PayPal Shuts Down Pamela Geller

Pamela Geller has received a notice from PayPal that she’s in violation of their acceptable use policy regarding sites that “promote hate,” and told that in order to prevent closure of her account she must remove all PayPal logos and forms from her over-the-top anti-Muslim sites atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com, sioaonline.com, and freedomdefense.typepad.com.

Geller reacts to PayPal’s ruling that she’s inciting hatred by … wait for it … inciting hatred against PayPal. She tells her readers to deluge PayPal with angry emails, and calls them “pathetic Paypal pussies.” Yeah, that’ll work.

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669 comments

1 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 3:47:39pm

The three Ps. How Pamela.

2 Targetpractice  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 3:48:56pm

*deadpan* A regular Einstein, that one.

3 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 3:49:10pm

re: #1 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

The three Ps. How Pamela.

You miscounted, I think.
Pathetic PayPal Pussies.

Looks like 4 to me.

4 carefulnow  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 3:49:10pm

Hateful harassing harpy.

5 albusteve  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 3:49:26pm

PPP is the enemy!
fix bayonets!

6 jamesfirecat  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 3:51:25pm

///Maybe she ask the ACLU for help making her case in court....

7 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 3:52:11pm

re: #3 reine.de.tout

You miscounted, I think.
Pathetic PayPal Pussies.

Looks like 4 to me.

Okay. Sue me!

*MOM! TOOTS SAID "PUSSY"!*

8 Mocking Jay  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 3:52:32pm

re: #6 jamesfirecat

///Maybe she ask the ACLU for help making her case in court...

Irony overload.

9 Cato the Elder  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 3:54:08pm

Reposted from last thread:

Her latest claim is that Obama has outed himself as a seekrit Moooslim to the foreign minister of Egypt:

[...] Egyptian Foreign Minister Abul Gheit said on the "Round Table Show" that he had had a one on one meeting with Obama who swore to him that he was a Moslem, the son of a Moslem father and step-son of Moslem step-father, that his half-brothers in Kenya were Moslems, and that he was loyal to the Moslem agenda. He asked that the Moslem world show patience. Obama promised that once he overcame some domestic American problems (Healthcare), that he would show the Moslem world what he would do with Israel.

Sources? A low-rent "conservative Christian" site named "Web Today" and the print magazine "Israel Today," a Christian Zionist publication. Sample article in the same issue: "The Third Temple and the Third World War."

There is nothing too stupid for this woman to believe.

Hint, Pammie: These people are no friends of Israel. But then neither are you, are you, you twit?

10 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 3:54:46pm

re: #7 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Okay. Sue me!

*MOM! TOOTS SAID "PUSSY"!*

hahahaha!

My brother got me an a heck of a lot of trouble once, calling me a name - I called him the same thing back - Mom heard me but HIM - so I was the one who got punished. I can't even remember what the word was - all I remember was I got caught, he didn't. So unfair.

11 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 3:54:48pm

It looks like Ms Geller is going to have to use the Resolution Center.

12 Gus  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 3:54:56pm

They've got her on at least 3 violations.

PayPal User Agreement

9. Restricted Activities.

9.1 Restricted Activities. In connection with your use of our website, your Account, or the PayPal Services, or in the course of your interactions with PayPal, other Users, or third parties, you will not:

1. Breach this Agreement, the Commercial Entity Agreement, the Acceptable Use Policy or any other agreement or policy that you have agreed to with PayPal;

2. Violate any law, statute, ordinance, or regulation (for example, those governing financial services, consumer protections, unfair competition, anti-discrimination or false advertising);

3. Infringe PayPal's or any third party's copyright, patent, trademark, trade secret or other intellectual property rights, or rights of publicity or privacy;

4. Sell counterfeit goods;

5. Act in a manner that is defamatory, trade libelous, threatening or harassing;

6. Provide false, inaccurate or misleading information;

13 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 3:56:14pm

re: #12 Gus 802

You got is Gus.

14 albusteve  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 3:57:22pm

re: #9 Cato the Elder

how do you know he isn't?

15 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 3:58:18pm

re: #13 PhillyPretzel

it. Dang it typos.

16 Gus  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 3:59:31pm

re: #9 Cato the Elder

Reposted from last thread:

Her latest claim is that Obama has outed himself as a seekrit Moooslim to the foreign minister of Egypt:

Sources? A low-rent "conservative Christian" site named "Web Today" and the print magazine "Israel Today," a Christian Zionist publication. Sample article in the same issue: "The Third Temple and the Third World War."

There is nothing too stupid for this woman to believe.

Hint, Pammie: These people are no friends of Israel. But then neither are you, are you, you twit?

What a crack-up:

...loyal to the Moslem agenda. He asked that the Moslem world show patience...

Yes, be patient world Moslems. It begins as soon as we show Obama the Queen of Diamonds!

17 Renaissance_Man  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 4:00:20pm

re: #10 reine.de.tout

hahahaha!

My brother got me an a heck of a lot of trouble once, calling me a name - I called him the same thing back - Mom heard me but HIM - so I was the one who got punished. I can't even remember what the word was - all I remember was I got caught, he didn't. So unfair.

So much of what goes on in the political/media sphere nowadays seems to boil down to just that though. 'Okay, so our side got caught acting like animals and idiots, but what about their side, huh?'

Why do people think there's always some equivalency somewhere? Why would it be an excuse if in fact there was? Why do people think it breaks down to 'our side' and 'their side' anyway?

18 Kragar  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 4:02:08pm

Obviously, Paypal must be a front for the global Islamic conspiracy.

/

19 Cato the Elder  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 4:02:20pm

Pam is the only person who stands between our cherished freedoms and the horror of the New World Order.

We be doomed.

20 jamesfirecat  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 4:02:58pm

re: #19 Cato the Elder

Pam is the only person who stands between our cherished freedoms and the horror of the New World Order.

We be doomed.

I for one stand ready to welcome our Black Helicopter riding, blue helmet wearing overlords!

21 Gus  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 4:05:25pm

re: #9 Cato the Elder

Here's more on Web Today.

Web page from 2000: [Link: www.888webtoday.com...]

The rest of the archive:

[Link: 888webtoday.com...]

22 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 4:05:30pm

re: #18 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

I believe PayPal is part of e-Bay.

23 Digital Display  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 4:06:24pm

re: #15 PhillyPretzel

it. Dang it typos.

Hi Philly! Love your City!
I was sent to close down the Shipyard by the DOD back in the 90's.
I'm so sorry and I think Philly Rocks..Beautiful City! I love Philly..I almost got to go to Temple in College..Frack!

24 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 4:06:33pm

re: #17 Renaissance_Man

So much of what goes on in the political/media sphere nowadays seems to boil down to just that though. 'Okay, so our side got caught acting like animals and idiots, but what about their side, huh?'

Why do people think there's always some equivalency somewhere? Why would it be an excuse if in fact there was? Why do people think it breaks down to 'our side' and 'their side' anyway?

Well, actually, I intended my little story to be just a little lighthearted story.

Really, I did.

But of course, what I learned from that incident, as well as many others is that I should pay attention to how I'm acting, not just blindly do whatever someone else is doing.

25 Kragar  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 4:06:40pm

re: #22 PhillyPretzel

I believe PayPal is part of e-Bay.

The E is for eee-vil!

26 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 4:07:24pm

re: #13 PhillyPretzel


You in Philly? I'll be there for two weeks starting tomorrow!

27 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 4:07:34pm

re: #25 Kragar (proud to be kafir)
LOL

28 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 4:08:04pm

re: #24 reine.de.tout

Methinks RM got a little worked up there.

29 Nimed  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 4:09:24pm

Poor Pam. Apparently, the jihad is hard at work trying to kill free speech (and the bus ads and the 9111 no mosque movement) from making its way to those in pursuit of truth.
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The last sentence is not a joke. It's a sentence copy-pasted from her second to last blog post in Atlas Shrugs. Yes, the post about PayPal.

30 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 4:09:38pm

re: #23 HoosierHoops

There are other (better) colleges than Temple. LaSalle is very good. Drexel is another good one. We even have an Ivy League college.

31 prairiefire  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 4:09:39pm

Ha, ha, ha, ha. She is going to have to ration the Vodka now

32 What, me worry?  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 4:10:39pm

re: #17 Renaissance_Man

So much of what goes on in the political/media sphere nowadays seems to boil down to just that though. 'Okay, so our side got caught acting like animals and idiots, but what about their side, huh?'

Why do people think there's always some equivalency somewhere? Why would it be an excuse if in fact there was? Why do people think it breaks down to 'our side' and 'their side' anyway?

There's always compromise which brings everyone on equal footing. As my husband says, when we compromise, than no one is happy.

33 prairiefire  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 4:10:59pm

re: #22 PhillyPretzel

I believe PayPal is part of e-Bay.

I think Ebay bought them so they could extract even more fees from me.

34 albusteve  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 4:11:01pm

re: #29 Nimed

Poor Pam. Apparently, the jihad is hard at work trying to kill free speech (and the bus ads and the 9111 no mosque movement) from making its way to those in pursuit of truth.
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The last sentence is not a joke. It's a sentence copy-pasted from her second to last blog post in Atlas Shrugs. Yes, the post about PayPal.

what's with all the dots?....to create drama?

35 Mocking Jay  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 4:11:10pm

re: #29 Nimed

I've been trying to figure out what the extra 1 is for...

36 Nimed  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 4:13:26pm

re: #35 JasonA

I've been trying to figure out what the extra 1 is for...

I believe it's an exclamation mark. :)

37 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 4:13:45pm

re: #26 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I hope you enjoy the city. If you use the street for parking make sure you have plenty of quarters.

38 wrenchwench  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 4:14:24pm

This sounds like the work of Charles Johnson and the lizards in the craphole known as LGF.

Posted by: Sue | Saturday, June 12, 2010 at 05:46 PM

Bwa ha ha ha...

39 tradewind  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 4:15:15pm

re: #29 Nimed
Please, don't up the scroll factor..../

40 Gus  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 4:15:18pm

re: #38 wrenchwench

Bwa ha ha ha...

There it is!

Time to load up on the Thorazine tipped darts.

41 Nimed  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 4:15:58pm

PayPal or... PAYPALIS??!!?

42 Kragar  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 4:16:24pm

re: #38 wrenchwench

Bwa ha ha ha...

THEY'RE ON TO US!!!

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43 Digital Display  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 4:16:30pm

re: #26 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

You in Philly? I'll be there for two weeks starting tomorrow!

Good on you Veggie! Have a great time! I loved Philly when I was there..
Why don't you email reine so we can talk some time?

44 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 4:17:44pm

re: #26 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Seriously, Is there any information you would like?

45 albusteve  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 4:19:19pm

re: #37 PhillyPretzel

I hope you enjoy the city. If you use the street for parking make sure you have plenty of quarters.

and ammo...don't forget an extra mag or two, especially if you are wearing your Cowboys cap...such a relaxed, in the groove sort of place

46 albusteve  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 4:20:09pm

re: #44 PhillyPretzel

Seriously, Is there any information you would like?

yes, where are the Kevlar vest rental kiosks?

47 Digital Display  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 4:20:46pm

re: #44 PhillyPretzel

Seriously, Is there any information you would like?

Have you read the story about when I got robbed in Philly?

48 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 4:20:47pm

re: #45 albusteve
Very funny. I can understand where you are coming from. It can get a bit heated for out of towners.

49 The Curmudgeon  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 4:21:23pm

re: #22 PhillyPretzel

I believe PayPal is part of e-Bay.

That means Meg Whitman is in on the jihidist plot.

50 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 4:21:40pm

re: #46 albusteve

I do not know of any.

51 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 4:22:42pm

re: #47 HoosierHoops

No. What happened?

52 Gus  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 4:23:06pm

re: #49 The Curmudgeon

That means Meg Whitman is in on the jihidist plot.

They already "studied" that angle. Not the Jihadist part. Instapundit even mentioned it.

Too much.

53 Kragar  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 4:23:19pm

re: #51 PhillyPretzel

No. What happened?

He got robbed in Philly.

/rimshot

54 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 4:24:20pm

re: #53 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

"/rimshot" What does that mean?

55 albusteve  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 4:24:56pm

re: #48 PhillyPretzel

Very funny. I can understand where you are coming from. It can get a bit heated for out of towners.

HEATED!....I've had to fight for my life in Philly for my Cowboy cap....fortunately my buddy is a homie....good lord!, those cat's are aggressive....they finally liked me because I fought back, literally, grabbing and shoving....they loved it...anyway there is one thing Philly has that nobody else has, or even comes close...

[Link: www.cheesesteaktown.com...]

56 albusteve  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 4:25:52pm

re: #54 PhillyPretzel

"/rimshot" What does that mean?

it means the joke was not funny

57 Kragar  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 4:25:53pm

re: #54 PhillyPretzel

"/rimshot" What does that mean?

58 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 4:26:32pm

re: #56 albusteve
ty

59 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 4:27:32pm

re: #44 PhillyPretzel

Nah.. thanks. Gonna be near the airport... but all over the area. At least I ain't going to Camden.

60 darthstar  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 4:27:38pm

I go run a 5K race (came in under 34 minutes, by the way, and my goal was under 35 min), watch the US tie England thanks in large part to some crappy goal-tending, and take my dogs to the beach (complete with drive-thru burger treats for them afterward), and I come home to this? Pay-pal dissing the lovely Ms. Gellar*? What is the world coming to?


* note: by 'lovely Ms. Gellar' I'm using what is commonly known as sarcasm.

61 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 4:28:04pm

wow lol

Hopefully her web host will drop her soon, Alex Jones will stop inviting her out for steaks, and she'll eventually be wiping down tables at a Granny's Buffet

62 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 4:28:19pm

re: #59 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
OK.

63 Kragar  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 4:29:27pm

re: #60 darthstar

I go run a 5K race (came in under 34 minutes, by the way, and my goal was under 35 min), watch the US tie England thanks in large part to some crappy goal-tending, and take my dogs to the beach (complete with drive-thru burger treats for them afterward), and I come home to this? Pay-pal dissing the lovely Ms. Gellar*? What is the world coming to?


* note: by 'lovely Ms. Gellar' I'm using what is commonly known as sarcasm.

What is this...sarcasm...of which you speak?

64 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 4:30:50pm

re: #63 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

65 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 4:31:06pm

re: #64 PhillyPretzel

[Link: www.thefreedictionary.com...]

66 Mocking Jay  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 4:32:14pm

re: #63 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

What is this...sarcasm...of which you speak?

We don't talk about that. It's part of the Zionist plot....

67 darthstar  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 4:32:41pm

re: #63 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

What is this...sarcasm...of which you speak?

Sarcasm is thinking I did well in the race, though I did beat over half the field:

Overall: 1132 out of 2420
Men: 623 out of 1058
M 45-49: 41 out of 68
Age/Grade: 42.09% Place: 1188
Finish: 33:57 Pace: 10:56
Tag Time: 33:57
Gun Time: 34:54

And I averaged less than 11 minutes/mile...not bad for a fat bastard who was up until after midnight watching a movie and drinking manhattans.

68 windsagio  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 4:34:32pm

re: #67 darthstar

Makes me Jealous.

I grew up running, but blew out my knee in HS. Hated it as a kid, but now whenever I see something like this I (*$*�@($ miss it :D

69 albusteve  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 4:35:32pm

re: #67 darthstar

And I averaged less than 11 minutes/mile...not bad for a fat bastard who was up until after midnight watching a movie and drinking manhattans.

I'd brag about my physical prowess, but it seems so unfair to humble the other posters

70 albusteve  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 4:36:12pm

re: #68 windsagio

Makes me Jealous.

I grew up running, but blew out my knee in HS. Hated it as a kid, but now whenever I see something like this I (*$*@($ miss it :D

what's wrong with your knee?....why has it never healed?

71 Gus  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 4:36:23pm

For the conspiracy theorists. It looks like Pay Pal did the same thing to "Jesus General":

Support The Gospel of Teaparty Jesus
PayPal won't allow me to use them for blog donations, but you can support the godly, patriotic work I do by clicking here.

...Anyway, they denied my appeal and told me to remove PayPal links from my homepage. Wanting to keep my account open, I removed the links and filed a second appeal.

PayPal responded, informing me that I had won my appeal, thanking me for removing the links, and warning me that my account will be discontinued if I link to them on this blog, again. No, I don't know what that means either. I won the appeal, but my blog is still too Slzrd intolerant to be a part of the PayPal family, I guess.

That's where it stands now.

I could have avoided all this by writing those kumbaya-love-everyone posts like PayPal users Atlas Shrugs and The Jawa Report post. But damn it, I'm a Tea Party chaplain. I have to tell it like I imagine it is.

So, the PayPal links are gone. You can no longer show your support for this blog by clicking a donation link, but if you like the way my Level 80 Tauren shaman, Patriotboy, plays World of Warcraft (Gnomeregan server) or even if you know nothing about Wow, but like to think of me as being a big ol' battle cow for Christ, you can donate here.

And Rahm Emanual can plant his alien lizard scale lips on my amply human-fleshed butt.

*Or maybe it was another post. I don't know. They refused to be specific.

It ain't easy being a Tea Party chaplain.

This site would be considered opposite of Atlas Shrieks.

(Note, this is not an endorsement of Jesus General)

72 Digital Display  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 4:37:11pm

re: #51 PhillyPretzel

No. What happened?

Dear Lord.. I posted the whole story here years ago..Here is the Reader's Digest version..Wink
So after being robbed of about 3000 dollars in Diamonds I bought in the Diamond District..You know where I'm talking about...
It was a weekday evening and a bunch of my buddies wanted to go out...I blew them off...Late at night there was a knock on my door..Fuck you guys..
Another knock...I was naked with just a sheet on me watching TV..Another knock..Fuck you guys...Then some guy opens and walks down the hallway to the foot of my bed..We both freaked out...
I chased him Naked with only a sheet on down 12 stairs of the southside Philly Travel lodge in Philly...Honest to God..I was chasing him down stairs with only a sheet on Screaming I'm going to kick your ass...And him yelling back you ain't catching me white boy!
I honest to God went running into the Lobby with only a sheet on screaming catch that man! Do you know they will almost arrest a man in Philly out of breathe screaming in a Hotel lobby?
Did...You...See...that...Guy???
No..
Fucker got away..It's a great Philly Story

73 darthstar  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 4:39:04pm

re: #68 windsagio

Makes me Jealous.

I grew up running, but blew out my knee in HS. Hated it as a kid, but now whenever I see something like this I (*$*@($ miss it :D

My knees are shot (mostly due to skiing)...I should probably get them looked at this summer so I'm back in shape for ski season, which is only five months away.

74 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 4:39:31pm

re: #72 HoosierHoops
Hmm. That is not good. I am sorry to hear that.

75 windsagio  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 4:39:56pm

re: #70 albusteve

I don't know why it didn't heal, you know how these sports injuries are.

I twisted it really badly horsing around with some friends, and then (being young and stupid) tried to do a meet on Friday and a 10k on Sunday.

Don't do that. :p

76 Gus  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 4:41:07pm

Proof! This is funny...

Image: birth.png

77 darthstar  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 4:41:23pm

re: #72 HoosierHoops

In many parts of the United States, people look down on people wearing sheets and chasing black people.
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78 Kragar  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 4:41:32pm

re: #71 Gus 802

I could have avoided all this by writing those kumbaya-love-everyone posts like PayPal users Atlas Shrugs and The Jawa Report post. But damn it, I'm a Tea Party chaplain. I have to tell it like I imagine it is.

Yes, because they're known for their tolerant and inclusive dialog and free expression of ideas

79 Digital Display  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 4:41:36pm

re: #74 PhillyPretzel

Hmm. That is not good. I am sorry to hear that.

You know that South side Travel lodge that looks like a big Circle by the Airport?
It was there

80 shiplord kirel  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 4:42:06pm

If only they were brains.....

81 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 4:43:19pm

re: #79 HoosierHoops
I think I know the area. I do not spend too much time at the airport. I know the Center City area better.

82 Ojoe  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 4:43:27pm

Geller's Torpedos.

You would think she could just sit back happy.

83 darthstar  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 4:44:17pm

re: #82 Ojoe

Geller's Torpedos.

You would think she could just sit back happy.

You've got a torpedo-cam as well as a mountain cam?

84 albusteve  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 4:44:21pm

re: #81 PhillyPretzel

I think I know the area. I do not spend too much time at the airport. I know the Center City area better.

ever heard of the 'Curse Of Billy Penn'?

85 Ojoe  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 4:45:21pm

re: #83 darthstar

I used my google-fu to find the torpedos.

86 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 4:45:32pm

re: #84 albusteve

I could be wrong but it is the reason why our sports teams don't win championships.

87 Cato the Elder  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 4:45:42pm

re: #60 darthstar

I go run a 5K race (came in under 34 minutes, by the way, and my goal was under 35 min), watch the US tie England thanks in large part to some crappy goal-tending, and take my dogs to the beach (complete with drive-thru burger treats for them afterward), and I come home to this? Pay-pal dissing the lovely Ms. Gellar*? What is the world coming to?

* note: by 'lovely Ms. Gellar' I'm using what is commonly known as sarcasm.

And once again, your are confusing Geller with Gellar, which is unforgivable.

The one is a vampire, whilst the other stakes 'em.

88 KDS1  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 4:46:49pm
89 albusteve  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 4:47:29pm

re: #86 PhillyPretzel

I could be wrong but it is the reason why our sports teams don't win championships.

correct...they built a building taller than Billy's statue

90 darthstar  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 4:48:54pm

Heh...Jerry Brown takes on Sarah Palin's bullshit on Fox (I know, a lot of you don't like Brown because he had a nickname of "moonbeam"...but the clip is still worth watching)...

91 Digital Display  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 4:49:07pm

re: #77 darthstar

In many parts of the United States, people look down on people wearing sheets and chasing black people.
///

True story....Dude was faster than hell..We were talking trash all the way down the stairs... Thank God he didn't stop running and knock me out...
Yes I chased a thief down the stairs naked in only a sheet.. I may be the stupidest person in the World...
I put pants on for the police report..I fucking hate it when cops laugh at you..
You did what? Must I say it again?
Yes..Describe the scene to me..
You bastard!
So you were wearing a sheet?
yes sir...Grrrr
Then what happened?

92 Gus  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 4:49:17pm

re: #78 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Yes, because they're known for their tolerant and inclusive dialog and free expression of ideas

It's pretty funny that they're trying to blame this on some Jihad. I think that whatever organized Jihad there is out there could care less about Geller. As usual thought the humans always conflate things into a vast conspiracy.

93 What, me worry?  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 4:49:23pm

re: #69 albusteve

I'd brag about my physical prowess, but it seems so unfair to humble the other posters

So now I can call you Stud Muffin?

