Here’s Nevada Tea Party candidate Sharron Angle, saying that the unemployed are “spoiled.”
The GOP sure is raising up quite a crop of canny politicians this year.
(Hat tip: philosophus invidius.)
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Four More Tears Mon, Jun 21, 2010 12:41:28pm |
The Right had a damn good shot at Reid this year. I predict they will snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
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Kragar Mon, Jun 21, 2010 12:43:00pm |
Given her current track record, I predict we’ll be getting her “fuck the minorities” speech about the second week of July.
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darthstar Mon, Jun 21, 2010 12:44:18pm |
And another teabagger is on track to win the primary in Colorado.
“John Cornyn and the NRSC keep saying they are staying out of primaries, but keep getting involved,” said Erick Erickson, founder of the influential conservative blog Redstate.com. “The NRSC’s integrity is on the level of Arlen Specter and Charlie Crist, both of whom the NRSC supported with Norton.”
Of course, Erick Son of Erick would be the perfect person to ask about integrity.
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darthstar Mon, Jun 21, 2010 12:46:14pm |
Unemployment pays more than a regular job? Obviously, she’s never had to survive on unemployment.
“That’s not my job” she says? (with regard to bringing jobs to her state)…this woman is writing Harry Reid’s campaign commercials for him.
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greygandalf Mon, Jun 21, 2010 12:46:31pm |
wow, Sharron Angle sounds more extreme then Rand Paul.
“Its not my job to create jobs” I wonder what she thinks her job is then.
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Four More Tears Mon, Jun 21, 2010 12:46:33pm |
re: #2 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Given her current track record, I predict we’ll be getting her “fuck the minorities” speech about the second week of July.
They need to do something about all those damn tourists, too…
/
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webevintage Mon, Jun 21, 2010 12:47:32pm |
Wow.
Spoiled?
What a heartless bitch.
I wonder if she was unemployed if she would head on down and take that “honest” job at WalMat or Mickey D’s?
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lawhawk Mon, Jun 21, 2010 12:47:37pm |
re: #4 darthstar
If this is the best that the GOP can come up with in NV to run against Reid, it’s no wonder that NV is in the shape that it is in. *facepalm*
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darthstar Mon, Jun 21, 2010 12:47:45pm |
re: #5 greygandalf
wow, Sharron Angle sounds more extreme then Rand Paul.
“Its not my job to create jobs” I wonder what she thinks her job is then.
And at the rate she’s going, it won’t be her job after November.
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jamesfirecat Mon, Jun 21, 2010 12:48:19pm |
Somebody help me do some math.
Federal Minimum wage is $7.25 (I know varies from state to state but lets use it as an average)
7.25 * 8 Hours a day, * 20 at least days in your average work month= $1160 a month. Minus taxes.
Can someone tell me how much people get for unemployment these days?
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Shiplord Kirel Mon, Jun 21, 2010 12:48:55pm |
They’re not spoiled, Sharron, they’ve just been brainwashed with fluoridated water.
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darthstar Mon, Jun 21, 2010 12:49:00pm |
re: #8 lawhawk
If this is the best that the GOP can come up with in NV to run against Reid, it’s no wonder that NV is in the shape that it is in. *facepalm*
I just can’t wait for her to get frustrated in front of the cameras and ingore her handlers…her flounce will be memorable, to say the least.
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jamesfirecat Mon, Jun 21, 2010 12:50:00pm |
re: #2 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Given her current track record, I predict we’ll be getting her “fuck the minorities” speech about the second week of July.
Leader of Senate: All fellow members of the Roman senate hear me. Shall we continue to build palace after palace for the rich? Or shall we aspire to a more noble purpose and build decent housing for the poor? How does the senate vote?
Entire Senate: FUCK THE POOR!
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webevintage Mon, Jun 21, 2010 12:50:00pm |
re: #4 darthstar
“That’s not my job” she says? (with regard to bringing jobs to her state)…this woman is writing Harry Reid’s campaign commercials for him.
Maybe not on paper but THAT is exactly the job people expect their Senator to do, that’s how you keep getting elected. You can be a POS, but if you can bring jobs and “pork” how the people will keep electing you.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Jun 21, 2010 12:50:01pm |
re: #1 JasonA
The Right had a damn good shot at Reid this year. I predict they will snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
Yeah, I can’t imagine her beating him.
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Charles Johnson Mon, Jun 21, 2010 12:50:02pm |
Note that this video is posted by the Reid campaign. They couldn’t have asked for a better GOP candidate to run against.
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Four More Tears Mon, Jun 21, 2010 12:50:36pm |
re: #10 jamesfirecat
Somebody help me do some math.
Federal Minimum wage is $7.25 (I know varies from state to state but lets use it as an average)
7.25 * 8 Hours a day, * 20 at least days in your average work month= $1160 a month. Minus taxes.
Can someone tell me how much people get for unemployment these days?
Depends on how much you made in your previous job, but up to a certain cap. That used to be a hair over $400 a week here in NY, but that was 5 years ago.
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Sol Berdinowitz Mon, Jun 21, 2010 12:51:01pm |
re: #10 jamesfirecat
Somebody help me do some math.
Federal Minimum wage is $7.25 (I know varies from state to state but lets use it as an average)
7.25 * 8 Hours a day, * 20 at least days in your average work month= $1160 a month. Minus taxes.
Can someone tell me how much people get for unemployment these days?
Deduct healt care insurance (most of those jobs have no bennies), deduct child care if you have kids at home and the cost of commuting and you often find yourself at about the same level and you still get to sit home and watch Oprah.
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webevintage Mon, Jun 21, 2010 12:51:14pm |
re: #10 jamesfirecat
Can someone tell me how much people get for unemployment these days?
Well it depends on how much you were making at the job you lost.
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pharmmajor Mon, Jun 21, 2010 12:51:51pm |
I’m unemployed, desperately looking for a job, and I am far from “spoiled” or reliant on handouts. So Sharon Angle can go fuck herself for her comments.
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jamesfirecat Mon, Jun 21, 2010 12:52:09pm |
re: #16 Charles
Note that this video is posted by the Reid campaign. They couldn’t have asked for a better GOP candidate to run against.
What about that black guy who lives in his mother’s basement and is being brought up on showing charges of porn to a minor?
Ladies and gentlemen I do declare you say that there can not be a worse candidate but I proudly declare we democrats WILL find a worse candidate, YES WE CAN!
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darthstar Mon, Jun 21, 2010 12:52:26pm |
re: #10 jamesfirecat
Somebody help me do some math.
Federal Minimum wage is $7.25 (I know varies from state to state but lets use it as an average)
7.25 * 8 Hours a day, * 20 at least days in your average work month= $1160 a month. Minus taxes.
Can someone tell me how much people get for unemployment these days?
From eHow.com:
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Step 1Figure out your base period for calculating unemployment. For instance, if you start your claim in November of 2008, the base period you would use is July 1, 2007 to June 30, 2008. The highest quarter during this base period is used to calculate how much you have earned. The earnings are only for work preformed for an employer that pays unemployment insurance.
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Step 2Look at the base period where you received the highest pay. This is the base period that is used to calculate your potential unemployment benefits.
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Step 3Calculate the highest quarter earnings with a calculator. You will receive four percent of the total wages in the highest quarter. The maximum weekly benefit rate requires earnings of $8,875.00 for a weekly check of $355.00. The minimum weekly benefit rate requires $1,325.00 for a weekly check of $53.00.
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Step 4Calculate what your weekly benefits would be if you have another job. Take your weekly gross income and subtract $30.00. Multiply the balance by 67 percent. Take the total WBR and subtract that total to get the amount you will receive for partial unemployment benefits for that week.
Example:
Weekly Benefit Rate is $335 Gross income is $275
1. Gross income $275 - $30 = $245
2. $245 X .67 = $164.15
3. $335 WBR - $164.15 = $170.85
4. Round $170.85 down to $170Read more: How to Calculate Unemployment | eHow.com ehow.com
$355 a week…that’s a fuckin’ fortune!!!///
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albusteve Mon, Jun 21, 2010 12:52:38pm |
re: #15 Killgore Trout
Yeah, I can’t imagine her beating him.
why not?…he constituents don’t give a rats ass what she says
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jamesfirecat Mon, Jun 21, 2010 12:52:59pm |
re: #18 ralphieboy
Deduct healt care insurance (most of those jobs have no bennies), deduct child care if you have kids at home and the cost of commuting and you often find yourself at about the same level and you still get to sit home and watch Oprah.
Fair enough, but on the other hand unemployment is normally only for what, three months, six months? Even if you do spend your time looking for a job all the while?
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Killgore Trout Mon, Jun 21, 2010 12:53:22pm |
re: #10 jamesfirecat
Somebody help me do some math.
Federal Minimum wage is $7.25 (I know varies from state to state but lets use it as an average)
7.25 * 8 Hours a day, * 20 at least days in your average work month= $1160 a month. Minus taxes.
Can someone tell me how much people get for unemployment these days?
How much jobless pay would you get?
Could you live on less than $300 a week? The average unemployment check in the U.S. is $293.Below you’ll find a state-by-state list of maximum weekly benefits.
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greygandalf Mon, Jun 21, 2010 12:53:45pm |
Unemployment is a net good i think. However, there are plenty of people that reject jobs because it is only a a bit more then unemployment or something along those lines. I don’t know the solution there.
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KingKenrod Mon, Jun 21, 2010 12:54:14pm |
Nevada has the highest unemployment rate in the country.
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Four More Tears Mon, Jun 21, 2010 12:54:16pm |
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darthstar Mon, Jun 21, 2010 12:54:56pm |
re: #26 greygandalf
Unemployment is a net good i think. However, there are plenty of people that reject jobs because it is only a a bit more then unemployment or something along those lines. I don’t know the solution there.
There are plenty of people who skip meals every day in this country because food is too expensive, too. Are they saying they’re too good for food?
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Kragar Mon, Jun 21, 2010 12:55:01pm |
re: #27 KingKenrod
Nevada has the highest unemployment rate in the country.
And its all because Obama told people to stop going to Vegas.
/
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KingKenrod Mon, Jun 21, 2010 12:56:39pm |
re: #26 greygandalf
Unemployment is a net good i think. However, there are plenty of people that reject jobs because it is only a a bit more then unemployment or something along those lines. I don’t know the solution there.
