The Blogs Who Cried ‘Outrage!’

That “Internet kill switch” story that was everywhere on the right wing blogs at the end of last week was yet another bogus wingnut fantasy. Imagine my surprise.

And this is why I didn’t write anything about it. I don’t trust anything coming from the fright wing any more. I don’t even trust them enough to spend time researching the stories they push. When the wingnut blogs all begin screaming in unison about yet another outrageous outrage, my default assumptions are that they’re: 1) ludicrously mistaken, 2) hallucinating, or 3) lying outright.

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157 comments

1 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 10:15:09am

He's dead, Jim!

2 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 10:16:30am

Now? I'm surprised when I'm not surprised.

3 darthstar  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 10:16:39am

Then how do you explain THIS?!

And don't think I won't push it, now that I've found it.

4 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 10:17:40am

re: #2 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Now? I'm surprised when I'm not surprised.

Wait! I'm not surprised when I am surprised?

Or I am surprised that I am surprised?

Oh, hell with it.

5 Kragar  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 10:17:54am

I'm outraged by their outrageous outrage.

6 Digital Display  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 10:18:17am

I find it hard to believe there is a kill switch for the Backbone routers on the Net..When the Gov't has access to the tables.. I'll believe it

7 wrenchwench  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 10:18:19am

re: #4 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Wait! I'm not surprised when I am surprised?

Or I am surprised that I am surprised?

Oh, hell with it.

I'm surprised you would say such a thing.

8 Kragar  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 10:19:55am
9 ReamWorks SKG  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 10:19:55am

Thanks for the executive summary! I'm glad I didn't waste any time reading up on any of these stories....

10 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 10:20:04am

My company issued laptop has a remote kill switch.

Wonder if it makes a noise like "BZZZAAAP!" or just goes dark.

11 aurelius  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 10:20:46am

Wingnuts. Jeebus.

How do they manage to function in the world? Inept lying, hallucinating, and idiocy tend not to translate well to success...

and yet so many of them are successful, wealthy, and in positions of power.

frustrating.

12 darthstar  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 10:20:50am

re: #8 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The Kill Switch is real.

Nice toggle...come here often?

13 Targetpractice  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 10:21:29am

re: #1 ralphieboy

He's dead, Jim!

You get his tricorder, I'll grab his wallet.

14 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 10:22:50am
15 aurelius  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 10:22:58am

re: #10 Fat Bastard Vegetarian


so the killswitch is a vuvuzela? interesting...

16 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 10:23:15am
My default assumption, when the wingnut blogs all begin screaming in unison about yet another outrageous outrage, is that they’re either: 1) ludicrously mistaken, 2) hallucinating, or 3) outright lying.


All of the above.

17 MrSilverDragon  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 10:23:49am

Humans can claim all they want that there's an Internet killswitch out there that can be flipped on a whim... but no matter what humans say, Skynet will never let them shut it down.

/

18 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 10:25:08am

Instapundit wrote yesterday....

THE MISSING GATES: Reader John Koisch makes an interesting observation:

For as long as I can recall, the media dubbed everything scandalous a “gate” of some sort after the famous Watergate. So we had Watergate, Contragate, and of course the blogosphere had Rathergate, and so on.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

I can’t recall a single “xxxgate” since Obama came to office, at least not in common parlance.

On the one hand, it is welcome relief from a tired meme. But on the other, I wonder if the lack of Londongate, Stupakgate, Oilgate, Golfgate, [the democrat who was anti-abortion and wouldn't vote for the healthcare bill, but did anyway once he got a hug from Obama]gate, Tarpgate, and so on indicates some sort of complicity amongst the MSM?

It strikes me odd.

Hmm. It’s not as if there haven’t been scandals. . . .

UPDATE: Several readers suggest “Profli-Gate” as the catch-all description for this Administration . . .

It never occurred to him that they're all fake scandals with no basis in reality.

19 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 10:25:21am

re: #13 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

You get his tricorder, I'll grab his wallet.

Actually, I just grabbed his phaser, so I'll thank you both to hand those items over. Do it quietly, and no one gets hurt but the Red Shirt.

//

20 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 10:25:48am

re: #15 aurelius

Idon'tknownithehellyouaretalkingabout ding.

21 aurelius  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 10:26:51am

lots of the wingnut blogs are screaming upset about this:

[Link: www.dailykos.com...]

hopefully it's another false outrage.

will have to dig deeper to understand this.

22 Kragar  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 10:27:31am

re: #19 Dark_Falcon

Actually, I just grabbed his phaser, so I'll thank you both to hand those items over. Do it quietly, and no one gets hurt but the Red Shirt.

//

A moment of silence...dibs on his gear.
/old D&D prayer

23 aurelius  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 10:28:06am

re: #20 Fat Bastard Vegetarian


;) you know, bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

vuvuzelas

world cup


oh well, I'll keep my day job.

24 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 10:29:01am

re: #23 aurelius

OH! I GET IT! That's funny as hell.

I've never seen the word in print.

Was a great joke!

25 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 10:29:05am

re: #21 aurelius

lots of the wingnut blogs are screaming upset about this:

[Link: www.dailykos.com...]

hopefully it's another false outrage.

will have to dig deeper to understand this.

I saw mention earlier today that it was actually a Chinese ship that the protesters mistook for an Israeli ship. I'm not sure how true that is.

26 Digital Display  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 10:29:56am

re: #17 MrSilverDragon

Humans can claim all they want that there's an Internet killswitch out there that can be flipped on a whim... but no matter what humans say, Skynet will never let them shut it down.

/

Yes...And the problem with shutting down the net is that all Enterprise and public Routers get an updated routing table from the Backbone Cisco Boxes..
You can shut down the boxes..But everybody else in the world has a copy of the tables...Our network will find you.. The only way to create a Kill switch is to shut off circuit itself.. Then again..That takes down phone service, Cell phones..Not good

27 darthstar  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 10:30:01am

If you shut down the internet, bad things will happen...

The Gibe-F worm, an e-mail-transmittable virus, initiated cascading server failures. Within an hour, Internet service to more than 90 percent of the U.S. was disabled, either by the worm or by network firewalls that initiated security protocols.

