She opened her mouth like a firebucket and laughed. That terminated my interest in her. I couldn’t hear the laugh but the hole in her face when she unzippered her teeth was all I needed.
— Raymond Chandler, The Long Goodbye
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Four More Tears Mon, Jun 21, 2010 10:25:51pm |
I just got back from the hospital. My mom was hit by a van while crossing the street. She's conscious and stable, and I'm really happy about, but lots of fractures all over the place. Arm, hips, ribs, and probably legs.
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darthstar Mon, Jun 21, 2010 10:27:44pm |
re: #1 JasonA
Ooh...sorry to hear that, Jason...Was the driver who hit her drunk? My step father got hit by a van seven years ago (he's 84 now)...he did recover, which is the important thing. Best to you and your mom.
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Gus Mon, Jun 21, 2010 10:29:19pm |
re: #1 JasonA
I just got back from the hospital. My mom was hit by a van while crossing the street. She's conscious and stable, and I'm really happy about, but lots of fractures all over the place. Arm, hips, ribs, and probably legs.
That's terrible. I hope she pulls out fine including her recovery.
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Four More Tears Mon, Jun 21, 2010 10:29:30pm |
re: #2 darthstar
Ooh...sorry to hear that, Jason...Was the driver who hit her drunk? My step father got hit by a van seven years ago (he's 84 now)...he did recover, which is the important thing. Best to you and your mom.
Thanks. Her head and spine seem to be all there, and that's what I'd be most grateful for. No idea if he was drunk or not, but she was crossing at a "stop here on red" sign. Whether or not the light was red I don't know.
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Bagua Mon, Jun 21, 2010 10:30:44pm |
re: #1 JasonA
I just got back from the hospital. My mom was hit by a van while crossing the street. She's conscious and stable, and I'm really happy about, but lots of fractures all over the place. Arm, hips, ribs, and probably legs.
My prayers for a complete recovery for your Mom.
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Four More Tears Mon, Jun 21, 2010 10:30:59pm |
re: #3 Gus 802
That's terrible. I hope she pulls out fine including her recovery.
Thanks. The doctor said she should be in the ICU for a few days, but he didn't tell me anything to make me worry beyond the obvious.
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Four More Tears Mon, Jun 21, 2010 10:31:16pm |
re: #5 Bagua
My prayers for a complete recovery for your Mom.
Thank you, Bagua. I do appreciate that.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jun 21, 2010 10:31:37pm |
re: #6 JasonA
Thanks. The doctor said she should be in the ICU for a few days, but he didn't tell me anything to make me worry beyond the obvious.
Hope she makes a full recovery, Jason. Goodnight, everyone.
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Four More Tears Mon, Jun 21, 2010 10:32:01pm |
re: #8 Dark_Falcon
Hope she makes a full recovery, Jason. Goodnight, everyone.
Thank you, DF. Sleep well.
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Gus Mon, Jun 21, 2010 10:38:44pm |
re: #6 JasonA
Thanks. The doctor said she should be in the ICU for a few days, but he didn't tell me anything to make me worry beyond the obvious.
Were you able to talk with her?
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darthstar Mon, Jun 21, 2010 10:40:18pm |
I'm off to bed. Jason, positive thoughts for your mom. Everyone else, be safe.
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Four More Tears Mon, Jun 21, 2010 10:40:52pm |
re: #10 Gus 802
Were you able to talk with her?
Yep. She's fully conscious and able to talk just fine.
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Irenicum Mon, Jun 21, 2010 10:40:59pm |
re: #1 JasonA
Oh man. I'm glad it's not worse. Prayers for her to make a full recovery.
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Four More Tears Mon, Jun 21, 2010 10:41:32pm |
re: #13 Irenicum
Oh man. I'm glad it's not worse. Prayers for her to make a full recovery.
Thank you very much, Irenicum.
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Gus Mon, Jun 21, 2010 10:41:52pm |
re: #12 JasonA
Yep. She's fully conscious and able to talk just fine.
Good. I can't imagine the pain. I had a hairline fracture once and it hurt like the Dickens.
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Four More Tears Mon, Jun 21, 2010 10:44:34pm |
re: #15 Gus 802
Good. I can't imagine the pain. I had a hairline fracture once and it hurt like the Dickens.
I broke my ankle when I was a youngin'. It was a pretty bad break, and I was in the hospital for the better part of two weeks. She has them in several places :( And they can't give her morphine because her blood pressure is too low.
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Irenicum Mon, Jun 21, 2010 10:46:43pm |
Accidents like this are a stark reminder of how fragile life really is. And of how valuable our relationships are as well. If you've left a hug or a kiss undone for too long, or a reconciling word long overdue, please waste no time. For there's no time like the present to do the right thing. I say this as much to myself as to anyone else.
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BARACK THE VOTE Mon, Jun 21, 2010 10:53:46pm |
re: #6 JasonA
Thanks. The doctor said she should be in the ICU for a few days, but he didn't tell me anything to make me worry beyond the obvious.
I'm so sorry Jason! Jimmah and I will be thinking of you, your mom and your family. Best wishes for a complete and speedy recovery!
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Four More Tears Mon, Jun 21, 2010 10:56:36pm |
re: #18 iceweasel
I'm so sorry Jason! Jimmah and I will be thinking of you, your mom and your family. Best wishes for a complete and speedy recovery!
Pfft. Atheist wishes. :P
///
Thank you very much, you two. Between this and FBV's ordeal there's a lot of crappy happening to lizard family, lately.
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CuriousLurker Mon, Jun 21, 2010 10:57:23pm |
re: #1 JasonA
I just got back from the hospital. My mom was hit by a van while crossing the street. She's conscious and stable, and I'm really happy about, but lots of fractures all over the place. Arm, hips, ribs, and probably legs.
I can't stay tonight, but I saw your post and wanted to pop in to say I'm sorry to hear about your mom's accident. I'll say an extra prayer that her pain be alleviated and her recovery be swift & full.
Nite, Lizards. Stay safe.
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Four More Tears Mon, Jun 21, 2010 10:58:08pm |
re: #20 CuriousLurker
Thank you, CL. I appreciate that.
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Dancing along the light of day Mon, Jun 21, 2010 10:58:26pm |
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Gus Mon, Jun 21, 2010 10:58:53pm |
re: #19 JasonA
Pfft. Atheist wishes. :P
///
Thank you very much, you two. Between this and FBV's ordeal there's a lot of crappy happening to lizard family, lately.
May the physiological mending process go smoothly with little or no anomalies.
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Dancing along the light of day Mon, Jun 21, 2010 10:59:28pm |
re: #18 iceweasel
Yo!
Ice & Jimmah!
*smooch*
How are you two?
Best wishes & all that!
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Irenicum Mon, Jun 21, 2010 11:01:45pm |
re: #19 JasonA
Indeed. We've all had our more than fair share of difficult dealings lately. Oddly enough, living in community, even an online community, is an extremely helpful thing. I know I've been grateful for the kind words and prayers and good vibes sent my way in my own struggles. Y'all have been a source of strength to me and I hope I can somehow be that for you. Whatever you believe, we're stronger when we stand together than when we stand apart.
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Four More Tears Mon, Jun 21, 2010 11:01:47pm |
re: #23 Gus 802
May the physiological mending process go smoothly with little or no anomalies.
Heh. She's keeping herself happy with thoughts of getting the insurance company's money.
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Dancing along the light of day Mon, Jun 21, 2010 11:02:30pm |
Late here, later on the East.
Be well.
Play nicely, or beat the you know what out of them!
Disemvowel them!
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Four More Tears Mon, Jun 21, 2010 11:03:47pm |
re: #25 Irenicum
It's actually a very impressive community that we have here. Our differences can be vast at times, but we do know when to put them aside. I'm grateful for that.
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Four More Tears Mon, Jun 21, 2010 11:04:39pm |
re: #28 Floral Giraffe
Late here, later on the East.
Be well.
Play nicely, or beat the you know what out of them!
Disemvowel them!
{{Flo}} Thank you for the kind words.
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BARACK THE VOTE Mon, Jun 21, 2010 11:06:01pm |
re: #24 Floral Giraffe
Yo!
Ice & Jimmah!
*smooch*
How are you two?
Best wishes & all that!
Hey Floral! How are you?
Good to see you, as ever!
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boredtechindenver Mon, Jun 21, 2010 11:06:10pm |
re: #1 JasonA
I will keep your mother in my thoughts and prayers as well as you and the rest of your family.
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Four More Tears Mon, Jun 21, 2010 11:08:50pm |
re: #33 boredtechindenver
I will keep your mother in my thoughts and prayers as well as you and the rest of your family.
Thank you very much, Tech. And get some excitement in your life. :P
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Irenicum Mon, Jun 21, 2010 11:13:30pm |
Well, I really should get to bed now. Work beckons tomorrow in nary an hour few. Be well Jason and your mom too. G'nite gang.
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Four More Tears Mon, Jun 21, 2010 11:16:37pm |
re: #35 Irenicum
Well, I really should get to bed now. Work beckons tomorrow in nary an hour few. Be well Jason and your mom too. G'nite gang.
I should get to sleep, but I doubt I'll be able to. Rest well.
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Bagua Mon, Jun 21, 2010 11:21:45pm |
re: #36 JasonA
I should get to sleep, but I doubt I'll be able to. Rest well.
Please keep us informed and take time to rest and combat stress.
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Four More Tears Mon, Jun 21, 2010 11:23:27pm |
re: #37 Bagua
Please keep us informed and take time to rest and combat stress.
Eh. I'm sure I'll pass out sooner or later. Thanks, though.
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Bagua Mon, Jun 21, 2010 11:30:54pm |
re: #38 JasonA
Eh. I'm sure I'll pass out sooner or later. Thanks, though.
I just mention that because most of us don't think of ourselves during crises when we are busy helping a loved one. It takes a conscious effort to stay centered at such times.
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Four More Tears Mon, Jun 21, 2010 11:32:38pm |
re: #39 Bagua
I just mention that because most of us don't think of ourselves during crises when we are busy helping a loved one. It takes a conscious effort to stay centered at such times.
The worst part is there's nothing I can do to help her :(
Yeah, I can take care of the bills and stuff, but I can only visit her for, like, 10 minutes a day in the ICU.
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Bagua Mon, Jun 21, 2010 11:38:20pm |
re: #40 JasonA
The worst part is there's nothing I can do to help her :(
Yeah, I can take care of the bills and stuff, but I can only visit her for, like, 10 minutes a day in the ICU.
Wow, that would torment me as well. I hope you will be able to visit longer tomorrow and she can move to a normal ward soon.
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Four More Tears Mon, Jun 21, 2010 11:46:52pm |
re: #41 Bagua
Wow, that would torment me as well. I hope you will be able to visit longer tomorrow and she can move to a normal ward soon.
Nah, I can only visit for 10 minutes while she's in the ICU, and that's where she'll be for a few days at least.
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boredtechindenver Mon, Jun 21, 2010 11:56:35pm |
Trust me. Even if you aren't in the ICU room with her, if you are in the waiting room, she will know. And when she is in a regular room, just being there, she will appreciate it even more.
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Bagua Tue, Jun 22, 2010 12:02:29am |
Well, as long as the care is good I suppose one has to put up with their rules.
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boredtechindenver Tue, Jun 22, 2010 12:17:06am |
OT for an Open Thread:
Between On Demand, Hulu and Netflix instant play, along with working nights, I find that I time shift my television viewing habits quite a bit. I am thinking of getting Comcast's DVR for the shows that aren't online. It has cut into my reading time quite a bit.
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Bagua Tue, Jun 22, 2010 12:22:02am |
I've not reconnected my TV since the LOST series ended. Is there anything worth watching on?
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boredtechindenver Tue, Jun 22, 2010 12:32:51am |
If you liked "Deadwood", you might have liked "Justified". US Marshall in modern day Harlen County, KY, with Timothy Olyphant in the "Hero" role.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jun 22, 2010 12:36:28am |
re: #1 JasonA
I just got back from the hospital. My mom was hit by a van while crossing the street. She's conscious and stable, and I'm really happy about, but lots of fractures all over the place. Arm, hips, ribs, and probably legs.
I'm so sorry to hear about this, but happy she's conscious and stable. Hang in there!
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ClaudeMonet Tue, Jun 22, 2010 12:50:35am |
re: #1 JasonA
I just got back from the hospital. My mom was hit by a van while crossing the street. She's conscious and stable, and I'm really happy about, but lots of fractures all over the place. Arm, hips, ribs, and probably legs.
Hang in there, Jason. We're all rooting for your mom to make a full recovery.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Jun 22, 2010 1:32:15am |
Texas Republicans, you never let me down.
Marriage Licenses – We support legislation that would make it a felony to issue a marriage license to a same-sex couple and for any civil official to perform a marriage ceremony for such.
Homosexuality must not be presented as an acceptable “alternative” lifestyle in our public education and policy, nor should “family” be redefined to include homosexual “couples.” We are opposed to any granting of special legal entitlements, refuse to recognize, or grant special privileges including, but not limited to: marriage between persons of the same sex (regardless of state of origin), custody of children by homosexuals, homosexual partner insurance or retirement benefits. We oppose any criminal or civil penalties against those who oppose homosexuality out of faith, conviction, or belief in traditional values.
This is their party platform. All that's missing are the white sheets.
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Four More Tears Tue, Jun 22, 2010 1:36:35am |
re: #44 Bagua
Well, as long as the care is good I suppose one has to put up with their rules.
I was surprised to hear they took her to Jacobi since it's not the closest at all, but apparently they have they best trauma care in the area.
And that sleep thing? That ain't happening.
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Gus Tue, Jun 22, 2010 1:36:44am |
re: #50 WindUpBird
Texas Republicans, you never let me down.
This is their party platform. All that's missing are the white sheets.
Notice the wording. "Refuse to recognize" with "but not limited to." That means they want to have to ability to "regulate" GLBTs. Which they've done in the past. And they even oppose civil penalties based on discrimination of gays. That means they want to limit their ability to sue even if justified.
This goes beyond mere opposition to gay marriage. This is an outright assault on GLBTs on all fronts.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Jun 22, 2010 1:42:24am |
re: #52 Gus 802
Notice the wording. "Refuse to recognize" with "but not limited to." That means they want to have to ability to "regulate" GLBTs. Which they've done in the past. And they even oppose civil penalties based on discrimination of gays. That means they want to limit their ability to sue even if justified.
This goes beyond mere opposition to gay marriage. This is an outright assault on GLBTs on all fronts.
Yep! They want to make us an underclass and criminalize our relationships.
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Four More Tears Tue, Jun 22, 2010 1:42:49am |
re: #53 Boogberg
Best wishes to you and your Mom, JasonA.
Call it Watson all you want. I recognize Skynet when I see it!
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Jun 22, 2010 1:42:59am |
re: #53 Boogberg
Best wishes to you and your Mom, JasonA.
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Four More Tears Tue, Jun 22, 2010 1:43:21am |
re: #54 WindUpBird
Yep! They want to make us an underclass and criminalize our relationships.
Well maybe if you stopped getting your gay all up in their faces...
///
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BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Jun 22, 2010 1:44:44am |
re: #50 WindUpBird
Texas Republicans, you never let me down.
This is their party platform. All that's missing are the white sheets.
They're the party of values. Racist, bigoted theocrat wingnut values, that is.
Remember, wingnuts are opposed to ghey sex-- unless you're white, conservative Christian, opposite-married, male, Republican, and preferably only having your luggage lifted or snorting meth off a male hooker's ass, or just hanging yourself while wearing two wet suits.
IOKIYAR!
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Jun 22, 2010 1:45:06am |
re: #57 JasonA
Well maybe if you stopped getting your gay all up in their faces...
///
They just can't handle my gay eye and my gay ear
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Jun 22, 2010 1:45:50am |
re: #58 iceweasel
They're the party of values. Racist, bigoted theocrat wingnut values, that is.
Remember, wingnuts are opposed to ghey sex-- unless you're white, conservative Christian, opposite-married, male, Republican, and preferably only having your luggage lifted or snorting meth off a male hooker's ass, or just hanging yourself while wearing two wet suits.
IOKIYAR!
haha they're okay with gay prostitution, just not gay marriage!
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Gus Tue, Jun 22, 2010 1:46:14am |
re: #54 WindUpBird
Yep! They want to make us an underclass and criminalize our relationships.
I would say that the Texas GOP platform doesn't even pass Constitutional muster. The majority of what they support would result in a SCOTUS hearing.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Jun 22, 2010 1:46:51am |
re: #58 iceweasel
Certainly the Texas GOP is the party ofthis value :D
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Boogberg Tue, Jun 22, 2010 1:46:54am |
re: #55 JasonA
Lol! :D
I was trying to think of a sinister computer and all I could come up with was the M5. :)
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Gus Tue, Jun 22, 2010 1:47:16am |
re: #58 iceweasel
They're the party of values. Racist, bigoted theocrat wingnut values, that is.
Remember, wingnuts are opposed to ghey sex-- unless you're white, conservative Christian, opposite-married, male, Republican, and preferably only having your luggage lifted or snorting meth off a male hooker's ass, or just hanging yourself while wearing two wet suits.
IOKIYAR!
And if he happens to be your meth dealer that also gives you back rubs after a day of intense preaching.
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BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Jun 22, 2010 1:47:34am |
re: #52 Gus 802
Notice the wording. "Refuse to recognize" with "but not limited to." That means they want to have to ability to "regulate" GLBTs. Which they've done in the past. And they even oppose civil penalties based on discrimination of gays. That means they want to limit their ability to sue even if justified.
This goes beyond mere opposition to gay marriage. This is an outright assault on GLBTs on all fronts.
And what makes you think it will stop with the queer community?
This is the Texas Taliban. They're not only interested in stigmatising all GLBT people.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Jun 22, 2010 1:47:47am |
re: #61 Gus 802
I would say that the Texas GOP platform doesn't even pass Constitutional muster. The majority of what they support would result in a SCOTUS hearing.
Yeah, there's a whole lot there that simply is not possible.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Jun 22, 2010 1:48:39am |
re: #63 Boogberg
Lol! :D
I was trying to think of a sinister computer and all I could come up with was the M5. :)
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Four More Tears Tue, Jun 22, 2010 1:48:44am |
re: #63 Boogberg
Lol! :D
I was trying to think of a sinister computer and all I could come up with was the M5. :)
Huh? That's all you could think of?!?
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Four More Tears Tue, Jun 22, 2010 1:48:55am |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Jun 22, 2010 1:49:55am |
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Four More Tears Tue, Jun 22, 2010 1:50:07am |
Actually the most sinister, and utterly disturbing, supercomputer?
AM.
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BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Jun 22, 2010 1:50:25am |
re: #60 WindUpBird
haha they're okay with gay prostitution, just not gay marriage!
Marriage is a beautiful institution that exists between a wingnut male and a woman he can cheat on, or divorce on her hospital bed.
Allowing loving gay monogamous partners to marry clearly cheapens that.
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Four More Tears Tue, Jun 22, 2010 1:50:59am |
re: #72 iceweasel
Marriage is a beautiful institution that exists between a wingnut male and a woman he can cheat on, or divorce on her hospital bed.
Allowing loving gay monogamous partners to marry clearly cheapens that.
Heh. You're on fire tonight, Ice. ;)
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Gus Tue, Jun 22, 2010 1:51:04am |
re: #65 iceweasel
And what makes you think it will stop with the queer community?
