Influential Right Wing Evangelist Supports Uganda’s ‘Principled Stand’ on Executing Gays

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Far right evangelist Lou Engle is highly influential among the social conservative wing of the GOP (which is pretty much the entire GOP); he has hosted “prayercasts” attended by top Republican politicians including former presidential candidate Mike Huckabee, and is involved in many other high profile political activities.

And this “man of God” who has the ear of the GOP leadership believes homosexuality should be criminalized; the nation he admires for their “principled stand” is Uganda.

Where they’re trying to pass a law that would execute gays.

As I discussed here last week, Jeff Sharlet, guest-posting on Warren Throckmorton’s blog, reported from Uganda on how supporters of the Anti-Homosexuality bill there understood American evangelist Lou Engle’s statements there as supportive of their efforts to get the bill passed. The role Engle might have played in offering American support for the bill is of intense interest, given that Engle has become an increasingly visible figure in the religious right — among other things, hosting a rally on the National Mall that included former presidential candidate and now Fox News host Mike Huckabee and the Family Research Council’s Tony Perkins; appearing in a “prayercast” against health care reform with Republican members of Congress; and playing a prominent role in the recent Freedom Federation Summit held at Liberty University in Lynchburg, Virginia.

Engle’s anti-gay rhetoric is no secret, and in an interview with me on Friday, he supported criminalizing homosexuality, although he insists that he did not support the Ugandan bill because he believes the penalties are too harsh. But, as Michael Wilkerson reported for RD last month, at his Kampala The Call rally Engle did not contest the support for the bill of the speaker who preceded him, self-styled Apostle Julius Oyet. What’s more, Engle stated at The Call, “We know that Uganda has been under tremendous pressure—the church. We felt that same pressure. But I felt like The Call was to come and join with the church of Uganda to encourage you that in the nation who are showing courage to take a stand for righteousness in the earth.”

Engle now is splitting hairs and claiming that this statement wasn’t supportive of the bill, but rather of the bill’s promoters’ efforts to prevent the “homosexual agenda” from taking over the country.

Oyet and David Bahati, the parliamentarian who authored the bill, met with Engle before the rally and were, according to Sharlet, “ecstatic at what they perceived as Engle’s strong support of the bill. They felt his rally and his statements would be a turning point for the bill, reassuring their Ugandan allies that they had support abroad.” As Wilkerson reported, Engle’s speech at The Call was followed by James Nsaba Buturo, Uganda’s Minister for Ethics and Integrity, and a well-known supporter of the bill, who unequivocally supported it at Engle’s rally (something Engle claims he has apologized for).

Engle insisted to me — as he has in his public statements posted on his website — that he did not support the bill’s penalties. He also maintained that he did not know who the speakers at The Call were going to be, because the arrangements were handled by a Ugandan ministry (although he admitted meeting with Buturo beforehand). But he also made absolutely clear that he supports the criminalization of homosexuality, believes there could be a biblical basis for a death penalty, that the United Nations has promoted the “homosexual agenda” to Uganda’s detriment, and he lauded the bill’s promoters’ efforts to take a “principled stand” against that.

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1 albusteve  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 10:41:17am

I don't have the stomach to read more...the issue has taken on a futuristic surreal quality

2 Nekama  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 10:44:12am
Far right evangelist Lou Engle is highly influential among the social conservative wing of the GOP (which is pretty much the entire GOP)

That's nonsense.

3 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 10:44:55am

re: #2 Nekama

That's nonsense.

No, it isn't.

4 The Left  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 10:45:26am

re: #2 Nekama

That's nonsense.

Really? I suggest you check out the Texas GOP platform, for one.

5 What, me worry?  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 10:46:49am

Interesting. Locker put up a post in the Pages re the Texas Republicans and their 2010 Preamble which reads like a Stormfront diatribe. It also includes criminalizing homosexuality (in the U.S. mind you) which of course is the first step to killing them as we see in Uganda.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

6 jamesfirecat  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 10:47:13am

re: #4 iceweasel

Really? I suggest you check out the Texas GOP platform, for one.

Or how about the Mane one?

I mean Texas people expect to be... Texas, but Mane?

7 What, me worry?  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 10:47:14am

re: #4 iceweasel

Really? I suggest you check out the Texas GOP platform, for one.

Great minds, baby :)

8 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 10:47:37am

re: #2 Nekama

I understand that you don't want to accept it, but the social conservatives have a death grip on the GOP.

9 Kragar  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 10:48:31am

The same Lou Engle who advocates martyrdom and civil war and is a Timothy McVeigh Apologist?

10 The Left  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 10:48:38am

re: #5 marjoriemoon

Interesting. Locker put up a post in the Pages re the Texas Republicans and their 2010 Preamble which reads like a Stormfront diatribe. It also includes criminalizing homosexuality (in the U.S. mind you) which of course is the first step to killing them as we see in Uganda.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

They also want to recriminalise sodomy, which isn't only about gay people.
How you doing, marjorie?!

11 The Left  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 10:49:14am

re: #9 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The same Lou Engle who advocates martyrdom and civil war and is a Timothy McVeigh Apologist?


[Video]

WOW.

12 What, me worry?  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 10:49:29am

re: #10 iceweasel

They also want to recriminalise sodomy, which isn't only about gay people.
How you doing, marjorie?!

Ugh, it's just scary as hell. I know there are people who think this way, but to be so organized and out there is just beyond frightening.

I'm great, hon! How about you and the Jimster?

13 avanti  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 10:49:50am

New Orleans judge blocks drilling ban, just in.

14 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 10:50:35am

The Texas GOP platform is a little farther out than most, but there are many other states with GOP platforms just as bad. Teaching creationism is in almost all of them, and many support varying degrees of criminalizing homosexuality and abortion.

15 albusteve  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 10:50:44am

re: #13 avanti

New Orleans judge blocks drilling ban, just in.

whoa!...that is something

16 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 10:50:48am

These people are what I call "smug exceptionalist." Homosexuals have to understand that they do need the help, they do need the preaching. Lou Engle is not capable of understanding that you could live a morally upright life, doing no one harm.... and fulfill your part in the "cosmic" scheme of thing. People like Lou Engle claim it's "love"

And the "love," it's not unconditional, not in a long shot. The "love" is motivated by the fact that Lou Engle has been convinced that homosexuals are damned, and his mission in life is to bring them to salvation. If a homosexual doesn't know his lord, they are not complete, they are broken, defective... but it's not really love, it's mistaken pity. Engle is following a rule book, one that tells him to love the sinner, a manufactured love according to the game plan of a mystical god.

Those who go through life imagining that you can "love the sinner, hate the sin" are "smug exceptionalist." They live in a ideological cone zone which makes them feel better than others, lording over others, a false sense of purpose.

But, that doesn't matter does it? As long as Engle floats through life feeling "righter" than others, and leaving a trail of damage behind him, it doesn't matter, because everything is in gods plan. "Smug exceptionalist" don't have to take any personal responsibility, it's all gods fault.

And when all else fails, we always will always have have the popular cop out to fall back on... "well... Engle's not a real christian."

17 Nekama  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 10:50:48am

re: #3 Charles

No, it isn't.

You're saying that virtually all Republican voters are socially conservative?

18 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 10:52:50am

re: #17 Nekama

You're saying that virtually all Republican voters are socially conservative?

I mean virtually the entire party structure. If I meant to say "all GOP voters" I would have said that.

19 MandyManners  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 10:53:10am

Somebody needs to re-read John 8:7.

20 wrenchwench  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 10:53:32am
Gender rights, will trump religious rights. I think it's wrong, it's not good for society.

And I feel exactly the opposite.

21 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 10:54:09am

re: #19 MandyManners

Somebody needs to re-read John 8:7.

I'm sure you realize that Engle can quote numerous passages from the Bible to support his hatred of gay people.

22 _RememberTonyC  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 10:54:14am

The GOP needs a present day William F. Buckley really REALLY badly. I hope he (and it probably has to be a "he") is out there planning an intervention ....

23 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 10:54:53am

re: #19 MandyManners

Somebody needs to re-read John 8:7.

Everyone need to stop reading the scriptures.

24 albusteve  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 10:56:14am

re: #22 _RememberTonyC

The GOP needs a present day William F. Buckley really REALLY badly. I hope he (and it probably has to be a "he") is out there planning an intervention ...

someone needed to stand up and trump Newt regarding his last outburst...not a peep...that's part of Charles' point

25 albusteve  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 10:56:37am

re: #23 Walter L. Newton

Everyone need to stop reading the scriptures.

heh...SMACK!

26 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 10:58:20am

re: #22 _RememberTonyC

The GOP needs a present day William F. Buckley really REALLY badly. I hope he (and it probably has to be a "he") is out there planning an intervention ...

We're 'way past the Buckley stage here. We need Teddy Roosevelt and his big stick.

27 ryannon  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 10:59:49am

re: #26 Shiplord Kirel

We're 'way past the Buckley stage here. We need Teddy Roosevelt and his big stick.

In b.. ?

No, never mind.

28 McSpiff  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 11:00:21am

re: #26 Shiplord Kirel

We're 'way past the Buckley stage here. We need Teddy Roosevelt and his big stick.

As a Canadian, I find it amazing Americans never take the last leap... what conservatives need is a new party.

29 Kragar  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 11:00:46am

Men like Lou Engles are a blight on society.

30 euphgeek  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 11:00:51am

re: #22 _RememberTonyC

The GOP needs a present day William F. Buckley really REALLY badly. I hope he (and it probably has to be a "he") is out there planning an intervention ...

David Frum and Christopher Buckley tried to, but the Republicans disavowed them for daring to go against the party line.

"How dare you stop us from going over the cliff!"

31 lawhawk  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 11:00:54am

re: #26 Shiplord Kirel

Or a William Wallace shooting fireballs from his eyes, and bolts of lightning from his arse...

On second thought, the lightning bolts from his arse might get the GOP leadership collective knickers in a twist because it might infect 'em with teh ghey.

32 Nekama  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 11:01:06am

re: #18 Charles

That wasn't apparent from this statement:

"the social conservative wing of the GOP (which is pretty much the entire GOP)".

How much social conservatism did you see in Chris Christie's (NJ's Governor) platform?

33 AK-47%  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 11:01:37am

re: #23 Walter L. Newton

Everyone need to stop reading the scriptures.

People need to start really reading the Scriptures - in a critical and educated fashion, as a whole and taking into account the social and historical context in which they were written.

That is a lot diffrent from picking isolated bits of the Bible and using them to justify what are in effect very un-Christian points of view.

34 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 11:02:15am

OT -

NEW ORLEANS (AP) - A federal judge in New Orleans has blocked a six-month moratorium on new deepwater drilling projects that was imposed in response to the massive Gulf oil spill.
Several companies that ferry people and supplies and provide other services to offshore drilling rigs had asked U.S. District Judge Martin Feldman in New Orleans to overturn the moratorium.

President Barack Obama's administration has halted the approval of any new permits for deepwater drilling and suspended drilling at 33 exploratory wells in the Gulf.

Feldman says in his ruling that the Interior Department failed to provide adequate reasoning for the moratorium. He says it seems to assume that because one rig failed, all companies and rigs doing deepwater drilling pose an imminent danger.

35 ArchangelMichael  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 11:02:22am

re: #28 McSpiff

As a Canadian, I find it amazing Americans never take the last leap... what conservatives need is a new party.

Inertia and impatience. A new party would take 3-5 elections to get anywhere and Americans just have no time for that crap. We have an attention span of about 30 seconds.

36 The Left  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 11:02:47am

From May, via BTB:
Engle Offers Tactical Support For Uganda’s Anti-Gay Bill

Religious Dispatches as a very detailed eyewitness account by Michael Wilkerson of Lou Engle’s participating at an anti-gay rally in Kampala last Sunday. Wilkerson points out that Engle didn’t mention the the draconian Anti-Homosexuality Bill directly, but given the context of the entire all-day rally he didn’t need to.[...]


Engle likes to portray himself as a courageous, fearless and bold trumpet of righteousness. When he issued his statement addressing concerns about his then-upcoming rally, we noted then that he tried to weave some sort of middle ground and we were left wondering what message he would deliver in Kampala. We now know the answer.

The problem all along is that the way the bill has been framed by its supporters, there is no room for middle ground. You are either in support of the bill or you are against it. Either you want to legislate LGBT people into oblivion or you don’t. Engle’s actions now leaves him squarely in the supporting camp. He had the opportunity to “[reflect] compassion for those struggling with same-sex attraction and equal justice for criminal offenses committed by heterosexuals or homosexuals,” but he blew it.

Instead, he demonstrated public solidarity with the people who want to kill LGBT Ugandans, and repeated their propaganda to do it. He stood beside those who want to kill LGBT people, including Oyet, Bahati, and Ethics and Integrity Minister James, Nsaba Buturo, among others. Nobody heard an ounce of caution or criticism from him. Instead, Engle affirmed the “righteousness” of the people who want to kill you. He’s an articulate man. Words never fail him. Which means that when he left only one conceivable take-away message for everyone in that crowd, that they are on the right track in trying to legally kill gay people, he did this with deliberate intent. And really, that is all you need to know about him.

37 Nekama  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 11:02:55am

re: #30 euphgeek

They said "put it in park and watch BHO drive his party off the cliff".

38 albusteve  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 11:03:02am

re: #29 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Men like Lou Engles are a blight on society.

and to take his lunacy into Uganda, a country with many problems to deal with, it's criminal, like intentionally spreading a disease

39 Spider Mensch  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 11:03:10am

re: #10 iceweasel

They also want to recriminalise sodomy, which isn't only about gay people.
How you doing, marjorie?!