"Unlike SoBig or Blaster, this worm didn't harm individual computers; it just used them as a gate to attack the Internet at the ISP level," Kessler said. "Computer technicians at most offices couldn't do anything but sit by helplessly as people worked through stacks of filing, wrote business-related letters they'd put off for months, and sold record amounts of goods and services over the phone."

28 cliffster  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 10:30:17am

re: #6 HoosierHoops

I find it hard to believe there is a kill switch for the Backbone routers on the Net..When the Gov't has access to the tables.. I'll believe it

When black helicopters are hovering over MAE East and MAE West, I'll believe it.

29 Kragar  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 10:31:56am

re: #27 darthstar

If you shut down the internet, bad things will happen...

Ceilingcat deems you a heretic.

30 Four More Tears  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 10:34:01am

re: #14 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Is this a good time to link this?...

I don't think there's a bad time to link that.

Hope your daughter's boyfriend is doing alright, by the way.

31 Summer Seale  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 10:34:20am

I dedicate the following to the Right Wing Blogs:

32 Donna Ballard  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 10:35:45am

Gee, I wonder what would happen if the internet was turned off...
Dogs and cats living together?

33 MrSilverDragon  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 10:36:16am

re: #26 HoosierHoops

Yes...And the problem with shutting down the net is that all Enterprise and public Routers get an updated routing table from the Backbone Cisco Boxes..
You can shut down the boxes..But everybody else in the world has a copy of the tables...Our network will find you.. The only way to create a Kill switch is to shut off circuit itself.. Then again..That takes down phone service, Cell phones..Not good

Really, the only way to "kill" the Internet is for *all* Internet Service Providers to shut off all of their routers and switches.

That'll never happen.

And Cisco? That's so '90s. Juniper Networks, baby!

34 cliffster  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 10:36:41am

re: #32 Dragon_Lady

Gee, I wonder what would happen if the internet was turned off...
Dogs and cats living together?

People would start becoming less stupid immediately. Google is the biggest dumbing agent in the history of mankind.

35 aurelius  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 10:37:15am

speaking of vuvuzelas, FBV, I note that there was talk of what would happen if someone tried to bring one to an NHL game.

the response from the NHL rep was "If anybody brings a vuvuzela to an NHL game, they will be killed, cryogentically frozen until they can be brought back to life, and then killed again."

36 OldnGrumpy  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 10:37:49am

re: #32 Dragon_Lady

Gee, I wonder what would happen if the internet was turned off...
Dogs and cats living together?

Fires,floods,disease,pestilence

basically, all the worst parts of the Bible

37 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 10:38:08am

So the office of the president has had such powers since long before the internet existed, and yet, it is an "outrage" to make these powers more specified in extent.

The stupid never fails to astound.

38 Targetpractice  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 10:38:36am

re: #32 Dragon_Lady

Gee, I wonder what would happen if the internet was turned off...
Dogs and cats living together?

You'd hear a simultaneous scream of anguish and hysteria crossing the globe, louder than any nuclear bomb detonation in history.

39 Donna Ballard  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 10:38:50am

re: #34 cliffster

People would start becoming less stupid immediately. Google is the biggest dumbing agent in the history of mankind.

Between Google and calculators its amazing anyone can do anything right... You know my Dad told me that he's actually having to practice hand writing on paper because he's started to loose the ability to write!

40 brennant  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 10:39:03am

re: #36 OldnGrumpy

"Mass hysteria!"

"The walls of the 51st precinct were bleeding"

41 MrSilverDragon  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 10:40:00am

re: #35 aurelius

speaking of vuvuzelas, FBV, I note that there was talk of what would happen if someone tried to bring one to an NHL game.

the response from the NHL rep was "If anybody brings a vuvuzela to an NHL game, they will be killed, cryogentically frozen until they can be brought back to life, and then killed again."

Ooooh, I hope they store the bodies inside the rink just far enough below the surface so you can still see them!

/ no, I didn't take my lithium, why do you ask?

42 ReamWorks SKG  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 10:40:52am

BTW: I think if you shut down the Internet, American Productivity would go UP!

In China, many sites are blocked, either 24/7 or intermittently : Facebook, YouTube, Twitter, and many photo sharing sites like Flickr, etc.

Can you imagine what would happen to American Productivity if these sites were blocked here?

43 Summer Seale  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 10:41:04am

re: #39 Dragon_Lady

Between Google and calculators its amazing anyone can do anything right... You know my Dad told me that he's actually having to practice hand writing on paper because he's started to loose the ability to write!

"Wrrrriiiii...ttteee...? Smithers! What is that word??" =)

44 cliffster  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 10:41:19am

re: #39 Dragon_Lady

Between Google and calculators its amazing anyone can do anything right... You know my Dad told me that he's actually having to practice hand writing on paper because he's started to loose the ability to write!

Haha, me too! As for the dumbing of people by technology, Google (and calculators) may take second place.. reminds me of a Dave Barry quote:

“Scientists now believe that the primary biological function of breasts is to make males stupid.

45 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 10:41:45am
46 OldnGrumpy  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 10:41:53am

/Internet

/initiate self destruct final sequence

/code:000destruct0

47 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 10:42:33am

re: #25 Killgore Trout

I saw mention earlier today that it was actually a Chinese ship that the protesters mistook for an Israeli ship. I'm not sure how true that is.

Zombie had photos of the protesters and links to the lefties IndyBay protest pages on PJM. Take that for whatever its worth. Zombie did not act with integrity on LGF (by having sock puppets and using them as a claque to generate buzz for his site), so that must be taken into account. But I think this one is genuine. That said, its seems more a reflection of the far-left in the Bay Area, not reflective of the nation as a whole.

48 Digital Display  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 10:43:13am

re: #28 cliffster

When black helicopters are hovering over MAE East and MAE West, I'll believe it.

There is a great reason the Enterprise is embracing 802.1x port security on Cisco Switches..Homeland security need to get off their ass and stop the hacking into our systems..
The beauty of port security is that the user needs a CA cert to access resources...And that cert id's the user..Without the Cert the port will shut down and nothing passes...Period..But it also issues one other Cert.. A MAC cert that ID's the machine you are on...You can only access the Network with a certified machine..
So you can be in a Library computer with every password in the world and without an approved computer holding a cert..You are locked out of access..
Tough system to hack...

