GOP Rep. Gohmert: Obama’s Handling of BP is Just Like Hitler
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Texas Republican Rep. Louie Gohmert compares President Obama to Hitler, for setting up the BP $20B escrow fund.
Doubling down on derangement.
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Lidane Wed, Jun 23, 2010 3:27:58pm |
Somebody find that video of Lewis Black ripping Glenn Beck for invoking Hitler. Or Jon Stewart and his gospel choir.
God, I'm so tired of these GOP imbeciles and their defense of BP.
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darthstar Wed, Jun 23, 2010 3:28:13pm |
What's that on his lapel? A Thunderbirds badge?
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Jun 23, 2010 3:28:59pm |
Like I said before...
Making a mega corp pay for the billions of dollars of damages that it caused through criminal negligence is somehow Nazi...
Mmmhmmm....
Even BP admits responsibility here.
But campaigns need oil money and the GOP whores are busy sucking oil cock. Any lie will do.
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Jeff In Ohio Wed, Jun 23, 2010 3:29:14pm |
Yep, just like Hitler.
YOU HEAR THAT AMERIKKKA? WE'RE COMING TO KNOK ON YOUR DOOR!1!!!
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Jun 23, 2010 3:29:23pm |
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Kragar Wed, Jun 23, 2010 3:30:14pm |
So when does Obama plan to annex the Sudetanland?
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Jun 23, 2010 3:30:21pm |
re: #6 Lidane
Somebody find that video of Lewis Black ripping Glenn Beck for invoking Hitler. Or Jon Stewart and his gospel choir.
God, I'm so tired of these GOP imbeciles and their defense of BP.
They really are whores.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Jun 23, 2010 3:31:05pm |
re: #13 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
So when does Obama plan to annex the Sudetanland?
Be careful Kilgore, the wingnuts might just look that reference up and try to use it as a talking point.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Jun 23, 2010 3:31:36pm |
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darthstar Wed, Jun 23, 2010 3:31:51pm |
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Jeff In Ohio Wed, Jun 23, 2010 3:32:18pm |
re: #13 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
So when does Obama plan to annex the Sudetanland?
If that's Quebec, soon, but keep it under your hat. We're going to finally stick it to the French and teach the Neo-Cons a little something about Hegemony.
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tnguitarist Wed, Jun 23, 2010 3:33:08pm |
leading up to his taking power in the 1930s he deliberately sought to activate people who did not normally pay much attention to politics.
For some reason, this part really bothers me. Gohmert is making reference to the throng of young voters that came out to vote in the last election. Why do so many Republicans not want everyone who is eligible to vote?
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Jun 23, 2010 3:33:09pm |
re: #19 darthstar
Mexico doesn't want it.
But if we did give it back to Mexico, I would be much more in support of that border fence....
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Fozzie Bear Wed, Jun 23, 2010 3:33:30pm |
You know who else favored escrow funds for ecological disasters caused by large corporations? Hitler, that's who. I hear the fucker even favored a functioning bus system. What an asshole.
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albusteve Wed, Jun 23, 2010 3:33:32pm |
re: #18 LudwigVanQuixote
You sure we can't give it back to Mexico?
really funny!
except Texas is a piece of real estate...your rage is entirely misplaced
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Jun 23, 2010 3:34:39pm |
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Gus Wed, Jun 23, 2010 3:35:09pm |
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Cato the Elder Wed, Jun 23, 2010 3:36:05pm |
You can tell you're a redneck when you think the Nazi dictator's name was pronounced "Hiltler".
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Fozzie Bear Wed, Jun 23, 2010 3:36:13pm |
re: #25 albusteve
really funny!
except Texas is a piece of real estate...your rage is entirely misplaced
You're right. The problem is the people there. Why, we oughta round 'em all up and make them wear armb.....
Crap, nevermind. Forget I said anything.
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wrenchwench Wed, Jun 23, 2010 3:36:26pm |
"I didn't vote for Barack Obama in 2008, but I sure would have voted for [a different black guy, so you know I'm not racist] Thomas Sowell."
That's what I heard. Thomas Sowell never even hinted at running for President.
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Jeff In Ohio Wed, Jun 23, 2010 3:36:30pm |
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Jun 23, 2010 3:36:31pm |
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Jun 23, 2010 3:37:37pm |
re: #29 Cato the Elder
You can tell you're a redneck when you think the Nazi dictator's name was pronounced "Hiltler".
Ahhh Texas - Jesus freak and heartless imbecile to the world.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Jun 23, 2010 3:37:39pm |
re: #31 wrenchwench
"I didn't vote for Barack Obama in 2008, but I sure would have voted for [a different black guy, so you know I'm not racist] Thomas Sowell."
That's what I heard. Thomas Sowell never even hinted at running for President.
Has Thomas Sowell ever run for anything? He's a think-tank guy.
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Gus Wed, Jun 23, 2010 3:38:37pm |
There's a segment on the Daily Show where they do interviews regarding Michelle Obama's obesity and dietary endeavors. Anyway, they had one guy from the Competitive Enterprise Institute (wingnut group) and he compared her goals as being like that of Nazi Germany. He wasn't kidding either.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Jun 23, 2010 3:38:39pm |
re: #31 wrenchwench
"I didn't vote for Barack Obama in 2008, but I sure would have voted for [a different black guy, so you know I'm not racist] Thomas Sowell."
That's what I heard. Thomas Sowell never even hinted at running for President.
Honestly, how many dogwhistle ways do the GOP call our president a N****?
Someone ought to compile a list.
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albusteve Wed, Jun 23, 2010 3:38:41pm |
re: #35 SanFranciscoZionist
Has Thomas Sowell ever run for anything? He's a think-tank guy.
he's an economist by trade...pretty sharp guy
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Nimed Wed, Jun 23, 2010 3:39:04pm |
Thomas Sowell, Hitler, Lenin, where in the Constitution?, and forgive the useful idiots for "they know not what they say". All in two minutes. Well done, Rep. Gohmert. SNL won't be able to caricature you.
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Fozzie Bear Wed, Jun 23, 2010 3:39:14pm |
re: #35 SanFranciscoZionist
Has Thomas Sowell ever run for anything? He's a think-tank guy.
"Well, Sowell knows his place. He's not all uppity like Obama. We like our ni... umm... politicians to know who they serve."
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wrenchwench Wed, Jun 23, 2010 3:39:20pm |
re: #35 SanFranciscoZionist
Has Thomas Sowell ever run for anything? He's a think-tank guy.
But he's smart and he's black, so people wingers keep pointing out that there are black people who would make a good president. Just not the one we got.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Jun 23, 2010 3:39:58pm |
re: #36 Gus 802
There's a segment on the Daily Show where they do interviews regarding Michelle Obama's obesity and dietary endeavors. Anyway, they had one guy from the Competitive Enterprise Institute (wingnut group) and he compared her goals as being like that of Nazi Germany. He wasn't kidding either.
Well, if people lost weight, guys like Rush would be half the men they are today. The GOP would lose half of its mass.
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ReamWorks SKG Wed, Jun 23, 2010 3:40:18pm |
Forget about Hitler; he's not even using the term "useful idiot" correctly.
It, of course, originally referred to out-of-touch, naive Westerners who supported soviet communism. You may use it today to refer to out-of-touch, naive Westerners who support Hamas (for example), but not for American supporters of Barack Obama's policies. That makes no sense whatsoever...
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Jun 23, 2010 3:42:04pm |
re: #38 albusteve
he's an economist by trade...pretty sharp guy
I've read a few of his columns. The Oakland Trib. subscribes to him.
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Gus Wed, Jun 23, 2010 3:42:35pm |
re: #42 LudwigVanQuixote
Well, if people lost weight, guys like Rush would be half the men they are today. The GOP would lose half of its mass.
Found an article about this.
The Daily Show Tackles the Anti-Obesity Nanny State : Video Interlude : Eater National
The Daily Show filed a news report last night titled "Chubby Chasers that explored the government's anti-obesity initiatives and recommendations. They're like Big Brother! Ridiculing both side of the debate, including a consultant to Michelle Obama's Obesity Task Force, and a representative from the Competitive Enterprise Institute (a public policy organization that promotes "freedom" and "liberty") who ends up comparing the the health initiatives to Nazi Germany: "Michelle Obama's got a vision of this country that she wants to see it become, and she thinks it's her prerogative to impose it on everyone... I think control of food is a code for control of the way that people live."
They have the video there too. It's pretty funny.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Jun 23, 2010 3:43:26pm |
re: #38 albusteve
he's an economist by trade...pretty sharp guy
He's comparing Obama to Hitler in this article that Gohmert is quoting. He is comparing Obama to Hitler for expecting the responsible party to clean up a giant disaster. Yeah, that's sharp and all.
Perhaps McCarthy was sharp too?
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Nimed Wed, Jun 23, 2010 3:43:29pm |
re: #43 reuven
It's pure envy. The GOP is full of useless idiots.
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Fozzie Bear Wed, Jun 23, 2010 3:43:32pm |
Why doesn't the GOP just cut to the chase and just declare war on everything.
"What about nothingness"
"Hmm sounds buddhist. Better declare war on it too just to be sure."
For fuck's sake, these people are completely batshit.
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albusteve Wed, Jun 23, 2010 3:43:42pm |
and the bashfest continues...
the moderate middle of America will be crushed by extreme wingism...the good news is there are millions of untapped voters out there, and if they ever get off their ass to vote they might be the last hope to bring any sanity to the political scene...but many have just given up, forever jaded, by the MSM and the bizarre antics of elected officials...the next couple of elections should tell us more but this climate CAN continue and become far worse than it is...
Palin/Newt '12!...chew on that
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Gus Wed, Jun 23, 2010 3:44:14pm |
re: #49 albusteve
and the bashfest continues...
the moderate middle of America will be crushed by extreme wingism...the good news is there are millions of untapped voters out there, and if they ever get off their ass to vote they might be the last hope to bring any sanity to the political scene...but many have just given up, forever jaded, by the MSM and the bizarre antics of elected officials...the next couple of elections should tell us more but this climate CAN continue and become far worse than it is...
