Pamela Geller Salivates Over the Coming Civil War

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The latest freakish fantasy to sweep through the right wing blogs like a forest fire of stupid is the out-of-nowhere rumor that President Obama is planning to grant amnesty to millions of illegal aliens by executive order!

Ahhh! Ahhh! We’re doomed! [Run around screaming…]

The source for this latest outrageous outrage is … nothing. No, really, nothing. There’s no source, and absolutely no evidence that such a plan is under way. No article, no bill in Congress, no offhand remark from an administration official, nothing. It’s a rumor being spread by far right loons like Orrin “Drug Test The Unemployed” Hatch and James “God Wouldn’t Let Climate Change Happen” Inhofe. That’s it. Nothing else.

So, of course, popular right wing blogger (and writer for Newsmax, World Net Daily, and Human Events) Pamela “Shrieking Harpy” Geller is predicting BLOOD ON THE STREETS! She can hardly wait.

Quoth the harpy:

If the king decrees that all illegals will be granted amnesty, I can assure you that America will not go quietly. If you recall the last time partial amnesty was broached under the Bush administration (when both parties actually worked together), millions took to the streets and voted it down — and that was before the phenomenon known as the “tea parties.”

It is increasingly clear that the most divisive President in history is itching for a civil war. And at the rate he is going, he is going to get one — if he continues to ignore the will of the American people.

As I write, Geller is shopping at Gucci for an AK47. Gold-plated, with rhinestones.

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941 comments
1 darthstar  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 5:51:35pm

Wouldn't Geller be happier with a Hello Kitty AK-47?

2 wrenchwench  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 5:51:49pm
The source for this latest outrageous outrage is … nothing. No, really, nothing. There’s no source. No article, no bill in Congress, no offhand remark from an administration official, nothing.

Zen Outrageous Outrage.

3 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 5:52:15pm

She might try shopping with Uday Hussein, who also loved gold-plated Kalashnikovs. She also shares his love of violence.

/Oh yeah, that's right. We blew Uday's worthless ass away in 2003.

4 darthstar  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 5:53:04pm

re: #3 Dark_Falcon

She might try shopping with Uday Hussein, who also loved gold-plated Kalashnikovs. She also shares his love of violence.

/Oh yeah, that's right. We blew Uday's worthless ass away in 2003.

With a name like Uday, can you really blame us?

5 albusteve  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 5:54:52pm

FIX BAYONETS!

6 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 5:55:14pm

low hanging intellectual fruit ...

7 Gus  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 5:55:47pm

Putting 12 million currently illegal residents on a path to citizenship sounds like a fine idea to me. This was even supported by former President Bush and Senator John McCain alongside Senator Ted Kennedy.

Immigration reform without amnesty will not and should not ever happen.

8 albusteve  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 5:56:17pm

Stonewall Geller rides again!

9 wrenchwench  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 5:56:44pm
This time according to the scuttlebutt,

Hey, they got scuttlebutt! That's worth something, right? Right???//?

The rumor is so fierce

It's fierce!!1!

/I do like the second comment over there.

10 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 5:57:03pm

re: #7 Gus 802

Putting 12 million currently illegal residents on a path to citizenship sounds like a fine idea to me. This was even supported by former President Bush and Senator John McCain alongside Senator Ted Kennedy.

Immigration reform without SOME FORM OF amnesty will not and should not ever happen.

11 Gus  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 5:57:34pm

re: #10 _RememberTonyC

Details, details. Thanks.

12 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 5:58:02pm

Is the term "Rage Girl" already taken?

13 darthstar  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 5:58:14pm

re: #6 _RememberTonyC

low hanging intellectual fruit ...

Picture of Pamela Geller facing reality

14 albusteve  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 5:58:20pm

re: #7 Gus 802

Putting 12 million currently illegal residents on a path to citizenship sounds like a fine idea to me. This was even supported by former President Bush and Senator John McCain alongside Senator Ted Kennedy.

Immigration reform without amnesty will not and should not ever happen.

where did you get the 12m figure from?...sounds a tad low, but I'm into paths, that's the way it has to be in my humble opinion....most Americans are going to freak when the 'amnesty' issue comes up

15 Digital Display  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 5:58:43pm

It is increasingly clear that the most divisive President in history is itching for a civil war. And at the rate he is going, he is going to get one

huh? excuse me Pam..We Americans Vote and don't repeat civil wars...You are a 140 years too late...Which is a Shame..They would have loved you back then...

16 Gus  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 5:59:47pm

re: #14 albusteve

where did you get the 12m figure from?...sounds a tad low, but I'm into paths, that's the way it has to be in my humble opinion...most Americans are going to freak when the 'amnesty' issue comes up

It's from the Yid with Lid blog.

17 albusteve  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 5:59:55pm

re: #13 darthstar

Picture of Pamela Geller facing reality

fer fucks sake...I had kitty burnout a year ago

18 albusteve  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:01:06pm

re: #16 Gus 802

It's from the Yid with Lid blog.

OTOH I've heard it as high as 25m...but then that sounds too high....we'll never know I guess

19 darthstar  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:01:09pm

Pamela Gellar can do this (not safe for work*, or for people with children present*) (opens in new window)

* or people offended by rubber penises

20 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:01:29pm

re: #13 darthstar

Picture of Pamela Geller facing reality


she looks different ... new hair do, maybe?

21 darthstar  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:01:30pm

re: #17 albusteve

fer fucks sake...I had kitty burnout a year ago

Then you'll not want to click on 19

22 The Left  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:01:39pm

Pammycakes.

Might have to make a trip over there to mock her.

23 albusteve  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:01:52pm

re: #15 HoosierHoops

It is increasingly clear that the most divisive President in history is itching for a civil war. And at the rate he is going, he is going to get one

huh? excuse me Pam..We Americans Vote and don't repeat civil wars...You are a 140 years too late...Which is a Shame..They would have loved you back then...

Gellers march to the sea!....wook ouwt

24 Mocking Jay  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:02:19pm

Good evening, LGF. It really sucks to sit in a noisy waiting room for 3 hours only to hear that it wasn't successful. :( At least things haven't gotten worse.

25 Gus  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:02:29pm

re: #18 albusteve

OTOH I've heard it as high as 25m...but then that sounds too high...we'll never know I guess

The right way would be to create a test whereby people could qualify for amnesty based on something like a points system.

26 albusteve  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:02:34pm

re: #21 darthstar

Then you'll not want to click on 19

heh...thanks for the warning
KITTEH ALERT!

27 freetoken  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:03:16pm

re: #24 JasonA

Sorry to hear that. I hope things get better.

28 Digital Display  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:03:45pm

re: #24 JasonA

Good evening, LGF. It really sucks to sit in a noisy waiting room for 3 hours only to hear that it wasn't successful. :( At least things haven't gotten worse.

What? What's up Jason?

29 Gus  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:03:57pm

re: #24 JasonA

Good evening, LGF. It really sucks to sit in a noisy waiting room for 3 hours only to hear that it wasn't successful. :( At least things haven't gotten worse.

What happened?

30 darthstar  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:04:00pm

re: #24 JasonA

Good evening, LGF. It really sucks to sit in a noisy waiting room for 3 hours only to hear that it wasn't successful. :( At least things haven't gotten worse.

Hey Jason...Still thinking positive thoughts for your mom.

31 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:05:42pm

I also answer The Harpy with this song:

32 Mocking Jay  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:05:59pm

re: #29 Gus 802

What happened?

Very poor circulation due to a hematoma and they tried a stent. Or at least that's what I thought I heard the doctor say. Didn't work, in any event, so they'll have to do something else about that. The hip surgery is up next, though. That's tomorrow.

33 albusteve  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:06:13pm

re: #25 Gus 802

The right way would be to create a test whereby people could qualify for amnesty based on something like a points system.

maybe, there are many ideas that need to be floated...chunk out the problem and try to deal with it in steps?....it's a massive thing and I don't trust congress to put together some vast, sweeping legislation that works for everybody, but we all need some relief, citizens and aliens both

34 albusteve  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:06:56pm

re: #32 JasonA

Very poor circulation due to a hematoma and they tried a stent. Or at least that's what I thought I heard the doctor say. Didn't work, in any event, so they'll have to do something else about that. The hip surgery is up next, though. That's tomorrow.

where is the hemotoma if I may ask?

35 researchok  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:07:23pm

We've come full circle. What we have here is a call for RAHOWA, all in the name of a free America.

I need a gin and tonic.

36 Gus  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:07:44pm

re: #32 JasonA

Very poor circulation due to a hematoma and they tried a stent. Or at least that's what I thought I heard the doctor say. Didn't work, in any event, so they'll have to do something else about that. The hip surgery is up next, though. That's tomorrow.

Damn. I hope the next procedure works out.

BRB

37 Mocking Jay  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:07:47pm

re: #34 albusteve

where is the hemotoma if I may ask?

In her leg, I think. Sorry, thoughts are a little foggy today.

38 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:08:10pm

re: #35 researchok

We've come full circle. What we have here is a call for RAHOWA, all in the name of a free America.

I need a gin and tonic.

RAcial HOly WAr, correct?

39 albusteve  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:08:46pm

re: #35 researchok

We've come full circle. What we have here is a call for RAHOWA, all in the name of a free America.

I need a gin and tonic.

what's that?

40 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:08:50pm

Every day I drive to the freeway passed this certain house. They have a huge Minuteman flag on his fence, a huge American flag a-flying, signs both handwritten and printed about illegals, patriots and the tea party. The handwritten ones you are lucky to be able to read if you are at the right place on a red light.

Dude's fortress is in the middle of a barrio, right next to the bus stop and trolley. I can't help but laugh every day at his misery as I drive by. I cannot imagine what is happening inside his gate (yes, big locked gate enclosing tiny driveway & yard) all I can imagine is some crazy anger.

41 researchok  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:09:00pm

re: #38 Dark_Falcon

RAcial HOly WAr, correct?

Bingo.

42 Digital Display  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:09:19pm

re: #37 JasonA

In her leg, I think. Sorry, thoughts are a little foggy today.

Can I add your mom to the Lizard prayer list?

43 Mocking Jay  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:09:30pm

re: #40 Stanley Sea

Past. :P

44 Mocking Jay  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:09:46pm

re: #42 HoosierHoops

Can I add your mom to the Lizard prayer list?

If you wish.

45 albusteve  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:09:59pm

re: #37 JasonA

In her leg, I think. Sorry, thoughts are a little foggy today.

there are other options and it's not life threatening....be cool, it will turn out okay

46 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:10:25pm

this is a nice piece on Obama's popularity (or lack of) in the middle east.

[Link: rubinreports.blogspot.com...]

it gets one thing right. in the islamic world, force equals power and control. and if some in that region see us as "backing off," whether we intend to back off or not, it's not good on any level. it endangers our friends in the region, including many Arabs, Muslims, and Christians.

47 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:10:31pm

re: #32 JasonA

Very poor circulation due to a hematoma and they tried a stent. Or at least that's what I thought I heard the doctor say. Didn't work, in any event, so they'll have to do something else about that. The hip surgery is up next, though. That's tomorrow.

Hang in there the best you can. We are all thinking of you and your Mom. Whatever we can do.....

48 Mocking Jay  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:11:07pm

re: #42 HoosierHoops

Can I add your mom to the Lizard prayer list?

I should confess, though.. She's not a fan of LGF. In fact, she likes (coincidentally enough) the harpy and visits her site often.

49 freetoken  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:11:33pm

re: #46 _RememberTonyC

Well, I down dinged it in the Pages. I thought it was rather idiotic.

50 Digital Display  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:11:35pm

re: #44 JasonA

If you wish.

We are pulling for your mom..Hang in there..
Kind Regards

51 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:11:48pm

re: #39 albusteve

what's that?

re: #38 Dark_Falcon

RAcial HOly WAr, correct?

52 Michael McBacon  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:12:05pm

That photo of PG is hilarious. Where did it come from?

53 albusteve  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:12:33pm

re: #46 _RememberTonyC

this is a nice piece on Obama's popularity (or lack of) in the middle east.

[Link: rubinreports.blogspot.com...]

it gets one thing right. in the islamic world, force equals power and control. and if some in that region see us as "backing off," whether we intend to back off or not, it's not good on any level. it endangers our friends in the region, including many Arabs, Muslims, and Christians.

in other words our foreign policy in the ME sucks

54 researchok  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:12:38pm

re: #38 Dark_Falcon

RAcial HOly WAr, correct?

It is stunning that a supposedly pro Israel Zionist could be so far off the moral mark.

On second thought, more tragic than stunning. Her marginal remarks and ideas are what gave Durbin the platform they needed.

55 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:13:00pm

re: #49 freetoken

Well, I down dinged it in the Pages. I thought it was rather idiotic.

it isn't 100% gospel, but it does point out how power is perceived in that region.

56 albusteve  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:13:12pm

re: #49 freetoken

Well, I down dinged it in the Pages. I thought it was rather idiotic.

why?

57 Varek Raith  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:13:24pm

re: #48 JasonA

I should confess, though.. She's not a fan of LGF. In fact, she likes (coincidentally enough) the harpy and visits her site often.

If it makes ya feel better, my dad is a huge Beck fan.

58 Mocking Jay  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:13:54pm

re: #57 Varek Raith

If it makes ya feel better, my dad is a huge Beck fan.

My mom suffers from stage 3 ODS, I think...

59 Mocking Jay  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:14:23pm

re: #57 Varek Raith

If it makes ya feel better, my dad is a huge Beck fan.


And no, it doesn't make me feel better. :P

60 albusteve  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:14:25pm

re: #58 JasonA

My mom suffers from stage 3 ODS, I think...

always listen to your mother

61 researchok  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:15:11pm

re: #54 researchok

To clarify: Her remarks and ideas are the kind that gave life to the Zionism is racism meme.

62 darthstar  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:15:24pm

re: #57 Varek Raith

If it makes ya feel better, my dad is a huge Beck fan.

My dad's a birther. Ugh.

63 Digital Display  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:16:59pm

re: #48 JasonA

I should confess, though.. She's not a fan of LGF. In fact, she likes (coincidentally enough) the harpy and visits her site often.

I'm Sure the Good Lord doesn't care what web site she blogs on...(Jason's mom hates me!)
We'll say a prayer to keep you strong this Sunday Morning...

64 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:17:01pm

Also at Geller's hate-hole today, this amazing statement:

"I believe I'm fighting for Muslims here," she said. "I have no problem with Muslims."

65 Cato the Elder  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:17:28pm

It's not the rhinestones on the gun that count, it's the ones on the bullet.

66 researchok  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:17:53pm

re: #64 Charles

Also at Geller's hate-hole today, this amazing statement:

Perhaps you ought to introduce her to Mr Payne of T/S.

67 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:18:10pm

re: #54 researchok

It is stunning that a supposedly pro Israel Zionist could be so far off the moral mark.

On second thought, more tragic than stunning. Her marginal remarks and ideas are what gave Durbin the platform they needed.

It's not tragic. A tragic figure possesses some good qualities, Geller has none these days. Her actions are more pathetic than tragic.

68 darthstar  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:19:41pm

OT (but this IS a Geller thread): I'm cooking a big-assed bone-in rib-eye, and it smells awesome...but I plan to let it cool, then slice it thinly for a Thai Beef Salad I'm making for dinner.

69 Macha  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:19:55pm

re: #34 albusteve

where is the hemotoma if I may ask?

It is a pool of blood in the tissues from internal bleeding.

70 albusteve  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:20:33pm

Gellers Hate Hole
I like it
where's Bob?

71 CuriousLurker  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:20:56pm

Reposting from downstairs as it seems more relevant here. For the record, this is not just snark—I really am puzzled.

********

What I can't quite wrap my head around is how some people maintain a state of what appears to be near apoplectic hate & rage 24x7. How can it NOT be utterly psychologically & spiritually debilitating to work yourself up into such snarling, lathering fits several times a day?

It seems like a lot of work... like you have to wake up in the morning and actively seek the negative, then keep at it throughout the day. And what about when you lie in bed at night? What manner of foul thoughts writhe around in your mind, clawing & snapping at one another in an effort to predominate?

I know I'm being kind of melodramatic here, but sheesh I really have a hard time comprehending the appeal of such things. Some of these folks seem to almost enjoy being enraged, and I get the distinct feeling that they look forward to possible confrontation & violence (and all the suffering it would bring) with a sparkly-eyed sort of glee that turns my stomach.

72 researchok  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:21:22pm

re: #67 Dark_Falcon

It's not tragic. A tragic figure possesses some good qualities, Geller has none these days. Her actions are more pathetic than tragic.

True.

But it is tragic to note that many reasonable people who read her ideas and believe them to be mainstream of Israel supporters are repulsed enough to end up buying into the anti Israel meme.

73 Macha  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:21:25pm

re: #34 albusteve

where is the hemotoma if I may ask?

I'm sorry, I read it wrong, as what is a hematoma. Duh!

74 Digital Display  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:21:46pm

re: #68 darthstar

OT (but this IS a Geller thread): I'm cooking a big-assed bone-in rib-eye, and it smells awesome...but I plan to let it cool, then slice it thinly for a Thai Beef Salad I'm making for dinner.

10 chili peppers!?!?
No way Star..No way

75 albusteve  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:22:24pm

re: #69 Macha

It is a pool of blood in the tissues from internal bleeding.

I asked the location...I was an RN back in my prime, just curious

76 Varek Raith  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:22:37pm

re: #74 HoosierHoops

10 chili peppers!?!?
No way Star..No way

Yeah, you need more like 20...

77 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:23:06pm

re: #72 researchok

True.

But it is tragic to note that many reasonable people who read her ideas and believe them to be mainstream of Israel supporters are repulsed enough to end up buying into the anti Israel meme.

Well, its our job here to counter that perception. One of the greatest things about LGF is that it proves you can be pro-Israel and sane at the same time.

78 Cato the Elder  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:23:21pm

Paul Simon once wrote a song about Pamz. He said she had diamonds on the soles of her shoes.

But he wasn't being wistful, or romantic, or coy.

Bitch scratched the shit out of his parquet floors, and he still hasn't forgotten it.

79 albusteve  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:23:43pm

re: #73 Macha

I'm sorry, I read it wrong, as what is a hematoma. Duh!

that's cool, most people wouldn't know so thanks for the definition

80 Digital Display  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:23:54pm

re: #76 Varek Raith

Yeah, you need more like 20...

I KEEL YOU!

81 mcaton  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:24:21pm

Someone who is a) obsessive and b) has a sense of justice needs to do the following: catalog every looney rumor/accusation that comes out of the John Birch/Glenn Beck/Tea Party fringe, along with people who subscribed to them, in print. Then we'd see every bandwagon that Geller et al hopped on, and how they all turned out to be vapor. Summing all their hot air and bad-faith rumor-mongering in one place, in tabular format, might make some still-on-the-fence people realize how far from reality they are.

82 CuriousLurker  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:24:25pm

re: #65 Cato the Elder

It's not the rhinestones on the gun that count, it's the ones on the bullet.

Heh, truer words have never been spoken.

BTW, I missed your presence and am very glad to have you back. It's good to hear that your mother is recovering; I'll say a prayer for her.

83 darthstar  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:24:54pm

re: #74 HoosierHoops

10 chili peppers!?!?
No way Star..No way

I'm using a couple of serranos...plenty of heat in those. I like spicy food, and this is one of my favorite summertime recipes. I highly recommend it. Rib-eye cooked rare-to-medium rare, and now resting. My wife is having cocktails with a real-estate agent friend of hers to discuss a house we're looking at buying as she got the disclosures today...so she may take the train home, in which case we'll have the salad tomorrow night and eat dinner in Palo Alto at someplace like Zibibbo.

84 albusteve  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:25:36pm

re: #77 Dark_Falcon

Well, its our job here to counter that perception. One of the greatest things about LGF is that it proves you can be pro-Israel and sane at the same time.

the Iranians are coming...gonna bust up the blockade...should be a good one eh?

85 albusteve  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:26:47pm

re: #78 Cato the Elder

Paul Simon once wrote a song about Pamz. He said she had diamonds on the soles of her shoes.

But he wasn't being wistful, or romantic, or coy.

Bitch scratched the shit out of his parquet floors, and he still hasn't forgotten it.

"she's a rich girl, she don't try to hide it"

86 Aye Pod  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:27:27pm

re: #64 Charles

Also at Geller's hate-hole today, this amazing statement:

She's into what she calls 'Muslims of conscience' - i.e. Muslims who crusade against Islam. Kinda like Ahmedinejad is into Jews of conscience.

87 Digital Display  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:27:33pm

re: #83 darthstar

I'm using a couple of serranos...plenty of heat in those. I like spicy food, and this is one of my favorite summertime recipes. I highly recommend it. Rib-eye cooked rare-to-medium rare, and now resting. My wife is having cocktails with a real-estate agent friend of hers to discuss a house we're looking at buying as she got the disclosures today...so she may take the train home, in which case we'll have the salad tomorrow night and eat dinner in Palo Alto at someplace like Zibibbo.

That is awesome Star...My Boss just moved to Los Gatos...I was TDY at Alameda on Bay Farm Island for a year...
Kind regards

88 tradewind  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:27:38pm

re: #19 darthstar
At first I thought ' really? '... but then, I realized how much this explains.
You're twelve./

89 Targetpractice  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:27:44pm

Evenin', fellow lizards. What's the good word?

90 CuriousLurker  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:28:17pm

re: #64 Charles

"I believe I'm fighting for Muslims here," she said. "I have no problem with Muslims."

So she's our advocate?

*head explodes*

91 Targetpractice  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:28:59pm

re: #90 CuriousLurker

So she's our advocate?

*head explodes*

Clean-up, aisle 4!

92 darthstar  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:29:02pm

re: #64 Charles

Also at Geller's hate-hole today, this amazing statement:

Any kind of physical attraction Geller may have had has been permanently nullified by the phrase 'hate-hole'...thanks, seriously.

93 Mocking Jay  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:29:13pm

re: #90 CuriousLurker

So she's our advocate?

*head explodes*

Yikes. I wouldn't like to meet the people who really hate you.

/

94 darthstar  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:29:33pm

re: #88 tradewind

At first I thought ' really? '... but then, I realized how much this explains.
You're twelve./

I may be getting older, but I refuse to grow up.

95 freetoken  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:29:55pm

re: #71 CuriousLurker

A good question.

Some bloggers probably do it for fame or money (or they hope for both.)

Yet I remain convinced that the answer for most lies in chemicals.

96 Cato the Elder  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:29:55pm

re: #82 CuriousLurker

Heh, truer words have never been spoken.

BTW, I missed your presence and am very glad to have you back. It's good to hear that your mother is recovering; I'll say a prayer for her.

Thank you.

I told me mum that she should take a martial arts course. Because the first thing they teach you is how to fall.

She, being a pie-eyed pacifist, told me that she didn't want to learn any martial art.

I said, I don't want you to either. I want you to learn how to fall.

97 tradewind  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:30:00pm

re: #46 _RememberTonyC
I actually thought that Obama's speech today was probably the best one I've heard. Unfortunate that it had to be on such an occasion, but it was the clearest, best thought out communication from him since taking office.

98 Michael McBacon  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:30:09pm
Someone who is a) obsessive and b) has a sense of justice needs to do the following: catalog every looney rumor/accusation that comes out of the John Birch/Glenn Beck/Tea Party fringe, along with people who subscribed to them, in print. Then we'd see every bandwagon that Geller et al hopped on, and how they all turned out to be vapor. Summing all their hot air and bad-faith rumor-mongering in one place, in tabular format, might make some still-on-the-fence people realize how far from reality they are.

Nice idea but cataloging all the lunacy might make one looney.

99 albusteve  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:30:13pm

encore...
they made me do it

Ladysmith

100 Macha  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:30:26pm

re: #71 CuriousLurker

They are angry about not having the life they imagined, and expected to have. They see themselves as hard working people who deserve the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. The pot of gold was kicked over by a series of misfortunes, the massive cost of wars, the housing market going belly up, things like the oil spill, excessive medical costs, job losses- well you get the idea. In their minds it would be all OK if we could only go back to 1955. Every day is a reminder to them that they aren't getting the goodies to which they feel entitled.

101 tradewind  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:30:47pm

re: #94 darthstar
I think you're safe.

102 darthstar  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:31:17pm

Bill Randall - NC Teabagger (and African American) won his primary by claiming that Obama and BP intentionally caused the Deepwater Horizon disaster.

Well, at least the GOP is getting more inclusive.

103 darthstar  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:31:50pm

re: #101 tradewind

I think you're safe.

Thanks...I like my 19 year old libido.

104 freetoken  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:31:59pm

re: #100 Macha

Some definite truth in what you wrote. Those are some of the reasons I post economy links now and again.

Disenfranchisement from the perceived utopia that is preached by our social, political, and business leaders is an element here, I think.

105 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:32:04pm

re: #96 Cato the Elder

Thank you.

I told me mum that she should take a martial arts course. Because the first thing they teach you is how to fall.

She, being a pie-eyed pacifist, told me that she didn't want to learn any martial art.

I said, I don't want you to either. I want you to learn how to fall.

What happened to your mother? I must have missed it.

106 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:33:09pm

re: #102 darthstar

Bill Randall - NC Teabagger (and African American) won his primary by claiming that Obama and BP intentionally caused the Deepwater Horizon disaster.

Well, at least the GOP is getting more inclusive.

Beat Rachel Maddow to that story by several days:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

107 darthstar  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:33:28pm

re: #105 Dark_Falcon

What happened to your mother? I must have missed it.


She got hit by a van, I think. Happened to my wife's stepfather when he was 80...he's 87 now...shuffles a lot, but is still mobile. I hope Jason's mother recovers as well as he did.

108 Batman  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:33:58pm
under the Bush administration (when both parties actually worked together)

Gee, I wonder why that is.

109 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:34:03pm

re: #102 darthstar

Bill Randall - NC Teabagger (and African American) won his primary by claiming that Obama and BP intentionally caused the Deepwater Horizon disaster.

Well, at least the GOP is getting more inclusive.

Link?

110 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:34:24pm

re: #71 CuriousLurker

Reposting from downstairs as it seems more relevant here. For the record, this is not just snark—I really am puzzled.

***

What I can't quite wrap my head around is how some people maintain a state of what appears to be near apoplectic hate & rage 24x7. How can it NOT be utterly psychologically & spiritually debilitating to work yourself up into such snarling, lathering fits several times a day?

It seems like a lot of work... like you have to wake up in the morning and actively seek the negative, then keep at it throughout the day. And what about when you lie in bed at night? What manner of foul thoughts writhe around in your mind, clawing & snapping at one another in an effort to predominate?

I know I'm being kind of melodramatic here, but sheesh I really have a hard time comprehending the appeal of such things. Some of these folks seem to almost enjoy being enraged, and I get the distinct feeling that they look forward to possible confrontation & violence (and all the suffering it would bring) with a sparkly-eyed sort of glee that turns my stomach.

We watched the lefties doing more or less the same thing under the Bush regime. The wingnuts jumped right into the same role and took it to new heights. It is spooky that such large portions of the population will just spontaneously go insane from time to time.

111 tradewind  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:34:29pm

re: #102 darthstar
There can't be an African American who's also a member of the Tea Party. Don't they have ' whites only ' codified in their by-laws?/

112 Macha  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:34:33pm

On the news right now, in Ocean Beach, Calif. people are displaying bumper stickers that say "Don't feed our bums". Apparently both the stickers and t-shirts are selling like hot cakes. Speak of hostile, nasty attitudes, some people are just
creeps.

113 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:34:38pm

re: #109 Dark_Falcon

Never mind.

114 darthstar  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:35:00pm

re: #106 Charles

Beat Rachel Maddow to that story by several days:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Heh...I knew you were a Rachel fan. :) She really is refreshing to watch as she's intelligent, doesn't get all panicky and hyperbolic in her commentary, and loves (LOVES) having Republicans on her show when they're brave enough to let them have all the time they need to hang themselves with their own words (see RndPaul() for a perfect example)

115 darthstar  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:35:13pm

re: #109 Dark_Falcon

Link?

Rachel just covered it on her show.

116 Cato the Elder  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:35:14pm

"No offense, Pam - but, as far as superpowers go, yours is kinda lame."

117 darthstar  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:35:45pm

re: #111 tradewind

There can't be an African American who's also a member of the Tea Party. Don't they have ' whites only ' codified in their by-laws?/

There's an Uncle Tom exception. :)

118 freetoken  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:35:55pm

re: #111 tradewind

Every African American identified as a leader/prominenet participant in Tea Partyism has been, each time I've checked them out, very theocratic socons.

119 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:36:00pm

re: #112 Macha

On the news right now, in Ocean Beach, Calif. people are displaying bumper stickers that say "Don't feed our bums". Apparently both the stickers and t-shirts are selling like hot cakes. Speak of hostile, nasty attitudes, some people are just
creeps.

I actually support such an effort. It'll help get the bums to clear out, which improves the area. If enough areas adopt such tactics, maybe some of the homeless will clean up their act.

120 darthstar  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:36:15pm

re: #116 Cato the Elder

"No offense, Pam - but, as far as superpowers go, yours is kinda lame."

Hey Cato...just wanted to reiterate my warm wishes for your mother...hope everything goes well.

121 tradewind  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:37:04pm

re: #118 freetoken
Oh, well, screw 'em then./

122 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:37:16pm

re: #115 darthstar

Rachel just covered it on her show.

Sorry. I'm not watching her. Dog, the Bounty Hunter has a new episode on right now.

123 lostlakehiker  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:37:39pm

re: #7 Gus 802

Putting 12 million currently illegal residents on a path to citizenship sounds like a fine idea to me. This was even supported by former President Bush and Senator John McCain alongside Senator Ted Kennedy.

