LGF reader jaunte has unearthed a picture of white supremacist blogger Robert Stacy McCain trying to choose the proper headgear to begin his day.
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Targetpractice Sun, Jun 27, 2010 11:53:02am |
Damn, this is some fine work. My hat's off to you, jaunte.
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_RememberTonyC Sun, Jun 27, 2010 11:56:01am |
he looks like beavis and butthead's long lost brother shitforbrains
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The Left Sun, Jun 27, 2010 11:56:57am |
I love that! Jaunte, excellent work. Love the names you gave to the hats too. "The Forrest". heh.
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Sheila Broflovski Sun, Jun 27, 2010 11:57:38am |
I'd like to see him wearing Miss Scarlett's drapery dress.
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Charles Johnson Sun, Jun 27, 2010 11:58:54am |
I now have my icon for any future RSM posts.
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_RememberTonyC Sun, Jun 27, 2010 12:00:05pm |
my nostradamus mode is clicking in ...
how long before we see a "rent boy" scandal?
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jaunte Sun, Jun 27, 2010 12:00:09pm |
re: #4 Alouette
I'd like to see him wearing Miss Scarlett's drapery dress.
Perfect:
Scarlett: Sir, you are no gentleman.
Rhett Butler: And you, Miss, are no lady.
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reine.de.tout Sun, Jun 27, 2010 12:01:07pm |
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Jun 27, 2010 12:01:08pm |
re: #3 iceweasel
I love that! Jaunte, excellent work. Love the names you gave to the hats too. "The Forrest". heh.
Only in hats and nastiness can you compare him to Nathan Bedford Forrest. General Forrest, though a brutal and hateful man, was a very smart and capable general. RS McCain's IQ is closer to that of Forrest Gump, though minus Gump's decency of course.
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researchok Sun, Jun 27, 2010 12:01:56pm |
I'm willing to bet RSM orders pizza with pineapple.
That's the bottom of the slippery slope...
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jaunte Sun, Jun 27, 2010 12:02:27pm |
re: #9 Dark_Falcon
It was almost 'Dabney' but 'Forrest' won the popular vote.
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windsagio Sun, Jun 27, 2010 12:03:32pm |
re: #9 Dark_Falcon
Forrest was really onlly good for killing.
Oh and maybe some torture, if it was a black person.
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_RememberTonyC Sun, Jun 27, 2010 12:04:34pm |
re: #10 researchok
I'm willing to bet RSM orders pizza with pineapple.
That's the bottom of the slippery slope...
and likes showtunes too
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MandyManners Sun, Jun 27, 2010 12:04:57pm |
re: #9 Dark_Falcon
Only in hats and nastiness can you compare him to Nathan Bedford Forrest. General Forrest, though a brutal and hateful man, was a very smart and capable general. RS McCain's IQ is closer to that of Forrest Gump, though minus Gump's decency of course.
He was both a Mason and a Klansman.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Jun 27, 2010 12:08:00pm |
re: #12 windsagio
Forrest was really onlly good for killing.
Oh and maybe some torture, if it was a black person.
Not true. He was a first rate cavalry commander. His tearing up of the Union cavalry rearguard in Mississippi in 1864 was an excellent piece of lead-from-the-front command. I do not defend him as a man, but as a battle leader he was skilled.
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researchok Sun, Jun 27, 2010 12:08:00pm |
Senator Byrd "seriously ill," in hospital
Senator Robert Byrd, the longest-serving member of Congress, is "seriously ill" and has been hospitalized, a spokesman for the West Virginia lawmaker said Sunday.
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Targetpractice Sun, Jun 27, 2010 12:10:07pm |
re: #16 researchok
Well, he is already into his 90s. I'll be honest, I'm surprised he's lasted this long, considering how active he still is.
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MandyManners Sun, Jun 27, 2010 12:12:08pm |
re: #15 Dark_Falcon
Not true. He was a first rate cavalry commander. His tearing up of the Union cavalry rearguard in Mississippi in 1864 was an excellent piece of lead-from-the-front command. I do not defend him as a man, but as a battle leader he was skilled.
Honest to goodness, it seems as if some think that Southerners are ignorant and violent.
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Firstinla Sun, Jun 27, 2010 12:13:38pm |
Is there some way to add a tinfoil hat to his options?
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Sun, Jun 27, 2010 12:13:43pm |
Fortunately for me, ignorant, racist, virulent white trash with delusions of grandeur and paranoid fantasies do not constitute a race.
After all, most white folks, like most black folks, like most brown folks, like most Asians, are pretty good people.
Therefore, it isn't racist when I hold drunken, hateful, delusional animals, like RSM, in the deepest contempt - and few things would make me more happy than to discover that there was some mutation that allowed me to no longer consider him, and those like him, as the same species.
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Charles Johnson Sun, Jun 27, 2010 12:13:47pm |
Just so everyone knows exactly who we're talking about here, Nathan Bedford Forrest was the first Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan.
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windsagio Sun, Jun 27, 2010 12:14:11pm |
re: #15 Dark_Falcon
That's exactly what I mean.
He had an excellent talent, that doesn't mean he was that with it all around.
We have a tendency to overestimate good generals outside of their military careers.
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jaunte Sun, Jun 27, 2010 12:14:12pm |
re: #20 Firstinla
Is there some way to add a tinfoil hat to his options?
He's going to need a bigger closet.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Sun, Jun 27, 2010 12:14:30pm |
re: #4 Alouette
I'd like to see him wearing Miss Scarlett's drapery dress.
Given how virulently homophobic he is, there is a good chance he does more than just wear it.
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windsagio Sun, Jun 27, 2010 12:14:37pm |
re: #19 MandyManners
Damn Mandy, I thought I was harsh! You're saying all Southerners are as bad as Nathan Bedford Forrest?
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Targetpractice Sun, Jun 27, 2010 12:15:15pm |
re: #19 MandyManners
Honest to goodness, it seems as if some think that Southerners are ignorant and violent.
Hey, I resemble that remark!
/
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Cato the Elder Sun, Jun 27, 2010 12:15:33pm |
Jeffrey Dahmer was a pretty good serial killer.
Doesn't mean I have to admire him.
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Digital Display Sun, Jun 27, 2010 12:16:36pm |
re: #11 jaunte
It was almost 'Dabney' but 'Forrest' won the popular vote.
I like the little model of the 'General' under the Table
Kudo's Jauntel
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Sun, Jun 27, 2010 12:18:31pm |
re: #19 MandyManners
Honest to goodness, it seems as if some think that Southerners are ignorant and violent.
Some of them are. Honestly, when you can have people like Gohmert and Barton elected by majorities, you have a problem.
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shutdown Sun, Jun 27, 2010 12:18:36pm |
I updinged the cartoon for the Magritte reference. There isn't enough of that type of erudition these days.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Sun, Jun 27, 2010 12:19:22pm |
re: #31 imp_62
I updinged the cartoon for the Magritte reference. There isn't enough of that type of erudition these days.
I caught that too. Jaunte rocks.
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RadicalModerate Sun, Jun 27, 2010 12:19:46pm |
I realize that it's still early in the election cycle, but this one is potentially huge.
TX-Gov: White Catches Up to Perry in New PPP Poll
Perry's job approval is underwater at 36-49, but that's actually a slight uptick from February, when Perry's rating was a dismal 33-50. Among independent voters, Perry's approval is a brutal 27-55. With an A-grade recruit in former Houston Mayor Bill White at the helm, that all adds up to the rare opportunity for a Democratic pick-up in a solid red state like Texas. While the odds are still steep, this should be a fun race to watch.
Perry, with his secessionist-friendly talk and the Texas Board of Education fiasco that occurred with Perry's handpicked Dominionist/creationist leaders may be resulting in a serious backlash with independent voters.
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shutdown Sun, Jun 27, 2010 12:19:47pm |
re: #24 jaunte
He's going to need a bigger closet.
If he ever steps out of it, there will be more room.
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abolitionist Sun, Jun 27, 2010 12:20:43pm |
Translation of the sign on the wall behind the hats? Anyone?
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Digital Display Sun, Jun 27, 2010 12:21:14pm |
re: #32 LudwigVanQuixote
I caught that too. Jaunte rocks.
Hi Ludwig! It's halftime in the Match.. Mexico is in big trouble
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Sun, Jun 27, 2010 12:21:15pm |
re: #34 imp_62
If he ever steps out of it, there will be more room.
I wonder how long it will be before we catch him with a rent-a-boy?
In honor of this I present:
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Jun 27, 2010 12:21:32pm |
re: #22 Charles
Someone tried to register with that Nic once, IIRC... made it to one post.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Jun 27, 2010 12:21:43pm |
re: #23 windsagio
That's exactly what I mean.
He had an excellent talent, that doesn't mean he was that with it all around.
We have a tendency to overestimate good generals outside of their military careers.
True. I wasn't doing that. My reply was prompted by the fact that I misunderstood you post. Please excuse my error.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Sun, Jun 27, 2010 12:21:56pm |
re: #36 HoosierHoops
Hi Ludwig! It's halftime in the Match.. Mexico is in big trouble
Hey Hoops...
Is it blasphemy for me to not be that big a follower of soccer?
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MandyManners Sun, Jun 27, 2010 12:22:26pm |
re: #30 LudwigVanQuixote
Some of them are. Honestly, when you can have people like Gohmert and Barton elected by majorities, you have a problem.
What percentage of the South do they represent?
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shutdown Sun, Jun 27, 2010 12:23:41pm |
re: #33 RadicalModerate
This election cycle will be one of missed opportunities for non-Democrats. The hard right swing by the Republicans has left the main-stream (which had been shifting steadily to the right itself for years) scrambling, and the moderate wing in a fetal position, rocking back and forth talking to itself. Few independents are comfortable with the Palinoids.
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windsagio Sun, Jun 27, 2010 12:24:28pm |
re: #39 Dark_Falcon
haha no problem, I tend to react strongly when folks like that come up >>
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jaunte Sun, Jun 27, 2010 12:24:43pm |
re: #19 MandyManners
Honest to goodness, it seems as if some think that Southerners are ignorant and violent.
I know the opposite to be true, having a large family of Southerners myself, but there is a problem with the romanticizing of the Southern past and minimizing the negative effects on the poor and nonwhite.
McCain is a good example of this Gone with the Wind thinking:
There was a land of Cavaliers and Cotton Fields called the Old South... Here in this pretty world Gallantry took its last bow... Here was the last ever to be seen of Knights and their Ladies Fair, of Master and of Slave... Look for it only in books, for it is no more than a dream remembered. A Civilization gone with the wind...
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MandyManners Sun, Jun 27, 2010 12:24:44pm |
I'm not gonna' sit here and defend racist assholes nor am I gonna' sit here and post the point over and over again that not all Southerners are racist assholes. Instead, I'm gonna' take The Kid to the pool and get some shopping and laundry done. bbl
Have a great day, Lizards!
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Sun, Jun 27, 2010 12:25:11pm |
re: #41 MandyManners
What percentage of the South do they represent?
How many voted for such clowns? How many support the Texas BOE's revisions? How many think that Beck is to be taken seriously? We can pick on other states than Texas as well. Lets not kid about the red/blue divide being along very similar lines to those of the Civil War.
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MandyManners Sun, Jun 27, 2010 12:25:22pm |
Oh, and the Pages thing really is cool! Thanks, Charles! I shouldn't fear tech as much as I do.
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Digital Display Sun, Jun 27, 2010 12:26:11pm |
re: #40 LudwigVanQuixote
Hey Hoops...
Is it blasphemy for me to not be that big a follower of soccer?
Nah..I've been posting this last week of everything I'd change about soccer...
I'm up to rule #15.. I can't think of a #15 cause my other 14 rules are pure genius..
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Sun, Jun 27, 2010 12:26:15pm |
re: #45 MandyManners
I'm not gonna' sit here and defend racist assholes nor am I gonna' sit here and post the point over and over again that not all Southerners are racist assholes. Instead, I'm gonna' take The Kid to the pool and get some shopping and laundry done. bbl
Have a great day, Lizards!
Not all Southerners are. There is a difference between pointing to an elephant in the room and saying that the elephant is the only thing in the room.
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Charles Johnson Sun, Jun 27, 2010 12:26:29pm |
re: #45 MandyManners
I'm not gonna' sit here and defend racist assholes nor am I gonna' sit here and post the point over and over again that not all Southerners are racist assholes. Instead, I'm gonna' take The Kid to the pool and get some shopping and laundry done. bbl
Have a great day, Lizards!
I'm pretty sure nobody in this thread said that "all Southerners" are racist assholes. In fact, I'm certain nobody said that.
Why is this the default response when the Southerners who ARE racist assholes get called out?
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shutdown Sun, Jun 27, 2010 12:26:35pm |
re: #45 MandyManners
I'm not gonna' sit here and defend racist assholes nor am I gonna' sit here and post the point over and over again that not all Southerners are racist assholes. Instead, I'm gonna' take The Kid to the pool and get some shopping and laundry done. bbl
Have a great day, Lizards!
PLEASE don't do the laundry in the pool. It is frowned upon - North and South...
Have fun!
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windsagio Sun, Jun 27, 2010 12:27:16pm |
re: #41 MandyManners
In bartons case, apparently usually over 60% of his district. Small part of the south I know!
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windsagio Sun, Jun 27, 2010 12:27:45pm |
re: #44 jaunte
As a sidenote, nobody said that they were Jaunte, Mandy imagined it, or something.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Sun, Jun 27, 2010 12:28:27pm |
re: #49 HoosierHoops
Nah..I've been posting this last week of everything I'd change about soccer...
I'm up to rule #15.. I can't think of a #15 cause my other 14 rules are pure genius..
/
Honestly, I think America is still too important a nation to really care about soccer. Nations with nothing to prove don't seem to get into it all that much. The Russians and the Chinese for example, really don't care either.
On the other hand, as been empires and never were's are all over the game.
Nothing quite like trying to determine if Greece or Ecuador is the greatest nation on the planet.
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Firstinla Sun, Jun 27, 2010 12:29:44pm |
One has to consider what "The South" means. West Virginia is considered "south" as is Florida. Inhabitants of both are "southerners."
There is no "all."
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jaunte Sun, Jun 27, 2010 12:29:52pm |
re: #54 windsagio
There are occasional comments here that are negative about a region or state in general, but this cartoon is about one person in particular.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Sun, Jun 27, 2010 12:30:21pm |
By the way, pure sarc tags on my 55. I have nothing against soccer.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Sun, Jun 27, 2010 12:30:45pm |
re: #57 jaunte
There are occasional comments here that are negative about a region or state in general, but this cartoon is about one person in particular.
Who represents the views of all too many others.
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shutdown Sun, Jun 27, 2010 12:30:50pm |
re: #55 LudwigVanQuixote
Honestly, I think America is still too important a nation to really care about soccer. Nations with nothing to prove don't seem to get into it all that much. The Russians and the Chinese for example, really don't care either.
On the other hand, as been empires and never were's are all over the game.
Nothing quite like trying to determine if Greece or Ecuador is the greatest nation on the planet.
The Russians care a great deal - both domestically, internationally and as trophy investors in clubs. They just tend to talk things down if they cannot excel - like when the Soviets couldn't make toilet paper and other luxury articles, they were deemed somehow harmful to the socialist ideal.
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Digital Display Sun, Jun 27, 2010 12:31:00pm |
re: #55 LudwigVanQuixote
Honestly, I think America is still too important a nation to really care about soccer. Nations with nothing to prove don't seem to get into it all that much. The Russians and the Chinese for example, really don't care either.
On the other hand, as been empires and never were's are all over the game.
Nothing quite like trying to determine if Greece or Ecuador is the greatest nation on the planet.
Soccer Moms elected Clinton..
/Never under estimate Soccer moms..
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Jun 27, 2010 12:31:10pm |
re: #51 Charles
I apologize. My knee jerks pretty quickly on the subject also.
What is used for the caricature of a Northern or Western racist?
Confederate flag.
Just sucks to fall into the category where things even feel like a broad brush.
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reine.de.tout Sun, Jun 27, 2010 12:31:27pm |
re: #44 jaunte
I know the opposite to be true, having a large family of Southerners myself, but there is a problem with the romanticizing of the Southern past and minimizing the negative effects on the poor and nonwhite.
McCain is a good example of this Gone with the Wind thinking:
Agreed, and good point.
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goddamnedfrank Sun, Jun 27, 2010 12:32:19pm |
re: #9 Dark_Falcon
RS McCain's IQ is closer to that of Forrest Gump, though minus Gump's decency of course.
You never read the book, huh. Forrest Gump wasn't fast, dumb and lucky, he was a big guy with deep wisdom an idiot-savant like intelligence. Forrest Gump was the back up to the back up computer on one of the first NASA missions. He taught himself how to shrimp in small enclosed bays by watching how the South East Asian fishermen did it. He played life or death games of chess, no shit. He didn't purposelessly jog around the nation like some self-absorbed asshole, Jenny never died, and this is what he had to say about life:
"LET ME SAY THIS: bein a idiot is no box of chocolates. People laugh, lose patience, treat you shabby. Now they says folks sposed to be kind to the afflicted, but let me tell you--it ain't always that way. Even so, I got no complaints, cause I reckon I done live a pretty interestin life, so to speak"
Goddamned it, I hate that movie so much.
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reine.de.tout Sun, Jun 27, 2010 12:32:39pm |
re: #60 LudwigVanQuixote
Who represents the views of all too many others.
From all over the country.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Jun 27, 2010 12:33:59pm |
re: #65 goddamnedfrank
Such a great book. Such an un-related movie.
When he peed on Raquel Welch in the book? I almost peed myself.
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Randall Gross Sun, Jun 27, 2010 12:34:01pm |
re: #11 jaunte
It was almost 'Dabney' but 'Forrest' won the popular vote.
Most excellent work. You really should be doing work for editorial pages J.
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_RememberTonyC Sun, Jun 27, 2010 12:34:08pm |
re: #40 LudwigVanQuixote
Hey Hoops...
Is it blasphemy for me to not be that big a follower of soccer?
i gave it up yesterday at 5pm EDT :)
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windsagio Sun, Jun 27, 2010 12:34:16pm |
re: #63 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Its tricky, because there is a problem, and its real...
Still I wouldn't wanna feel painted either.
'
That being said, not many Northern neoconfedeerates!
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Jun 27, 2010 12:35:04pm |
re: #70 windsagio
That being said, not many Northern neoconfedeerates!
Are you saying there aren't a shit-load of Northern racists?
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Sun, Jun 27, 2010 12:35:25pm |
re: #66 reine.de.tout
From all over the country.
Yes, but the Klan and Dixie aspects are pretty concentrated in the South - though I will give you neo-nazis in Wisconsin and Minnesota as a counter point.
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Digital Display Sun, Jun 27, 2010 12:35:44pm |
re: #69 _RememberTonyC
i gave it up yesterday at 5pm EDT :)
I have the TIVO set for the Netherlands game Monday at 9:30 am..
When the Dutch are gone..So am I
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_RememberTonyC Sun, Jun 27, 2010 12:35:56pm |
re: #42 imp_62
This election cycle will be one of missed opportunities for non-Democrats. The hard right swing by the Republicans has left the main-stream (which had been shifting steadily to the right itself for years) scrambling, and the moderate wing in a fetal position, rocking back and forth talking to itself. Few independents are comfortable with the Palinoids.
totally agree ..... when harry reid can come back from the dead and look like a winner in november, you know there is something very bad about his opponent.
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The Left Sun, Jun 27, 2010 12:36:13pm |
re: #45 MandyManners
I'm not gonna' sit here and defend racist assholes nor am I gonna' sit here and post the point over and over again that not all Southerners are racist assholes. Instead, I'm gonna' take The Kid to the pool and get some shopping and laundry done. bbl
Have a great day, Lizards!
It's pretty shitty when people make posts dissing an entire group of people, isn't it.
No one has done that in this thread, but maybe you'll think about that for a while. Say, before your next comment bashing all liberals or all "progs".
Have a nice day.
