Are the Ten Commandments Really the Basis for Our Laws?

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Here’s an excellent essay by Phil Plait on a timely subject, as the Christian right pushes harder than ever before on many fronts to erase the line of separation between church and state: Are the Ten Commandments really the basis for our laws?

As we ramp up to the mid-term elections in November 2010 — sure to be just a warmup to the insanity that will be the Presidential election in 2012 — you can bet your bottom shekel that we’ll be hearing from a lot of “family values” politicians decrying our lack of morality. That’s de rigeur for any election, but every cycle it seems to get worse.

A lot of these claim that the United States is either a Christian nation — a ridiculous and easily-disprovable notion — or that it was founded on Judeo-Christian principles (the “Judeo” part is a giveaway that these politicians are Leviticans: they seem to keep their noses buried more in the fiery wrath of the Old Testament than in the actually gentle, politically-correct teachings of Jesus… more on this later, promise). Specifically, they claim quite often that our laws are based on the Ten Commandments.

I was thinking about this recently. People seem to accept that our laws are based on the morals of the Old Testament laid out in the Commandments, but as a proper skeptic, I decided to take a look myself. Why not go over the Commandments, said I to myself, and compare them to our actual laws, as well as the Constitution, the legal document framed by the Founding Fathers, and upon which our laws are actually based?

So I did.

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520 comments
1 Boogberg  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 2:05:09pm

Holy crap, Charles! :D

2 Varek Raith  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 2:06:47pm

Heh, some of the 10 would be unconstitutional anyway...

3 brookly red  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 2:07:08pm

Well maybe not but just try to find an open liquor store on Sunday...

4 Cato the Elder  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 2:08:02pm

Of course the Ten Commandments are the basis of many of our laws.

As are the Code of Hammurabi, Roman civil and criminal law, the Code Napoleon, and multiple other sources.

Pick and choose? Revert to a notional, never-actualized Biblical law as a stealth basis for establishing a religion in this country?

No thanks.

5 Kefirah  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 2:09:30pm

re: #2 Varek Raith

precisely the point the author makes in the article. our constitution actually directly contradicts some of the more explicit commandments, including but not limited to "thou shalt not take the name of the lord your g-d in vain," and "there shall be no graven images."

somebody should let monty python's flying circus know they've violated our constitution.

oh, wait...

6 Nimed  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 2:10:29pm

Stand-up classic, and pretty much mandatory for this thread:

George Carlin: The Ten Commandments Broken Down

Youtube Video
7 Boogberg  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 2:11:01pm

Click on the asterisk guys. Funny as hell! :D

8 Obdicut  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 2:11:10pm

re: #3 brookly red

Well maybe not but just try to find an open liquor store on Sunday...

Um, okay. I can buy liquor on a Sunday easily. And so can you, in New York.

So... what are you talking about?

9 freetoken  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 2:11:54pm

They might then argue that "based upon" the Ten Commandments does not mean word for word adoption of all of them, but that the concept that law is handed down from on high is the important idea.

It is an attempt to counter the humanistic origins of law, that our laws are nothing more than mutual agreements among groups of peoples and between groups and individuals.

It's as tough an argument to counter as creationism, as besides being the same participants in the discussion, they attach the same magick-like quality to their beliefs of law as they do about creation.

Indeed, if you ever get into a discussion with a creationist about scientific "laws" you will notice similarities in their idea about the "laws" of science compared to laws about the items of which the Ten Commandments address.

10 brookly red  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 2:12:08pm

re: #8 Obdicut

Um, okay. I can buy liquor on a Sunday easily. And so can you, in New York.

So... what are you talking about?

Blue laws... get over it.

11 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 2:12:40pm

And once again the 6th Commandment לא תרצח is mistranslated as "Thou shalt not kill" instead of "Thou shalt not murder."

12 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 2:13:02pm

re: #4 Cato the Elder

Of course the Ten Commandments are the basis of many of our laws.

As are the Code of Hammurabi, Roman civil and criminal law, the Code Napoleon, and multiple other sources.

Pick and choose? Revert to a notional, never-actualized Biblical law as a stealth basis for establishing a religion in this country?

No thanks.

I read the article, and anyone with a inkling of history understands that our "laws" are a combination of trial and experiments from 6000-10000 years of codes and moral underpinnings.

But, at the same time, this author is being pedantic is framing his article this way. As much as it would take a person lacking much education in the history of the world to actually believe that our laws directly stem from a foundation in the 10 commandments, it would also take and idiot to think that these points being made are some deep insight into the facts.

Cheap shots from all sides.

13 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 2:13:34pm

What I would find more interesting would be a discussion comparing the laws of pre-Christianity Europe vs. post-Christianity Europe vs. pre-18th century China vs. pre-Columbian South American cultures.

The underlying thinking is also important. Are all men, well, men, or are there men, slaves, lords, etc, and the mistreatment of each brings different penalties. What about women? Are we chattel or beings?

Are laws written down, or at the whim of the judges? What about society? To what extent do we carry the blame for the misbehavior of other human beings. (Before you say "hunh?", remember that there are families in the middle east in which the misbehavior or perceived misbehavior of one member of the family can shame the entire clan.)

I'm as interested in the roots of our thinking about laws, the value of people and property, and how we make amends, as the laws themsevles.

14 Obdicut  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 2:15:35pm

re: #10 brookly red

Blue laws... get over it.

There aren't blue laws in New York, though. So you can go out and buy liquor on Sundays. Some stores in New York have to designate one day a week they close, that's it.

I'd also note the ten commandments say fuck-all about alcohol.

15 brookly red  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 2:16:35pm

The not coveting thing is amusing, the entire marketing/advertising industry is based on coveting...

16 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 2:16:58pm

re: #15 brookly red

The not coveting thing is amusing, the entire marketing/advertising industry is based on coveting...

As it should be.

17 freetoken  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 2:17:04pm

re: #11 Alouette

And once again the 6th Commandment לא תרצח is mistranslated as "Thou shalt not kill" instead of "Thou shalt not murder."

Nah, that too is a mistranslation. Every scholar now knows that the correct translation is "Thou shall not unplug the artificial respirator machine."

18 Varek Raith  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 2:17:18pm

re: #15 brookly red

The not coveting thing is amusing, the entire marketing/advertising industry is based on coveting...

Capitalism!
You got a nice TV?
I WANT ONE TOO!
:)

19 brookly red  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 2:17:49pm

re: #14 Obdicut

There aren't blue laws in New York, though. So you can go out and buy liquor on Sundays. Some stores in New York have to designate one day a week they close, that's it.

I'd also note the ten commandments say fuck-all about alcohol.

are you going to do this every time I make a joke? really.

20 A Man for all Seasons  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 2:17:54pm

Phil is one of my hero's..Just the other day he posted a picture of his buddy's skydiver teams in a circle flying towards the Earth.. In the Background in the distance was the Shuttle breaking through the clouds carrying the Hubble into Space....Phil worked for 10 years on the Hubble...The Man is a freaking genius..And a good man

21 Kragar  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 2:18:03pm

re: #14 Obdicut

There aren't blue laws in New York, though. So you can go out and buy liquor on Sundays. Some stores in New York have to designate one day a week they close, that's it.

I'd also note the ten commandments say fuck-all about alcohol.

But its in the Koran...OH SHIT! BLUE LAWS ARE CREEPING SHARIA!

22 Gus  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 2:18:50pm

re: #9 freetoken

They might then argue that "based upon" the Ten Commandments does not mean word for word adoption of all of them, but that the concept that law is handed down from on high is the important idea.

It is an attempt to counter the humanistic origins of law, that our laws are nothing more than mutual agreements among groups of peoples and between groups and individuals.

It's as tough an argument to counter as creationism, as besides being the same participants in the discussion, they attach the same magick-like quality to their beliefs of law as they do about creation.

Indeed, if you ever get into a discussion with a creationist about scientific "laws" you will notice similarities in their idea about the "laws" of science compared to laws about the items of which the Ten Commandments address.

On could argue that the Ten Commandments were intelligently design. However, they are clearly designed and created by man with only itself as the basis for its influence and content.

23 Political Atheist  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 2:19:01pm

The basis? No, of course not. A basis? IMHO-Undeniably. Since the religious right insist on a craven overstating of the connection the writer has a point. But even they do not claim all ten! Hence the overstatements compound upon one another. As soon as you return to a rational view of the connection the article falls a bit flat.

On adultery- It was illegal for much of our history. Consenting adults does not change that in a historical sense. So that adds a point. Since even the religious right (as far as I have read) makes little to no claim on us even having laws about who or what or when we worship, those should not even be in the article.
As Cato points out western law has a number of roots. Each and every one has some merit and some flaws.

From the Hammurabi code which is one acknowledged root of our laws-
If any one bring an accusation of any crime before the elders, and does not prove what he has charged, he shall, if it be a capital offense charged, be put to death.

Fortunately we did not keep that one either. Shall we dismiss this connection here too if at some future time it is overstated?

24 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 2:19:29pm

re: #20 HoosierHoops

Phil is one of my hero's..Just the other day he posted a picture of his buddy's skydiver teams in a circle flying towards the Earth.. In the Background in the distance was the Shuttle breaking through the clouds carrying the Hubble into Space...Phil worked for 10 years on the Hubble...The Man is a freaking genius..And a good man

Shiplord Kirel posted the link in his LGF Page:

LGF Pages - Diving into and out of the sky (Shuttle Discovery with Skydivers, 1990)

25 Kefirah  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 2:19:38pm

re: #9 freetoken

martin luther king, jr., believed in natural law as opposed to positive law. in fact, that was a large part of why he condoned non.violent activism - he felt that the segregation of the south was in violation of inalienable rights of humanity which are independent of positive laws. but he certainly wasn't a proponent of biblical law as the law of the land.

i think there's a happy middle ground for people who can rationally hold two "opposing" ideas in their head at the same time and not explode into pixie dust, because rarely are the ideas as "opposed" as they are proclaimed to be.

however, people like that are a rare commodity. instead, we have winners like glenn beck and pamela geller yelling and screaming about "sharia law!" and "hitler!" and "social justice = nazis!"

we need great thinkers with power, again.

26 Boogberg  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 2:20:06pm

re: #21 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Sharia is creepy.

27 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 2:20:21pm

re: #21 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Don't go overboard now, Kagar. I urge you to exercise some temperance.

28 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 2:20:37pm

Oops, I see that SK linked to Phil's post. Never mind!

29 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 2:20:46pm

re: #8 Obdicut

Um, okay. I can buy liquor on a Sunday easily. And so can you, in New York.

So... what are you talking about?

Massachusetts. But they're nuts.

30 Kefirah  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 2:21:29pm

re: #29 SanFranciscoZionist

and texas.

i'll refrain from adding anything. we are our own punchline, sometimes.

31 Gus  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 2:21:30pm

re: #2 Varek Raith

Heh, some of the 10 would be unconstitutional anyway...

Yep. It's perfectly legal to covet your neighbor's stuff.

32 brookly red  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 2:22:19pm

re: #31 Gus 802

Yep. It's perfectly legal to covet your neighbor's stuff.

that why we make locks...

33 Gus  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 2:23:01pm

re: #32 brookly red

that why we make locks...

Coveting is not stealing.

34 brookly red  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 2:23:53pm

re: #33 Gus 802

Coveting is not stealing.

yes of course, but one thing leads to another some times...

35 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 2:23:57pm

re: #9 freetoken

They might then argue that "based upon" the Ten Commandments does not mean word for word adoption of all of them, but that the concept that law is handed down from on high is the important idea.

It is an attempt to counter the humanistic origins of law, that our laws are nothing more than mutual agreements among groups of peoples and between groups and individuals.

It's as tough an argument to counter as creationism, as besides being the same participants in the discussion, they attach the same magick-like quality to their beliefs of law as they do about creation.

Indeed, if you ever get into a discussion with a creationist about scientific "laws" you will notice similarities in their idea about the "laws" of science compared to laws about the items of which the Ten Commandments address.

There is a categorization of Jewish laws. Some are specific to Jews. Some have religious reasons and meanings given in the Torah, and some are given, and we do not know why, but honor them as the word of God. There is also a category of laws which are common-sense laws necessary for a functioning society. The reasoning of the Talmud goes that while we may attribute our having these laws to God having given them, pagan societies also have such laws--civil and criminal--because the rational human mind would logically see a need for them.

36 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 2:24:27pm

The Fundy emphasis on the Ten Commandments as some kind of groundbreaking moral code is historically illiterate. There were all kinds of moral and legal codes in the ancient near east, many predating the Commandments by millennia. Every civilized society had such a code by definition. Modern law is drawn from a variety of sources, including Roman law. The latter was elaborately codified before most Romans had even heard of Judea or Judaism.

37 Randall Gross  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 2:24:45pm

Completely OT:

I know that there are lizards out there who have written a passable sentence or two and some are also looking for more/better/any employment....

Southern Poverty Law Center is looking for a Senior Writer

[Link: www.splcenter.org...]

38 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 2:25:10pm

There are a lot in my camp (LDS) that buy into the 'christian nation' bit. But that is where I remind them that had it not been for the constitution and being able to worship how one would like, we would have been persecuted and destroyed by the 'christians' that believe in this 'christian nation' bit.

39 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 2:25:36pm

re: #21 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

But its in the Koran...OH SHIT! BLUE LAWS ARE CREEPING SHARIA!

THE PURITANS WERE SEKRIT MUZLIMS!!!!!

40 Boogberg  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 2:26:45pm

re: #37 Thanos

Oh man! How cool would that be? :)

41 Gus  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 2:26:45pm

re: #34 brookly red

yes of course, but one thing leads to another some times...

Yes, in some cases it would. However, the point was that this would be considered unconstitutional:

Ten: 'You shall not covet your neighbor's house; you shall not covet your neighbor's wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor's.'

One of several.

42 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 2:28:23pm

re: #36 Shiplord Kirel

The Fundy emphasis on the Ten Commandments as some kind of groundbreaking moral code is historically illiterate. There were all kinds of moral and legal codes in the ancient near east, many predating the Commandments by millennia. Every civilized society had such a code by definition. Modern law is drawn from a variety of sources, including Roman law. The latter was elaborately codified before most Romans had even heard of Judea or Judaism.

Impossible... the Bible is the perfect word of G-d and there is no way G-d took stole any of those older moral codes and other stuff you are talking about... it was brand new and fresh material when G-d inspired the writers to write it all down.

/ (and people wonder why I emphasize the fact that the Hebrew and Greek texts are no "magical," inspired or "god breathed" in any way, shape or form. The proof is in history)

43 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 2:29:21pm

re: #42 Walter L. Newton

Impossible... the Bible is the perfect word of G-d and there is no way G-d took stole any of those older moral codes and other stuff you are talking about... it was brand new and fresh material when G-d inspired the writers to write it all down.

/ (and people wonder why I emphasize the fact that the Hebrew and Greek texts are no "magical," inspired or "god breathed" in any way, shape or form. The proof is in history)

HERETIC!

/Root word "Hertikos" meaning "To Choose". I love that word.

44 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 2:29:26pm

re: #41 Gus 802

One of several.

Try unenforceable. It's really hard to prosecute somebody's thoughts.

(On the other hand, the last time I was at our local county museum, they have the old jail in the middle of the museum, along with the log for the museum. I read it over, busted up laughing, and asked the docent if that was legitimate.

Which one?

The dude who went to jail for "seduction.")

45 brookly red  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 2:29:33pm

re: #41 Gus 802

One of several.

well you got your passive coveting & your active coveting I guess...

Btw, right know I can smell my neighbor cooking supper... heavy coveting going on over here.

46 Kragar  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 2:29:55pm

re: #39 SanFranciscoZionist

THE PURITANS WERE SEKRIT MUZLIMS!!!

Well, they had the dress code down.

47 ReamWorks SKG  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 2:30:29pm

First of all, there are 613 commandments, not 10.

And most Jews are completely baffled over Chr-stians who freely put G-d's name on bumper stickers, and put little statues of G-d, or his kid, all over their churches, while claiming to be obeying the "10 Commandments"

As a Jew, I'm glad that there's a separation of Church and State.

However, more interesting than the "10 Commandments" is the system of Jewish law codified in the Oral Torah, and written in the Talmud. While not the basis for our secular legal system, there are many fascinating legal arguments here concerning rights of property owners, debts and obligations, just treatment for workers, etc, that have counterparts in modern law.

And it's fair to say that, when studying the evolution of modern legal systems, certainly the Jewish scholars who codified the Oral Law would be part of the history of the evolution of laws and courts.

The "10 Commandments" is a trivialization of Jewish Law. And the supreme importance given to them is largely a Chr-stian invention.

48 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 2:30:45pm

re: #42 Walter L. Newton

Hey! I've been reading up on the "Q" manuscript and stuff per hour 'earlier' conversation about the 'Gospels' and 'authorship'.

Way cool stuff.

49 jamesfirecat  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 2:30:56pm

re: #41 Gus 802

One of several.

Hell the entire American way of life/American dream is based around coveting if you ask me.

It's about seeing something you want, and then working hard to get it!

50 Gus  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 2:31:02pm

re: #45 brookly red

well you got your passive coveting & your active coveting I guess...

