New Video: 'Peace Activists' Planning Violence

New Video: ‘Peace Activists’ Planning Violence

Middle EastJune 2010 • Views: 2,274

The IDF is now releasing more of the video confiscated from the “peace activists” aboard the Gaza flotilla; here’s a recording made on the Mavi Marmara on May 30, 2010, in which IHH leader Bulent Yildirim gives a speech laden with jihadist symbology, telling the assembled activists not to be “cowards,” but to attack the Israeli commandos and throw them overboard.

The crowd responds by chanting, “Millions of martyrs to Jerusalem!” and “Allah Akbar!”

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brookly red Fri, Jun 18, 2010 10:10:42am

ooops…

NJDhockeyfan Fri, Jun 18, 2010 10:11:30am

Has Reuters jumped on this new evidence yet?

Fozzie Bear Fri, Jun 18, 2010 10:13:33am

If these people are peace activists, then I’m actually a Muppet.

Dark_Falcon Fri, Jun 18, 2010 10:15:05am

ROPMA!

albusteve Fri, Jun 18, 2010 10:16:00am

imagine this behavior on a scale thousands of times larger….that’s what Israel faces….but they have the fair and impartial UNHR on their side, thank goodness for the UN

Feline Fearless Leader Fri, Jun 18, 2010 10:16:19am

This just in…

Fox News has put up the clip, but mistakenly labeled Bulent Yildirim as a (D) Democrat…

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abolitionist Fri, Jun 18, 2010 10:17:02am

Gaza Flotilla Members Declare their Readiness for Martyrdom - Youtube video; caption:

IsraelMFA — June 15, 2010 — Statements of Gaza Flotilla Members about Their Readiness to Die as “Shahid”s (Martyrs for the Sake of Allah)

brookly red Fri, Jun 18, 2010 10:17:18am

re: #6 oaktree

This just in…

Fox News has put up the clip, but mistakenly labeled Bulent Yildirim as a (D) Democrat…

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touche.

Bubblehead II Fri, Jun 18, 2010 10:18:07am

re: #2 NJDhockeyfan

Has Reuters jumped on this new evidence yet?

Sadly, this and any of the other clips could run on every major News outlet during prime time and would either (a) be ignored or (b) Be called bogus or (c) all the above.

NJDhockeyfan Fri, Jun 18, 2010 10:18:38am

re: #5 albusteve

imagine this behavior on a scale thousands of times larger…that’s what Israel faces…but they have the fair and impartial UNHR on their side, thank goodness for the UN

Yes, the UN. Very fair and impartial indeed.

Former U.N. General Assembly President – a Critic of the U.S. and Israel – Will Provide ‘Expertise’ to U.N. Human Rights Council

Less than a year after he ended an often turbulent presidency of the U.N. General Assembly, a Nicaraguan leftist and arch-critic of the U.S. and Israel was set Friday to be appointed to the advisory committee of the U.N.’s top human rights agency.

Miguel D’Escoto Brockmann has been nominated by the Sandinista government to fill a vacancy on the Human Rights Council’s advisory committee, a body of 18 experts, which functions as the Geneva-based council’s think tank.

As the vacant position is one of three earmarked for Latin America and the Caribbean nations, and D’Escoto is the only nominated put forward by that regional group, known as GRULAC, his election by the 47-member council on the last day of its three-week midyear session is likely to be a formality.

The HRC states that the nomination process is meant “to ensure that the best possible expertise is made available to the Council.”

According to agreed-upon U.N. procedures, the post calls for “recognized competence and experience in the field of human rights; high moral standing; [and] independence and impartiality.”

brookly red Fri, Jun 18, 2010 10:21:13am

re: #10 NJDhockeyfan

and yet we keep throwing money at them…

darthstar Fri, Jun 18, 2010 10:22:03am

Apropos of nothing, maybe something good could come out of the flotilla incident.

[Link: www.csmonitor.com…]

“The closure in its current form is not a great success. We’ve just made Coca Cola more expensive,” says Ayreh Eldad, a parliament member from the far-right National Union Party. “I don’t see any use in saying… you can’t bring in herbs or vegetables.” He said restrictions should be imposed only on potential military equipment.

albusteve Fri, Jun 18, 2010 10:22:54am

re: #10 NJDhockeyfan

how people can support that vile organization is beyond belief…pretzel logic…remember the scenes from Rwanda?

wrenchwench Fri, Jun 18, 2010 10:24:14am

Egyptian Parliament member? Why didn’t they use the Egypt-Gaza border?

abolitionist Fri, Jun 18, 2010 10:24:24am

IHH Premeditated Violence - Testimony of Marmara Captain 1Jun10
Caption:
IsraelMFA — June 11, 2010 — The videotaped statements of two Mavi Marmara crew members show that preparations for a violent confrontation with IDF forces were put in motion about two hours before the boarding began, when the Israeli Navy hailed the ship and told it to halt.

According to the statements, the atmosphere aboard the Mavi Marmara was tense and the crew noticed a gathering on the main deck. When they checked the upper deck they discovered that IHH operatives were cutting the ship’s railings with metal disks they had brought with them into lengths suitable to be used as clubs. The crew members said the activities worried them and that they tried to stop the operatives but were unsuccessful.

Captain said those iron bars that his officers were able to confiscate were tossed into the sea, as per his orders. Of course, there were many more.

insanity police Fri, Jun 18, 2010 10:24:40am

They’ll peace you to pieces.

Targetpractice Fri, Jun 18, 2010 10:25:03am

ROPMA

Walter L. Newton Fri, Jun 18, 2010 10:25:54am

re: #12 darthstar

Apropos of nothing, maybe something good could come out of the flotilla incident.

[Link: www.csmonitor.com…]

That’s a start… maybe Iran can send some ships right in there and speed up this sort of progress.

albusteve Fri, Jun 18, 2010 10:26:08am

re: #11 brookly red

and yet we keep throwing money at them…

it’s supporters don’t want a cowboy, renegade USA hot doggin around on our own….it’s the collective thing, tribal dude

insanity police Fri, Jun 18, 2010 10:26:16am

re: #2 NJDhockeyfan

Jumped on, altered, spun and ready to incite in 5, 4, 3, 2, …

Kragar Fri, Jun 18, 2010 10:26:30am

Peaceful and nonviolent violence?

NJDhockeyfan Fri, Jun 18, 2010 10:28:12am

Israeli hacker hits IHH website

An Israeli hacker managed to break into the website of Turkish IHH group, which organized the Gaza flotilla, disabling the organization’s fundraising mechanism for a few hours.

