‘Ace of Spades’ and Right Wing Blogosphere ‘Ethics’

In his feverish rush to smear LGF by any means possible, wingnut hateblogger Ace of Spades makes an accusation. (Amid a whole bunch of outright lies.)

I have to say this again: Charles Johnson had a bad reputation, even when he was nominally on the right, for simply stealing other bloggers’ finds. I really should contact one of the people ripped off by him to get him to write a post on this.

Well, this is very curious, because there’s a story behind this one that doesn’t end well for Ace of Spades.

Back in March of 2008, Steve Gilbert of the blog Sweetness and Light publicly accused me of stealing one of his stories — which I absolutely did not do. When I wrote to him and explained where I had gotten the story (readers tipped me to it, as often happens), he refused to believe me and threatened to “ruin my reputation” with other bloggers.

So I preemptively wrote emails to several other bloggers, including Ace of Spades, to explain the situation before Steve Gilbert could poison the well with false accusations. This is what I wrote:

… by the way, Steve Gilbert is tossing around some ridiculous threats to “ruin my reputation,” because he’s convinced that I stole a post of his — and it’s completely untrue. I never read his post, all the info came from LGF readers, and I can easily prove it if I have to.

Just in case he emails you about it.

CJ

And here’s the reply from Ace of Spades, openly admitting that he feels no compunction at all about stealing posts from Mr. Gilbert:

… For reasons I won’t bother you with I do not link him and if he has a good story or video I will swipe the link without crediting him.

I have reasons. He’s blackballed from my site, forever.

This is the kind of person who represents the right wing blogosphere: a rank hypocrite, who accuses others of the unethical acts he performs himself.

And because lying creeps like Ace of Spades will undoubtedly now try to claim I’m faking this, here are the full headers of the email, which I will supply to anyone who requests it.

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oh. Well. For reasons I won’t bother you with I do not link him and if he
has a good story or video I will swipe the link without crediting him.

I have reasons. He’s blackballed from my site, forever.

Two more points that probably should be answered, among all the shameless lies in “Ace of Spades’s” post.

First: “Ace of Spades” says that I used PayPal donation information to out the people at the stalker blog (a blog composed of people who were banned from LGF for various reasons, including supporting genocide among other lovely concepts).

This is a deliberate lie; they’re spreading the lie to try to damage my income from donations. I have never revealed information from PayPal, and I never will.

In fact, the stalkers even filed a complaint with PayPal last year to try to get my account shut down; PayPal dismissed the complaint as unfounded. Which it is.

All information that I used to identify these creepy obsessed individuals came from publicly available sources on the Internet, or from people who had the decency to inform me about them. Period. Any information you share with LGF through PayPal is absolutely kept private.

And what they fail to tell you is the reason why I outed these people — because they were sneaking repeatedly back in to LGF with sock puppet accounts, stealing large amounts of content from LGF and posting it at their blog, and even threatening my life on several occasions. The stalker blog has also had comments posted with threats against President Obama. Their web host once shut the site down for a short period, when their craziness got so bad it couldn’t be ignored. They now use a web host in another country with looser standards about acceptable behavior.

Those are the people I “outed,” and I’d do it again in a heartbeat. But I did not do it with PayPal information.

Second: “Ace of Spades” also claims that I tried to hog all the glory for the Dan Rather incident, another claim that is 100% false. I went out of my way to share credit with everyone else who helped move the story, over and over and over. In point of fact, my very first post about the Dan Rather documents gives full credit to Free Republic and Powerline. I’ve done this repeatedly throughout the years, and I have never claimed all the credit for myself.

The right wing blogosphere is inventing a weird series of alternate reality myths about me, based on blatant lies by deranged people, trying to literally destroy my reputation and my income. Stone the unfaithful monkey!

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521 comments

1 Donna Ballard  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 9:02:35am

Sounds like a case of extreme sour grapes to me. I hope he puckers up so hard his eyes cross permanently!

2 jamesfirecat  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 9:02:54am

Is LGF the only place on the web with Sane Republicans these days? Or am I just not looking hard enough? (Not that I've been looking very hard....)

3 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 9:04:27am

Ace goes down in flames. This needs to be circulated as widely as possible.

4 albusteve  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 9:05:22am

that's gonna leave a mark

5 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 9:05:33am

re: #2 jamesfirecat

Is LGF the only place on the web with Sane Republicans these days? Or am I just not looking hard enough? (Not that I've been looking very hard...)

FrumForum has them as well, although David Frum. like me, is a GOP party man.

6 Digital Display  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 9:05:43am

re: #2 jamesfirecat

Is LGF the only place on the web with Sane Republicans these days? Or am I just not looking hard enough? (Not that I've been looking very hard...)

Yes..We are here.. I emailed Charles my Award for being the Republican of the year.. There was a day you could win that by being a moderate...
not any more

7 albusteve  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 9:06:48am

"I was only joking"

8 jamesfirecat  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 9:10:13am

re: #5 Dark_Falcon

FrumForum has them as well, although David Frum. like me, is a GOP party man.

What exactly does "being a party man" entail?

You see I'm a democrat so I basically say whatever the hell I want. Trying to get democrats to vote all the same way is like herding cats, and if you don't believe me just look at how Healthcare reform played out under Obama....

9 Targetpractice  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 9:10:25am

re: #7 albusteve

"I was only joking"

After that little tirade, I don't think he's going to back down. Buckle your seatbelt and grab your popcorn, because things are about to get "interesting."

10 albusteve  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 9:10:36am

"Charles, the hater, once again sullies my words out of context"

11 albusteve  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 9:13:00am

re: #8 jamesfirecat

What exactly does "being a party man" entail?

You see I'm a democrat so I basically say whatever the hell I want. Trying to get democrats to vote all the same way is like herding cats, and if you don't believe me just look at how Healthcare reform played out under Obama...

exactly...the bill is so bad, even some donks didn't want to vote for it...perfectly reasonable tho when you offer a senator a billion dollar rebate at the expense of the taxpayers...there are a few smart democrats

12 lostlakehiker  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 9:14:06am

All Steve Gilbert needs to know, he should have learned in kindergarten.

If you live in a glass house, don't throw stones.

Words once flown cannot be called back.

13 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 9:14:53am

And one more point -- this asshole also claims that I tried to hog all the glory for the Dan Rather incident, and that is also absolutely 100% false. I went out of my way to share the credit with everyone else who helped move the story, over and over and over. There are many posts on the subject in which I credit Buckhead at FR for originally noticing the problems, and Powerline for being the place where I learned about it. I've done this repeatedly throughout the years, and I have never claimed all the credit for myself.

Ace of Spades is just flat out lying.

14 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 9:20:48am

re: #8 jamesfirecat

What exactly does "being a party man" entail?

You see I'm a democrat so I basically say whatever the hell I want. Trying to get democrats to vote all the same way is like herding cats, and if you don't believe me just look at how Healthcare reform played out under Obama...

Being a party man in this case means that you'll criticize the party in an attempt to reform it, but you're not going to leave it. It also means that when the time comes to actually donate and vote, you give the money and votes to your party.

15 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 9:21:38am

He also says that I used PayPal donation information to out the people at the stalker blog -- and this is another outright lie. I have never done this, and I never will do this.

All information that I used to identify these creepy obsessed individuals came from publicly available sources on the Internet, or from people who had the decency to inform me about them. Period. Any information you share with LGF through PayPal is absolutely kept private.

They're spreading this lie, of course, in an attempt to damage my income from donations.

16 avanti  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 9:25:27am

re: #15 Charles

He also says that I used PayPal donation information to out the people at the stalker blog -- and this is another outright lie. I have never done this, and I never will do this.

All information that I used to identify these creepy obsessed individuals came from publicly available sources on the Internet, or from people who had the decency to inform me about them. Period. Any information you share with LGF through PayPal is absolutely kept private.

They're spreading this lie, of course, in an attempt to damage my income from donations.

You have all my PayPal info and are free to use it to drop in and chat if you are ever in the DC area, just bring beer.

17 The Curmudgeon  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 9:26:45am

This whole thing is weird. Bloggers in a specialized subject area will all pretty much write about the same subjects and the same news. The blogosphere is big, but the more specialized the subject, the smaller will be the group of active bloggers. We usually mention where we first saw some bit of material. It's not only courteous, it encourages reciprocal behavior. Genuine scoops are rare, and creeps who steal material without attribution are also rare.

18 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 9:29:11am

My very first post about the Dan Rather documents gives full credit to Buckhead at Free Republic and Powerline:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

19 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 9:29:36am

re: #17 The Curmudgeon

This whole thing is weird. Bloggers in a specialized subject area will all pretty much write about the same subjects and the same news. The blogosphere is big, but the more specialized the subject, the smaller will be the group of active bloggers. We usually mention where we first saw some bit of material. It's not only courteous, it encourages reciprocal behavior. Genuine scoops are rare, and creeps who steal material without attribution are also rare.

You're one of the good ones, C. Ace has turned into a skunk whose anger rules him.

20 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 9:31:16am

re: #17 The Curmudgeon

...and creeps who steal material without attribution are also rare.

Not so rare in the right wing blogosphere. Quite a few of them ran the Reuters cropping story without crediting LGF.

21 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 9:33:21am

re: #20 Charles

Not so rare in the right wing blogosphere. Quite a few of them ran the Reuters cropping story without crediting LGF.

I went and read that article over at AOS, and he/she certainly makes a lot of claims without backing anything up with facts or links or some something more than what appears to be his spin on the issues. Makes him look really weak... I hope his readers recognize this.

22 Digital Display  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 9:36:12am

Charles: Stanley is the news
[Link: www.indystar.com...]

23 Targetpractice  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 9:36:59am

re: #21 Walter L. Newton

I went and read that article over at AOS, and he/she certainly makes a lot of claims without backing anything up with facts or links or some something more than what appears to be his spin on the issues. Makes him look really weak... I hope his readers recognize this.

Read the comments to the article. His readers are taking turns shitting on LGF and Charles and trading high-fives. This isn't something that just came out of the blue, these assholes have been harboring this grudge for a long time now, pissed off that LGF isn't there helping to lead the ODS charge. That facts and logic are winning out over conspiracy theories and a drive to paint Obama as the anti-Christ. Basically the Right has become every bit as noxious and asinine as the Left was during the Bush years.

I wish I could say I'm surprised, but I'm not.

24 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 9:37:32am

What's a header? What do all those letters and numbers mean?

25 KDS1  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 9:38:36am

re: #18 Charles

My very first post about the Dan Rather documents gives full credit to Buckhead at Free Republic and Powerline:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

You don't need to convince us, we are already convinced.

26 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 9:38:56am

re: #23 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

[snip]
Basically the Right has become every bit as noxious and asinine as the Left was during the Bush years.
[snip]

I never saw the left doing anything like this.

27 SpaceJesus  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 9:40:51am

cue a tirade of juvenile "pony tail + jazz + lol gay people" "jokes" over at that shithole in about 5 minutes.

28 Digital Display  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 9:43:35am

re: #24 MandyManners

What's a header? What do all those letters and numbers mean?

It is packet routing information...Each Internet packet has a header to direct it properly to the right server.. If you are sending hundreds of packets the reason they all get home is because of the header

29 Targetpractice  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 9:43:47am

re: #26 Walter L. Newton

I never saw the left doing anything like this.

"Anything like" what? Attacking those who aren't "true Scotsmen"? Or buying into the latest conspiracy theories and outright lies in order to bring down a president they disagree with?

30 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 9:44:05am

re: #23 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Indeed. On the last thread someone linked to this excellent article Israel, the World's 'Dirty Harry' (Whoever posted it please speak up so i can upding you again for the great link). However, the comment revealed minds gone completely around the bend. Here a really bad one:

Posted by: BondSteel
Jun 10, 04:23 AM
A very good article but Mr. Filozof misses one very important point: Obama is a Liberal Socialist. Chistians and Jews are BOTH looked upon as distractions, by Obama and his ilk. Both are to be villified, condemned and if at all possible...eliminated!

Barack Hussein Obama (mmm mmm mmm) has nothing but disdain and disgust for Jews and Israel. Oh, he loves all that Jewish money contributed to support Liberal Socialist Democrats and Liberal Socialist causes, but deep down he despises Jews and Israeli Jews as well. He has made this point over and over and if he could openly say it, he would in a New York minute!

Liberal Socialists, like their National Socialist cousins, have no use for Jews. Never did! Both political systems do however, actively embrace Islam as it is the antithesis of Judaism. Sadly, if Liberal Socialism EVER is able to completly dominate the political landscape in our nation, it will rapidly morph into National Socialism, complete with camps, goon squads and death chambers to accommodate death panels! Socialism ALWAYS does this, and our homegrown Liberal Socialism is no different in the overall scheme of things to come.

That's why Obama supports our contry's mortal enemies and denounces our country's only friend in the Middle East. It's a Jewish thing, that regretably, American Jews are blinded to.

31 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 9:44:33am

re: #26 Walter L. Newton

I never saw the left doing anything like this.

No, they were much worse...Bush = Hitler, Bush is a Nazi, Betray Us, etc...we got 8 solid years of that from the left-wing blogs.

32 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 9:46:33am

re: #28 HoosierHoops

It is packet routing information...Each Internet packet has a header to direct it properly to the right server.. If you are sending hundreds of packets the reason they all get home is because of the header

So, it's the address. Thanks.

33 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 9:48:20am

Top US senators: Obama, stand by Israel


WASHINGTON – The top two US senators are urging President Barack Obama to stand by Israel in the face of recent global pressure following the lethal raid on the Gaza-bound Marmara ship.

Democratic Majority Leader Harry Reid and Republican Minority Leader Mitch McConnell wrote a letter to the President, urging him to show strong support for Israel in international bodies, insist on the Jewish State's right for self-defense, and look into the terror connections of the Turkish organization that led the violent Gaza sail.

The letter constitutes a clear message to Obama, letting him know that both Democratic and Republican senators are united in their objection to an international probe of the sail, as well as any changes to the Gaza blockade policy.

The top senators will be circulating the letter among the other senators in a move expected to be completed by Wednesday, when the document will be handed over to the president.

Now that's what I call bipartisanship!

34 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 9:49:09am

re: #29 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

"Anything like" what? Attacking those who aren't "true Scotsmen"? Or buying into the latest conspiracy theories and outright lies in order to bring down a president they disagree with?

All of the above.

35 KDS1  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 9:49:31am

re: #33 NJDhockeyfan

Top US senators: Obama, stand by Israel

Now that's what I call bipartisanship!

I just call it being sane.

36 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 9:50:53am

re: #31 NJDhockeyfan

No, they were much worse...Bush = Hitler, Bush is a Nazi, Betray Us, etc...we got 8 solid years of that from the left-wing blogs.

I think Walter is being sarcastic again.

37 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 9:53:41am

re: #36 Dark_Falcon

I think Walter is being sarcastic again.

What was your first clue?

38 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 9:54:27am

re: #33 NJDhockeyfan

Top US senators: Obama, stand by Israel

Now that's what I call bipartisanship!

That is good news and it strikes exactly the right tone: It urges the president to take action while not accusing him of anything. Hopefully, this puts paid to any idea that Obama is going to OK a UN dominated investigation. He didn't favor that anyway, but hopefully now people will stop speculating.

39 Targetpractice  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 9:54:46am

re: #37 Walter L. Newton

What was your first clue?

Well, the "/'s" help, because I almost engaged in friendly-fire.

40 Thaara  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 9:56:30am

I love your place Charles...Keep up the great job you are doing...:)

41 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 9:56:34am

re: #37 Walter L. Newton

What was your first clue?

The way you made your initial comment was the same as on the last thread. It looks sincere, but those who know you should be able to pick up on it. I say should because I miss it at times. I'm literal-minded, so sometimes sarcasm gets past me.

42 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 9:56:47am

re: #39 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Well, the "/'s" help, because I almost engaged in friendly-fire.

The "/" is against my "religion."

43 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 9:57:44am

re: #37 Walter L. Newton

What was your first clue?

Damn, you got me.

:)

44 Targetpractice  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:00:07am

re: #42 Walter L. Newton

The "/" is against my "religion."

Right. Well, being a deist, I don't have that excuse, as religion is...er, against my religion.

Or something like that.

45 Digital Display  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:01:35am

30 minutes until England vs. USA in the World Cup..
If Soccer is ever going to be popular here we need to change the Format..
We need tons of Beer and pizza ads during the game.. And never..and I mean never end in a tie.. I don't care if you have to go all rugby on us in OT.. No ties.
It's the only way to get us guys to talk around the water cooler in the morning..

46 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:02:30am

Ot - it's snowing 30-40 miles west of here... it's 39 degrees (f) here at 8200 feet and raining and down hill in Denver, there are heavy rains and thunder storms... on June 12th. It must be the end of the world.

47 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:03:01am

Germany Wants Alleged Mossad Agent Turned Over By Polish Police

Germany is seeking the extradition of an alleged Mossad agent, arrested in Poland last week on suspicion of participating in a plot to kill a senior Hamas official in Dubai, a spokesman for the Federal Prosecutor said.

Police in Warsaw on June 4 or June 5 apprehended a man reportedly known as Uri Brodsky, who was taken into custody under a European arrest warrant issued by Germany, spokesman Andreas Christeleit said today by phone from the Karlsruhe-based Federal Prosecutor’s office.

Prosecutors allege that Brodsky used a stay in Germany to help a fellow Mossad agent obtain a German passport to enter Dubai and assist in the murder of Mahmoud al-Mabhouh. Al- Mabhouh, a founder of the armed wing of Hamas, was killed in Dubai in January.

Polish police spokesman Mariusz Sokolowski in Warsaw said in a telephone interview that he couldn’t immediately confirm or deny the arrest and would first need to make inquiries.

48 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:03:30am

re: #38 Dark_Falcon

That is good news and it strikes exactly the right tone: It urges the president to take action while not accusing him of anything. Hopefully, this puts paid to any idea that Obama is going to OK a UN dominated investigation. He didn't favor that anyway, but hopefully now people will stop speculating.

How do you know that?

49 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:03:47am

And to the Stalker Blog, for ignoring the evidence Charles has presented and instead continuing to fling cheap insults, I offer the following music tribute:

50 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:05:55am

re: #48 MandyManners

How do you know that?

Charles posted a statement from the White House to that effect yesterday, a statement that disputed an article from the Weekly Standard. And nothing Obama has said has indicated he's willing to let the UN take the lead.

51 Targetpractice  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:07:09am

re: #30 Dark_Falcon

Indeed. On the last thread someone linked to this excellent article Israel, the World's 'Dirty Harry' (Whoever posted it please speak up so i can upding you again for the great link). However, the comment revealed minds gone completely around the bend. Here a really bad one:

Back in the day, we'd get posts like that here, from the random nutbar who signed on thinking he'd find a ready choir waiting for his preaching. They all pretty much found that we weren't buying what they were selling and either moved on, moderated themselves, or ended up getting circular-filed. But now, when the drive to tar and feather Obama is overriding common sense, these nutbars are finding plenty of converts, people willing to believe anything that paints the man in a bad light. Politics may make for strange bedfellows, but it seems ODS has made for a veritable orgy of stupidity amongst the Far-Right.

52 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:08:49am

re: #47 NJDhockeyfan

Germany Wants Alleged Mossad Agent Turned Over By Polish Police

You'd think the world would be kissing Israel's ass for taking out that bastard. Instead, Germany's wanting to take Israel to task for protecting itself?

53 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:09:29am

re: #48 MandyManners

How do you know that?

The WhiteHouse specifically said they favor an "Israeli-led" investigation. The claim that they're going to call for an international investigation led by the UN is completely false.

54 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:11:37am

re: #50 Dark_Falcon

Charles posted a statement from the White House to that effect yesterday, a statement that disputed an article from the Weekly Standard. And nothing Obama has said has indicated he's willing to let the UN take the lead.

The administration's initial response had me concerned.

55 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:11:58am

re: #53 Charles

The WhiteHouse specifically said they favor an "Israeli-led" investigation. The claim that they're going to call for an international investigation led by the UN is completely false.

I would hope so!

