Right Wing Blogs: Possessed?

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Some days it seems as if the right wing blogosphere has become possessed by the Demons of Utter Stupidity.

Today the wingnuts are overwhelmingly falling in line to support Pamela Geller, spewing hatred at PayPal for shutting down her account (because she’s using it to promote hatred), and accusing PayPal of being part of the global jihad.

The pathetically ironic part of all this yelling and whining: these are the same people who insist that businesses have an absolute right to deny service to anyone for any reason.

The fact is that there are plenty of good reasons to make the judgment that Pamela Geller promotes crazy hate speech, racist groups, and conspiracy theories; her main targets are Muslims, but many of these reasons have nothing to do with Islam, radical or otherwise.

For example, her bizarre racist accusation that Barack Obama is the illegitimate child of Malcolm X. Or her promotion of Birther theories. Or her association with far right fascist parties in Europe, such as the Belgian Vlaams Belang, the BNP-linked English Defense League, and the neo-Nazi-linked Pro-Koln group. Or her outrageous support and whitewashing of murdered South African neo-Nazi leader Eugene Terreblanche.

I could continue listing examples for a very long time. She’s been dealing in hate speech and extremism for years.

Or I could just direct you to her latest post for another blatant example of her hate-based insanity: ‘I am a Muslim,’ Obama Tells Egyptian Foreign Minister Gheit Islamic Coup on the White House - Atlas Shrugs.

Her sources for the claim that President Obama has staged an “Islamic Coup on the White House:” wacko fringe fundamentalist sites linked to people like Chuck Baldwin.

The heroine of the right wing blogosphere. “We’re all Pamela Geller now!”

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753 comments
1 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:52:59am

Sorry, Mrs Geller, no whites allowed in this establishment!!!

2 Varek Raith  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:53:33am

re: #1 ralphieboy

Sorry, Mrs Geller, no whites allowed in this establishment!!!

Except, she's orange.
:P

3 Obdicut  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:54:51am

re: #1 ralphieboy

Sorry, Mrs Geller, no whites allowed in this establishment!!!

The thing is, I feel it's important to note what Paypal is doing is absolutely nothing like forbidding service to a race.

It is exactly like a bar not serving someone who is being obstreperous. Or a newspaper not publishing an ad for, say, the KKK.

It is nothing about Gellar that is prompting their action. It is about her behavior.

4 researchok  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:59:18am

Geller does make one point.

There are plenty of other blatant hate sights that are enrolled with PayPal. I hope PayPal sees fit to cut them off as well.

What is interesting is that Geller can only make a case by saying she no different from other more virulent hate sites.

5 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 11:01:36am

I was watching Rand paul's discussion with Rachel maddow about non.discrimination in private businesses open to the public.

he used the argument that the state could then rule that owners of shops might not be able to forbid patrons to carry weapons if the local authorities decided that public carrying of weapons was allowed.

Which I found a weak analogy. Businesses can have dress codes - if they are applied consistently. One can check one's gun at the door, but not one's skin color.

6 researchok  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 11:02:30am

A bit of British satire on Hamas:

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

7 Cato the Elder  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 11:02:53am

re: #3 Obdicut

The thing is, I feel it's important to note what Paypal is doing is absolutely nothing like forbidding service to a race.

It is exactly like a bar not serving someone who is being obstreperous. Or a newspaper not publishing an ad for, say, the KKK.

It is nothing about Gellar that is prompting their action. It is about her behavior.

Once again, people, do not confuse Geller with Gellar! It is simply unpardonable.

The one is a vampire, the other stakes 'em.

8 researchok  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 11:03:47am

And satire on Iran

9 Targetpractice  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 11:06:34am

re: #4 researchok

Geller does make one point.

There are plenty of other blatant hate sights that are enrolled with PayPal. I hope PayPal sees fit to cut them off as well.

What is interesting is that Geller can only make a case by saying she no different from other more virulent hate sites.

That's her argument? "They do it too, why am I being singled out?!"?

10 theheat  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 11:07:44am

re: #4 researchok

If it's brought to PayPal's attention, and they choose to look the other way about the other hate sites, then Gellar has a point. Bad, bad PayPal. Shitty, shitty PayPal. No two ways about it.

But, as you said, it doesn't discount the fact her site is a full on hate site. She's a freakin' embarrassment, a complete nutter. More troubling, still, are the hordes that find refuge with her ilk.

11 brookly red  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 11:08:31am

re: #9 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

That's her argument? "They do it too, why am I being singled out?!"?

/uh-oh, gender discrimination... yeah that's the ticket.

12 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 11:09:31am

Oh, that liberal "victim mentality" - Rush tells us about it all the time...

13 Varek Raith  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 11:09:52am

re: #7 Cato the Elder

Once again, people, do not confuse Geller with Gellar! It is simply unpardonable.

The one is a vampire, the other stakes 'em.

Conflicted, I am. Should I upding you for the correction, or downding you for the comparison to my people (Vampires)?

14 researchok  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 11:13:01am

re: #9 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

That's her argument? "They do it too, why am I being singled out?!"?

EXACTLY

15 Cato the Elder  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 11:13:39am

re: #13 Varek Raith

Conflicted, I am. Should I upding you for the correction, or downding you for the comparison to my people (Vampires)?

Vampires can be Galactic Overlords?

We are so screwed.

16 Four More Tears  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 11:17:18am

re: #15 Cato the Elder

I, for one, welcome our new vampiric overlords.

17 brookly red  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 11:17:44am

Hey sorry for going OT, but I just saw that the guy from NJ they busted at the airport attempting to go overseas for jihad training was the very same guy with the infamous " Kill All Juice" sign... anybody know if this is true?

18 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 11:18:43am

Heh. The wingnuts actually think they're going to hurt PayPal's business by canceling their own accounts.

19 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 11:18:54am

re: #17 brookly red

Hey sorry for going OT, but I just saw that the guy from NJ they busted at the airport attempting to go overseas for jihad training was the very same guy with the infamous " Kill All Juice" sign... anybody know if this is true?


My kids can kill a pitcher of orange juice before I can get a glass...

20 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 11:19:11am

re: #17 brookly red

Hey sorry for going OT, but I just saw that the guy from NJ they busted at the airport attempting to go overseas for jihad training was the very same guy with the infamous " Kill All Juice" sign... anybody know if this is true?

Yes, it's true -- these were the dumbest jihadis in the world.

21 brookly red  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 11:19:54am

re: #20 Charles

Yes, it's true -- these were the dumbest jihadis in the world.

thanks for verifying that

22 Targetpractice  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 11:21:47am

re: #18 Charles

Heh. The wingnuts actually think they're going to hurt PayPal's business by canceling their own accounts.

Armchair warriors, they are. Tilt at windmills, they will. Hmmm.

23 Four More Tears  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 11:22:56am

re: #22 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Armchair warriors, they are. Tilt at windmills, they will. Hmmm.

Good luck selling, or buying, on e Bay without PayPal, I say.

24 Cato the Elder  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 11:23:17am

And right on cue, the moral morons are crying "freedom of speech! help! I'm being repressed!"

Youtube Video

Listen, Pam: no one is abridging your right to be a mental midget and trumpet that fact to the world. You are free to hate all you like, and post about it every day. You are also free to pay for it, or wheedle money out of your retarded fans to pay for it, and live off the surplus.

You are not free to use the good offices of a reputable business in support of your schemes, however. If you offered me a tithe of every jar tip that comes your way, I would still not touch you with a barge-pole.

That's known as freedom of association.

25 brookly red  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 11:24:08am

re: #23 JasonA

Good luck selling, or buying, on e Bay without PayPal, I say.

well look at the bright side, now they will have to deal in gold :)

26 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 11:24:40am

She could sign up to the new money exchange for modern conservative women: Palin Pals (TM)

27 lostlakehiker  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 11:24:56am

Wikipedia on Eugene Terreblanche...
How he lived:

On June 17, 2001, Terre'Blanche was sentenced to six years in prison, of which he served three years, for assaulting a petrol station worker and the attempted murder of a security guard in 1996.[2] [snip] the AWB website claims these court cases and other scandals involving him were fabricated by the 'Black Government and the left wing media'.[10]

Paul Motshabi was permanently disabled when he was beaten up by Terre'Blanche in 1996. He was crippled and intellectually impaired by brain damage sustained in the attack, and his wife left him


And how he died:

Terre'Blanche, who had lived in relative obscurity since the collapse of his organisation,[35] was murdered on his farm Villana, just outside of Ventersdorp on April 3, 2010. He was reportedly beaten to death with pipes and pangas (machetes), while napping, by two black males aged 28 and 15, allegedly over a wage dispute. Other allegations emerged that Terre'Blanche had sexually assaulted one or both of the accused.[36][37][38] Terre'Blanche's body was found on the bed with facial and head injuries, stripped half naked.[39][40][41][42][43][44][45][46] Terre'Blanche is survived by his wife Martie and daughter[1] Bea.[9]

Ventersdorp police said two suspects were taken into custody over his killing;[47] they have both been charged with murder.[48] South African President Jacob Zuma, who followed up an overnight statement with a televised address[49] called for calm and for "responsible leadership"[49] following the murder, describing it as a "terrible deed";[35][50] and described the murder as "cowardly".[51] Zuma's words were echoed by the AWB and organisations including AfriForum and Solidarity. Minister of Police Nathi Mthethwa Commissioner of police, Bheki Cele and other high ranking police officials,[49] and politicians[52] visited Terre'Blanche's family in Ventersdorp the morning after the murder, in order to express sympathy with his family.[53][54]


A sordid life and a sordid end.

And this is what Geller wrote, in the "American Thinker". (excerpt)

The genocide of white South Africans is heating up.

Last week, South Africa's ruling African National Congress (ANC) finally told its members to stop singing the song "Kill the Boer" -- that is, murder white South Africans. ("Boer" is Afrikaans for "farmer," but colloquially, it is a disparaging term for any white South African.) This came after ANC Youth League leader Julius Malema defied a court ruling and kept singing the song (he still refuses to stop), and after Eugene Terreblanche, leader of the noxious and hateful neo-Nazi Afrikaner Resistance Movement (AWB), was found savagely bludgeoned to death at his farm in South Africa's North West province.

The international media focused on Terreblanche's white supremacism, showing his followers giving the Nazi salute at his funeral. No account of his murder or funeral spoke about Malema, "Kill the Boer," or black supremacism -- yet that is the really important story in South Africa today.

Whites in South Africa are keenly aware of the plans to kill them. They expect mass killings to begin very soon after the death of Mandela, but to tell this to the world is a waste of energy. More than three thousand white farmers have already been murdered, and Genocide Watch lists the Boer farmers in South Africa as victims of genocide -- but the media couldn't care less. Malema has praised Zimbabwe's murderous seizure of white-owned farms as "courageous and militant." White South Africans know what's coming.


So she says. White South Africans would be leaving if they actually knew any such thing. Defense by tu quoque.

28 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 11:25:06am

Glenn Reynolds shouts: PAM GELLER MAY SUE PAYPAL FOR CALLING HER BLOG A "HATE SITE."

For a lawyer, Reynolds can be amazingly stupid about legal matters. Geller has absolutely no grounds to sue PayPal. It would be laughed out of any courtroom, and Reynolds knows it. No lawyer would even take such an obvious losing case.

29 brookly red  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 11:25:09am

re: #26 ralphieboy

She could sign up to the new money exchange for modern conservative women: Palin Pals (TM)

rimshot!

30 Targetpractice  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 11:26:55am

re: #28 Charles

Glenn Reynolds shouts: PAM GELLER MAY SUE PAYPAL FOR CALLING HER BLOG A "HATE SITE."

For a lawyer, Reynolds can be amazingly stupid about legal matters. Geller has absolutely no grounds to sue PayPal. It would be laughed out of any courtroom, and Reynolds knows it. No lawyer would even take such an obvious losing case.

Yeah, but we said the same thing about Orly Taitz and the birther BS too.

31 brookly red  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 11:27:53am

re: #28 Charles

Glenn Reynolds shouts: PAM GELLER MAY SUE PAYPAL FOR CALLING HER BLOG A "HATE SITE."

For a lawyer, Reynolds can be amazingly stupid about legal matters. Geller has absolutely no grounds to sue PayPal. It would be laughed out of any courtroom, and Reynolds knows it. No lawyer would even take such an obvious losing case.

what state would the trial be in? could make a difference...

32 Four More Tears  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 11:28:06am

re: #28 Charles

If she's bringing in enough money through donations to fund those bus ads then I really don't understand why she needs PayPal in the first place. Just get a damn merchant ID number and accept credit cards already.

33 bratwurst  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 11:29:21am

re: #30 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Yeah, but we said the same thing about Orly Taitz and the birther BS too.


Which has been laughed out of every courtroom it has entered to date.

34 Nimed  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 11:29:23am

re: #26 ralphieboy

She could sign up to the new money exchange for modern conservative women: Palin Pals (TM)

Or PayPalin.

35 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 11:29:43am

re: #28 Charles

Glenn Reynolds shouts: PAM GELLER MAY SUE PAYPAL FOR CALLING HER BLOG A "HATE SITE."

For a lawyer, Reynolds can be amazingly stupid about legal matters. Geller has absolutely no grounds to sue PayPal. It would be laughed out of any courtroom, and Reynolds knows it. No lawyer would even take such an obvious losing case.


The PR potential is just too great, it would be worth her effort just to keep it percolating in the media and blogoshphere.

36 darthstar  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 11:31:00am

re: #20 Charles

Yes, it's true -- these were the dumbest jihadis in the world.

Maybe if we had a school voucher system we could raise smarter home-grown terrorists.///

Just stopping by to say hi, everyone...going to make this a one-post visit as I need to get the boys down to the beach for some splash-time...then it's off to a pool party this afternoon.

Hope everyone's having a good day.

37 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 11:31:00am

re: #30 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Yeah, but we said the same thing about Orly Taitz and the birther BS too.

That's because Taitz is a lawyer herself, and she brings her own cases. And she's paying for it big time -- she's been fined large amounts of money and is facing possible censure from the CA bar.

38 Targetpractice  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 11:32:02am

re: #37 Charles

That's because Taitz is a lawyer herself, and she brings her own cases. And she's paying for it big time -- she's been fined large amounts of money and is facing possible censure from the CA bar.

Something about the old adage about a lawyer who represents him/herself has an idiot for a client rings so true here.

39 Cato the Elder  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 11:33:11am

Geller posted a long screed about black "genocide" against white South Africans in which she was at great pains to cast doubt on whether or not he was a Nazi.

Heh. Great friends you have, Pam.

40 Nimed  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 11:34:25am

re: #28 Charles

Glenn Reynolds shouts: PAM GELLER MAY SUE PAYPAL FOR CALLING HER BLOG A "HATE SITE."

For a lawyer, Reynolds can be amazingly stupid about legal matters. Geller has absolutely no grounds to sue PayPal. It would be laughed out of any courtroom, and Reynolds knows it. No lawyer would even take such an obvious losing case.

Yeah, it's pretty stupid. And it's not the first time. Reynolds has a known history of making completely idiotic legal arguments in his blog.

Remember, these are same the people who were threatening to "go Galt". 9_9

41 Cato the Elder  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 11:34:38am

re: #38 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Something about the old adage about a lawyer who represents him/herself has an idiot for a client rings so true here.

Actually, it's "has an fool for a lawyer and a fool for a client"...

42 Targetpractice  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 11:35:55am

re: #41 Cato the Elder

Actually, it's "has an fool for a lawyer and a fool for a client"...

"Thank you, but I prefer it my way."

/

43 Four More Tears  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 11:36:17am

re: #40 Nimed

Is a nut not entitled to the sweat of her row...

44 jamesfirecat  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 11:36:28am

re: #31 brookly red

what state would the trial be in? could make a difference...

The state of Denial....

45 brookly red  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 11:37:25am

re: #44 jamesfirecat

The state of Denial...

no thats an Appeals Court...

46 Nimed  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 11:38:51am

And now, for a completely different (and better) reason to freak out:

The End of Men

Earlier this year, women became the majority of the workforce for the first time in U.S. history. Most managers are now women too. And for every two men who get a college degree this year, three women will do the same. For years, women’s progress has been cast as a struggle for equality. But what if equality isn’t the end point? What if modern, postindustrial society is simply better suited to women? A report on the unprecedented role reversal now under way— and its vast cultural consequences

NOOO0OOO!!

47 Targetpractice  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 11:39:12am

re: #43 JasonA

Is a nut not entitled to the sweat of her row...

"No," says the man in Washington, "it belongs to the media."
"No," says the man in the Tea Party, "it belongs to the angry mob."
"No," says the man in Paypal, "it belongs to our shareholders."

/

48 Four More Tears  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 11:39:38am

re: #46 Nimed

I, for one, welcome our new female overlords...

49 brookly red  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 11:40:26am

re: #46 Nimed

And now, for a completely different (and better) reason to freak out:

The End of Men

Earlier this year, women became the majority of the workforce for the first time in U.S. history. Most managers are now women too. And for every two men who get a college degree this year, three women will do the same. For years, women’s progress has been cast as a struggle for equality. But what if equality isn’t the end point? What if modern, postindustrial society is simply better suited to women? A report on the unprecedented role reversal now under way— and its vast cultural consequences

NOOO0OOO!!

hey sit at home & drink beer, wait to get fed... it's not a total loss.

50 brookly red  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 11:41:10am

re: #48 JasonA

I, for one, welcome our new female overlords...

you are sooo whipped.

51 Nimed  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 11:41:36am

re: #41 Cato the Elder

re: #47 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

re: #48 JasonA

It's men people like you who make LGF's comment section a classy joint.

52 _remembertonyc  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 11:42:27am

i heard pam geller was a lakers fan ...

53 Donna Ballard  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 11:42:35am

re: #50 brookly red

you are sooo whipped.

Okay, heres where I'm going to quote Mandy:

"In bed"

Sorry, you begged for it! ;P

54 Four More Tears  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 11:44:09am

re: #50 brookly red

you are sooo whipped.

Only on Saturdays.

What?

55 brookly red  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 11:45:26am

re: #54 JasonA

Only on Saturdays.

What?

no Thursdays too... we checked your pay pal records

56 Four More Tears  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 11:46:28am

In other news...
Tens of thousands flee ethnic violence in Kyrgyzstan

The next Kosovo, or just one more country that most Americans will never be able to find on the map?

57 Four More Tears  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 11:47:19am

re: #55 brookly red

no Thursdays too... we checked your pay pal records

No, every Thursday I get together with my friends for Halo. I do the whipping.

58 Donna Ballard  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 11:47:33am

You know when I read stuff like this woman complaining about her paypal account being shut down I just have to shake my head. Just when I though I had heard everything some nutcase comes up with yet another ridiculous statement. *sigh* When will all the stupidity end?

59 Cato the Elder  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 11:47:50am

Eugene Terreblance doing his best not to look like a Nazi.

Youtube Video
60 brookly red  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 11:48:10am

re: #56 JasonA

In other news...
Tens of thousands flee ethnic violence in Kyrgyzstan

The next Kosovo, or just one more country that most Americans will never be able to find on the map?

that is some deep shit... and it might spread too. Not good at all.

61 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 11:48:31am

re: #59 Cato the Elder

Eugene Terreblance doing his best not to look like a Nazi.

[Video]


Ivan the Terreblance?

62 Targetpractice  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 11:48:41am

re: #56 JasonA

In other news...
Tens of thousands flee ethnic violence in Kyrgyzstan

The next Kosovo, or just one more country that most Americans will never be able to find on the map?

Are Israelis involved? Or Americans? No? Then it's not a cause for concern. Now get back to being outraged at the Israeli blockade!

///

63 Four More Tears  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 11:48:46am

re: #58 Dragon_Lady

*sigh* When will all the stupidity end?

You'll just have to wait for this...

64 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 11:50:22am

re: #62 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Are Israelis involved? Or Americans? No? Then it's not a cause for concern. Now get back to being outraged at the Israeli blockade!

///


The USSR should not have been allowed to dissolve until they had at least set up mechanisms to peacefully resolve the conflicts that must unavoidably ensue from its demise.

65 Donna Ballard  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 11:50:50am

re: #63 JasonA

You'll just have to wait for this...

Sweetie, in 3.5 billion years all I will be is dust in the wind.

66 Targetpractice  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 11:51:22am

re: #64 ralphieboy

The USSR should not have been allowed to dissolve until they had at least set up mechanisms to peacefully resolve the conflicts that must unavoidably ensue from its demise.

I really don't think anybody was thinking about that. Most were too happy that the Cold War was over and the "Evil Empire" was dead to worry about picking up the pieces.

67 Nimed  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 11:52:21am

re: #65 Dragon_Lady

Sweetie, in 3.5 billion years all I will be is dust in the wind.

And I'm going to be really lonely...

68 Four More Tears  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 11:53:00am

Need to bounce for a little while. Try not to say anything interesting and/or funny without me.

69 brookly red  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 11:53:48am

re: #64 ralphieboy

The USSR should not have been allowed to dissolve until they had at least set up mechanisms to peacefully resolve the conflicts that must unavoidably ensue from its demise.

well who was there to dis-allow it?

70 Donna Ballard  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 11:54:00am

re: #67 Nimed

And I'm going to be really lonely...

Awww poor baby. Maybe you can get Ms. Geller to keep you company...//

71 Ojoe  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 11:54:31am

Moderate centrism is better for the country than the extremism of either the left or the right.

Someone else can post the Modern Whig Party URL.

Happy Sunday everyone.

72 Donna Ballard  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 11:54:46am

re: #68 JasonA

Need to bounce for a little while. Try not to say anything interesting and/or funny without me.

You snooze, you loose!

73 Targetpractice  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 11:55:49am

re: #65 Dragon_Lady

Sweetie, in 3.5 billion years all I will be is dust in the wind.

Youtube Video
74 Ojoe  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 11:56:26am

re: #46 Nimed

Ojoe, neanderthal, will always be better suited for some things than would be Betty Boop.

75 Cato the Elder  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 11:57:02am

re: #39 Cato the Elder

ΠΙΜΦ: By "he" I meant Eugene Terreblance.

(Whose very name is a political program - it means "White Earth".

76 A Man for all Seasons  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 11:58:18am

re: #72 Dragon_Lady

You snooze, you loose!

How is RWC's birthday going?

77 SixDegrees  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 11:58:19am

re: #28 Charles

Glenn Reynolds shouts: PAM GELLER MAY SUE PAYPAL FOR CALLING HER BLOG A "HATE SITE."

For a lawyer, Reynolds can be amazingly stupid about legal matters. Geller has absolutely no grounds to sue PayPal. It would be laughed out of any courtroom, and Reynolds knows it. No lawyer would even take such an obvious losing case.

Maybe. I wouldn't be so sure, though. I haven't read PayPal's definition of what constitutes a hate site, but hate is a tricky concept to pin down, at least in legalistic terms. Jugs may very well be able to make a case that she was deprived of income by an inconsistent policy unevenly applied. Stranger things have happened.

One thing is certain, though: this incident, and the attendant flurry of publicity it has created, both good and bad, will certainly spike her traffic. But as that's in a different category from PayPal donations, it wouldn't be considered as a counter-argument.

78 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 11:58:41am

re: #66 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I really don't think anybody was thinking about that. Most were too happy that the Cold War was over and the "Evil Empire" was dead to worry about picking up the pieces.

Exactly. Everybody was glad to see it happen, but nobody was really ready for it.

Russia now has one of the largest diaspora of any nation of the world, with millions now living abroad, and those who were once a coddled elite in the satellite states now find themselves a discriminated minority in a foreign country.

Not to mention the armed conflicts that have arisen in Modova, Georgia, Turkmenistan, Chechnya and Kirgyzstan...

79 Donna Ballard  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 11:58:46am

re: #73 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

[Video]

One of my all time fav's! Unfortunately RWC still hasn't replaced our sound card which quite a while ago. I hear it in my head note for note though! I appreciate the thought though! Upding for thoughtfulness!

80 brookly red  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 11:59:05am

gonna grab a slice (of pizza) ... back in 5

81 Ojoe  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 12:01:04pm

re: #80 brookly red

Very local pizzaria (sp?).

82 Targetpractice  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 12:01:39pm

re: #78 ralphieboy

Exactly. Everybody was glad to see it happen, but nobody was really ready for it.

Russia now has one of the largest diaspora of any nation of the world, with millions now living abroad, and those who were once a coddled elite in the satellite states now find themselves a discriminated minority in a foreign country.

Not to mention the armed conflicts that have arisen in Modova, Georgia, Turkmenistan, Chechnya and Kirgyzstan...

Well, we also have to remember the mindset of the time, which was that the USSR was forever. That we could never truly hope to beat the Russkies at their own game, so we had to settle for parity or a slight advantage. Look at the science fiction of the 80s, everybody was predicting that the Soviets would be around for decades, if not centuries. So when the whole thing was declared "kaputski," it was so much a system shock that nobody spared a few seconds to ask "What do we do now?"

83 Donna Ballard  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 12:02:20pm

re: #76 HoosierHoops

How is RWC's birthday going?

Oh we had a real blast, you should have seen his face when everyone shouted "Surprise"! I can't wait to see the pics, a few of my neighbors had cameras ready for the bib moment. I was in collusion with one of our neighbors and she was texting me every 10 or so minutes with updates. RWC thought I was becoming addicted to texting as was considering taking away my cell phone! Ha! What a laugh that was!

84 Donna Ballard  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 12:04:55pm

re: #83 Dragon_Lady

Oh we had a real blast, you should have seen his face when everyone shouted "Surprise"! I can't wait to see the pics, a few of my neighbors had cameras ready for the bib big moment. I was in collusion with one of our neighbors and she was texting me every 10 or so minutes with updates. RWC thought I was becoming addicted to texting as was considering taking away my cell phone! Ha! What a laugh that was!

PIMF! I'm still tired, after we got back I don't think I got to sit for more than two minutes at a time. Phew, boy am I glad its over!

85 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 12:11:01pm
UPDATE: Overwhelmed by the support and all those writing to paypal. They won't will. They think they have. What they don't know is, we have not yet begun to fight.
86 philosophus invidius  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 12:13:32pm

re: #28 Charles

Glenn Reynolds shouts: PAM GELLER MAY SUE PAYPAL FOR CALLING HER BLOG A "HATE SITE."

For a lawyer, Reynolds can be amazingly stupid about legal matters. Geller has absolutely no grounds to sue PayPal. It would be laughed out of any courtroom, and Reynolds knows it. No lawyer would even take such an obvious losing case.

Orly Taitz?

87 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 12:14:42pm

In all the years that I have had a "donate through PayPal" link on my site, do you know how much I have received through donation? $1!

Most of the revenue for my site comes from purchases made at the Zionist Mall.

88 McSpiff  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 12:15:27pm

re: #87 Alouette

In all the years that I have had a "donate through PayPal" link on my site, do you know how much I have received through donation? $1!

Most of the revenue for my site comes from purchases made at the Zionist Mall.

Of course! You think those global Jihadis would let a penny through to you?

89 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 12:15:58pm

re: #40 Nimed

Yeah, it's pretty stupid. And it's not the first time. Reynolds has a known history of making completely idiotic legal arguments in his blog.

Remember, these are same the people who were threatening to "go Galt". 9_9

I think 'going Galt' is the right-winger equivalent of 'I'm going to live in an old windmill in the South of France and paint'.

In both cases, the thing that prevents you is that you actually are dependent on the economy you believe you are above.

90 brookly red  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 12:16:21pm

re: #82 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Well, we also have to remember the mindset of the time, which was that the USSR was forever. That we could never truly hope to beat the Russkies at their own game, so we had to settle for parity or a slight advantage. Look at the science fiction of the 80s, everybody was predicting that the Soviets would be around for decades, if not centuries. So when the whole thing was declared "kaputski," it was so much a system shock that nobody spared a few seconds to ask "What do we do now?"

Last night I watched the news from Washington, the capitol
The Russians escaped while we weren't watching them, like Russians will
Now we've got all this room, we've even got the moon
And I hear the U.S.S.R. will be open soon
As vacation land for lawyers in love

-Jackson Browne

91 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 12:17:54pm

re: #59 Cato the Elder

Eugene Terreblance doing his best not to look like a Nazi.

[Video]

The photographs of his funeral were frightening.

92 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 12:17:58pm

re: #85 Killgore Trout

UPDATE: Overwhelmed by the support and all those writing to paypal. They won't will. They think they have. What they don't know is, we have not yet begun to fight.

Huh?

93 philosophus invidius  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 12:18:42pm

re: #71 Ojoe

Moderate centrism is better for the country than the extremism of either the left or the right.

Someone else can post the Modern Whig Party URL.

Happy Sunday everyone.

[Link: www.modernwhi...]

94 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 12:18:58pm

re: #82 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Well, we also have to remember the mindset of the time, which was that the USSR was forever. That we could never truly hope to beat the Russkies at their own game, so we had to settle for parity or a slight advantage. Look at the science fiction of the 80s, everybody was predicting that the Soviets would be around for decades, if not centuries. So when the whole thing was declared "kaputski," it was so much a system shock that nobody spared a few seconds to ask "What do we do now?"