Palin/Newt '12!...chew on that
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Jun 23, 2010 3:45:09pm |
re: #41 wrenchwench
But he's smart and he's black, so
peoplewingers keep pointing out that there are black people who would make a good president. Just not the one we got.
Well, fine. Just seems odd to invoke a man who's never, to my knowledge, showed any interest in a career as a politician. Why not mention a black Republican who's actually held office?
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albusteve Wed, Jun 23, 2010 3:45:21pm |
re: #46 LudwigVanQuixote
He's comparing Obama to Hitler in this article that Gohmert is quoting. He is comparing Obama to Hitler for expecting the responsible party to clean up a giant disaster. Yeah, that's sharp and all.
Perhaps McCarthy was sharp too?
he's a sharp economist...save your rage for Texans
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Varek Raith Wed, Jun 23, 2010 3:46:21pm |
re: #29 Cato the Elder
You can tell you're a redneck when you think the Nazi dictator's name was pronounced "Hiltler".
IT'S "HITLOOOR"!
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albusteve Wed, Jun 23, 2010 3:46:33pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Jun 23, 2010 3:46:59pm |
re: #45 Gus 802
They have the video there too. It's pretty funny.
Don't forget. Liberals want to take away your salt.
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Gus Wed, Jun 23, 2010 3:47:21pm |
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darthstar Wed, Jun 23, 2010 3:47:33pm |
re: #54 albusteve
I don't get it
I think he's playing the world's smallest violin in order to soothe your little hurt.
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Gus Wed, Jun 23, 2010 3:47:41pm |
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simoom Wed, Jun 23, 2010 3:47:46pm |
Here's a more completely version of that segment of Gohmert's floor speech if anyone's interested:
[Link: www.c-spanarchives.org...]
The reason there's a jump in the YouTube version is they clipped out even more of the Sowell piece being read into the record (I assume for brevity).
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Jun 23, 2010 3:47:58pm |
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Cato the Elder Wed, Jun 23, 2010 3:48:08pm |
re: #34 LudwigVanQuixote
Ahhh Texas - Jesus freak and heartless imbecile to the world.
This moron also probably thinks that Lenin's first names were "Vee" and "Eye".
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albusteve Wed, Jun 23, 2010 3:48:16pm |
re: #55 SanFranciscoZionist
Don't forget. Liberals want to take away your salt.
and our sugar...
"keep your damned hands off my Twinky you dirty ape!"
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wrenchwench Wed, Jun 23, 2010 3:48:39pm |
re: #51 SanFranciscoZionist
Well, fine. Just seems odd to invoke a man who's never, to my knowledge, showed any interest in a career as a politician. Why not mention a black Republican who's actually held office?
In this case, it's because Gohmert wanted to quote from Sowell's column. In other cases, (IMHO) it's because someone who has never run for nor held office always looks better than someone who has. And it does look like Sowell is willing to shill for the wingnuts. If I'm not mistaken, he used to be more reasonable.
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darthstar Wed, Jun 23, 2010 3:48:50pm |
re: #55 SanFranciscoZionist
Don't forget. Liberals want to take away your salt.
That's why I only use Fleur de sel. Besides, a little sprinkle is all it takes.
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albusteve Wed, Jun 23, 2010 3:48:50pm |
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Jun 23, 2010 3:49:41pm |
re: #55 SanFranciscoZionist
Don't forget. Liberals want to take away your salt.
And my rabbi will tell you all sorts of things about what you are not allowed to eat!
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wrenchwench Wed, Jun 23, 2010 3:49:58pm |
Here's Sowell's column. It neglects to mention that BP voluntarily agreed to the escrow fund. I guess that makes BP Hitler.
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albusteve Wed, Jun 23, 2010 3:50:04pm |
re: #63 wrenchwench
In this case, it's because Gohmert wanted to quote from Sowell's column. In other cases, (IMHO) it's because someone who has never run for nor held office always looks better than someone who has. And it does look like Sowell is willing to shill for the wingnuts. If I'm not mistaken, he used to be more reasonable.
no shill, no job...what a sick world
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Gus Wed, Jun 23, 2010 3:50:28pm |
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albusteve Wed, Jun 23, 2010 3:51:10pm |
re: #69 Gus 802
Nothing. That was just my rebuttal: el violín pequeño.
stop fiddling around!...I'm serious here
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Jun 23, 2010 3:52:03pm |
re: #63 wrenchwench
In this case, it's because Gohmert wanted to quote from Sowell's column. In other cases, (IMHO) it's because someone who has never run for nor held office always looks better than someone who has. And it does look like Sowell is willing to shill for the wingnuts. If I'm not mistaken, he used to be more reasonable.
I've only read a few short pieces by him. His economic background seems solid. His social stuff is fluff, AFAIC, but he's clearly plenty smart.
And of course, an academic who's never held office does look cleaner and better than the average politician. You never have to get down in the mud of compromise and reality if you work at the Hoover Institute.
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Decatur Deb Wed, Jun 23, 2010 3:52:46pm |
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Gus Wed, Jun 23, 2010 3:53:08pm |
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HoosierHoops Wed, Jun 23, 2010 3:53:17pm |
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thatthatisis Wed, Jun 23, 2010 3:53:53pm |
It mystifies me how the Joe Barton wing of the Republican Party can't see the difference between jawboning BP into doing the right thing, versus a dictator seizing BP's assets.
Ever since the Tea Party rose up, I've spent so much time shaking my head that I'm afraid I may injure my neck. *sigh*
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Killgore Trout Wed, Jun 23, 2010 3:53:57pm |
This illustrates the damage being done by Glenn Beck, Birch society and Tea Parties. The Dems were pretty bad during the Bush years and the lefty base were frothing lunatics. They were never as bad as what the Republicans are doing today. Not only has the conservative base gone nuts but the leadership and representative went insane as well.
Did a Dem representative ever call Bush Hitler on the house floor? This is insanity.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Jun 23, 2010 3:54:18pm |
re: #66 LudwigVanQuixote
And my rabbi will tell you all sorts of things about what you are not allowed to eat!
At a synagogue retreat, on Shabbos, a few years ago:
OUR RABBI: Please, for today, while you're walking around town, don't go shopping. Keep Shabbat even if you don't usually. See how it feels.
VISITING SCHOLAR RABBI: Window shopping is nice too.
OUR RABBI: No! They can't even buy a window today!
ME: Oy, did the Catskills lose out when these guys decided to get smicha.
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Fozzie Bear Wed, Jun 23, 2010 3:54:23pm |
Well, don't you guys know that Hitler only executed volunteers? ///
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Jun 23, 2010 3:54:40pm |
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wrenchwench Wed, Jun 23, 2010 3:55:38pm |
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Jun 23, 2010 3:55:56pm |
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Decatur Deb Wed, Jun 23, 2010 3:56:14pm |
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Fozzie Bear Wed, Jun 23, 2010 3:56:31pm |
Where are the Joe Welch types when we need them.
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Lidane Wed, Jun 23, 2010 3:57:09pm |
re: #48 Fozzie Bear
Why doesn't the GOP just cut to the chase and just declare war on everything.
"What about nothingness"
"Hmm sounds buddhist. Better declare war on it too just to be sure."For fuck's sake, these people are completely batshit.
Heh. Reminds me of a Jon Stewart quote from a few years back: "We declared war on terror. We declared war on terror -- it's not even a noun, so, good luck. After we defeat it, I'm sure we'll take on that bastard ennui."
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Jun 23, 2010 3:57:20pm |
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Jun 23, 2010 3:57:40pm |
re: #86 LudwigVanQuixote
Well, sharp economists like him don't need to be bothered with facts. Remember economics is the only discipline where 2+2 only equals 4 usually.
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_RememberTonyC Wed, Jun 23, 2010 3:58:02pm |
could you guys stop ripping on gomer
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Gus Wed, Jun 23, 2010 3:58:19pm |
re: #76 Killgore Trout
This illustrates the damage being done by Glenn Beck, Birch society and Tea Parties. The Dems were pretty bad during the Bush years and the lefty base were frothing lunatics. They were never as bad as what the Republicans are doing today. Not only has the conservative base gone nuts but the leadership and representative went insane as well.
Did a Dem representative ever call Bush Hitler on the house floor? This is insanity.
Never that I recall. The worst we ever saw was Dick Durbin's comments regarding US troops. Otherwise what the GOP doing today is history making.
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Nimed Wed, Jun 23, 2010 3:58:23pm |
re: #49 albusteve
Palin/Newt '12!...chew on that
re: #60 SanFranciscoZionist
Let me guess. Because people are angry.
It seems lots of people believe Palin has a chance at the Presidential nomination. Scary.
But you are wrong Steve. The GOP won't commit seppuku in such an obvious way. Things won't be this crazy in 2011.
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albusteve Wed, Jun 23, 2010 3:59:35pm |
re: #76 Killgore Trout
This illustrates the damage being done by Glenn Beck, Birch society and Tea Parties. The Dems were pretty bad during the Bush years and the lefty base were frothing lunatics. They were never as bad as what the Republicans are doing today. Not only has the conservative base gone nuts but the leadership and representative went insane as well.
Did a Dem representative ever call Bush Hitler on the house floor? This is insanity.
yes it is...you'd think Pelosi would step in for the sake of propriety...NOT....the House has run amok....liars, thieves, and lunatics taking the 1st to task...you can say whatever you want
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Fozzie Bear Wed, Jun 23, 2010 3:59:51pm |
re: #91 Nimed
It seems lots of people believe Palin has a chance at the Presidential nomination. Scary.
But you are wrong Steve. The GOP won't commit seppuku in such an obvious way. Things won't be this crazy in 2011.
Oh, it's going to get alot nuttier.
I don't think we are anywhere near the bottom of the rabbit hole yet. Not even close.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Jun 23, 2010 4:00:20pm |
re: #85 Lidane
Heh. Reminds me of a Jon Stewart quote from a few years back: "We declared war on terror. We declared war on terror -- it's not even a noun, so, good luck. After we defeat it, I'm sure we'll take on that bastard ennui."
Terror is a noun! Now, it's not a CONCRETE noun.
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ryannon Wed, Jun 23, 2010 4:00:39pm |
re: #13 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
So when does Obama plan to annex the Sudetanland?