56 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:13:58am

re: #51 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Back in the day, we'd get posts like that here, from the random nutbar who signed on thinking he'd find a ready choir waiting for his preaching. They all pretty much found that we weren't buying what they were selling and either moved on, moderated themselves, or ended up getting circular-filed. But now, when the drive to tar and feather Obama is overriding common sense, these nutbars are finding plenty of converts, people willing to believe anything that paints the man in a bad light. Politics may make for strange bedfellows, but it seems ODS has made for a veritable orgy of stupidity amongst the Far-Right.

Quite Concur.

57 Cato the Elder  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:14:33am

re: #53 Charles

The WhiteHouse specifically said they favor an "Israeli-led" investigation. The claim that they're going to call for an international investigation led by the UN is completely false.

Hasn't stopped two of my Facebook friends from reposting the Weekly Standard article, or making excuses for Bill Kristol after I pointed out that it's a lie.

58 KDS1  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:15:35am

And this is what you get when it takes you a year to inflict poor sanctions:

[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

This is the weakest round of sanctions, and it wasn't even unanimously(12 out of 15 voted for the sanctions)...

59 Nimed  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:15:36am

'Tea party' candidates hurt by lack of organization in movement


The polls hadn't even closed Tuesday when "tea party" activists in Nevada started sniping at one another over whether Sharron Angle, the soon-to-be Republican nominee for U.S. Senate, was the best candidate to bring down Senate Majority Leader Harry M. Reid.

The national tea party movement has never had a central organization or single leader; in fact, it has boasted the opposite. But Tuesday's primary results provided fresh evidence of the amorphous network's struggle to convert activist anger and energy into winning results. Frustrated and lacking agreement on what to do next, self-identified tea party leaders say the movement may be in danger of breaking apart before it ever really comes together.(...)

Ladies and gents, the beginning of the end. Teabaggers are finally realizing that they don't have anything resembling a coherent common cause.

60 Nimed  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:19:00am

re: #45 HoosierHoops

30 minutes until England vs. USA in the World Cup..
If Soccer is ever going to be popular here we need to change the Format..
We need tons of Beer and pizza ads during the game.. And never..and I mean never end in a tie.. I don't care if you have to go all rugby on us in OT.. No ties.
It's the only way to get us guys to talk around the water cooler in the morning..

Isn't it at 2:30 ET?

61 CuriousLurker  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:19:01am

re: #15 Charles

...Any information you share with LGF through PayPal is absolutely kept private.

They're spreading this lie, of course, in an attempt to damage my income from donations.

Hmm, I usually only donate to disaster relief efforts and such, but I'll make an exception in this case just to prove that that particular strategy isn't going to work. The dogs bark, but the caravan moves on.

62 Nekama  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:19:41am

Charles wrote: "This is the kind of person who represents the right wing blogosphere"

Charles, what are the criteria for being a representative of one side or another?

Does Code Pink represent the left wing blogosphere?

63 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:20:04am

re: #62 Nekama

CPAC Blogger of the Year 2008.

64 Cato the Elder  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:20:36am

Headline:

Right-wing bloggers pull a Reuters, get spanked, whinge.

65 Targetpractice  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:21:02am

re: #59 Nimed

'Tea party' candidates hurt by lack of organization in movement

The polls hadn't even closed Tuesday when "tea party" activists in Nevada started sniping at one another over whether Sharron Angle, the soon-to-be Republican nominee for U.S. Senate, was the best candidate to bring down Senate Majority Leader Harry M. Reid.

The national tea party movement has never had a central organization or single leader; in fact, it has boasted the opposite. But Tuesday's primary results provided fresh evidence of the amorphous network's struggle to convert activist anger and energy into winning results. Frustrated and lacking agreement on what to do next, self-identified tea party leaders say the movement may be in danger of breaking apart before it ever really comes together.(...)

Ladies and gents, the beginning of the end. Teabaggers are finally realizing that they don't have anything resembling a coherent common cause.

I like to think the Tea Party movement started out as people really, honestly angry with the government and fed up with the "answers" they were being given. But along the way, like many such fledgling movements, they got co-opted by people with their own goals and ambitions and turned into yet another "big tent" under which those who were lacking a pulpit and an audience gathered to fleece the ignorant and the naive. It happened with the "anti-war movement," with everybody from MoveOn to ANSWER using Bush-hatred to fleece the useful idiots of their money and gain temporary prominence.

66 Bob Dillon  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:21:40am

re: #32 MandyManners

So, it's the address. Thanks.

It's also the absolute address. 123 Main Street could be identified in many cities and towns. All the right address, sort of. Add the GPS coordinates (latitude and longitude) to it and only one is distinct from all the others on the planet. That is what all the additional stuff you see has in it.

67 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:23:00am

The progs running San Francisco offered a resolution the other day...

Two San Francisco Supervisors are proposing a non-binding resolution condemning the Israeli military's actions on a Gaza bound boat that left 9 pro-Palestinian activists dead.

But some members of the board don't want to take sides.

The non binding resolution was introduced by Supervisors John Avalos and Sophie Maxwell after pro-Palestinian activists showed up at this week's meeting and urged the Board to take a stand against Israel.

I request the Board of Supervisors adopt a resolution expressing the sadness and outrage over the action of the Israeli military and government,” said Avalos.

The resolution condemns Israel's attack on the Freedom Flotilla that resulted in the death of at least nine people and urges the President to seek an end to the Gaza boycott. Supervisor Sean Elsbernd wants no part of it.

“The U.N., I don’t think has even figured out what exactly has happened, but the Board of Supervisors is going to? This is a little bit beyond our scope,” said Elsbernd.

Other supervisors are actively avoiding comment wishing that the resolution would just go away and angry that they're being asked to take sides in a matter far afield from their legislative reach.

Take sides? Wouldn't want to do that!

///

68 cliffster  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:24:12am

Just pulled up LGF real quick while I'm doing things around the house, and I read one of the longest posts I've ever seen the host write. This shit is so stupid. Seriously, like children screeching. I don't get it. Sorry Charles.

69 Cato the Elder  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:24:27am

re: #45 HoosierHoops

30 minutes until England vs. USA in the World Cup..
If Soccer is ever going to be popular here we need to change the Format..
We need tons of Beer and pizza ads during the game.. And never..and I mean never end in a tie.. I don't care if you have to go all rugby on us in OT.. No ties.
It's the only way to get us guys to talk around the water cooler in the morning..

Why no ties? Because in Murka there must always be a winner?

Sometimes in life there is no clear victor. As in, say, Afghanistan...

70 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:24:56am

re: #66 Bobibutu

It's also the absolute address. 123 Main Street could be identified in many cities and towns. All the right address, sort of. Add the GPS coordinates (latitude and longitude) to it and only one is distinct from all the others on the planet. That is what all the additional stuff you see has in it.

So, it's 123 Main Street Cherry Hills Village, CO 80110?

71 Nekama  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:25:19am

re: #54 MandyManners

The administration's initial response had me concerned.

Hillary Clinton On Gaza Incident: US Supports UN's Condemnation

This administration's treatment of Israel - witness the NPT and outrageous outrage about merely building homes in Jerusalem! - has been horrific.

72 cliffster  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:26:05am

re: #66 Bobibutu

It's also the absolute address. 123 Main Street could be identified in many cities and towns. All the right address, sort of. Add the GPS coordinates (latitude and longitude) to it and only one is distinct from all the others on the planet. That is what all the additional stuff you see has in it.

that doesn't identify which planet..

73 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:26:37am

re: #71 Nekama

Hillary Clinton On Gaza Incident: US Supports UN's Condemnation

This administration's treatment of Israel - witness the NPT and outrageous outrage about merely building homes in Jerusalem! - has been horrific.

And silence over the naming of the PA public square after a terrorist.

74 Cato the Elder  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:26:45am

re: #65 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I like to think the Tea Party movement started out as people really, honestly angry with the government and fed up with the "answers" they were being given. But along the way, like many such fledgling movements, they got co-opted by people with their own goals and ambitions and turned into yet another "big tent" under which those who were lacking a pulpit and an audience gathered to fleece the ignorant and the naive. It happened with the "anti-war movement," with everybody from MoveOn to ANSWER using Bush-hatred to fleece the useful idiots of their money and gain temporary prominence.

You'd like to think that, wouldn't you?

But in fact the teabaggers got started because certain people could not accept the results of the 2008 election. It was a totally manufactured movement from the very beginning.

Tea Party™.

75 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:27:08am

re: #72 cliffster

that doesn't identify which planet..

123 Main Street Cherry Hills Village, CO 80110 Earth.

Better?

76 wrenchwench  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:27:42am

The sentence that Ace wrote that end with "bitch" shows what it's all about for him. He's jealous. He can't write. Seems his thinking isn't very sharp either. Poor bastard.

77 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:27:48am

re: #74 Cato the Elder

You'd like to think that, wouldn't you?

But in fact the teabaggers got started because certain people could not accept the results of the 2008 election. It was a totally manufactured movement from the very beginning.

Tea Party™.

Anything like MoveOn.org?

78 bloodnok  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:27:51am

re: #68 cliffster

Just pulled up LGF real quick while I'm doing things around the house, and I read one of the longest posts I've ever seen the host write. This shit is so stupid. Seriously, like children screeching. I don't get it. Sorry Charles.

If your name and income were tied to a site you might think about things like this differently. Just sayin'.

79 Bob Dillon  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:27:57am

re: #70 MandyManners

So, it's 123 Main Street Cherry Hills Village, CO 80110?

Yes, that makes it unique - altho the USPS still manages to still screw it up occasionally. I prefer GPS. ;-)

80 Targetpractice  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:29:06am

re: #74 Cato the Elder

You'd like to think that, wouldn't you?

But in fact the teabaggers got started because certain people could not accept the results of the 2008 election. It was a totally manufactured movement from the very beginning.

Tea Party™.

I like to indulge in a little optimism occasionally. I even flirted with the idea, once upon a time, of going to one of the rallies just to see what was what. In retrospect, I'm glad I didn't, because it seems that there's a special brand of lunacy running rampant amongst that crowd.

81 cliffster  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:29:10am

re: #68 cliffster

re: #78 bloodnok

If your name and income were tied to a site you might think about things like this differently. Just sayin'.

ok, allow me to change my wording. The shit he is describing those jackasses doing is childish and stupid, and I'm sorry Charles gets put into the middle of it. Better?

82 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:29:17am

re: #71 Nekama

Hillary Clinton On Gaza Incident: US Supports UN's Condemnation

This administration's treatment of Israel - witness the NPT and outrageous outrage about merely building homes in Jerusalem! - has been horrific.

They have not done well vis-a-vis the West Bank, but if they hold firm on this investigation issue I'd call it partial atonement.

83 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:29:24am

re: #73 MandyManners

And silence over the naming of the PA public square after a terrorist.

I don't recall GW Bush ever condemning Palestinians naming streets after terrorists either.

84 Bob Dillon  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:29:57am

re: #72 cliffster

that doesn't identify which planet..

Ha!

85 bloodnok  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:30:03am

re: #81 cliffster

re: #78 bloodnok

ok, allow me to change my wording. The shit he is describing those jackasses doing is childish and stupid, and I'm sorry Charles gets put into the middle of it. Better?

If I misread I apologize.

86 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:30:09am

re: #73 MandyManners

And silence over the naming of the PA public square after a terrorist.

Someone might get offended. Can't have any of that.

87 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:30:10am

re: #81 cliffster

re: #78 bloodnok

ok, allow me to change my wording. The shit he is describing those jackasses doing is childish and stupid, and I'm sorry Charles gets put into the middle of it. Better?

Much better.

88 cliffster  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:30:29am

re: #75 MandyManners

123 Main Street Cherry Hills Village, CO 80110 Earth.

Better?

yes - I'll be there in a few hours.

89 Cato the Elder  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:30:58am

re: #77 MandyManners

Anything like MoveOn.org?

Not really. That was started by a married couple over breakfast.

90 cliffster  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:31:26am

re: #85 bloodnok

If I misread I apologize.

If you misread then I miswrote. Thanks for pointing out the poor description of my feelings.

91 Targetpractice  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:31:57am

re: #83 Charles

I don't recall GW Bush ever condemning Palestinians naming streets after terrorists either.

For all his good points during the War on Terror, one thing Bush apparently could never bring himself to do was admit that terrorist groups like Hamas and Fatah, amongst others, were the reason that his "Roadmap to Peace" ultimately led nowhere. And it seems that Obama is just as eager to believe that he will succeed where past administrations have failed in finally bringing "peace" between the Israelis and Palestinians while keeping the groups fomenting the hate alive and well.

92 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:32:04am

re: #83 Charles

I don't recall GW Bush ever condemning Palestinians naming streets after terrorists either.

True, but he should have. At the very least, we shouldn't be pushing Israel to make concessions for peace while the Palis are applauding terrorism and murder. All we get for that is to look like asshole idiots.

93 Nekama  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:32:07am

re: #73 MandyManners

And silence over the naming of the PA public square after a terrorist.

The list is endless. One of the easiest things to monitor is Palestinian incitement - you'd think Obama never heard of Palestinian Media Watch - and the easiest thing for them to change. Charles used to post about their hideous indoctrination of children and portrayals of blood libel.

Yet you seldom hear a peep from this administration, and sadly, from this blog.

94 Cato the Elder  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:32:18am

re: #68 cliffster

Just pulled up LGF real quick while I'm doing things around the house, and I read one of the longest posts I've ever seen the host write. This shit is so stupid. Seriously, like children screeching. I don't get it. Sorry Charles.

So you think Charles is "screeching" and should just let people like the ones at Snot Air trash his rep?

95 cliffster  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:33:03am

re: #94 Cato the Elder

So you think Charles is "screeching" and should just let people like the ones at Snot Air trash his rep?

Yes. I mean no. Read further down the thread, you grouch.

96 Nimed  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:34:20am

re: #53 Charles

The WhiteHouse specifically said they favor an "Israeli-led" investigation. The claim that they're going to call for an international investigation led by the UN is completely false.

Let's hope Netanyahu & Co. appreciate Obama's and our Congress support on this (for which the U.S. pays a price in the international community), and that future blunders like what happened during the Biden visit can be avoided. Friendship is a 2 way street, Bibi.

97 Cato the Elder  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:35:21am

Limbaugh: "Oil Spill Is Obama's 'Bay Of Rigs'."

That's right, you porky dick, the president put the Deepwater Horizon there with his own two hands.

98 Nekama  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:35:33am

re: #83 Charles

I don't recall GW Bush ever condemning Palestinians naming streets after terrorists either.

I don't recall GW Bush ever having his SoS excoriate Israel's Prime Minister - for 47 minutes! - for some idiot low level minister announcing just one of a series of steps that might someday lead to construction in Jerusalem, Israel's capital.

So what GW Bush did is the standard? You'd never let him get away with blaming Clinton.

99 ryannon  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:36:00am

Tariq Ramadan is being interviewed on a French talk-show, and everyone's lapping it up like cream.

He's certainly a smooth operator.

100 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:36:41am

Hello from the NBA Finals in Boston, where the rain is pouring down. Today is the first anniversary of the iranian sham election where the mullahs responded to calls for freedom with the most brutal repression imaginable. I really wish our President would take a moment to mark this occasion and speak out on behalf of those brave Iranians who are imprisoned because they simply want their country to be free. If our President does not feel this occasion is worthy of his attention, that is truly a shame.

101 OldnGrumpy  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:36:45am

Being both old and grumpy maybe my memory isn't what it once was,but...

When I regulary frequented LGF(under a different pseudonym) back in the "Throbbing memo" and Reuters' retouched Beirut photo days Charles was
subjected to these same sort of attacks.

Those attacks didn't amount to anything then and LGF will keep exposing lies,socialism and injustice as it always has.

Stick to your guns Charles,as with dysentary,this too shall pass.

TS

102 KDS1  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:37:16am

re: #91 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

For all his good points during the War on Terror, one thing Bush apparently could never bring himself to do was admit that terrorist groups like Hamas and Fatah, amongst others, were the reason that his "Roadmap to Peace" ultimately led nowhere. And it seems that Obama is just as eager to believe that he will succeed where past administrations have failed in finally bringing "peace" between the Israelis and Palestinians while keeping the groups fomenting the hate alive and well.

The big problem is that Obama thinks the right way is to "embrace" the islamic world, also by overlooking dangerous actions and aspirations made by the arab-muslim world. The arab world is used to lead and to be led by power and oppresion. Now, that Obama is loosing the strap, they feel like there is no grown up to tell them what to do.

103 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:37:39am

OT - You'll know what's in the bill after we pass it... so true...

"Keep Your Health Plan Under Overhaul? Probably Not, Gov't Analysis Concludes"

[Link: www.investors.com...]

Congress... pack of lying fuck offs...

104 Varek Raith  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:40:16am

Ahem.
Fuck you, Ace of Spades.

105 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:40:31am

re: #93 Nekama

The list is endless. One of the easiest things to monitor is Palestinian incitement - you'd think Obama never heard of Palestinian Media Watch - and the easiest thing for them to change. Charles used to post about their hideous indoctrination of children and portrayals of blood libel.

Yet you seldom hear a peep from this administration, and sadly, from this blog.

A great deal of what the Palis have been saying has been posted here, Nekama. And Charles has been solidly in Israel's corner. I also want to thank you once again for your magnificent Troll Hammer. It has proven most useful in pounding some seriously toxic trolls we've had here as of late.

106 Nekama  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:41:41am

re: #102 KDS1

The arab world is used to lead and to be led by power and oppresion. Now, that Obama is loosing the strap, they feel like there is no grown up to tell them what to do.

Iran and Turkey will be more than happy to take up the mantle that Obama is determined to drop.

107 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:42:04am

re: #103 Walter L. Newton

OT - You'll know what's in the bill after we pass it... so true...

"Keep Your Health Plan Under Overhaul? Probably Not, Gov't Analysis Concludes"

[Link: www.investors.com...]

Congress... pack of lying fuck offs...


Death Panels!
Who's really lying?

108 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:42:15am

re: #104 Varek Raith

Ahem.
Fuck you, Ace of Spades.

Varek, the logic of Ace is so out-of-this-world I think he's gone to another planet. When we find Planet Ace, would you be so kind as to treat said planet to a Death Star Demonstration?

109 KDS1  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:43:41am

re: #106 Nekama

This mantle?

Image: darth-vader-costume.jpg

110 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:45:11am

re: #109 KDS1

This mantle?

Image: darth-vader-costume.jpg

I thought that was Varek Raith's mantle. :D

111 Cato the Elder  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:45:25am

re: #101 OldnGrumpy

Interesting. Who were you in your past incarnation, and why did you change your nick?

113 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:45:42am

re: #31 NJDhockeyfan

No, they were much worse...Bush = Hitler, Bush is a Nazi, Betray Us, etc...we got 8 solid years of that from the left-wing blogs.

You feel that isn't being matched by the right-wing blogs currently?

114 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:45:50am

re: #107 Killgore Trout

Death Panels!
Who's really lying?

Where did you read about death panels in that article? And I never claimed otherwise about stupid GOP grandstanding on the health care issue. So, I'm not sure what you are referring to, unless you are presenting a "they did it too" position.

Anyway... it seems this article is pointing out that the promise of retaining you current coverage is not a secure as first imagined.

We'll see, won't we?

115 ryannon  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:45:59am

Signs and portents: Nekema posting at LGF again.

116 Targetpractice  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:46:33am

re: #102 KDS1

The big problem is that Obama thinks the right way is to "embrace" the islamic world, also by overlooking dangerous actions and aspirations made by the arab-muslim world. The arab world is used to lead and to be led by power and oppresion. Now, that Obama is loosing the strap, they feel like there is no grown up to tell them what to do.

Personally, I see Obama trying to play up the "Not-Bush" angle, thinking that "building bridges" and "hitting the reset button" means overturning everything that Bush accomplished and refraining from utilizing the methods he did to create and cement past alliances. He's trying to take the iron out of the glove, believing like many of Bush's critics that the reason America faces so much animosity is not due to differences in ideology, but due to anger over America's past "misdeeds" and fear of future ones.

Or, long story short, he thinks that the opposite to being Bush is being a pushover.