49 Donna Ballard  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 10:43:53am

re: #44 cliffster

Haha, me too! As for the dumbing of people by technology, Google (and calculators) may take second place.. reminds me of a Dave Barry quote:

“Scientists now believe that the primary biological function of breasts is to make males stupid.

My compooters is's smarts so's I noes haz too be. :P

50 Four More Tears  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 10:44:14am

re: #46 OldnGrumpy

/Internet

/initiate self destruct final sequence

/code:000destruct0

I have more elaborate passwords on my pr0n accounts than Starfleet had on its flagship...

51 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 10:44:49am

re: #48 HoosierHoops

There is a great reason the Enterprise is embracing 802.1x port security on Cisco Switches..Homeland security need to get off their ass and stop the hacking into our systems..
The beauty of port security is that the user needs a CA cert to access resources...And that cert id's the user..Without the Cert the port will shut down and nothing passes...Period..But it also issues one other Cert.. A MAC cert that ID's the machine you are on...You can only access the Network with a certified machine..
So you can be in a Library computer with every password in the world and without an approved computer holding a cert..You are locked out of access..
Tough system to hack...

"The First Amendment protects radical opinions, but we need the legal tools to do things like monitor the recruitment of terrorists via the Internet," Janet Napolitano told a gathering of the American Constitution Society for Law and Policy.

52 Donna Ballard  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 10:45:12am

re: #38 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

You'd hear a simultaneous scream of anguish and hysteria crossing the globe, louder than any nuclear bomb detonation in history.

That would surprise me not! Stupidity is as stupidity does...

53 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 10:46:03am

re: #50 JasonA

Dark Helmet: So the combination is... one, two, three, four, five? That's the stupidest combination I've ever heard in my life! The kind of thing an idiot would have on his luggage!

President Skroob: That's amazing. I've got the same combination on my luggage.

-Spaceballs
(was on yesterday)

54 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 10:46:04am

re: #48 HoosierHoops

I see one problem there. It is incredibly easy to spoof (and change) MAC addresses.

55 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 10:46:10am

re: #40 brennant

"Mass hysteria!"

"The walls of the 51st precinct were bleeding"

"Obama caused an explosion!"

"Is this true?"

"Yes, it's true; Alex Jones has no dick."

56 Targetpractice  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 10:46:40am

Oh, and a word of warning. If the Internet should ever go down and you see dozens of pale, misshapen creatures that vaguely resemble humans walking the streets, do not be alarmed. They are not zombies, but gamers who are venturing out in the world for the first time. Be careful not to spook them, for their frighten easily.

57 OldnGrumpy  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 10:47:24am

re: #50 JasonA

I have more elaborate passwords on my pr0n accounts than Starfleet had on its flagship...

Yeah,the self destruct code on the Enterprise D was even more elaborate

Piccard-computer iniate self destruct

computer-self destruct activated

58 MrSilverDragon  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 10:47:29am

re: #28 cliffster

When black helicopters are hovering over MAE East and MAE West, I'll believe it.

Even if both MAEs are wiped off the map, there's still plenty of exchanges out there to pass traffic. That added with private peering, it'd take a lot to knock out Internet traffic. Part of my job is making sure that it's very difficult for someone to do that.

59 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 10:47:29am

re: #56 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

The sun might get on them...

They'll be mysteriously drawn to Red Bull signage...

60 OldnGrumpy  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 10:48:02am

re: #57 OldnGrumpy

Yeah,the self destruct code on the Enterprise D was even more elaborate

Piccard-computer iniate self destruct

computer-self destruct activated

iniate=initiate

PIMF duh!

61 Donna Ballard  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 10:48:23am

re: #51 Walter L. Newton

"The First Amendment protects radical opinions, but we need the legal tools to do things like monitor the recruitment of terrorists via the Internet," Janet Napolitano told a gathering of the American Constitution Society for Law and Policy.

The way crap is spread on the internet I for one would be delighted to see the 1st amendments right be revoked on the internet. Lord how the nuts of this world spread stupidity and hate like most people spread peanut butter on bread!

62 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 10:49:12am

re: #36 OldnGrumpy

Fires,floods,disease,pestilence

basically, all the worst parts of the Bible

What? Those were the best parts!

63 Kragar  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 10:49:14am

More news from the Socialist Utopia

Hugo Chavez Spearheads Raids as Food Prices Skyrocket

Mountains of rotting food found at a government warehouse, soaring prices and soldiers raiding wholesalers accused of hoarding: Food supply is the latest battle in President Hugo Chavez's socialist revolution.

Venezuelan army soldiers swept through the working class, pro-Chavez neighborhood of Catia in Caracas last week, seizing 120 tons of rice along with coffee and powdered milk that officials said was to be sold above regulated prices.

"The battle for food is a matter of national security," said a red-shirted official from the Food Ministry, resting his arm on a pallet laden with bags of coffee.

64 Four More Tears  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 10:49:24am

re: #56 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Oh, and a word of warning. If the Internet should ever go down and you see dozens of pale, misshapen creatures that vaguely resemble humans walking the streets, do not be alarmed. They are not zombies, but gamers who are venturing out in the world for the first time. Be careful not to spook them, for their frighten easily.

If you're feeling charitable, extend an offer to them to join your party. One exception: Leeeeroy Jenkins.

65 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 10:49:48am

re: #61 Dragon_Lady

The way crap is spread on the internet I for one would be delighted to see the 1st amendments right be revoked on the internet. Lord how the nuts of this world spread stupidity and hate like most people spread peanut butter on bread!

Not only is it a bad idea to tamper with the 1st amendment, it is a practical impossibility to enforce on a decentralized network such as the internet.

66 MrSilverDragon  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 10:49:53am

re: #64 JasonA

If you're feeling charitable, extend an offer to them to join your party. One exception: Leeeroy Jenkins.

Well, at least he ain't "chicken".