After we take Canada.
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Gus Wed, Jun 23, 2010 4:00:40pm |
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Fozzie Bear Wed, Jun 23, 2010 4:01:40pm |
re: #94 SanFranciscoZionist
Terror is a noun! Now, it's not a CONCRETE noun.
I still quibble with the nomenclature.
The "war on terror" sounds retarded to me. And deliberately open ended.
Don't even get me started on the resurgence of the word "homeland".
This shit is pure propaganda textbook material.
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Nimed Wed, Jun 23, 2010 4:01:44pm |
re: #80 SanFranciscoZionist
Maybe it makes BP Poland...
It was a brilliant analogy, but he forgot Poland.
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Decatur Deb Wed, Jun 23, 2010 4:02:07pm |
re: #93 Fozzie Bear
Oh, it's going to get alot nuttier.
I don't think we are anywhere near the bottom of the rabbit hole yet. Not even close.
The proper mix of Tea Party/GOP wins and losses in November could send the whole party into spasms.
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Batman Wed, Jun 23, 2010 4:02:17pm |
First, they came for that one oil company that fucked up's money, and I said nothing.
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albusteve Wed, Jun 23, 2010 4:02:17pm |
re: #91 Nimed
It seems lots of people believe Palin has a chance at the Presidential nomination. Scary.
But you are wrong Steve. The GOP won't commit seppuku in such an obvious way. Things won't be this crazy in 2011.
I use Palin metaphorically for 'bad shit'....I don't support her
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Fozzie Bear Wed, Jun 23, 2010 4:03:24pm |
re: #99 Decatur Deb
The proper mix of Tea Party/GOP wins and losses in November could send the whole party into spasms.
What we are seeing now are the spasms, the kneejerk reaction to a loss. What comes next is the scary part.
This has all happened before, just not here, and not recently.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Jun 23, 2010 4:04:26pm |
re: #99 Decatur Deb
The proper mix of Tea Party/GOP wins and losses in November could send the whole party into spasms.
The Tea Party will declare both victory and victimization, no matter what.
The GOP, dunno. I assume they'll pick up a good number of wins. What's going to be interesting to see is how many of those wins are solid Republicans, and how many are screwballs.
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Decatur Deb Wed, Jun 23, 2010 4:06:20pm |
re: #103 SanFranciscoZionist
The Tea Party will declare both victory and victimization, no matter what.
The GOP, dunno. I assume they'll pick up a good number of wins. What's going to be interesting to see is how many of those wins are solid Republicans, and how many are screwballs.
Worst case for the GOP: fewer wins than expected, with no clear assignment of credit or blame to the TPs.
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Tigger2005 Wed, Jun 23, 2010 4:06:21pm |
re: #13 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
So when does Obama plan to annex the Sudetanland?
Screw that, I wanna invade Poland.
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Nimed Wed, Jun 23, 2010 4:06:25pm |
re: #101 albusteve
I use Palin metaphorically for 'bad shit'...I don't support her
That's not what I meant. You could, without supporting her, predict that she'll bag the Presidential nomination.
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albusteve Wed, Jun 23, 2010 4:07:42pm |
re: #106 Nimed
That's not what I meant. You could, without supporting her, predict that she'll bag the Presidential nomination.
she might...anything can happen, that's why Romney should run
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Fozzie Bear Wed, Jun 23, 2010 4:07:56pm |
re: #103 SanFranciscoZionist
The Tea Party will declare both victory and victimization, no matter what.
The GOP, dunno. I assume they'll pick up a good number of wins. What's going to be interesting to see is how many of those wins are solid Republicans, and how many are screwballs.
Or whether there there is really any distinction there to be made. When the GOP absorbs the tea party completely, the fig leaf comes off, and that's when things will get hairy.
Or we will have at long last, our denouement. Our Joe Welch moment. But that requires a certain unity of media message that no longer exists. This kind of extremism is now free to go off the rails, and keep on going, because it doesn't share the same media atmosphere as the rest of us.
We live in far more dangerous times than most people recognize.
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Cato the Elder Wed, Jun 23, 2010 4:08:36pm |
Who wants to listen to (watch) "Air on a G String"?
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Decatur Deb Wed, Jun 23, 2010 4:09:57pm |
re: #109 Cato the Elder
Who wants to listen to (watch) "Air on a G String"?
Did a few hours ago. You go first.
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Tigger2005 Wed, Jun 23, 2010 4:10:52pm |
re: #75 thatthatisis
It mystifies me how the Joe Barton wing of the Republican Party can't see the difference between jawboning BP into doing the right thing, versus a dictator seizing BP's assets.
Ever since the Tea Party rose up, I've spent so much time shaking my head that I'm afraid I may injure my neck. *sigh*
I originally thought the Tea Parties were a good thing, that they were all about fiscal sanity and responsibility and encouraging people to be good, informed, involved citizens. So much for that pie in the sky idea.
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Fozzie Bear Wed, Jun 23, 2010 4:11:37pm |
re: #112 Tigger2005
I originally thought the Tea Parties were a good thing, that they were all about fiscal sanity and responsibility and encouraging people to be good, informed, involved citizens. So much for that pie in the sky idea.
It could have been that way if it weren't led by assholes.
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Tigger2005 Wed, Jun 23, 2010 4:12:45pm |
The GOP's high water mark recently was the first night of the last RNC. The speeches given were pretty damn good.
It's been all downhill from there.
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Lidane Wed, Jun 23, 2010 4:13:00pm |
re: #98 Nimed
It was a brilliant analogy, but he forgot Poland.
Heh.
For a bit of a break from all the GOP idiocy, this came across my Twitter feed earlier:
"This World Cup is working out like WW2 - France have forfeited, the USA turned up late, and England are left to fight the Germans."
I admit it. I laughed. :D
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Fozzie Bear Wed, Jun 23, 2010 4:13:50pm |
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Nimed Wed, Jun 23, 2010 4:13:54pm |
re: #108 Fozzie Bear
Or whether there there is really any distinction there to be made. When the GOP absorbs the tea party completely, the fig leaf comes off, and that's when things will get hairy.
LOL. Never heard that before. Upding.
/will I ever stop laughing at these things?
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Fozzie Bear Wed, Jun 23, 2010 4:15:37pm |
re: #117 Nimed
LOL. Never heard that before. Upding.
/will I ever stop laughing at these things?
You should hope not. Dick jokes woven into political conversations should never get old, or you are losing your sense of humor, imo.
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Decatur Deb Wed, Jun 23, 2010 4:16:28pm |
re: #112 Tigger2005
I originally thought the Tea Parties were a good thing, that they were all about fiscal sanity and responsibility and encouraging people to be good, informed, involved citizens. So much for that pie in the sky idea.
re: #113 Fozzie Bear
There are at least four visible strains of TP out there, five if the Florida Dems really set up a false front.
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Nimed Wed, Jun 23, 2010 4:17:58pm |
re: #115 Lidane
I admit it. I laughed. :D
That was a good one. :D
Mm... I don't know if this was clear, my "he forgot Poland" referred to this:
[Link: www.urbandictionary.com...]
here's a video for people with short memories
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Lidane Wed, Jun 23, 2010 4:18:51pm |
re: #120 Nimed
Oh, I remembered the "You forgot Poland!" thing. I just wanted an excuse to post that Tweet. Heh. ;)
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Gus Wed, Jun 23, 2010 4:19:15pm |
Oil Spill Conspiracy Theorist Carrying The GOP Flag In North Carolina
North Carolinians made their choice in the 13th Congressional District Republican runoff last night. And most of them went with the guy whose take on the worst environmental disaster in the nation's history makes Oliver Stone's JFK look like a Ken Burns documentary.
Bill Randall, a tea partier who made headlines with his suggestion that BP and the federal government worked together to blow up the Deepwater Horizon offshore drilling rig in April, decisively won last night's runoff, defeating magazine publisher (and relatively more mainstream Republican) Bernie Reeves by a margin of 59% to 41%. Randall will now carry his party's flag to the general election, where he'll face incumbent Rep. Brad Miller (D)...
"Personally, and this is purely speculative on my part and not based on any fact, but personally I feel there is a possibility that there was some sort of collusion," Randall told reporters in North Carolina yesterday. "I don't know how or why, but in that situation, if you have someone from a company violating a safety process and the government signing off on it, excuse me, maybe they wanted it to leak."
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researchok Wed, Jun 23, 2010 4:19:27pm |
It's been an interesting day...
Prosecutor: Al Gore was focus of sex crime inquiry in Portland
The Multnomah County District Attorney’s Office confirmed today that a woman who alleged unwanted sexual contact by Al Gore reported it to police in 2006, and the prosecutor’s office was briefed by the Portland Police Bureau in late 2006 and January 2007.“We were told the woman was not willing to be interviewed by the Portland Police Bureau and did not want a criminal investigation to proceed,’’ Multnomah County District Attorney Michael Schrunk said, in a prepared statement.
Today, as the National Enquirer reported that it had interviewed a Portland masseuse who complained of unwanted sexual contact by the former vice president at the Hotel Lucia on Oct. 24, 2006, the district attorney’s office was notified that the Portland Police Bureau had conducted a further investigation of the allegation in 2009.
“If the complainant and the Portland Police Bureau wish to pursue the possibility of a criminal prosecution, additional investigation by the Bureau will be necessary and will be discussed with the Portland Police Bureau,’’ Schrunk said, in his statement.
At the time, according to a Portland police 2007 report, the woman reported the encounter several weeks after the incident. Portland Detective Cheryl Wadell said the woman cancelled interview appointments three times, and declined police investigation, saying a civil case would be pursued.
Portland police Sgt. Rich Austria had contacted the U.S. Secret Service, the Federal Bureau of Investigation and Oregon State Police "in an attempt to have a larger law enforcement agency investigate this case. All aove agencies declined and referred him to the agency of jurisdiction where the alleged crime occurred,'' Waddell wrote in her report.
Waddell was assigned the case Dec. 19, 2006. By 2007, the woman or her attorney told police the case was going to be handled civilly.
"This case is exceptionally cleared'' Waddell wrote in her report, noting the complainant refuses to cooperate with the investigation or even report a crime.
