Pamela Geller: I Have No Problem with Muslims, Except That ‘Goodness Makes Them Ill’

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I wouldn’t post about this hateful creature again so soon, but this is a case of absolutely classic shrieking harpy hypocrisy. Yesterday Pamela Geller posted this:

“I believe I’m fighting for Muslims here,” she said. “I have no problem with Muslims.”

Today she posts this:

The Muslims are finishing the work of the Mufti al-Husseini, Hitlers ally and mass slaughterer of Jews during the the holocaust. Sixty years later, it’s the Muslims who are dragging the rest of the world with them, in their genocidal dreams of annihilating goodness, creativity, production, inventiveness, benevolence, charity, medicine, technology, and all of the gifts of the Jews.

Our goodness makes them ill.

Right — she has no problem with Muslims at all! They’re just all Nazi-allied genocidal murderers who want to destroy everything good in the world.

Who would ever get the idea that Geller has a problem with Muslims?

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1 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 11:38:13am

She speaks from personal experience about goodness making people ill.

2 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 11:38:22am

Lumping that many millions of people into one homogenous, like-thinking, blob is very fuzzy thinking.

She just put Neda in with Dinnerjacket. Not sure that's a good idea.

3 M. Dubious  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 11:39:43am

Is that the best picture available? Poor girl. Heh.

4 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 11:42:06am

Well what do we expect? Pam is an ignorant, hate mongering, racist bitch who cravenly tries to make her meaningless life relevant by shitting on people.

She is worthless to the core and a disgrace.

5 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 11:43:06am

I expect my favorite conservative German blog site is gonna have a field day with this topic, as it does play right into the Geller meme:

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

6 SpaceJesus  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 11:44:32am

you could say the exact same things about the evangelical right, pam

7 Henchman Ghazi-808  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 11:44:44am

That sounds like the deep thinking I used to hear, such as:

"I don't have a problem with black people, but I hate n******."

But she does have that Linda Blair think going on now!

8 Charles Johnson  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 11:46:06am

re: #5 ralphieboy

I expect my favorite conservative German blog site is gonna have a field day with this topic, as it does play right into the Geller meme:

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

By the way, the crowd that threw rocks at the dance troupe was apparently not all Muslims. There were Germans in there too.

And yes, it sucks. That's why the police arrested the ones who threw rocks.

Geller's using this to whip up some more fury against Muslims, exactly like neo-Nazis use stories about black or Jewish crimes to whip up their followers. Exactly the same motivations.

9 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 11:46:22am

re: #7 BigPapa

That sounds like the deep thinking I used to hear, such as:

"I don't have a problem with black people, but I hate n***."

But she does have that Linda Blair think going on now!

Yeah, every time I see that picture, I worry I'm going to get pea soup on my keyboard.

10 SpaceJesus  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 11:46:29am

re: #7 BigPapa

That sounds like the deep thinking I used to hear, such as:

"I don't have a problem with black people, but I hate n***."

But she does have that Linda Blair think going on now!


not really, this is much more blanketed and worse

11 Charles Johnson  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 11:47:05am

She's calling me Chuckie today, an absolutely devastating tactic. I don't know how I'll be able to go on.

12 Summer Seale  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 11:47:39am

Seriously, Pamela Geller sounds like she suffers from some twisted version of Tourette's.

13 Kragar  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 11:48:34am

I have no problem with Geller, except for the her being a bigoted hate filled hag.

14 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 11:48:44am

re: #8 Charles

By the way, the crowd that threw rocks at the dance troupe was apparently not all Muslims. There were Germans in there too.

And yes, it sucks. That's why the police arrested the ones who threw rocks.

Geller's using this to whip up some more fury against Muslims, exactly like neo-Nazis use stories about black or Jewish crimes to whip up their followers. Exactly the same motivations.

Actually it's going to come out as Muslims = Nazis

15 Ziggy Standard  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 11:48:49am
Sixty years later, it’s the Muslims who are dragging the rest of the world with them, in their genocidal dreams of annihilating goodness, creativity, production, inventiveness, benevolence, charity, medicine, technology, and all of the gifts of the Jews.

Our goodness makes them ill.

Change a couple of words and that wouldn't look out of place in Mein Kampf.

What's next Pammie? A video comparing Muslims with rats?

16 M. Dubious  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 11:48:54am

re: #11 Charles

She's calling me Chuckie today, an absolutely devastating tactic. I don't know how I'll be able to go on.

Be strong! We´re all praying for you...

17 Henchman Ghazi-808  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 11:49:19am

How did she know you had a song written about you CJ?

18 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 11:49:29am
...it’s the Muslims...

Interesting... she has gone from railing against radical Islamist and advanced right on to "the Muslims." All of them I guess, sort of right in lock-step with Gert and the other fascist nationalist in in the United States and Europe.

Oops... did I say lock step?

19 Jack Burton  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 11:50:18am
Right — she has no problem with Muslims at all! They’re just all Nazi-allied genocidal murderers who want to destroy everything good in the world.

They're against everything good, decent, and wholesome!

/mancow

20 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 11:50:40am

re: #11 Charles

She's calling me Chuckie today, an absolutely devastating tactic. I don't know how I'll be able to go on.

It's OK Charles... I feel your pain. If you ever need to talk about it...

21 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 11:53:24am

re: #15 Jimmah

Change a couple of words and that wouldn't look out of place in Mein Kampf.

What's next Pammie? A video comparing Muslims with rats?

You know the projection of these people is one of the more fascinating things as a social and psychological phenomenon.

Pam is even (sad to say) Jewish. She should know what real Nazis were and were like. She should be able to see it when she uses the same tactics.

Yet, not just her, but the teabags and the Dominionists and the Beck types and the Rush types spew Nazi diarrhea everywhere, when the realities of the Nazis stare them in the mirror.

22 lawhawk  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 11:53:40am

I hate to go all Susan Powter, but STOP THE INSANITY!

Seriously.

Not all Muslims are genocidal maniacs who are hellbent on converting the Joos or Christians. Some Muslims do. The trick is to not only separate one from the other, but to give necessary support to those Muslims who do not support jihad and all that it entails to stand up against the Islamists and jihadis.

Idiotic statements such as Geller's do nothing to help in fighting the jihadists. It sends precisely the wrong message.

And frankly there are real serious problems in Europe with anti Semitism, and it's got support from Eurofascists who see Jews as the perpetual scapegoat, along with Muslims who are more than willing to join in with the Jew-bashing both as part of the anti-Israel sentiment and with their own brand of anti Semitism.

