Idaho GOP Approves Plan for Militia

As the bad craziness of the right wing continues to accelerate, a Republican committee at the Idaho GOP convention has voted to support creating a state militia.

IDAHO FALLS, Idaho — Could Idaho get an all-volunteer state militia that’s out from under any federal control?

A Butte County delegate to the state Republican Party convention in Idaho Falls on Friday got his compatriots on a committee to go along with the plan - at least on paper.

The idea must still win full convention approval Saturday.

Butte County delegate Guy Mongan says such a force could assist in the event of natural disasters and wouldn’t be subject to a military call-up, such like the Idaho National Guard.

Ada County delegate Phil Hardy says he appreciates the notion that Idaho could be left unprotected if many of its citizen soldiers are dispatched to defend the nation. But Hardy contends the time isn’t ripe for the plan.

The measure cleared the committee on a 21-18 vote.

Great idea. What could possibly go wrong?

(Hat tip: Bubblehead II.)

UPDATE at 6/25/10 1:21:29 pm:

And that isn’t even the craziest thing going on at this GOP convention. They’re also calling for the repeal of the 17th Amendment to the US Constitution, and pushing a measure which would prevent transsexuals from marrying: GOP delegates call for repeal of 17th Amendment; push for further definition of marriage.

IDAHO FALLS (AP) - Republicans from across Idaho took aim at the 17th amendment during their state convention, calling for repeal of the measure.

A GOP committee narrowly passed a measure Friday to include language in the state party’s platform that seeks to nullify the amendment created a century ago to shift election of U.S. senators from state legislatures to voters.

Supporters of the measure say making senators accountable to legislators instead of voters will restore the constitution’s checks and balances.

Sen. Jeff Siddoway, a Terreton Republican, joined more than a dozen other delegates in voting against the proposal, saying it takes voters out of the equation. Siddoway told delegates: “You’re giving up your right to vote for people who are representing you in Washington, D.C.”

In other GOP Convention news, A panel of GOP delegates at the state party’s convention passed a measure Friday to define marriage as a bond between a “naturally born” man and woman, effectively barring transgenders.

Bannock County delegate Ralph Lilling says his amendment to the state party’s platform will help further protect the traditional family unit.

But Donna Montgomery, a delegate from Kootenai County, argued that the additional language was unnecessary because people from Idaho understand man is a man and a woman is a woman.

The measure still has to go before the full convention for approval.

(Hat tip: freetoken.)

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187 comments
1 OldnGrumpy  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 12:53:43pm

Militias were a good idea.....during WWI

Their time is past.

2 Dante41  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 12:53:47pm

Sooo... it is essentially the National Guard, circa 1900?

3 Bubblehead II  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 12:54:02pm

Thank You Charles for the HT. Didn't think it was all that of a big deal. Small State Politics. Though I hope it does go down in flames as cooler heads prevail.

4 The Curmudgeon  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 12:54:50pm

It could be misused (that's an understatement), but the concept itself isn't crazy. Jefferson described the Militia in Notes on Virginia. It consisted of all men (free men, one assumes) from 16 to 60 (this is from memory). It was organized by county, and subject to the Governor's call. Everyone had to supply his own weapons. Probably useful in case of Indian attacks.

5 Kragar  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 12:55:18pm

So in the event of emergency, and the U.S. Military, the National Guard, the State Police, the county sheriffs, the local police and all other forms of trained response are all out of commision, a bunch of semi-organized civilians will be able to save the day!

Someone needs to go home, bust out their stash, watch Red Dawn for the millionth time and shut the hell up.

6 Dante41  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 12:57:16pm

re: #1 OldnGrumpy

Militias were a good idea...during WWI

Their time is past.

Not even then, really. Once war became industrialized, militias just became meat for the grinder.

7 Mich-again  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 12:57:35pm

Man the Potato Slingshots! Bogies at 12 O'Clock!

8 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 12:58:13pm

A well organized militia, being necessary to the well being of the state, should not allow a bunch of camo-clad yahoos go calling themselves a militia...

9 Kragar  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 12:59:03pm

I think a few lizards are underestimating the threat to our potato supplies from international criminal and terrorist threats. Who will defend our spuds while our boys fight the Huns?

10 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 12:59:48pm

re: #4 The Curmudgeon

Er, I'm pretty sure they're not a-skeered of Injuns nowadays.

11 OldnGrumpy  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 1:00:18pm

re: #6 Dante41

Not even then, really. Once war became industrialized, militias just became meat for the grinder.

Indeed,my grandpa was a militia member in France during WWI,said it was awefull.

They did win the war though.

12 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 1:00:53pm

OathKeepers!

13 A Man for all Seasons  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 1:01:35pm

re: #9 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I think a few lizards are underestimating the threat to our potato supplies from international criminal and terrorist threats. Who will defend our spuds while our boys fight the Huns?

Freedom Fries!

14 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 1:02:12pm

Given that in the brevity of the Second Amendment, the drafters took the trouble to include the words 'well-organized'...I think that's significant.

Well-organized.

15 Dante41  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 1:02:30pm

re: #11 OldnGrumpy

Indeed,my grandpa was a militia member in France during WWI,said it was awefull.

They did win the war though.

True, but by that point in time, militiamen were essentially cannon fodder to distract the machine gunners. They just didn't have the mindset or the skill set of a trench veteran.

16 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 1:02:35pm

Wolverines!

17 researchok  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 1:07:48pm

They already have a state controlled militia.

It's called the National Guard.

18 Bubblehead II  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 1:08:23pm

"The idea must still win full convention approval Saturday."

This isn't a done deal. Just an idea that has been floated by a representative of a a Butte County delegate to the state Republican Party convention in Idaho Falls. And they seem perceptive......

But it is still, shall we say.ambiguous

We shall wait and see.

// Gee You thought Idaho was, what?

19 What, me worry?  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 1:09:17pm

re: #4 The Curmudgeon

It could be misused (that's an understatement), but the concept itself isn't crazy. Jefferson described the Militia in Notes on Virginia. It consisted of all men (free men, one assumes) from 16 to 60 (this is from memory). It was organized by county, and subject to the Governor's call. Everyone had to supply his own weapons. Probably useful in case of Indian attacks.

Well ya, because we didn't have a National Guard, an Army per se or even a local police force. Militias had a time and it was over 250 years ago.

20 Romantic Heretic  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 1:09:37pm

re: #5 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

So in the event of emergency, and the U.S. Military, the National Guard, the State Police, the county sheriffs, the local police and all other forms of trained response are all out of commision, a bunch of semi-organized civilians will be able to save the day!

Someone needs to go home, bust out their stash, watch Red Dawn for the millionth time and shut the hell up.

If Red Dawn hadn't been an American movie about American partisans fighting Russians and Cubans in WWIII it could easily have been a Russian movie about Russian partisans fighting Germans and Romanians in WWII.

Of course the wingnuts do think that America has been conquered so they don't think forming a partisan organization is such an out there idea.

21 brookly red  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 1:09:42pm

Well I guess it's OK as long as they don't get real bullets...

22 Dante41  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 1:09:50pm

re: #17 researchok

They already have a state controlled militia.

It's called the National Guard.

Weeell, this here militia is diff'rent. We gonna keep them fatcats in Washington from takin' it away from our Idaho soil!

///

23 S'latch  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 1:09:58pm

Just imagine if Idaho fell into the hands of the enemy.

24 The Curmudgeon  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 1:10:31pm

re: #10 Charles

Er, I'm pretty sure they're not a-skeered of Injuns nowadays.

