Rand Paul Supports Amendment to Deny Automatic Citizenship to Kids Born in the US

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Lunatic Rand Paul announced today that he wants to change the US Constitution to take away the right to automatic citizenship for children born in the United States.

Rand Paul is a big believer in the US Constitution. Except those parts of it that have to do with civil rights and citizenship.

And the GOP leadership is welcoming him into the fold with a gala fundraiser at the National Republican Senatorial Committee headquarters: Establishment Republicans Help Rand Paul Raise Senate Campaign Money.

What a difference nine months makes. Kentucky Senate GOP nominee Rand Paul will be feted tonight at a fundraiser at National Republican Senatorial Committee headquarters. The hosts: Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (Ky.), NRSC Chairman John Cornyn (Texas), 10 other GOP Senators and eight House Republicans.

Back in September, the NRSC was the venue for a fundraiser for Paul’s GOP primary opponent, Kentucky Secretary of State Trey Grayson. At the time, Paul’s campaign pointed to the event as an example of the establishment machine that Paul was trying to run against. But Paul went on to beat Grayson in their May primary and seems happy to allow the party establishment to show him some love.

Among those Members whose agreed to serve as hosts at both the September event for Grayson and tonight’s gathering for Paul are McConnell, Cornyn, and Sens. Lamar Alexander (Tenn.), Richard Burr (N.C.), Saxby Chambliss (Ga.), Tom Coburn (Okla.) and Senate Minority Whip Jon Kyl (Ariz.).

A “welcome committee” at tonight’s $1,000 per ticket event will feature Sens. Bob Corker (Tenn.), Jim DeMint (S.C.), Kay Bailey Hutchison (Texas), James Inhofe (Okla.) and Roger Wicker (Miss.) as well as Reps. John Carter (Texas), John Culberson (Texas), John Duncan (Tenn.), Walter Jones (N.C.) and all four Members of Kentucky’s Republican House delegations.

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587 comments
1 windsagio  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 3:39:08pm

Gotta keep those potential voters out of the pipeline!

I was wrong, the GOP does have some longterm planning!

2 albusteve  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 3:41:26pm

lunatic, moron, racist albusteve agrees in principle….affecting the Constitution over it is a waste of time tho….there are more important issues to deal with

3 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 3:42:19pm

Damn that pesky 14th amendment!

4 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 3:42:19pm

He wants to do away with the Fourteenth ammendment?

I hate to say it, but that would be…profoundly un-American.

We’re a nation of immigrants, like it or not.

5 Amory Blaine  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 3:42:59pm

Wow. What will the Constitutional originalists think?

6 darthstar  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 3:43:15pm

RndPaul() the function that never fails to fail.

7 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 3:43:55pm

re: #6 darthstar

RndPaul() the function that never fails to fail.

It’s apparently a recursive function with no base case.

8 allegro  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 3:43:56pm

Wow, that’s a party I’m glad I wasn’t invited to. What a guest list. *bleh*

9 windsagio  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 3:44:21pm

re: #6 darthstar

Which is funny actually, because by its nature, you’d think it’d be right about half the time >>

10 researchok  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 3:44:30pm

Before Rand Paul opines about changing the Constitution, how about he discusses his feelings on the application of existing laws? How about he concentrates on fixing what needs to be fixed before we start redecorating and rewriting the constitution?

Just a thought.

11 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 3:44:35pm

So who’s opposed to the Constitution now?

12 Gus  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 3:45:25pm

Clearly, this is not motivated by race.

//

13 albusteve  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 3:45:35pm

re: #4 EmmmieG

He wants to do away with the Fourteenth ammendment?

I hate to say it, but that would be…profoundly un-American.

We’re a nation of immigrants, like it or not.

is there any rationale behind this amendment?….just gift the child with citizenship because of geography?…then what of the parents?…if you support an open free for all with regard to illegal/legal immigrants just say so

14 darthstar  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 3:45:50pm

re: #7 Fozzie Bear

It’s apparently a recursive function with no base case.

It takes a valid argument, then returns a random wrong answer…and actually, RndPaul()’s answers aren’t all that random anymore.

15 windsagio  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 3:47:34pm

re: #13 albusteve

is there any rationale behind this amendment?…just gift the child with citizenship because of geography?…then what of the parents?…if you support an open free for all with regard to illegal/legal immigrants just say so

Look it up. The concept of Jus Soli is actually really interesting.

The alternative, Jus Sanguinis (for ‘right of blood’) is really creepy and offputting.

I know you don’t like my links, but read the wiki article, trust me its fascinating!

16 albusteve  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 3:47:42pm

re: #10 researchok

Before Rand Paul opines about changing the Constitution, how about he discusses his feelings on the application of existing laws? How about he concentrates on fixing what needs to be fixed before we start redecorating and rewriting the constitution?

Just a thought.

and not just your thought….the whole situation has come unglued

17 albusteve  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 3:48:08pm

re: #15 windsagio

Look it up. The concept of Jus Soli is actually really interesting.

The alternative, Jus Sanguinis (for ‘right of blood’) is really creepy and offputting.

I know you don’t like my links, but read the wiki article, trust me its fascinating!

I have

18 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 3:48:44pm

re: #13 albusteve

is there any rationale behind this amendment?…just gift the child with citizenship because of geography?…then what of the parents?…if you support an open free for all with regard to illegal/legal immigrants just say so

The fourteenth ammendment was passed because the newly reconstructed South was finding new and creative ways to deny citizenship to the recently freed slaves. They had to make geography the basis of citizenship, because it couldn’t be gotten around.

(Also, kids born in this country to immigrant parents had been considered Americans for a long time, starting with people like Benjamin Franklin.

I understand that it has become an immigration problem, but the fourteenth ammendment only extended to blacks what had been taken for granted for whites for a long time.

19 researchok  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 3:49:45pm

re: #12 Gus 802

Clearly, this is not motivated by race.

//

Good point.

Somehow, illegal Irish and Polish aliens aren’t quite the threat.

20 windsagio  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 3:50:11pm

re: #17 albusteve

Yay!

21 darthstar  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 3:50:42pm

re: #19 researchok

Good point.

Somehow, illegal Irish and Polish aliens aren’t quite the threat.

I hope not…being an anchor-baby myself and all.

22 albusteve  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 3:51:39pm

re: #12 Gus 802

Clearly, this is not motivated by race.

//

there you have it…everytime

23 windsagio  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 3:51:46pm

If there are people against this on here (not sure there are, and if you do agree with Rnd here, and admit it, gotta admire your bravery),

what should the absolute base standard be for citizenship?

24 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 3:52:07pm

re: #18 EmmmieG

The fourteenth ammendment was passed because the newly reconstructed South was finding new and creative ways to deny citizenship to the recently freed slaves. They had to make geography the basis of citizenship, because it couldn’t be gotten around.

(Also, kids born in this country to immigrant parents had been considered Americans for a long time, starting with people like Benjamin Franklin.

I understand that it has become an immigration problem, but the fourteenth ammendment only extended to blacks what had been taken for granted for whites for a long time.

Clarify… so it has nothing to do with children of illegal immigrants who are born in this country?

25 Gus  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 3:52:36pm

re: #22 albusteve

there you have it…everytime

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

26 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 3:52:39pm

re: #23 windsagio

If there are people against this on here (not sure there are, and if you do agree with Rnd here, and admit it, gotta admire your bravery),

what should the absolute base standard be for citizenship?

A color comparison chip.

“You must be whiter than this chip to ride this ride”

/////

27 Amory Blaine  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 3:53:03pm

re: #23 windsagio

If there are people against this on here (not sure there are, and if you do agree with Rnd here, and admit it, gotta admire your bravery),

what should the absolute base standard be for citizenship?

Card carrying member of the plutocracy?

28 darthstar  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 3:53:13pm

re: #26 Fozzie Bear

A color comparison chip.

“You must be whiter than this chip to ride this ride”

///

Thank god for tan lines.

29 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 3:53:25pm

re: #24 Walter L. Newton

Clarify… so it has nothing to do with children of illegal immigrants who are born in this country?

Without looking it up, it applies to them, but the ammendment was passed because of reconstruction.

30 albusteve  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 3:53:25pm

re: #23 windsagio

If there are people against this on here (not sure there are, and if you do agree with Rnd here, and admit it, gotta admire your bravery),

what should the absolute base standard be for citizenship?

the law…simply enforce the law
that the feds have turned their backs on the law, the situation has worsened

31 researchok  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 3:53:41pm

re: #21 darthstar

I hope not…being an anchor-baby myself and all.

Just imagine if ICE and INS said, ‘We’re starting small. We’re headed to Chicago to round up illegal Poles’.

‘Rand Paul could not be reached for comment’.

32 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 3:54:02pm

re: #26 Fozzie Bear

A color comparison chip.

“You must be whiter than this chip to ride this ride”

///

I saw a woman in Costco the other day who appears to be trying to make up her own racial category.

“White—Black—Burnt Orange”

33 windsagio  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 3:54:11pm

re: #24 Walter L. Newton

I think it had to do with a certain liberal standard too, for lack of a better term.

It was important to them that you, and not your parents, were what qualified you to be a citizen (if that makes sense)

34 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 3:54:50pm

re: #23 windsagio

If there are people against this on here (not sure there are, and if you do agree with Rnd here, and admit it, gotta admire your bravery),

what should the absolute base standard be for citizenship?

I think we have those base standards already in the constitution and in the laws that allow someone to apply and train for legal citizenship.

35 albusteve  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 3:54:54pm

re: #25 Gus 802

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

I don’t give a crap about any of that shit…your feeble attempt to insult me fails….I speak for myself…just come out and say I’m a racists…if that’s what you think say it

36 windsagio  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 3:54:56pm

re: #30 albusteve

That’s a different discussion, since we’re talking about how Rnd wants to change the law.

My question boils down to ‘what would you change it to?’

37 Political Atheist  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 3:55:04pm

In political terms this is “Famous Last Words” right up there with “give me the matches, I can not see where the gas in leaking from”.

38 windsagio  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 3:55:37pm

re: #34 Walter L. Newton

Then should all children have to apply and take classes when they reach a certain age?

39 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 3:55:45pm

re: #29 EmmmieG

Without looking it up, it applies to them, but the ammendment was passed because of reconstruction.

Ok… I knew why it was passed. I was wondering if you thought it extended to others.

40 McSpiff  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 3:56:21pm

re: #13 albusteve

is there any rationale behind this amendment?…just gift the child with citizenship because of geography?…then what of the parents?…if you support an open free for all with regard to illegal/legal immigrants just say so

I do not support the first world creating stateless people. There is no guarantee that any foreign country will bestow citizenship on anyone born outside its boarders, and I think anyone born in American/Canadian jurisdiction should have the right to a citizenship. So if you qualify for citizenship somewhere else, great, no American/Canadian for you, but if you don’t qualify for any other citizenship, then yes you get Canadian/American citizenship.

41 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 3:56:34pm

re: #13 albusteve

is there any rationale behind this amendment?…just gift the child with citizenship because of geography?…then what of the parents?…if you support an open free for all with regard to illegal/legal immigrants just say so

I suspect the tradition has to do with other country’s citizenship laws. In some countries, even if you parents are citizens, their child is not granted citizenship if born out of the country. If the country they’re born in doesn’t grant them citizenship either then you soon have a whole bunch of stateless people wandering around with no citizenship anywhere.

42 albusteve  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 3:56:44pm

re: #36 windsagio

That’s a different discussion, since we’re talking about how Rnd wants to change the law.

My question boils down to ‘what would you change it to?’

you ask a lot of question that you don’t even have an answer for, or any input

43 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 3:56:48pm

re: #37 Rightwingconspirator

In political terms this is “Famous Last Words” right up there with “give me the matches, I can not see where the gas in leaking from”.

Yep. Rand is hugging the third rail like it is life support. He just doesn’t get it.

44 Gus  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 3:57:25pm

re: #35 albusteve

I don’t give a crap about any of that shit…your feeble attempt to insult me fails…I speak for myself…just come out and say I’m a racists…if that’s what you think say it

I wasn’t talking about you Steve. I was referring to Rand Paul.

Take a chill pill.

45 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 3:57:36pm

re: #38 windsagio

Then should all children have to apply and take classes when they reach a certain age?

No.

Do you think if a illegal immigrant mother has a child in this country, it should have any bearing on whether she should be allowed to stay in this country if she is discovered to be illegal by the authorities?

46 windsagio  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 3:57:56pm

re: #42 albusteve

My answer is that I love the standard of Jus Soli. Just wondering if anyone else thinks the standard should be something else.

Now that you have my answer, whats your opinion? :)

47 windsagio  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 3:58:44pm

re: #45 Walter L. Newton

Hmm, I really do.

But to be honest, I’m pro-amnesty too.

48 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 3:59:20pm

re: #39 Walter L. Newton

Ok… I knew why it was passed. I was wondering if you thought it extended to others.

Other what?

I’m not trying to be obtuse, and I understand that this has created a huge problem. Who’s kidding who? The entire US-Mexican border is a mess.

I, personally, blame the elite in Mexico for failing to do anything to help their own people.

49 albusteve  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 4:00:26pm

re: #41 Killgore Trout

I suspect the tradition has to do with other country’s citizenship laws. In some countries, even if you parents are citizens, their child is not granted citizenship if born out of the country. If the country they’re born in doesn’t grant them citizenship either then you soon have a whole bunch of stateless people wandering around with no citizenship anywhere.

that’s easy enough to reform by law…I’m not suggesting that people born here are nobody…I’m saying instant citizenship is wrong…there is middle ground to explore…if not then I can live with it….I’m not freaked out, just stating my moronic opinion

50 Nimed  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 4:00:39pm

Charles, I’ve got to hand it to you — you were more on target on the Pauls’ brand of bad craziness than I was. Their positions look more and more like active bigotry, and not merely some sort of “principled position” detached from reality.

51 Political Atheist  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 4:01:28pm

Would stateless people have to move to the District Of Columbia ? ;)

52 darthstar  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 4:01:59pm

re: #31 researchok

Just imagine if ICE and INS said, ‘We’re starting small. We’re headed to Chicago to round up illegal Poles’.

‘Rand Paul could not be reached for comment’.

Fuck the Poles. I’m Irish.
//

53 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 4:02:06pm

It’s the choice of issues that Paul advocates that is so telling.

This is nativism and xenophobia.

54 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 4:02:06pm

re: #48 EmmmieG

Other what?

I’m not trying to be obtuse, and I understand that this has created a huge problem. Who’s kidding who? The entire US-Mexican border is a mess.

I, personally, blame the elite in Mexico for failing to do anything to help their own people.

This amendment was targeted for a certain situation, for a certain time, for a certain reason, but appears to have been written to include future considerations.

Do you think this amendment should be extended to all children born in this country, oblivious to the mothers status?

I thought maybe you were questioning the current usage. I was just asking for a clarification.

55 albusteve  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 4:02:25pm

re: #44 Gus 802

I wasn’t talking about you Steve. I was referring to Rand Paul.

Take a chill pill.

I have them around here somewhere…lets see
pain
beta blockers
antibiotics
blood thinners
chill…found them!

56 Targetpractice  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 4:02:40pm

re: #49 albusteve

that’s easy enough to reform by law…I’m not suggesting that people born here are nobody…I’m saying instant citizenship is wrong…there is middle ground to explore…if not then I can live with it…I’m not freaked out, just stating my moronic opinion

And what solution would you suggest? Remember, we’re not talking simply children of illegals, we’re talking children of legal citizens whose parents have played by the rules.

57 darthstar  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 4:03:04pm

re: #49 albusteve

that’s easy enough to reform by law…I’m not suggesting that people born here are nobody…I’m saying instant citizenship is wrong…there is middle ground to explore…if not then I can live with it…I’m not freaked out, just stating myNazi, blood-thirsty, moronic opinion

FTFY.
//

58 Nimed  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 4:03:18pm

Bagua, Rand Paul is showing them :)

Youtube Video
59 windsagio  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 4:03:36pm

re: #50 Nimed

Its the same thing as Antebellum ‘states rights’.

If you’re pissed at the government for telling you you can’t discriminate its easy to segue from that to a position that the government shouldn’t have anything to do with anything. Also has a greater appearance of acceptability.

NOTE: I am not saying that libertarians are automatically southern or racist. I’m just saying that going from a pro-segregation position lends itself to libertarianism once the Feds get involved.

60 albusteve  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 4:04:23pm

re: #50 Nimed

Charles, I’ve got to hand it to you — you were more on target on the Pauls’ brand of bad craziness than I was. Their positions look more and more like active bigotry, and not merely some sort of “principled position” detached from reality.

Charles is a beast…he has an eye on everything

61 ryannon  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 4:05:06pm

re: #57 darthstar

FTFY.
//

“Blood-thirsty moronic Nazi” sounds a whole lot better.

62 McSpiff  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 4:05:10pm

re: #51 Rightwingconspirator

Would stateless people have to move to the District Of Columbia ? ;)

I understand it might not seem like a big deal, but in terms of rights I find you can do worse than the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. Article 15 of which states:

Article 15

1. Everyone has the right to a nationality.
2. No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his nationality nor denied the right to change his nationality.

I do think that’s a very important right, and I’d hate to see American take a step back on it.

63 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 4:05:23pm

re: #54 Walter L. Newton

This amendment was targeted for a certain situation, for a certain time, for a certain reason, but appears to have been written to include future considerations.

Do you think this amendment should be extended to all children born in this country, oblivious to the mothers status?

I thought maybe you were questioning the current usage. I was just asking for a clarification.

Actually, we’ve been a country in which born here means American. To change that would be to change 400 years of practice.

Again, I really have no idea how to fix the situation with illegals. We have to work with human nature rather than against it, and it’s human nature to want to go where there is opportunity for you and your family.

(Making the observation, again, that the richest man in the world is Mexican.)

64 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 4:05:29pm

Lets just take the fig leaf off and start calling Libertarianism what it really is: anarchism with a tie.

65 albusteve  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 4:05:41pm

re: #61 ryannon

“Blood-thirsty moronic Nazi” sounds a whole lot better.

yes, book it

66 Political Atheist  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 4:05:49pm

re: #60 albusteve

Charles is a beast…he has an eye on everything

Yes indeed and take a quick peek downstairs. A Troll got roasted so fast all that is left is his shadow on the street.

67 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 4:06:49pm

Sure of course, why, “small government libertarian” and amendments to the United States constitution just go hand in hand in your mind don’t they?

/Wat? :p

68 albusteve  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 4:06:54pm

re: #66 Rightwingconspirator

Yes indeed and take a quick peek downstairs. A Troll got roasted so fast all that is left is his shadow on the street.

good one

69 Bagua  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 4:07:02pm

re: #58 Nimed

Bagua, Rand Paul is showing them :)


[Video]

Taking a swipe at me? What is your point?

70 Political Atheist  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 4:07:36pm

re: #62 McSpiff

I agree. Everyone born here is an American forever.

71 Gus  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 4:07:47pm

re: #66 Rightwingconspirator

Yes indeed and take a quick peek downstairs. A Troll got roasted so fast all that is left is his shadow on the street.

Image: 155102957_1228c8dc24.jpg

72 windsagio  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 4:08:11pm

re: #64 Fozzie Bear

Lets just take the fig leaf off and start calling Libertarianism what it really is: anarchism with a tie.

I think its really different.

The libertairans seem to really want local governments that support their particular values. Anarchists want nothing.

(yea yeah generalizations, what can ya do?)

73 researchok  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 4:08:33pm

Citizenship status is derived by way of one of two criteria- ‘blood’ or ‘land.’

In the United States, for example, citizenship is primarily derived by ‘land’ status. That means that if you were born here, you are automatically awarded citizenship.

Conversely, being born in Switzerland is no guarantee of citizenship. In fact, there are generations of people that have been born in Switzerland that are not entitled to Swiss citizenship according to Swiss law.

Descendants of British, Irish and Polish ancestry, for example, are all entitled to enhanced and privileged immigration status by those nations. Throughout most of Europe, having even a bit of ‘preferred’ blood entitles one to a citizenship ‘fast track.’

What is really in question here is ‘anchor baby’ status. Should we allow the parents of children be allowed to stay here or not. The 14th Amendment is clear.

It seems to me that before we reconsider the 14th Amendment we need fix the border/immigration problems we have now. Dealing with the issue of anchor babies will not even begin to address our immigration and border problems.

It is the equivalent of the Captain of the Titanic demanding crew members pug the hole with their fingers.

74 windsagio  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 4:09:37pm

re: #73 researchok

+ for the sentiment, but man I hate that term.

75 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 4:10:32pm

re: #4 EmmmieG

He wants to do away with the Fourteenth ammendment?

I hate to say it, but that would be…profoundly un-American.

We’re a nation of immigrants, like it or not.

Yeah but we got here first, fuck all the rest of them, they don’t belong cause they ain’t tru mericans! /

76 McSpiff  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 4:10:39pm

re: #70 Rightwingconspirator

I agree. Everyone born here is an American forever.

I’m not American, I can’t make that determination. But I do feel comfortable saying that everyone is something. And if you’re relying on other nations to do the right thing and give children born in America citizenship, I think you’re going to be disappointed.

77 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 4:11:02pm

re: #63 EmmmieG

Actually, we’ve been a country in which born here means American. To change that would be to change 400 years of practice.

Again, I really have no idea how to fix the situation with illegals. We have to work with human nature rather than against it, and it’s human nature to want to go where there is opportunity for you and your family.

(Making the observation, again, that the richest man in the world is Mexican.)