23 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 11:55:25am

And now is ze time on Schprocketts when we throw rocks at ze dancers...

24 Kragar  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 11:56:35am

re: #23 ralphieboy

And now is ze time on Schprocketts when we throw rocks at ze dancers...

OUCH! MEIN GOTT! DER UZ GRAVEL IN MEIN LEIDERHOSEN!

25 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 11:56:51am

re: #23 ralphieboy

And now is ze time on Schprocketts when we throw rocks at ze dancers...

It is an old tradition there.

Honestly I simply don't get how any Jew could consider living in Germany or Poland under any circumstances.

26 lawhawk  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 11:58:13am

re: #25 LudwigVanQuixote

Helen Thomas could not be reached for comment.

27 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 11:59:34am

re: #26 lawhawk

Helen Thomas could not be reached for comment.

I wish that line weren't so truthfully funny.

28 Cato the Elder  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 11:59:44am

Pam's friend Robert once told me I was the reincarnation of Julius Streicher, or something like that.

What he doesn't know is that tulkus normally switch sexes in the next life.

You do the math, Bobby.

29 lostlakehiker  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 12:00:26pm

To whatever extent it may be that Muslims want to exterminate Jews, I do have a problem with that.

There must be a distinction between Muslims, who come in the usual variety that humans come in, and Islam, which is partly a doctrine fixed by text, and partly whatever Muslim teachers and leaders make it.

When it comes to the doctrine fixed by text, in it one finds calls to extermination---of everybody, really, except Muslims, but most particularly, of Jews. One finds vilification of Jews.

When it comes to what the teachers and leaders make it, the picture today is an unhappy one. Jews have in fact been more or less erased from Arab North Africa. Where once there were millions, now there is but a remnant. The rest, driven out.

Iraq, same story.

Turkey, same story. And for good measure, the Greeks driven out too. And they got a better deal than the Armenians.

In Bangladesh, having no Jews at hand, the Hindus have been driven out. Taslima Nasrin's book "Shame" gives chapter and verse.

In Kashmir, same thing, only this time, the victims are termed Dallits. But they're burned out all the same.

In the Sudan, [Darfur] with no Jews at hand, it's the non-Muslim animists getting hosed. Or if you want a more clinical term, starved and slaughtered.

And then there is Iran. Here, the distinction between Islam-as-State and Muslims as people is drawn most sharply. A theocratic State preaches, with its every word, the eradication of Israel. And to prove that this is far from idle talk, it strives mightily to build an arsenal of nuclear weapons together with delivery vehicles.

This takes money, a lot of it. So the State squeezes the people. Old folk die of cold in the winter, for there is nothing to spare for home heating. There is nothing to spare for rebar, so modest earthquakes snuff the lives of tens of thousands. If the State loses an election, well, it wins the count, and then it wins the battle for the streets. This regime keeps its eye on the ball. If Iranian policy is Islam in action, and there's nothing wrong with Islam's actions, then what does "wrong" mean?

30 lawhawk  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 12:00:36pm

re: #25 LudwigVanQuixote

We're running out of safe places to live - and safe is an increasingly relative term. And that's all the more reason to continue supporting Israel as it is really the last bastion for Jews; across Europe the tide of anti Semitism is reaching new highs, and you've got dictators and thugs stirring up anti Semitic crap in places all around the planet - from Venezuela's [T]hugo Chavez to throughout the Middle East to Russia and Europe.

Real dangerous times.

31 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 12:00:39pm

re: #13 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I have no problem with Geller, except for the her being a bigoted hate filled hag.

I imagine she has an annoying voice as well.

32 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 12:01:18pm

re: #25 LudwigVanQuixote

It is an old tradition there.

Honestly I simply don't get how any Jew could consider living in Germany or Poland under any circumstances.

My Jewish step-brother has been living in Germany for over ten years and my father's been in Austria even longer. I don't think either has had any problems with anti-semitism.

33 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 12:01:53pm

re: #25 LudwigVanQuixote

It is an old tradition there.

Honestly I simply don't get how any Jew could consider living in Germany or Poland under any circumstances.


The Jewish community in Germany has more than tripled in size, from 60,000 to over 200,000, mostly due to the influx of ex-Soviet Jews.

All in all, there have been very few problems for them in living in Germany, the right wing in Germany has been directing its rage mostly against Muslim and other non-white immigrants rather than Europeans.

34 lawhawk  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 12:04:28pm

re: #33 ralphieboy

In other words - the usual suspects are busy going after other targets, but their vitriol and violence will again be directed at Jews in short order. Note too that anti Semitism is up in Russia and all over Europe (and the rest of the world). It's not just Germany and Poland where the problems exist.

35 CuriousLurker  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 12:05:04pm

She's Jewish (at least in name), right? I wonder if it ever occurs to her that—should they ever manage to get their hands on real power in this country and get rid of the Muslims—the pack of wolves she's running with wouldn't hesitate to then turn their rabid fangs in the direction of her own throat.

36 Cato the Elder  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 12:05:27pm

re: #33 ralphieboy

The Jewish community in Germany has more than tripled in size, from 60,000 to over 200,000, mostly due to the influx of ex-Soviet Jews.

All in all, there have been very few problems for them in living in Germany, the right wing in Germany has been directing its rage mostly against Muslim and other non-white immigrants rather than Europeans.

Niemöller's list has changed.

"First they came for the Muslims..."

But the people with whom Pam is making common cause still have Jews on the list, in invisible ink.

37 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 12:05:36pm

re: #30 lawhawk

We're running out of safe places to live - and safe is an increasingly relative term. And that's all the more reason to continue supporting Israel as it is really the last bastion for Jews; across Europe the tide of anti Semitism is reaching new highs, and you've got dictators and thugs stirring up anti Semitic crap in places all around the planet - from Venezuela's [T]hugo Chavez to throughout the Middle East to Russia and Europe.

Real dangerous times.

Yeah. That is for certain. Zionism is needed more than ever. On that end, I can sort of see how Pam freaked out so much with fear and paranoia that she made deals with devils. However, no one said that being a Jew was easy. We not only have to stand for Israel, and for the People, but we have to stay moral and true to ourselves when we do it.

What accomplishes is nothing less than sleeping with rattlesnakes. If she ehinks that appeasement is a bad move (and it is) then certainly making political allies with those who would kill her ans skull fick he in a heart beat for being Jewish ( and she would be lucky if they did it in that order) is not the answer either.