Ya never know. There's also census takers and big city types. Hey, I found Jefferson's Notes on Virginia online. Here's an excerpt from the militia chapter:

[Quoting Jefferson:] Every able bodied freeman, between the ages of 16 and 50, is enrolled in the militia. Those of every county are formed into companies ... . They are commanded by colonels, and other subordinate officers, as in the regular service. ... We have no general officers always existing. These are appointed occasionally, when an invasion or insurrection happens, and their commission determines with the occasion. The governor is head of the military, as well as civil power. The law requires every militia-man to provide himself with the arms usual in the regular service.

25 researchok  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 1:11:11pm

re: #23 Lawrence Schmerel

Just imagine if Idaho fell into the hands of the enemy.

I hear you.

You gotta watch out for those people from Alberta and Saskatchewan.

26 freetoken  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 1:11:46pm

Thing is, the "militia" part of the meeting isn't necessarily the weirdest to have come out of that conclave:

In other GOP Convention news, A panel of GOP delegates at the state party's convention passed a measure Friday to define marriage as a bond between a "naturally born" man and woman, effectively barring transgenders.

Bannock County delegate Ralph Lilling says his amendment to the state party's platform will help further protect the traditional family unit.

But Donna Montgomery, a delegate from Kootenai County, argued that the additional language was unnecessary because people from Idaho understand man is a man and a woman is a woman.

The measure still has to go before the full convention for approval.

Well, that should settle that!

27 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 1:12:37pm

This is not a crazy concept in and of itself. Texas has long had such a militia, the Texas State Guard. This is independent of the national armed forces, and not to be confused with the National Guard, which is subject to federal service.

This is not in any way equivalent to a private wingnut militia. Thanks to the survivalist wingnuts, the word "militia" has taken on some unfortunate connotations it did not originally have.

28 What, me worry?  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 1:12:40pm

re: #17 researchok

They already have a state controlled militia.

It's called the National Guard.

The article says that they would help in disasters but wouldn't be subject to military call-up and the National Guard is.

Serve your country, but don't serve your country? So basically, they're a bunch of [really fat] guys with guns, slinking around the woods in camouflage to do WHAT, I just wonder... (but you knew that already :p)

29 Kragar  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 1:14:06pm

re: #26 freetoken

Thing is, the "militia" part of the meeting isn't necessarily the weirdest to have come out of that conclave:


Well, that should settle that!

Where men are men and the livestock is skittish.

30 Fart Knocker  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 1:14:22pm

re: #16 Mad Al-Jaffee

Wolverines!

Dammit! You beat me to it!

31 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 1:15:00pm

re: #28 marjoriemoon

The article says that they would help in disasters but wouldn't be subject to military call-up and the National Guard is.

Serve your country, but don't serve your country? So basically, they're a bunch of [really fat] guys with guns, slinking around the woods in camouflage to do WHAT, I just wonder... (but you knew that already :p)

That's a bunch of WELL ORGANIZED really fat guys with guns slinking around the woods in camouflage, mister!!!

32 lawhawk  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 1:15:18pm

re: #28 marjoriemoon

The article says that they would help in disasters but wouldn't be subject to military call-up and the National Guard is.

Serve your countrystate, but don't serve your country? So basically, they're a bunch of [really fat] guys with guns, slinking around the woods in camouflage to do WHAT, I just wonder... (but you knew that already :p)

FTFY

It's all part of the states' rights movement. National guards can be nationalized and these proponents think that the militias would not be subject to nationalization.

It doesn't make any sense any way you cut it though.

33 freetoken  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 1:16:06pm

re: #27 Shiplord Kirel

Given that this same enclave:

... took aim at the 17th amendment during their state convention, calling for repeal of the measure.

A GOP committee narrowly passed a measure Friday to include language in the state party's platform that seeks to nullify the amendment created a century ago to shift election of U.S. senators from state legislatures to voters.

Supporters of the measure say making senators accountable to legislators instead of voters will restore the constitution's checks and balances.

I think we can conclude that the "militia" initiative is part of the broader wingnut movement.

34 brookly red  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 1:16:42pm

re: #31 ralphieboy

That's a bunch of WELL ORGANIZED really fat guys with guns slinking around the woods in camouflage, mister!!!

can you get pizza delivered to GPS coordinations ?

35 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 1:17:09pm

re: #34 brookly red

can you get pizza delivered to GPS coordinations ?

Hey, why not?

36 Fart Knocker  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 1:18:54pm

re: #35 SanFranciscoZionist

Hey, why not?

Abramoff's available.

37 Kragar  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 1:19:13pm

re: #31 ralphieboy

That's a bunch of WELL ORGANIZED really fat guys with guns slinking around the woods in camouflage, mister!!!

And call signs, dont forget the call signs!

"Roy..I mean Big Viking, where are you? over"
"I ain't over nuthin you idjit, I'm in the crick!"

38 What, me worry?  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 1:20:59pm

re: #27 Shiplord Kirel

This is not a crazy concept in and of itself. Texas has long had such a militia, the Texas State Guard. This is independent of the national armed forces, and not to be confused with the National Guard, which is subject to federal service.

This is not in any way equivalent to a private wingnut militia. Thanks to the survivalist wingnuts, the word "militia" has taken on some unfortunate connotations it did not originally have.

As I understand that first paragraph, the Texas Armed forces are made up of three parts. Two are National Guard and one is State Guard of which the governor is the commander in chief. It's not clear from this article if Idaho wants to follow the same model.

39 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 1:22:15pm

re: #36 rwdflynavy

Abramoff's available.


He's working at a kosher pizzarea. I somehow do not imagine that these guys would go for anything kosher...

40 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 1:22:31pm

re: #33 freetoken

Given that this same enclave:

I think we can conclude that the "militia" initiative is part of the broader wingnut movement.

Absolutely; there's nothing innocent about this militia idea. It's a far right proposal.

41 What, me worry?  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 1:23:28pm

re: #31 ralphieboy

That's a bunch of WELL ORGANIZED really fat guys with guns slinking around the woods in camouflage, mister!!!

Hey, I like fat guys! Well the PC word is "stocky", maybe rotund (I don't think men can be "rubenesque").

Of course, they can leave artillery at home, thank you very much.

42 Bubblehead II  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 1:23:45pm

re: #23 Lawrence Schmerel

Just imagine if Idaho fell into the hands of the enemy.

Well, lets see. Precious metals.. Silver and gold. They don't call us the Gem State for nothing.

Nuclear Research. The first Naval Nuclear Reactor was developed here, and they continue to do advanced research.

Plus we produce great Potatoes..... You have a problem with al the above?

43 brookly red  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 1:23:54pm

re: #40 Charles

Absolutely; there's nothing innocent about this militia idea. It's a far right proposal.

My in my this guess is it a protest to federal authority and not really much more.

44 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 1:23:59pm

re: #33 freetoken

Given that this same enclave:

I think we can conclude that the "militia" initiative is part of the broader wingnut movement.

Sure, it appears that this particular initiative is based on nutbaggery. My point was just that the idea of an independent, but official, state militia is not in and of itself crazy. With so many National Guard units deployed overseas these days, the Texas State Guard has been frequently called out for various emergencies in recent years.

45 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 1:24:24pm

re: #41 marjoriemoon

Hey, I like fat guys! Well the PC word is "stocky", maybe rotund (I don't think men can be "rubenesque").

"Big boned"

46 What, me worry?  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 1:24:35pm

re: #35 SanFranciscoZionist

Hey, why not?

Hey you! Haven't seen you around. We must be on different schedules as of late :( Miss you!

47 McSpiff  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 1:24:55pm

Assuming this comes to pass, and is outside of the normal National Command Authority, would these guys be able to purchase heavy arms from the usual sources, i.e lockheed martin, etc. Or do they only deal with the DoD?