This is the Texas Taliban. They're not only interested in stigmatising all GLBT people.
Correct. Everything has to fit an orthodox Dominionist Judeo-Christian model. Although, I still suspect their inclusion of Judeo is genuine and still hold that it is only promoted for them to garner a seat to heaven when "Rapture" comes.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Jun 22, 2010 1:51:05am |
re: #69 JasonA
But I love me some Hal as well, immortalized as Hal is in one of my favorite Skinny Puppy songs:
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BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Jun 22, 2010 1:51:17am |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Jun 22, 2010 1:52:16am |
re: #72 iceweasel
Marriage is a beautiful institution that exists between a wingnut male and a woman he can cheat on, or divorce on her hospital bed.
Allowing loving gay monogamous partners to marry clearly cheapens that.
If we catch you two queeros buying matching Audi S5s, you're going to jail!
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Gus Tue, Jun 22, 2010 1:55:13am |
re: #72 iceweasel
Marriage is a beautiful institution that exists between a wingnut male and a woman he can cheat on, or divorce on her hospital bed.
Allowing loving gay monogamous partners to marry clearly cheapens that.
Could you imagine? I mean. Being married to your white Christian husband or wife when suddenly a queer couple moves in next door. I mean, they work on their yard and keep a really nice garden but I just can't stop thinking about what they're doing late at night having sex as we learned at the Texans for Christian Liberty School. I just can't stop thinking about my queer neighbors having gay sex when I'm in bed laying next to my perfectly heterosexual spouse.
//
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Four More Tears Tue, Jun 22, 2010 1:55:18am |
re: #76 iceweasel
W00t!!1! Best Ellison story EVER!
I remember reading that in college along with "Repent, Harlequin!" Like night and day. And Ellison himself is one hell of a character.
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BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Jun 22, 2010 1:55:42am |
re: #64 Gus 802
And if he happens to be your meth dealer that also gives you back rubs after a day of intense preaching.
Heh. The 'thigh stroke'. I'm not posting the description of it, but that was George Rekers' favourite according to his luggage lifter.
I suggest "sharing the Gospel" as our new euphemism for getting busy.
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Four More Tears Tue, Jun 22, 2010 1:56:37am |
re: #80 iceweasel
Heh. The 'thigh stroke'. I'm not posting the description of it, but that was George Rekers' favourite according to his luggage lifter.
I suggest "sharing the Gospel" as our new euphemism for getting busy.
That's an insult to getting busy if you ask me...
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Jun 22, 2010 1:57:02am |
re: #79 JasonA
I remember reading that in college along with "Repent, Harlequin!" Like night and day. And Ellison himself is one hell of a character.
The Rick Berry illustrated version of that story is on my bookshelf: [Link: www.amazon.com...]
It is purty *_*
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Gus Tue, Jun 22, 2010 1:57:42am |
re: #80 iceweasel
Heh. The 'thigh stroke'. I'm not posting the description of it, but that was George Rekers' favourite according to his luggage lifter.
I suggest "sharing the Gospel" as our new euphemism for getting busy.
Was he a soft luggage or hard luggage guy?
/
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Four More Tears Tue, Jun 22, 2010 1:57:44am |
re: #82 WindUpBird
The Rick Berry illustrated version of that story is on my bookshelf: [Link: www.amazon.com...]
It is purty *_*
Shiny!
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Jun 22, 2010 1:58:11am |
re: #80 iceweasel
Heh. The 'thigh stroke'. I'm not posting the description of it, but that was George Rekers' favourite according to his luggage lifter.
I suggest "sharing the Gospel" as our new euphemism for getting busy.
this is win :D
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BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Jun 22, 2010 1:58:32am |
re: #81 JasonA
That's an insult to getting busy if you ask me...
Have you heard the Word of the Lord today?
(I'm just trying to entertain you and distract you here..)
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Jun 22, 2010 1:59:27am |
So much great Hendrie radio on youtube!
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Jun 22, 2010 2:00:26am |
and now I idles to plays drums
(they are Roland V-Drums and thus I can play them at 2am without being incarcerated)
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Four More Tears Tue, Jun 22, 2010 2:00:30am |
re: #86 iceweasel
Have you heard the Word of the Lord today?
(I'm just trying to entertain you and distract you here..)
I haven't shared the gospel with anyone in ages... Heh. Works both ways!
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BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Jun 22, 2010 2:00:47am |
re: #85 WindUpBird
this is win :D
I'd love to take credit but Box Turtle Bulletin thought of it too, and for the same reason:
here’s the best part. Once you slog your way through the rest of Rekers’ reply, past tons of eye-glazing Scriptual quotations, and past the part where he compares himself to John the Baptist and Jesus, Rekers says:If you talk with my travel assistant that the story called “Lucien,” you will find I spent a great deal of time sharing scientific information on the desirability of abandoning homosexual intercourse, and I shared the Gospel of Jesus Christ with him in great detail.
Uh huh. “Sharing the Gospel” would make another great euphamism, but it probably won’t catch on. Oh well, whatever lifts your luggage, George. Whatever lifts your luggage.
el oh el.
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Four More Tears Tue, Jun 22, 2010 2:03:14am |
re: #90 iceweasel
So how come you only seem to be around here pre-dawn?
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Gus Tue, Jun 22, 2010 2:03:19am |
re: #90 iceweasel
el oh el.
Odd isn't it? I mean. So many of those Exodus types no about different variations of gay sex down to the last detail.
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Four More Tears Tue, Jun 22, 2010 2:04:37am |
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Gus Tue, Jun 22, 2010 2:04:55am |
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BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Jun 22, 2010 2:05:41am |
re: #83 Gus 802
Was he a soft luggage or hard luggage guy?
/
Maybe he likes it both ways. /
I have a difficult time figuring out the homophobes. Not just for the obvious reasons. I don't understand their hatred, paranoia, and fear, but I really don't understand the closeted wingnuts consumed with self loathing. What is going on? Why are they always hooking up with rent boys, hanging themselves in two (two!) wetsuits, etc.?
Seriously, republican sexual hypocrisy mystifies me; the people calling the loudest for 'traditional values' and persecuting others are always mixed up in extremely sad and freaky shit.
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Four More Tears Tue, Jun 22, 2010 2:05:50am |
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Gus Tue, Jun 22, 2010 2:05:54am |
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BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Jun 22, 2010 2:07:47am |
re: #91 JasonA
So how come you only seem to be around here pre-dawn?
Can't sleep!
I've had lots going on with visa, moving, blah blah. When that's all dealt with hopefully I'll be here more regularly.
But not if we're going to be calling Obama "FCBBHO" every day again.
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Four More Tears Tue, Jun 22, 2010 2:07:59am |
re: #98 Gus 802
For reference:
[Video]
Ah. I missed the drug reference the first time.
And, uh... there are more straight people who do those things...
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Four More Tears Tue, Jun 22, 2010 2:09:22am |
re: #99 iceweasel
Can't sleep!
I've had lots going on with visa, moving, blah blah. When that's all dealt with hopefully I'll be here more regularly.
But not if we're going to be calling Obama "FCBBHO" every day again.
Really? I thought you looked forward to those skirmishes? :P
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Gus Tue, Jun 22, 2010 2:09:43am |
re: #96 iceweasel
Maybe he likes it both ways. /
I have a difficult time figuring out the homophobes. Not just for the obvious reasons. I don't understand their hatred, paranoia, and fear, but I really don't understand the closeted wingnuts consumed with self loathing. What is going on? Why are they always hooking up with rent boys, hanging themselves in two (two!) wetsuits, etc.?
Seriously, republican sexual hypocrisy mystifies me; the people calling the loudest for 'traditional values' and persecuting others are always mixed up in extremely sad and freaky shit.
Homophobia is a mental illness. Seriously. It can be either inward self-hatred of a homosexual in denial or one that is heterosexual. Outward, or a form of anti-social homophobia. Or a combination of the two.
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Four More Tears Tue, Jun 22, 2010 2:11:43am |
re: #102 Gus 802
Homophobia is a mental illness. Seriously. It can be either inward self-hatred of a homosexual in denial or one that is heterosexual. Outward, or a form of anti-social homophobia. Or a combination of the two.
I wonder where on earth that hatred could come from...
*cough*religion*cough*
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Four More Tears Tue, Jun 22, 2010 2:14:49am |
NATO, Afghan forces capture senior Taliban figure
KABUL, Afghanistan — NATO and Afghan forces captured a senior Taliban figure in an overnight raid, the international force said Tuesday in a statement.
The man had recently been appointed the Taliban's finance chief in northern Baghlan province, NATO said. He was captured in southern Helmand province along with two other suspected insurgents after a tip-off that he was staying in a compound in Nah-e Saraj district.
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Gus Tue, Jun 22, 2010 2:15:35am |
re: #103 JasonA
I wonder where on earth that hatred could come from...
*cough*religion*cough*
That explains the bronchitis.
Yep, it's traditionally from religious teachings. However, it has worked it's way into popular culture and you will find some secularized homophobia -- although it's less frequent.
I also reckon that these knuckleheads in Uganda have never seen what goes on in Japan or Germany. Make that all around the world. As they say, it's not uncommon for heterosexuals to "toss the salad".
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Four More Tears Tue, Jun 22, 2010 2:15:56am |
It's amazing that Obama can still manage to such an ineffectual loser while we're racking up all these wins on the terror front.
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Four More Tears Tue, Jun 22, 2010 2:16:41am |
re: #105 Gus 802
That explains the bronchitis.
Yep, it's traditionally from religious teachings. However, it has worked it's way into popular culture and you will find some secularized homophobia -- although it's less frequent.
I also reckon that these knuckleheads in Uganda have never seen what goes on in Japan or Germany. Make that all around the world. As they say, it's not uncommon for heterosexuals to "toss the salad".
I don't think homosexuals invented "bukkake." *shudder*
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BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Jun 22, 2010 2:17:10am |
re: #101 JasonA
Really? I thought you looked forward to those skirmishes? :P
New skirmishes, sure.
Posting the same rebuttals every day, to people who spew the same old bullshit everyday, even when Charles has told them to stop?
Yeah, not so much.
re: #102 Gus 802
Homophobia is a mental illness. Seriously. It can be either inward self-hatred of a homosexual in denial or one that is heterosexual. Outward, or a form of anti-social homophobia. Or a combination of the two.
Yes, for sure. I'm trying to understand what it's like to be one of the major hypocrites: the guy calling for no gay marriage who is gay, the guy condemning Clinton for a blowjob while he's having an affair with a staffer (hi Newt!), the homophobe Christian minister found dead wearing two wetsuits and a dildo up his ass hanging from a beam in his barn. Discovered by his wife, natch.
You know. The base.
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Four More Tears Tue, Jun 22, 2010 2:20:03am |
re: #108 iceweasel
Okay, that last one is news to me.
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Gus Tue, Jun 22, 2010 2:21:05am |
re: #108 iceweasel
Yes, for sure. I'm trying to understand what it's like to be one of the major hypocrites: the guy calling for no gay marriage who is gay, the guy condemning Clinton for a blowjob while he's having an affair with a staffer (hi Newt!), the homophobe Christian minister found dead wearing two wetsuits and a dildo up his ass hanging from a beam in his barn. Discovered by his wife, natch.
You know. The base.
They're in denial. Sexuality isn't about ideology and vice versa. One doesn't predicate the other. People can believe in any ideology but it does not change the id. Trying to force a change of the id based on ideology never works and it hasn't for the past 2000 years or so.
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Four More Tears Tue, Jun 22, 2010 2:22:42am |
re: #108 iceweasel
the homophobe Christian minister found dead wearing two wetsuits and a dildo up his ass hanging from a beam in his barn. Discovered by his wife, natch.
You know. The base.
You know... he could still have been straight. Just sayin'.
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BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Jun 22, 2010 2:24:11am |
re: #109 JasonA
Okay, that last one is news to me.
An Alabama minister who died in June of "accidental mechanical asphyxia" was found hogtied and wearing two complete wet suits, including a face mask, diving gloves and slippers, rubberized underwear, and a head mask, according to an autopsy report. Investigators determined that Rev. Gary Aldridge's death was not caused by foul play and that the 51-year-old pastor of Montgomery's Thorington Road Baptist Church was alone in his home at the time he died (while apparently in the midst of some autoerotic undertaking). While the Montgomery Advertiser, which first obtained the autopsy records, reported on Aldridge's two wet suits, the family newspaper chose not to mention what police discovered inside the minister's rubber briefs.
I feel sorry for this guy, honestly. Imagine living while being so ashamed of your basic impulses.
Friend of Falwell, graduate of Liberty U.
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Four More Tears Tue, Jun 22, 2010 2:25:55am |
I want some!
A great sentence:We'd like to publicly apologize to the NPB for the confusion over unicorn and pork--and for their awkward extended pause on the phone after we had explained our unicorn meat doesn't actually exist.
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Four More Tears Tue, Jun 22, 2010 2:30:12am |
I'm really just posting this for the kick-ass title.
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Gus Tue, Jun 22, 2010 2:30:51am |
re: #112 iceweasel
I feel sorry for this guy, honestly. Imagine living while being so ashamed of your basic impulses.
Friend of Falwell, graduate of Liberty U.
Or he could have kept it private while others not judging him after finding out upon his death. He was more than his fetish but he enjoyed that fetish even though it was unfortunate that he died in that pursuit. Technically, having a partner could have prevented that by acting as a safety.
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BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Jun 22, 2010 2:32:08am |
re: #111 JasonA
You know... he could still have been straight. Just sayin'.
IIRC he was married and did this while the wife and kids were away for the weekend.
I don't know if he was gay or merely into the autoerotic thing and bondage. I didn't follow this despite the hilarity that ensued in some places over it, because it made me really sad.
People who are into that sort of thing usually take a lot of precautions. I suspect his wife had no idea about this proclivity but I'm not sure.
There appear to be a number of people who buy into the virgin/whore dichotomy-- this is true everywhere, but especially on the right. Consequently they think that 'good' women are ones you can't fuck, and sex is only good if it's dirty. Since the religious wingnuts often think sex is only 'allowed' in the context of marriage, it leads to them believing that sex is dirty in general, and fosters the double life situation. IMO.
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BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Jun 22, 2010 2:33:34am |
re: #115 Gus 802
Or he could have kept it private while others not judging him after finding out upon his death. He was more than his fetish but he enjoyed that fetish even though it was unfortunate that he died in that pursuit. Technically, having a partner could have prevented that by acting as a safety.
Yeah. So if he weren't so ashamed of it, maybe he could have told someone.
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Four More Tears Tue, Jun 22, 2010 2:33:42am |
re: #116 iceweasel
Perhaps.
I'm going to give that sleep thing another chance. Try not to burn the place down while I'm gone.
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Gus Tue, Jun 22, 2010 2:38:45am |
re: #111 JasonA
You know... he could still have been straight. Just sayin'.
Correct. It's not an indicator of sexual orientation.
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Gus Tue, Jun 22, 2010 2:39:57am |
Hey, you think they have these discussions at Red State or Hot Air? I don't think they even talk about this at Daily Kos.
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Gus Tue, Jun 22, 2010 2:42:45am |
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Ayeless in Ghazi Tue, Jun 22, 2010 2:45:30am |
re: #92 Gus 802
Odd isn't it? I mean. So many of those Exodus types no about different variations of gay sex down to the last detail.
Speaking of which, a certain poisonous monkey was recently seen over on the blogtrocity engaging in violent anal rape fantasies involving CJ, a unicorn, ad the word "butthurt". Of course, it's great to see wingnuts finally embrace the word, but unfortunate that they can't think about anything but violent anal sex when they see it.
Btw - it's well known that the poisonous monkey doesn't seem to like women much, but he sure does like to talk about doing it to boy's bottoms. Isn't THAT interesting?
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Gus Tue, Jun 22, 2010 2:48:18am |
re: #122 Jimmah
Speaking of which, a certain poisonous monkey was recently seen over on the blogtrocity engaging in violent anal rape fantasies involving CJ, a unicorn, ad the word "butthurt". Of course, it's great to see wingnuts finally embrace the word, but unfortunate that they can't think about anything but violent anal sex when they see it.
Btw - it's well known that the poisonous monkey doesn't seem to like women much, but he sure does like to talk about doing it to boy's bottoms. Isn't THAT interesting?
Really? How come I am not surprised. That seemed to be the buzz when he was here. The suppression was rather blatant and he left a lot of wood chips on the floor. Saving grace? We don't have to hear that buzzing sound in the background anymore. We even got rid of the Zombies.
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BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Jun 22, 2010 2:48:47am |
re: #119 Gus 802
Correct. It's not an indicator of sexual orientation.
Right, of course not. I'm inferring that he was a homophobe because he was a Baptist minister, friend of Falwell, and graduate of Liberty U.
Nothing in the manner of his death suggests to me that he was gay. There isn't any reason to conclude that.
But it's clear he was into kink, and he was engaging in a dangerous practice for which he should have had a partner. It's not a stretch to think that he was ashamed to tell a partner, and definitely not a stretch to conclude that this is an entire life (baptist minister, falwell, liberty u) which would foster that shame.
It doesn't matter what the deal is in this specific case really, which is one reason I haven't followed it. The point is that the religious right is sex phobic, not merely homophobic.
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stonemason Tue, Jun 22, 2010 2:50:23am |
I was thinking about this the other day. In my humble opinion it is simple jealousy. The hetero/conservative can't be 'out' with his/her sexual deviations/desires/needs/wants and the Gay/Lesbian can flaunt it. I tend to think that the swinging republican who hides the lifestyle is simply jealous that it has to be hidden. Or the Dom/sud relationship has to stay in the bedroom for fear of social rejection by the society.
Think about it...some people enjoy the Dom/sub stuff, but others find it mysoginistic (if Male Dom) or demeaning, so the couple hides, or, to borrow a phrase, closets thier sexual desires. Watching the gay/lesbian community march in the streets (and more at those Folsom events) must be hard to deal with.
Does this mean we need to bring all sexual proclivities out into the open? Nope, I have no desire to know what my neighbors are doing, as long as they pick up the trash and cut the grass.
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Gus Tue, Jun 22, 2010 2:51:00am |
re: #124 iceweasel
Right, of course not. I'm inferring that he was a homophobe because he was a Baptist minister, friend of Falwell, and graduate of Liberty U.
Nothing in the manner of his death suggests to me that he was gay. There isn't any reason to conclude that.
But it's clear he was into kink, and he was engaging in a dangerous practice for which he should have had a partner. It's not a stretch to think that he was ashamed to tell a partner, and definitely not a stretch to conclude that this is an entire life (baptist minister, falwell, liberty u) which would foster that shame.
It doesn't matter what the deal is in this specific case really, which is one reason I haven't followed it. The point is that the religious right is sex phobic, not merely homophobic.
True. Generally speaking he would have found more acceptance within a gay community. That is because they are not sexually phobic in general.
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stonemason Tue, Jun 22, 2010 2:54:11am |
I really need to take advantage of both preview and spell check, especially during the 15th hour of a 16 hour shift.
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Gus Tue, Jun 22, 2010 2:58:33am |
re: #125 stonemason
I was thinking about this the other day. In my humble opinion it is simple jealousy. The hetero/conservative can't be 'out' with his/her sexual deviations/desires/needs/wants and the Gay/Lesbian can flaunt it. I tend to think that the swinging republican who hides the lifestyle is simply jealous that it has to be hidden. Or the Dom/sud relationship has to stay in the bedroom for fear of social rejection by the society.