The solution is that unemployment support eventually runs out. Someone unemployed for a unusually long stretch of time probably needs to re-train and shoot lower. Of course Congress can extend benefits during tough times, as they are doing now.
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Decatur Deb Mon, Jun 21, 2010 12:56:40pm |
re: #26 greygandalf
Unemployment is a net good i think. However, there are plenty of people that reject jobs because it is only a a bit more then unemployment or something along those lines. I don’t know the solution there.
A decent wage for working people.
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Nimed Mon, Jun 21, 2010 12:56:42pm |
re: #27 KingKenrod
Nevada has the highest unemployment rate in the country.
Wow. I thought that honor belonged to Michigan.
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Political Atheist Mon, Jun 21, 2010 12:57:32pm |
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avanti Mon, Jun 21, 2010 12:57:38pm |
re: #18 ralphieboy
Deduct healt care insurance (most of those jobs have no bennies), deduct child care if you have kids at home and the cost of commuting and you often find yourself at about the same level and you still get to sit home and watch Oprah.
I was laid off a 40K/year job about 20 years ago and I think I would have received about $150/week. I foolishly decided to start my own business rather then live like a spoiled prince on my buck and half. I agree that skilled workers might pass up a job flipping hamburgers and try and live on unemployment while looking, but not many sit home watching Oprah.
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greygandalf Mon, Jun 21, 2010 12:58:35pm |
re: #29 darthstar
There are plenty of people who skip meals every day in this country because food is too expensive, too. Are they saying they’re too good for food?
I guess your solution is food stamps forever and ever. There should be a program to help the person get off food stamps.
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EdDantes Mon, Jun 21, 2010 12:59:04pm |
What are “one of those jobs” she mentions at the beginning?
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Mon, Jun 21, 2010 12:59:05pm |
I wonder exactly when the average American nitwit in the tea bag orientation realizes that the Tea-bag leadership that is supposed to be on their side, actually holds them in the deepest contempt. The sad thing is that they likely won’t ever get that message.
If this were someone else’s country, I would laugh at the obvious Darwin award implications of it. Unfortunately, it is not another nation - and in this nation, being an utter moron who is batshit crazy and in possession of a barely functioning 8th grade education, does not preclude one from voting.
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reine.de.tout Mon, Jun 21, 2010 12:59:10pm |
re: #25 Killgore Trout
Barely covers the cost of a health insurance premium.
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webevintage Mon, Jun 21, 2010 12:59:49pm |
You know I’m sure that someone used to making a decent salary might wait until their unemployment is almost used up to take that job as a cart pusher at Target.
That is if Target is hiring.
That does not mean they are spoiled.
It means they are smart as their time would be better spent sreaching for a better job, networking and stuff like that.
Unemployment, food stamps and such help keep people in their homes and fed. It also keeps these people as consumers and we want people to keep buying stuff.
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Four More Tears Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:00:33pm |
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Targetpractice Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:01:10pm |
The fuck did this woman call me? “Spoiled”? When’s the last time this woman had to go from business to business, getting told to her face “don’t bother” when asking for an application because most businesses can barely afford to keep the skeleton crews they already have? Or spent hours hunting through want ads and online listings to find out that most of the jobs that are hiring require experience or education that she lacks? Or had to decide which is more important: Keeping the lights on or food on the table?
“Spoiled,” my ass. I’d gladly trade places with her in a minute if she thinks that the unemployed have it so good.
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SteveC Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:01:11pm |
re: #7 webevintage
I wonder if she was unemployed if she would head on down and take that “honest” job at WalMat or Mickey D’s?
I have a feeling she will be able to answer that question after the Midterms.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:01:33pm |
re: #9 darthstar
And at the rate she’s going, it won’t be her job after November.
I think she might not actually want to win. If she wins, she’ll have to actually compromise with other Senators, at least within the GOP. But with a gallant failure, she can rail against the ‘entrenched interests’ and keep talking about how we need to ‘take our country back’. She’s a rebel who wants to keep being a rebel. For such people, to actually win the fight would be a nightmare.
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OldnGrumpy Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:02:40pm |
Yeah,I’m f***ing spoiled,no money.no food and may go to prison because I can’t pay child support.
Life is just freeking peachy.
It doesn’t get any better than this.
Feh!
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Decatur Deb Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:02:47pm |
Unemployment is not a handout—it is an insurance payout. Your employer counts the premium as part of your compensation package when you are working. People earn their freakin unemployment.
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lawhawk Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:03:00pm |
re: #38 LudwigVanQuixote
Sadly, most voters don’t realize that most politicians hold them in contempt - and it doesn’t matter what party we’re talking about. The politicians have an entitlement complex and that the voters are there for them, rather than the other way around. Voter apathy also plays into that, and that even with corrupt politicians you get constituents who think that they’re doing a good job so should keep getting reelected.
The messages being sent by politicians is generally to see that they get 1) elected; 2) reelected; and 3) rinse and repeat. Message testing consists of what will play well so that they get reelected.
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SteveC Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:03:32pm |
re: #30 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
And its all because Obama told people to stop going to Vegas.
/
Hey baby, let’s go to Vegas
Kiss the single life good-bye
Hey baby, let’s go to Vegas
Bet on love and let it ride! - Faith Hill
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Kragar Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:03:50pm |
re: #49 Decatur Deb
Unemployment is not a handout—it is an insurance payout. Your employer counts the premium as part of your compensation package when you are working. People earn their freakin unemployment.
Parasites actually filing for the benefits they’ve paid into.
/
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Four More Tears Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:04:05pm |
I’m reminded of this classic Craig T. Nelson clip.
“I’ve been on Food Stamps and Welfare. Anyone help me out? No.”
*super facepalm*
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Kragar Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:04:51pm |
re: #51 SteveC
Hey baby, let’s go to Vegas
Kiss the single life good-bye
Hey baby, let’s go to Vegas
Bet on love and let it ride! - Faith Hill
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:05:12pm |
re: #1 JasonA
The Right had a damn good shot at Reid this year. I predict they will snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
This is gonna be one hell of an election. I am laying in Kettle Korn and beer.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:06:07pm |
re: #27 KingKenrod
Nevada has the highest unemployment rate in the country.
Exactly. That’s why I’m starting to think she doesn’t want to win. This statement is utter insanity otherwise. Ron and Rand Paul have more sense than to say this.
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Four More Tears Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:06:10pm |
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Kragar Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:06:21pm |
re: #55 SanFranciscoZionist
This is gonna be one hell of an election. I am laying in Kettle Korn and beer.
Planning to barricade myself in a mall and wait it out.
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Four More Tears Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:06:46pm |
re: #56 Dark_Falcon
Ron and Rand Paul have more sense than to say this.
Now there’s a sentence I never imagined seeing…
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Political Atheist Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:06:52pm |
I am really glad Dragon_Lady is not here right now. OMG the posts would be smokin~ Out of work way too long, in a biz with unemployment at 33% or maybe 50%
May as well be an actor…
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Vicious Babushka Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:08:00pm |
re: #31 KingKenrod
The solution is that unemployment support eventually runs out. Someone unemployed for a unusually long stretch of time probably needs to re-train and shoot lower. Of course Congress can extend benefits during tough times, as they are doing now.
Yes, especially those unemployed people over 60.
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Batman Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:09:21pm |
Sorry, but I didn’t hear anything that every conservative in the country hasn’t been saying repeatedly since at least Reagan. This isn’t a fringe statement from a Tea Party mindset; it’s core conservatism. I’m glad it means the sane conservatives are becoming more aware and more centrist, though.
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darthstar Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:09:25pm |
re: #35 avanti
I was laid off a 40K/year job about 20 years ago and I think I would have received about $150/week. I foolishly decided to start my own business rather then live like a spoiled prince on my buck and half. I agree that skilled workers might pass up a job flipping hamburgers and try and live on unemployment while looking, but not many sit home watching Oprah.
So $7200 a year isn’t good enough for you? That pays for a lot of time watching Oprah and Dr. Phil (who would rather you sat on the couch listening to him give you folksy reasons why you shouldn’t be sitting there than actually have you go out and find a job).
/
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OldnGrumpy Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:09:50pm |
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greygandalf Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:09:52pm |
re: #56 Dark_Falcon
Ron and Rand Paul have more sense than to say this.
Now that Ron and Rand are main streaming you better believe more extreme candidates will come to exist.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:10:08pm |
The GOP sure is raising up quite a crop of canny politicians this year.
And it’s going to get them elected… pay attention to the mood of the country. Wrong or right… this is what happens when when the kleptocrats and plutocrats are allowed as much freedom to plunder and rape this country as they have been doing. Yes, this sort of political theft has been going on since the beginning of time, but, it has now become a majority, a tipping of power, something that can’t just be mitigated by the lonely few honest politicians left.
This is not crazy… it’s to be expected… it’s a normal reaction.
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EdDantes Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:10:25pm |
I was on food stamps for a few weeks in 1975 while I had a job.
I was on unemployment for two weeks in 1983 then I got a job.
Is there a problem with cheaters these days? I really don’t know. I would guess there are but I don’t know how pervasive they are.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:10:30pm |
re: #62 nonsense
Sorry, but I didn’t hear anything that every conservative in the country hasn’t been saying repeatedly since at least Reagan. This isn’t a fringe statement from a Tea Party mindset; it’s core conservatism. I’m glad it means the sane conservatives are becoming more aware and more centrist, though.
The mask slips.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:10:32pm |
re: #60 Rightwingconspirator
I am really glad Dragon_Lady is not here right now. OMG the posts would be smokin~ Out of work way too long, in a biz with unemployment at 33% or maybe 50%
May as well be an actor…
What did you mean by that? :)
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webevintage Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:10:52pm |
re: #60 Rightwingconspirator
I am really glad Dragon_Lady is not here right now. OMG the posts would be smokin~ Out of work way too long, in a biz with unemployment at 33% or maybe 50%
May as well be an actor…
How can that be?
Sharon says there are lots of “honest” jobs (read low paying, no benefits) out there for the spoiled unemployed in this country.
I mean how DARE you want a decent, well paying job?
/
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:11:33pm |
If I were the enlightened despot, I would make the following restrictions.
No voting if you:
1. Wear a mullet. Sorry, no excuses - none.
2. Call the Civil War the “War of Northern Aggression.”
3. Honestly believe that the universe is less than 6,000 years old. If you have some complicated interpretation of scripture that allows you to accept that we measure the the age of the universe in the billions of years, but reconcile it with scripture somehow, that is another matter. But f you honestly can not be swayed by any evidence, then you do not get to vote. Voting is an exercise of power of the collective destiny of our nation. It requires educated and prudent judgement that understands changing conditions.