67 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 10:50:13am

re: #30 JasonA

Thanks. It's terrible.

68 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 10:50:22am

re: #64 JasonA

If you're feeling charitable, extend an offer to them to join your party. One exception: Leeeroy Jenkins.

If you see Leeroy, just give him some chicken. That's all he really wants.

69 Four More Tears  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 10:50:40am

re: #67 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Thanks. It's terrible.

:(

{{{FBV}}}

70 Racer X  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 10:50:44am

re: #56 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Oh, and a word of warning. If the Internet should ever go down and you see dozens of pale, misshapen creatures that vaguely resemble humans walking the streets, do not be alarmed. They are not zombies, but gamers who are venturing out in the world for the first time. Be careful not to spook them, for they frighten easily.

Not very good gamers then.

71 Kragar  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 10:50:56am

re: #57 OldnGrumpy

Yeah,the self destruct code on the Enterprise D was even more elaborate

Piccard-computer iniate self destruct

computer-self destruct activated

"What did you use as a keyword?"
"Keyword."
"Yeah, what did you use for your keyword."
"I told you. Keyword."

72 cliffster  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 10:50:59am

re: #48 HoosierHoops

There is a great reason the Enterprise is embracing 802.1x port security on Cisco Switches..Homeland security need to get off their ass and stop the hacking into our systems..
The beauty of port security is that the user needs a CA cert to access resources...And that cert id's the user..Without the Cert the port will shut down and nothing passes...Period..But it also issues one other Cert.. A MAC cert that ID's the machine you are on...You can only access the Network with a certified machine..
So you can be in a Library computer with every password in the world and without an approved computer holding a cert..You are locked out of access..
Tough system to hack...

Didn't know about the CA cert part. Sounds like a lot of overhead. The MAC lockdown is cool but if someone knows an approved MAC they can just set their own to that..

73 Targetpractice  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 10:52:05am

re: #70 Racer X

Not very good gamers then.

Depends on the brand of gamer they are.

74 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 10:52:06am

re: #72 cliffster

Didn't know about the CA cert part. Sounds like a lot of overhead. The MAC lockdown is cool but if someone knows an approved MAC they can just set their own to that..

Not just that, but SSL in general is quite hackable. It isn't mathematically sound.

75 Digital Display  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 10:52:21am

re: #54 Fozzie Bear

I see one problem there. It is incredibly easy to spoof (and change) MAC addresses.

The issuance of a Cert to a Machine in active directory is seriously a High security transaction.. and with out a 128 bit PVK key you can't beat the encryption..You'd have a better chance hacking a bank machine..

76 Racer X  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 10:52:54am

I say shut it down. Turn it off. The internet is one big time bandit. It steals my precious time, and I can never get it back.

/lacks self control

77 Four More Tears  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 10:53:05am

re: #71 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

"What did you use as a keyword?"
"Keyword."
"Yeah, what did you use for your keyword."
"I told you. Keyword."

"'To start press any key.' Where's the 'any' key?"

78 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 10:53:12am

Boyfriend update...

Needs breathing help. Heavy smoker (dude's only 20) lungs very prone to pneumonia.

Daughter hasn't left his side.

Fuck.

79 Four More Tears  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 10:53:39am

re: #73 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Depends on the brand of gamer they are.

Effin cowardly twinks... *grumble grumble*

80 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 10:53:54am

re: #70 Racer X

Not very good gamers then.

I thought they'd be afraid of the real world...

81 cliffster  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 10:54:08am

re: #78 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

fuck. sorry

82 Racer X  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 10:54:23am

re: #73 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Depends on the brand of gamer they are.

If they frighten easily, I'm guessing Myst?

83 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 10:56:09am

re: #75 HoosierHoops

The issuance of a Cert to a Machine in active directory is seriously a High security transaction.. and with out a 128 bit PVK key you can't beat the encryption..You'd have a better chance hacking a bank machine..

There are numerous published exploits to SSL. It just isn't the fortress it is advertised as.

84 Kragar  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 10:56:11am

Chavez declares war on Venezulean businesses

Chavez said wealthy leaders of the country's main business chambers "have declared economic war against me."

"I accept the challenge," Chavez said in a televised speech. "I declare myself at economic war and I call the people and the workers to economic war."

He also warned Lorenzo Mendoza, president of food producer Empresas Polar: "If you think I won't dare to nationalize Empresas Polar, you're very wrong."

Chavez has accused business leaders of attempting to worsen Venezuela's economic troubles and weaken his political support. Business leaders deny it.

The oil-exporting country is struggling with 30 percent inflation and a deepening recession.

Only a socialist could somehow find a way to end up collapsing an economy selling one of the most crucial commodities in the world today.

85 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 10:56:34am

re: #63 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

More news from the Socialist Utopia

Hugo Chavez Spearheads Raids as Food Prices Skyrocket

"The battle for food is a matter of national security," said a red-shirted official from the Food Ministry, resting his arm on a pallet laden with bags of coffee.

"Civil War is the struggle for food. Long Live Civil War!" - Leon Trotsky, 1920

86 Racer X  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 10:56:38am

re: #80 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I thought they'd be afraid of the real world...

After killing zombies and battling roving car thiefs and warriors, you would think real life would be cake.

87 Kragar  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 10:57:06am

re: #82 Racer X

If they frighten easily, I'm guessing Myst?

Hello Kitty island adventure

88 Racer X  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 10:57:57am

re: #84 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Chavez declares war on Venezulean businesses

Only a socialist could somehow find a way to end up collapsing an economy selling one of the most crucial commodities in the world today.

I'm cheering him on. He is destroying his own country faster than any of our CIA guys could.

89 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 10:58:41am

re: #18 Killgore Trout

Congratulations to MSM and the Obama administration on their gatelessness.

90 Kragar  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 10:58:43am

re: #88 Racer X

I'm cheering him on. He is destroying his own country faster than any of our CIA guys could.

Wait until its all played out and they end up claiming he was one of our CIA guys.

91 What, me worry?  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 10:59:00am

re: #78 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Boyfriend update...

Needs breathing help. Heavy smoker (dude's only 20) lungs very prone to pneumonia.

Daughter hasn't left his side.

