The big blogosphere story today is that libertarian (and Rand Paul apologist) Dave Weigel has resigned from the Washington Post after a series of emails were leaked from “Journolist” in which Weigel bashed conservatives using very strong language; here’s the apology Weigel posted yesterday: Right Now - An apology to my readers.
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Kragar Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:40:10am |
You would think a reporter of all people would realize that you never put anything in print.
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albusteve Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:40:12am |
. I was tired, angry, and hyperbolic, and I’m sorry.
c’mon…he was tired
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:40:47am |
(I’ll repeat this here)…
Wait a second… aside from the comment about Drudge… here are the three other email leaks that were posted (I don’t know if we normally give the source any traffic, so I will refrain from linking, you can find them if needed)…
•”Follow-up to one hell of a day: Apparently, the Washington Examiner thought it would be fun to write up an item about my dancing at the wedding of Megan McArdle and Peter Suderman. Said item included the name and job of my girlfriend, who was not even there — nor in DC at all.”
•”I’d politely encourage everyone to think twice about rewarding the Examiner with any traffic or links for a while. I know the temptation is high to follow up hot hot Byron York scoops, but please resist it.”
•”It’s all very amusing to me. Two hundred screaming Ron Paul fanatics couldn’t get their man into the Fox News New Hampshire GOP debate, but Fox News is pumping around the clock to get Paultard Tea Party people on TV.”
Is that it… that’s the outrage… come on… is there more I haven’t seen yet? What am I missing?
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karmic_inquisitor Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:41:17am |
He was playing both sides. Were there no basis for shame (and serious harm to WaPo) he’d not have resigned.
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Kragar Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:41:17am |
re: #2 albusteve
. I was tired, angry, and hyperbolic, and I’m sorry.
c’mon…he was tired
Its not like he was hiking the Appalachians.
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Aceofwhat? Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:42:11am |
Anyone who thinks that a high-profile position, at nearly any organization, isn’t subject to unwritten rules about not embarrassing the bejesus out of said organization is a putz.
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karmic_inquisitor Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:42:35am |
re: #3 Walter L. Newton
Walter - the issue is not his apology. It is with the JouroList emails that were subsequently published. JournoList is a dung-heap. Easy to find dung there.
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researchok Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:42:39am |
re: #3 Walter L. Newton
(I’ll repeat this here)…
Wait a second… aside from the comment about Drudge… here are the three other email leaks that were posted (I don’t know if we normally give the source any traffic, so I will refrain from linking, you can find them if needed)…
•”Follow-up to one hell of a day: Apparently, the Washington Examiner thought it would be fun to write up an item about my dancing at the wedding of Megan McArdle and Peter Suderman. Said item included the name and job of my girlfriend, who was not even there — nor in DC at all.”
•”I’d politely encourage everyone to think twice about rewarding the Examiner with any traffic or links for a while. I know the temptation is high to follow up hot hot Byron York scoops, but please resist it.”
•”It’s all very amusing to me. Two hundred screaming Ron Paul fanatics couldn’t get their man into the Fox News New Hampshire GOP debate, but Fox News is pumping around the clock to get Paultard Tea Party people on TV.”
Is that it… that’s the outrage… come on… is there more I haven’t seen yet? What am I missing?
There were other, more offensive remarks.
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:43:34am |
re: #4 karmic_inquisitor
He was playing both sides. Were there no basis for shame (and serious harm to WaPo) he’d not have resigned.
So? Was his reporting honest. Here we go again… if he’s not partisan, one way or another, his opinion doesn’t count, or there is something wrong… it’s not like he was suggesting Jews go back to Poland.
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rwdflynavy Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:43:58am |
Dammit! Aren’t a man’s *private* emails sacred!!!
//
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albusteve Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:44:16am |
re: #6 Aceofwhat?
Anyone who thinks that a high-profile position, at nearly any organization, isn’t subject to unwritten rules about not embarrassing the bejesus out of said organization is a putz.
people are stupid all the way to the top…propriety and manners are long dead…I could care less what this guy ever had to say…he’s another tired, angry shill
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:44:37am |
re: #9 researchok
There were other, more offensive remarks.
Links… quotes? I’m not suggesting there is nothing wrong, but I haven’t seen anything that OUTRAGEOUS yet… show me.
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Aceofwhat? Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:44:44am |
re: #10 Walter L. Newton
So? Was his reporting honest. Here we go again… if he’s not partisan, one way or another, his opinion doesn’t count, or there is something wrong… it’s not like he was suggesting Jews go back to Poland.
see #6
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Nimed Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:45:01am |
In addition to the “setting Drudge on fire” comment, this Journolist thing really stinks, mainly because of stuff like this:
I’d politely encourage everyone to think twice about rewarding the Examiner with any traffic or links for a while.
I really don’t like the Examiner, but the idea of a bunch of prominent bloggers/journalists/opinion makers banding together to punish a news source is pretty worrying.
Apart from this, I have to agree with Walter that the whole thing is kinda tepid.
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Aceofwhat? Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:46:01am |
re: #12 albusteve
people are stupid all the way to the top…propriety and manners are long dead…I could care less what this guy ever had to say…he’s another tired, angry shill
You’ll find propriety and manners amongst a great majority of the officers and directors at my company. I imagine the same is true at most organizations; you don’t hear about it because…well…what’s to report?
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researchok Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:46:13am |
re: #10 Walter L. Newton
So? Was his reporting honest. Here we go again… if he’s not partisan, one way or another, his opinion doesn’t count, or there is something wrong… it’s not like he was suggesting Jews go back to Poland.
He referred to everyone opposing same sex marriage as a bigot.
Bill Clinton, et al, might rightly take exception.
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SixDegrees Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:46:17am |
re: #6 Aceofwhat?
Anyone who thinks that a high-profile position, at nearly any organization, isn’t subject to unwritten rules about not embarrassing the bejesus out of said organization is a putz.
Actually, there are written rules warning that actions or utterances that besmirch the company’s reputation will be cause for punishment, including dismissal, at many if not most places of employment these days.
In the past, adults were expected to simply know that such behavior was unacceptable. Now, apparently, they need it spelled out for them. Or companies feel compelled to put such apparently obvious restrictions in writing in order to ensure that they won’t be the target of a misguided wrongful discharge suit.
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albusteve Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:46:47am |
if this is journalism I’m Kieth Richards…it’s partisan screech, I could do it
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Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:47:00am |
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Aceofwhat? Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:47:09am |
re: #18 SixDegrees
Actually, there are written rules warning that actions or utterances that besmirch the company’s reputation will be cause for punishment, including dismissal, at many if not most places of employment these days.
In the past, adults were expected to simply know that such behavior was unacceptable. Now, apparently, they need it spelled out for them. Or companies feel compelled to put such apparently obvious restrictions in writing in order to ensure that they won’t be the target of a misguided wrongful discharge suit.
excellent point
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researchok Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:49:08am |
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:50:12am |
re: #6 Aceofwhat?
Anyone who thinks that a high-profile position, at nearly any organization, isn’t subject to unwritten rules about not embarrassing the bejesus out of said organization is a putz.
He’s a reporter and a opinion journalist… he’s editorializing most of the time… as a writer myself, I don’t see how playing both sides, publicly or privately is a problem unless you find that writer to be lying, misreporting, intentionally deceiving.
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elizajane Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:50:54am |
I read that blog every day and am really sorry that it’s been closed down. I am disgusted by the person who leaked those e-mails with the clear intent of ruining his career. I’m sorry, but it’s not like he’s a four-star general in an ongoing war criticizing his Commander-in-Chief. He’s a bloody journalist criticising another journalist. That’s hardly exceptional. Heck, he didn’t even slam Rush, just Matt Drudge.
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darthstar Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:51:27am |
re: #11 rwdflynavy
Dammit! Aren’t a man’s *private* emails sacred!!!
//
On the internet, nothing is private.
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:51:35am |
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Nimed Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:51:46am |
re: #6 Aceofwhat?
Anyone who thinks that a high-profile position, at nearly any organization, isn’t subject to unwritten rules about not embarrassing the bejesus out of said organization is a putz.
Hm… right, but if you express your opinion in a private forum, said opinion is leaked and you’re fired for it, it kinda sucks.
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researchok Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:52:16am |
re: #26 Walter L. Newton
Sorry… I don’t see that as an outrage…
So everyone who supported the Defense of Marriage Act is a bigot?
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albusteve Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:52:23am |
re: #24 elizajane
I read that blog every day and am really sorry that it’s been closed down. I am disgusted by the person who leaked those e-mails with the clear intent of ruining his career. I’m sorry, but it’s not like he’s a four-star general in an ongoing war criticizing his Commander-in-Chief. He’s a bloody journalist criticising another journalist. That’s hardly exceptional. Heck, he didn’t even slam Rush, just Matt Drudge.
MATT SHOULD JUST KILL HIMSELF WITH FIRE!
no big deal eh?
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albusteve Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:53:15am |
re: #25 darthstar
On the internet, nothing is private.
read the bear mauling story up in Alaska today by chance?
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karmic_inquisitor Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:55:18am |
re: #10 Walter L. Newton
So? Was his reporting honest. Here we go again… if he’s not partisan, one way or another, his opinion doesn’t count, or there is something wrong… it’s not like he was suggesting Jews go back to Poland.
Well his reporting was not honest. His Wapo Blog was called “Right Now” and his byline was “inside the conservative movement and the Republican Party.”
When asked at JournoList about that by line his response was :”HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHHAHAHA.”
Is that the mark of ethical journalistic conduct?
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:55:26am |
re: #28 researchok
So everyone who supported the Defense of Marriage Act is a bigot?
No… I don’t see his mistaken use of that word as an outrage… and he apologized… I’ve used that word, wrongly or rightly here, and corrected my self if someone pointed out to me that my usage was faulty… sorry… he’s a fucking reporter, he can have varying opinions, he doesn’t have to be partisan… and he can be wrong… in my opinion this doesn’t undermine his ability to report an issue.
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Charles Johnson Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:56:34am |
Weigel’s resignation has led to an extended round of conservatives on Twitter bashing … me.
No worries. WaPo is already talking to Charles Johnson as Weigel’s replacement.
[…]
To ensure responsible, unbiased coverage from inside the Conservative movement, WaPo will replace Dave Weigel with Charles Johnson
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Aceofwhat? Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:56:48am |
re: #23 Walter L. Newton
He’s a reporter and a opinion journalist… he’s editorializing most of the time… as a writer myself, I don’t see how playing both sides, publicly or privately is a problem unless you find that writer to be lying, misreporting, intentionally deceiving.
If you are in a position of high visibility or responsibility and you put your company in hot water, or in a bad position, you may get yourself fired toute suite.
Why in heaven’s name is this simple, consistent, and time-honored concept so puzzling to some lizards?
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Fozzie Bear Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:57:08am |
I still don’t like this at all. Perhaps they had to fire him, but it doesn’t seem right to me.
Matt Drudge is seriously a fucking scumbag. I know it, we all know it. Apparently you can’t say it out loud. I understand that in his position, Weigel shouldn’t say these things, but c’mon man.