What...why they'll have to pry my sodomy from my cold dead...well.. another time for that one )))
anyhow I better get my campaign going..how's this for my platform motto.." Tippiecanoe and Sodomy too!!!'

catchy huh? )))

40 avanti  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 11:03:12am

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41 SpaceJesus  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 11:03:18am

I'm sure Uganda was just on the verge of being overrun by the "homosexual agenda" as you put it, Mr. Engle. Could you imagine the terror the Ugandans must have felt not knowing when this fabulous menace was about to pounce on them?

42 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 11:03:29am

re: #33 ralphieboy

People need to start really reading the Scriptures - in a critical and educated fashion, as a whole and taking into account the social and historical context in which they were written.

That is a lot diffrent from picking isolated bits of the Bible and using them to justify what are in effect very un-Christian points of view.

Wow... you convinced me... I'm going to rush right downstairs and get those scriptures from out of the firewood bin...

43 ReamWorks SKG  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 11:04:05am

I could never understand when Chr-stains listen to the commandments in the Hebrew bible, and when they ignore them.

In my limited understanding of Chr-stianity, J*s*s' sacrifice made it unnecessary to observe the 613 commandments in the Hebrew Bible. (He stated that he "fulfilled" the Commandments, IIRC).

...believes there could be a biblical basis for a death penalty...

Jewish law in its entirety would reject this. In fact, it is almost impossible to sentence someone to death under Jewish law including the Oral Torah because the standards for evidence and sentencing are set so high. An example (paraphrased from MyJewishLearning.com) is

[I]t is ruled that two witnesses are required to testify not only that they witnessed the act for which the criminal has been charged but that they had warned him beforehand that if he carried out the act he would be executed, and he had to accept the warning, stating his willingness to commit the act despite his awareness of its consequences. The criminal's own confession is not accepted as evidence. Moreover, circumstantial evidence is not admitted.

The Rabbis preferred to put boundaries around the death penalty, and make it more of a theoretical punishment than a practical one.

Anyway, when I hear Chr-stians picking and choosing from the Hebrew Bible, violating their own teachings, I find it very confusing.

44 Daniel Ballard  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 11:04:29am

re: #40 avanti

You should Page this if you did not already.

45 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 11:05:26am

re: #40 avanti

More on the court order to halt drilling ban:

Judge Blocks Obama's Deepwater Drilling Ban
La. Companies Successful In Lawsuit Against President's 6-Month Moratorium On Offshore Drilling Amid BP Spill In Gulf
CBS News Interactive: Oil And Gas Use
NEW ORLEANS (CBS) ―

[snip]

The White House officials said that they will challenge the ruling, reports CBS News' Mark Knoller.

Those damn activist judges.

46 McSpiff  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 11:05:35am

re: #35 ArchangelMichael

Inertia and impatience. A new party would take 3-5 elections to get anywhere and Americans just have no time for that crap. We have an attention span of about 30 seconds.


I understand that, but with the SoCons in charge, we'll never see a moderate conservative in power. 3-5 elections for a new party might just beat the alternative. How people aren't running screaming from the party that had Palin as a VP candidate ill never understand...

47 avanti  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 11:05:47am

re: #44 Rightwingconspirator

You should Page this if you did not already.

Thanks, I did.

48 albusteve  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 11:05:58am

re: #34 Walter L. Newton

OT -

NEW ORLEANS (AP) - A federal judge in New Orleans has blocked a six-month moratorium on new deepwater drilling projects that was imposed in response to the massive Gulf oil spill.
Several companies that ferry people and supplies and provide other services to offshore drilling rigs had asked U.S. District Judge Martin Feldman in New Orleans to overturn the moratorium.

President Barack Obama's administration has halted the approval of any new permits for deepwater drilling and suspended drilling at 33 exploratory wells in the Gulf.

Feldman says in his ruling that the Interior Department failed to provide adequate reasoning for the moratorium. He says it seems to assume that because one rig failed, all companies and rigs doing deepwater drilling pose an imminent danger.

whoopsie!....another state BO has to take on, and I think Texas has a law ready to vote on very similar to AZs new law

49 _RememberTonyC  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 11:06:17am

re: #24 albusteve

someone needed to stand up and trump Newt regarding his last outburst...not a peep...that's part of Charles' point

the only GOP personality with the gravitas to get this done is Mitt Romney. He has made some poor moves regarding some of the groups he has appeared in front of, but I see him as more sober and less tainted than many of the other big GOP names. I just hope his LDS faith does not prevent him from reaching the level he should.

50 avanti  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 11:06:36am

re: #45 Walter L. Newton

Those damn activist judges.

My thoughts exactly, the knife cuts both ways.

51 SpaceJesus  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 11:06:48am

re: #43 reuven


feel free to spell out my name if you want, im down with it

52 euphgeek  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 11:07:23am

re: #37 Nekama

They said "put it in park and watch BHO drive his party off the cliff".

Except that neither one has happened. The Republicans never put it in park and Obama never drove his party off the cliff.

53 What, me worry?  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 11:07:33am

re: #28 McSpiff

As a Canadian, I find it amazing Americans never take the last leap... what conservatives need is a new party.

They don't need a new party. They need their more moderate constituents to grab ahold of the loony and shake it out. The problem is that NO ONE is doing that. Which causes people to say they don't exist. Well, do they?

What I think: it won't matter because the U.S. won't tolerate it in the end. Each GOP racist that stands up and barks this crap, like Rand Paul, will see their careers flushed down the drain. Like Rand Paul.

54 Kragar  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 11:07:36am

re: #38 albusteve

and to take his lunacy into Uganda, a country with many problems to deal with, it's criminal, like intentionally spreading a disease

If this were a Muslim with the same history pushing this agenda, the Wingnuts would be calling for a predator strike to take him out.

55 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 11:07:43am

re: #43 reuven

I could never understand when Chr-stains listen to the commandments in the Hebrew bible, and when they ignore them.

In my limited understanding of Chr-stianity, J*s*s' sacrifice made it unnecessary to observe the 613 commandments in the Hebrew Bible. (He stated that he "fulfilled" the Commandments, IIRC).

...believes there could be a biblical basis for a death penalty...

Jewish law in its entirety would reject this. In fact, it is almost impossible to sentence someone to death under Jewish law including the Oral Torah because the standards for evidence and sentencing are set so high. An example (paraphrased from MyJewishLearning.com) is

[I]t is ruled that two witnesses are required to testify not only that they witnessed the act for which the criminal has been charged but that they had warned him beforehand that if he carried out the act he would be executed, and he had to accept the warning, stating his willingness to commit the act despite his awareness of its consequences. The criminal's own confession is not accepted as evidence. Moreover, circumstantial evidence is not admitted.

The Rabbis preferred to put boundaries around the death penalty, and make it more of a theoretical punishment than a practical one.

Anyway, when I hear Chr-stians picking and choosing from the Hebrew Bible, violating their own teachings, I find it very confusing.

Hey jerk... how about having a little respect for the Christians that we do have on LGF (and there are plenty enough to whoop your little ass) and not use derogatory references like that. It's the same way we don't like satirical names for Obama and others on LGF. My opinion, but stop it.

56 AK-47%  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 11:08:00am

re: #42 Walter L. Newton

Wow... you convinced me... I'm going to rush right downstairs and get those scriptures from out of the firewood bin...

It was tried in the fiery furnace, and it's good enough for me!

57 mr. hammer  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 11:08:26am

C'mon Mr. C. Please stop smearing social conservatives and Christians. Don't you have anything else to write about? I am a Christian and a conservative, and I am active in local politics, and I've never even heard of this guy. I have never met anyone - including numerous conservative pastors with whom I am acquainted - who would want homosexuality to be criminalized. This guy sounds like a lunatic. To claim that he is influential among the entire GOP, and has the ear of leadership is absurd.

58 ReamWorks SKG  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 11:08:44am

re: #51 SpaceJesus

Well, it's confusing. Jews generally avoid spelling out a name of G-d in a any language. But we're also prohibited from acknowledging false gods (with a lower-case g) so we write J*sus or Chr-st.

Of course, my friend Chr-s just thinks I'm an asshole.

59 tnguitarist  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 11:09:04am

I just don't get it. I really don't. Even if you think that homosexuality is wrong, aren't Christians supposed to be taught to love their fellow man? I guess I'm just a sucker. My moral code tells me to treat everyone with respect and help anyone that needs it.

60 McSpiff  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 11:09:43am

re: #57 mr. hammer

How's the weather under all that sand?

61 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 11:09:44am

re: #58 reuven

Well, it's confusing. Jews generally avoid spelling out a name of G-d in a any language. But we're also prohibited from acknowledging false gods (with a lower-case g) so we write J*sus or Chr-st.

Of course, my friend Chr-s just thinks I'm an asshole.

And so do I.

62 albusteve  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 11:10:40am

re: #53 marjoriemoon

They don't need a new party. They need their more moderate constituents to grab ahold of the loony and shake it out. The problem is that NO ONE is doing that. Which causes people to say they don't exist. Well, do they?

What I think: it won't matter because the U.S. won't tolerate it in the end. Each GOP racist that stands up and barks this crap, like Rand Paul, will see their careers flushed down the drain. Like Rand Paul.

my last shred of hope....but voters are so ill informed, they really don't know who they are voting for

63 Only The Lurker Knows  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 11:10:58am

Afternoon all. Stepping off the proverbial cliff here, but what is it about anal sex that religious right (and that is what it boils down to) has a problem with?
Let me guess, it doesn't result in a chance of reproduction, and that is what these idiots assume sex is all about.

One has to wonder if they ever considered that sex has TWO purposes.

First and foremost, propagation of the species.

Second, Plain and simple, Pleasure.

But I guess, like in Islam. in Christianity there is no pleasure, only duty.

*Shield Up*

64 AK-47%  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 11:11:18am

Wretched, self-loathing homophobia is very deeply ingrained into Christian thinking: an Anglican Bishop caused a major stir when he presented the case that St. Paul himself was a self-loathing, repressed homosexual:

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

65 The Left  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 11:11:52am

re: #57 mr. hammer

C'mon Mr. C. Please stop smearing social conservatives and Christians.

Yeah, reporting facts is 'smearing'.

66 What, me worry?  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 11:12:47am

re: #62 albusteve

my last shred of hope...but voters are so ill informed, they really don't know who they are voting for

We elected a black liberal man as president by a wide margin. This is really the wrong time to be preaching racist and intolerant viewpoints.

67 jamesfirecat  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 11:12:57am

re: #17 Nekama

You're saying that virtually all Republican voters are socially conservative?

Nope, just virtually all Republicans running for office...

68 abolitionist  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 11:13:36am

re: #55 Walter L. Newton

Hey jerk... how about having a little respect for the Christians that we do have on LGF (and there are plenty enough to whoop your little ass) and not use derogatory references like that. It's the same way we don't like satirical names for Obama and others on LGF. My opinion, but stop it.

Good of you to say that. Now, if only they guy who made that crack about getting his scriptures out of the kindling bin would get a clue.

69 mr. hammer  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 11:13:52am

re: #65 iceweasel

Yeah, reporting facts is 'smearing'.

Tarring me and my fellow Chirstians with this bull crap spouted by some fringe lunatic is smearing.

70 Digital Display  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 11:14:32am

re: #43 reuven

Hi you..But dear Lord if you are really going to start a thread on Christian Theology...To start with this line:
In my limited understanding of Chr-stianity, J*s*s' sacrifice made it unnecessary to observe the 613 commandments in the Hebrew Bible. (He stated that he "fulfilled" the Commandments, IIRC).
I'm going to show kindness..But that is really a shallow interpretation.

71 ReamWorks SKG  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 11:14:46am

re: #68 abolitionist

[Link: www.faqs.org...]

72 Kragar  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 11:14:48am

Meet the GOP’s new prayer leader

Last December 2009 Engle led the Family Research Council’s Prayercast on Health Care Reform, a telecast event attended by GOP Senators Sam Brownback and Jim DeMint and Republican Congress members Michelle Bachmann and Randy Forbes. Lou Engle claims he was Kansas Senator Sam Brownback’s roommate for seven months, and his association with GOP politicians doesn’t stop there. During summer 2009 Engle blessed and anointed former Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee and former GOP Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich.

More recently, Engle led a session on “prayer and revival” at the April 2010 Freedom Federation ‘Awakening 2010′ conference at former Moral Majority head Jerry Falwell’s Thomas Road Baptist Church in Lynchburg, VA. Attending the event were Virginia’s Attorney General Ken Cuccinelli, Virginia Governor Bob McDonnell, Texas Governor Rick Perry, Minnesota Governor Tim Pawlenty, Congressman Randy Forbes, Former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich, and Reagan Administration Undersecretary of Education Gary Bauer.

Media coverage of Lou Engle’s religious tendency has been almost nonexistent, and that’s striking given there’s evidence the movement has already fielded a vice presidential candidate and is now fielding a GOP gubernatorial candidate.

73 McSpiff  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 11:15:06am

re: #69 mr. hammer

It must be awful to frequent a site where you're so unfairly smeared... wonder why someone would do that?

74 What, me worry?  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 11:15:07am

re: #57 mr. hammer

If you're a good Christian conservative, you should be very concerned about these things and quit trying to shoot the messenger.

75 The Left  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 11:15:49am

re: #63 Bubblehead II

Afternoon all. Stepping off the proverbial cliff here, but what is it about anal sex that religious right (and that is what it boils down to) has a problem with?
Let me guess, it doesn't result in a chance of reproduction, and that is what these idiots assume sex is all about.

One has to wonder if they ever considered that sex has TWO purposes.