48 Dante41  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 1:25:50pm

re: #42 Bubblehead II

Still, it's Idaho. There are more important things closer to where an enemy could get at them.

49 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 1:26:06pm

re: #42 Bubblehead II

My brother was amazed by how many great micro-brews he found in Boise bars.

50 wrenchwench  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 1:26:27pm

I just jaywalked in front of three cop cars, one of which was being driven by the Chief, who gave me a friendly wave. I'm a little embarrassed anyway.

/I shouldn't do that so close to the station donut shop.

51 McSpiff  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 1:27:51pm

re: #50 wrenchwench

I just jaywalked in front of three cop cars, one of which was being driven by the Chief, who gave me a friendly wave. I'm a little embarrassed anyway.

/I shouldn't do that so close to the station donut shop.

I was somewhat forced to cut off a cop car last night. Was an interesting experience.

52 What, me worry?  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 1:28:03pm

re: #45 Mad Al-Jaffee

"Big boned"

Ok Cartman.

53 Nimed  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 1:28:17pm

Argh. Portugal will play Spain in the Round of 16. I hate to see Iberians fighting each other.

54 brookly red  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 1:28:22pm

re: #48 Dante41

Still, it's Idaho. There are more important things closer to where an enemy could get at them.

/really? I don't want to think about what would happen to/in this country is there was an interruption in the french fry supply...

55 ReamWorks SKG  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 1:29:12pm

"Natural Born"? That opens up a whole can of worms for people who are born intersex, whether through AIS ( [Link: www.aissg.org...] ) or people born with XYY, XYY, or chimeric mosaics ( [Link: en.wikipedia.org...] )

56 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 1:29:13pm

re: #47 McSpiff

Assuming this comes to pass, and is outside of the normal National Command Authority, would these guys be able to purchase heavy arms from the usual sources, i.e lockheed martin, etc. Or do they only deal with the DoD?

They would have to have the same ATF exemptions and permits police forces require for controlled categories of weapons. They might be able to get machine guns but artillery and armed aircraft would be out of the question. The Texas State Guard does not have weapons other than civilian-legal small arms.

57 A Man for all Seasons  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 1:29:18pm

re: #54 brookly red

/really? I don't want to think about what would happen to/in this country is there was an interruption in the french fry supply...

Weight watchers would go out of business

58 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 1:29:34pm

re: #50 wrenchwench

I just jaywalked in front of three cop cars, one of which was being driven by the Chief, who gave me a friendly wave. I'm a little embarrassed anyway.

/I shouldn't do that so close to the station donut shop.

Thank God you don't look Hispanic.

59 teleskiguy  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 1:30:18pm

18 months into 0bama's presidency. Incredible. These idiots won't stop acting mad until something really bad happens.

60 darthstar  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 1:30:58pm

I'll bet those bastards are stockpiling potatoes, too.

61 freetoken  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 1:31:28pm

Don't know how many "Guy Mongan"s there are in ID, but I suspect it is safe to say the following is the same person:


I.F. to get vets clinic


The U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs is planning to build an outreach clinic in Idaho Falls. [...]

The clinic is a step in the right direction, said Guy Mongan, a local advocate for veterans' issues.

""They're going to give us the best they can, which is better than nothing,"" he said.

For the most part, according to Mongan and other veterans, health care offered through the VA is everything a health care system should be: cheap, reliable and competent.

But, but... the VA is government healthcare. How could it be "cheap, reliable and competent"???

Moreover:

Chartering ceremony set for military officers group

There will be a chartering ceremony and dinner meeting Oct. 1 for the Southeast Idaho chapter of the Military Officers Association of America. It will be at the Red Lion Hotel, 475 River Parkway in Idaho Falls. [...]

RSVP by Sept. 25 to: Guy Mongan, CW2, AUS (Ret.), Chapter President, P.O. Box 62, Arco, Idaho 83213 [...]

The Military Officers Association of America states that they have always been at the forefront to preserve entitlements and benefits earned by all military personnel, regardless of rank or pay grade, and whether they are on active duty, in the National Guard or Reserve or are retired. [...]


I have nothing against the MOAA or benefits for veterans, but they are a lobbying group for government benefits.

So, here we have Guy Mongan willingly encouraging the lobbying for federal government benefits... the same federal government from which he supposedly wants more independent.

62 Kragar  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 1:31:37pm

re: #59 teleskiguy

18 months into 0bama's presidency. Incredible. These idiots won't stop acting mad until something really bad happens.

They they'll blame Obama for it.

63 What, me worry?  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 1:31:47pm

re: #50 wrenchwench

I just jaywalked in front of three cop cars, one of which was being driven by the Chief, who gave me a friendly wave. I'm a little embarrassed anyway.

/I shouldn't do that so close to the station donut shop.

Since you mention it, I think Miami is the jaywalking capital of the world. People are just milling about the streets everywhere. I drive home on a 45mph, 5 lane road and every day, I see mothers with infants in strollers standing in the middle of the street. I don't get it.

Try to step off a curb in California and they pick you up in 3 seconds, but here? People are always getting run over. It's bad enough you have to dodge the horrible drivers, but pedestrians as well. Bah!

64 brookly red  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 1:32:20pm

re: #60 darthstar

I'll bet those bastards are stockpiling potatoes, too.

yup you get it... just wait. a french fry embargo could bring this country to it's knees.

65 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 1:32:57pm
In other GOP Convention news, A panel of GOP delegates at the state party’s convention passed a measure Friday to define marriage as a bond between a “naturally born” man and woman,

Hawaiians won't be able to marry in Idaho?

66 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 1:33:42pm

A completely unhinged rant from Breitbart's Big Journalism....
The Obama Omelette: Euthanasia, Abortion, Obamanomics… Death is Death
by Michael Moriarty

.... the Ultimate Solution for the powers-that-be within the Progressive Movement is death of one sort or another.

Either economic or biological death.

Obamanomics or abortion and euthanasia.

“The fundamental transformation of the United States of America” cannot possibly happen without … well … as they say … “breaking a few eggs”.

The Obama Omelet will, indeed, be served up!

When in doubt, eradicate your problem with murder.
....
Legalized murder has invincibly led us into legalized Obamanism and the Obama Nation of the “fundamental transformation” of Western Civilization!

Hitlerian, Stalinist and Maoist visions of grandeur are less then a few decades old, and we now assume that such extremes are not possible within our own government?!
...
When America herself legalizes homicidal intent toward her own gestating infants and her elderly, how do you expect the United States to defend herself before the similar intents of her Communist and radically Islamic enemies?

Now it gets weird.....

Dr. Strangelove, the 1964 movie, merely moved a character out of Hitler’s Third Reich into a decision-making role for the United States government policies

The Clinton Third Way and its profoundly serpentine defense of abortion as a solution to the problems of poverty made President Obama’s radical “transformation of the United States” inevitable and increasingly the concoction of Dr. Strangelove.

Until America begins to overturn the Roe v Wade decision legalizing abortion, God will allow the Obama Nation to do unto America what Americans have been freely doing unto their own gestating infants.

We must realize that there have been more chefs cooking in the Obama kitchen than we ever imagined, preparing the way for The One to serve up the Obama Omelet: broken shells, broken lives and an irreparably broken America.

"We must protect our precious bodily fluids from the fascists running the government!"

/Wingnuts have managed to become a parody of a parody. Amazing.

67 teleskiguy  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 1:34:01pm

re: #60 darthstar

I'll bet those bastards are stockpiling potatoes, too.

That reminds me of a Carlin skit about license plates. :D

68 darthstar  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 1:34:08pm

re: #65 Shiplord Kirel

Hawaiians won't be able to marry in Idaho?