94 avanti  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 4:49:42pm

Crazy Pam's source for the Obama is a Muslim is "Israel Today" and it appears they made up there mind about the issue last year in a editorial:

"Nevertheless, there is no doubt that President Mubarack (“Blessed one” in Arabic) Hussein Obama is the son of a proud member of a Sunni Muslim tribe in Kenya, the same tribe that massacred Kenyan Christians a few years ago.

According to the Islamic faith, if a father was a Muslim, so is the son, Obama.

There is no debate, either, that his white mother remarried a second husband, also a Sunni Muslim, who lived with Obama in Indonesia for a number of years. Obama attended a madrassa (Islamic school) until age 11 and prayed at the local mosque. "
The story is going viral on the net today, 100 of right wing sites running with it.
BTW, there are more then a few factual errors in the above. I'd bet a beer Obama if there is any truth to the story, it was statement that he's made in the past about his Muslim roots, but not a comment about his faith.

Israel Today.

95 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 4:50:12pm

re: #89 albusteve
The "gentleman's agreement" has been broken for a while with One Liberty Place aka the Rouse Towers.

96 albusteve  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 4:51:17pm

re: #93 marjoriemoon

So now I can call you Stud Muffin?

if you want, yes

97 darthstar  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 4:51:30pm

Brown's other online ad...again, worth watching.

98 Ojoe  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 4:53:53pm

re: #90 darthstar

Jerry Brown would be a good governor.

I remember him as one before.

In face his name is on my architecture diploma, I graduated when Jerry Brown was Governor.

He was progressive in the best sense.

He appointed Sim van der Ryn as state Architect, and a lot of solar and sustainable stuff was done there for a while.

Which if it had been followed up on generally, would have unfunded the Saudis.

I'm for Jerry "You Betcha"

& Palin looks like a jerk there.

99 Ojoe  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 4:54:44pm

re: #98 Ojoe

In "FACT"

PIMF

100 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 4:56:25pm

re: #88 KDS1

Image: pamela_gellar11.jpg

She posted that picture to gloat when she won the Wizbang blogger awards. Not because she likes LGF.

101 darthstar  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 4:57:00pm

re: #98 Ojoe

Jerry Brown would be a good governor.

I remember him as one before.

In face his name is on my architecture diploma, I graduated when Jerry Brown was Governor.

He was progressive in the best sense.

He appointed Sim van der Ryn as state Architect, and a lot of solar and sustainable stuff was done there for a while.

Which if it had been followed up on generally, would have unfunded the Saudis.

I'm for Jerry "You Betcha"

& Palin looks like a jerk there.

I agree...I think he'll be good for California if we as a state don't get bought off by Whitman's money.

102 Gus  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 4:57:09pm

re: #90 darthstar

Heh...Jerry Brown takes on Sarah Palin's bullshit on Fox (I know, a lot of you don't like Brown because he had a nickname of "moonbeam"...but the clip is still worth watching)...

[Video]

He did enact state tax cuts.

But he raised the gasoline tax!

By two cents.

Doing a quick search here and it looks like they're trying to trace California's revenue woes to Jerry Brown. Uh huh. He left office 27 years ago or more than 1/4 century ago. Yep, it's ALL Jerry Brown's fault.

103 darthstar  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 4:58:54pm

re: #102 Gus 802

He did enact state tax cuts.

But he raised the gasoline tax!

By two cents.

Doing a quick search here and it looks like they're trying to trace California's revenue woes to Jerry Brown. Uh huh. He left office 27 years ago or more than 1/4 century ago. Yep, it's ALL Jerry Brown's fault.

By the time Whitman and the GOP are done, Jerry will be lucky if he's as popular as Osama bin Laden...unless, of course, the Democrats counter.

104 Gus  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 4:59:00pm

re: #98 Ojoe

Jerry Brown would be a good governor.

I remember him as one before.

In face his name is on my architecture diploma, I graduated when Jerry Brown was Governor.

He was progressive in the best sense.

He appointed Sim van der Ryn as state Architect, and a lot of solar and sustainable stuff was done there for a while.

Which if it had been followed up on generally, would have unfunded the Saudis.

I'm for Jerry "You Betcha"

& Palin looks like a jerk there.

She looks like a fool. Last I checked Sarah Palin is still a quitter. It's amazing that she props her self up as a gubernatorial expert after she resigned from office to go on a book tour.

105 tradewind  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:00:09pm

re: #88 KDS1
More like ' Big Silicone Baseballs './

106 prairiefire  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:00:33pm

re: #90 darthstar

Heh...Jerry Brown takes on Sarah Palin's bullshit on Fox (I know, a lot of you don't like Brown because he had a nickname of "moonbeam"...but the clip is still worth watching)...


[Video]

I like him. He's a role model for us aging hippies.

107 albusteve  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:01:01pm

Palin, Brown...who cares?...you think these elections are going to change the vibe in this country?....NOT

108 prairiefire  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:01:32pm

re: #100 Charles

She posted that picture to gloat when she won the Wizbang blogger awards. Not because she likes LGF.

Maybe KDS1 knew that already.

109 Varek Raith  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:01:33pm
110 Renaissance_Man  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:02:05pm

re: #104 Gus 802

She looks like a fool. Last I checked Sarah Palin is still a quitter. It's amazing that she props her self up as a gubernatorial expert after she resigned from office to go on a book tour.

I haven't actually seen her on TV in a while, and that schtick is really, really unbecoming. Only to those who unconditionally hate all liberals/Democrats could that sort of sneering, scoffing attitude come of as anything but juvenile.

111 Ojoe  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:02:35pm

re: #107 albusteve

Jerry Brown is actually different from almost all politicians.

For one, he's very intelligent.

112 KDS1  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:02:46pm

re: #100 Charles

She posted that picture to gloat when she won the Wizbang blogger awards. Not because she likes LGF.

I just find the picture funny... Weird sense of humor i guess

113 Digital Display  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:03:27pm

re: #106 prairiefire

I like him. He's a role model for us aging hippies.

Remember when he was Gov. Moonbeam and dated Linda and wouldn't live in the Gov. Mansion?
Good old Jerry...Might as well elect him...California is going down in flames...
Go all out...

114 Varek Raith  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:03:46pm

re: #112 KDS1

I just find the picture funny... Weird sense of humor i guess

Heh, well, it is Pam...
Everything she does is amusing in a messed up kind of way.
:)

115 albusteve  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:03:46pm

re: #111 Ojoe

Jerry Brown is actually different from almost all politicians.

For one, he's very intelligent.

means nothing...BO has an IQ of 167, and it hasn't done him a lick of good

116 Gus  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:04:00pm

re: #103 darthstar

By the time Whitman and the GOP are done, Jerry will be lucky if he's as popular as Osama bin Laden...unless, of course, the Democrats counter.

Right. Brown of course will be running on his record. For better or for worse. Whitman has no public service record. Thus they will have plenty of material to criticize Brown. She does support gay adoptions but supports Prop. 8 and has a mixed conservative platform.

117 Mocking Jay  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:05:45pm

re: #115 albusteve

means nothing...BO has an IQ of 167, and it hasn't done him me a lick of good

Fixt, 'cause the man's made it to President of the United States. I'd say it does done him a lot of good.

118 albusteve  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:06:58pm

CAs record speaks for itself...I see no reason that some recycled pol is going to be able to change the spending, entitlement attitude out there....wtf is so exciting about Brown?

119 Mocking Jay  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:07:00pm

re: #117 JasonA

Fixt, 'cause the man's made it to President of the United States. I'd say it has done him a lot of good.

pimf

120 Ojoe  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:08:38pm

Well BHO doesn't act like he has a high IQ.

IMHO

121 albusteve  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:09:05pm

re: #117 JasonA

Fixt, 'cause the man's made it to President of the United States. I'd say it does done him a lot of good.

bravado....YEEEHAAA! BO IS THE MAN!
HE WON!
ho hum...so what?

122 tradewind  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:09:16pm

re: #104 Gus 802
The quitter tag is a little outdated, Gus. Broadcast personality, political analyst, speaker..... those are more applicable. Whether or not you like her personality or her politics, Ms. Palin continues to live rent- free in the heads of major media outlets.... even those going broke, like Newsweek.

[Link: www.newsweek.com...]

123 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:09:48pm

re: #90 darthstar

Heh...Jerry Brown takes on Sarah Palin's bullshit on Fox (I know, a lot of you don't like Brown because he had a nickname of "moonbeam"...but the clip is still worth watching)...


[Video]

The moonbeam thing was always bullshit, he wanted and California eventually got an emergency communications satellite. We still use it, that was some forward thinking leadership and the guy who gave him the nickname later came to repudiate it:

The nickname was coined by Mike Royko, the famed Chicago columnist, who in 1976 said that Mr. Brown appeared to be attracting “the moonbeam vote,” which in Chicago political parlance meant young, idealistic and nontraditional.

The term had a nice California feel, and Mr. Royko eventually began applying it when he wrote about the Golden State’s young, idealistic and nontraditional chief executive. He found endless amusement — and sometimes outright agita — in California’s oddities, calling the state “the world’s largest outdoor mental asylum.”

“If it babbles and its eyeballs are glazed,” he noted in April 1979, “it probably comes from California.”

But as any New Age Californian can tell you, such hate is probably cover for a deeper love. And so it was with Mr. Royko, who after many vicious gibes at Mr. Brown’s expense offered an outright apology to the governor, and spent years trying to erase the moniker.

In a 1991 column in The Chicago Tribune, he called the label, an “idiotic, damn-fool, meaningless, throw-away line,” and pleaded with people to stop using it.

“Enough of this ‘Moonbeam’ stuff,” Mr. Royko concluded. “I declare it null, void and deceased.”

124 Gus  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:09:52pm

re: #122 tradewind

The quitter tag is a little outdated, Gus. Broadcast personality, political analyst, speaker... those are more applicable. Whether or not you like her personality or her politics, Ms. Palin continues to live rent- free in the heads of major media outlets... even those going broke, like Newsweek.

[Link: www.newsweek.com...]

Sarah Palin is a quitter.

125 brookly red  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:09:54pm

re: #120 Ojoe

Well BHO doesn't act like he has a high IQ.

IMHO

it is what it is.

126 prairiefire  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:10:52pm

re: #122 tradewind

The quitter tag is a little outdated, Gus. Broadcast personality, political analyst, speaker... those are more applicable. Whether or not you like her personality or her politics, Ms. Palin continues to live rent- free in the heads of major media outlets... even those going broke, like Newsweek.

[Link: www.newsweek.com...]

Once a quitter, always a quitter. It will be a central part of her biography for ever.

127 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:11:13pm

This new EyeTV HD is one helluva cool gadget, by the way. I'm having way too much fun with it.

Just recorded Blue Velvet in HD, and can't wait for the Lakers-Celtics game tomorrow.

Installation was totally simple and it works flawlessly. I'm watching CNN right now in full screen HD on my second Apple 30" monitor.

128 albusteve  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:11:46pm

re: #120 Ojoe

Well BHO doesn't act like he has a high IQ.

IMHO

he's so smart, he's stupid by half....personally he has slammed through two of the worst pieces of legislation in history, but only because his minions cannot and will not defy him....he walks on water to them, a very bad attitude and you see it here every day

129 Gus  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:12:26pm

re: #126 prairiefire

Once a quitter, always a quitter. It will be a central part of her biography for ever.

Yep. Couldn't take the heat of being governor. Not suitable for high office. End of story. She should stick to living "rent free" with her Montel Williamsesque shtick.

130 brookly red  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:12:40pm

re: #124 Gus 802

Sarah Palin is a quitter.

there is no pleasing some people... first they say she is an ahole & should resign & when she dose she is a quitter. sheesh.

131 wrenchwench  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:13:05pm

re: #122 tradewind

The quitter tag is a little outdated, Gus.

Did she unquit?!?

132 jamesfirecat  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:13:15pm

re: #128 albusteve

he's so smart, he's stupid by half...personally he has slammed through two of the worst pieces of legislation in history, but only because his minions cannot and will not defy him...he walks on water to them, a very bad attitude and you see it here every day

I know healthcare was one, what was the other? Spending money to create government jobs in the middle of a recession/depression?

133 prairiefire  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:13:22pm

re: #128 albusteve

He doesn't walk on water for this minion. I don't see it as a bad attitude. Just supporting our President.

134 bratwurst  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:13:29pm

re: #122 tradewind

The quitter tag is a little outdated, Gus.

Um, less than a year ago SHE QUIT. She decided to stop doing the job she promised her constituents she would do.

135 KDS1  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:13:35pm

re: #127 Charles

This new EyeTV HD is one helluva cool gadget, by the way. I'm having way too much fun with it.

Just recorded Blue Velvet in HD, and can't wait for the Lakers-Celtics game tomorrow.

Installation was totally simple and it works flawlessly. I'm watching CNN right now in full screen HD on my second Apple 30" monitor.

Are you going to hook it up to the 47" for the lakers game?

136 darthstar  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:14:11pm

re: #123 goddamnedfrank

There aren't reporters like Royko anymore who would be willing to admit they were wrong.

137 Gus  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:14:24pm

re: #130 brookly red

there is no pleasing some people... first they say she is an ahole & should resign & when she dose she is a quitter. sheesh.

I had no idea what she was doing after the elections. At the time I didn't think she was an asshole and didn't think she should resign. She could have stayed in office and rode out whatever controversies she was facing. Heck, if Mark Sanford can stay in office so could have she.

138 Varek Raith  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:14:38pm

re: #134 bratwurst

Um, less than a year ago SHE QUIT. She decided to stop doing the job she promised her constituents she would do.

Ancient history.
Now, let's talk about Ayers.
/

139 albusteve  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:14:45pm

re: #129 Gus 802

Yep. Couldn't take the heat of being governor. Not suitable for high office. End of story. She should stick to living "rent free" with her Montel Williamsesque shtick.

you don't even compare to Cato's monumental bluster...she is in your head, right where she wants you...same with Beck and Rush and the rest

140 What, me worry?  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:15:05pm

re: #115 albusteve

means nothing...BO has an IQ of 167, and it hasn't done him a lick of good

The whole irony of the "sekrit Muslim" argument is that he spent 20 years in Rev. Wright's church so whatever negative views he got about Israel, he mostly likely got from a Christian teaching, not a Muslim one. No one wants to address that.

I don't think he's against Israel, but I think he's misguided about the Israel/Arab conflict. He should learn better from previous administrations, one is about moral equivalency.

141 prairiefire  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:15:33pm

re: #130 brookly red

there is no pleasing some people... first they say she is an ahole & should resign & when she dose she is a quitter. sheesh.

Who said she should resign? I was looking forward to seeing how she handled the challenges of her second term after being thrust into the spotlight by McCain. But no, she decided she could not handle the challenges of governing and she quit.

142 tradewind  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:15:39pm

re: #126 prairiefire
Not so much. It may remain the central focus for you, but ' in her biography ', it'll be way down on the list, and certainly below 'vice-presidential nominee '.
Anymore than a central focus of Clinton's bio will be ' shameless womanizer '. Nor should it be.

143 brookly red  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:15:45pm

re: #139 albusteve

you don't even compare to Cato's monumental bluster...she is in your head, right where she wants you...same with Beck and Rush and the rest

touche! now twist it.

144 Mocking Jay  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:15:45pm

re: #138 Varek Raith

Ancient history.
Now, let's talk about Ayers.
/

I'd rather hear more bitching about ACORN. That horse might be dead but it's far from buried...

145 Varek Raith  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:15:48pm

re: #139 albusteve

you don't even compare to Cato's monumental bluster...she is in your head, right where she wants you...same with Beck and Rush and the rest

Hey!
I think I just saw Obama wave at me from behind your right eye!
Neat!

146 albusteve  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:15:49pm

re: #133 prairiefire

He doesn't walk on water for this minion. I don't see it as a bad attitude. Just supporting our President.

support what?...Pelosi has so far carried his magic water for him...BO himself has done nothing but fuck up on his own

147 Gus  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:15:51pm

re: #139 albusteve

you don't even compare to Cato's monumental bluster...she is in your head, right where she wants you...same with Beck and Rush and the rest

Bullshit Steve. Someone brought up a video with Sarah Palin so that became the topic. Deal with it. She's not in my head. I think it's in your head that she's in our head.

148 What, me worry?  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:16:08pm

re: #140 marjoriemoon

The whole irony of the "sekrit Muslim" argument is that he spent 20 years in Rev. Wright's church so whatever negative views he got about Israel, he mostly likely got from a Christian teaching, not a Muslim one. No one wants to address that.

I don't think he's against Israel, but I think he's misguided about the Israel/Arab conflict. He should learn better from previous administrations, one is about moral equivalency.

Stud muffin.

149 Gus  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:16:35pm

re: #146 albusteve

support what?...Pelosi has so far carried his magic water for him...BO himself has done nothing but fuck up on his own

Face it Steve. BO's in your head!!!1!11

150 albusteve  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:16:52pm

re: #140 marjoriemoon

The whole irony of the "sekrit Muslim" argument is that he spent 20 years in Rev. Wright's church so whatever negative views he got about Israel, he mostly likely got from a Christian teaching, not a Muslim one. No one wants to address that.

I don't think he's against Israel, but I think he's misguided about the Israel/Arab conflict. He should learn better from previous administrations, one is about moral equivalency.

in short, he's an idiot that would better serve voting present in Illinois

151 tradewind  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:17:05pm

re: #140 marjoriemoon
You don't get anti Israel views from mainstream Christian theology. Black Liberation theology, maybe.

152 brookly red  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:17:23pm

re: #149 Gus 802

Face it Steve. BO's in your head!!!1!11

no BO is in my pocket... big difference :)

153 avanti  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:17:44pm

OK, we should be able to check Pam's "scoop" on Obama Muslim story, there has to be a tape:

"Victor Mordecai, writing in the May 2010 edition of Israel Today (PDF, 4MB), offers this report which, as yet, is unconfirmed by an independent source such as MEMRI.
My wife Rachel, who monitors Arab language broadcasts for Israel Radio, picked up a revealing statement on the “Round Table Show” on Egypt’s Nile TV."

link.

154 albusteve  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:17:58pm

re: #147 Gus 802

Bullshit Steve. Someone brought up a video with Sarah Palin so that became the topic. Deal with it. She's not in my head. I think it's in your head that she's in our head.

somebody is in somebody's head

155 prairiefire  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:18:30pm

I think Ashton Kutcher is in my head. : )

156 tradewind  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:18:33pm

re: #149 Gus 802
That's not actually its usual source..../

157 Varek Raith  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:18:39pm

re: #154 albusteve

somebody is in somebody's head

Mine.
Now, GET THE HELL OUT!11!!!1

158 jamesfirecat  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:19:20pm

re: #151 tradewind

You don't get anti Israel views from mainstream Christian theology. Black Liberation theology, maybe.

Is there a reason to suspect that Black Liberation theology is anti-Jewish?

159 brookly red  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:19:24pm

re: #154 albusteve

somebody is in somebody's head

the voices in my head speak latin... I don't understand it but I know when they are angry.

160 Gus  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:19:24pm

re: #157 Varek Raith

Mine.
Now, GET THE HELL OUT!11!!!1

All your heads are belong to us!

/Leave Sarah Palin alone! [snif]

/

161 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:19:58pm

I am enjoying this. 8:00pm - 9:30pm, WNJSDT (23.1)
Tommy Emmanuel: Center Stage
Australian guitarist Tommy Emmanuel performs at the Sierra Nevada Brewery.

162 Amory Blaine  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:21:01pm

re: #135 KDS1

Heineken???? Fuck That Shit!!!!!! Pabst Blue Ribbon!!!!!

163 albusteve  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:21:11pm

re: #153 avanti

OK, we should be able to check Pam's "scoop" on Obama Muslim story, there has to be a tape:

"Victor Mordecai, writing in the May 2010 edition of Israel Today (PDF, 4MB), offers this report which, as yet, is unconfirmed by an independent source such as MEMRI.
My wife Rachel, who monitors Arab language broadcasts for Israel Radio, picked up a revealing statement on the “Round Table Show” on Egypt’s Nile TV."

link.

ooohhh!...that's HUGE!

164 Gus  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:21:50pm

This! Is in my head.

Image: bikini1_t300.jpg

165 prairiefire  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:22:33pm

re: #162 Amory Blaine

Heineken??? Fuck That Shit!!! Pabst Blue Ribbon!!!

Oh no, a hipster./

166 Targetpractice  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:22:42pm

re: #164 Gus 802

This! Is in my head.

Image: bikini1_t300.jpg

...I'll be in my bunk.

167 albusteve  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:22:51pm

re: #164 Gus 802

This! Is in my head.

Image: bikini1_t300.jpg

nice boat...thanks for that

168 Varek Raith  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:23:56pm

re: #167 albusteve

nice boat...thanks for that

What boat?
Did you see that cloud??!!

169 albusteve  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:24:25pm

re: #168 Varek Raith

What boat?
Did you see that cloud??!!

yeah, looks like rain later

170 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:25:36pm
171 KDS1  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:26:23pm

re: #164 Gus 802

This! Is in my head.

Image: bikini1_t300.jpg

Why did you imagine her with clothes?

172 Gus  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:26:24pm

re: #170 Charles

Mommy.

Isn't that Dennis Hopper?

173 Digital Display  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:26:34pm

There is a huge storm hitting Indiana right now..The Thunder is loud and Little Winston is under the covers in my Bed...
I figure the power will go out any time...

174 prairiefire  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:27:25pm

re: #170 Charles

Mommy.

I'm related to Dean Stockwell. I wish I could say I have met them man, but I have not. I used to think it would be groovy for him to introduce me to Neil Young and Dennis Hopper. Oh well.

175 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:27:25pm

re: #172 Gus 802

Isn't that Dennis Hopper?

One of his most memorable roles.

176 What, me worry?  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:27:26pm

re: #151 tradewind

You don't get anti Israel views from mainstream Christian theology. Black Liberation theology, maybe.

I don't know. But I don't think Obama is an anti-Semite or even anti-Israel. And he's not a Muslim.

I think he thinks he can negotiate with the Palestinians and I don't think that's possible.

177 albusteve  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:27:33pm

re: #170 Charles

Mommy.

no nitrous for mom!

178 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:27:48pm

re: #123 goddamnedfrank

More on Moonbeam:

As Governor, Brown proposed the establishment of a state space academy and the purchasing of a satellite that would be launched into orbit to provide emergency communications for the state—a proposal similar to one that was indeed eventually adopted. In 1978 in a Rolling Stone interview Linda Ronstadt called her then boyfriend, Jerry Brown, her "Little Moonbeam".

Mike Royko picked it up from there.

Both the space academy and the emergency satellite were eminently workable ideas that fell afoul of the frivolous connotation attached to spaceflight by much of what passed for mainstream society in the cultural desert of the 70s. The idea behind the space academy was to provide a professional training facility to support of the state's enormous aerospace industry. It would have been analogous to such institutions as the Massachusetts Maritime Academy.
As the article notes, the emergency satellite proposal was eventually adopted.