Think about it...some people enjoy the Dom/sub stuff, but others find it mysoginistic (if Male Dom) or demeaning, so the couple hides, or, to borrow a phrase, closets thier sexual desires. Watching the gay/lesbian community march in the streets (and more at those Folsom events) must be hard to deal with.
Does this mean we need to bring all sexual proclivities out into the open? Nope, I have no desire to know what my neighbors are doing, as long as they pick up the trash and cut the grass.
Fear and loathing on the sexually repressed right.
It should be noted that inward repression can occur regardless of ideology. The problem occurs is that within rightest sub-cultures there's a great deal of outside pressure which will exacerbate the repression.
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Darth Vader Gargoyle Tue, Jun 22, 2010 2:58:34am |
Good Morning to Charles' Private Lizard Army!
Just a quick hello before I head off to work. JasonA, so sorry to hear about your Mom. I'll be praying for her quick recovery.
The move to DC is complete. Family and I are back together and settled in our new home. Bonus is that our place in Jax rented yesterday for our asking price.
Later lizards!
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Jun 22, 2010 2:59:10am |
re: #99 iceweasel
Can't sleep!
I've had lots going on with visa, moving, blah blah. When that's all dealt with hopefully I'll be here more regularly.
But not if we're going to be calling Obama "FCBBHO" every day again.
A fucking men to that.
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BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Jun 22, 2010 2:59:15am |
re: #126 Gus 802
True. Generally speaking he would have found more acceptance within a gay community. That is because they are not sexually phobic in general.
I'm not necessarily talking about finding a community-- for me personally, the idea of membership in a community being predicated solely on my sexual desires is very weird; I (and others) are people with lots more to our lives than what we do in the bedroom. (or wherever, heh).
I'm thinking about the kind of relationship that a person could at least have with his or her partner.
I was checking out some weird fundie forums recently, either because of you or freetoken, and there is this very weird and very disturbing theme of people not being able to talk to their spouses about sex at all. It's part of the fundie mindset.
That being said, there are some Christian fundamentalists that are way into BDSM and kink and have websites promoting it (it fits their narrative of wives being submissive, etc). Which I think is great. Whatever, let a hundred flowers bloom.
Seems a lot better than being isolated and alone and afraid of your own urges at least. (and lying to your spouse about them).
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Jun 22, 2010 2:59:55am |
re: #127 stonemason
I really need to take advantage of both preview and spell check, especially during the 15th hour of a 16 hour shift.
This is sort of me all the time, but now that I'm self employed, it's all self-inflicted. :D
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Sol Berdinowitz Tue, Jun 22, 2010 3:02:57am |
I have alwys found it funny how the religious right is all fire and brimstone and Old Testament when it comes to condemning homosexuals and adulterers, but suddenly turns all forgive-the-repentant-sinner and New Testament when its own are found out...
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Gus Tue, Jun 22, 2010 3:03:03am |
re: #131 iceweasel
I'm not necessarily talking about finding a community-- for me personally, the idea of membership in a community being predicated solely on my sexual desires is very weird; I (and others) are people with lots more to our lives than what we do in the bedroom. (or wherever, heh).
I'm thinking about the kind of relationship that a person could at least have with his or her partner.
I was checking out some weird fundie forums recently, either because of you or freetoken, and there is this very weird and very disturbing theme of people not being able to talk to their spouses about sex at all. It's part of the fundie mindset.That being said, there are some Christian fundamentalists that are way into BDSM and kink and have websites promoting it (it fits their narrative of wives being submissive, etc). Which I think is great. Whatever, let a hundred flowers bloom.
Seems a lot better than being isolated and alone and afraid of your own urges at least. (and lying to your spouse about them).
People that are afraid to talk with their spouses or relationships is because of fear of rejection. In that case it takes a special kind of person to bring the need up and see where it goes. If they're rejected then they have to consider if it's that important to them that they may have to move on to another relationship to fulfill those needs.
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stonemason Tue, Jun 22, 2010 3:03:28am |
re: #128 Gus 802
That's generally accepted, it seems that many on the right are more religious.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Jun 22, 2010 3:04:08am |
re: #131 iceweasel
I'm not necessarily talking about finding a community-- for me personally, the idea of membership in a community being predicated solely on my sexual desires is very weird; I (and others) are people with lots more to our lives than what we do in the bedroom. (or wherever, heh).
CEOS DO IT IN THE BOARDROOM
But yeah, I remember just cracking up when Coddah was going buckfonkers and trying to interrogate me about the seamy Seven-esque Castro underside of gay culture, like I'm some Studio 54 Disco McCokeNostril Gay Sex Avatar. I'm like "Lady! Listen to me! I'm in Oregon! I fucking play D&D and make Buckaroo Banzai references to my friends! That's my contribution to "gay culture!"
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Jun 22, 2010 3:05:40am |
re: #134 Gus 802
People that are afraid to talk with their spouses or relationships is because of fear of rejection. In that case it takes a special kind of person to bring the need up and see where it goes. If they're rejected then they have to consider if it's that important to them that they may have to move on to another relationship to fulfill those needs.
I read a lot of Dan Savage's column, and man, it always blows me away how much angst there is between partners about really harmless and not-wild-at-all kinks.
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Gus Tue, Jun 22, 2010 3:06:48am |
re: #135 stonemason
That's generally accepted, it seems that many on the right are more religious.
True. I can only imagine myself as being religious. When I do I would say that God wouldn't care. All good people would go to heaven regardless of their sexual desires and only rapists, murderers, and pedophiles would go to hell.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Jun 22, 2010 3:06:56am |
re: #137 ralphieboy
Is "Buckaroo Bonzai" gay?
He is not! :D
(that's the joke, I know very little about GAY CULTURE. Gay GEEK culture, I know all about! But like gay bars? I never go to them."
(I suspect Perfect Tommy is gay)
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BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Jun 22, 2010 3:08:05am |
re: #136 WindUpBird
CEOS DO IT IN THE BOARDROOM
But yeah, I remember just cracking up when Coddah was going buckfonkers and trying to interrogate me about the seamy Seven-esque Castro underside of gay culture, like I'm some Studio 54 Disco McCokeNostril Gay Sex Avatar. I'm like "Lady! Listen to me! I'm in Oregon! I fucking play D&D and make Buckaroo Banzai references to my friends! That's my contribution to "gay culture!"
McCokeNostril!
Lol.
I was sooo happy when you joined. You have no idea what we used to have that passed for 'the gay community' here.
It was a 'gay' guy who would eagerly assure every wingnut that Teh Ghey was all about coke, promiscuity, etc, and ran a website crusading against anal sex.
Naturally, the homophobes adored him.
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stonemason Tue, Jun 22, 2010 3:09:34am |
re: #138 WindUpBird
And that leads to the question of what is 'kink'. Oddly, I consider homosexuality a kink, an expression of phyiscal desire that isn't expressly related to procreation. When emotional love enters the picture, well, is it still a kink? I can't answer that, but I don't think so, the individual actors will know which individual acts are 'kinky'.
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BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Jun 22, 2010 3:09:38am |
re: #138 WindUpBird
I read a lot of Dan Savage's column, and man, it always blows me away how much angst there is between partners about really harmless and not-wild-at-all kinks.
Yeah, that's what I mean-- the fundamentalist community fosters this freaky fake environment where people get married and are afraid to talk to each other.
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Gus Tue, Jun 22, 2010 3:11:43am |
re: #138 WindUpBird
I read a lot of Dan Savage's column, and man, it always blows me away how much angst there is between partners about really harmless and not-wild-at-all kinks.
Yep. The old "should I tell her (or him)" routine. Some of it could be really simple stuff like certain paraphilias. The biggest stumbling block is rejection. I think it's because the ego is generally more important for most people then the id. Thus, many times people will sacrifice those urges, or id, in favor of their egos.
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BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Jun 22, 2010 3:11:46am |
re: #142 stonemason
And that leads to the question of what is 'kink'. Oddly, I consider homosexuality a kink, an expression of phyiscal desire that isn't expressly related to procreation.
Huh. Other 'kinks' then, in the hetero community:
Masturbation.
Oral sex.
Handjobs.
Anal.
Sex with any form of birth control.
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stonemason Tue, Jun 22, 2010 3:15:54am |
re: #145 iceweasel
Yeah, if we start the line where I did, you are dead on. But, and now I'm just getting loopy, what if conception happens while the couple is in full latex, harnessed to freshly sheered sheep?
Have at it, I say. Consenting adults out of the eyesight of impressionable children...
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Gus Tue, Jun 22, 2010 3:16:48am |
re: #142 stonemason
And that leads to the question of what is 'kink'. Oddly, I consider homosexuality a kink, an expression of phyiscal desire that isn't expressly related to procreation. When emotional love enters the picture, well, is it still a kink? I can't answer that, but I don't think so, the individual actors will know which individual acts are 'kinky'.
That's only if you look at homosexual relationships on the basis of sexuality alone. Then it may look like a kink because it's foreign to you. The same would happen if a homosexual looked at heterosexual relationships based only on their sexual behavior. There's more to both as we know regarding nurturing, comfort, companionship, sharing, etc. Most modern couple practice sex for procreation on a selective basis. The rest of the time it's done so for recreational reasons or kinks.
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BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Jun 22, 2010 3:17:50am |
re: #146 stonemason
Yeah, if we start the line where I did, you are dead on. But, and now I'm just getting loopy, what if conception happens while the couple is in full latex, harnessed to freshly sheered sheep?
Have at it, I say. Consenting adults out of the eyesight of impressionable children...
Well, the american taliban would have them all executed, except for the fetus.
The fetus will of course be terminated in utero if it's gay.
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stonemason Tue, Jun 22, 2010 3:17:58am |
re: #147 Gus 802
Right, that's why I mentioned the emotional part of it all.
Not my place to tell Adam and Steve what is kinky to them.
and I'm off
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Gus Tue, Jun 22, 2010 3:20:46am |
re: #149 stonemason
Right, that's why I mentioned the emotional part of it all.
Not my place to tell Adam and Steve what is kinky to them.and I'm off
Right. I missed that.
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Ayeless in Ghazi Tue, Jun 22, 2010 3:23:56am |
re: #123 Gus 802
Really? How come I am not surprised. That seemed to be the buzz when he was here. The suppression was rather blatant and he left a lot of wood chips on the floor. Saving grace? We don't have to hear that buzzing sound in the background anymore. We even got rid of the Zombies.
Couldn't agree with you more, Gus. It's awesome not having to suffer these nuts.
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BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Jun 22, 2010 3:24:57am |
The emphasis on sex as 'only' meaning procreation is messed up in so many ways. It finds its fullest expression in homophobia and anti-choice positions, but it's all over.
It's very strange that the same people who are so fervently anti-evolution tend to be wholly on board for a purely teleological notion of the purpose of sex.
Sex has so many dimensions for human beings and the physical act or acts is only one manifestation-- an extremely reductive one.
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Gus Tue, Jun 22, 2010 3:26:58am |
re: #151 Jimmah
Couldn't agree with you more, Gus. It's awesome not having to suffer these nuts.
For sure. The undead was so obsessed with his one trick pony of Folsom Street and the Kinsey report. The world revolved on his one day photo shoot of one stupid event. The buzz was all about hating human rights and civil rights. Toxic negative energy.
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Ayeless in Ghazi Tue, Jun 22, 2010 3:27:59am |
Ok , a couple of mosquito bites have just gone medieval on me so it's off to the hospital for me. Later :)
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Gus Tue, Jun 22, 2010 3:28:45am |
re: #152 iceweasel
The emphasis on sex as 'only' meaning procreation is messed up in so many ways. It finds its fullest expression in homophobia and anti-choice positions, but it's all over.
It's very strange that the same people who are so fervently anti-evolution tend to be wholly on board for a purely teleological notion of the purpose of sex.
Sex has so many dimensions for human beings and the physical act or acts is only one manifestation-- an extremely reductive one.
Sex as a means of procreation only is so Paleo. I guess some folks have missed the past 50 years of human and social evolution.
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BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Jun 22, 2010 3:31:43am |
re: #155 Gus 802
Sex as a means of procreation only is so Paleo. I guess some folks have missed the past 50 years of human and social evolution.
Yeah, and like 2000 years of literature.
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BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Jun 22, 2010 3:32:30am |
re: #154 Jimmah
Ok , a couple of mosquito bites have just gone medieval on me so it's off to the hospital for me. Later :)
How does this happen to you? :(
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Gus Tue, Jun 22, 2010 3:35:23am |
I still find it funny. This nation produces the most pornography in the world. Magazines, moves, strip shows, nudie bars, sex clubs, fetish galore, Hooters everywhere, the leader in the Sexual Revolution, Feminism, Stonewall riot, music, etc. Yet, at the same time we're also one of the most puritanical and sexually repressed industrialized nation within a significant population.
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Gus Tue, Jun 22, 2010 3:36:19am |
re: #156 iceweasel
Yeah, and like 2000 years of literature.
Yep. Everyone is still reading the "genius" of those Bronze Age sheep herders. I doubt they even herded sheep.
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BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Jun 22, 2010 3:39:07am |
re: #158 Gus 802
I still find it funny. This nation produces the most pornography in the world. Magazines, moves, strip shows, nudie bars, sex clubs, fetish galore, Hooters everywhere, the leader in the Sexual Revolution, Feminism, Stonewall riot, music, etc. Yet, at the same time we're also one of the most puritanical and sexually repressed industrialized nation within a significant population.
Heh. I posted this once for the undead one when he was off on a homophobic FOLSOM GAY PEOPLE BLARGH KINSEY rant:
Utah No. 1 in online porn subscriptions, report says
Must be all the gay people, liberals, and atheists in Utah, I guess.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Jun 22, 2010 3:42:46am |
re: #141 iceweasel
McCokeNostril!
Lol.
I was sooo happy when you joined. You have no idea what we used to have that passed for 'the gay community' here.It was a 'gay' guy who would eagerly assure every wingnut that Teh Ghey was all about coke, promiscuity, etc, and ran a website crusading against anal sex.
Naturally, the homophobes adored him.
oh man, that's fucked up. I assume this dude is no longer here? :D
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Gus Tue, Jun 22, 2010 3:45:46am |
re: #160 iceweasel
Heh. I posted this once for the undead one when he was off on a homophobic FOLSOM GAY PEOPLE BLARGH KINSEY rant:
Utah No. 1 in online porn subscriptions, report says
Must be all the gay people, liberals, and atheists in Utah, I guess.
Yeah, I remember that study. I forgot what the excuse was for discrediting it but I got some heat for bringing it up not so long ago. The reasoning is obvious. Men don't get visually stimulated in Utah because of the social norms as they would in NYC or Paris. That's very important for men. It makes a big difference you know. I even notice it in Denver as opposed to thinking back on NYC of San Francisco and seeing the beautiful women in a dress walking down the street. You don't get that in Provo or even Denver.
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BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Jun 22, 2010 3:46:58am |
From Deseret News archives:
Utah No. 1 in online porn subscriptions, report saysBy Elaine Jarvik
Deseret News
Published: Tuesday, March 3, 2009 12:00 a.m. MST
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* Next >Utahns, famous for their wholesomeness and frugality, buy online pornography at higher rates than the rest of America.
That's the conclusion of a Harvard economics professor who tracked subscriptions to online porn sites. Utah ranks No. 1 in subscriptions, according to Benjamin Edelman, who reported his findings in the article "Red Light States: Who Buys Online Adult Entertainment?," published in the most recent edition of the Journal of Economic Perspectives.
The most porn-watching ZIP codes in Utah, "with unexpectedly high subscriptions relative to their population and broadband usage," are 84766 in Sevier County, 84112 in Salt Lake County, 84018 in Morgan County, 84006 in southwest Salt Lake County, and 84536 in San Juan County.
A color-coded map in the journal article shows only two states with subscription rates higher than 3.6 per thousand home broadband users: Utah and Mississippi. Utah topped the list, with 5.47 users per 1,000. (Edelman says he took into account the amount of broadband access available in various regions and adjusted his data accordingly; porn users tend to favor high-speed data transfer that can download lots of the steamy visuals quickly.)
Story continues below"Subscriptions are slightly more prevalent in states that have enacted conservative legislation on sexuality," Edelman writes. In the 27 states where "defense of marriage" amendments have been adopted, there were 11 percent more porn subscribers than in other states, he reports. Use is higher also in states where more people agree with the statement "I never doubt the existence of God."
heh.
[...]
maybe, says Logan psychotherapist Todd Freestone, the fact that porn is not as visible in Utah makes it more enticing. "If you're seeing it all the time" in cities like Las Vegas, he says, "and it flashes up on your computer screen, then it's not that big a deal."
Nice explanation! Reminder: Las Vegas? IT'S NOT IN UTAH.
Utah's No. 1 ranking doesn't surprise Freestone, who works with sex offenders at his Comprehensive Treatment Clinic. Freestone has done searches on Google Trends, typing in words ranging from "swimsuits" to "naked girls," and found that Utah ranked No. 1 or 2 in most searches. A similar exercise by Deseret News reporter Lee Davidson in 2007 found that Utahns were more prone to search for words like "topless" and "pornography" (as well as "Jesus" and "home storage").
"The forbidden is really tempting," University of Utah sociology professor Theresa A. Martinez told Davidson. "Where you have a culture that is known for family values, morality and apple pie, you will also have curiosity and interest in the forbidden."
That's my general idea for why wingnut sex scandals always involve wearing diapers, toliet-trading, rent boys. etc. When you're in a culture that makes sex dirty, you start to equate sex and sexual excitement itself with notions of 'dirt' or the forbidden.
Consequently getting a blowjob from a female intern just isn't enough of a thrill for the wingnut.
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Gus Tue, Jun 22, 2010 3:47:37am |
re: #162 Gus 802
Meaning the repression. It would be like dropping a typical American male in Saudi Arabia or even Amish country to make an extreme example. I think most would go "nuts."
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BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Jun 22, 2010 3:50:41am |
re: #161 WindUpBird
oh man, that's fucked up. I assume this dude is no longer here? :D
Nah, he's gone. Banned and immediately spammed stalker sites with comments calling me gay.
Naturally, how else would he respond? Being gay, in his world, was clearly the worst possible slur.
One very fucked up dude.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Jun 22, 2010 3:51:15am |
re: #165 iceweasel
Nah, he's gone. Banned and immediately spammed stalker sites with comments calling me gay.
Naturally, how else would he respond? Being gay, in his world, was clearly the worst possible slur.
One very fucked up dude.
The people you meet on these internets, mindblowing o_O
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Gus Tue, Jun 22, 2010 3:52:11am |
re: #165 iceweasel
Nah, he's gone. Banned and immediately spammed stalker sites with comments calling me gay.
Naturally, how else would he respond? Being gay, in his world, was clearly the worst possible slur.
One very fucked up dude.
Oh yeah. I remember him. Really strange. He finally flounced by insulting Charles for a couple of days.
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Gus Tue, Jun 22, 2010 3:53:19am |
re: #165 iceweasel
Nah, he's gone. Banned and immediately spammed stalker sites with comments calling me gay.
Naturally, how else would he respond? Being gay, in his world, was clearly the worst possible slur.
One very fucked up dude.
I think he came on board because the only criteria to join the flock was a desire to blow up Muslims. Si?
