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If you say that there are elephants flying in the sky, people are not going to believe you. But if you say that there are four hundred and twenty-five elephants in the sky, people will probably believe you.

Gabriel Garc�a M�rquez

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1 Bagua  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 10:28:33pm

Bussh Cash


- Aidonia
2 Boogberg  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 10:35:27pm

For better or worse, the US has conquered the musical world with hip hop. Dare I say uniquely American? We rule! :D

3 Eclectic Infidel  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 10:36:19pm

I've given up the search for reality; now I'm just looking for a good fantasy

4 Targetpractice  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 10:38:52pm

*muttermuttergrumble* Not only does upgrading my iPod Touch to iOS 4 screw up some of my games, but I find out that because it's only a 2nd gen, I can't utilize the really nifty new features.

5 HypnoToad  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 10:46:57pm

I saw ten thousand stars flying in the sky this last weekend. (Mt. Wilson 60" on globular clusters M5 & M13) It was a good seeing night, the stars were pinpoints.

6 Boogberg  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 10:49:46pm

Hey Charles,

I bought that cheapie orange Kodak for my Niece. She's been bugging me for a camera. I thought the iPod would bite the dust after a few weeks but she keeps surprisingly good care of it.

7 Kragar  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 11:00:35pm

re: #5 HypnoToad

I saw ten thousand stars flying in the sky this last weekend. (Mt. Wilson 60" on globular clusters M5 & M13) It was a good seeing night, the stars were pinpoints.

I still remember the first time some one handed me some NVG in the field and told me to look up. You could see everything.

8 HypnoToad  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 11:18:50pm

There was a thread about the Canon G11 a day ago. I got one a couple of weeks ago and love it. Someone was asking about its low light performance; AWESOME! I did a 15 second exposure on the summer milky way that got much more than the naked eye view of the sky. The galactic bulge along with all the dark dust lanes and a good dozen Messier objects were clearly visible. It would have taken over an hour to do that on good old High Speed Ektachrome. (Yes, I indulged in Jurassic photography)

9 ReamWorks SKG  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 11:22:56pm

Even though I'm gay-married, after seeing ads like this, I'm tempted to go to one of those Churches that will convert me back

[Link: www.flickr.com...]

I can't imagine why/how homosexuals would want to stick their necks out to support Hamas--which advocates the death penalty for homosexuality--at the expense of Israel (which has legal protection for gays and lesbians).

10 Lidane  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 11:32:05pm

Saw this video earlier and I thought it was pretty cool. Who said Americans don't like soccer?

11 Eclectic Infidel  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 11:34:28pm

re: #9 reuven

Even though I'm gay-married, after seeing ads like this, I'm tempted to go to one of those Churches that will convert me back

[Link: www.flickr.com...]

I can't imagine why/how homosexuals would want to stick their necks out to support Hamas--which advocates the death penalty for homosexuality--at the expense of Israel (which has legal protection for gays and lesbians).

The gays and lesbians who insist that Israel is an apartheid and oppressive state are far too ignorant to understand the consequences of their support for "Palestine." This particular crowd is anti-authoritarian and anti-military but fail to realize that Israel, like the U.S., is still the safest place to live for folk of their nature (and yes, I firmly believe that being gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgendered is as naturally occurring as the involuntary act of breathing). Like many people, they have walked into the great debate of Israel/"Palestine" not from the very beginning (pre-1948) but from the Second Intifada; meaning, they care completely ignorant of why Israel has done what it has done to ensure its safety, and they are equally ignorant of the violence and deception perpetuated by Arab nations and organizations. In short, they are products of the new era of passionate politics lacking sorely in facts.

12 freetoken  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 11:38:49pm

quakes...

low roll, not too bad...

13 ReamWorks SKG  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 11:40:15pm

re: #11 eclectic infidel

Another one of the ads this person defaced (and I'm sending a FedEx to the SF Police so they can subpoena flickr and prosecute this person for vandalism) claims that the only reason Israel "claims" to be a welcoming place for G/L/B/T is to deflect attention from their real agenda of oppressing poor little Palestinians.

[Link: www.flickr.com...]

14 AK-47%  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 11:40:54pm

Those whose holy scriptures teach them to belive that elephants can fly are much more likely to give credence to reports of flying elephants.


How about flying dogs?

[Link: www.dailymail.co.uk...]

15 Boogberg  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 11:44:19pm

re: #10 Lidane

That rocked. :D

16 ReamWorks SKG  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 11:44:44pm

re: #14 ralphieboy

Who's scriptures are you talking about? I'm only familiar with the Hebrew bible, and there's the "בהמות" (behemoth) in Job, that IIRC some xtians say is a rhino or an elephant.

And, when I worked for the Walt Disney Company, we had our own scriptures, with our own flying-elephant mythology.

17 ReamWorks SKG  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 11:44:53pm

re: #16 reuven

whose

18 AK-47%  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 11:45:58pm

re: #17 reuven

whose

Whose on first?

19 ReamWorks SKG  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 11:46:44pm

re: #18 ralphieboy

who's

and I'm going to sleep. I'm starting to misspell, so it's time.

20 sattv4u2  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 11:47:42pm

re: #19 reuven

who's

and I'm going to sleep. I'm starting to misspell, so it's time.

thyme?

21 freetoken  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 11:53:00pm

4.2, along the same fault as so many of the others since the big one on Easter:

[Link: earthquake.usgs.gov...]

22 sattv4u2  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 11:54:52pm

re: #21 freetoken

4.2, along the same fault as so many of the others since the big one on Easter:

[Link: earthquake.usgs.gov...]

What did you do that displeased the Gods!?!?

23 freetoken  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 11:56:22pm

re: #22 sattv4u2

It wasn't me.... it was that guy meditating again.

24 AK-47%  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 11:57:48pm

re: #21 freetoken

4.2, along the same fault as so many of the others since the big one on Easter:

[Link: earthquake.usgs.gov...]

It was caused by the impact of all those elphants landing at once.

25 sattv4u2  Thu, Jun 24, 2010 11:59:10pm

re: #23 freetoken

It wasn't me... it was that guy meditating again.

I hear there's lots of self medication out there!!

oh ,wait ,, you said mediTation,,,, nevahmind!

26 engineer cat  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 12:09:04am

while i am working here late to get this part of the project in tonight, i have been listening to this wonderfully entertaining "documentary" on the youtube where a preacher is purporting to tell you the "secrets of how the elites will control the world over the next year" or so. since the whole thing is 3 90 minute segments, i don't think i'll be ruining the plot too much to tell you that there seems to be a curious emphasis on the message that you should Buy Gold Now!, although the overall megillah is 'very entertaining of its kind'...

the thing that i find the most curious about the whole thing is the convergence where not only this well produced sucker bait is selling gold, but of course glen beck has been flogging it as well

why are the persuasive powers of right wing tin foil hat conspiracy industry concentrated so much these days selling gold?

27 Eclectic Infidel  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 12:09:38am

re: #13 reuven

Another one of the ads this person defaced (and I'm sending a FedEx to the SF Police so they can subpoena flickr and prosecute this person for vandalism) claims that the only reason Israel "claims" to be a welcoming place for G/L/B/T is to deflect attention from their real agenda of oppressing poor little Palestinians.

[Link: www.flickr.com...]

This is a sign of oppressing Palestinians?

See:

Since the end of the IDF operation in Gaza (18 Jan 2009) until 5 June 2010, 1,025,686 tons of aid, 49,610 tons of cooking gas and 136,097,330 liters of fuel have been delivered to the Gaza Strip.

and

In 2009 alone, more than 738,000 tons of food and supplies entered Gaza. Pictures in local newspapers show local markets aplenty with fruit, vegetables, cheese, spices, bread and meat to feed 1.4 million Gazans.

Follow the link to educate your friend. (Good Luck)

28 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 12:11:57am

re: #26 engineer dog

why are the persuasive powers of right wing tin foil hat conspiracy industry concentrated so much these days selling gold

The left had already cornered the Tye-Dyed T-Shirt and smoking "accessories" industries years ago!!
/

29 freetoken  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 12:13:36am

re: #26 engineer dog

Ah yes, the "ruling elite"...

Lindsey Williams has been on Alex Jones' show.

Figures.

30 freetoken  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 12:14:21am

re: #26 engineer dog

Speaking of gold, see my new Pages entry. They all love that metal.

31 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 12:17:45am

re: #26 engineer dog

why are the persuasive powers of right wing tin foil hat conspiracy industry concentrated so much these days selling gold

The left had already cornered the Tye-Dyed T-Shirt and smoking "accessories" industries years ago!!
/

32 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 12:18:12am

damn,,,, how'd that happen !?!?

33 engineer cat  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 12:20:10am

re: #30 freetoken

Speaking of gold, see my new Pages entry. They all love that metal.

aha - i see that you are already on the trail of this phenomenon...

but - i say, holmes! - what do you suppose it all means? hmmmm...

34 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 12:21:02am

okay ,, thats weird. I type, I hit "post this comment". The comment appears with a comment # but the comment itself is still in my dialogue box!

35 engineer cat  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 12:21:40am

re: #32 sattv4u2

damn,,, how'd that happen !?!?

that's what you get for mocking The Elites!

bwahahahahah

36 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 12:22:11am

re: #35 engineer dog

that's what you get for mocking The Elites!

bwahahahahah

why would I mock my own kind !?!?!

37 freetoken  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 12:23:07am

re: #33 engineer dog


but - i say, holmes! - what do you suppose it all means? hmmm...


The end is near?

38 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 12:23:58am

re: #26 engineer dog

why are the persuasive powers of right wing tin foil hat conspiracy industry concentrated so much these days selling gold?

You mean their not talking about acapulco gold? Shit, I need to cancel my order, damn man no wonder the price per ounce seemed a little steep....

///

39 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 12:25:35am

re: #37 freetoken

The end is near?

I'd say about 3 feet below the back of my head!

40 Boogberg  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 12:29:23am

Three day weekend. I need something to crank. I just listened to "incense and peppermints". Love that organ!

41 freetoken  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 12:33:37am

re: #26 engineer dog

while i am working here late to get this part of the project in tonight, i have been listening to this wonderfully entertaining "documentary" on the youtube where a preacher is purporting to tell you the "secrets of how the elites will control the world...

Dubai! Dubai!! My God, Dubai!!! Why didn't we figure it out before now!

42 Bagua  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 12:34:56am

re: #30 freetoken

Speaking of gold, see my new Pages entry. They all love that metal.

The idea of gold as a safe haven is not new of course. And the desire to horde gold is a natural instinct for humans. Part of this current surge is companies targeting these retail investors willing to pay advertising revenue to the sites or people recommending them. The more revenue they get the more they promote the gold. This is a chance to make some money through sponsorship as what else can they sell other than books?

43 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 12:39:04am

re: #42 Bagua

The idea of gold as a safe haven is not new of course. And the desire to horde gold is a natural instinct for humans. Part of this current surge is companies targeting these retail investors willing to pay advertising revenue to the sites or people recommending them. The more revenue they get the more they promote the gold. This is a chance to make some money through sponsorship as what else can they sell other than books?

Greek Islands!?!?

[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]

44 freetoken  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 12:41:20am

re: #42 Bagua

Did you know that "gold" is a four letter word?

45 Bagua  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 12:42:06am

re: #43 sattv4u2

Greek Islands!?!?

[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]

Right, and Greek Islands. I forgot about that.

46 engineer cat  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 12:42:11am

well, i'm glad that they are emphatically telling people that complex derivatives are the work of satan

i coulda toldja that!!!

47 Bagua  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 12:43:40am

re: #44 freetoken

Did you know that "gold" is a four letter word?

Yes, it has special properties.

48 freetoken  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 12:44:41am

re: #47 Bagua

"Gold" should have been added to George Carlin's bit - make it the 8th forbidden word.

49 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 12:45:44am

re: #47 Bagua

Yes, it has special properties.

I do too

I have two in Georgia, one in Massachusetts and one in South Carolina,, and land in Alabama

(maybe I can swap them all for one of those Greek isles!)

50 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 12:48:14am

I didn't even know that they had remade "Jesus Christ Superstar" color me shocked. Still, This Jesus Must Die.


51 Bagua  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 12:51:21am

re: #48 freetoken

Thou shall not horde gold re: #49 sattv4u2

Hmm... "land" is also a four letter word. We may be on to something here.

(As part of a balanced portfolio.)

52 freetoken  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 12:52:08am

Wow, that Lindsey Williams has quite the gig going on... I wonder how I could get in on this?

53 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 12:52:58am

re: #51 Bagua

Thou shall not horde gold re: #49 sattv4u2

Hmm... "land" is also a four letter word. We may be on to something here.

(As part of a balanced portfolio.)

ruh roh ,, I's SCREWED

LAND!
HOME!
and for a couple of those I collect
RENT!

54 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 12:53:48am

re: #52 freetoken

Wow, that Lindsey Williams has quite the gig going on... I wonder how I could get in on this?

easy ,, buy gold!

55 Bagua  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 1:01:09am

My own suspicion is that gold prices will collapse in the coming recession. It's a commodity and will drop along with the rest when people realise it is a bubble along with a slow down in consumption.

SELL GOLD!

56 engineer cat  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 1:02:42am

i'm gonna put all my money in tuna fish

and peanut butter

57 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 1:03:26am

re: #55 Bagua

My own suspicion is that gold prices will collapse in the coming recession. It's a commodity and will drop along with the rest when people realise it is a bubble along with a slow down in consumption.

SELL GOLD!

It will drop, but not by much. Those that have bought will hold onto what they have in for the next "crash". Selling soon (after they bought high) makes little to no sense UNLESS they had bought in at $600-$700 and sell relatively soon

58 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 1:04:04am

re: #56 engineer dog

i'm gonna put all my money in tuna fish

and peanut butter

you can tune a piano, but not with peanut butter!

59 Bagua  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 1:07:42am

re: #56 engineer dog

i'm gonna put all my money in tuna fish

and peanut butter

Fascinating, I went long Tuna futures when the oil well blew up.

60 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 1:08:14am

re: #59 Bagua

Fascinating, I went long Tuna futures when the oil well blew up.

I gave up on peanut butter post Carter!

61 freetoken  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 1:10:37am

Oil is priced in dollars!

62 freetoken  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 1:11:12am

Financial deficit spending is awash in paper!

63 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 1:11:37am

re: #61 freetoken

Oil is priced in dollars!

The albino squirrel sits on a bench!

64 Bagua  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 1:11:38am

re: #57 sattv4u2

It will drop, but not by much. Those that have bought will hold onto what they have in for the next "crash". Selling soon (after they bought high) makes little to no sense UNLESS they had bought in at $600-$700 and sell relatively soon

Bagua's Crystal Ball™ says to sell short gold at $1,240. Once it reaches $600 buy it back for a $640 profit.

65 Boogberg  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 1:13:13am

One of the top three guitarists in the world:

That was back then though.

66 freetoken  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 1:13:48am

re: #63 sattv4u2

I'm just relating to you what Lindsey Williams claims the "buzzwords" were that the elite told him!

They're supposed to mean something to you.

67 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 1:13:58am

re: #65 Boogberg

One of the top three guitarists in the world:


[Video]That was back then though.

I swear he must have had 8 fingers on each hand

68 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 1:14:23am

re: #66 freetoken

I'm just relating to you what Lindsey Williams claims the "buzzwords" were that the elite told him!

They're supposed to mean something to you.

umm,, scuse me !?!?!

69 freetoken  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 1:17:24am

re: #68 sattv4u2

umm,, scuse me !?!?!

You are one of the elite, aren't you?

70 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 1:18:25am

re: #69 freetoken

You are one of the elite, aren't you?

that's The Elite to you!

71 freetoken  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 1:18:34am

The Health Care bill!

72 Bagua  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 1:18:44am

re: #69 freetoken

You are one of the elite, aren't you?

Heh, you got him there.

73 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 1:18:59am

re: #71 freetoken

The Health Care bill sucks!


ftfy!!
/

74 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 1:19:49am

re: #72 Bagua

Heh, you got him there.

didn't recognize it without the capitalizations!!!

75 Bagua  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 1:20:06am

re: #70 sattv4u2

that's The Elite to you!

Now that you've broken your confidentiality agreement you will be getting a phone call.

76 engineer cat  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 1:22:50am

i'm afraid i've checked in my project for the night before the apocalypse happened and now i'm gonna have to wait for tomorrow to be enslaved by the elites

later...

77 freetoken  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 1:23:39am

Afghanistan! Pakistan! Yemen!

78 ryannon  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 1:24:14am

re: #26 engineer dog

while i am working here late to get this part of the project in tonight, i have been listening to this wonderfully entertaining "documentary" on the youtube where a preacher is purporting to tell you the "secrets of how the elites will control the world over the next year" or so. since the whole thing is 3 90 minute segments, i don't think i'll be ruining the plot too much to tell you that there seems to be a curious emphasis on the message that you should Buy Gold Now!, although the overall megillah is 'very entertaining of its kind'...

the thing that i find the most curious about the whole thing is the convergence where not only this well produced sucker bait is selling gold, but of course glen beck has been flogging it as well

why are the persuasive powers of right wing tin foil hat conspiracy industry concentrated so much these days selling gold?

It's a lot like the real-estate business before the crash: for the moment, everyone stands to make money on creating a bubble.

79 freetoken  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 1:25:27am

The Chinese are the strong ones!

80 Boogberg  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 1:26:02am

re: #67 sattv4u2

re: #67 sattv4u2

They had that album playing on the record store turntable back in the day and I immediately bought the half-speed mastered album. Man, talk about sweet sounding! CDs were still a glimmer in some geeks eyes. :)

81 ryannon  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 1:27:37am

re: #47 Bagua

Yes, it has special properties.

Yes, Jews hoard it, so it must be valuable. It's also possible that they make it using ancient alchemical secrets.

What an exciting thing to own!

82 freetoken  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 1:29:29am

Inflation! Big!

/heh, this guy's got some real prophecy going on...

83 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 1:30:33am

re: #82 freetoken

Inflation! Big!

/heh, this guy's got some real prophecy going on...

sometimes, the obvious must be stated

(not everyone listens the 1st 20 or so times)!

84 freetoken  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 1:31:40am

In the immediate, no relief!

/that was the seventh, and last, magic buzzword that you Elites keep uttering.

85 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 1:33:41am

re: #80 Boogberg

re: #67 sattv4u2

They had that album playing on the record store turntable back in the day and I immediately bought the half-speed mastered album. Man, talk about sweet sounding! CDs were still a glimmer in some geeks eyes. :)

His collaborations with Chick Corea, Stanley Clark, Al Di Meola along with various others and vocalists was mesmerizing

Saw them (Return to Forever) back in Boston in the 70's

86 AK-47%  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 1:34:08am

re: #81 ryannon

Yes, Jews hoard it, so it must be valuable. It's also possible that they make it using ancient alchemical secrets.

What an exciting thing to own!

The point is that it is always going to have (and retain) a certain inherent value, regardless of how high the market pumps up the price.

87 ryannon  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 1:35:34am

re: #86 ralphieboy

The point is that it is always going to have (and retain) a certain inherent value, regardless of how high the market pumps up the price.

Sure, so will lead.

What's your point again?

88 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 1:38:22am

re: #87 ryannon

Sure, so will lead.

What's your point again?

Ones not needed

It's the overnight crowd !!!

89 ryannon  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 1:40:04am

re: #86 ralphieboy

The point is that it is always going to have (and retain) a certain inherent value, regardless of how high the market pumps up the price.

I'm not being hostile here. It's just that the 'inherent value' is always arbitrary. At one point not long ago, you could pick up gold for a few hundred dollars an ounce. Today, it's around $1,200. It will never be totally worthless, but then again, neither will be any other metal, precious or otherwise. Even empty Coca-Cola cans have an inherent value. Gold just happens to be on top of the precious metals pyramid and has all sorts of romantic and aesthetic associations.

90 ryannon  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 1:41:54am

re: #88 sattv4u2

Ones not needed

It's the overnight crowd !!!

Ain't it da troof!

It's the best time on this forum, with all the best people!

91 ryannon  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 1:43:05am

All five of them.

ZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz....

92 Boogberg  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 1:43:17am

re: #85 sattv4u2

My best friend was all into Jimmy Page and Zeppelin and thought Jimmy was the best. Oh Noez! He's like 'Damn. Who's that?' lol

93 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 1:44:03am

re: #90 ryannon

Ain't it da troof!

It's the best time on this forum, with all the best people!

I'll have to leave, then

94 ryannon  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 1:45:55am

No!

If you're here, you're automatically one of the best.

95 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 1:46:22am

re: #92 Boogberg

then

Image: 1033.jpg

and more recent

Image: 539w.jpg

96 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 1:47:17am

re: #94 ryannon

No!

If you're here, you're automatically one of the best.

And all this time I thought it was because i drew the short straw and pulled the overnight shift at work for several months!

97 ryannon  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 1:47:26am

We are the Keepers of the Sacred Forum Flame which must never go out. We are an elite group!

ZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

98 ryannon  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 1:48:47am

re: #95 sattv4u2

then

Image: 1033.jpg

and more recent

Image: 539w.jpg

Those guys need to avoid Arizona.

99 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 2:12:28am

re: #98 ryannon

Those guys need to avoid Arizona.

Why ,, they're all legal

Now these guys ,, not so much !!
Image: illegal-immigrants-jumping-border-fence.jpg

100 Boogberg  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 2:14:42am

Is that Eric Clapton? One of the three! :D

101 AK-47%  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 2:16:08am

re: #89 ryannon

Gold just happens to be on top of the precious metals pyramid and has all sorts of romantic and aesthetic associations.

Gold has advantages over lead and other metals in that it is non-toxic, relatively easy to store and transport and has a nearly unlimited shelf life.

102 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 2:17:10am

re: #101 ralphieboy

Gold has advantages over lead and other metals in that it is non-toxic, relatively easy to store and transport and has a nearly unlimited shelf life.

Plus it looks a lot better as 'bling"!

103 Boogberg  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 2:35:55am

Wake your asses up, dammit! I'm off today and ready to debate.

104 Boogberg  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 2:51:51am

Alright you bastards

105 BARACK THE VOTE  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 3:00:54am

Apologies if this has been posted....I'm not the kind of person who typically watches baby videos, but this is one of the cutest things I've ever seen: Excited Dog and Baby Playing

I found myself getting hyperanxious that the dog would get too excited and nip the baby, or the baby would bump his head on the table at one point-- but it's all good.

At the very end the dog creeps up to the baby and licks him very gently on the face. Totally adorable.

/this had damn well better not be a latent nesting instinct. Damn you Jimmah! Damn yoooou! :-)

106 Boogberg  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 3:07:18am

Lol!:D

I'm imagining a sheep dog herding babies. :D

107 AK-47%  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 3:19:45am

re: #105 iceweasel

Apologies if this has been posted...I'm not the kind of person who typically watches baby videos, but this is one of the cutest things I've ever seen: Excited Dog and Baby Playing

[Video]

I found myself getting hyperanxious that the dog would get too excited and nip the baby, or the baby would bump his head on the table at one point-- but it's all good.

At the very end the dog creeps up to the baby and licks him very gently on the face. Totally adorable.

/this had damn well better not be a latent nesting instinct. Damn you Jimmah! Damn yooou! :-)

Only problem I have is with the pacifier. I mean, I thought one stuffs it in a kid's mouth to keep it from making noise. An obvious fail in this case...

108 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 3:27:05am

Good Morning Lizards!

Ice, Great vid. I love the cackle a laughing baby makes.

Off to work. Happy Friday to All Lizards!

109 freetoken  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 3:28:24am

re: #105 iceweasel

Knew a family who once had a Shelty, and it was wonderful with the babies. They appear to be very good dogs to be around children.

Oh, and that table - yes, one day that kid is going to hit one of those corners. I can't stand "coffee tables", especially the type in the video, and have refused to ever have one in my dwellings. Yeah, call me weird, but that type of furniture doesn't seem to serve any purpose but to be shin damager.

110 freetoken  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 3:30:23am

Beware The Elite!

111 BARACK THE VOTE  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 3:35:56am

re: #109 freetoken

Knew a family who once had a Shelty, and it was wonderful with the babies. They appear to be very good dogs to be around children.

Oh, and that table - yes, one day that kid is going to hit one of those corners. I can't stand "coffee tables", especially the type in the video, and have refused to ever have one in my dwellings. Yeah, call me weird, but that type of furniture doesn't seem to serve any purpose but to be shin damager.

The dog is gorgeous, and he does seem to be good with the baby-- having no dog and no baby, I'm probably hyperanxious about it. Don't have the experience.

There is that one point near the end when the baby is crawling near and under the table's edge where if I'd been there I'd probably have wanted to lurch forward and grab him. Little head too close to sharp edge!

The baby's laugh is just so sweet though. Anyway, thought it might be a nice thing to start off people's day.
(h/t balloon juice for vid)

112 AK-47%  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 3:39:16am

re: #109 freetoken

Knew a family who once had a Shelty, and it was wonderful with the babies. They appear to be very good dogs to be around children.

Oh, and that table - yes, one day that kid is going to hit one of those corners. I can't stand "coffee tables", especially the type in the video, and have refused to ever have one in my dwellings. Yeah, call me weird, but that type of furniture doesn't seem to serve any purpose but to be shin damager.

I still have a 1/4" dent in the middle of my forehead, a souveneir of when I took my first steps as a baby, and bashed it open on the corner of the damn coffee table!

113 ryannon  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 3:39:54am

re: #110 freetoken

Beware The Elite!

The Elite doesn't see anything to be-ware of.

Unless you mean coffee tables.

114 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 3:41:50am

re: #113 ryannon

The Elite doesn't see anything to be-ware of.

