Ry Cooder's New Single: Quicksand

Ry Cooder’s New Single: Quicksand

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Check out Ry Cooder’s excellent new single, inspired by Arizona’s new anti-immigrant law, in an exclusive premiere on NPR.

Arizona’s ongoing battle over immigration has inspired a new single from guitarist, composer and venerated session musician Ry Cooder.� The song, “Quicksand,” tells the story of six people who attempt to make their way from Mexico to the Arizona border via the so-called Devil’s Highway.

“The Devil’s Highway has been used by migrants traveling on foot for over 100 years,” says Cooder.� “You should try it sometime. Out there, temperatures can get above 130 degrees.� If you fall down, you have religious hallucinations, then you die, cooking from the inside out.� If you get lucky, you might make it to Yuma, but then what?� That’s no comfort station they run up there.”

(Hat tip: wrenchwench.)

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99 comments

insanity police Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:44:31pm

“I got good shoes, I won’t hold you up.” I like it!

freetoken Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:58:44pm

I take it Ry is not performing at the upcoming Tea Parties?

Dr. Shalit Thu, Jun 24, 2010 6:59:26pm

Charles -

I am still digesting and mostly liking the new Tom Petty Album. Apparently there is a Ry Cooder Album as well - great week for “booomers,” eh?

-S-

windsagio Thu, Jun 24, 2010 7:09:13pm

OT but its a music thread anyways.

Stupid fun free flash game

(instructions and such in movie below)

Youtube Video

Randall Gross Thu, Jun 24, 2010 7:11:00pm

Love the guitar, hate the singing… same as it always was with me and Ry Cooder . Well worth listening to regardless, thanks.

Also for those who did not know there’s an Iphone app for NPR music, and they stream new stuff every week…

[Link: www.npr.org…]

watching you tiny alien kittens are Thu, Jun 24, 2010 7:14:35pm

The message is ok, the singing is pretty bad, the decent Bass line is all that makes it listenable at all. Not going on my favorites list… :p

What, me worry? Thu, Jun 24, 2010 7:16:59pm

Woot! Wench!

What, me worry? Thu, Jun 24, 2010 7:20:32pm

re: #6 ausador

The message is ok, the singing is pretty bad, the decent Bass line is all that makes it listenable at all. Not going on my favorites list… :p

Really? He sounds pretty funky, bluesy.

Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jun 24, 2010 7:27:01pm

OT- NatGeo is running a special on a dirty bomb attack. Just wow. BBL.

watching you tiny alien kittens are Thu, Jun 24, 2010 7:28:57pm

re: #8 marjoriemoon

Really? He sounds pretty funky, bluesy.

He has a few songs that take good advantage of that and I like them, this isn’t one of them unfortunately.

Charles Johnson Thu, Jun 24, 2010 7:29:51pm

Judge Andrew Napolitano defends BP on Fox News.

Allahpundit desperately tries to find a way to spin it.

[Link: hotair.com…]

What, me worry? Thu, Jun 24, 2010 7:31:44pm

re: #10 ausador

He has a few songs that take good advantage of that and I like them, this isn’t one of them unfortunately.

Ah well I’ll check it out! I’ve not heard much of his music.

Gus Thu, Jun 24, 2010 7:32:17pm

Something I just noticed on a few of the latest LGF Page entries but please try not to post the full article. Make it an excerpt. Also try to use the “quote” function.

sattv4u2 Thu, Jun 24, 2010 7:32:43pm

re: #11 Charles

Judge Andrew Napolitano defends BP on Fox News.

Allahpundit desperately tries to find a way to spin it.

[Link: hotair.com…]

As for the liability cap, I don’t get Napolitano’s point. Yes, in theory it creates a moral hazard by limiting BP’s losses to $75 million, but in practice the cap doesn’t apply in cases involving gross negligence, willful misconduct, or violations of federal safety regs.

Sorry,, but looks as if he’s flat out DISagreeing with the ‘judge”!

swamprat Thu, Jun 24, 2010 7:34:00pm

ry cooder

wry cooter

in case you didn’t get it

freetoken Thu, Jun 24, 2010 7:40:31pm

re: #14 sattv4u2

!

Sorry,, but looks as if he’s flat out DISagreeing with the ‘judge”!

Um, no.

If AP were disagreeing with “the judge” he could simply say so. Rather, is is playing ignorant (“don’t get”) on the internet for the sake of the HotWingnut readers, who happen to like Napolitano.

sattv4u2 Thu, Jun 24, 2010 7:42:38pm

re: #16 freetoken

Um, no.