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BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Jun 22, 2010 3:54:49am |
re: #162 Gus 802
Yeah, I remember that study. I forgot what the excuse was for discrediting it but I got some heat for bringing it up not so long ago. The reasoning is obvious. Men don't get visually stimulated in Utah because of the social norms as they would in NYC or Paris. That's very important for men. It makes a big difference you know. I even notice it in Denver as opposed to thinking back on NYC of San Francisco and seeing the beautiful women in a dress walking down the street. You don't get that in Provo or even Denver.
I'm pretty sure that study, whatever its issues, was wholly in line with other studies about online porn consumption. I can dig some up whenever necessary.
BTW, the southwest is also the Rape Capital of the US, according to just about any of the last ten years VCR's from the FBI (Violent Crime Report, compiling VC stats from all police depts).
I haven't seen a good explanation for that stat yet, but the fact remains that I'm safer in NYC or LA from rape than I am in some ditchwater town in the southwest (or even cities).
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Gus Tue, Jun 22, 2010 3:55:51am |
Still is for some folks.
Woodfist: "You hate Muslims and want to blow all of them up?"
Dorksawbuzzbee: "You bet."
Woodfist: "OK, you'll fit right in."
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BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Jun 22, 2010 3:57:57am |
re: #167 Gus 802
Oh yeah. I remember him. Really strange. He finally flounced by insulting Charles for a couple of days.
No, he got banned, I believe. For cause.
Posted his 'flounce' over at various stalker sites IIRC.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Jun 22, 2010 3:59:50am |
re: #169 iceweasel
I'm pretty sure that study, whatever its issues, was wholly in line with other studies about online porn consumption. I can dig some up whenever necessary.
BTW, the southwest is also the Rape Capital of the US, according to just about any of the last ten years VCR's from the FBI (Violent Crime Report, compiling VC stats from all police depts).
I haven't seen a good explanation for that stat yet, but the fact remains that I'm safer in NYC or LA from rape than I am in some ditchwater town in the southwest (or even cities).
Maybe it's partially that the population is more spread out?
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Gus Tue, Jun 22, 2010 3:59:51am |
re: #171 iceweasel
No, he got banned, I believe. For cause.
Posted his 'flounce' over at various stalker sites IIRC.
Right. I figured his insults was a flounce so he could get blocked. He never made much sense anyway. Most of the time I had him on auto-gaze.
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Gus Tue, Jun 22, 2010 4:05:28am |
re: #171 iceweasel
No, he got banned, I believe. For cause.
Posted his 'flounce' over at various stalker sites IIRC.
I forgot. He also has some clout. lol Seriously. He was one of those that you couldn't say "wow, you're fucking nuts" without getting dog piled. There were many like that.
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BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Jun 22, 2010 4:05:32am |
re: #172 WindUpBird
Maybe it's partially that the population is more spread out?
I don't know. The per capita incidence is way higher. I'd need to dig into it to find out what's going on.
A friendly, nice, wingnut-friendly explanation would say, "The SouthWest states are just better at reporting the stats, because the victims feel so very safe here they report more, and our fabulous police treat their complaints so very seriously!"
(the fbi's annual vcr is based on the stats that are reported to them; if a dept doesn't report, it vanishes).
In reality, I think what we see here is another wingnut myth being exploded. Turns out those evil coastal cities aren't such havens of crime. And maybe the reel true amurkins out there in the west aren't so gentlemanly after all. Who knew? /
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Gus Tue, Jun 22, 2010 4:06:07am |
re: #174 Gus 802
Had some clout. That is with the then wingnut regulars who got the boot.
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BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Jun 22, 2010 4:09:03am |
re: #174 Gus 802
I forgot. He also has some clout. lol Seriously. He was one of those that you couldn't say "wow, you're fucking nuts" without getting dog piled. There were many like that.
Yeah, I was talking about our fake gay person who actually hated gay people.
Fit in very well with the straight people who also hated teh ghey.
He was one of those that you couldn't say "wow, you're fucking nuts" without getting dog piled. There were many like that.
Not any more. :)
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Gus Tue, Jun 22, 2010 4:10:22am |
re: #175 iceweasel
I don't know. The per capita incidence is way higher. I'd need to dig into it to find out what's going on.
A friendly, nice, wingnut-friendly explanation would say, "The SouthWest states are just better at reporting the stats, because the victims feel so very safe here they report more, and our fabulous police treat their complaints so very seriously!"
(the fbi's annual vcr is based on the stats that are reported to them; if a dept doesn't report, it vanishes).
In reality, I think what we see here is another wingnut myth being exploded. Turns out those evil coastal cities aren't such havens of crime. And maybe the reel true amurkins out there in the west aren't so gentlemanly after all. Who knew? /
Right. Texas and Florida have very high crime rates.
New Mexico is more progressive than Arizona. A lot of people in Arizona are former Californians with an axe to grind for having left California. I don't see the appeal to either state. It's too hot, too flat, no water, no trees, too dry, too much sand and way too much poverty. New Mexico is one of the most impoverished states in the country.
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Gus Tue, Jun 22, 2010 4:12:41am |
re: #177 iceweasel
Yeah, I was talking about our fake gay person who actually hated gay people.
Fit in very well with the straight people who also hated teh ghey.He was one of those that you couldn't say "wow, you're fucking nuts" without getting dog piled. There were many like that.
Not any more. :)
I came in on the tail end. All you needed was two years in the army and private stripes and that gave you seniority. You could hold a PhD in astrophysics but the guy that was in the military could be the biggest nut in the world but he was still given higher status. That's how deep the militarism was.
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Gus Tue, Jun 22, 2010 4:14:04am |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Jun 22, 2010 4:15:01am |
re: #174 Gus 802
I forgot. He also has some clout. lol Seriously. He was one of those that you couldn't say "wow, you're fucking nuts" without getting dog piled. There were many like that.
It was probably good for me that I arrived after a lot of those people were gone *_*
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Jun 22, 2010 4:15:15am |
re: #181 Gus 802
It will be a month before we really know anything definitive. We do know he'll be in the hospital/rehab for at least a year.
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BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Jun 22, 2010 4:15:32am |
re: #178 Gus 802
Right. Texas and Florida have very high crime rates.
New Mexico is more progressive than Arizona. A lot of people in Arizona are former Californians with an axe to grind for having left California. I don't see the appeal to either state. It's too hot, too flat, no water, no trees, too dry, too much sand and way too much poverty. New Mexico is one of the most impoverished states in the country.
It's very strange. Both states are beautiful-- I think NM has some of the most beautiful landscape I've seen anywhere. I love ABQ and Santa Fe, Taos, etc. I personally couldn't handle the heat permanently.
And AZ is pretty great in places. Also beautiful.
But I personally don't feel as safe in either state as I do in others.
Cato has a really interesting story about driving across NM.
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BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Jun 22, 2010 4:16:53am |
re: #184 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
It will be a month before we really know anything definitive. We do know he'll be in the hospital/rehab for at least a year.
FBV, I'm so sorry to hear that. Is he awake?
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Jun 22, 2010 4:16:56am |
re: #183 WindUpBird
I've been here for a while, and I don't know who they're talking about.
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Gus Tue, Jun 22, 2010 4:17:02am |
re: #184 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
It will be a month before we really know anything definitive. We do know he'll be in the hospital/rehab for at least a year.
Bummer. Is it still looking like paraplegia and not quad?
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Jun 22, 2010 4:17:26am |
re: #186 iceweasel
FBV, I'm so sorry to hear that. Is he awake?
No head injury. That's a good thing. Paralyzed from nipples down.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Jun 22, 2010 4:17:27am |
re: #187 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I've been here for a while, and I don't know who they're talking about.
I'm guessing this is During the Iraq War Proper times?
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BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Jun 22, 2010 4:18:34am |
re: #190 WindUpBird
I'm guessing this is During the Iraq War Proper times?
No, it was last summer. LOL.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Jun 22, 2010 4:18:38am |
re: #188 Gus 802
Has full motion in both of his arms (excepting that his left elbow was shattered in the fall)... and he's feeling the pain in his arms. No sensation at all below the chest.
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Taqyia2Me Tue, Jun 22, 2010 4:18:57am |
FBV - I was so sorry to learn here of your daughter's boyfriend's horrible accident. You all are in my prayers.
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Darth Vader Gargoyle Tue, Jun 22, 2010 4:19:01am |
re: #185 iceweasel
It's very strange. Both states are beautiful-- I think NM has some of the most beautiful landscape I've seen anywhere. I love ABQ and Santa Fe, Taos, etc. I personally couldn't handle the heat permanently.
And AZ is pretty great in places. Also beautiful.
But I personally don't feel as safe in either state as I do in others.Cato has a really interesting story about driving across NM.
Cause of all the Messicans?
//
Good Morning Ice.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Jun 22, 2010 4:19:12am |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Jun 22, 2010 4:19:41am |
re: #190 WindUpBird
I'm guessing this is During the Iraq War Proper times?
I wonder if in a thousand years this era will be referred to as "The Sand Wars" or something like that.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Jun 22, 2010 4:19:55am |
re: #196 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I wonder if in a thousand years this era will be referred to as "The Sand Wars" or something like that.
The spice must flow!
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BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Jun 22, 2010 4:20:13am |
re: #189 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
No head injury. That's a good thing. Paralyzed from nipples down.
oh gosh. this is all from a fall, right? (apologies, I haven't been around enough to know the whole details).
Best wishes to your daughter and his family and for him.
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BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Jun 22, 2010 4:20:47am |
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Gus Tue, Jun 22, 2010 4:21:11am |
re: #192 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Has full motion in both of his arms (excepting that his left elbow was shattered in the fall)... and he's feeling the pain in his arms. No sensation at all below the chest.
I know it's strange to say but that's somewhat good news. Quadriplegia would be much worse since it affects respiration and of course seriously limits mobility.
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BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Jun 22, 2010 4:21:51am |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Jun 22, 2010 4:21:52am |
If y'all haven't seen it, go to the top ten and ding DF! Got a job! Woo hoo!
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Jun 22, 2010 4:22:22am |
re: #202 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
If y'all haven't seen it, go to the top ten and ding DF! Got a job! Woo hoo!
oh awesome GG DF
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Jun 22, 2010 4:25:00am |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Jun 22, 2010 4:25:06am |
re: #200 Gus 802
Oh, gosh yes. Turns out "quad" was never a threat. My wife (when she called me originally) said he broke his back and was going to be paralyzed...
I heard "neck".
She complains constantly that I never listen to what she says. Well, she said I hardly listen to her. Well, something like that... I wasn't really listening.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Jun 22, 2010 4:27:02am |
Never raise your hand to your kids. It leaves your groin unprotected.
-Red Buttons
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Jun 22, 2010 4:30:19am |
re: #198 iceweasel
Thanks Ice. I raised my children loyal. She will stand at his side forever.
Which honestly, ain't a perfect thing...
She's already decided to drop out of college so she can be with him and care for him.
Anything I say on that front will be wrong. I'm having to stand back and watch and keep my damn mouth shut.
I'm as angry as I am sad... and I know that's wrong, but can't help it.
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Gus Tue, Jun 22, 2010 4:31:12am |
re: #205 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Oh, gosh yes. Turns out "quad" was never a threat. My wife (when she called me originally) said he broke his back and was going to be paralyzed...
I heard "neck".
She complains constantly that I never listen to what she says. Well, she said I hardly listen to her. Well, something like that... I wasn't really listening.
It'll work out even though it's a long road to hoe.
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Four More Tears Tue, Jun 22, 2010 4:31:44am |
re: #129 rwdflynavy
Good Morning to Charles' Private Lizard Army!
Just a quick hello before I head off to work. JasonA, so sorry to hear about your Mom. I'll be praying for her quick recovery.
The move to DC is complete. Family and I are back together and settled in our new home. Bonus is that our place in Jax rented yesterday for our asking price.
Later lizards!
Thanks bro. I appreciate it.
And good morning, LGF AM.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Jun 22, 2010 4:31:59am |
re: #206 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Never raise your hand to your kids. It leaves your groin unprotected.
-Red Buttons
"I'm the goalie. Children come at me, I kick them back into play."
-Bill Cosby
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Gus Tue, Jun 22, 2010 4:33:43am |
re: #207 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Thanks Ice. I raised my children loyal. She will stand at his side forever.
Which honestly, ain't a perfect thing...
She's already decided to drop out of college so she can be with him and care for him.
Anything I say on that front will be wrong. I'm having to stand back and watch and keep my damn mouth shut.
I'm as angry as I am sad... and I know that's wrong, but can't help it.
Darn it FBV. You owe me a couple of Kleenexes.
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Darth Vader Gargoyle Tue, Jun 22, 2010 4:34:40am |
re: #210 WindUpBird
"I'm the goalie. Children come at me, I kick them back into play."
-Bill Cosby
"She raised the yard stick over her head like a Samurai warrior and said: "The Beatings Will Now Begin!".
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Gus Tue, Jun 22, 2010 4:39:03am |
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Darth Vader Gargoyle Tue, Jun 22, 2010 4:39:08am |
Not to bad mouth my internet access at work...but the Navy is still using IE 6. LGF is way too high speed for IE6 so I have to continuously reload the page. I guess I could do some work...
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Jun 22, 2010 4:41:56am |
You know what's great at 5am? A chocolate martini, that's what
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Jun 22, 2010 4:43:02am |
re: #212 rwdflynavy
"She raised the yard stick over her head like a Samurai warrior and said: "The Beatings Will Now Begin!".
ahahahaha DYING
it's my favorite comedy thing of all time, Bill Cosby Himself. Number two is probably the first Patton Oswalt record.
HER FACE SPLIT! EXPOSING...THE SKULL!
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Four More Tears Tue, Jun 22, 2010 4:44:11am |
re: #217 WindUpBird
Bill Hicks. Arizona Bay.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Jun 22, 2010 4:44:15am |
re: #214 rwdflynavy
Do you think Charles would ban me if I asked for a old-IE friendly Practice Internet version of LGF?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Jun 22, 2010 4:45:21am |
re: #218 JasonA
Bill Hicks. Arizona Bay.
I like Bill Hicks! Bill Hicks is one of the baddassest of the badass comics. But I'm pretty much IN LOVE WITH Patton OSwalt. The Black Angus bit, every time I hear it, I am gasping for air by the end.
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Four More Tears Tue, Jun 22, 2010 4:45:47am |
re: #219 WindUpBird
Do you think Charles would ban me if I asked for a old-IE friendly Practice Internet version of LGF?
Holy crap. Was that site made in 1999?
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Jun 22, 2010 4:46:25am |
re: #218 JasonA
I've never cringed so much while laughing so hard. The funniest evil comedy of all. I thought he was funner than Kinison, cause he didn't have a schtick to go with it.
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Four More Tears Tue, Jun 22, 2010 4:46:26am |
re: #220 WindUpBird
I like Bill Hicks! Bill Hicks
iswas one of the baddassest of the badass comics.
Peace be upon him.
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Four More Tears Tue, Jun 22, 2010 4:47:16am |
re: #222 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I've never cringed so much while laughing so hard. The funniest evil comedy of all. I thought he was funner than Kinison, cause he didn't have a schtick to go with it.
"We're the hooooligannns!" *Thok!*
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Jun 22, 2010 4:47:57am |
re: #220 WindUpBird
Patton's smack-down of Jesse Ventura was one of the greatest moments in radio of the past 20 years.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Jun 22, 2010 4:48:29am |
re: #221 JasonA
Holy crap. Was that site made in 1999?
I think it was made a little later but in the style of the 90's.
Remember the grim days before google! I was in college in like 1995, we were all on Lycos, back when they had that gigantic horrendous spider gif that made me jump every time I loaded up the site (because I don't like spiders)
And Mirsky's Worst of the Web! And and Mr T Ate My Balls! And Bad Candy!
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Jun 22, 2010 4:48:35am |
Morning Lizardim. I have returned from a beautiful weekend in the far reaches of the north country, visiting with my folks and reeling in the fish. Did I miss anything?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Jun 22, 2010 4:48:56am |
re: #225 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Patton's smack-down of Jesse Ventura was one of the greatest moments in radio of the past 20 years.
...
...
I have not heard this. o_o
I am going to go look for this o_o
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Jun 22, 2010 4:49:11am |
re: #227 thedopefishlives
Morning Lizardim. I have returned from a beautiful weekend in the far reaches of the north country, visiting with my folks and reeling in the fish. Did I miss anything?
I made a martini
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Jun 22, 2010 4:49:49am |
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Gus Tue, Jun 22, 2010 4:51:42am |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Jun 22, 2010 4:52:51am |
re: #228 WindUpBird
Total fail... Jim Norton... dammit I mix him and Patton up in my head. My bad.
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Four More Tears Tue, Jun 22, 2010 5:01:39am |
re: #232 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Total fail... Jim Norton... dammit I mix him and Patton up in my head. My bad.
I like him, too.
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Four More Tears Tue, Jun 22, 2010 5:02:30am |
re: #232 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Total fail... Jim Norton... dammit I mix him and Patton up in my head. My bad.
Oh, and speaking of him, this year's Comedy Central Roast will be none other than David Hasselhoff. All too easy.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Jun 22, 2010 5:05:29am |
re: #234 JasonA
Remember when he used to be somebody?
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Four More Tears Tue, Jun 22, 2010 5:08:25am |
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Darth Vader Gargoyle Tue, Jun 22, 2010 5:09:37am |
re: #215 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Naaah...
Plus the updingy thing usually doesn't work!
FBV, praying for your family.
You are absolutely making the right choice to not give your daughter advice at this point. Good on you for instilling the values that are apparent in this crisis.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Jun 22, 2010 5:11:23am |
re: #236 JasonA
Sometimes I get this "Murikans ain't as smart as Your'apeeins'" meme in my brain... then I remember what Yourapeeins watch on TV. They're dumb-asses.
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Four More Tears Tue, Jun 22, 2010 5:12:24am |
re: #238 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
lol
I think they like him more for his singing, no?
Or does that make it worse...?
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Jun 22, 2010 5:15:11am |
re: #240 JasonA
He and Don Johnson should do a duet.
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Nimed Tue, Jun 22, 2010 5:44:26am |
Joe Barton would like to apologize to:
- BP, for soaking up all your valuable oil with our worthless pelicans.
- the confederacy for taking all your slaves away. totally a shakedown move on our part. sorry
- at&t, for hogging all your bandwidth. tell you what, from now on, we'll just buy iphones from you, but promise never, ever to turn them on. Deal?
- milli vanilli. you guys totally deserve another grammy.
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Nimed Tue, Jun 22, 2010 5:46:22am |
re: #240 JasonA
{JasonA} Man, sorry to hear about your mother's accident. I hope she gets well soon.
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Nimed Tue, Jun 22, 2010 5:47:26am |
re: #242 Nimed
Oops. Forgot to link the source of these
[Link: joebartonwouldliketoapologize.com...]
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CapeCoddah Tue, Jun 22, 2010 5:53:35am |
Good Morning Folks... Jason, I hope your mom is OK . I am so sorry to hear that she was injured.. Tell her we are all thinking of her!
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Four More Tears Tue, Jun 22, 2010 5:56:44am |
re: #245 CapeCoddah
Good Morning Folks... Jason, I hope your mom is OK . I am so sorry to hear that she was injured.. Tell her we are all thinking of her!
Thanks, Cape.
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Summer Seale Tue, Jun 22, 2010 5:58:39am |
Good morning, Lizaroids!
Off Topic but, then again, this is an off topic thread!
The Immortal Stupidity of Joe the Plumber.
