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“What good is an atom bomb to anyone? The stupidest thing today is accumulating atomic weapons.”
— Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad
(Hat tip: PlutoniumPage.)
437 comments
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Dancing along the light of day Mon, Jun 28, 2010 7:38:59pm |
Says the man, who can't WAIT to get one.
BAH!
Throws up hands, runs around screaming!
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freetoken Mon, Jun 28, 2010 7:41:10pm |
“What good is hair to anyone? The stupidest thing today is accumulating hair to fashion.” - John Edwards
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Racer X Mon, Jun 28, 2010 7:41:50pm |
re: #5 brookly red
translation: use it or lose it.
Thats my take. Why build one if you are not planning on using it. Short Shit intends to use the ones he builds.
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SteveMcG Mon, Jun 28, 2010 7:42:07pm |
Don't forget the minute you get one it starts depreciating.
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elizajane Mon, Jun 28, 2010 7:42:36pm |
Two completely contradictory statements. "Accumulating" bombs, that's what the USA does (or did), easy for him to be against it. But having a bomb, just one or two? Very useful indeed and he knows it.
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pharmmajor Mon, Jun 28, 2010 7:43:06pm |
Mahmoud doesn't quite understand the concepts of irony and hypocrisy, does he?
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jun 28, 2010 7:45:25pm |
re: #11 pharmmajor
Mahmoud doesn't quite understand the concepts of irony and hypocrisy, does he?
Oh, I think he understands them very, very well.
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brookly red Mon, Jun 28, 2010 7:45:32pm |
re: #10 elizajane
Two completely contradictory statements. "Accumulating" bombs, that's what the USA does (or did), easy for him to be against it. But having a bomb, just one or two? Very useful indeed and he knows it.
well the down side is if you have a nuclear bomb then you are also a nuclear target.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jun 28, 2010 7:46:20pm |
re: #13 Boogberg
Is Dinnerjacket more dangerous than Dear Leader?
Dunno. Very different countries, very different leadership situations.
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brookly red Mon, Jun 28, 2010 7:46:56pm |
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lawhawk Mon, Jun 28, 2010 7:47:48pm |
re: #13 Boogberg
Yes. Ahmadinejad is religiously motivated to get Iran nuclear weapons. Not only could he then use it as blackmail against Israel and the West, but he could use it against the Sunni majority nations in the long running Sunni-Shia schism.
L'il Kim and his successors have a basket case of a country and nuclear blackmail is all that they have going for them.
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Charles Johnson Mon, Jun 28, 2010 7:47:49pm |
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Killgore Trout Mon, Jun 28, 2010 7:47:54pm |
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goddamnedfrank Mon, Jun 28, 2010 7:48:09pm |
re: #13 Boogberg
Is Dinnerjacket more dangerous than Dear Leader?
That depends in large part on if you live near Tel Aviv or near Seoul.
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Dancing along the light of day Mon, Jun 28, 2010 7:48:32pm |
re: #19 Charles
"What good is a douche to anyone?"
LOL!
Are we doing Douche's AGAIN?
Screamingly funny thread, last night.
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brookly red Mon, Jun 28, 2010 7:48:38pm |
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Digital Display Mon, Jun 28, 2010 7:48:39pm |
re: #13 Boogberg
Is Dinnerjacket more dangerous than Dear Leader?
Much more..He can launch a Nuke into Israel and create the biggest world war in all of history...Just one nuke is all it takes...
I don't think he ever will.. He just wants the power that comes with having a Nuke...
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~Fianna Mon, Jun 28, 2010 7:48:51pm |
This actually goes along with the fatwa that Ayatolla Ali Khamenei issued in 2005 stating that WMD are un-Islamic.
I think there's a big debate in Iran over whether nuclear weapons are in their long-term best interest. It will be interesting to see which side prevails.
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Decatur Deb Mon, Jun 28, 2010 7:49:06pm |
re: #15 brookly red
well the down side is if you have a nuclear bomb then you are also a nuclear target.
You also become a lot more frightening to your sane majority, in even the most perverted governments.
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MisterCookie Mon, Jun 28, 2010 7:49:20pm |
What is an atomic weapon BUT A MISERABLE PILE OF SECRETS?!
But enough talk! Have at you!
/Castlevania
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Dancing along the light of day Mon, Jun 28, 2010 7:49:50pm |
re: #24 HoosierHoops
Much more..He can launch a Nuke into Israel and create the biggest world war in all of history...Just one nuke is all it takes...
I don't think he ever will.. He just wants the power that comes with having a Nuke...
He just THINKS he wants the power.
Little man with BIG dreams.
He can just keep dreaming.
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lostlakehiker Mon, Jun 28, 2010 7:50:12pm |
Watch what we say, not what we do. Pay no attention to that tunnel with all those centrifuges. Where else but in a tunnel would you do such tricky work?
Pay no attention to our friendship with North Korea. Those people just know a lot about medical isotopes.
It's an insult to our intelligence. That he seems to think it will work is an own-goal insult to his own. But he's not proud. He's willing to have us think him stupid, so long as the work goes on unchecked. This rhetoric works with those who wish him to have nukes, but don't quite have license to say so outright.
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Charles Johnson Mon, Jun 28, 2010 7:50:23pm |
re: #25 ~Fianna
This actually goes along with the fatwa that Ayatolla Ali Khamenei issued in 2005 stating that WMD are un-Islamic.
I think there's a big debate in Iran over whether nuclear weapons are in their long-term best interest. It will be interesting to see which side prevails.
The "debate" is solely for Western eyes and ears. Within Iran, there's absolutely no doubt about the value of nukes.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jun 28, 2010 7:50:55pm |
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Dancing along the light of day Mon, Jun 28, 2010 7:51:11pm |
re: #32 Charles
The "debate" is solely for Western eyes and ears. Within Iran, there's absolutely no doubt about the value of nukes.
Nor, how the Nukes would be used.
To destroy Israel.
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Digital Display Mon, Jun 28, 2010 7:52:12pm |
re: #30 Floral Giraffe
He just THINKS he wants the power.
Little man with BIG dreams.
He can just keep dreaming.
Little men with dreams of power are very dangerous..
54 Million people died because of Hitler..
*waves*
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brookly red Mon, Jun 28, 2010 7:52:23pm |
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Jun 28, 2010 7:52:28pm |
re: #19 Charles
"What good is a douche to anyone?"
I don't know, but the world at large seems to love accumulating those.
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brookly red Mon, Jun 28, 2010 7:53:25pm |
re: #37 Slumbering Behemoth
I don't know, but the world at large seems to love accumulating those.
yes but we have a special building in DC to store ours...
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~Fianna Mon, Jun 28, 2010 7:54:15pm |
re: #32 Charles
The "debate" is solely for Western eyes and ears. Within Iran, there's absolutely no doubt about the value of nukes.
I'm actually not completely sure of that. I think that there is a big undercurrent of discontent with the results of the revolution within the country and that the government is afraid of its own citizens. The events of a year ago were pretty conclusive that a large swath of the people of Iran are tired of this government and that can't help but have an effect on the government itself.
The people that are sitting are not good guys, but I'm not entirely sure that the full leadership is insane enough to push the rest of the world that far.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jun 28, 2010 7:54:33pm |
re: #32 Charles
The "debate" is solely for Western eyes and ears. Within Iran, there's absolutely no doubt about the value of nukes.
Agreed. This is just a episode of that famous Iranian TV show "Deceive the Dhimis". It doesn't get good rating in most of America, but it seems to be a real ratings winner in Berkley, Turtle Bay, and Foggy Bottom.
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Racer X Mon, Jun 28, 2010 7:55:16pm |
re: #37 Slumbering Behemoth
I don't know, but the world at large seems to love accumulating those.
On sale at Douchemart.
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Boogberg Mon, Jun 28, 2010 7:55:24pm |
re: #18 lawhawk
Yes. Ahmadinejad is religiously motivated to get Iran nuclear weapons. Not only could he then use it as blackmail against Israel and the West, but he could use it against the Sunni majority nations in the long running Sunni-Shia schism.
L'il Kim and his successors have a basket case of a country and nuclear blackmail is all that they have going for them.
Yeah but China has li'l Kim's back to a large degree. Who has Dinnerjacket's back?
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Jun 28, 2010 7:55:48pm |
re: #43 Boogberg
Yeah but China has li'l Kim's back to a large degree. Who has Dinnerjacket's back?
That's the depressing part. He's very certain that God does.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jun 28, 2010 7:56:03pm |
re: #39 ~Fianna
I'm actually not completely sure of that. I think that there is a big undercurrent of discontent with the results of the revolution within the country and that the government is afraid of its own citizens. The events of a year ago were pretty conclusive that a large swath of the people of Iran are tired of this government and that can't help but have an effect on the government itself.
The people that are sitting are not good guys, but I'm not entirely sure that the full leadership is insane enough to push the rest of the world that far.
True, but it might not take the full leadership to build and use a nuke.
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brookly red Mon, Jun 28, 2010 7:56:11pm |
re: #43 Boogberg
Yeah but China has li'l Kim's back to a large degree. Who has Dinnerjacket's back?
no one and that is the problem
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lawhawk Mon, Jun 28, 2010 7:56:18pm |
re: #25 ~Fianna
In last years' election between Mousavi and Ahmadinejad, there was no debate on the country's course of obtaining nuclear technologies. Both the "reformer/opposition" and the party in charge were in agreement on Iran's need to obtain the nuclear tech/weapons. The mullahs in charge deem it necessary.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jun 28, 2010 7:56:21pm |
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~Fianna Mon, Jun 28, 2010 7:57:36pm |
re: #43 Boogberg
Yeah but China has li'l Kim's back to a large degree. Who has Dinnerjacket's back?
Pakistan, if anyone.
Frankly, Pakistan is number 2 on my list of nations to be concerned about, right under N. Korea.
Much like Saudi Arabia, we can pretend all we want that Pakistan's our bestest friend ever, but it's not.
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Decatur Deb Mon, Jun 28, 2010 7:57:36pm |
re: #39 ~Fianna
Exactly. No nut launches a nuke by himself. The entire chain of command has to be on the same sheet, down to the kids who turn the keys. Thus, the entire chain would have to be crazy, knowing what happens next.
(The smallest chain is probably in our SSBNs.)
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lawhawk Mon, Jun 28, 2010 7:57:40pm |
re: #43 Boogberg
China and Russia see Iran as a counterbalance to US support for Saudi Arabia and Israel (among others). They'll take their influence where they can, even if it means going down with regimes that would just as soon as go after them at the drop of the hat.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Jun 28, 2010 7:57:48pm |
re: #38 brookly red
Last time I checked, it was at capacity and overflowing into every continent on earth. I'm surprised the U.N. hasn't issued a strongly worded letter.
Wait, what am I thinking? The U.N. is at capacity as well. The proliferation of douches is pandemic.
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Charles Johnson Mon, Jun 28, 2010 7:58:50pm |
re: #39 ~Fianna
I'm actually not completely sure of that. I think that there is a big undercurrent of discontent with the results of the revolution within the country and that the government is afraid of its own citizens. The events of a year ago were pretty conclusive that a large swath of the people of Iran are tired of this government and that can't help but have an effect on the government itself.
The people that are sitting are not good guys, but I'm not entirely sure that the full leadership is insane enough to push the rest of the world that far.
OK, you're entitled to that view.
But meanwhile, Iran keeps adding centrifuges to their enrichment facilities.
You might be right, but you might also be very wrong.
What are the consequences of being wrong?
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brookly red Mon, Jun 28, 2010 7:59:08pm |
re: #50 Decatur Deb
Exactly. No nut launches a nuke by himself. The entire chain of command has to be on the same sheet, down to the kids who turn the keys. Thus, the entire chain would have to be crazy, knowing what happens next.
(The smallest chain is probably in our SSBNs.)
well up until now...
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~Fianna Mon, Jun 28, 2010 7:59:28pm |
re: #45 Dark_Falcon
True, but it might not take the full leadership to build and use a nuke.
That's a fair point.
On their own, though, they're a ways away from weapons grade enrichment, which is hopefully time enough for the people more interested in opening the country and engaging with the rest of the world to do something about the current run of nuts.
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~Fianna Mon, Jun 28, 2010 8:00:51pm |
re: #50 Decatur Deb
Exactly. No nut launches a nuke by himself. The entire chain of command has to be on the same sheet, down to the kids who turn the keys. Thus, the entire chain would have to be crazy, knowing what happens next.
(The smallest chain is probably in our SSBNs.)
Yup... this is why I'm more concerned with Pakistan than I am with Iran at this moment. There are more than enough nuts in the Pakistani government, they already have the nukes and they'd LOVE to take a swipe at India, who also have the capacity to hit back.
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brookly red Mon, Jun 28, 2010 8:01:09pm |
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Charles Johnson Mon, Jun 28, 2010 8:01:23pm |
re: #47 lawhawk
In last years' election between Mousavi and Ahmadinejad, there was no debate on the country's course of obtaining nuclear technologies. Both the "reformer/opposition" and the party in charge were in agreement on Iran's need to obtain the nuclear tech/weapons. The mullahs in charge deem it necessary.
Exactly. People shouldn't be fooled into thinking that because there is unrest against the mullahs, it means the protesters are also against the nuclear weapons program. They aren't.
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What, me worry? Mon, Jun 28, 2010 8:01:26pm |
re: #39 ~Fianna
I'm actually not completely sure of that. I think that there is a big undercurrent of discontent with the results of the revolution within the country and that the government is afraid of its own citizens. The events of a year ago were pretty conclusive that a large swath of the people of Iran are tired of this government and that can't help but have an effect on the government itself.
The people that are sitting are not good guys, but I'm not entirely sure that the full leadership is insane enough to push the rest of the world that far.
I don't think he'd ever use a nuke on Israel. We'd flatten him. That's not going to keep him from threatening or making statements like the above to "prove" (nod nod wink wink) that he's completely legit.
Revolution in Iran is what has to happen and it's alive and real.
[Link: www.cnn.com...]
(CNN) Today, the Iranian regime's crackdown seems to have driven protesters off the streets. But the movement is not weakening, some analysts say. Instead, it's evolved into an online underground civil rights struggle, they say.
"I think they're going to continue to move forward, whether in the form of a green movement or another type of movement," said Karim Sadjadpour, a fellow at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace. "It's just, basically, this march of history."
Revolution has to happen from within and hopefully it will before the Mullahs can stop it.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Jun 28, 2010 8:01:53pm |
re: #39 ~Fianna
I linked to this a while back in the pages, but there seems to be some that were within the system that have fled the country and are now working to overthrow it from the outside. Should be interesting.
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darthstar Mon, Jun 28, 2010 8:02:02pm |
re: #58 brookly red
sigh, this may be unstoppable...
It may be a pun-fest, but it does leave you feeling strangely refreshed.
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Boogberg Mon, Jun 28, 2010 8:02:14pm |
re: #51 lawhawk
China and Russia see Iran as a counterbalance to US support for Saudi Arabia and Israel (among others). They'll take their influence where they can, even if it means going down with regimes that would just as soon as go after them at the drop of the hat.
Jeez. You'd think Russians would have had their fill of Islamist kooks by now.
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Charles Johnson Mon, Jun 28, 2010 8:02:24pm |
re: #61 marjoriemoon
He doesn't have to use the nukes.
The mere possession of nuclear weapons is a major game-changer.
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soap_man Mon, Jun 28, 2010 8:02:27pm |
This is a conversation from earlier that I read but wasn't able to join. But I have to vent.