Immigration reform without amnesty will not and should not ever happen.

Amnesty without immigration reform should not happen either. Amnesty today, amnesty tomorrow, amnesty forever, as a policy, amounts to a policy of merger with Mexico. Such a merger would add to the number of problem cities we have. Chicago, meet Juarez. Juarez, meet Chicago.

Ciudad Juárez (Spanish pronunciation: [sjuˈðað ˈxwaɾes]), also known as Juárez and formerly known as El Paso del Norte, is a city and seat of the municipality of Juárez in the Mexican state of Chihuahua. Juárez has an estimated population of 1.5 million people.[1] The city lies on the Rio Grande (Río Bravo del Norte), across from El Paso, Texas. El Paso and Ciudad Juárez comprise one of the largest bi-national metropolitan areas in the world with a combined population of 2.4 million people. In fact, Ciudad Juárez is one of the fastest growing cities in the world in spite of the fact that it is "the most violent zone in the world outside of declared war zones."[2]

(wikipedia)
Yes, I know that the city's buildings would stay in Mexico. But, with the border wide open and an implicit promise of another amnesty shortly, why should not the people come on over? And bring their problems with them?

What is it about the United States that we, alone, [oh, I forget, we and Israel] have no right to borders? Japan controls immigration. Mexico controls immigration. These states are admitted into "polite society".

124 albusteve  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:38:01pm

re: #110 Killgore Trout

We watched the lefties doing more or less the same thing under the Bush regime. The wingnuts jumped right into the same role and took it to new heights. It is spooky that such large portions of the population will just spontaneously go insane from time to time.

HU-MONS
dopes

125 Mr. Crankypants  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:38:03pm

Evening all...in answer to the question about rage addiction. I think this is the same thing that Fred Phelps suffers from. Anger can be a powerful drug as I'm sure it releases all sorts of chemicals into the brain and body.

Larry

126 darthstar  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:38:12pm

re: #122 Dark_Falcon

Sorry. I'm not watching her. Dog, the Bounty Hunter has a new episode on right now.

Dog gives the phrase "White Trash" a positive connotation by comparison.

127 tradewind  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:39:13pm

re: #122 Dark_Falcon
That just begs, but no,
Not gonna do it.
:)

128 albusteve  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:39:32pm

re: #119 Dark_Falcon

I actually support such an effort. It'll help get the bums to clear out, which improves the area. If enough areas adopt such tactics, maybe some of the homeless will clean up their act.

uh oh...you're fucked

129 Mr. Crankypants  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:39:59pm

re: #126 darthstar

Dog gives the phrase "White Trash" a positive connotation by comparison.

That's not PC...socio-economically deprived caucasian is the description you are looking for I need.

130 Mr. Crankypants  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:40:41pm

re: #129 PT Barnum

That's not PC...socio-economically deprived caucasian is the description you are looking for I need believe.

PIMF

131 albusteve  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:40:44pm

re: #125 PT Barnum

Evening all...in answer to the question about rage addiction. I think this is the same thing that Fred Phelps suffers from. Anger can be a powerful drug as I'm sure it releases all sorts of chemicals into the brain and body.

Larry

must be a hell of a buzz...I used to get my mojo going in a fight like that...same thing I guess, it's real

132 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:41:51pm

re: #126 darthstar

Dog gives the phrase "White Trash" a positive connotation by comparison.

:P

133 darthstar  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:42:08pm

re: #129 PT Barnum

That's not PC...socio-economically deprived caucasian is the description you are looking for I need.

No, I'm not talking about 'socio-economicaly deprived caucasians' I'm talking about ignorant bigots who see physical intimidation as a positive character trait.

134 The Left  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:42:43pm

re: #110 Killgore Trout

We watched the lefties doing more or less the same thing under the Bush regime. The wingnuts jumped right into the same role and took it to new heights. It is spooky that such large portions of the population will just spontaneously go insane from time to time.

The left wasn't this bad, though.

I do think there's a slice of the population, spread evenly across partisan divides, that is on permanent outrage mode.

135 albusteve  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:43:11pm

re: #133 darthstar

No, I'm not talking about 'socio-economicaly deprived caucasians' I'm talking about ignorant bigots who see physical intimidation as a positive character trait.

might makes right
it's the American way

136 Mr. Crankypants  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:43:18pm

My son is becoming a comedy writer at age 9...

He came in and said, Hey Dad? What did one string say to the other?

"I don't know", I replied.

"Let's go somewhere and be knotty!"

Hadn't heard that one before...and as far as I know he made it up himself.

I'm so proud.

137 Romantic Heretic  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:43:24pm

The undertone of the loony right is that when a civil war comes that they will easily win it because liberals are pussies.

The Axis thought the same thing. Where are they now?

138 Mr. Crankypants  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:43:56pm

re: #133 darthstar

No, I'm not talking about 'socio-economicaly deprived caucasians' I'm talking about ignorant bigots who see physical intimidation as a positive character trait.

The word you would be looking for is "bully" then.

139 Cato the Elder  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:44:06pm

re: #133 darthstar

No, I'm not talking about 'socio-economicaly deprived caucasians' I'm talking about ignorant bigots who see physical intimidation as a positive character trait.

"Physical intimidation", my idealist friend, is why we have the Second Amendment.

140 fat bastard vegetarian  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:44:21pm

re: #136 PT Barnum

The face of a child says so much. Especially the mouth part of the face.
-Jack Handy

141 Varek Raith  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:44:22pm

re: #137 Romantic Heretic

The undertone of the loony right is that when a civil war comes that they will easily win it because liberals are pussies.

The Axis thought the same thing. Where are they now?

Wingnut with Ar-15 vs M1A2.

142 [deleted]  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:44:48pm
143 Varek Raith  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:45:09pm

Flounce.
:/

144 darthstar  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:45:14pm

re: #137 Romantic Heretic

The undertone of the loony right is that when a civil war comes that they will easily win it because liberals are pussies.

The Axis thought the same thing. Where are they now?

Is "The Gift" like one of those Danielle Steele novels? Or is there real fucking?
:)

145 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:45:21pm

re: #119 Dark_Falcon

I actually support such an effort. It'll help get the bums to clear out, which improves the area. If enough areas adopt such tactics, maybe some of the homeless will clean up their act.

I'm developing some thoughts on this. I've been reading some Francis of Assisi and he advocates a dependent begging priesthood kinda like what Buddhist monks do. There is some logic behind it. There's great humility and community to be found from the simple act of asking for what you need. However in our modern culture it's often an act of decadence to smoke crack and drink all day and ask strangers to pay for it. It's an interesting topic.

146 Mr. Crankypants  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:45:22pm

re: #142 dmelroy

a flounce, a flounce!

147 hellointernet  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:45:59pm

Can somebody Photoshop a gilded, bejeweled AK-47? Because, that would be awesome. Forever.

148 Romantic Heretic  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:46:01pm

re: #125 PT Barnum

Evening all...in answer to the question about rage addiction. I think this is the same thing that Fred Phelps suffers from. Anger can be a powerful drug as I'm sure it releases all sorts of chemicals into the brain and body.

Larry

Speaking as a former anger addict, I can attest to the truth of this. I once bathed in anger pretty much all the time. It is a real fucking high. And it's so easy to get a hit.

Unfortunately it has the same effect on the body and mind that any other addiction does. It damned near killed me.

I gave it up. Very glad I did.

149 tradewind  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:46:06pm

re: #114 darthstar

doesn't get all panicky and hyperbolic in her commentary


Except when she does, such as complaining that all Obama has to do, really, is just tell Congress he's going to do_______ and dare them to cross him.

150 [deleted]  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:46:06pm
151 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:46:16pm

re: #134 iceweasel

The left wasn't this bad, though.

I do think there's a slice of the population, spread evenly across partisan divides, that is on permanent outrage mode.

Agreed. The left was plenty crazy but the wingnuts have certainly surpassed them.

152 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:46:44pm

Flounce!

153 darthstar  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:46:50pm

re: #146 PT Barnum

a flounce, a flounce!

A flounce on both your houses! //

154 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:46:59pm

And our first Geller flounce of the evening.

155 Varek Raith  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:47:09pm

re: #147 hellointernet

Can somebody Photoshop a gilded, bejeweled AK-47? Because, that would be awesome. Forever.

Hehe, just a goofy, I think.
Image: KittyRifle.jpg

156 Romantic Heretic  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:47:23pm

re: #144 darthstar

There's real fucking. Whips and chains too. I won an award for it.

157 Mr. Crankypants  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:47:30pm

A flounce of defection is worth a pound of cure...

158 Aye Pod  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:47:36pm

Latest smear job on Kagan comes courtesy of the Washington Times:


Washington Times Features Doctored Photo Of Kagan In A Turban To Claim She’s Subservient To Shariah Law

Drawing Glenn Beck-like conspiratorial connections between Obama’s judicial nominees and plots to destroy America appears to be a conservative hobby. Both the Washington Times and Sean Hannity called district court nominee Judge Edward Chen “another Obama nominee who doesn’t appear to love America” because Chen correctly worried that the 9/11 attacks would harm race relations and religious tolerance in the United States. During the confirmation of Justice Sonia Sotomayor, a right-wing organization with close ties to Sens. Orrin Hatch (R-UT), John McCain (R-AZ) and Jeff Sessions (R-AL) launched an ad claiming that Sotomayor “led a group supporting violent Puerto Rican terrorists.”

159 darthstar  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:47:58pm

re: #156 Romantic Heretic

There's real fucking. Whips and chains too. I won an award for it.

Cool...I like good erotica...might have to check out a few of your titles.

160 Digital Display  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:48:53pm

Well 4 posts since Christmas day 2009...
Color me surprised...

161 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:48:58pm

re: #137 Romantic Heretic

The undertone of the loony right is that when a civil war comes that they will easily win it because liberals are pussies.

The reasoning behind this is two-fold stupid, as they make the mistake of assuming they will only be fighting liberals.

162 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:49:05pm

re: #150 darthstar

Don't let the door-knob hit ya where the good lord split ya.

Please don't quote the flouncer.

Charcoal is on the grill. Roast "Dmelroy" will be served in 25 minutes.

163 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:49:08pm

re: #150 darthstar

Thou doest quote the Flouncer? Fare thee well, post #150.

*snicker*

164 Mr. Crankypants  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:49:09pm

usually good erotica is like good horror...it's what you don't see but are given lots of help imagining that is the most satisfying.

165 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:49:46pm

By the way, you don't see any focus on the positive aspects of the GOP and the right wing at LGF because ... there ARE NO positive aspects to focus on.

The right wing is off the rails, and the GOP is riding on the same train.

166 Cato the Elder  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:49:55pm

Ooh, damn. I missed a trollflounce and wasted my money on supper.

How long will frozen trollmeat keep?

And who the HELL was "dmelroy"?

167 Targetpractice  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:50:26pm

re: #137 Romantic Heretic

The undertone of the loony right is that when a civil war comes that they will easily win it because liberals are pussies.

The Axis thought the same thing. Where are they now?

A prominent belief amongst those nutbars preaching "revolution" is that the Army, sworn to support and defend the Constitution, will side with the revolutionaries against the "evil," "corrupt," "illegal" government. Either that or refuse to fight, not wanting to kill their brethren.

These idiots seem to forget that we already had a Civil War and both beliefs got blown to hell the moment the first rifle shots were fired.

168 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:50:38pm

re: #112 Macha

On the news right now, in Ocean Beach, Calif. people are displaying bumper stickers that say "Don't feed our bums". Apparently both the stickers and t-shirts are selling like hot cakes. Speak of hostile, nasty attitudes, some people are just
creeps.

OB is a heavily hippified area. We love to go down to this restaurant South Beach and hang out. [Link: southbeachob.com...]

The bums there are a big problem, really. They are pretty youthful and drunk or drugged. One killed a visiting guy from Australia while they were hanging around a bonfire. The majority are not your everyday down on your luck bums.

One of the best head shops in the US (imho) is "The Black" on Newport St. in Ocean Beach.

169 CuriousLurker  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:50:45pm

re: #86 Jimmah

Jimmah, good to see that you're back & doing okay after the mosquito episode.

170 darthstar  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:51:35pm

re: #162 Dark_Falcon

Please don't quote the flouncer.

Charcoal is on the grill. Roast "Dmelroy" will be served in 25 minutes.

Crap...Charles, can you disemvowel my post instead of deleting it?

171 Varek Raith  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:51:41pm

re: #169 CuriousLurker

Jimmah, good to see that you're back & doing okay after the mosquito episode.

That was no mosquito.
It was a freaking stinger missile.
/

172 albusteve  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:51:42pm

re: #151 Killgore Trout

Agreed. The left was plenty crazy but the wingnuts have certainly surpassed them.

we're numba ONE!

173 darthstar  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:52:05pm

re: #170 darthstar

Crap...Charles, can you disemvowel my post instead of deleting it?

Shit...too late.

174 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:52:42pm

re: #166 Cato the Elder

Ooh, damn. I missed a trollflounce and wasted my money on supper.

How long will frozen trollmeat keep?

And who the HELL was "dmelroy"?

You don't need to freeze the troll, I'm grilling it for you. ;)

175 tradewind  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:53:01pm

re: #112 Macha
Refusing to enable bad behavior is not mean, nasty, or hostile.
Experts have reiterated that instead of giving panhandlers money, a better choice is a card showing them the location of shelters and contact information for help.

176 darthstar  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:53:02pm

re: #166 Cato the Elder

Ooh, damn. I missed a trollflounce and wasted my money on supper.

How long will frozen trollmeat keep?

And who the HELL was "dmelroy"?

Someone who thought Charles should change the content of his site and not spend so much time pointing out the idiocy of the extreme right.

177 Mr. Crankypants  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:53:19pm

re: #171 Varek Raith

That was no mosquito.
It was a freaking stinger missile.
/

I didn't hear about this...whereabouts in the US was he when he got bit? Some of the mosquitos we get in the midwest have been known to carry off small animals.

178 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:53:21pm

re: #145 Killgore Trout

I'm developing some thoughts on this. I've been reading some Francis of Assisi and he advocates a dependent begging priesthood kinda like what Buddhist monks do. There is some logic behind it. There's great humility and community to be found from the simple act of asking for what you need. However in our modern culture it's often an act of decadence to smoke crack and drink all day and ask strangers to pay for it. It's an interesting topic.

Franciscans are cool enough, but it is very difficult to maintain the original purity of the Rule. That's why there are three main branches of the Franciscans--they have had two major reforms over time. Domicans, on the other hand, are just jerks.

179 ReamWorks SKG  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:53:24pm

re: #7 Gus 802

Back in the day, pragmatic "businessman" conservatives, who used to be a relatively large swath of the people who represent the GOP, were fine with amnesty and guest worker programs. I hope the pandering to the wackos doesn't pull these useful, practical options off the negotiating table....

180 albusteve  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:53:27pm

re: #166 Cato the Elder

Ooh, damn. I missed a trollflounce and wasted my money on supper.

How long will frozen trollmeat keep?

And who the HELL was "dmelroy"?

who cares....it's done
eat your ribs or whatever

181 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:53:44pm

re: #147 hellointernet

Can somebody Photoshop a gilded, bejeweled AK-47? Because, that would be awesome. Forever.

Dude! Hasn't anyone ever told you that you never ask for Photoshop help on the interwebs? NSFW.

182 Mr. Crankypants  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:54:12pm

re: #175 tradewind

Refusing to enable bad behavior is not mean, nasty, or hostile.
Experts have reiterated that instead of giving panhandlers money, a better choice is a card showing them the location of shelters and contact information for help.

Another approach has been to give them vouchers for grocery stores so that they couldn't use any of the money on drugs or booze.

183 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:54:19pm

re: #151 Killgore Trout

Agreed. The left was plenty crazy but the wingnuts have certainly surpassed them.

Geometry teacher tracking the path of a bullet to Obama.

Enough said.

184 Macha  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:55:16pm

re: #168 Stanley Sea

OB is a heavily hippified area. We love to go down to this restaurant South Beach and hang out. [Link: southbeachob.com...]

The bums there are a big problem, really. They are pretty youthful and drunk or drugged. One killed a visiting guy from Australia while they were hanging around a bonfire. The majority are not your everyday down on your luck bums.

One of the best head shops in the US (imho) is "The Black" on Newport St. in Ocean Beach.

Restaurant looks good. I'm not familiar with that part of San Diego county. I think what concerns me is that in that statement there is no attempt to discriminate between harmless, but homeless poor and the hooligans.

185 The Left  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:56:20pm

re: #156 Romantic Heretic

There's real fucking. Whips and chains too. I won an award for it.

You won an award for f---ing?/

186 RogueOne  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:56:36pm

re: #179 reuven

Back in the day, pragmatic "businessman" conservatives, who used to be a relatively large swath of the people who represent the GOP, were fine with amnesty and guest worker programs. I hope the pandering to the wackos doesn't pull these useful, practical options off the negotiating table...

With unemployment hovering at 10% now isn't the time to bring up the argument. Another example of the left shooting themselves in the foot. Add that to a variety of dems "suggesting" that tax increases are in order and their continual voting for spending more and more money.....at this rate they're going to run out of toes.

187 darthstar  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:56:51pm

Okay...wife just called and I'm off to the city to pick her up and give her a ride home. Be safe, everyone. Play nice.

188 Mr. Crankypants  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:56:59pm

re: #183 Stanley Sea

Geometry teacher tracking the path of a bullet to Obama.

Enough said.

I think the difference is that the wingnuts almost demand rigid compliance to a set of beliefs and get offended when other people don't play along. The left doesn't know what it believes at any given moment so doesn't get bent out of shape at heterodoxy.

189 tradewind  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:57:21pm

re: #182 PT Barnum
Except that they have been selling the vouchers at a discount for money to use for drugs./
It's a no-win until they get help.

190 Romantic Heretic  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:57:32pm

re: #159 darthstar

Cool...I like good erotica...might have to check out a few of your titles.

Sorry if I'm breaking any rules here. Not sure how I can send darth a private message.

Here's a link to some free stuff I've posted over the years. Try the story Librarian. It's my most popular story there.

Note: Link is not work safe.

191 researchok  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:58:32pm

Judge approves $712.5M settlement with Ground Zero workers

A judge has approved a $712.5 million settlement between the city and more than 10,000 injured Ground Zero workers despite the impassioned objections of several victims who said the deal shortchanged their specific ailments.

Manhattan federal Judge Alvin Hellerstein -- who rejected an earlier, $657 million proposal as too stingy to the plaintiffs and too lucrative for their lawyers -- today called the new agreement "fair, adequate and reasonable."

But he also conceded that the complex, 110-plus-page pact was "not perfect," telling one cancer survivor: "It doesn't work for you perhaps as well as it should have, and I'm sorry for that."

192 Romantic Heretic  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:58:36pm

re: #185 iceweasel

You won an award for f---ing?/

My fiancee keeps giving gold stars.

193 RogueOne  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:58:43pm

I just came on to make fun of gore for never getting a happy ending...EVER! Not even when he's paying for it. Hello everyone!

194 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:58:59pm

re: #184 Macha

Restaurant looks good. I'm not familiar with that part of San Diego county. I think what concerns me is that in that statement there is no attempt to discriminate between harmless, but homeless poor and the hooligans.

The folks there, I think they can tell. It does suck though to refuse help. A tough one.

195 albusteve  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:59:03pm

re: #186 RogueOne

With unemployment hovering at 10% now isn't the time to bring up the argument. Another example of the left shooting themselves in the foot. Add that to a variety of dems "suggesting" that tax increases are in order and their continual voting for spending more and more money...at this rate they're going to run out of toes.

we ran out long ago...we are baked financially, time to soak the rich, the only segment of our society that has any money...it gets old and will eventually blow up

196 ReamWorks SKG  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:59:19pm

re: #186 RogueOne

Tax increases--especially on small business--will KILL the economy.

In fact, the economy was bad for quite some time. It was just covered up by phony wealth created from selling houses to each other at inflated prices.

197 Gus  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:59:48pm

Pizza!

198 tradewind  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 6:59:57pm

re: #188 PT Barnum
The left is still fantasizing about bringing down Bush.
[Link: theater.nytimes.com...]

199 Targetpractice  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:00:04pm

Another troll gives his swan song and is just as quickly snuffed out. The blog version of Darwin in action.

200 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:00:32pm

re: #185 iceweasel

You won an award for f---ing?/

No, that was you and Jimmah. ;) You two won "Best Merger of Sane and Articulate Liberals".

201 Varek Raith  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:00:33pm

re: #197 Gus 802

Pizza!

You damn well better have brought enough for all of us!
/

202 Digital Display  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:00:41pm

re: #192 Romantic Heretic

My fiancee keeps giving gold stars.

She may grade on a curve.
/

203 Mr. Crankypants  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:00:44pm

re: #196 reuven

Tax increases--especially on small business--will KILL the economy.

In fact, the economy was bad for quite some time. It was just covered up by phony wealth created from selling houses to each other at inflated prices.

The problem is that the current economic model of boom/bust isn't sustainable over the long run. At some point we are all going to have to suffer the consequences of letting speculation overrun production as the driving force behind our economic engine.

204 Gus  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:01:07pm

re: #201 Varek Raith

You damn well better have brought enough for all of us!
/

205 Mr. Crankypants  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:01:22pm

re: #202 HoosierHoops

She may grade on a curve.
/

isn't there an operation that will fix that?

206 Gus  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:01:38pm

re: #201 Varek Raith

You damn well better have brought enough for all of us!
/

Weird. My typing eatted my post.

207 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:01:53pm

Civil War?

How'd the last one turn out for ya, seceshers?

208 Varek Raith  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:01:57pm

re: #206 Gus 802

Weird. My typing eatted my post.

THE BLOG GOD MUST FEED!

209 freetoken  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:02:12pm

re: #198 tradewind

The left is still fantasizing about bringing down Bush.
[Link: theater.nytimes.com...]

There always seems to be a subset of the self declared "art community" that is in that kind of mode. Mostly it makes for boring art.

210 albusteve  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:02:24pm

re: #199 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Another troll gives his swan song and is just as quickly snuffed out. The blog version of Darwin in action.

when the vibe becomes too negative, which is often enough, I simply don't post...I go do chores or whatever, easy enough

211 Gus  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:02:32pm

re: #208 Varek Raith

THE BLOG GOD MUST FEED!

Stinky stolded it!

212 Mr. Crankypants  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:02:44pm

Well time to go...boy needs to be read to.

213 albusteve  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:03:22pm

re: #203 PT Barnum

The problem is that the current economic model of boom/bust isn't sustainable over the long run. At some point we are all going to have to suffer the consequences of letting speculation overrun production as the driving force behind our economic engine.

we are right now...eventually is today amigo

214 CuriousLurker  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:04:02pm

Well, my cats are crawling all over my chair demanding attention and I have a new movie to watch (Alice in Wonderland), so I'm going to go give the little critters some love and then lose myself in fantasy land. Catch you all later.

215 freetoken  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:04:35pm

re: #199 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I wouldn't call him a "troll"; he is just a "flouncer".

These types of flouncers have a common characteristic: they expect to come here to be constantly entertained while at the same time contributing nothing. Usually they have very few posts. Their main complaint is that Charles won't jump through their hoops.

They remind me of spoiled children.

216 The Left  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:05:15pm

re: #200 Dark_Falcon

No, that was you and Jimmah. ;) You two won "Best Merger of Sane and Articulate Liberals".

Aw thanks. Jimmah, yeah. :)

re: #197 Gus 802

Pizza!

What's on it!?

217 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:05:16pm

re: #206 Gus 802

Weird. My typing eatted my post.

Watch out for those angled brackets. They're used to denote HTML tags, and our security routines strip out unsafe HTML tags. That's why posts disappear sometimes -- they had a "greater than" or "less than" symbol, and everything from that symbol on was stripped out.

218 Aye Pod  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:05:32pm

re: #169 CuriousLurker

Jimmah, good to see that you're back & doing okay after the mosquito episode.

Thanks! It's definitely on the mend now. I think next time I travel I should probably try some sort of insect repellent ;-)

219 Gus  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:06:15pm

re: #217 Charles

Watch out for those angled brackets. They're used to denote HTML tags, and our security routines strip out unsafe HTML tags. That's why posts disappear sometimes -- they had a "greater than" or "less than" symbol, and everything from that symbol on was stripped out.

That was it. I made a "pizza slice" out of a "less than" symbol and a right parenthesis.

220 albusteve  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:06:16pm

re: #218 Jimmah

Thanks! It's definitely on the mend now. I think next time I travel I should probably try some sort of insect repellent ;-)

come to NM, land of no misquitoes

221 Varek Raith  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:06:48pm

re: #219 Gus 802

That was it. I made a "pizza slice" out of a "less than" symbol and a right parenthesis.

WHAT DOES CHARLES HAVE AGAINST PIZZA!11!!1

222 Digital Display  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:07:14pm

Programming notice..Morgan Freeman's much hype'd show is now on the Science Channel.. Looks pretty good so far.. Don't forget to set your DVR's tonight

223 Targetpractice  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:07:18pm

re: #215 freetoken

I wouldn't call him a "troll"; he is just a "flouncer".

These types of flouncers have a common characteristic: they expect to come here to be constantly entertained while at the same time contributing nothing. Usually they have very few posts. Their main complaint is that Charles won't jump through their hoops.

They remind me of spoiled children.

Hmm, I see the distinction clearly. Thanks for clearing that up.

224 Kronocide  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:07:29pm

OMG that pic of Geller on is freakin hilarious.

225 The Left  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:08:32pm

re: #209 freetoken

There always seems to be a subset of the self declared "art community" that is in that kind of mode. Mostly it makes for boring art.

re: #209 freetoken

There always seems to be a subset of the self declared "art community" that is in that kind of mode. Mostly it makes for boring art.

SemiOT: Shephard Fairey, the guy with the Obama Hope image, did a mural at Bowery and Houston in April -- hilariously, all the other graffiti artists have been tagging it viciously.
[Link: artsbeat.blogs.nytimes.com...]
Gawker or gothamist has better writeups-- it's been an ongoing war. Heh.

226 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:08:51pm

re: #197 Gus 802

Pizza!

Haggis!
Haggis report from my daughter who has just returned from a tour of the UK.

She ate every bit of haggis on her plate; she thought it was quite tasty.

To be honest, it was not standard haggis. But the pic sure looked like it to me. At any rate . . . I promised a haggis review when she returned, and there it is.

227 Gus  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:09:09pm

re: #216 iceweasel

What's on it!?

Plain cheese. 18 inches though! Sprinkled parmesan.

228 albusteve  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:09:38pm

re: #227 Gus 802

Plain cheese. 18 inches though! Sprinkled parmesan.

NY pizza right there

229 Gus  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:10:40pm

re: #228 albusteve

NY pizza right there

Only way to do it. More or less. Could stand for more olive oil.

230 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:11:08pm

re: #219 Gus 802

That was it. I made a "pizza slice" out of a "less than" symbol and a right parenthesis.

Like this? <)

231 Gus  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:11:43pm

re: #230 Alouette

Like this? <)

Exactly.

<)

232 The Left  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:11:55pm

re: #215 freetoken

I wouldn't call him a "troll"; he is just a "flouncer".

These types of flouncers have a common characteristic: they expect to come here to be constantly entertained while at the same time contributing nothing. Usually they have very few posts. Their main complaint is that Charles won't jump through their hoops.

They remind me of spoiled children.

I'm fairly convinced that a sizeable portion of them are the same 5 obsessives flouncing over and over-- activating dormant sock puppet accounts to do so, etc.

Checked out a stalker site today, and there is no doubt in my mind that 99% of the posts and comments are written by say 3 people. Tops.
"deranged obsessive" doesn't even begin to cover it.

233 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:11:56pm

re: #183 Stanley Sea

I remember a group of people applauding at the news of President Reagan's assassination attempt. I was there.

234 albusteve  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:12:07pm

Image: 137_small.jpg

New York pizza

235 Cato the Elder  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:12:41pm

re: #180 albusteve

who cares...it's done
eat your ribs or whatever

It's the loins I crave.

236 Varek Raith  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:12:41pm

Great, now I'm hungry.
BBL
Om nom nom time.
Image: 633703130999654510-OmNomNomNom.jpg

237 Gus  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:12:47pm

re: #226 reine.de.tout

Haggis!
Haggis report from my daughter who has just returned from a tour of the UK.

She ate every bit of haggis on her plate; she thought it was quite tasty.

To be honest, it was not standard haggis. But the pic sure looked like it to me. At any rate . . . I promised a haggis review when she returned, and there it is.

What were the main ingredients?

238 Ojoe  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:13:06pm

Haggis is pretty good stuff actually, I think. It's energy food for your body to burn to keep warm in a damp, cold climate.

And the Romans did not think that Scotland was worth conquering. They built Hadrian's wall instead.

And,

Geller is a moron

239 albusteve  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:13:23pm

re: #232 iceweasel

I'm fairly convinced that a sizeable portion of them are the same 5 obsessives flouncing over and over-- activating dormant sock puppet accounts to do so, etc.

Checked out a stalker site today, and there is no doubt in my mind that 99% of the posts and comments are written by say 3 people. Tops.
"deranged obsessive" doesn't even begin to cover it.

flouncers and stalkers are so yesterday...move on

240 freetoken  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:13:52pm

re: #232 iceweasel


"deranged obsessive" doesn't even begin to cover it.

Definitely deranged. The wonder of the internet has allowed certain previously shunned social maladaptations to flourish.

241 Ojoe  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:14:02pm

re: #235 Cato the Elder

Which ribs are the prime ribs?

Math question.