Randall Vogt, a Pearl District attorney specialized in sexual misconduct cases, said he represented the masseuse in 2006 after she claimed Vice-President Al Gore sexually attacked her during a massage.
He declined to identify the woman and said they had not been in touch since her original claim was investigated by Portland Police.
"That file was closed and put to bed and forgotten," Vogt said. "She and I parted on friendly terms as best I can recall."
Vogt said he was not aware that his former client reactivated her claims against Gore last year, prompting police to reinvestigate the allegations.
There's no evidence a civil suit had been filed.
In 2007, then Portland Tribune reporter Nick Budnick made a public records request for the Portland police report, obtained it but the newspaper did not run a story.
Portland Police Bureau report on Al Gore
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Killgore Trout Wed, Jun 23, 2010 4:21:15pm |
Pamela Geller declares war on brown people ....
Forecast: Blood on the Streets
If the king decrees that all illegals will be granted amnesty, I can assure you that America will not go quietly. If you recall the last time partial amnesty was broached under the Bush administration (when both parties actually worked together), millions took to the streets and voted it down -- and that was before the phenomenon known as the "tea parties."
It is increasingly clear that the most divisive President in history is itching for a civil war. And at the rate he is going, he is going to get one -- if he continues to ignore the will of the American people.
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Gus Wed, Jun 23, 2010 4:21:24pm |
re: #123 Gus 802
Oil Spill Conspiracy Theorist Carrying The GOP Flag In North Carolina
Here's the video which doesn't work at the TPM link:
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Cato the Elder Wed, Jun 23, 2010 4:22:25pm |
re: #125 Killgore Trout
Pamela Geller declares war on brown people ...
Forecast: Blood on the Streets
I am well prepared for a civil war, but I will not be on the side of the Harpy.
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Fozzie Bear Wed, Jun 23, 2010 4:24:18pm |
re: #125 Killgore Trout
Pamela Geller declares war on brown people ...
Forecast: Blood on the Streets
Ahh yes, more gleeful talk of violent revolution. They sound like communists from a hundred years ago.
No, really, they do.
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wrenchwench Wed, Jun 23, 2010 4:24:44pm |
re: #125 Killgore Trout
If you recall the last time partial amnesty was broached under the Bush administration (when both parties actually worked together), millions took to the streets and voted it down -- and that was before the phenomenon known as the "tea parties."
Voting in the streets? I did miss that....
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Decatur Deb Wed, Jun 23, 2010 4:25:07pm |
re: #109 Cato the Elder
I've got Bobby McFerrin/Yo Yo Ma version in the rack. Spin yours.
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Nimed Wed, Jun 23, 2010 4:25:53pm |
re: #127 Cato the Elder
I am well prepared for a civil war, but I will not be on the side of the Harpy.
With shrieking Pam, there would be nothing civil about it.
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allegro Wed, Jun 23, 2010 4:30:49pm |
re: #124 researchok
Waddell was assigned the case Dec. 19, 2006. By 2007, the woman or her attorney told police the case was going to be handled civilly.
"This case is exceptionally cleared'' Waddell wrote in her report, noting the complainant refuses to cooperate with the investigation or even report a crime.
Translated: He's rich. I want some of it.
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Shiplord Kirel Wed, Jun 23, 2010 4:31:03pm |
Gomer represents the first district of Texas.
This is in the northeast corner of Texas: piney woods, chiggers, mosquitoes, proximity to Louisiana and darkest Arkansas, and a host of other things that would be quite alien to places like Lubbock or Austin. It is 71% white, 18% black and only 9% Hispanic. I believe this is the lowest Hispanic population of any Texas district.
Historically, the area was a center of lynching during the Jim Crow era, the old city of Marshall being especially notorious for this.
(In 1949, Marshall banned the movie Pinky because it technically portrayed an interracial couple. The couple in the movie were portrayed by Jeanne Crain and William Lundigan. Both are white but Crain's character was supposed to be partly black and "passing," in the parlance of the time. The case went to the Supreme Court, which overturned the Marshall censorship ordinance.)
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Nimed Wed, Jun 23, 2010 4:31:11pm |
re: #131 Decatur Deb
I've got Bobby McFerrin/Yo Yo Ma version in the rack. Spin yours.
What? Sacrilege!
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researchok Wed, Jun 23, 2010 4:31:56pm |
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joest73 Wed, Jun 23, 2010 4:32:50pm |
The Hitler comparison is getting old now. The Democrats did it to Bush and now the Republicans are up to the same old tricks. Who could forget the Minnesota looney toon Democratic congressman Keith Ellison
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Ebetty Wed, Jun 23, 2010 4:34:46pm |
re: #136 researchok
If by "good" you mean it's cool to sexually assault women who are obviously trashy and out for the money. Wonder if that masseuse's real name is Rielle Hunter.
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Decatur Deb Wed, Jun 23, 2010 4:34:57pm |
re: #135 Nimed
Bach's a big boy--he can take it. (It's actually not jazzy, unlike Jacques Loussier or the MJQ)
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Charles Johnson Wed, Jun 23, 2010 4:35:30pm |
re: #125 Killgore Trout
Pamela Geller declares war on brown people ...
Forecast: Blood on the Streets
She quotes asshole blogger "Yid With Lid" as her source for the claim that Obama is preparing to "grant amnesty by executive order." His source? Well, he has no source. At all. He mentions "rumors," and that's it.
Pathetic.
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researchok Wed, Jun 23, 2010 4:40:05pm |
re: #140 Charles
She quotes asshole blogger "Yid With Lid" as her source for the claim that Obama is preparing to "grant amnesty by executive order." His source? Well, he has no source. At all. He mentions "rumors," and that's it.
Pathetic.
There is a huge difference between credible and ideological debate.
For her. it's all about ideology. Here, it's all about credibility.
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Nimed Wed, Jun 23, 2010 4:40:24pm |
re: #139 Decatur Deb
Bach's a big boy--he can take it. (It's actually not jazzy, unlike Jacques Loussier or the MJQ)
[Video]
Thanks. While feigning outrage, I went behind your back and heard it on youtube. Not bad.
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watching you tiny alien kittens are Wed, Jun 23, 2010 4:42:18pm |
Building up the country--Hitler!
Getting the disaffected interested in politics--Hitler!
Uninformed voters voting (which has never ever happened before)--Hitler!
Setting up a relief fund for people affected by a disaster--Hitler! (wait wut?, your joking right?)
///
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Decatur Deb Wed, Jun 23, 2010 4:43:16pm |
re: #142 Nimed
Thanks. While feigning outrage, I went behind your back and heard it on youtube. Not bad.
Did you hit a McFerrin vid of Bach/Gounod Ave Maria? He leads audiences in a sing-along.
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watching you tiny alien kittens are Wed, Jun 23, 2010 4:43:50pm |
re: #143 ausador
This post brought to you by Mega-Godwin Inc.©
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iceweasel Wed, Jun 23, 2010 4:45:30pm |
Today in Nutbars: Thomas Sowell
It was a tossup between him and Jon Voight yesterday, that's for sure.
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Gus Wed, Jun 23, 2010 4:48:17pm |
re: #146 iceweasel
Today in Nutbars: Thomas Sowell
It was a tossup between him and Jon Voight yesterday, that's for sure.
Just think. Gomer's comments will go into the official record of the 111th Congress.
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iceweasel Wed, Jun 23, 2010 4:51:41pm |
re: #147 Gus 802
Just think. Gomer's comments will go into the official record of the 111th Congress.
I think it's clear what the wingnuts will say if the economy turns around:
JUST LIKE HITLER!11! /
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Nimed Wed, Jun 23, 2010 4:51:54pm |
re: #144 Decatur Deb
Did you hit a McFerrin vid of Bach/Gounod Ave Maria? He leads audiences in a sing-along.
LOL
"And if you're Jewish and it bothers you, you can sing the Oy Vey Maria".
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Cato the Elder Wed, Jun 23, 2010 4:52:27pm |
I'm thinking of a home-schooling book series that will sell in the millions and make me independently wealthy.
It's about this kid with a German first name who gets lost, and your job is to find him.
Wandering the halls of Congress, at the White House, on the "Lost" Island, in a movie about a movie about a movie. Find him, stop him, and tie him up so he can't do any harm, and you win the prize from the money I earn from the books. One million dollars in bearer bonds, just like The Amazing Randi offers for proof of the supernatural.
Where's Adolf?
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Renaissance_Man Wed, Jun 23, 2010 4:52:34pm |
re: #143 ausador
Building up the country--Hitler!
Getting the disaffected interested in politics--Hitler!
Uninformed voters voting (which has never ever happened before)--Hitler!
Setting up a relief fund for people affected by a disaster--Hitler! (wait wut?, your joking right?)///
Well, the prevailing meme on the American right has been that everything Democrat/left is completely and unapologetically evil for many years now, at least as long as I've been watching it. Hitler/Nazi is simply an acronym - just use the words most commonly associated with evil as a shorthand. However, up till very recently, politicians and political figures would typically maintain the veneer of civility officially - they would say publicly that their Democrat opponents were really good Americans who loved their country, they just had differences of opinion. It was the province of unelected media figures on the right to remind their base continually that all Democrats and lefties were actually the devil spawn of Satan, and out to murder them and inter them in concentration camps at a moment's notice.
With the rise of the internet, and the subsequent increase in power of the Conservative cult media, it has become clear who runs who. And, as a result, GOP politicians now feel safe in stating publicly what their base believes - that all Democrats are disciples of Hitler and Stalin, and the left are evil maniacs trying to destroy them and their country. After all, the leaders of the GOP have been saying so for years.
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Gus Wed, Jun 23, 2010 4:53:42pm |
re: #148 iceweasel
I think it's clear what the wingnuts will say if the economy turns around:
JUST LIKE HITLER!11! /
You know who else had a thing about highway projects?!?
/
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iceweasel Wed, Jun 23, 2010 4:56:27pm |
re: #152 Gus 802
You know who else had a thing about highway projects?!?
/
Heh.
YOU KNOW WHO ELSE HAD A DOG? HITLER!
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Gus Wed, Jun 23, 2010 4:58:18pm |
re: #153 iceweasel
Heh.