But on a deeper level, we have to do what is right even if the rest of the world makes that hard.

Welcome to being Jew # 1,327,119,875 in our history who wishes He would choose someone else.

38 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 12:06:21pm

re: #33 ralphieboy

The Jewish community in Germany has more than tripled in size, from 60,000 to over 200,000, mostly due to the influx of ex-Soviet Jews.

All in all, there have been very few problems for them in living in Germany, the right wing in Germany has been directing its rage mostly against Muslim and other non-white immigrants rather than Europeans.

Give them time. The far right always turns on Jews. We see that in the States too.

39 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 12:07:00pm

re: #36 Cato the Elder

Niemöller's list has changed.

"First they came for the Muslims..."

But the people with whom Pam is making common cause still have Jews on the list, in invisible ink.

It is hardly invisible.

40 McSpiff  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 12:07:17pm

re: #38 LudwigVanQuixote

Give them time. The far right always turns on Jews. We see that in the States too.

Then what happens in Israel?

41 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 12:07:55pm

re: #35 CuriousLurker

She's Jewish (at least in name), right? I wonder if it ever occurs to her that—should they ever manage to get their hands on real power in this country and get rid of the Muslims—the pack of wolves she's running with wouldn't hesitate to then turn their rabid fangs in the direction of her own throat.

I'm still wondering if her new pal David Wood is behind that Christian Solution site.

42 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 12:08:02pm

re: #40 McSpiff

Then what happens in Israel?

Good question.

End of the day, that is what we have the IDF for.

43 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 12:08:30pm

re: #38 LudwigVanQuixote

Give them time. The far right always turns on Jews. We see that in the States too.

Which means they are as safe in Germany as they are most anywhere else in the world at this point...

44 CuriousLurker  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 12:09:23pm

I guess I was having the same thought as lawhawk at the same time. It doesn't take much of a leap in thinking to see where that kind of hate heads.

45 McSpiff  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 12:09:24pm

re: #42 LudwigVanQuixote

Good question.

End of the day, that is what we have the IDF for.

I think you misunderstood my question, I was admittedly being obtuse.

You stated the Far Right always turns on Jews, and that's why Zionism and the State of Israel are so important. My point was more what happens when the Far Right gains power in Israel?

46 Ojoe  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 12:09:42pm

re: #37 LudwigVanQuixote

But on a deeper level, we have to do what is right even if the rest of the world makes that hard.

I salute all of you, the world is much better because of you.

47 Ziggy Standard  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 12:09:52pm

re: #36 Cato the Elder

Niemöller's list has changed.

"First they came for the Muslims..."

But the people with whom Pam is making common cause still have Jews on the list, in invisible ink.

But that doesn't matter - Jews need to accept 'help' in the short term from anyone and everyone regardless of their long term plans involving them - see apologetic arguments for Christian Zionist 'support' for Israel for more details...

48 Cato the Elder  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 12:10:41pm

re: #39 LudwigVanQuixote

It is hardly invisible.

It is to Pam. But I think she thinks she can use the Nazis to finish off the Muslims who want to kill the Jews, and then everything will be fine. And she and Gert will have sex on the beach.

49 What, me worry?  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 12:11:15pm

re: #34 lawhawk

In other words - the usual suspects are busy going after other targets, but their vitriol and violence will again be directed at Jews in short order. Note too that anti Semitism is up in Russia and all over Europe (and the rest of the world). It's not just Germany and Poland where the problems exist.

Absolutely. The resurgence of anti-Semitism in Europe started along the time of the second infitada (2002ish). But what troubles me the most is when you find it organized in Germany.

50 CuriousLurker  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 12:12:50pm

re: #41 iceweasel

I'm still wondering if her new pal David Wood is behind that Christian Solution site.

We'll figure it out. I didn't make "curious" part of my nick for nothing. ;)

51 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 12:14:45pm

re: #45 McSpiff

I think you misunderstood my question, I was admittedly being obtuse.

You stated the Far Right always turns on Jews, and that's why Zionism and the State of Israel are so important. My point was more what happens when the Far Right gains power in Israel?

Then you are being obtuse.

Likud is nothing like the teabags or European fascists, not even close. Honestly, given their support of social programs and environmental issues, they would barely rate as blue dog Democrats in the US.

Think about it. If Likud really were that right wing, some decades ago, there would have ceased to have been a Palestinian issue. The Palis would have been expelled in a full scale military campaign.

While there are some and by some I mean some hundreds of Israelis who hold views like those you are afraid of they really are only measurable in the hundreds. However, they would be unlikely to turn against Jews.

Also, in Israel, the religious right is not linked to the hawks directly. The very religious have their own small parties and agendas.

52 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 12:15:13pm

re: #46 Ojoe

I salute all of you, the world is much better because of you.

Thank you.

53 Ojoe  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 12:16:47pm

re: #52 LudwigVanQuixote

You are more than welcome.

54 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 12:17:26pm

re: #12 Summer

Seriously, Pamela Geller sounds like she suffers from some twisted version of Tourette's.

It's remarkably reminiscent of Borderline Personality Disorder. A family member of mine suffers from it, and it is characterized by paranoid fantasies of victimization, and rage-infused outbursts, wherein, for a brief time, the subject of the rage is literally the cause of all sufferng, of everything bad in the world, for a time. (from the perspective of the BPD sufferer)

She (the family member) is also aware of it and one of the sweetest people alive at the core. She just can't help it.

55 McSpiff  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 12:17:27pm

re: #51 LudwigVanQuixote

Then you are being obtuse.

Likud is nothing like the teabags or European fascists, not even close. Honestly, given their support of social programs and environmental issues, they would barely rate as blue dog Democrats in the US.

Think about it. If Likud really were that right wing, some decades ago, there would have ceased to have been a Palestinian issue. The Palis would have been expelled in a full scale military campaign.

While there are some and by some I mean some hundreds of Israelis who hold views like those you are afraid of they really are only measurable in the hundreds. However, they would be unlikely to turn against Jews.

Also, in Israel, the religious right is not linked to the hawks directly. The very religious have their own small parties and agendas.

I never named Likud. My point is that Israel is having similar issues with the right wing. We've seen it with the settler movement. Obviously we'll never see a large scale Anti-Semitic movement in Israel but I don't think Israel is any more immune to the other symptoms of Bad Crazy anymore than America, Germany or Canada.