117 albusteve  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:47:21am

re: #114 Walter L. Newton

Where did you read about death panels in that article? And I never claimed otherwise about stupid GOP grandstanding on the health care issue. So, I'm not sure what you are referring to, unless you are presenting a "they did it too" position.

Anyway... it seems this article is pointing out that the promise of retaining you current coverage is not a secure as first imagined.

We'll see, won't we?

it isn't and it never was....fluff for the masses

118 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:48:12am

re: #107 Killgore Trout

Death Panels!
Who's really lying?

And by the way... sincerely... thanks for responding.

119 ryannon  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:48:24am

re: #115 ryannon

Signs and portents: Nekema posting at LGF again.

PIMF: Nekama

120 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:48:40am

re: #114 Walter L. Newton

My point is that the article probably isn't true. Critics of healthcare reform have been absurdly dishonest so far and I don't think that's changed. That article is probably not true.

121 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:48:43am

re: #115 ryannon

Signs and portents: Nekema posting at LGF again.

Wit the troll attacks we've suffered as of late, we have need of him. For dealing with these anti-Israel trolls, he's our Excalibur, returning when most needed.

123 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:50:17am

re: #120 Killgore Trout

My point is that the article probably isn't true. Critics of healthcare reform have been absurdly dishonest so far and I don't think that's changed. That article is probably not true.

Understood now... The Washington Post probably is running a false article too...

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

124 albusteve  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:50:51am

re: #120 Killgore Trout

My point is that the article probably isn't true. Critics of healthcare reform have been absurdly dishonest so far and I don't think that's changed. That article is probably not true.

of course it's true....the cost of health care will skyrocket, it has for you already...who's gonna care for an extra 30m people in the system?...imported doctors and nurses?

125 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:51:22am

On the matter of Israel, here's another good Victor Davis Hanson article on the subject:

Helen Thomas, Turkey, and the Liberation of Israel

It is hard to become much more influential than the doyen of the White House press corps, who is given a ceremonial front-rows seat at press briefings and press conferences. So when Helen Thomas suggested that the Israelis should leave their country and “go home” to Poland and Germany, this was not some obscure, eccentric anti-Semite, but a liberal insider who has come to enjoy iconic status and a sense of exemption from criticism.

Note that Ms. Thomas did not call for just a West Bank free of Jews. And she did not just wish for the elimination of the nation of Israel itself. Rather, Thomas envisions the departure of Israelis to the sites of the major death camps seven decades ago where six million Jews were gassed.

Turkey’s role in aiding and abetting the flotilla, and its subsequent anti-Israeli outbursts, were excessive even by the often sick standards of the Middle East — but not exactly new. State-run Turkish television has aired virulent anti-Semitic dramas like the 2006 Valley of the Wolves, in which a Jewish doctor harvests organs from captured Iraqi civilians. Former Turkish prime minister Necmettin Erbakan once claimed that the Jews had instigated World War I in order to create Israel. Israel, Erbakan further asserted, in full-blown Hitlerian prose, was a “disease” and a “bacteria” that needed to be eradicated. The current prime minister, Recep Tayyip Erdogan, talks of sending in the Turkish fleet to confront the Israeli blockade, says he is sick of Israeli lies, and warns that his new Turkey is not “a young and rootless nation,” as Israel presumably is (note the code word “rootless”). So speaks our NATO partner and EU wannabe. This week, in reaction to criticism from the West, Erdogan labeled such concerns “dirty propaganda” — note well, not just propaganda but a “dirty” sort.

Read the whole thing, it's worth it.

126 KDS1  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:51:31am

re: #116 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Personally, I see Obama trying to play up the "Not-Bush" angle, thinking that "building bridges" and "hitting the reset button" means overturning everything that Bush accomplished and refraining from utilizing the methods he did to create and cement past alliances. He's trying to take the iron out of the glove, believing like many of Bush's critics that the reason America faces so much animosity is not due to differences in ideology, but due to anger over America's past "misdeeds" and fear of future ones.

Or, long story short, he thinks that the opposite to being Bush is being a pushover.

Good point.
It reminds me when a new coach comes to a team, and want to get rid all the players that were associated with the former coach, just to say "i'll do it my way!"

127 Cato the Elder  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:51:38am

re: #123 Walter L. Newton

Understood now... The Washington Post probably is running a false article too...

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

Is the nonexistent policy you currently don't have the one you're concerned with keeping, Walter?

128 cliffster  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:51:41am

re: #124 albusteve

of course it's true...the cost of health care will skyrocket, it has for you already...who's gonna care for an extra 30m people in the system?...imported doctors and nurses?

there's an app for that

129 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:51:54am

re: #123 Walter L. Newton

Understood now... The Washington Post probably is running a false article too...

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

probably. I don't take this stuff seriously enough to look into anymore.

130 Varek Raith  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:52:09am

Heh.
Code Pink.

131 Nekama  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:52:31am

re: #105 Dark_Falcon

And Charles has been solidly in Israel's corner.

Yes he has. Charles has been magnificent. I've been a huge fan for a long time, but I feel he has been losing his way recently. Recently he wrote something to the effect that Obama has been no less supportive of Israel than GW Bush or other Presidents, a statement that is very hard to defend.

I think that the focus on idiots like Alex Jones has taken his eye off what is far more important.

132 Nimed  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:52:39am

re: #83 Charles

I don't recall GW Bush ever condemning Palestinians naming streets after terrorists either.

And it's good he didn't. The name of a Palestinian street is a complete nontroversy, and the least of either Israel or the US concerns. We can't have the President issuing a condemnation every time the Palestinians, or the Iranians, or the Cubans, or the Russians, or any other international actors for that matter, name a street after somebody we don't like. There would be no end to it.

133 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:53:09am

re: #127 Cato the Elder

Is the nonexistent policy you currently don't have the one you're concerned with keeping, Walter?

I'm not concerned with anything, but I'm eligible for coverage after 1000 hours with Kroger Co. (basically a year, at part time hours) and I would be concerned at that point... I'm trying to move forward here, and any possible bump in the road in the future is my concern... got it?

134 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:53:24am

re: #129 Killgore Trout

probably. I don't take this stuff seriously enough to look into anymore.

Fair answer.

135 Cato the Elder  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:53:39am

re: #125 Dark_Falcon

On the matter of Israel, here's another good Victor Davis Hanson article on the subject:

Helen Thomas, Turkey, and the Liberation of Israel

Read the whole thing, it's worth it.

Hanson is a pseudo-intellectual. Helen Thomas was a doyenne, not a doyen.

136 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:54:30am

re: #135 Cato the Elder

Hanson is a pseudo-intellectual. Helen Thomas was a doyenne, not a doyen.

I thought her ethnic background was Lebanese?

137 OldnGrumpy  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:55:10am

#111 Cato the Elder

You're a familiar face...er...name,I see there's not alot of the old-timers around anymore

A lot happened in my personal life,which is too painful to go into so I won't but my previous persona was TotallySirius

I thought the sig line would give it away i.e. "TS"

Iguess I need to change it to "OnG"...heh

138 Cato the Elder  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:55:44am

re: #131 Nekama

Yes he has. Charles has been magnificent. I've been a huge fan for a long time, but I feel he has been losing his way recently. Recently he wrote something to the effect that Obama has been no less supportive of Israel than GW Bush or other Presidents, a statement that is very hard to defend.

I think that the focus on idiots like Alex Jones has taken his eye off what is far more important.

I think it is possible to focus on both.

If you want "Israel, right or wrong!" and "behold the evil Muslims!" on a 24/7 basis, there are blogs that do that.

139 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:55:46am
140 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:55:58am

re: #93 Nekama

The list is endless. One of the easiest things to monitor is Palestinian incitement - you'd think Obama never heard of Palestinian Media Watch - and the easiest thing for them to change. Charles used to post about their hideous indoctrination of children and portrayals of blood libel.

Yet you seldom hear a peep from this administration, and sadly, from this blog.

Can you give me an example of 'peeps' from previous administrations about Palestinian incitement? No snark, I'm trying to figure out what Obama can be expected to be doing according to a previously set standard that he is not.

141 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:56:02am

re: #131 Nekama

Yes he has. Charles has been magnificent. I've been a huge fan for a long time, but I feel he has been losing his way recently. Recently he wrote something to the effect that Obama has been no less supportive of Israel than GW Bush or other Presidents, a statement that is very hard to defend.

I think that the focus on idiots like Alex Jones has taken his eye off what is far more important.

I'd argue that goons like Jones were the more visible and more immediate threat before this Gaza Flotilla event. Jones' entryism into more respectable conservative organs threatens to turn the GOP into a loony bin. But this issue actually helps as it gives the great majority of the right something to agree on while silencing the worst of the crazies. It also puts the left on the defensive.

142 Nimed  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:56:14am

re: #133 Walter L. Newton

I'm not concerned with anything, but I'm eligible for coverage after 1000 hours with Kroger Co. (basically a year, at part time hours) and I would be concerned at that point... I'm trying to move forward here, and any possible bump in the road in the future is my concern... got it?

Walter, sorry for the really indiscreet question. Roughly how much time until you are eligible for Medicare?

143 wrenchwench  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:57:10am

re: #131 Nekama

Yes he has. Charles has been magnificent. I've been a huge fan for a long time, but I feel he has been losing his way not posting what I want to read recently. Recently he wrote something to the effect that Obama has been no less supportive of Israel than GW Bush or other Presidents, a statement that is very hard to defend.

I think that the focus on idiots like Alex Jones has taken his eye off what is far more important to me.

FTFY.

144 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:57:14am

re: #98 Nekama


So what GW Bush did is the standard? You'd never let him get away with blaming Clinton.

He becomes the implied standard when people suggest that Obama's approach marks a departure from a previous high level of support. Clinton's record is also open for discussion.

145 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:57:46am

re: #137 OldnGrumpy

Why the nic change?

146 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:57:59am

re: #142 Nimed

Walter, sorry for the really indiscreet question. Roughly how much time until you are eligible for Medicare?

There is barely no such thing as a indiscreet question when someone is asking me something... I don't know the answer to your question... I'm 57, does that help?

147 wrenchwench  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:58:24am

re: #137 OldnGrumpy

Hi TotallyGrumpy. Are you going to post music for us? You were missed.

148 KDS1  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:58:35am

re: #132 Nimed

And it's good he didn't. The name of a Palestinian street is a complete nontroversy, and the least of either Israel or the US concerns. We can't have the President issuing a condemnation every time the Palestinians, or the Iranians, or the Cubans, or the Russians, or any other international actors for that matter, name a street after somebody we don't like. There would be no end to it.

Its quite true. I dont care much what they call their street, as long as they don't try to kill me. But street names are always meant to reflect part of history, which reflects on a country identity and often shows what kind of an education the kids get. So it is worrying in a way.

149 cliffster  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:59:19am

re: #147 wrenchwench

Hi TotallyGrumpy. Are you going to post music for us? You were missed.

SiriuslyOld?

150 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:59:27am

re: #125 Dark_Falcon
Thanks for the link. I made an extra copy for my dad.

151 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:59:54am

re: #135 Cato the Elder

Hanson is a pseudo-intellectual. Helen Thomas was a doyenne, not a doyen.

Perhaps he feels that it's buckling under to the French to use gendered nouns?

152 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:59:58am

re: #142 Nimed

Walter, sorry for the really indiscreet question. Roughly how much time until you are eligible for Medicare?

And the funny thing... even though I am a programmer of 30 years, now working as a cashier at a supermarket, I still do some part time contract programming work for Kaiser (from home)... would be nice if I could just trade services...

153 albusteve  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 11:00:36am

re: #125 Dark_Falcon

VDH is brilliant, and this is a masterpiece

154 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 11:00:58am

re: #131 Nekama

Yes he has. Charles has been magnificent. I've been a huge fan for a long time, but I feel he has been losing his way recently. Recently he wrote something to the effect that Obama has been no less supportive of Israel than GW Bush or other Presidents, a statement that is very hard to defend.

I think that the focus on idiots like Alex Jones has taken his eye off what is far more important.

I think Alex Jones is precisely a huge part of the problem. The return of the Birch Society, Glenn Beck and Ron Paul means that the right doesn't care much about Israel anymore. Popular conservative sites like Drudge frequently highlight and link to Alex Jones and conservatives don't seem to mind. Big Journalism linked to LGF on the Reuters story, resulting in maybe 200 clicks. Hot Air had a thread about the story which only received 100 comments. They just aren't that interested anymore and whacky libertarian philosophy is a huge part of the problem.

155 Varek Raith  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 11:01:02am

re: #144 SanFranciscoZionist

He becomes the implied standard when people suggest that Obama's approach marks a departure from a previous high level of support. Clinton's record is also open for discussion.

I feel as if I've entered an alternate reality in which the Ds won in 2000 and 2004 and the Rs were acting like the loony left...

156 OldnGrumpy  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 11:02:45am

#145 Dark Falcon

New me,new nick and the fact that my old comp took a dump and couldn't afford a new one till recently,changed ISPs,forgot old PW and I don't have the same email addy,divorce...etc.

Comedy of errors

157 albusteve  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 11:03:07am

re: #135 Cato the Elder

Hanson is a pseudo-intellectual. Helen Thomas was a doyenne, not a doyen.

and you are qualified to make this judgment how?....by measuring degrees?

158 Nimed  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 11:03:20am

re: #146 Walter L. Newton

There is barely no such thing as a indiscreet question when someone is asking me something... I don't know the answer to your question... I'm 57, does that help?

Yes. I was kind of hoping you were older (just for this purpose though :) ). Medicare kicks in at 65. There are other eligibility conditions, but I'm not familiar with them.

You can check out this page and answer a few questions. I don't know how well it works, but I suppose trying doesn't hurt...
[Link: www.medicare.gov...]

159 Cato the Elder  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 11:03:26am

re: #133 Walter L. Newton

I'm not concerned with anything, but I'm eligible for coverage after 1000 hours with Kroger Co. (basically a year, at part time hours) and I would be concerned at that point... I'm trying to move forward here, and any possible bump in the road in the future is my concern... got it?

Under Obamacare, you would not be forced to put in 1,000 hours before getting coverage. That's one thing that it improves.

The notion that you have to be a faithful retainer for that long before they have to cover you is damned medieval.

160 TheMatrix31  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 11:04:38am

Well....fuck England.

161 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 11:04:51am

re: #156 OldnGrumpy

#145 Dark Falcon

New me,new nick and the fact that my old comp took a dump and couldn't afford a new one till recently,changed ISPs,forgot old PW and I don't have the same email addy,divorce...etc.

Comedy of errors

Fair enough.

162 Nekama  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 11:06:02am

Can anyone recall anything remotely resembling the outrageous outrage of Obama, Biden, and particularly Hillary and her 47 minute excoriation for merely announcing that one of a series of steps leading to building in Jerusalem had been taken?

In the context of Obama and previous administrations of recent memory that public chastisement is unprecedented. One would think he would have appeared to be somewhat evenhanded by mentioning the honor given to Mughrabi.

163 OldnGrumpy  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 11:06:48am

#147 WrenchWench

Did you request music?

OK,here's one that sort of fits this thread...

I won't ever leave, you want me to stay
Nothing you can do, that could turn me away
Hangin on anyway
Believin the things you say, bein a fool
You've taken my life, so take my soul
That's what you said, and I believe it all
I want to be with you
as long as you want me to
But don't move away
Ain't that what you said?
Ain't that what you said?
Ain't that what you say?
Liar, Liar, Liar

We may see no night
We have see no day
If I ever leave, but you want me to stay
You can believe in me
I won't believe it, I won't let you go
Ain't that what you said?
Ain't that what you said?
Ain't that what you say?
Liar, Liar, Liar

You've taken my life, so take my soul
That's what you said but who are we to know
I want to be with you
Long as you want me to
But don't move away
Ain't that what you said?
Ain't that what you said?
Ain't that what you say?
Liar, Liar, Liar

"Three Dog Night"

*note*this is not directed toward Charles ,it's the first "Liar" themed song I could think of.

164 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 11:07:17am

re: #155 Varek Raith

I feel as if I've entered an alternate reality in which the Ds won in 2000 and 2004 and the Rs were acting like the loony left...

In 2004, National Review ran an article in their issue right before the election called "The Left's Fantasy Island". Transpose that article to the right and it captures the phenomenon exactly. Too much of the right has gotten wrapped up in political fantasy.

165 Nimed  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 11:07:54am

re: #152 Walter L. Newton

And the funny thing... even though I am a programmer of 30 years, now working as a cashier at a supermarket, I still do some part time contract programming work for Kaiser (from home)... would be nice if I could just trade services...

Alright. I forgot to mention that depending on your income, household size, and a bunch of other stuff, you can also be eligible for Medicaid.

[Link: www.cms.gov...]

166 Varek Raith  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 11:08:58am

re: #164 Dark_Falcon

In 2004, National Review ran an article in their issue right before the election called "The Left's Fantasy Island". Transpose that article to the right and it captures the phenomenon exactly. Too much of the right has gotten wrapped up in political fantasy.

Politics;
A vicious circle of nonsense, no?

167 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 11:10:23am

re: #159 Cato the Elder

Under Obamacare, you would not be forced to put in 1,000 hours before getting coverage. That's one thing that it improves.

The notion that you have to be a faithful retainer for that long before they have to cover you is damned medieval.

I prefer having to work for my benefits, I don't like handouts... you know that, everyone here knows that... it's not a perfect position but I try to stick to it as much as I can... and giving is more important to me than receiving... a fact that you are also personally aware of.

So, I find nothing wrong or medieval with the arrangement that Kroger has... most retail don't give half that much for part time employees... check out Walmart.

We also have a matched retirement funds for part timers. In general, Kroger treats part timers much better than common practice in retail.

I'm not saying that satisfies everyone (or you), but I know what I signed on to... if I didn't agree with it, I didn't have to go to work for them.

168 cliffster  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 11:10:31am

Republicans need to cut this shit out - Obama not supporting Israel, Obama not plugging the well, whatever. There's one issue that people are wrapped up with in ways I've never seen - spending. I've never seen people so charged up about this issue and I couldn't be happier about it. Republicans should pretty much not say anything else from now until November, and then again until 2012. That's the drum they should beat, and they should beat it mercilessly.

169 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 11:10:56am

re: #166 Varek Raith

Politics;
A vicious circle of nonsense, no?

Yes. But it's easier for you to deal with Fantasy Islands. You've got a superlaser.

170 Varek Raith  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 11:11:32am

re: #169 Dark_Falcon

Yes. But it's easier for you to deal with Fantasy Islands. You've got a superlaser.

And hordes of pissed off Drow!
:)

171 wrenchwench  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 11:11:52am

re: #154 Killgore Trout

I think Alex Jones is precisely a huge part of the problem. The return of the Birch Society, Glenn Beck and Ron Paul means that the right doesn't care much about Israel anymore. Popular conservative sites like Drudge frequently highlight and link to Alex Jones and conservatives don't seem to mind. Big Journalism linked to LGF on the Reuters story, resulting in maybe 200 clicks. Hot Air had a thread about the story which only received 100 comments. They just aren't that interested anymore and whacky libertarian philosophy is a huge part of the problem.

Good point. The rise of the "non-interventionist" philosophy on the right could be more of a threat to support for Israel than the peace-niks of the left.

172 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 11:12:37am

re: #159 Cato the Elder

And by the way... big bad Kroger Corporation asked me to work a full 8 hour shift today, instead of the 4 hour shift I was scheduled for... so, I'll be leaving in about 30 minutes...

173 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 11:13:07am

re: #162 Nekama

Bush criticises settlements on Israel visit

You should google. there's plenty more

174 The Left  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 11:15:10am

re: #62 Nekama

Charles wrote: "This is the kind of person who represents the right wing blogosphere"

Charles, what are the criteria for being a representative of one side or another?

Does Code Pink represent the left wing blogosphere?

No.

175 Varek Raith  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 11:16:36am

re: #174 iceweasel

No.

Image: Invalid.jpg

:)

176 Obdicut  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 11:16:54am

re: #174 iceweasel

Code Pink gets laughed at in San Francisco.

177 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 11:18:30am

re: #173 Killgore Trout

Bush criticises settlements on Israel visit

You should google. there's plenty more

Did he do it for 47 minutes?