Btw, right know I can smell my neighbor cooking supper... heavy coveting going on over here.

Ah! Well, there may be a point there. When coveting becomes conspiracy. As in conspiracy to commit a crime. Might be something there.

51 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 2:31:40pm

re: #29 SanFranciscoZionist

Massachusetts. But they're nuts.

Pennsylvania too. No state stores open on Sundays, and liquor cannot be purchased outside of state stores.

52 Randall Gross  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 2:31:49pm

re: #40 Boogberg

Oh man! How cool would that be? :)

It would be pretty cool. If I didn't love the job I already have...

53 Kefirah  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 2:31:55pm

re: #47 reuven

don't forget ex parte communications [see rechilut].

the talmud is, while a reflection of its time, also way ahead of its time.

54 Kragar  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 2:32:02pm

re: #51 Fozzie Bear

Pennsylvania too. No state stores open on Sundays, and liquor cannot be purchased outside of state stores.

Damn Amish.

55 Gus  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 2:32:23pm

re: #49 jamesfirecat

Hell the entire American way of life/American dream is based around coveting if you ask me.

It's about seeing something you want, and then working hard to get it!

It's what keeps the sod and landscape industry in the black. /

56 TampaKnight  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 2:32:52pm

Uh, we punish murderers and the Bible says "thou shall not kill".

What more proof do you need?

57 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 2:33:01pm

re: #43 Oh no...Sand People!

HERETIC!

/Root word "Hertikos" meaning "To Choose". I love that word.

If that fact doesn't speak volumes, I don't know what does.

58 jamesfirecat  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 2:33:12pm

re: #56 TampaKnight

Uh, we punish murderers and the Bible says "thou shall not kill".

What more proof do you need?

You're being sarcastic right?

59 TampaKnight  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 2:33:28pm

re: #58 jamesfirecat

You're being sarcastic right?

Lol, yes!

60 Obdicut  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 2:35:00pm

re: #39 SanFranciscoZionist

THE PURITANS WERE SEKRIT MUZLIMS!!!

They were sure closer to Muslims than to most modern Christians, in terms of social values.

61 Political Atheist  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 2:35:33pm

re: #56 TampaKnight

In my Scofield (scholars version) bible there is a footnote on that. "Thou Shall Not Murder". BTW for the curious, that bible is footnoted with the varying translations. I found that one fascinating for it's implications.

62 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 2:36:49pm

re: #43 Oh no...Sand People!

HERETIC!

/Root word "Hertikos" meaning "To Choose". I love that word.

Well, I'm the one who is always catching hell for pointing out the historical facts behind the texts... three whole religious schools of thought have been developed from mythical writing, yet people go through life in awe of the power of religion, the power to divide us, the power to motivate us to kill each other... the power to tear down, isolate, and provoke some of the worst behavior man has ever seen.

Yet all it takes is to be honest with yourself, to accept the easily discovered truth that the whole foundation of these religions are based on a book of tales and myths.

It would be like reading Tolkien and forming a cult around Middle Earth.

Really!

63 brookly red  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 2:37:02pm

re: #61 Rightwingconspirator

In my Scofield (scholars version) bible there is a footnote on that. "Thou Shall Not Murder". BTW for the curious, that bible is footnoted with the varying translations. I found that one fascinating for it's implications.

that is the translation I always went with...

64 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 2:37:23pm

re: #47 reuven


The "10 Commandments" is a trivialization of Jewish Law. And the supreme importance given to them is largely a Chr-stian invention.

True, and that's fine. It does, however, rather underscore that when people say 'Judeo-Christian', they mean 'what Christianity derived from Judaism', rather than 'Jewish tradition'.

65 Boogberg  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 2:37:32pm

re: #52 Thanos

I wish I had the credentials for stuff like that. Very cool.

66 Political Atheist  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 2:37:54pm

re: #11 Alouette

And once again the 6th Commandment לא תרצח is mistranslated as "Thou shalt not kill" instead of "Thou shalt not murder."

It;s that way in nearly every Bible I ever looked in. Except the one I mentioned above. What a huge screw up really.

67 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 2:38:16pm

re: #48 Oh no...Sand People!

Hey! I've been reading up on the "Q" manuscript and stuff per hour 'earlier' conversation about the 'Gospels' and 'authorship'.

Way cool stuff.

Q for Quell = source. Yes, it is very interesting... that's the sort of scientific approach I have been talking about in regards to textual studies.

68 jamesfirecat  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 2:38:21pm

re: #62 Walter L. Newton

Well, I'm the one who is always catching hell for pointing out the historical facts behind the texts... three whole religious schools of thought have been developed from mythical writing, yet people go through life in awe of the power of religion, the power to divide us, the power to motivate us to kill each other... the power to tear down, isolate, and provoke some of the worst behavior man has ever seen.

Yet all it takes is to be honest with yourself, to accept the easily discovered truth that the whole foundation of these religions are based on a book of tales and myths.

It would be like reading Tolkien and forming a cult around Middle Earth.

Really!

Bet you five to one I can find such a thing with google (a cult based around Middle Earth)

69 Gus  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 2:38:33pm

112th Commandment - Thou shalt not register offshore oil drilling rig in the Marshall Islands as a ship.

/

70 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 2:39:18pm

re: #56 TampaKnight

Uh, we punish murderers and the Bible says "thou shall not kill".

What more proof do you need?

It's true! Murder was totally socially acceptable in the ancient world. Then Moshe came down with the Tablets of the Law, and everyone said "Duh! We shall not murder! That's, like so revolutionary!"

71 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 2:39:33pm

re: #62 Walter L. Newton

Well, I'm the one who is always catching hell for pointing out the historical facts behind the texts... three whole religious schools of thought have been developed from mythical writing, yet people go through life in awe of the power of religion, the power to divide us, the power to motivate us to kill each other... the power to tear down, isolate, and provoke some of the worst behavior man has ever seen.

Yet all it takes is to be honest with yourself, to accept the easily discovered truth that the whole foundation of these religions are based on a book of tales and myths.

It would be like reading Tolkien and forming a cult around Middle Earth.

Really!

That cues one of my favorite vids in the world:

Pat Condell, though he attacks the Catholic Clergy, you can pretty much put your 'theological' leadership of choice in there.

Youtube Video
72 TampaKnight  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 2:39:34pm

I'm a roman Catholic and I would never want our laws to be directly derived from the Bible, or any other religious book.

Saudi Arabia's constitution is the Quaran....enough said.

73 ReamWorks SKG  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 2:40:33pm

re: #14 Obdicut

But some of the 613 commandments do! (There are several commandments regarding the production and consumption of wine, and not to drink wine of idolaters.)

And also, there are some Mitzvot de rabbanan (Rabinnic commandments) about alchol including the commandment to get intoxicated on Purim!

74 Gus  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 2:40:42pm

re: #70 SanFranciscoZionist

It's true! Murder was totally socially acceptable in the ancient world. Then Moshe came down with the Tablets of the Law, and everyone said "Duh! We shall not murder! That's, like so revolutionary!"

And from that day forward all the murders ceased and we lived happily ever after.

/

75 Bob Levin  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 2:40:42pm

re: #11 Alouette

Aren't you always struck by the fact that most 'interpretations' of the Bible certainly are not the Jewish, scholarly interpretations?

The issue of coveting, also, not the way our sages interpret it. It's not simply wanting something that belongs to someone else--you have to begin making concrete plans on how to get it.

I could go on, but the amount of misinterpretations border on absurd.

76 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 2:41:13pm

re: #68 jamesfirecat

Bet you five to one I can find such a thing with google (a cult based around Middle Earth)

James... I suspect you could... big whoop... your point? I was simply making an analogy... not trying to bring up a whole different topic.

77 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 2:41:20pm

re: #61 Rightwingconspirator

In my Scofield (scholars version) bible there is a footnote on that. "Thou Shall Not Murder". BTW for the curious, that bible is footnoted with the varying translations. I found that one fascinating for it's implications.

Then there's the fabulous Renaissance misprint that somehow made it through the proofing process--the 1631 Bible where the commandment in question reads "Thou shalt commit adultery."

78 Kragar  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 2:41:32pm

re: #70 SanFranciscoZionist

It's true! Murder was totally socially acceptable in the ancient world. Then Moshe came down with the Tablets of the Law, and everyone said "Duh! We shall not murder! That's, like so revolutionary!"

The whole graven idol business went tits up overnight thanks to the Commandments. Where was the government bailout there?

79 TampaKnight  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 2:42:14pm

I'm beginning the house hunting process- both exciting and a looming pain in the ass.

Wish me luck.

80 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 2:42:28pm

re: #78 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The whole graven idol business went tits up overnight thanks to the Commandments. Where was the government bailout there?

You can pry my golden calf from my cold, dead hands.

81 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 2:42:38pm

re: #64 SanFranciscoZionist

True, and that's fine. It does, however, rather underscore that when people say 'Judeo-Christian', they mean 'what Christianity derived from Judaism', rather than 'Jewish tradition'.

When I think of Judeo-Christian, I'm more thinking of the way of seeing people and their proper relationships and justice, etc. The bedrock thinking.

For example, both the ancient Celts and the ancient Chinese, when they b
buried a great Chieftain, would bury human beings with them. I know the Celts sometimes buried a woman to be his wife in the next life, and I can't remember exactly who the Chinese buried. In the case of the Emperors, lots of people.

There is a thinking here about the value of people and their relationship to each other that is distinctly different than ours.

82 brookly red  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 2:42:41pm

re: #46 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Well, they had the dress code down.

there was this guy on the radio claiming that the tanning salon tax was discriminatory because people in California did not need the salons but to consider the poor oppressed women of New England in their plaid flannel burkas ... that image just cracked me up.

83 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 2:43:02pm

re: #67 Walter L. Newton

Q for Quell = source. Yes, it is very interesting... that's the sort of scientific approach I have been talking about in regards to textual studies.

I've never been able to get over the idea that Q from "Star Trek The Next Generation" is somehow involved with that source material.

84 Boogberg  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 2:43:13pm

re: #72 TampaKnight

I think we are ever-so-slowly eroding their nonsense. I could be wrong.

85 jamesfirecat  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 2:43:19pm

re: #76 Walter L. Newton

James... I suspect you could... big whoop... your point? I was simply making an analogy... not trying to bring up a whole different topic.

Just indulging in a little whimsical delight at just how weird our world is some times...

86 funky chicken  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 2:43:56pm

re: #79 TampaKnight

I'm beginning the house hunting process- both exciting and a looming pain in the ass.

Wish me luck.

Good Luck, and lowball, lowball, lowball. Make sure to be in the best school district you can afford--top school districts tend to be more socially stable over time and have better resale.

87 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 2:44:51pm

re: #83 SanFranciscoZionist

I've never been able to get over the idea that Q from "Star Trek The Next Generation" is somehow involved with that source material.

WHat? I'm not aware of your reference.

88 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 2:45:50pm

re: #83 SanFranciscoZionist

I've never been able to get over the idea that Q from "Star Trek The Next Generation" is somehow involved with that source material.

I'm sorry... I did make a mistake on spelling (typical of me, I know more facts than I can spell correctly)... it's "Quelle." Sorry.

89 TampaKnight  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 2:45:56pm

re: #86 funky chicken

Good Luck, and lowball, lowball, lowball. Make sure to be in the best school district you can afford--top school districts tend to be more socially stable over time and have better resale.

Oh, I'm armed with average price per sq ft based off area sales. I've already seen a few asking prices and laughed considering it's about $60K above what every other house is asking.

Good news is that I live in Florida and lots of people are desperate to offload their house and will do so for a low price and incentives.

90 Political Atheist  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 2:45:58pm

Let's bring this one back. From Hammurabi

If a judge try a case, reach a decision, and present his judgment in writing; if later error shall appear in his decision, and it be through his own fault, then he shall pay twelve times the fine set by him in the case, and he shall be publicly removed from the judge's bench, and never again shall he sit there to render judgement.

Of course there are rules about how your slaves and if they are stolen from you... I literally shudder at those.


re: #77 SanFranciscoZionist
Hey if you did the deed and used that bible in your defense... ROFL! I was told this alleged jewish allegory about" if a man should fall off his roof onto a woman", well the sex is not really his fault.

Oh and from Islamic tradition I am told (a post here I think!) -The first baby can come anytime but all the rest take about 9 months.

After the slavery laws in Hammurabi a light note is very welcome.

91 Boogberg  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 2:46:15pm

re: #79 TampaKnight

I'm beginning the house hunting process- both exciting and a looming pain in the ass.

Wish me luck.

It's a buyer's market, Bro. Good luck. Cash talks. Have 20% down ready.

92 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 2:46:49pm

re: #90 Rightwingconspirator

OT - I'm mailing a small package to you and DL tomorrow on my way to work.

93 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 2:46:54pm

re: #87 Walter L. Newton

WHat? I'm not aware of your reference.

There's a character, named Q, a time-travelling, snarky, rather alarming being. When people refer to the Q material of the Bible, I always imagine him...in a caftan, of course, since he likes to be appropriately dressed up for whatever's happening.

94 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 2:48:40pm

re: #79 TampaKnight

I'm beginning the house hunting process- both exciting and a looming pain in the ass.

Wish me luck.

Does it matter what kind of luck I wish for you? You didn't specify. Me, I've got plenty of luck to spare ya buddy. In fact, I'd love to give away some of my luck to anyone who will take it.

You see, I'm real lucky.

95 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 2:49:25pm

re: #93 SanFranciscoZionist

There's a character, named Q, a time-travelling, snarky, rather alarming being. When people refer to the Q material of the Bible, I always imagine him...in a caftan, of course, since he likes to be appropriately dressed up for whatever's happening.

Ok... got it now... I never watched much Star Trek when I was growing up... didn't like it.

96 A Man for all Seasons  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 2:49:54pm

OT: Almost Game time! And hopefully a prior Obama speech thread..Till Then:
So I was walking little spoiled Winston and I’m moving soon... I got to thinking. I’m moving to a major College town ... But If I had my choice what would be the Top five Cities the Hoopster would want to live in… Money is not a consideration.
The Hoopsters Top 5
1) Yountville, Ca. Napa Valley..
My hometown so no surprise there.
2) Honolulu, HI...
I lived there for 3 years…Anybody that doesn’t agree is mentally Ill... Let’s say you are living in a 20 million dollar Park Avenue penthouse in NYC overlooking Central park and you call your friend and they tell you they have a Condo by the beach in Hawaii... What are you going to say? Effen you pal…Nothing beats Hawaii…And everybody knows it.
3) San Francisco, Ca.
Simply the most beautiful City on the face of the Earth…Although I had a 53 White Nash Ambassador . Classic with the Plastic still on the seats stolen from SF... I’m not bitter any more. I forgive you.. But if anybody sees one please contact me.
4) Boston
I love all things Boston...And most importantly I could learn to hate all things NY.
5) Montreal
This was tied between Paris or Amsterdam in Europe.. But you get the best of both worlds.. It’s Europe in North America. I had a great time there.. I adore that City…

Well that’s my top five Cities I’d like to live in…I think my next list will be the top 5 College towns I’d like to live in…And I’m thinking the top 5 small towns I’d live in.

97 Political Atheist  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 2:50:07pm

re: #92 Walter L. Newton

Well thank you very much. Sorry I had stepped away there for a bit last night. Neighbor thing. Anyway Friday I go into the casting shop to HD record the blending of platinum and ruthenium, and its casting all with a hydrogen torch. Should be spectacular in HD.

98 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 2:50:28pm

OT: Rep. Steve King Accuses Obama of Favoring Blacks Over Whites

WASHINGTON -- A Republican congressman suggested that President Obama favors blacks over whites, prompting a party candidate to cancel a fundraiser headlined by the Iowa lawmaker.

Rep. Steve King, known for sometimes incendiary remarks about immigration, Abu Ghraib and other issues, criticized Obama and Attorney General Eric Holder, who also is black, in an interview Monday on G. Gordon Liddy's nationally syndicated radio talk show.

"I'm offended by Eric Holder and the president also, their posture," King said. "It looks like Eric Holder said that white people in America are cowards when it comes to race."

King continued: "The president has demonstrated that he has a default mechanism in him that breaks down the side of race on the side that favors the black person in the case of professor Gates and officer Crowley."

He was alluding to last year's incident in which Obama commented on a white police officer's arrest of a black professor from Harvard University.

As news of King's remarks spread, Colorado Republican Cory Gardner canceled a planned $100 per-plate fundraiser where King was to speak.

This isn't even a dog whistle, this is outright race-baiting.

99 Kragar  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 2:50:56pm

re: #95 Walter L. Newton

Ok... got it now... I never watched much Star Trek when I was growing up... didn't like it.

The whole Federation thing seemed screwy to me.

100 Boogberg  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 2:51:13pm

re: #93 SanFranciscoZionist

I was hoping the writers would incorporate Q somehow in the latest movie. It still kicked ass.

101 brookly red  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 2:51:46pm

re: #95 Walter L. Newton

Ok... got it now... I never watched much Star Trek when I was growing up... didn't like it.