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CapeCoddah Sun, Jun 27, 2010 12:36:29pm |
re: #71 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Are you saying there aren't a shit-load of Northern racists?
This Yankee can assure you that there is no shortage of Northern racists. Of all colors.
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_RememberTonyC Sun, Jun 27, 2010 12:36:32pm |
re: #73 HoosierHoops
I have the TIVO set for the Netherlands game Monday at 9:30 am..
When the Dutch are gone..So am I
from what i hear, the dutch have what it takes to win it all.
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justaminute Sun, Jun 27, 2010 12:36:37pm |
Mandy, as a Dem from Oklahoma, I usually let insults fly on by. After 40 years, I heard them all. I only respond to people that are actually from OK other wise, what's the point.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Sun, Jun 27, 2010 12:37:02pm |
re: #71 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Are you saying there aren't a shit-load of Northern racists?
Of course the North has its share of assholes. However, is it perhaps a little blind to ignore Dixie Flags and talk of secession... Those things are as Southern as grits and oh yes - burning crosses.
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Digital Display Sun, Jun 27, 2010 12:37:19pm |
re: #72 LudwigVanQuixote
Yes, but the Klan and Dixie aspects are pretty concentrated in the South - though I will give you neo-nazis in Wisconsin and Minnesota as a counter point.
Didn't the Klan start in Indiana? I think they did..That's what I've been told here
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zora Sun, Jun 27, 2010 12:37:32pm |
re: #65 goddamnedfrank
i loved the book, also.
OT ..thought i would have left the house by now. ladies, if you are going to marry a pretty boy, know this. they really do take a long time to get ready.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Sun, Jun 27, 2010 12:38:24pm |
re: #80 HoosierHoops
Didn't the Klan start in Indiana? I think they did..That's what I've been told here
Uhhh it was started by ex confederate soldiers.
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reine.de.tout Sun, Jun 27, 2010 12:38:27pm |
re: #70 windsagio
Its tricky, because there is a problem, and its real...
Still I wouldn't wanna feel painted either.
'
That being said, not many Northern neoconfedeerates!
The Klan had major political influence in several states, and it was influential mostly in the center of the country. The Klan spread from the South into the Midwest and Northern states. It also arose in Canada, where there was a large movement against Catholic immigrants.[75] At its peak, Klan membership exceeded four million and comprised 20% of the adult white male population in many broad geographic regions, and 40% in some areas.[citation needed] Most of the Klan's membership resided in Midwestern states.
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Randall Gross Sun, Jun 27, 2010 12:38:44pm |
re: #19 MandyManners
Honest to goodness, it seems as if some think that Southerners are ignorant and violent.
Why are you the only one in the thread who said that? NBF was a fucking bigot sunsabitch regardless what he did as a cav officer.
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Aye Pod Sun, Jun 27, 2010 12:38:50pm |
OT but still very much in the crazy wingnut arena : Pamela Geller has posted an utterly disingenuous "Heartfelt Plea" to muslims concerning the planned Cordoba building (MEGA-MOSQUE!) in downtown New York (GROUND ZERO!).
I am sure your motivation to build bridges was a good one. But as you can see, it has had the opposite effect. The public outcry of millions of Americans make plain the wound that has been reopened and the terrible pain this is causing for families, for patriots, for Muslims of conscience. It is unbearable. This surely was not your intent.
Geller has been screaming about teh evul muslim 'mega mosque' since the project was first mooted - and trying desperately to whip up anti-muslim fervour on the back of it - here she tries to say that while SHE is ok with the intentions of those involved, its the cries of the poor American people (who may tragically have somehow gotten the wrong idea!) that must be listened to.
And how's this for a passive-aggressive threat:
I call upon your conscience, your goodness, your love of America, to move you to reconsider. More rallies will be staged -- tens of thousands will show. People might get hurt in a sit-in trying to stop the ground breaking of a mosque looking down on Ground Zero. Why? In the interest of building bridges?
And this:
the terrible pain this is causing for families, for patriots, for Muslims of conscience
So, if you're not OUTRAGED by the mosque, you aren't a patriot. And definitely not a 'muslim of conscience'. Even when Geller thinks she's trying to be nice, she just cant stop the slurs.
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Digital Display Sun, Jun 27, 2010 12:38:51pm |
re: #78 justaminute
Mandy, as a Dem from Oklahoma, I usually let insults fly on by. After 40 years, I heard them all. I only respond to people that are actually from OK other wise, what's the point.
I'm moving to Ok. This Summer...
Think I'll buy a cowboy hat... *wink*
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reine.de.tout Sun, Jun 27, 2010 12:39:11pm |
re: #80 HoosierHoops
Didn't the Klan start in Indiana? I think they did..That's what I've been told here
No, the Klan started in the south. But it has been very active in Indiana.
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windsagio Sun, Jun 27, 2010 12:39:17pm |
re: #71 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I don't really want to argue with you, but I'd suggest that northern racists have nothing to do with justifying racists anywhere else.
I understand why people feel defensive, but you simply can't deny the history of systemic racism, or the klan, or whatever.
Again nobody is saying that everyone in the south is an evil racist, but deflecting, or pulling a TQ or anything, doesn't add to the conversation at all.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Sun, Jun 27, 2010 12:40:37pm |
re: #85 Jimmah
OT but still very much in the crazy wingnut arena : Pamela Geller has posted an utterly disingenuous "Heartfelt Plea" to muslims concerning the planned Cordoba building (MEGA-MOSQUE!) in downtown New York (GROUND ZERO!).
So, if you're not OUTRAGED by the mosque, you aren't a patriot. And definitely not a 'muslim of conscience'. Even when Geller thinks she's trying to be nice, she just cant stop the slurs.
Well progress marches on...
Orwell introduced us to the notion of double think.
The wingnuts have created triple and quadruple think.
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windsagio Sun, Jun 27, 2010 12:40:59pm |
By the away its amazing how one person can throw a poison turd into the ring and derail the whole thread.
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jaunte Sun, Jun 27, 2010 12:41:07pm |
Racists have coopted the Confederate battle flag.
Not a knock on non-racist southerners, it's just the way it is.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Jun 27, 2010 12:41:10pm |
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reine.de.tout Sun, Jun 27, 2010 12:41:11pm |
re: #88 windsagio
I don't really want to argue with you, but I'd suggest that northern racists have nothing to do with justifying racists anywhere else.
I understand why people feel defensive, but you simply can't deny the history of systemic racism, or the klan, or whatever.
Again nobody is saying that everyone in the south is an evil racist, but deflecting, or pulling a TQ or anything, doesn't add to the conversation at all.
And I would say racism, wherever it exists and is active, is ugly, and northern racists don't deserve the pass you seem to have given them above.
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Randall Gross Sun, Jun 27, 2010 12:42:16pm |
re: #91 jaunte
Racists have coopted the Confederate battle flag.
Not a knock on non-racist southerners, it's just the way it is.
Yep, we had the twin of this discussion over the Celtic Cross awhile back too.
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Gus Sun, Jun 27, 2010 12:42:48pm |
re: #10 researchok
I'm willing to bet RSM orders pizza with pineapple.
That's the bottom of the slippery slope...
Chicken fried pineapple.
/
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Digital Display Sun, Jun 27, 2010 12:43:01pm |
re: #87 reine.de.tout
No, the Klan started in the south. But it has been very active in Indiana.
I had heard that it started here by Hoosiers..Thanks
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sproingie Sun, Jun 27, 2010 12:43:03pm |
I think it's more the lack of stereotypes for northerners. Take a look at Joe Barton and he's just a tobaccy chaw away from fitting the standard cracker mold. Who stereotypes the north? Alec Baldwin? It just doesn't stick.
I know there are plenty of reasonably hip and urbane southerners. It'd be nice to see one or two of them hold office once in a while.
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windsagio Sun, Jun 27, 2010 12:43:30pm |
re: #93 reine.de.tout
yup thats totally what I'm doing, giving racism in the north a pass.
Tu Quoques are still stupid.
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albusteve Sun, Jun 27, 2010 12:43:32pm |
re: #88 windsagio
I don't really want to argue with you, but I'd suggest that northern racists have nothing to do with justifying racists anywhere else.
I understand why people feel defensive, but you simply can't deny the history of systemic racism, or the klan, or whatever.
Again nobody is saying that everyone in the south is an evil racist, but deflecting, or pulling a TQ or anything, doesn't add to the conversation at all.
what conversation?...where most racists live or where they originate?...ho hum
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Randall Gross Sun, Jun 27, 2010 12:43:41pm |
re: #85 Jimmah
Love how she claims to be speaking for millions. In her addled mind she probably actually believes that.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Jun 27, 2010 12:43:42pm |
re: #91 jaunte
Racists have coopted the Confederate battle flag.
Not a knock on non-racist southerners, it's just the way it is.
I don't think it's really been coopted. It's always been a symbol of racism and slavery. I think it's been whitewashed in recent history.
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Aceofwhat? Sun, Jun 27, 2010 12:43:46pm |
re: #97 sproingie
I think it's more the lack of stereotypes for northerners. Take a look at Joe Barton and he's just a tobaccy chaw away from fitting the standard cracker mold. Who stereotypes the north? Alec Baldwin? It just doesn't stick.
I know there are plenty of reasonably hip and urbane southerners. It'd be nice to see one or two of them hold office once in a while.
Charlie Crist!
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shutdown Sun, Jun 27, 2010 12:43:58pm |
re: #85 Jimmah
I understand and agree with some of your points, especially as they apply to Geller. But the attempt to dress up a mosque at Ground Zero as an outreach undertaking is as disingenuous as building a church at Auschwitz. At best, the idea is misguided, at worst, a blatant attempt to deflect attention from what happened that day. It would not surprise me if ultimately, Saudi money was found behind the folks pushing the mosque. If the idea of building bridges is so appealing to the local Muslim community, a joint Christian/Muslim/Jewish community center or the like would be far more appropriate than a mosque no "infidel" would be comfortable entering.
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justaminute Sun, Jun 27, 2010 12:43:59pm |
re: #86 HoosierHoops
I'm moving to Ok. This Summer...
Think I'll buy a cowboy hat... *wink*
Just get a baseball hat with the OU logo on it, you will fit right in.
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windsagio Sun, Jun 27, 2010 12:44:06pm |
re: #101 Killgore Trout
I don't think it's really been coopted. It's always been a symbol of racism and slavery. I think it's been whitewashed in recent history.
for emphasis.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Sun, Jun 27, 2010 12:44:08pm |
re: #91 jaunte
Racists have coopted the Confederate battle flag.
Not a knock on non-racist southerners, it's just the way it is.
Given that the "battle flag" in question was hoisted to perpetuate a racially based castes system of chattel slavery, it is disingenuous to insinuate it was ever anything other than racist. People who talk about "States Rights" truncate the statement in much the same way they truncate the second law of Thermodynamics when they want to deny evolution.
State's Rights to do what?
Maintain a slave economy.
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windsagio Sun, Jun 27, 2010 12:44:57pm |
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Cato the Elder Sun, Jun 27, 2010 12:45:34pm |
re: #85 Jimmah
OT but still very much in the crazy wingnut arena : Pamela Geller has posted an utterly disingenuous "Heartfelt Plea" to muslims concerning the planned Cordoba building (MEGA-MOSQUE!) in downtown New York (GROUND ZERO!).
I call upon your conscience, your goodness, your love of America, to move you to reconsider. More rallies will be staged -- tens of thousands will show. People might get hurt in a sit-in trying to stop the ground breaking of a mosque looking down on Ground Zero. Why? In the interest of building bridges?
So, if you're not OUTRAGED by the mosque, you aren't a patriot. And definitely not a 'muslim of conscience'. Even when Geller thinks she's trying to be nice, she just cant stop the slurs.
Heh.
Heads-up, Pam. The building is going to be renovated. There's no need to hold a ground-breaking.
And if "tens of thousands" of people show up, it will be thanks to you and your hysterical fascist friends.
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albusteve Sun, Jun 27, 2010 12:46:07pm |
re: #86 HoosierHoops
I'm moving to Ok. This Summer...
Think I'll buy a cowboy hat... *wink*
use the cheap straw ones from 7-11....$5
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Sun, Jun 27, 2010 12:46:09pm |
re: #94 Thanos
Yep, we had the twin of this discussion over the Celtic Cross awhile back too.
ONly it isn't really a twin discussion. The Celtic cross was once and still is a legitimate ethnic expression in its own right.
The Stars and Bars were never anything other than a treasonous set of colors designed to shed blood for the right to brutally denigrate, torment, dehumanize, abuse and enslave other human beings on the basis of race.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Jun 27, 2010 12:46:52pm |
re: #70 windsagio
Its tricky, because there is a problem, and its real...
Still I wouldn't wanna feel painted either.
'
That being said, not many Northern neoconfedeerates!
True, but their racism is just as vile and just as evident
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Spare O'Lake Sun, Jun 27, 2010 12:46:53pm |
re: #23 windsagio
That's exactly what I mean.
He had an excellent talent, that doesn't mean he was that with it all around.
We have a tendency to overestimate good generals outside of their military careers.
That's what I love about all youse war-lovin' imperialist Merkins.
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Aceofwhat? Sun, Jun 27, 2010 12:47:01pm |
re: #98 windsagio
yup thats totally what I'm doing, giving racism in the north a pass.
Tu Quoques are still stupid.
well, you did say "not many northern neoconfederates"...on a subject this sensitive, i'd either bring real strong proof with that or just not say it altogether.
just my .02!
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Digital Display Sun, Jun 27, 2010 12:47:04pm |
re: #104 justaminute
Just get a baseball hat with the OU logo on it, you will fit right in.
I'm already a huge Thunder fan...I'm going to get season Tickets for next season...
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Charles Johnson Sun, Jun 27, 2010 12:47:10pm |
re: #85 Jimmah
This is all in reaction to my recent posts demonstrating her undeniable bigotry and hatred of ALL Muslims. Clearly, it hit a very big nerve, and now she's trying to paint herself as being on the side of Muslims.
It's beyond disgusting. It's evil to the core. It's exactly the kind of thing neo-Nazis do.
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The Left Sun, Jun 27, 2010 12:47:57pm |
re: #92 Killgore Trout
What an idiot.
Yeah. People might get 'hurt'. Like say, if they're Coptic Christians attacked by hysterical bigoted protesters.
Ground Zero Mosque" protest ends up, predictably, with racially-motivated hatred
Don't call these patriots bigots just because they harassed some Egyptian men for looking like Muslims
At one point, a portion of the crowd menacingly surrounded two Egyptian men who were speaking Arabic and were thought to be Muslims."Go home," several shouted from the crowd.
"Get out," others shouted.
In fact, the two men – Joseph Nassralla and Karam El Masry — were not Muslims at all. They turned out to be Egyptian Coptic Christians who work for a California-based Christian satellite TV station called "The Way." Both said they had come to protest the mosque.
"I'm a Christian," Nassralla shouted to the crowd, his eyes bulging and beads of sweat rolling down his face.
But it was no use. The protesters had become so angry at what they thought were Muslims that New York City police officers had to rush in and pull Nassralla and El Masry to safety.
More Pammy-fail.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Sun, Jun 27, 2010 12:48:10pm |
re: #115 Charles
This is all in reaction to my recent posts demonstrating her undeniable bigotry and hatred of ALL Muslims. Clearly, it hit a very big nerve, and now she's trying to paint herself as being on the side of Muslims.
It's beyond disgusting. It's evil to the core. It's exactly the kind of thing neo-Nazis do.
She's Jewish. That makes her a Kapo. You have no idea how much I hate that word - or revile her evil acts to write such a thing.
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Aceofwhat? Sun, Jun 27, 2010 12:48:29pm |
re: #101 Killgore Trout
I don't think it's really been coopted. It's always been a symbol of racism and slavery. I think it's been whitewashed in recent history.
Yeah, i'm with you. It's not like it used to be a Red Cross flag or a Buddhist meditation symbol or a bowling team...
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Aye Pod Sun, Jun 27, 2010 12:48:42pm |
re: #103 imp_62
At best, the idea is misguided, at worst, a blatant attempt to deflect attention from what happened that day. It would not surprise me if ultimately, Saudi money was found behind the folks pushing the mosque. If the idea of building bridges is so appealing to the local Muslim community, a joint Christian/Muslim/Jewish community center or the like would be far more appropriate than a mosque no "infidel" would be comfortable entering.
Sorry, could you tell me again how exactly you differ from Geller on this?
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jaunte Sun, Jun 27, 2010 12:49:06pm |
re: #101 Killgore Trout
I don't think it's really been coopted. It's always been a symbol of racism and slavery. I think it's been whitewashed in recent history.
Yes, that's right. People who would like to forget the bad parts of the nations' history are fantasizing.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Jun 27, 2010 12:49:07pm |
re: #113 Aceofwhat?
well, you did say "not many northern neoconfederates"...on a subject this sensitive, i'd either bring real strong proof with that or just not say it altogether.
just my .02!
I will never forget this
[Link: kaichang.typepad.com...]
(on the plaza at Boston City Hall during the busing riots)
Having been born and raised there and lived there for most of the 1st 45 years of my life, I can tell you that racism is alive and (sadly) well there
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Randall Gross Sun, Jun 27, 2010 12:49:24pm |
Stereotypical Northern bigots: Pat and Bay Buchanan, Kathy Shaidle (sp?) Scott Richert, Thomas Fleming, Father Coughlin, Charles Lindbergh, etc etc etc
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Aceofwhat? Sun, Jun 27, 2010 12:49:36pm |
re: #112 Spare O'Lake
That's what I love about all youse war-lovin' imperialist Merkins.
don't make us invade you/
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Spare O'Lake Sun, Jun 27, 2010 12:49:42pm |
re: #85 Jimmah
OT but still very much in the crazy wingnut arena : Pamela Geller has posted an utterly disingenuous "Heartfelt Plea" to muslims concerning the planned Cordoba building (MEGA-MOSQUE!) in downtown New York (GROUND ZERO!).
So, if you're not OUTRAGED by the mosque, you aren't a patriot. And definitely not a 'muslim of conscience'. Even when Geller thinks she's trying to be nice, she just cant stop the slurs.
Excellent critique, Jimmah. Kudos.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Sun, Jun 27, 2010 12:50:34pm |
re: #103 imp_62
I understand and agree with some of your points, especially as they apply to Geller. But the attempt to dress up a mosque at Ground Zero as an outreach undertaking is as disingenuous as building a church at Auschwitz. At best, the idea is misguided, at worst, a blatant attempt to deflect attention from what happened that day. It would not surprise me if ultimately, Saudi money was found behind the folks pushing the mosque. If the idea of building bridges is so appealing to the local Muslim community, a joint Christian/Muslim/Jewish community center or the like would be far more appropriate than a mosque no "infidel" would be comfortable entering.
I agree that I think it is in bad taste. However, I am not ready to assume that everyone behind it has bad motivations.
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justaminute Sun, Jun 27, 2010 12:51:11pm |
re: #114 HoosierHoops
I'm already a huge Thunder fan...I'm going to get season Tickets for next season...
You need to hurry up then. My husband and I are season ticket holders and our best friends are too. We have adjoining seats and we all wanted to move from where we were and there were not many available unless you have big money.
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zora Sun, Jun 27, 2010 12:51:21pm |
re: #71 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
imo, racists in the south are more pronounced because the feel the way the feel and they really don't give a fuck what you think about it. a pat buchanan type so to speak. it is easier to see racism from those who are openly expressing these ideas, who want to revise the history of chattel slavery, breeding, selling, raping, and trading of enslaved africans. there is nothing glorious about breeding a person to work for you until you have worked the life from them.
of course racists live everywhere and are more "in the closet" in some less "ballsy" regions of the county.
i am a southern girl and find the south to be most "hospitable" when compared to other places i've visited. i also like the south's kick ass attitude. it makes for some really strong people and some really great soldiers.
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windsagio Sun, Jun 27, 2010 12:51:27pm |
re: #113 Aceofwhat?
well, you did say "not many northern neoconfederates"...on a subject this sensitive, i'd either bring real strong proof with that or just not say it altogether.
just my .02!