The 30-year-old hacker from Holon, who wished to remain anonymous, said he was concerned with Israel’s poor PR efforts and decided to make a contribution of his own.

“The real war today is online. I spent an entire week exploring the site, a few hours each night, until I succeeded,” he said.

The hacker added that he was surprised to learn that IHH received some 9,000 euros in donations every hour via the website. The group is planning to send a second flotilla to Gaza next month.

[snip]

Heh.

albusteve Fri, Jun 18, 2010 10:28:25am

re: #18 Walter L. Newton

That’s a start… maybe Iran can send some ships right in there and speed up this sort of progress.

FREE THE HERBS AND VEGGIES!

albusteve Fri, Jun 18, 2010 10:29:34am

re: #22 NJDhockeyfan

a real armchair warrior

Dark_Falcon Fri, Jun 18, 2010 10:32:55am

re: #24 albusteve

a real armchair warrior

Hackers are an important weapon in our arsenal. The ability to disrupt Islamist websites is an important one.

Charles Johnson Fri, Jun 18, 2010 10:34:12am

Breaking: wingnut Paulian kook posts Birther link, gets banned from LGF.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

darthstar Fri, Jun 18, 2010 10:36:08am

re: #26 Charles

Breaking: wingnut Paulian kook posts Birther link, gets banned from LGF.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

Gee…before I take a mouse away from my cat I at least let him play with it for a few minutes.

Dark_Falcon Fri, Jun 18, 2010 10:36:11am

re: #26 Charles

Breaking: wingnut Paulian kook posts Birther link, gets banned from LGF.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

Just in time for lunch. Roast troll will be ready in 25.

Ericus58 Fri, Jun 18, 2010 10:36:12am

My satisfaction from watching this clip is that another piece of truth about those onboard this ship had evil intent in their hearts - break down the lies of the IHH.

I do not miss those that may have been featured in this video and that are now taking a dirt nap.

Dark_Falcon Fri, Jun 18, 2010 10:36:48am

re: #27 darthstar

Gee…before I take a mouse away from my cat I at least let him play with it for a few minutes.

Nirthers are no fun. They’re too out there to make them fun to frenzy.

Dark_Falcon Fri, Jun 18, 2010 10:38:56am

re: #26 Charles

Breaking: wingnut Paulian kook posts Birther link, gets banned from LGF.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

That troll had a serious case of ODS. Most of its links were hating on Obama.

albusteve Fri, Jun 18, 2010 10:39:45am

re: #26 Charles

Breaking: wingnut Paulian kook posts Birther link, gets banned from LGF.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

so will you take down the post, or does it remain?

albusteve Fri, Jun 18, 2010 10:40:48am

re: #32 albusteve

so will you take down the post, or does it remain?

stupid question…forget it

brookly red Fri, Jun 18, 2010 10:41:27am

re: #31 Dark_Falcon

That troll had a serious case of ODS. Most of its links were hating on Obama.

/an agent of HOO (Hating On Obama)… sounds James Bondish, no?

Dark_Falcon Fri, Jun 18, 2010 10:41:42am

That troll also posted links to articles by Prison Planet. Likely an Alex Jones fan too. No place for those here.

Batman Fri, Jun 18, 2010 10:42:21am

re: #2 NJDhockeyfan

Has Reuters jumped on this new evidence yet?

From the Reuters version of the video captions:

Bulent Yuldirim: “…and love and kindness toward Israel!”
Crowd: [cheering] “Praise Israel!”
BY: “Seriously guys, we love Israeli and it’s a shame that they have blockaded us.”
Crowd: “Peace be upon Israel!”
BY: “I just hope they don’t attack us. Thankfully, we have no knives or anything that can be construed as a weapon.”

darthstar Fri, Jun 18, 2010 10:43:22am

Was the new “real” Kenyan birth certificate found on the flotilla by the IDF?

Dark_Falcon Fri, Jun 18, 2010 10:43:27am

re: #34 brookly red

/an agent of HOO (Hating On Obama)… sounds James Bondish, no?

Not really. A proper super-villain has to at least have a cool-sounding plan. Haters like that just let their emotions run wild. Blofeldt would laugh at them then feed them to his piranhas.

Charles Johnson Fri, Jun 18, 2010 10:47:20am

re: #32 albusteve

so will you take down the post, or does it remain?

I’m leaving it up, but I changed the link to go to Google instead of his crappy conspiracy website.

Kragar Fri, Jun 18, 2010 10:47:38am

re: #37 darthstar

Was the new “real” Kenyan birth certificate found on the flotilla by the IDF?

Actually, it was discovered in the Gulf of Mexico. The whole oil spill deal is a coverup by Obama trying to hide it.

albusteve Fri, Jun 18, 2010 10:48:19am

re: #39 Charles

I’m leaving it up, but I changed the link to go to Google instead of his crappy conspiracy website.

wise move

insanity police Fri, Jun 18, 2010 10:48:27am

Was Pat Buchanan born in Nazi Germany or does he just have honorary citizenship?

Kragar Fri, Jun 18, 2010 10:48:41am

re: #38 Dark_Falcon

Not really. A proper super-villain has to at least have a cool-sounding plan. Haters like that just let their emotions run wild. Blofeldt would laugh at them then feed them to his piranhas.

I have an nth-complexity binary loop oscillator and I’m not scared to use it.

brookly red Fri, Jun 18, 2010 10:49:33am

re: #40 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Actually, it was discovered in the Gulf of Mexico. The whole oil spill deal is a coverup by Obama trying to hide it.

/

/wow amazing, placed in a bottle and cast into the sea all these years ago…

albusteve Fri, Jun 18, 2010 10:49:52am

re: #43 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I have an nth-complexity binary loop oscillator and I’m not scared to use it.

I’ll bet your wife loves it!

brookly red Fri, Jun 18, 2010 10:50:32am

re: #43 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I have an nth-complexity binary loop oscillator and I’m not scared to use it.

so that’s why the lights are flickering…

Kragar Fri, Jun 18, 2010 10:50:44am

re: #45 albusteve

I’ll bet your wife loves it!

You’re damn right she does.

sliv_the_eli Fri, Jun 18, 2010 10:51:46am

re: #37 darthstar

Was the new “real” Kenyan birth certificate found on the flotilla by the IDF?

No, but I understand that the Chief of Police in Dubai has incontrovertible proof of Mossad involvement and has issued a list of the 487 known Mossad operatives involved.

steve_davis Fri, Jun 18, 2010 10:53:10am

re: #2 NJDhockeyfan

Has Reuters jumped on this new evidence yet?