If AP were disagreeing with “the judge” he could simply say so. Rather, is is playing ignorant (“don’t get”) on the internet for the sake of the HotWingnut readers, who happen to like Napolitano.

Then why even do it?

It;s not like wingnuts are hanging onto every segment of Sheps show waiting for someone like the judge to come on

IF AP was doing the nudge nudge/ wink wink he’d just ignore the minor appearance altogether

Charles Johnson Thu, Jun 24, 2010 7:42:44pm

re: #14 sattv4u2

Sorry,, but looks as if he’s flat out DISagreeing with the ‘judge”!

Looks like you fell for the spin.

Dark_Falcon Thu, Jun 24, 2010 7:43:05pm

re: #11 Charles

Judge Andrew Napolitano defends BP on Fox News.

Allahpundit desperately tries to find a way to spin it.

[Link: hotair.com…]

Allahpudit does at least sum up the exchange accurately. And he does seem irritated with Napolitano. Just my read.

Charles Johnson Thu, Jun 24, 2010 7:43:41pm

AP’s first sentence:

He’s not really defending BP, actually, just noting that between the liability cap and the feds’ regulatory scheme for drilling, safety incentives for oil companies are, shall we say, sub-optimal.

Right, he’s disagreeing. Uh huh.

Jimmah Thu, Jun 24, 2010 7:43:44pm

Anti-choice campaigners are not going to like this:

‘No foetal pain before 24 weeks’

There is no new evidence to show foetuses feel pain in the womb before 24 weeks, and so no reason to challenge the abortion limit, doctors say.

The Royal College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists’ review said foetuses are “undeveloped and sedated”.

Brain connections are not fully formed, and the environment of the womb creates a state of induced sleep, like unconsciousness, they add.

Anti-abortion campaigners are likely to challenge the reports.

continued:

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk…]

Dr. Shalit Thu, Jun 24, 2010 7:44:27pm

re: #11 Charles

Charles -

#1 BP Owes the USA for their SCREW UP - Of This There is No Doubt! Even Sir Paul McCartney is with that program.

#2 BP is also a corporation owing a Fiduciary Duty to their Shareholders to minimize damages/payouts.

#3 Perhaps the solution is an FDIC approach. Offshore Drillers pay into a Fund as banks do to the FDIC as insurance against the “other guy’s” screw ups.

#4 If this is an acceptable solution, let’s hire some good actuaries and get on with it.

-S-

sattv4u2 Thu, Jun 24, 2010 7:44:43pm

re: #18 Charles

Looks like you fell for the spin.

perhaps, but I’ll stay with #17 for $100, Alex

windsagio Thu, Jun 24, 2010 7:45:00pm

re: #21 Jimmah

Heh, how’d they pull that study off? I’m presuming its not how you first imagine.

Dark_Falcon Thu, Jun 24, 2010 7:45:26pm

re: #16 freetoken

Um, no.

If AP were disagreeing with “the judge” he could simply say so. Rather, is is playing ignorant (“don’t get”) on the internet for the sake of the HotWingnut readers, who happen to like Napolitano.

He’s trying to square the circle: criticize the judge while not alienating his readers. I’m not sympathetic, though: Since he did allow the Bad Craziness to grow there till it overran the place.

Charles Johnson Thu, Jun 24, 2010 7:47:33pm

re: #25 Dark_Falcon

He’s trying to square the circle: criticize the judge while not alienating his readers. I’m not sympathetic, though: Since he did allow the Bad Craziness to grow there till it overran the place.

Allahpundit is a first class scumbag. Sorry. I have no sympathy for this guy. He’s a creep who lets people post comments at Hot Air accusing me of being a child molester.

b_sharp Thu, Jun 24, 2010 7:48:06pm

re: #21 Jimmah

Anti-choice campaigners are not going to like this:

‘No foetal pain before 24 weeks’

continued:

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk…]

It won’t matter Jimmah, it isn’t the pain they pin their argument on, its the ‘humanness’ of the fetus. Even a simple blastocyst should not be aborted because it has a human soul, or because it may/will become a human in the future it should be considered a human at conception.

darthstar Thu, Jun 24, 2010 7:48:38pm

Happy Birthday Bruce Campbell!

Love the soup. Live for the movies.

sattv4u2 Thu, Jun 24, 2010 7:49:28pm

re: #25 Dark_Falcon

He’s trying to square the circle: criticize the judge while not alienating his readers. I’m not sympathetic, though: Since he did allow the Bad Craziness to grow there till it overran the place.