56 What, me worry?  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 12:18:02pm

re: #37 LudwigVanQuixote

Yeah. That is for certain. Zionism is needed more than ever. On that end, I can sort of see how Pam freaked out so much with fear and paranoia that she made deals with devils. However, no one said that being a Jew was easy. We not only have to stand for Israel, and for the People, but we have to stay moral and true to ourselves when we do it.

What accomplishes is nothing less than sleeping with rattlesnakes. If she ehinks that appeasement is a bad move (and it is) then certainly making political allies with those who would kill her ans skull fick he in a heart beat for being Jewish ( and she would be lucky if they did it in that order) is not the answer either.

But on a deeper level, we have to do what is right even if the rest of the world makes that hard.

Welcome to being Jew # 1,327,119,875 in our history who wishes He would choose someone else.

That's the crux of it for me. Jews who trust the Muslim haters are fools. There is no difference between Muslim and Jew for these people. When I see them ranting about it on youtube or whatever, it sends a chill up my spine because it's the same hate once directed at us. Can't she see that? She should be ashamed of herself.

57 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 12:18:20pm

re: #36 Cato the Elder

Niemöller's list has changed.

"First they came for the Muslims..."

But the people with whom Pam is making common cause still have Jews on the list, in invisible ink.

They are there, just a little lower on the list. Pam didn't read far enough ahead.

58 Ziggy Standard  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 12:19:39pm

re: #48 Cato the Elder

It is to Pam. But I think she thinks she can use the Nazis to finish off the Muslims who want to kill the Jews, and then everything will be fine. And she and Gert will have sex on the beach.

That really is Pam in a nutshell.

59 wrenchwench  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 12:21:00pm

re: #58 Jimmah

That really is Pam in a nutshell.

And nutshell really is the proper container.

60 What, me worry?  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 12:21:34pm

re: #51 LudwigVanQuixote

Then you are being obtuse.

Likud is nothing like the teabags or European fascists, not even close. Honestly, given their support of social programs and environmental issues, they would barely rate as blue dog Democrats in the US.

Think about it. If Likud really were that right wing, some decades ago, there would have ceased to have been a Palestinian issue. The Palis would have been expelled in a full scale military campaign.

While there are some and by some I mean some hundreds of Israelis who hold views like those you are afraid of they really are only measurable in the hundreds. However, they would be unlikely to turn against Jews.

Also, in Israel, the religious right is not linked to the hawks directly. The very religious have their own small parties and agendas.

For the longest time, my mother and I would try to sort out Israeli politics. It was never easy. Right and Left are very different than American Right and Left. A lot of it comes from being a parliament, too, which has always been difficult for me to understand.

I think I would be considered a Rightie in Israel today.

61 Ziggy Standard  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 12:21:58pm

re: #59 wrenchwench

And nutshell really is the proper container.

I'm sure her brain would find it to be a spacious habitation.

62 Cato the Elder  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 12:22:54pm

re: #58 Jimmah

Jimmah, are you anything like "Desmond" in "Lost"? Because if you talk like him and drink like him and call me "brother" in that way he does, I'll move to Scotland right after you and Weasel and tend sheep for you guys.

Let the jokes begin...

63 What, me worry?  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 12:24:33pm

re: #62 Cato the Elder

Jimmah, are you anything like "Desmond" in "Lost"? Because if you talk like him and drink like him and call me "brother" in that way he does, I'll move to Scotland right after you and Weasel and tend sheep for you guys.

Let the jokes begin...

Baaaaaah!

64 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 12:25:04pm

re: #60 marjoriemoon

For the longest time, my mother and I would try to sort out Israeli politics. It was never easy. Right and Left are very different than American Right and Left. A lot of it comes from being a parliament, too, which has always been difficult for me to understand.

I think I would be considered a Rightie in Israel today.

I'm not sure--I think you'd be centrist?
I just defer to my Israeli friends on Israeli politics and though by us standards they'd be 'left' I don't think they're considered right or left there (or consider themselves to be).
They've also expressed concerns along the lines McSpiff raises too about their own far right.

65 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 12:25:11pm

re: #62 Cato the Elder

Jimmah, are you anything like "Desmond" in "Lost"? Because if you talk like him and drink like him and call me "brother" in that way he does, I'll move to Scotland right after you and Weasel and tend sheep for you guys.

Let the jokes begin...

What are ewe talking about?

66 Ziggy Standard  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 12:26:22pm

re: #62 Cato the Elder

Jimmah, are you anything like "Desmond" in "Lost"? Because if you talk like him and drink like him and call me "brother" in that way he does, I'll move to Scotland right after you and Weasel and tend sheep for you guys.

Let the jokes begin...

Never seen 'Lost'. However...

The job would actually be stealing sheep(family tradition) - as long as you're ok with that.

67 CuriousLurker  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 12:26:25pm

Okay, I've gotta get back to work. BBL

68 Donna Ballard  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 12:29:26pm

I have a friend who was in the army as a young man, he tells me a story of how the guys he went through boot camp with accused him, as a Jew, of killing God. Ignorance is no excuse, but then neither is bigotry or stupidity. I find the biggest problem today is the brainwashing of the children, in Israel they have tried to integrate the Jewish kids with the Muslim kids and for the most part it worked. That is until the family's got involved, the parents may have sanctioned the co-schooling of the kids but the extended families got real hostile about it. It's sad really, it could have been a great new beginning for both if the kids could have become friends and understood each others differences in religion a lot of strife might be averted.

69 Cato the Elder  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 12:30:44pm

re: #66 Jimmah

Never seen 'Lost'. However...

The job would actually be stealing sheep(family tradition) - as long as you're ok with that.

D'ye mean te be tellin' me yer a reaver, man?

Cool.

70 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 12:30:47pm

re: #64 iceweasel

I'm not sure--I think you'd be centrist?


I think she would be pretty mainline Likud. I certainly would be in may respects and I am hardly right wing.

I just defer to my Israeli friends on Israeli politics and though by us standards they'd be 'left' I don't think they're considered right or left there (or consider themselves to be).

Jews specialize in being hard to quantify politically.

They've also expressed concerns along the lines McSpiff raises too about their own far right.

That is likely hyperbole on their part or misunderstanding on yours. Generally when it comes to far right in Israeli politics one is talking about the various religious parties. Some of them are incredibly nuts, and because of the structure of the Knesset, they have disproportionate power when brokering political coalitions. They are a real problem at times.

However, true scary jack boot types - despite the way that the Israeli left would like to fear monger about them - are very mercifully rare in Israeli politics.