There is few terms I hate more than "average." Now I'm not talking about using it in a statistical sense, like average income or average GPA. I'm talking about when people use it to say, "Well, he/she just isn't like us."
And it isn't just politicians, although they are plenty guilty. It's this constant idea that whoever you are, you represent the "typical" American. You represent the "real" America. The "true" America. Like the American experience and the American dream is best told through the perspective of you and people just like you. And everybody else just doesn't get it.
You're average. As in good. And dammit, you are better than those backward redneck conservatives/latte-sipping pansy liberals. They aren't like us. They just ain't right.
Okay. I'm done venting. As you were.
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Targetpractice Mon, Jun 28, 2010 8:02:57pm |
re: #49 ~Fianna
Pakistan, if anyone.
Frankly, Pakistan is number 2 on my list of nations to be concerned about, right under N. Korea.
Much like Saudi Arabia, we can pretend all we want that Pakistan's our bestest friend ever, but it's not.
If anything else, Pakistan should be a perfect example of why you don't take countries at their word when they say they're not developing nukes. Just because you don't view the current political climate in Iran as leaning towards nuclear war doesn't mean it'll remain that way.
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brookly red Mon, Jun 28, 2010 8:03:25pm |
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Dancing along the light of day Mon, Jun 28, 2010 8:04:07pm |
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What, me worry? Mon, Jun 28, 2010 8:05:33pm |
re: #43 Boogberg
Yeah but China has li'l Kim's back to a large degree. Who has Dinnerjacket's back?
Chavez for one. Hell, Karzai even invited him over for a spot of tea!
[Link: www.atimes.com...]
[Link: www.cnn.com...]
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b_Snark Mon, Jun 28, 2010 8:05:58pm |
Pandora's box is open. It is only a matter of time before luggable dirty nuke weapons are a reality.
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Racer X Mon, Jun 28, 2010 8:06:00pm |
re: #61 marjoriemoon
I don't think he'd ever use a nuke on Israel. We'd flatten him.
Dinnerjacket would sell give a nuke to Hezbollah in a heartbeat. 2 for good measure. A small terrorist cell will get their hands on it and BLAMMO! Israel has a glow.
Dinnerjacket can shrug and say "what? We didn't nuke anyone."
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Jun 28, 2010 8:06:08pm |
re: #67 soap_man
Well, that was a pretty mean thing to say.
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MandyManners Mon, Jun 28, 2010 8:06:48pm |
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Decatur Deb Mon, Jun 28, 2010 8:06:54pm |
re: #57 ~Fianna
Yup... this is why I'm more concerned with Pakistan than I am with Iran at this moment. There are more than enough nuts in the Pakistani government, they already have the nukes and they'd LOVE to take a swipe at India, who also have the capacity to hit back.
I don't know what they or Norks do for permissable action systems. If they suck, a single diverted weapon or so could get loose. That's a worry.
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~Fianna Mon, Jun 28, 2010 8:07:18pm |
re: #53 Charles
OK, you're entitled to that view.
But meanwhile, Iran keeps adding centrifuges to their enrichment facilities.
You might be right, but you might also be very wrong.
What are the consequences of being wrong?
Drastic, honestly. I don't know what the "good" course of action to take with Iran is. I think that if we intervene too drastically, we run the risk of alienating the people on the ground who want much more western engagement - the young people and the entrepreneurs. By the same token, we can't just ignore the whole thing because you're absolutely right in worrying about the worst-case-scenario.
As I've said else-thread, I'm currently much more worried about the fact that we're ignoring how radicalized the government of Pakistan is, probably in the same way that you're worried about the consequences of us ignoring Iran.
In order of nutcases I think are going to start at least small-scale regional nuclear conflicts, my order of declining worry is:
1. N. Korea, especially in light of some suspicion that they're giving secrets to Burma. ([Link: www.idsa.in...]
2. Pakistan
3. Iran
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MandyManners Mon, Jun 28, 2010 8:07:45pm |
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soap_man Mon, Jun 28, 2010 8:07:52pm |
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zora Mon, Jun 28, 2010 8:08:06pm |
re: #61 marjoriemoon
imo. under no circumstances should kim jong il or ahmadinejad have the chance to use a nuke. they will do as much harm to their enemies (real or imagined) as they are capable and that is the way in which they should be dealt. as far as i'm concerned, they have made destruction their mission statement. evil little elves.
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b_Snark Mon, Jun 28, 2010 8:08:13pm |
re: #70 Floral Giraffe
Blue light special on aisle seven!
Multi-purpose Coca Cola! Now, not only for drinking.
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Stuart Leviton Mon, Jun 28, 2010 8:08:59pm |
It is all Israel's fault. If only Israel would eliminate all their nuclear weapons, then there would be no need for Iran to want to produce a bomb. Everyone could then rest in peace.
/ how do you say "good grief" in Hebrew? Oy gevalt.
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Bagua Mon, Jun 28, 2010 8:09:35pm |
re: #25 ~Fianna
This actually goes along with the fatwa that Ayatolla Ali Khamenei issued in 2005 stating that WMD are un-Islamic.
I think there's a big debate in Iran over whether nuclear weapons are in their long-term best interest. It will be interesting to see which side prevails.
Yes, it is known as Taqiyya.
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~Fianna Mon, Jun 28, 2010 8:10:45pm |
re: #60 Charles
Exactly. People shouldn't be fooled into thinking that because there is unrest against the mullahs, it means the protesters are also against the nuclear weapons program. They aren't.
This is something that I don't feel knowledgeable enough to argue conclusively, but it's my understanding that there is a desire for medical and energy-producing nuclear production (which is not really at a level of enrichment that makes them good for warheads), but that there is a more western-leaning faction isn't interested in pursuing weapons-grade enrichment and is amenable to using uranium enriched outside the country.
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Targetpractice Mon, Jun 28, 2010 8:11:05pm |
re: #66 Charles
He doesn't have to use the nukes.
The mere possession of nuclear weapons is a major game-changer.
It will also spur further proliferation in the Middle East. First you had North Korea drop out of the NPT to build their nukes out in the open, now you've got Iran all but doing the same while claiming to be abiding by the NPT. When Iran finishes its Quest for Atomic Fire, that's it, game over. The NPT will be essentially pointless, and a new nuclear arms race begun.
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MandyManners Mon, Jun 28, 2010 8:11:06pm |
re: #82 Stuart Leviton
It is all Israel's fault. If only Israel would eliminate all their nuclear weapons, then there would be no need for Iran to want to produce a bomb. Everyone could then rest in peace.
/ how do you say "good grief" in Hebrew? Oy gevalt.
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Bagua Mon, Jun 28, 2010 8:11:23pm |
re: #39 ~Fianna
I'm actually not completely sure of that. I think that there is a big undercurrent of discontent with the results of the revolution within the country and that the government is afraid of its own citizens. The events of a year ago were pretty conclusive that a large swath of the people of Iran are tired of this government and that can't help but have an effect on the government itself.
The people that are sitting are not good guys, but I'm not entirely sure that the full leadership is insane enough to push the rest of the world that far.
It is irrelevant as the citizens do not have power in Iran, the Mullahs and military have the power.
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What, me worry? Mon, Jun 28, 2010 8:12:11pm |
re: #73 Racer X
Dinnerjacket would
sellgive a nuke to Hezbollah in a heartbeat. 2 for good measure. A small terrorist cell will get their hands on it and BLAMMO! Israel has a glow.Dinnerjacket can shrug and say "what? We didn't nuke anyone."
THAT is a more likely scenario in my book.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Jun 28, 2010 8:12:12pm |
re: #79 soap_man
I think that's about the only math/statistics related joke I have, aside from any that might involve pie charts.
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brookly red Mon, Jun 28, 2010 8:13:32pm |
so if Iran or NK was to actually use a nuke what could the possible retaliation be?
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Boogberg Mon, Jun 28, 2010 8:14:06pm |
re: #71 marjoriemoon
Chavez for one. Hell, Karzai even invited him over for a spot of tea!
[Link: www.atimes.com...]
[Link: www.cnn.com...]
Enough of his OWN people will keep his ass in check. They're barely breaking even with oil prices where they are.
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What, me worry? Mon, Jun 28, 2010 8:15:50pm |
re: #80 zora
imo. under no circumstances should kim jong il or ahmadinejad have the chance to use a nuke. they will do as much harm to their enemies (real or imagined) as they are capable and that is the way in which they should be dealt. as far as i'm concerned, they have made destruction their mission statement. evil little elves.
Indeed. But Sadaam played a good game too and after Israel took out their reactors in 1981, he was never able to rebuild. The difference with Iran is that they have friends. Sadaam pretty well alienated the Arab world. Hizzbolah, Syria and Hamas are Iran's puppets and any rogue nation who hates us.
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Decatur Deb Mon, Jun 28, 2010 8:16:22pm |
re: #90 brookly red
so if Iran or NK was to actually use a nuke what could the possible retaliation be?
They become fair game.
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justaminute Mon, Jun 28, 2010 8:16:31pm |
Some think Ahmadenijad wants to point out a double standard to his intended audience (the Arab man on the street) that the big powers push Iran to disclose and leaves Israel to be the only armed nuclear power in the ME. Israel has never confirmed or denied they have nuclear arms and has not had the UN inspect them.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jun 28, 2010 8:16:58pm |
re: #57 ~Fianna
Yup... this is why I'm more concerned with Pakistan than I am with Iran at this moment. There are more than enough nuts in the Pakistani government, they already have the nukes and they'd LOVE to take a swipe at India, who also have the capacity to hit back.
We should also remember that there are a number of players and a number of possible scenarios for the 'Where's The Nuclear Threat Coming From' game, and NONE of them are winners for the free world.
It's easy to get bogged down into 'if you think Lil' Kim is more dangerous, you don't understand that Dinnerjacket is a religious fanatic' games. Sadly, this is NOT a shell game, there is a nuclear pea under each cup.
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~Fianna Mon, Jun 28, 2010 8:17:19pm |
re: #90 brookly red
so if Iran or NK was to actually use a nuke what could the possible retaliation be?
We'd wipe them off the map. MAD has its benefits, and we're the undisputed winner of that game.
It would take a level of absolute insanity or righteous religious fundamentalism to be willing to walk up to that brink. I'm not sure that Iran in its current state is either that insane or that fanatical. There are elements that are, but I don't think that the government as a whole is that unstable.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jun 28, 2010 8:18:01pm |
re: #73 Racer X
Dinnerjacket would
sellgive a nuke to Hezbollah in a heartbeat. 2 for good measure. A small terrorist cell will get their hands on it and BLAMMO! Israel has a glow.Dinnerjacket can shrug and say "what? We didn't nuke anyone."
I don't know if he'd be able to get to a phone after that.
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Racer X Mon, Jun 28, 2010 8:18:15pm |
re: #90 brookly red
so if Iran or NK was to actually use a nuke what could the possible retaliation be?
If either one were to give it this douche, then that douche sells it to another douche, then those douchebags provide it to this other group of douche's, NOTHING.
There is no way America or anyone else retaliates with nukes in that scenario. We'll spend months trying to figure out who the real asshole was who provided the nuke.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jun 28, 2010 8:19:18pm |
re: #83 Bagua
Yes, it is known as Taqiyya.
Ya know, 'lying through your teeth for political purposes' is a perfectly good phrase in English, and doesn't suggest that it's a uniquely Muslim phenomenon.
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Racer X Mon, Jun 28, 2010 8:19:35pm |
re: #96 ~Fianna
We'd wipe them off the map. MAD has its benefits, and we're the undisputed winner of that game.
It would take a level of absolute insanity or righteous religious fundamentalism to be willing to walk up to that brink. I'm not sure that Iran in its current state is either that insane or that fanatical. There are elements that are, but I don't think that the government as a whole is that unstable.
Dinnerjacket would love to take us to the brink and summon the Mahdi.
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brookly red Mon, Jun 28, 2010 8:19:46pm |
re: #98 Racer X
If either one were to give it this douche, then that douche sells it to another douche, then those douchebags provide it to this other group of douche's, NOTHING.
There is no way America or anyone else retaliates with nukes in that scenario. We'll spend months trying to figure out who the real asshole was who provided the nuke.
I think that Israel would not hesitate for a second.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jun 28, 2010 8:20:24pm |
re: #94 justaminute
Some think Ahmadenijad wants to point out a double standard to his intended audience (the Arab man on the street) that the big powers push Iran to disclose and leaves Israel to be the only armed nuclear power in the ME. Israel has never confirmed or denied they have nuclear arms and has not had the UN inspect them.
Don't think he needs to do that--the Arab man on the street knows that already, but also doesn't trust Persians as far as he can throw 'em.
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Bagua Mon, Jun 28, 2010 8:22:15pm |
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Charles Johnson Mon, Jun 28, 2010 8:22:23pm |
re: #96 ~Fianna
We'd wipe them off the map. MAD has its benefits, and we're the undisputed winner of that game.
It would take a level of absolute insanity or righteous religious fundamentalism to be willing to walk up to that brink. I'm not sure that Iran in its current state is either that insane or that fanatical. There are elements that are, but I don't think that the government as a whole is that unstable.
Again, they don't have to actually use a nuke.
The mere fact of having nuclear weapons is a giant game-changer. The rest of the Middle East will see no option but to follow suit and start their own nuclear weapons programs. (Some of them are undoubtedly doing it already in a low profile way.)
It's not about using them. It's about having them.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jun 28, 2010 8:23:03pm |
re: #98 Racer X
If either one were to give it this douche, then that douche sells it to another douche, then those douchebags provide it to this other group of douche's, NOTHING.
There is no way America or anyone else retaliates with nukes in that scenario. We'll spend months trying to figure out who the real asshole was who provided the nuke.
Sadly agree. If we figured it out quickly, then we might retaliate. But if we had to wait, the impetus for retaliation would fade, given that retaliating against both Iran or North Korea would be expensive.
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Targetpractice Mon, Jun 28, 2010 8:23:39pm |
re: #94 justaminute
Some think Ahmadenijad wants to point out a double standard to his intended audience (the Arab man on the street) that the big powers push Iran to disclose and leaves Israel to be the only armed nuclear power in the ME. Israel has never confirmed or denied they have nuclear arms and has not had the UN inspect them.
"Some" seem to forget that Israel is not a signatory to the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, while Iran is. The UN has neither the authority or the evidence to demand Israel open any fabled stockpile to inspection or regulation.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jun 28, 2010 8:23:56pm |
re: #104 Bagua
You consider Ahmadinejad honest?
[Video]
Admittedly, we all pick and choose Dinnerjacket's words to promote our own interpretation of what he's likely to do next. I've been told many a time that we should believe he intends to do X or Y because he's said so.
Each statement needs to be assessed in light of everything we know.
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Charles Johnson Mon, Jun 28, 2010 8:25:30pm |
Wow. I can't believe the email I just received.
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What, me worry? Mon, Jun 28, 2010 8:25:53pm |
re: #105 Charles
Again, they don't have to actually use a nuke.
The mere fact of having nuclear weapons is a giant game-changer. The rest of the Middle East will see no option but to follow suit and start their own nuclear weapons programs. (Some of them are undoubtedly doing it already in a low profile way.)
It's not about using them. It's about having them.
It's also about making others, particularly your enemies, believe you have them. Like Sadaam's little game. He was acquiring, but after Israel took out his reactors in 1981, he never got it going again. He wasn't going to let anyone know that.
