Amazon Kindle Slugs It Out with the Barnes and Noble Nook

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Today Amazon slashed the price of their excellent Kindle wireless ebook reader by $70 (from $259 to $189), as they play for keeps in a price war with the Barnes and Noble Nook, just reduced from $259 to $199 (3G version). (They’re both probably feeling some heat from the Apple iPad, too.)

I still highly recommend the Kindle, even compared to an iPad. The comparison isn’t really apt, to begin with, because the iPad is a fantastic gadget that does much more than read ebooks. But if you’re interested in a dedicated reading device the Kindle has some real advantages. It’s much lighter than an iPad and more comfortable to hold for longer reading sessions, the e-ink display is easier on the eyes, and the ergonomically placed buttons and real (if tiny) keyboard make it much easier to page through books and search for stuff.

The Kindle is nicely optimized for doing one thing: reading comfortably. With the included 3G wireless connection (no contracts) and global coverage, the very large catalog of ebooks at Amazon, and the cross-platform apps that let you read Kindle books on many different devices (including the iPad!), the new price makes it even more attractive.

Previously at LGF:
Review: Amazon Kindle
The Kindle 2 Review
Barnes and Noble Announces the Nook

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447 comments
1 Kragar  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:31:02pm

Who run eBook reader town?

2 lawhawk  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:33:10pm

First one to give it away to me for free wins (between Amazon, BN, iPad or other entrant). After all, if you can afford to give it away and get me paying for the apps (or books), then you’ve won.

3 EdDantes  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:37:01pm

I logged off on the previous thread but I love my Kindle: A library in my hand. I am now reading the Count of Monte Cristo (hence my Nic) and the Kindle is just as Charles has characterized it.

4 ryannon  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:42:35pm

re: #1 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Who run eBook reader town?

Same guy who blow up da Owl.

5 RurouniKenshin  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:42:58pm

And of course don’t forget the Amazon Kindle app ecosystem, with Kindle for PC & Mac, iPhone/iPad, BlackBerry, and soon Kindle for Android—and all of these sync with your current Amazon account, each other, and the Kindle itself, if you have one.

6 darthstar  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:44:17pm

The problem with all of these eReaders is that churches now have to get a hazardous materials permit for their book burnings.

7 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:44:30pm

The iPhone OS4 update was released today too.

Installing it now, but with a great sadness, because my iPhone 3G is already outdated and can’t multitask or use an external keyboard. They’re forcing me to upgrade to an iPhone 4, the bastards.

8 EdDantes  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:46:11pm

re: #6 darthstar

That was a gratuitous shot (but upding worthy).

9 darthstar  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:49:47pm

re: #8 EdDantes

That was a gratuitous shot (but upding worthy).

This is the internet. It is, by definition, gratuitous.
:)

10 Kragar  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:50:19pm

Adversting rule 1) convince people there is a need for the product

11 researchok  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:51:05pm

re: #7 Charles

The iPhone OS4 update was released today too.

Installing it now, but with a great sadness, because my iPhone 3G is already outdated and can’t multitask or use an external keyboard. They’re forcing me to upgrade to an iPhone 4, the bastards.

It’s a conspiracy.

12 Nimed  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:51:21pm

I hope that reading is an afterthought for people who consider buying an iPad. There’s just no comparison (unless you want to read mostly pdf files with colored images or comic books).

13 ReamWorks SKG  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:51:40pm

I have a Kindle and an iPad. I prefer to read on the Kindle.

14 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:52:15pm

re: #7 Charles

Installing it now, but with a great sadness, because my iPhone 3G is already outdated and can’t multitask or use an external keyboard. They’re forcing me to upgrade to an iPhone 4, the bastards.

“Mwahahahaha.”
-Steve Jobs

15 webevintage  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:56:42pm

re: #5 RurouniKenshin

And of course don’t forget the Amazon Kindle app ecosystem, with Kindle for PC & Mac, iPhone/iPad, BlackBerry, and soon Kindle for Android—and all of these sync with your current Amazon account, each other, and the Kindle itself, if you have one.

I LOVE the Kindle app for my Ipod Touch it really is wonderful. I thought the screen would be too small for reading, but when I hold it horizontally the type and page width is almost the same as a paperback. Mostly I’ve used it to buy books the moment they come out that I can not wait to get my grubby hands on. and it is very easy for my hands to hold.

Also downloaded a bunch of PG Woodhouse

16 Kragar  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:57:15pm

re: #14 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

“Mwahahahaha.”
-Steve Jobs

I honestly believe they sit down and plan these things.

“OK guys, we’ve got 30 new features developed, some which only work fully with the full package. We’ll release 2 or 3 every 6 months, list them as upgrades, and end up being able to get the overall long term price up 300%.”

17 boredtechindenver  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 1:57:27pm

re: #7 Charles

The iPhone OS4 update was released today too.

Installing it now, but with a great sadness, because my iPhone 3G is already outdated and can’t multitask or use an external keyboard. They’re forcing me to upgrade to an iPhone 4, the bastards.

Feel for me. I have a 1st gen iPhone. No iOS 4 update for me.

Re: Kindle vs other readers, I have both the Kindle and iPad. Kindle is great for reading in the tub. Just put it in a 1 gallon ziploc bag, use some tape to fold the excess bag around the back of the kindle, and you don’t have to worry about dropping it in the tub. I am not going to try that with my iPad. The only thing big plus for reading Kindle books on iPad vs Kindle is the ease of clicking on footnotes. I have Bill Simmons’ The Book of Basketball: The NBA According to The Sports Guy on both and it makes heavy use of footnotes. Whispersync is the bomb though, across iPad, laptop, iPhone and Kindle.

18 Donna Ballard  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 2:01:08pm

re: #2 lawhawk

First one to give it away to me for free wins (between Amazon, BN, iPad or other entrant). After all, if you can afford to give it away and get me paying for the apps (or books), then you’ve won.

I’m with you lawhawk! I want an ipad but if someone gave me an Kindle or Nook I’d put off getting the ipad! I read like a fish swim through water and my library has RWC gnashing his teeth every time I buy a new book.

19 darthstar  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 2:01:55pm

Where the iPhone 4 will be in two weeks.

20 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 2:03:08pm

re: #16 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

People have 50 year old refrigerators in their houses that still work. They are designed to fail after ten years now.

“Mwahahaha.”
-Jack Welch

21 Kragar  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 2:03:14pm

re: #19 darthstar

Where the iPhone 4 will be in two weeks.

Why bother with opening a case and simply upgrading a card or replacing a burned out component when you can scrap the whole thing and start fresh?

22 albusteve  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 2:04:34pm

re: #21 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Why bother with opening a case and simply upgrading a card or replacing a burned out component when you can scrap the whole thing and start fresh?

think carbon!

23 ryannon  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 2:04:36pm

re: #19 darthstar

Where the iPhone 4 will be in two weeks.

Will it embiggen my cormulant?

24 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 2:05:08pm

re: #18 Dragon_Lady

I’m with you lawhawk! I want an ipad but if someone gave me an Kindle or Nook I’d put off getting the ipad! I read like a fish swim through water and my library has RWC gnashing his teeth every time I buy a new book.

I returned a book today that my wife bought, and returned it with an exact, word for word duplicate I found at the library.

$21.45… right back in my wallet…

25 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 2:05:32pm

re: #24 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I returned a book today that my wife bought, and returned replaced it with an exact, word for word duplicate I found at the library.

$21.45… right back in my wallet…

26 Political Atheist  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 2:06:04pm

re: #18 Dragon_Lady

One big flaw here-the prices are hard cover prices. Our cost per book would go way up!

27 Kragar  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 2:06:40pm

re: #22 albusteve

think carbon!

Well, there is a lot of carbon scoring on those droids…

28 Donna Ballard  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 2:06:54pm

re: #26 Rightwingconspirator

One big flaw here-the prices are hard cover prices. Our cost per book would go way up!

Probably… Just my luck!

29 Joo-LiZ  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 2:07:13pm

Is it too early to go off topic?

Ah, the heck with it.

Sorry for the early-thread OT:

An FB friend just linked to a new website which has some fascinating graphic images to put the Israeli-Palestinian conflict in perspective.

So far, there are only 3 posts up, but they are interesting to see. The first deals with the UN Security Council Resolutions versus the number of actual deaths in various conflicts world wide, the second has to do with the number of Qassam rockets fired from Gaza as time goes on (from 2003-after Operation Cast Lead), and the third is an image showing how the security barrier in the West Bank directly impacted the amount of suicide bombings in Israel.

It’s one thing to read the statistics and know the facts. It’s another to see the relative scale of the conflicts as shown there. (I know similar things have been done before, but these ones are particularly good).

30 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 2:10:49pm

I’m gonna’ wait for the iPhone23

31 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 2:11:16pm

I persist in buying paper books.

A friend in the used book business explained how the internet has changed the business. It has reduced the value of fairly popular used books, since the buyer now has the whole world supply to choose from rather than just the copies that might be available locally.

Rare and high value books, however, are more expensive now, since the seller has every potential customer in the world to offer them to, and not just the few local collectors who might be interested.

Contrary to some early fears, the net has not killed off local booksellers either, since they can go on the net just as easily as the biggies.

32 Kragar  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 2:12:00pm

re: #30 MandyManners

I’m gonna’ wait for the iPhone23

Just wait until Congress madates wireless cranial ports directly linking us to the Machine Overmind.

33 What, me worry?  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 2:12:42pm

I ♥ Kindle

I think I need a bumpersticker.

34 albusteve  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 2:13:22pm

re: #32 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Just wait until Congress madates wireless cranial ports directly linking us to the Machine Overmind.

already happened for about half the voters in this country…and the other half are rushing to catch up

35 albusteve  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 2:13:59pm

re: #33 marjoriemoon

I ♥ Kindle

I think I need a bumpersticker.

forget it…save a tree instead

36 What, me worry?  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 2:15:00pm

re: #35 albusteve

forget it…save a tree instead

Oh that’s right… but if it’s on a hybrid??

Ok, what about my bicycle?

37 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 2:15:37pm

re: #36 marjoriemoon

download a copy of a book to your printer and save a hard copy.

38 Reginald Perrin  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 2:15:54pm

re: #30 MandyManners

I’m gonna’ wait for the iPhone23

You wouldn’t have to wait if you would have watched J D Hayworth’s 2007 infomercial.

Youtube Video


“Free government money you never have to pay back”
39 What, me worry?  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 2:16:02pm

re: #37 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

download a copy of a book to your printer and save a hard copy.

lol Kinda defeats the purpose, no?

My hubby is quite excited. He figured out how to post from Kindle to Facebook, although I haven’t gotten all that techy yet.

40 wrenchwench  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 2:16:19pm

re: #31 Shiplord Kirel

I have a friend who sorts donated books for the local library. I put in requests, he delivers them. If I want to keep it, I give him a buck (or sometimes more). If not (sometimes after reading it) I just give it back. Of course, I often don’t get what I ask for, but I always have a good supply of reading material, cheap.

41 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 2:17:39pm

re: #29 Joo-LiZ

Is it too early to go off topic?

Ah, the heck with it.

Sorry for the early-thread OT:

An FB friend just linked to a new website which has some fascinating graphic images to put the Israeli-Palestinian conflict in perspective.

So far, there are only 3 posts up, but they are interesting to see. The first deals with the UN Security Council Resolutions versus the number of actual deaths in various conflicts world wide, the second has to do with the number of Qassam rockets fired from Gaza as time goes on (from 2003-after Operation Cast Lead), and the third is an image showing how the security barrier in the West Bank directly impacted the amount of suicide bombings in Israel.

It’s one thing to read the statistics and know the facts. It’s another to see the relative scale of the conflicts as shown there. (I know similar things have been done before, but these ones are particularly good).

Book-marked under my link to UN Watch.

42 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 2:19:37pm

re: #36 marjoriemoon

Oh that’s right… but if it’s on a hybrid??

Ok, what about my bicycle?

Rubber requires industrial production which requires electricity. So does the metal that makes the bike. So, slap it on your butt and walk!

43 wrenchwench  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 2:19:59pm

re: #29 Joo-LiZ

Excellent graphs!

44 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 2:20:18pm

re: #32 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Just wait until Congress madates wireless cranial ports directly linking us to the Machine Overmind.

It’s a conspiracy!

45 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 2:21:01pm

re: #38 Reginald Perrin

Free money!

46 researchok  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 2:21:50pm

re: #31 Shiplord Kirel

I persist in buying paper books.

A friend in the used book business explained how the internet has changed the business. It has reduced the value of fairly popular used books, since the buyer now has the whole world supply to choose from rather than just the copies that might be available locally.

Rare and high value books, however, are more expensive now, since the seller has every potential customer in the world to offer them to, and not just the few local collectors who might be interested.

Contrary to some early fears, the net has not killed off local booksellers either, since they can go on the net just as easily as the biggies.

Have you seen this? Bookfree.

47 What, me worry?  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 2:24:16pm

re: #42 MandyManners

Rubber requires industrial production which requires electricity. So does the metal that makes the bike. So, slap it on your butt and walk!

Hmpfh… are you saying my arse is wide enough for a bumpersticker?

Well I never.

Ok, maybe once.

48 Donna Ballard  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 2:25:13pm

BBL Lizardettes and Lizards! Keep Laughing!

49 What, me worry?  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 2:26:05pm

re: #29 Joo-LiZ

It’s very good. The visual effect is always better and your friend has done a great job. Will definitely come back to it again.

50 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 2:27:43pm

re: #47 marjoriemoon

Hmpfh… are you saying my arse is wide enough for a bumpersticker?

Well I never.

Ok, maybe once.

We had a busy-body lady in church when I was growing up who liked to say, “Well! I never!” One day my best friend cracked, “Well, maybe you oughta’!” Cue the CBF and the hairy eyeball.

51 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 2:27:52pm

Plus an entire county in Florida, I forget which one, has stopped issuing it’s highschool students textbooks and started issueing them Kindles instead. The Kindle costs far less than the hardcover textbooks apparently and the teacher can wirelessly send them lesson plans updates instead of printing them out. I’d love to more of that kind of the embrace of technology happen, less trees cut down and less waste…

52 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 2:29:17pm

How does one burn a Kindle or Nook?

53 ryannon  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 2:29:26pm

Steal This Book

54 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 2:30:01pm

Gotta’ feed the horde.

55 albusteve  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 2:33:08pm

re: #53 ryannon

Steal This Book

one of Bill Ayres best friends, who is one of BOs best friends…heh, small world

56 Kragar  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 2:35:38pm

Was just reading that Fallout: New Vegas should be out later this year.

57 Four More Tears  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 2:37:39pm

re: #56 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Was just reading that Fallout: New Vegas should be out later this year.

Are you saying that Sharron Angle’s gonna win?

/

58 Kragar  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 2:40:21pm

re: #57 JasonA

Are you saying that Sharron Angle’s gonna win?

/

HEY-OH!!!

59 Kragar  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 2:41:35pm

Fallout: New Vegas Trailer

[Link: www.youtube.com…]

60 albusteve  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 2:42:27pm

re: #57 JasonA

Are you saying that Sharron Angle’s gonna win?

/

deposing Harry would be priceless, even for a TPer…I’d rather have Angle as a freshman congressman if Harry is deposed…I think that’s the idea here

61 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 2:47:05pm

re: #56 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Was just reading that Fallout: New Vegas should be out later this year.

Do want *_*

Of course it’ll come out and I’ll forget all about it because I’ll still be obsessed with Forza 3…

62 Four More Tears  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 2:47:06pm

re: #60 albusteve

deposing Harry would be priceless, even for a TPer…I’d rather have Angle as a freshman congressman if Harry is deposed…I think that’s the idea here

?

Whatever, man. I’ll take ineffectual and incompetent over batshit insane any day of the week.

63 Kragar  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 2:48:29pm

re: #61 WindUpBird

Do want *_*

Of course it’ll come out and I’ll forget all about it because I’ll still be obsessed with Forza 3…

Now I want to play some Fallout 3 again.

64 albusteve  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 2:49:47pm

re: #62 JasonA

?

Whatever, man. I’ll take ineffectual and incompetent over batshit insane any day of the week.

well then you should be happy with our state of affairs then…I’ll take your alternative considering the circumstances I posted

65 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 2:50:00pm

re: #57 JasonA

Are you saying that Sharron Angle’s gonna win?

/

Polls still show her slightly ahead or at least even with Reid, even discounting Rasmussen which of course shows her way ahead, but they always show Republicans way ahead of reality. Apparently she still has a real chance of winning, if either one of her opponents in the primary had won Harry Reid would have no chance of winning, all the polls showed them far out in front of Reid.

All the “Tea Party” has done by giving Angle the win in the primary for the GOP is to give Reid a fighting chance of winning. The more Angle talks though the better chance Reid will have, let’s hope she keeps her mouth flapping.

66 Four More Tears  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 2:50:43pm

re: #63 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Now I want to play some Fallout 3 again.