It could be a Brooklyn thing... showing up at school with plastic pointy ears would surely gey someones butt kicked.

102 Obdicut  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 2:53:38pm

re: #99 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The whole Federation thing seemed screwy to me.

It's basically a military dictatorship, in the end. It's kinda weird.

103 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 2:54:56pm

re: #101 brookly red

It could be a Brooklyn thing... showing up at school with plastic pointy ears would surely gey someones butt kicked.

My father was a big Star Trek fan. He was also 6' by the 8th grade and 6'2" by the time he was done, and a star of the football team.

He never wore pointy ears, though, and he thinks the learning-Klingon thing is just weird.

104 brookly red  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 2:55:22pm

re: #99 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The whole Federation thing seemed screwy to me.

/ big gubbermint stateist propaganda if you ask me...

105 SixDegrees  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 2:55:52pm

re: #93 SanFranciscoZionist

There's a character, named Q, a time-travelling, snarky, rather alarming being. When people refer to the Q material of the Bible, I always imagine him...in a caftan, of course, since he likes to be appropriately dressed up for whatever's happening.

Worst. Star Trek. Character. Ever.

An interesting concept, destroyed by the most horrendously bad casting choice imaginable.

Too bad they didn't pick someone like Ian McKellen. At least the audience wouldn't have collectively felt like kicking him in the balls, every chance they got.

106 Cato the Elder  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 2:55:59pm

Ancient Roman law, from the Twelve Tablets:

Cito necatus insignis ad deformitatem puer esto.

An obviously deformed child must be put to death.

Generally by exposure. On a hillside.

Compare and contrast with various laws in Leviticus &c. requiring death for things that we now consider a matter of private concern.

There was a reason for that Roman law, which goes back to pre-Republican times. A deformed child could not serve in the army or be expected to bear healthy children. It would, if it survived, grow up to be a charge upon the parents and the state.

But I want to bring all these old laws back, because they're old, and written in archaic Latin ("esto"), and all old things are good things.

Hebrew and Roman deth panils!

107 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 2:56:39pm

re: #100 Boogberg

I was hoping the writers would incorporate Q somehow in the latest movie. It still kicked ass.

Q would be better brought in later. Given the use of an alternate reality, he's best brought in a second or third film to deal with dimensional issues or some such.

108 A Man for all Seasons  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 2:57:07pm

re: #103 EmmmieG

My father was a big Star Trek fan. He was also 6' by the 8th grade and 6'2" by the time he was done, and a star of the football team.

He never wore pointy ears, though, and he thinks the learning-Klingon thing is just weird.

How cool.. Did he play QB in School? Usually Athletes play multiple sports..What else did he play?

109 Kragar  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 2:57:23pm

re: #102 Obdicut

It's basically a military dictatorship, in the end. It's kinda weird.

Don't get me started on the whole Prime Directive nonsense.

110 Obdicut  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 2:57:28pm

re: #105 SixDegrees

He always seemed on the verge of tears, too.

111 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 2:57:34pm

re: #97 Rightwingconspirator

Well thank you very much. Sorry I had stepped away there for a bit last night. Neighbor thing. Anyway Friday I go into the casting shop to HD record the blending of platinum and ruthenium, and its casting all with a hydrogen torch. Should be spectacular in HD.

That's ok.... I went to bed before you posted your later comments... I saw them this morning.

I can't do any smithing. My ex-wife did. I have probably 25 small nice pieces of gem quality opal that I have cut over the years, but they are in gem containers sitting in a tray because they really need mounting in silver or something, and I'm not set up to do that, both artistically or financially.

Heck, that sterling silver half round that you see me using as the finals on the chokers goes for about 27 dollars for 10 feet, and it takes me a foot for each choker. Just recently I had to buy some to restock myself. The last time I purchased any, it was about 50 cents a foot, that was 6-7 years ago and I bought yards of it.

When I calculated the new cost of silver, it doubled the value of my existing pieces.

112 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 2:58:02pm

re: #106 Cato the Elder

Ancient Roman law, from the Twelve Tablets:

Generally by exposure. On a hillside.

Compare and contrast with various laws in Leviticus &c. requiring death for things that we now consider a matter of private concern.

There was a reason for that Roman law, which goes back to pre-Republican times. A deformed child could not serve in the army or be expected to bear healthy children. It would, if it survived, grow up to be a charge upon the parents and the state.

But I want to bring all these old laws back, because they're old, and written in archaic Latin ("esto"), and all old things are good things.

Hebrew and Roman deth panils!

So Rome had the same sort of law on that matter as Sparta? I wonder if that was more general throught the Greco-Roman world.

113 Obdicut  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 2:58:03pm

re: #109 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Have you read The Use of Weapons and the other Culture novels by Ian M. Banks?

Great antidote to Star Trek.

114 Boogberg  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 2:58:03pm

re: #103 EmmmieG

Your Dad sounds like a pretty cool dude.

115 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 2:58:13pm

re: #71 Oh no...Sand People!

Heh. "Dog-collared vampires," "head lice of humanity," the Archbishop of Canterbury an "unprincipled quisling."

I love Pat Condell for telling it like it is.

Btw, there is something inexplicable, almost sinister, about the prominence the British media and intelligentsia assign to the pronouncements of of the Arch-shaman of Canterbury, given that there might be 30 people in the whole UK who take the CoE's dogma seriously. The bleating sheep keeps his scam going largely by saying whatever the chatterati want to hear.

116 Political Atheist  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 2:58:47pm

Way OT but I just embedded a video from the White House Youtube. We can submit question for Obama to answer. On my page

Kinda cool to at least have a tiny chance to get a question in. Big point-you can up or down ding all the submitted questions. Some doozies in there!

117 brookly red  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 2:58:57pm

beer run...

118 Kragar  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 2:59:39pm

re: #113 Obdicut

Have you read The Use of Weapons and the other Culture novels by Ian M. Banks?

Great antidote to Star Trek.

Havent read any Banks yet.

119 SixDegrees  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 2:59:54pm

re: #105 SixDegrees

Worst. Star Trek. Character. Ever.

An interesting concept, destroyed by the most horrendously bad casting choice imaginable.

Too bad they didn't pick someone like Ian McKellen. At least the audience wouldn't have collectively felt like kicking him in the balls, every chance they got.

Although it's possible that Captain Janeway, or that execrable little alien troll she kidnapped as her personal, incompetent chef, vie for that title. Different series, though.

120 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:00:16pm

re: #108 HoosierHoops

How cool.. Did he play QB in School? Usually Athletes play multiple sports..What else did he play?

His big problem in sports was that he didn't know he needed glasses until his senior year. So he didn't play basketball until after that, although he played for fun later on.

I have no idea what he played in high school, but he made it as a walk-on to Oregon State's team (then dropped out after he took his first physics final, and decided he had to be serious about the engineer stuff.)

Track and field, too, although it was my uncle that did track and field in college.

121 Obdicut  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:00:22pm

re: #118 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Havent read any Banks yet.

My favorite sci-fi writer. Incredible scope while retaining the focus on individual characters.

122 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:00:23pm

Well the guy across the street from Mom and Dads Condo has a really hot, I mean really, really, hot, wife.

Will I have to face trial for "Coveting my Neighbors Possessions" once the new "Biblical commandments amendment" becomes law? Damn, I'm screwed, I just can't help it...

123 Political Atheist  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:00:27pm

re: #111 Walter L. Newton

Next time you need silver wire drop me an email. Might be able to save you a few bucks.

124 Boogberg  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:01:28pm

re: #107 Dark_Falcon

Q would be better brought in later. Given the use of an alternate reality, he's best brought in a second or third film to deal with dimensional issues or some such.

Well they wouldn't want to emulate the final episode of TNG. The fans would raise hell.

125 Political Atheist  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:01:32pm

re: #122 ausador

You and former POTUS Carter. Except he has sovereign immunity maybe.
//

126 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:01:34pm

re: #114 Boogberg

Your Dad sounds like a pretty cool dude.

This coming month he and my husband are taking the kids camping. So, yeah, cool.

127 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:01:37pm

re: #123 Rightwingconspirator

Next time you need silver wire drop me an email. Might be able to save you a few bucks.

Ok... I use 16 guage half round most of the time.

128 Political Atheist  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:02:25pm

re: #127 Walter L. Newton

Noted. :)

129 Kragar  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:02:42pm

re: #107 Dark_Falcon

Q would be better brought in later. Given the use of an alternate reality, he's best brought in a second or third film to deal with dimensional issues or some such.

I believe they've said they were planning on reintroducing Khan into the new timeline for the next movie.

130 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:03:20pm

re: #112 Dark_Falcon

So Rome had the same sort of law on that matter as Sparta? I wonder if that was more general throught the Greco-Roman world.

Ancient Scandinavia, you could expose a slave's children on their grave.

From an adult perspective, while I'm not keen on the practice, it would have been a quick and painless way to die...in winter...in Sweden. You'd freeze to death in about fifteen minutes.

Still, I'm not okay with it. I'm just more okay with it than, say, beating the kid to death.

131 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:06:01pm

There are Dominionists who believe that homosexuals and adulterous wives should be publicly stoned. They don't include adulterous husbands for some reason, probably self-interest.

132 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:07:09pm

re: #131 Shiplord Kirel

There are Dominionists who believe that homosexuals and adulterous wives should be publicly stoned. They don't include adulterous husbands for some reason, probably self-interest.


What about people who talk on their cellphones at movie theaters? I'm up for a public pelting with chocolate covered raisins, or gummy bears.

133 Four More Tears  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:07:45pm

re: #132 EmmmieG

What about people who talk on their cellphones at movie theaters? I'm up for a public pelting with chocolate covered raisins, or gummy bears.

No, there's already a special hell reserved for those people...

134 Kragar  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:07:57pm

re: #132 EmmmieG

What about people who talk on their cellphones at movie theaters? I'm up for a public pelting with chocolate covered raisins, or gummy bears.

Those who do not use their turn signal propely should face the cleansing fire.

135 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:08:41pm

re: #134 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Those who do not use their turn signal propely should face the cleansing fire.

Favorite bumper sticker, still:

Visualize Using Your Turn Signal

136 spare o'lake  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:09:45pm

Actually there are 613 commandments in the Torah.
Go ahead, have some more fun!
[Link: www.swartzentrover.com...]

137 Four More Tears  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:10:23pm

re: #135 EmmmieG

Favorite bumper sticker, still:

Visualize Using Your Turn Signal

Image: dont_use_your_turn_signal_bumper_sticker-p128631979704364897tmn6_210.jpg

138 Eclectic Infidel  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:11:52pm

re: #3 brookly red

Well maybe not but just try to find an open liquor store on Sunday...

Not a problem here in the SF Bay Area :)

139 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:11:53pm

re: #131 Shiplord Kirel

There are Dominionists who believe that homosexuals and adulterous wives should be publicly stoned. They don't include adulterous husbands for some reason, probably self-interest.

They also believe that heterosexual, Christian, males are at the top of the heap and should have rights over other things.

140 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:12:00pm

re: #132 EmmmieG

What about people who talk on their cellphones at movie theaters? I'm up for a public pelting with chocolate covered raisins, or gummy bears.

I'm ok with that. At least adulterers usually commit their sins in private where they won't annoy anyone else.

141 Kragar  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:13:36pm

Hamas TV forced to halt broadcasts to Europe

GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip — A France-based satellite provider is halting broadcasts of the Hamas TV channel to Europe and parts of the Arab world because of concerns that it spreads incitement, a station official said Tuesday.

The decision will deprive Gaza-based al-Aqsa TV of most of its viewers, said the channel's head, Hazem Sharawy.

The Hamas station — best known for its children's programs glorifying violence against Israel — is the centerpiece of a growing media operation of Gaza's Islamic militant Hamas rulers. Losing the satellite provider will hamper the group's attempts to spread its message and raise funds abroad.

142 A Man for all Seasons  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:13:53pm

re: #137 JasonA

Image: dont_use_your_turn_signal_bumper_sticker-p12863197 9704364897tmn6_210.jpg

My favorite Tee shirt all of time..Some just smoking hot Blond walked past me with a shirt on that said..
You can't be first..But you might be next..

I almost fainted..*wink*

143 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:14:29pm

Bachmann to BP: Don't 'be chumps'

"They have to lift the liability cap," said Bachmann. "But if I was the head of BP, I would let the signal get out there -- 'We're not going to be chumps, and we're not going to be fleeced.' And they shouldn't be. They shouldn't have to be fleeced and make chumps to have to pay for perpetual unemployment and all the rest -- they've got to be legitimate claims.

"The other thing we have to remember is that Obama loves to make evil whatever company it is that he wants to get more power from. He makes them evil, and what we've got to ask ourselves is: Do we really want to be paying $9 for a gallon of gas? Because that could be the final result of this."

144 Four More Tears  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:14:35pm

re: #141 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Hamas TV forced to halt broadcasts to Europe

Holy shit.. they were showing that in Europe?

145 brookly red  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:15:02pm

re: #144 JasonA

Holy shit.. they were showing that in Europe?

not anymore :)

146 Kragar  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:15:18pm

re: #142 HoosierHoops

My favorite Tee shirt all of time..Some just smoking hot Blond walked past me with a shirt on that said..
You can't be first..But you might be next..

I almost fainted..*wink*

I keep meaning to buy this one.

Image: pp_i_see_youve_noticed_my_big_pp_tshirt-p235383758265274770qrdq_400.jpg

147 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:15:42pm

re: #133 JasonA

No, there's already a special hell reserved for those people...

An eternal flight in coach, with a kicking, screaming baby behind them and no liquor service.

148 Boogberg  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:15:44pm

re: #141 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

That's a serious blow. Good on 'em.

149 Kragar  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:16:05pm

re: #148 Boogberg

That's a serious blow. Good on 'em.

Took em long enough.

150 Four More Tears  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:16:21pm

re: #143 Killgore Trout

Bachmann to BP: Don't 'be chumps'

BP must be appeased.

/

151 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:16:48pm

re: #144 JasonA

Holy shit.. they were showing that in Europe?

Hell... that's nothing... I was watching a German TV show in Warsaw one evening, and they had a music video of some local (as in Western Europe local) heavy metal band doing the "Chicken Dance."

That should have been banned.

152 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:17:06pm

re: #131 Shiplord Kirel

There are Dominionists who believe that homosexuals and adulterous wives should be publicly stoned. They don't include adulterous husbands for some reason, probably self-interest.

American Christians are notably lacking in both faith and actions according to some...

"Muslims are calling for the executions of homosexuals in America," Dean said. "This just shows you they themselves are upholding the laws that are even in the Bible of the Judeo-Christian God, but they seem to be more moral than even the American Christians do, because these people are livid about enforcing their laws. They know homosexuality is an abomination."

[Link: www.change.org...]

So as you can see Radical Muslims are Holier than the typical American Christian, according to Rightwing Christians, because they actually kill Gay people as the scriptures call for!

/Who could have guessed that he was a Bachmann supporter?

153 researchok  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:18:06pm

The basis for our laws are not based on scriptural based verses.

They are based on a singular event, the story and lessons of the Exodus. That event enshrined the notion that all men are created equal, slavery and tyranny are always unacceptable and that freedom is always worth fighting for.

We do not God to tell us killing is bad and to honor our parents. We can live in an ordered society with a Sabbath Day. We do need God and Scriptures if we want our lives to have meaning beyond a finite stay.

Faith is personal. When faith is fully integrated into a society, you end up with Yemen.

That the Founders may have been religious is admirable. Their ideas have helped shape this great democracy. That the Founders understood that faith must remain personal and separate from society is even more admirable.

154 Cato the Elder  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:18:38pm

In my capacity as Censor, and surrounded by my lictors and the other appurtenances of office, I, Cato, hereby decree and declare, that laws shall be obeyed.

Any questions?

155 Boogberg  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:18:53pm

re: #149 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Took em long enough.

It's gonna take time to dismantle the fortress of hate.

156 brookly red  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:19:23pm

re: #154 Cato the Elder

In my capacity as Censor, and surrounded by my lictors and the other appurtenances of office, I, Cato, hereby decree and declare, that laws shall be obeyed.

Any questions?

can I throw the rock now?

157 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:19:37pm

re: #152 ausador

:blink: Wow. Just... wow.

158 researchok  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:19:41pm

re: #153 researchok

Meant to say "without a Sabbath Day"

159 Political Atheist  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:19:41pm

OT again

The man that posted the Etheridge video to you tube wrote me back, confirming the young "student" really wants to keep his identity secret. Afraid of the media(after what happened to Joe The Plumber). Oh the agony! //
His youtube nic is StageRightShow.
I wrote him back pressing for motive-and flat out asked if this was another Acorn style sting. We'll see what he says. Might be interesting.

160 Kragar  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:19:49pm

re: #154 Cato the Elder

In my capacity as Censor, and surrounded by my lictors and the other appurtenances of office, I, Cato, hereby decree and declare, that laws shall be obeyed.

Any questions?

What is the air speed velocity of an unladden swallow?

161 Eclectic Infidel  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:20:43pm

re: #15 brookly red

The not coveting thing is amusing, the entire marketing/advertising industry is based on coveting...