I do think this scenario is different on many levels, but the idea of bluffing isn't so ridiculous. To me, it's mostly a reason not to pre-emptively attack Iran.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jun 28, 2010 8:25:56pm |
re: #109 Charles
Wow. I can't believe the email I just received.
Would you like to share? I love your e-mail.
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Boogberg Mon, Jun 28, 2010 8:25:57pm |
Well it must suck knowing that your country could be annihilated before you even got a chance to fight. Maybe we should give 'em some defensive nukes.
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justaminute Mon, Jun 28, 2010 8:26:34pm |
re: #102 SanFranciscoZionist
Don't think he needs to do that--the Arab man on the street knows that already, but also doesn't trust Persians as far as he can throw 'em.
True, but the Arab man on the street, Egypt, Jordan, and Saudia Arabia is believed by the man on the streets to be puppets to the US. They are believed to be useful puppets to the US. Even on 911 we did not attack Saudia Arabia when 19 of the hijackers came from there. We attacked rightly Osama but the money for alot of bad actors is believed to come from the Saudi's. No matter what we in the US think that is what other believe.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jun 28, 2010 8:26:59pm |
re: #110 marjoriemoon
It's also about making others, particularly your enemies, believe you have them. Like Sadaam's little game. He was acquiring, but after Israel took out his reactors in 1981, he never got it going again. He wasn't going to let anyone know that.
I do think this scenario is different on many levels, but the idea of bluffing isn't so ridiculous. To me, it's mostly a reason not to pre-emptively attack Iran.
We made mistakes with Saddam, in terms of interpreting who he was telling what to, and why.
It is a different scenario, but it's a good reminder that we don't want to take anything at surface value.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jun 28, 2010 8:27:01pm |
re: #109 Charles
Wow. I can't believe the email I just received.
Please share. The loony-email is always kind of funny.
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MandyManners Mon, Jun 28, 2010 8:27:25pm |
re: #94 justaminute
Some think Ahmadenijad wants to point out a double standard to his intended audience (the Arab man on the street) that the big powers push Iran to disclose and leaves Israel to be the only armed nuclear power in the ME. Israel has never confirmed or denied they have nuclear arms and has not had the UN inspect them.
So what?
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Cato the Elder Mon, Jun 28, 2010 8:27:44pm |
re: #109 Charles
Wow. I can't believe the email I just received.
What?
Someone thinks because you quote a guy, you support him?
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What, me worry? Mon, Jun 28, 2010 8:28:10pm |
re: #113 justaminute
True, but the Arab man on the street, Egypt, Jordan, and Saudia Arabia is believed by the man on the streets to be puppets to the US. They are believed to be useful puppets to the US. Even on 911 we did not attack Saudia Arabia when 19 of the hijackers came from there. We attacked rightly Osama but the money for alot of bad actors is believed to come from the Saudi's. No matter what we in the US think that is what other believe.
You sure about that??
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Bagua Mon, Jun 28, 2010 8:28:51pm |
re: #96 ~Fianna
We'd wipe them off the map. MAD has its benefits, and we're the undisputed winner of that game.
It would take a level of absolute insanity or righteous religious fundamentalism to be willing to walk up to that brink. I'm not sure that Iran in its current state is either that insane or that fanatical. There are elements that are, but I don't think that the government as a whole is that unstable.
If you're "not sure that Iran in its current state is either that insane or that fanatical" then you must be entirely naive and unaware of history.
Waiting for the evil regime in Iran to acquire nuclear weapons is utter insanity. Talking in terms of MAD is reckless and suicidal. The only sane level of security is to deprive the Mullah dictatorship of their nuclear program.
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MandyManners Mon, Jun 28, 2010 8:29:02pm |
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Dancing along the light of day Mon, Jun 28, 2010 8:29:21pm |
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Charles Johnson Mon, Jun 28, 2010 8:29:28pm |
I strongly suspect this is a fake, sent by a stalker, but here you go:
Assalamu Alilkum Wa Rahmatulah Wa Barakatuh Charles Johnson,
For many years you were one of the biggest foes of the Islamic cause. Now in recent times I see your heart is warming to the plight of Muslims in Europe and America. You have rejected the radical Christians and their evil Zionist allies and have helped stop the spread of their smears. Islam is a religion that promotes peace, tolerance and brotherhood of men. Even in the times of The Prophet Muhammad(sallallahou alayhi wasallam), many at first were enemies of Islam. Later after hearing his message of love and peace, their hearts warmed and they converted. I feel now you are ready to embrace the word of Allah and the message of his beloved Prophet (sallallahou alayhi wasallam). Come to Islam Charles, in the Deen you will find the love you have been seeking. You can be a powerful voice for the Ummah and combat the evil Crusader-Zionist agenda that is attempting to destroy America and the world.
Please consider this invitation to Islam.
Sincerely,
Abdul Ghaffar
I hope "Abdul" isn't holding his breath waiting for that.
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Obdicut Mon, Jun 28, 2010 8:30:55pm |
re: #123 Charles
Poe's Law applies to Muslim fanatics too, I guess. Hard to tell a fake.
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Cato the Elder Mon, Jun 28, 2010 8:31:37pm |
OK, just to relativize things, here's another song clip from the great Shajarian of Iran. (Warning: almost ten minutes. Those with short attention spans, NSFC: not safe for cerebellum.)
There are many, many people in Iran who just want to live their lives.
Unfortunately, all there lives are in the hands of the mullahs.
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Decatur Deb Mon, Jun 28, 2010 8:31:50pm |
re: #123 Charles
You could at least work it for an ecumenical brunch.
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Bagua Mon, Jun 28, 2010 8:32:05pm |
re: #99 SanFranciscoZionist
Ya know, 'lying through your teeth for political purposes' is a perfectly good phrase in English, and doesn't suggest that it's a uniquely Muslim phenomenon.
When dealing with a fanatical and fundamentalist Islam regime it is quite sensible to understand them on their own terms.
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MandyManners Mon, Jun 28, 2010 8:33:40pm |
re: #127 Bagua
When dealing with a fanatical and fundamentalist Islam regime it is quite sensible to understand them on their own terms.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jun 28, 2010 8:33:45pm |
re: #123 Charles
I strongly suspect this is a fake, sent by a stalker, but here you go:
I hope "Abdul" isn't holding his breath waiting for that.
I call Poe, but hell, the world is full of crazy people.
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justaminute Mon, Jun 28, 2010 8:34:00pm |
re: #107 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
"Some" seem to forget that Israel is not a signatory to the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, while Iran is. The UN has neither the authority or the evidence to demand Israel open any fabled stockpile to inspection or regulation.
Yes, that is the west thinking, but remember we are talking about what others are thinking. They just see double standards. As far as they think, the US ruined their attempt at a democracy and were only friends with Iran because of oil and proximity to Russia. They saw that the US supported Iraq in the war. They say the US supports puppets that harm the people and talks about democracy out of the side of their mouth.
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Bagua Mon, Jun 28, 2010 8:34:09pm |
re: #108 SanFranciscoZionist
Admittedly, we all pick and choose Dinnerjacket's words to promote our own interpretation of what he's likely to do next. I've been told many a time that we should believe he intends to do X or Y because he's said so.
Each statement needs to be assessed in light of everything we know.
I don't have to cherry pick from Ahmadinijad's statements, there is a plethora of crazy emanating from that evil man and his evil regime.
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brookly red Mon, Jun 28, 2010 8:35:27pm |
re: #127 Bagua
When dealing with a fanatical and fundamentalist Islam regime it is quite sensible to understand them on their own terms.
/gee it's growling and showing it's teeth... what should I do?
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What, me worry? Mon, Jun 28, 2010 8:35:44pm |
re: #115 SanFranciscoZionist
We made mistakes with Saddam, in terms of interpreting who he was telling what to, and why.
It is a different scenario, but it's a good reminder that we don't want to take anything at surface value.
That's really not true. I had been reading some of the interviews with David Kay and the inspectors (sounds like a rock group) back in 1999-2000. There was a whole series on PBS about Sadaam and his rise to power. I've posted the links a bunch of times.
Anyway, they didn't know what he had. It was a 50/50 guess and the inspectors were actively in the country. What troubled them the most is that they couldn't find any of the toxic waste and wondered what he was doing with it. Well, we found out in 2003 that there wasn't any waste because there were no nukes.
PBS also did a documentary which followed the inspectors around. The Iraqis only revealed so much and then gave them the run around. This went on for about 12 years. Imagine.
Now, less than 3 years later, it's all come together? And David Kay is 100% sure he's got nukes? Made no sense to me.
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Vicious Babushka Mon, Jun 28, 2010 8:35:52pm |
re: #123 Charles
I strongly suspect this is a fake, sent by a stalker, but here you go:
I hope "Abdul" isn't holding his breath waiting for that.
Where is the sender's IP?
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Gearhead Mon, Jun 28, 2010 8:36:48pm |
"...accumulating atomic weapons."
Sure. Why go to all the trouble to procure the materials, evade sanctions, and thumb your nose at the rest of the world if you're not going to use the silly things.
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Decatur Deb Mon, Jun 28, 2010 8:37:34pm |
re: #137 Gearhead
Sure. Why go to all the trouble to procure the materials, evade sanctions, and thumb your nose at the rest of the world if you're not going to use the silly things.
Tens of thousands have been built, only two have been used.
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Bagua Mon, Jun 28, 2010 8:37:39pm |
re: #134 brookly red
/gee it's growling and showing it's teeth... what should I do?
My vote is to remove the nuclear and missile program. End of story, problem over. Future generations can debate what might have happened differently.
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MandyManners Mon, Jun 28, 2010 8:37:49pm |
Yeah, they lost. Now, The Kid is all into the sauna-system in my bathroom.
A brief second ago I asked God to help me deal with this loss.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jun 28, 2010 8:38:07pm |
re: #123 Charles
I strongly suspect this is a fake, sent by a stalker, but here you go:
I hope "Abdul" isn't holding his breath waiting for that.
Yep, it sounds like somebody's fake, based on who they think you've become.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Jun 28, 2010 8:38:12pm |
re: #134 brookly red
/gee it's growling and showing it's teeth... what should I do?
Feed it some gecko jerky and it might drop a key.
/game reference nerd off
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justaminute Mon, Jun 28, 2010 8:38:21pm |
re: #119 marjoriemoon
You sure about that??
Yes, I am. I have been going to the Iran since 1983. I just listen to what people say. Have you ever read anything what the average Iranian, Jordanian, Egyptian, thinks? It's not that flattering to the US.
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What, me worry? Mon, Jun 28, 2010 8:38:32pm |
re: #123 Charles
I strongly suspect this is a fake, sent by a stalker, but here you go:
I hope "Abdul" isn't holding his breath waiting for that.
Goodness!
Little does he know, you've already been dubbed an honorary Jew.
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MandyManners Mon, Jun 28, 2010 8:38:37pm |
re: #140 MandyManners
Yeah, they lost. Now, The Kid is all into the sauna-system in my bathroom.
A brief second ago I asked God to help me deal with this loss.
Is there an irony tag?
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jun 28, 2010 8:38:46pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jun 28, 2010 8:38:50pm |
re: #127 Bagua
When dealing with a fanatical and fundamentalist Islam regime it is quite sensible to understand them on their own terms.
It can be. It can also be very easy to become swept up in a fascination with terms, and special words, and lose track of the real politics
"Lying", or "telling different things to different audiences" are universal political concepts.
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brookly red Mon, Jun 28, 2010 8:38:51pm |
re: #139 Bagua
My vote is to remove the nuclear and missile program. End of story, problem over. Future generations can debate what might have happened differently.
yes future generations..
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Targetpractice Mon, Jun 28, 2010 8:38:52pm |
re: #132 justaminute
Yes, that is the west thinking, but remember we are talking about what others are thinking. They just see double standards. As far as they think, the US ruined their attempt at a democracy and were only friends with Iran because of oil and proximity to Russia. They saw that the US supported Iraq in the war. They say the US supports puppets that harm the people and talks about democracy out of the side of their mouth.
From all appearances, their beefs with the US are not enough to keep Dinnerjacket and the Mullahs from being every bit as despised.
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Charles Johnson Mon, Jun 28, 2010 8:38:58pm |
re: #136 Alouette
Where is the sender's IP?
It wasn't sent with the contact form. It's a direct email from a Gmail address, and Gmail doesn't include the sender's IP address in email headers.
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Gearhead Mon, Jun 28, 2010 8:39:58pm |
re: #138 Decatur Deb
Tens of thousands have been built, only two have been used.
There shoulda been a sarc tag in my post somewhere.
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Boogberg Mon, Jun 28, 2010 8:40:22pm |
That's a fake. There's no "plight of Muslims" in the US and Europe.
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Varek Raith Mon, Jun 28, 2010 8:41:22pm |
re: #152 Boogberg
That's a fake. There's no "plight of Muslims" in the US and Europe.
There is if you've got a persecution complex!
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MandyManners Mon, Jun 28, 2010 8:42:12pm |
I feel extremely alienated from LGF after using the PAGES' thingy.
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Daniel Ballard Mon, Jun 28, 2010 8:42:42pm |
re: #24 HoosierHoops
The level of inaction following the Norks test set the stage.
This works both ways-Tom Clancy wrote about how our strategic opponents changed their plans as they observed our precision firepower and bunker busters. The Chinese put super strong "witches hats" on their ICBM silos. Bunker busters would deflect.
Anyway, Iran is clearly emboldened by our policies despite severe internal stresses. Connect the dots. The Iran policy of at least two presidents has failed to inhibit Iran from nuclear weapons research.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jun 28, 2010 8:42:46pm |
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Bagua Mon, Jun 28, 2010 8:43:20pm |
re: #147 SanFranciscoZionist
It can be. It can also be very easy to become swept up in a fascination with terms, and special words, and lose track of the real politics
"Lying", or "telling different things to different audiences" are universal political concepts.
As Ahmadinejad is head of a radical Islamic regime and frequently makes reference to Islamic books, sayings and beliefs it is entirely justified to interpret his words in their obvious context.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jun 28, 2010 8:44:16pm |
re: #155 brookly red
/it was a typo... it should have read blight.
You don't mean that I hope. That's perilously close to the way the Stalkers talk.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Jun 28, 2010 8:44:24pm |
re: #123 Charles
I strongly suspect this is a fake, sent by a stalker, but here you go:
I hope "Abdul" isn't holding his breath waiting for that.
It's bogus.
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brookly red Mon, Jun 28, 2010 8:44:31pm |
re: #157 SanFranciscoZionist
I'm not feeling blighted.
If you don't let me make rhyme jokes I am going back to douche puns...
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Decatur Deb Mon, Jun 28, 2010 8:45:14pm |
re: #154 MandyManners
I feel extremely alienated from LGF after using the PAGES' thingy.
Be sure to come back for the next feminine hygiene festival.
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justaminute Mon, Jun 28, 2010 8:45:24pm |
re: #149 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
From all appearances, their beefs with the US are not enough to keep Dinnerjacket and the Mullahs from being every bit as despised.
Yes, they are but avg. Iranians believes that the gov will go down only by the Iranians themselves. The US has done enough. They (the people) would like our gov to acknowledge their fight but we can when we go around signing "Bomb, bomb, Iran" and tell the people we only have their best interests at heart when we have never before.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jun 28, 2010 8:45:33pm |
re: #162 brookly red
If you don't let me make rhyme jokes I am going back to douche puns...
I can handle the douche.