Reuters is trying to figure out how to crop the video so that the speaker is actually speaking to the Knights of Columbus in Waukeegan.

lawhawk Fri, Jun 18, 2010 10:55:45am

Also seen in these newly released videos:

Another speaker told those present in Arabic, “Don’t be like the ones who turned back and don’t turn back.” Sheikh Raed Salah, head of the Islamic Movement’s northern branch can be seen sitting among the crowd.

Salah is a piece of work.

They also chanted we will throw them into the sea. For those who haven’t followed Middle East history since 1947- that’s the same line that the Arabs have chanted every time they call for Israel’s destruction. Throw the Jews into the sea. Eliminate Israel.

That’s what this is about. It isn’t about humanitarian aid - it’s about undermining Israel’s right to exist.

Also, the person leading the chant “Martyrs marching into Gaza by the millions” was apparently an Egyptian parliamentarian. That’s someone who is a part of the Egyptian government that signed a peace deal with Israel in 1979 and which specifically refused to take Gaza in the peace treaty along with Sinai.

Yeah, what a lovely bunch.

mj Fri, Jun 18, 2010 10:57:23am

Double Standard watch:
Turkey will naturally get a pass on this from the State Department on down to all the Europeans and the UN:

Turkish Raid May Have Killed 100 Kurdish Rebels

[Link: www.nytimes.com…]

Keep in mind that they crossed an internationally recognized border in order to carry out this military raid.

Taqyia2Me Fri, Jun 18, 2010 10:59:22am

re: #50 lawhawk

Also seen in these newly released videos:

Salah is a piece of work.

They also chanted we will throw them into the sea. For those who haven’t followed Middle East history since 1947- that’s the same line that the Arabs have chanted every time they call for Israel’s destruction. Throw the Jews into the sea. Eliminate Israel.

That’s what this is about. It isn’t about humanitarian aid - it’s about undermining Israel’s right to exist.

Also, the person leading the chant “Martyrs marching into Gaza by the millions” was apparently an Egyptian parliamentarian. That’s someone who is a part of the Egyptian government that signed a peace deal with Israel in 1979 and which specifically refused to take Gaza in the peace treaty along with Sinai.

Yeah, what a lovely bunch.

Amen!

albusteve Fri, Jun 18, 2010 11:00:53am

re: #51 mj

Double Standard watch:
Turkey will naturally get a pass on this from the State Department on down to all the Europeans and the UN:

Turkish Raid May Have Killed 100 Kurdish Rebels

[Link: www.nytimes.com…]

Keep in mind that they crossed an internationally recognized border in order to carry out this military raid.

a pass from the UN? how can that be, this is clearly an act of war

brookly red Fri, Jun 18, 2010 11:01:06am

re: #50 lawhawk

I think that was the only time in history when territory was refused in a peace agreement, no?

Killgore Trout Fri, Jun 18, 2010 11:03:49am

The stalker blog is praising antisemite conspiracy nut Alex Jones for uncovering Obama’s seekrit plan to take over the internet……

The best summary I have seen on this issue comes from Paul Joseph Watson. Watson is spot on in his analysis. There is more information and commentary over at his link.

Their link goes directly to Alex Jones’ Prison Planet.

I seriously think Alex Jones could get a show on Fox at this point. He’s been pretty much completely embraced by American conservatives.

Sand Panda Fri, Jun 18, 2010 11:05:15am

In a similar vein, sickeningly anti-Semitic Turkish pro-flotilla demonstrations lament the lack of “legendary leader” Adolph Hitler’s spirit and proclaim that “from now on all Jews everywhere in the world […] are our targets:

[Link: www.armenianweekly.com…]

ReamWorks SKG Fri, Jun 18, 2010 11:05:46am

There’s some big stories in this: for one thing, the presence of the Egyptian Parliamentary member (I’m taking the red arrow at face value). I’ll tune into NPR this afternoon. I’m sure they’ll do a story on this.

Among other things I learned from this video is that the word “אנחנו” (we/us) is the same in Hebrew and Arabic. I never knew that.

brookly red Fri, Jun 18, 2010 11:06:36am

re: #51 mj

Double Standard watch:
Turkey will naturally get a pass on this from the State Department on down to all the Europeans and the UN:

Turkish Raid May Have Killed 100 Kurdish Rebels

[Link: www.nytimes.com…]

Keep in mind that they crossed an internationally recognized border in order to carry out this military raid.

/US: No comment
EU: Telle est la vie
UN: If we only had more money…

Killgore Trout Fri, Jun 18, 2010 11:07:05am

re: #55 Killgore Trout

The stalker blog is praising antisemite conspiracy nut Alex Jones for uncovering Obama’s seekrit plan to take over the internet…

Their link goes directly to Alex Jones’ Prison Planet.

I seriously think Alex Jones could get a show on Fox at this point. He’s been pretty much completely embraced by American conservatives.

I scrolled through the comments and not a single ex-lizard objects to the conspiracy invented by an antisemite. Not one. I could not possibly be more happy that these people are gone from lgf.

captdiggs Fri, Jun 18, 2010 11:07:10am

Things are getting truly ugly about Israel these days. Far more so than in any recent memory.
With more of these attempts to run the blockade coming, it’s only going to get worse.

Dark_Falcon Fri, Jun 18, 2010 11:07:36am

re: #55 Killgore Trout

The stalker blog is praising antisemite conspiracy nut Alex Jones for uncovering Obama’s seekrit plan to take over the internet…

Their link goes directly to Alex Jones’ Prison Planet.

I seriously think Alex Jones could get a show on Fox at this point. He’s been pretty much completely embraced by American conservatives.

The troll Charles booted also linked to a page with that same PP story. I wonder if the troll was a Stalker. Either way, he’s now served. Come and get it, Lizards! Gamey Buttocks of Troll is now being served.

albusteve Fri, Jun 18, 2010 11:08:10am

re: #60 captdiggs

Things are getting truly ugly about Israel these days. Far more so than in any recent memory.
With more of these attempts to run the blockade coming, it’s only going to get worse.

war seems to be the only answer…I cannot imagine an alternative

reine.de.tout Fri, Jun 18, 2010 11:08:43am

re: #26 Charles

Breaking: wingnut Paulian kook posts Birther link, gets banned from LGF.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

Registered Feb 2010.
2 comments.
79 links.
And almost all of them similar stuff.

Dark_Falcon Fri, Jun 18, 2010 11:08:54am

re: #60 captdiggs

Things are getting truly ugly about Israel these days. Far more so than in any recent memory.
With more of these attempts to run the blockade coming, it’s only going to get worse.

