‘Heritage’ An Issue in South Carolina GOP Governor Race

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In South Carolina, evangelicals, conservative activists, and the GOP base are feeling pretty uneasy about the gubernatorial campaign of Nikki Haley.

You see, there’s that troublesome “heritage issue.” It’s bubbling up. Like sewer gas.

“The heritage issue is starting to bubble up on emails,” said former Charleston County GOP chairwoman Cyndi Mosteller, who supported Attorney General Henry McMaster in the gubernatorial primary. “I am hearing those questions.”

Haley, born Nimrata Nikki Randhawa, still attends Sikh services occasionally with her parents and extended family. In 2004, after winning her first term in the state legislature, the Charlotte Observer quoted Haley as saying she and her family attend “both” Methodist and Sikh services.

As routine as that may sound to families of mixed faith, her ties to the Sikh tradition have left some evangelicals in the state uneasy.

Ray Popham, pastor of Oasis Church International in Aiken, said Haley’s religion is a “big topic” among his congregants, who have posted notes about her religion on Facebook and have lately approached him for advice about the governor’s race.

“She claims to be a Christian but also attends a Sikh temple and was married in a Sikh ceremony, so a lot of people can’t figure how you can claim both,” Popham told CNN. “I think she needs to be straight up with people, if she is both. If she believes that you can be both, then she should say that up front.”

Tony Beam, the interim pastor of Mount Creek Baptist church in Greenville, hosts a radio show called “Christian Worldview Today.” He recently posed a question to his listeners: Is Nikki Haley being honest about her faith?

Beam said several callers were not sure if Haley had completely abandoned her Sikh beliefs.

“People want to know if she is being completely forthright about it,” said Beam, a Barrett supporter. “Once you commit to Christianity, it excludes other religions. I am not saying she is not who she says she is, but I do know those questions are being raised”

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106 comments
1 darthstar  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 5:49:37pm

You’ve got to feel sorry for the sane people who live in South Carolina, being surrounded by all that crazy.

2 ~Fianna  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 5:50:09pm

Funny, when someone say’s the word ‘heritage’ my dog seems to go nuts…

3 Targetpractice  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 5:51:08pm

re: #1 darthstar

You’ve got to feel sorry for the sane people who live in South Carolina, being surrounded by all that crazy.

Oh, if only it were limited to SC…

4 What, me worry?  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 5:51:52pm

And this matters because?

5 ~Fianna  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 5:52:10pm

re: #2 ~Fianna

Funny, when someone say’s the word ‘heritage’ my dog seems to go nuts…

says. damn, stupid grocer’s apostrophe, I think that thing is contagious.

6 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 5:52:53pm

Bubbling up.

Like sewer gas.

7 ~Fianna  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 5:53:30pm

re: #6 Charles

Bubbling up.

Like sewer gas.

Or like the crude in the Gulf… and about as healthy for the body politic, too.

8 HoosierHoops  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 5:55:30pm

re: #2 ~Fianna

Funny, when someone say’s the word ‘heritage’ my dog seems to go nuts…

I have a doggie date with this girl I met with a Collie dog Sunday at lunch..
Winston met Maggie May at the park one day…
And now we have a date Sunday…A doggie play date…
I love Winston

9 b_sharp  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 5:55:37pm

re: #4 marjoriemoon

And this matters because?

I was about to ask the same question.

Isn’t polarization, whether political, religious, or even sports related, fun?

10 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 5:55:50pm

I thought they were more worrie about her being a trollop.

11 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 5:55:50pm

She might be an infiltrator. You never know.

12 Gus  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 5:56:24pm

re: #11 Charles

She might be an infiltrator. You never know.

I demand to see her birth certificate!

/

13 ~Fianna  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 5:57:13pm

re: #8 HoosierHoops

I have a doggie date with this girl I met with a Collie dog Sunday at lunch..
Winston met Maggie May at the park one day…
And now we have a date Sunday…A doggie play date…
I love Winston

That’s awesome. I’ve met more people in my neighborhood since I got my dog… it’s a nice conversation starter.

14 Targetpractice  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 5:57:21pm

re: #11 Charles

She might be an infiltrator. You never know.

A Cylon, perhaps?