Unless you mean coffee tables.

In the future, only the TRUE Elite will have coffee tables ,,,

115 ryannon  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 3:43:38am

re: #114 sattv4u2

In the future, only the TRUE Elite will have coffee tables ,,,

And coffee too?

116 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 3:45:13am

re: #112 ralphieboy

I still have a 1/4" dent in the middle of my forehead, a souveneir of when I took my first steps as a baby, and bashed it open on the corner of the damn coffee table!

Coffee tables have taken out as many kids as monkey bars have.

117 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 3:45:25am

re: #115 ryannon

And coffee too?

coffee is for peasants

118 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 3:46:09am

re: #116 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Coffee tables have taken out as many kids as monkey bars have.

kids are wimps today because of the lack of monkey bars on playgrounds

119 Boogberg  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 3:50:26am

re: #118 sattv4u2

Oak trees were our monkey bars. Anything to get elevated from where you were. :)

120 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 3:52:19am

re: #119 Boogberg

Oak trees were our monkey bars. Anything to get elevated from where you were. :)

getting "high" in my neighborhood meant something WAY different!

121 Boogberg  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 3:58:09am

re: #120 sattv4u2

Oh I remember well. It was a high school kid who corrupted me. He'd roll joints on his parent's coffee table after school.

122 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 3:59:40am

re: #120 sattv4u2

getting "high" in my neighborhood meant something WAY different!

He must have been an elitist

We did ours by the monkey bars

123 Boogberg  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 4:03:03am

Futures are up a pubic hair. Could go either way.

124 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 4:04:26am

re: #123 Boogberg

Futures are up a pubic hair. Could go either way.

huh?? they've been down between 3-17 points all morning (-5 right now)

125 Boogberg  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 4:07:11am

re: #124 sattv4u2

Well SPY is trading just a tad over even right now.

126 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 4:17:49am

OK,

I'm back. I know you guys missed me, but let's just carry on.

Still talking about GOLD!!!11!! or have we moved on to SEEDS!!11!! ?
//

127 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 4:18:53am

re: #126 rwdflynavy

Coffee tables.

128 Boogberg  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 4:19:38am

Which is a better conductor of electricity? Gold or copper?

129 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 4:19:40am

re: #127 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Coffee tables.

Is that the cool new place for conservatives to stash our cash?
//

130 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 4:20:38am

FBV,
I was glad to hear that the hospital is providing your daughter's boyfriend's care for free.

Isn't that 4 years early?//

131 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 4:20:58am

heh ,, reading comments about the Al Gore/ Massuese story

He will blame it on Gonad Warming.

132 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 4:21:00am

re: #129 rwdflynavy

Is that the cool new place for conservatives to stash our cash?
//

Nah, just another form of population reduction without all the pesky ethical/moral questions.

133 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 4:21:58am

re: #130 rwdflynavy

They were going to have to do it for free anyway.... may as well save all the billing and Patient Accounts personnel expense.

134 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 4:23:11am

re: #131 sattv4u2

Can you hear Al Gore getting it?

Shudder...

135 ReamWorks SKG  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 4:23:47am

re: #123 Boogberg

I BELIEVE ANITA! (To bring this back to the subject of SCOTUS nominations)

136 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 4:23:52am

re: #134 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Can you hear Al Gore getting it?

Shudder...

He should have kept it in what I like to call a "lock box".

137 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 4:24:04am

re: #131 sattv4u2

heh ,, reading comments about the Al Gore/ Massuese story

He will blame it on Gonad Warming.

another

This story will not have a happy ending

138 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 4:24:26am

re: #137 sattv4u2

another

This story will not have a happy ending

and
Now we know what they meant when they said Al was wooden.

139 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 4:26:59am

re: #138 sattv4u2

and
Now we know what they meant when they said Al was wooden.

and

Big Al mistook her for his Nobel "Piece" Prize

140 Boogberg  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 4:27:04am

re: #135 reuven

I BELIEVE ANITA! (To bring this back to the subject of SCOTUS nominations)

I believe Anita too. I believe Anita 'nother beer. :D

141 ReamWorks SKG  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 4:27:28am

re: #112 ralphieboy

If you had been the child of a Cabinet Member, rectangular or square coffee tables would have been outlawed!

Don't believe me? Google: "The Virginia Graeme Baker Pool and Spa Safety Act"

(I don't know if I should add the sarcasm /// to avoid being flamed here! I never know with this crowd.)

142 ReamWorks SKG  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 4:31:22am

re: #64 Bagua

If you've been buying it, it's certainly time to stop, using the "stop when everyone's talking about it" rule of investing.

143 SixDegrees  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 4:35:01am

re: #128 Boogberg

Copper is about the best conductor you can find. Silver is somewhat better, but not enough to justify its additional cost.

Gold, in fact, isn't a very good conductor compared to other metals. It does have the advantage of being almost completely corrosion and oxidation resistant, so what conductivity it has is retained unchanged with age, while copper connectors can lose much of their conductivity as a copper oxide film develops.

In real-world applications, though, this isn't a legitimate concern. Connectors are typically hard, cleanable and conductive enough to satisfy all reasonable requirements, and the advantages of precious metals nowhere near outweigh their enormous costs.

144 Boogberg  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 4:35:03am

re: #141 reuven

Can you post the relevant bits?

145 SixDegrees  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 4:37:46am

re: #142 reuven

If you've been buying it, it's certainly time to stop, using the "stop when everyone's talking about it" rule of investing.

Like bagua, I've been seriously considering taking a short position on gold, although I'm not sure if the potential return is worthwhile. If I can find a double-short fund, it might be a fun, if slightly speculative, risk.

146 Boogberg  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 4:38:39am

Dick Bove just said buy banks! Citigroup is nice and cheap.

147 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 4:39:19am

heeee's BAAA-AAcckkk


Eliot Spitzer hooks CNN gig
[Link: www.bostonherald.com...]

148 laZardo  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 4:40:19am

Evening Honcos.

For those who weren't here earlier, it's been sixty years of a war truly without end...

149 laZardo  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 4:41:04am

re: #146 Boogberg

Dick Bove just said buy banks! Citigroup is nice and cheap.

And be complicit in the oncoming double-dip recession?

/old joke by now...

150 ryannon  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 4:42:14am

re: #128 Boogberg

Which is a better conductor of electricity? Gold or copper?

Gold, of course. Thanks to my gold fillings, I get 120 channels of HDTV right in my haid!

151 Boogberg  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 4:42:33am

re: #143 SixDegrees

That's what I thought. Gold plated patch cord connectors are a crock of shit.

152 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 4:42:50am

re: #147 sattv4u2

heee's BAAA-AAcckkk


Eliot Spitzer hooks CNN gig
[Link: www.bostonherald.com...]

I guess he couldn't get Abramoff's sweet pizza gig...//

153 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 4:43:48am

re: #143 SixDegrees

Copper is about the best conductor you can find. Silver is somewhat better, but not enough to justify its additional cost.

Gold, in fact, isn't a very good conductor compared to other metals. It does have the advantage of being almost completely corrosion and oxidation resistant, so what conductivity it has is retained unchanged with age, while copper connectors can lose much of their conductivity as a copper oxide film develops.

In real-world applications, though, this isn't a legitimate concern. Connectors are typically hard, cleanable and conductive enough to satisfy all reasonable requirements, and the advantages of precious metals nowhere near outweigh their enormous costs.

But non-hybrid gold is a better conductor...
//

154 Boogberg  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 4:44:12am

re: #150 ryannon

Gilligan! :D

155 ryannon  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 4:44:34am

re: #151 Boogberg

That's what I thought. Gold plated patch cord connectors are a crock of shit.

120 channels, cable included, I'm telling ya'!

156 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 4:45:19am

re: #153 rwdflynavy

But non-hybrid gold is a better conductor...
//

BEST conductor

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

157 ReamWorks SKG  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 4:46:17am

re: #145 SixDegrees

I'm actually a bit of a gold bug, having been slowly accumulating some physical gold over the past couple of decades, and I have much more in exchange-traded gold and silver (i.e., GLD, etc). It's just not practical to hold a lot of physical gold.

I've stop accumulating, and have moved it to a "hold"

IMHO Gold isn't an investment--it only serves two purposes:

1. WTSHTF scenario. I'm not *that* concerned, but I do have to realize that all 4 of my grandparents had to get up and move all of a sudden back in their day. (2 came via what's now Lithuania, 1 from Belarus, and 1 was kicked out of Gaza City in 1929--that makes me a "Palestinian Refugee" but for the fact I'm the wrong religion, but that's a whole 'nother discussion.) This, of course, is what the physical gold is good for.

2. As "shock absorbers" for your portfolio. In theory, it should go up when the dollar drops. This is what the exchange-traded gold (not mining stocks) is good for. However, IMHO, the prices have risen more than they should have. Our stock market, too, is dangerously overpriced by historical standards, but since the Government is holding interest rates artificially low there aren't many options.)

158 ReamWorks SKG  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 4:51:41am

re: #144 Boogberg

[Link: www.poolsafety.gov...]

The backstory: "The act was named after the granddaughter of Secretary of State James A. Baker III, whose life was cut tragically short by a suction entrapment in a family spa during a birthday party. She didn't need to die to pass this law, but she will be forever remembered."

It was a tragic accident, but this was a 7-year old girl, unattended in a HOT TUB. (I just sent my lawyer an email to see if he can search for any lawsuit against the tub's manufacturer.) As the owner of a hot tub (I am a Californian, after all), I can tell you they warn you up/down/left/right about leaving kids unattended in these.

Anyway, I have a law I'd love to see passed. Let's call it "Reuven's Law". It prevents people from naming laws after dead little girls.

(And, no, people, I'm not heartless. I just don't believe in overreaction to a tragedy.)

159 Boogberg  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 5:01:57am

re: #158 reuven

I hear ya. Here in Florida, we lose roughly one kid per year because of unsupervised children + swimming pools.

160 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 5:03:21am

Man Admits Killing Neighbor With Knife, Fork

[Link: www.wsbtv.com...]

I wonder if he had his napkin tucked into his collar or had it on his lap??

161 ReamWorks SKG  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 5:05:18am

re: #159 Boogberg

You, personally, lose 1 child/year? Because it's MUCH more than 1/year statewide

Florida has the highest drowning death rate in the US for children ages 1-4 years (8.9/100,000) and during 1999-2003 recorded 356 unintentional drowning deaths among children in this age group. In children under age 5, swimming pool drownings are most common (68%).This study reports information about 58 swimming pool deaths in children ages 1-4 based on data collected from investigations completed by the Consumer Product Safety Commission during 2003-2006.

Source: [Link: apha.confex.com...]

Of couse, Florida will spend much more money trying to protect against the 0.5 death a year from children being abducted by strangers and murdered than they will for the ~100+ kids a year who die in swimming pools. You have to have your priorities.

162 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 5:11:09am

re: #161 reuven

You, personally, lose 1 child/year? Because it's MUCH more than 1/year statewide


Source: [Link: apha.confex.com...]

Of couse, Florida will spend much more money trying to protect against the 0.5 death a year from children being abducted by strangers and murdered than they will for the ~100+ kids a year who die in swimming pools. You have to have your priorities.

I have had a hot tub in the past (and hope to get another one this fall) and took excessive precautions to keep my kids out unsupervised (I installed eye-bolts and used ratcheting straps to strap the top down). There is no excuse for something like this happening in a hot tub. Pools are trickier, but there are plenty of things you can do to keep kids out when adults aren't out.

163 Boogberg  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 5:11:59am

re: #161 reuven

Yeah that's pretty pathetic. Parenting test anyone? I'd consider it.

164 ryannon  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 5:13:09am

re: #162 rwdflynavy

I have had a hot tub in the past (and hope to get another one this fall) and took excessive precautions to keep my kids out unsupervised (I installed eye-bolts and used ratcheting straps to strap the top down). There is no excuse for something like this happening in a hot tub. Pools are trickier, but there are plenty of things you can do to keep kids out when adults aren't out.

Alligators are cheap and easy to come by in Florida.

165 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 5:13:43am

re: #164 ryannon

Alligators are cheap and easy to come by in Florida.

Tasty too!

166 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 5:14:23am

re: #161 reuven

100+ kids a year comes out to about 1 every 3-4 days, but because of the nature of the accident they are more likely than not a local story, not statewide (unless it's someone famous).

When some scumsucker abducts a child and commits murder, it's a bigger "story" almost BECAUSE it (Thank God) doesn't happen often

Dog bites man
Man bites dog

167 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 5:14:56am

re: #164 ryannon

Alligators are cheap and easy to come by in Florida.

Usually around last call time!!
/

168 ryannon  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 5:19:28am

re: #167 sattv4u2

Usually around last call time!!
/

Speaking of which, the Day Shift should be coming on line soon....

169 ReamWorks SKG  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 5:20:45am

And I got to get to work...and it's FRIDAY!

Good Shabbos, everyone, and catch y'all Sunday

170 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 5:21:18am

re: #165 rwdflynavy

Tasty too!

surprisingly, they are (albeit, if cooked properly)

I have a condo in the South Carolina "low country" and many restaurants there serve it in one form or another

The condo is overlooking a pond on a golf course. There are at least 2 gators living in the pond. If you lose a ball in that water hazard, just hit another!

171 laZardo  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 5:29:58am

From (a chat-generated-from-a-database) FML:

Today, I was home on leave and having breakfast with my parents and my younger brothers. I guess I got too used to the rougher language around the Army barracks where I'm stationed. At the breakfast table I asked my Mom to "pass me the F*ing butter". FML
Agreed: 15099 Deserved it: 41237

172 Boogberg  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 5:31:38am

re: #171 laZardo

Ack! lol

173 Boogberg  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 5:36:43am

My Mom hates the word 'fuck'. When I use it in her presence, she knows I'm pissed.

174 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 5:38:14am

re: #173 Boogberg

My Mom hates the word 'fuck'. When I use it in her presence, she knows I'm pissed.

heh,, mine knew to keep her ear away from my bedroom door!!!
//

175 Boogberg  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 5:43:11am

re: #174 sattv4u2

My Mom tore my bedroom door down with a hammer because I refused her demands to open it. It was a rebellious teenager thing. :D

176 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 5:43:54am

re: #175 Boogberg

My Mom tore my bedroom door down with a hammer because I refused her demands to open it. It was a rebellious teenager thing. :D

you had a teenage mother?

177 SixDegrees  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 5:44:21am

re: #162 rwdflynavy

I have had a hot tub in the past (and hope to get another one this fall) and took excessive precautions to keep my kids out unsupervised (I installed eye-bolts and used ratcheting straps to strap the top down). There is no excuse for something like this happening in a hot tub. Pools are trickier, but there are plenty of things you can do to keep kids out when adults aren't out.

Agree. Sadly, this summer - like every summer I can remember - a few children will be roasted alive in parked cars, left there "just for a minute" while their caretakers went about their business elsewhere. The most depressing thing about these incidents is the senseless repetition; as a parent, wouldn't hearing about such a thing just once keep you from ever doing such a thing yourself?

The lesson that responsibility begins with yourself seems to be a hard one for some.

178 Boogberg  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 5:45:43am

re: #176 sattv4u2

Almost. I think she was 21 when I was born, smartass.

179 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 5:48:28am

re: #177 SixDegrees

Agree. Sadly, this summer - like every summer I can remember - a few children will be roasted alive in parked cars, left there "just for a minute" while their caretakers went about their business elsewhere. The most depressing thing about these incidents is the senseless repetition; as a parent, wouldn't hearing about such a thing just once keep you from ever doing such a thing yourself?

The lesson that responsibility begins with yourself seems to be a hard one for some.

infuriating!

At best, that caretaker should be in a non air-conditioned southern state prison for the rest of their time

I'd get myself banned if I typed what I would really want the punishment to be.

180 Boogberg  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 5:53:50am

re: #177 SixDegrees

as a parent, wouldn't hearing about such a thing just once keep you from ever doing such a thing yourself?

Damn right it would. We still get the same tired excuses though. "Momentary lapse of reason". Then when you go to prosecute, it's "haven't these poor parents suffered enough?" Parenting test. You fail the test, your children are confiscated.

181 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 5:56:20am

OT/ RANDOM THOUGHT (actually overheard on a radio talk show)

All those people in the country calling on a ban of BP. Think 1st, please

BP has stated many times it will pay FULLY for all damages. Now, whether they do is another story, BUT, wouldn't carrying out a ban on them HINDER them in doing that?
AND, if they do take a huge hit due to a ban, what follows. Bankruptcy?
AND,, if they go bankrupt/ out of business, who DOES pay all the damages?

hmmm,,not them ,,, hmmm,,, ruh roh ,,, US ,, yup, the very people that participated in the BAN .

Good Thinking !!!

182 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 5:57:53am

re: #180 Boogberg

Damn right it would. We still get the same tired excuses though. "Momentary lapse of reason". Then when you go to prosecute, it's "haven't these poor parents suffered enough?" Parenting test. You fail the test, your children are confiscated.

how bout you pass the test BEFORE you have the kid(s)

You can't drive BEFORE you take the test
You can't practice law BEFORE you pass the bar

//(somewhat)

183 Boogberg  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 5:59:08am

re: #181 sattv4u2

I'm thinking of buying some $20 strike puts.

184 Boogberg  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 6:03:25am

re: #182 sattv4u2

No, you can't control peoples' reproduction you sick bastard. But you damn sure can legislate after the kid is born. :D

185 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 6:08:44am

Good Morning Staters, Conflaters and G8ers

186 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 6:09:29am

I see Hot Air is covering the bogus bomb story this morning.

187 Boogberg  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 6:12:06am

re: #185 Spare O'Lake

Mornin'

188 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 6:14:06am

re: #185 Spare O'Lake

Good Morning Staters, Conflaters and G8ers

What's shakin', my Canadian bacon?

189 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 6:14:43am

re: #186 Killgore Trout

How're the tads?

190 Daniel Ballard  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 6:16:25am

re: #5 HypnoToad

I was there too. They had some problem with the tracking electronics, and rolled out the smaller telescopes and set them up around the Copernicus statue. Sunday was a great night sky. Griffith Observatory is a must see place.

191 Boogberg  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 6:16:51am

I'm glad the President supports credit card reform. If you've ever slogged through a "cardholder agreement", you know what an absolute crock of shit it is.

192 lawhawk  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 6:19:41am

re: #180 Boogberg

One Slip. Because it's a momentary lapse of reason...

193 Boogberg  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 6:21:53am

re: #192 lawhawk

Love me some Floyd, Bro. Thanks! :)

194 Daniel Ballard  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 6:21:58am

re: #168 ryannon

Speaking of which, the Day Shift should be coming on line soon...


*sound of punch card machine*
Okay I'm clocked in. Good Morning.

195 Daniel Ballard  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 6:24:12am

re: #192 lawhawk

I like to follow that up with some Genesis , from their progressive days...

196 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 6:24:22am

re: #194 Rightwingconspirator

*sound of punch card machine*
Okay I'm clocked in. Good Morning.

Hey, RWC.
Did you get my e-mails from yesterday?
Were they helpful?

197 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 6:25:33am

re: #189 MandyManners

How're the tads?

We've had some warmer and sunny weather here the past few days and they're growing fast. Most of them have back legs now and some of them are starting to take on a frog-like shape. I'm trying to catch photos of their development but it's really hard to get good quality pics.

198 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 6:25:46am

re: #189 MandyManners

How're the tads?

How is your Mom?

199 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 6:27:25am

re: #197 Killgore Trout

We've had some warmer and sunny weather here the past few days and they're growing fast. Most of them have back legs now and some of them are starting to take on a frog-like shape. I'm trying to catch photos of their development but it's really hard to get good quality pics.

I wanna' see!

200 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 6:30:38am

re: #199 MandyManners

I wanna' see!

I think the hardest pic to get is going to be a completed frog. Once they start wandering around the garden they're going to be very difficult to find. I'll see what i can do.

201 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 6:30:50am

re: #198 reine.de.tout

How is your Mom?

She's on oxygen at times when her monitor shows her levels are down and she rarely goes outside. From what I can tell, she's drinking cough syrup like crazy.

202 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 6:30:59am

re: #197 Killgore Trout

re: #199 MandyManners

I wanna' see!

I wanna leg!

204 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 6:31:57am

re: #200 Killgore Trout

I think the hardest pic to get is going to be a completed frog. Once they start wandering around the garden they're going to be very difficult to find. I'll see what i can do.

Itty-bitty tracking chips?

205 Ojoe  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 6:32:31am

Sharon Angle, Ms. "people on unemployment are spoiled"
Has top billing over at Newsmax right now.

I did not read the article all the way to see if it features her fine regard of the jobless, 'cause I can't stand those kind of s**t political articles.

Anyway, good morning.

206 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 6:32:33am

re: #202 sattv4u2

re: #199 MandyManners

I wanna leg!

Maybe next year.

207 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 6:32:35am

re: #202 sattv4u2

re: #199 MandyManners


I wanna leg!

*whack*

208 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 6:35:41am

re: #206 Killgore Trout

Maybe next year.

well,, if I have to wait that long, you better make it several. I'm sure to be hungrier by then!!

209 Daniel Ballard  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 6:35:42am

re: #196 reine.de.tout
Hi
I did. I think I should forward rather than re-create. I can not say it any better.

210 Daniel Ballard  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 6:38:17am

re: #203 Killgore Trout

Financial Reform Bill Passes: Banks Keep Derivatives Units, Volcker Rules Softened; House-Senate Conference Passes Financial Reform Bill After Marathon Session

Derivatives "Yes"
Jobs bill "No"
Just another day in DC.

Well later I'll page a roll call if there was one. Both bills in contrast.

211 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 6:39:39am

re: #188 MandyManners

What's shakin', my Canadian bacon?

Shakin' 'n bakin', my American eaglette.

212 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 6:41:03am

re: #210 Rightwingconspirator

Derivatives "Yes"
Jobs bill "No"
Just another day in DC.

Well later I'll page a roll call if there was one. Both bills in contrast.

Yeah, it seems a pretty mixed bag of good and bad stuff. The lefties are pretty pissed off about it. I suppose it's better than nothing.

213 laZardo  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 6:41:45am

re: #210 Rightwingconspirator

Derivatives "Yes"
Jobs bill "No"
Just another day in DC.

Speaking of Genesis, think twice...

214 Ojoe  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 6:42:27am

re: #210 Rightwingconspirator

Derivatives "Yes"
Jobs bill "No"
Just another day in DC.

If they keep it up, there will be a point where the people throw them all out.

Right now the two party game still works, but barely.

215 lawhawk  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 6:42:58am

re: #195 Rightwingconspirator

Good choice. I'm a big fan of Genesis. Lamb Lies Down is awesome, but I also like Trick of the Tail.

One of my faves is Ripples from Trick of the Tail:

216 Daniel Ballard  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 6:43:04am

re: #212 Killgore Trout

Now that it is passes, scrutiny will fade I fear. Uptick rule? I fear it is all a charade, and we are just as vulnerable as ever. This reform makes Bud Light look like a stout beer.

217 lawhawk  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 6:44:09am

Today marks the 4th anniversary since Hamas captured Gilad Shalit and killed two other soldier in a raid expressly designed to capture Israeli soldiers to use them as bargaining chips for the release of hundreds of terrorists from Israeli jails.

218 laZardo  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 6:44:51am

re: #217 lawhawk

Sadly, I wouldn't be surprised if he'd been "turned" if he's still alive.

219 albusteve  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 6:44:56am

re: #212 Killgore Trout

Yeah, it seems a pretty mixed bag of good and bad stuff. The lefties are pretty pissed off about it. I suppose it's better than nothing.

high finance is way over my head...I have no opinion except I'm sure it will make it easier for BO to control the economy and our lives...I feel oppressed already (or maybe I have gas)

220 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 6:45:55am

re: #217 lawhawk

Today marks the 4th anniversary since Hamas captured Gilad Shalit and killed two other soldier in a raid expressly designed to capture Israeli soldiers to use them as bargaining chips for the release of hundreds of terrorists from Israeli jails.

Hundreds of terrorists HAVE been released from Israeli jails since then

Shalit, not so much

God be with you, brave son!

221 albusteve  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 6:47:04am

re: #217 lawhawk

Today marks the 4th anniversary since Hamas captured Gilad Shalit and killed two other soldier in a raid expressly designed to capture Israeli soldiers to use them as bargaining chips for the release of hundreds of terrorists from Israeli jails.

the IDF should be swarming Gaza until he is found, returned or proven dead

222 lawhawk  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 6:47:28am

re: #218 laZardo

I didn't hold out much hope that he was alive last year, but Hamas did release video showing him reading from a then current newspaper. To release that video, Israel had to agree to the early release of several hundred Palestinians held in Israeli jails.

Hamas continues to refuse humanitarian aid groups access to Shalit, claiming that it would compromise their security.

Never mind that this is the "democratically" elected representatives of the Palestinians. They are a terror organization and remain true to their founding principles - the destruction of Israel by any and all means at their disposal.

223 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 6:48:37am

And on that note, the long drive home beckons

224 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 6:49:38am

re: #216 Rightwingconspirator

Now that it is passes, scrutiny will fade I fear. Uptick rule? I fear it is all a charade, and we are just as vulnerable as ever. This reform makes Bud Light look like a stout beer.

Reading the article in Huffington, what I found most interesting was that all the compromises that eventually watered down the bill were compromises instigated and approved by Democrats, since the Republicans once again decided to stay unanimously against the bill in any form.

The weaknesses of this bill can only be laid in the laps of the Democrats. The GOP may be the party of NO, but the Democrats are doing a good job of proving they are the party of CAN'T.

