An Open Letter to American Spectator

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For the record, because I half expect the American Spectator to ignore it, here’s the email I just wrote to the editor:

Dear Editor,

As you may or may not be aware, one of your contributors, Robert Stacy McCain, posted several comments on Twitter today, referring to Mexicans as “beaners,” British people as “faggots,” and Germans as “Kraut swine.” Do you have any comment on this? Is this the kind of image you want your publication to present?

The details are in this post, quoting directly from Mr. McCain’s Twitter feed:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

I’ll be happy to post your response at my blog. Looking forward to hearing from you.

Regards,

Charles Johnson
littlegreenfootballs.com

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615 comments

1 freetoken  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 5:58:01pm

So, what's the over/under on American Spectator responding?

2 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 6:00:40pm

CHUCKLES IS ONLY ATTACKING ROBERT STACY MCCAIN BECAUSE HE'S A GAY MUSLIM LOVER!!111

/Stalker Blog

3 rieux  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 6:05:16pm

Well done. I'm looking forward to what they have to say in response, if anything.

4 Ben G. Hazi  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 6:10:13pm

re: #2 Dark_Falcon

CHUCKLES IS ONLY ATTACKING ROBERT STACY MCCAIN BECAUSE HE'S A GAY MUSLIM LOVER!!111

/Stalker Blog

In regards to the the stalkers, truth is often stranger than fiction...and this sounds right up their alley (so to speak).

5 Gus  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 6:11:50pm

Thought you might like to see this. Nothing too big.

6 Ben G. Hazi  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 6:13:53pm

re: #5 Gus 802

Thought you might like to see this. Nothing too big.

Well, shiver me timbers...

/arrrrr

7 lostlakehiker  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 6:14:51pm

re: #1 freetoken

So, what's the over/under on American Spectator responding?

90% they don't. It's reckless to give higher odds than that on questions that can actually break one way or the other.

8 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 6:15:29pm

What McCain posted on Twitter is far, far worse than the private emails that got Dave Weigel fired.

9 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 6:15:42pm

re: #5 Gus 802

Thought you might like to see this. Nothing too big.

Little Green Footballs: The blog that's so irrelevant the New York Times keeps tabs on it.

/must I?

10 researchok  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 6:17:42pm

The AS will respond in the same way McCarthy responded to the 'Have you no shame?' query.

11 researchok  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 6:18:21pm

re: #2 Dark_Falcon

CHUCKLES IS ONLY ATTACKING ROBERT STACY MCCAIN BECAUSE HE'S A GAY MUSLIM LOVER!!111

/Stalker Blog

A puddle of brilliance.

//

12 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 6:18:25pm

RSM sez...

And I'm that much closer to winning my $20 bet with @DaveWeigel that I could change the top subject in the blogosphere.

"I meant to do that"

13 Gus  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 6:19:02pm

re: #9 Dark_Falcon

Little Green Footballs: The blog that's so irrelevant the New York Times keeps tabs on it.

/must I?

Right.

Here's the link. It's still up:

[Link: topics.nytimes.com...]

14 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 6:19:27pm

re: #12 Killgore Trout

RSM sez...

"I meant to do that"

He's running scared. He knows he went over the line.

15 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 6:19:44pm

OT: Fox local affiliate captures "other" reporters comments on SP speech:

[Link: www.fox40.com...]

Video:
[Link: www.eyeblast.tv...]

16 freetoken  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 6:20:48pm

re: #15 Decatur Deb

Yup. Ice put up a Pages entry on it. I think it is hilarious.

17 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 6:22:06pm

re: #16 freetoken

Yup. Ice put up a Pages entry on it. I think it is hilarious.

Foiled Again!!!

18 ClaudeMonet  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 6:22:31pm

Good work, Charles! That's a great way to fight back!

19 Gus  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 6:23:14pm

re: #16 freetoken

Yup. Ice put up a Pages entry on it. I think it is hilarious.

Sarah Palin: Deep Random Thoughts

/Did she make a statement?

Being that it's a Fox affiliate makes it extra special.

20 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 6:23:47pm

re: #14 Charles

He's running scared. He knows he went over the line.

I'm sure he's pretty nervous. It might turn out bad for him but the Right is very lazy about vetting their associations these days so I'm doubtful that anyone on the right will care.

21 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 6:23:54pm

From RSMcCains latest AS post

'One of the reasons why there are so few conservatives in America's newsrooms is because the profession of journalism is relentlessly derided by those who claim to speak for the conservative cause. '

He claims to speak for "the conservative cause?"
GAH!
HINT!
Racism is not a conservative value.

22 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 6:24:12pm

re: #19 Gus 802

Sarah Palin: Deep Random Thoughts

/Did she make a statement?

Being that it's a Fox affiliate makes it extra special.

Even Fox employees know she's a moron.

23 researchok  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 6:24:42pm

re: #20 Killgore Trout

I'm sure he's pretty nervous. It might turn out bad for him but the Right is very lazy about vetting their associations these days so I'm doubtful that anyone on the right will care.

They believe repudiating him will reflect poorly on them.

Idiots.

24 Kewalo  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 6:26:51pm

Good work! I wonder what the odds would be that they will answer you.

25 ClaudeMonet  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 6:27:35pm

re: #23 researchok

They believe repudiating him will reflect poorly on them.

Idiots.

They're so afraid of alienating someone that they become irrelevant to everyone.

26 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 6:27:45pm

re: #23 researchok

They believe repudiating him will reflect poorly on them.

Idiots.

They're also afraid that their base will call them "RINOs!!1".

27 HappyWarrior  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 6:27:58pm

I don't know if they fire him or not but it's gonna be interesting considering that many on the right called for Dave Weigel's head in the past week.

28 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 6:29:16pm

re: #27 HappyWarrior

I don't know if they fire him or not but it's gonna be interesting considering that many on the right called for Dave Weigel's head in the past week.

Yeah, it should be interesting. There's a decent amount of twitter traffic about it. People are noticing.

29 Ben G. Hazi  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 6:29:34pm

re: #12 Killgore Trout

RSM sez...

"I meant to do that"

re: #14 Charles

He's running scared. He knows he went over the line.

And he's still full of shit...

30 lostlakehiker  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 6:31:56pm

re: #22 Charles

Even Fox employees know she's a moron.

Quite likely. But the voices on that tape are not those of Fox employees.

31 b_Snark  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 6:33:14pm

re: #26 Dark_Falcon

They're also afraid that their base will call them "RINOs!!1".

When I was at FR, there was a lot of peeking under kilts checking for true Scotmen and accusations of RINOhood. Once I got past the ROTFLMAO, it made me curious, is there such a thing as a DINO, and if not, why not?

32 zora  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 6:33:26pm

re: #12 Killgore Trout

i've heard better lies from 12 yr olds? first, someone on tv said it. so it must be ok. b... b... but, i just did it because i wanted to make this guy mad who had already hurt my feelings. (that's you, charles). and finally, it was all a bet. now that that i have won, i can let the rest of you in on it.

now his only hope is to say "acorn did it!". they hacked his account and he's just as upset as all decent americans.

33 researchok  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 6:33:31pm

re: #27 HappyWarrior

I don't know if they fire him or not but it's gonna be interesting considering that many on the right called for Dave Weigel's head in the past week.

They won't can him and they won't even dress him down.

For them to do that is to have to admit an icon is flawed and they were wrong. If they call him out they will be asked why it took so long.

RSM is a lot like Hamas- he has never hidden who he really is or what he stands for. Those things are out there for anyone who takes the trouble to see for themselves. He may say one thing to those 'outside' the fold but he has a long history of saying quite another to those who hold him in high esteem. He has no cause to hide his documented bigotry because he has army of useful idiots who will defend him.

34 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 6:33:46pm

re: #28 Killgore Trout

Yeah, it should be interesting. There's a decent amount of twitter traffic about it. People are noticing.

Then there's some hope. It would take some luck, but something like this might kick up enough fuss for the Spectator to fire McCain, and turn conservatives away from him.

35 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 6:33:58pm

I usually don't repost stalkers posts here but this is too good to pass up: Rodan/Daedalus sez.....

RS McCain today tweeted today mocking the UK, Germany and Mexico. He called them Faggots/Limeys (Brits), Kraut Swine (Germans) and Beaners (Mexicans). This was clearly a mock at those nations. Ever the hypocrite, the Jazz Man who mocks Catholics, Conservatives and Sarah Palin with worse language is creating manufactured outrage by having his Blog groupies tweet this story. To make matters worse, he once again displays delusions of grandeur. He emails American Spectator and posts it on his blog. He really believes they will respond to him or fire McCain. This is a Totalitarian act on the part of a man who admires Communists!

Uh, yeah.

36 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 6:35:53pm

re: #30 lostlakehiker

Quite likely. But the voices on that tape are not those of Fox employees.

The last one sounds like Cato.

/

37 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 6:36:04pm

re: #30 lostlakehiker

Quite likely. But the voices on that tape are not those of Fox employees.

Yes, they are. Read the post.

38 Ben G. Hazi  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 6:36:59pm

re: #35 Killgore Trout

I usually don't repost stalkers posts here but this is too good to pass up: Rodan/Daedalus sez...

Uh, yeah.

Hey, Rodan/Daedalus, they make really good drugs nowadays that can help control those voices in your head...

39 researchok  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 6:37:12pm

re: #36 Decatur Deb

The last one sounds like Cato.

/

You're in for it now.

40 b_Snark  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 6:37:17pm

re: #35 Killgore Trout

I usually don't repost stalkers posts here but this is too good to pass up: Rodan/Daedalus sez...

Uh, yeah.

Sounds like an idiot in training.

41 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 6:37:31pm

re: #28 Killgore Trout

Yeah, it should be interesting. There's a decent amount of twitter traffic about it. People are noticing.

They SHOULD notice.
It's blatant racism.
It went out of "style" for MOST people 50 years ago, or more!

42 Gus  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 6:37:43pm

re: #35 Killgore Trout

I usually don't repost stalkers posts here but this is too good to pass up: Rodan/Daedalus sez...

Uh, yeah.

Typical Rodent rhetoric: always with the random and/or incorrect capitalization.

43 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 6:37:45pm

OT: I'm always paranoid about grilling fish. It usually doesn't end up well for me. Over cooked, undercooked or falls apart and falls into the fire. I'm really tempted to throw this on the grill tonight. Think it'll work? Any advice?

44 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 6:37:45pm

re: #31 b_sharp

When I was at FR, there was a lot of peeking under kilts checking for true Scotmen and accusations of RINOhood. Once I got past the ROTFLMAO, it made me curious, is there such a thing as a DINO, and if not, why not?

Blue Dogs (often Dixiecrats). We know who they are.

45 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 6:38:55pm

re: #35 Killgore Trout

Of course "Rodan" (real name: Rick Martinez) sees nothing wrong with McCain's comments. He's a first class racist himself.

Racists supporting other racists.

46 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 6:38:56pm

re: #43 Killgore Trout

OT: I'm always paranoid about grilling fish. It usually doesn't end up well for me. Over cooked, undercooked or falls apart and falls into the fire. I'm really tempted to throw this on the grill tonight. Think it'll work? Any advice?

Tried cedar planking?

47 ClaudeMonet  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 6:38:56pm

re: #31 b_sharp

When I was at FR, there was a lot of peeking under kilts checking for true Scotmen and accusations of RINOhood. Once I got past the ROTFLMAO, it made me curious, is there such a thing as a DINO, and if not, why not?

Sure, there are DINOs, at least in the minds of those on the Left fringe. Joe Lieberman is the first to come to mind. It's interesting how those accusations were toned down once the Left realized that the Democrats needed his support to get bills out of the Senate.

The Loony Left is sometimes as bad as the Rabid Right, but they are much smarter even if they're sometimes slow to pick up on realpolitik.

48 Gus  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 6:39:09pm

re: #40 b_sharp

Sounds like an idiot in training.

He already gradumated.

49 Renaissance_Man  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 6:39:25pm

re: #20 Killgore Trout

I'm sure he's pretty nervous. It might turn out bad for him but the Right is very lazy about vetting their associations these days so I'm doubtful that anyone on the right will care.

It won't turn out bad. You must remember that being hated is a badge of honour to the Conservative cult.

50 ClaudeMonet  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 6:39:44pm

re: #38 talon_262

Hey, Rodan/Daedalus, they make really good drugs nowadays that can help control those voices in your head...

That's funny, because the first thing that popped into my head was, "This person needs a serious change in medications."

51 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 6:40:06pm

re: #43 Killgore Trout

Got a fish pan for the grill?
[Link: www.williams-sonoma.com...]

52 Gus  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 6:40:25pm

re: #38 talon_262

Hey, Rodan/Daedalus, they make really good drugs nowadays that can help control those voices in your head...

Yeah, I think the drug is called "stop drinking".

53 researchok  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 6:40:33pm

re: #43 Killgore Trout

OT: I'm always paranoid about grilling fish. It usually doesn't end up well for me. Over cooked, undercooked or falls apart and falls into the fire. I'm really tempted to throw this on the grill tonight. Think it'll work? Any advice?

Fish: Grilling

54 Ben G. Hazi  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 6:40:56pm

re: #45 Charles

Of course "Rodan" (real name: Rick Martinez) sees nothing wrong with McCain's comments. He's a first class racist himself.

Racists supporting other racists.

It's a racist circle jerk...no doubt.

55 darthstar  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 6:40:59pm

Just becase the American Spectator pays xenophobic racists and homophobes to spread their bile on the internet doesn't necessarily mean that the American Spectator itself advocates xenophobia, racism and homophobia.

Or does it? It's a fair question to ask.

56 Kewalo  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 6:41:25pm

re: #31 b_sharp

Oh yes, there are Dinos. When the left went after Leiberman we called him that every chance we got. A lot of good it did us isn't it?

57 ClaudeMonet  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 6:41:51pm

re: #46 Decatur Deb

Tried cedar planking?

Good idea. If you don't have cedar planking, plain old aluminum foil may do the trick. You don't get the full grill effect, but it distributes the heat evenly and prevents losing the fish into the fire.

58 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 6:42:29pm

re: #35 Killgore Trout

I usually don't repost stalkers posts here but this is too good to pass up: Rodan/Daedalus sez...

Uh, yeah.

He's lost contact with reality. Charles asks for help in publicizing a racist post that he rightly thought problematic, then writes a letter to the magazine that employs the racist. I cannot see it what universe that is Totalitarian.

59 darthstar  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 6:42:35pm

And just because Hertz car rental advertises on American Spectator doesn't mean Hertz car rental advocates racism and homophobia. Or does it? It's a fair question to ask.

60 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 6:43:07pm

re: #46 Decatur Deb

Tried cedar planking?

Yeah, I do that with salmon. I suppose I could do it with the Mahi Mahi too.

61 freetoken  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 6:43:10pm

Unfortunately not everyone reading these posts and tweets speak English as a first language.

So, as a favor to those from East Asia, we present an English lesson on appropriate phrases to use in response to RSM and the like:

62 Targetpractice  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 6:44:33pm

re: #58 Dark_Falcon

He's lost contact with reality. Charles asks for help in publicizing a racist post that he rightly thought problematic, then writes a letter to the magazine that employs the racist. I cannot see it what universe that is Totalitarian.

Nutbar seems to interpret "writing a letter to bring McCain's stupidity to AS' attention" as "Charles demand McCain's resignation/termination for saying things he doesn't like." Sometimes you gotta read between the lines.

63 ClaudeMonet  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 6:44:34pm

re: #53 researchok

Fish: Grilling

That's better than my previous suggestion. Thanks!

64 Achilles Tang  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 6:44:41pm

re: #43 Killgore Trout

OT: I'm always paranoid about grilling fish. It usually doesn't end up well for me. Over cooked, undercooked or falls apart and falls into the fire. I'm really tempted to throw this on the grill tonight. Think it'll work? Any advice?

Get one of these.

Fish smokers

65 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 6:44:44pm

re: #60 Killgore Trout

Yeah, I do that with salmon. I suppose I could do it with the Mahi Mahi too.

I've head of using alder, but haven't tried it.

66 fantasmaguero  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 6:45:01pm

Random story, but I feel like sharing:

My (now ex) girlfriend is English. When she came with me to visit my parents here in the States last Christmas, she was delighted at the friendliness and openness of the Americans she met during her brief stay. The lone exception involved a visit from my brother's drunken high school "buddies". The three of them are 23 years old, haven't completed college or held steady jobs since high school, and pass their days getting drunk and stoned while playing XBox Live. I wasn't at home when they came a-calling, but the highlights (before she retreated to my bedroom to avoid serious argument) included frequent piss-poor attempts at some "English" accent and unfunny lines about Redcoats, horrible food, and the US "bailing out England" in WWII. Also on tap that night, as the three blathered on were a litany of homophobic and racist remarks about blacks.

The fundamental difference between RSM and these "failures to launch"? You tell me.

67 Ben G. Hazi  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 6:45:18pm

re: #52 Gus 802

Yeah, I think the drug is called "stop drinking".

He picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue...

/Steve McCroskey

68 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 6:45:29pm

re: #48 Gus 802

He already gradumated.

Mr. Bush, is that you? ;)

69 b_Snark  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 6:45:42pm

re: #43 Killgore Trout

OT: I'm always paranoid about grilling fish. It usually doesn't end up well for me. Over cooked, undercooked or falls apart and falls into the fire. I'm really tempted to throw this on the grill tonight. Think it'll work? Any advice?

Even with taking the name of a fishy character gifted as a superb writer you're afraid of cooking fish? Ironic.

Look at it this way, the more practice you get cooking fish, the better it will turn out. That recipe you linked to looks yummy so you have no option but to go for it.

If I lived in your area, I would not hesitate to invite myself over for a taste.

70 lostlakehiker  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 6:46:38pm

re: #37 Charles

Yes, they are. Read the post.

Here's what I read.

The comments overheard were made by reporters assembled from other newspaper and television outlets, and at no time was the voice of our photographer or our reporter heard on the stream. It's very likely that those reporters and photographers were unaware, or simply forgot, that there was one television station with an open microphone broadcasting to the world. If you did not hear their comments, you can watch a portion of them here, captured by a viewer who was watching the FOX40.com live stream.

Additionally, it should be noted that FOX40 reporter, Andria Borba was not in the room where our signal was broadcast. She was across a courtyard, inside the actual event with Governor Palin. The voices heard delivering commentary after the speech were male.

Our photographer was also not in the room at the end of the speech. There was no cell phone service in the room, so he had to temporarily leave his camera on a tripod to walk outside and call our news director to ask how long to leave the feed up.


Fox statement.

71 Gus  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 6:46:47pm

re: #68 Dark_Falcon

Mr. Bush, is that you? ;)

Don't make me go nucular on your ass!

//

72 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 6:48:06pm

re: #43 Killgore Trout

OT: I'm always paranoid about grilling fish. It usually doesn't end up well for me. Over cooked, undercooked or falls apart and falls into the fire. I'm really tempted to throw this on the grill tonight. Think it'll work? Any advice?

Rule of thumb: ten minutes of broiling for every inch of thickness. Test with a fork to make sure it's cooked all the way through.

73 ClaudeMonet  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 6:48:21pm

re: #71 Gus 802

Don't make me go nucular on your ass!

//

Or in the word of Jimmy Carter, "Nookeear".

74 researchok  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 6:48:58pm

re: #63 ClaudeMonet

That's better than my previous suggestion. Thanks!

Mahi is easier to grill than most fish. Really firm.

Easy to look like you know what you are doing.

75 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 6:50:02pm

The SPLC, those hard-core bashers of everything good, true, and wingnutty has also attacked the Blak Bloc. Ticked them off.

Link to Google cache of Anarchist site:

[Link: www.infoshop.org...]

76 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 6:52:27pm

re: #73 ClaudeMonet

Or in the word of Jimmy Carter, "Nookeear".

It's the Texas (Bush the Younger), and Georgia (Carter) accents at work.

77 celticdragon  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 6:52:34pm

re: #20 Killgore Trout

I'm sure he's pretty nervous. It might turn out bad for him but the Right is very lazy about vetting their associations these days so I'm doubtful that anyone on the right will care.

Unfortunately true.

78 b_Snark  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 6:52:43pm

re: #48 Gus 802

He already gradumated.

I'm not so sure. He sounded stupid enough to have potential, but I'm not sure that he isn't too stupid to be an idiot. Now I'm not talking about village idiot level of idiocy, it's obvious he's not smart enough to reach that lofty goal, or even that of an idiot's idiot, but surely with a little more training, and possibly a brain transplant he could get up to KKK idiocy. Nu?

79 BARACK THE VOTE  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 6:54:34pm

re: #12 Killgore Trout

RSM sez...

"I meant to do that"

haha-- so let's pretend he even had that bet. "20 dollars that I change the topic in the rightwing blogosphere" -- delusions of grandeur but whatever.

So he 'changes it' by?........Charles Johnson posting.

Oh yeah McCain. I guess you really showed us all how influential you are.

Racist, drunk, and stupid is no way to go through life, son.

80 ClaudeMonet  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 6:56:01pm

re: #79 iceweasel

haha-- so let's pretend he even had that bet. "20 dollars that I change the topic in the rightwing blogosphere" -- delusions of grandeur but whatever.

So he 'changes it' by?....Charles Johnson posting.

Oh yeah McCain. I guess you really showed us all how influential you are.

Racist, drunk, and stupid is no way to go through life, son.

For all we know, he may be fat, too. Upding for the Animal House reference.

81 Gus  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 6:58:53pm

re: #79 iceweasel

haha-- so let's pretend he even had that bet. "20 dollars that I change the topic in the rightwing blogosphere" -- delusions of grandeur but whatever.

So he 'changes it' by?....Charles Johnson posting.

Oh yeah McCain. I guess you really showed us all how influential you are.

Racist, drunk, and stupid is no way to go through life, son.

Is it all right if we call him Boney Pantload?

/

Image: 4069059003_e34db28be1_b.jpg

82 celticdragon  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 6:59:42pm

re: #72 Charles


BYW, I saw the bit you posted yesterday that the Idaho GOP thought people like me are such a threat that we have to be banned from marriage altogether.

I often wonder just what those kinds of moralizing scolds think transgendered people actually do to be such a threat to their fragile worldview. Maybe I should show up and scare some of them up in Idaho on Hallowe'en. ;)

O/T...