I’m fine with a child being considered a American citizen when born in this country. I’m not so sure if that status of being a citizen should extend some special consideration to the mother (or father) if they are illegal.

That’s why we need immigration reform, and I wish all involved would do something about it. We know all the problems that exist with illegal immigration, we should be able to write out some set in stone laws that will act as a definitive guideline to these issues.

The big problem is we are not doing anything right now, and that opens the room up to nuts like Paul.

78 albusteve  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 4:11:13pm

re: #70 Rightwingconspirator

I agree. Everyone born here is an American forever.

fine…but enforce the law or scrub them off the books…this two faced approach to illegal immigration pisses of more people than just me

79 albusteve  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 4:12:05pm

re: #73 researchok

well said…you speak for me

80 ShaunP  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 4:12:30pm

re: #73 researchok

The anchor baby issue is a non issue:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]

The term “anchor baby” assumes that having a US citizen child confers immigration benefits on the parents and extended family. This is generally a false assumption, as immigration law does not allow a US citizen child to sponsor his parents until he or she turns 21. Once the child turns 18, immigration law also allows a US citizen child to sponsor his own siblings with a 15 to 23 year quota delay. Immigration law does not provide categories for any other relatives that would apply in this situation. In addition, if the parents are illegal immigrants, they are usually barred from immigration despite having a sponsor.[1][13]

In the public debate surrounding “anchor babies”, it is also frequently assumed that an “anchor baby” would be beneficial in deportation proceedings. Such benefits do not exist except in the very rare case of extreme and profound hardship on the child. Approximately 88,000 parents of US citizen children have been deported in the past ten years.[14] Federal appellate courts and the Supreme Court have upheld the refusal by the Immigration and Naturalization Service or Immigration and Customs Enforcement to stay the deportation of illegal immigrants merely on the grounds that they have U.S.-citizen, minor children.[15]

81 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 4:12:46pm

re: #75 ausador

Yeah! Just pitch that Josiah Franklin and his brood back to England.

Tru Puritans forever!

(Actually, Franklin made a really lousy Puritan, which is why he left Boston for Philadelphia.)

82 Bubblehead II  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 4:12:51pm

Lizards, I have been up and active since 0200 hrs this morning. In between various home/job responsibilities I have tried to keep up with what has been going on here. But to put it bluntly, this is one of the most racist things I have seen come from the so called libertarian/Republican convergence.

I can’t remember what Star Wars flick it was, but I do remember Princess Leia uttering the words, (I think) So this is how a Democracy dies. Sad.

And with that I wish you all a good night

83 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 4:13:42pm

re: #82 Bubblehead II


I think that was Padme.

84 windsagio  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 4:15:20pm

re: #80 ShaunP

Wait, so the whole thing is basically a huge myth?


only word I can think of in response is “lol”.

85 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 4:15:30pm

re: #77 Walter L. Newton

I’m fine with a child being considered a American citizen when born in this country. I’m not so sure if that status of being a citizen should extend some special consideration to the mother (or father) if they are illegal.

That’s why we need immigration reform, and I wish all involved would do something about it. We know all the problems that exist with illegal immigration, we should be able to write out some set in stone laws that will act as a definitive guideline to these issues.

The big problem is we are not doing anything right now, and that opens the room up to nuts like Paul.


Agreed. We aren’t doing anything, which has led to the deplorable situation in which illegals cross in danger, endanger people as they come, are not able to call the cops when they need to, and so on, and so on…

86 albusteve  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 4:15:37pm

Why Isn’t the Obama Administration Suing ‘Sanctuary Cities’?
The lawsuit against SB1070 has nothing to do with keeping immigration policy in federal hands.

U.S. law prohibits public universities from providing in-state tuition rates for illegal immigrant students, yet ten states currently allow undocumented students to pay in-state tuition. Numerous “sanctuary cities” deliberately subvert federal immigration policy by preventing local law enforcement and other officials from inquiring as to the immigration status of residents. Some have gone even further by providing undocumented immigrants with local forms of identification.

[Link: weeklystandard.com…]

87 Nimed  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 4:15:41pm

re: #69 Bagua

Taking a swipe at me? What is your point?

It was a fucking joke, and you yourself joked with the expression before! Geesh… you need to relax, dude. The world is not out to get you.

88 Targetpractice  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 4:15:45pm

re: #82 Bubblehead II

Lizards, I have been up and active since 0200 hrs this morning. In between various home/job responsibilities I have tried to keep up with what has been going on here. But to put it bluntly, this is one of the most racist things I have seen come from the so called libertarian/Republican convergence.

I can’t remember what Star Wars flick it was, but I do remember Princess Leia uttering the words, (I think) So this is how a Democracy dies. Sad.

And with that I wish you all a good night

“So this is how liberty dies: With thunderous applause.”

- Padme Amidala (Skywalker), Episode Three

89 researchok  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 4:15:47pm

re: #80 ShaunP

The anchor baby issue is a non issue:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]

Perhaps- but there are plenty of examples of parents of children born here and now in school who are granted residence permits (a policy I agree with).

90 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 4:16:29pm

re: #87 Nimed

It was a fucking joke, and you yourself joked with the expression before! Geesh… you need to relax, dude. The world is not out to get you.

It’s out to get me… I know that.

91 windsagio  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 4:16:36pm

re: #89 researchok

heh, if you think its a good thing, why bring it up? :D

92 OldnGrumpy  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 4:16:48pm

re: #83 EmmmieG

I think that was Padme.

Indeed,it was when Palpatine was addressing the senate.

Gawd,I’m a nerd

93 marsl  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 4:17:21pm

Does lunacy passes from father to son? maybe it’s hereditary.

If you are a son of a lunatic, you have a bigger chance to be a lunatic.

Kim-Jong-Il is a living proof of this.

94 windsagio  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 4:17:29pm

re: #90 Walter L. Newton

You get that shipment of poisoned turquoise I sent ya yet?

95 Political Atheist  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 4:17:32pm

re: #76 McSpiff

Well I can only rely on this nation- What any other nation will do about that baby born here I have no idea. Again I agree, there is no good reason to leave people stateless.

96 windsagio  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 4:17:48pm

re: #94 windsagio

Oops damn, ignore the 6th word in that sentence.

97 McSpiff  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 4:17:50pm

re: #86 albusteve

I don’t think anyone will disagree with you that existing laws need to be enforced. I don’t think many will object to new laws being passed. But modifying something so near to the heart of what makes America not just another European Kingdom should not be done out of fear, anger, or desperation.

98 Political Atheist  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 4:19:28pm

re: #97 McSpiff

Speaking of existing laws, we already did a huge amnesty program. Under Ronald Reagan. How about we get back to established, settled law and just act within the law?

99 Bagua  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 4:21:39pm

re: #87 Nimed

It was a fucking joke, and you yourself joked with the expression before! Geesh… you need to relax, dude. The world is not out to get you.

You said something about bagua and Rand Paul in the thread I wasn’t in. I shouldn’t ask you what you meant or what the “joke” is? You need to relax.

100 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 4:21:52pm

re: #98 Rightwingconspirator

Speaking of existing laws, we already did a huge amnesty program. Under Ronald Reagan. How about we get back to established, settled law and just act within the law?

Because then we get big long newspaper stories about families torn apart when the illegals get sent back to the country of their citizenship and the legitimate citizens stay here. And politicans don’t like big long sad newspaper stories.

101 windsagio  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 4:22:26pm

re: #98 Rightwingconspirator

The problem is that the current law seems to be unsustainable. We can’t effectively keep illegal immigrants out, and we can’t seem to keep businesses from hiring them. Something major needs to change, because totally unenforcable laws might as well not be laws at all.

102 albusteve  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 4:24:10pm

re: #97 McSpiff

I don’t think anyone will disagree with you that existing laws need to be enforced. I don’t think many will object to new laws being passed. But modifying something so near to the heart of what makes America not just another European Kingdom should not be done out of fear, anger, or desperation.

I’m trying to be reasonable…it’s a point of view, no more no less…I don’t like the law…but I don’t like a lot of laws

103 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 4:24:25pm

re: #96 windsagio

Oops damn, ignore the 6th word in that sentence.

I ignored the whole sentence.

104 windsagio  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 4:24:54pm

re: #103 Walter L. Newton

*raps fingers together*

Most excellent!

105 albusteve  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 4:24:58pm

re: #103 Walter L. Newton

I ignored the whole sentence.

heh

106 albusteve  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 4:26:53pm

the elusive Path to Citizenship…that’s the money gambit right there

107 funky chicken  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 4:26:54pm

re: #5 Amory Blaine

Wow. What will the Constitutional originalists think?

Well, the 14th amendment wasn’t part of the original Constitution.

108 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 4:27:33pm

re: #107 funky chicken

Well, the 14th amendment wasn’t part of the original Constitution.


Neither is my right to vote.

109 Nimed  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 4:27:36pm

re: #99 Bagua

You said something about bagua and Rand Paul in the thread I wasn’t in. I shouldn’t ask you what you meant or what the “joke” is? You need to relax.

There’s this button called “show users”, you should try it sometime. Anyway, since you downdinged the comment and interpreted it as “taking a swipe at Bagua”, you seemed to have already decided what I meant.

110 albusteve  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 4:27:43pm

re: #107 funky chicken

Well, the 14th amendment wasn’t part of the original Constitution.

I say they would think it’s nonsense

111 McSpiff  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 4:28:41pm

re: #102 albusteve

I’m trying to be reasonable…it’s a point of view, no more no less…I don’t like the law…but I don’t like a lot of laws

I think its important to note that the constitution is something beyond laws. It the structure on which the entire system is built. Saying the constitution needs to be changed means you don’t believe that an effective immigration reform law would be legal in the current system. Not that you think there isn’t the political will for it, or that the GOP or Dems won’t support it. But that the law itself would go against the foundation of the American legal system. That’s pretty fundamental, and I’m not convinced that’s the case.

Its fine if you think that, but I’d really encourage everyone to think about that means.

112 HoosierHoops  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 4:30:15pm

Programming Note.. The NBA draft starts in one minute…

113 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 4:30:54pm

Going to talk a walk in the meadow… BBL…

114 albusteve  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 4:30:58pm

re: #111 McSpiff

I think its important to note that the constitution is something beyond laws. It the structure on which the entire system is built. Saying the constitution needs to be changed means you don’t believe that an effective immigration reform law would be legal in the current system. Not that you think there isn’t the political will for it, or that the GOP or Dems won’t support it. But that the law itself would go against the foundation of the American legal system. That’s pretty fundamental, and I’m not convinced that’s the case.

Its fine if you think that, but I’d really encourage everyone to think about that means.

I will concede the issue if all other immigration laws are enforced…they are not

115 ReamWorks SKG  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 4:33:55pm

re: #108 EmmmieG

Well, then maybe we should get rid of the 19th amendment, too!

116 funky chicken  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 4:36:39pm

re: #108 EmmmieG

Neither is my right to vote.

For all I know, Ron and Rand Paul don’t really like that either. Women’s suffrage wasn’t part of the original Constitution.

I do know that Ron and Rand Paul would likely support an amendment that would ban abortion.

So much for their being strict Constitutional originalists.

117 osprey34229  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 4:37:17pm

It is very hot down here in sw Fl and I was thinking
maybe there was something to this agw after all.
Then I saw the report about old glow pants Al Gore and
that confirmed it gw is man made! The prophet is hollow
and has no honor.However he is on fire.What say you warmers ??

118 Four More Tears  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 4:37:57pm

re: #112 HoosierHoops

Programming Note.. The NBA draft starts in one minute…

I THOUGHT WE WERE DONE WITH THIS BASKETBALL SHIT!!!

///

119 allegro  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 4:38:02pm

Now, this is funny in a defining kinda way…

Farmer who put up sign claiming Democrats are ‘party of parasites’ has taken $1 million in farm subsidies.

120 Bubblehead II  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 4:38:54pm

re: #83 EmmmieG

re: #88 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Mother of Princess Leia, Thank You.

re: #90 Walter L. Newton

It’s out to get me… I know that.

Just because you are paranoid, doesn’t mean they aren’t out to get you.

XXXX they are watching me XXXXXXX

The name tag on my locker at work……. I can post a pic if you want.

But in that vein.

Youtube Video
121 RogueOne  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 4:39:31pm

I know I’m repeating myself but no where has it been decided that the 14th amendment includes illegal aliens, we’re just working off of an assumption that it does. I got beat on a few mornings ago for suggesting we should open up our immigration policies so now let me get it from the other side, children born to those here illegally should not be considered citizens.

122 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 4:39:40pm

I don’t really see why any of this matters anymore, after all humans will be extinct within the next hundred years.

MSNBC Video

Or so says a 95 year old Australian scientist, damn we are doomed, all doomed! (Doomed!)

/I guess I have to shift my plan for living forever over to concentrating on some form of time travel…sigh, this is going to be a little harder than I thought originally ehh? :p

123 darthstar  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 4:39:47pm

re: #119 allegro

Now, this is funny in a defining kinda way…

Farmer who put up sign claiming Democrats are ‘party of parasites’ has taken $1 million in farm subsidies.

Trying to defend himself, Jungerman told the press, “That’s just my money coming back to me. I pay a lot in taxes. I’m not a parasite.”

What a fuckin’ parasite.
//

124 Nimed  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 4:40:11pm

re: #59 windsagio

Its the same thing as Antebellum ‘states rights’.

If you’re pissed at the government for telling you you can’t discriminate its easy to segue from that to a position that the government shouldn’t have anything to do with anything. Also has a greater appearance of acceptability.

NOTE: I am not saying that libertarians are automatically southern or racist. I’m just saying that going from a pro-segregation position lends itself to libertarianism once the Feds get involved.

Well said.

125 albusteve  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 4:41:11pm

re: #121 RogueOne

I know I’m repeating myself but no where has it been decided that the 14th amendment includes illegal aliens, we’re just working off of an assumption that it does. I got beat on a few mornings ago for suggesting we should open up our immigration policies so now let me get it from the other side, children born to those here illegally should not be considered citizens.

agreed…regardless of the hysterics otherwise

126 allegro  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 4:41:27pm

re: #123 darthstar

Trying to defend himself, Jungerman told the press, “That’s just my money coming back to me. I pay a lot in taxes. I’m not a parasite.”

I’ve paid a lot in taxes over the years, too. When’s mine coming back?

127 RadicalModerate  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 4:41:56pm

re: #110 albusteve


re: #107 funky chicken
Well, the 14th amendment wasn’t part of the original Constitution.

I say they would think it’s nonsense

The Constitution authors were wise, but weren’t perfect - unless you think that things like slavery, women’s sufferage, and poll taxes are all good ideas. Even they knew this was the case, because of the fact that they provided a mechanism to allow for changes that needed to be made.

128 darthstar  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 4:42:11pm

re: #121 RogueOne

I know I’m repeating myself but no where has it been decided that the 14th amendment includes illegal aliens, we’re just working off of an assumption that it does. I got beat on a few mornings ago for suggesting we should open up our immigration policies so now let me get it from the other side, children born to those here illegally should not be considered citizens.

If you pass through the birth canal and out the vagina and land in Texas, you’re an American by birth…even if your parents are not. If your parents are American and you pass through the birth canal and out the vagina and land in Juarez, you’re still American…and a Mexican.

To quote Frank Zappa, “Ain’t this boogie a mess?”

129 darthstar  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 4:42:47pm

re: #126 allegro

I’ve paid a lot in taxes over the years, too. When’s mine coming back?

I’d like him to show where he’s paid over 1,000,000 dollars in taxes.

130 HoosierHoops  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 4:43:03pm

re: #118 JasonA

I THOUGHT WE WERE DONE WITH THIS BASKETBALL SHIT!!!

///

LOL
Never!

131 albusteve  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 4:43:03pm

re: #126 allegro

I’ve paid a lot in taxes over the years, too. When’s mine coming back?

start a subsidized farm operation…big money…HUGE money in subsidies

132 Bagua  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 4:43:32pm

re: #109 Nimed

There’s this button called “show users”, you should try it sometime. Anyway, since you downdinged the comment and interpreted it as “taking a swipe at Bagua”, you seemed to have already decided what I meant.

Mentioning me and Rand Paul is not likely to get approval. If you meant something other than say it, that is why I asked.

133 Ojoe  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 4:44:50pm

Rand Paul’s proposal contravenes one of the most fundamental, and currently overlooked provisions of the US Constitution, namely its prohibition of titles of nobility; because to deny citizenship to anybody born here will create a hereditary class accruing unmerited advantages by accident of birth: those whose parents were citizens at some arbitrary point in time. Such would be nobility again rearing its ugly head. In fact the proposal smacks of that ugliness already.

I can hardly think of a more fundamental attack on what this country is all about.

134 RogueOne  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 4:45:11pm

re: #128 darthstar

If you pass through the birth canal and out the vagina and land in Texas, you’re an American by birth…even if your parents are not. If your parents are American and you pass through the birth canal and out the vagina and land in Juarez, you’re still American…and a Mexican.

To quote Frank Zappa, “Ain’t this boogie a mess?”

unless, of course, you’re in the country Illegally. I understand why illegals come here and I don’t blame them. If the situations were reversed I’d do the same damn thing but I still see a difference between immigrating here legally and those that don’t. Granting illegals the same benefits as those who waited in line for years feels completely unfair.

135 allegro  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 4:45:49pm

re: #131 albusteve

start a subsidized farm operation…big money…HUGE money in subsidies

I’m happy when my li’l bitty farm operation successfully subsidizes our dinner menus.

136 ReamWorks SKG  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 4:46:33pm

I’m amazed at how blatantly inconsistent some of these libertarian heroes are.

Ron Paul, for example, likes to spend taxpayer money supporting the private church known as the “Boy Scouts of America”. For example, most recently he voted yes on H.R. 5872 [Link: www.govtrack.us…] How the heck can a libertarian support this?

(IMHO, the Boy Scouts of America is pure evil. Not because of their membership policies—I defend the right of private groups to control their membership—but because they hide behind the cloak of “we’re a private group” when it’s convenient, but don’t hesitate to take taxpayer money and perqs. They even use taxpayer funded military bases to conduct their annual meetings and conduct bizarre rituals where they electrocute people in front of kids: [Link: www.washingtonpost.com…]

137 Nimed  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 4:46:50pm

Incidentally, here’s a 2008 post from a libertarian, Will Wilkinson, on Ron Paul:

The Shame of Ron Paul

It now seems quite clear to me that Ron Paul has for years used racism, among other vicious sentiments, to build financial and political support.

I’ve been pretty negative about Paul from the start, attracted only to his antiwar stance, since I find his old right brand of nationalist, populist anti-statism pretty repellent and at odds with the cause of human liberty. I didn’t know about the newsletters, but I’m not that surprised by them. I knew that he was close to Lew Rockwell, who many people speculate wrote many of Paul’s most shameful newsletters, and I knew Rockwell’s reputation as a racist and homophobe. And the syndrome of positions Paul has staked on immigration, sovereignty, and constitution idolatry is in my experience often correlated with racist sentiments of exactly the kind on display in the newsletters.
(…)
I had hoped Paul would do more good than harm for libertarianism, inspiring lots of college kids to get interested in the ideas of liberty. But now I’m pretty certain that he’s done a lot of harm, causing many people to associate libertarianism with racist cranks. I think it’s pretty important then to publicize the fact that there are genuinely liberal versions of libertarianism out there. The young people who got interested in libertarian ideas through Paul need to be able to find Cato, Reason, the IHS, and other places where one can learn about classical liberalism, which isn’t about keeping the Mexicans out, deploring the abolition of slavery, or hoarding gold.

138 ShaunP  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 4:47:12pm

re: #134 RogueOne

unless, of course, you’re in the country Illegally. I understand why illegals come here and I don’t blame them. If the situations were reversed I’d do the same damn thing but I still see a difference between immigrating here legally and those that don’t. Granting illegals the same benefits as those who waited in line for years feels completely unfair.

Again; having an anchor child doesn’t really grant you any additional rights:

re: #80 ShaunP

The anchor baby issue is a non issue:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]

139 darthstar  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 4:47:16pm

re: #134 RogueOne

unless, of course, you’re in the country Illegally. I understand why illegals come here and I don’t blame them. If the situations were reversed I’d do the same damn thing but I still see a difference between immigrating here legally and those that don’t. Granting illegals the same benefits as those who waited in line for years feels completely unfair.

If you’re a fetus you don’t exactly have a lot of control over the situation.

140 researchok  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 4:48:14pm

re: #136 reuven

I’m amazed at how blatantly inconsistent some of these libertarian heroes are.

Ron Paul, for example, likes to spend taxpayer money supporting the private church known as the “Boy Scouts of America”. For example, most recently he voted yes on H.R. 5872 [Link: www.govtrack.us…] How the heck can a libertarian support this?

(IMHO, the Boy Scouts of America is pure evil. Not because of their membership policies—I defend the right of private groups to control their membership—but because they hide behind the cloak of “we’re a private group” when it’s convenient, but don’t hesitate to take taxpayer money and perqs. They even use taxpayer funded military bases to conduct their annual meetings and conduct bizarre rituals where they electrocute people in front of kids: [Link: www.washingtonpost.com…]

Yeah, the Boy Scouts are undermining the nation.

141 darthstar  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 4:48:17pm

re: #134 RogueOne

I get pissed if I have to stand in a line for more than 15 minutes.

142 RogueOne  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 4:48:51pm

re: #133 Ojoe

Rand Paul’s proposal contravenes one of the most fundamental, and currently overlooked provisions of the US Constitution, namely its prohibition of titles of nobility; because to deny citizenship to anybody born here will create a hereditary class accruing unmerited advantages by accident of birth: those whose parents were citizens at some arbitrary point in time. Such would be nobility again rearing its ugly head. In fact the proposal smacks of that ugliness already.