225 lawhawk  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 6:51:06am

Oh, and I must have missed the ongoing peaceful situation in Gaza, because terrorists fired 9 mortars and rockets yesterday from Gaza at Israeli kibbutzim. No injuries and the IDF responded by going after a couple of smuggling tunnels and a warehouse in Gaza.

The attack was a response to the firing of a rocket and mortar shells at western Negev communities on Thursday. The IDF stressed that Hamas was "a terrorist organization which is fully responsible for the events in the Strip."

On Thursday evening, a Qassam rocket exploded near a kibbutz north of the Gaza Strip, shortly after two mortar shells exploded south of a kibbutz in Shaar Hanegev Regional Council.

A total of nine mortar shells and one rocket were fired at Israel on Thursday, causing no injuries or damage.

Attacks from Gaza have increased in recent days, luckily, without causing any damage or injures. Nine days ago, after a week and a half of relative calm, fire on the western Negev from Gaza resumed, when a Qassam hit an open area in the Eshkol Regional Council.

226 lawhawk  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 6:51:38am

re: #225 lawhawk

Oh, and all that comes as Israel has relaxed its ban on materials allowed in to Gaza. Coincidence? I don't think so.

227 Ojoe  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 6:53:05am

re: #224 Walter L. Newton

The GOP may be the party of NO, but the Democrats are doing a good job of proving they are the party of CAN'T.


Time for the Modern Whig Party

The Whigs and the American Centrists have just joined up.

228 Boogberg  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 6:55:21am

re: #215 lawhawk

Good choice. I'm a big fan of Genesis. Lamb Lies Down is awesome, but I also like Trick of the Tail.

One of my faves is Ripples from Trick of the Tail:


[Video]

Me too, man. I love that song. I like the one about the little rat creature too. Dissolving in a pool of tears? Awesome.

229 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 7:00:17am

re: #227 Ojoe

Time for the Modern Whig Party

The Whigs and the American Centrists have just joined up.

Which is a prime indication that the Modern Whig Party has not been able to make much if any inroads into the political process. One shows their weakness when they have to "share" ideologies, positions and policies with another group.

What do you get, meaningless compromises... sort of like the Democrats crafted in the financial reform bill. Weaken compromises that codifies the bad behavior of the financial institutions.

230 Slap  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 7:02:50am

re: #215 lawhawk

I agree. Much as I deeply admire Peter Gabriel, I'm almost inclined to think Trick is their most balanced, successful LP, on all fronts.

I was also a big fan of Phil Collins's side project from that time period, Brand X. (And Percy Jones, the bass player, just FLOORS me.) This was far more than a vanity project.

231 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 7:03:08am

With Hamas' Al Aqsa TV is being banned throughout Europe, Hamas is increasingly turning to the Internet to undertake its recruitment and indoctrination strategy. Nowhere is this more apparent than in a web-based magazine for children, Al-Fateh. Hamas denies that it runs the website, but reporting by the Middle East Forum has established that such refutations are simply a ploy to prevent the website from being taken down by its host countries.

Due to the Palestinian Authority's continuing control of the formal education system in the Gaza Strip, Hamas has had to rely on informal methods to radicalize children and create the next generation of adherents to Hamas' radical ideas. The Al-Fateh website brings that mission into the 21st century, preaching "ideals" such as the denial of the existence of the state of Israel and glorification of martyrdom.

The Al-Fateh website places a large amount of anti-Israel and pro-Jihadist material at the fingertips of children surfing the web. The website never calls Israel by its actual name, referring to it instead as the "Zionist entity," "the cursed state," the "state of the monstrous entity," the "criminal state," the "alleged entity," and the "thieving usurping entity." Al-Fateh calls for the violent destruction of Israel, describes Jews as 'the lowest of the human race,' and even makes statements that call out to God to kill the Jews. The website's violent rhetoric is not limited to Israel, however, at points threatening the United States:

SNIP

What? No blood-libel?

232 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 7:08:20am

re: #227 Ojoe

Time for the Modern Whig Party

The Whigs and the American Centrists have just joined up.

Someone should form the Modern Mherkin Party.

233 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 7:09:12am

re: #232 Mad Al-Jaffee

I'm a Murikan.

234 Boogberg  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 7:09:26am

Brand X was off my radar but I likee. All the Genesis guys are very talented.

235 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 7:09:53am

re: #230 Slap

Arguably the greatest pop song of all time was recorded by Peter Gabriel.

236 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 7:10:50am

re: #224 Walter L. Newton

Reading the article in Huffington, what I found most interesting was that all the compromises that eventually watered down the bill were compromises instigated and approved by Democrats, since the Republicans once again decided to stay unanimously against the bill in any form.

The weaknesses of this bill can only be laid in the laps of the Democrats. The GOP may be the party of NO, but the Democrats are doing a good job of proving they are the party of CAN'T.

Long live,
The derivative.
Unemployed,
Are underjoyed.

237 albusteve  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 7:11:18am

re: #234 Boogberg

Brand X was off my radar but I likee. All the Genesis guys are very talented.

Phil Collins can barely play the drums anymore...he cannot hold the sticks due to arthritis or some related problem

238 Boogberg  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 7:11:30am

re: #235 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Not to mention the ground-breaking video. :)

239 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 7:12:12am

Nice...the "honest services law" receives a heavy pruning from the SCOTUS.

Now the gov't will have to prove that you actually broke the law, which seems rather straightforward to me, but i'm no congressman...

240 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 7:12:22am

re: #233 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I'm a Murikan.

"God Bless A Murka!

241 abolitionist  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 7:12:47am

Scientific Reasons to Believe in Vampires, Werewolves & Zombies

One dark and stormy evening, Spanish neurologist Juan Gomez-Alonso was watching a vampire movie when he realized something strange; he noticed that vampires behave an awful lot like people with rabies.
[snip]

There's a different explanation for zombies.

242 Boogberg  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 7:13:50am

re: #237 albusteve

Sorry to hear that. I grew up with that guy's music. He can do other stuff though. He's a musical genius.

243 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 7:16:16am
244 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 7:16:18am

re: #232 Mad Al-Jaffee

Someone should form the Modern Mherkin Party.

Or Merkin Party...

245 albusteve  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 7:18:03am

re: #243 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Arguably the greatest pop song of all time...

yes, arguable indeed

246 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 7:18:30am

re: #224 Walter L. Newton

Thought about you yesterday. Was in the self check-out at Kroger. The dude on duty basically checked me out. I was... perplexed.

Those beeps, those lights, those buttons; they frighten and confuse me.

247 Boogberg  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 7:18:59am

I thought it was gonna be "Sledgehammer".

248 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 7:19:51am

re: #246 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Thought about you yesterday. Was in the self check-out at Kroger. The dude on duty basically checked me out. I was... perplexed.

Those beeps, those lights, those buttons; they frighten and confuse me.

Same here.

249 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 7:20:54am

re: #245 albusteve

What's your opinion?re: #247 Boogberg

Nope. Though Sledgehammer was indeed a groundbreaking, great video.

250 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 7:21:02am

re: #246 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Thought about you yesterday. Was in the self check-out at Kroger. The dude on duty basically checked me out. I was... perplexed.

Those beeps, those lights, those buttons; they frighten and confuse me.

Sometimes the honking horns of your traffic make me want to get out of my BMW...and run off into the hills, or wherever...

251 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 7:21:45am

re: #244 rwdflynavy

Or Merkin Party...

That's what I meant, but I spelled it "Mherkin" because of the h in "Whig."

252 albusteve  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 7:22:53am

AZ boycott ballyhoo fizzles out...

Los Angeles – When Arizona signed its new immigration law, SB 1070, on April 4, the immediate response by several cities and states was to enact economic boycotts against the state, with the aim of pressuring legislators to rethink the law.
Now, with just over a month to go until the law takes effect July 28, maintaining those embargoes appears to have been tough going for most – especially in the wider economic downturn – and several have watered down their actions.

ho hum

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

253 SixDegrees  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 7:22:55am

re: #246 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Thought about you yesterday. Was in the self check-out at Kroger. The dude on duty basically checked me out. I was... perplexed.

Those beeps, those lights, those buttons; they frighten and confuse me.

Personally, I refuse to use those lanes. They effectively eliminate three out of four cashier's jobs. And I don't even get a discount for doing what a store employee used to do for me. Bad all around.

At the local Home Depot, self-checkout is the only lane open on Sunday mornings until about 10:00. I've left and gone to Lowes more than once as a result. Lowes, thankfully, has not yet succumbed to their installation.

254 Boogberg  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 7:23:09am

I worked at a Popeye's a few years ago and the register terrified me. I was much more comfortable in the back of the house.

255 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 7:24:21am

re: #253 SixDegrees

Gosh, yer swell.

256 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 7:24:33am

Gregg Allman feeling 'pretty good' after liver transplant

[Link: content.usatoday.com...]

257 lawhawk  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 7:25:58am

New York City passes a $63 billion budget. To put that in perspective, that's more than pretty much every state except New York, Texas and California.

PA has a state budget of $29.3 billion.
CT has a budget of $37.6 billion.

Ohio's budget is $56 billion.

258 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 7:26:14am

re: #251 Mad Al-Jaffee

That's what I meant, but I spelled it "Mherkin" because of the h in "Whig."

Ahhhh, wasn't sure if you were going for merkin or Meriken'. Well played on the use of Merkin. If I wasn't on an ancient browser at work that reloads the main page of LGF when I try to upding, I'd upding you!!!

259 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 7:26:27am

re: #246 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Thought about you yesterday. Was in the self check-out at Kroger. The dude on duty basically checked me out. I was... perplexed.

Those beeps, those lights, those buttons; they frighten and confuse me.

And to further enlighten you on the topic of U-scan... some pointers. Don't try to check out a weeks worth of groceries. If you look at the sign, it says, "express - 15 items or less." U-scan is not really designed to to a cart full of groceries. The staging area what holds your scanned items is only designed for 4 plastic bags and an area for larger items like soda cartons. As soon as you fill up that area, and try to remove bags to make more room, U-scan locks up and "beeps" the attendant.

For a matter of fact, you are not suppose to remove any items until AFTER they are paid for. Moving them around, removing them, putting a handbag or wallet on the staging area, any of those action will cause the U-scan station to lock up and notify the attendant.

(Walter's U-scan Tip #1)

Any questions?

260 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 7:29:08am

re: #253 SixDegrees

Personally, I refuse to use those lanes. They effectively eliminate three out of four cashier's jobs. And I don't even get a discount for doing what a store employee used to do for me. Bad all around.

At the local Home Depot, self-checkout is the only lane open on Sunday mornings until about 10:00. I've left and gone to Lowes more than once as a result. Lowes, thankfully, has not yet succumbed to their installation.

In the case of the Kroger Store where I work (King Soopers), we have six robots, so that's one attendant for 6 stations. The King Soopers I used to live next to in Golden Colorado had 12 stations... 6 "15 items or less" and 6 newer stations that are bigger and designed to accommodate a full basket of groceries.

261 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 7:29:57am

re: #259 Walter L. Newton

Had ten of the same item... regular 3.50 each... got them for 99cents when I bought ten... but it was like watching Rainman... I'm an idiot, I'll probably stop using it...

262 Boogberg  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 7:30:24am

What are these market manipulating bastards up to now. Sell-off after lunch?

263 albusteve  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 7:31:31am

re: #249 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

What's your opinion?re: #247 Boogberg

Nope. Though Sledgehammer was indeed a groundbreaking, great video.

'pop' means different things to different people...pop to me first, is that it's a product made for radio or MTV (spit)...secondly, it's engineered, made in a studio with less regard for playing the music, than manipulating sound to achieve a sellable song...which leads to the thirs notion that pop music is entirely about making money, devoid of spirit...not all pop songs are spiritless, but most are over produced...record companies own pop music, not the writers and musicians who are largely part of the method....lots of argument to be had, but that's part of my take...and consider that radio and MTV (spit) are not entirely about pop music

264 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 7:31:59am

I love the self-checkout, but it pisses me off when I have to put an item aside and get help with it. Why is it "self" checkout when half the time someone has to come over, flash a passcard and key in a code for me?

And "PC LOAD LETTER? What the fuck does that mean?!"

265 albusteve  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 7:33:03am

re: #256 Mad Al-Jaffee

Gregg Allman feeling 'pretty good' after liver transplant

[Link: content.usatoday.com...]

good news...the old fart still has some chops left, not the range but the mojo

266 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 7:33:23am

re: #263 albusteve

'pop' means different things to different people

To me it's short for "popular."

267 albusteve  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 7:34:54am

re: #266 Mad Al-Jaffee

To me it's short for "popular."

I think of RC cola myself

268 abolitionist  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 7:35:23am

re: #258 rwdflynavy

Ahhh, wasn't sure if you were going for merkin or Meriken'. Well played on the use of Merkin. If I wasn't on an ancient browser at work that reloads the main page of LGF when I try to upding, I'd upding you!!!

If it's IE-whatever, perhaps you could try adding (without spaces)
www . littlegreenfootballs . com
to the trusted zone ?

If this breaks your machine of gets you in trouble with your IT dept or manager, I'll apologize in advance.

269 abolitionist  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 7:36:26am

Should have previewed, but you get the idea.

270 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 7:38:00am

re: #265 albusteve

good news...the old fart still has some chops left, not the range but the mojo

I should catch the Allman Brothers the next time they tour. I've only seen them once, and that was in the early 90s.

271 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 7:38:52am

re: #260 Walter L. Newton

I'd love to sit in one of those meetings...

VP Marketing: "We're gonna open a chain of grocery stores. We've gotta come up with a name for the chain."
Someone shouts, "PIGGLY WIGGLY!"
Someone else, "KING SOOPER!"
Someone else, "The A&P!"
VP Marketing: "Get those people the hell out of here!"
Old Geezer Chairman of the Board, "Wait just a minute there...."

272 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 7:39:38am

re: #253 SixDegrees

Personally, I refuse to use those lanes. They effectively eliminate three out of four cashier's jobs. And I don't even get a discount for doing what a store employee used to do for me. Bad all around.

At the local Home Depot, self-checkout is the only lane open on Sunday mornings until about 10:00. I've left and gone to Lowes more than once as a result. Lowes, thankfully, has not yet succumbed to their installation.

Oh, pish posh. They beat standing in line by a country mile...

273 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 7:39:49am

re: #270 Mad Al-Jaffee

I should catch the Allman Brothers the next time they tour. I've only seen them once, and theyat wereas in their early 90s.

Little fixin'....

274 Ericus58  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 7:39:50am

re: #252 albusteve

AZ boycott ballyhoo fizzles out...

Los Angeles – When Arizona signed its new immigration law, SB 1070, on April 4, the immediate response by several cities and states was to enact economic boycotts against the state, with the aim of pressuring legislators to rethink the law.
Now, with just over a month to go until the law takes effect July 28, maintaining those embargoes appears to have been tough going for most – especially in the wider economic downturn – and several have watered down their actions.

ho hum

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

"Kyser notes that a Los Angeles Police Department plan to send officers to Arizona for special terrorism training "was canceled due to the boycott,” but other actions have gone under the radar."

Really?? If this training was necessary for their readiness, was it re-scheduled elsewhere? Is there another training facility providing it?
Was this a moronic response?

I think yes.

275 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 7:41:09am

re: #271 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I'd love to sit in one of those meetings...

VP Marketing: "We're gonna open a chain of grocery stores. We've gotta come up with a name for the chain."
Someone shouts, "PIGGLY WIGGLY!"
Someone else, "KING SOOPER!"
Someone else, "The A&P!"
VP Marketing: "Get those people the hell out of here!"
Old Geezer Chairman of the Board, "Wait just a minute there..."

Don't forget Jitney Jungle. Southern names can be so creative.

276 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 7:41:11am

re: #257 lawhawk

New York City passes a $63 billion budget. To put that in perspective, that's more than pretty much every state except New York, Texas and California.

Yowza. Can you guys afford it?

277 darthstar  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 7:42:03am

re: #256 Mad Al-Jaffee

Gregg Allman feeling 'pretty good' after liver transplant

[Link: content.usatoday.com...]

Maybe he'll stop shooting up now. And he can start a new band with Phil Lesh - The Transplants. But I'm glad he got his liver all the same.

278 Boogberg  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 7:42:31am

Greatest message ever sent by a Genesis song/vid:

I REALLY hate "televangelists". The lowest form of scum.

279 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 7:42:45am

re: #277 darthstar

Maybe he'll stop shooting up now. And he can start a new band with Phil Lesh - The Transplants. But I'm glad he got his liver all the same.

He has hepititis.

280 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 7:42:49am

re: #264 Mad Al-Jaffee

I love the self-checkout, but it pisses me off when I have to put an item aside and get help with it. Why is it "self" checkout when half the time someone has to come over, flash a passcard and key in a code for me?

And "PC LOAD LETTER? What the fuck does that mean?!"

You know what I would do if I had a million dollars? I would invest half of it in low risk mutual funds and then take the other half over to my friend Asadulah who works in securities...

281 albusteve  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 7:42:59am

re: #270 Mad Al-Jaffee

I should catch the Allman Brothers the next time they tour. I've only seen them once, and that was in the early 90s.

I saw them back in 70 at the old Chicago Amplitheater...and twice at the Beacon...that's a fun gig there, or it used to be

282 Daniel Ballard  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 7:43:54am

Going to be a loong morning. A long slow morning.
[Link: www.kitco.com...]

Kinda hard to plan your manufacturing costs...

283 laZardo  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 7:44:11am

How to make this Open Thread really cool...

/also Portugal 0 - 0 Brazil

284 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 7:46:02am

re: #280 Aceofwhat?

Samir: No one in this country can ever pronounce my name right. It's not that hard: Na-ghee-na-na-jar. Nagheenanajar.

Michael Bolton: Yeah, well, at least your name isn't Michael Bolton.

Samir: You know, there's nothing wrong with that name.
Michael Bolton: There *was* nothing wrong with it... until I was about twelve years old and that no-talent ass clown became famous and started winning Grammys.

Samir: Hmm... well, why don't you just go by Mike instead of Michael?

Michael Bolton: No way! Why should I change? He's the one who sucks.

285 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 7:46:16am

em>re: #271 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I'd love to sit in one of those meetings...

VP Marketing: "We're gonna open a chain of grocery stores. We've gotta come up with a name for the chain."
Someone shouts, "PIGGLY WIGGLY!"
Someone else, "KING SOOPER!"
Someone else, "The A&P!"
VP Marketing: "Get those people the hell out of here!"
Old Geezer Chairman of the Board, "Wait just a minute there..."

(electric bumped up here in the mountains, does that a lot, had to reboot)

King Soopers was a local Colorado chain, started in the 30's by Lloyd King.. the "soopers" was a play on the word "supermarket."

Kroger bought them out at some point.

A and P = The Great Atlantic & Pacific Tea Company

286 albusteve  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 7:46:30am

re: #274 Ericus58

"Kyser notes that a Los Angeles Police Department plan to send officers to Arizona for special terrorism training "was canceled due to the boycott,” but other actions have gone under the radar."

Really?? If this training was necessary for their readiness, was it re-scheduled elsewhere? Is there another training facility providing it?
Was this a moronic response?

I think yes.

the whole issue has been wildly overblown...profiling is highly subjective and any one at any time can be profiled...nobody is going to get dragged off the streets because they are brown...if they do, it's illegal...it's a left wing OO

287 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 7:46:56am
re: #278 Boogberg

I REALLY hate "televangelists". The lowest form of scum.

How could anyone hate Ernest "the forehead-bopper" Angley?

288 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 7:47:13am

re: #264 Mad Al-Jaffee

I love the self-checkout, but it pisses me off when I have to put an item aside and get help with it. Why is it "self" checkout when half the time someone has to come over, flash a passcard and key in a code for me?

And "PC LOAD LETTER? What the fuck does that mean?!"

What do you mean? "PC LOAD LETTER"... is that something that came up on the screen at U-scan?

289 lawhawk  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 7:47:25am

re: #276 Aceofwhat?

Well, there's a budget deficit of about $1 billion, but they should be able to close it with layoffs and some adjustments.

NYC overlays the NYS taxes with its own corp and personal income taxes, sales tax, and all other kinds of taxes. It just drives up the cost of doing business in the city.

290 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 7:48:12am

re: #285 Walter L. Newton

Piggly Wiggly?

291 albusteve  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 7:49:00am

re: #289 lawhawk

Well, there's a budget deficit of about $1 billion, but they should be able to close it with layoffs and some adjustments.

NYC overlays the NYS taxes with its own corp and personal income taxes, sales tax, and all other kinds of taxes. It just drives up the cost of doing business in the city.

you're average Joe and Judy can't even visit NYC anymore with out ridiculous hardships

292 Slap  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 7:49:18am

re: #281 albusteve

Look for last year's Beacon shows, if you can. One night, Clapton guested, and it was the FIRST TIME they had played together, which I hadn't realized. (Shhhh -- I have a taper buddy who gave me a copy -- more amazing than you could imagine!)

I need too get to see them soon. I've heard a boatload from last year's tour, and they're still smokin' hot. (Derek Trucks and Warren Haynes. Say no more.)

And for those of you who know these bands: I put forth that Warren Haynes is one of the most remarkable musicians living, based on last summer alone. He toured with BOTH the Allmans and the Dead. IN THE SAME YEAR. I can barely imagine learning the gigantic repertoire of ONE of those bands, let alone both of them.

I'm not even remotely worthy!

293 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 7:49:27am

re: #290 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Piggly Wiggly?

I don't know? I use to shop their in the 70's in Texas.

294 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 7:49:53am

I had kinf of a frustrating morning. I planned to come to work early but the car wouldn't start. AAA came about a half hour after I called, but they took a longer time (replacing the battery) than they should have because a new guy was being trained.

The good news is I saved my receipt for the last battery they installed, and since it had a warranty the new one was free. I'm keeping the new receipt in the car (had to dig through some old papers to find the old one.)

Got to work almost two hours late, but that's okay.

295 lawhawk  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 7:50:31am

Parents of alleged NJ terrorist Mohammed Alessa blame the FBI for their kid turning to jihad.

But even at a young age, his parents said their son suffered from the uncontrollable rages that would plague him throughout his teens and fuel run-ins with school officials and law enforcement.

In their first interview together, Mahmood and Nadia Alessa, of North Bergen, detailed their son's psychological problems, his troubled teen years and their belief that the FBI pushed two innocent young men into a terrorist mold.

"It's like they're against these two kids, they want them to be terrorists," Nadia Alessa said of federal authorities. "These kids [don't] know what's going on, they don't know anything."

They also said many of the government's claims against their son are dead wrong and that authorities have mistaken his anger problems and grandiosity for something much more serious.

They said a 2007 trip to Jordan, which the FBI believes was a failed attempt to join the insurgency in Iraq, was a chance for Mohamed Alessa to study abroad. The Alessas also said he was traveling to Egypt on June 5 to meet a 19-year-old Swedish Muslim he planned to marry, not as a way station to jihad in Somalia, as the government alleges.

Right. Their son just has anger problems and delusions of grandeur (that includes repeated statements of jihad) but he's just misguided and the FBI made them turn to jihad - or misinterpreted their intentions and statements.

Gotcha. Alessa's parents are in denial that their kid was a ticking time bomb and the FBI caught him before he did something really bad.

296 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 7:51:07am

re: #288 Walter L. Newton

What do you mean? "PC LOAD LETTER"... is that something that came up on the screen at U-scan?

No, it's a quote from the movie Office Space.

297 darthstar  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 7:51:37am

re: #279 Mad Al-Jaffee

He has hepititis.

I know...but he's also still a partier.

298 Boogberg  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 7:51:44am

re: #287 Spare O'Lake

There otta be a Law. I'm serious.

299 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 7:52:39am

re: #283 laZardo

How to make this Open Thread really cool...

/also Portugal 0 - 0 Brazil

Dude. Williams-Kleybanova is on. Civilized people playing a sport with no ties/draws, in front of civilized crowds and FUCKING REPLAY!

300 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 7:53:50am

re: #295 lawhawk

Is he the one with the cat named Princess Tuna? Kid's got more than one problem.

301 laZardo  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 7:54:01am

re: #287 Spare O'Lake

How could anyone hate Ernest "the forehead-bopper" Angley?

Or Benny Hinn?

/kudos to who originally posted this

302 albusteve  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 7:57:03am

re: #292 Slap

Look for last year's Beacon shows, if you can. One night, Clapton guested, and it was the FIRST TIME they had played together, which I hadn't realized. (Shhh -- I have a taper buddy who gave me a copy -- more amazing than you could imagine!)

I need too get to see them soon. I've heard a boatload from last year's tour, and they're still smokin' hot. (Derek Trucks and Warren Haynes. Say no more.)

And for those of you who know these bands: I put forth that Warren Haynes is one of the most remarkable musicians living, based on last summer alone. He toured with BOTH the Allmans and the Dead. IN THE SAME YEAR. I can barely imagine learning the gigantic repertoire of ONE of those bands, let alone both of them.

I'm not even remotely worthy!

he doesn't learn the repertoire note for note...he jams in a particular key and knows the progressions, or picks them up as he goes along...he's a fine guitarist and a decent guy (met him at a benfit in DC)...but remember there are thousands of great players out there, every bit as good or even better....just ask Mad Al

303 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 7:57:48am

re: #280 Aceofwhat?

304 SixDegrees  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 7:57:59am

re: #272 Aceofwhat?

Oh, pish posh. They beat standing in line by a country mile...

From what I've seen, those lines move a LOT slower than the ones manned by actual cashiers.