Agreed. The Islamists think they’ve found a winning tactic. God Help Us and Israel if they’re right.

darthstar Fri, Jun 18, 2010 11:09:24am

re: #62 albusteve

war seems to be the only answer…I cannot imagine an alternative

When war is your only answer, you’re not asking enough questions.

reine.de.tout Fri, Jun 18, 2010 11:09:36am

re: #59 Killgore Trout

I scrolled through the comments and not a single ex-lizard objects to the conspiracy invented by an antisemite. Not one. I could not possibly be more happy that these people are gone from lgf.

I don’t miss ‘em, either.

lawhawk Fri, Jun 18, 2010 11:10:02am

Frankly, I would have nuked all of his links. No need to waste bandwith with that crap.

Bubblehead II Fri, Jun 18, 2010 11:10:14am

re: #51 mj

Double Standard watch:
Turkey will naturally get a pass on this from the State Department on down to all the Europeans and the UN:

Turkish Raid May Have Killed 100 Kurdish Rebels

[Link: www.nytimes.com…]

Keep in mind that they crossed an internationally recognized border in order to carry out this military raid.

Looks like we helped them.

*snip*

“The Turkish military responded to the rebels by sending its warplanes across the Iraqi border to bomb Kurdish rebel positions after acquiring intelligence, apparently from the United States and recently purchased drones from Israel.”

brookly red Fri, Jun 18, 2010 11:10:15am

re: #62 albusteve

re: #64 Dark_Falcon

lessons from the school yard…

captdiggs Fri, Jun 18, 2010 11:11:39am

re: #64 Dark_Falcon

Agreed. The Islamists think they’ve found a winning tactic. God Help Us and Israel if they’re right.

Personally, I think this is all orchestrated by Iran and its new puppet, Turkey, as a way of deflecting from Iranian nukes.
Unfortunately, they have innate anti-semitism working for them, so their scheme is working.

ReamWorks SKG Fri, Jun 18, 2010 11:11:45am

re: #29 Ericus58

Yes, but it’s frustrating that despite all the evidence that these “Peace Activists” are anything but, the damage to Israel’s public image isn’t being repaired. American lefties (and some misguided libertarian selective isolationists I know) don’t seem to care about the facts.

Killgore Trout Fri, Jun 18, 2010 11:11:52am

re: #61 Dark_Falcon

The troll Charles booted also linked to a page with that same PP story. I wonder if the troll was a Stalker. Either way, he’s now served. Come and get it, Lizards! Gamey Buttocks of Troll is now being served.

It’s hard to tell but many conservatives are drawn to Alex Jones these days. His stuff isn’t any crazier than what you’ll find on Fox news or right wing blogs. Alex Jones’ conspiracies are now widely accepted so it might just be a coincidence.

sliv_the_eli Fri, Jun 18, 2010 11:12:33am

re: #54 brookly red

Prime Minister Begin’s failure to force Egypt to take back the Gaza Strip was a direct outgrowth of the fedayeen attacks repeatedly launched against Israeli civilians from the strip under Egyptian auspices between 1948-67. His decision to avoid giving Egypt a geographic “finger” poking into Israel’s underbelly, while understandbable in that context, will unfortunately go down in history as the greatest failure of the Camp David accords.

lawhawk Fri, Jun 18, 2010 11:13:07am

re: #62 albusteve

Well, the alternative is the situation we have now - lumbering from crisis to crisis and occasionally fighting skirmishes, but not an all-out war.

Israel can’t afford an all-out war for an extended period of time because it taxes the economy far too much having all those reservists called up to fight against Israel’s foes.

So, Israel will whack the kassam launchers/terrorists as stick their heads out to fire, enforce the blockade and search cargo entering Gaza and take the PR hit even though other countries routinely do far worse without the slightest of recriminations.

War would come if Syria or Iran become directly involved or if Hizbullah starts another shooting war in the North.

brookly red Fri, Jun 18, 2010 11:13:43am

re: #68 Bubblehead II

Looks like we helped them.

*snip*

“The Turkish military responded to the rebels by sending its warplanes across the Iraqi border to bomb Kurdish rebel positions after acquiring intelligence, apparently from the United States and recently purchased drones from Israel.”

we do control the airspace, could not have been any other way… this may be part of a deal though. You stop aiding Hamas, we won’t protect the Kurds.

Sand Panda Fri, Jun 18, 2010 11:13:54am

I just learnt today that Turkey has been militarily blockading Armenia for the last 16 years. Jeez, talk about hypocrisy…

darthstar Fri, Jun 18, 2010 11:14:32am

Tiger’s got the 3wood out…trying to stay in the pack, it appears.

lawhawk Fri, Jun 18, 2010 11:15:36am

re: #73 sliv_the_eli

Egypt didn’t want it also for that very reason - they didn’t exactly have a handle on the Gaza Strip and it is far more radicalized that Egypt proper (filled with Muslim Brotherhood types that later morphed into Salafists, Hamas, Islamic Jihad and other terror outfits).

Another distinction was that Gaza wasn’t part of Egypt proper prior to 1948 - it was part of Mandate Palestine. It wasn’t like they were getting back their own territory as in the case of Sinai, but Israel was hoping to unload the territory on Egypt to administer rather than deal with that burden.

Bubblehead II Fri, Jun 18, 2010 11:15:43am

re: #75 brookly red

It wouldn’t surprise me. You never know what’s going to crawl out of Foggy Bottom.

albusteve Fri, Jun 18, 2010 11:17:13am

re: #64 Dark_Falcon

Agreed. The Islamists think they’ve found a winning tactic. God Help Us and Israel if they’re right.

hell yes it’s a winning tactic…all they have to do is implement it properly, and what does Hezz have going south of the Litani these days?

albusteve Fri, Jun 18, 2010 11:17:53am

re: #65 darthstar

When war is your only answer, you’re not asking enough questions.

what questions should the Jews be asking?

brookly red Fri, Jun 18, 2010 11:18:54am

re: #79 Bubblehead II

It wouldn’t surprise me. You never know what’s going to crawl out of Foggy Bottom.

my thoughts are that Turkey may have started “acting up” so as to have a bargaining chip against the Kurds… this whole thing may be a chess game.

brookly red Fri, Jun 18, 2010 11:19:30am

re: #81 albusteve

what questions should the Jews be asking?

/well, do you feel lucky?

sliv_the_eli Fri, Jun 18, 2010 11:19:36am

re: #78 lawhawk

Egypt still wants nothing to do with the Gaza Strip for that reason, which is why it previuosly joined in the blockade and will probably resume its closure of the Gaza-Sinai border as soon as the world’s attention moves elsewhere.

mj Fri, Jun 18, 2010 11:21:36am

I just want to stop a moment and praise Elton John for not bowing to the antisemitic campaign of boycotting Israel:

“Shalom, we are so happy to be back here! Ain’t nothing gonna stop us from coming, baby,” John said with a fist in the air.