Nah...it only excludes people born by c-section.

69 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 1:34:19pm

re: #60 darthstar

I'll bet those bastards are stockpiling potatoes, too.

From the looks of some of them, they would need to be buying a lot of spuds just to stay ahead of consumption.

70 brookly red  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 1:34:20pm

re: #65 Shiplord Kirel

Hawaiians won't be able to marry in Idaho?

/and why exactly would they want to?

71 freetoken  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 1:34:22pm

re: #65 Shiplord Kirel

Hawaiians won't be able to marry in Idaho?

I think they had in mind certain Thai boys...

72 ReamWorks SKG  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 1:34:56pm

re: #65 Shiplord Kirel

No Cesarean-section babies can get married!

73 Lidane  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 1:37:29pm

Forget the militia nonsense for a moment-- I'm still trying to wrap my head around why they want to repeal the 17th Amendment.

What the fuck? When did the popular election of Senators become an issue? I can't figure out why anyone would have a problem with this. Somebody with a Bad Crazy to English dictionary explain this to me. Why is the 17th Amendment so awful again?

74 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 1:37:37pm

I'm watching as liberals overwhelmingly line up to support Dave Weigel, which I guess isn't really surprising.

But it's more than a little weird. Because much of what Weigel believes is exactly counter to what liberals believe. He voted for Ron Paul, and he's been a very determined apologist for Rand Paul. Neither of those politicians are even remotely liberal -- they're extreme right wing pseudo-libertarians, with a strong bent towards theocracy.

How did Weigel become a hero of the left when he supports people like this?

75 lawhawk  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 1:38:26pm

re: #74 Charles

Someone crossed the streams. I blame Egon and Venkman.

76 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 1:38:49pm

Holy Fuckaroni......
Beck says race relations went astray "in the lead up to the Civil War," "before then we were moving on the right track"


My god, this can't continue. It just can't. This is just not possible.

77 ReamWorks SKG  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 1:39:19pm

re: #73 Lidane

I'm trying to figure that out, too. According to Wikipedia, only one state, Utah, rejected it, and 9 other states neither ratified nor rejected it.

78 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 1:40:18pm

re: #74 Charles

How did Weigel become a hero of the left when he supports people like this?


I suspect they just like him now for shitting on conservatives. They'll go back to hating him again next week.

79 darthstar  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 1:40:50pm

re: #75 lawhawk

Someone crossed the streams. I blame Egon and Venkman.

I blame Eve. If she hadn't eaten that damn apple, none of this would have happened.

80 brookly red  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 1:40:59pm

re: #73 Lidane

Forget the militia nonsense for a moment-- I'm still trying to wrap my head around why they want to repeal the 17th Amendment.

What the fuck? When did the popular election of Senators become an issue? I can't figure out why anyone would have a problem with this. Somebody with a Bad Crazy to English dictionary explain this to me. Why is the 17th Amendment so awful again?

/my Senator is Schemer... I kinda get where they are coming from :)

81 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 1:41:24pm

re: #65 Shiplord Kirel

Hawaiians won't be able to marry in Idaho?

Only if they became US citizens first.

82 Bubblehead II  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 1:41:28pm
Still, it's Idaho. There are more important things closer to where an enemy could get at them.

True, but the fact is, that a lot Naval (yes it is Idaho) research goes on here as well as Nevada (Top Gun). Some of our Northern lakes are perfect for Sonar tests. Mid to Northern Nevada are great for ariel combat simulation as well. as Mt. Home AFB located just south of Boise, Id.

83 Kragar  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 1:41:31pm

re: #76 Killgore Trout

Holy Fuckaroni...
Beck says race relations went astray "in the lead up to the Civil War," "before then we were moving on the right track"


My god, this can't continue. It just can't. This is just not possible.

Jesus fucking Christ on a rubber fucking crutch.

84 Eclectic Infidel  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 1:41:39pm

I think the next logical step for the wing nuts to take regarding what marriage is and is not, are laws that penalize couples for not procreating, and laws rewarding ones that do. I remember reading that in at least one state in the union, couples cohabitating outside of marriage can be penalized via local ordinance. I suspect that could be broadened to apply on a state wide level as well.

There's a inherent contradiction in all this too. Where is the less government? Where is the refraining from intruding on the lives of Americans? Last time I checked, gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgendered folk are also Americans who pay taxes, live, have families and even attend church.

I can't help but think that if Christianity in all its many flavors wasn't such an integral part in all this, would such measures even be considered by a state's political wing? Maybe so. Perhaps the prejudice would persist, but would it be so intrusive, so contradictory to a party that beats its chest over the concept of "less government."

85 ReamWorks SKG  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 1:42:19pm

re: #73 Lidane

It makes me long for the conservatives who wanted to repeal the 16th amendment.....

86 freetoken  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 1:42:20pm

re: #78 Killgore Trout

I suspect they just like him now for shitting on conservatives. They'll go back to hating him again next week.

Probably. Also, some might see Weigel's downfall as some sort of attack on the independence of the WP, or something like that.

I find it weird that Weigel took all the criticism so seriously. How can he take the likes of hate-mailers so seriously?

87 McSpiff  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 1:42:20pm

re: #56 Shiplord Kirel

They would have to have the same ATF exemptions and permits police forces require for controlled categories of weapons. They might be able to get machine guns but artillery and armed aircraft would be out of the question. The Texas State Guard does not have weapons other than civilian-legal small arms.

Answers like this are why I come to LGF. Clear, concise and correct. Makes complete sense too.

88 Bubblehead II  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 1:42:32pm

re: #49 Mad Al-Jaffee

We love our beer......... Even if it is Coora

89 brookly red  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 1:42:50pm

re: #76 Killgore Trout

Holy Fuckaroni...
Beck says race relations went astray "in the lead up to the Civil War," "before then we were moving on the right track"

My god, this can't continue. It just can't. This is just not possible.

well yes it can happen here...

90 freetoken  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 1:43:09pm

re: #73 Lidane

Forget the militia nonsense for a moment-- I'm still trying to wrap my head around why they want to repeal the 17th Amendment.

Democracy is a sin.

Next question?

91 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 1:43:10pm

re: #83 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Jesus fucking Christ on a rubber fucking crutch.

I really think we're getting close to critical mass of insanity. I really can't imagine this going on much longer.

92 Lidane  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 1:43:40pm

re: #80 brookly red

/my Senator is Schemer... I kinda get where they are coming from :)

My Senators are Hutchison and Cornyn. Trust me. I understand people bitching about the quality of Senator we're electing, although I find Kay somewhat tolerable at times.

That's still no reason to repeal a Constitutional amendment providing for the popular election of Senators.

93 freetoken  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 1:44:12pm

re: #76 Killgore Trout

Holy Fuckaroni...
Beck says race relations went astray "in the lead up to the Civil War," "before then we were moving on the right track"


It was that evil Abraham Lincoln that caused all the real problems.

94 Lidane  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 1:44:54pm

re: #93 freetoken

It was that evil Abraham Lincoln that caused all the real problems.

Ugh. I will never, ever get all that anti-Lincoln fuckery. It makes no sense.

95 darthstar  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 1:45:06pm

re: #93 freetoken

It was that evil Abraham Lincoln that caused all the real problems.

The party of Lincoln hates Lincoln? That's awkward.

96 freetoken  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 1:45:58pm

re: #94 Lidane

Ugh. I will never, ever get all that anti-Lincoln fuckery. It makes no sense.

BROWN PEOPLE!!