179 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:28:42pm

re: #173 HoosierHoops
Be careful.

180 albusteve  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:29:29pm

re: #175 Charles

One of his most memorable roles.

Blue Velvet?

181 tradewind  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:30:11pm

re: #158 jamesfirecat
/face-plant/

182 brookly red  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:30:24pm

re: #176 marjoriemoon

I don't know. But I don't think Obama is an anti-Semite or even anti-Israel. And he's not a Muslim.

I think he thinks he can negotiate with the Palestinians and I don't think that's possible.

I ran the word negotiate through my Chicago to English translator & it came up with pay off... and yes it's not possible.

183 avanti  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:31:04pm

re: #163 albusteve

ooohhh!...that's HUGE!

Yea, Pam got it from the Israeli paper who got it from a guys wife who said she heard on the radio that someone said Obama said it. No need to fact check further, he's a Muslim, we're doomed./

184 albusteve  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:31:07pm

re: #176 marjoriemoon

I don't know. But I don't think Obama is an anti-Semite or even anti-Israel. And he's not a Muslim.

I think he thinks he can negotiate with the Palestinians and I don't think that's possible.

and even you can figure that out...what's that say about BO?...what exactly has he brought to the ME?....anything positive?....no

185 albusteve  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:32:26pm

re: #183 avanti

Yea, Pam got it from the Israeli paper who got it from a guys wife who said she heard on the radio that someone said Obama said it. No need to fact check further, he's a Muslim, we're doomed./

we are doomed but for a different reason than you are willing to grasp

186 avanti  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:32:48pm

re: #184 albusteve

and even you can figure that out...what's that say about BO?...what exactly has he brought to the ME?...anything positive?...no

I got me a Unicorn !

187 brookly red  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:32:52pm

re: #184 albusteve

and even you can figure that out...what's that say about BO?...what exactly has he brought to the ME?...anything positive?...no

well the bad guys are positively sure we won't do jack to stop them...

188 tradewind  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:33:01pm

re: #176 marjoriemoon
I doubt that Obama absorbed much of what Wright prattled on about for twenty years re Israel.
Not that that's a bad thing, just the opposite.

189 Gus  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:33:40pm

re: #186 avanti

I got me a Unicorn !

Is that the new Honda?

/

190 albusteve  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:33:51pm

re: #187 brookly red

well the bad guys are positively sure we won't do jack to stop them...

let's raid the Israeli border!

191 avanti  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:34:16pm

re: #185 albusteve

we are doomed but for a different reason than you are willing to grasp

I got though 8 years of Bush, you'll make it for 8 of Obama, trust me.

192 albusteve  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:34:32pm

re: #186 avanti

I got me a Unicorn !

you do indeed

193 shai_au  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:34:37pm

Geller was one of the reasons why I came here in the first place. It's good to see her getting some comeuppance.

194 brownbagj  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:34:45pm

Obviously, Pam doesn't believe in American currency, so she no longer needs PayPal.

BUY GOLD!!1!

//

195 prairiefire  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:34:48pm

re: #191 avanti

I got though 8 years of Bush, you'll make it for 8 of Obama, trust me.

Oy, the pain. Don't remind me.

196 Gus  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:34:56pm

re: #190 albusteve

let's raid the Israeli border!

So you fault Obama, in part, for these flotillas?

197 albusteve  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:35:19pm

re: #191 avanti

I got though 8 years of Bush, you'll make it for 8 of Obama, trust me.

8 years of Bush?...you didn't like George?

198 brookly red  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:35:23pm

re: #191 avanti

I got though 8 years of Bush, you'll make it for 8 of Obama, trust me.

no he won't be re-elected the numbers are not there.

199 tradewind  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:35:25pm

re: #176 marjoriemoon
I think Obama is only anti-anything per se if it's interfering with his day to day. That includes Israel.
He would probably describe himself as a pragmatist re all things ME.

200 avanti  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:35:44pm

re: #192 albusteve

you do indeed

It's purdy too.

201 albusteve  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:35:59pm

re: #196 Gus 802

So you fault Obama, in part, for these flotillas?

yes...weakness is a certain advantage

202 Mocking Jay  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:36:07pm

re: #196 Gus 802

So you fault Obama, in part, for these flotillas?

He's made this country look weak in the eyes of the world!

So they're trying to break the Israeli blockade...

/

203 Gus  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:36:21pm

Obama - we're doomed!
Bush - we're doomed!
Clinton - we're doomed!
Bush - we're doomed!
Reagan - we're doomed!
Carter - we're doomed!
...

Yawn.

204 albusteve  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:36:29pm

re: #200 avanti

It's purdy too.

any tongue yet?

205 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:37:02pm

re: #203 Gus 802
That seems almost funny.

206 Gus  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:37:59pm

re: #205 PhillyPretzel

That seems almost funny.

Humans. We're always "doomed" because of the president and the end of the world is always 2 years away. That's a constant.

207 avanti  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:38:07pm

re: #198 brookly red

no he won't be re-elected the numbers are not there.

Who has the GOP got that will beat him, that's the problem ?

208 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:38:47pm

re: #206 Gus 802

True.

209 albusteve  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:39:25pm

re: #206 Gus 802

Humans. We're always "doomed" because of the president and the end of the world is always 2 years away. That's a constant.

get on the bus Gus

210 Gus  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:39:53pm

re: #209 albusteve

get on the bus Gus

Off to the FEMA camp for me!

/

211 prairiefire  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:39:58pm

re: #207 avanti

Who has the GOP got that will beat him, that's the problem ?

Obama thinks he will be up against Romney.

212 What, me worry?  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:40:10pm

re: #199 tradewind

I think Obama is only anti-anything per se if it's interfering with his day to day. That includes Israel.
He would probably describe himself as a pragmatist re all things ME.

He's a mediator. Diplomacy is his thing, and it's a good trait. But there are certain realities in the Middle East, namely decades of proposed treaties with the Palestinians that haven't worked.

I'm not happy to continue bad Bush policies either. I like Bush's tough talk actually, but nothing will change until the Arabs want change so we need different strategies. I don't know what those are, of course.

213 brookly red  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:40:17pm

re: #207 avanti

Who has the GOP got that will beat him, that's the problem ?

anybody really... probably someone we never heard of but we don't vote for people anymore we vote against them & that is the the way it is.

214 albusteve  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:40:22pm

re: #207 avanti

Who has the GOP got that will beat him, that's the problem ?

nobody...imagine the Tea Party taking the WH and congress...chew on that

215 albusteve  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:40:47pm

re: #210 Gus 802

Off to the FEMA camp for me!

/

see ya there bro!

216 avanti  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:41:46pm

re: #203 Gus 802

Obama - we're doomed!
Bush - we're doomed!
Clinton - we're doomed!
Bush - we're doomed!
Reagan - we're doomed!
Carter - we're doomed!
...

Yawn.

True, but WTF do I do if we get, say Palin/Beck or to be fair Pelosi/Soros ?

217 brookly red  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:41:53pm

re: #214 albusteve

nobody...imagine the Tea Party taking the WH and congress...chew on that

Steve, stop scaring the children.

218 albusteve  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:41:53pm

re: #211 prairiefire

Obama thinks he will be up against Romney.

whatever...Romney would kill BO in a debate...a slaughter

219 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:42:19pm

I may write a review of the EyeTV HD. It's the first Mac HD cable-satellite DVR that really works well and is reasonably priced. It includes an "IR blaster" - a cable with a little infrared light that changes channels on the box. Works perfectly with my Time Warner Motorola HD box.

220 brookly red  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:43:39pm

re: #218 albusteve

whatever...Romney would kill BO in a debate...a slaughter

I think the GOP will run a woman this time... in fact I am pretty damn sure.

221 prairiefire  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:43:43pm

re: #218 albusteve

whatever...Romney would kill BO in a debate...a slaughter

Really? Romney is vulnerable because of all of his flip flops. Don't you remember all the republicans waving those plastic shoes in regards to Kerry?

222 Mocking Jay  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:43:45pm

OT: Prayer, Confession and the Police

The use of a defendant's faith to get a confession is not unusual. In California, for example, police got a confession from a woman after the detective told her, "There's something up above, bigger than both of us looking down saying, 'Celeste, you know that you shot that person in San Carlos and it's time to purge it all.'" Other cases have followed the same pattern.

You know, I really don't have a problem with this. You have the right to remain silent. Exercise it.

223 Gus  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:43:57pm

re: #216 avanti

True, but WTF do I do if we get, say Palin/Beck or to be fair Pelosi/Soros ?

Duck and cover! Then we'd really need those survival seeds.

224 tradewind  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:44:04pm

re: #212 marjoriemoon

He's a mediator. Diplomacy is his thing,

.... I don't really think Beer Summit counts./
Diplomacy?
Not so much. Bitter Clingers, Cops Acting Stupidly, looking for Ass To Kick......
The language of diplomacy? Nope.

225 albusteve  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:45:01pm

re: #219 Charles

I may write a review of the EyeTV HD. It's the first Mac HD cable-satellite DVR that really works well and is reasonably priced. It includes an "IR blaster" - a cable with a little infrared light that changes channels on the box. Works perfectly with my Time Warner Motorola HD box.


Charles' world....

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226 bratwurst  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:45:30pm

re: #220 brookly red

I think the GOP will run a woman this time... in fact I am pretty damn sure.

You betcha! *wink*

227 tradewind  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:45:58pm

re: #219 Charles
I love my IR blaster , but sometimes it has a mind of its own and refuses to blast. Pop one of the AAA's out and back in, and it works again. Very strange.

228 albusteve  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:46:33pm

re: #221 prairiefire

Really? Romney is vulnerable because of all of his flip flops. Don't you remember all the republicans waving those plastic shoes in regards to Kerry?

he's adapting to changing facts...he was with it before he was against it...that's cool now

229 Gus  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:46:41pm

re: #220 brookly red

I think the GOP will run a woman this time... in fact I am pretty damn sure.

Right now my guess would be Jindal.

230 avanti  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:46:55pm

re: #212 marjoriemoon

He's a mediator. Diplomacy is his thing, and it's a good trait. But there are certain realities in the Middle East, namely decades of proposed treaties with the Palestinians that haven't worked.

I'm not happy to continue bad Bush policies either. I like Bush's tough talk actually, but nothing will change until the Arabs want change so we need different strategies. I don't know what those are, of course.

In read his books, and watched him in action and I'll give you that he's naive. He thinks you can rationalize with irrational leaders. i.e. he really believed he could sway bad guys to do good things.

231 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:47:20pm

re: #227 tradewind
circuitry gets overloaded?

232 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:47:45pm

re: #198 brookly red

no he won't be re-elected the numbers are not there.

hahaha you will really be quite surprised on election day, it'll be fun to watch

233 Mocking Jay  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:48:37pm

re: #229 Gus 802

Right now my guess would be Jindal.


Not a bad guess with all the good press he's getting lately. Should make for some attack ads with Mt. St. Helens erupting...

234 jamesfirecat  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:48:41pm

re: #198 brookly red

no he won't be re-elected the numbers are not there.

Who are the Republicans going to run against him?

235 tradewind  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:48:44pm

re: #134 bratwurst
Yeah, and that's all anyone talks about anymore.
Only not.
Geez, moveon(. org,) will ya?

236 brookly red  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:49:08pm

re: #229 Gus 802

Right now my guess would be Jindal.

maybe but look at their pipeline, all girl power.

237 tradewind  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:50:18pm

re: #231 PhillyPretzel
Maybe. I know less than zero re such things. All I know is every so often I will aim the remote and nada..... have to get up and either reposition or battery in/out thing.
But at least I don't have to deal with cable boxes, dvrs, etc, in plain sight.

238 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:50:31pm

re: #220 brookly red

I think the GOP will run a woman this time... in fact I am pretty damn sure.

Who though? It isn't going to be Olympia Snowe or Susan Collins, that's for sure.

239 avanti  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:50:39pm

re: #232 WindUpBird

hahaha you will really be quite surprised on election day, it'll be fun to watch

I'll admit I went back and followed the last election in the LGF archives, Lots of folks were surprised and not very happy.

240 albusteve  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:50:44pm

re: #229 Gus 802

Right now my guess would be Jindal.

Voo Doo Bobby?....could be, our first totally nutcase President...a no fringe, no rad bonafied lunatic, the real deal...he's got one foot on the platform, and another foot on the train

241 Gus  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:50:53pm

re: #233 JasonA

Not a bad guess with all the good press he's getting lately. Should make for some attack ads with Mt. St. Helens erupting...

Exactly. This is based on his recent publicity surrounding the Gulf of Mexico oil spill. He's getting a lot of positive exposure from a variety of media outlets. Since we're a little over 2 years away that can all change.

242 albusteve  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:51:48pm

re: #239 avanti

I'll admit I went back and followed the last election in the LGF archives, Lots of folks were surprised and not very happy.

that would be me

243 Mocking Jay  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:51:49pm

re: #238 goddamnedfrank

Who though? It isn't going to be Olympia Snowe or Susan Collins, that's for sure.

Beat me to it. Hutchison's pro-choice too, no?

244 prairiefire  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:51:52pm

re: #239 avanti

I'll admit I went back and followed the last election in the LGF archives, Lots of folks were surprised and not very happy.

Too delicious. I won't go back and "drink their pain". H/T Redstate.

245 What, me worry?  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:52:04pm

re: #224 tradewind

... I don't really think Beer Summit counts./
Diplomacy?
Not so much. Bitter Clingers, Cops Acting Stupidly, looking for Ass To Kick...
The language of diplomacy? Nope.

I don't expect the Republicans here to recognize Obama that way. You all don't recognize Clinton as a diplomat either.

246 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:52:06pm

re: #237 tradewind

Please don't laugh I had that happen with a tower fan remote. I switched the batteries and it worked perfectly.

247 tradewind  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:52:25pm

re: #229 Gus 802
If he just weren't so dorky when he's dressed up and giving a speech. I keep waiting for Bollywood to break out in the background, and not just because he is of Indian descent.... other Indian-American politicians don't have the same effect on me.

248 wrenchwench  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:52:29pm

Later. lizards. Time for ice cream.

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249 Mocking Jay  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:53:14pm

re: #247 tradewind

If he just weren't so dorky when he's dressed up and giving a speech. I keep waiting for Bollywood to break out in the background, and not just because he is of Indian descent... other Indian-American politicians don't have the same effect on me.

There are others?

/

250 albusteve  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:53:29pm

re: #248 wrenchwench

Later. lizards. Time for ice cream.

Image: funny-pictures-bear-serves-ice-cream.jpg

yaaay!...I scream!

251 Gus  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:53:42pm

re: #240 albusteve

Voo Doo Bobby?...could be, our first totally nutcase President...a no fringe, no rad bonafied lunatic, the real deal...he's got one foot on the platform, and another foot on the train

I don't think that would have an impact. It was something he did while he was in college and some of the reports of what he did aren't very accurate. If we look at the college shenanigans of previous presidents it's a wash. Americans won't care.

252 tradewind  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:54:07pm

re: #246 PhillyPretzel
Not laughing, that's what I often do.... change the batteries, the thing's hell on the triple A's.
What do you mean by circuit overload? Too many things plugged in to one outlet?

253 Gus  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:54:34pm

re: #247 tradewind

If he just weren't so dorky when he's dressed up and giving a speech. I keep waiting for Bollywood to break out in the background, and not just because he is of Indian descent... other Indian-American politicians don't have the same effect on me.

Yeah. He's as thin as a rail. He would have to bulk up some. Strange but true.

254 prairiefire  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:54:36pm

re: #247 tradewind

His speaking voice reminds of Kevin the page on 30 Rock. Not his fault, but still, it does not help.
I do think Jindal is earning some bona fides with his handling of the BP spill.

255 tradewind  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:54:45pm

re: #249 JasonA
There are.

256 brookly red  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:55:25pm

re: #247 tradewind

If he just weren't so dorky when he's dressed up and giving a speech. I keep waiting for Bollywood to break out in the background, and not just because he is of Indian descent... other Indian-American politicians don't have the same effect on me.

no actually Jindal will play a part, he will be there to remind everyone about the sandbars he wanted to build... but noooo.

257 prairiefire  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:55:45pm

re: #255 tradewind

There are.

Nikki Haley. Who are the others?

258 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:55:48pm

re: #243 JasonA

Beat me to it. Hutchison's pro-choice too, no?

No, she's not.

259 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:58:17pm

re: #227 tradewind

I love my IR blaster , but sometimes it has a mind of its own and refuses to blast. Pop one of the AAA's out and back in, and it works again. Very strange.

The EyeTV HD's IR blaster plugs into a jack on the unit, then the unit plugs into a powered USB port on the computer and gets all its power from that. No batteries or AC adaptors/cables.

Inputs: component video with L/R audio, or S-video with L/R audio. My only complaint is a relatively minor one; it doesn't support optical audio input for surround sound. Most HD cable boxes have an optical audio output.

260 Mocking Jay  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:58:52pm

re: #258 goddamnedfrank

No, she's not.

I... I can't tell...

261 tradewind  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:58:56pm

re: #245 marjoriemoon
Which Clinton... Bill, or Hilary?
And this ' you all ' would be happier with either of them in the WH right now. Bill Clinton is nothing if not a wonderful schmoozer, and he had his good qualities....for instance, he actually listened to/learned from his political adversaries, and took what he could from them. Bogarted them, but so what? The result is what counts.
The jury's out on Madame Sec/State.

262 albusteve  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:59:05pm

re: #251 Gus 802

I don't think that would have an impact. It was something he did while he was in college and some of the reports of what he did aren't very accurate. If we look at the college shenanigans of previous presidents it's a wash. Americans won't care.

I have no clue what Americans will fall for...nothing surprises me, and that's the truth

263 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 5:59:36pm

re: #229 Gus 802

Right now my guess would be Jindal.

Jindal does seem to be redeeming himself a bit, with this spill crisis.

This sort of thing is exactly what Jindal handles really well - unfortunately, it's the ONLY type of thing Jindal handles really well. You can't run a government with no abilities except the ability to handle a crisis, because a crisis won't necessarily happen on your watch, one would hope.

264 brookly red  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 6:00:17pm

re: #262 albusteve

I have no clue what Americans will fall for...nothing surprises me, and that's the truth

Americans will vote their pocket books every time.

265 albusteve  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 6:00:32pm

re: #256 brookly red

no actually Jindal will play a part, he will be there to remind everyone about the sandbars he wanted to build... but nooo.

no crisis wasted

266 Gus  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 6:00:32pm

re: #263 reine.de.tout

Jindal does seem to be redeeming himself a bit, with this spill crisis.

This sort of thing is exactly what Jindal handles really well - unfortunately, it's the ONLY type of thing Jindal handles really well. You can't run a government with no abilities except the ability to handle a crisis, because a crisis won't necessarily happen on your watch, one would hope.

Was hoping you would chime in.

267 brookly red  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 6:01:41pm

re: #265 albusteve

no crisis wasted

like any blade it cuts both ways.

268 KDS1  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 6:02:51pm

re: #263 reine.de.tout

Jindal does seem to be redeeming himself a bit, with this spill crisis.

This sort of thing is exactly what Jindal handles really well - unfortunately, it's the ONLY type of thing Jindal handles really well. You can't run a government with no abilities except the ability to handle a crisis, because a crisis won't necessarily happen on your watch, one would hope.

If your so lousy in handling your day-to-day business, there will be a crisis sooner or later...

269 Obdicut  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 6:03:07pm

re: #263 reine.de.tout

Heh. Before the recession, I thought my CEO was lousy. He just was uninspired, seemed bored all the time.

Then the recession hit, and he was jumping around like a madman, and managed to keep the company afloat through difficult times. Lots of people were let go, but everyone got let go on the first of the month (for the health insurance coverage), they gave one months' notice and two months' severance, and they announced they would not contest unemployment for anyone. The executive team took a salary freeze and no bonuses, too. He rented out some unused space we weren't using, and translated that directly into keeping some people employed. He was great in the crisis.

I wish they could keep two CEOs around, a crisis one and a visionary one, and switch 'em off as needed.

270 tradewind  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 6:03:27pm

re: #257 prairiefire
Raj Goyle in Kansas, Ami Bera in California, Ravi Sangisetty in Louisiana, and Reshma Saujani in New York. Surya Yalamanchili, in Ohio, and Manan Trivedi, in Pennsylvania.
Disclaimer.. I didn't know all these names off-the-cuff, but I had seen several besides Jindal and Haley.

271 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 6:03:57pm

I will totally give Bobby Jindal credit for doing his best to handle the BP spill, while retaining the right to be very unhappy about his support for the stealth creationist bill that's lurking under the radar for now.

272 albusteve  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 6:04:19pm

re: #264 brookly red

Americans will vote their pocket books every time.

I hope so...but even that issue had been bastardized....the feds have done a great job of confusing people and scaring them half to death...people don't know who or what to believe...it's like a disease, swept along by the information business...and btw, I hate the feds and I hate the MSM

273 bratwurst  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 6:04:55pm

re: #235 tradewind

Yeah, and that's all anyone talks about anymore.
Only not.
Geez, moveon(. org,) will ya?

It's 14 months more recent than the Jeremiah Wright story, and you mentioned him in this very thread. Just sayin.

274 tradewind  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 6:05:10pm

re: #263 reine.de.tout
Ideally, we would have executives in the government who were excellent in crisis, as well as excellent delegators for the day to day stuff.

275 tradewind  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 6:05:40pm

re: #273 bratwurst
Oh, he was just in the news. You didn't catch that one?

276 brookly red  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 6:05:58pm

re: #272 albusteve

I hope so...but even that issue had been bastardized...the feds have done a great job of confusing people and scaring them half to death...people don't know who or what to believe...it's like a disease, swept along by the information business...and btw, I hate the feds and I hate the MSM

people know if they have a job or not, no confusion about that.

277 albusteve  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 6:06:10pm

re: #274 tradewind

Ideally, we would have executives in the government who were excellent in crisis, as well as excellent delegators for the day to day stuff.

sounds like Ike...he was that exact person

278 bratwurst  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 6:06:29pm

re: #275 tradewind

Oh, he was just in the news. You didn't catch that one?

And Palin is in the news several times a week. And she is a quitter.

279 albusteve  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 6:07:42pm

re: #276 brookly red

people know if they have a job or not, no confusion about that.

right...taking one for the team is already burned up
I hope you are right

280 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 6:08:38pm

re: #266 Gus 802

Was hoping you would chime in.

Heh.
Jindal is a really odd fellow.

When he speaks, he seems so open and likeable.

But he runs his office in a very closed, almost secretive way.
He won't talk with non-appointed Department heads when they call the Gov's office asking for a meeting. He won't even assign someone to talk with them, which is what previous governors have done.