71 Bagua  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 12:31:01pm

re: #55 McSpiff

I never named Likud. My point is that Israel is having similar issues with the right wing. We've seen it with the settler movement. Obviously we'll never see a large scale Anti-Semitic movement in Israel but I don't think Israel is any more immune to the other symptoms of Bad Crazy anymore than America, Germany or Canada.

You are playing word association games. "Right wing" is not some sort of monolithic identity that crosses all international boundaries. Nor is it "Bad Crazy" for the people of Judah to want to live in Judea. The Bad Crazy are the ones who want Judea to be free of Jews, just like Gaza, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, etc. etc.

72 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 12:32:24pm

re: #56 marjoriemoon

That's the crux of it for me. Jews who trust the Muslim haters are fools. There is no difference between Muslim and Jew for these people. When I see them ranting about it on youtube or whatever, it sends a chill up my spine because it's the same hate once directed at us. Can't she see that? She should be ashamed of herself.

She should be ashamed of herself first because any Jew who support the baseless stereotyping of whole groups to the extent of preaching violence should know better. From the moral standpoint, the fact that it is also self defeating is secondary.

73 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 12:32:29pm

re: #70 LudwigVanQuixote

That is likely hyperbole on their part or misunderstanding on yours. Generally when it comes to far right in Israeli politics one is talking about the various religious parties. Some of them are incredibly nuts, and because of the structure of the Knesset, they have disproportionate power when brokering political coalitions. They are a real problem at times.

However, true scary jack boot types - despite the way that the Israeli left would like to fear monger about them - are very mercifully rare in Israeli politics.

No no-- neither hyperbole nor misunderstanding. It's the religious parties we both mean.

74 teleskiguy  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 12:33:01pm

Pamela Geller is a nincompoop. The fact the some people take her seriously is pretty sad.

75 Donna Ballard  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 12:33:53pm

re: #74 teleskiguy

Pamela Geller is a nincompoop. The fact the some people take her seriously is pretty sad.

Boy you can say that again!

76 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 12:35:56pm

re: #55 McSpiff

I never named Likud. My point is that Israel is having similar issues with the right wing. We've seen it with the settler movement. Obviously we'll never see a large scale Anti-Semitic movement in Israel but I don't think Israel is any more immune to the other symptoms of Bad Crazy anymore than America, Germany or Canada.

Well then you are spiraling off into fantasy land. Likud is the "right wing" political party in Israel. Kadima is a bizarre thing that is neither fish nor fowl and hopefully soon to disappear and Labor is the Left. Everything else is a tiny party that gets just enough votes to gain a seat or two n the Knesset.

What you are doing is the equivalent of looking at America 30 years ago and comparing Reagan Republicans to fringe Libertarians of today. One difference though is that Likud, unlike Reagan is strongly secular and while it will court the religious out of necessity, does not use them as wedge issues or court them as their base.

77 Ziggy Standard  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 12:37:03pm

re: #69 Cato the Elder

D'ye mean te be tellin' me yer a reaver, man?

Cool.

One of my uncles researched our family tree years ago and said he traced us back to sheep stealers. One day I'm going to have to research it myself to see if it's really true.

78 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 12:38:43pm

re: #73 iceweasel

No no-- neither hyperbole nor misunderstanding. It's the religious parties we both mean.

OK that's fine, but the religious parties are a totally different kettle of fish than teabags or fascist types. The religious parties have their own agendas that have a lot more to do with maintaining religious control over conversion recognition, and marriage licenses, divorce proceedings, and certain issues related to ritual law.

Past that, they break down into many different splinter groups with different agendas and Labor and Likud can usually play one religious party off the others.

79 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 12:42:03pm

re: #78 LudwigVanQuixote

OK that's fine, but the religious parties are a totally different kettle of fish than teabags or fascist types. The religious parties have their own agendas that have a lot more to do with maintaining religious control over conversion recognition, and marriage licenses, divorce proceedings, and certain issues related to ritual law.

Past that, they break down into many different splinter groups with different agendas and Labor and Likud can usually play one religious party off the others.

Yeah, I know that-- and we're also in agreement that those guys aren't a threat within Israel in any way near to what christian dominionists/theocrats are here in the US politically.
I don't know what McSpiff meant and don't want to put words in his mouth (er, post) but my israeli friends feel about those people the way we do about christian dominionists, that's all--but this isn't a claim that they're 'going to take over' or anything.

80 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 12:42:50pm

re: #79 iceweasel

--but this isn't a claim that they're 'going to take over' or anything.


For various reasons that will just never happen.

81 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 12:48:05pm

re: #79 iceweasel

Yeah, I know that-- and we're also in agreement that those guys aren't a threat within Israel in any way near to what christian dominionists/theocrats are here in the US politically.
I don't know what McSpiff meant and don't want to put words in his mouth (er, post) but my israeli friends feel about those people the way we do about christian dominionists, that's all--but this isn't a claim that they're 'going to take over' or anything.

I am sure you can see from my posts, that I consider certain of the religious parties to be really bad news myself. They really are nuts and they really do throw all sorts of spanners in the works politically for the State of Israel as a whole.

However, their brand of nuts is something that is very unique to Israel and Jews in general. My point is only that you really can't compare them easily to either teabags or Dominioinists.

82 Vambo  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 12:49:38pm

I'm liking the Pamela Geller icon that we're now using. She looks kinda like Diamanda Galas there... just as scary, but not as cool.

83 researchok  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 12:52:31pm

re: #38 LudwigVanQuixote

Give them time. The far right always turns on Jews. We see that in the States too.

A long time ago a friend once noted that each chapter Jewish history tells a different story. He went on to say the end of each chapter is always the same.

That made an impression, for sure.

84 researchok  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 12:53:36pm

re: #77 Jimmah

One of my uncles researched our family tree years ago and said he traced us back to sheep stealers. One day I'm going to have to research it myself to see if it's really true.

There are a lot worse things your antecedents could have done with sheep.

85 Romantic Heretic  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 12:57:34pm

I'm thinking Ms. Geller might want to stay away from qualified mental health professionals.

86 pharmmajor  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 12:59:41pm

Why does Geller's unbridled bigotry and paranoia make her seem like a descendant of General Ripper?

87 Bagua  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 1:05:00pm

re: #71 Bagua

You are playing word association games. "Right wing" is not some sort of monolithic identity that crosses all international boundaries. Nor is it "Bad Crazy" for the people of Judah to want to live in Judea. The Bad Crazy are the ones who want Judea to be free of Jews, just like Gaza, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, etc. etc.