15 darthstar  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 5:57:24pm

re: #9 b_sharp

I was about to ask the same question.

Isn’t polarization, whether political, religious, or even sports related, fun?

It is kind of fun…the Republicans nominated Haley in the primary, and now they’re starting to think, “Wait…she’s part Injun!” You do have to laugh…just a little.

16 What, me worry?  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 5:58:05pm

re: #9 b_sharp

I was about to ask the same question.

Isn’t polarization, whether political, religious, or even sports related, fun?

Is she a Celtic fan, too?? Oh the sacrilege!

Well at least she isn’t an atheist. I mean, hell, that’s got to count for something ;)

17 ~Fianna  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 5:58:06pm

re: #10 Killgore Trout

I thought they were more worrie about her being a trollop.

Christian trollops can repent, brown trollops are harlots who exist only to steal men’s souls while they sleep.

18 darthstar  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 5:58:08pm

re: #12 Gus 802

I demand to see her birth certificate!

/

She’s not running for President. South Carolina’s just having inclusiveness growing pains.

19 albusteve  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 5:58:09pm

I have criss crossed SC many times, it is a beautiful state, lots of history and the epitome of Southern culture….it is also the most brazenly racist state I have ever been in…I have seen and heard stuff over there that shocked this northern boy…and of course I had to mix it up with two good old boys outside of Charleston once for ridiculing and tormenting an old black guy at a gas station/sporting goods/take out joint…as usual I lost and my wife was furious, not that I took a fall for that old guy, but because I intervened…since then she has apologized a hundred times and I have a little scar over my left eyebrow for my trouble….I left SC the next day and swore I’d never go back and I haven’t

20 Kronocide  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 5:58:49pm

There’s that dog whistle thingy again.

21 b_sharp  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 5:59:25pm

re: #16 marjoriemoon

Is she a Celtic fan, too?? Oh the sacrilege!

Well at least she isn’t an atheist. I mean, hell, that’s got to count for something ;)

Ouch! Oh the pain, the pain. ;-)

22 darthstar  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 6:00:53pm

re: #20 BigPapa

There’s that dog whistle thingy again.

The best dog-whistles are done with a passive verb tense:

“People want to know if she is being completely forthright about it,” said Beam, a Barrett supporter. “Once you commit to Christianity, it excludes other religions. I am not saying she is not who she says she is, but I do know those questions are being raised
23 Racer X  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 6:01:45pm

My ears hurt.

24 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 6:02:19pm

re: #17 ~Fianna

Christian trollops can repent, brown trollops are harlots who exist only to steal men’s souls while they sleep.

What’s funny is that I hit on a lot of Indian/Asian girls in school…it’s amazing how many of them won’t look twice at a white guy…

25 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 6:02:28pm
“Once you commit to Christianity, it excludes other religions. I am not saying she is not who she says she is, but I do know those questions are being raised”


I don’t know anything about her but in Indian (and many other cultures) people often belong to several different religions at once. It’s a pretty uniquely American/European view of Christianity that makes it exclusive.

BTW, If you meet a Sikh man adress him as Sadar Jee (roughly translates to “Mr. Boss”) and he will be your friend for ever. Very loyal and lovable folks with a great sense of honor.

26 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 6:02:59pm

“Hey YOU! Hey! Get away from that!”

*BLAM*

I didn’t know Alabama Ag commission politics were so hilarious.

27 albusteve  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 6:03:48pm

re: #25 Killgore Trout

I don’t know anything about her but in Indian (and many other cultures) people often belong to several different religions at once. It’s a pretty uniquely American/European view of Christianity that makes it exclusive.

BTW, If you meet a Sikh man adress him as Sadar Jee (roughly translates to “Mr. Boss”) and he will be your friend for ever. Very loyal and lovable folks with a great sense of honor.

the whole thing is disgusting and flat out unAmerican…where the hell are we going anyway?

28 Racer X  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 6:04:48pm

‘Outside’ Magazine Owes Lance Armstrong an Apology

The seven-time Tour de France winner appears on the cover of the July issue in a T-shirt emblazoned with the message “38. BFD.” Translation: “I’m 38. Big fat deal.”