I’ve gone ‘there” perhaps half a dozen times, all a result of something that was posted here 1st. I’ve seen a gamut of far right posts as well as people questioning AP (not many, but a few). Not my cup-o-tea

Charles Johnson Thu, Jun 24, 2010 7:49:46pm

re: #21 Jimmah

Anti-choice campaigners are not going to like this:

‘No foetal pain before 24 weeks’

continued:

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk…]

This won’t matter a bit, because the true agenda of the religious right toward the abortion issue has nothing to do with the fetuses.

It’s all about controlling women. Nothing else. The whole “when does a fetus turn into a human being” argument is a smokescreen.

darthstar Thu, Jun 24, 2010 7:50:01pm

re: #21 Jimmah

I can hear my sperm scream. YEEHAW!!

KingKenrod Thu, Jun 24, 2010 7:50:16pm

The Judge lives in a fantasy world. Following govt regs will never shield you from liability unless the law says you are shielded.

The only thing following regs will do is prevent you from getting fined or sanctioned.

And to answer Allahpundit’s question “How do you coerce a bad actor to behave properly if he’s hell-bent on acting badly?” the answer is simple: make him a non-actor by banning them from drilling and doing business in your country.

Jimmah Thu, Jun 24, 2010 7:50:48pm

re: #24 windsagio

Heh, how’d they pull that study off? I’m presuming its not how you first imagine.

Seems to have been by looking at the development of the neural pathways required for pain to be experienced and observing that they aren’t formed until around 26 weeks.

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk…]

darthstar Thu, Jun 24, 2010 7:50:49pm

re: #31 darthstar

I can hear my sperm scream. YEEHAW!!

Never mind…that was me.

What, me worry? Thu, Jun 24, 2010 7:51:49pm

re: #30 Charles

This won’t matter a bit, because the true agenda of the religious right toward the abortion issue has nothing to do with the fetuses.

It’s all about controlling women. Nothing else. The whole “when does a fetus turn into a human being” argument is a smokescreen.

Amen to that!

swamprat Thu, Jun 24, 2010 7:52:12pm

re: #21 Jimmah

Anti-choice campaigners are not going to like this:

‘No foetal pain before 24 weeks’

continued:

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk…]

It might make things easier, but it doesn’t make them righter.

Dark_Falcon Thu, Jun 24, 2010 7:53:24pm

Also from the BBC:

Bionic feet for amputee cat

darthstar Thu, Jun 24, 2010 7:54:15pm

The death toll from the BP disaster rises to 12.

Sadly, I don’t think this will be the last Gulf captain/worker/resident who kills himself after witnessing the devastation first-hand. My heart goes out to his family.

Dark_Falcon Thu, Jun 24, 2010 7:55:34pm

re: #32 KingKenrod

The Judge lives in a fantasy world. Following govt regs will never shield you from liability unless the law says you are shielded.

The only thing following regs will do is prevent you from getting fined or sanctioned.

And to answer Allahpundit’s question “How do you coerce a bad actor to behave properly if he’s hell-bent on acting badly?” the answer is simple: make him a non-actor by banning them from drilling and doing business in your country.

But that we will not do. Obama won’t go that far because BP’s US operations are too substantial. And if he were to do it, I’d take BP’s side.

Killgore Trout Thu, Jun 24, 2010 7:56:33pm

re: #37 Dark_Falcon

Also from the BBC:

Bionic feet for amputee cat

I can haz feets?

Political Atheist Thu, Jun 24, 2010 7:56:50pm

re: #36 swamprat

It might make things easier, but it doesn’t make them righter.

The precise neural mechanics of pain are something of a work in progress in medicine. The histrionics of the religious right must not lead us to forget that fact. The authors note below shws one good point-

Pediatrics News

Exclusive Author Commentary
Stuart W.G. Derbyshire, 04/15/10

The issue of fetal pain has recently been used to limit access to abortion in the State of Nebraska. This practical development indicates that fetal pain is not just an academic question. So what is the evidence that the fetus feels pain? On the one hand there is neuroscientific evidence that the neural circuits necessary for pain are intact and functional from at least 26 weeks gestation and perhaps from 18 weeks depending on what circuits are considered to be ‘necessary’. The paper in Best Practice looks at the development of neural circuitry in some detail. But the paper also argues that while the neural circuitry is clearly necessary (heads full of sawdust will not feel anything) the neural circuitry might not be sufficient. Pain is generally considered a complex multidimensional experience involving a person that hurts and it is simply implausible to attribute that much experience to the fetus. If we define pain as something less than self-referential experience, being in pain rather than knowing that you are in pain, then perhaps the fetus can be considered to be in pain from around 18-26 weeks gestation. The existence and moral implications of such an ‘experience’ remain highly contentious.

windsagio Thu, Jun 24, 2010 7:57:19pm

re: #39 Dark_Falcon

So what would BP have to do to have their operations banned?