If you get a chance, try to watch the NatGeo series How the Earth Changed History with Scottich geologist Iain Stewart. Beautiful, engaging and fascinating treatment of history, anthropology, geography and geology. Information is the bane of creationists and climate change deniers...so watch it for yourself and get others to watch it also.

83 Kronocide  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 7:04:26pm

WTF is happening to all my good sites? PJM and now AS? The list of usually reliable pundits are getting smaller.

This place seems like all I got left.

84 Varek Raith  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 7:05:26pm

Oy, bad craziness.

85 darthstar  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 7:05:46pm

re: #83 BigPapa

WTF is happening to all my good sites? PJM and now AS? The list of usually reliable pundits are getting smaller.

This place seems like all I got left.

If you miss PJM and AS, don't fret...You've still got this.

86 Four More Tears  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 7:07:09pm

re: #85 darthstar

If you miss PJM and AS, don't fret...You've still got this.

Do they lean right or left?

87 Kronocide  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 7:07:39pm

re: #85 darthstar

If you miss PJM and AS, don't fret...You've still got this.

I got this and this too, but not much more.

88 Lidane  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 7:08:02pm

re: #31 b_sharp

is there such a thing as a DINO, and if not, why not?

Yes, there are DINOs. If you want examples of people who would be considered DINOs by the left, look no further than Joe Lieberman and Zell Miller.

89 darthstar  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 7:08:58pm

re: #86 JasonA

Do they lean right or left?

I think Tinky leans forward.

90 Kronocide  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 7:09:54pm

I'm sure we'll find out, but I really hope AS responds to CJ. In a positive fashion.... of which can be only one thing.

91 Four More Tears  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 7:09:57pm

re: #88 Lidane

Yes, there are DINOs. If you want examples of people who would be considered DINOs by the left, look no further than Joe Lieberman and Zell Miller.

Nah, those actually left the damn party.

92 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 7:11:15pm

TO: Mr Charles Johnson
RE: Stacy McCain Supposed Racist Comments.

Dear Mr. Johnson;
Your e-mail was very unclear as to any specific comments that Mr. McCain had made since you chose to paraphrase him in your missive. Until our editorial staff is able to substanstiate your claims we are unable to directly comment at this time.

However with the apparent ease at which identities are routinely stolen on the internet it may be impossible to ever attribute the twitter posts you claim to have been made by Mr. McCain to any specific person.

P.S. Don't hold your breath.

///

93 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 7:11:18pm

re: #86 JasonA

Do they lean right or left?

They have gay agita. I heard it from a preacher.

94 darthstar  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 7:11:26pm

re: #88 Lidane

Yes, there are DINOs. If you want examples of people who would be considered DINOs by the left, look no further than Joe Lieberman and Zell Miller.

Joe Lieberman is more of a AIEW (asshole in every way)

95 Targetpractice  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 7:11:36pm

re: #88 Lidane

Yes, there are DINOs. If you want examples of people who would be considered DINOs by the left, look no further than Joe Lieberman and Zell Miller.

Oh yeah, I remember Election '04 and the bile and hatred directed at Zell amongst the liberals blogs and messageboards, not just for showing up at the GOP Convention, but daring to speak against his own party. Needed two showers after that particular bit of dumpster-diving.

96 KingKenrod  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 7:11:42pm

re: #86 JasonA

Do they lean right or left?

Jerry Falwell says they're gay, so I'm sure they're pinko.

97 Four More Tears  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 7:12:03pm

re: #91 JasonA

Nah, those actually left the damn party.

My point being that they're not Democrats in name :P
It's not a game I care to play, but the lefties farther out there than I would probably call Dems like Bayh and Lincoln DINOs.

98 darthstar  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 7:12:30pm

re: #96 KingKenrod

Jerry Falwell says they're gay, so I'm sure they're pinko.

He only says that because once, when the meth wore off, he had rug-burns on his ass with a blue tint.

99 Ojoe  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 7:12:33pm

re: #83 BigPapa

This is it.

You might also check out the Modern Whig Party too.

100 Lidane  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 7:12:39pm

re: #91 JasonA

Nah, those actually left the damn party.

Yeah, but even before that happened, they were considered DINOs. Lieberman was tolerated at the best of times and is utterly loathed these days, and Miller pretty much burned all his bridges permanently when he spoke at the Republican convention.

101 Targetpractice  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 7:13:09pm

re: #92 ausador

TO: Mr Charles Johnson
RE: Stacy McCain Supposed Racist Comments.

Dear Mr. Johnson;
Your e-mail was very unclear as to any specific comments that Mr. McCain had made since you chose to paraphrase him in your missive. Until our editorial staff is able to substanstiate your claims we are unable to directly comment at this time.

However with the apparent ease at which identities are routinely stolen on the internet it may be impossible to ever attribute the twitter posts you claim to have been made by Mr. McCain to any specific person.

P.S. Don't hold your breath.

///

i.e. the CBS con-job. "We didn't see it being done, you've got no evidence it could only come from him, so we can't take official action that may make us 'look bad.'"

102 Four More Tears  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 7:13:18pm

re: #98 darthstar

He only says said that because once, when the meth wore off, he had rug-burns on his ass with a blue tint.

At least have enough respect for the dead to use the proper tense. :P

103 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 7:14:01pm

McCain is now desperately trying to redirect the conversation by sucking up to Dave Weigel.

104 zora  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 7:14:20pm

re: #81 Gus 802

i can clearly see why his genes must be preserved intact and not contaminated in the future by miscegenation. it's the least he can do for his race.

105 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 7:14:21pm

re: #97 JasonA

My point being that they're not Democrats in name :P
It's not a game I care to play, but the lefties farther out there than I would probably call Dems like Bayh and Lincoln DINOs.

Nah. President Obama backed Lincoln in the primary, IIRC. Those are still mainstream. Bobby Bright (my everlovin' Rep.) is a Blue Dog Dino.

106 darthstar  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 7:14:40pm

re: #102 JasonA

At least have enough respect for the dead to use the proper tense. :P

My apologies...I thought they still had him propped up for the cameras. That said, I really don't miss Jerry Falwell all that much.

107 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 7:14:58pm

re: #103 Charles

McCain is now desperately trying to redirect the conversation by sucking up to Dave Weigel.

Who's that?

108 darthstar  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 7:15:24pm

re: #103 Charles

McCain is now desperately trying to redirect the conversation by sucking up to Dave Weigel.

Does this mean RSM wants to see Drudge set himself on fire?

109 Four More Tears  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 7:15:32pm

re: #105 Decatur Deb

Nah. President Obama backed Lincoln in the primary, IIRC.

I don't think that saves anyone from a Purity Test™, though.

110 researchok  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 7:15:34pm

re: #103 Charles

McCain is now desperately trying to redirect the conversation by sucking up to Dave Weigel.


Shopping for friends.

111 Ojoe  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 7:15:49pm

re: #107 Dark_Falcon

Ultimately, who are any of these people?

112 Four More Tears  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 7:16:15pm

re: #111 Ojoe

Ultimately, who are any of these people?

Deep, man.

113 Varek Raith  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 7:16:18pm

re: #107 Dark_Falcon

Who's that?

From wiki.

Weigel has written for USA Today, as an editorial assistant on the editorial page and as a reporter for Campaigns & Elections, for Slate, The Guardian, The American Prospect, The American Spectator, The Washington Monthly, the American Conservative, Politico, the Washington Independent, and The Nation. He has appeared on NPR's Fresh Air and MSNBC's The Rachel Maddow Show.[10] Weigel has also blogged for The Economist's "Democracy in America" blog, and guest-blogged for Andrew Sullivan's "Daily Dish" blog.[11]

In June 2010, excerpts of Weigel's emails from JournoList were leaked and published by Fishbowl DC and later The Daily Caller. The excerpts contained negative remarks about various public figures associated with American conservatism such as Pat Buchanan, Matt Drudge, Newt Gingrich and Rush Limbaugh as well as being critical on the way many news outlet cover the more fringe elements of the grassroots members of American conservatism.[12] As a result of the leaked emails, Weigel resigned from Washington Post and JournoList was shut down.[3][13]

114 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 7:16:25pm

re: #109 JasonA

I don't think that saves anyone from a Purity Test™, though.

We have a purity test? We don't think a BJ is sex.

115 Ojoe  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 7:18:21pm

re: #112 JasonA

or, Heavy

(Smothers Brothers)

116 Four More Tears  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 7:18:42pm

re: #114 Decatur Deb

We don't think a BJ is sex.

Who does?

/

117 darthstar  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 7:18:46pm

re: #111 Ojoe

Ultimately, who are any of these people?

They're like us, only different.

118 Kronocide  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 7:18:47pm

re: #103 Charles

McCain is now desperately trying to redirect the conversation by sucking up to Dave Weigel.

That can be expected. I'm really interested in what AS does. It's not like I'm a monthly subscriber but the brand would get some serious tarnish on it.

I'm askerd they won't say anything or give you a form response.

119 Gus  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 7:19:08pm

re: #103 Charles

McCain is now desperately trying to redirect the conversation by sucking up to Dave Weigel.

Maybe in a couple of hours his next excuse will be that he was being a "smartass."

(Apparently that's the up to the minute outrage. Biden's "smartass" comment at the frozen yogurt shop).

Image: drudge-siren.gif

120 Four More Tears  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 7:19:14pm

re: #117 darthstar

They're like us, only different.

They're more like us than we care to admit.

121 Varek Raith  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 7:19:22pm

re: #116 JasonA

Who does?

/

That depends on what the meaning of "who" is.

122 darthstar  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 7:19:45pm

re: #120 JasonA

They're more like us than we care to admit.

They get paid to be like us. We're like us for free.

123 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 7:19:52pm

re: #121 Varek Raith

That depends on what the meaning of "who" is.

And what "is" is.

124 Ojoe  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 7:20:14pm

re: #119 Gus 802

What was his first excuse? Did he say he was drunk?

125 Gus  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 7:21:01pm

re: #124 Ojoe

What was his first excuse? Did he say he was drunk?

Not yet. Just a mention of a baby pic of himself holding a beer bottle.

126 darthstar  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 7:21:12pm

re: #123 Decatur Deb

And what "is" is.

And sometimes a cigar is just a cigar, moistened with love...but still a cigar. I'm sure Clinton could have picked a better intern, but hey, it happened. I'm not losing sleep over it.

127 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 7:21:34pm

A most excellent post from Marc Cooper on Roger Simon and Pajamas Media:

[Link: marccooper.com...]

128 RogueOne  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 7:21:54pm

re: #88 Lidane

Yes, there are DINOs. If you want examples of people who would be considered DINOs by the left, look no further than Joe Lieberman and Zell Miller.

Blanche Lincoln. Dan Lipinski, and anyone who voted against HCR

129 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 7:22:26pm

re: #126 darthstar

And sometimes a cigar is just a cigar, moistened with love...but still a cigar. I'm sure Clinton could have picked a better intern, but hey, it happened. I'm not losing sleep over it.

Being a Democrat requires study in forgiveness. We get good at it.

130 zora  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 7:23:10pm

re: #105 Decatur Deb

and the far left was furious at him for backing lincoln. they had their own real democrat, halter, and she was primaried. halter had a lot of netroots support.

131 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 7:25:23pm

re: #130 zora

and the far left was furious at him for backing lincoln. they had their own real democrat, halter, and she was primaried. halter had a lot of netroots support.

I was more for Halter myself, but I would love to see Lincoln keep her seat. That's a lot saner than gnawing off our left or right wings.

132 RogueOne  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 7:25:42pm

re: #119 Gus 802

Maybe in a couple of hours his next excuse will be that he was being a "smartass."

(Apparently that's the up to the minute outrage. Biden's "smartass" comment at the frozen yogurt shop).

Image: drudge-siren.gif

The only difference between biden and the yogurt shop mgr is one of them is "smart" and the other is just an ass.

133 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 7:26:08pm

re: #113 Varek Raith

Thank you, Varek.

134 Kronocide  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 7:27:15pm

re: #127 Charles

A most excellent post from Marc Cooper on Roger Simon and Pajamas Media:

[Link: marccooper.com...]

I'm askerd to look, but I'm awaiting a link or story about something Bill Whittle has posted going nutter. He's still at PJM... oh no....

135 Ojoe  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 7:27:27pm

re: #126 darthstar

LOL

136 Varek Raith  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 7:28:49pm

Sigh.
Stupid teenagers and their firecrackers.
And their Rock and or Roll.

137 Gus  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 7:30:29pm

re: #132 RogueOne

The only difference between biden and the yogurt shop mgr is one of them is "smart" and the other is just an ass.

Right. And one will have unlimited retirement expenses, Secret Service protection, health care, and be sit for life. Oh, and he will be the former Vice President of the United States.

Given that I am reminded of one certain Vice President, Dan Quayle. I remember at the time I was a volunteer for the DNC at the time and was quite the liberal green. I do remember though that I still felt that even though all around me people took it upon themselves to ridicule VP Quayle I never felt comfortable with that assessment and never engaged in ridiculing Quayle -- especially regarding the "potato" flap.

Unless of course you meant that the "owner" of the yogurt shop was being an ass. In which case you can disregard all that I said.

138 Targetpractice  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 7:31:11pm

re: #136 Varek Raith

Sigh.
Stupid teenagers and their firecrackers.
And their Rock and or Roll.

Getting mean and crotchety in your old age, Varek?

/

139 Gus  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 7:31:17pm

re: #127 Charles

A most excellent post from Marc Cooper on Roger Simon and Pajamas Media:

[Link: marccooper.com...]

Excellent! This cracked me up:

...Stephen Green? This guy, Green, is –without question– a major DMF. Indeed he is SO dumb that I actually listen to PJM’s unlistentable radio show on XM just to hear how dumb Green is. If you have access to XM Sirius, consider the show, PJM Political, as a reasonable substitute for the comedy channels.

140 Varek Raith  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 7:32:13pm

re: #138 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Getting mean and crotchety in your old age, Varek?

/

YES.

141 Targetpractice  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 7:32:29pm

re: #127 Charles

A most excellent post from Marc Cooper on Roger Simon and Pajamas Media:

[Link: marccooper.com...]

Yeow! You can hear the slap right through the computer monitor. Bet that one will leave a mark.

142 RogueOne  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 7:32:39pm

Biden: We Can't Recover All the Jobs Lost
[Link: www.cbsnews.com...]

With photo of Biden using both his braincells to their capacity. The man can barely breathe and think at the same time.

My in-laws are here. I'm in a bit of a mood.

143 funky chicken  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 7:33:30pm

re: #105 Decatur Deb

Nah. President Obama backed Lincoln in the primary, IIRC. Those are still mainstream. Bobby Bright (my everlovin' Rep.) is a Blue Dog Dino.

Jeez...he was my mayor a few years ago. Representative Bright, huh?

144 RogueOne  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 7:33:55pm

re: #137 Gus 802

Right. And one will have unlimited retirement expenses, Secret Service protection, health care, and be sit for life. Oh, and he will be the former Vice President of the United States.

Given that I am reminded of one certain Vice President, Dan Quayle. I remember at the time I was a volunteer for the DNC at the time and was quite the liberal green. I do remember though that I still felt that even though all around me people took it upon themselves to ridicule VP Quayle I never felt comfortable with that assessment and never engaged in ridiculing Quayle -- especially regarding the "potato" flap.

Unless of course you meant that the "owner" of the yogurt shop was being an ass. In which case you can disregard all that I said.

Dan Quayle has been the happiest man on the planet since the election. I'm thinking about paying for one of those "Miss me yet?" billboards. Quayle can't spell potato and Biden can count to potatoe. Our best and brightest always get the cushy jobs.

145 Varek Raith  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 7:34:05pm

re: #142 RogueOne

Biden: We Can't Recover All the Jobs Lost
[Link: www.cbsnews.com...]

With photo of Biden using both his braincells to their capacity. The man can barely breathe and think at the same time.

My in-laws are here. I'm in a bit of a mood.

Then allow me to throw anti-matter on the flames.
You sound just like a lefty who hates Bush.
:)

146 Gus  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 7:34:52pm

re: #144 RogueOne

Dan Quayle has been the happiest man on the planet since the election. I'm thinking about paying for one of those "Miss me yet?" billboards. Quayle can't spell potato and Biden can count to potatoe. Our best and brightest always get the cushy jobs.

Yeah. Such is the place of Vice Presidents. Honestly, none of them really ever get much respect.

147 Four More Tears  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 7:35:02pm

re: #137 Gus 802

Right. And one will have unlimited retirement expenses, Secret Service protection, health care, and be sit for life. Oh, and he will be the former Vice President of the United States.

They only get the Secret Service protection for 10 years after they leave office. That change was made during Clinton.

148 BARACK THE VOTE  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 7:35:21pm

re: #130 zora

and the far left was furious at him for backing lincoln. they had their own real democrat, halter, and she was primaried. halter had a lot of netroots support.

I was pissed about that myself. I think FDL and Blue America endorsed Halter. Don't remember.

149 RogueOne  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 7:35:31pm

re: #145 Varek Raith

Then allow me to throw anti-matter on the flames.
You sound just like a lefty who hates Bush.
:)

I can't stand Biden. He's a gaffe machine because he's an idiot. Of all the people for Obama to pick and he chose that guy? Good lord man!

150 Gus  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 7:35:47pm

re: #147 JasonA

They only get the Secret Service protection for 10 years after they leave office. That change was made during Clinton.

Really? OK, thanks.

10 years to rule the world! /

151 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 7:36:03pm

re: #143 funky chicken

Jeez...he was my mayor a few years ago. Representative Bright, huh?

Scary, i'init?

152 Four More Tears  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 7:36:04pm

re: #146 Gus 802

Yeah. Such is the place of Vice Presidents. Honestly, none of them really ever get much respect.

Spiro Agnew set the bar so high...

153 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 7:36:22pm

re: #114 Decatur Deb

We have a purity test? We don't think a BJ is sex.

Of course Dems. have a purity test.

1. Are you in favor of aborting every baby conceived so as to reduce mankind's impact on the Earth?

2. Do you believe that it is essential that we form a one world fascist government that abrogates all personal rights in favor of "the rights of civilization" as soon as possible.

3. Do you believe that the rich and the thrifty should have their money seized and distributed to welfare mothers, alcoholics, and druggies?

///I could go on, but I'm sure you know the rest of them after reading the right wing sites or seeing it reported here...

154 Gus  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 7:36:28pm

re: #152 JasonA

Spiro Agnew set the bar so high...

=)

He did?

155 BARACK THE VOTE  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 7:36:53pm

re: #128 RogueOne

Blanche Lincoln. Dan Lipinski, and anyone who voted against HCR

STUPAK! Grrrrrrr

156 Targetpractice  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 7:37:58pm

re: #149 RogueOne

I can't stand Biden. He's a gaffe machine because he's an idiot. Of all the people for Obama to pick and he chose that guy? Good lord man!

Obama picked Biden because he needed to answer the "no experience" accusations, plus Biden was considered a "safe" choice. The gaffes were seen as a small cross to bear by comparison to other potential "candidates."

157 Gus  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 7:38:28pm

Vodka Pundit Pantload

//

158 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 7:38:29pm

re: #136 Varek Raith

Sigh.
Stupid teenagers and their firecrackers.
And their Rock and or Roll.

Get off my lawn!
///

159 Four More Tears  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 7:38:29pm

Personally, I kind of like that we have DINOs and RINOs. I hate it when they all march in lockstep to the party's tune.

160 BARACK THE VOTE  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 7:39:06pm

re: #119 Gus 802

Maybe in a couple of hours his next excuse will be that he was being a "smartass."

(Apparently that's the up to the minute outrage. Biden's "smartass" comment at the frozen yogurt shop).

Image: drudge-siren.gif

Someone should do a page with a time line of his excuses so far and update it. Evolution of an Excuse.
(i'd do it myself but I can't)

161 RogueOne  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 7:40:32pm

re: #156 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Obama picked Biden because he needed to answer the "no experience" accusations, plus Biden was considered a "safe" choice. The gaffes were seen as a small cross to bear by comparison to other potential "candidates."

He is the "safe" pick mostly because millions of americans go to bed at night praying for the health of our president.//

162 Varek Raith  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 7:40:48pm

re: #159 JasonA

Personally, I kind of like that we have DINOs and RINOs. I hate it when they all march in lockstep to the party's tune.

Image: scifi2_1a.jpg

You are part of the Rebel Alliance and a traitor. Take her away!

163 Gus  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 7:41:16pm

re: #160 iceweasel

Someone should do a page with a time line of his excuses so far and update it. Evolution of an Excuse.
(i'd do it myself but I can't)

Robert Stacy McCain: The Chronology Stupid

Background music: "Heroin" by the Velvet Underground

OK, that might be showing too much respect.

164 RogueOne  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 7:41:30pm

re: #159 JasonA

Personally, I kind of like that we have DINOs and RINOs. I hate it when they all march in lockstep to the party's tune.

I like shit stirrers too. Shit stirrers and rat fornicators.//

165 Gus  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 7:41:50pm

re: #162 Varek Raith

Image: scifi2_1a.jpg

You are part of the Rebel Alliance and a traitor. Take her away!

Hey, speaking of Vice Presidents.

//

166 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 7:42:28pm

"MrPaulRevere" over at the Other Place put up a post asking about how I could support Charles in light of a comment Charles made about Mao-Tse Tung. As this post did not hurl insults at me, I'm going to answer. Here's the link to the post he's bringing up:

I knew it wouldn't be long before people dug up examples of Republicans quoting Chairman Mao too.

The simple fact is that Chairman Mao was a pretty perceptive political thinker. You can deplore what he did in China and still realize that not everything he wrote was the sheer embodiment of evil.

(I know, this is unthinkable to many on the right. But apparently not to Newt Gingrich.)

'MPR' insinuated that there was something wrong with this post. Quite the contrary. Mao was a monster and Charles has never said anything to indicate that he feels otherwise. However, Charles was saying that even that monster had some worthwhile insights. That is not a problematic statement at all. MrPaulRevere, your interpretation is in error. But since you did not insult me, I have worked to not insult you. But Charles is no fool, but instead is an intelligent and insightful man.

167 Targetpractice  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 7:43:12pm

re: #165 Gus 802

Hey, speaking of Vice Presidents.

//

Yeah, I heard Darth Dick Cheney was taken to the hospital. Anybody heard what's up with that?

168 zora  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 7:44:00pm

re: #159 JasonA

it has it's pros and cons. right now i would like to see a group of democrats that could agree amongst themselves about what needs to get done and then work on doing it. those few stragglers are screwing up the agenda.