But when Armstrong posed for the cover, the shirt was blank — and apparently no one told him the words were being digitally added until he obtained a finished copy. “Just saw the cover of the new Outside mag w/ yours truly on it,” he said via Twitter. “Nice photoshop on a plain t-shirt guys. That’s some lame [expletive].”

29 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 6:04:56pm

re: #25 Killgore Trout

I don’t know anything about her but in Indian (and many other cultures) people often belong to several different religions at once. It’s a pretty uniquely American/European view of Christianity that makes it exclusive.

I disagree. It’s Christianity which is exclusive.

30 pharmmajor  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 6:06:04pm

I try to avoid being a cynical person, but nonsense like this causes me to lose a lot of faith in humanity.

31 albusteve  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 6:06:15pm

re: #29 Aceofwhat?

I disagree. It’s Christianity which is exclusive.

organized religion sucks

32 Nimed  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 6:06:54pm

re: #11 Charles

She might be an infiltrator. You never know.

You can never be too careful after the national tragedy that took place in the last Miss USA pageant.

33 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 6:07:07pm

re: #31 albusteve

organized religion sucks

i tend to agree. fortunately, i don’t have a religion so much as a relationship.

so we’re good there.

34 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 6:07:38pm

Sikhs do not proselytize. I’ve met many of them. Wonderful, warm people.

None of them tried to make me a Sikh.

Though, most of them (when it was possible) tried to feed me.

35 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 6:07:44pm

re: #25 Killgore Trout

I don’t know anything about her but in Indian (and many other cultures) people often belong to several different religions at once. It’s a pretty uniquely American/European view of Christianity that makes it exclusive.

BTW, If you meet a Sikh man adress him as Sadar Jee (roughly translates to “Mr. Boss”) and he will be your friend for ever. Very loyal and lovable folks with a great sense of honor.

Also, in Indian cultures (drawing from observations about Jindal and stories about his family, here) - there doesn’t seem to be the same all or nothing attachment required to a religion. Jindal’s Indian Hindu relatives were asked what they thought about his conversion to Catholicism, and they seemed actually, pleased as punch that Jindal, as an American, would choose to follow what they saw as an ‘American” religious tradition.

36 darthstar  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 6:08:06pm

re: #28 Racer X

Actually, BFD means “Big Fucking Deal” unless you’re anal about the f-word…then “Big Fat Deal” can be used to avoid having to type F—- as if people don’t know what it means.

37 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 6:08:08pm

re: #29 Aceofwhat?

I disagree. It’s Christianity which is exclusive.

This is true.

38 albusteve  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 6:08:16pm

re: #30 pharmmajor

I try to avoid being a cynical person, but nonsense like this causes me to lose a lot of faith in humanity.

these are a very small number of highly vocal people that get a lot of attention…humanity certainly has it’s failures but I still have faith in the vast numbers

39 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 6:09:12pm

re: #34 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Sikhs do not proselytize. I’ve met many of them. Wonderful, warm people.

None of them tried to make me a Sikh.

Yep, that’s been my experience as well.

40 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 6:09:49pm

re: #29 Aceofwhat?

I disagree. It’s Christianity which is exclusive.

DIE! YOU PAGAN HERETIC!

41 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 6:10:51pm

re: #37 reine.de.tout

This is true.

What’s a shame is not the exclusivity of Christianity but that Christians make it too big of an issue in politics.

42 ~Fianna  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 6:11:15pm

re: #24 Aceofwhat?

What’s funny is that I hit on a lot of Indian/Asian girls in school…it’s amazing how many of them won’t look twice at a white guy…

That’s interesting. I wonder what’s behind that. I can think of two things off the top of my head:
1. Cultural pressure
2. Tired of the “exotic” label

43 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 6:11:47pm

re: #40 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

DIE! YOU PAGAN HERETIC!