People I know who worked for him when he ran Louisiana's DHH really do not like him at all. He doesn't seek out the opinions or expertise of others, nor will he pay attention to it when others have legitimate and well-thought-out disagreements with him. He just ignores it all. Just really strange.

The best run Department I ever worked for was headed by an elected official who spent very little time in his office. Most of the time he was out an about, walking the halls, popping into people's offices just to chat, see what was going on, or on the road visiting the satellite offices. Every new employee got a meeting with him. Every new employee, even the janitors, and he made everyone feel special.

Jindal rarely leaves his office or meets with anybody, except his personally chosen circle. It's really odd, and IMO, not a good way to run something as big as a State government (or the Federal Government). You have to know what's going on - and to do that you have to be out and about, and willing to listen to the people doing the work who know what's really happening.

281 What, me worry?  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 6:09:14pm

re: #261 tradewind

Which Clinton... Bill, or Hilary?
And this ' you all ' would be happier with either of them in the WH right now. Bill Clinton is nothing if not a wonderful schmoozer, and he had his good qualities...for instance, he actually listened to/learned from his political adversaries, and took what he could from them. Bogarted them, but so what? The result is what counts.
The jury's out on Madame Sec/State.

I meant Bill. He's well liked all over the world. That's a great thing. He did great for the U.S., too. For Israel, no. If Arafat accepted his offers, it would have been terrible for Israel. That's part of what I mean by learning from past presidencies.

I've always liked Hillary, but I can't get a grip on her foreign policy. I think the whole Israeli-insult-settlement stir up could have been handled better from our end, but then maybe everyone screwed up there.

282 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 6:09:43pm

re: #269 Obdicut

Heh. Before the recession, I thought my CEO was lousy. He just was uninspired, seemed bored all the time.

Then the recession hit, and he was jumping around like a madman, and managed to keep the company afloat through difficult times. Lots of people were let go, but everyone got let go on the first of the month (for the health insurance coverage), they gave one months' notice and two months' severance, and they announced they would not contest unemployment for anyone. The executive team took a salary freeze and no bonuses, too. He rented out some unused space we weren't using, and translated that directly into keeping some people employed. He was great in the crisis.

I wish they could keep two CEOs around, a crisis one and a visionary one, and switch 'em off as needed.

Well, there ya go.
You're right, some people's attributes are weaknesses in one situation; but strengths in a different one.

283 albusteve  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 6:09:52pm

re: #278 bratwurst

And Palin is in the news several times a week. And she is a quitter.

that was, like, a long time ago dude...the only person that makes Palin relevant is you..can you quit droolng just long enough to move on?...forge ahead

284 What, me worry?  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 6:09:56pm

Gonna lay down for a bit... headache... catch you lizards later.

285 tradewind  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 6:10:06pm

Speaking of crisis, this really is an extremely unusual riff for Peggy Noonan, at least in her recent incarnation.... I hope she doesn't know something that we don't....
[Link: online.wsj.com...]

286 tradewind  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 6:10:34pm

re: #277 albusteve
Renaldus Maximus, may he rest in peace.

287 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 6:10:36pm

re: #284 marjoriemoon
I hope you feel better soon.

288 albusteve  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 6:10:38pm

re: #280 reine.de.tout

thanks for that post

289 brookly red  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 6:11:02pm

re: #279 albusteve

right...taking one for the team is already burned up
I hope you are right

I am do the math. In a good economy we have just about an even split... now add in 20 million unemployed, and another 20 million under employed & well you get the picture.

290 Gus  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 6:12:32pm

re: #280 reine.de.tout

Good inside scoop Reine. If that's the case then perhaps he wouldn't be the best choice for the GOP regardless of the positive press he's getting now.

291 ryannon  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 6:12:39pm

re: #170 Charles

Mommy.

Beautiful definition (I mean the screenshot)

292 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 6:13:03pm

Joe Bonamassa now live in HD on Palladia. That's what I'm talkin' 'bout.

293 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 6:13:47pm

re: #274 tradewind

Ideally, we would have executives in the government who were excellent in crisis, as well as excellent delegators for the day to day stuff.

OR, at least have executives who know what their strengths/weaknesses are, and who aren't afraid to hire aides who fill in the weak spots. No one has strengths in all areas; and the key is to find folks to work for you who fill in the blanks.

294 albusteve  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 6:14:11pm

re: #285 tradewind

Speaking of crisis, this really is an extremely unusual riff for Peggy Noonan, at least in her recent incarnation... I hope she doesn't know something that we don't...
[Link: online.wsj.com...]

not sure, but it sounds bad

295 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 6:14:35pm

re: #290 Gus 802

Good inside scoop Reine. If that's the case then perhaps he wouldn't be the best choice for the GOP regardless of the positive press he's getting now.

He probably would not be.
But he has the ability to sound great.
And he really is very smart, as well.
Just has zero personality.

296 albusteve  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 6:14:48pm

re: #292 Charles

Joe Bonamassa now live in HD on Palladia. That's what I'm talkin' 'bout.

ahhh!...I get it now

297 Gus  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 6:15:26pm

re: #293 reine.de.tout

OR, at least have executives who know what their strengths/weaknesses are, and who aren't afraid to hire aides who fill in the weak spots. No one has strengths in all areas; and the key is to find folks to work for you who fill in the blanks.

A sign of a good leader is the ability to hire good people and properly delegate according to the needs of an organization and based on the abilities of those people.

298 KDS1  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 6:15:46pm

re: #295 reine.de.tout

He probably would not be.
But he has the ability to sound great.
And he really is very smart, as well.
Just has zero personality.

Personality is overrated...

299 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 6:17:39pm

re: #297 Gus 802

A sign of a good leader is the ability to hire good people and properly delegate according to the needs of an organization and based on the abilities of those people.

Absolutely!
But there are lots of folks who are so afraid that their underling may "show them up", they can't let go enough to let their good folks do their jobs.


re: #298 KDS1

Personality is overrated...

Oh, I hope you're kidding. That is just so wrong.

300 tradewind  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 6:17:58pm

re: #298 KDS1
Except when it comes to getting elected to national office. Just ask Al Gore.
It's too bad, but in this media age, there really are some people who will never, ever be electable, regardless of their strengths. McLuhan's message is unfair, but it is undeniable.

301 Amory Blaine  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 6:19:44pm

re: #165 prairiefire

It's from Blue Velvet :)

Ohhh Mommy what are those??!!? Don't you fucking look at me!!!!!

302 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 6:19:53pm

re: #298 KDS1

Personality is overrated...

So is deodorant, assuming one is a hermit.

303 KDS1  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 6:21:32pm

re: #299 reine.de.tout

I was. You need to build a good team around you that you can trust and, as you said, delegate. You need good personality in order to build such a team and be able to trust it.

304 tradewind  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 6:24:12pm

re: #294 albusteve
It's a definite departure from the usual quasi-Republican/cocktail party circuit/Dowd-Lite pieces she's been churning out lately. It makes me nervous. That last paragraph is an example of Noonan's very best writing, which hasn't been much in evidence lately. I only hope it is not prescient as well.

305 tradewind  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 6:25:00pm

re: #302 goddamnedfrank

.... or French./

306 Cato the Elder  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 6:28:31pm

Peggy Noonan should go back to her erotic dreams about fondling Reagan's feet.

307 Amory Blaine  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 6:29:25pm

re: #306 Cato the Elder

Sounds sexy :p

308 Mocking Jay  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 6:29:38pm

re: #306 Cato the Elder

Peggy Noonan should go back to her erotic dreams about fondling Reagan's feet.

I'll be in my bunk...

///

309 Ojoe  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 6:32:39pm

re: #212 marjoriemoon

I don't know what those are, of course.

You contain the Sons-a-bitches by force and threats of force.

Maybe in time they will grow up.

Meanwhile keep on with the force stuff.

It is not more complicated than that.

310 darthstar  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 6:33:17pm

Looking forward to waking up at 4am to watch Algeria/Slovenia tomorrow morning.

311 Mocking Jay  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 6:33:53pm

re: #310 darthstar

Looking forward to waking up at 4am to watch Algeria/Slovenia tomorrow morning.

Well there's a sentence I never imagined seeing my lifetime.

312 KDS1  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 6:34:07pm

re: #309 Ojoe

You contain the Sons-a-bitches by force and threats of force.

Maybe in time they will grow up.

Meanwhile keep on with the force stuff.

It is not more complicated than that.

DID you not hear about the marmara?

313 prairiefire  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 6:35:26pm

re: #301 Amory Blaine

It's from Blue Velvet :)

Ohhh Mommy what are those??!!? Don't you fucking look at me!!!

It's been a while! When Dean started lip synching to Orbinson in that white face makeup, it revived his career.

314 Ojoe  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 6:35:26pm

re: #312 KDS1

Yes ... ?

315 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 6:36:11pm

re: #271 Charles

I will totally give Bobby Jindal credit for doing his best to handle the BP spill, while retaining the right to be very unhappy about his support for the stealth creationist bill that's lurking under the radar for now.

Crisis management is his only governing skill.

Even if he were not supporting the stealth creationist bill lurking under the radar, there are still other problems with Jindal as a candidate for the Presidency. For reasons I explained above, I think he just does not have the skills necessary to build a team that will function well on the national stage. They would be smart, they would be experienced, and they would be his personally chosen ones, who would do his bidding without question. It's how he ran DHH. It's how he runs the State.

316 KDS1  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 6:36:53pm

re: #314 Ojoe

Yes ... ?

You use force- you are condemned, you defend yourself- you get grilled. Lucky for us, we have the U.S watching our back... or do we?

317 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 6:37:50pm

re: #316 KDS1

You use force- you are condemned, you defend yourself- you get grilled. Lucky for us, we have the U.S watching our back... or do we?

I'd rather be respected than liked.

318 albusteve  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 6:38:26pm

re: #317 MandyManners

I'd rather be respected than liked.


get off my lawn

319 albusteve  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 6:38:57pm

re: #316 KDS1

You use force- you are condemned, you defend yourself- you get grilled. Lucky for us, we have the U.S watching our back... or do we?

not sure wtf you are saying, myself

320 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 6:39:21pm

re: #317 MandyManners

I'd rather be respected than liked.

Heck, I'd rather be feared than liked if it's a question of safety.

321 Ojoe  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 6:39:40pm

re: #316 KDS1

Well at some point it is wise to ignore the yapping of the sanctimonious.

And I'm not officially Jewish but then again all good people are seamlessly connected at the deepest level, I believe.

322 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 6:39:43pm

re: #318 albusteve

get off my lawn

I stole your flamingo.

323 Ojoe  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 6:40:19pm

re: #320 MandyManners

Machiavelli says it is better to be feared than loved and he is right.

324 albusteve  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 6:40:51pm

re: #322 MandyManners

I stole your flamingo.

you like candy?

325 KDS1  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 6:41:01pm

re: #317 MandyManners

I'd rather be respected than liked.

Your absolutely right. And it seems like we are finally taking that path. But i still expect Obama to use less double-standard when it comes to what Israel does and what the rest of the world does (and i also expect this from the rest of the civilized world, but thats hopeless).

326 albusteve  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 6:41:33pm

C'mere Mandy and look at this

327 Ojoe  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 6:42:36pm

BBL

328 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 6:43:18pm

re: #324 albusteve

you like candy?

No. Hate the stuff.

329 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 6:44:06pm

re: #325 KDS1

Your absolutely right. And it seems like we are finally taking that path. But i still expect Obama to use less double-standard when it comes to what Israel does and what the rest of the world does (and i also expect this from the rest of the civilized world, but thats hopeless).

You might want to change your expectations on that point.

330 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 6:44:36pm

re: #111 Ojoe

Jerry Brown is actually different from almost all politicians.

For one, he's very intelligent.

He was good as mayor of Oakland, I will say that.

331 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 6:44:55pm

You know, I wasn't sure how much I was gonna cotton to this "LGF Pages" thing, but I have to say it has become one of my favorite features here!

Easy to use, easy to find things of interest, much easier than it was before.

Folks, help support LGF and all of these great features Charles provides for us here! Donate, subscribe and/or buy one or both of the cookbooks!

We're up to 51 sold as of today!

332 tradewind  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 6:45:35pm

re: #232 WindUpBird
It's very difficult to dislodge an incumbent POTUS..... the visuals of the presidency alone are themselves in most cases just too much to take on.
Usually, only circumstances, not candidates, can get them outta there.

333 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 6:45:44pm

re: #326 albusteve

C'mere Mandy and look at this

Careful, Steve. Mandy is pretty fierce.

334 Casual Talker  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 6:45:53pm

re: #331 reine.de.tout

How many recipes have you tried and do you have a favorite yet?

335 KDS1  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 6:48:18pm

The sun is almost up,
time for me to go to bed...

good night all.....

336 tradewind  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 6:48:33pm

re: #322 MandyManners
For a while we went through a phase here of sticking the same number of pink lawn flamingos onto a birthday person's yard. Under cover of darkness, of course.
Thirty or so of them can make an impressively tacky display./

337 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 6:49:43pm

re: #332 tradewind

It's very difficult to dislodge an incumbent POTUS... the visuals of the presidency alone are themselves in most cases just too much to take on.
Usually, only circumstances, not candidates, can get them outta there.

Well, I would argue Ronald Reagan was at least a partial exception. Circumstances made Carter vulnerable, but having the right candidate gave the GOP the win.

338 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 6:50:13pm

re: #334 Casual Talker

How many recipes have you tried and do you have a favorite yet?

I've tried several of the main dishes, they are all great.
What I haven't done yet that I need to do soon is try some of those desserts!

Alouette's Super Awesome To Die For Cheesecake will be first on the list to try, I think!

339 Mocking Jay  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 6:50:21pm

re: #333 Dark_Falcon

Careful, Steve. Mandy is pretty fierce.

in bed.

340 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 6:50:39pm

re: #326 albusteve

C'mere Mandy and look at this

*runs away*

341 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 6:50:50pm

re: #331 reine.de.tout

You know, I wasn't sure how much I was gonna cotton to this "LGF Pages" thing, but I have to say it has become one of my favorite features here!

Easy to use, easy to find things of interest, much easier than it was before.

Folks, help support LGF and all of these great features Charles provides for us here! Donate, subscribe and/or buy one or both of the cookbooks!

We're up to 51 sold as of today!


Hooray!

342 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 6:52:00pm

re: #336 tradewind

For a while we went through a phase here of sticking the same number of pink lawn flamingos onto a birthday person's yard. Under cover of darkness, of course.
Thirty or so of them can make an impressively tacky display./

I love the pink plastic flamingos.

If you do tacky just right, it can turn out OK.
Of course, I keep my pink plastic flamingos in the back, near my patio, where I can see and enjoy them, but the neighbors don't get upset.

Oh, and the "flag" on my mailbox is - a pink flamingo. Love it!

343 tradewind  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 6:52:02pm

re: #337 Dark_Falcon
Renaldus defies all stereotypes.
We shall not see his like again. I was too young to appreciate him at the time, but sure wish we had him back.

344 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 6:52:15pm

re: #339 JasonA

in bed.

She's fierce there too. :D

345 Casual Talker  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 6:52:39pm

re: #338 reine.de.tout

I've tried several of the main dishes, they are all great.
What I haven't done yet that I need to do soon is try some of those desserts!

Alouette's Super Awesome To Die For Cheesecake will be first on the list to try, I think!

With a name like that it sounds pretty hard to resist!

346 prairiefire  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 6:52:56pm

re: #340 MandyManners

*runs away*

Smart choice.

347 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 6:53:43pm

re: #342 reine.de.tout

I love the pink plastic flamingos.

If you do tacky just right, it can turn out OK.
Of course, I keep my pink plastic flamingos in the back, near my patio, where I can see and enjoy them, but the neighbors don't get upset.

Oh, and the "flag" on my mailbox is - a pink flamingo. Love it!

Looky - here's a flamingo mailbox flag right here! This is just like the one I have.

348 tradewind  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 6:53:46pm

re: #342 reine.de.tout
I absolutely adore the color of a real flamingo. Never actually seen it duplicated in paint or a picture.

349 tradewind  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 6:55:00pm

re: #344 Dark_Falcon
You'd better duck, and fast.../

350 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 6:56:22pm

re: #349 tradewind

You'd better duck, and fast.../

I'm armored, so she can whack away without injuring me.

351 tradewind  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 6:57:13pm

Out/ enjoy the rest of your Saturday.

352 Casual Talker  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 6:57:58pm

re: #338 reine.de.tout

I've tried several of the main dishes, they are all great.
What I haven't done yet that I need to do soon is try some of those desserts!

Alouette's Super Awesome To Die For Cheesecake will be first on the list to try, I think!

I think I'll be eating Van de Campe's Super Awesome To Die For Xtra Large and Crispy Fish Sticks for dinner, although the label does not read exactly that way.

353 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 6:58:00pm

re: #348 tradewind

I absolutely adore the color of a real flamingo. Never actually seen it duplicated in paint or a picture.

It's hard to get that color right.

Do you know why flamingos are pink?

354 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 6:59:25pm

re: #352 Casual Talker

I think I'll be eating Van de Campe's Super Awesome To Die For Xtra Large and Crispy Fish Sticks for dinner, although the label does not read exactly that way.

LOL.
You need a cookbook!
The full title of Volume 2 is Reality Bites: Diverse Delights for a Deficit Economy.

Sounds like you really need it! Eat better, and save money!

355 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 7:00:14pm

re: #191 avanti

I saw a "cherry" 1956 Studabaker pickup truck today.

Blew my mind.

356 Mocking Jay  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 7:00:36pm

re: #355 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I saw a "cherry" 1956 Studabaker pickup truck today.

Blew my mind.

Pics or it didn't happen...

357 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 7:02:11pm

re: #356 JasonA

no pics... but... it happened.

Hell, I wouldn't know how to post a picture anyway...

358 Casual Talker  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 7:02:58pm

re: #354 reine.de.tout

LOL.
You need a cookbook!
The full title of Volume 2 is Reality Bites: Diverse Delights for a Deficit Economy.

Sounds like you really need it! Eat better, and save money!

How complex are the recipes beyond boiling water, heating an oven, and plugging in a microwave preset?

359 prairiefire  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 7:08:39pm

I am now on day 3 of the stupid Safari portal crashing. It happened after I downloaded Safari 5.0. I've reported it Apple about 13 times. I tried downloading it again. Nothing.
I can't drag and drop with f*wad Firfox. I hate Firefox with the heat of a 1000 suns.

360 Mocking Jay  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 7:09:48pm

re: #359 prairiefire

I am now on day 3 of the stupid Safari portal crashing. It happened after I downloaded Safari 5.0. I've reported it Apple about 13 times. I tried downloading it again. Nothing.
I can't drag and drop with f*wad Firfox. I hate Firefox with the heat of a 1000 suns.

Christ... that kind of hate is usually saved for IE.

361 lostlakehiker  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 7:10:36pm

re: #98 Ojoe

Jerry Brown would be a good governor.

I remember him as one before.

In face his name is on my architecture diploma, I graduated when Jerry Brown was Governor.

He was progressive in the best sense.

He appointed Sim van der Ryn as state Architect, and a lot of solar and sustainable stuff was done there for a while.

Which if it had been followed up on generally, would have unfunded the Saudis.

I'm for Jerry "You Betcha"

& Palin looks like a jerk there.

I "met" Jerry Brown once in SF. He was busy fuming because he had to wait until some photo op celebrity showed up, and it was kind of funny because he was there to show interest in the event the celebrity was scheduled to visit. But he was too hacked about the lost time to chill and actually, like, take an interest for real in the event.

On the other hand, Brown has taken the duties of his office seriously. As mayor of Oakland, quite a comedown from gov of CA, he worked at the job and made a difference.

I'm a Republican, and it's clear to me that the Democrats are in a you broke it you bought it situation as far as CA's fiscal woes go, but I'd vote for Brown. Men who put their responsibilities first and work at them are scarce and precious in politics.

362 prairiefire  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 7:12:45pm

re: #360 JasonA

Christ... that kind of hate is usually saved for IE.

I've never touch a PC./

363 Interesting Times  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 7:13:12pm

re: #353 reine.de.tout

It's hard to get that color right.

Do you know why flamingos are pink?

Boy finds rare pink grasshopper

364 Fenris  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 7:14:00pm

Lo and behold, RS McCain has rushed to Geller's aid on American Spectator.

365 Mich-again  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 7:14:27pm

Crazy Pam should change the name of her site to Shriekfront. Maybe it would help pull in some more traffic by mistake.

366 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 7:15:04pm

re: #361 lostlakehiker

I "met" Jerry Brown once in SF. He was busy fuming because he had to wait until some photo op celebrity showed up, and it was kind of funny because he was there to show interest in the event the celebrity was scheduled to visit. But he was too hacked about the lost time to chill and actually, like, take an interest for real in the event.

On the other hand, Brown has taken the duties of his office seriously. As mayor of Oakland, quite a comedown from gov of CA, he worked at the job and made a difference.

I'm a Republican, and it's clear to me that the Democrats are in a you broke it you bought it situation as far as CA's fiscal woes go, but I'd vote for Brown. Men who put their responsibilities first and work at them are scarce and precious in politics.

Brown is competent in the role. I'd vote for the Republican, but either way California will have a capable leader.

367 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 7:15:26pm

re: #358 Casual Talker

How complex are the recipes beyond boiling water, heating an oven, and plugging in a microwave preset?

There's a little of everything!
From Mandy's Egg Goop, to my cousin's ziploc-bag omelets, to a few pretty complicated ones.
Start small . . . and build up to the complex ones!

368 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 7:16:02pm

re: #363 publicityStunted

Boy finds rare pink grasshopper

Oh, how odd!

369 prairiefire  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 7:16:17pm

re: #363 publicityStunted

Boy finds rare pink grasshopper

It is beautiful! Hi, pS, hope you are well.

370 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 7:16:34pm

re: #364 fenrisdesigns

Lo and behold, RS McCain has rushed to Geller's aid on American Spectator.

It figures. Haters protect haters.

371 prairiefire  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 7:17:31pm

re: #367 reine.de.tout

There's a little of everything!
From Mandy's Egg Goop, to my cousin's ziploc-bag omelets, to a few pretty complicated ones.
Start small . . . and build up to the complex ones!

I used to sell 5# kyrovac bags of scrambled eggs to hospitals. Your cousin is on to something.

372 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 7:17:33pm

re: #359 prairiefire

I am now on day 3 of the stupid Safari portal crashing. It happened after I downloaded Safari 5.0. I've reported it Apple about 13 times. I tried downloading it again. Nothing.
I can't drag and drop with f*wad Firfox. I hate Firefox with the heat of a 1000 suns.

I'm not having any problems at all with Safari 5.0.

373 freetoken  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 7:17:36pm

re: #361 lostlakehiker

Chances are good I will vote for Brown come fall. First time I've voted for a (D) for governor - heh, I'm getting wild in my old age.