I also said 'neoconfederates' not 'racists'.
They're different, and the former ARE pretty damn rare in the north :p
Altho if people thought I meant the same thing this whole discussion makes a lot more sense to me >>
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Randall Gross Sun, Jun 27, 2010 12:51:32pm |
re: #85 Jimmah
You really ought to cut and past that into a page just to mark it...
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Charles Johnson Sun, Jun 27, 2010 12:51:56pm |
re: #103 imp_62
I understand and agree with some of your points, especially as they apply to Geller. But the attempt to dress up a mosque at Ground Zero as an outreach undertaking is as disingenuous as building a church at Auschwitz. At best, the idea is misguided, at worst, a blatant attempt to deflect attention from what happened that day. It would not surprise me if ultimately, Saudi money was found behind the folks pushing the mosque. If the idea of building bridges is so appealing to the local Muslim community, a joint Christian/Muslim/Jewish community center or the like would be far more appropriate than a mosque no "infidel" would be comfortable entering.
So you're fine with comparing all Muslims to the Third Reich?
Lovely.
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Aceofwhat? Sun, Jun 27, 2010 12:52:11pm |
re: #122 Thanos
Stereotypical Northern bigots: Pat and Bay Buchanan, Kathy Shaidle (sp?) Scott Richert, Thomas Fleming, Father Coughlin, Charles Lindbergh, etc etc etc
yeah. IMHO, the question of regionality is very low on the list of important modifiers or drivers with regard to modern american racism.
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reine.de.tout Sun, Jun 27, 2010 12:52:38pm |
re: #131 Aceofwhat?
yeah. IMHO, the question of regionality is very low on the list of important modifiers or drivers with regard to modern american racism.
Yes.
It's ugly regardless.
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Randall Gross Sun, Jun 27, 2010 12:52:51pm |
Good point on Celtic Cross vs. Confederate Flag all - the former was innocent at one time - the latter never was.
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Aceofwhat? Sun, Jun 27, 2010 12:53:59pm |
re: #128 windsagio
I also said 'neoconfederates' not 'racists'.
They're different, and the former ARE pretty damn rare in the north :p
Altho if people thought I meant the same thing this whole discussion makes a lot more sense to me >>
Yeah. i may not be familiar enough with the term, but i have hard time picturing a neoconfederate who is not a racist. so i think you've correctly identified the tangle in the thread.
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Randall Gross Sun, Jun 27, 2010 12:55:40pm |
re: #103 imp_62
Way to Godwin out to justify opposition to a house a worship.
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Digital Display Sun, Jun 27, 2010 12:56:41pm |
re: #126 justaminute
You need to hurry up then. My husband and I are season ticket holders and our best friends are too. We have adjoining seats and we all wanted to move from where we were and there were not many available unless you have big money.
Awesome! You know we'll have to hook up next season...I'll get tickets for Basketball.. I also want to go one time to see the Cowboys in the new Stadium...And an OU game on a Saturday...
Nice meeting you
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Aye Pod Sun, Jun 27, 2010 12:56:42pm |
re: #116 iceweasel
"I'm a Christian," Nassralla shouted to the crowd, his eyes bulging and beads of sweat rolling down his face.
This is how they treat brown Christians? Imagine if they had been 'muslims of conscience'?
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Lidane Sun, Jun 27, 2010 12:57:43pm |
*sigh*
God, this match has been a roller coaster. I've gone from spitting nails at the TV over a bullshit call to being heartbroken as I watch my team fall apart in real time.
Looks like I'll be rooting for Germany on Saturday.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Jun 27, 2010 12:57:55pm |
re: #127 zora
it is easier to see racism from those who are openly expressing these ideas
And therein lies the problem
here in Georgia, you can with almost 100% certainty spot a racists a mile away (I've lived here 11 years now)
Back in Boston where I spent most of the 1st 45 years of my life, it was just as widespread but much more covert
Both suck, but imho the latter is much more dangerous
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HappyWarrior Sun, Jun 27, 2010 12:58:08pm |
Isn't Stacy McCain an open admirer of John C. Calhoun as well? That should tell you all you need to know. One thing to admire leaders who owned slaves such as Washington and Jefferson but it really says it all to admire one of the biggest apologists for slavery in the lead up to the Civil War.
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_RememberTonyC Sun, Jun 27, 2010 12:58:40pm |
re: #130 Charles
So you're fine with comparing all Muslims to the Third Reich?
Lovely.
don't mean to butt in, but i didn't think that was the intention of the poster at all. i think their point was more along the lines of being sensitive about offending those who find auschwitz or ground zero to be sacred ground. maybe i'm wrong, but that's how i saw it.
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CapeCoddah Sun, Jun 27, 2010 12:59:07pm |
re: #93 reine.de.tout
And I would say racism, wherever it exists and is active, is ugly, and northern racists don't deserve the pass you seem to have given them above.
I have news for anyone who thinks freed slaves were welcomed with open arms in the North after the civil war. They faced harsh conditions wherever they went. It was the acceptable view at the time. Northerners hardly opened their doors and hearts en-masse after the war.They were not hired to do anything but those jobs they had done as slaves, the only difference is that they were paid for it, and could leave when they wished. Blacks were thought of everywhere as less human, less intelligent than any white. It was no better for black folks in the big picture here than it was anywhere else.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Sun, Jun 27, 2010 12:59:18pm |
re: #122 Thanos
Stereotypical Northern bigots: Pat and Bay Buchanan, Kathy Shaidle (sp?) Scott Richert, Thomas Fleming, Father Coughlin, Charles Lindbergh, etc etc etc
Point is taken. And I updinged you. However, enough with the "they did it too."
The North is much more diverse and educated in general. The real racist swine stick out like sore thumbs in northern media and generally know to keep that shit to themselves for the last several decades.
To claim that there is still not the stain of Slavery enhanced by a twisted form of Baptism that is uniquely Southern going on here is to be blind to realities of the American South.
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The Left Sun, Jun 27, 2010 12:59:19pm |
re: #103 imp_62
I understand and agree with some of your points, especially as they apply to Geller. But the attempt to dress up a mosque at Ground Zero as an outreach undertaking is as disingenuous as building a church at Auschwitz. At best, the idea is misguided, at worst, a blatant attempt to deflect attention from what happened that day. It would not surprise me if ultimately, Saudi money was found behind the folks pushing the mosque. If the idea of building bridges is so appealing to the local Muslim community, a joint Christian/Muslim/Jewish community center or the like would be far more appropriate than a mosque no "infidel" would be comfortable entering.
It isn't a mosque. It will be a community center for all of downtown, like the 92nd St Y for uptown:
This proposed project is about promoting integration, tolerance of difference and community cohesion through arts and culture. Cordoba House will provide a place where individuals, regardless of their backgrounds, will find a center of learning, art and culture; and most importantly, a center guided by Islamic values in their truest form - compassion, generosity, and respect for all.
The site will contain tremendous amounts of resources that otherwise would not exist in Lower Manhattan; a 500-seat auditorium, swimming pool, art exhibition spaces, bookstores, restaurants - all these services would form a cultural nexus for a region of New York City that, as it continues to grow, requires the sort of hub that Cordoba House will provide.
It's going to include a prayer space for Muslims -- and also a memorial to the 9-11 victims.
Naturally, this doesn't stop people from portraying it as the "ground zero mosque".
Also, these guys have been in Tribeca for something like 20 years. They're as much a part of the downtown community as anyone else.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Jun 27, 2010 1:00:37pm |
nice goal Mexico!
Argentina 3/ Mexico 1
BUT ,, too little too late!?!
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shutdown Sun, Jun 27, 2010 1:00:41pm |
re: #146 iceweasel
Then I stand corrected and am ashamed of my ignorance. Thanks for taking the time to set me straight.
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Charles Johnson Sun, Jun 27, 2010 1:01:15pm |
re: #142 _RememberTonyC
don't mean to butt in, but i didn't think that was the intention of the poster at all. i think their point was more along the lines of being sensitive about offending those who find auschwitz or ground zero to be sacred ground. maybe i'm wrong, but that's how i saw it.
The 9/11 attacks were horrific, there's no doubt about that.
But comparing those attacks to what happened at Auschwitz is simply wrong.
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zora Sun, Jun 27, 2010 1:01:27pm |
re: #86 HoosierHoops
you should. cowboys are sexy. you have to get at least one pair of tight jeans and a big belt buckle.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Sun, Jun 27, 2010 1:01:32pm |
re: #146 iceweasel
It's going to include a prayer space for Muslims -- and also a memorial to the 9-11 victims.
Naturally, this doesn't stop people from portraying it as the "ground zero mosque".
Also, these guys have been in Tribeca for something like 20 years. They're as much a part of the downtown community as anyone else.
This I did not know.
I take back what I said about it being in bad taste then.
I was misinformed. They have every right to renovate an existing center.
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windsagio Sun, Jun 27, 2010 1:01:46pm |
re: #134 Aceofwhat?
I know some freaking racist people (OR is actually weird that way, it has a long history of racial prejudice). The difference is they don't carry on about the 'lost cause', or revisionism into how the Civil War wasn't about Slavery, etc etc.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Sun, Jun 27, 2010 1:01:48pm |
re: #149 Charles
The 9/11 attacks were horrific, there's no doubt about that.
But comparing those attacks to what happened at Auschwitz is simply wrong.
And that too is correct.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Jun 27, 2010 1:02:25pm |
re: #145 LudwigVanQuixote
The real racist swine stick out like sore thumbs in northern media
no they don't
and generally know to keep that shit to themselves for the last several decades.
yes they do, hence my #140
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Aye Pod Sun, Jun 27, 2010 1:02:54pm |
re: #129 Thanos
You really ought to cut and past that into a page just to mark it...
Done!
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Sun, Jun 27, 2010 1:04:00pm |
re: #138 Jimmah
This is how they treat brown Christians? Imagine if they had been 'muslims of conscience'?
Repulsive all the way around. Just repulsive.
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Randall Gross Sun, Jun 27, 2010 1:04:22pm |
re: #145 LudwigVanQuixote
Well I would characterize myself as more aware of the divisions among the nativists and bigots than you, so let's not get into a pissing match over a minor distinction. The northern and southern bigots are both dangerous in their own ways, my point is that they are specific people, and our job isn't to worry about a region but rather to point out specific instances whenever and where ever we see them n'est ce pas?
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windsagio Sun, Jun 27, 2010 1:04:38pm |
re: #154 sattv4u2
well its 2 on 1 :p
But it also varies a lot from place to place, On the West Coast they stick out like crazy, and generally don't get into positions of any prominence... just about entirely a lower class phenominon. Dunno where Ludwig is tho'.
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shutdown Sun, Jun 27, 2010 1:04:56pm |
re: #149 Charles
That wasn't my point at all. I was (incorrectly, as pointed out by iceweasel), connecting the misplacement of allegedly good intentions inherent in both situations - Christians as well as Muslims being a bit tone-deaf to the emotional and historical context. Drawing the conclusion that I was equating 9/11 with the holocaust is a bit tenuous.
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_RememberTonyC Sun, Jun 27, 2010 1:05:06pm |
re: #149 Charles
The 9/11 attacks were horrific, there's no doubt about that.
But comparing those attacks to what happened at Auschwitz is simply wrong.
on so many levels that is true. the scale of death does not compare. but if you know anyone who lost people on 9/11 (my son's former college roommate lost his Dad on 9/11), they may see ground zero as very sacred ground. just sharing a different perspective here ...
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HappyWarrior Sun, Jun 27, 2010 1:05:10pm |
I really haven't been in the deep South ever. I'm from the DC suburbs part of Va so it's diverse here and many of the white families including my own are transplants. The most interesting thing I've observed is in my visits to the battlefields of Antietam and Gettysburg that there were more Confederate flags in the surrounding towns than I've ever seen here in Va. Honestly, I don't get the revering of the Confederacy. I realize that not all their generals were awful people but the idea of the Confederacy just annoys me. It's also petty revisionism to deny that slavery played a big role. Heck I recall reading that James Longstreet acknowledged it was a cause of the war. That got him some flack from the Lost Causers such as Jubal Early who by the way in his days as a Confederate general tried to invaded DC.
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reine.de.tout Sun, Jun 27, 2010 1:05:10pm |
re: #152 windsagio
I know some freaking racist people (OR is actually weird that way, it has a long history of racial prejudice). The difference is they don't carry on about the 'lost cause', or revisionism into how the Civil War wasn't about Slavery, etc etc.
I know a lot of racist people too, though I tend to keep a big distance.
I also know a lot of southerners. Like, 98% of everyone I know.
And there are some, but a very very few, who carry on as you described, and I've honestly heard maybe 3 people I've actually ever known carry on that way.
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Charles Johnson Sun, Jun 27, 2010 1:05:15pm |
re: #155 Jimmah
Done!
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
Good work. I edited the title, because it's important to use her real name in the title, to make sure Google picks it up.
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albusteve Sun, Jun 27, 2010 1:05:21pm |
re: #157 Thanos
Well I would characterize myself as more aware of the divisions among the nativists and bigots than you, so let's not get into a pissing match over a minor distinction. The northern and southern bigots are both dangerous in their own ways, my point is that they are specific people, and our job isn't to worry about a region but rather to point out specific instances whenever and where ever we see them n'est ce pas?
thanks for that
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sattv4u2 Sun, Jun 27, 2010 1:05:53pm |
re: #163 Charles
Good work. I edited the title, because it's important to use her real name in the title, to make sure Google picks it up.
you mean her "real name" ISN'T the Shrieking Harpy!!!
//
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reine.de.tout Sun, Jun 27, 2010 1:05:53pm |
re: #157 Thanos
Well I would characterize myself as more aware of the divisions among the nativists and bigots than you, so let's not get into a pissing match over a minor distinction. The northern and southern bigots are both dangerous in their own ways, my point is that they are specific people, and our job isn't to worry about a region but rather to point out specific instances whenever and where ever we see them n'est ce pas?
Thank you.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Sun, Jun 27, 2010 1:06:19pm |
re: #157 Thanos
Well I would characterize myself as more aware of the divisions among the nativists and bigots than you, so let's not get into a pissing match over a minor distinction. The northern and southern bigots are both dangerous in their own ways, my point is that they are specific people, and our job isn't to worry about a region but rather to point out specific instances whenever and where ever we see them n'est ce pas?
I apologize and do not mean to get into a pissing match with you. Even worse, I don not want to get into a which racist is more vile match. Both are fruitless and immature.
However, let's not kid ourselves. There is a Southern fired variety of this. That is just reality and it has very deep roots that are more acceptable in the South to express.
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Aye Pod Sun, Jun 27, 2010 1:06:56pm |
re: #163 Charles
Good work. I edited the title, because it's important to use her real name in the title, to make sure Google picks it up.
Good idea - thanks Charles.
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Charles Johnson Sun, Jun 27, 2010 1:07:43pm |
re: #159 imp_62
That wasn't my point at all. I was (incorrectly, as pointed out by iceweasel), connecting the misplacement of allegedly good intentions inherent in both situations - Christians as well as Muslims being a bit tone-deaf to the emotional and historical context. Drawing the conclusion that I was equating 9/11 with the holocaust is a bit tenuous.
You're upset about a community center at Ground Zero owned by Muslims -- and your first impulse is to compare it to a church at Auschwitz?
Sorry, I think this is way way over the top. If you've since rethought it, good for you. But you definitely did compare the Cordoba Project to the Third Reich.
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Randall Gross Sun, Jun 27, 2010 1:08:06pm |
re: #167 LudwigVanQuixote
I apologize and do not mean to get into a pissing match with you. Even worse, I don not want to get into a which racist is more vile match. Both are fruitless and immature.
However, let's not kid ourselves. There is a Southern fired variety of this. That is just reality and it has very deep roots that are more acceptable in the South to express.
Indeed, some of my relatives are still Southern bigots, and still get called out by me in uncomfortable moments at family reunions and affairs when they express it.
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albusteve Sun, Jun 27, 2010 1:08:16pm |
re: #160 _RememberTonyC
on so many levels that is true. the scale of death does not compare. but if you know anyone who lost people on 9/11 (my son's former college roommate lost his Dad on 9/11), they may see ground zero as very sacred ground. just sharing a different perspective here ...
calling it sacred ground gives me the creeps...there is nothing hallowed or holy about it
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Digital Display Sun, Jun 27, 2010 1:08:22pm |
re: #150 zora
you should. cowboys are sexy. you have to get at least one pair of tight jeans and a big belt buckle.
LOL
There will be no time while I live on this planet that I will ever.. And I mean ever wear anything with the Cowboys logo on it...Ever
I will go see the stadium because It's supposed to be the baddest Stadium on Earth....
/I hate the Cowboys...
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Sun, Jun 27, 2010 1:08:30pm |
re: #161 HappyWarrior
I really haven't been in the deep South ever. I'm from the DC suburbs part of Va so it's diverse here and many of the white families including my own are transplants. The most interesting thing I've observed is in my visits to the battlefields of Antietam and Gettysburg that there were more Confederate flags in the surrounding towns than I've ever seen here in Va. Honestly, I don't get the revering of the Confederacy. I realize that not all their generals were awful people but the idea of the Confederacy just annoys me. It's also petty revisionism to deny that slavery played a big role. Heck I recall reading that James Longstreet acknowledged it was a cause of the war. That got him some flack from the Lost Causers such as Jubal Early who by the way in his days as a Confederate general tried to invaded DC.
States Rights for what?
Simple question to one of these assholes.
Southerners who defend the Confederacy talk about the issue of slavery in the same way that Japanese text books talk about Harmin and Nanking.
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windsagio Sun, Jun 27, 2010 1:09:28pm |
re: #167 LudwigVanQuixote
I apologize and do not mean to get into a pissing match with you. Even worse, I don not want to get into a which racist is more vile match. Both are fruitless and immature.
However, let's not kid ourselves. There is a Southern fired variety of this. That is just reality and it has very deep roots that are more acceptable in the South to express.
Letting Ludwig speak for me to close that part of the discussion out, he said it pretty well.
That being said, a pox on the person who made this convo start!
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albusteve Sun, Jun 27, 2010 1:10:26pm |
re: #172 HoosierHoops
LOL
There will be no time while I live on this planet that I will ever.. And I mean ever wear anything with the Cowboys logo on it...Ever
I will go see the stadium because It's supposed to be the baddest Stadium on Earth...
/I hate the Cowboys...
they don't care just pony up sucker....ahahaha!
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Red Pencil Sun, Jun 27, 2010 1:10:31pm |
re: #157 Thanos
Well I would characterize myself as more aware of the divisions among the nativists and bigots than you, so let's not get into a pissing match over a minor distinction. The northern and southern bigots are both dangerous in their own ways, my point is that they are specific people, and our job isn't to worry about a region but rather to point out specific instances whenever and where ever we see them n'est ce pas?
Amen. Failing to taxonomize the Bigot family would be a failing akin to not understanding or appreciating the distinctions & divisions in the Jihadi family between Sunni and Shia.
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The Left Sun, Jun 27, 2010 1:10:44pm |
re: #151 LudwigVanQuixote
This I did not know.
I take back what I said about it being in bad taste then.
I was misinformed. They have every right to renovate an existing center.
The existing center purchased this new building, with the intent of making it a community center like the 92nd St Y for everyone. And downtown does need a place like that. If it truly is on the model of the 92nd st Y, and so far I haven't seen anything to suggest that it isn't, it'll be a great thing for downtown.
Moreover, I think many of those objecting to it aren't really aware of the geography of lower Manhattan. Visitors to Ground Zero won't even know this place exists. And as close or closer to Ground Zero you can find a strip club, (with people handing out flyers), a porn shop, and an OTB. No one shrieks about those being 'desecrations'.
If people want to be outraged over something to do with Ground Zero, be outraged at the pathetic excuse for a museum/vistors centre that is currently there. It's basically a way for people to buy the 9-11 experience. Racks of souveniers. Sickening.
I don't know what if any plans there are to change that-- I presume the official memorial, whenever it's completed, will do something about it (can't remember), but it's terrible.