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lawhawk Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:57:14am |
For anyone that wants to know more about where these messages were posted (Journolist), just take a gander through the LGF archives and see what these “respected” journalists think of the rest of us.
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:57:19am |
re: #32 karmic_inquisitor
Well his reporting was not honest. His Wapo Blog was called “Right Now” and his byline was “inside the conservative movement and the Republican Party.”
When asked at JournoList about that by line his response was :”HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHHAHAHA.”
Is that the mark of ethical journalistic conduct?
Link please… that’s what I have been asking down this thread… links… so far… the statements I’ve seen are opinionated but not damaging… links please… show me…
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albusteve Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:57:56am |
re: #34 Charles
Weigel’s resignation has led to an extended round of conservatives on Twitter bashing … me.
bwahaha…you might be flattered?
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Fozzie Bear Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:58:34am |
Apart from the drudge comment, can we please get some meat here? Or was that all it took?
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:58:37am |
re: #36 Fozzie Bear
I still don’t like this at all. Perhaps they had to fire him, but it doesn’t seem right to me.
Matt Drudge is seriously a fucking scumbag. I know it, we all know it. Apparently you can’t say it out loud. I understand that in his position, Weigel shouldn’t say these things, but c’mon man.
So far… except for the Drudge remark… which I find offensive, I’ve not seen anything that is more than opinionated banter.
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Sol Berdinowitz Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:58:39am |
He is apologizing for private remarks he made in private e-mails that were made public by a hacker?
Has the world turned into an extended Big Brother reality show?
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Fozzie Bear Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:58:49am |
re: #41 Walter L. Newton
So far… except for the Drudge remark… which I find offensive, I’ve not seen anything that is more than opinionated banter.
EXACTLY
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simoom Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:58:57am |
I’d always assumed that WaPo hired Weigel to continue at what he’d been doing at the Washington Independent, which was covering/exposing the excesses and eccentricities of the far right. It would be interesting to know if WaPo forced Weigel out because the e-mails displayed his contempt for the folks he was reporting on (which I think was always a subtext to most of his reporting anyway), or if they were objecting to the language he used.
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:59:00am |
re: #40 Fozzie Bear
Apart from the drudge comment, can we please get some meat here? Or was that all it took?
That’s what I’m asking for too!
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albusteve Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:59:12am |
re: #42 ralphieboy
He is apologizing for private remarks he made in private e-mails that were made public by a hacker?
Has the world turned into an extended Big Brother reality show?
yes
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karmic_inquisitor Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:59:48am |
re: #23 Walter L. Newton
He’s a reporter and a opinion journalist… he’s editorializing most of the time… as a writer myself, I don’t see how playing both sides, publicly or privately is a problem unless you find that writer to be lying, misreporting, intentionally deceiving.
Well then let’s take this from the LGF perspective - would it have been good and proper for Charles to have simply indulged the wingnut morons that used to dominate these comments rather than challenge them once he had the capacity to? Frankly, I admire Charles for doing that and being clean about things (like back in the Schaivo days) rather than cynically stoking the flames for more web hits and ad revenue.
Wiegel was posing as a conservative of some stripe or another while clearly not being one. To find that “OK” on the basis that the right is f’d up anyway shows its own partisan rationalizing at play, IMO.
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Political Atheist Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:59:53am |
Strongest oxymoron of this decade
(anything internet-email-IM-blog entries) & Privacy
They just can not co-exist. Matter anti matter relationship, except its always just the privacy that blows up.
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researchok Fri, Jun 25, 2010 11:00:55am |
re: #33 Walter L. Newton
No… I don’t see his mistaken use of that word as an outrage… and he apologized… I’ve used that word, wrongly or rightly here, and corrected my self if someone pointed out to me that my usage was faulty… sorry… he’s a fucking reporter, he can have varying opinions, he doesn’t have to be partisan… and he can be wrong… in my opinion this doesn’t undermine his ability to report an issue.
I take no issue with any of that.
WAPO did and I can understand why. For better or worse, playing the race card, gay card, etc., is a dangerous game- one that WAPO clearly didn’t want to play.
As to his capacity for impartiality, that merits debate given his remarks.
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Aceofwhat? Fri, Jun 25, 2010 11:01:07am |
re: #27 Nimed
Hm… right, but if you express your opinion in a private forum, said opinion is leaked and you’re fired for it, it kinda sucks.
Not when your job is in the public forum. Homey the Clown isn’t exactly some nobody working at Nobody Inc.
Rocket science, this is not…
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albusteve Fri, Jun 25, 2010 11:01:11am |
re: #49 Fozzie Bear
Public life.
All sterile, all the time.
tweets and twitters, and face books…the new American pulse monitors, so get used to it
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Fozzie Bear Fri, Jun 25, 2010 11:02:27am |
re: #52 albusteve
tweets and twitters, and face books…the new American pulse monitors, so get used to it
I fucking refuse to tweet to twitty twats. It’s vapid, and retarded. I will never be assimilated.
This coming from a man who is very much a technophile, has degrees in technology, etc.
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webevintage Fri, Jun 25, 2010 11:02:29am |
Wait a min….he got fired for private emails?
Private?
Wow.
This is redonkulous….
and really who doesn’t want to set Drudge on fire?
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Kragar Fri, Jun 25, 2010 11:03:00am |
A month’s worth of daily fucking reports and requests for status updates, everything fixed except for one teams boxes which are just enough to fail an inspection and they chime in today, “This is the first we’re heard of it. It will be a few days before we can get around to it.”
Someone is going to get fired.
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Aceofwhat? Fri, Jun 25, 2010 11:03:05am |
re: #42 ralphieboy
He is apologizing for private remarks he made in private e-mails that were made public by a hacker?
Has the world turned into an extended Big Brother reality show?
He is apologizing because he embarrassed his employer and his profession, among other things.
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karmic_inquisitor Fri, Jun 25, 2010 11:03:08am |
re: #34 Charles
Weigel’s resignation has led to an extended round of conservatives on Twitter bashing … me.
What else can one expect? Two very different cases.
Case 1: integrity in presenting one’s point of view gets you excommunicated;
Case 2: playing oneself off as a member of one group (and authoritatively covering it) while scheming with “the other” group to bring about the first group’s downfall.
Sorry SoCons - as different as lying and telling the truth (not that SoCons are able to tell the difference when examining their own conduct)
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webevintage Fri, Jun 25, 2010 11:03:12am |
re: #50 researchok
I take no issue with any of that.
WAPO did and I can understand why. For better or worse, playing the race card, gay card, etc., is a dangerous game- one that WAPO clearly didn’t want to play.
As to his capacity for impartiality, that merits debate given his remarks.
Except they are more then happy to have a dude working for them who called Hillary Clinton a bitch….
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Fozzie Bear Fri, Jun 25, 2010 11:03:30am |
This enrages me. Until someone can show me that he wasn’t fired for private emails, I will remain enraged.
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Fozzie Bear Fri, Jun 25, 2010 11:04:01am |
re: #57 Aceofwhat?
He is apologizing because he embarrassed his employer and his profession, among other things.
… in private, no?
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webevintage Fri, Jun 25, 2010 11:04:25am |
re: #57 Aceofwhat?
He is apologizing because he embarrassed his employer and his profession, among other things.
Private emails.
Private emails.
(I understand that nothing is private anymore…but PRIVATE emails…)
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albusteve Fri, Jun 25, 2010 11:04:49am |
re: #54 Fozzie Bear
I fucking refuse to tweet to twitty twats. It’s vapid, and retarded. I will never be assimilated.
This coming from a man who is very much a technophile, has degrees in technology, etc.
bow before the Cyberking
collective toolism
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darthstar Fri, Jun 25, 2010 11:05:02am |
re: #30 albusteve
read the bear mauling story up in Alaska today by chance?
No…was someone wrestling with a grisly mama?
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Jun 25, 2010 11:05:16am |
re: #60 Fozzie Bear
This enrages me. Until someone can show me that he wasn’t fired for private emails, I will remain enraged.
Until someone can show me that a reporter can have personal opinions and political view and can’t do a honest job of reporting, I will remain enraged.
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Sol Berdinowitz Fri, Jun 25, 2010 11:05:30am |
re: #57 Aceofwhat?
He is apologizing because he embarrassed his employer and his profession, among other things.
Please keep in mind, these were ostensible private remarks in a private forum. He did not embarass anyone any more than I embarass my mother-in-law by saying things to my wife about my mother-in-law when she is out of earshot.
If my wife chooses to repeat them to her mother it is her own embarrassment, not mine.
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Aceofwhat? Fri, Jun 25, 2010 11:05:54am |
re: #54 Fozzie Bear
I fucking refuse to tweet to twitty twats. It’s vapid, and retarded. I will never be assimilated.
This coming from a man who is very much a technophile, has degrees in technology, etc.
I’m with you there, brother. If i need something brief, i’ll text. If i need to be nuanced, i’ll email. But despite my exceedingly high opinion of my wit, intelligence, and all-around fabulousness…i don’t think that half-hour updates of my mundane activities do anything but kill brain cells that are better wasted through careful application of good gin.
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albusteve Fri, Jun 25, 2010 11:06:14am |
re: #55 webevintage
Wait a min…he got fired for private emails?
Private?
Wow.
This is redonkulous…and really who doesn’t want to set Drudge on fire?
yeah, me…it’s an inflammatory comment
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Charles Johnson Fri, Jun 25, 2010 11:06:21am |
re: #61 Fozzie Bear
… in private, no?
Whether it’s private or not is debatable - he posted to a listserv with many members. This is different from sending a private email to one person.
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Fozzie Bear Fri, Jun 25, 2010 11:06:24am |
Hey, better not ever complain in whispers about your job. You could get fired.
Pure bullshit.
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webevintage Fri, Jun 25, 2010 11:06:58am |
re: #68 albusteve
yeah, me…it’s an inflammatory comment
But one said in private…
(well except I just said it in public….)
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ShaunP Fri, Jun 25, 2010 11:07:57am |
re: #61 Fozzie Bear
… in private, no?
They were no longer private when they were leaked. They make the employer look bad; que sera, sera. There are many things in people’s private lives that could impact their employment status…
What I don’t understand is how joking about Obama being a mulato, antichrist, Kenyan usurper of the presidency is A-Ok to say in some circles, but calling homophobes bigots goes too far…
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Sol Berdinowitz Fri, Jun 25, 2010 11:08:21am |
I get it, it’s more like I was criticizing my mother-in-law in a bar and one of my wife’s friends heard it and repeated it to mother-in-law.
Yeah, I’m toast.re: #69 Charles
Whether it’s private or not is debatable - he posted to a listserv with many members. This is different from sending a private email to one person.
I get it, it’s more like I was criticizing my mother-in-law in a bar and one of my wife’s friends heard it and repeated it to mother-in-law.
Yeah, I’m toast.