I can hardly think of a more fundamental attack on what this country is all about.

I disagree. I place a very high value on my citizenship. My birthright was paid for by generations of sacrifice by my family and by my own willingness to volunteer in service. Giving something that precious away to someone who isn’t here legally is wrong. If they want to be citizens, and I don’t blame them, then there is a process and a price to pay.

143 McSpiff  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 4:49:19pm

re: #114 albusteve

I will concede the issue if all other immigration laws are enforced…they are not

Fair enough

re: #125 albusteve

agreed…regardless of the hysterics otherwise

Yes, I am operating under the impression that the 14th applies to children of illegal immigrants. All bets are off otherwise.

Anyways, I gotta run. Enjoy y’all.

144 Ojoe  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 4:49:30pm

re: #136 reuven

It’s not a church.

145 wrenchwench  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 4:49:58pm

re: #121 RogueOne

I know I’m repeating myself but no where has it been decided that the 14th amendment includes illegal aliens, we’re just working off of an assumption that it does. I got beat on a few mornings ago for suggesting we should open up our immigration policies so now let me get it from the other side, children born to those here illegally should not be considered citizens.

I didn’t beat on you before, so I guess I have to do it now.

*smack*

Any person born here is a citizen, and that’s fine by me.

146 funky chicken  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 4:50:33pm

re: #110 albusteve

I say they would think it’s nonsense

We don’t really know, of course. At the time the Constitution was written, most of the US Southwest belonged to Mexico, and was considered crap desert land that nobody would really want anyway. They certainly wouldn’t have ever imagined that we would have pretty large numbers of impoverished women crossing the border into the US to give birth at expensive American hospitals with no means or intention of paying for their visits with doctors or nurses, etc.

147 Ojoe  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 4:51:06pm

re: #142 RogueOne

If they want to be citizens, and I don’t blame them, then there is a process and a price to pay.

If you are born here you are a citizen.

We are all in this together, and we work for the common good here.

148 Bubblehead II  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 4:51:21pm

re: #134 RogueOne

unless, of course, you’re in the country Illegally. I understand why illegals come here and I don’t blame them. If the situations were reversed I’d do the same damn thing but I still see a difference between immigrating here legally and those that don’t. Granting illegals the same benefits as those who waited in line for years feels completely unfair.

So you would deny Constitutional protection to a new born child, born in this country just because (s)he parents were in country illegally?

149 albusteve  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 4:51:32pm

re: #134 RogueOne

unless, of course, you’re in the country Illegally. I understand why illegals come here and I don’t blame them. If the situations were reversed I’d do the same damn thing but I still see a difference between immigrating here legally and those that don’t. Granting illegals the same benefits as those who waited in line for years feels completely unfair.


Mexico as a long bloody history concerning it’s illegals, reaching a peak during the El Salvadorian, Honduran, Guatemalan problems…indigenous people disappeared by the thousands…Mexicans are not nice people when it come to immigrants….total hypocricy

150 ReamWorks SKG  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 4:51:35pm

re: #144 Ojoe

They have a liturgy, weekly services, and a religious test for membership. Smells like a Church to me. And they have gone before the SCOTUS to prove that they’re a private organization. I agree with them on that. So why do they get special handling from the government that, say, my local Chabad house doesn’t get?

151 albusteve  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 4:52:16pm

re: #139 darthstar

If you’re a fetus you don’t exactly have a lot of control over the situation.

too bad, the parents should have thought it through

152 ShaunP  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 4:52:31pm

re: #149 albusteve

Mexico as a long bloody history concerning it’s illegals, reaching a peak during the El Salvadorian, Honduran, Guatemalan problems…indigenous people disappeared by the thousands…Mexicans are not nice people when it come to immigrants…total hypocricy

Who gives a fuck. This doesn’t only affect mexicans…

153 RogueOne  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 4:52:38pm

re: #147 Ojoe

If you are born here you are a citizen.

We are all in this together, and we work for the common good here.

I agree with that sentiment but IMVeryHO I think U.S. citizenship is special. It should be worked for not just given away.

Kind of like your virginity.//

154 wrenchwench  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 4:52:59pm

re: #146 funky chicken

We don’t really know, of course. At the time the Constitution was written, most of the US Southwest belonged to Mexico Spain, and was considered crap desert land that nobody would really want anyway too far from the capital to govern effectively. They certainly wouldn’t have ever imagined that we would have pretty large numbers of impoverished women crossing the border into the US to give birth at expensive American hospitals with no means or intention of paying for their visits with doctors or nurses, etc.

FTFY.

155 ShaunP  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 4:53:05pm

re: #153 RogueOne

I agree with that sentiment but IMVeryHO I think U.S. citizenship is special. It should be worked for not just given away.

Kind of like your virginity.//

Everyone gets virginity at birth…

156 RogueOne  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 4:53:10pm

re: #148 Bubblehead II

So you would deny Constitutional protection to a new born child, born in this country just because (s)he parents were in country illegally?

Not constitutional protection but definitely citizenship.

157 researchok  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 4:53:13pm

re: #136 reuven

I’m amazed at how blatantly inconsistent some of these libertarian heroes are.

Ron Paul, for example, likes to spend taxpayer money supporting the private church known as the “Boy Scouts of America”. For example, most recently he voted yes on H.R. 5872 [Link: www.govtrack.us…] How the heck can a libertarian support this?

(IMHO, the Boy Scouts of America is pure evil. Not because of their membership policies—I defend the right of private groups to control their membership—but because they hide behind the cloak of “we’re a private group” when it’s convenient, but don’t hesitate to take taxpayer money and perqs. They even use taxpayer funded military bases to conduct their annual meetings and conduct bizarre rituals where they electrocute people in front of kids: [Link: www.washingtonpost.com…]

Do you want to judge the entire Boy Scout organization, membership and history because of some bad actors?

Are you sure you want to tar and feather a group that has contributed mightily to the character of this nation? Are you sure you want to go there? Think about it.

158 funky chicken  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 4:53:16pm

re: #119 allegro

Now, this is funny in a defining kinda way…

Farmer who put up sign claiming Democrats are ‘party of parasites’ has taken $1 million in farm subsidies.

I wonder how many illegal aliens this farmer has employed so he wouldn’t have to contribute to worker’s comp or social security tax funds or worry about silly things like paying minimum wage or complying with providing safe working conditions or paying overtime or, well, providing health insurance to full time employees, etc?

159 Four More Tears  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 4:53:28pm

re: #151 albusteve

too bad, the parents should have thought it through

Damn, Steve…

160 albusteve  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 4:54:37pm

re: #148 Bubblehead II

So you would deny Constitutional protection to a new born child, born in this country just because (s)he parents were in country illegally?

of course not…we are not talking protection, rather citizenship

161 Ojoe  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 4:55:23pm

re: #153 RogueOne

It should be worked for not just given away.

Who would decide? There’s be gatekeepers. There goes freedom.

If you are born here you get it. Then it is up to you to contribute.

I would not have it any other way.

Other ways are weaker.

162 ReamWorks SKG  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 4:55:23pm

re: #157 researchok

I’m just saying they shouldn’t get special handling, money, or benefits from the Government that other organizations—that may or may not provide a public benefit—get.

And I can’t understand why a “libertarian” of all people would want to spend taxpayer money on a private group.

163 Bubblehead II  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 4:55:26pm

re: #156 RogueOne

Not constitutional protection but definitely citizenship.

Well if you are are citizen of the U.S., don’t you also have Constitution right?

164 Ojoe  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 4:55:47pm

re: #161 Ojoe

there’d

PIMF

165 Amory Blaine  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 4:56:02pm

re: #160 albusteve

of course not…we are not talking protection, rather citizenship

Doesn’t the constitution cover all people here not just “citizens”?

166 researchok  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 4:56:21pm

re: #150 reuven

They have a liturgy, weekly services, and a religious test for membership. Smells like a Church to me. And they have gone before the SCOTUS to prove that they’re a private organization. I agree with them on that. So why do they get special handling from the government that, say, my local Chabad house doesn’t get?

There are Christian troops, Jewish troops and Muslim troops. There are atheist troop,s too,

They get special treatment (not really) because they are inclusive.

There are no Jewish services at the Catholic Church and there are no Presbyterian services at your local Chabad house.

167 albusteve  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 4:56:45pm

re: #152 ShaunP

Who gives a fuck. This doesn’t only affect mexicans…

it’s a contrast in idiocy…we owe Mexico nothing and their presidente can shut the fuck up about our immigration policies

168 darthstar  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 4:57:03pm

re: #155 ShaunP

Everyone gets virginity at birth…

But only the girls are expected to keep it.

169 austin_blue  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 4:58:17pm

Waiting for the hard religious right to claim that said child must be *conceived*, not born, in the US because that’s when citizenship begins. Voila!

Lots of European honeymooners who didn’t know they had a kid with dual citizenship, eh?

170 albusteve  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 4:58:58pm

re: #159 JasonA

Damn, Steve…

it’s a tough call…and people hate me for it, but that’s how it is…it’s not cool which is precisely why we need to address this stuff…I’m trying to stay above the grief and strife and stick to the politics…we are in deep shit

171 albusteve  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 4:59:35pm

re: #165 Amory Blaine

Doesn’t the constitution cover all people here not just “citizens”?

yes, even terrorists

172 HoosierHoops  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 4:59:36pm

re: #151 albusteve

too bad, the parents should have thought it through

Really? too fucking bad?
I never met my birth parents.. I was adopted..
Too Bad Steve-o? I had no choice in my life..Neither does any baby.. They need not pay the price…
Born in the USA?
Fucking A right!
Born in the USA

173 funky chicken  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:01:00pm

re: #154 wrenchwench

OK, it was Spain’s colony. But really, nobody wanted that land and it wasn’t of interest to much of anybody. Well, maybe to the few Native Americans who were eking out an existence there, I guess.

174 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:01:06pm

Well there’s a rose in a fisted glove;
And the eagle flies with the dove;
And if you can’t be with the one you love,
Honey, love the one you’re with

-Steven Stills

175 researchok  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:01:18pm

re: #162 reuven

I’m just saying they shouldn’t get special handling, money, or benefits from the Government that other organizations—that may or may not provide a public benefit—get.

And I can’t understand why a “libertarian” of all people would want to spend taxpayer money on a private group.

Mt Sinai Hospital. St Mary’s, et al, get federal money because they are open to all.

To follow your line of reasoning, no religious institution should get state or federal aid- ever. No religious school school lunch programs, no shelters for the handicapped run by religious charities, etc, etc.

176 Ojoe  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:01:43pm

re: #172 HoosierHoops

In a way, we adopt, as a nation, all babies born here.

Let’s live up to that as best we can !

177 researchok  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:02:22pm

re: #165 Amory Blaine

Doesn’t the constitution cover all people here not just “citizens”?

Yes- but it is the benefits/entitlements that are at issue.

178 Bubblehead II  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:02:35pm

Lizards, I have got to go. I hate it when a thread starts getting interesting, but I need to go to bed. Got an 2300 wake up with a 0200 start time in the morning. Those who wish to rebut my assertions can do so in the LNDT when I log in tomorrow. Till then, I wish you a good night

179 allegro  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:03:27pm

re: #175 researchok

St Mary’s, et al, get federal money because they are open to all.

Small point of correction… Catholic hospitals may be open to all but some can’t get life-saving and legal medical procedures and drugs due to “conscience.” Still the fed funds arrive.

180 Four More Tears  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:03:50pm

re: #170 albusteve

it’s a tough call…and people hate me for it, but that’s how it is…it’s not cool which is precisely why we need to address this stuff…I’m trying to stay above the grief and strife and stick to the politics…we are in deep shit

I can’t hate you for it. There are other respectable nations that have put limits on jus soli. I just happen to strongly disagree with it for America.

181 HoosierHoops  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:04:12pm

re: #176 Ojoe

In a way, we adopt, as a nation, all babies born here.

Let’s live up to that as best we can !

It’s what makes us the greatest nation in History…You don’t get that title for nothing…America has a big heart…

183 RogueOne  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:05:24pm

Now I have a serious question. I ordered a new droid incredible and the wait time is over 3 weeks. It won’t be shipping until the 16th, a day after the Droid X is released. Should I cancel my order and get the X instead?

184 researchok  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:05:25pm

re: #179 allegro

Small point of correction… Catholic hospitals may be open to all but some can’t get life-saving and legal medical procedures and drugs due to “conscience.” Still the fed funds arrive.

True, but in those cases, patients can be transferred (paid for by the Catholic Hospital) to other facilities.

You can’t get a ham sandwich at Mt Sinai or milk with with your roast beef, either.

185 Four More Tears  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:05:54pm

re: #182 Gus 802

PSA Break: If you have a moment, please down ding this dweeb.

Ah, 2004.

186 Gus  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:06:11pm

re: #185 JasonA

Ah, 2004.

Surprise, surprise! /

187 allegro  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:06:12pm

re: #184 researchok

You can’t get a ham sandwich at Mt Sinai or milk with with your roast beef, either.

Really? I did not know that.

188 Four More Tears  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:06:50pm

re: #184 researchok

True, but in those cases, patients can be transferred (paid for by the Catholic Hospital) to other facilities.

You can’t get a ham sandwich at Mt Sinai or milk with with your roast beef, either.

No bacon?

9_9

189 darthstar  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:07:18pm

re: #182 Gus 802

PSA Break: If you have a moment, please down ding this dweeb.

Downdiggity-dingity-done.

190 ShaunP  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:07:36pm

re: #184 researchok

You can’t get a ham sandwich at Mt Sinai or milk with with your roast beef, either.

No turkey & swiss?

191 researchok  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:07:44pm

re: #187 allegro

Really? I did not know that.

Yup. Them’s the rules.

For example, they can refuse to perform a necessary abortion but if they do, they have to transfer you to a facility that will tend to your medical needs.

192 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:08:05pm

OT: Glenn Beck shows on his chalkboard how George Soros and President Obama are working together to make Soros rich by exploiting the oil spill in the Gulf with Obama’s deep water drilling moratorium.

[Link: mediamatters.org…]

/why is it that people watch him again? I can barely stand him for five minutes at a time…

193 Ojoe  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:08:07pm

re: #181 HoosierHoops

Exactly.

Every time I see a baby, a child, I want the best for it.

We’re in this together.

Every time someone helps you, you are getting the benefit of the labor of those who raised that child.

We all receive these benefits all the time.

Who raises the food? etc etc. Former babies and children, that’s who.

194 researchok  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:08:20pm

re: #190 ShaunP

No turkey & swiss?

Not even a Reuben!

How cold is that?

195 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:08:41pm

Boyfriend update… Hospital is giving him completely free care.

He was un-insured.

As you were.

196 darthstar  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:08:49pm

re: #194 researchok

Not even a Reuben!

How cold is that?

I thought a Reuben was a hot sandwich.

197 researchok  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:09:24pm

re: #188 JasonA

No bacon?

9_9

Not even Canadian bacon- and who doesn’t like Canadians??

198 Amory Blaine  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:09:37pm

Why can’t we just raise the quota to fit our needs?

199 Charles Johnson  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:09:38pm

That’s two asshole trolls so far today. Undoubtedly from Geller’s “Chuckie” post.

200 Nimed  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:09:39pm

re: #180 JasonA

I can’t hate you for it. There are other respectable nations that have put limits on jus soli. I just happen to strongly disagree with it for America.

American exceptionalism - jus soli and the 1st Amendment. :)

201 austin_blue  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:09:39pm

re: #182 Gus 802

PSA Break: If you have a moment, please down ding this dweeb.

Blocked. Stinky got there first.

202 Four More Tears  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:09:41pm

re: #192 ausador

OT: Glenn Beck shows on his chalkboard how George Soros and President Obama are working together to make Soros rich by exploiting the oil spill in the Gulf with Obama’s deep water drilling moratorium.

[Link: mediamatters.org…]

/why is it that people watch him again? I can barely stand him for five minutes at a time…

I.. I thought you were joking at first.

203 Gus  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:09:43pm

re: #195 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Boyfriend update… Hospital is giving him completely free care.

He was un-insured.

As you were.

Nice!

204 darthstar  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:09:46pm

re: #195 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Boyfriend update… Hospital is giving him completely free care.

He was un-insured.

As you were.

Great news! But I still want to deport his baby.
/

205 robdouth  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:09:59pm

Although I think Paul’s idea here is assinine, I have to quibble with a minor point. It’s not accurate to say he doesn’t support the rights/citizenship portion of the constitution because he supports this one ill-conceived amendment. There are a lot of people who are less crazy who have supported the idea of not giving automatic citizenship to children born of non-citizens. The idea is of course to cut down on the anchor baby problem in the border states, but I don’t think this is the best way to go about it.

206 funky chicken  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:10:12pm

re: #121 RogueOne

I know I’m repeating myself but no where has it been decided that the 14th amendment includes illegal aliens, we’re just working off of an assumption that it does. I got beat on a few mornings ago for suggesting we should open up our immigration policies so now let me get it from the other side, children born to those here illegally should not be considered citizens.

It’s an arguable point…but it would be awfully difficult to declare a newborn a criminal and thus unworthy of citizenship. The Swiss model works for them because they don’t have such a large population, and they don’t have thousands upon thousands of births to illegal immigrants.

Of course, decent border control would solve the entire problem and end the argument.

Birthright citizenship is an interesting issue that is worthy of discussion. It’s very difficult to discuss it when you have racist cranks like Ron Paul and Lew Rockwell in the mix.

207 Four More Tears  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:10:40pm

re: #196 darthstar

I thought a Reuben was a hot sandwich.

Yeah. With corned beef (or pastrami) and swiss.

mmmm

208 allegro  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:10:43pm

re: #191 researchok

For example, they can refuse to perform a necessary abortion but if they do, they have to transfer you to a facility that will tend to your medical needs.

Oh, I meant the milk and roast beef thing.

209 Charles Johnson  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:11:19pm

This one’s last comment was almost four years ago, and it was just lovely.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

210 albusteve  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:11:20pm

re: #196 darthstar

I thought a Reuben was a hot sandwich.

indeed…smothered and toasted

211 darthstar  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:11:21pm

Gin!

212 wrenchwench  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:11:54pm

re: #169 austin_blue

Waiting for the hard religious right to claim that said child must be *conceived*, not born, in the US because that’s when citizenship begins. Voila!

Lots of European honeymooners who didn’t know they had a kid with dual citizenship, eh?

One of my grandmothers was conceived in West Virginia, then born in what is now Slovenia, and came through Ellis Island a short time later.

213 Amory Blaine  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:12:08pm

re: #207 JasonA

Yeah. With corned beef (or pastrami) and swiss.

mmm

Don’t forget the 1000 island and kraut :p

214 albusteve  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:12:18pm

re: #200 Nimed

American exceptionalism - jus soli and the 1st Amendment. :)

I’ll remember the exceptionalism….we are

215 zoidberg  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:12:32pm

I suppose, as an Australian, Rand’s stance on this doesn’t offend me so much; in Australia, just because you’re born here, doesn’t mean you get citizenship. By the same token, another law you guys have that I find strange is that only American born citizens can be president. Yesterday the Labor party here elected a new Prime Minister - Julia Gillard, who was born in Wales. I’m sure that both those laws have historical relevance though…

216 darthstar  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:12:47pm

re: #213 Amory Blaine

Don’t forget the 1000 island and kraut :p

GODWIN!!! Oh, wrong kind of kraut…never mind.
/

217 wrenchwench  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:13:03pm

re: #209 Charles

OMG!

Can Stinky ban him again? Once isn’t enough for some.

218 researchok  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:13:03pm

re: #196 darthstar

I thought a Reuben was a hot sandwich.

I was testing you. I wanted to make sure you were paying attention.

I knew food would work.

219 RadicalModerate  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:13:08pm

re: #140 researchok

Yeah, the Boy Scouts are undermining the nation.

Hey, don’t underestimate them, they can be formidable if they’re controlled by the Fred Birch Society via the Fiendish Fluoridators, and especially if Orbital Mind Control Lasers come into play.

(Obscure?)
/

220 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:13:11pm

re: #209 Charles

How droll.

221 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:13:28pm

re: #193 Ojoe

Exactly.

Every time I see a baby, a child, I want the best for it.

We’re in this together.

Every time someone helps you, you are getting the benefit of the labor of those who raised that child.

We all receive these benefits all the time.

Who raises the food? etc etc. Former babies and children, that’s who.

A grandchild of mine is an anchor baby……. the jury is out if this will ultimately benefit him.

222 albusteve  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:13:29pm

re: #215 zoidberg

I suppose, as an Australian, Rand’s stance on this doesn’t offend me so much; in Australia, just because you’re born here, doesn’t mean you get citizenship. By the same token, another law you guys have that I find strange is that only American born citizens can be president. Yesterday the Labor party here elected a new Prime Minister - Julia Gillard, who was born in Wales. I’m sure that both those laws have historical relevance though…

exceptionalism

223 robdouth  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:13:31pm

re: #209 Charles

That quote almost sounds like a joke. Like an over the top rift. What was the context of the thread around the comment?

224 austin_blue  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:13:39pm

re: #209 Charles

This one’s last comment was almost four years ago, and it was just lovely.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

Wow. Pretty hardcore hater, there…

225 darthstar  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:13:40pm

re: #218 researchok

I was testing you. I wanted to make sure you were paying attention.

I knew food would work.