Capitalism and coveting walk hand in hand. Coveting is good for business.

162 Political Atheist  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:20:53pm

re: #152 ausador

Jaw drops. Gasp.

163 brookly red  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:21:44pm

re: #161 eclectic infidel

Capitalism and coveting walk hand in hand. Coveting is good for business.

in fact I covet good business...

164 albusteve  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:22:31pm

re: #154 Cato the Elder

In my capacity as Censor, and surrounded by my lictors and the other appurtenances of office, I, Cato, hereby decree and declare, that laws shall be obeyed.

Any questions?

are we allowed to drink?

165 albusteve  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:23:12pm

re: #160 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

What is the air speed velocity of an unladden swallow?

220 in a dive?

166 Stanghazi  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:23:37pm

re: #127 Walter L. Newton

Sent you an email Walter.

167 brookly red  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:23:51pm

re: #165 albusteve

220 in a dive?

what about the African swallow?

168 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:24:12pm

re: #164 albusteve

are we allowed to drink?

The blood of your enemies? Yes. It's taxed, though.

169 Boogberg  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:24:19pm

re: #159 Rightwingconspirator

That's juicy. :D

Keep us posted.

170 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:24:36pm

re: #143 Killgore Trout

Bachmann to BP: Don't 'be chumps'

BP execs versus Obama in the PR Ring; I'd say Obama wins that fight by knockout in the second round. Oil companies are not popular, and even if she's right (which I'm not saying she is), Obama would be able to them look like assholes after such a statement by holding up a picture of a pelican having oil cleaned off of it.

171 Cato the Elder  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:24:37pm

re: #164 albusteve

are we allowed to drink?

Only after pouring out the required libation to the gods.

172 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:24:44pm

re: #166 Stanley Sea

Sent you an email Walter.

I'll be looking for it.

173 albusteve  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:24:57pm

re: #167 brookly red

what about the African swallow?

they spit, from what I hear

174 darthstar  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:25:10pm

Happiness is having a chain-saw. I got the tree my wife knocked over onto our neighbor's Jaguar pieced up and out of his way so he'll be able to park, and fortunately the only branches to hit the Jag were small ones, so aside from a cracked windshield and a broken side-view mirror, it doesn't look like there was any body damage...lucky, lucky fall, all things considered.

I suspect the tail-light housing on the X5 will cost more than the windshield and mirror for the Jag.

175 albusteve  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:26:19pm

re: #171 Cato the Elder

Only after pouring out the required libation to the gods.

of course!...I'll even toss in a still beating heart for a Red Stripe

176 brookly red  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:26:24pm

re: #173 albusteve

they spit, from what I hear

that just came right up to the line ;)

177 windsagio  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:26:37pm

re: #174 darthstar

Awkward block party there >>

178 Cato the Elder  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:28:15pm

OT.

LOL.

Is it just me, or are people who look to "the universe" as some kind of quasi-benevolent force, because they can't stand the word "God", as risible as tits on a breastplate?

179 darthstar  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:28:35pm

re: #177 windsagio

Awkward block party there >>

Heh...he's a pretty easy going guy. I stacked the wood near his walk-way so he'll have it for his fireplace, so he should appreciate that part of the gesture, anyway.

180 brookly red  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:28:36pm

re: #174 darthstar

Happiness is having a chain-saw. I got the tree my wife knocked over onto our neighbor's Jaguar pieced up and out of his way so he'll be able to park, and fortunately the only branches to hit the Jag were small ones, so aside from a cracked windshield and a broken side-view mirror, it doesn't look like there was any body damage...lucky, lucky fall, all things considered.

I suspect the tail-light housing on the X5 will cost more than the windshield and mirror for the Jag.

I assume she knocked it over with a car, or do I need to start being nicer to you?

181 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:28:36pm

re: #171 Cato the Elder

Only after pouring out the required libation to the gods.

I can see we're going to have some problems here...

Anyone want to go hang out on a table rock with me and cause trouble?

182 Four More Tears  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:28:40pm

re: #171 Cato the Elder

Only after pouring out the required libation to the gods.

Yo, here's one for my deities in the hood...

183 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:29:24pm

re: #170 Dark_Falcon

BP execs versus Obama in the PR Ring; I'd say Obama wins that fight by knockout in the second round. Oil companies are not popular, and even if she's right (which I'm not saying she is), Obama would be able to them look like assholes after such a statement by holding up a picture of a pelican having oil cleaned off of it.

Tonight's speech would be a good opportunity for President Obama is instigate a reduction in pesticide usage up and down the Mississippi review, in all the surrounding farmlands and plantable areas that drains into the river. This would reduce the effect that pesticides have on the wildlife in the basin area. It's bad enough that the animals will have to now deal with oil on top of all the stuff that has been coming their way for years.

President Obama should mandate less pesticide use and the federal government should set up a farmers market agency which could help develop farmers markets up and down the Mississippi area, where people could buy food fresh from the farms, sans pesticides and other chemicals.

That's what President Obama should highlight in his speech tonight.

184 Boogberg  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:29:59pm

re: #181 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm there.

185 A Man for all Seasons  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:30:17pm

Well lizards...Huge storm arriving again in Indiana..Last night was bad..They say tonight my be worse with more flooding..And we are under tornado watch..Winston and I came back in after checking out...You can feel it coming and smell it coming...I bet we lose our power right when the game starts...
I HAVE NO BATTERIES FOR THE RADIO!
I'm a piss poor excuse for a hoosier..

186 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:30:32pm

re: #179 darthstar

Heh...he's a pretty easy going guy. I stacked the wood near his walk-way so he'll have it for his fireplace, so he should appreciate that part of the gesture, anyway.

Unless he trips over it.

187 darthstar  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:30:41pm

re: #180 brookly red

I assume she knocked it over with a car, or do I need to start being nicer to you?

Looking at the way the tree broke off at ground level, it's safe to assume the next wind storm would have brought it down anyway. Funny thing is, she broke our tea-kettle yesterday when she bumped it against the sink when cleaning it, so when she called me at work this morning, she simply said, "Well, I'm still breaking things." I asked, "What did you break?" and she said, "Bob's car." I do love that woman.

188 albusteve  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:30:48pm

the 10 are cool with me...I really don't care, I follow most laws to a tee and respect them as well...but when it comes to my personal behavior I do what I want, fuck the law...there is a price on that and I've paid it many times but I still do what the hell I please

189 windsagio  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:31:28pm

re: #183 Walter L. Newton

You're going at it backwards >>

The proper answer is to genetically engineer wildlife so they're pesticide resistant :D

190 spare o'lake  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:31:46pm

re: #178 Cato the Elder

OT.

LOL.

Is it just me, or are people who look to "the universe" as some kind of quasi-benevolent force, because they can't stand the word "God", as risible as tits on a breastplate?

It ain't just you,
But it ain't me too.

191 albusteve  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:32:20pm

re: #183 Walter L. Newton

Tonight's speech would be a good opportunity for President Obama is instigate a reduction in pesticide usage up and down the Mississippi review, in all the surrounding farmlands and plantable areas that drains into the river. This would reduce the effect that pesticides have on the wildlife in the basin area. It's bad enough that the animals will have to now deal with oil on top of all the stuff that has been coming their way for years.

President Obama should mandate less pesticide use and the federal government should set up a farmers market agency which could help develop farmers markets up and down the Mississippi area, where people could buy food fresh from the farms, sans pesticides and other chemicals.

That's what President Obama should highlight in his speech tonight.

there will be a thread...bet me

192 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:32:46pm

re: #178 Cato the Elder

The Universe, as all things looked too in such a way, is cold and indifferent. It rewards cruelty and dishonesty with power and wealth, and cares not for the struggle of mankind. Or something like that.

193 Eclectic Infidel  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:33:18pm

re: #56 TampaKnight

Uh, we punish murderers and the Bible says "thou shall not kill".

What more proof do you need?

Did you read the article? There are other commandments that clash with the Constitution.

From the article,

6) Thou shalt not kill.

Now we’re getting somewhere. This action forbidden by God actually is illegal!

Now, I can argue that this particular action was objectionable long before the Ten Commandments were etched in stone. Heck, even some other primates apparently can grieve over the loss of other primates. So I don’t think we can actually state that our laws are based on this Commandment; it’s more like they have a common ancestor. Note too that the code of Ur-Nammu, which predates Moses by centuries, expressly forbad murder.

Also, people kill all the time, and it’s not necessarily illegal. Soldiers, for example, or killing in self defense. Some people say that the Commandment actually translates to "murder", which would then exclude my two examples. Fair enough. But either way, the Commandments can’t really claim first rights to this one.

However, I can’t rule out that our law is based on this Commandment; even if other civilizations had their own rules, ours may have a different pedigree. From what I’ve read, much of the rules laid out in the Constitution were taken from British law, and that itself may have roots traceable back to the Commandments.

194 Eclectic Infidel  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:34:02pm

re: #181 SanFranciscoZionist

I can see we're going to have some problems here...

Anyone want to go hang out on a table rock with me and cause trouble?

Hail Eris! Sure, I'll hang with you.

195 darthstar  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:34:12pm

re: #186 Walter L. Newton

Unless he trips over it.

near the walkway...not on it.

196 sattv4u2  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:34:22pm

re: #183 Walter L. Newton

That's what President Obama should highlight in his speech tonight

he should, but won't

I just got to work and most likely won't be able to be on LGF during the speech, but I propose a drinking game

One shot for each time the President says;
UNPRECEDENTED
UNREGULATED
FAILURES OF THE PAST ADMIN.


You should be three sheets to the wind 16 minutes in!

197 Boogberg  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:34:26pm

re: #191 albusteve

I call! :D

198 brookly red  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:34:38pm

re: #192 Slumbering Behemoth

The Universe, as all things looked too in such a way, is cold and indifferent. It rewards cruelty and dishonesty with power and wealth, and cares not for the struggle of mankind. Or something like that.

/the universe? darn the way I heard it told was the gubermint...

199 windsagio  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:34:56pm

re: #195 darthstar

You have to admit, it would be funny >>

200 spare o'lake  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:35:45pm

re: #181 SanFranciscoZionist

I can see we're going to have some problems here...
Anyone want to go hang out on a table rock with me and cause trouble?

Fair warning: If I go hang out on a flat rock it ain't gonna be pretty.

201 A Man for all Seasons  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:35:57pm

re: #196 sattv4u2

That's what President Obama should highlight in his speech tonight

he should, but won't

I just got to work and most likely won't be able to be on LGF during the speech, but I propose a drinking game

One shot for each time the President says;
UNPRECEDENTED
UNREGULATED
FAILURES OF THE PAST ADMIN.

You should be three sheets to the wind 16 minutes in!

WWRS
(What Would Reagan say)

202 brookly red  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:36:04pm

re: #196 sattv4u2

That's what President Obama should highlight in his speech tonight

he should, but won't

I just got to work and most likely won't be able to be on LGF during the speech, but I propose a drinking game

One shot for each time the President says;
UNPRECEDENTED
UNREGULATED
FAILURES OF THE PAST ADMIN.

You should be three sheets to the wind 16 minutes in!

gonna be hard to blame Bush for this one...

203 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:36:15pm

re: #189 windsagio

re: #191 albusteve

Just a little background on that long comment of mine. It was actually something I heard on Thom Hartmann's radio talk show today. Hartmann is as progressively left as Rush is radically right. The discussion was on what people wanted to hear from President Obama tonight.

That was only one of the lefty unicorn worshipers comments. They ranged from outlawing the use of petroleum starting NOW, to nationalizing all energy industries.

It was absolutely refreshing to be reminded that there is still a lot of crazy left... on the left. If you think the right is tanking, you need to pay close attention to whose rowing the boat.

204 sattv4u2  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:36:34pm

re: #189 windsagio

You're going at it backwards >>

The proper answer is to genetically engineer wildlife so they're pesticide resistant :D

Back in "the day" I had an apartment where the roaches would BEG us to spray them with RAID

They seemed to thrive on it!

205 sattv4u2  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:37:22pm

re: #202 brookly red

gonna be hard to blame Bush for this one...

Doesn't have to

The catch all is FAILURES OF THE PAST ADMIN.

206 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:37:46pm

re: #198 brookly red

/the universe? darn the way I heard it told was the gubermint...

Gubermint? Isn't that some kind of flavored candy? Yes, I believe it is. I hear tell they don't have any of that kind of candy in Somalia. Maybe that's why those fellows are always trying to steal foreign ships.

207 albusteve  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:38:07pm

re: #203 Walter L. Newton

the entire govt is tanking, but I'm safe and sound....cash rules!

208 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:38:26pm

By the way, Pamela Geller was claiming that "Paypal caved" yesterday -- but if you check out her site, you'll notice that she no longer has Paypal logos or donation forms. That's what Paypal told her she had to do, as a person who "promotes hate."

She now has a different pay service on her site.

In reality, it's Geller who "caved." She's cleverly trying to paint it as a win, but it's another creepy little dodge from the shrieking harpy. If she had actually "won" anything, she'd be triumphantly putting the Paypal logos back.

209 brookly red  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:38:55pm

re: #205 sattv4u2

Doesn't have to

The catch all is FAILURES OF THE PAST ADMIN.

seems to be getting old... even in Libsville.

210 windsagio  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:38:56pm

re: #203 Walter L. Newton

Hartmann lives in PDX now, so I know him well :D Can't stand listening to the local lefty station tho (unless you count NPR).

It really does get to the heart of why the far left has problems with O right now tho', they're projecting all these crazy ideas on him, and he's just not that guy.

(PS: If you didn't guess, yes I know that GM wildlife is an utterly silly idea :P)

211 darthstar  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:39:30pm

re: #201 HoosierHoops

WWRS
(What Would Reagan say)

"We're invading Grenada!"

212 sattv4u2  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:39:46pm

re: #201 HoosierHoops

WWRS
(What Would Reagan say)



"Government is not a solution to our problem, government is the problem."

[Link: www.quotedb.com...]

213 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:39:57pm

re: #196 sattv4u2

That's what President Obama should highlight in his speech tonight

he should, but won't

I just got to work and most likely won't be able to be on LGF during the speech, but I propose a drinking game

One shot for each time the President says;
UNPRECEDENTED
UNREGULATED
FAILURES OF THE PAST ADMIN.

You should be three sheets to the wind 16 minutes in!

You also have to add the three Obama buzzphrases:

HOPE
CHANGE
YES WE CAN

I wish I could add a "How do we generate power, then? Unicorn farts?" point too.

214 brookly red  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:40:09pm

re: #204 sattv4u2

Back in "the day" I had an apartment where the roaches would BEG us to spray them with RAID

They seemed to thrive on it!

we used to say Raid makes roaches pregnant...

215 Boogberg  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:40:19pm

re: #201 HoosierHoops

No way President Obama will bring up previous admins. You just don't do that in a situation like this.

216 albusteve  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:40:37pm

re: #210 windsagio

Hartmann lives in PDX now, so I know him well :D Can't stand listening to the local lefty station tho (unless you count NPR).

It really does get to the heart of why the far left has problems with O right now tho', they're projecting all these crazy ideas on him, and he's just not that guy.

(PS: If you didn't guess, yes I know that GM wildlife is an utterly silly idea :P)

nobody needs to load up on BO...his dismal record speaks for itself, and all the while his drooling minions appear more stupid by the day

217 sattv4u2  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:41:07pm

re: #208 Charles

By the way, Pamela Geller was claiming that "Paypal caved" yesterday -- but if you check out her site, you'll notice that she no longer has Paypal logos or donation forms. That's what Paypal told her she had to do, as a person who "promotes hate."

She now has a different pay service on her site.

In reality, it's Geller who "caved." She's cleverly trying to paint it as a win, but it's another creepy little dodge from the shrieking harpy.

How can she possibly spin it that way? I could see if she and PayPal reached some accord where PayPal was still on her site(s) somehow, but if they are totally gone ,,,,????

218 windsagio  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:41:17pm

re: #204 sattv4u2

I mentioned the GM thing also because its funny how things work out; They engineered crops to be resistant to specific pesticides, but found that the weeds around them are gaining by some cool sciency means the genes for resistance.

Not on topic to anything, but kinda crazy cool.

219 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:41:32pm

Catch y'all laters...

The Three Most Common Uses of Irony

220 windsagio  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:42:05pm

re: #216 albusteve

With all due respect, your opinion on Obama was set well before he was even elected :P

221 Cato the Elder  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:42:20pm

Hi, I'm from The Universe, and I'm here to help!

222 brookly red  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:42:27pm

re: #215 Boogberg

No way President Obama will bring up previous admins. You just don't do that in a situation like this.

Oh I bet not only does he do that he brings up Katrina at least 3 times...

223 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:42:39pm

re: #211 darthstar

"We're invading Grenada!"

Well, that did work. We booted a nasty communist regime out and returned democracy to the island. It was a win for everyone but Cuba and the USSR.

224 darthstar  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:42:44pm

re: #215 Boogberg

No way President Obama will bring up previous admins. You just don't do that in a situation like this.

I think this speech will be about what the Administration is doing, and has been doing since the day after the disaster occurred. Then he'll talk about what he's proposing going forward, as well as put in a plug for the extra 50 billion in stimulus money he wants to help protect jobs at the state level.