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albusteve Fri, Jun 25, 2010 11:08:38am |
re: #64 darthstar
No…was someone wrestling with a grisly mama?
geologist…looked up and saw the bear from a distance coming for him…he got off one shot from his .357 and missed so he played dead and was mauled….the bear backed off and he got off two more shots that missed and the bear mauled him again…he needs more range time
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ShaunP Fri, Jun 25, 2010 11:08:52am |
re: #74 ralphieboy
I get it, it’s more like I was criticizing my mother-in-law in a bar and one of my wife’s friends heard it and repeated it to mother-in-law.
Yeah, I’m toast.
I get it, it’s more like I was criticizing my mother-in-law in a bar and one of my wife’s friends heard it and repeated it to mother-in-law.
Yeah, I’m toast.
is there an echo in here? ;P
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wrenchwench Fri, Jun 25, 2010 11:10:10am |
re: #47 karmic_inquisitor
Wiegel was posing as a conservative of some stripe or another while clearly not being one. To find that “OK” on the basis that the right is f’d up anyway shows its own partisan rationalizing at play, IMO.
Weigel has a portfolio of writing that goes back years. I don’t think he was “posing” as anything.
The urge to pigeonhole people seems to be irresistible. Weigel’s bosses had him in one, and were disappointed when they found it didn’t fit.
Lots of former commenters here were disappointed when Charles didn’t seem to fit the pigeonhole they had put him in.
This kind of disappointment apparently causes spittle-flecked rage, or firings.
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Fozzie Bear Fri, Jun 25, 2010 11:10:23am |
Thank GOD I don’t work for some kind of monolithic corporate entity that is simultaneously and paradoxically incredibly hypersensitive.
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webevintage Fri, Jun 25, 2010 11:10:23am |
re: #69 Charles
Whether it’s private or not is debatable - he posted to a listserv with many members. This is different from sending a private email to one person.
ahhhhhhhhh
but still, like I said the WAPO has no problem with Milbank and his “Mad Bitch Beer” comment which was in a moronic video on their site and all over the internet at one point.
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albusteve Fri, Jun 25, 2010 11:10:41am |
re: #67 Aceofwhat?
I’m with you there, brother. If i need something brief, i’ll text. If i need to be nuanced, i’ll email. But despite my exceedingly high opinion of my wit, intelligence, and all-around fabulousness…i don’t think that half-hour updates of my mundane activities do anything but kill brain cells that are better wasted through careful application of good gin.
we used to have a guy here that had the Body of Adonis that he sculpted every day
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albusteve Fri, Jun 25, 2010 11:11:21am |
re: #71 webevintage
But one said in private…
(well except I just said it in public…)
there is no ‘private’ in that racket
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simoom Fri, Jun 25, 2010 11:12:10am |
re: #58 karmic_inquisitor
Case 2: playing oneself off as a member of one group (and authoritatively covering it) while scheming with “the other” group to bring about the first group’s downfall.
I didn’t really follow Weigel’s Right Stuff blog too closely, but did he ever really suggest he was a a fellow traveller with the subjects he was covering? My impression was that he was something like a socially liberal libertarian.
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albusteve Fri, Jun 25, 2010 11:12:59am |
re: #79 Fozzie Bear
Thank GOD I don’t work for some kind of monolithic corporate entity that is simultaneously and paradoxically incredibly hypersensitive.
you’re not a minister?
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webevintage Fri, Jun 25, 2010 11:13:21am |
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Aceofwhat? Fri, Jun 25, 2010 11:13:36am |
re: #61 Fozzie Bear
… in private, no?
re: #62 webevintage
Private emails.
Private emails.(I understand that nothing is private anymore…but PRIVATE emails…)
I keep having to say it…even I’m not stupid enough to send private emails like this, and i only manage ~ 30 employees and a few supervisors at the moment.
Some things you just don’t write down, period. ESPECIALLY if you’re a public figure. It’s. not. rocket. science.
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karmic_inquisitor Fri, Jun 25, 2010 11:13:48am |
re: #62 webevintage
Private emails.
Private emails.(I understand that nothing is private anymore…but PRIVATE emails…)
I don’t consider JournoList content to be morally defensible as “private”.
These are the very same progressives that supposedly support sunshine laws and having debate wide open and in the public.
I support such ideas and have recently taken a bunch of crap from the local Republican Party and their Tea Party minions for inserting myself into a local election, putting sunshine laws into practice and costing their hand picked lemming an election. Glad I did it. One fewer mindless, stealth SoCon in Southern California politics.
JournoList is a cabal of misrepresentation and fabrication by those orchestrating a “movement” while presenting themselves as sunshine oriented truth seekers. They also blast their emails to those “on the list”.
One could make a “freedom of association” argument in favor of collective privacy but such was the argument made by country clubs to bar black and female members.
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albusteve Fri, Jun 25, 2010 11:13:49am |
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Aceofwhat? Fri, Jun 25, 2010 11:15:53am |
re: #66 ralphieboy
Please keep in mind, these were ostensible private remarks in a private forum. He did not embarass anyone any more than I embarass my mother-in-law by saying things to my wife about my mother-in-law when she is out of earshot.
If my wife chooses to repeat them to her mother it is her own embarrassment, not mine.
Please keep in mind that if i’m a VP and you work for me as a general manager, and you post nasty shit on a listserv, and it gets out, i’ll fire you on the spot for being such an incredible dumbass.
Then i’ll call you back just so i can fire your dumb ass again for harming the reputation of the company.
We clear yet, copain?
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HoosierHoops Fri, Jun 25, 2010 11:15:55am |
“People are feeling betrayed by whoever the leaker is, once again,” said Eric Alterman, the Nation columnist and journalism professor who is a member of the listserv. “I think it’s unwise to put anything on that list that you can’t defend in public. There’s no such thing as off-the-record with 400 people.”
Read more: [Link: www.politico.com…]
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Fozzie Bear Fri, Jun 25, 2010 11:16:00am |
re: #67 Aceofwhat?
I’m with you there, brother. If i need something brief, i’ll text. If i need to be nuanced, i’ll email. But despite my exceedingly high opinion of my wit, intelligence, and all-around fabulousness…i don’t think that half-hour updates of my mundane activities do anything but kill brain cells that are better wasted through careful application of good gin.
The world does not need or want to know what I had for lunch, the consistency of my feces, how great the sex I had last night was, or what I fought with my wife about.
I don’t want to hear it from other people, and people won’t hear it from me. I find it all extremely bizarre and disturbing. There is a generation coming up with not only no sense of personal propriety, but no respect for the privacy of others.
What ever happened to “NONE OF YOUR FUCKING BUSINESS”. I mean this in reference to personal matter, politics, everything.
What policy X senator proposes is my business. Who that senator is alleged to have slept with is NOT, I don’t care of it was an affair, or not. IT’S NONE OF MY BUSINESS.
This issue bothers me a great deal.
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webevintage Fri, Jun 25, 2010 11:16:08am |
Of course this is really payback for not kissing Palin’s ass in the whole “Joe’s a pedophile who is going to spy on my kids and take pictures of me mowing the lawn” dust up.
Her flying monkeys (which are really the same as Drudge’s) have been called home…
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Gus Fri, Jun 25, 2010 11:16:21am |
Meanwhile, Pat Buchanan still has a chair at MSNBC.
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karmic_inquisitor Fri, Jun 25, 2010 11:17:11am |
re: #78 wrenchwench
Weigel has a portfolio of writing that goes back years. I don’t think he was “posing” as anything.
The urge to pigeonhole people seems to be irresistible. Weigel’s bosses had him in one, and were disappointed when they found it didn’t fit.
Lots of former commenters here were disappointed when Charles didn’t seem to fit the pigeonhole they had put him in.
This kind of disappointment apparently causes spittle-flecked rage, or firings.
So the editors at the Washington Post are incapable of being anything but pigeonhole oriented? They aren’t broad minded? They did accept his resignation - was that because they were incapable of understanding where he was coming from after years of writing in their employment? And if not, then perhaps they should all resign for having then presented such a person to readers as an insider of the Right.
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Aceofwhat? Fri, Jun 25, 2010 11:17:18am |
re: #87 karmic_inquisitor
well said. as if i needed another reason to be generally disdainful of mainstream “journalists”. privacy is a right that apparently only applies to them.
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webevintage Fri, Jun 25, 2010 11:17:52am |
re: #93 Gus 802
Meanwhile, Pat Buchanan still has a chair at MSNBC.
Hell, Drudge still has a website and Sarah is still twittering her moronic tweets….
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Charles Johnson Fri, Jun 25, 2010 11:18:16am |
A surprising comment from Ben Smith:
The current flap over Washington Post blogger Dave Weigel has its roots in a fact that suprised me when I learned of it earlier this year: The Post appears to have hired Weigel, a liberal blogger, under the false impression that he’s a conservative. The new controversy over the revelation that he’s liberal is primarily the Post’s fault, not his, except to the degree that he allowed the paper’s brass to put him in an unsustainable position.
The Post didn’t know Weigel was a liberal? That’s pretty amazing, since Weigel has a history of public writing going back years, and his liberal/libertarian bias has been completely open. Didn’t the Post check into his background at all?
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Fozzie Bear Fri, Jun 25, 2010 11:19:21am |
re: #97 Charles
Ok fuck that. If they didn’t know his political bent, it’s because they didn’t even look.
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karmic_inquisitor Fri, Jun 25, 2010 11:19:30am |
re: #93 Gus 802
Meanwhile, Pat Buchanan still has a chair at MSNBC.
Well Pat Buchanan is quite forward about his paleoconservative, racist, misogynistic, anti-Semitic, neo-nazi excusing, proto-fascist ways.
Which is also why MSNBC is happy to have him and present him as a mainstream member of the right.
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karmic_inquisitor Fri, Jun 25, 2010 11:20:26am |
re: #97 Charles
A surprising comment from Ben Smith:
The Post didn’t know Weigel was a liberal? That’s pretty amazing, since Weigel has a history of public writing going back years, and his liberal/libertarian bias has been completely open. Didn’t the Post check into his background at all?
As maetnioned above - perhaps the editors should be fired.
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wrenchwench Fri, Jun 25, 2010 11:20:45am |
re: #94 karmic_inquisitor
They did accept his resignation - was that because they were incapable of understanding where he was coming from after
yearsweeks of writing in their employment?
FTFY. He just started there. His portfolio includes work at other publications, and a blog from years ago, and he tweets like a madman. Sounds like they investigated him not at all, but went on the recommendation of Ezra Klein.
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webevintage Fri, Jun 25, 2010 11:20:54am |
re: #97 Charles
The Post didn’t know Weigel was a liberal? That’s pretty amazing, since Weigel has a history of public writing going back years, and his liberal/libertarian bias has been completely open. Didn’t the Post check into his background at all?
That’s like them being shocked that Ezra Klien might be a Democrat….
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darthstar Fri, Jun 25, 2010 11:21:16am |
re: #75 albusteve
geologist…looked up and saw the bear from a distance coming for him…he got off one shot from his .357 and missed so he played dead and was mauled…the bear backed off and he got off two more shots that missed and the bear mauled him again…he needs more range time
Never should have brought a .357 to a bear fight.