The piano man then took a swipe at those artists, including Elvis Costello, Santana, the Pixies and Devendra Banhart, who have bailed on concerts in recent weeks.

“Musicians spread love and peace, and bring people together. That’s what we do,” he said. “We don’t cherry-pick our conscience.”

[Link: www.popeater.com…]

albusteve Fri, Jun 18, 2010 11:21:37am

re: #83 brookly red

/well, do you feel lucky?

heh
Dirty Bibi

darthstar Fri, Jun 18, 2010 11:22:15am

re: #85 mj

He also played at Rush Limbaugh’s wedding.

Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Jun 18, 2010 11:22:48am

re: #77 darthstar

Tiger’s got the 3wood out…trying to stay in the pack, it appears.

Wasn’t his mistake “getting his wood out” a little too much?

jamesfirecat Fri, Jun 18, 2010 11:24:02am

re: #87 darthstar

He also played at Rush Limbaugh’s wedding.

Which one?

(ZING!)

sliv_the_eli Fri, Jun 18, 2010 11:24:02am

re: #65 darthstar

When war is your only answer, you’re not asking enough questions.

Wrong. To those of us to whom the words “Never Again” are not a meaningless platitude, when war is the only answer you fight to win and don’t worry about whether the anti-Semites — oops, I mean, anti-Israelis — of the world say.

Bubblehead II Fri, Jun 18, 2010 11:26:35am

re: #82 brookly red

Maybe. We will just have to wait and see If the political situation stabilizes or even improves.

Bubblehead II Fri, Jun 18, 2010 11:26:55am

Going upstairs.

Aceofwhat? Fri, Jun 18, 2010 11:28:09am

re: #63 reine.de.tout

Registered Feb 2010.
2 comments.
79 links.
And almost all of them similar stuff.

I wonder if our good host has ever considered a warning formula along the lines of if(and(links > 15, comments < links),(flag user),0))

(and yes, 90% of my formula language is Excel. laugh it up, compsci types.)

Fozzie Bear Fri, Jun 18, 2010 11:30:33am

re: #93 Aceofwhat?

I wonder if our good host has ever considered a warning formula along the lines of if(and(links > 15, comments < links),(flag user),0))

(and yes, 90% of my formula language is Excel. laugh it up, compsci types.)

Now write it recursive, in LISP, and with exception handling. /

Aceofwhat? Fri, Jun 18, 2010 11:30:35am

re: #65 darthstar

When war is your only answer, you’re not asking enough questions.

Yeah, the French should have spent more time asking questions as the Nazis were cutting through Belgium like a Henkel through muenster cheese…

Jimmah Fri, Jun 18, 2010 11:31:46am

re: #55 Killgore Trout

The stalker blog is praising antisemite conspiracy nut Alex Jones for uncovering Obama’s seekrit plan to take over the internet…

Their link goes directly to Alex Jones’ Prison Planet.

I seriously think Alex Jones could get a show on Fox at this point. He’s been pretty much completely embraced by American conservatives.

Let it be noted that he never got anywhere near being embraced by mainstream left-leaning media, even at the height of anti-war sentiment (which he of course bandwagonned like crazy). The wingnut right is the environment in which he really seems to be flourishing.

sliv_the_eli Fri, Jun 18, 2010 11:34:57am

re: #87 darthstar

He also played at Rush Limbaugh’s wedding.

Which, of course, only proves Sir Elton’s point that “Musicians spread love and peace, and bring people together. That’s what we do … We don’t cherry-pick our conscience.”

Sand Panda Fri, Jun 18, 2010 11:37:13am

re: #85 mj

Well done Elton John!

Funnily enough, long-time, out-spoken critic of Israel, Sting, was quite happy to perform privately for the elite of the tyrannical Uzbek regime.

[Link: www.guardian.co.uk…]

Dark_Falcon Fri, Jun 18, 2010 11:41:20am

re: #96 Jimmah

Let it be noted that he never got anywhere near being embraced by mainstream left-leaning media, even at the height of anti-war sentiment (which he of course bandwagonned like crazy). The wingnut right is the environment in which he really seems to be flourishing.

Indeed. How are you today, Jimmah?

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Dark_Falcon Fri, Jun 18, 2010 11:42:39am

re: #98 Sand Panda

Well done Elton John!

Funnily enough, long-time, out-spoken critic of Israel, Sting, was quite happy to perform privately for the elite of the tyrannical Uzbek regime.

[Link: www.guardian.co.uk…]

Oh come now! Only Israel is bad enough to warrant a boycott. They won’t even allow Hamas to import fireworks. The horror!

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Sand Panda Fri, Jun 18, 2010 11:51:59am

re: #100 Dark_Falcon

Or maybe he’s just being even-handed; afterall I’m sure that he felt he couldn’t possibly justify playing in Israel if his principles prevented him from giving a concert to Hamas elites.
///

Personally I’m a connoisseur of celebrity hypocrisy. One of my favourites is multimillionaire Bob “give us yer f***ing money” Geldof*.
*No longer UK resident for tax purposes.

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sliv_the_eli Fri, Jun 18, 2010 11:52:57am

Wondering what the lizard world’s views are on the following:

Was the Israeli foreign ministry incompetent for taking 2 1/2 weeks to come out with this video, or brilliant for waiting until the noise died down a bit and questions began to be asked?

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Cato the Elder Fri, Jun 18, 2010 11:53:05am

“Millions of martyrs to Jerusalem!”

Sounds like Christian Zionists to me.

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What, me worry? Fri, Jun 18, 2010 11:53:28am

re: #98 Sand Panda

Well done Elton John!

Funnily enough, long-time, out-spoken critic of Israel, Sting, was quite happy to perform privately for the elite of the tyrannical Uzbek regime.

[Link: www.guardian.co.uk…]

Wow. Just wow.

Meanwhile, the latest bands, Elvis Costello and the Pixies, who decided to boycott Israel have just been taken off my list. I’ll add Sting to that.

[Link: www.jpost.com…]

Kudos to others who reject this kind of moral equivlency.

Rod Stewart may not be much of a consolation prize for the Pixies musically, but in an interview on Sunday night, he emphatically stated that he’d be honoring his appearance at Ramat Gan Stadium on July 1.

With Rihanna and Metallica already having followed suit, and with Elton John, Jeff Beck and a slew of other major talents still on the way, it’s clear that despite the pressure and the scare tactics, the music is not going to stop. Just ask the 10,000 people who saw Placebo and Joan Armatrading on Saturday night.