You’ve only succeeded in making me hungry. And all I have in my hand is a glass of gin.

226 Ojoe  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:13:44pm

re: #209 Charles

It must be fun to snoop the archives.

227 researchok  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:14:17pm

re: #219 RadicalModerate

Hey, don’t underestimate them, they can be formidable if they’re controlled by the Fred Birch Society via the Fiendish Fluoridators, and especially if Orbital Mind Control Lasers come into play.

(Obscure?)
/

Bugger off. I have a flouride badge. Don’t make me go off on you.

//

228 wrenchwench  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:14:35pm

re: #215 zoidberg

I suppose, as an Australian, Rand’s stance on this doesn’t offend me so much; in Australia, just because you’re born here, doesn’t mean you get citizenship. By the same token, another law you guys have that I find strange is that only American born citizens can be president. Yesterday the Labor party here elected a new Prime Minister - Julia Gillard, who was born in Wales. I’m sure that both those laws have historical relevance though…

I heard she’s an atheist!!1! That’s pretty historical.

229 Charles Johnson  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:14:43pm

And by the way, I remember that thread, because it was one of the turning points for me when I realized there were way too many lunatics hanging around my website.

230 darthstar  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:14:51pm

re: #226 Ojoe

It must be fun to snoop the archives.

Archives? Charles keeps every thread alive in a separate window on his 16’ LCD screen.

231 researchok  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:14:58pm

re: #225 darthstar

You’ve only succeeded in making me hungry. And all I have in my hand is a glass of gin.

Gin? GIN???

Excellent.

232 Ojoe  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:15:00pm

re: #221 Mr Pancakes

Well I hope it does benefit him, and he us.

233 zoidberg  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:15:27pm

re: #228 wrenchwench

Well, she our first female PM - that’s pretty historical. She’s a redhead too… with a really annoying voice.

234 robdouth  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:15:37pm

re: #215 zoidberg

No they don’t really have any historical significance per se, other than at the time, we were reliant on immigrants for the country to grow into the west. But any look at this now for security reasons probably wouldn’t be welcomed. Especially if it comes from someone who historically makes assinine statements.

235 darthstar  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:15:39pm

re: #229 Charles

And by the way, I remember that thread, because it was one of the turning points for me when I realized there were way too many lunatics hanging around my website.

And now you’ve got people like me here…sorry about that.

236 researchok  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:15:42pm

re: #230 darthstar

Archives? Charles keeps every thread alive in a separate window on his 16’ LCD screen.

IPad, I hear.

237 darthstar  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:16:27pm

re: #236 researchok

IPad, I hear.

He’s got a 16 foot iPad? That thing’s probably super-absorbant.

238 zoidberg  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:16:31pm

re: #234 robdouth

“No they don’t really have any historical significance per se, other than at the time, we were reliant on immigrants for the country to grow into the west.”

Doesn’t that make it historically significant?

239 austin_blue  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:16:41pm

re: #212 wrenchwench

One of my grandmothers was conceived in West Virginia, then born in what is now Slovenia, and came through Ellis Island a short time later.

The Slovenes were honeymooning in West Virginia!?!?

(insert joke here!!)

240 windsagio  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:17:24pm

re: #237 darthstar

Actually he bought the setup from Neuromancer.

You should see how it represents the various people on here!

241 Targetpractice  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:18:11pm

re: #230 darthstar

Archives? Charles keeps every thread alive in a separate window on his 16’ LCD screen.

Bah, you think too small, mammal. The Lizard Master has an entire staff of dedicated minions in his underground lair, dedicated to scouting out and eradicating trolls. And another staff whose job it is then to harvest the gamey buttocks.

/

242 robdouth  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:18:39pm

re: #238 zoidberg

I thought by historical significance you meant something like an event, like how sometimes a specific event changes law and the course of a country, like the Magna Carta, or the assissination of Archduke Ferdinand.

I consider that more cultural or economic significance, or circumstancial significance. I guess since it’s in the past, it’s by definition historical significance?

243 ShaunP  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:19:11pm

re: #229 Charles

And by the way, I remember that thread, because it was one of the turning points for me when I realized there were way too many lunatics hanging around my website.

Shame on me for seeing what you meant and reading some of that thread. Holy crap…

244 darthstar  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:19:20pm

re: #240 windsagio

Actually he bought the setup from Neuromancer.

You should see how it represents the various people on here!

I hope it makes me look like this.

245 darthstar  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:20:00pm

re: #241 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Bah, you think too small, mammal. The Lizard Master has an entire staff of dedicated minions in his underground lair, dedicated to scouting out and eradicating trolls. And another staff whose job it is then to harvest the gamey buttocks.

/

I’m more of a breast man myself.

246 funky chicken  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:20:04pm

re: #212 wrenchwench

One of my grandmothers was conceived in West Virginia, then born in what is now Slovenia, and came through Ellis Island a short time later.

So you’re the one who paid off that Malian ref? :-)

247 austin_blue  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:20:27pm

re: #241 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Bah, you think too small, mammal. The Lizard Master has an entire staff of dedicated minions in his underground lair, dedicated to scouting out and eradicating trolls. And another staff whose job it is then to harvest the gamey buttocks.

/

And they are getting damn efficient. No time to play with them first. How are we supposed to get the charcoal ready before the body cools?

(sigh)

248 darthstar  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:20:33pm

re: #246 funky chicken

So you’re the one who paid off that Malian ref? :-)

We still won the group.

249 zoidberg  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:21:03pm

re: #242 robdouth

Well, i was thinking more along the lines of it being relevant to the time, but doesn’t really make much sense these days. Like the “president must be born in the US” law - what purpose could that serve? I’m sure it served some purpose back in the day, but i’m not sure how relevant it is today.

250 Amory Blaine  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:21:30pm

re: #209 Charles

This one’s last comment was almost four years ago, and it was just lovely.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

I wipe my ass with the Necronomicon

251 wrenchwench  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:21:41pm

re: #239 austin_blue

The Slovenes were honeymooning in West Virginia!?!?

(insert joke here!!)

Actually, my great grandpa had moved to the US first, and I guess great grandma came over for a conjugal visit, but wanted to have the baby back on the old farm. When she came back, it was to stay.

252 austin_blue  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:22:56pm

re: #250 Amory Blaine

I wipe my ass with the Necronomicon

You’d do that to a Neal Stephenson novel? Sacrilege!

253 Decatur Deb  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:23:12pm

re: #239 austin_blue

The Slovenes were honeymooning in West Virginia!?!?

(insert joke here!!)

That’s what we Pittsburghers mean when we say “walking the Appallacian Trail”.

254 HoosierHoops  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:24:24pm

re: #193 Ojoe

Exactly.

Every time I see a baby, a child, I want the best for it.

We’re in this together.

Every time someone helps you, you are getting the benefit of the labor of those who raised that child.

We all receive these benefits all the time.

Who raises the food? etc etc. Former babies and children, that’s who.

Love ya man..Hope biz gets better..
This subject is very dear to my heart..You know I really don’t give a shit about most subjects..It’s what ever.. Politics? Fine…
I love exchanging messages with lizards here..Great Community…
There is a great pain in my life about being given away as a baby.. I’m told my mom was a field worker in Firebaugh, Ca. when she was 16 and got preggie…I wasn’t adopted until I was 12 years old…
Back in the birther days I kept telling Charles..You want to see the most fucked up Birth Certificate in the world.. I make Obama look like Saint John..
( Please Hoopster stop sending me stuff..Sorry Charles)
In seriousness….I have been blessed with my own children.. I want them to always have a dad that loves them with their whole heart..
I will always be there for you…Damn…I should have skipped this subject..The only one that can bring tears to my eyes..
I’m sorry…The only thing that has hurt me

255 Nimed  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:24:28pm

re: #252 austin_blue

You’d do that to a Neal Stephenson novel? Sacrilege!

Hey, that’s Cryptonomicon… and don’t pretend that was a joke. :p

256 Charles Johnson  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:25:15pm

Pamela Geller, by the way, went back and EDITED the post I wrote about earlier, to remove that sickening hate spew against Muslims.

257 austin_blue  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:25:20pm

re: #248 darthstar

We still won the group.

And we get to play Ghana on Saturday instead of Germany. Who would have thought that the French, Italians, and either Germany or England would all be out by the first game of the knockout round?

258 robdouth  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:25:48pm

re: #249 zoidberg

Probably has it’s roots in the alient and sedition acts around the revolutionary times. I think as a young country where allegiances were still strong with great britain, they didn’t want a british born President who may be loyal to the king perhaps. I agree it’s outlived it’s usefulness, and living on the border, there should be at least some legitimate discussion of the pros and cons of granting citizenship to children born of non-citizens. We’re one of the only countries that has that in it’s law, and possibly if it weren’t Rand Paul, we could actually discuss the merits of such an amendment, but with a messenger that crazy, he and his motives are the story and not the merit of the amendment.

259 wrenchwench  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:26:19pm

re: #256 Charles

Pamela Geller, by the way, went back and EDITED the post I wrote about earlier, to remove that sickening hate spew against Muslims.

Now it’s Guilt by Google Cache.

260 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:26:22pm

re: #257 austin_blue

And we get to play Ghana on Saturday instead of Germany. Who would have thought that the French, Italians, and either Germany or England would all be out by the first game of the knockout round?

And a whole continent is rooting against us…

261 CuriousLurker  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:26:33pm

re: #209 Charles

This one’s last comment was almost four years ago, and it was just lovely.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

Y’know that kind of stuff always makes makes me wonder what sort of family these people were raised in. Seriously. Did this person’s mother teach him ANY social skills or did she just stick him in the barn and leave it up to livestock?

262 researchok  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:26:53pm

re: #256 Charles

Pamela Geller, by the way, went back and EDITED the post I wrote about earlier, to remove that sickening hate spew against Muslims.

She has it in for you, big time. You are one of the few men she can’t manipulate.

263 austin_blue  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:26:54pm

re: #251 wrenchwench

Actually, my great grandpa had moved to the US first, and I guess great grandma came over for a conjugal visit, but wanted to have the baby back on the old farm. When she came back, it was to stay.

Figured it was something like that. I assume great gramps was a coal miner?

264 Charles Johnson  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:26:55pm

Correction: she didn’t edit it. She just wrote another one that looks so much like it that I confused it with the first one.

265 Varek Raith  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:27:23pm

re: #243 ShaunP

Shame on me for seeing what you meant and reading some of that thread. Holy crap…

AHHH, Fjordman!
Spits.

266 researchok  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:27:33pm

re: #259 wrenchwench

Now it’s Guilt by Google Cache.

3 point swish.

267 SpaceJesus  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:27:34pm

re: #136 reuven


you’re out of your fucking mind

268 windsagio  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:27:58pm

re: #261 CuriousLurker

You know how it is, if anything that kind of emotion has faded surprisingly well over the last few years. People love to hold onto outrage and hate, and its taken us (as a nation) nearly a decade to become rational again after 9/11.

269 Ojoe  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:28:55pm

re: #254 HoosierHoops

Go Hoops!

Life, it is good !

Biz is a bit better

I always like your posts

Now I will quit too…

Go help with dinner & the kids

Enough with this emotional stuff for now I know what you mean

God Bless

270 funky chicken  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:30:02pm

re: #257 austin_blue

it’s gonna be a really tough game…

271 darthstar  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:30:07pm

re: #257 austin_blue

And we get to play Ghana on Saturday instead of Germany. Who would have thought that the French, Italians, and either Germany or England would all be out by the first game of the knockout round?

I’m looking forward to the Ghana game. Will only get to watch part of the England-Germany game Sunday, as my wife got me two tickets to see the RedSox lose to the Giants. I love that woman.

272 zoidberg  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:30:09pm

re: #258 robdouth

“and possibly if it weren’t Rand Paul, we could actually discuss the merits of such an amendment, but with a messenger that crazy, he and his motives are the story and not the merit of the amendment.”

Yeah kinda sucks that - and it makes it easy to lump whoever shares the same viewpoint with the likes of Rand Paul.

273 wrenchwench  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:30:24pm

re: #263 austin_blue

Figured it was something like that. I assume great gramps was a coal miner?

Exactly!

274 austin_blue  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:31:13pm

re: #260 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

And a whole continent is rooting against us…

Hmm…maybe. There’s not a lot of love lost between countries there. You want tribes? They got ‘em. That’s one reason there is so much conflict in that benighted continent. Country lines were drawn by Europeans, not by the indigines. Same as Iraq. Not a good way to do things.

275 Nimed  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:32:19pm

re: #256 Charles

Pamela Geller, by the way, went back and EDITED the post I wrote about earlier, to remove that sickening hate spew against Muslims.

Not a word about the editing in the post. How pathetic.

276 windsagio  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:32:30pm

re: #274 austin_blue

Its convenient if you intend to be running thing anyways tho’, they’re just bloody savages, wot?

277 Decatur Deb  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:32:32pm

re: #272 zoidberg

“and possibly if it weren’t Rand Paul, we could actually discuss the merits of such an amendment, but with a messenger that crazy, he and his motives are the story and not the merit of the amendment.”

Yeah kinda sucks that - and it makes it easy to lump whoever shares the same viewpoint with the likes of Rand Paul.

Yes—it’s a good thing the GOP has disavowed him and driven him into the wilderness.

278 Amory Blaine  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:32:36pm

re: #261 CuriousLurker

Y’know that kind of stuff always makes makes me wonder what sort of family these people were raised in. Seriously. Did this person’s mother teach him ANY social skills or did she just stick him in the barn and leave it up to livestock?

That’s offensive to livestock and barns!!!

279 ReamWorks SKG  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:33:09pm

George H.W. Bush once said that atheists shouldn’t have citizenship

[Link: www.robsherman.com…]

Rob Sherman is an “advocate” I don’t always agree with, but presuming he didn’t fake his documents from the Bush presidential library, GHWBush did, indeed, indicate this, though not in any official capacity as VP.

280 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:33:38pm

re: #254 HoosierHoops

*smooch*
Hiya Hoopster!

281 Nimed  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:33:38pm

re: #275 Nimed

Not a word about the editing in the post. How pathetic.

Ok, scratch that.

282 windsagio  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:34:01pm

re: #281 Nimed

hehe, gotta admit was waiting for you to get downthread >>

283 robdouth  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:34:24pm

re: #272 zoidberg

The problem with a lot of these kind of bills is that even those people are looking at it and truly think it would be good for the country to disincentivize pregnant women from potentially killing themselves to cross the desert just to have a baby in the states, risking their lives and the lives of their unborn baby in the process, can get lumped in with the undoubtedly more vocal supporters of a bill like this: racists, uber-nationalists. I was just discussing with our manager of transcription, who is hispanic, how it’s easy to see both sides in the AZ immigration debate, but that because of federal inaction and the inability of pushing through an comprehensive reform that addresses all problems, you’re going to see bills like AZ’s where they try to step up where the feds are failing.

284 robdouth  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:36:16pm

re: #277 Decatur Deb

I figure you’re being sarcastic, but it is sad that he’s not shunned. I think the problem is that 99% of the population doesn’t know the bad craziness, and in a world of soundbites, most people don’t know the egregious things so probably the GOP doesn’t think it will catch up with them in circles other than LGF and others that pay closer attention.

285 Varek Raith  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:37:38pm

re: #284 robdouth

I figure you’re being sarcastic, but it is sad that he’s not shunned. I think the problem is that 99% of the population doesn’t know the bad craziness, and in a world of soundbites, most people don’t know the egregious things so probably the GOP doesn’t think it will catch up with them in circles other than LGF and others that pay closer attention.

It’ll eventually catch up with them.

286 austin_blue  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:38:20pm

re: #271 darthstar

I’m looking forward to the Ghana game. Will only get to watch part of the England-Germany game Sunday, as my wife got me two tickets to see the RedSox lose to the Giants. I love that woman.

Lincecum is pitching, I assume? He’s tough!re: #276 windsagio

Its convenient if you intend to be running thing anyways tho’, they’re just bloody savages, wot?

Yeah, that was the attitude. No end of grief. Hutus vs. Tutsis. Xhosa against Zulus. Luo vs. Kukuyu vs. Massai in Kenya. Sunni vs. Shia vs. Kurd in Iraq.

287 wrenchwench  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:39:07pm

re: #283 robdouth

but that because of federal inaction and the inability of pushing through an comprehensive reform that addresses all problems, you’re going to see bills like AZ’s where they try to step up where the feds are failing.

I keep reading this line of “reasoning”. It would make sense if SB 1070 would do ANYTHING to secure the border. It won’t. It will fill the jails, and the return flights and buses, but the smugglers will keep crossing. They are heavily armed. Believe it or not, we need MORE Border Patrol personnel, and they need more equipment, including drones and helicopters. The law was written by racists for racist reasons, not to fix the problem.

288 darthstar  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:39:39pm

Heh…Marco Rubio tries to “go moderate” by saying he agrees with Obama’s health care plan regarding banning denial of coverage for pre-existing conditions and allowing dependents to stay on their parents’ insurance until the age of 26, but shortly thereafter, his team swings back to the right to protect his base by saying, “Marco believes the health care law should be repealed – all of it.”

FP’d on kos. Funny shit.

289 reine.de.tout  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:39:46pm

re: #241 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Bah, you think too small, mammal. The Lizard Master has an entire staff of dedicated minions in his underground lair, dedicated to scouting out and eradicating trolls. And another staff whose job it is then to harvest the gamey buttocks.

/

And of course, Cookbooks Volume 1 and 2 for troll recipes!

290 ReamWorks SKG  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:40:08pm

re: #166 researchok

Exactly! And my synagogue doesn’t get the government to raise money for it by issuing special commemorative coins like the “BSA” does.

You’re missing my point. The BSA has every right to have any policy it wants to regarding its membership. I oppose efforts to force them to change their policies through the legal system. To me, they’re like any other group I disagree with.

But why would a LIBERTARIAN advocate giving them taxpayer funded support? That’s my question. It makes no sense. And that’s why I agree with the sentiment that a libertarian is an anarchist with a tie. They have no real consistent philosophy.

291 Varek Raith  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:40:08pm

re: #288 darthstar

Heh…Marco Rubio tries to “go moderate” by saying he agrees with Obama’s health care plan regarding banning denial of coverage for pre-existing conditions and allowing dependents to stay on their parents’ insurance until the age of 26, but shortly thereafter, his team swings back to the right to protect his base by saying, “Marco believes the health care law should be repealed – all of it.”

FP’d on kos. Funny shit.

Lol.

292 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:40:10pm

re: #289 reine.de.tout

And of course, Cookbooks Volume 1 and 2 for troll recipes!

Hooray!

293 windsagio  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:40:44pm

re: #283 robdouth

Whups, I saw the term ‘federal inaction’ in reference to immigration.

(required response)

294 wee fury  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:40:46pm

OT
It is truly amazing how utterly repugnant the aroma of deer and rabbit spray repellant is. If it accidentally gets on the spraying party … well, I now smell like a cross between someone who has fallen in a sewer and an unfortunate recipient of skunk spray.
Oh, and Rand Paul reminds me of what I just wrote.

295 robdouth  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:41:19pm

re: #279 reuven

Sounds like a serious stretch. Catch a guy on a bad day and then he says what? That he personally isn’t high on athiests? That he personally (not legally) may question their patriotism. If you follow the string of questions, they were somewhat assinine questions. He didn’t say anything about citizenship or patriotism and he asks if he “supports the equal citizenship and patriotism” of athiests? Seems like he was trying to provoke a response about athiesm and if he did, one quote pulled out of a barrage of questions doesn’t necessarily mean anything.

296 Decatur Deb  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:41:29pm

re: #289 reine.de.tout

And of course, Cookbooks Volume 1 and 2 for troll recipes!

You have a future in the lucrative world of late-night info-mercials.

297 darthstar  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:41:41pm

re: #286 austin_blue


Yes! The freak is pitching…against Clay Butholz.

298 Charles Johnson  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:41:45pm

re: #243 ShaunP

Shame on me for seeing what you meant and reading some of that thread. Holy crap…

That was right at the point when the lunatics were probably at their worst here. And I didn’t have tools to police the site like I do now; in fact, I never had time to read most comments posted at LGF. We were getting the same daily number of comments we get now, but there was no report button, no Ajax tools, no monitors, and deleting comments was a tedious and lengthy process that sometimes would result in DB corruption, because at that point LGF was still using flat files.

I never even saw that creep’s comment about wiping his ass with the Koran before today. Comments like that wouldn’t last ten minutes nowadays.

One more point: I remain convinced that CAIR is a front for radical Islam, just in case anyone thinks I’ve changed my mind about that. I’ve seen way too much information about them; they’re connected to Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood, and they are very bad actors on the US political scene.

299 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:41:48pm

re: #175 researchok

Mt Sinai Hospital. St Mary’s, et al, get federal money because they are open to all.

To follow your line of reasoning, no religious institution should get state or federal aid- ever. No religious school school lunch programs, no shelters for the handicapped run by religious charities, etc, etc.

“Open to all” means open to atheists and agnostics, which the Boy Scouts are not.

300 reine.de.tout  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:42:06pm

re: #296 Decatur Deb

You have a future in the lucrative world of late-night info-mercials.

oh gah!

I’m not up that late.