169 Four More Tears  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 7:44:15pm

re: #167 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Yeah, I heard Darth Dick Cheney was taken to the hospital. Anybody heard what's up with that?

Best place for newborn blood?

///

170 Gus  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 7:44:24pm

re: #167 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Yeah, I heard Darth Dick Cheney was taken to the hospital. Anybody heard what's up with that?

Seems like it's just for observation.

171 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 7:44:40pm

re: #163 Gus 802

Robert Stacy McCain: The Chronology Stupid

Background music: "Heroin" by the Velvet Underground

OK, that might be showing too much respect.

Seriously.

Soy un perdedor...no other song works.

In the time of chimpanzees I was a monkey
Butane in my veins and I’m out to cut the junkie
With the plastic eyeballs, spray-paint the vegetables
Dog food stalls with the beefcake pantyhose
Kill the headlights and put it in neutral
Stock car flamin’ with a loser and the cruise control
Baby’s in reno with the vitamin d
Got a couple of couches, sleep on the love-seat

172 Varek Raith  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 7:45:14pm

re: #165 Gus 802

Hey, speaking of Vice Presidents.

//

CHENEY IS A JEDI!
*Force Lightnings the jerk who started the "Cheney is a Sith" smear*
:)

173 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 7:46:06pm

re: #166 Dark_Falcon

To be clear, the above post is not intended to praise anyone over at that blog. They are utterly wrong about Charles, and MPR's post insulted Charles repeatedly. But I wanted to deal with his assertion in a civil manner, so that it was not left unrefuted.

174 sattv4u2  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 7:46:09pm

Anyone want an Ice Cream Sammich?

175 Four More Tears  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 7:46:11pm

re: #169 JasonA

Best place for newborn blood?

///

For the record, you could say that was in bad taste, but I'm convinced that the man will not die.

176 BongCrodny  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 7:46:37pm

re: #159 JasonA

Personally, I kind of like that we have DINOs and RINOs. I hate it when they all march in lockstep to the party's tune.


If the modern Whig party ever becomes a political force, will we also have WINOS?

177 BARACK THE VOTE  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 7:46:50pm

re: #163 Gus 802

Robert Stacy McCain: The Chronology Stupid

Background music: "Heroin" by the Velvet Underground

OK, that might be showing too much respect.

TBMG: Your Racist Friend.

/I love that velvet underground song! (who doesn't)

178 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 7:47:01pm

re: #155 iceweasel

Good Evening Ice. I share your frustration.

Photo Sanity Break Anyone?

179 Targetpractice  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 7:47:17pm

re: #175 JasonA

For the record, you could say that was in bad taste, but I'm convinced that the man will not die.

Of course not. He will simply become one with the Force.

/

180 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 7:47:24pm

re: #166 Dark_Falcon

You're wasting your time. Those people could not care less about reason and logic.

And I really could not care less what they have to say about me -- unless they threaten my life again, in which case I will make sure to pursue every legal avenue available.

181 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 7:47:37pm

re: #168 zora

it has it's pros and cons. right now i would like to see a group of democrats that could agree amongst themselves about what needs to get done and then work on doing it. those few stragglers are screwing up the agenda.

If enough of the new Repubs are elected from among the crazies, they will probably destroy the discipline. Hell of a way to win.

182 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 7:48:31pm

re: #175 JasonA

For the record, you could say that was in bad taste, but I'm convinced that the man will not die.

I'm not convinced he sleeps.

183 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 7:48:40pm

re: #162 Varek Raith

Image: scifi2_1a.jpg

You are part of the Rebel Alliance and a traitor. Take her away!

And this is just for openers folks. Varek here has coordinates for Planet Wingnut and he's going there in his luxury yacht the Death Star III. Something about a "Superlaser Light Show"... X(

184 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 7:48:57pm

re: #178 Rightwingconspirator

Left you a comment, on the platinum post, with a blue nic.
Add me to your mails?

185 Gus  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 7:50:35pm

re: #166 Dark_Falcon

"MrPaulRevere" over at the Other Place put up a post asking about how I could support Charles in light of a comment Charles made about Mao-Tse Tung. As this post did not hurl insults at me, I'm going to answer. Here's the link to the post he's bringing up:

'MPR' insinuated that there was something wrong with this post. Quite the contrary. Mao was a monster and Charles has never said anything to indicate that he feels otherwise. However, Charles was saying that even that monster had some worthwhile insights. That is not a problematic statement at all. MrPaulRevere, your interpretation is in error. But since you did not insult me, I have worked to not insult you. But Charles is no fool, but instead is an intelligent and insightful man.

He's digging up a comment from 2009? Dude needs to get a life.

He needs to face the facts. Love him or hate him Chairman Mao is studied by people throughout the world and by people in different professions. This is done for a multitude of reasons. He is studied by the US military for his military history, tactics, and what some would call his genius as a military strategist:

Mao site:usma.edu (West Point)

Mao site:*.mil (Military Sites)

186 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 7:50:47pm

re: #184 Floral Giraffe

Glad to.

187 Four More Tears  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 7:51:02pm

re: #182 Decatur Deb

I'm not convinced he sleeps.

Yeah, I think it's more like they hibernate when they're in their coffins...

188 What, me worry?  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 7:51:27pm

re: #178 Rightwingconspirator

Good Evening Ice. I share your frustration.

Photo Sanity Break Anyone?

Lovely moon! Nice birdies, too!

189 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 7:51:33pm

re: #182 Decatur Deb

Zombies can sleep?
Who knew?
//

190 Varek Raith  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 7:51:57pm

re: #187 JasonA

Yeah, I think it's more like they hibernate when they're in their coffins...

GOD DAMMIT!
FIRST YOU ALL SMEAR SITH!
THEN, VAMPIRES!
ARGHHHHHH!!!!
Sith Vampire flounce!
///

191 RogueOne  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 7:52:13pm

More VP fun:

Al Gore 'abuse' masseuse eyes $1M to talk
[Link: www.nypost.com...]


Sources tell Page Six the so-far unidentified Oregon woman is ready to publicly reveal herself and heap more embarrassment on the former vice president in return for a seven-figure media deal. And she intends to use the pants she wore on the night of the alleged incident -- supposedly stained with Gore's DNA and stored in a bank safety-deposit box -- as evidence against Gore, who recently split with wife Tipper.

You would have thought that out of all the VPs he would have known better than to get his DNA all over someones clothing.

192 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 7:53:00pm

re: #185 Gus 802

He's digging up a comment from 2009? Dude needs to get a life.

He needs to face the facts. Love him or hate him Chairman Mao is studied by people throughout the world and by people in different professions. This is done for a multitude of reasons. He is studied by the US military for his military history, tactics, and what some would call his genius as a military strategist:

Mao site:usma.edu (West Point)

Mao site:*.mil (Military Sites)

That's an elitist* liberal college.

*Elitist=uses the subjunctive.

193 RogueOne  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 7:53:33pm

re: #191 RogueOne

That's my new pick-up line..."Wanna DNA sample?". I think it'll work.

194 Gus  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 7:53:54pm

Could you imagine Wingnut World 2.0?

"OK, from now on. For the maintenance of utmost virtue of our nation's citizens and military personnel, the teaching of all topics regarding Mao Tse-tung shall be prohibited."

"Next week we ban all studies of Isoroku Yamamoto."

195 Four More Tears  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 7:54:10pm

re: #191 RogueOne

More VP fun:

Al Gore 'abuse' masseuse eyes $1M to talk
[Link: www.nypost.com...]

You would have thought that out of all the VPs he would have known better than to get his DNA all over someones clothing.

Oh god. I'm picturing Al Gore having sex now. It's just so... monotone.

196 BARACK THE VOTE  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 7:54:10pm

re: #178 Rightwingconspirator

Good Evening Ice. I share your frustration.

Photo Sanity Break Anyone?

Hey RWC! I hope DL is feeling better. Gorgeous photo!

197 RogueOne  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 7:55:29pm

re: #195 JasonA

Oh god. I'm picturing Al Gore having sex now. It's just so... monotone.

198 Kronocide  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 7:55:49pm

re: #191 RogueOne


You would have thought that out of all the VPs he would have known better than to get his DNA all over someones clothing.

That stain is proof global warming is a hoax.

Level 9 Sarc/

199 Vicious Babushka  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 7:55:59pm

Good week, honcos.

Did you ever have some gadget or small appliance, rarely used, that you always have to move aside to get to something else.

Then, when you decide that you are actually going to use this gadget, you can't find it?

Just weirod.

200 Four More Tears  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 7:56:32pm

re: #197 RogueOne

[Video]

It's like they ripped the image right out of my head. From the past!

201 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 7:57:26pm

re: #185 Gus 802

He's digging up a comment from 2009? Dude needs to get a life.

He needs to face the facts. Love him or hate him Chairman Mao is studied by people throughout the world and by people in different professions. This is done for a multitude of reasons. He is studied by the US military for his military history, tactics, and what some would call his genius as a military strategist:

Mao site:usma.edu (West Point)

Mao site:*.mil (Military Sites)

Bravo, Gus. Those links make Charles' point exactly. Great finds.

202 sattv4u2  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 7:57:28pm

re: #198 BigPapa

That stain is proof global warming is a hoax.

Level 9 Sarc/

They always said he was "wood"en!!

203 swamprat  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 7:58:41pm

re: #197 RogueOne

[Video]

Missionary...normal mode

Non-missionary...please refer to the charts

204 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 7:59:14pm

re: #199 Alouette

Good week, honcos.

Did you ever have some gadget or small appliance, rarely used, that you always have to move aside to get to something else.

Then, when you decide that you are actually going to use this gadget, you can't find it?

Just weirod.

totally. i know we have one of those little egg slicers, you know, a little clamshell with wires...slicing hard-boiled eggs for salads?

made a spinach salad to go with my bbq chicken last night and i looove a salad full of hard-boiled egg.

slicer - nowhere. gone. poof.

205 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 7:59:21pm

re: #190 Varek Raith

We Aes Sedai will take care of you...

206 Varek Raith  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 7:59:46pm

re: #200 JasonA

It's like they ripped the image right out of my head. From the past!


"Thousands of years ago..."

207 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 8:00:00pm

re: #184 Floral Giraffe

Just sent ya one...

208 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 8:00:20pm

re: #188 marjoriemoon

Thanks. Anyone know what they are?

209 Firstinla  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 8:01:17pm

re: #208 Rightwingconspirator

Mostly yellow birds?

210 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 8:01:27pm

re: #208 Rightwingconspirator

Second one is a male goldfinch. I suspect first one is an immature male, he's yellow, but no black bars.

211 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 8:01:34pm

re: #196 iceweasel

Hi
She is kicking that cold's butt. Resting now...

212 What, me worry?  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 8:01:57pm

re: #185 Gus 802

Charles has many opinions about many different topics and none of them are communist. It's just an insane accusation. Talk about trolling for comments.

The one thing Charles has never, ever, done is use language the way McCain does. Not even come close. Interestingly enough, those who can't see that use the same language. What a shocka.

213 Gus  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 8:02:42pm

re: #201 Dark_Falcon

Bravo, Gus. Those links make Charles' point exactly. Great finds.

Thanks. Like they say about "studying the devil." Doesn't mean you worship "him." Of course within the context of 1st Amendment protection people are still free to do as such.

You ever wonder why people don't really talk much about what Wernher von Braun did between during WW2?

214 Gus  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 8:03:07pm

re: #213 Gus 802

Thanks. Like they say about "studying the devil." Doesn't mean you worship "him." Of course within the context of 1st Amendment protection people are still free to do as such.

You ever wonder why people don't really talk much about what Wernher von Braun did between during WW2?

PIMF

215 sattv4u2  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 8:03:50pm

re: #214 Gus 802

PIMF

Thanks ,, for a moment there I thought I missed one of them!!

//

216 pharmmajor  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 8:04:17pm

I personally hope that McCain gets canned for these remarks. Hell, they're about as offensive as what Helen Thomas said, and while I'm a free speech advocate, the bastard's got it coming to him.

217 Gus  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 8:04:24pm

re: #215 sattv4u2

Thanks ,, for a moment there I thought I missed one of them!!

//

Between during!

//

218 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 8:05:03pm

re: #209 Firstinla

Yeah, yellow, yellow greenish

219 Firstinla  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 8:05:10pm

re: #210 Floral Giraffe

Second one is a male goldfinch. I suspect first one is an immature male, he's yellow, but no black bars.

I sit outdoors with my bird book and binoculars. Usually all I can come up with is "That was just a yellow bird." The books seems to specialize in yellow birds...or maybe its that just a lot of birds are yellow. I keep promising myself that I'm going to do the Audubon field trips. One of these days...

220 What, me worry?  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 8:05:20pm

re: #210 Floral Giraffe

Second one is a male goldfinch. I suspect first one is an immature male, he's yellow, but no black bars.

Could be, but his head is black. He looks more oriole to me, but I could be wrong.

221 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 8:06:45pm

re: #213 Gus 802

Thanks. Like they say about "studying the devil." Doesn't mean you worship "him." Of course within the context of 1st Amendment protection people are still free to do as such.

You ever wonder why people don't really talk much about what Wernher von Braun did between during WW2?

People doing talk about his work on the V2, its just that the US made a decision to give him a pass on his crimes in exchange for his skills.

222 sattv4u2  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 8:06:55pm

re: #210 Floral Giraffe

re: #220 marjoriemoon

Could be, but his head is black. He looks more oriole to me, but I could be wrong.

Doesn't matter. I bet it tastes like chicken either way!!

223 sattv4u2  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 8:08:00pm

re: #221 Dark_Falcon

People doing talk about his work on the V2, its just that the US made a decision to give him a pass on his crimes in exchange for his skills.

Thats the old saw about why we won the cold war that started post WW2

"OUR" German scientists were better than the USSR's German scientists!

224 BARACK THE VOTE  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 8:08:20pm

That masseuse in re: Gore:

She added, "He had a dramatic display of violent temper as well as an extremely dictatorial commanding attitude besides his Mr. Smiley Global Warming concern persona. "
J6H

I suspect ratfucking. If she wasn't already getting encouragement, money and support from some anti-AGW group, you can bet they're falling over themselves now to help her behind the scenes.

(I'm not commenting on the truth of the allegations as I haven't been following it. Note that the above can still be true-- anti-AGW types helping her out-- even if the incident happened exactly as she claimed.)

225 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 8:08:32pm

re: #220 marjoriemoon

Quick skittish little guys, I have about a dozen blurry images of them taking off or flying bush to bush. Used the telephoto and cropped in.

226 swamprat  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 8:08:54pm

re: #213 Gus 802

Thanks. Like they say about "studying the devil." Doesn't mean you worship "him." Of course within the context of 1st Amendment protection people are still free to do as such.

You ever wonder why people don't really talk much about what Wernher von Braun did between during WW2?

Once rockets go up, who cares where they come down? That's not mine department, says Wernher Von Brown!

227 Gus  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 8:09:00pm

re: #221 Dark_Falcon

People doing talk about his work on the V2, its just that the US made a decision to give him a pass on his crimes in exchange for his skills.

Which was exactly the case. He could have faced prison time but instead that was put aside because of his rocket expertise. This caused some controversy from time to time.

228 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 8:09:39pm

re: #207 Rightwingconspirator

Replied

229 Firstinla  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 8:10:37pm

re: #222 sattv4u2

re: #220 marjoriemoon


Doesn't matter. I bet it tastes like chicken either way!!

I notice that most people coat or marinate the chicken before its cooked so that it doesn't taste like chicken. I'm not sure what chicken is supposed to taste like but it probably tastes like rattlesnake.

230 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 8:11:07pm

re: #220 marjoriemoon

Could be, but his head is black. He looks more oriole to me, but I could be wrong.

Nope, WAY too small to be an oriole. I mostly "see" them by hearing their sounds, then locating the bird. Parents were avid bird watchers. I'm not. Like them, don't choose to spend time hunting them down.

231 What, me worry?  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 8:11:13pm

re: #225 Rightwingconspirator

Quick skittish little guys, I have about a dozen blurry images of them taking off or flying bush to bush. Used the telephoto and cropped in.

It's a great picture! Birds are hard to catch on film. We have neighborhood peacocks. I keep saying I'm going to post them and never do. I should fix that.

232 Gus  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 8:11:17pm

re: #226 swamprat

[Video]Once rockets go up, who cares where they come down? That's not mine department, says Wernher Von Brown!

Excellent. That helps make the point.

233 sattv4u2  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 8:11:42pm

re: #229 Firstinla

I notice that most people coat or marinate the chicken before its cooked so that it doesn't taste like chicken. I'm not sure what chicken is supposed to taste like but it probably tastes like rattlesnake.

I've had rattlesnake

it doesn't taste like chicken. More like a mild sirloin steak tip

234 Kronocide  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 8:12:40pm

re: #224 iceweasel

That masseuse in re: Gore:

I suspect ratfucking. If she wasn't already getting encouragement, money and support from some anti-AGW group, you can bet they're falling over themselves now to help her behind the scenes.

(I'm not commenting on the truth of the allegations as I haven't been following it. Note that the above can still be true-- anti-AGW types helping her out-- even if the incident happened exactly as she claimed.)

That is a grotesquely pragmatic view of the situation. Except, of course, the ratfucking. Not to be ruled out, but it seems not likely that any rat was actually copulated....

235 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 8:13:02pm

re: #224 iceweasel

That masseuse in re: Gore:

I suspect ratfucking. If she wasn't already getting encouragement, money and support from some anti-AGW group, you can bet they're falling over themselves now to help her behind the scenes.

(I'm not commenting on the truth of the allegations as I haven't been following it. Note that the above can still be true-- anti-AGW types helping her out-- even if the incident happened exactly as she claimed.)

agree. i had perch last week that was less fishy...

236 What, me worry?  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 8:13:04pm

re: #230 Floral Giraffe

Nope, WAY too small to be an oriole. I mostly "see" them by hearing their sounds, then locating the bird. Parents were avid bird watchers. I'm not. Like them, don't choose to spend time hunting them down.

Ahh well, I'll take your word for it!

237 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 8:13:15pm

re: #220 marjoriemoon

[Link: identify.whatbird.com...]

They're bigger than a mocking bird, about the size of a Scrub Blue Jay...
Goldfinches, smaller than a house finch.

238 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 8:13:38pm

re: #224 iceweasel

That masseuse in re: Gore:

I suspect ratfucking. If she wasn't already getting encouragement, money and support from some anti-AGW group, you can bet they're falling over themselves now to help her behind the scenes.

(I'm not commenting on the truth of the allegations as I haven't been following it. Note that the above can still be true-- anti-AGW types helping her out-- even if the incident happened exactly as she claimed.)

Isn't there some kind of privileged communication masseuse/massee? HIPPA Standard?

239 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 8:14:23pm

re: #190 Varek Raith

GOD DAMMIT!
FIRST YOU ALL SMEAR SITH!
THEN, VAMPIRES!
ARGHHH!!!
Sith Vampire flounce!
///

But vampires suck, literally.

Besides according to Anne Rice they are all kinda questionable as far as their sexuality anyway (so "sucking" should probably not be too much of a shock). And then all this Sith stuff with "My Master" and such just reeks of homosexual bondage stuff...

I mean, it isn't that I'm necessarily against your "Sith lifestyle" but...I think perhaps you need to be honest about exactly what it entails.

/// :p

240 RogueOne  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 8:14:50pm

re: #235 Aceofwhat?

agree. i had perch last week that was less fishy...


She only wants a million bucks, she sounds legit.

241 RogueOne  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 8:15:17pm

re: #238 Decatur Deb

Isn't there some kind of privileged communication masseuse/massee? HIPPA Standard?

There is no expectation of privacy when asking for a belly massage. State Law.

242 Vicious Babushka  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 8:15:19pm

re: #204 Aceofwhat?

totally. i know we have one of those little egg slicers, you know, a little clamshell with wires...slicing hard-boiled eggs for salads?

made a spinach salad to go with my bbq chicken last night and i looove a salad full of hard-boiled egg.

slicer - nowhere. gone. poof.

I've been looking for my sushi mat, but now that you mention it, I can't find the egg slicer either.

243 Firstinla  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 8:15:44pm

We have a lot of California quail around here and today I say the summer's first batch of hatchlings...about a dozen or so. They run so fast it's hard to count them. It's awesome how protective the male is.

244 sattv4u2  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 8:16:03pm

re: #240 RogueOne

She only wants a million bucks, she sounds legit.

re: #241 RogueOne

There is no expectation of privacy when asking for a belly massage. State Law.

With the size of his belly, a million sounds just about right!!

//

245 sattv4u2  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 8:16:34pm

re: #242 Alouette

I've been looking for my sushi mat, but now that you mention it, I can't find the egg slicer either.

It's with the sushi mat!

246 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 8:17:11pm

re: #241 RogueOne

There is no expectation of privacy when asking for a belly massage. State Law.

We're falling behind South Korea.

247 swamprat  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 8:17:19pm

re: #234 BigPapa

Why do my ears keep perking up?

248 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 8:17:23pm

And since the Stalkers have started in with the anti-Iceweasel "twocatsfucking" meme again, I post the standard Dark_Falcon response to such bilge:

249 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 8:19:02pm

re: #227 Gus 802

Which was exactly the case. He could have faced prison time but instead that was put aside because of his rocket expertise. This caused some controversy from time to time.

As well it should. We made the right call, but its not something to be proud of.

250 What, me worry?  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 8:20:12pm

re: #229 Firstinla

I notice that most people coat or marinate the chicken before its cooked so that it doesn't taste like chicken. I'm not sure what chicken is supposed to taste like but it probably tastes like rattlesnake.

Frog's legs taste like chicken, but they're totally creepy looking on a plate. I had them once... blech

Have you had alligator? It's chewy, like conch. I only had that once, too. (But I like conch).

251 BARACK THE VOTE  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 8:20:24pm

re: #194 Gus 802

Could you imagine Wingnut World 2.0?

"OK, from now on. For the maintenance of utmost virtue of our nation's citizens and military personnel, the teaching of all topics regarding Mao Tse-tung shall be prohibited."

"Next week we ban all studies of Isoroku Yamamoto."

Heh.

Test. If this works it's going to come in handy.

252 Kronocide  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 8:20:26pm

re: #248 Dark_Falcon

My wife loves it when I do that. Almost as much as when I put my dirty skivvies in the hamper.

253 Gus  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 8:20:30pm

For groping? Allegedly four years ago? lol That's too much.