Support terrorists?

sattv4u2 Thu, Jun 24, 2010 7:58:08pm

re: #40 Killgore Trout

I can haz feets?

Not to mention all those rabbits that lost their feet just so your keychain can be ‘lucky”!

Renaissance_Man Thu, Jun 24, 2010 7:58:21pm

Something I do note from the comments to that post are that the cultie trend of defending anything, anything at all, if it can somehow be construed as anti-Obama is alive and well. First it was cheering when Chicago did not win the Olympics. Then it was defending Toyota and their recall, and castigating American car companies because they had been bailed out. And so on. Now it’s defending BP, responsible for an unimaginable economic and environmental catastrophe that directly hurts the US, for no other reason than Obama is criticising them. Anything goes, apparently, including sedition, insubordination, and criminal negligence, as long as it is somehow seen as against the Obama regime.

I had no idea how easy it was to make them hate their country.

Aceofwhat? Thu, Jun 24, 2010 7:58:40pm

re: #16 freetoken

Um, no.

If AP were disagreeing with “the judge” he could simply say so. Rather, is is playing ignorant (“don’t get”) on the internet for the sake of the HotWingnut readers, who happen to like Napolitano.

And it’s still not going down well with the swamp denizens. Ugh, the comments…either unimaginative personal attacks on Shep Smith or wild contradictions of AP’s post.

As AP reaps, so shall AP sow…make a swamp, you get swamp dwellers.

sattv4u2 Thu, Jun 24, 2010 7:59:19pm

re: #42 windsagio

So what would BP have to do to have their operations banned?

Support terrorists?

gross AND repeat violations of laws and industry standards

Boogberg Thu, Jun 24, 2010 7:59:25pm

re: #38 darthstar

The death toll from the BP disaster rises to 12.

Sadly, I don’t think this will be the last Gulf captain/worker/resident who kills himself after witnessing the devastation first-hand. My heart goes out to his family.

This person had issues already, in my opinion.

Dark_Falcon Thu, Jun 24, 2010 7:59:37pm

re: #42 windsagio

So what would BP have to do to have their operations banned?

Support terrorists?

Yep, it would have to be that bad. I’m against what would be effective nationalization, and the fact that it would be Obama doing it would likely cause a case of ODS in me.

b_sharp Thu, Jun 24, 2010 7:59:49pm

re: #43 sattv4u2

Not to mention all those rabbits that lost their feet just so your keychain can be ‘lucky”!

Bet they’re hopping mad about it.

KingKenrod Thu, Jun 24, 2010 8:00:24pm

re: #39 Dark_Falcon

But that we will not do. Obama won’t go that far because BP’s US operations are too substantial. And if he were to do it, I’d take BP’s side.

Give them a couple of years to divest. Ban them from bidding on new leases or operating on new leases.

But yeah, it’s not going to happen.

darthstar Thu, Jun 24, 2010 8:00:30pm

re: #47 Boogberg

This person had issues already, in my opinion.

Show me someone who commits suicide who doesn’t have issues. That doesn’t change the fact that the BP disaster is a psychological strain on people. Fuck.

Gus Thu, Jun 24, 2010 8:01:23pm

re: #11 Charles

Judge Andrew Napolitano defends BP on Fox News.

Allahpundit desperately tries to find a way to spin it.

[Link: hotair.com…]

Followed up of course by the usual homophobic comments regarding Shep Smith.

What, me worry? Thu, Jun 24, 2010 8:01:48pm

re: #37 Dark_Falcon

Also from the BBC:

Bionic feet for amputee cat

$6 Million Kittah!

windsagio Thu, Jun 24, 2010 8:03:16pm

re: #46 sattv4u2

Didn’t they blow up a fuel factory a while ago?

(actually I don’t really want/expect them to get banned, but its always interesting to try to find the edges of the doctrine)

Firstinla Thu, Jun 24, 2010 8:03:47pm

re: #47 Boogberg

And you know this how?

Political Atheist Thu, Jun 24, 2010 8:04:44pm

re: #47 Boogberg

Maybe if they had not ripped his way of life out from under him he could have dealt with his “issues”.

Don’t blame the victim!!!

Aceofwhat? Thu, Jun 24, 2010 8:04:46pm

re: #30 Charles

This won’t matter a bit, because the true agenda of the religious right toward the abortion issue has nothing to do with the fetuses.