Fuck.

I don't know if this is appropriate, but I had a friend who was a quadriplegic. I mentioned him before when Rand Paul was going off on an anti-disabled people rant. My friend Drew Batavia. (He passed a couple years ago at age 45.)

Drew was in a car accident at 16 which left him paralyzed from the neck down. He managed to finish school, then remarkably, get through Harvard and even more amazing, got his law degree. In fact, he helped write the Americans for Disability Act. Yes, a severely disabled person did that and changed the world.

Where's there's life, there's always hope. Never give up, honey.

92 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 10:59:10am

re: #84 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

If I were Mendoza, I'd get out of the country. Chavez will come for that man, the logic of his propaganda campaign demands it. Chavez is less a socialist now and is instead a full-on Communist.

93 Targetpractice  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 10:59:46am

re: #82 Racer X

If they frighten easily, I'm guessing Myst?

Well, for your FPS folks, they'll be constantly looking for snipers, campers, zombies, and all other sort of hidden threats. The MMORPG folks will be outraged that nobody's heard of their guild and that nobody cares that they're lvl 70. The RTS folks will be unable to handle not having a God's-eye view of everything. And folks playing games like The Sims will be unable to handle English.

And universally, they'll all be unable to handle the fact that people don't respond to their "tags," that nobody cares how many achievements they've netted, and that there is no "fast forward" button to the real world.

94 Donna Ballard  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 10:59:47am

re: #65 Fozzie Bear

Not only is it a bad idea to tamper with the 1st amendment, it is a practical impossibility to enforce on a decentralized network such as the internet.

Yeah, you're right. I can dream can't I?

95 Four More Tears  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 11:00:58am

re: #93 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Well, for your FPS folks, they'll be constantly looking for snipers, campers, zombies, and all other sort of hidden threats. The MMORPG folks will be outraged that nobody's heard of their guild and that nobody cares that they're lvl 70. The RTS folks will be unable to handle not having a God's-eye view of everything. And folks playing games like The Sims will be unable to handle English.

And universally, they'll all be unable to handle the fact that people don't respond to their "tags," that nobody cares how many achievements they've netted, and that there is no "fast forward" button to the real world.

Oh what I wouldn't do for a "save game" feature...

96 Kragar  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 11:01:26am

re: #95 JasonA

Oh what I wouldn't do for a "save game" feature...

Cheatcodes would be nice

97 Targetpractice  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 11:01:53am

re: #95 JasonA

Oh what I wouldn't do for a "save game" feature...

Oh yeah, forgot, the RPG crowd will be looking around going "Where are the save points? And why can't I see my stats?!"

98 Four More Tears  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 11:02:11am

re: #96 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Cheatcodes would be nice

Mmmm "god mode." I could be like the guy in the Dos Equis commercials.

99 Digital Display  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 11:02:34am

re: #83 Fozzie Bear

There are numerous published exploits to SSL. It just isn't the fortress it is advertised as.

Hi Bear..Was discussing 802.1x Cisco Port security not SSL..
The Key issued also depends on time.. Just like Einstein said..
If I only allow a PVK key to be issued by a CA server with 5ms time in a secure channel...Then no other keys in the world matters to unencrypt a stream

100 Four More Tears  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 11:03:45am

re: #97 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Oh yeah, forgot, the RPG crowd will be looking around going "Where are the save points? And why can't I see my stats?!"

Tekken fans will be trying to figure out how combos work in the real world.

101 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 11:05:29am

re: #99 HoosierHoops

Hi Bear..Was discussing 802.1x Cisco Port security not SSL..
The Key issued also depends on time.. Just like Einstein said..
If I only allow a PVK key to be issued by a CA server with 5ms time in a secure channel...Then no other keys in the world matters to unencrypt a stream

... except in the case of a MiM attack.

There is no such thing as a secure protocol. There are just ways to discourage amateurs.

102 What, me worry?  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 11:05:32am

Is there a Kill Switch to cuff off the right wingnut and stalker blogs??

bbwwwwhhhaaaaahhhaaaaaaa

103 MrSilverDragon  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 11:07:05am

re: #97 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Oh yeah, forgot, the RPG crowd will be looking around going "Where are the save points? And why can't I see my stats?!"

Don't forget the group of people looking completely confused and asking, "Does anyone know where the chest is that has the key to this door? Is there a hidden room I need to go to?"

Followed closely by, "OMFG STFU n00b!"

104 CuriousLurker  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 11:07:27am

re: #39 Dragon_Lady

Between Google and calculators its amazing anyone can do anything right... You know my Dad told me that he's actually having to practice hand writing on paper because he's started to loose the ability to write!

I can't even count how many times I've been writing or drawing something and wanted to change it, then had to hesitate for a couple of seconds until my brain processed the fact that Crtl + Z doesn't work on paper.

105 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 11:08:20am

re: #21 aurelius

lots of the wingnut blogs are screaming upset about this:

[Link: www.dailykos.com...]

hopefully it's another false outrage.

will have to dig deeper to understand this.

No, it's not a false outrage.

It's a real outrage.

Fuckers.

However, blaming the Obama administration would be stretch.

I do, however, feel a little crabby about the role of the Jewish COmmunity Relations Council, who told local activists it was not big deal.

106 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 11:08:55am

re: #25 Killgore Trout

I saw mention earlier today that it was actually a Chinese ship that the protesters mistook for an Israeli ship. I'm not sure how true that is.

The Zim Shenzhen. Flying a British flag, but owned by an Israeli company.

107 Kragar  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 11:09:17am

re: #103 MrSilverDragon

Don't forget the group of people looking completely confused and asking, "Does anyone know where the chest is that has the key to this door? Is there a hidden room I need to go to?"

Followed closely by, "OMFG STFU n00b!"

Does anyone have a raid build for a level 70 job interview?

108 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 11:11:10am

re: #56 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Oh, and a word of warning. If the Internet should ever go down and you see dozens of pale, misshapen creatures that vaguely resemble humans walking the streets, do not be alarmed. They are not zombies, but gamers who are venturing out in the world for the first time. Be careful not to spook them, for their frighten easily.