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albusteve Fri, Jun 25, 2010 11:21:19am |
the Post, NYT, Reuters…it’s all the same blind bumble….
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Fozzie Bear Fri, Jun 25, 2010 11:21:56am |
re: #105 albusteve
the Post, NYT, Reuters…it’s all the same blind bumble…
Settle down steve. The whole world isn’t whores.
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Kragar Fri, Jun 25, 2010 11:22:07am |
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albusteve Fri, Jun 25, 2010 11:22:30am |
re: #103 darthstar
Never should have brought a .357 to a bear fight.
he might have better off with a spear…poor guy, but he’s okay
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Aceofwhat? Fri, Jun 25, 2010 11:22:55am |
re: #91 Fozzie Bear
What policy X senator proposes is my business. Who that senator is alleged to have slept with is NOT, I don’t care of it was an affair, or not. IT’S NONE OF MY BUSINESS.
This issue bothers me a great deal.
That’s different. Senator works for you. You have a direct say in his employment.
Mind you, homey was talking about his profession. He wasn’t disgraced because he offered an unpopular opinion about the weather.
I’m not afraid of saying something unrelated to business in private, like “world cup soccer referees wouldn’t know offsides if we stuck a replay control wand up their asses.” But you won’t find me making crude remarks about employees of my or any related company, in public or private. Because i’m a professional.
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Fozzie Bear Fri, Jun 25, 2010 11:23:05am |
re: #107 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Yeah I don’t get why he tried to shoot it as it was going away. Jesus, you won dude! Just lay there a few minutes, then quietly get up and get the hell out of there.
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Aceofwhat? Fri, Jun 25, 2010 11:23:16am |
re: #81 albusteve
we used to have a guy here that had the Body of Adonis that he sculpted every day
i’m still here/
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Fozzie Bear Fri, Jun 25, 2010 11:23:55am |
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albusteve Fri, Jun 25, 2010 11:23:59am |
re: #106 Fozzie Bear
Settle down steve. The whole world isn’t whores.
just the feds, the UN and MSM….I’m not making a sweeping judgment
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Nimed Fri, Jun 25, 2010 11:24:37am |
re: #69 Charles
Whether it’s private or not is debatable - he posted to a listserv with many members. This is different from sending a private email to one person.
Right. And journolist mails have been leaked before — at least once by Mickey Kaus. It’s naive to expect messages to remain private.
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Kragar Fri, Jun 25, 2010 11:24:39am |
re: #110 Fozzie Bear
Yeah I don’t get why he tried to shoot it as it was going away. Jesus, you won dude! Just lay there a few minutes, then quietly get up and get the hell out of there.
He thought that if he beat the bear’c claws and teeth with soft tissue long enough, it would die from exhaustion.
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webevintage Fri, Jun 25, 2010 11:24:57am |
re: #87 karmic_inquisitor
I don’t consider JournoList content to be morally defensible as “private”.
Neither do I.
I thought this was private emails since hacking was discussed and DC Examiner printed the name and workplace of his girlfriend.
My mistake.
I still don’t think it is enough to get one fired when you consider Millbank still has a job there. I guess he just had the good sense to not call Drudge a bitch….
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Gus Fri, Jun 25, 2010 11:25:20am |
re: #104 Fozzie Bear
This all smells fishy.
You know what that means! It’s ripe for conspiracies.
Let’s throw one out. Dave Weigel was hired by the Washington Post to run a conservative blog for the real purpose of chiding conservatives.
OK, I admit. I plagiarized that idea. Sounds plausible.
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albusteve Fri, Jun 25, 2010 11:26:19am |
re: #110 Fozzie Bear
Yeah I don’t get why he tried to shoot it as it was going away. Jesus, you won dude! Just lay there a few minutes, then quietly get up and get the hell out of there.
he didn’t…he was mauled and the bear wandered off…the guy didn’t wait long enough before getting up, and when he did the bear was 40yrds away and came at him again
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Aceofwhat? Fri, Jun 25, 2010 11:26:25am |
re: #98 Fozzie Bear
Ok fuck that. If they didn’t know his political bent, it’s because they didn’t even look.
…agreed, which is not exactly a ringing endorsement of an institution purportedly in the business of reporting things;)
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darthstar Fri, Jun 25, 2010 11:27:04am |
re: #111 Aceofwhat?
i’m still here/
Don’t you think you should let Adonis go home eventually? You can’t keep him chained up in your basement forever.
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Aceofwhat? Fri, Jun 25, 2010 11:27:33am |
re: #112 Fozzie Bear
*groan*
yeah, i know. and to think - i consider myself ‘mature’.
careful: dissonance at work
//
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albusteve Fri, Jun 25, 2010 11:28:16am |
re: #119 Aceofwhat?
…agreed, which is not exactly a ringing endorsement of an institution purportedly in the business of reporting things;)
right, which is a good excuse to lean on the Post…idiots, where two fools met
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Crimsonfisted Fri, Jun 25, 2010 11:28:28am |
re: #34 Charles
Weigel’s resignation has led to an extended round of conservatives on Twitter bashing … me.
Actually, I don’t think it is a bad idea! I for one, might actually buy a subscription in that case.
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Aceofwhat? Fri, Jun 25, 2010 11:29:18am |
re: #120 darthstar
Don’t you think you should let Adonis go home eventually? You can’t keep him chained up in your basement forever.
game, set, match - Darthstar
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Gus Fri, Jun 25, 2010 11:29:37am |
Something from Daily Caller:
June 25, 2010
E-mails reveal Post reporter savaging conservatives, rooting for Democrats
Some excerpts:
In other posts, Weigel describes conservatives as using the media to “violently, angrily divide America.” According to Weigel, their motives include “racism” and protecting “white privilege,” and for some of the top conservatives in D.C., a nihilistic thirst for power.
“There’s also the fact that neither the pundits, nor possibly the Republicans, will be punished for their crazy outbursts of racism. Newt Gingrich is an amoral blowhard who resigned in disgrace, and Pat Buchanan is an anti-Semite who was drummed out of the movement by William F. Buckley. Both are now polluting my inbox and TV with their bellowing and minority-bashing. They’re never going to go away or be deprived of their soapboxes,” Weigel wrote.
Of Matt Drudge, Weigel remarked, “It’s really a disgrace that an amoral shut-in like Drudge maintains the influence he does on the news cycle while gay-baiting, lying, and flubbing facts to this degree.”
To which I would say that Weigel is correct on all three points.
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wrenchwench Fri, Jun 25, 2010 11:29:53am |
I’ve noticed from his voluminous tweets that Dave kinda shoots from the hip, and is easily ticked off. I’ll bet he edits himself better in the future.
I spent some time myself trying to figure out where he’s coming from, and even argued about it in these pages. I ended up with pretty much what simoom said:
re: #83 simoom
I didn’t really follow Weigel’s Right Stuff blog too closely, but did he ever really suggest he was a a fellow traveller with the subjects he was covering? My impression was that he was something like a socially liberal libertarian.
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webevintage Fri, Jun 25, 2010 11:31:34am |
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darthstar Fri, Jun 25, 2010 11:31:52am |
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karmic_inquisitor Fri, Jun 25, 2010 11:31:55am |
re: #116 webevintage
Neither do I.
I thought this was private emails since hacking was discussed and DC Examiner printed the name and workplace of his girlfriend.
My mistake.
I still don’t think it is enough to get one fired when you consider Millbank still has a job there. I guess he just had the good sense to not call Drudge a bitch…
Well he resigned. Not sure if he was asked for his resignation or offered it. But based on the Politico reporting, seems the editors are equally culpable.
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darthstar Fri, Jun 25, 2010 11:32:19am |
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Gus Fri, Jun 25, 2010 11:32:58am |
re: #128 webevintage
Indeed.
I’ll be the first to admit that Weigel has frequently left me confused. However, I did enjoy his Washington Post blog.
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Aceofwhat? Fri, Jun 25, 2010 11:34:47am |
re: #129 darthstar
Those drop shots are killer on the knees.
the sprinting is good for you, though…and you can really get into someone’s head if you’re quick enough to get to a few drop shots. you get them thinking that they need to hit a perfect shot to get the ball out of your range and end up going for too much too soon.
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rwdflynavy Fri, Jun 25, 2010 11:35:31am |
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Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Jun 25, 2010 11:35:43am |
OT - Michael Jackson is still dead! For a year now.
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karmic_inquisitor Fri, Jun 25, 2010 11:36:14am |
re: #127 Gus 802
Matt Drudge is a parasite.
Matt Drudge has an opinion and uses few words to express it. i don’t think he has billed himself as an arbiter of all higher truth. He links to a lot of crap that has little credibility, or uses a link description more bombastic than the tone of the linked material.
Like 90% of the rest of the web trying to make the money he does.
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albusteve Fri, Jun 25, 2010 11:36:15am |
re: #135 Mad Al-Jaffee
OT - Michael Jackson is still dead! For a year now.
and making money hand over fist
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Aceofwhat? Fri, Jun 25, 2010 11:36:22am |
re: #125 Gus 802
Something from Daily Caller:
June 25, 2010
E-mails reveal Post reporter savaging conservatives, rooting for DemocratsSome excerpts:
To which I would say that Weigel is correct on all three points.
Really? Conservatives just want to protect ‘white privilege’?
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darthstar Fri, Jun 25, 2010 11:37:00am |
re: #135 Mad Al-Jaffee
OT - Michael Jackson is still dead! For a year now.
Apparently there’s going to be a one hour special on that very fact. Hell, I didn’t like him when he was still alive.
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Jack Burton Fri, Jun 25, 2010 11:37:31am |
re: #138 Aceofwhat?
Really? Conservatives just want to protect ‘white privilege’?
No, Kookservatives like Buchanan do.
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darthstar Fri, Jun 25, 2010 11:37:31am |
re: #137 albusteve
and making money hand over fist
Now that he’s finally learned how to not spend more than he makes.
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lawhawk Fri, Jun 25, 2010 11:38:06am |
re: #97 Charles
A surprising comment from Ben Smith:
The Post didn’t know Weigel was a liberal? That’s pretty amazing, since Weigel has a history of public writing going back years, and his liberal/libertarian bias has been completely open. Didn’t the Post check into his background at all?
You know, I could snark about journalists and media enterprises fact-checking, but that would just be piling on. /oh wait.
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darthstar Fri, Jun 25, 2010 11:38:18am |
re: #136 karmic_inquisitor
Matt Drudge has an opinion and uses few words to express it. i don’t think he has billed himself as an arbiter of all higher truth. He links to a lot of crap that has little credibility, or uses a link description more bombastic than the tone of the linked material.
Like 90% of the rest of the web trying to make the money he does.
Drudge is a link farm. I can’t recall ever seeing an original piece he’s written, besides a big linky-headline.
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Sacred Plants Fri, Jun 25, 2010 11:38:20am |
re: #11 rwdflynavy
Dammit! Aren’t a man’s *private* emails sacred!!!