Have you ever played it with FOOK2? Adds a lot of nice stuff to the game like new weapons.

[Link: www.yourfook.com…]

67 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 2:50:43pm

re: #60 albusteve

deposing Harry would be priceless, even for a TPer…I’d rather have Angle as a freshman congressman if Harry is deposed…I think that’s the idea here

Angle would actually hurt the GOP brand, which means that we agree! I’d love to see Angle in congress, it’d be a hilarious trainwreck and drive more moderates away from the GOP as they realize there’s one more anti Social Security, anti-Medicare, anti AGW, anti flouridation psycho representing Republicans everywhere!

68 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 2:51:30pm

Turkish taffy-pull alert:

Turkish Army Using Israeli-Built Drones
Istanbul, Turkey (CNN) — Despite an epic rift in Turkish-Israeli relations, Turkey’s top general announced his troops are relying on new unmanned aerial drones recently purchased from Israel to battle Kurdish rebels.
[Link: www.cnn.com…]
69 albusteve  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 2:51:46pm

re: #67 WindUpBird

Angle would actually hurt the GOP brand, which means that we agree! I’d love to see Angle in congress, it’d be a hilarious trainwreck and drive more moderates away from the GOP as they realize there’s one more anti Social Security, anti-Medicare, anti AGW, anti flouridation psycho representing Republicans everywhere!

not me, if it costs Reid his job…such a bargain, too good to pass up

70 Four More Tears  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 2:52:54pm

re: #69 albusteve

not me, if it costs Reid his job…such a bargain, too good to pass up

Bargain? I call it cutting off your nose to spite your face, but oh well.

71 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 2:52:59pm

Lol Sharon Angle:

In an interview with Liberty Watch magazine, Angle expressed her opposition to legalizing marijuana, and added: “I feel the same about legalizing alcohol.”

“The effect on society is so great that I’m just not a real proponent of legalizing any drug or encouraging any drug abuse,” Angle said. “I’m elected by the people to protect, and I think that law should protect.”

LIBERTEH CHIKENS!!!!

72 albusteve  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 2:53:46pm

re: #70 JasonA

Bargain? I call it cutting off your nose to spite your face, but oh well.

you would because you have to…swapping Reid for some first year ditz is a great deal

73 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 2:54:15pm

re: #65 ausador

Polls still show her slightly ahead or at least even with Reid, even discounting Rasmussen which of course shows her way ahead, but they always show Republicans way ahead of reality. Apparently she still has a real chance of winning, if either one of her opponents in the primary had won Harry Reid would have no chance of winning, all the polls showed them far out in front of Reid.

All the “Tea Party” has done by giving Angle the win in the primary for the GOP is to give Reid a fighting chance of winning. The more Angle talks though the better chance Reid will have, let’s hope she keeps her mouth flapping.

That’s a winner. You have to have a complete looney wingnut running against Harry in order for Harry to win. Doesn’t say shit about Reid… does it.

That’s funny… and pathetic.

74 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 2:54:52pm

re: #69 albusteve

not me, if it costs Reid his job…such a bargain, too good to pass up

So basically, I get to get Reid out (I don’t like Reid) and I get a Republican nutjob who is more radical and ridiculous than anyone else in congress, that will help the GOP become as irrelevant as the Whigs?

Done and done!

75 freetoken  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 2:55:32pm

A newly published report on another partial skeleton of Australopithecus afarensis today:

New hominid moves back date of walking upright

which informs us that Lucy’s species was walking upright at least 400,000 years before her.

Anyway, the Fox News version of this story:

3.6-Million-Year-Old Fossil Expands Human Family Tree has as 6 of its first 7 comments:


skatawandi
Virginia

And WHY are intelligent people still discussing evolution? EVOLUTION IS IMPOSSIBLE! And here is the cold, hard, non-partial, unbiased math to prove it. Did you know the probability for one protein to have evolved is 10 to the 75th power. Cool huh? Did you know that you need 60,000 proteins in 100 different configurations just for ONE simple cell? That means that the probability for ONE SIMPLE CELL to evolve is 10 to the ready? 4,478,296 power. That is a BIT of a problem. Did you know the number when something stops being statistically possible and becomes statistically IMPOSSIBLE? The number is 10 to the 150th power. So, for a simple cell to have happened by chance is statistically impossible by a POWER of 4,478,146. Face the fact: evolution is IMPOSSIBLE.

Monday, June 21, 2010 at 2:22 PM


—-

Emily Shelley

I’m sure the age is closer to 3.6 thousand years; not millions. Radiometric dating is so flawed because of the premises that it is based on, i.e. gradualism, and assuming the absence of catostrophic interruptions in the normal rate of elemental degeneration.

Monday, June 21, 2010 at 2:06 PM


—-

Jason Casey

What a load of crock. Every week they come out with ‘the oldest known fossils of man’ and the writer attributes this as the grandfather of Lucy. Far as I can remember, Lucy was already dis-proven to be nothing more than pig bones. Next thing they are going to tell us is that the moon really has green cheese on it.

Monday, June 21, 2010 at 2:06 PM



—-

cubefarmer
Utah

Wonder if it’s yet another hoax…

Monday, June 21, 2010 at 1:59 PM


—-

paradiselost79

more lies spread by the media. to believe that we came from chimps is pure idiocy, as well as spitting in God’s face

Monday, June 21, 2010 at 1:58 PM


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rhedhed
Mississippi

Ha ha ha ha, ho ho. All those kids taught that evolution was one thing, have to be retaught… ha ha ha.

Monday, June 21, 2010 at 1:58 PM

What can I say…

The strong correlation between creationism and wingnuttia is not without cause.

76 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 2:55:46pm

re: #29 Joo-LiZ

Is it too early to go off topic?

Ah, the heck with it.

Sorry for the early-thread OT:

An FB friend just linked to a new website which has some fascinating graphic images to put the Israeli-Palestinian conflict in perspective.

So far, there are only 3 posts up, but they are interesting to see. The first deals with the UN Security Council Resolutions versus the number of actual deaths in various conflicts world wide, the second has to do with the number of Qassam rockets fired from Gaza as time goes on (from 2003-after Operation Cast Lead), and the third is an image showing how the security barrier in the West Bank directly impacted the amount of suicide bombings in Israel.

It’s one thing to read the statistics and know the facts. It’s another to see the relative scale of the conflicts as shown there. (I know similar things have been done before, but these ones are particularly good).

Using Soviet statistics is kind of outdated.

77 albusteve  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 2:55:48pm

re: #73 Walter L. Newton

That’s a winner. You have to have a complete looney wingnut running against Harry in order for Harry to win. Doesn’t say shit about Reid… does it.

That’s funny… and pathetic.

exaxctly…either she has juice or she doesn’t…if not then what’s the big deal, Harry will blow her out right?….right?
hahaha!

78 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 2:55:53pm

re: #67 WindUpBird

Angle would actually hurt the GOP brand, which means that we agree! I’d love to see Angle in congress, it’d be a hilarious trainwreck and drive more moderates away from the GOP as they realize there’s one more anti Social Security, anti-Medicare, anti AGW, anti flouridation psycho representing Republicans everywhere!

Uhh, because Michele Bachmann and Luap Nor have so severely damaged the GOP party brand? There is still plenty of room for more Wingnuts in Congress, the fringe base loves it, and they also go out and vote, every single slightly detached from reality one of them…

79 avanti  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 2:56:00pm

Interesting comments from the Gulf paymaster:

“The top message is the message conveyed to me by the president,” Feinberg said. ” … We want to get these claims out quicker. We want to get these claims out with more transparency.” He said people can file electronically for relief, if they wish, and they need not hire a lawyer. He also said he believes that “when a person comes in and asks for emergency assistance, they shouldn’t have to keep coming back,” suggesting lump-sum emergency payments.

Asked how officials can guard against false claims, Feinberg said he didn’t think that would be a major problem, and said that in the 9/11 experience, there were only a handful of such claims. He did say there could be an issue involving claimants who say they were indirectly harmed by the spill, such as a Boston restaurateur theoretically arguing that his business was hurt by the inability to bring shrimp in from the Gulf.

In such instances, Feinberg said, officials might have to resort to whatever existing state law says on that issue.

In another interview, he said, “The emergency payments going out under my watch do not require that any claimant give up rights to litigate or go forward in court … If you want to litigate, go ahead.”

But he added that he considers that “very unwise,” because it could take years to resolve the issue that way.

“The emergency payments are without any conditions,” Feinberg said.

gulf.

80 Four More Tears  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 2:56:14pm

re: #74 WindUpBird

So basically, I get to get Reid out (I don’t like Reid) and I get a Republican nutjob who is more radical and ridiculous than anyone else in congress, that will help the GOP become as irrelevant as the Whigs?

Done and done!

Um… you’re doing this partisan thing all wrong. The point is to keep them from winning elections…

81 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 2:56:35pm

re: #73 Walter L. Newton

That’s a winner. You have to have a complete looney wingnut running against Harry in order for Harry to win. Doesn’t say shit about Reid… does it.

That’s funny… and pathetic.

Oh, Reid sucks. In my wildest dreams I would love to see Reid go, Angle be elected as a one termer and just provide endless hilarious soundbites, then be replaced by a stronger Democrat than Reid. That would be genius.

82 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 2:56:43pm

re: #75 freetoken

A newly published report on another partial skeleton of Australopithecus afarensis today:

New hominid moves back date of walking upright

which informs us that Lucy’s species was walking upright at least 400,000 years before her.

Anyway, the Fox News version of this story:

3.6-Million-Year-Old Fossil Expands Human Family Tree has as 6 of its first 7 comments:

What can I say…

The strong correlation between creationism and wingnuttia is not without cause.

And you believe this story?

83 Kragar  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 2:56:44pm

re: #66 JasonA

Have you ever played it with FOOK2? Adds a lot of nice stuff to the game like new weapons.

[Link: www.yourfook.com…]

No, can’t say that I have. Haven’t had time lately. The wife has been bribing me to play WoW again.

84 albusteve  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 2:56:50pm

re: #74 WindUpBird

So basically, I get to get Reid out (I don’t like Reid) and I get a Republican nutjob who is more radical and ridiculous than anyone else in congress, that will help the GOP become as irrelevant as the Whigs?

Done and done!

congress is already radical and ridiculous…that’s a wash

85 Kragar  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 2:57:51pm

re: #75 freetoken

What a bunch of fucking idiots.

86 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 2:58:48pm

re: #78 ausador

Uhh, because Michele Bachmann and Luap Nor have so severely damaged the GOP party brand? There is still plenty of room for more Wingnuts in Congress, the fringe base loves it, and they also go out and vote, every single slightly detached from reality one of them…

We’ll see if they’ve damaged the brand in November. if the GOP doesn’t make huge gains (remember, it’s historical precedent for the opposing party of the President to kick ass in the midterms) then yes, the GOP brand has been severely damaged.

87 HoosierHoops  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 2:58:52pm

re: #74 WindUpBird

So basically, I get to get Reid out (I don’t like Reid) and I get a Republican nutjob who is more radical and ridiculous than anyone else in congress, that will help the GOP become as irrelevant as the Whigs?

Done and done!

LOL Hi windup!
How bad is it that just about any nutjob in the world could beat Reid?
I swear as God is my witness…I could smoke Harry in any election without breaking a sweat…And I can’t stand politics…He is dead meat

88 freetoken  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 2:59:02pm

re: #82 Walter L. Newton

And you believe this story?

Heh.. it’s just “more lies spread by the media”, eh?

89 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 2:59:22pm

re: #84 albusteve

congress is already radical and ridiculous…that’s a wash

Yeah, but you Hate The Fed At All Costs, so you’re not really an objective observer

90 Four More Tears  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 2:59:46pm

re: #87 HoosierHoops

LOL Hi windup!
How bad is it that just about any nutjob in the world could beat Reid?
I swear as God is my witness…I could smoke Harry in any election without breaking a sweat…And I can’t stand politics…He is dead meat

Seen the title of the previous thread?

91 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 3:01:17pm

re: #87 HoosierHoops

LOL Hi windup!
How bad is it that just about any nutjob in the world could beat Reid?
I swear as God is my witness…I could smoke Harry in any election without breaking a sweat…And I can’t stand politics…He is dead meat

Reid is basically one of those fat old tabby cats who just sits there and sleepily loafs on the VCR. He does little, he’s pretty much unable to defend himself, and a competent Republican could have taken him out easily. I’m curious to see how it shakes out, I honestly have no idea where Nevada’s electorate will go, that state is all messed up from the housing crash.

92 HoosierHoops  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 3:01:22pm

re: #90 JasonA

Seen the title of the previous thread?

Cough!
Point taken
But still Jason!

93 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 3:01:31pm

re: #88 freetoken

Heh.. it’s just “more lies spread by the media”, eh?

You linked to a Fox New Report… it’s suspect.

94 albusteve  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 3:01:43pm

so it sounds like the progs now want to wait and see what happens rather than dismiss the GOP entirely….heh…I knew that was coming….if anyone thinks the GOP is irrelevant with their new shoes, you are naive as hell…I happen to feel threatened by the whole gig and others do too….that’s the reasons for all the posts about their craziness….they can win

95 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 3:02:22pm

re: #94 albusteve

so it sounds like the progs now want to wait and see what happens rather than dismiss the GOP entirely…heh…I knew that was coming…if anyone thinks the GOP is irrelevant with their new shoes, you are naive as hell…I happen to feel threatened by the whole gig and others do too…that’s the reasons for all the posts about their craziness…they can win


?

96 albusteve  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 3:02:47pm

re: #89 WindUpBird

Yeah, but you Hate The Fed At All Costs, so you’re not really an objective observer

and you are a prog drooler so you don’t count as partisan and objective either

97 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 3:02:50pm

re: #73 Walter L. Newton

That’s a winner. You have to have a complete looney wingnut running against Harry in order for Harry to win. Doesn’t say shit about Reid… does it.

That’s funny… and pathetic.

I just report on the facts, you have to decide what they mean…

/// :p

98 Four More Tears  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 3:03:09pm

re: #92 HoosierHoops

Cough!
Point taken
But still Jason!

The woman’s doing just about everything she possibly can to lose this short of a dead girl or a live boy…

Or do we have to reverse that with female candidates??

99 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 3:04:06pm

re: #96 albusteve

and you are a prog drooler so you don’t count as partisan and objective either

yeah, that’s me, because I totally have never voted for a Republican ever

oh wait I have, well there goes steve and his very serious assessment

100 Four More Tears  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 3:04:53pm

re: #96 albusteve

and you are a prog drooler so you don’t count as partisan and objective either

Van Helsing? That you?

101 researchok  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 3:05:46pm

re: #93 Walter L. Newton

You linked to a Fox New Report… it’s suspect.

Feel better:

102 freetoken  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 3:06:34pm

re: #93 Walter L. Newton

You linked to a Fox New Report… it’s suspect.

I linked to the AP news report via Yahoo. Then I linked to the Fox News version which is credited to the AP, in case anyone wanted to compare the differences. Then I copied 6 of the 7 comments from the Fox News link.

103 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 3:07:03pm

re: #94 albusteve

so it sounds like the progs now want to wait and see what happens rather than dismiss the GOP entirely…heh…I knew that was coming…if anyone thinks the GOP is irrelevant with their new shoes, you are naive as hell…I happen to feel threatened by the whole gig and others do too…that’s the reasons for all the posts about their craziness…they can win

No kidding… you noticed that too. And it’s all the Democrats to loose, which they seem to be setting up nicely to do just that… loose. The administration is flapping in the wind, barely making anyone on the left really happy, the progressives are treating him like a “big oil” sell out, the middle of the party is balking at giving him any more money because they are getting a ton of push back from the hinterlands about their unbridled spending which is not doing anything but making the same old players richer and the unaffiliated voters are trending more and more right of center.

What’s left other than making fun of the easy targets. Don’t matter much, it’s what makes it through the wash that counts.

104 albusteve  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 3:07:39pm

re: #99 WindUpBird

yeah, that’s me, because I totally have never voted for a Republican ever

oh wait I have, well there goes steve and his very serious assessment

say what you want…the TP is here to stay for a while, and that’s as objective as I can get….I’ve never written them off as a political force, and after Newts latest liftoff into the godzone, I’m even more convinced

105 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 3:08:10pm

re: #102 freetoken

I linked to the AP news report via Yahoo. Then I linked to the Fox News version which is credited to the AP, in case anyone wanted to compare the differences. Then I copied 6 of the 7 comments from the Fox News link.

So… you admit it… you linked to big bad Fox News.

106 HoosierHoops  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 3:09:35pm

re: #98 JasonA

The woman’s doing just about everything she possibly can to lose this short of a dead girl or a live boy…

Or do we have to reverse that with female candidates??

HAHA i dunno know!
Truth be told.. Reid is so weak and so lame..That If I run against him never running for office in my life.. I feel there is a better than 50-50 chance I could easily kick his ass in an election.. And you know what? I bet you could do just as well…These folks character have been exposed…

107 avanti  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 3:10:08pm

re: #105 Walter L. Newton

So… you admit it… you linked to big bad Fox News.