The three biggest republics, Russia, Ukraine and Belarus, were behind the breakup. They were large enough to survive as independent countries, ther rest were far from prepared for independence.

95 brookly red  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 12:19:03pm

re: #92 MandyManners

UPDATE: Overwhelmed by the support and all those writing to paypal. They won't will. They think they have. What they don't know is, we have not yet begun to fight.

Huh?

have a six pack & it is much clearer...

96 Donna Ballard  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 12:19:11pm

re: #85 Killgore Trout

re: #92 MandyManners

UPDATE: Overwhelmed by the support and all those writing to paypal. They won't will. They think they have. What they don't know is, we have not yet begun to fight.

Huh?

I was kinda wondering about that myself...

97 Donna Ballard  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 12:19:55pm

re: #95 brookly red

have a six pack & it is much clearer...

You are so funny...

98 Targetpractice  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 12:20:28pm

re: #95 brookly red

have a six pack & it is much clearer...

My friend, I think we'll need something strong. I'll go break out the Romulan Ale.

99 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 12:20:38pm

re: #95 brookly red

have a six pack & it is much clearer...

Six pack of what?

100 brookly red  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 12:20:44pm

re: #97 Dragon_Lady

You are so funny...

not everyone appreciates it...

101 Decatur Deb  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 12:21:30pm

re: #96 Dragon_Lady

re: #92 MandyManners

I was kinda wondering about that myself...

Probable typo for "win".

102 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 12:21:40pm

Playing with a new desktop.
*waves to the Lizards*

103 brookly red  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 12:21:41pm

re: #99 MandyManners

Six pack of what?

if you gotta ask you will never know...

104 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 12:22:03pm

re: #75 Cato the Elder

ΠΙΜΦ: By "he" I meant Eugene Terreblance.

(Whose very name is a political program - it means "White Earth".

It's an odd coincidence, but apparently it's not an adopted name.

105 McSpiff  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 12:23:11pm

Arab League chief Amr Moussa in first visit to Gaza

he Head of the Arab League is visiting the Gaza Strip, the first senior Arab official to do so since the Islamist militant group Hamas took over in 2007.

Amr Moussa's visit is partly intended to add to pressure on Israel to end its Gaza blockade, correspondents say.

...

106 Donna Ballard  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 12:23:55pm

re: #100 brookly red

not everyone appreciates it...

I love a good sarcastic sense of humor, mine gets me into trouble so I try to keep my comments to myself (Doesn't always work though). Only RWC understands my humor cause his is the same...

107 Decatur Deb  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 12:24:01pm

One of the PayPal nominal founders is not likely to be sympathetic:

Peter Thiel

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

108 Donna Ballard  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 12:24:57pm

re: #102 Floral Giraffe

Playing with a new desktop.
*waves to the Lizards*

*Waves Back* Hi Floral! Happy Sunday, having fun with your new compooter?

109 brookly red  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 12:25:06pm

re: #104 SanFranciscoZionist

It's an odd coincidence, but apparently it's not an adopted name.

/these things happen... I went to school with a Jewish guy who married a Navajo woman. To please his parents they gave their first born a Jewish name... Whitefish.

110 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 12:25:10pm

I'm outta' here. I spilled the griddle's full cup of bacon grease all over my legs and the kitchen floor between the island and the sink. My legs are clean now but it's gonna' take a while to scrub the floor.

111 steroid  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 12:25:35pm

"The pathetically ironic part of all this yelling and whining: these are the same people who insist that businesses have an absolute right to deny service to anyone for any reason."

OK, I agree with most of the sentiments here, but have to take issue with this. I also believe that a business has the absolute right to deny service, but that consumers have the right to band together and take action including boycotting and publishing the reasons behind a boycott to convince others. If Geller is suing PayPal, she shouldn't win. But I shall mark PayPal down a point myself for their decision. Not because I agree with Geller's opinions, but because I don't believe the company should discriminate on the basis of hate-opinion. It is not relevant to their business.

112 Donna Ballard  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 12:27:16pm

re: #110 MandyManners

I'm outta' here. I spilled the griddle's full cup of bacon grease all over my legs and the kitchen floor between the island and the sink. My legs are clean now but it's gonna' take a while to scrub the floor.

Yuk! What a job, I don't envy you my friend. Be careful, that stuffs mighty slippery, we wouldn't want you to slip and hurt yourself.

113 lostlakehiker  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 12:27:49pm

re: #46 Nimed

And now, for a completely different (and better) reason to freak out:

The End of Men

Earlier this year, women became the majority of the workforce for the first time in U.S. history. Most managers are now women too. And for every two men who get a college degree this year, three women will do the same. For years, women’s progress has been cast as a struggle for equality. But what if equality isn’t the end point? What if modern, postindustrial society is simply better suited to women? A report on the unprecedented role reversal now under way— and its vast cultural consequences

NOOO0OOO!!

The only thing wrong with this is that when there are pockets of men who defy the trend and achieve more on average than women in some particular corner of the world of work, some feminists cry foul. Even as they quite sensibly attribute the success of women in the other fields to merit.

114 brookly red  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 12:28:08pm

re: #110 MandyManners

I'm outta' here. I spilled the griddle's full cup of bacon grease all over my legs and the kitchen floor between the island and the sink. My legs are clean now but it's gonna' take a while to scrub the floor.

can you borrow the neighbor's dog?

115 Decatur Deb  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 12:28:13pm

re: #111 steroid

It is not relevant to their business.

Could conceivably get them involved in a boycott, liability lawsuit, or criminal incitement charges.

116 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 12:28:21pm

re: #108 Dragon_Lady

*Waves Back* Hi Floral! Happy Sunday, having fun with your new compooter?

Not yet. Tech-tard. Have to install stuff.
ICK! But, it'll be great when done!
*waves back*

117 OldnGrumpy  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 12:28:21pm

re: #98 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

My friend, I think we'll need something strong. I'll go break out the Romulan Ale.

Romulan ale is a bit mild for my taste,I prefer the drink found at the restaraunt at the end of the universe,the infamous ...
"Pan Galactic Gargle Blaster (the most potent drink this side of the universe)"-Hitch-Hikers Guide to the Galaxy

118 Donna Ballard  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 12:28:27pm

re: #109 brookly red

/these things happen... I went to school with a Jewish guy who married a Navajo woman. To please his parents they gave their first born a Jewish name... Whitefish.

Boy, I'm glad that had a sarc tag attached. I'd hate to see any kid saddled with a name like that for real...

119 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 12:28:51pm

re: #92 MandyManners

UPDATE: Overwhelmed by the support and all those writing to paypal. They won't will. They think they have. What they don't know is, we have not yet begun to fight.

Huh?

Four sentences and not one of them grammatically correct.

120 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 12:29:22pm

re: #75 Cato the Elder

ΠΙΜΦ: By "he" I meant Eugene Terreblance.

(Whose very name is a political program - it means "White Earth".

I would translate that "White Country" not earth. Input?

121 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 12:29:53pm

re: #110 MandyManners

I'm outta' here. I spilled the griddle's full cup of bacon grease all over my legs and the kitchen floor between the island and the sink. My legs are clean now but it's gonna' take a while to scrub the floor.

I have an idea how we can make use of that...

122 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 12:29:57pm

re: #111 steroid

But I shall mark PayPal down a point myself for their decision. Not because I agree with Geller's opinions, but because I don't believe the company should discriminate on the basis of hate-opinion. It is not relevant to their business.

That's absurd. It absolutely is relevant to a company's business. Why do you think they have an acceptable use policy?

123 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 12:30:40pm

re: #111 steroid

Restaurants and theaters can have dress codes, sites like Pay Pal can have codes of speech and ethics. Those are independent of race, creed or color, and as long as they are applied consistently, I find them perfectly acceptable.

124 Targetpractice  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 12:31:17pm

re: #111 steroid

It is not relevant to their business.

It's totally relevant to their business. By doing business with hate sites, Paypal can be accused of condoning what is plastered on the site, if not agreeing with it. Which is why they have to make the conscious decision on whether or not they want to be associated with such sites.

125 Nimed  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 12:32:37pm

re: #92 MandyManners

UPDATE: Overwhelmed by the support and all those writing to paypal. They won't will. They think they have. What they don't know is, we have not yet begun to fight.

Huh?

PayPal almost always willed these cases. They're pretty used to willing, and they are counting on it. But this time they won't. No one wills Pam.

126 brookly red  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 12:32:42pm

re: #118 Dragon_Lady

Boy, I'm glad that had a sarc tag attached. I'd hate to see any kid saddled with a name like that for real...

The worst child name offenders ever was the Hyman family... they named their daughter Cherry Ann... Cherry Ann Hyman. No joke it's true. Poor kid.

127 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 12:32:59pm

re: #120 Walter L. Newton

I would translate that "White Country" not earth. Input?

"Terre" usually means 'earth' in all the senses it's used in English. (Planet, soil, ground) It can also have a sense of 'land'.

'Country', as a political unit, is 'pays'.

128 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 12:33:32pm

re: #127 SanFranciscoZionist

"Terre" usually means 'earth' in all the senses it's used in English. (Planet, soil, ground) It can also have a sense of 'land'.

'Country', as a political unit, is 'pays'.


As in "Angleterre" for England

129 Donna Ballard  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 12:33:46pm

re: #122 Charles

re: #123 ralphieboy

re: #124 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I agree with all of you. There's a reason business post the sign "We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone"

130 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 12:34:03pm

Savage Nation is having violent fantasies again. Some people just can't let go.

131 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 12:34:50pm

re: #126 brookly red

The worst child name offenders ever was the Hyman family... they named their daughter Cherry Ann... Cherry Ann Hyman. No joke it's true. Poor kid.


My Buddy Jeff Land, married a girl named Sue Dayton. She did not take a double surname. Shame, I would have loved to annex Sue Dayton-Land...

132 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 12:35:22pm

re: #130 Killgore Trout

Savage Nation is having violent fantasies again. Some people just can't let go.

Threatening to kill me again? Or kill someone else this time?

133 Donna Ballard  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 12:36:13pm

re: #126 brookly red

The worst child name offenders ever was the Hyman family... they named their daughter Cherry Ann... Cherry Ann Hyman. No joke it's true. Poor kid.

And I thought the name "Chandra Lear" was bad!
(sorry if the spelling is wrong)

134 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 12:36:15pm

A classic Onion article:

[Link: www.theonion.com...]

135 A Man for all Seasons  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 12:36:21pm

re: #130 Killgore Trout

Savage Nation is having violent fantasies again. Some people just can't let go.

He is ate up KT

136 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 12:36:54pm

re: #130 Killgore Trout

Savage Nation is having violent fantasies again. Some people just can't let go.

"Savagenation," of course, is Marc Thomas Donato.

137 Targetpractice  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 12:37:13pm

re: #129 Dragon_Lady

I agree with all of you. There's a reason business post the sign "We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone"

Precisely. Charles will probably be able to correct me, but with most services like Paypal, when you sign the agreement (in ink or electronically), you agree to follow their rules, under the understanding that failure to do so gives them the authority to cut your service. And that with items like Paypal, refusal to comply can be grounds for legal action.

138 Decatur Deb  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 12:37:40pm

re: #131 ralphieboy

That took me a while.

139 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 12:37:48pm

re: #136 Charles

"Savagenation," of course is Marc Thomas Donato.

LOL! And his link to his own blog is out of date!

140 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 12:38:05pm

re: #132 Charles

Threatening to kill me again? Or kill someone else this time?

No, just you for now.

141 brookly red  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 12:38:09pm

re: #130 Killgore Trout

Savage Nation is having violent fantasies again. Some people just can't let go.

/ I have this reoccurring dream where he is savaged by a pack of mutant poodles...

142 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 12:39:02pm

re: #138 Decatur Deb

That took me a while.

Or she could change her name to Anne X. Ation...

143 OldnGrumpy  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 12:39:29pm

re: #134 ralphieboy

A classic Onion article:

[Link: www.theonion.com...]

That is ridiculous,no shirt,no shoes- no service is a health/hygiene issue

144 Donna Ballard  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 12:40:38pm

re: #137 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Precisely. Charles will probably be able to correct me, but with most services like Paypal, when you sign the agreement (in ink or electronically), you agree to follow their rules, under the understanding that failure to do so gives them the authority to cut your service. And that with items like Paypal, refusal to comply can be grounds for legal action.

I hate to say this, and I'm as guilty of it as most, but most people don't take the time to stop and really read those disclaimers before they sign up for the service.

145 brookly red  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 12:40:45pm

re: #143 OldnGrumpy

That is ridiculous,no shirt,no shoes- no service is a health/hygiene issue

then please explain topless bars?

146 Decatur Deb  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 12:41:09pm

re: #143 OldnGrumpy

That is ridiculous,no shirt,no shoes- no service is a health/hygiene issue

Outrageous anti-mermaid bias.

147 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 12:42:04pm

re: #143 OldnGrumpy

That is ridiculous,no shirt,no shoes- no service is a health/hygiene issue


I have been living in Germany over 20 years and have never encountered a similar sign. Must be a cultural and climatic thing.

148 Decatur Deb  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 12:43:05pm

re: #147 ralphieboy

I have been living in Germany over 20 years and have never encountered a similar sign. Must be a cultural and climatic thing.

No parka, no mukluks, no blubber.

149 OldnGrumpy  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 12:43:40pm

re: #145 brookly red

then please explain topless bars?

Do they serve food at a topless bar?

I was never interested in food whenever I was there so I never noticed.

150 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 12:43:55pm

re: #148 Decatur Deb

No parka, no mukluks, no blubber.


At the Vatican: No shoes, no shirt, no divine service.

151 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 12:45:07pm

re: #150 ralphieboy

At the Vatican: No shoes, no shirt, no divine service.

"Of course you can pray in blue jeans. You just can't pray here in blue jeans."

152 brookly red  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 12:45:09pm

re: #146 Decatur Deb

Outrageous anti-mermaid bias.

oh, there is a group of some 60 or so "performers" in my hood that go out every Saturday in the warm weather & practice synchronized dance-marching for the annual Coney Island Mermaid Parade... quite a sight.

153 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 12:45:31pm

re: #127 SanFranciscoZionist

"Terre" usually means 'earth' in all the senses it's used in English. (Planet, soil, ground) It can also have a sense of 'land'.

'Country', as a political unit, is 'pays'.

That's right... I forgot my French for a moment... potato... pomme de terre

154 bratwurst  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 12:45:34pm

re: #145 brookly red

then please explain topless bars?

If you don't get topless bars, there is no explaining it to you, I fear.

155 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 12:45:59pm

re: #152 brookly red

oh, there is a group of some 60 or so "performers" in my hood that go out every Saturday in the warm weather & practice synchronized dance-marching for the annual Coney Island Mermaid Parade... quite a sight.

Especially since they live in "Queens"

156 brookly red  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 12:46:12pm

re: #149 OldnGrumpy

Do they serve food at a topless bar?

I was never interested in food whenever I was there so I never noticed.

they have been know to sell a slice or two...

157 brookly red  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 12:47:08pm

re: #155 Walter L. Newton

Especially since they live in "Queens"

look dude the Jersey mermaids are really scary...

158 Decatur Deb  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 12:47:14pm

re: #152 brookly red

Did I see that Luna Park is back? (That's the phrase in N. Italy to refer to all amusement parks.)

159 brookly red  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 12:47:55pm

re: #151 SanFranciscoZionist

"Of course you can pray in blue jeans. You just can't pray here in blue jeans."

yes you can... just cover your head.

160 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 12:48:18pm

re: #151 SanFranciscoZionist

"Of course you can pray in blue jeans. You just can't pray here in blue jeans."


Actually, I did hear from a young lady who was turned away from the Sistine chapel for bare legs: women were expected to wear long skirts or slacks. She says she was allowed in after she had tied her jacket about her waist and draped it about her legs.

161 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 12:48:31pm

I just scrolled through the comments over at Crazy Pam's. They're in a frenzy because one of them talked to customer support and the person had a Muslim sounding name. It's probably a call center in India.

162 steroid  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 12:49:16pm

re: #123 ralphieboy

Sure, but those are there for sanitary reasons. That's what I mean by relevance. A newspaper or a university--some business that deals with ideas--might have good reason to decline to do business with an unreasoning hatemonger, but a money company does not.

re: #124 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

If it's merely a question of reputation, then PayPal is damned if they do or don't. If they specifically allow a hate site to use them, they risk loss of business from non-haters. If they specifically deny hate sites from using them, they risk loss of business from both haters and folks like me who don't like that particular form of discrimination. I think the best thing to do is to keep quiet and maintain whatever policy you have on the down-low, so people won't know or pay attention to your politics.

163 brookly red  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 12:49:17pm

re: #158 Decatur Deb

Did I see that Luna Park is back? (That's the phrase in N. Italy to refer to all amusement parks.)

yes... I have not gone yet but there is $$ flowing into CI... Cyclone Stadium is pretty cool btw.

164 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 12:49:34pm

Another comment on Pam's site....

This is just the beginning of the NWO plan to shut down the voices on the internet. Lieberman of all people has proposed this bill to allow our president through an executive order to take down the internet either parts of it or all of it. Pretty soon we will all be blind like those on the internet in China.


lol

165 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 12:50:19pm

re: #161 Killgore Trout

I just scrolled through the comments over at Crazy Pam's. They're in a frenzy because one of them talked to customer support and the person had a Muslim sounding name. It's probably a call center in India.

If it's call center in India, the support person would have been named 'Harold'. They all pick these extremely Anglo-sounding names to use online.

I spent three hours on the phone once with a lovely young man who told me his name was 'Constantine'. I sort of felt that after hour two it might have been reasonable for him to confess to being Ranjit, so we could be on a more honest first-name basis.

166 bratwurst  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 12:50:29pm

re: #164 Killgore Trout

Anyone referencing the impending return of the Fairness Doctrine yet?

167 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 12:50:59pm

re: #161 Killgore Trout

I just scrolled through the comments over at Crazy Pam's. They're in a frenzy because one of them talked to customer support and the person had a Muslim sounding name. It's probably a call center in India.

So, basically, the Muslims have taken over PayPal?

Hoooowwwlll.

168 Donna Ballard  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 12:51:06pm

BIAB, one of my furry boss (aka Peanut) is demanding I do my job and pay attention to her. *sigh*

169 Decatur Deb  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 12:51:10pm

re: #163 brookly red

Great--Coney Island was really sad in the 70's and 80's.

170 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 12:51:27pm

re: #158 Decatur Deb

Did I see that Luna Park is back? (That's the phrase in N. Italy to refer to all amusement parks.)

And it was one of the early "enclosed" amusement parks in Coney Island early last century... they are resurrecting the name.

171 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 12:52:23pm

re: #162 steroid

Sure, but those are there for sanitary reasons. That's what I mean by relevance. A newspaper or a university--some business that deals with ideas--might have good reason to decline to do business with an unreasoning hatemonger, but a money company does not.

re: #124 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

If it's merely a question of reputation, then PayPal is damned if they do or don't. If they specifically allow a hate site to use them, they risk loss of business from non-haters. If they specifically deny hate sites from using them, they risk loss of business from both haters and folks like me who don't like that particular form of discrimination. I think the best thing to do is to keep quiet and maintain whatever policy you have on the down-low, so people won't know or pay attention to your politics.


A dress code in the sense of a jacket requirement has nothing to do with hygiene, it is just a standard that an establishment can set for its customers. A restaurant might wish to establish a reputation for a certain level of elegance. But these standards cannot be based on race, gender or religious affiliation. That is the point here.

Perhaps Pay pal also wants to establish a reputation for not dealing with hatemongers.

172 brookly red  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 12:52:33pm

re: #165 SanFranciscoZionist

If it's call center in India, the support person would have been named 'Harold'. They all pick these extremely Anglo-sounding names to use online.

I spent three hours on the phone once with a lovely young man who told me his name was 'Constantine'. I sort of felt that after hour two it might have been reasonable for him to confess to being Ranjit, so we could be on a more honest first-name basis.

my neighbor, Bathwannie loves to call the Citibank customer service line and scream on them... she should sell tickets.

173 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 12:52:46pm

re: #169 Decatur Deb

Great--Coney Island was really sad in the 70's and 80's.

Original Luna Park Brooklyn

[Link: www.flickr.com...]

174 Decatur Deb  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 12:53:15pm

re: #170 Walter L. Newton

Yeah--Luna Park was gone when I was there, but I did get to the last of Palisades Park. Kennywood rules.

175 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 12:53:18pm

re: #126 brookly red

The worst child name offenders ever was the Hyman family... they named their daughter Cherry Ann... Cherry Ann Hyman. No joke it's true. Poor kid.

did they name her brother "Buster?"

176 brookly red  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 12:53:25pm

re: #169 Decatur Deb

Great--Coney Island was really sad in the 70's and 80's.

Money changes everything.

177 brookly red  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 12:54:06pm

re: #175 _RememberTonyC

did they name her brother "Buster?"

Ack! I don't know... the jerks may just have.

178 allegro  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 12:54:12pm

re: #162 steroid

If they specifically deny hate sites from using them, they risk loss of business from both haters and folks like me who don't like that particular form of discrimination.

Considering the increasing virulence of hate speech and action, I applaud PayPal and think it's high time that someone is standing up and saying NO MORE and that they will not be a party to it and profit from it in any way. Good for them.

179 Targetpractice  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 12:54:37pm

re: #162 steroid

If it's merely a question of reputation, then PayPal is damned if they do or don't. If they specifically allow a hate site to use them, they risk loss of business from non-haters. If they specifically deny hate sites from using them, they risk loss of business from both haters and folks like me who don't like that particular form of discrimination. I think the best thing to do is to keep quiet and maintain whatever policy you have on the down-low, so people won't know or pay attention to your politics.

I think they consider the financial cost of being "boycotted" by haters and their fellow travelers to be less than the cost of practicing a "see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil" policy. Businesses live and die by their reputations and, one sullied, are often very hard to scrub clean. Assuming that BP doesn't crash into bankruptcy as a result of the spill in the Gulf, it'll probably never live it down.

Paypal is a business, it provides a service, and it maintains the power to cut off that service if its Terms of Service are violated. If you don't like that, then that's your prerogative.

180 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 12:54:49pm

re: #177 brookly red

Ack! I don't know... the jerks may just have.

I work with a guy whose name is Mike Colangelo ... for real.

181 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 12:56:23pm

re: #169 Decatur Deb

Great--Coney Island was really sad in the 70's and 80's.

It was really great in the 50's-60's... we use to sneak onto the subway so we could keep our carfare to ride 2 or 3 rides... we use to go get the ride operators their lunch at Nathans or something in exchange for a free ride.

I remember riding my bicycle from Bay Ridge to Coney Island one summer day because my parent told me to stop riding the subway to Coney Island every other day...

We use to fish for coins in the ventilation grates to get a few cents to use at Coney...

Flood of memories...

182 allegro  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 12:56:44pm

re: #180 _RememberTonyC

I work with a guy whose name is Mike Colangelo ... for real.

We had a neighbor whose last name was Sicola. We all called him Pep. :)

183 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 12:58:21pm

re: #182 allegro

We had a neighbor whose last name was Sicola. We all called him Pep. :)

We had some families in Brooklyn named Bonanno... that's were I learned not to sit in a restaurant with my back to the door.

184 Donna Ballard  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 12:58:21pm

re: #180 _RememberTonyC

I work with a guy whose name is Mike Colangelo ... for real.

I got it! (finally!) That took me a while to get. Told you I'm still tired form the party preps!

185 CuriousLurker  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 12:58:22pm

re: #181 Walter L. Newton

I love Brooklyn. I wish I could afford to live there. *sigh*

186 brookly red  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 12:58:41pm

re: #180 _RememberTonyC

I work with a guy whose name is Mike Colangelo ... for real.

and there really is a guy named Salvidor Monilla too...

There is a common Chinese last name of Fok... you can guess the rest.

187 cliffster  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 12:59:04pm

re: #180 _RememberTonyC

I work with a guy whose name is Mike Colangelo ... for real.

mike cox. "why don't you go by Michael?" I ask

188 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 12:59:16pm

re: #185 CuriousLurker

I love Brooklyn. I wish I could afford to live there. *sigh*

I lived there from 1952 to 1964, and still had family there until about 1982.

189 brookly red  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 12:59:35pm

re: #183 Walter L. Newton

We had some families in Brooklyn named Bonanno... that's were I learned not to sit in a restaurant with my back to the door.

it's OK if you don't get the clams...

190 brookly red  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 1:00:25pm

re: #185 CuriousLurker

I love Brooklyn. I wish I could afford to live there. *sigh*

hey talk to me... some neighborhoods are really affordable.

191 CuriousLurker  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 1:00:34pm

re: #173 Walter L. Newton

Original Luna Park Brooklyn

[Link: www.flickr.com...]

Uh-oh. There are crescent moons all over the facade of their building. We all know what that means... *eyeroll*

192 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 1:01:39pm

re: #191 CuriousLurker

Uh-oh. There are crescent moons all over the facade of their building. We all know what that means... *eyeroll*

Obama had already started taking over back then?

193 Decatur Deb  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 1:01:44pm

re: #183 Walter L. Newton

re: #189 brookly red

To this day, I do not tell my Bonanno story.

194 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 1:01:45pm

re: #189 brookly red

it's OK if you don't get the clams...

? If that's a reference to the Godfather movies or Soprano's, never say any of them... I dealt with enough fear of the mob stuff when I was growing up... I don't get any entertainment watching stories about them... my dad dealt with neighborhood level characters for certain consumer good and his brother, my uncle, actually worked for them... like a real job... no, not interested as entertainment.

195 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 1:02:13pm

re: #193 Decatur Deb

re: #189 brookly red

To this day, I do not tell my Bonanno story.

Do we know each other :)

196 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 1:02:23pm

re: #186 brookly red

and there really is a guy named Salvidor Monilla too...

There is a common Chinese last name of Fok... you can guess the rest.


My boss had a Chinese client named Harry Dong.

197 brookly red  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 1:02:41pm

re: #193 Decatur Deb

re: #189 brookly red

To this day, I do not tell my Bonanno story.

you are an honorable man...

198 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 1:03:14pm

re: #197 brookly red

you are an honorable man...


uno uomo di rispitto

199 Decatur Deb  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 1:03:23pm

re: #197 brookly red

I know how to take advice.

200 brookly red  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 1:03:56pm

re: #194 Walter L. Newton

? If that's a reference to the Godfather movies or Soprano's, never say any of them... I dealt with enough fear of the mob stuff when I was growing up... I don't get any entertainment watching stories about them... my dad dealt with neighborhood level characters for certain consumer good and his brother, my uncle, actually worked for them... like a real job... no, not interested as entertainment.

no he was eating the clams at the time... no movie.

201 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 1:04:23pm

re: #200 brookly red

no he was eating the clams at the time... no movie.

You mean Joe?

202 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 1:04:26pm

re: #199 Decatur Deb

I know how to take advice.


and how to accept an offer

203 CuriousLurker  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 1:05:03pm

re: #192 ralphieboy

Obama had already started taking over back then?

LOL, yeah, apparently his evil powers are so formidable that he can time travel.

204 Donna Ballard  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 1:05:19pm

Gotta go, see you all later. Keep Laughing Everyone!

205 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 1:05:32pm

re: #165 SanFranciscoZionist

If it's call center in India, the support person would have been named 'Harold'. They all pick these extremely Anglo-sounding names to use online.

I spent three hours on the phone once with a lovely young man who told me his name was 'Constantine'. I sort of felt that after hour two it might have been reasonable for him to confess to being Ranjit, so we could be on a more honest first-name basis.

It's not uncommon for Christians in India to adopt Western sounding names. Hindus and Muslims do it too. They still retain an odd admiration for British culture.

206 brookly red  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 1:05:33pm

re: #196 ralphieboy

My boss had a Chinese client named Harry Dong.

re: #201 Walter L. Newton

You mean Joe?

the combo. Cherrystones & little necks. yes Joe.

207 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 1:05:43pm

re: #203 CuriousLurker

LOL, yeah, apparently his evil powers are so formidable that he can time travel.


Yes, a veritable Fu Manchu-rian candidate.

208 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 1:05:56pm

re: #167 SanFranciscoZionist

So, basically, the Muslims have taken over PayPal?

Hooowwwlll.

Just like the Muslims took over Dell! hahahaha

209 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 1:06:46pm

re: #193 Decatur Deb

re: #189 brookly red

To this day, I do not tell my Bonanno story.


I'm currently in Boston for the NBA Finals. The TD Garden is a few blocks from the Italian North End. Last night we went to a spaghetti place on Hanover Street. The North End on Saturday night is a trip. Lotsa girls looking like Snookie from Jersey Shore. The food was fantastic and I felt like I was walking through the set of "The Departed."

I'll be back in the studio Tuesday when the series goes back to LA and hope to join "youze guys" for a bit of chatting during the game.