And he should get it.

225 windsagio  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:42:48pm

re: #217 sattv4u2

Easy answer is "She's a liar" ;)

226 albusteve  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:42:57pm

re: #215 Boogberg

No way President Obama will bring up previous admins. You just don't do that in a situation like this.

ha!...wtf?...it's a integral part of his strategy to maintain popularity...he's a weak finger pointer that has to have a Czar to get anything done...it's comical, but even more so are his defenders...he's blown the Spill, over a month ago

227 sattv4u2  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:43:06pm

re: #220 windsagio

With all due respect, your opinion on Obama all elected officials was set well before TheY was ere even elected :P

ftfy ,, if you haven't noticed, steve has no affinity for ANY of "them"

228 sattv4u2  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:43:23pm

re: #221 Cato the Elder

Hi, I'm from The Universe, and I'm here to help!

SpaceJesus ,, is that you ??

229 spare o'lake  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:43:32pm

re: #217 sattv4u2

How can she possibly spin it that way? I could see if she and PayPal reached some accord where PayPal was still on her site(s) somehow, but if they are totally gone ,,,???

Maybe she still has the PP account but can't use it on her site.

230 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:43:52pm

re: #217 sattv4u2

How can she possibly spin it that way? I could see if she and PayPal reached some accord where PayPal was still on her site(s) somehow, but if they are totally gone ,,,???

She's utterly indifferent to the facts and incapable of admitting error, that's how.

231 windsagio  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:43:55pm

re: #227 sattv4u2

I'm sure he'd agree that he thinks Obama is worse :p

(Or is it reverse psychology?!!?)

232 researchok  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:44:00pm

re: #208 Charles

By the way, Pamela Geller was claiming that "Paypal caved" yesterday -- but if you check out her site, you'll notice that she no longer has Paypal logos or donation forms. That's what Paypal told her she had to do, as a person who "promotes hate."

She now has a different pay service on her site.

In reality, it's Geller who "caved." She's cleverly trying to paint it as a win, but it's another creepy little dodge from the shrieking harpy.

She did claim that PayPal retracted but that she chose to 'retaliate' by going with another service. Seems to me if she wanted to stick it to PayPal, she would be crowing about it morning, noon and night.

233 albusteve  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:44:16pm

re: #220 windsagio

With all due respect, your opinion on Obama was set well before he was even elected :P

yes, a few of us saw this disaster coming, you are correct...in fact I predicted this mess, check the archives...a lot of people just don't like this fraud

234 sattv4u2  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:44:28pm

re: #231 windsagio

I'm sure he'd agree that he thinks Obama is worse :p

(Or is it reverse psychology?!!?)

well,,, he IS !!

//

235 windsagio  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:45:02pm

re: #234 sattv4u2

I really do like the cut of your jib.

Yer freakin' wrong of course, but I like you anyways ;)

236 sattv4u2  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:45:14pm

re: #215 Boogberg

No way President Obama will bring up previous admins. You just don't do that in a situation like this.

You're new to this, huh !?!?!
/

237 brookly red  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:45:18pm

re: #226 albusteve

ha!...wtf?...it's a integral part of his strategy to maintain popularity...he's a weak finger pointer that has to have a Czar to get anything done...it's comical, but even more so are his defenders...he's blown the Spill, over a month ago

But on the bright side Bobby (we don't need no stinkin badges) Jindal is building the barriers

238 A Man for all Seasons  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:45:28pm

re: #211 darthstar

"We're invading Grenada!"

He was a leader.. I liked his speeches at first..Then he got old real fast in office...The pressure is so intense...Look at Obama..The pressure threatens to crush a young man...He'll be completely gray next year...

239 Cato the Elder  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:45:34pm

re: #233 albusteve

yes, a few of us saw this disaster coming, you are correct...in fact I predicted this mess, check the archives...a lot of people just don't like this fraud

Um, Steve, could you enumerate the various facets of the "disaster", as compared and contrasted with what we might have expected under McCain/Grifter?

240 sattv4u2  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:45:56pm

re: #235 windsagio

I really do like the cut of your jib.

Yer freakin' wrong of course, but I like you anyways ;)

Stop complimenting me. I'd rather you just send cash

241 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:45:57pm

re: #185 HoosierHoops

You have an hour before game time.
Go get some batteries!
Pronto!
*waves*

242 albusteve  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:45:57pm

re: #227 sattv4u2

ftfy ,, if you haven't noticed, steve has no affinity for ANY of "them"

noobs...what can you say about them...they never lurked which I feel should be a requirement

243 Racer X  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:47:40pm

re: #224 darthstar

I think this speech will be about what the Administration is doing, and has been doing since the day after the disaster occurred. Then he'll talk about what he's proposing going forward, as well as put in a plug for the extra 50 billion in stimulus money he wants to help protect jobs at the state level.

And he should get it.

Make it a Hundred Billion. It's only money.

244 reine.de.tout  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:47:44pm

re: #143 Killgore Trout

Bachmann to BP: Don't 'be chumps'


"They have to lift the liability cap," said Bachmann. "But if I was the head of BP, I would let the signal get out there -- 'We're not going to be chumps, and we're not going to be fleeced.' And they shouldn't be. They shouldn't have to be fleeced and make chumps to have to pay for perpetual unemployment and all the rest -- they've got to be legitimate claims.
"The other thing we have to remember is that Obama loves to make evil whatever company it is that he wants to get more power from. He makes them evil, and what we've got to ask ourselves is: Do we really want to be paying $9 for a gallon of gas? Because that could be the final result of this."

Well, I would invite Ms. Bachmann here in a month or two, to check out for herself the legitimacy of claims being filed (which BP is being awfuly damned slow to pay, BTW).

And I'm just not getting where she things Obama loves to "make evil whatever company he wants to get more power from".

It sounds to me like she would perhaps let BP off the hook, if she could.

It isn't the claims BP has to pay that will result in higher gas prices - if anything does it, it'll be the drilling moratorium, if it's not lifted.

Gah, it's amazing to me how little anybody knows about what's going on.

245 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:47:46pm

re: #242 albusteve

noobs...what can you say about them...they never lurked which I feel should be a requirement

Can't we just replace it with a pop quiz and some snacks for the clubhouse?

246 darthstar  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:48:04pm

re: #235 windsagio

I really do like the cut of your jib.

Yer freakin' wrong of course, but I like you anyways ;)

He's not wrong...he's just mizzen the point.

247 sattv4u2  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:48:16pm

re: #243 Racer X

Make it a Hundred Billion. It's only money.

A Bajillion!

248 windsagio  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:48:23pm

re: #238 HoosierHoops

Never was a big fan of Reagan (amongst other things, I can't get Iran-Contra out of my head. LOLDEALINGWITHTERRORISTS), but really its ironic that he was exactly what people like to claim Obama is.

A set of reasonably well pretented values packaged in a nice set of soundbytes.

249 albusteve  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:48:23pm

re: #237 brookly red

But on the bright side Bobby (we don't need no stinkin badges) Jindal is building the barriers

cool, I like it...he's taking control, something BO is very weak at...he's an organizer after all...so what has he organized in two months?...we'll get the drivel tonight

250 sattv4u2  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:48:44pm

re: #246 darthstar

He's not wrong...he's just mizzen the point.

No. I see the point every time you remove your hat!

251 windsagio  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:48:45pm

re: #246 darthstar

You are awful.

252 darthstar  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:49:03pm

re: #243 Racer X

Make it a Hundred Billion. It's only money.

Make it 500 billion and we can actually get the economy rolling a little stronger, faster.

253 engineer cat  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:49:17pm
Mr. Hayward famously said the spill's environmental impact "is likely to be very, very modest"

Our Anger
Is Very Modest
It's Very, Very Modest
We Hate You Very Modestly

Your Humiliation
Will Be Modest
It Will Be Very, Very Modest
You Will Be Disgraced Quite Modestly

Your Company
Will Be Dismantled, Modesty
Will Be Sold For Reparations, Modestly
It's Utter Bankruptcy Will Destroy It Very Modestly

254 Racer X  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:49:35pm

re: #248 windsagio

Never was a big fan of Reagan (amongst other things, I can't get Iran-Contra out of my head. LOLDEALINGWITHTERRORISTS), but really its ironic that he was exactly what people like to claim Obama is.

A set of reasonably well pretented values packaged in a nice set of soundbytes.

Obama = Reagan?

YES!

*fistpump*

255 brookly red  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:50:05pm

re: #252 darthstar

Make it 500 billion and we can actually get the economy rolling a little stronger, faster.

well that should come out of the unused stimulus money, right?

256 Boogberg  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:50:06pm

re: #226 albusteve

ha!...wtf?...it's a integral part of his strategy to maintain popularity...he's a weak finger pointer that has to have a Czar to get anything done...it's comical, but even more so are his defenders...he's blown the Spill, over a month ago

Bullshit! You're gonna eat those words, bub. Just you wait.

257 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:50:20pm

*Best Col. Tigh bellow* What in the Gods names is going on in here?!

258 sattv4u2  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:50:21pm

re: #252 darthstar

Make it 500 billion and we can actually get the economy rolling a little stronger, faster.

Yeah,, cause the last $787 Billion has done WONDERS!

259 Racer X  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:50:22pm

re: #252 darthstar

Make it 500 billion and we can actually get the economy rolling a little stronger, faster.

Lets make it a Zillion and we can ALL live like Kings!

260 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:50:58pm

re: #248 windsagio

Never was a big fan of Reagan (amongst other things, I can't get Iran-Contra out of my head. LOLDEALINGWITHTERRORISTS), but really its ironic that he was exactly what people like to claim Obama is.

A set of reasonably well pretented values packaged in a nice set of soundbytes.

I have the same exact problem... I can't get DEALINGWITHKARZAI out of my head.

261 windsagio  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:51:03pm

re: #254 Racer X

See that's the positive way to look at it ;)

In the name of compromise, I'll say He's Reagan without making criminal deals with terrorists :D

262 albusteve  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:51:03pm

re: #239 Cato the Elder

Um, Steve, could you enumerate the various facets of the "disaster", as compared and contrasted with what we might have expected under McCain/Grifter?

not the spill disaster, the fact that the right would go berzerk when BO was electected...and I despise McCain, fucking sell out whore

263 SixDegrees  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:51:14pm

re: #243 Racer X

Make it a Hundred Billion. It's only money.

Actually, it isn't even money anymore, anymore than the limit on your credit card is "money."

264 spare o'lake  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:51:15pm

re: #239 Cato the Elder

Um, Steve, could you enumerate the various facets of the "disaster", as compared and contrasted with what we might have expected under McCain/Grifter?

You shouldn't talk like that about the 3rd most popular Republican in America.
[Link: realclearpolitics.blogs.time.com...]

265 darthstar  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:51:20pm

re: #250 sattv4u2

No. I see the point every time you remove your hat!

Are you looking at me, or my Arrow?

266 A Man for all Seasons  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:51:31pm

re: #241 Floral Giraffe

You have an hour before game time.
Go get some batteries!
Pronto!
*waves*

No way I'm driving with this storm coming in..Although upon further review It looks the Tornado's will pass just south of us..
I hope you are well and how the heck is that new smoking machine running?
GO CELTICS!
*waves*

267 Kragar  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:51:50pm

re: #259 Racer X

Lets make it a Zillion and we can ALL live like Kings!

Now that Obama is President, I wont have to worry about paying for gas or my mortgage ever again!
/

268 windsagio  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:51:55pm

re: #260 Walter L. Newton

Sorry, left out 'illegally'.

Better? :)

269 darthstar  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:51:59pm

re: #261 windsagio

See that's the positive way to look at it ;)

In the name of compromise, I'll say He's Reagan without making criminal deals with terrorists :D

Oliver North and the Iran-Contra affair not-withstanding.

270 albusteve  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:52:06pm

re: #248 windsagio

Never was a big fan of Reagan (amongst other things, I can't get Iran-Contra out of my head. LOLDEALINGWITHTERRORISTS), but really its ironic that he was exactly what people like to claim Obama is.

A set of reasonably well pretented values packaged in a nice set of soundbytes.

how could you have been a Reagan fan at 4 years old?...nice try

271 sattv4u2  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:52:33pm

re: #266 HoosierHoops

re: #241 Floral Giraffe

*waves*

Will you two stop waving

I'm getting seasick!

272 windsagio  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:52:39pm

re: #264 spare o'lake

Poor guys, they're in for a really tough time in a few years, if that keeps up :(

273 brookly red  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:53:01pm

re: #263 SixDegrees

Actually, it isn't even money anymore, anymore than the limit on your credit card is "money."

/China is starting to make collection calls regarding my Master Card.

274 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:53:03pm

re: #271 sattv4u2

re: #241 Floral Giraffe

*waves*

Will you two stop waving

I'm getting seasick!

Passes sattv a barf bag.

275 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:53:11pm

re: #266 HoosierHoops

No way I'm driving with this storm coming in..Although upon further review It looks the Tornado's will pass just south of us..
I hope you are well and how the heck is that new smoking machine running?
GO CELTICS!
*waves*

Chicken... tornados normally move northeast... just head for a store in the opposite direction.

276 sattv4u2  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:53:24pm

re: #274 Floral Giraffe

Passes sattv a barf bag.

UNused, please

277 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:53:30pm

re: #266 HoosierHoops

New machine is fast.
I like that!
Go Lakers!

278 albusteve  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:53:39pm

re: #256 Boogberg

Bullshit! You're gonna eat those words, bub. Just you wait.

bring it on...waiting is all we do for this guy

279 spare o'lake  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:53:46pm

re: #246 darthstar

He's not wrong...he's just mizzen the point.

Why make such a brig deal about it?

280 sattv4u2  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:53:46pm

re: #275 Walter L. Newton

Chicken... tornados normally move northeast... just head for a store in the opposite direction.

ummm,,, eerrrr,,, he'll have to come BACK, no !?!?

281 windsagio  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:54:15pm

re: #269 darthstar

Oliver North and the Iran-Contra affair not-withstanding.

Well that's what I'm specifically referring to with Reagan, so...

(In truth I think he was awful beyond that, but there's no good way to argue that point, so its actually worth the time typing to point out Iran-Contra and what it really represented).

282 albusteve  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:54:25pm

re: #258 sattv4u2

Yeah,, cause the last $787 Billion has done WONDERS!

jeezus people are stupid

283 brookly red  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:54:59pm

re: #270 albusteve

how could you have been a Reagan fan at 4 years old?...nice try

well even a 4 year old can tell right from wrong...

284 sattv4u2  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:55:05pm

re: #282 albusteve

jeezus people are stupid gullible


They WANT to believe

HOPE
CHANGE

285 A Man for all Seasons  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:55:07pm

re: #271 sattv4u2

re: #241 Floral Giraffe

*waves*

Will you two stop waving

I'm getting seasick!

Have you ever been seasick?
The first day or two you are afraid you are going to die
After that
You are afraid you are going to live..

286 Kragar  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:55:24pm

re: #269 darthstar

Oliver North and the Iran-Contra affair not-withstanding.

Fighting soldier in Vietnam
The perfect son to any mom.
He's one part man
One part machine.
He's Ollie Morth
the Mute Marine.

287 darthstar  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:55:53pm

re: #279 spare o'lake

Why make such a brig deal about it?

That almost made me luff out loud.

288 Racer X  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:55:57pm

re: #263 SixDegrees

Actually, it isn't even money anymore, anymore than the limit on your credit card is "money."

No?

Dammit!

289 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:56:03pm

re: #253 engineer dog

Our Anger
Is Very Modest
It's Very, Very Modest
We Hate You Very Modestly

Your Humiliation
Will Be Modest
It Will Be Very, Very Modest
You Will Be Disgraced Quite Modestly

Your Company
Will Be Dismantled, Modesty
Will Be Sold For Reparations, Modestly
It's Utter Bankruptcy Will Destroy It Very Modestly

Please don't wish for BP to be destroyed. My father retired from BP after the Amoco merger and they still pay for my parents' health care. It's very important to me that they stay solvent.

290 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:56:17pm

re: #210 windsagio

What in the world is PDX... is that a mental institution?

291 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:56:25pm

re: #285 HoosierHoops

Nope, I've never been seasick.
I probably will be, next time out,
for typing that!

292 windsagio  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:56:40pm

re: #283 brookly red

Unfortunately, back then I didn't know any better >>

I think I actually really became aware of Reagan through Bloom County.

293 reine.de.tout  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:57:11pm

FYI - If anyone is interested:

Rig Disaster Response Timeline - Begins 4/20, ends 6/9 for some reason.


Current response operations (is current through today, goes back to 4/20)
Response in the early days is commensurate with search/rescue operations and the early reports that this was "minor".

294 windsagio  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:57:13pm

re: #290 Walter L. Newton

Airport code for Portland Oregon. Also local slang for same :)

295 Kragar  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:57:22pm

Well, apparently I know why my back is feeling better. The pain medication I was taking every 4 hours changed its directions and is supposed to be every 8 to 12 hours. Joy.