254 swamprat  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 8:20:45pm

re: #242 Alouette

I've been looking for my sushi mat, but now that you mention it, I can't find the egg slicer either.

In the 1800's, several people named "Ambose" disappeared. They must like egg salad.

255 Gus  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 8:20:55pm
256 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 8:21:10pm

re: #242 Alouette

I've been looking for my sushi mat, but now that you mention it, I can't find the egg slicer either.

no sushi? Lord, take me now;)

257 swamprat  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 8:21:25pm

re: #250 marjoriemoon


Pressure cooker.

258 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 8:21:41pm

re: #243 Firstinla

I miss seeing them. The land has been developed, and they have moved on.
Used to see hillsides of them. Beautiful birds.

259 sattv4u2  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 8:22:08pm

re: #250 marjoriemoon

Frog's legs taste like chicken, but they're totally creepy looking on a plate. I had them once... blech

Have you had alligator? It's chewy, like conch. I only had that once, too. (But I like conch).

I've had alligator a number of times (we have a place in the South Carolina "low country") Depends on how it's prepared. One place we go to makes it as you stated. Another lets it stew and it's very tender

260 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 8:22:11pm

Back on Al Gore again, eh?

I guess because Al Gore is a fallible human being, that means we don't need to worry about global warming.

Whew. What a relief.

261 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 8:22:42pm

re: #251 iceweasel

Heh.

Test. If this works it's going to come in handy.

Needs a locking nut....
Just saying...

262 zora  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 8:22:48pm

re: #240 RogueOne

keeping clothing with dna in a safe deposit box. safer than the stock market it seems.

263 sattv4u2  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 8:23:01pm

re: #256 Aceofwhat?

no sushi? Lord, take me now;)

We have a name for sushi at the beach

BAIT

264 Gus  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 8:23:57pm

re: #248 Dark_Falcon

And since the Stalkers have started in with the anti-Iceweasel "twocatsfucking" meme again, I post the standard Dark_Falcon response to such bilge:

[Video]

Yeah, another night of the stalkers circle jerking each other and discussing their pending divorce cases.

265 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 8:24:02pm

re: #251 iceweasel

[Link: www.letsbuyit.co.uk...]

266 BARACK THE VOTE  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 8:25:05pm

re: #248 Dark_Falcon

And since the Stalkers have started in with the anti-Iceweasel "twocatsfucking" meme again, I post the standard Dark_Falcon response to such bilge:


[Video]

Cheers, but I couldn't care less what they say or do.
Short of posting people's home addresses and making a death threat, that is.

Also, in my opinion it's better to not discuss them at all. They thrive on the attention and it's intensely boring for new people here (too inside blogball). Starve them of attention and oxygen, sez I.

But it's very sweet of you to be looking out for me like that DF. {DF}

267 Firstinla  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 8:25:43pm

re: #258 Floral Giraffe

There is a covy of probably two hundred quail in the bushes up behind the house. We used to sit out on deck and try to count them but never got very far. I especially enjoy it when the babies are brought out for the first time. Talk about overly protective parents! Been told that only one percent actually make it to adulthood. Red tail hawks pretty rule the skies and ground around here.

268 Kronocide  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 8:25:48pm

re: #260 Charles

The story of Al Gore isn't the story of Al Gore. The story is the story of Al Gore.

Fallible = everything he says is bullshit.

Paulian and Palian l0GiC.

269 What, me worry?  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 8:26:12pm

re: #259 sattv4u2

I've had alligator a number of times (we have a place in the South Carolina "low country") Depends on how it's prepared. One place we go to makes it as you stated. Another lets it stew and it's very tender

I think it's probably bad to eat them, although I know they breed them now. It just doesn't sit well with me. I think the only edible part is the tail?

I've only tried them fried. A little gamey too. I'm not a venison fan either.

270 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 8:26:16pm

re: #265 Floral Giraffe

[Link: www.letsbuyit.co.uk...]

Commie metric nut.

271 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 8:26:43pm

re: #263 sattv4u2

We have a name for sushi at the beach

BAIT

my palette is a big tent, my friend. from alligator to sushi, from taco bell to lamb, if it was a higher order animal than an insect, i probably love it!

272 Kronocide  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 8:27:05pm

re: #268 BigPapa

Paulian and Palian l0GiC.

I meant to say Palien...

273 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 8:27:26pm

re: #267 Firstinla

You're very lucky! I think they will come to eat cracked corn, but it's been a long time.

274 sattv4u2  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 8:27:32pm

re: #271 Aceofwhat?

my palette is a big tent, my friend. from alligator to sushi, from taco bell to lamb, if it was a higher order animal than an insect, i probably love it!

what do you have against insects?

BUGIST!!!

275 sattv4u2  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 8:27:59pm

re: #273 Floral Giraffe

You're very lucky! I think they will come to eat cracked corn, but it's been a long time.

so will Jimmy!

276 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 8:28:04pm

re: #270 Decatur Deb

Commie metric nut.

LOL!

277 sattv4u2  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 8:28:14pm

re: #273 Floral Giraffe

re: #275 sattv4u2

so will Jimmy!

But I don't care!

278 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 8:28:52pm

re: #266 iceweasel

Cheers, but I couldn't care less what they say or do.
Short of posting people's home addresses and making a death threat, that is.

Also, in my opinion it's better to not discuss them at all. They thrive on the attention and it's intensely boring for new people here (too inside blogball). Starve them of attention and oxygen, sez I.

But it's very sweet of you to be looking out for me like that DF. {DF}

Thanks, Ice. I know that you can take care of yourself, its just that I like to mock haters. They're toxic and by mocking them i try to rob them of their ability to make others feel as bad as they do.

279 Vicious Babushka  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 8:29:07pm

re: #245 sattv4u2

It's with the sushi mat!

I know how to find it. I will go out and buy another one. Then I will have two!

280 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 8:29:08pm

re: #127 Charles

A most excellent post from Marc Cooper on Roger Simon and Pajamas Media:

[Link: marccooper.com...]

It's nice to see LGF still making waves after all these years.
Cheers!

281 sattv4u2  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 8:29:54pm

re: #279 Alouette

I know how to find it. I will go out and buy another one. Then I will have two!

I have a tool chest full of duplicates for that very reason!

282 BARACK THE VOTE  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 8:30:33pm

re: #261 Floral Giraffe

Needs a locking nut...
Just saying...

You go to blog with the image you have, not the one you wish you had. /

It's from the Marc Cooper piece Charles recommended earlier about the total collapse of PJM into rabid insanity.

283 swamprat  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 8:30:50pm

re: #268 BigPapa

The story of Al Gore isn't the story of Al Gore. The story is the story of Al Gore.

Fallible = everything he says is bullshit.

Paulian and Palian l0GiC.

You know, I am certainly no fan of AlGore, but he has undeniably made an impact.

284 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 8:30:54pm

re: #231 marjoriemoon

Oh please do! Post and page em.

285 firstinla  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 8:32:22pm

re: #281 sattv4u2

I have a tool chest full of duplicates for that very reason!

Now...where did put that chest....

286 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 8:32:40pm

'Nite, all.

287 Vicious Babushka  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 8:33:00pm

Oh, in case you were all breathless to know, the chocolate pie was delicious!

I tend to have a problem with custard fillings that don't set, but this filling was nice and thick. Just perfect!

The oreo crust was a bit rich, I think next time I will just make a plain graham cracker crust.

288 Spricio  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 8:33:05pm

I know i'm a little late but....Charles, you da man!

289 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 8:33:10pm

re: #267 Firstinla

There is a covy of probably two hundred quail in the bushes up behind the house. We used to sit out on deck and try to count them but never got very far. I especially enjoy it when the babies are brought out for the first time. Talk about overly protective parents! Been told that only one percent actually make it to adulthood. Red tail hawks pretty rule the skies and ground around here.

They've even taken up residence in Chicago. They hurt pigeons and also seagulls.

290 Bagua  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 8:33:18pm

World leaders meet in Toronto for the G20 Summit. Protests turn violent as agitators dressed in black riot and burn a Police Car.


291 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 8:33:20pm

re: #282 iceweasel

You go to blog with the image you have, not the one you wish you had. /

It's from the Marc Cooper piece Charles recommended earlier about the total collapse of PJM into rabid insanity.

Heh!
We do work with the tools we have!

292 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 8:33:43pm

re: #231 marjoriemoon

Oh and thank you. I like the challenge, and honestly the new camera/lens mix has really helped. These weekend excursions are really just a light jam/practice session for me. Stress relief.

293 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 8:34:14pm

The grilled Mahi came out perfect! Served with rice and a salad of shredded carrots, mint and green onion. Yum!

294 darthstar  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 8:34:53pm

re: #290 Bagua

World leaders meet in Toronto for the G20 Summit. Protests turn violent as agitators dressed in black riot and burn a Police Car.

[Video]

Silly anarchists...they show up everywhere with the objective of creating violence...ends up diluting the message of the other protesters.

295 RogueOne  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 8:35:08pm

Night all. Stay safe, no belly rubs or rat copulating in my absence.

296 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 8:35:48pm

re: #293 Killgore Trout

Did you use a plank after all?

297 sattv4u2  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 8:36:27pm

re: #290 Bagua

World leaders meet in Toronto for the G20 Summit. Protests turn violent as agitators dressed in black riot and burn a Police Car.

[Video]

The woman that walks through the scene 1:30 in. I think I should take her in to protective custody!!
//

298 Kronocide  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 8:36:40pm

re: #283 swamprat

You know, I am certainly no fan of AlGore, but he has undeniably made an impact.

Al Gore was (hopefully) the last of my dogmatic reactions to an issue because of a person. He's a dolt, a board, and probably not going to ever get my vote. But I am guilty of denying AGW for a further period of time because he was a proponent of the theory, and I was against him. That was my bad. He is on the right side of the issue even if he's on the wrong side of tactics or tact.

I'll still make fun of him if it amuses me, at his expense. But whether he was a ratfucker, literally or figuratively, means shit.

299 BARACK THE VOTE  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 8:36:50pm

re: #278 Dark_Falcon

Thanks, Ice. I know that you can take care of yourself, its just that I like to mock haters. They're toxic and by mocking them i try to rob them of their ability to make others feel as bad as they do.

I know. You're a sweetheart and a good guy DF.

They're only a small collection of mentally ill wingnut beardos, though. Sometimes I even feel bad for them, in the abstract, because they all have mental problems and extremely fucked up personal lives.

But truthfully, they're just haters who don't deserve even our spit. Meh.

300 lostlakehiker  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 8:37:55pm

re: #166 Dark_Falcon

"MrPaulRevere" over at the Other Place put up a post asking about how I could support Charles in light of a comment Charles made about Mao-Tse Tung. As this post did not hurl insults at me, I'm going to answer. Here's the link to the post he's bringing up:

'MPR' insinuated that there was something wrong with this post. Quite the contrary. Mao was a monster and Charles has never said anything to indicate that he feels otherwise. However, Charles was saying that even that monster had some worthwhile insights. That is not a problematic statement at all. MrPaulRevere, your interpretation is in error. But since you did not insult me, I have worked to not insult you. But Charles is no fool, but instead is an intelligent and insightful man.


Absolutely. There is no disgrace in recognizing that an evil man may have martial virtues, and a certain genius. "Evil genius" is a stock phrase, but the genius part can be for real.

301 Varek Raith  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 8:38:01pm

2,379,463bbl.
:(

302 darthstar  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 8:38:26pm

re: #290 Bagua

"One protester threw a pick-axe through the window of a bank like a tomahawk while his posse cheered." Tomahawk? Posse?

303 firstinla  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 8:38:39pm

I think there should be an annual LGF buffet. We could all come anonymously dressed as our favorite wing nut. I'd recognize Summer immediately.

304 Vicious Babushka  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 8:39:10pm

re: #303 firstinla

I think there should be an annual LGF buffet. We could all come anonymously dressed as our favorite wing nut. I'd recognize Summer immediately.

We should all come dressed as our avatars.

305 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 8:39:14pm

re: #296 Rightwingconspirator

Did you use a plank after all?

Nope, I was brave and did it right on the grill about 4 inches above the coals. About 4 minutes per side. Very minor sticking and lost no chunks when flipping. The came out perfectly cooked.

306 Varek Raith  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 8:39:32pm

re: #304 Alouette

We should all come dressed as our avatars.

I win.
:)

307 Bagua  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 8:39:54pm

re: #302 darthstar

"One protester threw a pick-axe through the window of a bank like a tomahawk while his posse cheered." Tomahawk? Posse?

Yo! Tomahwk Posse representing Toronto.

308 swamprat  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 8:40:01pm

re: #304 Alouette

We should all come dressed as our avatars.

The furries would go nuts.

309 Gus  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 8:40:03pm

re: #290 Bagua

World leaders meet in Toronto for the G20 Summit. Protests turn violent as agitators dressed in black riot and burn a Police Car.

[Video]

Cops seemed rather passive.

So yeah. Busting up storefronts of shops that are probably owned by sole proprietors. That makes a lot of sense.

310 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 8:40:41pm

re: #304 Alouette

I would bring my fire staff. Heh. Easy to recognize when lit.

311 Gus  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 8:42:00pm

re: #310 Rightwingconspirator

I would bring my fire staff. Heh. Easy to recognize when lit.

And I would have trouble fitting through doors. OK, that figures.

/

312 Bagua  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 8:42:21pm

G20 Crash The Meeting Toronto 2010

Rap Video by AnarkidChris calling out the Tomahawk Posse.

313 BARACK THE VOTE  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 8:42:24pm

re: #287 Alouette

Oh, in case you were all breathless to know, the chocolate pie was delicious!

I tend to have a problem with custard fillings that don't set, but this filling was nice and thick. Just perfect!

The oreo crust was a bit rich, I think next time I will just make a plain graham cracker crust.

Oh wow, that looks fantastic!! Saved!

I'm getting all domesticated and cooking a lot for Jimmah. I was just telling him I miss making him desserts. :-)

That recipe reminds me of this one from epicurious that I made:
Black-Bottom Raspberry Cream Pie

It uses chocolate graham crackers for the crust (and a LOT of butter). It's probably less sweet than the Oreo crust-- might be a nice compromise for you next time you make your chocolate cream one.

(read the comments at epi though for tweaks on the crust.)

314 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 8:42:51pm

re: #305 Killgore Trout

Good for you. I have been using grape seed oil to treat the grill for less sticking. But half of that is just patience, waiting for that moment when the meat releases the metal. Like meat or potatoes in a pan.

315 Varek Raith  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 8:43:09pm

re: #310 Rightwingconspirator

I would bring my fire staff. Heh. Easy to recognize when lit.


Link opens a save dialog for a .wav.
:)
[Link: www.fortunecity.com...]

316 sattv4u2  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 8:43:28pm

re: #287 Alouette

re: #313 iceweasel

All this pie talk and FBV nowhere around!

317 firstinla  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 8:44:35pm

I've been experimtenting with the LGF cookbooks. And I've actually seen people enjoy the food. Buy the cookbooks and support freedom of speech!

318 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 8:45:54pm

re: #306 Varek Raith

I win.
:)

Ahem.
No.
I win!
///

319 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 8:46:13pm

re: #21 Floral Giraffe

From RSMcCains latest AS post

'One of the reasons why there are so few conservatives in America's newsrooms is because the profession of journalism is relentlessly derided by those who claim to speak for the conservative cause. '

He claims to speak for "the conservative cause?"
GAH!
HINT!
Racism is not a conservative value.

Wait, he's actually blaming the lack of conservative journalists on conservatives being mean to journalists?

My head, my poor head.

320 Gus  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 8:46:29pm

So everyone focuses on the anarchists and ignores what's actually happening inside the G20 summit.

Congratulations to the kiddies in their black hoodies: mission accomplished.

Oh yeah. And AnarkidChris post his propaganda videos at the multi-billion dollar global corporate site Google/Youtube.

Humans.

321 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 8:46:41pm

re: #27 HappyWarrior

I don't know if they fire him or not but it's gonna be interesting considering that many on the right called for Dave Weigel's head in the past week.

Yes, but their feelings were hurt by Weigel.

322 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 8:48:12pm

re: #299 iceweasel

LOL!
*waves*
Can't post a *smooch* it'd make the haters heads hurt!

323 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 8:48:17pm

re: #31 b_sharp

When I was at FR, there was a lot of peeking under kilts checking for true Scotmen and accusations of RINOhood. Once I got past the ROTFLMAO, it made me curious, is there such a thing as a DINO, and if not, why not?

Interesting question.

There's more kilt-checking on the farther left--there is such a thing as a PINO, and practically everyone is one.

Then there's the Blue Dogs.

324 freetoken  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 8:49:41pm

re: #320 Gus 802

So everyone focuses on the anarchists and ignores what's actually happening inside the G20 summit.

Beer!

Besides that, I'm not sure anything much is really happening backstage.

325 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 8:49:43pm

re: #43 Killgore Trout

OT: I'm always paranoid about grilling fish. It usually doesn't end up well for me. Over cooked, undercooked or falls apart and falls into the fire. I'm really tempted to throw this on the grill tonight. Think it'll work? Any advice?

That sounds delicious.

326 windsagio  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 8:50:44pm

re: #320 Gus 802

That's kinda the irony of these protests these days, barring something insane happening, people always draw the exact opposite conclusion from them that the protesters want.

327 Gus  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 8:51:28pm

re: #324 freetoken

Beer!

Besides that, I'm not sure anything much is really happening backstage.

Just another photo-op? I see they came out with some warning to North Korea basically duplicating what's been said by the UN and countless other organizations.

328 Bagua  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 8:52:59pm

Toronto Mounted Riot Police ride by in formation.

LuckyPeter888 This is a actual footage that i film in downtown Toronto during the G20 Riot 這是非常難得的機會下讓我這樣近距離拍到加拿大防暴特種步隊在G20會議的騷亂情境

329 Targetpractice  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 8:53:27pm

re: #327 Gus 802

Just another photo-op? I see they came out with some warning to North Korea basically duplicating what's been said by the UN and countless other organizations.

Speakin' of the NorKs, has there been any official response to their demand that we fork over $75 trillion (with a "t") to them?

330 Gus  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 8:53:44pm

re: #326 windsagio

That's kinda the irony of these protests these days, barring something insane happening, people always draw the exact opposite conclusion from them that the protesters want.

Very much. I think the old speak ins, speeches, signage, and a peaceful protest can help convey the message better. Or perhaps an organized concert.

331 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 8:54:00pm

Well done, Charles.

Expose it.

Sunlight will kill it. (I hope)

332 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 8:54:24pm

re: #167 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Yeah, I heard Darth Dick Cheney was taken to the hospital. Anybody heard what's up with that?

No...wasn't clear to me what happened. He has had a series of ongoing heart issues, and he's just an older guy.

Anyone else know?

333 Gus  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 8:54:45pm

re: #329 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Speakin' of the NorKs, has there been any official response to their demand that we fork over $75 trillion (with a "t") to them?

Haven't heard. I'm sure they won't get an answer. It's the usual silly North Korean stuff. I think it was 65 trillion USD.

334 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 8:54:47pm

re: #322 Floral Giraffe

LOL!
*waves*
Can't post a *smooch* it'd make the haters heads hurt!

How about a smooch and a *smack* ?

335 sattv4u2  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 8:55:04pm

re: #329 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Speakin' of the NorKs, has there been any official response to their demand that we fork over $75 trillion (with a "t") to them?

Well,, as long as we're printing all those extra dollars ,, why not!!

//

336 lostlakehiker  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 8:55:55pm

re: #260 Charles

Back on Al Gore again, eh?

I guess because Al Gore is a fallible human being, that means we don't need to worry about global warming.

Whew. What a relief.

Well, Gore is a liar when it comes to global warming. He has done the cause of raising the alarm some temporary good and permanent harm. By his lies he has made it that much more difficult for the truth to be heard, and the truth is that AGW is a genuine danger even IF the Antarctic ice cap isn't going to melt and drown FLA any time soon.

The science of AGW is sound and convincing. Exaggerations, chicken-little scenarios, and hockey sticks for which the data is lost or forged don't help the case. In the public imagination, they undercut it or even destroy it. The public reasons that if "the scientists"--and they count Gore as one---are false in one thing then they are false in all.

But no amount of human mendacity in service to "noble goals" can undo the realities. Glaciers are in retreat. Spring does come earlier. The arctic sea ice is also waning. CO2 levels are up, and the physics of CO2 includes an absorption spectrum that does help trap outgoing IR radiation from the earth that would otherwise more easily escape into space then and there.

337 sattv4u2  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 8:56:00pm

re: #331 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

SEE ,, you guys started talking about PIE, look who shows up!!

338 zora  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 8:56:12pm

re: #309 Gus 802

i wish they could have it in singapore. these people tearing shit up could use a good ass whipping. or caning in this case.

339 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 8:56:29pm

re: #213 Gus 802

Thanks. Like they say about "studying the devil." Doesn't mean you worship "him." Of course within the context of 1st Amendment protection people are still free to do as such.

You ever wonder why people don't really talk much about what Wernher von Braun did between during WW2?

Except for Tom Lehrer.

340 Gus  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 8:57:03pm

re: #338 zora

i wish they could have it in singapore. these people tearing shit up could use a good ass whipping. or caning in this case.

I think there's another one coming up in November in South Korea. That could get really ugly.

341 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 8:57:49pm

re: #337 sattv4u2

There's pie?

342 freetoken  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 8:57:53pm

re: #327 Gus 802

Just another photo-op?

Probably. They're attempting to coordinate financial policies so that the recovery from the multi-nation recession won't be cut off before it really gets started. We're trying to get the Europeans to be a bit looser with their money and not play hardball on Greece, etc. The Chinese already did their thing by deciding on floating (more than it had been) their currency.

343 Targetpractice  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 8:57:55pm

re: #333 Gus 802

Haven't heard. I'm sure they won't get an answer. It's the usual silly North Korean stuff. I think it was 65 trillion USD.

The Prez seems to be a far better man than I. Were I in his place, upon hearing such a "demand," I'd not only tell them (in the most diplomatic fashion) to go to Hell, I'd give them directions.

344 sattv4u2  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 8:59:16pm

re: #341 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

There's pie?

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

345 Bagua  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 8:59:48pm

YouTube Generation attends G20 Toronto Riot.

The police showed remarkable restraint and did not use their clubs.

346 sattv4u2  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 9:00:11pm

re: #343 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

The Prez seems to be a far better man than I. Were I in his place, upon hearing such a "demand," I'd not only tell them (in the most diplomatic fashion) to go to Hell, I'd give them directions a ride.