242 Aye Pod  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:14:04pm

re: #220 albusteve

come to NM, land of no misquitoes

Yeah, but what about that smell? No thanks :D

243 albusteve  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:14:08pm

re: #235 Cato the Elder

It's the loins I crave.

I'll be your Huckleberry

244 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:14:22pm

re: #237 Gus 802

What were the main ingredients?

Not sure, from the photo it was impossible to tell.
But she liked it.

245 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:14:56pm

re: #222 HoosierHoops

Programming notice..Morgan Freeman's much hype'd show is now on the Science Channel.. Looks pretty good so far.. Don't forget to set your DVR's tonight

Me go watch now. Peace out!

246 The Left  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:15:33pm

re: #238 Ojoe

Haggis is pretty good stuff actually, I think. It's energy food for your body to burn to keep warm in a damp, cold climate.

And the Romans did not think that Scotland was worth conquering. They built Hadrian's wall instead.

And,

Geller is a moron

I thought Hadrian's Wall was to keep the Scots out. Heh.

247 albusteve  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:15:44pm

re: #242 Jimmah

Yeah, but what about that smell? No thanks :D

smell?...mesquite and sage...you can even stay with me for awhile...where else can you beat the shit out of someone then go for a tour of the beautiful outback?

248 Gus  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:15:57pm

re: #242 Jimmah

Yeah, but what about that smell? No thanks :D

Plenty of Mesquite-Os in NM.

You allergic to mosquitoes?

249 tradewind  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:16:47pm

re: #183 Stanley Sea
Lefty blog comments after Tony Snow's death.
More than enough said.

.

250 McSpiff  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:17:03pm

re: #217 Charles

Watch out for those angled brackets. They're used to denote HTML tags, and our security routines strip out unsafe HTML tags. That's why posts disappear sometimes -- they had a "greater than" or "less than" symbol, and everything from that symbol on was stripped out.

replacing them with & lt works <

251 McSpiff  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:18:01pm

re: #250 McSpiff

replacing them with & lt works <

Whoops, hit post when I meant preview. Replacing any < with & lt (no space) in the text will get it through the censors intact.

252 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:18:15pm

re: #249 tradewind

Lefty blog comments after Tony Snow's death.
More than enough said.

.

24/7 Fox News, Senate floor.
/Game, set, match

253 Ojoe  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:18:18pm

First the ingredients (haggis) (No, I don't know what the "lights" are) Link

1 sheep's stomach bag plus the pluck (lights, liver and heart)
1 lb Lean Lamb
6 oz Oatmeal
8 oz Shredded Suet
2 large Onions, chopped
about 1/4 pint beef stock

Now to make it.

Soak the stomach bag in salted water overnight.

Place the pluck (lights, liver and heart) in a saucepan with the windpipe hanging over the edge. Cover with water and boil for up to 2 hours hours. Impurities will pass out through the windpipe and so you need to put a basin under it to catch any drips. Drain well and cool. Remove the windpipe and any gristle or skin..

Mince the liver and heart with the lamb. (Add some of the lights before mincing if you wish.)
Toast the oatmeal gently until crisp and pale golden brown.

Combine the suet and onion with minced mixture. Season well and add enough stock to moisten well. Pack it all into the stomach bag, filling it just over half-full as the stuffing will swell during cooking.

Tie the bag tightly with string. Prick the haggis all over with a needle to stop it bursting as it swells.
Put an upturned plate in the base of a saucepan of boiling water, stand the haggis on this and bring to the boil, and let it boil slowly for about 4 hours.

Makes enough for 6 to 8 helpings of delicious haggis.

254 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:18:54pm

re: #250 McSpiff

replacing them with & lt works <

Yes, that's how to include an angled bracket.

255 Ojoe  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:19:08pm

re: #246 iceweasel

I thought Hadrian's Wall was to keep the Scots out. Heh.

That is the Scott's true viewpoint.

256 tradewind  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:19:08pm

re: #236 Varek Raith
Gotta say, that's hella lot better than the last nom-nom-nom - captioned pic around here.

257 Cato the Elder  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:19:39pm

re: #241 Ojoe

Which ribs are the prime ribs?

Math question.

1, 2, 3, 5, 7, 13.

That's if you have extra ribs.

Beyond that, they do not go.

258 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:20:01pm

The character entities for the angled brackets are:

&lt; -- <

&gt; -- >

You need to terminate the character entity with a semi-colon to work in all browsers.

259 Nimed  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:20:02pm

re: #207 Alouette

Civil War?

How'd the last one turn out for ya, seceshers?

IT'S NOT OVER YET!!1!

260 tradewind  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:20:13pm

re: #252 Killgore Trout
Olby/Matthews rant, times may vary.
/You may now jump the net/.

261 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:20:22pm

re: #257 Cato the Elder

1, 2, 3, 5, 7, 13.

That's if you have extra ribs.

Beyond that, they do not go.

Doesn't go to 11?

262 Gus  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:21:19pm

re: #258 Charles

The character entities for the angled brackets are:

&lt; -- <

&gt; -- >

Ah, simple enough. Less than (lt) or greater than (gt).

263 Aye Pod  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:21:47pm

re: #248 Gus 802

Plenty of Mesquite-Os in NM.

You allergic to mosquitoes?

Looks like it :( Their Scottish relations - 'midgies' ever bothered me before though.

264 The Left  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:21:48pm

re: #253 Ojoe

First the ingredients (haggis) (No, I don't know what the "lights" are) Link

Lights=lungs, I think?
Ulp.

265 Digital Display  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:22:02pm

re: #253 Ojoe

I swear if I was on a deserted Island and all there was to eat was Haggis..
I may die..I just can't believe people eat stuff like that

266 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:22:24pm

re: #253 Ojoe

First the ingredients (haggis) (No, I don't know what the "lights" are) Link

1 sheep's stomach bag plus the pluck (lights, liver and heart)
1 lb Lean Lamb
6 oz Oatmeal
8 oz Shredded Suet
2 large Onions, chopped
about 1/4 pint beef stock

Now to make it.

Soak the stomach bag in salted water overnight.

Place the pluck (lights, liver and heart) in a saucepan with the windpipe hanging over the edge. Cover with water and boil for up to 2 hours hours. Impurities will pass out through the windpipe and so you need to put a basin under it to catch any drips. Drain well and cool. Remove the windpipe and any gristle or skin..

Mince the liver and heart with the lamb. (Add some of the lights before mincing if you wish.)
Toast the oatmeal gently until crisp and pale golden brown.

Combine the suet and onion with minced mixture. Season well and add enough stock to moisten well. Pack it all into the stomach bag, filling it just over half-full as the stuffing will swell during cooking.

Tie the bag tightly with string. Prick the haggis all over with a needle to stop it bursting as it swells.
Put an upturned plate in the base of a saucepan of boiling water, stand the haggis on this and bring to the boil, and let it boil slowly for about 4 hours.

Makes enough for 6 to 8 helpings of delicious haggis.

No need to copy this, folks, we have a haggis recipe in Volume 2 of the cookbook! Recipe is straight from the genuine article, LGF's very own Jimmah.

Get your copy now; I guarantee it will be a collector's item in 100 years, or your money back.

267 albusteve  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:22:33pm

re: #261 Alouette

Doesn't go to 11?

12 counting the floaters

268 sattv4u2  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:22:38pm

re: #257 Cato the Elder

Just read in the top ten comments about your mother

my prayers to her

How's she doing?

269 tradewind  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:22:47pm

re: #253 Ojoe
Okay, I was going to start dinner now./
Think I'll wait a bit.
:)

270 Ojoe  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:23:12pm

re: #264 iceweasel

That is better than what I was thinking.

Some true Scottsman may enlighten us.

I have eaten Haggis, I liked it. (!)

271 zora  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:23:16pm

re: #233 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I remember a group of people applauding at the news of President Reagan's assassination attempt. I was there.

i also remember when people thought he was the antichrist. ronald wilson reagan. 666

272 Cato the Elder  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:23:46pm

re: #242 Jimmah

Yeah, but what about that smell? No thanks :D

Jimmah!

Welcum.

What is the name of the Scotch whisky that plays a big role in "Lost"?

Just testing to make sure it's you.

When you have answered correctly, the game may continue.

273 Gus  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:23:57pm

re: #263 Jimmah

Looks like it :( Their Scottish relations - 'midgies' ever bothered me before though.

That could present a problem in areas near water or the East Coast. I used to always us mosquito repellent when I went camping. We'd always have DEET, and lots of sprays available. Barely see them in Denver.

274 McSpiff  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:24:54pm

re: #258 Charles

The character entities for the angled brackets are:

&lt; -- <

&gt; -- >

Seems like your code only strips out > when it has a matching < though, so >'s are fine? I'm not familiar enough with sanitizing user input to be honest.

275 Gus  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:25:58pm

re: #264 iceweasel

Lights=lungs, I think?
Ulp.

Care for some lung, pancreas? Tonight's specialty is lamb appendix. We also have a pituitary gland soup.

//

276 Nimed  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:26:10pm

re: #258 Charles

The character entities for the angled brackets are:

&lt; -- <

&gt; -- >

I have noticed for the first time the elimination of all consecutive characters in excess of 3 when celebrating the USA soccer team goooaaals.

277 Aye Pod  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:26:31pm

re: #253 Ojoe

First the ingredients (haggis) (No, I don't know what the "lights" are) Link

1 sheep's stomach bag plus the pluck (lights, liver and heart)
1 lb Lean Lamb
6 oz Oatmeal
8 oz Shredded Suet
2 large Onions, chopped
about 1/4 pint beef stock

Now to make it.

Soak the stomach bag in salted water overnight.

Place the pluck (lights, liver and heart) in a saucepan with the windpipe hanging over the edge. Cover with water and boil for up to 2 hours hours. Impurities will pass out through the windpipe and so you need to put a basin under it to catch any drips. Drain well and cool. Remove the windpipe and any gristle or skin..

Mince the liver and heart with the lamb. (Add some of the lights before mincing if you wish.)
Toast the oatmeal gently until crisp and pale golden brown.

Combine the suet and onion with minced mixture. Season well and add enough stock to moisten well. Pack it all into the stomach bag, filling it just over half-full as the stuffing will swell during cooking.

Tie the bag tightly with string. Prick the haggis all over with a needle to stop it bursting as it swells.
Put an upturned plate in the base of a saucepan of boiling water, stand the haggis on this and bring to the boil, and let it boil slowly for about 4 hours.

Makes enough for 6 to 8 helpings of delicious haggis.

This could almost be the lyrics of a song by Carcass.

Yet it's a tasty dish, if done right.

278 sattv4u2  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:27:10pm

re: #276 Nimed

I have noticed for the first time the elimination of all consecutive characters in excess of 3 when celebrating the USA soccer team goooaaals.

Sorry ,,, most USA soccer team goooaaals have been waved off according to the referee!!

//

279 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:27:22pm

Say, wasn't Lou Engle a topic here recently?

Rod Parsley and Lou Engle: America Needs Revival

:singing to a mad hip-hop beat: "Do you notice and recognize miracles natural disasters?"

280 Cato the Elder  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:27:28pm

re: #274 McSpiff

Seems like your code only strips out > when it has a matching < though, so >'s are fine? I'm not familiar enough with sanitizing user input to be honest.

What I would like to see would be a Charles code that would strip out every inane >> that Windsagio puts at the end of every other post.

Then I might take his libruhl dumbass seriously once in my life.

281 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:27:35pm

Just blocked another creep from the stalker blog from registering a sock puppet.

282 The Left  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:27:40pm

re: #275 Gus 802

Care for some lung, pancreas? Tonight's specialty is lamb appendix. We also have a pituitary gland soup.

//

I must say reine's daughter is brave than I am....

I'll have to try it at some point, I guess. :(

283 Ojoe  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:27:56pm

re: #277 Jimmah

Funky song there

284 albusteve  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:28:28pm

re: #275 Gus 802

Care for some lung, pancreas? Tonight's specialty is lamb appendix. We also have a pituitary gland soup.

//

gag me...I don't eat lungs
yer grossin me

285 Gus  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:28:43pm

re: #282 iceweasel

I must say reine's daughter is brave than I am...

I'll have to try it at some point, I guess. :(

Yeah. If you've eaten hot dogs or sausage before you've basically already eaten everything already.

286 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:29:03pm

re: #242 Jimmah

Yeah, but what about that smell? No thanks :D

It's Roast Flounceling, now being served. Here's your portion, Jimmah... (slides plates down)

287 Ojoe  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:29:25pm

re: #282 iceweasel

I thought, as I ate some, that if I were trying to keep warm on the windswept moors, I'd gobble down a lot of it.

BBL

288 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:30:05pm

re: #263 Jimmah

Looks like it :( Their Scottish relations - 'midgies' ever bothered me before though.

You'll need to keep me around you whenever you're here, then. My blood is like crack to mosquitoes, nobody else gets bit when I'm around.

/Will work for pizza and beer.

289 McSpiff  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:30:30pm

re: #280 Cato the Elder

What I would like to see would be a Charles code that would strip out every inane >> that Windsagio puts at the end of every other post.

Then I might take his libruhl dumbass seriously once in my life.

If you're willing to use greasemonkey, I will code you a script to do just that. I've also seen one that turns selected user's (the list is your choice) posts into comments about pies. I got a chuckle out of that one.

290 The Left  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:30:48pm

re: #285 Gus 802

Yeah. If you've eaten hot dogs or sausage before you've basically already eaten everything already.

That's definitely true. It's irrational but haggis squicks me.

291 Targetpractice  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:31:08pm

re: #281 Charles

Just blocked another creep from the stalker blog from registering a sock puppet.

Are there ever days when you feel a bit like an exterminator, wiping out pest infestations before they have a chance to do real damage?

292 Aye Pod  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:31:23pm

re: #272 Cato the Elder

Jimmah!

Welcum.

What is the name of the Scotch whisky that plays a big role in "Lost"?

Just testing to make sure it's you.

When you have answered correctly, the game may continue.

What is this "Lost" of which you speak? ;-)

Honestly - I've ever watched it so I really haven't a clue on that one.

293 albusteve  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:31:27pm

re: #285 Gus 802

Yeah. If you've eaten hot dogs or sausage before you've basically already eaten everything already.

fine...I can eat a Ball Park Frank
plumps when you cook it

294 sattv4u2  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:31:33pm

re: #289 McSpiff

If you're willing to use greasemonkey, I will code you a script to do just that. I've also seen one that turns selected user's (the list is your choice) posts into comments about pies. I got a chuckle out of that one.

someone must have applied that to Fat Bastard Veggie's account!!
//

295 freetoken  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:31:35pm

Contemplating writing up a review (and putting it up in the Pages) of Prothero's book (on fossils and evolution), comparing it to Dawkin's latest book and also Coyne's. Prothero is more difficult to read, not just from the technical terms but also because his writing is rather stilted or awkward. Yet he has so much information in that book that it should be on the desk of anyone dealing in the culture wars.

296 Cato the Elder  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:31:38pm

re: #261 Alouette

Doesn't go to 11?

The eleventh rib was removed for making Eve.

297 Digital Display  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:32:21pm

re: #271 zora

i also remember when people thought he was the antichrist. ronald wilson reagan. 666

Every number is my SS# is a 6 except for 3 numbers...My whole life has been telling somebody my SS#.. Yea ..it's blanky blanky..666..ah 66 mm 66
(I break up the dual triple 6's on purpose thinking nobody will notice)
Do you have any idea what it's like from a 5th grader having the Librarian look over her glasses while you rattle off a bunch of sixes? I have gone my whole life being ID's by the United States with 666 666.. I'm going to sue if I end up the Anti-Christ...I'll have the best lawyers at least

298 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:32:22pm

re: #281 Charles

Just blocked another creep from the stalker blog from registering a sock puppet.

Thanks, those scum are vile. But they still keep trying to sneak in here, and post their bile.

299 Targetpractice  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:33:41pm

re: #297 HoosierHoops

Every number is my SS# is a 6 except for 3 numbers...My whole life has been telling somebody my SS#.. Yea ..it's blanky blanky..666..ah 66 mm 66
(I break up the dual triple 6's on purpose thinking nobody will notice)
Do you have any idea what it's like from a 5th grader having the Librarian look over her glasses while you rattle off a bunch of sixes? I have gone my whole life being ID's by the United States with 666 666.. I'm going to sue if I end up the Anti-Christ...I'll have the best lawyers at least

Nah, you can't be the Anti-Christ, Obama's already workin' that gig.

///

300 Gus  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:34:15pm

re: #290 iceweasel

That's definitely true. It's irrational but haggis squicks me.

I hear ya'. I'm kind of squiggly about lengua (beef tongue). Never tried it but I imagine it tastes OK. The squiggliness comes from once seeing it in a soup (or sterw?) at a Mexican restaurant and it was clearly a tongue sitting in the bowl of soup. Guess the only way to find out is to try it.

301 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:34:31pm

re: #298 Dark_Falcon

Vile Bile. You've just come up with a punk-rock nick name.

302 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:34:33pm

re: #299 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Nah, you can't be the Anti-Christ, Obama's already workin' that gig.

///

You never met my ex.
/evening all.

303 sattv4u2  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:35:15pm

re: #300 Gus 802

I hear ya'. I'm kind of squiggly about lengua (beef tongue). Never tried it but I imagine it tastes OK. The squiggliness comes from once seeing it in a soup (or sterw?) at a Mexican restaurant and it was clearly a tongue sitting in the bowl of soup. Guess the only way to find out is to try it.

Tongue is very good. Lean,,, tender and tastes good

304 albusteve  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:35:18pm

re: #298 Dark_Falcon

Thanks, those scum are vile. But they still keep trying to sneak in here, and post their bile.

but when they do you go nuts with your fantasy cookouts...you want it both ways?

305 Gus  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:35:37pm

re: #303 sattv4u2

Tongue is very good. Lean,,, tender and tastes good

Anything like liver? I like liver.

306 Aye Pod  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:35:45pm

re: #284 albusteve

gag me...I don't eat lungs
yer grossin me

They're fine as log as they're served al-dente /

307 McSpiff  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:35:57pm

re: #304 albusteve

but when they do you go nuts with your fantasy cookouts...you want it both ways?

When life gives you lemons...

308 sattv4u2  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:36:10pm

re: #305 Gus 802

Anything like liver? I like liver.

Not really. The consistency is way different

309 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:36:18pm

re: #300 Gus 802

It tastes great, just like really good beef. Had it in a lengua burrito. It's a bit like chewing gum, though. Soft, tender, and extra-chewy.

310 albusteve  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:36:21pm

re: #300 Gus 802

I hear ya'. I'm kind of squiggly about lengua (beef tongue). Never tried it but I imagine it tastes OK. The squiggliness comes from once seeing it in a soup (or sterw?) at a Mexican restaurant and it was clearly a tongue sitting in the bowl of soup. Guess the only way to find out is to try it.

it's beef...taste similar to a roast

311 Ojoe  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:36:22pm

re: #300 Gus 802

Tongue is pretty good, cut it into slices & the shape won't freak you out.

Yes, BBL ...

312 Gus  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:36:37pm

re: #306 Jimmah

They're fine as log as they're served al-dente /

Lung Sushi ™

313 tradewind  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:37:24pm

re: #275 Gus 802
That sounds completely offal.

314 Targetpractice  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:37:42pm

re: #307 McSpiff

When life gives you lemons...

You make lemonade. And then you find someone whom life has given vodka, and have a party.

315 Aye Pod  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:38:18pm

re: #300 Gus 802

I hear ya'. I'm kind of squiggly about lengua (beef tongue). Never tried it but I imagine it tastes OK. The squiggliness comes from once seeing it in a soup (or sterw?) at a Mexican restaurant and it was clearly a tongue sitting in the bowl of soup. Guess the only way to find out is to try it.

A local butcher used to have a front window display of tongues of various sizes. Very creepy.

316 albusteve  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:38:37pm

as for eating cow guts, liver is very tasty...I've eaten a river of liver

317 Mocking Jay  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:38:44pm

Oh yeah. After the day I've had this Coffee Coolata is the high point.

318 Gus  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:39:01pm

re: #315 Jimmah

A local butcher used to have a front window display of tongues of various sizes. Very creepy.

Oh yeah. Come to think of it I remember seeing that a lot as a kid.

319 Digital Display  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:39:13pm

re: #299 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Nah, you can't be the Anti-Christ, Obama's already workin' that gig.

///

LOL
I was just at the BMV registering my car the other day..
You should have seen that old ladies eyes open up when she typed in my SS#..
666...666.. Yea..I've seen the look..Go for it Lady..You ain't the first...
It is the most embarrassing thing in the world...I'm over it cause it's so funny..Somebody had to be 666666.. The story of my life

320 albusteve  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:39:17pm

re: #315 Jimmah

A local butcher used to have a front window display of tongues of various sizes. Very creepy.

you been to China Town yet?

321 Mocking Jay  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:39:30pm

re: #316 albusteve

as for eating cow guts, liver is very tasty...I've eaten a river of liver

The more I think about the more I'm inclined to say the hematoma is in her hip, btw. That's where they said a lot of the internal bleeding is.

322 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:39:56pm

re: #311 Ojoe

Tongue is pretty good, cut it into slices & the shape won't freak you out.

Yes, BBL ...

I ordered it once as an experiment, and it felt like a mouthful of needles. Thought it might have been oxalic acid. Bad tongue, or some kind of intolerance perhaps?

323 sattv4u2  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:40:28pm

re: #315 Jimmah

A local butcher used to have a front window display of tongues of various sizes. Very creepy.

Girls would stand there and stare, daydreaming, for hours!

324 Mocking Jay  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:40:37pm

re: #321 JasonA

Should've just hit reply instead of quote since it had nothing to do with what you said...

325 tradewind  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:41:16pm

re: #307 McSpiff
Best use of that phrase overheard from mad-as-hell woman when confronting her man, who was blaming his cheating on hard luck...
'Life hands you a lemon, and you make skank-ade '!

326 Gus  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:41:40pm

re: #321 JasonA

The more I think about the more I'm inclined to say the hematoma is in her hip, btw. That's where they said a lot of the internal bleeding is.

They have her on blood thinners? Coumadin, etc.

327 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:41:46pm

re: #323 sattv4u2

Girls would stand there and stare, daydreaming, for hours!

Or buy and run home.
/

328 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:41:46pm

re: #319 HoosierHoops

I'm guessing this must be your license plate?

329 albusteve  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:41:48pm

re: #321 JasonA

The more I think about the more I'm inclined to say the hematoma is in her hip, btw. That's where they said a lot of the internal bleeding is.

hips are a piece of cake...take out the old and install a new one...I don't men that in a flip way...hang in there bro, your mom is tougher than you think...you'll see

330 Nimed  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:41:48pm

re: #278 sattv4u2

Sorry ,,, most USA soccer team goooaaals have been waved off according to the referee!!

//

Eh. We're still first in the group! And now we just have to beat Ghana and the winner of Uruguay-South Korea, and we're in the semi-finals. Piece of cake. It's as if we're there already.

The important thing is to avoid getting too cocky. :D

331 The Left  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:42:34pm

re: #297 HoosierHoops

Hoops, email, please check. love, ice

332 albusteve  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:42:39pm

re: #326 Gus 802

They have her on blood thinners? Coumadin, etc.

absolutely NOT...she is bound for surgery

333 Nimed  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:42:52pm

re: #307 McSpiff

When life gives you lemons...

Keep them. Because hey, free lemons!

334 Mocking Jay  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:43:43pm

re: #326 Gus 802

They have her on blood thinners? Coumadin, etc.

Hmm. I don't think so. Or at least I don't recall the doctor mentioning it.
re: #329 albusteve

hips are a piece of cake...take out the old and install a new one...I don't men that in a flip way...hang in there bro, your mom is tougher than you think...you'll see

Yeah, that's exactly what I told her today. She disagreed, but she's damn lucky to actually be alive. No head trauma or spinal injuries, either.

335 Gus  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:43:44pm

re: #332 albusteve

absolutely NOT...she is bound for surgery

Right. Was just looking and that can cause hematomas.

336 Digital Display  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:44:10pm

re: #331 iceweasel

Hoops, email, please check. love, ice

Just checked the BlackBerry.. Nothing friend...

337 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:44:38pm

re: #331 iceweasel

You, again!
*waves*

338 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:44:48pm

re: #334 JasonA

Dude, what happened?

339 Mocking Jay  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:44:57pm

re: #331 iceweasel

Hoops, email, please check. love, ice

re: #336 HoosierHoops

Just checked the BlackBerry.. Nothing friend...

Are you two Hiking the Appalachian Trail together...?

/

340 McSpiff  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:45:11pm

re: #337 Floral Giraffe

You, again!
*waves*

All the lovely ladies are here tonight

341 KingKenrod  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:45:55pm

re: #181 Slumbering Behemoth

Dude! Hasn't anyone ever told you that you never ask for Photoshop help on the interwebs? NSFW.

That was worth every second I wasted reading it. I may have a hernia.

342 albusteve  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:45:55pm

re: #334 JasonA

Yeah, that's exactly what I told her today. She disagreed, but she's damn lucky to actually be alive. No head trauma or spinal injuries, either.

yes, exactly...getting pasted by a van and all...she is extremely fortunate...the stuff she has going on will turn out fine...trust me
heh...really

343 Mocking Jay  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:46:07pm

re: #338 Slumbering Behemoth

Dude, what happened?

Mom got hit by a van Monday. She got banged up pretty damn bad. The consensus seems to be that she'll get through this just fine. It'll just be a long road to recovery.

344 albusteve  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:46:43pm

re: #340 McSpiff

All the lovely ladies are here tonight

you like my nails?

345 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:48:38pm

By the way, I'd like to encourage all LGF readers to retweet and share this post as often as possible. The stalkers are already lathered up over it; let's see if we can cause some embolisms.

346 McSpiff  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:48:39pm

re: #344 albusteve

you like my nails?

I could make an RN crack here but i won't :-)

347 Digital Display  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:49:50pm

re: #337 Floral Giraffe

You, again!
*waves*

Hi you!
Hope you are well

348 albusteve  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:50:13pm

re: #346 McSpiff

I could make an RN crack here but i won't :-)

what a relief!

349 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:50:44pm
350 The Left  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:51:38pm

re: #345 Charles

By the way, I'd like to encourage all LGF readers to retweet and share this post as often as possible. The stalkers are already lathered up over it; let's see if we can cause some embolisms.

That's worth reactivating the twitter account!

351 McSpiff  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:51:46pm

re: #348 albusteve

what a relief!

I know a couple of them that could kick my ass… Mom's a nurse, and most of the guys she works with dispel any of the stereotypes pretty quick.

352 Gus  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:52:02pm

re: #349 Charles

As the right wing continues diving over the cliffs of craziness:

“We implore General McChrystal to blow the whistle and go public with what he knows.” - The Campaign Spot - National Review Online

That's hilarious. "We implore." McChrystal isn't that stupid.

353 Mocking Jay  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:52:40pm

re: #349 Charles

As the right wing continues diving over the cliffs of craziness:

“We implore General McChrystal to blow the whistle and go public with what he knows.” - The Campaign Spot - National Review Online

Huh. Had a general done that two years ago it would have been called Treason™.

354 McSpiff  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:53:03pm

re: #352 Gus 802

That's hilarious. "We implore." McChrystal isn't that stupid.

Gus, I hate to be the one to tell you this... but you might wanna look at this months Rolling Stone before you say he isn't that stupid.

355 albusteve  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:53:05pm

re: #349 Charles

As the right wing continues diving over the cliffs of craziness:

“We implore General McChrystal to blow the whistle and go public with what he knows.” - The Campaign Spot - National Review Online

that will happen soon enough...not sure if it's a good thing or not...fighting a war is serious business and BO is already on the hot seat...I don't like any of it

356 Gus  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:53:17pm

re: #350 iceweasel

That's worth reactivating the twitter account!

Do it! I implore you! ;)

357 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:53:42pm

Tweet retweet
Good evening LGF!

358 Gus  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:53:47pm

re: #354 McSpiff

Gus, I hate to be the one to tell you this... but you might wanna look at this months Rolling Stone before you say he isn't that stupid.

Well, I was trying to be polite. That's why I said he isn't that stupid.

359 albusteve  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:54:20pm

re: #351 McSpiff

I know a couple of them that could kick my ass… Mom's a nurse, and most of the guys she works with dispel any of the stereotypes pretty quick.

good for her...male nurse come in every shape and size

360 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:54:50pm

re: #345 Charles

By the way, I'd like to encourage all LGF readers to retweet and share this post as often as possible. The stalkers are already lathered up over it; let's see if we can cause some embolisms.

Done. Hey, Stalkers! The "Totalitarian Fascists" just PWNed your asses!

361 tradewind  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:55:00pm

re: #352 Gus 802
Talking to Rolling Stone wasn't exactly smart.

362 McSpiff  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:55:22pm

re: #358 Gus 802

Well, I was trying to be polite. That's why I said he isn't that stupid.

I'm just pulling your leg. I don't think he's gonna leak the super sekrit birth certificate they've all been waiting for. I just hope he isn't as much of an attention...seeker...that he's come across as. Otherwise he might just embrace this Bad Crazy to stroke his ego.

363 The Left  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:56:00pm

re: #349 Charles

As the right wing continues diving over the cliffs of craziness:

“We implore General McChrystal to blow the whistle and go public with what he knows.” - The Campaign Spot - National Review Online

I shouldn't be surprised, but I am.