Stupid Joe is shooting off his big and ignorant mouth again, pining for a dictatorship where we shoot our congressmen for using freedom of speech.
Yes, really.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Jun 22, 2010 6:07:34am |
my brothers friend who is out of work did some yard work here yesterday. My brother called me and asked if the guy could have a few of my beers. I said OK. Got home from work and they said he killed all my beers, but another 12 pack was bought. Just looked. 1 beer in the fridge. I had about 9 before the 12 pack was bought. Dude drank 20 or so beers. No wonder he almost fell on me last night.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Jun 22, 2010 6:20:09am |
Quiet day in Lizardland. It almost feels like a Monday in here. DEFINITELY feels like a Monday in the office, considering I took yesterday off so I could be with my dad on Sunday.
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cliffster Tue, Jun 22, 2010 6:26:59am |
buenos dias LGF'ers. everyone getting along?
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Nimed Tue, Jun 22, 2010 6:27:56am |
re: #248 Summer
Good morning, Lizaroids!
Off Topic but, then again, this is an off topic thread!
The Immortal Stupidity of Joe the Plumber.Stupid Joe is shooting off his big and ignorant mouth again, pining for a dictatorship where we shoot our congressmen for using freedom of speech.
Yes, really.
?
That's a link for a March 2009 post.
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cliffster Tue, Jun 22, 2010 6:30:38am |
re: #249 Cannadian Club Akbar
that's a pretty good way to stay out of work
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Macha Tue, Jun 22, 2010 6:31:31am |
re: #1 JasonA
I just got back from the hospital. My mom was hit by a van while crossing the street. She's conscious and stable, and I'm really happy about, but lots of fractures all over the place. Arm, hips, ribs, and probably legs.
I just logged in to find this. I am so sorry to hear of her severe injuries and glad that she is stable despite them. I'll keep good thoughts that her recovery is uncomplicated and as rapid as possible.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Jun 22, 2010 6:32:31am |
re: #253 cliffster
that's a pretty good way to stay out of work
He did the work. But then drank all my beer.
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OldnGrumpy Tue, Jun 22, 2010 6:36:36am |
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Macha Tue, Jun 22, 2010 6:42:24am |
re: #40 JasonA
The worst part is there's nothing I can do to help her :(
Yeah, I can take care of the bills and stuff, but I can only visit her for, like, 10 minutes a day in the ICU.
I know you feel helpless right now to do anything, but ten minutes a day is probably all she can tolerate right now. That ten minutes is most important because it lets her know how much you care and that you are there for her. As she mends, you will be able to do much more, but don't underestimate the power of letting her know you love and care. The mind does as much healing as the body and love is the most powerful of all healers.
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Taqyia2Me Tue, Jun 22, 2010 6:42:48am |
JasonA
Sorry to hear about your mom's injuries. My thoughts and prayers go out for a speedy and complete recovery.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Jun 22, 2010 6:47:30am |
JasonA?
Welcome to the helpless waiting room. I'll scootch over a bit.
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abolitionist Tue, Jun 22, 2010 6:47:54am |
Charles, there's something weird about the Fox National news feed (in left column). A sampling of headlines, to illustrate:
Mom Furious After Daughter's Teacher Writes 'Loser' on Her School Paper
Published March 14, 2010
Church Fights Back After Arizona Town Bans Home Bible Study
Monday, March 15, 2010
Magnitude-4.4 Earthquake Hits Southern California
Tuesday, March 16, 2010
Maybe I need to reload? Nope, same outdated headlines still there after refreshing page and re-selecting Fox National.
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albusteve Tue, Jun 22, 2010 6:48:32am |
McChyrstal has been ordered to Washington to explain why he and his staff criticized the White House in a recent Rolling Stone interview, administration officials said Tuesday.
I'll bet the Taliban are happy about this...not at all good for the CinC
Read more: [Link: www.nydailynews.com...]
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Summer Seale Tue, Jun 22, 2010 6:50:56am |
re: #252 Nimed
?
That's a link for a March 2009 post.
You're right! I didn't notice it. Kinda swamped at the office but saw it tweeted just about two hours ago or so.
Then again, I never heard that story before either and it's pretty shocking.
Thanks for correcting though. =)
(sorry it took so long to reply because, again...I'm swamped...) =)
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albusteve Tue, Jun 22, 2010 6:53:13am |
Given that Mr Obama is viewed by many Americans as lacking toughness, the temptation for the President will be to brutally dispense with McChrystal’s services in as public a manner as possible. Democrats are traditionally seen as weak on defence and too deferential to the military – will one fell swoop Obama could shatter that notion.
this is a pretty big story...especially since I have deep reservations about Afghanistan
[Link: blogs.telegraph.co.uk...]
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ReamWorks SKG Tue, Jun 22, 2010 6:53:55am |
re: #7 JasonA
May the One who blessed our ancestors --
Patriarchs Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob,
Matriarchs Sarah, Rebecca, Rachel, and Leah --
bless and heal the one who is ill: JasonA's Mother
May the Holy Blessed One
overflow with compassion upon him/her,
to restore her,
to heal her,
to strengthen her,
to enliven her.
The One will send her, speedily,
a complete healing --
healing of the soul and healing of the body --
along with all the ill,
among the people of Israel and all humankind,
soon,
speedily,
without delay,
and let us all say: Amen!
(The "Mi Sheberakh" traditional Jewish prayer for healing, more or less. I think the original prayer may omit the Matriarchs...but this is what most Reform and Conservative synagogues use, as well as some modern orthodox...)
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cliffster Tue, Jun 22, 2010 6:54:58am |
sorry JasonA, that tough stuff. Prayers and thoughts for you
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albusteve Tue, Jun 22, 2010 6:55:48am |
re: #266 cliffster
sorry JasonA, that tough stuff. Prayers and thoughts for you
what's up with that?
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cliffster Tue, Jun 22, 2010 6:56:15am |
re: #255 Cannadian Club Akbar
He did the work. But then drank all my beer.
hehe, yeah. I'm just sayin'.. 20 beers today = bad job search tomorrow ;) I'm just making humor though. I'm sure he's trying as hard as he can. And he'll buy you more beer later..
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Jun 22, 2010 6:57:06am |
re: #267 albusteve
I think McChrystal has resigned...wow
That's how you get a message to a major publication runs and retire all at the same time.
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albusteve Tue, Jun 22, 2010 6:58:00am |
re: #270 Cannadian Club Akbar
That's how you get a message to a major publication runs and retire all at the same time.
he was hand picked by Gates....this is a bad thing
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Jun 22, 2010 6:58:11am |
re: #270 Cannadian Club Akbar
That's how you get a message to a major publication runs and retire all at the same time.
I messed that up.
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McSpiff Tue, Jun 22, 2010 6:58:13am |
re: #267 albusteve
I think McChrystal has resigned...wow
Sounds like he resigned a few months ago. Disgraceful.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Jun 22, 2010 7:00:13am |
re: #262 albusteve
Steve? May I ask you a handyman type question?
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ReamWorks SKG Tue, Jun 22, 2010 7:00:24am |
Ok! Off to work! I need to earn money so our government can confiscate it! :-)
(I'd love to know how many of those Tea-Party gold and guns people actually pay significant taxes. From the looks of them--and I know that's no way to judge people--I'd say most of them are in the lucky ducky category.)
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albusteve Tue, Jun 22, 2010 7:00:25am |
Then there’s the issue of skimmers. We have “under consideration” offers from Belgium, the EU Maritime Safety Agency, South Korea and Sweden. We also have yet to accept offers of vessels from Sweden, Russia, The European Union and Vietnam. And bear in mind that if we ever do accept these offers, they won’t be fulfilled immediately. We could be three months into this thing before we get the offered aid.
the admin is moving at the pace of a tree sloth
Read more at the Washington Examiner: [Link: www.washingtonexaminer.com...]
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Darth Vader Gargoyle Tue, Jun 22, 2010 7:01:11am |
re: #262 albusteve
McChyrstal has been ordered to Washington to explain why he and his staff criticized the White House in a recent Rolling Stone interview, administration officials said Tuesday.
I'll bet the Taliban are happy about this...not at all good for the CinC
Read more: [Link: www.nydailynews.com...]
Among McChrystal's criticisms in the Rolling Stone interview:
The general said he felt "betrayed" by U.S. ambassador to Afghanistan Karl Eikenberry, a former three-star general. In a leaked document last year, Eikenberry said he distrusted Afghan president Hamid Karzai. "Here's one that covers his flank for the history books," McChrystal told Rolling Stone of Eikenberry.
McChrystal, the article reports, took control of the war, the article states, "by never taking his eye off the real enemy: The wimps in the White House."
An aide is quoted as calling National Security Adviser Gen. (Ret.) Jim Jones a "clown."
On Richard Holbrooke, the president's envoy to Afghanistan and Pakistan, a McChrystal staffer says he is a "wounded animal," dangerous because rumors speculated Holbrooke would be fired.
The general said that while he voted for Obama, the two men never hit it off in meetings last fall and he found the president unprepared.
This is a bush-league screw up by McChrystal. Why he would openly criticize the CinC in Rolling Stone of all places, is beyond me.
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albusteve Tue, Jun 22, 2010 7:01:32am |
re: #273 McSpiff
Sounds like he resigned a few months ago. Disgraceful.
WTF is he thinking interviewing with Rolling Stone?
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albusteve Tue, Jun 22, 2010 7:01:59am |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Jun 22, 2010 7:02:53am |
re: #277 rwdflynavy
So that's transparency. Haven't seen it from the administration.
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William Barnett-Lewis Tue, Jun 22, 2010 7:03:06am |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Jun 22, 2010 7:03:37am |
re: #279 albusteve
Pressure washing my deck... how long do I need to wait to seal it? Damn thing ain't been sealed in forever. What sealant do you recommend?
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albusteve Tue, Jun 22, 2010 7:06:24am |
re: #282 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Pressure washing my deck... how long do I need to wait to seal it? Damn thing ain't been sealed in forever. What sealant do you recommend?
don't really know...the best sealant is probably the most expensive
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McSpiff Tue, Jun 22, 2010 7:07:24am |
re: #278 albusteve
WTF is he thinking interviewing with Rolling Stone?
I have no idea. I can't even see him getting the regular defense contractor gig after this. Snitches get stitches.
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albusteve Tue, Jun 22, 2010 7:09:31am |
But the bigger problem with McChrystal’s leadership has always been the general’s devotion to unreasonably restrictive rules of engagement that are resulting in the unnecessary deaths of American and coalition forces.
whoa...an example inside the op
Read more at the Washington Examiner: [Link: www.washingtonexaminer.com...]
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lawhawk Tue, Jun 22, 2010 7:12:02am |
re: #277 rwdflynavy
Michael Yon didn't have a very good feeling about McChrystal.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Jun 22, 2010 7:12:02am |
re: #282 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Pressure washing my deck... how long do I need to wait to seal it? Damn thing ain't been sealed in forever. What sealant do you recommend?
Then stop washing your deck... and that should relieve the pressure. Then take a few aspirins and call me in the morning.
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McSpiff Tue, Jun 22, 2010 7:13:51am |
I'm calling it now, Gates is out in the next month too.
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Political Atheist Tue, Jun 22, 2010 7:14:30am |
re: #1 JasonA
Oh man that is awful. Best wishes and prayers for her recovery.
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albusteve Tue, Jun 22, 2010 7:16:34am |
re: #291 Rightwingconspirator
Oh man that is awful. Best wishes and prayers for her recovery.
holy crap!...your mom is a very fortunate woman...sorry to hear the news
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Jun 22, 2010 7:22:13am |
re: #290 McSpiff
Rahm's gonna go too, if you ask me.
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albusteve Tue, Jun 22, 2010 7:23:18am |
Nogales Police Chief Jeffrey Kirkham told the Nogales International on Friday that the threats stemmed from an incident approximately two weeks ago, when off-duty officers surprised marijuana smugglers while riding horseback in an unincorporated border area east of town.
The officers seized part of the drug load, and the smugglers were able to flee back into Mexico with the other part.
As a result of that,” Kirkham said, “our officers have received threats from the cartel that they are to look the other way if they are off-duty, or they will be targeted by a sniper or by other means.”
[Link: www.nogalesinternational.com...]
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albusteve Tue, Jun 22, 2010 7:25:41am |
re: #290 McSpiff
I'm calling it now, Gates is out in the next month too.
my worst nightmares...the Afghan thing is not going well as it is, and BO seems inflexible regarding pulling out next summer...the whole thing stinks
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McSpiff Tue, Jun 22, 2010 7:26:18am |
re: #293 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Rahm's gonna go too, if you ask me.
Hmm not sure I see this one. He's too good at catching bullets for the Pres.
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Macha Tue, Jun 22, 2010 7:26:46am |
The LA Times has a front page article as well.
[Link: www.latimes.com...]
Additionally, there are to be hearings on the huge amounts of money that Afgan security is extorting and funneling to the Taliban.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Jun 22, 2010 7:27:10am |
re: #296 albusteve
Timetables, IMO are bad.
Plans are good, but timetables? Not so much. Too limiting.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Jun 22, 2010 7:28:40am |
re: #297 McSpiff
Hmm not sure I see this one. He's too good at catching bullets for the Pres.
[Link: politifi.com...]
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albusteve Tue, Jun 22, 2010 7:28:52am |
Opponents of the recently installed bust of Soviet dictator Josef Stalin at the National D-Day Memorial in Bedford, Va., are not backing down and have started a worldwide petition.
The petition, which was started last week, calls on the officers and board of directors at the National D-Day Memorial Foundation to remove the bust. It had received 616 confirmed signatures as of Monday afternoon, with confirmation pending on more than 200 other signatures.
Uncle Joe just won't go away
[Link: www.washingtontimes.com...]
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Jun 22, 2010 7:29:51am |
re: #297 McSpiff
Hmm not sure I see this one. He's too good at catching bullets for the Pres.
[Link: www.telegraph.co.uk...]
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cliffster Tue, Jun 22, 2010 7:29:54am |
re: #299 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Timetables, IMO are bad.
Plans are good, but timetables? Not so much. Too limiting.
Especially the public ones. Targets are good; public timetables are no good
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McSpiff Tue, Jun 22, 2010 7:29:57am |
re: #296 albusteve
my worst nightmares...the Afghan thing is not going well as it is, and BO seems inflexible regarding pulling out next summer...the whole thing stinks
Afghanistan is done. That's why we haven't seen any major operations around Kandahar.
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albusteve Tue, Jun 22, 2010 7:30:03am |
re: #299 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Timetables, IMO are bad.
Plans are good, but timetables? Not so much. Too limiting.
talk about telegraphing a punch...a huge blunder from the beginning imo
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Jun 22, 2010 7:32:13am |
re: #305 albusteve
talk about telegraphing a punch...a huge blunder from the beginning imo
Politicians and administration officials and the commanders, they like a President who know how to lead... not shove... Obama is failing badly on that front.
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McSpiff Tue, Jun 22, 2010 7:32:21am |
re: #302 Walter L. Newton
[Link: www.telegraph.co.uk...]
The image of him as a lame duck going into midterms could be useful. Let's him lash out more at republicans and democrats not properly towing the line.
I'm not saying he isn't on his way out, I'm just saying there could be a few levels to this.
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Macha Tue, Jun 22, 2010 7:32:45am |
re: #298 Macha
Additionally, there are to be hearings on the huge amounts of money that Afgan security is extorting and funneling to the Taliban.
Afghan
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CapeCoddah Tue, Jun 22, 2010 7:36:01am |
re: #285 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Okay. I use mah googler.
Good Morning FBV... This is great stuff for a deck, mine is less than 0.5 mile from Nantucket sound.
Works beautifully and looks the same.. lasts also.
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lawhawk Tue, Jun 22, 2010 7:37:10am |
re: #307 McSpiff
There is the typical mid-term election turnover in any administration. The question is whether it's done in an orderly fashion or that the changes are necessary for political or personal reasons that go beyond the usual stuff.
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albusteve Tue, Jun 22, 2010 7:39:34am |
re: #306 Walter L. Newton
Politicians and administration officials and the commanders, they like a President who know how to lead... not shove... Obama is failing badly on that front.
he's leading from behind, as they say...behind polls and popular opinion etc...he made this commitment during his campaign without any understanding of the situation, just idealistic notions...he hesitated way to long to insert the 30k troops last summer and of course the Talis are just waiting him out now...very bad
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Darth Vader Gargoyle Tue, Jun 22, 2010 7:39:57am |
re: #301 albusteve
Opponents of the recently installed bust of Soviet dictator Josef Stalin at the National D-Day Memorial in Bedford, Va., are not backing down and have started a worldwide petition.
The petition, which was started last week, calls on the officers and board of directors at the National D-Day Memorial Foundation to remove the bust. It had received 616 confirmed signatures as of Monday afternoon, with confirmation pending on more than 200 other signatures.Uncle Joe just won't go away
[Link: www.washingtontimes.com...]
It's not the votes that count, but he who counts the votes...
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albusteve Tue, Jun 22, 2010 7:40:59am |
re: #298 Macha
The LA Times has a front page article as well.
[Link: www.latimes.com...]
Additionally, there are to be hearings on the huge amounts of money that Afgan security is extorting and funneling to the Taliban.
and then there is that....not sure what to think, but why trust a warlord?
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lawhawk Tue, Jun 22, 2010 7:42:08am |
Meanwhile, Obama's budget director Peter Orszag is leaving next month.
Sources said the two most likely candidates are Laura Tyson, named by Obama to the President's Economic Recovery Advisory Board, and Gene Sperling, now a counselor to Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner.
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McSpiff Tue, Jun 22, 2010 7:42:43am |
re: #313 albusteve
and then there is that...not sure what to think, but why trust a warlord?
Because that's all Afghanistan has?
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Darth Vader Gargoyle Tue, Jun 22, 2010 7:42:56am |
re: #313 albusteve
and then there is that...not sure what to think, but why trust a warlord?
If you look at the major ministers within the Afghan government, they are mostly ex-warlords...
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McSpiff Tue, Jun 22, 2010 7:43:55am |
re: #316 rwdflynavy
If you look at the major ministers within the Afghan government, they are mostly ex-warlords...
for various values of "ex"...
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albusteve Tue, Jun 22, 2010 7:45:40am |
Billions for Green Energy Will Mean Millions of New Jobs… in China
In order for Congress to hand out money to green businesses, they must first take it from successful, job creating ones. Already burdened by some of the highest tax rates in the world, American businesses become even less internationally competitive for every dollar politicians take from them to waste on green technology.
In addition, President Obama’s plan to burden an already struggling nation with across the board energy costs that must “necessarily skyrocket” in an absurd attempt to save a world from global warming that does not exist, will also serve to damage the American economy.
[Link: canadafreepress.com...]
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albusteve Tue, Jun 22, 2010 7:47:45am |
re: #314 lawhawk
Meanwhile, Obama's budget director Peter Orszag is leaving next month.
meanwhile this years budget isn't even on the table yet and it's almost July....unprecedented
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sattv4u2 Tue, Jun 22, 2010 7:49:55am |
re: #319 albusteve
meanwhile this years budget isn't even on the table yet and it's almost July...unprecedented
Cancelled: There Will Be No Congressional Budget This Year
[Link: gopleader.gov...]
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cliffster Tue, Jun 22, 2010 7:50:13am |
"warlord" just sounds tough and brutal. If you're at a party and you say, "I used to be a warlord", I bet nobody would fuck with you.