It’s all about controlling women. Nothing else. The whole “when does a fetus turn into a human being” argument is a smokescreen.

Ermmm…that’s a point of concern for some of us. But i will take your comment to mean that “the argument is a smokescreen for some” as opposed to “this argument cannot be meaningfully employed”.

Charles Johnson Thu, Jun 24, 2010 8:05:33pm

While Allahpundit was trying his best to make excuses for Judge Napolitano, Napolitano was appearing on the Alex Jones show talking about impeaching President Obama.

Youtube Video

sattv4u2 Thu, Jun 24, 2010 8:07:23pm

re: #54 windsagio

Didn’t they blow up a fuel factory a while ago?

(actually I don’t really want/expect them to get banned, but its always interesting to try to find the edges of the doctrine)

on purpose?!?!?

seriously, they’re dealing with combustable materials here, in quanities you can’t imagine and 24/7/365

Even if they (or any energy concern) were 100% compliant with safety regs, inspections, and compliances there still would be accidents and incidents

I am not absolving BP for what happened in the GULF

I am amazed that throughout history these things (mine explosions,, refinery fires, tanker accidents both via ship and land) don’t happen more

Boogberg Thu, Jun 24, 2010 8:08:10pm

re: #51 darthstar

Show me someone who commits suicide who doesn’t have issues. That doesn’t change the fact that the BP disaster is a psychological strain on people. Fuck.

Well no shit. That doesn’t make BP responsible for this person’s death.

Dark_Falcon Thu, Jun 24, 2010 8:08:53pm

re: #58 Charles

While Allahpundit was trying his best to make excuses for Judge Napolitano, Napolitano was appearing on the Alex Jones show talking about impeaching President Obama.

[Video]

Well, I was not defending that shit Napolitano. I really wish Fox would let Shep tear him a new one for going on Jones’ show.

Aceofwhat? Thu, Jun 24, 2010 8:09:16pm

re: #44 Renaissance_Man

Something I do note from the comments to that post are that the cultie trend of defending anything, anything at all, if it can somehow be construed as anti-Obama is alive and well. First it was cheering when Chicago did not win the Olympics. Then it was defending Toyota and their recall, and castigating American car companies because they had been bailed out. And so on. Now it’s defending BP, responsible for an unimaginable economic and environmental catastrophe that directly hurts the US, for no other reason than Obama is criticising them. Anything goes, apparently, including sedition, insubordination, and criminal negligence, as long as it is somehow seen as against the Obama regime.

I had no idea how easy it was to make them hate their country.

They’re an embarrassment to conservative thinking. I think of them as RINOs, because i’m happy to make my tent small enough to exclude them…

goddamnedfrank Thu, Jun 24, 2010 8:09:20pm

re: #42 windsagio

So what would BP have to do to have their operations banned?

Support terrorists?

Close, but no. They’d just have to fund the construction of a mosque in Manhattan ….

… Directly, they’d have to fund it directly, the fact they already they do so indirectly is intellectually inconvenient. They are the crown jewel of the free market, we should ignore all of the crony capitalist subsidies and socialist military spending that their bottom line depends on. They are John Galt, and they want everyone to live in their ditch.

Jimmah Thu, Jun 24, 2010 8:10:05pm

re: #27 b_sharp

re: #30 Charles

Yep. Iceweasel and I were just talking about how the pain issue is a distraction but nevertheless, this does deny them that particular piece of ammunition.

windsagio Thu, Jun 24, 2010 8:11:53pm

re: #59 sattv4u2

That was actually a scary thought… the Massey explosion was essentially the exact same forces at work (as far as government and corporate culture are concerned).

Are we finally seeing things start ot get really ugly from the decades of deregulation?

Aceofwhat? Thu, Jun 24, 2010 8:12:20pm

re: #58 Charles

I held much derision for the ‘impeach Bush’ crowd. I have just as much for any hint of the same for Obama. What a lunatic.

Dancing along the light of day Thu, Jun 24, 2010 8:12:21pm

re: #51 darthstar

I believe, that people who commit suicide, don’t see any other solution to their problems. It’s very, very sad. I lost a dear friend to suicide, many years ago & it still hurts.

Political Atheist Thu, Jun 24, 2010 8:12:34pm

re: #60 Boogberg

His issues (if any you have merely speculated here) do not absolve them of all blame either. We call this contributing factors, or contributing negligence. Kind of as if you rear ended an injured person in a car. You are responsible for the worsening of the injuries and the consequences, especially if fatal. Even if they were drunk.

darthstar Thu, Jun 24, 2010 8:13:13pm

re: #37 Dark_Falcon

Also from the BBC:

Bionic feet for amputee cat

Those Brits never fail to amaze me. Next thing you know, they’ll give the GOP a leg to stand on.