Well that’s not fair. I didn’t even get to do the hot nekkid pagan stuff/

44 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 6:12:32pm

re: #42 ~Fianna

That’s interesting. I wonder what’s behind that. I can think of two things off the top of my head:
1. Cultural pressure
2. Tired of the “exotic” label

3. Tired of being hit on by Ace.

45 Dr. Shalit  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 6:13:25pm

Nikki Haley, By “Heritage” is a SIKH. Anyone who knows about SIKHS and their History - Understand One Thing About Them - They Can Smell Muslim Taqquiyah from MILES away. For that reason, I propose to replace President Obama with HER - TOMORROW - If Not Sooner. Methinks the President’s “NOSE” on such things was fouled in his youth. Yo, South Carolina - In the REAL WORLD, you couldn’t want for better. -S-

46 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 6:14:56pm

re: #42 ~Fianna

That’s interesting. I wonder what’s behind that. I can think of two things off the top of my head:
1. Cultural pressure
2. Tired of the “exotic” label

Oh, it was all #1. There is a very tight correlation between the extent to which many of those cultures had been able to marinade and tenderize in the US and the extent to which the grrls would have a conversation with me.

Not saying i’m George Clooney / Brad Pitt…but compared to your average 120lb Indian mustachioed male, i’m fairly confident in my prospects;)

47 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 6:15:34pm

re: #45 Dr. Shalit

Sikhs are a beset people. Hindu’s don’t like ‘em. Muslim’s don’t like them.

One of Sikhism’s greatest legends of a Sikh who died protecting Hindu’s from persecution.

The martyrdom of Shri Guru Teg Bahadur Ji 9th Guru to protect Hindus from religious persecution, in Delhi, on 11 November 1675 AD, is an example to be followed.

Wiki

48 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 6:16:10pm

re: #35 reine.de.tout

Also, in Indian cultures (drawing from observations about Jindal and stories about his family, here) - there doesn’t seem to be the same all or nothing attachment required to a religion. Jindal’s Indian Hindu relatives were asked what they thought about his conversion to Catholicism, and they seemed actually, pleased as punch that Jindal, as an American, would choose to follow what they saw as an ‘American” religious tradition.

Yeah, that’s not surprising. Kinda cute, actually.

49 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 6:16:31pm

re: #44 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

3. Tired of being hit on by Ace.

Well, sure, but only after i failed to realize #1/

50 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 6:16:58pm

re: #49 Aceofwhat?

Yer fun.

51 Semper Fi  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 6:18:33pm

re: #6 Charles

Bubbling up.

Like sewer gas.

That’s more accurately descriptive.

52 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 6:21:37pm

re: #29 Aceofwhat?

I disagree. It’s Christianity which is exclusive.

I disagree, though no doubt many Christians will do their wicked best to make it so. The Cathars found that out the hard way.

53 Dr. Shalit  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 6:22:05pm

re: #47 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Sikhs are a beset people. Hindu’s don’t like ‘em. Muslim’s don’t like them.

One of Sikhism’s greatest legends of a Sikh who died protecting Hindu’s from persecution.

Wiki

FBV -

Exactly - AND, Who, Pray Tell , was trying to Persecute the Hindus? Shouldn’t take more than two guesses. -S-

54 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 6:22:09pm

Anybody still on this thread? This is a lovely Sikh commentary.

The first Sikh Guru—Nanak Dev—said it was a pointless argument to debate the merits of either not eating or eating meat in the context of religion, as maintaining a strict diet does not make one blessed or elevate one to a superior status, spiritually or otherwise, over another. Being a member of a religion incorporates not merely one’s dietary customs but the entire way in which they govern their lifestyle. He advocated a lifestyle consisting of honest, hard work and humility, focus and remembrance of God and compassion for all of humanity and God’s creation all around, with these three key principles taking far greater precedence over one’s dietary habits.

55 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 6:22:29pm

re: #53 Dr. Shalit

Amish?

56 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 6:23:16pm

re: #52 goddamnedfrank

I disagree, though no doubt many Christians will do their wicked best to make it so. The Cathars found that out the hard way.

You disagree that Christianity is exclusive? I’m looking forward to your Biblical support for such a statement…

57 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 6:23:46pm

re: #54 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

good stuff

58 reidr  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 6:24:43pm

re: #55 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Amish?

If I remember right, the Quakers were prank-calling them unmerciful. Quite cruel and unusual for them.

59 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 6:24:54pm

re: #44 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

3. Tired of being hit on by Ace.

*snicker*

60 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 6:25:52pm

re: #48 Killgore Trout

Yeah, that’s not surprising. Kinda cute, actually.

It was cute!

61 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 6:26:49pm

re: #52 goddamnedfrank

I disagree, though no doubt many Christians will do their wicked best to make it so. The Cathars found that out the hard way.