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brookly red Mon, Jun 28, 2010 8:45:38pm |
re: #160 Dark_Falcon
You don't mean that I hope. That's perilously close to the way the Stalkers talk.
awww crap another one? look I used the / tag... it was a rhyme that is all.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jun 28, 2010 8:46:23pm |
re: #164 justaminute
Yes, they are but avg. Iranians believes that the gov will go down only by the Iranians themselves.
I'm guessing that they're correct.
Speedily, and in our day, would be best.
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Charles Johnson Mon, Jun 28, 2010 8:46:31pm |
re: #161 Killgore Trout
It's bogus.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure it is. But I've received similar emails before that were probably genuine, so I'm not entirely certain.
It does have the reek of a Pamela Geller/Robert Spencer fan's stunt.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jun 28, 2010 8:47:01pm |
re: #168 Charles
Yeah, I'm pretty sure it is. But I've received similar emails before that were probably genuine, so I'm not entirely certain.
It does have the reek of a Pamela Geller/Robert Spencer fan's stunt.
Are they hoping you'll take the dude up on his offer?
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Racer X Mon, Jun 28, 2010 8:47:42pm |
re: #168 Charles
Yeah, I'm pretty sure it is. But I've received similar emails before that were probably genuine, so I'm not entirely certain.
It does have the reek of a Pamela Geller/Robert Spencer fan's stunt.
What would the point be?
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Charles Johnson Mon, Jun 28, 2010 8:47:45pm |
re: #169 SanFranciscoZionist
Are they hoping you'll take the dude up on his offer?
No, they're just being assholes as usual.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Jun 28, 2010 8:48:02pm |
Attn:Lizards
Update: Kudos to wingnuts for basic decency and honesty
I was skeptical of how effective twitter can be but I really think it does work. I created a page, it got a few clicks and a few retweets and it embarrassed a wingnut into making a retraction. A very rare occasion in these times. It's worth the effort.
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Charles Johnson Mon, Jun 28, 2010 8:48:39pm |
re: #170 Racer X
What would the point be?
I've given up trying to figure out what motivates stalkers. Now I just fuck with them as much as I can.
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Targetpractice Mon, Jun 28, 2010 8:48:48pm |
re: #164 justaminute
Yes, they are but avg. Iranians believes that the gov will go down only by the Iranians themselves. The US has done enough. They (the people) would like our gov to acknowledge their fight but we can when we go around signing "Bomb, bomb, Iran" and tell the people we only have their best interests at heart when we have never before.
That's the same impression of the situation that I've come to, that the guy on the street isn't looking for "liberation," and will respond negatively, but acknowledge of the efforts to remove the failed government is welcomed. They want to know that we will not, as we did with the Shah, step in to help out the Mullahs in order to maintain the "status quo."
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Killgore Trout Mon, Jun 28, 2010 8:49:11pm |
re: #172 Killgore Trout
My kudos were rather ungracious but I'm out of patience with these fuckers.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jun 28, 2010 8:49:16pm |
re: #166 brookly red
awww crap another one? look I used the / tag... it was a rhyme that is all.
OK, I understand. It's just that some things really should not be joked about. IMO, that is one of them.
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justaminute Mon, Jun 28, 2010 8:49:20pm |
re: #167 SanFranciscoZionist
I'm guessing that they're correct.
Speedily, and in our day, would be best.
These sanctions that where just put in place may be brutal, and might spark the flame. It's a good shot.
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Racer X Mon, Jun 28, 2010 8:49:27pm |
re: #173 Charles
I've given up trying to figure out what motivates stalkers. Now I just fuck with them as much as I can.
LOL!
I like the way you think.
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Decatur Deb Mon, Jun 28, 2010 8:49:57pm |
re: #168 Charles
Yeah, I'm pretty sure it is. But I've received similar emails before that were probably genuine, so I'm not entirely certain.
It does have the reek of a Pamela Geller/Robert Spencer fan's stunt.
File it with the invitation to have your Engrams cleared.
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brookly red Mon, Jun 28, 2010 8:50:20pm |
re: #176 Dark_Falcon
OK, I understand. It's just that some things really should not be joked about. IMO, that is one of them.
no one bats .1000
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justaminute Mon, Jun 28, 2010 8:50:47pm |
re: #174 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
That's the same impression of the situation that I've come to, that the guy on the street isn't looking for "liberation," and will respond negatively, but acknowledge of the efforts to remove the failed government is welcomed. They want to know that we will not, as we did with the Shah, step in to help out the Mullahs in order to maintain the "status quo."
By jove you got it.
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Cato the Elder Mon, Jun 28, 2010 8:51:57pm |
re: #146 Dark_Falcon
When will they ever learn?
Not exactly what the original singers meant, but the answer is: never.
Sometimes a gun is the correct response.
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Mich-again Mon, Jun 28, 2010 8:52:27pm |
re: #123 Charles
I strongly suspect this is a fake, sent by a stalker, but here you go:
I say more likely a prank. Anyone heard from poster Aisha lately? Maybe he/she got a burka puppet.
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Gearhead Mon, Jun 28, 2010 8:52:38pm |
re: #174 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
I'll give that an upding and a "Hear, hear."
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jun 28, 2010 8:53:07pm |
re: #175 Killgore Trout
My kudos were rather ungracious but I'm out of patience with these fuckers.
Well, to be fair that was PJM that you gave some credit to. They don't suffer from the full, frothing Charles-Hate that animates the Stalker Blog.
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What, me worry? Mon, Jun 28, 2010 8:53:28pm |
re: #164 justaminute
Yes, they are but avg. Iranians believes that the gov will go down only by the Iranians themselves. The US has done enough. They (the people) would like our gov to acknowledge their fight but we can when we go around signing "Bomb, bomb, Iran" and tell the people we only have their best interests at heart when we have never before.
Well, not all of us want to bomb Iran. In fact, I'd wager the vast majority. Unfortunately, the kooks sometimes get the louder voices.
But you said that after 9/11 we rightly attacked Osama, when we attacked Sadaam Hussein. Osama wasn't there.
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Charles Johnson Mon, Jun 28, 2010 8:53:46pm |
I'm just going to point out again the incredible, insane danger of assuming that Iran isn't serious about acquiring nuclear weapons, despite every indicator that they ARE very serious, and working hard toward that goal.
If your policy recommendations are accepted, and you're wrong, there will be hell to pay. Literally.
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Targetpractice Mon, Jun 28, 2010 8:54:38pm |
re: #168 Charles
Yeah, I'm pretty sure it is. But I've received similar emails before that were probably genuine, so I'm not entirely certain.
It does have the reek of a Pamela Geller/Robert Spencer fan's stunt.
Reads like they're trying to paint you as having totally gone over to the "Dark Side." First you "join" the Left, now the "Grand Muslim Conspiracy" wants you to "join" them.
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Boogberg Mon, Jun 28, 2010 8:54:49pm |
re: #168 Charles
Yeah, I'm pretty sure it is. But I've received similar emails before that were probably genuine, so I'm not entirely certain.
It does have the reek of a Pamela Geller/Robert Spencer fan's stunt.
They should be aware by now that you despise Islamism just as much as any other kooky idealism, Charles.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jun 28, 2010 8:54:56pm |
re: #182 Cato the Elder
Not exactly what the original singers meant, but the answer is: never.
Sometimes a gun is the correct response.
Quite concur. Violence is never a good answer, but with some types of enemy it is the Only Answer.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jun 28, 2010 8:55:17pm |
re: #187 Charles
I'm just going to point out again the incredible, insane danger of assuming that Iran isn't serious about acquiring nuclear weapons, despite every indicator that they ARE very serious, and working hard toward that goal.
If your policy recommendations are accepted, and you're wrong, there will be hell to pay. Literally.
I have the wonderful benefit of not giving policy recommendations about Iran to anyone with any power to do anything about them.
I'm quite pleased about that, really.
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Firstinla Mon, Jun 28, 2010 8:55:28pm |
re: #61 marjoriemoon
I think if Iran gets the bomb the leadership will use it to take out Israel. Like suicide bombers, they know they will die as a result of their action but its all about suffering martyrdom to rid the world of infidels. As we work to prevent individual suicide bombers, so too must we prevent Iran from every strapping on the bomb.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jun 28, 2010 8:56:08pm |
re: #187 Charles
I'm just going to point out again the incredible, insane danger of assuming that Iran isn't serious about acquiring nuclear weapons, despite every indicator that they ARE very serious, and working hard toward that goal.
If your policy recommendations are accepted, and you're wrong, there will be hell to pay. Literally.
Are you talking to Fianna? Because you didn't have a reply tag. I agree with you entirely.
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Racer X Mon, Jun 28, 2010 8:56:11pm |
re: #191 SanFranciscoZionist
I have the wonderful benefit of not giving policy recommendations about Iran to anyone with any power to do anything about them.
I'm quite pleased about that, really.
Obama reads LGF.
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justaminute Mon, Jun 28, 2010 8:57:14pm |
re: #186 marjoriemoon
Well, not all of us want to bomb Iran. In fact, I'd wager the vast majority. Unfortunately, the kooks sometimes get the louder voices.
But you said that after 9/11 we rightly attacked Osama, when we attacked Sadaam Hussein. Osama wasn't there.
That's what the people think. They thought the US only attacked Iraq for their oil. They thought the US installed a puppet government in Iraq, and are going to do in Afghanistan and will do so in Iran.
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Vicious Babushka Mon, Jun 28, 2010 8:57:26pm |
My daughter just posted about 100 photos of her trip to London. She absolutely had a super time, except that she didn't meet any cool British guys, just lame losers.
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Charles Johnson Mon, Jun 28, 2010 8:58:52pm |
The deluge of craziness I'm getting in my email Inbox from the Republican Party about Elena Kagan is just mind-boggling, by the way.
The GOP has completely lost it.
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Cato the Elder Mon, Jun 28, 2010 8:59:43pm |
re: #125 Cato the Elder
OK, just to relativize things, here's another song clip from the great Shajarian of Iran. (Warning: almost ten minutes. Those with short attention spans, NSFC: not safe for cerebellum.)
There are many, many people in Iran who just want to live their lives.
Unfortunately, all there lives are in the hands of the mullahs.
Note:
The four-stringed upright bowed instrument is a cousin of the violin, viola, viola da gamba, cello, and contrabass.
The four-stringed plucked instrument is a cousin of the banjo.
The round drum is a cousin of the Irish bodhran.
All of them are very, very ancient. Probably some of them are the same instruments that King David wrote for, sung along with, and listened to.
Music is indeed the universal language. Honi soit qui mal y pense.
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brennant Mon, Jun 28, 2010 9:01:24pm |
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Boogberg Mon, Jun 28, 2010 9:02:22pm |
re: #187 Charles
I'm just going to point out again the incredible, insane danger of assuming that Iran isn't serious about acquiring nuclear weapons, despite every indicator that they ARE very serious, and working hard toward that goal.
If your policy recommendations are accepted, and you're wrong, there will be hell to pay. Literally.
I hope you're prepared to accept some seriously bloody consequences should it come to force. It might be better just to give them the fucking weapons so they feel secure.
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Daniel Ballard Mon, Jun 28, 2010 9:02:38pm |
Look, one of the few things more dangerous than AGW is nuclear warfare. "Nuclear Non Proliferation" is literally a civilization level life or death decision point. It's in the Drake equation! It has to be treated as the life and death priority that it is.
Only the United States has a program that looks good enough to move beyond nuclear weapons as our strategic deterrent. See Rapid Global Strike.
Only the US and perhaps a two other nations really have any anti missile capacity. The US, Russia and Israel. The only nations able to swat a nuke from the sky. Be able to deter. Be able to stop them mid flight. Be able to respond without one. There we have the livable future.
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brookly red Mon, Jun 28, 2010 9:03:00pm |
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Charles Johnson Mon, Jun 28, 2010 9:03:33pm |
re: #203 Boogberg
It might be better just to give them the fucking weapons so they feel secure.
You cannot be serious.
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justaminute Mon, Jun 28, 2010 9:03:57pm |
re: #192 Firstinla
I think if Iran gets the bomb the leadership will use it to take out Israel. Like suicide bombers, they know they will die as a result of their action but its all about suffering martyrdom to rid the world of infidels. As we work to prevent individual suicide bombers, so too must we prevent Iran from every strapping on the bomb.
The Head mullah in Iran has packed away billions off the oil. The Revolutionary Guard has done the same thing. There is talk they have built bomb shelters for themselves so if Israel of the US bombs them, they will be safe. The Iranian people know they will just be fodder for the bombs. They say then the gov will just come from their shelter and show the world they do not have bombs, and let the US and Israel look like war mongers.
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Mich-again Mon, Jun 28, 2010 9:04:03pm |
re: #187 Charles
Absolutely agree they are seriously pursuing a bomb. Now I doubt they would use it on an enemy target in an overt manner where it would be traced to them and bring massive retaliation. Thats not their style. I think its more likely they would try some scheme to make it appear some rogue terrorist group hooked up with the Russian mob or the Norcs. Thats how the Mullahs roll. Waging war by proxy while trying to look like they aren't involved. Clever cowards.
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Dancing along the light of day Mon, Jun 28, 2010 9:04:12pm |
re: #203 Boogberg
How do you get to that, logically?
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jun 28, 2010 9:04:41pm |
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Bagua Mon, Jun 28, 2010 9:04:46pm |
re: #203 Boogberg
I hope you're prepared to accept some seriously bloody consequences should it come to force. It might be better just to give them the fucking weapons so they feel secure.
Are you high or drunk?
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brookly red Mon, Jun 28, 2010 9:04:53pm |
re: #204 Rightwingconspirator
Look, one of the few things more dangerous than AGW is nuclear warfare. "Nuclear Non Proliferation" is literally a civilization level life or death decision point. It's in the Drake equation! It has to be treated as the life and death priority that it is.
Only the United States has a program that looks good enough to move beyond nuclear weapons as our strategic deterrent. See Rapid Global Strike.
Only the US and perhaps a two other nations really have any anti missile capacity. The US, Russia and Israel. The only nations able to swat a nuke from the sky. Be able to deter. Be able to stop them mid flight. Be able to respond without one. There we have the livable future.
all true but what if the nuke comes in a truck?
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jun 28, 2010 9:05:21pm |
re: #199 Charles
The deluge of craziness I'm getting in my email Inbox from the Republican Party about Elena Kagan is just mind-boggling, by the way.
The GOP has completely lost it.
Let me guess. She plays softball and eats kittens?
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jun 28, 2010 9:06:12pm |
re: #200 Cato the Elder
Note:
The four-stringed upright bowed instrument is a cousin of the violin, viola, viola da gamba, cello, and contrabass.
The four-stringed plucked instrument is a cousin of the banjo.
The round drum is a cousin of the Irish bodhran.
All of them are very, very ancient. Probably some of them are the same instruments that King David wrote for, sung along with, and listened to.
Music is indeed the universal language. Honi soit qui mal y pense.
It has a sort of bluegrass sound to me, with the very bright, sharp, string notes.
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Dancing along the light of day Mon, Jun 28, 2010 9:06:13pm |
re: #213 SanFranciscoZionist
Let me guess. She plays softball and eats kittens?
Eats the kitties raw, while still screaming, even!
///
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Mich-again Mon, Jun 28, 2010 9:06:28pm |
re: #192 Firstinla
I think if Iran gets the bomb the leadership will use it to take out Israel. Like suicide bombers, they know they will die as a result of their action but its all about suffering martyrdom to rid the world of infidels. As we work to prevent individual suicide bombers, so too must we prevent Iran from every strapping on the bomb.