//

The Bush moment I remember most vividly was when he said something about establishing a Palestinian state with 'contiguous' borders. My mother called me. "Did he say that? Did he hear himself say that? What does that mean?"

178 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 11:19:13am

re: #175 Varek Raith

Image: Invalid.jpg

:)

Is the guy in the far right of that picture cracking up behind his hand?

179 Cato the Elder  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 11:19:34am

re: #162 Nekama

Can anyone recall anything remotely resembling the outrageous outrage of Obama, Biden, and particularly Hillary and her 47 minute excoriation for merely announcing that one of a series of steps leading to building in Jerusalem had been taken?

In the context of Obama and previous administrations of recent memory that public chastisement is unprecedented. One would think he would have appeared to be somewhat evenhanded by mentioning the honor given to Mughrabi.

"Outrageous outrage" generally means it wasn't so outrageous.

Did Hillary really go on for 47 minutes about that? Link, please? I'm feeling all masochisty today...

Oh, and welcome back, to you and to the new, improved Sirius. Note: as it was in the old days, it is still considered impolite to tell the host that you don't like the bill of fare.

180 Targetpractice  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 11:19:50am

re: #171 wrenchwench

Good point. The rise of the "non-interventionist" philosophy on the right could be more of a threat to support for Israel than the peace-niks of the left.

They both essentially work out to the same belief: That if the US would take its nose out of other countries business and mind its own, peace would reign supreme. That if we dismantled the "Military-Industrial Complex" we got going on around the world, we'd have this mountain of money we could funnel into all kinds of social spending and finally be able to give everybody the chicken in every pot and car in every garage they were promised.

It's a nice fantasy, just like Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy.

181 Varek Raith  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 11:19:55am

re: #178 SanFranciscoZionist

Is the guy in the far right of that picture cracking up behind his hand?

Probably.
I would.
:)
Code Pink, the new AAACCCOOORRRNNN.

182 Varek Raith  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 11:21:01am

Who the hell takes Code Pink seriously? 50 people???

183 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 11:21:20am

re: #181 Varek Raith

Probably.
I would.
:)
Code Pink, the new AAACCCOOORRRNNN.

ACORN actually had goals a reasonable person could agree with. As far as I can tell, Code Pink now simply exists so that Medea and friends can dress up like fairy princesses and act out in public.

184 Obdicut  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 11:21:23am

re: #180 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

There also people who point out that sometimes when we intervene in world affairs, it turns out utter crap, like deposing the democratic leader of Iran and replacing him with the Shah. Or supporting various right-wing dictators over time.

It's not a simple dichotomy.

I, however, wish we had a mutual defense treaty with Israel.

185 blueraven  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 11:21:33am

re: #103 Walter L. Newton

OT - You'll know what's in the bill after we pass it... so true...

"Keep Your Health Plan Under Overhaul? Probably Not, Gov't Analysis Concludes"

[Link: www.investors.com...]

Congress... pack of lying fuck offs...

A White House official told IBD: "This is a draft document, and we will be releasing the final regulation when it is complete. The president made a promise to the American people that if they liked their health care plan, they can keep it. The regulation, when finalized, will uphold that promise."
However, the source conceded: "It is difficult to predict how plans and employers will behave in the coming years, but if plans make changes that negatively impact consumers, then they will lose their grandfather status

What is the problem? Plans that make changes that negatively impact consumers might lose their grandfather status?

186 Cato the Elder  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 11:21:36am

re: #175 Varek Raith

Image: Invalid.jpg

:)

Medea really looks brain-damaged in that pic!

187 Varek Raith  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 11:22:04am

re: #183 SanFranciscoZionist

ACORN actually had goals a reasonable person could agree with. As far as I can tell, Code Pink now simply exists so that Medea and friends can dress up like fairy princesses and act out in public.

I'm referring to that more in regards to the wingnuts.

188 wrenchwench  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 11:22:38am

re: #163 OldnGrumpy

I think you'll like some of the new posting features that have been invented here while you were gone. You can click "reply" on a post and get the comment number and nic automagically applied to your response, or click "quote" and get the whole post.

And you can paste a video right into your comment.

Just put the link on its own line.

189 Nekama  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 11:23:37am

re: #154 Killgore Trout

I think Alex Jones is precisely a huge part of the problem. The return of the Birch Society, Glenn Beck and Ron Paul means that the right doesn't care much about Israel anymore.

I respectfully disagree. IMHO:

1. There certainly is a tremendous dissatisfaction with not just the left and Democratic party but also the Republican party and their big spending, pro-amnesty views. Simplistically speaking, that is the larger influence on the tea party movement and their backlash, not an embrace of the far right.

2. The center and center/right is solidly pro-Israel.

3. The far right is given a disproportionate amount of attention to their numbers.

4. It is a mistake to conflate a majority of those who are dissatisfied with the direction of our country - both during Bush's big spending days and now particularly under Obama - with the far right.

5. Conservatives threw the likes of Buchanan out. WF Buckley types are far more representative of those on the right than freakazoids like Alex Jones.

190 Targetpractice  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 11:23:51am

re: #184 Obdicut

There also people who point out that sometimes when we intervene in world affairs, it turns out utter crap, like deposing the democratic leader of Iran and replacing him with the Shah. Or supporting various right-wing dictators over time.

It's not a simple dichotomy.

I, however, wish we had a mutual defense treaty with Israel.

Fair point. I don't for a minute believe that the US did everything right during the Cold War, or that we didn't bring some of the shit that's fallen on us since on ourselves. But we have to keep in mind that we're looking at this through a modern eye rather than what was going on then. Sometimes intervention and even wholesale overturning the apple cart prevented things from going bad or getting worse. It's all a matter of hindsight being 20/20.

191 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 11:24:55am

re: #185 blueraven

A White House official told IBD: "This is a draft document, and we will be releasing the final regulation when it is complete. The president made a promise to the American people that if they liked their health care plan, they can keep it. The regulation, when finalized, will uphold that promise."
However, the source conceded: "It is difficult to predict how plans and employers will behave in the coming years, but if plans make changes that negatively impact consumers, then they will lose their grandfather status

What is the problem? Plans that make changes that negatively impact consumers might lose their grandfather status?

Companies will be forced to make changes because of the new health care rules... ergo... typical catch 22... don't be dense.

192 bratwurst  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 11:24:59am

re: #189 Nekama


5. Conservatives threw the likes of Buchanan out.

Someone forgot to tell WND and Sean Hannity!

193 wrenchwench  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 11:25:17am

re: #180 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

They both essentially work out to the same belief: That if the US would take its nose out of other countries business and mind its own, peace would reign supreme. That if we dismantled the "Military-Industrial Complex" we got going on around the world, we'd have this mountain of money we could funnel into all kinds of social spending and finally be able to give everybody the chicken in every pot and car in every garage they were promised.

It's a nice fantasy, just like Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy.

I think I'm becoming a neo-con Democrat. Is that allowed?

194 Targetpractice  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 11:25:44am

re: #193 wrenchwench

I think I'm becoming a neo-con Democrat. Is that allowed?

Hell no. Off to Siberia with you!

///

195 Nekama  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 11:25:47am

re: #171 wrenchwench

Good point. The rise of the "non-interventionist" philosophy on the right could be more of a threat to support for Israel than the peace-niks of the left.

Obama's brand of interventionism is far more dangerous to Israel than a hands off policy.

196 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 11:26:17am

re: #182 Varek Raith

Who the hell takes Code Pink seriously? 50 people???

Well, probably more than that, but they are a small, crabby org, with no friends in high, or even medium, places.

197 wrenchwench  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 11:27:18am

re: #195 Nekama

Obama's brand of interventionism is far more dangerous to Israel than a hands off policy.

It appears that good people disagree over that point.

198 Nekama  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 11:27:37am

re: #173 Killgore Trout

Bush criticises settlements on Israel visit

You should google. there's plenty more

Obama's criticism of building in Jerusalem was unprecedented. Bush never did anything like that, and certainly never so publicly.

199 Cato the Elder  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 11:27:44am

re: #189 Nekama

5. Conservatives threw the likes of Buchanan out. WF Buckley types are far more representative of those on the right than freakazoids like Alex Jones.

Someone really ought to tell Buchanan that he's been deep-sixed. For some odd reason, he seems not to know that, and keeps showing up at MSM gabfests, where they apparently don't have the heart to tell the old guy that he no longer represents conservajism.

200 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 11:28:18am

re: #193 wrenchwench

I think I'm becoming a neo-con Democrat. Is that allowed?

There are plenty. Climb on board. Don't mind the loons skateboarding behind the bus.

201 Obdicut  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 11:28:25am

re: #189 Nekama

I respectfully disagree. IMHO:

1. There certainly is a tremendous dissatisfaction with not just the left and Democratic party but also the Republican party and their big spending, pro-amnesty views. Simplistically speaking, that is the larger influence on the tea party movement and their backlash, not an embrace of the far right.

That is simplistic, yes. I don't think that the 'right' and 'left' have a lot of meaning, but reflexively being anti-spending, even when it's pound-foolish but penny-wise, is definitely a trait of the far right.

Most people who are dissatisfied with spending can't actually name anything significant they'd like to see cut, and those that can, usually name things that mark them as far-right libertarians.

2. The center and center/right is solidly pro-Israel.

Depends on how you define it, I guess. A lot of people don't actually care that much about Israel, sadly. They'll respond with support on a poll, but they don't actually know much about the situation. And given that such politicians on the left as Kerry and Weiner have both made very strong pro-Israel statements, I'm not sure why you don't include "center-left" in that as well.

3. The far right is given a disproportionate amount of attention to their numbers.

Their influence is growing. With insane abortion laws cropping up in various states, Rand Paul winning a primary, it's hard to keep claiming the radical right doesn't have a lot of influence.

4. It is a mistake to conflate a majority of those who are dissatisfied with the direction of our country - both during Bush's big spending days and now particularly under Obama - with the far right.

How is it a mistake?


5. Conservatives threw the likes of Buchanan out. WF Buckley types are far more representative of those on the right than freakazoids like Alex Jones.

How on earth do you square this current events? Name me a prominent WB Buckley type on the modern right.

202 OldnGrumpy  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 11:29:36am

Wow, speaking of blasts from the past.......

She's baaaaaaack..

[Link: cindysheehanssoapbox.blogspot.com...]

Trying to reclaim her 15 minutes?

203 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 11:29:48am

re: #198 Nekama

Obama's criticism of building in Jerusalem was unprecedented. Bush never did anything like that, and certainly never so publicly.

That may well be true, and I think the administration behaved poorly over the whole thing. Where we may disagree is whether this is significant of something large or relatively small.

204 blueraven  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 11:29:49am

re: #191 Walter L. Newton

Companies will be forced to make changes because of the new health care rules... ergo... typical catch 22... don't be dense.

Well if my insurance plan changes, and it affects me and other employees negatively, I want my employer to make changes. OK with you?
Employers have always made insurance changes and they always will.

205 Obdicut  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 11:30:37am

re: #198 Nekama

Obama's criticism of building in Jerusalem was unprecedented. Bush never did anything like that, and certainly never so publicly.

[Link: www.americantaskforce.org...]

Condoleezza Rice criticized Israel on Friday for planning to build new homes on occupied land in the Jerusalem area -- a move Palestinians say could wreck a peace process Rice helped launch last week in Washington.

"We are in a time when the goal is to build maximum confidence with the parties and this doesn't help to build confidence," the U.S. Secretary of State said in rare public censure of Washington's closest ally in the Middle East.

At a news conference at NATO in Brussels after she had met Israeli foreign minister Tzipi Livni, Rice added: "There should not be anything which might prejudge final-status negotiations.

"It's even more important now that we are on the eve of the beginning of the negotiations. I made that position clear."

Rice has to a degree staked her claim to a foreign policy legacy going into the final year of the Bush administration on seeking a settlement of the 60-year-old Palestinian-Israeli conflict. Last week's accord at Annapolis, Maryland, to resume negotiations after a violent, 7-year hiatus came after nearly a year of Middle East shuttle diplomacy by the secretary of state.

Negotiators from both sides are due to meet in Jerusalem on Wednesday for a first round of talks since U.S. President George W. Bush oversaw handshakes on the deal between Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert and Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas.

Bush, whose presidency has been marked by the war in Iraq, has been criticized by some for previously neglecting the issue.

Disputes over settlements and Jerusalem, which Israel wants as its undivided capital and where Abbas wants East Jerusalem as capital of a Palestinian state, are central to negotiations Bush now hopes can conclude before he steps down in just 13 months.

206 Renaissance_Man  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 11:30:46am

re: #189 Nekama


5. Conservatives threw the likes of Buchanan out. WF Buckley types are far more representative of those on the right than freakazoids like Alex Jones.

We might wish that were true, but it's not anymore. The Tea Party/Conservative movement (as opposed to actual conservative thinking) is very much the province of the Conservative cult media, which is squarely in the camp of Alex Jones, Glenn Beck, and the Birchers. As far as these people are concerned, Buckley-type conservatives are RINOs. You might prefer to think of them as 'far right', but they are absolutely the core of the current political movement, and what most understand as 'Conservative'. The right wing blogosphere and pundits have disenfranchised Buckley, not the other way around.

207 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 11:30:58am

re: #202 OldnGrumpy
Yes. That is all she has.

208 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 11:32:15am

re: #204 blueraven

Well if my insurance plan changes, and it affects me and other employees negatively, I want my employer to make changes. OK with you?
Employers have always made insurance changes and they always will.

Wait until you get the NEW changes... a gift from Congress... enjoy.

209 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 11:32:30am

re: #202 OldnGrumpy

Wow, speaking of blasts from the past...

She's baaack..

[Link: cindysheehanssoapbox.blogspot.com...]

Trying to reclaim her 15 minutes?

Oh God. Look at this:

CINDY SHEEHAN and EMMA ROSENTHAL

Read selections and discuss their contributions to

SHIFTING SANDS:

JEWISH WOMEN CONFRONT THE ISRAELI OCCUPATION

The newly-released anthology of Jewish women’s voices for peace and justice.

Edited by Osie Gabriel Adelfang * Preface by Amira Hass * Foreword by Cindy Sheehan

CONTRIBUTORS: Anna Baltzer * Sandra Butler * Tomi Louise Clark * Linda Dittmer * Kim Goldberg * Susan Greene * Hedy Epstein * Maia Ettinger * Jen Marlowe *

Hannah Mermelstein * Emma Rosenthal * Alice Rothchild * Starhawk

- Published by Whole World Press

Cindy Sheehan's book Not One More Mother's Child and orders for pdf file of Myth America will be available at the events as well.

Join us for these three Los Angeles events June 12-13

210 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 11:32:54am

re: #208 Walter L. Newton

Wait until you get the NEW changes... a gift from Congress... enjoy.

What changes would these be?

211 albusteve  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 11:33:52am

Cindy Sheehan!
who could give a shit, totally irrelevant

212 blueraven  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 11:33:57am

re: #208 Walter L. Newton

Wait until you get the NEW changes... a gift from Congress... enjoy.

Like the one that allows my 19 and 21 year old children to remain on my insurance plan? Yeah, I am really crying over that one!

213 Nekama  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 11:34:10am

re: #179 Cato the Elder

"Outrageous outrage" generally means it wasn't so outrageous". My point exactly. Israel's behavior was nothing to get so excited about.

Did Hillary really go on for 47 minutes about that? Link, please? I'm feeling all masochisty today...

Correction: 45 minutes. . My bad.

214 Varek Raith  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 11:34:37am

re: #209 SanFranciscoZionist

Oh God. Look at this:

CINDY SHEEHAN and EMMA ROSENTHAL

Read selections and discuss their contributions to

SHIFTING SANDS:

JEWISH WOMEN CONFRONT THE ISRAELI OCCUPATION

The newly-released anthology of Jewish women’s voices for peace and justice.

Edited by Osie Gabriel Adelfang * Preface by Amira Hass * Foreword by Cindy Sheehan

CONTRIBUTORS: Anna Baltzer * Sandra Butler * Tomi Louise Clark * Linda Dittmer * Kim Goldberg * Susan Greene * Hedy Epstein * Maia Ettinger * Jen Marlowe *

Hannah Mermelstein * Emma Rosenthal * Alice Rothchild * Starhawk

- Published by Whole World Press

Cindy Sheehan's book Not One More Mother's Child and orders for pdf file of Myth America will be available at the events as well.

Join us for these three Los Angeles events June 12-13

YOU'RE LATE THE THE TEA PARTY!
Image: mad-hatter-21.jpg

215 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 11:34:37am

Check out this chick....
Should drug addicts be paid to be sterilised?

Barbara Harris thinks they should. She's already started a campaign in America, now she's coming to the UK

Anyone heard of her before?

216 albusteve  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 11:34:43am

re: #210 SanFranciscoZionist

What changes would these be?

30m new people in the system

217 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 11:34:48am

re: #212 blueraven

Like the one that allows my 19 and 21 year old children to remain on my insurance plan? Yeah, I am really crying over that one!

Tell them to get a job.

218 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 11:35:41am

re: #210 SanFranciscoZionist

What changes would these be?

Search "Walter" and "Health care"... I argued my point for month, I'm not going around and around again...

219 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 11:35:47am

re: #215 Killgore Trout

Check out this chick...
Should drug addicts be paid to be sterilised?

Anyone heard of her before?

I have a vague recollection of reading an article about that in Newsweek or Time, at least a few years ago. Don't remember the name, so couldn't say for sure if it's the same person.

220 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 11:36:00am

re: #185 blueraven

A White House official told IBD: "This is a draft document, and we will be releasing the final regulation when it is complete. The president made a promise to the American people that if they liked their health care plan, they can keep it. The regulation, when finalized, will uphold that promise."
However, the source conceded: "It is difficult to predict how plans and employers will behave in the coming years, but if plans make changes that negatively impact consumers, then they will lose their grandfather status

What is the problem? Plans that make changes that negatively impact consumers might lose their grandfather status?

That's why I don't even bother clicking those links anymore. It's just not worth the effort. They always end up being bogus.

221 albusteve  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 11:36:21am

re: #215 Killgore Trout

Check out this chick...
Should drug addicts be paid to be sterilised?

Anyone heard of her before?

rad

222 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 11:36:25am

re: #216 albusteve

30m new people in the system

I hear they're all signing up with my doctor.

223 blueraven  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 11:36:36am

re: #217 Walter L. Newton

Tell them to get a job.

They have part time jobs and attend college Walter. Thanks for asking.

224 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 11:36:54am

re: #218 Walter L. Newton

Search "Walter" and "Health care"... I argued my point for month, I'm not going around and around again...

Yeah, I disagreed then, too.

225 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 11:37:33am

re: #219 SanFranciscoZionist

I have a vague recollection of reading an article about that in Newsweek or Time, at least a few years ago. Don't remember the name, so couldn't say for sure if it's the same person.

Hmmm, she seems pretty spooky. Her ideas probably would catch on here but the possibility of her gaining popularity is Europe could be very bad.

226 albusteve  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 11:37:55am

re: #222 SanFranciscoZionist

I hear they're all signing up with my doctor.

my doc already retired from patient care...doesn't want anything to do with Ocare

227 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 11:40:05am

re: #224 SanFranciscoZionist

Yeah, I disagreed then, too.

Then there is nothing to talk about between you and me on this subject... I mention these things anew for those who still have an open mind and may want to revisit the bill now that it is signed and elements of it are being fleshed out. It's apparent that they may be come caveats in the bill that were not as evident in the past.

That's typical of any bill this large and complex. But those who think that nothing new under the sun can arise at this point or in the future, in my mind, are deluded.

228 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 11:40:12am

re: #226 albusteve

my doc already retired from patient care...doesn't want anything to do with Ocare

I hope he enjoys himself in retirement. Does he golf?

229 Varek Raith  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 11:40:12am

re: #226 albusteve

my doc already retired from patient care...doesn't want anything to do with Ocare

He now drives this.
/

230 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 11:40:19am

re: #193 wrenchwench

I think I'm becoming a neo-con Democrat. Is that allowed?

I would prefer the term Scoop Jackson Democrat, because he was a huge influence on the neo-cons, and because the real neo-cons have so thoroughly trashed their own brand.