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Gus Sun, Jun 27, 2010 1:11:30pm |
re: #103 imp_62
I understand and agree with some of your points, especially as they apply to Geller. But the attempt to dress up a mosque at Ground Zero as an outreach undertaking is as disingenuous as building a church at Auschwitz. At best, the idea is misguided, at worst, a blatant attempt to deflect attention from what happened that day. It would not surprise me if ultimately, Saudi money was found behind the folks pushing the mosque. If the idea of building bridges is so appealing to the local Muslim community, a joint Christian/Muslim/Jewish community center or the like would be far more appropriate than a mosque no "infidel" would be comfortable entering.
I don't understand or agree with your logic [sic] in all of your points. It should also be noted that there is a church inside Birkenau.
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HappyWarrior Sun, Jun 27, 2010 1:11:30pm |
re: #173 LudwigVanQuixote
States Rights for what?
Simple question to one of these assholes.
Southerners who defend the Confederacy talk about the issue of slavery in the same way that Japanese text books talk about Harmin and Nanking.
Yep. I always say in these debates, yeah states rights man to own another human being. I've seen some argue that it would have faded out naturally but it remained in Argentina and Cuba a generation after Lincoln signed the Emancipation. The other excuse I see used is that Lincoln was a tyrant and a bigot. Like Jeff Davis was this enlightened guy.
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justaminute Sun, Jun 27, 2010 1:11:54pm |
Try being married to a Muslim from Iran in Oklahoma. You sometimes wonder why you even look at anything on blogs. You have to have thick skin.
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Spare O'Lake Sun, Jun 27, 2010 1:12:09pm |
re: #142 _RememberTonyC
don't mean to butt in, but i didn't think that was the intention of the poster at all. i think their point was more along the lines of being sensitive about offending those who find auschwitz or ground zero to be sacred ground. maybe i'm wrong, but that's how i saw it.
Like it or not, as long as houses of worship of other religions are permitted there, there is absolutely no legal basis to deny a mosque. The Auschwitz analogy is not only inapplicable, it is a form of religious baiting.
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_RememberTonyC Sun, Jun 27, 2010 1:12:19pm |
re: #171 albusteve
calling it sacred ground gives me the creeps...there is nothing hallowed or holy about it
the location of the disputed cultural center seems far enough away that I don't see it as a major big deal. but if a family member of yours died in the World Trade Center on 9/11, there's a chance you'd feel differently about the area formerly occupied by the WTC on that infamous day.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Sun, Jun 27, 2010 1:13:21pm |
re: #177 iceweasel
The existing center purchased this new building, with the intent of making it a community center like the 92nd St Y for everyone. And downtown does need a place like that. If it truly is on the model of the 92nd st Y, and so far I haven't seen anything to suggest that it isn't, it'll be a great thing for downtown.
Moreover, I think many of those objecting to it aren't really aware of the geography of lower Manhattan. Visitors to Ground Zero won't even know this place exists. And as close or closer to Ground Zero you can find a strip club, (with people handing out flyers), a porn shop, and an OTB. No one shrieks about those being 'desecrations'.
If people want to be outraged over something to do with Ground Zero, be outraged at the pathetic excuse for a museum/vistors centre that is currently there. It's basically a way for people to buy the 9-11 experience. Racks of souveniers. Sickening.
I don't know what if any plans there are to change that-- I presume the official memorial, whenever it's completed, will do something about it (can't remember), but it's terrible.
Excellent post. Thank you for setting that straight. I was also misinformed about the geography. I had read once - in a now obviously false report - that the center was new and much closer to ground zero.
Under those assumptions, I saw it as a potentially callous PR stunt.
I am glad to find out those assumptions were wrong.
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windsagio Sun, Jun 27, 2010 1:13:33pm |
re: #182 _RememberTonyC
'sacred ground' is still freakin' creepy tho'.
Tragedy happened, lets not be crazy.
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Charles Johnson Sun, Jun 27, 2010 1:13:33pm |
McCain is still spewing hatred at me on Twitter, by the way.
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albusteve Sun, Jun 27, 2010 1:13:44pm |
re: #182 _RememberTonyC
the location of the disputed cultural center seems far enough away that I don't see it as a major big deal. but if a family member of yours died in the World Trade Center on 9/11, there's a chance you'd feel differently about the area formerly occupied by the WTC on that infamous day.
I had a family member die in the back bedroom a few years ago...I don't consider it a holy room
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prairiefire Sun, Jun 27, 2010 1:13:56pm |
A long duster style coat with a cowboy hat a la "The Long Riders"= Hot.
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shutdown Sun, Jun 27, 2010 1:14:38pm |
re: #169 Charles
You're upset about a community center at Ground Zero owned by Muslims -- and your first impulse is to compare it to a church at Auschwitz?
Sorry, I think this is way way over the top. If you've since rethought it, good for you. But you definitely did compare the Cordoba Project to the Third Reich.
I am unwilling to let this go. I compared a mosque at Ground Zero to a church at Auschwitz, and later elaborated why I did so. I did not compare 9/11 to the Holocaust. I have admitted to being wrong about Cordoba, and happy to do so. But I can't allow you, by simple repetition, to establish a fact that is not. It takes a great twist of rhetorical forensics to equate my analogy to somehow establishing an equivalency of two great, but unrelated horrors.
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_RememberTonyC Sun, Jun 27, 2010 1:15:23pm |
thanks Lizards ... time to go buy some food to throw on the grill for dinner ...
keep up the good fight ...
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prairiefire Sun, Jun 27, 2010 1:15:46pm |
re: #180 justaminute
Try being married to a Muslim from Iran in Oklahoma. You sometimes wonder why you even look at anything on blogs. You have to have thick skin.
How's business, justaminute? Hoops will have to try the food at your place.
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researchok Sun, Jun 27, 2010 1:16:09pm |
It has been reported Justice Ginzberg's husband has passed away.
Sad for the family. I wish them well.
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goddamnedfrank Sun, Jun 27, 2010 1:16:12pm |
re: #143 CapeCoddah
It was no better for black folks in the big picture here than it was anywhere else.
Except for the Black Codes and the Jim Crow laws and the geographic distribution of lynchings and paramilitary election violence you make an excellent point, as usual.
It doesn't have to be true, someone just has to be willing to say it.
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Charles Johnson Sun, Jun 27, 2010 1:16:48pm |
re: #188 imp_62
I am unwilling to let this go. I compared a mosque at Ground Zero to a church at Auschwitz, and later elaborated why I did so. I did not compare 9/11 to the Holocaust. I have admitted to being wrong about Cordoba, and happy to do so. But I can't allow you, by simple repetition, to establish a fact that is not. It takes a great twist of rhetorical forensics to equate my analogy to somehow establishing an equivalency of two great, but unrelated horrors.
OK. Quote:
...the attempt to dress up a mosque at Ground Zero as an outreach undertaking is as disingenuous as building a church at Auschwitz.
How is this not a comparison?
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Aye Pod Sun, Jun 27, 2010 1:18:14pm |
re: #177 iceweasel
If people want to be outraged over something to do with Ground Zero, be outraged at the pathetic excuse for a museum/vistors centre that is currently there. It's basically a way for people to buy the 9-11 experience. Racks of souveniers. Sickening.
That place is indeed tacky. A model/video of the memorial building within a gift shop. It took us about 3 minutes to survey the non-commercial content of that place IIRC.
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Digital Display Sun, Jun 27, 2010 1:18:58pm |
re: #177 iceweasel
I went to NYC once as a kid with my Aunt and Uncle.. Did the Staten Island ferry twice, The UN tour, 5th Ave, Times Square.. Etc..Etc ..Saw the off Broadway play the Fantaskics...
You know what sticks in my head?
The Churches and Cathedrals.. Esp..on the avenue of the Americas.. I'll never forget looking at the back seat windows going wow!
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researchok Sun, Jun 27, 2010 1:19:09pm |
re: #185 Charles
McCain is still spewing hatred at me on Twitter, by the way.
Of course he is. It isn't as if he can tar you with anything substantive.
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Aceofwhat? Sun, Jun 27, 2010 1:19:36pm |
re: #139 Lidane
*sigh*
God, this match has been a roller coaster. I've gone from spitting nails at the TV over a bullshit call to being heartbroken as I watch my team fall apart in real time.
Looks like I'll be rooting for Germany on Saturday.
So are you with HH and me on the subject of replay, at least w/regard to goals and cards? Because either the game is simply too challenging to referee correctly, or FIFA is too incompetent to select the correct referees.
Either way, this tournament has been disgraceful.
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Decatur Deb Sun, Jun 27, 2010 1:19:38pm |
re: #80 HoosierHoops
Didn't the Klan start in Indiana? I think they did..That's what I've been told here
It (1920's reincarnation) reached it's greatest electoral strength in Indiana.
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The Left Sun, Jun 27, 2010 1:20:12pm |
re: #103 imp_62
a mosque no "infidel" would be comfortable entering.
Just to add: the 96th mosque in NYC has all kinds of 'infidels' entering it all the time. University students taking a class in art or architecture are there constantly (to see examples of Islamic art and architecture), and the mosque is incredibly welcoming and helpful to them.
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justaminute Sun, Jun 27, 2010 1:21:17pm |
re: #191 prairiefire
How's business, justaminute? Hoops will have to try the food at your place.
My husband is in Iran for another 2 weeks and we have multiple managers running the restaurant. I am trying to keep a low profile there. But when I drive past the restaurant the parking lot is full. No one has been calling me so it is all good. That's what I keep telling myself.
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windsagio Sun, Jun 27, 2010 1:21:43pm |
re: #201 iceweasel
Shh, you're making it hard to demonize Islam!
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albusteve Sun, Jun 27, 2010 1:22:08pm |
re: #193 goddamnedfrank
Except for the Black Codes and the Jim Crow laws and the geographic distribution of lynchings and paramilitary election violence you make an excellent point, as usual.
It doesn't have to be true, someone just has to be willing to say it.
Chicago was one city where southern blacks felt reasonably comfortable, in spite of the segregation and Jim Crow laws....they took thousands and thousands of good, well paying jobs and where pretty much left alone....their hoods flourished with money, creating even more jobs and plenty of black southerners became rich, and even serving in the Thompson govt...talking from the 1890s through WW2
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The Left Sun, Jun 27, 2010 1:22:25pm |
re: #201 iceweasel
Just to add: the 96th mosque in NYC has all kinds of 'infidels' entering it all the time. University students taking a class in art or architecture are there constantly (to see examples of Islamic art and architecture), and the mosque is incredibly welcoming and helpful to them.
that should be 96th street mosque. Link here.
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shutdown Sun, Jun 27, 2010 1:22:41pm |
re: #195 Charles
How is this not a comparison?
Charles: I compared a Mosque to a Church in a certain context, which I have since admitted is incorrect. How is that equating Cordoba (even if it were solely a mosque) to the Third Reich? Especially considering I am a Jew whose family comes from Berlin, and who worked on the 98th floor of the North Tower? I am definitely not given to moral or historical obfuscation, or the general blurring of definitions. As to my true ignorance regarding the Cordoba project, I have already apologized. But as to being obliquely accused of minimizing the Holocaust, or becoming wild-eyed and fanatic about the Muslim community - it simply isn't there in my post.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Sun, Jun 27, 2010 1:23:29pm |
re: #179 HappyWarrior
Yep. I always say in these debates, yeah states rights man to own another human being. I've seen some argue that it would have faded out naturally but it remained in Argentina and Cuba a generation after Lincoln signed the Emancipation. The other excuse I see used is that Lincoln was a tyrant and a bigot. Like Jeff Davis was this enlightened guy.
Serious point here on the will not to believe when faced with a horror.
The ones that truly get my blood boiling are the assholes who try to paint slavery in the South as not that bad. They have this sick image of happy slaves singing away in the fields. Such lies are as brutal and evil as Holocaust denial. In fact it is exactly the smae kind of thing only used to falsely exonerate a different atrocity.
Of course its older. We don't have news reels from back then.
There are photos of torn backs and accounts of the worst suffering, but people have to think a little more to get the scope of the horror.
People naturally don't want to face real horrors. It came up recently in a conversation with my beloved Miss S. She was talking about Roman slavery and the various nasty things that the Romans did. Bull whips came up.
She's a good person. When she talks about such things, she doesn't immediately picture the physics involved - or the reality of tearing meaty strips off of someone - the realities of murdering slaves with them as an example to terrorize other slaves.
I showed her this video:
After she saw that she cried and told me that I am a bastard. I suppose I am.
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Charles Johnson Sun, Jun 27, 2010 1:23:50pm |
re: #206 imp_62
Charles: I compared a Mosque to a Church in a certain context, which I have since admitted is incorrect. How is that equating Cordoba (even if it were solely a mosque) to the Third Reich? Especially considering I am a Jew whose family comes from Berlin, and who worked on the 98th floor of the North Tower? I am definitely not given to moral or historical obfuscation, or the general blurring of definitions. As to my true ignorance regarding the Cordoba project, I have already apologized. But as to being obliquely accused of minimizing the Holocaust, or becoming wild-eyed and fanatic about the Muslim community - it simply isn't there in my post.
Again, if you've rethought your comparison, that's great and I'm glad to see it. But I don't understand why you're insisting that you didn't make the comparison in the first place. You did.
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shutdown Sun, Jun 27, 2010 1:24:03pm |
re: #199 Aceofwhat?
So are you with HH and me on the subject of replay, at least w/regard to goals and cards? Because either the game is simply too challenging to referee correctly, or FIFA is too incompetent to select the correct referees.
Either way, this tournament has been disgraceful.
Chips in the balls to determine when they cross the goal, and/or additional goal line referees along with limited instant replay or a must.
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RadicalModerate Sun, Jun 27, 2010 1:24:39pm |
Speaking as someone who lived all of his youth in the deep South (a good part of that taking place in the 1960s/1970s), there is still, in my mind, an unfortunate duality to the people.
On one hand, you have the hardcore evangelical, ultra-conservative, racist, segregationist, "south will rise again" types who are STILL influential on the overall cultural/political mentality of the region - and honestly I don't know how many more generations it's going to take before they are completely marginalized to absolute insignificance.
On the other - which I think speaks for the vast majority of the citizens is group of regular people who are still struggling to reconcile their regional cultural pride with a shared history that quite honestly leaves not a whole lot to be proud of - after all, they were on the losing end of the bloodiest war fought on American soil in this nation's history.
Making things even more difficult is the fact that the first group is using that "regional pride" hook to keep the rest of their disgusting crap in the common mindset as well.
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shutdown Sun, Jun 27, 2010 1:26:31pm |
re: #208 Charles
Again, if you've rethought your comparison, that's great and I'm glad to see it. But I don't understand why you're insisting that you didn't make the comparison in the first place. You did.
*sigh*. Again: I compared placing a church somewhere to placing a mosque somewhere. According to your reading, I said something along the lines of the Cordoba project intending to kick off the eradication of Jews, homosexuals and communists. It just didn't happen.
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Charles Johnson Sun, Jun 27, 2010 1:27:33pm |
re: #211 imp_62
*sigh*. Again: I compared placing a church somewhere to placing a mosque somewhere. According to your reading, I said something along the lines of the Cordoba project intending to kick off the eradication of Jews, homosexuals and communists. It just didn't happen.
I didn't write any of that.
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The Left Sun, Jun 27, 2010 1:27:36pm |
re: #196 Jimmah
That place is indeed tacky. A model/video of the memorial building within a gift shop. It took us about 3 minutes to survey the non-commercial content of that place IIRC.
What pisses me off most is that there was no list of the victims.
That seems to be to be a pretty damned major thing to have overlooked.
I guess they needed that space for more Tshirts.
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Aceofwhat? Sun, Jun 27, 2010 1:28:37pm |
re: #209 imp_62
Chips in the balls to determine when they cross the goal, and/or additional goal line referees along with limited instant replay or a must.
nah. use the CFB replay system...an official is always upstairs with replay at their fingertips to call down if they see a big blown call. no challenges or anything like that. Lawd knows there isn't enough important action in a soccer match to make this a terribly challenging enterprise.
if we bull-headed, arrogant Merikans can figure out whether the nose of a pigskin crossed the goalline with 22 large, helmeted men surrounding it without a GPS chip, surely the brain trust of the international community can use a similar replay system to figure out whether someone was offsides or whether the ball went 3' past the goalline or whether it hit someone's hand in the box...etc...etc...
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Sun, Jun 27, 2010 1:28:43pm |
re: #210 RadicalModerate
Speaking as someone who lived all of his youth in the deep South (a good part of that taking place in the 1960s/1970s), there is still, in my mind, an unfortunate duality to the people.
On one hand, you have the hardcore evangelical, ultra-conservative, racist, segregationist, "south will rise again" types who are STILL influential on the overall cultural/political mentality of the region - and honestly I don't know how many more generations it's going to take before they are completely marginalized to absolute insignificance.
On the other - which I think speaks for the vast majority of the citizens is group of regular people who are still struggling to reconcile their regional cultural pride with a shared history that quite honestly leaves not a whole lot to be proud of - after all, they were on the losing end of the bloodiest war fought on American soil in this nation's history.
Making things even more difficult is the fact that the first group is using that "regional pride" hook to keep the rest of their disgusting crap in the common mindset as well.
That is an excellent post.
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albusteve Sun, Jun 27, 2010 1:29:03pm |
re: #210 RadicalModerate
Speaking as someone who lived all of his youth in the deep South (a good part of that taking place in the 1960s/1970s), there is still, in my mind, an unfortunate duality to the people.
On one hand, you have the hardcore evangelical, ultra-conservative, racist, segregationist, "south will rise again" types who are STILL influential on the overall cultural/political mentality of the region - and honestly I don't know how many more generations it's going to take before they are completely marginalized to absolute insignificance.
On the other - which I think speaks for the vast majority of the citizens is group of regular people who are still struggling to reconcile their regional cultural pride with a shared history that quite honestly leaves not a whole lot to be proud of - after all, they were on the losing end of the bloodiest war fought on American soil in this nation's history.
Making things even more difficult is the fact that the first group is using that "regional pride" hook to keep the rest of their disgusting crap in the common mindset as well.
thanks for the clarity...no people are all of anything, and every place is a melting pot...outside of your local Little Italy maybe....trying to make and justify these distinctions is a waste of time no matter how many words you post...it's all one big fucking mess with plenty of responsibility to go around
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Sun, Jun 27, 2010 1:29:31pm |
re: #213 iceweasel
What pisses me off most is that there was no list of the victims.
That seems to be to be a pretty damned major thing to have overlooked.
I guess they needed that space for more Tshirts.
Such a list wouldn't sell as well. Carrion vultures selling relics of the destruction - made in China no doubt.
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Randall Gross Sun, Jun 27, 2010 1:29:38pm |
re: #206 imp_62
Dude, you went Godwin, got caught, just be a man and own it. You are trying to justify opposition to people freely expressing their religion, that's a right that's guaranteed by our constitution. You aren't going to find many of us strict constitutionalist ex-conservatives supporting you.
/ I won't call myself conservative anymore because Pam Geller, Robert Stacy McCain & their ilk have made it a dirty word.
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researchok Sun, Jun 27, 2010 1:30:05pm |
re: #201 iceweasel
Just to add: the 96th mosque in NYC has all kinds of 'infidels' entering it all the time. University students taking a class in art or architecture are there constantly (to see examples of Islamic art and architecture), and the mosque is incredibly welcoming and helpful to them.
For the most part I agree with you.
Still, it should be noted that the uptown mosque is first and foremost a religious institution while the 92nd St Y is in fact mostly secular.
When all is said and done, the downtown facility is not a religious institution per se. While there may be facilities for regular prayer services that is not the primary function.
If the facility will be used for political or religious intimidation you can be sure the backlash will be mighty.
What the city giveth, the city can taketh away- one way or another.
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The Left Sun, Jun 27, 2010 1:30:08pm |
re: #182 _RememberTonyC
the location of the disputed cultural center seems far enough away that I don't see it as a major big deal. but if a family member of yours died in the World Trade Center on 9/11, there's a chance you'd feel differently about the area formerly occupied by the WTC on that infamous day.