296 brookly red  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:57:22pm

re: #292 windsagio

Unfortunately, back then I didn't know any better >>

I think I actually really became aware of Reagan through Bloom County.

yes and it shows.

297 darthstar  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:57:24pm

re: #290 Walter L. Newton

What in the world is PDX... is that a mental institution?

It is if you're from southern Washington.

298 A Man for all Seasons  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:57:43pm

re: #277 Floral Giraffe

New machine is fast.
I like that!
Go Lakers!

Well you are running a really high end machine...
And on topic
Thou shalt not covet thy neighbors computer

299 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:57:52pm

Lakers-Celtics coming up at 6. Obama address on BP spill at 5.

300 albusteve  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:57:54pm

the progs have burned out Bush, so they are going backwards to stiff Reagan....how pathetic people!....can you get with 2010 please, BO is your golden boy so lets make hay with what we have here

301 windsagio  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:58:05pm

re: #297 darthstar

.....


I now hate you so very very much.

302 windsagio  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:58:26pm

re: #296 brookly red

Gimme a break, I was like 8 :p

I'm not ancient like you guys :D

303 sattv4u2  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:58:29pm

re: #285 HoosierHoops

Have you ever been seasick?
The first day or two you are afraid you are going to die
After that
You are afraid you are going to live..

Went on a boat on Lake Winnipesaukee (NH) when I was about 8. Threw up WALKING UP THE GANGPLANK.

Ever since that time, not even a burp. I've taken 3 cruises and used to take a ferry from Portland Maine to an island in Casco bay to get to a cottage I owned there every weekend for 15 summers

304 albusteve  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:58:47pm

re: #290 Walter L. Newton

What in the world is PDX... is that a mental institution?

probably some fantasy term...it's where they live, Fantasyland

305 darthstar  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:58:48pm

re: #299 Charles

Lakers-Celtics coming up at 6. Obama address on BP spill at 5.

Wait! So you mean to tell me President Obama is pre-empting Bill O'Reilly and not some silly basketball game?!!?1! OUTRAGE!

306 Racer X  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:58:54pm

re: #295 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Well, apparently I know why my back is feeling better. The pain medication I was taking every 4 hours changed its directions and is supposed to be every 8 to 12 hours. Joy.

Better living through chemistry.

307 Kragar  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:59:21pm

How are the books treating you Floral? Should be some nice intrigues bouncing around by now.

308 Cato the Elder  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:59:21pm

re: #299 Charles

Lakers-Celtics coming up at 6. Obama address on BP spill at 5.

There's a hidden connection there, or my name is not Crazee McWingnut!

309 brookly red  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:59:49pm

re: #302 windsagio

Gimme a break, I was like 8 :p

I'm not ancient like you guys :D

perhaps you could learn a lot from the experiences of you elders...

310 Boogberg  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:59:52pm

re: #299 Charles

We don't all live in California, ya selfish bastard. :D

311 Bagua  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:59:54pm

American law which is not uniquely sourced to the American Constitution and the legislative and executive branch is sourced from English common law.

312 darthstar  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:00:02pm

re: #301 windsagio

...

I now hate you so very very much.

Aww...Portland's a beautiful city...you just don't want to have to drive by it between 2 and 6 pm on a given weekday as I-5 turns into a parking lot.

313 albusteve  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:00:08pm

re: #299 Charles

Lakers-Celtics coming up at 6. Obama address on BP spill at 5.

huh, 5 eastern?...where is he?...I'm mountain time

314 sattv4u2  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:00:39pm

re: #313 albusteve

huh, 5 eastern?...where is he?...I'm mountain time

5 Pacific (8 Eastern)

315 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:00:49pm

re: #307 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I'm still on book 4.
Life has been getting in the way of my reading time.
I'm still liking them!
Might even finish the series!

316 windsagio  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:01:04pm

re: #309 brookly red

Well your elders have to be right for that to work, y'know?

I've totally learned a ton from Darthstar and Avanti!

317 reine.de.tout  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:01:15pm

re: #313 albusteve

huh, 5 eastern?...where is he?...I'm mountain time

5 pacific, I would guess, since Charles in is Ca.

Makes it 7 my time.
6 yours, I would guess.

IN OTHER WORDS, IN ONE HOUR, the President will speak.

318 brookly red  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:01:49pm

re: #316 windsagio

Well your elders have to be right for that to work, y'know?

I've totally learned a ton from Darthstar and Avanti!

as have we all...

319 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:01:52pm

re: #312 darthstar

Aww...Portland's a beautiful city...you just don't want to have to drive by it between 2 and 6 pm on a given weekday as I-5 turns into a parking lot.

Interesting... there's no love lost among you folks of the northwest. Come on, hold hands, hug, go to the Mud Fair... can't we all get along?

320 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:02:17pm

Oh, and the Disemvoweler is now ready to wreak terrible havoc, if need be.

I'll test it with a mock stalker's flounce.

321 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:02:36pm

re: #317 reine.de.tout

LOL!
For the time zone challenged!

322 windsagio  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:02:38pm

re: #312 darthstar

Funnily, traffic is one of the reasons we moved from Seattle >>

323 darthstar  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:02:39pm

re: #316 windsagio

Well your elders have to be right for that to work, y'know?

I've totally learned a ton from Darthstar and Avanti!

Hey, I'm only 46...I've still got three or four good years left before I can be considered an "elder"...

324 lostlakehiker  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:02:40pm
1) I am the LORD thy God… Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

OK, that’s clear enough. Obviously, God is saying He’s the only one, and all other religions that have other gods, or other versions of The One God, are wrong.

So let’s take a look at the Constitution, specifically the First Amendment:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;


And this is perfectly consistent with the first commandment. The U.S. constitution does not put any other god before God. Because it doesn't put any religion or doctrine to the front of the line.

Points, 1, running total, 1. I go along with the rest of the list, so that scores up to 4.5 points out of 10.

But the whole exercise is silliness. The U.S. constitution is based on the experience of the American colonies, on the writings of various philosophers, on the history of England, the Roman republic, the Greek republics, and so on. But this whole back story is inextricably intertwined with the story of Judaism and Christianity. And so the U.S. constitution is also based on these. Not as an exclusive source; the constitution is not the Christian version of Sharia law. It is, though, a document that was written in the context of a civilization with its roots in Hammurabi, Solomon, Paul, and Constantine, as well as Cincinnatus, Pericles, and Elizabeth I. The ten commandments are as much a founding document as Hammurabi's code or the Magna Carta.

325 albusteve  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:02:57pm

re: #292 windsagio

Unfortunately, back then I didn't know any better >>

I think I actually really became aware of Reagan through Bloom County.

we know, a cartoon and now you're qualified to trash him?...kids

326 spare o'lake  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:02:59pm

re: #302 windsagio

Gimme a break, I was like 8 :p

I'm not ancient like you guys :D

Hah...ancient, you have no idea!
I can't even REMEMBER when I was ancient.

327 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:03:01pm

re: #320 Charles

Oh, and the Disemvoweler is now ready to wreak terrible havoc, if need be.

I'll test it with a mock stalker's flounce.

Here, so we can see it?

328 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:03:03pm

re: #305 darthstar

Wait! So you mean to tell me President Obama is pre-empting Bill O'Reilly and not some silly basketball game?!!?1! OUTRAGE!

O'Reilly has never had an objection to such speeches cutting into his show, as long he gets to host the commentators who will analyze the speech. He's much more rational about the news than Glenn Beck and his fanbase.

329 brookly red  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:03:09pm

re: #320 Charles

Oh, and the Disemvoweler is now ready to wreak terrible havoc, if need be.

I'll test it with a mock stalker's flounce.

is that some kind of German hunting dog?

330 Kragar  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:03:34pm

re: #315 Floral Giraffe

I'm still on book 4.
Life has been getting in the way of my reading time.
I'm still liking them!
Might even finish the series!

Book 4 had one of my favorite Storylines.

331 Stanghazi  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:03:44pm

re: #328 Dark_Falcon

O'Reilly has never had an objection to such speeches cutting into his show, as long he gets to host the commentators who will analyze the speech. He's much more rational about the news than Glenn Beck and his fanbase.

Wonder if he'll have Sister Sarah on?

332 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:03:51pm

re: #320 Charles

Oh, and the Disemvoweler is now ready to wreak terrible havoc, if need be.

I'll test it with a mock stalker's flounce.

Hey... test it on me... I'm pretty good with the foul language...

333 albusteve  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:04:05pm

re: #317 reine.de.tout

5 pacific, I would guess, since Charles in is Ca.

Makes it 7 my time.
6 yours, I would guess.

IN OTHER WORDS, IN ONE HOUR, the President will speak.

must be...thanks, I'm ready...got my armor donned, snark topped off and waiting

334 Racer X  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:04:10pm

re: #320 Charles

Oh, and the Disemvoweler is now ready to wreak terrible havoc, if need be.

I'll test it with a mock stalker's flounce.

Can't wait to see this in action.

335 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:04:14pm

re: #330 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I just started it.

336 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:04:20pm

Y flthy lftst hm! knw y wr nthng bt trnsntnl prgrssv trnz hm qr gy fggt! Fnlly, y shwd yr tr drwnst clrs, y hm fggt. Hw d y lk lckng Kllgr Trt's blls, gy fgt! !!1lvn

'll pry fr y t cm t yr snss bfr y brn n trnl trmnt, gy hm.

337 brookly red  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:04:21pm

re: #325 albusteve

we know, a cartoon and now you're qualified to trash him?...kids

sigh, at least he can read...

338 windsagio  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:04:36pm

re: #319 Walter L. Newton

Its more like people on different clouds ribbing each other.

339 darthstar  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:04:47pm

re: #324 lostlakehiker

1) I am the LORD thy God… Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

See? That's the commandment that always fucks me up...if I can't get past that one, how will I ever follow the other nine? (except the murderin' and stealin' ones...those are gimmes)

340 Cato the Elder  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:04:50pm

Simple proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy (besides the mere existence of beer):

Youtube Video

Honi soit qui mal y pense!

341 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:04:53pm

Heh.

342 albusteve  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:05:22pm

re: #314 sattv4u2

5 Pacific (8 Eastern)

got it

343 darthstar  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:05:29pm

re: #336 Charles

Y flthy lftst hm! knw y wr nthng bt trnsntnl prgrssv trnz hm qr gy fggt! Fnlly, y shwd yr tr drwnst clrs, y hm fggt. Hw d y lk lckng Kllgr Trt's blls, gy fgt! !!1lvn

'll pry fr y t cm t yr snss bfr y brn n trnl trmnt, gy hm.

I'd like to buy a vowel, Pat. Aw, hell...I'd like to buy all of 'em.

344 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:06:06pm

r: #336 Chrls

Y flthy lftst hm! knw y wr nthng bt trnsntnl prgrssv trnz hm qr gy fggt! Fnlly, y shwd yr tr drwnst clrs, y hm fggt. Hw d y lk lckng Kllgr Trt's blls, gy fgt! !!1lvn

'll pry fr y t cm t yr snss bfr y brn n trnl trmnt, gy hm.

Ths wll prbbly b tkn s cmplmnt, bt Chrls, n wy y wll vr mk fndmntl rght wngr... tht "grp spk" ws s phny... y wldn't vn fl Jhvh's Wtnss wth tht.

345 windsagio  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:06:16pm

re: #341 Charles
I like the gesture of good faith in not making yourself immune :D

(altho' that'd make the test kinda hard)

346 reine.de.tout  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:06:24pm

re: #327 Floral Giraffe

Here, so we can see it?

Yes, please!

347 Bagua  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:06:25pm

re: #336 Charles

Yikes!

Is everything ok?

348 albusteve  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:06:34pm

Charles deletes himself...better him than me I guess

349 Racer X  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:06:41pm

re: #336 Charles

You really hit a nerve with that one.

yikes

350 brookly red  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:07:46pm

mastiff time... oh joy.

351 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:07:46pm

re: #346 reine.de.tout

Yes, please!

It was 336, now deleted, but quoted a couple of times...
*waves*

352 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:07:51pm

Sorry, I was forced to disemvowel you, Walter.

353 reine.de.tout  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:07:52pm

re: #336 Charles

Y flthy lftst hm! knw y wr nthng bt trnsntnl prgrssv trnz hm qr gy fggt! Fnlly, y shwd yr tr drwnst clrs, y hm fggt. Hw d y lk lckng Kllgr Trt's blls, gy fgt! !!1lvn

'll pry fr y t cm t yr snss bfr y brn n trnl trmnt, gy hm.

hahaha!
The interesting words are obvious, still.
LOL.
Love it.

354 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:08:08pm

re: #320 Charles

Oh, and the Disemvoweler is now ready to wreak terrible havoc, if need be.

I'll test it with a mock stalker's flounce.

Very cool. That device should gut any Flouncer Trolls, thus speeding the process of grilling them.

355 Kragar  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:08:14pm

re: #336 Charles

Y flthy lftst hm! knw y wr nthng bt trnsntnl prgrssv trnz hm qr gy fggt! Fnlly, y shwd yr tr drwnst clrs, y hm fggt. Hw d y lk lckng Kllgr Trt's blls, gy fgt! !!1lvn

'll pry fr y t cm t yr snss bfr y brn n trnl trmnt, gy hm.

CTHULHU!

356 reine.de.tout  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:08:15pm

re: #351 Floral Giraffe

It was 336, now deleted, but quoted a couple of times...
*waves*

I can still see it!

357 engineer cat  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:08:24pm

re: #289 Dark_Falcon

Please don't wish for BP to be destroyed. My father retired from BP after the Amoco merger and they still pay for my parents' health care. It's very important to me that they stay solvent.

i shouldn't like for your parents to be hurt

i only wish i believed my wishes or prayers had power - the only invocations i seem to be able to make effectively involve 'if' statements and virtual voids

358 darthstar  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:08:37pm

re: #352 Charles

Sorry, I was forced to disemvowel you, Walter.

Disemvowel him? Hell, you deleted him!

359 windsagio  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:08:48pm

re: #356 reine.de.tout

Yeah it came back. I presume that's part of the process. Gotta take it out back so you don't get blood everywhere.

360 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:08:56pm

re: #352 Charles

Sorry, I was forced to disemvowel you, Walter.

Well... my point still stands... really, you need lessons in the religious right group speak... that was lame :)

361 Racer X  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:09:03pm

re: #352 Charles

Sorry, I was forced to disemvowel you, Walter.

Original is still there.

362 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:09:39pm

I deleted and brought those comments back, so you'd see the horror of their disemvowelment.

363 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:09:44pm

re: #336 Charles

Y flthy lftst hm! knw y wr nthng bt trnsntnl prgrssv trnz hm qr gy fggt! Fnlly, y shwd yr tr drwnst clrs, y hm fggt. Hw d y lk lckng Kllgr Trt's blls, gy fgt! !!1lvn

'll pry fr y t cm t yr snss bfr y brn n trnl trmnt, gy hm.

"You mustn't read from the book!"

/

364 Bagua  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:09:58pm

What on earth is going on here?

365 windsagio  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:10:22pm

re: #364 Bagua

Charles has a new toy, mainly.

A cool, cool new toy :D

366 reine.de.tout  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:10:23pm

re: #364 Bagua

What on earth is going on here?

Disemvowelment testing.

367 sattv4u2  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:10:25pm

GAWD,, It's starting

Theres a debate going on between two dem candidates for the North Carolina Senate seat

They are trying to outdo each other in their opposition to off shore drilling

"I've been against it for years"
"Yeah, well I've been against it for decades"
"Well, I when I was 5 I had a lemonade stand where all the proceeds went to fund ANTI-off shore drilling groups"
"Oh yeah, well when I was in the womb I kicked my mothers tummy to protest off shore drilling"

368 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:10:31pm

re: #336 Charles

Y flthy lftst hm! knw y wr nthng bt trnsntnl prgrssv trnz hm qr gy fggt! Fnlly, y shwd yr tr drwnst clrs, y hm fggt. Hw d y lk lckng Kllgr Trt's blls, gy fgt! !!1lvn

'll pry fr y t cm t yr snss bfr y brn n trnl trmnt, gy hm.

lol

369 windsagio  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:10:39pm

Also, I need to go get some food, so I can be back in time to watch the big O talk.

370 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:10:41pm

re: #364 Bagua

What on earth is going on here?

Testing a new troll-mocking tool. Disemvowelment.

371 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:10:59pm

re: #336 Charles

Very cool, and very funny. We should let a Stalker register a sock puppet, just to mock them when Charles disemvowels them.

372 windsagio  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:11:26pm

re: #371 Dark_Falcon

I think he should start using it on us when we get out of hand :D

/bbiab!

373 darthstar  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:11:33pm

Now if you'd be so kind as to disemvowel the Celtics...or at least take away their three point shooters.

374 sattv4u2  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:11:34pm

re: #370 Charles

Testing a new troll-mocking tool. Disemvowelment.

Can it be used in reverse? LEAVE all the volwles and ONLY the vowels!?!?

375 reine.de.tout  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:11:34pm

re: #340 Cato the Elder

Simple proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy (besides the mere existence of beer):


[Video]

Honi soit qui mal y pense!

How is Haku?