//
No intellectual theft involved here, only peer indiscretion - the leak seems to be with one of the legitimate recipients rather than some sort of data criminal.
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Nimed Fri, Jun 25, 2010 11:38:34am |
re: #135 Mad Al-Jaffee
OT - Michael Jackson is still dead! For a year now.
Hey. What’s up with the Muslim bashing?
/
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Gus Fri, Jun 25, 2010 11:38:36am |
re: #138 Aceofwhat?
Really? Conservatives just want to protect ‘white privilege’?
It’s a board brush. The reality is that in this hyper-sensitive society we have created it’s usually best to be hyper-specific. So perhaps his use of the word “conservative” alone without providing specifics can lead to confusion. That being said those that frequently promote “white privilege” or what I would call a “Southern Strategy” are not found on the left.
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Sacred Plants Fri, Jun 25, 2010 11:38:59am |
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webevintage Fri, Jun 25, 2010 11:39:24am |
The worst part of this whole episode is that it gives Drudge more power/influence.
Drudge always makes me think of Burt Lancaster in Sweet Smell of Sucess except JJ Hunsecker has way more class then Drudge.
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karmic_inquisitor Fri, Jun 25, 2010 11:39:28am |
re: #143 darthstar
Drudge is a link farm. I can’t recall ever seeing an original piece he’s written, besides a big linky-headline.
Two Words.
Monica. Lewinsky.
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Nimed Fri, Jun 25, 2010 11:39:58am |
re: #97 Charles
A surprising comment from Ben Smith:
The Post didn’t know Weigel was a liberal? That’s pretty amazing, since Weigel has a history of public writing going back years, and his liberal/libertarian bias has been completely open. Didn’t the Post check into his background at all?
Maybe they were expecting a conservative-leaning libertarian, similar to Megan McArdle.
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karmic_inquisitor Fri, Jun 25, 2010 11:40:51am |
As Charles himself has posted - Drudge controls a firehose of internet traffic.
Like it or not. That is the reality.
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albusteve Fri, Jun 25, 2010 11:41:10am |
re: #146 Gus 802
It’s a board brush. The reality is that in this hyper-sensitive society we have created it’s usually best to be hyper-specific. So perhaps his use of the word “conservative” alone without providing specifics can lead to confusion. That being said those that frequently promote “white privilege” or what I would call a “Southern Strategy” are not found on the left.
whatever…the issue is that he wanted to burn some guy alive, posted that in a public forum and got his account blocked…I have no problem with that, regardless of his other stuff or his politics
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lawhawk Fri, Jun 25, 2010 11:41:11am |
re: #143 darthstar
He links. That’s what he does. He will occasionally get a scoop, which he then touts in flashy lights and sirens.
Drudge got big in the wake of revealing the Lewinsky scandal and that other media outlets weren’t willing to touch the story.
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Jack Burton Fri, Jun 25, 2010 11:41:41am |
re: #149 karmic_inquisitor
Two Words.
Monica. Lewinsky.
And he’s been dragging out his 15 minutes of fame for 12 years now.
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Aceofwhat? Fri, Jun 25, 2010 11:41:42am |
re: #140 ArchangelMichael
No, Kookservatives like Buchanan do.
I don’t disagree…it’s just not what Davey-boy said. Dave said ‘conservatives’.re: #146 Gus 802
It’s a board brush. The reality is that in this hyper-sensitive society we have created it’s usually best to be hyper-specific. So perhaps his use of the word “conservative” alone without providing specifics can lead to confusion. That being said those that frequently promote “white privilege” or what I would call a “Southern Strategy” are not found on the left.
Exactly. I didn’t mean to set you up; i figured that you could effortlessly provide more nuance in thirty seconds than a “high-profile journalist” who had all day to tailor his remarks as he saw fit.
Like i said to Ralphie…i’d have fired him for being a dumb shit first and foremost…i expect “professional journalists” to pick the right brush when they want to go to the racist palette…
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Gus Fri, Jun 25, 2010 11:41:44am |
re: #136 karmic_inquisitor
Matt Drudge has an opinion and uses few words to express it. i don’t think he has billed himself as an arbiter of all higher truth. He links to a lot of crap that has little credibility, or uses a link description more bombastic than the tone of the linked material.
Like 90% of the rest of the web trying to make the money he does.
He uses this “bombastic tone” which follows a business model that he has created over the years. It is highly partisan. He also includes mocking and visual images. One of the bi-products over the years is that the right will use his website to define the daily dialogue.
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albusteve Fri, Jun 25, 2010 11:42:49am |
re: #154 ArchangelMichael
And he’s been dragging out his 15 minutes of fame for 12 years now.
it’s a job…don’t take him too seriously
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karmic_inquisitor Fri, Jun 25, 2010 11:43:35am |
re: #154 ArchangelMichael
And he’s been dragging out his 15 minutes of fame for 12 years now.
Quite effectively
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Gus Fri, Jun 25, 2010 11:43:45am |
re: #155 Aceofwhat?
Exactly. I didn’t mean to set you up; i figured that you could effortlessly provide more nuance in thirty seconds than a “high-profile journalist” who had all day to tailor his remarks as he saw fit.
Like i said to Ralphie…i’d have fired him for being a dumb shit first and foremost…i expect “professional journalists” to pick the right brush when they want to go to the racist palette…
I’m also keeping another thing in mind. We might not know “the rest of the story”. Sometimes there are other reasons we might not be aware of which involve personal conflicts, behavior, etc.
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lawhawk Fri, Jun 25, 2010 11:43:59am |
re: #156 Gus 802
He gets the traffic because he cuts to the chase - left or right. You want to know what’s going on? You scan his headlines and links. You want to know more, you’ve got to go elsewhere.
I personally prefer this one. Or Google News.
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albusteve Fri, Jun 25, 2010 11:44:25am |
re: #156 Gus 802
He uses this “bombastic tone” which follows a business model that he has created over the years. It is highly partisan. He also includes mocking and visual images. One of the bi-products over the years is that the right will use his website to define the daily dialogue.
I like his siren…sort of ripped off the Blue Light Special, but hey, whatever it takes to get the hits
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Charles Johnson Fri, Jun 25, 2010 11:44:58am |
re: #99 karmic_inquisitor
Well Pat Buchanan is quite forward about his paleoconservative, racist, misogynistic, anti-Semitic, neo-nazi excusing, proto-fascist ways.
Which is also why MSNBC is happy to have him and present him as a mainstream member of the right.
Unfortunately, MSNBC is right. Pat Buchanan has been welcomed back into the right wing, big time. His columns appear in every major conservative outlet, no matter how racist or antisemitic they are.
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Cato the Elder Fri, Jun 25, 2010 11:45:44am |
So, what’s going on? Did Drudge really set himself on fire, or is that just a rumor?
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Aceofwhat? Fri, Jun 25, 2010 11:46:17am |
re: #159 Gus 802
I’m also keeping another thing in mind. We might not know “the rest of the story”. Sometimes there are other reasons we might not be aware of which involve personal conflicts, behavior, etc.
Eh. I don’t know. At some level of visibility/responsibility, you’re getting paid to rise above it. I think a high-profile gig at the WaPo is easily at level.
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lawhawk Fri, Jun 25, 2010 11:47:29am |
re: #163 Cato the Elder
/though you’d think that if he set himself on fire, there’d be flashing sirens on his page alerting the world to that fact.
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Charles Johnson Fri, Jun 25, 2010 11:48:53am |
I have to admit that I’m now wondering whether Weigel was being honest with his apparent support for Rand Paul.
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albusteve Fri, Jun 25, 2010 11:49:02am |
re: #165 lawhawk
[Video]/though you’d think that if he set himself on fire, there’d be flashing sirens on his page alerting the world to that fact.
brings back memories when I spent six weeks in a burn unit…a for real Burning Man
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Nimed Fri, Jun 25, 2010 11:49:44am |
re: #163 Cato the Elder
So, what’s going on? Did Drudge really set himself on fire, or is that just a rumor?
Unfortunately, Weigel was the one who set himself on fire, figuratively speaking.
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Gus Fri, Jun 25, 2010 11:50:03am |
re: #160 lawhawk
He gets the traffic because he cuts to the chase - left or right. You want to know what’s going on? You scan his headlines and links. You want to know more, you’ve got to go elsewhere.
I personally prefer this one. Or Google News.
He gets the traffic because he attracts a certain mentality. Not completely mind you but the majority of the traffic is because people think “it tastes good.” Thus he’s created a rather large following. which forms the daily dialogue. That is not based on his his “cold” traffic. The psychology or ideology of his following can also be determined on who clicks his advertising links or what they find interesting.
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Charles Johnson Fri, Jun 25, 2010 11:50:23am |
And I also have to admit that I agree with pretty much everything Weigel said in these emails.
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Jun 25, 2010 11:52:47am |
re: #170 Charles
And I also have to admit that I agree with pretty much everything Weigel said in these emails.
You’re fired ;)
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Fozzie Bear Fri, Jun 25, 2010 11:53:49am |
re: #138 Aceofwhat?
Really? Conservatives just want to protect ‘white privilege’?
Not as a group. But alot of people who call themselves conservative, but are nothing of the like, do.
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abolitionist Fri, Jun 25, 2010 11:54:11am |
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Fozzie Bear Fri, Jun 25, 2010 11:54:13am |
re: #163 Cato the Elder
So, what’s going on? Did Drudge really set himself on fire, or is that just a rumor?
More like a happy dream.
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webevintage Fri, Jun 25, 2010 11:54:33am |
re: #170 Charles
And I also have to admit that I agree with pretty much everything Weigel said in these emails.
ZOMG!!!!!
Drudge will send his flying monkeys after you next….
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Jun 25, 2010 11:54:52am |
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webevintage Fri, Jun 25, 2010 11:55:11am |
re: #163 Cato the Elder
So, what’s going on? Did Drudge really set himself on fire, or is that just a rumor?
We can only hope….
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abolitionist Fri, Jun 25, 2010 11:55:37am |
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darthstar Fri, Jun 25, 2010 11:55:45am |
Spain just scores from about 50 yards out as the Chile goal-keeper comes out of the box to stop a fast break and leaves the net un-attended.
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Jun 25, 2010 11:56:11am |
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Gus Fri, Jun 25, 2010 11:56:21am |
re: #172 Fozzie Bear
Not as a group. But alot of people who call themselves conservative, but are nothing of the like, do.
That reminds me. Was looking at a Gallup poll earlier. It was about conservatives outnumbering liberals (at 42%). What struck me was that they had only three categories: 1) Conservatives; 2) Moderates; and 3) Liberals. That leads one to ask who or what is lumped in within those categories.
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Aceofwhat? Fri, Jun 25, 2010 11:56:28am |
re: #172 Fozzie Bear
Not as a group. But alot of people who call themselves conservative, but are nothing of the like, do.