Walter loves to play with the toy lizards.

108 albusteve  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 3:10:18pm

re: #103 Walter L. Newton

No kidding… you noticed that too. And it’s all the Democrats to loose, which they seem to be setting up nicely to do just that… loose. The administration is flapping in the wind, barely making anyone on the left really happy, the progressives are treating him like a “big oil” sell out, the middle of the party is balking at giving him any more money because they are getting a ton of push back from the hinterlands about their unbridled spending which is not doing anything but making the same old players richer and the unaffiliated voters are trending more and more right of center.

What’s left other than making fun of the easy targets. Don’t matter much, it’s what makes it through the wash that counts.

yup….trouble in Donktown and regardless of their lunacy the GOP may just clean up nicely…not a prediction, just looking at the situation

109 Nimed  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 3:11:45pm

The GOP is currently dominated by a bunch of loons, but the party has pretty much sucked ass since Ike.

I’m saying this as an extremely concerned registered Republican.

110 freetoken  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 3:12:43pm

re: #105 Walter L. Newton

So… you admit it… you linked to big bad Fox News.

I’ve linked to Fox News many times, even Fox Nation. In most cases to demonstrate what idiots they have for fans.

Don’t quite know what you are getting at…

111 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 3:13:19pm

re: #109 Nimed

The GOP is currently dominated by a bunch of loons, but the party has pretty much sucked ass since Ike.

I’m saying this as an extremely concerned registered Republican.

Yea sure… like I’m not a concerned troll.

112 darthstar  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 3:13:30pm

re: #108 albusteve

yup…trouble in Donktown and regardless of their lunacy the GOP may just clean up nicely…not a prediction, just looking at the situation

The democrats are doomed, Doomed, DOOOMED!!!…it’ll be so much nicer when the Republicans are back in power, deficits don’t matter (again), the environment can kiss OUR asses for a change(again), and we can finally wage pre-emptive war on [your country of choice here]…

Plus, the impeachment of President Obama will be a cake-walk…one black man being judged by all those white Senators? He’s toast!

Bring on the apocalypse!

113 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 3:14:26pm

re: #112 darthstar

The democrats are doomed, Doomed, DOOOMED!!!…it’ll be so much nicer when the Republicans are back in power, deficits don’t matter (again), the environment can kiss OUR asses for a change(again), and we can finally wage pre-emptive war on [your country of choice here]…

Plus, the impeachment of President Obama will be a cake-walk…one black man being judged by all those white Senators? He’s toast!

Bring on the apocalypse!

If I were you… I would go pee in your pants now and then hide.

114 albusteve  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 3:14:39pm

re: #109 Nimed

The GOP is currently dominated by a bunch of loons, but the party has pretty much sucked ass since Ike.

I’m saying this as an extremely concerned registered Republican.

suck ass didn’t prevent BO from getting elected…if he can get elected so can Palin…welcome to AmIdol politics where anything is possible

115 darthstar  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 3:14:42pm

re: #113 Walter L. Newton

If I were you… I would go pee in your pants now and then hide.

Done.

116 darthstar  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 3:15:21pm

re: #114 albusteve

suck ass didn’t prevent BO from getting elected…if he can get elected so can Palin…welcome to AmIdol politics where anything is possible

Suck ass lost to Obama. Get over it.

117 Four More Tears  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 3:15:28pm

re: #114 albusteve

suck ass didn’t prevent BO from getting elected…if he can get elected so can Palin…welcome to AmIdol politics where anything is possible

I’d call your view cynical but that word fails.

118 albusteve  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 3:15:31pm

re: #112 darthstar

The democrats are doomed, Doomed, DOOOMED!!!…it’ll be so much nicer when the Republicans are back in power, deficits don’t matter (again), the environment can kiss OUR asses for a change(again), and we can finally wage pre-emptive war on [your country of choice here]…

Plus, the impeachment of President Obama will be a cake-walk…one black man being judged by all those white Senators? He’s toast!

Bring on the apocalypse!

I’m ready…got my gold, got my seeds

119 albusteve  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 3:16:03pm

re: #117 JasonA

I’d call your view cynical but that word fails.

keep trying…

120 Gus  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 3:17:41pm

re: #75 freetoken

A newly published report on another partial skeleton of Australopithecus afarensis today:

New hominid moves back date of walking upright

which informs us that Lucy’s species was walking upright at least 400,000 years before her.

Anyway, the Fox News version of this story:

3.6-Million-Year-Old Fossil Expands Human Family Tree has as 6 of its first 7 comments:

What can I say…

The strong correlation between creationism and wingnuttia is not without cause.

Reading the comments at Fox News is always good for a laugh. Although, Breitbart does provide them with some stiff competition — especially Breitbart dot tv.

121 Varek Raith  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 3:20:17pm

re: #75 freetoken

A newly published report on another partial skeleton of Australopithecus afarensis today:

New hominid moves back date of walking upright

which informs us that Lucy’s species was walking upright at least 400,000 years before her.

Anyway, the Fox News version of this story:

3.6-Million-Year-Old Fossil Expands Human Family Tree has as 6 of its first 7 comments:

What can I say…

The strong correlation between creationism and wingnuttia is not without cause.

Lol.
Wingnuts.

122 darthstar  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 3:20:19pm

re: #118 albusteve

I’m ready…got my gold, got my seeds

As long as that sack of seeds is for Wildwood weed.

Youtube Video
123 Nimed  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 3:20:40pm

re: #114 albusteve

suck ass didn’t prevent BO from getting elected…if he can get elected so can Palin…welcome to AmIdol politics where anything is possible

Sorry, but Obama rocks. I’m very happy he passed RomneyCare. What more could a registered Republican ask of a Democratic President?

124 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 3:21:05pm

re: #117 JasonA

I’d call your view cynical but that word fails.

It’s not cynicism, it’s giving up.

125 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 3:21:56pm

re: #112 darthstar

The democrats are doomed, Doomed, DOOOMED!!!…it’ll be so much nicer when the Republicans are back in power, deficits don’t matter (again), the environment can kiss OUR asses for a change(again), and we can finally wage pre-emptive war on [your country of choice here]…

Plus, the impeachment of President Obama will be a cake-walk…one black man being judged by all those white Senators? He’s toast!

Bring on the apocalypse!

“When it absolutely, positively has to be killed on time… call the Marines.”

126 Four More Tears  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 3:22:29pm

OT: Fuck you, Albany.

State lawmakers likely to hike cigarette tax today instead of shutting down government

Gov. David Paterson’s budget director Robert Megna said Friday the plan will include a $1.60-per-pack-increase on cigarettes, raising the state tax to $4.35 - the highest in the country.
127 webevintage  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 3:22:44pm

Even I was interested in the Tea Party at first (hell, I thought Palin would be cool until she opened her mouth) until they proved that they really are for nothing except being against the President.

128 albusteve  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 3:23:04pm

re: #122 darthstar

As long as that sack of seeds is for Wildwood weed.


[Video]

seeds….
[Link: www.featphoto.net…]

129 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 3:23:39pm

re: #127 webevintage

Even I was interested in the Tea Party at first (hell, I thought Palin would be cool until she opened her mouth) until they proved that they really are for nothing except being against the President.

Fucking good position to have if I ever heard one.

130 albusteve  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 3:24:02pm

re: #123 Nimed

Sorry, but Obama rocks. I’m very happy he passed RomneyCare. What more could a registered Republican ask of a Democratic President?

sure, even his poll numbers relect his rockability

131 Varek Raith  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 3:24:08pm

re: #128 albusteve

seeds…
[Link: www.featphoto.net…]

Put that in your…punch bowel and smoke it!

132 darthstar  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 3:24:29pm

re: #128 albusteve

Nice little nugget.

133 freetoken  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 3:25:01pm

In case anyone missed this vid from yesterday, of a tornado hitting Billings:

Youtube Video
134 Bagua  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 3:25:17pm

Any thoughts on the Kindle vx Kindle DX?

135 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 3:25:23pm

re: #126 JasonA

OT: Fuck you, Albany.

State lawmakers likely to hike cigarette tax today instead of shutting down government

That’s a great idea. It’s even possible that more people will stop smoking. Not a damn thing wrong with that. That should really kick the price up at the airports. last Sept. 2009, I was out at Kennedy and the price was $11.11 per pack… should see that go up to around $15 a pack now.

Good move NY.

136 Varek Raith  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 3:25:28pm

LOLOLOLOLOL
Learn the right words Varek.
Stupid.

137 Four More Tears  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 3:26:04pm

re: #135 Walter L. Newton

That’s a great idea. It’s even possible that more people will stop smoking. Not a damn thing wrong with that. That should really kick the price up at the airports. last Sept. 2009, I was out at Kennedy and the price was $11.11 per pack… should see that go up to around $15 a pack now.

Good move NY.

Oh? All for taxes now, are we?

138 albusteve  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 3:26:41pm

re: #131 Varek Raith

Put that in your…punch bowel and smoke it!

a friend of mine took that, I was right there, and there is a story that goes with it….those pot cats are at Bob Marly’s grave up at Nine Mile….fucking hoodlums running his dead gig

139 webevintage  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 3:27:21pm

re: #129 Walter L. Newton

Fucking good position to have if I ever heard one.

Why?
Just being against something because Obama is makes for the crazy that is going on. The man is not perfect but neither is he the monster that the Tea Party folks make him out to be.
Nor is Harry Reid nor is Nancy Pelosi and Bush was not as horrible as libs said he was.
Lately I’ve really lost all patience with extreme all or nothing over the top BS.

140 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 3:27:27pm

re: #137 JasonA

Oh? All for taxes now, are we?

NO… but I understand your lefties are. I was just trying to make you feel good. What’s wrong with raising the price of cigarette taxes if the state is broke and needs money. Better than cutting programs or teachers salaries or firing service employees…

Right?

141 lostlakehiker  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 3:28:07pm

re: #18 Dragon_Lady

I’m with you lawhawk! I want an ipad but if someone gave me an Kindle or Nook I’d put off getting the ipad! I read like a fish swim through water and my library has RWC gnashing his teeth every time I buy a new book.

Kindle doesn’t do free. It also doesn’t nickle and dime ya. You pay for the kindle device. Then you pay $10, $15, whatever, for each book. That’s it. No monthly charges, no charges to sync it so you can read on your computer a book you kindlebought. If your kindle device dies, and it’s out of warranty, you’ll have to buy a new one or just live with kindlesync from then on, but on the plus side, all the old kindlebooks you bought are still yours and you can upload them to your shiny new kindle without having to rebuy them.

It’s very straightforwardly capitalistic in the good sense. No tricks, no schemes, just informed buyer and informed seller striking a deal or not.

142 albusteve  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 3:28:32pm

re: #139 webevintage

Why?
Just being against something because Obama is makes for the crazy that is going on. The man is not perfect but neither is he the monster that the Tea Party folks make him out to be.
Nor is Harry Reid nor is Nancy Pelosi and Bush was not as horrible as libs said he was.
Lately I’ve really lost all patience with extreme all or nothing over the top BS.

ooohhhmmm!….relax, it was ever thus

143 Four More Tears  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 3:28:54pm

re: #141 lostlakehiker

Oh. You were being… you. Fair enough, then.

144 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 3:29:07pm

re: #128 albusteve

seeds…
[Link: www.featphoto.net…]

*drool*

145 webevintage  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 3:29:43pm

re: #142 albusteve

ooohhhmmm!…relax, it was ever thus

Really?
I’m almost 50 and this seems worse.
Maybe I’m just paying more attention….

146 lostlakehiker  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 3:30:01pm

re: #134 Bagua

Any thoughts on the Kindle vx Kindle DX?

Kindle DX is what you want if you care about maps, graphics, etc. The DX displays those rather well, while the basic kindle does not. It’s not so much that in principle it couldn’t, as that the way they scan the books seems to be a poor fit for the display of the basic kindle.

Maps come out sketchy and very thinly drawn.

147 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 3:30:06pm

re: #139 webevintage

Why?
Just being against something because Obama is makes for the crazy that is going on. The man is not perfect but neither is he the monster that the Tea Party folks make him out to be.
Nor is Harry Reid nor is Nancy Pelosi and Bush was not as horrible as libs said he was.
Lately I’ve really lost all patience with extreme all or nothing over the top BS.

No… being against someone because he is a worthless, ineffectual, clueless politician… I thought that was clear. Interesting how Bush is starting to get a little break from the haranguing now that the Wonderless One is tanking.

148 albusteve  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 3:30:07pm

re: #140 Walter L. Newton

NO… but I understand your lefties are. I was just trying to make you feel good. What’s wrong with raising the price of cigarette taxes if the state is broke and needs money. Better than cutting programs or teachers salaries or firing service employees…

Right?

wrong…people will import their tobacco from elsewhere and the whole gig falls apart….revenue crashes, but you knew that

149 Donna Ballard  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 3:30:40pm

re: #141 lostlakehiker

Kindle doesn’t do free. It also doesn’t nickle and dime ya. You pay for the kindle device. Then you pay $10, $15, whatever, for each book. That’s it. No monthly charges, no charges to sync it so you can read on your computer a book you kindlebought. If your kindle device dies, and it’s out of warranty, you’ll have to buy a new one or just live with kindlesync from then on, but on the plus side, all the old kindlebooks you bought are still yours and you can upload them to your shiny new kindle without having to rebuy them.

It’s very straightforwardly capitalistic in the good sense. No tricks, no schemes, just informed buyer and informed seller striking a deal or not.

I know that, I was being facetious. I was replying to lawhawk’s #2

150 webevintage  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 3:31:17pm

re: #147 Walter L. Newton

No… being against someone because he is a worthless, ineffectual, clueless politician… I thought that was clear. Interesting how Bush is starting to get a little break from the haranguing now that the Wonderless One is tanking.

Well I disagree with you about Obama…

151 HoosierHoops  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 3:31:26pm

re: #140 Walter L. Newton

NO… but I understand your lefties are. I was just trying to make you feel good. What’s wrong with raising the price of cigarette taxes if the state is broke and needs money. Better than cutting programs or teachers salaries or firing service employees…

Right?

Because we tax sin to fund righteousness?
Don’t mind me Walter..I’m laid up with a twisted ankle on pain killers..I’m liable to say anything tonight..:)

152 Bagua  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 3:31:43pm

re: #146 lostlakehiker

Kindle DX is what you want if you care about maps, graphics, etc. The DX displays those rather well, while the basic kindle does not. It’s not so much that in principle it couldn’t, as that the way they scan the books seems to be a poor fit for the display of the basic kindle.

Maps come out sketchy and very thinly drawn.

How about for normal and reference book reading? I assume the bigger screen on the DX is better?

153 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 3:31:46pm

re: #140 Walter L. Newton

Will revenue increase when 45 to 50% of the smokers quit?
…or…buy the smokes out of state?
I quit when the little bastards went 5 bucks and change!
Got myself a nice raise in disposable income!

154 lostlakehiker  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 3:32:16pm

re: #143 JasonA

Oh. You were being… you. Fair enough, then.

Most of the time, I’m me.

wysiwyg

155 Renaissance_Man  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 3:32:23pm

re: #127 webevintage

Even I was interested in the Tea Party at first (hell, I thought Palin would be cool until she opened her mouth) until they proved that they really are for nothing except being against the President.

This is so absolutely true. It is the province of small minds and the unprincipled to have a worldview solely defined by who you hate and what you oppose.

156 albusteve  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 3:32:43pm

re: #145 webevintage

Really?
I’m almost 50 and this seems worse.
Maybe I’m just paying more attention…

the pol climate is bad, no question…but it’s all about itself, so when the smoke clears we will be back to disfunction with others at the helm….one thing you can always bet on and win, the feds are dysfunctional, some just more than others

157 Four More Tears  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 3:33:37pm

re: #154 lostlakehiker

Most of the time, I’m me.

wysiwyg

Doh! That was for Walter. Sorry.

158 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 3:33:41pm

re: #148 albusteve

wrong…people will import their tobacco from elsewhere and the whole gig falls apart…revenue crashes, but you knew that

There’s been a black market for cigarettes in NY and NYC for as long as I’ve been alive… and of course longer. But when you are talking about a state with as many people as NY has, and as many smokers, many who have never had the connections to the bootlegged cigarettes, there is still a good amount of money to be made from a higher tax.

Interesting how one of our resident lefties suddenly gets all bent out of shape when a tax increase apparently hits home.

Deal with it.

159 albusteve  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 3:33:42pm

re: #128 albusteve

seeds…
[Link: www.featphoto.net…]

I bought the whole wad….trouble ensued

160 Amory Blaine  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 3:34:16pm

re: #155 Renaissance_Man

Not me. I’ll tell you though. The day the next republican president comes to my town, I’m bringing 2 loaded AR-15s, a very good attorney and a film crew. I figure I’ll either get killed or get very rich.