The blond one in his mid-thirties is my husband. Offer him some bacon and he will be your friend.

109 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 11:12:06am
When the wingnut blogs all begin screaming in unison about yet another outrageous outrage, my default assumptions are that they’re: 1) ludicrously mistaken, 2) hallucinating, or 3) lying outright.

So in other words they're tipping, flipping or ripping?

110 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 11:12:40am

re: #86 Racer X

After killing zombies and battling roving car thiefs and warriors, you would think real life would be cake.

The problem is that when you take damage, it hurts, and when you die, you don't go back to your origin point and reanimate.

111 What, me worry?  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 11:12:45am

re: #105 SanFranciscoZionist

No, it's not a false outrage.

It's a real outrage.

Fuckers.

However, blaming the Obama administration would be stretch.

I do, however, feel a little crabby about the role of the Jewish COmmunity Relations Council, who told local activists it was not big deal.

You want real outrage? Where were the rightwing nut bags when George Bush was listening in on private conversations? You could hear a pin drop. And that actually fucking happened! Not some stupid rumor.

Whatever, bunch of freaking hypocrites.

112 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 11:16:16am

re: #111 marjoriemoon

You want real outrage? Where were the rightwing nut bags when George Bush was listening in on private conversations? You could hear a pin drop. And that actually fucking happened! Not some stupid rumor.

Whatever, bunch of freaking hypocrites.

Someone on this blog (not a regular), was honest enough to tell me that he wasn't worried about the dicier aspects of the Patriot Act under Bush, because he trusted Bush, but now that Obama was in office, it bothered him.

He was being absolutely honest. I appreciated that. But the idea that we have the rule of law because you can't change it depending on whether you trust the intentions of the guy who has any given job on any given Thursday didn't seem to have dawned on him.

113 CuriousLurker  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 11:16:59am

From the TPM article:

On the other hand, the Emergency Broadcast System, which requires that all television and radio stations interrupt their programming with a loud buzzing noise and carry the emergency message from the government might become a thing of the past if owners and operators could find better (and less disruptive) ways to alert Americans that there is an emergency.

I wonder if they're considering using the internet as a warning system. Of course, not everyone has internet access, but not everyone has a TV either (or if they have one, it's not always on).

Which leads to my next thought: How long would it be before someone hacked the system and created mass hysteria with a "War of the Worlds" type broadcast?

114 jerk  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 11:17:34am

Yes, they had it wrong. The killswitch is exclusively in Al Gore's hands. He invented it, so he is the only one with the capacity to end it.

115 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 11:18:01am

re: #111 marjoriemoon

You want real outrage? Where were the rightwing nut bags when George Bush was listening in on private conversations? You could hear a pin drop. And that actually fucking happened! Not some stupid rumor.

Whatever, bunch of freaking hypocrites.

And where is the left wing outrage now...

"The First Amendment protects radical opinions, but we need the legal tools to do things like monitor the recruitment of terrorists via the Internet," Janet Napolitano told a gathering of the American Constitution Society for Law and Policy.

This is not make believe.

116 aurelius  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 11:18:21am

re: #111 marjoriemoon

exactly. and somehow they've kept Obama from changing the rules. Not sure how but nothing has changed. Now its Obama listening in on my phone calls with my mother.

Wingnuts still control things one way or another, obviously, even with no contorl over house, senate, or presidency.

117 Digital Display  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 11:19:59am

re: #101 Fozzie Bear

... except in the case of a MiM attack.

There is no such thing as a secure protocol. There are just ways to discourage amateurs.

Well not true..But I hear what you are saying..Because a network must have an external interface.. In theory if you wanted to lock yourself in a closet and hide away from the world you could just run port 443 for security..
/

118 What, me worry?  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 11:21:01am

It's so crazy... there we were, just a few months into the Obama presidency, and all the teabaggers start to organize because of how much they hated "the government" and couldn't trust them. Too much money was being spent on bad programs, but Obama was BARELY president, so where were these bozos just a few months prior? Nowhere. Bush was God.

And Obama was the Black Anti-Christ. Period, end of story.

It's beyond hypocrisy.

119 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 11:21:20am

re: #113 CuriousLurker

From the TPM article:

I wonder if they're considering using the internet as a warning system. Of course, not everyone has internet access, but not everyone has a TV either (or if they have one, it's not always on).

Which leads to my next thought: How long would it be before someone hacked the system and created mass hysteria with a "War of the Worlds" type broadcast?

It's not a bad thing to add to warning systems already in place. I know there are a number of emergency-warning cellphone apps and the like.

Of course, I keep a radio handy, because around here, 'emergency' probably means 'big earthquake', and the power tends to go out.

120 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 11:21:40am

re: #114 jerk

Yes, they had it wrong. The killswitch is exclusively in Al Gore's hands. He invented it, so he is the only one with the capacity to end it.

"I brought you into this world, and I can take you out of it."

121 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 11:22:00am

Notice Wired has nothing on this. Very telling.

122 Digital Display  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 11:24:00am

re: #121 Rightwingconspirator

Notice Wired has nothing on this. Very telling.

2 Million fans downtown for the Lakers Parade today?
We want..No we need pictures!
/

123 What, me worry?  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 11:24:45am

re: #115 Walter L. Newton

And where is the left wing outrage now...

"The First Amendment protects radical opinions, but we need the legal tools to do things like monitor the recruitment of terrorists via the Internet," Janet Napolitano told a gathering of the American Constitution Society for Law and Policy.

This is not make believe.

The Patriot Act allowed the President to listen in on private conversations. We were supposed to TRUST HIM that he wouldn't listen to someone like me who had no ties to terrorists or terrorist activities. MMM'kay. The Left wing WENT BONKERS over the Patriot Act, or don't you remember? It's law.

You don't think the left wing is equally outraged over Napolitano even if she's just speaking out her ass?