Here is Rich Lowry (Rich Lowry!!) earlier today in NRO:

Obama's Home Run

I’m not sure how Obama could have handled this any better. He was genuinely graceful about McChrystal and his explanation of why he had to go made perfect sense. He called for unity within his adminstration in pursuing the war and sounded quite stalwart about both the war and about the strategy. More importantly, his choice of Petraeus as a replacement for McChrystal is a brilliant move: He gets a heavy-weight, an unassailable expert in this kind of warfare, and someone who presumably can step in pretty seamlessly. He also picked someone who has expressed (very diplomatic) misgivings about the July 2011 deadline and who will have the clout and credibility to tell the president that he can’t afford to go down in troops when July comes, should circumstances warrant. (It should also be noted that this is a step down for Petraeus and he can’t relish directly managing another war — that he will do so speaks to his selfless patriotism.) In short,Obama has made the most of a rotten situation.

Lowry didn't get the wingnut memo yet.

364 albusteve  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:56:08pm

re: #361 tradewind

Talking to Rolling Stone wasn't exactly smart.

it's not RS...they just got lucky

365 Gus  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:56:15pm

re: #361 tradewind

Talking to Rolling Stone wasn't exactly smart.

Right. But this was in reference to the crazy please Charles mentioned:

“We implore General McChrystal to blow the whistle and go public with what he knows.”

366 Gus  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:56:37pm

re: #365 Gus 802

Crazy plea that is.

367 Mocking Jay  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:57:20pm

re: #363 iceweasel

Lowry didn't get the wingnut memo yet.

Did Obama send starbursts through the screen?

368 albusteve  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:57:34pm

re: #363 iceweasel

Lowry didn't get the wingnut memo yet.

what is your problem with this statement?

369 McSpiff  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:57:53pm

re: #359 albusteve

good for her...male nurse come in every shape and size

Most of her time was post surgical care. There was nurses there (of both genders) that could pretty much lift double their weight. Totally amazing. Luckily they're letting her do her last few years in a pre-op, interview type setting where she's been much happier.

370 Mocking Jay  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:58:15pm

re: #368 albusteve

what is your problem with this statement?

She doesn't have a problem with it.

371 freetoken  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:58:30pm

re: #349 Charles

NRO continues its unsteady, slow, but sure slide into the far right wing-nut land.

I say that not only because of the article you linked, but many others over the past couple of years.

Even the mild mannered Reihan Salam is now writing in support of the "shakedown" meme.

372 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:58:45pm

re: #343 JasonA

Holy shit dude, sorry to hear that. Hope all goes well. Did the fucker that hit her stick around or take off?

373 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:58:54pm
374 albusteve  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 7:59:32pm

re: #370 JasonA

She doesn't have a problem with it.

I see...nothing like clouding the issue...my bad

375 Mocking Jay  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:00:20pm

re: #372 Slumbering Behemoth

Holy shit dude, sorry to hear that. Hope all goes well. Did the fucker that hit her stick around or take off?

He stayed. She literally went under the van.

376 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:00:32pm

re: #349 Charles

As the right wing continues diving over the cliffs of craziness:

“We implore General McChrystal to blow the whistle and go public with what he knows.” - The Campaign Spot - National Review Online

Do note that it's not NRO saying that. Move America Forward said it.

377 Nimed  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:00:57pm

re: #367 JasonA

Did Obama send starbursts through the screen?

Damn, I was gonna say that.

378 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:01:19pm

re: #363 iceweasel

I think a lot of people were pleasantly surprised that Obama showed the toughness to terminate McChrystal in a very smooth fashion, and to replace him with the one General who has the credibility and proven track record to make the troops comfortable. I sure was.

379 Digital Display  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:01:28pm

re: #350 iceweasel

That's worth reactivating the twitter account!

Got your email..You are so sweet....I know that my SS# has 666 666 in it...I'm not worried about stalkers hacking my number to find out who I am.. Super computers or not..Ice...They have known who I am for quite a while...
LOL
Am I the Anti-Christ Ice? Am I?
Cause it's all about 6's sister!
*wink*

380 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:01:33pm

re: #376 Dark_Falcon

Do note that it's not NRO saying that. Move America Forward said it.

Is that similar to MoveOn.org?

381 simoom  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:02:14pm

re: #46 _RememberTonyC

this is a nice piece on Obama's popularity (or lack of) in the middle east.

[Link: rubinreports.blogspot.com...]

it gets one thing right. in the islamic world, force equals power and control. and if some in that region see us as "backing off," whether we intend to back off or not, it's not good on any level. it endangers our friends in the region, including many Arabs, Muslims, and Christians.

Here's the Pew Global Image Survey that rubinreports post is referencing:
PEW: Obama More Popular Abroad Than At Home, Global Image of U.S. Continues to Benefit

It's interesting to see which countries view us more and less favorably since the their last poll early in Obama's first term. We're down in Mexico (apparently a near 20 point fallout from the Arizona immigration imbroglio), we've improved with the Russians, the Chinese, the Polish, and a little with the Turks. We're still way up (59% approval) in Indonesia (the largest Muslim majority country), though down somewhat from the high earlier in Obama's presidency. We're even up a bit in Argentina though maybe that can be credited to a certain South Carolinian :P.

When looking at the median across the countries surveyed, 60% have a favorable view of the U.S. (up 20 points from '07) and 64% have confidence in the US President (up 43 points from '07).

382 The Left  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:02:18pm

re: #371 freetoken

NRO continues its unsteady, slow, but sure slide into the far right wing-nut land.

I say that not only because of the article you linked, but many others over the past couple of years.

Even the mild mannered Reihan Salam is now writing in support of the "shakedown" meme.

Most definitely. Earlier today I was shocked by the Lowry piece because it wasn't insane.

Also, I think NRO makes an official show of distancing themselves from crackpottery (e.g., the official editorial statement repudiating nirtherism) while encouraging it 'unofficially' (publishing Andy McCarthy's nirther apologetics).
This looks like more of the same CYA to me. Sadly.

383 McSpiff  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:02:25pm

OT, but if there is any iPhone 3GS users who haven't updated their software yet... do it! completely improves the user experience. As more apps support the task freezing, it just keeps getting better.

384 albusteve  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:02:28pm

re: #369 McSpiff

Most of her time was post surgical care. There was nurses there (of both genders) that could pretty much lift double their weight. Totally amazing. Luckily they're letting her do her last few years in a pre-op, interview type setting where she's been much happier.

I've had four operations in the last 16 months...on one occasion I overdosed on morphine and it was some male nurse kid that got me through it...bless his heart whoever he was

385 tradewind  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:02:40pm

re: #363 iceweasel
It was probably the best speech he's given since taking office, too bad it had to be on this occasion.
His speeches lately have been poorly focused, oceans of words without any clear purpose, leaving people with the after taste of ' huh? What'd he say '.... and this one was cogent, sincerely delivered, and very gracious, especially from someone with such an obviously think skin and tolerance for criticism. Whoever helped him with it needs a promotion.

386 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:03:13pm

re: #380 MandyManners

Is that similar to MoveOn.org?

Quick Google says "NO".

387 The Left  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:03:30pm

re: #376 Dark_Falcon

Do note that it's not NRO saying that. Move America Forward said it.

Right-- see my 382. They 'accidentally' manage to spread that stuff around while 'officially' repudiating it. Did the same with nirtherism.

388 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:04:01pm

re: #349 Charles

As the right wing continues diving over the cliffs of craziness:

“We implore General McChrystal to blow the whistle and go public with what he knows.” - The Campaign Spot - National Review Online

You're either with us or against us.

Disgusting.

389 albusteve  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:04:07pm

re: #378 Spare O'Lake

I think a lot of people were pleasantly surprised that Obama showed the toughness to terminate McChrystal in a very smooth fashion, and to replace him with the one General who has the credibility and proven track record to make the troops comfortable. I sure was.

I'm not...there was no choice in the matter...terminating the guy was not 'tough'

390 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:04:10pm

re: #387 iceweasel

Tricksy, they are!

391 avanti  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:04:13pm

re: #363 iceweasel

They do know the general is not "discharged", just relieved of his current command do they not ?

392 McSpiff  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:04:17pm

re: #384 albusteve

I'm willing to bet you made the same impact on a few people when you were practicing. Pay it forward.

393 bagua  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:04:51pm

She actually said "Civil war"? Good grief.

394 albusteve  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:05:00pm

Rich Lowery is not insane!...thread!

395 Targetpractice  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:05:02pm

re: #349 Charles

As the right wing continues diving over the cliffs of craziness:

“We implore General McChrystal to blow the whistle and go public with what he knows.” - The Campaign Spot - National Review Online

What does he "know" that would be of any use to them. That Obama is "bad"? Shit, that and a buck fifty will get you a small coffee at 7-11. I don't really believe he'd be so stupid as to start spilling military secrets or any really damaging dirt, which is exactly what they hope he'll do.

396 Gus  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:05:32pm
397 The Left  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:05:33pm

re: #390 Floral Giraffe

Tricksy, they are!

Tricksy, tricksy!1
How are you, cutie?

398 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:05:55pm

re: #380 MandyManners

Is that similar to MoveOn.org?

No, not really. It was founded as a counter to the Berkley Left's hysterics over the Marines putting an officer selection station in Berkley a couple years back.

399 freetoken  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:05:55pm

re: #382 iceweasel

I take it as more evidence of the fracturing of the "right", in that it doesn't seem possible to make a coherent political worldview out of all the fragments of the populace of this nation that want to self declare as "conservatives.)

The easy money is in hate and conspiracies, but some at the NRO still want to present themselves as intellectuals and so write long essays full of references.

Yet it is becoming clearer that the hate-mongers have an upper hand in these times.

400 Mocking Jay  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:06:24pm

re: #395 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

What does he "know" that would be of any use to them. That Obama is "bad"? Shit, that and a buck fifty will get you a small coffee at 7-11. I don't really believe he'd be so stupid as to start spilling military secrets or any really damaging dirt, which is exactly what they hope he'll do.

Be a Founding Father of the New (Old) America?

401 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:07:03pm

re: #397 iceweasel

Excellent!
And yourself?

402 Aye Pod  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:07:24pm

Woot! A small victory for reason over ignorance and dishonesty in Texas, of all places:

Judge tosses creationists' effort to offer master's degrees

A federal judge has thrown out a lawsuit by a creationism think tank and school that attempted to force the state of Texas to allow it to offer master's degrees in science education.

In 2008, the Texas Higher Education Coordinating Board rejected the Dallas-based Institute for Creation Research's application to offer master's degrees, which taught science from a biblical perspective. The institute's graduate school sued in 2009, claiming the board violated its constitutional right to free speech and religion.
'Disjointed, incoherent'

U.S. District Judge Sam Sparks of Austin found no merit in the institute's claims and criticized its legal documents as "overly verbose, disjointed, incoherent, maundering and full of irrelevant information."

In an e-mailed statement, school representatives said they were reviewing the decision and may appeal.

The National Center for Science Education, an Oakland, Calif.-based nonprofit that defends the teaching of evolution, cheered the decision.

"The Coordinating Board made a principled decision in the first place, and it is good to see it was upheld in a court of law," said Glenn Branch, the center's deputy director.

continued :

[Link: www.chron.com...]

403 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:07:33pm

re: #396 Gus 802

Hey look! I found a picture of Serr8d.

Loves it!

404 bagua  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:07:35pm

BTW

Bagua now has a Blackberry Curve! There is no looking back now Ludites, though I will still visit the primitive intertoobs from time to time.

You are either with me, or against me!

405 albusteve  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:07:59pm

re: #392 McSpiff

I'm willing to bet you made the same impact on a few people when you were practicing. Pay it forward.

I was a supreme nurse...patient oriented, the patient meant everything to me, so of course I had admin problems...a good RN is like God when someone is laying there all fucked up...my wife was an ER nurse at the same time

406 McSpiff  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:08:24pm

re: #400 JasonA

Be a Founding Father of the New (Old) America?

Someone looking for another Gen. Smedley Butler?

407 jaunte  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:08:31pm

re: #402 Jimmah

Go, sanity, go!

408 freetoken  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:08:34pm

re: #402 Jimmah

Well, it was a US district judge, who tend to be among the more sane in any given population.

409 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:09:20pm

re: #406 McSpiff

Someone looking for another Gen. Smedley Butler?

They would have the same luck.

410 tradewind  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:09:21pm

re: #365 Gus 802
I wonder if Moveon. org is going to reprise the full page' General Betrayus ' ad they ran a while back...

411 Mocking Jay  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:09:26pm

re: #408 freetoken

Well, it was a US district judge, who tend to be among the more sane in any given population.

Damn feds.

/

412 Gus  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:09:59pm

re: #402 Jimmah

Woot! A small victory for reason over ignorance and dishonesty in Texas, of all places:

Judge tosses creationists' effort to offer master's degrees

continued :

[Link: www.chron.com...]

Judge Sam Sparks...

He was nominated by President George H.W. Bush on October 1, 1991...

413 albusteve  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:10:22pm

re: #411 JasonA

Damn feds.

/

yeah, track his career....it's over

414 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:10:32pm

re: #399 freetoken

I take it as more evidence of the fracturing of the "right", in that it doesn't seem possible to make a coherent political worldview out of all the fragments of the populace of this nation that want to self declare as "conservatives.)

The easy money is in hate and conspiracies, but some at the NRO still want to present themselves as intellectuals and so write long essays full of references.

Yet it is becoming clearer that the hate-mongers have an upper hand in these times.

You should have read the previous issue of NR. They explored how the right erred on Civil Rights back in the day and also made a good case for the Federal Reserve. Both through refutations of the Pauls.

415 McSpiff  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:10:40pm

re: #405 albusteve

I was a supreme nurse...patient oriented, the patient meant everything to me, so of course I had admin problems...a good RN is like God when someone is laying there all fucked up...my wife was an ER nurse at the same time

From what I've heard, patient oriented will not get you far with management or the union. Although I might be biased, the worst nurse I know got her MBA to advance her career… just seems wrong.

416 The Left  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:10:42pm

re: #401 Floral Giraffe

Excellent!
And yourself?

Nifty! happy to see you, glad to hear it!

417 Gus  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:11:09pm

re: #410 tradewind

I wonder if Moveon. org is going to reprise the full page' General Betrayus ' ad they ran a while back...

Got me. You'll have to ask someone that knows about MoveOn.

418 freetoken  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:11:31pm

re: #414 Dark_Falcon

There are definite anti-Paulians in the mix, as the anti-JBS faction still appears to have an upper hand there.

I wonder how long will it last?

419 jaunte  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:12:02pm

re: #412 Gus 802

Funny guy, Sam Sparks:

"When the undersigned accepted the appointment from the President of the United States of the position now held, he was ready to face the daily practice of law in federal courts with presumably competent lawyers. No one warned the undersigned that in many instances his responsibility would be the same as a person who supervised kindergarten."
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
420 Nimed  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:12:26pm

Hey, check this out. Healthcare Reform Bill approval by age:

Image: 4gx0wak6ueuzbjze7hsmxq.gif

So, in case anybody's wondering -- no, this bill will never be repealed.

421 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:12:30pm

re: #398 Dark_Falcon

No, not really. It was founded as a counter to the Berkley Left's hysterics over the Marines putting an officer selection station in Berkley a couple years back.

So, cries that this is just another arm of the RIGHT-WING CONSPIRACY should fall flat.

422 The Left  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:13:24pm

re: #410 tradewind

I wonder if Moveon. org is going to reprise the full page' General Betrayus ' ad they ran a while back...

I doubt it very much, but I have no doubt that various wingnuts will want to talk about that all day now, in order to deflect attention from what is actually being said at the moment (hint: the crazy is coming from the right).

Oh, and uh-- Code Pink! Bill Ayers! Jeremiah Wright!

I just threw that last bit in to make my comment topical. Heh.

423 freetoken  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:14:08pm

re: #422 iceweasel

SOROS!!

424 albusteve  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:14:22pm

re: #415 McSpiff

From what I've heard, patient oriented will not get you far with management or the union. Although I might be biased, the worst nurse I know got her MBA to advance her career… just seems wrong.

I fought that fight and lost...unionizing nurses is the worst idea ever to come down the pike...so I went into radiography...same thing of course...I have real life personal reasons why I disdain unions...unions lead to excessive suffering

425 Nimed  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:14:38pm

re: #404 bagua

BTW

Bagua now has a Blackberry Curve! There is no looking back now Ludites, though I will still visit the primitive intertoobs from time to time.

You are either with me, or against me!

Nice toy!

426 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:15:42pm

re: #421 MandyManners

So, cries that this is just another arm of the RIGHT-WING CONSPIRACY should fall flat.

What year is it??

427 albusteve  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:15:56pm

re: #422 iceweasel

I doubt it very much, but I have no doubt that various wingnuts will want to talk about that all day now, in order to deflect attention from what is actually being said at the moment (hint: the crazy is coming from the right).

Oh, and uh-- Code Pink! Bill Ayers! Jeremiah Wright!

I just threw that last bit in to make my comment topical. Heh.

As the World Turns...stay tuned folks!

428 Aye Pod  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:16:13pm

re: #410 tradewind

I wonder if Moveon. org is going to reprise the full page' General Betrayus ' ad they ran a while back...

This doesn't relate to a talking point that's doing the rounds of all the wingnut blogs right now does it, by any chance?

429 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:17:06pm

re: #426 Stanley Sea

What year is it??

What year is what?

430 albusteve  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:17:30pm

re: #424 albusteve

and thanks for that...I've never talked about that stuff before, not here anyways

431 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:18:24pm

re: #426 Stanley Sea

What year is it??

Oh, I'm sorry. I figured you had taken the opportunity to Google and were asking me some question about what you found.

432 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:18:35pm

I've gotten three hate mails so far tonight from Geller fans.

433 albusteve  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:18:57pm

re: #428 Jimmah

This doesn't relate to a talking point that's doing the rounds of all the wingnut blogs right now does it, by any chance?

435 simoom  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:19:29pm

re: #381 simoom

Here's the Pew Global Image Survey that rubinreports post is referencing:
PEW: Obama More Popular Abroad Than At Home, Global Image of U.S. Continues to Benefit

Actually, one other interesting bit from the poll:

In contrast to the Bush years, there is substantial majority support for U.S. anti-terrorism efforts in Britain, France, Spain and Germany. The new poll also found major increases in support of the American efforts in two countries that have been struggling with terrorism of late: Indonesia and Russia, where roughly seven-in-ten say they back the U.S. in this regard. Publics in India, Brazil, Kenya and Nigeria also express strong support for U.S.-led efforts to combat terrorism. However, opposition to these policies is particularly strong in most Muslim countries, and it is also substantial in many nations where the U.S. is fairly well-regarded, including Japan and South Korea.

Considering Obama hasn't scaled back most of our anti-terrorism efforts and has in fact done the reverse in a number of areas (drone strikes for example), perhaps this is some evidence that diplomacy, soft power and changes in rhetoric can have a large impact on how much of the world perceives application of our hard power.

436 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:19:35pm

I LOVE YOU, STEVE!

437 tradewind  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:19:53pm

re: #380 MandyManners
DF is right, but Move America Forward was named purposefully as an alternative and counter to the ideas of Moveon.org.

438 Mocking Jay  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:19:54pm
439 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:20:11pm

BBC World TV is playing up the possibility that Obama's choice of Petraeus to replace McChrystal signals a move away from the current deadline to leave Afghanistan. They pointed out that only last week Gen. Petraeus testified before Congress that great care should be taken in setting deadlines for withdrawal from Afghanistan. If this is correct then it could signal yet another foreign policy veer to the right by Obama, which will doubtless cause lib heads to spin.

440 albusteve  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:20:38pm

re: #432 Charles

I've gotten three hate mails so far tonight from Geller fans.

Onward Christian Soldiers
freaks, lost in time...I can't believe they count for anything

441 Gus  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:20:48pm

re: #438 JasonA

Looters and Moochers!

Down with big government!

Now, where's my farm subsidy check.

/

442 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:20:49pm

Tonight on the Stalker blog, "carolina girl" uses a story of a man running over his own dog, to joke that it was Haku (Cato's dog who was run over). Can I nominate her for 2nd Place behind Pam the Harpy on the List of Vile Shrews?

443 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:20:51pm

re: #432 Charles

I've gotten three hate mails so far tonight from Geller fans.

Well, TRY HARDER, CHARLES! YOU CAN GET MORE IF YOU ONLY TRY HARDER!

444 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:21:15pm

re: #437 tradewind

DF is right, but Move America Forward was named purposefully as an alternative and counter to the ideas of Moveon.org.

So what?

445 McSpiff  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:21:27pm

re: #424 albusteve

I fought that fight and lost...unionizing nurses is the worst idea ever to come down the pike...so I went into radiography...same thing of course...I have real life personal reasons why I disdain unions...unions lead to excessive suffering

Her sister is in radiography… I don't think she's unionized, or at the very least its a better union. The differences can be pretty shocking. I'm sure the three of you would have some stories. Interesting that you did both tho, I haven't heard of anyone making that switch before.

re: #430 albusteve

and thanks for that...I've never talked about that stuff before, not here anyways

Shit, thanks for talking about it. I'm the dumbass kid remember? I'll take any learnin I can get.

446 albusteve  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:22:16pm

re: #436 MandyManners

I LOVE YOU, STEVE!

I'm here for you...even tho I'm on the verge of deletion

447 Varek Raith  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:22:20pm

Lol, it's funny because it's true!

[Link: www.newgrounds.com...]

448 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:22:27pm

And now there's another outrageous outrage.

The police in Dearborn stopped a fanatic anti-Muslim Christian group from handing out Bibles at an Arab cultural festival (a deliberately provocative thing they've been doing for several years), and the wingnut blogs are freaking out. Again.

449 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:22:40pm

re: #418 freetoken

There are definite anti-Paulians in the mix, as the anti-JBS faction still appears to have an upper hand there.

I wonder how long will it last?

I think they will maintain their hold and ultimately assist in the expulsion of the JBS from the conservative movement.

450 albusteve  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:22:46pm

re: #433 albusteve

busted post

451 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:23:09pm

re: #431 MandyManners

Oh, I'm sorry. I figured you had taken the opportunity to Google and were asking me some question about what you found.

Are you talking about Move America Forward or Moveon.org?

So, cries that this is just another arm of the RIGHT-WING CONSPIRACY should fall flat.

If you are talking about Move America Forward - their current twitter post is:

McChrystal's Opinion of Obama shared by others - including MAF [Link: fb.me...]

I don't know about right wing conspiracy, but boy are they feeding it.

452 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:23:10pm

re: #439 Spare O'Lake

BBC World TV is playing up the possibility that Obama's choice of Petraeus to replace McChrystal signals a move away from the current deadline to leave Afghanistan. They pointed out that only last week Gen. Petraeus testified before Congress that great care should be taken in setting deadlines for withdrawal from Afghanistan. If this is correct then it could signal yet another foreign policy veer to the right by Obama, which will doubtless cause lib heads to spin.

Times like these make me sorta'/kinda'/maybe/not really be in contact with DickHead.

453 freetoken  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:23:50pm

re: #448 Charles

"My God is bigger than your God"!

454 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:23:59pm

re: #449 Dark_Falcon

I think they will maintain their hold and ultimately assist in the expulsion of the JBS from the conservative movement.

I seriously doubt that.

455 bagua  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:24:12pm

re: #425 Nimed

Nice toy!

It really is, I'm catching up with the 20th century it appears. (PI)

456 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:24:34pm

re: #442 Dark_Falcon

I never go to that vile shithole and I don't want to read about what they are saying there about Lizards.

457 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:24:41pm

re: #448 Charles

And now there's another outrageous outrage.

The police in Dearborn stopped a fanatic anti-Muslim Christian group from handing out Bibles at an Arab cultural festival (a deliberately provocative thing they've been doing for several years), and the wingnut blogs are freaking out. Again.

Are there any sane accounts of the story?

458 Gus  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:24:48pm

re: #448 Charles

And now there's another outrageous outrage.

The police in Dearborn stopped a fanatic anti-Muslim Christian group from handing out Bibles at an Arab cultural festival (a deliberately provocative thing they've been doing for several years), and the wingnut blogs are freaking out. Again.

Good call by law enforcement. Clearly an attempt at incitement.

459 McSpiff  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:24:59pm

re: #446 albusteve

I'm here for you...even tho I'm on the verge of deletion

You're part of the furniture. For better or worse, you aren't going anywhere.

460 tradewind  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:25:08pm

re: #439 Spare O'Lake
Obama now owes Petraeus, and the general will not likely be willing to adhere to a firm ' out of there' date as a condition of taking this on. He can call in his chip ( moving the deadline), later, and Obama will have to listen.

461 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:25:11pm

re: #425 Nimed

Nice toy!

A device of Satan.

462 ReamWorks SKG  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:25:18pm

re: #320 albusteve

BTW: Last time I was in Beiking (Oct 2009) I saw "Palestinian Brain Tendons" on the menu. In fact, I took a photo

[Link: flic.kr...]

463 b_sharp  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:25:39pm

re: #432 Charles

I've gotten three hate mails so far tonight from Geller fans.

Is that all? Are you slipping?

Don't worry, I'm sure you're still way up there on their hit list.

Maybe they're all busy drooling over the picture you posted and haven't figured out how to drool and write at the same time.

464 albusteve  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:25:40pm

re: #456 Alouette

I never go to that vile shithole and I don't want to read about what they are saying there about Lizards.

ha!....too bad, we'll get updates forever

465 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:26:02pm

re: #464 albusteve

ha!...too bad, we'll get updates forever

From the obsessed.

466 bagua  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:26:25pm

re: #461 Walter L. Newton

A device of Satan.

Yes, I'm the owner.

467 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:26:38pm

re: #448 Charles

And now there's another outrageous outrage.

The police in Dearborn stopped a fanatic anti-Muslim Christian group from handing out Bibles at an Arab cultural festival (a deliberately provocative thing they've been doing for several years), and the wingnut blogs are freaking out. Again.

I would have just let them eat their martyr cookies.

468 The Left  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:26:48pm

re: #434 Gus 802

Check this one out...

Farmer who put up sign claiming Democrats are ‘party of parasites’ has taken $1 million in farm subsidies.

LOL.

Anyone see this? File under wingnut hypocrisy and 'we hate the poor':

Democrat raised 'in a chicken shack'

he first line of Ohio Gov. Ted Strickland's campaign biography boasts the Democratic governor is "the son of a steelworker" who "never imagined he'd be able to go to college."

Indeed, Strickland's humble upbringing is just the type campaigns love to highlight, and never more so during an economic climate that still hasn't shown signs for recovery for many Ohioans.

But the campaign of Strickland's Republican opponent -former U.S. Rep. John Kasich – is causing a stir for attacking the same simple origins Strickland celebrates.

Kasich spokesman Rob Nichols said in a statement Tuesday Strickland is a poor manager of Ohio's cities because the Democrat was raised "in a chicken shack on Duck Run."

Remind who the party of E-Lee-tists are again?

UPDATE: Democratic National Committee Chairman Tim Kaine, speaking in Cleveland Wednesday, also took a hit at the comments.

“I noticed that the other campaign yesterday ridiculed him for ‘growing up in a chicken shack on Duck Run Ohio,’” said Kaine. “I’m don’t know why they though that’s a bad thing, but maybe that’s how it looks from the perspective of a Lehman Brothers consultant.”

I wonder what the GOP would say about Lincoln today?/

469 Gus  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:26:54pm

re: #442 Dark_Falcon

Tonight on the Stalker blog, "carolina girl" uses a story of a man running over his own dog, to joke that it was Haku (Cato's dog who was run over). Can I nominate her for 2nd Place behind Pam the Harpy on the List of Vile Shrews?

Good lord. I have to resist the temptation of looking at those mouth breathers websites. Everytime I do look they remind of the lowlife racists and trash that we encountered from time to time when we lived in some crappy neighborhoods when we were kids. That's what they are. Low life trashy trouble makers.

470 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:26:59pm

re: #466 bagua

Yes, I'm the owner.

No gift form Satan is owned... it owns YOU!

471 albusteve  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:27:29pm

re: #459 McSpiff

You're part of the furniture. For better or worse, you aren't going anywhere.

I don't think I'm a favorite of Charles...but I don't try to get bounced, it just happens...Stinky is cool

472 Varek Raith  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:27:55pm

re: #470 Walter L. Newton

No gift form Satan is owned... it owns YOU!

PFFFTTT, Satan's a pansy.

473 bagua  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:27:56pm

re: #470 Walter L. Newton

No gift form Satan is owned... it owns YOU!

See that's the problem, I never read the fine print.

474 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:28:04pm

re: #448 Charles

And now there's another outrageous outrage.

The police in Dearborn stopped a fanatic anti-Muslim Christian group from handing out Bibles at an Arab cultural festival (a deliberately provocative thing they've been doing for several years), and the wingnut blogs are freaking out. Again.

They were not handong out Bibles. They were handing out tracts of The Gospel of John.

I've seen the video. Was there anything happening during the three-minute void?

Why did eight cops descend on a few Americans who were on public property?

475 The Left  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:28:16pm

re: #428 Jimmah

This doesn't relate to a talking point that's doing the rounds of all the wingnut blogs right now does it, by any chance?

50 bucks sez it will be spammed all over our morning thread by the AM Wingnut Wave.

476 avanti  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:28:30pm

re: #448 Charles

And now there's another outrageous outrage.

The police in Dearborn stopped a fanatic anti-Muslim Christian group from handing out Bibles at an Arab cultural festival (a deliberately provocative thing they've been doing for several years), and the wingnut blogs are freaking out. Again.

Someone tried to make the point of thinking of the reaction if it was Muslims handing out Koran's at a Evangelical Christian event, but to no avail.

477 Gus  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:28:33pm

re: #468 iceweasel

I wonder what the GOP would say about Lincoln today?/

Isn't it amazing? I mean, basically the GOP is running candidates that have the same mentality as the stalker trash. That's not by accident.