(Let’s not forget Lady Gaga, too.)

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Fozzie Bear Fri, Jun 18, 2010 11:55:51am

Oh for fuck’s sake.

Musicians make music. Where they play is their business. I don’t WANT to know about the political leanings of my favorite artists. I just want to enjoy music I enjoy.

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darthstar Fri, Jun 18, 2010 11:56:52am

re: #105 Fozzie Bear

Oh for fuck’s sake.

Musicians make music. Where they play is their business. I don’t WANT to know about the political leanings of my favorite artists. I just want to enjoy music I enjoy.

Agreed…but I still don’t enjoy Elton John’s music. Hell, he could play exclusively in Israel and I’d be happy.

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Jimmah Fri, Jun 18, 2010 11:57:53am

re: #99 Dark_Falcon

Indeed. How are you today, Jimmah?

Fine DF - hope you are well too :)

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lostlakehiker Fri, Jun 18, 2010 11:59:07am

re: #51 mj

Double Standard watch:
Turkey will naturally get a pass on this from the State Department on down to all the Europeans and the UN:

Turkish Raid May Have Killed 100 Kurdish Rebels

[Link: www.nytimes.com…]

Keep in mind that they crossed an internationally recognized border in order to carry out this military raid.

They SHOULD get a pass.

There is long precedent for nations raiding terrorist groups or armed forces that operating against their homeland, even if the raid must violate somebody else’s border. If the nation whose border is violated has not been able to effectively control what goes on inside its own borders, then the other side can do what it needs to do. Pershing chased Pancho Villa all over northern Mexico after Villista forces raided an American border town. Patton was one of Pershing’s junior officers.

I wish the Kurds well. But no good can come of a terrorist campaign inside Turkey, and when Kurdish forces attack Turkey, they must expect to be counterattacked. The U.S. isn’t going to provide them a skirt to hide behind, nor is the Iraqi border.

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Sand Panda Fri, Jun 18, 2010 12:02:04pm

re: #102 sliv_the_eli

Wondering what the lizard world’s views are on the following:

Was the Israeli foreign ministry incompetent for taking 2 1/2 weeks to come out with this video, or brilliant for waiting until the noise died down a bit and questions began to be asked?

Actually I think that this is emblematic of Israel’s PR problem. What the 24 hour media value above all else is who breaks the story first, and often in the most sensationalist manner. Just like any other democratic state, Israel is meticulous in its official press statements, unlike Hamas e.t.c, who are willing to haphazardly fire off absurdly exaggerated claims, as they know that the “truthiness” of these claims is what will stay in people’s minds, regardless of how untrue they subsequently turn out to be. Unfortunately a lie can travel around the world before the truth has it’s boots on.

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Jimmah Fri, Jun 18, 2010 12:05:18pm

re: #102 sliv_the_eli

Wondering what the lizard world’s views are on the following:

Was the Israeli foreign ministry incompetent for taking 2 1/2 weeks to come out with this video, or brilliant for waiting until the noise died down a bit and questions began to be asked?

I don’t know why it took so long for this video to surface - there could be good reasons for that. But generally, I think there is little value in propaganda terms of producing videos that help Israel days or weeks after the event; days and weeks after the first reports and rounds of condemnation. I think Israel needs to smarten it’s act up and learn how to avoid handing propaganda victories to Hamas and their supporters in the first place.

As a contributor at Harry’s Place recently put it : “It shouldn’t be this hard to make Hamas look bad”.

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Sand Panda Fri, Jun 18, 2010 12:08:56pm

Jenin is a good example of this. Despite claiming initial figures of upwards of 3000 civilians slaughtered by the IDF, the PLO ended up quietly revising the official death toll down to 56*, all of whom turned out to be active combatants. And yet, the anti-Israel crowd will still lament the “Jenin Massacre” in the same breath as the Armenian or Rwandan Genocides, as if they were anywhere near equivalent.

*Conversely IDF claims 52 dead.

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sliv_the_eli Fri, Jun 18, 2010 12:09:11pm

re: #109 Sand Panda

Until recently, I would have immediately agreed that the problem is poor PR on Israel’s part. However, the paroxysms of knee-jerk anti-Israel responses and commentary from governments (including, unfortunately, my own in the U.S.), the media and other institutions even in the face of clear evidence and fact, have caused me to reassess that view. I now believe that this is not a PR problem but, rather, that the world is reverting to its historical norm of Jew-hatred and that the half-century or so after the end of World War II, during which it was not fashionable to be openly anti-Semitic, may historically be viewed as only a deviation from the norm.

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MJ Fri, Jun 18, 2010 12:10:05pm

re: #104 marjoriemoon

(Let’s not forget Lady Gaga, too.)

Not to defend Sting, but he did perform in Israel in 2006 along with Matisyahu.

[Link: www.stingus.net…]

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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Jun 18, 2010 12:13:10pm

re: #9 Bubblehead II

Sadly, this and any of the other clips could run on every major News outlet during prime time and would either (a) be ignored or (b) Be called bogus or (c) all the above.

Not by regular people who don’t have an ax to grind. The folks who’ve already made up their minds wouldn’t change them, but they’re not a majority.

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Sand Panda Fri, Jun 18, 2010 12:17:22pm

re: #112 sliv_the_eli

In my more pessimistic moments I have to say that I agree with you. And yet the frustrating thing is that people will still believe that the Jews/Israelis covertly dictate the media’s agenda. One aspect of this is that any Israeli PR is treated by the media just like that; PR, but for some reason Hamas propaganda almost always accepted at face value. Maybe they are afraid that if they investigate just a little, the whole house of cards will come tumbling down.

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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Jun 18, 2010 12:18:05pm

re: #50 lawhawk

Also, the person leading the chant “Martyrs marching into Gaza by the millions” was apparently an Egyptian parliamentarian. That’s someone who is a part of the Egyptian government that signed a peace deal with Israel in 1979 and which specifically refused to take Gaza in the peace treaty along with Sinai.

Yeah, what a lovely bunch.

What’s his party, and is there going to be trouble for him at home?

Can’t imagine Mubarak really wants to be associated with this mess.

What a mess!

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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Jun 18, 2010 12:18:59pm

re: #51 mj

Double Standard watch:
Turkey will naturally get a pass on this from the State Department on down to all the Europeans and the UN:

Turkish Raid May Have Killed 100 Kurdish Rebels

[Link: www.nytimes.com…]

Keep in mind that they crossed an internationally recognized border in order to carry out this military raid.

Waiting for international outrage…gonna keep waiting for international outrage…gonna make another cup of coffee and keep waiting for that international outrage…

You think maybe if I e-mailed some people?