YOU KNOW WHO ELSE HAD A DOG? HITLER!
You know who else had a thing about dietary intake?!?
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Cato the Elder Wed, Jun 23, 2010 4:58:29pm |
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iceweasel Wed, Jun 23, 2010 5:00:17pm |
re: #155 Cato the Elder
Hey Cato!!! How are you? Best wishes to your mom and you and family! (saw that right before i had to run off and do some stuff)
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Jun 23, 2010 5:00:54pm |
re: #39 Nimed
Thomas Sowell, Hitler, Lenin, where in the Constitution?, and forgive the useful idiots for "they know not what they say". All in two minutes. Well done, Rep. Gohmert. SNL won't be able to caricature you.
He thinks this is a "clever" move on his part, by quoting from someone else's essay, but at the same time, neither really giving it outward praise, but certainly not decrying the content.
I wish people who want to try to equate certain American politicians with Hitler could be instantly transported back to Poland, circa Sept. 1939... you want something to really make you shit in your pants.
Go to Poland, go to Warsaw, visit the sites, the museums senator, meet some of the people still alive who knew first hand what you are toying with... I have senator, and you have no fucking clue.
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Gus Wed, Jun 23, 2010 5:01:07pm |
re: #155 Cato the Elder
Does your brother have a thing for riding boots?
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avanti Wed, Jun 23, 2010 5:05:41pm |
re: #152 Gus 802
You know who else had a thing about highway projects?!?
/
Now that the right has redefined Nazi's as the far left, expect more comparisons like this. (I looked on Becks blackboard, so I know it's a fact, Nazi's/Commies, same thing.)/
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iceweasel Wed, Jun 23, 2010 5:06:51pm |
re: #159 avanti
Now that the right has redefined Nazi's as the far left, expect more comparisons like this. (I looked on Becks blackboard, so I know it's a fact, Nazi's/Commies, same thing.)/
That's been going on for a while now. Cf the Doughy Pantload and Liberal Fascism.
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Gus Wed, Jun 23, 2010 5:08:48pm |
re: #159 avanti
Now that the right has redefined Nazi's as the far left, expect more comparisons like this. (I looked on Becks blackboard, so I know it's a fact, Nazi's/Commies, same thing.)/
Yeah. I think now instead of pulling a Godwin they can just easily pull a Goldberg: "all liberals are fascists and since all Nazis were fascists therefore all liberals are Nazis."
Image: Liberal-Fascism-Jonah-Goldberg-Mussolini-unabridged-Tantor-audiobooks.jpg
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Cato the Elder Wed, Jun 23, 2010 5:10:04pm |
re: #158 Gus 802
Does your brother have a thing for riding boots?
That was Göring. I would let him go if that's all he was.
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Gus Wed, Jun 23, 2010 5:11:58pm |
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Decatur Deb Wed, Jun 23, 2010 5:13:23pm |
re: #163 Cato the Elder
I stepped on your "Air". Here's Loreena McKennit on St. John of the Cross in compensation.
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Gus Wed, Jun 23, 2010 5:13:49pm |
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iceweasel Wed, Jun 23, 2010 5:14:56pm |
re: #169 Gus 802
Good seeing you as well. How's things in the city?
freakin' hot and not in the fun way. :(
How's by you?
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Nimed Wed, Jun 23, 2010 5:15:12pm |
re: #161 Walter L. Newton
Hey.. Nimed... you still around?
I'm here, I'm working, and checking the thread upstairs more often.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Jun 23, 2010 5:16:19pm |
re: #171 Nimed
I'm here, I'm working, and checking the thread upstairs more often.
Let's get back to your bullshit remark that I am a right winger. Where do you get that crap from?
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Gus Wed, Jun 23, 2010 5:16:32pm |
re: #170 iceweasel
freakin' hot and not in the fun way. :(
How's by you?
Ugh. When it gets hot over there it tends to stay hot all night.
Same old thing on my end. Kind of hot but you know, "it's dry heat". Plus I have the cooler running.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Jun 23, 2010 5:17:49pm |
re: #173 Gus 802
Ugh. When it gets hot over there it tends to stay hot all night.
Same old thing on my end. Kind of hot but you know, "it's dry heat". Plus I have the cooler running.
Sixty five degrees (f) up here., will probably be in the 40's overnight.
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researchok Wed, Jun 23, 2010 5:19:19pm |
re: #138 Ebetty
If by "good" you mean it's cool to sexually assault women who are obviously trashy and out for the money. Wonder if that masseuse's real name is Rielle Hunter.
I left out the sarc tags.
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Gus Wed, Jun 23, 2010 5:19:22pm |
re: #174 Walter L. Newton
Sixty five degrees (f) up here., will probably be in the 40's overnight.
Brrrr. 9 News says it's 83 now. I'm on the west side of the building and when the sun beats down on the apartment it can get pretty hot.
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Nimed Wed, Jun 23, 2010 5:21:15pm |
re: #172 Walter L. Newton
Let's get back to your bullshit remark that I am a right winger. Where do you get that crap from?
lol. Walter, many of your political positions tend to be more in the right-wing side of the spectrum. Not that there's nothing wrong with it. Immigration comes to mind.
If you want me to back up the claim, I'd be happy to, but I haven't got the time right now. Perhaps later, if you're around, or on the weekend?
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Jun 23, 2010 5:23:18pm |
re: #179 Nimed
lol. Walter, many of your political positions tend to be more in the right-wing side of the spectrum. Not that there's nothing wrong with it. Immigration comes to mind.
If you want me to back up the claim, I'd be happy to, but I haven't got the time right now. Perhaps later, if you're around, or on the weekend?
You used the term "right winger" which would put me in the same camp as the idiot that heads this thread.
That's where you put me? You got to fucking be joking... right?
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iceweasel Wed, Jun 23, 2010 5:25:48pm |
re: #180 Walter L. Newton
You used the term "right winger" which would put me in the same camp as the idiot that heads this thread.
Since when?
"right winger"= conservative, person on the right, etc.
"wingnut"= right wing nut.
Gohmert is the latter, which is a subset of the former.
But by all means, don't let me get in the way of your attempts to troll new people or pick a fight. :)
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Nimed Wed, Jun 23, 2010 5:26:37pm |
re: #180 Walter L. Newton
Hmm... That's like me saying that if somebody characterizes me as a left-winger, he is putting me in the same camp as Stalin.
Are you saying that right-winger is a derogatory term?
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albusteve Wed, Jun 23, 2010 5:27:32pm |
re: #180 Walter L. Newton
You used the term "right winger" which would put me in the same camp as the idiot that heads this thread.
That's where you put me? You got to fucking be joking... right?
I keep a list of all the rude names I've been called all in the last 6 months...groovy...if we are at all right of center, which I suppose I am, then in the minds of the progs we are demons
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Nimed Wed, Jun 23, 2010 5:29:21pm |
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Jun 23, 2010 5:30:42pm |
re: #181 iceweasel
Since when?
"right winger"= conservative, person on the right, etc.
"wingnut"= right wing nut.Gohmert is the latter, which is a subset of the former.
But by all means, don't let me get in the way of your attempts to troll new people or pick a fight. :)
I wasn't talking to you... and let's keep it that way... ok?
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iceweasel Wed, Jun 23, 2010 5:32:37pm |
re: #185 Walter L. Newton
I wasn't talking to you... and let's keep it that way... ok?
No surprise there. :)
You probably shouldn't have started with me yesterday, Walter. Please do carry on.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Jun 23, 2010 5:33:02pm |
re: #186 iceweasel
No surprise there. :)
You probably shouldn't have started with me yesterday, Walter. Please do carry on.
Thank you.
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_RememberTonyC Wed, Jun 23, 2010 5:33:34pm |
re: #99 Decatur Deb
The proper mix of Tea Party/GOP wins and losses in November could send the whole party into spasms.
LOL .... and maybe the low hanging fruit will fall by the wayside ... we can hope, can't we?
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albusteve Wed, Jun 23, 2010 5:34:23pm |
jpgs are really popular these days...and poetry
I'm moved
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Gus Wed, Jun 23, 2010 5:34:35pm |
re: #183 albusteve
I keep a list of all the rude names I've been called all in the last 6 months...groovy...if we are at all right of center, which I suppose I am, then in the minds of the progs we are demons
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
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_RememberTonyC Wed, Jun 23, 2010 5:35:24pm |
ladies and gentlemen ... the royal thespian lizards are ready for their show!
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albusteve Wed, Jun 23, 2010 5:36:54pm |
re: #190 Gus 802
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
fuck you is an acceptable way to show contempt...as for name calling, which was the subject, I've never started that gig, not once...but you call me names you'll get it back in spades
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_RememberTonyC Wed, Jun 23, 2010 5:39:40pm |
re: #192 albusteve
fuck you is an acceptable way to show contempt...as for name calling, which was the subject, I've never started that gig, not once...but you call me names you'll get it back in spades
young men (and women) need to learn to swear properly. it's part of the maturation process. if i'm around people who swear in moderation, it's better than the other way around. But you gotta stop short of making it too personal. and you need to know your audience before you drop an f-bomb.
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CuriousLurker Wed, Jun 23, 2010 5:40:13pm |
re: #125 Killgore Trout
Pamela Geller declares war on brown people ...
Forecast: Blood on the Streets
What I can't quite wrap my head around is how some people maintain a state of what appears to be near apoplectic hate & rage 24x7. How can it NOT be utterly psychologically & spiritually debilitating to work yourself up into such snarling, lathering fits several times a day?
It seems like a lot of work... like you have to wake up in the morning and actively seek the negative, then keep at it throughout the day. And what about when you lie in bed at night? What manner of foul thoughts writhe around in your mind, clawing & snapping at one another in an effort to predominate?
I know I'm being kind of melodramatic here, but sheesh I really have a hard time comprehending the appeal of such things. Some of these folks seem to almost enjoy being enraged, and I get the distinct feeling that they look forward to possible confrontation & violence (and all the suffering it would bring) with a sparkly-eyed sort of glee that turns my stomach.
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brownbagj Wed, Jun 23, 2010 5:41:00pm |
First they came for bazillion dollar international corporations and I said nothing...