301 HoosierHoops  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:42:13pm

Pacers draft Paul George.. A 6’9 Forward from Fresno…
Don’t get me wrong..I’m a huge Fresno Fan..Firebaugh is 25 minutes away from the Campus…
Stupid pick..The Pacers need a point guard not another swing man…
Is this game that hard? Really? You need a great point guard.. You build from there..Hello? Magic? Pacers need a great guard..So..Let’s draft a Forward…
Grrrrr..
I’m so glad I’m leaving Indiana this Summer.. Local Ball is starting to piss me off….
Oh Larry? Remember Mack Jackson? You know what? Forget it..Pay me 4 million a year to pick a forward when we need a guard…Groan…

302 Amory Blaine  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:42:24pm

re: #294 wee fury

OT
It is truly amazing how utterly repugnant the aroma of deer and rabbit spray repellant is. If it accidentally gets on the spraying party … well, I now smell like a cross between someone who has fallen in a sewer and an unfortunate recipient of skunk spray.
Oh, and Rand Paul reminds me of what I just wrote.


Doesn’t sound like a fun party. Are there cocktails?

303 Nimed  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:42:30pm

re: #282 windsagio

hehe, gotta admit was waiting for you to get downthread >>

Now I feel guilty for being unfair to Pam. Or I would, if not for her latest post — “Chuckie Johnson, the blogger Taliban”.

*sigh*

304 ReamWorks SKG  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:42:52pm

re: #295 robdouth

It’s only a little stretch. He certainly did suggest they’re not as “American” as others.

I’m not an atheist, but I strongly support them, and feel they are as American as anyone else…

305 windsagio  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:43:51pm

re: #304 reuven

They’re American enough to feel just as persecuted as the fundies do >>

(and with that, out on a walk!)

306 darthstar  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:43:54pm

re: #300 reine.de.tout

Hey Reine…did you see the link I posted yesterday about Adobe’s PDF-to-HTML web service?

307 Varek Raith  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:45:10pm

re: #305 windsagio

They’re American enough to feel just as persecuted as the fundies do >>

(and with that, out on a walk!)

:P
I don’t feel persecuted in any way, shape or form.
But continue thinking so if it makes ya feel better.
:P
:)

308 robdouth  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:45:23pm

re: #287 wrenchwench

Actually that’s not true. Just because the bill passed, my best friend has seen a sharp reduction in the amount of drop houses he’s had to hit. Coyotes are using basic risk/reward to choose a different state to smuggle people into. Not as many people want to come to AZ. All the assinine urban legends tied to the bill that are circulating the hispanic community are further discouraging illegal immigration. Ideally, it’s the drop houses I’d like to see stopped primarily. I don’t want to completely stop immigration, but the abuse of drop houses and coyotes has to be stopped, and if the bill is slowing them down to a trickle of what they were before, then maybe it’s a positive side-effect of a potentially bad law.

309 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:46:07pm

re: #298 Charles

That was right at the point when the lunatics were probably at their worst here. And I didn’t have tools to police the site like I do now; in fact, I never had time to read most comments posted at LGF. We were getting the same daily number of comments we get now, but there was no report button, no Ajax tools, no monitors, and deleting comments was a tedious and lengthy process that sometimes would result in DB corruption, because at that point LGF was still using flat files.

I never even saw that creep’s comment about wiping his ass with the Koran before today. Comments like that wouldn’t last ten minutes nowadays.

One more point: I remain convinced that CAIR is a front for radical Islam, just in case anyone thinks I’ve changed my mind about that. I’ve seen way too much information about them; they’re connected to Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood, and they are very bad actors on the US political scene.

CAIR has been pretty quiet lately.

310 wee fury  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:46:11pm

re: #302 Amory Blaine

Off to bathe. :-)

311 darthstar  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:46:28pm

Ha! America’s favorite grifter is returning 386,000 dollars raised for her “legal defense fund” (considering she made 12 million dollars in the first 9 months after she left “public service” she can afford it).

[Link: www.adn.com…]

312 reine.de.tout  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:46:42pm

re: #306 darthstar

Hey Reine…did you see the link I posted yesterday about Adobe’s PDF-to-HTML web service?

Yes, I did, thank you!
I will admit to being afraid to try it.
If Walter had problems that made his computer hang-up - well, I would NOT be able to deal with it.

The whole point of this was to try to put the cookbook in a Kindle version, which requires HTML document. I tried doing it with the pdf and the result was not pretty.

Plus for some reason - I have problems downloading ADOBE stuff to my computer . So … we may be out of luck for a Kindle version of the cookbook.
At any rate, BUY THE REGULAR VERSION, and get the art in all its full glory! Priced to sell, it is, at a mere $16 and change.

313 darthstar  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:46:52pm

re: #310 wee fury

Off to bathe. :-)

alone?

314 robdouth  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:46:55pm

re: #293 windsagio

It’s sad I even have to clarify as it should be obvious from the context of the quote, but if all you saw was that one term, then of course you’d be confused. I was talking about federal inaction as it relates to passing laws and immigration reform. border Patrol themselves, I’m sure do their job like always, I’m talking about federal politicians and their inaction on addressing the issue.

315 researchok  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:47:07pm

re: #299 goddamnedfrank

“Open to all” means open to atheists and agnostics, which the Boy Scouts are not.

Have any atheist kids ever been thrown out of the Boy Scouts? Has any court case been thrown out because one party swears on a bible?

We say, ‘In God we Trust’. The President says, ‘God Bless America’.

I could go on but you get the point.

316 Jimmah  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:47:26pm

From Edmund Standing at Harry’s Place - Nick Griffin’s use of the most extreme elements of his party, and what it looks like when BNP Nazis discuss ‘reform’ :

New plan for an ‘Aryan Britain’: Employ a ‘multi-racialist blighter’ and ‘wheel the Jews out’

The fallout from the BNP’s major electoral defeat continues…

Over at the ‘British National Politics’ website of Eddy Butler’s ‘reformist’ splinter group, the dissenters are reporting that Nick Griffin’s neo-Nazi connections remain strong:

The campaign to re-elect Nick Griffin as Chairman of the British National Party is taking shape. It is relying on smear stories that are first raised by outright Nazis on the most extreme, obscene and disreputable blogs and chat forums on the internet. These people are fed information by Nick Griffin MEP’s team, a series of lies are concocted, and a story ‘magically appears’.

And:

Nick Griffin MEP and his inner team are in direct communication with people on the most disreputable Nazi fringe. These Nazis are an integral part of Nick Griffin MEP’s leadership campaign.

…

The VNN discussion of this article is largely a back-and-forth between a couple of Nazi BNP members, who disagree on strategy. One, a supporter of the reformists, proposes covering up the BNP’s racism in order to win votes (an extension of what Griffin and co have been trying to do for some time), while a Griffinite disapproves, believing that there are limits to how far the BNP should appear to have changed in order to gain power. After all, ‘we are here to save our race’, he rants.

The BNP’s ‘moderation’ and shift away from neo-Nazism and anti-Semitism in recent years is a sham, and undoubtedly this ‘reform’ approach is just a more radical extension of that same subterfuge. The VNN reform group supporter argues:

To get a white nation within the existing laws and no doubt those still to come will/is nigh on impossible.It is time to set about getting some political power and then setting about (Re)creating a white Aryan Britain for the British.
…
You may very well want to usher your enemies into the ovens however if the Bnp is to destroy or at least negate the likes of Ukip it will have to jettison social racism in the political arena.
…
Protecting and promoting the cause of the indigenous population is not prevented by having a multi racialist leader with a coolie wife.Indeed the cause will be enhanced and strengthened by having such a blighter as leader … I am surprised the Bnp do not wheel the jews out more make em earn their corn.

And this is a supporter of the BNP’s ‘reform‘ group. Says it all really.

full article :

[Link: hurryupharry.org…]

317 Varek Raith  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:47:27pm

re: #312 reine.de.tout

Yes, I did, thank you!
I will admit to being afraid to try it.
If Walter had problems that made his computer hang-up - well, I would NOT be able to deal with it.

The whole point of this was to try to put the cookbook in a Kindle version, which requires HTML document. I tried doing it with the pdf and the result was not pretty.

Plus for some reason - I have problems downloading ADOBE stuff to my computer . So … we may be out of luck for a Kindle version of the cookbook.
At any rate, BUY THE REGULAR VERSION, and get the art in all its full glory! Priced to sell, it is, at a mere $16 and change.

I’m convinced Adobe’s cursed or something.

318 Randall Gross  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:47:41pm

re: #298 Charles

One more point: I remain convinced that CAIR is a front for radical Islam, just in case anyone thinks I’ve changed my mind about that. I’ve seen way too much information about them; they’re connected to Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood, and they are very bad actors on the US political scene.

Couldn’t agree more, the PR release files over the past few years from CAIR make this obvious all by themselves when you compare them to actual facts in real news stories regarding the arrests of some domestic terrorists. You don’t have to have all the links to MB, Qutbists, and Hamas as well as their apologists to see it.

319 Decatur Deb  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:48:01pm

re: #310 wee fury

Off to bathe. :-)

Tomato juice is said to work on skunkspoor. Couldn’t hurt.

320 darthstar  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:48:27pm

re: #312 reine.de.tout

I believe the service just sends you a zip file with the file broken into directories for display purposes. Kindle doesn’t support images anyway, does it?

No risk to your machine, or send the pdf to one of us and we’ll do it for you.

321 CuriousLurker  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:48:54pm

re: #268 windsagio

You know how it is, if anything that kind of emotion has faded surprisingly well over the last few years. People love to hold onto outrage and hate, and its taken us (as a nation) nearly a decade to become rational again after 9/11.

I can understand the feelings blind rage & hatred in the immediate aftermath as I felt a good deal of it myself. I can also understand lingering fear, mistrust, resentment and anger. But to me crap like that 5 years after the fact is more indicative of innate bigotry—i.e. opportunistic haters using the nation’s pain as an excuse to spew their filth. It’s despicable.

322 jaunte  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:48:57pm

re: #312 reine.de.tout


At any rate, BUY THE REGULAR VERSION, and get the art in all its full glory! Priced to sell, it is, at a mere $16 and change.

At 8.7 megabytes, the cookbook pdf is iPad ready, so if anyone wants to spend several hundred dollars more for the digital versionl, there’s an opportunity!

323 reine.de.tout  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:49:09pm

re: #317 Varek Raith

I’m convinced Adobe’s cursed or something.

I occasionally get a document I can’t open, because it requires adobe reader or some such, and I cannot, for the life of me, get it to install on my computer.

I called Adobe.
I called Apple.
Nobody seems to know (or care) what the problem is.
So, I gave up on Adobe.

324 Charles Johnson  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:49:11pm

re: #316 Jimmah

From Edmund Standing at Harry’s Place - Nick Griffin’s use of the most extreme elements of his party, and what it looks like when BNP Nazis discuss ‘reform’ :

full article :

[Link: hurryupharry.org…]

Note that Pamela Geller is linking to Harry’s Place today to support her bigoted comments. I’m pretty sure David T wouldn’t be cool with that.

325 robdouth  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:49:19pm

re: #304 reuven

You’re right, and I’m not defending those statements specifically by GHWB, but if someone asks a silly question, like all through GWB presidency about questioning patriotism, they don’t deserve a serious answer. It’s a throwaway question fishing for an answer that could be embarassing. GHWB either answers like he did and embarasses himself, or he says, yes they are citizens and I don’t question their patriotism and it’s a non-story, and neither answer really proves anything.

326 researchok  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:50:11pm

re: #316 Jimmah

From Edmund Standing at Harry’s Place - Nick Griffin’s use of the most extreme elements of his party, and what it looks like when BNP Nazis discuss ‘reform’ :

full article :

[Link: hurryupharry.org…]

Stupid is a commodity given out by God in great abundance.

My grandfather.

327 wrenchwench  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:50:15pm

re: #308 robdouth

Actually that’s not true. Just because the bill passed, my best friend has seen a sharp reduction in the amount of drop houses he’s had to hit. Coyotes are using basic risk/reward to choose a different state to smuggle people into. Not as many people want to come to AZ. All the assinine urban legends tied to the bill that are circulating the hispanic community are further discouraging illegal immigration. Ideally, it’s the drop houses I’d like to see stopped primarily. I don’t want to completely stop immigration, but the abuse of drop houses and coyotes has to be stopped, and if the bill is slowing them down to a trickle of what they were before, then maybe it’s a positive side-effect of a potentially bad law.

It’s discouraging legal Hispanics as well as illegals from staying in AZ. And transferring the problem to another state can’t really be defined as a solution, can it?

328 ReamWorks SKG  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:50:16pm

BTW: Remember the “flag burning” amendments that many Republicans supported a while back?

I believe these were just an attempt to capture the hearts and minds of a certain segment of voters, and no serious effort was made to try to implement/ratify them.

I’m thinking this is a similar stunt. It makes me long for the days of “flag burning” amendments.

Of course it would have been nice to see people like this, gathered around to burn the flag, prosecuted: Image: FlagRetirement1.jpg

329 Decatur Deb  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:50:27pm

re: #315 researchok

Have any atheist kids ever been thrown out of the Boy Scouts? Has any court case been thrown out because one party swears on a bible?

…snip.

I think they have. I was certain I had to keep my agnosticism quiet when I was a Cub leader—not there was a long line of potential replacements.

330 austin_blue  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:50:44pm

re: #298 Charles

That was right at the point when the lunatics were probably at their worst here. And I didn’t have tools to police the site like I do now; in fact, I never had time to read most comments posted at LGF. We were getting the same daily number of comments we get now, but there was no report button, no Ajax tools, no monitors, and deleting comments was a tedious and lengthy process that sometimes would result in DB corruption, because at that point LGF was still using flat files.

I never even saw that creep’s comment about wiping his ass with the Koran before today. Comments like that wouldn’t last ten minutes nowadays.

One more point: I remain convinced that CAIR is a front for radical Islam, just in case anyone thinks I’ve changed my mind about that. I’ve seen way too much information about them; they’re connected to Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood, and they are very bad actors on the US political scene.

Charles;

I *know* that CAIR is a front for Wahabi/Salafism (It’s funded out of the Magic Kingdom, after all!). Done deal. And I agree that much of the radical Sunnis come out of that culture. My question is, does that make them a front for radicals in the US?

It may well be so, but it is certainly a good question for discussion. My personal feeling is they are trying their damndest to show a face that is kinder and gentler in the West. They really have no choice. No one in the West would put up with Sharia.

331 reine.de.tout  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:50:54pm

re: #320 darthstar

I believe the service just sends you a zip file with the file broken into directories for display purposes. Kindle doesn’t support images anyway, does it?

No risk to your machine, or send the pdf to one of us and we’ll do it for you.

Send it to who? Walter was working on it and had trouble.
Really, I think it’s more trouble than it would be worth in terms of sales. The recipes are great, but it’s the artwork that makes it really special and sets the book apart from other cookbooks IMO.

332 Charles Johnson  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:51:16pm

re: #328 reuven

BTW: Remember the “flag burning” amendments that many Republicans supported a while back?

I believe these were just an attempt to capture the hearts and minds of a certain segment of voters, and no serious effort was made to try to implement/ratify them.

I’m thinking this is a similar stunt. It makes me long for the days of “flag burning” amendments.

Of course it would have been nice to see people like this, gathered around to burn the flag, prosecuted: Image: FlagRetirement1.jpg

No, it would not be “nice” to see them prosecuted. Are you nuts?

333 CuriousLurker  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:51:26pm

re: #278 Amory Blaine

That’s offensive to livestock and barns!!!

LOL, yeah, it was wrong of me to diss the poor livestock like that!

334 darthstar  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:51:45pm

re: #319 Decatur Deb

Tomato juice is said to work on skunkspoor. Couldn’t hurt.

How to use Tomato juice with skunk smell:
1. Place one part tomato juice and three parts vodka in glass.
2. add 1 teaspoon of horseradish
3. add dashes of Worcestershire (pronounced “worster”) sauce, tabasco, celery salt, pepper
4. garnish with celery, olive, lime, pickled green bean (this last ingredient is important)
5. Drink
6. repeat steps 1-5
7. repeat steps 1-5
8. repeat steps 1-5
9. Ask significant other to make you better.

335 austin_blue  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:51:53pm

re: #297 darthstar

Yes! The freak is pitching…against Clay Butholz.

Ouch. Buy massed quantities of beer and take a designated driver with the second ticket.

336 reine.de.tout  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:52:17pm

re: #333 CuriousLurker

LOL, yeah, it was wrong of me to diss the poor livestock like that!

Yes indeed.
My animals all have much better manners than that.

337 researchok  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:52:22pm

re: #326 researchok

Do over:

Stupid is a commodity given out by God in great abundance.

My grandfather said that. He was very smart man.

338 darthstar  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:52:37pm

re: #331 reine.de.tout

Nic is blue. I’ll give it a shot and see if it works.

339 researchok  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:53:17pm

re: #329 Decatur Deb

I think they have. I was certain I had to keep my agnosticism quiet when I was a Cub leader—not there was a long line of potential replacements.

I didn’t know that.

340 ReamWorks SKG  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:53:20pm

re: #332 Charles

Sorry, Charles! I thought smileys weren’t the norm here! That was meant as a joke.

(And, for the record, I thought the flag-burning amendment was an asinine idea. [Link: en.wikipedia.org…] )

341 Charles Johnson  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:53:25pm

re: #328 reuven

Now you have officially pissed me off.

Are you aware that burning a flag that is being “retired” is the officially sanctioned method?

[Link: www.wikihow.com…]

342 CuriousLurker  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:53:29pm

re: #321 CuriousLurker

…is more indicative of innate inherent bigotry—i.e. opportunistic haters using the nation’s pain as an excuse to spew their filth. It’s despicable.

PIMF

343 webevintage  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:53:47pm

Damnit, I think the hillbillies up the street moved and left a couple of their cats.
I hate people….

344 darthstar  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:53:58pm

re: #335 austin_blue

Ouch. Buy massed quantities of beer and take a designated driver with the second ticket.

I’ve got a nephew who just got his driving permit. I’m all set. And as my wife comps my food and alcohol (not just that watered down 3.2 crap they serve in the bleachers) I should be fine.

345 darthstar  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:54:24pm

re: #343 webevintage

Damnit, I think the hillbillies up the street moved and left a couple of their cats.
I hate people…

Congratulations on the new additions to your family.

346 Varek Raith  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:54:45pm

re: #338 darthstar

Nic is blue. I’ll give it a shot and see if it works.

If this “Nic” is blue you don’t have to shoot him.
///

347 Jimmah  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:55:21pm

re: #324 Charles

Note that Pamela Geller is linking to Harry’s Place today to support her bigoted comments. I’m pretty sure David T wouldn’t be cool with that.

He definitely wouldn’t be happy with that, nor would Gene (the main American contributor there) for that matter.

348 Varek Raith  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:55:22pm

re: #340 reuven

Sorry, Charles! I thought smileys weren’t the norm here! That was meant as a joke.

(And, for the record, I thought the flag-burning amendment was an asinine idea. [Link: en.wikipedia.org…] )

Sarc tags.
///
^See?
:)

349 ReamWorks SKG  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:55:49pm

re: #341 Charles

yes I do. And it shows how problematic a flag desecration amendment to our Constitution would have been! (Is it OK for a flag stamp to be canceled? What if a flag bumper sticker starts to peel?)

350 robdouth  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:55:53pm

re: #327 wrenchwench

Actually if a couple legal immigrants move because they don’t understand what the law means to them, and it stops the raping and murdering that goes on in drop houses in AZ, then yes it’s a solution in AZ. AZ cops can only police AZ. If other states get on bord with intensifying the punishment of coyotes and human smugglers then it would be a solution. I’m concerned first and foremost with the welfare of the hispanic immigrants even before security concerns for this country, and I’d gladly sacrifice having a couple legal immigrants who are irrationally afraid of SB 1070 leave, if it saves the lives of illegal immigrants.

351 Decatur Deb  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:55:55pm

re: #339 researchok

I didn’t know that.

Here’s one case. Wikipedia has a discussion.

[Link: www.seattlepi.com…]

352 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:55:57pm

re: #341 Charles

Now you have officially pissed me off.

Are you aware that burning a flag that is being “retired” is the officially sanctioned method?

[Link: www.wikihow.com…]

HE may not have known, but it was still a statement made in poor taste.

353 darthstar  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:56:51pm

re: #349 reuven

yes I do. And it shows how problematic a flag desecration amendment to our Constitution would have been! (Is it OK for a flag stamp to be canceled? What if a flag bumper sticker starts to peel?)

Dude. You’re fucking up. Silence is golden.

354 webevintage  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:57:24pm

re: #345 darthstar

Congratulations on the new additions to your family.

sigh.
My cats hate other cats…they even hate each other.
Hopefully I’m wrong or someone else on this cul de sac is as big a sucker for kittahs as I am.

355 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:58:12pm

re: #352 Dark_Falcon

He may not have known, but it was still a statement made in poor taste.

Sorry about the extra capital letter. I wasn’t shouting.

356 researchok  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 5:58:25pm

re: #351 Decatur Deb

Here’s one case. Wikipedia has a discussion.

[Link: www.seattlepi.com…]

Seems to me this is more of a ‘one off’ case.

Think DADT as a more realistic model for the Boy Scouts.

357 HoosierHoops  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:00:13pm

re: #349 reuven

yes I do. And it shows how problematic a flag desecration amendment to our Constitution would have been! (Is it OK for a flag stamp to be canceled? What if a flag bumper sticker starts to peel?)

You have got to be kidding me….

358 Decatur Deb  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:00:22pm

re: #356 researchok

Seems to me this is more of a ‘one off’ case.

Think DADT as a more realistic model for the Boy Scouts.

That’s how I played it, but if someone had challenged me, I would have had to drop the pack.

359 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:00:27pm

re: #341 Charles

One of my daughter’s friends, for his Eagle Scout project, advertised* for worn out flags to retire in a dignified, proper ceremony.