305 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 7:58:55am

re: #302 albusteve

he doesn't learn the repertoire note for note...he jams in a particular key and knows the progressions, or picks them up as he goes along...he's a fine guitarist and a decent guy (met him at a benfit in DC)...but remember there are thousands of great players out there, every bit as good or even better...just ask Mad Al

Hell yeah. I used to go to a club - an old honky tonk that was around since the 50s - very close to home. On Friday and Saturday nights the house band would play, usually featuring two of the most amazing guitarists in the region. The cover was $2.00.

306 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 7:58:57am

re: #303 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Good morning FBV! Today is Pieday! I think I will make Chocolate Cream Pie.

307 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 7:59:16am

re: #296 Mad Al-Jaffee

No, it's a quote from the movie Office Space.

Got it... I looked it up... "PC LOAD LETTER is a technology meme, originally a printer error message, which has grown into popular culture as a reference to a confusing or inappropriate error message."

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

I was curious, because the U-scan set up at or store is a Fujistu product, and it's actually running an embedded XP, which in turn runs the software. The wireless unit I use is driven by Windows CE. That handheld unit actually keeps track, in real time, of all the activity at each U-scan robot, and I can control most functions from that handheld.

The biggest problem I find, from the operators side of things, is that as soon as a customer has a problem, in their mind, they are the only on with a problem, and it doesn't matter if I have 2-3 other stations beeping and asking for attention.

When you check out at a regular check stand, the cashier is taking care of YOU, one person, all attention is on that customer. So, it's hard for a customer to think any other way when they are checking out. They come first, that's what they are use to, but it's not always possible to attend to a customer in the same manner at U-scan as at a regular check stand.

That's one of the reasons I don't like operating U-scan, organized chaos and I see more annoyed customers at U-scan than anyplace else in the store.

It's a cultural/technology thing, which may evolve over the years, but currently, self scan is getting a lot of "push back" from the public.

Me, myself, when I am checking out a small order for me, I love it, always have, from the start, even before I became a employee in the industry.

308 darthstar  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 8:00:11am

Palin pimping the Hitler comparison.

Plausible deniability retained, of course.

309 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 8:00:17am

re: #304 SixDegrees

From what I've seen, those lines move a LOT slower than the ones manned by actual cashiers.

If you keep me out of them, they're faster.

310 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 8:01:32am

Obama Makes Adorable Mistake, Calls It "Twitters"

[Link: jezebel.com...]

311 albusteve  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 8:02:31am

re: #292 Slap

a couple of times I have been to Buddy Guy's Legends in January when he's home and plays there 12-15 nights in January...both times only regional guys showed up to play...no Clapton or Richards
what a cool place to see a band...low stage with tables and people crowded right up to the front...talking a measly couple hundred people here

312 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 8:02:32am

re: #289 lawhawk

Well, there's a budget deficit of about $1 billion, but they should be able to close it with layoffs and some adjustments.

NYC overlays the NYS taxes with its own corp and personal income taxes, sales tax, and all other kinds of taxes. It just drives up the cost of doing business in the city.

IIRC, it's one of the most expensive places in the US in which to work or set up a business, with regards to total tax burden.

I just didn't know if $63 billion was about what you expected or not. Down here in Jacksonville, we do without state income taxes! (although our property taxes are, at ~1.7%, nearly double the national average)

313 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 8:02:47am

Everytime I decide to use the self-checkout cause it's faster I end up like Charlie Brown. Lucy pulls the damn football away everytime! Please Wait for Assistance...

314 Boogberg  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 8:03:37am

re: #303 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I like that song. :)

315 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 8:04:09am

re: #304 SixDegrees

From what I've seen, those lines move a LOT slower than the ones manned by actual cashiers.

Mainly because a lot of people try to use U-san for a whole weeks worth of groceries. Like I said above, U-scan was originally designed to be a self service express check out.

They have developed larger U-scan stations for full basket of groceries, but not all supermarkets are using them.

And the scanners themselves are slower than a regular check stand for a number of reasons. All six U-scan stations are talking to ONE server. There is a processor on board, running an embedded Windows XP, but most of the grunt work is done on a main server for the group. And also that server is transmitting wireless information to the hand held that the attendant holds... over all a lot of activity going on at the same time.

316 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 8:04:30am

re: #310 Mad Al-Jaffee

I was in the waiting room of my wife's endocrinologist and an elderly lady asked me, "How long has your wife had the sugars?"

I thought that was cute.

317 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 8:05:11am

re: #310 Mad Al-Jaffee

Obama Makes Adorable Mistake, Calls It "Twitters"

[Link: jezebel.com...]

On CNN they immediately followed the Obama "twitters" boo-boo with the incredibly moronic Bush "I use the Google" one.
Obamots.

318 albusteve  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 8:05:25am

re: #305 Mad Al-Jaffee

Hell yeah. I used to go to a club - an old honky tonk that was around since the 50s - very close to home. On Friday and Saturday nights the house band would play, usually featuring two of the most amazing guitarists in the region. The cover was $2.00.

my daughter hired a cover band for her wedding party and when those guys hit the floor my jaw dropped...I flat out could not believe what I was hearing, and the lead guitar was just about as good as a player can get

319 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 8:05:29am

re: #316 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I was in the waiting room of my wife's endocrinologist and an elderly lady asked me, "How long has your wife had the sugars?"

I thought that was cute.

My band leader (I think in his late 60s and from South Carolina) calls it "Sugar Diabetes."

320 lawhawk  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 8:07:49am

re: #304 SixDegrees

Indeed. A cashier is trained to scan and process sales transactions and what to do with poor scanning items. Using the self-checkout lines assume the same or similar level of understanding as the cashier.

My biggest beef is that the self-checkouts stop working if you don't place items directly in the bagging area (checking weight) - which in a home improvement store can get nuts when you've got oddly shaped items, oversized items, etc.

And that doesn't include technical glitches with the self-checkout lines.

321 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 8:07:55am

re: #313 rwdflynavy

Everytime I decide to use the self-checkout cause it's faster I end up like Charlie Brown. Lucy pulls the damn football away everytime! Please Wait for Assistance...

There are so many parameters that can trigger that... you removed an item from the bagging area, an item doesn't have the same actual weight as listed in the database, someone put something on the scale between scans that wasn't scanned, your belly is leaning on the scale, you tried to remove items from the bagging area before paying and so on...

322 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 8:08:02am

re: #304 SixDegrees

From what I've seen, those lines move a LOT slower than the ones manned by actual cashiers.

Oh, sure - if there isn't one open, or if i have more than ~15 things, i won't even consider it. With my luck, i'd get behind someone like FBV and either end up helping him myself or silently cursing him / asking God for forgiveness for cursing my fellow man...

But as a group of extra "i just came here for X and Y and i want to get the hell out" slots, they're fabulous...

323 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 8:09:00am

re: #322 Aceofwhat?

Hey!

324 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 8:09:09am

re: #318 albusteve

my daughter hired a cover band for her wedding party and when those guys hit the floor my jaw dropped...I flat out could not believe what I was hearing, and the lead guitar was just about as good as a player can get

You would have loved this place, Chick Hall's Surf Club. Chick Hall Jr. was the house band guiarist played bass (and owned the club.) Their father, Chick Hall Sr., was a monster player in the 50s and 60s.

A story they tell about him is he used to go to a guitar contest in Virginia when he was a teenager. He won so many times in a row, one year they just gave him the first prize as soon as he showed up.

325 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 8:09:12am

re: #306 Alouette

Good morning FBV! Today is Pieday! I think I will make Chocolate Cream Pie.

How are you feeling? Better today than last week?

326 laZardo  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 8:09:29am

re: #310 Mad Al-Jaffee

Arguments on Twitter: Twit-for-Twat.

327 Slap  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 8:10:38am

re: #302 albusteve

First, I agree on the number of players out there. Trust me -- as one who still struggles to find my voice on the fretboard, I'm hyper-aware of the talent out there. (Having witnessed -- in person -- people like Pat Martino, Larry Coryell, Robert Fripp, Steve Howe, Richard Thompson, David Lindley, Steve Morse, Leo Kottke, Frank and Dweezil, Martin Barre, Henry Kaiser, Adrian Belew, Jeff Tepper, Buck Dharma, Ritchie Blackmore and Billy Gibbons -- to name just the ones off the top of my head -- I have regularly contemplated throwing the guitar away and taking up soil research instead.)

But -- I think you maybe minimize how much he had to do to pull of those gigs. Sure, in the modal improvised sections, he's free to roam -- but both bands also feature a significant amount of pretty tightly-scripted changes that require a level of awareness and knowledge that's pretty noteworthy. And I strongly suspect that despite the talent out there, there's only a handful that can do what he did in terms of credibly integrating his playing into bands with clearly established personalities. Playing well is one thing, playing well with others is a little trickier.

I still say, find last year's Beacon shows. The nights with Clapton and Boz Scaggs were pretty fine.

328 Boogberg  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 8:10:54am

re: #320 lawhawk

Haven't we known this was coming? Machines do more, Humans do less.

329 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 8:11:16am

re: #318 albusteve

I'm guessing that there are thousands of players out there who are "just about as good as you can get" and there are a few hundred who were fortunate enough to get noticed.

330 lawhawk  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 8:11:44am

re: #312 Aceofwhat?

Property taxes are the bane of our existence in NJ. In the 70s, the state decided to impose a personal income tax to alleviate the property tax burden.

Now, we've got both - and property taxes continue rising. Then, they had the brilliant idea of using a sales tax hike to pay for property tax relief in the form of rebates.

Oh, and then when sales tax revenue dropped off a cliff, they eliminated the rebates in most instances, but kept the sales tax hike. Then, Trenton decided to impose a temporary surtax on millionaires (but which actually hit those with income as low as $500k), to make budget - but when that temporary surtax expired, the Democrats demanded that it be extended to pay for the expenditures.

It's no wonder that people around NJ are fed up with taxes.

331 laZardo  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 8:11:54am

I don't know if they're skillful or just lucky but those were some really nice saves by Brazil in the last few minutes...

332 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 8:11:55am

re: #320 lawhawk

Indeed. A cashier is trained to scan and process sales transactions and what to do with poor scanning items. Using the self-checkout lines assume the same or similar level of understanding as the cashier.

My biggest beef is that the self-checkouts stop working if you don't place items directly in the bagging area (checking weight) - which in a home improvement store can get nuts when you've got oddly shaped items, oversized items, etc.

And that doesn't include technical glitches with the self-checkout lines.

You're correct. In a supermarket, every packaged item has a corresponding weight in the database. You scan an item, put it in the bagging area, and if the actual weight doesn't match the weight in the database... it's locks up. And of course, that can easily happen. The bagging area scales are actually more accurate than you imagine, and manufacturers weights can be off by a bit.

ANd if you toss an item into the bag, instead of placing it, that extra momentary "force" can upset the weighing.

333 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 8:13:02am

re: #330 lawhawk

Well, fortunately y'all hired a guy who ain't afraid to try and fix it.

334 darthstar  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 8:13:07am

re: #317 Spare O'Lake

On CNN they immediately followed the Obama "twitters" boo-boo with the incredibly moronic Bush "I use the Google" one.
Obamots.

Twittergate! Impeach him! Hitler!

335 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 8:13:13am

re: #328 Boogberg

Haven't we known this was coming? Machines do more, Humans do less.

Skynet!

336 Boogberg  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 8:14:02am

re: #332 Walter L. Newton

that extra momentary "force" can upset the weighing.

extra foot/pounds per square inch? :D

337 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 8:14:13am

re: #334 darthstar

Twittergate! Impeach him! Hitler!

waytomisshtepoint!

338 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 8:15:54am

I had a nice moment coming to work today (which made me feel somewhat better about the car trouble and coming in late.) There was a woman with a kid in a stroller at the Metro and I let her get on before me. She thanked me and said "You're the only polite person here." If only she knew me better. ;)

Karma for me.

339 albusteve  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 8:15:55am

re: #324 Mad Al-Jaffee

You would have loved this place, Chick Hall's Surf Club. Chick Hall Jr. was the house band guiarist played bass (and owned the club.) Their father, Chick Hall Sr., was a monster player in the 50s and 60s.

A story they tell about him is he used to go to a guitar contest in Virginia when he was a teenager. He won so many times in a row, one year they just gave him the first prize as soon as he showed up.

sounds like Joe Bonamassa...12 yr old prodigy...anyway I love small clubs, and most of my favorite bands play them, nothing like it in the world...I'm addicted...and Chick's sounds exactly right for me, a joint with a history

340 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 8:15:55am

re: #332 Walter L. Newton

ANd if you toss an item into the bag, instead of placing it, that extra momentary "force" can upset the weighing

Dipstick in front of me the other day couldn't understand why the self check machine kept telling her there were "unexpected items in the bagging area". Her toddler kept sitting on the bagging bench!

341 darthstar  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 8:16:27am

re: #337 sattv4u2

waytomisshtepoint!

I didn't miss the point. I called President Obama Hitler...
/

342 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 8:16:31am

re: #334 darthstar

Twittergate! Impeach him! Hitler!

Kenya please not set me a'twitter?

343 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 8:16:51am

re: #338 Mad Al-Jaffee

I had a nice moment coming to work today (which made me feel somewhat better about the car trouble and coming in late.) There was a woman with a kid in a stroller at the Metro and I let her get on before me. She thanked me and said "You're the only polite person here." If only she knew me better. ;)

Karma for me.

ding whore ,,,, I grudgingly gave you one!!

344 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 8:16:56am

I taught my son the ten/twelve chords I know... and handed him one of those Hal Leonard chord books.

Three or four weeks later he came to me and was playing along with stuff on CDs.

Got him lessons. Three or four years later, (three teachers later) the music place basically fired him. Said, "You dad is paying good money for you to come over here and jam with us."

He was/is extremely talented. But what helps? Four three or four years (while maintaining a 3.8 GPA, he played four to five hours per day.

345 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 8:17:09am

re: #330 lawhawk

Property taxes are the bane of our existence in NJ. In the 70s, the state decided to impose a personal income tax to alleviate the property tax burden.

Now, we've got both - and property taxes continue rising. Then, they had the brilliant idea of using a sales tax hike to pay for property tax relief in the form of rebates.

Oh, and then when sales tax revenue dropped off a cliff, they eliminated the rebates in most instances, but kept the sales tax hike. Then, Trenton decided to impose a temporary surtax on millionaires (but which actually hit those with income as low as $500k), to make budget - but when that temporary surtax expired, the Democrats demanded that it be extended to pay for the expenditures.

It's no wonder that people around NJ are fed up with taxes.

Yep. Pay all those taxes, and they still live in Jersey.

*ducks*

More seriously, though, how hard is it to look over at other states and ask how they seem to get by on far less income? That's the part i liked the least about living in Chicago...the pretense that they needed all of that money.

346 Boogberg  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 8:17:15am

re: #338 Mad Al-Jaffee

That is pretty cool. :)

347 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 8:17:23am

re: #338 Mad Al-Jaffee

And you watched her ass as she pushed her kid on...

348 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 8:18:32am

re: #341 darthstar

I didn't miss the point. I called President Obama Hitler...
/

Pay no attention to that knocking on your door. it's only these guys
Image: Obama%20Youth.jpg

349 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 8:18:33am

re: #336 Boogberg

extra foot/pounds per square inch? :D

Er... ask Ludwig on that one... I'm not up on physics.

350 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 8:18:52am

re: #347 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

And you watched pinched her ass as she pushed her kid on...

ftfy

351 laZardo  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 8:19:15am

re: #344 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Lucky him. My little brother is the bassist for one of those college bands.

Bout a month or two ago he and the band got interviewed on a punk-rock radio station.

/stewing in envy

352 Slap  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 8:19:55am

re: #311 albusteve


There was a place in DC called the Cellar Door. Sat 160, legally speaking, but I think they regularly pushed 200. (I'm sure there are Lizards who knew the place.) I must have seen close to 15 shows or more there -- talk about intimate! It had a balcony, and the tables were no more than two rows deep on either floor -- it was all stage. (Miles Davis' Live/Evil was recorded there.)

Big names at teeny venues is a concept that doesn't happen much anymore, sadly. The Cellar Door and Bayou and Desperadoes, all great DC clubs, are long gone, and they were unbelievable in their prime.....

353 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 8:20:22am

re: #339 albusteve

sounds like Joe Bonamassa...12 yr old prodigy...anyway I love small clubs, and most of my favorite bands play them, nothing like it in the world...I'm addicted...and Chick's sounds exactly right for me, a joint with a history

My brother used to describe Chick's to people by saying "You'd think you'd died and gone to Texas!"

354 Boogberg  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 8:20:28am

re: #349 Walter L. Newton

Er... ask Ludwig on that one... I'm not up on physics.

It was a "Shining" reference. A vague one at that. Nevermind. :D

355 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 8:21:37am

re: #344 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I taught my son the ten/twelve chords I know... and handed him one of those Hal Leonard chord books.

Three or four weeks later he came to me and was playing along with stuff on CDs.

Got him lessons. Three or four years later, (three teachers later) the music place basically fired him. Said, "You dad is paying good money for you to come over here and jam with us."

He was/is extremely talented. But what helps? Four three or four years (while maintaining a 3.8 GPA, he played four to five hours per day.

My opinion, teaching someone music and how to play an instrument, even if they don't use it for much of anything later on in life, it does instill a thinking process in them that is very helpful, very natural and can really lend to increasing logical and critical thinking skills...

Does that make sense? I know what I am trying to say, just don't know if I made that clear.

Of course, jazz musicians are fucked up, neural paths already blown.

356 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 8:21:39am

re: #351 laZardo

My son's band is going on tour. 45 days, 40 shows... all over the fruited plains.

They'll come back having broken even financially, but happier than shit.

357 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 8:21:44am

re: #344 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

You know what excellent musicians with 3.8 GPA's have?

Options.

Good kid you have there-

358 lawhawk  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 8:21:56am

re: #345 Aceofwhat?

Well, I'm living in NJ because NY taxes and real estate prices forced us out. We couldn't afford to live there (and our jobs are in NYC).

But as I wrote earlier this week, there's a reason that people are fleeing from places like the NYC metro area for other parts of the country - the crushing tax burdens being a major reason.

359 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 8:22:12am

re: #352 Slap

There was a place in DC called the Cellar Door. Sat 160, legally speaking, but I think they regularly pushed 200. (I'm sure there are Lizards who knew the place.) I must have seen close to 15 shows or more there -- talk about intimate! It had a balcony, and the tables were no more than two rows deep on either floor -- it was all stage. (Miles Davis' Live/Evil was recorded there.)

Big names at teeny venues is a concept that doesn't happen much anymore, sadly. The Cellar Door and Bayou and Desperadoes, all great DC clubs, are long gone, and they were unbelievable in their prime...

I was too young for that era, but I know plenty of people who played those clubs and more who hung out there. The only one I've been to was The Bayou.

360 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 8:22:14am

re: #352 Slap

I fondly recall Pauls Mall and The Jazz Workshop in Boston. Combined, I doubt the two of them (they were in the same building) could seat 150 people

Sandys Jazz Revival in Beverly Mass was bigger, but all three drew TOP jazz artists in their day

361 albusteve  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 8:22:53am

re: #352 Slap

There was a place in DC called the Cellar Door. Sat 160, legally speaking, but I think they regularly pushed 200. (I'm sure there are Lizards who knew the place.) I must have seen close to 15 shows or more there -- talk about intimate! It had a balcony, and the tables were no more than two rows deep on either floor -- it was all stage. (Miles Davis' Live/Evil was recorded there.)

Big names at teeny venues is a concept that doesn't happen much anymore, sadly. The Cellar Door and Bayou and Desperadoes, all great DC clubs, are long gone, and they were unbelievable in their prime...

that's what House of Blues is all about....clubs are coming back, not that they ever went away...major bands like those gigs when the money is 'good enough' and it often is

362 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 8:23:09am

re: #340 sattv4u2

ANd if you toss an item into the bag, instead of placing it, that extra momentary "force" can upset the weighing

Dipstick in front of me the other day couldn't understand why the self check machine kept telling her there were "unexpected items in the bagging area". Her toddler kept sitting on the bagging bench!

I have a rule when I am attending self scan (I hate working self scan)... if you see a woman walking up with high heels, or a man walking up with cowboy boot on, at some point you are going to have to assist them.

363 darthstar  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 8:24:00am

Okay, so we know that there's this oil gushing into the gulf. We know that it's toxic to all marine life and mammals if ingested. So, what's a parent to do? Why, let their kid roll around in the shit at the beach, of course.


364 albusteve  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 8:24:14am

re: #356 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

My son's band is going on tour. 45 days, 40 shows... all over the fruited plains.

They'll come back having broken even financially, but happier than shit.

really cool

365 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 8:24:54am

re: #347 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

And you watched her ass as she pushed her kid on...

I left that part out on purpose.

But with the extremely hot weather we've been having, the way some women have been dressing lately have been making my commute nicer.

366 albusteve  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 8:25:10am

re: #359 Mad Al-Jaffee

I was too young for that era, but I know plenty of people who played those clubs and more who hung out there. The only one I've been to was The Bayou.

any news about the Birchmere?

367 lawhawk  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 8:25:57am

re: #363 darthstar

Stuck. On. Stupid.

368 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 8:26:11am

re: #355 Walter L. Newton

He was a theory wiz too. You can master the Mathematics arts? You can master music.

He can shred with the best of them, and he comes home, whips out his classical and plays for his old man. Tats all over, beard to his chest, and still my baby boy.

The current shit storm that is my life has made me a bit melancholy.

369 Slap  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 8:26:52am

re: #355 Walter L. Newton

Walter, you're spot on. Learning an instrument opens the brain to an entirely new vocabulary of cognitive connections.

Hell, it's magic. Using a device to manipulate invisible air molecules in a specifically-organized fashion is no small thing.

370 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 8:27:34am

re: #365 Mad Al-Jaffee

I KNEW IT!

371 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 8:27:53am

re: #361 albusteve

that's what House of Blues is all about...clubs are coming back, not that they ever went away...major bands like those gigs when the money is 'good enough' and it often is

We still have the 9:30 Club and they're supposed to open a second Birchmere really close to me.

There's a place in Northern VA called JV's that's supposed to be a lot like the Surf Club. I need to check it out one of these days.

372 Slap  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 8:28:22am

re: #366 albusteve

It's still around, last I checked -- that was a pretty good place, too. Saw Fairport Convention there back in '89 or '90....

373 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 8:29:35am

re: #363 darthstar

You've pre-paid over a thousand dollars for a week at the beach. (thats the low end of the scale for there),,, Ocean front condos/ homes go for several thousand a week) As the ladies said, it wasn't there (Destin) or Fort Walton yesterday, so it's not like they said "hey ,,lets bring the kids to the beach and have them suck oily sand"

374 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 8:29:35am

re: #369 Slap

Walter, you're spot on. Learning an instrument opens the brain to an entirely new vocabulary of cognitive connections.

Hell, it's magic. Using a device to manipulate invisible air molecules in a specifically-organized fashion is no small thing.

Thanks for putting that into a more succinct statement. My writing style is more populist, sometimes lacking in the finer details.

375 albusteve  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 8:31:04am

re: #372 Slap

It's still around, last I checked -- that was a pretty good place, too. Saw Fairport Convention there back in '89 or '90...

nice place, I like the Birch...who wouldn't?

376 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 8:31:17am

re: #369 Slap

Walter, you're spot on. Learning an instrument opens the brain to an entirely new vocabulary of cognitive connections.

I know LOTS of musicians who are software engineers or with some kind of career in IT.

377 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 8:32:47am

re: #355 Walter L. Newton

My opinion, teaching someone music and how to play an instrument, even if they don't use it for much of anything later on in life, it does instill a thinking process in them that is very helpful, very natural and can really lend to increasing logical and critical thinking skills...

My mom was forced to take piano lessons as a kid. Her mother said she'd appreciate it later.

She did. I was then forced to take piano lessons as a kid. Mom said i'd appreciate it later.

I did.

In two years, I'll force my daughter to take piano lessons!

378 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 8:33:15am

re: #325 Aceofwhat?

How are you feeling? Better today than last week?

A bit. I haven't hit the heavy meds yet. :)

379 darthstar  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 8:33:59am

re: #373 sattv4u2

You've pre-paid over a thousand dollars for a week at the beach. (thats the low end of the scale for there),,, Ocean front condos/ homes go for several thousand a week) As the ladies said, it wasn't there (Destin) or Fort Walton yesterday, so it's not like they said "hey ,,lets bring the kids to the beach and have them suck oily sand"

Sunscreen, check.
Umbrella, check.
Towels, check.
Rubber gloves, check.
Dispersants, check.
Dawn detergent for detoxifying the children, check.

How much money are the kids worth again?

380 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 8:34:01am

re: #377 Aceofwhat?

My mom was forced to take piano lessons as a kid. Her mother said she'd appreciate it later.

She did. I was then forced to take piano lessons as a kid. Mom said i'd appreciate it later.

I did.

In two years, I'll force my daughter to take piano lessons!


in 15 years she'll be in therapy!!
//

381 abolitionist  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 8:35:00am

re: #355 Walter L. Newton

My opinion, teaching someone music and how to play an instrument, even if they don't use it for much of anything later on in life, it does instill a thinking process in them that is very helpful, very natural and can really lend to increasing logical and critical thinking skills...

Does that make sense? I know what I am trying to say, just don't know if I made that clear.

Of course, jazz musicians are fucked up, neural paths already blown.

Maybe relevent:
Your Computer Really Is a Part of You

An empirical test of ideas proposed by Martin Heidegger shows the great German philosopher to be correct: Everyday tools really do become part of ourselves.

The findings come from a deceptively simple study of people using a computer mouse rigged to malfunction. The resulting disruption in attention wasn’t superficial. It seemingly extended to the very roots of cognition.
[snip]

Makes one worry about violent computer games, tho.