//
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albusteve Wed, Jun 23, 2010 5:41:32pm |
re: #193 _RememberTonyC
young men (and women) need to learn to swear properly. it's part of the maturation process. if i'm around people who swear in moderation, it's better than the other way around. But you gotta stop short of making it too personal. and you need to know your audience before you drop an f-bomb.
some people just poodle on til they deserve whatever they get
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Gus Wed, Jun 23, 2010 5:42:12pm |
re: #192 albusteve
fuck you is an acceptable way to show contempt...as for name calling, which was the subject, I've never started that gig, not once...but you call me names you'll get it back in spades
Roger. I know I can't argue with someone that's right. You're innocent. Sweet as good old American apple pie. Typically, whenever you respond it's justified since you hold the high moral ground.
//
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palomino Wed, Jun 23, 2010 5:42:21pm |
First of all, Gohmert is retarded. He can't even pronounce Hitler, rhetoric, or similarly (although I'll admit the last one can be difficult.)
Second, who on the left is saying that we need a dictator? No one, so the Hitler analogy, as usual, falls flat.
Third, he didn't bully BP. They wanted this, since they know they're gonna have to pay anyway, and could use some good PR.
Finally, though, I guess we should give points to Gohmert, as he says, "I didn't vote for Obama, but I would vote for Thomas Sowell." Sowell is the author of the inane article Gohmert quotes, and a black man. Wow, he's so open minded and tolerant. I'm sure Gohmert also would have marched with MLK, just like his buddy Rand Paul.
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albusteve Wed, Jun 23, 2010 5:44:48pm |
re: #197 Gus 802
Roger. I know I can't argue with someone that's right. You're innocent. Sweet as good old American apple pie. Typically, whenever you respond it's justified since you hold the high moral ground.
//
not the moral ground...I'm immoral, LVQ said so
hahaha!
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_RememberTonyC Wed, Jun 23, 2010 5:45:32pm |
re: #196 albusteve
some people just poodle on til they deserve whatever they get
I grew up in a town where you learned to swear really early in life. And I have found over the years that when you show a certain type of person that you'll use "bad" words, you can almost see them back off. It is a skill that is necessary for survival in some ways. Talking your way out of a bad situation is better than recovering from a gunshot wound.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Jun 23, 2010 5:45:34pm |
re: #199 albusteve
not the moral ground...I'm immoral, LVQ said so
hahaha!
You're lower piece of shit than me even...
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Gus Wed, Jun 23, 2010 5:45:48pm |
re: #199 albusteve
not the moral ground...I'm immoral, LVQ said so
hahaha!
Anywho, I'm going to drop this.
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Nimed Wed, Jun 23, 2010 5:45:56pm |
re: #185 Walter L. Newton
I wasn't talking to you... and let's keep it that way... ok?
I'm back. You still haven't replied to my comment.
What's wrong with iceweasel (or steve) giving their opinions on the meaning of the term "right-winger"? Or on whether it's fair to characterize your political positions as right-wing?
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albusteve Wed, Jun 23, 2010 5:46:15pm |
re: #198 palomino
First of all, Gohmert is retarded. He can't even pronounce Hitler, rhetoric, or similarly (although I'll admit the last one can be difficult.)
Second, who on the left is saying that we need a dictator? No one, so the Hitler analogy, as usual, falls flat.
Third, he didn't bully BP. They wanted this, since they know they're gonna have to pay anyway, and could use some good PR.
Finally, though, I guess we should give points to Gohmert, as he says, "I didn't vote for Obama, but I would vote for Thomas Sowell." Sowell is the author of the inane article Gohmert quotes, and a black man. Wow, he's so open minded and tolerant. I'm sure Gohmert also would have marched with MLK, just like his buddy Rand Paul.
how you doin?...got my disability all squared around, thought you'd like to know...and thanks for your generous support
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albusteve Wed, Jun 23, 2010 5:46:52pm |
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albusteve Wed, Jun 23, 2010 5:47:26pm |
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albusteve Wed, Jun 23, 2010 5:48:59pm |
I don't care what anybody calls me...it's all so juvenile
just don't call me Walter
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iceweasel Wed, Jun 23, 2010 5:48:59pm |
re: #192 albusteve
fuck you is an acceptable way to show contempt...as for name calling, which was the subject, I've never started that gig, not once...but you call me names you'll get it back in spades
Dude. Please. You do an extreme amount of name calling. Don't make people humiliate you further by linking to it.
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albusteve Wed, Jun 23, 2010 5:50:30pm |
re: #208 iceweasel
Dude. Please. You do an extreme amount of name calling. Don't make people humiliate you further by linking to it.
yes I have...I'm a counter puncher...but I guess you miss the point
I never said I didn't call people names....whoops!, pay attention
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Jun 23, 2010 5:51:04pm |
re: #203 Nimed
I'm back. You still haven't replied to my comment.
What's wrong with iceweasel (or steve) giving their opinions on the meaning of the term "right-winger"? Or on whether it's fair to characterize your political positions as right-wing?
Because I am not... I am socially VERY liberal, fiscally I am conservative... and I am more issue oriented than partisan position oriented... on some issues, I could scare you how liberal I can be. I am an atheist, I don't think ANYTHING mystical or magical should be taught in school... I could go on and on.
Right winger to me signifies the Alex Jones type, the Glenn Beck type, the Rush type... the idiot at the top of this thread type...
There is no way to put me in that narrow bucket of right winger... just won't work.
Supper BBIAB.
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McSpiff Wed, Jun 23, 2010 5:53:50pm |
re: #210 Walter L. Newton
Is there a difference between Wingnut and Right-winger for you?
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iceweasel Wed, Jun 23, 2010 5:56:45pm |
re: #211 McSpiff
Is there a difference between Wingnut and Right-winger for you?
Of course there is. Walter is being histrionic, on purpose, so the thread can turn into a new episode of the Walter show.
Really, you understand everything you need to know about Walter as a commenter when you remember that he is first last and always an actor.
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Jimmah Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:00:21pm |
re: #208 iceweasel
Dude. Please. You do an extreme amount of name calling. Don't make people humiliate you further by linking to it.
He actually had a go at someone for using too many ellipses in his posts a week or two ago. It was one of the funniest self-awareness fails I've ever seen on LGF :D
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Nimed Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:01:24pm |
re: #210 Walter L. Newton
Because I am not... I am socially VERY liberal, fiscally I am conservative... and I am more issue oriented than partisan position oriented... on some issues, I could scare you how liberal I can be. I am an atheist, I don't think ANYTHING mystical or magical should be taught in school... I could go on and on.
Right winger to me signifies the Alex Jones type, the Glenn Beck type, the Rush type... the idiot at the top of this thread type...
There is no way to put me in that narrow bucket of right winger... just won't work.
Supper BBIAB.
You're re-defining the term to exclude yourself. Glenn Reynolds or Grover Norquist hold similar positions to yours. I describe them as a right-wingers. So do many others. Do you object?
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brownbagj Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:03:27pm |
I have never consider myself "right wing" as I am very socially liberal and fiscally conservative. I would not consider the opposite to those positions to be left wing, would you? - Someone who is socially conservative and fiscally liberal? So, if the opposite of my views is not left wing, how can I be right wing?
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McSpiff Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:03:56pm |
re: #212 iceweasel
Of course there is. Walter is being histrionic, on purpose, so the thread can turn into a new episode of the Walter show.
Really, you understand everything you need to know about Walter as a commenter when you remember that he is first last and always an actor.
O I know, was just giving him enough rope to hang himself. Walter enjoys showing off for his betters. I thought that was clear enough ;-)
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iceweasel Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:07:04pm |
re: #218 iceweasel
hi there-- not at all. welcome.
To the thread, that should be. Thought you were new but you regged in 05.
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Nimed Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:07:35pm |
re: #215 brownbagj
I have never consider myself "right wing" as I am very socially liberal and fiscally conservative. I would not consider the opposite to those positions to be left wing, would you? - Someone who is socially conservative and fiscally liberal? So, if the opposite of my views is not left wing, how can I be right wing?
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
2 dimensions still fail to capture a lot of stuff, among them the hawk-dove continuum of attitudes toward foreign policy, but there you go. You are still a right-winger!
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brownbagj Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:08:45pm |
re: #219 iceweasel
Still sort of new. I have not had many chances to involve myself, and often just lurk to learn. Many smart people are here and I have been taught that I have two ears and one mouth - so use them in the proportion. :)
I have decided to get a little more involved now that I have some more "me" time every now and again.
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brownbagj Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:09:55pm |
re: #220 Nimed
Drats. Might as well make the best of it. Who can I call Hitler?
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Cato the Elder Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:11:12pm |
So, where's Elektra?
Did she meet her daddy?
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brownbagj Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:12:30pm |
Seriously though, there may be a text book definition of right wing, but often that term is meant to mean something else - as in nut or extreme right. I consider myself pretty left socially (gay marriage etc) but fiscally conservative (small government, low taxes etc).
If that is text book right wing so be it, but I think categorizing people like me with such a broad brush can lose the middle ground this country desperately needs.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:13:34pm |
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:13:53pm |
re: #214 Nimed
You're re-defining the term to exclude yourself. Glenn Reynolds or Grover Norquist hold similar positions to yours. I describe them as a right-wingers. So do many others. Do you object?
I thought that right winger referred to the far right? At least that's how I've seen the term used. I may be mistaken then, but I'm not sure how right wing describe someone who leans to either side depending on the issue.
Because I have ANY conservative positions, then I'm right wing?
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albusteve Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:19:08pm |
winger flinger ding dong
who could give a fuck....there are more important debates, like who tweeted what today
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Nimed Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:19:44pm |
re: #226 Walter L. Newton
I thought that right winger referred to the far right? At least that's how I've seen the term used. I may be mistaken then, but I'm not sure how right wing describe someone who leans to either side depending on the issue.
Because I have ANY conservative positions, then I'm right wing?
Let me answer that with a question. The Cato Institute is a libertarian think-tank. They are usually placed firmly in the right-wing side of the political spectrum. Ayn Rand is another example -- atheist, socially liberal, but her politics are usually classified as right-wing. Do you disagree?