210 brookly red  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 1:08:02pm

re: #209 _RememberTonyC

I'm currently in Boston for the NBA Finals. The TD Garden is a few blocks from the Italian North End. Last night we went to a spaghetti place on Hanover Street. The North End on Saturday night is a trip. Lotsa girls looking like Snookie from Jersey Shore. The food was fantastic and I felt like I was walking through the set of "The Departed."

I'll be back in the studio Tuesday when the series goes back to LA and hope to join "youze guys" for a bit of chatting during the game.

they can make a pretty good pizza in the north side.

211 Nekama  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 1:08:36pm

The nutters on the left deserve equal time.

10-20 sounds about right.

Charles, seriously, why not look at the insanity on the left? After all they're the party in power now.

212 Decatur Deb  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 1:08:41pm

re: #210 brookly red

they can make a pretty good pizza in the north side.

Lotsa pineapple.

213 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 1:09:01pm

re: #210 brookly red

they can make a pretty good pizza in the north side.

oh hell yeah. we ordered a cheese pizza for the table as an appetizer and it was basic: hot, thin crusted, and delicious.

214 brookly red  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 1:09:19pm

re: #212 Decatur Deb

Lotsa pineapple.

wise guy

215 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 1:10:27pm

re: #211 Nekama

The nutters on the left deserve equal time.

10-20 sounds about right.

Charles, seriously, why not look at the insanity on the left? After all they're the party in power now.

I looked at that web site... that's a democrat or progressive web site?

216 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 1:10:45pm

re: #214 brookly red

wise guy

the biggest line I saw all night was outside a place called the "Modern Bakery." I heard they make a pretty good cannoli.

217 Cato the Elder  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 1:11:09pm

re: #185 CuriousLurker

I love Brooklyn. I wish I could afford to live there. *sigh*

Where do you currently reside (outside of Pam Geller's head)?

218 brookly red  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 1:12:41pm

re: #213 _RememberTonyC

oh hell yeah. we ordered a cheese pizza for the table as an appetizer and it was basic: hot, thin crusted, and delicious.

skippy. for a large group pizza makes a swell appetizer. If you get a place that makes the grand pa pie & cuts into bite sized pieces you know you are in for a special meal.

219 CuriousLurker  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 1:12:58pm

re: #212 Decatur Deb

Lotsa pineapple.

Blasphemy! I'm issuing a fatwa right here & now: No. Pineapple. On. Pizza. Ever.

;o)

re: #213 _RememberTonyC

oh hell yeah. we ordered a cheese pizza for the table as an appetizer and it was basic: hot, thin crusted, and delicious.

Stop with the pizza talk already. *wipes drool from chin*

220 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 1:13:09pm

re: #211 Nekama

The international solidarity movement hasn't been elected to anything. Pay Pal shouldn't be forced to service neo nazis if they don't want to.

221 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 1:15:40pm

re: #219 CuriousLurker

Stop with the pizza talk already. *wipes drool from chin*

Glen Davis did the same thing the other night in game 4 ...

[Link: blogs.suntimes.com...]

222 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 1:16:06pm

re: #211 Nekama

The nutters on the left deserve equal time.

10-20 sounds about right.

Charles, seriously, why not look at the insanity on the left? After all they're the party in power now.

The ones in power are not insane.

But whatever *rolls eyes*

223 CuriousLurker  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 1:16:16pm

re: #217 Cato the Elder

Where do you currently reside (outside of Pam Geller's head)?

Jersey, just west of Newark. I miss NYC terribly. I'm not that far away, but still.

224 brookly red  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 1:16:28pm

re: #219 CuriousLurker

Stop with the pizza talk already. *wipes drool from chin*

I am having a pie tonight... I am feeling spinach, onion, & black olives with a dusting of sharp Romano... yes that will do just fine.

225 Cato the Elder  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 1:17:09pm

re: #211 Nekama

The nutters on the left deserve equal time.

10-20 sounds about right.

Charles, seriously, why not look at the insanity on the left post things that I approve of? After all, they're the party in power now I hate the left, not the right.

FTFY.

Charles is an equal-opportunity mocker of insanity.

226 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 1:18:08pm

re: #132 Charles

Threatening to kill me again? Or kill someone else this time?

Savage posted a clip of bikers getting beaten up by a group of Sicilians and thrown out of a bar. Not a direct threat but still ugly and violent.

Stalker thread title: Don't mess with the Sicilians.

Caption: Especially if you are a scumbag with a ponytail like chuckie.

Savage proves once again that he is a rotten rage boy.

227 Cato the Elder  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 1:18:21pm

re: #223 CuriousLurker

Jersey, just west of Newark. I miss NYC terribly. I'm not that far away, but still.

That means you're close enough to Baltimore to come down and eat haram crabs with me sometime!

228 Decatur Deb  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 1:18:36pm

re: #223 CuriousLurker

Jersey, just west of Newark. I miss NYC terribly. I'm not that far away, but still.

I did a couple tours at Picatinny, lived in McAfee. Walter did spent some time in Jersey, too.

229 brookly red  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 1:19:05pm

re: #223 CuriousLurker

Jersey, just west of Newark. I miss NYC terribly. I'm not that far away, but still.

I got a gf in Bloomfield that is dying out there... she is from 5 corners Bronx & can't cope...

PS. Pappa Johns sucks dead dogs.

230 CuriousLurker  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 1:19:17pm

re: #224 brookly red

I am having a pie tonight... I am feeling spinach, onion, & black olives with a dusting of sharp Romano... yes that will do just fine.

You are a cruel, cruel person. *whimpers*

231 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 1:19:44pm

re: #220 Killgore Trout

The international solidarity movement hasn't been elected to anything. Pay Pal shouldn't be forced to service neo nazis if they don't want to.

Well, Paypal should apply its standards evenly. The ISM is [ro-terror in its actions and should be booted as well.

232 brookly red  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 1:20:30pm

re: #227 Cato the Elder

That means you're close enough to Baltimore to come down and eat haram crabs with me sometime!

crabs? f'en A... it is soft shell season no?

233 CuriousLurker  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 1:20:54pm

re: #227 Cato the Elder

That means you're close enough to Baltimore to come down and eat haram crabs with me sometime!

I'm deadly allergic to shellfish, but if I ever get down your way I'll definitely look you up.

234 Nekama  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 1:21:07pm

re: #220 Killgore Trout

The international solidarity movement hasn't been elected to anything. Pay Pal shouldn't be forced to service neo nazis if they don't want to.

I don't understand your point. What's Geller been elected to? And I'm not saying Pay Pal should be forced to do business with her or anyone else.

My point, if it wasn't clear enough, is:

A) There are plenty of leftist sites that use Pay Pal.

B) IMHO, there doesnt appear to be similar focus on the left's insanity. I don't recall seeing Zombie's (just one example) hitshows recently.

235 brookly red  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 1:22:00pm

re: #230 CuriousLurker

You are a cruel, cruel person. *whimpers*

you can get a good pie in Jersey City or outer Hoboken too...

236 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 1:23:46pm

re: #231 Dark_Falcon

Well, Paypal should apply its standards evenly. The ISM is [ro-terror in its actions and should be booted as well.

Paypal doesn't take political stands. This isn't a "THEY DID IT TOO" thing. Paypal is a mainstream payment processor. They're trying to prevent direct association with hatred. They're basically trying to make sure that neo-nazis and Fred Phelps types and the KKK and whatever aren't using their service.

Pamela Gellar is directly promoting racism and hatred, it's obvious on the front page. You read her blog, it's transparent incitement and racism. That violates Paypal's TOS. Whatever you think about the ISM, with a cursory glance, I don't see any objectionable racist content that violates their TOS on their front page..

237 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 1:23:46pm

re: #234 Nekama

I don't understand your point. What's Geller been elected to? And I'm not saying Pay Pal should be forced to do business with her or anyone else.

My point, if it wasn't clear enough, is:

A) There are plenty of leftist sites that use Pay Pal.

B) IMHO, there doesnt appear to be similar focus on the left's insanity. I don't recall seeing Zombie's (just one example) hitshows recently.

Let me explain the bolded point: Zombie got banned. He or she used a sockpuppet to play up her site and generate fake buzz for it. That's a major no-no of course, and Charles pitched Zombie out for it.

238 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 1:24:12pm

re: #234 Nekama

I don't understand your point. What's Geller been elected to? And I'm not saying Pay Pal should be forced to do business with her or anyone else.

My point, if it wasn't clear enough, is:

A) There are plenty of leftist sites that use Pay Pal.

B) IMHO, there doesnt appear to be similar focus on the left's insanity. I don't recall seeing Zombie's (just one example) hitshows recently.

Zombie is a bigoted slimebag.

239 CuriousLurker  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 1:25:50pm

re: #229 brookly red

I got a gf in Bloomfield that is dying out there... she is from 5 corners Bronx & can't cope...

PS. Pappa Johns sucks dead dogs.

I wouldn't touch Papa John's pizza with Pam Geller's lips. The only place I've ever had pizza that could compare to NYC was at a place called Romano's in Jersey City—they have these HUGE 24" pizzas that are to die for.

240 Nekama  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 1:26:03pm

re: #237 Dark_Falcon

Zombie got banned.

Thanks. I didn't know that.

241 Cato the Elder  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 1:26:16pm

Nekama grows tiresome. He should go reforge his hammer.

242 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 1:26:26pm

re: #236 WindUpBird

Paypal doesn't take political stands. This isn't a "THEY DID IT TOO" thing. Paypal is a mainstream payment processor. They're trying to prevent direct association with hatred. They're basically trying to make sure that neo-nazis and Fred Phelps types and the KKK and whatever aren't using their service.

Pamela Gellar is directly promoting racism and hatred, it's obvious on the front page. You read her blog, it's transparent incitement and racism. That violates Paypal's TOS. Whatever you think about the ISM, with a cursory glance, I don't see any objectionable racist content that violates their TOS on their front page..

And I approve of Geller getting the gate from them. I just want them to thoroughly clear house and remove the rest of the haters. I approve of this action by them and will still approve even if no lefties are removed. Is that acceptable to you, WUB?

243 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 1:26:33pm

re: #234 Nekama

also, if you are comparing "leftist site X" with Pamela Gellar's obvious racism and hate speech, you're not thinking critically, you're just being a partisan. Find me where truth-out violates Paypal's TOS.

244 brookly red  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 1:28:23pm

re: #239 CuriousLurker

I wouldn't touch Papa John's pizza with Pam Geller's lips. The only place I've ever had pizza that could compare to NYC was at a place called Romano's in Jersey City—they have these HUGE 24" pizzas that are to die for.

seek and you shall find... there is good pizza in NJ. Try going up Bergen line.

245 allegro  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 1:28:28pm

re: #231 Dark_Falcon

Well, Paypal should apply its standards evenly. The ISM is [ro-terror in its actions and should be booted as well.

I know nothing about the organization's actions. Just looking at a few things on this particular site, I see nothing "hate speech" about it. It stresses non-violent, unarmed resistance to policies it disagrees with along with news items supporting that disagreement. There are no comments enabled.

246 Cato the Elder  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 1:30:40pm

re: #245 allegro

I know nothing about the organization's actions. Just looking at a few things on this particular site, I see nothing "hate speech" about it. It stresses non-violent, unarmed resistance to policies it disagrees with along with news items supporting that disagreement. There are no comments enabled.

The ISM has supported suicide terrorists in the past. They should be given the PayPal boot as well.

247 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 1:30:55pm

re: #242 Dark_Falcon

And I approve of Geller getting the gate from them. I just want them to thoroughly clear house and remove the rest of the haters. I approve of this action by them and will still approve even if no lefties are removed. Is that acceptable to you, WUB?

I approve of their TOS! Seems pretty cut and dried to me, no hate speech. If there's an anti-Israel group that's slinging slurs and talking about blood libel and such on theirpage, absolutely they should be cut off. It's not politics per se, it's just the company's TOS.

This is the internet, where sites go up and down in moments, Paypal is processing untold amounts of money each day, they're essentially the entire payment backend for Ebay. They're not going to split hairs, they're just going to shut down obvious violations.

248 cliffster  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 1:31:19pm

re: #234 Nekama

I don't understand your point. What's Geller been elected to? And I'm not saying Pay Pal should be forced to do business with her or anyone else.

My point, if it wasn't clear enough, is:

A) There are plenty of leftist sites that use Pay Pal.

B) IMHO, there doesnt appear to be similar focus on the left's insanity. I don't recall seeing Zombie's (just one example) hitshows recently.

The Geller thing is about inciting violence and hatred, not about being right or left. Pay Pal isn't dinging Geller for being political.

249 Nimed  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 1:31:47pm

re: #224 brookly red

I am having a pie tonight... I am feeling spinach, onion, & black olives with a dusting of sharp Romano... yes that will do just fine.

Upding for an excellent choice of toppings

250 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 1:32:06pm

re: #234 Nekama

I don't understand your point. What's Geller been elected to? And I'm not saying Pay Pal should be forced to do business with her or anyone else.

My point, if it wasn't clear enough, is:

A) There are plenty of leftist sites that use Pay Pal.

B) IMHO, there doesnt appear to be similar focus on the left's insanity. I don't recall seeing Zombie's (just one example) hitshows recently.

So go ahead and complain to PayPal about those sites. That's your right. Clearly someone (not me) complained to PayPal about Geller's site, and it was probably more than one person. There are LOTS of ways that she violates their terms, not just her anti-Muslim hate speech.

Because they're enforcing their acceptable use policy in one case does not mean they are now retroactively required to go boot out some equivalent leftist or pro-Islamic site. That's a pretty silly argument.

251 philosophus invidius  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 1:32:18pm

To me, Revolution Muslim is worse than Atlas Shrugs.

252 brookly red  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 1:32:48pm

re: #246 Cato the Elder

The ISM has supported suicide terrorists in the past. They should be given the PayPal boot as well.

true they do suck, but I still have an issue with giving that kind of power to pay pal. I mean who the fuck are they?

253 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 1:33:03pm

re: #234 Nekama

I don't understand your point. What's Geller been elected to? And I'm not saying Pay Pal should be forced to do business with her or anyone else.

My point, if it wasn't clear enough, is:

A) There are plenty of leftist sites that use Pay Pal.

B) IMHO, there doesnt appear to be similar focus on the left's insanity. I don't recall seeing Zombie's (just one example) hitshows recently.

Why should Crazy Pam get a free pass from us? She supports European Neo Nazis. If Pay Pal decided to decline service to the vile creeps at the ISM I'd cheer that as well. I'm not going to go out of my way to make that happen because it's their decision.

BTW, you mentioned yesterday that you didn't see that the influence of Ron Paul, Alex Jones and the Birch society on the right as a significant problem. Here's a comment on Pam's site....

This is just the beginning of the NWO plan to shut down the voices on the internet. Lieberman of all people has proposed this bill to allow our president through an executive order to take down the internet either parts of it or all of it. Pretty soon we will all be blind like those on the internet in China.


This is a perfect example. The New World Order conspiracies are about secret plots from communist Jewish Bankers who secretly rule the world. This is straight up antisemitism. If you research that story you'll find that it came directly from antisemite Alex Jones. This is support for Israel? Neonazis and antisemites? Does Israel really want the support of these people?

254 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 1:33:16pm

re: #245 allegro

I know nothing about the organization's actions. Just looking at a few things on this particular site, I see nothing "hate speech" about it. It stresses non-violent, unarmed resistance to policies it disagrees with along with news items supporting that disagreement. There are no comments enabled.

It accuses Israel of "apartheid" while never mentioning the acts of Islamist Terror that force Israel to take defensive measures. They also have provided cover for Hamas and other Islamist organizations to smuggle weapons into Gaza (indeed Rachel Corrie was killed while providing such cover). Their constant drumbeat of vitriol aimed at Israel is the behavior of a hate group. Even if they themselves do not kill, they protect and shill for those that do.

255 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 1:33:25pm

re: #246 Cato the Elder

The ISM has supported suicide terrorists in the past. They should be given the PayPal boot as well.

Well, if you report them, maybe Paypal will boot them, but I don't see a violation of paypal's TOS. We're not talking about associations, we're talking about HTML. Obvious stuff. is the HTML code of the paypal button on the same HTML page as obvious hate speech? As in, typed into the page as code that you can see by clicking "source"? if not, then Paypal probably doesn't care.

256 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 1:34:52pm

re: #254 Dark_Falcon

So go ahead and file a complaint with PayPal about them, if you think it's appropriate.

257 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 1:36:01pm

re: #252 brookly red

true they do suck, but I still have an issue with giving that kind of power to pay pal. I mean who the fuck are they?

They have the power to run their own business. It's entirely legitimate for them to set terms for what sort of sites they are willing to do business with. Geller agreed to those terms when she signed up, only to violate them. Paypal isn't doing anything wrong, Brookly.

258 Cato the Elder  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 1:36:31pm

re: #252 brookly red

true they do suck, but I still have an issue with giving that kind of power to pay pal. I mean who the fuck are they?

What kind of "power"?

They have no power to censor.

They do have the power, and the absolute right, to choose the people with whom they do business based on their published terms of service.

259 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 1:36:38pm

re: #252 brookly red

true they do suck, but I still have an issue with giving that kind of power to pay pal. I mean who the fuck are they?


They're a payment processor. They have the power to have a TOS. Just like any company that does business on the web has a TOS. Ebay has the right to kick your ebay listing to the curb. paypal ahs the right to cancel the account of someone advocating hate speech. Etsy has the right, redbubble has the right, cafepress has the right, Lulu has the right, etc etc etc etc etc

Nobody's holding a gun to the Harpy's empty head and saying she has to have a paypal donation button on her site.

260 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 1:37:30pm

re: #256 Charles

So go ahead and file a complaint with PayPal about them, if you think it's appropriate.

Point taken. That's a fair course of action to propose.

261 cliffster  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 1:37:39pm

good grief, do the people over there just sit around thinking about how much they hate charles, all day every day?

262 brookly red  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 1:37:51pm

So when did paypal become like a gubermint agency? I don't remember voting on this... what is next the Master Card inquisition?

263 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 1:38:21pm

re: #261 cliffster

Yes.

264 Cato the Elder  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 1:39:05pm

It's always astonishing to see how many ways people can find of missing the point.

265 brookly red  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 1:40:47pm

re: #257 Dark_Falcon

re: #258 Cato the Elder

re: #259 WindUpBird

/congratulations you are now libertarians :)

266 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 1:40:58pm

re: #262 brookly red

So when did paypal become like a gubermint agency? I don't remember voting on this... what is next the Master Card inquisition?

What are you talking about?

Would a colo who found out that some of the servers they were hosting belonged to Stormfront, that they were essentially deliverting Stormfront's web traffic, are you going to object if they canceled Stormfront's account? Because as a business, they don't want their name on a hate site?


In case you don't know what a colo is: [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

I mean, I'm sorta wondering if you're being serious or not, because jesus. This isn't hard stuff here.

267 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 1:41:32pm

re: #265 brookly red

re: #258 Cato the Elder

re: #259 WindUpBird

/congratulations you are now libertarians :)

???

Only libertarians believe a company should have a Terms of Service?

This conversation is retarded.

268 Targetpractice  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 1:41:45pm

re: #264 Cato the Elder

It's always astonishing to see how many ways people can find of missing the point.

Agreed. There is nothing political about this, no support of "Left" over "Right" or vice versa. This is about a woman who has been using her site to incite and promote violence getting her Paypal service cut.

269 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 1:41:51pm

re: #185 CuriousLurker

I love Brooklyn. I wish I could afford to live there. *sigh*

I hate Brooklyn. I wish my kids didn't live there.

270 brookly red  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 1:42:55pm

re: #269 Alouette

I hate Brooklyn. I wish my kids didn't live there.

/we don't need you... we have your children.

271 Cato the Elder  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 1:43:08pm

re: #266 WindUpBird

I always thought a colo was a shortened colon: guess I was wrong.

272 CuriousLurker  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 1:43:09pm

re: #269 Alouette

I hate Brooklyn. I wish my kids didn't live there.

Why??

273 Nekama  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 1:43:13pm

re: #250 Charles

Because they're enforcing their acceptable use policy in one case does not mean they are now retroactively required to go boot out some equivalent leftist or pro-Islamic site. That's a pretty silly argument.

I'm not advocating that Pay Pal do anything. Just making an observation that they facilitate payment to other sites that may be similarly objectionable.

And a larger point - and admittedly I haven't visited that often - is that IMHO, LGF appears to me to more often point out the egregious behavior of the right (and claim that the likes of Alex Jones are representative of the right) without a similar focus on the left.

There is plenty of hatred and asshattery to go around on both sides.

274 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 1:44:04pm

re: #261 cliffster

good grief, do the people over there just sit around thinking about how much they hate charles, all day every day?

No, sometimes they devote hours to finding new imprecations to hurl at President Obama. The current favorite is "Totalitarian Progressive" (always capitalized). Sometimes they also spend time calling for the destruction of Islam. How that is supposed to happen without mass murder is not explained.

275 Decatur Deb  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 1:44:25pm

BBLre: #271 Cato the Elder

I always thought a colo was a shortened colon: guess I was wrong.

I read it as "cholo".

[Link: www.urbandictionary.com...]

276 Cato the Elder  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 1:44:55pm

Someone here apparently thinks the "right" is still represented by William F. Buckley, Jr., and other sane people.

277 cliffster  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 1:45:36pm

re: #262 brookly red

So when did paypal become like a gubermint agency? I don't remember voting on this... what is next the Master Card inquisition?

paypal is repressing me! make it stop!

278 brookly red  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 1:46:21pm

you are all OK with this paypal thing because you don't like Geller and true she is despicable, but if their politic was different and they rejected a site you approved of well I think the song would be different... just my opinion.

279 CuriousLurker  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 1:46:29pm

re: #275 Decatur Deb

BBL

I read it as "cholo".

LOL, I could definitely see a cholo having issues with Stormfront.

280 Nimed  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 1:46:40pm

re: #269 Alouette

I hate Brooklyn. I wish my kids didn't live there.

Wait for it... wait for it...

ANTI-SEMITE!!
///

281 allegro  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 1:47:14pm

re: #278 brookly red

you are all OK with this paypal thing because you don't like Geller and true she is despicable, but if their politic was different and they rejected a site you approved of well I think the song would be different... just my opinion.

Bull. They rejected Jesus' General, too. Anyone whining?

282 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 1:47:56pm

re: #278 brookly red

you are all OK with this paypal thing because you don't like Geller and true she is despicable, but if their politic was different and they rejected a site you approved of well I think the song would be different... just my opinion.

No. I'm OK with the PayPal thing because Pamela Geller's sites DO promote hatred and bigotry and very bad people.

PayPal's judgment that she's running a hate site is absolutely correct.

283 cliffster  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 1:48:28pm

re: #278 brookly red

you are all OK with this paypal thing because you don't like Geller and true she is despicable, but if their politic was different and they rejected a site you approved of well I think the song would be different... just my opinion.

That might be true but I think it's probably just like Charles said - a bunch of people put in a complaint. Got a vitriolic lefty site you love to hate? File a complaint and get your buddies to do so too.

284 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 1:49:07pm

re: #273 Nekama

I'm not advocating that Pay Pal do anything. Just making an observation that they facilitate payment to other sites that may be similarly objectionable.

And a larger point - and admittedly I haven't visited that often - is that IMHO, LGF appears to me to more often point out the egregious behavior of the right (and claim that the likes of Alex Jones are representative of the right) without a similar focus on the left.

There is plenty of hatred and asshattery to go around on both sides.

They thing is that the hate on the left is much less visible right now, and its not in charge of the movement. The man with the most power on the left, Barack Obama, is not a hater, nor is Harry Reid (Pelosi is another story). The power on the right is held more by media personalities than politicians right now, some of whom (like Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh) are haters. I understand your frustration and I wish the left came in for more of a hammering here too. But at this time the right deserves the beatdown more. The pounding will continue till sanity prevails.

285 Targetpractice  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 1:49:10pm

re: #278 brookly red

you are all OK with this paypal thing because you don't like Geller and true she is despicable, but if their politic was different and they rejected a site you approved of well I think the song would be different... just my opinion.

Would I try to argue that the site was not a "hate site"? Perhaps. Would I argue that Paypal does not have the authority to enforce its own TOS and cut services? No, because I don't believe it constitutes anything more than an execution of their Right of Association. If they don't want to be associated with a "hate site," that's their right.

286 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 1:49:12pm

re: #281 allegro

Bull. They rejected Jesus' General, too. Anyone whining?

Hey, there's your equivalent leftist site!

That neatly disposes of the tu quoque argument.

287 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 1:49:41pm

re: #272 CuriousLurker

Why??

Expensive, crowded.

288 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 1:50:59pm

re: #280 Nimed

Wait for it... wait for it...

ANTI-SEMITE!!
///

I really, really, really hate Boro Park!

289 cliffster  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 1:51:22pm

I wouldn't want my name/logo on that site. Just like Nike probably doesn't want Osama Bin Laden photographed in a swoosh shirt.

290 brookly red  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 1:52:31pm

re: #281 allegro

Bull. They rejected Jesus' General, too. Anyone whining?

exactly, who are they to censor? Oh I know I will take flack but this is not a good precedent. What when banks stop issuing credit for political reasons? I would not piss on Geller if she was on fire, but I don't think anything good can come from this.

Downding at will.

291 Targetpractice  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 1:52:44pm

re: #284 Dark_Falcon

They thing is that the hate on the left is much less visible right now, and its not in charge of the movement. The man with the most power on the left, Barack Obama, is not a hater, nor is Harry Reid (Pelosi is another story). The power on the right is held more by media personalities than politicians right now, some of whom (like Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh) are haters. I understand your frustration and I wish the left came in for more of a hammering here too. But at this time the right deserves the beatdown more. The pounding will continue till sanity prevails.

Exactly. Back during the Bush years, the Left got hammered hard because they had media personalities out there stirring the shit, with politicians doing the heavy lifting in Congress. But we likewise called out politicians and media personalities on the Right who were acting like dumbasses and shined the spotlight on them. I think too many of us old-timers developed this belief that, because Charles focused the spotlight so much on the Left during the Bush years, that this became a defacto "Right-wing" site. But LGF has never been "Right" or "Left," it has always been an "Anti-Idiotarian" site, and there simply seem to be a veritable cornucopia of prominent idiots on the Right at the present time.

292 allegro  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 1:53:00pm

re: #286 Charles

Hey, there's your equivalent leftist site!

I would argue that it is not equivalent in any way to Atlas Shrugs. However, as brilliant satire goes, like Stephen Colbert, there are many who don't get it. That said, if PayPal doesn't want to be associated with it, their right.

293 Nekama  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 1:53:21pm

re: #276 Cato the Elder

Someone here apparently thinks the "right" is still represented by William F. Buckley, Jr., and other sane people.

Why not leave it to those on the right to decide who represents them? I never heard of Alex Jones and those of his ilk, until Charles overturned their rock. They most certainly don't speak for me and those I associate with.

I think the six-degrees-of-separation game should be applied uniformly. If it's objectionable to go to a rally and listen to someone who appeared on a show with an Alex Jones type, then it should be equally objectionable to go listen to Obama, who spent 20 years with Jeremiah Wright, dined with Rashid Khalidi, and marched with Louis Farrakhan.

Apply the standards equally is my point.

294 Cato the Elder  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 1:53:59pm

re: #290 brookly red

exactly, who are they to censor? Oh I know I will take flack but this is not a good precedent. What when banks stop issuing credit for political reasons? I would not piss on Geller if she was on fire, but I don't think anything good can come from this.

Downding at will.

Censorship does not even begin to apply here. It is a totally bogus argument.

295 Targetpractice  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 1:54:23pm

re: #290 brookly red

exactly, who are they to censor? Oh I know I will take flack but this is not a good precedent. What when banks stop issuing credit for political reasons? I would not piss on Geller if she was on fire, but I don't think anything good can come from this.

Downding at will.

What precedent has been set? That a business can choose to do business with persons who it does not wish to be associated with?

296 allegro  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 1:54:34pm

re: #290 brookly red

exactly, who are they to censor?

For pity sake, Brookly. NO ONE is being censored.

297 CuriousLurker  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 1:54:41pm

re: #287 Alouette

Expensive, crowded.

True that. I don't mind the crowds so much because I love the ethnic diversity, but expensive yeah. To live in any kind of decent neighborhood you have to either be willing to pay way more than I can afford, or be really lucky.

298 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 1:54:50pm

re: #293 Nekama

Why not leave it to those on the right to decide who represents them?


They have. That's the problem.

299 brookly red  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 1:56:48pm

re: #294 Cato the Elder

Censorship does not even begin to apply here. It is a totally bogus argument.

really how so? who is paypal to decide what is legitimate speech & what is not?

300 Targetpractice  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 1:57:35pm

re: #293 Nekama

Why not leave it to those on the right to decide who represents them? I never heard of Alex Jones and those of his ilk, until Charles overturned their rock. They most certainly don't speak for me and those I associate with.