374 Mich-again  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 7:17:59pm

re: #370 Dark_Falcon

It figures. Haters protect haters.

Tribalism.

375 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 7:18:07pm

The pink dragonfly would be nice to have around. They eat mosquitoes.

376 prairiefire  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 7:18:08pm

re: #372 reine.de.tout

I'm not having any problems at all with Safari 5.0.

Luck you. I could cry, really. So what does 5 do?

377 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 7:18:45pm

re: #373 freetoken

Chances are good I will vote for Brown come fall. First time I've voted for a (D) for governor - heh, I'm getting wild in my old age.

Why? If I may ask.

378 Casual Talker  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 7:19:18pm

re: #373 freetoken

Chances are good I will vote for Brown come fall. First time I've voted for a (D) for governor - heh, I'm getting wild in my old age.

Seems sensible enough. What do you make of those Goebbels comments though from this past week?

379 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 7:20:07pm

re: #376 prairiefire

Luck you. I could cry, really. So what does 5 do?

It's faster than firefox or the previous Safari.

In fact, I was using firefox before but downloaded Safari 5, and switched to it permanently. Firefox does weird stuff with "add-ons" that I could never figure out. And every now and then all the open tabs would go blue, just blue, and I'd have to close out and reopen. Got tired of it, and when Safari 5 worked better for me, faster, I switched.

380 sattv4u2  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 7:20:58pm

re: #373 freetoken

Chances are good I will vote for Brown come fall. First time I've voted for a (D) for governor - heh, I'm getting wild in my old age.

You may as well. Brown (MoomBeam) has been "wild" for years!
/

381 prairiefire  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 7:24:30pm

re: #379 reine.de.tout

With Safari, I can move over anything with the mouse and drop it into a link or post a youtube on LGF. I can't with Firefox.

382 Mich-again  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 7:24:55pm

We're going to do our small part to help CA this Summer by taking our family vacation there. Fly into LAX and spend 10 days driving up and down the Coast seeing the sights and visiting my niece in San Fran. I'd love some suggestions from CA lizards for some cool off-the-beaten-path places to see that won't show up in the travel guide.

383 prairiefire  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 7:25:34pm

re: #382 Mich-again

We're going to do our small part to help CA this Summer by taking our family vacation there. Fly into LAX and spend 10 days driving up and down the Coast seeing the sights and visiting my niece in San Fran. I'd love some suggestions from CA lizards for some cool off-the-beaten-path places to see that won't show up in the travel guide.

Calling all Cali lizards!

384 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 7:25:35pm

re: #378 Casual Talker

Seems sensible enough. What do you make of those Goebbels comments though from this past week?

Gee. Comparing an ambitious woman to Goebells?

385 freetoken  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 7:27:00pm

re: #377 Dark_Falcon

Why? If I may ask.

Because the alternative is a poor choice. As someone mentioned, Brown is both serious and dedicated, and experienced. I have more confidence in him making hard choices with all of California in mind, than his opponent.

Whitman is no Fiorina, fortunately, so even if she does win it won't be a disaster. Whitman though has been pulled too far right for my tastes, by the ultra-right, tea partying crowd that is trying to take over the GOP.

386 sattv4u2  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 7:27:13pm

re: #382 Mich-again

We're going to do our small part to help CA this Summer by taking our family vacation there. Fly into LAX and spend 10 days driving up and down the Coast seeing the sights and visiting my niece in San Fran. I'd love some suggestions from CA lizards for some cool off-the-beaten-path places to see that won't show up in the travel guide.

Perris California. My company has a facility out there and the drive out to it you can see meth labs and a stolen car/ dead body dump site !!
//

387 Casual Talker  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 7:27:19pm

re: #384 MandyManners

Gee. Comparing an ambitious woman to Goebells?

I was surprised by such a severe reference, but Jerry can be Jerry and may be a little out of practice.

388 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 7:28:06pm

re: #381 prairiefire

With Safari, I can move over anything with the mouse and drop it into a link or post a youtube on LGF. I can't with Firefox.

With FF, I could click and the link would automatically highlight, then I could "copy". With Safari, I have to click, drag the mouse across the link, and then copy. FF was easier (for me) that way. But Safari is just faster and no little glitches, like the pages turning all blue. That was strange.

I have a macbook, and when I tried to upgrade to Safari 5 on that, it told me the macbook operating system wasn't up to date, so I had to go update that first. Maybe check to see if there are any software updates for your computer?

389 Interesting Times  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 7:30:00pm

re: #381 prairiefire

With Safari, I can move over anything with the mouse and drop it into a link or post a youtube on LGF. I can't with Firefox.

Have you ever tried Google Chrome? It's based on the same underlying browser engine as Safari, so it might give you that capability as well.

390 Mich-again  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 7:30:13pm

re: #386 sattv4u2

Perris California. My company has a facility out there and the drive out to it you can see meth labs and a stolen car/ dead body dump site !!
//


According to Kid Rock, we should go visit some place called Hollywood and Vine. Not sure what the big attraction is there but it made it into a song. /

391 Casual Talker  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 7:30:34pm

re: #385 freetoken

Because the alternative is a poor choice. As someone mentioned, Brown is both serious and dedicated, and experienced. I have more confidence in him making hard choices with all of California in mind, than his opponent.

Whitman is no Fiorina, fortunately, so even if she does win it won't be a disaster. Whitman though has been pulled too far right for my tastes, by the ultra-right, tea partying crowd that is trying to take over the GOP.

I'm not quite all of the way there with you, but part of the way. I think that in general terms a D will do better with the state government in cutting back than an R would, just because the D can get support where the R can't. It's a freaky way to vote, but politics are local, right.

Either way, that state is screwed.

392 prairiefire  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 7:32:26pm

re: #387 Casual Talker

I was surprised by such a severe reference, but Jerry can be Jerry and may be a little out of practice.

Yes, he does have that firebrand mouth.

393 sattv4u2  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 7:32:41pm

re: #390 Mich-again

According to Kid Rock, we should go visit some place called Hollywood and Vine. Not sure what the big attraction is there but it made it into a song. /

I'll save you the time. Here's a photo

(yeah ,, it's been awhile since I was there ,, so what ??)

Image: Hollywood%20&%20Vine,%20Hollywood.jpg

394 lostlakehiker  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 7:33:05pm

re: #294 albusteve

not sure, but it sounds bad

It is bad. If we get hit, it'll be up to the civilians of the disaster area to cobble together a response. We'll have to slap together our own fallout shelters by piling books on a table and stacking furniture around the sides. We'll have to mount our own rescue operations. Some will have to stand outside in fluffy fallout ash fighting fires until they've picked up so many REM's they have no chance.

If you have water (the toilet tank is quite drinkable) you can hold out for weeks with virtually no food. You can use a chamber pot and dump the waste outside; quick trips into the hot zone are fairly safe.

Help will come, eventually, but going by the form we've shown with this oil spill, it won't come fast and it won't come organized.

Our enemies won't stay their hand; if they can do it, they will. They can't incinerate the U.S. They would if they could, but they can't. What they can perhaps do is hit two or three cities with Hiroshima style bombs, and kill a hundred thousand of us. That will leave some three hundred million. From the perspective of the great wars of history, it would be a mere pinprick.

Our enemies aren't thinking straight, or they'd see that this pinprick would be the start of a chain of events that could go almost anywhere, but down all roads lies their ruin and our victory.

We should have some contingency plans for this escalation of the war. It probably wouldn't be necessary to retaliate with nukes against cities. That's harsh and the civilians of Iran, in particular, are more victims than agents of the Iranian regime. But if we haven't thought it through, reflex retaliation in kind might be the default response. Better, I'd think, would be a semi-conventional war, with tactical nukes to quickly settle any organized fight that was taking too long or going the wrong way.

395 prairiefire  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 7:33:09pm

re: #390 Mich-again

According to Kid Rock, we should go visit some place called Hollywood and Vine. Not sure what the big attraction is there but it made it into a song. /

Don't visit after dark.

396 Casual Talker  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 7:33:48pm

re: #392 prairiefire

Yes, he does have that firebrand mouth.

And it's likely whoever wins will be a one-termer. That state is so plugged up that they will be ousting incumbent Governors for the next 50 years.

397 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 7:34:20pm

re: #385 freetoken

Because the alternative is a poor choice. As someone mentioned, Brown is both serious and dedicated, and experienced. I have more confidence in him making hard choices with all of California in mind, than his opponent.

Whitman is no Fiorina, fortunately, so even if she does win it won't be a disaster. Whitman though has been pulled too far right for my tastes, by the ultra-right, tea partying crowd that is trying to take over the GOP.

I hear you, though I don't agree. I found out this week that Illinois's GOP gubernatorial candidate, Bill Brady, is a ID supporting creationist. Despite that, both my best friend and I agreed that he is still a better choice than Pat Quinn, since he won't raise taxes and will hold the line on spending. I'm not happy, but I expect to be able to send him a small donation this month, with more to come once I find work.

398 sattv4u2  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 7:34:57pm

re: #395 prairiefire

Don't visit after dark.

And don't talk to "women" who have 5 o'clock shadow! (at noon!!)

399 prairiefire  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 7:35:09pm

re: #394 lostlakehiker

It is bad. If we get hit, it'll be up to the civilians of the disaster area to cobble together a response. We'll have to slap together our own fallout shelters by piling books on a table and stacking furniture around the sides. We'll have to mount our own rescue operations. Some will have to stand outside in fluffy fallout ash fighting fires until they've picked up so many REM's they have no chance.

If you have water (the toilet tank is quite drinkable) you can hold out for weeks with virtually no food. You can use a chamber pot and dump the waste outside; quick trips into the hot zone are fairly safe.

Help will come, eventually, but going by the form we've shown with this oil spill, it won't come fast and it won't come organized.

Our enemies won't stay their hand; if they can do it, they will. They can't incinerate the U.S. They would if they could, but they can't. What they can perhaps do is hit two or three cities with Hiroshima style bombs, and kill a hundred thousand of us. That will leave some three hundred million. From the perspective of the great wars of history, it would be a mere pinprick.

Our enemies aren't thinking straight, or they'd see that this pinprick would be the start of a chain of events that could go almost anywhere, but down all roads lies their ruin and our victory.

We should have some contingency plans for this escalation of the war. It probably wouldn't be necessary to retaliate with nukes against cities. That's harsh and the civilians of Iran, in particular, are more victims than agents of the Iranian regime. But if we haven't thought it through, reflex retaliation in kind might be the default response. Better, I'd think, would be a semi-conventional war, with tactical nukes to quickly settle any organized fight that was taking too long or going the wrong way.

Would not this be a good area for some aspiring young republicans to work on? Creating brochures, town hall meetings.

400 Ojoe  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 7:38:49pm

re: #355 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Did Raymond Lowey design the Studebaker pickup too?

401 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 7:40:29pm

re: #394 lostlakehiker

It is bad. If we get hit, it'll be up to the civilians of the disaster area to cobble together a response. We'll have to slap together our own fallout shelters by piling books on a table and stacking furniture around the sides. We'll have to mount our own rescue operations. Some will have to stand outside in fluffy fallout ash fighting fires until they've picked up so many REM's they have no chance.

If you have water (the toilet tank is quite drinkable) you can hold out for weeks with virtually no food. You can use a chamber pot and dump the waste outside; quick trips into the hot zone are fairly safe.

Help will come, eventually, but going by the form we've shown with this oil spill, it won't come fast and it won't come organized.

Our enemies won't stay their hand; if they can do it, they will. They can't incinerate the U.S. They would if they could, but they can't. What they can perhaps do is hit two or three cities with Hiroshima style bombs, and kill a hundred thousand of us. That will leave some three hundred million. From the perspective of the great wars of history, it would be a mere pinprick.

Our enemies aren't thinking straight, or they'd see that this pinprick would be the start of a chain of events that could go almost anywhere, but down all roads lies their ruin and our victory.

We should have some contingency plans for this escalation of the war. It probably wouldn't be necessary to retaliate with nukes against cities. That's harsh and the civilians of Iran, in particular, are more victims than agents of the Iranian regime. But if we haven't thought it through, reflex retaliation in kind might be the default response. Better, I'd think, would be a semi-conventional war, with tactical nukes to quickly settle any organized fight that was taking too long or going the wrong way.

Good luck to you. If I end up right near that kind of disaster, my plan is to self-terminate.

402 prairiefire  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 7:42:15pm

re: #398 sattv4u2

And don't talk to "women" who have 5 o'clock shadow! (at noon!!)

re: #388 reine.de.tout

Checked. All software up to date. Racer X said he had some sort of problem w/ Safari 5. I'll have to ask him.

403 sattv4u2  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 7:43:09pm

re: #402 prairiefire

I'm sure there's a reason my 398 was included in there ,, right,, RIGHT!?!?!

Bueller!!?!?!

404 prairiefire  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 7:43:50pm

re: #397 Dark_Falcon

Hey, what about Kirk?

405 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 7:44:21pm

re: #402 prairiefire

re: #388 reine.de.tout

Checked. All software up to date. Racer X said he had some sort of problem w/ Safari 5. I'll have to ask him.

Yeah, I saw a couple of other folks saying they had a problem or two.

Sometimes it looks like I'm logged out of LGF when I'm not; I can't comment or quote or reply or used any of the buttons. I refresh the page and then everything is OK. That's the only issue I've had with this Safari 5.

None of 'em are perfect.

406 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 7:44:53pm

re: #403 sattv4u2

I'm sure there's a reason my 398 was included in there ,, right,, RIGHT!?!?!

Bueller!!?!?!

Just to make you look bad.

407 prairiefire  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 7:44:53pm

re: #403 sattv4u2

I'm sure there's a reason my 398 was included in there ,, right,, RIGHT!?!?!

Bueller!!?!?!

See, if I had my Safari, I would have posted "Lola" by the Kinks. Could you?

408 freetoken  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 7:44:58pm

re: #397 Dark_Falcon

We have a real problem in this state's politics, and it is in the legislature not the governor's mansion.

With the way California's constitution and laws work, we now have permanent gridlock in the legislature, because it takes a 2/3rds majority to make the changes that are needed.

One side only wants to raise taxes and not cut spending. The other side wants to only cut spending and not raise taxes. They never settle this, so every year we get into emergency legislation, and yet that still doesn't cover the debt and we're running out of credit space in the market.

The real answer, on which few politicians will campaign, is that we have to do both. We have to cut spending AND raise taxes. My hope is that Brown will champion reality and not party line dogma. If anyone can get the (D) majority block to go along with cutting some spending, and I mean not short term / temporary cuts like they've been doing but rather realigning the salary base and retirement promises more in line with reality, then Brown is the guy to do it. He won't do it though without some sort of concession from the (R) minority. The income tax rate is going to have to be raised.

As I said, I'm hoping Brown can cut through the mess and convince our fellow Californians that we have to permanently change some things.

409 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 7:45:53pm

re: #404 prairiefire

Hey, what about Kirk?

He's in it to win it too. I plan to contribute to him as well but that'll need to wait till next month at the earliest. Mark Kirk is someone I'm still happy to vote for.

410 prairiefire  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 7:46:08pm

re: #405 reine.de.tout

Yes, I had to do that with Safari 4. I just got used to the hit refesh twice to be able to post on LGF.

411 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 7:46:31pm

re: #407 prairiefire

See, if I had my Safari, I would have posted "Lola" by the Kinks. Could you?

Just For You - Lola

412 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 7:46:54pm

re: #408 freetoken

We have a real problem in this state's politics, and it is in the legislature not the governor's mansion.

With the way California's constitution and laws work, we now have permanent gridlock in the legislature, because it takes a 2/3rds majority to make the changes that are needed.

One side only wants to raise taxes and not cut spending. The other side wants to only cut spending and not raise taxes. They never settle this, so every year we get into emergency legislation, and yet that still doesn't cover the debt and we're running out of credit space in the market.

The real answer, on which few politicians will campaign, is that we have to do both. We have to cut spending AND raise taxes. My hope is that Brown will champion reality and not party line dogma. If anyone can get the (D) majority block to go along with cutting some spending, and I mean not short term / temporary cuts like they've been doing but rather realigning the salary base and retirement promises more in line with reality, then Brown is the guy to do it. He won't do it though without some sort of concession from the (R) minority. The income tax rate is going to have to be raised.

As I said, I'm hoping Brown can cut through the mess and convince our fellow Californians that we have to permanently change some things.

Why can't spending simply be cut without raising income taxes?

413 prairiefire  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 7:47:15pm

re: #411 reine.de.tout

Smooch, merci.

414 Casual Talker  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 7:49:01pm

re: #412 Dark_Falcon

Why can't spending simply be cut without raising income taxes?

Too many constituents and recipients (which translates into campaign bucks and votes) for a lesser compromise. Sad fact.

415 sattv4u2  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 7:51:09pm

re: #408 freetoken

As I said, I'm hoping Brown can cut through the mess and convince our fellow Californians that we have to permanently change some things

(iirc) During Bowns' tenure as governor he added to that mess but increasing to the bureaucracy, adding panels, committees and offices, some overlapping existing agencies. I can't see how putting someone back into office that was part of the "mess" you want to eliminate helps

416 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 7:53:00pm

re: #388 reine.de.tout

With FF, I could click and the link would automatically highlight, then I could "copy". With Safari, I have to click, drag the mouse across the link, and then copy. FF was easier (for me) that way. But Safari is just faster and no little glitches, like the pages turning all blue. That was strange.

I have a macbook, and when I tried to upgrade to Safari 5 on that, it told me the macbook operating system wasn't up to date, so I had to go update that first. Maybe check to see if there are any software updates for your computer?

Control+click(and hold) then select "copy link" from the menu. Alternatively click(hold) and drag. As an aside, on a macbook I find it helps workflow to have 'tap to click', 'dragging' and one of the two 'secondary click' options enabled in the trackpad preference pane.

417 swamprat  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 7:53:17pm

re: #399 prairiefire


Wolverines!

Fixed my well yesterday. This is the well that used to feed the property before city water.

418 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 7:53:29pm

re: #414 Casual Talker

Too many constituents and recipients (which translates into campaign bucks and votes) for a lesser compromise. Sad fact.

The only way forward is to cut the number of wealth eaters, and tax hikes just give them hope. The state would be better simply defaulting, IMO.

419 freetoken  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 7:53:33pm

re: #412 Dark_Falcon

Why can't spending simply be cut without raising income taxes?

The discretionary budget has already been (temporarily) trimmed. Yes, it could be cut some more, but the cuts are starting to get to the point where the effects are getting uncomfortable. Indeed, Arnold, in his latest proposal, put on the table some of the cuts that are possible and he did it (I am convinced) to play politics, not with the Dems but with his own party.

Again, the discretionary part of the budget can be cut, but the non-discretionary costs sit there as untouchable, and they are not small.

420 Casual Talker  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 7:54:53pm

re: #415 sattv4u2

As I said, I'm hoping Brown can cut through the mess and convince our fellow Californians that we have to permanently change some things

(iirc) During Bowns' tenure as governor he added to that mess but increasing to the bureaucracy, adding panels, committees and offices, some overlapping existing agencies. I can't see how putting someone back into office that was part of the "mess" you want to eliminate helps

An R can't succeed though. Certainly Arnold was not an extremist and he got nowhere. Perhaps single-party governance is best since the accountability for success or failure can't be under dispute.

421 sandbox  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 7:55:02pm

re: #365 Mich-again

I have to agree with Pam's campaign to halt the building of the Islamic Center next to ground zero.

422 Casual Talker  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 7:56:01pm

re: #418 Dark_Falcon

The only way forward is to cut the number of wealth eaters, and tax hikes just give them hope. The state would be better simply defaulting, IMO.

Which is where this is ending up, most likely in some fashion.

423 swamprat  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 7:59:48pm

re: #401 Dark_Falcon

Good luck to you. If I end up right near that kind of disaster, my plan is to self-terminate.

My plan involves a generator with a really good muffler, some peanut butter, crackers, canned goods and patience. My (pre-apocalyptic) condolences.

424 freetoken  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:00:39pm

re: #418 Dark_Falcon

The only way forward is to cut the number of wealth eaters, and tax hikes just give them hope. The state would be better simply defaulting, IMO.

That is a very hostile attitude, and similar to the attitude taken by the minority here who won't budge at all.

425 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:02:17pm

re: #419 freetoken

The discretionary budget has already been (temporarily) trimmed. Yes, it could be cut some more, but the cuts are starting to get to the point where the effects are getting uncomfortable. Indeed, Arnold, in his latest proposal, put on the table some of the cuts that are possible and he did it (I am convinced) to play politics, not with the Dems but with his own party.

Again, the discretionary part of the budget can be cut, but the non-discretionary costs sit there as untouchable, and they are not small.

That's why I think Cali might be better simply filing Chapter 9. That would allow the reduction of union and pension contracts to tolerable levels.

426 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:02:28pm

re: #416 goddamnedfrank

Control+click(and hold) then select "copy link" from the menu. Alternatively click(hold) and drag. As an aside, on a macbook I find it helps workflow to have 'tap to click', 'dragging' and one of the two 'secondary click' options enabled in the trackpad preference pane.

Control+click (and hold) doesn't work for me.

I have to left click in the address bar, hold and drag it across the entire URL (and sometimes they're too long for the address bar and I just HOPE I got it all), and then let go and right click, to get the options, including copy.

But on the macbook, I can set the options to "tap to click", no problem.

427 jamesfirecat  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:04:01pm

re: #425 Dark_Falcon

That's why I think Cali might be better simply filing Chapter 9. That would allow the reduction of union and pension contracts to tolerable levels.

So it'd be easier for the nation to throw up its hands and admit it's f***ed than for it to just raise taxes?

428 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:04:07pm

We finally had sun and warmth today so I've been working frantically in the garden. The crow attack the other day cleaned out about half my tadpoles. I have maybe 8-10 left. That might be enough to establish a colony with a little luck. I planted rice in the frog area and they love to eat rice. Who knew?

429 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:05:20pm

re: #424 freetoken

That is a very hostile attitude, and similar to the attitude taken by the minority here who won't budge at all.

Yes, it's hostile. I won't change unless someone could show me how the unions would learn their lesson and not be back at the trough five years down the line.

430 freetoken  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:06:49pm

re: #425 Dark_Falcon

That's why I think Cali might be better simply filing Chapter 9. That would allow the reduction of union and pension contracts to tolerable levels.

I'm not sure that is true. Any bankruptcy proceedings will most likely give priority to pensioners over, say, outside bond-holders or private contractors with outstanding (unpaid) bills.

The way to deal with the pension/salary issues has to political. The body politic in this state must accept what has to be done.

431 Casual Talker  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:07:17pm

re: #427 jamesfirecat

So it'd be easier for the nation to throw up its hands and admit it's f***ed than for it to just raise taxes?

Just curious, has CA had any tax increases in recent history?