161 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 3:34:23pm

re: #153 reloadingisnotahobby

See my re: #158 Walter L. Newton

162 darthstar  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 3:34:27pm

Looks like Glenn Beck’s teabag event at the Lincoln Memorial just got potentially much more dangerous.

Black Leaders Announce Move Against Beck’s Event

NEW YORK (NNPA) - Black Civil Rights leaders are furious that they will not be able to organize a march to commemorate the 47th anniversary of the historic March on Washington and Dr. Martin Luther King’s famed “I Have A Dream” speech at the location where it happened this year because infamous right wing Fox News personality and radio host Glenn Beck already booked the Lincoln Memorial on Aug. 28th to hold his own rally.

“We’re going to get together because we are not going to let Glenn Beck own the symbolism of Aug. 28th, 2010,” National Urban League President and CEO Marc Morial said during a National Newspaper Publishers Association breakfast at NNPA’s 70th Anniversary Celebration at the Sheraton Hotel and Towers on Friday. “Someone said to me, ‘Maybe we shouldn’t challenge him. Maybe we should just let him have it. “I was like,’ Brother, where have you been? Where is your courage? Where is your sense of outrage?” We need to collaborate and bring together all people of good will, not just Black people, on Aug. 28 to send a message that Glenn Beck’s vision of America is not our vision of America.

This is going to bring the wingnut crazies out like flies to “defend Glenn”…and of course, if anything bad does happen, the counter-demonstrators will get the blame.

Let’s hope mother nature intervenes and sends a big assed thunderstorm to DC on the 28th that makes standing outside inadvisable. Washing out the event is our best hope of having this pass without incident.

163 Amory Blaine  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 3:35:30pm

re: #160 Amory Blaine

Not me. I’ll tell you though. The day the next republican president comes to my town, I’m bringing 2 loaded AR-15s, a very good attorney and a film crew. I figure I’ll either get killed or get very rich.

Soory was trying to post to webevintage

164 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 3:35:44pm

re: #155 Renaissance_Man

This is so absolutely true. It is the province of small minds and the unprincipled to have a worldview solely defined by who you hate and what you oppose.

In the dog eat dog world of realities, where I live, it’s a grand start. “Can’t we all get along”… no Bucky, we can’t.

165 Four More Tears  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 3:36:10pm

re: #158 Walter L. Newton

There’s been a black market for cigarettes in NY and NYC for as long as I’ve been alive… and of course longer. But when you are talking about a state with as many people as NY has, and as many smokers, many who have never had the connections to the bootlegged cigarettes, there is still a good amount of money to be made from a higher tax.

Interesting how one of our resident lefties suddenly gets all bent out of shape when a tax increase apparently hits home.

Deal with it.

We’re talking about a product that’s already taxed to high heaven. I don’t hear all that much about taxes on Alcohol going up.

Oh, and check yourself. Saying “Fuck you, Albany,” is not getting “bent out of shape.”

166 albusteve  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 3:36:26pm

re: #158 Walter L. Newton

There’s been a black market for cigarettes in NY and NYC for as long as I’ve been alive… and of course longer. But when you are talking about a state with as many people as NY has, and as many smokers, many who have never had the connections to the bootlegged cigarettes, there is still a good amount of money to be made from a higher tax.

Interesting how one of our resident lefties suddenly gets all bent out of shape when a tax increase apparently hits home.

Deal with it.

I smoke a pack every three days or so right now…I buy them from the heathen redskins who go around the feds….I love those guys

167 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 3:37:16pm

re: #165 JasonA

We’re talking about a product that’s already taxed to high heaven. I don’t hear all that much about taxes on Alcohol going up.

Oh, and check yourself. Saying “Fuck you, Albany,” is not getting “bent out of shape.”

Answer yes or no…

1) You a smoker?
2) You live in NY state?
3) You are generally left of center?

168 Amory Blaine  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 3:37:37pm

Bumming someone a smoke nowadays is an important economic decision.

169 Four More Tears  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 3:38:47pm

re: #140 Walter L. Newton

NO… but I understand your lefties are. I was just trying to make you feel good. What’s wrong with raising the price of cigarette taxes if the state is broke and needs money. Better than cutting programs or teachers salaries or firing service employees…

Right?

Lots of shit is getting cut, by the way.

New York’s piecemeal budgeting is cutting in all areas — security, police training, health care, more

170 Four More Tears  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 3:39:22pm

re: #167 Walter L. Newton

Answer yes or no…

1) You a smoker?
2) You live in NY state?
3) You are generally left of center?

Why?

171 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 3:39:40pm

re: #76 Alouette

Using Soviet statistics is kind of outdated.

I think the point is that the stats cover the entire history of the UN.

172 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 3:41:37pm

re: #169 JasonA

Lots of shit is getting cut, by the way.

New York’s piecemeal budgeting is cutting in all areas — security, police training, health care, more

Then maybe the cigarette tax should be raised even higher. It’s for the good of the state and of the addicted residents that smoke. Smoking is not good for you, no more than too much salt, and too much sugar, and trans-fat and… oh wait… I think NY is trying to put all kinds of restrictions on those areas too…

Good New York… take care of your citizens.

173 webevintage  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 3:41:56pm

Cats.
They just don’t give a crap:
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com…]

174 Gus  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 3:41:57pm

re: #170 JasonA

Why?

Yeah, but guess who started the ball rolling for those cigarette taxes in New York?

If approved by the state Legislature, the city cigarette tax hike would come right on the heels of an increase in the New York State cigarette tax, which will rise to $1.50 a pack, from an already nation-leading $1.11, effective April 3. Pataki expects this to generate $250 million a year dedicated to state Health Care Reform Act (HCRA) programs.

However, Bloomberg’s revenue estimate assumes that raising the city tax to the same level as the state tax—a combined $3 per pack—would wipe out nearly half of all legal[1] cigarette purchases in New York City, as many more smokers quit, cut back or turn to non-taxed sources for their Camels and Marlboros. This, in turn, would wipe out a chunk of Pataki’s HCRA financing.

[Link: www.nyfiscalwatch.com…]

Let’s see. Bloomberg and Pataki. Weren’t they “right of center”? Weren’t they, Republicans?

175 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 3:42:03pm

re: #170 JasonA

Why?

Got it.

176 Renaissance_Man  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 3:43:37pm

re: #164 Walter L. Newton

In the dog eat dog world of realities, where I live, it’s a grand start. “Can’t we all get along”… no Bucky, we can’t.

It’s not about getting along and happy fairies. It’s about ideas and principles. If a person’s only ideas and principles are motherhood statements and ‘I hate those lefties’, they have no ideas and principles. And they belong on barstools muttering angrily to their neighbours and their beers, rather than in government or the polling booth.

177 Four More Tears  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 3:44:09pm

re: #175 Walter L. Newton

Got it.

Got nothing.

178 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 3:44:19pm

re: #174 Gus 802

[Link: www.nyfiscalwatch.com…]

Let’s see. Bloomberg and Pataki. Weren’t they “right of center”? Weren’t they, Republicans?

I don’t care who got the new taxes started. It’s good for everyone. Many people may now consider quitting, which will be good, and if they continue to smoke, then they will be contributing to the services that may one day have to transport them to a hospital after a heart attack… or something like that.

Win-Win… don’t matter who suggested it… and the left LOVES this sort of government concern.

179 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 3:46:00pm

re: #176 Renaissance_Man

It’s not about getting along and happy fairies. It’s about ideas and principles. If a person’s only ideas and principles are motherhood statements and ‘I hate those lefties’, they have no ideas and principles. And they belong on barstools muttering angrily to their neighbours and their beers, rather than in government or the polling booth.

If you don’t think “I hate those lefties” is not a good enough reason for someone to vote conservative, what are you suggesting… some sort of competency test for all voters? I think anyone of legal age belong in a voting booth if they want to be there… don’t you?

180 Nimed  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 3:46:02pm

re: #152 Bagua

How about for normal and reference book reading? I assume the bigger screen on the DX is better?

For normal book reading, the Kindle 2 is really all you need — and it’s much more portable. I would go with the DX only if you need to read a lot of (not text only) pdf files.

IMO, there’s currently no ebook reader that handles well the back and forth you need to do while reading reference documents — physical books and bookmarks are still the faster and most convenient option by far. Unfortunately, physical books lack a search function. :(

181 Four More Tears  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 3:46:24pm

re: #178 Walter L. Newton

I don’t care who got the new taxes started. It’s good for everyone. Many people may now consider quitting, which will be good, and if they continue to smoke, then they will be contributing to the services that may one day have to transport them to a hospital after a heart attack… or something like that.

Win-Win… don’t matter who suggested it… and the left LOVES this sort of government concern.

That’s very generous of you non-smokers. I’m happy to see you care so much. Because, you know, when people quit smoking buy their smokes from out-of-state or Indian reservations then it’s your taxes that’ll have to start going up to make up the difference. But hey, thanks anyway.

182 freetoken  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 3:46:29pm

re: #162 darthstar


Let’s hope mother nature intervenes and sends a big assed thunderstorm to DC on the 28th that makes standing outside inadvisable.


“Mother nature”??? You know as well as I that if President Obama wanted to stop this all he’d have to do is crank up HAARP! But no, he’ll probably send his provocateurs into the Tea Party to cause dissension and make it seem like the good people of this country are racists!

183 albusteve  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 3:48:12pm

re: #181 JasonA

That’s very generous of you non-smokers. I’m happy to see you care so much. Because, you know, when people quit smoking buy their smokes from out-of-state or Indian reservations then it’s your taxes that’ll have to start going up to make up the difference. But hey, thanks anyway.

I don’t pay federal income tax…what do I care?…are you implying that it’s wrong to buy tobacco wherever it’s cheapest?

184 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 3:48:48pm

re: #181 JasonA

That’s very generous of you non-smokers. I’m happy to see you care so much. Because, you know, when people quit smoking buy their smokes from out-of-state or Indian reservations then it’s your taxes that’ll have to start going up to make up the difference. But hey, thanks anyway.

If you have no problem with breaking the law… fine… purchasing out-of-state cigarettes with in the state of NY, go for it. Typical lefty reaction, it’s good for everyone, except when it’s not good for me, then I don’t care.

185 Gus  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 3:49:15pm

re: #178 Walter L. Newton

I don’t care who got the new taxes started. It’s good for everyone. Many people may now consider quitting, which will be good, and if they continue to smoke, then they will be contributing to the services that may one day have to transport them to a hospital after a heart attack… or something like that.

Win-Win… don’t matter who suggested it… and the left LOVES this sort of government concern.

Uh huh, the left. They’re the only ones peering into people’s private lives. The right is the paragon of liberty and freedom for the individual especially when it comes to abortion, drug laws, gays and lesbians, freedom from religion, pornography, etc.

It’s not about getting people to quit smoking. It’s about raising revenue from one of the most popular vices in America, smoking. That’s fine. I think if I lived in NYC I’d quit.

186 Nimed  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 3:50:05pm

re: #164 Walter L. Newton

In the dog eat dog world of realities, where I live, it’s a grand start. “Can’t we all get along”… no Bucky, we can’t.

From the looks of it, you live more in the world of blasé platitudes and banalities.

187 albusteve  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 3:50:46pm

re: #185 Gus 802

Uh huh, the left. They’re the only ones peering into people’s private lives. The right is the paragon of liberty and freedom for the individual especially when it comes to abortion, drug laws, gays and lesbians, freedom from religion, pornography, etc.

It’s not about getting people to quit smoking. It’s about raising revenue from one of the most popular vices in America, smoking. That’s fine. I think if I lived in NYC I’d quit.


then revenues would go down….the point is to have the highest priced tobacco, without forcing people into quitting

188 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 3:51:17pm

re: #176 Renaissance_Man

It’s not about getting along and happy fairies. It’s about ideas and principles. If a person’s only ideas and principles are motherhood statements and ‘I hate those lefties’, they have no ideas and principles. And they belong on barstools muttering angrily to their neighbours and their beers, rather than in government or the polling booth.

So you would deny people the right to vote based on their political beliefs?

189 Four More Tears  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 3:51:54pm

re: #184 Walter L. Newton

If you have no problem with breaking the law… fine… purchasing out-of-state cigarettes with in the state of NY, go for it. Typical lefty reaction, it’s good for everyone, except when it’s not good for me, then I don’t care.

Now you’re being a dick. I never said I was going to do that, but many people will do it. Were you born this difficult or did you have to train for it?

190 Amory Blaine  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 3:51:57pm

re: #187 albusteve

Raise minimum wage?

191 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 3:52:19pm

re: #185 Gus 802

Uh huh, the left. They’re the only ones peering into people’s private lives. The right is the paragon of liberty and freedom for the individual especially when it comes to abortion, drug laws, gays and lesbians, freedom from religion, pornography, etc.

It’s not about getting people to quit smoking. It’s about raising revenue from one of the most popular vices in America, smoking. That’s fine. I think if I lived in NYC I’d quit.

Am I missing something. I remember the reams and reams of articles in the past 30 years about how raising cigarette taxes is to help try to get people to stop… are you telling me that has been a lie… a lie…

And please show me where I said the “… the left. They’re the only ones peering into people’s private lives.” Please show me.

I think I was talking about the left in this case, but I’m almost positive I never said they were alone in this sort of intrusion.

Oh… I see, you’re using a “you too” argument since that’s all you got to come back with.

Sorry… my mistake.

192 Gus  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 3:52:30pm

re: #187 albusteve

then revenues would go down…the point is to have the highest priced tobacco, without forcing people into quitting

It’s regressive. That is once you raise it to a certain price you end up collecting less revenue because regular folks will cut back on cigarette purchases. Once they see that occurring then they will begin looking for other tax revenue sources.

193 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 3:52:50pm

re: #189 JasonA

Now you’re being a dick. I never said I was going to do that, but many people will do it. Were you born this difficult or did you have to train for it?

Practice.

194 Kragar  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 3:53:10pm

re: #190 Amory Blaine

Raise minimum wage?

Oh sure, get more people laid off.

195 Renaissance_Man  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 3:53:21pm

re: #179 Walter L. Newton

If you don’t think “I hate those lefties” is not a good enough reason for someone to vote conservative, what are you suggesting… some sort of competency test for all voters? I think anyone of legal age belong in a voting booth if they want to be there… don’t you?

Nope. I think in an ideal setting, the right to vote should be earned. And not by some ridiculous literacy test or any other feeble measure. Naturally, allowing anyone who is carbon-based to vote is better than having nobody voting. But even better would be having the right to vote being earned, and well earned.

Furthermore, now that we have given everyone the right to vote, it then behooves us to go further, and require that people vote. I absolutely believe in compulsory voting. It would solve so very many of the problems that exist in the current US system.

196 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 3:53:21pm

re: #192 Gus 802

It’s regressive. That is once you raise it to a certain price you end up collecting less revenue because regular folks will cut back on cigarette purchases. Once they see that occurring then they will begin looking for other tax revenue sources.

See… it will help people to stop smoking… I was right… I was right…

197 Kragar  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 3:53:34pm

re: #192 Gus 802

It’s regressive. That is once you raise it to a certain price you end up collecting less revenue because regular folks will cut back on cigarette purchases. Once they see that occurring then they will begin looking for other tax revenue sources.

Like weed.

198 Amory Blaine  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 3:53:49pm

re: #194 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

At least they’ll have smokes :p

199 Four More Tears  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 3:54:26pm

re: #196 Walter L. Newton

See… it will help people to stop smoking… I was right… I was right…

Yes. Just like prohibition made people give up alcohol.

200 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 3:54:32pm

re: #195 Renaissance_Man

Nope. I think in an ideal setting, the right to vote should be earned. And not by some ridiculous literacy test or any other feeble measure. Naturally, allowing anyone who is carbon-based to vote is better than having nobody voting. But even better would be having the right to vote being earned, and well earned.

Furthermore, now that we have given everyone the right to vote, it then behooves us to go further, and require that people vote. I absolutely believe in compulsory voting. It would solve so very many of the problems that exist in the current US system.

Tom… is that you… is that you… and of course Tom… you never defined “earned.”

201 Gus  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 3:54:36pm

re: #191 Walter L. Newton

Am I missing something. I remember the reams and reams of articles in the past 30 years about how raising cigarette taxes is to help try to get people to stop… are you telling me that has been a lie… a lie…

And please show me where I said the “… the left. They’re the only ones peering into people’s private lives.” Please show me.

I think I was talking about the left in this case, but I’m almost positive I never said they were alone in this sort of intrusion.

Oh… I see, you’re using a “you too” argument since that’s all you got to come back with.

Sorry… my mistake.

You didn’t say they were the only ones. You said this:

Win-Win… don’t matter who suggested it… and the left LOVES this sort of government concern.

My point is that the left and the right do this. It’s like when I tell people that planning and zoning is the same hassle regardless of who’s in charge in city hall, be it Democrat or Republican.

202 Gus  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 3:55:22pm

re: #196 Walter L. Newton

See… it will help people to stop smoking… I was right… I was right…

OK, that’s funny.