Again, no disagreement. I just think that when the ‘professional journalist’ has a broader brush than you or I on a topic as sensitive as racism, there is very little to defend…
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albusteve Fri, Jun 25, 2010 11:56:52am |
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Fozzie Bear Fri, Jun 25, 2010 11:57:18am |
re: #152 albusteve
whatever…the issue is that he wanted to burn some guy alive, posted that in a public forum and got his account blocked…I have no problem with that, regardless of his other stuff or his politics
Yeah, and when you say “fuck you” you intend to start raping people.
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Jack Burton Fri, Jun 25, 2010 11:57:18am |
re: #170 Charles
And I also have to admit that I agree with pretty much everything Weigel said in these emails.
That’s pretty much how I feel about what I’ve read in the mails. If there was no ‘moral issue’ about misrepresenting ones self in a professional setting this would be a total nontrovery.
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OldnGrumpy Fri, Jun 25, 2010 11:58:00am |
Does your new iphone suck?
Apple says tough shizzz,it’s your own damned fault,you’re holding it wrong!
[Link: www.cnn.com…]
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albusteve Fri, Jun 25, 2010 11:59:37am |
re: #184 Fozzie Bear
Yeah, and when you say “fuck you” you intend to start raping people.
one is not the other…and the Post can do whatever it wants…maybe he hit on the editors wife at the Halloween party
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darthstar Fri, Jun 25, 2010 12:00:09pm |
re: #186 OldnGrumpy
Does your new iphone suck?
Apple says tough shizzz,it’s your own damned fault,you’re holding it wrong!
[Link: www.cnn.com…]
Buy our accessories!
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Jun 25, 2010 12:01:12pm |
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wrenchwench Fri, Jun 25, 2010 12:01:52pm |
Dave’s latest tweet:
For the record, a whole lot of people are worse off than me. I’ll be all right.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Jun 25, 2010 12:01:53pm |
re: #188 darthstar
Buy our accessories!
Special Reception Harness! Now available.
We’re sorry. Your special reception harness is on back-order. Will be released in two months. Pay 39.95 and we’ll reserve your special place in line.
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Aceofwhat? Fri, Jun 25, 2010 12:01:55pm |
re: #179 darthstar
Spain just scores from about 50 yards out as the Chile goal-keeper comes out of the box to stop a fast break and leaves the net un-attended.
Roddick just beat Kolschreiber, who had beaten him in the Aussie Open a year or two ago. AR is looking good.
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webevintage Fri, Jun 25, 2010 12:02:01pm |
re: #186 OldnGrumpy
Does your new iphone suck?
Apple says tough shizzz,it’s your own damned fault,you’re holding it wrong!
[Link: www.cnn.com…]
hahahahahaha
How else would you hold it except by the metal sides?
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karmic_inquisitor Fri, Jun 25, 2010 12:02:41pm |
re: #162 Charles
You know that I don’t deny that the right is seriously f’d up and that Pat Buchanan is broadly embraced. I am not trying to imply otherwise.
The context of this thread 9as i see it) is about people shaping news. MSNBC is happy to have Buchanan as representing the mainstream right. And perhaps his views are now the mainstream right - I don’t know because I no longer am in the GOP and the political circles I was once in.
A quick trip to Pat’s site ([Link: tiny.cc…] under “news” has the whole thing laid bare - “authoritative” links to prison planet and other such fine organizations along with “stories” about the controlled demolitions of the WTC and McCain betraying his fellow prisoners of war.
Buchanan is an ass hat with a considerable following in the GOP among many who would describe themselves as mainstream yet probably aren’t truthers. Point is that these news organizations have an effect when they present a half cocked imbecile as representing a broad set of opinion. The effect is on both the those who oppose that view as well as re-shaping the views of those who support it. All regrettable.
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Aceofwhat? Fri, Jun 25, 2010 12:03:10pm |
re: #186 OldnGrumpy
Does your new iphone suck?
Apple says tough shizzz,it’s your own damned fault,you’re holding it wrong!
[Link: www.cnn.com…]
design > functionality
i swear, it’s in their charter somewhere…
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Gus Fri, Jun 25, 2010 12:03:23pm |
re: #190 wrenchwench
Dave’s latest tweet:
Yeah. You know what happens to some journalists in third world countries when they don’t agree with them.
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darthstar Fri, Jun 25, 2010 12:04:01pm |
re: #195 Aceofwhat?
design > functionality
i swear, it’s in their charter somewhere…
But it’s still got all the functionality of the iPod touch.
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OldnGrumpy Fri, Jun 25, 2010 12:04:36pm |
re: #189 Walter L. Newton
Wrap duck tape around the edges.
That’s right,if duct tape won’t fix it then it’s a pile of crap.
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Aceofwhat? Fri, Jun 25, 2010 12:04:43pm |
re: #193 webevintage
hahahahahaha
How else would you hold it except by the metal sides?
i know, right?
Hey, guys, we can make it thinner if we wrap the antenna through the grip!
Won’t that screw up the reception?
Dude, it can’t get any worse than it already is.
Right. Good point. Let’s make it thinner!
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Fozzie Bear Fri, Jun 25, 2010 12:04:49pm |
re: #182 Aceofwhat?
Again, no disagreement. I just think that when the ‘professional journalist’ has a broader brush than you or I on a topic as sensitive as racism, there is very little to defend…
Frankly, I still don’t think describing the state of today’s conservative movement in America as xenophobic and racist is far off the mark.
There are alot of good conservatives in the country, but they have been thoroughly marginalized by nutcases. It used to be the reverse, in the Buckley years. Sad.
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OldnGrumpy Fri, Jun 25, 2010 12:05:52pm |
re: #197 darthstar
But it’s still got all the functionality of the iPod touch.
Well if it doesn’t work then it only has the functionality of a paperweight
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webevintage Fri, Jun 25, 2010 12:05:52pm |
Shep Smith (who is quite awesome for a FOX dude) going after Andrew Napolitano for the Judge’s support of BP:
“I’m getting kinda grossed out, Judge,” Smith shot back. “You’re blaming the government for this?’
“I’m blaming the government for this,” Napolitano affirmed.
Smith then went off on BP’s record of safety violations and mistakes, asking Napolitano, “And now you’re going to turn around and blame the government for these bumbling, fumbling, crazy people?”
“How does it feel to be standing up for BP?” he asked.
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com…]
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wrenchwench Fri, Jun 25, 2010 12:06:11pm |
re: #196 Gus 802
Yeah. You know what happens to some journalists in third world countries when they don’t agree with them.
Journalists Killed in 2010 [Note: not all political, not all third world]
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darthstar Fri, Jun 25, 2010 12:07:30pm |
re: #201 OldnGrumpy
Well if it doesn’t work then it only has the functionality of a paperweight
A 25% thinner and lighter paper-weight, so it’s no good in the wind.
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karmic_inquisitor Fri, Jun 25, 2010 12:07:47pm |
re: #156 Gus 802
He uses this “bombastic tone” which follows a business model that he has created over the years. It is highly partisan. He also includes mocking and visual images. One of the bi-products over the years is that the right will use his website to define the daily dialogue.
Of course it is highly partisan. So is HuffPo. And TPM. I read all three.
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Cato the Elder Fri, Jun 25, 2010 12:09:39pm |
Wait, what? Walter just fired Charles?
But…now who’s going to make decisions for the rest of us stuck here on this island?
[Hint: I’m not volunteering.]
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Jun 25, 2010 12:10:32pm |
re: #206 Cato the Elder
Wait, what? Walter just fired Charles?
But…now who’s going to make decisions for the rest of us stuck here on this island?
[Hint: I’m not volunteering.]
If The Island is not done with you, there’s nothing you can do.
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OldnGrumpy Fri, Jun 25, 2010 12:10:38pm |
re: #204 darthstar
A 25% thinner and lighter paper-weight, so it’s no good in the wind.
Wow,that means it doesn’t even have the functionality of a paperweight.
What good is it then?
Will it skip on water(a la Corona beer commercial)?
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Gus Fri, Jun 25, 2010 12:10:50pm |
re: #203 wrenchwench
Journalists Killed in 2010 [Note: not all political, not all third world]
Thanks. I was just looking at this:
Rwanda ‘assassins’ kill reporter Jean Leonard Rugambage
A journalist working for a private newspaper has been shot dead in front of his house in the Rwandan capital.
Witnesses say Jean Leonard Rugambage, the acting editor of Umuvugizi newspaper, was fired on by two men who then fled in a car.
The authorities had recently suspended the paper, prompting it to start publishing online instead.
Police say they do not know who was behind the attack - the paper’s exiled chief editor has blamed the government…
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Jack Burton Fri, Jun 25, 2010 12:11:19pm |
re: #194 karmic_inquisitor
A quick trip to Pat’s site ([Link: tiny.cc…] under “news” has the whole thing laid bare - “authoritative” links to prison planet and other such fine organizations along with “stories” about the controlled demolitions of the WTC and McCain betraying his fellow prisoners of war.
What I don’t get about the renewed popularity of these clowns is this crap. The “conservatives” who were booing Luap Nor off the stage when he tried blaming the US for 9-11… are they just ignoring this crap now or do they really not know they are embracing a crazy that 2 years ago repulsed them?
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albusteve Fri, Jun 25, 2010 12:11:21pm |
re: #206 Cato the Elder
Wait, what? Walter just fired Charles?
But…now who’s going to make decisions for the rest of us stuck here on this island?
[Hint: I’m not volunteering.]
the Most Interesting Man In the World
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wrenchwench Fri, Jun 25, 2010 12:12:46pm |
Michael Calderone just tweeted:
I hear that @ezraklein is shutting down Journolist.
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albusteve Fri, Jun 25, 2010 12:13:53pm |
re: #210 ArchangelMichael
What I don’t get about the renewed popularity of these clowns is this crap. The “conservatives” who were booing Luap Nor off the stage when he tried blaming the US for 9-11… are they just ignoring this crap now or do they really not know they are embracing a crazy that 2 years ago repulsed them?
most are doing other thing and not following the Pauls….when I had my business, the last thing I wanted to do was watch TV, or follow obscure politics and talking heads…most people don’t even know who their senators are
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Kragar Fri, Jun 25, 2010 12:14:06pm |
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lawhawk Fri, Jun 25, 2010 12:14:27pm |
re: #210 ArchangelMichael
They’ve got bigger fish to fry and are more than willing to overlook the trooferism and conspiracy laden crapola in order to go after Obama, or whatever it is they’re railing against today.
A pox on all of ‘em.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Jun 25, 2010 12:15:14pm |
re: #206 Cato the Elder
But…now who’s going to make decisions for the rest of us stuck here on this island?
[Hint: I’m not volunteering.]
Probably Skipper or the Professor.
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Aceofwhat? Fri, Jun 25, 2010 12:15:31pm |
re: #200 Fozzie Bear
Frankly, I still don’t think describing the state of today’s conservative movement in America as xenophobic and racist is far off the mark.
There are alot of good conservatives in the country, but they have been thoroughly marginalized by nutcases. It used to be the reverse, in the Buckley years. Sad.