231 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 11:40:47am

re: #227 Walter L. Newton

Then there is nothing to talk about between you and me on this subject... I mention these things anew for those who still have an open mind and may want to revisit the bill now that it is signed and elements of it are being fleshed out. It's apparent that they may be come caveats in the bill that were not as evident in the past.

That's typical of any bill this large and complex. But those who think that nothing new under the sun can arise at this point or in the future, in my mind, are deluded.

Terrible typing... I'm typing fast cause I have to leave for work now... sorry for the typos.

232 Obdicut  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 11:40:55am

re: #225 Killgore Trout

Hmmm, she seems pretty spooky. Her ideas probably would catch on here but the possibility of her gaining popularity is Europe could be very bad.

I'd like to note that forced sterilization is nothing new in Europe. They've been doing it to the Roma forever.

[Link: reproductiverights.org...]

And it still happens.

233 blueraven  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 11:41:36am

re: #220 Killgore Trout

That's why I don't even bother clicking those links anymore. It's just not worth the effort. They always end up being bogus.

And Walter counts on that...nobody clicks on the link. Spin it any way you like.

234 Varek Raith  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 11:42:00am

re: #232 Obdicut

I'd like to note that forced sterilization is nothing new in Europe. They've been doing it to the Roma forever.

[Link: reproductiverights.org...]

And it still happens.

That's fucked up.

235 albusteve  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 11:42:11am

re: #228 SanFranciscoZionist

I hope he enjoys himself in retirement. Does he golf?

he's teaching at UNM...his wife is a PA, sweet setup

236 Targetpractice  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 11:43:52am

re: #230 goddamnedfrank

I would prefer the term Scoop Jackson Democrat, because he was a huge influence on the neo-cons, and because the real neo-cons have so thoroughly trashed their own brand.

Agreed. The GOP needs a man like him, to lead the moderate and liberal Republicans in retaking the party.

237 Varek Raith  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 11:44:04am

re: #229 Varek Raith

He now drives this.
/

That was uncalled for on my part, even sarcastically.
Sorry, Steve.

238 Obdicut  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 11:44:20am

re: #234 Varek Raith

That's fucked up.

Yep. This is one reason that European criticism of Jewish treatment of Palestinians is very hard to take. The Roma have been systematically fucked over and are still being fucked over, everywhere in Europe.

Sweden sterilized the mentally ill (very, very loosely defined) between the 30's and 50's too.

239 Ojoe  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 11:45:07am

Go Charles.

Thank you for this haven of sanity, LGF.

240 Targetpractice  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 11:46:26am

Gah, got this damn song stuck in my head now...

241 cliffster  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 11:47:25am

Dude, soccer is unbelievably boring.

242 Ojoe  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 11:47:27am

re: #234 Varek Raith

Have you read "The Gypsies" and "Crossing" by Jan Yoors?

They are amazing books.

243 Mocking Jay  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 11:48:08am

re: #240 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Gah, got this damn song stuck in my head now...


[Video]

Try having this one stuck in your head.

244 Varek Raith  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 11:48:12am

re: #242 Ojoe

Have you read "The Gypsies" and "Crossing" by Jan Yoors?

They are amazing books.

No.
I'll add those to my list, though.
Thanks!

245 Nimed  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 11:48:26am

re: #189 Nekama

I respectfully disagree. IMHO:

1. There certainly is a tremendous dissatisfaction with not just the left and Democratic party but also the Republican party and their big spending, pro-amnesty views. Simplistically speaking, that is the larger influence on the tea party movement and their backlash, not an embrace of the far right.

2. The center and center/right is solidly pro-Israel.

3. The far right is given a disproportionate amount of attention to their numbers.

4. It is a mistake to conflate a majority of those who are dissatisfied with the direction of our country - both during Bush's big spending days and now particularly under Obama - with the far right.

5. Conservatives threw the likes of Buchanan out. WF Buckley types are far more representative of those on the right than freakazoids like Alex Jones.

1- There are factions inside the Tea Party that are "pro-amnesty" too, including none other than Dick Armey. And, while everybody is against big spending, things get a little more complicated when it's time to decide where to cut spending. This is why the Tea Party doesn't dare suggest specific spending cuts. That is, besides the repeal of ObamaCare -- which won't happen without a 60 seat majority in the Senate, and that will reduce the long term deficit according to CBO projections.

2- The center and center/right have a worse record when it comes to spending than Democrats. The fringe right is credibly committed to cut spending, but they aren't pro-Israel. Both center right and far right deny the influence of human activity in climate change.

3- Depending on what "far right" means, this may or may not be right. The anti-science views coming from the right have had a lot to say regarding the direction of our country lately.

4- Who's conflating?

5- What about Sarah Palin types? Jim Inhof types? Michelle Bachman types? Beck types? Limbaugh types? William Buckley these people are not.

246 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 11:48:30am

re: #235 albusteve

he's teaching at UNM...his wife is a PA, sweet setup

Sounds very nice. I wish him all the best.

247 albusteve  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 11:48:54am

re: #241 cliffster

Dude, soccer is unbelievably boring.

soccer should be banned in America....it's dumbing down our children
Ron Paul!

248 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 11:49:11am

re: #209 SanFranciscoZionist

Oh God. Look at this:

CINDY SHEEHAN and EMMA ROSENTHAL

Read selections and discuss their contributions to

SHIFTING SANDS:

JEWISH WOMEN CONFRONT THE ISRAELI OCCUPATION

The newly-released anthology of Jewish women’s voices for peace and justice.

Edited by Osie Gabriel Adelfang * Preface by Amira Hass * Foreword by Cindy Sheehan

CONTRIBUTORS: Anna Baltzer * Sandra Butler * Tomi Louise Clark * Linda Dittmer * Kim Goldberg * Susan Greene * Hedy Epstein * Maia Ettinger * Jen Marlowe *

Hannah Mermelstein * Emma Rosenthal * Alice Rothchild * Starhawk

- Published by Whole World Press

Cindy Sheehan's book Not One More Mother's Child and orders for pdf file of Myth America will be available at the events as well.

Join us for these three Los Angeles events June 12-13

Pathetic. These fools pretend the enemy is decent while castigating our defenders.

249 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 11:49:40am

re: #238 Obdicut

Yep. This is one reason that European criticism of Jewish treatment of Palestinians is very hard to take. The Roma have been systematically fucked over and are still being fucked over, everywhere in Europe.

Sweden sterilized the mentally ill (very, very loosely defined) between the 30's and 50's too.

Madonna got booed at a concert in Bucharest, for criticizing the way the Roma are treated in Europe.

Good on her.

250 albusteve  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 11:49:57am

re: #246 SanFranciscoZionist

Sounds very nice. I wish him all the best.

he will still treat me....I have his cell number, heh

251 Varek Raith  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 11:50:01am

re: #247 albusteve

soccer should be banned in America...it's dumbing down our children
Ron Paul!

RON PAUL SOCCER!
KICK A SOLID GOLD BALL!

252 albusteve  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 11:51:36am

re: #249 SanFranciscoZionist

Madonna got booed at a concert in Bucharest, for criticizing the way the Roma are treated in Europe.

Good on her.

she's an idiot, hardly a spokesperson for anything...
a pseudo spokesperson

253 cliffster  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 11:51:42am

re: #243 JasonA

Try having this one stuck in your head.


[Video]

That's better than having this stuck in your head

254 Obdicut  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 11:52:01am

re: #249 SanFranciscoZionist

Yep. I bought her album after she did that.

Then I gave it to someone else, but it's still very good on her. Not many people know about the Roma situation, and, sadly, a lot of people manage to blame the Roma for their own persecution, using language almost identical to that which was used to blame the Jews.

255 Ojoe  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 11:52:07am

re: #220 Killgore Trout

Notice that health care has been "passed" but they're still writing it, and we don't know what it will really be, yet.

This is not good government.

256 wrenchwench  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 11:53:14am

re: #250 albusteve

he will still treat me...I have his cell number, heh

Obama allows that?

257 ryannon  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 11:53:26am

re: #252 albusteve

she's an idiot, hardly a spokesperson for anything...
a pseudo spokesperson

Thank goodness we've got Lady Gaga.

259 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 11:54:16am

re: #31 NJDhockeyfan

No, they were much worse...Bush = Hitler, Bush is a Nazi, Betray Us, etc...we got 8 solid years of that from the left-wing blogs.

because a blogger getting death threats merely for his opinions is exactly the same as the president being called inflammatory things that are not death threats in any way

God so dumb

260 lostlakehiker  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 11:54:23am

re: #45 HoosierHoops

30 minutes until England vs. USA in the World Cup..
If Soccer is ever going to be popular here we need to change the Format..
We need tons of Beer and pizza ads during the game.. And never..and I mean never end in a tie.. I don't care if you have to go all rugby on us in OT.. No ties.
It's the only way to get us guys to talk around the water cooler in the morning..

It would also help if the U.S. could manage to go a whole 3 minutes from the start without being scored on.

Sigh.

261 Varek Raith  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 11:55:28am

re: #260 lostlakehiker

It would also help if the U.S. could manage to go a whole 3 minutes from the start without being scored on.

Sigh.

America, Fuck Yeah!
XD

262 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 11:56:12am

Out for lunch, BBL

263 wrenchwench  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 11:56:20am

re: #230 goddamnedfrank

I would prefer the term Scoop Jackson Democrat, because he was a huge influence on the neo-cons, and because the real neo-cons have so thoroughly trashed their own brand.

Well, I recall Scoop Jackson as being "The senator from Boeing", and we may disagree about how trashed the neocon brand is. I don't hate Dick Cheney, for instance.

But I'll take it under advisement.

264 researchok  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 11:57:31am

With so much room in the blogosphere for real diversity and differences of opinion it is an absolute travesty that some people will undermine the platform on which they stand.

Take Charles to task for his ideas. Take him to task for his opinions. Disagree vehemently with his politics or debate the impact of global warming over the next 50 years.

LGF has proved to be a foundation in the world of blogging. The community here is like few others online. There are smart readers and opinions that span a spectrum. Scores of other blogs that span the political and ideological spectrum were started because of LGF.

That LGF and CJ have become such an object of obsession and vitriol does not diminish LGF or CJ. Those who make a point of making it personal are shooting the messenger because they can't diminish the message and no amount of personal criticism will change that truth.

Too many bloggers and others have painted themselves into a corner because they worked themselves into a frenzy and got aboard an overloaded bandwagon without thinking things things through (this applies across the board). The recent ugly knee jerk treatment of LGF by those on the right and left are testament to that.

Those are called character scars.

265 Obdicut  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 11:58:25am

You know, I bet the 'activists' heading to Gaza could actually do some good in the world if, instead, they headed to Turkey, Greece, Italy, Czechoslovakia, Serbia, Bosnia, and all the other places in Europe where the Roma are being persecuted and protested their treatment.


That's too close to home, I guess.

266 Mocking Jay  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 11:59:03am

Kos' hatemail is getting much more creative.

[Link: www.dailykos.com...]

267 Obdicut  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 11:59:24am

And now I'm out to get my wedding suit fitted by wonderful Russian Jewish tailors.

268 researchok  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 12:01:19pm

re: #265 Obdicut

You know, I bet the 'activists' heading to Gaza could actually do some good in the world if, instead, they headed to Turkey, Greece, Italy, Czechoslovakia, Serbia, Bosnia, and all the other places in Europe where the Roma are being persecuted and protested their treatment.

That's too close to home, I guess.

Obdi, see this before you go:

Iran's Occupied Territories

269 Targetpractice  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 12:01:25pm

re: #264 researchok

Fuckin' A, Bubba!

270 Ojoe  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 12:01:39pm

Soros has contributed to help better the lot of the Roma by the way.

271 Nimed  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 12:02:32pm

re: #232 Obdicut

re: #249 SanFranciscoZionist

Please guys, don't say Europe. There are not such policies in the majority of European countries. It's as if Lebanon decided to adopt some awful policy and people talked about it using the expression "Middle-Easterners".

Ok, this is a specious comparison, since the EU has a Charter of Fundamental Rights. But you get my meaning.

272 Øyvind Strømmen  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 12:02:47pm

re: #30 Dark_Falcon

A lovely quote you've found there. Funny thing is, I live in Norway, a country where Obama would probably have been a member of the Conservative party. Our minister of Children, Integration and Equality (some portfolio) - Audun Lysbakken - represents the Socialist Left party, and he is pretty much a Marxist. Not "a Marxist" as in Tea Party newspeak, but a Marxist as in:

The most important criteria for socialism to succeed is the end of private property rights on the means of production. Meaning that the capitalists should have their companies, their offices and their factories confiscated.

(Lysbakken, 2002).

(I have to note that I was a member of the same youth movement as Lysbakken in 2001, and that I wrote some pretty hardcore socialist stuff myself, too. Yet: I left. He stayed).

In spite of having a Marxist minister and a government which by American standards would be considered rather hard left, about the only people that actually believe there are "death camps" in Norway are usually also 911 troofers, often outright anti-Semites and remarkably often fans of Ron Paul.

273 lostlakehiker  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 12:03:17pm

re: #185 blueraven

A White House official told IBD: "This is a draft document, and we will be releasing the final regulation when it is complete. The president made a promise to the American people that if they liked their health care plan, they can keep it. The regulation, when finalized, will uphold that promise."
However, the source conceded: "It is difficult to predict how plans and employers will behave in the coming years, but if plans make changes that negatively impact consumers, then they will lose their grandfather status

What is the problem? Plans that make changes that negatively impact consumers might lose their grandfather status?

The problem is that essentially all the individually sold policies and plans now in existence will founder. How can they survive?

The account below exaggerates the problem so that it can be understood better, but a watered down version of this problem will suffice to ensure a watered down slow demise to these plans. Here's the problem:


The rational play from the consumer side is to go without insurance and pay the fine. The fine is cheaper.

Then, if you do get sick, sick enough that paying cash is problematic, you buy insurance. Health insurance plans had a defense to this scheme up til now; they didn't cover preexisting conditions. But not any more. So they enroll you, and you go straight into the hospital and get your surgery, and then you drop your insurance again.

This is called "adverse selection". Almost everyone actually enrolled in the plan will be very sick, and the plan's costs will far outstrip its premium income. It will fail.

274 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 12:03:22pm

re: #252 albusteve

she's an idiot, hardly a spokesperson for anything...
a pseudo spokesperson

She said something, and she has a big audience. Idiot she may be, but no one else is saying shit about the Roma.

275 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 12:04:53pm

re: #255 Ojoe

Notice that health care has been "passed" but they're still writing it, and we don't know what it will really be, yet.

This is not good government.

There's nothing new going on.

276 cliffster  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 12:05:02pm

re: #267 Obdicut

And now I'm out to get my wedding suit fitted by wonderful Russian Jewish tailors.

commie jews? Oh man, you're in for it.

tick tock...

277 researchok  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 12:05:26pm

re: #273 lostlakehiker

The problem is that essentially all the individually sold policies and plans now in existence will founder. How can they survive?

The account below exaggerates the problem so that it can be understood better, but a watered down version of this problem will suffice to ensure a watered down slow demise to these plans. Here's the problem:

The rational play from the consumer side is to go without insurance and pay the fine. The fine is cheaper.

Then, if you do get sick, sick enough that paying cash is problematic, you buy insurance. Health insurance plans had a defense to this scheme up til now; they didn't cover preexisting conditions. But not any more. So they enroll you, and you go straight into the hospital and get your surgery, and then you drop your insurance again.

This is called "adverse selection". Almost everyone actually enrolled in the plan will be very sick, and the plan's costs will far outstrip its premium income. It will fail.

Yeah, it's never really been about the health care. It's about the money, across the board.

278 Varek Raith  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 12:05:33pm

re: #275 Killgore Trout

There's nothing new going on.

FEMA Camps, man!
FEMA Camps!
///

279 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 12:06:22pm

re: #261 Varek Raith

America, Fuck Yeah!
XD

I keep thinking that eventually we're going to get enough immigrant kids who actually care about the game to do well in one of these things.

But I still won't care much.

I am, however, surrounded by passionate soccer fans at work, so I have to be polite about it.

280 Varek Raith  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 12:07:30pm

re: #279 SanFranciscoZionist

I keep thinking that eventually we're going to get enough immigrant kids who actually care about the game to do well in one of these things.

But I still won't care much.

I am, however, surrounded by passionate soccer fans at work, so I have to be polite about it.

Heh, the only "sport" I find amusing to watch are the ones that involve remote controlled robots smashing each other up.

281 Nimed  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 12:08:13pm

re: #266 JasonA

Kos' hatemail is getting much more creative.

[Link: www.dailykos.com...]

Eh eh.

You know what you should do? Run for president in 2012! SRsly! you could win! Obama is so unpopular (maybe 30% approaval in 2012) that he would lose to a ticket with sarah palins mutant baby and Hugo chavez.

Sound like a dream ticket to me!

282 lostlakehiker  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 12:08:40pm

re: #272 oslogin

A lovely quote you've found there. Funny thing is, I live in Norway, a country where Obama would probably have been a member of the Conservative party. Our minister of Children, Integration and Equality (some portfolio) - Audun Lysbakken - represents the Socialist Left party, and he is pretty much a Marxist. Not "a Marxist" as in Tea Party newspeak, but a Marxist as in:

(Lysbakken, 2002).

(I have to note that I was a member of the same youth movement as Lysbakken in 2001, and that I wrote some pretty hardcore socialist stuff myself, too. Yet: I left. He stayed).

In spite of having a Marxist minister and a government which by American standards would be considered rather hard left, about the only people that actually believe there are "death camps" in Norway are usually also 911 troofers, often outright anti-Semites and remarkably often fans of Ron Paul.

Some time ago I posted that all the forcible rapes in Oslo over the past 3 years had been the work of persons not of ethnic Norwegian background. I had read this somewhere but lost track of the link, thinking it would be simple enough to find on search. But no such luck. Was I too credulous and there's no basis for that , or was I just bad at searching?

283 Only The Lurker Knows  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 12:08:50pm

Afternoon Lizards. Just had a Census worker show up at our door. Was asking the same questions that were on the short form. I told him that we had already sent in the form. He stated they hadn't received it, thus he was sent out to dbl check. I made the comment that USPS sucked. He replied, I can't make a reply (about the USPS), but I agree (wtf?). I loved his response when he asked me our (Wife and mine) Race and I said "Human". he replied, and, I paraphrase "I have been getting that alot. But he wrote it down.

Sanity, It does exist.

284 Varek Raith  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 12:09:50pm

BBL.

285 Nimed  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 12:10:48pm

England-1 USA-0. Bummer. :(

286 OldnGrumpy  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 12:11:36pm

Gooooooooaaaaaaaaallllllllll

Go USA!

287 Øyvind Strømmen  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 12:12:17pm

re: #238 Obdicut

Sweden sterilized the mentally ill (very, very loosely defined) between the 30's and 50's too.

True. But in the 1930s Germany was called Nazi Germany, the Soviet Union was doing just swell, Cuba had a de facto ruler by the name of Batista, Israel did not exist and China was anything but a communist country. So, I don't know how relevant it is to a debate about Israeli policies taking place between 60 and 80 years later.

Not that the Sinti are treated that well in parts of today's Europe either, but forced sterilisations isn't really on the agenda in Sweden anymore. Europe has evolved.

288 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 12:13:50pm

re: #271 Nimed

re: #249 SanFranciscoZionist

Please guys, don't say Europe. There are not such policies in the majority of European countries. It's as if Lebanon decided to adopt some awful policy and people talked about it using the expression "Middle-Easterners".

Ok, this is a specious comparison, since the EU has a Charter of Fundamental Rights. But you get my meaning.

I wasn't talking specifically about sterilization issues, but prejudice in general, but point taken.

289 researchok  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 12:15:45pm

re: #282 lostlakehiker

Some time ago I posted that all the forcible rapes in Oslo over the past 3 years had been the work of persons not of ethnic Norwegian background. I had read this somewhere but lost track of the link, thinking it would be simple enough to find on search. But no such luck. Was I too credulous and there's no basis for that , or was I just bad at searching?

The problem is centered around Sweden and Denmark, I believe.