Disagreed. The Mullahs are more kleptocrats than theocrats. They live high on the hog, having divied up the State Economy into their own fiefdoms. They aren't about to give that all up in a real war. They just want to pay for isome Arab stooges to do their dirt work and have a front row seat to watch.
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Cato the Elder Mon, Jun 28, 2010 9:06:33pm |
re: #213 SanFranciscoZionist
Let me guess. She plays softball and eats kittens?
She eats softballs and plays kittens.
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Daniel Ballard Mon, Jun 28, 2010 9:06:37pm |
re: #203 Boogberg
I hope you're prepared to accept some seriously bloody consequences should it come to force. It might be better just to give them the fucking weapons so they feel secure.
May as well give grenades to gorillas at the zoo.
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Gus Mon, Jun 28, 2010 9:07:02pm |
re: #217 Cato the Elder
She eats softballs and plays kittens.
Thanks Cato. I was about to post that but chickened out. ;)
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What, me worry? Mon, Jun 28, 2010 9:07:10pm |
re: #192 Firstinla
I think if Iran gets the bomb the leadership will use it to take out Israel. Like suicide bombers, they know they will die as a result of their action but its all about suffering martyrdom to rid the world of infidels. As we work to prevent individual suicide bombers, so too must we prevent Iran from every strapping on the bomb.
That's why I think the puppet nations are what he's focusing on, where Israel is concerned anyway. That way he stays clean and alive. He's far too narcissistic to put himself in a position where the U.S. will take him out.
I did say that I thought he was acquiring, but that bluffing shouldn't be off the table either. Meanwhile the world has no choice to act as if he were completely serious. I'm sorry if I didn't make that clear. I'm just against attacking Iran pre-emptively.
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Charles Johnson Mon, Jun 28, 2010 9:07:15pm |
re: #208 Mich-again
Absolutely agree they are seriously pursuing a bomb. Now I doubt they would use it on an enemy target in an overt manner where it would be traced to them and bring massive retaliation. Thats not their style. I think its more likely they would try some scheme to make it appear some rogue terrorist group hooked up with the Russian mob or the Norcs. Thats how the Mullahs roll. Waging war by proxy while trying to look like they aren't involved. Clever cowards.
Maybe so, but again -- Iran doesn't have to actually use nukes. The mere fact of having them will change everything in the Middle East, and not for the better. A nuclear arms race in the Middle East, fueled by oil mega-money, is the worst case scenario.
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Varek Raith Mon, Jun 28, 2010 9:07:19pm |
re: #218 Rightwingconspirator
May as well give grenades to gorillas at the zoo.
That would be awesome!
///
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Bagua Mon, Jun 28, 2010 9:07:38pm |
re: #218 Rightwingconspirator
May as well give grenades to gorillas at the zoo.
What could possibly go wrong?
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jun 28, 2010 9:08:22pm |
re: #199 Charles
The deluge of craziness I'm getting in my email Inbox from the Republican Party about Elena Kagan is just mind-boggling, by the way.
The GOP has completely lost it.
If you want crazy, check out Bunk X over at the Stalker Blog. He's trying to explain away RS McCain "Porch Monkey" line. Here's the critical portion:
When I was growing up in semi-rural southern Ohio in the late ’60s and early ’70s, I remember it being used to describe poor kids having to play on the front porch during rainstorms, but a porch monkey was basically anyone passing the time away on a porch. It applied equally to whites as well as blacks, and is only mildly derogatory if at all — some folks even called themselves “porch monkeys” with pride.
So just to confirm my memory of the definition of the term, I searched for images on teh google. There are many more images of white porch monkeys than black. It’s not a racist term at all, just a funny combination of words, regardless of some racists’ attempts to redefine the phrase.
Trying to justify RS McCain is both nasty and foolish.
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zora Mon, Jun 28, 2010 9:09:25pm |
re: #203 Boogberg
I hope you're prepared to accept some seriously bloody consequences should it come to force. It might be better just to give them the fucking weapons so they feel secure.
i suggest crayons and art therapy if you are concerned about ahmadinejad's security.
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Boogberg Mon, Jun 28, 2010 9:09:27pm |
re: #206 Charles
You cannot be serious.
By most accounts, they're gonna get 'em anyway. Why not have at least some control over it?
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Jun 28, 2010 9:09:44pm |
re: #186 marjoriemoon
But you said that after 9/11 we rightly attacked Osama, when we attacked Sadaam Hussein. Osama wasn't there.
IIRC, after 9/11 we went into Afghanistan looking for Osama, then later into Iraq for reasons listed here which had little to do with looking for Osama.
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Vicious Babushka Mon, Jun 28, 2010 9:10:28pm |
re: #224 Dark_Falcon
Trying to justify RS McCain is both nasty and foolish.
Folks in the old days that didn't have TV's were "porch potatoes"
/
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brookly red Mon, Jun 28, 2010 9:10:34pm |
re: #223 Bagua
What could possibly go wrong?
the chimps will buy them and alter the the balance of power in the whole primate wing?
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Achilles Tang Mon, Jun 28, 2010 9:10:51pm |
re: #203 Boogberg
I hope you're prepared to accept some seriously bloody consequences should it come to force. It might be better just to give them the fucking weapons so they feel secure.
They don't need to feel any more secure; they have Allah on their side; and if that fable fails there is always China and Russia (AKA USSR).
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Racer X Mon, Jun 28, 2010 9:11:09pm |
re: #221 Charles
Maybe so, but again -- Iran doesn't have to actually use nukes. The mere fact of having them will change everything in the Middle East, and not for the better. A nuclear arms race in the Middle East, fueled by oil mega-money, is the worst case scenario.
"That is nothing Mahmoud, I have a nuke that can kill 100,000 Jews!"
"Oh yeah, well check out our latest model. It can annihilate over 250,000 Jews at a time!"
This will NOT be fun to watch.
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Charles Johnson Mon, Jun 28, 2010 9:11:16pm |
Dave Weigel posted an entry at Breitbart's BigJournalism blog today.
And tonight he's being viciously attacked by the other Breitbart writers.
What's wrong with that boy? He couldn't see that coming?
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Cato the Elder Mon, Jun 28, 2010 9:11:38pm |
re: #214 SanFranciscoZionist
It has a sort of bluegrass sound to me, with the very bright, sharp, string notes.
Yep.
And the cutoffs - like, six people on stage, dude, and they all just STOP for three beats and pick up again for effect.
Very like bluegrass. Except bluegrass has largely forgotten that technique.
Surprise! We're still playing!
Did you know that so-called hillbilly English is closer in many ways to what Shakespeare wrote and thought and taught than that guy's shitty diction you hear on Wall Street.
One of the reasons I'm so free with the language.
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Vicious Babushka Mon, Jun 28, 2010 9:12:15pm |
re: #226 Boogberg
By most accounts, they're gonna get 'em anyway. Why not have at least some control over it?
Lift the Gaza blockade! Let them bring in whatever they want, by air, land and sea! They already get weapons through the tunnels.
/not making this up, a columnist at JPost actually said this.
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What, me worry? Mon, Jun 28, 2010 9:12:32pm |
re: #196 justaminute
That's what the people think. They thought the US only attacked Iraq for their oil. They thought the US installed a puppet government in Iraq, and are going to do in Afghanistan and will do so in Iran.
The U.S. is not an evil entity. I'm not going to say we're 100% virtuous, but our country is based on a set of law which gives each man, women and child a great deal of freedom and personal choices that they did not have in Iraq, Afghanistan and now in Iran. That's all I'm going to say about our "puppet governments".
We can't leave Iraq or Afghanistan, nor do I think we should, and Iran's insane leader is one of the reasons.
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BARACK THE VOTE Mon, Jun 28, 2010 9:13:17pm |
re: #232 Charles
Dave Weigel posted an entry at Breitbart's BigJournalism blog today.
And tonight he's being viciously attacked by the other Breitbart writers.
What's wrong with that boy?
I've been asking myself that all day. I was going to do a page called Weigel, WTF? and tweet it to him.
Probably still will but im caught up in packing now.
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Bagua Mon, Jun 28, 2010 9:13:29pm |
re: #226 Boogberg
By most accounts, they're gonna get 'em anyway. Why not have at least some control over it?
The only way to "control" Iranian nuclear weapons is to deprive the Iranians of nuclear weapons. This is most certainly within the ability of the USA. It is simply unacceptable for the Mullah regime to aquire nuclear weapons.
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Gus Mon, Jun 28, 2010 9:13:44pm |
re: #224 Dark_Falcon
Apologizing for Slobodan Milošević must not be on their menu for the week.
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Varek Raith Mon, Jun 28, 2010 9:13:52pm |
re: #237 Bagua
The only way to "control" Iranian nuclear weapons is to deprive the Iranians of nuclear weapons. This is most certainly within the ability of the USA. It is simply unacceptable for the Mullah regime to aquire nuclear weapons.
Project Thor.
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Dancing along the light of day Mon, Jun 28, 2010 9:14:10pm |
re: #236 iceweasel
Yeah! Packing means you're moving! Progress, I hope?
*smooch*
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SpaceJesus Mon, Jun 28, 2010 9:14:10pm |
re: #123 Charles
went over to stalker blog expecting to see them bragging about this, instead found them all defending mccain and saying "porch monkey" isn't a racist term
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justaminute Mon, Jun 28, 2010 9:14:22pm |
Most Iranians want Nuclear Power for electricity. My husband has been there the past 2 weeks. The temps have averaged over 100f every day, the electricity has gone off everyday at 12:30 pm and stayed off till 6 PM. It's been that way along time.
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Daniel Ballard Mon, Jun 28, 2010 9:14:24pm |
re: #212 brookly red
all true but what if the nuke comes in a truck?
That's another nightmare. But at least rapid global strike provides a less than nuclear strike option to future Presidents. I mean really, if I had that job, I would want to be able to hit really hard in response to a vaporized harbor, without spinning up an army or nuking anyone. I would want to be able to do that quickly.
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Achilles Tang Mon, Jun 28, 2010 9:16:03pm |
re: #208 Mich-again
Absolutely agree they are seriously pursuing a bomb. Now I doubt they would use it on an enemy target in an overt manner where it would be traced to them and bring massive retaliation.
Even if it were traced, and there are ways to do that, who is going to apply the massive retaliation and bring about another, even worse, recession/depression than would be cause by the attack?
Jeb anyone?/
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Nimed Mon, Jun 28, 2010 9:16:05pm |
There are few more frustrating political topics than discussing what to do about Iran.
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Boogberg Mon, Jun 28, 2010 9:16:17pm |
re: #234 Alouette
Lift the Gaza blockade! Let them bring in whatever they want, by air, land and sea! They already get weapons through the tunnels.
/not making this up, a columnist at JPost actually said this.
That's different though. The Iranians already have what they need.
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Gus Mon, Jun 28, 2010 9:16:27pm |
re: #241 SpaceJesus
went over to stalker blog expecting to see them bragging about this, instead found them all defending mccain and saying "porch monkey" isn't a racist term
In another world and another planet. I think we would be hard pressed to find people like this on our regular rounds.
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What, me worry? Mon, Jun 28, 2010 9:16:34pm |
re: #237 Bagua
The only way to "control" Iranian nuclear weapons is to deprive the Iranians of nuclear weapons. This is most certainly within the ability of the USA. It is simply unacceptable for the Mullah regime to aquire nuclear weapons.
As if it needed to be said, but thanks for saying it.
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Stanghazi Mon, Jun 28, 2010 9:16:52pm |
re: #232 Charles
Dave Weigel posted an entry at Breitbart's BigJournalism blog today.
And tonight he's being viciously attacked by the other Breitbart writers.
What's wrong with that boy?
I saw his tweet earlier in the day. What's he trying to do? Re-up his conservative cred? Big Govt.? Why Dave?
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Mich-again Mon, Jun 28, 2010 9:17:50pm |
re: #221 Charles
Maybe so, but again -- Iran doesn't have to actually use nukes. The mere fact of having them will change everything in the Middle East, and not for the better. A nuclear arms race in the Middle East, fueled by oil mega-money, is the worst case scenario.
True if they had a bomb and everyone knew they had a bomb it would change everything in the ME. But once the world knows they have it, then Iran would be the first one to suspect and retaliate against if some terrorist group somehow ended up acquiring a bomb and using it. They're in a better bargaining position if the world is unsure if they have it or not. Once its common knowledge they have it, the games are over. They don't want that. Thats just my take.
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What, me worry? Mon, Jun 28, 2010 9:17:53pm |
re: #227 Slumbering Behemoth
IIRC, after 9/11 we went into Afghanistan looking for Osama, then later into Iraq for reasons listed here which had little to do with looking for Osama.
We went into Afghanistan earlier than 2001. It started in 1998 because my husband was just getting out of the army and was afraid he'd be called back.
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Charles Johnson Mon, Jun 28, 2010 9:18:01pm |
re: #242 justaminute
Most Iranians want Nuclear Power for electricity. My husband has been there the past 2 weeks. The temps have averaged over 100f every day, the electricity has gone off everyday at 12:30 pm and stayed off till 6 PM. It's been that way along time.
I agree. And I know there are lots of Iranians who don't agree with Ahmadinejad's nuclear aspirations. But I also know that if Iran continues on its present course, there are going to be serious consequences, sooner or later.
I don't want this to end up in a war. But a nuclear-armed Iran is simply not an acceptable option for the world.
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Bagua Mon, Jun 28, 2010 9:18:19pm |
re: #242 justaminute
Most Iranians want Nuclear Power for electricity. My husband has been there the past 2 weeks. The temps have averaged over 100f every day, the electricity has gone off everyday at 12:30 pm and stayed off till 6 PM. It's been that way along time.
That is utter nonsence. Iran has some of the worlds largest oil and natural gas reserves. It is far more expensive for them to use nuclear plants for electical generation.
Also, what "most Iranians" want is irrelevent. The power is in the hands of the regime, not the people.
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Cato the Elder Mon, Jun 28, 2010 9:18:27pm |
re: #221 Charles
Maybe so, but again -- Iran doesn't have to actually use nukes. The mere fact of having them will change everything in the Middle East, and not for the better. A nuclear arms race in the Middle East, fueled by oil mega-money, is the worst case scenario.
And My Moonbat Brother (MMB™) told me over six years back that a nuclear Iran would "balance Israel".
Here you have the fundamental disconnect in the leftist view of the Middle East.
Moonbats like my brother believe, despite all factual historical evidence to the contrary, that Israel is the "hegemonic power" in the region. Of course, supported by the AIPAC-infested US.
And nothing I can ever say to my brother will convince him he's wrong. Except, perhaps, if I will the lottery and take him on a tour.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Jun 28, 2010 9:19:03pm |
re: #242 justaminute
I'd also wager that most Iranians would rather not be shot at in the streets by Hamas mercenaries hired by their gov't. I get the impression that those running the gov't over there don't give one flying fuck about what most Iranians want.
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goddamnedfrank Mon, Jun 28, 2010 9:19:04pm |
re: #249 Stanley Sea
I saw his tweet earlier in the day. What's he trying to do? Re-up his conservative cred? Big Govt.? Why Dave?
Stockholm syndrome ... cf Alan Colmes.
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Stanghazi Mon, Jun 28, 2010 9:19:32pm |
re: #253 Bagua
That is utter nonsence. Iran has some of the worlds largest oil and natural gas reserves. It is far more expensive for them to use nuclear plants for electical generation.