First and foremost, propagation of the species.

Second, Plain and simple, Pleasure.

They object to lots more than anal sex. They're properly described as sexphobic in addition to homophobic.

BTW, that sodomy ban refers to oral sex as well as anal, and obviously is not something only two gay men can perform.

It's interesting that US wingnuts don't exhibit quite the same fear and loathing of gay women as they do gay men. We generally only hear them freakout about gay women when the issue of adopting children or having children with your female partner arises.

This isn't new, though. Historically prohibitions on gay sex tend to focus almost exclusively on gay men. Gay women are in this as in much else largely invisible.

76 albusteve  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 11:16:01am

re: #67 jamesfirecat

Nope, just virtually all Republicans running for office...

nobody knows how people will vote...I sure would not predict, but at a slow creep in a couple of elections, the lunatics may hols all the cards..I blame the internet and the MSM

77 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 11:16:16am

re: #68 abolitionist

Good of you to say that. Now, if only they guy who made that crack about getting his scriptures out of the kindling bin would get a clue.

The scriptures are a book... not a person, not an idol, not an icon. It's paper with words on it. Tough.

78 Nekama  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 11:16:37am

re: #57 mr. hammer

C'mon Mr. C. Please stop smearing social conservatives and Christians. Don't you have anything else to write about? I am a Christian and a conservative, and I am active in local politics, and I've never even heard of this guy. I have never met anyone - including numerous conservative pastors with whom I am acquainted - who would want homosexuality to be criminalized. This guy sounds like a lunatic. To claim that he is influential among the entire GOP, and has the ear of leadership is absurd.

Exactly. Claiming that this loon is somehow representative of the Republican party, if that was what was intended, really is nonsense.

Fiscal conservatism and enforcing immigration laws are my issues. The Republican party has been horrible on these points, but unfortunately the Democratic party is worse.

There are lots of reasons why people remain in the GOP besides social conservatism.

79 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 11:17:30am

re: #78 Nekama

Exactly. Claiming that this loon is somehow representative of the Republican party, if that was what was intended, really is nonsense.

Fiscal conservatism and enforcing immigration laws are my issues. The Republican party has been horrible on these points, but unfortunately the Democratic party is worse.

There are lots of reasons why people remain in the GOP besides social conservatism.

Do a google search on Lou Engle and see how connected he is.

80 mr. hammer  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 11:17:32am

re: #74 marjoriemoon

I am doing no such thing. If Mr. C wants to report on lunatics, I am fine with that. There are plenty on both sides. I am taking issue with the claim that this guy is influential among "pretty much the entire GOP". I disagree.

81 ReamWorks SKG  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 11:18:13am

re: #75 iceweasel

There's no prohibition in the Torah about sex between women. However, the Oral Torah, which AFAIK, no non-Jewish religion that in includes the Hebrew Bible in its canon pays any attention to, does restrict it.

[Link: judaism.about.com...]

82 tnguitarist  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 11:18:27am

re: #78 Nekama

Exactly. Claiming that this loon is somehow representative of the Republican party, if that was what was intended, really is nonsense.

Fiscal conservatism and enforcing immigration laws are my issues. The Republican party has been horrible on these points, but unfortunately the Democratic party is worse.

There are lots of reasons why people remain in the GOP besides social conservatism.

They may not be representative of the Republican party, but right now they're representing them.

83 MandyManners  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 11:18:42am

re: #21 Charles

I'm sure you realize that Engle can quote numerous passages from the Bible to support his hatred of gay people.

Even the Devil can quote Scripture.

84 Nekama  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 11:18:44am

re: #67 jamesfirecat

Do you think that's the case in New Jersey?

85 McSpiff  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 11:18:47am

re: #78 Nekama

Exactly. Claiming that this loon is somehow representative of the Republican party, if that was what was intended, really is nonsense.

Fiscal conservatism and enforcing immigration laws are my issues. The Republican party has been horrible on these points, but unfortunately the Democratic party is worse.

There are lots of reasons why people remain in the GOP besides social conservatism.

Wait, what?

You say the republican party doesn't represent you on key issues, and then say Charles is unfairly smearing everyone like you in the party... that isn't represented. Fine, you're in a party that doesn't give a shit about you. The people it gives a shit about are a) nuts b) running the show.

That's somehow better?

86 What, me worry?  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 11:19:03am

re: #43 reuven

Well you're not the most popular fellow, but you're pretty right on here.

The other day someone said that as a Christian, she looks at the "old testament" as fables and Jesus did away with the law.

There are lots of Jews here and no one took that badly, but it's really an insult to Jews.

I chose not to be insulted, #1 because I like the person (hehe) and #2 I do understand that it's the basis of Christian theology.

87 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 11:19:03am

re: #78 Nekama

Exactly. Claiming that this loon is somehow representative of the Republican party, if that was what was intended, really is nonsense.

Fiscal conservatism and enforcing immigration laws are my issues. The Republican party has been horrible on these points, but unfortunately the Democratic party is worse.

There are lots of reasons why people remain in the GOP besides social conservatism.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

88 The Left  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 11:19:29am

re: #78 Nekama

Exactly. Claiming that this loon is somehow representative of the Republican party, if that was what was intended, really is nonsense.

Fiscal conservatism and enforcing immigration laws are my issues. The Republican party has been horrible on these points, but unfortunately the Democratic party is worse.

There are lots of reasons why people remain in the GOP besides social conservatism.

Bollocks. The GOP is quite deliberately making a play for the hardcore social conservatives. And they're infested with theocrats.

I know several people would like to pretend it isn't so, but it is.

89 ReamWorks SKG  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 11:20:53am

re: #86 marjoriemoon

Right! And I'm not going to jump on you for saying "Old Testament" which would be offensive to Jews. I believe in allowing people to use the language they're comfortable with.

90 Only The Lurker Knows  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 11:21:14am

re: #75 iceweasel

Granted. Many straight men are turned off by "Gay Sex" but have no problems with Lesbian sex, many find it erotic. When it comes down to a women giving a BJ, no problem, but if it's a man doing it, batten the hatches.

91 Kragar  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 11:22:39am

re: #90 Bubblehead II

Granted. Many straight men are turned off by "Gay Sex" but have no problems with Lesbian sex, many find it erotic. When it comes down to a women giving a BJ, no problem, but if it's a man doing it, batten the hatches.

Batten the hatches? Is that some kind of code? nudge nudge wink wink
/

92 What, me worry?  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 11:23:04am

re: #89 reuven

Right! And I'm not going to jump on you for saying "Old Testament" which would be offensive to Jews. I believe in allowing people to use the language they're comfortable with.

That's why I put in quotes. I'm Jewish, but I don't have a problem writing out certain words (obviously) and I'm totally ok with people who don't want to write them.

93 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 11:24:17am

re: #91 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Batten the hatches? Is that some kind of code? nudge nudge wink wink
/

I've heard "sharing the gospel" has similar connotations.
//

94 Only The Lurker Knows  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 11:24:35am

re: #91 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Prepare for high waves. Make sure all exterior hatches are secured.

95 The Left  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 11:24:40am

re: #90 Bubblehead II

Granted. Many straight men are turned off by "Gay Sex" but have no problems with Lesbian sex, many find it erotic. When it comes down to a women giving a BJ, no problem, but if it's a man doing it, batten the hatches.

My guess is that gay women for whatever reason aren't perceived to be as much of a threat to the social order.

Check out any wingnut site and it's filled with lurid descriptions of gay male sex. Heck, check out Charles's hate mail. They're awfully fascinated with the mechanics of the actions they claim to despise.

96 Digital Display  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 11:24:43am

re: #88 iceweasel

Bollocks. The GOP is quite deliberately making a play for the hardcore social conservatives. And they're infested with theocrats.

I know several people would like to pretend it isn't so, but it is.

Nice call ice...

97 wrenchwench  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 11:25:50am

re: #57 mr. hammer

C'mon Mr. C. Please stop smearing social conservatives and Christians.

Charles did not smear social conservatives and Christians. Lou Engle did.

98 Summer Seale  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 11:26:33am

To people in complete denial about the political power of Engle, here is a clip of him surrounded by our top Republican leaders, in Congress, praying against the passage of the health care bill, live on TV.

While some here may claim never to have heard of him, it doesn't mean that he isn't a powerful leader in the lobbying group of the party. This is obviously the case, and your ignorance of his name means you probably should read a little more before stating that he's some sort of nobody that Charles decided to pick on.

99 The Left  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 11:26:40am

re: #96 HoosierHoops

Nice call ice...


Thanks hoops!

I think the actual conservatives and Christians here ought to more outraged than anyone at the perversion of their party and their religion by the current GOP and the fundies, but that's just me.

100 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 11:26:50am

re: #78 Nekama

Claiming that this loon is somehow representative of the Republican party, if that was what was intended, really is nonsense.

And of course, I already told you very clearly that this was not my intent. But don't let that stop you from being offended.

101 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 11:27:43am

re: #92 marjoriemoon

That's why I put in quotes. I'm Jewish, but I don't have a problem writing out certain words (obviously) and I'm totally ok with people who don't want to write them.

That's why I don't use the phrase "old testament" at all, it's insulting at a number of levels. Hebrew and Greek Scriptures is more correct and scholarly way of referring to them anyway, which is the terms I use. I also, in respect to the Jewish Lizards, use the "G-d" form most of the time, unless using it in lower case.

So... I do think it's offensive to use the term "Chr-stain" since it is not a norm, and comes across as being snarky.

My opinion.

102 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 11:27:43am

There are plenty of links in the post if anyone wants to see how influential Lou Engle is, and you can also just Google his name.

Reflexive denial is no way to go through life.

103 Only The Lurker Knows  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 11:28:06am

re: #95 iceweasel

Yep. Strange isn't it?

104 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 11:28:53am

re: #69 mr. hammer

Tarring me and my fellow Chirstians with this bull crap spouted by some fringe lunatic is smearing.

Do you need to have someone call you a waahmbulance?

105 Nekama  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 11:29:01am

re: #100 Charles

And I asked you about Chris Christie in New Jersey.

Don't let that stop you from being wrong.

106 McSpiff  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 11:29:27am

re: #100 Charles

And of course, I already told you very clearly that this was not my intent. But don't let that stop you from being offended.

"Help, help I'm being oppressed!"

Some people need that feeling of being a "core group" up against the world. Its an incredibly difficult mentality to break through, because any and all evidence to the contrary of their positions is turned into an attack on them.

107 Kragar  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 11:30:09am

re: #94 Bubblehead II

Prepare for high waves. Make sure all exterior hatches are secured.

If the boat's a rockin...

108 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 11:30:26am

re: #32 Nekama

That wasn't apparent from this statement:

How much social conservatism did you see in Chris Christie's (NJ's Governor) platform?

The exception that proves the rule.

109 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 11:31:23am

It's kind of amazing, after everything that's gone on in the past year, that we actually have people here trying to argue that the GOP isn't dominated by social conservatives.

Wake up.

110 The Left  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 11:31:48am

re: #106 McSpiff

"Help, help I'm being oppressed!"

Some people need that feeling of being a "core group" up against the world. Its an incredibly difficult mentality to break through, because any and all evidence to the contrary of their positions is turned into an attack on them.

The religious right has spent decades fostering the notion that the poor Christians are being oppressed-- every time a WalMart hangs a Happy Holidays banner, or they aren't allowed to post the ten commandments on a courtroom or classroom wall.

They genuinely believe that the inability to impose their worldview on others is a form of persecuting them. Poor babies.

111 wrenchwench  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 11:32:00am
112 SpaceJesus  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 11:32:52am

re: #58 reuven

Well, it's confusing. Jews generally avoid spelling out a name of G-d in a any language. But we're also prohibited from acknowledging false gods (with a lower-case g) so we write J*sus or Chr-st.

Of course, my friend Chr-s just thinks I'm an asshole.


ah, I was always told the prohibition from spelling the name of god only applied when you write it in Hebrew, not English. Whatever. Doesn't matter.

113 Only The Lurker Knows  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 11:32:59am

Karma: 165


Nekama
"Where Islam Goes, Blood Flows"

(Logged in)
Registered since: Jun 15, 2004 at 4:35 pm
No. of comments posted: 1,391
No. of links posted: 0

Is this the same individual that penned the Nekama Troll Hammer essay?

If so, What a shame.

114 What, me worry?  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 11:33:17am

re: #101 Walter L. Newton

That's why I don't use the phrase "old testament" at all, it's insulting at a number of levels. Hebrew and Greek Scriptures is more correct and scholarly way of referring to them anyway, which is the terms I use. I also, in respect to the Jewish Lizards, use the "G-d" form most of the time, unless using it in lower case.

So... I do think it's offensive to use the term "Chr-stain" since it is not a norm, and comes across as being snarky.

My opinion.

Well it's my understanding that God should never be written anywhere were it could be thrown away or desecrated. So if on the computer which never technically gets thrown away, would it be ok to write out the word "God?"

I can see how "Chr-stian" would be insulting, but OTOH I understand it.

115 McSpiff  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 11:33:32am

re: #109 Charles

It's kind of amazing, after everything that's gone on the past year, that we actually trying to argue that the GOP isn't dominated by social conservatives.

Wake up.

You're arguing with someone that has the tagline of "How about rooting for America for a change you liberal scumbag" in their avatar and "Where Islam goes, blood flows". This guy isn't a light of sunshine in the Republican party, he's one of the shit stains we're talking about. He's just too dumb to notice.

116 ryannon  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 11:33:48am

re: #96 HoosierHoops

Nice call ice...

We need to expose these people for being the hypocrites they are.

We need a good purge around here.