4. Honestly believe that your opinion has the same merit or weight as scientific fact or that you are the equal of a scientist or a medical doctor in rendering judgement on such matters when you could barely pass algebra.
No excuse for that. Go whine to someone else. Government should be handled with humility, not the sort of arrogance that assumes that you are such a special snow-flake that your views have equal merit to all others in all cases.
5. Get so riled up that you have to protest, but then can not really articulate what you are protesting about. Exercising voting rights is an expression of power and a sacred duty - not the pass time of virulent sheep.
6. Just as we should not let paranoid schizophrenics vote - we should not let those who believe in Britherism or Deatherism or Trutherism vote. Those views when passionately held are prima facia evidence of mental illness. Government should be restricted from the insane.
Before people get riled about the elitism and condescending humor of my post. Please consider the following fact. Democracy fails if the citizens are not capable of making a democracy work. We have seen it fail in numerous other less developed places where we imposed democracy. We are seeing it fail now in our own nation. Western nations are not immune to having the corrupt and stupid members of their societies seize political control through ostensibly democratic means. Hitler, after all, was elected.
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OldnGrumpy Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:12:23pm |
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Four More Tears Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:12:34pm |
re: #72 LudwigVanQuixote
Hey. How are you doing, “Heir?” :P
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greygandalf Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:13:05pm |
re: #72 LudwigVanQuixote
If I were the enlightened despot, I would make the following restrictions.
7. Believe your single vote will actually make a difference.
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darthstar Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:13:09pm |
re: #36 greygandalf
I guess your solution is food stamps forever and ever. There should be a program to help the person get off food stamps.
Let me guess…when you see someone buying groceries with food stamps and they pull out a $20 bill to pay for the six pack of beer that they have added to their groceries, you immediately think they’re abusing the system. Maybe if we forced people on food-stamps to buy nothing but Cheerios and 2% milk the world would be a better place. Then again, maybe not.
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Decatur Deb Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:13:39pm |
re: #68 EdDantes
I was on food stamps for a few weeks in 1975 while I had a job.
I was on unemployment for two weeks in 1983 then I got a job.
Is there a problem with cheaters these days? I really don’t know. I would guess there are but I don’t know how pervasive they are.
That’s the way it’s supposed to work. Yes, there are always cheaters. There are always bank robbers, but we still build banks.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:13:43pm |
re: #71 webevintage
How can that be?
Sharon says there are lots of “honest” jobs (read low paying, no benefits) out there for the spoiled unemployed in this country.
I mean how DARE you want a decent, well paying job?
/
So someone who is spending months (many years) trying to find a “decent, well paying job” and has been actively and honestly looking… what should that person be doing in the meantime… before that job may come along?
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:13:52pm |
re: #50 lawhawk
Sadly, most voters don’t realize that most politicians hold them in contempt - and it doesn’t matter what party we’re talking about. The politicians have an entitlement complex and that the voters are there for them, rather than the other way around. Voter apathy also plays into that, and that even with corrupt politicians you get constituents who think that they’re doing a good job so should keep getting reelected.
The messages being sent by politicians is generally to see that they get 1) elected; 2) reelected; and 3) rinse and repeat. Message testing consists of what will play well so that they get reelected.
Well posted. Of course the voters who buy this shit are to blame ultimately for it. I am very serious when I say that voting is a grown up endeavor that requires due diligence. If you think and act like a child, you have no business exercising grown up rights.
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webevintage Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:14:10pm |
re: #68 EdDantes
I
Is there a problem with cheaters these days? I really don’t know. I would guess there are but I don’t know how pervasive they are.
There are always, always people who game the system…one bad apple and all that.
We all knew that welfare cheat with the caddy that Regan talked about…of course she really did not exist except in the mind of people who don’t want other people get “entitlements” they themselves are not getting.
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darthstar Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:14:12pm |
re: #65 greygandalf
Now that Ron and Rand are main streaming you better believe more extreme candidates will come to exist.
As long as they don’t become more extreme Senators and Congressmen. Have all the extreme candidates you want.
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Targetpractice Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:14:55pm |
re: #50 lawhawk
Sadly, most voters don’t realize that most politicians hold them in contempt - and it doesn’t matter what party we’re talking about. The politicians have an entitlement complex and that the voters are there for them, rather than the other way around. Voter apathy also plays into that, and that even with corrupt politicians you get constituents who think that they’re doing a good job so should keep getting reelected.
The messages being sent by politicians is generally to see that they get 1) elected; 2) reelected; and 3) rinse and repeat. Message testing consists of what will play well so that they get reelected.
And this is why I have supported and continue to support legislative term limits at every level of government. We have created, through our apathy and our blind support, government of professional politicians, of 535 elected royalty who believe themselves above their station above the unwashed masses who put them into office and pay their salaries. If it’s good enough to keep presidents from overstaying their welcome, then it’s good enough for Congress critters as well.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:15:08pm |
re: #77 darthstar
Let me guess…when you see someone buying groceries with food stamps and they pull out a $20 bill to pay for the six pack of beer that they have added to their groceries, you immediately think they’re abusing the system. Maybe if we forced people on food-stamps to buy nothing but Cheerios and 2% milk the world would be a better place. Then again, maybe not.
They are not abusing the system at all. If they try to pay for the beer with the food stamps, and the merchant doesn’t catch that transaction, then they are abusing the system.
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Four More Tears Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:15:22pm |
re: #82 darthstar
As long as they don’t become more extreme Senators and Congressmen. Have all the extreme candidates you want.
Yeah, but that’s not the path to better governance.
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greygandalf Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:16:06pm |
re: #77 darthstar
Let me guess…when you see someone buying groceries with food stamps and they pull out a $20 bill to pay for the six pack of beer that they have added to their groceries, you immediately think they’re abusing the system. Maybe if we forced people on food-stamps to buy nothing but Cheerios and 2% milk the world would be a better place. Then again, maybe not.
I don’t immediately judge people at all like that. However, I can see how a program like food stamps is not a long term solution and people should be helped their way out of it.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:16:09pm |
re: #84 Walter L. Newton
They are not abusing the system at all. If they try to pay for the beer with the food stamps,
and the merchant doesn’t catch that transaction, then they are abusing the system.
Correction above.
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Vicious Babushka Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:16:20pm |
re: #71 webevintage
How can that be?
Sharon says there are lots of “honest” jobs (read low paying, no benefits) out there for the spoiled unemployed in this country.
I mean how DARE you want a decent, well paying job?
/
I don’t qualify for those jobs, I’m not an illegal immigrant.
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Targetpractice Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:16:51pm |
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lawhawk Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:17:32pm |
re: #84 Walter L. Newton
Ah, but if they have the $20 to buy the beer, then that $20 could have gone to buy the food that they have the food stamps for and they could skip the libations.
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funky chicken Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:17:36pm |
re: #8 lawhawk
If this is the best that the GOP can come up with in NV to run against Reid, it’s no wonder that NV is in the shape that it is in. *facepalm*
The really sad thing is that Danny Tarkanian is a good guy, and is conservative, and has run a successful business, and has done a lot of good in the Las Vegas area with his dad, and is very popular there. In other words, he would have probably beat Harry Reid easily.
But he’s not insane, so he couldn’t win the GOP primary.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:17:38pm |
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darthstar Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:17:43pm |
re: #84 Walter L. Newton
They are not abusing the system at all. If they try to pay for the beer with the food stamps, and the merchant doesn’t catch that transaction, then they are abusing the system.
Of course they aren’t…but I know people who see that and say, “They can buy beer! Why are they getting my tax dollars for food stamps?”
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Vicious Babushka Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:17:46pm |
re: #84 Walter L. Newton
They are not abusing the system at all. If they try to pay for the beer with the food stamps, and the merchant doesn’t catch that transaction, then they are abusing the system.
Doesn’t the barcode reader automatically sort the products that are food-stamp eligible and non-eligible?
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:17:50pm |
re: #77 darthstar
Let me guess…when you see someone buying groceries with food stamps and they pull out a $20 bill to pay for the six pack of beer that they have added to their groceries, you immediately think they’re abusing the system. Maybe if we forced people on food-stamps to buy nothing but Cheerios and 2% milk the world would be a better place. Then again, maybe not.
Let me guess… you see quotes from a politician invoking Jesus and God and the Bible and morals, comments made at a political event… immediately think Palin?
:)
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Lidane Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:18:11pm |
Yep. That’s a surefire way to appeal to the disaffected voter who got laid off or who otherwise hasn’t been able to find a job in this economy. Tell them they’re spoiled.
I can’t see any negatives to that strategy at all.
/
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:18:47pm |
re: #90 lawhawk
Ah, but if they have the $20 to buy the beer, then that $20 could have gone to buy the food that they have the food stamps for and they could skip the libations.
Sure they could… but they are not abusing the food stamp system, not legally. Morally, maybe they are cheating themselves… but Darthstar was talking about abusing the food stamp system.
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darthstar Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:18:50pm |
re: #95 Walter L. Newton
Let me guess… you see quotes from a politician invoking Jesus and God and the Bible and morals, comments made at a political event… immediately think Palin?
:)
You’ve still got that hard-on for Pelosi, I see.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:19:31pm |
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Targetpractice Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:19:37pm |
re: #91 funky chicken
The really sad thing is that Danny Tarkanian is a good guy, and is conservative, and has run a successful business, and has done a lot of good in the Las Vegas area with his dad, and is very popular there. In other words, he would have probably beat Harry Reid easily.
But he’s not insane, so he couldn’t win the GOP primary.
Precisely. It’s about Angle being the “best the GOP could come up,” it’s about the fervent, wild-eyed, frothing lunacy that has gripped their base since Obama won. Tarkanian would have probably beat Reid black and blue in November and been a fine addition to Congress. But he doesn’t speak “Populist” and so never had a chance against Angle.
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SteveC Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:19:44pm |
re: #72 LudwigVanQuixote
If I were the enlightened despot, I would make the following restrictions.
No voting if you:
2. Call the Civil War the “War of Northern Aggression.”
I was doing some family history research in an old cemetery here in SC and saw several tombstones that said the occupant fell in the “War for Independence”
Southerners from olden days couldn’t count very well. The death dates on these markers were 1861-65.
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darthstar Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:19:54pm |
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EdDantes Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:20:19pm |
I worked grave shift last night (pacific standard time) so good day you wonderful people until I can converse with you again.