124 cliffster  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 11:24:45am

re: #117 HoosierHoops

Well not true..But I hear what you are saying..Because a network must have an external interface.. In theory if you wanted to lock yourself in a closet and hide away from the world you could just run port 443 for security..
/

I liked this contest this guy had before where he said it was impossible to get into a linux box. "I'll give $5,000 to anyone who can hack into this box", or something like this. After a couple of days, "ok no one could do it.. now I'm going to open up ssh, but you only get $4,000" and then, "now I'll open up smtp but it's down to $1,000" Yeah, genius, if you completely shut off all services, you can't hack the box. Same goes if you unplug the network cable. Way to go.

125 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 11:24:47am

re: #116 aurelius

exactly. and somehow they've kept Obama from changing the rules. Not sure how but nothing has changed. Now its Obama listening in on my phone calls with my mother.

Wingnuts still control things one way or another, obviously, even with no contorl over house, senate, or presidency.

I know... it is really freaky. The radical right have got Janet Napolitano making public statements about increased monitoring of the internet, the radical right managed to keep Guantanamo open, the radical right has somehow forced the administration to use state secrets to shield themselves from litigation, there's no prosecution for criminal acts of the Bush administration. Surveillance powers put in place under the Patriot Act have been renewed.

The radical right are the most devious cabal ever to appear on the face of this planet.

126 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 11:25:24am

re: #123 marjoriemoon

The Patriot Act allowed the President to listen in on private conversations. We were supposed to TRUST HIM that he wouldn't listen to someone like me who had no ties to terrorists or terrorist activities. MMM'kay. The Left wing WENT BONKERS over the Patriot Act, or don't you remember? It's law.

You don't think the left wing is equally outraged over Napolitano even if she's just speaking out her ass?

Link to the outrage?

127 What, me worry?  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 11:26:00am

re: #116 aurelius

exactly. and somehow they've kept Obama from changing the rules. Not sure how but nothing has changed. Now its Obama listening in on my phone calls with my mother.

Wingnuts still control things one way or another, obviously, even with no contorl over house, senate, or presidency.

My understanding, this was a "gimmee" to the Right. IOW, it's his way of practicing bipartisanship. But it's wrong and the libs were/are not happy about it.

128 CuriousLurker  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 11:29:40am

re: #119 SanFranciscoZionist

It's not a bad thing to add to warning systems already in place. I know there are a number of emergency-warning cellphone apps and the like.

Of course, I keep a radio handy, because around here, 'emergency' probably means 'big earthquake', and the power tends to go out.

I agree, multiple warning systems would be a good thing. I had no idea there were cell phone apps for that. I don't even have a radio... I guess I really should get one.

129 aurelius  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 11:31:16am

re: #125 Walter L. Newton


Right, it's like the anti-wingnut forces change once they get into power. It's like they learn something, like some kind of secret society code membership. No other rational explanation.


Brother Obama is now a charter member.

130 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 11:31:50am

re: #125 Walter L. Newton

I know... it is really freaky. The radical right have got Janet Napolitano making public statements about increased monitoring of the internet, the radical right managed to keep Guantanamo open, the radical right has somehow forced the administration to use state secrets to shield themselves from litigation, there's no prosecution for criminal acts of the Bush administration. Surveillance powers put in place under the Patriot Act have been renewed.

The radical right are the most devious cabal ever to appear on the face of this planet.

Way to miss the point. The issue is that the people now crying and screaming about Napolitano were just fine with such sweeping government powers UNDER A REPUBLICAN ADMINISTRATION. Now they're mad as hell, and not going to take it any more.

131 aurelius  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 11:32:25am

re: #127 marjoriemoon

so odd though.. it's the one thing that most outrages his base-- so why pick that as his gimmeee to the right?

132 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 11:32:50am

re: #111 marjoriemoon

You want real outrage? Where were the rightwing nut bags when George Bush was listening in on private conversations? You could hear a pin drop. And that actually fucking happened! Not some stupid rumor.

Whatever, bunch of freaking hypocrites.

It never bothered me. Still doesn't. This didn't get me nervous either. But I tend to accept expansive ideas of the president's anti-terror policies, so there it is.

133 What, me worry?  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 11:32:59am

re: #126 Walter L. Newton

Link to the outrage?

You want me to do your homework for you, but you don't even post a link to what you just said?

I'll get right on that.

134 What, me worry?  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 11:34:08am

re: #131 aurelius

so odd though.. it's the one thing that most outrages his base-- so why pick that as his gimmeee to the right?

I don't know. You're right really, but that was always my impression.

135 cliffster  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 11:34:29am

re: #130 SanFranciscoZionist

Actually, that has not been my experience. The people I've seen are pretty consistently either for or against it. I'm sure you can link to plenty of hypocrites on the topic; if you do then congratulations on doing the easiest possible thing in the world. But in the real world, people hated it the whole time.

136 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 11:34:55am

re: #130 SanFranciscoZionist

Way to miss the point. The issue is that the people now crying and screaming about Napolitano were just fine with such sweeping government powers UNDER A REPUBLICAN ADMINISTRATION. Now they're mad as hell, and not going to take it any more.

You miss the point... the people who were NOT FINE WITH SUCH SWEEPING GOVERNMENT POWERS UNDER A REPUBLICAN ADMINISTRATION are now basically mum when Janet and show are doing it.

137 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 11:36:38am

re: #133 marjoriemoon

You want me to do your homework for you, but you don't even post a link to what you just said?

I'll get right on that.

Here crybaby...

[Link: www.kansascity.com...]

138 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 11:37:36am

re: #131 aurelius

so odd though.. it's the one thing that most outrages his base-- so why pick that as his gimmeee to the right?

Base? I don't know about that.

139 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 11:37:37am

re: #130 SanFranciscoZionist

Way to miss the point. The issue is that the people now crying and screaming about Napolitano were just fine with such sweeping government powers UNDER A REPUBLICAN ADMINISTRATION. Now they're mad as hell, and not going to take it any more.

And by the way... I have never had any problems with the security measures put into place by the GOP or the progressives.

140 What, me worry?  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 11:38:23am

re: #137 Walter L. Newton

Here crybaby...

[Link: www.kansascity.com...]

Call me names? Screw off, Walter. You can fight with someone else.

141 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 11:38:50am

re: #136 Walter L. Newton

You miss the point... the people who were NOT FINE WITH SUCH SWEEPING GOVERNMENT POWERS UNDER A REPUBLICAN ADMINISTRATION are now basically mum when Janet and show are doing it.