The numbers are controversial, but in fact there is a higher incidence of crime among immigrant populations (that is true in most places).

290 Nimed  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 12:16:24pm

re: #286 OldnGrumpy

Goooaaalll

Go USA!

GOOOHOOOOHOOOHAAAHAAALLL!!!
Dempsey scores from afar!
{OldnGrumpy}

U S A! U S A! U S A!
I'm getting a beer. bbiab.

291 ryannon  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 12:18:07pm

re: #287 oslogin

True. But in the 1930s Germany was called Nazi Germany, the Soviet Union was doing just swell, Cuba had a de facto ruler by the name of Batista, Israel did not exist and China was anything but a communist country. So, I don't know how relevant it is to a debate about Israeli policies taking place between 60 and 80 years later.

Not that the Sinti are treated that well in parts of today's Europe either, but forced sterilisations isn't really on the agenda in Sweden anymore. Europe has evolved.

For sure.

EU presidency urges 'strong, joint' Gaza position

292 OldnGrumpy  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 12:20:06pm

Halftime

USA-1,England-1

USA all the way!

293 swamprat  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 12:24:10pm

re: #292 OldnGrumpy

Why come ye hither, Redcoats,
Your minds what madness fills?
In our valleys there is danger,
And there's danger in our hills.


/traditional song

294 Øyvind Strømmen  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 12:24:18pm

re: #282 lostlakehiker

Some time ago I posted that all the forcible rapes in Oslo over the past 3 years had been the work of persons not of ethnic Norwegian background. I had read this somewhere but lost track of the link, thinking it would be simple enough to find on search. But no such luck. Was I too credulous and there's no basis for that , or was I just bad at searching?

A bit of both, really. The statistics you are thinking about relate to socalled overfallsvoldtekter (meaning someone is literally attacked and raped "out in the open", excluding date-rapes, rapes where the perp was in a relation to the victim, etc). There were 41 cases like that in Oslo, and in those cases the perps reported - but not necessarily caught - have been described as "of non-Western origin". In a number of cases, serial rapists were or were probably behind the crime. If you're looking at the total number of rapes, however, the figures are different.

Couldn't find a solid English source for you right now, but there are lots of Norwegian sources. Here's an article in Aftenposten, the biggest newspaper in Norway: [Link: www.aftenposten.no...]

295 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 12:24:21pm
296 Nimed  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 12:27:28pm

Ok, we have to admit the Brit goalkeeper did us a big favor. :D

Turn on the TV and tune in to ABC, people.

297 bratwurst  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 12:28:57pm

re: #296 Nimed

Ok, we have to admit the Brit goalkeeper did us a big favor. :D

Turn on the TV and tune in to ABC, people.

No doubt, but it doesn't happen if Deuce is not man enough to challenge him from that distance. Over all, we played respectably the last half hour. Clark and Findley need to get off the pitch if we have a hope of getting something out of this though.

298 Nimed  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 12:29:33pm

re: #295 SanFranciscoZionist

Rape Statistics In Oslo Revisited

Gah!

That's why we wouldn't let Norway in the EU. Yep, that was it.

299 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 12:29:50pm

re: #282 lostlakehiker

Some time ago I posted that all the forcible rapes in Oslo over the past 3 years had been the work of persons not of ethnic Norwegian background. I had read this somewhere but lost track of the link, thinking it would be simple enough to find on search. But no such luck. Was I too credulous and there's no basis for that , or was I just bad at searching?

It was actually a total falsehood and completely wrong, and we told you that at the time

300 KDS1  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 12:29:55pm

re: #296 Nimed

Ok, we have to admit the Brit goalkeeper did us a big favor. :D

Turn on the TV and tune in to ABC, people.

They don't have better goalies... their in real trouble there.

301 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 12:30:13pm

re: #215 Killgore Trout

Check out this chick...
Should drug addicts be paid to be sterilised?


Anyone heard of her before?

[Link: www.projectprevention.org...]

302 Øyvind Strømmen  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 12:30:29pm

re: #291 ryannon

For sure.

EU presidency urges 'strong, joint' Gaza position

That has very little to do with forced sterilisations.

303 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 12:30:39pm

re: #295 SanFranciscoZionist

Rape Statistics In Oslo Revisited

The rapes-all-commited-by-immigrants thing is one of those zombie lies, we keep seeing it pop up!

304 sergeant major  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 12:32:04pm

OT: Alvin Greene wins Democratic nomination for Senate.
This guy is a real winner. There were other links I just used the first one.
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

305 cliffster  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 12:32:21pm

re: #296 Nimed

Ok, we have to admit the Brit goalkeeper did us a big favor. :D

Turn on the TV and tune in to ABC, people.

I think he went to sleep. That happens when you're watching soccer, but I didn't know it happened when you're playing it.

306 Nimed  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 12:33:09pm

re: #300 KDS1

(whispering)
I think so too, but I don't want to jinx it.

307 Nimed  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 12:34:30pm

re: #305 cliffster

I think he went to sleep. That happens when you're watching soccer, but I didn't know it happened when you're playing it.

Well, the goalkeeper does spend most of the time watching the game...

308 cliffster  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 12:35:06pm

re: #304 sergeant major

OT: Alvin Greene wins Democratic nomination for Senate.
This guy is a real winner. There were other links I just used the first one.
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

Dems are demanding an investigation - they claim it has to be a republican plant. GOP meddling illegally in politics.. it's such a transparent attempt to point the finger away from Obama's election briberies.

309 ryannon  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 12:35:45pm

re: #302 oslogin

That has very little to do with forced sterilisations.

True. But it does has something to do with Europe.

You made your point, and I'm making mine - not necessarily related, other than the common issue of Europe.

It's not a diversionary tactic, it's looking at the bigger picture - and noted in passing.

310 KDS1  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 12:36:22pm

re: #305 cliffster

I think he went to sleep. That happens when you're watching soccer, but I didn't know it happened when you're playing it.

So what is your sport?

311 brookly red  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 12:37:05pm

re: #308 cliffster

Dems are demanding an investigation - they claim it has to be a republican plant. GOP meddling illegally in politics.. it's such a transparent attempt to point the finger away from Obama's election briberies.

I don't see what the big deal is... he got the most votes so he won.

312 cliffster  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 12:37:06pm

re: #307 Nimed

Well, the goalkeeper does spend most of the time watching the game...

I would enjoy soccer a lot more if they had cheerleaders.


re: #310 KDS1

So what is your sport?

Golf. How ironic is that?

313 KDS1  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 12:38:09pm

re: #312 cliffster

Very. Mostly because it's not even a sport.

314 Nimed  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 12:39:12pm

Fuck! The Brits are pressing A LOT now.

315 Sergeant Major  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 12:39:32pm

re: #310 KDS1

re: #310 KDS1

So what is your sport?

why littlegreen "FOOTBALL" of course.

316 cliffster  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 12:39:32pm

re: #313 KDS1

Very. Mostly because it's not even a sport.

Yeah you're right. Soccer is more of a punishment than a sport.

317 Øyvind Strømmen  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 12:40:13pm

re: #298 Nimed

Gah!

That's why we wouldn't let Norway in the EU. Yep, that was it.

You did want Norway in the EU (or at least or oil). It was the Norwegians that voted to stay out. Too bad.

318 Targetpractice  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 12:40:50pm

re: #311 brookly red

I don't see what the big deal is... he got the most votes so he won.

The Dem accusation is that the GOP got Greene on the ticket, knowing he's got a felony charge he's still got to face, in order to keep DeMint from being challenged come November. They say that the guy being unemployed makes his pulling together the money to get on the ballot, along with the fact that he spent nothing on campaigning, is proof of GOP voter fraud.

319 Nimed  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 12:41:26pm

FUCK!! THANK GOD FOR HOWARD.

320 Mocking Jay  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 12:41:48pm

re: #311 brookly red

I don't see what the big deal is... he got the most votes so he won.

I'm a Dem and I have no trouble hanging this on the neck of the SC Democratic Party.

And it's not like they had a chance of unseating of DeMint.

321 KDS1  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 12:41:52pm

re: #316 cliffster

Yeah you're right. Soccer is more of a punishment than a sport.

I must say, there are some great athletes in golf...

Image: golf-fat.jpg

Image: FatBoy1_299.jpg

322 cliffster  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 12:42:00pm

re: #319 Nimed

FUCK!! THANK GOD FOR HOWARD.

that was some wicked quickness. nice save

323 Nimed  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 12:42:20pm

re: #317 oslogin

I. Know. No need to rub it in, dude...

324 brookly red  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 12:43:46pm

re: #318 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

The Dem accusation is that the GOP got Greene on the ticket, knowing he's got a felony charge he's still got to face, in order to keep DeMint from being challenged come November. They say that the guy being unemployed makes his pulling together the money to get on the ballot, along with the fact that he spent nothing on campaigning, is proof of GOP voter fraud.

perhaps it is true, but it is something that they should have brought up before the votes were cast.

325 cliffster  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 12:44:15pm

re: #321 KDS1

I must say, there are some great athletes in golf...

Image: golf-fat.jpg

Image: FatBoy1_299.jpg

Yeah, and look at how many tournaments John Daly has once since acquiring that marvelous physique..

326 Targetpractice  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 12:46:19pm

re: #324 brookly red

perhaps it is true, but it is something that they should have brought up before the votes were cast.

That's why they're demanding an investigation, because they claim there's no way this guy who spent no money on campaigning could have pulled together enough votes to beat the establishment candidate. That this totally unknown candidate's win is proof that the GOP stuffed the ballot box and got him on the ticket, knowing he'll either fail to beat DeMint or he'll be off the ticket/out of office if he gets convicted on the felony charge.

327 brookly red  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 12:46:49pm

re: #320 JasonA

I'm a Dem and I have no trouble hanging this on the neck of the SC Democratic Party.

And it's not like they had a chance of unseating of DeMint.

If the unemployment there is as bad as here he might just win.

328 cliffster  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 12:47:51pm

re: #326 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

That's why they're demanding an investigation, because they claim there's no way this guy who spent no money on campaigning could have pulled together enough votes to beat the establishment candidate. That this totally unknown candidate's win is proof that the GOP stuffed the ballot box and got him on the ticket, knowing he'll either fail to beat DeMint or he'll be off the ticket/out of office if he gets convicted on the felony charge.

hahahahaha oh those loony liberals. They should get Cindy Sheehan to lead the investigation.

329 researchok  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 12:47:51pm

re: #326 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

That's why they're demanding an investigation, because they claim there's no way this guy who spent no money on campaigning could have pulled together enough votes to beat the establishment candidate. That this totally unknown candidate's win is proof that the GOP stuffed the ballot box and got him on the ticket, knowing he'll either fail to beat DeMint or he'll be off the ticket/out of office if he gets convicted on the felony charge.

'Proof the GOP stuffed the ballot box?'

You're kidding, right?

330 Nimed  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 12:49:33pm

We're attacking now... sort of.

331 brookly red  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 12:49:59pm

re: #326 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

That's why they're demanding an investigation, because they claim there's no way this guy who spent no money on campaigning could have pulled together enough votes to beat the establishment candidate. That this totally unknown candidate's win is proof that the GOP stuffed the ballot box and got him on the ticket, knowing he'll either fail to beat DeMint or he'll be off the ticket/out of office if he gets convicted on the felony charge.

somehow I think that if that proof existed we would be hearing it in the media 24/7.

332 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 12:50:07pm

re: #325 cliffster

Yeah, and look at how many tournaments John Daly has once since acquiring that marvelous physique..

He still beating on women?

333 Targetpractice  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 12:50:33pm

re: #329 researchok

'Proof the GOP stuffed the ballot box?'

You're kidding, right?

I gotta admit, I am curious myself as to whether it's true. I'm not saying I believe it, but I've been unemployed since March. And if I had $10,000 in my bank account, I wouldn't blow it all running a campaign for US Senate. Hell, I don't think I'd be lucky to find anybody who'd loan me $100, let alone $10,000.

334 bratwurst  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 12:51:11pm

Wasted opportunity on the set piece there.

335 researchok  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 12:51:36pm

re: #326 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

That's why they're demanding an investigation, because they claim there's no way this guy who spent no money on campaigning could have pulled together enough votes to beat the establishment candidate. That this totally unknown candidate's win is proof that the GOP stuffed the ballot box and got him on the ticket, knowing he'll either fail to beat DeMint or he'll be off the ticket/out of office if he gets convicted on the felony charge.

The better question is how the candidate was not vetted by the party. That's the real question.

336 Targetpractice  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 12:51:54pm

re: #331 brookly red

somehow I think that if that proof existed we would be hearing it in the media 24/7.

Hence the call for an investigation. Could simply be a case of sour grapes.

337 cliffster  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 12:52:12pm

re: #332 MandyManners

He still beating on women?

Aw Mandy - come now. He is a good man.

[Link: sports.espn.go.com...]

338 brookly red  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 12:52:23pm

re: #333 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I gotta admit, I am curious myself as to whether it's true. I'm not saying I believe it, but I've been unemployed since March. And if I had $10,000 in my bank account, I wouldn't blow it all running a campaign for US Senate. Hell, I don't think I'd be lucky to find anybody who'd loan me $100, let alone $10,000.

Oh he may very well be a plant, but if the plant is the people's choice so be it.

339 researchok  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 12:52:56pm

re: #333 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I gotta admit, I am curious myself as to whether it's true. I'm not saying I believe it, but I've been unemployed since March. And if I had $10,000 in my bank account, I wouldn't blow it all running a campaign for US Senate. Hell, I don't think I'd be lucky to find anybody who'd loan me $100, let alone $10,000.

I want to know how and why he wasn't vetted.

You can't run for the School Board without being vetted.

340 Nimed  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 12:53:11pm

re: #334 bratwurst

Wasted opportunity on the set piece there.

Yeah. That kind of header is very hard to pull off.

Jesus, 2 more scares while I write tis.

341 Targetpractice  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 12:53:20pm

re: #335 researchok

The better question is how the candidate was not vetted by the party. That's the real question.

The guy's retired military, unemployed, living at home with his folks. They probably decided that he was some random fool blowing his money and didn't take the threat seriously.

342 Øyvind Strømmen  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 12:53:21pm

re: #323 Nimed

I. Know. No need to rub it in, dude...

I feel the same way everytime someone from a EU member turns up who actually is aware that we're not members, and points this out. I'm much more comfortable pretending that we're members, since we get all the directives anyway.

Did I mention that our oil production has peaked? Soon, we'll be knocking at your door.

343 cliffster  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 12:53:41pm

US goalie getting a workout

344 Nimed  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 12:54:00pm

OH MY GOD!!! HOW COULD WE WASTE THIS CHANCE??!

345 brookly red  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 12:54:27pm

re: #336 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Hence the call for an investigation. Could simply be a case of sour grapes.

well I don't see the powers that be all that ready to investigate... maybe they know something.

346 Targetpractice  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 12:55:39pm

re: #345 brookly red

well I don't see the powers that be all that ready to investigate... maybe they know something.

Always possible. Or could simply be that they believe they have bigger fish to fry and are focusing on races they believe they have a real chance of winning.

347 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 12:55:57pm

re: #337 cliffster

Aw Mandy - come now. He is a good man.

[Link: sports.espn.go.com...]

I'm sorry but, any woman who beats his spouse is not a good man. But, I'm prejudiced on the issue.

348 researchok  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 12:56:09pm

re: #341 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

The guy's retired military, unemployed, living at home with his folks. They probably decided that he was some random fool blowing his money and didn't take the threat seriously.

If that's true, they have no one to blame but themselves.

But I still think he ought to have been vetted. The party has to know if there are any skeletons. I'll bet there are no unknown candidates are not vetted.

349 cliffster  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 12:57:25pm

re: #345 brookly red

well I don't see the powers that be all that ready to investigate... maybe they know something.

It's all about trying to turn around the attention given to Obama's election transgressions. The same people trying to blow off Obama's very bad behavior are trying to trump up this stupid story. It's so transparent.

350 researchok  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 12:57:43pm

Besides, if he were really a plant someone would offer him 10k plusto admit it and thus embarrass the GOP.

351 brookly red  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 12:57:45pm

re: #346 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Always possible. Or could simply be that they believe they have bigger fish to fry and are focusing on races they believe they have a real chance of winning.

are you serious? if they had a snowman's chance in hell of proving voter fraud they would be on it like stink on shit.

352 ryannon  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 12:57:51pm

re: #342 oslogin

I feel the same way everytime someone from a EU member turns up who actually is aware that we're not members, and points this out. I'm much more comfortable pretending that we're members, since we get all the directives anyway.

Did I mention that our oil production has peaked? Soon, we'll be knocking at your door.

Good luck with that: most of the EU is bankrupt - or will be in the near future.

353 Nimed  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 12:58:02pm

re: #342 oslogin

So tell me, Norway belongs to which Group in the World Cup?

Eh eh... :p

354 Targetpractice  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 12:58:06pm

re: #348 researchok

If that's true, they have no one to blame but themselves.

But I still think he ought to have been vetted. The party has to know if there are any skeletons. I'll bet there are no unknown candidates are not vetted.

Oh, I'm sure both sides are doing a great deal of dumpster diving right now, looking for anything and everything they can find on this guy. If nothing else, the fact that he beat out the establishment candidate is cause for alarm, if not suspicion.

355 cliffster  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 12:58:26pm

re: #347 MandyManners

I'm sorry but, any woman who beats his spouse is not a good man. But, I'm prejudiced on the issue.

I don't think you worded that the way you wanted to. Also, I agree with you, but there's nothing other than the word of a very unreliable woman to say that he ever beat anyone.

356 Øyvind Strømmen  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:00:43pm

re: #353 Nimed

So tell me, Norway belongs to which Group in the World Cup?

Eh eh... :p

Hmpf.

We're great at curling.

357 Nimed  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:00:50pm

Geesh... We're against the ropes again.

If we lose this game, we should just invade England.

358 Targetpractice  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:00:54pm

re: #351 brookly red

are you serious? if they had a snowman's chance in hell of proving voter fraud they would be on it like stink on shit.

The state party is up in arms, but the folks in Washington have got to pick their battles. They've got the most seats to lose and thus have to focus their priorities and resources on seats they either are in danger of losing or can potentially flip. Besides, they've got so many other things on their plates, including bills crawling through the bowels of both houses and the Deep Horizon spill, that they can't spend much time on an investigation that might not be finished before November and could wind up going nowhere.

359 Targetpractice  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:01:15pm

re: #357 Nimed

Geesh... We're against the ropes again.

If we lose this game, we should just invade England.

...but they have no oil.

/

360 cliffster  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:01:27pm

re: #357 Nimed

Geesh... We're against the ropes again.

If we lose this game, we should just invade England.

and then tax them without representation..

361 Øyvind Strømmen  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:02:13pm

re: #352 ryannon

Good luck with that: most of the EU is bankrupt - or will be in the near future.

Then the world economy will go down the drain. I'd better watch those Mad Max-movies again.

362 researchok  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:02:35pm

This game is a nail biter

363 brookly red  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:02:57pm

re: #354 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Oh, I'm sure both sides are doing a great deal of dumpster diving right now, looking for anything and everything they can find on this guy. If nothing else, the fact that he beat out the establishment candidate is cause for alarm, if not suspicion.

yup the establishment is not so popular right now and they should be alarmed... gee it's kinda like a democrat tea party.

364 ryannon  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:03:29pm

re: #361 oslogin

Then the world economy will go down the drain. I'd better watch those Mad Max-movies again.

and BUY GOLD!

/

365 Bagua  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:03:38pm

Bump: Peace Jihad

re: #479 NJDhockeyfan

This is alarming if true...

Lebanese Threaten Mass March on Israeli Border

This is an escalation of the Intifada strategy. First to create the situation where Israeli soldiers have to fight using only riot control techniques, any use of firearms, even when attacked with metal pipes, rocks or knives will result in condemnation by the international community. Then these infiltration techniques mount, become a swarm, combined with an intifada type uprising in Israel.

As we saw with the Aid Boat Jihad, 15 Israelis armed with non-lethal weapons can not control 50 peace activists attacking them with metal pipes, knives, stun grenades, Molotov cocktails, bottles, and guns. The Israelis will be have no choice but to use deadly force. The international community, especially the EU, UN and the media, will howl and demonise Israel on cue.