Ed.
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Targetpractice Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:20:22pm |
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jamesfirecat Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:20:59pm |
re: #72 LudwigVanQuixote
If I were the enlightened despot, I would make the following restrictions.
No voting if you:
1. Wear a mullet. Sorry, no excuses - none.
2. Call the Civil War the “War of Northern Aggression.”
3. Honestly believe that the universe is less than 6,000 years old. If you have some complicated interpretation of scripture that allows you to accept that we measure the the age of the universe in the billions of years, but reconcile it with scripture somehow, that is another matter. But f you honestly can not be swayed by any evidence, then you do not get to vote. Voting is an exercise of power of the collective destiny of our nation. It requires educated and prudent judgement that understands changing conditions.
4. Honestly believe that your opinion has the same merit or weight as scientific fact or that you are the equal of a scientist or a medical doctor in rendering judgement on such matters when you could barely pass algebra.
No excuse for that. Go whine to someone else. Government should be handled with humility, not the sort of arrogance that assumes that you are such a special snow-flake that your views have equal merit to all others in all cases.5. Get so riled up that you have to protest, but then can not really articulate what you are protesting about. Exercising voting rights is an expression of power and a sacred duty - not the pass time of virulent sheep.
6. Just as we should not let paranoid schizophrenics vote - we should not let those who believe in Britherism or Deatherism or Trutherism vote. Those views when passionately held are prima facia evidence of mental illness. Government should be restricted from the insane.
Before people get riled about the elitism and condescending humor of my post. Please consider the following fact. Democracy fails if the citizens are not capable of making a democracy work. We have seen it fail in numerous other less developed places where we imposed democracy. We are seeing it fail now in our own nation. Western nations are not immune to having the corrupt and stupid members of their societies seize political control through ostensibly democratic means. Hitler, after all, was elected.
One small quibble? Wasn’t Hitler’s Party “elected” to a number of seats with about 1/3rd of the vote would get them in Germany’s version of the senate?
Sorry my bad his party evidently got 43.9% of the vote at its very best (with Hitler already as the guy in charge of the executive branch more or less) before that the highest they got was 37.4 in July 1932 in July
Hitler’s party never broke the 50% mark and Hitler himself was appointed Chancellor….
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lawhawk Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:21:19pm |
re: #97 Walter L. Newton
The main way that food stamp abuse occurs is lying about eligibility for the program (lying about the income levels).
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:21:36pm |
re: #37 EdDantes
What are “one of those jobs” she mentions at the beginning?
I wonder how many people apply for every opening at the average urban Nevada Burger King these days.
I’m willing to bet it’s a pretty high number.
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avanti Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:22:05pm |
“Get ready for former Rep. JD Hayworth’s greatest infomercial pitchman moments: free government money, you never have to pay it back! It’s real!”
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Shiplord Kirel Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:23:17pm |
Personally, I would rather be dead than think that children were going hungry so I could save enough on taxes to buy a few more gallons of gas for my Rolls-Royce.
Guilty elitist? Grateful would be more like it, grateful for the GI bill and for the many other taxpayer supported opportunities that allowed me to escape the poverty of my childhood. People like Angle are even better off and seem to have no conscience or sense of responsibility or gratitude at all.
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Donna Ballard Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:23:45pm |
re: #7 webevintage
Wow.
Spoiled?
What a heartless bitch.
I wonder if she was unemployed if she would head on down and take that “honest” job at WalMat or Mickey D’s?
Boy have you got that right! Speaking from experience being unemployed and depending on the state or fed for a check is one of the most degrading and depressing experiences a person can have. It’s even worse when you can’t get a job that will pay the bills because your overqualified for the position.
And then their ate the interviewers who look at you with pity and skepticism because you’re looking to work for them at roughly 50% less money than what you were making before and the don’t want to hire you because their afraid you’ll leave as soon as you get a better offer, or will make demands for more money as soon as your established with the company. I’m really, really tired of those looks!
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Kragar Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:23:47pm |
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Political Atheist Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:23:59pm |
Just for contrast, OMG. The Saudis are seriously hoarding gold.
Disclaimer- the image is mine the article Not So Much!
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:24:13pm |
re: #89 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
I have no problems with all those except #2…you damn yankee.
/
My beloved Miss S. who is very likely to soon be my fiancée, has some family from Texas. She is pretty dyed in the wool liberal so she takes the shenanigans of Texas politicians and Texas BOE personally - and gets very touchy.
Once in a political discussion - more of an angry rant on her part about the crazy down there - she said “don’t you dare look at me like that!”
“Like what honey? I agree with you!”
“Like Texas is some cesspit of backwards mutants and medieval throwbacks.”
“Honey, I know lots of good people from UT Austin. I don’t think all Texans are like that - and you were the one to use the medieval mutant language when you described the BOE down there.”
“That is not the point!”
“OK, what is?”
“You have to be from Texas to truly hate the crazy of Texas and want it whupped!”
“Honey, I’m from Pennsylvania. We whupped Texas quite effectively.”
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:24:33pm |
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Political Atheist Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:24:45pm |
re: #110 Dragon_Lady
Oh Hai!
Umm I was talking about you upthread…
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Kragar Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:24:46pm |
re: #112 Rightwingconspirator
Just for contrast, OMG. The Saudis are seriously hoarding gold.
Disclaimer- the image is mine the article Not So Much!
Obviously they are fans of Glenn Beck.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:24:46pm |
re: #106 lawhawk
The main way that food stamp abuse occurs is lying about eligibility for the program (lying about the income levels).
We were not talking about premeditated fraud in obtaining food stamps. We were talking about someone legally using their own personal money to pay for a non-food stamp eligible article. So, with your logic, it would be wrong for a mother to purchase a special treat for their children, since they are on food stamps… “take that Matchbox Car away from that little beggar… he’s not getting any toys until I’m making 125 grand a year…”
You’re cold.
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Political Atheist Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:25:27pm |
re: #116 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Oil For Gold via American gasoline dollars. Ugh.
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darthstar Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:25:42pm |
Heh…speaking of teabaggers…JD Hayworth pitching “Get Government Grants” in 2007 for one of those infomercial scams (like Cash for Gold, only without the cash or gold involved).
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avanti Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:26:02pm |
re: #111 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
But is it real?
It’s refreshing to see a real conservative pushing for “free” government money.
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Amory Blaine Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:26:11pm |
So in her right wingnut world, no unemployment. What do you think will be the result say if this recession gets worse and there is no safety net.
No money…check
No job…check
Losing the home….check
Self worth in the toilet…check
Children starving….check
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Macha Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:26:36pm |
re: #93 darthstar
Of course they aren’t…but I know people who see that and say, “They can buy beer! Why are they getting my tax dollars for food stamps?”
This mindset is all over the place. A few years back I received a $50 gift certificate from my employer for Christmas. We were having a party, so I used it at a local chain grocery to buy some goodies, including some wine. When I gave it to the clerk as part of the payment, she yelled in a very loud voice “YOU CAN’T BUY BOOZE WITH THAT!!!” Needless to say she got the attention of everyone at the checkout stands in the store. It took getting the manager up there to put her straight as she was convinced that it was some kind of welfare check. We still laugh over it, but how awful it would have been for someone who was on some kind of supplemental food program to encounter a harpy like that.
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Kragar Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:26:56pm |
re: #118 Rightwingconspirator
Oil For Gold via American gasoline dollars. Ugh.
Never enough Crom worshippers around when you really need them.
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darthstar Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:26:57pm |
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Four More Tears Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:27:32pm |
re: #121 Amory Blaine
So in her right wingnut world, no unemployment. What do you think will be the result say if this recession gets worse and there is no safety net.
No money…check
No job…check
Losing the home…check
Self worth in the toilet…check
Children starving…check
And once said person turns to crime to get their needs met the taxpayer then has to get the bill anyway…
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Macha Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:29:02pm |
Off topic, but I’d like to wish all the Lizards a good first day of summer. It is summer solstice today, the longest day of the year. It has been so cool in many places, it is probably hard to believe that summer is here.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:29:33pm |
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webevintage Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:29:57pm |
re: #109 Shiplord Kirel
Personally, I would rather be dead than think that children were going hungry so I could save enough on taxes to buy a few more gallons of gas for my Rolls-Royce.
Guilty elitist? Grateful would be more like it…..
You know what, I don’t know how anyone who has a job and a place to live and healthy kids they can afford to feed could disagree with that sentiment.
We live in a dbl wide and no Rolls around and I’m grateful for what we have.
So much so that I have no problem paying a bit more in taxes to help out the guy next door who’s life might not be going to well at the moment.
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Shiplord Kirel Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:30:05pm |
re: #117 Walter L. Newton
I wish a hundred more updings to give you for that, Walter.
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Kragar Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:30:05pm |
re: #120 avanti
It’s refreshing to see a real conservative pushing for “free” government money.
“You will receive information, information that equates with power”
We want information… information… information. By hook or by crook.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:30:06pm |
re: #122 Macha
This mindset is all over the place. A few years back I received a $50 gift certificate from my employer for Christmas. We were having a party, so I used it at a local chain grocery to buy some goodies, including some wine. When I gave it to the clerk as part of the payment, she yelled in a very loud voice “YOU CAN’T BUY BOOZE WITH THAT!!!” Needless to say she got the attention of everyone at the checkout stands in the store. It took getting the manager up there to put her straight as she was convinced that it was some kind of welfare check. We still laugh over it, but how awful it would have been for someone who was on some kind of supplemental food program to encounter a harpy like that.
Where I work it’s against store policy to make any statement out loud that would indicate to another customer that a certain person was using any of the various government assistance programs.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:30:43pm |
re: #126 Macha
Off topic, but I’d like to wish all the Lizards a good first day of summer. It is summer solstice today, the longest day of the year. It has been so cool in many places, it is probably hard to believe that summer is here.
Did you notice the post about India and Pakistan having 128 degree temperatures?
However, thanks for the well meaning of the post and I hope you have a wonderful summer too.
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funky chicken Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:30:50pm |
re: #112 Rightwingconspirator
Just for contrast, OMG. The Saudis are seriously hoarding gold.
Disclaimer- the image is mine the article Not So Much!
What do the gold bugs think all that stuff is gonna do for them if the international monetary system really goes in the toilet? Gold isn’t super nutritious.