:)

347 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 9:00:57pm

RS McCain is getting frisky again on Twitter. Repeating his racial slurs with glee.

348 What, me worry?  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 9:01:31pm

re: #336 lostlakehiker

Really? No one considers Gore a scientist. He's made it his public life's work, 30 years of it, promoting environment and technology.

What in "Inconvenient Truth" is forged? Did you even watch it?

349 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 9:02:15pm

re: #336 lostlakehiker

Well, Gore is a liar when it comes to global warming. He has done the cause of raising the alarm some temporary good and permanent
harm.

Not so much. He is generally correct in his science and honestly if anything, Inconvienient Truth was too conservative.

By his lies he has made it that much more difficult for the truth to be heard, and the truth is that AGW is a genuine danger even IF the Antarctic ice cap isn't going to melt and drown FLA any time soon.

Ummm we are expecting 1.5 to 2 meters by 2100. With storm surges that will cause some 500 million to 1 billion refugees alone world wide.

The science of AGW is sound and convincing. Exaggerations, chicken-little scenarios,

The actual science is much worse than chicken little.

and hockey sticks for which the data is lost or forged don't help the case.

Are you tripping? No data was ever forged. How can you say that? Endless inquiries have exonerated falsely slandered scientists.

In the public imagination, they undercut it or even destroy it. The public reasons that if "the scientists"--and they count Gore as one---are false in one thing then they are false in all.

So then why are you repeating discredited denier talking points?

350 Vicious Babushka  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 9:02:20pm

re: #341 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

There's pie?

Chocolate pie!

351 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 9:02:22pm

re: #336 lostlakehiker

Well, Gore is a liar when it comes to global warming. He has done the cause of raising the alarm some temporary good and permanent harm.

Bullshit.

352 Ayeless in Ghazi  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 9:02:45pm

re: #81 Gus 802

Is it all right if we call him Boney Pantload?

/

Image: 4069059003_e34db28be1_b.jpg

He looks like what folks round these parts would call a "pure jakey bastard". (Jakey being a superannuated ned, basically)

353 Gus  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 9:02:48pm

re: #343 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

The Prez seems to be a far better man than I. Were I in his place, upon hearing such a "demand," I'd not only tell them (in the most diplomatic fashion) to go to Hell, I'd give them directions.

Nothing will come of this. Technically we could always say they refused to "sign the contract" or surrender. Heck, they could have remained a Communist nation for decades now and had been a part of the civilized world. Perhaps something like the People's Republic of China. Instead, it was they that decided to take the route of being the kingdom Kim Jong-il.

354 ryannon  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 9:03:23pm

re: #213 Gus 802

Thanks. Like they say about "studying the devil." Doesn't mean you worship "him." Of course within the context of 1st Amendment protection people are still free to do as such.

You ever wonder why people don't really talk much about what Wernher von Braun did during WW2?


"We Aim for the Stars"

(But sometimes we hit London)

355 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 9:03:28pm

Big OT.

Boyfriend is having some sensation. (NOT IN BED!) (well, I guess he is in bed)

May be nothing; they told us not to get our hopes up.

Yeah. Right.

356 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 9:03:50pm

re: #336 lostlakehiker

This whole post is complete crap. Who do you think you're trying to kid?

357 b_Snark  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 9:03:55pm

re: #304 Alouette

We should all come dressed as our avatars.

I do every day.

358 sattv4u2  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 9:04:16pm

re: #347 Charles

RS McCain is getting frisky again on Twitter. Repeating his racial slurs with glee.

Do you think he's now just doing it to tweak you (and others)?
he's already (tried to) set up his plausible deniability ("Lopez says that word ,, so ,,,,,,")

359 ryannon  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 9:04:51pm

What is this 'avatar' you speak of?

360 BARACK THE VOTE  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 9:05:27pm

re: #336 lostlakehiker

You're really off the rails lately. Sheesh.

361 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 9:06:16pm

re: #332 SanFranciscoZionist

No...wasn't clear to me what happened. He has had a series of ongoing heart issues, and he's just an older guy.

Anyone else know?

Well he saw Gasland, which everyone should see, and upon realizing the untold suffering to thousands of Americans that he caused, the force of guilty conscience got to him.

Who am I kidding? I bet that some Van Helsing got too close with a stake.

362 Targetpractice  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 9:06:37pm

re: #354 ryannon

"We Aim for the Stars"

(But sometimes we hit London)

Braun was like a lot of other scientists in the employ of the Third Reich: "Yeah, I don't exactly agree with the politics, and I don't like the Jew hatred. But they're funding my research (even if it's to make weapons), so I'll wear the armband and make the right noises."

363 freetoken  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 9:06:43pm

re: #348 marjoriemoon

R
What in "Inconvenient Truth" is forged? Did you even watch it?

The problem I had with the movie is that it was too personal, and thus too much about him and his family.

Regarding the science in the film - it was no worse than most of the stuff that once sees on TV. Very simplified, not fully explained, and presented as "ta-dah, presto" rather than as a result of many decades of work.

It was Gore who helped, when he was in the Senate, to bring James Hansen's testimony and similar stuff to prominence. In that Gore did good work.

I know many conservatives won't forgive Gore for taking the 2000 election to court, but in the end he accepted the result. I don't blame Gore for trying, for he had clearly won the majority of the vote nation wide and it was only our state system of electing presidents that got GWB into office.

364 sattv4u2  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 9:06:47pm

re: #355 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Big OT.

Boyfriend is having some sensation. (NOT IN BED!) (well, I guess he is in bed)

May be nothing; they told us not to get our hopes up.

Yeah. Right.

Big upding

Monday night, the mens club at my church will be saying a special prayer for him to kick of our monthly meeting

365 Gus  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 9:07:31pm

Looks like Al Gore causes rabies in humans.

//

366 Bagua  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 9:07:46pm

Another G20 Toronto Riot Music Video

367 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 9:08:29pm

re: #364 sattv4u2

Thanks.

368 ryannon  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 9:09:08pm

re: #362 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Braun was like a lot of other scientists in the employ of the Third Reich: "Yeah, I don't exactly agree with the politics, and I don't like the Jew hatred. But they're funding my research (even if it's to make weapons), so I'll wear the armband and make the right noises."

Well, yeah.

Actually, the title of his book (published in 1960) was, "I Aim for the Stars"

369 sattv4u2  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 9:09:09pm

re: #367 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Thanks.

not even a problem. Wish there were more we could do!

370 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 9:09:25pm

re: #362 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Braun was like a lot of other scientists in the employ of the Third Reich: "Yeah, I don't exactly agree with the politics, and I don't like the Jew hatred. But they're funding my research (even if it's to make weapons), so I'll wear the armband and make the right noises."

He was worse than that. If you want to be properly horrified you need to look into the SS run V-2 assembly facilities at Mittelbau-Dora.

371 Achilles Tang  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 9:10:05pm

re: #336 lostlakehiker

Well, Gore is a liar when it comes to global warming. He has done the cause of raising the alarm some temporary good and permanent harm. By his lies he has made it that much more difficult for the truth to be heard, and the truth is that AGW is a genuine danger even IF the Antarctic ice cap isn't going to melt and drown FLA any time soon.

WTF?

How many contradiction are allowed in one short paragraph anyway?

Smart ass innuendos don't count.

372 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 9:10:12pm

re: #317 firstinla

I've been experimtenting with the LGF cookbooks. And I've actually seen people enjoy the food. Buy the cookbooks and support freedom of speech!

Hooray!

373 ryannon  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 9:10:21pm

re: #370 LudwigVanQuixote

He was worse than that. If you want to be properly horrified you need to look into the SS run V-2 assembly facilities at Mittelbau-Dora.

I'm sure he would have used the standard, "I never knew" response.

374 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 9:10:23pm

re: #304 Alouette

We should all come dressed as our avatars.

You mean I have to wear a kitten outfit? Well ok, but it will be an obviously male kitten, perhaps with built in "real life action." :p

375 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 9:11:03pm

re: #355 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Big OT.

Boyfriend is having some sensation. (NOT IN BED!) (well, I guess he is in bed)

May be nothing; they told us not to get our hopes up.

Yeah. Right.

Damn, that sounds positive.

Trying not to get my hopes up on this end, but doesn't sound like it could be a BAD sign.

376 BARACK THE VOTE  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 9:11:31pm

re: #365 Gus 802

Looks like Al Gore causes rabies in humans.

//

Hahaha. Can a get a little espresso to go with all this foam? Need a latte.

/latte liberals unite!

377 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 9:11:47pm

re: #373 ryannon

I'm sure he would have used the standard, "I never knew" response.

Not so much. He regularly checked on production. We simply paper clipped him. We can argue that we would not have had the Mercury program without him, but honestly, it was a deal with the Devil.

378 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 9:11:54pm

re: #368 ryannon

Well, yeah.

Actually, the title of his book (published in 1960) was, "I Aim for the Stars"

"One the rockets go up, who cares where they come down..."

379 b_Snark  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 9:12:16pm

re: #336 lostlakehiker

Well, Gore is a liar when it comes to global warming. He has done the cause of raising the alarm some temporary good and permanent harm. By his lies he has made it that much more difficult for the truth to be heard, and the truth is that AGW is a genuine danger even IF the Antarctic ice cap isn't going to melt and drown FLA any time soon.

The science of AGW is sound and convincing. Exaggerations, chicken-little scenarios, and hockey sticks for which the data is lost or forged don't help the case. In the public imagination, they undercut it or even destroy it. The public reasons that if "the scientists"--and they count Gore as one---are false in one thing then they are false in all.

But no amount of human mendacity in service to "noble goals" can undo the realities. Glaciers are in retreat. Spring does come earlier. The arctic sea ice is also waning. CO2 levels are up, and the physics of CO2 includes an absorption spectrum that does help trap outgoing IR radiation from the earth that would otherwise more easily escape into space then and there.

Where did Gore lie? What data for the graphs was lost? What makes you believe the Antarctic is not melting?

Sounds to me you have fallen for the misinformation spread by the denialsphere without investigating their points more fully, and have only grudgingly accepted the truth of AGW.

380 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 9:12:18pm

This is how McCain is defending himself:

@Lizardoid In the context of #GER "kraut" and #ENG "limey" then how shall I describe #MEX?

[...]

@Lizardoid As for "faggot," well -- did you know John Edwards is a soccer fan? I think that's what Ann Coulter said. Maybe I misunderstood.

381 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 9:12:25pm

re: #376 iceweasel

Hahaha. Can a get a little espresso to go with all this foam? Need a latte.

/latte liberals unite!

Damn straight baby. We really need the Coffee House to wash out the Teabaggs.

382 freetoken  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 9:12:55pm

Speaking of Gore, science, movies, and the American public - what almost always bothers me when watching American-made "science" documentaries is how superficial the subject at hand is treated, as if getting into the details of the process is just too much to handle.

I much prefer the BBC documentaries, though they sometimes fall down on the job too.

Yes, the occasional NOVA show does a good job, but even that very long running series can fall into the "sciencetainment" trap.

383 ryannon  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 9:13:09pm

re: #378 SanFranciscoZionist

"One the rockets go up, who cares where they come down..."


As long as they came down on England.

384 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 9:13:12pm

re: #325 SanFranciscoZionist

That sounds delicious.

It came out very well on the grill. Mahi seems to be a pretty forgiving fish to cook and easy to flip on the BBQ. It's also pretty cheap at Trader Joes.

385 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 9:13:55pm

re: #380 Charles

This is how McCain is defending himself:

Hmm, he might be fucked after all.

386 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 9:14:07pm

re: #382 freetoken

Speaking of Gore, science, movies, and the American public - what almost always bothers me when watching American-made "science" documentaries is how superficial the subject at hand is treated, as if getting into the details of the process is just too much to handle.

I much prefer the BBC documentaries, though they sometimes fall down on the job too.

Yes, the occasional NOVA show does a good job, but even that very long running series can fall into the "sciencetainment" trap.

Yeah it's like it is a sin to talk to the American people like they are adults. Then again given the number of them that think Palin is clever....

387 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 9:14:07pm

re: #380 Charles

This is how McCain is defending himself:

In other words, 'heh, heh, heh'?

388 Targetpractice  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 9:14:17pm

re: #370 LudwigVanQuixote

He was worse than that. If you want to be properly horrified you need to look into the SS run V-2 assembly facilities at Mittelbau-Dora.

I have, on multiple television programs and in various books. And I agree that it is truly horrifying, not only as an example of man's inhumanity to his fellow man, but also the human cost of the many advances that typified the Third Reich. The Soviets and Imperial Japanese did barbaric things to prisoners and their own countrymen alike, but they were never as...organized or callous about it as the Nazis were.

389 ryannon  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 9:14:33pm

re: #377 LudwigVanQuixote

Not so much. He regularly checked on production. We simply paper clipped him. We can argue that we would not have had the Mercury program without him, but honestly, it was a deal with the Devil.

I believe he was one of several (many?) Nazi scientists who were brought over to continue their research in the U.S.

390 Bagua  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 9:15:08pm

I Love Riots


- Jonathan Quayle Higgins III


Dodge the pepper bomb, rubber bullets from the gun,
Even if there were a bit of anarchistic punks,
Mace isnt wasted on college kids faces.
Woke up today and all I could say is:
(Chorus)
Man, I love college. (Hey!)
I love swat teams. (Hey!)
I love airborne toxins. (Hey!)
I love college. (Hey!)

391 What, me worry?  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 9:15:19pm

re: #363 freetoken

The problem I had with the movie is that it was too personal, and thus too much about him and his family.

Regarding the science in the film - it was no worse than most of the stuff that once sees on TV. Very simplified, not fully explained, and presented as "ta-dah, presto" rather than as a result of many decades of work.

It was Gore who helped, when he was in the Senate, to bring James Hansen's testimony and similar stuff to prominence. In that Gore did good work.

I know many conservatives won't forgive Gore for taking the 2000 election to court, but in the end he accepted the result. I don't blame Gore for trying, for he had clearly won the majority of the vote nation wide and it was only our state system of electing presidents that got GWB into office.

I'm not going to discuss the 2000 election here. But that's what the crux of the Gore hate is about, I wager.

The movie was to target people who knew nothing or little about global warming. It was to bring the topic to the public, not a presentation to the scientific community, yet it was packed with that information.

He showed his own personal history because he's been at it for 30 years along with clean air, clean water, a host of other environmental concerns along with telecommunications and technology. It's been his life's work when most of us were either in diapers or grade school. So forgive me if I don't accept your criticism.

392 bratwurst  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 9:15:34pm

re: #370 LudwigVanQuixote

He was worse than that. If you want to be properly horrified you need to look into the SS run V-2 assembly facilities at Mittelbau-Dora.


I was there to pay my respects about 2 years ago...very well done memorial site absolutely worth a visit for anyone in this off the beaten path part of Germany.

393 Gus  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 9:15:44pm

re: #376 iceweasel

Hahaha. Can a get a little espresso to go with all this foam? Need a latte.

/latte liberals unite!

I don't understand the derangement. I never saw the movie. He's barely said a word about AGW for months now. He lost the court challenge in 2000 and Bush ended up victorious. His marriage is in the swamps and now he has that ridiculous allegation dating back to 2006.

394 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 9:15:50pm

re: #389 ryannon

I believe he was one of several (many?) Nazi scientists who were brought over to continue their research in the U.S.

Look up paper clip. Seriously.

If you want to truly vomit you can then look up the history of Shiro Ishi and unit 731.

But, don't look into that now if you want to sleep.

395 lostlakehiker  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 9:15:58pm

re: #349 LudwigVanQuixote

So then why are you repeating discredited denier talking points?

If it wasn't forged, it was lost. The "hockey stick" work is a most unfortunate misstep since it provides talking points for the other side, and talking points that cannot be shot down by simply insisting that all the science is perfect. it's not.

It doesn't have to be, because the science is robust. The evidence is massive and overwhelming.

Denier talking points are, unfortunately, some of them true. They're lies nonetheless, from a certain point of view, since they don't prove what they're said to prove. But our work would be easier if there were no blemishes whatever in our case.

396 sattv4u2  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 9:16:07pm

re: #389 ryannon

I believe he was one of several (many?) Nazi scientists who were brought over to continue their research in the U.S.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

397 Achilles Tang  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 9:17:01pm

re: #382 freetoken

Speaking of Gore, science, movies, and the American public - what almost always bothers me when watching American-made "science" documentaries is how superficial the subject at hand is treated, as if getting into the details of the process is just too much to handle.

Either you watch only the ones on a FOX network (I presume there must be a few), or you think only scientific peer review publications should be allowed on TV.//

398 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 9:17:48pm

re: #395 lostlakehiker

If it wasn't forged, it was lost. The "hockey stick" work is a most unfortunate misstep since it provides talking points for the other side, and talking points that cannot be shot down by simply insisting that all the science is perfect. it's not.

This is complete bullshit. You're either lying or drastically misinformed.

399 ryannon  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 9:17:55pm

re: #394 LudwigVanQuixote

Look up paper clip. Seriously.

If you want to truly vomit you can then look up the history of Shiro Ishi and unit 731.

But, don't look into that now if you want to sleep.


I believe you mean the documentary entitled "Paper Clips"

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

400 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 9:18:04pm

If it's brown it's cooked, if it's black it's fooked.

401 Targetpractice  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 9:18:19pm

re: #377 LudwigVanQuixote

Not so much. He regularly checked on production. We simply paper clipped him. We can argue that we would not have had the Mercury program without him, but honestly, it was a deal with the Devil.

In hindsight, we can shake our heads at the practice, but we have to remember that the Soviets were gobbling up men and technology from the Reich as quickly as we were. They basically ripped up entire factories, down to the smallest parts, and carted them back to Mother Russia to rebuild and upgrade their own forces. The scientists were given their own Faustian bargain: Work for us or spend the rest of your days in Siberia (if you even make it that far).

402 Achilles Tang  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 9:18:25pm

re: #390 Bagua

I Love Riots

[Video]
- Jonathan Quayle Higgins III

Dodge the pepper bomb, rubber bullets from the gun,
Even if there were a bit of anarchistic punks,
Mace isnt wasted on college kids faces.
Woke up today and all I could say is:
(Chorus)
Man, I love college. (Hey!)
I love swat teams. (Hey!)
I love airborne toxins. (Hey!)
I love college. (Hey!)

You missed out the refrain, "Don't tase me bro!"

403 freetoken  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 9:18:25pm

re: #391 marjoriemoon

It's been his life's work when most of us were either in diapers or grade school.

Yes. But if I remember correctly he kept brining in his family (sister) and the problems they had with tobacco. I get what he was trying to do (in drawing parallels between AGW-denialism and tobacco-denialism). It just seemed to be too much to me.

404 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 9:18:29pm

re: #382 freetoken

Watched all 3 (so far) through the wormhole. Oh if more could only be that good!!!

405 swamprat  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 9:18:33pm

Koolaid latte, frothy, not stirred.
Hold the drama.

"Reactionary" is not just a right-wing phenomena.

406 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 9:18:35pm

re: #370 LudwigVanQuixote

He was worse than that. If you want to be properly horrified you need to look into the SS run V-2 assembly facilities at Mittelbau-Dora.

I read about that. Most of the civilians killed by the V2's were people worked to death by the Germans to construct the rockets.

407 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 9:18:54pm

re: #334 ludwigvanquixote

How about a smooch and a *smack* ?

Please, Sir.

408 Gus  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 9:19:13pm

re: #400 Killgore Trout

If it's brown it's cooked, if it's black it's fooked.

Unless it's Cajun blackened fish.

/

409 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 9:19:22pm

re: #349 LudwigVanQuixote

So then why are you repeating discredited denier talking points?

Whack!

410 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 9:19:29pm

re: #395 lostlakehiker

If it wasn't forged, it was lost.

What was lost? The original papers are very thorough about their methodology and data sets.

The "hockey stick" work is a most unfortunate misstep since it provides talking points for the other side, and talking points that cannot be shot down by simply insisting that all the science is perfect. it's not.

Ummm.... no one claims the proxy data is anything other than proxy data. Exactly what is the big issue you are alluding to without reference? The only thing that happened was the right wing lied long enough and loud enough that the gullible started to believe it.

It doesn't have to be, because the science is robust. The evidence is massive and overwhelming.

This is true.

Denier talking points are, unfortunately, some of them true. They're lies nonetheless, from a certain point of view,

No, they are pretty much all lies from start to finish really.

411 Bagua  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 9:19:32pm

Lone freak with scarf over his face taunts riot police guarding burning police car. People stand about videotaping on their cell phones and cameras, waiting for some action.

412 ryannon  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 9:19:56pm

re: #396 sattv4u2

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Oh yes, I knew he got a pass. I was just wondering how many others also received the same.

413 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 9:20:06pm

re: #399 ryannon

I believe you mean the documentary entitled "Paper Clips"

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

NO, I mean project Paper Clip. There have been may documentaries about it.

414 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 9:20:11pm

RSM now tweeting against tolerance.....

"You Have to Be Carefully Taught" as they say. Kids now get "tolerance" pounded in their heads 180 days/yr, K-12

We might just be watching an implosion.

415 freetoken  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 9:20:26pm

re: #397 Naso Tang

...or you think only scientific peer review publications should be allowed on TV.//

Ooohhh... peer-reviewed TV!

Now that would turn the media world upside down.

416 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 9:20:34pm

re: #408 Gus 802

Unless it's Cajun blackened fish.

/

Good point.

417 Achilles Tang  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 9:20:46pm

re: #400 Killgore Trout

If it's brown it's cooked, if it's black it's fooked.

That's smooked.

418 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 9:20:56pm

re: #409 Floral Giraffe

Whack!

Ohh and Ice is here too. She and I were hoping you would show up the other day ;)

419 BARACK THE VOTE  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 9:21:05pm

re: #393 Gus 802

I don't understand the derangement. I never saw the movie. He's barely said a word about AGW for months now. He lost the court challenge in 2000 and Bush ended up victorious. His marriage is in the swamps and now he has that ridiculous allegation dating back to 2006.

Marjorie nailed it in re the movie, in my opinion.

You should check it out, with the understanding that as marjorie says it was made for the widest audience possible and isn't going to be particularly satisfying, probably, for anyone already up on the science. I think the movie succeeds though.

I put off watching it too for years.

420 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 9:21:07pm

re: #417 Naso Tang

That's smooked.