478 albusteve  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:29:11pm

re: #465 Walter L. Newton

From the obsessed.

pretty much...I don't get it myself, but I'm not with the in crowd

479 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:29:34pm

re: #475 iceweasel

50 bucks sez it will be spammed all over our morning thread by the AM Wingnut Wave.

Guaranteed.

480 Varek Raith  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:29:36pm

Thou shall keep thy religions to thyselves.

481 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:30:01pm

re: #478 albusteve

pretty much...I don't get it myself, but I'm not with the in crowd

Yes you are... you even got mentioned above "50 bucks sez it will be spammed all over our morning thread by the AM Wingnut Wave."

Wingnut Wave... you gotta love it.

482 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:30:12pm

re: #476 avanti

Someone tried to make the point of thinking of the reaction if it was Muslims handing out Koran's at a Evangelical Christian event, but to no avail.

Yeah, think about that.

483 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:30:19pm

re: #480 Varek Raith

Thou shall keep thy religions to thyselves.

Not while I'm here.

484 prairiefire  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:30:45pm

Crap, I need a root canal.

485 Gus  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:30:46pm

Me, me, me, me.

//

486 Varek Raith  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:30:46pm

re: #478 albusteve

pretty much...I don't get it myself, but I'm not with the in crowd

I'm hip like a bag of Cheez-Its.
Wait...

487 palomino  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:30:50pm

re: #46 _RememberTonyC

it gets one thing right. in the islamic world, force equals power and control. and if some in that region see us as "backing off," whether we intend to back off or not, it's not good on any level. it endangers our friends in the region, including many Arabs, Muslims, and Christians.

I think your analysis of much of the Islamic world is probably right. But do we have the resources (or the public support) to project power and control in the ME long enough to wait for this situation to change?

488 Aye Pod  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:30:52pm

re: #474 MandyManners


They were not handong out Bibles. They were handing out tracts of The Gospel of John.

That makes all the difference/

489 albusteve  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:31:00pm

re: #475 iceweasel

50 bucks sez it will be spammed all over our morning thread by the AM Wingnut Wave.

whoa!...really exciting!

490 Varek Raith  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:31:16pm

re: #483 Walter L. Newton

Not while I'm here.

:)

491 The Left  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:31:18pm

re: #474 MandyManners

They were not handong out Bibles. They were handing out tracts of The Gospel of John.

Yeah, that makes a huge difference.

492 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:31:23pm

re: #482 Stanley Sea

Yeah, think about that.

The religious right would go nuts. And Pam Geller would have 45 different threads on it, 4 rally's and post 15 videos on YouTube... in about 3 days.

493 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:31:25pm

re: #454 Charles

I seriously doubt that.

I'm an optimist on the subject, and it would be a good thing if it happened.

494 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:31:29pm

Powerline's John Hinderaker says tonight that because the police stopped these four Christians from harassing Muslims, it proves the US is about to be taken over by sharia.

495 albusteve  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:31:43pm

re: #481 Walter L. Newton

Yes you are... you even got mentioned above "50 bucks sez it will be spammed all over our morning thread by the AM Wingnut Wave."

Wingnut Wave... you gotta love it.

hang 10 bro!

496 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:31:53pm

Can I post the link I got?

497 Ojoe  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:31:54pm

re: #322 Decatur Deb

Maybe what the tongue was cooked with?
My family receipe for tongue has tomato & onion too, kind of like tongue cacciatori, & it doesn't go prickly at all.

498 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:32:07pm

re: #492 Walter L. Newton

The religious right would go nuts. And Pam Geller would have 45 different threads on it, 4 rally's and post 15 videos on YouTube... in about 3 days.

Exactly.

Hypocrisy is our friend if we close our eyes.

499 Gus  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:32:08pm

re: #494 Charles

Powerline's John Hinderaker says tonight that because the police stopped these four Christians from harassing Muslims, it proves the US is about to be taken over by sharia.

Clearly.

All your Bibles are belong to us!

/

500 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:32:27pm

re: #474 MandyManners

They were not handong out Bibles. They were handing out tracts of The Gospel of John.

I've seen the video. Was there anything happening during the three-minute void?

Why did eight cops descend on a few Americans who were on public property?

Because they were being assholes and harassing people who were trying to enjoy a nice day without being preached at by fanatics who hate them.

501 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:32:36pm

re: #476 avanti

Someone tried to make the point of thinking of the reaction if it was Muslims handing out Koran's at a Evangelical Christian event, but to no avail.

I have attended Jewish cultural events where "Jews for Jesus" were passing out tracts. At one of these venues, the Jewish Community Center, security was called and they were escorted from the building along with their crates of tracts.

502 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:32:51pm

re: #496 MandyManners

Yep. Those are the fanatics.

503 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:33:15pm

re: #494 Charles

Powerline's John Hinderaker says tonight that because the police stopped these four Christians from harassing Muslims, it proves the US is about to be taken over by sharia.

And which of the particular "sharia" laws cover this?

504 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:33:19pm

re: #496 MandyManners

Can I post the link I got?

[Video]

I wonder about the three-minute gap.

505 Gus  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:33:38pm

Let's see a bunch of activist Muslims showing up at a conservative Christian event handing out Korans.

Bet that would go over well.

506 The Left  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:33:49pm

re: #485 Gus 802

Me, me, me, me.

//

No, me! me! //

507 prairiefire  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:33:52pm

Wow, this thread is hot. Geller looks like an eye rolling lunatic in that screen shot.

508 palomino  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:33:54pm

re: #165 Charles

By the way, you don't see any focus on the positive aspects of the GOP and the right wing at LGF because ... there ARE NO positive aspects to focus on.

The right wing is off the rails, and the GOP is riding on the same train.

B-, b-, b-, but the gop is gonna win back seats in November. So everything must be OK with the party.

/

509 Varek Raith  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:33:58pm

re: #505 Gus 802

Let's see a bunch of activist Muslims showing up at a conservative Christian event handing out Korans.

Bet that would go over well.

QFT

510 albusteve  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:34:09pm

re: #491 iceweasel

Yeah, that makes a huge difference.

people have the right to do this...if it's distasteful, so be it...it's not illegal and I assume you support the law

511 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:34:12pm

re: #505 Gus 802

Let's see a bunch of activist Muslims showing up at a conservative Christian event handing out Korans.

Bet that would go over well.

See... re: #492 Walter L. Newton

512 avanti  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:34:35pm

re: #496 MandyManners

Can I post the link I got?


[Video]

They must have been disappointed that the cops stopped them before someone clocked them.

513 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:34:41pm

re: #494 Charles

Powerline's John Hinderaker says tonight that because the police stopped these four Christians from harassing Muslims, it proves the US is about to be taken over by sharia.

So what?

514 Gus  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:34:46pm

re: #511 Walter L. Newton

See... re: #492 Walter L. Newton

Copy that.

515 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:35:06pm

re: #484 prairiefire

Crap, I need a root canal.

Sorry to hear that.
Mine were as painless as a filling, if that helps, any.

516 Aye Pod  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:35:11pm

For the benefit of anyone still living in the past - hope this helps!

517 ReamWorks SKG  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:35:43pm

re: #457 Dark_Falcon

re: #494 Charles

I wish I could have the force of law to stop Mormons from ringing my doorbell, despite my "No Missionaries / No Soliciting / No Leaflets" sign under it.

It disturbs me that people who aren't hiding behind the facade of a "church" couldn't get away with ringing people's doorbells and telling them that unless you join their organization and give them 10% of your income, you're going to spend an eternity in a fiery, painful hell.

TO get back on topic, those people handing out xtian bible tracts at a Moslem event were assholes.

518 albusteve  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:35:44pm

re: #505 Gus 802

Let's see a bunch of activist Muslims showing up at a conservative Christian event handing out Korans.

Bet that would go over well.

yeah, check the speech record at UC Irving

519 The Left  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:36:08pm

re: #477 Gus 802

Isn't it amazing? I mean, basically the GOP is running candidates that have the same mentality as the stalker trash. That's not by accident.

Yeah. It's extremely disturbing to me. Those opinions are pretty much indistinguishable from what's left of the GOP. It's horrible.

520 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:36:10pm

re: #506 iceweasel

No, me! me! //

No! Me, me, me!
///
LOL!

521 Varek Raith  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:36:59pm

re: #520 Floral Giraffe

No! Me, me, me!
///
LOL!

Image: NO_U.jpg

522 Ojoe  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:37:04pm

re: #500 Charles

Being nasty with my favorite gospel at that.

Some people don't get it.

523 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:37:13pm

re: #520 Floral Giraffe

No! Me, me, me!
///
LOL!

HOW 'BOUT THEM LAKERS! (yes, I'm still reveling in it)

524 prairiefire  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:37:26pm

re: #515 Floral Giraffe

Sorry to hear that.
Mine were as painless as a filling, if that helps, any.

Thanks, FG. I haven't had one in about 15 years. It'll be ok, it just hurts right now.

525 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:38:11pm

re: #513 MandyManners

So what?

Mandy... these Christians were evidently there to harass and annoy the Muslims gathered there. The same way you are offended when I question your belief in a god. The same way you would be if Muslims were handing out something at an religious event you were attending.

Don't play dense. Don't play concerned Christian. You are fully well aware of what this all implies. Really, you don't do nuance very well, take it from me.

526 tradewind  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:38:17pm

re: #476 avanti
And it's a valid one, because who's going to risk the wrath of CAIR by confiscating a koran?/

527 jaunte  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:38:34pm

I hadn't seen the 'new registration' flag before. Cool.

528 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:38:35pm

And if you don't want to take my word for it that these assholes are fanatically anti-Muslim, go have a look at their website.

[Link: www.answeringmuslims.com...]

529 Gus  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:38:52pm

re: #518 albusteve

yeah, check the speech record at UC Irving

I don't see a comparison there. This is about an open public street fair with about 100,000 visitors per day.

530 The Left  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:39:11pm

re: #520 Floral Giraffe

No! Me, me, me!
///
LOL!

Ok, I'm cool with that. :-)
You, you, you!

531 avanti  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:39:17pm

re: #510 albusteve

people have the right to do this...if it's distasteful, so be it...it's not illegal and I assume you support the law

The police often step in to defuse potential trouble, even someone with a anti Obama or McCain shirt at the other's rally. They were looking for trouble, and the cops defused it. Any Muslim that wants to learn about Christ can do so on there own, just as Christians could about Islam.

532 Ojoe  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:39:48pm

re: #517 reuven

One time in College, at house I lived in, co-ed, we saw the Mormons coming, or it was the Jehova's Witnesses, so we all stripped naked & stood near the front door for their benefit after they knocked.

533 avanti  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:40:12pm

re: #513 MandyManners

So what?

Perhaps because the comment is insane.

534 tradewind  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:40:40pm

re: #508 palomino
The generic congressional ballot has GOP up by about 8%, so we're all going right down the tubes.

535 Digital Display  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:40:42pm

re: #523 Stanley Sea

HOW 'BOUT THEM LAKERS! (yes, I'm still reveling in it)

You cut me Sea...You really cut me...
/Congrads

536 Gus  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:40:59pm

re: #528 Charles

And if you don't want to take my word for it that these assholes are fanatically anti-Muslim, go have a look at their website.

[Link: www.answeringmuslims.com...]

Here's one of them "preaching the gospel" at the event:

Image: IMG00129.jpg

Yep. My radar says, trouble.

537 albusteve  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:41:12pm

re: #525 Walter L. Newton

Mandy... these Christians were evidently there to harass and annoy the Muslims gathered there. The same way you are offended when I question your belief in a god. The same way you would be if Muslims were handing out something at an religious event you were attending.

Don't play dense. Don't play concerned Christian. You are fully well aware of what this all implies. Really, you don't do nuance very well, take it from me.

the only aspect of the whole affair that means anything is the 1st amendment...it's gonna take a hit sooner or later

538 avanti  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:41:23pm

re: #532 Ojoe

One time in College, at house I lived in, co-ed, we saw the Mormons coming, or it was the Jehova's Witnesses, so we all stripped naked & stood near the front door for their benefit after they knocked.

I just say "Sorry, I'm a heathen."

539 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:41:26pm

re: #525 Walter L. Newton

Mandy... these Christians were evidently there to harass and annoy the Muslims gathered there. The same way you are offended when I question your belief in a god. The same way you would be if Muslims were handing out something at an religious event you were attending.

Don't play dense. Don't play concerned Christian. You are fully well aware of what this all implies. Really, you don't do nuance very well, take it from me.

By golly, by gum!


Sit your ass down and shut the fuck up when the cops show up to shut up down because someone might be offended.

540 freetoken  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:41:34pm

re: #536 Gus 802

blogspot no=no

541 ReamWorks SKG  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:41:42pm

I'm glad *MY* religion says that all righteous people have an equal place in the world to come. No need to proselytize!

542 simoom  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:41:45pm

re: #439 Spare O'Lake

BBC World TV is playing up the possibility that Obama's choice of Petraeus to replace McChrystal signals a move away from the current deadline to leave Afghanistan. They pointed out that only last week Gen. Petraeus testified before Congress that great care should be taken in setting deadlines for withdrawal from Afghanistan. If this is correct then it could signal yet another foreign policy veer to the right by Obama, which will doubtless cause lib heads to spin.

My recollection of Petraeus' testimony was that he stuck pretty closely to the Administration line, which is a draw-down that starts in July of 2011, where the pace is determined by facts on the ground (so it could potentially be quite slow).

I heard the McCain plans to push him on the deadline again during his upcoming confirmation hearings but I'd be surprised if he gets an answer much different from the above.

From the excerpt of Jonathan Alter's book that ran in Newsweek a little while back:

Inside the Oval Office, Obama asked Petraeus, “David, tell me now. I want you to be honest with me. You can do this in 18 months?”

“Sir, I’m confident we can train and hand over to the ANA [Afghan National Army] in that time frame,” Petraeus replied.

“Good. No problem,” the president said. “If you can’t do the things you say you can in 18 months, then no one is going to suggest we stay, right?

“Yes, sir, in agreement,” Petraeus said.

“Yes, sir,” Mullen said.

The president was crisp but informal. “Bob, you have any problems?” he asked Gates, who said he was fine with it.

The president then encapsulated the new policy: in quickly, out quickly, focus on Al Qaeda, and build the Afghan Army. “I’m not asking you to change what you believe, but if you don’t agree with me that we can execute this, say so now,” he said. No one said anything.

“Tell me now,” Obama repeated.

“Fully support, sir,” Mullen said.

“Ditto,” Petraeus said.

The added emphasis is mine.

I suppose it is always possible that Obama might be forced to reassess the deadline, though I doubt you'd see much evidence of that before the year end review.

543 Varek Raith  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:41:47pm

re: #536 Gus 802

Here's one of them "preaching the gospel" at the event:

Image: IMG00129.jpg

Yep. My radar says, trouble.

Linky no worky.

544 Mocking Jay  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:41:50pm

re: #470 Walter L. Newton

No gift form Satan is owned... it owns YOU!

re: #532 Ojoe

One time in College, at house I lived in, co-ed, we saw the Mormons coming, or it was the Jehova's Witnesses, so we all stripped naked & stood near the front door for their benefit after they knocked.

Now I've heard that if you tell them you've been disfellowshipped they'll avoid you like the plague. I don't know if it really works. Never get them around here.

545 Gus  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:41:53pm

re: #536 Gus 802

Here's one of them "preaching the gospel" at the event:

Image: IMG00129.jpg

Yep. My radar says, trouble.

Image wouldn't load.

546 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:42:11pm

re: #539 MandyManners

By golly, by gum!


Sit your ass down and shut the fuck up when the cops show up to tell you to shut up down because someone might be offended.

547 palomino  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:42:11pm

re: #448 Charles

And now there's another outrageous outrage.

The police in Dearborn stopped a fanatic anti-Muslim Christian group from handing out Bibles at an Arab cultural festival (a deliberately provocative thing they've been doing for several years), and the wingnut blogs are freaking out. Again.

In Houston, along Braes Bayou, a group of evangelicals regularly hands out religious tracts to the passersby using the jog/bike path. They always position themselves on the part of the path directly across from the JCC.

I've always thought this was in bad taste. Totally legal, of course, and the leaflet hawkers are very polite. But still bad taste. Maybe next time I'm there I'll work up the nerve to ask why they position themselves in such a way.

548 jaunte  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:42:21pm

Were they in the 'buffer zone, or no?

Therefore, the motion for an injunction pending appeal is GRANTED as follows. The relief granted hereby pertains only to the Festival to be held June 18, 19, and 20, 2010, after which this order will be deemed to have expired. During the hours that the Festival is open to the public on June 18, 19, and 20, 2010, Saieg shall be permitted to distribute his religious literature in the streets contained within the area referred to as the “outer perimeter” or “buffer zone.” This order leaves undisturbed the ability of the defendants to prohibit Saieg from distributing his religious literature within the Festival itself.
[Link: volokh.com...]
549 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:42:46pm

re: #536 Gus 802

photo didn't load for me

550 McSpiff  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:42:57pm

re: #546 MandyManners

Heard ya the first time.

551 Gus  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:43:12pm

re: #549 Stanley Sea

photo didn't load for me

I linked it in 545.

552 The Left  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:43:25pm
553 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:43:39pm

re: #539 MandyManners

By golly, by gum!

Sit your ass down and shut the fuck up when the cops show up to shut up down because someone might be offended.

Maybe you need to look over Charles link before you go shooting off your mouth. If this website and the information from this group doesn't convince you that these people want to cause as much trouble as possible, then you have a very odd sense of what is simply preaching and what is smug exceptionalism.

[Link: www.answeringmuslims.com...]

554 albusteve  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:43:42pm

re: #531 avanti

The police often step in to defuse potential trouble, even someone with a anti Obama or McCain shirt at the other's rally. They were looking for trouble, and the cops defused it. Any Muslim that wants to learn about Christ can do so on there own, just as Christians could about Islam.

I don't condone it...it will go to the courts eventually...another example of childish behavior that stresses out the SC...can't we all just get along?

555 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:44:28pm

Dhimmitude in America.


It still is a bad thing.

556 avanti  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:44:34pm

re: #546 MandyManners

That was the entire point of the exercise to offend, and cause trouble, the cops just stepped in to protect everyone.

557 Ojoe  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:45:10pm

re: #534 tradewind

Need Whig Candidates.

By the way, the Modern Whig Party and the American Centrist Party just joined together under the Whig name
Modern Whig Party.

And here's this evening's Towercam. SAn GAbriel Mountains of California, Pacific time zone.

Good night all.

558 Varek Raith  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:45:26pm

re: #555 MandyManners

Good grief.

559 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:45:43pm

re: #544 JasonA

Now I've heard that if you tell them you've been disfellowshipped they'll avoid you like the plague. I don't know if it really works. Never get them around here.

I suspect you have heard that from me. You have to tell them you have been disfellowship, that you are an apostate, not simply disassociated... big difference. If two Witnesses come to your door, ask them if either of them are an Elder. Only Elders are allowed to speak to apostates... regular members are not spiritually strong enough to deal with an apostate.

I know... I am an apostate from Jehovah's Organization.

560 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:45:59pm

re: #550 McSpiff

Heard ya the first time.

Thank you.

561 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:46:06pm

re: #551 Gus 802

I linked it in 545.

always behind on the tread...always

562 The Left  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:46:09pm

re: #555 MandyManners

Dhimmitude in America.

It still is a bad thing.

Please list examples of said 'dhimmitude' with links.

Try not to link another holocaust denial site, if possible. KTHNXBAI

563 prairiefire  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:46:32pm

It reminds me of the pig races that were threatened to be held on land that was designated for a Mosque in Houston.

564 albusteve  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:46:52pm

re: #553 Walter L. Newton

Maybe you need to look over Charles link before you go shooting off your mouth. If this website and the information from this group doesn't convince you that these people want to cause as much trouble as possible, then you have a very odd sense of what is simply preaching and what is smug exceptionalism.

[Link: www.answeringmuslims.com...]

so what are you gonna do?...they are legal freaks, they know their rights

565 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:47:13pm

re: #555 MandyManners

Dhimmitude in America.

It still is a bad thing.

and you are an ass

566 McSpiff  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:47:14pm

re: #555 MandyManners

Don't forgot to check under the bed, you never know where those sneaky muslims will be hiding next. Boo!

567 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:47:20pm

re: #539 MandyManners

By golly, by gum!

Sit your ass down and shut the fuck up when the cops show up to shut up down because someone might be offended.

These people were about as welcome at this event as the Phelps cult is everywhere.

568 Mocking Jay  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:47:39pm

re: #559 Walter L. Newton

I suspect you have heard that from me. You have to tell them you have been disfellowship, that you are an apostate, not simply disassociated... big difference. If two Witnesses come to your door, ask them if either of them are an Elder. Only Elders are allowed to speak to apostates... regular members are not spiritually strong enough to deal with an apostate.

I know... I am an apostate from Jehovah's Organization.

No, I've actually heard that elsewhere. Not that I'm doubting you, but I know for a fact that it was another board. Thanks for confirming that for me.

569 Aye Pod  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:47:42pm

re: #546 MandyManners

You are defending a bunch of bigots who were clearly out looking to harass peaceful citizens. Talk about willful blindness.

570 The Left  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:47:43pm

re: #564 albusteve

so what are you gonna do?...they are legal freaks, they know their rights

Who is this 'they'?

571 Racer X  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:47:46pm

re: #557 Ojoe

Need Whig Candidates.

By the way, the Modern Whig Party and the American Centrist Party just joined together under the Whig name
Modern Whig Party.

And here's this evening's Towercam. SAn GAbriel Mountains of California, Pacific time zone.

Good night all.


Awesome view this evening!

572 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:47:51pm

re: #555 MandyManners

Dhimmitude in America.

It still is a bad thing.

It not dhimmitude. Dhimmitude is only possible in a fully Sharia compliant society, where you are a non-Muslim who has agreed to accept your place in that culture as a less than member of that society.

But you already know that.

573 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:48:24pm

re: #556 avanti

That was the entire point of the exercise to offend, and cause trouble, the cops just stepped in to protect everyone.

Source for that opinion?

(No, TPM won't suffice.)

574 sattv4u2  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:48:36pm

re: #562 iceweasel

KTHNXBAI

Either your keyboard is busted or my eyes are!

575 The Left  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:48:49pm

re: #569 Jimmah

You are defending a bunch of bigots who were clearly out looking to harass peaceful citizens. Talk about willful blindness.

She'd be the first and loudest screaming if Muslims did this to Christians.

576 albusteve  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:48:52pm

re: #570 iceweasel

Who is this 'they'?

the bible punchers, obviously

577 Ojoe  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:48:52pm

re: #571 Racer X

Megawatts!

G'night again

It is hard to quit this intelligent site.

578 palomino  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:49:01pm

re: #494 Charles

Powerline's John Hinderaker says tonight that because the police stopped these four Christians from harassing Muslims, it proves the US is about to be taken over by sharia.

Sort of like complaining that there's a War on Christmas because some department stores say "Happy Holidays."

579 avanti  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:49:11pm

re: #563 prairiefire

It reminds me of the pig races that were threatened to be held on land that was designated for a Mosque in Houston.

"So much blood has been shed by the Church because of an omission from the Gospel: "Ye shall be indifferent as to what your neighbor's religion is." Not merely tolerant of it, but indifferent to it. Divinity is claimed for many religions; but no religion is great enough or divine enough to add that new law to its code.
- Mark Twain, a Biography

580 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:49:23pm

re: #573 MandyManners

Source for that opinion?

(No, TPM won't suffice.)

HOW ABOUT THEIR OWN FUCKING WEBSITE WHICH WAS LINKED TO AT LEAST 3 TIMES ABOVE!

Blind?

581 The Left  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:49:33pm

re: #574 sattv4u2

KTHNXBAI

Either your keyboard is busted or my eyes are!

Yeah, just dumb LOLcat speak. Not missing anything if you don't get it.

582 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:49:59pm

re: #565 Stanley Sea

Truth hurts.

583 albusteve  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:50:18pm

re: #574 sattv4u2

KTHNXBAI

Either your keyboard is busted or my eyes are!

really...WTFIGO?
it's cool now to post in code

584 ReamWorks SKG  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:50:25pm

re: #567 Alouette

Aha! I'm glad you brought up Phelps! Didn't the Bush administration get some legislation passed (that's yet to be tested in federal cout) to prohibit protesting at military funerals? I don't recall Conservatives up in arms over the Government prohibiting a Church from disseminating information.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

585 McSpiff  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:50:35pm

re: #582 MandyManners

Truth hurts.

Not nearly as much as blind stupidity and hate.

586 Varek Raith  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:50:45pm

re: #583 albusteve

really...WTFIGO?
it's cool now to post in code

WOWZERSWTFASAURUS!

587 Mocking Jay  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:50:50pm

Oh, I see how this works. These Christians are just trying to spread the Good Word with the bestest and shiniest of intentions.

The Muslims who want to build a mosque at Ground Zero must be doing so to rub our faces in it.

K. I'm glad I understand these distinctions now.

588 albusteve  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:50:57pm

re: #581 iceweasel

Yeah, just dumb LOLcat speak. Not missing anything if you don't get it.

that's what I thought too

589 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:51:09pm

re: #584 reuven

Aha! I'm glad you brought up Phelps! Didn't the Bush administration get some legislation passed (that's yet to be tested in federal cout) to prohibit protesting at military funerals? I don't recall Conservatives up in arms over the Government prohibiting a Church from disseminating information.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Phelps is a lefty.

590 tradewind  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:51:17pm

re: #542 simoom
Not that Newsweek's Jonathan Alter would alter a thing./

591 Racer X  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:51:32pm

re: #523 Stanley Sea

HOW 'BOUT THEM LAKERS! (yes, I'm still reveling in it)

Lakers!

Three-Peat!
Three-Peat!
Three-Peat!

592 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:51:32pm

re: #582 MandyManners

Truth hurts.

Your paranoid truth hurts you and whoever listens without checking for themselves.

593 Gus  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:51:36pm

That does it. I need a bong hit.

594 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:51:41pm

re: #584 reuven

Aha! I'm glad you brought up Phelps! Didn't the Bush administration get some legislation passed (that's yet to be tested in federal cout) to prohibit protesting at military funerals? I don't recall Conservatives up in arms over the Government prohibiting a Church from disseminating information.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Because the Phelps cult is not a church, they are a gang of raving freaks.

595 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:51:42pm

re: #497 Ojoe

Maybe what the tongue was cooked with?
My family receipe for tongue has tomato & onion too, kind of like tongue cacciatori, & it doesn't go prickly at all.

Yeah--maybe it was the side of oleander leaves.

596 tradewind  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:51:54pm

re: #575 iceweasel
LOL@If?

597 albusteve  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:52:10pm

re: #587 JasonA

Oh, I see how this works. These Christians are just trying to spread the Good Word with the bestest and shiniest of intentions.

The Muslims who want to build a mosque at Ground Zero must be doing so to rub our faces in it.

K. I'm glad I understand these distinctions now.

all that is the fluff...it's legal, that's the problem

598 Racer X  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:52:18pm

re: #593 Gus 802

That does it. I need a bong hit.

I'm in!

599 avanti  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:52:20pm

re: #573 MandyManners

Source for that opinion?

(No, TPM won't suffice.)

So you truly believe they thought they were there merely to proselytize and hoped to convent a Muslim or two ? Why the camera's and hype than ?

600 ReamWorks SKG  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:52:36pm

re: #594 Alouette

Well, I have no expertise to determine which xtians are sane and which aren't.

601 Mocking Jay  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:52:37pm

re: #594 Alouette

Because the Phelps cult is not a church, they are a gang of raving freaks.

What awesome Christians they are to want to see people dead.

602 The Left  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:52:39pm

re: #573 MandyManners

Source for that opinion?

(No, TPM won't suffice.)

Really, why not.
PS: Did you have issues with TPM when Charles has linked them?

Take your time answering. i'm fairly sure it's just about time for you to start spamming the thread with bible verses and religious songs.

603 albusteve  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:52:48pm

re: #593 Gus 802

That does it. I need a bong hit.

me too...see you in a few bro

604 prairiefire  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:52:49pm

re: #593 Gus 802

That does it. I need a bong hit.

Asthma sucks.

605 Gus  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:53:21pm

re: #604 prairiefire

Asthma sucks.

I don't really have any. But I could sure use some now.

606 McSpiff  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:53:34pm

re: #589 Walter L. Newton

Phelps is a lefty.

He's a religious nut, I don't think the left-right spectrum can accurately chart that much crazy (We are talking about West Borough right? or did i make an ass out of myself...)

607 palomino  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:53:45pm

re: #534 tradewind

The generic congressional ballot has GOP up by about 8%, so we're all going right down the tubes.

You don't see serious problems that won't be corrected simply by winning back some seats?

As for the generic ballot, of course gop will win back seats. The Dems are overweight in Congress--too many seats in conservative-leaning districts and states. Like the stock market, Congress corrects itself periodically. This doesn't mean all is well in the party.

608 tradewind  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:54:00pm

re: #587 JasonA
Up-dinged for accidental truth seeping out despite intent.

609 b_sharp  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:54:13pm

re: #589 Walter L. Newton

Phelps is a lefty.

Phelps is a hateful, putrid pile of dog snot.

610 prairiefire  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:54:22pm

re: #605 Gus 802

I'm just old and falling apart.

611 Aye Pod  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:54:25pm

re: #596 tradewind

LOL@If?

We have peaceful christian church goers regularly being harassed by hordes of swaggering muslim rabble rousers? Must have missed that...

612 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:54:31pm

re: #605 Gus 802

I don't really have any. But I could sure use some now.

You want asthma? If you want, come on up hill here. The pine pollen is in full bloom, you should be barely able to breath in about 24 hours. Always willing to help out.

613 b_sharp  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:54:51pm

re: #593 Gus 802

That does it. I need a bong hit.