382 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 8:35:43am

re: #380 sattv4u2

in 15 years she'll be in therapy!!
//

Heh.

She can quit when she's 16, if she likes. By that point, she'll have had enough to last her for the rest of her life, and i'll have done my duty in that narrow regard.

383 Slap  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 8:36:43am

Gotta fly, work beckons.

Sing on, everybody!

384 albusteve  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 8:36:50am

CHICAGO - If the U.S. Supreme Court strikes down Chicago's handgun ban, the city will likely do what Washington, D.C., did when its own ban was overturned two years ago: Put in place all sorts of regulations and restrictions to make it tougher to buy guns and easier for police to know who has them.
"We're not going to roll over," Chicago Mayor Richard Daley said.

"we will try desperately to circumvent the LAW"....check out the funny picture

385 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 8:38:07am

re: #379 darthstar

Sunscreen, check.
Umbrella, check.
Towels, check.
Rubber gloves, check.
Dispersants, check.
Dawn detergent for detoxifying the children, check.

How much money are the kids worth again?

priceless, obviously

but as stated, they were
A) not expecting it there that day ("it wasn't there this morning,,, wasn't at Fort Walton yesterday")
B) prepared (mother stated she had goo gone, just in case)
C) the people were doing their best to avoid it AND remove it as soon as they came in contact with it
D) for this time of year, for that beach, it was pretty empty so most decided not to go, and the ones that were there probably didn;t stay long

386 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 8:38:59am

re: #385 sattv4u2

I messed that one up badly

trying again below

387 darthstar  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 8:39:27am

re: #386 sattv4u2

I messed that one up badly

trying again below

Nah...I got it.

388 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 8:39:29am

re: #379 darthstar

Sunscreen, check.
Umbrella, check.
Towels, check.
Rubber gloves, check.
Dispersants, check.
Dawn detergent for detoxifying the children, check.

How much money are the kids worth again?


priceless, obviously

but as stated, they were
A) not expecting it there that day ("it wasn't there this morning,,, wasn't at Fort Walton yesterday")
B) prepared (mother stated she had goo gone, just in case)
C) the people were doing their best to avoid it AND remove it as soon as they came in contact with it
D) for this time of year, for that beach, it was pretty empty so most decided not to go, and the ones that were there probably didn;t stay long

389 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 8:39:52am

re: #381 abolitionist

Makes one worry about violent computer games, tho.

Nah. It's a fascinating insight into how the brain adapts to the tool as an extension of the body, which is wholly different than a study of how subject matter affects emotional cognition, reasoning, and higher thinking.

390 BARACK THE VOTE  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 8:42:37am

re: #295 lawhawk

Parents of alleged NJ terrorist Mohammed Alessa blame the FBI for their kid turning to jihad.

Gotcha. Alessa's parents are in denial that their kid was a ticking time bomb and the FBI caught him before he did something really bad.

Yes, they are.
What they're saying now in your link is wholly unlike their initial statements to the NYT and others, as I posted here at the time:
From Wayward Teenagers to Terror Suspects

One was a spoiled child so prone to fits of rage — fights, screamed insults, threats — that his parents began taking him to psychiatrists at age 6 and medicating him in a vain struggle to control his moods. By their count, his short fuse and incendiary tongue forced him to change schools no fewer than 10 times.[...]“Of course we tried everything we could,” said Nadia Alessa, mother of Mohamed M. Alessa, the one so given to angry outbursts. “We couldn’t just keep him at home.”[...]“He was a spoiled kid,” Ms. Alessa conceded. “He acted like a teenager. He thought he was a king.”

She said Mohamed attended the local public elementary school, two Catholic grade schools, a boarding school in Connecticut, a school for troubled youth, three Muslim schools and two public high schools, repeatedly getting into trouble for fighting or mouthing off.

At the two public high schools, North Bergen and KAS Prep, Mr. Alessa made an escalating series of threats against students and staff members through 2005 and 2006, saying that he would blow up the school, mutilate gays and punish women who were not subordinate to men, according to officials granted anonymity to discuss confidential matters. Both schools alerted the Department of Homeland Security.

As a 10th grader at North Bergen High, he had to receive his lessons at a local public library under the eye of a security guard, said Paul Swibinski, a school spokesman, because “administrators felt that his presence in school posed a safety threat to other students and staff.”

Alessa was on a DHS watch list since he was 15.

The remind me of the Columbine killers. Alessa is like Eric Harris-- the psychopath who was dangerous and would have killed people someday in some fashion no matter what. And like Harris, Alessa appears to have parents who alternately had no idea what to do but would reflexively defend him. (In contrast to Klebold and his parents).

I have some sympathy for the parents because the desire to protect your child is so strong, and this kid (sorry to say) appears to have been a monster since birth.

In contrast,

In October 2006, the Federal Bureau of Investigation received a tip that Mr. Alessa and Mr. Almonte talked about holy war and killing non-Muslims, and law enforcement agencies began keeping a watch on them. From the start, the authorities were in touch with Mr. Almonte’s family


Almonte's family tipped off the FBI about him and immediately cooperated with the authorities for years before this 2010 arrest.

391 Ericus58  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 8:44:16am

Wall Street Wins, Main Street Loses in Bank Overhaul: Bove

[Link: www.cnbc.com...]

""I talked to the CEO of one of the five largest banks in the country ... I said 'this bill is going to knock 33 percent of your customers out,' he said 'you're crazy, Dick, it's going to be 20 percent,'" he said. "The point is that the banks can get this money back, the consumer can't."

When the credit card bill was passed, interest rates were raised for some consumers, others had their fees increased while some lost their access to credit, he noted.

"You're going to see exactly the same thing happening," Bove said.

But banks are overcapitalized anyway, and the new measures will mean that, despite this, they will still not lend, choking the recovery, he said.

"Not one person in Congress has looked at the impact on money supply as a result of what's being done to the banking industry," Bove said.

Steps taken by the Federal Reserve to pump liquidity in the economy is not translating into the money supply because banks don't lend enough, since the government has forced them to overcapitalize, he said.

"You must have banks lending money in order to grow money supply," Bove said."

392 albusteve  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 8:46:27am

IAF strikes in Gaza Strip
IAF aircraft struck in the Gaza Strip overnight Thursday, targeting a weapons cache in the north and two smuggling tunnels in the south, the army said.
A spokesman for the military said the strikes were in response to yesterday’s rocket attacks from the Strip.

hit back every time....go IAF!

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

393 albusteve  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 8:50:54am

Yahoo just invaded...somehow I have their toolbar installed...motherfuckers

394 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 8:51:38am

bbiab...

395 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 8:51:38am

re: #224 Walter L. Newton

Reading the article in Huffington, what I found most interesting was that all the compromises that eventually watered down the bill were compromises instigated and approved by Democrats, since the Republicans once again decided to stay unanimously against the bill in any form.

The weaknesses of this bill can only be laid in the laps of the Democrats. The GOP may be the party of NO, but the Democrats are doing a good job of proving they are the party of CAN'T.

Of course. The GOP literally isn't any longer participating in the legislative process. They took their ball and went home. This is a deliberate strategy, designed to result in the failure of the legislature as a whole, and of course, it works.

It amazes me that you see two parties, one that fails despite effort to produce good legislation, and one that actively fights ANY attempts at doing so, and you find less fault with the party that has openly stated that their goal is to railroad any and all progress for a hoped political gain.

Of course, you're just being "post-partisan", huh?

396 Ayeless in Ghazi  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 8:51:43am

re: #363 darthstar

Okay, so we know that there's this oil gushing into the gulf. We know that it's toxic to all marine life and mammals if ingested. So, what's a parent to do? Why, let their kid roll around in the shit at the beach, of course.

[Video]

Stoopid envyurmint!

397 laZardo  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 8:54:01am

GAME!

Portugal 0 - 0 Brazil

398 albusteve  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 8:55:09am

re: #395 Fozzie Bear

Of course. The GOP literally isn't any longer participating in the legislative process. They took their ball and went home. This is a deliberate strategy, designed to result in the failure of the legislature as a whole, and of course, it works.

It amazes me that you see two parties, one that fails despite effort to produce good legislation, and one that actively fights ANY attempts at doing so, and you find less fault with the party that has openly stated that their goal is to railroad any and all progress for a hoped political gain.

Of course, you're just being "post-partisan", huh?

the party of no verses the party of can't...big whoop, the feds suck

399 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 8:55:23am

The Pentagon’s top civilian and military leaders said Thursday that they fully support the removal of Gen. Stanley McChrystal as top NATO commander in Afghanistan after he was quoted in Rolling Stone magazine criticizing the Obama administration.

His nominated replacement, Gen. David Petraeus, will be able to make adjustments in war plans and tactics, including the rules of engagement that many troops feel handcuff their efforts, the officials said in a Pentagon news conference.

“Any new commander, Gen. Petraeus included, will go in, assess his command, and what it is going to take to achieve the mission,” said Joint Chiefs Chairman Adm. Mike Mullen, speaking alongside Defense Secretary Robert Gates.

Petraeus “certainly has the flexibility to make changes that he thinks are necessary,” Mullen said.

SNIP

Gates and Mullen defended the war effort in Afghanistan, despite widespread corruption concerns; difficulties in recruiting, training and retaining enough Afghan security force personnel; and reports of continued fighting in Marjah even as the Kandahar campaign — which McChrystal recently said wouldn’t get under way in earnest until fall — continues to heat up.

The overall situation in Marjah is improving despite continued Taliban resistance, Mullen said.

“This is classic counterinsurgency,” he said. “We haven’t put off the operation in Kandahar. … And in any operation, you make adjustments.”

“I do not believe we are bogged down,” Gates said. “I believe we are making some progress. It is slower, and harder than we anticipated.”

SNIP

400 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 8:56:29am

This might shock some of you, but I'm actually going to watch one of those kick the ball games tomorrow. One of my best friends is a fan and he want's to get together and watch it. He was originally going to pick me up on the way to DC and we were going to watch a USA game at a friend's party. He told me he would rather have me come to Baltimore and hang out at his place. No problems for me to do that. His wife is also a good friend, and their one and a half your old daughter is awesomely adorable.

401 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 8:56:39am

re: #398 albusteve

The thing is, you are completely ignoring the reason that the party of "can't" is the party of can't.

402 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 8:57:11am

re: #395 Fozzie Bear

one that fails despite effort to produce good legislation

Why are they "failing" if the legislation is that "good"?

Majority in the Senate,, CHECK
Majority in the House ,,, CHECK
President AND VP ,,,,,,,,,, CHECK

403 darthstar  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 8:57:41am

re: #393 albusteve

Yahoo just invaded...somehow I have their toolbar installed...motherfuckers

Yahoo's toolbar is embedded in lots of shit out there. You must have accepted the defaults on some application. But you can uninstall it through the control panel, or at least hide it through the view/menus on your browser.

404 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 8:58:25am

re: #395 Fozzie Bear

Of course. The GOP literally isn't any longer participating in the legislative process. They took their ball and went home. This is a deliberate strategy, designed to result in the failure of the legislature as a whole, and of course, it works.

It amazes me that you see two parties, one that fails despite effort to produce good legislation, and one that actively fights ANY attempts at doing so, and you find less fault with the party that has openly stated that their goal is to railroad any and all progress for a hoped political gain.

Of course, you're just being "post-partisan", huh?

Hmmm... I just called the GOP the party of "NO"... that said, which is evident that they tried to obstruct this bill at all levels, now, where does that leave us... well, the Democrats who have the majority here... that failed to produce good legislation, as per your comment, and my agreement.

I think the financial institutions needed a good crackdown... the Democrats, who could have changed that (evidently the GOP had no desire to change anything)... caved (which is no wonder, the folks in DC work for special interest, not our interest).

405 albusteve  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 8:58:42am

America is heading toward a colossal defeat in Afghanistan. Unless there is a dramatic change in policy and leadership, the United States will suffer the most calamitous military setback in its history - one that will mark the end of the American moment, the loss of superpower status in the eyes of the world.
Yet the dismissal of Gen. McChrystal reveals the profound failure of Mr. Obama's wartime leadership. Gen. McChrystal voted for Mr. Obama. He was the president's handpicked successor to lead the military campaign in Afghanistan. Along with Mr. Obama, it was Gen. McChrystal who formulated - and signed off on - the counterinsurgency strategy now being implemented. He agreed to the strict rules of engagement, which prevent our soldiers from effectively fighting the Taliban for fear of hurting civilians.

something really stinks in Afghanistan...the wheels are falling off

[Link: www.washingtontimes.com...]

406 Targetpractice  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 8:59:26am

Good day, fellow lizards. What's the good word?

407 albusteve  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 8:59:48am

re: #401 Fozzie Bear

The thing is, you are completely ignoring the reason that the party of "can't" is the party of can't.

no I'm not...dem legislation sucks, you seem to be ignoring that

408 laZardo  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 9:00:11am

re: #405 albusteve

The hideous implication in all that is that the mujahideen will have literally become an invincible army, having fended off the British, the Soviets and the Americans if we lose.

409 laZardo  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 9:00:34am

re: #406 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Good day, fellow lizards. What's the good word?

Chile vs. Spain and Switzerland vs. Honduras coming up in a bit...

410 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 9:00:52am

Decisions Decisions Decisions

A) sleep for several hours (just got home after a 12 hour overnight shift)
B) watch soccer (Portugal - Brazil should be a good match)
C) go do my errands now and sleep LATER (have to go back into work tonight)
D) sit here and say fuggit about A, B and C

411 Targetpractice  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 9:01:05am

re: #409 laZardo

Chile vs. Spain and Switzerland vs. Honduras coming up in a bit...

Good times.

412 Targetpractice  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 9:01:27am

re: #410 sattv4u2

Decisions Decisions Decisions

A) sleep for several hours (just got home after a 12 hour overnight shift)
B) watch soccer (Portugal - Brazil should be a good match)
C) go do my errands now and sleep LATER (have to go back into work tonight)
D) sit here and say fuggit about A, B and C

E) Ron Paul

413 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 9:01:32am

re: #401 Fozzie Bear

The thing is, you are completely ignoring the reason that the party of "can't" is the party of can't.

Well, educate us? I say it's because it's business as usual... caving in to special interest... big money... big business... both side do it all the time... and it's some fucking illusion of you think otherwise.

You talk about whether or not I am "post-partisan?" Shit, maybe you need to look at yourself and wonder if you are holding on to a moonbeam. The feds, all in all, are fucking you royally, and you give them the thumbs up.

Blind.

414 albusteve  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 9:01:35am

re: #403 darthstar

Yahoo's toolbar is embedded in lots of shit out there. You must have accepted the defaults on some application. But you can uninstall it through the control panel, or at least hide it through the view/menus on your browser.

I'm fussing with it now...my screen flashed a couple of times and LGF crashed, I shut off the browser and when it came back up there was Yahoo in my face...thanks for the tips

415 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 9:01:54am

Nicaraguan President Daniel Ortega is allegedly dipping into hefty Venezuela-funded coffers to bribe, buy and scatter the weakened opposition as part of his push for a second term, lawmakers and analysts say.

And when money doesn't work, Ortega's ruling Sandinista Front is using strong-arm tactics to silence the opposition, including the removal of four democratically elected mayors in the past month, the analysts say.

Several opposition lawmakers in the National Assembly have accused the Sandinistas of offering substantial sums of money to reach the 56 votes -- or 60 percent of lawmakers -- needed to reverse the constitutional ban on consecutive reelection and legitimize Ortega's 2011 candidacy. Sandinista lawmakers deny the allegations.

A Sandinista-controlled division of the Supreme Court ruled last year that the reelection ban doesn't apply to Ortega, who is already advertising his candidacy on billboards across the capital. But to eliminate doubt about whether his candidacy is legal, Sandinistas are moving to reform the constitution and strike the reelection ban altogether, analysts say.

SNIP

Since returning to power in 2007, Ortega has received about $1.1 billion in aid from Venezuelan President Hugo Chávez, according to the Central Bank. Accusations that Sandinistas have offered bribes have caused rifts and suspicions among the opposition.

SNIP

416 Ayeless in Ghazi  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 9:02:11am

New ocean discovered in Africa - not kidding:

Africa 'witnessing birth of a new ocean'

Africa is witnessing the birth of a new ocean, according to scientists at the Royal Society.

Geologists working in the remote Afar region of Ethiopia say the ocean will eventually split the African continent in two, though it will take about 10 million years.

Lead researcher Tim Wright who is presenting the research at the Royal Society's Summer Exhibition, described the events as "truly incredible".

Used to understanding changes in the planet on timescales of millions of years, the international team of scientists including Dr Wright have seen amazing changes in Afar in the past five years, where the continent is cracking open, quite literally underneath their feet.

In 2005, a 60km long stretch of the earth opened up to a width of eight metres over a period of just ten days.

Hot, molten rock from deep within the Earth is trickling to the surface and creating the split.

Underground eruptions are still continuing and, ultimately, the horn of Africa will fall away and a new ocean will form.

continued:

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

417 laZardo  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 9:02:28am

re: #410 sattv4u2

Decisions Decisions Decisions

A) sleep for several hours (just got home after a 12 hour overnight shift)
B) watch soccer (Portugal - Brazil should be a good match)
B) go do my errands now and sleep LATER (have to go back into work tonight)
C) sit here and say fuggit about A and B

FTFY

418 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 9:02:51am

re: #410 sattv4u2

Decisions Decisions Decisions

A) sleep for several hours (just got home after a 12 hour overnight shift)
B) watch soccer (Portugal - Brazil should be a good match)
C) go do my errands now and sleep LATER (have to go back into work tonight)
D) sit here and say fuggit about A, B and C

OOOPPSSS ,,, B) was meant to be Chile vs. Spain and Switzerland vs. Honduras

419 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 9:03:25am

re: #417 laZardo

FTFY

thanks ,, yeah ,, me's tired!!!

(see 418)

420 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 9:03:37am

re: #416 Jimmah

New ocean discovered in Africa - not kidding:


continued:

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

Release the Kraken!

421 researchok  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 9:03:59am

re: #390 iceweasel

Almonte's family tipped off the FBI about him and immediately cooperated with the authorities for years before this 2010 arrest.

In attempting to blame the Feds, Alessa's parents only indicate their complete unfitness as parents.

While the Columbine adults failed miserably as parents (as in in how do you not know your kid has guns and pipe bombs in his room you were unaware of) Alessa's parents are far more sinister. They kniew he was dysfuctional and did nothing. They knew he expressed homicidal thoughts and did nothing.

There are equally as culpable as their dysfunctional kid. They enabled him and his bad behavior and continue to do so now by apologizing for him and placing the blame anywhere they can- except where it belongs.

Imagine a parent whop knew their kid had aids and did nothing to stop him from having sex others. They are as culpable as their kid.

422 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 9:04:05am

re: #407 albusteve

no I'm not...dem legislation sucks, you seem to be ignoring that

As initially proposed, the financial reform bill was strong.

As initially proposed, the public option was a great idea.

Congress is where great ideas go to die. The ideas start out strong, then cynicism and mistrust allows them to leave the job unfinished, or watered down.

There are plenty of good people in congress, trying hard to get things done. What is needed is people who pay attention and reward the good actors, not this kind of nihilistic tripe.

423 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 9:04:37am

re: #416 Jimmah

New ocean discovered in Africa - not kidding:

continued:

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

I'm calling my real estate agent. I'm putting a deposit down NOW for acres of ocean front property!

424 lawhawk  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 9:05:46am

re: #390 iceweasel

Absolutely. You should make that its own LGF page. Excellent comment and rebuttal to the family's denial (not just the river in Egypt) about their son's violent tendencies and his descent into jihad.

425 Ayeless in Ghazi  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 9:06:01am

re: #406 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Good day, fellow lizards. What's the good word?

Hail Satan!

426 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 9:06:23am

re: #422 Fozzie Bear

As initially proposed, the financial reform bill was strong.

As initially proposed, the public option was a great idea.

Congress is where great ideas go to die. The ideas start out strong, then cynicism and mistrust allows them to leave the job unfinished, or watered down.

There are plenty of good people in congress, trying hard to get things done. What is needed is people who pay attention and reward the good actors, not this kind of nihilistic tripe.

Correction... "The Democrat majority Congress is where ideas go to die..."

427 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 9:06:59am

re: #390 iceweasel

Up ding.

428 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 9:08:07am

re: #422 Fozzie Bear

There are plenty of good people in congress, trying hard to get things done

Are there any on the party of "NO" side, or just the side thats making an "effort to produce good legislation,"?

429 Four More Tears  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 9:09:15am

re: #426 Walter L. Newton

Correction... "The Democrat majority Congress is where ideas go to die..."

Uh huh. And every week, from now until the Republicans take back the Senate, there will be weekly performances of "The Filibuster" on Capitol Hill...

430 researchok  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 9:10:20am

California welfare recipients withdrew $1.8 million at casino ATMs over eight months

California welfare recipients using state-issued debit cards withdrew more than $1.8 million in taxpayer cash on casino floors between October 2009 and last month, state officials said Thursday.

Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger issued an executive order requiring welfare recipients to promise they will use cash benefits only to "meet the basic subsistence needs" of their families. The order also gave the state Department of Social Services seven days to produce a plan to reduce other types of "waste, fraud and abuse" in the welfare program.

The moves came after The Times reported Wednesday that officials at the department failed to notice for years that welfare recipients could use the state-issued cards to withdraw taxpayer cash at more than half of the tribal casinos and state-licensed poker rooms in California. The state initiated the debit card program in 2002.

Casino withdrawals, which represented far less than 1% of total welfare spending during the eight months for which the department released data, averaged just over $227,392 a month....

431 Ericus58  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 9:11:11am

re: #416 Jimmah

Geology sure ain't boring!

432 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 9:11:15am

re: #429 JasonA

Uh huh. And every week, from now until the Republicans take back the Senate, there will be weekly performances of "The Filibuster" on Capitol Hill...

JAson, you learn in life, sometimes NO is the right answer

5 year old,, "Mommy,, can I have a beer?"
10 year old,,"Granpa, can I have those matches?"
14 year old.."Dad, can I take the SUV for a spin?"

433 blueraven  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 9:11:29am

re: #426 Walter L. Newton

Correction... "The Democrat majority Congress is where ideas go to die..."

But you are not partisan...lol

434 Targetpractice  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 9:12:02am

re: #425 Jimmah

Hail Satan!

Damnit, who told you?!

435 Four More Tears  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 9:12:09am

re: #432 sattv4u2

Yes. I see the similarity between those examples and legislation...

436 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 9:12:54am

re: #433 blueraven

But you are not partisan...lol

who's in charge of both houses AND the executive office

not partisan ,,, reality! Walter has placed the knock on Repubs/ Conservatives many a time

437 Targetpractice  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 9:13:10am

re: #432 sattv4u2

JAson, you learn in life, sometimes NO is the right answer

5 year old,, "Mommy,, can I have a beer?"
10 year old,,"Granpa, can I have those matches?"
14 year old.."Dad, can I take the SUV for a spin?"

Mommy, can we give the unemployed another extension?

438 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 9:13:22am

re: #429 JasonA

Uh huh. And every week, from now until the Republicans take back the Senate, there will be weekly performances of "The Filibuster" on Capitol Hill...

The GOP is screwing with this, something that I agree needs to be passed, with strong requirements... that said... what we are seeing here is the typical pandering to special interests, big money and big business... both side do it... they tell us they won't/don't... if you believe otherwise... it's a fantasy..

439 darthstar  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 9:13:53am

Uh-oh...Bobby Jindal playing politics with the National Guard, and gets caught in a lie.

But Coast Guard Adm. Thad Allen, the national incident commander in charge of the government's response to the spill, said Jindal is just flat wrong.

"There is nothing standing in the governor's way from utilizing more National Guard troops," Allen said.

In fact, the Coast Guard says every request to use the National Guard has been approved, usually within a day. Now Jindal's office acknowledged to CBS News the governor has not specifically asked for more Guard troops to be deployed.

440 abolitionist  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 9:14:04am

re: #416 Jimmah

Excerpted from your quote: In 2005, a 60km long stretch of the earth opened up to a width of eight metres over a period of just ten days.

Hot, molten rock from deep within the Earth is trickling to the surface and creating the split.

I imagine the slow thermal up and down convection currents within the earth likely affect climate too. I'm assuming they shift around somewhat chaotically, rather than "staying put" with respect to the continents. When there's an upward flow under a major land mass (vs oceans), the heat transfer to the surface would be reduced for a while.

441 darthstar  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 9:14:22am

re: #439 darthstar

Uh-oh...Bobby Jindal playing politics with the National Guard, and gets caught in a lie.

But Coast Guard Adm. Thad Allen, the national incident commander in charge of the government's response to the spill, said Jindal is just flat wrong.

"There is nothing standing in the governor's way from utilizing more National Guard troops," Allen said.

In fact, the Coast Guard says every request to use the National Guard has been approved, usually within a day. Now Jindal's office acknowledged to CBS News the governor has not specifically asked for more Guard troops to be deployed.

Bolded stuff should have been a blockquote.

442 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 9:15:13am

re: #437 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Mommy, can we give the unemployed another extension?

Dad, can we buy lots of stuff with money we don't have, that we'll have to borrow from the guy across town that really doesn't like us?

443 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 9:16:11am

re: #433 blueraven

But you are not partisan...lol

Right... go back up thread and read what I have said on this topic. The party of "NO" has tried to obstruct this... this bill needed to be passed... with strongs rules and regulations to put a halt to all this unbridled machinations with the publics money.. the Dems had a strong bill.. the Dems gave in to their OWN special interests... and screw the pooch... partisan... no.. facts... yes.

444 Targetpractice  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 9:16:41am

re: #442 sattv4u2

Dad, can we buy lots of stuff with money we don't have, that we'll have to borrow from the guy across town that really doesn't like us?