*Put out notice that he was going to do the ceremony, if you had a flag you needed retired.

360 robdouth  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:00:35pm

re: #353 darthstar

He’s actually not. He was being sarcastic and I don’t think Charles is reading it that way. I figured it was a joke.

361 funky chicken  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:00:47pm

re: #332 Charles

No, it would not be “nice” to see them prosecuted. Are you nuts?

based upon this thread, it’s a strong possibility

362 CuriousLurker  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:00:52pm

re: #336 reine.de.tout

Yes indeed.
My animals all have much better manners than that.

Mine too! ;o)

363 Randall Gross  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:01:24pm

Next time just use a real sarc tag in the original post and you won’t catch a rash…

// only a true lizard can walk on the rice paper without leaving sarc tags — thus endeth the lesson grasshopper, wax on wax off and all that shit.

364 Why I Never!  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:01:33pm

re: #328 reuven

BTW: Remember the “flag burning” amendments that many Republicans supported a while back?

I believe these were just an attempt to capture the hearts and minds of a certain segment of voters, and no serious effort was made to try to implement/ratify them.

I’m thinking this is a similar stunt. It makes me long for the days of “flag burning” amendments.

Of course it would have been nice to see people like this, gathered around to burn the flag, prosecuted: Image: FlagRetirement1.jpg

Even your jpg is titled “Flag Retirement”. Jesus.

365 Amory Blaine  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:01:35pm

It really grinds my gears when flag displays are unlit at night!!!!

366 darthstar  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:01:44pm

It’s 6pm…my cat’s walking on my chest again. Time to feed the little bastard. Though I do love him.

367 b_sharp  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:02:18pm

re: #362 CuriousLurker

Mine too! ;o)

My animals own me and have trained me well. My cat manners are impeccable.

368 Varek Raith  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:02:55pm

re: #366 darthstar

It’s 6pm…my cat’s walking on my chest again. Time to feed the little bastard. Though I do love him.

FEED MEH, HOOMON!

369 ReamWorks SKG  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:03:10pm

re: #361 funky chicken

See! This is why we don’t amend our constitution — whether to add [Link: en.wikipedia.org…] or to repeal the 14h ammendment — based on some knee-jerk reaction to a problem! It would cause years of unintended consequences…

370 reine.de.tout  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:04:13pm

re: #338 darthstar

Nic is blue. I’ll give it a shot and see if it works.

sent.
thank you!

371 Why I Never!  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:04:23pm

reuven— apologies, I hadn’t refreshed all the comments and I believe you were trying to make the point that it’s an idiotic idea. If so please accept my sincere apologies. (my browser is dragging today)

372 wrenchwench  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:04:38pm

re: #350 robdouth

Actually if a couple legal immigrants move because they don’t understand what the law means to them, and it stops the raping and murdering that goes on in drop houses in AZ, then yes it’s a solution in AZ. AZ cops can only police AZ. If other states get on bord with intensifying the punishment of coyotes and human smugglers then it would be a solution. I’m concerned first and foremost with the welfare of the hispanic immigrants even before security concerns for this country, and I’d gladly sacrifice having a couple legal immigrants who are irrationally afraid of SB 1070 leave, if it saves the lives of illegal immigrants.

I said “legal Hispanics”, not “legal immigrants”.

This law will not scare the cartel personnel who set up and fill the drop houses. The cartel people have to be stopped at the border. If Brewer wants to look serious, she’ll ask for helicopters. Since you are concerned first and foremost with the welfare of the Hispanic immigrants, you should want effective measures taken, rather than something that might have a beneficial side-effect while it scares people.

373 ReamWorks SKG  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:05:14pm

re: #371 iceweasel

No problem! Sometimes making a joke doesn’t work well when typed.

374 researchok  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:05:27pm

re: #364 iceweasel

Even your jpg is titled “Flag Retirement”. Jesus.

All I saw was the kid wearing socks and sandals.

375 Targetpractice  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:05:33pm

*Walks in, clothes disheveled, flyswatter in hand* Well, I’ve made triple ace in a day and the summer’s still young…I think I’m gonna need a bigger swatter.

376 darthstar  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:06:17pm

re: #368 Varek Raith

FEED MEH, HOOMON!

It’s not feeding him that’s a problem…it’s keeping him out of my gin.

377 ShaunP  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:06:21pm

re: #374 researchok

All I saw was the kid wearing socks and sandals.

STONE HIM!!!

///

378 reine.de.tout  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:06:21pm

re: #343 webevintage

Damnit, I think the hillbillies up the street moved and left a couple of their cats.
I hate people…

That’s how we got our most recent cat.
People moved, left the cat behind, it finally found us when it was about starved to death.
Now has its own bed in our house.
When animals find us, they’ve hit the jackpot.

379 Irenicum  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:07:13pm

Hey gang, anyone have a spare head they could lend. Mine just passed its due date.

380 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:07:28pm

re: #378 reine.de.tout

That’s how we got our most recent cat.
People moved, left the cat behind, it finally found us when it was about starved to death.
Now has its own bed in our house.
When animals find us, they’ve hit the jackpot.

There is a special place in hell for people who abandon animals.

(As opposed to people who took the animal with them, but it ran away because it couldn’t adjust. That’s different.)

381 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:07:50pm

re: #379 Irenicum


Terribly sorry. This one’s leaky. You don’t want it.

382 Four More Tears  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:07:56pm

re: #374 researchok

All I saw was the kid wearing socks and sandals.

re: #377 ShaunP

STONE HIM!!!

///

I used to think that was the worst foot-fashion ever.

Then Crocs were invented…

383 researchok  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:07:58pm

re: #379 Irenicum

Hey gang, anyone have a spare head they could lend. Mine just passed its due date.

Welcome to my world.

384 funky chicken  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:08:15pm

re: #327 wrenchwench

It’s discouraging legal Hispanics as well as illegals from staying in AZ. And transferring the problem to another state can’t really be defined as a solution, can it?

Legal residents have nothing to fear from the law, and I’d guess the vast majority know it. I’m a military wife, so I have to show ID all the time…at the doctor, at the base grocery store, at the gate driving in, etc. It’s no big deal. And if a cop pulls me over, I expect to be asked for my driver’s license. As long as I’m not trying to go somewhere restricted, I’m fine. The same goes for any legal resident of AZ.

If neighboring states want to step up immigration enforcement, they should do so. AZ has a real problem in Phoenix and on the border with violent crimes committed by non-citizens, and AZ chose to try to combat that problem. I don’t live or vote there, so I’m OK with allowing them to tackle their problems the way they see best.

385 Decatur Deb  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:09:26pm

re: #379 Irenicum

Hey gang, anyone have a spare head they could lend. Mine just passed its due date.

A couple boxes of spares showed up at Little Rock Apt.

[Link: www.nytimes.com…]

386 Why I Never!  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:09:35pm

re: #373 reuven

No problem! Sometimes making a joke doesn’t work well when typed.

Thanks — took back my downding too. When you don’t know someone’s sense of humour yet it can be easy to misread them and jump the gun. Apologies again.

387 b_sharp  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:09:46pm

re: #379 Irenicum

Hey gang, anyone have a spare head they could lend. Mine just passed its due date.

I’d give you my head, but I’m trying to grow hair on it, and all I’m getting is a little moss.

388 darthstar  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:10:01pm

re: #370 reine.de.tout

sent.
thank you!

Trying now.

389 austin_blue  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:10:38pm

re: #383 researchok

Welcome to my world.

Mine’s not suitable. My mental roadmap is full of pot holes.

390 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:10:42pm

re: #379 Irenicum

Hey gang, anyone have a spare head they could lend. Mine just passed its due date.

Here’s one. [hands Irenicum the head of a flounced troll, brain removed.]

391 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:11:10pm

re: #373 reuven

No problem! Sometimes making a joke doesn’t work well when typed.

So don’t type it.

392 CuriousLurker  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:11:11pm

re: #375 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

*Walks in, clothes disheveled, flyswatter in hand* Well, I’ve made triple ace in a day and the summer’s still young…I think I’m gonna need a bigger swatter.

*hands targetpractice her ginormous fly-killing scimitar*

Just be careful with the drapes.

393 Targetpractice  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:11:22pm

re: #390 Dark_Falcon

Here’s one. [hands Irenicum the head of a flounced troll, brain removed.]

Dude, shouldn’t you be wearing a Haz-Mat suit while handling that?

394 Irenicum  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:11:24pm

re: #385 Decatur Deb

Ewww. And I’ll avoid any Arkansas jokes for the sake of our Southern fellow lizards.

395 Amory Blaine  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:11:30pm

re: #382 JasonA

I used to think that was the worst foot-fashion ever.

Then Crocs were invented…

I’m a victim of the 70s. I had canvas hightop sneakers with knee-high tube-socks with the three stripe at the top. Rounding out the ensemble were small shorts with the white trim and the Coup de grâce: keep on truckin T-Shirt.

396 b_sharp  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:11:37pm

re: #390 Dark_Falcon

Here’s one. [hands Irenicum the head of a flounced troll, brain removed.]

Hey, it wasn’t stated empty heads are acceptable.

397 wrenchwench  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:11:44pm

re: #384 funky chicken

The same goes for any legal resident of AZ.

A visiting New Mexican needs a passport. A New Mexico license will not do.

398 HoosierHoops  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:11:52pm

re: #354 webevintage

sigh.
My cats hate other cats…they even hate each other.
Hopefully I’m wrong or someone else on this cul de sac is as big a sucker for kittahs as I am.

People have been telling me to get another doggie pal for Winston..Cause he is alone all day…I’m considering it…
Yet…OK he sleeps all day, eats on his own schedule, Owns the house all day..
I work all day long and come home feeling sorry for Winston? It has got to be a PETA Plot or something….
Screw those pundits..Winston..You damn well better be feeling lonely before I come home…
No little friends for you Mr. Winston!
Poor little Winston…When he crawls up in bed tonight I’ll sing this in his ears and put him to sleep:

Mean Mister Mustard sleeps in the park
Shaves in the dark trying to save paper
Sleeps in a hole in the road
Saving up to buy some clothes
Keeps a ten bob note up his nose
Such a mean old man
Such a mean old man

Good night Winston….

399 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:12:34pm

re: #398 HoosierHoops

Just keep him away from the clothes basket!
LOL!

400 Irenicum  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:12:37pm

re: #390 Dark_Falcon

Mmmmm, brainless!

401 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:12:54pm

re: #393 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Dude, shouldn’t you be wearing a Haz-Mat suit while handling that?

Troll heads are safe to handle once the brain has been removed. Only the brain has dangerous toxins.

402 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:13:19pm

re: #397 wrenchwench

A visiting New Mexican needs a passport. A New Mexico license will not do.

Same if you’re from Illinois.

403 Targetpractice  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:13:24pm

re: #401 Dark_Falcon

Troll heads are safe to handle once the brain has been removed. Only the brain has dangerous toxins.

Kinda like a zombie?

404 Amory Blaine  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:14:19pm

re: #400 Irenicum

Mmmm, brainless!

When we were young, when we were doing risky and stupid stuff we would say “look Ma!!!! No brains!!!!”

405 CuriousLurker  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:14:27pm

re: #376 darthstar

It’s not feeding him that’s a problem…it’s keeping him out of my gin.

OMG, your cat looks exactly like mine. Both mine love to drink water out of my glass, so I ended up having to get one of those reusable plastic water bottles. Which really isn’t a bad thing since I’m prone to spilling stuff.

406 researchok  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:15:02pm

OT, have you ever wondered why Stan and Doris Kowalski of Newark, NJ made the finals on every state version of Bowling for Dollars?

407 Irenicum  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:15:20pm

re: #404 Amory Blaine

I remember doing that too. It’s amazing any of us survived.

408 austin_blue  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:16:09pm

Din din and the last two episodes of True Blood, season 2.

“Sookie is mine!”

BBIAB.

409 Amory Blaine  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:16:18pm

re: #401 Dark_Falcon

Troll heads are safe to handle once the brain has been removed. Only the brain has dangerous toxins.

Don’t they have soap for that at the grocery store?

410 researchok  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:16:44pm

re: #405 CuriousLurker

OMG, your cat looks exactly like mine. Both mine love to drink water out of my glass, so I ended up having to get one of those reusable plastic water bottles. Which really isn’t a bad thing since I’m prone to spilling stuff.

I am a dog person.

I also subscribe to the Darwinian notion of self preservation. Hence, I will make no cat jokes.

411 Irenicum  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:16:48pm

re: #409 Amory Blaine

Only LAVA works.

412 funky chicken  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:17:08pm

re: #397 wrenchwench

A visiting New Mexican needs a passport. A New Mexico license will not do.

Huh? Legal New Mexico driver’s license won’t suffice? And they’re not setting up “brown skin dragnets.” They can just ask about residency status after they’ve encountered you doing something illegal, correct? Really, cops aren’t anxious to do a ton of extra paperwork to harass folks who aren’t causing serious problems, generally.

413 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:17:27pm

re: #406 researchok

OT, have you ever wondered why Stan and Doris Kowalski of Newark, NJ made the finals on every state version of Bowling for Dollars?

Spare me.

414 Varek Raith  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:17:36pm

re: #411 Irenicum

Only LAVA works.

At 3000 degrees it damn well better!
/

415 Amory Blaine  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:17:37pm

re: #395 Amory Blaine

I’m a victim of the 70s. I had canvas hightop sneakers with knee-high tube-socks with the three stripe at the top. Rounding out the ensemble were small shorts with the white trim and the Coup de grâce: keep on truckin T-Shirt.

Oh I forgot if you had sweatbands for your wrists you were super badass!!

416 funky chicken  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:18:30pm

Illinois?

417 HoosierHoops  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:19:24pm

re: #399 Floral Giraffe

Just keep him away from the clothes basket!
LOL!

Oh Good Lord you read that last year? Whoops!
You know I have about 5000 posts here about Winston being a first time pet owner…I’ve been thinking…It’s already a book…And I think a pretty funny book for the Pet smart crowd…Once I move and settle down and know nobody in a new town..It’s going to be a new project…

418 wrenchwench  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:19:37pm

re: #412 funky chicken

Huh? Legal New Mexico driver’s license won’t suffice? And they’re not setting up “brown skin dragnets.” They can just ask about residency status after they’ve encountered you doing something illegal, correct? Really, cops aren’t anxious to do a ton of extra paperwork to harass folks who aren’t causing serious problems, generally.

That’s right, also Illinois and 3 other states.

Anybody who gets arrested can have their immigration status checked. Nobody needed SB 1070 for that.

Really, cops aren’t anxious to do a ton of extra paperwork to harass folks who aren’t causing serious problems, generally.

That’s why many cops are opposed to the law.

419 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:19:37pm

re: #412 funky chicken

Huh? Legal New Mexico driver’s license won’t suffice? And they’re not setting up “brown skin dragnets.” They can just ask about residency status after they’ve encountered you doing something illegal, correct? Really, cops aren’t anxious to do a ton of extra paperwork to harass folks who aren’t causing serious problems, generally.

Still, it’s best to have a passport handy if you’re from one of the states that doesn’t confirm legal status. It’s possible to get into an accident, for instance, and end up detained till the cops can confirm you are here legally.

420 Irenicum  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:19:49pm

re: #406 researchok

I hope they at least split the money.

421 wrenchwench  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:20:12pm

I’m out. I’ll be back to rant some more tomorrow.

422 CuriousLurker  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:21:00pm

re: #367 b_sharp

My animals own me and have trained me well. My cat manners are impeccable.

LOL, same here. They tell me when to wake up, when to sleep, when it’s time to cuddle, and if I leave and don’t come back till after sunset it’s understood that there will be consequences.

423 wrenchwench  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:21:07pm

[Link: www.npr.org…]

424 Irenicum  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:21:13pm

re: #417 HoosierHoops

Buy smart, buy Pet Smart.

425 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:21:16pm

re: #416 funky chicken

Illinois?

And Hawaii. It’s any state that does not verify legal status as part of the issuing process. In 2017 all states will be required to do so to meet the requirements of the REAL ID Act.

426 researchok  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:21:39pm

re: #420 Irenicum

I hope they at least split the money.

They are Kowalskis. From Newark.

He gets 50 bucks and she takes care of the rest- high stakes mah jong.

427 HoosierHoops  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:21:47pm

re: #421 wrenchwench

I’m out. I’ll be back to rant some more tomorrow.

Well yelling is how we get our exercise on the Internet..
/Be well

428 Varek Raith  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:21:48pm

re: #424 Irenicum

Buy smart, buy Pet Smart.

You’re in the wrong store, Ash.

429 webevintage  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:21:56pm

re: #398 HoosierHoops


No little friends for you Mr. Winston!
Poor little Winston…When he crawls up in bed tonight I’ll sing this in his ears and put him to sleep:

Mean Mister Mustard sleeps in the park
Shaves in the dark trying to save paper
Sleeps in a hole in the road
Saving up to buy some clothes
Keeps a ten bob note up his nose
Such a mean old man
Such a mean old man

Good night Winston…

hahahahaha
I have missed hearing about Winston!

430 zora  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:22:16pm

re: #328 reuven

so what, did you not get to be a boy scout? camping and pinewood derbies really piss you off, huh?

431 Amory Blaine  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:22:39pm

re: #428 Varek Raith

You’re in the wrong store, Ash.

That’s 2 Evil Dead references in this thread!!

432 CuriousLurker  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:22:56pm

re: #410 researchok

I am a dog person.

I also subscribe to the Darwinian notion of self preservation. Hence, I will make no cat jokes.

Wise choice. *fingers scimitar* ;o)

I love dogs too, but haven’t had space for one in year & years.

433 Political Atheist  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:23:16pm

re: #101 windsagio

Put a few employers in jail. Punish it like a DUI. That will help.

434 b_sharp  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:23:43pm

re: #422 CuriousLurker

LOL, same here. They tell me when to wake up, when to sleep, when it’s time to cuddle, and if I leave and don’t come back till after sunset it’s understood that there will be consequences.



We used to have a cat that would either poop in my wife’s shoe, or pull all the toilet paper off the roll depending on how badly we annoyed her.

435 webevintage  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:24:00pm

re: #405 CuriousLurker

OMG, your cat looks exactly like mine. Both mine love to drink water out of my glass, so I ended up having to get one of those reusable plastic water bottles. Which really isn’t a bad thing since I’m prone to spilling stuff.

The problem is my cats get their heads stuck in the glasses and then spill whatever drink they were trying to get to all over the place.
Evil kittahs.

436 prairiefire  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:24:11pm

re: #419 Dark_Falcon

Still, it’s best to have a passport handy if you’re from one of the states that doesn’t confirm legal status. It’s possible to get into an accident, for instance, and end up detained till the cops can confirm you are here legally.

See, DF, that is were the unconstitutional part comes in. I’m a white hyper anglo looking person. No cop would ever question my legality, just based on that. Why does a legal latina natural born citizen have to worry she put her passport in her cute new purse?

437 Irenicum  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:24:45pm

re: #431 Amory Blaine

Can never get enough dead.

438 Irenicum  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:25:55pm

re: #436 prairiefire

That’s exactly the point I’ve tried repeatedly to get across to my more conservative friends, but sadly to no avail.

439 webevintage  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:26:27pm

I’m gone for awhile.
Time to watch the new Futurama episode.

440 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:26:55pm

re: #436 prairiefire

See, DF, that is were the unconstitutional part comes in. I’m a white hyper anglo looking person. No cop would ever question my legality, just based on that. Why does a legal latina natural born citizen have to worry she put her passport in her cute new purse?

Is that a good enough reason not to enforce the borders?

441 Political Atheist  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:27:00pm

re: #419 Dark_Falcon

Passport? Most of us have a bunch of stuff in our wallet or purse that indicate citizenship, if indirectly. Any cop can add up a drivers license, a few credit cards, maybe a work ID, a AAA card. How may illegal aliens have most or all of that?

442 b_sharp  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:27:04pm

re: #436 prairiefire

See, DF, that is were the unconstitutional part comes in. I’m a white hyper anglo looking person. No cop would ever question my legality, just based on that. Why does a legal latina natural born citizen have to worry she put her passport in her cute new purse?

I was just telling my wife we had better not go down to AZ, or if we do, she better not drive a car without a Canadian licence plate on it. Her skin is just a tad too dark.

443 CuriousLurker  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:27:30pm

re: #434 b_sharp

We used to have a cat that would either poop in my wife’s shoe, or pull all the toilet paper off the roll depending on how badly we annoyed her.

They know. Both of mine give me the cold shoulder for hours, but one of them will pee on my shoes.

444 b_sharp  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:28:23pm

re: #440 Spare O’Lake

Is that a good enough reason not to enforce the borders?

No, but it is a good enough reason not to have such a repressive law.

445 prairiefire  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:28:48pm

re: #440 Spare O’Lake

Is that a good enough reason not to enforce the borders?

How well are you Canadians enforcing your borders? Do you always carry your Canadian passport?

446 avanti  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:29:03pm

It occurred to me that I’m not sure if one or both of my parents became citizens. Dad was from Greece, mom from Serbia, both came over in the early 1900’s. I wonder if Paul wants to check my status.

447 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:29:14pm

re: #442 b_sharp

I was just telling my wife we had better not go down to AZ, or if we do, she better not drive a car without a Canadian licence plate on it. Her skin is just a tad too dark.

I heard on CNN today that 45 of the states have AZ type laws in the works. All because the feds can’t or won’t get their act together.