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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Jun 18, 2010 12:21:47pm

re: #54 brookly red

I think that was the only time in history when territory was refused in a peace agreement, no?

Nonsense. Every year, two of the Kingdoms of the Society for Creative Anachronism fight a great war. The Kingdom of the East and the Kingdom of the Middle gather their allies and meet at Cooper’s Lake Campground to fight for two weeks.

Loser gets Pittsburgh.

Aside from that, maybe. You can sort of see Egypt’s reasoning, though.

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sliv_the_eli Fri, Jun 18, 2010 12:23:55pm

re: #110 Jimmah

I would agree that it shouldn’t be hard to make Hamas look bad. That said, I think the problem is not in poor PR, but in the fact that the Israelis are spending too much time in their operational planning worried about the PR, rather than what is necessary to effectively complete the mission.

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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Jun 18, 2010 12:24:10pm

re: #57 reuven

There’s some big stories in this: for one thing, the presence of the Egyptian Parliamentary member (I’m taking the red arrow at face value). I’ll tune into NPR this afternoon. I’m sure they’ll do a story on this.

Among other things I learned from this video is that the word “אנחנו” (we/us) is the same in Hebrew and Arabic. I never knew that.

I’ve learned that if you say something, especially something about God or food, over and over to me in Arabic, I will eventually figure it out. The cognates are so frequent that you do eventually work the sentence out, albeit in a sort of weird, slantwise way.

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What, me worry? Fri, Jun 18, 2010 12:26:11pm

re: #105 Fozzie Bear

Oh for fuck’s sake.

Musicians make music. Where they play is their business. I don’t WANT to know about the political leanings of my favorite artists. I just want to enjoy music I enjoy.

I’m sort of at a loss to respond, because I don’t really disagree with you, but I also think that music isn’t just about making a pleasant noise. It’s emotion, it’s meaning, it inspires, but also, it’s representative of what happens when one is free to express themselves in a free society. Remember that one of things that Achmedineajad got rid of is “western” music.

I don’t think it’s wrong to take a stand against such a thing or to support (or not to support) musicians who pick which side they’ll play for. Music really is more than “just” music for me in that way.

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ReamWorks SKG Fri, Jun 18, 2010 12:26:44pm

re: #106 darthstar

I’m really glad Elton John took a stand. Even if you don’t like his music, he’s remains very influential.

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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Jun 18, 2010 12:27:07pm

re: #87 darthstar

He also played at Rush Limbaugh’s wedding.

That may be funny, but it’s not immoral.

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What, me worry? Fri, Jun 18, 2010 12:27:33pm

re: #113 MJ

Not to defend Sting, but he did perform in Israel in 2006 along with Matisyahu.

[Link: www.stingus.net…]

I remember that now. I still think he was wrong to perform in Uzbekistan.

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ReamWorks SKG Fri, Jun 18, 2010 12:28:22pm

re: #120 SanFranciscoZionist

But I cant figure out the writing for the life of me. I suspect that if you just transliterated that scribble into Hebrew characters, I’d be able to get the gist of it…sort of like an English speaker being able to understand a Dutch newspaper without much effort.

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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Jun 18, 2010 12:29:50pm

re: #106 darthstar

Agreed…but I still don’t enjoy Elton John’s music. Hell, he could play exclusively in Israel and I’d be happy.

I don’t actually enjoy his music, but I appreciate the gesture.

Rod Stewart is playing Ramat Gan? Why do I envision an audience exclusively filled with rocking-out middle-aged Iraqi ladies?

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Sand Panda Fri, Jun 18, 2010 12:30:40pm

re: #121 marjoriemoon

Also, as arbiters of popular culture who are looked up to by millions of adoring fans, the truth is that successful musicians have the social, financial and cultural capital to make or break a cause. So from that perspective, it is important that all the cool kids are strongly pro-Palestinian.

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What, me worry? Fri, Jun 18, 2010 12:31:43pm

re: #123 SanFranciscoZionist

That may be funny, but it’s not immoral.

I thought he donates that money to AIDS research. I read somewhere that he’ll play for anyone for $1M which he gives to AIDS research.

Although it doesn’t say that below, Elton is a very charitable fellow.

[Link: www.looktothestars.org…]

The singer also gives large amounts of his personal wealth to charity. In 2004 he donated over $43 million to organizations around the world, making him the most generous person in music for that year – a title he retains year after year. Earlier this year he donated 120 motorcycles to the African nation of Lesotho, to be used by doctors and nurses to visit patients in remote areas, and in 1997 he raised $40 million for charity through sales of Candle In The Wind, the single released following the death of Princess Diana.

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richard12 Fri, Jun 18, 2010 12:32:30pm

Of Peace Activists, Terrorists and Soldiers of Democratic Nations

Can you tell the difference between a peace activist and a terrorist? Why does it seem so difficult for the rest of the world? And why does the media publish quotes of terorrists as fact in their headlines? And why is it that the masses buy it? Find out more here: [Link: anothermudpit.blogspot.com…]

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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Jun 18, 2010 12:35:36pm

re: #125 reuven

But I cant figure out the writing for the life of me. I suspect that if you just transliterated that scribble into Hebrew characters, I’d be able to get the gist of it…sort of like an English speaker being able to understand a Dutch newspaper without much effort.

I took a little class in Arabic at an interfaith conference once. All the students were Jews, from Leo Baeck College, and we kept taking notes in Hebrew, because it was easier to transcribe the sounds that way—much to the annoyance of the teacher, who couldn’t see if we were writing anything down correctly.

He taught us a few verses from the Koran, and we had a great time figuring out the cognates.

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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Jun 18, 2010 12:37:17pm

re: #130 SanFranciscoZionist

I took a little class in Arabic at an interfaith conference once. All the students were Jews, from Leo Baeck College, and we kept taking notes in Hebrew, because it was easier to transcribe the sounds that way—much to the annoyance of the teacher, who couldn’t see if we were writing anything down correctly.

He taught us a few verses from the Koran, and we had a great time figuring out the cognates.

I can’t get the writing either. The teacher did try to show us some of that, but it’s awfully hard compared to Hebrew.

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ReamWorks SKG Fri, Jun 18, 2010 12:37:29pm

re: #123 SanFranciscoZionist

If you paid me $1,000,000, I’d gladly sing and play the piano at Rush Limbaugh’s wedding. Heck, I’d do it for $750,000

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What, me worry? Fri, Jun 18, 2010 12:39:28pm

re: #127 Sand Panda

Also, as arbiters of popular culture who are looked up to by millions of adoring fans, the truth is that successful musicians have the social, financial and cultural capital to make or break a cause. So from that perspective, it is important that all the cool kids are strongly pro-Palestinian.