Yeah, we wanna run two wars with no end, pay for tax cuts during those wars, Medicare Part D, No Child Left Behind, etc, etc...

445 laZardo  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 9:16:54am

re: #443 Walter L. Newton

Right... go back up thread and read what I have said on this topic. The party of "NO" has tried to obstruct this... this bill needed to be passed... with strongs rules and regulations to put a halt to all this unbridled machinations with the publics money.. the Dems had a strong bill.. the Dems gave in to their OWN special interests... and screw the pooch... partisan... no.. facts... yes.

Blue Dogs, my guess.

446 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 9:17:16am

re: #426 Walter L. Newton

Correction... "The Democrat majority Congress is where ideas go to die..."

Thanks to GOP opposition supported by republicans such as yourself, yes.

447 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 9:17:18am
448 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 9:17:36am

re: #433 blueraven

But you are not partisan...lol

And I'm suppose to be happy with a bill that I feel has been watered down, a bill that even the left is complaining about in its' current form, and that makes me partisan... bullshit.

449 Four More Tears  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 9:18:02am

re: #444 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Yeah, we wanna run two wars with no end, pay for tax cuts during those wars, Medicare Part D, No Child Left Behind, etc, etc...

Those Democrats were so reckless with their spending...

450 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 9:18:14am

re: #446 Fozzie Bear

Thanks to GOP opposition supported by republicans such as yourself, yes.

Where above have I supported the GOP opposition to this... show me?

451 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 9:19:17am

re: #446 Fozzie Bear

Thanks to GOP opposition supported by republicans such as yourself, yes.

P.S. I am not a Republican... and I did not vote for any Republican candidates in the last election cycle.

452 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 9:20:21am

re: #444 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Yeah, we wanna run two wars with no end, pay for tax cuts during those wars, Medicare Part D, No Child Left Behind, etc, etc...

Yup,, because wars are something one "WANTS" to run
Tax cuts that produce higher revenues each time it's been tried (see Kennedy, John,,,, Reagan,,, Ronald ,,,)
Medicare Part D that was pushed by both sides
NCLB that was authored by Kennedy, Ted

thanks for playing

453 Targetpractice  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 9:21:36am

re: #449 JasonA

Those Democrats were so reckless with their spending...

Well, I'm not dropping the whole kit-and-kaboodle on Bush or the Republican's heads, because at no time during the former's presidency did the latter ever obtain the sort of majority the Democrats have enjoyed since '08.

454 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 9:21:38am

re: #451 Walter L. Newton

P.S. I am not a Republican... and I did not vote for any Republican candidates in the last election cycle.

You pushed the lever for Cynthia McKinney, didn't you!!

455 Nimed  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 9:21:40am

PORTUGAL AND BRAZIL ADVANCE TO STAGE 2!

Man, my 3 favorite teams (USA Portugal and Brazil) are doing well. Best World Cup evah for Luso-Americans!

456 Ayeless in Ghazi  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 9:22:07am

Mystery surrounds 'horse-boy' on Google Street View:

Mystery surrounds a man wearing a horse's head who has been captured on Google's Street View in Aberdeen.

The man - who has become known as "horse-boy" - can be seen in the Hardgate area of the city.

The sighting has become a popular attraction on Google's service, which offers a photographic map of streets.

The man is wearing dark trousers, a purple shirt - and a brown and white horse's head.

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

Aberdeen is of course no stranger to unusual man-animal interactions.

457 laZardo  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 9:22:48am

re: #455 Nimed

PORTUGAL AND BRAZIL ADVANCE TO STAGE 2!

Man, my 3 favorite teams (USA Portugal and Brazil) are doing well. Best World Cup evah for Luso-Americans!

England vs Germany on Sunday.

Coincidentially, so is Top Gear's new season premiere.

/because everyone is wingnuts for Jeremy Clarkson.

458 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 9:23:05am

re: #455 Nimed

PORTUGAL AND BRAZIL ADVANCE TO STAGE 2!

Man, my 3 favorite teams (USA Portugal and Brazil) are doing well. Best World Cup evah for Luso-Americans!

Is Nauru still in it !?!?!

//[Link: geography.about.com...]

459 Targetpractice  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 9:23:05am

re: #452 sattv4u2

Yup,, because wars are something one "WANTS" to run
Tax cuts that produce higher revenues each time it's been tried (see Kennedy, John,,, Reagan,,, Ronald ,,,)
Medicare Part D that was pushed by both sides
NCLB that was authored by Kennedy, Ted

thanks for playing

"But our deficit-spending was good spending, Mommy!"

460 bratwurst  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 9:23:35am

re: #455 Nimed

PORTUGAL AND BRAZIL ADVANCE TO STAGE 2!

Man, my 3 favorite teams (USA Portugal and Brazil) are doing well. Best World Cup evah for Luso-Americans!

Quite a weekend lies ahead. Who do you fancy in England/Germany and Mexico/Argentina?

By the way, you mentioned last weekend that the US had never advanced to this stage before. I just wanted to make sure you got my correction. We reached the round of 16 in 1994 and the quarterfinals in 2002.

461 Four More Tears  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 9:23:39am

re: #452 sattv4u2


Tax cuts that produce higher revenues each time it's been tried (see Kennedy, John,,, Reagan,,, Ronald ,,,)

Will you drop this fucking myth? Please? For fuck's sake...
Have tax cuts always resulted in higher tax revenues and more economic growth as many tax cut proponents claim?
A:
No. In fact, economists say tax cuts do not spark enough growth to pay for themselves.

462 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 9:24:17am

re: #456 Jimmah

The man is wearing dark trousers, a purple shirt - and a brown and white horse's head.

moron ,,, everyone knows one wears a pink Polo shirt when attired with a horses head!

463 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 9:24:35am

re: #456 Jimmah

Mystery surrounds 'horse-boy' on Google Street View:


[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

Aberdeen is of course no stranger to unusual man-animal interactions.

Probably Sarah Jessica Parker's brother.

464 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 9:24:58am

re: #446 Fozzie Bear

Thanks to GOP opposition supported by republicans such as yourself, yes.

I'm going to assume that you are blowing smoke out your ass if you can't back up this statement with some facts. Show me where I have supported the GOP opposition to this financial reform bill?

466 KingKenrod  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 9:26:04am

re: #429 JasonA

Uh huh. And every week, from now until the Republicans take back the Senate, there will be weekly performances of "The Filibuster" on Capitol Hill...

The unemployment bill which did not get cloture yesterday is an example of how both parties are responsible for legislation failure.

The legislation included a poison pill (a tax hike on small business) that moderate GOP senators couldn't vote for. Harry Reid promised the tax hike would be removed from the final legislation, but couldn't get his caucus to go along.

[Link: www.businessweek.com...]

467 laZardo  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 9:26:05am

re: #456 Jimmah

Aberdeen is of course no stranger to unusual man-animal interactions.

I'm normally a pro-science guy, but something about creating human organs for transplant in animals reeks of a slippery slope.

Oh, and that's not a dog in the picture.

468 Four More Tears  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 9:26:08am

re: #465 sattv4u2

lol@heritage.org

469 lawhawk  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 9:26:22am

re: #461 JasonA

Umm, even that fact check is chock full of caveats and finds that cutting corp taxes actually results in increased revenues - with the effects greatest in places like Ireland (which have become tax havens for businesses compared with mainland Europe or England).

Considering that corporate taxes are essentially passed through to consumers via higher costs for the goods sold, this makes some sense. They are able to have higher profits and/or higher revenues as a result of lowering costs.

470 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 9:27:04am

re: #449 JasonA

Those Democrats were so reckless with their spending...

The GOP was extremely reckless with their spending over the eight years that we had a Republican president... the Democrats are continuing a time honored tradition.

471 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 9:27:36am

re: #464 Walter L. Newton

I'm going to assume that you are blowing smoke out your ass if you can't back up this statement with some facts. Show me where I have supported the GOP opposition to this financial reform bill?

No, it was more of a jab at your obvious partisan views.

I own my partisan leanings. Own yours.

472 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 9:28:04am

re: #468 JasonA

lol@heritage.org

[Link: www.cato.org...]
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
[Link: www.discoverthenetworks.org...]

473 laZardo  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 9:28:06am

re: #467 laZardo

human transplant organs in animals, that is.

PIMF

474 researchok  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 9:28:23am

re: #456 Jimmah

Mystery surrounds 'horse-boy' on Google Street View:

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

Aberdeen is of course no stranger to unusual man-animal interactions.

Looks like my great aunt.

475 KingKenrod  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 9:28:39am

re: #461 JasonA

Will you drop this fucking myth? Please? For fuck's sake...
Have tax cuts always resulted in higher tax revenues and more economic growth as many tax cut proponents claim?
A:
No. In fact, economists say tax cuts do not spark enough growth to pay for themselves.

That article says the tax cuts spurred economic growth.

If the choice is between economic growth and govt revenues, I'll take economic growth.

476 Four More Tears  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 9:29:31am

re: #469 lawhawk

Oh. I didn't know we were talking about corporate taxes. By all means, let's reduce the amount we take from them immediately.

Oh, wait...
GE, Exxon Paid No U.S. Income Taxes in '09

477 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 9:29:38am

re: #474 researchok

Looks like my great aunt.

Researchoks great aunt walks into a bar
Bartender says "Why the long face?"

478 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 9:30:23am

re: #467 laZardo

One of my favorite local legends is the Goatman.

[Link: www.unknown-creatures.com...]

479 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 9:30:23am

re: #429 JasonA

Uh huh. And every week, from now until the Republicans take back the Senate, there will be weekly performances of "The Filibuster" on Capitol Hill...

If the Republicans take back the Senate, there will be weekly performances of "The Filibuster" on Capitol Hill...

480 Nimed  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 9:30:28am

re: #460 bratwurst

Quite a weekend lies ahead. Who do you fancy in England/Germany and Mexico/Argentina?

By the way, you mentioned last weekend that the US had never advanced to this stage before. I just wanted to make sure you got my correction. We reached the round of 16 in 1994 and the quarterfinals in 2002.

Yeah, I got a little excited. Then saw your corrections and decided to stay silent. Did you have to rub it in? :)

The favorites in those games are Germany and Argentina. I'm kinda undecided in those 2 matches, so I'm gonna go with "may be the best team win". Who are you rooting for?

481 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 9:31:03am

re: #404 Walter L. Newton

I think the financial institutions needed a good crackdown...

Sure. Once we properly understood what the hell went wrong. Rushing to say you "fixed something" is as partisan a move as "no to everything".

If you went to a doctor and he said he wasn't quite sure why your arm hurt but that he was going to replace three ligaments and two veins just to "do something", you'd shove a tongue depressor down his throat and call 911.

482 Donna Ballard  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 9:31:08am

Good Morning Everyone and Happy Friday to you all! I trust everyone out there in Lizard Land feels much better than I do this morning?

483 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 9:31:09am

re: #471 Fozzie Bear

No, it was more of a jab at your obvious partisan views.

I own my partisan leanings. Own yours.

Non answer... but I understand.

484 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 9:31:22am

re: #459 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

"But our deficit-spending was good spending, Mommy!"

may not have been GOOD, but it sure as hell was LESS!

485 Targetpractice  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 9:32:28am

re: #484 sattv4u2

may not have been GOOD, but it sure as hell was LESS!

You're right, it usually takes less to start a horrific trainwreck than it does to stop it or clean up afterwards.

486 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 9:33:16am

re: #481 Aceofwhat?

Sure. Once we properly understood what the hell went wrong. Rushing to say you "fixed something" is as partisan a move as "no to everything".

If you went to a doctor and he said he wasn't quite sure why your arm hurt but that he was going to replace three ligaments and two veins just to "do something", you'd shove a tongue depressor down his throat and call 911.

Well... don't worry... Congress isn't rushing... they are not even sure if they fixed anything... as Dodd stated "No one will know until this is actually in place how it works. But we believe we've done something that has been needed for a long time. It took a crisis to bring us to the point where we could actually get this job done."

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

Politicians say the wackiest things.

487 Targetpractice  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 9:33:28am

re: #465 sattv4u2

or

[Link: www.heritage.org...]

Heritage brings up the 20s, Kennedy, and Reagan. You notice that, in all three instances, we weren't involved in war operations?

488 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 9:33:43am

re: #422 Fozzie Bear

As initially proposed, the financial reform bill was strong.

i beg to differ

489 wrenchwench  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 9:34:27am
490 bratwurst  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 9:34:56am

re: #480 Nimed

Yeah, I got a little excited. Then saw your corrections and decided to stay silent. Did you have to rub it in? :)

The favorites in those games are Germany and Argentina. I'm kinda undecided in those 2 matches, so I'm gonna go with "may be the best team win". Who are you rooting for?

Germany over England for sure! I spent 5+ years in Germany, and Capello's boys deserve to be punished for playing mind-numbingly boring football. I have a very hard time rooting for Mexico, but it would be quite an achievement for our region if both the US and Mexico are in the quarterfinals for the second time in 3 World Cups.

491 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 9:35:00am

re: #486 Walter L. Newton

Well... don't worry... Congress isn't rushing... they are not even sure if they fixed anything... as Dodd stated "No one will know until this is actually in place how it works. But we believe we've done something that has been needed for a long time. It took a crisis to bring us to the point where we could actually get this job done."

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

Politicians say the wackiest things.

Shit... that was awful "partisan" of me to point out that statement by Dodd.

492 albusteve  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 9:35:03am

Yahoo installed their own toolbar somehow...and in the process I lost my Firefox toolbar with my bookmarks etc...I reinstalled Firefox but I still have no toolbar...both were there a while ago, but Firefox's vanished...Yahoo says to click the pencil icon on their bar and proceed with uninstall, but there is no pencil icon and no trace of Yahoo in my control panel programs...wtf?...how do I get my Firefox toolbar back?

493 Donna Ballard  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 9:35:29am

re: #489 wrenchwench

Time for breakfast.

Adorable! I love LOL Cats.

494 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 9:35:54am

re: #492 albusteve

Yahoo installed their own toolbar somehow...and in the process I lost my Firefox toolbar with my bookmarks etc...I reinstalled Firefox but I still have no toolbar...both were there a while ago, but Firefox's vanished...Yahoo says to click the pencil icon on their bar and proceed with uninstall, but there is no pencil icon and no trace of Yahoo in my control panel programs...wtf?...how do I get my Firefox toolbar back?

Send me 10 Maple Leaf gold coins and I'll tell you.

495 Nimed  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 9:36:00am

Right now, I'm praying that Portugal doesn't play against Spain. Spain has sort of sucked so far, but make no mistake, they are a fucking sleeping giant. They have a group of extremely talented players that can decide a game with their individual skill.

496 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 9:36:28am

re: #486 Walter L. Newton

Dodd's an asshole.

Why he was put out front on this is beyond me.

497 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 9:37:41am

re: #485 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

You're right, it usually takes less to start a horrific trainwreck than it does to stop it or clean up afterwards.

CHANGE
HOPE!

498 Nimed  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 9:38:07am

re: #490 bratwurst

Germany over England for sure! I spent 5+ years in Germany, and Capello's boys deserve to be punished for playing mind-numbingly boring football. I have a very hard time rooting for Mexico, but it would be quite an achievement for our region if both the US and Mexico are in the quarterfinals for the second time in 3 World Cups.

Oh right, bratwurst. I should have guessed.

499 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 9:38:53am

re: #496 Fozzie Bear

Dodd's an asshole.

Why he was put out front on this is beyond me.

See... don't be so hard on yourself... that doesn't seem like a partisan statement on your part. And we agreed on something. :)

500 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 9:39:01am

re: #487 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Heritage brings up the 20s, Kennedy, and Reagan. You notice that, in all three instances, we weren't involved in war operations?

In the case of Kennedy and Reagan we WERE involved in huge military build-ups

501 Targetpractice  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 9:39:01am

re: #497 sattv4u2

CHANGE
HOPE!

Filibuster!
Whine!

502 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 9:39:02am

re: #487 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Heritage brings up the 20s, Kennedy, and Reagan. You notice that, in all three instances, we weren't involved in war operations?

But war isn't free?

You would think it was, by the way we cut taxes during it.

503 ReamWorks SKG  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 9:39:18am

re: #430 researchok

It is possible (and I'm being serious) that some of these people just went to a nearby Casino for a bargain buffet, etc?

When you give cash to people, it's hard to attach strings (which is why many efforts to do this--whether welfare checks or $8,000 first-time-homebuyer tax credits--are rife with fraud.)

And speaking of the $8,000 first-time-homebuyer tax credit, there's a 50% fraud rate on it ( [Link: www.npr.org...] ) with some egregious cases ( [Link: blogs.forbes.com...] ) yet I don't hear the Governor trying to stop this welfare! In fact, California state refuses to collect income tax on forgiven mortgage debt. I suppose it's more politically popular to go after welfare queens than middle class "victims"...

504 albusteve  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 9:39:33am

re: #494 Walter L. Newton

Send me 10 Maple Leaf gold coins and I'll tell you.

oh thanks....you know I only have the Oak Leafs...thanks for nothing

505 wrenchwench  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 9:39:49am

re: #493 Dragon_Lady

Adorable! I love LOL Cats.

Well then, here. This might make you feel a little better:

506 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 9:40:32am

re: #501 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Filibuster!
Whine!

"we'll have to pass the bill to see whats in it"

507 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 9:40:36am

re: #504 albusteve

oh thanks...you know I only have the Oak Leafs...thanks for nothing

I really don't know Steve... all this computer stuff is like magic to me... booga booga... poof.

508 albusteve  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 9:40:37am

re: #496 Fozzie Bear

Dodd's an asshole.

Why he was put out front on this is beyond me.

he should be in jail, for his participation in the FM/FM scandal that wasn't

509 Nimed  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 9:40:56am

re: #492 albusteve

Yahoo installed their own toolbar somehow...and in the process I lost my Firefox toolbar with my bookmarks etc...I reinstalled Firefox but I still have no toolbar...both were there a while ago, but Firefox's vanished...Yahoo says to click the pencil icon on their bar and proceed with uninstall, but there is no pencil icon and no trace of Yahoo in my control panel programs...wtf?...how do I get my Firefox toolbar back?

View-->Toolbars-->Bookmarks Toolbar.

510 AK-47%  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 9:41:21am

re: #469 lawhawk

Umm, even that fact check is chock full of caveats and finds that cutting corp taxes actually results in increased revenues - with the effects greatest in places like Ireland (which have become tax havens for businesses compared with mainland Europe or England).

Considering that corporate taxes are essentially passed through to consumers via higher costs for the goods sold, this makes some sense. They are able to have higher profits and/or higher revenues as a result of lowering costs.

In the good old days of nationa economy and barriers to international trade and investment, there was a lot more incentive to invest tax cuts into jobs that would benefit the USA.

Nowadays that money is invested wherever it brings the highest rate of return, and if that is India, Indonesia or Taiwan, then that is where it gets invested,.

The USA sees nothing of it other than more cheap consumer goods that people can sell at the Wal-Mart, where they now work for minimum wage without benefits now that they have lost their job because their previous employer closed the factory and relocated abroad.

511 Targetpractice  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 9:41:21am

re: #500 sattv4u2

In the case of Kennedy and Reagan we WERE involved in huge military build-ups

But not active operations, right? Beans, Bullets, and Bandages are cheaper when you're stockpiling rather than producing and transporting them for the front lines.

512 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 9:41:39am

re: #508 albusteve

he should be in jail, for his participation in the FM/FM scandal that wasn't

Yes, he probably should. And he probably would be were the political climate different than it is today.

513 albusteve  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 9:41:39am

re: #507 Walter L. Newton

I really don't know Steve... all this computer stuff is like magic to me... booga booga... poof.

pretty much what happened...I didn't knowing allow this Yahoo thing, it somehow imposed itself on me

514 AK-47%  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 9:42:13am

re: #477 sattv4u2

Researchoks great aunt walks into a bar
Bartender says "Why the long face?"

A termite walks into a pub and asks, "Where's the bar tender?"

515 Donna Ballard  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 9:42:23am

re: #505 wrenchwench

Well then, here. This might make you feel a little better:


[Video]

Thank you W.W. It did make me feel better. Its either your video or the meds I took a little while ago, but I think its your video. :-)

516 Targetpractice  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 9:42:30am

re: #506 sattv4u2

"we'll have to pass the bill to see whats in it"

"If we're able to stop Obama on [health care reform], it will be his Waterloo."

517 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 9:43:01am

re: #511 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

But not active operations, right? Beans, Bullets, and Bandages are cheaper when you're stockpiling rather than producing and transporting them for the front lines.

In both instances they had to substantially increase (nearly) antiquated and depleted stocks. Kenndy was still working with WW 2 remnants while looking down the barrel of a gun. LITERALLY

518 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 9:43:05am

re: #502 Fozzie Bear

But war isn't free?

You would think it was, by the way we cut taxes during it.

Agree. We ought not have. I felt that Clinton eliminated the deficit in part through too-steep cuts in military spending. However, I believe that Bush erred in the opposite direction, by masking the cost of the war through overgenerous spending and some questionable tax cuts.

519 albusteve  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 9:44:42am

re: #509 Nimed

View-->Toolbars-->Bookmarks Toolbar.

there is no 'View'...all there is, is the net addy box then Yahoos search box followed by six icons beneath it...no view, or edit, or tools ect...how can that be....sorry to be a pest

520 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 9:44:43am

re: #516 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

"If we're able to stop Obama on [health care reform], it will be his Waterloo."

I see, so HOPING you can stop something (with no real chance of doing it due to the majorities) is EXACTLY like saying we HAVE to pass leg before we can see it

TRANSPARANCY!

521 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 9:45:02am

re: #514 ralphieboy

A termite walks into a pub and asks, "Where's the bar tender?"

A grasshopper walks into a bar and hops up onto the counter. The bartender says "we have a drink named after you". The grasshopper replies "You have a drink named Carl?"

522 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 9:45:02am

re: #518 Aceofwhat?

Agree. We ought not have. I felt that Clinton eliminated the deficit in part through too-steep cuts in military spending. However, I believe that Bush erred in the opposite direction, by masking the cost of the war through overgenerous spending and some questionable tax cuts.

Sounds like a typical partisan hack!!! Wait...what?//

523 Targetpractice  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 9:45:48am

re: #517 sattv4u2

In both instances they had to substantially increase (nearly) antiquated and depleted stocks. Kenndy was still working with WW 2 remnants while looking down the barrel of a gun. LITERALLY

So, you're contending that upgrading/rebuilding stocks is as expensive as two ongoing military operations?

524 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 9:45:52am

re: #519 albusteve

there is no 'View'...all there is, is the net addy box then Yahoos search box followed by six icons beneath it...no view, or edit, or tools ect...how can that be...sorry to be a pest

Press F10.

Your menus will appear

525 lawhawk  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 9:46:18am

re: #510 ralphieboy

Those are reasonable points. But it also points out that raising taxes will also send individuals and corporations fleeing to lower tax burden jurisdictions - or outsourcing operations to lower cost areas. The burdens to do so have been reduced with globalization.

526 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 9:46:23am

k ,, son wants to go practice driving
bbl

527 Targetpractice  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 9:46:32am

re: #520 sattv4u2

I see, so HOPING you can stop something (with no real chance of doing it due to the majorities) is EXACTLY like saying we HAVE to pass leg before we can see it

TRANSPARANCY!

Oh, I thought we were playing "Dueling Bullshit." My bad.

528 albusteve  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 9:46:35am

re: #524 Fozzie Bear

Press F10.

Your menus will appear

wow...neat trick

529 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 9:46:42am

Dave Weigel Resigns From Washington Post Following Firestorm

Did he really say anything that outrageous? He must have insulted the wrong people.

530 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 9:46:46am

re: #523 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

So, you're contending that upgrading/rebuilding stocks is as expensive as two ongoing military operations?

yeah , thats ZACLLY what I said!
{sigh}

531 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 9:47:06am

re: #521 Mad Al-Jaffee

A grasshopper walks into a bar and hops up onto the counter. The bartender says "we have a drink named after you". The grasshopper replies "You have a drink named Carl?"

A guy walks into a bar and says: "Quick, give me three shots of whiskey!! He slams them down and says: "Quick, give me three shots of tequila!!!" The bartender says "What's your hurry man?" Guy shouts "I don't have any money!!!" as he runs from the bar.

H/T FBV

532 darthstar  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 9:47:08am

re: #526 sattv4u2

k ,, son wants to go practice driving
bbl

if you're lucky...

533 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 9:47:09am

re: #527 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Oh, I thought we were playing "Dueling Bullshit." My bad.

one of us was slinging BS, the other, not so much

534 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 9:47:27am

re: #518 Aceofwhat?

Agree. We ought not have. I felt that Clinton eliminated the deficit in part through too-steep cuts in military spending. However, I believe that Bush erred in the opposite direction, by masking the cost of the war through overgenerous spending and some questionable tax cuts.

Well, we are still at war. And the tax cuts, particularly for those making a fuckton of money, persist. And it pisses me off to hear people who support those cuts complain about the deficit.

(Not directed at you)

535 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 9:47:39am

re: #532 darthstar

if you're lucky...

(((shhhh,,, he's actually already a better driver than Mrs SATTY!!)

536 Donna Ballard  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 9:48:24am

re: #526 sattv4u2

k ,, son wants to go practice driving
bbl

Be careful! Kid/Car scary thought!

537 researchok  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 9:48:26am

re: #503 reuven

It is possible (and I'm being serious) that some of these people just went to a nearby Casino for a bargain buffet, etc?

When you give cash to people, it's hard to attach strings (which is why many efforts to do this--whether welfare checks or $8,000 first-time-homebuyer tax credits--are rife with fraud.)