Can Iceweasel and Jimmah explain why this is an offensive comment? Do you support the ethnic cleansing of Jews from Judea?

88 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 1:07:54pm

re: #87 Bagua

Can Iceweasel and Jimmah explain why this is an offensive comment? Do you support the ethnic cleansing of Jews from Judea?

89 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 1:09:43pm

re: #87 Bagua

Can Iceweasel and Jimmah explain why this is an offensive comment? Do you support the ethnic cleansing of Jews from Judea?

Have another downding for suggesting that anyone here supports that, Bagua.

Thank you for the opportunity to demonstrate yet again that you are a shit stirrer and a liar when you claim you 'never address' me.

I won't respond further to your comments in this thread, as usual, except to downding you some more.
Have a nice day. :)

90 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 1:11:51pm

re: #87 Bagua

Can Iceweasel and Jimmah explain why this is an offensive comment? Do you support the ethnic cleansing of Jews from Judea?

That was over the top.

91 Bagua  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 1:13:26pm

re: #90 LudwigVanQuixote

That was over the top.

Do you also object to the statement below? The alternative is the expulsion of Jews from Judea, just as is the case in Jordan.

re: #71 Bagua

You are playing word association games. "Right wing" is not some sort of monolithic identity that crosses all international boundaries. Nor is it "Bad Crazy" for the people of Judah to want to live in Judea. The Bad Crazy are the ones who want Judea to be free of Jews, just like Gaza, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, etc. etc.

92 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 1:15:14pm

re: #55 McSpiff

I never named Likud. My point is that Israel is having similar issues with the right wing. We've seen it with the settler movement. Obviously we'll never see a large scale Anti-Semitic movement in Israel but I don't think Israel is any more immune to the other symptoms of Bad Crazy anymore than America, Germany or Canada.

Israel doesn't have the luxury of wallowing in self-hate, because it is surrounded by the religious extremists of Islamofascist Jihadism.
And for all its faults Canada has nothing which compares to the depth or the scale of the American religious whacko movements.
As for Germany, well...it's Germany, isn't it?

93 researchok  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 1:15:46pm

re: #87 Bagua

Can Iceweasel and Jimmah explain why this is an offensive comment? Do you support the ethnic cleansing of Jews from Judea?

Not everything in the ME is a zero sum game.

There are absolutes and certainly unbridled hate and racism are always absolutely intolerable under any circumstances.

That said, the hate fostered is primarily driven by political agenda. Religious hate is really no more than an expression of a political agenda. The religion has been co opted by political tyrants. The state pays 'religious authorities'. How long do you think a cleric would be employed if he said 'maybe terror and hate aren't such a good idea'. Not long.

Further, in order to get the state paying job, the cleric has to agree to certain 'terms of employment'.

Like I said, hate and bigotry cannot be tolerated. It is up to us and Israel to make sure the general Muslim population becomes aware of reality. When they understand they have been used I submit the problem will take care of itself.

The 'kill them all' attitude cannot be tolerated either.

While it may be unfair, their is a price to pay for and to keep the moral high ground.

94 Bagua  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 1:17:57pm

re: #93 researchok

Correct, and the Israeli Jews certainly occupy the high moral grounds. They wish to live in peace together with the Arabs. The Arabs alternatively wish the lands they occupy to be ethnically cleansed of Jews. Huge difference.

95 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 1:18:12pm

re: #93 researchok

Not everything in the ME is a zero sum game.

There are absolutes and certainly unbridled hate and racism are always absolutely intolerable under any circumstances.

That said, the hate fostered is primarily driven by political agenda. Religious hate is really no more than an expression of a political agenda. The religion has been co opted by political tyrants. The state pays 'religious authorities'. How long do you think a cleric would be employed if he said 'maybe terror and hate aren't such a good idea'. Not long.

Further, in order to get the state paying job, the cleric has to agree to certain 'terms of employment'.

Like I said, hate and bigotry cannot be tolerated. It is up to us and Israel to make sure the general Muslim population becomes aware of reality. When they understand they have been used I submit the problem will take care of itself.

The 'kill them all' attitude cannot be tolerated either.

While it may be unfair, their is a price to pay for and to keep the moral high ground.

In context, Bagua accused another poster of wanting to cleanse Judea of the Jews-- out of the blue. Hence the downding. Now he can play the game of 'ooh, iceweasel and jimmah SUPPORT that' -- because we downdinged his extremely obvious and hateful trolling of another poster.
So you know. It's the same as every other day.

96 Bagua  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 1:22:40pm

re: #95 iceweasel

In context, Bagua accused another poster of wanting to cleanse Judea of the Jews-- out of the blue. Hence the downding. Now he can play the game of 'ooh, iceweasel and jimmah SUPPORT that' -- because we downdinged his extremely obvious and hateful trolling of another poster.
So you know. It's the same as every other day.

Liar, I said the "Bad Crazy" are the ones who want this, not McSpiff who has not advocating this. I am indicating that he is identifying the wrong side as crazy. At least be honest with your hostility Iceweasel.

97 Bagua  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 1:23:34pm

re: #95 iceweasel

In context, Bagua accused another poster of wanting to cleanse Judea of the Jews-- out of the blue. Hence the downding. Now he can play the game of 'ooh, iceweasel and jimmah SUPPORT that' -- because we downdinged his extremely obvious and hateful trolling of another poster.
So you know. It's the same as every other day.

And your talk of "hateful trolling" based upon your lie. You are the hater at LGF.

98 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 1:25:20pm

re: #97 Bagua

And your talk of "hateful trolling" based upon your lie. You are the hater at LGF.

No fucking kidding.

99 researchok  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 1:25:29pm

re: #95 iceweasel

In context, Bagua accused another poster of wanting to cleanse Judea of the Jews-- out of the blue. Hence the downding. Now he can play the game of 'ooh, iceweasel and jimmah SUPPORT that' -- because we downdinged his extremely obvious and hateful trolling of another poster.
So you know. It's the same as every other day.

I hate an environment that makes everything a zero sum game. It's a sure path to the bottom of the barrel.

You and I have different political views but I suspect we have a lot more in common than most because we aren't zero sum people.

That said, if you like pistachio ice cream let me suggest you enter therapy immediately.

100 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 1:27:22pm

re: #99 researchok

I hate an environment that makes everything a zero sum game. It's a sure path to the bottom of the barrel.