Also, what "most Iranians" want is irrelevent. The power is in the hands of the regime, not the people.
Why call a first hand account nonsense? I really appreciate hearing it. Do not just shoot it down because it doesn't agree with your view.
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Bagua Mon, Jun 28, 2010 9:19:33pm |
re: #245 Nimed
There are few more frustrating political topics than discussing what to do about Iran.
Better to bury one's head in the sand?
This is a major issue and wont go away from wishful thinking.
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What, me worry? Mon, Jun 28, 2010 9:19:34pm |
re: #242 justaminute
Most Iranians want Nuclear Power for electricity. My husband has been there the past 2 weeks. The temps have averaged over 100f every day, the electricity has gone off everyday at 12:30 pm and stayed off till 6 PM. It's been that way along time.
I'm getting a sense, I may be wrong, that you think that's the fault of the U.S.? Or Iran's troubles are our fault in some way?
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Achilles Tang Mon, Jun 28, 2010 9:19:52pm |
re: #242 justaminute
Most Iranians want Nuclear Power for electricity. My husband has been there the past 2 weeks. The temps have averaged over 100f every day, the electricity has gone off everyday at 12:30 pm and stayed off till 6 PM. It's been that way along time.
What is your husband doing in the second largest oil producer on the planet that can't find fuel to run or buy generators for electricity?
Just curious.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Jun 28, 2010 9:19:53pm |
re: #254 Cato the Elder
If by "balance" you mean "bring the region to its knees in total chaos and terror," why, I agree with him.
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BARACK THE VOTE Mon, Jun 28, 2010 9:20:13pm |
re: #240 Floral Giraffe
Yeah! Packing means you're moving! Progress, I hope?
*smooch*
Hi sweetheart!
No, still waiting on my visa but I'm shipping loads of stuff to Scotland (ugh!) and giving up my lease and taking a sublet. So i'm co-ordinating both a permanent international move and a temporary (crosses fingers) domestic move simultaneously.
Plus, in terms of pages, i have to (or someone has to) do a page on Jeff Sessions, and i have something else I want to write about the ongoing purges of 'unamericans' (like hawaiians) by the GOP. Bastards. Weigel has to wait. :)
how are you? miss you!
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brookly red Mon, Jun 28, 2010 9:20:57pm |
re: #258 Bagua
Better to bury one's head in the sand?
This is a major issue and wont go away from wishful thinking.
in the end it will be Iran that forces the issue...
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Cato the Elder Mon, Jun 28, 2010 9:21:26pm |
re: #240 Floral Giraffe
Yeah! Packing means you're moving! Progress, I hope?
*smooch*
Packing could also mean she and Jimmah have just been licensed for concealed carry.
Beware.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jun 28, 2010 9:21:58pm |
re: #253 Bagua
That is utter nonsence. Iran has some of the worlds largest oil and natural gas reserves. It is far more expensive for them to use nuclear plants for electical generation.
Also, what "most Iranians" want is irrelevent. The power is in the hands of the regime, not the people.
Yeah, but for AGW reasons we should encourage them to obtain reactors that cannot make weapons grade material.
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What, me worry? Mon, Jun 28, 2010 9:22:06pm |
I have to get up early in the morning, dang it... I'll catch up with you lizards later.
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Bagua Mon, Jun 28, 2010 9:22:07pm |
re: #257 Stanley Sea
Why call a first hand account nonsense? I really appreciate hearing it. Do not just shoot it down because it doesn't agree with your view.
Nonsense is often a "first hand account." Just because you are naive on the subject of Iran does not mean that I am.
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Achilles Tang Mon, Jun 28, 2010 9:22:20pm |
re: #254 Cato the Elder
And My Moonbat Brother (MMB™) told me over six years back that a nuclear Iran would "balance Israel".
What does your brother say when you ask if he seriously thinks that Israel contemplates invading Iran, and that a balance is therefore needed?
You did ask, didn't you?
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SpaceJesus Mon, Jun 28, 2010 9:22:41pm |
re: #242 justaminute
Most Iranians want Nuclear Power for electricity. My husband has been there the past 2 weeks. The temps have averaged over 100f every day, the electricity has gone off everyday at 12:30 pm and stayed off till 6 PM. It's been that way along time.
not down dinging this for anything personal, just makes me sad that that iranians lap up government propaganda like this.
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freetoken Mon, Jun 28, 2010 9:23:12pm |
re: #199 Charles
The deluge of craziness I'm getting in my email Inbox from the Republican Party about Elena Kagan is just mind-boggling, by the way.
That they turned today's session on Kagan into one long diatribe against Marshall is very telling.
Beside's Ice's Page entry, Dana Millbanks wrote a column on that tonight:
Kagan may get confirmed, but Thurgood Marshall can forget it
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Cato the Elder Mon, Jun 28, 2010 9:23:15pm |
re: #261 EmmmieG
If by "balance" you mean "bring the region to its knees in total chaos and terror," why, I agree with him.
Moonbats are kneejerkers just like wingnuts. They just have different blinders on.
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brookly red Mon, Jun 28, 2010 9:23:26pm |
re: #264 Cato the Elder
Packing could also mean she and Jimmah have just been licensed for concealed carry.
Beware.
well how about those supremes? surprised it has not come up...
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Bagua Mon, Jun 28, 2010 9:24:03pm |
re: #260 Naso Tang
What is your husband doing in the second largest oil producer on the planet that can't find fuel to run or buy generators for electricity?
Just curious.
And the worlds second largest natural gas reserves.
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Cato the Elder Mon, Jun 28, 2010 9:24:16pm |
re: #268 Naso Tang
What does your brother say when you ask if he seriously thinks that Israel contemplates invading Iran, and that a balance is therefore needed?
You did ask, didn't you?
Of course.
And at that point in the discussion, he just threatens to cut off the beer tap.
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justaminute Mon, Jun 28, 2010 9:24:25pm |
re: #252 Charles
I agree. And I know there are lots of Iranians who don't agree with Ahmadinejad's nuclear aspirations. But I also know that if Iran continues on its present course, there are going to be serious consequences, sooner or later.
I don't want this to end up in a war. But a nuclear-armed Iran is simply not an acceptable option for the world.
I believe the higher ups in the military have war gamed an attack on Iran and it is not a pretty picture. We have forces in Iraq and Afghanistan, what do you think will happen? That will bring out the nationalistic fever in the Iranians and I personally don't believe we are ready for that.
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BARACK THE VOTE Mon, Jun 28, 2010 9:24:31pm |
re: #249 Stanley Sea
I saw his tweet earlier in the day. What's he trying to do? Re-up his conservative cred? Big Govt.? Why Dave?
I have a theory. Do we know who leaked his Journolist posts, though? (I haven't been able to stay up to date.)
Have a theory about that too. (the leak)
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jun 28, 2010 9:24:33pm |
re: #233 Cato the Elder
Yep.
And the cutoffs - like, six people on stage, dude, and they all just STOP for three beats and pick up again for effect.
Very like bluegrass. Except bluegrass has largely forgotten that technique.
Surprise! We're still playing!
Did you know that so-called hillbilly English is closer in many ways to what Shakespeare wrote and thought and taught than that guy's shitty diction you hear on Wall Street.
One of the reasons I'm so free with the language.
Of course! One of the best productions I've ever seen of Twelfth Night was done in Tennessee accents. It makes the language far easier to understand as it's spoken than the BBC accent favored for such things.
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freetoken Mon, Jun 28, 2010 9:24:50pm |
re: #265 Dark_Falcon
Yeah, but for AGW reasons we should encourage them to obtain reactors that cannot make weapons grade material.
We really ought to fund the development of Thorium based reactors. It's really the only alternative for many nations if we want electricity without Plutonium.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Jun 28, 2010 9:25:23pm |
re: #274 Cato the Elder
Of course.
And at that point in the discussion, he just threatens to cut off the beer tap.
Is that before or after he calls you a Nazi Imperialist?
/
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Gus Mon, Jun 28, 2010 9:25:28pm |
re: #270 freetoken
That they turned today's session on Kagan into one long diatribe against Marshall is very telling.
Beside's Ice's Page entry, Dana Millbanks wrote a column on that tonight:
Kagan may get confirmed, but Thurgood Marshall can forget it
Sen. Jon Kyl played the culture war card:
“Not only is Ms. Kagan’s background unusual for a Supreme Court nominee, it is not clear how it demonstrates that she has, in the President’s words, ‘a keen understanding of how the law affects the daily lives of the American people.’ One recent article noted that ‘[Ms.] Kagan’s experience draws from a world whose signposts are distant from most Americans: Manhattan’s upper West side, Princeton University, Harvard Law School and the upper reaches of the Democratic legal establishment.’"
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Stanghazi Mon, Jun 28, 2010 9:25:33pm |
re: #276 iceweasel
I have a theory. Do we know who leaked his Journolist posts, though? (I haven't been able to stay up to date.)
Have a theory about that too. (the leak)
I've been looking. Only name I saw tossed around was Jane H. But it wasn't confirmed she was on journolist. Oh I'm curious though.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Jun 28, 2010 9:25:35pm |
re: #278 freetoken
We really ought to fund the development of Thorium based reactors. It's really the only alternative for many nations if we want electricity without Plutonium.
Thorium! You mean a Norse God is going to give us all the power we need? Odin be praised...
Wait...I'm off again, aren't I?
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Varek Raith Mon, Jun 28, 2010 9:26:08pm |
re: #282 EmmmieG
Thorium! You mean a Norse God is going to give us all the power we need? Odin be praised...
Wait...I'm off again, aren't I?
Just a tad...
:)
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jun 28, 2010 9:26:22pm |
re: #241 SpaceJesus
went over to stalker blog expecting to see them bragging about this, instead found them all defending mccain and saying "porch monkey" isn't a racist term
A lizard mentions that people come in different colors. So racist, the stalkers can hardly stand it.
RS McCain says 'porch monkey'. That doesn't mean anything!
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brookly red Mon, Jun 28, 2010 9:26:37pm |
re: #275 justaminute
I believe the higher ups in the military have war gamed an attack on Iran and it is not a pretty picture. We have forces in Iraq and Afghanistan, what do you think will happen? That will bring out the nationalistic fever in the Iranians and I personally don't believe we are ready for that.
well that is what they said about Iraq & Afghanistan...
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jun 28, 2010 9:26:52pm |
re: #245 Nimed
There are few more frustrating political topics than discussing what to do about Iran.
You've noticed this too?
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Jun 28, 2010 9:26:54pm |
re: #251 marjoriemoon
We went into Afghanistan earlier than 2001. It started in 1998 because my husband was just getting out of the army and was afraid he'd be called back.
Cool. I'm just sayin' we didn't go into Iraq looking for Osama.
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Bagua Mon, Jun 28, 2010 9:27:11pm |
re: #265 Dark_Falcon
Yeah, but for AGW reasons we should encourage them to obtain reactors that cannot make weapons grade material.
Nope. They wont save any CO2 and the danger of a nuclear weapon is too great.
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Achilles Tang Mon, Jun 28, 2010 9:27:34pm |
re: #278 freetoken
We really ought to fund the development of Thorium based reactors. It's really the only alternative for many nations if we want electricity without Plutonium.
I saw this movie once; they said it was called Unobtanium.
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Cato the Elder Mon, Jun 28, 2010 9:28:02pm |
re: #279 Slumbering Behemoth
Is that before or after he calls you a Nazi Imperialist?
/
Schweetheart, it's not like he has to call me that. There's a certain look you get, ya know?
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Varek Raith Mon, Jun 28, 2010 9:28:03pm |
re: #289 Naso Tang
I saw this movie once; they said it was called Unobtanium.
That's Cold Fusion!
:P
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BARACK THE VOTE Mon, Jun 28, 2010 9:28:16pm |
re: #241 SpaceJesus
went over to stalker blog expecting to see them bragging about this, instead found them all defending mccain and saying "porch monkey" isn't a racist term
Have you called into their 'radio show' yet? I'll worship you always if you do. Not that I don't anyway, but they need a smiting. :)
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SpaceJesus Mon, Jun 28, 2010 9:28:27pm |
re: #284 SanFranciscoZionist
A lizard mentions that people come in different colors. So racist, the stalkers can hardly stand it.
RS McCain says 'porch monkey'. That doesn't mean anything!
they're saying 'porchmanque' just means broken porch, so it's all good.
...there are some pretty defective people out there.
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justaminute Mon, Jun 28, 2010 9:28:30pm |
re: #259 marjoriemoon
I'm getting a sense, I may be wrong, that you think that's the fault of the U.S.? Or Iran's troubles are our fault in some way?
I go there but my loyalty is to the US. My son is an Officer in the Navy but you don't want to hear what the average Iranian thinks? Those are not my thoughts but go to Iranians.com and take a look around and read what Iranians from around the world are saying.
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Charles Johnson Mon, Jun 28, 2010 9:28:36pm |
re: #275 justaminute
I believe the higher ups in the military have war gamed an attack on Iran and it is not a pretty picture. We have forces in Iraq and Afghanistan, what do you think will happen? That will bring out the nationalistic fever in the Iranians and I personally don't believe we are ready for that.
Nobody wants that to happen.
But again, if Iran continues on its present course, there will be serious consequences, whether we're ready or not.
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webevintage Mon, Jun 28, 2010 9:28:36pm |
re: #270 freetoken
That they turned today's session on Kagan into one long diatribe against Marshall is very telling.
Beside's Ice's Page entry, Dana Millbanks wrote a column on that tonight:
Kagan may get confirmed, but Thurgood Marshall can forget it
WTH?
Going after a dead guy?
Way to stay classy Republicans...
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Daniel Ballard Mon, Jun 28, 2010 9:28:48pm |
re: #264 Cato the Elder
When Ice and Jimmah pack heat, I for one will sleep better.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Jun 28, 2010 9:29:23pm |
re: #245 Nimed
There are few more frustrating political topics than discussing what to do about Iran.
BLOW THEM UP BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT TRUCK DRIVING JESUS WOULD DO
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Nimed Mon, Jun 28, 2010 9:29:30pm |
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Gus Mon, Jun 28, 2010 9:30:02pm |
re: #280 Gus 802
Here's a footnote for that bumpkin Jon Kyl:
The Upper West Side is a significant Jewish neighborhood, populated with both German Jews who moved in at the turn of the century, and Jewish refugees escaping Hitler's Europe in the 1930s. Today the area between 85th Street and 100th Street is home to the largest community of young Modern Orthodox singles outside of Israel.[citation needed] However, the Upper West Side also features a substantial number of non-Orthodox Jews.
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Achilles Tang Mon, Jun 28, 2010 9:30:04pm |
re: #291 Varek Raith
That's Cold Fusion!
:P
No, you are thinking of an X rated movie. Not what I saw..
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freetoken Mon, Jun 28, 2010 9:30:09pm |
re: #296 webevintage
Going after a dead guy?
Not just any dead guy, but an icon to very many and a champion of civil rights.
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webevintage Mon, Jun 28, 2010 9:30:31pm |
re: #241 SpaceJesus
went over to stalker blog expecting to see them bragging about this, instead found them all defending mccain and saying "porch monkey" isn't a racist term
I can't remember a time when "porch monkey" has ever not been a racist term.
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Bagua Mon, Jun 28, 2010 9:30:41pm |
re: #299 Nimed
Yes, Bagua. That is exactly my point.
Then do not discussing the topic, that way you are safe.