These peace Jihadis are not marching on Israel in order to put flowers in their guns, they are not interested in equal rights, they intend to slit the Jews throats and beat them to death. Eventually. That is the goal in stages. But first the Israelis must be harried, terrorised, demonised, weakened and exhausted on all fronts, political, financial and military.

With all this pressure to delegitimise and harass Israel from all sides. How can they focus their military to fend off missiles and mortars from Hezbollah and Hamas, with their patrons Syria and Iran looming with still greater threats.

The Israeli military, intelligence and government will be too preoccupied with the swarming peace Jihad and answering all the blood libels.

The vile international community and media will be too occupied with fabrications of Israeli war crimes each time the Israelis use minimum force to ward off a beating, knifing, abduction, missile, rocket and mortar attack.

How can a tiny country the size of New Jersey with a Jewish population about half the population of New York City survive against an endless Jihad on all fronts, military media, and political?

366 Mocking Jay  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:03:46pm

re: #364 ryannon

and BUY GOLD!

/

Non-hybrid gold?

367 Nimed  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:03:48pm

re: #359 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

...but they have no oil.

/

Yeah. Fortunately, they make up for it with their great cuisine.

368 brookly red  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:04:18pm

re: #358 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

The state party is up in arms, but the folks in Washington have got to pick their battles. They've got the most seats to lose and thus have to focus their priorities and resources on seats they either are in danger of losing or can potentially flip. Besides, they've got so many other things on their plates, including bills crawling through the bowels of both houses and the Deep Horizon spill, that they can't spend much time on an investigation that might not be finished before November and could wind up going nowhere.

no way. if this had legs it would stand up.

369 Targetpractice  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:04:24pm

re: #367 Nimed

Yeah. Fortunately, they make up for it with their great cuisine.

Wait, are invading England or Italy?

370 Mocking Jay  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:04:27pm

re: #367 Nimed

Yeah. Fortunately, they make up for it with their great cuisine.

Mmmm... blood pudding...

371 bratwurst  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:04:40pm

Good lord...this is going to be the longest 15 minutes of my life!

372 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:04:48pm

re: #329 researchok

'Proof the GOP stuffed the ballot box?'

You're kidding, right?

Yeah I don't buy that either. The perverts name appeared first on the ballot and the establishment candidate wasn't apparently that well known either. At the very least though, if a poison pill candidate was given money to insert himself into the Dem primary by a GOP operative that should come out as part of the context. If that is what happened then it would be fairer to simply let Demint run unopposed than let this asshole drag down the entire slate of dem candidates across the state. But elections aren't about fair. Still it would be nice to know who exactly gave money to a broke, unemployed man suspected of exposing himself to a child.
re: #350 researchok

Besides, if he were really a plant someone would offer him 10k plusto admit it and thus embarrass the GOP.

If you pay him his story becomes even more suspect.

As far as dirty tricks go, this is one of the absolute best I've ever seen. I'm tempted to stand up and applaud.

373 researchok  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:04:53pm

re: #365 Bagua

Bump: Peace Jihad

This is an escalation of the Intifada strategy. First to create the situation where Israeli soldiers have to fight using only riot control techniques, any use of firearms, even when attacked with metal pipes, rocks or knives will result in condemnation by the international community. Then these infiltration techniques mount, become a swarm, combined with an intifada type uprising in Israel.

As we saw with the Aid Boat Jihad, 15 Israelis armed with non-lethal weapons can not control 50 peace activists attacking them with metal pipes, knives, stun grenades, Molotov cocktails, bottles, and guns. The Israelis will be have no choice but to use deadly force. The international community, especially the EU, UN and the media, will howl and demonise Israel on cue.

These peace Jihadis are not marching on Israel in order to put flowers in their guns, they are not interested in equal rights, they intend to slit the Jews throats and beat them to death. Eventually. That is the goal in stages. But first the Israelis must be harried, terrorised, demonised, weakened and exhausted on all fronts, political, financial and military.

With all this pressure to delegitimise and harass Israel from all sides. How can they focus their military to fend off missiles and mortars from Hezbollah and Hamas, with their patrons Syria and Iran looming with still greater threats.

The Israeli military, intelligence and government will be too preoccupied with the swarming peace Jihad and answering all the blood libels.

The vile international community and media will be too occupied with fabrications of Israeli war crimes each time the Israelis use minimum force to ward off a beating, knifing, abduction, missile, rocket and mortar attack.

How can a tiny country the size of New Jersey with a Jewish population about half the population of New York City survive against an endless Jihad on all fronts, military media, and political?

Line up the water hoses.

374 Targetpractice  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:05:11pm

re: #361 oslogin

Then the world economy will go down the drain. I'd better watch those Mad Max-movies again.

375 ryannon  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:05:20pm

re: #365 Bagua

I think you just answered your own question.

376 Nimed  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:05:53pm

Howard is the clearly best US player so far. Not a very good omen...

377 cliffster  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:05:59pm

re: #358 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

The state party is up in arms, but the folks in Washington have got to pick their battles. They've got the most seats to lose and thus have to focus their priorities and resources on seats they either are in danger of losing or can potentially flip. Besides, they've got so many other things on their plates, including bills crawling through the bowels of both houses and the Deep Horizon spill, that they can't spend much time on an investigation that might not be finished before November and could wind up going nowhere.

The Democrats just selected a complete loser to represent them, and they're pissed about it. That is all there is to it.

378 albusteve  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:06:57pm

re: #365 Bagua

Bump: Peace Jihad

This is an escalation of the Intifada strategy. First to create the situation where Israeli soldiers have to fight using only riot control techniques, any use of firearms, even when attacked with metal pipes, rocks or knives will result in condemnation by the international community. Then these infiltration techniques mount, become a swarm, combined with an intifada type uprising in Israel.

As we saw with the Aid Boat Jihad, 15 Israelis armed with non-lethal weapons can not control 50 peace activists attacking them with metal pipes, knives, stun grenades, Molotov cocktails, bottles, and guns. The Israelis will be have no choice but to use deadly force. The international community, especially the EU, UN and the media, will howl and demonise Israel on cue.

These peace Jihadis are not marching on Israel in order to put flowers in their guns, they are not interested in equal rights, they intend to slit the Jews throats and beat them to death. Eventually. That is the goal in stages. But first the Israelis must be harried, terrorised, demonised, weakened and exhausted on all fronts, political, financial and military.

With all this pressure to delegitimise and harass Israel from all sides. How can they focus their military to fend off missiles and mortars from Hezbollah and Hamas, with their patrons Syria and Iran looming with still greater threats.

The Israeli military, intelligence and government will be too preoccupied with the swarming peace Jihad and answering all the blood libels.

The vile international community and media will be too occupied with fabrications of Israeli war crimes each time the Israelis use minimum force to ward off a beating, knifing, abduction, missile, rocket and mortar attack.

How can a tiny country the size of New Jersey with a Jewish population about half the population of New York City survive against an endless Jihad on all fronts, military media, and political?

agreed, nice post

379 brookly red  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:07:20pm

re: #377 cliffster

The Democrats just selected a complete loser to represent them, and they're pissed about it. That is all there is to it.

I can't see why, it has worked pretty good for them so far....

380 OldnGrumpy  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:07:22pm

Team USA keeps dodging bullets,Howard is playing his ass off!

381 researchok  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:07:27pm

re: #372 goddamnedfrank

If you pay him his story becomes even more suspect.

As far as dirty tricks go, this is one of the absolute best I've ever seen. I'm tempted to stand up and applaud.

I wonder if the dems weren't behind it. They are getting a lot of attention they wouldn't have gotten otherwise. It isn't as if Demint was in real trouble. This keeps the dems on the front page.

Who knows?

382 researchok  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:07:58pm

re: #380 OldnGrumpy

Team USA keeps dodging bullets,Howard is playing his ass off!

US has great speed.

383 Targetpractice  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:08:07pm

re: #377 cliffster

The Democrats just selected a complete loser to represent them, and they're pissed about it. That is all there is to it.

All I can say is the whole thing has a bad stench in my opinion. I might be wrong and it might all be above board, but I question how an unemployed guy living with his folks could find $10,000 to get himself on the primary ballot.

384 Mocking Jay  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:08:32pm

re: #379 brookly red

I can't see why, it has worked pretty good for them so far...


Wise words from the party of Palin.

385 ryannon  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:08:35pm

re: #370 JasonA

Mmmm... blood pudding...

In France, it's actually quite good.

386 Mocking Jay  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:08:59pm

re: #385 ryannon

In France, it's actually quite good.

I'm just not that adventurous...

387 brookly red  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:09:08pm

re: #383 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

All I can say is the whole thing has a bad stench in my opinion. I might be wrong and it might all be above board, but I question how an unemployed guy living with his folks could find $10,000 to get himself on the primary ballot.

the same way a crack smoking mayor can get re-elected.

388 researchok  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:09:09pm

re: #383 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

All I can say is the whole thing has a bad stench in my opinion. I might be wrong and it might all be above board, but I question how an unemployed guy living with his folks could find $10,000 to get himself on the primary ballot.

Like I said, he'd roll over if anyone offered him cash right now.

389 cliffster  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:09:26pm

re: #379 brookly red

I can't see why, it has worked pretty good for them so far...

biting my tongue

390 Nimed  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:09:37pm

Ok, Franck Lampard is becoming a serious nuisance. Somebody need to take care of him.

SWEEP THE LEG, BRADLEY.

391 brookly red  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:10:21pm

re: #384 JasonA

Wise words from the party of Palin.

no I am a registered Dem from NYC, I just have never developed a taste for Koolaid.

392 ryannon  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:10:43pm

re: #386 JasonA

I'm just not that adventurous...

I'm the same way about sheep's brains, eels and tripe.

You have to draw the line somewhere.

393 Mocking Jay  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:11:39pm

re: #391 brookly red

no I am a registered Dem from NYC, I just have never developed a taste for Koolaid.

I believe you're a registered Dem. That doesn't mean all that much, though.

394 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:11:48pm

re: #381 researchok

I wonder if the dems weren't behind it. They are getting a lot of attention they wouldn't have gotten otherwise. It isn't as if Demint was in real trouble. This keeps the dems on the front page.

Who knows?

Please, you can't possibly believe that, they're nowhere near that clever, or suicidal. All attention isn't good, they're mostly getting the negative kind; failure to campaign and do their damned research, and now being forced to share a label with a kiddie flasher.

395 brookly red  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:12:01pm

re: #392 ryannon

I'm the same way about sheep's brains, eels and tripe.

You have to draw the line somewhere.

chitterlings

396 brookly red  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:12:40pm

re: #393 JasonA

I believe you're a registered Dem. That doesn't mean all that much, though.

it just means your wrong with you party of Palin crack :)

397 ryannon  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:12:46pm

re: #395 brookly red

chitterlings

Pig's Feet!

398 Øyvind Strømmen  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:13:02pm

re: #369 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Wait, are invading England or Italy?

When the Germans shoot, the Brits duck.
When the Brits shoot, the Germans duck.
When the Italians shoot, nobody ducks.
When the Americans shoot, everybody ducks.

;)

399 bratwurst  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:13:28pm

God bless Tim Howard!

400 cliffster  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:13:39pm

Dammit, I want to go do other shit, but here I sit watching this stupid, boring game. Just because it's the USA team. Damn, I'm a patriot. Go USA!

401 researchok  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:14:03pm

re: #394 goddamnedfrank

Please, you can't possibly believe that, they're nowhere near that clever, or suicidal. All attention isn't good, they're mostly getting the negative kind; failure to campaign and do their damned research, and now being forced to share a label with a kiddie flasher.

Good points.

Maybe the guy really had 10k saved up. Which brings us back to why the guy wasn't vetted by the state party. It wasn't as if he were running dog catcher.

402 Mocking Jay  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:14:16pm

re: #396 brookly red

it just means your wrong with you party of Palin crack :)

You're registration really doesn't jibe with any comments I've seen you make on this site. Ever.

403 cliffster  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:14:52pm

re: #402 JasonA

You're registration really doesn't jibe with any comments I've seen you make on this site. Ever.

that's not true - he says stupid stuff every once in a while.

404 brookly red  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:14:58pm

re: #402 JasonA

You're registration really doesn't jibe with any comments I've seen you make on this site. Ever.

I am not a party hack... I look at issues.

405 Mocking Jay  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:15:32pm

re: #403 cliffster

that's not true - he says stupid stuff every once in a while.

I couldn't stop myself from laughing at that.

406 Nimed  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:17:10pm

re: #402 JasonA

You're registration really doesn't jibe with any comments I've seen you make on this site. Ever.

brookly red is fiercely independent. He never EVER drinks the cool aid! He would sooner die of thirst.

407 Mocking Jay  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:18:09pm

re: #406 Nimed

brookly red is fiercely independent. He never EVER drinks the cool aid! He would sooner die of thirst.

Oh Yeah!

408 brookly red  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:18:15pm

re: #406 Nimed

brookly red is fiercely independent. He never EVER drinks the cool aid! He would sooner die of thirst.

I prefer beer.

409 Turu The Terrible  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:18:36pm

re: #378 albusteve

The Israelis should torpedo the fuckers from a submerged sub, and blame it on the North Koreans.

Because Ronery Boi can get away with anything.


410 OldnGrumpy  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:19:40pm

4 more minutes

411 Obdicut  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:20:19pm

re: #271 Nimed

re: #249 SanFranciscoZionist

Please guys, don't say Europe. There are not such policies in the majority of European countries. It's as if Lebanon decided to adopt some awful policy and people talked about it using the expression "Middle-Easterners".

Ok, this is a specious comparison, since the EU has a Charter of Fundamental Rights. But you get my meaning.

Sure. So where is the condemnation for Italy and Hungary for their blatant violations of that Charter of Fundamental rights for the Romany? And Czechoslovakia?

Where is even an admission of past crimes from the countries in Europe of their treatment of the Roma?

The EU keeps making promises, keeps making studies, but nothing is done. And Hungary and Italy and many other EU countries keep persecuting the Roma.

Forming the EU has given Europe a new political identity, and with that comes new political responsibilities, as well.

412 researchok  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:20:35pm

crapping bricks here

either side can explode, you know?

413 cliffster  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:23:03pm

one more fumble by a brit goalkeeper. c'mon man, you can do it!

414 Nimed  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:23:29pm

re: #404 brookly red

I am not a party hack... I look at issues.

Careful with that. If you gaze long into an issue, the issue will gaze back into you.

415 OldnGrumpy  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:23:32pm

I'll take the tie but I really wanted a win

416 Obdicut  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:23:35pm

re: #287 oslogin

Europe is devolving again, though. Right-wing, nativist, and outright fascist politics are on the march in Europe. I call them out here in the US, I call them out in Europe as well.

417 researchok  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:24:03pm

'tale of two goalkeepers...' no shit.

418 bratwurst  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:24:08pm

GREAT result!!

419 researchok  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:24:40pm

re: #418 bratwurst

GREAT result!!

I agree. Good showing all around

420 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:25:00pm

re: #65 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds


I like to think the Tea Party movement started out as people really, honestly angry with the government and fed up with the "answers" they were being given.

You would be absolutely right about that.

/Mwahahahaha!

421 brookly red  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:25:22pm

re: #414 Nimed

Careful with that. If you gaze long into an issue, the issue will gaze back into you.

fortune favors the brave.

422 cliffster  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:25:26pm

this is the first time in my life that I've ever watch an entire soccer game.

423 swamprat  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:25:39pm

re: #398 oslogin

Americans are many things;
Loud
Arrogant
Obnoxious
Crude
Ill-mannered
Insensitive

But we are never out gunned!

424 Obdicut  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:26:12pm

re: #422 cliffster

this is the first time in my life that I've ever watch an entire soccer game.

There's still time to turn away from the dark side, Cliffster!

425 researchok  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:26:14pm

It's a great sport. There is a reason it's the world's most popular sport.

426 Nimed  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:26:27pm

Uff. Ok, it's finally over. We resisted the onslaught, and this point is likely going to be important.

427 Obdicut  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:27:06pm

re: #423 swamprat

The gentlemen who fought the Battle of the Bulge would like to disagree with you on that score.

But even outgunned, they weren't defeated.

"Nuts!"

428 cliffster  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:27:30pm

re: #424 Obdicut

There's still time to turn away from the dark side, Cliffster!

Oh don't worry, I'll forever be a beer-guzzling, football-watching redneck.

429 ryannon  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:27:38pm

re: #411 Obdicut

With the EU economies going to hell in a handbasket, it's the wrong time to be thinking of new political responsibilities. It will be an achievement if they manage to avoid a 30s-type radicalization of electors to the far-right - as is happening in Hungary right now....

430 swamprat  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:28:07pm

re: #404 brookly red


We all do... we don't play partisan politics, here.
Ask any one of us.

/rolls eyes

431 Nimed  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:28:44pm

re: #428 cliffster

Oh don't worry, I'll forever be a beer-guzzling, football-watching redneck.

You're calling it football? Good Lord, you're doomed!

432 ryannon  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:28:44pm

re: #422 cliffster

this is the first time in my life that I've ever watch an entire soccer game.

Have you gone blind yet?

433 brookly red  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:29:17pm

re: #429 ryannon

With the EU economies going to hell in a handbasket, it's the wrong time to be thinking of new political responsibilities. It will be an achievement if they manage to avoid a 30s-type radicalization of electors to the far-right - as is happening in Hungary right now...

yup, nothing says hard right turn like empty pockets.

434 Obdicut  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:29:28pm

re: #429 ryannon

It's never the wrong time to end the oppression of a people. It doesn't cost anything to tell Italy to stop being assholes to the Roma, for example.

I get your point, and I actually think the people of Europe will remember the past and beat back the rising tide of fascist sentiment.

I hope so, anyway. They've shed enough blood in the past hundred years.

435 OldnGrumpy  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:31:12pm

re: #428 cliffster

Oh don't worry, I'll forever be a beer-guzzling, football-watching redneck.

Better a football watching redneck than a soccer hooligan.

Long live the NFL!

I had to watch the soccer game because it was Team USA.

436 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:31:17pm

I'm glad my ancestors got the hell out of Europe.

437 ryannon  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:32:05pm

re: #434 Obdicut

It's never the wrong time to end the oppression of a people. It doesn't cost anything to tell Italy to stop being assholes to the Roma, for example.

Agree entirely, and I sincerely hope you're right about the rest.

438 Øyvind Strømmen  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:33:05pm

re: #416 Obdicut

Europe is devolving again, though. Right-wing, nativist, and outright fascist politics are on the march in Europe. I call them out here in the US, I call them out in Europe as well.

You're right to do so. Nativism Wilders-style did a disturbingly good election in the Netherlands.

But at least it looks like Vlaams Belang might lose support in the Belgian elections tomorrow. And I don't think the Sweden "Democrats" will do very well in the Swedish election this fall either.

439 swamprat  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:35:46pm

re: #427 Obdicut

I was actually quoting from a movie.

440 Lamont Cranston  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:36:18pm

re: #436 MandyManners

I'm glad my ancestors got the hell out of Europe.

True dat. Can't understand why some of my current relations think Europe is so neat.

441 Obdicut  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:36:49pm

re: #438 oslogin

I have every hope for that. I can't fathom Europe discarding its hard-won successes.

442 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:37:37pm

re: #440 Lamont Cranston

True dat. Can't understand why some of my current relations think Europe is so neat.

Maybe they don't pay attention.

443 OldnGrumpy  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:37:56pm

re: #440 Lamont Cranston

True dat. Can't understand why some of my current relations think Europe is so neat.

I was in Europe once,it was old,dirty and it smelled funny.

444 brookly red  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:38:12pm

re: #440 Lamont Cranston

True dat. Can't understand why some of my current relations think Europe is so neat.

If you want to sell something in New York say it's hot in Paris...
If you want to sell something in Paris say it's hot in New York...

445 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:38:51pm

re: #440 Lamont Cranston

True dat. Can't understand why some of my current relations think Europe is so neat.

It is pretty neat. Lots of history and culture. Still glad my ancestors got the hell out too, though.