117 The Left  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 11:33:52am

re: #83 MandyManners

Even the Devil can quote Scripture.

There is no Devil.

118 The Left  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 11:34:41am

re: #113 Bubblehead II

Karma: 165

Nekama
"Where Islam Goes, Blood Flows"

What. The. Fuck.

119 chouch  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 11:35:37am

Those are some.. ahem, straight priorities.

120 Nekama  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 11:35:52am

re: #108 Charles

The exception that proves the rule.

How about the 26th District in NJ, where pro-choice Rodney Frelinghuysen took over 70% of the vote against a no-choice tea-party leader?

121 Kragar  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 11:36:04am

re: #117 iceweasel

There is no Devil.

Just what he wants you to think.

Image: medium.jpg

122 Only The Lurker Knows  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 11:36:14am

re: #109 Charles

It's kind of amazing, after everything that's gone on in the past year, that we actually have people here trying to argue that the GOP isn't dominated by social conservatives.

Wake up.

The only problem with that is Mandy's "Clue Bat" keeps putting them back to sleep. :-)

123 McSpiff  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 11:37:13am

re: #120 Nekama

How about the 26th District in NJ, where pro-choice Rodney Frelinghuysen took over 70% of the vote against a no-choice tea-party leader?

Great, the NJ republican party is doing just fine. You wanna see the shit coming out of TX,MA,CA,OK,AK, etc?

124 chouch  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 11:37:33am

re: #115 McSpiff

You're arguing with someone that has the tagline of "How about rooting for America for a change you liberal scumbag" in their avatar and "Where Islam goes, blood flows". This guy isn't a light of sunshine in the Republican party, he's one of the shit stains we're talking about. He's just too dumb to notice.


I haven't been around here much lately, but one of the more popular people here used to be called Sharmuta, which is Arabic for whore.

I thought that was tacky. Anyhow, anyone in Minneapolis headed out the the Fuck Michele Bachmann concert?

125 Casual Talker  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 11:38:01am

re: #13 avanti

New Orleans judge blocks drilling ban, just in.

The judge is Marty Feldman, btw.

126 Digital Display  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 11:38:22am

re: #99 iceweasel

Thanks hoops!

I think the actual conservatives and Christians here ought to more outraged than anyone at the perversion of their party and their religion by the current GOP and the fundies, but that's just me.


I love God with all my heart..I have been one of the worst critic of Religions here, I will humiliate you if you are Right wing talking in tongues Fundy or a Bible thumping politician..
Religion hung the Son of Man on a cross..You get no pass..More people have died in the name of God than for any reason in our History...
You don't that doesn't disgust God? Leave God out of Politics..I'm sure He would appreciate it.

127 tnguitarist  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 11:38:46am

re: #120 Nekama

How about the 26th District in NJ, where pro-choice Rodney Frelinghuysen took over 70% of the vote against a no-choice tea-party leader?

I'm confused about the point you're trying to make. You realize that you're talking about New Jersey, right? Not exactly a conservative stronghold.

128 RogueOne  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 11:39:18am

re: #117 iceweasel

There is no Devil.

You've only been married the once?

129 Only The Lurker Knows  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 11:39:21am

re: #118 iceweasel

Yeah, but mine isn't better. Look at my avatar.

130 The Left  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 11:40:41am

re: #127 tnguitarist

I'm confused about the point you're trying to make. You realize that you're talking about New Jersey, right? Not exactly a conservative stronghold.

The 'point' appears to be that if he can find just one GOP candidate that isn't a total so-con nutbar and fundie, then....
???
PROFIT!

No, seriously, he's just in denial over the deathgrip the socons and the religious right have on the GOP right now.

131 chouch  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 11:41:19am

So can we send Michele Bachmann to another state if she loses her reelection bid? How long does that process take? A year of residency?

132 Nekama  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 11:41:29am

re: #127 tnguitarist

I'm confused about the point you're trying to make. You realize that you're talking about New Jersey, right? Not exactly a conservative stronghold.

Of course I do. Which is why I pointed out that "social conservative wing of the GOP (which is pretty much the entire GOP)" is nonsense.

133 The Left  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 11:42:00am

re: #129 Bubblehead II

Yeah, but mine isn't better. Look at my avatar.

I think there's a big difference and I don't see anything objectionable about yours.

134 tnguitarist  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 11:43:35am

re: #132 Nekama

Of course I do. Which is why I pointed out that "social conservative wing of the GOP (which is pretty much the entire GOP)" is nonsense.

If that same person gets elected here in the South, then you'll have a point.

135 chouch  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 11:43:41am

Can I get in trouble for celebrating the fact that this is my 50th comment? I hope not.

Yay for me being able to hit buttons now!

136 Nekama  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 11:43:52am

re: #130 iceweasel

That's nonsense too. There are lots of candidates here who don't subscribe to the social conservative agenda. And claiming that we're virtually all the same is not only false, but it makes our job of pushing back that much tougher.

137 SpaceJesus  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 11:44:07am

my old crazy conservative mormon cousin who lives in the boondocks of arizona and sends me conservative chain emails wants to be my friend on facebook now. how do i handle this shit

138 ryannon  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 11:45:11am

re: #137 SpaceJesus

my old crazy conservative mormon cousin who lives in the boondocks of arizona and sends me conservative chain emails wants to be my friend on facebook now. how do i handle this shit

A plague of locusts should do it.

139 tnguitarist  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 11:45:16am

re: #137 SpaceJesus

my old crazy conservative mormon cousin who lives in the boondocks of arizona and sends me conservative chain emails wants to be my friend on facebook now. how do i handle this shit

Do it. Having to read your posts will drive him/her crazy.

140 The Left  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 11:45:30am

re: #136 Nekama

That's nonsense too. There are lots of candidates here who don't subscribe to the social conservative agenda. And claiming that we're virtually all the same is not only false, but it makes our job of pushing back that much tougher.

How can you possibly 'push back' when you are in denial about the problem?

141 Summer Seale  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 11:45:31am

Ok seriously, some people here who are arguing that the Republican party isn't in the iron grip of religious madmen are either idiots or liars. If the former, please get educated. If the latter, your propaganda is really stupid and ridiculously false.

Here is a map of Republican voting districts in the last election:

Image: 2008_Election_Map.jpg

Here is a map of religious districts in America:

Image: adherents.gif

Please tell me that these visual aids are not too confusing.

142 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 11:45:46am

re: #132 Nekama

Of course I do. Which is why I pointed out that "social conservative wing of the GOP (which is pretty much the entire GOP)" is nonsense.

"which is pretty much the entire GOP" is not "which is the entire GOP." You can't see the difference?

143 ArchangelMichael  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 11:45:55am

re: #137 SpaceJesus

my old crazy conservative mormon cousin who lives in the boondocks of arizona and sends me conservative chain emails wants to be my friend on facebook now. how do i handle this shit

"Report/Block this Person"

/

144 lostlakehiker  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 11:46:08am

re: #34 Walter L. Newton

OT -

NEW ORLEANS (AP) - A federal judge in New Orleans has blocked a six-month moratorium on new deepwater drilling projects that was imposed in response to the massive Gulf oil spill.
Several companies that ferry people and supplies and provide other services to offshore drilling rigs had asked U.S. District Judge Martin Feldman in New Orleans to overturn the moratorium.

President Barack Obama's administration has halted the approval of any new permits for deepwater drilling and suspended drilling at 33 exploratory wells in the Gulf.

Feldman says in his ruling that the Interior Department failed to provide adequate reasoning for the moratorium. He says it seems to assume that because one rig failed, all companies and rigs doing deepwater drilling pose an imminent danger.


This might be for the best. Now, the administration will have to give some reason beyond just "well, BP blew it, and when you've seen one oil company you've seen them all they all look the same to me". This is "industrial profiling" and as with other categories of lumping everybody into groups and punishing the group, it's morally and practically suspect.

If there are real grounds to expect that the rest of these companies are as reckless and clueless as BP and therefore also likely to give us a great big blowout if permitted to drill, or if prudence doesn't matter and deep drilling is beyond human wit and skill, the administration should win in court. If not, it should not.

He can't just impose these bans because it might help in November or something. There are limits to presidential authority.

145 Kragar  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 11:46:08am

re: #132 Nekama

Of course I do. Which is why I pointed out that "social conservative wing of the GOP (which is pretty much the entire GOP)" is nonsense.

So, out of dozens of examples where the Socon Agenda has taken root in the GOP, including the many of its top figures and leaders, 1 state where most GOP politicians are considered RINOs by the wingnuts is the only thing that prevents the GOP from being "pretty much" controlled by Socons?

146 webevintage  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 11:46:12am

re: #137 SpaceJesus

my old crazy conservative mormon cousin who lives in the boondocks of arizona and sends me conservative chain emails wants to be my friend on facebook now. how do i handle this shit

Pretend like you never got the friend thing.
I have a number of people who are sitting there who want to be friends that I just ignore. Or friend them and put them on ignore so you can't read the crap they spew.

147 Daniel Ballard  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 11:46:30am

re: #99 iceweasel

Thanks hoops!

I think the actual conservatives and Christians here ought to more outraged than anyone at the perversion of their party and their religion by the current GOP and the fundies, but that's just me.


Yes, Thanks Ice-and I'd like to add this
The GOP circa 2009 The Party Of The "No"
The GOP circa 2010 The Party Of The Noose

148 Kragar  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 11:46:44am

re: #137 SpaceJesus

my old crazy conservative mormon cousin who lives in the boondocks of arizona and sends me conservative chain emails wants to be my friend on facebook now. how do i handle this shit

Ignore it.

149 SpaceJesus  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 11:46:58am

re: #139 tnguitarist

Do it. Having to read your posts will drive him/her crazy.


good point. my stance on the arizona immigration law might give him a heart attack though, he is 75 after all.

150 ReamWorks SKG  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 11:47:18am

re: #105 Nekama

Then there's the Corpus Chr-stie Jewish Center, in Texas....

151 RogueOne  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 11:47:19am

Is the site lagging for everyone or just me?

152 tnguitarist  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 11:47:42am

re: #151 RogueOne

Is the site lagging for everyone or just me?

I'm good here.

153 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 11:47:59am

What make you all of this:

Elder Nelson (Apostle of Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints) (Church News: Week Ending June 19, 2010 said the following:

Boston Hotel, Elder Nelson taught that the battle with the adversary is also a struggle between conflicting religious systems of belief: theistic, or godly forces, and atheistic, ungodly or satanic forces.
In front of more than 400 young adults assembled at the Sheraton
"Theistic forces, be they Islamic, Jewish, Catholic, Protestant or Mormon, teach that there is an absolute right and wrong," he said,. "Theistic forces have an ethic that reveres the righteous judgements of a loving God and obeys civil and divine law voluntarily.
"As a God-fearing person, you know that even if the police don't catch you if you were to steal, murder or commit adultery, these acts are wrong and God will ultimately hold you accountable. You know, just as your ancestors knew, that the consequences for not playing by the rules are not only temporal, but also eternal."
The call for complete separation of church and state, Elder Nelson argued, would effectively destroy any theistic culture while giving atheistic forces free reign.
"If that happens", Elder Nelson warned, "the theisitic and noble concept of freedom of religion could be twisted and turned to become an atheistic freedom from religion. Such an unbalanced policy could sweep out the theistic forces that have been responsible for our society's success, and leave the field wide open to atheistic ideology, secularism and huge losses for each of us."

(there is more...I typed this from the article the paper, I'll try to find the online version to get rest)

What is your take on this?

154 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 11:48:33am

re: #144 lostlakehiker

This might be for the best. Now, the administration will have to give some reason beyond just "well, BP blew it, and when you've seen one oil company you've seen them all they all look the same to me". This is "industrial profiling" and as with other categories of lumping everybody into groups and punishing the group, it's morally and practically suspect.

If there are real grounds to expect that the rest of these companies are as reckless and clueless as BP and therefore also likely to give us a great big blowout if permitted to drill, or if prudence doesn't matter and deep drilling is beyond human wit and skill, the administration should win in court. If not, it should not.

He can't just impose these bans because it might help in November or something. There are limits to presidential authority.

I can't believe you are suggesting that Obama shouldn't have done this?

155 ReamWorks SKG  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 11:48:48am
156 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 11:50:57am

re: #153 Oh no...Sand People!

What make you all of this:

Elder Nelson (Apostle of Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints) (Church News: Week Ending June 19, 2010 said the following:

(there is more...I typed this from the article the paper, I'll try to find the online version to get rest)

What is your take on this?

Aggghhhh.... activist Mormons... scary... You know, this kind of thought and bullshit has been around for hundreds of years... and we are not eating communion wafers for breakfast yet... are we?

157 Mr. Hammer  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 11:50:59am

re: #141 Summer

Ok seriously, some people here who are arguing that the Republican party isn't in the iron grip of religious madmen are either idiots or liars. If the former, please get educated. If the latter, your propaganda is really stupid and ridiculously false.

Here is a map of Republican voting districts in the last election:

Image: 2008_Election_Map.jpg

Here is a map of religious districts in America:

Image: adherents.gif

Please tell me that these visual aids are not too confusing.

I think this demonstrates that "Religious Adherents" tend to vote R. I don't think it demonstrates anything regarding religious madmen. That is, of course unless you believe that religious adherents = religious madmen.

158 The Left  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 11:51:10am

re: #153 Oh no...Sand People!

1. That freedom of religion isn't a 'noble theistic concept'-- it is a secular concept that has always included freedom FROM religion as well.

2. That atheists, just like people who believe in any god or gods, also have moral codes they live by, even without the threat of a divine Big Brother watching us.