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McSpiff Tue, Jun 22, 2010 7:50:18am |
re: #318 albusteve
Billions for Green Energy Will Mean Millions of New Jobs… in China
In order for Congress to hand out money to green businesses, they must first take it from successful, job creating ones. Already burdened by some of the highest tax rates in the world, American businesses become even less internationally competitive for every dollar politicians take from them to waste on green technology.
In addition, President Obama’s plan to burden an already struggling nation with across the board energy costs that must “necessarily skyrocket” in an absurd attempt to save a world from global warming that does not exist, will also serve to damage the American economy.[Link: canadafreepress.com...]
Canada Free Press isn't exactly journalism. Fine if you enjoy them as opinion pieces, but yeah...
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albusteve Tue, Jun 22, 2010 7:51:07am |
Taliban Attack During Ambassador Holbrooke's Marja Visit
Taliban Fire on His Plane, Suicide Bombers Attack Government Center
Taliban gunmen tried to shoot down Holbrooke's V22 Osprey as it approached for a landing, triggering a gunbattle with the insurgents that lasted for about 10 minutes. And a trio of suicide bombers detonated themselves during an attack on the U.S. base as Holbrooke was leaving.
video as well....more bad news
[Link: abcnews.go.com...]
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garhighway Tue, Jun 22, 2010 7:52:05am |
Greetings from 36000 feet over Kentucky via "gogoinflight".
Best wishes to those with loved ones in the hospital. That's very tough. Especially when visiting privileges are limited. Hang in there.
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cliffster Tue, Jun 22, 2010 7:53:50am |
just checked, not independently wealthy yet. Dammit, gotta work. see you jokers later..
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albusteve Tue, Jun 22, 2010 7:55:23am |
FREMONT, Neb. -- Voters in the eastern Nebraska city of Fremont on Monday approved a ban on hiring or renting property to illegal immigrants, the latest proposal in a series of immigration regulations taken up by communities around the country.
About 57 percent of voters in Fremont supported the proposal, according to unofficial results that still must be certified by the election commissioner. The measure is likely to face a long and costly court battle, with the American Civil Liberties Union saying it will try to block it before it even goes into effect.
more nazi racist morons turning up....I'll bet they are just about everywhere
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]
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laZardo Tue, Jun 22, 2010 7:56:09am |
Evening honcos and honcettes.
Posted a new LGF link for y'all to enjoy.
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McSpiff Tue, Jun 22, 2010 7:57:08am |
re: #326 albusteve
FREMONT, Neb. -- Voters in the eastern Nebraska city of Fremont on Monday approved a ban on hiring or renting property to illegal immigrants, the latest proposal in a series of immigration regulations taken up by communities around the country.
About 57 percent of voters in Fremont supported the proposal, according to unofficial results that still must be certified by the election commissioner. The measure is likely to face a long and costly court battle, with the American Civil Liberties Union saying it will try to block it before it even goes into effect.
more nazi racist morons turning up...I'll bet they are just about everywhere
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]
This law I have no problem with. I can reasonably be expected to identify myself when renting a new property or starting a new job.
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albusteve Tue, Jun 22, 2010 7:58:54am |
After nearly nine years in Afghanistan, U.S. and NATO leaders still do not adequately understand or communicate with the Afghan people, according to classified coalition assessments. That cultural disconnect, along with the West's continued support for a corrupt central government in Kabul, has made it easy for the Taliban to recruit insurgents and prevent NATO from making significant gains, according to classified coalition assessments.
"We're getting beat up," said a U.S. military official with direct knowledge of a classified military report titled "The State of the Taliban," which was published late last year and updated in January. "They [the Taliban] know their own people -- they are culturally accurate. We know the facts but we are culturally inaccurate. The main message in the reports is that we don't fully understand our enemy and we are not clearly communicating our message to the people.
Read more at the Washington Examiner: [Link: www.washingtonexaminer.com...]
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prairiefire Tue, Jun 22, 2010 7:58:58am |
re: #255 Cannadian Club Akbar
He did the work. But then drank all my beer.
Bu-uh-uh-mmer. If the count in the fridge is off, everything is off.
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RogueOne Tue, Jun 22, 2010 8:01:31am |
re: #294 albusteve
Nogales Police Chief Jeffrey Kirkham told the Nogales International on Friday that the threats stemmed from an incident approximately two weeks ago, when off-duty officers surprised marijuana smugglers while riding horseback in an unincorporated border area east of town.
The officers seized part of the drug load, and the smugglers were able to flee back into Mexico with the other part.
As a result of that,” Kirkham said, “our officers have received threats from the cartel that they are to look the other way if they are off-duty, or they will be targeted by a sniper or by other means.”[Link: www.nogalesinternational.com...]
I consider Nogales a former home town. Rough, rough area. I was stationed on a base not far from there. One evening a marine unit was out doing patrol and stumbled upon a group of drug runners on donkeys that had crossed the border. The drug runners made a mistake of firing on the marines not realizing who they were firing on. The marines lit 'em up with an M60 and the whole episode ended with a couple dead donkeys and some drug runners in serious need of some new pants.
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laZardo Tue, Jun 22, 2010 8:02:47am |
re: #331 RogueOne
I consider Nogales a former home town. Rough, rough area. I was stationed on a base not far from there. One evening a marine unit was out doing patrol and stumbled upon a group of drug runners on donkeys that had crossed the border. The drug runners made a mistake of firing on the marines not realizing who they were firing on. The marines lit 'em up with an M60 and the whole episode ended with a couple dead donkeys and some drug runners in serious need of some new pants.
pwnt.
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albusteve Tue, Jun 22, 2010 8:04:02am |
Amid crises, Obama declares war -- on Arizona
"There certainly seems to be an underlying disrespect for the state of Arizona," says Kris Kobach, the law professor and former Bush administration Justice Department official who helped draft the Arizona law. Kobach points out that during the Bush years, several states openly flouted federal immigration law on issues like sanctuary cities and in-state tuition for illegal immigrants. Respecting the doctrines of comity and federalism, the Bush administration didn't sue. Now, when Arizona passes a measure that is fully consistent with federal law, the Obama administration, says Kobach, "goes sprinting to the courthouse door."
Read more at the Washington Examiner: [Link: www.washingtonexaminer.com...]
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garhighway Tue, Jun 22, 2010 8:06:46am |
re: #333 albusteve
Amid crises, Obama declares war -- on Arizona
says Kris Kobach, the law professor and former Bush administration Justice Department official who helped draft the Arizona law.
Sounds like an impartial observer to me.
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albusteve Tue, Jun 22, 2010 8:07:41am |
re: #331 RogueOne
I consider Nogales a former home town. Rough, rough area. I was stationed on a base not far from there. One evening a marine unit was out doing patrol and stumbled upon a group of drug runners on donkeys that had crossed the border. The drug runners made a mistake of firing on the marines not realizing who they were firing on. The marines lit 'em up with an M60 and the whole episode ended with a couple dead donkeys and some drug runners in serious need of some new pants.
the situation will evolve such that those favoring an open border will be a tiny minority, smaller than even now...big egg on face....an open border will get people killed, less important I guess than our 'come as you are' image
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albusteve Tue, Jun 22, 2010 8:08:11am |
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Jun 22, 2010 8:09:30am |
re: #331 RogueOne
I consider Nogales a former home town. Rough, rough area. I was stationed on a base not far from there. One evening a marine unit was out doing patrol and stumbled upon a group of drug runners on donkeys that had crossed the border. The drug runners made a mistake of firing on the marines not realizing who they were firing on. The marines lit 'em up with an M60 and the whole episode ended with a couple dead donkeys and some drug runners in serious need of some new pants.
Poor donkeys.
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RogueOne Tue, Jun 22, 2010 8:10:14am |
re: #335 albusteve
the situation will evolve such that those favoring an open border will be a tiny minority, smaller than even now...big egg on face...an open border will get people killed, less important I guess than our 'come as you are' image
I'm pretty liberal when it comes to immigration, it wouldn't hurt my feelings to just open it up. OTOH, there is a security issue on our borders that needs to be seriously addressed.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Jun 22, 2010 8:11:00am |
re: #334 garhighway
Sounds like an impartial observer to me.
He's probably not impartial. Don't matter. If Obama is so bound and determined to correct what he perceives as a problem in regards to the Az. law, then he should do something. Talking about it, making threats is not taking a lead. If he thinks he's reading the mood of the country, he's misread. People want some sort of workable immigration reform, and Obama hasn't offered squat. Like I said above... he's not a leader, he simply shoves.
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McSpiff Tue, Jun 22, 2010 8:13:34am |
re: #340 Walter L. Newton
He's probably not impartial. Don't matter. If Obama is so bound and determined to correct what he perceives as a problem in regards to the Az. law, then he should do something. Talking about it, making threats is not taking a lead. If he thinks he's reading the mood of the country, he's misread. People want some sort of workable immigration reform, and Obama hasn't offered squat. Like I said above... he's not a leader, he simply shoves.
In all seriousness, what can the President do to get a state law thrown out?
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garhighway Tue, Jun 22, 2010 8:15:29am |
OT: Has anyone else here read Sebastian Junger's book, "War", and if so, what did you think of it?
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Jun 22, 2010 8:16:35am |
re: #341 McSpiff
In all seriousness, what can the President do to get a state law thrown out?
Brown vs. the Board of Education.
You challenge a law in court, get it taken to the Supreme Court.
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albusteve Tue, Jun 22, 2010 8:17:25am |
re: #338 RogueOne
I'm pretty liberal when it comes to immigration, it wouldn't hurt my feelings to just open it up. OTOH, there is a security issue on our borders that needs to be seriously addressed.
"just open it up"...wow
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Jun 22, 2010 8:17:40am |
re: #341 McSpiff
In all seriousness, what can the President do to get a state law thrown out?
I all seriousness, he can ask the Congress to get moving on drafting some REAL immigration reform... lay out some immigration reform ideas of his own... stand behind the states where this problem is reaching out of control proportions... or did you forget he was President of the United States. I know, he doesn't act like one, it's hard to remember that he could lead and govern.
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Spare O'Lake Tue, Jun 22, 2010 8:18:16am |
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McSpiff Tue, Jun 22, 2010 8:19:51am |
re: #343 EmmmieG
Brown vs. the Board of Education.
You challenge a law in court, get it taken to the Supreme Court.
Thats how a citizen can get a law overturned, yes. The "Brown" in that case was a welder IIRC (although the case was a class action). So does Obama need a lawsuit to be brought first?
re: #345 Walter L. Newton
None of which answers my question. Does he have any legal means to remove the law?
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Ericus58 Tue, Jun 22, 2010 8:20:48am |
re: #347 McSpiff
Thats how a citizen can get a law overturned, yes. The "Brown" in that case was a welder IIRC (although the case was a class action). So does Obama need a lawsuit to be brought first?
re: #345 Walter L. Newton
None of which answers my question. Does he have any legal means to remove the law?
I think that's why he has an AG.
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McSpiff Tue, Jun 22, 2010 8:21:38am |
re: #348 Ericus58
I think that's why he has an AG.
Thanks for the serious answer, that gives me something to look up.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Jun 22, 2010 8:21:50am |
re: #347 McSpiff
Thats how a citizen can get a law overturned, yes. The "Brown" in that case was a welder IIRC (although the case was a class action). So does Obama need a lawsuit to be brought first?
re: #345 Walter L. Newton
None of which answers my question. Does he have any legal means to remove the law?
I'm not suggesting that he remove the law. I like it fine. I don't think it goes far enough. That said... yes... if the Federal government was doing their job, then laws like this would not be needed.
So stop deflecting for the administration. I have mentioned THREE times what needs to be done in this comment and two other comments above.
You're question was answered, you missed it. Not my fucking fault.
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Spare O'Lake Tue, Jun 22, 2010 8:22:22am |
re: #347 McSpiff
Thats how a citizen can get a law overturned, yes. The "Brown" in that case was a welder IIRC (although the case was a class action). So does Obama need a lawsuit to be brought first?
re: #345 Walter L. Newton
None of which answers my question. Does he have any legal means to remove the law?
In Canada the government has a procedure called a Constitutional Reference whereby the government refers a law directly to the Supreme Court for an opinion on its constitutionality.
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garhighway Tue, Jun 22, 2010 8:24:23am |
re: #348 Ericus58
I think that's why he has an AG.
Agree. If the theory is that the AZ law is pre-empted by Federal law and/or attempts to legislate in a space reserved to Congress by the Constitution (or is otherwise violative of the US Constitution) then the US AG is an appropriate plaintiff to challenge the law.
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McSpiff Tue, Jun 22, 2010 8:24:25am |
re: #351 Spare O'Lake
In Canada the government has a procedure called a Constitutional Reference whereby the government refers a law directly to the Supreme Court for an opinion on its constitutionality.
That I'm familiar with, was wondering if the states had a similar procedure. Apparently that question makes me a martyr for Obama. So be it.
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McSpiff Tue, Jun 22, 2010 8:25:38am |
re: #350 Walter L. Newton
Yawn. Why froth at the mouth over such a simple question? Showing off again Walter?
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RogueOne Tue, Jun 22, 2010 8:26:36am |
re: #344 albusteve
re: #346 Spare O'Lake
Fucking insane.
Insane? Americans are becoming whiny, weak and lazy. A good infusion of blood from immigrants who understand life is tough and you have to actually bust your ass to survive is almost a desperate need at this point. Those are the people who made us who we are and right now we need more asians, africans, and eastern europeans. Bring 'em.
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McSpiff Tue, Jun 22, 2010 8:26:54am |
re: #352 garhighway
Agree. If the theory is that the AZ law is pre-empted by Federal law and/or attempts to legislate in a space reserved to Congress by the Constitution (or is otherwise violative of the US Constitution) then the US AG is an appropriate plaintiff to challenge the law.
Exactly what I was wondering, thank you.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Jun 22, 2010 8:28:50am |
Opening the border is an idea that should probably be thought all the way through before you suggest it.
Are we ready to have our population triple overnight? If I were an underclass person in a third-world country, and the USA announced it was opening its borders, my family would be here on the first transport we could find, our own feet if necessary.
I think we need immigrants. I like immigrants. I am delighted to find I am living next to them yet again. (Vietnamese this time. The French and the Nigerians were good neighbors, so I'm hopeful.) Our infrastructure could not handle going from a nation of 330 million to 1 billion in a matter of months.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Jun 22, 2010 8:29:40am |
re: #355 RogueOne
re: #346 Spare O'Lake
Insane? Americans are becoming whiny, weak and lazy. A good infusion of blood from immigrants who understand life is tough and you have to actually bust your ass to survive is almost a desperate need at this point. Those are the people who made us who we are and right now we need more asians, africans, and eastern europeans. Bring 'em.
Sure... let's get ourselves a good group of new ass busting drug dealers and criminals. Maybe a few hundred thousand tough radical terrorists. Do we let them in before they have job, or do we arrange low paying jobs for them ahead of time? The people who help MAKE us were people who wanted to be part of us...
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garhighway Tue, Jun 22, 2010 8:31:58am |
Signing off. Out of battery over the Mississippi.
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RogueOne Tue, Jun 22, 2010 8:32:19am |
re: #358 Walter L. Newton
I don't believe people come here to take advantage of anything other than the opportunity to provide a life for their families. No one comes here to go on welfare, they come here to work. They know what it's like to struggle and they already come with a work ethic superior to our native born. Bring 'em!
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RogueOne Tue, Jun 22, 2010 8:33:38am |
re: #360 RogueOne
I should have said "average native born". There are people on here like Walter who I know are willing to do what it takes but lets face it, you're in the minority anymore.
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abolitionist Tue, Jun 22, 2010 8:35:25am |
What's wrong with this picture?
Eric Breininger, a suspected German Islamist who was reportedly killed in Pakistan earlier this year: German authorities want to make it easier for Islamist extremists to get out of the scene.
Had It with Jihad
Germany to Launch Exit Program for Militant Islamists
Germany has been offering programs for people who want to leave the neo-Nazi scene for years. Now, in a bid to combat the threat of Islamist terrorism, authorities are setting up a telephone hotline for those keen to give up jihad.
That's some exit program, huh?
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Jun 22, 2010 8:36:14am |
re: #360 RogueOne
I don't believe people come here to take advantage of anything other than the opportunity to provide a life for their families. No one comes here to go on welfare, they come here to work. They know what it's like to struggle and they already come with a work ethic superior to our native born. Bring 'em!
So nothing is happening at the border right now... it's all calm, peaceful, drug dealers and criminals who are trying to find an opportunity to provide a life for their families.
If I didn't know better, I would say you're making a vain attempt at playing "The Walter Show."
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Oh no...Sand People! Tue, Jun 22, 2010 8:36:15am |
OT:
So I've been working on novels 2 and 3 for my series.
In doing so, I have done some research on the Prop 8 debate. My church, LDS, donated $189,903.58 NON MONETARY contributions to fight the legalization of same-sex marriage.
My question I have for you all. In this case is there a difference in being Monetary vs. Non Monetary in terms of P.A.C. (political action committee) status vs. Church status, in regards to 'tax exemption'?
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Spare O'Lake Tue, Jun 22, 2010 8:37:59am |
re: #355 RogueOne
re: #346 Spare O'Lake
Insane? Americans are becoming whiny, weak and lazy. A good infusion of blood from immigrants who understand life is tough and you have to actually bust your ass to survive is almost a desperate need at this point. Those are the people who made us who we are and right now we need more asians, africans, and eastern europeans. Bring 'em.
Is that what you meant when you stated that you were in favour of the borders being "opened right up"?
So if I understand you correctly you want to bring in a whole shitload of starving little slaves from all over the world to bail lazy fat-ass
America out of its current crisis.
BTW is there some reason you omitted to mention Latinos in your list of required immigrant ethnicities?
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Oh no...Sand People! Tue, Jun 22, 2010 8:38:12am |
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RogueOne Tue, Jun 22, 2010 8:38:44am |
re: #363 Walter L. Newton
No. I said the borders need to be dealt with, it's a security issue. We should know who we're letting in. I'm suggesting that we allow a lot more immigrants in from other parts of the world. That's what I meant by opening it up.
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RogueOne Tue, Jun 22, 2010 8:39:18am |
re: #365 Spare O'Lake
Not our borders, our immigration policy.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Jun 22, 2010 8:41:03am |
re: #367 RogueOne
No. I said the borders need to be dealt with, it's a security issue. We should know who we're letting in. I'm suggesting that we allow a lot more immigrants in from other parts of the world. That's what I meant by opening it up.
You said "open borders" In any language that means unfettered access to our territory. You did not mention immigration laws, border controls or anything like that... you said "open borders."
What the hell else could you have meant?
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RogueOne Tue, Jun 22, 2010 8:42:34am |
re: #365 Spare O'Lake
Is that what you meant when you stated that you were in favour of the borders being "opened right up"?
So if I understand you correctly you want to bring in a whole shitload of starving little slaves from all over the world to bail lazy fat-ass
America out of its current crisis.
BTW is there some reason you omitted to mention Latinos in your list of required immigrant ethnicities?
I should have read the entire question before I responded. I left latinos out only because I'm concerned we're short changing the opportunities for the rest of the planet by continually bringing in immigrants from one hemisphere. Also, no matter what we do there will always be a way for those in desperation south of our borders to make it here. It's not like the guy in Zimbabwe can just get on a bus and make it to our border.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Jun 22, 2010 8:43:02am |
re: #366 Oh no...Sand People!