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Targetpractice Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:31:29pm |
re: #113 LudwigVanQuixote
Heh. My mother’s family is from Kentucky, my father’s from Washington, and I’ve lived pretty much half my life in Virginia. So I’m all kinds of mixed up when it comes to heritage. I see both sides of the whole “Civil War/War of Northern Aggression” business, and seem to sympathize a bit with both.
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greygandalf Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:31:51pm |
re: #109 Shiplord Kirel
Personally, I would rather be dead than think that children were going hungry so I could save enough on taxes to buy a few more gallons of gas for my Rolls-Royce.
I guess you’ll be dying soon. Cause people are going hungry all over the developed world. Are you going to call for an increase in taxes to help them?
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Kragar Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:32:23pm |
re: #133 funky chicken
What do the gold bugs think all that stuff is gonna do for them if the international monetary system really goes in the toilet? Gold isn’t super nutritious.
But, you can buy stuff with it! All you have to do now to get it is trade away this worthless cash money for it.
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Shiplord Kirel Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:32:33pm |
re: #129 Shiplord Kirel
PIMF
Wish I had a hundred more updings…..
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Decatur Deb Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:32:42pm |
re: #128 webevintage
You know what, I don’t know how anyone who has a job and a place to live and healthy kids they can afford to feed could disagree with that sentiment.
We live in a dbl wide and no Rolls around and I’m grateful for what we have.
So much so that I have no problem paying a bit more in taxes to help out the guy next door who’s life might not be going to well at the moment.
Doublewide? Frickn gentry—our first “property” was a used 10x45.
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Targetpractice Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:32:49pm |
re: #130 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
“You will receive information, information that equates with power”
We want information… information… information. By hook or by crook.
Who is Number 1?
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:33:01pm |
re: #121 Amory Blaine
So in her right wingnut world, no unemployment. What do you think will be the result say if this recession gets worse and there is no safety net.
No money…check
No job…check
Losing the home…check
Self worth in the toilet…check
Children starving…check
I believe the concept is that if you stopped taxing businesses at all, the economy would ROAR back to life, and all these folks would have great jobs that would pay really well, even though employers would not actually be required to pay a minimum wage or provide any benefits.
That’s just how it would work. On planet Sharron.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:33:10pm |
re: #129 Shiplord Kirel
I wish a hundred more updings to give you for that, Walter.
Save them… I’ll piss you off soon enough and you’ll wish you had them back… save yourself the anxious moments.
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Fozzie Bear Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:33:17pm |
re: #116 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Obviously they are fans of Glenn Beck.
Well, Fox is owned by a Saudi terrorist prince, after all.
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Four More Tears Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:33:33pm |
re: #135 greygandalf
I guess you’ll be dying soon. Cause people are going hungry all over the developed world. Are you going to call for an increase in taxes to help them?
He can’t save everyone. The name’s not “Shiplord KalEl.”
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Kragar Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:33:38pm |
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Targetpractice Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:34:09pm |
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Four More Tears Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:34:10pm |
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Macha Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:34:29pm |
re: #132 LudwigVanQuixote
Did you notice the post about India and Pakistan having 128 degree temperatures?
Yes, I did see them. It isn’t just about the polar ice. I think we are going to see the rest of the picture and it isn’t pretty.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:34:51pm |
re: #131 Walter L. Newton
Where I work it’s against store policy to make any statement out loud that would indicate to another customer that a certain person was using any of the various government assistance programs.
Good policy.
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Kragar Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:35:04pm |
re: #146 JasonA
We want… information.
I will not make any deals with you. I’ve resigned. I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own. I resign.
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darthstar Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:35:15pm |
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:35:36pm |
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Kragar Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:35:54pm |
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Shiplord Kirel Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:35:56pm |
re: #141 Walter L. Newton
Save them… I’ll piss you off soon enough and you’ll wish you had them back… save yourself the anxious moments.
In that case, I’ll wish I had a hundred more downdings.
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Four More Tears Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:36:06pm |
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darthstar Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:36:48pm |
re: #117 Walter L. Newton
We were not talking about premeditated fraud in obtaining food stamps. We were talking about someone legally using their own personal money to pay for a non-food stamp eligible article. So, with your logic, it would be wrong for a mother to purchase a special treat for their children, since they are on food stamps… “take that Matchbox Car away from that little beggar… he’s not getting any toys until I’m making 125 grand a year…”
You’re cold.
Well said, Walter…but the prevailing opinion of too many people is that, so long as a person is on food stamps, they don’t have (or shouldn’t have) personal money.
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Macha Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:37:16pm |
re: #131 Walter L. Newton
Where I work it’s against store policy to make any statement out loud that would indicate to another customer that a certain person was using any of the various government assistance programs.
You work for an enlightened store. I’m glad to hear that. By now, perhaps, this one has implemented the same policy. I was so disgusted, I never went back to that store.
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webevintage Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:37:29pm |
About 10ish years ago my husband lost his job and was unemployed for a month or so.
We were on food stamps for that time.
At first I was really embarrassed when the card would not work and the people in line would be huffing until I remembered that I had paid for this though my taxes at some point and I was not going to apologize for using a program when we needed it.
I also used WIC when my son was young because we qualified and the dirty looks I would get….
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Donna Ballard Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:37:40pm |
re: #115 Rightwingconspirator
Oh Hai!
Umm I was talking about you upthread…
Yeah, I sees that! And you got it right my Love! Being unemployed sucks! But the bright side is the apartment has never been cleaner! Oh and the kitties are getting plenty of outs!
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:38:01pm |
re: #135 greygandalf
I guess you’ll be dying soon. Cause people are going hungry all over the developed world. Are you going to call for an increase in taxes to help them?
Obviously not. Now, if I can get through my day knowing that a child is starving in Darfur, why should it bother me if I see a child starving on the street by my house? Fuck WIC, welfare, food stamps, unemployment and Section Eight. I can’t help everyone, might as well help no one.
(The extremes, they run in both directions.)
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Shiplord Kirel Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:38:35pm |
re: #135 greygandalf
I guess you’ll be dying soon. Cause people are going hungry all over the developed world. Are you going to call for an increase in taxes to help them?
I don’t think lack of funding is really the cause at this point, but it would be if people like Angle and other food-stamp haters had their way.
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Four More Tears Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:38:55pm |
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Four More Tears Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:40:05pm |
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Targetpractice Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:40:10pm |
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Kragar Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:40:46pm |
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webevintage Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:40:48pm |
re: #138 Decatur Deb
Doublewide? Frickn gentry—our first “property” was a used 10x45.
I know.
When we first moved from our single wide to this one I felt like we were living large.
Truthfully it is affordable housing that is nicer then any “real house” we could afford. It allows us to live “out” in the peace and quite (except for my neighbor with the leaf blower obsession and the other who likes to shoot at things) with lots of pretty trees which allows me to have a husband who has not had a heart attack from living in the city.
I feel blessed…and grateful.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:41:03pm |
re: #156 Macha
You work for an enlightened store. I’m glad to hear that. By now, perhaps, this one has implemented the same policy. I was so disgusted, I never went back to that store.
I work for a supermarket chain who has over 300,000 employees. It’s one of those “big scary capitalist eat you alive companies.” They are not enlightened, they are legally smart. You see, big business is warm and cuddly…
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:41:16pm |
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Kragar Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:41:41pm |
re: #164 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
In a row?
Try not to [blank] on your way thru the parking lot!
HEY, GET BACK HERE!
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:41:58pm |
re: #154 JasonA
You heard wrong. It was thirty-six…
Don’t worry buddy, I got it.
Clerks is still the best of all his movies.
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darthstar Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:42:13pm |
re: #168 LudwigVanQuixote
It is very worth watching.
Apparently…I remember people saying how great it was…then it was HBO and I just couldn’t get into it. I’ll give it another try one of these days.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:42:42pm |
re: #171 darthstar
Apparently…I remember people saying how great it was…then it was HBO and I just couldn’t get into it. I’ll give it another try one of these days.
All of Kevin Smiths movies rule.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:43:09pm |
re: #140 SanFranciscoZionist
I believe the concept is that if you stopped taxing businesses at all, the economy would ROAR back to life, and all these folks would have great jobs that would pay really well, even though employers would not actually be required to pay a minimum wage or provide any benefits.
That’s just how it would work. On planet Sharron.
They will be paid in rocks, big belt buckles, guns and Libertarian pixie dust.
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albusteve Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:44:23pm |
re: #172 Walter L. Newton
All of Kevin Smiths movies rule.
but what’s the average carbon footprint to manufacture a movie?….seems like a huge waste so people can sit on thier ass and play make believe
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Kragar Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:44:32pm |
re: #168 LudwigVanQuixote
It is very worth watching.
Randall made the movie.
Randal Graves: I don’t appreciate your ruse, ma’am.
Indecisive Video Customer: I beg your pardon?
Randal Graves: Your ruse. Your cunning attempt to trick me.
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Vicious Babushka Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:44:39pm |
re: #140 SanFranciscoZionist
I believe the concept is that if you stopped taxing businesses at all, the economy would ROAR back to life, and all these folks would have great jobs that would pay really well, even though employers would not actually be required to pay a minimum wage or provide any benefits.
That’s just how it would work. On planet Sharron.
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Four More Tears Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:44:47pm |
re: #173 LudwigVanQuixote
They will be paid in rocks, big belt buckles, guns and Libertarian pixie dust.
Is a man not entitled to the sweat of his brow… that he paid into unemployment insurance for years and years?
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darthstar Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:44:59pm |
re: #174 albusteve
but what’s the average carbon footprint to manufacture a movie?…seems like a huge waste so people can sit on thier ass and play make believe
So is the internet, for that matter.
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Targetpractice Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:45:25pm |
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Four More Tears Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:46:59pm |
re: #174 albusteve
but what’s the average carbon footprint to manufacture a movie?…seems like a huge waste so people can sit on thier ass and play make believe
Philistine.
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Kragar Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:47:27pm |
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Political Atheist Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:47:48pm |
re: #133 funky chicken
Okay I can only parrot the thinking not understand it!
They expect it to be the next currency after the fall.
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Donna Ballard Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:48:09pm |
re: #157 webevintage
About 10ish years ago my husband lost his job and was unemployed for a month or so.
We were on food stamps for that time.
At first I was really embarrassed when the card would not work and the people in line would be huffing until I remembered that I had paid for this though my taxes at some point and I was not going to apologize for using a program when we needed it.