97 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 1:46:06pm

re: #4 The Curmudgeon

It could be misused (that's an understatement), but the concept itself isn't crazy. Jefferson described the Militia in Notes on Virginia. It consisted of all men (free men, one assumes) from 16 to 60 (this is from memory). It was organized by county, and subject to the Governor's call. Everyone had to supply his own weapons. Probably useful in case of Indian attacks.

The original concept was that the US would be defended by only the militias (which is real core concept behind the 2nd amendment) as their experiences with the British Army made them believe that a standing army could never be trusted.

The problem is that in both the Revolution and in the War of 1812, the Militia concept was proven to be a total failure. Afterwards, despite the fears of the founding fathers, a standing army was recognized as necessary. Much of the time it was a small cadre, but even that could take in raw recruits much more successfully than militias units in those cases (several small Indian wars as well as the American Civil War) where both were employed.

Today a militia would only be able to do is foment an insurgency which may well be what some of them have in mind...

William

98 ReamWorks SKG  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 1:48:07pm

re: #95 darthstar

When Disney rolled out the new animatronic Lincoln at "Great Moments With Mr. Lincoln" last year, I went to see the show with a wingnut (but otherwise cordial) friend of mine. It was embarrassing! He kept exclaiming: "BULLSHIT!" during the introduction about Lincoln and slavery, and tried to explain to me how the civil war had nothing to do with slavery, etc.

I reseated myself away from him.

99 Eclectic Infidel  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 1:48:28pm

Curious question:

could a state's national guard be used to put down a militia uprising?

100 Lidane  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 1:48:31pm

re: #96 freetoken

BROWN PEOPLE!!

OK, there's that. I've also had people trying to sell me that anarcho-capitalist, Mises Institute crap about how Lincoln was a tyrant who ran roughshod over American sovereignty and how he was the WORST. PREZNIT. EVAR. OMG.

It just makes no sense to me. At all.

101 Bubblehead II  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 1:48:58pm

BTW Charles. Are you going to get rid of that auto http:// in the links box? It is a pain in the ass to have to delete it before you paste a link in

102 Kragar  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 1:49:45pm

re: #101 Bubblehead II

BTW Charles. Are you going to get rid of that auto http:// in the links box? It is a pain in the ass to have to delete it before you paste a link in

You can just paste over it.

103 What, me worry?  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 1:50:01pm

re: #26 freetoken

Thing is, the "militia" part of the meeting isn't necessarily the weirdest to have come out of that conclave:

Well, that should settle that!

I saw that "naturally born" language in the Texas Republican charter a couple days ago. Interesting that.

So Chaz Bono, technically a man now, would not be able to marry a woman, even if he had a penis. If a penis doesn't make you a man, I'm not sure what qualifies.

104 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 1:50:11pm

re: #93 freetoken

It was that evil Abraham Lincoln that caused all the real problems.

He was a true RINO: Republican in the North Only

105 wrenchwench  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 1:51:20pm

re: #98 reuven

When Disney rolled out the new animatronic Lincoln at "Great Moments With Mr. Lincoln" last year, I went to see the show with a wingnut (but otherwise cordial) friend of mine. It was embarrassing! He kept exclaiming: "BULLSHIT!" during the introduction about Lincoln and slavery, and tried to explain to me how the civil war had nothing to do with slavery, etc.

I reseated myself away from him.

That's perfect wingnut behavior, yelling at the Animatronic Lincoln.

/When I was a kid, I ripped a sheet of paper as he was sitting down at the end of his speech, so it would sound like he tore his pants.

106 brookly red  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 1:51:52pm

OK we are past the 100 mark... it seems Iran has canceled it's Gaza blockade running effort.

107 Gus  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 1:52:22pm

Hot out.

So, the Texas State GOP Platform indicate a desire to create a state militia. I guess this is so they can have their own state army for when they secede and declare war on the United States.

108 albusteve  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 1:52:41pm

re: #76 Killgore Trout

Holy Fuckaroni...
Beck says race relations went astray "in the lead up to the Civil War," "before then we were moving on the right track"

My god, this can't continue. It just can't. This is just not possible.

yes it is...I keep telling you it's gonna get worse, there is all kinds of stuff yet to tap

109 What, me worry?  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 1:52:47pm

re: #74 Charles

I'm watching as liberals overwhelmingly line up to support Dave Weigel, which I guess isn't really surprising.

But it's more than a little weird. Because much of what Weigel believes is exactly counter to what liberals believe. He voted for Ron Paul, and he's been a very determined apologist for Rand Paul. Neither of those politicians are even remotely liberal -- they're extreme right wing pseudo-libertarians, with a strong bent towards theocracy.

How did Weigel become a hero of the left when he supports people like this?

I'm embarrassed, but I don't know who he is!

110 Dante41  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 1:53:46pm

re: #107 Gus 802

Hot out.

So, the Texas State GOP Platform indicate a desire to create a state militia. I guess this is so they can have their own state army for when they secede and declare war on the United States.

No. It is so they have a way of putting down the civil war that would ignite within the state if they tried to secede.

111 albusteve  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 1:54:10pm

re: #56 Shiplord Kirel

They would have to have the same ATF exemptions and permits police forces require for controlled categories of weapons. They might be able to get machine guns but artillery and armed aircraft would be out of the question. The Texas State Guard does not have weapons other than civilian-legal small arms.

what ever happened to the Confederate Air Force?

112 b_sharp  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 1:54:47pm

re: #73 Lidane

Forget the militia nonsense for a moment-- I'm still trying to wrap my head around why they want to repeal the 17th Amendment.

What the fuck? When did the popular election of Senators become an issue? I can't figure out why anyone would have a problem with this. Somebody with a Bad Crazy to English dictionary explain this to me. Why is the 17th Amendment so awful again?

I had a Bad Crazy to English dictionary once, but it self immolated first time I opened it up. I later found out it was cursed.

113 Dante41  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 1:55:07pm

re: #111 albusteve

what ever happened to the Confederate Air Force?

They got renamed the Commemorative Air Force. Still do airshows, I think.

114 What, me worry?  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 1:55:12pm

re: #84 eclectic infidel

Oh come on. You know that the rightwing only wants less government when it doesn't involve sex or religion. Then, more is better.

115 brookly red  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 1:55:23pm

re: #103 marjoriemoon

I saw that "naturally born" language in the Texas Republican charter a couple days ago. Interesting that.

So Chaz Bono, technically a man now, would not be able to marry a woman, even if he had a penis. If a penis doesn't make you a man, I'm not sure what qualifies.

/well one still needs to be insensitive & pig-headed too :)

116 Taqyia2Me  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 1:55:33pm

re: #14 SanFranciscoZionist

Given that in the brevity of the Second Amendment, the drafters took the trouble to include the words 'well-organized'...I think that's significant.

Well-organized.

My read is:
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

IMHO - well regulated is more powerful than well organized on your context/point....

117 Eclectic Infidel  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 1:55:38pm

How many armed organizations does Texas actually have?

118 albusteve  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 1:56:11pm
119 Eclectic Infidel  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 1:56:21pm

re: #114 marjoriemoon

Oh come on. You know that the rightwing only wants less government when it doesn't involve sex or religion. Then, more is better.

Yeah, my bad.

120 McSpiff  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 1:56:44pm

re: #117 eclectic infidel

How many armed organizations does Texas actually have?

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...] personal favorite. More law enforcement though.

121 ReamWorks SKG  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 1:56:53pm

BTW: Here's an interesting example of how the GOP has changed. Before Obama, Senator Orrin Hatch had proposed this:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

It proposes to allow non-US born citizens to run for president. In its day, it was known as the "Arnold Amendment."

122 McSpiff  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 1:57:20pm

re: #118 albusteve


Uhh steve? You ok buddy?