448 CuriousLurker  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:29:27pm

re: #435 webevintage

The problem is my cats get their heads stuck in the glasses and then spill whatever drink they were trying to get to all over the place.
Evil kittahs.

Hehe, mine would tip the glass over on purpose when they could no longer reach the water at the bottom.

449 Charles Johnson  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:29:42pm

re: #423 wrenchwench

[Link: www.npr.org…]

Ry Cooder! Excellent. That’s a great track.

450 prairiefire  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:29:45pm

re: #446 avanti

It occurred to me that I’m not sure if one or both of my parents became citizens. Dad was from Greece, mom from Serbia, both came over in the early 1900’s. I wonder if Paul wants to check my status.

Hence your swarthy good looks!

451 Amory Blaine  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:29:46pm

re: #443 CuriousLurker

They know. Both of mine give me the cold shoulder for hours, but one of them will pee on my shoes.

My moms cat lies on the floor next to his bowl, flicks the food out with his paw, and then licks the food off the floor.

He’s a hero of mine.

452 researchok  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:30:03pm

re: #432 CuriousLurker

Wise choice. *fingers scimitar* ;o)

I love dogs too, but haven’t had space for one in year & years.

I have an ex wife. I already know what it’s like to be taken for granted and ignored.

That’s why I like dogs.

453 Decatur Deb  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:30:21pm

I’d wear one of Joe Arpaio’s pink jumpsuits before I’d carry a passport from one US state to another. Fortunately, I won’t be sent to Ft. Huachuca again.

454 b_sharp  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:30:27pm

re: #443 CuriousLurker

They know. Both of mine give me the cold shoulder for hours, but one of them will pee on my shoes.

Dogs don’t do that (much). They’re usually so thankful you came home they never ask why you were out so late - unless you have the scent of another dog on you.

455 b_sharp  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:32:29pm

re: #445 prairiefire

How well are you Canadians enforcing your borders? Do you always carry your Canadian passport?

I don’t even have a passport. Not that long ago we didn’t need one to travel to the US.

456 darthstar  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:33:08pm

re: #388 darthstar

Trying now.

Done….Reine…you’ve got mail.

457 Irenicum  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:33:33pm

We had very discriminating cats when I was growing up. We had one who was primarily an outdoor cat that regularly won fights with dogs and all the neighborhood birds hated him passionately. But he was seriously cool and he loved European beer, especially Heineken. We learned that when my brother decided to do a taste test. He put out a saucer of Schlitz beer and he sniffed it and promptly whacked it out of his face. He wasn’t having any of that shit!

458 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:33:35pm

re: #445 prairiefire

How well are you Canadians enforcing your borders? Do you always carry your Canadian passport?

Very well, thanks. We prefer to get swamped with bogus refugee claims instead.

459 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:34:36pm

re: #453 Decatur Deb

I’d wear one of Joe Arpaio’s pink jumpsuits before I’d carry a passport from one US state to another. Fortunately, I won’t be sent to Ft. Huachuca again.

No, you wouldn’t. It just isn’t worth the grief to not be prepared. Thankfully, for most people it isn’t an issue.

460 researchok  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:34:40pm

re: #457 Irenicum

We had very discriminating cats when I was growing up. We had one who was primarily an outdoor cat that regularly won fights with dogs and all the neighborhood birds hated him passionately. But he was seriously cool and he loved European beer, especially Heineken. We learned that when my brother decided to do a taste test. He put out a saucer of Schlitz beer and he sniffed it and promptly whacked it out of his face. He wasn’t having any of that shit!

Only cat people would waste beer on cats.

Have you no shame?

461 Jimmah  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:35:24pm

Ali Farka Toure - Diaraby

Youtube Video
462 Amory Blaine  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:36:00pm

re: #457 Irenicum

We had very discriminating cats when I was growing up. We had one who was primarily an outdoor cat that regularly won fights with dogs and all the neighborhood birds hated him passionately. But he was seriously cool and he loved European beer, especially Heineken. We learned that when my brother decided to do a taste test. He put out a saucer of Schlitz beer and he sniffed it and promptly whacked it out of his face. He wasn’t having any of that shit!

Frank Booth would have words with you!!

463 Political Atheist  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:36:02pm

O/T
Little favor please.
Does anyone have a big monitor and a good speaker system fired up? I’m trying to find out how smooth the video and how good the sound has come through on a test video. I tried editing some 60FPS HD on an older editing PC.
Link

It’s in a page, just leave a comment if you do not mind-Video and sound quality on your system… Thanks!

464 ShaunP  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:36:25pm

re: #458 Spare O’Lake

Very well, thanks. We prefer to get swamped with bogus refugee claims instead.

Enforcing the Canadian/US border? The US does a pretty good job there too… LOL…

Different animal from US/Mexico…

465 prairiefire  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:36:34pm

re: #458 Spare O’Lake

When we were in Montreal and Quebec City 2 years ago, the populations looked quite diverse. We stayed at the Holiday Inn in China Town in Montreal. Beautiful cities.

466 CuriousLurker  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:36:57pm

re: #454 b_sharp

Dogs don’t do that (much). They’re usually so thankful you came home they never ask why you were out so late - unless you have the scent of another dog on you.

Oh yeah, the “cheating check”.

467 Why I Never!  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:37:08pm

re: #436 prairiefire

See, DF, that is were the unconstitutional part comes in. I’m a white hyper anglo looking person. No cop would ever question my legality, just based on that. Why does a legal latina natural born citizen have to worry she put her passport in her cute new purse?

Exactly.
Moreover— why are we assuming that only Latinos (natural born or not) are going to be questioned?
Anyone who just ‘looks latino’ is potentially open to question.
That covers a helluva lot of people and a whole lot of different ethnic mixtures.

It’s hard not to see the AZ legislation and ones like it as part of a broader trend of the GOP having issues with the shifting demographics of the country— covering everything from interracial marriages to natural born citizens to immigrants legal and illegal.

The GOP has already demonstrated that they’re apparently blind* to the shifting realities of demographics or just in denial. By 2020 or so no one will be able to win national office without a big chunk of the Latino vote. Approving Sotomayor for example would have been an easy win for the GOP— she’s centrist and was going to be approved no matter what.
Instead they went to town with ‘wise Latina’ crap and assorted racist dogwhistles and rumours.
Shooting themselves in the foot, over and over again…

Nate Silver breaks down the electoral numbers for the GOP:
Operation Gringo: Can the Republicans Sacrifice the Hispanic Vote and Win the White House?
——-
*blind= this was originally a typo: ‘blond’. lol.

468 CuriousLurker  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:37:32pm

re: #452 researchok

I have an ex wife. I already know what it’s like to be taken for granted and ignored.

That’s why I like dogs.

LMAO!!

469 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:38:44pm

re: #467 iceweasel

Blond! LOL!
*waves*

470 Political Atheist  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:39:15pm

re: #469 Floral Giraffe

Floral!
How are you this fine day?

471 Decatur Deb  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:40:05pm

re: #459 Dark_Falcon

No, you wouldn’t. It just isn’t worth the grief to not be prepared. Thankfully, for most people it isn’t an issue.

I’m reading my passport. It suggests that the bearer might not be a citizen, just a “national”. More to learn.

472 CuriousLurker  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:40:26pm

re: #451 Amory Blaine

My moms cat lies on the floor next to his bowl, flicks the food out with his paw, and then licks the food off the floor.

He’s a hero of mine.

LOL, cats are all about the body language. And if looks could kill…

473 Irenicum  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:41:14pm

re: #462 Amory Blaine

What movie is that from? I love it! I can never get enough of Dennis Hopper.

474 prairiefire  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:41:24pm

re: #463 Rightwingconspirator

Done, very cool.

475 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:41:24pm

re: #467 iceweasel

Exactly.
Moreover— why are we assuming that only Latinos (natural born or not) are going to be questioned?
Anyone who just ‘looks latino’ is potentially open to question.
That covers a helluva lot of people and a whole lot of different ethnic mixtures.

It’s hard not to see the AZ legislation and ones like it as part of a broader trend of the GOP having issues with the shifting demographics of the country— covering everything from interracial marriages to natural born citizens to immigrants legal and illegal.

The GOP has already demonstrated that they’re apparently blind* to the shifting realities of demographics or just in denial. By 2020 or so no one will be able to win national office without a big chunk of the Latino vote. Approving Sotomayor for example would have been an easy win for the GOP— she’s centrist and was going to be approved no matter what.
Instead they went to town with ‘wise Latina’ crap and assorted racist dogwhistles and rumours.
Shooting themselves in the foot, over and over again…

Nate Silver breaks down the electoral numbers for the GOP:
Operation Gringo: Can the Republicans Sacrifice the Hispanic Vote and Win the White House?
—-
*blind= this was originally a typo: ‘blond’. lol.

No, Ice, she’s not. Any pretense she had towards centrism went out the door in my eyes when she voted against the laws forbidding material support of terrorism. Thankfully, she was one of only three justices to see it that way.

476 HoosierHoops  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:41:50pm

re: #469 Floral Giraffe

Blond! LOL!
*waves*

Hi You!

477 Amory Blaine  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:42:24pm

re: #473 Irenicum

What movie is that from? I love it! I can never get enough of Dennis Hopper.

It’s from Blue Velvet. A great movie.

478 Decatur Deb  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:43:27pm

re: #471 Decatur Deb

I’m reading my passport. It suggests that the bearer might not be a citizen, just a “national”. More to learn.

Checked it out. There are a few ways to be a non-citizen US National and get aq passport.

[Link: travel.state.gov…]

479 Irenicum  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:44:17pm

re: #477 Amory Blaine

How did I miss that? I love that twisted sick dark little movie. Laura Dern is so hot. And Isabella Rosellini could do whatever she wants with me.

480 Political Atheist  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:44:23pm

re: #474 prairiefire

Thanks. And my system was not getting the pops, probably some artifact to chase out. The bass was deliberate for drama. Next I’ll do the very same edit on a very modern system (Adobe CS5) and see what happens. So much to learn! Thanks very much.

481 researchok  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:44:34pm

re: #467 iceweasel

Exactly.
Moreover— why are we assuming that only Latinos (natural born or not) are going to be questioned?
Anyone who just ‘looks latino’ is potentially open to question.
That covers a helluva lot of people and a whole lot of different ethnic mixtures.

It’s hard not to see the AZ legislation and ones like it as part of a broader trend of the GOP having issues with the shifting demographics of the country— covering everything from interracial marriages to natural born citizens to immigrants legal and illegal.

The GOP has already demonstrated that they’re apparently blind* to the shifting realities of demographics or just in denial. By 2020 or so no one will be able to win national office without a big chunk of the Latino vote. Approving Sotomayor for example would have been an easy win for the GOP— she’s centrist and was going to be approved no matter what.
Instead they went to town with ‘wise Latina’ crap and assorted racist dogwhistles and rumours.
Shooting themselves in the foot, over and over again…

Nate Silver breaks down the electoral numbers for the GOP:
Operation Gringo: Can the Republicans Sacrifice the Hispanic Vote and Win the White House?
—-
*blind= this was originally a typo: ‘blond’. lol.

I noted earlier:

Just imagine if ICE and INS said, ‘We’re starting small. We’re headed to Chicago to round up illegal Poles’. Or Irish.

‘Rand Paul could not be reached for comment’.

I’m all for immigration reform, but let’s make sure we do it right.

Make the face of illegal aliens blond and blue eyed as well as brown and the tone of the conversation changes.

482 funky chicken  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:44:59pm

re: #419 Dark_Falcon

I didn’t know that illegals could get legal driver’s licenses in some states. That seems…odd. We need to somehow figure out who’s here and who’s up to no good, and it should be done on a national level. Unfortunately, the spineless boobs in Congress aren’t going to do anything. That leaves it up to individual states to take care of all the confusion on their own, which make a mess of the situation.

I live in OK, which was maybe the first state to pass an immigration bill back in 2007. It’s weird that AZ is taking so much heat when their law isn’t necessarily any more “anti-illegal” than the one in OK, and nobody has said much about this state.

Here’s an article about the OK law:
[Link: www.usatoday.com…]

483 Ojoe  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:45:16pm

re: #299 goddamnedfrank

We look the other way in our troop.

484 researchok  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:45:59pm

re: #475 Dark_Falcon

No, Ice, she’s not. Any pretense she had towards centrism went out the door in my eyes when she voted against the laws forbidding material support of terrorism. Thankfully, she was one of only three justices to see it that way.

Maybe- but one ruling does not a jurist define.

That said, I’d have to read her dissent.

485 HoosierHoops  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:46:44pm

re: #479 Irenicum

How did I miss that? I love that twisted sick dark little movie. Laura Dern is so hot. And Isabella Rosellini could do whatever she wants with me.

How about Laura Dern in October Sky?
I mean who doesn’t love the smoking hot teacher that inspires her students?
/Hot for the Teacher - Van Halen

486 Why I Never!  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:47:17pm

re: #469 Floral Giraffe

Blond! LOL!
*waves*

hey cutie! *waves back*

487 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:47:42pm

re: #470 Rightwingconspirator

Good, and you & DL?

488 Decatur Deb  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:48:00pm

re: #485 HoosierHoops

How about Laura Dern in October Sky?
I mean who doesn’t love the smoking hot teacher that inspires her students?
/Hot for the Teacher - Van Halen

Did you see that the book is “Rocket Boys”, an anagram?

489 Why I Never!  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:48:41pm

re: #475 Dark_Falcon

No, Ice, she’s not. Any pretense she had towards centrism went out the door in my eyes when she voted against the laws forbidding material support of terrorism. Thankfully, she was one of only three justices to see it that way.

Yeah, she is. As reasearchok said, one decision does not a jurist make, but like him I would have to read the particulars of her dissent.

490 CuriousLurker  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:48:45pm

re: #475 Dark_Falcon

Any pretense she had towards centrism went out the door in my eyes when she voted against the laws forbidding material support of terrorism.

I was a little surprised that there wasn’t a front page article on that decision. Or was there and I just missed it somehow?

491 Jimmah  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:49:16pm

A.R Rahman - Bombay Theme [HD]

Youtube Video
492 RogueOne  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:49:29pm

re: #210 albusteve

indeed…smothered and toasted

i ate the best reuben on he planet yesterday. Indy doesn’t have a lot of jews but the ones we do have know wtf they’re doin’.

Image: shapiro_01.JPG

493 windsagio  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:49:34pm

re: #490 CuriousLurker

Now that you mentioned it yeah.

I could totally get into that discussion!

494 researchok  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:49:34pm

re: #485 HoosierHoops

How about Laura Dern in October Sky?
I mean who doesn’t love the smoking hot teacher that inspires her students?
/Hot for the Teacher - Van Halen

Closest thing we ever had to a hot teacher was rather large and endured hot flashes.

495 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:50:35pm

re: #489 iceweasel

May I send you a mail, tomorrow?

496 Irenicum  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:51:10pm

re: #494 researchok

Yeah, the closest I had was a middle school French teacher who cried in class a lot.

497 Jimmah  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:52:03pm

re: #491 Jimmah

A.R Rahman - Bombay Theme [HD]


[Video]

Ugh - crap sound quality. This one is much better:

Youtube Video
498 Decatur Deb  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:52:06pm

re: #494 researchok

Closest thing we ever had to a hot teacher was rather large and endured hot flashes.

Sister Mary Claver was not hot.

499 Irenicum  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:52:08pm

re: #494 researchok

But at least she took us to a French film that had nudity, so it wasn’t a complete loss.

500 Why I Never!  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:52:37pm

re: #493 windsagio

Now that you mentioned it yeah.

I could totally get into that discussion!

I think we had a featured page by someone on it?
If we don’t get a main thread (probably not at this point, might not be current enough) one of us could start a page and we could all decamp to that page’s thread to discuss.

501 researchok  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:53:08pm

re: #496 Irenicum

Yeah, the closest I had was a middle school French teacher who cried in class a lot.

I hear you.

Our teacher (high school) used to regale us with tales of how bad men were. She was dumped by some Scot years earlier and never got over it.

Oh, the stories we heard…

502 Why I Never!  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:53:29pm

re: #495 Floral Giraffe

May I send you a mail, tomorrow?

Sweetie! Yes, please! Looking forward to it! (i owe you one too).

503 RogueOne  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:53:40pm

re: #301 HoosierHoops

Pacers draft Paul George.. A 6’9 Forward from Fresno…
Don’t get me wrong..I’m a huge Fresno Fan..Firebaugh is 25 minutes away from the Campus…
Stupid pick..The Pacers need a point guard not another swing man…
Is this game that hard? Really? You need a great point guard.. You build from there..Hello? Magic? Pacers need a great guard..So..Let’s draft a Forward…
Grrr..
I’m so glad I’m leaving Indiana this Summer.. Local Ball is starting to piss me off…
Oh Larry? Remember Mack Jackson? You know what? Forget it..Pay me 4 million a year to pick a forward when we need a guard…Groan…

Larry Bird needs to go. He’s made one good call, Granger. Other than that pick he’s been a disaster.

504 researchok  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:54:20pm

re: #499 Irenicum

But at least she took us to a French film that had nudity, so it wasn’t a complete loss.

You scored.

505 funky chicken  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:54:42pm

Back in the early 1960s my mom and dad were driving back into TX from Mexico and they got stopped and questioned because my mom is of central European descent. They had to show ID and talk to the border guard. My mom grew up in Dallas, so it was a 5 minute inconvenience…and my dad thought it was pretty funny that the border patrol thought he looked like a guy who was shopping for a senorita.

He said he was glad they hadn’t filled the trunk with Kalhua (sp?) and cigarettes…

again, they weren’t up to mischief, and it was no big deal. If people in AZ aren’t up to mischief, it’s no big deal.

kinda like showing a picture ID to vote.

506 Irenicum  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:54:59pm

re: #501 researchok

I had that in undergrad with a religion prof. Everyone knew what how evil her ex husband was.

507 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:55:11pm

re: #502 iceweasel

Cool, thanks!

508 researchok  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:55:38pm

re: #498 Decatur Deb

Sister Mary Claver was not hot.

All dressed?

509 Irenicum  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:55:40pm

re: #504 researchok

That day every 13yo boy in that class was grateful for taking French.

510 Why I Never!  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:56:22pm

re: #501 researchok

I hear you.

Our teacher (high school) used to regale us with tales of how bad men were. She was dumped by some Scot years earlier and never got over it.

Oh, the stories we heard…

You’re killing me tonight! She actually told you guys all about it? wow.

/gotta watch those scots. Sheep stealers, every last one of em.

511 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:56:23pm

re: #484 researchok

Maybe- but one ruling does not a jurist define.

That said, I’d have to read her dissent.

re: #489 iceweasel

Yeah, she is. As reasearchok said, one decision does not a jurist make, but like him I would have to read the particulars of her dissent.

She didn’t write the dissent. Justice Breyer did. The case only had two opinions, Breyer’s and the majority opinion of Chief Justice Roberts.

512 researchok  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:57:06pm

re: #509 Irenicum

That day every 13yo boy in that class was grateful for taking French.

I was a late bloomer.

Kissed a girl for the 1st time at 16.

I thought, ‘HOLY SHIT! NOW I KNOW WHAT EVERYONE IS TALKING ABOUT.

That was a very good day.

513 HoosierHoops  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:57:36pm

re: #499 Irenicum

But at least she took us to a French film that had nudity, so it wasn’t a complete loss.

Honest to God..I was flunking English in the 7th grade and they transfered me to Ms. Carman’s Class.. The most beautiful woman in the world that wore tight sweaters in class…I hung on every word she said..I did ever after class exercise…I wanted to marry her.. I got an A minus that semester…
I’m not say the Union shouldn’t hire more smoking hot English teachers…
But it couldn’t hurt.
/

514 Political Atheist  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:57:43pm

re: #487 Floral Giraffe

DL is down with a cold but really all is well. Been trying to learn a lot in a short time. HD video details-Oh Mah haid hurtz :)

515 Amory Blaine  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:57:51pm

I loved all the nuns at my school. Even the mean ones.

516 researchok  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:57:55pm

re: #511 Dark_Falcon

She didn’t write the dissent. Justice Breyer did. The case only had two opinions, Breyer’s and the majority opinion of Chief Justice Roberts.

Surely she contributed to the dissent, though- and agreed to it.

517 Decatur Deb  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:57:58pm

re: #508 researchok

All dressed?

We had nuns 24/7. In small nighttime emergencies they would respond quickly. Seeing them out of uniform in those days was a spooky experience.

518 Irenicum  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:58:13pm

re: #515 Amory Blaine

They’re a hard habit to break huh?

519 researchok  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:58:26pm

re: #517 Decatur Deb

We had nuns 24/7. In small nighttime emergencies they would respond quickly. Seeing them out of uniform in those days was a spooky experience.

All dressed as in full habit.

520 swamprat  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:58:29pm

As of this morning, I am no longer a dog person.
Not good.
Dug his grave just now in the (light) rain.
He was a good pup.
I can’t stand it when they can’t stand.
I had to put his mother down a while back from the same thing.


oh yeah, and ronpaul only likes the parts of the constitution that say the things that ronpaul likes. That’s why we write things down. Everybody agrees on it, and then we vote, and then we hold to what is written. We don’t pick and choose what we like and don’t like.

Freedom of speech….(should include flag burning)

Right to pursuit of happiness…(if you don’t think that covers gay rights at least, and possibly gay marriage, you are not looking at it squarely)

Right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness…one word; abortion

Right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness…people convicted of pedophilia based crimes are sometimes denied their freedom, far beyond their allotted prison sentences, because they supposedly cannot be “cured”. It might be the safe thing, it might be the prudent thing, but I don’t see it as constitutional.