I think the six-degrees-of-separation game should be applied uniformly. If it's objectionable to go to a rally and listen to someone who appeared on a show with an Alex Jones type, then it should be equally objectionable to go listen to Obama, who spent 20 years with Jeremiah Wright, dined with Rashid Khalidi, and marched with Louis Farrakhan.

Apply the standards equally is my point.

Nekama, you're a old-timer like me, so you know damn well how many times we had those on the Left swear up and down that they didn't get their marching orders from this prominent Lefty or that one, that they were "free-thinkers," and the fact that they shared beliefs with those prominent Lefties simply meant that it was the only "reasonable" conclusion. And now I watch folks on the Right swear up and down that they don't listen to Rush, watch Beck, or read Jones, but they all sure seem to have the talking points at the ready.

301 cliffster  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 1:58:11pm

re: #299 brookly red

really how so? who is paypal to decide what is legitimate speech & what is not?

It's their business, dude. Would you want people telling you how to run your business?

302 Nekama  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 1:58:20pm

re: #298 Killgore Trout

They have. That's the problem.

No. You're deciding it. They don't speak for me or anyone I know who is right of center politically.

And that's the problem, and the point I'm making.

303 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 1:58:35pm

re: #293 Nekama

I think you're problem is that you too hung up on the whole left right thing. That's not what it's all about. We do beat up the lefties here. Cindy Sheehan is still a creep and is widely condemned here. That hasn't changed. What has changed is the right. They've gone from a reasonable and serious political movement and transformed into lunatics and conspiracy nuts.
It's not about left or right, it's about lunatics and creeps.

304 Decatur Deb  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 1:58:37pm

re: #299 brookly red

really how so? who is paypal to decide what is legitimate speech & what is not?

If they have decent lawyers, they reserved the right to themselves in the TOS.

305 Cato the Elder  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 1:58:45pm

re: #293 Nekama

Why not leave it to those on the right to decide who represents them? I never heard of Alex Jones and those of his ilk, until Charles overturned their rock. They most certainly don't speak for me and those I associate with.

I think the six-degrees-of-separation game should be applied uniformly. If it's objectionable to go to a rally and listen to someone who appeared on a show with an Alex Jones type, then it should be equally objectionable to go listen to Obama, who spent 20 years with Jeremiah Wright, dined with Rashid Khalidi, and marched with Louis Farrakhan.

Apply the standards equally is my point.

When the "left" has its equivalents of Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, Ann Coulter, Michele Bachmann, James Inhofe, Michele Malkin, Sarah Palin, Rand and Ron Paul, The Discovery Institute, Focus on the Family, Jerry Falwell, the teabaggers, Andrew Breitbart, and R.S. McCain, get back to me.

These are just a few of the faces who represent the insane right wing in this country today.

306 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 1:59:15pm

re: #297 CuriousLurker

True that. I don't mind the crowds so much because I love the ethnic diversity, but expensive yeah. To live in any kind of decent neighborhood you have to either be willing to pay way more than I can afford, or be really lucky.

My daughter lives in a shitty third floor walkup with her 7 kids. I have urged her to move to Michigan where she can buy a large house with a big backyard for <$100K. But she says she like the schools in Crown Heights.

It's not like she can't find a job anywhere, she just graduated #1 in her class at nursing school.

The last time she came to visit, my grandson looked at our big backyard and said "is it OK to walk on the grass?"

I almost cried.

307 cliffster  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 1:59:34pm

re: #302 Nekama

No. You're deciding it. They don't speak for me or anyone I know who is right of center politically.

And that's the problem, and the point I'm making.

Agreed

308 allegro  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 1:59:35pm

re: #302 Nekama

They don't speak for me or anyone I know who is right of center politically.

Then y'all need to get out there and vote, cuz the teabaggers are winning the primaries.

309 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 1:59:48pm

re: #293 Nekama

Why not leave it to those on the right to decide who represents them? I never heard of Alex Jones and those of his ilk, until Charles overturned their rock. They most certainly don't speak for me and those I associate with.

I think the six-degrees-of-separation game should be applied uniformly. If it's objectionable to go to a rally and listen to someone who appeared on a show with an Alex Jones type, then it should be equally objectionable to go listen to Obama, who spent 20 years with Jeremiah Wright, dined with Rashid Khalidi, and marched with Louis Farrakhan.

Apply the standards equally is my point.

The problem is that Obama did kick Wright to the curb, and has not associated with the other two in a good number of years. He has not given any of them so much as a whisper since taking office, nor has he governed from the racialist left. And its not the going to the rallies that is the problem; It's the vile things said there.

Nothing would please me better than for the right to need less scrutiny. But at this time, the nuttiness is mostly on the right. Have seen so of the craziness Glenn Beck puts out, for example?

310 Cato the Elder  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 1:59:58pm

re: #299 brookly red

really how so? who is paypal to decide what is legitimate speech & what is not?

You are being especially dense today.

PayPal is merely deciding what speech they want to be associated with.

311 brookly red  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 2:00:10pm

re: #296 allegro

For pity sake, Brookly. NO ONE is being censored.

here try to understand, it is not the place of a finical service provider to set the standard of acceptable speech. This is America & we have laws & courts to make decisions not corporations (see I am a Democrat after all).

312 brookly red  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 2:01:02pm

re: #310 Cato the Elder

You are being especially dense today.

PayPal is merely deciding what speech they want to be associated with.

OK that is the first good argument I have heard.

313 allegro  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 2:02:01pm

re: #309 Dark_Falcon

He has not given any of them so much as a whisper since taking office, nor has he governed from the racialist left.

Freudian? *g*

314 Targetpractice  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 2:02:32pm

re: #311 brookly red

here try to understand, it is not the place of a finical service provider to set the standard of acceptable speech. This is America & we have laws & courts to make decisions not corporations (see I am a Democrat after all).

It is their place to decide how their business with operate and what sorts of persons they will do business with.

315 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 2:02:49pm

re: #302 Nekama

No. You're deciding it. They don't speak for me or anyone I know who is right of center politically.

And that's the problem, and the point I'm making.

Nor do they speak for me. But they've got a lot of influence, and they're pushing the Republican party in a bad direction. A good countermove would be for you to find some conservatives who you regard as the current heir to Buckley.

316 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 2:02:49pm

re: #302 Nekama

No. You're deciding it. They don't speak for me or anyone I know who is right of center politically.

And that's the problem, and the point I'm making.

Then why put so much effort into defending them? Why try to obfuscate for them? Why give them any support whatsoever? I'd love to see Glenn Beck, Ron Paul, Alex Jones and the Birch Society gone from the right. Associating with European NeoNazis is unacceptable. Why not speak out against them? Why do you have a problem with other people speaking out against them?

317 Cato the Elder  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 2:03:00pm

re: #311 brookly red

here try to understand, it is not the place of a finical service provider to set the standard of acceptable speech. This is America & we have laws & courts to make decisions not corporations (see I am a Democrat after all).

If the financial service is in fact finical, they absolutely have the duty to decide with whom they want to work.

Ha! Hoist with your own malapropism!

318 allegro  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 2:03:38pm

re: #311 brookly red

here try to understand, it is not the place of a finical service provider to set the standard of acceptable speech.

319 brookly red  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 2:03:45pm

re: #314 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

It is their place to decide how their business with operate and what sorts of persons they will do business with.

well gee wiz if Fannie Mae had that option we wouldn't be so fucked now...

320 Nimed  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 2:03:52pm

re: #293 Nekama

Why not leave it to those on the right to decide who represents them? I never heard of Alex Jones and those of his ilk, until Charles overturned their rock. They most certainly don't speak for me and those I associate with.

I think the six-degrees-of-separation game should be applied uniformly. If it's objectionable to go to a rally and listen to someone who appeared on a show with an Alex Jones type, then it should be equally objectionable to go listen to Obama, who spent 20 years with Jeremiah Wright, dined with Rashid Khalidi, and marched with Louis Farrakhan.

Apply the standards equally is my point.

There's no need to play six degrees of separation in a lot of issues. Climate change is one of them -- the last GOP Senator willing to negotiate climate legislation has withdrawn his offer. And Lord Christopher Fucking Monckton doesn't just dine with Congressmen. He is actually invited to testify before Congress.

321 Nekama  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 2:04:48pm

re: #300 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Nekama, you're a old-timer like me, so you know damn well how many times we had those on the Left swear up and down that they didn't get their marching orders from this prominent Lefty or that one, that they were "free-thinkers," and the fact that they shared beliefs with those prominent Lefties simply meant that it was the only "reasonable" conclusion. And now I watch folks on the Right swear up and down that they don't listen to Rush, watch Beck, or read Jones, but they all sure seem to have the talking points at the ready.

Maybe we were too hard on them then. Speaking from my own experience - your mileage may vary - one can come to similar conclusions as others without reading or listening to them.

322 allegro  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 2:05:04pm

re: #318 allegro

that should have been followed by...

*facepalm*

323 CuriousLurker  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 2:06:06pm

re: #306 Alouette

My daughter lives in a shitty third floor walkup with her 7 kids. I have urged her to move to Michigan where she can buy a large house with a big backyard for <$100K. But she says she like the schools in Crown Heights.

It's not like she can't find a job anywhere, she just graduated #1 in her class at nursing school.

The last time she came to visit, my grandson looked at our big backyard and said "is it OK to walk on the grass?"

I almost cried.

Ah, a grandmother's heart. I can see why your grandson's question would be poignant for you. Are there thriving Jewish communities & schools in Michigan like there are in Brooklyn? (I'm assuming that's part of the reason your daughter wants to say—please correct me if I'm wrong.)

I didn't grow up in New York, but I imagine it's an experience like no other (in both good ways & bad).

324 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 2:06:19pm

re: #313 allegro

Freudian? *g*

No. 'Racialist' in that context refers to those who use race as a way to stir up resentments. Obama doesn't do that. I don't agree with him on most things, but he really does see himself as a bridgebuilder on race and he does not push "us versus them" identity politics.

325 allegro  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 2:07:25pm

re: #324 Dark_Falcon

No. 'Racialist' in that context refers to those who use race as a way to stir up resentments. Obama doesn't do that. I don't agree with him on most things, but he really does see himself as a bridgebuilder on race and he does not push "us versus them" identity politics.

Ah, I see. I guess I was just expecting to see "radical" left, which also applies.

326 brookly red  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 2:08:48pm

So I guess everyoneNOW agrees that the private sector has rights & the government should not force private business to associate with those they choose not to. PayPal has struck a blow for freedom & like a 98 mph fastsball it is un-hittable. Spin that.

327 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 2:11:07pm

BBIAB

328 Targetpractice  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 2:11:58pm

re: #321 Nekama

Maybe we were too hard on them then. Speaking from my own experience - your mileage may vary - one can come to similar conclusions as others without reading or listening to them.

You're right, it's possible. But when three people all post the same argument, with little to no variation between them, which is an easier conclusion to come to: They all arrived at the same destination through similar thought processes or they all got their argument from the same source?

It's like when Rush came out with his infamous "I want him to fail!" BS, then quickly backtracked to say he didn't want him to make America worse, he just wanted his political policies to fail. Within hours of his broadcasts, it seemed that everybody on the Right was making the same argument, that they wanted Obama to "fail." And everybody on the Left met such declarations with pearl-clutching about how "Rush wants America to fail!"

But yet, they'll swear that Rush Limbaugh doesn't speak for them and that he's not the head of the Right...but they have no clue whatsoever who is.

329 cliffster  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 2:12:03pm

re: #326 brookly red

So I guess everyoneNOW agrees that the private sector has rights & the government should not force private business to associate with those they choose not to. PayPal has struck a blow for freedom & like a 98 mph fastsball it is un-hittable. Spin that.

I haven't agreed with the point you're making, but I do agree that some people seem to be awfully interested in preserving a private business's rights, when they ordinarily do not seem to be that interested.

330 Cato the Elder  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 2:13:22pm

Note to Spencer, Geller, and their friends:

When your entirely justified fear and hatred of Islamofascism leads you to hate and despise all Muslims and to associate with people whose flags show a modified swastika on a white circle inside a blood-red background, the notion of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" has just torn a large, gory chunk out of your gluteus maximus.

331 Nekama  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 2:13:25pm

re: #305 Cato the Elder

When the "left" has its equivalents of Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, Ann Coulter, Michele Bachmann, James Inhofe, Michele Malkin, Sarah Palin, Rand and Ron Paul, The Discovery Institute, Focus on the Family, Jerry Falwell, the teabaggers, Andrew Breitbart, and R.S. McCain, get back to me.

These are just a few of the faces who represent the insane right wing in this country today.

Thanks for making my point. Those names represent the right TO YOU. But they are no more representative of all thought on the right than the Congressional Black Caucus is representative of all black politicians or Keith Olbermann is representative of all those on the left.

We need to be careful with our generalizations. Those of us who lean the right politically shouldn't be tarred with the Alex Jones brush any more than those who lean left should be considered to align with Cindy Sheehan.

332 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 2:13:47pm

re: #323 CuriousLurker

Ah, a grandmother's heart. I can see why your grandson's question would be poignant for you. Are there thriving Jewish communities & schools in Michigan like there are in Brooklyn? (I'm assuming that's part of the reason your daughter wants to say—please correct me if I'm wrong.)

I didn't grow up in New York, but I imagine it's an experience like no other (in both good ways & bad).

There is a small community here, obviously not on the same scale as Brooklyn, my point is that if you're raising kids almost anywhere else is better than Brooklyn.

3 of my 9 kids have beautiful homes in Canada, Israel and Alabama.

333 brookly red  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 2:13:59pm

re: #326 brookly red

So I guess everyoneNOW agrees that the private sector has rights & the government should not force private business to associate with those they choose not to. PayPal has struck a blow for freedom & like a 98 mph fastsball it is un-hittable. Spin that.

Yup Insurance companies don't have to insure people they don't want to be associated with... and banks don't have to loan to losers. This was so refreshing free markets work.

334 Nimed  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 2:14:39pm

re: #305 Cato the Elder

When the "left" has its equivalents of Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, Ann Coulter, Michele Bachmann, James Inhofe, Michele Malkin, Sarah Palin, Rand and Ron Paul, The Discovery Institute, Focus on the Family, Jerry Falwell, the teabaggers, Andrew Breitbart, and R.S. McCain, get back to me.

These are just a few of the faces who represent the insane right wing in this country today.

And most of the people in this list are not just loons. They are loons with a very large following and a lot of influence on how most of the GOP politicians in Washington behave. The reasonable right-wingers of our country -- the Frums and the Friedersdorfs and the Tyler Cowens and so on -- are the ones who have almost no voice in the Republican Party.

335 allegro  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 2:14:50pm

re: #329 cliffster

I haven't agreed with the point you're making, but I do agree that some people seem to be awfully interested in preserving a private business's rights, when they ordinarily do not seem to be that interested.

Do y'all really not see the difference between a restaurant that denies service to all blacks or Jews or... and one that only refuses service to the drunk screaming "you fucking bitch" at the waitress?

336 Decatur Deb  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 2:16:14pm

Just hit 100 degrees here--deploying emergency beer.

337 Nimed  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 2:17:01pm

re: #331 Nekama

So who is it that represents the reasonable right to you AND has influence at the moment?

338 Nekama  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 2:17:07pm

re: #316 Killgore Trout

Then why put so much effort into defending them? Why try to obfuscate for them? Why give them any support whatsoever?

Classic "when did you stop beating your wife" argument.

339 brookly red  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 2:18:10pm

re: #335 allegro

Do y'all really not see the difference between a restaurant that denies service to all blacks or Jews or... and one that only refuses service to the drunk screaming "you fucking bitch" at the waitress?

yeah it is kinda like an insurance company that won't insure drug users... this paypal thing is a sweet argument against Obama care. Private businesses have rights. How cool is that?

340 Targetpractice  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 2:18:28pm

re: #337 Nimed

So who is it that represents the reasonable right to you AND has influence at the moment?

And, I'd add, hasn't been labeled a "sell-out" or a "RINO."

341 Cato the Elder  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 2:18:32pm

re: #331 Nekama

Thanks for making my point. Those names represent the right TO YOU. But they are no more representative of all thought on the right than the Congressional Black Caucus is representative of all black politicians or Keith Olbermann is representative of all those on the left.

We need to be careful with our generalizations. Those of us who lean the right politically shouldn't be tarred with the Alex Jones brush any more than those who lean left should be considered to align with Cindy Sheehan.

Agreed. So who does represent the right to you?

Can you name half as many names as the self-appointed representatives of the right whom I just named?

342 Bagua  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 2:18:55pm

re: #253 Killgore Trout

This is a perfect example. The New World Order conspiracies are about secret plots from communist Jewish Bankers who secretly rule the world. This is straight up antisemitism. If you research that story you'll find that it came directly from antisemite Alex Jones. This is support for Israel? Neonazis and antisemites? Does Israel really want the support of these people?

Spot on brother. The mainstreaming of this paranoid conspiracy nonsense is a growing problem and it is no less than a cancer in the bodies in which it is metastasizing. It needs examination, exposure and excision.

343 boxhead  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 2:21:23pm

Late to this thread... Just wondering if there was any truth to the claims on PG's site that say PayPal has Islamists as customers? I don't read PG unless she is in a post at other sites I do read. It hurts my head..

Other than that, PayPal is a private business. If the Hate-O-Sphere can sustain a PukePal to offset the loss of PayPal's service, more power to them. It would be quite a hoot!

344 Bagua  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 2:21:59pm

re: #18 Charles

Heh. The wingnuts actually think they're going to hurt PayPal's business by canceling their own accounts.

Fools.

345 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 2:22:27pm

re: #335 allegro

Do y'all really not see the difference between a restaurant that denies service to all blacks or Jews or... and one that only refuses service to the drunk screaming "you fucking bitch" at the waitress?

Businesses have the right to set terms and conditions for being served, these can be based on dress and behavior, but our Civil Rights Act says that these terms and conditions cannot be based on race or religion.

They can ask you to put on a jacket or check your gun at the door to be allwed entry, but they cannot ask you to change your skin color or religion.

Pay Pal is a private company that has a commanding market share and has become nearly a public institution It is obviously a big inconvenience to Pam to be denied access, which, I believe is the reason she is frimmin' at the krotz over this to such an extent.

But as long as they deny access based on a consistent policy that is not based on her race or religion, they are fully justified in doing so.

346 brookly red  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 2:23:44pm

re: #345 ralphieboy

Businesses have the right to set terms and conditions for being served, these can be based on dress and behavior, but our Civil Rights Act says that these terms and conditions cannot be based on race or religion.

They can ask you to put on a jacket or check your gun at the door to be allwed entry, but they cannot ask you to change your skin color or religion.

Pay Pal is a private company that has a commanding market share and has become nearly a public institution It is obviously a big inconvenience to Pam to be denied access, which, I believe is the reason she is frimmin' at the krotz over this to such an extent.

But as long as they deny access based on a consistent policy that is not based on her race or religion, they are fully justified in doing so.

Kinda like a health insurance company?

347 Bagua  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 2:23:53pm

re: #24 Cato the Elder

And right on cue, the moral morons are crying "freedom of speech! help! I'm being repressed!"


[Video]Listen, Pam: no one is abridging your right to be a mental midget and trumpet that fact to the world. You are free to hate all you like, and post about it every day. You are also free to pay for it, or wheedle money out of your retarded fans to pay for it, and live off the surplus.

You are not free to use the good offices of a reputable business in support of your schemes, however. If you offered me a tithe of every jar tip that comes your way, I would still not touch you with a barge-pole.

That's known as freedom of association.

People unclear on the concepts they support with passion.

348 allegro  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 2:23:58pm

re: #345 ralphieboy

Pay Pal is a private company that has a commanding market share and has become nearly a public institution

And it is not the only company that does the online payment thingie.

349 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 2:24:03pm

The heroine of the right wing blogosphere. “We’re all Pamela Geller now!”

Does this mean I'm gonna' have bigger boobs?

350 cliffster  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 2:24:13pm

re: #335 allegro

Do y'all really not see the difference between a restaurant that denies service to all blacks or Jews or... and one that only refuses service to the drunk screaming "you fucking bitch" at the waitress?

You are completely, 100% missing my point. Please read what people write before you comment on it. I've posted many times on this thread agreeing with what you're saying. What I take issue with are people who are suddenly, out of the blue, all about the rights of a business.

351 Decatur Deb  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 2:24:44pm

re: #342 Bagua

Spot on brother. The mainstreaming of this paranoid conspiracy nonsense is a growing problem and it is no less than a cancer in the bodies in which it is metastasizing. It needs examination, exposure and excision.

Shortly after the Wall came down, Pres GHWB used the NWO phrase in a speech. I knew he didn't mean the nutcase concept, but it was really bad speechwriting. some of the above-ground use of the phrase might be traced to that.

352 brookly red  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 2:25:16pm

re: #349 MandyManners

The heroine of the right wing blogosphere. “We’re all Pamela Geller now!”

Does this mean I'm gonna' have bigger boobs?

check back in the morning...

353 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 2:25:50pm

re: #346 brookly red

Kinda like a health insurance company?


An insurance company cannot ask you to check your pre-existing condition at the door, any more than it can ask you to change your skin color because a black person might be more subject to diabetes or sickle-cell anemia.

354 Cato the Elder  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 2:25:55pm

re: #349 MandyManners

The heroine of the right wing blogosphere. “We’re all Pamela Geller now!”

Does this mean I'm gonna' have bigger boobs?

Try renting before you buy.

355 Steroid  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 2:26:48pm

re: #337 Nimed

So who is it that represents the reasonable right to you AND has influence at the moment?

It's hardly kosher to say that the radical right is permitted to exist unmolested so long as it doesn't achieve success in terms of influence. Isn't the point of an open political society that whatever ideas pass muster in the arena get to hold sway?

I actually find it easier to understand the position of an Olbermann or a Sheehan, both of whom I disagree with politically, than the "anti-idiotarian," "compromise-moderate," or "pro-sanity" position that seems de rigeur here. After all, if you're going to dismiss people as insane, shouldn't you expect that they're only going to do the same to you?

356 Bagua  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 2:26:49pm

re: #354 Cato the Elder

Try renting before you buy.

Nonsense, bigger boobs is always the right choice. Go for it Mandy!

357 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 2:27:10pm

re: #338 Nekama

Classic "when did you stop beating your wife" argument.

No it's not. Why do you object to LGF highlighting the associations of counterjihad bloggers and European Neonazis?
LGF warned them about this connection. Now they're paying the consequences. They are indeed linked to hategroups and other people don't want to be associated with them. Many people left LGF because they didn't want it discussed and wanted to pick on the lefties more. Now look what's happened. Instead of trying to deflect and pick on the lefties, why not address the problem?
Why is there no conservative outrage when Drudge links to Alex Jones? Alex Jones thinks Jews Caused 9-11.
More conservatives objected to gays attending CPAC this year than the Birch Society.
Glenn Beck spews Birch Society conspiracies on tv 5 days a week and conservatives can't get enough of it.
There's a very serious problem going on and it's not going to go away by ignoring it.

358 Cato the Elder  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 2:27:24pm

re: #341 Cato the Elder

Agreed. So who does represent the right to you?

Can you name half as many names as the self-appointed representatives of the right whom I just named?

Nekama, I asked you a straight-up question here. A downding is not an answer in this case.

359 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 2:27:48pm

re: #342 Bagua

Spot on brother. The mainstreaming of this paranoid conspiracy nonsense is a growing problem and it is no less than a cancer in the bodies in which it is metastasizing. It needs examination, exposure and excision.

Not enough people willing to listen yet. They'll learn eventually.

360 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 2:28:06pm

re: #343 boxhead

Just wondering if there was any truth to the claims on PG's site that say PayPal has Islamists as customers?

I'll repeat what I've been saying to everyone who brings this up: so what?

Clearly, PayPal received complaints (probably a lot of complaints) about the content on Pamela Geller's sites. I was not one of the people who complained, but I will say that I agree with the PayPal ruling that Geller "promotes hate." That's the issue, not whether some other site on the very large PayPal network also promotes hate.

If you find a site that promotes hate, Islamist or otherwise, you're free to file a complaint with PayPal about it. That's what I'd recommend doing, because that's almost certainly the reason why they took action against Geller.

Also, as others have already pointed out, PayPal recently did the same thing with "Jesus' General," a very left wing site that mocked Christianity and the right wing in general. So the idea that this is some kind of Islamist conspiracy is just way way beyond ludicrous.

361 darthstar  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 2:28:10pm

re: #356 Bagua

Nonsense, bigger boobs is always the right choice. Go for it Mandy!

Ooh...I've come back to a boob thread! Actually, Mandy should just have one boob done, and if she likes it, go back and have them do the other.

362 cliffster  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 2:28:13pm

re: #358 Cato the Elder

Nekama, I asked you a straight-up question here. A downding is not an answer in this case.

unless it's a silly question. who represents the left to you?

363 brookly red  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 2:28:36pm

re: #353 ralphieboy

An insurance company cannot ask you to check your pre-existing condition at the door, any more than it can ask you to change your skin color because a black person might be more subject to diabetes or sickle-cell anemia.

so, it has the right to deny coverage on principal, just like pay pal. Hey it is a private business & they have rights as many upstairs have stated.

364 Decatur Deb  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 2:28:58pm

re: #349 MandyManners

The heroine of the right wing blogosphere. “We’re all Pamela Geller now!”

Does this mean I'm gonna' have bigger boobs?

It means we're supposed to be bigger boobs.

365 CuriousLurker  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 2:29:00pm

re: #332 Alouette

There is a small community here, obviously not on the same scale as Brooklyn, my point is that if you're raising kids almost anywhere else is better than Brooklyn.

3 of my 9 kids have beautiful homes in Canada, Israel and Alabama.

Kudos to them. Maybe your daughter will come around to your point of view sooner rather than later. I know my son doesn't always do what I think is best, but since I have no grandchildren to worry about maybe it's easier for me to shrug it off as a case of "it's his life, not much I can do about it".

366 freetoken  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 2:29:30pm

In the pages Lidane put up a link to what happened at the TX GOP convention.

Sure looks ugly.

Which dovetails very well with what is happening with Geller et. al.

It appears the end game to the right-wing, hate-wing of American society and politics is one big hate-fest. I presume that the more sane majority will resist them, though immigration is the one topic on which the hate-wing will be able to draw support from the rest of Americans.

367 Cato the Elder  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 2:30:01pm

re: #362 cliffster

unless it's a silly question. who represents the left to you?

I'll show him mine if he'll show me his first.

368 Bagua  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 2:30:07pm

re: #361 darthstar

Ooh...I've come back to a boob thread! Actually, Mandy should just have one boob done, and if she likes it, go back and have them do the other.


Why this shilly-shallying? Plunge in with both boobs I say!

369 Targetpractice  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 2:30:12pm

re: #355 Steroid

It's hardly kosher to say that the radical right is permitted to exist unmolested so long as it doesn't achieve success in terms of influence. Isn't the point of an open political society that whatever ideas pass muster in the arena get to hold sway?

I actually find it easier to understand the position of an Olbermann or a Sheehan, both of whom I disagree with politically, than the "anti-idiotarian," "compromise-moderate," or "pro-sanity" position that seems de rigeur here. After all, if you're going to dismiss people as insane, shouldn't you expect that they're only going to do the same to you?

True enough. And if they don't like the environment here and think the owner or his guests "insane," then they're free to seek friendly venues. In the end, this is Charles' site, and folks that don't understand that and are quite..."adamant" in their expressing their displeasure with the way this site is run and in their demands for it to be changed don't tend to last very long.

370 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 2:31:28pm

re: #363 brookly red

so, it has the right to deny coverage on principal, just like pay pal. Hey it is a private business & they have rights as many upstairs have stated.


Once again: we have set limits to the "principles" a company can use to deny coverage. And these exclude race or religion, and in the case of insurance coverage, pre-existing conditions.

371 darthstar  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 2:31:52pm

re: #368 Bagua

Why this shilly-shallying? Plunge in with both boobs I say!

Just both?

372 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 2:32:35pm

So I have to do something? I thought it was gonna' happen by magic.

373 McSpiff  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 2:32:48pm

re: #363 brookly red

so, it has the right to deny coverage on principal, just like pay pal. Hey it is a private business & they have rights as many upstairs have stated.

Well played sir. Although you better believe that "pre-existing conditions" will become a protected attribute just like race or gender.

374 Steroid  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 2:32:50pm

re: #369 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Oh, certainly. I just think it would be nice if we tried to have a reconciliation among varied opinions instead of shutting ourself off into fiefdoms where the conventional wisdom of that particular group is echoed and dissenters are exiled.

375 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 2:33:15pm

re: #371 darthstar

Just both?

and now for something completelx different:

monty python a man with three buttocks

376 Targetpractice  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 2:33:19pm

re: #372 MandyManners

So I have to do something? I thought it was gonna' happen by magic.

So did a lot of Obama voters...uh, I mean, how silly.