Look here maybe?
[Link: www.fec.gov...]
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Spare O'Lake Tue, Jun 22, 2010 8:43:03am |
re: #369 Walter L. Newton
You said "open borders" In any language that means unfettered access to our territory. You did not mention immigration laws, border controls or anything like that... you said "open borders."
What the hell else could you have meant?
Excessive backpedaling can often cause the chain to fall right off.
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Oh no...Sand People! Tue, Jun 22, 2010 8:44:22am |
re: #371 Cannadian Club Akbar
Look here maybe?
[Link: www.fec.gov...]
Oh! Thanks, I am checking this out!
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RogueOne Tue, Jun 22, 2010 8:44:39am |
re: #369 Walter L. Newton
You said "open borders" In any language that means unfettered access to our territory. You did not mention immigration laws, border controls or anything like that... you said "open borders."
What the hell else could you have meant?
I never said "open borders" but I can see how you mistook my statement.
re: #338 RogueOne
Sorry for the confusion.
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Vicious Babushka Tue, Jun 22, 2010 8:44:49am |
re: #355 RogueOne
Insane? Americans are becoming whiny, weak and lazy. A good infusion of blood from immigrants who understand life is tough and you have to actually bust your ass to survive is almost a desperate need at this point. Those are the people who made us who we are and right now we need more asians, africans, and eastern europeans. Bring 'em.
Do you think unemployed Americans are spoiled and lazy?
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Vicious Babushka Tue, Jun 22, 2010 8:45:22am |
re: #375 Alouette
Insane? Americans are becoming whiny, weak and lazy. A good infusion of blood from immigrants who understand life is tough and you have to actually bust your ass to survive is almost a desperate need at this point. Those are the people who made us who we are and right now we need more asians, africans, and eastern europeans. Bring 'em.
Do you think unemployed Americans are spoiled and lazy?
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Vicious Babushka Tue, Jun 22, 2010 8:46:00am |
I'm replying to Rogueone, not to myself. Damn.
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pharmmajor Tue, Jun 22, 2010 8:46:16am |
I hate political parties. They stifle reasoned debate, they foment hatred, and division, and they invite corruption and influence. And they consistently put party loyalty ahead of the interests of our republic.
- George Washington.
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Oh no...Sand People! Tue, Jun 22, 2010 8:47:25am |
re: #380 pharmmajor
I hate political parties. They stifle reasoned debate, they foment hatred, and division, and they invite corruption and influence. And they consistently put party loyalty ahead of the interests of our republic.
- George Washington.
Pshaw...what did that clown know...
//
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RogueOne Tue, Jun 22, 2010 8:48:52am |
re: #375 Alouette
Insane? Americans are becoming whiny, weak and lazy. A good infusion of blood from immigrants who understand life is tough and you have to actually bust your ass to survive is almost a desperate need at this point. Those are the people who made us who we are and right now we need more asians, africans, and eastern europeans. Bring 'em.
Do you think unemployed Americans are spoiled and lazy?
Do I think some of them are? Absolutely. I have people come in at least once a week wanting to fill out an application but not actually wanting a job. I think the segment of the population that is carrying the weight for the rest is getting smaller and smaller.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Jun 22, 2010 8:49:29am |
re: #380 pharmmajor
I hate political parties. They stifle reasoned debate, they foment hatred, and division, and they invite corruption and influence. And they consistently put party loyalty ahead of the interests of our republic.
- George Washington.
And what the fuck did he know?
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Jun 22, 2010 8:50:55am |
BB later... trip to post office, supermarket...
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RogueOne Tue, Jun 22, 2010 8:52:56am |
re: #379 Alouette
I have a family that comes into my shop every year from Honduras. The "Smiths". The whole family drives the entire way to central Indiana to work for the growing season. When fall rolls around they pool their money together and buy a couple of buses to drive back. They'll stop here on their way out of town so I can fabricate a hitch system for them so they can pull one bus with the other. I don't know many american families willing to work that hard for the betterment of the entire family.
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albusteve Tue, Jun 22, 2010 8:53:28am |
re: #380 pharmmajor
I hate political parties. They stifle reasoned debate, they foment hatred, and division, and they invite corruption and influence. And they consistently put party loyalty ahead of the interests of our republic.
- George Washington.
my kinda guy....plus he stilled primo rye whiskey
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Spare O'Lake Tue, Jun 22, 2010 8:55:15am |
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Vicious Babushka Tue, Jun 22, 2010 9:01:41am |
re: #385 RogueOne
I have a family that comes into my shop every year from Honduras. The "Smiths". The whole family drives the entire way to central Indiana to work for the growing season. When fall rolls around they pool their money together and buy a couple of buses to drive back. They'll stop here on their way out of town so I can fabricate a hitch system for them so they can pull one bus with the other. I don't know many american families willing to work that hard for the betterment of the entire family.
Please explain to to me how becoming homeless migrants will improve conditions for my entire family.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Jun 22, 2010 9:01:52am |
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pharmmajor Tue, Jun 22, 2010 9:02:52am |
re: #387 Spare O'Lake
And he never told a lie!
And he was a great vampire hunter. (No, wait... that was Lincoln)
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albusteve Tue, Jun 22, 2010 9:03:10am |
The American-Israeli disparity over Iran
. It is difficult, then, to see how Obama’s foreign policy outreach has paid dividends, and equally hard to conclude that the latest UN sanctions will affect Iranian behavior. For Netanyahu, the idea that working through the UN could effectively solve such a time-sensitive problem is absurd.
[Link: www.jpost.com...]
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MandyManners Tue, Jun 22, 2010 9:05:17am |
I figured my sinuses would settle down with the hot weather but I was spent some time in the mall yesterday where the AC was just loverly. Gonna' heat up the poker to red-hot status and shove it up my nose.
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MandyManners Tue, Jun 22, 2010 9:06:09am |
re: #391 albusteve
The American-Israeli disparity over Iran
. It is difficult, then, to see how Obama’s foreign policy outreach has paid dividends, and equally hard to conclude that the latest UN sanctions will affect Iranian behavior. For Netanyahu, the idea that working through the UN could effectively solve such a time-sensitive problem is absurd.[Link: www.jpost.com...]
I posed a link here last week about ShortShit's plans to fire up four new reactors.
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MrSilverDragon Tue, Jun 22, 2010 9:06:10am |
re: #389 Cannadian Club Akbar
The real question begs as to what happened to his moral compass. I feel really bad for that family, and hope they can somehow find solace.
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albusteve Tue, Jun 22, 2010 9:06:29am |
KABUL, Afghanistan — The last several years of poverty, conflict and widely available opium are taking a toll on the Afghan population, with roughly 800,000 Afghan adults now using opium, heroin and other illicit drugs, a jump from five years ago, according to a study by the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime.
nearly a million drug addicts dependent on the very poppy we are trying (not very hard) to eradicate...
two words
hemp
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]
I have almost no confidence the Afghan adventure will turn out positive for the US
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abolitionist Tue, Jun 22, 2010 9:08:20am |
re: #389 Cannadian Club Akbar
He reportedly said he was burying items belonging to an old girlfriend.
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lawhawk Tue, Jun 22, 2010 9:08:36am |
Rep. Hoyer: Expect tax hikes, including on the middle class.
In the shorter term, Hoyer raised the possibility that Congress will only temporarily extend middle-class tax cuts set to expire at the end of the year. He pointedly suggested that making them permanent would be too costly.
Tax cuts enacted under former President George W. Bush are scheduled to expire at the end of the year, affecting taxpayers at every income level. President Barack Obama proposes to permanently extend them for individuals making less than $200,000 a year and families making less than $250,000 — at a cost of about $2.5 trillion over the next decade."As the House and Senate debate what to do with the expiring Bush tax cuts in the coming weeks, we need to have a serious discussion about their implications for our fiscal outlook, including whether we can afford to permanently extend them before we have a real plan for long-term deficit reduction," said Hoyer, a Maryland Democrat.
The tax cuts will be a big political issue in many congressional elections this fall, providing potential fodder for both political parties. Democratic leaders have yet to lay out a schedule for dealing with the tax cuts, but many rank-and-file Democrats want to extend them before the elections, so they can campaign on passing tax cuts for the middle class.
Republicans argue that many of the high earners who would face tax increases under Obama's plan are small business owners struggling to stay afloat in a tough economy.
Just keep ignoring profligate spending as part of multiple entitlement programs and all those tax hikes will never keep up with the spending.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Jun 22, 2010 9:08:53am |
re: #392 MandyManners
I figured my sinuses would settle down with the hot weather but I was spent some time in the mall yesterday where the AC was just loverly. Gonna' heat up the poker to red-hot status and shove it up my nose.
I think I would try some more meds, first. That's just me.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Jun 22, 2010 9:09:15am |
re: #396 abolitionist
He reportedly said he was burying items belonging to an old girlfriend.
His father found the body.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Jun 22, 2010 9:10:01am |
re: #399 Cannadian Club Akbar
His father found the body.
I cannot think of anything more ghastly. You lose two children at once, one in a worse way than the other.
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albusteve Tue, Jun 22, 2010 9:10:50am |
WASHINGTON — The bipartisan commission named by President Obama in May to study the Deepwater Horizon oil spill and the future of American offshore drilling will hold its first formal meeting in mid-July at the earliest, most likely delaying the delivery of its final report into next year, a co-chairman of the panel said Friday in an interview.
the feds at work...your taxdollars at work while the oil blows nonstop...is there any sense of urgency?....four more weeks before they meet? wtf?
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]
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MandyManners Tue, Jun 22, 2010 9:11:29am |
re: #398 EmmmieG
I think I would try some more meds, first. That's just me.
What's the thrill in that?
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Jun 22, 2010 9:12:46am |
re: #402 MandyManners
What's the thrill in that?
Well, you'd still have a nose. There is that.
(I do understand that right now the continued presence of your nose in your body might not seem desirable, but think to the future. Where will you put your reading glasses when you're old?)
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albusteve Tue, Jun 22, 2010 9:12:58am |
re: #397 lawhawk
Rep. Hoyer: Expect tax hikes, including on the middle class.
Just keep ignoring profligate spending as part of multiple entitlement programs and all those tax hikes will never keep up with the spending.
who's ranks will swell in the coming years with an influx of immigrants
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MrSilverDragon Tue, Jun 22, 2010 9:13:30am |
re: #403 EmmmieG
Well, you'd still have a nose. There is that.
(I do understand that right now the continued presence of your nose in your body might not seem desirable, but think to the future. Where will you put your reading glasses when you're old?)
That's why they invented superglues.
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A Man for all Seasons Tue, Jun 22, 2010 9:13:49am |
re: #402 MandyManners
What's the thrill in that?
Allergies in Napa Valley are really bad.. Mostly the Mustard trees...
I probably didn't get over the sneezing until my 20's.. I must have build up a tolerance.. Cause nothing bothers me anymore
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MandyManners Tue, Jun 22, 2010 9:16:15am |
re: #403 EmmmieG
Well, you'd still have a nose. There is that.
(I do understand that right now the continued presence of your nose in your body might not seem desirable, but think to the future. Where will you put your reading glasses when you're old?)
Well, there is that.
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wrenchwench Tue, Jun 22, 2010 9:16:27am |
re: #403 EmmmieG
Well, you'd still have a nose. There is that.
(I do understand that right now the continued presence of your nose in your body might not seem desirable, but think to the future. Where will you put your reading glasses when you're old?)
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Jun 22, 2010 9:20:03am |
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Killgore Trout Tue, Jun 22, 2010 9:20:43am |
I finally got around to checking out the stalker blogs' "debunking" of the article about armed Nazis gathering on the Mexico border. In the comments they quickly discover that the story is true and welcome the assistance of the Nazis. Lovely.
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wrenchwench Tue, Jun 22, 2010 9:21:51am |
re: #411 Killgore Trout
I finally got around to checking out the stalker blogs' "debunking" of the article about armed Nazis gathering on the Mexico border. In the comments they quickly discover that the story is true and welcome the assistance of the Nazis. Lovely.
Sure, they're evil Nazis, but they're our evil Nazis.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Jun 22, 2010 9:23:01am |
re: #411 Killgore Trout
I finally got around to checking out the stalker blogs' "debunking" of the article about armed Nazis gathering on the Mexico border. In the comments they quickly discover that the story is true and welcome the assistance of the Nazis. Lovely.
If you need help, you need help. Why, I hire rabid wolves and pedophiles to watch my kids all the time.
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MrSilverDragon Tue, Jun 22, 2010 9:23:18am |
Oh my (whatever deity above might be listening)... the Hollyweird-powers-that-be have decided to make "The Smurfs" movie.
I've already started stocking my apocalypse shelter.
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A Man for all Seasons Tue, Jun 22, 2010 9:23:26am |
re: #411 Killgore Trout
I finally got around to checking out the stalker blogs' "debunking" of the article about armed Nazis gathering on the Mexico border. In the comments they quickly discover that the story is true and welcome the assistance of the Nazis. Lovely.
That's what happens when you let anybody in the house..
They are the political version of Animal house
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MandyManners Tue, Jun 22, 2010 9:23:45am |
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abolitionist Tue, Jun 22, 2010 9:24:03am |
Sarc tags giveaway special. Get 'em while they're hot.
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MandyManners Tue, Jun 22, 2010 9:24:15am |
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albusteve Tue, Jun 22, 2010 9:24:29am |
re: #411 Killgore Trout
I finally got around to checking out the stalker blogs' "debunking" of the article about armed Nazis gathering on the Mexico border. In the comments they quickly discover that the story is true and welcome the assistance of the Nazis. Lovely.
this is the sort of thing that could be so easily avoidable....what do you think about the POTUS shredding the Constitution by neglecting his duty?
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KingKenrod Tue, Jun 22, 2010 9:24:31am |
Democrats, Unions: Pay freeze is "demoralizing".
John Gage, president of the American Federation of Government Employees, said Republicans were "wrong to put a burden on this politically convenient group of employees who perform such important work for the American public every day."
"Any efforts to freeze federal pay to finance the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, or for general deficit reduction, amount to imposing a special tax increase on just one group of people when all Americans must pay their fair share to fund government operations," Gage said.
[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]
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A Man for all Seasons Tue, Jun 22, 2010 9:24:39am |
re: #418 abolitionist
Sarc tags giveaway special. Get 'em while they're hot.
Is there free shipping?
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MandyManners Tue, Jun 22, 2010 9:24:42am |
re: #415 MrSilverDragon
Oh my (whatever deity above might be listening)... the Hollyweird-powers-that-be have decided to make "The Smurfs" movie.
I've already started stocking my apocalypse shelter.
They better run it by Sharmuta first.
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MandyManners Tue, Jun 22, 2010 9:25:13am |
re: #416 HoosierHoops
That's what happens when you let anybody in the house..
They are the political version of Animal house
Damn Nazis attacked Pearl Harbor.
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abolitionist Tue, Jun 22, 2010 9:26:18am |
re: #422 HoosierHoops
Is there free shipping?
Practically free, yes. Those electrons are so easy to push around.
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ReamWorks SKG Tue, Jun 22, 2010 9:26:34am |
re: #415 MrSilverDragon
As someone who's in "the business" This has been in the works for several years. Most recent article in Variety about this pic was from last May:
'Smurfs' in Gunn's sight
'Project Runway' mentor joins cast of Col pic
By TATIANA SIEGEL
Tim Gunn
Tim Gunn will make it work on the bigscreen, landing a live-action role in Columbia Pictures' "The Smurfs Movie."
The straight-shooting "Project Runway" mentor, known for the catchphrase "Make it work," will play an exec assistant at a major cosmetic company.
He joins a cast that includes Neil Patrick Harris, Hank Azaria and Sofia Vergara in live-action roles as well as Katy Perry, Fred Armisen, George Lopez, Anton Yelchin, Alan Cumming, Jeff Foxworthy, Wolfgang Puck and Jonathan Winters lending their voices.
Raja Gosnell is helming the pic, which is shooting in New York.
Gunn, whose smallscreen credits include "Ugly Betty" and "How I Met Your Mother," will be seen on the bigscreen next in "Sex and the City 2."
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Killgore Trout Tue, Jun 22, 2010 9:27:20am |
re: #420 albusteve
this is the sort of thing that could be so easily avoidable...what do you think about the POTUS shredding the Constitution by neglecting his duty?
Obama is making the us align with nazis!
/wingnut
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albusteve Tue, Jun 22, 2010 9:27:48am |
re: #421 KingKenrod
Democrats, Unions: Pay freeze is "demoralizing".
[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]
democrats and unions are demoralizing...they have demoralized CA, MI, NY, NJ, Il and any other place they dwell
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albusteve Tue, Jun 22, 2010 9:28:58am |
re: #427 Killgore Trout
Obama is making the us align with nazis!
/wingnut
liberals have no regard for the Constitution...just a fucking piece of meaningless paper....shred baby shred
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Oh no...Sand People! Tue, Jun 22, 2010 9:29:03am |
re: #428 albusteve
democrats and unions are demoralizing...they have demoralized CA, MI, NY, NJ, Il and any other place they dwell
Unions had their use at one time...but that is now times of yore.
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Charles Johnson Tue, Jun 22, 2010 9:29:19am |
re: #420 albusteve
this is the sort of thing that could be so easily avoidable...what do you think about the POTUS shredding the Constitution by neglecting his duty?
Right. It's Obama's fault that neo-Nazis are involved in anti-immigration groups. Why didn't I see it before?
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MandyManners Tue, Jun 22, 2010 9:29:27am |
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Charles Johnson Tue, Jun 22, 2010 9:30:04am |
re: #429 albusteve
liberals have no regard for the Constitution...just a fucking piece of meaningless paper...shred baby shred
And with that nasty comment, you're on the edge of a timeout.
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RogueOne Tue, Jun 22, 2010 9:30:35am |
re: #388 Alouette
Please explain to to me how becoming homeless migrants will improve conditions for my entire family.
They aren't homeless. They have homes, just in another country. People, when forced, will go where they need to in order to support themselves and their families. That's how my grandparents met.
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Charles Johnson Tue, Jun 22, 2010 9:30:45am |
Mornings seem to be the time when the hard core right wingers try to drive out the more liberal people from LGF, by making insulting, degrading comments.
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albusteve Tue, Jun 22, 2010 9:31:18am |
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MrSilverDragon Tue, Jun 22, 2010 9:33:00am |
re: #426 reuven
Sometimes I wish someone would cut the eletrical cord that runs to the green light, is all.
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ryannon Tue, Jun 22, 2010 9:33:31am |
re: #432 MandyManners
Back of my neck getting dirty and gritty.[Video]
Turn down the heat on the poker.
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albusteve Tue, Jun 22, 2010 9:33:48am |
Editorial: Good showing in quality rating should spur Detroit automakers
Good showing in quality rating should spur Detroit automakers to continued improvements
It was a long time coming, but the domestic automakers have finally surpassed foreign-based brands in the average number of problems per 100 vehicles in the first 90 days of ownership. Detroit vehicles averaged 108 problems; foreign-based brands averaged 109.
Congratulations are in order. If quality improvements are steady, the public will grasp that fact and reward the Detroit firms, as long as their prices stay in line.
finally, some good news out of Detroit...we still make kick butt cars
From The Detroit News: [Link: www.detnews.com...]
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MandyManners Tue, Jun 22, 2010 9:34:59am |
re: #438 ryannon
Turn down the heat on the poker.