A small but disappointingly active percentage of self-professed conservatives are either xenophobic or racist, and a disappointingly larger percentage are too self-involved to see that their preferences, despite good intentions, might fertilize xenophobia and racism.
But i expect mainstream, haughty, “professional” journalists to do better than “conzervativz wantz more white powerz”.
That’s all. Here, when someone makes a broad-brushed statement, i chide them. If a professional journalists makes 100 of them, then i’m all for firing their dumb ass.
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karmic_inquisitor Fri, Jun 25, 2010 12:15:47pm |
BTW - on the subject of people shaping opinion …
Where and when did Social Conservatism become part of being a libertarian? Did Ron Paul pull that one off? I just don’t understand how someone can claim to be a libertine and then want Lew Rockwell’s America of biblical law as part of the package.
Whenever I see the words “Rand Paul” coupled with ‘libertarian” I cringe. Is there any place a social liberal / fiscal tight wad ( I won’t use “fiscal conservative” anymore since the Tea Party SoCons coopted that one) can call home and that home not be a sanatorium?
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albusteve Fri, Jun 25, 2010 12:16:31pm |
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lawhawk Fri, Jun 25, 2010 12:16:37pm |
re: #211 albusteve
I wouldn’t drink Dos Equis , but give me a Negra Modelo, and we can talk.
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Kragar Fri, Jun 25, 2010 12:16:53pm |
re: #216 Mad Al-Jaffee
Probably Skipper or the Professor.
Fuck the Professor. What kind of man can make radio out of coconuts but can’t fix a 2’ hole on a boat?
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Aceofwhat? Fri, Jun 25, 2010 12:17:33pm |
re: #206 Cato the Elder
Wait, what? Walter just fired Charles?
But…now who’s going to make decisions for the rest of us stuck here on this island?
[Hint: I’m not volunteering.]
i kept saying that a half-mile underneath the Denver Airport was a bad choice for the lizardoid lair…but nooo…Charles doesn’t listen to Aceofwhat…
//need i?
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Oh no...Sand People! Fri, Jun 25, 2010 12:18:11pm |
re: #218 karmic_inquisitor
BTW - on the subject of people shaping opinion …
Where and when did Social Conservatism become part of being a libertarian? Did Ron Paul pull that one off? I just don’t understand how someone can claim to be a libertine and then want Lew Rockwell’s America of biblical law as part of the package.
Whenever I see the words “Rand Paul” coupled with ‘libertarian” I cringe. Is there any place a social liberal / fiscal tight wad ( I won’t use “fiscal conservative” anymore since the Tea Party SoCons coopted that one) can call home and that home not be a sanatorium?
I have but one up-ding to give.
And gotta get to cleaning some rooms. Later all.
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albusteve Fri, Jun 25, 2010 12:18:23pm |
re: #218 karmic_inquisitor
BTW - on the subject of people shaping opinion …
Where and when did Social Conservatism become part of being a libertarian? Did Ron Paul pull that one off? I just don’t understand how someone can claim to be a libertine and then want Lew Rockwell’s America of biblical law as part of the package.
Whenever I see the words “Rand Paul” coupled with ‘libertarian” I cringe. Is there any place a social liberal / fiscal tight wad ( I won’t use “fiscal conservative” anymore since the Tea Party SoCons coopted that one) can call home and that home not be a sanatorium?
just stay put and let the storm blow over you
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Aceofwhat? Fri, Jun 25, 2010 12:18:50pm |
re: #220 lawhawk
I wouldn’t drink Dos Equis , but give me a Negra Modelo, and we can talk.
Eh. I’ve said it before…i don’t eat Belgian salsa, and i don’t drink Mexican beer;)
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albusteve Fri, Jun 25, 2010 12:19:33pm |
re: #220 lawhawk
I wouldn’t drink Dos Equis , but give me a Negra Modelo, and we can talk.
I love that guy…best thing on TV right now
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Jack Burton Fri, Jun 25, 2010 12:21:06pm |
re: #218 karmic_inquisitor
Is there any place a social liberal / fiscal tight wad ( I won’t use “fiscal conservative” anymore since the Tea Party SoCons coopted that one) can call home and that home not be a sanatorium?
If you find this magical place let me know. I’ve been tapping my Ruby Combat Boots together but nothing is happening.
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webevintage Fri, Jun 25, 2010 12:21:31pm |
re: #218 karmic_inquisitor
Where and when did Social Conservatism become part of being a libertarian? Did Ron Paul pull that one off? I just don’t understand how someone can claim to be a libertine and then want Lew Rockwell’s America of biblical law as part of the package.
I think since so many Tea party folks decided that they were Libertarians….
I’ve always assumed that Libertarians thought that all gov’t involvement in our private lives was evil.
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albusteve Fri, Jun 25, 2010 12:22:34pm |
re: #227 ArchangelMichael
If you find this magical place let me know. I’ve been tapping my Ruby Combat Boots together but nothing is happening.
where do you wanna go?…you are what you are, unless you’re influenced by elected officials and blogs
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darthstar Fri, Jun 25, 2010 12:25:02pm |
re: #228 webevintage
I think since so many Tea party folks decided that they were Libertarians…
I’ve always assumed that Libertarians thought that all gov’t involvement in our private lives was evil.
The teabaggers are so gullible you could call your party Rotarians and they’d all claim to be that.
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Jack Burton Fri, Jun 25, 2010 12:25:06pm |
re: #228 webevintage
I think since so many Tea party folks decided that they were Libertarians…
I’ve always assumed that Libertarians thought that all gov’t involvement in our private lives was evil.
I knew someone who was very SoCon who claimed to be a libertarian about 7-8 years ago. When I said “How do you reconcile being a pro-life zealot, pro war on terrorism, and totally anti drugs with the Libertarian stance on those subjects” I got a blank stare. I think she though Libertarian meant ‘good Christian who doesn’t want high taxes’ or something.
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Cato the Elder Fri, Jun 25, 2010 12:25:28pm |
re: #221 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Fuck the Professor. What kind of man can make radio out of coconuts but can’t fix a 2’ hole on a boat?
Seriously, dude.
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Mich-again Fri, Jun 25, 2010 12:25:29pm |
re: #218 karmic_inquisitor
Where and when did Social Conservatism become part of being a libertarian?
They aren’t Libertarians. They just know they don’t like to call themselves either Republicans or Democrats and Libertarian is the only other choice and since they have no idea what that word means, Voila!
My word for them would be Theocrat.
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albusteve Fri, Jun 25, 2010 12:25:36pm |
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OldnGrumpy Fri, Jun 25, 2010 12:25:49pm |
re: #230 albusteve
where do you wanna go?…you are what you are, unless you’re influenced by elected officials and blogs
Do you know what you are?
You are what you is.
Frank Zappa
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albusteve Fri, Jun 25, 2010 12:27:39pm |
re: #236 OldnGrumpy
Do you know what you are?
You are what you is.
Frank Zappa
[Video]
I’m a savoy truffle
| 238 |
Fozzie Bear Fri, Jun 25, 2010 12:27:43pm |
re: #218 karmic_inquisitor
BTW - on the subject of people shaping opinion …
Where and when did Social Conservatism become part of being a libertarian? Did Ron Paul pull that one off? I just don’t understand how someone can claim to be a libertine and then want Lew Rockwell’s America of biblical law as part of the package.
Whenever I see the words “Rand Paul” coupled with ‘libertarian” I cringe. Is there any place a social liberal / fiscal tight wad ( I won’t use “fiscal conservative” anymore since the Tea Party SoCons coopted that one) can call home and that home not be a sanatorium?
Not possible in our system, frankly.
In a parliamentary system, coalition building around particular issues is possible, and multiple parties can work. Here, in our winner-take-all system, it just never works out.
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karmic_inquisitor Fri, Jun 25, 2010 12:29:32pm |
re: #210 ArchangelMichael
What I don’t get about the renewed popularity of these clowns is this crap. The “conservatives” who were booing Luap Nor off the stage when he tried blaming the US for 9-11… are they just ignoring this crap now or do they really not know they are embracing a crazy that 2 years ago repulsed them?
I have no idea where it all is.
I left / got kicked out. We are in the midst of another SoCon orgy of blood and fire that will no doubt cleanse all who emerge.
I remember making up my mind to vote for Bill Clinton when Pat Buchanan took over the GOP convention when Bush 1 ran for re-election. But Clinton was the least Keynsian national political figure in the last generation. he actually understands market forces can be harnessed and government revenues can grow as a result. Bush 2 was full bore Keynsian and used government spending to float the economy after 9/11 and then in the banking crisis.
Point being that I no longer have even the remotest expectation of ideological consistency among the parties. It is Burger King and McDonalds and they are both serving up crap. The fact that the GOP is re-doing the menu around SoCon purity tests and indulging any friggun whacko who is sufficiently zealous to man the deep fryer neither surprises me nor has me vainly hoping for a positive outcome. Same goes for Nancy’s crowd on Nob Hill. The “Financial Reform” she bartered today was written by those it supposedly regulates and now creates a low risk environment for derivatives trading (the OTC derivatives market is nominally 10 times the size of the global GDP, and is about to get even bigger). That will suck capital away from productivity and towards speculation making credit markets even more skeptical of borrowing applications. The profits in derivatives (which employ very few people) are too large to curtail, and the paper risks of the trades have now been lowered with the quasi-liquidation rules.
We are all screwed.
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OldnGrumpy Fri, Jun 25, 2010 12:29:46pm |
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albusteve Fri, Jun 25, 2010 12:31:33pm |
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OldnGrumpy Fri, Jun 25, 2010 12:32:17pm |
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karmic_inquisitor Fri, Jun 25, 2010 12:32:36pm |
re: #224 albusteve
just stay put and let the storm blow over you
That was what I thought when Bush 1 was running for re-election. I figured that the SoCons would get run out of town when he lost.
I was wrong. Very wrong.
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albusteve Fri, Jun 25, 2010 12:33:08pm |
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Bubblehead II Fri, Jun 25, 2010 12:34:34pm |
Afternoon Lizards. Kinda OT.
GOP panel says Idaho needs to form state militia
IDAHO FALLS, Idaho — Could Idaho get an all-volunteer state militia that’s out from under any federal control?
A Butte County delegate to the state Republican Party convention in Idaho Falls on Friday got his compatriots on a committee to go along with the plan - at least on paper.
The idea must still win full convention approval Saturday.
Butte County delegate Guy Mongan says such a force could assist in the event of natural disasters and wouldn’t be subject to a military call-up, such like the Idaho National Guard.
Ada County delegate Phil Hardy says he appreciates the notion that Idaho could be left unprotected if many of its citizen soldiers are dispatched to defend the nation. But Hardy contends the time isn’t ripe for the plan.
The measure cleared the committee on a 21-18 vote.
Teh krazy…… It Burns……….