2 I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery;

3 Do not have any other gods before me.

…is this ringing a bell? It’s one of those pesky “commandments”. Just one example.

62 b_sharp  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 6:31:24pm

re: #61 Aceofwhat?

2 I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery;

3 Do not have any other gods before me.

…is this ringing a bell? It’s one of those pesky “commandments”. Just one example.

Hey, I do the number 3 thing.

63 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 6:36:51pm

re: #62 b_sharp

Hey, I do the number 3 thing.

See? It’s not so bad. You’re halfway there!

//

64 Dr. Shalit  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 6:37:50pm

re: #55 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Amish?

FBV -

More like the Half Brothers of the “Hamisch.”

-S-

65 celticdragon  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 6:37:57pm

re: #1 darthstar

You’ve got to feel sorry for the sane people who live in South Carolina, being surrounded by all that crazy.


No. Not for one minute.

This is the same state that Karl Rove chose to have flyers left on the windshields of cars at white congregation churches that alleged John McCain was screwing an African American woman and had black bastard children by her during the 2000 primary.

The sane people have had plenty of warning to get out I would think.

66 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 6:46:07pm

re: #56 Aceofwhat?

You disagree that Christianity is exclusive? I’m looking forward to your Biblical support for such a statement…

The Bible (any Bible) doesn’t get to define who is and who is not a Christian, that’s my point. The Cathars were murdered over this exact issue, their inclusion of gnostic texts was deemed heresy by the Church. That doesn’t make the Cathars more inclusive version of Christianity invalid.

Also, if Christianity is so exclusive by nature, then why are virtually all of it’s holidays pagan in origin?

67 Dr. Shalit  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 6:53:37pm

re: #66 goddamnedfrank

gdf -

Good “P.R.” in attracting Pagan Converts? -S-

68 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 7:04:53pm

re: #61 Aceofwhat?

2 I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery;

3 Do not have any other gods before me.

…is this ringing a bell? It’s one of those pesky “commandments”. Just one example.

“Before me” ≠ “at all.” For a time Baal and Hashem were worshiped side by side, each in separate roles. Then according to scripture Jezebel tried to tip the balance by having Jewish prophets executed, and had to be dealt with.

Lewis Black on the Old Testament:

69 Lidane  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 7:15:03pm

re: #3 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Oh, if only it were limited to SC…

Tell me about it. I just had two Facebook friends “like” this page. No surprise, they’re also constantly talking about how conservative and how Republican they are, and letting their ODS show.

I’d de-friend, but they’re people I’ve known since middle school and I like them in spite of that idiocy. It’s irritating.

70 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 7:20:00pm

re: #68 goddamnedfrank

“Before me” ≠ “at all.” For a time Baal and Hashem were worshiped side by side, each in separate roles. Then according to scripture Jezebel tried to tip the balance by having Jewish prophets executed, and had to be dealt with.

Lewis Black on the Old Testament:


[Video]

Lewis Black is hilarious.

But back on point…the Lord my God is a jealous God (Exodus 20:5). That qualifier exists specifically to point out that “before me” = “at all”.

71 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 7:23:17pm

re: #68 goddamnedfrank

“Before me” ≠ “at all.”

But don’t take my word for it. Go to the Hebrew…always best to look to our Jewish friends for a proper interpretation.

lo yiyeh-lekha elohim acheirim = “There shall not be to you the gods of others,” = the gods of others are not for you.

Are we straight?

72 pharmmajor  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 7:24:48pm

re: #38 albusteve

these are a very small number of highly vocal people that get a lot of attention…humanity certainly has it’s failures but I still have faith in the vast numbers

That’s what I keep reminding myself. Just… stuff like this really pisses me off.

73 What, me worry?  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 7:28:34pm

re: #68 goddamnedfrank

“Before me” ≠ “at all.” For a time Baal and Hashem were worshiped side by side, each in separate roles. Then according to scripture Jezebel tried to tip the balance by having Jewish prophets executed, and had to be dealt with.

Lewis Black on the Old Testament:


[Video]

The Shema is the foundation of Jewish Prayer.

Hear O Israel. The Lord, our God, the Lord is One.