203 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 3:55:47pm

re: #201 Gus 802

My point is that the left and the right do this. It’s like when I tell people that planning and zoning is the same hassle regardless of who’s in charge in city hall, be it Democrat or Republican.

You loose… where did I say “… the left. They’re the only ones peering into people’s private lives.”

204 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 3:56:54pm

re: #202 Gus 802

OK, that’s funny.

I try.

205 Nimed  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 3:56:58pm

re: #185 Gus 802

Uh huh, the left. They’re the only ones peering into people’s private lives. The right is the paragon of liberty and freedom for the individual especially when it comes to abortion, drug laws, gays and lesbians, freedom from religion, pornography, etc.

It’s not about getting people to quit smoking. It’s about raising revenue from one of the most popular vices in America, smoking. That’s fine. I think if I lived in NYC I’d quit.

etc - warrantless surveillance and detention, torture, flag desecration, etc.

/it’s a recursive etc

206 Gus  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 3:56:59pm

re: #203 Walter L. Newton

You loose… where did I say “… the left. They’re the only ones peering into people’s private lives.”

I already quoted that:

re: #178 Walter L. Newton

I don’t care who got the new taxes started. It’s good for everyone. Many people may now consider quitting, which will be good, and if they continue to smoke, then they will be contributing to the services that may one day have to transport them to a hospital after a heart attack… or something like that.

Win-Win… don’t matter who suggested it… and the left LOVES this sort of government concern.

207 albusteve  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 3:57:10pm

wack a mole….funny

208 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 3:57:37pm

re: #203 Walter L. Newton

You loose… where did I say “… the left. They’re the only ones peering into people’s private lives.”

Gus… ignore this comment… I reread yours above…

209 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 3:57:56pm

re: #104 albusteve

say what you want…the TP is here to stay for a while, and that’s as objective as I can get…I’ve never written them off as a political force, and after Newts latest liftoff into the godzone, I’m even more convinced

Well, look, we can either write them off foolishly, or be accused of elevating their importance to make the right seem crazier. What do people prefer?

210 Gus  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 3:58:08pm

re: #208 Walter L. Newton

Gus… ignore this comment… I reread yours above…

OK

211 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 3:58:22pm

re: #195 Renaissance_Man

Nope. I think in an ideal setting, the right to vote should be earned. And not by some ridiculous literacy test or any other feeble measure. Naturally, allowing anyone who is carbon-based to vote is better than having nobody voting. But even better would be having the right to vote being earned, and well earned.

Furthermore, now that we have given everyone the right to vote, it then behooves us to go further, and require that people vote. I absolutely believe in compulsory voting. It would solve so very many of the problems that exist in the current US system.

The right to vote should be earned = competency test of some sort.

Who chooses the test?
Who decides what it consists of, and what the passing score is for a person to “earn” the right to vote?

slippery slippery slope.

212 Bagua  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 3:59:10pm

re: #180 Nimed

For normal book reading, the Kindle 2 is really all you need — and it’s much more portable. I would go with the DX only if you need to read a lot of (not text only) pdf files.

IMO, there’s currently no ebook reader that handles well the back and forth you need to do while reading reference documents — physical books and bookmarks are still the faster and most convenient option by far. Unfortunately, physical books lack a search function. :(

Thanks. I’m beginning to think I need both, or possibly three or four because there are so many incompatible formats. Then there is the Skiff to consider. Sigh.

213 albusteve  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 3:59:14pm

re: #209 SanFranciscoZionist

Well, look, we can either write them off foolishly, or be accused of elevating their importance to make the right seem crazier. What do people prefer?

that’s up to the left…my thoughts have been clear as a bell since last year

214 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 3:59:19pm

re: #205 Nimed

etc - warrantless surveillance and detention, torture, flag desecration, etc.

/it’s a recursive etc

Well… on those factors we can certainly agree…

“Guantanamo is still not closed. Military commissions are still a mess. The administration still uses state secrets to shield themselves from litigation. There’s no prosecution for criminal acts of the Bush administration. Surveillance powers put in place under the Patriot Act have been renewed.”

215 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 3:59:50pm

re: #118 albusteve

I’m ready…got my gold, got my seeds

Do you have whiskey? That’s the really important part.

216 Gus  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 4:00:34pm

re: #214 Walter L. Newton

Well… on those factors we can certainly agree…

“Guantanamo is still not closed. Military commissions are still a mess. The administration still uses state secrets to shield themselves from litigation. There’s no prosecution for criminal acts of the Bush administration. Surveillance powers put in place under the Patriot Act have been renewed.”

True. CIA renditions are continuing and the Patriot Act has been extended with Democratic majorities.

217 Four More Tears  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 4:00:43pm

re: #211 reine.de.tout

The right to vote should be earned = competency test of some sort.

Who chooses the test?
Who decides what it consists of, and what the passing score is for a person to “earn” the right to vote?

slippery slippery slope.

Well, technically speaking you do have to earn it already seeing that you have to make it to 18. No, don’t make this out to be an attempt to condone literacy tests or the like, only pointing out that we do have a standard.

218 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 4:00:43pm

re: #120 Gus 802

Reading the comments at Fox News is always good for a laugh. Although, Breitbart does provide them with some stiff competition — especially Breitbart dot tv.

In general, any big news agency’s comments section will curl your hair. It’s unbelievable what slime is out there, and connected to the internet.

219 albusteve  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 4:00:58pm

re: #215 SanFranciscoZionist

Do you have whiskey? That’s the really important part.

that and toilet paper…wish I had a warehouse full of it

220 Gus  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 4:01:30pm

re: #216 Gus 802

True. CIA renditions are continuing and the Patriot Act has been extended with Democratic majorities.

As usual I’m going to say I’m not exactly against CIA renditions and the Patriot Act.

221 HoosierHoops  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 4:01:32pm

You know..a couple of years ago.. I wrote about smuggling Cuban Cigars from Windsor after a crazy weekend….Dang those cigars tasted great..Probably the best in the world…

222 Nimed  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 4:01:44pm

re: #211 reine.de.tout

The right to vote should be earned = competency test of some sort.

Who chooses the test?
Who decides what it consists of, and what the passing score is for a person to “earn” the right to vote?

slippery slippery slope.

Exactly. I’m pretty surprised this is even an issue for some.

223 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 4:02:04pm

re: #216 Gus 802

True. CIA renditions are continuing and the Patriot Act has been extended with Democratic majorities.

Shush Gus… it’s a trick… I want to see if he/she automatically responses and trashes Bush… it’s so gut level it’s funny… let me have my fun…

224 albusteve  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 4:02:13pm

re: #217 JasonA

Well, technically speaking you do have to earn it already seeing that you have to make it to 18. No, don’t make this out to be an attempt to condone literacy tests or the like, only pointing out that we do have a standard.

age is not earned

225 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 4:02:29pm

re: #127 webevintage

Even I was interested in the Tea Party at first (hell, I thought Palin would be cool until she opened her mouth) until they proved that they really are for nothing except being against the President.

I went through the Palin thing, I admit it. The Tea Party, though, seemed to show up full-fledged and totally crazy.

226 Four More Tears  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 4:02:31pm

re: #221 HoosierHoops

You know..a couple of years ago.. I wrote about smuggling Cuban Cigars from Windsor after a crazy weekend…Dang those cigars tasted great..Probably the best in the world…

I stopped smoking cigars after I had some in Europe. Nothing else did it quite like those…

227 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 4:02:53pm

re: #217 JasonA

Well, technically speaking you do have to earn it already seeing that you have to make it to 18. No, don’t make this out to be an attempt to condone literacy tests or the like, only pointing out that we do have a standard.

That wasn’t what RenMan was talking about.
re: #222 Nimed

Exactly. I’m pretty surprised this is even an issue for some.


whew.
I am too.

228 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 4:03:04pm

re: #129 Walter L. Newton

Fucking good position to have if I ever heard one.

Sure, but the American public does that naturally.

229 rwdflynavy  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 4:03:20pm

re: #75 freetoken

A newly published report on another partial skeleton of Australopithecus afarensis today:

New hominid moves back date of walking upright

which informs us that Lucy’s species was walking upright at least 400,000 years before her.


Dude, You missed the big news today. Evolution is dead on arrival!!!

Eons Of Darwinian Evolution Somehow Produce Mitch

//Just in case…

230 Four More Tears  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 4:03:27pm

re: #224 albusteve

age is not earned

Of course it is. You have to actually survive. Try meeting people raised in a group home and see if you still have that opinion.

231 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 4:04:19pm

re: #224 albusteve

age is not earned

Don’t tell my grandma that, she’ll box your ears. :)

Howdy.

232 Gus  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 4:04:27pm

re: #218 SanFranciscoZionist

In general, any big news agency’s comments section will curl your hair. It’s unbelievable what slime is out there, and connected to the internet.

Remember USENET or the Newsgroups? Now that was some crazed territory.

233 albusteve  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 4:04:27pm

re: #230 JasonA

Of course it is. You have to actually survive. Try meeting people raised in a group home and see if you still have that opinion.

good lord…okay I got you

234 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 4:05:05pm

re: #140 Walter L. Newton

NO… but I understand your lefties are. I was just trying to make you feel good. What’s wrong with raising the price of cigarette taxes if the state is broke and needs money. Better than cutting programs or teachers salaries or firing service employees…

Right?

PJ O’Rourke had this idea of making cocaine legal, but only available in a very, very expensive and fattening liqueur. He figured Americans wouldn’t get fat just to do coke.

235 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 4:05:08pm

Sorry, to post and run. I only had time to read the thread before having to leave again.

Back after dinner.

236 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 4:06:22pm

re: #230 JasonA

Of course it is. You have to actually survive. Try meeting people raised in a group home and see if you still have that opinion.

In order to earn something one must first work at it.

237 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 4:06:45pm

re: #234 SanFranciscoZionist

PJ O’Rourke had this idea of making cocaine legal, but only available in a very, very expensive and fattening liqueur. He figured Americans wouldn’t get fat just to do coke.

Has he seen Walmart People lately? And wait, you listen/read PJ? Come on… they are going to take your membership card away. I won’t tell anyone.

238 Nimed  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 4:07:26pm

re: #214 Walter L. Newton

Well… on those factors we can certainly agree…

“Guantanamo is still not closed. Military commissions are still a mess. The administration still uses state secrets to shield themselves from litigation. There’s no prosecution for criminal acts of the Bush administration. Surveillance powers put in place under the Patriot Act have been renewed.”

I’m going to go ahead and assume you’re being earnest here. I agree with all those criticisms. Unfortunately, very few people criticize the Obama Administration on these issues. And Ron Paul is one of the few! Sigh…

239 Gus  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 4:07:29pm

re: #234 SanFranciscoZionist

PJ O’Rourke had this idea of making cocaine legal, but only available in a very, very expensive and fattening liqueur. He figured Americans wouldn’t get fat just to do coke.

Foie gras with mustard seeds and a succulent cocaine jus.

/

240 albusteve  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 4:08:10pm

re: #238 Nimed

I’m going to go ahead and assume you’re being earnest here. I agree with all those criticisms. Unfortunately, very few people criticize the Obama Administration on these issues. And Ron Paul is one of the few! Sigh…

DON”T CALL ME EARNEST!

241 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 4:08:31pm

re: #147 Walter L. Newton

No… being against someone because he is a worthless, ineffectual, clueless politician… I thought that was clear. Interesting how Bush is starting to get a little break from the haranguing now that the Wonderless One is tanking.

I would buy the idea that the Teepers are against Obama because he is a worthless, ineffectual, clueless politician if I thought they themselves had the slightest clue. So far I have seen no evidence of that at all.

As for Bush, his reputation is now going through the softening process that happens when a dude is no longer on the hotseat, and you can assess the good and the bad. I still think he was pretty much a disaster as president, but I always thought he was a decent man.

An analogy would be how Clinton is now seen by many Republicans as a moderate bloke who got some good things done, rather than the Monster from Arkansas.

242 HoosierHoops  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 4:08:44pm

re: #226 JasonA

I stopped smoking cigars after I had some in Europe. Nothing else did it quite like those…

It was so funny..I posted about it and some lizards at the time thought I was the worst person in the world.. Yup..We smuggled Cuban Cigars in the trunk over the border…I was so scared…My buddy was driving and smoking a cigar waiting in line.. What the hell are you doing? Smoking a cigar..Are you insane? You are smoking a cuban sitting in line?
Yes..
I’m going to kill you if you don’t throw it away!
What?
The FREAKING CIGAR!
What?
I will hurt you…
OK..I’m throwing it away..
I hate you Paulie!
Wanna come back next year?
Not really…

243 albusteve  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 4:09:11pm

re: #236 Spare O’Lake

In order to earn something one must first work at it.

I’m 58…I EARNED IT SUCKA!

244 rwdflynavy  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 4:09:43pm

re: #242 HoosierHoops

It was so funny..I posted about it and some lizards at the time thought I was the worst person in the world.. Yup..We smuggled Cuban Cigars in the trunk over the border…I was so scared…My buddy was driving and smoking a cigar waiting in line.. What the hell are you doing? Smoking a cigar..Are you insane? You are smoking a cuban sitting in line?
Yes..
I’m going to kill you if you don’t throw it away!
What?
The FREAKING CIGAR!
What?
I will hurt you…
OK..I’m throwing it away..
I hate you Paulie!
Wanna come back next year?
Not really…

They are very easy to smuggle back on a Navy ship…cough, cough, or so I’ve heard…

245 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 4:10:02pm

re: #162 darthstar

Looks like Glenn Beck’s teabag event at the Lincoln Memorial just got potentially much more dangerous.

Black Leaders Announce Move Against Beck’s Event

This is going to bring the wingnut crazies out like flies to “defend Glenn”…and of course, if anything bad does happen, the counter-demonstrators will get the blame.

Let’s hope mother nature intervenes and sends a big assed thunderstorm to DC on the 28th that makes standing outside inadvisable. Washing out the event is our best hope of having this pass without incident.

You know, you’d think as big a country as this is, we wouldn’t have to squabble over standing room like this…

246 darthstar  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 4:10:04pm

Facebook has a “kill Barack Obama” page…so far, only 17 people like it. Stupid fuckers.

247 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 4:11:13pm

re: #179 Walter L. Newton

If you don’t think “I hate those lefties” is not a good enough reason for someone to vote conservative, what are you suggesting… some sort of competency test for all voters? I think anyone of legal age belong in a voting booth if they want to be there… don’t you?

Conservative fallacy. All opinions are not a request for laws.

248 Racer X  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 4:12:03pm

Smokers suck. It’s a filthy, nasty habit.

249 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 4:12:05pm

re: #188 MandyManners

So you would deny people the right to vote based on their political beliefs?

And again!

250 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 4:12:47pm

re: #241 SanFranciscoZionist

An analogy would be how Clinton is now seen by many Republicans as a moderate bloke who got some good things done, rather than the Monster from Arkansas.

I doubt anyone really knew Clinton as a bloke from Arkansas.
He is however well known as a bona fide lover of oral sax.

251 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 4:12:59pm

re: #238 Nimed

I’m going to go ahead and assume you’re being earnest here. I agree with all those criticisms. Unfortunately, very few people criticize the Obama Administration on these issues. And Ron Paul is one of the few! Sigh…

I only “agree” with the criticisms because Obama promised he would do something about these areas, and he hasn’t. Otherwise, I’m fine with the current state of affairs.

No… this is someone who you would be more likely to respect and listen to… other than Ron Paul…

The head of the ACLU…

[Link: www.politico.com…]

252 albusteve  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 4:13:15pm

I think we need a national poll tax, say $200 to vote for POTUS…if you are too stupid to have the dough and wear a mullet then GTF outa here!

253 albusteve  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 4:13:53pm

re: #248 Racer X

Smokers suck. It’s a filthy, nasty habit.

that’s why I do it

254 Renaissance_Man  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 4:14:10pm

re: #211 reine.de.tout

The right to vote should be earned = competency test of some sort.

Who chooses the test?
Who decides what it consists of, and what the passing score is for a person to “earn” the right to vote?

slippery slippery slope.

Earning something does not have to mean a test. It can simply mean meeting a qualification.

Firstly, a nation where the right to vote was earned could not be created from any modern democracy. I say that just to be clear that I am talking about broad philosophy and pie-in-the-sky stuff here, rather than actual things that should happen tomorrow. It’s basically impossible to remove a right once widely granted, as the right to vote is. Thus this hypothetical nation would have to be created with this ideal, and the parameters of such would be a job for great statesmen, the type of people that found nations.

I would hope that some of the ways to earn the right to vote would include such things as military service, and higher education, for instance. Personally, I wouldn’t have any sort of test.

re: #217 JasonA

Well, technically speaking you do have to earn it already seeing that you have to make it to 18. No, don’t make this out to be an attempt to condone literacy tests or the like, only pointing out that we do have a standard.

That wasn’t what RenMan was talking about.