Did you bring enough for the whole class?

614 Varek Raith  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:55:10pm

Lol, religion.

615 Mocking Jay  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:55:35pm

re: #597 albusteve

all that is the fluff...it's legal, that's the problem

Has a group never before been denied the freedom to prostelytize at re: #614 Varek Raith

Lol, religion.

*chortle*

616 prairiefire  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:55:43pm

re: #612 Walter L. Newton

I'm the one with asthma and I'm going to CO in July! Yay...

617 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:55:44pm

re: #606 McSpiff

He's a religious nut, I don't think the left-right spectrum can accurately chart that much crazy (We are talking about West Borough right? or did i make an ass out of myself...)

Yes... he's a democrat, has attempted to run for office 5 times... I like that... he's off the chart, but idiots like Engle aren't. Wonderful game you play.

618 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:55:49pm

re: #606 McSpiff

He's a religious nut, I don't think the left-right spectrum can accurately chart that much crazy (We are talking about West Borough right? or did i make an ass out of myself...)

Phelps is such a raving freakzoid nut sandwich, he makes Glenn Beck look normal.

619 ReamWorks SKG  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:56:03pm

re: #609 b_sharp

I vacillate between thinking he's simply mad, to thinking he's a very clever--but evil--performance artist.

620 albusteve  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:56:23pm

re: #605 Gus 802

I don't really have any. But I could sure use some now.

too bad for you...but if you were here I'd give you half of what I have, an ageless NM tradition

621 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:56:26pm

re: #616 prairiefire

I'm the one with asthma and I'm going to CO in July! Yay...

Where... are you stopping by the Secret Mountain Lair? All Lizards are welcome.

622 McSpiff  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:56:28pm

re: #617 Walter L. Newton

Yes... he's a democrat, has attempted to run for office 5 times... I like that... he's off the chart, but idiots like Engle aren't. Wonderful game you play.

Woah, who's Engle? No one I've ever mentioned.

623 Gus  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:56:34pm

re: #614 Varek Raith

Lol, religion.

A

624 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:57:06pm

re: #621 Walter L. Newton

Where... are you stopping by the Secret Mountain Lair? All Lizards are welcome.

Praire! You must visit Walter!

625 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:57:31pm

re: #375 JasonA

He stayed. She literally went under the van.

AFK...

Damn, she is lucky not to be worse off. At least the dude stuck around. DUI, or just not paying attention?

Hope she get's well soon, bro.

626 Mocking Jay  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:57:52pm

re: #615 JasonA

Ah, that wasn't meant to quote you, Steve.

627 What, me worry?  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:58:02pm

The guy and his friends in the video were handing out pages only to the two women who were obviously Muslim. Another few people walked up in Western style clothing and they ignored them. At least the Jehovah's are consistent.

If a church group was handing out Christian literature at a Jewish event, I would hope the cops would move them along (and I'd call them to do so). I'm not sure it's an arrestable offense, but I'd be curious to know what the conversation was with these guys. Were they given the option to leave and if not, be arrested? I'm assuming so.

628 The Left  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:58:07pm

re: #596 tradewind

LOL@If?

You're right, there shouldn't have been any 'if' in there-- lets do it again: Mandy screams about Muslims all day long; there is no 'if' about it.

Thanks for the correction.

629 prairiefire  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:58:08pm

re: #621 Walter L. Newton

Thank you , Walter. We will be in Lake Dillon, making road trips in the vicinity. There seems to be a lot for kids to do in Denver.

630 b_sharp  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:58:30pm

re: #619 reuven

I vacillate between thinking he's simply mad, to thinking he's a very clever--but evil--performance artist.

In his case those two are not mutually exclusive.

631 Nimed  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:58:52pm

No doubt this "Answering Muslims" group are a bunch of assholes. But I don't get what was the legal basis for forbidding them from distributing the Gospels. How is that harassment?

And by the way, why the Gospel of John? Personally, I would have gone with Luke and a copy of the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy.

632 Gus  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:58:58pm

re: #628 iceweasel

You're right, there shouldn't have been any 'if' in there-- lets do it again: Mandy screams about Muslims all day long; there is no 'if' about it.

Thanks for the correction.

Tennis!

633 Mocking Jay  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:59:04pm

re: #625 Slumbering Behemoth

AFK...

Damn, she is lucky not to be worse off. At least the dude stuck around. DUI, or just not paying attention?

Hope she get's well soon, bro.

It seems to me like he blew through the "Stop Here on Red" sign that she was crossing at. And yeah, first thing she does when she gets out of the hospital is buy a lotto ticket...

634 tradewind  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:59:15pm

re: #556 avanti

That was the entire point of the exercise to offend, and cause trouble


That's your opinion. Not everyone who wants to share the principles of their faith is bent on wreaking havoc.

635 albusteve  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:59:16pm

re: #609 b_sharp

Phelps is a hateful, putrid pile of dog snot.

nice...you in a good mood?
Phelps is worse than that...
I'd love to meet the guy, and his god gooners

636 palomino  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:00:01pm

re: #589 Walter L. Newton

Phelps is a lefty.

Huh, what kind of lefty protests against gay rights? (And please don't say Robert Byrd, he'll be dead soon and then the Dems can stop apologizing for him.)

637 McSpiff  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:00:03pm

re: #634 tradewind

That's your opinion. Not everyone who wants to share the principles of their faith is bent on wreaking havoc.

And the police who charged them with Breaching the Peace.

638 Mocking Jay  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:00:05pm

re: #619 reuven

I vacillate between thinking he's simply mad, to thinking he's a very clever--but evil--performance artist.

re: #630 b_sharp

In his case those two are not mutually exclusive.

Are talking about Glenn Beck again?

/

639 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:00:11pm

re: #633 JasonA

It seems to me like he blew through the "Stop Here on Red" sign that she was crossing at. And yeah, first thing she does when she gets out of the hospital is buy a lotto ticket...

Go buy one for her.
She can use it to have some happy thoughts, while she's in the hospital!

640 What, me worry?  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:00:36pm

re: #631 Nimed

No doubt this "Answering Muslims" group are a bunch of assholes. But I don't get what was the legal basis for forbidding them from distributing the Gospels. How is that harassment?

And by the way, why the Gospel of John? Personally, I would have gone with Luke and a copy of the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy.

The Jehovah's go to malls, hang out downtown, etc. distributing the Watchtower. Maybe there are cops who chase them away, say, if a store owner complains, but even so, they don't target a specific group. These guys were looking for some trouble.

641 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:01:14pm

re: #629 prairiefire

Thank you , Walter. We will be in Lake Dillon, making road trips in the vicinity. There seems to be a lot for kids to do in Denver.

Let me know... online or click on my name... there are a number of free things that would be fun for a family up in my neck of the woods, and you are only about 50 mile away... what ever, maybe we can meet downhill in Denver... or arrange something.

642 Mocking Jay  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:01:44pm

re: #639 Floral Giraffe

Go buy one for her.
She can use it to have some happy thoughts, while she's in the hospital!

She'll probably get a windfall just from the damn insurance company seeing the damage that's been done to her.

643 prairiefire  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:02:09pm

re: #641 Walter L. Newton

Sounds good. I will email you when it gets closer to our trip.

Night, lizards.

644 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:02:10pm

re: #634 tradewind

That's your opinion. Not everyone who wants to share the principles of their faith is bent on wreaking havoc.

All you have to do is take a look around their website if you're really interested in learning what drives this group of freaks.

They are fanatically anti-Muslim, and they're determined to harass Muslims wherever they can. They're not "sharing the principles of their faith," they're deranged.

645 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:02:25pm

re: #636 palomino

Huh, what kind of lefty protests against gay rights? (And please don't say Robert Byrd, he'll be dead soon and then the Dems can stop apologizing for him.)

"a past civil rights activist in Kansas, and a Democrat who has five times been a candidate for political office in Kansas Democratic Party primaries. He and his daughter, Shirley Phelps-Roper, are banned from entering the United Kingdom.[6]"

646 albusteve  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:02:25pm

re: #612 Walter L. Newton

You want asthma? If you want, come on up hill here. The pine pollen is in full bloom, you should be barely able to breath in about 24 hours. Always willing to help out.

never had that problem, but something blows down here from up there in the spring...people here get fucked up....all those holes in your face and all that

647 The Left  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:02:31pm

re: #632 Gus 802

Tennis!

It's just too easy sometimes.

I always did like to charge the net and volley. :-)

648 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:03:38pm

re: #642 JasonA

Yes, but she could probably use something to smile about, NOW.
And, that's sad money.

649 b_sharp  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:03:41pm

re: #635 albusteve

nice...you in a good mood?
Phelps is worse than that...
I'd love to meet the guy, and his god gooners

I'm in too good a mood to say what I really feel about Phelps and his sycophantic loser minions.

Phelps disgusts me. If I met him, he would probably end up on the ground.

650 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:03:47pm

re: #640 marjoriemoon

The Jehovah's go to malls, hang out downtown, etc. distributing the Watchtower. Maybe there are cops who chase them away, say, if a store owner complains, but even so, they don't target a specific group. These guys were looking for some trouble.

They don't distribute the Watchtower, then sell the Watchtower. And their name is Jehovah's Witnesses... not the Jehovah's. That is a rude as using some made up name for another religious sect.

651 jaunte  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:04:00pm

re: #634 tradewind

That's your opinion. Not everyone who wants to share the principles of their faith is bent on wreaking havoc.

I think that trying to forcibly share your principles with anyone is likely to cause havoc.

652 ReamWorks SKG  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:04:07pm

re: #635 albusteve

I was in Wichita last year for a business trip, so I decided to drive by Phelps Church. I was hoping it would have a cool "Church Sign" in front, or maybe even a gift shop!

No such luck. A nondescript building.

653 tradewind  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:04:23pm

re: #628 iceweasel
An actual answer would have required that you work with the ' if ' you were dealt, not the ' if ' you substituted.

654 b_sharp  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:04:27pm

re: #638 JasonA

Are talking about Glenn Beck again?

/

Somebody worse, much worse.

655 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:04:45pm

re: #528 Charles

And if you don't want to take my word for it that these assholes are fanatically anti-Muslim, go have a look at their website.

[Link:

656 Mr. Crankypants  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:04:57pm

re: #651 jaunte

I think that trying to forcibly share your principles with anyone is likely to cause havoc.

Most that want to share their principles DO NOT WANT you to return the favor.

657 What, me worry?  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:04:57pm

re: #650 Walter L. Newton

They don't distribute the Watchtower, then sell the Watchtower. And their name is Jehovah's Witnesses... not the Jehovah's. That is a rude as using some made up name for another religious sect.

They've never asked for money from me. They just hand me the pamphlet.

Sorry about the name thing. I'm tired and lazy to type.

658 Mocking Jay  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:05:04pm

For the record, I'd be against a group handing out The Origin of Species at a Creationist festival, too.

659 palomino  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:05:05pm

re: #604 prairiefire

Asthma sucks.

You can always try the Volcano vaporizer. It's expensive, but the smoke is much less harsh. And of course there's always magic brownies--but they are a complete pain in the ass to make.

660 ReamWorks SKG  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:05:14pm

re: #636 palomino

At the SF Gay Pride parade there's usually a lefty group against gay rights marching with the rest of them: It's the pro Hamas "Free Palestine" group.

661 albusteve  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:05:22pm

re: #631 Nimed

No doubt this "Answering Muslims" group are a bunch of assholes. But I don't get what was the legal basis for forbidding them from distributing the Gospels. How is that harassment?

And by the way, why the Gospel of John? Personally, I would have gone with Luke and a copy of the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy.

it isn't...it needs to be manufactured and people probably freaked out when they saw a bible near a Koran....but I was not there to be fair

662 Mr. Crankypants  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:05:23pm

re: #654 b_sharp

Somebody worse, much worse.

Glenn Beck is a soulless panderer...

663 Mocking Jay  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:05:24pm

re: #648 Floral Giraffe

Yes, but she could probably use something to smile about, NOW.
And, that's sad money.

Oh not to her it ain't, let me tell ya!

664 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:05:38pm

re: #638 JasonA

Are talking about Glenn Beck again?

/

We're talking about a raving freakazoid nut sandwich.

665 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:05:39pm

re: #659 palomino

You can always try the Volcano vaporizer. It's expensive, but the smoke is much less harsh. And of course there's always magic brownies--but they are a complete pain in the ass to make.

You can always shove matches up your nose and light them too!

666 avanti  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:05:41pm

re: #631 Nimed

No doubt this "Answering Muslims" group are a bunch of assholes. But I don't get what was the legal basis for forbidding them from distributing the Gospels. How is that harassment?

And by the way, why the Gospel of John? Personally, I would have gone with Luke and a copy of the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy.

I won't argue about the legality of harassing those of other faiths, but I prefer the cops maintaining order rather than the reaction the group was seeking. Why not go after all the easy pickings at strip clubs or casino's rather then bother those that have chosen another faith ?

667 Nimed  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:05:42pm

re: #631 Nimed

And by the way, why the Gospel of John? Personally, I would have gone with Luke* and a copy of the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy.

*due to the Parable of the Socialist Samaritan.

668 What, me worry?  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:05:46pm

re: #652 reuven

I was in Wichita last year for a business trip, so I decided to drive by Phelps Church. I was hoping it would have a cool "Church Sign" in front, or maybe even a gift shop!

No such luck. A nondescript building.

You were hoping for a God Hates Fag keychain maybe?

669 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:06:42pm

re: #589 Walter L. Newton

Phelps is a lefty.

He has run for office as a democrat several times. Not sure that means much to him though.

670 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:06:47pm

re: #666 avanti

Why not go after all the easy pickings at strip clubs or casino's rather then bother those that have chosen another faith ?

All they ever meet there are fellow members.

671 Mr. Crankypants  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:06:58pm

re: #668 marjoriemoon

You were hoping for a God Hates Fag keychain maybe?

how much you wanna bet Phelps is a closeted gay? Most of these guys repression is 9/10ths of their flaw.

672 sattv4u2  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:07:16pm

re: #652 reuven

I was in Wichita last year for a business trip, so I decided to drive by Phelps Church. I was hoping it would have a cool "Church Sign" in front, or maybe even a gift shop!

No such luck. A nondescript building.

They could hold their services in a phone booth

There's only like , what ,,, 10 of them!?!?

673 Nimed  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:07:35pm

re: #640 marjoriemoon

The Jehovah's go to malls, hang out downtown, etc. distributing the Watchtower. Maybe there are cops who chase them away, say, if a store owner complains, but even so, they don't target a specific group. These guys were looking for some trouble.

Right, I don't understand how the cops can do that either.

674 Mr. Crankypants  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:07:46pm

re: #670 Alouette

All they ever meet there are fellow members.

Why do you always want to take 2 Baptists with you to fish?

Cause if you only take one, they'll drink all your beer.

675 RadicalModerate  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:08:09pm

re: #528 Charles

And if you don't want to take my word for it that these assholes are fanatically anti-Muslim, go have a look at their website.

[Link: www.answeringmuslims.com...]

Not to mention that they're fans of the racist eurosupremacist Geert Wilders.

Link to the Wilders' fandom here

676 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:08:41pm

re: #673 Nimed

Right, I don't understand how the cops can do that either.

It's called "disturbing the peace." If you go into a place where you aren't welcome and cause a scene, the police can and will arrest you for it.

677 Gus  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:08:48pm

Here's another report on the Dearborn story:

4 missionaries arrested at Dearborn festival

The four, who were said to be at the Dearborn Arab International Festival with a Christian group called Acts 17 Apologetics, were later released on bail.

acts17 website.

They have this under atheism.

To illustrate, we are told that proteins formed when a chance collection of H2, CH4, NH3, and H20 met electricity in our atmosphere. These proteins later managed to become self-replicating systems which can loosely be called “alive”. Slowly but surely these amorphous, amoebic, one-celled life-forms have joined forces with random mutation and natural selection to produce 4th year medical students.

If this is true, as academia insists it is, then for what purpose am I here? Is there such a purpose? Of course, there cannot be any. If the collection of elements which produced me were the product of a blind force, then it necessarily follows that there was no vision for my existence. No purpose, no meaning. I’m here as a waste product of matter, time, and chance. I am the feces cosmic coincidence.

678 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:08:54pm

re: #669 Slumbering Behemoth

He has run for office as a democrat several times. Not sure that means much to him though.

Well... we certainly don't know for sure... do we? He was also "a past civil rights activist in Kansas,"... but I understand where you are coming from... we don't want to entertain the thought.

679 Mocking Jay  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:09:05pm

re: #670 Alouette

All they ever meet there are fellow members.

I shit you not... I once saw a Hassidic Jew in a strip club once. Blew my mind. Yes, I know they're human, too, but my mind never thought it would see that.

680 What, me worry?  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:09:26pm

re: #673 Nimed

Right, I don't understand how the cops can do that either.

It's harassing, whoever does it. What I think most cops would do is tell them to leave and if they refused, they end up in the pokey for a couple hours.

Obviously the dude got his camera back...

681 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:09:27pm

re: #675 RadicalModerate

Not to mention that they're fans of the racist eurosupremacist Geert Wilders.

Link to the Wilders' fandom here

Ah, they're just harmless!! //

682 tradewind  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:09:32pm

re: #651 jaunte
Yeah, so did Dr King. Did it anyway.
Turned out to have been a good thing.

683 albusteve  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:09:36pm

re: #652 reuven

I was in Wichita last year for a business trip, so I decided to drive by Phelps Church. I was hoping it would have a cool "Church Sign" in front, or maybe even a gift shop!

No such luck. A nondescript building.

the IRS should be all over those cretins....
I just know they are dirty, filthy, and duping the system...I'm positive

684 jaunte  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:09:41pm

re: #677 Gus 802

Well they seem to know their shit.

685 Gus  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:10:20pm

re: #684 jaunte

Well they seem to know their shit.

Oh no! It's the poo-poo all over again!

//

686 What, me worry?  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:10:29pm

re: #677 Gus 802

"Missionaries". That's rich. They weren't preaching the gospel to anyone else!

687 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:10:34pm

re: #677 Gus 802

Here's another report on the Dearborn story:

4 missionaries arrested at Dearborn festival

Hardcore fanatic Christian Taliban.

688 jaunte  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:10:49pm

re: #685 Gus 802

Science is icky!

689 Nimed  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:10:51pm

re: #666 avanti

I won't argue about the legality of harassing those of other faiths, but I prefer the cops maintaining order rather than the reaction the group was seeking. Why not go after all the easy pickings at strip clubs or casino's rather then bother those that have chosen another faith ?

I agree with the sentiment, but if what the cops did was illegal, they're just giving these guys an excuse to play the victim.

690 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:11:00pm

re: #679 JasonA

I shit you not... I once saw a Hassidic Jew in a strip club once. Blew my mind. Yes, I know they're human, too, but my mind never thought it would see that.

When my son was in the IDF, he lived in an apartment in Jerusalem with other "lone soldiers" right next door to a gay club.

He saw all kinds of people going in and out, and not to mention always hitting up on him in the stairwell.

691 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:11:19pm

re: #555 MandyManners

Dhimmitude in America.

It still is a bad thing.

And being a loon isn't good either.

692 Varek Raith  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:11:31pm

re: #677 Gus 802

To illustrate, we are told that proteins formed when a chance collection of H2, CH4, NH3, and H20 met electricity in our atmosphere. These proteins later managed to become self-replicating systems which can loosely be called “alive”. Slowly but surely these amorphous, amoebic, one-celled life-forms have joined forces with random mutation and natural selection to produce 4th year medical students.

If this is true, as academia insists it is, then for what purpose am I here? Is there such a purpose? Of course, there cannot be any. If the collection of elements which produced me were the product of a blind force, then it necessarily follows that there was no vision for my existence. No purpose, no meaning. I’m here as a waste product of matter, time, and chance. I am the feces cosmic coincidence.


The truth hurts, eh???
:)

693 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:11:46pm

re: #636 palomino

Huh, what kind of lefty protests against gay rights?

Likely the types who voted for both Prop 8 and Obama here in CA.

694 tradewind  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:11:52pm

re: #670 Alouette
Or the occasional martyr-to-be, on a last fling before blowing himself up along with thousands of other people.

695 The Left  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:12:04pm

re: #653 tradewind

An actual answer would have required that you work with the ' if ' you were dealt, not the ' if ' you substituted.

Sure babe. The issue was and is Mandy's unrelenting bigotry and Muslim bashing. And there is no if about that.

Have some tissues. I'm done with talking to you about it.

696 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:12:07pm

And their website has links to ... guess who? Robert Spencer and Pamela Geller, of course, because the Muslim-haters know who their allies are.

697 albusteve  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:12:45pm

re: #665 Walter L. Newton

You can always shove matches up your nose and light them too!

a flaming hot burst of sulfer and saltpeter always does it for me!....I implore anybody with breathing problems to try this simple and effective remedy to clear your nostrils out

698 McSpiff  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:13:11pm

re: #682 tradewind

Yeah, so did Dr King. Did it anyway.
Turned out to have been a good thing.

Yup, these guys are totally continuing Dr. King's work... you delusional or what? I'd say you're only posting soundbites but this is too wrong even for that.

699 The Left  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:13:14pm

re: #677 Gus 802

Here's another report on the Dearborn story:

4 missionaries arrested at Dearborn festival

?

I am the feces cosmic coincidence.

AWESOME.

700 What, me worry?  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:13:42pm

Alright lizards. I'm out. Have a good eve.

701 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:13:55pm

re: #682 tradewind

Yeah, so did Dr King. Did it anyway.
Turned out to have been a good thing.

WHAT? Dr. King "forcibly shared his principles"

wtf

702 palomino  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:14:09pm

re: #589 Walter L. Newton

Phelps is a lefty.

"During the 1992 presidential campaign, Phelps protested Hillary Rodham Clinton during a campaign speech in support of the Clinton-Gore ticket at the University of Kansas on October 14, 1992. In Bill Clinton's second presidential campaign, Phelps and the Westboro church also opposed Clinton and Gore because of the administration's support for gay rights. The entire Westboro congregation picketed a 1997 inaugural ball,[62] denouncing Gore as a "famous fag pimp."[63] In 1998, Westboro picketed the funeral of Gore's father, screaming vulgarities at Gore and telling him, "your dad's in Hell."[63]

Does he sound like a lefty? With crazeee this severe, left-right doesn't apply. The only binary that's relevant with Phelps: is he on or off his meds?

703 Mr. Crankypants  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:14:10pm

re: #694 tradewind

Or the occasional martyr-to-be, on a last fling before blowing himself up along with thousands of other people.

Wait'll he finds out there's 93 Virgils waitin' for him.

"You blew yourself, up, Boy?" "We don't hold with none of that up here?"
"Prepare for a whuppin'"

704 Gus  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:14:27pm

re: #699 iceweasel

AWESOME.

He keeps going too:

And let’s just say I play along and accept my place in the porcelain throne of purpose. What shall I do now with my life? Surely it should not be something as grandiose as “caring for others”, should it? Why care for other people when I have only a paltry 77.6 years of existence? In fact, I might not even have that much time; chance giveth, and chance taketh away! If I were to “care for others”, I would probably undergo some form of sacrifice or suffering, and why bother spending my short existence suffering for the sake of other meaningless, purposeless collections of carbon? I would do well to tarry in the advice of Epicurus, who said we should seek “the absence of pain in the body and of trouble in the soul”. Or perhaps the advice of some of his modern followers would do me better: “eat, drink, and be merry, for tomorrow we die”.

705 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:14:58pm

re: #702 palomino

"During the 1992 presidential campaign, Phelps protested Hillary Rodham Clinton during a campaign speech in support of the Clinton-Gore ticket at the University of Kansas on October 14, 1992. In Bill Clinton's second presidential campaign, Phelps and the Westboro church also opposed Clinton and Gore because of the administration's support for gay rights. The entire Westboro congregation picketed a 1997 inaugural ball,[62] denouncing Gore as a "famous fag pimp."[63] In 1998, Westboro picketed the funeral of Gore's father, screaming vulgarities at Gore and telling him, "your dad's in Hell."[63]

Does he sound like a lefty? With crazeee this severe, left-right doesn't apply. The only binary that's relevant with Phelps: is he on or off his meds?

"Phelps supported Al Gore in the 1988 Democratic Party primary election.[58] In his 1984 Senate race, Gore opposed a "gay bill of rights" and stated that homosexuality was not something that "society should affirm".[59] Phelps has stated that he supported Gore because of these earlier comments.[60] According to Phelps, members of the Westboro Baptist Church helped run Gore's 1988 campaign in Kansas. Phelps' son, Fred Phelps Jr., hosted a Gore fundraiser at his home in Topeka and was a Gore delegate to the 1988 Democratic National Convention.[13] Gore spokesman Dag Vega declined to comment, saying "We are not dignifying those stories with a response."[61]"

706 Varek Raith  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:15:19pm

re: #704 Gus 802

YOU MEAN, I'M NOT A SPAYSHUL SNOWFLAKE?!?!?!

707 avanti  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:15:24pm

re: #680 marjoriemoon

It's harassing, whoever does it. What I think most cops would do is tell them to leave and if they refused, they end up in the pokey for a couple hours.

Obviously the dude got his camera back...

But, they were just there to spread the word of Christ, not expecting trouble./ From their web site:

"We only ask for help when we really need it. Nabeel and I are going to Michigan next week. We're responsible for paying our own way. However, we spent all our funds on replacing a damaged video camera. (We hope the dialogues at the Arab Festival are peaceful, but we need cameras in case Muslims decide to kick our heads in.)

Muslims have threatened us with death if we return to the festival, so now we definitely have to show up. (I might post some of the more colorful death threats we've received, along with the email addresses of those who have promised to kill us.)

708 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:15:33pm

re: #677 Gus 802

Here's another report on the Dearborn story:

4 missionaries arrested at Dearborn festival

They're creationists. Surprise, surprise.

709 albusteve  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:15:37pm

wow
Christian Taliban
chew on that

710 Gus  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:15:41pm

re: #706 Varek Raith

YOU MEAN, I'M NOT A SPAYSHUL SNOWFLAKE?!?!?!

Nope.

711 tradewind  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:15:48pm

re: #695 iceweasel
Keep the tissues, (lose the issues).
Babe.

712 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:16:48pm

re: #678 Walter L. Newton

Well... we certainly don't know for sure... do we? He was also "a past civil rights activist in Kansas,"... but I understand where you are coming from... we don't want to entertain the thought.

Entertain away Walter. I suspect that in his mind, he is a Christian first and foremost, and everything else he might be registers as a distant second for him. Just speculatin'.

713 Mocking Jay  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:16:56pm

re: #706 Varek Raith

YOU MEAN, I'M NOT A SPAYSHUL SNOWFLAKE?!?!?!

"Listen up, maggots. You are not special. You are not a beautiful or unique snowflake. You're the same decaying organic matter as everything else."

714 freetoken  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:17:04pm

re: #705 Walter L. Newton

You do realize that Al Gore was at one time, early on in his career in politics, considered one of the more conservative Democrats?

Indeed, note that when Gore slowly made the move from being somewhat conservative to more in line with mainline progressive politics is when people like Phelps trashed him?

715 The Left  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:17:27pm

re: #660 reuven

At the SF Gay Pride parade there's usually a lefty group against gay rights marching with the rest of them: It's the pro Hamas "Free Palestine" group.

Seriously? Who are they? (I believe you of course). What's their deal? Are they evangelical Christian lefties?

716 swamprat  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:17:31pm

re: #671 PT Barnum

how much you wanna bet Phelps is a closeted gay? Most of these guys repression is 9/10ths of their flaw.

Best damn play on words I've seen all year!

("Possession is 9/10ths of the law")

Unintentional or not, this was great!

717 McSpiff  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:17:37pm

re: #714 freetoken

Facts be dammed, full speed ahead!

718 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:17:39pm

re: #622 McSpiff

Woah, who's Engle? No one I've ever mentioned.

Look him up snowflake.

719 Gus  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:17:51pm

re: #713 JasonA

"Listen up, maggots. You are not special. You are not a beautiful or unique snowflake. You're the same decaying organic matter as everything else."

Resistance is futile!

/

720 Racer X  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:18:01pm

re: #709 albusteve

wow
Christian Taliban
chew on that

Whodathunkit.

721 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:18:19pm

re: #687 Charles

Hardcore fanatic Christian Taliban.

Extremists, yes, but not even close to the Taliban.

722 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:18:37pm

re: #687 Charles

Hardcore fanatic Christian Taliban.

"Diary of Daedalus": You see that post?! It proves that the Jazz Guitarist HATES ALL CHRISTIANS! HE'S A TRANZI PROG!!11

/ Though I'm sure that's what the Stalkers will say.

723 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:18:53pm

re: #714 freetoken

You do realize that Al Gore was at one time, early on in his career in politics, considered one of the more conservative Democrats?

Indeed, note that when Gore slowly made the move from being somewhat conservative to more in line with mainline progressive politics is when people like Phelps trashed him?

Do you realize that Phelps is a democrat... period... that's all I pointed out. It's everyone else playing "not a real democrat" game.

724 Nimed  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:19:26pm

re: #676 Charles

It's called "disturbing the peace." If you go into a place where you aren't welcome and cause a scene, the police can and will arrest you for it.

[Link: definitions.uslegal.com...]
Ok. But going by the definition in the link, it seems a bit of a stretch (the law seems to focus on loud and disturbing noise).

725 tradewind  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:19:32pm

re: #703 PT Barnum
Not to mention Jefferson, Lee, and Washington.
' It's Virginians, you fools '.

726 The Left  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:19:43pm

re: #704 Gus 802

I find it extremely revealing when believers think that without a belief in god, there is no reason to be ethical, moral or altruistic.