[Link: www.aish.com…]

The Shema is a declaration of faith, a pledge of allegiance to One God. It is said upon arising in the morning and upon going to sleep at night. It is said when praising God and when beseeching Him. It is the first prayer that a Jewish child is taught to say. It is the last words a Jew says prior to death.

74 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 7:30:35pm

re: #73 marjoriemoon

Like i said…want a proper OT perspective, ask a Jewish friend;)

75 What, me worry?  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 7:39:51pm

re: #74 Aceofwhat?

Like i said…want a proper OT perspective, ask a Jewish friend;)

hehe Well, there are many more folks here that know a whole lot more than me, but that really is the foundation, One God. That’s something you know from when you’re a little tyke, religious or not religious.

In fact, references to one God are woven throughout the entire Torah, just about in every story, sometimes hidden or alluded to, sometimes in your face, but still there.

For any who are interested, here’s a great Jewish interpretation of the Top Ten.

76 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 7:42:35pm

re: #75 marjoriemoon

Well said. And it’s more accurate to say that it is Judaism which is exclusive, a foundation which Jesus only reinforced, for us Christians.

77 What, me worry?  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 7:45:59pm

re: #76 Aceofwhat?

Well said. And it’s more accurate to say that it is Judaism which is exclusive, a foundation which Jesus only reinforced, for us Christians.

I’m not sure I follow you, but it’s ok if you don’t want to expand.

78 CuriousLurker  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 7:48:52pm

“The heritage issue is starting to bubble up on emails,” said former Charleston County GOP chairwoman Cyndi Mosteller, who supported Attorney General Henry McMaster in the gubernatorial primary. “I am hearing those questions.”

Yuck.

79 ciceroniana  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 7:50:07pm

Oh, my home state. I’ve moved away, but just when I was thinking about repatriating myself to vote for Alvin Greene this has to happen.

I think NC is embarassed b/c SC is like that jerky, miscreant kid in high school that everyone mistakenly thinks you’re realated to because you have the same last nme.

80 ciceroniana  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 7:51:31pm

And the word “heritage” is a favorite in SC politics: it was bantered about a lot during the Confederate flag “scandal” in the late nineties.

81 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 7:58:24pm

re: #77 marjoriemoon

I’m not sure I follow you, but it’s ok if you don’t want to expand.

Oh, it was a thing below about whether Christianity is exclusive…which it is, but for the exact same reason that Judaism is exclusive. In other words, Jesus didn’t show up and say “hey, dudes, i’m here now…so just pray to whoever you want, it’s cool, don’t worry about all that stuff about One God”

;)

82 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 8:03:49pm

I’m arguing the literature and history of religious syncretism, not dogmatic adherence to one’s own idea of hat constitutes acceptable scripture. A agree that the that following the Exile the Hebrews were much more strictly monotheistic. How this makes a Sikh Christian woman who might still harbor Sikh beliefs less of a Christian is hard for me to grasp though. Let’s say she views the two Gods as identical, how is the concept of God in Sikhism incompatible with the idea of God in Christianity?

re: #76 Aceofwhat?

Well said. And it’s more accurate to say that it is Judaism which is exclusive, a foundation which Jesus only reinforced, for us Christians.

If Christians aren’t allowed to incorporate a brand new belief set, declare all other incarnations of Christianity invalid, declare that all non-conforming Christians are going to hell, and still remain Christians, then I guess Mormons aren’t Christians.

83 Steve  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 8:05:28pm

She claims to be a Christian but also attends a Sikh temple and was married in a Sikh ceremony…

People can call themselves anything they want to. Does not mean that that is what they are!

84 Ciceroniana  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 8:06:33pm

re: #82 goddamnedfrank

That is exactly the position of many fundamentalists (including SC Southern Baptists, which are more my area of expertise and somewhat germaine to this conversation) re: Mormons.

85 Ciceroniana  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 8:07:59pm

And “heritage” is a codework in SC for “WASPiness.” She’s just not gonna pass that tests for some people down there, but my general impression is that many do like her, and she has a pretty good chance of getting elected.