I also used WIC when my son was young because we qualified and the dirty looks I would get…
Ya know I have no prob with people using food stamps. But I draw the line at seeing women who have chauffeurs waiting and wearing mink coats with huge diamond rings on with diamond earrings on using them! And YES! I have seen just that! Boy was I pissed! I just looked at her and said “You’re welcome” as she finished with her order. She stuck her nose up and walked out like a Queen afraid to acknowledge a serf. Gerrr that really pissed me off! Talk about milking the system!
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albusteve Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:48:19pm |
re: #178 darthstar
So is the internet, for that matter.
all entertainment must cease….no more oil for pretend!
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Macha Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:48:31pm |
re: #167 Walter L. Newton
I work for a supermarket chain who has over 300,000 employees. It’s one of those “big scary capitalist eat you alive companies.” They are not enlightened, they are legally smart. You see, big business is warm and cuddly…
Definitely a difference between legally smart and enlightened. Those big gorilla companies are about as cuddly as a cobra. Still, I’m glad that policy is in force, but probably wouldn’t be if they didn’t come out on the sore end of a lawsuit back when.
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Targetpractice Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:48:49pm |
re: #180 JasonA
What? Like the back of a Volkswagon?
Come, Son of Jor-El! KNEEL BEFORE ZOD! Snootchie-bootchies.
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Political Atheist Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:50:19pm |
re: #132 LudwigVanQuixote
I noticed that, and noticed our summer heat is late to arrive. Changes and changes. I still think we are the “easy” period- then it will come faster than thought. Just a guess but it would figure.
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webevintage Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:51:04pm |
re: #172 Walter L. Newton
All of Kevin Smiths movies rule.
I love Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back but Clerks is awesome…
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Kragar Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:51:20pm |
re: #187 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Come, Son of Jor-El! KNEEL BEFORE ZOD! Snootchie-bootchies.
What he’s doing now is imitating Wolverine’s beserker rage.
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Kragar Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:51:42pm |
re: #189 webevintage
I love Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back but Clerks is awesome…
Mallrats was the best.
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elizajane Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:53:17pm |
I am sorry to say that I’m not sure the “spoiled unemployed” line will lose her many votes. It’s a mild version of the sort of thing Rush says all the time. There might be people in Nevada who quite like this equation: if we got rid of all the Illegals, then Unemployeds would be able to take their jobs and quite sponging off the rest of us good, God-fearing, honest folk.
The part about “it’s not my business to bring jobs to the state”—that was pure stupid.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:53:24pm |
re: #188 Rightwingconspirator
I noticed that, and noticed our summer heat is late to arrive. Changes and changes. I still think we are the “easy” period- then it will come faster than thought. Just a guess but it would figure.
We caught a break in the US because of the volcano in Iceland. That break will end soon enough.
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Targetpractice Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:54:44pm |
According to the AP app on my iPod, the Times Square bomber just plead guilty to “attempted use of a weapon of mass destruction.”
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greygandalf Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:55:38pm |
How does Nevada even elect democrats? I always got the impression it was the most conservation area of the country.
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greygandalf Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:57:16pm |
re: #195 greygandalf
How does Nevada even elect democrats? I always got the impression it was the most conservation area of the country.
scratch that, i was thinking of utah.
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albusteve Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:57:31pm |
re: #195 greygandalf
How does Nevada even elect democrats? I always got the impression it was the most conservation area of the country.
that was before 1/2 the population were CAs fleeing their own man made hell….same thing can be said for NM
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Donna Ballard Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:57:36pm |
re: #195 greygandalf
How does Nevada even elect democrats? I always got the impression it was the most conservation area of the country.
Tell that to the casinos and the whore houses!// Or were you being sarcastic and forget the sac tags?
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Hawaii69 Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:58:10pm |
re: #19 webevintage
Well it depends on how much you were making at the job you lost.
Only up to a point. The maximum benefit in Hawaii is
something like $500/week, pre tax.
If you were grossing significantly more than that, you’re out of luck.
Yes, people on unemplyment are spoiled. Their lives are spoiled. Their plans are spoiled. Their self esteem and mood are spoiled.
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Amory Blaine Mon, Jun 21, 2010 2:00:17pm |
re: #194 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
According to the AP app on my iPod, the Times Square bomber just plead guilty to “attempted use of a weapon of mass destruction.”
They sure lowered the bar for what constitutes a WMD. Soon, farting the wrong way will get you a WMD charge. Didn’t take long.
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greygandalf Mon, Jun 21, 2010 2:01:46pm |
re: #194 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
According to the AP app on my iPod, the Times Square bomber just plead guilty to “attempted use of a weapon of mass destruction.”
Technically, I guess it is an attempt. But then an empty van that says bomb on the outside could be an attempt as well.
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Ojoe Mon, Jun 21, 2010 2:03:10pm |
O you B——
Spoiled my ass
What jobs?
There has been no construction work in my area to speak of for about two years.
There aren’t enough honorable low paying jobs to make up for it.
People are losing their houses.
And it is not because they are too proud or snotty to work.
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Political Atheist Mon, Jun 21, 2010 2:03:37pm |
re: #188 Rightwingconspirator
One big flaw here-the prices are hard cover prices. Our cost per book would go way up!
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Political Atheist Mon, Jun 21, 2010 2:04:52pm |
re: #193 LudwigVanQuixote
The volcano, not El Nino? That is interesting. Is there a climate page a sharp amateur could follow to learn stuff like that?
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Political Atheist Mon, Jun 21, 2010 2:05:44pm |
re: #203 Rightwingconspirator
whoops multi threading FAIL!
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Mon, Jun 21, 2010 2:06:39pm |
re: #177 JasonA
Is a man not entitled to the sweat of his brow… that he paid into unemployment insurance for years and years?
I have video from the libertarian land of Texatopia 2075.
Here is the former Texarcana region…
Here is the outskirts of Dallas:
Here is the debate in Congress about the disturbing trend.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Mon, Jun 21, 2010 2:07:23pm |
re: #200 Amory Blaine
They sure lowered the bar for what constitutes a WMD. Soon, farting the wrong way will get you a WMD charge. Didn’t take long.
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Varek Raith Mon, Jun 21, 2010 2:08:35pm |
Right you wingnut.
I’m spoiled.
I love relying on my parents just to get by.
I love not being able to find work in my city.
I just fucking love it.
I’m pissed.
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Targetpractice Mon, Jun 21, 2010 2:12:08pm |
OT:
NYC car bomb suspect pleads guilty
NEW YORK – A Pakistan-born U.S. citizen has pleaded guilty in federal court to a charge accusing him of plotting the failed Times Square car bombing.
Faisal Shahzad (FY’-sul shah-ZAHD’) entered the plea to the first of 10 charges in an indictment, but said he plans to plead guilty to all of them.
He told the judge he wanted to “plead guilty and 100 times more.” He also warned that unless the U.S. leaves Muslim lands, “We will be attacking U.S.”
Entering pleas one-by-one, he began by pleading guilty to attempted use of weapons of mass destruction.
Shahzad is accused in a plot that fizzled when a gasoline-and-propane bomb failed to ignite in an SUV parked near a Broadway theater May 1. The Bridgeport, Conn., resident was arrested two days later.
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Ojoe Mon, Jun 21, 2010 2:13:13pm |
re: #55 SanFranciscoZionist
This is gonna be one hell of an election. I am laying in Kettle Korn and beer.
I have seldom been so loath to face an election.
I do not like the state of the country nor where the democrats are taking it.
I cannot stand the GOP.
The Whigs (who have joined up with the Centrists) don’t have many candidates.
The economy is in the tank, and I am tempted to vote all R just to shake things up, on the theory that this might help the economy, and thus my family.
But the R’s are a bunch of loons it seems.
F*** them all, I might write “Ojoe” on all the lines.
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Kragar Mon, Jun 21, 2010 2:13:49pm |
re: #210 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
OT:
Yeah, that whole “Muslim Lands” thing never plays out well for some reason.
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Hawaii69 Mon, Jun 21, 2010 2:16:49pm |
re: #200 Amory Blaine
They sure lowered the bar for what constitutes a WMD. Soon, farting the wrong way will get you a WMD charge. Didn’t take long.
How about “WMD” as one of the most overused acronyms of the decade?
The only real “WMD” is a nuclear weapon. Nothing else
comes close.
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Kragar Mon, Jun 21, 2010 2:23:18pm |
re: #213 Hawaii69
How about “WMD” as one of the most overused acronyms of the decade?
The only real “WMD” is a nuclear weapon. Nothing else
comes close.
The following is a list of weaponized biological agents; anthrax, ebola, Marburg virus, plague, cholera, tularemia, brucellosis, Q fever, Bolivian hemorrhagic fever, Coccidioides mycosis, glanders, Melioidosis, Shigella, Rocky Mountain spotted fever, typhus, Psittacosis, yellow fever, Japanese B encephalitis, Rift Valley fever, smallpox, ricin, SEB, botulism toxin, saxitoxin, and others.
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Donna Ballard Mon, Jun 21, 2010 2:24:42pm |
BBL Lizardettes and Lizards, time to go get the car.
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albusteve Mon, Jun 21, 2010 2:26:51pm |
re: #215 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
The following is a list of weaponized biological agents; anthrax, ebola, Marburg virus, plague, cholera, tularemia, brucellosis, Q fever, Bolivian hemorrhagic fever, Coccidioides mycosis, glanders, Melioidosis, Shigella, Rocky Mountain spotted fever, typhus, Psittacosis, yellow fever, Japanese B encephalitis, Rift Valley fever, smallpox, ricin, SEB, botulism toxin, saxitoxin, and others.
I would add network TV to that list
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Hawaii69 Mon, Jun 21, 2010 2:27:53pm |
re: #214 Ojoe
Theoretically, they could.
But in terms of what actually exists, and our
abilities to deliver them as a weapon, not so much.
They’re more a Weapons of Mass Hysteria.
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celticdragon Mon, Jun 21, 2010 2:28:44pm |
re: #7 webevintage
Wow.
Spoiled?
What a heartless bitch.
I wonder if she was unemployed if she would head on down and take that “honest” job at WalMat or Mickey D’s?
In the meantime, companies continue to lay off more workers. The Department of Labor report on new claims for unemployment insurance on June 17 showed an increase of 12,000 new claims, to a total of 472,000 for the week ending June 12. The continued job cuts of almost a half a million workers a week show that the labor market is still weak. To make matters worse, more and more companies are refusing to hire the unemployed. A growing number have even said publicly that job applicants must be employed in order to be considered for a job. Even more refuse to consider applications from the unemployed but do not say so publicly.