There's also a chance that you wouldn't.
Lots of the family members (most, as far as I know) have no problem with it. The community board itself approved the plans-- and they of all people would know how they feel about what's happening in their community.
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Gus Sun, Jun 27, 2010 1:31:08pm |
What happens when an interested tenant proposes to lease space in the future Freedom Tower to operate an Islamic organization? Do the Gellers of this nation propose that we create restrictions that allow only state sanctioned religious organizations around "Ground Zero"?
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Sun, Jun 27, 2010 1:32:00pm |
re: #221 Gus 802
What happens when an interested tenant proposes to lease space in the future Freedom Tower to operate an Islamic organization? Do the Gellers of this nation propose that we create restrictions that allow only state sanctioned religious organizations around "Ground Zero"?
Of course that is what they want.
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researchok Sun, Jun 27, 2010 1:32:15pm |
re: #221 Gus 802
What happens when an interested tenant proposes to lease space in the future Freedom Tower to operate an Islamic organization? Do the Gellers of this nation propose that we create restrictions that allow only state sanctioned religious organizations around "Ground Zero"?
You know they will!
Garbage in, garbage out.
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ReamWorks SKG Sun, Jun 27, 2010 1:33:21pm |
re: #25 LudwigVanQuixote
Speaking of this, Happy Gay Pride day!
(I'm boycotting the SF parade because of the endorsed participation of a pro-Hamas group that has a contingent in the parade.)
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Charles Johnson Sun, Jun 27, 2010 1:33:29pm |
re: #221 Gus 802
What happens when an interested tenant proposes to lease space in the future Freedom Tower to operate an Islamic organization? Do the Gellers of this nation propose that we create restrictions that allow only state sanctioned religious organizations around "Ground Zero"?
They will freak out, of course. It's what they do.
Maybe Geller and Spencer and their bigoted followers should start an initiative to ban all Muslims from New York entirely.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Jun 27, 2010 1:33:57pm |
re: #218 Thanos
I won't call myself conservative anymore because Pam Geller, Robert Stacy McCain & their ilk have made it a dirty word.
I've agreed with all you've said here except that
Fuck Them
I still call myself conservative (on most issues) because thats what I AM. I'm not going to let "them" steal that.
I call myself Italian despite Mussolini
I call myself Roman Catholic despite despicable acts perpetrated by some
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RadicalModerate Sun, Jun 27, 2010 1:34:24pm |
re: #216 albusteve
thanks for the clarity...no people are all of anything, and every place is a melting pot...outside of your local Little Italy maybe...trying to make and justify these distinctions is a waste of time no matter how many words you post...it's all one big fucking mess with plenty of responsibility to go around
Rural parts of the country (which the vast majority of the Southern US qualifies for) are very, very slow in catching up with the "melting pot" aspect. In many regions, families have lived on the same area (if not the same physical location) for multiple generations, and there is modernization to be sure, but the communities themselves are basically unchanged for hundreds of years in some places.
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Gus Sun, Jun 27, 2010 1:34:29pm |
re: #223 LudwigVanQuixote
Of course that is what they want.
Exactly. To lay the groundwork for Dominionism.
I see that "Arab money" was thrown out to create fear for the Cordoba Center. Well, turns out that according to my reading there will be Arab investors for the Freedom Tower to the tune of about 100 million dollars.
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Aceofwhat? Sun, Jun 27, 2010 1:34:49pm |
re: #225 reuven
(I'm boycotting the SF parade because of the endorsed participation of a pro-Hamas group that has a contingent in the parade.)
seriously??
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albusteve Sun, Jun 27, 2010 1:35:58pm |
re: #226 Charles
They will freak out, of course. It's what they do.
Maybe Geller and Spencer and their bigoted followers should start an initiative to ban all Muslims from New York entirely.
good one
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ReamWorks SKG Sun, Jun 27, 2010 1:37:05pm |
re: #35 abolitionist
It's a reference to the famous Rene Magritte series of paintings
Image: pipe.jpg
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The Left Sun, Jun 27, 2010 1:38:06pm |
re: #219 researchok
For the most part I agree with you.
Still, it should be noted that the uptown mosque is first and foremost a religious institution while the 92nd St Y is in fact mostly secular.
Correct. The 96th st building IS a mosque. It's not a community center but an Islamic Cultural Center.
But the downtown building, as it's proposed, will be like the Y though. It's explicitly intended for everyone and primarily secular. (hence the swimming pool, etc.)
I don't see any reason to suppose it won't be exactly what they're saying.
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Charles Johnson Sun, Jun 27, 2010 1:38:12pm |
re: #211 imp_62
According to your reading, I said something along the lines of the Cordoba project intending to kick off the eradication of Jews, homosexuals and communists. It just didn't happen.
I want to make something really clear here.
If I intended to write all that stuff about "eradication of Jews, homosexuals and communists," I would have written it.
Please don't put words in my mouth.
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albusteve Sun, Jun 27, 2010 1:38:27pm |
re: #228 RadicalModerate
Rural parts of the country (which the vast majority of the Southern US qualifies for) are very, very slow in catching up with the "melting pot" aspect. In many regions, families have lived on the same area (if not the same physical location) for multiple generations, and there is modernization to be sure, but the communities themselves are basically unchanged for hundreds of years in some places.
well that's the way it is....but there is plenty to like about the deep south...I'm no more outraged about southern racism than I am about NM racism toward indians out here
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Gus Sun, Jun 27, 2010 1:38:42pm |
No Mitsubishi auto dealerships shall be allowed in the vicinity of Pearl Harbor. This ban shall expire in the year 3941.
/
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Sun, Jun 27, 2010 1:38:49pm |
re: #225 reuven
Speaking of this, Happy Gay Pride day!
(I'm boycotting the SF parade because of the endorsed participation of a pro-Hamas group that has a contingent in the parade.)
Ughhh.... You know I really support gay rights... I would like it if the left understood the realities who is actually the bad guys over there. As it is now, I feel the need to throttle pretty much everyone.
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windsagio Sun, Jun 27, 2010 1:39:14pm |
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albusteve Sun, Jun 27, 2010 1:39:53pm |
re: #236 Gus 802
No Mitsubishi auto dealerships shall be allowed in the vicinity of Pearl Harbor. This ban shall expire in the year 3941.
/
ha! I was going to post about Japanese wind surfers in Pearl Harbor, yours is better...indeed
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Decatur Deb Sun, Jun 27, 2010 1:40:27pm |
re: #228 RadicalModerate
Rural parts of the country (which the vast majority of the Southern US qualifies for) are very, very slow in catching up with the "melting pot" aspect. In many regions, families have lived on the same area (if not the same physical location) for multiple generations, and there is modernization to be sure, but the communities themselves are basically unchanged for hundreds of years in some places.
Our small (75,000) Deep South town is atypical. A former mayor and a few old families are Lebanese Christians. Our small Reform Temple is 77 yrs old. (It recently started a program of economic subsidies to bring young Jewish families to their aging congregation.) There is one Catholic church, with an Irish immigrant pastor.
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The Left Sun, Jun 27, 2010 1:40:45pm |
re: #226 Charles
They will freak out, of course. It's what they do.
Maybe Geller and Spencer and their bigoted followers should start an initiative to ban all Muslims from New York entirely.
I don't doubt for one second that they would if they could.
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Gus Sun, Jun 27, 2010 1:40:53pm |
re: #229 Gus 802
The Arab investment, a company called Related, is one of two finalists -- so that hasn't been approved yet. Of course that comes with the associated outrage.
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ReamWorks SKG Sun, Jun 27, 2010 1:41:15pm |
re: #230 Aceofwhat?
Yes. There's a group called "QUIT" that in the past has tampered with Israeli-imported food at Trader Joe's stores, and is also picketing the GLBT film festival and defacing their ads because of an Israeli film that's in it.
[Link: www.sfbaytimes.com...]
Why they support Hamas, which legislates the death penalty for homosexual relations is beyond me. I guess these homosexuals hate Jews more than they love themselves.
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albusteve Sun, Jun 27, 2010 1:41:31pm |
re: #238 windsagio
Gah, I can't resist!
And yet you freak out when people mention racism in AZ >>
only the phony racism the new law is accused of being...an entirely different thing
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Randall Gross Sun, Jun 27, 2010 1:41:51pm |
re: #227 sattv4u2
I won't call myself conservative anymore because Pam Geller, Robert Stacy McCain & their ilk have made it a dirty word.
I've agreed with all you've said here except that
Fuck Them
I still call myself conservative (on most issues) because thats what I AM. I'm not going to let "them" steal that.
I call myself Italian despite Mussolini
I call myself Roman Catholic despite despicable acts perpetrated by some
Like most things, words and their meanings change over time - when society starts viewing a political descriptive as a negative it's time to stop being that. The facts are that most who label themselves conservative (still shows up larger in polling that either "Liberal" or "Moderate" as a self descriptive) now seem to have little trouble associating with birchers, birthers, bigots, and bileous theocrats. Since that is the case, no matter what they say their philosophy is their actions and associations say more over time than their words -- being labeled "Conservative" will be as problematic as being labeled "Liberal" was a few years back. The demographics are dictating that change, they are inexorable.
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Spare O'Lake Sun, Jun 27, 2010 1:42:07pm |
If the families of the 9-11 victims don't think there should be a Saudi-funded religious centre at ground zero, then I support them. And dressing it up by incorporating it into a Saudi-funded community centre doesn't make it more palatable, in fact it makes it less so.
But here's the catch: it's perfectly legal and constitutionally protected, so tough shit for me and for any others who oppose the idea.
Imam Abdul Rauf, who also speaks Arabic fluently, told Asharq Al-Awsat that the Islamic centre will be financed through contributions from Muslims in the US, as well as by donations from Arab and Islamic countries.
[Link: www.asharq-e.com...]
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Sun, Jun 27, 2010 1:43:04pm |
re: #243 Gus 802
The Arab investment, a company called Related, is one of two finalists -- so that hasn't been approved yet. Of course that comes with the associated outrage.
Of course, falsely shrieking about that also distracts attention from where the real Arab money goes in the US government.
How big is the Saudi lobby?
Do you think that they help or hinder our policy in the ME or more importantly on AGW?
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abolitionist Sun, Jun 27, 2010 1:43:22pm |
re: #232 reuven
It's a reference to the famous Rene Magritte series of paintings
Image: pipe.jpg
Thanks.
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albusteve Sun, Jun 27, 2010 1:43:23pm |
re: #247 Spare O'Lake
If the families of the 9-11 victims don't think there should be a Saudi-funded religious centre at ground zero, then I support them. And dressing it up by incorporating it into a Saudi-funded community centre doesn't make it more palatable, in fact it makes it less so.
But here's the catch: it's perfectly legal and constitutionally protected, so tough shit for me and for any others who oppose the idea.
here's another catch...it's not at ground zero!
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Mocking Jay Sun, Jun 27, 2010 1:44:05pm |
I just got back from seeing mom in the hospital. She's in good enough spirits to nag the hell out of me, which I'm taking as a really good sign.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Sun, Jun 27, 2010 1:44:27pm |
re: #236 Gus 802
No Mitsubishi auto dealerships shall be allowed in the vicinity of Pearl Harbor. This ban shall expire in the year 3941.
/
If you drop that sarc tag, I'll agree with you. To this day I won't buy a Mistubishi.
Of course the list of companies I boycott is extensive.
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researchok Sun, Jun 27, 2010 1:44:44pm |
Iraqi-American columnist Khudhayr Taher published an article in the Arab online liberal daily Elaph.com on May 18, 2010 in which he warns against the desire to turn the U.S. into a Muslim country. Taher called upon the American administration to ban the building of mosques, and especially the Cordoba Mosque, planned for construction near Ground Zero in New York, because, he says, these mosques pose a danger to the security of the U.S. as they are centers for spreading extremist and terrorist ideas.
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freetoken Sun, Jun 27, 2010 1:45:17pm |
Geller et. al. I see as the inverse of the following:
Muslim Groups Talk War Over ‘Christianization’
In a move that could add to already simmering religious tensions in Bekasi, a new group calling itself the Bekasi Islamic Presidium is planning a roadshow aimed at persuading every mosque in the city to prepare for the possibility of “war” against “Christianization.”
The group, consisting of nine members representing different Islamic organizations in the city, was formed on Sunday, the last day of the Bekasi Islamic Congress at Al Azhar Mosque that was convened to address the so-called Christianization problem.
Among its recommendations is the formation of Islamic militant groups, or laskar, within each mosque and the drafting of Shariah-based policies by the Bekasi administration.
“All Muslims should unite and be on guard because … the Christians are up to something,” Mur hali Barda, head of the Bekasi chapter of the hard-line Islamic Defenders Front (FPI), told the Jakarta Globe.
Religious suspicion and intolerance are nearly universal qualities. So is racism. As I've mentioned before, it really is the bronze-age My-God-Is-Bigger-Than-Your-God thinking coming to the fore.
Not all religious people have been modernized. Now, I'm not going to blame all the world's problems on religion, but in this instance with the fear-mongering over the proposed Islamic center in Manhattan, and with the instance of fear of Chrisitian missionaries in parts of Indonesia, etc. we really are seeing the downside to religion - it can enable instituted bigotry.
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Gus Sun, Jun 27, 2010 1:45:24pm |
re: #248 LudwigVanQuixote
Of course, falsely shrieking about that also distracts attention from where the real Arab money goes in the US government.
How big is the Saudi lobby?
Do you think that they help or hinder our policy in the ME or more importantly on AGW?
On AGW they detract or hinder. On other policy matters the Saudis are tough to figure out. One moment they seem to be on "our side" and then the next it seems not. The Saudis and the USA do however enjoy a great deal of military cooperation.
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Decatur Deb Sun, Jun 27, 2010 1:45:25pm |
re: #251 JasonA
I just got back from seeing mom in the hospital. She's in good enough spirits to nag the hell out of me, which I'm taking as a really good sign.
Wait till she gets home and learns to work the system. Don't let her anywhere near a bell.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Sun, Jun 27, 2010 1:45:45pm |
re: #244 reuven
Yes. There's a group called "QUIT" that in the past has tampered with Israeli-imported food at Trader Joe's stores, and is also picketing the GLBT film festival and defacing their ads because of an Israeli film that's in it.
[Link: www.sfbaytimes.com...]
Why they support Hamas, which legislates the death penalty for homosexual relations is beyond me. I guess these homosexuals hate Jews more than they love themselves.
Yeah double think is horrifying to see. The only Middle Eastern nation that routinely gives asylum to Arab gays fearing for their lives is Israel.
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Gus Sun, Jun 27, 2010 1:46:42pm |
re: #253 researchok
Right. Let's rip up a good portion of the 1st Amendment and the Establishment Clause.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Jun 27, 2010 1:46:48pm |
re: #252 LudwigVanQuixote
If you drop that sarc tag, I'll agree with you. To this day I won't buy a Mistubishi.
Of course the list of companies I boycott is extensive.
What do you have against the people of Savannah Georgia?
[Link: www.globalatlanta.com...]
:)
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Lidane Sun, Jun 27, 2010 1:47:28pm |
My grief over this match has moved on to the anger stage.
¡Viva México cabrones! Yes, they lost. I don't care. I'm still loyal to my boys. And FIFA can go fuck themselves with their lack of goal line technology or video replays. Seriously. This is just beyond ridiculous now. =P
Also? Screw Argentina. I hope Germany absolutely crushes them on Saturday.
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Charles Johnson Sun, Jun 27, 2010 1:47:45pm |
Looks like buzzsawmonkey is over there at McCain's hate hole impersonating me again.
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Aceofwhat? Sun, Jun 27, 2010 1:48:15pm |
re: #237 LudwigVanQuixote
Ughhh... You know I really support gay rights... I would like it if the left understood the realities who is actually the bad guys over there. As it is now, I feel the need to throttle pretty much everyone.
yeah, that's why i asked Reuven if it was the truth. it's like inviting a KKK contingent to a national black history month...hello...McFly...is anybody home, McFly?
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reine.de.tout Sun, Jun 27, 2010 1:48:33pm |
re: #241 Decatur Deb
Our small (75,000) Deep South town is atypical. A former mayor and a few old families are Lebanese Christians. Our small Reform Temple is 77 yrs old. (It recently started a program of economic subsidies to bring young Jewish families to their aging congregation.) There is one Catholic church, with an Irish immigrant pastor.
This is similar to the town where I grew up, only we had 3 Catholic churches.
But all the groups you mentioned, there, active in local affairs and politics, along with others you didn't mention.
I'm not sure how atypical it is. It certainly isn't the norm, but not completely unheard of. May I introduce Kaplan, Louisiana, the "gateway to Acadiana" named for its founder, Mr. Abrom Kaplan, neither Catholic nor Cajun.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Jun 27, 2010 1:48:52pm |
re: #261 Charles
Looks like buzzsawmonkey is over there at McCain's hate hole impersonating me again.
he's being reasonable and intelligent?
I doubt he can pull it off!!
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ReamWorks SKG Sun, Jun 27, 2010 1:48:57pm |
re: #250 albusteve
That's an excellent point. It doesn't impinge on the original footprint of the WTC. It's not even close, from the one time I checked the map.
I think the protests are silly. However there may be a grain of truth to the fact that the people behind putting this center in this location are trying to make an equally silly point. But personally, I have no opinion on this.
I grew up in NYC and watched the WTC being built. I was in Manhattan when Phillipe Petit crossed it. My brother and parents still live in Manhattan. Here's a photo of me taken in August 2001, on the top of the WTC.
[Link: www.flickr.com...]
I think the whole redevelopment effort has been too emotional.
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reine.de.tout Sun, Jun 27, 2010 1:49:00pm |
re: #263 reine.de.tout
This is similar to the town where I grew up, only we had 3 Catholic churches.
But all the groups you mentioned, there, active in local affairs and politics, along with others you didn't mention.
I'm not sure how atypical it is. It certainly isn't the norm, but not completely unheard of. May I introduce Kaplan, Louisiana, the "gateway to Acadiana" named for its founder, Mr. Abrom Kaplan, neither Catholic nor Cajun.
Link.
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Bear Sun, Jun 27, 2010 1:49:02pm |
re: #251 JasonA
Good! Won't be long before she will be running you ragged.
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reine.de.tout Sun, Jun 27, 2010 1:49:37pm |
re: #261 Charles
Looks like buzzsawmonkey is over there at McCain's hate hole impersonating me again.
No. Really?
Why? What is the point?
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Charles Johnson Sun, Jun 27, 2010 1:49:58pm |
re: #264 sattv4u2
he's being reasonable and intelligent?
I doubt he can pull it off!!
Of course not. He's spewing homophobic hatred, of course, using my name and the green football graphic.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Sun, Jun 27, 2010 1:50:03pm |
re: #251 JasonA
I just got back from seeing mom in the hospital. She's in good enough spirits to nag the hell out of me, which I'm taking as a really good sign.
I am so happy to hear that! So are you not eating enough or is it about girls?
;)
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albusteve Sun, Jun 27, 2010 1:50:43pm |
re: #265 reuven
That's an excellent point. It doesn't impinge on the original footprint of the WTC. It's not even close, from the one time I checked the map.
I think the protests are silly. However there may be a grain of truth to the fact that the people behind putting this center in this location are trying to make an equally silly point. But personally, I have no opinion on this.
I grew up in NYC and watched the WTC being built. I was in Manhattan when Phillipe Petit crossed it. My brother and parents still live in Manhattan. Here's a photo of me taken in August 2001, on the top of the WTC.
[Link: www.flickr.com...]
I think the whole redevelopment effort has been too emotional.
that's not you, that's Yogi Berra
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Gus Sun, Jun 27, 2010 1:50:58pm |
re: #242 iceweasel
I don't doubt for one second that they would if they could.
Ice! Check your direct messages on Twitter.
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Charles Johnson Sun, Jun 27, 2010 1:51:15pm |
re: #268 reine.de.tout
No. Really?
Why? What is the point?
There's no point. It's pure hatred, and he does it to amuse the other haters.