86 Ciceroniana  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 8:08:46pm

re: #85 Ciceroniana
codeword

87 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 8:09:04pm

re: #82 goddamnedfrank

I’m arguing the literature and history of religious syncretism, not dogmatic adherence to one’s own idea of hat constitutes acceptable scripture. A agree that the that following the Exile the Hebrews were much more strictly monotheistic. How this makes a Sikh Christian woman who might still harbor Sikh beliefs less of a Christian is hard for me to grasp though. Let’s say she views the two Gods as identical, how is the concept of God in Sikhism incompatible with the idea of God in Christianity?

Because there is only One God, if Christianity is the path you choose. It is as clear and redundant as it is non-negotiable. Bickering about popes, saints, hymnals, etc…not the same at all.

The Judaistic and Christian concept of one God are very, very similar. See Marjorie’s post. It is the same for Christians.

88 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 8:10:32pm

re: #84 Ciceroniana

That is exactly the position of many fundamentalists (including SC Southern Baptists, which are more my area of expertise and somewhat germaine to this conversation) re: Mormons.

Those people don’t consider Catholics to be Christians either, which highlights my point. If Christianity is exclusive, it’s only because some people work very hard at selling that idea.

89 Ciceroniana  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 8:13:51pm

re: #88 goddamnedfrank
No, they do not. Which really, really bothers me as I work at the Catholic school now.

90 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 8:18:42pm

re: #88 goddamnedfrank

If Christianity is exclusive, it’s only because some people work very hard at selling that idea.

Like Marjorie said. One God. It’s as clear as day.

91 Irenicum  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 8:20:40pm

Stephen Prothero has a new book out called “God Is Not One” and his basic premise is that, contrary to both religious liberals like Karen Armstrong and committed atheists like Dakwins et al, The world’s major religions do have some fundamental differences. Each are exclusive in their own ways and yet overlap in many other areas. The strict monotheism of Judaism, Christianity and Islam is inherently exclusive among those who follow the traditional teachings of each. Are there those among each religion that this wouldn’t apply to? Of course, but they’re contradicting the basic text behind their respective tradition/religion.

92 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 8:23:39pm

re: #91 Irenicum

Stephen Prothero has a new book out called “God Is Not One” and his basic premise is that, contrary to both religious liberals like Karen Armstrong and committed atheists like Dakwins et al, The world’s major religions do have some fundamental differences. Each are exclusive in their own ways and yet overlap in many other areas. The strict monotheism of Judaism, Christianity and Islam is inherently exclusive among those who follow the traditional teachings of each. Are there those among each religion that this wouldn’t apply to? Of course, but they’re contradicting the basic text behind their respective tradition/religion.

well said

93 Irenicum  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 8:23:44pm

By the way, my critique of Prothero is that he relies much too heavily on the “official” version of each of the religions he speaks of and doesn’t take into account enough that each religion looks very different “on the street” than in the academy or religious authority structure.

94 Irenicum  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 8:24:58pm

re: #92 Aceofwhat?

Thanks. I’ve enjoyed reading your input tonight as well.

95 What, me worry?  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 8:49:57pm

re: #81 Aceofwhat?

Oh, it was a thing below about whether Christianity is exclusive…which it is, but for the exact same reason that Judaism is exclusive. In other words, Jesus didn’t show up and say “hey, dudes, i’m here now…so just pray to whoever you want, it’s cool, don’t worry about all that stuff about One God”

;)

Well, Judaism isn’t exclusive though if I’m following you. We readily accept converts. We don’t go after them, but they are always welcome.

Exclusive in the sense of One God only? I guess I wouldn’t use that word.

96 What, me worry?  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 8:56:40pm

re: #87 Aceofwhat?

Because there is only One God, if Christianity is the path you choose. It is as clear and redundant as it is non-negotiable. Bickering about popes, saints, hymnals, etc…not the same at all.

The Judaistic and Christian concept of one God are very, very similar. See Marjorie’s post. It is the same for Christians.

But isn’t Jesus also considered Lord? Don’t you pray to Jesus? I confess (har har) I don’t know the nuances between the Christian sects, Catholic v. various Protestant sects.

Anyway, in that aspect, and knowing nothing about Sikh, I can see why Sikh and Christianity would be compatible, according to Frank upthread. Not with Sikh and Judaism, tho.

97 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 8:58:41pm

re: #87 Aceofwhat?