I’m absolutely not talking about tests. I’m talking about meeting standards. And, in an ideal universe, those standards are not being 18 years of age and human.

255 Amory Blaine  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 4:14:15pm

re: #236 Spare O’Lake

In order to earn something one must first work at it.

Work like writing a three page paper, present it to congress, and demand hundreds of billions of dollars with no questions asked.

Hard workers like that.

256 albusteve  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 4:15:17pm

I got nasty habits, I take tea at three
Yes, and the meat I eat for dinner
Must be hung up for a week
MJ

257 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 4:15:19pm

re: #248 Racer X

Smokers suck.

How else are we expected to inhale? Is there some new method I am not aware of?

258 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 4:15:21pm

re: #237 Walter L. Newton

Has he seen Walmart People lately? And wait, you listen/read PJ? Come on… they are going to take your membership card away. I won’t tell anyone.

The only membership card I have is the one to my Y.

259 jmalco  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 4:15:25pm

thght ftr rdng ths y wr vry nfr t th sprr Nk thn sw tht mzn ws yr “prtnr” fr frr rvw.

260 Racer X  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 4:15:30pm

re: #253 albusteve

that’s why I do it

No it’s not. Tell us the real reason why you smoke?

261 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 4:15:35pm

re: #241 SanFranciscoZionist

I would buy the idea that the Teepers are against Obama because he is a worthless, ineffectual, clueless politician if I thought they themselves had the slightest clue. So far I have seen no evidence of that at all.

As for Bush, his reputation is now going through the softening process that happens when a dude is no longer on the hotseat, and you can assess the good and the bad. I still think he was pretty much a disaster as president, but I always thought he was a decent man.

An analogy would be how Clinton is now seen by many Republicans as a moderate bloke who got some good things done, rather than the Monster from Arkansas.

Just because the Teepers may not the slightest clue, it doesn’t change to fact that Obama is a worthless, ineffectual and clueless politician.

The Pope didn’t have any clue that Galileo was correct in his proposition that the earth revolved around the sun, but it didn’t change the fact that it did.

262 webevintage  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 4:15:54pm

re: #250 Spare O’Lake

I doubt anyone really knew Clinton as a bloke from Arkansas.
He is however well known as a bona fide lover of oral sax.

Aren’t most men?

263 albusteve  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 4:16:05pm

re: #257 Slumbering Behemoth

How else are we expected to inhale? Is there some new method I am not aware of?

stick those nails in yer ass and get back to us

264 albusteve  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 4:16:37pm

re: #260 Racer X

No it’s not. Tell us the real reason why you smoke?

because Kieth Richards does

265 Four More Tears  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 4:17:12pm

re: #261 Walter L. Newton

Just because the Teepers may not the slightest clue, it doesn’t change to fact that Obama is a worthless, ineffectual and clueless politician.

The Pope didn’t have any clue that Galileo was correct in his proposition that the earth revolved around the sun, but it didn’t change the fact that it did.

The word “fact” doesn’t mean what you think it means.

266 albusteve  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 4:17:20pm

re: #262 webevintage

Aren’t most men?

short of rape, yes, I suppose

267 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 4:17:23pm

re: #263 albusteve

I think that’s the “Smokers Blow” argument.

268 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 4:17:29pm

re: #254 Renaissance_Man

I would hope that some of the ways to earn the right to vote would include such things as military service, and higher education, for instance. Personally, I wouldn’t have any sort of test.

You “hope that some of the ways…” but personally you “wouldn’t have any sort of test.”

Conflicted? Or am I missing some nuance here Tom?

269 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 4:17:56pm

re: #261 Walter L. Newton

Just because the Teepers may not the slightest clue, it doesn’t change to fact that Obama is a worthless, ineffectual and clueless politician.

The Pope didn’t have any clue that Galileo was correct in his proposition that the earth revolved around the sun, but it didn’t change the fact that it did.

Yes, but what did the Tea Party have to say about Galileo? Or, for that matter, the Pope?

270 Amory Blaine  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 4:18:05pm

re: #261 Walter L. Newton

I like that…teepers.

271 Four More Tears  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 4:18:16pm

re: #250 Spare O’Lake

I doubt anyone really knew Clinton as a bloke from Arkansas.
He is however well known as a bona fide lover of oral sax.

I love oral sax. It sounds so much better than when then play it out of their rear…

272 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 4:18:16pm

re: #266 albusteve

WTF dude?

273 albusteve  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 4:18:43pm

re: #267 Slumbering Behemoth

I think that’s the “Smokers Blow” argument.

I….wouldn’t know

274 Racer X  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 4:19:14pm

I really do detest smoking.

I’ve quit many times - the last about 25 years ago. I’m not trying to insult anyone here - but you really should quit this nasty habit. There is no logical reason why you need to smoke, and there are hundreds of reasons why you should quit.

275 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 4:19:16pm

re: #270 Amory Blaine

I like that…teepers.

Well… SFZ used the term first here… I never saw it before… thank her. Personally… I think it’s demeaning.

276 HoosierHoops  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 4:19:51pm

re: #26wink*5 JasonA

The word “fact” doesn’t mean what you think it means.

You know what they say Jason
Just because something is a well known fact doesn’t make it the truth
*Wink*

277 albusteve  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 4:19:55pm

re: #272 Slumbering Behemoth

WTF dude?

did you follow Bills demise?…did you understand how it came about?

278 Amory Blaine  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 4:20:16pm

re: #275 Walter L. Newton

Maybe a tad less than teabaggers

279 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 4:20:23pm

re: #248 Racer X

Smokers suck. It’s a filthy, nasty habit.

They stink too.

280 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 4:21:24pm

re: #277 albusteve

You were replying to a comment about what “most men like”, not one about Bill. That’s why the “WTF?”

281 albusteve  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 4:23:01pm

re: #279 Alouette

They stink too.

excuse me, that’s a subjective observation…the first thing I do in the morning is rub wet cigarettes into my pits…I like it, and you are simply being judgmental…go suck your Brute

282 albusteve  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 4:23:50pm

re: #280 Slumbering Behemoth

You were replying to a comment about what “most men like”, not one about Bill. That’s why the “WTF?”

I cannot prove Bill was a rapists…and he won’t return my calls

283 darthstar  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 4:23:56pm

Times Square bomber: “I want to plead guilty 100 times over”

His guilty plea was consistent with his behavior since his arrest on May 3, when he began cooperating with federal authorities for more than two weeks without counsel and waived his Miranda rights. The only question would be whether Mr. Shahzad would be seeking some sort of leniency in sentencing in return for his assistance, something his lawyers may be seeking.

But legal experts say that absent any sort of written agreement — and there may be none since he cooperated for so long without a lawyer — the government is under no obligation to push for leniency for Mr. Shahzad, who faces a mandatory life sentence on two counts.

284 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 4:24:32pm

Check out the Israel-disliker at TrueSlant, who thinks I made up that story about the potato battery:

[Link: trueslant.com…]

285 albusteve  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 4:26:50pm

re: #284 Charles

Check out the Israel-disliker at TrueSlant, who thinks I made up that story about the potato battery:

[Link: trueslant.com…]

you evil genius!…free the spud!

286 Gus  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 4:27:09pm

re: #284 Charles

Check out the Israel-disliker at TrueSlant, who thinks I made up that story about the potato battery:

[Link: trueslant.com…]

Not that guy again: Justin St. Giles Payne. I thought he was also an LGF member? Methinks he’s suffering from a severe case of Israel Derangement Syndrome (IDS).

287 darthstar  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 4:27:11pm

re: #285 albusteve

you evil genius!…free the spud!

That’s iSpud 4.0 to you.

288 rwdflynavy  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 4:27:42pm

re: #284 Charles

Check out the Israel-disliker at TrueSlant, who thinks I made up that story about the potato battery:

[Link: trueslant.com…]

You know the potato battery was an invention of the Palestinian people you Zionist lackey!!!!!
//

289 albusteve  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 4:27:51pm

re: #287 darthstar

That’s iSpud 4.0 to you.

DRINK!
SMOKE!

290 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 4:28:06pm

re: #259 jmalco

thght ftr rdng ths y wr vry nfr t th sprr Nk thn sw tht mzn ws yr “prtnr” fr frr rvw.

Sock puppet says what?

291 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 4:28:23pm

re: #248 Racer X

Smokers suck. It’s a filthy, nasty habit.

Don’t exaggerate. It’s spitting chewing tobacco on the floor that is the filthy, nasty habit. Smoking is just dirty and deadly.

292 albusteve  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 4:30:28pm

re: #291 Spare O’Lake

Don’t exaggerate. It’s spitting chewing tobacco on the floor that is the filthy, nasty habit. Smoking is just dirty and deadly.

when K Richards croaks, I’m gonna quit

293 Gus  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 4:30:51pm

re: #287 darthstar

That’s iSpud 4.0 to you.

Read the Protocols of Starch!!11ty

/

294 Nimed  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 4:30:57pm

re: #251 Walter L. Newton

I only “agree” with the criticisms because Obama promised he would do something about these areas, and he hasn’t. Otherwise, I’m fine with the current state of affairs.

No… this is someone who you would be more likely to respect and listen to… other than Ron Paul…

The head of the ACLU…

[Link: www.politico.com…]

Oh, I know. And Greenwald (on this issue, but not others), Spencer Ackerman and Adam Serwer… there’s a lot of people that I respect more than Ron Paul. But Ron Paul has the biggest megaphone.

295 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 4:31:02pm

re: #258 SanFranciscoZionist

The only membership card I have is the one to my Y.

Oh, the sign said you got to have a membership card to get inside…

296 albusteve  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 4:31:56pm

re: #290 Charles

Sock puppet says what?

he’s been “prtnr’ed”

297 albusteve  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 4:32:57pm

re: #295 Spare O’Lake

Oh, the sign said you got to have a membership card to get inside…

it’s easier when you get your picture on the cover of rolling stone

298 HoosierHoops  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 4:34:08pm

Well I have never been in a martini bar smoking Cuban Cigars.. Never once..
/Is lighting going to strike now?

299 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 4:35:04pm

OT: I have thought of a much more believable and plausible BP oil spill conspiracy, tell me what you think:

Karl Rove: Dick, you have to help us, the Republicans just aren’t going to pick up enough seats in Congress in November to take over both Houses of Congress.

Dick Cheney: What do you need me to do Karl?

Karl Rove: You still have a lot of friends at Haliburton right?

Dick Cheney: Well sure I do Karl, I hav…

Karl Rove: Can you get them to sabotage a well, I mean a deep one, one that can’t be fixed for months and months, one that we can call…uhh, Obama’s Katrina!

Dick Cheney: Are you nuts, that would cost billions and hurt the whole oil industry…

Karl Rove: Wait a second Dick, Haliburton is just a sub-contractor right? We will make sure that all the blame falls on the company they are working for like uhh…Petronas or maybe BP, some foriegn corporation. We will make sure that they get all the blame for the shitty well closure job, Haliburton will have nothing to worry about.

Dick Cheney: Well, I don’t know Karl, that seems a bit craz…

Karl Rove: DON”T YOU SAY THAT! DON”T YOU DARE CALL ME CRAZY! I’LL KILL YOU AND THEN EAT YOUR INTESTINES RAW! I’M NOT CRAZY DAMN YOU!

Dick Cheney: Uhh…ahh…ok Karl, I’ll see what I can do, ok?

Karl Rove: Thanks Dick, I knew that I could count on you…

///this is in no way intended to reflect reality, it is merely an exercise in creative fiction.

300 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 4:35:08pm

re: #275 Walter L. Newton

Well… SFZ used the term first here… I never saw it before… thank her. Personally… I think it’s demeaning.

Well, crap, you gotta call ‘em something, and ‘Tea Party Attendees’ takes a while to type out over and over.

They don’t like being called teabaggers.

“Tea-ers” is hard to say and spell. Turns into ‘tears’, no matter how hard you try.

I’ve tried “the People of the Tea”, but it sounds a little formal for daily speech.

“Teepers”. Short for “Tea Partiers”. What’s demeaning? It’s certainly no worse than ‘moonbat’ or ‘wingnut’.

301 albusteve  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 4:35:21pm

re: #298 HoosierHoops

Well I have never been in a martini bar smoking Cuban Cigars.. Never once..
/Is lighting going to strike now?

I haven’t either, but I’ve eaten some killer Cuban food…Napierville Ill

302 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 4:36:06pm

re: #262 webevintage

Aren’t most men?

‘Tis better to give than to receive…umm…errr…welll…uhhh…never mind.

303 rwdflynavy  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 4:36:12pm

re: #299 ausador

Rove, You Magnificent Bastard!!!!!

304 albusteve  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 4:36:24pm

re: #299 ausador

maybe I’ll repost this a few time just to chew up bandwidth

305 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 4:38:15pm

re: #284 Charles

Check out the Israel-disliker at TrueSlant, who thinks I made up that story about the potato battery:

[Link: trueslant.com…]

Last year at a community event, my little Zionist group had a sign with pictures of all the stuff made with Israeli tech on it. Cellphones, and medical equipment and such. A woman stopped, glared at the sign and said ‘prove it’.

Odd. I would have assumed the response would be more like ‘of course Israel makes technological breakthroughs, they’re a first-world country leeching off the blood of the Palestinians’. Or ‘do children in Gaza have access to this stuff?’. But no, the dislike is so intense that the mere idea that Israel produces technology seems unlikely to them.

306 albusteve  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 4:38:41pm

re: #300 SanFranciscoZionist

Well, crap, you gotta call ‘em something, and ‘Tea Party Attendees’ takes a while to type out over and over.

They don’t like being called teabaggers.

“Tea-ers” is hard to say and spell. Turns into ‘tears’, no matter how hard you try.

I’ve tried “the People of the Tea”, but it sounds a little formal for daily speech.

“Teepers”. Short for “Tea Partiers”. What’s demeaning? It’s certainly no worse than ‘moonbat’ or ‘wingnut’.

only a true prog would question whether teepers is demeaning…I’m so ashamed

307 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 4:39:22pm

re: #299 ausador

I think that sometimes an oil spill is only an oil spill.

308 HoosierHoops  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 4:40:22pm

re: #301 albusteve

I haven’t either, but I’ve eaten some killer Cuban food…Napierville Ill

Really..Never had the chance to go there…Chicago food is nothing more than fat..Sorry…
I’ll be a southern boy soon Steve..I’m going all cowboy hat out..Wink
/

309 albusteve  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 4:41:30pm

re: #308 HoosierHoops

Really..Never had the chance to go there…Chicago food is nothing more than fat..Sorry…
I’ll be a southern boy soon Steve..I’m going all cowboy hat out..Wink
/

you are clueless
*wink*

310 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 4:42:45pm

re: #300 SanFranciscoZionist

Well, crap, you gotta call ‘em something, and ‘Tea Party Attendees’ takes a while to type out over and over.

They don’t like being called teabaggers.

“Tea-ers” is hard to say and spell. Turns into ‘tears’, no matter how hard you try.

I’ve tried “the People of the Tea”, but it sounds a little formal for daily speech.

“Teepers”. Short for “Tea Partiers”. What’s demeaning? It’s certainly no worse than ‘moonbat’ or ‘wingnut’.

I’m sorry SFZ. I thought “tee” was referring to their manhood, as in “tee tee” and I saw the “per” as being diminutive… ergo… I thought you were calling them “little pricks.”

311 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 4:43:57pm

re: #284 Charles

Check out the Israel-disliker at TrueSlant, who thinks I made up that story about the potato battery:

[Link: trueslant.com…]

Cool: Israelis Develop Solar Air Conditioner

312 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 4:44:26pm

re: #300 SanFranciscoZionist

Well, crap, you gotta call ‘em something, and ‘Tea Party Attendees’ takes a while to type out over and over.

They don’t like being called teabaggers.

“Tea-ers” is hard to say and spell. Turns into ‘tears’, no matter how hard you try.

I’ve tried “the People of the Tea”, but it sounds a little formal for daily speech.

“Teepers”. Short for “Tea Partiers”. What’s demeaning? It’s certainly no worse than ‘moonbat’ or ‘wingnut’.

I like “teepers”.
I like it better than “teabaggers”, which I’ve never been comfortable with.
Tea Partiers is OK.
But so is Teepers.

313 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 4:44:51pm

re: #307 SanFranciscoZionist

I think that sometimes an oil spill is only an oil spill.

Yes but doesn’t my conspiracy theory make more sense than the ones where Obama organized the spill? ;)

/yeah I know, insanity is just insanity, there is no “better.”