Sure, hypocrisy is a game for the whole family and both sides of the aisle.

142 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 11:42:22am

re: #140 marjoriemoon

Call me names? Screw off, Walter. You can fight with someone else.

Yawn. You were the one whining about my statement and I asked you for links and you went all schoolyard on me "You want me to do your homework for you, but you don't even post a link to what you just said?"... still no link from you on the outrage of the left because of Janets recent comments?

143 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 11:42:42am

re: #140 marjoriemoon

Call me names? Screw off, Walter. You can fight with someone else.

I'm sorry.

144 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 11:47:08am

re: #122 HoosierHoops

Sorry stuck at my day job!!!
Damn. Grumble (&&%#0)

145 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 11:47:14am

re: #126 Walter L. Newton

Link to the outrage?

Search Indymedia, and you'll get a brisk view of what the leftnuts think about Napolitano and DHS under Obama.

146 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 11:48:12am

re: #139 Walter L. Newton

And by the way... I have never had any problems with the security measures put into place by the GOP or the progressives.

There are no progressives in the Federal government, except poor old Bernie Sanders, but that's nice.

147 aurelius  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 11:49:58am

re: #146 SanFranciscoZionist

true, true.

is kucinich still kickin around? He was close....

148 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 11:50:36am

re: #147 aurelius

true, true.

is kucinich still kickin around? He was close...

I don't know what he's doing these days.

149 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 11:51:21am

re: #145 SanFranciscoZionist

Search Indymedia, and you'll get a brisk view of what the leftnuts think about Napolitano and DHS under Obama.

No... I want links to mainstream Democrat's... where is the outrage with the moderate, everyday lefty? They were the ones making all the noise about the GOP during the 8 years of Bush. The MSM and every left blog... come on SFZ... or are you claiming Indymedia represents the left all round?

150 cliffster  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 11:55:09am

re: #149 Walter L. Newton

No... I want links to mainstream Democrat's... where is the outrage with the moderate, everyday lefty? They were the ones making all the noise about the GOP during the 8 years of Bush. The MSM and every left blog... come on SFZ... or are you claiming Indymedia represents the left all round?

Indeed they were. And now, indeed they are not. The hypocrisy is pretty mind-numbing but I'm sure it's Glenn Beck's fault somehow.

I really don't understand how anyone is ok with it under any administration. This Bill of Rights thing was actually a pretty good idea. We should keep going with that.

151 pharmmajor  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 11:56:21am

Okay, I was mistaken, and I apologize.

152 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 11:56:58am

re: #149 Walter L. Newton

Ot
Walter, did you receive an email from me yesterday?

153 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 11:58:25am

re: #147 aurelius

true, true.

is kucinich still kickin around? He was close...

Yes, he's still in Congress.

154 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 12:08:42pm

re: #152 Rightwingconspirator

Ot
Walter, did you receive an email from me yesterday?

Yes... I saw your offer... I'm going to save it for around Xmas time (if you don't mind)... I know someone here would enjoy one of those pictures...

155 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 12:09:26pm

re: #154 Walter L. Newton

Of course. Xmas it is.

156 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 12:11:47pm

re: #150 cliffster

Indeed they were. And now, indeed they are not. The hypocrisy is pretty mind-numbing but I'm sure it's Glenn Beck's fault somehow.

I really don't understand how anyone is ok with it under any administration. This Bill of Rights thing was actually a pretty good idea. We should keep going with that.

That's why... for plain fun and games, for comedy served up with a big dose of hypocrisy, Washington, all the politicians there, and all the partisan followers out in the hinterland... no where is it done better than here.

I love the show... and so many people take this seriously.

157 joest73  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 2:23:03pm

re: #150 cliffster

Indeed they were. And now, indeed they are not. The hypocrisy is pretty mind-numbing but I'm sure it's Glenn Beck's fault somehow.

I really don't understand how anyone is ok with it under any administration. This Bill of Rights thing was actually a pretty good idea. We should keep going with that.

Net-Neutrality is another one of those ideas that is better off not implemented. Every argument that I make to people that I know that want the FCC to implement "net-neutrality" didn't trust the FCC just a few years ago during the Bush administration.

The "kill switch" may be a false "outrage" mostly on the right but at some point there must be some truth to the concern that many people have with this administration and congress.


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BBC Radio 4 - Seriously… - Seriously… - 10 Women Who Changed Sci-Fi 10 Women Who Changed Sci-Fi As the Radio 4 documentary Herland examines how science fiction tackles ideas of gender in future worlds, we present a selection of great female authors who have radically altered the genre... Mary Shelley Credited ...
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Housing Vouchers Would Change the Face of Poverty - Vice VICE: What should every renter understand about their rights?Matthew Desmond: Rights vary from city to city, so getting to know your rights is a matter of knowing where you live, as they can actually be very fair. For example, ...
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Craig Finn - ‘Be Honest’ (Live at WFUV)wfuv.org • Follow @wfuv: ow.ly Craig Finn performs "Be Honest" live in Studio A. Recorded 2.21.17. Host: Eric HollandAudio: Jim O'HaraCameras: Sabrina Sitton, Michael Sperling, Kevin O'Malley & Alexandra ReillyEditor: Kevin O'Malley & Sarah Burns
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Marvel’s Cloak and Dagger - Official Trailer Get your first look at the upcoming Freeform TV series about the two young Marvel heroes, starring Olivia Holt as Dagger and Aubrey Joseph as Cloak. Watch more trailers here! Check out the latest and greatest from IGN here! ...
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Twenty One Pilots: Heavydirtysoul [OFFICIAL VIDEO] twenty one pilots' music video for 'Heavydirtysoul' from the album, Blurryface - available now on Fueled By Ramen. Get it on… iTunes: smarturl.itGoogle Play: smarturl.itAmazon: smarturl.itSpotify: smarturl.itWebstore: bit.ly find twenty one pilots on… Site: twentyonepilots.comFacebook: facebook.comInstagram: instagr.amTwitter: @twentyonepilotsYouTube: youtube.comTumblr: ...
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