Says a lot about them, if you ask me.

727 Gus  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:19:46pm

Oops. I lost track. We're on Democrats?

728 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:19:59pm

re: #724 Nimed

[Link: definitions.uslegal.com...]
Ok. But going by the definition in the link, it seems a bit of a stretch (the law seems to focus on loud and disturbing noise).

Wow... are you defending these idiots?

729 McSpiff  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:20:14pm

re: #718 Walter L. Newton

Look him up snowflake.

No, fuck you on this one. You don't bring up someone I've never mentioned and say "Wonderful game you play". Play your twisting bullshit with yourself, but you don't pin shit on me I've never said.

I'll speak for myself asshole. If you can't quote it, shut the fuck up.

730 Mr. Crankypants  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:20:51pm

re: #716 swamprat

Best damn play on words I've seen all year!

("Possession is 9/10ths of the law")

Unintentional or not, this was great!

absolutely intentional

731 Targetpractice  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:21:06pm

Why does it always seem that, while I'm away, everything dissolves into textual fist-fights?

732 freetoken  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:21:12pm

re: #723 Walter L. Newton

Do you realize that Phelps is a democrat... period... that's all I pointed out. game.

"Phelps is a lefty."
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Walter, you're being really sloppy today.

733 palomino  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:21:28pm

re: #660 reuven

At the SF Gay Pride parade there's usually a lefty group against gay rights marching with the rest of them: It's the pro Hamas "Free Palestine" group.

Link? I would guess that this group of anti-gay leftists is so tiny that the word "fringe" doesn't even begin to describe their marginality.

734 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:21:32pm

re: #729 McSpiff

No, fuck you on this one. You don't bring up someone I've never mentioned and say "Wonderful game you play". Play your twisting bullshit with yourself, but you don't pin shit on me I've never said.

I'll speak for myself asshole. If you can't quote it, shut the fuck up.

Yawn...

[Link: www.religiondispatches.org...]

735 Gus  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:21:57pm

re: #726 iceweasel

I find it extremely revealing when believers think that without a belief in god, there is no reason to be ethical, moral or altruistic.

Says a lot about them, if you ask me.

It proves that they really are ignorant of Atheism. Of course no one compels them to become Atheists since they're not prone to evangelizing in the public sphere. There maybe those that would claim otherwise but that's simply not true and they're behind a couple of thousands of years and several crusades and wars.

736 The Left  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:22:27pm

re: #732 freetoken

"Phelps is a lefty."
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Walter, you're being really sloppy today.

LOL.

737 Mr. Crankypants  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:22:30pm

re: #725 tradewind

Not to mention Jefferson, Lee, and Washington.
' It's Virginians, you fools '.

Nah..I figured it would be funnier if it was 93 rednecks named Virgil...ready to do some "Deliverance" action...

"Squeal like a pig, boay!"

738 McSpiff  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:22:36pm

re: #734 Walter L. Newton

Yawn...

[Link: www.religiondispatches.org...]

I never mentioned him. I'm not playing any games. Take your masturbatory games somewhere else. I'm not playing this bullshit.

739 Racer X  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:22:37pm

re: #734 Walter L. Newton

I see you've made a new friend.

740 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:22:38pm

re: #721 Spare O'Lake

Extremists, yes, but not even close to the Taliban.

Agreed. Though I'd rather not live under the ideas of these nuts. It would be a misery.

741 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:22:47pm

re: #732 freetoken

"Phelps is a lefty."
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Walter, you're being really sloppy today.

Lefty, democrat, all the fucking same, right, just like Nimed puts me in the same boar with the right wingers.

742 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:22:54pm

re: #721 Spare O'Lake

Extremists, yes, but not even close to the Taliban.

Philosophically, there's almost no difference between fanatics like acts17 and the Taliban.

The only real difference is that groups like acts17 don't have the power to do what they'd really like to do. If there weren't laws against it, they would be every bit as brutal as the Taliban.

743 palomino  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:23:16pm

re: #665 Walter L. Newton

You can always shove matches up your nose and light them too!

No, now you're describing the effects of crystal meth--really nasty vicious stuff, I don't recommend it.

744 McSpiff  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:24:13pm

re: #741 Walter L. Newton

Lefty, democrat, all the fucking same, right, just like Nimed puts me in the same boar with the right wingers.

So, you lie because someone hurt your feelings? That's truly weak.

745 Mr. Crankypants  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:24:14pm

re: #743 palomino

No, now you're describing the effects of crystal meth--really nasty vicious stuff, I don't recommend it.

My question is how you know. Just like when somebody says "This tastes like shit!" I have to wonder how they know.

746 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:24:19pm

re: #739 Racer X

I see you've made a new friend.

Rattles the shit out of them.

747 Aye Pod  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:24:25pm

re: #677 Gus 802

Here's another report on the Dearborn story:

4 missionaries arrested at Dearborn festival

If this is true, as academia insists it is, then for what purpose am I here? Is there such a purpose? Of course, there cannot be any. If the collection of elements which produced me were the product of a blind force, then it necessarily follows that there was no vision for my existence. No purpose, no meaning. I’m here as a waste product of matter, time, and chance. I am the feces cosmic coincidence.

It seems these people believe that they are literally shit unless there is a magical reason for their existence.

748 albusteve  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:24:25pm

re: #720 Racer X

Whodathunkit.

I didn't foresee any of this...it's all new with the delivery, these cats have a very effective gig...scouts out there saying the most outrageous, inflammatory shit to see where the edge is...people flocking to get in line waiting for the exact words they need to hear, pumped out by a word machine that covers everyone...we are fucked if this thing goes mainstream the way it's trying to...imagine that

749 Racer X  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:24:43pm

re: #741 Walter L. Newton

Lefty, democrat, all the fucking same, right, just like Nimed puts me in the same boar with the right wingers.

No fucking way!

Funny how that works. Criticize anything Obama does and ohmygod you are a rightwingnut. I laugh every time someone does that.

750 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:25:00pm

re: #726 iceweasel

Like a bully who behaves only when he/she thinks the teacher is watching. It reveals far more about their personal, individual nature than it does the nature of mankind.

751 Racer X  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:25:13pm

re: #746 Walter L. Newton

Rattles the shit out of them.

You big meanie!

752 Mr. Crankypants  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:25:52pm

re: #750 Slumbering Behemoth

Like a bully who behaves only when he/she thinks the teacher is watching. It reveals far more about their personal, individual nature than it does the nature of mankind.

Never thought of God as a cosmic accountant, anyway.

753 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:25:56pm

re: #749 Racer X

No fucking way!

Funny how that works. Criticize anything Obama does and ohmygod you are a rightwingnut. I laugh every time someone does that.

No.. Nimed said I am a right winger... and he said that's not the same as a wingnut or a right wingnut. I'm trying to find out the difference. I can't find any in the terminology.

754 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:26:29pm

re: #78 Cato the Elder

Paul Simon once wrote a song about Pamz. He said she had diamonds on the soles of her shoes.

But he wasn't being wistful, or romantic, or coy.

Bitch scratched the shit out of his parquet floors, and he still hasn't forgotten it.

She's also empty as a pocket with nothing to lose.

755 The Left  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:27:11pm

re: #735 Gus 802

It proves that they really are ignorant of Atheism. Of course no one compels them to become Atheists since they're not prone to evangelizing in the public sphere. There maybe those that would claim otherwise but that's simply not true and they're behind a couple of thousands of years and several crusades and wars.

I think this is a charitable interpretation. I have a much more cynical one that I'm sure only applies to a subset of people who think that-- but it might have to wait for a little bit. And for alcohol!

756 Mr. Crankypants  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:27:14pm

re: #753 Walter L. Newton

No.. Nimed said I am a right winger... and he said that's not the same as a wingnut or a right wingnut. I'm trying to find out the difference. I can't find any in the terminology.

The difference between a right winger and a wingnut is the same as the difference between erotic and kinky. erotic you use a feather, kinky you use the whole chicken.

757 albusteve  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:27:14pm

re: #729 McSpiff

No, fuck you on this one. You don't bring up someone I've never mentioned and say "Wonderful game you play". Play your twisting bullshit with yourself, but you don't pin shit on me I've never said.

I'll speak for myself asshole. If you can't quote it, shut the fuck up.

whoa...people are listening you know, just a reminder

758 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:27:20pm

re: #735 Gus 802

It proves that they really are ignorant of Atheism. Of course no one compels them to become Atheists since they're not prone to evangelizing in the public sphere. There maybe those that would claim otherwise but that's simply not true and they're behind a couple of thousands of years and several crusades and wars.

Most people seem to need to have morality imposed on them by a combination of civil and religiously-based rules. 80% of Americans self-identify as believing in God.

759 palomino  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:27:45pm

re: #693 Slumbering Behemoth

Likely the types who voted for both Prop 8 and Obama here in CA.

True, but you gotta remember that gay marriage is a generational issue. Older, more traditional liberals weren't ready to vote for gay marriage--there isn't the same hangup with most younger liberals, or most younger independents or conservatives, for that matter.

But very few on the left are actively protesting against gay rights, which is the point I was trying to make.

760 Nimed  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:28:02pm

re: #728 Walter L. Newton

Wow... are you defending these idiots?

No, I think that what they were doing is despicable -- these morons were looking for a stunt and get not sympathy from me. I'm also trying to find out why what they did is illegal in this specific instance.

761 tradewind  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:28:11pm

re: #714 freetoken
Gore never changed.... he just dropped the facade when he no longer had to pretend that he was from Tennessee.

762 McSpiff  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:28:31pm

re: #757 albusteve

whoa...people are listening you know, just a reminder

Don't I know it. That's why I don't let people lie about what I've said. Point taken tho.

763 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:29:00pm

re: #762 McSpiff

Don't I know it. That's why I don't let people lie about what I've said. Point taken tho.

I'm sorry.

764 Gus  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:29:04pm

re: #758 Spare O'Lake

Most people seem to need to have morality imposed on them by a combination of civil and religiously-based rules. 80% of Americans self-identify as believing in God.

Yes. But even people that believe in God have their morality based on man existent and by man made morality because the Bible (for example) was written by men.

765 Varek Raith  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:29:39pm

I'm out.
Night all!
:)

766 Gus  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:29:51pm

I'm still trying to figure out this Rev. Phelps thing.

767 The Left  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:29:52pm

re: #733 palomino

Link? I would guess that this group of anti-gay leftists is so tiny that the word "fringe" doesn't even begin to describe their marginality.

Yeah, exactly.
I asked the ex-lizard, the undead one, exactly that question once about his 'exposes' of antiwar protests. The same dude is in at least three photos taken at different times, all in a post about 'the left' wanting to kill Bush.

Ok. If that guy's name has been legally changed to "The Left" I guess I'll agree./

768 Mocking Jay  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:30:06pm

re: #764 Gus 802

Yes. But even people that believe in God have their morality based on man existent and by man made morality because the Bible (for example) was written by men.

Blasphemer. /

769 Nimed  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:30:10pm

re: #741 Walter L. Newton

Lefty, democrat, all the fucking same, right, just like Nimed puts me in the same boar with the right wingers.

That reminds me, you still haven't answered my question from downthread, oh great victim.

770 Gus  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:30:23pm

re: #768 JasonA

Blasphemer. /

Really?

/

771 swamprat  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:30:25pm

re: #728 Walter L. Newton


They are assholes. But those assholes have "freedom of speech". Wonder if those same assholes would agree that the people who want to build a mosque "near" ground zero, also have the same freedom of speech? Somehow I think they would object.

Freedoms ain't the easy.

The cops were in a very iffy place to defend their actions. This "freedom" stuff can be difficult.

772 McSpiff  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:30:35pm

re: #763 Walter L. Newton

I'm sorry.

No Walter, you got caught. There's a difference. You have a very limited bag of tricks.

773 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:30:59pm

re: #769 Nimed

That reminds me, you still haven't answered my question from downthread, oh great victim.

And I'm not going to... I'm sorry, I misspoke. I love you.

774 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:31:13pm

re: #764 Gus 802

Yes. But even people that believe in God have their morality based on man existent and by man made morality because the Bible (for example) was written by men.

But the Bible was divinely inspired. I won't be annoyed if you don't believe that, but I do believe that.

775 jaunte  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:31:35pm

re: #760 Nimed

No, I think that what they were doing is despicable -- these morons were looking for a stunt and get not sympathy from me. I'm also trying to find out why what they did is illegal in this specific instance.

I still can't find a reference to whether they were in the Festival core or the surrounding area.

In Saieg v. City of Dearborn, (6th Cir., June 17, 2010), the U.S. 6th Circuit Court of Appeals issued an injunction pending appeal to permit a Christian evangelist to distribute religious literature on the streets in the "outer perimeter" or "buffer zone" of the 2010 Dearborn Arab International Festival this week. A federal district court had upheld festival rules that required literature distribution take place only from a booth in the vendor area. (See prior posting.) The 6th Circuit said that prior case law supports restricting leaflet distribution among crowds in the core area of the Festival, but not in the surrounding streets. The Thomas More Law Center issued a release on the decision and the Detroit Free Press reports on the decision. [Link: religionclause.blogspot.com...]
776 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:31:37pm

re: #772 McSpiff

No Walter, you got caught. There's a difference. You have a very limited bag of tricks.

I was trying to apologize. I still am.

777 The Left  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:31:38pm

re: #753 Walter L. Newton

No.. Nimed said I am a right winger... and he said that's not the same as a wingnut or a right wingnut. I'm trying to find out the difference. I can't find any in the terminology.

It's been explained to you Walter. Downstairs, remember?
BTW, Nimed was still waiting for an answer from you downstairs.

It's pretty clear that since you didn't succeed in picking a fight down there, you've decided to be a flaming asshole to McSpiff and pick one here.

Your schtick is old and reeks of Cheetos.

778 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:31:53pm

re: #766 Gus 802

I'm still trying to figure out this Rev. Phelps thing.

He's an anti-American gay-hater who ran and lost on the Dem. ticket several times. And he's a deranged dick. Hope that helped.

779 albusteve  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:31:56pm

re: #766 Gus 802

I'm still trying to figure out this Rev. Phelps thing.

concentrate on his bank account...he's dirty

780 The Left  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:31:58pm

re: #769 Nimed

That reminds me, you still haven't answered my question from downthread, oh great victim.

haha-- beat me to it. :-)

781 Gus  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:32:04pm

re: #774 Dark_Falcon

But the Bible was divinely inspired. I won't be annoyed if you don't believe that, but I do believe that.

OK, I'll leave it at that.

782 Racer X  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:32:08pm

re: #753 Walter L. Newton

No.. Nimed said I am a right winger... and he said that's not the same as a wingnut or a right wingnut. I'm trying to find out the difference. I can't find any in the terminology.

I wish there were rules we could look up and adhere to.

783 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:32:18pm

re: #777 iceweasel

It's been explained to you Walter. Downstairs, remember?
BTW, Nimed was still waiting for an answer from you downstairs.

It's pretty clear that since you didn't succeed in picking a fight down there, you've decided to be a flaming asshole to McSpiff and pick one here.

Your schtick is old and reeks of Cheetos.

What was the question he asked downstairs... I'll answer it.

784 swamprat  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:32:20pm

re: #730 PT Barnum

You are a subliminal genius.

OK. Now you can tell everyone that I said you were sublime!

785 tradewind  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:32:42pm

Nothing good comes from religious argument on LGF, thus sayeth....umm, me.
Goodnight, ya'll, clean up after.

786 palomino  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:32:49pm

re: #705 Walter L. Newton

"Phelps supported Al Gore in the 1988 Democratic Party primary election.[58] In his 1984 Senate race, Gore opposed a "gay bill of rights" and stated that homosexuality was not something that "society should affirm".[59] Phelps has stated that he supported Gore because of these earlier comments.[60] According to Phelps, members of the Westboro Baptist Church helped run Gore's 1988 campaign in Kansas. Phelps' son, Fred Phelps Jr., hosted a Gore fundraiser at his home in Topeka and was a Gore delegate to the 1988 Democratic National Convention.[13] Gore spokesman Dag Vega declined to comment, saying "We are not dignifying those stories with a response."[61]"

OK, so he used to be affiliated with the Kansas Dem Party. When you look at KS politics, you realize that hardly makes him a lefty.

And he LEFT the party over the gay rights issue. That's not a common "lefty" move.

787 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:32:51pm

re: #769 Nimed

That reminds me, you still haven't answered my question from downthread, oh great victim.

What was the question you asked downstairs... I'll answer it.

788 Gus  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:33:13pm

re: #778 Slumbering Behemoth

He's an anti-American gay-hater who ran and lost on the Dem. ticket several times. And he's a deranged dick. Hope that helped.

I know. Former civil rights attorney. Photographed with Al Gore. Etc, etc. Just wondering why he came up.

789 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:33:20pm

re: #786 palomino

OK, so he used to be affiliated with the Kansas Dem Party. When you look at KS politics, you realize that hardly makes him a lefty.

And he LEFT the party over the gay rights issue. That's not a common "lefty" move.

You're right. He's a flaming wingnut.

790 albusteve  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:33:29pm

re: #771 swamprat

They are assholes. But those assholes have "freedom of speech". Wonder if those same assholes would agree that the people who want to build a mosque "near" ground zero, also have the same freedom of speech? Somehow I think they would object.

Freedoms ain't the easy.

The cops were in a very iffy place to defend their actions. This "freedom" stuff can be difficult.

well said...a point I've been trying to make, but not very well

791 Mocking Jay  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:33:31pm

re: #781 Gus 802

OK, I'll leave it at that.

Heh.

792 McSpiff  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:33:34pm

re: #776 Walter L. Newton

I was trying to apologize. I still am.

If you're seriously apologetic, I'd appreciate you not addressing me. I'll extend the same to you.

793 Racer X  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:33:44pm

re: #773 Walter L. Newton

And I'm not going to... I'm sorry, I misspoke. I love you.

Get a room.

794 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:33:53pm

re: #792 McSpiff

If you're seriously apologetic, I'd appreciate you not addressing me. I'll extend the same to you.

You got it.

795 The Left  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:34:18pm

re: #772 McSpiff

No Walter, you got caught. There's a difference. You have a very limited bag of tricks.

This is exactly why it's much better to completely ignore him-- except to downding him occasionally.

I make an exception for occasionally pointing his schtick out when he pulls it on someone else.

796 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:35:09pm

re: #795 iceweasel

This is exactly why it's much better to completely ignore him-- except to downding him occasionally.

I make an exception for occasionally pointing his schtick out when he pulls it on someone else.

Someone has to do it... may as well be you.

797 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:35:41pm

re: #788 Gus 802

I know. Former civil rights attorney. Photographed with Al Gore. Etc, etc. Just wondering why he came up.

'Cuz he's easy for everyone to hate on? Just a guess.

798 Nimed  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:36:20pm

re: #787 Walter L. Newton

What was the question you asked downstairs... I'll answer it.

The Cato Institute is a libertarian think-tank. They are usually placed firmly in the right-wing side of the political spectrum. Ayn Rand is another example -- atheist, socially liberal, but her politics are usually classified as right-wing. Do you disagree?

799 Gus  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:36:45pm

Fred Phelps is a Republican!
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800 Mr. Crankypants  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:37:44pm

re: #777 iceweasel

It's been explained to you Walter. Downstairs, remember?
BTW, Nimed was still waiting for an answer from you downstairs.

It's pretty clear that since you didn't succeed in picking a fight down there, you've decided to be a flaming asshole to McSpiff and pick one here.

Your schtick is old and reeks of Cheetos.

That's cause he sits around eating cheetos and watching porno movies..:)

801 palomino  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:38:21pm

re: #745 PT Barnum

My question is how you know. Just like when somebody says "This tastes like shit!" I have to wonder how they know.

I went to USC back in the 90s. We tried everything that didn't involve a needle. Dumb, but all part of the ritual of college.

802 Gus  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:38:34pm

re: #800 PT Barnum

That's cause he sits around eating cheetos and watching porno movies..:)

In Speedos and a bathing cap?

803 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:38:48pm

re: #742 Charles

Philosophically, there's almost no difference between fanatics like acts17 and the Taliban.

The only real difference is that groups like acts17 don't have the power to do what they'd really like to do. If there weren't laws against it, they would be every bit as brutal as the Taliban.

Really? Do they preach mass murder, genocide, beheadings, beating of women, public executions, closure of all public schools, etc.? When one calls them Taliban, one implies that they believe and act like the worst of the Taliban.
I am not defending these extreme Christians or any religious extremists, but they are not all the same and they are not enough like the Taliban to merit being smeared with that brush, IMO.

804 McSpiff  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:39:53pm

re: #795 iceweasel

This is exactly why it's much better to completely ignore him-- except to downding him occasionally.

I make an exception for occasionally pointing his schtick out when he pulls it on someone else.

I'm done talking about him. I'm more than happy to debate any of my positions, but only in good faith.

805 Mr. Crankypants  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:39:54pm

re: #784 swamprat

You are a subliminal genius.

OK. Now you can tell everyone that I said you were sublime!

I get things mask backward all the time..:)

806 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:39:55pm

re: #789 Walter L. Newton

You're right. He's a flaming wingnut.

Not even that, Walter. Wingnuts hate Fred Phelps. 99.9% of Americans think he's an assholes.

807 Gus  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:40:09pm

We're still on this "right winger" thing? Jeez, it's been what? 8 hours now?

808 Racer X  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:40:30pm

re: #805 PT Barnum

I get things mask backward all the time..:)

Tipper? Is that you?

809 Mr. Crankypants  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:40:46pm

re: #806 Dark_Falcon

Not even that, Walter. Wingnuts hate Fred Phelps. 99.9% of Americans think he's an assholes.

Hey wait a minute...I am offended by that!

Are you Fred Phelps?

No, I'm an asshole.

810 Aye Pod  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:40:55pm

re: #764 Gus 802

Yes. But even people that believe in God have their morality based on man existent and by man made morality because the Bible (for example) was written by men.

Believers often don't realise that when they say that they have faith in God, they are actually saying that they have faith in certain men, who have said certain things about God.

811 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:41:06pm

re: #809 PT Barnum

Hey wait a minute...I am offended by that!

Are you Fred Phelps?

No, I'm an asshole.

LOL!

812 Bagua  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:41:10pm

It's All About Love


- Jovi Rockwell
813 Mr. Crankypants  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:41:30pm

re: #810 Jimmah

Believers often don't realise that when they say that they have faith in God, they are actually saying that they have faith in certain men, who have said certain things about God.

Best way I've heard it put ever!

814 albusteve  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:42:20pm

re: #810 Jimmah

Believers often don't realise that when they say that they have faith in God, they are actually saying that they have faith in certain men, who have said certain things about God.

keen observation Capt Obvious!
jus kidding

815 palomino  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:42:46pm

re: #789 Walter L. Newton

You're right. He's a flaming wingnut.

Thanks. I was hoping I could win you over.

816 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:43:05pm

re: #799 Gus 802

Fred Phelps is a Republican!

No he's not! He's a democrat!

re: #806 Dark_Falcon

Not even that, Walter. Wingnuts hate Fred Phelps. 99.9% of Americans think he's an assholes.

No he's not! He's a dick!

817 swamprat  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:43:06pm

Could we try to be civil, and not gang-jump on Walter? We should be adults here. We can disagree without the pitchforks and torches.

818 McSpiff  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:43:08pm

re: #810 Jimmah

Believers often don't realise that when they say that they have faith in God, they are actually saying that they have faith in certain men, who have said certain things about God.

Even as an atheist, I gotta disagree here. I know people who, for various reasons, feel God has revealed some of his truths to them personally.

819 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:43:22pm

re: #460 tradewind

Obama now owes Petraeus, and the general will not likely be willing to adhere to a firm ' out of there' date as a condition of taking this on. He can call in his chip ( moving the deadline), later, and Obama will have to listen.

This is fantasy world thinking.

Petraeus owes Obama his absolute allegiance, and Obama owes him nothing save the respect afforded a general in good standing with his commander.

Being CiC doesn't mean you are there to massage egos and kowtow to inferiors. generals serve at the pleasure of the president, and the president sets the agenda, period.

820 Racer X  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:43:42pm

re: #816 Slumbering Behemoth

Hey you ever get you car running?

821 jaunte  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:43:46pm
822 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:44:13pm

re: #798 Nimed

The Cato Institute is a libertarian think-tank. They are usually placed firmly in the right-wing side of the political spectrum. Ayn Rand is another example -- atheist, socially liberal, but her politics are usually classified as right-wing. Do you disagree?

I don't know anything about the Cato Institute and I have never read anything by Rand. Doing a quick search, I get a number of differeng opinions on Cato... "The CATO Institute is a right wing extremist group that has long (Ben Smith ) [Link: www.politico.com...] ... "Cato's scholars advocate positions that are appealing to many on the left-hand side of the American political spectrum, including support for civil liberties, liberal immigration policies, and equal rights for gays and lesbians.[38][39] An early example of this effort was the launching of Inquiry Magazine, which was aimed at liberals who shared libertarians' skepticism about concentrated state power." [Link: en.wikipedia.org...] ...

Two examples... so... I'm not sure how Cato is looked at has any bearing if I am right wing, since a quick perusal shows differing opinions... and I saw many more than these two examples.

Unless you are trying to make the point that I can be classified as what ever someone perceives me as, since a group like Cato can be perceived as left to the far right.

Can you clarify why these two references (Cato and Rand) has anything to do with whether I am right wing?

823 Mr. Crankypants  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:44:20pm

re: #817 swamprat

Could we try to be civil, and not gang-jump on Walter? We should be adults here. We can disagree without the pitchforks and torches.

But Walter invites abuse...sometimes he asks it to stay for a cup a copy and a bit of How's Your Father afterwards..

824 swamprat  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:44:52pm

re: #805 PT Barnum

Let me brag a bit on my half-vast real estate holdings.

825 Mr. Crankypants  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:45:33pm

re: #824 swamprat

Let me brag a bit on my half-vast real estate holdings.

She has HUGE t..tracts of land...

826 Aye Pod  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:45:50pm

re: #818 McSpiff

Even as an atheist, I gotta disagree here. I know people who, for various reasons, feel God has revealed some of his truths to them personally.

You don't actually need to disagree. I'm sure there are people who feel that way. But I know there are many believers to whom my comment applies all the same.

827 Mr. Crankypants  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:45:50pm

Gotta reboot..updating my blackberry..back later.

828 The Left  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:46:03pm

re: #803 Spare O'Lake

Really? Do they preach mass murder, genocide, beheadings, beating of women, public executions, closure of all public schools, etc.? When one calls them Taliban, one implies that they believe and act like the worst of the Taliban.
I am not defending these extreme Christians or any religious extremists, but they are not all the same and they are not enough like the Taliban to merit being smeared with that brush, IMO.

This American Taliban enough for you?

Christian Reconstructionism:

Generally, Reconstructionism seeks to replace democracy with a theocratic elite that would govern by imposing their interpretation of “Biblical Law.” Reconstructionism would eliminate not only democracy but many of its manifestations, such as labor unions, civil rights laws, and public schools. Women would be generally relegated to hearth and home. Insufficiently Christian men would be denied citizenship, perhaps executed. So severe is this theocracy that it would extend capital punishment beyond such crimes as kidnapping, rape, and murder to include, among other things, blasphemy, heresy, adultery, and homosexuality.

PS: they endorse Angle.

Counting down to a statement like "Well did they behead anyone?" in 3...2...

829 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:46:19pm

re: #823 PT Barnum

But Walter invites abuse...sometimes he asks it to stay for a cup a copy and a bit of How's Your Father afterwards..

You're pity sayings bore me. But don't let that stop you, I know, it won't.

830 Bagua  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:46:32pm
831 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:46:33pm

re: #820 Racer X

Hey you ever get you car running?

Thanks for asking, but no. It's looking like it's gonna be the timing belt. Just one more test to confirm.

832 McSpiff  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:46:56pm

re: #826 Jimmah

You don't actually need to disagree. I'm sure there are people who feel that way. But I know there are many believers to whom my comment applies all the same.

Well, in that case we do agree. Its a good general rule, but as always, there are exceptions.

833 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:47:37pm

re: #826 Jimmah

You don't actually need to disagree. I'm sure there are people who feel that way. But I know there are many believers to whom my comment applies all the same.

More than many.

834 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:48:29pm

re: #817 swamprat

Could we try to be civil, and not gang-jump on Walter? We should be adults here. We can disagree without the pitchforks and torches.

Well, we could join together to laugh at that screwball 'MrPaulRevere' who is obsessively blogstalking Charles tonight, flinging insults as he goes. Think of him riding through a town, facing the ass of his horse while calling out "My Butt, it hurts!"

835 albusteve  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:48:32pm

re: #826 Jimmah

You don't actually need to disagree. I'm sure there are people who feel that way. But I know there are many believers to whom my comment applies all the same.

so men revere god, but don't realize the word of god is actually the word of man...this is profound?

836 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:49:04pm

re: #826 Jimmah

You don't actually need to disagree. I'm sure there are people who feel that way. But I know there are many believers to whom my comment applies all the same.

I have a new word for those types... I call them "smug exceptionalist." I've never heard the term uses, I made it up yesterday, I suspect I'm not the first to put those two words together... but it is very apt when used to describe many believers of many faiths.

837 The Left  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:50:32pm

re: #836 Walter L. Newton

I have a new word for those types... I call them "smug exceptionalist." I've never heard the term uses, I made it up yesterday, I suspect I'm not the first to put those two words together... but it is very apt when used to describe many believers of many faiths.

That was an apt term, and applies outside of the religious context as well. As you know.
Upding for that.