432 prairiefire  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:07:23pm

re: #419 freetoken

I think the Social Security and Medicare cuts will be coming with the Dec. announcement from the Obama budget commission.
A bit of political jujitsu to wait until after November.

433 jamesfirecat  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:07:26pm

re: #429 Dark_Falcon

Yes, it's hostile. I won't change unless someone could show me how the unions would learn their lesson and not be back at the trough five years down the line.

How do you suggest breaking the strength of unions without opening the door to the working man being abused by the companies that hire them once more? (Serious question)

One way or another, there needs to be a balance of strength between the companies and the people who work for them....

434 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:08:01pm

Listening to local news - BP is spinning spinning spinning - they claim the cap they put on the well can sustain a hurricane. Well, yes it can, 5000 feet under the surface. What cannot sustain a hurricane is the recovery ship up top. If there's a hurricane, it's got to get out of the way - leaving ALL the oil spewing into the Gulf again.

I'm so disgusted with BP, I could spit.

435 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:08:57pm

re: #421 sandbox

I have to agree with Pam's campaign to halt the building of the Islamic Center next to ground zero.

I don't. I've never been crazy about that mosque, but its not the symbol of evil the Harpy makes it out to be. I've still got concerns about its funding, but they can be answered positively. I no longer have any intrinsic objection to its construction.

436 jamesfirecat  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:09:00pm

re: #434 reine.de.tout

Listening to local news - BP is spinning spinning spinning - they claim the cap they put on the well can sustain a hurricane. Well, yes it can, 5000 feet under the surface. What cannot sustain a hurricane is the recovery ship up top. If there's a hurricane, it's got to get out of the way - leaving ALL the oil spewing into the Gulf again.

I'm so disgusted with BP, I could spit.

I was that disgusted with them two weeks ago, let me know when you're interested in buying stock in the torches and pitchfork company I'm setting up....

437 freetoken  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:09:12pm

re: #433 jamesfirecat

We're talking about state/local municipal employees here. Many have extremely lucrative retirement packages, more so than union members from private businesses, or federal employees or the military (both of which are numerous in this state.)

438 sattv4u2  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:09:36pm

re: #427 jamesfirecat

So it'd be easier for the nation to throw up its hands and admit it's f***ed than for it to just raise taxes?

Yup ,, juts raise taxes on 'the rich"

Worked great in New York and New Jersey. What happens when there's nobody left to tax?

439 freetoken  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:09:39pm

quake... low roll... then a longer stronger one...

440 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:09:44pm

re: #434 reine.de.tout

Listening to local news - BP is spinning spinning spinning - they claim the cap they put on the well can sustain a hurricane. Well, yes it can, 5000 feet under the surface. What cannot sustain a hurricane is the recovery ship up top. If there's a hurricane, it's got to get out of the way - leaving ALL the oil spewing into the Gulf again.

I'm so disgusted with BP, I could spit.

Yeah, I suspect they may not survive this.

441 freetoken  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:09:56pm

... after shock...

442 Casual Talker  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:11:03pm

re: #440 Killgore Trout

Yeah, I suspect they may not survive this.

Unlikely. I've already written them off. Sell your stock at any price.

443 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:11:25pm

re: #436 jamesfirecat

I was that disgusted with them two weeks ago, let me know when you're interested in buying stock in the torches and pitchfork company I'm setting up...

I'm interested right now.
I was interested way back in April.

If BP is lying to us, the public, or if not outright lying, then withholding pertinent information, then they're also doing the same thing to the government agencies that are overseeing this effort.

And if BP is doing that, then no wonder the gov't agencies are sometimes confused and can't get things moving along like they should be.

444 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:11:33pm

What happens if someone lights a cigarette in an oil laden hurricane?
/I'm guessing it's not good.

445 jamesfirecat  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:11:36pm

re: #438 sattv4u2

Yup ,, juts raise taxes on 'the rich"

Worked great in New York and New Jersey. What happens when there's nobody left to tax?

Fine then, how about we raise taxes on everybody instead then?

What do you want? A nation with no taxes?

///How's that working out for Somalia?

446 prairiefire  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:11:43pm

re: #423 swamprat

My plan involves a generator with a really good muffler, some peanut butter, crackers, canned goods and patience. My (pre-apocalyptic) condolences.

My children have a wide genetic pool to help repopulate our Earth, if the time comes. I plan to ride it out and migrate to Canada.

My family and I will join up with the African American public utility worker tribe.
Not a stronger, more capable bunch.

447 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:12:29pm

re: #442 Casual Talker

Unlikely. I've already written them off. Sell your stock at any price.

I bailed out late last week. I have a little bit left just to see what happens.

448 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:13:23pm

re: #440 Killgore Trout

Yeah, I suspect they may not survive this.

What they should have done is stick another BOP on top of the old one and shut this thing off. It could have been done; it could still be done. I'm at a complete loss to understand why they're just fiddling around with stop-gap measures when they could go all the way with this thing. Unless there's something going on they haven't yet admitted to.

449 sattv4u2  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:13:27pm

re: #433 jamesfirecat

How do you suggest breaking the strength of unions without opening the door to the working man being abused by the companies that hire them once more? (Serious question)

Oh My God

NOT every company is a union shop (in fact ,, most AREN'T)

I work for one such place. We have thousands of employees and we're not "abused" at all. Non of our serious competitors are union either. I talk to people in those in a daily basis. Guess what. They're happy and non abused too

450 jamesfirecat  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:14:18pm

re: #447 Killgore Trout

I bailed out late last week. I have a little bit left just to see what happens.

My prediction....

451 sattv4u2  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:14:54pm

re: #445 jamesfirecat

Fine then, how about we raise taxes on everybody instead then?

What do you want? A nation with no taxes?

///How's that working out for Somalia?

How about you cut spending. How about you live within a budget.

452 prairiefire  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:15:07pm

re: #439 freetoken

quake... low roll... then a longer stronger one...

Your earthquake posts are fascinating. They are becoming more frequent, right?

453 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:15:22pm

re: #444 Killgore Trout

What happens if someone lights a cigarette in an oil laden hurricane?
/I'm guessing it's not good.

You're guessing exactly right.
LOL.

The bigger problem is those folks in those boats, with all the fumes from the evaporating oil. It's evaporating quickly, it's very hot out there. They've got to be careful not just with lighting a cigarette (I'm sure it's forbidden), but with doing anything that would create a spark.

454 Casual Talker  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:16:01pm

re: #447 Killgore Trout

I bailed out late last week. I have a little bit left just to see what happens.

Good move. I've been doing a lot of re-allocation lately, too. Not trusting the stock market too much for the next 6 months.

455 jamesfirecat  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:16:22pm

re: #451 sattv4u2

How about you cut spending. How about you live within a budget.

See 419.

456 prairiefire  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:16:53pm

re: #454 Casual Talker

Good move. I've been doing a lot of re-allocation lately, too. Not trusting the stock market too much for the next 6 months.

My mom bailed too early and missed out on a 40% recovery.

457 freetoken  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:17:02pm

re: #452 prairiefire

Your earthquake posts are fascinating. They are becoming more frequent, right?

Just like contractions... wait... the Gaia is giving birth ... it's - it's ...

458 avanti  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:17:26pm

re: #400 Ojoe

Did Raymond Lowey design the Studebaker pickup too?

He helped on the 56, but did more on the yellow 37 in the background, but I prefer the body on the third one.

truck.

459 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:17:27pm

re: #433 jamesfirecat

How do you suggest breaking the strength of unions without opening the door to the working man being abused by the companies that hire them once more? (Serious question)

One way or another, there needs to be a balance of strength between the companies and the people who work for them...

I admit I have no such plan. I'm not even sure if such a balance can be maintained, given human nature. Someone will always try to push.

460 swamprat  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:17:33pm

re: #428 Killgore Trout

We finally had sun and warmth today so I've been working frantically in the garden. The crow attack the other day cleaned out about half my tadpoles. I have maybe 8-10 left. That might be enough to establish a colony with a little luck. I planted rice in the frog area and they love to eat rice. Who knew?

I've been meaning to address this tadpole thing. They will take over a pond. They will mate until the pond is full. This means the water will become only good for frogs. At least that is what happened to me. I love to watch goldfish swimming around. I swear it is as good as yoga. But people don't often eat goldfish while froglegs are tasty. My daughter presented me with some froggies for the pond. Two years later, I considered them a pest.

A nice pond is a thing of rest and beauty. A sanctuary and comfort from troubles, and a place of ease at the end of a day of hard work.
I love ponds.

461 jamesfirecat  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:18:18pm

re: #459 Dark_Falcon

I admit I have no such plan. I'm not even sure if such a balance can be maintained, given human nature. Someone will always try to push.

Thank you for your honesty.

462 Casual Talker  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:18:56pm

re: #456 prairiefire

My mom bailed too early and missed out on a 40% recovery.

Sorry to hear that. I've avoided some major losses by bailing on time - although I think a lot of the time we're all just guessing. Gotta follow the gut though, it's served me well before.

463 freetoken  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:21:25pm

4.8 near Borrego Springs:

[Link: earthquake.usgs.gov...]

It took 11 minutes to get that online... the computers at the USGS must be slow tonight.

464 sattv4u2  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:21:35pm

re: #455 jamesfirecat

See 419.

then DO it, instead of knee jerk seeking tax hikes on "the rich"

465 swamprat  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:22:05pm

re: #446 prairiefire

My children have a wide genetic pool to help repopulate our Earth, if the time comes. I plan to ride it out and migrate to Canada.

My family and I will join up with the African American public utility worker tribe.
Not a stronger, more capable bunch.

I'm old, but I will do what I can.
Prefer blondes, but chubby is neither a plus nor a deal killer.

466 prairiefire  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:23:01pm

re: #463 freetoken

4.8 near Borrego Springs:

[Link: earthquake.usgs.gov...]

It took 11 minutes to get that online... the computers at the USGS must be slow tonight.

Or bored. Honestly, you are having low level quakes about once every 1 and 1/2 months. Maybe a 9.0 would get them perked up. God forbid.

467 sattv4u2  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:24:22pm

re: #455 jamesfirecat

See 419.

See New Jersey

468 prairiefire  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:24:32pm

re: #465 swamprat

I'm old, but I will do what I can.
Prefer blondes, but chubby is neither a plus nor a deal killer.

Who knows? Given you survive, male scarcity could provide you with a harem.
Same as it ever was.

469 sattv4u2  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:25:41pm

re: #468 prairiefire

Who knows? Given you survive, male scarcity could provide you with a harem.
Same as it ever was.

Just what I need

Quadraphonic nagging!!

470 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:25:42pm

re: #461 jamesfirecat

Thank you for your honesty.

I will say that my main concern is the public sector unions, and I think it might be possible to cut them back without hammering private sector unions.

471 freetoken  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:26:27pm

Fascinating. Here is the link to Google Maps with the location plotted from the USGS data:

[Link: maps.google.com...]

You can see a dramatic fault line (from space!) just to the NE of where the preliminary USGS report places the epicenter. I wonder if the real epicenter was exactly on that visible fault?

472 swamprat  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:27:03pm

re: #468 prairiefire

I wonder if Iranian Nuclear futures has a stock rating....

473 Linden Arden  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:27:36pm

Whatever happened to tadpoles and fireflys?

They were abundant in the 70's when I was a mere urchin.

Although I live in the same state I can't remember the last firefly I have seen.

474 prairiefire  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:28:04pm

re: #472 swamprat

I don't think they are publicly held.

475 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:28:33pm

re: #426 reine.de.tout

Control+click (and hold) doesn't work for me.

I have to left click in the address bar, hold and drag it across the entire URL (and sometimes they're too long for the address bar and I just HOPE I got it all), and then let go and right click, to get the options, including copy.

But on the macbook, I can set the options to "tap to click", no problem.

The hold part actually isn't necessary, just getting the secondary click. Control+click works for me, in Safari 5 on a macbook. Option+click will download the linked file, and Command+click will open the link in a new tab if you have that option enabled in the Safari tab preferences.

The multiple finger trackpad gestures are really useful, especially the two finger secondary click and three finger swipe for navigation. However I'm not sure if all of those are available on the older macbooks running Snow Leopard.

476 sattv4u2  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:28:56pm

re: #473 Linden Arden

Whatever happened to tadpoles and fireflys?

They were abundant in the 70's when I was a mere urchin.

Although I live in the same state I can't remember the last firefly I have seen.

They must have all moved to the area of Georgia where I live and South Carolina where I have a place

Been in Georgia for 11 years now and I can;t ever remember seeing MORE fireflies

477 swamprat  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:29:12pm

re: #469 sattv4u2


Chinese symbol for trouble is two women under one roof.

They were the only tribe to conquer the Vikings.

478 jamesfirecat  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:29:13pm

re: #470 Dark_Falcon

I will say that my main concern is the public sector unions, and I think it might be possible to cut them back without hammering private sector unions.

I will say that I feel less for public sector unions than I do for private sector unions, because private sector unions are dealing with people who have to turn a profit and what not and so in theory they'd probably they'd try to short change their employees more.

That said , you can tell that I'm a Liberal because I trust the government to look after people but not corporations!

479 freetoken  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:29:16pm

re: #466 prairiefire

Or bored. Honestly, you are having low level quakes about once every 1 and 1/2 months.


We have Mag 1 and 2 quakes in SoCal every day pretty much. The 4.8 size is a bit rarer but... they are marching NW...

480 Casual Talker  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:29:37pm

re: #476 sattv4u2

What part of GA, or is that not ok to ask?

481 windsagio  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:29:55pm

re: #473 Linden Arden

Whatever happened to tadpoles and fireflys?

They were abundant in the 70's when I was a mere urchin.

Although I live in the same state I can't remember the last firefly I have seen.

random association:

482 prairiefire  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:30:12pm

re: #477 swamprat

Chinese symbol for trouble is two women under one roof.

They were the only tribe to conquer the Vikings.

What about the Germanic Hoard?

483 Linden Arden  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:30:58pm

re: #476 sattv4u2

I'm happy to here it - I live in Atlanta.

484 Mich-again  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:31:55pm

We get fireflies and tadpoles here in my corner of SE MI. Lots of frogs in the woods on our back 40, I hear em at night. Its ribetting to sit there and listen to them.

485 sattv4u2  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:32:57pm

re: #480 Casual Talker

What part of GA, or is that not ok to ask?

I live in the furthest southeast corner of Gwinnett County, right where Gwinnett, DeKalb and Rockdale counties meet

486 sattv4u2  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:34:14pm

re: #483 Linden Arden

I'm happy to here it - I live in Atlanta.

I'm sitting in Atlanta as we "speak"(at work,, near Emory on Briarcliff)

((come visit and bring a pizza!!))

487 sattv4u2  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:35:21pm

re: #482 prairiefire

What about the Germanic Hoard?

Dunno ,,,, but I once dated an Italian slut ,,,

(oh ,, wait,,, you typed hoarD)

488 Casual Talker  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:36:30pm

re: #485 sattv4u2

I live in the furthest southeast corner of Gwinnett County, right where Gwinnett, DeKalb and Rockdale counties meet

Not too far from Chamblee-Dunwoody than, right?

489 sattv4u2  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:37:19pm

re: #488 Casual Talker

Not too far from Chamblee-Dunwoody than, right?

Home to Cham/ Dun is about 40 minutes

((4 hours if 285 is clogged)

490 Linden Arden  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:37:33pm

re: #486 sattv4u2

I'm thrilled to see that you see fireflys in Ga.

I honestly don't but I am a city dweller.

I know there is a frog kill and honeybee issue and as an environment type I sincerely care.

491 sattv4u2  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:38:41pm

re: #490 Linden Arden

I'm thrilled to see that you see fireflys in Ga.

I honestly don't but I am a city dweller.

I know there is a frog kill and honeybee issue and as an environment type I sincerely care.

Well,, like I stated. Both around my house and around sunset at the local park we like to take our dogs too has loads right now

492 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:39:26pm

re: #478 jamesfirecat

I will say that I feel less for public sector unions than I do for private sector unions, because private sector unions are dealing with people who have to turn a profit and what not and so in theory they'd probably they'd try to short change their employees more.

That said , you can tell that I'm a Liberal because I trust the government to look after people but not corporations!

That is a sign of a liberal. I'm conservative, but in many ways cynical: I expect that whoever it is will do whatever is their own interests and to heck with the grunts. I've just learned to accept it. I'd rather get dumped on by a corporation than give the government too much power, still. Government is more tyrannical and less efficient.

493 swamprat  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:39:54pm

re: #482 prairiefire

In WWII America sent W.A.V.E.s of them at the Germans, Japanese, and Italy.
Italy fell right away.
Hitler blew his brains out, and the Emperor of Japan capitulated.
Right now, at this very moment, they are our best bet against the forces of extremism that are infecting our Islamic brothers.
My money is on the women.

494 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:40:08pm

re: #142 tradewind

Not so much. It may remain the central focus for you, but ' in her biography ', it'll be way down on the list, and certainly below 'vice-presidential nominee '.
Anymore than a central focus of Clinton's bio will be ' shameless womanizer '. Nor should it be.

Bill Clinton was President of the United States for eight years.

Palin's list of political accomplishments is much shorter.

495 freetoken  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:40:17pm

Downrated to a 4.4. Yet, it was felt over a very wide area.

496 Casual Talker  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:40:59pm

re: #492 Dark_Falcon

That is a sign of a liberal. I'm conservative, but in many ways cynical: I expect that whoever it is will do whatever is their own interests and to heck with the grunts. I've just learned to accept it. I'd rather get dumped on by a corporation than give the government too much power, still. Government is more tyrannical and less efficient.

Our federal government doesn't have to balance a budget, either. If only a BBA could get adopted.....

497 windsagio  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:41:03pm

re: #494 SanFranciscoZionist

BUT SEX!!!1!!!1!!!1!!!1!!!1!!!1!!!

(Take that cropping!)

498 prairiefire  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:41:42pm

re: #487 sattv4u2

Dunno ,,, but I once dated an Italian slut ,,,

(oh ,, wait,,, you typed hoarD)

Satt, Satt, Satt. I lived for three years in Augusta. The town was beautiful, the people were a bit judgemental.
Atlanta attracted every progressive/bohemian from a 4 state area.
Have you ever seen "Little Foxes" with Bette Davis?

499 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:42:41pm

re: #176 marjoriemoon

I don't know. But I don't think Obama is an anti-Semite or even anti-Israel. And he's not a Muslim.

I think he thinks he can negotiate with the Palestinians and I don't think that's possible.

There's something about being President that convinces these guys they can fix the Israel/Palestinian conflict. I think there's a secret memo that's passed on from administration to administration, because dammit, if I got suckered into trying to herd cats in Ashkelon, so should you!

500 prairiefire  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:43:12pm

re: #492 Dark_Falcon

What? A man consumed with greed can be far more destructive than the American government.

501 sattv4u2  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:43:28pm

OT

Krogers Lemon Merangue Pie is pretty good for the price !

Carry On!

502 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:43:37pm

re: #191 avanti

I got though 8 years of Bush, you'll make it for 8 of Obama, trust me.

It will feel like longer, though.

503 windsagio  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:44:18pm

re: #499 SanFranciscoZionist

I shouldn't, but why are you so sure you're right and the State departments of the last 3-5 Presidents are wrong?

504 sattv4u2  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:44:31pm

re: #502 SanFranciscoZionist

It will feel like longer, though.

You mean, it hasn't been eight YET !?!?

505 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:44:50pm

re: #500 prairiefire

What? A man consumed with greed can be far more destructive than the American government.

I disagree.

506 Linden Arden  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:46:43pm

re: #492 Dark_Falcon

I'd rather get dumped on by a corporation than give the government too much power, still. Government is more tyrannical and less efficient.

Seemingly logical, but you overlook Nobel winner George Stiglitz and Uncle Milty and their warnings of corporate regulatory capture - which we have experienced to the nth degree since 1982.

Governmental Corporate Ownership is the Tyranny of the highest order.

507 sattv4u2  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:47:12pm

re: #500 prairiefire

What? A man consumed with greed can be far more destructive than the American government.

A governmnet can legally force a "man consumed with greed" to give up his assets

A "man consumed with greed" cannot legally force anyone to give up theirs

508 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:48:49pm

re: #428 Killgore Trout

We finally had sun and warmth today so I've been working frantically in the garden. The crow attack the other day cleaned out about half my tadpoles. I have maybe 8-10 left. That might be enough to establish a colony with a little luck. I planted rice in the frog area and they love to eat rice. Who knew?

Dagnabit. Evil crows.

509 windsagio  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:48:53pm

re: #507 sattv4u2

They can just lock them in burning buildings until they die >>

510 sattv4u2  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:49:12pm

re: #509 windsagio

They can just lock them in burning buildings until they die >>

legally !?!?!

511 Casual Talker  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:49:15pm

Question.... what is the procedure for inserting a graphic into your user profile?

512 windsagio  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:50:00pm

re: #511 Casual Talker

Click on my account, and there should be a place to upload an avatar from your computer. That is also the pic in your profile.

Max size 32k tho >>

513 windsagio  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:50:41pm

re: #510 sattv4u2

Not legally, but its been known to happen anyways :p

514 freetoken  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:50:44pm

re: #506 Linden Arden

Governmental Corporate Ownership is the Tyranny of the highest order.

Which leads me to a link I was thinking about writing upon and putting in the Pages:

$550 Billion in Fossil Fuel Subsidies

515 Casual Talker  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:51:19pm

re: #512 windsagio

Click on my account, and there should be a place to upload an avatar from your computer. That is also the pic in your profile.

Max size 32k tho >>

Thank you... working on it now.

516 sattv4u2  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:52:18pm

re: #513 windsagio

Not legally, but its been known to happen anyways :p

Lots of things have been "known to happen", but thats not what we're talking about

What was at issue was who/what can do more harm,, LEGALLY

A man consumed by greed, or gov't

517 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:52:24pm

re: #506 Linden Arden

Seemingly logical, but you overlook Nobel winner George Stiglitz and Uncle Milty and their warnings of corporate regulatory capture - which we have experienced to the nth degree since 1982.

Governmental Corporate Ownership is the Tyranny of the highest order.

AIt should be said that the pruning back of unions does not necessarily lead to government being taken over by corporate interests. I accept people organizing for political and social purposes, though I only like it when it works in my favor (but still legal even when it works against me). But the unions have imposed expenses that cannot be paid, and that means they need to be cut back.

518 windsagio  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:53:54pm

re: #516 sattv4u2

Well my point was this:

certainly the Government can theoretically do way more harm, but in the US anyways, I can think of way more examples of people with huge amounts of money/power doing a ton more harm than our government has actually done.

"Can" and "does" are 2 different criteria.

(terrible sentence grammar, for which I apologize).

519 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:54:06pm

re: #513 windsagio

Not legally, but its been known to happen anyways :p

It's been done by Government too, such as in Saudi Arabia.