Lol

421 Targetpractice  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 9:21:20pm

re: #414 Killgore Trout

RSM now tweeting against tolerance...

We might just be watching an implosion.

What we're watching is a man digging his own grave while deluding himself into believing he's actually defending himself.

422 Gus  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 9:21:27pm

re: #416 Killgore Trout

Good point.

Remember when that was a trend? Everybody was blackening just about anything. I had some blackened turkey once. Good stuff.

423 freetoken  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 9:21:51pm

re: #404 Rightwingconspirator

Watched all 3 (so far) through the wormhole. Oh if more could only be that good!!!

It's nicely produced and the narrator is an icon among narrators. I have mixed feelings about the content.

424 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 9:22:01pm

He's on a roll....

@solkleinsmith Please explain the difference between derogatory national terms: #CAN "canuck" #FRA France "frog" #ENG England "limey" and #MEX Mexico "beaner"
425 ryannon  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 9:22:20pm

re: #413 LudwigVanQuixote

NO, I mean project Paper Clip. There have been may documentaries about it.

My mistake: I googled 'Paper Clip' and got that as a result (without reading too far into it).

426 Achilles Tang  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 9:22:22pm

re: #415 freetoken

Ooohhh... peer-reviewed TV!

Now that would turn the media world upside down.

Excuse me. Scientist peer reviewed. AKA Nature publications. Sorry, I thought that was obvious.

427 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 9:22:23pm

re: #401 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

In hindsight, we can shake our heads at the practice, but we have to remember that the Soviets were gobbling up men and technology from the Reich as quickly as we were. They basically ripped up entire factories, down to the smallest parts, and carted them back to Mother Russia to rebuild and upgrade their own forces. The scientists were given their own Faustian bargain: Work for us or spend the rest of your days in Siberia (if you even make it that far).

And you are correct. I am not sorry for NASA.

428 What, me worry?  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 9:23:01pm

re: #403 freetoken

Yes. But if I remember correctly he kept brining in his family (sister) and the problems they had with tobacco. I get what he was trying to do (in drawing parallels between AGW-denialism and tobacco-denialism). It just seemed to be too much to me.

I haven't seen the movie since it came out, and I don't recall that. I'm sure it was there, it just wasn't memorable.

I also didn't mean to get snippy with you. It's late and I thought I was replying to lostlakehiker! I think Al Gore is a great man and the mistakes he's made in his life do not compare to the good he has done.

429 lostlakehiker  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 9:23:48pm

re: #379 b_sharp

Where did Gore lie? What data for the graphs was lost? What makes you believe the Antarctic is not melting?

Sounds to me you have fallen for the misinformation spread by the denialsphere without investigating their points more fully, and have only grudgingly accepted the truth of AGW.

The Arctic IS melting. So is the Antarctic. But the timeline is nowhere near Gore's.

I have been among the first to realize that this AGW was for real. The good science is convincing. There's a lot of it. But unfortunately we lose in the public sphere when we try to insist that all the AGW science has been sound. Science doesn't work that way. People make mistakes. People lie. (Remember Piltdown man. It didn't disprove evolution!) Science is put together so that we arrive at the truth even though we have mere mortals doing the work.

430 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 9:24:01pm

re: #401 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

In hindsight, we can shake our heads at the practice, but we have to remember that the Soviets were gobbling up men and technology from the Reich as quickly as we were. They basically ripped up entire factories, down to the smallest parts, and carted them back to Mother Russia to rebuild and upgrade their own forces. The scientists were given their own Faustian bargain: Work for us or spend the rest of your days in Siberia (if you even make it that far).

I'm afraid, among other things, that the practice led to a sort of normalizing of the Nazis that is still with us. I still see here, people insisting that our present enemies are more brutal, less civilized, less reachable than the Nazis or the Imperial Japanese.

It's difficult for me to understand how we've glossed over history to the point where we've forget what demons we fought and beat once.

431 Gus  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 9:24:12pm

re: #419 iceweasel

Marjorie nailed it in re the movie, in my opinion.

You should check it out, with the understanding that as marjorie says it was made for the widest audience possible and isn't going to be particularly satisfying, probably, for anyone already up on the science. I think the movie succeeds though.

I put off watching it too for years.

Maybe I will. I got a hunch though. I bet most of the critics of the movie never saw it.

432 BARACK THE VOTE  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 9:24:13pm

re: #405 swamprat

Koolaid latte, frothy, not stirred.
Hold the drama.

"Reactionary" is not just a right-wing phenomena.

Oh please. He's full of crap on this and you want to post passive aggressive jabs at me? As opposed to, I dunno, the ten or other so people also telling him he's lost it?

Feh.

433 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 9:24:33pm

re: #429 lostlakehiker

The Arctic IS melting. So is the Antarctic. But the timeline is nowhere near Gore's.

Yes it is happening faster.

434 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 9:25:01pm

re: #385 Killgore Trout

Hmm, he might be fucked after all.

Indeed. He can't even make a semi-apology and what he's saying right now is so nasty Glenn Beck wouldn't defend him.

435 Achilles Tang  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 9:25:37pm

re: #429 lostlakehiker

The Arctic IS melting. So is the Antarctic. But the timeline is nowhere near Gore's.

I have been among the first to realize that this AGW was for real. The good science is convincing. There's a lot of it. But unfortunately we lose in the public sphere when we try to insist that all the AGW science has been sound. Science doesn't work that way. People make mistakes. People lie. (Remember Piltdown man. It didn't disprove evolution!) Science is put together so that we arrive at the truth even though we have mere mortals doing the work.

Waffle waffle waffle.

436 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 9:25:41pm

re: #395 lostlakehiker

If it wasn't forged, it was lost.

It doesn't have to be true, you just have to be willing to say it. Next up: Gore eated it.

437 What, me worry?  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 9:25:44pm

re: #431 Gus 802

Maybe I will. I got a hunch though. I bet most of the critics of the movie never saw it.

Absolutely true.

438 b_Snark  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 9:25:45pm

re: #395 lostlakehiker

If it wasn't forged, it was lost. The "hockey stick" work is a most unfortunate misstep since it provides talking points for the other side, and talking points that cannot be shot down by simply insisting that all the science is perfect. it's not.

It doesn't have to be, because the science is robust. The evidence is massive and overwhelming.

Denier talking points are, unfortunately, some of them true. They're lies nonetheless, from a certain point of view, since they don't prove what they're said to prove. But our work would be easier if there were no blemishes whatever in our case.

It wasn't lost either. You are talking about the information that Phil Jones couldn't immediately produce about paleoclimate data from China. It had nothing to do with Mann's hockeystick graph, which by the way has been verified by at least 9 other studies, many of which did not rely solely on tree ring proxies, but included many more.

You have not done your homework.

439 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 9:26:23pm

re: #423 freetoken

In what way? I have found a few faults, but given the usual crapola out there- I'm giving a new show some room to work. Weirdly, my closes co worker is friends with one of the producers, a math whiz. He has said Morgan Freeman is genuinely into this stuff very well read.

BTW Freeman owns the rights to Rendezvous With Rama. Rumors about that project abound.

440 BARACK THE VOTE  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 9:26:34pm

re: #424 Killgore Trout

He's on a roll...

No doubt when (and if) RSM loses a job over this, he'll tell the world he meant for that to happen./

What a tool.

441 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 9:26:48pm

re: #403 freetoken

Yes. But if I remember correctly he kept brining in his family (sister) and the problems they had with tobacco. I get what he was trying to do (in drawing parallels between AGW-denialism and tobacco-denialism). It just seemed to be too much to me.

Could be, and I've not seen the movie. But I have to say that one of the things undercutting corporate attempts to tell me and other people my age that climate change isn't real is that we sat through years of the tobacco companies getting up in front of Congress and God and saying that cigarettes didn't addict or kill, as the data rolled in.

Is there a direct parallel? No, not really. But that is an early experience for me of being aware that people who had a financial or ideological stake would lie through their teeth about science and scientists.

442 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 9:27:42pm

re: #413 LudwigVanQuixote

NO, I mean project Paper Clip. There have been may documentaries about it.

This.

443 Gus  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 9:27:52pm

re: #405 swamprat

Koolaid latte, frothy, not stirred.
Hold the drama.

"Reactionary" is not just a right-wing phenomena.

Why do you say that? I was the one that made the rabies joke. Frothy latte was just an improv about rabies. No one said "right wing" anything. The point was and is that people get frothy over Al Gore. That's not a secret.

444 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 9:28:06pm

re: #440 iceweasel

No doubt when (and if) RSM loses a job over this, he'll tell the world he meant for that to happen./

What a tool.

Well, at least he's being stupid about it. That's good since he'll get fired. And him being read out of respectability would be a much-needed at of political hygiene.

445 Targetpractice  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 9:28:35pm

re: #430 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm afraid, among other things, that the practice led to a sort of normalizing of the Nazis that is still with us. I still see here, people insisting that our present enemies are more brutal, less civilized, less reachable than the Nazis or the Imperial Japanese.

It's difficult for me to understand how we've glossed over history to the point where we've forget what demons we fought and beat once.

I'd say it has a lot to do with the fact that people nowadays have a sort of disconnect with the horrors of that time in human history. Kinda like Jenjis Genghis Khan or the Crusades, it's just something that we see in history books and only black and white films, rather than something we experience in real life. Historical revision is a powerful force, especially when trying to blunt the blow of past atrocities or claim that modern ones are far worse.

446 Ayeless in Ghazi  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 9:28:39pm

"Hi everyone - my name is "Reality Bites". I like to downding photo posts. It feels good to me. But then, I'm a git."

447 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 9:29:15pm

re: #431 Gus 802

Maybe I will. I got a hunch though. I bet most of the critics of the movie never saw it.

I've just never got around to seeing it.

448 What, me worry?  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 9:29:22pm

re: #439 Rightwingconspirator

In what way? I have found a few faults, but given the usual crapola out there- I'm giving a new show some room to work. Weirdly, my closes co worker is friends with one of the producers, a math whiz. He has said Morgan Freeman is genuinely into this stuff very well read.

BTW Freeman owns the rights to Rendezvous With Rama. Rumors about that project abound.

We've been Tivoing this space series on the science channel that Freeman's been narrating. The one I managed to catch was about time travel. Some fascinating stuff.

449 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 9:29:40pm

re: #434 Dark_Falcon

Indeed. He can't even make a semi-apology and what he's saying right now is so nasty Glenn Beck wouldn't defend him.

I'm sure Glenn Beck would defend him.

450 What, me worry?  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 9:29:53pm

re: #441 SanFranciscoZionist

Could be, and I've not seen the movie. But I have to say that one of the things undercutting corporate attempts to tell me and other people my age that climate change isn't real is that we sat through years of the tobacco companies getting up in front of Congress and God and saying that cigarettes didn't addict or kill, as the data rolled in.

Is there a direct parallel? No, not really. But that is an early experience for me of being aware that people who had a financial or ideological stake would lie through their teeth about science and scientists.

Watch the flick. You'll like it.

451 freetoken  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 9:30:15pm

re: #428 marjoriemoon

I think Al Gore is a great man and the mistakes he's made in his life do not compare to the good he has done.

I'm not sure I'd call him a "great" man, but I agree that he has done some good. In his bringing environmental problems to greater prominence, and also some of the stuff he did as VP (such as trying to improve the efficiency of government agencies/departments.) In his legislative efforts there were some things I frowned upon - remember it was he (carrying out Tipper's wishes if not his own) who was a leading "conservative" voice against the media, etc.

Yet again, I hope that Gore fades into the sunset and enjoys whatever is left of his life, without the hassle the hate-o-sphere wants to dish out.

452 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 9:30:15pm

re: #436 goddamnedfrank

It doesn't have to be true, you just have to be willing to say it. Next up: Gore eated it.

Plus: border state prisons are filling up with Hezbollah agents.

453 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 9:30:27pm

re: #446 Jimmah

What inspired that?! I must have missed something good.

454 Interesting Times  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 9:30:44pm

re: #430 SanFranciscoZionist

It's difficult for me to understand how we've glossed over history to the point where we've forget what demons we fought and beat once.

Did you ever see this documentary? I saw it in university - very chilling and very relevant, especially in the current political climate:

"The Wave"

The movie “The Wave” is based on a novel by Morton Rhue and is based on a true story that happened in 1967 at Gordon High School in Palo Alto. The teacher starts an experiment with his students trying to show them how the Nazi regime was able to influence so many people and why no one stopped them.
455 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 9:30:56pm

re: #442 SanFranciscoZionist

This.

Sorry, THIS.

456 Achilles Tang  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 9:31:09pm

re: #440 iceweasel

No doubt when (and if) RSM loses a job over this, he'll tell the world he meant for that to happen./

What a tool.

Not that I know how this stuff works, other than income from ads (or Amazon percentages), but is this guy, RSM, actually "employed" by anyone?

457 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 9:31:16pm

re: #444 Dark_Falcon

Well, at least he's being stupid about it. That's good since he'll get fired. And him being read out of respectability would be a much-needed act of political hygiene.

PIMF

458 Gus  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 9:31:28pm

re: #449 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm sure Glenn Beck would defend him.

It is in this racist environment that President Obama has created that results in the legitimate patriotic expression that Robert Stacy McCain has communicated to us!!11ty

//

459 b_Snark  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 9:31:44pm

re: #429 lostlakehiker

The Arctic IS melting. So is the Antarctic. But the timeline is nowhere near Gore's.

I have been among the first to realize that this AGW was for real. The good science is convincing. There's a lot of it. But unfortunately we lose in the public sphere when we try to insist that all the AGW science has been sound. Science doesn't work that way. People make mistakes. People lie. (Remember Piltdown man. It didn't disprove evolution!) Science is put together so that we arrive at the truth even though we have mere mortals doing the work.

Answer the other two points please. I want to know where Gore lied, and what data was forged or lost from Mann's hockeystick graph? I am trying to understand where your information comes from, and why you accept it so I can supply you with more accurate information.

460 swamprat  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 9:31:46pm

re: #432 iceweasel

Oh please. He's full of crap on this and you want to post passive aggressive jabs at me? As opposed to, I dunno, the ten or other so people also telling him he's lost it?

Feh.

I did not mean to direct my passive-aggressive post exclusively at you. I was objecting to the excessive amount of animosity pointed at a pretty innocuous post.

I hope this is clear.

461 ryannon  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 9:31:59pm

re: #411 Bagua

Lone freak with scarf over his face taunts riot police guarding burning police car. People stand about videotaping on their cell phones and cameras, waiting for some action.


[Video]


"The Society of the Spectacle"

[Link: www.bopsecrets.org...]

462 What, me worry?  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 9:32:07pm

re: #451 freetoken

I'm not sure I'd call him a "great" man, but I agree that he has done some good. In his bringing environmental problems to greater prominence, and also some of the stuff he did as VP (such as trying to improve the efficiency of government agencies/departments.) In his legislative efforts there were some things I frowned upon - remember it was he (carrying out Tipper's wishes if not his own) who was a leading "conservative" voice against the media, etc.

Yet again, I hope that Gore fades into the sunset and enjoys whatever is left of his life, without the hassle the hate-o-sphere wants to dish out.

Yea well, we all know what happened to Tipper.

I'm a Gore fan. I'm a Clinton fan. What can I tell ya.

463 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 9:32:30pm

re: #448 marjoriemoon

Challenges the intellect and imagination. I love it.

464 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 9:32:39pm

re: #454 publicityStunted

I've read the novel, never saw the film.

465 BARACK THE VOTE  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 9:32:41pm

re: #446 Jimmah

"Hi everyone - my name is "Reality Bites". I like to downding photo posts. It feels good to me. But then, I'm a git."

Yeah, I've spotted that guy lurking before and downdinging innocuous stuff-- presumably because he's a butthurt wingnut of some sort.

Whatever. Pretty funny he downdinged your pics of the empire state building though. lol.

466 b_Snark  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 9:32:51pm

re: #435 Naso Tang

Waffle waffle waffle.

No pancakes (flapjacks)? I feel ripped off.

467 freetoken  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 9:33:06pm

re: #441 SanFranciscoZionist

Is there a direct parallel? No, not really. But that is an early experience for me of being aware that people who had a financial or ideological stake would lie through their teeth about science and scientists.

There is more of a parallel than you may be aware - some of the same individuals/organizations have been involved in both.

When I critique AIT about the family/tobacco part I'm criticizing the theatrical quality, not the point that was being raised. It seemed to go on for too long in the movie and it felt too smarmy to me.

468 Ayeless in Ghazi  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 9:33:23pm

re: #453 Rightwingconspirator

What inspired that?! I must have missed something good.

Heh. I actually meant to post it in the comments on this page but was reading this thread as well and it ended up here.

469 Gus  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 9:33:25pm

re: #458 Gus 802

It is in this racist environment that President Obama has created that results in the legitimate patriotic expression that Robert Stacy McCain has communicated to us!!11ty

//

Oops. Left something out...

[cries]

470 Eclectic Infidel  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 9:33:33pm

re: #304 Alouette

We should all come dressed as our avatars.

No problemo there for me. I'll just take 1 Israeli flag and 1 rainbow flag and wrap 'em around me...like capes, back to back.

471 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 9:34:17pm

re: #462 marjoriemoon

Yea well, we all know what happened to Tipper.

I'm a Gore fan. I'm a Clinton fan. What can I tell ya.

Sadly, I am of the generation of Democrats who imprinted on Bill Clinton like a baby duck.

I suppose I will spend the rest of my life subliminally comparing each and every Democratic candidate to Bill.

472 Gus  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 9:34:45pm

re: #465 iceweasel

Yeah, I've spotted that guy lurking before and downdinging innocuous stuff-- presumably because he's a butthurt wingnut of some sort.

Whatever. Pretty funny he downdinged your pics of the empire state building though. lol.

JDS

473 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 9:35:16pm

re: #470 eclectic infidel

No problemo there for me. I'll just take 1 Israeli flag and 1 rainbow flag and wrap 'em around me...like capes, back to back.

Is that what you're wearing tomorrow?

474 What, me worry?  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 9:35:28pm

re: #471 SanFranciscoZionist

Sadly, I am of the generation of Democrats who imprinted on Bill Clinton like a baby duck.

I suppose I will spend the rest of my life subliminally comparing each and every Democratic candidate to Bill.

hehe He'll always be MY president :>

475 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 9:35:39pm

Speaking of films, absolutely everyone should watch Gasland.

[Link: www.pbs.org...]

476 bratwurst  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 9:35:44pm

re: #465 iceweasel


Whatever. Pretty funny he downdinged your pics of the empire state building though. lol.

Perhaps he suffers from pomfretphobia and seeing the Empire State Building brought back bad memories of King Kong?

477 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 9:35:53pm

re: #474 marjoriemoon

hehe He'll always be MY president :>

Well, him and Jed Bartlet.

478 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 9:36:18pm

Hmm, Iran is now claiming that Saudi Arabia is allowing the Israelis to set up a forward military base on their territory for an Israeli attack on Iran's nuclear sites.

I'm filing this one in the "what, do you think I'm nuts?" folder for now, although the middle east political climate has made for strange bed fellows I can't see the Saudi's aiding Israel directly like that.

479 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 9:36:22pm

re: #468 Jimmah

Heh. I actually meant to post it in the comments on this page but was reading this thread as well and it ended up here.

It's still appropriate.

Come on out, "Reality Bites"! You chickenshit stealth dinger!

480 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 9:37:38pm

re: #479 Dark_Falcon

This one isn't going to be dinging down innocuous posts any more.

481 BARACK THE VOTE  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 9:39:24pm

re: #460 swamprat

I did not mean to direct my passive-aggressive post exclusively at you. I was objecting to the excessive amount of animosity pointed at a pretty innocuous post.

I hope this is clear.

I don't consider AGW denial, or the propagation of anti-AGW propaganda, 'innocuous'.

This matters. For the entire world and future generations. You could make a case that being on the wrong side of this issue is the worst thing a human being can do for the future of the planet and humanity.

Feel free to start calling people 'reactionary' and 'hysterical' when they stress this. That's usually the next step in the playbook at this point.

I hope this is clear.

482 Eclectic Infidel  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 9:39:56pm

re: #473 SanFranciscoZionist

Is that what you're wearing tomorrow?

Fabulous though it might be, no. Just an "Israel" cap, an "Israel since 1948" T-shirt, and hopefully, I'll get to hold one of those rainbow Israeli flags we saw last year.

I am rather bummed we didn't order up more of the condoms to hand out though. I don't know if you saw them. They were properly sealed and on one side read,
"In Israel It's still Safe to Come."

483 lostlakehiker  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 9:40:32pm

re: #433 LudwigVanQuixote

Yes it is happening faster.

It's happening faster than scientists, most of whom are rightly conservative in their projections, projected. It's STILL happening a lot slower than what GORE was talking about. His movie "inconvenient truth" has been banned from classes in Britain following a court case in which it was established that he shaded the truth, to say the least.

The problems we face are real. They're coming faster than conservative (in the scientific sense) earlier warnings projected. The end state we can reach is worse than most people imagine.

But that doesn't make Gore's movie factual. It just isn't. He lied and quoted people as saying things they hadn't said. The movie is riddled with that sort of rubbish. We don't need that damned movie to make our case, and we shouldn't defend it. There is real evidence, and plenty of it.

In a few more years, at the rate things are going, we'll be able to point to the Northwest Passage as proof. The evidence keeps rolling in and it's already overwhelming. Why do we pin ourselves down defending bad data and bad science when we have good data and good science in profusion?

484 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 9:40:39pm

re: #471 SanFranciscoZionist

Sadly, I am of the generation of Democrats who imprinted on Bill Clinton like a baby duck.

I suppose I will spend the rest of my life subliminally comparing each and every Democratic candidate to Bill.

I honestly thought that he was just offering me a cigar, sigh...

485 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 9:41:37pm

re: #481 iceweasel

I don't consider AGW denial, or the propagation of anti-AGW propaganda, 'innocuous'.

This matters. For the entire world and future generations. You could make a case that being on the wrong side of this issue is the worst thing a human being can do for the future of the planet and humanity.

Feel free to start calling people 'reactionary' and 'hysterical' when they stress this. That's usually the next step in the playbook at this point.

I hope this is clear.

Actually let's go a little further. Denying AGW is either an act of blind faith in partisanship fueled by ignorance or simple evil. This will cause the deaths of billions. To understand the science, and not care, is simply evil. To lie to people in a way that will lead them to their doom is evil.