*shifty look*

377 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 2:34:18pm

re: #355 Steroid

It's hardly kosher to say that the radical right is permitted to exist unmolested so long as it doesn't achieve success in terms of influence. Isn't the point of an open political society that whatever ideas pass muster in the arena get to hold sway?

I actually find it easier to understand the position of an Olbermann or a Sheehan, both of whom I disagree with politically, than the "anti-idiotarian," "compromise-moderate," or "pro-sanity" position that seems de rigeur here. After all, if you're going to dismiss people as insane, shouldn't you expect that they're only going to do the same to you?

Sure. And then there are people who are objectively deranged. Like Pamela Geller. I dismiss her as insane because she's insane. All any sensible person has to do to confirm this is read what she writes.

And by the way, I've spent time in her physical presence, more time than I wanted to. She's even more grating and unpleasant in person.

378 cliffster  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 2:34:59pm

re: #372 MandyManners

So I have to do something? I thought it was gonna' happen by magic.

I saw this email about a pill with a secret combination of herbs that'll poof 'em up and perkify them. Let me dig it up.. I'll forward it to you.

379 CuriousLurker  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 2:35:13pm

Time to start cooking dinner. Later, Lizards.

380 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 2:35:23pm

re: #373 McSpiff

Well played sir. Although you better believe that "pre-existing conditions" will become a protected attribute just like race or gender.

Yes, that is a part of the health care reform legislation. When insurance companies were allowed to cherry-pick their customers, they could dump the high-risk customers on the state to deal with. That left millions uninsured or relying on public funds for health care.

381 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 2:35:44pm

missed that link.

talk about a pre-existing condition...

Youtube Video
382 Targetpractice  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 2:36:04pm

re: #374 Steroid

Oh, certainly. I just think it would be nice if we tried to have a reconciliation among varied opinions instead of shutting ourself off into fiefdoms where the conventional wisdom of that particular group is echoed and dissenters are exiled.

An admirable goal, and one that's been pursued at this site in past years. But unfortunately, it's a bit hard to get together and sing "Kumbaya" when one half of the chorus is screaming "DEATH TO THE JEWS!" and the other is screaming "OBAMA IS A MUSLIM!" This is a site that has prided itself in the past on welcoming those of all political and social walks of life, on the understanding that there will be no punches pulled and that brazen stupidity is not an endearing quality. Those who couldn't understand that we're not a choir in search of a preacher usually got shown the door, if they didn't leave of their own free will.

383 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 2:36:20pm

re: #293 Nekama

Why not leave it to those on the right to decide who represents them? I never heard of Alex Jones and those of his ilk, until Charles overturned their rock. They most certainly don't speak for me and those I associate with.

I think the six-degrees-of-separation game should be applied uniformly. If it's objectionable to go to a rally and listen to someone who appeared on a show with an Alex Jones type, then it should be equally objectionable to go listen to Obama, who spent 20 years with Jeremiah Wright, dined with Rashid Khalidi, and marched with Louis Farrakhan.

Apply the standards equally is my point.

I had heard of Jones before I came to LGF but, he was deeply anti-Bush way back then.

384 McSpiff  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 2:36:29pm

re: #380 ralphieboy

Yes, that is a part of the health care reform legislation. When insurance companies were allowed to cherry-pick their customers, they could dump the high-risk customers on the state to deal with. That left millions uninsured or relying on public funds for health care.

Its almost like ultimately that society gets to set the rules that businesses must operating under… weird.

385 McSpiff  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 2:37:30pm

re: #383 MandyManners

I had heard of Jones before I came to LGF but, he was deeply anti-Bush way back then.

My impression has always been that he's an anti-government nut. In his world, anyone who gets in the whitehouse is corrupt/evil/an alien.

386 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 2:37:55pm

re: #299 brookly red

really how so? who is paypal to decide what is legitimate speech & what is not?

A private business is allowed to discriminate. It's the same principle as a bar owner banning someone whose politics upsets other customers.

387 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 2:38:14pm

re: #384 McSpiff

Its almost like ultimately that society gets to set the rules that businesses must operating under… weird.

In the case of health insurance, it sets the condition that it has to provide service to the whole population and not just to the choice customers. That was the problem that led to 40 million uninsured Americans and the highest health-care costs in the world.

388 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 2:39:14pm

re: #309 Dark_Falcon

The problem is that Obama did kick Wright to the curb, and has not associated with the other two in a good number of years. He has not given any of them so much as a whisper since taking office, nor has he governed from the racialist left. And its not the going to the rallies that is the problem; It's the vile things said there.

Nothing would please me better than for the right to need less scrutiny. But at this time, the nuttiness is mostly on the right. Have seen so of the craziness Glenn Beck puts out, for example?

Didn't he shove Wright under the bus only after his attendance for 20 years became an issue?

389 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 2:39:35pm

re: #383 MandyManners

I had heard of Jones before I came to LGF but, he was deeply anti-Bush way back then.

..and we frequently bashed Dkos and lefties for associating with him and spreading his antisemitic conspiracies. Righties don't get a pass for doing the exact same thing. To Kos' credit, he banned 9-11 truth diaries. Drudge links to him now all the time. It's disgraceful.

390 brookly red  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 2:40:39pm

Dear ex customer, we regret to inform you that we are cancelling your auto insurance policy because we do not approve of the political positions you hold. If you would like to be reinstated you may apply to our defensive driver political correctness course for only $1,495. If we feel that you are sufficiently politically correct after completion of this voluntary course (at this one time special price of only 1,495 a 3,000 dollar value) we may based on our mood & the position of the moon reinstate your insurance at a rate of no more that twice that of your previous.

391 McSpiff  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 2:40:54pm

re: #387 ralphieboy

In the case of health insurance, it sets the condition that it has to provide service to the whole population and not just to the choice customers. That was the problem that led to 40 million uninsured Americans and the highest health-care costs in the world.

O, I know. It just seems like brookly doesn't understand that *gasp* the laws are different for different businesses. What's legal for Paypal might not be legal for Blue Cross, nor should it be.

392 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 2:41:03pm

re: #330 Cato the Elder

Note to Spencer, Geller, and their friends:

When your entirely justified fear and hatred of Islamofascism leads you to hate and despise all Muslims and to associate with people whose flags show a modified swastika on a white circle inside a blood-red background, the notion of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" has just torn a large, gory chunk out of your gluteus maximus.

Don't they also ignore the alliance between the Nazis and folks such as the Haj and Croatian Muslims?

393 cliffster  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 2:41:54pm

re: #389 Killgore Trout

..and we frequently bashed Dkos and lefties for associating with him and spreading his antisemitic conspiracies. Righties don't get a pass for doing the exact same thing. To Kos' credit, he banned 9-11 truth diaries. Drudge links to him now all the time. It's disgraceful.

I don't know a single person who takes him seriously. I hear people talk about Fox embracing him... I watch Fox quite a bit and I've never seen him embraced once.

394 Targetpractice  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 2:41:56pm

re: #389 Killgore Trout

..and we frequently bashed Dkos and lefties for associating with him and spreading his antisemitic conspiracies. Righties don't get a pass for doing the exact same thing. To Kos' credit, he banned 9-11 truth diaries. Drudge links to him now all the time. It's disgraceful.

Precisely. It's amazing how quickly Jones' start amongst the Right rose as soon as the target of his bile and hatred changed. When it was Bush and the GOP, the Right treated him like shit and laughed at those who associated with him. Now? He's in like Flint, his rantings been seen as having some level of "truth" to them, and people on the Right suddenly think him worthy of at least listening to.

395 Varek Raith  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 2:42:11pm

re: #374 Steroid

Oh, certainly. I just think it would be nice if we tried to have a reconciliation among varied opinions instead of shutting ourself off into fiefdoms where the conventional wisdom of that particular group is echoed and dissenters are exiled.

Reconcile with bigots?
No fucking way.

396 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 2:42:33pm

re: #386 MandyManners

A private business is allowed to discriminate. It's the same principle as a bar owner banning someone whose politics upsets other customers.


There was a case at a bar in Flagstaff, Arizona in the early 90's in which the owner denied access to a black couple, telling them that they violated the dress code, no jeans allowed.

Until someone pointed out that there were white people in the bar wearing jeans.

397 Nimed  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 2:42:37pm

re: #355 Steroid

It's hardly kosher to say that the radical right is permitted to exist unmolested so long as it doesn't achieve success in terms of influence. Isn't the point of an open political society that whatever ideas pass muster in the arena get to hold sway?

You have a strange idea of what constitutes an unmolested existence. If Charles or other opinion-makers criticize what they see as a significant part of our political actors detaching themselves from reality, does that constitute molesting? The radical right is not exempt from disparagement.

398 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 2:43:25pm

re: #378 cliffster

I saw this email about a pill with a secret combination of herbs that'll poof 'em up and perkify them. Let me dig it up.. I'll forward it to you.

Call a doctor if they remain big after four hours?

399 Four More Tears  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 2:44:23pm

re: #398 MandyManners

Call a doctor if they remain big after four hours?

That's a feature, not a bug.

400 cliffster  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 2:44:25pm

re: #390 brookly red

hehe, c'mon man - are you actually trying to make the case that the crazy lady doesn't have a hate site? I pointed out earlier that Nike wouldn't want Osama being photographed wearing a swoosh t-shirt.. why would paypal want their logo on her site?

401 brookly red  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 2:44:36pm

re: #390 brookly red

Dear ex customer, we regret to inform you that we are cancelling your auto insurance policy because we do not approve of the political positions you hold. If you would like to be reinstated you may apply to our defensive driver political correctness course for only $1,495. If we feel that you are sufficiently politically correct after completion of this voluntary course (at this one time special price of only 1,495 a 3,000 dollar value) we may based on our mood & the position of the moon reinstate your insurance at a rate of no more that twice that of your previous.

hurts don't it suckas?

402 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 2:44:37pm

re: #385 McSpiff

My impression has always been that he's an anti-government nut. In his world, anyone who gets in the whitehouse is corrupt/evil/an alien.

The only one in this administration I've heard accused of being a reptilian shape-shifter is Clinton, and it wasn't at his site.

403 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 2:44:52pm

re: #389 Killgore Trout

Drudge links to him now all the time. It's disgraceful.

Drudge has had a permanent link to infowars.com for quite a long time.

It's undoubtedly been responsible for driving an enormous amount of traffic to Alex Jones.

404 Renaissance_Man  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 2:45:13pm

re: #326 brookly red

So I guess everyoneNOW agrees that the private sector has rights & the government should not force private business to associate with those they choose not to. PayPal has struck a blow for freedom & like a 98 mph fastsball it is un-hittable. Spin that.

The private sector has always had the right to refuse service based on any number of behaviours. What it does not have the right to do is refuse service based on factors such as race. Why is this so hard to understand?

405 Varek Raith  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 2:45:14pm

re: #401 brookly red

hurts don't it suckas?

Your illogical argument?
Yep, it hertz mah haid.

406 Ojoe  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 2:45:28pm

What with the continuing oil spill and all,

when I see a photo of Obama now, I think:

"We'll be OK as long as nothing happens."

407 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 2:45:41pm

re: #389 Killgore Trout

..and we frequently bashed Dkos and lefties for associating with him and spreading his antisemitic conspiracies. Righties don't get a pass for doing the exact same thing. To Kos' credit, he banned 9-11 truth diaries. Drudge links to him now all the time. It's disgraceful.

He does? Why? I thought Drudge had a reputation for being level-headed.

408 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 2:45:45pm

re: #390 brookly red

Welcome to All Red State Insurance! We offer discounts for all pickups with gun racks, anti-abortion stickers and truck nuts!

And a special Redneck discount for cars with more than 50% primer paint!

Sign up now and receive a case of .30-06 shells in time for elk season!!!

409 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 2:46:42pm

re: #389 Killgore Trout

..and we frequently bashed Dkos and lefties for associating with him and spreading his antisemitic conspiracies. Righties don't get a pass for doing the exact same thing. To Kos' credit, he banned 9-11 truth diaries. Drudge links to him now all the time. It's disgraceful.

BTW, I've not heard of any wing-nut site promoting anti-semitic conspiracies, and I don't count VDARE, Stormfront and their ilk as wing-nuts.

410 brookly red  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 2:47:02pm

re: #400 cliffster

hehe, c'mon man - are you actually trying to make the case that the crazy lady doesn't have a hate site? I pointed out earlier that Nike wouldn't want Osama being photographed wearing a swoosh t-shirt.. why would paypal want their logo on her site?

sure I said before I wouldn't piss on her if she was on fire. So what? I agree that paypal has rights... so do insurance companies.

411 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 2:47:18pm

re: #390 brookly red

Dear ex customer, we regret to inform you that we are cancelling your auto insurance policy because we do not approve of the political positions you hold. If you would like to be reinstated you may apply to our defensive driver political correctness course for only $1,495. If we feel that you are sufficiently politically correct after completion of this voluntary course (at this one time special price of only 1,495 a 3,000 dollar value) we may based on our mood & the position of the moon reinstate your insurance at a rate of no more that twice that of your previous.

It's not the same.

412 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 2:47:50pm

re: #393 cliffster

I don't know a single person who takes him seriously. I hear people talk about Fox embracing him... I watch Fox quite a bit and I've never seen him embraced once.

IIRC, he's been on a few shows on the Internet.

413 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 2:47:52pm

re: #408 ralphieboy
LOL

414 Four More Tears  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 2:48:32pm

re: #411 MandyManners

It's not the same.

He just wants to be difficult today.

415 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 2:48:43pm

re: #394 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Precisely. It's amazing how quickly Jones' start amongst the Right rose as soon as the target of his bile and hatred changed. When it was Bush and the GOP, the Right treated him like shit and laughed at those who associated with him. Now? He's in like Flint, his rantings been seen as having some level of "truth" to them, and people on the Right suddenly think him worthy of at least listening to.

I don't nor does anyone with whom I associate IRL or on the Internet.

416 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 2:49:06pm

re: #396 ralphieboy

There was a case at a bar in Flagstaff, Arizona in the early 90's in which the owner denied access to a black couple, telling them that they violated the dress code, no jeans allowed.

Until someone pointed out that there were white people in the bar wearing jeans.

So, what happened?

417 Summer Seale  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 2:49:28pm

re: #59 Cato the Elder

Eugene Terreblance doing his best not to look like a Nazi.


[Video]

"....and the Boers bought Sudetenland too! The harwoorking volk cayme down ahnd begged us forr prrotection!Ahnd ve shood prrotect themm because theyy arre the sayme race which is piure and unsullied, Amen. And Sudetenland and Transvaal belongg to us! And...."

418 Targetpractice  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 2:49:47pm

re: #415 MandyManners

I don't nor does anyone with whom I associate IRL or on the Internet.

Present company excluded, of course.

419 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 2:50:24pm

re: #414 JasonA

He just wants to be difficult today.

Brookly red? Neverrr.

420 brookly red  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 2:50:45pm

re: #411 MandyManners

It's not the same.

no it is exactly the same. either private business has rights or it dose not. I believe it dose. But it can't go both ways if PayPal can reject so can Allstate.

421 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 2:50:53pm

re: #418 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Present company excluded, of course.

And, many others who are not on LGF.

422 Bagua  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 2:51:07pm

Couscous

Youtube Video

- JR

Cover of the song by Jazz musician Richard Bona of Cameroon.

423 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 2:51:14pm

re: #420 brookly red

no it is exactly the same. either private business has rights or it dose not. I believe it dose. But it can't go both ways if PayPal can reject so can Allstate.

How would Allstate know your politcal beliefs?

424 Varek Raith  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 2:51:27pm

Hey Brookly red,
PINEAPPLE PIZZA!

425 Decatur Deb  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 2:51:48pm

re: #417 Summer

"...and the Boers bought Sudetenland too! The harwoorking volk cayme down ahnd begged us forr prrotection!Ahnd ve shood prrotect themm because theyy arre the sayme race which is piure and unsullied, Amen. And Sudetenland and Transvaal belongg to us! And..."

I love a dreifontein sense of humor.

426 Nimed  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 2:51:55pm

re: #409 MandyManners

BTW, I've not heard of any wing-nut site promoting anti-semitic conspiracies, and I don't count VDARE, Stormfront and their ilk as wing-nuts.

What about Michelle Malkin? Is she a wingnut?

[Link: www.vdare.com...]

40+ articles in VDARE just in 2010.

427 KingKenrod  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 2:52:07pm

re: #420 brookly red

no it is exactly the same. either private business has rights or it dose not. I believe it dose. But it can't go both ways if PayPal can reject so can Allstate.


One difference is that Paypal is publicly associated with Geller's site through their "donate" link buttons.

428 Targetpractice  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 2:52:16pm

re: #421 MandyManners

And, many others who are not on LGF.

Agreed. But would you agree that there are many on the Right who do, if not follow his slavishly, at least give him more than a glance or outright derision?

429 Varek Raith  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 2:52:47pm

re: #420 brookly red

no it is exactly the same. either private business has rights or it dose not. I believe it dose. But it can't go both ways if PayPal can reject so can Allstate.

Either I have full freedom of speech, or I do not.
...
..
.

430 Steroid  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 2:53:32pm

re: #397 Nimed

You have a strange idea of what constitutes an unmolested existence. If Charles or other opinion-makers criticize what they see as a significant part of our political actors detaching themselves from reality, does that constitute molesting? The radical right is not exempt from disparagement.

It's not the criticism that unnerves me, it's the idea that when the Right was in political power and the Radical Left was beating the war drum, that it was that Radical Left that were the main targets. And now, with the scenario reversed, it's the Right that are the targets.

In other words, there's a lunatic fringe on either side that comes to the surface, not when that side is in power, but when they are out. Politics is like wrestling: easier to score points from the bottom. But there should be equal condemnation from the non-fringe at all times, rather than giving the grease to the squeaky wheel.

re: #395 Varek Raith

Reconcile with bigots?
No fucking way.

That's awfully bigoted of you.

431 Varek Raith  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 2:53:57pm

re: #430 Steroid

Roflcopter.

432 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 2:54:01pm

re: #426 Nimed

What about Michelle Malkin? Is she a wingnut?

[Link: www.vdare.com...]

40+ articles in VDARE just in 2010.

Well, I don't read her or VDARE but, she needs to cut it out.

433 Targetpractice  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 2:54:03pm

re: #420 brookly red

no it is exactly the same. either private business has rights or it dose not. I believe it dose. But it can't go both ways if PayPal can reject so can Allstate.

Just as you dig up proof that part of the agreement Allstate customers sign when purchasing insurance includes rules about political beliefs or hate speech.

No rush, of course.

434 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 2:54:24pm

re: #428 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Agreed. But would you agree that there are many on the Right who do, if not follow his slavishly, at least give him more than a glance or outright derision?

I have no way of judging that.

435 brookly red  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 2:54:27pm

re: #424 Varek Raith

Hey Brookly red,
PINEAPPLE PIZZA!

exactly you have nothing else to say... pretty pathetic for a vampire. here have a garlic tissue your nose is running.

436 Varek Raith  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 2:54:52pm

re: #435 brookly red

exactly you have nothing else to say... pretty pathetic for a vampire. here have a garlic tissue your nose is running.

Thanks!
Damn allergies.
:)

437 Four More Tears  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 2:54:56pm

re: #433 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Just as you dig up proof that part of the agreement Allstate customers sign when purchasing insurance includes rules about political beliefs or hate speech.

No rush, of course.

Allstate? Real Lizards should be using Geico!

438 Targetpractice  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 2:55:15pm

re: #434 MandyManners

I have no way of judging that.

And neither do I. So I guess we shall have to agree to disagree...agreed?

439 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 2:55:49pm

re: #393 cliffster

.. I watch Fox quite a bit and I've never seen him embraced once.


Andrew Nepalitano subs for Glenn Beck all the time. He appears frequently on Alex Jone's show. Nepalitno now has his own show on Fox. Ron and Rand Paul appear frequently on both. As does Lord Mockton. Worse is the ideological similarities to Alex Jones and Fox News. Secret communist plots, New World Order, etc. I'm sorry you can't see it but it's there. I think that's the spooky part. You don't even know what you're being exposed to. Most people probably don't. That's why the Birch Society is mainstream again on the right. Beck and Fox news have already exposed conservatives to their ideas so they don't seem that strange anymore.

440 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 2:55:49pm

re: #438 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

And neither do I. So I guess we shall have to agree to disagree...agreed?

Agreed.

441 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 2:55:51pm

Gotta run. Big thunderstorms coming this way. BBL

442 Renaissance_Man  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 2:55:51pm

re: #420 brookly red

no it is exactly the same. either private business has rights or it dose not. I believe it dose. But it can't go both ways if PayPal can reject so can Allstate.

Private businesses do have rights. They have the right to refuse service based on such things as dress. They do not have the right to do it based on such things as race.

Why do you have the bizarre belief that they must either have the right to do anything they like, or no rights at all?

443 Targetpractice  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 2:56:13pm

re: #437 JasonA

Allstate? Real Lizards should be using Geico!

They wouldn't insure my Basestar. Said something about how they would never provide insurance to a "frakin' toaster."

Er, I mean, I don't like how they do business.

/

444 Nekama  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 2:56:28pm

re: #357 Killgore Trout

No it's not. Why do you object to LGF highlighting the associations of counterjihad bloggers and European Neonazis?

Another "when did you stop beating your wife" example.

Newsflash: intelligent people on both (all three if you're Jewish) sides of an argument don't need someone to "represent them" unless you're talking about political representation where it's required.

You and those who are perseverating about Rush Limpdick, Glenn Bonehead, and the others are making them the leaders of those who haven't necessarily chosen them. They're entertainers and they take your outrageous outrage with them to the bank.

So do Olbermann and his side. They're less successful, in my opinion, because their voices are more diffused in a dinosaur media which frequently leans their way.

To answer your question, no one always represents me. I honestly seldom turn on the television or listen to talk radio (I've never seen or heard more than a few minutes of a Limbaugh or Beck program) and prefer to read opinions on all sides online (LGF's linkviewer is very good) and via friends with whom I maintain an email correspondence. I enjoy editorials particularly and visit RealClearPolitics daily.

As I have written, I lean to the right. I frequently agree with the views of Charles Krauthammer, Mark Steyn, Victor Davis Hanson, and Jonah Goldberg, to name a few. But they don't "represent" me.

I think those who make claims that Alex Jones or Glenn Beck or (name your favorite bogeyman) represent the right are being very simplistic. Reading and laughing at a column doesn't make one agree with all or even most of someone's complete point of view.

As I've written, and unfortunately can't seem to get through to you, is that you are making these people, mostly entertainers who make a great living from fomenting controversy, into de facto leaders of those who haven't chosen them.

445 Bagua  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 2:56:32pm

re: #430 Steroid

That's awfully bigoted of you.

Nonsense, It is noble to be be dismissive and intolerant of biggots.

446 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 2:56:43pm

Gotta' go pick up The Kid from the pool.

447 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 2:57:41pm

re: #420 brookly red

no it is exactly the same. either private business has rights or it dose not. I believe it dose. But it can't go both ways if PayPal can reject so can Allstate.


If Allstate wants to put in its terms and conditions that it will not insure your pickup truck if you install chrome girl mud flaps, then it may.

It just cannot turn you down for being born in Arkansas (where they are all but mandatory)

448 cliffster  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 2:57:50pm

re: #446 MandyManners

Gotta' go pick up The Kid from the pool.

that's funny, I just got back from dropping some kids off at the pool...

449 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 2:58:02pm

re: #407 MandyManners

He does? Why? I thought Drudge had a reputation for being level-headed.

He's always been a little out there and not always trustworthy. He links to Alex Jones because the ideology is now mainstreamed on the right. There's very little difference between Alex Jones and Glenn Beck.

450 lostlakehiker  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 2:58:57pm

Is this a right wing blog? administration snubs offer of oil boom footage...
A large quantity of oil boom footage sits unused in Maine warehouses as the administration and BP do the dither dance.

451 brookly red  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 2:59:03pm

re: #442 Renaissance_Man

Private businesses do have rights. They have the right to refuse service based on such things as dress. They do not have the right to do it based on such things as race.

Why do you have the bizarre belief that they must either have the right to do anything they like, or no rights at all?

cause that is real (and thank you for being open minded) everyone screams injustice at some companies that discriminate & high five at others..

452 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 3:00:32pm

Hey now, the free market is only allowed to exclude and marginalize racial or religious minorities! When it tries to do the same to us white people (and even more especially evangelicals) then the courts and government need to step in to stop it!

As a "Tea Party supporter" I firmly support a drastically limited government for those "other people" but damnit I want extensive government and court backing my own personal beliefs!

///sigh...and they can't even recognize the irony of their position...

453 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 3:00:41pm

re: #444 Nekama

Ok, Go ahead and ignore the problem.

454 McSpiff  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 3:00:48pm

re: #451 brookly red

cause that is real (and thank you for being open minded) everyone screams injustice at some companies that discriminate & high five at others..

Its like different companies operate under different requirements and regulations. Too bad the world isn't black and white eh?

455 cliffster  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 3:01:35pm

re: #410 brookly red

sure I said before I wouldn't piss on her if she was on fire. So what? I agree that paypal has rights... so do insurance companies.

It's an interesting point you're making, but pretty high-level. There are clearly reasons why businesses sometimes have to be told how to conduct their business.. this paypal bit is pretty obviously not one of them.

456 allegro  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 3:01:35pm

re: #444 Nekama

As I've written, and unfortunately can't seem to get through to you, is that you are making these people, mostly entertainers who make a great living from fomenting controversy, into de facto leaders of those who haven't chosen them.

What might be escaping your notice is that the teabaggers who ARE led by those entertainers are the ones voting. If that isn't the case, why are Rand Paul, Sharron Angle, and Rubio winning the primaries?

457 Varek Raith  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 3:02:19pm

re: #451 brookly red

cause that is real (and thank you for being open minded) everyone screams injustice at some companies that discriminate & high five at others..

When Pam had PayPal on her site, she agreed to a Terms of Service. Meaning, she had a contract with PayPal not to do certain things. Spouting hate being one of them. She violated the ToS. PayPal cut off ties with her.

458 Nekama  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 3:02:24pm

re: #388 MandyManners

Didn't he shove Wright under the bus only after his attendance for 20 years became an issue?

Correct. One would think he would have figured it out even before Wright's church honored Farrakhan.

459 Targetpractice  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 3:03:26pm

re: #451 brookly red

cause that is real (and thank you for being open minded) everyone screams injustice at some companies that discriminate & high five at others..

I gotta ask, do you agree with an health insurance company taking your payments up until you're diagnosed with a major illness, then bouncing you by claiming that it counts as a "pre-existing condition" or finding some excuse to accuse you of lying to them when obtaining your policy and using that as a basis to cancel it?

460 Bagua  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 3:03:59pm

re: #444 Nekama

...

I think those who make claims that Alex Jones or Glenn Beck or (name your favorite bogeyman) represent the right are being very simplistic. Reading and laughing at a column doesn't make one agree with all or even most of someone's complete point of view.

They don't "represent the right," they infect it, that is the problem

As I've written, and unfortunately can't seem to get through to you, is that you are making these people, mostly entertainers who make a great living from fomenting controversy, into de facto leaders of those who haven't chosen them.

They are pundits, not entertainers. The infection must be cured for conservatism to be healthy. This means isolating nutters like Alex Jones and Glenn Beck into the fridge lunacy minority, not the main stream which they are gaining ground in. Mockery and expose of these clowns is healthy for conservatism in the long run.

461 abolitionist  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 3:04:04pm

US reacts to Kyrgyzstan coup
Quote (at about 1:20) - The reason for the intense interest from Russia and the US --they both have military bases there.

AlJazeeraEnglish — April 09, 2010 — The US has said that it will not take sides in Kyrgyzstan after opposition leaders seized power following nationwide protests.

But the Obama administration cancelled a scheduled meeting with the deposed foreign minister and instead communicated with the leaders of the new interim government.

The US maintains vital interests in Kyrgyzstan, which hosts a strategic military base that supplies Nato troops fighting in Afghanistan.

From a year ago: Kyrgyzstan police crack down on Muslims - 25 Mar 09

Kyrgyzstan & Islam - June 18, 2007

Narrator is apparently a Christian missionary who finds "radical muslims" easier to relate to than other more secular muslims. Sheesh.

462 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 3:04:36pm

re: #457 Varek Raith

When Pam had PayPal on her site, she agreed to a Terms of Service. Meaning, she had a contract with PayPal not to do certain things. Spouting hate being one of them. She violated the ToS. PayPal cut off ties with her.

I don't think she is capable of seeing it that way, she feels she has been arbitrarily singled out and persecuted for expressing her views.

Her only valid point is that PayPal should ensure that all hate sites are equally excluded.

463 Renaissance_Man  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 3:05:07pm

re: #451 brookly red

cause that is real (and thank you for being open minded) everyone screams injustice at some companies that discriminate & high five at others..