314 OldnGrumpy  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 4:45:52pm

I am cornholio

I need TP-ers for my bunghole

315 albusteve  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 4:46:05pm

re: #312 reine.de.tout

I like “teepers”.
I like it better than “teabaggers”, which I’ve never been comfortable with.
Tea Partiers is OK.
But so is Teepers.

yes, type less but say more…TPs is fine with me

316 HoosierHoops  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 4:46:08pm

re: #309 albusteve

you are clueless
*wink*

Yes I am Steve..I have never claimed otherwise…
I’m just a guy on the Internet…Nothing special…
/These freaking painkillers for my ankle are great.. I’m ready to answer the greatest mysteries in the Universe…Wait..My mouth is dry..I’ll be right back

317 Gus  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 4:46:39pm

re: #312 reine.de.tout

I like “teepers”.
I like it better than “teabaggers”, which I’ve never been comfortable with.
Tea Partiers is OK.
But so is Teepers.

Wouldn’t it be Teapers?

When I saw Teepers I thought of a tipi.

318 albusteve  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 4:47:30pm

re: #316 HoosierHoops

Yes I am Steve..I have never claimed otherwise…
I’m just a guy on the Internet…Nothing special…
/These freaking painkillers for my ankle are great.. I’m ready to answer the greatest mysteries in the Universe…Wait..My mouth is dry..I’ll be right back

don’t light my fuse about Indy…talk about a massacre

319 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 4:48:13pm

re: #305 SanFranciscoZionist

Last year at a community event, my little Zionist group had a sign with pictures of all the stuff made with Israeli tech on it. Cellphones, and medical equipment and such. A woman stopped, glared at the sign and said ‘prove it’.

Odd. I would have assumed the response would be more like ‘of course Israel makes technological breakthroughs, they’re a first-world country leeching off the blood of the Palestinians’. Or ‘do children in Gaza have access to this stuff?’. But no, the dislike is so intense that the mere idea that Israel produces technology seems unlikely to them.

That’s just bizarre.

320 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 4:48:25pm

re: #310 Walter L. Newton

I’m sorry SFZ. I thought “tee” was referring to their manhood, as in “tee tee” and I saw the “per” as being diminutive… ergo… I thought you were calling them “little pricks.”

Well, I might be THINKING that, but no…

321 rwdflynavy  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 4:48:26pm

re: #311 Alouette

Cool: Israelis Develop Solar Air Conditioner

Those darn Jooos are so clever!!!11!!

//

322 KingKenrod  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 4:50:21pm

re: #311 Alouette

Cool: Israelis Develop Solar Air Conditioner

That’s cool (heh). And I was also about to post this story on another project that aims to cut air conditioning costs by at least 50%:

[Link: www.nrel.gov…]

323 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 4:51:09pm

re: #319 Alouette

That’s just bizarre.

I do wonder how these folks imagine Israel. I’d give a pretty to be able to put them through a detailed survey. Probably not likely to happen.

What are they envisioning?

324 HoosierHoops  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 4:51:29pm

re: #318 albusteve

don’t light my fuse about Indy…talk about a massacre


what does that mean? I like Indy!
Steve..I’m on painkillers…Bring it down to a 5th graders level…
Are you smarter than a 5th grader?
/

325 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 4:51:55pm

re: #321 rwdflynavy

Those darn Jooos are so clever!!!11!!

//

“Too clever by half.”

326 albusteve  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 4:53:07pm

re: #324 HoosierHoops

what does that mean? I like Indy!
Steve..I’m on painkillers…Bring it down to a 5th graders level…
Are you smarter than a 5th grader?
/

no, I won’t insult you

327 jamesfirecat  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 4:53:52pm

re: #259 jmalco

thght ftr rdng ths y wr vry nfr t th sprr Nk thn sw tht mzn ws yr “prtnr” fr frr rvw.

Is it wrong that whenever I see a post like this I feel the urge to try and reconstruct in my head what the original message was by adding different vowels at random till the result makes sense?

328 albusteve  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 4:54:57pm

re: #327 jamesfirecat

Is it wrong that whenever I see a post like this I feel the urge to try and reconstruct in my head what the original message was by adding different vowels at random till the result makes sense?

go for it…keeps you occupied

329 Sionainn  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 4:55:09pm

re: #314 OldnGrumpy

I didn’t realize my husband was posting here.
/

330 HoosierHoops  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 4:55:24pm

re: #326 albusteve

no, I won’t insult you

Thanks..It’s been a long weekend..Falling off the stairs at the pool really hurt..

331 rwdflynavy  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 4:55:25pm

re: #327 jamesfirecat

Is it wrong that whenever I see a post like this I feel the urge to try and reconstruct in my head what the original message was by adding different vowels at random till the result makes sense?

Let us know what you come up with…


//snickers…

332 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 4:56:25pm

re: #314 OldnGrumpy

I am cornholio

I need TP-ers for my bunghole

I suspect that the overwhelming majority of them aren’t into that.

333 OldnGrumpy  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 4:57:15pm

re: #329 Sionainn

I didn’t realize my husband was posting here.
/

Um I don’t know whether to be happy,insulted or afraid.

:)

334 rwdflynavy  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 4:57:31pm

bbiab.

335 albusteve  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 5:00:16pm

outa gas…

336 ryannon  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 5:00:48pm

re: #335 albusteve

outa gas…

and outta luck

337 albusteve  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 5:01:24pm

re: #336 ryannon

and outta luck

a bad rabbit

338 Macha  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 5:01:43pm

re: #274 Racer X

I really do detest smoking.

I’ve quit many times - the last about 25 years ago. I’m not trying to insult anyone here - but you really should quit this nasty habit. There is no logical reason why you need to smoke, and there are hundreds of reasons why you should quit.

And you also know that no one is going to quit smoking until they decide themselves to do it. I just don’t get ex-smokers ranting away at those who do still smoke. Everyone knows all the reasons why it is a good idea not to smoke. High taxes aren’t going to make people quit, nor is any other “logic”.

339 ryannon  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 5:02:06pm

re: #337 albusteve

a bad rabbit

better than a kitteh in your pot.

340 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 5:02:36pm

Drink!
/2 minutes late

341 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 5:03:15pm

There is a beautiful double rainbow outside right now….about five/six “rainbow thicknesses’ apart. The lower one is purple, blue, green, yellow, orange, red from the bottom up and the higher one is it’s mirror image, the colors are in reverse order.

I missed the “weather” when I was up in Alaska all those years, what they called a downpour up there hardly qualified as a sprinkle here, and I really missed the awesome thunderstorms. In seventeen years in Alaska I can only ever remember seeing one rainbow…of course then again you don’t see the “northern lights” down here…

342 Sionainn  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 5:03:26pm

re: #333 OldnGrumpy

Um I don’t know whether to be happy,insulted or afraid.

:)

He’s a keeper.

343 ryannon  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 5:03:55pm

Burma Shave.

344 albusteve  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 5:04:57pm

re: #340 Killgore Trout

Drink!
/2 minutes late

your personal efficiency is like an insult to me…we are polar opposites in that regard…it’d blow your mind to bunk with me amigo

345 OldnGrumpy  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 5:05:10pm

re: #342 Sionainn

He’s a keeper.

Exxxxxcellent

346 albusteve  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 5:05:49pm

re: #343 ryannon

Burma Shave.

heh…those were fun times

347 ryannon  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 5:06:52pm

re: #346 albusteve

heh…those were fun times

On the road

348 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 5:07:10pm

re: #344 albusteve

your personal efficiency is like an insult to me…we are polar opposites in that regard…it’d blow your mind to bunk with me amigo

I have few rules and little discipline but what few rules I have I stick to pretty religiously.

349 Gus  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 5:07:31pm

re: #347 ryannon

On the road

With Jack Kerouac.

350 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 5:07:49pm

re: #315 albusteve

yes, type less but say more…TPs is fine with me

I see “TP” I think “toilet paper”.
It’s the shorthand I use on my grocery list.

351 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 5:08:48pm

re: #350 reine.de.tout

I see “TP” I think “toilet paper”.
It’s the shorthand I use on my grocery list.

To think I’ve been wasting letters all these years writing out “ass wipe”.

352 albusteve  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 5:09:06pm

re: #348 Killgore Trout

I have few rules and little discipline but what few rules I have I stick to pretty religiously.

wake up KT it’s 3 am!…time to head for Mesa Verde!…grab some herb and a pint and off we go….you will DIG the sunrise I promise bro

353 Racer X  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 5:09:14pm

re: #348 Killgore Trout

I have few rules and little discipline but what few rules I have I stick to pretty religiously.

So I’m guessing bunking with Steve is right out?

354 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 5:10:32pm

re: #351 Killgore Trout

To think I’ve been wasting letters all these years writing out “ass wipe”.

ROFL.
Yes, indeed.
“AW” would do for that one.

355 albusteve  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 5:10:35pm

re: #350 reine.de.tout

I see “TP” I think “toilet paper”.
It’s the shorthand I use on my grocery list.

you foul old hag!
jus kiding
I don’t really care what you call them

356 albusteve  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 5:11:39pm

re: #351 Killgore Trout

To think I’ve been wasting letters all these years writing out “ass wipe”.

close…your gettin it
AW, TP…it’s all entwined together

357 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 5:11:49pm

re: #355 albusteve

you foul old hag!
jus kiding
I don’t really care what you call them

No, that’s what I might be if I never put “TP” on the shopping list.

358 darthstar  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 5:12:15pm

re: #350 reine.de.tout

I see “TP” I think “toilet paper”.
It’s the shorthand I use on my grocery list.

I used to write out “toilet paper” until Charles took away my ability to have a vowel movement.

359 ryannon  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 5:12:37pm

Real men don’t use TP

360 bratwurst  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 5:13:03pm

re: #338 Macha

And you also know that no one is going to quit smoking until they decide themselves to do it. I just don’t get ex-smokers ranting away at those who do still smoke. Everyone knows all the reasons why it is a good idea not to smoke. High taxes aren’t going to make people quit, nor is any other “logic”.


Actually, there is increasing evidence showing that tax hikes DO provide an impetus for smokers to quit.

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com…]
[Link: www.sciencedaily.com…]
[Link: www.cdc.gov…]

361 albusteve  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 5:13:19pm

re: #353 Racer X

So I’m guessing bunking with Steve is right out?

I’m flexable….having Killgore down would be cool, he’d love NM, he’s probably propose to me

362 HoosierHoops  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 5:13:46pm

Oh..Here is something you Lizards really want to know..
When sliding down a ladder at the pool…With water everywhere.. You’re first instinct is to catch a step of the ladder on the way down..Trust me..It is…
I did catch my foot between the first and second step traveling at 9.8 meters per second per second..
The whole problem with that theory is the rest of your body doesn’t stop and concrete doesn’t give a effen inch.. And to just to add insult to injury..Your foot is caught in the steps…
So to add to any survivor man show. Just in case you are stepping out of a pool . Just slide down the stairs and be a man and take it on the ass.. You’ll thank yourself in the morning…Do not try to catch a step..
/That’s the painkillers talking

363 Racer X  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 5:13:52pm

re: #359 ryannon

Real men don’t use TP

I use the cat.

364 darthstar  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 5:15:12pm

re: #363 Racer X

I use the cat.

That’s gross…their tongues are so scratchy.

365 albusteve  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 5:15:14pm

re: #357 reine.de.tout

No, that’s what I might be if I never put “TP” on the shopping list.

you cannot escape…the pols have snatched you forever…nice knowin ya!

366 ryannon  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 5:15:59pm

re: #363 Racer X

I use the cat.

Best laugh of the evening - upding!

367 Gus  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 5:16:31pm

Where’s Cato?

368 darthstar  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 5:16:55pm

re: #367 Gus 802

Where’s Cato?

I can tell you where he isn’t.

369 albusteve  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 5:17:08pm

re: #363 Racer X

I use the cat.

I use a team of Great Danes….they come with a handler tho

370 darthstar  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 5:18:18pm

re: #369 albusteve

I use a team of Great Danes…they come with a handler tho

I’m so leaving that one alone.

371 albusteve  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 5:18:28pm

re: #367 Gus 802

Where’s Cato?

somewhere he’s tossed Sarah over the buckboard again…..he’ll be around when he’s done

372 albusteve  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 5:20:04pm

re: #370 darthstar

I’m so leaving that one alone.

Barkus!
Growlus!
come boys!

373 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 5:21:12pm

re: #323 SanFranciscoZionist

I do wonder how these folks imagine Israel. I’d give a pretty to be able to put them through a detailed survey. Probably not likely to happen.

What are they envisioning?

I escorted a group of elderly American Jews over there just about ten years ago, (don’t ask, it is an extremely long story), they were pleased with the “old city” of Jerusalem but bitched and moaned about everything else. “Too modern” “doesn’t look at all like the ‘holy land’ to me” “I thought I could get photos of people living like they did in Jesus’s time” etc, etc…

Then we crossed over into Syria and they were all thrilled speechless, now this was the way that they had pictured the “holy land” people living in mud brick homes and herding goats while wearing home spun clothing.

“What are they envisioning?,” you asked?

Unfortunately that is what they were envisioning, they want backward goat herders, not modern towns and cities. :(

374 darthstar  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 5:21:59pm

re: #362 HoosierHoops

I slipped on the steps the other night when my dog got trapped on the lower lawn at our house behind a gate. 2am. Me, nekkid, falling down brazilian hardwood stairs. My elbow and ass took the brunt of it, but man did that hurt. I still can’t put pressure on my left elbow.

375 Racer X  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 5:23:23pm

re: #364 darthstar

That’s gross…their tongues are so scratchy.

Take it like a man!

376 HoosierHoops  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 5:26:16pm

re: #374 darthstar

I slipped on the steps the other night when my dog got trapped on the lower lawn at our house behind a gate. 2am. Me, nekkid, falling down brazilian hardwood stairs. My elbow and ass took the brunt of it, but man did that hurt. I still can’t put pressure on my left elbow.

Doesn’t that suck? I never should have tried to catch a step..
Hope you get feeling better..

377 albusteve  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 5:26:44pm

re: #373 ausador

my parents went to the ME, Israel specifically, and Egypt, 3-4 times….modern TA blew my dad away… the beaches, the agriculture, the city….on and on, and he video taped all of his travels…he loved Israel and he loved talking about Israel

378 darthstar  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 5:27:44pm

re: #376 HoosierHoops

Doesn’t that suck? I never should have tried to catch a step..
Hope you get feeling better..

I’m alright, the initial pain was bad though…got back into the bed and my wife said, “What’s wrong? You’re rolling around like an Italian soccer player after taking a dive?” I was physically writhing in pain.

379 albusteve  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 5:28:59pm

re: #376 HoosierHoops

Doesn’t that suck? I never should have tried to catch a step..
Hope you get feeling better..

so you guys have trouble walking near the pool or down the back steps…good grief
you’re are no pirates

380 darthstar  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 5:30:08pm

re: #379 albusteve

so you guys have trouble walking near the pool or down the back steps…good grief
you’re are no pirates

Yes I am…when I fell, the first thing that came out of my mouth was “AAARRGH”

381 Gus  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 5:30:18pm

No Blood for Lithium!

/

382 albusteve  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 5:32:14pm

re: #380 darthstar

Yes I am…when I fell, the first thing that came out of my mouth was “AAARRGH”

Curly Joe

383 Varek Raith  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 5:33:39pm

re: #381 Gus 802

No Blood for Lithium!

/

LGF PAGE PIMP!
/

384 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 5:34:11pm

re: #361 albusteve

I’m actually not a big fan of New Mexico. Lousy gardening. Mom lives in Santa Fe and she’s always trying to get me to move there. The climate is also hell on violins and cellos. Not for me.

385 Gus  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 5:34:24pm

re: #383 Varek Raith

LGF PAGE PIMP!
/

Yep! 5 bucks a hit!

/

386 HoosierHoops  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 5:34:33pm

re: #379 albusteve

so you guys have trouble walking near the pool or down the back steps…good grief
you’re are no pirates

I learned my lesson …Steps in a pool? Wet? Don’t be a dumb ass…
Those brain neurons are busy at work tonight..Well except for the whole painkiller effect…Look at the pretty colors!
Mommy..Why is there a stack of turtles?

387 darthstar  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 5:34:39pm

re: #382 albusteve

Curly Joe

Image: ww122.jpg

388 Varek Raith  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 5:34:49pm

re: #385 Gus 802

Yep! 5 bucks a hit!

/

AND A CHEAP ONE AT THAT!
/

389 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 5:36:30pm

re: #373 ausador

I escorted a group of elderly American Jews over there just about ten years ago, (don’t ask, it is an extremely long story), they were pleased with the “old city” of Jerusalem but bitched and moaned about everything else. “Too modern” “doesn’t look at all like the ‘holy land’ to me” “I thought I could get photos of people living like they did in Jesus’s time” etc, etc…

Then we crossed over into Syria and they were all thrilled speechless, now this was the way that they had pictured the “holy land” people living in mud brick homes and herding goats while wearing home spun clothing.

“What are they envisioning?,” you asked?

Unfortunately that is what they were envisioning, they want backward goat herders, not modern towns and cities. :(

My daughter lives in the Galilee. Quaint enough for the tourists, but modern enough for the people who actually live there.