Because there is only One God, if Christianity is the path you choose. It is as clear and redundant as it is non-negotiable. Bickering about popes, saints, hymnals, etc…not the same at all.

The Judaistic and Christian concept of one God are very, very similar. See Marjorie’s post. It is the same for Christians.

How about bickering about murder, coveting, blasphemy, taking HIS name in vain, and working on the Sabbath. Christians, and Jews for that matter break commandments all the time, why do you think that this one Commandment defines who gets to fit inside the ven diagram and who doesn’t? I especially find this reliance on one Commandment problematic for the idea of Christian exclusivity considering the history of syncretism in the growth of the Church and how it shaped the holidays.

98 What, me worry?  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 9:00:45pm

re: #91 Irenicum

Stephen Prothero has a new book out called “God Is Not One” and his basic premise is that, contrary to both religious liberals like Karen Armstrong and committed atheists like Dakwins et al, The world’s major religions do have some fundamental differences. Each are exclusive in their own ways and yet overlap in many other areas. The strict monotheism of Judaism, Christianity and Islam is inherently exclusive among those who follow the traditional teachings of each. Are there those among each religion that this wouldn’t apply to? Of course, but they’re contradicting the basic text behind their respective tradition/religion.

He was on Colbert last week, a freak thing that I saw it. I was actually impressed at his categorization of the various religious. He was right on with Judaism for the little he managed to get out about the book.

I’m not sure I get the premise tho. Of course the religions are different. That doesn’t mean that there isn’t one universal truth out there.

99 What, me worry?  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 9:02:23pm

re: #93 Irenicum

By the way, my critique of Prothero is that he relies much too heavily on the “official” version of each of the religions he speaks of and doesn’t take into account enough that each religion looks very different “on the street” than in the academy or religious authority structure.

The “official” version is ok. It’s the basis for other interpretation. I was thinking of reading it, actually. I’m not sure what he’s trying to say.

100 lostlakehiker  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 9:15:24pm

re: #15 darthstar

It is kind of fun…the Republicans nominated Haley in the primary, and now they’re starting to think, “Wait…she’s part Injun!” You do have to laugh…just a little.

Louisiana Republicans nominated and elected Jindal governor of LA. It’s not about race. It’s about religion.

It shouldn’t be about either, but still.

101 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jun 18, 2010 10:21:42pm

re: #100 lostlakehiker

Louisiana Republicans nominated and elected Jindal governor of LA. It’s not about race. It’s about religion.

It shouldn’t be about either, but still.

I am not convinced. This woman’s also been called a ‘[bigoted word]’, and I do not think if she had been born a Christian, they would be playing these games trying to ‘make sure’ she’s theologically sound.

This IS about race.

102 RogueOne  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 5:06:09am

re: #41 Aceofwhat?

What’s a shame is not the exclusivity of Christianity but that Christians make it too big of an issue in politics.

We’re talking about Southern Baptists here, it shouldn’t come as a surprise that their main concern is her religion. Their second concern is if she dances.

103 RogueOne  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 5:07:27am

re: #100 lostlakehiker

Louisiana Republicans nominated and elected Jindal governor of LA. It’s not about race. It’s about religion.

It shouldn’t be about either, but still.

I’m in agreement. Religious intolerance is a form of bigotry but I don’t believe, in this case, that it’s racist. Like I said in the last post, we’re talking about southern baptists.

104 RayGunIsDead  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 9:03:00am

re: #98 marjoriemoon

“Of course the religions are different. That doesn’t mean that there isn’t one universal truth out there.”

And of course the Muslims have that truth, as do the Christians, as does most every other group.

105 Fortitudine  Sat, Jun 19, 2010 10:35:12pm

What continues to puzzle me about the Republican Party is that it is going out of its way to alienate demographics (such as Indians and Hispanics) that embrace traditional conservative values such as hard work, education, religion and family. This is nuts.

106 wheat-dogghazi  Sun, Jun 20, 2010 4:49:01am

Well, my first time commenting here …

I’m not surprised about some right wing Christians being suspicious about Haley’s Sikh-ness. Many of them believe yoga, tai chi, karate, meditation and other activities that have spiritual side to them are un-Christian, if not sinful.

Sikhs are cool people, generally. But don’t ever get them angry enough to form an army. Pretty good fighters, from what I hear.


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