376 Boogberg  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:11:53pm

Homos, faggots and queers call each other homos, faggots and queers. I object! :D

377 CuriousLurker  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:11:55pm

re: #336 Charles

LOL, that's great. Makes it sound like someone's trying to talk after being gagged with duct tape.

Image: ducttape.jpg

378 Bagua  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:12:07pm

re: #370 Charles

Testing a new troll-mocking tool. Disemvowelment.

Oh, thank heavens. I thought the site had been hacked for a moment there.

379 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:12:22pm

re: #364 Bagua

What on earth is going on here?

Everyone is suddenly speaking in tongues... I think we've all been saved... or smoking something funny.

380 albusteve  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:12:24pm

re: #364 Bagua

What on earth is going on here?

don't know, but I'm keeping my head down

381 Cato the Elder  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:12:43pm

re: #362 Charles

I deleted and brought those comments back, so you'd see the horror of their disemvowelment.

Horrible.

You have Cthulhuized 'em.

382 darthstar  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:13:08pm

re: #374 sattv4u2

Can it be used in reverse? LEAVE all the volwles and ONLY the vowels!?!?

You can still make sense of a post without the vowels. Without the consonants, your post would read like this:

a i e ue i eee? EAE a e oe a OY e oe!?!?
383 albusteve  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:13:19pm

re: #379 Walter L. Newton

Everyone is suddenly speaking in tongues... I think we've all been saved... or smoking something funny.

which reminds me....thanks

384 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:13:40pm

re: #363 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

"You mustn't read from the book!"

/

Don't worry. Imotep will not rise by the command of the Stalker Blog. He'd just place a hieroglyph by the troll's door saying one word: "Pathetic".

385 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:13:43pm

re: #378 Bagua

Oh, thank heavens. I thought the site had been hacked for a moment there.

Cautiously checks her twitter account, making sure Bagua isn't up to his mischief there....

386 Cato the Elder  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:13:46pm

And my respects, Charles, for leaving in the "y's", which we all know can be consonants too!

387 engineer cat  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:13:56pm

Disemvowelment

why do the vowels have to take it all? it gives me cognitive disconsonance...

388 albusteve  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:14:11pm

cauliflower smothered in queso....pork stew, yummm

389 sattv4u2  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:14:24pm

re: #382 darthstar

He's dealing with TROLLS,,, we don't WANT to have it still make sense

390 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:14:25pm

re: #379 Walter L. Newton

Everyone is suddenly speaking in tongues... I think we've all been saved... or smoking something funny.

*toke, toke, cough* What are you imply?

391 Cato the Elder  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:14:44pm

re: #375 reine.de.tout

How is Haku?

See my reply to you on Facebook!

392 Bagua  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:14:53pm

re: #374 sattv4u2

Can it be used in reverse? LEAVE all the volwles and ONLY the vowels!?!?

That may be sensible, the devowelised version is easy to read if one can read Hebrew.

393 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:15:02pm

The Javascript code to do it is pretty simple. Using jQuery:

$(textarea).val(thetext.replace(/[a|e|i|o|u]/gi, ”));

394 Boogberg  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:15:11pm

re: #387 engineer dog

They're the stars of the show.

395 albusteve  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:15:11pm

re: #390 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

*toke, toke, cough* What are you imply?

easy does it...over here please

396 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:15:24pm

re: #363 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

"You mustn't read from the book!"

/

I can't, I havn't learned how to read Braille yet...

/crappy "book of Eli" reference.

397 darthstar  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:16:09pm

re: #392 Bagua

That may be sensible, the devowelised version is easy to read if one can read Hebrew.

I can't read Hebrew, but I can read the vowel-free text easily enough.

398 CuriousLurker  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:16:13pm

re: #393 Charles

The Javascript code to do it is pretty simple. Using jQuery:

$(textarea).val(thetext.replace(/[a|e|i|o|u]/ig, ''));

That's a keeper, thanks.

399 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:17:20pm

re: #398 CuriousLurker

That's a keeper, thanks.

Also have to strip out the HTML tags first, I should mention. Javascript code for that:

[Link: phpjs.org...]

400 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:17:24pm

re: #395 albusteve

easy does it...over here please

*Passes the bong* Dude, did you ever think that...you know...maybe we're all just astronauts on some sorta...star trek?

401 albusteve  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:17:59pm

re: #400 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

*Passes the bong* Dude, did you ever think that...you know...maybe we're all just astronauts on some sorta...star trek?

no, you are cut off bro

402 CuriousLurker  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:18:03pm

re: #399 Charles

Also have to strip out the HTML tags first, I should mention. Javascript code for that:

[Link: phpjs.org...]

Got it.

403 engineer cat  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:18:31pm

f u cn rd ths u r wstng r tm

404 A Man for all Seasons  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:19:10pm

re: #371 Dark_Falcon

Very cool, and very funny. We should let a Stalker register a sock puppet, just to mock them when Charles disemvowels them.

Well Possum has been talking about using his sock to do some research for Rose..Whatever that means..Probably searching previous posts and saving them for a banned Lizard..
The problem with socks and conservitive right wing religious people..Is that it's basically a lie...There is no moral standing on a blog unless you work for the CIA...
Thou shalt not lie
/That will leave a mark

405 Cato the Elder  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:19:13pm

re: #402 CuriousLurker

Got it.

Good afternoon, my Sufi heartthrob!

406 spare o'lake  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:19:51pm

Fck ths, dn't nd ths sht. 'm tta hr!

407 Bagua  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:20:00pm

re: #397 darthstar

I can't read Hebrew, but I can read the vowel-free text easily enough.

if yuo can raed tihs, you hvae a sgtrane mnid, too.
Can you raed tihs? Olny 55 plepoe out of 100 can.

i cdnuolt blveiee taht I cluod aulaclty uesdnatnrd waht I was rdanieg. The phaonmneal pweor of the hmuan mnid, aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it dseno't mtaetr in waht oerdr the ltteres in a wrod are, the olny iproamtnt tihng is taht the frsit and lsat ltteer be in the rghit pclae. The rset can be a taotl mses and you can sitll raed it whotuit a pboerlm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe. Azanmig huh? yaeh and I awlyas tghuhot slpeling was ipmorantt! if you can raed tihs forwrad it.

408 sattv4u2  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:20:18pm

re: #400 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

*Passes the bong* Dude, did you ever think that...you know...maybe we're all just astronauts on some sorta...star trek?

Do I get to do the green chick?

409 Racer X  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:20:49pm

re: #367 sattv4u2

GAWD,, It's starting

Theres a debate going on between two dem candidates for the North Carolina Senate seat

They are trying to outdo each other in their opposition to off shore drilling

"I've been against it for years"
"Yeah, well I've been against it for decades"
"Well, I when I was 5 I had a lemonade stand where all the proceeds went to fund ANTI-off shore drilling groups"
"Oh yeah, well when I was in the womb I kicked my mothers tummy to protest off shore drilling"

I am totally OK with offshore drilling. Seriously.

Just do it right, do it safe, and don't be a dick. And do it safe.

410 darthstar  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:21:39pm

re: #407 Bagua

First and last letters in words are all that matters, for the most part.

411 Boogberg  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:21:47pm

re: #407 Bagua

Welsh!

412 sattv4u2  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:22:04pm

re: #409 Racer X

I am totally OK with offshore drilling. Seriously.

Just do it right, do it safe, and don't be a dick. And do it safe.

Well,, neither of the dem candidates for North Carolina senatorial seat are,, ANYWHERE ,, EVER

413 Bagua  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:22:14pm

re: #410 darthstar

First and last letters in words are all that matters, for the most part.

I take you are one of us 55s?

414 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:22:29pm

re: #407 Bagua

if yuo can raed tihs, you hvae a sgtrane mnid, too.
Can you raed tihs? Olny 55 plepoe out of 100 can.

i cdnuolt blveiee taht I cluod aulaclty uesdnatnrd waht I was rdanieg. The phaonmneal pweor of the hmuan mnid, aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it dseno't mtaetr in waht oerdr the ltteres in a wrod are, the olny iproamtnt tihng is taht the frsit and lsat ltteer be in the rghit pclae. The rset can be a taotl mses and you can sitll raed it whotuit a pboerlm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe. Azanmig huh? yaeh and I awlyas tghuhot slpeling was ipmorantt! if you can raed tihs forwrad it.

Jesus man, back up a bit. The spellchecker's starting to smoke.

415 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:22:30pm

The disemvoweling function in Javascript, triggered by a click event:

function Disemvowel() {
  var textarea = $('textarea#comment'), thetext = strip_tags($(textarea).val());
  $(textarea).val( thetext.replace(/[a|e|i|o|u]/ig, ”) );
  return false;
}

416 Bagua  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:22:51pm

re: #411 Boogberg

Welsh!

45%er.

417 albusteve  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:23:11pm

just imagine...Charles accidentally strip tags himself right off the blog...the door slams shut on him and he's out...we keep posting wondering how many tacos Charles can eat....posts go to 18,000 and we are stupefied when he cracks back onto his own blog three days later saying he was right next door the whole time....right...this can happen, I saw it on TV

418 Eclectic Infidel  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:23:18pm

Charles, have you received any hate mail for this latest blog post yet?
Just wondering.

419 darthstar  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:23:43pm

re: #413 Bagua

I take you are one of us 55s?

Yep...actually, I believe it's more than 55% of the population that can read the paragraph with the jumbled letters.

420 sattv4u2  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:23:52pm

re: #413 Bagua

I take you are one of us 55s?

me too. I had nor problem reading

or should I say

me too, I had no porbelm radeing it!

421 Cato the Elder  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:23:59pm

re: #413 Bagua

I take you are one of us 55s?

Presnolly, I dbout taht olny 55 otu fo 100 radeers cna do taht!

422 avanti  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:24:23pm

A Arab tribute to a American Icon truck, a must see video to believe:

Dodge Power Wagon.

423 Boogberg  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:24:32pm

re: #416 Bagua

I hear and obey, sir.

424 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:24:40pm

re: #417 albusteve

just imagine...Charles accidentally strip tags himself right off the blog...the door slams shut on him and he's out...we keep posting wondering how many tacos Charles can eat...posts go to 18,000 and we are stupefied when he cracks back onto his own blog three days later saying he was right next door the whole time...right...this can happen, I saw it on TV

18,000 posts? My Firefox would quit and my CPU would spontaneously combust long before we reached that.

425 Bagua  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:24:47pm

re: #407 Bagua

if yuo can raed tihs, you hvae a sgtrane mnid, too.
Can you raed tihs? Olny 55 plepoe out of 100 can.

Note to self. This post should have included a warning label:

Not Safe For Cato.

I'd hate to be responsible for giving him a case of the vapours.

426 Cato the Elder  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:25:20pm

re: #423 Boogberg

I hear and obey, sir.

You forgot to tug your forelock.

427 albusteve  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:25:55pm

re: #426 Cato the Elder

You forgot to tug your forelock.

ohhh baby!

428 CuriousLurker  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:26:06pm

re: #405 Cato the Elder

Good afternoon, my Sufi heartthrob!

Good afternoon, gallant gentleman! ;o)

429 What, me worry?  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:26:14pm

re: #421 Cato the Elder

Presnolly, I dbout taht olny 55 otu fo 100 radeers cna do taht!

The other 45 are illiterate. (They forget to put that in.)

430 sattv4u2  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:26:57pm

K Kiddies

Gotta scoot and gear up fro the onslaught here at work tonight

Stay Safe, Play Nice and don't forget the drinking game proposal

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
*HIC*

431 darthstar  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:27:29pm

re: #429 marjoriemoon

The other 45 are illiterate. (They forget to put that in.)

They're not illiterate, they're just SSSeltics fans.

432 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:27:35pm

re: #404 HoosierHoops

Well Possum has been talking about using his sock to do some research for Rose..Whatever that means..Probably searching previous posts and saving them for a banned Lizard..
The problem with socks and conservative right wing religious people..Is that it's basically a lie...There is no moral standing on a blog unless you work for the CIA...
Thou shalt not lie
/That will leave a mark

That sounds about right, but finding any such sock would be hard. We have a number of people on LGF who comment very little. A sleeper sock could hang around for a very long time.

433 Boogberg  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:28:03pm

re: #426 Cato the Elder

No I didn't.
You just couldn't see it over the internet.

434 A Man for all Seasons  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:28:26pm

re: #430 sattv4u2

K Kiddies

Gotta scoot and gear up fro the onslaught here at work tonight

Stay Safe, Play Nice and don't forget the drinking game proposal

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
*HIC*

The storm is here...I'll probably lose power very soon..

435 OldnGrumpy  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:28:50pm

When I was a secret CIA operative fighting the Soviets back in '66 in Czechoslovakia when I got disemvoweled.

My buddies thought I'd gone native.

436 sattv4u2  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:29:13pm

re: #431 darthstar

They're not illiterate, they're just SSSeltics fans.

heh ,, are the balloons still in the rafters for when Jack Kent Cookes team was going to beat Bill Russell!?!?!

437 Cato the Elder  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:29:30pm

re: #433 Boogberg

No I didn't.
You just couldn't see it over the internet.

[Cato slams right fist into left breast]

We live to serve!

438 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:29:46pm

re: #434 HoosierHoops

The storm is here...I'll probably lose power very soon..

Good luck, Hoops. I hope you get to see the game.

439 albusteve  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:29:56pm

re: #434 HoosierHoops

The storm is here...I'll probably lose power very soon..

whoops!
no speech, no game for you...
just wait til you get to OK

440 albusteve  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:30:53pm

re: #437 Cato the Elder

[Cato slams right fist into left breast]

We live to serve!

Cato?...do you like gladiator movies?

441 Racer X  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:31:27pm

THE ART OF ANALOG COMPUTING

Vimeo

The premise of this short film is to represent the digital tools and interfaces we use daily in an analog way. In the analog office, your computer desktop becomes your actual desk, the server runs past you multiple times a day (and perhaps crashes every now and then), and Twitter users follow each other around the space.

This concept is essentially just for fun but also reminds us of the vast capabilities contained within our computers. Can you catch all of the references embedded in this film? Be sure to watch it a few times, and you're sure to pick up on a few of the subtle jokes.

442 engineer cat  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:32:47pm

function Disemwingnut() {
var textarea = $('brainarea#editcomtext'), thetext = strip_tags($(brainarea).val());
$(brainarea).val(voicein.replace(/[hannity|beck|limbaugh|teabaggerz|foxnews]/ig, ''));
return false;
}

443 darthstar  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:33:32pm

re: #434 HoosierHoops

The storm is here...I'll probably lose power very soon..

If you want to know who wins the game, it's the school teacher from Petaluma who correctly guesses the answer "Halle Barry Gibb" on the Before & After puzzle...but misses the final puzzle because she can't figure out the final puzzle even with RSTLN E CDM & A - REAL ESTATE A_ENT

444 Cato the Elder  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:33:50pm

re: #440 albusteve

Cato?...do you like gladiator movies?

Cna yuo duobt ti?

445 researchok  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:34:15pm

Nightmare vision for Europe as EU chief warns 'democracy could disappear' in Greece, Spain and Portugal

Democracy could ‘collapse’ in Greece, Spain and Portugal unless urgent action is taken to tackle the debt crisis, the head of the European Commission has warned.

In an extraordinary briefing to trade union chiefs last week, Commission President Jose Manuel Barroso set out an ‘apocalyptic’ vision in which crisis-hit countries in southern Europe could fall victim to military coups or popular uprisings as interest rates soar and public services collapse because their governments run out of money.

The stark warning came as it emerged that EU chiefs have begun work on an emergency bailout package for Spain which is likely to run into hundreds of billions of pounds.

446 darthstar  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:34:16pm

re: #443 darthstar

hm...I said final puzzle twice there...PIMF

447 lostlakehiker  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:35:31pm

re: #362 Charles

I deleted and brought those comments back, so you'd see the horror of their disemvowelment.

If that happened to me, I'd be inconsonantolable.

448 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:35:46pm

re: #442 engineer dog

function Disemwingnut() {
var textarea = $('brainarea#editcomtext'), thetext = strip_tags($(brainarea).val());
$(brainarea).val(voicein.replace(/[hannity|beck|li mbaugh|teabaggerz|foxnews]/ig, ''));
return false;
}

LOL, I love it!

449 Bagua  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:35:48pm

re: #421 Cato the Elder

Presnolly, I dbout taht olny 55 otu fo 100 radeers cna do taht!

Oops, the Cambridge study can not be confirmed.

Here is a look at the subject from the University of Edinburgh

Sublexical units and the split fovea

450 Racer X  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:37:13pm

re: #445 researchok

Nightmare vision for Europe as EU chief warns 'democracy could disappear' in Greece, Spain and Portugal

And this, my friends, is why ongoing bailouts are NOT the answer.

451 albusteve  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:37:19pm

re: #449 Bagua

Oops, the Cambridge study can not be confirmed.

Here is a look at the subject from the University of Edinburgh

Sublexical units and the split fovea

split fovea?...I'M outa here

452 Bagua  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:37:38pm

re: #445 researchok

Nightmare vision for Europe as EU chief warns 'democracy could disappear' in Greece, Spain and Portugal

I'll get right back to you on this once I've got my fiddle out.