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Mocking Jay Sun, Jun 27, 2010 1:51:24pm |
re: #270 LudwigVanQuixote
I am so happy to hear that! So are you not eating enough or is it about girls?
;)
Funny thing is I've been taking better care of myself since the accident than I was before. No, I'm getting nagged over silly, minor things.
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Aceofwhat? Sun, Jun 27, 2010 1:51:27pm |
re: #244 reuven
Yes. There's a group called "QUIT" that in the past has tampered with Israeli-imported food at Trader Joe's stores, and is also picketing the GLBT film festival and defacing their ads because of an Israeli film that's in it.
[Link: www.sfbaytimes.com...]
Why they support Hamas, which legislates the death penalty for homosexual relations is beyond me. I guess these homosexuals hate Jews more than they love themselves.
It really is dissonance of Richter proportions...i can feel the aftershocks all the way over here in FL...
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reine.de.tout Sun, Jun 27, 2010 1:52:00pm |
re: #261 Charles
Looks like buzzsawmonkey is over there at McCain's hate hole impersonating me again.
I see a couple of other familiar nics there.
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Decatur Deb Sun, Jun 27, 2010 1:52:38pm |
re: #263 reine.de.tout
This is similar to the town where I grew up, only we had 3 Catholic churches.
But all the groups you mentioned, there, active in local affairs and politics, along with others you didn't mention.
I'm not sure how atypical it is. It certainly isn't the norm, but not completely unheard of. May I introduce Kaplan, Louisiana, the "gateway to Acadiana" named for its founder, Mr. Abrom Kaplan, neither Catholic nor Cajun.
When we visited the Church of the Incarnation in Bethlehem, we went around the corner to load up on olivewood tschotskes. I pointed to the sign over the vendor's door and told my wife "Look, the mayor's family".
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researchok Sun, Jun 27, 2010 1:52:43pm |
re: #273 Charles
There's no point. It's pure hatred, and he does it to amuse the other haters.
When you can't defend yourself, you find or create a group that thinks the same as you.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Jun 27, 2010 1:52:46pm |
re: #269 Charles
Of course not. He's spewing homophobic hatred, of course, using my name and the green football graphic.
Oh,, I thought you said he was "impersonating" you!!
//
:)
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Gus Sun, Jun 27, 2010 1:52:49pm |
re: #268 reine.de.tout
No. Really?
Why? What is the point?
Obsession.
They're like people that cut out letters from a magazine to write a kidnapping demand. Or have photos of their "victims" taped to the walls of their darkened homes.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Sun, Jun 27, 2010 1:53:55pm |
re: #269 Charles
Of course not. He's spewing homophobic hatred, of course, using my name and the green football graphic.
I don't get it. I really don't get why he is being so vile. He didn't always seem to be such a twisted, petty asshole. But now, all he does is straight out of a scummy middle school playbook. It isn't like TFK or the Rodent who were clearly missing a screw from the start.
I just don't understand how Buzzy went from being perhaps sexist and occasionally disagreeable but frequently smart - to utter twit writing nasty things on walls and behaving like a deranged, spiteful, child who needs mouth full of soap and a thrashing.
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Randall Gross Sun, Jun 27, 2010 1:53:58pm |
re: #268 reine.de.tout
No. Really?
Why? What is the point?
Because Charles lives in their heads - they can't get him out. Also because they were once respected members of a fabulous online community that punches very high above their weight in the blogosphere, and now they are shunned pariahs.
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albusteve Sun, Jun 27, 2010 1:54:18pm |
re: #278 researchok
When you can't defend yourself, you find or create a group that thinks the same as you.
buzz is quit the entertainer...I think Charles nailed it, he's the cream rising to the top
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Charles Johnson Sun, Jun 27, 2010 1:55:24pm |
McCain is also deleting any comments that criticize him.
See: [Link: twitter.com...]
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researchok Sun, Jun 27, 2010 1:55:47pm |
re: #281 LudwigVanQuixote
I don't get it. I really don't get why he is being so vile. He didn't always seem to be such a twisted, petty asshole. But now, all he does is straight out of a scummy middle school playbook. It isn't like TFK or the Rodent who were clearly missing a screw from the start.
I just don't understand how Buzzy went from being perhaps sexist and occasionally disagreeable but frequently smart - to utter twit writing nasty things on walls and behaving like a deranged, spiteful, child who needs mouth full of soap and a thrashing.
Anger doesn't influence character. It reveals character.
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reine.de.tout Sun, Jun 27, 2010 1:55:49pm |
re: #282 Thanos
Because Charles lives in their heads - they can't get him out. Also because they were once respected members of a fabulous online community that punches very high above their weight in the blogosphere, and now they are shunned pariahs.
I'm just astounded at the level of hate and obsession with LGF. It's amazing, really.
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Charles Johnson Sun, Jun 27, 2010 1:56:03pm |
re: #281 LudwigVanQuixote
I don't get it. I really don't get why he is being so vile. He didn't always seem to be such a twisted, petty asshole. But now, all he does is straight out of a scummy middle school playbook. It isn't like TFK or the Rodent who were clearly missing a screw from the start.
I just don't understand how Buzzy went from being perhaps sexist and occasionally disagreeable but frequently smart - to utter twit writing nasty things on walls and behaving like a deranged, spiteful, child who needs mouth full of soap and a thrashing.
He also sent me more than a hundred evil homophobic hate mails.
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reine.de.tout Sun, Jun 27, 2010 1:56:33pm |
re: #281 LudwigVanQuixote
I don't get it. I really don't get why he is being so vile. He didn't always seem to be such a twisted, petty asshole. But now, all he does is straight out of a scummy middle school playbook. It isn't like TFK or the Rodent who were clearly missing a screw from the start.
I just don't understand how Buzzy went from being perhaps sexist and occasionally disagreeable but frequently smart - to utter twit writing nasty things on walls and behaving like a deranged, spiteful, child who needs mouth full of soap and a thrashing.
Exactly how I feel.
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Decatur Deb Sun, Jun 27, 2010 1:56:59pm |
re: #281 LudwigVanQuixote
I don't get it. I really don't get why he is being so vile. He didn't always seem to be such a twisted, petty asshole. But now, all he does is straight out of a scummy middle school playbook. It isn't like TFK or the Rodent who were clearly missing a screw from the start.
I just don't understand how Buzzy went from being perhaps sexist and occasionally disagreeable but frequently smart - to utter twit writing nasty things on walls and behaving like a deranged, spiteful, child who needs mouth full of soap and a thrashing.
There's a reason the nuns taught us not to play with "evil companions"
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Sun, Jun 27, 2010 1:58:17pm |
re: #289 Charles
He also sent me more than a hundred evil homophobic hate mails.
Ohh, you don't need to convince me of the complete disintegration of his mental state. I have seen all sorts of things he has written. I also know the company he keeps online. He's delusional scum.
He is just one of those that shocked me more than others when the true colors began to show.
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RadicalModerate Sun, Jun 27, 2010 1:59:21pm |
re: #252 LudwigVanQuixote
If you drop that sarc tag, I'll agree with you. To this day I won't buy a Mistubishi.
Of course the list of companies I boycott is extensive.
I don't go quite that far in companies that I don't do business with, because if you look at the history of a lot of companies, many of their leaders had ties with *ahem* questionable beliefs and/or actions.
On the other hand, I look at what they believe in (or do) today as a gauge of whether I will do business with them.
Personal example for me would be my boycott of Chick-fil-a, because of the founder and company president S. Truett Cathy's ties to segregationism, and current support for Dominionism and donations to Exodus International (ie the ex-gay "deprogramming" group)
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albusteve Sun, Jun 27, 2010 1:59:42pm |
re: #290 reine.de.tout
Exactly how I feel.
only one or two people pushed back at him, then Charles got on his case and he went nuclear....whatever it was in him was there all along, it all happened so fast
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reine.de.tout Sun, Jun 27, 2010 2:00:17pm |
re: #292 LudwigVanQuixote
Ohh, you don't need to convince me of the complete disintegration of his mental state. I have seen all sorts of things he has written. I also know the company he keeps online. He's delusional scum.
He is just one of those that shocked me more than others when the true colors began to show.
I was surprised when I saw some things he had written (and some others, as well) about Iceweasel, who honestly isn't somebody I get along with half the time, but the things written were just so wrong, and so vile and mean-spirited - well, it was just wrong. I had my eyes opened, big-time.
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Reginald Perrin Sun, Jun 27, 2010 2:00:18pm |
re: #255 Gus 802
On AGW they detract or hinder. On other policy matters the Saudis are tough to figure out. One moment they seem to be on "our side" and then the next it seems not. The Saudis and the USA do however enjoy a great deal of military cooperation.
Most likely, the only times the Saudis are on "our" side is when it is to their economic advantage, or it aids their national security. In my humble opinion they are not reliable allies of the United States.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Sun, Jun 27, 2010 2:00:42pm |
re: #293 RadicalModerate
I don't go quite that far in companies that I don't do business with, because if you look at the history of a lot of companies, many of their leaders had ties with *ahem* questionable beliefs and/or actions.
On the other hand, I look at what they believe in (or do) today as a gauge of whether I will do business with them.Personal example for me would be my boycott of Chick-fil-a, because of the founder and company president S. Truett Cathy's ties to segregationism, and current support for Dominionism and donations to Exodus International (ie the ex-gay "deprogramming" group)
They too are on my list... Actually, one of the ways that Miss S. and I bonded was by comparing our lists of people we will not buy from.
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Randall Gross Sun, Jun 27, 2010 2:01:38pm |
OT: for those helping on the tweet front - just retweeting to the LGF stream doesn't spread it far and wide. It's good to add some appropriate hash tags for the right groups as appropriate to the post or tweet, here's a few of my favorites...
#tcot = "top conservatives on twitter"
#tlot - "top liberals on twitter"
#media = hashtag for those who follow journalists and their doings
#p2 = I think this one is "Progressives 2" someone correct me if wrong.
#science = science posts
#skeptic = skeptical posts
#wingnuts = dumping ground for tweets about wingnuts
#climate = AGW tweets
#teaparty = where those aforementioned wingnuts gather, along with #tcot
#atheist = atheist tweets
#atheism = also atheist tweets
Hash tags aren't always out there for every category you could name, search for them first to make sure they are used & read before you add to them.
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albusteve Sun, Jun 27, 2010 2:01:41pm |
re: #295 reine.de.tout
I was surprised when I saw some things he had written (and some others, as well) about Iceweasel, who honestly isn't somebody I get along with half the time, but the things written were just so wrong, and so vile and mean-spirited - well, it was just wrong. I had my eyes opened, big-time.
an adult tantrum...no more too it, his star crashed overnight here
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Aceofwhat? Sun, Jun 27, 2010 2:02:05pm |
re: #287 researchok
Anger doesn't influence character. It reveals character.
Updinged. And quite agree, although my addendum would be that persistent, chronic anger can twist one's character over time.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Sun, Jun 27, 2010 2:02:41pm |
re: #295 reine.de.tout
I was surprised when I saw some things he had written (and some others, as well) about Iceweasel, who honestly isn't somebody I get along with half the time, but the things written were just so wrong, and so vile and mean-spirited - well, it was just wrong. I had my eyes opened, big-time.
Yes. In this context, I owe an apology to Ice, back in the day, she got the correct read on him first and I defended him. I was wrong to do so.
Actually, I think it was Ice who brought it out of him. He simply can't stand that she is vastly smarter than he is. Women need to be in their proper place and all...
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Bear Sun, Jun 27, 2010 2:02:57pm |
Well with all the gloom and doom in the news I just saw a bright sight. The old doe came into the yard with her two fawns. I had not seen the doe for several weeks and wondered if a wolf or bear had gotten her. These are the first faun I have seen this year. Usually there are several doe with faun along the road. There have been a couple hard winters and some starvation reduced the population.
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Walter L. Newton Sun, Jun 27, 2010 2:03:04pm |
re: #286 Charles
McCain is also deleting any comments that criticize him.
See: [Link: twitter.com...]
Does the jerk actually believe he can actually hide anything? He is doing most everything he is doing on purpose, to gain attention, to make himself go from victim to hero to martyr to intellectual... or what ever other pathological personality types that reside in his little world.
Racism is like an a cancer, it's starts spreading to every ounce of someone's existence.
McCain is sick.
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reine.de.tout Sun, Jun 27, 2010 2:03:34pm |
re: #298 Thanos
OT: for those helping on the tweet front - just retweeting to the LGF stream doesn't spread it far and wide. It's good to add some appropriate hash tags for the right groups as appropriate to the post or tweet, here's a few of my favorites...
#tcot = "top conservatives on twitter"
#tlot - "top liberals on twitter"
#media = hashtag for those who follow journalists and their doings
#p2 = I think this one is "Progressives 2" someone correct me if wrong.
#science = science posts
#skeptic = skeptical posts
#wingnuts = dumping ground for tweets about wingnuts
#climate = AGW tweets
#teaparty = where those aforementioned wingnuts gather, along with #tcot
#atheist = atheist tweets
#atheism = also atheist tweetsHash tags aren't always out there for every category you could name, search for them first to make sure they are used & read before you add to them.
ooooh.
thanks for those!
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Sun, Jun 27, 2010 2:03:50pm |
re: #303 Walter L. Newton
Does the jerk actually believe he can actually hide anything? He is doing most everything he is doing on purpose, to gain attention, to make himself go from victim to hero to martyr to intellectual... or what ever other pathological personality types that reside in his little world.
Racism is like an a cancer, it's starts spreading to every ounce of someone's existence.
McCain is sick.
Well said Walter.
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Aceofwhat? Sun, Jun 27, 2010 2:04:52pm |
re: #301 LudwigVanQuixote
Actually, I think it was Ice who brought it out of him. He simply can't stand that she is vastly smarter than he is. Women need to be in their proper place and all...
on top?
/half
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Randall Gross Sun, Jun 27, 2010 2:06:23pm |
re: #304 reine.de.tout
oooh.
thanks for those!
Also remember -- if you see a hashtag that interests you can can always click on it to open it and follow the stream.
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Digital Display Sun, Jun 27, 2010 2:06:32pm |
re: #292 LudwigVanQuixote
Ohh, you don't need to convince me of the complete disintegration of his mental state. I have seen all sorts of things he has written. I also know the company he keeps online. He's delusional scum.
He is just one of those that shocked me more than others when the true colors began to show.
Amazing story as Buzz is a Jew..
Once a liberal arrived here (Ice) he just fucking lost it...
He literally crawled into a corner in the fetal position sucking his thumb...
At that point the only response from me was dude...Chill the hell out
His responses earned him a ban..He became Crass and ugly..
And So..There you have it Buzz...Your attacks on Women have been duly noted asshole
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Spare O'Lake Sun, Jun 27, 2010 2:07:11pm |
re: #250 albusteve
here's another catch...it's not at ground zero!
True, but only 200 metres away in a building which was hit by 9-11 plane landing gear:
Construction is yet to begin at the site where the mosque and Islamic center are set to be located, which is the former Burlington Coat Factory in Lower Manhattan, which was closed down in 2001 after the landing gear from one of the planes hit the building. This building is located approximately 200 meters from the former site of the World Trade Center, where 3,000 people died in the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks.
[Link: www.asharq-e.com...]
The Saudi funding is the other thing that really rankles me just as much as the feelings of the families of the 9-11 victims. The Saudi connection to 9-11 is just too much for me to swallow now, and makes all this talk of interfaith tolerance ring just a tad hollow.
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Randall Gross Sun, Jun 27, 2010 2:07:11pm |
re: #307 Thanos
Also remember -- if you see a hashtag that interests you can can always click on it to open it and follow the stream.
bleh.... "if you see a hashtag in a tweet that interests you..."
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Sun, Jun 27, 2010 2:08:54pm |
re: #306 Aceofwhat?
on top?
/half
You really need to be smacked for that...
Seriously though, I think that Buzzy, really can't take getting beaten by a girl.
Not sure of the pathology there and I am not sure I care. But lets face it, in terms of intellectual wattage, Ice is in the top percentile of Lizards and when Buzzy tried to go head to head with her, she actually rather politely, this was before she got angry at certain wingnuts here cut through his BS and he freaked out. ( I know nothing about doing such things myself nope, not at all, I am always cool headed you know...)
But Buzzy lost it.
He lost it so badly that it became obvious that his new crowd was always more suited to him.
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Daniel Ballard Sun, Jun 27, 2010 2:08:54pm |
re: #295 reine.de.tout
My hat is off to you who go into the muck to keep tabs on awful things posted. I ignore all that entirely, apart from what comes around, like here and at Thanos blog. Thanks for keeping a wary eye out.
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Mocking Jay Sun, Jun 27, 2010 2:10:50pm |
re: #298 Thanos
OT: for those helping on the tweet front - just retweeting to the LGF stream doesn't spread it far and wide. It's good to add some appropriate hash tags for the right groups as appropriate to the post or tweet, here's a few of my favorites...
#tcot = "top conservatives on twitter"
#tlot - "top liberals on twitter"
#media = hashtag for those who follow journalists and their doings
#p2 = I think this one is "Progressives 2" someone correct me if wrong.
#science = science posts
#skeptic = skeptical posts
#wingnuts = dumping ground for tweets about wingnuts
#climate = AGW tweets
#teaparty = where those aforementioned wingnuts gather, along with #tcot
#atheist = atheist tweets
#atheism = also atheist tweetsHash tags aren't always out there for every category you could name, search for them first to make sure they are used & read before you add to them.
Wait... hash comes in tag form now???
/
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tradewind Sun, Jun 27, 2010 2:10:51pm |
re: #293 RadicalModerate
Yeah, it's hard to avoid Chick Fil-A.
But you gotta do what you gotta do.//
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Decatur Deb Sun, Jun 27, 2010 2:10:53pm |
re: #307 Thanos
Also remember -- if you see a hashtag that interests you can can always click on it to open it and follow the stream.
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Aye Pod Sun, Jun 27, 2010 2:12:13pm |
re: #283 iceweasel
bs monkey's mental illness.
A truly odious, hateful character. It was evident to anyone who disagreed with him for a LONG time before his final meltdown and banning.
Any time he got into difficulties defending his bigoted crap, he would abandon any pretense of civil argument and start spewing obnoxious personal attacks and insults. The fact is, he couldn't argue his way out of a paper bag - he relied on his popularity to get him a pass through such exchanges and when that dried up, he was fucked (although not literally of course - I'm sure that's something that's never happened to him).
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Mocking Jay Sun, Jun 27, 2010 2:12:30pm |
re: #311 LudwigVanQuixote
Seriously though, I think that Buzzy, really can't take getting beaten by a girl.
Some people pay good money for that...
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Walter L. Newton Sun, Jun 27, 2010 2:12:46pm |
re: #309 Spare O'Lake
The Saudi funding is the other thing that really rankles me just as much as the feelings of the families of the 9-11 victims. The Saudi connection to 9-11 is just too much for me to swallow now, and makes all this talk of interfaith tolerance ring just a tad hollow.
Rankle, rankle, rankle... I can respect that you are rankled, I can understand why this is so distasteful, but the is no way in hell that anyone is going to find any legal reason to stop this place from existing. That's the game, that's how it's played, and there has been more than enough trampling on the edges of our freedom of speech and assembly in this country lately, and there is no way any any constitutional honoring American should turn around and try to pull the same fucking stunts.
Too bad, buck up, freedom hurts sometimes, and should.
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CuriousLurker Sun, Jun 27, 2010 2:12:48pm |
re: #85 Jimmah
OT but still very much in the crazy wingnut arena : Pamela Geller has posted an utterly disingenuous "Heartfelt Plea" to muslims concerning the planned Cordoba building (MEGA-MOSQUE!) in downtown New York (GROUND ZERO!).
So, if you're not OUTRAGED by the mosque, you aren't a patriot. And definitely not a 'muslim of conscience'. Even when Geller thinks she's trying to be nice, she just cant stop the slurs.
Wow, I think Ms. Geller has posted one of the best examples of concern trolling I've ever seen. It's pretty clear what she's up to.