Because discriminating against hateful and unethical things is the right thing to do, and will thus be cheered. As individuals and as societies, we can make that value judgement - we can say that to discriminate against and shun evil things such as inciting of violence and hate speech is good and desirable. Similarly, we can make the value judgement that discrimination based on race, gender, political party or hair colour is wrong, and undesirable. That's what this is about. For some reason you seem to think it's about a false dichotomy of rights that doesn't exist.

464 cliffster  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 3:05:23pm

re: #439 Killgore Trout

Everything you said is just as weirdly conspiratorial as the conspiracy theories you claim are being embraced by the right. It's weird that you don't see the irony in embracing a conspiracy about people embracing conspiracies, but there it is.

465 albusteve  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 3:05:41pm

re: #444 Nekama

Another "when did you stop beating your wife" example.

Newsflash: intelligent people on both (all three if you're Jewish) sides of an argument don't need someone to "represent them" unless you're talking about political representation where it's required.

You and those who are perseverating about Rush Limpdick, Glenn Bonehead, and the others are making them the leaders of those who haven't necessarily chosen them. They're entertainers and they take your outrageous outrage with them to the bank.

So do Olbermann and his side. They're less successful, in my opinion, because their voices are more diffused in a dinosaur media which frequently leans their way.

To answer your question, no one always represents me. I honestly seldom turn on the television or listen to talk radio (I've never seen or heard more than a few minutes of a Limbaugh or Beck program) and prefer to read opinions on all sides online (LGF's linkviewer is very good) and via friends with whom I maintain an email correspondence. I enjoy editorials particularly and visit RealClearPolitics daily.

As I have written, I lean to the right. I frequently agree with the views of Charles Krauthammer, Mark Steyn, Victor Davis Hanson, and Jonah Goldberg, to name a few. But they don't "represent" me.

I think those who make claims that Alex Jones or Glenn Beck or (name your favorite bogeyman) represent the right are being very simplistic. Reading and laughing at a column doesn't make one agree with all or even most of someone's complete point of view.

As I've written, and unfortunately can't seem to get through to you, is that you are making these people, mostly entertainers who make a great living from fomenting controversy, into de facto leaders of those who haven't chosen them.


agreed, I've said it all along....they feast off their critics

466 Nekama  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 3:06:20pm

re: #453 Killgore Trout

Ok, Go ahead and ignore the problem.

Sorry if you can't understand the answer.

467 Varek Raith  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 3:06:31pm

re: #444 Nekama

Ignoring them won't make them go away.
But, whatever, bury your head in the sand.

468 Targetpractice  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 3:06:49pm

re: #462 ralphieboy

I don't think she is capable of seeing it that way, she feels she has been arbitrarily singled out and persecuted for expressing her views.

Her only valid point is that PayPal should ensure that all hate sites are equally excluded.

And if one of her supporters can dig up proof that Paypal has been alerted on other hate sites and done nothing, then she might have a case.

469 Bagua  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 3:07:17pm

Girl From the North Country

MP3 Audio

- Dylan/Cash -Nashville Skyline session
470 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 3:08:28pm

re: #464 cliffster

Everything you said is just as weirdly conspiratorial as the conspiracy theories you claim are being embraced by the right. It's weird that you don't see the irony in embracing a conspiracy about people embracing conspiracies, but there it is.

So complaining about Drudge linking to Alex Jones and Glenn Beck promoting the Birch society is a conspiracy to you?

471 brookly red  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 3:08:30pm

re: #455 cliffster

It's an interesting point you're making, but pretty high-level. There are clearly reasons why businesses sometimes have to be told how to conduct their business.. this paypal bit is pretty obviously not one of them.

OK so we established that private companies have the right to discriminate... so let us follow it to its logical conclusion. Rand Paul.

472 freetoken  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 3:09:15pm

re: #464 cliffster

Should we pretend then that the current and proposed legislation in AZ, the takeover of the TX GOP by even farther right than Perry activists, of the rather radical (or better yet, reactionary) changes in the GOP platforms in several states, and the various invasive medical mandatory procedures in abortion laws from OK to FL (which was thankfully vetoed by Crist)... and so on and so on... do not exist?

Should we pretend there are no representatives on floors of various statehouse ranting about the NAU and UN takeover?

473 Nekama  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 3:09:20pm

re: #456 allegro

What might be escaping your notice is that the teabaggers who ARE led by those entertainers are the ones voting. If that isn't the case, why are Rand Paul, Sharron Angle, and Rubio winning the primaries?

Because primary voters tend to be the most ideologically committed.

And they may need to be committed. Harry Reid is salivating over his prospects come November.

474 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 3:09:40pm

re: #466 Nekama

I don't recall you defending Kos when they used to associate with Alex Jones. We used to point it out here all the time.

475 darthstar  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 3:09:42pm

re: #448 cliffster

that's funny, I just got back from dropping some kids off at the pool...

Best euphemism for taking a shit, ever.

476 brookly red  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 3:10:05pm

re: #473 Nekama

Because primary voters tend to be the most ideologically committed.

And they may need to be committed. Harry Reid is salivating over his prospects come November.

no that is drooling...

477 Varek Raith  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 3:10:35pm

re: #471 brookly red

OK so we established that private companies have the right to discriminate... so let us follow it to its logical conclusion. Rand Paul.

Can you see in grayscale?
So, what about the limits on free speech?
Should I be allowed to say anything I want without consequence?

478 Political Atheist  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 3:10:41pm

re: #468 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

"Hate sight" will be a rather subjective call. The extremes are easy but then it gets tougher from there right? Plus they have to start somewhere. youtube has had its sweeps as per issues of the moment, like the use or depiction of "retarded" characters or the word itself.

This could get pretty thick lawyer wise.

479 cliffster  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 3:12:09pm

re: #470 Killgore Trout

So complaining about Drudge linking to Alex Jones and Glenn Beck promoting the Birch society is a conspiracy to you?

yes.

480 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 3:13:08pm

re: #471 brookly red

OK so we established that private companies have the right to discriminate... so let us follow it to its logical conclusion. Rand Paul.

Ýes, they do. The Civil Rights Act says that race and religion may not be grounds for discrimination. The recent Health Care Reform Act tells insurance companies that pre-existing conditions may not be a reason to deny coverage.

But there is still plenty of room to be discriminating in one's taste in customers.

481 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 3:13:22pm

re: #462 ralphieboy

Her only valid point is that PayPal should ensure that all hate sites are equally excluded.

I don't agree that this is a valid point. PayPal has no responsibility to now go out and exclude a whole bunch of sites that Pamela Geller considers hate sites.

If you think a site violates PayPal's acceptable use policy, go file a complaint with PayPal. Just because they enforce their policy in one case does not mean they have the responsibility to go out looking for more cases.

482 allegro  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 3:13:36pm

re: #473 Nekama

H

arry Reid is salivating over his prospects come November.

Which he can now because of the teabagger nut-case who won the Republican primary. He was toast until then.

483 cliffster  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 3:14:09pm

re: #472 freetoken

Nope, don't pretend they don't exist, just confront ideas you don't like head-on.

484 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 3:14:24pm

re: #464 cliffster

Everything you said is just as weirdly conspiratorial as the conspiracy theories you claim are being embraced by the right. It's weird that you don't see the irony in embracing a conspiracy about people embracing conspiracies, but there it is.

Absolutely not. KT's comment was completely on the mark, and there's nothing "conspiratorial" about it. The connections he's talking about are documented facts.

485 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 3:14:44pm

re: #479 cliffster

yes.

Ok, I wasn't aware anyone left here was still in denial about that. Good luck with that.

486 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 3:15:22pm

re: #481 Charles

I don't agree that this is a valid point. PayPal has no responsibility to now go out and exclude a whole bunch of sites that Pamela Geller considers hate sites.

If you think a site violates PayPal's acceptable use policy, go file a complaint with PayPal. Just because they enforce their policy in one case does not mean they have the responsibility to go out looking for more cases.


I guess Pam should be doing that at this point, she is the offended party. I somehow suspect that she will , and make a big fuss over it.

487 freetoken  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 3:15:25pm

re: #483 cliffster

Nope, don't pretend they don't exist, just confront ideas you don't like head-on.

May I suggest that is exactly what KT and Charles are doing?

488 Renaissance_Man  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 3:15:32pm

re: #471 brookly red

OK so we established that private companies have the right to discriminate... so let us follow it to its logical conclusion. Rand Paul.

It's not a logical conclusion. It's totally illogical to believe that a private company either has the right to discriminate in anything, or discriminate in nothing. It's a completely false dichotomy. This is not an either/or situation.

It's really simple. You can discriminate over some things, but not over others. That's all.

489 Nekama  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 3:16:21pm

re: #474 Killgore Trout

I don't recall you defending Kos when they used to associate with Alex Jones. We used to point it out here all the time.

I'm not defending Jones or anyone else. I've merely been pointing out that the asshattery exists on both sides and that you're giving him, Limpdick, and the others leadership status over those, like me, who haven't chosen him as a leader.

490 brookly red  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 3:16:35pm

re: #477 Varek Raith

Can you see in grayscale?
So, what about the limits on free speech?
Should I be allowed to say anything I want without consequence?

sure you can and what does that have to do with a private business? if paypal has the right to discriminate so do we all. So careful what you ask for because one mans selectivity is another's discrimination.

491 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 3:16:39pm

re: #487 freetoken

May I suggest that is exactly what KT and Charles are doing?

Shhh! It's a conspiracy!

492 Varek Raith  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 3:17:23pm

re: #490 brookly red

sure you can and what does that have to do with a private business? if paypal has the right to discriminate so do we all. So careful what you ask for because one mans selectivity is another's discrimination.

Sigh.
You only see black and white on this issue.
It's all or nothing, huh?

493 cliffster  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 3:17:50pm

re: #484 Charles

Absolutely not. KT's comment was completely on the mark, and there's nothing "conspiratorial" about it. The connections he's talking about are documented facts.

The importance of which are blown completely out of proportion. And when it's people with a partisan agenda doing so, that's just a case in point. I don't think you have a partisan agenda. I think that the majority of the people going on about it do.

494 Bagua  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 3:18:25pm

re: #489 Nekama

I'm not defending Jones or anyone else. I've merely been pointing out that the asshattery exists on both sides and that you're giving him, Limpdick, and the others leadership status over those, like me, who haven't chosen him as a leader.

So join us with mocking and hounding these goons back into the far-fringe where they belong with the rest of the tin foil hat community.

495 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 3:18:36pm

re: #490 brookly red

sure you can and what does that have to do with a private business? if paypal has the right to discriminate so do we all. So careful what you ask for because one mans selectivity is another's discrimination.


Just not based on race, religion or disabilities. Those are the limits. The rest is up to the businessperson.

496 brookly red  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 3:18:59pm

re: #488 Renaissance_Man

It's not a logical conclusion. It's totally illogical to believe that a private company either has the right to discriminate in anything, or discriminate in nothing. It's a completely false dichotomy. This is not an either/or situation.

It's really simple. You can discriminate over some things, but not over others. That's all.

oh really do tell, so if you agree with ends the discrimination means is OK?

497 Targetpractice  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 3:19:26pm

re: #481 Charles

I don't agree that this is a valid point. PayPal has no responsibility to now go out and exclude a whole bunch of sites that Pamela Geller considers hate sites.

If you think a site violates PayPal's acceptable use policy, go file a complaint with PayPal. Just because they enforce their policy in one case does not mean they have the responsibility to go out looking for more cases.

Precisely. There's a reason that "alert" buttons exist on message boards and blogs, because the people running them are not always there and cannot read every post as soon as its posted. The same is true for Paypal: They cannot keep watch over every site they do business with 24/7 and so saying that because this site hasn't been warned and that has one has that the first is being "condoned" is disingenuous.

498 brookly red  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 3:19:50pm

re: #492 Varek Raith

Sigh.
You only see black and white on this issue.
It's all or nothing, huh?

freedom is not a grey scale, it is black & white.

499 A Man for all Seasons  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 3:19:53pm

re: #481 Charles

I don't agree that this is a valid point. PayPal has no responsibility to now go out and exclude a whole bunch of sites that Pamela Geller considers hate sites.

If you think a site violates PayPal's acceptable use policy, go file a complaint with PayPal. Just because they enforce their policy in one case does not mean they have the responsibility to go out looking for more cases.

Pam has been tagged forever as a hate site by Paypal...No matter what happens from now on she cannot out run the tag as a hate site..Even if she wins a lawsuit..She is tagged..
Sometimes I think there is Justice in this world Charles...

500 cliffster  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 3:20:49pm

re: #487 freetoken

May I suggest that is exactly what KT and Charles are doing?

If you like. If you don't think that people with a liberal agenda are not taking these sorts of things and trumping them up as much as possible, for political gain, then you are hopelessly naive. I've already stated above that I don't think Charles is one of those people.

501 freetoken  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 3:20:54pm

Put in the Pages a new opinion piece that looks at the Tea Party-ism in our current politics. Kind of frightening.

502 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 3:21:02pm

OT: I finally figured out how to play 5.1 surround sound from DVDs I've imported into iTunes via Handbrake.

Here's the method: [Link: www.macworld.com...]

It works. Lord of the Rings has much more awesome sauce with 5.1 sound.

503 Henchman Ghazi-808  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 3:21:12pm

Aloha Hoosier.

504 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 3:21:23pm

re: #489 Nekama

I'm not defending Jones or anyone else. I've merely been pointing out that the asshattery exists on both sides and that you're giving him, Limpdick, and the others leadership status over those, like me, who haven't chosen him as a leader.

I never denied it didn't exist on both sides. In fact I've pointed out that LGF used to slam Dkos for linking to Alex Jones.

Do you want some sort of affirmative action quotas system on LGF? With threads evenly divided between criticizing left and right?

I want bigots, racists, neonazis and conspiracy loons out of our political discourse no matter whose side their on. I see no need to give Crazy Pam a pass and politely ignore her connections to European neoNazis. What kind of person would do that?

505 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 3:21:48pm

re: #498 brookly red

freedom is not a grey scale, it is black & white.


I though it was red and blue...

506 bratwurst  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 3:21:59pm

re: #498 brookly red

freedom is not a grey scale, it is black & white.

So "fire!" in a crowded theater it is!

507 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 3:22:16pm

Did I just time travel back to LGF from last year?

508 avanti  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 3:22:24pm

re: #164 Killgore Trout

Another comment on Pam's site...


lol

The part about shutting down parts of the net are true. i.e. in the event of a massive cyber attack the government could shut down some affected portions of the net. In other words, we might lose access to LGF to protect the military infrastructure. BTW, it has some GOP support.

509 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 3:22:36pm

Do I have the right to shout "theater!" at a crowded fire?

510 Varek Raith  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 3:22:41pm

re: #507 Killgore Trout

Did I just time travel back to LGF from last year?

This is the Twilight Zone.

511 A Man for all Seasons  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 3:23:02pm

re: #503 BigPapa

Aloha Hoosier.

What up my Brother? Are you going to be drinking Kona Coffee and watching the Finals tonight?
I hate you!
*wink*

512 Henchman Ghazi-808  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 3:23:17pm

re: #502 Charles
What do you have for your 5.1 speaker setup?

513 Varek Raith  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 3:23:28pm

re: #506 bratwurst

So "fire!" in a crowded theater it is!

No, you can't say that.

re: #509 ralphieboy

Do I have the right to shout "theater!" at a crowded fire?

Yes, you can say that.

514 allegro  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 3:23:42pm

re: #506 bratwurst

So "fire!" in a crowded theater it is!

By the black and white reasoning, so is murder, rape, theft...

515 Henchman Ghazi-808  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 3:25:02pm

re: #504 Killgore Trout

Do you want some sort of affirmative action quotas system on LGF? With threads evenly divided between criticizing left and right?

Good one KT.

516 Bagua  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 3:25:11pm

re: #496 brookly red

oh really do tell, so if you agree with ends the discrimination means is OK?

Example restaurant: Discrimination against black employees, bad, discrimination against rat turds in the soup, good.

re: #498 brookly red

freedom is not a grey scale, it is black & white.

No freedom for the pro rat turd chefs. Freedom is conditional.

517 brookly red  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 3:25:24pm

re: #506 bratwurst

So "fire!" in a crowded theater it is!

you are not providing an intelligent input.

518 Henchman Ghazi-808  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 3:26:16pm

re: #511 HoosierHoops

Nope, a chateneuf du papa and billing/estimating documents. But I'll listen to Pandora!

519 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 3:27:02pm

re: #512 BigPapa

What do you have for your 5.1 speaker setup?

On the computer I have a Logitech 5.1 system.

520 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 3:27:03pm

re: #504 Killgore Trout

Do you want some sort of affirmative action quotas system on LGF? With threads evenly divided between criticizing left and right?

Let's establish a Ministry of Fairness and Balance to moderate all news reports, articles and blog entries.

/

521 freetoken  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 3:27:09pm

re: #500 cliffster

If you don't think that people with a liberal agenda are not taking these sorts of things and trumping them up as much as possible, for political gain, then you are hopelessly naive. I've already stated above that I don't think Charles is one of those people.

Ah yes, that nasty "liberal agenda."

You didn't name names, but I presume you mean people like some of the talking heads on MSNBC and such.

They are rightfully making hay out of the idiocies of the JBS, the Pauls, Jones, Beck, AZ legislators, etc. That self-declared "conservative" politicians run after the far-right ideologues is something that ought to be mocked, scorned, and derided.

522 brookly red  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 3:28:01pm

I said all I got to say, if you want your rights decided by paypal well surely you will have your wish.

523 bratwurst  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 3:30:04pm

re: #517 brookly red

you are not providing an intelligent input.

I will if you will.

524 Targetpractice  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 3:30:32pm

re: #522 brookly red

I said all I got to say, if you want your rights decided by paypal well surely you will have your wish.

My friend, tilting at that windmill is only going to give you a headache. By no stretch of the imagination has Paypal violated Geller's freedom of speech, only exercised their freedom of association. If you don't like that, you're free to join the others on her site in voicing your displeasure.

525 Henchman Ghazi-808  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 3:30:37pm

re: #519 Charles

Oh, those Logitech getups are pretty sweet. I was wondering if you had something like this, but you probably need to own PayPal to afford one.

526 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 3:30:47pm

re: #522 brookly red

I said all I got to say, if you want your rights decided by paypal well surely you will have your wish.


If you disagree with their terms and conditions, then don't go there.

If you are a vegetarian, then don't go to a rib joint.

If PayPal tells you they won't serve you because you are black, Jewish or crippled then they are in violation of the law. They can place most any other restrictions they like on their terms and conditions and enforce them as they see fit.

527 Varek Raith  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 3:31:06pm

re: #525 BigPapa

Oh, those Logitech getups are pretty sweet. I was wondering if you had something like this, but you probably need to own PayPal to afford one.

I WANT.

528 Bagua  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 3:31:39pm

Freedom

Youtube Video

- Richie Havens at Woodstock
529 cliffster  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 3:34:14pm

re: #521 freetoken

Some people think there's a plot to have the USA suddenly taken over by communists, some people think there's a plot to have the USA suddenly taken back to jim crow days. I roll my eyes at these things. If you want to take it seriously, that's your bag.

530 allegro  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 3:34:43pm

Quite a number of years ago, I wanted to see the movie "Last Temptation of Christ". A major video chain (*koff* Blockbuster *koff*) refused to stock it, considering it offensive or something on religious grounds. That was their right. Just as it was my right to no longer rent movies from their company. I still won't.

531 cliffster  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 3:35:18pm

re: #530 allegro

nice

532 Varek Raith  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 3:35:42pm

re: #530 allegro

Quite a number of years ago, I wanted to see the movie "Last Temptation of Christ". A major video chain (*koff* Blockbuster *koff*) refused to stock it, considering it offensive or something on religious grounds. That was their right. Just as it was my right to no longer rent movies from their company. I still won't.

Bleh, Blockbuster. There rental fees on games are ludicrous. I might as well go and buy the damn game.
:/

533 brookly red  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 3:36:03pm

re: #530 allegro

Quite a number of years ago, I wanted to see the movie "Last Temptation of Christ". A major video chain (*koff* Blockbuster *koff*) refused to stock it, considering it offensive or something on religious grounds. That was their right. Just as it was my right to no longer rent movies from their company. I still won't.

yup it is like that.

534 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 3:37:52pm

re: #493 cliffster

The importance of which are blown completely out of proportion. And when it's people with a partisan agenda doing so, that's just a case in point. I don't think you have a partisan agenda. I think that the majority of the people going on about it do.

I'll admit that I have a partisan agenda. I do not want these goons and conspiracy kooks having the kind of influence they currently do in my fuckin' party.

535 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 3:37:52pm

re: #471 brookly red

OK so we established that private companies have the right to discriminate... so let us follow it to its logical conclusion. Rand Paul.

You brought this up yesterday, and it was just as rock stupid then. All discrimination is not equal, race based discrimination is illegal because the right to be equal and live in a desegregated society trumps the individual business owners right to be a racist tool. Discriminating against an individual person because they have a documented history of spewing hate filled lunacy is is protected freedom of association. But you're being deliberately ignorant and obtuse, as usual.

As I said yesterday, Paypal doesn't associate with Louis Farrakhan or the Nation of Islam either, yet somehow we don't see you getting into a tizzy over that.

536 Ziggy Standard  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 3:38:23pm

re: #409 MandyManners

BTW, I've not heard of any wing-nut site promoting anti-semitic conspiracies

Excuse me, but you have linked to wingnut sites promoting anti-semitic conspiracy theories here yourself - more than once in fact - and Charles has deleted them.

537 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 3:38:26pm

re: #530 allegro

Quite a number of years ago, I wanted to see the movie "Last Temptation of Christ". A major video chain (*koff* Blockbuster *koff*) refused to stock it, considering it offensive or something on religious grounds. That was their right. Just as it was my right to no longer rent movies from their company. I still won't.

There was another company "Family Films" I believe that offered edited "cleaned up" versions of big hits, but I believe they ran into licensing and copyright issues with the film companies.

538 Nekama  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 3:38:52pm

re: #494 Bagua

So join us with mocking and hounding these goons back into the far-fringe where they belong with the rest of the tin foil hat community.

Do as you please. I'm more concerned about the increasing likelihood of nuclear war due to Iran and Israel's perception of existential threat from those looking for a reunion with the 12th Imam.

I used to think that it wasn't possible to see greater incompetence in the White House than GWB. I assailed him regularly over our self defeating energy policy and Saudi jizz on his chin. And then we got Obama.

He's got a crude oil soaked opportunity for him to exercise some leadership washing up on Gulf Coast beaches. For a man who sees the environmental danger of continuing to burn fossil fuels - and who is advised to never let a crisis go to waste - he is disquietingly silent.

NOW is the opportunity to embrace a Manhattan Project style initiative toward energy independence and renewables. His leadership could make A Better Place a reality in our country. There should be no fear that the 30% Federal Tax Grant for renewables will expire at the end of this year, so that we continue to see solar panels on the roofs of buildings (Van Jones wasn't wrong about the Green Economy).

But he has been like Hamlet. And as Charles used to write, the "blind and toothless" atomic watchdogs are, with Obama's blessing, about to focus on Israel's defensive nuclear capablities while doing little to stop Irans offensive initiative.

Armageddon is in the on deck circle.

IMHO, Alex Jones and who leads the right is not what really matters.

Nice chatting with you all.

539 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 3:40:13pm

re: #537 ralphieboy

There was another company "Family Films" I believe that offered edited "cleaned up" versions of big hits, but I believe they ran into licensing and copyright issues with the film companies.


Seems they did, after all

[Link: www.daytondailynews.com...]

540 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 3:40:53pm

re: #536 jimmah

Hi you!
Ice too!

541 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 3:40:58pm

re: #522 brookly red

I said all I got to say, if you want your rights decided by paypal well surely you will have your wish.

Not this again. Paypal has done nothing more than exercise their rights, and have done absolutely nothing to decide Pammy's or anyone else's.

542 cliffster  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 3:42:21pm

re: #534 Slumbering Behemoth

I'll admit that I have a partisan agenda. I do not want these goons and conspiracy kooks having the kind of influence they currently do in my fuckin' party.

Vote.

543 Decatur Deb  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 3:42:48pm

BBL

544 allegro  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 3:42:58pm

re: #538 Nekama

He's got a crude oil soaked opportunity for him to exercise some leadership washing up on Gulf Coast beaches. For a man who sees the environmental danger of continuing to burn fossil fuels - and who is advised to never let a crisis go to waste - he is disquietingly silent.

NOW is the opportunity to embrace a Manhattan Project style initiative toward energy independence and renewables. His leadership could make A Better Place a reality in our country. There should be no fear that the 30% Federal Tax Grant for renewables will expire at the end of this year, so that we continue to see solar panels on the roofs of buildings (Van Jones wasn't wrong about the Green Economy).

Serious upding for THIS.

545 brookly red  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 3:44:45pm

re: #541 Slumbering Behemoth

Not this again. Paypal has done nothing more than exercise their rights, and have done absolutely nothing to decide Pammy's or anyone else's.

exactly they have rights, so do does every other business and when some other business exercises them don't scream discrimination cause you set the precedence right here.

546 Renaissance_Man  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 3:44:49pm

re: #498 brookly red

freedom is not a grey scale, it is black & white.

That's totally false. All of us are free to do some things, but not others. We don't have to be free to do anything to be free.

547 Ziggy Standard  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 3:45:03pm

re: #540 Floral Giraffe

Hi you!
Ice too!

Hi FG :) Ice says hi too. Hope you are well!

548 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 3:45:07pm

re: #522 brookly red

I said all I got to say, if you want your rights decided by paypal well surely you will have your wish.

Lord, what a pig ignorant goddamned tool you are. Be consistent and tell us why Paypal should associate itself with Louis Farrakhan or just shut the fuck up already.

549 Targetpractice  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 3:46:03pm

re: #530 allegro

Quite a number of years ago, I wanted to see the movie "Last Temptation of Christ". A major video chain (*koff* Blockbuster *koff*) refused to stock it, considering it offensive or something on religious grounds. That was their right. Just as it was my right to no longer rent movies from their company. I still won't.

Wal-Mart refuses to sell any music albums that carry the "Parental Advisory Label," but will carry the "radio-safe" versions that some studios offer just to get past such blocks.

550 allegro  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 3:46:57pm

re: #549 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Wal-Mart refuses to sell any music albums that carry the "Parental Advisory Label," but will carry the "radio-safe" versions that some studios offer just to get past such blocks.

That's cool and their right. I shop elsewhere. :)

551 Targetpractice  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 3:47:04pm

re: #545 brookly red

exactly they have rights, so do does every other business and when some other business exercises them don't scream discrimination cause you set the precedence right here.

I was unaware of a Right to Screw Over Customers. Must have missed that one.

552 windsagio  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 3:47:10pm

re: #549 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Well I wouldn't buy anything from walmart anyways >>

553 Varek Raith  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 3:47:30pm

re: #548 goddamnedfrank

Come on now. I think he's wrong, but there's no need to be hostile about it.

554 Ziggy Standard  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 3:47:39pm

I'm guessing some sort of clanking or buzzing sounds coming from the laundry area about now?

555 brookly red  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 3:48:05pm

re: #548 goddamnedfrank

Lord, what a pig ignorant goddamned tool you are. Be consistent and tell us why Paypal should associate itself with Louis Farrakhan or just shut the fuck up already.

bite me with your Farrakhan nonsense... has he committed a crime ? did Reverend Wright ? you just spray foulness like a skunk when scared.

556 lostlakehiker  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 3:48:27pm

re: #333 brookly red

Yup Insurance companies don't have to insure people they don't want to be associated with... and banks don't have to loan to losers. This was so refreshing free markets work.

When banks do lend to losers, they are not repaid. Why would you want to lend $400000 to somebody making $15000 a year? So what if it helps them buy the house of their dreams? You have to know that only an eternal bull market in housing will allow you to recover the sum you lent.

Loans ought to be arrangements in which the lender rational expects to be repaid. Anything else is just squandering your own money, if you're the lender, or taxpayer money, if the taxpayer, through Fannie and Freddie or TARP, is going to pick up the tab.

557 windsagio  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 3:49:26pm

re: #545 brookly red

There are rights to rights. Accepting that they have the right to refuse business in some circumstances (barring federal law, natch), doesn't mean they automatically have a whole slew of other rights just because that one was acknowledged.

558 Targetpractice  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 3:50:16pm

re: #550 allegro

That's cool and their right. I shop elsewhere. :)

Exactly. I have no problem with it, because I don't go to Wally-world for music anyway.

559 Ziggy Standard  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 3:50:28pm

re: #548 goddamnedfrank

Lord, what a pig ignorant goddamned tool you are. Be consistent and tell us why Paypal should associate itself with Louis Farrakhan or just shut the fuck up already.

Quoted for truth.

560 Renaissance_Man  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 3:50:45pm

re: #496 brookly red

oh really do tell, so if you agree with ends the discrimination means is OK?