446 cliffster  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:39:17pm

I'm gonna make like a hockey player and get the puck outta here.

447 Lamont Cranston  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:39:49pm

re: #445 Slumbering Behemoth

It is pretty neat. Lots of history and culture. Still glad my ancestors got the hell out too, though.

Yeah, I get that. Soaked in blood as well.

448 Obdicut  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:39:49pm

re: #440 Lamont Cranston

Well, they do at least understand that evolution is real. So they've got that going for them.

[Link: richarddawkins.net...]

In general, they have better acceptance of science and less insane anti-science religious rhetoric.

I don't think competitions about who's better matter much. Countries should take responsibility for their own shit, and spend less time giving shit to each other.

449 swamprat  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:40:09pm

re: #444 brookly red

If you want to sell something in New York say it's hot in Paris...
If you want to sell something in Paris say it's hot in New York...

If you want to sell something in Chicago, just say "it's hot".

450 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:40:17pm

re: #441 Obdicut

I have every hope for that. I can't fathom Europe discarding its hard-won successes.

I hope the far right loses, but after that I hope the center takes the issue of assimilating Belgium's Muslims seriously.

451 Obdicut  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:40:18pm

re: #439 swamprat

I was actually quoting from a movie.

Cool. Never seen it. Love Dafoe. Worth watching?

452 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:41:10pm

re: #449 swamprat

If you want to sell something in Chicago, just say "it's hot".

But first you have to pay off the right people at City Hall.

/I wish I was kidding

453 Nimed  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:41:13pm

re: #434 Obdicut

It's never the wrong time to end the oppression of a people. It doesn't cost anything to tell Italy to stop being assholes to the Roma, for example.

I get your point, and I actually think the people of Europe will remember the past and beat back the rising tide of fascist sentiment.

I hope so, anyway. They've shed enough blood in the past hundred years.

I think "a rising tide of fascist sentiment" in Europe is an exaggeration. Nobody stands Berlusconi, but the Charter of Fundamental rights hasn't been violated yet to my knowledge in Italy. And the EU doesn't exactly have the authority to just tell its member nations what to do in these cases...

454 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:41:34pm

re: #447 Lamont Cranston

Yeah, I get that. Soaked in blood as well.

Show me a point on any map that isn't, and I'll show you a map from a fantasy novel.

455 Cato the Elder  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:41:45pm

Ooh, a "dump on Europe" thread!

Idiots.

456 Lamont Cranston  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:42:39pm

re: #454 Slumbering Behemoth

Show me a point on any map that isn't, and I'll show you a map from a fantasy novel.

You kidding me? How about Antarctica?
//

457 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:43:56pm

re: #456 Lamont Cranston

Baby seal fur.
/I got nuthin'

458 Lamont Cranston  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:45:04pm

re: #455 Cato the Elder

Ooh, a "dump on Europe" thread!

Idiots.

Not looking to dump on Europe. Many beautiful things from Europe --art, music, philosophy. Just get discouraged that Europe seems to be in the throes of re-emerging bad craziness.

459 brookly red  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:45:06pm

re: #454 Slumbering Behemoth

Show me a point on any map that isn't, and I'll show you a map from a fantasy novel.

/let's all show some respect for heroes of the great war of Greenland...

460 Obdicut  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:45:24pm

re: #453 Nimed

You seriously don't think what's been done to the Roma in Italy is a violation of human rights?

[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]

[Link: www.errc.org...]


In February this year the Prefect of Rome, in his capacity as special commissioner for the Roma "emergency", issued new rules regulating life in the region's seven officially designated camps. The camps are to be gated, under police supervision. Though residence is to be temporary, as a prelude to further "integration", no indication is given of where those who have to leave, or are thrown out of the camps because they do not qualify, are expected to go. Milan's mayor has announced similar rules, including camp gates to be locked at 10pm. Protest has been muted.


Ghettoization, combined with laws that allow Roma children to be taken from their mothers because their living situation is deemed dangerous to the child-- a living situation created by the state in the first place.

By the way, just so you can understand my vehemence on this issue: my fiancée is from Roma stock, and I feel that very, very little attention is ever paid to the Roma, and a lot of excuses for their ill-treatment are made. Forgive me if I seem hostile; I don't mean to be, I'm just frustrated.

461 Cato the Elder  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:45:25pm

I see we have a new jerk - "Turu the Terrible".

Hi, bozo!

462 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:45:42pm

re: #455 Cato the Elder

We could try a "Patriotic American Pride" thread and see how well that goes.

463 Mocking Jay  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:45:49pm

A tie? Really? Am I hearing this right?

464 Cato the Elder  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:46:03pm

re: #458 Lamont Cranston

Not looking to dump on Europe. Many beautiful things from Europe --art, music, philosophy. Just get discouraged that Europe seems to be in the throes of re-emerging bad craziness.

Quite unlike America.

Oh, wait...

465 Lamont Cranston  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:46:44pm

re: #464 Cato the Elder

Quite unlike America.

Oh, wait...

Yeah, we got our problems, too.

466 Obdicut  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:46:52pm

re: #458 Lamont Cranston

Not looking to dump on Europe. Many beautiful things from Europe --art, music, philosophy. Just get discouraged that Europe seems to be in the throes of re-emerging bad craziness.

I'd say we have them beat there.

[Link: richarddawkins.net...]

Our scientific acceptance is actually declining. At least Europeans generally accept things like evolution. The anti-science, anti-intellectual atmosphere in the United State is and has been appalling for quite awhile.

467 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:46:56pm

re: #459 brookly red

/let's all show some respect for heroes of the great war of Greenland...

Didn't Vikings used to live there?
/Blood is cheap, it's everywhere.

468 swamprat  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:47:07pm

re: #451 Obdicut


They are interrogating a general for a murder. He says, "I will interrogate myself. Did you do it? If you did NOT do it, jump from the helicopter". ( he jumps!)

Later, a Viet National thinks he has our intrepid investigators cornered.

He was not even close.

It's an OK movie. Maybe a Saturday movie while you do chores.

469 brookly red  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:47:37pm

re: #467 Slumbering Behemoth

Didn't Vikings used to live there?
/Blood is cheap, it's everywhere.

yes, about 12 of them...

470 ryannon  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:47:46pm

re: #453 Nimed

I think "a rising tide of fascist sentiment" in Europe is an exaggeration. Nobody stands Berlusconi, but the Charter of Fundamental rights hasn't been violated yet to my knowledge in Italy. And the EU doesn't exactly have the authority to just tell its member nations what to do in these cases...

The Charter of Fundamental Rights is violated all the time in Italy - as elsewhere in the EU. Not saying that's it's pure hell here (far from it, along as you manage to 'fit in' in one way or another) but it's pretty rocky if you're up against it for any number of reasons.

471 Nimed  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:48:18pm

re: #456 Lamont Cranston

You kidding me? How about Antarctica?
//


We can't rule out the possibility that there was some sort of great war between penguin nations.

472 ryannon  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:48:44pm

re: #455 Cato the Elder

Ooh, a "dump on Europe" thread!

Idiots.

Europa has a lot of ugly sisters. We're just turning the pages of the family album.

473 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:49:16pm

re: #454 Slumbering Behemoth

Show me a point on any map that isn't, and I'll show you a map from a fantasy novel.

Even The Shire had trouble.

474 Obdicut  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:49:21pm

Sorry for the double post. Thought it didn't work.

475 brookly red  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:49:57pm

re: #471 Nimed

We can't rule out the possibility that there was some sort of great war between penguin nations.

/no one expected the Penguin Inquisition...

476 freetoken  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:50:12pm

re: #457 Slumbering Behemoth

re: #456 Lamont Cranston


re: #459 brookly red

Heh...

477 Øyvind Strømmen  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:50:30pm

re: #453 Nimed

I think "a rising tide of fascist sentiment" in Europe is an exaggeration. Nobody stands Berlusconi, but the Charter of Fundamental rights hasn't been violated yet to my knowledge in Italy. And the EU doesn't exactly have the authority to just tell its member nations what to do in these cases...

Berlusconi is a lot of things, but he's not a fascist.

But Jobbik in Hungary - for instance - are.

478 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:50:36pm

re: #466 Obdicut

I'd say we have them beat there.

[Link: richarddawkins.net...]

Our scientific acceptance is actually declining. At least Europeans generally accept things like evolution. The anti-science, anti-intellectual atmosphere in the United State is and has been appalling for quite awhile.

They tend to side against Israel, though, which makes it a net minus for me. I'll be back in a bit.

479 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:50:43pm

re: #469 brookly red

12 Vikings is just about all you need for a good old fashioned blood bath.
/Or a penalty call.

480 ryannon  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:52:23pm

re: #462 Slumbering Behemoth

We could try a "Patriotic American Pride" thread and see how well that goes.

re: #462 Slumbering Behemoth

We could try a "Patriotic American Pride" thread and see how well that goes.

OK!

481 Obdicut  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:52:23pm

re: #477 oslogin

Berluscioni isn't a fascist, but he's using fascist policies. He's such a fucker. I want Garibaldi to rise from his grave and pummel him verbally.

482 brookly red  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:53:05pm

re: #479 Slumbering Behemoth

12 Vikings is just about all you need for a good old fashioned blood bath.
/Or a penalty call.

rule 1. Row your own boats, slaves are for whimps.

483 Nimed  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:53:27pm

re: #460 Obdicut

Sorry, I was only vaguely familiar with some obligatory registration measures. This is seriously fucked up.

484 Cato the Elder  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:53:57pm

re: #477 oslogin

Berlusconi is a lot of things, but he's not a fascist.

But Jobbik in Hungary - for instance - are.

Berlusconi is too into the 18-year-old muffs to give proper attention to being a fascist.

485 Obdicut  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:54:46pm

re: #478 Dark_Falcon

They tend to side against Israel, though, which makes it a net minus for me. I'll be back in a bit.

How on earth does that make it a net minus? Why on earth is 'support' for Israel more important than good science?

If we really want to protect Israel, we need to stop global warming. If we really want to stop global warming, we need to end the anti-science lunacy here in the United States, and become the world leader in renewable energy that we should be.

Instead, we have GOP leaders denying that global warming is occurring.

Israel can survive the fucked-up situation that its in. It can survive the lack of support from Europe. It cannot survive unchecked global warming.

486 freetoken  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:57:17pm

re: #485 Obdicut

If we really want to protect Israel, we need to stop global warming.


It is true that they will be affected hard by AGW. Indeed, even now with water problems they have enormous ecological problems.

Yet I suspect that they have bigger fish to fry before the land is left essentially uninhabitable.

487 Obdicut  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:57:35pm

re: #483 Nimed

Sorry, I was only vaguely familiar with some obligatory registration measures. This is seriously fucked up.

Yes, that's what I mean. Even good people like yourself don't really know what's going on, and what's been going on. It's the eternal Catch-22: Roma are prevented from getting good educations and kept economically ghettoized, which means a lot of them turn to crime, begging or other highly-visible malfeasances that makes it all the easier for ordinary people to support terrible measures against them, on the grounds that they're all thieves and beggars.

Now I've angried up my blood. So that I don't accidentally say anything overly harsh, I'm going to go chill with my cats for a bit. It's a beautiful day here in San Francisco.

Apologies to anyone I was too brusque with.

488 brookly red  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:58:12pm

re: #485 Obdicut

How on earth does that make it a net minus? Why on earth is 'support' for Israel more important than good science?

If we really want to protect Israel, we need to stop global warming. If we really want to stop global warming, we need to end the anti-science lunacy here in the United States, and become the world leader in renewable energy that we should be.

Instead, we have GOP leaders denying that global warming is occurring.

Israel can survive the fucked-up situation that its in. It can survive the lack of support from Europe. It cannot survive unchecked global warming.

wow, with a stretch like that you could play 2nd base for the Yankees...

489 swamprat  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:58:21pm

re: #482 brookly red

rule 1. Row your own boats, slaves are for whimps.

No NATION ever defeated the Vikings.
People, (England) stopped sending their men out against them.
Instead they sent out their women.

"Eric, Son of Lief; You forgot to take out the garbage!"

Poor bastards never had a chance....

490 ryannon  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:58:59pm

re: #487 Obdicut

It's not just the Roma:

[Link: hiphopandpolitics.wordpress.com...]

491 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 1:59:49pm

re: #489 swamprat

Wait, wasn't it Lief, son of Eric?

492 brookly red  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 2:00:52pm

re: #489 swamprat

No NATION ever defeated the Vikings.
People, (England) stopped sending their men out against them.
Instead they sent out their women.

"Eric, Son of Lief; You forgot to take out the garbage!"

Poor bastards never had a chance...

My mother is a Dane... when I was 16 she broke my nose. The are a tough breed.

493 swamprat  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 2:01:09pm

re: #491 Slumbering Behemoth


They all loki alike to me.

494 freetoken  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 2:02:17pm

Speaking of AGW, according to the latest GISSTEMP analysis, looks like May 2010 was the warmest May on record:

[Link: data.giss.nasa.gov...]

The NCDC report should come out next week, maybe Monday. Odds are looking good that 2010 will be the warmest year on record.

So much for the "global cooling" meme that is still kicking around parts of the denial-o-sphere.

495 Varek Raith  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 2:02:45pm

re: #493 swamprat

They all loki alike to me.

Whoa!
*Backs away from swamprat*
You're about to be GodPunked.

496 swamprat  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 2:02:51pm

re: #491 Slumbering Behemoth

Slved your car troubles?
Was it your coil?

497 swamprat  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 2:03:33pm

re: #495 Varek Raith

Don't be a thorhead.

498 Mocking Jay  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 2:06:17pm

re: #497 swamprat

Don't be a thorhead.

Speaking of which...

[Link: i.marvelousnews.com...]

Anthony Hopkins as Odin. He's rockin' the beard.

499 Cato the Elder  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 2:06:43pm

I see Bubblehead II is here. What happened with the dog situation, B.?

500 Mocking Jay  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 2:06:47pm

Wrong link.

re: #498 JasonA

Image: Odin.jpg

501 brookly red  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 2:08:04pm

re: #494 freetoken

Speaking of AGW, according to the latest GISSTEMP analysis, looks like May 2010 was the warmest May on record:

[Link: data.giss.nasa.gov...]

The NCDC report should come out next week, maybe Monday. Odds are looking good that 2010 will be the warmest year on record.

So much for the "global cooling" meme that is still kicking around parts of the denial-o-sphere.

One of the hardest things about life today is the lack of certainty... I take comfort in knowing that no matter what the tread starts out as it is certain it will end in global warming.

502 AK-47%  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 2:08:26pm

re: #487 Obdicut

Yes, that's what I mean. Even good people like yourself don't really know what's going on, and what's been going on. It's the eternal Catch-22: Roma are prevented from getting good educations and kept economically ghettoized, which means a lot of them turn to crime, begging or other highly-visible malfeasances that makes it all the easier for ordinary people to support terrible measures against them, on the grounds that they're all thieves and beggars.

Now I've angried up my blood. So that I don't accidentally say anything overly harsh, I'm going to go chill with my cats for a bit. It's a beautiful day here in San Francisco.

Apologies to anyone I was too brusque with.

There is also the conflict that thier migratory lifestyle puts their kids at a disadvantage as it is not consistent with the modern European/American system of staying in one place to obtain an education.

And once again, we face the old conundrum of socially integrating while maintaining some ethnic identity. These are not matters that can be solved by any formulaic approach.

503 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 2:08:27pm

re: #496 swamprat

Hey, thanks for asking. No, not yet. Got fuel to the rail, so it ain't the fuel pump. Did notice a tiny crack on the dist. cap last night after the convo here, though. That may be the cause of the intermittent stalls and non starts.

Pulled the plugs last night and cleaned them. Gonna gap 'em and check for spark again later today.

504 Varek Raith  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 2:09:36pm

re: #501 brookly red

One of the hardest things about life today is the lack of certainty... I take comfort in knowing that no matter what the tread starts out as it is certain it will end in global warming.

Or that Obama is somehow anti-Israel.
9_9

505 Digital Display  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 2:11:55pm

Qualifying for the F! is on right now..In Montreal..
A few years ago I spent a week in Montreal...I love it there..
The girls in our office cornered me one day...
Notice anything here?
No why?
Sure you did..
What?
The most beautiful girls in the World live in Montreal...
Ok.. I agree...
I wasn't going to bring that up ladies...
Say it..
The most beautiful girls in the World live in Montreal...

506 swamprat  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 2:19:56pm

re: #503 Slumbering Behemoth

Check the spark when it is cold and working versus when it is warm and not working. You can have "spark", but sometimes it isn't sparky enough. Get some starting fluid, WD40, or some gas in a small squirt bottle.When it warms up and fails, give it some fuel and see if you can get it to cough.
Some systems have a different fuel path for "warming up" than for "running".

Luck to you.

507 swamprat  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 2:21:27pm

re: #503 Slumbering Behemoth


Pull the cap and see if the rotor is ok.

508 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 2:22:03pm

re: #506 swamprat


Get some starting fluid, WD40, or some gas in a small squirt bottle.When it warms up and fails, give it some fuel and see if you can get it to cough.

I know how to do that on a carburetor, but where exactly would I do that on a fuel injected engine?

Luck to you.

Thanks Swampy, much appreciated.

509 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 2:23:14pm

re: #507 swamprat

Pull the cap and see if the rotor is ok.

The rotor is unlike any I have ever seen. I'll give it another look in the daylight today.

510 OldnGrumpy  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 2:25:44pm

The definition of irony?

511 KDS1  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 2:30:54pm

re: #510 OldnGrumpy

[Link: www.msnbc.msn.com...]

The definition of irony?

Does he have something to hide?...

512 Zendette  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 2:33:54pm

A little late, but I remember the whole Dan Rather deal, and specifically noted that Charles mentioned the other bloggers who were on this story. I recall he specifically gave credit to Powerline and others, several times. Perhaps others as well. This is off the top of my head, with no fact checking.

//bows head in mock shame

513 OldnGrumpy  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 2:37:39pm

re: #511 KDS1

Does he have something to hide?...

With this over-zealous prosecution,it sure looks suspicious.

Not to mention the oil leak in the Gulf.

514 OldnGrumpy  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 2:40:07pm

Saudi Arabia gives Israel free corridor to attack Iranian nuke sites

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

Hmmm,do they know something we don't?

515 tradewind  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 2:46:03pm

re: #514 OldnGrumpy
The House of Saud has a lot to lose from a loose nuke in the ME... as in all their oil.

516 Fozzie Bear  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 2:48:29pm
The right wing blogosphere is inventing a weird series of alternate reality myths about me, based on blatant lies by deranged people [snip]

I would expect nothing else. It's not like it started end ended with LGF. The far right has had their own set of confirmably false 'facts' as the basis for their positions for quite some time now.

Saying that X or Y are desirable positions to hold on a given issue is opinion. Stating that Obama is a seekrit muslim is just deranged.

517 OldnGrumpy  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 2:57:04pm

re: #515 tradewind

The House of Saud has a lot to lose from a loose nuke in the ME... as in all their oil.

That's a given fact,I was asking the question "do the Saudis know an attack is imminent?".

518 KDS1  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 3:00:49pm

re: #517 OldnGrumpy

I have a feeling of deja vu. It was said before that Meir Dagan, The head of the Mossad, have reached an agreement with the Saudis about using their airspace if needed. I think it was published in the London Times back then as well.
But the Saudis were very quick to deny then, and very quick to deny now.

519 sffilk  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 3:48:54pm

re: #30 Dark_Falcon

Indeed. On the last thread someone linked to this excellent article Israel, the World's 'Dirty Harry' (Whoever posted it please speak up so i can upding you again for the great link). However, the comment revealed minds gone completely around the bend. Here a really bad one:

Thank you for the link!

520 sffilk  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 3:49:35pm

re: #35 KDS1

I just call it being sane.

and smart.

521 Egregious Philbin  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 6:40:48pm

Steve Gilbert is one of the slimiest little cretins that ever existed. While at FR, as Mojo, he earned a reputation for screwing over any person he came into contact with, lying and falsely representing others.

Major league stalking creep, and one of the biggest asswipes I ever encountered on the internet.


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