123 abolitionist  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 1:57:40pm

re: #111 albusteve

what ever happened to the Confederate Air Force?

The kite string broke because the cotton wasn't processed uniformly?

124 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 1:57:57pm

re: #3 Bubblehead II

Dude, what happened with that dog story? I've been missing your presence every time you were here.

125 Nimed  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 1:58:14pm

re: #74 Charles

I'm watching as liberals overwhelmingly line up to support Dave Weigel, which I guess isn't really surprising.

But it's more than a little weird. Because much of what Weigel believes is exactly counter to what liberals believe. He voted for Ron Paul, and he's been a very determined apologist for Rand Paul. Neither of those politicians are even remotely liberal -- they're extreme right wing pseudo-libertarians, with a strong bent towards theocracy.

How did Weigel become a hero of the left when he supports people like this?

I think there are 2 answers for that:

1- What Killgore Trout said. The Daily Caller article has Weigel saying pretty nasty stuff about Palin, Drudge, Limbaugh, O'Keefe, etc. He frequently referred to some conservatives/Republicans as "ratfuckers". He also wrote stuff like "“I think pointing out Coakley’s awfulness is vital, because it’s 1) true and 2) unreasonable panic about it is doing more damage to the Democrats”.

2- The "cocktail party" argument. Some liberal bloggers are Weigel pals in Washington (Ezra Klein, Matt Yglesias), others have cordial relations with him (Brad DeLong, Robert Wright, among others).

126 brookly red  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 1:58:29pm

re: #121 reuven

BTW: Here's an interesting example of how the GOP has changed. Before Obama, Senator Orrin Hatch had proposed this:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

It proposes to allow non-US born citizens to run for president. In its day, it was known as the "Arnold Amendment."

/I saw that movie too...

127 Boogberg  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 1:59:12pm

re: #27 Shiplord Kirel

This is not a crazy concept in and of itself. Texas has long had such a militia, the Texas State Guard. This is independent of the national armed forces, and not to be confused with the National Guard, which is subject to federal service.

This is not in any way equivalent to a private wingnut militia. Thanks to the survivalist wingnuts, the word "militia" has taken on some unfortunate connotations it did not originally have.

I like that description.

128 albusteve  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 1:59:19pm

re: #113 Dante41

They got renamed the Commemorative Air Force. Still do airshows, I think.

I'm gonna visit them before the Uprising...I love that stuff

129 brookly red  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 1:59:37pm

re: #117 eclectic infidel

How many armed organizations does Texas actually have?

not enuff...

130 Gus  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 1:59:48pm

re: #110 Dante41

No. It is so they have a way of putting down the civil war that would ignite within the state if they tried to secede.

Could be that too.

Anywho, they're weird. Humans are strange. I just had some guy wave an axe at me on my way out of my garage. Some strung out Boulderite type.

131 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 2:00:15pm

re: #117 eclectic infidel

How many armed organizations does Texas actually have?

Don't forget Davy Crockett and his Tennessee volunteers...

132 brookly red  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 2:00:41pm

re: #130 Gus 802

Could be that too.

Anywho, they're weird. Humans are strange. I just had some guy wave an axe at me on my way out of my garage. Some strung out Boulderite type.

/an old viking fertility blessing...

133 wrenchwench  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 2:00:52pm

re: #125 Nimed

2- The "cocktail party" argument. Some liberal bloggers are Weigel pals in Washington (Ezra Klein, Matt Yglesias), others have cordial relations with him (Brad DeLong, Robert Wright, among others).

That one cuts both ways. I have seen the photo of Weigel at an actual cocktail party with RS McCain, among others.

134 Gus  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 2:01:42pm

re: #132 brookly red

/an old viking fertility blessing...

Yeah, I didn't stick around to find out. As usual in these cases, it was a neighbor. So many lowlifes so little time.

135 albusteve  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 2:02:09pm

re: #122 McSpiff

Uhh steve? You ok buddy?

was just messing around...I like Lizardzillare: #131 ralphieboy

Don't forget Davy Crockett and his Tennessee volunteers...

hey!...off limits, don't insult Crockett

136 b_sharp  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 2:02:25pm

re: #103 marjoriemoon

I saw that "naturally born" language in the Texas Republican charter a couple days ago. Interesting that.

So Chaz Bono, technically a man now, would not be able to marry a woman, even if he had a penis. If a penis doesn't make you a man, I'm not sure what qualifies.

But he would be able to marry a man. An inadvertent gay marriage?

137 Nimed  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 2:02:26pm

The Palins, Pauls, Levins and Ericksons of the world are successful because they tap into a very real sense of hopelessness and frustration with Washington politicians and "insiders" in general.

138 albusteve  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 2:03:18pm

re: #135 albusteve

my post fu sucks

139 McSpiff  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 2:03:21pm

re: #135 albusteve

Wicked.

140 Kragar  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 2:03:53pm

re: #136 b_sharp

But he would be able to marry a man. An inadvertent gay marriage?

Now what if it was a man who became a woman?

141 Boogberg  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 2:03:58pm

Goldman is way up today. Yeah baby! :D

142 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 2:04:39pm

re: #135 albusteve

hey!...off limits, don't insult Crockett

or Tubbs

143 webevintage  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 2:05:11pm

re: #74 Charles


How did Weigel become a hero of the left when he supports people like this?


When he got fired from the WAPO.
And he's not really considered a "villiger" so that might have something to do with it.
I don't know, but he seemed like a reasonable sort of fellow when you compare him to some of the other writers at Wapo.
Like say Dana Millbank...

144 Ming  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 2:05:16pm

To the right wing, spending government money on cleaning up an oil spill is pure evil. Yep, they read Atlas Shrugged, and they know there is no gray, only black and white. But spending government money to persecute transsexuals... now that's just good old American goodness! You betcha!

Seems like the left goes crazy about Israel, and the right goes crazy about a whole lot of things. These are scary times.

145 brookly red  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 2:05:39pm

re: #137 Nimed

The Palins, Pauls, Levins and Ericksons of the world are successful because they tap into a very real sense of hopelessness and frustration with Washington politicians and "insiders" in general.

/hopelessness and frustration bumper stickers only 5 bucks each!

146 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 2:05:53pm

re: #27 Shiplord Kirel

This is not a crazy concept in and of itself. Texas has long had such a militia, the Texas State Guard. This is independent of the national armed forces, and not to be confused with the National Guard, which is subject to federal service.

This is not in any way equivalent to a private wingnut militia. Thanks to the survivalist wingnuts, the word "militia" has taken on some unfortunate connotations it did not originally have.

Just for accuracy. I want to back you on this. Most states have provision for a militia (self-defense force), other than the federalizable National Guard, that reports to the governor. There might be an ideological red flag in this case, but the idea itself is not that weird. I wouldn't think much of it if this was coming from Ohio.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

147 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 2:06:46pm

re: #76 Killgore Trout

Holy Fuckaroni...
Beck says race relations went astray "in the lead up to the Civil War," "before then we were moving on the right track"

My god, this can't continue. It just can't. This is just not possible.

I've posted a new page with some important background information on this kind of thinking.

148 albusteve  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 2:07:43pm

re: #137 Nimed

The Palins, Pauls, Levins and Ericksons of the world are successful because they tap into a very real sense of hopelessness and frustration with Washington politicians and "insiders" in general.

they are successful in large part because nobody speaks against them....the left, by not challenging this stuff is obliquely inspiring more of it...politics before country, I always say

149 Nimed  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 2:09:41pm

re: #133 wrenchwench

That one cuts both ways. I have seen the photo of Weigel at an actual cocktail party with RS McCain, among others.