In short, I think the points made are crap.

159 McSpiff  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 11:51:59am

re: #155 reuven

[Link: www.jcccorpuschristi.org...]

Not going to censor the link? Here, let me: [Link: preview.tinyurl.com...]

160 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 11:52:07am

Here is the full link.

[Link: www.ldschurchnews.com...]

161 Nekama  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 11:52:10am

re: #140 iceweasel

How can you possibly 'push back' when you are in denial about the problem?

NJ voters are solving the "problem".

As I wrote earlier, the fiscal conservatives and those who want immigration laws enforced as our primary issues -and that's what the Tea Party people are mostly about here - have to choose between bad and worse.

We're trying to make things better in the Republican party and locally we are succeeding. But tarring us all with the SoCon brush just makes our job tougher.

162 Summer Seale  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 11:52:11am

re: #157 Mr. Hammer

I think this demonstrates that "Religious Adherents" tend to vote R. I don't think it demonstrates anything regarding religious madmen. That is, of course unless you believe that religious adherents = religious madmen.

I guess it also depends on what your definition of the word "is" is.

163 The Left  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 11:52:18am

re: #157 Mr. Hammer

I think this demonstrates that "Religious Adherents" tend to vote R.

No, they don't.

164 webevintage  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 11:52:36am

I am in a long back and forth with a person on another blog who keeps telling me that the 20 billion and the 100 million from BP will not be paid out to oil workers affected by the moritorium.
He keeps saying it's all because of a Jamie Gorelick?
His last post to mine asking him for proof is this:
"I tell you what. When you find something that says that the oil workers are getting money from the fund then please share it with us and I will agree with you."

Can anyone help me either way?

165 Kragar  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 11:52:38am

Lebanon to UN: Israel will suffer consequences if our ships are attacked

The Lebanese foreign ministry on Tuesday announced that Israel would suffer the consequences for any attack against Lebanese ships heading for Gaza.

In a letter to the United Nations, Lebanese Foreign Minister Ali Ashami wrote that “Israel will be held fully responsible for any attack on Lebanon.”

166 prairiefire  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 11:53:23am

re: #86 marjoriemoon

Thank you, Marjorie.

167 McSpiff  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 11:53:29am

re: #161 Nekama

NJ voters are solving the "problem".

As I wrote earlier, the fiscal conservatives and those who want immigration laws enforced as our primary issues -and that's what the Tea Party people are mostly about here - have to choose between bad and worse.

We're trying to make things better in the Republican party and locally we are succeeding. But tarring us all with the SoCon brush just makes our job tougher.

What role, if any, do you think SoCons are playing in any aspect of the GOP, nationwide?

168 brownbagj  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 11:53:32am

What does someone like me do? Who can I vote for? I am liberal on social issues and conservative on fiscal issues.

It seems neither party gives a damn about fiscal policy or limited government.

I am really at a loss of what to do. And this is coming from a white, near middle aged Christian who believes in letting others live the live they choose - just don't ask me to subsidize it.

169 tnguitarist  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 11:53:43am

re: #161 Nekama

Explain how it makes your jog tougher. Does it make you vote differently?

170 CuriousLurker  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 11:54:02am

re: #136 Nekama

There are lots of candidates here who don't subscribe to the social conservative agenda. And claiming that we're virtually all the same is not only false, but it makes our job of pushing back that much tougher.

Yet based on the quote in your profile—"Where Islam Goes, Blood Flows"—I'm fairly certain that you would strongly disagree with me if I were to say the following:

There are lots of candidates here Muslims who don't subscribe to the social conservative radical Islamist agenda. And claiming that we're virtually all the same is not only false, but it makes our job of pushing back that much tougher.

Please correct me if I'm wrong.

171 Mr. Hammer  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 11:54:35am

re: #163 iceweasel

No, they don't.

I agree. They don't. But I think that was Summer's point in posting the maps.

172 reine.de.tout  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 11:54:41am

re: #164 webevintage

I am in a long back and forth with a person on another blog who keeps telling me that the 20 billion and the 100 million from BP will not be paid out to oil workers affected by the moritorium.
He keeps saying it's all because of a Jamie Gorelick?
His last post to mine asking him for proof is this:
"I tell you what. When you find something that says that the oil workers are getting money from the fund then please share it with us and I will agree with you."

Can anyone help me either way?

the guy is an idiot.
sheesh.
Ask him for proof that the money is being held up by Jamie Gorelick.

173 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 11:54:48am

re: #168 brownbagj

What does someone like me do? Who can I vote for? I am liberal on social issues and conservative on fiscal issues.

It seems neither party gives a damn about fiscal policy or limited government.

I am really at a loss of what to do. And this is coming from a white, near middle aged Christian who believes in letting others live the live they choose - just don't ask me to subsidize it.

In a nutshell: You are F'd. Along with me.

174 Only The Lurker Knows  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 11:55:02am

re: #133 iceweasel

I think there's a big difference and I don't see anything objectionable about yours.

You had a problem with Mandy's Avatar pissing on the Islamic "God". But you don't have a problem with mine launching a Nuke against a unidentified target. Should I be more specific? Charles...... Reported

175 Kragar  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 11:55:07am

re: #168 brownbagj

What does someone like me do? Who can I vote for? I am liberal on social issues and conservative on fiscal issues.

It seems neither party gives a damn about fiscal policy or limited government.

I am really at a loss of what to do. And this is coming from a white, near middle aged Christian who believes in letting others live the live they choose - just don't ask me to subsidize it.

Don't support either party. Pick candidates you can support and support them individually, from either side of the fence.

176 The Left  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 11:55:36am

re: #170 CuriousLurker

Yet based on the quote in your profile—"Where Islam Goes, Blood Flows"—I'm fairly certain that you would strongly disagree with me if I were to say the following:

There are lots of candidates here Muslims who don't subscribe to the social conservative radical Islamist agenda. And claiming that we're virtually all the same is not only false, but it makes our job of pushing back that much tougher.

Please correct me if I'm wrong.

I'd love to see an answer to that myself.

177 RogueOne  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 11:56:08am

re: #172 reine.de.tout

the guy is an idiot.
sheesh.
Ask him for proof that the money is being held up by Jamie Gorelick.

Gorelick was advising BP and BP is denying they should have to pay for damages to those laid-off due to the moratorium.

178 lostlakehiker  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 11:56:09am

re: #132 Nekama

Of course I do. Which is why I pointed out that "social conservative wing of the GOP (which is pretty much the entire GOP)" is nonsense.

Downding city for a careful, factual observation? So long as a governor of a fairly important state is not marching with the mullah wing of the GOP, conflating the evolution-denying, gay-hating wing of the party with the god-believing, gay-marriage opposed wing of the party, and from there, with the social-issues-are-secondary, what about taxes and deficits wing of the party, is a stretch.

Christie probably finds it prudent to stick to matters of finance and management and refrain from getting into the thicket of these incendiary social values topics. A perfect philosopher-king GOP leader would rebuke his party and correct it. But a governor isn't in the job of being philosopher king. If he can reduce crime, keep the economy of his state from tanking, keep taxes within reason, and see to the education of the young, he's done his job. It's the motto of the House of Orange: I maintain.

179 Nimed  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 11:56:14am

re: #118 iceweasel

What. The. Fuck.

Just think about the reaction you would get from the sentences "Where Christianity goes, blood flows" or "Where Judaism goes, blood flows".

Maybe we should follow ask CuriousLurker or other Muslims in LGF if they are irresistibly compelled to spill blood wherever they go.

180 reine.de.tout  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 11:56:35am

re: #172 reine.de.tout

the guy is an idiot.
sheesh.
Ask him for proof that the money is being held up by Jamie Gorelick.

Wait, reread your post and see that you already asked that.
Hold on

181 Baier  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 11:56:39am

Eat the poo poo like ice cream.

Dance remix of a Ugandan minister talking about the activities of gay men.

182 webevintage  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 11:56:55am

re: #172 reine.de.tout

the guy is an idiot.
sheesh.
Ask him for proof that the money is being held up by Jamie Gorelick.

I did, that was his response.
I am pretty sure this is a combination of ODS and some crazy story from someone like Malkin or Freepers or Hot Air.

183 Nekama  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 11:58:01am

re: #170 CuriousLurker

No, you are absolutely right. The phrase has to do with Islamic majority countries where - and I'm sure you already know - minorities aren't always treated with, uh, tenderness.

BBL. Damn it's great to be among friends again!

184 The Left  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 11:58:02am

re: #174 Bubblehead II

You had a problem with Mandy's Avatar pissing on the Islamic "God". But you don't have a problem with mine launching a Nuke against a unidentified target. Should I be more specific? Charles... Reported

i didn't really look at your image. Your motto or whatever was Peace through Superior Firepower, which I take to be a standard expression of the notion of deterrence through building up defense.
I may not agree with it, but that wouldn't make it offensive.

Unlike, say, someone slagging off all liberals, or all muslims, or all Arabic speakers.

Report away, my red white and blue friend. :)

185 Mr. Crankypants  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 11:58:17am

Did you guys see that the guy who hosted the birther infomercial has offered Rachel Maddow 10 g to present the long form?

I swear if they didn't exist someone would have to make them up.

186 webevintage  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 11:58:29am

re: #177 RogueOne

Gorelick was advising BP and BP is denying they should have to pay for damages to those laid-off due to the moratorium.

Except I've read that Kenneth Feinberg will ultimately makes the decisions on who gets paid.

187 tnguitarist  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 11:58:35am

re: #161 Nekama

Look at it in this light: If Christie were to run for national office in the Republican party, do you think he would hold the same principles?

188 Nimed  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 11:58:36am

re: #170 CuriousLurker

re: #176 iceweasel

I should have checked for new comments. You two rock. :)

189 What, me worry?  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 11:59:41am

re: #149 SpaceJesus

good point. my stance on the arizona immigration law might give him a heart attack though, he is 75 after all.

This is an elderly cousin? Friend him. Blood's thicker than water. We all have crazy relatives.

Ignore his rants and save your ire for LGF :)

190 RogueOne  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 12:00:09pm

re: #182 webevintage

It's absolutely a stretch but does contain a bit of truth. The feds argument is the moratorium is needed due to the spill, BP disagrees. Gorelick is an advisor for BP.

[Link: voices.washingtonpost.com...]

[Link: www.politico.com...]

191 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 12:00:31pm

re: #158 iceweasel

1. That freedom of religion isn't a 'noble theistic concept'-- it is a secular concept that has always included freedom FROM religion as well.

2. That atheists, just like people who believe in any god or gods, also have moral codes they live by, even without the threat of a divine Big Brother watching us.

In short, I think the points made are crap.

In my opinion, I am wrong a lot, but the concept of separation of church and state already allows for someone to not believe or to believe however they want and this notion of "freedom FROM religion" is a scare tactic and not a legitimate point.

Elder Nelson further explained how atheistic principles have crept into debates on sensitive moral issues, such as same-gender marriage.

"If civil law were altered to recognize so-called 'same-gender' marriage, you as believers in God and as keepers of His commandments would be regarded as exceptions to the rule," Elder Nelson said. "Your conscientious convictions would be regarded as discriminatory.

"For example, if you were a Christian schoolteacher, you could be charged with bigotry for upholding the Lord's law of chastity. In truth, dear brothers and sisters, if you lose marriage, you also lose freedom of religion. Atheistic moral bedlam and religious repression go hand in hand."

Why should a schooteacher be allowed to teach chastity in school? Why can't both sides focus on reading writing and arithmetic?

I don't see the 'lose marriage, you also lose freedom of religion'. I just don't. I don't see how allowing someone the right to marry would infringe on anyone else's personal opportunity to worship how, where, or what they may.

192 CuriousLurker  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 12:00:32pm

re: #179 Nimed

Maybe we should follow ask CuriousLurker or other Muslims in LGF if they are irresistibly compelled to spill blood wherever they go.

Heh, well I do admit to waging a jihad against a very annoying infidel fly that was buzzing around my house all day yesterday. So, yeah, I have to admit there was a little blood spilled by me recently.

193 Only The Lurker Knows  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 12:01:26pm

re: #184 iceweasel

i didn't really look at your image. Your motto or whatever was Peace through Superior Firepower, which I take to be a standard expression of the notion of deterrence through building up defense.
I may not agree with it, but that wouldn't make it offensive.

Unlike, say, someone slagging off all liberals, or all muslims, or all Arabic speakers.

Report away, my red white and blue friend. :)

Then educate me. I am willing to learn, believe it or not... Yea it's a rip off.

194 reine.de.tout  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 12:02:19pm

re: #182 webevintage

I did, that was his response.
I am pretty sure this is a combination of ODS and some crazy story from someone like Malkin or Freepers or Hot Air.

For some reason i can't copy links.
google bp claims paid, there are a couple of articles.

195 CuriousLurker  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 12:02:22pm

re: #183 Nekama

No, you are absolutely right. The phrase has to do with Islamic majority countries where - and I'm sure you already know - minorities aren't always treated with, uh, tenderness.

Interesting, because I didn't see the distinction in the quote.

196 lostlakehiker  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 12:03:00pm

re: #145 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

So, out of dozens of examples where the Socon Agenda has taken root in the GOP, including the many of its top figures and leaders, 1 state where most GOP politicians are considered RINOs by the wingnuts is the only thing that prevents the GOP from being "pretty much" controlled by Socons?

There's a big difference between "pretty much controlled by", and "pretty much the entirety of". The Congress right now is pretty much controlled by the Democrats, but it is not "pretty much entirely Dem." The GOP is in a similar case. There is a real and meaningful dissenting wing of the party that sees things differently, doesn't want the teaching of evolution banned, etc. But this wing at present lacks the power to call the shots. The best it can manage is to play the role of loyal opposition and try to steer the party away from the worst mistakes the current prevailing trend would make if no voice spoke against them. And might make despite that dissent.