838 ReamWorks SKG  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:51:19pm

re: #788 Gus 802

He came up because during the Bush administration a Republican congressman introduced legislation that became law prohibiting his Church from disseminating information near military funerals.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

I mentioned that because, for some reason, Conservatives didn't seem to be up in arms over this, as opposed to a parallel situation where a different Church group is told to back away from a peaceful assembly of Moslems.

839 Nimed  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:51:21pm

re: #775 jaunte

Thanks, man.

840 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:51:56pm

re: #837 iceweasel

That was an apt term, and applies outside of the religious context as well. As you know.
Upding for that.

I suspect it can be used to describe a number of different type of people and their ideologies... even describe me... I always try on a nuance snark on myself before using it in a sentence against someone else.

841 The Left  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:52:50pm

re: #840 Walter L. Newton

I suspect it can be used to describe a number of different type of people and their ideologies... even describe me... I always try on a nuance snark on myself before using it in a sentence against someone else.

Yeah, I guessed that.

842 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:53:01pm

re: #839 Nimed

Ok... I tired to answer you question above, or at least look at the two references (Cato and Rand) that you handed me... can you follow up on my inquiry at the end of my post above?

843 Gus  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:53:12pm

re: #838 reuven

He came up because during the Bush administration a Republican congressman introduced legislation that became law prohibiting his Church from disseminating information near military funerals.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

I mentioned that because, for some reason, Conservatives didn't seem to be up in arms over this, as opposed to a parallel situation where a different Church group is told to back away from a peaceful assembly of Moslems.

OK, thanks. That makes sense.

844 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:53:51pm

re: #836 Walter L. Newton

I consider myself to be a "humble exceptional". I mean, as long as that's cool with everyone else. Wouldn't want to step on any toes, ya know.

845 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:54:49pm

re: #844 Slumbering Behemoth

Make that a "humble exceptionalist".

/damn you spell checker!

846 Racer X  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:54:50pm

re: #831 Slumbering Behemoth

Thanks for asking, but no. It's looking like it's gonna be the timing belt. Just one more test to confirm.

This site may help you diagnose.

Excellent resource.

847 albusteve  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:54:57pm

re: #836 Walter L. Newton

I have a new word for those types... I call them "smug exceptionalist." I've never heard the term uses, I made it up yesterday, I suspect I'm not the first to put those two words together... but it is very apt when used to describe many believers of many faiths.

that's unfair...you have no idea if god is talking to people, maybe he is...you cannot use your premise to make the leap those people are smug exceptionalists...in fact it's an insult to those of faith

848 Gus  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:55:47pm

re: #831 Slumbering Behemoth

Thanks for asking, but no. It's looking like it's gonna be the timing belt. Just one more test to confirm.

That was my last guess. Saw a video on how to replace one on a Honda. Whew, looked like a lot of work.

849 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:56:53pm

re: #847 albusteve

that's unfair...you have no idea if god is talking to people, maybe he is...you cannot use your premise to make the leap those people are smug exceptionalists...in fact it's an insult to those of faith

What? I just did. Did you miss something?

850 Bagua  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:57:44pm

I am not humble but my new Blackberry Curve is exceptional.

851 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:57:51pm

re: #846 Racer X

OMFGWTFBBQ!!!

I am gonna have to try hard to get even with you for that one. Well played, sir. I don't even want to know how you came to find that.

852 albusteve  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:57:52pm

re: #849 Walter L. Newton

What? I just did. Did you miss something?

your world record hurdle?...I did

853 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:58:14pm

Bed... Nimed... if there is anything more to our discussion, I catch you later.

854 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:58:20pm

I'm a bit confused here. What, exactly, is a smug exceptionalist?

(I'm assuming it's not one of those insufferable people who assume that rules* are made for other people.

*Don't cut it line, etc. etc...

855 swamprat  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:58:32pm

re: #802 Gus 802

In Speedos and a bathing cap?

Land speed record with a vincent black lightning, 1952.
The clothes flapping actually hurt.

Image: 040820081338057252.jpg

856 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:58:41pm

re: #852 albusteve

your world record hurdle?...I did

Sorry... it's my opinion and yes, I can call them that.

857 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:59:00pm

re: #850 Bagua

I am not humble but my new Blackberry Curve is exceptional.

They are great phones. I loved selling them and I may yet buy one.

858 albusteve  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:59:03pm

re: #854 EmmmieG

I'm a bit confused here. What, exactly, is a smug exceptionalist?

(I'm assuming it's not one of those insufferable people who assume that rules* are made for other people.

*Don't cut it line, etc. etc...

people that talk to God

859 albusteve  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:59:28pm

re: #858 albusteve

people that talk to God

or Walter, which ever comes first

860 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:59:34pm

re: #858 albusteve

people that talk to God

Why are they smug or exceptional?

861 Aye Pod  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 10:00:12pm

re: #835 albusteve

so men revere god, but don't realize the word of god is actually the word of man...this is profound?

Who said it was meant to be profound? Caution: the voices inside your head may be louder than they appear.

862 Racer X  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 10:00:21pm

re: #851 Slumbering Behemoth

OMFGWTFBBQ!!!

I am gonna have to try hard to get even with you for that one. Well played, sir. I don't even want to know how you came to find that.

I watched the video, and was immediately scarred for life. I just had to share.

863 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 10:00:40pm

re: #848 Gus 802

That was my last guess. Saw a video on how to replace one on a Honda. Whew, looked like a lot of work.

Yes it does. If it comes to that, I may just have to bite the bullet and pay a pro to handle it. In mine, apparently there is also a balancing belt in there that has to be replaced at the same time, as well as a couple of other parts.

864 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 10:01:11pm

re: #854 EmmmieG

I'm a bit confused here. What, exactly, is a smug exceptionalist?

(I'm assuming it's not one of those insufferable people who assume that rules* are made for other people.

*Don't cut it line, etc. etc...

It a phrase I made up when responding a couple of days ago to a Christian (on another forum) who was convinced that his love for me was because I was a sinner. So, it was my way of describing this person...Here was my reply... (note: excuse the names, they will mean nothing to Lizards here)...

---

It's what I call "smug exceptionalism." Ridgewalker... you have to understand that you do need the help, you do need the preaching. Andrew is not capable of understanding that you could live a morally upright life, doing no one harm.... and fulfill your part in the "cosmic" scheme of thing.

And the "love," it's not unconditional, not in a long shot. The "love" is motivated by the fact that Andrew has been convinced that you are damned, and his mission in life is to bring you to salvation. If you don't know his lord, you are not complete, broken, defective... it's not love, it's mistaken pity. He is following a rule book, one that tells him to love you, a manufactured love according to the game plan of a mystical god.

No... a rational and realistic way to handle someone who habitually repeats bad behavior or damaging social skills is to stop loving them at some point, walk away, stop enabling the person by giving them an out, a shoulder to cry on, the addictive misplaced attention that they are acting out for.

Those who go through life imagining that you can "love the sinner, hate the sin" are "smug exceptionalist." They live in a ideological cone zone which makes them feel better than others, lording over others, a false sense of purpose, while in reality, they are fellows in the crime, enabling, making sicker...

But, that doesn't matter does it Andrew. As long as you float through life feeling "righter" than others, and leaving a trail of damage behind you, it doesn't matter, because everything is in gods plan. "Smug exceptionalist" don't have to take any personal responsibility, it's all gods fault. And we always have the popular cop out "well... that's not a real christian."
---

865 McSpiff  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 10:01:39pm

Well, its 2am on the East East Coast, so my insomnia is at its end. I know u/down pdings don't mean much to ya steve, so you're getting a public shout out instead. Stay cool dude. Night y'all.

866 Racer X  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 10:01:49pm

re: #863 Slumbering Behemoth

Yes it does. If it comes to that, I may just have to bite the bullet and pay a pro to handle it. In mine, apparently there is also a balancing belt in there that has to be replaced at the same time, as well as a couple of other parts.

Bummer. Sorry to hear it is getting so complicated / expensive. It's never just the cheapo on/off switch is it?

867 Nimed  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 10:01:55pm

re: #822 Walter L. Newton

I don't know anything about the Cato Institute and I have never read anything by Rand. Doing a quick search, I get a number of differeng opinions on Cato... "The CATO Institute is a right wing extremist group that has long (Ben Smith ) [Link: www.politico.com...] ... "Cato's scholars advocate positions that are appealing to many on the left-hand side of the American political spectrum, including support for civil liberties, liberal immigration policies, and equal rights for gays and lesbians.[38][39] An early example of this effort was the launching of Inquiry Magazine, which was aimed at liberals who shared libertarians' skepticism about concentrated state power." [Link: en.wikipedia.org...] ...

Two examples... so... I'm not sure how Cato is looked at has any bearing if I am right wing, since a quick perusal shows differing opinions... and I saw many more than these two examples.

Unless you are trying to make the point that I can be classified as what ever someone perceives me as, since a group like Cato can be perceived as left to the far right.

Can you clarify why these two references (Cato and Rand) has anything to do with whether I am right wing?

You have protested the term right-winger downthread (which you and you alone seem to consider the equivalent of wingnut) by mentioning that you are an atheist and have socially liberal positions. But Grover Norquist, Glenn Reynolds, most of the people that work in the Cato Institute, Allahpundit and Ayn Rand, just to mention a few, are almost unanimously considered to have a right-wing ideology.

Frankly, I'm surprised that I have to explain this to anybody who has followed politics in the US for more than 6 months.

868 albusteve  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 10:02:20pm

re: #860 EmmmieG

Why are they smug or exceptional?

pretty cool when God talks to you, the assumption being that's exceptional, and now you can look down on the unwashed and be smug...then you add them together...or better yet, you could read the thread

869 McSpiff  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 10:02:52pm

re: #865 McSpiff

Well, its 2am on the East East Coast, so my insomnia is at its end. I know u/down pdings don't mean much to ya steve, so you're getting a public shout out instead. Stay cool dude. Night y'all.

PIMF: up/down dings.

870 Gus  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 10:03:36pm

re: #865 McSpiff

Well, its 2am on the East East Coast, so my insomnia is at its end. I know u/down pdings don't mean much to ya steve, so you're getting a public shout out instead. Stay cool dude. Night y'all.

Should be 1 AM. :)

871 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 10:04:19pm

re: #867 Nimed

You have protested the term right-winger downthread (which you and you alone seem to consider the equivalent of wingnut) by mentioning that you are an atheist and have socially liberal positions. But Grover Norquist, Glenn Reynolds, most of the people that work in the Cato Institute, Allahpundit and Ayn Rand, just to mention a few, are almost unanimously considered to have a right-wing ideology.

Frankly, I'm surprised that I have to explain this to anybody who has followed politics in the US for more than 6 months.

And I'm frankly surprise at your smug-assed answer, since I answered you truthfully and I requested you to explain in a little more detail. Sorry I bothered to ask... jerk.

872 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 10:04:29pm

re: #828 iceweasel

I prefer to keep a foreign mortal enemy like the Taliban separate from domestic political and religious foes with whom I may yet strongly disagree. Lumping them together is unnecessarily provocative and counterproductive.

873 Bagua  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 10:04:46pm

re: #857 Dark_Falcon

They are great phones. I loved selling them and I may yet buy one.

The Blackberry curve is better than the iPhone in every way. The mini thumb mouse is brilliant. It sits, lightly and comfortably in one palm while the thumb is free to mouse about. No greasy glass like the touch screens. Its even comfortable as the back is leather.

874 McSpiff  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 10:05:01pm

re: #870 Gus 802

Should be 1 AM. :)

Keep going further east ;-)

875 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 10:05:10pm

re: #868 albusteve

pretty cool when God talks to you, the assumption being that's exceptional, and now you can look down on the unwashed and be smug...then you add them together...or better yet, you could read the thread

But what if you believe God "talks" (in the sense of sending a sense of peace or an idea) to a lot of people all the time?

In that case, you don't believe you are exceptional. Also, it would tend away from smugness, as well.

876 Gus  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 10:05:27pm

re: #874 McSpiff

Keep going further east ;-)

Nova Scotia?

877 McSpiff  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 10:05:56pm

re: #876 Gus 802

Nova Scotia?

Bingo

878 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 10:06:08pm

re: #862 Racer X

Glad you thought to share your scars with me. Ugh.

From the vid's description:

The internet teaches us that 1 out of 100 will be uncontrollably aroused by this. 9 out of 100 will be strangely aroused by it. 20% will LOL. 10% will be quietly confused. 20% will be repulsed. 10% will be angrily disgusted. 10% will be horrified and uneasy and 10% will be confused, repulsed, angrily disgusted, horrified and uneasy and uncontrollably, strangely aroused.

It's missing the percentage of people who will curl up in the corner of their room and cry.

879 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 10:06:46pm

re: #865 McSpiff

Well, its 2am on the East East Coast, so my insomnia is at its end. I know u/down pdings don't mean much to ya steve, so you're getting a public shout out instead. Stay cool dude. Night y'all.

HE WRITES FROM THE FUTURE!!!!!

ooOOOooooOOOOoooo

880 albusteve  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 10:06:51pm

re: #861 Jimmah

Who said it was meant to be profound? Caution: the voices inside your head may be louder than they appear.

re: #875 EmmmieG

But what if you believe God "talks" (in the sense of sending a sense of peace or an idea) to a lot of people all the time?

In that case, you don't believe you are exceptional. Also, it would tend away from smugness, as well.

don't ask me, I don't know

881 Gus  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 10:07:38pm

re: #879 Fozzie Bear

HE WRITES FROM THE FUTURE!!!

ooOOOoooOOOooo

From New Scotland!

/

882 Aye Pod  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 10:08:01pm

Night folks :)

883 Gus  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 10:08:14pm

If it's not Scottish, it's crap!

/

884 McSpiff  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 10:08:43pm

re: #881 Gus 802

From New Scotland!

/

You've discovered the source of mine and Jimmah's kinship! Alright, bed for serious.

885 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 10:09:16pm

re: #882 Jimmah

Night folks :)


[Video]

Goodnight, Jimmah. I'm going to turn in too, so sleep well all.

886 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 10:09:34pm

re: #883 Gus 802

If it's not Scottish, it's crap!

/

I have been to the French bakery. I disagree.

887 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 10:09:44pm

BTW, RacerX, I watched that video, and now I want my sanity back.

888 Nimed  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 10:10:08pm

re: #871 Walter L. Newton

And I'm frankly surprise at your smug-assed answer, since I answered you truthfully and I requested you to explain in a little more detail. Sorry I bothered to ask... jerk.

Dude, I'm being honest with you. There's more to right wing ideology than being a Christian social conservative. Heck, that's one of the reasons people are saying the right has currently gone off the rails. The assumption here is that being dominated by SoCons is not a normal state of affairs.

889 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 10:13:04pm

re: #888 Nimed

Dude, I'm being honest with you. There's more to right wing ideology than being a Christian social conservative. Heck, that's one of the reasons people are saying the right has currently gone off the rails. The assumption here is that being dominated by SoCons is not a normal state of affairs.

Whatever... I make sure I watch closely for any little right wing rhetoric from you... can't wait to put you in the same bucket... careful.

If I'm right wing, Fred Phelps is a progressive.

890 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 10:13:19pm

re: #887 Fozzie Bear

BTW, RacerX, I watched that video, and now I want my sanity back.

The Claims Dept. has a strict policy against accepting blatantly false claims, and as such can not refund to you property that you obviously never possessed in the first place. NEXT IN LINE, PLEASE!

891 Racer X  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 10:14:45pm

re: #887 Fozzie Bear

BTW, RacerX, I watched that video, and now I want my sanity back.

Be extremely wary of any links posted by me to SB, and vice versa.

892 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 10:15:16pm

I'm not sure what's more scarring, 2 girls 1 cup, or that video.

893 The Left  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 10:15:24pm

re: #872 Spare O'Lake

I prefer to keep a foreign mortal enemy like the Taliban separate from domestic political and religious foes with whom I may yet strongly disagree. Lumping them together is unnecessarily provocative and counterproductive.

In other words, it's been demonstrated to you that the American Taliban deserves to be compared to the Taliban, so now you got nothin'.
LOL.

894 Racer X  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 10:16:02pm

re: #892 Fozzie Bear

I'm not sure what's more scarring, 2 girls 1 cup, or that video.

I have never watched the 2 girls cup thing. Won't.

895 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 10:16:29pm

re: #894 Racer X

I have never watched the 2 girls cup thing. Won't.

Please don't. It's not worth it.

You can't unsee what you have seen.

896 Nimed  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 10:17:29pm

re: #894 Racer X

I have never watched the 2 girls cup thing. Won't.

[Link: xkcd.com...]

897 Racer X  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 10:17:48pm

re: #895 Fozzie Bear

Please don't. It's not worth it.

You can't unsee what you have seen.

I've seen things that I wish I didn't. I'll take your advice.

898 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 10:18:42pm

re: #892 Fozzie Bear

I'll speculate that it would be the cup vid, but that's only speculation. I instantly dropped right the fuck out of that one the split second the cup was presented. Didn't need a navigator and a GPS to tell me where that one was headed.

899 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 10:20:13pm

re: #898 Slumbering Behemoth

I'll speculate that it would be the cup vid, but that's only speculation. I instantly dropped right the fuck out of that one the split second the cup was presented. Didn't need a navigator and a GPS to tell me where that one was headed.

Believe it or not, it goes downhill from there. And then, when you have thought you have just seen the sickest thing ever, real or imagined, it gets even worse.

Then it gets worse.

900 Nimed  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 10:20:14pm

re: #889 Walter L. Newton

Whatever... I make sure I watch closely for any little right wing rhetoric from you... can't wait to put you in the same bucket... careful.

If I'm right wing, Fred Phelps is a progressive.

Now you're just pouting and trying very hard to remain offended. Shrug.

901 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 10:22:47pm

re: #899 Fozzie Bear

I used to have friends that would send those kinds of sick vids to my email acct. at work. Used to.

902 Gus  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 10:23:58pm

Gross.

903 The Left  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 10:24:27pm

Do people remember the Hutaree militia?
When they got arrested, they were all picked up-- and their unmoderated forum was left open. You could auto-reg and immediately post.

4 chan got hold of it. I made the terrible mistake of checking it out....

Nuff said.

904 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 10:24:48pm

re: #901 Slumbering Behemoth

I used to have friends that would send those kinds of sick vids to my email acct. at work. Used to.

Yeah, I have friends like that too. It became a game of who-can-gross-out-the-other-first.

He linked me the cup vid one day...

I don't want to play that game any more.

905 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 10:28:01pm

re: #903 iceweasel

Do people remember the Hutaree militia?
When they got arrested, they were all picked up-- and their unmoderated forum was left open. You could auto-reg and immediately post.

4 chan got hold of it. I made the terrible mistake of checking it out...

Nuff said.

4chan got a hold of that website the GOP set up recently, the one that was open to the public to submit platform ideas. Absolutely hilarious.

I both love and hate 4chan. Sometimes, it is pure unmitigated comedic genius. Sometimes, it is just sick.

I think of 4chan as the internet's immune system. If something desperately needs to be mocked, they will find it, and mock it to death. Sometimes they go too far, akin to an autoimmune disorder.

906 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 10:28:33pm

re: #903 iceweasel

Anytime those guys get a hold of anything, you want to stay well the fuck away. Some of them are not above using kiddie porn.

907 windsagio  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 10:29:35pm

re: #905 Fozzie Bear

Its like SA but you don't have to suck Lowtax' dick, or pay to be a member >>

908 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 10:33:27pm

re: #903 iceweasel

Do people remember the Hutaree militia?
When they got arrested, they were all picked up-- and their unmoderated forum was left open. You could auto-reg and immediately post.

4 chan got hold of it. I made the terrible mistake of checking it out...

Nuff said.

Passes the BIG jug of brain bleach.
Use enough to get it all out.
There's more, if needed!

909 The Left  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 10:33:55pm

re: #905 Fozzie Bear

4chan got a hold of that website the GOP set up recently, the one that was open to the public to submit platform ideas. Absolutely hilarious.

Oh yeah. That I knew about. It wasn't only 4chan that did that. :-)

re: #906 Slumbering Behemoth

Anytime those guys get a hold of anything, you want to stay well the fuck away. Some of them are not above using kiddie porn.

I'm sure. I saw on a leftie site that reg was open on the Hutaree militia forum, but the post had already been updated with a warning that 4chan had arrived.
I thought, ok, I'll just take a look...

Page open for a fraction of one second before I slammed the laptop shut--literally. What has been seen cannot be unseen. :(

910 The Left  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 10:34:30pm

re: #907 windsagio

Its like SA but you don't have to suck Lowtax' dick, or pay to be a member >>

Windy! Where you been? Stanley Sea and I were missing you!

911 windsagio  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 10:36:41pm

re: #910 iceweasel

3 extra shifts on 3 consecutive days >>

Then I'm off the hook for a while, but next Mon-Wed are the same thing.

Need the money for Vegas.

PS: If you can't stand 4ch, don't ever go to the inspiration (note actual link totally safe). Deadly Japanese Brain-poison!

912 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 10:37:57pm

re: #909 iceweasel

I feel your pain. Some are unmerciful on these interwebs.

913 windsagio  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 10:39:11pm

so yeah, anyways I'm kinda sad. Missed some seriously juicy news cycles.

914 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 10:40:26pm

re: #893 iceweasel

In other words, it's been demonstrated to you that the American Taliban deserves to be compared to the Taliban, so now you got nothin'.
LOL.

Your transparent retreat from "Christian Taliban" to "American Taliban" was interesting. Is that because you or someone you care for is a Christian or a non-American? Why don't you call them Taliban Westerners instead?
Go ahead - shift ground and smear away with the broad brush if it makes you feel good, and ignore the fact that it makes you look like an extreme zealot yourself.

915 The Left  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 10:41:12pm

re: #911 windsagio

3 extra shifts on 3 consecutive days >>

Then I'm off the hook for a while, but next Mon-Wed are the same thing.

Need the money for Vegas.

PS: If you can't stand 4ch, don't ever go to the inspiration (note actual link totally safe). Deadly Japanese Brain-poison!

It's been years since I checked out 4chan-- for obvious reasons they were totally evil to Hutaree. I bet you and SB know the image I'm talking about. Starts with T and ends with girl. (im not giving the name because the innocent might google it).

I was pissed! Here I'd gone all these years evading seeing it. :(

916 The Left  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 10:42:10pm

re: #914 Spare O'Lake

Your transparent retreat from "Christian Taliban" to "American Taliban" was interesting. Is that because you or someone you care for is a Christian or a non-American? Why don't you call them Taliban Westerners instead?
Go ahead - shift ground and smear away with the broad brush if it makes you feel good, and ignore the fact that it makes you look like an extreme zealot yourself.

Uh, they're Americans calling for a Christian theocracy, jackass.

917 windsagio  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 10:42:48pm

re: #915 iceweasel

Weenie!

I dislike it anyways, for meta reasons. anything that becomes too much of a culture in and of itself is an annoyance to me >

918 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 10:43:01pm

Whoa, time flies!
Nytol.

919 windsagio  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 10:43:07pm

re: #916 iceweasel

But.... but...

SEMANTICS, DAMMIT!

920 The Left  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 10:43:08pm

re: #913 windsagio

so yeah, anyways I'm kinda sad. Missed some seriously juicy news cycles.

Yeah! Hey, hit me up on twitter! Stanley and I want to talk to you. :)

921 The Left  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 10:43:33pm

re: #919 windsagio

But... but...

SEMANTICS, DAMMIT!

Time flies, hater lies.

922 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 10:45:47pm

re: #915 iceweasel

Yeah, I got to see that one back in the day as someones "sig" on a video game forum.

Lucky me, I show up looking for a solution to a problem with a video game, and I hit that slim window in between said asshole posting that as his "sig", and the moderators banning his/her ass and deleting his/her posts.

923 windsagio  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 10:45:55pm

re: #920 iceweasel

Pff, you and your newfangled technologies >>

I've been resisting so far, but you might break me down ;)

924 Gus  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 10:48:26pm

Apologeticals. Or as I like to think of them. Annoying people.

925 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 10:48:47pm

In honor of Lukeywes1234.re: #914 Spare O'Lake

Your transparent retreat from "Christian Taliban" to "American Taliban" was interesting. Is that because you or someone you care for is a Christian or a non-American? Why don't you call them Taliban Westerners instead?
Go ahead - shift ground and smear away with the broad brush if it makes you feel good, and ignore the fact that it makes you look like an extreme zealot yourself.

Dominionist Christian reconstructionism is both uniquely American, and decidedly Christian. And they have some really frightening views.

They share alot of common ground with the Taliban in terms of stated goals.

It isn't a vapid comparison. These people literally want to establish a theocracy, by force, on American soil, and make no bones about their willingness to kill those who get in their way.

You might wish it were not so, but they are real, and very scary.

926 The Left  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 10:49:01pm

re: #923 windsagio

Pff, you and your newfangled technologies >>

I've been resisting so far, but you might break me down ;)

But how else can we give you our emails? :(

927 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 10:49:43pm

re: #925 Fozzie Bear

Mangled post. Was about to say something about the Lukeywes1234 4chan phenomenon, then switched gears.

(Go ahead google Lukeywes1234... it's not one of their scary memes.)

928 windsagio  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 10:51:23pm

re: #926 iceweasel

lol, ya got me, holdon. I suppose signing up for it doesn't mean I need to USE it much ;0

929 windsagio  Wed, Jun 23, 2010 10:52:33pm

re: #928 windsagio

Christ Apparently I signed up for Twitter at some point and don't freaking remember it!

930 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 12:04:28am

re: #48 JasonA

I should confess, though.. She's not a fan of LGF. In fact, she likes (coincidentally enough) the harpy and visits her site often.

I'm probably gonna pray for her anyway. I'm a bitch like that.

:)

931 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 12:08:50am

re: #90 CuriousLurker

So she's our advocate?

*head explodes*

Only if you're the right kind of Muslim. (You, I'm afraid, are not the right kind of Muslim. If you were, you wouldn't be at LGF. Don't expect anything from Pam.)

;)

932 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 12:37:37am

re: #914 Spare O'Lake

Your transparent retreat from "Christian Taliban" to "American Taliban" was interesting. Is that because you or someone you care for is a Christian or a non-American? Why don't you call them Taliban Westerners instead?
Go ahead - shift ground and smear away with the broad brush if it makes you feel good, and ignore the fact that it makes you look like an extreme zealot yourself.

lol

933 tank816  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 12:39:35am

The closest thing I can find is this thing on RedState where Senator Jon Kyl reports that Obama told him face-to-face that he won't secure the border, because then Republicans won't have a reason to support ‘comprehensive immigration reform.’

That's a huge jump from "executive order amnesty", of course....

934 ClaudeMonet  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 1:09:15am

re: #164 PT Barnum

usually good erotica is like good horror...it's what you don't see but are given lots of help imagining that is the most satisfying.

Exactly. That's the key to the great Hitchcock movies, the anticipation rather than the deed.

935 shai_au  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 1:25:40am

I'm just looking at Geller's main page now, at the article about Muslims being "outraged" at some Christian fashion show.

And personally, I do not see what her problem is. Ideally, in a free society, people have the right to be outraged by whatever they want to be outraged by. And as long as they do not express it in a violent way, or use it to suppress other people's right to speak, then I'm all for it. Even if I think it's stupid.

Going by her reaction, it's almost like the fashion show had been prevented from occurring in the first place.

I do realise the danger of stupidity creep if I spend too much time looking at that site, so I think I'll stop now.

936 shai_au  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 1:27:08am

re: #934 ClaudeMonet

Exactly. That's the key to the great Hitchcock movies, the anticipation rather than the deed.

I loved that quote from him about how a bomb not exploding is suspense, while a bomb exploding is action.

937 shai_au  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 3:12:29am

re: #64 Charles

Also at Geller's hate-hole today, this amazing statement:

It's true, though. She has no problem with Muslims, as long as they hate Islam. As long as they're not Muslim, basically.

938 Michael McBacon  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:11:14am

re: #937 shai_au

It's true, though. She has no problem with Muslims, as long as they hate Islam. As long as they're not Muslim, basically.

There are self-hating Arabs who fall for Eurofascist conspiracy theories, many of whom support people like Robert Spencer and... Pamela Geller.

939 What, me worry?  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 8:54:36am

re: #933 tank816

The closest thing I can find is this thing on RedState where Senator Jon Kyl reports that Obama told him face-to-face that he won't secure the border, because then Republicans won't have a reason to support ‘comprehensive immigration reform.’

That's a huge jump from "executive order amnesty", of course...

Of course, Kyl is certainly not making any of this up, right? Then explain why today we have more border security than any other time in history? Explain why George Bush never "solved" the immigration issue if it was so important to Republicans. It certainly wasn't on the top of his agenda.

The White House, btw, denies ever saying such things to Kyl. It's his word against the President's and everyone knows the Republicans aren't taking Obama's word at anything.

940 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 9:20:43am

re: #939 marjoriemoon

Of course, Kyl is certainly not making any of this up, right? Then explain why today we have more border security than any other time in history? Explain why George Bush never "solved" the immigration issue if it was so important to Republicans. It certainly wasn't on the top of his agenda.

The White House, btw, denies ever saying such things to Kyl. It's his word against the President's and everyone knows the Republicans aren't taking Obama's word at anything.

The thing is, it WAS on the top of Bush's agenda. It's just that his own party railroaded the bill in congress.

For all his flaws, Bush really did want meaningful immigration reform, including a path to citizenship for illegals.

There's no way the xenophobic GOP base would ever go for that, however.

941 Jaerik  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 9:52:33am

I'm surprised no one's pointed out that the only time we had a "mass amnesty" of 4M+ illegals in the country was under Reagan. Funny, I don't remember a civil war in 1986. And Reagan didn't even mince words -- he straight-up called it "amnesty."


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