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zora Mon, Jun 28, 2010 9:30:48pm |
re: #284 SanFranciscoZionist
that fact that he disguised the moniker is a smirk in itself. he is so very clever./ why not just write "porch monkey" and own it.
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SpaceJesus Mon, Jun 28, 2010 9:30:52pm |
re: #292 iceweasel
Have you called into their 'radio show' yet? I'll worship you always if you do. Not that I don't anyway, but they need a smiting. :)
one time yeah. they were gonna have that 'gather your armies' tea party guy on their little show, so i called in. the tea party guy canceled, so i talked to one of them then left.
it's hard to hear what they're saying with all the cheeto munching and furious noise of them constantly jamming the F5 button over here at lgf hoping for registration to open.
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Achilles Tang Mon, Jun 28, 2010 9:31:28pm |
re: #297 Rightwingconspirator
When Ice and Jimmah pack heat, I for one will sleep better.
This is a public forum, and Scotland is not Dallas. Sssh.
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Charles Johnson Mon, Jun 28, 2010 9:32:12pm |
re: #270 freetoken
That they turned today's session on Kagan into one long diatribe against Marshall is very telling.
Beside's Ice's Page entry, Dana Millbanks wrote a column on that tonight:
Kagan may get confirmed, but Thurgood Marshall can forget it
Yes, that's what the Republican Party is all about these days.
The GOP in Texas pushed hard to get Thurgood Marshall removed from social studies textbooks, and today we saw the GOP actually smearing Marshall in Kagan's nomination hearing.
It's appalling. One of our political parties has gone completely insane, and that's very bad for the country.
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Varek Raith Mon, Jun 28, 2010 9:32:22pm |
re: #297 Rightwingconspirator
When Ice and Jimmah pack heat, I for one will sleep better.
Claymores under the pillows?
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Nimed Mon, Jun 28, 2010 9:32:44pm |
re: #286 SanFranciscoZionist
You've noticed this too?
:)
Every option is pretty awful. It's really agonizing.
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SpaceJesus Mon, Jun 28, 2010 9:32:49pm |
re: #303 webevintage
I can't remember a time when "porch monkey" has ever not been a racist term.
i bet they can't remember the last time they left their mothers' trailerpark in alabama either.
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Daniel Ballard Mon, Jun 28, 2010 9:32:59pm |
re: #295 Charles
Nobody wants that to happen.
But again, if Iran continues on its present course, there will be serious consequences, whether we're ready or not.
Good point. So why was NK able to test warheads once or twice without direct umm, kinetic consequence? I see a real comparison between the threat Israel and South Korea face. I see a very direct parallel. With all due respect to Israel, South Korea is in at least as much jeopardy.
Serious consequences will be the war.
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Charles Johnson Mon, Jun 28, 2010 9:33:05pm |
re: #241 SpaceJesus
went over to stalker blog expecting to see them bragging about this, instead found them all defending mccain and saying "porch monkey" isn't a racist term
They know it's a racist term. They just lie about it, and pretend it isn't. It's what they do.
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BARACK THE VOTE Mon, Jun 28, 2010 9:33:57pm |
re: #296 webevintage
WTH?
Going after a dead guy?
Way to stay classy Republicans...
Activist judge! He was a lawyer for the NAACP and helped dismantle Jim Crow! If not for Thurgood, no Obama.
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Nimed Mon, Jun 28, 2010 9:34:02pm |
re: #304 Bagua
Then do not discussing the topic, that way you are safe.
I guess you're the reason even the most obvious comments need a sarc tag.
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goddamnedfrank Mon, Jun 28, 2010 9:34:04pm |
re: #253 Bagua
That is utter nonsence. Iran has some of the worlds largest oil and natural gas reserves. It is far more expensive for them to use nuclear plants for electical generation.
Also, what "most Iranians" want is irrelevent. The power is in the hands of the regime, not the people.
You're wrong. Iran has precious little refinery capacity, oil is priced globally, and as a result they are forced to import and ration gasoline & other fuels. Nuclear power is currently the cheapest option per kilowatt hour for pretty much everyone who doesn't have vast geothermal reserves (read: Iceland.)
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Gus Mon, Jun 28, 2010 9:34:20pm |
The subtext of the hatred for Thurgood Marshall can be found here.
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Achilles Tang Mon, Jun 28, 2010 9:34:59pm |
re: #303 webevintage
I can't remember a time when "porch monkey" has ever not been a racist term.
I never heard it before here, but I can't imagine when it never would be.
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freetoken Mon, Jun 28, 2010 9:35:02pm |
re: #308 Charles
Someone within the GOP is pushing very hard on the "Obama is elite and not like normal Americans" meme, and it is coming out all over the nation. No doubt some canny pollster determined this was the GOP's best sales tactic for the 2010 and 2012 elections.
Note today how Marshall is being portrayed as being outside the mainstream and Kagan as being an elitist.
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Bagua Mon, Jun 28, 2010 9:35:03pm |
re: #294 justaminute
I go there but my loyalty is to the US. My son is an Officer in the Navy but you don't want to hear what the average Iranian thinks? Those are not my thoughts but go to Iranians.com and take a look around and read what Iranians from around the world are saying.
The average Iranian wants a better life and to be free of the oppressive Mullah regime. That is not in doubt. The problem is who is in control of the military and the nuclear and missile programs. That is not the Iranian people, it is the oppressive regime of which Ahmedinijad is President.
The worst thing that could happen to the Iranian populace is for the Mullahs/Military to further cement their grip on power by acquiring a nuclear shield.
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Achilles Tang Mon, Jun 28, 2010 9:38:44pm |
re: #320 Bagua
The worst thing that could happen to the Iranian populace is for the Mullahs/Military to further cement their grip on power by acquiring a nuclear shield.
You encourage the argument, not deliberately for sure, by using the word "shield". Shield against what? A shield for having a shield?
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SpaceJesus Mon, Jun 28, 2010 9:39:13pm |
re: #313 Charles
They know it's a racist term. They just lie about it, and pretend it isn't. It's what they do.
I dont even understand why that site exists when there is already freerepublic
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webevintage Mon, Jun 28, 2010 9:39:24pm |
re: #317 Gus 802
The subtext of the hatred for Thurgood Marshall can be found here.
God.
Bastards.
God damn those bastards just disgust me...they have no fucking shame.
And Sen. Kyl should be ashamed of himself too.
Why would any "ordinary American" vote for a man who thinks it is a bad idea that a SC justice have some regard for the "underdog" in this country.
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Racer X Mon, Jun 28, 2010 9:40:45pm |
re: #316 goddamnedfrank
You're wrong. Iran has precious little refinery capacity, oil is priced globally, and as a result they are forced to import and ration gasoline & other fuels. Nuclear power is currently the cheapest option per kilowatt hour for pretty much everyone who doesn't have vast geothermal reserves (read: Iceland.)
I'm fairly certain that oil refineries and natural gas power plants would be a cheaper way to go for Iran. They have oil, and they have natural gas. They just need to convert it to electricity. Why the need for nuclear power?
Are they environmentalists now?
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Bagua Mon, Jun 28, 2010 9:41:07pm |
re: #316 goddamnedfrank
You're wrong. Iran has precious little refinery capacity, oil is priced globally, and as a result they are forced to import and ration gasoline & other fuels. Nuclear power is currently the cheapest option per kilowatt hour for pretty much everyone who doesn't have vast geothermal reserves (read: Iceland.)
No, I'm not wrong, you are. They do not need to refine their oil to generate electricity. They need only to purify the vast natural gas reserves they have.
Oil is not the best choice for electrical generation, natural gas is.
I'm all for letting the Iranians build additional petroleum refineries and Natural Gas fractionators once they are deprived of nuclear capacity.
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Ayeless in Ghazi Mon, Jun 28, 2010 9:41:43pm |
re: #297 Rightwingconspirator
When Ice and Jimmah pack heat, I for one will sleep better.
[Link: www.isoaker.com...]
Can be loaded with ice, aptly enough.
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justaminute Mon, Jun 28, 2010 9:42:24pm |
re: #320 Bagua
The average Iranian wants a better life and to be free of the oppressive Mullah regime. That is not in doubt. The problem is who is in control of the military and the nuclear and missile programs. That is not the Iranian people, it is the oppressive regime of which Ahmedinijad is President.
The worst thing that could happen to the Iranian populace is for the Mullahs/Military to further cement their grip on power by acquiring a nuclear shield.
Yes, but stopping the regime without the whole populace behind the reformers will not happen in the next 6 months, but the people are between a rock and a hard place. Personally, I think everyone should be more worried about Pakistan. They have the bombs and it looks like elements of their military are supporting the Taliban. But everyone has their eye on Iran.
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Gus Mon, Jun 28, 2010 9:42:36pm |
re: #323 webevintage
God.
Bastards.
God damn those bastards just disgust me...they have no fucking shame.And Sen. Kyl should be ashamed of himself too.
Why would any "ordinary American" vote for a man who thinks it is a bad idea that a SC justice have some regard for the "underdog" in this country.
Yep. And Brown v. Board of Education was a unanimous decision with Marshall as the lead NAACP attorney for the plaintiffs. Unanimous as in 9-0 and under Eisenhower's "Warren Court" with Earl Warren as Chief Justice.
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Boogberg Mon, Jun 28, 2010 9:42:39pm |
re: #320 Bagua
How can you stop them though? Can't starve them out. The World condemns you. Can't use military force. The World condemns you. What the fuck are you supposed to do?
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brookly red Mon, Jun 28, 2010 9:42:42pm |
re: #326 Bagua
No, I'm not wrong, you are. They do not need to refine their oil to generate electricity. They need only to purify the vast natural gas reserves they have.
Oil is not the best choice for electrical generation, natural gas is.
I'm all for letting the Iranians build additional petroleum refineries and Natural Gas fractionators once they are deprived of nuclear capacity.
/fuck it let em build solar panels & wind farms...
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Bagua Mon, Jun 28, 2010 9:44:29pm |
re: #321 Naso Tang
You encourage the argument, not deliberately for sure, by using the word "shield". Shield against what? A shield for having a shield?
A shield that prevents Israel or the US from responding to the Iranian proxy wars. At bare minimum a nuclear capacity would preserve and protect the regime while it oppresses the Iranian population and attacks other nations via proxies and terrorism.
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BARACK THE VOTE Mon, Jun 28, 2010 9:45:25pm |
re: #281 Stanley Sea
I've been looking. Only name I saw tossed around was Jane H. But it wasn't confirmed she was on journolist. Oh I'm curious though.
First, Weigel was flatout dumb to think it wouldn't get leaked. There have been leaks before. And especially with him getting the WaPo gig-- there's a lot of envious people out there about it. (lefties). *Especially* because Ezra got him the gig at WaPo in the first place. There's an extremely high resentment level among left bloggers for one little group of dc bloggers, the whole Ezra-Yglesias-McCardle-Sanchez etc little gang. So someone on the left leaked it out of professional jealousy and/or possible personal animus.
i think weigel chose BigGovt possibly because he didn't want a lefty site (out of anger and/or not knowing who he can trust) and wanted maximum coverage. Maybe. Who knows. (this isn't even what I'd say in the Weigel, WTF page -- this is just sheer speculation on my part. )
I do think he's trying to sort of maintain cred in both camps and that's both foolish and impossible.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Jun 28, 2010 9:45:35pm |
re: #319 freetoken
Despite it being an old one, I just don't get the anti-elitist meme that some buy into, especially when it comes from fans of Rand's writing/ideology.
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Ayeless in Ghazi Mon, Jun 28, 2010 9:45:50pm |
Cultural event of the week: The new Doctor Who (Matt Smith) taking the stage at Glastonbury with Orbital last night:
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Bagua Mon, Jun 28, 2010 9:47:24pm |
re: #328 justaminute
Yes, but stopping the regime without the whole populace behind the reformers will not happen in the next 6 months, but the people are between a rock and a hard place. Personally, I think everyone should be more worried about Pakistan. They have the bombs and it looks like elements of their military are supporting the Taliban. But everyone has their eye on Iran.
I am also worried about Pakistan. In fact there is an ongoing war in Afghanistan and parts of Pakistan. No one is taking their eye off of Pakistan so your "concern" is misplaced.
Iran is a clear and present danger, something even the EU recognises. One doesn't deal with this threat through distraction.
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Daniel Ballard Mon, Jun 28, 2010 9:47:25pm |
re: #327 Jimmah
Now that looks like fun. Oh yes.
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freetoken Mon, Jun 28, 2010 9:48:33pm |
re: #325 Racer X
I'm fairly certain that oil refineries and natural gas power plants would be a cheaper way to go for Iran. They have oil, and they have natural gas. They just need to convert it to electricity. Why the need for nuclear power?
Two fundamental reasons:
Oil - they probably don't have as much as they claim, as all the OPEC countries have lied and inflated their resources. Also, it's now been several years since Iran passed the peak of their oil production and there is little reason to believe they will ever surpass it.
Gas - their planning on using their natural gas as their major export, to south Asia (Pakistan and India.) There is a major project proposed to run a pipeline from western Iran to Pakistan and India, though the poor relationship between the latter two nations is always a sticking point.
As this century progresses it will become increasingly obvious that the world will need to find alternatives to fossil fuels (for various reasons), and nuclear remains the best option for large electricity production in a small area.
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BARACK THE VOTE Mon, Jun 28, 2010 9:48:39pm |
Addendum to weigel: this is from ezra's statement about shutting j-list
What I didn't expect was that a member of the list, or someone given access by a member of the list, would trawl through the archives to assemble a dossier of quotes from one particular member and then release them to an interested media outlet to embarrass him. But that's what happened to David Weigel.
Someone was definitely out to get him. I think it was a jealous leftie. (but the right of course were out to get him for some time too).
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Cato the Elder Mon, Jun 28, 2010 9:48:48pm |
re: #214 SanFranciscoZionist
It has a sort of bluegrass sound to me, with the very bright, sharp, string notes.
Listen to this one:
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Jun 28, 2010 9:48:53pm |
re: #322 SpaceJesus
I dont even understand why that site exists when there is already freerepublic
Hatred of LGF and Charles is their bond. Without that, the site would likely disintegrate.
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Cato the Elder Mon, Jun 28, 2010 9:50:18pm |
re: #297 Rightwingconspirator
When Ice and Jimmah pack heat, I for one will sleep better.
Eh - hate to disabuse you, but I would not bet that they haven't been doing so all along.
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Racer X Mon, Jun 28, 2010 9:50:32pm |
re: #338 freetoken
As this century progresses it will become increasingly obvious that the world will need to find alternatives to fossil fuels (for various reasons), and nuclear remains the best option for large electricity production in a small area.
Glow here! Glow now!
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justaminute Mon, Jun 28, 2010 9:50:54pm |
re: #331 brookly red
/fuck it let em build solar panels & wind farms...
They have been. They recalled all their old cars and trucks and paid them to buy new cars. They know that oil is a weapon used by all the powers and the people read what you do. They also pay their teachers way better than we do. Medicines that are to expensive for the average citizen can afford (like multiple sclerosis - $1,400 month) is subsidized by the government. That is what makes them hard to throw off.
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Bagua Mon, Jun 28, 2010 9:51:00pm |
re: #330 Boogberg
How can you stop them though? Can't starve them out. The World condemns you. Can't use military force. The World condemns you. What the fuck are you supposed to do?
No one suggests "starve them out." The entire Iranian nuclear and missile program could be stopped using minimal force. It is the only viable way to stop them.