We'll see. The GOP did not nominate a "theocon" for the presidency last time. Until it does, and while major GOP offices remain in with members of this internal opposition, it's a reach to claim that the party is "pretty much entirely" made up of theocons.

197 brownbagj  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 12:03:54pm

re: #175 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Don't support either party. Pick candidates you can support and support them individually, from either side of the fence.

You know, I do try that, but once they get in, they almost always vote the way of the "party." It seems power corrupts, and once in office all bets are off.

I just don't know how to change this direction. And by direction I do not mean President Obama, I mean the whole political class (including the prez and dems and repubs) who either try to control our lives via taxes or moral legislation.

198 RogueOne  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 12:04:31pm

re: #194 reine.de.tout

For some reason i can't copy links.
google bp claims paid, there are a couple of articles.

Here's one:
[Link: articles.latimes.com...]


At Obama's insistence, the British oil company will not control the fund or decide who gets reimbursed for losses. A neutral party, Kenneth Feinberg — who played a similar role after the Sept. 11 attacks, overseeing the fund set up to compensate victims — will run the payment system. If Feinberg rejects a claim, claimants will have the right to appeal to a three-person panel.

In addition, BP earmarked $100 million to compensate oil workers who've lost their jobs as a result of the moratorium on deep-water drilling the government has declared since the accident. To date, the company said it has spent $1.75 billion on containing the spill and on cleanup.

199 What, me worry?  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 12:04:44pm

re: #187 tnguitarist

Look at it in this light: If Christie were to run for national office in the Republican party, do you think he would hold the same principles?

I'll go further, would he even win?

The GOP lunatic fringe has won many votes around the country, but my guess is that they won't ultimately become Senators or Governors (least I'm hoping).

200 McSpiff  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 12:05:21pm

re: #193 Bubblehead II

Then educate me. I am willing to learn, believe it or not... Yea it's a rip off.

Just to make sure I'm clear, you're wondering why someone would be offended by an avatar calling all liberals un-american or pissing on the name allah, but not by an image of an SLBM being fired?

201 webevintage  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 12:05:56pm

Thanks guys!
I knew I could get going here.

202 reine.de.tout  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 12:06:08pm

re: #186 webevintage

Except I've read that Kenneth Feinberg will ultimately makes the decisions on who gets paid.

Yes, he will be , but IMO, $20 billion will not be enough to fully compensate those who lose jobs/businesses, and that's just how it is.

203 The Left  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 12:06:22pm

re: #195 CuriousLurker

Interesting, because I didn't see the distinction in the quote.

So let's recap:
Someone accuses Charles of making a statement about 'every GOP voter' when he very clearly isn't.
That same someone claims he's not really talking about all of Islam or all liberals, even though that's exactly what his own quote(s) show.

'Interesting' is one word for it, I guess.

204 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 12:07:39pm

Internets have been broken all day... just fixed them. but I did get to re-arrange my work car and pressure wash my frickin' gigantic (40'x20') deck. Woo hoo!

Wife won't yell at me when I get home!

What we fighting about?

205 Kragar  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 12:08:30pm

re: #204 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Internets have been broken all day... just fixed them. but I did get to re-arrange my work car and pressure wash my frickin' gigantic (40'x20') deck. Woo hoo!

Wife won't yell at me when I get home!

What we fighting about?

Definitions of "pretty much"

206 RogueOne  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 12:08:45pm

We were talking immigration earlier:

[Link: www.detnews.com...]

The great immigration deception


Arizona's controversial immigration law and Democratic responses to it have ignited a fierce political fight that will only intensify as the law goes into effect soon. As in all wars, the first casualty is truth.

Republicans have been criticized for their support of the bill, SB 1070, but it is now commonly believed that President Barack Obama supports expanding legal immigration. Nothing could be further from the truth.

Immigration restrictionists are perpetuating the myth that Obama wants to flood America with foreigners. Central to this claim is the charge that he's intent on granting amnesty to the roughly 10.8 million illegal immigrants in the United States. But in fact Barack Obama is the most anti-immigrant president since Eisenhower.

It gets rougher from there.

207 Summer Seale  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 12:08:52pm

re: #205 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Definitions of "pretty much"

And "is".

208 CuriousLurker  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 12:10:09pm

re: #174 Bubblehead II

You had a problem with Mandy's Avatar pissing on the Islamic "God". But you don't have a problem with mine launching a Nuke against a unidentified target. Should I be more specific? Charles... Reported

Just to clarify, the Arabic word Allah, which is what Mandy's avatar was pissing on, doesn't refer to the "Islamic God". It refers to God period, the same one that the Christians & Jews believe in. Christian Arabs use the same word, both in their speech and in their Bibles.

IIRC, that's why Charles took issue with it.

209 webevintage  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 12:11:12pm

re: #202 reine.de.tout

Yes, he will be , but IMO, $20 billion will not be enough to fully compensate those who lose jobs/businesses, and that's just how it is.

Well it is an open amount so....

210 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 12:11:23pm

re: #208 CuriousLurker

And it's been changed for months. Does this place have a windshield, or just a rear view mirror?

211 Only The Lurker Knows  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 12:11:42pm

re: #200 McSpiff

Ummmm, What could be more offensive than having a Nuke launched towards you?

// Maybe a harshly worded letter from the U.N.

212 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 12:12:13pm

re: #211 Bubblehead II

I thought your sub had a huge boner.

213 lawhawk  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 12:12:22pm

re: #165 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

That's Hizbullah pulling the strings again. Lebanon isn't in a position to do anything unless Hizbullah starts firing off rockets at Israel (which they shouldn't have in the first place if UNIFIL did its job and disarmed the terrorist group).

214 RogueOne  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 12:12:57pm

re: #211 Bubblehead II

Ummm, What could be more offensive than having a Nuke launched towards you?

// Maybe a harshly worded letter from the U.N.

Or a cease-and-desist letter from the National Pork Board:

[Link: www.boingboing.net...]

Unicorns: The other white meat.

215 The Left  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 12:13:32pm

re: #208 CuriousLurker

Just to clarify, the Arabic word Allah, which is what Mandy's avatar was pissing on, doesn't refer to the "Islamic God". It refers to God period, the same one that the Christians & Jews believe in. Christian Arabs use the same word, both in their speech and in their Bibles.

IIRC, that's why Charles took issue with it.

It would have been offensive even if there were two words. The fact that it's the same word just made the hypocrisy and idiocy more apparent.

216 What, me worry?  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 12:13:36pm

re: #166 prairiefire

Thank you, Marjorie.

I missed this...

kiss kiss hug hug :)

217 The Left  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 12:14:56pm

re: #210 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

And it's been changed for months. Does this place have a windshield, or just a rear view mirror?

Ask the person who brought it up.
Hint: that wasn't CL.

Someone is offended that I'm not offended by his avatar. Boohoo.

218 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 12:15:52pm

re: #217 iceweasel

It just won't seem to die. The Eternal Avatar, I guess.

219 Digital Display  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 12:16:28pm

re: #217 iceweasel

Ask the person who brought it up.
Hint: that wasn't CL.

Someone is offended that I'm not offended by his avatar. Boohoo.

Tell me Jimmah is watching the World Cup today..
I hope Greece goes down

220 McSpiff  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 12:16:57pm

re: #211 Bubblehead II

Ummm, What could be more offensive than having a Nuke launched towards you?

// Maybe a harshly worded letter from the U.N.

Alright, I'll spell this out as clearly as I can...

Saying "Liberals hate America", or "pissing on the name of god" or "Where islam goes blood flows" is clearly targeted towards someone. Its directed, and its hostile.

A generic submarine firing an SLBM isn't targeted towards anyone. It has no context, it names no names.

Now, if you went into photoshop and wrote "USS AMERICA, FUCK YEAH" on the side, and threw in a picture of Mecca or Paris with a mushroom cloud over it, you'd be targeting someone and it would be offense.

an SLBM is just a tool. For all we know, that thing is gonna cruise over the pacific with a dummy warhead, just looking awesome and hurting no one.

"Liberals hate America" is a bigoted, offensive attack. See the difference?

221 CuriousLurker  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 12:17:00pm

re: #210 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

And it's been changed for months. Does this place have a windshield, or just a rear view mirror?

I was simply clarifying was it was deemed offensive as Bubblehead was the one who referenced it. Is that a problem?

222 The Left  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 12:17:29pm

re: #219 HoosierHoops

Tell me Jimmah is watching the World Cup today..
I hope Greece goes down

Jimmah is at the hospital with some scary reaction to mosquito bites. :(
He isn't back yet so I don't know what's going on.

223 lostlakehiker  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 12:18:42pm

re: #154 Walter L. Newton

I can't believe you are suggesting that Obama shouldn't have done this?

One month, fine. Get a handle on just how dangerous deep drilling is, or isn't. But 6 months? Or years? On what grounds? On what authority? Just because he says so?

BP is in a category of its own when it comes to safety records. On what grounds, and with what authority, does the president ban all deep drilling, even by companies that are taking far more precautions and have far better safety records? (Which would be, well, all of them, compared to BP.)

224 Nimed  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 12:19:05pm

re: #192 CuriousLurker

Heh, well I do admit to waging a jihad against a very annoying infidel fly that was buzzing around my house all day yesterday. So, yeah, I have to admit there was a little blood spilled by me recently.

Funny, I've killed a bunch of mosquitos myself yesterday. But I've heard, and perhaps you can clarify this points, that whenever a Muslim kills a fly, s/he always does it in the name of Islam. And that, of course, makes all the difference in the world to the fly.
///

225 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 12:22:04pm

re: #221 CuriousLurker

Nah. I was thinking during the time (way back when) that even if it changed, it would remain a topic of conversation. That's all.

Just noodlin' over here.

226 RogueOne  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 12:25:16pm

re: #222 iceweasel

Jimmah is at the hospital with some scary reaction to mosquito bites. :(
He isn't back yet so I don't know what's going on.

I saw him say something about that this morning. I thought he was joking. You in NY?

227 What, me worry?  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 12:26:08pm

re: #222 iceweasel

Jimmah is at the hospital with some scary reaction to mosquito bites. :(
He isn't back yet so I don't know what's going on.

Oh dear. How awful! Those things can get nasty if infected.

228 CuriousLurker  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 12:26:26pm

re: #224 Nimed

Funny, I've killed a bunch of mosquitos myself yesterday. But I've heard, and perhaps you can clarify this points, that whenever a Muslim kills a fly, s/he always does it in the name of Islam. And that, of course, makes all the difference in the world to the fly.
///

Y'know, I chased it around with this big-ass scimitar screaming Allahu Akabar the whole time, but it didn't seem the least concerned. That is, until I snuck up on it quietly and sqooshed it with a paper towel.

229 The Left  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 12:27:05pm

re: #226 RogueOne

I saw him say something about that this morning. I thought he was joking. You in NY?

Yep.
No, he wasn't joking. He's had some kind of scary reaction to mosquito bites here. He's back in Scotland as of yesterday and at the hospital today.

230 webevintage  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 12:27:12pm

re: #222 iceweasel

Jimmah is at the hospital with some scary reaction to mosquito bites. :(
He isn't back yet so I don't know what's going on.

Oh no.
Hope he is ok...

231 Baier  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 12:27:16pm

re: #228 CuriousLurker

Y'know, I chased it around with this big-ass scimitar screaming Allahu Akabar the whole time, but it didn't seem the least concerned. That is, until I snuck up on it quietly and sqooshed it with a paper towel.

Try strapping a few bug bombs to your chest.

232 CuriousLurker  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 12:27:19pm

re: #225 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Nah. I was thinking during the time (way back when) that even if it changed, it would remain a topic of conversation. That's all.

Just noodlin' over here.

Gotcha. ;)

233 reine.de.tout  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 12:27:19pm

re: #209 webevintage

Well it is an open amount so...

Oh, understand I'm not complaining.
I can't figure out what your nemesis on that other blog was talking about.

234 CuriousLurker  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 12:27:46pm

re: #231 Baier

Try strapping a few bug bombs to your chest.

ROFLOL!

235 What, me worry?  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 12:28:37pm

re: #228 CuriousLurker

Y'know, I chased it around with this big-ass scimitar screaming Allahu Akabar the whole time, but it didn't seem the least concerned. That is, until I snuck up on it quietly and sqooshed it with a paper towel.

LOL What do your drapes look like now? Those scimitars can be pretty wicked!

236 The Left  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 12:28:41pm

re: #230 webevintage

Oh no.
Hope he is ok...

re: #227 marjoriemoon

Oh dear. How awful! Those things can get nasty if infected.

thanks!

237 KingKenrod  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 12:29:16pm

re: #223 lostlakehiker

One month, fine. Get a handle on just how dangerous deep drilling is, or isn't. But 6 months? Or years? On what grounds? On what authority? Just because he says so?

BP is in a category of its own when it comes to safety records. On what grounds, and with what authority, does the president ban all deep drilling, even by companies that are taking far more precautions and have far better safety records? (Which would be, well, all of them, compared to BP.)

It's a good thing that Obama is being held accountable even if his decision is the right one. It is entirely possible his decision was not well thought out (in other words, arbitrary) or was done for political reasons. Remember, just before the accident Obama had actually called for an expansion in offshore drilling. A moratorium could help him walk that decision back politically.