More importantly, if our laws and our social, ethical and moral codes agrees with the 'discrimination', it's okay. Our laws and codes agree that to discriminate in some cases, such as being shirtless in a restaurant or against certain kinds of speech, is okay. Similarly, they agree that it's not okay in other cases, such as for being black or gay. Your black and white, all or nothing, argument is simplistic and obtuse, and is completely inapplicable in the world.

561 brookly red  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 3:52:02pm

Like I said I said all I got to say. You can spin it six ways to Sunday for all I care, but I don't remember voting for paypal... have fun people I and going to.

562 windsagio  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 3:52:54pm

re: #560 Renaissance_Man

Its even simpler than that, discrimination is always (legally) ok, unless specifically blocked by local, state, or federal government.

You can kick somebody out for being an ass, or you can kick a cop out from your coffee shop, but there are laws about discrimination against protected classes.

563 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 3:53:16pm

re: #555 brookly red

bite me with your Farrakhan nonsense... has he committed a crime ? did Reverend Wright ? you just spray foulness like a skunk when scared.

Let#s try this again: business may discriminate, just not on race, religion or physical handicaps. Other than that, they can be as discriminating as they want.

564 Targetpractice  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 3:53:19pm

Brookly, it seems you're outraged that we're defending Paypal's decision but not extending our arguments to include the insurance companies as a means of criticizing Obamacare. Guess what, there's a reason why the health insurance companies have developed a bad reputation over the years, and while all of it may not be warranted, the majority of it is justified.

565 Varek Raith  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 3:54:44pm

Later gators!

566 KDS1  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 3:54:47pm

re: #563 ralphieboy

Let#s try this again: business may discriminate, just not on race, religion or physical handicaps. Other than that, they can be as discriminating as they want.

I'm not sure they can discriminate on base of occupation.

567 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 3:55:57pm

re: #545 brookly red

exactly they have rights, so do does every other business and when some other business exercises them don't scream discrimination cause you set the precedence right here.

The only person whining about it is you, Geller and her mouth-breathing fans.
re: #553 Varek Raith

Come on now. I think he's wrong, but there's no need to be hostile about it.

Presenting this as discrimination consistent with Rand Paul's position on the Civil Rights Act is offensive. Equating legal free association based on past performance as equivalent to race based discrimination in public accommodations goes beyond deliberate ignorance, and I cannot be kind about that.

568 Gus  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 3:56:40pm

This point is excellent:

The pathetically ironic part of all this yelling and whining: these are the same people who insist that businesses have an absolute right to deny service to anyone for any reason.

To which I would add in my currently somnambulating state: Pay Pal is not a right. Tough shit and checkmate.

569 cliffster  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 3:56:53pm

re: #485 Killgore Trout

Ok, I wasn't aware anyone left here was still in denial about that. Good luck with that.

What exactly is it that you're worried about? What is the fallout that you see coming from these horrible connections you're describing? Take a step back and ask yourself.. "ok, I'm saying that the country is going to be driven to X... does this seem like a reasonable thing to be worried about?"

570 lostlakehiker  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 3:57:22pm

re: #459 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I gotta ask, do you agree with an health insurance company taking your payments up until you're diagnosed with a major illness, then bouncing you by claiming that it counts as a "pre-existing condition" or finding some excuse to accuse you of lying to them when obtaining your policy and using that as a basis to cancel it?

That's fraud on their part and it should be severely punished. The conservative position includes the teaching that one of the main reasons we have laws is to forbid the use of force [not counting self-defense] and fraud and punish those who resort to those methods anyhow.

If you develop lung cancer and you lied and said you never smoked when in fact you were two packs a day for a decade, that's your tough luck. Your policy should be canceled. You are the one who resorted to fraud. But if they claim you omitted to mention the skinned knee you got at school once, when they ask if you ever suffered an injury that required medical treatment, that's fraud on their part. The skinned knee has nothing to do with the lung cancer, and trivialities are no grounds for revoking a contract.

One of the main reasons we keep looking for new laws that will bring justice is that the old laws aren't enforced.

571 bratwurst  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 3:57:31pm

re: #561 brookly red

I don't remember voting for paypal.

Maybe if you repeat this enough it will somehow become relevant.

572 [deleted]  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 3:57:59pm
573 cliffster  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 3:58:35pm

re: #548 goddamnedfrank

Lord, what a pig ignorant goddamned tool you are. Be consistent and tell us why Paypal should associate itself with Louis Farrakhan or just shut the fuck up already.

I don't agree with what he's saying, but there's no reason to be an asshole about it.

574 Gus  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 3:59:38pm

re: #572 miguelj

Save that for Free Republic.

575 Renaissance_Man  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 3:59:43pm

re: #572 miguelj

Just. Awesome.

576 windsagio  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 3:59:53pm

re: #572 miguelj

Please stick around; we need more folks like you around for the dead times >>

577 Targetpractice  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 4:00:05pm

re: #570 lostlakehiker

That's fraud on their part and it should be severely punished. The conservative position includes the teaching that one of the main reasons we have laws is to forbid the use of force [not counting self-defense] and fraud and punish those who resort to those methods anyhow.

If you develop lung cancer and you lied and said you never smoked when in fact you were two packs a day for a decade, that's your tough luck. Your policy should be canceled. You are the one who resorted to fraud. But if they claim you omitted to mention the skinned knee you got at school once, when they ask if you ever suffered an injury that required medical treatment, that's fraud on their part. The skinned knee has nothing to do with the lung cancer, and trivialities are no grounds for revoking a contract.

One of the main reasons we keep looking for new laws that will bring justice is that the old laws aren't enforced.

Which is a major part of the problem. There's thousands of the laws on the books that are either not enforced or not properly enforced. It's like all the calls for new regulations on the oil industry in the wake of the Deep Horizon spill, when it was not a lack of proper regulations that lead to the spill but a failure to enforce the ones already in place. We keep working under this misguided belief that if a crime happens, it's not because the law wasn't enforced, it's because we just didn't have a proper law on the books. We already have plenty of regulation, it's a lack of enforcement that's the problem.

578 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 4:00:28pm

re: #542 cliffster

Vote.

I'll do more than that. I call out the POS's like Beck, The Birchers, and so on who keep trying to exercise influence in my party, and support those who point out such nonsense for what it is.

579 cliffster  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 4:01:30pm

re: #572 miguelj

get a life

580 windsagio  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 4:01:40pm

re: #578 Slumbering Behemoth

Really well said. Voting isn't enough, when they're developing a really good propaganda mechanism and have good $$$ backing.

581 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 4:02:03pm

re: #572 miguelj

Not quite sure why it's either bizarre or racist to say that Obama might be the natural son of Malcolm X.

How about fucking stupid, pointless and dishonest?

582 cliffster  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 4:02:22pm

re: #578 Slumbering Behemoth

I'll do more than that. I call out the POS's like Beck, The Birchers, and so on who keep trying to exercise influence in my party, and support those who point out such nonsense for what it is.

And when done with the motives that you have, I'm right behind you.

583 lostlakehiker  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 4:02:37pm

re: #560 Renaissance_Man

More importantly, if our laws and our social, ethical and moral codes agrees with the 'discrimination', it's okay. Our laws and codes agree that to discriminate in some cases, such as being shirtless in a restaurant or against certain kinds of speech, is okay. Similarly, they agree that it's not okay in other cases, such as for being black or gay. Your black and white, all or nothing, argument is simplistic and obtuse, and is completely inapplicable in the world.

Actually, in many states and for purposes of some federal laws, our laws do not say that discrimination on the basis of being gay is illegal. And in some cases, discrimination has a rational justification.

No boy scout organization in its right mind would send an ordinary healthy young heterosexual man to lead an outing of 14-year old girls. That's playing with fire. For the exact same reason, it is unwise to send an ordinary healthy young homosexual man to lead an outing of 14-year old boys. One expects that 98% of the time, nothing untoward would happen, either way. Most men, straight or gay, are honorable. But experience has shown that some are not, and that it is unwise to lead people into temptation.

584 allegro  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 4:03:24pm

re: #581 Slumbering Behemoth

How about fucking stupid, pointless and dishonest?

But... but... he LOOKS like him! He's, yanno, BLACK! It's gotta be true!///////

585 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 4:07:34pm

re: #545 brookly red

exactly they have rights, so do does every other business and when some other business exercises them don't scream discrimination cause you set the precedence right here.

Brother, you just don't get it. There is a huge world of difference between not wanting to do business with a bigoted hate monger, and something like this.

586 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 4:07:38pm

re: #555 brookly red

Brookly, the only one out of line here right now is you. You're flinging the insults.

587 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 4:09:02pm

re: #572 miguelj

Well, here's someone well can all agree is a loon.

588 bratwurst  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 4:10:23pm

re: #587 Dark_Falcon

Well, here's someone well can all agree is a loon.

The class of 2004 has a way of bringing people together like that.

589 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 4:10:34pm

re: #586 Dark_Falcon

Brookly, the only one out of line here right now is you. You're flinging the insults.

They're getting flung both ways. I think we can hash this out without them.

590 abolitionist  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 4:10:37pm

re: #586 Dark_Falcon

re: #587 Dark_Falcon

I believe you contradict yourself.

591 Ziggy Standard  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 4:10:55pm

re: #298 Killgore Trout

They have. That's the problem.

Exactly.

592 lostlakehiker  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 4:11:44pm

re: #572 miguelj

Not quite sure why it's either bizarre or racist to say that Obama might be the natural son of Malcolm X. Look at the facial geometrics of those two, and then of Obama Sr. Who does he look more like? Plus, would there have been the opportunity for Ann Dunham to have met Malcolm? Apparently so.
Even more to the point--so what? Malcolm X was a mixture of bad and good, but even if he'd been all bad, why should that be to Obama's discredit?

Not sure? It's bizarre because there is just no ground for such a suggestion. Why would not the husband of record be the father? That's how things are most of the time. And if not him, then why not one of a million possibilities that aren't politically charged? And finally, could there be a sharper contrast in character and degree of levelheadedness than between Obama and Malcolm? The two are poles apart in temperament.

As to your "so what", Malcolm X has a very bad reputation in some circles. Much of it well deserved. Since personality is to some extent heritable, anyone who bought into that claim would be inclined to think it likely that such personality features would eventually surface in Obama. They would be inclined to vote against him, for instance. This canard is not inconsequential.

As to racist, I'm slow to level that charge. But you need to climb down from this charge for other reasons. For shame. False and defamatory rumor-mongering is dishonorable.

593 cliffster  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 4:11:51pm

re: #590 abolitionist

re: #587 Dark_Falcon

I believe you contradict yourself.

what

594 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 4:11:56pm

re: #589 Slumbering Behemoth

They're getting flung both ways. I think we can hash this out without them.

Without the insults, I mean.

595 Bagua  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 4:14:07pm

re: #589 Slumbering Behemoth

They're getting flung both ways. I think we can hash this out without them.

Quoted for truth.

596 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 4:14:26pm

re: #588 bratwurst

The class of 2004 has a way of bringing people together like that.

Targetpractice and Walter are both Class of 2004, and so is Nekama. Please don't broadbrush like that. This guy with the weird comment would have been unwelcome here back in 2008. This has always been a reality-based blog.

597 Targetpractice  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 4:14:36pm

re: #588 bratwurst

The class of 2004 has a way of bringing people together like that.

Et tu?

598 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 4:15:47pm

re: #590 abolitionist

re: #587 Dark_Falcon

I believe you contradict yourself.

I guess I did. I tend to apply different rules to people who pop up and post something weird than I do to regular posters.

599 Ziggy Standard  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 4:15:49pm

re: #576 windsagio

Please stick around; we need more folks like you around for the dead times >>

Ice-ski says " Dad it's so cute - can we keep it?"

600 bratwurst  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 4:16:39pm

re: #596 Dark_Falcon

re: #597 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Sorry for the broad brush treatment. Lunacy knows no year of registration.

601 abolitionist  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 4:17:41pm

re: #593 cliffster

what

Calling another poster a loon is an insult, no? (Not that I'm defending miguelj)

602 Ziggy Standard  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 4:19:40pm

re: #572 miguelj

Look at the facial geometrics of those two

Please present your argument on the 'facial geometrics' in detail. It sounds sciency!

603 windsagio  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 4:20:07pm

re: #600 bratwurst

Thats not the way to look at it.

The blog and the situation have changed substantially since then.

Its not surprising that very few of the 2k4 people fit in anymore.

I think its shocking for people hwo come back too; which would explain the whole 'they show up, then immediately flame out wildly' thing that happens so often.

604 cliffster  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 4:20:08pm

re: #601 abolitionist

Calling another poster a loon is an insult, no? (Not that I'm defending miguelj)

I think the difference between miguelj and other situations is pretty clear.

605 windsagio  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 4:20:30pm

re: #602 Jimmah

You ever notice that black people all look alike? >>

606 Targetpractice  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 4:21:55pm

re: #600 bratwurst

re: #597 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Sorry for the broad brush treatment. Lunacy knows no year of registration.

*shrugs* Not your fault. From what I've gathered in bits and pieces, it seems that we old-timers haven't entirely endeared ourselves to you young folk. And yeah, I can see why, because as I said earlier, with so much focus on the Left and their stupidity back in the day, it was easy to grow comfortable with the belief that this was a "right wing" site. Hell, we got accused of being "right wing fascists" all the time, amongst other things. Some just couldn't handle it when the spotlight was on them.

And that's all I got to say about that.

607 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 4:22:24pm

re: #602 Jimmah

Please present your argument on the 'facial geometrics' in detail. It sounds sciency!

Phrenology, baby. Legitimate science is for elitists!

608 Racer X  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 4:22:37pm

re: #507 Killgore Trout

Did I just time travel back to LGF from last year?

No - this is a sideways time.

You are still on the Island.

609 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 4:23:43pm

re: #596 Dark_Falcon

Targetpractice and Walter are both Class of 2004, and so is Nekama. Please don't broadbrush like that. This guy with the weird comment would have been unwelcome here back in 2008. This has always been a reality-based blog.

Nekama is actually, honestly, totally, making a lot of silly and partisan noises that sound like what I understood the "class of 2004 " vibe to be, which is a colloquial expression of the people who were motivated to join because they thought Charles was a Partisan Republican Who Was On Their Side and Would Always Talk About How Terrible The Left Is. I don't think anyone here with a brain is thinking that everyone who reged in that year is like that, any more than someone here would think that all Scorpios are evil :D

610 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 4:24:36pm

re: #606 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Brotherhood representatives are cool here.

611 KDS1  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 4:24:57pm

re: #602 Jimmah

Please present your argument on the 'facial geometrics' in detail. It sounds sciency!

For some reason, it also reminds me the year 1940.

612 Gus  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 4:25:12pm

re: #602 Jimmah

Please present your argument on the 'facial geometrics' in detail. It sounds sciency!

My monocle just plopped into my soup as I had a sudden vision of Waffen SS doctors performing racial typing based on human skulls and live prisoners in their offices in 1943.

/

613 allegro  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 4:25:14pm

re: #609 WindUpBird

any more than someone here would think that all Scorpios are evil

You were doing fine 'til then. Everyone knows Scorpios are evil.//

614 windsagio  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 4:25:26pm

re: #609 WindUpBird

I'm trying not to comment on Nekama being wacky, I'm prone to dislike him because of all the times people have inappropriately directed me to his idiot post :P

615 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 4:25:56pm

re: #603 windsagio

Thats not the way to look at it.

The blog and the situation have changed substantially since then.

Its not surprising that very few of the 2k4 people fit in anymore.

I think its shocking for people hwo come back too; which would explain the whole 'they show up, then immediately flame out wildly' thing that happens so often.

yeah, culture of the blog commenters changed, because the political climate changed.

And the commeters think their culture is the blog culture. It's not. Not the same thing. It's like corporate culture at Ford, versus the culture of the guys who hang out at a dragstrip rooting for Mustangs. and the Mustang fans think Ford is like OH YES 5.0 MUSTANG FAN YOU ARE VERY RELEVANT TELL US HOW TO RUN FORD

616 windsagio  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 4:25:57pm

re: #612 Gus 802

Hey now! Phrenology is legitimate science!

617 Targetpractice  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 4:26:21pm

re: #610 Slumbering Behemoth

Brotherhood representatives are cool here.

Steel be with you.

618 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 4:26:22pm

re: #614 windsagio

I'm trying not to comment on Nekama being wacky, I'm prone to dislike him because of all the times people have inappropriately directed me to his idiot post :P

Dude is not impressing me AT ALL. He is saying a lot of dumb stuff.

619 Gus  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 4:26:49pm

re: #616 windsagio

Hey now! Phrenology is legitimate science!

Image: Phrenology-journal.jpg

620 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 4:27:11pm

re: #613 allegro

You were doing fine 'til then. Everyone knows Scorpios are evil.//

SCORPIO!

621 Bagua  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 4:27:21pm

re: #609 WindUpBird

Nekama is actually, honestly, totally, making a lot of silly and partisan noises that sound like what I understood the "class of 2004 " vibe to be, which is a colloquial expression of the people who were motivated to join because they thought Charles was a Partisan Republican Who Was On Their Side and Would Always Talk About How Terrible The Left Is. I don't think anyone here with a brain is thinking that everyone who reged in that year is like that, any more than someone here would think that all Scorpios are evil :D

You make a lot of silly and partisan noises yourself.

622 Racer X  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 4:27:23pm

re: #618 WindUpBird

Dude is not impressing me AT ALL. He is saying a lot of dumb stuff.

Yeah. The Troll Hammer must drive you freaking nuts.

623 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 4:28:02pm

re: #619 Gus 802

Image: Phrenology-journal.jpg

Scien-terrific Cranial-mazing Theories of Phrenology that will Stun and Astound! Unlock the secrets of your four humors, ladies and gentlemen!

624 windsagio  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 4:28:16pm

re: #620 WindUpBird

Oh for true embedded images, eh? :D

625 Gus  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 4:28:26pm

re: #622 Racer X

Yeah. The Troll Hammer must drive you freaking nuts.

Looked like the Troll Hammer was concern trolling for the Shrieking Harpy.

Did I miss something? Still drinking coffee here.

626 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 4:29:08pm

re: #622 Racer X

Yeah. The Troll Hammer must drive you freaking nuts.

Nekama's current comments aside, the Troll Hammer is an excellent piece.

627 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 4:29:25pm

re: #614 windsagio

I'm trying not to comment on Nekama being wacky, I'm prone to dislike him because of all the times people have inappropriately directed me to his idiot post :P

How in the name of common sense can you call the Troll Hammer an "idiot post"?!

628 windsagio  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 4:29:44pm

re: #626 Slumbering Behemoth

It might be overapplied a little, but that's not the fault of the post itself :P

629 allegro  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 4:29:50pm

re: #625 Gus 802


Did I miss something? Still drinking coffee here.

Fix yourself a rum and coke. It will all make perfect sense.

630 OldnGrumpy  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 4:29:57pm

re: #611 KDS1

For some reason, it also reminds me the year 1940.

Sounds like something in that "facial recognition" software being developed.

631 Bagua  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 4:30:27pm

re: #538 Nekama

Do as you please. I'm more concerned about the increasing likelihood of nuclear war due to Iran and Israel's perception of existential threat from those looking for a reunion with the 12th Imam.
...

Of course, that is the highest priority. The whole idea of flushing out the loons like Alex Jones and Glenn Beck who latch onto, and distort legitimate issues, is that they weaken our ability to counter them.

632 Cato the Elder  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 4:30:29pm

re: #444 Nekama

As I've written, and unfortunately can't seem to get through to you, is that you are making these people, mostly entertainers who make a great living from fomenting controversy, into de facto leaders of those who haven't chosen them.

I was expecting you to come up with the "entertainers" defense sooner or later.

Entertainer Beck: "Obama has a deep-seated hatred of white people and white culture."

Audience: "HURR HURR HURR!"

633 windsagio  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 4:31:00pm

re: #627 Dark_Falcon

When you've been subjected to it the number of times I have, just to reread it and realize you were making none of the points it disputes, you might take a more jaundiced view to it, as well.

If that makes any sense :p

634 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 4:31:15pm

re: #622 Racer X

Yeah. The Troll Hammer must drive you freaking nuts.

Nekama is acting like all the usual no-name butthurt GOP partisan whiners that show up and flounce. Not impressive, not interesting. OH BOO HOO CHARLES YOU'VE CHANGED PLEASE TALK ABOUT THE LEFT SOME MORE. My ears don't exactly prick up, sorry. He's just another blind partisan who doesn't like that his ox is being gored. Cry me a river.

635 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 4:31:21pm

re: #625 Gus 802

Looked like the Troll Hammer was concern trolling for the Shrieking Harpy.

Did I miss something? Still drinking coffee here.

No, he doesn't like the direction Charles has taken the blog. He has no loyalty to Geller, I assure you of that.

636 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 4:31:37pm

re: #624 windsagio

Oh for true embedded images, eh? :D

Oh I KNOW

It's like I'm internetting with one hand tied behind my back

637 Gus  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 4:32:13pm

re: #635 Dark_Falcon

No, he doesn't like the direction Charles has taken the blog. He has no loyalty to Geller, I assure you of that.

Well, he knows what to do then if he doesn't like that direction. It's a big world and we're all grown-ups right?

638 Racer X  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 4:32:24pm

re: #625 Gus 802

Looked like the Troll Hammer was concern trolling for the Shrieking Harpy.

Did I miss something? Still drinking coffee here.

I just got here - did not see that.

639 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 4:33:09pm

re: #628 windsagio

It might be overapplied a little, but that's not the fault of the post itself :P

That may be, but when you're a Troll Hammer, you see the world as being full of trolls. Or nails. Or something. Whatever.
/

640 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 4:33:15pm

re: #635 Dark_Falcon

No, he doesn't like the direction Charles has taken the blog. He has no loyalty to Geller, I assure you of that.

yeah, I didn't get the impression he liked Geller, I got the impression he didn't like that the blog started actually spent time reporting on what Geller was doing when it should been bitching about "truth-out" or whatever.

641 Bagua  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 4:34:39pm

re: #614 windsagio

I'm trying not to comment on Nekama being wacky, I'm prone to dislike him because of all the times people have inappropriately directed me to his idiot post :P

re: #633 windsagio

When you've been subjected to it the number of times I have, just to reread it and realize you were making none of the points it disputes, you might take a more jaundiced view to it, as well.

If that makes any sense :p

If it was inappropriately applied to you then you wouldn't feel the need to denounce it as an "idiot post" and dislike Nekama.

642 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 4:35:20pm

re: #444 Nekama

Another "when did you stop beating your wife" example.

You and those who are perseverating about Rush Limpdick, Glenn Bonehead, and the others are making them the leaders of those who haven't necessarily chosen them. They're entertainers and they take your outrageous outrage with them to the bank.

So do Olbermann and his side. They're less successful, in my opinion, because their voices are more diffused in a dinosaur media which frequently leans their way.

To answer your question, no one always represents me. I honestly seldom turn on the television or listen to talk radio (I've never seen or heard more than a few minutes of a Limbaugh or Beck program) and prefer to read opinions on all sides online (LGF's linkviewer is very good) and via friends with whom I maintain an email correspondence. I enjoy editorials particularly and visit RealClearPolitics daily.

As I have written, I lean to the right. I frequently agree with the views of Charles Krauthammer, Mark Steyn, Victor Davis Hanson, and Jonah Goldberg, to name a few. But they don't "represent" me.

I think those who make claims that Alex Jones or Glenn Beck or (name your favorite bogeyman) represent the right are being very simplistic. Reading and laughing at a column doesn't make one agree with all or even most of someone's complete point of view.

As I've written, and unfortunately can't seem to get through to you, is that you are making these people, mostly entertainers who make a great living from fomenting controversy, into de facto leaders of those who haven't chosen them.

Let's see, so the guy who doesn't pay any attention to media or care about the media. That guy is now telling us all what we should be focusing on re; the media and the media's effect on opinion.

Wow no.

I don't take my car to a mechanic who only works on bicycles.

643 albusteve  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 4:35:39pm

re: #622 Racer X

Yeah. The Troll Hammer must drive you freaking nuts.

bigots simply hate it and are scared to death of it...incidently, the class of 09 is hardly anything to brag about

644 windsagio  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 4:36:14pm

re: #641 Bagua

Lol actually I'd feel MORE need, really. Nobody likes being painted with the wrong brush.

645 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 4:36:31pm

re: #633 windsagio

When you've been subjected to it the number of times I have, just to reread it and realize you were making none of the points it disputes, you might take a more jaundiced view to it, as well.

If that makes any sense :p

That actually does make sense. Just please do remember that he's not the one doing those reposts. Don't blame him for the actions of others. I will say that a new Hammer is needed for the Gaza Flotilla matter as well.

646 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 4:37:21pm

re: #631 Bagua

Of course, that is the highest priority. The whole idea of flushing out the loons like Alex Jones and Glenn Beck who latch onto, and distort legitimate issues, is that they weaken our ability to counter them.

Alex Jones will be a "self correcting" problem in that he will become persona non grata among the right the very nano-second a republican gets elected as POTUS. Unless it's Ron Paul, of course.

647 prairiefire  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 4:37:47pm

re: #607 Slumbering Behemoth

Phrenology, baby. Legitimate science is for elitists!

Hey, lumphead! So true./

648 Bagua  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 4:37:56pm

re: #644 windsagio

Lol actually I'd feel MORE need, really. Nobody likes being painted with the wrong brush.

If it's the wrong brush then you should make that clear, not say the brush is idiotic because it doesn't apply to you.

649 windsagio  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 4:37:58pm

re: #645 Dark_Falcon

Thats the thrust of my post tho'. I know its irrational so I"m trying really hard to not be a jerk about it..

650 prairiefire  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 4:38:20pm

re: #643 albusteve

bigots simply hate it and are scared to death of it...incidently, the class of 09 is hardly anything to brag about

*razberry*

651 albusteve  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 4:38:40pm

re: #634 WindUpBird

Nekama is acting like all the usual no-name butthurt GOP partisan whiners that show up and flounce. Not impressive, not interesting. OH BOO HOO CHARLES YOU'VE CHANGED PLEASE TALK ABOUT THE LEFT SOME MORE. My ears don't exactly prick up, sorry. He's just another blind partisan who doesn't like that his ox is being gored. Cry me a river.

this vindictive post is exactly why you suck...people have opinions and for you to rage against them like this degrades the entire board....disagreement is one thing...this tripe is altogether unacceptable...you sound like a spoiled brat because your selfish ego cannot accept a different opinion without going berzerk

652 Ziggy Standard  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 4:38:42pm

re: #618 WindUpBird

Dude is not impressing me AT ALL. He is saying a lot of dumb stuff.

Same arguments we have seen many times before from the legions of the butthurt : commenting on the craziness of the current darlings of the right is unfair because it elevates them, giving everyone the impression that they are some sort of...um...darlings of the right or something.

These are of course usually the same people who have spent the last 18 months telling us that Code Pink and Bill Ayers run the Democratic party.

653 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 4:38:59pm

re: #649 windsagio

Thats the thrust of my post tho'. I know its irrational so I"m trying really hard to not be a jerk about it..

Fair enough. I understand how that can feel.

654 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 4:39:17pm

re: #643 albusteve

bigots simply hate it and are scared to death of it...incidently, the class of 09 is hardly anything to brag about

True. The class of '07 is the best, though. ;)

655 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 4:40:13pm

re: #654 Slumbering Behemoth

True. The class of '07 is the best, though. ;)

You know it, brother.

656 Targetpractice  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 4:40:43pm

Figure I'll be open and honest while sins of the past are being laid bear. I am not now nor have I ever been an Obama fan. With exceptions, I have no agreed with his actions up to date and nothing he has done or promised to do has endeared him to me. Barring Palin or another far-right wacko obtaining the GOP nomination come 2012, I will do my part in seeing him voted from office. At the same time, I am not looking to be converted, I am not looking for my views of the man to be debated, and I will not voice my disagreement with him except where relevant.

I came back to LGF for the reason that I started coming here: Because I believe that one of the greatest threats to this nation is from "Radical Islam" or whatever term you prefer, that those who condone/support/aid it should be exposed and stopped, and that the idiots who look the other way or even suggest this nation should bow to it be put in their place. And that I enjoy the company of like-minded folks, even if our political ideologies many not match.

Thank you for your time.

657 OldnGrumpy  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 4:42:40pm

This thread is getting rather heated,time out for a tune

We need a leader like this.....

Youtube Video

Don't talk of dust and roses
Or should we powder our noses?
Don't live for last year's capers
Give me steel, give me steel, give me pulses unreal

He'll build a glass asylum
With just a hint of mayhem
He'll build a better whirlpool
We'll be living from sin, then we can really begin

Please saviour, save your shores
Hear me, I'm graphically yours

Someone to claim us, someone to follow
Someone to shame us, some brave Apollo
Someone to rule us, someone like you

We want you Big Brother, Big Brother

I know you think you're awful square
But you made everyone and you've been every where
Lord, I think you'd overdose if you knew what's going down

Someone to claim us, someone to follow
Someone to shame us, some brave Apollo
Someone to rule us, someone like you
Someone to claim us, someone to follow
Someone to shame us, some brave Apollo
Someone to rule, someone like you
Someone to claim us, someone to follow
Someone to shame us, some brave Apollo
Someone to rule, someone like you

We want you Big Brother

-David Bowie

658 Bagua  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 4:42:44pm

re: #646 Slumbering Behemoth

Alex Jones will be a "self correcting" problem in that he will become persona non grata among the right the very nano-second a republican gets elected as POTUS. Unless it's Ron Paul, of course.