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Charles Johnson Sun, Jun 27, 2010 2:12:59pm |
re: #298 Thanos
OT: for those helping on the tweet front - just retweeting to the LGF stream doesn't spread it far and wide. It's good to add some appropriate hash tags for the right groups as appropriate to the post or tweet, here's a few of my favorites...
#tcot = "top conservatives on twitter"
#tlot - "top liberals on twitter"
#media = hashtag for those who follow journalists and their doings
#p2 = I think this one is "Progressives 2" someone correct me if wrong.
#science = science posts
#skeptic = skeptical posts
#wingnuts = dumping ground for tweets about wingnuts
#climate = AGW tweets
#teaparty = where those aforementioned wingnuts gather, along with #tcot
#atheist = atheist tweets
#atheism = also atheist tweetsHash tags aren't always out there for every category you could name, search for them first to make sure they are used & read before you add to them.
Excellent comment, thanks. I would really like to see LGF readers using the sharing tools more; in addition to the Retweet button front page posts, and the little blue Twitter icon on Pages, the "Share" button also lets you post LGF stuff at almost any social website.
For some reason, people just aren't using these tools much -- but it would really help if you did.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Sun, Jun 27, 2010 2:13:22pm |
re: #316 Jimmah
A truly odious, hateful character. It was evident to anyone who disagreed with him for a LONG time before his final meltdown and banning.
Any time he got into difficulties defending his bigoted crap, he would abandon any pretense of civil argument and start spewing obnoxious personal attacks and insults. The fact is, he couldn't argue his way out of a paper bag - he relied on his popularity to get him a pass through such exchanges and when that dried up, he was fucked (although not literally of course - I'm sure that's something that's never happened to him).
I hope Ice is still on here. She would likely enjoy this convo.
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tradewind Sun, Jun 27, 2010 2:13:58pm |
re: #298 Thanos
Just wondering.... what's the difference between progressive#1 and progressive # 2?
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sattv4u2 Sun, Jun 27, 2010 2:14:22pm |
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Sun, Jun 27, 2010 2:14:43pm |
re: #317 JasonA
Some people pay good money for that...
Yes they do... But honestly Ice is not a Domme type. An actual Domme type would have Buzzy sucking his thumb and crying for his mama.
I am enjoying the irony of that last statement on its many levels.
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Aceofwhat? Sun, Jun 27, 2010 2:15:14pm |
re: #302 Bear
Well with all the gloom and doom in the news I just saw a bright sight. The old doe came into the yard with her two fawns. I had not seen the doe for several weeks and wondered if a wolf or bear had gotten her. These are the first faun I have seen this year. Usually there are several doe with faun along the road. There have been a couple hard winters and some starvation reduced the population.
white-tailed deer?
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tradewind Sun, Jun 27, 2010 2:15:32pm |
re: #312 Rightwingconspirator
I can barely..... actually, not even... keep up with what's smokin' at LGF, much less manage to explore the dark side. How do they find the time?
Maybe multiple screens?
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Decatur Deb Sun, Jun 27, 2010 2:15:43pm |
re: #318 Walter L. Newton
Rankle, rankle, rankle... I can respect that you are rankled, I can understand why this is so distasteful, but the is no way in hell that anyone is going to find any legal reason to stop this place from existing. That's the game, that's how it's played, and there has been more than enough trampling on the edges of our freedom of speech and assembly in this country lately, and there is no way any any constitutional honoring American should turn around and try to pull the same fucking stunts.
Too bad, buck up, freedom hurts sometimes, and should.
True--it looks like Spare arrived there at #247.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Sun, Jun 27, 2010 2:15:47pm |
re: #320 Charles
Excellent comment, thanks. I would really like to see LGF readers using the sharing tools more; in addition to the Retweet button front page posts, and the little blue Twitter icon on Pages, the "Share" button also lets you post LGF stuff at almost any social website.
For some reason, people just aren't using these tools much -- but it would really help if you did.
Noted.
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tradewind Sun, Jun 27, 2010 2:15:58pm |
re: #325 PhillyPretzel
Oh, I'm sure some of them have 'em.//
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PhillyPretzel Sun, Jun 27, 2010 2:17:06pm |
re: #330 tradewind
Probably do. Heaven knows where they got them from.
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Charles Johnson Sun, Jun 27, 2010 2:18:43pm |
Since McCain is tweeting all over the place that he isn't getting many hits from my link (who wants to visit a racist website, anyway?) I just checked to see how many visits have come from his link to LGF.
6.
That's SIX. Total.
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Spare O'Lake Sun, Jun 27, 2010 2:18:44pm |
re: #318 Walter L. Newton
Rankle, rankle, rankle... I can respect that you are rankled, I can understand why this is so distasteful, but the is no way in hell that anyone is going to find any legal reason to stop this place from existing. That's the game, that's how it's played, and there has been more than enough trampling on the edges of our freedom of speech and assembly in this country lately, and there is no way any any constitutional honoring American should turn around and try to pull the same fucking stunts.
Too bad, buck up, freedom hurts sometimes, and should.
That's exactly what I said in my next preceding comment - tough shit for me, it's legal.
BTW did I say rankle? Oh crap, sorry, I meant ankle. Saudi funding gives me a sore ankle.
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Aye Pod Sun, Jun 27, 2010 2:19:08pm |
re: #321 LudwigVanQuixote
I hope Ice is still on here. She would likely enjoy this convo.
She's at the office-shop just now, getting some documents sorted out. I'm keeping her updated :)
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Mocking Jay Sun, Jun 27, 2010 2:19:18pm |
re: #324 LudwigVanQuixote
Yes they do... But honestly Ice is not a Domme type. An actual Domme type would have Buzzy sucking his thumb and crying for his mama.
I am enjoying the irony of that last statement on its many levels.
Heh. Familiar with some of the terminology, I see. ;)
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Gus Sun, Jun 27, 2010 2:20:30pm |
re: #311 LudwigVanQuixote
You really need to be smacked for that...
Seriously though, I think that Buzzy, really can't take getting beaten by a girl.
Not sure of the pathology there and I am not sure I care. But lets face it, in terms of intellectual wattage, Ice is in the top percentile of Lizards and when Buzzy tried to go head to head with her, she actually rather politely, this was before she got angry at certain wingnuts here cut through his BS and he freaked out. ( I know nothing about doing such things myself nope, not at all, I am always cool headed you know...)
But Buzzy lost it.
He lost it so badly that it became obvious that his new crowd was always more suited to him.
He and Zombie had (have) an obsession with homosexual men. Buzz would practice what I would call a form of Homophobic-McCarthyism whereupon he was attempting to tie gay rights with Marxism. Zombie would always trout out the tired and overused photo spread of a particular event in San Francisco including the discredited Kinsey report.
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Aceofwhat? Sun, Jun 27, 2010 2:21:40pm |
re: #311 LudwigVanQuixote
You really need to be smacked for that...
Seriously though, I think that Buzzy, really can't take getting beaten by a girl.
Not sure of the pathology there and I am not sure I care. But lets face it, in terms of intellectual wattage, Ice is in the top percentile of Lizards and when Buzzy tried to go head to head with her, she actually rather politely, this was before she got angry at certain wingnuts here cut through his BS and he freaked out. ( I know nothing about doing such things myself nope, not at all, I am always cool headed you know...)
But Buzzy lost it.
He lost it so badly that it became obvious that his new crowd was always more suited to him.
1. Dudes who can't hang with smart girls are just leaving more for the rest of us (although i'm married, so i'm not sure where i'm going with that)
2. Hilarious touch of self-depreciation there...i'd give you 100 updings if i had the power.
I know that there are folks here like Ice with whom i'm not going to agree on everything.
B
F
D
How am i supposed to introduce liberals to my brilliance if there aren't any liberals?
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Kronocide Sun, Jun 27, 2010 2:22:23pm |
Thanks for reminding me what a big disappointments Zombie and Buzz were.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sun, Jun 27, 2010 2:22:41pm |
re: #319 CuriousLurker
Wow, I think Ms. Geller has posted one of the best examples of concern trolling I've ever seen. It's pretty clear what she's up to.
Allow me to re-post your comment here, I think you nailed it.
This is not just a passive-aggressive threat. I see where she's going with it: If there is any violence, either towards Muslims or protesters, she is trying to place it squarely on heads of Muslims in advance.
Should anyone get hurt (God forbid) she would then point to her post to show how she beseeched good, conscientious, America-loving Muslims to reconsider, but since there weren't any (or at least not enough to stop the center being built), then anything bad that happens is their fault, not hers.
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tradewind Sun, Jun 27, 2010 2:22:55pm |
re: #263 reine.de.tout
OMG. One of my four roommates when I first lived in NoLa was from Kaplan.
But she was definitely all Cajun. Hauled a 25 lb pound sack of rice up two flights of steps along with her luggage....I had never even seen one of those!
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Ebetty Sun, Jun 27, 2010 2:23:45pm |
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tradewind Sun, Jun 27, 2010 2:23:58pm |
re: #335 JasonA
And I have a friend who's French and her nickname is Domme.... short for Dominique. I don't want to be the one to break it to her.......
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Mocking Jay Sun, Jun 27, 2010 2:24:55pm |
re: #337 Aceofwhat?
How am i supposed to introduce liberals to my brilliance if there aren't any liberals?
You'd have to start discussing the issues with Tea Paratiers, and you know what they say about arguing with an idiot...
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Walter L. Newton Sun, Jun 27, 2010 2:25:01pm |
re: #333 Spare O'Lake
That's exactly what I said in my next preceding comment - tough shit for me, it's legal.
BTW did I say rankle? Oh crap, sorry, I meant ankle. Saudi funding gives me a sore ankle.
Let's look at it this way. It will also be a monument and a shrine that can remind us that there is subset of this religion, a radical subset, who wants to see us succumb. As far as I'm concerned, this Islamic Center is a big enough "fuck you," a middle finger on the skyline of that neighborhood, to become a constant reminder that "never again."
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Spare O'Lake Sun, Jun 27, 2010 2:25:37pm |
re: #308 HoosierHoops
Amazing story as Buzz is a Jew..
Once a liberal arrived here (Ice) he just fucking lost it...
He literally crawled into a corner in the fetal position sucking his thumb...
At that point the only response from me was dude...Chill the hell out
His responses earned him a ban..He became Crass and ugly..
And So..There you have it Buzz...Your attacks on Women have been duly noted asshole
You think Jews aren't just as big assholes as anyone else?
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Mocking Jay Sun, Jun 27, 2010 2:27:10pm |
re: #346 Walter L. Newton
Let's look at it this way. It will also be a monument and a shrine that can remind us that there is subset of this religion, a radical subset, who wants to see us succumb. As far as I'm concerned, this Islamic Center is a big enough "fuck you," a middle finger on the skyline of that neighborhood, to become a constant reminder that "never again."
I think it's also a reminder that a minority group, no matter how detested they may be by the public at large, is protected under our rule of law. And I call that a Big Fucking Deal.
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Charles Johnson Sun, Jun 27, 2010 2:27:10pm |
re: #333 Spare O'Lake
That's exactly what I said in my next preceding comment - tough shit for me, it's legal.
BTW did I say rankle? Oh crap, sorry, I meant ankle. Saudi funding gives me a sore ankle.
What "Saudi funding?" Did I miss something, or are you just making this up out of thin air?
The funds for the Cordoba Project are coming from the Muslim community of New York City.
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Gus Sun, Jun 27, 2010 2:28:35pm |
Anyone know the most accurate civilian death toll for the Iraq War?
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Walter L. Newton Sun, Jun 27, 2010 2:28:35pm |
re: #348 JasonA
I think it's also a reminder that a minority group, no matter how detested they may be by the public at large, is protected under our rule of law. And I call that a Big Fucking Deal.
Good... we both have this Islamic Center as a symbol of something.
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tradewind Sun, Jun 27, 2010 2:28:43pm |
re: #345 JasonA
....That sometimes it takes a second look to understand what they're written?/
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tradewind Sun, Jun 27, 2010 2:29:25pm |
re: #350 Gus 802
Probably Not In Our Name could give you a figure.
Oh wait, you said accurate......
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albusteve Sun, Jun 27, 2010 2:30:03pm |
re: #351 Walter L. Newton
Good... we both have this Islamic Center as a symbol of something.
will they pay property taxes?
that's the only thing that interests me
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Mocking Jay Sun, Jun 27, 2010 2:30:36pm |
re: #352 tradewind
...That sometimes it takes a second look to understand what they're written?/
Okay, I deserve that. :P
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Aceofwhat? Sun, Jun 27, 2010 2:31:27pm |
re: #345 JasonA
You'd have to start discussing the issues with Tea Paratiers, and you know what they say about arguing with an idiot...
Yeah. Very small words...
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CuriousLurker Sun, Jun 27, 2010 2:31:44pm |
re: #226 Charles
Maybe Geller and Spencer and their bigoted followers should start an initiative to ban all Muslims from New York entirely.
It wouldn't stop at NYC.
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albusteve Sun, Jun 27, 2010 2:32:25pm |
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Mocking Jay Sun, Jun 27, 2010 2:32:30pm |
re: #356 Aceofwhat?
Yeah. Very small words...
Feh. Hardly the worst typo I've ever been guilty of...
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Digital Display Sun, Jun 27, 2010 2:32:37pm |
re: #347 Spare O'Lake
You think Jews aren't just as big assholes as anyone else?
Yea..pretty much...
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lostlakehiker Sun, Jun 27, 2010 2:32:40pm |
re: #22 Charles
Just so everyone knows exactly who we're talking about here, Nathan Bedford Forrest was the first Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan.
For a parallel in the modern age, consider Jochen Peiper. Peiper, like Forrest, was a consumate tactical officer, hell on wheels in war, and utterly ruthless. Peiper, like Forrest, was responsible for the mass murder of prisoners of war. (The Malmedy massacre during the battle of the Bulge was carried out after Peiper gave orders not to bother with prisoners.) Peiper, like Forrest, commanded a fast mobile unit--in Peiper's case, the lead brigade of the SS Adolph Hitler Panzer division.
We must not forget that evil can come in all too capable packages. We must not forget that excellence in some realm of human endeavor is all too compatible with being evil.
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Spare O'Lake Sun, Jun 27, 2010 2:34:47pm |
re: #349 Charles
What "Saudi funding?" Did I miss something, or are you just making this up out of thin air?
The funds for the Cordoba Project are coming from the Muslim community of New York City.
Please see my #247 which links to:
[Link: www.asharq-e.com...]
Unfortunately the Imam said one thing here but something different to the Pan-Arab press.
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Aceofwhat? Sun, Jun 27, 2010 2:34:53pm |
re: #360 JasonA
Feh. Hardly the worst typo I've ever been guilty of...
Oh, no i wasn't talking about that. I'd literally have to use smaller words at a tea party...i shrugged off your typo.
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CuriousLurker Sun, Jun 27, 2010 2:35:16pm |
re: #280 Gus 802
Obsession.
They're like people that cut out letters from a magazine to write a kidnapping demand. Or have photos of their "victims" taped to the walls of their darkened homes.
LOL, that's funny and disturbingly close to the truth all at the same time.
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albusteve Sun, Jun 27, 2010 2:35:39pm |
re: #362 lostlakehiker
For a parallel in the modern age, consider Jochen Peiper. Peiper, like Forrest, was a consumate tactical officer, hell on wheels in war, and utterly ruthless. Peiper, like Forrest, was responsible for the mass murder of prisoners of war. (The Malmedy massacre during the battle of the Bulge was carried out after Peiper gave orders not to bother with prisoners.) Peiper, like Forrest, commanded a fast mobile unit--in Peiper's case, the lead brigade of the SS Adolph Hitler Panzer division.
We must not forget that evil can come in all too capable packages. We must not forget that excellence in some realm of human endeavor is all too compatible with being evil.
"iz et safe?"
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Decatur Deb Sun, Jun 27, 2010 2:36:39pm |
re: #362 lostlakehiker
It's been 8-10 years since I was last in the Officer's Club at Ft. Campbell (near Pulaski TN). I could swear that a large portrait of NBF was hanging over the dining room fireplace. From the perspective of a black soldier, that would have to be surreal.
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albusteve Sun, Jun 27, 2010 2:36:52pm |
re: #364 Spare O'Lake
Please see my #247 which links to:
[Link: www.asharq-e.com...]
Unfortunately the Imam said one thing here but something different to the Pan-Arab press.
how would anyone know where the finance money is coming from?
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Mocking Jay Sun, Jun 27, 2010 2:37:28pm |
re: #365 Aceofwhat?
Oh, no i wasn't talking about that. I'd literally have to use smaller words at a tea party...i shrugged off your typo.
Good thing they aren't antidisestablishmentarianists....
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Walter L. Newton Sun, Jun 27, 2010 2:38:06pm |
re: #364 Spare O'Lake
Please see my #247 which links to:
[Link: www.asharq-e.com...]
Unfortunately the Imam said one thing here but something different to the Pan-Arab press.
Then how do you explain the ecumenical comment from Awad...
"Awad confirmed to Asharq Al-Awsat via telephone that "building this mosque is the solution not the problem, because Islam calls for rapprochement with other religions and…a culture of moderation.""
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Charles Johnson Sun, Jun 27, 2010 2:38:35pm |
re: #364 Spare O'Lake
Please see my #247 which links to:
[Link: www.asharq-e.com...]
Unfortunately the Imam said one thing here but something different to the Pan-Arab press.
There isn't one word in that article about "Saudi funding."
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Decatur Deb Sun, Jun 27, 2010 2:38:40pm |
re: #370 JasonA
Good thing they aren't antidisestablishmentarianists...
IIRC, they actually tend that way.
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albusteve Sun, Jun 27, 2010 2:39:21pm |
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Mocking Jay Sun, Jun 27, 2010 2:40:29pm |
re: #374 albusteve
Hrm. None of them work for me.
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albusteve Sun, Jun 27, 2010 2:41:45pm |
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Spare O'Lake Sun, Jun 27, 2010 2:41:58pm |
re: #369 albusteve
how would anyone know where the finance money is coming from?
Read the link please, I didn't make this shit up.
Imam Abdul Rauf, who also speaks Arabic fluently, told Asharq Al-Awsat that the Islamic centre will be financed through contributions from Muslims in the US, as well as by donations from Arab and Islamic countries.
[Link: www.asharq-e.com...]
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Mocking Jay Sun, Jun 27, 2010 2:42:14pm |
re: #373 Decatur Deb
IIRC, they actually tend that way.
The Church would already have to role in the government for them to fit that definition.
I think...
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Charles Johnson Sun, Jun 27, 2010 2:42:33pm |
re: #377 Spare O'Lake
Excuse me -- where does it say the money is coming from Saudi Arabia?
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Aye Pod Sun, Jun 27, 2010 2:42:44pm |
re: #295 reine.de.tout
I was surprised when I saw some things he had written (and some others, as well) about Iceweasel, who honestly isn't somebody I get along with half the time, but the things written were just so wrong, and so vile and mean-spirited - well, it was just wrong. I had my eyes opened, big-time.
I really wish you had been quicker to see how evil that creep was, Reine. I actually remember you updinging him during some nasty attacks on iceweasel.
*I know that you resisted a lot of wingnut calls back then for you to hate on us more and I appreciate that, however.
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Decatur Deb Sun, Jun 27, 2010 2:43:09pm |
re: #378 JasonA
The Church would already have to role in the government for them to fit that definition.
I think...
Office of Faith-based Initiatives.
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albusteve Sun, Jun 27, 2010 2:43:38pm |
re: #377 Spare O'Lake
I'm ambivalent, what difference does it make who funds it...there is Saudi money all over the place...is there a rule or law?
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Spare O'Lake Sun, Jun 27, 2010 2:43:45pm |
re: #372 Charles
There isn't one word in that article about "Saudi funding."
"donations from Arab and Islamic countries" = Saudi to me. Is that too much of a stretch, Charles?
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Charles Johnson Sun, Jun 27, 2010 2:44:25pm |
re: #383 Spare O'Lake
"donations from Arab and Islamic countries" = Saudi to me. Is that too much of a stretch, Charles?