Right, but my impression is that RS McCain does not move in the same circles. I think Yglesias, Klein, Weigel, Julian Sanchez, McArdle, Friedersdorf, Suderman, are sort of considered the next generation of villagers.

150 What, me worry?  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 2:10:25pm

re: #136 b_sharp

But he would be able to marry a man. An inadvertent gay marriage?

Interesting... I hadn't thought of that. Since he was "naturally born" a woman, then he would be able to marry a man after a sex change.

Except that he says that he isn't gay, nor was he ever gay, he just was born the wrong sex. I knew a woman like this. I mentioned it here before. Man changed to woman and then was a lesbian.

Some days, maybe the most you can hope for is to be comfortable in your own gender.

151 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 2:10:58pm

re: #68 darthstar

Nah...it only excludes people born by c-section.

"MacDuff was from his mither's womb untimely ripped, what do you think about that, eh, Jimmy?"

"Och! That's bloody disgusting!"

152 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 2:12:00pm

re: #76 Killgore Trout

Holy Fuckaroni...
Beck says race relations went astray "in the lead up to the Civil War," "before then we were moving on the right track"

My god, this can't continue. It just can't. This is just not possible.

Race relations went astray IN THE LEAD UP TO THE CIVIL WAR? Before that we were doing OK?

I'm laughing too hard to really get nauseated yet.

153 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 2:12:01pm

re: #150 marjoriemoon

I'm usually happy to be comfortable in my own shoes.

154 Bubblehead II  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 2:12:20pm

re: #124 Cato the Elder

Dude, what happened with that dog story? I've been missing your presence every time you were here.

Unknown as far as owner go.

Last I heard he took the dog to the shelter/pound and declared it a vicious animal and once it was past the 10 day quarantine period, it was put down.

Bite marks are gone though.

155 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 2:12:31pm

re: #111 albusteve

what ever happened to the Confederate Air Force?

They surrendered at Appomattox Court House.
Oh, wait, that was the Confederate ARMY.

The Confederate Air Force renamed itself the Commemorative Air Force a few years ago and is still very much in business from their headquarters in Midland Texas. Yours truly is a member, btw.

156 Eclectic Infidel  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 2:13:22pm

re: #152 SanFranciscoZionist

Race relations went astray IN THE LEAD UP TO THE CIVIL WAR? Before that we were doing OK?

I'm laughing too hard to really get nauseated yet.

Laughter may very well be the best medicine when attempting to digest Beck.

157 brookly red  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 2:14:01pm

re: #150 marjoriemoon

Interesting... I hadn't thought of that. Since he was "naturally born" a woman, then he would be able to marry a man after a sex change.

Except that he says that he isn't gay, nor was he ever gay, he just was born the wrong sex. I knew a woman like this. I mentioned it here before. Man changed to woman and then was a lesbian.

Some days, maybe the most you can hope for is to be comfortable in your own gender.

nawww I am an old fashion guy... I want to be comfortably in the other gender.

158 albusteve  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 2:15:04pm

re: #155 Shiplord Kirel

They surrendered at Appomattox Court House.
Oh, wait, that was the Confederate ARMY.

The Confederate Air Force renamed itself the Commemorative Air Force a few years ago and is still very much in business from their headquarters in Midland Texas. Yours truly is a member, btw.

cool bro, thanks for the link...it'd be a three day trip from ABQ, but I'll mix it with other things so I have time for you to buy me a Lone Star

159 Gus  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 2:15:25pm

re: #156 eclectic infidel

Laughter Pepto Bismol may very well be the best medicine when attempting to digest Beck.

FTFY

160 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 2:20:14pm

re: #103 marjoriemoon

I saw that "naturally born" language in the Texas Republican charter a couple days ago. Interesting that.

So Chaz Bono, technically a man now, would not be able to marry a woman, even if he had a penis. If a penis doesn't make you a man, I'm not sure what qualifies.


Lady Soul:
[Link: www.google.com...]

161 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 2:20:57pm

re: #94 Lidane

Ugh. I will never, ever get all that anti-Lincoln fuckery. It makes no sense.

It makes perfect sense in an awful sort of way. Lincoln's presidency established a lasting control of the Union over its component states. There's a rising element now that hates the federal government on general principles. Add in the issue of slavery, which appears to be dinging alarm bells with people who hate the very idea of the government doing anything to help the poor or the nonwhite, and you have a potent head of steam against Abraham Lincoln.

As far as I'm concerned, this is a good thing, because anyone who's far enough gone in this crap to turn on Lincoln has clearly indicated to me that they are potentially treasonous scum, and thereby made it easy for me to identify them.

162 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 2:21:18pm

re: #96 freetoken

BROWN PEOPLE!!

That's more concise than what I said.

163 webevintage  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 2:21:23pm

From Sully (posting a post from Conor Friedersdorf) on Weigel:

"Firing Dave Weigel incentivizes more digging into the personal opinions of journalists, and validates the idea that they should be judged on the basis of those opinions, rather than the content of their work. What's next? E-mails sent to a few people and leaked? Opinions offered at a bar over beers and surreptitiously recorded? Can I reiterate how glad I am to have moved away from Washington DC? (You should hear what I say about De Beers in private!)"
[Link: andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com...]

And Ezra Klein is shutting down the listserve because in the end you can't trust anyone anymore to behave with any honor:
"In any case, Journolist is done now. I'll delete the group soon after this post goes live. That's not because Journolist was a bad idea, or anyone on it did anything wrong. It was a wonderful, chaotic, educational discussion. I'm proud of having started it, grateful to have participated in it, and I have no doubt that someone else will reform it, with many of the same members, and keep it going. Hopefully, it will lose some of its mystique in the process, and be understood more for what it is: One of many e-mail lists where people talk about things they're interested in. But insofar as the current version of Journolist has seen its archives become a weapon, and insofar as people's careers are now at stake, it has to die. ".
[Link: voices.washingtonpost.com...]

I still think the whole thing is about Weigel not kowtowing to Palin in her tiff with Joe McGinnuss. He put a bullseye on his back.

164 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 2:22:40pm

re: #103 marjoriemoon

I saw that "naturally born" language in the Texas Republican charter a couple days ago. Interesting that.

So Chaz Bono, technically a man now, would not be able to marry a woman, even if he had a penis. If a penis doesn't make you a man, I'm not sure what qualifies.

Iran recognizes the transgendered under their new genders. I think that being more hardcore traditionalist than Iran about gender roles is a poor idea.

165 Lidane  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 2:24:10pm

re: #156 eclectic infidel

Whiskey may very well be the best medicine when attempting to digest Beck.

Fixing Gus 802's fix. Forget Pepto. You need booze to get through anything Beck says without wanting to cry.

166 What, me worry?  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 2:24:32pm

re: #157 brookly red

nawww I am an old fashion guy... I want to be comfortably in the other gender.

ROFL I had a Kiowa friend. When I met him he said, "Do you have any Indian in you?" I said no. He said, "Would you like some?"

Old joke I think but I fell for it.

167 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 2:25:09pm

So.

Since just anybody can form a militia in this country, I'm starting one of my own. You heard it here first.

It shall be called the "Anti-Racist, Anti-Hater, Anti-Pam Geller Militia, Maryland Division, 101st Fighting Baltimore Brigade".

Any joiners?

168 What, me worry?  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 2:25:42pm

re: #164 SanFranciscoZionist

Iran recognizes the transgendered under their new genders. I think that being more hardcore traditionalist than Iran about gender roles is a poor idea.

For real? Under Mahmood they do? Well I guess they'd have to be hetero then.

169 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 2:26:31pm

re: #111 albusteve

what ever happened to the Confederate Air Force?