I'll turn the room into a sauna when I plunge it into the ice water.
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ReamWorks SKG Tue, Jun 22, 2010 9:35:16am |
re: #432 MandyManners
Much as I think the Lovin' Spoonful was the greatest rock and roll band in the history of the world, I prefer Mungo Jerry's salute to Summer
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Oh no...Sand People! Tue, Jun 22, 2010 9:35:42am |
re: #430 Oh no...Sand People!
Unions had their use at one time...but that is now times of yore.
For example, in Boise Idaho, there is a street corner and day in and out a group of 4 paid union chumps just sit their with signs bashing the businesses who do not support the unions. Fantastic expenditure of cash.
Those hardscrabble sons of the soil sure don't have enough extra money on hand...I mean, 4 paid union chumps just to sit on a street corner?
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ryannon Tue, Jun 22, 2010 9:35:47am |
re: #440 MandyManners
I'll turn the room into a sauna when I plunge it into the ice water.
The poker, or your nose?
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McSpiff Tue, Jun 22, 2010 9:36:23am |
re: #435 Charles
Mornings seem to be the time when the hard core right wingers try to drive out the more liberal people from LGF, by making insulting, degrading comments.
Funny how tones change so quickly when you show up...
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Charles Johnson Tue, Jun 22, 2010 9:36:42am |
And that last comment is to let those of you who are engaged in this little game know that I see what you're doing.
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ryannon Tue, Jun 22, 2010 9:37:36am |
re: #435 Charles
Morning seem to be the time when the hard core right wingers try to drive out the more liberal people from LGF.
Whereas several hours earlier, it can be the other way around.
* ducks and covers *
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Charles Johnson Tue, Jun 22, 2010 9:38:15am |
re: #446 ryannon
Whereas several hours earlier, it can be the other way around.
* ducks and covers *
I don't see the equivalence.
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BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Jun 22, 2010 9:38:31am |
re: #435 Charles
Mornings seem to be the time when the hard core right wingers try to drive out the more liberal people from LGF, by making insulting, degrading comments.
Yes. I can confirm that it's been this way since I registered, at any rate.
That is one reason why many of our liberals, particularly the newer ones, don't post here in the morning. Some people try it in the mornings for a couple of days from work and then never come back.
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ryannon Tue, Jun 22, 2010 9:39:22am |
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Oh no...Sand People! Tue, Jun 22, 2010 9:39:42am |
re: #448 iceweasel
Yes. I can confirm that it's been this way since I registered, at any rate.
That is one reason why many of our liberals, particularly the newer ones, don't post here in the morning. Some people try it in the mornings for a couple of days from work and then never come back.
I personally think I am all over the '24 hour' cycle and I know I am one of the more 'right wingy' of the bunch. I know he has the logs to show my sporadic comings and goings.
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RogueOne Tue, Jun 22, 2010 9:39:54am |
re: #442 Oh no...Sand People!
For example, in Boise Idaho, there is a street corner and day in and out a group of 4 paid union chumps just sit their with signs bashing the businesses who do not support the unions. Fantastic expenditure of cash.
Those hardscrabble sons of the soil sure don't have enough extra money on hand...I mean, 4 paid union chumps just to sit on a street corner?
You sure they're actually union members? Reminded me of this story:
Union Outsources Picket Lines to the Homeless
[Link: www.npr.org...]
About 30 people picket in front of a bank in downtown Washington, D.C., wearing big yellow signs that read: "Mid-Atlantic Regional Council of Carpenters."They shuffle about in circles, many wearing hooded sweatshirts and jeans. Their coats are draped over parking meters; their belongings sit in plastic grocery bags on the sidewalk. I ask a protester named Mike Hodge why he's there.
"We're protesting, we're protesting…" Then the energy leaves his voice and he concedes, "I don't know."
No wonder.
Hodge isn't a carpenter; he's a rent-a-picket.
Solidarity at $8 an Hour
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MandyManners Tue, Jun 22, 2010 9:39:54am |
re: #441 reuven
Much as I think the Lovin' Spoonful was the greatest rock and roll band in the history of the world, I prefer Mungo Jerry's salute to Summer
[Video]
Nice.
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Oh no...Sand People! Tue, Jun 22, 2010 9:40:33am |
re: #451 RogueOne
Yes. Yes they are.
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McSpiff Tue, Jun 22, 2010 9:41:00am |
re: #447 Charles
I don't see the equivalence.
'Et tu' is always on the breakfast menu!
re: #448 iceweasel
Yes. I can confirm that it's been this way since I registered, at any rate.
That is one reason why many of our liberals, particularly the newer ones, don't post here in the morning. Some people try it in the mornings for a couple of days from work and then never come back.
Heh, that's why I love posting in the morning. Really gives you a sense for who people are, when they think the boss ain't lookin.
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A Man for all Seasons Tue, Jun 22, 2010 9:41:12am |
re: #448 iceweasel
Yes. I can confirm that it's been this way since I registered, at any rate.
That is one reason why many of our liberals, particularly the newer ones, don't post here in the morning. Some people try it in the mornings for a couple of days from work and then never come back.
Hi You! I'm here early this week cause I twisted my ankle....Laid up on the couch blogging...
Hope you are well
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MandyManners Tue, Jun 22, 2010 9:41:27am |
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Oh no...Sand People! Tue, Jun 22, 2010 9:41:46am |
re: #454 McSpiff
Heh, that's why I love posting in the morning. Really gives you a sense for who people are, when they think the boss ain't lookin.
Really? It's come to that?
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albusteve Tue, Jun 22, 2010 9:42:26am |
‘Jordan is Palestine,’ said Wilders, who heads the third-largest party in Holland. ‘Changing its name to Palestine will end the conflict in the Middle East and provide the Palestinians with an alternate homeland...There has been an independent Palestinian state since 1946, and it is the kingdom of Jordan.’ Wilders also called on the Dutch government to refer to Jordan as Palestine and move its embassy to Jerusalem.
Geert Wilders starting to make his moves in the Dutch govt, and Melanie Phillips is his mouthpiece here
[Link: www.spectator.co.uk...]
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BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Jun 22, 2010 9:42:40am |
re: #450 Oh no...Sand People!
I personally think I am all over the '24 hour' cycle and I know I am one of the more 'right wingy' of the bunch. I know he has the logs to show my sporadic comings and goings.
Sure. So am I, generally.
That being said, people take advantage of the early morning hours when they believe moderation is light and Charles isn't here to spam threads with crap links, attack any new liberal poster, and generally post lots of insulting crap about the left.
It also tends to be the time when the anti-Muslim bigotry comes to the fore.
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McSpiff Tue, Jun 22, 2010 9:43:24am |
re: #457 Oh no...Sand People!
Really? It's come to that?
I didn't say it was a bad thing necessarily. I seem to get along with certain posters much better in the mornings before the battle lines are drawn.
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albusteve Tue, Jun 22, 2010 9:43:35am |
re: #454 McSpiff
Heh, that's why I love posting in the morning. Really gives you a sense for who people are, when they think the boss ain't lookin.
I never assume Charles isn't looking
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MandyManners Tue, Jun 22, 2010 9:43:38am |
re: #441 reuven
Much as I think the Lovin' Spoonful was the greatest rock and roll band in the history of the world, I prefer Mungo Jerry's salute to Summer
[Video]
I just had to bookmark that. I'm a'bouncing in my seat!
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BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Jun 22, 2010 9:44:05am |
re: #454 McSpiff
Heh, that's why I love posting in the morning. Really gives you a sense for who people are, when they think the boss ain't lookin.
Yep.
re: #455 HoosierHoops
Hi You! I'm here early this week cause I twisted my ankle...Laid up on the couch blogging...
Hope you are well
Hi Hoops! *waves* so sorry about your ankle! What happened? I'll email you.
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ryannon Tue, Jun 22, 2010 9:44:51am |
As long as people stay within the confines of the rules around here, I feel it's a pity to either favor or discourage what could be felt by some to be extreme views at either end of the political spectrum. This variety is the interest and richness of this forum; in the end, it just comes down to people - and I'm interested enough in reading what they have to say to be able to accept for example both Ice and Mandy in the same thread - as long as they refrain from ad feminem attacks.
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lawhawk Tue, Jun 22, 2010 9:45:15am |
re: #439 albusteve
And now the rest of the story:
Top vehicles - 2010 initial survey. No Chrysler in any segment. GM had only 3 vehicles: Large Crossover/SUV - 2010 Chevrolet Tahoe; Large Pickup (tie) 2010 Chevrolet Avalanche and 2010 GMC Sierra 1500
By brands:
[Link: www.autoblog.com...]
Industry average is 109.
The domestics did better on average than the foreign brands because of Ford (93) and Lincoln (106). The GM brands did worse than the industry average (111 for Chevy, 111 for Caddy). Chrysler did much worse than the industry average (122); Jeep 129 and Dodge at 130.
Foreign brands got whacked primarily due to the Toyota problems.
So, attributing domestics doing better than foreign is tantamount to showing that Ford got the job done. And done well. Ford deserves the kudos. GM not so much. Chrysler - not at all.
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RogueOne Tue, Jun 22, 2010 9:45:49am |
Not to come to steves defense or anything but I've never seen him be exactly shy in the evenings either.
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McSpiff Tue, Jun 22, 2010 9:46:01am |
re: #461 albusteve
I never assume Charles isn't looking
Laugh, I could never accuse you of holding back steve. You and brookly remind me of the two old dudes from the muppets no matter what time it is...
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Oh no...Sand People! Tue, Jun 22, 2010 9:46:14am |
re: #459 iceweasel
Sure. So am I, generally.
That being said, people take advantage of the early morning hours when they believe moderation is light and Charles isn't here to spam threads with crap links, attack any new liberal poster, and generally post lots of insulting crap about the left.
It also tends to be the time when the anti-Muslim bigotry comes to the fore.
Or....they work afternoon shifts?
I really am not sure at this point of LGF, who is the 'rightwinger' and who isn't. I understand AlbusSteve and myself are the current 'righties' and good for an occasional row, and Walter is completely objective, but aside from that, I must not be paying attention to the others.
| 469 |
MandyManners Tue, Jun 22, 2010 9:46:16am |
Gonna' find out just how dedicated The Kid is to his baseball tournament. If he doesn't get his uniform to the laundry room within 10 minutes, I'm not washing it.
| 470 |
McSpiff Tue, Jun 22, 2010 9:46:52am |
re: #466 RogueOne
Not to come to steves defense or anything but I've never seen him be exactly shy in the evenings either.
If I thought he was holding back on me, I'd start sleeping with one eye open.
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BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Jun 22, 2010 9:48:01am |
re: #468 Oh no...Sand People!
Or...they work afternoon shifts?
I really am not sure at this point of LGF, who is the 'rightwinger' and who isn't. I understand AlbusSteve and myself are the current 'righties' and good for an occasional row, and Walter is completely objective, but aside from that, I must not be paying attention to the others.
I guess not, but it's obvious to those who are.
| 473 |
ryannon Tue, Jun 22, 2010 9:48:12am |
re: #468 Oh no...Sand People!
Or...they work afternoon shifts?
I really am not sure at this point of LGF, who is the 'rightwinger' and who isn't. I understand AlbusSteve and myself are the current 'righties' and good for an occasional row, and Walter is completely objective, but aside from that, I must not be paying attention to the others.
I always thought that albusteve was a failed anarchist. That's his charm for me.
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A Man for all Seasons Tue, Jun 22, 2010 9:48:13am |
re: #463 iceweasel
Hi Hoops! *waves* so sorry about your ankle! What happened? I'll email you.
I slipped on the steps getting out of the pool...
You should have heard all the curse words.. It was a thing of beauty..
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McSpiff Tue, Jun 22, 2010 9:50:07am |
re: #474 HoosierHoops
I slipped on the steps getting out of the pool...
You should have heard all the curse words.. It was a thing of beauty..
You really are a "glass half full...heck, that might even be 3/4 full!" kind of guy. Its great. Hope its not too swore and heals quick.
| 476 |
Oh no...Sand People! Tue, Jun 22, 2010 9:51:16am |
re: #471 iceweasel
I guess not, but it's obvious to those who are.
I guess since their isn't much added to the conversation by us. We can take the hint.
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albusteve Tue, Jun 22, 2010 9:51:29am |
re: #473 ryannon
I always thought that albusteve was a failed anarchist. That's his charm for me.
I'm into issues...I'm a conservative and have no love for the GOP
| 478 |
abolitionist Tue, Jun 22, 2010 9:52:34am |
re: #455 HoosierHoops
Hi You! I'm here early this week cause I twisted my ankle...Laid up on the couch blogging...
Hope you are well
Epsom Salt for Bruises
A simple Epsom salt bath applied to the area of the sprain or the bruise will provide relief to the impacted area, helping to reduce swelling and minimize the soreness.
Won't necessarily help if your injury is tear in soft tissue. Be sure to rinse.
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MrSilverDragon Tue, Jun 22, 2010 9:52:49am |
re: #474 HoosierHoops
I slipped on the steps getting out of the pool...
You should have heard all the curse words.. It was a thing of beauty..
Ah yes, the tirade that makes a prostitute blush... I remember dislocating my shoulder and having one of those shortly before I shocked out from the pain. I remember regaining coherency in the hospital and holding my tongue because I wanted to continue the rant.
Recommendation, don't dislocate your shoulder if you can at all avoid it.
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A Man for all Seasons Tue, Jun 22, 2010 9:53:32am |
re: #475 McSpiff
You really are a "glass half full...heck, that might even be 3/4 full!" kind of guy. Its great. Hope its not too swore and heals quick.
Thank you.. You know what they say..
an optimist sees a glass half full
a pessimist sees a glass half empty
an engineer sees a glass half as big as it needs to be
| 481 |
McSpiff Tue, Jun 22, 2010 9:54:15am |
I respect anyone who will fight for their ideals and values. What I don't respect is someone who will only do that when they know they have numbers. That only applies to a few people here, and it has nothing to do with the Left/Right spectrum. On that note, I gotta grab some grub. Back in a bit.
| 482 |
lawhawk Tue, Jun 22, 2010 9:54:41am |
Sorry, but this Kato isn't Bruce Lee. Other than that - I think this has real potential to be a comedy gold-mine (at least that's how they've pitched this trailer for the new Green Hornet).
| 483 |
BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Jun 22, 2010 9:54:56am |
re: #474 HoosierHoops
I slipped on the steps getting out of the pool...
You should have heard all the curse words.. It was a thing of beauty..
Poor Hoops! What are you doing, elevating it, putting heat on it? I can't remember what to do for a bad sprain. Best of luck and a fast recovery for you!
| 484 |
Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Jun 22, 2010 9:55:10am |
re: #474 HoosierHoops
I slipped on the steps getting out of the pool...
You should have heard all the curse words.. It was a thing of beauty..
Part I: “The foolish and wicked practice of profane cursing and swearing is a vice so mean and low that every person of sense and character detests and despises it” George Washington
Part II: During some battle of the Rev war (too lazy to go look it up), the general in charge panicked and was just generally screwing up. A soldier later reported that Washington cursed the air blue. It was, apparently, quite a tirade.
Make of that what you will.
| 485 |
ryannon Tue, Jun 22, 2010 9:55:34am |
I'm into issues...I'm a conservative and have no love for the GOP
Spoken like a man, Sir.
* Putting a Paul Robeson 78rpm on the Victrola: *
My grandmother licked stamps for the Progressive Party!
Wallace for President! re: #477 albusteve
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lawhawk Tue, Jun 22, 2010 9:56:58am |
re: #474 HoosierHoops
I slipped on the steps getting out of the pool...
You should have heard all the curse words.. It was a thing of beauty..
Feel better dude. I know your pain.
RICE* is your friend. Rice wine is even better! :)
*Rest, Ice, Compress, Elevate.
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MrSilverDragon Tue, Jun 22, 2010 9:59:13am |
re: #486 lawhawk
Feel better dude. I know your pain.
RICE* is your friend. Rice wine is even better! :)
*Rest, Ice, Compress, Elevate.
Sake deserves the +1 I have to give.
| 488 |
ryannon Tue, Jun 22, 2010 10:00:02am |
re: #477 albusteve
I'm into issues...I'm a conservative and have no love for the GOP
There's only what's real and what isn't, which seems to be largely what LGF is all about, and why I like it.
| 489 |
BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Jun 22, 2010 10:02:04am |
re: #481 McSpiff
I respect anyone who will fight for their ideals and values. What I don't respect is someone who will only do that when they know they have numbers. That only applies to a few people here, and it has nothing to do with the Left/Right spectrum. On that note, I gotta grab some grub. Back in a bit.
There's another problem that has nothing to do with the numbers.
Normal people who come here in the morning, if they're on the left, will come by a few times, see the lovely acronymns some are still using for the POTUS, or a few 'accidental' Rachel Corrie jokes, and find the same spammed wingnut conspiracy links.
Some people don't mind swimming upstream against all that. I suspect many more just never come back.
I think people forget that many more people read here than register or comment. There's never less than a thousand people reading here at any given time even if it's the dead of night and only a few people are commenting.
Fortunately we now have the page system.
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ryannon Tue, Jun 22, 2010 10:02:36am |
French Kiss Your Coach Goodbye Dept:
Raymond Domenech, the coach of France's soccer team, resigns in the middle of World Cup.
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pharmmajor Tue, Jun 22, 2010 10:02:58am |
re: #429 albusteve
liberals have no regard for the Constitution...just a fucking piece of meaningless paper...shred baby shred
In the immortal words of Dr. Cox: Wrong wrong wrong wrong, wrong wrong wrong wrong. You're wrong!
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MandyManners Tue, Jun 22, 2010 10:06:04am |
re: #490 ryannon
French Kiss Your Coach Goodbye Dept:
Raymond Domenech, the coach of France's soccer team, resigns in the middle of World Cup.
Over that "slut" comment?
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ryannon Tue, Jun 22, 2010 10:06:36am |
re: #491 pharmmajor
In the immortal words of Dr. Cox: Wrong wrong wrong wrong, wrong wrong wrong wrong. You're wrong!
Half of what you read here at any given time is wrong. I've learned to live with it. History will recognize its own.
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ryannon Tue, Jun 22, 2010 10:09:27am |
re: #492 MandyManners
Over that "slut" comment?
That, plus they refused to practice and just lost their last game. I wouldn't want to be their coach either.
But they all got really nice vuvuzelas as souvenirs.
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MandyManners Tue, Jun 22, 2010 10:12:37am |
re: #494 ryannon
That, plus they refused to practice and just lost their last game. I wouldn't want to be their coach either.
But they all got really nice vuvuzelas as souvenirs.
I know what those are but, the word and it's pronunciation make me snicker.
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Macha Tue, Jun 22, 2010 10:30:26am |
re: #474 HoosierHoops
I slipped on the steps getting out of the pool...
You should have heard all the curse words.. It was a thing of beauty..
A good stream of profanity in some instances can be nearly poetic.
Ouch! Sounds like a bad sprain. I'm assuming you have ruled out anything broken. Ice for the first 24 hours, heat after that, unless there is a great deal of swelling. You are staying off it, that is good. Is Winston doing his job and keeping you company?
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Four More Tears Tue, Jun 22, 2010 10:32:33am |
Wow. I actually managed to pass out for a few hours after making lots of phone calls and come back to this. Thank you very much, each and every one of you. I really do appreciate your thoughts and prayers. Time for me to head out the hospital. After I get some friggin' coffee.
Ciao.
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