Or pro-Israel as the case may be :)

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ReamWorks SKG Fri, Jun 18, 2010 12:40:34pm

re: #131 SanFranciscoZionist

BTW: I hate to ask Charles for a “feature request” because I’m a NOOB here, but very often, Hebrew gets messed up here. I have to preview it first. What happens is characters get substitued with ampersand hex values for the characters, but aren’t excaped properly, or are doubly escaped.

For example, I wanted to say something about the Variety article on “Mary Poppins” (the musical) coming to Tel Aviv, but “Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious” came out as

סופרקאליפרג’ליסטיקאקספיאלידואשס

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What, me worry? Fri, Jun 18, 2010 12:41:50pm

re: #134 reuven

BTW: I hate to ask Charles for a “feature request” because I’m a NOOB here, but very often, Hebrew gets messed up here. I have to preview it first. What happens is characters get substitued with ampersand hex values for the characters, but aren’t excaped properly, or are doubly escaped.

For example, I wanted to say something about the Variety article on “Mary Poppins” (the musical) coming to Tel Aviv, but “Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious” came out as

סופרקאל& #1497;פרג’ליס& #1496;יקאקספ&# 1497;אלידוא 513;ס

lol (1497 means Death to Arabs. Shhhh… don’t tell anyone.)

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ciceroniana Fri, Jun 18, 2010 12:45:53pm

Turkish parliamentarian…jeez…is there still any serious chance that these folks will be admitted into the EU?

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ciceroniana Fri, Jun 18, 2010 12:47:47pm

re: #136 ciceroniana

Well, on second thought, that might be a club everyone is trying to get out of right now.

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Sand Panda Fri, Jun 18, 2010 1:11:10pm

re: #133 marjoriemoon

I wish! It seems that even cautiously admitting that Israel might not be racist, apartheid state which makes matzos out the blood of fluffy kittens and Palestinian babies is social death in most media-luvvie circles.

Can anyone name even one reasonably high profile act which is openly pro-Israeli? Bonus points if it’s not considered unbearably lame by anyone under 25.

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Sand Panda Fri, Jun 18, 2010 1:13:30pm

re: #133 marjoriemoon

Though have an upding from me for your refreshing optimism. ;-)

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ReamWorks SKG Fri, Jun 18, 2010 1:13:35pm

re: #138 Sand Panda

I was going to say “Barbra Sterisand” but then I googled her and found her canceling shows, like this one on the 60th anniversary

[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com…]

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Sand Panda Fri, Jun 18, 2010 1:14:39pm

To reiterate:“Bonus points if it’s not considered unbearably lame by anyone under 25.”

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ReamWorks SKG Fri, Jun 18, 2010 1:17:27pm

re: #141 Sand Panda

How about Natalie Portman?

Youtube Video

I’m 47, so I don’t know what kids like.

(Also, how can a Jewish Girl be named Natalie? That boggles my mind! If you read the origins of the name: [Link: en.wikipedia.org…] it refers to the birth of Chr-st.)

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What, me worry? Fri, Jun 18, 2010 1:24:41pm

re: #138 Sand Panda

I wish! It seems that even cautiously admitting that Israel might not be racist, apartheid state which makes matzos out the blood of fluffy kittens and Palestinian babies is social death in most media-luvvie circles.

Can anyone name even one reasonably high profile act which is openly pro-Israeli? Bonus points if it’s not considered unbearably lame by anyone under 25.

Madonna :) Although not everyone is proud of that.

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Sand Panda Fri, Jun 18, 2010 1:26:25pm

re: #142 reuven

I find it hard to believe that an entertainment industry consultant doesn’t know what kids like. ;-)
But alright, as an official member of the under-25 demographic I approve of Natalie Portman. She’s smart, beautiful and was in Star Wars (even if it was the new ones). I had no idea about Natalie/natal day connection; this will make for an interesting conversation when I next see my Jewish cousin Natalie!

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Sand Panda Fri, Jun 18, 2010 1:27:39pm

re: #143 marjoriemoon

Are you kidding! I bet she could intimidate Hamas into unconditional surrender with those guns of hers.

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Sand Panda Fri, Jun 18, 2010 1:32:10pm

Is there any joke I could make about Madonna adopting Palestinian babies that wouldn’t be in incredibly bad taste? :)

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richard12 Fri, Jun 18, 2010 1:38:19pm

Get this, as a response to my blogpost above on Peace Activists and Terrorists, Twitter user @biledna from Turkey responded to me by saying “A peace activist is not an idiot who would welcome commandos with flowers or a coward who would surrender pirates.”

Like that doesn’t exactly prove my point.

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sliv_the_eli Fri, Jun 18, 2010 3:05:35pm

[Link: news.yahoo.com…]

And this is why it doesn’t matter when the Israeli government releases the video. With each passing day, the UN continues to demonstrate its uselessness as anything other than a mutual aid society for the world’s despots.

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MJ Fri, Jun 18, 2010 3:20:08pm

Israelis gather to watch British singer and songwriter …

[Link: news.yahoo.com…]

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LauraNo Fri, Jun 18, 2010 7:13:13pm

Anyone with half a brain understood there would be Palestinian supporters of one kind or many on board that ship. But there also were real peace activists on board. I’m not sure I appreciated this putting peace activists in quotations as if they don’t exist. They played Israel by covering their bases. No one in the entire world is ever innocent and all the rest are guilty. Unless you’re talking about Bush/ Cheney which comes close to a clear black/ white easy to decide who the bad guys are.

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steve_davis Fri, Jun 18, 2010 7:44:45pm

re: #50 lawhawk

Also seen in these newly released videos:

Salah is a piece of work.

They also chanted we will throw them into the sea. For those who haven’t followed Middle East history since 1947- that’s the same line that the Arabs have chanted every time they call for Israel’s destruction. Throw the Jews into the sea. Eliminate Israel.

That’s what this is about. It isn’t about humanitarian aid - it’s about undermining Israel’s right to exist.

Also, the person leading the chant “Martyrs marching into Gaza by the millions” was apparently an Egyptian parliamentarian. That’s someone who is a part of the Egyptian government that signed a peace deal with Israel in 1979 and which specifically refused to take Gaza in the peace treaty along with Sinai.

Yeah, what a lovely bunch.

Whosewhatsie—Husseini. I’m reading O Jerusalem at the moment. But I can’t keep the Husseini brothers straight. Anyone wondering why the Israelis don’t trust the British any further than they can throw them, read the first third or so fo the book. The British would have liked nothing better in 1947 than for the Arabs to manage to drive the Jews into the sea.

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