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brownbagj Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:20:23pm |
So, I went through the graph, then looked at some of the metrics underneath it and it seems your answer is not so clear cut. I may be fiscally right wing (libertarian right) but I am equally left wing socially (libertarian left).
You cannot possibly categorize someone like me as right wing, unless you are doing it based on only one dimension. That seems tremendously short sighted, and does not serve either of us well.
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iceweasel Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:24:11pm |
re: #229 brownbagj
So, I went through the graph, then looked at some of the metrics underneath it and it seems your answer is not so clear cut. I may be fiscally right wing (libertarian right) but I am equally left wing socially (libertarian left).
You cannot possibly categorize someone like me as right wing, unless you are doing it based on only one dimension. That seems tremendously short sighted, and does not serve either of us well.
Well, the issue wasn't about whether you or someone like you falls into the 'right wing' category, but specifically about Walter's feigned outrage over being termed a right winger.
We've had discussions here before about the political compass and the linear model not being the best way to categorise people such as yourself.
Probably the deciding factor would be what you mean by fiscally conservative-- what sorts of programs you would cut or fund and why.
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Nimed Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:24:56pm |
re: #229 brownbagj
So, I went through the graph, then looked at some of the metrics underneath it and it seems your answer is not so clear cut. I may be fiscally right wing (libertarian right) but I am equally left wing socially (libertarian left).
You're misreading the graph. If you're conservative in economics and socially liberal, that would place you in the libertarian right. Check the original article, or this entry
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
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brownbagj Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:27:12pm |
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:27:13pm |
I'd call myself fiscally conservative, but my main issues are crime, defense and foreign policy. I'm not really a so-con, though I have a strong preference for social stability.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:29:52pm |
re: #228 Nimed
Let me answer that with a question. The Cato Institute is a libertarian think-tank. They are usually placed firmly in the right-wing side of the political spectrum. Ayn Rand is another example -- atheist, socially liberal, but her politics are usually classified as right-wing. Do you disagree?
You never answered my question. If I have ANY conservative positions, then I am right wing according to you?
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brownbagj Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:29:52pm |
re: #231 Nimed
So, by this graph (and it seems many disagree with its actual usefulness and I am starting to be one of them), I am right wing. But, when right wingers are derided on this site and others, are you usually meaning wingnuts and not socially liberal, fiscally conservative people?
I would hope so, because if not, it would seem to alienate people that agree with you on a lot of issues.
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brownbagj Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:32:13pm |
To my point, the little I know of Walter, he seems to have fiscally conservative values on economics and liberal values on social issues.
I would not peg him as right wing, and I have no dog in that fight...
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iceweasel Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:33:35pm |
re: #235 brownbagj
So, by this graph (and it seems many disagree with its actual usefulness and I am starting to be one of them), I am right wing. But, when right wingers are derided on this site and others, are you usually meaning wingnuts and not socially liberal, fiscally conservative people?
I would hope so, because if not, it would seem to alienate people that agree with you on a lot of issues.
The derision is all for the wingnuts, not normal people on the right (i.e., right winger). We're anti-idiotarian.
The problem for the people on the right of late is that their party leadership has lost its mind.
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brownbagj Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:34:57pm |
re: #237 iceweasel
Recently lost their minds? I would disagree with that. I think it has been happening for a good 20 years or so.
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Nimed Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:36:11pm |
re: #235 brownbagj
So, by this graph (and it seems many disagree with its actual usefulness and I am starting to be one of them), I am right wing. But, when right wingers are derided on this site and others, are you usually meaning wingnuts and not socially liberal, fiscally conservative people?
I would hope so, because if not, it would seem to alienate people that agree with you on a lot of issues.
As I understand it, right-wing politics are not derided per se on LGF. What is criticized is the fact that the GOP (which, let's agree here, is a right wing party) has taken a turn
Ok, just updated the comments, and ice has answered the question.
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iceweasel Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:37:33pm |
re: #233 Dark_Falcon
I'd call myself fiscally conservative, but my main issues are crime, defense and foreign policy. I'm not really a so-con, though I have a strong preference for social stability.
Yeah, you're a conservative and hawkish (not an insult, trying to charcterise the strong on defense part), but not a socon or any sort of wingnut.
There's really a lot more overlap between what we term left and right wing than can usually be captured by these labels. I'd describe myself as very liberal on social issues, but you and i tend to agree more often than not, and in the areas where we disagree we have good and productive discussions (imo).
I still say there would be room for a third party that takes the best ideologies of right and left-- the current system forces a false polarisation.
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Nimed Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:38:08pm |
re: #234 Walter L. Newton
You never answered my question. If I have ANY conservative positions, then I am right wing according to you?
If you have ANY conservative positions? No. Your turn. Cutting and pasting
The Cato Institute is a libertarian think-tank. They are usually placed firmly in the right-wing side of the political spectrum. Ayn Rand is another example -- atheist, socially liberal, but her politics are usually classified as right-wing. Do you disagree?
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brownbagj Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:41:47pm |
I guess my concern comes in when I read quotes like the "right wing has gone mad" etc, and then I am called right wing, and I have not gone mad at all. The wingnuts on the right have gone mad, but many people just like me are right where we have always been.
Sound fiscal policies and social freedom.
The GOP has a faction that has gone nuts, and it may be a large faction, but "right wingers" like me, by the definition that is being used have not.
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Nimed Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:44:52pm |
re: #236 brownbagj
To my point, the little I know of Walter, he seems to have fiscally conservative values on economics and liberal values on social issues.
I would not peg him as right wing, and I have no dog in that fight...
Remember that both parties are theoretically "fiscally conservative", in the sense that both defend balanced budgets on the long run (Democrats favor deficit spending during recessions, so they are not fiscally conservative in that sense).
A more productive debate would have us discuss the whole positive vs negative rights dichotomy, but this would mean a much longer discussion.
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Decatur Deb Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:45:45pm |
re: #241 iceweasel
Yeah, you're a conservative and hawkish (not an insult, trying to charcterise the strong on defense part), but not a socon or any sort of wingnut.
There's really a lot more overlap between what we term left and right wing than can usually be captured by these labels. I'd describe myself as very liberal on social issues, but you and i tend to agree more often than not, and in the areas where we disagree we have good and productive discussions (imo).
I still say there would be room for a third party that takes the best ideologies of right and left-- the current system forces a false polarisation.
We need to do some work on a Lizard consensus glossary if we're going to avoid the misunderstanding that's in play. How far from the imaginary political center do the "wings" start? I tended to think they started very close to the center as soon as someone self-identified as Right- or Left-wing. Thus, neither term carried the negative sense of extremity. The last few comments show that is a little too simple.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:46:17pm |
re: #241 iceweasel
Yeah, you're a conservative and hawkish (not an insult, trying to charcterise the strong on defense part), but not a socon or any sort of wingnut.
There's really a lot more overlap between what we term left and right wing than can usually be captured by these labels. I'd describe myself as very liberal on social issues, but you and i tend to agree more often than not, and in the areas where we disagree we have good and productive discussions (imo).
I still say there would be room for a third party that takes the best ideologies of right and left-- the current system forces a false polarisation.
I hear you, and I thank you for the appraisal of me. My qualm is the 3rd party, which I consider an unlikely thing. The system is shaped around two parties, and a 3rd party would be too much of an adjustment, IMO. But then, I do have preference for stability and it does affect my judgment.
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iceweasel Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:47:29pm |
re: #243 brownbagj
I guess my concern comes in when I read quotes like the "right wing has gone mad" etc, and then I am called right wing, and I have not gone mad at all. The wingnuts on the right have gone mad, but many people just like me are right where we have always been.
Sound fiscal policies and social freedom.
The GOP has a faction that has gone nuts, and it may be a large faction, but "right wingers" like me, by the definition that is being used have not.
Then you need to take back your party, and the first step to doing that is being able to criticise it.
It doesn't matter how many people on the right are decent and sane if the nuts are in charge-- just like it didn't matter how many anti-Iraq war people were decent and sane when the nuts among us were in charge.
It isn't a personal attack on everyone who tends to vote for right leaning candidates to point out that the party as it is now is dominated by the crazy, nor should it be perceived as such.
(that is exactly the sort of misunderstanding and controversy Walter has been hoping to stir up tonight, btw.)
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brownbagj Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:47:57pm |
re: #244 Nimed
Remember that both parties are theoretically "fiscally conservative", in the sense that both defend balanced budgets on the long run (Democrats favor deficit spending during recessions, so they are not fiscally conservative in that sense).
A more productive debate would have us discuss the whole positive vs negative rights dichotomy, but this would mean a much longer discussion.
Very true. Thank you for the discussion!
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brownbagj Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:49:22pm |
re: #247 iceweasel
Then you need to take back your party, and the first step to doing that is being able to criticise it.
It doesn't matter how many people on the right are decent and sane if the nuts are in charge-- just like it didn't matter how many anti-Iraq war people were decent and sane when the nuts among us were in charge.
It isn't a personal attack on everyone who tends to vote for right leaning candidates to point out that the party as it is now is dominated by the crazy, nor should it be perceived as such.(that is exactly the sort of misunderstanding and controversy Walter has been hoping to stir up tonight, btw.)
I wish I could take back the party, but I have no idea how to do it. It seems you can start out with a mid-stream candidate, but once they get elected they go nuts with the rest of the party.
BTW, I have NO PROBLEM criticizing the GOP as I do it most every day.
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iceweasel Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:49:55pm |
re: #246 Dark_Falcon
I hear you, and I thank you for the appraisal of me. My qualm is the 3rd party, which I consider an unlikely thing. The system is shaped around two parties, and a 3rd party would be too much of an adjustment, IMO. But then, I do have preference for stability and it does affect my judgment.
Oh yeah, I don't see it happening at all. In an ideal world, though....
(hey, i AM a leftie after all.)
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brownbagj Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:53:18pm |
re: #250 iceweasel
You crazy left winger! You are all nuts over there!
//
Hit post too soon on 251...
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Nekama Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:56:44pm |
How does someone who goes by "Louie" ever get elected in the first place.
Especially in Texas.
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Nekama Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:00:25pm |
re: #253 Nekama
How does someone who goes by "Louie" ever get elected in the first place?
I was punctuationally challenged.