Of course, we all that Real Americans would simply start their own small business with gumption and boot strapping while their families live on fresh air and dreams and the kids pay the bills on their paper route money! That is the Real American Frontier Approved Way!
Then, they can get bulldozed by a massive corporate environmental fuck up and the GOP could claim that any effort to recompense them is a shake down of real businesses …
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Hawaii69 Mon, Jun 21, 2010 2:32:39pm |
re: #215 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
The following is a list of weaponized biological agents; anthrax, ebola, Marburg virus, plague, cholera, tularemia, brucellosis, Q fever, Bolivian hemorrhagic fever, Coccidioides mycosis, glanders, Melioidosis, Shigella, Rocky Mountain spotted fever, typhus, Psittacosis, yellow fever, Japanese B encephalitis, Rift Valley fever, smallpox, ricin, SEB, botulism toxin, saxitoxin, and others.
Yes, there are plenty of Biological weapons, and Chemical weapons. In terms of practical usage, they’re
ill suited to cause “Mass Destruction”, especially in the
hands of people who don’t have access to artillery of aircraft.
They’re better at causing hysteria.
Bio weapons, especially, aren’t nearly as effective as Stephen King had lead me to believe.
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Amory Blaine Mon, Jun 21, 2010 2:35:26pm |
re: #219 celticdragon
It would be noce if there was a frontier to go to. This is what people fail to understand about freedom in America. In the past, if you wanted to get away from the masses and strike out on your own, you could. That option is gone. You are trapped in this corporate owned country.
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celticdragon Mon, Jun 21, 2010 2:36:38pm |
re: #157 webevintage
About 10ish years ago my husband lost his job and was unemployed for a month or so.
We were on food stamps for that time.
At first I was really embarrassed when the card would not work and the people in line would be huffing until I remembered that I had paid for this though my taxes at some point and I was not going to apologize for using a program when we needed it.
I also used WIC when my son was young because we qualified and the dirty looks I would get…
Been, there, done that.
I was astonished that when I was badly injured at work and my employer decided to challenge my worker’s comp rights, the corporate VP of HR told me to get welfare and food stamps. Seriously.
Considering it took a year to come to a legal agreement with them, it was the only feasible option. I got flamed hard for that when I mentioned it over at Megan McArdle’s.
The crowd there seems to think you should off yourself with a pistol to the head instead of being a drain on their taxes.
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celticdragon Mon, Jun 21, 2010 2:37:29pm |
re: #221 Amory Blaine
It would be noce if there was a frontier to go to. This is what people fail to understand about freedom in America. In the past, if you wanted to get away from the masses and strike out on your own, you could. That option is gone. You are trapped in this corporate owned country.
Exactly.
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Kragar Mon, Jun 21, 2010 2:39:06pm |
re: #220 Hawaii69
Yes, there are plenty of Biological weapons, and Chemical weapons. In terms of practical usage, they’re
ill suited to cause “Mass Destruction”, especially in the
hands of people who don’t have access to artillery of aircraft.They’re better at causing hysteria.
Bio weapons, especially, aren’t nearly as effective as Stephen King had lead me to believe.
On the modern battlefield, most are nothing more than an incapacitating agent. Used against a civilian target, or against a less advanced military force, they can cause major damage, but nothing like an “End times” plague.
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albusteve Mon, Jun 21, 2010 2:39:38pm |
re: #221 Amory Blaine
It would be noce if there was a frontier to go to. This is what people fail to understand about freedom in America. In the past, if you wanted to get away from the masses and strike out on your own, you could. That option is gone. You are trapped in this corporate owned country.
not me…I live very comfortably outside all that shit…it’s how you spend and manage that counts most, and of course you must make your own luck
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Romantic Heretic Mon, Jun 21, 2010 2:42:16pm |
re: #68 EdDantes
I was on food stamps for a few weeks in 1975 while I had a job.
I was on unemployment for two weeks in 1983 then I got a job.
Is there a problem with cheaters these days? I really don’t know. I would guess there are but I don’t know how pervasive they are.
The cheaters have always existed and always will exist. Their numbers are very small though.
I can tell you from personal experience any changes to ‘get tough with the cheaters’ will hurt the honest a lot more. The cheaters will just discover how to cheat the new rules.
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Amory Blaine Mon, Jun 21, 2010 2:43:37pm |
re: #225 albusteve
You have to admit however, that the freedom to settle a frontier is over. Comfort level has nothing to do with it.
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Four More Tears Mon, Jun 21, 2010 2:44:46pm |
re: #225 albusteve
not me…I live very comfortably outside all that shit…it’s how you spend and manage that counts most, and of course you must make your own luck
I think the point that Amory was trying to make was that we’re expected to live within a society and have few options outside of it. I can’t walk down to the nearest tree and cut it down to heat my home because someone else owns it.
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celticdragon Mon, Jun 21, 2010 2:48:44pm |
re: #225 albusteve
not me…I live very comfortably outside all that shit…it’s how you spend and manage that counts most, and of course you must make your own luck
An utter crock of amoral, Machiavellian bullshit. I suppose the people let go from aerospace, the textiles and garment industries or everybody along the Gulf just didn’t make enough luck? They didn’t manage their portfolios with due assiduousness? I have no idea where your Galt’s Gulch is that you think you are not affected by corporate malfeasance, but by all means, keep making up luck.
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Varek Raith Mon, Jun 21, 2010 2:49:56pm |
re: #224 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
On the modern battlefield, most are nothing more than an incapacitating agent. Used against a civilian target, or against a less advanced military force, they can cause major damage, but nothing like an “End times” plague.
Hehehe.
*Ignites his ships fusion engines in the atmosphere*
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OldnGrumpy Mon, Jun 21, 2010 2:53:46pm |
“I say we take off and nuke the entire site from orbit. It’s the only way to be sure.”
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Kragar Mon, Jun 21, 2010 2:54:12pm |
re: #230 Varek Raith
Hehehe.
*Ignites his ships fusion engines in the atmosphere*
Thats not a biological attack.
Now Life-Eater bombs followed up with a Lance strike on the other hand…
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Varek Raith Mon, Jun 21, 2010 2:55:13pm |
re: #232 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Thats not a biological attack.
Now Life-Eater bombs followed up with a Lance strike on the other hand…
:P
Tell that to the poor biological sods I just vaped.
:)
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Kragar Mon, Jun 21, 2010 2:58:57pm |
re: #233 Varek Raith
:P
Tell that to the poor biological sods I just vaped.
:)
If they were capable of it, the Necrons would be laughing as they begin phasing onto your ship.
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Varek Raith Mon, Jun 21, 2010 2:59:59pm |
re: #234 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
If they were capable of it, the Necrons would be laughing as they begin phasing onto your ship.
MUST YOU ALWAYS OPPOSE ME!11!!!
;)
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Mon, Jun 21, 2010 2:59:59pm |
re: #204 Rightwingconspirator
The volcano, not El Nino? That is interesting. Is there a climate page a sharp amateur could follow to learn stuff like that?
On one page not so much. However, at the time of the eruption there were a number of links posted here that discussed the effect. If you want to track it down, James Hansen first reached prominence in the climate world by accurately modeling the global climate effects of a large volcanic eruption back in the eighties.
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Gus Mon, Jun 21, 2010 3:01:37pm |
Another gaffe from big mouth Sharron Angle. This goes being a complete lack of empathy towards a complete lack of the actual facts. Most people pay into an unemployment insurance fund in order to receive benefits when unemployed. A good percentage of the unemployed at not receiving benefits and are either working at whatever crappy job they can find, eating into their saving or retirement funds (if they’re lucky enough to have one), or are out on the street.
The old tired cliche of “getting any job” you can get has become an urban legend. I doubt big mouth here has been paying attention but a lot of people are doing just that. However, if you were making 70K per year and have a mortgage to pay getting any job mean you’re still up the creek without a paddle. It can only work for a month tops. The urban myth aspect is that McDonald’s does not hire aerospace engineers to work in their joints. Once they see you’re overqualified (even to replace the local manager) they won’t hire you.
While I’m at it. Minimum wage is not a living wage.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Mon, Jun 21, 2010 3:03:21pm |
re: #237 Gus 802
Another gaffe from big mouth Sharron Angle. This goes being a complete lack of empathy towards a complete lack of the actual facts. Most people pay into an unemployment insurance fund in order to receive benefits when unemployed. A good percentage of the unemployed at not receiving benefits and are either working at whatever crappy job they can find, eating into their saving or retirement funds (if they’re lucky enough to have one), or are out on the street.
The old tired cliche of “getting any job” you can get has become an urban legend. I doubt big mouth here has been paying attention but a lot of people are doing just that. However, if you were making 70K per year and have a mortgage to pay getting any job mean you’re still up the creek without a paddle. It can only work for a month tops. The urban myth aspect is that McDonald’s does not hire aerospace engineers to work in their joints. Once they see you’re overqualified (even to replace the local manager) they won’t hire you.
While I’m at it. Minimum wage is not a living wage.
While we are at it, aerospace engineers could not pay their mortgage on McDonald’s wages. The Libertarian view on this is as heartless and callous as it is insane and devoid of reason.
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Kragar Mon, Jun 21, 2010 3:06:23pm |
re: #235 Varek Raith
MUST YOU ALWAYS OPPOSE ME!11!!!
;)
I am the Omega to your Alpha, the Yang to your Yin, the Gonzo to your Kermit.
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Gus Mon, Jun 21, 2010 3:06:28pm |
re: #238 LudwigVanQuixote
While we are at it, aerospace engineers could not pay their mortgage on McDonald’s wages. The Libertarian view on this is as heartless and callous as it is insane and devoid of reason.
Exactly. Which means the house gets foreclosed and you have to move and rent an apartment. Besides being a highly demoralizing event which can subject said person into clinical depression. Of course that’s a psychological impact which the anti-science wingnuts don’t “believe” in.
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Amory Blaine Mon, Jun 21, 2010 3:11:56pm |
re: #240 Gus 802
Even if you take the humanity component out of it, massive foreclosures are having an overall negative effect on our economy.
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Gus Mon, Jun 21, 2010 3:15:12pm |
re: #241 Amory Blaine
Even if you take the humanity component out of it, massive foreclosures are having an overall negative effect on our economy.
And still no a lick of financial reform from the Hill. It’s being ignored because the financial institutions (who in large part created this mess) affect legislation by way of whom they finance when election time comes around. The GOP has been instrumental in blocking legislation. However, that kind of reform can’t really alleviate the damage that has already been done.