390 albusteve  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 5:37:18pm

so I was at Marly’s grave with friends that had never been to Jamaicare: #384 Killgore Trout

I’m actually not a big fan of New Mexico. Lousy gardening. Mom lives in Santa Fe and she’s always trying to get me to move there. The climate is also hell on violins and cellos. Not for me.

pretty dry down here…but wood does not rot
your expensive violins would end up being $20 fiddles

391 albusteve  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 5:38:16pm

re: #390 albusteve

so I was at Marly’s grave with friends that had never been to Jamaica

pretty dry down here…but wood does not rot
your expensive violins would end up being $20 fiddles

over speak…don’t panic

392 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 5:38:21pm

Faisal Shahzad is an asshole.

393 Varek Raith  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 5:38:58pm

re: #391 albusteve

over speak…don’t panic

Whew, I was about to declare a planet wide state of emergency.

394 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 5:40:12pm

Anyone familiar with Francis of Assisi?
I’m interested in his writings on poverty and humility. Anyone know where to start?

395 albusteve  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 5:40:13pm

re: #393 Varek Raith

Whew, I was about to declare a planet wide state of emergency.

like driving down the freeway…signs here and there

396 Gus  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 5:41:17pm

re: #393 Varek Raith

Whew, I was about to declare a planet wide state of emergency.

Initiate the Global Humidor Machine at once!

/

397 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 5:42:42pm

re: #394 Killgore Trout

Anyone familiar with Francis of Assisi?
I’m interested in his writings on poverty and humility. Anyone know where to start?

Ok… this is not terribly historically accurate, but for mood/feel/internalization… the movie “Father Sun, Sister Moon” is an interesting look at his life.

[Link: www.imdb.com…]

398 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 5:44:15pm

re: #394 Killgore Trout

Anyone familiar with Francis of Assisi?
I’m interested in his writings on poverty and humility. Anyone know where to start?

I have a friend who may know.
I’ll ask her and after she answers, I’ll get back to you when I “see” you here.

399 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 5:44:35pm

re: #397 Walter L. Newton

I’d rather skip the pop culture renditions and read his original writings but I don’t know where to start.

400 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 5:44:51pm

re: #398 reine.de.tout

I have a friend who may know.
I’ll ask her and after she answers, I’ll get back to you when I “see” you here.

Thanks.

401 albusteve  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 5:44:56pm

re: #397 Walter L. Newton

Ok… this is not terribly historically accurate, but for mood/feel/internalization… the movie “Father Sun, Sister Moon” is an interesting look at his life.

[Link: www.imdb.com…]

movies leave a large carbon footprint…
I just think we should save the planet

402 Varek Raith  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 5:46:14pm

re: #401 albusteve

movies leave a large carbon footprint…
I just think we should save the planet

Why bother.
In a billion years the expanding sun will wipe out this puny planet.

403 Four More Tears  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 5:46:43pm

re: #401 albusteve

movies leave a large carbon footprint…
I just think we should save the planet

What if we need movies to help convince people we need to save the planet? Worked for nuclear proliferation.

404 sattv4u2  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 5:46:55pm

re: #401 albusteve

movies leave a large carbon footprint…
I just think we should save the planet

In light of the latest crop of disastrously terrible movies, I think the gov’t should impose a 6 month moratorium on Hollywood!

/

405 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 5:47:23pm

re: #394 Killgore Trout

My humility is the greatest thing about me! Want me to send you my writings on the subject? They’re fantastic!

406 Gus  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 5:47:50pm

re: #402 Varek Raith

Why bother.
In a billion years the expanding sun will wipe out this puny planet.

December 21, 2012!

/

407 albusteve  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 5:48:01pm

re: #402 Varek Raith

Why bother.
In a billion years the expanding sun will wipe out this puny planet.

and in a billion years the Lakers will have won 196,476,003 championships

408 prairiefire  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 5:48:18pm

re: #403 JasonA

What if we need movies to help convince people we need to save the planet? Worked for nuclear proliferation.

That movie apparently kept Pres. Reagan up nights. Me, too.

409 Varek Raith  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 5:49:25pm

re: #403 JasonA

What if we need movies to help convince people we need to save the planet? Worked for nuclear proliferation.

Interesting.

Reagan wrote in his diary that the film “left me greatly depressed,” and that it changed his mind on the prevailing policy on a “nuclear war”. In 1987 during the era of Mikhail Gorbachev’s glasnost and perestroika reforms, the film was shown on Soviet television. During the signing of the Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty at Reykjavik, Meyer received a telegram from President Reagan that said, ‘Don’t think your movie didn’t have any part of this, because it did.’
410 sattv4u2  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 5:49:26pm

re: #399 Killgore Trout

I’d rather skip the pop culture renditions and read his original writings but I don’t know where to start.


I have this on my bookshelf

I even read it ,,, ALL of it ,,, (twice, as a matter of fact!!))

[Link: www.amazon.com…]

411 Gus  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 5:50:17pm

re: #403 JasonA

What if we need movies to help convince people we need to save the planet? Worked for nuclear proliferation.

The Day After (Attack Segment)

Youtube Video
412 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 5:50:34pm

re: #373 ausador

I escorted a group of elderly American Jews over there just about ten years ago, (don’t ask, it is an extremely long story), they were pleased with the “old city” of Jerusalem but bitched and moaned about everything else. “Too modern” “doesn’t look at all like the ‘holy land’ to me” “I thought I could get photos of people living like they did in Jesus’s time” etc, etc…

Then we crossed over into Syria and they were all thrilled speechless, now this was the way that they had pictured the “holy land” people living in mud brick homes and herding goats while wearing home spun clothing.

“What are they envisioning?,” you asked?

Unfortunately that is what they were envisioning, they want backward goat herders, not modern towns and cities. :(

I think that’s what they imagine Palestinian life to look like, but that can’t be what they think Israelis live like. Israelis, to these people, are the quintessential NonIndigenousPeople. (TM).

413 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 5:52:54pm

re: #405 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

My humility is the greatest thing about me! Want me to send you my writings on the subject? They’re fantastic!

Not as fucking awesome as my quiet and unassuming plays I’ve written, in my spare time, when I was a monk, in Krasnoyarsk Russia… er… in a cave.

414 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 5:53:06pm

re: #374 darthstar

I slipped on the steps the other night when my dog got trapped on the lower lawn at our house behind a gate. 2am. Me, nekkid, falling down brazilian hardwood stairs. My elbow and ass took the brunt of it, but man did that hurt. I still can’t put pressure on my left elbow.

Some years ago, I took a tumble on a stair I didn’t expect to find there, fell, and landed with all my weight on the back of a chair I didn’t expect to find there—on one boob.

I couldn’t get the wind to scream for a minute or so, after which screaming seemed a little beside the point.

It was almost a week later when the bruide finally began to surface.

415 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 5:53:53pm

re: #389 Alouette

My daughter lives in the Galilee. Quaint enough for the tourists, but modern enough for the people who actually live there.

I think that’s what Joseph and Mary said when they moved there.

//

416 sattv4u2  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 5:54:01pm

re: #413 Walter L. Newton

Not as fucking awesome as my quiet and unassuming plays I’ve written, in my spare time, when I was a monk, in Krasnoyarsk Russia… er… in a cave.

walking up hill,,, in the snow ,, both ways ,,,, with newspaper wrapped around your feet cause you didn’t have shoes!

417 prairiefire  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 5:54:01pm

re: #414 SanFranciscoZionist

When the what surfaced?

418 Four More Tears  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 5:54:23pm

re: #411 Gus 802

This is from Threads, a British version that came out around the same time is is supposed to be even scarier. Haven’t seen it yet.

Youtube Video
419 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 5:55:32pm

re: #394 Killgore Trout

Anyone familiar with Francis of Assisi?
I’m interested in his writings on poverty and humility. Anyone know where to start?

Well, my city is named for him…but I really only know the legends, not much about his writing.

The National Shrine has his rule online.

420 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 5:55:47pm

re: #410 sattv4u2

I have this on my bookshelf

I even read it ,,, ALL of it ,,, (twice, as a matter of fact!!))

[Link: www.amazon.com…]

Thanks, I’ll look into it.

421 sattv4u2  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 5:55:55pm

re: #374 darthstar

I slipped on the steps the other night when my dog got trapped on the lower lawn at our house behind a gate. 2am. Me, nekkid, falling down brazilian hardwood stairs. My elbow and ass took the brunt of it, but man did that hurt. I still can’t put pressure on my left elbow.

we prolly could have empathized with the story without that particular factoid

422 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 5:56:48pm

re: #417 prairiefire

When the what surfaced?

Bruise. Sorry.

423 Gus  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 5:57:14pm

re: #418 JasonA

This is from Threads, a British version that came out around the same time is is supposed to be even scarier. Haven’t seen it yet.


[Video]

Thanks. Watching.

Glad the Cold War is over. For now.

424 prairiefire  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 6:00:13pm

re: #422 SanFranciscoZionist

Bruise. Sorry.

I thought it was a quaint Irish saying for a part of your anatomy!

425 Four More Tears  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 6:01:05pm

re: #423 Gus 802

Thanks. Watching.

Glad the Cold War is over. For now.

Quite concur.

Even with these crappy 80’s effects these clips make me have to change my underwear.

426 Varek Raith  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 6:01:10pm

re: #423 Gus 802

Thanks. Watching.

Glad the Cold War is over. For now.

Just wait until we figure out how to produce enough anti-matter to weaponize.
1 gram anti-matter+1 gram matter=About 40 kilotons of tnt.

427 Stan the Demanded Plan  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 6:02:41pm

re: #411 Gus 802

The Day After (Attack Segment)


[Video]

I have not seen it since it was first broadcast. Amazing.

428 Macha  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 6:02:57pm

re: #360 bratwurst

Actually, there is increasing evidence showing that tax hikes DO provide an impetus for smokers to quit.

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com…]
[Link: www.sciencedaily.com…]
[Link: www.cdc.gov…]

Apparently they do according to these articles, although I tend to be a bit suspicious of these kinds of polls. Other forms of tobacco use may rise, and polls can be deliberately skewed to produce what the interested parties may want to show. But I’ll give you that there is some truth to the statement that hiking taxes on cigarettes have a deterrent effect on smokers.

429 Four More Tears  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 6:09:06pm

Huh.

Some critics argued that the film’s message was misplaced. Commentator Ben Stein, who was critical of the movie’s message (i.e. that the strategy of Mutual Assured Destruction would lead to a war), wrote an article in the Los Angeles Herald-Examiner asking what life might be like in an America under Soviet occupation.

Stein was a nuclear apocalypse denier, too?

/

430 Gus  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 6:09:26pm

re: #425 JasonA

Quite concur.

Even with these crappy 80’s effects these clips make me have to change my underwear.

True. They also used a lot of stock footage but it works very well. When you look at the nuclear tests alone it’s difficult to imagine what effect an all out nuclear exchange would cause. We have Hiroshima and Nagasaki which illustrates the human injuries and death from an atomic attack however it doesn’t illustrate what came later: the possibility of worldwide destruction or with all NATO and WARSAW pact nations.

Never really gave it much though at the time between the late 60s and into the 80s. I guess most of were passive or by then saw that MAD would prevent a nuclear exchange. There was one close call that I can’t recall at this time but that close call was actually an error and it could have led to a limited exchange or beyond.

431 Gus  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 6:11:33pm

re: #429 JasonA

Huh.

Stein was a nuclear apocalypse denier, too?

/

You know it’s funny because when I was watching Atomic Cafe the other night the word denier came to mind. There was a great deal of denialism going on during the Cold War especially in the 50s about the true results of a nuclear attack. Not only denial but outright anti-science and fabrications. That includes a lot of fiction about survivability.

432 ryannon  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 6:12:01pm

re: #399 Killgore Trout

I’d rather skip the pop culture renditions and read his original writings but I don’t know where to start.

Start by Googling: “The writings of Saint Francis of Assisi” and you’ll get this result, which contains the translations of numerous original documents

[Link: www.google.com…]

433 Four More Tears  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 6:12:22pm

re: #430 Gus 802

On a related topic, I still don’t understand the logic behind the ABM treaty. Why was it a good thing that Russia and the US agreed to not develop weapons that could defend against ICBMs?

434 Four More Tears  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 6:12:42pm

re: #431 Gus 802

You know it’s funny because when I was watching Atomic Cafe the other night the word denier came to mind. There was a great deal of denialism going on during the Cold War especially in the 50s about the true results of a nuclear attack. Not only denial but outright anti-science and fabrications. That includes a lot of fiction about survivability.

Duck and cover!

435 Varek Raith  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 6:13:10pm

re: #431 Gus 802

You know it’s funny because when I was watching Atomic Cafe the other night the word denier came to mind. There was a great deal of denialism going on during the Cold War especially in the 50s about the true results of a nuclear attack. Not only denial but outright anti-science and fabrications. That includes a lot of fiction about survivability.

“Now, if you’ll excuse me, I got a mushroom cloud to walk into.”

436 Gus  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 6:13:54pm

re: #433 JasonA

On a related topic, I still don’t understand the logic behind the ABM treaty. Why was it a good thing that Russia and the US agreed to not develop weapons that could defend against ICBMs?

Oh. Because having ABMs would increase your defensive capabilities thereby making you more willing to pull the trigger first.

437 Gus  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 6:15:33pm

re: #435 Varek Raith

“Now, if you’ll excuse me, I got a mushroom cloud to walk into.”

Just lie down and remember not to breath during the blast. Once it’s over just settle down with a smoke of Camel filter-less cigarettes.

/

438 Stan the Demanded Plan  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 6:15:44pm

re: #430 Gus 802

Remember this?

An Air Force squadron commander has been relieved of his command after five nuclear weapons were mistakenly loaded aboard a B-52 and flown cross-country from North Dakota to Louisiana last week, NBC News reported.

Five 150-kiloton warheads were attached to cruise missiles that were flown from Minot Air Force Base in North Dakota to Barksdale Air Force Base in Louisiana to be dismantled, but they should have been removed, according to officials.

First link that I got

439 Varek Raith  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 6:16:20pm

Sigh.
BBL, SVN is being stoopid.

440 Four More Tears  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 6:16:57pm

re: #436 Gus 802

Oh. Because having ABMs would increase your defensive capabilities thereby making you more willing to pull the trigger first.

So instead we just built more and more offensive weapons…

I get the point, but only to a point. Hell, I’m an outside the boxer who would suggest a joint venture to make them together. :)

441 Targetpractice  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 6:17:22pm

re: #435 Varek Raith

“Now, if you’ll excuse me, I got a mushroom cloud to walk into.”

Those tapes were a bitch to find. But it was all worth it in the end…I think.

442 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 6:17:32pm

re: #394 Killgore Trout

Oh! Can’t resist…

And to Saint Francis, who’s father always called him a sissy.
Never got a dinner.
-Red Buttons

443 Gus  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 6:17:36pm

re: #438 Stanley Sea

Remember this?

First link that I got

Yep, I remember that. Wayward nukes. Making people wonder if they could do that and how it could wind up in the wrong hands. If that happened under Obama’s watch… Well, you know.

444 Gus  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 6:19:20pm

re: #440 JasonA

So instead we just built more and more offensive weapons…

I get the point, but only to a point. Hell, I’m an outside the boxer who would suggest a joint venture to make them together. :)

Well, you could fire your ICBMs at the USSR and thumb your nose at them because you would be confident that your ABMs would defend you from a retaliatory strike. And vice versa.

445 Targetpractice  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 6:36:21pm

re: #433 JasonA

On a related topic, I still don’t understand the logic behind the ABM treaty. Why was it a good thing that Russia and the US agreed to not develop weapons that could defend against ICBMs?

Four letters: MIRV. Multiple Independently-Targeted Reentry Vehicles. Before they were developed, ICBMS were limited to a single warhead apiece, meaning you only needed a single ABM to take down a single ICBM. But with MIRV, you could pack 4, 6, 8, even 10 individual warheads per missile, each with a separate target. Now you needed 10 ABMs for every ICBM, and perhaps even more if the Soviets included dummy warheads and other defensive systems aimed at defeating ABMs.

446 Four More Tears  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 6:39:04pm

re: #445 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Four letters: MIRV. Multiple Independently-Targeted Reentry Vehicles. Before they were developed, ICBMS were limited to a single warhead apiece, meaning you only needed a single ABM to take down a single ICBM. But with MIRV, you could pack 4, 6, 8, even 10 individual warheads per missile, each with a separate target. Now you needed 10 ABMs for every ICBM, and perhaps even more if the Soviets included dummy warheads and other defensive systems aimed at defeating ABMs.

Ah. And that’s why we never signed an anti-Force Field treaty!

447 rwdflynavy  Mon, Jun 21, 2010 6:45:05pm
Some critics argued that the film’s message was misplaced. Commentator Ben Stein, who was critical of the movie’s message (i.e. that the strategy of Mutual Assured Destruction would lead to a war), wrote an article in the Los Angeles Herald-Examiner asking what life might be like in an America under Soviet occupation.

WOLVERINES!!!!!!


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