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Nimed Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:01:24pm |
re: #226 Walter L. Newton
Walter?
Hello?
Is there anybody in there?
Just nod if you can hear me.
Is there anyone home?
Waiting for a response to 242
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brownbagj Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:04:46pm |
re: #255 Nimed
Walter?
Hello?
Is there anybody in there?
Just nod if you can hear me.
Is there anyone home?
[Video]Waiting for a response to 242
I may have stepped in on the discussion you two were having. Sorry if so.
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Nekama Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:05:01pm |
re: #243 brownbagj
I guess my concern comes in when I read quotes like the "right wing has gone mad" etc, and then I am called right wing, and I have not gone mad at all. The wingnuts on the right have gone mad, but many people just like me are right where we have always been.
Sound fiscal policies and social freedom.
The GOP has a faction that has gone nuts, and it may be a large faction, but "right wingers" like me, by the definition that is being used have not.
Agree completely.
As bad as some of what we see in the GOP is, what we see on the other side - bigger government, even bigger deficits, abandoning our allies and sucking up to our enemies (and losing the respect of both), etc., - is even worse.
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Nimed Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:08:31pm |
re: #256 brownbagj
What? No, your inputs are much appreciated.
However, if you are physically restricting Walter from replying to my question, I would ask you to please stop. :)
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Decatur Deb Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:11:09pm |
re: #256 brownbagj
I may have stepped in on the discussion you two were having. Sorry if so.
Comments are public. You would only be invited out of a stupidly heated one-on-one.
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brownbagj Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:11:14pm |
re: #258 Nimed
Ok, I loosened the rope. Walter is free to discuss.
I am making some popcorn. Hopefully I won't be making it in vain.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:12:12pm |
re: #257 Nekama
Agree completely.
As bad as some of what we see in the GOP is, what we see on the other side - bigger government, even bigger deficits, abandoning our allies and sucking up to our enemies (and losing the respect of both), etc., - is even worse.
Agreed. That's why I cannot turn my back on the Republican party. I seek it reformed, because if the Democrats are the only sane party America is hosed.
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brownbagj Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:13:24pm |
re: #259 Decatur Deb
Comments are public. You would only be invited out of a stupidly heated one-on-one.
It seemed they weer warming up to have a go at each other, but I sort of jumped in asking all sorts of valid questions. :)
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brownbagj Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:15:29pm |
Will check back in a bit....
Thanks again for the discussion. Gotta get three kids under six asleep somehow (legally).
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Nekama Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:18:34pm |
re: #261 Dark_Falcon
Agreed. That's why I cannot turn my back on the Republican party. I seek it reformed, because if the Democrats are the only sane party America is hosed.
That is what animates the Tea Partiers. I've been to several rallies (NY, NJ, PA) and have seen an overwhelming desire for what I'd refer to as basic libertarianism: less government, less taxes, strong on defense, and keep out of our private lives and bedrooms.
The Socons are no more welcome than the Progs.
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iceweasel Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:18:44pm |
re: #261 Dark_Falcon
Agreed. That's why I cannot turn my back on the Republican party. I seek it reformed, because if the Democrats are the only sane party America is hosed.
Not fair. Everyone sane (and not hyper partisan) wants the GOP to get a grip. You can't have a democracy with only one viable party. Even someone like me wants the GOP to get a grip (but that's because I'm not partisan so much as ideological.)
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iceweasel Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:19:16pm |
re: #264 Nekama
That is what animates the Tea Partiers. I've been to several rallies (NY, NJ, PA) and have seen an overwhelming desire for what I'd refer to as basic libertarianism: less government, less taxes, strong on defense, and keep out of our private lives and bedrooms.
The Socons are no more welcome than the Progs.
What's a 'prog'?
I know it as a term on stalker sites.
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Nekama Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:21:02pm |
re: #263 brownbagj
Will check back in a bit...
Thanks again for the discussion. Gotta get three kids under six asleep somehow (legally).
Good luck. I'd put 'em in their jammies and drive 'em around a bit.
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Nekama Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:22:20pm |
re: #266 iceweasel
"Progressives". A less loaded term than "Liberal".
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Nekama Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:24:38pm |
Heading upstairs. Might stop for a cocktail on my way.
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iceweasel Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:25:28pm |
re: #268 Nekama
"Progressives". A less loaded term than "Liberal".
Oh really? So you think 'progressive' just = liberal?
You'd be wrong about that too.
Most people who use the term 'prog' are 1) stalkers, and 2) using it to mean "anyone who is a dem, on the left, and or voted for Obama'.
So, this would be another area where you don't know what you're talking about.
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Nimed Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:32:11pm |
re: #264 Nekama
That is what animates the Tea Partiers. I've been to several rallies (NY, NJ, PA) and have seen an overwhelming desire for what I'd refer to as basic libertarianism: less government, less taxes, strong on defense, and keep out of our private lives and bedrooms.
The Socons are no more welcome than the Progs.
I think you're projecting a lot here. I haven't seen much "strong on defense, and keep out of our private lives and bedrooms" in the Tea Parties. Not much "less taxes" either. Even granting that the racism messages in the Tea Parties are due to the proverbial few bad apples, I've seen mostly "less spending", but without specifying what to cut, and "repeal ObamaCare".
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Charles Johnson Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:32:42pm |
re: #264 Nekama
The Socons are no more welcome than the Progs.
That is complete nonsense. The social conservatives are in charge of the tea party movement, lock, stock, and barrel. I can't believe you're trying to float that BS here.
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Nimed Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:33:05pm |
re: #268 Nekama
"Progressives". A less loaded term than "Liberal".
"Prog" is a less loaded word than "liberal"?
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iceweasel Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:34:05pm |
re: #271 Nimed
I think you're projecting a lot here.
A very nice and polite way to say "You're pulling this out of your ass and yes, it stinks".
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Decatur Deb Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:36:12pm |
re: #273 Nimed
"Prog" is a less loaded word than "liberal"?
I noticed many liberals started to use it when Newt and Co. had virtually turned 'Liberal' into profanity. I call myself 'Liberal', but the difference isn't significant to me.
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iceweasel Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:37:00pm |
re: #273 Nimed
"Prog" is a less loaded word than "liberal"?
The wingnut fantasy is that 'progressive' means the same as liberal, and that trickse liberals just use the word 'progressive' because...uh, yeah, it kinda breaks down there.
As well as displaying a total lack of knowledge about all politics on the left, the election in 2008, etc.
Then again, check the profile. Someone who says those things about Islam and 'liberal scum' is not the sharpest tool in the shed-- although most certainly a tool.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:41:46pm |
re: #276 iceweasel
Let's take this upstairs, Ice. I've got a reply, but I's rather post it on the current thread.
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iceweasel Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:46:01pm |
re: #277 Dark_Falcon
Let's take this upstairs, Ice. I've got a reply, but I's rather post it on the current thread.
Nah, if it's a fight-y kind of comment, better not to drag it into the active thread and ruin everyone's night.
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Nimed Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:53:53pm |
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Jimmah Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:56:53pm |
re: #264 Nekama
That is what animates the Tea Partiers. I've been to several rallies (NY, NJ, PA) and have seen an overwhelming desire for what I'd refer to as basic libertarianism: less government, less taxes, strong on defense, and keep out of our private lives and bedrooms.
The Socons are no more welcome than the Progs.
So what about, for example, all the anti-abortionists that are all over the tea party movement? You are just blatantly lying.
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iceweasel Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:08:16pm |
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Nekama Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:14:29pm |
re: #272 Charles
That is complete nonsense. The social conservatives are in charge of the tea party movement, lock, stock, and barrel. I can't believe you're trying to float that BS here.
Yes, you are right. Socons do dominate. Not as so much so here in the Northeast, where I believe social conservatism is not as much as the animator of tea party activism as is a desire for less government, but they are certainly the biggest players.
I was projecting my reason for interest in the Tea Party movement. I was wrong. My bad. Mea Culpa.
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Nimed Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:17:38pm |
re: #281 iceweasel
Heh. You mean he doesn't like his own medicine?
There's a Sesame Street Muppet Theatre doing Waiting for Elmo, btw:[Video]
LOL :D
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palomino Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:20:37pm |
re: #204 albusteve
how you doin?...got my disability all squared around, thought you'd like to know...and thanks for your generous support
Good, how are you? As for the rest, I think you have me confused with someone else. I've never discussed your disability with you or anyone else, and I've never generously supported you in any way. Good luck finding whatever person you're thinking of.
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Jimmah Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:25:36pm |
re: #282 Nekama
Yes, you are right. Socons do dominate. Not as so much so here in the Northeast, where I believe social conservatism is not as much as the animator of tea party activism as is a desire for less government, but they are certainly the biggest players.
I was projecting my reason for interest in the Tea Party movement. I was wrong. My bad. Mea Culpa.
Do you often have this much trouble telling the difference between reality and what you would like to be the case?
Study this - it may help in future:
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RadicalModerate Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:36:16pm |
Par for the course for Gohmert.
He's an unapologetic "birther" and was one of the cosponsors of the "Birther Bill" from last year.
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Nekama Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:46:16pm |
re: #285 Jimmah
Do you often have this much trouble telling the difference between reality and what you would like to be the case?
The reality among those attending Tea Party rallies in the Northeast is that big deficits, big spending and increasing taxes are far greater concerns than social issues. We don't see anti-abortion signs nearly as much as those opposing larger government or spending money we don't have.
In NYC even Republican Giuliani favored being a "sanctuary" city. Priorities can be different in this part of the country.
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Pacificlady Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:34:59pm |
Obama's not Hitler. Obama is just incompetent, period. I used to say the US could withstand four years of his presidency, now I am not sure. He sold the US people snake oil, and they brought it.
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Nekama Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:44:17pm |
re: #288 Pacificlady
Obama's not Hitler. Obama is just incompetent, period. I used to say the US could withstand four years of his presidency, now I am not sure. He sold the US people snake oil, and they brought it.
Very true about Obama. But my feelings about our ability to withstand his presidency are quite the opposite. Ifthe Dems lose their majorities in Congress come November that will significantly reduce his ability to cause harm.
And reasonable people, not just the far right, are on to him. The elections in Virginia, New Jersey, Massachusetts, and even Spector's loss in PA indicate that the bloom is severely off the rose.
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