Great story!

darthstar Thu, Jun 24, 2010 8:13:40pm

re: #60 Boogberg

Well no shit. That doesn’t make BP responsible for this person’s death.

True, but your response does make you sound like an insensitive asshole.

Aceofwhat? Thu, Jun 24, 2010 8:14:12pm

re: #69 darthstar

Those Brits never fail to amaze me. Next thing you know, they’ll give the GOP a leg to stand on.

Yeah…well…yo mama has a pegleg with a kickstand//

darthstar Thu, Jun 24, 2010 8:14:48pm

re: #71 Aceofwhat?

Yeah…well…yo mama has a pegleg with a kickstand//

Kickstand…that wasn’t my nickname in high school. :(

HoosierHoops Thu, Jun 24, 2010 8:17:13pm

re: #67 Floral Giraffe

I believe, that people who commit suicide, don’t see any other solution to their problems. It’s very, very sad. I lost a dear friend to suicide, many years ago & it still hurts.

I lost a dear friend to suicide.. He was going through a divorce and took his life…
I have no words

avanti Thu, Jun 24, 2010 8:18:07pm

re: #11 Charles

Judge Andrew Napolitano defends BP on Fox News.

Allahpundit desperately tries to find a way to spin it.

[Link: hotair.com…]

Wow, the posters on HA are dumping all over Shep, he’s not far right enough for their taste. It was just a accident after all./

sattv4u2 Thu, Jun 24, 2010 8:18:18pm

re: #65 windsagio

That was actually a scary thought… the Massey explosion was essentially the exact same forces at work (as far as government and corporate culture are concerned).

Are we finally seeing things start ot get really ugly from the decades of deregulation?

No. We’re seeing a few things at the same time

There is currently more oil/ gas exploration/ drilling than at any time in our history
WHY!?!? demand
Just a couple of decades ago China didn’t have the demand for oil/gas, nor did India, Pakistan, much of Africa and South America

supply

Insatability in Indonesia, Iraq, etc etc means established wells are shut down for long stretches, meaning to keep up with demand you have to explore places where you normally wouldn’t

That also is partially due to environmentalists. ANWAR was set aside specifically for oil exploration. So far ,, NADA
The NIMBYS don’t want the rigs near the coast (shallow water drilling) so the companies went miles out (deep water).

b_sharp Thu, Jun 24, 2010 8:19:04pm

re: #64 Jimmah

re: #30 Charles

Yep. Iceweasel and I were just talking about how the pain issue is a distraction but nevertheless, this does deny them that particular piece of ammunition.

It is important when trying to determine the point where abortions become difficult to justify legally and morally, but the anti-choice group isn’t concerned with determining that point because they don’t believe there is one. Or rather, they believe that point is at conception.

That study is much more important to those of us concerned with finding a balance between the desires of the mother and the needs of the foetus.

Dancing along the light of day Thu, Jun 24, 2010 8:19:14pm

re: #73 HoosierHoops

Been there, my friend.
{{HH}}

windsagio Thu, Jun 24, 2010 8:20:17pm

re: #75 sattv4u2

nice screed, but doesn’t mean much as a response to what I posted >>

sattv4u2 Thu, Jun 24, 2010 8:21:24pm

re: #73 HoosierHoops

I lost a dear friend to suicide.. He was going through a divorce and took his life…
I have no words

had a 1st cousin that committed suicide

ANYWHO ,,,, could you add a friend of my wives (Rosemary) to the prayer list?
91 y/o woman who has multiple issues, non of which are life threatening, but still,,,,,

b_sharp Thu, Jun 24, 2010 8:22:08pm

re: #67 Floral Giraffe

I believe, that people who commit suicide, don’t see any other solution to their problems. It’s very, very sad. I lost a dear friend to suicide, many years ago & it still hurts.

Each and every option they believe has been removed or moved out of their reach brings them closer to the only option that can’t be removed.

sattv4u2 Thu, Jun 24, 2010 8:22:16pm

re: #78 windsagio

nice screed, but doesn’t mean much as a response to what I posted >>

yes it does. It doesn’t have anything to do with “decades of deregulation”

It does have to do with what my “screed” outlined

Dr. Shalit Thu, Jun 24, 2010 8:24:19pm

re: #35 marjoriemoon

Marge -

Look at it like this:

1. POTENTIAL LIFE - Starts at fertilization. Until birth, it is still “Potential” Life, as many conditions might cause a stillborn.