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Four More Tears Mon, Jun 21, 2010 3:17:31pm |
re: #242 Gus 802
And still no a lick of financial reform from the Hill. It’s being ignored because the financial institutions (who in large part created this mess) affect legislation by way of whom they finance when election time comes around. The GOP has been instrumental in blocking legislation. However, that kind of reform can’t really alleviate the damage that has already been done.
Thank heavens those institutions can no longer be limited in their campaign spending so they might have fair representation for a change.
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Gus Mon, Jun 21, 2010 3:18:27pm |
re: #243 JasonA
Thank heavens those institutions can no longer be limited in their campaign spending so they might have fair representation for a change.
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Citizens United! Bend over Teabaggers!
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Varek Raith Mon, Jun 21, 2010 3:24:59pm |
LOLOLOLOLOL
Learn the right words Varek.
Stupid.
XD
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Mon, Jun 21, 2010 3:29:41pm |
re: #242 Gus 802
And still no a lick of financial reform from the Hill. It’s being ignored because the financial institutions (who in large part created this mess) affect legislation by way of whom they finance when election time comes around. The GOP has been instrumental in blocking legislation. However, that kind of reform can’t really alleviate the damage that has already been done.
Did we mention that the GOP are the paid whores of monied interests in this nation yet on this thread? I am not trying to say that the Dems are lesser prostitutes, merely pointing out that they service different johns.
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celticdragon Mon, Jun 21, 2010 3:36:12pm |
re: #234 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
If they were capable of it, the Necrons would be laughing as they begin phasing onto your ship.
Plasma weapons are very effective for dealing with that…
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Kragar Mon, Jun 21, 2010 3:42:26pm |
re: #247 celticdragon
Plasma weapons are very effective for dealing with that…
Won’t put them down for good though. They’ll still get a chance to come back from that.
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Political Atheist Mon, Jun 21, 2010 3:49:37pm |
re: #246 LudwigVanQuixote
Thanks for fighting the good fight.
This one is for you. It’s an older shot I got a few years ago, shot at the same facility I have worked at.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jun 21, 2010 4:23:03pm |
re: #184 Dragon_Lady
Ya know I have no prob with people using food stamps. But I draw the line at seeing women who have chauffeurs waiting and wearing mink coats with huge diamond rings on with diamond earrings on using them! And YES! I have seen just that! Boy was I pissed! I just looked at her and said “You’re welcome” as she finished with her order. She stuck her nose up and walked out like a Queen afraid to acknowledge a serf. Gerrr that really pissed me off! Talk about milking the system!
I have never in my life seen a woman in mink and diamonds at the grocery store, let alone using food stamps.
This must be an LA thing.
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Amory Blaine Mon, Jun 21, 2010 4:24:18pm |
re: #251 SanFranciscoZionist
Hmmmm..Sounds fishy to me.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jun 21, 2010 4:24:29pm |
re: #197 albusteve
that was before 1/2 the population were CAs fleeing their own man made hell…same thing can be said for NM
‘Man-made hell’? (Looks out window nervously.) It’s…OK…here…really.
The birds are singing.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Mon, Jun 21, 2010 4:27:53pm |
re: #249 Rightwingconspirator
Thanks for fighting the good fight.
This one is for you. It’s an older shot I got a few years ago, shot at the same facility I have worked at.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]
Here would be my symbol for it. The angry porpoise, personifies natural laws and cause and effect. It brings a layer of unreality to it and it allows us to believe falsely that mother nature is a nice lady who can be bargained with.
The reality is that physics doesn’t care if you live or die. You get enough calories and water per day or you perish. You live in the correct temperatures for your body or you perish.
A much better image for AGW is the following
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Ojoe Mon, Jun 21, 2010 4:31:43pm |
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Surabaya Stew Mon, Jun 21, 2010 4:36:20pm |
This Ms. Angle is clearly not thinking about the “little people” she claims to want to serve. I was unemployed between May 2009 and April 2010. That’s 11 months. Without that $405 + $25 in benifits, I would have defaulted on my student loans and credit cards, after my 401k was tapped and my savings ran out. (Not to mention all other kinds of personal recriminations and feelings of shame.) Being in a position where I wasn’t flat-dead broke, being able to avoid begging my parents for money (for suriving, not paying loans beyond their means to pay), and being able to keep my retitement fund mostly intact was well worth the cost to society, IMHO. In addition, it justifies my paying taxes the entire time I was working! Why take taxes if government isn’t going to help its citizens in their hour of need?
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BongCrodny Mon, Jun 21, 2010 4:40:09pm |
Howdy, all ~~
Been lurking a while, but the topic at hand is of some relevance to my personal situation, so I thought I’d add to the mix.
I’m on unemployment for the first time since 1981. Unemployment compensation in the D.C. area (no dependents) is $359, with a $25 stimulus “bonus” added. It works out to a bit under $1,600 per month, and will be about $1,450 once the $25 runs its course.
I rent a one-bedroom apartment in Northern Virginia that is somewhere in the middle, quality-wise, at roughly $1,300 per month, before electricity and gas.
I’ve eaten so much Rice-a-roni in the past four months I’m changing my middle name to “vermicelli.” The 401(k), never much to speak of, is a memory.
I’m set to move back to Maine because I can’t afford to stay down here while unemployed. I’m 53 years old, with a good work history and good references (well…I think they’re good references, but who knows?) and today is the first time in four months that I got a callback for an interview.
…and so, at least for one day, all is right with the world — relatively speaking, of course.
I would much rather be working than collecting unemployment, but I’m really glad it’s available. I’m not interested in taking unemployment for a ride, but I think everybody wins if I’m earning and paying taxes at or near the $30/hr level than if I’m paying taxes on a $7.50 job retailing somewhere.
Anyone who can figure out how to support a cushy lifestyle on unemployment is somebody that should be getting paid to be a financial consultant.
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Amory Blaine Mon, Jun 21, 2010 4:42:46pm |
re: #257 BongCrodny
Sorry for your bad luck but glad to meet ya.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Jun 21, 2010 4:43:52pm |
re: #184 Dragon_Lady
Ya know I have no prob with people using food stamps. But I draw the line at seeing women who have chauffeurs waiting and wearing mink coats with huge diamond rings on with diamond earrings on using them! And YES! I have seen just that! Boy was I pissed! I just looked at her and said “You’re welcome” as she finished with her order. She stuck her nose up and walked out like a Queen afraid to acknowledge a serf. Gerrr that really pissed me off! Talk about milking the system!
I have never seen such a thing in my life, and I constantly had to use food stamps as part of my health care job (the clients at our group home got them, so we’d use them up before the house’s budget for food)
Then again, I’ve also never seen a single person at a grocery store in my life with a chauffer waiting or a mink coat. Where do you live?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Jun 21, 2010 4:44:39pm |
re: #253 SanFranciscoZionist
‘Man-made hell’? (Looks out window nervously.) It’s…OK…here…really.
The birds are singing.
I get so tired of the psycho anti-California talk. Le sigh.
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Sionainn Mon, Jun 21, 2010 4:49:32pm |
re: #257 BongCrodny
Anyone who can figure out how to support a cushy lifestyle on unemployment is somebody that should be getting paid to be a financial consultant.
Exactly right. I’m in Las Vegas, unemployment capital of the country. My friend’s husband lost his job and they couldn’t survive on unemployment. Both of them have tried finding work doing anything. She finally got an on-call job with strange hours (she has a 5-year-old son), usually doesn’t work 40 hours a week, and she can’t pay her mortgage with what she makes in a month. Her husband has tried finding work here as well as in other states, even trying to get even a lower paying job, to no avail. Sharron Angle is clueless.
I also want to know what she did in the legislature to bring jobs to this state since that is apparently is apparently the legislator’s job, not a U.S. senator. I hope Harry Reid uses her words against her (again) when she tries to say that Harry Reid hasn’t brought any jobs to Nevada.
I hope things start looking up for you.
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nines09 Mon, Jun 21, 2010 5:36:34pm |
Another horse toothed jackass who has it all figured out. See? Wasn’t that easy?
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Jaerik Mon, Jun 21, 2010 6:11:12pm |
re: #251 SanFranciscoZionist
I have never in my life seen a woman in mink and diamonds at the grocery store, let alone using food stamps.
This must be an LA thing.
Never seen it down here, either. How exactly would someone get food stamps in the first place, wearing mink? I’m pretty sure they do a fairly exhaustive check of your means before they hand the stuff out. A friend of mine who’s legitimately poor had to furnish a pretty intense amount of paperwork to prove he actually was, before they would even process him.
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Vambo Mon, Jun 21, 2010 6:35:14pm |
re: #41 webevintage
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Unemployment, food stamps and such help keep people in their homes and fed. It also keeps these people as consumers and we want people to keep buying stuff.
ding ding ding!!!
I don’t understand how food riots, crime and everything that comes with widespread homelessness is preferable to (gasp!) someone watching Oprah on the government’s dime… which, btw, as others have said, nobody is doing.
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Decatur Deb Mon, Jun 21, 2010 6:41:46pm |
re: #257 BongCrodny
Hang with it, the employment numbers really are (slowly) getting better.
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BongCrodny Mon, Jun 21, 2010 9:27:50pm |
Thanks for the warm welcome, all.
I’ll likely disappear back into the shadows, since the left side of the spectrum is well represented here — but now that I’m registered, I’m sure I’ll pop out from time to time to add my 1.5 cents’ worth.
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Muadib Mon, Jun 21, 2010 10:40:02pm |
re: #2 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Given her current track record, I predict we’ll be getting her “fuck the minorities” speech about the second week of July.
There are no minorities. We are ALL Americans, or a indecipherable morass of brainless idiots.
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dmon Tue, Jun 22, 2010 3:52:25am |
I had a conversation with my daughter-in-law a while back. She told me she qualifies for WIC but wont take it because she is ashamed. I told her that SHE shouldn’t be ashamed at all.
We should all be ashamed that my son and all like him, while fighting in Afghanistan, are payed a salary so low, that she qualifies for WIC. I’m sure Sharon would say that they are spoiled too.
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acacia Tue, Jun 22, 2010 8:54:15am |
The disconnect with real people’s problems is astounding. Along with BP CEO looking out for the “small” people, the thinking of some people is beyond belief. I don’t wish unemployment on anyone. To imply that the unemployed are somehow part of the problem is sickening.
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