So in other words, you're just assuming that means Saudi Arabia.
There are dozens of Arab and Islamic countries, you know.
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Randall Gross Sun, Jun 27, 2010 2:45:16pm |
re: #377 Spare O'Lake
That link disproves your point. Nowhere does it say anything about Saudi government or Monarchy funding. It does say donations are coming from Islamic countries. IS that what you are stretching to mean "SAUDI" ?
Because when I see "Saudi" I think of a particular country and government, not donations from Islamic countries in general. The Saudi Government/monarchy used to directly fund building of mosques around the world, so what you are saying doesn't come close to matching reality. Why are you stretching the truth here?
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Spare O'Lake Sun, Jun 27, 2010 2:45:54pm |
re: #379 Charles
#383 - Arab and Islamic countries.
I read that as including Saudi.
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Charles Johnson Sun, Jun 27, 2010 2:46:58pm |
re: #386 Spare O'Lake
#383 - Arab and Islamic countries.
I read that as including Saudi.
You can read it any way you like, but you're jumping to a conclusion that is not based on any facts in evidence.
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CuriousLurker Sun, Jun 27, 2010 2:47:24pm |
re: #364 Spare O'Lake
Unfortunately the Imam said one thing here but something different to the Pan-Arab press.
Can you please provide a link to where he said there would be no contributions from any Muslim or Arab countries as well?
If every contribution from a Muslim country had sinister intent, surely such things would be illegal by now, no? I'm making NO claim that some aren't, just as I'm certain that every penny that goes into Cordoba House will be looked at under a microscope by local, state, and federal authorties.
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Randall Gross Sun, Jun 27, 2010 2:47:30pm |
re: #386 Spare O'Lake
It's somewhat disingenuous to try to stretch that to mean "Saudi"....
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tradewind Sun, Jun 27, 2010 2:47:33pm |
re: #355 JasonA
I meant to add a smiley face.
Actually, not a tea partier, but that's a bit of a broad brush...
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Reginald Perrin Sun, Jun 27, 2010 2:47:43pm |
re: #377 Spare O'Lake
Where does it mention anything about any Arab government making a donation? The way that article is written implies that these donations are from private citizens.
It may be in your best interest to give up while you are behind.
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Spare O'Lake Sun, Jun 27, 2010 2:48:21pm |
re: #384 Charles
So in other words, you're just assuming that means Saudi Arabia.
There are dozens of Arab and Islamic countries, you know.
Correct. But he LIED when he said the money was all from US or NYC muslims, didn't he? So why the heck should I believe his nuances now?
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Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You Sun, Jun 27, 2010 2:48:23pm |
The Democrats are now apparently short yet another vote to pass the financial reform bill, Sen. Robert Byrd (D) (and also 92 years old) is hospitalized and in "serious condition."
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Decatur Deb Sun, Jun 27, 2010 2:49:45pm |
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Charles Johnson Sun, Jun 27, 2010 2:50:09pm |
re: #392 Spare O'Lake
Correct. But he LIED when he said the money was all from US or NYC muslims, didn't he? So why the heck should I believe his nuances now?
When did he say that? I never saw this statement, and I've been reading the stories about the community center.
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CuriousLurker Sun, Jun 27, 2010 2:50:22pm |
re: #392 Spare O'Lake
Correct. But he LIED when he said the money was all from US or NYC muslims, didn't he? So why the heck should I believe his nuances now?
I repeat: Can you please provide a link to where he said that contributions would be accepted exclusively from US or NYC Muslims?
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Aye Pod Sun, Jun 27, 2010 2:50:43pm |
re: #319 CuriousLurker
Wow, I think Ms. Geller has posted one of the best examples of concern trolling I've ever seen. It's pretty clear what she's up to.
Isn't it? Got to be one of the most pathetic attempts I've ever seen. "If I could just pause for a moment in my otherwise unstoppable 24/7/365 hysterical seething rant against muslims to make a heartfelt plea...to the muslims". Seriously.
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Randall Gross Sun, Jun 27, 2010 2:50:48pm |
re: #392 Spare O'Lake
So him omitting facts makes it ok for you to lie too?? Two wrongs etc.
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Spare O'Lake Sun, Jun 27, 2010 2:51:11pm |
re: #388 CuriousLurker
Can you please provide a link to where he said there would be no contributions from any Muslim or Arab countries as well?
If every contribution from a Muslim country had sinister intent, surely such things would be illegal by now, no? I'm making NO claim that some aren't, just as I'm certain that every penny that goes into Cordoba House will be looked at under a microscope by local, state, and federal authorties.
I don't have that link but both I (and Charles) remembered that the Imam had represented it that way. It was a big deal in a previous thread.
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Walter L. Newton Sun, Jun 27, 2010 2:51:24pm |
re: #392 Spare O'Lake
Correct. But he LIED when he said the money was all from US or NYC muslims, didn't he? So why the heck should I believe his nuances now?
Come on... you're digging deeper now. What you "believe" has nothing to do with "knowledge," tow different concepts with two different constructs...
If you're trying to accurately report facts, you don't go reporting your beliefs, you make statement that can be backed up with actual sources.
On the flip side, I believe there will be tons of money coming from the Saudi's... but I can't prove that, so I would not state it as fact.
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albusteve Sun, Jun 27, 2010 2:51:31pm |
re: #397 Jimmah
Isn't it? Got to be one of the most pathetic attempts I've ever seen. "If I could just pause for a moment in my otherwise unstoppable 24/7/365 hysterical seething rant against muslims to make a heartfelt plea...to the muslims". Seriously.
drunks are like that...expect more, and worse
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Mocking Jay Sun, Jun 27, 2010 2:52:09pm |
re: #390 tradewind
I meant to add a smiley face.
Actually, not a tea partier, but that's a bit of a broad brush...
*shrug* I have no problem taking out the paint roller when it comes to them. Especially in an offhand comment to Ace that's meant as a joke.
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CuriousLurker Sun, Jun 27, 2010 2:52:54pm |
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Spare O'Lake Sun, Jun 27, 2010 2:52:54pm |
re: #395 Charles
When did he say that? I never saw this statement, and I've been reading the stories about the community center.
Charles, please, you said as much yourself upthread at your #349.
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Charles Johnson Sun, Jun 27, 2010 2:53:54pm |
re: #399 Spare O'Lake
I don't have that link but both I (and Charles) remembered that the Imam had represented it that way. It was a big deal in a previous thread.
Well, I'm pretty sure I never said that, but if I did I was mistaken. Because I have never seen a statement from the Imam that claimed all the money was coming from US Muslims.
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albusteve Sun, Jun 27, 2010 2:54:28pm |
re: #400 Walter L. Newton
Come on... you're digging deeper now. What you "believe" has nothing to do with "knowledge," tow different concepts with two different constructs...
If you're trying to accurately report facts, you don't go reporting your beliefs, you make statement that can be backed up with actual sources.
On the flip side, I believe there will be tons of money coming from the Saudi's... but I can't prove that, so I would not state it as fact.
so why does it matter who finances the project?...wouldn't the Saudis want to chip in? is there something wrong with that?....what am I missing here, besides a rift over accuracy
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tradewind Sun, Jun 27, 2010 2:54:35pm |
re: #22 Charles
Which was not, however, at its inception, the bunch of thugs that exist today. Forrest founded a vigilante group to help protect women and children from attacks by carpetbaggers , ( the majority of whom were white Northerners who moved into the South after the war ) then disbanded it when it began to devolve into the bunch of hoodlums it is now.
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Spare O'Lake Sun, Jun 27, 2010 2:55:15pm |
This discussion is making me ill.
Maybe I'm crazy.
BBL.
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Charles Johnson Sun, Jun 27, 2010 2:55:19pm |
re: #404 Spare O'Lake
Charles, please, you said as much yourself upthread at your #349.
Uh, no. I did not say that. I said the money was coming from the Muslim community of New York, and it is. I never said it was coming ONLY from NY Muslims.
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Walter L. Newton Sun, Jun 27, 2010 2:55:29pm |
re: #406 albusteve
so why does it matter who finances the project?...wouldn't the Saudis want to chip in? is there something wrong with that?...what am I missing here, besides a rift over accuracy
Steve... don't go south here... yes, the rift is over accuracy...
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Charles Johnson Sun, Jun 27, 2010 2:55:48pm |
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albusteve Sun, Jun 27, 2010 2:56:54pm |
re: #410 Walter L. Newton
Steve... don't go south here... yes, the rift is over accuracy...
I'm not going south...too many racists
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Charles Johnson Sun, Jun 27, 2010 2:58:08pm |
According to Wills, in the August 1867 state elections the Klan was relatively restrained in its actions. State Democrats who made up the KKK hoped to persuade black voters that a return to their state of repression and near-slavery, as it existed before the war, was in their best interest. Forrest assisted in maintaining order. It was only after these efforts failed that Klan violence and intimidation escalated and became widespread.[38] Author Andrew Ward, however, writes, “In the spring of 1867, Forrest and his dragons launched a campaign of midnight parades; ‘ghost’ masquerades; and ‘whipping’ and even ‘killing Negro voters and white Republicans, to scare blacks off voting and running for office.’”
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Walter L. Newton Sun, Jun 27, 2010 3:00:23pm |
Got a 5 hour shift at the store... see you later, or tomorrow...
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Sun, Jun 27, 2010 3:00:29pm |
re: #407 tradewind
Which was not, however, at its inception, the bunch of thugs that exist today. Forrest founded a vigilante group to help protect women and children from attacks by carpetbaggers , ( the majority of whom were white Northerners who moved into the South after the war ) then disbanded it when it began to devolve into the bunch of hoodlums it is now.
Dude are you serious? OK I can only hope that you dropped a sarc tag. If not, respectfully, you need to look at the history a bit more honestly.
Attacks by carpetbaggers?
That's insane.
When those Southerners were talking about protecting the women and children, they are talking about their fear of black men and white women having sex. Don't even begin to think that isn't the case or the racist boogey man they used.
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Aye Pod Sun, Jun 27, 2010 3:00:56pm |
re: #407 tradewind
You are talking about the KKK? What utter garbage.
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tradewind Sun, Jun 27, 2010 3:01:52pm |
re: #413 Charles
That's horrific, that passage, but there is major controversy over Forrest and his activity. Certainly I don't want to incite a re-enactment, sorry. ...disregard.
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reine.de.tout Sun, Jun 27, 2010 3:02:25pm |
re: #380 Jimmah
I really wish you had been quicker to see how evil that creep was, Reine. I actually remember you updinging him during some nasty attacks on iceweasel.
*I know that you resisted a lot of wingnut calls back then for you to hate on us more and I appreciate that, however.
I don't deny updinging him.
Like LVQ, it took me awhile, but I finally caught on.
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Randall Gross Sun, Jun 27, 2010 3:03:29pm |
re: #417 tradewind
That's horrific, that passage, but there is major controversy over Forrest and his activity. Certainly I don't want to incite a re-enactment, sorry. ...disregard.
There's no controversy -- he was a racist sunsabitch, and those who defend him are scum in my eyes.
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Reginald Perrin Sun, Jun 27, 2010 3:04:02pm |
re: #415 LudwigVanQuixote
Ludwig:
The Klan supporter is not a dude, but she definitely is deluded if she believes the Klan was not an evil racist organization.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Sun, Jun 27, 2010 3:05:38pm |
OK I have to go. My beloved just called. She's coming over and I need to start dinner.
Tonight's menu:
Seared lamb with a rosemary and thyme sauce - with lemon, lavender, shallott and black pepper. The sauce is basically caramelized shallots with a beef stock, burgundy and mushrooms
Asparagus
Wild rice - I have some nice long grain rice that mixes well with Jasmine rice(I'm skimping on that part, but I don't feel like making noodles or potatoes)
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tradewind Sun, Jun 27, 2010 3:07:23pm |
For the record:
The kkk most certainly is an evil, racist organization. No equivocation or wiggle room there.
What I started to say would require multiple links and I'd only be creating problems..... please delete the post above.
out/
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The Left Sun, Jun 27, 2010 3:09:33pm |
re: #281 LudwigVanQuixote
I don't get it. I really don't get why he is being so vile. He didn't always seem to be such a twisted, petty asshole. But now, all he does is straight out of a scummy middle school playbook. It isn't like TFK or the Rodent who were clearly missing a screw from the start.
I just don't understand how Buzzy went from being perhaps sexist and occasionally disagreeable but frequently smart - to utter twit writing nasty things on walls and behaving like a deranged, spiteful, child who needs mouth full of soap and a thrashing.
There's no 'perhaps' about his sexism, just like there was never any perhaps about his homophobia. And not just sexism but flatout misogyny. The guy argued in all seriousness that biology is destiny for women, and that the pill and feminism were all about 'fucking for fun'.
Bullshit Monkey would collapse into a howling sputtering rage when he was challenged or even mildly criticised. Once he was, all sorts of ugliness came out. For the record, his first meltdown over me came over an extremely mild disagreement-- he was factually incorrect about something, I posted the links to prove it and he flipped. Next thing I knew he was making random obscene posts about me.
And his rank homophobia was likewise always simmering away under the surface. I absolutely believe he's sent Charles all those homophobic emails, and he regularly spams other sites with LGF-hate and Charles hate.
A very twisted little freak.
Shout out to Gus-- I'll be back later!
Shoutout to LGF-- busy printing forms and packing--back later!
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The Left Sun, Jun 27, 2010 3:10:09pm |
re: #407 tradewind
Which was not, however, at its inception, the bunch of thugs that exist today. Forrest founded a vigilante group to help protect women and children from attacks by carpetbaggers , ( the majority of whom were white Northerners who moved into the South after the war ) then disbanded it when it began to devolve into the bunch of hoodlums it is now.
Someone's getting their history from Gone With the Wind....
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CuriousLurker Sun, Jun 27, 2010 3:10:31pm |
re: #407 tradewind
Which was not, however, at its inception, the bunch of thugs that exist today. Forrest founded a vigilante group to help protect women and children from attacks by carpetbaggers , ( the majority of whom were white Northerners who moved into the South after the war ) then disbanded it when it began to devolve into the bunch of hoodlums it is now.
Some of the founding members of Al-Qaeda got their initial training from the Afghan mujahideen "freedom fighters" (who we helped fund) while they were resisting the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. So, what's your point?
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Jun 27, 2010 3:12:53pm |
re: #334 Jimmah
She's at the office-shop just now, getting some documents sorted out. I'm keeping her updated :)
Got the weasel on the shredder...
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goddamnedfrank Sun, Jun 27, 2010 3:13:49pm |
re: #424 iceweasel
Someone's getting their history from Gone With the Wind...
More like Birth of a Nation.
You've got to watch out for those scalawag white captains!
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Sun, Jun 27, 2010 3:14:07pm |
re: #423 iceweasel
There's no 'perhaps' about his sexism, just like there was never any perhaps about his homophobia. And not just sexism but flatout misogyny. The guy argued in all seriousness that biology is destiny for women, and that the pill and feminism were all about 'fucking for fun'.
Bullshit Monkey would collapse into a howling sputtering rage when he was challenged or even mildly criticised. Once he was, all sorts of ugliness came out. For the record, his first meltdown over me came over an extremely mild disagreement-- he was factually incorrect about something, I posted the links to prove it and he flipped. Next thing I knew he was making random obscene posts about me.
And his rank homophobia was likewise always simmering away under the surface. I absolutely believe he's sent Charles all those homophobic emails, and he regularly spams other sites with LGF-hate and Charles hate.
A very twisted little freak.
Shout out to Gus-- I'll be back later!
Shoutout to LGF-- busy printing forms and packing--back later!
Read on a little further with the comments Ice. I agree with everything you just said. I also am certain that BS monkey sent evil mail to Charles as well. I know he is a creep and a turd.
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CuriousLurker Sun, Jun 27, 2010 3:19:15pm |
re: #425 CuriousLurker
Some of the founding members of Al-Qaeda got their initial training from the Afghan mujahideen "freedom fighters" (who we helped fund) while they were resisting the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. So, what's your point?
Murderous thugs are murderous thugs, regardless of how they started out.
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Decatur Deb Sun, Jun 27, 2010 3:22:09pm |
re: #394 Decatur Deb
re: #386 Spare O'Lake
I saw a number coming from a specific Saudi company in passing, but I didn't pay attention and can't speak to its credibility. Will dig around.
Put on hold. I couldn't find anything useful from non-partisan sources in a half hour. The level of hysteria is way high. The best discussion of funding was from the NY Post, a sane but often opinionated paper. It's 6 weeks old.
[Link: www.nypost.com...]
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Ebetty Sun, Jun 27, 2010 3:23:33pm |
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The Left Sun, Jun 27, 2010 3:26:49pm |
re: #428 LudwigVanQuixote
Read on a little further with the comments Ice. I agree with everything you just said. I also am certain that BS monkey sent evil mail to Charles as well. I know he is a creep and a turd.
yep--sorry, multitasking. Your dinner sounds yummy! so does your sweetie. :)
later!
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Aye Pod Sun, Jun 27, 2010 3:29:11pm |
re: #427 goddamnedfrank
More like Birth of a Nation.
Or 'Geburt Einer Nation' as they say in Germany:
(Laibach at their best, making the latent fascism of Queen's 'One Vision' blatant.)
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researchok Sun, Jun 27, 2010 3:35:47pm |
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Winny Spencer Sun, Jun 27, 2010 3:36:28pm |
This creep is unbelievable. On top of everything Charles has already mentioned he also describes the German victory as "Krauts avenge firebombing of Dresden vs. Limey poofters ".
An obsession with Dresden to me indicates that he lacks any semblance of proper knowledge of history, espouses revisionist rubbish and has sympathies for Hitler. Hardly surprising given general political "views".
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Lidane Sun, Jun 27, 2010 3:56:44pm |
re: #407 tradewind
Are you seriously defending the Klan? Really?
Wow. And I thought FIFA refs were blind.
Alone in a Bathroom: The Fear and Uncertainty of a Post-Roe Medication Abortion Angel tucked two white pills into each side of her mouth, bracing herself as they began to dissolve. Her deepest fears and anxieties took over. Angel had wanted to talk to a doctor before she took the pills to ...
Cheechako
They Were Desperate to Get Pregnant. Then IVF Gave Them Extra Embryos. One morning last spring, Ashley Harrolle put her 1-year-old daughter down for a nap and went to the kitchen. She pulled up her fertility clinic’s contact information. It was time to make the call. In a freezer several hundred ... CheechakoJoe Bacon ✅
March FavoritesYou've seen these all already but looking back, just because. These are my favorite shots of this last month. That 1937 Zeiss Sonnar is such a gloriously wonderful bit of glass. Thanks for looking.
William Lewis
Russia’s New Combat Robots Blown Up by Drones Near Avdiivka When we landed on the moon, I thought about how science fiction had become real. Now, the robot wars have begun. It's more poignant somehow on the ground than in the missile wars we have in the air as ...
Rightwingconspirator
Why Did More Than 1,000 People Die After Police Subdued Them With Force That Isn’t Meant to Kill? An investigation led by The Associated Press has found that, over a decade, more than 1,000 people died after police subdued them through physical holds, stun guns, body blows and other force not intended to be lethal. More: Why ... CheechakoKGxvi
Abortions Outside Medical System Increased Sharply After Roe Fell, Study Finds The number of women using abortion pills to end their pregnancies on their own without the direct involvement of a U.S.-based medical provider rose sharply in the months after the Supreme Court eliminated a constitutional right to abortion, according ... Cheechako
Once Praised, the Settlement to Help Sickened BP Oil Spill Workers Leaves Most With Nearly Nothing When a deadly explosion destroyed BP’s Deepwater Horizon drilling rig in the Gulf of Mexico, 134 million gallons of crude erupted into the sea over the next three months — and tens of thousands of ordinary people were hired ... Cheechako
Texas County at Center of Border Fight Is Overwhelmed by Migrant Deaths EAGLE PASS, Tex. - The undertaker lighted a cigarette and held it between his latex-gloved fingers as he stood over the bloated body bag lying in the bed of his battered pickup truck. The woman had been fished out ... Cheechako