And speaking of the $8,000 first-time-homebuyer tax credit, there's a 50% fraud rate on it ( [Link: www.npr.org...] ) with some egregious cases ( [Link: blogs.forbes.com...] ) yet I don't hear the Governor trying to stop this welfare! In fact, California state refuses to collect income tax on forgiven mortgage debt. I suppose it's more politically popular to go after welfare queens than middle class "victims"...

Good links.

As to the buffet idea, it seems to me that driving from CA to NV for a buffet only is well....not likely.

It isn't as if there are no buffets in CA

538 albusteve  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 9:48:32am

and thanks too...now if I can get it to stay up...the toolbar vanishes when I left click my mouse, but I'm on it

539 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 9:48:45am

re: #529 Killgore Trout

Dave Weigel Resigns From Washington Post Following Firestorm

Did he really say anything that outrageous? He must have insulted the wrong people.

What he apparently said was:

"this would be a vastly better world to live in if Matt Drudge decided to handle his emotional problems more responsibly, and set himself on fire."

hahahahahahhaha

540 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 9:48:48am

re: #529 Killgore Trout

Dave Weigel Resigns From Washington Post Following Firestorm

Did he really say anything that outrageous? He must have insulted the wrong people.

Hmmmm... if he said this here on LGF...

"Weigel, who covered the conservative beat for the Washington Post, said in an e-mail to the liberal JournoList group that "this would be a vastly better world to live in if Matt Drudge decided to handle his emotional problems more responsibly, and set himself on fire.""

I suspect he would been banned.

541 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 9:48:49am

Breaking: WaPo's David Weigel Resigns After More Conservative-bashing Emails Disclosed

“Honestly, it’s been tough to find fresh angles sometimes–how many times can I report that these [tea party] activists are joyfully signing up with the agenda of discredited right-winger X and discredited right-wing group Y?” Weigel lamented in one February email.

In other posts, Weigel describes conservatives as using the media to “violently, angrily divide America.” According to Weigel, their motives include “racism” and protecting “white privilege,” and for some of the top conservatives in D.C., a nihilistic thirst for power.

“There’s also the fact that neither the pundits, nor possibly the Republicans, will be punished for their crazy outbursts of racism. Newt Gingrich is an amoral blowhard who resigned in disgrace, and Pat Buchanan is an anti-Semite who was drummed out of the movement by William F. Buckley. Both are now polluting my inbox and TV with their bellowing and minority-bashing. They’re never going to go away or be deprived of their soapboxes,” Weigel wrote.

Of Matt Drudge, Weigel remarked, “It’s really a disgrace that an amoral shut-in like Drudge maintains the influence he does on the news cycle while gay-baiting, lying, and flubbing facts to this degree.”…

Republicans? “Ratf--king [Obama] on every bill.” Palin? Tried to “ratf--k” a moderate Republican in a contentious primary in New York. Limbaugh? Used “ratf--king tactics” in urging Republican activists to vote for Hillary Clinton in open primaries after Obama had all but beat her for the Democratic nomination.

542 darthstar  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 9:49:10am

re: #529 Killgore Trout

Dave Weigel Resigns From Washington Post Following Firestorm

Did he really say anything that outrageous? He must have insulted the wrong people.

He insulted Matt Drudge. One of the most insecure people on the planet.

543 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 9:49:19am

re: #536 Dragon_Lady

Be careful! Kid/Car scary thought!

thanks,,, but see 535

When she's behind the wheel, I have a white knuckle death grip on the door handle

544 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 9:49:46am

re: #526 sattv4u2

k ,, son wants to go practice driving
bbl

Is that what the kids are calling it these days?

545 Donna Ballard  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 9:50:39am

re: #543 sattv4u2

thanks,,, but see 535

When she's behind the wheel, I have a white knuckle death grip on the door handle

Saw 535 just as I posted my 536. Timing, must work on my timing!

546 Targetpractice  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 9:51:10am

re: #543 sattv4u2

thanks,,, but see 535

When she's behind the wheel, I have a white knuckle death grip on the door handle

Reminds me of my mother's driving.

"Mom, the light's red! Mom? MOM!!"

547 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 9:51:33am

re: #542 darthstar

He insulted Matt Drudge. One of the most insecure people on the planet.

I also have a sneaking suspicion that the emails might have been leaked by Brietbart (or one of his operatives). Maybe not, if Brietbart had the emails he would have run an exclusive story on it.

548 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 9:51:52am

re: #545 Dragon_Lady

Saw 535 just as I posted my 536. Timing, must work on my timing!

re: #545 Dragon_Lady

Saw 535 just as I posted my 536. Timing, must work on my timing!

We used to use the rhythm method

didn't work ,, had the kid anyway!

549 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 9:51:59am

re: #546 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Reminds me of my mother's driving.

"Mom, the light's red! Mom? MOM!!"

Just don't drive like FBV's brother.

550 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 9:52:16am

re: #538 albusteve

and thanks too...now if I can get it to stay up...the toolbar vanishes when I left click my mouse, but I'm on it

F10.

View > Toolbars > Menu Bar

(if you are using firefox)

551 Daniel Ballard  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 9:52:19am

re: #534 Fozzie Bear

If the tax cuts were gone say since Obama took office-and put straight at the deficit, how much of a difference would that be?

552 laZardo  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 9:52:57am

re: #541 Killgore Trout

Not very creative in his use of prefixes to profanity. q:

553 Nimed  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 9:53:28am

re: #529 Killgore Trout

Dave Weigel Resigns From Washington Post Following Firestorm

Did he really say anything that outrageous? He must have insulted the wrong people.

re: #542 darthstar

He insulted Matt Drudge. One of the most insecure people on the planet.

Wow. The apologies weren't enough? Weigel said:

This would be a vastly better world to live in if Matt Drudge decided to handle his emotional problems more responsibly, and set himself on fire.

and he used the expression "Paultards". But all this was on a private mailing list, and he apologized.

[Link: voices.washingtonpost.com...]

554 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 9:53:38am

re: #551 Rightwingconspirator

If the tax cuts were gone say since Obama took office-and put straight at the deficit, how much of a difference would that be?

None if you spend like mad.

555 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 9:53:53am

re: #546 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Reminds me of my mother's driving.

"Mom, the light's red! Mom? MOM!!"

Friend of mine is a cop back in my hometown. Once when I went to visit he was stationed at the major intersection. As we were talking a lady pulled up to the red light
The light turned green, yellow and red again. She never moved. My buddy walked up to the car and said
"Lady, those are the only colors we have!"

556 Donna Ballard  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 9:54:49am

re: #546 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Reminds me of my mother's driving.

"Mom, the light's red! Mom? MOM!!"

I got a rid home from a friend on the day the Rodney King Riots were happening, said friend is a former race car driver. I swear he ran every red light and stop light we came too! OMG I thought his driving would kill me and I begged him to let me outta the car, I would have happily taken my chances with the riots rather than risk getting plowed by another car! Never, never again am I getting in a car with him! *shutter*

557 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 9:54:59am

re: #547 Killgore Trout

I also have a sneaking suspicion that the emails might have been leaked by Brietbart (or one of his operatives). Maybe not, if Brietbart had the emails he would have run an exclusive story on it.

so in the same sentence you accuse AND absolve him of doing it!! cool!!

558 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 9:55:22am

re: #553 Nimed

Wow. The apologies weren't enough? Weigel said:

This would be a vastly better world to live in if Matt Drudge decided to handle his emotional problems more responsibly, and set himself on fire.

and he used the expression "Paultards". But all this was on a private mailing list, and he apologized.

[Link: voices.washingtonpost.com...]

It is the season... spin, spin, spin...

559 Daniel Ballard  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 9:55:51am

re: #556 Dragon_Lady
You have been practicing with the camera too much. :)
*SHUDDER* I think you meant.

560 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 9:56:17am

BBL

561 darthstar  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 9:56:32am

OMFGHZQ! Lady Gaga has more fans on facebook than President Obama. 9.1 million for him, 9.12 million for her. Who will get to 10 million first!
SOSHILLIZM!

562 Donna Ballard  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 9:56:47am

re: #559 Rightwingconspirator

You have been practicing with the camera too much. :)
*SHUDDER* I think you meant.

Yeah, but shutter works too, don't it? :P

563 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 9:57:14am

I happen to agree with Weigel in his assessment of Drudge. If this really was in a private email, it's nobody's business, frankly.

Drudge is an asshole, and Weigel wasn't saying he was going to set Drudge on fire or something. But I have no love for Weigel. Still, I don't get how this is news. It's like high school gossip.

"OMG DID YOU HEAR WHAT DAVE SAID?!?!?!"

564 Targetpractice  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 9:57:20am

re: #561 darthstar

OMFGHZQ! Lady Gaga has more fans on facebook than President Obama. 9.1 million for him, 9.12 million for her. Who will get to 10 million first!
SOSHILLIZM!

I read things like this, then cry a little inside for our republic.

565 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 9:57:44am

re: #562 Dragon_Lady

If you guys are in the same room, I'm gonna be pissed.
/

566 laZardo  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 9:58:10am

re: #564 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I read things like this, then cry a little inside for our republic.

Or for humanity in general, in my case.

Then I go get a drink.

/or I would, if I wasn't medicated.

567 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 9:58:13am

re: #510 ralphieboy

The USA sees nothing of it other than more cheap consumer goods that people can sell at the Wal-Mart, where they now work for minimum wage without benefits now that they have lost their job because their previous employer closed the factory and relocated abroad.

Missing the point. That factory was going to close anyway, because if the same thing can be made for significantly less elsewhere, it will be.

So the only question left is, do you want the company to fold entirely and lose ALL of those jobs, or just the jobs that, at our current level of technology, probably don't deserve to be much higher than minimum wage anyway?

568 Donna Ballard  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 9:58:41am

re: #565 Cannadian Club Akbar

If you guys are in the same room, I'm gonna be pissed.
/

Nope, hes at work, I'm home tryng to pretend I'm not sick.

569 albusteve  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 9:59:06am

re: #550 Fozzie Bear

F10.

View > Toolbars > Menu Bar

(if you are using firefox)

it's fixed, thanks to you...I appreciate the help

570 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 9:59:08am

re: #566 laZardo

Or for humanity in general, in my case.

Then I go get a drink.

/or I would, if I wasn't medicated.

Drinks are medication.
/so young man, needs to learn.

571 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 9:59:11am

re: #563 Fozzie Bear

I happen to agree with Weigel in his assessment of Drudge. If this really was in a private email, it's nobody's business, frankly.

Drudge is an asshole, and Weigel wasn't saying he was going to set Drudge on fire or something. But I have no love for Weigel. Still, I don't get how this is news. It's like high school gossip.

"OMG DID YOU HEAR WHAT DAVE SAID?!?!?!"

He went a little over the top but I personally don't find his opinions to be that outrageous.

572 blueraven  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 9:59:25am

re: #517 sattv4u2

In both instances they had to substantially increase (nearly) antiquated and depleted stocks. Kenndy was still working with WW 2 remnants while looking down the barrel of a gun. LITERALLY

When Kennedy reduced taxes the tax rate was very high. I don't know the exact rate but top was well over 50%. Certainly there is a time and place for reducing taxes.

In the midst of two wars when the tax rate wasn't overly burdensome, is not one of them.

573 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 9:59:28am
574 Targetpractice  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 9:59:48am

re: #563 Fozzie Bear

I happen to agree with Weigel in his assessment of Drudge. If this really was in a private email, it's nobody's business, frankly.

Drudge is an asshole, and Weigel wasn't saying he was going to set Drudge on fire or something. But I have no love for Weigel. Still, I don't get how this is news. It's like high school gossip.

"OMG DID YOU HEAR WHAT DAVE SAID?!?!?!"

Haven't you heard? Nothing's private anymore. If you send an email with something that can be used against you, you can bet it will get out.

575 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 9:59:50am

re: #573 Aceofwhat?

classy stuff

All in a days work.

576 darthstar  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 9:59:55am

re: #564 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I read things like this, then cry a little inside for our republic.

Sadly, I learned this from a three minute story on CNN just now.

577 ReamWorks SKG  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:00:05am

re: #537 researchok

Yeah...I'm relatively certain these folks went there to piss away their money. Fact is, a percentage people on welfare have "money problems" just like an alcoholic has "alcohol problems" and will abuse anything you give them. However, you can't be sure, and AFAIK, violated no agreement or law.

On the other hand that there's so much shenanigans going on wrt mortgage fraud and improper accounting for income from forgiven debt, etc yet it's too politically unpopular to touch. Our state can collect tens of millions of dollars if they just audited everyone with a 2nd mortage or HELOC who has either defaulted, or deducted the interest on their state return. All by just enforcing existing laws. But our legislature just won't be tough on people who can be propped up to look like victims who "lost" "their" "homes" in the newspapers....better to go after those Welfare Queens having a night out at an Indian casino.

578 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:00:15am

re: #567 Aceofwhat?

Missing the point. That factory was going to close anyway, because if the same thing can be made for significantly less elsewhere, it will be.

So the only question left is, do you want the company to fold entirely and lose ALL of those jobs, or just the jobs that, at our current level of technology, probably don't deserve to be much higher than minimum wage anyway?

Speaking of these things as inevitable is silly, I think.

We do have the ability to tariff, restrict imports, etc. And a couple million minimum wage jobs would be might helpful right about now.

579 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:00:53am

re: #577 reuven

Yeah...I'm relatively certain these folks went there to piss away their money. Fact is, a percentage people on welfare have "money problems" just like an alcoholic has "alcohol problems" and will abuse anything you give them. However, you can't be sure, and AFAIK, violated no agreement or law.

On the other hand that there's so much shenanigans going on wrt mortgage fraud and improper accounting for income from forgiven debt, etc yet it's too politically unpopular to touch. Our state can collect tens of millions of dollars if they just audited everyone with a 2nd mortage or HELOC who has either defaulted, or deducted the interest on their state return. All by just enforcing existing laws. But our legislature just won't be tough on people who can be propped up to look like victims who "lost" "their" "homes" in the newspapers...better to go after those Welfare Queens having a night out at an Indian casino.

What is that percentage?

580 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:02:06am

My step brother is a douche.
Back to you regular scheduled program.

581 Donna Ballard  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:02:08am

re: #561 darthstar

OMFGHZQ! Lady Gaga has more fans on facebook than President Obama. 9.1 million for him, 9.12 million for her. Who will get to 10 million first!
SOSHILLIZM!

Thats just soooo wrong!

582 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:02:22am

re: #537 researchok

Good links.

As to the buffet idea, it seems to me that driving from CA to NV for a buffet only is well...not likely.

It isn't as if there are no buffets in CA

And, why are the tax-payers paying for them to eat at a buffet? Yes, I know that's churlish but, so be it.

583 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:02:26am

re: #576 darthstar

Sadly, I learned this from a three minute story on CNN just now.

Hahahahaha that just sort of highlights the point.

What's more absurd, that Lady Gaga is more popular than the leader of the free world on facebook, or that this is a news piece?

Oh man I think i'm going to start buying GOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLDDDDDD.

584 albusteve  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:03:02am

re: #572 blueraven

When Kennedy reduced taxes the tax rate was very high. I don't know the exact rate but top was well over 50%. Certainly there is a time and place for reducing taxes.

In the midst of two wars when the tax rate wasn't overly burdensome, is not one of them.

it's the rate of taxes that bothers me, it's how the money is spent...the feds are Wastezilla...they blow through money with nothing to show for it but bloat...billions are wasted

585 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:03:49am

re: #584 albusteve

it's the rate of taxes that bothers me, it's how the money is spent...the feds are Wastezilla...they blow through money with nothing to show for it but bloat...billions are wasted

See: Social Security.

586 Targetpractice  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:03:53am

re: #576 darthstar

Sadly, I learned this from a three minute story on CNN just now.

In the words of Saint Savage, "Well there's your problem!"

587 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:04:23am

re: #577 reuven

Yeah...I'm relatively certain these folks went there to piss away their money. Fact is, a percentage people on welfare have "money problems" just like an alcoholic has "alcohol problems" and will abuse anything you give them. However, you can't be sure, and AFAIK, violated no agreement or law.

[snip]

You know, that is such a stupid and board brushed bigoted statement I can only hope you said it to illicit a response and are not serious. Of course they have money problems... that's why they are on welfare.

What is the percentages that will abuse the money you give them? Where are your facts and figures to back up your statements, or did you just pull this out of your ass?

588 Donna Ballard  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:04:28am

re: #584 albusteve

it's the rate of taxes that bothers me, it's how the money is spent...the feds are Wastezilla...they blow through money with nothing to show for it but bloat...billions are wasted

But...but... that's their job! Isn't it?///

589 albusteve  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:04:38am

re: #584 albusteve

it's NOT the rate that bothers me

590 researchok  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:05:10am

re: #577 reuven

Yeah...I'm relatively certain these folks went there to piss away their money. Fact is, a percentage people on welfare have "money problems" just like an alcoholic has "alcohol problems" and will abuse anything you give them. However, you can't be sure, and AFAIK, violated no agreement or law.

On the other hand that there's so much shenanigans going on wrt mortgage fraud and improper accounting for income from forgiven debt, etc yet it's too politically unpopular to touch. Our state can collect tens of millions of dollars if they just audited everyone with a 2nd mortage or HELOC who has either defaulted, or deducted the interest on their state return. All by just enforcing existing laws. But our legislature just won't be tough on people who can be propped up to look like victims who "lost" "their" "homes" in the newspapers...better to go after those Welfare Queens having a night out at an Indian casino.

I don't know the numbers, but in fact there is a culture that emerges when entitlements become the order of the day. That's why Clinton's welfare reform really was a big deal- and one that worked to great degree

591 laZardo  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:05:16am

re: #586 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

In the words of Saint Savage, "Well there's your problem!"

I once suggested the mass culling of Lady Gaga and Twilight fans as a way to reduce the effects of global warming. It'd easily snip a half-inch off sea level rise forecasts and at least 1.5 degrees Celsius from temperature increases.

592 Targetpractice  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:05:49am

re: #591 laZardo

I once suggested the mass culling of Lady Gaga and Twilight fans as a way to reduce the effects of global warming. It'd easily snip a half-inch off sea level rise forecasts and at least 1.5 degrees Celsius from temperature increases.

...tell me more.

593 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:06:05am

re: #590 researchok

I don't know the numbers, but in fact there is a culture that emerges when entitlements become the order of the day. That's why Clinton's welfare reform really was a big deal- and one that worked to great degree

It wasn't Clinton's.

594 Nimed  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:06:10am

Is the Drudge Report still that important? I had the impression that Matt Drudge was getting his ass kicked by HuffPo.

595 ReamWorks SKG  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:06:20am

re: #579 Walter L. Newton

I don't know the percentage. I can guarantee it's at least 1 person, if you can trust these news stories ( [Link: www.usatoday.com...] ) about poor people who came into a pile of money and still weren't able to manage.

I wasn't meaning to imply it was the majority of people on public assistance. I was referring to the fact that some fraction CA Welfare recipients apparently went to NV casinos, and the Governor is making a Big Deal over this, which I think is unwarranted.

596 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:07:02am

re: #534 Fozzie Bear

Well, we are still at war. And the tax cuts, particularly for those making a fuckton of money, persist. And it pisses me off to hear people who support those cuts complain about the deficit.

(Not directed at you)

I understand that. But not all tax cuts are created equal. The cap gains cut was excellent. I think that 15% is just about right.

Bush also spent like a liberal. Tax cuts aren't so bad if you can pay for them by (a) proving the necessary elasticity to support them and (b) cutting spending to cover the loss of income if the cut isn't fully elastic. Bush definitely didn't do (b).

597 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:07:05am

re: #591 laZardo

I once suggested the mass culling of Lady Gaga and Twilight fans as a way to reduce the effects of global warming. It'd easily snip a half-inch off sea level rise forecasts and at least 1.5 degrees Celsius from temperature increases.

And/or use them to plug the oil leak.

598 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:07:10am

re: #590 researchok

I don't know the numbers, but in fact there is a culture that emerges when entitlements become the order of the day. That's why Clinton's welfare reform really was a big deal- and one that worked to great degree

You don't know the numbers, Reuven don't state any numbers, but your go on and agree with his assessment? Right.

599 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:09:02am

re: #594 Nimed

Is the Drudge Report still that important? I had the impression that Matt Drudge was getting his ass kicked by HuffPo.

In the absence of real leadership Republicans treat Drudge, Beck and Limbaugh as leaders. Michael Steele at one point insulted Limbaugh and was forced to apologize.

600 laZardo  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:09:11am

re: #592 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

...tell me more.

It's not just the environment. Twilight fans specifically are the reason I'm so cynical about increased funding for education.

601 Nimed  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:09:19am

And speaking of HuffPo, the main titles right now are:

- ROLLING STONE REPORTER: MAJOR U.S. OFFENSIVE 'IN SERIOUS TROUBLE'

- Exclusive Interview: Troops Are GLAD That President Obama Sacked McChrystal..

- The Economist: 'The Real Worry Is That The War Is Being Lost'

602 albusteve  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:09:26am

re: #596 Aceofwhat?

I understand that. But not all tax cuts are created equal. The cap gains cut was excellent. I think that 15% is just about right.

Bush also spent like a liberal. Tax cuts aren't so bad if you can pay for them by (a) proving the necessary elasticity to support them and (b) cutting spending to cover the loss of income if the cut isn't fully elastic. Bush definitely didn't do (b).

and his spending did not come close to approaching the levels now with regard to the GNP...tripling the deficit right now was a very bad move and has nothing to do with GBs spending...there is little to compare

603 ReamWorks SKG  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:09:53am

re: #598 Walter L. Newton

Walter, I understand your point, but I think you sold me short! I was saying that the Governor was being foolish for trying to punish a small percentage of people for potentially "abusing" (but breaking no law) welfare benefits. I believe you and I might be on the same side of this issue.

604 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:10:11am

re: #563 Fozzie Bear

I happen to agree with Weigel in his assessment of Drudge. If this really was in a private email, it's nobody's business, frankly.

Drudge is an asshole, and Weigel wasn't saying he was going to set Drudge on fire or something. But I have no love for Weigel. Still, I don't get how this is news. It's like high school gossip.

"OMG DID YOU HEAR WHAT DAVE SAID?!?!?!"

Because the more responsibility and visibility you have, the more professional you're expected to be. That little equation shouldn't be news to anyone in his position.

605 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:10:15am

re: #595 reuven

I don't know the percentage. I can guarantee it's at least 1 person, if you can trust these news stories ( [Link: www.usatoday.com...] ) about poor people who came into a pile of money and still weren't able to manage.

I wasn't meaning to imply it was the majority of people on public assistance. I was referring to the fact that some fraction CA Welfare recipients apparently went to NV casinos, and the Governor is making a Big Deal over this, which I think is unwarranted.

Stop the fucking tap dancing... you tied TWO thought together... "Yeah...I'm relatively certain these folks went there to piss away their money." AND Fact is, a percentage people on welfare have "money problems" "

And then you turn around and tell me you don't know the percentage... you said "Fact is..." Ok... is it fact, do you know the facts, do you know the percentages, or do you like to broad brush groups of people all the time?

"I wasn't meaning to imply.." well, guess what, ya did. Bullshit.

606 lawhawk  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:10:18am

Wiegel got in trouble for his postings at Journolist, which has been covered by LGF in the past as a hotbed for infantile behavior and postings by journalists before. It truly does act like a high school clique. Just search for Journolist in LGF and you'll see that it's been referred to in more than a few instances for juvenile behavior among our supposed journalistic betters.

607 albusteve  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:10:30am

re: #599 Killgore Trout

In the absence of real leadership Republicans treat Drudge, Beck and Limbaugh as leaders. Michael Steele at one point insulted Limbaugh and was forced to apologize.

forced my ass...Steele is gutless, it's just a job with flexible principles...he sucks

608 Donna Ballard  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:11:05am

Headaches blooming and fevers spiking, time to go lay down me thinks. See ya all later. Keep Laughing everyone!

609 Targetpractice  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:11:09am

re: #600 laZardo

It's not just the environment. Twilight fans specifically are the reason I'm so cynical about increased funding for education.

...*twitch, twitch*

610 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:11:55am

re: #606 lawhawk

Wiegel got in trouble for his postings at Journolist, which has been covered by LGF in the past as a hotbed for infantile behavior and postings by journalists before. It truly does act like a high school clique. Just search for Journolist in LGF and you'll see that it's been referred to in more than a few instances for juvenile behavior among our supposed journalistic betters.

Stop that... things have changed now.

611 laZardo  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:12:17am

re: #609 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

...*twitch, twitch*

The perfect vaccine against Twilight? Wesley Fucking Snipes.

612 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:12:17am

"No one will know until this is actually in place how it works. But we believe we've done something that has been needed for a long time. It took a crisis to bring us to the point where we could actually get this job done."

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

Uh, OK.

613 abolitionist  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:12:21am

re: #519 albusteve

there is no 'View'...all there is, is the net addy box then Yahoos search box followed by six icons beneath it...no view, or edit, or tools ect...how can that be...sorry to be a pest

In Firefox, I managed to make my menu bar go away by unchecking it. (View -> Toolbars - Menu Bar - uncheck) Then I found a way to get it back. Try putting cursor just a mm or so to left of the active part of your address bar or search bar, and right click. In the resulting dropdown menu, click next to the Menu Bar item to enable that item. That brought back my menu bar ( File Edit View History Bookmarks Tools Help ).

re: #524 Fozzie Bear

Press F10.

Your menus will appear

Much simpler. Thanks.

614 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:12:46am

re: #578 Fozzie Bear

Speaking of these things as inevitable is silly, I think.