2. Roe v Wade, a Thirty-Seven Year Old Legal Precedent, recognizes, albeit, imperfectly, where there is OR is NOT a “state interest” regarding reproductive rights. In the First Three (3) Months - NONE!, In the Second Three (3) Months - SOME!, in the LAST Three (3) Months - DETERMINATIVE.

3. Suggestion - Enforce Roe v. Wade on the Trimester Issue - As Originally Intended. FEW, IN FACT VERY FEW WOMEN have no Idea about their menses or pregnancy - Women are NOT That Ignorant - Women ARE after all, by and large, that Female Person who is a man’s sister, mother or wife.
I have had a great Mother, crummy Sister, and a Mercenary (Ex) Wife - and later Women in my life who have helped keep (This) Loony “On The Path.” Overall, the Women in my life have had, in retrospect, “La Mission Civiatrice” in my case, far more than France ever did in their colonies.

Go from there. -S-

Aceofwhat? Thu, Jun 24, 2010 8:24:54pm

re: #76 b_sharp

It is important when trying to determine the point where abortions become difficult to justify legally and morally, but the anti-choice group isn’t concerned with determining that point because they don’t believe there is one. Or rather, they believe that point is at conception.

That study is much more important to those of us concerned with finding a balance between the desires of the mother and the needs of the foetus.

well said…

sattv4u2 Thu, Jun 24, 2010 8:27:16pm

re: #83 Aceofwhat?

well said…

suck-up!
//

swamprat Thu, Jun 24, 2010 8:27:58pm

re: #41 Rightwingconspirator

Great. It’s morally acceptable to kill potential human beings because they feel no pain. That’s wonderful.

And no one questions why we look to terminate our own.
I do not find it to be a good thing. Everything we can to lessen this is good.
Less poverty
Less birth defects
Less social stigma
Less job pressure

This should not be an issue of control. Women who are forced by outside pressures to not bear their own children are not in control of their lives.
Abortion is pragmatic. It is not a good thing.
To make myself perfectly clear; I do not “like” abortion. I do not think it is a good thing that a person ends the life of a potential human being. I understand that some choose to do this and I moun that choice. It is not a bad choice; it is (in my opinion) a sad choice.

I view it as a form of amputation.

I do not ask that others share my view. I do not hold that I have a morally superior take on this issue.

But I mourn. And I have only the best of wishes for those who feel that this is their option.

I really don’t like to post about this so I will not comment any further on this issue.

Aceofwhat? Thu, Jun 24, 2010 8:28:33pm

re: #84 sattv4u2

suck-up!
//

well said!

b_sharp Thu, Jun 24, 2010 8:29:53pm

re: #86 Aceofwhat?

well said!

suck up!

Aceofwhat? Thu, Jun 24, 2010 8:32:52pm

re: #82 Dr. Shalit

civiatrice is not a French word. je ne veux pas qu’on me croi un pêdant, mais a la même fois, c’est clair que vous avez besoin d’un peu d’aide…

Boogberg Thu, Jun 24, 2010 8:33:26pm

re: #68 Rightwingconspirator

His issues (if any you have merely speculated here) do not absolve them of all blame either. We call this contributing factors, or contributing negligence. Kind of as if you rear ended an injured person in a car. You are responsible for the worsening of the injuries and the consequences, especially if fatal. Even if they were drunk.

I understand your point, but this person took his own life. He had options. The collision victim you describe did not.

HoosierHoops Thu, Jun 24, 2010 8:35:44pm

re: #79 sattv4u2

had a 1st cousin that committed suicide

ANYWHO ,,, could you add a friend of my wives (Rosemary) to the prayer list?
91 y/o woman who has multiple issues, non of which are life threatening, but still,,,

Satt! You honestly want me to add a 91 year old to the prayer list that has no health issues?
God Bless you Rosemary…
What about 6 year kids with leukemia that will pass soon asking for a simple little favor? A prayer..A dream?
It hurts some days knowing that our most precious souls pass without even a prayer whispered in their name…

sattv4u2 Thu, Jun 24, 2010 8:41:06pm

re: #90 HoosierHoops

she has MULTIPLE issues,, non are life threatening at the time

Boogberg Thu, Jun 24, 2010 8:42:10pm

re: #70 darthstar

True, but your response does make you sound like an insensitive asshole.

Well I suppose it does. It just makes me angry. Many of us have been through hard times.