You and I have different political views but I suspect we have a lot more in common than most because we aren't zero sum people.

That said, if you like pistachio ice cream let me suggest you enter therapy immediately.

Agreed with all. Especially the bit about pistachio icecream.

Hey, we agree on that too!

101 researchok  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 1:29:00pm

Everyone else, take a chill pill.

This isn't personal, it's about finding a way to make things work. To imply that anyone here endorses or turns a blind eye to hate and bigotry is absurd- and offensive.

So what if we all don't agree on everything all the time? No one here takes a stand out of malice. NO ONE.

102 researchok  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 1:29:57pm

re: #100 iceweasel

Agreed with all. Especially the bit about pistachio icecream.

Hey, we agree on that too!

Yeah, well I want that in writing. I know how you hard lefties are.

103 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 1:31:01pm

re: #101 researchok

Everyone else, take a chill pill.

This isn't personal, it's about finding a way to make things work. To imply that anyone here endorses or turns a blind eye to hate and bigotry is absurd- and offensive.

So what if we all don't agree on everything all the time? No one here takes a stand out of malice. NO ONE.

Kumbaya, muthafucka.

104 Bagua  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 1:33:11pm

re: #98 Spare O'Lake

No fucking kidding.

It is tremendously obvious Iceweasel is up to her old tricks trying to drive away those she doesn't like from LGF.

105 sffilk  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 1:35:27pm

One small correction: it's not Mufti al-Husseini, it's Haj Amil al-Husseini, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem. She doesn't even check the history, does she?

106 researchok  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 1:37:25pm

re: #104 Bagua

It is tremendously obvious Iceweasel is up to her old tricks trying to drive away those she doesn't like from LGF.

Unfair and untrue.

She and I have very different ideas. While our exchanges haven't been frequent, I can tell you she's stand up. She's never beat me down for having another POV- ever. In fact, when we do exchange ideas, it;s just that, an exchange. She listens, I listen, we find out we agree or we find out we disagree. Never ended a conversation on a down note.

She's stand up.

107 Bagua  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 1:41:52pm

re: #106 researchok

Unfair and untrue.

She and I have very different ideas. While our exchanges haven't been frequent, I can tell you she's stand up. She's never beat me down for having another POV- ever. In fact, when we do exchange ideas, it;s just that, an exchange. She listens, I listen, we find out we agree or we find out we disagree. Never ended a conversation on a down note.

She's stand up.

You are not on her target list. I named a few of those who currently are.

108 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 1:44:54pm

re: #106 researchok

Unfair and untrue.

She and I have very different ideas. While our exchanges haven't been frequent, I can tell you she's stand up. She's never beat me down for having another POV- ever. In fact, when we do exchange ideas, it;s just that, an exchange. She listens, I listen, we find out we agree or we find out we disagree. Never ended a conversation on a down note.

She's stand up.

Thank you. That meant a tremendous amount to me coming from you. I really appreciate it.

109 researchok  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 1:52:40pm

re: #107 Bagua

You are not on her target list. I named a few of those who currently are.

I have never been on her target list.

Maybe it's because we have actually exchanged a real ideas and not just a few inflexible opinions (and ideological opinions are always the weakest part of an argument). When all is said and done, that makes for quality exchanges.

You and I share many similar ideas- and opinions. That said, I see no diminution of those ideas simply because I may disagree with someone.

Send out a peace offering. Discuss ideas. You may be very surprised even if you end up disagreeing.

110 researchok  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 1:54:52pm

re: #108 iceweasel

Thank you. That meant a tremendous amount to me coming from you. I really appreciate it.

Your just saying that because of the sheep wisecrack.

111 Bagua  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 1:54:54pm

re: #109 researchok

I have never been on her target list.

Maybe it's because we have actually exchanged a real ideas and not just a few inflexible opinions (and ideological opinions are always the weakest part of an argument). When all is said and done, that makes for quality exchanges.

You and I share many similar ideas- and opinions. That said, I see no diminution of those ideas simply because I may disagree with someone.

Send out a peace offering. Discuss ideas. You may be very surprised even if you end up disagreeing.

I have never initiated hostilities with Iceweasel and Jimmah, certainly not for many months. I react after they start their attacks, otherwise I ignore them.

112 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 1:56:12pm

re: #109 researchok

I have never been on her target list.

Maybe it's because we have actually exchanged a real ideas and not just a few inflexible opinions (and ideological opinions are always the weakest part of an argument).

It's also because 1) i don't have a 'target list' and 2) if i did, the way to get on it would be to call me a sociopath, or call Jimmah names.

Pretty simple, really.

This is all butthurt fallout over Charles telling the AM Wingnut Wave to cut it out the other day anyway. They're very angry and too cowardly to take it out on him.

113 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 1:56:54pm

re: #110 researchok

Your just saying that because of the sheep wisecrack.

i admit, I LOL'd. as in literally.

114 researchok  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 1:58:15pm

re: #111 Bagua

I have never initiated hostilities with Iceweasel and Jimmah, certainly not for many months. I react after they start their attacks, otherwise I ignore them.

That may be wholly true, partially true or untrue. In the end, perceptions don't matter.

Like I said, send out a peace offering. I never really talked with Jimmah so I can't gauge what his response might be. As for Ice, she'll be game. She really does have this 'fairness' thing going on.

115 b_sharp  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 2:00:14pm

re: #3 harald

Is that the best picture available? Poor girl. Heh.

That picture is the best at exposing her inner beauty.

116 captdiggs  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 2:00:29pm

And to think of the days when Geller was nominated here for the Fallaci award.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

That right side honors column is pretty interesting.

117 b_sharp  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 2:01:22pm

re: #9 EmmmieG

Yeah, every time I see that picture, I worry I'm going to get pea soup on my keyboard.

Stop eating pea soup.

118 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 2:01:59pm
119 researchok  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 2:03:46pm

re: #112 iceweasel

It's also because 1) i don't have a 'target list' and 2) if i did, the way to get on it would be to call me a sociopath, or call Jimmah names.

Pretty simple, really.

This is all butthurt fallout over Charles telling the AM Wingnut Wave to cut it out the other day anyway. They're very angry and too cowardly to take it out on him.

Could be some truth to that. LOTS I could say on that.

I think some people at LGF consider being in agreement with Charles or receiving acknowledgment from Charles a part of the LGF 'experience'. That is a shame because at least to me and for me, it is the disagreements that shape the LGF community.