Right to a trial by a jury of one’s peers/security of property… vehicles, jobs, and possessions are frequently subject to forfeiture upon arrest for drugs drunken driving, and who knows what else. This might please the “law and order crowd, but “arrest” is not “conviction”, and should not be treated as such.

2nd Amendment… This law has nothing to do with hunting. It is the law. It is our law.

And whilst I’m up here on my soapbox, what the fuck would it take to be convicted of “treason”? We have this nice law, but we haven’t used it in years. I know somebody during all this time must have broken it once or twice, but apparently we are an unbelievably patriotic nation. Who knew?


And it looks like my truck may not be worth repairing this time.

521 windsagio  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:59:38pm

re: #500 iceweasel

Is kinda old news now >> Oh well!

522 Why I Never!  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:59:39pm

re: #505 funky chicken

Back in the early 1960s my mom and dad were driving back into TX from Mexico and they got stopped and questioned because my mom is of central European descent. They had to show ID and talk to the border guard. My mom grew up in Dallas, so it was a 5 minute inconvenience…and my dad thought it was pretty funny that the border patrol thought he looked like a guy who was shopping for a senorita.

He said he was glad they hadn’t filled the trunk with Kalhua (sp?) and cigarettes…

again, they weren’t up to mischief, and it was no big deal. If people in AZ aren’t up to mischief, it’s no big deal.

kinda like showing a picture ID to vote.

It’s a cute story and I’m glad they thought it was funny, but if this happened to them repeatedly they might feel very differently about it.

523 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:59:56pm

re: #510 iceweasel

We had a smoking hot English teacher, her name was Mrs. Meyers, so we all called her “Oscar”. LOL!
She & her husband were liscenced falconers & every spring, in the back of the classroom were, owlets, and chick of other raptors, that she stopped & fed every 30 minutes. Very cool lady.

524 researchok  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 7:00:16pm

re: #517 Decatur Deb

We had nuns 24/7. In small nighttime emergencies they would respond quickly. Seeing them out of uniform in those days was a spooky experience.

I was always fascinated by the starched headband thing. I’ll bet they went through lots of starch.

525 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 7:00:33pm

re: #464 ShaunP

Enforcing the Canadian/US border? The US does a pretty good job there too… LOL…

Different animal from US/Mexico…

In Canada it takes about 5 years to process a refugee claim including various appeals, and during that time they generally are allowed to live in the community of their choice. Believe it or not, we even get bogus refugee claims for the US here from folks who claim that if they are sent back to America they will be tortured or severely mistreated.

526 researchok  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 7:01:31pm

re: #523 Floral Giraffe

We had a smoking hot English teacher, her name was Mrs. Meyers, so we all called her “Oscar”. LOL!
She & her husband were liscenced falconers & every spring, in the back of the classroom were, owlets, and chick of other raptors, that she stopped & fed every 30 minutes. Very cool lady.

What did you say? I stopped at ‘smoking hot’.

527 Irenicum  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 7:01:36pm

re: #513 HoosierHoops

You remind me of my first serious crush on an older woman. My mom and I were in family therapy together and we were assigned a fresh out of Grad school therapist name Gayle. A couple years ago I’m watching the Today Show and they have Gayle Salz doing a feature and I realize that it’s her! Still beautiful as ever.

528 CuriousLurker  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 7:01:52pm

re: #520 swamprat

As of this morning, I am no longer a dog person.
Not good.
Dug his grave just now in the (light) rain.
He was a good pup.

I’m really sorry to hear you lost him.

529 windsagio  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 7:02:31pm

re: #522 iceweasel

Note I live nowhere near the border.

One of our area directors always has a new car (Latina) if for some reason she’s in an old, beat up looking one, she says she’s about 5x more likely to be pulled over for no discernable reason (Its like the opposite of being black!)

530 Decatur Deb  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 7:02:31pm

re: #524 researchok

I was always fascinated by the starched headband thing. I’ll bet they went through lots of starch.

During a snowball fight, one of us bounced a ball off a nun’s wimple. It deflected like armor. Then we waited for the thunderbolt.

531 Irenicum  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 7:02:36pm

BBL. Gonna watch Boston Med.

532 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 7:02:44pm

re: #230 darthstar

Archives? Charles keeps every thread alive in a separate window on his 16’ LCD screen.

And his 54” magnifying glass, don’t forget the magnifying glass… /

533 Varek Raith  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 7:03:36pm

re: #532 ausador

And his 54” magnifying glass, don’t forget the magnifying glass… /

You forgot the internet kill switch!

534 Jimmah  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 7:03:37pm

Black White - Asian Dub Foundation

Youtube Video
535 researchok  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 7:04:35pm

re: #530 Decatur Deb

During a snowball fight, one of us bounced a ball off a nun’s wimple. It deflected like armor. Then we waited for the thunderbolt.

LOLOL

536 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 7:05:21pm

re: #532 ausador

Steampunk Lives on LGF!

537 HoosierHoops  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 7:06:06pm

re: #534 Jimmah

Black White - Asian Dub Foundation


[Video]

Hey my Brother!

538 Varek Raith  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 7:06:18pm

re: #536 ausador

Steampunk Lives on LGF!

[Link: www.sillof.com…]

539 funky chicken  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 7:06:50pm

re: #522 iceweasel

It’s a cute story and I’m glad they thought it was funny, but if this happened to them repeatedly they might feel very differently about it.

I’m pretty sure I can’t travel to England without a legal passport and a visa. Why should the US be different?

540 Why I Never!  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 7:06:56pm

re: #523 Floral Giraffe

We had a smoking hot English teacher, her name was Mrs. Meyers, so we all called her “Oscar”. LOL!
She & her husband were liscenced falconers & every spring, in the back of the classroom were, owlets, and chick of other raptors, that she stopped & fed every 30 minutes. Very cool lady.

Wow! everyone had such interesting teachers!
Mine didn’t appear to be, by and large. Well, nuns, so that might be part of it (no ex husbands to complain about, I guess)
Looking forward to your email!

Owlets are so cute. :)

541 Political Atheist  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 7:07:34pm

re: #520 swamprat

The thing about compound posts-When I like 3 or 4 things a lot I can only give one up. Darn it. We have buried a couple fine animal companions ourselves. It always hurts like hell. I think I’ll share something I wrote on that day we lost our beloved bear cat…

542 Political Atheist  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 7:08:08pm

OT
Planet Green has a big show all about the spill… Right now.

543 Dr. Shalit  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 7:09:13pm

Yo Rand -

Welcome to the REAL World - seems at least you understand that a Partial Repeal of the “Freedmen’s Amendments” requires Another Amendment. One would have thought that by this time the ERA would have been part of the Constitution - after all, all that one requires is recognizing your sister, mother, wife as an equal - not a congruent - person. Changing the Constitution is a Long, Drawn Out, and HARD Proposition, as it SHOULD BE!

-S-

544 RogueOne  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 7:09:30pm

In case anybody is missing it, the new Futurama on comedy central is on.

545 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 7:09:31pm

re: #533 Varek Raith

You forgot the internet kill switch!

It’s on his Seekrit Control Panel, right next to the Ban Button and the Disemvowelment Lever.

546 Decatur Deb  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 7:09:48pm

re: #538 Varek Raith

[Link: www.sillof.com…]

Such dedicated work, there.

547 CuriousLurker  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 7:11:40pm

I’m out too. Received the first disc of season 2 of The Wire today.

Have fun!

548 Why I Never!  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 7:11:44pm

re: #539 funky chicken

I’m pretty sure I can’t travel to England without a legal passport and a visa. Why should the US be different?

We’re not talking about people being once stopped at a border crossing as happened to your parents, but being stopped on the streets where they were born and live purely based on the colour of their skin or their appearance.

If you can’t see why that’s problematic I can’t help you.

549 Jimmah  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 7:11:58pm

re: #537 HoosierHoops

Hey my Brother!

How are you doing, Hoops? Watched Italy go out earlier today - which I was glad to see (Italy - always been ultra defensive- usually very boring to watch). England are smarting over being beaten by the USA in the final group ranking. Should be a interesting second round.

550 researchok  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 7:12:21pm

re: #530 Decatur Deb

During a snowball fight, one of us bounced a ball off a nun’s wimple. It deflected like armor. Then we waited for the thunderbolt.

I’m still laughing! I’ve emailed that to 2 continents now.

That line will now last an eternity in cyberspace.

551 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 7:12:58pm

Moving upthread, taters!

552 researchok  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 7:13:35pm

re: #540 iceweasel

Wow! everyone had such interesting teachers!
Mine didn’t appear to be, by and large. Well, nuns, so that might be part of it (no ex husbands to complain about, I guess)
Looking forward to your email!

Owlets are so cute. :)

May you always have cats.

553 Varek Raith  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 7:13:39pm

re: #530 Decatur Deb

During a snowball fight, one of us bounced a ball off a nun’s wimple. It deflected like armor. Then we waited for the thunderbolt.

Two words
Phased. Snowball.

554 Varek Raith  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 7:14:44pm

I’m out.
Later!

555 firstinla  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 7:14:54pm

Somebody said (I don’t know who it was): “Cats are smarter than dogs. you can’t get seven cats to pull a sled.”

556 RogueOne  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 7:15:31pm

re: #555 firstinla

Somebody said (I don’t know who it was): “Cats are smarter than dogs. you can’t get seven cats to pull a sled.”

What if my dog can eat 7 cats?

557 researchok  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 7:16:24pm

re: #552 researchok

That may not have come out right….

May you never need a dog.

558 Jimmah  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 7:19:07pm

re: #523 Floral Giraffe

We had a smoking hot English teacher, her name was Mrs. Meyers, so we all called her “Oscar”. LOL!
She & her husband were liscenced falconers & every spring, in the back of the classroom were, owlets, and chick of other raptors, that she stopped & fed every 30 minutes. Very cool lady.

We had a science teacher for a while who called everyone ‘John’ regardless of sex, actual name etc. I think he was actually mentally ill - the school tried not to use him unless they had to.

559 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 7:20:19pm

re: #556 RogueOne

What if my dog can eat 7 cats?

I’d be seriously annoyed with your dog.

560 firstinla  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 7:21:33pm

re: #556 RogueOne

Your dogs would have to first catch the cats. Imagine the fun. Personally I’m partial to chocolate labs and mine are too lazy.

561 b_sharp  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 7:23:51pm

re: #510 iceweasel

You’re killing me tonight! She actually told you guys all about it? wow.

/gotta watch those scots. Sheep stealers, every last one of em.

Hey now, that’s not true. My maternal grandfather, although born in Canada, came from a long line of Scots, and he never stole a sheep in his life. He was a lumberjack for 10 years though, so he may have been bit by a Llama.

562 HoosierHoops  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 7:28:06pm

re: #549 Jimmah

How are you doing, Hoops? Watched Italy go out earlier today - which I was glad to see (Italy - always been ultra defensive- usually very boring to watch). England are smarting over being beaten by the USA in the final group ranking. Should be a interesting second round.

Hi you! I didn’t watch Soccer till I was working in the Netherlands in 2006 during the world Cup…I love the Dutch! I have the orange uniform from 2006 hanging in the closet…
I’ll tell you my little soccer story..I was at the office and all the guys at 10am went out to the lot and kicked around a soccer ball..Really cool..Cause at our office we shoot ball outside with 2 basketball goals..
After a couple of days there I couldn’t take it any more..I walked outside and talked to my co workers laughing and walked to the middle of the circle everybody was kicking the ball through..
Kick the the ball
They did..
I started dribbling the ball.. Come get the ball boys..I was running around and everybody was laughing so much..A cherished moment for me…
Getting chased around by Dutch guys trying to steal the ball from me was funnier than hell..Everyday while I was there at 10am break the Hoopster was outside messing around trying to kick the ball and learning the beautiful game….I will always be a fan of the Dutch team..Forever!

563 Eclectic Infidel  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 7:29:42pm

re: #101 windsagio

The problem is that the current law seems to be unsustainable. We can’t effectively keep illegal immigrants out, and we can’t seem to keep businesses from hiring them. Something major needs to change, because totally unenforcable laws might as well not be laws at all.

Perhaps more invasive and punitive fines & penalties can be levied against companies? I’m talking draconian here.

564 Dr. Shalit  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 7:30:06pm

re: #556 RogueOne

“R.O.” -

In that case, your dog won’t have to eat for “Quite” awhile - AND - you have proved that all’y’all cannot handle your dog. -S-

565 Decatur Deb  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 7:32:11pm

‘Nite, all.

566 windsagio  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 7:32:55pm

re: #563 eclectic infidel

more expensive food, its like a catch-22 sandwich >>

567 Jimmah  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 7:34:34pm

re: #562 HoosierHoops


Everyday while I was there at 10am break the Hoopster was outside messing around trying to kick the ball and learning the beautiful game…I will always be a fan of the Dutch team..Forever!

Heh - they’re my favourite European team as well, as it happens! You have good taste, Hoops :)

568 Eclectic Infidel  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 7:38:41pm

re: #566 windsagio

more expensive food, its like a catch-22 sandwich >>

Couldn’t laws be passed prohibiting a company from raising prices when said company is penalized for breaking the law?

569 b_sharp  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 7:41:27pm

Hoosier, If you’re still around, all I could find for pictures of my guitars were the Polaroids I took for insurance. This weekend, I’ll pull them out of their cases and take some digitals.

570 HoosierHoops  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 7:44:00pm

re: #569 b_sharp

Hoosier, If you’re still around, all I could find for pictures of my guitars were the Polaroids I took for insurance. This weekend, I’ll pull them out of their cases and take some digitals.

Heck ya! We have to get together.

571 windsagio  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 7:44:09pm

re: #568 eclectic infidel

probably in theory, but I can already hearing the free-marketers crying out in agony.

the problem is that we COULD come up with a solution, but due to a combination of corporate influence and political theory, its not really possible.

572 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 7:57:57pm

re: #571 windsagio

probably in theory, but I can already hearing the free-marketers crying out in agony.

the problem is that we COULD come up with a solution, but due to a combination of corporate influence and political theory, its not really possible.

I’d never support it. I’m firmly against the idea of price controls except during a major war requiring national mobilization. During the World Wars, such laws were needed but at no other times during the past century.

573 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 8:00:32pm

re: #466 CuriousLurker

Oh yeah, the “cheating check”.

When our dog was doing that thing—sniffing your clothes suspiciously—my dad would sing “Lipstick On Your Collar”.

574 ReamWorks SKG  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 8:13:08pm

re: #482 funky chicken
I didn’t know that illegals could get legal driver’s licenses in some states. That seems…odd.

The flip side to that argument is why should state agencies be mandated to perform functions that the federal government should be doing?

I can see the argument that a driver’s license should be proof that a person is qualified to drive a car, no more, no less. For example, in California (and probably other states), “Deadbeat Dads” (i.e., those behind on their child support) can’t get driver’s licenses. When do you draw the line of what other things we should tack onto the list of requirements to be a driver?

575 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 8:16:35pm

re: #419 Dark_Falcon

Still, it’s best to have a passport handy if you’re from one of the states that doesn’t confirm legal status. It’s possible to get into an accident, for instance, and end up detained till the cops can confirm you are here legally.

When I go to Mexico I have to have my passport, so does my wife and daughter……. it’s not hard to have it with you. We can’t get home without it.

576 Why I Never!  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 8:17:41pm

re: #561 b_sharp

Hey now, that’s not true. My maternal grandfather, although born in Canada, came from a long line of Scots, and he never stole a sheep in his life. He was a lumberjack for 10 years though, so he may have been bit by a Llama.

Hey, I love the Scots! I’m officially a member of the Clan MacJimmah now after all. :)

scottish iceweasel

I was making a reference to finding out this morning that an uncle of Jimmah’s apparently traced their family back to some sheep stealers. :) No offense was intended.
(and I think it’s cool, actually, as is lumberjacking.) It’s just interesting to find out these family stories.

577 funky chicken  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 8:20:02pm

re: #548 iceweasel

We’re not talking about people being once stopped at a border crossing as happened to your parents, but being stopped on the streets where they were born and live purely based on the colour of their skin or their appearance.

If you can’t see why that’s problematic I can’t help you.

That’s not what the AZ law is about. It doesn’t allow nonsense stops for folks with good tans. If the cops interact with somebody for an infraction of the law or other problem, they can ask about immigrations status.

I understand your interest in making the law sound like a terrible infringement upon the rights of hispanics, but it’s just not going to do that. We have a very similar law here in OK, and I don’t see hispanics getting harassed or run off. AZ has a big problem with crime caused by members of Mexican drug cartels and human smuggling operations. Hopefully this law will help them get control of the crime, and hopefully it won’t be more than a minor inconvenience for folks who aren’t criminals. All people will have to do is produce ID and interact pleasantly with police officers.

578 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 8:20:48pm
579 Political Atheist  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 8:22:37pm

re: #578 MikeySDCA

What is your avatar? Is that a martial arts logo?

580 Why I Never!  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 8:24:04pm

re: #577 funky chicken

All brown people will have to do is produce ID and interact pleasantly with police officers anytime a police officer demands it.

Fixed it for you.

We’re advocating that brown people in certain states always carry extra papers and present them on demand.

It should be clear that this is a very bad idea, especially when the ‘criminal infringements’ in question that occasion the demand for papers can include something as minor as a traffic violation.

581 What, me worry?  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 8:27:24pm

re: #577 funky chicken

That’s not what the AZ law is about. It doesn’t allow nonsense stops for folks with good tans. If the cops interact with somebody for an infraction of the law or other problem, they can ask about immigrations status.

I understand your interest in making the law sound like a terrible infringement upon the rights of hispanics, but it’s just not going to do that. We have a very similar law here in OK, and I don’t see hispanics getting harassed or run off. AZ has a big problem with crime caused by members of Mexican drug cartels and human smuggling operations. Hopefully this law will help them get control of the crime, and hopefully it won’t be more than a minor inconvenience for folks who aren’t criminals. All people will have to do is produce ID and interact pleasantly with police officers.

The law still remains open for a lot of abuse. Cops aren’t immigration officers. They uphold the law and particularly the 4th Amendment re legal search and seizure.

As to your comment upthread about “illegals” and driver’s licenses, there are many people in this country living, working and going to school who are not citizens. But that doesn’t mean they are “illegal”. They’re here on legal visas. They have to get around, why shouldn’t they drive?

582 prairiefire  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 8:28:05pm

re: #520 swamprat

{{swamprat}} You did the right thing.

583 Eclectic Infidel  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 8:40:17pm

re: #571 windsagio

probably in theory, but I can already hearing the free-marketers crying out in agony.

the problem is that we COULD come up with a solution, but due to a combination of corporate influence and political theory, its not really possible.

Oh sure, I can hear the kavetching already, but I’d support it. The corporate influence needs to be broken somehow, and going after companies who hire illegals is a must, in my opinion.

584 dannyhiggs  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 11:18:45pm

I am a born and raised American with Puerto Rican ancestry and I think the 14th amendment needs to go. It was created to give former slaves and their children citizenship and has no place today. The founding fathers did not create this amendment and now that it does not relate to today, it is no longer needed. Just as the 18th amendment was repealed, so too can the fourteenth amendment. It is not unconstitutional to repeal amendments. If we do not repeal it, at least modify it to state that the parents must be a full fledged citizen before the child is born. Otherwise the child should have to go through the same process as the parent.

Using the unborn as anchors is a mockery of our national sovereignty. Just because ILLEGAL immigrants will be the most effected does NOT make this a racist position.

585 Why I Never!  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 11:41:57pm

re: #584 dannyhiggs

The founding fathers did not create this amendment

They also didn’t create the nineteenth amendement, which gives me the right to vote.

I have to laugh when people on the right fetishise the constitution and then set about advocating dismantling the parts they find inconvenient.

586 ryannon  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 12:10:50am

re: #406 researchok

OT, have you ever wondered why Stan and Doris Kowalski of Newark, NJ made the finals on every state version of Bowling for Dollars?

This is a question which for more years than I care to remember, has prevented me from sleeping nights.

587 ryannon  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 12:58:14am

re: #581 marjoriemoon

The law still remains open for a lot of abuse. Cops aren’t immigration officers. They uphold the law and particularly the 4th Amendment re legal search and seizure.

As to your comment upthread about “illegals” and driver’s licenses, there are many people in this country living, working and going to school who are not citizens. But that doesn’t mean they are “illegal”. They’re here on legal visas. They have to get around, why shouldn’t they drive?

Anybody, no matter what their color, can be detained in France if they have no official means of identification on them. ‘Detained, means sitting in a police station until they can determine your identify and legal status as a resident in the even that it appears that you are not French. I’m an American, and this has happened to me several times - and always because the police had a reason for stopping me (usually a minor traffic violation). It is not used as a means to harass foreigners, the reason being that like anywhere else, the police can harass them whenever they want and under any pretext. And like anywhere else, sometimes they do, and sometimes they don’t. As much as I’m against the whole idea, given the changing patterns of illegal immigration in this country, it is clear that possessing some form of identity papers has become a necessity. By and large, the system works, and gives ‘the authorities’ a means of controlling what would otherwise become a totally uncontrollable situation: people are desperate to get here, and quite ready to bypass the legal means to do so. Unfortunately, once they begin living outside the law, a small minority become criminals. The only way to get a handle on this situation is by using the current system of identity papers and identity checks. This goes for the French as well, and is instrumental in preventing crime and apprehending criminals.

The world has changed in the last few decades and as imperfect as the solutions may be, governments are obliged to institute measure such as these to maintain some semblance of order on their respective national territories.


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