520 windsagio  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:54:27pm

re: #519 Dark_Falcon

Which implies that the US government is just like the Saudi government :p

521 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:54:30pm

re: #507 sattv4u2

A governmnet can legally force a "man consumed with greed" to give up his assets

A "man consumed with greed" cannot legally force anyone to give up theirs

And, the government can lock your ass up if you don't give in to its greed.

522 prairiefire  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:54:47pm

re: #493 swamprat

The African American women say hell to the no to multiple wives. End of story.

523 windsagio  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:54:55pm

re: #519 Dark_Falcon

wait actually, the Saudi government locked people inside burning buildings? I missed that one :D

524 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:54:57pm

re: #511 Casual Talker

Question... what is the procedure for inserting a graphic into your user profile?

Watch, it, buddy. This is a family blog.

525 Linden Arden  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:55:57pm

re: #514 freetoken

Exactly.

Its incredible taxpayers subsidize the most profitable of corporations.

Your example is fossil fuels.

Another is Pharma - the taxpayer funded NIH has discovered 15 of the 21 most profitable new drugs on the market - yet Pharma loots the royalties for our angel capital.

We are truly collective fools as voters.

526 windsagio  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:56:57pm

re: #525 Linden Arden

There's another good point there, corporations with too much power/money can end up largely controlling government, which turns the whole discussion sideways >>

527 Linden Arden  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:59:10pm

re: #526 windsagio

There's another good point there, corporations with too much power/money can end up largely controlling government, which turns the whole discussion sideways >>

That is the definition of "regulatory capture".

528 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 8:59:22pm

re: #523 windsagio

wait actually, the Saudi government locked people inside burning buildings? I missed that one :D

Their religious police herded girls who fled a fire back into their burning school because they were not veiled.

529 prairiefire  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 9:00:26pm

re: #507 sattv4u2

A man consumed with greed will make poor business choices. Cut corners, cheat, lie. Employees, consumers, who will be harmed?

530 Casual Talker  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 9:00:54pm

re: #524 MandyManners

Watch, it, buddy. This is a family blog.


Ok. I uploaded one. Can you see it?

531 windsagio  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 9:01:06pm

re: #528 Dark_Falcon

yeah found it. Pretty crazy.

Still, my original point stands, you can't really draw much from what the S.A. government does to what the US government does.

532 windsagio  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 9:01:21pm

re: #530 Casual Talker

yes!

If you can't reload the page

533 sattv4u2  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 9:01:35pm

re: #529 prairiefire

A man consumed with greed will make poor business choices. Cut corners, cheat, lie. Employees, consumers, who will be harmed?

Both, but they all have recourse

When the gov't does the same,,not so much!

534 jamesfirecat  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 9:01:51pm

re: #492 Dark_Falcon

That is a sign of a liberal. I'm conservative, but in many ways cynical: I expect that whoever it is will do whatever is their own interests and to heck with the grunts. I've just learned to accept it. I'd rather get dumped on by a corporation than give the government too much power, still. Government is more tyrannical and less efficient.

//Some of us are optimistic enough to think that the tyranny and the inefficency will end up canceling each other out when the secrete police an't find the person they're supposed to arrest....

535 Casual Talker  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 9:02:20pm

re: #532 windsagio

yes!

If you can't reload the page

Thank you sir/mam.

536 prairiefire  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 9:02:57pm

re: #533 sattv4u2

Both, but they all have recourse

When the gov't does the same,,not so much!

How can the government make those kind of choices? With what product or service?

537 freetoken  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 9:03:23pm

re: #525 Linden Arden


We are truly collective fools as voters.

I'm not sure we are fools, though we might be.

Yet this topic is one thing those taken in by the Libertarian Fundamentalism rarely comment upon. Through raising money by taxation, and then spending that money on a variety of scientific, engineering, and medical projects the common good has definitely been increased, and the welfare of private entities (individuals and corporations) have also benefitted.

538 Casual Talker  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 9:05:29pm

re: #537 freetoken

I'm not sure we are fools, though we might be.

Yet this topic is one thing those taken in by the Libertarian Fundamentalism rarely comment upon. Through raising money by taxation, and then spending that money on a variety of scientific, engineering, and medical projects the common good has definitely been increased, and the welfare of private entities (individuals and corporations) have also benefitted.

How would one prove that case, given that the alternate scenario is not available to evaluate?

Just curious.

539 prairiefire  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 9:05:44pm

re: #530 Casual Talker

Ben!

540 windsagio  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 9:06:14pm

re: #538 Casual Talker

Well let me ask this way; How would the research be funded if the gov't wasn't paying for it?

541 windsagio  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 9:07:01pm

Also; Hey SS where/how you been this week?

542 sattv4u2  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 9:07:29pm

re: #536 prairiefire

How can the government make those kind of choices? With what product or service?

P O R K

Case in point. When Nixon won his reelection in 72, Massachusetts was the only state that voted against him.

As a consequence, he decimated the economy by closing military bases and halting gov't contracts to private companies there

I saw this up close and personal, btw

543 Casual Talker  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 9:07:32pm

re: #539 prairiefire

Ben!

A sheynem dank!

544 swamprat  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 9:08:05pm

re: #540 windsagio

Same way it was before the gov funded it.

545 windsagio  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 9:08:09pm

re: #542 sattv4u2

Another lesson in 'not crossing Richard M. Nixon' :)

546 windsagio  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 9:08:27pm

re: #544 swamprat

So substantially less money and slower; got it.

547 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 9:08:58pm

re: #531 windsagio

yeah found it. Pretty crazy.

Still, my original point stands, you can't really draw much from what the S.A. government does to what the US government does.

My point was simply that government does evil things. One other thing I'd like to do would be to pass nationwide Eminent Domain reform, so that government cannot take private property on behalf of private interests. So I'm not some shill, just so we're clear.

548 Casual Talker  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 9:09:23pm

re: #540 windsagio

Well let me ask this way; How would the research be funded if the gov't wasn't paying for it?

Not a challenge question in the way you might be thinking. I'm asked this question (or something akin) from time to time, and given examples of industrial/medical/etc breakthroughs that weren't government funded.

Just wondering how others answer this when asked.

549 windsagio  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 9:09:51pm

re: #547 Dark_Falcon

Never would call you a shill man :P

550 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 9:10:25pm

re: #541 windsagio

Also; Hey SS where/how you been this week?

Took a break.

551 windsagio  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 9:10:42pm

re: #548 Casual Talker

Again, it would slow everything down substantially, since many of the companies aren't that willing to fund things on their own. (altho htat might be because they don't have to)

552 Gus  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 9:11:03pm

This is funny...

PAM GELLER MAY SUE PAYPAL FOR CALLING HER BLOG A “HATE SITE.”

Posted at 11:34 pm by Glenn Reynolds

[Link: www.google.com...]

553 prairiefire  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 9:11:05pm

re: #541 windsagio

Also; Hey SS where/how you been this week?

Stannnnleyyyyyy.

554 windsagio  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 9:11:11pm

re: #550 Stanley Sea

Fair enough :D

Good to see you around tho', even tho' I have to go to work now!

So peace, be well, bla bla bla!

555 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 9:11:45pm

re: #547 Dark_Falcon

My point was simply that government does evil things. One other thing I'd like to do would be to pass nationwide Eminent Domain reform, so that government cannot take private property on behalf of private interests. So I'm not some shill, just so we're clear.

The Saudi example is a religious based example though, not a business based example, which the shirtwaist factory was.

No religion in Govt.

556 Linden Arden  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 9:12:21pm

re: #542 sattv4u2

P O R K


As a consequence, he decimated the economy by closing military bases and halting gov't contracts to private companies there

I saw this up close and personal, btw

Well, that is only part of it. See the Nixon Shock

Nixon killed the dollar and Bretton Woods.

But it had to be done. Later, Carter was wrongly blamed for high inflation.

557 prairiefire  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 9:14:00pm

re: #550 Stanley Sea

Hey, sometimes too much blood and aggression does a liberal in. Just taking a break does a world of good, I hope?
I'm sure Cali is beautiful tonight.

558 sattv4u2  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 9:14:42pm

re: #556 Linden Arden

Well, that is only part of it. See the Nixon Shock

Nixon killed the dollar and Bretton Woods.

But it had to be done. Later, Carter was wrongly blamed for high inflation.

I used to ski at Bretton Woods

had a place not too far from there, Loon Mountain and Canon Mountian

beautiful,, drove by the Old Man on the Mountain on the way. Sad it's gone!

559 mich-again  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 9:15:10pm

re: #526 windsagio

There's another good point there, corporations with too much power/money can end up largely controlling government, which turns the whole discussion sideways >>


You could say the same thing for people living on the government dole, which of course is first extracted from the productive members of society who work and pay taxes. Once the number of people on assistance exceeds 50% of the population, they can enslave the rest. Until the whole system tumbles anyway. Where are we now? 40%? 45%?. You might be surprised at the number of people who pay zero Federal taxes or even worse, get a refund that exceeds how much they actually paid in through the beast known as the earned income credit.

560 Casual Talker  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 9:15:25pm

re: #551 windsagio

Again, it would slow everything down substantially, since many of the companies aren't that willing to fund things on their own. (altho htat might be because they don't have to)

I sometimes wonder if that's true. We have a Dept. of Energy that's been around for a long time, but I truly can't say definitively whether that has sped up adoption of alternate energy sources or not. Could you make the argument that it has?

561 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 9:15:30pm

re: #557 prairiefire

Hey, sometimes too much blood and aggression does a liberal in. Just taking a break does a world of good, I hope?
I'm sure Cali is beautiful tonight.

You betcha! ha. Love the Newsweek cover that she didn't like.

562 freetoken  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 9:16:05pm

re: #538 Casual Talker

How would one prove that case, given that the alternate scenario is not available to evaluate?

Hmmm... not sure there is an alternative scenario. Either private entities do benefit - such as pharmaceutical companies using the research results funded by taxes, or they don't.

You are probably thinking of a different, but similar, thesis than the one I've stated. Namely, that private entities would have benefitted more if they weren't taxed to begin with. That is something which would be hard to test, given that we don't have a control.

563 shai_au  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 9:17:04pm

Just a question: what does Geller's site actually have to do with Atlas Shrugged? Apart from calling herself Pamela "Atlas" Geller, of course.

564 swamprat  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 9:17:37pm

re: #546 windsagio

So substantially less money and slower; got it.


It all depends. The big issue with gov funding, is that, supposedly, those diseases that would not be profitable to address because of rarity, or difficulty, get attention. I do not know how this works out in real life. But meds were developed before pork barreled medications.
And govs will always be funding research because of Military concerns... Soldiers own these things called "bodies" and these "bodies" apparently need maintenance.

565 mich-again  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 9:18:49pm

re: #563 shai_au
That was her nickname when she posted here at LGF back in the day. She went from prolific poster to blog pimper.

566 sattv4u2  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 9:21:15pm

re: #565 mich-again

That was her nickname when she posted here at LGF back in the day. She went from prolific poster to blog pimper.

I once tried to become a prolific pimper!
//

567 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 9:22:15pm

re: #565 mich-again

That was her nickname when she posted here at LGF back in the day. She went from prolific poster to blog pimper.

To hater.

One of her commenters got a letter back from paypal from a "foreign" sounding name.

And that was it.

568 shai_au  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 9:22:28pm

re: #565 mich-again

Ah ok. I was just wondering, because apart from some Ayn Rand quote on the "About Me" page, there doesn't seem to be much reference. Nor was there when I looked at the site a few years ago.

I'd do a search, but I'm not sure that I really want to...

569 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 9:22:55pm

re: #563 shai_au

Just a question: what does Geller's site actually have to do with Atlas Shrugged? Apart from calling herself Pamela "Atlas" Geller, of course.

Like Ayn Rand, she's got a brutal vision of the world whose realization would entail much bloodshed.

570 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 9:23:07pm

re: #375 Dark_Falcon

The pink dragonfly would be nice to have around. They eat mosquitoes.

We have blue ones in the stream that runs by my apartment building. They're lovely.

571 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 9:23:43pm

re: #378 Casual Talker

Seems sensible enough. What do you make of those Goebbels comments though from this past week?

I can't figure out what the hell he thought he was talking about there. Intensely weird.

572 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 9:24:50pm

re: #385 freetoken

Because the alternative is a poor choice. As someone mentioned, Brown is both serious and dedicated, and experienced. I have more confidence in him making hard choices with all of California in mind, than his opponent.

Whitman is no Fiorina, fortunately, so even if she does win it won't be a disaster. Whitman though has been pulled too far right for my tastes, by the ultra-right, tea partying crowd that is trying to take over the GOP.

I agree, but I think Whitman will go left to meet Brown. You campaign farther right to beat out the other Republicans, then you move back to center for the statewide.

573 swamprat  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 9:25:20pm

re: #566 sattv4u2

I once tried to become a prolific pimper!
//

So did I, but the children cut into the girl's profits and they had to work harder. The upside is that our daycare center started turning an even bigger profit and won three awards!

// I keed

574 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 9:26:04pm

re: #386 sattv4u2

Perris California. My company has a facility out there and the drive out to it you can see meth labs and a stolen car/ dead body dump site !!
//

What is this? Places not to go in California?

"Come To Sunny North Richmond. We're Armed To The Teeth, But Have Good Taco Trucks."

575 Casual Talker  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 9:26:43pm

re: #562 freetoken

Hmmm... not sure there is an alternative scenario. Either private entities do benefit - such as pharmaceutical companies using the research results funded by taxes, or they don't.

You are probably thinking of a different, but similar, thesis than the one I've stated. Namely, that private entities would have benefitted more if they weren't taxed to begin with. That is something which would be hard to test, given that we don't have a control.

Yes, it's a hypothetical. Just throwing it out there though. Given that I work until Wednesday to satisfy revenue stream requirements, I often wonder what the ROI is.

576 Casual Talker  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 9:27:54pm

re: #571 SanFranciscoZionist

I can't figure out what the hell he thought he was talking about there. Intensely weird.

Will be forgotten by November, though, and I predict a comfortable win for Brown. Hopefully he can assert some fiscal restraints.

577 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 9:30:29pm

re: #576 Casual Talker

Will be forgotten by November, though, and I predict a comfortable win for Brown. Hopefully he can assert some fiscal restraints.

As long as Fiorina clobbers Boxer I'll be happy. Boxer is very liberal and very nasty, and I want her gone.

578 Gus  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 9:33:13pm

re: #572 SanFranciscoZionist

I agree, but I think Whitman will go left to meet Brown. You campaign farther right to beat out the other Republicans, then you move back to center for the statewide.

She seems normal. I read earlier that even thought she supports Prop. 8 she also supports allowing gays to adopt. I'm pretty sure upon closer inspection that the wingnuts will consider her a RINO.

Sample wingnut view of Meg Whitman on abortion.

579 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 9:34:41pm

re: #503 windsagio

I shouldn't, but why are you so sure you're right and the State departments of the last 3-5 Presidents are wrong?

Well, because I am the Expert, naturally.

I don't necessarily say they're wrong about everything, or even most things. Just that we've had mixed to poor success in coming up with a really good resolution.

580 Casual Talker  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 9:34:43pm

re: #577 Dark_Falcon

As long as Fiorina clobbers Boxer I'll be happy. Boxer is very liberal and very nasty, and I want her gone.

I do not see the voters of CA voting Fiorina in over Boxer. She's very much a longshot.

581 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 9:35:00pm

re: #578 Gus 802

She seems normal. I read earlier that even thought she supports Prop. 8 she also supports allowing gays to adopt. I'm pretty sure upon closer inspection that the wingnuts will consider her a RINO.

Sample wingnut view of Meg Whitman on abortion.

Oh gee, thank you for the adoption OK, but not the marriage OK. You are a sweetie!

Let's see how far she panders.

582 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 9:36:15pm

re: #523 windsagio

wait actually, the Saudi government locked people inside burning buildings? I missed that one :D

The religious police.

583 Casual Talker  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 9:37:03pm

re: #581 Stanley Sea

Oh gee, thank you for the adoption OK, but not the marriage OK. You are a sweetie!

Let's see how far she panders.

Seems in step with the national pols, no?

584 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 9:37:16pm

re: #533 sattv4u2

Both, but they all have recourse

When the gov't does the same,,not so much!

OK, can I just jump in here to comment that I find this to be one of the most stultifying arguments known to man, and decline, as usual, to participate?

Carry on, all.

585 Gus  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 9:37:32pm

re: #581 Stanley Sea

Oh gee, thank you for the adoption OK, but not the marriage OK. You are a sweetie!

Let's see how far she panders.

Well, that's how she sees it. If she does win I think California could do worse if they ended up with some fruitcake Teabagger. There are plenty of other Democrats who hold the same position and that includes you know who.

586 freetoken  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 9:37:52pm

re: #581 Stanley Sea

Oh gee, thank you for the adoption OK, but not the marriage OK. You are a sweetie!

The woman's campaign will be torn by two competing forces: to go left (as SFO wrote) to appeal to the general Californian, and to go right to appeal the narrowing GOP base. So far she has swung right, but was that just to win the nomination?

587 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 9:37:56pm

re: #552 Gus 802

This is funny...

[Link: www.google.com...]

Well, this could provide us all with hours of entertainment.

588 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 9:38:03pm

re: #583 Casual Talker

Seems in step with the national pols, no?

Yeah, thanks very much.

Gotta fight for the right to adopt, then onto the right for a couple to claim married on their 1040.

589 Gus  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 9:38:15pm

re: #587 SanFranciscoZionist

Well, this could provide us all with hours of entertainment.

Never a dull moment.

590 Linden Arden  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 9:40:02pm

re: #569 Dark_Falcon

Geller doesn't know jackshit about Ayn Rand.


Rand -


I am profoundly opposed to Ronald Reagan. Since he denies the right to abortion, he cannot be a defender of any rights. Since he has no program or ideology to offer, his likeliest motive for entering a Presidential race is power-lust.

--Letter to the Editor, The New York Times, August 11, 1976 (subscription only)

You won't see that quote on her shitty site.

591 lostlakehiker  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 9:40:53pm

re: #115 albusteve

means nothing...BO has an IQ of 167, and it hasn't done him a lick of good

Brown is far more intelligent than Obama. 167??? Cmon.

592 Casual Talker  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 9:42:09pm

re: #591 lostlakehiker

Brown is far more intelligent than Obama. 167??? Cmon.

I believe I read somewhere that the 'smartest' (IQ) president in recent history was Nixon - and well ahead of the pack if my memory is right.

593 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 9:42:17pm

re: #580 Casual Talker

I do not see the voters of CA voting Fiorina in over Boxer. She's very much a longshot.

Nate Silver says a 32% of unseating Boxer.

594 Mocking Jay  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 9:42:54pm

re: #593 SanFranciscoZionist

Nate Silver says a 32% of unseating Boxer.

A 1 in 3 chance seems pretty long in politics.

595 Casual Talker  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 9:43:19pm

re: #593 SanFranciscoZionist

Nate Silver says a 32% of unseating Boxer.

Hmmm... didn't know it was that high. Still a 1 in 3 shot though.

596 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 9:43:43pm

re: #592 Casual Talker

I believe I read somewhere that the 'smartest' (IQ) president in recent history was Nixon - and well ahead of the pack if my memory is right.

Nixon was highly intelligent. It was his emotional stability that was the problem. And his ethics. And his rampant paranoia. And probably some other stuff.

597 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 9:44:23pm

re: #593 SanFranciscoZionist

Nate Silver says a 32% of unseating Boxer.

Well, hopefully she can improve upon that. I despise Boxer.

598 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 9:44:57pm

re: #595 Casual Talker

Hmmm... didn't know it was that high. Still a 1 in 3 shot though.

My mother is very nervous about the possibility of Boxer losing this one.

But Fiorina simply isn't a strong contender.

We'll just have to see how the campaign unfolds.

599 lostlakehiker  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 9:45:12pm

re: #592 Casual Talker

I believe I read somewhere that the 'smartest' (IQ) president in recent history was Nixon - and well ahead of the pack if my memory is right.

Eisenhower played a mean game of bridge. And he didn't have to resign ahead of the impeachment posse.

600 Casual Talker  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 9:45:12pm

re: #596 SanFranciscoZionist

Nixon was highly intelligent. It was his emotional stability that was the problem. And his ethics. And his rampant paranoia. And probably some other stuff.

True that. Brains make up for a lot, but not everything.

601 Mocking Jay  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 9:46:37pm

I hope Fiorina brings out some new Demon Sheep ads.

602 Bagua  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 9:46:43pm

Good grief. Pamela's latest post says:


"I am a Muslim," Obama Tells Egyptian Foreign Minister Gheit Islamic Coup on the White house

I thought I just take a quick look at her site and see how long it took to uncover some nonsense. This was the top story. Lol.

In case your thinking, "Well maybe Obama did tell Egyption Foreign Minister Gheit what is reported, here is the original source.

Yep, a freak site.

Ok, I admit I spent 15 seconds perusing each site to come up with my conclusions. If someone can prove me wrong I'll send you a nice bottle of scotch. Any takers?

603 Summer Seale  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 9:48:33pm

re: #71 Gus 802

For the conspiracy theorists. It looks like Pay Pal did the same thing to "Jesus General":

Support The Gospel of Teaparty Jesus
PayPal won't allow me to use them for blog donations, but you can support the godly, patriotic work I do by clicking here.

This site would be considered opposite of Atlas Shrieks.

(Note, this is not an endorsement of Jesus General)

JG is also an avatar in Second Life and I've had several run-ins with him during the election. He pretty much dissed me because of several things and didn't like my stances on several issues. We've grudgingly been at peace ever since, however, since I parted ways with the right as well.

But yea, he's pretty much out there. And yea, we did fight quite a bit a few years ago. Stupid stuff, mostly.

604 Gus  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 9:48:36pm

re: #601 JasonA

I hope Fiorina brings out some new Demon Sheep ads.

I liked the Boxer blimp. That was weird.

605 Mocking Jay  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 9:48:37pm

I'm laughing at people dying and I don't feel bad about it...

The Case for Calling Them Nitwits

They blow each other up by mistake. They bungle even simple schemes. They get intimate with cows and donkeys. Our terrorist enemies trade on the perception that they’re well trained and religiously devout, but in fact, many are fools and perverts who are far less organized and sophisticated than we imagine. Can being more realistic about who our foes actually are help us stop the truly dangerous ones?

606 Casual Talker  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 9:48:48pm

re: #599 lostlakehiker

Eisenhower played a mean game of bridge. And he didn't have to resign ahead of the impeachment posse.

Recommended reading if you are into the whole bridge game meets murder kind of thing:

[Link: www.amazon.com...]