We do have the ability to tariff, restrict imports, etc. And a couple million minimum wage jobs would be might helpful right about now.

Few items are as uncontroversial amongst economists of different stripes and political leanings as the well-proven fundamental principle that protectionism (i.e. the opposite of free trade) hurts everyone.

I need to warn you, in as friendly and helpful a manner as possible, that what you are advocating here is about as well-accepted as the Austrian school of economics.

615 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:12:47am

re: #563 Fozzie Bear

I happen to agree with Weigel in his assessment of Drudge. If this really was in a private email, it's nobody's business, frankly.

Drudge is an asshole, and Weigel wasn't saying he was going to set Drudge on fire or something. But I have no love for Weigel. Still, I don't get how this is news. It's like high school gossip.

"OMG DID YOU HEAR WHAT DAVE SAID?!?!?!"

Private Email: There's an oxymoron.

616 Targetpractice  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:12:52am

re: #608 Dragon_Lady

Headaches blooming and fevers spiking, time to go lay down me thinks. See ya all later. Keep Laughing everyone!

Get better soon, DL.

617 Nimed  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:12:58am

re: #599 Killgore Trout

In the absence of real leadership Republicans treat Drudge, Beck and Limbaugh as leaders. Michael Steele at one point insulted Limbaugh and was forced to apologize.

:) Right, I remember that series of apologies. Steele and two other GOP officials IIRC. But I had the impression that Drudge was losing steam to both HuffPo and Breitbart, and he and Beck weren't at the same level as King Limbaugh.

618 researchok  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:13:32am

re: #593 Cannadian Club Akbar

It wasn't Clinton's.

How so?

619 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:13:40am

re: #608 Dragon_Lady

Keep Laughing everyone!

You should trademark or copyright that saying.

620 albusteve  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:13:42am

re: #600 laZardo

It's not just the environment. Twilight fans specifically are the reason I'm so cynical about increased funding for education.

all the billions we have thrown at public ed has done little good and in many cases have been harmful...our students are too stupid and we should take a hard honest look at the DofEd money pit..of course that will never happen

621 Targetpractice  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:14:33am

re: #611 laZardo

The perfect vaccine against Twilight? Wesley Fucking Snipes.

Fuck yeah!

622 Four More Tears  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:14:37am

re: #611 laZardo

The perfect vaccine against Twilight? Wesley Fucking Snipes.

This is how it really ends.

623 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:15:10am

re: #618 researchok

How so?

It was a Republican Congress run by Newt. Took 4 times (IIRC) before clinton signed it.

624 ReamWorks SKG  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:15:36am

re: #605 Walter L. Newton

Yes, Walter, but that was after suggesting there are plenty of reasons to spend money in a Casino. I've gone to Indian Casinos for (bargain) meals and shows and did no gambling. That being said, of the fraction of welfare recipients that Schwarzenegger is singling out for spending money in casinos, I'm going to speculate (and you may disagree) that these people weren't making the most efficient use of their money and/or may have gambling problems. And as I said each time, it's a silly stunt for our Governor to try to legislate this behavior away by making folks sign vague "agreements" as a condition of welfare.

I am amused that you and I may reach the same conclusion, but my thought process may be less charitable than yours. So be it.

625 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:15:39am

re: #600 laZardo

It's not just the environment. Twilight fans specifically are the reason I'm so cynical about increased funding for education.

Thars sum big words in dat book...

626 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:15:45am

re: #571 Killgore Trout

He went a little over the top but I personally don't find his opinions to be that outrageous.

I have never used "ratfucking" or any similarly immature term to describe anything or anyone related to my job or company, even in a personal email.

It's not that i fear my personal email will be discovered. I simply don't behave that way.

627 albusteve  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:15:48am

re: #618 researchok

How so?

[Link: www.libertynet.org...]

628 Four More Tears  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:16:44am

re: #623 Cannadian Club Akbar

It was a Republican Congress run by Newt. Took 4 times (IIRC) before clinton signed it.

I love how in this same thread the Democrats are held responsible for NCLB, signed by Bush.

629 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:16:54am

re: #617 Nimed

:) Right, I remember that series of apologies. Steele and two other GOP officials IIRC. But I had the impression that Drudge was losing steam to both HuffPo and Breitbart, and he and Beck weren't at the same level as King Limbaugh.

I'm not sure about the web rankings but Breitbart's sites give off a lot less traffic than you'd think. Recently, Big Journalism linked to the LGF article on the Reuters cropping scandal. I don't think LGF got more than 1,000 referrals. I pretty sure a Drudge link would crash the LGF servers in 10 minutes.

630 researchok  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:17:19am

re: #598 Walter L. Newton

You don't know the numbers, Reuven don't state any numbers, but your go on and agree with his assessment? Right.

What are you talking about?

Welfare reform has been addressed by both parties for a long time.

631 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:17:45am

re: #628 JasonA

Didn't see that. How's mom?

632 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:18:17am

re: #626 Aceofwhat?

I have never used "ratfucking" or any similarly immature term to describe anything or anyone related to my job or company, even in a personal email.

It's not that i fear my personal email will be discovered. I simply don't behave that way.

Ratfucking is a political term.

633 Nimed  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:18:20am

re: #615 rwdflynavy

Private Email: There's an oxymoron.

Especially if said private email is sent to a mailing list that has 30 other members.

634 Four More Tears  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:18:22am

re: #631 Cannadian Club Akbar

Didn't see that. How's mom?

Surgery on the pelvis is today. In fact, I should probably getting out of here.

635 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:18:43am

re: #599 Killgore Trout

In the absence of real leadership Republicans treat Drudge, Beck and Limbaugh as leaders. Michael Steele at one point insulted Limbaugh and was forced to apologize.

Jesus somebody find the GOP a few REAL FUCKING LEADERS, stat!

Where did they go? They used to have some, but wtf happened?

636 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:19:23am

re: #634 JasonA

Surgery on the pelvis is today. In fact, I should probably getting out of here.

Give her a kiss. My mom is 12 hours away.

637 laZardo  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:19:34am

re: #635 Fozzie Bear

Jesus somebody find the GOP a few REAL FUCKING LEADERS, stat!

Where did they go? They used to have some, but wtf happened?

I am actually still registered as a Republican.

I'm sorry.

638 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:19:36am

re: #590 researchok

I don't know the numbers, but in fact there is a culture that emerges when entitlements become the order of the day. That's why Clinton's welfare reform really was a big deal- and one that worked to great degree

damn straight

639 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:20:04am

re: #635 Fozzie Bear

Jesus somebody find the GOP a few REAL FUCKING LEADERS, stat!

Where did they go? They used to have some, but wtf happened?

They're in hiding. The crazy conservative base wouldn't tolerate real practical leadership at this point. It'd be political suicide.

640 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:20:04am

re: #624 reuven

Yes, Walter, but that was after suggesting there are plenty of reasons to spend money in a Casino. I've gone to Indian Casinos for (bargain) meals and shows and did no gambling. That being said, of the fraction of welfare recipients that Schwarzenegger is singling out for spending money in casinos, I'm going to speculate (and you may disagree) that these people weren't making the most efficient use of their money and/or may have gambling problems. And as I said each time, it's a silly stunt for our Governor to try to legislate this behavior away by making folks sign vague "agreements" as a condition of welfare.

I am amused that you and I may reach the same conclusion, but my thought process may be less charitable than yours. So be it.

First of all, those kind of stories are anecdotal to start with, and it's a cheap shot on anyone's part to use that as some sort of foundation for a meme such as welfare people don't make good use of their money.

That's National Inquirer level reportage, and I've seen numerous stories of all kinds of people, people on welfare, people with money, multiple winners blowing wads twice and so on... I would even be suspect of how almost anyone, giving a large enough sum of anything, would go about handling something.

And don't insult me... I'm not charitable... I'm a right winger :)

641 researchok  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:20:34am

re: #635 Fozzie Bear

Jesus somebody find the GOP a few REAL FUCKING LEADERS, stat!

Where did they go? They used to have some, but wtf happened?

There aren't any real leaders anywhere in any party.

642 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:20:46am

re: #632 Killgore Trout

Ratfucking is a political term.

So is teabagging.

643 Nimed  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:20:56am

re: #622 JasonA

This is how it really ends.

I would go see that movie. Well, short film.

644 Targetpractice  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:21:17am

re: #635 Fozzie Bear

Jesus somebody find the GOP a few REAL FUCKING LEADERS, stat!

Where did they go? They used to have some, but wtf happened?

Those not scared of the loonies in their party are scared shitless of poking their heads out and giving the Dems an easy target.

645 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:22:08am

re: #632 Killgore Trout

Ratfucking is a political term.

Yes. A crass, immature political term. And?

646 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:22:31am

re: #604 Aceofwhat?

Because the more responsibility and visibility you have, the more professional you're expected to be. That little equation shouldn't be news to anyone in his position.

True, but if this was a private email, it's, a non-issue.

Somebody owes Weigel an apology for publishing private correspondence, imo. I have found myself fuming at Weigel's breathtaking intellectual dishonesty more than a few times, but this isn't news. This is railroading a man in an attempt to destroy his career.

647 laZardo  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:22:44am

re: #642 Walter L. Newton

So is teabagging.

I thought that was a gaming term.

Though recently we've had to rename that Victory Squats and Freedom Crouches.

648 researchok  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:22:51am

re: #627 albusteve

[Link: www.libertynet.org...]

See this

649 Four More Tears  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:23:13am

re: #643 Nimed

I would go see that movie. Well, short film.

Twipires don't even have fangs. How sad for them...

650 Four More Tears  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:23:37am

re: #647 laZardo

I thought that was a gaming term.

Though recently we've had to rename that Victory Squats and Freedom Crouches.

Do you play Halo?

651 Nimed  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:23:46am

re: #635 Fozzie Bear

Jesus somebody find the GOP a few REAL FUCKING LEADERS, stat!

Where did they go? They used to have some, but wtf happened?

What are you talking about? They have Chris Christie and Bobby Jindal and... Chris Christie.

652 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:24:07am

FWIW -

I commented the other day on McChrystal being an f'up.

Patreaus has now modified the McChrystal Rules Of Engagement which is great news. I am very glad that Obama removed McChrystal and came around to seeing counter insurgency from Patreaus' perspective. The sneaky-pete/ secret war/ leave the grunts exposed and uninformed was a loser strategy from the moment McChrystal assumed command. Yet I am sure the idea of a discrete/shoot to kill/take no prisoners war attracting little public attention (and requiring no interrogations since you simply kill anyone you suspect of anything) conducted exclusively by special ops appealed to Obama as a way to get Afghanistan done without it entering the public consciousness. I am very glad that Obama is capable of adapting and engaging what has proven to work even though he himself has condemned Patreaus' ways in the past. Now if he can get his brain-dead VP to STFU and get Richard Holbrooke to keep his ego on simmer we might actually make progress there.

653 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:24:53am

re: #648 researchok

He didn't pass it, he signed it.

654 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:25:06am

re: #646 Fozzie Bear

True, but if this was a private email, it's, a non-issue.

I'll bite. If it's a non-issue, why would they fire him?

655 albusteve  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:25:10am

re: #638 Aceofwhat?

damn straight

it's misleading to call it Clinton's reform...I think he and most dems opposed it

656 researchok  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:25:27am

re: #651 Nimed

What are you talking about? They have Chris Christie and Bobby Jindal and... Chris Christie.

Chris Christie is still an up and comer (I really like the guy)

Jindal is a nutcase. Nice guy, but a nut case. He claims to have participated in an exorcism.

657 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:25:43am

re: #646 Fozzie Bear

True, but if this was a private email, it's, a non-issue.

Somebody owes Weigel an apology for publishing private correspondence, imo. I have found myself fuming at Weigel's breathtaking intellectual dishonesty more than a few times, but this isn't news. This is railroading a man in an attempt to destroy his career.

Here is what Charles had to say about that "secret" email list and the contents of it...

"These are the captains of media, throwing around insults like a bunch of high school kids, where they think they won’t get caught at it."

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

658 laZardo  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:25:46am

re: #650 JasonA

Do you play Halo?

No, I have a PS3. ;_; Mainly because they don't have XBox Live in my country and because they tend to sell 360s modded as standard which leads to hardware bans.

I have learned the art through other games though. :D Even scored a few ragemails.

659 darthstar  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:25:46am

re: #635 Fozzie Bear

Jesus somebody find the GOP a few REAL FUCKING LEADERS, stat!

Where did they go? They used to have some, but wtf happened?

He died in 2004.

660 Four More Tears  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:26:40am

re: #658 laZardo

No, I have a PS3. ;_; Mainly because they don't have XBox Live in my country and because they tend to sell 360s modded as standard which leads to hardware bans.

I have learned the art through other games though. :D Even scored a few ragemails.

You need to find a better country. :P

/

661 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:26:50am

re: #655 albusteve

it's misleading to call it Clinton's reform...I think he and most dems opposed it

They did. But i'm consistent in allowing the President's signature to convey some responsibility for a bill, be it positive or negative, no matter who is in office.

662 ReamWorks SKG  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:26:56am

re: #640 Walter L. Newton

First of all, those kind of stories are anecdotal to start with, and it's a cheap shot on anyone's part to use that as some sort of foundation for a meme such as welfare people don't make good use of their money.

This I agree with. I keep forgetting that LGF has higher intellectual standards than most discussion forums, and I need to keep on my toes.

663 researchok  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:27:44am

re: #653 Cannadian Club Akbar

He didn't pass it, he signed it.

Fair enough. But he didn't shy away from the problem. He made the issue front and center.

664 albusteve  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:28:05am

re: #652 karmic_inquisitor

FWIW -

I commented the other day on McChrystal being an f'up.

Patreaus has now modified the McChrystal Rules Of Engagement which is great news. I am very glad that Obama removed McChrystal and came around to seeing counter insurgency from Patreaus' perspective. The sneaky-pete/ secret war/ leave the grunts exposed and uninformed was a loser strategy from the moment McChrystal assumed command. Yet I am sure the idea of a discrete/shoot to kill/take no prisoners war attracting little public attention (and requiring no interrogations since you simply kill anyone you suspect of anything) conducted exclusively by special ops appealed to Obama as a way to get Afghanistan done without it entering the public consciousness. I am very glad that Obama is capable of adapting and engaging what has proven to work even though he himself has condemned Patreaus' ways in the past. Now if he can get his brain-dead VP to STFU and get Richard Holbrooke to keep his ego on simmer we might actually make progress there.

exactly...the executive team has never been on the same page, from what I hear...all BOs choices

665 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:28:12am

Dave Weigel just got fired ("resigned") from the Washington Post, after writing a series of emails to a listserv bashing conservatives and rooting for Democrats.

666 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:28:33am

re: #662 reuven

First of all, those kind of stories are anecdotal to start with, and it's a cheap shot on anyone's part to use that as some sort of foundation for a meme such as welfare people don't make good use of their money.

This I agree with. I keep forgetting that LGF has higher intellectual standards than most discussion forums, and I need to keep on my toes.

Please... don't include me in that assessment... I have a reputation to uphold here... or down hold... what ever :)

667 researchok  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:28:39am

re: #661 Aceofwhat?

They did. But i'm consistent in allowing the President's signature to convey some responsibility for a bill, be it positive or negative, no matter who is in office.

Nuanced- and true.

668 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:28:43am

re: #665 Charles

KT is all over it...

669 Kragar  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:28:48am

re: #649 JasonA

Twipires don't even have fangs. How sad for them...

/facepalm

Give me a Wamphyri any day.

670 albusteve  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:29:06am

re: #661 Aceofwhat?

They did. But i'm consistent in allowing the President's signature to convey some responsibility for a bill, be it positive or negative, no matter who is in office.

true enough...just posted for clarity

671 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:29:23am

re: #606 lawhawk

Wiegel got in trouble for his postings at Journolist, which has been covered by LGF in the past as a hotbed for infantile behavior and postings by journalists before. It truly does act like a high school clique. Just search for Journolist in LGF and you'll see that it's been referred to in more than a few instances for juvenile behavior among our supposed journalistic betters.

The real issue, IMO, was that Wiegel was supposedly covering the side that he deplored. The guy was basically dishonest, as is the whole idea of JournoList, IMO.

Nothing wrong with having a point of view - just make it known. Especially when it is the polar opposite of the point of view you are supposedly presenting to readers.

672 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:29:40am

re: #663 researchok

Fair enough. But he didn't shy away from the problem. He made the issue front and center.

GAH!! I got booted!! Agreed.

673 Four More Tears  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:29:48am

re: #669 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

/facepalm

Give me a Wamphyri any day.

Dude... Twilight vampires, when in direct sunlight... sparkle. They fucking sparkle!

674 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:29:49am

re: #666 Walter L. Newton

landing the post of the Beast will help get your rep back where it belongs//

675 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:30:52am

re: #671 karmic_inquisitor

The real issue, IMO, was that Wiegel was supposedly covering the side that he deplored. The guy was basically dishonest, as is the whole idea of JournoList, IMO.

Nothing wrong with having a point of view - just make it known. Especially when it is the polar opposite of the point of view you are supposedly presenting to readers.

Helen Thomas Syndrome.

676 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:31:08am

re: #646 Fozzie Bear

True, but if this was a private email, it's, a non-issue.

Somebody owes Weigel an apology for publishing private correspondence, imo. I have found myself fuming at Weigel's breathtaking intellectual dishonesty more than a few times, but this isn't news. This is railroading a man in an attempt to destroy his career.

I think when you take a job at a media source like the Washington Post, you have a responsibility to keep any partisan political views to yourself.

677 laZardo  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:31:28am

re: #674 Aceofwhat?

landing the post of the Beast will help get your rep back where it belongs//

Which makes Charles the Neighbor of the Beast?

/they jam on Thursdays.

678 researchok  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:31:39am

re: #665 Charles

Dave Weigel just got fired ("resigned") from the Washington Post, after writing a series of emails to a listserv bashing conservatives and rooting for Democrats.

I think it was his half assed apology that did him in. he made it all about him.

All he had to do was say 'I was wrong, I screwed up, etc.' Instead, he essentially reiterated, 'I meant what I said, but I'm sorry because this has become a big deal'.

679 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:31:44am

re: #674 Aceofwhat?

landing the post of the Beast will help get your rep back where it belongs//

Researchok had the next store neighbor number of the beast 667.

680 Kragar  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:32:12am

re: #673 JasonA

Dude... Twilight vampires, when in direct sunlight... sparkle. They fucking sparkle!

I know, from word of mouth. I refuse to watch the movies or read the books.

681 researchok  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:33:09am

That made me laugh!

682 researchok  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:34:29am

re: #679 Walter L. Newton

Researchok had the next store neighbor number of the beast 667.

That was to you, Walter.

683 Nimed  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:34:59am

re: #673 JasonA

Dude... Twilight vampires, when in direct sunlight... sparkle. They fucking sparkle!

Yeah. And the "good vampires" sexually abuse minors. The main love story is a relationship between an High School girl and an 100 year old dude. Creepy...

684 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:35:07am

re: #646 Fozzie Bear

True, but if this was a private email, it's, a non-issue.

Somebody owes Weigel an apology for publishing private correspondence, imo. I have found myself fuming at Weigel's breathtaking intellectual dishonesty more than a few times, but this isn't news. This is railroading a man in an attempt to destroy his career.

I posted some insults about my boss on my *private* blog and I got fired!!!
//

685 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:35:44am

re: #683 Nimed

Yeah. And the "good vampires" sexually abuse minors. The main love story is a relationship between an High School girl and an 100 year old dude. Creepy...

Not if you are the 100 year old dude...

686 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:35:44am

re: #679 Walter L. Newton

Researchok had the next store neighbor number of the beast 667.

location, location, location...

687 laZardo  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:36:20am

re: #680 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I know, from word of mouth. I refuse to watch the movies or read the books.

You are a man among men and I salute you.

688 Nimed  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:36:27am

re: #676 Charles

I think when you take a job at a media source like the Washington Post, you have a responsibility to keep any partisan political views to yourself.

The irony is that he defended Rand Paul not long ago.

689 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:36:41am

re: #665 Charles

Dave Weigel just got fired ("resigned") from the Washington Post, after writing a series of emails to a listserv bashing conservatives and rooting for Democrats.

Wait a second... aside from the comment about Drudge... here are the three other email leaks that were posted (I don't know if we normally give the source any traffic, so I will refrain from linking, you can find them if needed)...

•"Follow-up to one hell of a day: Apparently, the Washington Examiner thought it would be fun to write up an item about my dancing at the wedding of Megan McArdle and Peter Suderman. Said item included the name and job of my girlfriend, who was not even there -- nor in DC at all."

•"I'd politely encourage everyone to think twice about rewarding the Examiner with any traffic or links for a while. I know the temptation is high to follow up hot hot Byron York scoops, but please resist it."

•"It's all very amusing to me. Two hundred screaming Ron Paul fanatics couldn't get their man into the Fox News New Hampshire GOP debate, but Fox News is pumping around the clock to get Paultard Tea Party people on TV."

Is that it... that's the outrage... come on... is there more I haven't seen yet?

690 albusteve  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:37:03am

One of Britain’s largest trade unions passed a motion at its annual conference in Bournemouth last week accusing Israel of lying over the Gaza flotilla incident and has called for a complete boycott of Israel and for the expulsion of the Israeli ambassador, it was confirmed on Thursday.
It said Israel was “brazenly lying” over the flotilla incident, as it “attempted to define it as an attempted lynch mob of its troops by passengers on the boats. “This is a further sign that Israel does not respond to words of condemnation, only action will have any effect,” the motion states.

good god the stupidity...shit like this eventually gets people killed...totally irresponsible


[Link: www.jpost.com...]

691 Kragar  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:37:45am

re: #687 laZardo

You are a man among men and I salute you.

A vampire should be an undead killing machine, spreading death and chaos in its wake, not an emo putz with a skin condition.

692 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:37:51am

re: #685 Cannadian Club Akbar

Not if you are the 100 year old dude...

Yep. The only thing stopping 100-yr old dudes from hitting on teens left and right is the inconvenient fact that they look like 100-yr old dudes.

693 laZardo  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:38:12am

re: #683 Nimed

Yeah. And the "good vampires" sexually abuse minors. The main love story is a relationship between an High School girl and an 100 year old dude. Creepy...

I liked the part where Edward dies.

/extra karma if you get the reference.

694 researchok  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:38:46am

re: #689 Walter L. Newton

Wait a second... aside from the comment about Drudge... here are the three other email leaks that were posted (I don't know if we normally give the source any traffic, so I will refrain from linking, you can find them if needed)...

•"Follow-up to one hell of a day: Apparently, the Washington Examiner thought it would be fun to write up an item about my dancing at the wedding of Megan McArdle and Peter Suderman. Said item included the name and job of my girlfriend, who was not even there -- nor in DC at all."

•"I'd politely encourage everyone to think twice about rewarding the Examiner with any traffic or links for a while. I know the temptation is high to follow up hot hot Byron York scoops, but please resist it."

•"It's all very amusing to me. Two hundred screaming Ron Paul fanatics couldn't get their man into the Fox News New Hampshire GOP debate, but Fox News is pumping around the clock to get Paultard Tea Party people on TV."

Is that it... that's the outrage... come on... is there more I haven't seen yet?

There were other comments, apparently.

He cherry picked those remarks to make himself look more benign.

695 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:39:00am

re: #689 Walter L. Newton

There are raw emails at DailyCaller that are far more offensive. Probelem is that they are Drudged right now and the server gerbils can't keep up. They need to upgrade to lizardoid hamster technology.

696 laZardo  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:40:24am

New thread, headin' to bed. Nighty.

697 simoom  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:40:46am

re: #529 Killgore Trout

This Weigel quote jumped out at me:

It's all very amusing to me. Two hundred screaming Ron Paul fanatics couldn't get their man into the Fox News New Hampshire GOP debate, but Fox News is pumping around the clock to get Paultard Tea Party people on TV.

I've had the same thought a number of times. During the '08 primary Fox did everything in their power to discredit and exclude Ron Paul. One example was that every time he'd win one of their post debate phone-in "polls" they'd spin like crazy as to how the Paul-folks cheated, or any number of excuses to downplay the result. There is some irony in Fox sponsoring, recruiting for and promoting the movement the Paul-folks started (though, of course, they're now in the minority). While Fox now allows Ron Paul on their shows with some frequency, they still try and dismiss any news that is favorable to Paul in his quest for the Presidency (like the CPAC straw poll).

698 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:49:54am

re: #654 Aceofwhat?

I'll bite. If it's a non-issue, why would they fire him?

Because they are pussies who can't say "what our employees say in private correspondence is no business of this institution."

Look, I'd love to see Weigel fired for alot of reasons. But this isn't the way to do it.

699 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:51:24am

re: #657 Walter L. Newton

Here is what Charles had to say about that "secret" email list and the contents of it...

"These are the captains of media, throwing around insults like a bunch of high school kids, where they think they won’t get caught at it."

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Then I suppose it wasn't as "private" as indicated in the articles I saw. I recant my defense of Weigtel. Fuck 'em.

700 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:53:28am

re: #676 Charles

I think when you take a job at a media source like the Washington Post, you have a responsibility to keep any partisan political views to yourself.

Since when? That went out the window years ago.

701 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:54:46am

re: #699 Fozzie Bear

Then I suppose it wasn't as "private" as indicated in the articles I saw. I recant my defense of Weigtel. Fuck 'em.

xactly.

But as to your other post, if you embarrass the institution, it's the business of the institution. Don't like the rules? Go be a janitor.

Some of us are happy to hold ourselves to a higher standard of conduct as part and parcel of greater responsibility. Apologizing for someone who can't do the same strikes me as a strange position to take.


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