486 b_Snark  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 9:42:08pm

re: #441 SanFranciscoZionist

Could be, and I've not seen the movie. But I have to say that one of the things undercutting corporate attempts to tell me and other people my age that climate change isn't real is that we sat through years of the tobacco companies getting up in front of Congress and God and saying that cigarettes didn't addict or kill, as the data rolled in.

Is there a direct parallel? No, not really. But that is an early experience for me of being aware that people who had a financial or ideological stake would lie through their teeth about science and scientists.

Actually, there is a very strong parallel, including a very direct one, there are 'think tanks' (Advancement of Sound Science Coalition) and individuals (Spencer) active in the denial of AGW that were active in the tobacco misdirection.

487 swamprat  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 9:42:14pm

re: #481 iceweasel

He said the evidence was overwhelming. He had some minor issues with the public relations methods and some of the early data.
He gets treated like some sort of heretic.

488 BongCrodny  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 9:42:40pm

re: #441 SanFranciscoZionist

Is there a direct parallel? No, not really. But that is an early experience for me of being aware that people who had a financial or ideological stake would lie through their teeth about science and scientists.

No doubt this has been referenced here many times before, but it's certainly worth repeating:

"It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it."

-- Upton Sinclair

489 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 9:43:02pm

re: #465 iceweasel

re: #468 Jimmah

Oh man. What a jerk. Downding random stuff? There are a few commentless downdingers that I just find cowardly. I mean folks who never post. Just downers. Come on (for the most part) if you disagree enough to ding, say something.

One up from me and a comment on a similar issue we had around here...

490 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 9:45:21pm

re: #489 Rightwingconspirator

re: #468 Jimmah

Oh man. What a jerk. Downding random stuff?

This was definitely not random. It's someone carrying a grudge.

491 freetoken  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 9:45:43pm

re: #439 Rightwingconspirator

In what way? I have found a few faults, but given the usual crapola out there...

Well, it's a long discussion, longer than I want to get into right now.

To point: there has been some concern about the growing involvement of religious ideas and organizations into the realm of science. I'm not talking here of creationism (thought ID is an example of the problem.)

Peter Woit has written about this on his blog, especially about the involvement of John Templeton, who helps fund FQXi. (Woit had a brief appearance in the TV show btw.)

When I saw the show highlighting the work of Lisi (who has written of his experience being taped for the show) it seemed to me that the show had taken a turn deep into the speculative, going for a romantic view of science, not a hard one.

There is more, perhaps later I will expand on these.

492 What, me worry?  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 9:46:05pm

re: #482 eclectic infidel

Fabulous though it might be, no. Just an "Israel" cap, an "Israel since 1948" T-shirt, and hopefully, I'll get to hold one of those rainbow Israeli flags we saw last year.

I am rather bummed we didn't order up more of the condoms to hand out though. I don't know if you saw them. They were properly sealed and on one side read,
"In Israel It's still Safe to Come."

I didn't realize that clip was from Shalom TV. Does anyone here get Shalom TV? I've been requesting it from DirecTV for a few years now. We have some other channel, but as I recall, it was mostly advertisements and they didn't have to many shows. I don't remember the channel name now. I should look for it again.

493 freetoken  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 9:47:25pm

re: #486 b_sharp

... and individuals (Spencer) active in the denial of AGW that were active in the tobacco misdirection.

Did you mean Fred Singer?

494 Ayeless in Ghazi  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 9:47:59pm

re: #480 Charles

This one isn't going to be dinging down innocuous posts any more.

Thanks Charles. The fewer malignant weirdos we have around here the better.

495 What, me worry?  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 9:48:18pm

re: #483 lostlakehiker

I really want to know where he lied and where he misquoted. It would matter a great deal to me.

496 lostlakehiker  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 9:49:56pm

re: #486 b_sharp

Actually, there is a very strong parallel, including a very direct one, there are 'think tanks' (Advancement of Sound Science Coalition) and individuals (Spencer) active in the denial of AGW that were active in the tobacco misdirection.

There's a book that gives details. "Doubt is their product". In some cases, the exact same people working as hired guns to poison the public mind against science in general, so long as some of the doubt rubs off on this particular bit of science.

497 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 9:50:00pm

re: #480 Charles

This one isn't going to be dinging down innocuous posts any more.

Thank you.

And with the troll clubbed, it's time for me to head to bed. I was up early today, and I need to sleep longer at least one weekend day. So I will see you folks in the AM. Goodnight, all.

498 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 9:50:32pm

re: #495 marjoriemoon

I really want to know where he lied and where he misquoted. It would matter a great deal to me.

Well, see, unfortunately for lostlakehiker, Al Gore really did not lie in the movie. Was it overly popularized? Sure. It was intended for a mass audience.

But every time I've looked into one of the claims of a "lie" in the film, it's turned out to be a completely false accusation. The science in "An Inconvenient Truth" is basically sound.

499 Gus  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 9:50:57pm

re: #483 lostlakehiker

It's happening faster than scientists, most of whom are rightly conservative in their projections, projected. It's STILL happening a lot slower than what GORE was talking about. His movie "inconvenient truth" has been banned from classes in Britain following a court case in which it was established that he shaded the truth, to say the least.

The problems we face are real. They're coming faster than conservative (in the scientific sense) earlier warnings projected. The end state we can reach is worse than most people imagine.

But that doesn't make Gore's movie factual. It just isn't. He lied and quoted people as saying things they hadn't said. The movie is riddled with that sort of rubbish. We don't need that damned movie to make our case, and we shouldn't defend it. There is real evidence, and plenty of it.

In a few more years, at the rate things are going, we'll be able to point to the Northwest Passage as proof. The evidence keeps rolling in and it's already overwhelming. Why do we pin ourselves down defending bad data and bad science when we have good data and good science in profusion?

It's a documentary not a syllabus.

500 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 9:51:57pm

re: #491 freetoken

Well sure looking forward to when you might want to get into that. I think we'll have a good bit to get into. I welcome the juxtaposition of religion and science the way they have played it so far. IMHO.

501 prairiefire  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 9:52:40pm

re: #455 SanFranciscoZionist

Sorry, THIS.

Oh, my great aunt worked for a general as a civilian at the Pentagon at the start of WW2 through 1970. She was involved in weapons procurement, but was very vague about the details.
It might have been something to do with this.

502 BARACK THE VOTE  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 9:52:54pm

re: #489 Rightwingconspirator

Oh man. What a jerk. Downding random stuff?

I don't even know who that guy is or remember having any interaction with him ever. Has to be some previously banned freak creeping back in.

he lurked on the pages, mostly, and would downding completely innocuous stuff like me or Jimmah saying hello to someone or thanking them for a post. One at a time though, I guess so no one would catch him on spy.

And definitely it was on purpose and not random at all. Who does that kind of thing? So weird and sad. What a waste of one's existence.

503 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 9:53:07pm

re: #490 Charles

This was definitely not random. It's someone carrying a grudge.

The nic was a pretty good clue. Thanks for the cleanup.

504 b_Snark  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 9:54:20pm

re: #483 lostlakehiker

It's happening faster than scientists, most of whom are rightly conservative in their projections, projected. It's STILL happening a lot slower than what GORE was talking about. His movie "inconvenient truth" has been banned from classes in Britain following a court case in which it was established that he shaded the truth, to say the least.

The problems we face are real. They're coming faster than conservative (in the scientific sense) earlier warnings projected. The end state we can reach is worse than most people imagine.

But that doesn't make Gore's movie factual. It just isn't. He lied and quoted people as saying things they hadn't said. The movie is riddled with that sort of rubbish. We don't need that damned movie to make our case, and we shouldn't defend it. There is real evidence, and plenty of it.

In a few more years, at the rate things are going, we'll be able to point to the Northwest Passage as proof. The evidence keeps rolling in and it's already overwhelming. Why do we pin ourselves down defending bad data and bad science when we have good data and good science in profusion?

Here is a review from a climate scientist who is quite familiar with the Antarctic.

505 Ayeless in Ghazi  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 9:55:24pm

re: #499 Gus 802

It's a documentary not a syllabus.

For many on the right, giving Al Gore credit for anything is just out of the question. Not going to happen.

506 lostlakehiker  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 9:57:20pm

re: #224 iceweasel

That masseuse in re: Gore:

I suspect ratfucking. If she wasn't already getting encouragement, money and support from some anti-AGW group, you can bet they're falling over themselves now to help her behind the scenes.

(I'm not commenting on the truth of the allegations as I haven't been following it. Note that the above can still be true-- anti-AGW types helping her out-- even if the incident happened exactly as she claimed.)

Allegations like that should be taken with shakers-full of salt. And if, which I do not in the least believe, they were true, they would have nothing to do with AGW, or with the scientific merit or lack thereof of Gore's movie. As to the movie, whatever faults it may have cannot dispel the merit of the scientific proof that AGW is real and dangerous.

507 b_Snark  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 9:57:56pm

re: #483 lostlakehiker

It's happening faster than scientists, most of whom are rightly conservative in their projections, projected. It's STILL happening a lot slower than what GORE was talking about. His movie "inconvenient truth" has been banned from classes in Britain following a court case in which it was established that he shaded the truth, to say the least.

The problems we face are real. They're coming faster than conservative (in the scientific sense) earlier warnings projected. The end state we can reach is worse than most people imagine.

But that doesn't make Gore's movie factual. It just isn't. He lied and quoted people as saying things they hadn't said. The movie is riddled with that sort of rubbish. We don't need that damned movie to make our case, and we shouldn't defend it. There is real evidence, and plenty of it.

In a few more years, at the rate things are going, we'll be able to point to the Northwest Passage as proof. The evidence keeps rolling in and it's already overwhelming. Why do we pin ourselves down defending bad data and bad science when we have good data and good science in profusion?

By the way, nine 'errors' (each time the word error was used in the report it was surrounded by single quote) were found by the court and the film was not banned from being shown in Britain.

508 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 9:58:58pm

re: #504 b_sharp

Here is a review from a climate scientist who is quite familiar with the Antarctic.

Yep. The only scientific errors they point out at RealClimate are very minor ones. Apart from the minor errors, though, they agree with me that the science in the film is basically sound.

509 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 10:00:08pm

re: #508 Charles

Yep. The only scientific errors they point out at RealClimate are very minor ones. Apart from the minor errors, though, they agree with me that the science in the film is basically sound.

OF course it is.

510 b_Snark  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 10:01:01pm

re: #487 swamprat

He said the evidence was overwhelming. He had some minor issues with the public relations methods and some of the early data.
He gets treated like some sort of heretic.

He has repeated a number of denialist errors that exposes a lack of research. My only response has been a desire to correct those errors. I certainly have not treated anyone (today) like a heretic.

511 bratwurst  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 10:01:13pm

Once again, a lengthy back-and-forth on climate change here with NO reference to the contribution of flatulence to the problem? Sigh.

512 Gus  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 10:01:25pm

re: #505 Jimmah

For many on the right, giving Al Gore credit for anything is just out of the question. Not going to happen.

Still suffering from the tragic events that took place in 2000. You know, the one where, they won.

So, I haven't seen the movie but my impression is that it was created to provide an outline of global warming for general audiences and reflects a lot of information current to the year of production. The main point was to inspire people and not to be taken as I stated a syllabus or perhaps a text book -- although it is based on scientific facts. I think the film's website says it better:

From director Davis Guggenheim, An Inconvenient Truth is a passionate and inspirational look at former Vice President Al Gore's fervent crusade to halt global warming's deadly progress by exposing the myths and misconceptions that surround it. In this intimate portrait of Gore and his "travelling global warming show," Gore comes across as never before in the media - funny, engaging, open and intent on alerting citizens to this "planetary emergency" before it's too late.

513 b_Snark  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 10:02:24pm

re: #493 freetoken

Did you mean Fred Singer?

Yup.

Spencer is from UAH.

514 BARACK THE VOTE  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 10:02:33pm

re: #487 swamprat

He said the evidence was overwhelming. He had some minor issues with the public relations methods and some of the early data.
He gets treated like some sort of heretic.

"Al Gore is a liar".

That doesn't sound like a 'minor' issue for one.

And why the fuck are you complaining to me about how he's being treated? I made one very true and very short comment-- that he's really gone off the rails lately. If you'd been reading more of his posts, you'd know I'm telling the truth.

Then I make a silly joke to Gus about latte liberals, playing off the rabies comment-- and you come in here with your passive aggressive bullshit calling people (at the very least, me and Gus) 'koolaid drinkers' and 'reactionary'.

Take your issues up with someone else.

515 freetoken  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 10:04:16pm

re: #513 b_sharp

Yup.

Spencer is from UAH.

Yes. You may have confused Spencer's attachment to creationism (ID) with Singer's attachment to tobacco money.

516 Gus  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 10:05:05pm

It's like watching Carl Sagan's series. It's meant to inspire and educate. However, it is not a complete treatise of say, astrophysics or astronomy. You don't watch the complete series and earn a doctorate in astronomy. It's also not really an astronomical reference manual. Yet, it was very effective in inspiring many people on many levels.

517 ReamWorks SKG  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 10:05:18pm

Someone whose middle name is "Stacy" shouldn't be making fun of other people.

518 b_Snark  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 10:05:33pm

re: #511 bratwurst

Once again, a lengthy back-and-forth on climate change here with NO reference to the contribution of flatulence to the problem? Sigh.

Corks.

519 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 10:06:15pm

re: #511 bratwurst

Hence this need not be a non smoking zone. Thank goodness.

520 BARACK THE VOTE  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 10:06:21pm

re: #510 b_sharp

He has repeated a number of denialist errors that exposes a lack of research. My only response has been a desire to correct those errors. I certainly have not treated anyone (today) like a heretic.

Nobody has. This is someone's butthurt passive aggressive whining about there being 'too many liberals' on LGF. Period. Too chickenshit to state his objections clearly, so it's the 'let me post something mean about iceweasel/liberals/specific liberal poster' game.

Assholes.

521 What, me worry?  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 10:06:28pm

re: #507 b_sharp

By the way, nine 'errors' (each time the word error was used in the report it was surrounded by single quote) were found by the court and the film was not banned from being shown in Britain.

Here's a London Times article about the High Court Judge. He banned the film from being shown in schools because he feels Gore is an alarmist and the film was more political than scientific.

[Link: business.timesonline.co.uk...]

He says though that Gore is "broadly accurate". The Judge speculates on the drying of Chad Lake the loss of Kilimanjaro’s snows and dismisses manmade global warning as a reason, that climate scientists say there is no link. And that the polar bears are not drowning.

He ends the article with this, though:

Despite finding nine significant errors the judge said many of the claims made by the film were fully backed up by the weight of science. He identified “four main scientific hypotheses, each of which is very well supported by research published in respected, peer-reviewed journals and accords with the latest conclusions of the IPCC”.

In particular, he agreed with the main thrust of Mr Gore’s arguments: “That climate change is mainly attributable to man-made emissions of carbon dioxide, methane and nitrous oxide (‘greenhouse gases’).”

522 Gus  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 10:06:36pm

Watching NOVA could be another example.

523 prairiefire  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 10:08:13pm

re: #522 Gus 802

Watching NOVA could be another example.

NOVA is really good. I can feel the neurons firing when I watch it.

524 b_Snark  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 10:08:14pm

re: #515 freetoken

Yes. You may have confused Spencer's attachment to creationism (ID) with Singer's attachment to tobacco money.

No, I know the difference, I had Spencer on the mind because of the errors him and Christy were nailed on a while back, and even though I originally had the name Singer in mind for my comment I wrote Spencer.

525 Ayeless in Ghazi  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 10:08:50pm

re: #512 Gus 802

Still suffering from the tragic events that took place in 2000. You know, the one where, they won.

That's the weirdest thing about GDS. You really would think that Gore had completely stomped the GOP into the dirt in that one, given the magnitude of the butthurt he causes among wingnuts.

526 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 10:09:04pm

Al Gore's movie was NOT BANNED in Britain. This is another false talking point of the right wing.

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

527 Gus  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 10:12:16pm

re: #525 Jimmah

That's the weirdest thing about GDS. You really would think that Gore had completely stomped the GOP into the dirt in that one, given the magnitude of the butthurt he causes among wingnuts.

Anyone would have done what the Gore camp did. Had it been Bush in that position they would have done the same thing. That's the way I saw it. I was on the sidelines then.

Not saying who "deserved" to win but I think it's high time we scraped the Electoral College. It should be a straight popular vote.

528 b_Snark  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 10:13:30pm

re: #521 marjoriemoon

The government sent an updated guidance note specifying the actual science to the secondary schools. This allowed them to show the film.

529 prairiefire  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 10:13:49pm

re: #527 Gus 802

I disagree. I live in a less populated area than the East or West coast. I want my state to have an equal footing, even if it is a more conservative one.

530 bratwurst  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 10:13:50pm

re: #526 Charles

Al Gore's movie was NOT BANNED in Britain. This is another false talking point of the right wing.

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

Next you are going to tell me that Hollywood DIDN'T make a movie calling for the assassination of George W. Bush and Joe Biden ISN'T a drunk.

531 swamprat  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 10:14:08pm

re: #514 iceweasel

I actually made a generic post that did not mention you. You addressed it and I replied. I felt that LostLakerHiker could have been simply corrected and not vilified. I thought you joke was appropriate especially about the "froth". And I went with that. If you think that it is easy to take a stand defending an unpopular comment, reconsider. This was never against you, it was in defense of LostLakeHiker.

My issues, in this instance, run not so much to the right or left, but rather against ganging up on someone who posted a comment that was not accepted.

532 Racer X  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 10:14:11pm

Whats happening Lizards?

533 b_Snark  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 10:15:21pm

re: #532 Racer X

Whats happening Lizards?

A small Gorefest.

534 Gus  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 10:15:47pm

re: #526 Charles

Al Gore's movie was NOT BANNED in Britain. This is another false talking point of the right wing.

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

9 errors out of how many? I'm sure if we analyzed every textbook and film used in education we would find plenty of errors if not more. Heck, the Texas SBOE wants to make a couple of chapters "one giant error."

535 lostlakehiker  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 10:16:08pm

re: #298 BigPapa

Al Gore was (hopefully) the last of my dogmatic reactions to an issue because of a person. He's a dolt, a board, and probably not going to ever get my vote. But I am guilty of denying AGW for a further period of time because he was a proponent of the theory, and I was against him. That was my bad. He is on the right side of the issue even if he's on the wrong side of tactics or tact.

I'll still make fun of him if it amuses me, at his expense. But whether he was a ratfucker, literally or figuratively, means shit.

Your story is a perfect example of the kind of harm Gore has done. People naturally figure that if "they" have to fudge their case, then "they" are blowing smoke. It makes it just that much harder to penetrate to the truth of the matter.

Gore was right about this much---that AGW is real and it's dangerous.

536 Racer X  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 10:16:31pm

re: #533 b_sharp

A small Gorefest.

Well, he is in the news a lot lately. What did he do now?

537 prairiefire  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 10:16:57pm

re: #531 swamprat

How are you, Swamprat? You did the right thing regarding your dog. I have seen several dogs pass because of old age. It's best to get them to the end stage quickly.

538 BARACK THE VOTE  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 10:17:03pm

re: #512 Gus 802

Still suffering from the tragic events that took place in 2000. You know, the one where, they won.

They did the same with Kerry. To hear people talk about him now you'd think he must have murdered their best friend or something.

And why? Why still such an intensity of hatred for a failed POTUS candidate who even his own party was lukewarm about?

My theory is that it's the culmination of 90's hate radio and the mainstreaming of right wing eliminationist rhetoric about liberals.

Every enemy is always the worst enemy ever; nothing other than total annihilation can ever be enough. (This is also exactly what Richard Hofstader says in The Paranoid Style in American Politics too-- not coincidentally, the Birchers are back now too.)

539 Ayeless in Ghazi  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 10:17:38pm

re: #527 Gus 802

Anyone would have done what the Gore camp did. Had it been Bush in that position they would have done the same thing. That's the way I saw it. I was on the sidelines then.

Not saying who "deserved" to win but I think it's high time we scraped the Electoral College. It should be a straight popular vote.

I was on Gore's side on that one, but when he himself conceded it, it was clearly time for everyone to accept the result and move on. Agree with you on the popular vote.

540 b_Snark  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 10:17:50pm

re: #534 Gus 802

9 errors out of how many? I'm sure if we analyzed every textbook and film used in education we would find plenty of errors if not more. Heck, the Texas SBOE wants to make a couple of chapters "one giant error."

Here is an answer to those errors from a couple more climate scientists.

541 freetoken  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 10:18:14pm

re: #534 Gus 802

9 errors out of how many? I'm sure if we analyzed every textbook and film used in education we would find plenty of errors if not more.

Haeckel!!

Therefore, evolution is wrong!!

542 prairiefire  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 10:18:37pm

re: #529 prairiefire

Well, as equal as our electorial votes, anyway.

543 Gus  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 10:18:40pm

re: #540 b_sharp

Here is an answer to those errors from a couple more climate scientists.

Thanks!

Overall, our verdict is that the 9 points are not “errors” at all (with possibly one unwise choice of tense on the island evacuation point). But behind each of these issues lies some fascinating, and in some cases worrying, scientific findings and we can only applaud the prospect that more classroom discussions of these subjects may occur because of this court case.

544 b_Snark  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 10:18:56pm

re: #536 Racer X

Well, he is in the news a lot lately. What did he do now?

Had a movie made about his CC talks.

545 Stanghazi  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 10:19:03pm

Hi all! Grunion run @moonlight beach! I'm sitting here on the sand checking in with LGF! What a beautiful night!

546 prairiefire  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 10:19:35pm

re: #545 Stanley Sea

Enjoy, Stanley.

547 swamprat  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 10:20:03pm

re: #537 prairiefire

I'm ok. While everybody is Goring on and such, I have been trying to find and kill a small pale bug on my desk that might be a scorpion. I can't find him now.

548 Gus  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 10:20:14pm

re: #541 freetoken

Haeckel!!

Therefore, evolution is wrong!!

Punctuated equilibrium! I don't remember the exact citations they use for claiming that evolution is wrong. They do this by citing outdated evolutionary science.

549 b_Snark  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 10:20:31pm

re: #545 Stanley Sea

Hi all! Grunion run @moonlight beach! I'm sitting here on the sand checking in with LGF! What a beautiful night!

We need pics.

550 BARACK THE VOTE  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 10:21:03pm

re: #531 swamprat

I actually made a generic post that did not mention you. .