From Publishers Weekly
The innocuous game of bridge turned deadly in Kansas City, Mo., in 1929 when Myrtle Bennett apparently shot her husband dead in a dispute over a game. In recounting this tale, Pomerantz introduces an ensemble of 1920s characters ranging from Ely Culbertson, who helped fuel the new bridge craze, to Fightin' Jim Reed, the U.S. senator from Kansas City who successfully defended the gorgeous Myrtle Bennett at trial. As promoted by Culbertson, bridge was a zone of equality between men and women—and the stage on which marital spats could escalate; it was, said Culbertson, a way to defuse the petty inhibitions and tensions of daily married life. Pomerantz (Wilt, 1962) offers a thoroughly researched historical tapestry with a mass of amusing anecdotes. But toward the book's end, he swerves into his own fascination with Myrtle Bennett as leading to his historical inquiry into these events. The most eloquent explanation of the similarities between a bridge partnership and marriage comes not from Pomerantz but from family therapist/bridge addict Frank Bessing, quoted in the book: the main conflict is often, 'Who is in charge?'

607 Bagua  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 9:49:21pm

re: #436 jamesfirecat

I was that disgusted with them two weeks ago, let me know when you're interested in buying stock in the torches and pitchfork company I'm setting up...

As long as you are happy with the financial suffering the hysteria you are advocating is resulting in.

608 bratwurst  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 9:49:52pm

re: #590 Linden Arden

Geller doesn't know jackshit about Ayn Rand.

Rand -

You won't see that quote on her shitty site.

I wonder how much it would cost me to commission the guy who does the "Obama riding a unicorn" paintings to create a mural of Reagan, Ayn Rand and Nixon all shaking hands on Bebe Rebozo's yacht.

Yes, I'm bored.

609 Casual Talker  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 9:50:46pm

re: #601 JasonA

I hope Fiorina brings out some new Demon Sheep ads.

Demon Sheep on the right. Goebbels on the left. What does that leave?

610 Mocking Jay  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 9:51:47pm

re: #609 Casual Talker

Demon Sheep on the right. Goebbels on the left. What does that leave?

Teh Gheys? I dunno.

611 Cato the Elder  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 9:52:29pm

re: #590 Linden Arden

Geller doesn't know jackshit about Ayn Rand.

Fair enough. Rand didn't know jack shit about Nietzsche.

612 Bagua  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 9:53:06pm

re: #602 Bagua

Ok, so I didn't read the thread first like usual to see if my story had been covered. So sue me, it's Saturday night.

*hangs head in shame*

613 avanti  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 9:53:19pm

re: #602 Bagua

Good grief. Pamela's latest post says:

I thought I just take a quick look at her site and see how long it took to uncover some nonsense. This was the top story. Lol.

In case your thinking, "Well maybe Obama did tell Egyption Foreign Minister Gheit what is reported, here is the original source.

Yep, a freak site.

Ok, I admit I spent 15 seconds perusing each site to come up with my conclusions. If someone can prove me wrong I'll send you a nice bottle of scotch. Any takers?

I posted earlier that the Iserali paper got the story from a guys wife that suposidly heard the interview on the radio. We just need the tape from Nile TV to show the ambasator said what she said, she heard. If we get that we have it second hand at least, but I'm skeptical to say the least.

614 Gus  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 9:54:33pm

re: #603 Summer

JG is also an avatar in Second Life and I've had several run-ins with him during the election. He pretty much dissed me because of several things and didn't like my stances on several issues. We've grudgingly been at peace ever since, however, since I parted ways with the right as well.

But yea, he's pretty much out there. And yea, we did fight quite a bit a few years ago. Stupid stuff, mostly.

Right. That's why I said it wasn't an endorsement.

Pay Pal does this all the time and it's not a conspiracy. Geller thinks she can sue without even trying to go through the normal channels first. That is to appeal. Pay Pal as private entity has the right to cancel her account based on their own reasons.

Funny you know, a couple of weeks ago these same kooks were applauding Rand Paul for saying that diners should reserve the right to deny service to anyone they please. If that's the case then Pay Pal has just denied service to the proverbial imbecille, Pam Geller.

615 Bagua  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 9:54:57pm

re: #613 avanti

I posted earlier that the Iserali paper got the story from a guys wife that suposidly heard the interview on the radio. We just need the tape from Nile TV to show the ambasator said what she said, she heard. If we get that we have it second hand at least, but I'm skeptical to say the least.

Was there really an Israeli paper? The Harpy linked to the nutters I posted the link to.

616 Linden Arden  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 9:56:16pm

re: #608 bratwurst

I wonder how much it would cost me to commission the guy who does the "Obama riding a unicorn" paintings to create a mural of Reagan, Ayn Rand and Nixon all shaking hands on Bebe Rebozo's yacht.

Yes, I'm bored.

Odd you say that because there is a fantastic mural of Elvis, Jesus and Robert E. Lee at the Southern Museum.

I have a life sized version

617 Mocking Jay  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 9:56:53pm

re: #616 Linden Arden

o.O

618 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 9:57:11pm

re: #611 Cato the Elder

Fair enough. Rand didn't know jack shit about Nietzsche.

And he was worth more as a human being than Rand and Geller put together.

619 bratwurst  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 9:58:42pm

re: #616 Linden Arden

Odd you say that because there is a fantastic mural of Elvis, Jesus and Robert E. Lee at the Southern Museum.

I have a life sized version

Sweet! I must have a print.

620 Summer Seale  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 9:58:48pm

re: #614 Gus 802

Right. That's why I said it wasn't an endorsement.

Pay Pal does this all the time and it's not a conspiracy. Geller thinks she can sue without even trying to go through the normal channels first. That is to appeal. Pay Pal as private entity has the right to cancel her account based on their own reasons.

Funny you know, a couple of weeks ago these same kooks were applauding Rand Paul for saying that diners should reserve the right to deny service to anyone they please. If that's the case then Pay Pal has just denied service to the proverbial imbecille, Pam Geller.

Irony is such sweet bliss. =)

And yea, I didn't think you were endorsing him btw. Just pointing out that he's in the same metaverse that I am and that we've had our run-ins a long time ago. It stopped after the election though and he actually apologized to me a few months afterwards.

Anyway, off to bed for me. Have a good night everyone. =)

621 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:01:03pm

re: #596 SanFranciscoZionist

Nixon was highly intelligent. It was his emotional stability that was the problem. And his ethics. And his rampant paranoia. And probably some other stuff.

There was also the antisemitism, and the whole cyborg episode.

Still, I miss him.

622 Gus  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:01:29pm

re: #619 bratwurst

Sweet! I must have a print.

On velvet?

623 Linden Arden  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:01:53pm

re: #619 bratwurst

Sweet! I must have a print.

Its so cool. And I grew up in the South.

The Museum of the South is worth a plane ticket and much more!


Fantastic Museum!

624 freetoken  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:02:54pm

In the creationist community there is a new DVD making the rounds:
Dragons Or Dinosaurs: Creation Or Evolution

The producer's website says:

DRAGONS OR DINOSAURS? will mark Cloud Ten Pictures' 8th documentary, and is the follow-up to the popular conspiracy documentary SHADOW GOVERNMENT, released in the fall of last year to passionate followers and rave reviews. Best known for their end-times feature films like LEFT BEHIND and REVELATION, Cloud Ten couldn't pass up the chance to explore the exciting world of Dragons.

Yeah, nothing inspires great documentaries on dinosaurs like conspiracy movies...

Further:

Featuring interviews from the leading minds at Answers in Genesis, Creation Ministries International, the Institute for Creation Research, Watchmen 33 and FACT, DRAGONS OR DINOSAURS? is sure to shake things up in the age-long debate of creation versus evolution.

If those are the "leading" minds, I'm afraid to ask about those trailing behind.

625 Mocking Jay  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:02:57pm

re: #621 goddamnedfrank

There was also the antisemitism, and the whole cyborg episode.

Still, I miss him.

Played some mean guitar, though.

Image: FuturamaNixon.jpg

Or he will...

626 Bagua  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:03:44pm

I told the Egyptian Foreign Minister that I was a Martian.

He will find out soon enough what I have in store for the earthlings.


.
I hope Pam doesn't read this and out me. What a scoop.

627 Mocking Jay  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:04:29pm

re: #626 Bagua

I told the Egyptian Foreign Minister that I was a Martian.

He will find out soon enough what I have in store for the earthlings.

.
I hope Pam doesn't read this and out me. What a scoop.

I don't she'll care.

Wait. Are you a Muslim Martian?

628 Bagua  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:06:44pm

re: #627 JasonA

I don't she'll care.

Wait. Are you a Muslim Martian?

Yep, and my Kenyan half-brothers still live on mars. We totally pawned that whole rover thing, all done in a studio. The idiots from NASA had no clue.

629 Mocking Jay  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:07:40pm

re: #624 freetoken

DRAGONS OR DINOSAURS? is available in both English and Spanish

Why are they pandering to the illegals???///

630 cliffster  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:07:58pm

re: #628 Bagua

Yep, and my Kenyan half-brothers still live on mars. We totally pawned that whole rover thing, all done in a studio. The idiots from NASA had no clue.

Wait, Kenya is on Mars? My geography is off

631 Gus  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:11:19pm

re: #619 bratwurst

Sweet! I must have a print.

Didn't find a print but it's at the Ogden Museum...

[Link: www.ogdenmuseum.org...]

632 Deadletterboy  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:11:47pm

I just spent two minutes on that site...reading comments, older posts....how can anyone be that crazy? I...I don't get it. Please, someone explain this bugnuts woman to me before I snap and start going all Amadeus Arkham.

...poor Batman reference. I apologize in advance.

633 CuriousLurker  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:13:03pm

re: #627 JasonA

Wait. Are you a Muslim Martian?

OMG, you mean there are Muslims on Mars too?? Well, there goes the solar system. Next thing you know, it'll be an intergalactic conspiracy.

634 Mocking Jay  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:13:46pm

re: #632 Deadletterboy

I just spent two minutes on that site...reading comments, older posts...how can anyone be that crazy? I...I don't get it. Please, someone explain this bugnuts woman to me before I snap and start going all Amadeus Arkham.

...poor Batman reference. I apologize in advance.

Good reference, if a little obscure. I haven't seen that name in years.

635 Bagua  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:14:31pm

re: #630 cliffster

Wait, Kenya is on Mars? My geography is off

You'd be amazed at all the names they nicked, (meaning the first earth settlers) they'd have gone with New Kenya but it would have given the game away.

As way of proof that there's a Kenya on Mars, have you every really THOUGHT about Birmingham Alabama? Well I can reveal that there is a Birmingham in England as well!

636 avanti  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:14:40pm

re: #615 Bagua

Was there really an Israeli paper? The Harpy linked to the nutters I posted the link to.

Odd, I went back to the link to Isreal Today and can't find the story that was there this A.M. Here's my earlier post and it had a link to the paper, but now it goes to another blog.
==============================

OK, we should be able to check Pam's "scoop" on Obama Muslim story, there has to be a tape:

"Victor Mordecai, writing in the May 2010 edition of Israel Today (PDF, 4MB), offers this report which, as yet, is unconfirmed by an independent source such as MEMRI.
My wife Rachel, who monitors Arab language broadcasts for Israel Radio, picked up a revealing statement on the “Round Table Show” on Egypt’s Nile TV."

637 Mocking Jay  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:15:44pm

re: #633 CuriousLurker

OMG, you mean there are Muslims on Mars too?? Well, there goes the solar system. Next thing you know, it'll be an intergalactic conspiracy.

Fun Fact: they put Mohammed's face on Mars: Image: mars_face.jpg

/

638 Cato the Elder  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:15:59pm

re: #631 Gus 802

Didn't find a print but it's at the Ogden Museum...

[Link: www.ogdenmuseum.org...]

That painting is just begging to be Cthulhuized.

639 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:16:34pm

OK, this is just DANG FUNNY!
I repost WrenchWench's comment, because I can't say it any better!
Yeah, LGF isn't the one getting shut down by PayPal for being a hate site!
Hello?

"This sounds like the work of Charles Johnson and the lizards in the craphole known as LGF."

Posted by: Sue | Saturday, June 12, 2010 at 05:46 PM

Bwa ha ha ha...

640 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:16:55pm

re: #624 freetoken

In the creationist community there is a new DVD making the rounds:
Dragons Or Dinosaurs: Creation Or Evolution

The producer's website says:

If those are the "leading" minds, I'm afraid to ask about those trailing behind.

If it weren't likely to attract the ignorant, it would simply be funny. As it is, it has a mournful humor quality to it.

Goodnight, all.

641 Mocking Jay  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:17:55pm

re: #638 Cato the Elder

I wish I could bring Lovecraft back to life so he could see his legacy. I bet he'd get a kick out of it.

642 Bagua  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:18:24pm

re: #636 avanti

Odd, I went back to the link to Isreal Today and can't find the story that was there this A.M. Here's my earlier post and it had a link to the paper, but now it goes to another blog.
===

OK, we should be able to check Pam's "scoop" on Obama Muslim story, there has to be a tape:

"Victor Mordecai, writing in the May 2010 edition of Israel Today (PDF, 4MB), offers this report which, as yet, is unconfirmed by an independent source such as MEMRI.
My wife Rachel, who monitors Arab language broadcasts for Israel Radio, picked up a revealing statement on the “Round Table Show” on Egypt’s Nile TV."


Here is the pdf. Israel Today is a messianic kook site, not an Israeli Newspaper.

643 Gus  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:19:13pm

re: #624 freetoken

In the creationist community there is a new DVD making the rounds:
Dragons Or Dinosaurs: Creation Or Evolution

The producer's website says:

If those are the "leading" minds, I'm afraid to ask about those trailing behind.

Evolution.

It's like soccer.

/

644 Jerk  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:24:11pm

re: #88 KDS1

Image: pamela_gellar11.jpg

I looked everywhere on the site for t-shirts. Are they sold here or was that some custom job?

645 Gus  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:24:30pm

re: #642 Bagua

Here is the pdf. Israel Today is a messianic kook site, not an Israeli Newspaper.

The birtherism and the sekrit mooslim crapola is getting worse. I thought it would subside but in fact it's picked up steam.

646 Racer X  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:24:37pm

From SixPackTech -

Saturday Night Blue Collar Brew Review -
Point Nude Beach Summer Wheat

The beer poured with that familiar cloudy, yellow-orange color that unfiltered wheat beers usually come in. Lots of micro-bubbles slowly rose from the bottom and there was a nice, thick, white creamy head to gaze upon. The aroma was of a beery flavor, not overpowering but enough to fill up the nares.

The first sip had a wonderful flavor, nicely citrus along the lines of a nectarine and the center of the sip was nice and full. The liquid tended to thin out towards the end of the sip, leaving the flavor behind, coating the center of the tongue. Right from the start, this had lawnmower beer written all over it.

The front of the sip had that slightly sweet fruity flavor, while the middle bolstered the taste department. The back end, right before the swallow, had very little zip to offer but the taste and flavor of the beer made it a nonissue.

Then, about the middle of the first glassful, the wheat flavor came forward. Now we’re talkin’. The beer became a nectar and filled up the taste buds to capacity. The thinness of the liquid went away (maybe it was just that my tongue was too thick.)

Each sip began to roll down my gullet as if they were on ball bearings. The pauses in between sips gave me a slight reminder of the last vestiges of taste of nectarine or maybe even a pineapple fruit drink. Absolutely delicious.

-

This is a nice, smooth, easy drinking beer, perfect for the summer. Whether you’re sitting out on the patio or on the front porch watching traffic go by, this beer will very properly punctuate the entire day for you in a couple of sips. It’s flavorful enough to please and not too much of anything else that would tie the tongue in knots. And at 5% ABV, you can make the taste last the entire day. If you bought enough.

647 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:26:11pm

re: #637 JasonA

Fun Fact: they put Mohammed's face on Mars: Image: mars_face.jpg

/

Uh, that's my face. Sorry.

648 deadletterboy  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:27:03pm

re: #641 JasonA

I love Lovecraft. It makes me sad that he was such a horrible racist jerk. But I will continue to love his writing.

649 Mad Al-Jaffee  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:27:48pm

Ho Hincos. Another busy Saturday for me. Had two gigs today, the first a festival in godfrorsaken nothern Virginia and my monthly acoustic duo restaurant gig. Missed most of the first set because of the festival gig and the inability of VA people to give good directions back to the beltway. But both went well. It's nice to have fun playing music and get paid twice in one day.

I think I'm going to skip the 40 mile ride I was planning to go on with my bike club tomorrow - post gig beers are keeping me up and it's 1:27 AM now. I need to mow the lawn and do laundry anyway, so I think that's what I'll do. Maybe grill something too.

650 deadletterboy  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:28:43pm

re: #634 JasonA

I was trying to come up with someone appropriately insane who wasn't, you know, The Joker. And I'd recently played 'Arkham Asylum'/reread the book of the same name, so that's where that came from.

But yep. She is absolute bugnuts.

651 Spare O'Lake  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:28:43pm

Even if, for argument's sake, the Egyptian FM said what he is alleged to have said i.e. that the POTUS intends to follow a "Muslim" agenda, what basis would there be to believe that Obama actually said it? That anyone with the slightest respect for fairness or truth would adopt such scandalous allegations as being true without any meaningful fact-checking is simply inexcusable.
Paypal seems to have acted correctly.

652 avanti  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:30:31pm

re: #642 Bagua

Here is the pdf. Israel Today is a messianic kook site, not an Israeli Newspaper.

And just Google the guy that wrote the story that has the right wing blogs all excited,Victor Mordecai, another kook. You'd think they'd feel duped, but I'd bet this story is now taken as Gospel and going viral today.

653 Mocking Jay  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:31:13pm

re: #650 deadletterboy

I was trying to come up with someone appropriately insane who wasn't, you know, The Joker. And I'd recently played 'Arkham Asylum'/reread the book of the same name, so that's where that came from.

But yep. She is absolute bugnuts.

God I can't wait for some disposable income so I can get a 360. If it doesn't happen before Halo Reach comes out I might cry.

Awesome avatar, by the way. I just want to cuddle him until I go insane.

654 cliffster  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:32:53pm

re: #649 Mad Al-Jaffee

almost as cool as getting payed to play golf. If it were me playing any instrument, they'd pay me to leave.

655 Gus  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:33:17pm

re: #652 avanti

And just Google the guy that wrote the story that has the right wing blogs all excited,Victor Mordecai, another kook. You'd think they'd feel duped, but I'd bet this story is now taken as Gospel and going viral today.

You ever get the feeling that everybody in the third track class bought a computer?

656 Spare O'Lake  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:36:36pm

Calling someone like Geller crazy does not do justice to the obvious malicious intent.

657 lostlakehiker  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:36:59pm

re: #412 Dark_Falcon

Why can't spending simply be cut without raising income taxes?

Because CA is in too deep a financial hole. There has to be more revenue. But spending has to be cut drastically, and that means voiding the unaffordable contracts.

658 CuriousLurker  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:41:20pm

re: #647 Stanley Sea

Uh, that's my face. Sorry.

Wait. Do you think maybe it could actually be... Charles? Maybe he's creating a covert Lizard colony there with the intention of beaming his evil reptilian death rays at the hapless, unsuspecting inhabitants of the wingnut-o-sphere. /

659 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:42:18pm

re: #658 CuriousLurker

Wait. Do you think maybe it could actually be... Charles? Maybe he's creating a covert Lizard colony there with the intention of beaming his evil reptilian death rays at the hapless, unsuspecting inhabitants of the wingnut-o-sphere. /

Hon, you have got to stop coming in at the END of threads, and start getting here earlier!

660 CuriousLurker  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 10:45:48pm

re: #659 reine.de.tout

Hon, you have got to stop coming in at the END of threads, and start getting here earlier!

Yeah, I always seem to get here about 5 minutes before Charles posts a new one. *sigh*

I can't stay tonight anyway. Hope to see you all tomorrow.

661 [deleted]  Sat, Jun 12, 2010 11:42:19pm
662 ClaudeMonet  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 12:08:36am

re: #337 Dark_Falcon

Well, I would argue Ronald Reagan was at least a partial exception. Circumstances made Carter vulnerable, but having the right candidate gave the GOP the win.

Circumstances largely of his own making. The man had all the backbone of a jellyfish. With the exception of the Camp David accords, a disaster from start to finish. Hugged our enemies and ignored their human rights violations, left our friends high and dry while publicly noting everything they'd done wrong, Mr. Rogers in his cardigan. He ran on the slogan "A government as good as the people it serves", then ran things into the ground so the people would be as badly off as their government. Domestic policy disaster after disaster, no backbone when Iran seized our embassy.

Great intentions do not a great Presidency make.

re: #230 avanti

In read his books, and watched him in action and I'll give you that he's naive. He thinks you can rationalize with irrational leaders. i.e. he really believed he could sway bad guys to do good things.

So did Jimmy Carter. See above. The irony is that Carter, for all his incompetence, did find the one Arab leader with the guts to make peace.

re: #209 albusteve

get on the bus Gus

Make a new plan Stan

re: #16 Gus 802

Yes, be patient world Moslems. It begins as soon as we show Obama the Queen of Diamonds!

Nice "Manchurian Candidate" reference. What a great movie.

663 shai_au  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 12:27:07am

Just been reading a bit more, in between working on a Masters project.

Man, the "Muslims" in some of the comments on Geller's page would give the "Jews" on neo-Nazi pages a run for their money, in the Global Conspiracy stakes.

664 ClaudeMonet  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 12:32:42am

re: #500 prairiefire

What? A man consumed with greed can be far more destructive than the American government.

A sufficiently rich man or woman IS the government in many cases. It depends on the location and population density of an area.

665 ClaudeMonet  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 12:38:42am

re: #542 sattv4u2

P O R K

Case in point. When Nixon won his reelection in 72, Massachusetts was the only state that voted against him.

As a consequence, he decimated the economy by closing military bases and halting gov't contracts to private companies there

I saw this up close and personal, btw

Of course, some of the "retaliation" was a reduction in the enormous and outsized contracts and such that went to Massachusetts when JFK was president and/or John McCormack was Speaker of the House. MA's share of the pork pie went from large to huge under JFK, Nixon cut it down and then some (in retaliation). He was more blatant about it than most.

Almost every President gets goodies for his home state, which never refuses them. Those same states sure scream when another President cuts them back down.

666 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 9:30:54am

The wingnut blogs are in a fine frenzy over this today. It's hilarious; they're all acting as if PayPal has no reason at all to classify Geller's sites as "promoting hate."

When it's flat out obvious that she does.

And they're all passing around that hypocritical, dishonest Ace of Spades post as if it's a work of genius, and high-fiving each other that Ace really "smacked" me that time.

It's like reading the rantings of evil-minded children.

667 [deleted]  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 2:18:56pm
668 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 7:03:56pm

re: #667 boxhead

I answered you in this thread.

669 Bombarafat  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:52:33am

I don't know who Pamela Geller is but I do know Paypal.
I'll just say I switched to Paymate.


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