453 CuriousLurker  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:39:01pm

re: #441 Racer X

THE ART OF ANALOG COMPUTING

The premise of this short film is to represent the digital tools and interfaces we use daily in an analog way.

That's an interesting video. My boss got me an iPad about three weeks ago and using it is a completely different experience—it sort of blurs the line between analog & digital.

454 albusteve  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:39:04pm

re: #452 Bagua

I'll get right back to you on this once I've got my fiddle out.

NATO will collapse within 10 years....might as well fold now

455 lostlakehiker  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:39:07pm

Off topic, TV says an AWOL soldier has been arrested trying to bring a quantity of arms into Ft. Riley base. No further details yet.

456 The Shadow Do  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:39:38pm

If you type without vowels is this a form of seppuku? I've often seen Charles hate mailers do this - and it seems to work!

457 Bagua  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:39:56pm

re: #445 researchok

Nightmare vision for Europe as EU chief warns 'democracy could disappear' in Greece, Spain and Portugal

For the record, Jose Manuel Barroso full of shit.

Democracy is not threatened, the post-democratic rule by unelected Eurocrats that infest the EU is threatened. Collapse of this malignancy will restore democracy, not threaten it.

458 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:41:28pm

re: #452 Bagua

I'll get right back to you on this once I've got my fiddle out.

Nero didn't actually play the fiddle while Rome burned. Instead, he put on a theatrical costume and sang a song called "The Fall of Troy".

459 Racer X  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:42:00pm

re: #457 Bagua

For the record, Jose Manuel Barroso full of shit.

Democracy is not threatened, the post-democratic rule by unelected Eurocrats that infest the EU is threatened. Collapse of this malignancy will restore democracy, not threaten it.

I would prefer a course correction over a collapse.

460 Boogberg  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:42:06pm

re: #453 CuriousLurker

Your boss got you an iPad? Your spouse, right?

461 Bagua  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:42:14pm

re: #450 Racer X

And this, my friends, is why ongoing bailouts are NOT the answer.

Sorry but nope, this is why having a common currency without harmonisation of taxes is not the answer.

462 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:42:22pm

здравствуйте, Чарльз. Можете ли вы "Disemvowel" это?

463 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:42:59pm

re: #457 Bagua

For the record, Jose Manuel Barroso full of shit.

Democracy is not threatened, the post-democratic rule by unelected Eurocrats that infest the EU is threatened. Collapse of this malignancy will restore democracy, not threaten it.

Quite Concur. May the EU fall to dust.

464 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:44:18pm

re: #459 Racer X

I would prefer a course correction over a collapse.

I wouldn't. The EU is an undemocratic and unaccountable institution. It's collapse would be a victory for freedom.

465 Cato the Elder  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:44:28pm

re: #449 Bagua

Oops, the Cambridge study can not be confirmed.

Here is a look at the subject from the University of Edinburgh

Sublexical units and the split fovea

If you cut an English sentence exactly in half horizontally, i.e. show only the top or bottom half of the letters, it is simple to prove that the top half can be read and understood by the average person, whilst the bottom half renders no meaning.

Ergo, the top half of our letters are the "meaning bearers".

466 CuriousLurker  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:45:22pm

re: #460 Boogberg

Your boss got you an iPad? Your spouse, right?

Nope, my boss is a she and she's the best boss ever.

467 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:45:24pm

Anyone interested in rock pornography?

468 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:45:27pm

re: #462 EmmmieG

Betrayed by preview! It came through fine the first time.

469 darthstar  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:46:03pm

re: #467 Walter L. Newton

Anyone interested in rock pornography?

I get my rocks off fine without it.

470 Racer X  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:46:05pm

re: #461 Bagua

Sorry but nope, this is why having a common currency without harmonisation of taxes is not the answer.

OK, that too.

471 albusteve  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:46:16pm

re: #457 Bagua

For the record, Jose Manuel Barroso full of shit.

Democracy is not threatened, the post-democratic rule by unelected Eurocrats that infest the EU is threatened. Collapse of this malignancy will restore democracy, not threaten it.

yes...the EU is a money making machine that employs thousands of people, an administrative goldmine....but a dysfunctional parasite that does nothing but swagger around extolling it's own virtues...their attitude to the ME problems seem to come off as hostile to Israel...fuck them, money sucking leaches, spawn of the UN

472 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:46:18pm

re: #467 Walter L. Newton

Anyone interested in rock pornography?

Why do I get the feeling this involves geology? Fire away.

(You can tag it "NSFB--Not safe for biologists.")

473 Racer X  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:46:47pm

re: #464 Dark_Falcon

I wouldn't. The EU is an undemocratic and unaccountable institution. It's collapse would be a victory for freedom.

Guess who would come running to the rescue (with buttloads of cash)?

474 Bagua  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:46:54pm

re: #459 Racer X

I would prefer a course correction over a collapse.

The course correction needed is the elimination of the EU bureaucracy and a return to democracy. The nation states can simply continue as they are, and evaluate and reform the laws on the books. All that means is new laws will not flow from Brussels, but everything on the books can continue as is.

There will be no legal anarchy.

475 Boogberg  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:48:05pm

re: #466 CuriousLurker

No shit. Damn.

476 albusteve  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:48:30pm

re: #474 Bagua

The course correction needed is the elimination of the EU bureaucracy and a return to democracy. The nation states can simply continue as they are, and evaluate and reform the laws on the books. All that means is new laws will not flow from Brussels, but everything on the books can continue as is.

There will be no legal anarchy.

what a stupid idea in the first place...an embarrassing failer

477 Racer X  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:48:34pm

re: #474 Bagua

The course correction needed is the elimination of the EU bureaucracy and a return to democracy. The nation states can simply continue as they are, and evaluate and reform the laws on the books. All that means is new laws will not flow from Brussels, but everything on the books can continue as is.

There will be no legal anarchy.

I'm cool with that.

Total collapse - not so much.

478 Racer X  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:49:38pm

Touchdown Jesus statue burns to the ground[video]

A moment of silence please.

479 albusteve  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:49:42pm

re: #477 Racer X

I'm cool with that.

Total collapse - not so much.

Putin is drooling to see where he can cut in

480 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:49:53pm

The EU was a mistake from the beginning, an unelected bureaucracy imposed when a majority of the voters opposed it. Having it collapse under its own weight and a return to the previous status quo would probably be welcomed by all except those who've made a fortune by fleecing the unwilling.

481 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:49:56pm

re: #473 Racer X

Guess who would come running to the rescue (with buttloads of cash)?

I know: Obama. What is needed is a plan in the Senate to muster enough votes to block any such aid package. Such a rebuff would be devastating to Obama.

482 OldnGrumpy  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:50:07pm

Wow CNN has a countdown timer for BO's speech

WTF?

483 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:50:21pm

re: #472 EmmmieG

Why do I get the feeling this involves geology? Fire away.

(You can tag it "NSFB--Not safe for biologists.")

Ok... this is a piece of "picture jasper" I polished... in they style of Georgia Totto O'Keeffe... the "picture" on the rock is a natural formation... I found the "image" and cut it out of a larger slab and polished it... (P.S. The other piece, the choker, is Matrix Opal)... "painted jasper" is a very interesting rock... makes all sorts of scenic sorts of "landscape" formations and the occasional "dirty" picture...

Image: vag_green_matrix.jpg

484 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:51:33pm

re: #483 Walter L. Newton

Purdy.

485 darthstar  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:52:00pm

re: #478 Racer X

Touchdown Jesus statue burns to the ground[video]

A moment of silence please.

Holy Terminator Salvation, Batman! Who knew that drowning Jesus was actually a robot under his skin?

486 albusteve  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:53:00pm

re: #482 OldnGrumpy

Wow CNN has a countdown timer for BO's speech

WTF?

getting the droolers fired up!

487 Racer X  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:53:04pm

Fresh Balls

. . . no words.

488 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:53:15pm

I would say that Jesus got rid of that one Himself, except that I believe that He allows us to be idiots if we choose.

489 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:53:22pm

re: #482 OldnGrumpy

Wow CNN has a countdown timer for BO's speech

WTF?

It's just leg tingles, no more than that.

490 darthstar  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:54:18pm

re: #486 albusteve

getting the droolers fired up!

Hey, I resemble that remark!

491 OldnGrumpy  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:54:20pm

re: #486 albusteve

getting the droolers fired up!

I've never seen anyone do that before

492 Bagua  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:54:49pm

re: #477 Racer X

I'm cool with that.

Total collapse - not so much.

The EUrocrats warn of total collapse to frighten the voters, it is fear-mongering to protect their position on the EU gravy train. Each provincial government of the EU has its own courts, police and political structure. If the EU closed shop on Monday, nothing would change on Tuesday, life goes on.

What would be different is that new laws would have to be made by the provincial states which will have become nation states once again. They would regain democratic oversight according to their own laws.

493 darthstar  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:55:31pm

re: #491 OldnGrumpy

I've never seen anyone do that before

You forget the great drooler himself?

494 albusteve  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:55:38pm

re: #491 OldnGrumpy

I've never seen anyone do that before

BO is unique...he does stuff that's never been done before

495 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:56:04pm

re: #487 Racer X

Fresh Balls

. . . no words.

Youtube Video
496 Bagua  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:56:09pm

re: #480 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

The EU was a mistake from the beginning, an unelected bureaucracy imposed when a majority of the voters opposed it. Having it collapse under its own weight and a return to the previous status quo would probably be welcomed by all except those who've made a fortune by fleecing the unwilling.

Exactly, only those parasites sucking the teat of unaccountable public money would suffer.

497 Racer X  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:56:32pm

Fresh Breasts


Alrighty then.

498 Boogberg  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:56:41pm

re: #483 Walter L. Newton

That's labia majora if I ever saw...them. :D

499 darthstar  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:56:48pm

re: #494 albusteve

BO is unique...he does stuff that's never been done before

It's called being black while President. Aside from that, he's been about as moderate as most of our recent presidents (Clinton, GHW Bush, Carter, Ford, Nixon)

500 CuriousLurker  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:56:50pm

MacDill Air Force Base update: Air Force tight lipped regarding weapons incident

[...]

During a press conference today little facts were revealed regarding the identities of the couple. We know that a male and female tried to enter the gate using fake ids. Colonel Dave Cohen said that the couple was white, United States citizens and that the weapons found were available for purchase commercially in the United States. Col. Cohen also said that the man was AWOL but did not state what branch of the military he was absent from.

[...]

501 OldnGrumpy  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:56:54pm

re: #493 darthstar

You forget the great drooler himself?

I meant run a countdown timer for a POTUS speech

502 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:57:20pm

re: #493 darthstar

Downding for the insult to Reagan. That was ugly and uncalled for.

503 darthstar  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:58:32pm

re: #502 Dark_Falcon

Downding for the insult to Reagan. That was ugly and uncalled for.

Aw...I know Reagan's sacred. But he wasn't all there his last few years.

504 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 4:58:52pm

Later, lizards.
Have fun!

505 Cato the Elder  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 5:00:00pm

re: #445 researchok

Nightmare vision for Europe as EU chief warns 'democracy could disappear' in Greece, Spain and Portugal

Same thing can and almost certainly will happen here.

The weaker animals go first. In terms of fiscal instability, the US is one of the weakest.

506 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 5:00:13pm

re: #503 darthstar

Aw...I know Reagan's sacred. But he wasn't all there his last few years.

Which was exactly the point. You can make fun of someone for bad craziness, but not Alzheimer's.

507 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 5:01:09pm

re: #492 Bagua

The EUrocrats warn of total collapse to frighten the voters, it is fear-mongering to protect their position on the EU gravy train. Each provincial government of the EU has its own courts, police and political structure. If the EU closed shop on Monday, nothing would change on Tuesday, life goes on.

What would be different is that new laws would have to be made by the provincial states which will have become nation states once again. They would regain democratic oversight according to their own laws.

Well, there would be one problem, namely the Euro. If the EU collapsed overnight, then would they still keep using a currency that's now basically become worthless until their old currencies have been reintroduced or what.

508 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 5:01:42pm

re: #503 darthstar

Aw...I know Reagan's sacred. But he wasn't all there his last few years.

It's not a matter of sacred. But calling someone a droller because of advancing age is ugly and wrong.

509 CuriousLurker  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 5:02:11pm

I'm out too—time for dinner & the speech.

Enjoy your evening, everyone.

*waves goodbye to Cato*

510 darthstar  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 5:02:50pm

re: #508 Dark_Falcon

It's not a matter of sacred. But calling someone a droller because of advancing age is ugly and wrong.

Fair enough, and good point.

511 researchok  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 5:03:37pm

re: #505 Cato the Elder

Same thing can and almost certainly will happen here.

The weaker animals go first. In terms of fiscal instability, the US is one of the weakest.

Lots of truth there. No real cohesive and comprehensive economic programs.

When economic policies are predicated on their political value, we have problems.

512 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 5:04:48pm

re: #503 darthstar

Aw...I know Reagan's sacred. But he wasn't all there his last few years.

Par for the course... making fun of someone with a condition that is not very controllable...

513 albusteve  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 5:07:30pm

BO is flat out lying between his teeth...fact check this speech

514 Bagua  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 5:08:45pm

re: #507 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Well, there would be one problem, namely the Euro. If the EU collapsed overnight, then would they still keep using a currency that's now basically become worthless until their old currencies have been reintroduced or what.

The Euro is a different story than the EU of course. The Euro currency would simply continue to float and be traded out for the replacement currencies. It would not go to zero.

515 lostlakehiker  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 6:24:00pm

re: #513 albusteve

BO is flat out lying between his teeth...fact check this speech

It will be fact checked. Rather than say someone is lying and leave it at that, though, you should quote a specific claim of fact and then provide a refutation, together with a reason why Obama should be expected to have known better than to make the claim in question.

516 Romantic Heretic  Wed, Jun 16, 2010 7:05:00am

On the topic of the blog post itself.

Many people don't really give a crap about the ethical system they use. They are not looking for guidelines to lead a better life. They're looking for an excuse to do whatever the fuck they want whenever they want to do it.

517 sffilk  Wed, Jun 16, 2010 8:36:00am

re: #8 Obdicut

Um, okay. I can buy liquor on a Sunday easily. And so can you, in New York.

So... what are you talking about?

In Georgia, you cannot buy liquor on Sunday at all. Blue laws.

518 Right Brain  Wed, Jun 16, 2010 5:30:28pm

It pains me to have to respond to a pseudo-intellectual such as Mr. Plait who hasn't done five minutes research on the origins of the American Constitution, which is wholly derived from the Hellenic-Christian development of individual rights. Fortunately a more thorough examination is being, and has been done, by the Avalon project at Yale University,

[Link: avalon.law.yale.edu...]

who without an axe to grind has been sourcing the constitution in historical documents dating back to the Greek enlightenment. Over and over again we see the development of individual rights coming directly from the Christian church.

These just since the middle ages:


Anglo-Saxon Chronicle

Anglo-Saxon Law - Extracts From Early Laws of the English.

Assize of Clarendon, 1166

The Bull of Pope Adrian IV Empowering Henry II to Conquer Ireland. A.D. 1155

Capitulary of Charlemagne Issued in the Year 802

Confirmation of the Charters, 1297

Constitutions of Clarendon, 1164

Count Palatinate as Judge Over the Kings. Decree of the Nuremberg Diet, November 19, 1274

The Declaration of Arbroath; April 6, 1320

Decree of the Emperor Henry IV Concerning a Truce of God (1085 A.D.)

The Dialogue Concerning the Exchequer. circa 1180

The Establishment of the Duchy of Austria; September 17, 1156

The Foundation of the University of Heidelberg AD. 1386

The Gelnhausen Charter; April 13, 1180 A.D.

The Golden Bull of the Emperor Charles IV 1356 A.D.

Laws of Richard I (Coeur de Lion) Concerning Crusaders Who Were to Go by Sea. 1189 A.D.

Laws of the Kings, 753 - 510 B.C.

Laws of William the Conqueror

Magna Carta, 1215

The Manner of Holding Parliament

History Of The Britons (Historia Brittonum) by Nennius Translated by J. A. Giles

The Ordinance of Louis the Pius - Division of the Empire of the Year 817

Ordinance of William I, Separating the Spiritual and Temporal Courts.

Peace of the Land Established by Frederick Barbarossa Between 1152 and 1157 A.D.

The Salic Law

Statute of Edward I Concerning the Buying and Selling of Land (Quai emptores); 1290

The Statute of Laborers; 1351

Statute of Mortmain; November 15, 1279

Treaty at Aix Between Louis II and Charles the Bald Concerning the Division of the Kingdom of Lothar II A.D. 870.

519 Charles Johnson  Thu, Jun 17, 2010 11:09:23am

re: #518 Right Brain

Absolutely, 100% false. The Constitution is derived from Enlightenment values, not religious ones, and your attempt at historical revisionism is pathetic.

520 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Jun 17, 2010 5:32:17pm

re: #518 Right Brain

It pains me to have to respond to a pseudo-intellectual such as Mr. Plait

Heh. I wonder what your idea of an intellectual is.

Not really, but it did have to be said.


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