238 Baier  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 12:30:39pm

re: #237 KingKenrod

It's a good thing that Obama is being held accountable even if his decision is the right one. It is entirely possible his decision was not well thought out (in other words, arbitrary) or was done for political reasons. Remember, just before the accident Obama had actually called for an expansion in offshore drilling. A moratorium could help him walk that decision back politically.

Obama has fallen far short of the mark I expected for his leadership skills pre-swearing in.

239 Casual Talker  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 12:31:28pm

re: #222 iceweasel

Jimmah is at the hospital with some scary reaction to mosquito bites. :(
He isn't back yet so I don't know what's going on.

Sometimes allergic reactions are worse with an asthmatic. Hopefully that's not the case and he will be well soon.

240 Digital Display  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 12:33:02pm

re: #222 iceweasel

Jimmah is at the hospital with some scary reaction to mosquito bites. :(
He isn't back yet so I don't know what's going on.

I am deeply sorry...We have bad issues with mosquitos up at the fishing cabin at Lake Tomahawk...
They are bad to the bone...
____
*late at Night*
*2 huge 6 foot seven mosquitoes land on your sleeping bag*
Prepare to scream
*So do we eat him here or take him back?*
2nd Monster Mosquito
* We take him back one of those Big sons of bitches will eat him!*

241 CuriousLurker  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 12:33:26pm

re: #235 marjoriemoon

LOL What do your drapes look like now? Those scimitars can be pretty wicked!

Yeah, it definitely time to buy a proper fly swatter! I'm thinking the bug bombs strapped to my chest might not work out so well...

242 Kragar  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 12:34:50pm

re: #241 CuriousLurker

Yeah, it definitely time to buy a proper fly swatter! I'm thinking the bug bombs strapped to my chest might not work out so well...

I believe the preffered method is to recruit someone else to strap the bug bombs to their chest.

243 webevintage  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 12:36:40pm

re: #233 reine.de.tout

Oh, understand I'm not complaining.
I can't figure out what your nemesis on that other blog was talking about.

And here was his response:
"Oil workers are eligible for Unemployment Insurance as are ALL workers who qualify. The issue with a fund was to pay their entire salary as if the industry was still operating. Do you understand the difference?

Jamie is one of yours not ours. She is another lawyer who really knows nothing but is connected and consequently makes money off of her Democratic connections. In other words, she is just another political slug. You won't find me defending her."

I guess my work is done. I can ignore him and others reading will understand that not only is the 100 million fund for laid off oil workers affected by the moratorium, but they may also be included in the 20B fund depending on what Fineburg decides.
I do not mind people bitching about the President but Jesus, base it in reality, not what one "thinks" is going on.

244 CuriousLurker  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 12:37:32pm

re: #242 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I believe the preffered method is to recruit someone else to strap the bug bombs to their chest.

Now there's an idea. Why didn't I think of that? There are some drug dealers who hand out over by the high school, I wonder if I could tell one of them...

245 RogueOne  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 12:37:47pm

re: #229 iceweasel

Yep.
No, he wasn't joking. He's had some kind of scary reaction to mosquito bites here. He's back in Scotland as of yesterday and at the hospital today.

Wow, that's messed up.

246 CuriousLurker  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 12:40:04pm

re: #222 iceweasel

Jimmah is at the hospital with some scary reaction to mosquito bites. :(
He isn't back yet so I don't know what's going on.

So sorry to hear this, ice. Please keep us updated on how he's doing. The prayer lists are getting longer & longer around here. *sigh*

247 What, me worry?  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 12:40:45pm

re: #241 CuriousLurker

Yeah, it definitely time to buy a proper fly swatter! I'm thinking the bug bombs strapped to my chest might not work out so well...

hehe... My sis in law bought my husband an automatic, battery-operated fly swatter as a gag gift because he was complaining about the flies. We haven't tried it yet. I suspect it's a gag gift for a reason...

248 sagehen  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 12:40:54pm

re: #196 lostlakehiker


We'll see. The GOP did not nominate a "theocon" for the presidency last time. Until it does, and while major GOP offices remain in with members of this internal opposition, it's a reach to claim that the party is "pretty much entirely" made up of theocons.

Right, just picked one as the running mate to a 72-year-old who's had cancer four times. Her presence on the ticket fired up the base like it hadn't been for a good long while, and now she's the party's rock star.

249 The Left  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 12:41:44pm

re: #239 Casual Talker

re: #245 RogueOne

re: #240 HoosierHoops

Thanks for the good wishes. I'm sure he'll be okay (though of course I'm out of my mind with anxiety). I feel very silly mentioning it when there are so many people here with much more serious issues going on-- JasonA, FBV. And your ankle, Hoops!

250 webevintage  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 12:42:23pm

re: #248 sagehen

Right, just picked one as the running mate to a 72-year-old who's had cancer four times. Her presence on the ticket fired up the base like it hadn't been for a good long while, and now she's the party's rock star.

It may have fired up the base but she helped lose him the election...

251 CuriousLurker  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 12:42:30pm

re: #247 marjoriemoon

hehe... My sis in law bought my husband an automatic, battery-operated fly swatter as a gag gift because he was complaining about the flies. We haven't tried it yet. I suspect it's a gag gift for a reason...

Hehehe, no doubt. I don't know how that sucker even got in here as I have the windows shut & the AC on all the time.

252 Nimed  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 12:42:42pm

re: #228 CuriousLurker

Y'know, I chased it around with this big-ass scimitar screaming Allahu Akabar the whole time, but it didn't seem the least concerned. That is, until I snuck up on it quietly and sqooshed it with a paper towel.

LOLOL.

I have a different method -- capture the fly alive and tie it to a toothpick. I give the fly one last chance at redemption (by repeatedly yelling "DO YOU REPENT YOUR ANNOYING BUZZING WAYS?"). But the stubborn insects invariably refuse to renounce their covenant with Satan, so I really have no choice at this point but to get the matches and proceed with the auto de fé.

253 Casual Talker  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 12:43:38pm

re: #248 sagehen

Right, just picked one as the running mate to a 72-year-old who's had cancer four times. Her presence on the ticket fired up the base like it hadn't been for a good long while, and now she's the party's rock star.

Not so much, at least recently. There's a poll out now asking who is qualified to be POTUS, including Obama. Palin trails many other R's by a major amount. The winner?.....Hillary.

254 jamesfirecat  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 12:44:15pm

re: #250 webevintage

It may have fired up the base but she helped lose him the election...

Welcome to the vice the GOP doesn't seem to realize its in yet, the more they play to their base the more they alienate the people whose swing votes they need to win elections.

Or to put another way...

"What do you call a moderate Republican these days?"

"A blue dog democrat."

255 Daniel Ballard  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 12:45:14pm

re: #222 iceweasel

Oh no... Allergic reaction?

256 Digital Display  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 12:45:19pm

re: #246 CuriousLurker

So sorry to hear this, ice. Please keep us updated on how he's doing. The prayer lists are getting longer & longer around here. *sigh*

The beauty of the Prayer list is how many prayers are answered every week.
It is very humbling to receive so many emails of answered prayer...It is because of you lizards...Thank you..

257 CuriousLurker  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 12:46:47pm

re: #252 Nimed

LOLOL.

I have a different method -- capture the fly alive and tie it to a toothpick. I give the fly one last chance at redemption (by repeatedly yelling "DO YOU REPENT YOUR ANNOYING BUZZING WAYS?"). But the stubborn insects invariably refuse to renounce their covenant with Satan, so I really have no choice at this point but to get the matches and proceed with the auto de fé.

Oooooh, the Torquemada approach—nice! LOL

258 What, me worry?  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 12:47:22pm

re: #243 webevintage

".... what one "thinks" is going on..."

Isn't that the basis of the entire teaparty? They're protecting the U.S. from the dirty commie fascists, except the dirty commie fascists haven't done anything to even earn the moniker. They're getting all riled up over rhetoric that's been spoonfed to them by the GOP. What was it on the Chris Matthews' video the woman says, "We want to stop the Muslims from taking over our country!" Say whaaaaat?

Beck and Limbaugh and there rest of the GOP are going to hell and I don't even believe in hell.

259 webevintage  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 12:50:08pm

re: #258 marjoriemoon

"... what one "thinks" is going on..."

Isn't that the basis of the entire teaparty?

and yes, the dude is a teaparty apologist.
Latest post:
Why do you think BP hired her when they met with Obama? Think that they just liked her perfume?

headdesk

260 CuriousLurker  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 12:50:33pm

re: #256 HoosierHoops

The beauty of the Prayer list is how many prayers are answered every week.
It is very humbling to receive so many emails of answered prayer...It is because of you lizards...Thank you..

I agree. Sending good energy towards people, whether in the form of prayers or just positive thoughts, certainly can't hurt (and, like you, I believe it helps). Sheesh, and you have an injury too. One more for my list! Hope you heal soon.

261 Daniel Ballard  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 12:51:11pm

re: #254 jamesfirecat

Welcome to the vice the GOP doesn't seem to realize its in yet, the more they play to their base the more they alienate the people whose swing votes they need to win elections.

Or to put another way...

"What do you call a moderate Republican these days?"

"A blue dog democrat."

Unaffiliated. Decline To State
There. Fixed That For ME
:)

262 albusteve  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 12:52:20pm

re: #115 McSpiff

You're arguing with someone that has the tagline of "How about rooting for America for a change you liberal scumbag" in their avatar and "Where Islam goes, blood flows". This guy isn't a light of sunshine in the Republican party, he's one of the shit stains we're talking about. He's just too dumb to notice.

nice, call someone a shitstain because you don't like their harmless comment

263 Casual Talker  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 12:52:57pm

re: #254 jamesfirecat

Welcome to the vice the GOP doesn't seem to realize its in yet, the more they play to their base the more they alienate the people whose swing votes they need to win elections.

Or to put another way...

"What do you call a moderate Republican these days?"

"A blue dog democrat."


What is your prediction in house and senate seat movement in the upcoming election?

264 jamesfirecat  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 12:53:13pm

re: #261 Rightwingconspirator

Unaffiliated. Decline To State
There. Fixed That For ME
:)

Well what do you call someone who is elected who has moderately right views?

I mean do you know what the present day GOP would have to say about Nixon?

265 ryannon  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 12:55:09pm

I'm watching a television documentary about a religious procession in Iran. It's one of the rare occasions when young men can be in the physical proximity with young women, who are clad from head to toe in black. The young men somehow manage to slip notes with poems and messages of admiration along with their cell phone numbers to the young women - despite the presence of 'monitors' who try to prevent any contact between the two sexes.

Iran has the largest under-30 population in the world.

266 ryannon  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 12:57:31pm

re: #265 ryannon

I'm watching a television documentary about a religious procession in Iran. It's one of the rare occasions when young men can be in the physical proximity with to young women, who are clad from head to toe in black. The young men somehow manage to slip notes with poems and messages of admiration along with their cell phone numbers to the young women - despite the presence of 'monitors' who try to prevent any contact between the two sexes.

Proportionally speaking, Iran has the largest under-30 population in the world.

267 jamesfirecat  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 12:57:49pm

re: #263 Casual Talker

What is your prediction in house and senate seat movement in the upcoming election?

I predict the GOP to make wins in the house because house districts tend to be small enough that any crazy person can get voted into office, see Michele Bachmann.

In the senate, I haven't been keeping my eye on all the races but at the moment sadly I once again expect GOP gains, though I expect Angel and Paul to crash and burn (I can't say anything else while retaining my respect for human intelligence).

In short I don't expect the GOP to take control of either house, but I do expect them to make gains...

268 albusteve  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 12:59:08pm

re: #165 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Lebanon to UN: Israel will suffer consequences if our ships are attacked

sounds like a declaration of war to me

269 Nimed  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 1:00:10pm

re: #265 ryannon

I'm watching a television documentary about a religious procession in Iran. It's one of the rare occasions when young men can be in the physical proximity with young women, who are clad from head to toe in black. The young men somehow manage to slip notes with poems and messages of admiration along with their cell phone numbers to the young women - despite the presence of 'monitors' who try to prevent any contact between the two sexes.

Iran has the largest under-30 population in the world.

Have you ever read/seen this?

270 Kragar  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 1:01:46pm

re: #268 albusteve

sounds like a declaration of war to me

Usual passive aggressive horseshit. They make big declarations daring Israel to knock the chip off their shoulder, then cry like bitches when Israel does.

271 Casual Talker  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 1:03:40pm

re: #267 jamesfirecat

I predict the GOP to make wins in the house because house districts tend to be small enough that any crazy person can get voted into office, see Michele Bachmann.

In the senate, I haven't been keeping my eye on all the races but at the moment sadly I once again expect GOP gains, though I expect Angel and Paul to crash and burn (I can't say anything else while retaining my respect for human intelligence).

In short I don't expect the GOP to take control of either house, but I do expect them to make gains...

I'm not too far away from you on outcomes, though an overall GOP house majority would not surprise me one bit.

272 ryannon  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 1:05:05pm

re: #269 Nimed

Have you ever read/seen this?


[Video]

I haven't. I do have a problem with many animated films dealing with serious subjects, but that's just me. Thank you for the suggestion, though!

273 What, me worry?  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 1:08:10pm

re: #267 jamesfirecat

I predict the GOP to make wins in the house because house districts tend to be small enough that any crazy person can get voted into office, see Michele Bachmann.

In the senate, I haven't been keeping my eye on all the races but at the moment sadly I once again expect GOP gains, though I expect Angel and Paul to crash and burn (I can't say anything else while retaining my respect for human intelligence).

In short I don't expect the GOP to take control of either house, but I do expect them to make gains...

Honestly, I don't. We may see 1 or 2 Rep seats, MAYBE, but it's not going to be a landslide or anything close to it.