HoosierHoops Thu, Jun 24, 2010 8:43:45pm

re: #91 sattv4u2

she has MULTIPLE issues,, non are life threatening at the time

Will do! Love ya dude…
I know I’ll never live to 91..But if I do..You are all mess up..I will rain retirement hell years on you..
*wink*
Regards Satt

b_sharp Thu, Jun 24, 2010 8:47:56pm

re: #89 Boogberg

I understand your point, but this person took his own life. He had options. The collision victim you describe did not.

Did he? Have ever taken a drug that modifies your behaviour? During that time are you truly in control of your choices?

Many cases of clinical depression are due to imbalances in the electro-chemical processes in the brain. If you accept that the brain is the consciousness, rather than believing in a mind-body dualism, then you also recognize the possibility of choices resulting from errors in processing.

Many choices are made before we become consciously aware of them meaning our conscious mind is not totally in control at all times.

Aside from that, the ability to make a choice is determined by the options available. If there is only one option available, then only one choice can be made. Depression does not lead to rational thought which is necessary to see and properly assess multiple options.

b_sharp Thu, Jun 24, 2010 8:50:04pm

re: #92 Boogberg

Well I suppose it does. It just makes me angry. Many of us have been through hard times.

Clinical depression is not the same thing as being through hard times.

What, me worry? Thu, Jun 24, 2010 8:55:23pm

re: #82 Dr. Shalit

Marge -

Look at it like this:

1. POTENTIAL LIFE - Starts at fertilization. Until birth, it is still “Potential” Life, as many conditions might cause a stillborn.

2. Roe v Wade, a Thirty-Seven Year Old Legal Precedent, recognizes, albeit, imperfectly, where there is OR is NOT a “state interest” regarding reproductive rights. In the First Three (3) Months - NONE!, In the Second Three (3) Months - SOME!, in the LAST Three (3) Months - DETERMINATIVE.

3. Suggestion - Enforce Roe v. Wade on the Trimester Issue - As Originally Intended. FEW, IN FACT VERY FEW WOMEN have no Idea about their menses or pregnancy - Women are NOT That Ignorant - Women ARE after all, by and large, that Female Person who is a man’s sister, mother or wife.
I have had a great Mother, crummy Sister, and a Mercenary (Ex) Wife - and later Women in my life who have helped keep (This) Loony “On The Path.” Overall, the Women in my life have had, in retrospect, “La Mission Civiatrice” in my case, far more than France ever did in their colonies.

Go from there. -S-

Doc, you certainly are one of the most unique posters at LGF.

After all, it is the women who populate the species. I’ve always said, if men had to do it, the human race would have been a distant memory.

As far as menses and pregnancy and all that, well I’ll just take what you said as a compliment :)

I’m also really not into the abortion argument this late at night and I’m logging soon anyway, but suffice to say, abortion is largely, if not entirely, about a woman’s right to her own privacy, body and medical needs.

Boogberg Thu, Jun 24, 2010 8:59:42pm

re: #95 b_sharp

Clinical depression is not the same thing as being through hard times.

Agreed. My issue was with darthstar’s portrayal that BP was responsible for this person’s death.

ShaunP Thu, Jun 24, 2010 9:16:07pm

re: #4 windsagio

OT but its a music thread anyways.

Stupid fun free flash game

(instructions and such in movie below)

[Video]

Damn you for posting this… >:(

Slap Fri, Jun 25, 2010 7:20:26am

Had to take a moment and step in to this thread. I know it’s dead, but the subject of the thread…..

Many thanks, Wrenchie and Charles. I had NO idea this was in process.

Those of you who have a problem with the voice, I guess I get it. I’m one of those who believes that singing well has nothing to do with having a tuneful voice — sometimes the two go together, but far less often. But that’s a taste thing. And for my taste, Ry is one of the most fascinating singers I’ve heard — depth, quirkiness, rich personality in the delivery, humor, pain, compassion are all part of the deal. Do I rank him with Mavis Staples, or Otis Redding, or Little Willie John, or the young Peter Green, for example? Not on the pure singer scale, no. But in terms of delivering exactly the vocal that fits the landscape he’s creating, I’d rank him with the best.

As I get older, for whatever reason, the breadth of Ry’s work resonates more and more deeply - from the FDR in Trinidad days, through his glorious soundtracks, and his last 10 LPs at least. Something about the way he reaches into that deep wellspring of the myriad ways we express our souls through music. He’s in a different plane altogether.

Bonnie Raitt has referred to him as the greatest guitar player she’s ever heard, because, in her opinion, NOBODY has a better understanding of what NOT to play. High praise, indeed.

Sorry for the dead drop, but if you bring up Ry, I can’t sit by.

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