Read more: [Link: www.idahostatesman.com…]
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Fozzie Bear Fri, Jun 25, 2010 12:34:39pm |
re: #239 karmic_inquisitor
One error:
Bush was not even remotely keynesian. Keynes didn’t advocate for blowing tons of cash on random shit while cutting taxes. Keynes advocated a specific kind of spending: countercyclical, and a specific way to spend it.
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OldnGrumpy Fri, Jun 25, 2010 12:35:44pm |
re: #245 albusteve
I jest…I know every lyric, in order, on the record
But do you know the words when you play the album backwards?
You know if you play the white album backwards………
You ruin your needle :D
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Jun 25, 2010 12:36:00pm |
re: #238 Fozzie Bear
Not possible in our system, frankly.
In a parliamentary system, coalition building around particular issues is possible, and multiple parties can work. Here, in our winner-take-all system, it just never works out.
That’s a lot of what I have been trying to say off and on for years at LGF. If anyone, on any side, really examines what is happening in DC, there are not too many of these politicians that actually represent any of us down here… unless you are a blossoming white-collar corporate criminal, or have some selfish special interest in something.
The whole system has become a cesspool, and the occasional ideologue who manages to get a seat in one of the chambers is most frequently overcome by the fumes.
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albusteve Fri, Jun 25, 2010 12:36:27pm |
re: #244 karmic_inquisitor
That was what I thought when Bush 1 was running for re-election. I figured that the SoCons would get run out of town when he lost.
I was wrong. Very wrong.
I ain’t budging…I have never wavered from my little three legged stool….the GOP is not my gig and if they win out in the end with their neotheocracy, I’ll still be under the radar doing and thinking the same as I ever had….I’m not for sale
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wrenchwench Fri, Jun 25, 2010 12:36:39pm |
re: #239 karmic_inquisitor
It is Burger King and McDonalds and they are both serving up crap.
Speaking of which, how are your restaurants? Doing well, I hope.
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albusteve Fri, Jun 25, 2010 12:37:52pm |
re: #248 OldnGrumpy
But do you know the words when you play the album backwards?
You know if you play the white album backwards…
You ruin your needle :D
yes, I can sing each song backwards if I want….a party favorite
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Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Jun 25, 2010 12:39:23pm |
re: #248 OldnGrumpy
But do you know the words when you play the album backwards?
You know if you play the white album backwards…
You ruin your needle :D
You know what happens if you play new age music backwards?
It sill sucks.
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Aceofwhat? Fri, Jun 25, 2010 12:40:34pm |
re: #236 OldnGrumpy
Do you know what you are?
You are what you is.
Frank Zappa
[Video]
i am a meat popsicle
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albusteve Fri, Jun 25, 2010 12:40:40pm |
re: #249 Walter L. Newton
That’s a lot of what I have been trying to say off and on for years at LGF. If anyone, on any side, really examines what is happening in DC, there are not too many of these politicians that actually represent any of us down here… unless you are a blossoming white-collar corporate criminal, or have some selfish special interest in something.
The whole system has become a cesspool, and the occasional ideologue who manages to get a seat in one of the chambers is most frequently overcome by the fumes.
people are deep into their parties and the wings….a corrupt govt is foreign to them, even when the evidence stares them in the face…I’ve seen plenty of it right here, and I’m the one that gets mocked for my broken love affair with the feds
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OldnGrumpy Fri, Jun 25, 2010 12:42:58pm |
re: #253 Mad Al-Jaffee
You know what happens if you play new age music backwards?
It sill sucks.
I wouldn’t know,I don’t listen to new age music.
From Wikipedia-
New Age music is music of various styles intended to create artistic inspiration, relaxation, and optimism. It is used by listeners for yoga, massage, meditation,[1] and reading as a method of stress management[2] or to create a peaceful atmosphere in their home or other environments, and is often associated with environmentalism and New Age spirituality.[1]
The harmonies in New Age music are generally modal, consonant, or include a drone bass. The melodies are often repetitive, to create a hypnotic feeling, and sometimes recordings of nature sounds are used as an introduction to a track or throughout the piece. Pieces of up to thirty minutes are common.
As Bill the Cat would say-“Gaaaaack”
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Slap Fri, Jun 25, 2010 12:43:57pm |
re: #226 albusteve
My favorite of the many great lines in those commercials:
“His mother has a tattoo that says….SON.”
Cracked me up…..
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albusteve Fri, Jun 25, 2010 12:44:28pm |
re: #257 Slap
My favorite of the many great lines in those commercials:
“His mother has a tattoo that says…SON.”
Cracked me up…
my favorite too
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Aceofwhat? Fri, Jun 25, 2010 12:44:39pm |
re: #247 Fozzie Bear
One error:
Bush was not even remotely keynesian. Keynes didn’t advocate for blowing tons of cash on random shit while cutting taxes. Keynes advocated a specific kind of spending: countercyclical, and a specific way to spend it.
I agree.
Keynes also said “even wise and necessary reform may, in some respects, impede and complicate recovery. For it will upset the confidence of the business world and weaken their existing motives to action, before you have had time to put other motives in their place.”
I’m looking at you, Dodd. Wait for the economy to recover. THEN talk about financial reform, you corrupt old fool.
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Slap Fri, Jun 25, 2010 12:44:48pm |
re: #256 OldnGrumpy
When practitioners go by names like “Yanni” and “John Tesh”, you’re in for a bad ride…..
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OldnGrumpy Fri, Jun 25, 2010 12:48:30pm |
re: #260 Slap
When practitioners go by names like “Yanni” and “John Tesh”, you’re in for a bad ride…
John Tesh,isn’t he the news dude from WTBS?
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karmic_inquisitor Fri, Jun 25, 2010 12:51:10pm |
re: #247 Fozzie Bear
One error:
Bush was not even remotely keynesian. Keynes didn’t advocate for blowing tons of cash on random shit while cutting taxes. Keynes advocated a specific kind of spending: countercyclical, and a specific way to spend it.
Problem is that there is no industrial base to make infrastructure investments around. There is no point in paving more freeways to Youngstown Ohio if our capital markets have no interest whatsoever in investing in manufacturing. Youngstown is now a national pity monument - a place where politicians go to pitch the idea that they are going to bring back well paying semi skilled jobs to America. then they get on one of the banking / finance committees and take the money from Manhattan and vote for policies that makes the cost of capital for manufacturing higher because the REAL money is in the derivatives market. And now the risk/reward calculation is even more skewed - the risk of playing the derivatives market just went down while the reward ratio is still very high. Opening a manufacturing plant is a competitive investment?
So what do you need the Keynsian infrastructure investments for? To carry more goods? That you are importing? To people who do low yield service jobs?
When Keynes was assembling theory we had an industrial economy. We now have a service economy - and a marginal one at that.
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karmic_inquisitor Fri, Jun 25, 2010 12:52:33pm |
re: #251 wrenchwench
Speaking of which, how are your restaurants? Doing well, I hope.
Thanks for asking. Doing OK. Better than everyone else but no one is making money in this business right now except in New York City and DC.
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soundboard fez Fri, Jun 25, 2010 1:23:52pm |
re: #218 karmic_inquisitor
BTW - on the subject of people shaping opinion …
Where and when did Social Conservatism become part of being a libertarian? Did Ron Paul pull that one off? I just don’t understand how someone can claim to be a libertine and then want Lew Rockwell’s America of biblical law as part of the package.
Whenever I see the words “Rand Paul” coupled with ‘libertarian” I cringe. Is there any place a social liberal / fiscal tight wad ( I won’t use “fiscal conservative” anymore since the Tea Party SoCons coopted that one) can call home and that home not be a sanatorium?
There are libertarians who believe in individual liberty. There are also self-styled libertarians who believe in the rights of state and local government to discriminate against whomever they please, free from federal interference. I count the Pauls among the latter.
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Boogberg Fri, Jun 25, 2010 1:47:17pm |
Orgasms are bipartisan. I think my Sister’s nurse is hitting on me. She’s married though.
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tradewind Fri, Jun 25, 2010 3:19:08pm |
The Atlantic hauls out the world’s tiniest violin for Weigel. Payback, she’s such a bitch.
[Link: www.theatlantic.com…]
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Bloodnok Fri, Jun 25, 2010 4:24:50pm |
So basically Weigel was nothing more than a successful moby.
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karmic_inquisitor Fri, Jun 25, 2010 4:40:21pm |
Per Fishbowl, it looks like JournoList is being shut down by Ezra Klein, its creator …
[Link: www.mediabistro.com…]
Like I said - JournoList is and was a dung heap.
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Jimmah Fri, Jun 25, 2010 4:43:01pm |
re: #26 Walter L. Newton
Sorry… I don’t see that as an outrage…
Me neither. Calling opponents of gay marriage “bigots”? I’ve called them worse than that myself.
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karmic_inquisitor Fri, Jun 25, 2010 4:49:19pm |
re: #269 Jimmah
Me neither. Calling opponents of gay marriage “bigots”? I’ve called them worse than that myself.
Well the “ratfucker” comments are terms I have never used. And while I have come out against much of which Weigel has I never claimed to be covering conservative issues fairly for the most reputable publication in the nation’s capital. Then again, maybe I too am just a “ratfucker” who is too ratfucked to fucking understand what a ratfucking idiot I am (to use the perfectly defensible and understandable parlance of the esteemed former Washington Post “Journalist” in question)
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Jimmah Fri, Jun 25, 2010 4:53:26pm |
re: #125 Gus 802
Something from Daily Caller:
June 25, 2010
E-mails reveal Post reporter savaging conservatives, rooting for DemocratsSome excerpts:
In other posts, Weigel describes conservatives as using the media to “violently, angrily divide America.” According to Weigel, their motives include “racism” and protecting “white privilege,” and for some of the top conservatives in D.C., a nihilistic thirst for power.
“There’s also the fact that neither the pundits, nor possibly the Republicans, will be punished for their crazy outbursts of racism. Newt Gingrich is an amoral blowhard who resigned in disgrace, and Pat Buchanan is an anti-Semite who was drummed out of the movement by William F. Buckley. Both are now polluting my inbox and TV with their bellowing and minority-bashing. They’re never going to go away or be deprived of their soapboxes,” Weigel wrote.
Of Matt Drudge, Weigel remarked, “It’s really a disgrace that an amoral shut-in like Drudge maintains the influence he does on the news cycle while gay-baiting, lying, and flubbing facts to this degree.”
To which I would say that Weigel is correct on all three points.
Agreed!
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Amory Blaine Fri, Jun 25, 2010 4:54:56pm |
We don’t need government censors to destroy free speech. We will do it to ourselves just as surely.
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Jimmah Fri, Jun 25, 2010 5:06:42pm |
re: #270 karmic_inquisitor
And while I have come out against much of which Weigel has I never claimed to be covering conservative issues fairly for the most reputable publication in the nation’s capital.
Has it actually been established that Weigel went to the interview ‘dressed up as a conservative’, so to speak? As far as I know, that’s just speculation - and an unlikely one at that. If you were a well known liberal blogger could you really have any serious expectation that you could pass yourself off as a conservative writer for a job at the Washington Post?
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