The Republicans were so blind in 2008. They couldn't see that Obama would win. Hell, we could have ran a potato and it would have won. Not that Obama's a potato! But it didn't take a rocket scientist to figure it out.

Of course they wouldn't acknowledge the recession until they had a Democrat to blame it on. Instead they said it was all made up by the liberal media(TM).

274 MinisterO  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 1:09:27pm

re: #262 albusteve

nice, call someone a shitstain because you don't like their harmless comment

McSpiff gave a lot more reason than that. Why argue with someone whose very essence is partisan nincompoopery?

275 CuriousLurker  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 1:09:51pm

re: #215 iceweasel

It would have been offensive even if there were two words. The fact that it's the same word just made the hypocrisy and idiocy more apparent.

Excellent point. (I'm slowly catching up with all the posts.)

276 jamesfirecat  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 1:10:49pm

re: #271 Casual Talker

I'm not too far away from you on outcomes, though an overall GOP house majority would not surprise me one bit.

Its still to early to make any truly accurate predictions at the moment. By November the Oil Sill should finally be plugged up and if the economy continues to improve things may look a lot better for the democrats.

277 S'latch  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 1:12:44pm

Uganda has a lot of problems. Poverty is a major one. Uganda's GDP per capita is only about $1,300. The United States' GDP per capita $46,400. There are only 23 countries that have a lower GDP than Uganda, and some of them are on its border. (CIA - The World Fact Book).

278 lawhawk  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 1:13:31pm

re: #276 jamesfirecat

Lots of big ifs there. The economy is still on the rocks with real estate leading the way on uncertainty. Unemployment rates remain high (even as a lagging indicator, they're showing that businesses aren't hiring in bulk).

That bodes poorly for the party in power and losing seats is pretty much expected.

The question isn't whether Democrats lose seats, but how many.

I see a 40-45 seat loss in the House. If the economy goes into a double dip, you could see 55-60 or more. If the economy recovers, you'll probably see about 40 loss.

Another natural disaster (and/or with bad gov't response) or major catastrophe throws everything out the window.

279 Casual Talker  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 1:15:18pm

re: #276 jamesfirecat

Its still to early to make any truly accurate predictions at the moment. By November the Oil Sill should finally be plugged up and if the economy continues to improve things may look a lot better for the democrats.

Possibly, of course - Although you may get some debate on how much the economy is improving in real terms, which is where I would expect much of the campaigning to focus.

280 jamesfirecat  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 1:19:34pm

re: #279 Casual Talker

Possibly, of course - Although you may get some debate on how much the economy is improving in real terms, which is where I would expect much of the campaigning to focus.

Fair enough and I hope in turns the campaigning also focuses on whose economic policies got us into this mess and whose are slowly digging us back out....

281 Casual Talker  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 1:21:17pm

re: #280 jamesfirecat

Fair enough and I hope in turns the campaigning also focuses on whose economic policies got us into this mess and whose are slowly digging us back out...

Hasn't that been the conversation going on for the last two years?

282 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 1:22:49pm

The boyfriend has been intubated.

I don't know what that means, but it ain't good.

Crap!

283 jamesfirecat  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 1:26:26pm

re: #281 Casual Talker

Hasn't that been the conversation going on for the last two years?

And yet it still seems not to stick for a surprising number of people....

284 sagehen  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 1:26:31pm

re: #267 jamesfirecat

I predict the GOP to make wins in the house because house districts tend to be small enough that any crazy person can get voted into office, see Michele Bachmann.

In the senate, I haven't been keeping my eye on all the races but at the moment sadly I once again expect GOP gains, though I expect Angel and Paul to crash and burn (I can't say anything else while retaining my respect for human intelligence).

In short I don't expect the GOP to take control of either house, but I do expect them to make gains...

A lot of 1st and 2nd term Democrats are in conservative districts; a dozen only got their seats in the first place because of scandals by the R incumbents, another two dozen got caught up in the wave when Bush's popularity was at 23% and Cheney's at 11%. Those districts are naturally Republican, and most will revert to form. The Dems' majority will significantly shrink, but they won't lose it entirely.

In the Senate, Republicans have snatched defeat from the jaws of victory. What a bunch of hideous nominees they've put forth, to face truly vulnerable Dems. Harry Reid should have been preparing for retirement, but Sharron Angle saved him. Chasing Charlie Crist out of the party has cost Florida. Rand Paul just might give Kentucky (Kentucky!!) to the D's. And on and on. The R's should have been able to pick up at least half a dozen seats, instead I'm thinking maybe 3.

285 Bagua  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 1:28:43pm

re: #179 Nimed

Just think about the reaction you would get from the sentences "Where Christianity goes, blood flows" or "Where Judaism goes, blood flows".

Neither is currently accurate.


Maybe we should follow ask CuriousLurker or other Muslims in LGF if they are irresistibly compelled to spill blood wherever they go.

Obviously not. The problem is not with the majority, the problem is with those who use Islam as a motivation to spill blood.

286 sagehen  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 1:30:24pm

re: #282 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

The boyfriend has been intubated.

I don't know what that means, but it ain't good.

Crap!

It means he can't breathe, a machine has to do it for him.

287 Bagua  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 1:32:04pm

re: #170 CuriousLurker

Yet based on the quote in your profile—"Where Islam Goes, Blood Flows"—I'm fairly certain that you would strongly disagree with me if I were to say the following:

There are lots of candidates here Muslims who don't subscribe to the social conservative radical Islamist agenda. And claiming that we're virtually all the same is not only false, but it makes our job of pushing back that much tougher.

Please correct me if I'm wrong.

You are quite right that there are many Muslims who don't subscribe to radical Islam. In fact they live in terror of it, especially in countries like Algeria, Pakistan, and Iraq where the primary victims of radical Islamists have been other Muslims.

288 RogueOne  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 1:32:38pm

re: #267 jamesfirecat

re: #284 sagehen

The KY race is already over, Paul is going to skate in and the House is going repub. In january I didn't think the R's had any chance of taking the senate but now I'm not so sure. We need to get some of this stuff on record, like an NCAA bracket, so we can give out a congradulatory "king of the hill!" award.

289 CuriousLurker  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 1:33:32pm

re: #282 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

The boyfriend has been intubated.

I don't know what that means, but it ain't good.

Crap!

You were already long gone when I saw the post about that terrible accident the other day, so I just want to say that I was really sorry to hear about it and I pray that this is just a temporary setback.

290 Bagua  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 1:34:32pm

I see the dingbats are is full effect, suppressing uncomfortable thoughts. I challenge you to demonstrate why my comment is factually wrong?

291 Casual Talker  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 1:34:47pm

re: #288 RogueOne

re: #284 sagehen

The KY race is already over, Paul is going to skate in and the House is going repub. In january I didn't think the R's had any chance of taking the senate but now I'm not so sure. We need to get some of this stuff on record, like an NCAA bracket, so we can give out a congradulatory "king of the hill!" award.

Senate - 4-6 seats at most. Still a D majority.

Just my prediction, though.....

292 CuriousLurker  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 1:36:17pm

re: #287 Bagua

You are quite right that there are many Muslims who don't subscribe to radical Islam. In fact they live in terror of it, especially in countries like Algeria, Pakistan, and Iraq where the primary victims of radical Islamists have been other Muslims.

I can't argue with that.

293 The Left  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 1:37:31pm

re: #290 Bagua

I see the dingbats are is full effect, suppressing uncomfortable thoughts. I challenge you to demonstrate why my comment is factually wrong?

I've decided it's no longer worth engaging with people who are bigoted or post Muslim-hate. You just get a downding now.

Stock up on tissues.

294 Bagua  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 1:38:02pm

re: #292 CuriousLurker

I can't argue with that.

How about my number 285. Do you not agree as well?

295 Bagua  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 1:39:45pm

re: #293 iceweasel

I've decided it's no longer worth engaging with people who are bigoted or post Muslim-hate. You just get a downding now.

Stock up on tissues.

Of course you do not wish to engage when you are acting out of blind hatred. Your insinuation that I am a bigot is false and slanderous. But quite typical of you.

296 The Left  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 1:41:10pm

re: #295 Bagua

See Bagua, life is too short for the sort of pissing matches you delight in. Keep it up. I'll keep downdinging you, and I won't respond further to your bullshit here.

297 Bagua  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 1:44:12pm

re: #296 iceweasel

See Bagua, life is too short for the sort of pissing matches you delight in. Keep it up. I'll keep downdinging you, and I won't respond further to your bullshit here.

I care nothing about you Iceweasel. I am pointing out your hypocrisy.

298 Nimed  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 1:45:18pm

re: #285 Bagua

Obviously not. The problem is not with the majority, the problem is with those who use Islam as a motivation to spill blood.

So "Where Islam goes, blood flows" is an accurate sentence, in spite of the problem not being with the majority of Islam practitioners?

The sentence obviously qualifies the religion, but I guess this is the part where you defend some contrived interpretation that most people wouldn't think of when reading it.

299 Bagua  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 1:47:06pm

re: #298 Nimed

So "Where Islam goes, blood flows" is an accurate sentence, in spite of the problem not being with the majority of Islam practitioners?

The sentence obviously qualifies the religion, but I guess this is the part where you defend some contrived interpretation that most people wouldn't think of when reading it.

Did you read my reply?

Obviously not. The problem is not with the majority, the problem is with those who use Islam as a motivation to spill blood.

300 webevintage  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 1:48:08pm

re: #288 RogueOne

re: #284 sagehen

The KY race is already over, Paul is going to skate in and the House is going repub. In january I didn't think the R's had any chance of taking the senate but now I'm not so sure.

Because going after the unemployed in a bad economy is the way to win votes....

301 Nimed  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 1:50:05pm

re: #299 Bagua

Did you read my reply?

Yes. Did you?

Nimed: Just think about the reaction you would get from the sentences "Where Christianity goes, blood flows" or "Where Judaism goes, blood flows".

Bagua: Neither is currently accurate.

Obviously not. The problem is not with the majority, the problem is with those who use Islam as a motivation to spill blood.

So I guess the sentence "Where Islam goes, blood flows" is not accurate after all?

302 Macha  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 1:50:36pm

re: #282 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

The boyfriend has been intubated.

I don't know what that means, but it ain't good.

Crap!

That means he either stopped breathing on his own, or he wasn't able to get enough air in breathing on his own. They put a tube down his trachea (airway) and he is on a respirator. It could be just a temporary condition. He had very recent surgery, I believe you said yesterday, so the problem could be caused by swelling that is closing off nerves to the lungs/chest or constricting his airway. I'm holding good thoughts for him that this is just part of the recovery process.

303 Bagua  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 1:53:31pm

re: #301 Nimed

So I guess the sentence "Where Islam goes, blood flows" is not accurate after all?

Which is why I made two comments agreeing with the notion

Obviously not. The problem is not with the majority, the problem is with those who use Islam as a motivation to spill blood.

You are quite right that there are many Muslims who don't subscribe to radical Islam. In fact they live in terror of it, especially in countries like Algeria, Pakistan, and Iraq where the primary victims of radical Islamists have been other Muslims.

What is your issue with my relies?

304 Nimed  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 2:02:31pm

re: #303 Bagua

Which is why I made two comments agreeing with the notion

Obviously not. The problem is not with the majority, the problem is with those who use Islam as a motivation to spill blood.

You are quite right that there are many Muslims who don't subscribe to radical Islam. In fact they live in terror of it, especially in countries like Algeria, Pakistan, and Iraq where the primary victims of radical Islamists have been other Muslims.

What is your issue with my relies?

As I've said on both my replies to your comments, I have an issue with your comment "Neither is currently accurate" implying that "Where Islam goes, blood flows" is accurate. But keep playing dumb by quoting the part of your replies that have nothing to do with it. Your evasion is pretty transparent.

305 The Left  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 2:03:53pm

re: #304 Nimed

As I've said on both my replies to your comments, I have an issue with your comment "Neither is currently accurate" implying that "Where Islam goes, blood flows" is accurate. But keep playing dumb by quoting the part of your replies that have nothing to do with it. Your evasion is pretty transparent.

It always is.

306 CuriousLurker  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 2:08:25pm

re: #294 Bagua

How about my number 285. Do you not agree as well?

re: #285 Bagua

Neither is currently accurate.

I've been doing some online research into that to try and find accurate numbers from reliable sources, both current & historical, so I'll have to get back to you on the specifics regarding current groups. From what I've seen so far no ideology is 100% immune to violent fanaticism.

That being said, I'll readily admit that the Islamists/Jihadis seem to have others beat in terms of current body count (if we're talking strictly about killing in the name of religion).

It would be rather stupid for me to claim otherwise now, wouldn't it? I may be be friendly and I may shy away from bellicose contention, but no one should mistake that for a sign of stupidity, denial, or weakness. I'm not saying you're saying that, I'm just saying. ;)

Obviously not. The problem is not with the majority, the problem is with those who use Islam as a motivation to spill blood.

No argument there either. All I took issue with was Nekama complaining about the GOP being painted with a broad brush when he himself is using a pretty large one himself if his profile is any indication.

307 CuriousLurker  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 2:25:13pm

Okay, I guess that was a thread killer. I'm outta here.

308 Bagua  Tue, Jun 22, 2010 2:58:22pm

re: #304 Nimed

As I've said on both my replies to your comments, I have an issue with your comment "Neither is currently accurate" implying that "Where Islam goes, blood flows" is accurate. But keep playing dumb by quoting the part of your replies that have nothing to do with it. Your evasion is pretty transparent.

I didn't pick up on your focus. I made my response clear that I found that brush too broad. The problem is with Radical Islam.


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