Dunno, but in a rather charming alternate-history novel called The Wild Blue and the Gray, , they went to the defense of France during the First World War to repay England for support during the War of Northern Aggression.

Oh, did you mean in real life?

Well, in another charming piece of alternate-history fiction called "Quit Zoomin' Those Hands Through The Air", General Grant got a hold of the Wright Brothers' plane...

170 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 2:27:20pm

re: #116 Taqyia2Me

My read is:
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

IMHO - well regulated is more powerful than well organized on your context/point...

Thanks, I don't know where I got 'organized' from. Need more coffee.

171 avanti  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 2:27:50pm

re: #165 Lidane

Fixing Gus 802's fix. Forget Pepto. You need booze to get through anything Beck says without wanting to cry.

No one was making a fuss about all the happy slaves in the cotton fields until Lincoln raised a fuss, up until then, everything was just peachy, especially with the slave owners./

172 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 2:27:59pm

re: #117 eclectic infidel

How many armed organizations does Texas actually have?

Including or excluding ladies' auxiliary church groups?

173 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 2:31:03pm

re: #167 Cato the Elder

So.

Since just anybody can form a militia in this country, I'm starting one of my own. You heard it here first.

It shall be called the "Anti-Racist, Anti-Hater, Anti-Pam Geller Militia, Maryland Division, 101st Fighting Baltimore Brigade".

Any joiners?

Do you have to live in Baltimore? I mean, if you called me up, it could take a while for me to get there.

174 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 2:31:42pm

re: #168 marjoriemoon

For real? Under Mahmood they do? Well I guess they'd have to be hetero then.

They do, but if a guy becomes a woman, in Iran he can marry a guy. Seems odd to me too, but apparently it makes sense to them.

175 Eclectic Infidel  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 2:32:03pm

re: #159 Gus 802

FTFY

You're too kind Gus. Thanks.

176 Eclectic Infidel  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 2:33:38pm

re: #172 SanFranciscoZionist

Including or excluding ladies' auxiliary church groups?

Let's include the ladies for giggles.

177 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 2:45:11pm

re: #176 eclectic infidel

Let's include the ladies for giggles.

They can run the mimeograph.

178 Fenris  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 3:16:17pm

The "natural born" text is also in the Texas GOP 2010 platform.

Wait, doesn't that prove my crackpot theory that The Onion has a seer on staff?

179 ReamWorks SKG  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 3:21:50pm

re: #178 fenrisdesigns

That Onion story is only _barely_ a parody!

180 ReamWorks SKG  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 3:22:57pm

re: #170 SanFranciscoZionist

Just go to Wikipedia and edit it to say "organized." Problem solved!

181 Romantic Heretic  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 6:04:52pm

re: #155 Shiplord Kirel

They surrendered at Appomattox Court House.
Oh, wait, that was the Confederate ARMY.

The Confederate Air Force renamed itself the Commemorative Air Force a few years ago and is still very much in business from their headquarters in Midland Texas. Yours truly is a member, btw.

Very cool. One of the coolest moments of my life was sitting in my office on the 25th floor of an office building watching the CAF and the Canadian Warplane Heritage do a fly past in Downtown Toronto.

Among the more interesting planes in it were a P38 Lightning, which I'd never seen live before and an Avro Lancaster.

182 Palefrei  Fri, Jun 25, 2010 10:48:49pm

Just returned home from Ohio "Militia" duty today and this was one of the first articles I read...

I'm an officer in the Ohio Organized Militia, aka "Ohio Military Reserve". (See [Link: ohmr.ohio.gov...] . Also see [Link: en.wikipedia.org...] for more information. I don't believe that Idaho can form any sort of militia that isn't ordered as a "State Defence Force" as per [Link: en.wikipedia.org...] and see [Link: www.law.cornell.edu...]

(note: I am not a spokesperson, and this is just written IMHO).

I"m also a former US Air Force Member (10 years before an injury that disqualified me for Federal service). Most of the OHMR members are also prior federal service. Those who aren't go through a State version of Basic Training. Many of those in my unit who aren't prior service are in their civilian life EMTs, Law Enforcement Officers, RNs and other upstanding, pillar-of-the-community types.

We serve without pay most of the time, providing even our our uniforms and gear. True Volunteers.

As I explained to a curious man at the gas station where I filled up my tank on my trip home today. "We are organized like the US Army in rank and procedures, except that we don't train for combat. We are under control of the Governor of the state and cannot be federalized or sent outside of the state. We serve the state of Ohio and are trained for support functions for civilian and state organizations"

"The Ohio Military Reserve is a component of the Ohio Adjutant General's Department and serves under the governor as commander in chief. Its primary mission is to provide a fully-manned and mission-ready civil support and sustainment brigade to support the state's Emergency Support Function 6 (mass care) and Emergency Support Function 7 (logistics and resource support) during natural or man-made disasters or other threats to homeland security. In order to accomplish this mission, OHMR units are trained in medical support, volunteer reception and management, shelter management and logistics support in addition to basic soldier skills. Our core competencies are training to National Incident Management System (NIMS), Military Emergency Management Specialist (MEMS), and Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) standards."

I think you could sum us up as "Volunteers that follow orders", unlike civilian volunteers (and thank God for them) who come and go with some unpredictability and the concerns for planning that go along with that.

So in summary... there are many crazy ideas from the right these days. A State Militia is not in and of itself, one of them.

183 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 11:55:50am

re: #182 Palefrei

So in summary... there are many crazy ideas from the right these days. A State Militia is not in and of itself, one of them.

No, in and of itself, it's not necessarily a crazy idea. But combined with the other insane points on the Idaho GOP convention's agenda, it's pretty clear that this isn't the same kind of militia you're talking about.

184 ClaudeMonet  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 2:22:53pm

re: #67 teleskiguy

That reminds me of a Carlin skit about license plates. :D


[Video]

Great stuff, thanks for the clip.

Back in college in 1976, one of my crowd was from New Hampshire and had "Live Free Or Die" on his license plate. We used his car for a gag photo for the school newspaper, and because our bunch was composed of We-don't-really-like-Ford-but-Carter's-a-weak-kneed-wuss Ford supporters, the school administration said the license plate's use of that particular state motto was a political endorsement and had to be edited out.

So we did that. Then we got a bunch of bumper stickers from my friend's father and wallpapered the door to the President's office with them.

185 ClaudeMonet  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 2:32:26pm

re: #155 Shiplord Kirel

They surrendered at Appomattox Court House.
Oh, wait, that was the Confederate ARMY.

The Confederate Air Force renamed itself the Commemorative Air Force a few years ago and is still very much in business from their headquarters in Midland Texas. Yours truly is a member, btw.

I went to one of their shows (combined with a sunset launch of about 50 hot air balloons) almost 30 years ago. Until you see them up close, you don't know how big and how loud some of those planes are. Not the B-17s and B-24s--I already knew they were huge and incredibly loud--but planes like the TBG/TBM, Corsair, etc.

186 ClaudeMonet  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 2:35:19pm

re: #176 eclectic infidel

Let's include the ladies for giggles.

Someone has to do the cookin' and cleanin' fer the menfolk.

187 ClaudeMonet  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 2:42:48pm

re: #182 Palefrei

Are you authorized to shoot (a) do-gooders who are getting in the way and doing way more harm than good, and (b) bureaucrats and other turf warriors?

If not, let's you and I as Ohio residents start a movement to amend the Ohio Constitution to authorize it. "The ability of trained volunteers and other emergency personnel being more valuable than the lives of a-holes who are just getting in the f***ing way in their vain attempts to secure individual self-importance, and the ability of said personnel to remain calm in the face of danger to themselves during and in the aftermath of disaster being enhanced by the ability to eliminate douchebaggery,..."


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