I'm worried about the damage he does in the meantime. I can't accept his infiltration in any issue I identify with. I feel obligated to call it out.

659 windsagio  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 4:42:58pm

re: #656 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Well you know, its not really like that around here anymore. People are all worked up over the Flotilla thing still, of course, but very little of it is about 'the threat of Radical Islam' these days.

Also, isn't monomania a bit destructive?

660 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 4:44:23pm

re: #658 Bagua

I'm worried about the damage he does in the meantime. I can't accept his infiltration in any issue I identify with. I feel obligated to call it out.

Absolutely brother. By all means, we must call that crap out.

661 Bagua  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 4:45:16pm

re: #660 Slumbering Behemoth

Absolutely brother. By all means, we must call that crap out.

Time to go see a man about a dog.

BBL

662 Targetpractice  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 4:45:56pm

re: #659 windsagio

Well you know, its not really like that around here anymore. People are all worked up over the Flotilla thing still, of course, but very little of it is about 'the threat of Radical Islam' these days.

Also, isn't monomania a bit destructive?

*shrugs* It wasn't always about the threat of "Radical Islam" in the old days either. As I said earlier, we came down on the Left a lot back in the days too, for all the same reasons we're coming down the Right now. Stupidity, either in support of jihad or simply for stupidity's sake, should be put in the spotlight, shown for what it is, and those who support it brought to account. I know that some on the Right don't like that, but they don't help themselves or the Right at large by making excuses.

663 Gus  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 4:46:00pm

re: #652 Jimmah

Same arguments we have seen many times before from the legions of the butthurt : commenting on the craziness of the current darlings of the right is unfair because it elevates them, giving everyone the impression that they are some sort of...um...darlings of the right or something.

These are of course usually the same people who have spent the last 18 months telling us that Code Pink and Bill Ayers run the Democratic party.

Same old Tu quoque references. I'm surprised Soros hasn't come up -- I didn't check. Odd to see someone linking to the Palestinian Solidarity Movement which is run by the International Solidarity Movement and then claiming that a) Charles isn't covering them and b) that the likes of ISM are running this country now. I hate to disappoint them but the left isn't running this country now. The current Democratic leadership leans to the left but is far from being anything approaching the traditional left let alone the ISM.

664 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 4:46:53pm

re: #659 windsagio

Quibble: It absolutely is still like that around here, there is just a greater diversity of focus on other issues now.

665 Ziggy Standard  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 4:47:07pm

re: #640 WindUpBird

yeah, I didn't get the impression he liked Geller, I got the impression he didn't like that the blog started actually spent time reporting on what Geller was doing when it should been bitching about "truth-out" or whatever.

Yep - that's exactly what this was about. Didn't he say as much himself? Yet curiously, you got two downdings for saying so.

666 windsagio  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 4:47:48pm

re: #662 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Just surprising to see someone say 'I'll only talk about this subject!!!'

/you can post whatever you want of course, I'm just idly babbling while I clean up my room :D

667 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 4:49:45pm

re: #662 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

*shrugs* It wasn't always about the threat of "Radical Islam" in the old days either. As I said earlier, we came down on the Left a lot back in the days too, for all the same reasons we're coming down the Right now. Stupidity, either in support of jihad or simply for stupidity's sake, should be put in the spotlight, shown for what it is, and those who support it brought to account. I know that some on the Right don't like that, but they don't help themselves or the Right at large by making excuses.

Whatever the reasons you have for posting here again, I am glad you are. I like the cut of your gib, sir.

668 Targetpractice  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 4:49:56pm

re: #666 windsagio

Just surprising to see someone say 'I'll only talk about this subject!!!'

/you can post whatever you want of course, I'm just idly babbling while I clean up my room :D

Eh, don't worry about it. After the last few days, I doubt I'm welcome amongst many of my fellow old timers on the "stalker blogs" anyway. I've always been a moderate, and while I voted for Bush in '04, I did so more as a vote against Kerry than one for Bush. The kinda wild shit the Far-Right is slinging these days scares the bejesus outta me.

669 windsagio  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 4:49:58pm

re: #664 Slumbering Behemoth

*NOTE THAT I AM I NO WAY TELLING OUR HOST WHAT I THINK HE SHOULD POST*

That being said, up to this last week, only a tiny minority of the threads have been on that subject, altho' it still occasionally comes up in from the users.

I don't think anybody should be at all surprised that all these people came back right when the flotilla/Reuters thing was peaking.

670 windsagio  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 4:51:31pm

re: #668 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Yeah, I should say, I'm with SB. Agreement aside (and we seem to agree on little :P), from the little I've seen you'd be an asset to these threads :D

671 Cato the Elder  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 4:51:48pm

re: #669 windsagio

I don't think anybody should be at all surprised that all these people came back right when the flotilla/Reuters thing was peaking.

I'm certainly not at all surprised that you have now made it your chief occupation here on this site to troll those people.

672 windsagio  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 4:52:29pm

re: #671 Cato the Elder

Still pissT eh?

(I can't use Butthurt, the royalties are too brutal)

673 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 4:54:26pm

Well, got chores to attend to. Y'all have a pleasant evening.

and I still ain't got my gawt-damned car running *grumblegrumblegrumble*

674 prairiefire  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 4:54:34pm

re: #664 Slumbering Behemoth

Quibble: It absolutely is still like that around here, there is just a greater diversity of focus on other issues now.

The threat from radical, fascist Islam is real and relevant.

675 Gus  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 4:55:08pm

re: #673 Slumbering Behemoth

Well, got chores to attend to. Y'all have a pleasant evening.

and I still ain't got my gawt-damned car running *grumblegrumblegrumble*

Engine Coolant Temperature Sensor!

676 windsagio  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 4:55:14pm

re: #674 prairiefire

Its just not the only thing in the world, y'know? :)

677 Cato the Elder  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 4:56:11pm

re: #676 windsagio

Its just not the only thing in the world, y'know? :)

A solipsist of your caliber knows what's important.

678 windsagio  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 4:57:06pm

re: #677 Cato the Elder

Man you really are mad aren't ya.

(yeah, unfortunately I had the spy on. I'm sorry you don't like TargetPractice)

679 Racer X  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 4:57:52pm

re: #673 Slumbering Behemoth

Well, got chores to attend to. Y'all have a pleasant evening.

and I still ain't got my gawt-damned car running *grumblegrumblegrumble*

Did you check to see if there was gas in the tank?

680 Gus  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 4:59:19pm

re: #622 Racer X

Yeah. The Troll Hammer must drive you freaking nuts.

Hey. I thought you were referring to N. but you meant the Troll Hammer post from years ago.

681 Ziggy Standard  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 4:59:30pm

re: #634 WindUpBird

Nekama is acting like all the usual no-name butthurt GOP partisan whiners that show up and flounce. Not impressive, not interesting. OH BOO HOO CHARLES YOU'VE CHANGED PLEASE TALK ABOUT THE LEFT SOME MORE. My ears don't exactly prick up, sorry. He's just another blind partisan who doesn't like that his ox is being gored. Cry me a river.

Quoted for truth #2. Nekama has added nothing new to the existing repertoire of flouncatious complaints about LGF.

682 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 5:01:12pm

re: #675 Gus 802

Engine Coolant Temperature Sensor!

Just had to pop back in to reply to that.

Yep, that is on my list of things to test. I am still not getting spark, though.

The ignition coil was shot, the dist' cap cracked, and the rotor loose. Replaced all that, along with plugs and wires, and I still ain't got spark.

I'm taking the day off from screwing with the car, though, and just doing things around the house today instead. I'm sore, and it's freakin' hot out.

683 Racer X  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 5:01:43pm

re: #680 Gus 802

Hey. I thought you were referring to N. but you meant the Troll Hammer post from years ago.

Yes. The Troll Hammer must make The Twins' anus twitch something fierce.

684 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 5:02:44pm

re: #679 Racer X

Did you check to see if there was gas in the tank?

Yeah smart ass, I have gas. In the tank that is. I got fuel to the rail, so the pump is working. Fuel on the plugs too.

Just, no spark.

685 Gus  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 5:02:52pm

re: #682 Slumbering Behemoth

Just had to pop back in to reply to that.

Yep, that is on my list of things to test. I am still not getting spark, though.

The ignition coil was shot, the dist' cap cracked, and the rotor loose. Replaced all that, along with plugs and wires, and I still ain't got spark.

I'm taking the day off from screwing with the car, though, and just doing things around the house today instead. I'm sore, and it's freakin' hot out.

Oh. Ouch. That's a lot more complicated then. Did you replace the rotor?

686 Racer X  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 5:03:33pm

re: #683 Racer X

... and we have confirmation.

687 Gus  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 5:03:53pm

re: #685 Gus 802

Oh. Ouch. That's a lot more complicated then. Did you replace the rotor?

Make that the distributor.

688 windsagio  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 5:03:58pm

re: #686 Racer X

My poor anus gets enough attention, that was more the problem.

689 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 5:04:44pm

re: #573 cliffster

I don't agree with what he's saying, but there's no reason to be an asshole about it.

I take your point, I do. Still, what I also find asshole-ish is comparing individual past performance with race, and the consensus position with Rand Paul's twisted take on the Civil Right's Act. The fact that the person saying it is an established personality on the blog certainly doesn't make this any less offensive. At least not to me.

690 Racer X  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 5:05:03pm

re: #684 Slumbering Behemoth

Yeah smart ass, I have gas. In the tank that is. I got fuel to the rail, so the pump is working. Fuel on the plugs too.

Just, no spark.

Good luck man. You'll get it figured out. Just keep plugging away and testing stuff. Replace only what is needed - to keep costs down.

691 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 5:06:04pm

re: #685 Gus 802

Yes. So far, the things I have replaced needed replacing anyhow, so it's not that bad. Just freaking frustrating.

I just had a thought, though. My battery is charged (tests 12v), however that does not mean it still has the "cold cranking amps" required to turn the engine over. I've had that happen once before. I have a fair list of things to test, but I think that will be the first.

Wanna give me a ride to AutoZone?

692 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 5:06:53pm

re: #687 Gus 802

Make that the distributor.

The dist. cap, yes. Is that the same thing?

693 Gus  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 5:07:03pm

re: #691 Slumbering Behemoth

Yes. So far, the things I have replaced needed replacing anyhow, so it's not that bad. Just freaking frustrating.

I just had a thought, though. My battery is charged (tests 12v), however that does not mean it still has the "cold cranking amps" required to turn the engine over. I've had that happen once before. I have a fair list of things to test, but I think that will be the first.

Wanna give me a ride to AutoZone?

Sure, I'll be there in 3 days. //

694 Targetpractice  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 5:07:18pm

re: #680 Gus 802

Hey. I thought you were referring to N. but you meant the Troll Hammer post from years ago.

Ah, the Troll Hammer. An elegant weapon, for a more civilized age...wait, what was I saying? Oh, right, twas a powerful weapon back in the day. Back then, trolls were legion, showing up in numbers that would blot out the sun. Before the Hammer, one had to spend hours dragging up facts and figures, simply to have a troll bat every one aside and continue on. But with the Hammer, we had an easy, go-to weapon to beat them down with. Along with GAZE, it was a means to push back the horde and restore order to the fledgling LGF.

And that's today's history lesson, kiddies.

695 Gus  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 5:07:51pm

re: #692 Slumbering Behemoth

The dist. cap, yes. Is that the same thing?

No. The distributor would be the whole enchilada. That might not be it since it's mechanical. It could also be a relay.

696 Gus  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 5:09:24pm

re: #692 Slumbering Behemoth

The dist. cap, yes. Is that the same thing?

Hey... is the car dead now?

What about the timing belt?

697 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 5:09:34pm

re: #690 Racer X

Good luck man. You'll get it figured out. Just keep plugging away and testing stuff. Replace only what is needed - to keep costs down.

Thanks bro. I may have to keep my neighbor away from helping me, though. He's getting far more pissed and impatient than even I am.

698 KDS1  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 5:10:08pm

re: #694 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Ah, the Troll Hammer. An elegant weapon, for a more civilized age...wait, what was I saying? Oh, right, twas a powerful weapon back in the day. Back then, trolls were legion, showing up in numbers that would blot out the sun. Before the Hammer, one had to spend hours dragging up facts and figures, simply to have a troll bat every one aside and continue on. But with the Hammer, we had an easy, go-to weapon to beat them down with. Along with GAZE, it was a means to push back the horde and restore order to the fledgling LGF.

And that's today's history lesson, kiddies.

grandpa, can you read me another story?

699 Gus  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 5:12:02pm

re: #696 Gus 802

Hey... is the car dead now?

What about the timing belt?

Or the dreaded "computer" i.e. the ECU.

700 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 5:13:19pm

re: #695 Gus 802

No. The distributor would be the whole enchilada. That might not be it since it's mechanical. It could also be a relay.

What kind of relay? Main, perhaps?

Also, the ignition coil was shot. Could that be a domino into or from another failing part? What part(s)?

re: #696 Gus 802

Hey... is the car dead now?

Yes.

What about the timing belt?

You just had to put that out in the ether, didn't you. If you've jinxed my car, so help me...

:)

701 Kruk  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 5:13:21pm

Speaking of lunacy, there are now efforts to get laws passed that wills strip US born children of citizen if even *one* of the parents is is an illegal alien.

[Link: www.thedailybeast.com...]

I give up on these people. Seriously.

702 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 5:13:28pm

re: #694 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Ah, the Troll Hammer. An elegant weapon, for a more civilized age...wait, what was I saying? Oh, right, twas a powerful weapon back in the day. Back then, trolls were legion, showing up in numbers that would blot out the sun. Before the Hammer, one had to spend hours dragging up facts and figures, simply to have a troll bat every one aside and continue on. But with the Hammer, we had an easy, go-to weapon to beat them down with. Along with GAZE, it was a means to push back the horde and restore order to the fledgling LGF.

And that's today's history lesson, kiddies.

True, trolls have been greatly reduced in number. The flotilla story brought them back, and caused some regulars to assume troll-like behaviors. Hopedully, the latter learn the error of their ways. [glares at windsagio]

703 abolitionist  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 5:14:20pm

re: #684 Slumbering Behemoth

Yeah smart ass, I have gas. In the tank that is. I got fuel to the rail, so the pump is working. Fuel on the plugs too.

Just, no spark.

Might check your timing belt. I had a starting problem that seemed related to bad fuel pump. It was bad and was replaced. Still no start. Timing belt was stripped at crank. Interference engine --designed to self-destruct.

704 windsagio  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 5:14:21pm

re: #702 Dark_Falcon

Do you really think I'm trolling D_F?

Like really?

Or alternatively, is there just no room for disagreement on this subject?

705 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 5:15:12pm

re: #699 Gus 802

Or the dreaded "computer" i.e. the ECU.

I don't even want to think about that. That part will likely cost more than the car is worth.

706 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 5:16:22pm

re: #703 abolitionist

Might check your timing belt. I had a starting problem that seemed related to bad fuel pump. It was bad and was replaced. Still no start. Timing belt was stripped at crank. Interference engine --designed to self-destruct.

Would a bad timing belt prevent you from getting spark?

707 Gus  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 5:16:31pm

re: #700 Slumbering Behemoth

You just had to put that out in the ether, didn't you. If you've jinxed my car, so help me...

:)

Might be easy to check. Perhaps all the loose stuff was causing the stalls and then after attempting to start the car so many times it finally killed the timing belt.

708 Targetpractice  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 5:16:34pm

re: #698 KDS1

grandpa, can you read me another story?

Well, alright.

*clears throat* In the beginning...wait, wrong story...Long, long ago, in a galaxy far, far away...no, not that one either...Between the time when the oceans drank Atlantis, and the rise of the sons of Aryas...hmm, save that one for another day...No one would have believed in the last years of the nineteenth century...damnit, guess we'll have to pick this up later.

709 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 5:17:35pm

re: #704 windsagio

Do you really think I'm trolling D_F?

Like really?

Or alternatively, is there just no room for disagreement on this subject?

Yes, on that subject (though not on others) I really do think you are trolling.

710 Gus  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 5:18:07pm

re: #706 Slumbering Behemoth

Would a bad timing belt prevent you from getting spark?

Yep.

711 Ziggy Standard  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 5:18:16pm

re: #702 Dark_Falcon

Windsagio is not a troll, DF. Where the hell did that come from?

712 albusteve  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 5:18:41pm

re: #704 windsagio

Do you really think I'm trolling D_F?

Like really?

Or alternatively, is there just no room for disagreement on this subject?

you're trolling and too stupid to know it!....that's top shelf

713 abolitionist  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 5:18:54pm

re: #706 Slumbering Behemoth

Would a bad timing belt prevent you from getting spark?

Don't know. Depends on the set of inputs to the ECU (computer). If cams aren't turning, not even the valves would be functioning.

714 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 5:19:03pm

re: #710 Gus 802

I now has a sad. :(

715 Gus  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 5:19:50pm

re: #714 Slumbering Behemoth

I now has a sad. :(

Well, check it first.

716 windsagio  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 5:20:34pm

re: #709 Dark_Falcon

I will put it clearly to you that I am not.

Anything I post on here I sincerely believe, barring truly obvious sarcasm.

717 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 5:20:45pm

re: #704 windsagio

Do you really think I'm trolling D_F?

Like really?

Or alternatively, is there just no room for disagreement on this subject?

Many people here do not seem to have enough experience elsewhere on the internet, on other forums and message boards, to properly ascertain with a "troll" is with any confidence.

After being called a troll here a bunch of timesin my first few weeks, the word sorta loses its zing. ;-)

718 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 5:21:15pm

Thanks all for the advice, it is much appreciated. I really do need to split for now. Laters.

719 Targetpractice  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 5:21:23pm

re: #714 Slumbering Behemoth

I now has a sad. :(

Cheer up, emo kid.

720 Racer X  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 5:22:40pm

re: #716 windsagio

I will put it clearly to you that I am not.

Anything I post on here I sincerely believe, barring truly obvious sarcasm.

Glad we cleared that up.

In the future can both sides use the term 'Troll' correctly then? Because I have seen it thrown around an awful lot lately.

721 windsagio  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 5:25:04pm

re: #720 Racer X

With the understanding that part of trolling is posting specifically to anger someone, or pick a fight, sure.

People do troll on LGF all the time, I just find it counter to my goals.

(I piss enough people off with what I have to say, I don't need to obscure the message more with unnecessary hate-mongering)

722 Ziggy Standard  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 5:27:46pm

re: #651 albusteve

this vindictive post is exactly why you suck...people have opinions and for you to rage against them like this degrades the entire board...disagreement is one thing...this tripe is altogether unacceptable...you sound like a spoiled brat because your selfish ego cannot accept a different opinion without going berzerk

Hey Albusteve, did I really see you having a go at someone yesterday for including lots of dots - like '...' - in their posts?

Just askin'/

723 Four More Tears  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 5:28:08pm

re: #721 windsagio


(I piss enough people off with what I have to say, I don't need to obscure the message more with unnecessary hate-mongering)

Calling Cato a bigot was completely unnecessary.

724 Targetpractice  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 5:28:09pm

Oh, and should any of the stalkers (including the dreaded Nodrog) happen upon this thread and find out that I'm not covering their asses, allow me to say:

Image: d74a.jpg

725 KDS1  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 5:28:18pm

re: #721 windsagio

With the understanding that part of trolling is posting specifically to anger someone, or pick a fight, sure.

People do troll on LGF all the time, I just find it counter to my goals.

(I piss enough people off with what I have to say, I don't need to obscure the message more with unnecessary hate-mongering)

I often disagree with you, but if you really are sincere,i can only respect your right to express yourself.

726 windsagio  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 5:28:57pm

re: #723 JasonA

I wish you wouldn't bring that up, because it'll likely lead to more fighting.

I'll agree with you to the point that it was extremely unwise.

727 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 5:29:40pm

re: #711 Jimmah

Windsagio is not a troll, DF. Where the hell did that come from?

I don't think he is a troll. But on the issue of the Arab-Israeli conflict, he has been obtuse in my eyes. If he says he's for real in views, I take that as good coin, since I do not think him a liar. He's wrong on the issue, but he's an honest man. Perhaps I misused the word 'trolling'. If I did, I apologize.

728 Four More Tears  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 5:29:54pm

re: #726 windsagio

I wish you wouldn't bring that up, because it'll likely lead to more fighting.

I'll agree with you to the point that it was extremely unwise.

Best of the internet is that no one's ever wrong.

*sigh*

729 windsagio  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 5:30:13pm

re: #725 KDS1

Vehement, saucy disagreement is half the fun!

730 Four More Tears  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 5:30:30pm

re: #728 JasonA

Best part of the internet is that no one's ever wrong.

*sigh*


pimf

731 windsagio  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 5:31:03pm

re: #728 JasonA

I just stick with what I said above. I haven't argued anything I didn't hold to be true.

I'm not gonna lie just to be politic at this point, just I maybe shouldn't have let the cat out of the bag.

732 KDS1  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 5:31:58pm

re: #729 windsagio

Vehement, saucy disagreement is half the fun!

Then prepare yourself for some good time!

733 windsagio  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 5:32:39pm

re: #732 KDS1

Just be careful, as you can tell it can get a bit ugly :p

734 Targetpractice  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 5:33:32pm

re: #731 windsagio

I just stick with what I said above. I haven't argued anything I didn't hold to be true.

I'm not gonna lie just to be politic at this point, just I maybe shouldn't have let the cat out of the bag.

"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."

735 KDS1  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 5:33:56pm

re: #733 windsagio

Just be careful, as you can tell it can get a bit ugly :p

elephant's skin, baby.

736 Ziggy Standard  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 5:36:12pm

Off to explore NYC some more - post dinner food coma permitting. Have a good night :)

Youtube Video
737 windsagio  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 5:36:50pm

re: #736 Jimmah

I've gotta go get ready to go out too :D

Be well, Jay-Jay! (thats my new nickname for you, I've decided)

738 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 5:38:08pm

re: #705 Slumbering Behemoth

I don't even want to think about that. That part will likely cost more than the car is worth.

Just dig one out of a junkyard car! ECUs aren't THAT hard to get ahold of if the car isn't brand new.

739 Cato the Elder  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 5:58:31pm

re: #678 windsagio

Man you really are mad aren't ya.

(yeah, unfortunately I had the spy on. I'm sorry you don't like TargetPractice)

I have no quarrel with Target - it's you I find objectionable.

740 Cato the Elder  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 6:11:29pm

re: #716 windsagio

I will put it clearly to you that I am not.

Anything I post on here I sincerely believe, barring truly obvious sarcasm.

You are the best proof I've seen all year that sincerity of belief is by itself a worthless thing.

741 TedStriker  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 6:33:12pm

re: #355 Steroid

It's hardly kosher to say that the radical right is permitted to exist unmolested so long as it doesn't achieve success in terms of influence. Isn't the point of an open political society that whatever ideas pass muster in the arena get to hold sway?

I actually find it easier to understand the position of an Olbermann or a Sheehan, both of whom I disagree with politically, than the "anti-idiotarian," "compromise-moderate," or "pro-sanity" position that seems de rigeur here. After all, if you're going to dismiss people as insane, shouldn't you expect that they're only going to do the same to you?

You're so full of shit, your eyeballs are brown, Mr. 29-Posts-in-5-years (and a few of those are in this thread)...

/whose sock are you?

742 William of Orange  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 7:09:43pm

I did LOL a bit!

Image: s5ye7o.gif

Completely missed the point!

743 mich-again  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 7:44:47pm

Why doesn't Shriekfront Atlas Shrugs use the same service for online payments that Stormfront uses??

744 ClaudeMonet  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 8:21:47pm

re: #22 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Armchair warriors, they are. Tilt at windmills, they will. Hmmm.

As someone who's played Sancho in "Man of La Mancha" several times, I resent your associating Don Quixote with those morons.

re: #28 Charles

Glenn Reynolds shouts: PAM GELLER MAY SUE PAYPAL FOR CALLING HER BLOG A "HATE SITE."

No lawyer would even take such an obvious losing case.

Never underestimate how low some lower life forms can go.

re: #58 Dragon_Lady

When will all the stupidity end?

When those with more intelligence start outbreeding these idiots. This is a time which Iregret probably will never happen.

re: #64 ralphieboy

The USSR should not have been allowed to dissolve until they had at least set up mechanisms to peacefully resolve the conflicts that must unavoidably ensue from its demise.

The USSR was not into taking instruction from anyone. In addition, the whole thing happened so fast that no one was ready when it began, let alone how fast it went. Frankly, after all those years of subjugation, none of the "republics" would have agreed to slow down anyway, and who can blame them?

745 Bagua  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 8:29:16pm

re: #669 windsagio

*NOTE THAT I AM I NO WAY TELLING OUR HOST WHAT I THINK HE SHOULD POST*

That being said, up to this last week, only a tiny minority of the threads have been on that subject, altho' it still occasionally comes up in from the users.

I don't think anybody should be at all surprised that all these people came back right when the flotilla/Reuters thing was peaking.

746 ClaudeMonet  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 8:38:13pm

re: #180 _RememberTonyC

I work with a guy whose name is Mike Colangelo ... for real.

This one?

[Link: www.baseball-reference.com...]

re: #109 brookly red

/these things happen... I went to school with a Jewish guy who married a Navajo woman. To please his parents they gave their first born a Jewish name... Whitefish.

Damn, that's an old joke. Sometimes it involves the Jewish guy taking a Native American name, White Fish.re: #111 steroid

"The pathetically ironic part of all this yelling and whining: these are the same people who insist that businesses have an absolute right to deny service to anyone for any reason."

OK, I agree with most of the sentiments here, but have to take issue with this. I also believe that a business has the absolute right to deny service, but that consumers have the right to band together and take action including boycotting and publishing the reasons behind a boycott to convince others. If Geller is suing PayPal, she shouldn't win. But I shall mark PayPal down a point myself for their decision. Not because I agree with Geller's opinions, but because I don't believe the company should discriminate on the basis of hate-opinion. It is not relevant to their business.

Freedom of association. They don't want to do business with hatemongers. "A man is known by the quality of the company he keeps" and all that.

747 ClaudeMonet  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 8:43:32pm

re: #187 cliffster

mike cox. "why don't you go by Michael?" I ask

I went to college with a guy by that name. Good soccer player, good drinker, good guy. I haven't seen him in years, hope he's well and happy.

748 Ziggy Standard  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 9:19:44pm

re: #683 Racer X

Yes. The Troll Hammer must make The Twins' anus twitch something fierce.

Missed this comment earlier. Who are you talking about?

re: #686 Racer X

... and we have confirmation.

...or is this your passive-aggressive way of calling other posters names, without having the balls to actually come out and do it?

749 ClaudeMonet  Sun, Jun 13, 2010 9:33:27pm

re: #437 JasonA

Allstate? Real Lizards should be using Geico!

Not until they get rid of that damned gecko. Obnoxious campaign.

750 shai_au  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 2:40:28am

I'm not in much doubt about Geller's site as one that promotes hate, but I'm not seeing that so much on PayPal's Acceptable Use Policy page. It seems to be more to do with using PayPal transactions to sell things, and not so much its usage as a medium for donations.

It says you can't use it for activities that "relate to sales of items that promote hate" etc. - but what is the item being sold here? Is Geller's commentary the thing that is being "sold"? Or some sort of merchandise on her site?

I'm not much of a lawyer. Sorry. :)

I do think that they're going to have to apply this rule consistently, though, if it's going to hold up in court.

751 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 10:25:41am

re: #750 shai_au

I'm not in much doubt about Geller's site as one that promotes hate, but I'm not seeing that so much on PayPal's Acceptable Use Policy page. It seems to be more to do with using PayPal transactions to sell things, and not so much its usage as a medium for donations.

It says you can't use it for activities that "relate to sales of items that promote hate" etc. - but what is the item being sold here? Is Geller's commentary the thing that is being "sold"? Or some sort of merchandise on her site?

She was using a PayPal donation button.

752 joelr  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 12:02:00pm

FWIW, PayPal geeked. Whether it was because of pressure, or because, upon further reflection, they decided that they'd made a bad decision, I dunno. Probably both.

753 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:35:24pm

re: #752 joelr

FWIW, PayPal geeked. Whether it was because of pressure, or because, upon further reflection, they decided that they'd made a bad decision, I dunno. Probably both.

Nope, they didn't. They told Geller to remove their logos and donation forms, and she has done that. From my point of view, she's the one who "caved."


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