120 researchok  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 2:04:28pm

re: #118 Bagua

Again, more divisiveness, and cleverly playing up to the authority figure, Charles. Yes, that is the behaviour of a sociopath. I don't make such a claim lightly. Sociopaths are quite charming, clever and good at twisting the rules and authority figures to suit their agenda.

Are you a psychologist? Behaviorist?

121 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 2:05:47pm

re: #114 researchok

That may be wholly true, partially true or untrue. In the end, perceptions don't matter.

Like I said, send out a peace offering. I never really talked with Jimmah so I can't gauge what his response might be. As for Ice, she'll be game. She really does have this 'fairness' thing going on.

I don't think it's possible on their parts at this point. Even after all the shit they've said to me (which I can foirgive, possibly) and the shit they've said to Jimmah (which makes me angry), I updinged both of them yesterday when I thought they made good points. Why not? Life is short, dings are silly and they make make the recipient happy.
And so today I'm rewarded by being called a sociopath and worse by them.

So yeah, even if they apologised to me and to Jimmah (which they will not) they would revert. I'm sorry to say that, but it's true. This has been the pattern over several months. Every time I'm nice to them, they start shit again.

And in any case, I'm really a proxy here for what they're really mad about.

122 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 2:06:51pm
123 Charles Johnson  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 2:10:15pm

re: #116 captdiggs

And to think of the days when Geller was nominated here for the Fallaci award.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

That right side honors column is pretty interesting.

And your point is ... what, exactly? Those nominations came from readers, not from me, and you will now find a lot of those readers at a blog that openly supports genocide.

They're gone from here for a reason.

124 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 2:10:29pm
125 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 2:11:49pm

ere: #120 researchok

Are you a psychologist? Behaviorist?

Thanks very much for the kind words and support, but I'm afraid I can't take any more of this today. I know it's their intent, but there's a limit.
take care, see you soon. and thanks again.

126 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 2:11:57pm
127 researchok  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 2:14:55pm

re: #121 iceweasel

I don't think it's possible on their parts at this point. Even after all the shit they've said to me (which I can foirgive, possibly) and the shit they've said to Jimmah (which makes me angry), I updinged both of them yesterday when I thought they made good points. Why not? Life is short, dings are silly and they make make the recipient happy.
And so today I'm rewarded by being called a sociopath and worse by them.

So yeah, even if they apologised to me and to Jimmah (which they will not) they would revert. I'm sorry to say that, but it's true. This has been the pattern over several months. Every time I'm nice to them, they start shit again.

And in any case, I'm really a proxy here for what they're really mad about.

You know what? You may be right, you may be partly right and you may not be right! Who cares?

This forum is unique in many ways, not the least of which is why it is unique.

As a behaviorist, motives interest me and to me this forum is unique because if offers everyone the opportunity for redemption. What that means is in here, you can safely change your mind, ideas and opinions.

Many progressives can admit they can agree wholeheartedly with some conservative ideas. Conservatives can admit that can embrace some progressive ideas.

How many places online or off make that possible or safe?

I use the word redemption because when we open ourselves up- really open ourselves up- we become better people. Not because of the ideas we embrace but because we do not need to be beholden a particular ideology or group to know who we are. No one else can define us or speak for us. We become better at being ourselves, at who we are.

We redeem ourselves. Seriously.

128 captdiggs  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 2:43:43pm

re: #123 Charles

And your point is ... what, exactly?.


I don't think that Geller has changed all that much since 2007.

129 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 2:47:43pm

re: #128 captdiggs

I don't think that Geller has changed all that much since 2007.

No, I don't think she has either.

130 Charles Johnson  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 2:49:26pm

re: #128 captdiggs

I don't think that Geller has changed all that much since 2007.

And that means what to you?

131 Charles Johnson  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 2:55:15pm

And by the way, I don't agree that Geller hasn't changed. She was always on the hysterical side, but she's gotten progressively more extreme over the time she's been blogging, until now she has gone completely batshit nuts.

I'm sure it's been there all along, but there was a time when she tried not to let her inner bigot show so much.

132 researchok  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 2:57:18pm

Now that she's learned the steps, the music has picked up the pace.

She was always an ideologue first and that is her appeal. You don't have to think.

133 CuriousLurker  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 3:01:19pm

re: #127 researchok

You know what? You may be right, you may be partly right and you may not be right! Who cares?

This forum is unique in many ways, not the least of which is why it is unique.

As a behaviorist, motives interest me and to me this forum is unique because if offers everyone the opportunity for redemption. What that means is in here, you can safely change your mind, ideas and opinions.

Many progressives can admit they can agree wholeheartedly with some conservative ideas. Conservatives can admit that can embrace some progressive ideas.

How many places online or off make that possible or safe?

I use the word redemption because when we open ourselves up- really open ourselves up- we become better people. Not because of the ideas we embrace but because we do not need to be beholden a particular ideology or group to know who we are. No one else can define us or speak for us. We become better at being ourselves, at who we are.

We redeem ourselves. Seriously.

I just wanted to log back in for a sec to tell you that was totally awesome.

1000 up-dings ((((researchok))))

134 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 3:39:12pm

re: #77 Jimmah

One of my uncles researched our family tree years ago and said he traced us back to sheep stealers. One day I'm going to have to research it myself to see if it's really true.

At least your aren't traced back to a line of sheep fu....

nevermind.

135 Amory Blaine  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 4:14:42pm

Atlas Farted scrubbed some posts...

136 Charles Johnson  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:23:22pm

re: #135 Amory Blaine

Atlas Farted scrubbed some posts...

I don't believe it. She went back and edited it.

137 Amory Blaine  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:26:46pm

Atlas must have an eraser too.

138 Charles Johnson  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:29:51pm

Correction: she didn't edit it. She just wrote another one that looks so much like it that I confused it with the first one.

139 Cheese Eating Victory Monkey  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 12:52:16am

A must read: Religious Muslims and religious Israeli Jews getting along just fine.

And here's another fascinating article about Israel-Indonesian relations. Turns out that there was sympathy for the Israeli side right after the 1967 war.

140 SueG  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 4:59:35am

re: #8 Charles

By the way, the crowd that threw rocks at the dance troupe was apparently not all Muslims. There were Germans in there too.
....

With all respect... but Muslim is not a nationality. You CAN be a german muslim. They arrested a German 14 year old and a North African 19 year old.

On-topic, I do not know Pamela Geller. I am concerned however how anti-Semitic acts and hate speech is growing within the muslim community. That there are muslims who can get along just fine with jews, does not make that less worrying.


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