You already acknowledged that it was a passive aggressive slap at people here. Since you referenced the posts that Gus and I made, it is certain that you intended it to be read as about us.

Now please just fuck off and talk to someone else. IIRC you just lost a pet and I'm going to give you a pass today.

Be advised though that I've had it with the passive aggressive jabs and the concerted attempt to make liberals feel unwelcome that's been going on. I will continue to call that shit out when I see it.

551 zora  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 10:21:06pm

re: #538 iceweasel

They did the same with Kerry. To hear people talk about him now you'd think he must have murdered their best friend or something.

And why? Why still such an intensity of hatred for a failed POTUS candidate who even his own party was lukewarm about?

My theory is that it's the culmination of 90's hate radio and the mainstreaming of right wing eliminationist rhetoric about liberals.

Every enemy is always the worst enemy ever; nothing other than total annihilation can ever be enough. (This is also exactly what Richard Hofstader says in The Paranoid Style in American Politics too-- not coincidentally, the Birchers are back now too.)

that. and rap music.
/

552 Racer X  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 10:21:15pm

re: #545 Stanley Sea

Hi all! Grunion run @moonlight beach! I'm sitting here on the sand checking in with LGF! What a beautiful night!

Nice!

553 prairiefire  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 10:21:27pm

re: #547 swamprat

Please, do try to kill the scorpion.

554 b_Snark  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 10:22:01pm

re: #548 Gus 802

Punctuated equilibrium! I don't remember the exact citations they use for claiming that evolution is wrong. They do this by citing outdated evolutionary science.

Of course they don't even understand PuncEq.

But they're bound and determined that it proves Evilution wrong.

555 What, me worry?  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 10:22:44pm

re: #538 iceweasel

They did the same with Kerry. To hear people talk about him now you'd think he must have murdered their best friend or something.

And why? Why still such an intensity of hatred for a failed POTUS candidate who even his own party was lukewarm about?

My theory is that it's the culmination of 90's hate radio and the mainstreaming of right wing eliminationist rhetoric about liberals.

Every enemy is always the worst enemy ever; nothing other than total annihilation can ever be enough. (This is also exactly what Richard Hofstader says in The Paranoid Style in American Politics too-- not coincidentally, the Birchers are back now too.)

It's the Vietnam issue they have with Kerry.

Oddly enough, Gore volunteered and served in Vietnam, even though he was against the war, because if he went, it would be one less man to be drafted. You don't hear the Right talk about that at all.

556 Gus  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 10:22:59pm

re: #554 b_sharp

Of course they don't even understand PuncEq.

But they're bound and determined that it proves Evilution wrong.

Along with carbon dating.

557 prairiefire  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 10:24:08pm

There are folks on this board who really dislike Kerry. That's cool. We made due with him because he was the only date to the Prom.

558 Ben G. Hazi  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 10:24:22pm

re: #180 Charles

You're wasting your time. Those people could not care less about reason and logic.

And I really could not care less what they have to say about me -- unless they threaten my life again, in which case I will make sure to pursue every legal avenue available.

Which is why they flounced or got the boot from here in the first place, because they let their feelings rule them...when their sacred oxen were gored, they got all butthurt and upset.

559 b_Snark  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 10:24:36pm

re: #556 Gus 802

Along with carbon dating.

They have us dating dinosaurs with Carbon.

560 freetoken  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 10:24:40pm

re: #548 Gus 802

Haeckel-controversy is touched on in the wiki entry on him.

561 bratwurst  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 10:26:33pm

I have been hesitating to post this, but just in case someone would enjoy a new contender for the title of "mother of all birther videos" as a nightcap, here goes:

562 Gus  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 10:26:37pm

re: #560 freetoken

Haeckel-controversy is touched on in the wiki entry on him.

That's exactly what I was visualizing.

Image: File:Haeckel_Anthropogenie_1874.jpg

That's a frequent topic creationists use to argue against evolution.

563 Targetpractice  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 10:27:10pm

re: #555 marjoriemoon

It's the Vietnam issue they have with Kerry.

Oddly enough, Gore volunteered and served in Vietnam, even though he was against the war, because if he went, it would be one less man to be drafted. You don't hear the Right talk about that at all.

That's because they talked about the second point he brought up as to why he went: Because going into the NG/reserves or even skipping the country would have looked bad for daddy and his career.

564 freetoken  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 10:27:13pm

BTW Gus, WND is already onto your evil plan to do away with the electoral college! In big letters at the top of their headlines:

Next president elected by just 15% of voters?

565 Gus  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 10:27:23pm

re: #562 Gus 802

That's exactly what I was visualizing.

Image: File:Haeckel_Anthropogenie_1874.jpg

That's a frequent topic creationists use to argue against evolution.

Not loading. Image here.

566 Gus  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 10:28:12pm

re: #564 freetoken

BTW Gus, WND is already onto your evil plan to do away with the electoral college! In big letters at the top of their headlines:

Next president elected by just 15% of voters?

Woot! I'm a Commie!

//

567 b_Snark  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 10:28:54pm

re: #562 Gus 802

That's exactly what I was visualizing.

Image: File:Haeckel_Anthropogenie_1874.jpg

That's a frequent topic creationists use to argue against evolution.

Here I go linking a scientist again.

568 Soap_Man  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 10:29:46pm

re: #564 freetoken

BTW Gus, WND is already onto your evil plan to do away with the electoral college! In big letters at the top of their headlines:

Next president elected by just 15% of voters?

...two-party system will be undermined

How fucking tragic.

P.S. Hi everyone!

569 b_Snark  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 10:30:35pm

re: #564 freetoken

BTW Gus, WND is already onto your evil plan to do away with the electoral college! In big letters at the top of their headlines:

Next president elected by just 15% of voters?

Doesn't it hurt your brain to read WorldNutDaily?

570 What, me worry?  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 10:31:06pm

re: #563 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

That's because they talked about the second point he brought up as to why he went: Because going into the NG/reserves or even skipping the country would have looked bad for daddy and his career.

In those days, lots of Ivy league college men were trying to get out of going and they did. He could have joined the reserves like many of his friends did, but he didn't.

He didn't have a dangerous position per se. He was a journalist, but he went and deserves that credit.

571 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 10:31:33pm

re: #535 lostlakehiker

Your story is a perfect example of the kind of harm Gore has done. People naturally figure that if "they" have to fudge their case, then "they" are blowing smoke. It makes it just that much harder to penetrate to the truth of the matter.

Here's what you fail to grasp: the object personification of a particular denialist's fixation is not in fact the cause the cause of that fixation. Al Gore isn't to blame for anybody choosing to act like a reactionary, pig-ignorant asshole. Own it.

572 freetoken  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 10:31:50pm

re: #569 b_sharp

Doesn't it hurt your brain to read WorldNutDaily?

After eating a pint of B&J's Chocolate Fudge Brownie - I am invincible.

573 b_Snark  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 10:33:07pm

re: #572 freetoken

After eating a pint of B&J's Chocolate Fudge Brownie - I am invincible.

Ahh, yes. The magic of ice cream. Add chocolate and you have the world by the tail.

574 BARACK THE VOTE  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 10:33:29pm

re: #555 marjoriemoon

It's the Vietnam issue they have with Kerry.

Oddly enough, Gore volunteered and served in Vietnam, even though he was against the war, because if he went, it would be one less man to be drafted. You don't hear the Right talk about that at all.

I remember. Oh boy do I.

If I'm right though, this isn't really about Gore or Kerry-- the ongoing hate for a failed POTUS candidate. It's the expression of the right's need for an Emmanual Goldstein figure. If only the Two Minute Hate were two minutes, and not years.
If that's true, then if it hadn't been Vietnam as an excuse to hate Kerry, it would have been something else. If Gore hadn't had AGW as an issue, it'd still be something else.

That's my suspicion, anyway. I would like to be wrong, but I don't think I am. The culmination of this thinking is the full out shrieking meltdown over Obama.
Rove promised them a 'permanent majority'. They're outraged, outraged, to have lost.

575 Ayeless in Ghazi  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 10:33:32pm

Ok - bedtime for me. Stay safe folks - but remember - socialism never sleeps.../

Image: Cloneof1789.jpg

576 What, me worry?  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 10:33:37pm

ok kids. I'm out... catch up with ya manana.

577 Targetpractice  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 10:34:06pm

re: #570 marjoriemoon

In those days, lots of Ivy league college men were trying to get out of going and they did. He could have joined the reserves like many of his friends did, but he didn't.

He didn't have a dangerous position per se. He was a journalist, but he went and deserves that credit.

Never said otherwise. Man volunteered, he did his time, and I respect him for that.

578 freetoken  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 10:34:19pm

BTW, the DVD of last year's movie "The Road" is out and I'm trying to watch it but it is so gloomy that I'm finding it hard to pay attention to it. The director did a wonderful job making a dark, drab apocalypse look like a dark, drab apocalypse.

579 Soap_Man  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 10:35:04pm

re: #578 freetoken

BTW, the DVD of last year's movie "The Road" is out and I'm trying to watch it but it is so gloomy that I'm finding it hard to pay attention to it. The director did a wonderful job making a dark, drab apocalypse look like a dark, drab apocalypse.

Have you read the book?

580 swamprat  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 10:35:14pm

re: #550 iceweasel

You already acknowledged that it was a passive aggressive slap at people here. Since you referenced the posts that Gus and I made, it is certain that you intended it to be read as about us.

Now please just fuck off and talk to someone else. IIRC you just lost a pet and I'm going to give you a pass today.

Be advised though that I've had it with the passive aggressive jabs and the concerted attempt to make liberals feel unwelcome that's been going on. I will
continue to call out shit when I see it.

Me too. And I will address those things I see when they occur. Aside from that, will try to avoid addressing you in the future per your wishes. ( I hope I remember)
But I will still

"continue to call out shit when I see it."
Even if it happens to be yours.


Lord, I hate this sort of thing. This is far from fun. I do not give you a pass on this, but I am sorry you feel this way.
sigh

581 b_Snark  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 10:35:25pm

beddy-by time for me too.

582 freetoken  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 10:35:30pm

re: #579 Soap_Man

Have you read the book?

Nope.

583 Soap_Man  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 10:36:45pm

re: #582 freetoken

Nope.

It's fantastic. Much better than the film. You should check it out.

Meet you on the next thread>>>>

584 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 10:39:00pm

re: #545 Stanley Sea

Hi all! Grunion run @moonlight beach! I'm sitting here on the sand checking in with LGF! What a beautiful night!

Go Grunions!

585 swamprat  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 10:39:20pm

re: #553 prairiefire


Why should I not try to kill the scorpion?

586 BARACK THE VOTE  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 10:40:29pm

re: #580 swamprat

Me too. And I will address those things I see when they occur. Aside from that, will try to avoid addressing you in the future per your wishes. ( I hope I remember)
But I will still

"continue to call out shit when I see it."
Even if it happens to be yours.

Lord, I hate this sort of thing. This is far from fun. I do not give you a pass on this, but I am sorry you feel this way.
sigh

I didn't ask you never to address me again. I merely pointed out your behaviour on this thread. And I am not wrong.

Goodnight folks.

587 Gus  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 10:41:03pm

re: #586 iceweasel

I didn't ask you never to address me again. I merely pointed out your behaviour on this thread. And I am not wrong.

Goodnight folks.

Leaving?

588 BARACK THE VOTE  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 10:42:26pm

re: #587 Gus 802

Leaving?

Just for the night obviously-- Jimmah needs sleep and I have loads of packing to do tomorrow. :(

If I can't sleep I'll be back in an hour or so. Take care Gus! xo

589 Gus  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 10:43:07pm

re: #588 iceweasel

Just for the night obviously-- Jimmah needs sleep and I have loads of packing to do tomorrow. :(

If I can't sleep I'll be back in an hour or so. Take care Gus! xo

I know. OK Ice. Have a good night's sleep. See you later! :)

590 swamprat  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 10:43:55pm

re: #586 iceweasel

Thanks. And you can be right. Did not want one of those "do not address me" things. I appreciate this.

591 Eclectic Infidel  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 10:48:24pm

re: #574 iceweasel

I remember. Oh boy do I.
...
The culmination of this thinking is the full out shrieking meltdown over Obama.
Rove promised them a 'permanent majority'. They're outraged, outraged, to have lost.

Do you remember how revered Sarah Palin was on LGF right before Obama won?

Criticism of her was a dire no no.

592 Soap_Man  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 10:49:37pm

re: #591 eclectic infidel

Do you remember how revered Sarah Palin was on LGF right before Obama won?

Criticism of her was a dire no no.

Ha! Really? (I joined well after the election)

593 Eclectic Infidel  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 10:51:09pm

re: #592 Soap_Man

Ha! Really? (I joined well after the election)

Really. She was [almost] everyone's darling...or so it seemed to me, the black sheep who just didn't trust her.

594 Soap_Man  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 10:52:11pm

re: #593 eclectic infidel

Really. She was [almost] everyone's darling...or so it seemed to me, the black sheep who just didn't trust her.

I voted for McCain, but it didn't take long for me to see through her bullshit.

595 BongCrodny  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 10:55:30pm

re: #578 freetoken

I read "The Road" on a flight back from Las Vegas, and was back on the East Coast before I realized it. Lent it to a friend who also read it in a day.

Asked him if he liked it, and he said he couldn't put the damn thing down -- but he wasn't certain whether he liked it or not.

A tremendously disturbing book. I confess I'm a bit afraid to watch the movie version.

596 Gus  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 10:58:21pm

Just saw an ad for something called Myoplex -- Fuel that helps repair and recharge muscles!

Some bullshit that says it contains "proprietary" proteins. Let's have a look at the ingredients:

Filtered Water, Milk Protein Concentrate, Corn Maltodextrin. Less than 2% of the Following: Soy Protein Isolate, Calcium Caseinate, Cocoa Powder (Processed with Alkali), Sucrose, Vitamin & Mineral Blend (Magnesium Phosphate, Potassium Citrate, Sodium Ascorbate, Sodium Chloride, Zinc Gluconate, dl-Alpha-Tocopheryl Acetate, Niacinamide, Manganese Gluconate, Calcium Pantothenate, Vitamin A Palmitate, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Thiamin Hydrochloride, Riboflavin, Chromium Chloride, Folic Acid, Beta-Carotene, Vitamin D3, Biotin, Sodium Molybdate, Sodium Selenite, Potassium Iodide, Phytonadione, Cyanocobalamin), Natural & Artificial Flavors, Short-Chain Fructooligosaccharides, High Oleic Safflower Oil, Cellulose Gum, Carrageenan, Cellulose Gel, Acesulfame Potassium, Gellan Gum, and Sucralose.

The only protein it contain is concentrated milk protein. Corn Maltodextrin us a carbohydrate. The rest, less than 2 percent, is pure filler garbage. And it comes in a rather thick plastic container.

More fraud brought to you by nutritional scam industry. Better off drinking normal milk and eating real food.

597 Soap_Man  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 10:58:23pm

re: #595 BongCrodny

I read "The Road" on a flight back from Las Vegas, and was back on the East Coast before I realized it. Lent it to a friend who also read it in a day.

Asked him if he liked it, and he said he couldn't put the damn thing down -- but he wasn't certain whether he liked it or not.

A tremendously disturbing book. I confess I'm a bit afraid to watch the movie version.

I have never read a book with such raw emotion. When I read it, I kept picturing my own father. Which was probably McCarthy's intent, since he never gave a description of the man.

598 Eclectic Infidel  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 11:02:31pm

re: #595 BongCrodny

I read "The Road" on a flight back from Las Vegas, and was back on the East Coast before I realized it. Lent it to a friend who also read it in a day.

Asked him if he liked it, and he said he couldn't put the damn thing down -- but he wasn't certain whether he liked it or not.

A tremendously disturbing book. I confess I'm a bit afraid to watch the movie version.

I read the novel first and then saw the movie before it disappeared from theaters here. The book was more graphic than the movie, but the movie really drove the point home about just how far humanity had fallen.

What's your take on what caused the world-wide catastrophe?

599 swamprat  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 11:03:59pm

re: #596 Gus 802

Just saw an ad for something called Myoplex -- Fuel that helps repair and recharge muscles!

Some bullshit that says it contains "proprietary" proteins. Let's have a look at the ingredients:Filtered Water, Milk Protein Concentrate, Corn Maltodextrin. Less than 2% of the Following: Soy Protein Isolate, Calcium Caseinate, Cocoa Powder (Processed with Alkali), Sucrose, Vitamin & Mineral Blend (Magnesium

The only protein it contain is concentrated milk protein. Corn Maltodextrin us a carbohydrate. The rest, less than 2 percent, is pure filler garbage. And it comes in a rather thick plastic container.

More fraud brought to you by nutritional scam industry. Better off drinking normal milk and eating real food.

Missed one, although you may be right.

600 Gus  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 11:04:48pm

re: #599 swamprat

Missed one, although you may be right.

Yeah. Less than 2 percent though. Mixed in with guar gum!

601 Gus  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 11:05:47pm

re: #600 Gus 802

Yeah. Less than 2 percent though. Mixed in with guar gum!

Make that Cellulose Gum and Gellan Gum.

602 swamprat  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 11:06:33pm

re: #600 Gus 802

They put guar gum in bread now. I won't buy it.

603 Gus  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 11:09:02pm

re: #602 swamprat

They put guar gum in bread now. I won't buy it.

I don't watch what I eat or consider myself an athlete. I think if one did they should avoid gum. They use it to suspend the soy in drinks like this. And as a thickner.

Gellan gum is a water-soluble polysaccharide produced by Sphingomonas elodea, a bacterium.

It's a polymer.

604 BongCrodny  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 11:31:28pm

re: #598 eclectic infidel

If I had to take a stab at it, I'd guess nuclear. I may be recalling this incorrectly, but it seemed as though things were more or less "normal" around the time of the boy's birth. Whatever it was that happened seems to have turned the whole planet into a wasteland in just a few years.

Would an environmental catastrophe that epic in scope manifest itself that quickly?

605 lostlakehiker  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 11:32:27pm

re: #510 b_sharp

He has repeated a number of denialist errors that exposes a lack of research. My only response has been a desire to correct those errors. I certainly have not treated anyone (today) like a heretic.

Agreed. I don't think I'm in error, but you've argued fair.

606 swamprat  Sat, Jun 26, 2010 11:47:58pm

re: #605 lostlakehiker

There are some really strong feelings on this.

607 ryannon  Sun, Jun 27, 2010 12:00:17am

re: #598 eclectic infidel

I read the novel first and then saw the movie before it disappeared from theaters here. The book was more graphic than the movie, but the movie really drove the point home about just how far humanity had fallen.

What's your take on what caused the world-wide catastrophe?

Ron Paul!

608 freetoken  Sun, Jun 27, 2010 12:06:44am

re: #596 Gus 802

"Myoplex" is a brand that is applied to several different products from EAS. But yes, they're not really a good deal, though EAS used to have one of the better reps in the body building scene (due partly to marketing, but also a bit to some good work early on.) You must be looking at their meal replacement stuff, which of course has a mix of items in it.

I preferred, when I bought the big jugs of protein, to get (from the San Diego area originally) Designer Whey, as I could get pure whey protein in unflavored variety, and when found on sale is a decent deal.

Most MRPs are not of a lot of use to adults, since we are normally looking to reduce our calorie intake and frankly the MRPs don't do that usually because they don't reduce appetite. However, for the young male who needs to add calories to his diet MRPs can be useful if they add them between their other meals. Well, that's assuming the male isn't already overweight.

Pure whey protein is good stuff for the body.

609 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Jun 27, 2010 12:14:13am

re: #605 lostlakehiker

Agreed. I don't think I'm in error, but you've argued fair.

Wait, how can you agree if you don't think you're in error? That makes no sense, either tell us how it is Gore lied or admit you are, in fact, in error. Blaming Al Gore for prolonging climate denial in people who hate Al Gore is a tautological non-thought.

It's also not very bootstrappy, at the very least a person should be able to take responsibility for their own point of view. Al Gore didn't lie, he didn't cause you to lie about his purported mendacity, nothing he did makes it "harder to penetrate to the truth of the matter."

re: #606 swamprat

There are some really strong feelings on this.

Yes, people feel strongly about being bullshitted. They're against it.

610 Jerk  Sun, Jun 27, 2010 1:18:33am

Here's me with my late-night half-drunk outrage...

Another slap on the wrist if anything for this piece of garage. What respectable publication thinks that it is "just okay" or, you know, "in good fun" to let one of their own get away with calling Mexicans "beaners" (does McCain think he is Carlos Mencia or something?). I would get fired from my own job if I opened my mouth in such a manner. Calling British people faggots is really just morally inept in any case; yet this subhuman will continue to churn out the opt-eds as those who pay his salary will surely turn a blind eye to his obvious hate-mongering. That is the tragedy in it all, that he retains no actual responsibility for the terrible things that he says. Charles, you are doing the right thing by calling him out on it, and I commend you for it.

As a general rule, if the SPLC has an issue with you, there's a good chance that you're a slimy racist or an apologist for them.

611 RogueOne  Sun, Jun 27, 2010 3:51:31am

re: #570 marjoriemoon

In those days, lots of Ivy league college men were trying to get out of going and they did. He could have joined the reserves like many of his friends did, but he didn't.

He didn't have a dangerous position per se. He was a journalist, but he went and deserves that credit.

I've never said anything negative about his military service but lets not pin a medal on a senators son for spending 5 months in Vietnam carrying a camera. He didn't pull a traitor act like Kerry, which is why there is still so much animosity about the man, but he wasn't a hero either.

612 hellosnackbar  Sun, Jun 27, 2010 4:37:04am

I've never heard of this Stacy McCain chap before.
American diplomat is he?

613 prairiefire  Sun, Jun 27, 2010 9:34:44am

re: #585 swamprat

Why should I not try to kill the scorpion?

Hi, seeing this the next day. Yes, Do try to kill it. Did you? They have their uses out in the wild but not in your home!

614 chordata  Tue, Jun 29, 2010 10:54:00am

testing

615 Steve Dutch  Tue, Jun 29, 2010 1:41:23pm

A couple of years ago I submitted a piece to the American Stinker on what the Right needed to do to regain influence in academia (hint, the exact opposite of what they've been doing since 2006.) I pointed out that conservatives could absolutely forget being taken seriously in academia as long as they were in bed with the anti-evolution cults. The editor told me I should read Michael Behe's book. I already have, in detail. The scene on the right now is like watching a train wreck.


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