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webevintage Mon, Jun 28, 2010 9:51:39pm |
re: #335 Jimmah
Cultural event of the week: The new Doctor Who (Matt Smith) taking the stage at Glastonbury with Orbital last night:
I'm digging the new Doctor and the Van Gogh episode was just lovely.
Plus Bill Nighy always makes me happy....
(don't watch if you have not seen the ep yet)
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Jun 28, 2010 9:52:19pm |
re: #335 Jimmah
Hmmm...Nice, but that Mr. Saxon still seems like such a nice guy. Can't go wrong voting for him...
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Bagua Mon, Jun 28, 2010 9:52:35pm |
re: #338 freetoken
The Iranians have centuries supply of natural gas. They have no need for nuclear power.
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Bagua Mon, Jun 28, 2010 9:53:28pm |
re: #344 justaminute
They have been. They recalled all their old cars and trucks and paid them to buy new cars. They know that oil is a weapon used by all the powers and the people read what you do. They also pay their teachers way better than we do. Medicines that are to expensive for the average citizen can afford (like multiple sclerosis - $1,400 month) is subsidized by the government. That is what makes them hard to throw off.
And they also hang gays from cranes in the streets.
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Achilles Tang Mon, Jun 28, 2010 9:54:10pm |
re: #316 goddamnedfrank
You're wrong. Iran has precious little refinery capacity, oil is priced globally, and as a result they are forced to import and ration gasoline & other fuels. Nuclear power is currently the cheapest option per kilowatt hour for pretty much everyone who doesn't have vast geothermal reserves (read: Iceland.)
Who's side are you arguing? Iran could easily have nuclear power. All they have to do is comply with their paper obligations under the non proliferation agreements that they have signed.
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Ayeless in Ghazi Mon, Jun 28, 2010 9:54:50pm |
re: #346 webevintage
I'm digging the new Doctor and the Van Gogh episode was just lovely.
Plus Bill Nighy always makes me happy...
(don't watch if you have not seen the ep yet)
[Video]
I've heard the new guy is good. (I'm waiting till ice-ski get's here before I watch any of the new series :) )
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CuriousLurker Mon, Jun 28, 2010 9:55:25pm |
re: #123 Charles
I strongly suspect this is a fake, sent by a stalker, but here you go:
[...]
I hope "Abdul" isn't holding his breath waiting for that.
I think your suspicions are correct. It doesn't pass the smell test. The tone is wrong, even if it was coming from a total loon. I don't want to publicly say exactly what is wrong with the tone as that would just assist whoever's trying to punk you by helping them write a better version next time.
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justaminute Mon, Jun 28, 2010 9:57:46pm |
re: #336 Bagua
I am also worried about Pakistan. In fact there is an ongoing war in Afghanistan and parts of Pakistan. No one is taking their eye off of Pakistan so your "concern" is misplaced.
Iran is a clear and present danger, something even the EU recognises. One doesn't deal with this threat through distraction.
Right, by the deadline Afghanistan is going to be so wonderful. Iraq is a bastion of democracy in the ME, right. These people are all tribal. If you think they are going to sing America the Beautiful anytime soon, I don't know what to tell you.
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webevintage Mon, Jun 28, 2010 9:58:01pm |
re: #351 Jimmah
I've heard the new guy is good. (I'm waiting till ice-ski get's here before I watch any of the new series :) )
That is so freaking sweet.
I would not do that for my hubby....a gal has to have her priorities.
;-)
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freetoken Mon, Jun 28, 2010 9:58:17pm |
re: #348 Bagua
The Iranians have centuries supply of natural gas.
Nope. That is the same argument that some say (wrongly) about US coal.
The counter argument is very simple, and can be illustrated with beer:
If you have 100 bottles of beer on the wall, and you take one down and pass it around, how many do you have left on the wall?
99.
If you have 100 bottles of beer on the wall, and you take two down and pass them around, how many do you have left on the wall?
A: 42? 69? 98? 99? 100? Bazillion?
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Bagua Mon, Jun 28, 2010 9:59:51pm |
re: #344 justaminute
They have been. They recalled all their old cars and trucks and paid them to buy new cars. They know that oil is a weapon used by all the powers and the people read what you do. They also pay their teachers way better than we do. Medicines that are to expensive for the average citizen can afford (like multiple sclerosis - $1,400 month) is subsidized by the government. That is what makes them hard to throw off.
This "is what makes them hard to throw off."
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justaminute Mon, Jun 28, 2010 10:00:22pm |
re: #349 Bagua
You think I don't know that. The first time I went I saw a guy hung off a street light. I am not defending them. You need to argue that with someone else.
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Bagua Mon, Jun 28, 2010 10:01:32pm |
re: #353 justaminute
Right, by the deadline Afghanistan is going to be so wonderful. Iraq is a bastion of democracy in the ME, right. These people are all tribal. If you think they are going to sing America the Beautiful anytime soon, I don't know what to tell you.
How does that pertain to the Iranian nuclear and missile programs and their active proxy wars in the Middle East? You are just asking us to look away in a different direction.
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Achilles Tang Mon, Jun 28, 2010 10:02:52pm |
Time to retire, but I have to conclude with the comment that all this crap about Iran could have been solved long ago, years ago, if it were not for the self serving cynicism of two nations (never mind the self serving enablers of capitalism in between); China and Russia.
China spawned North Korea as the proxy pain in the ass for the rest of the world, and allowed it to spread Chinese nuclear technology to parts that it would never otherwise have reached no matter how much Heineken was distributed.
And the Russians just go with the flow; while we pay for it all by shopping at WallMart.
Goodnight.//
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Bagua Mon, Jun 28, 2010 10:03:11pm |
re: #355 freetoken
Nope. That is the same argument that some say (wrongly) about US coal.
The counter argument is very simple, and can be illustrated with beer:
If you have 100 bottles of beer on the wall, and you take one down and pass it around, how many do you have left on the wall?
99.
If you have 100 bottles of beer on the wall, and you take two down and pass them around, how many do you have left on the wall?
A: 42? 69? 98? 99? 100? Bazillion?
Natural Gas is not coal. The US is not Iran. They have no need for nuclear capacity and they most certainly do have vast amounts of natural gas.
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Boogberg Mon, Jun 28, 2010 10:03:28pm |
re: #345 Bagua
No one suggests "starve them out." The entire Iranian nuclear and missile program could be stopped using minimal force. It is the only viable way to stop them.
Minimal force? We don't really know that, do we. 60 million people can have a lotta fight in 'em.
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justaminute Mon, Jun 28, 2010 10:03:32pm |
re: #356 Bagua
Bagua, I have seen so much, this government is brutal. But right now they have the power. What can I say?
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Stanghazi Mon, Jun 28, 2010 10:06:24pm |
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goddamnedfrank Mon, Jun 28, 2010 10:06:55pm |
re: #326 Bagua
No, I'm not wrong, you are. They do not need to refine their oil to generate electricity. They need only to purify the vast natural gas reserves they have.
Oil is not the best choice for electrical generation, natural gas is.
I'm all for letting the Iranians build additional petroleum refineries and Natural Gas fractionators once they are deprived of nuclear capacity.
They can always sell natural gas for more money than they would pay for nuclear over a plant's lifetime, that's true for everyone. As far as global warming and other environmental impacts go, natural gas is just as bad as oil when you factor in the effect of methane released by modern gas operations and hydraulic fracturing. Cf Gasland.
re: #325 Racer X
I'm fairly certain that oil refineries and natural gas power plants would be a cheaper way to go for Iran. They have oil, and they have natural gas. They just need to convert it to electricity. Why the need for nuclear power?
Are they environmentalists now?
Who isn't, it's everyone's environment. Forcing them to pump more to pay for refining more in order to burn more ironically has the net effect of releasing more radiation into the environment than civilian nuclear power would, as long as civilian use can be enforced (admittedly an unacceptable risk under Iran's current government.)
However if the Iranians can get their shit together, overthrow the Mullahs and agree to international inspections and foreign processing of all their fuel to ensure civilian use, then they should be allowed to have a civilian nuclear power program. I'm willing to deal in high hurdles, not absolutes.
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boredtechindenver Mon, Jun 28, 2010 10:06:56pm |
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Bagua Mon, Jun 28, 2010 10:07:26pm |
re: #357 justaminute
You think I don't know that. The first time I went I saw a guy hung off a street light. I am not defending them. You need to argue that with someone else.
Nope, you need to face reality. You are here arguing about what a paradise it is in Iran and how they pay their teachers well. That and the false claim that they only want nuclear electricity.
This is reality. The Mullah regime is a brutal, militarized abomination which oppresses its own people and fights proxy wars against others. They hang gays in the streets and viciously suppress their own people. This is why they can not be allowed to acquire nuclear weapons.
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Obdicut Mon, Jun 28, 2010 10:08:34pm |
re: #221 Charles
It is also an inevitable scenario, I think, unless we deprive them of that oil money.
Nuclear weapons are going to be increasingly trivial to acquire, especially if the global economy keeps on stuttering and choking.
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Charles Johnson Mon, Jun 28, 2010 10:10:29pm |
re: #352 CuriousLurker
I think your suspicions are correct. It doesn't pass the smell test. The tone is wrong, even if it was coming from a total loon. I don't want to publicly say exactly what is wrong with the tone as that would just assist whoever's trying to punk you by helping them write a better version next time.
I really don't know what the purpose of this is, except maybe to get me to post it? But if I post it and say it's obviously bogus, what do they achieve?
Oh, wait. Here I am trying to figure out the motivations of anonymous Internet wackos again. Never mind.
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Bagua Mon, Jun 28, 2010 10:10:56pm |
re: #361 Boogberg
Minimal force? We don't really know that, do we. 60 million people can have a lotta fight in 'em.
We do know that. The lesson of the Iraq war was that it was not necessary to invade or fight a larger war to stop the nuclear weapons programs. Simply striking at the nuclear facilities from the air is enough to effectively interrupt the Iranian nuclear program. The US could do this easily and notify the Iranians in advance to evacuate so no one is hurt.
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BARACK THE VOTE Mon, Jun 28, 2010 10:11:07pm |
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Bagua Mon, Jun 28, 2010 10:12:26pm |
re: #362 justaminute
Bagua, I have seen so much, this government is brutal. But right now they have the power. What can I say?
You can face up to the reality that the brutal government can not be allowed to acquire nuclear weapons.
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CuriousLurker Mon, Jun 28, 2010 10:13:06pm |
re: #369 Charles
Oh, wait. Here I am trying to figure out the motivations of anonymous Internet wackos again. Never mind.
Heh, exactly.
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BARACK THE VOTE Mon, Jun 28, 2010 10:14:07pm |
re: #369 Charles
I really don't know what the purpose of this is, except maybe to get me to post it? But if I post it and say it's obviously bogus, what do they achieve?
Oh, wait. Here I am trying to figure out the motivations of anonymous Internet wackos again. Never mind.
Some psychotic somewhere thinks he's going to get an email back from you that he can post. They want attention. (and traffic)
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Nimed Mon, Jun 28, 2010 10:14:33pm |
re: #355 freetoken
Nope. That is the same argument that some say (wrongly) about US coal.
The counter argument is very simple, and can be illustrated with beer:
If you have 100 bottles of beer on the wall, and you take one down and pass it around, how many do you have left on the wall?
99.
If you have 100 bottles of beer on the wall, and you take two down and pass them around, how many do you have left on the wall?
A: 42? 69? 98? 99? 100? Bazillion?
re: #360 Bagua
Natural Gas is not coal. The US is not Iran. They have no need for nuclear capacity and they most certainly do have vast amounts of natural gas.
You keep missing the point. This article has too many is too big to encapsulate in a quote, but here's one anyway:
[Link: www.atimes.com...]
In fact, the oil and gas that Iran has are almost as expensive as the oil and gas that other countries don't have. To be able to use oil or gas as a feed for an industry (eg power generation), Iran has to develop the resources. Now, once developed and produced, from an economic point of view, oil can be treated as a commodity, which has a value. The monetization of gas is more difficult, but not if you have ready markets around you and also if you can use that gas to boost your oil production capacity. In fact, considering the reality that the majority of Iran's oil and gas reserves are in the south and the country's population centers are in the north, it makes more sense to export the oil and gas in the south (oil from the terminals and gas through pipelines and gas value-add projects) rather than pump it to the north and translate it into electric power.
One example explains the logic of this argument - no one has so far posed the question why Iran actually buys oil from Caspian sources. The simple answer is that it makes economic sense: Caspian crude is closer to Iran's northern refineries and the utilization of Caspian crude in the north frees up oil in the south for export. The only argument that can be used regarding Iran's oil and gas reserves compared to other countries is the fact that Iran has secure domestic supplies as compared to other countries that are importers of oil and gas. However, if Iran as a country manages also to secure its own indigenous supply of nuclear fuel, then the equation changes and it becomes more of an economic evaluation.
I should preemptively point out that, just because it makes economic sense for Iran to use nuclear energy, that obviously doesn't mean that these are the intentions of the Iranian regime's nuclear program.
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Eclectic Infidel Mon, Jun 28, 2010 10:14:41pm |
re: #322 SpaceJesus
I dont even understand why that site exists when there is already freerepublic
Tribalism.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Jun 28, 2010 10:18:26pm |
re: #369 Charles
Oh, wait. Here I am trying to figure out the motivations of anonymous Internet wackos again. Never mind.
Your time would be better spent wondering why there is quality, free pr0n on the internet.
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Boogberg Mon, Jun 28, 2010 10:18:41pm |
re: #370 Bagua
We do know that. The lesson of the Iraq war was that it was not necessary to invade or fight a larger war to stop the nuclear weapons programs. Simply striking at the nuclear facilities from the air is enough to effectively interrupt the Iranian nuclear program. The US could do this easily and notify the Iranians in advance to evacuate so no one is hurt.
Erm, don't you want to destroy the shit before your enemy has a chance to move it? Come on now.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jun 28, 2010 10:19:19pm |
re: #310 Nimed
:)
Every option is pretty awful. It's really agonizing.
There's no good and clear way out of this. That's the part that simply sucks.
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Bagua Mon, Jun 28, 2010 10:19:37pm |
re: #375 Nimed
It is irrelevant. The nuclear electricity argument is a red herring. It is clear they are after nuclear weapons.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jun 28, 2010 10:21:45pm |
re: #334 Slumbering Behemoth
Despite it being an old one, I just don't get the anti-elitist meme that some buy into, especially when it comes from fans of Rand's writing/ideology.
When you're better than everyone else, it's really frustrating that people you don't like are acting as though they're just as good as you. The filthy elitists!
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BARACK THE VOTE Mon, Jun 28, 2010 10:24:20pm |
re: #377 Slumbering Behemoth
Your time would be better spent wondering why there is quality, free pr0n on the internet.
I'm still trying to understand what's happening to the GOP.
Fucking magnets wingnuts, how do they work?
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jun 28, 2010 10:25:05pm |
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Bagua Mon, Jun 28, 2010 10:25:13pm |
re: #378 Boogberg
Erm, don't you want to destroy the shit before your enemy has a chance to move it? Come on now.
They can't move those facilities. They are massive. Most of the nuclear capacity could be destroyed after giving warning. The whole idea behind stopping the Iranian nuclear weapons program is to avoid a situation in which massive Iranian casualties could result.
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CuriousLurker Mon, Jun 28, 2010 10:26:03pm |
re: #367 Bagua
Nope, you need to face reality. You are here arguing about what a paradise it is in Iran and how they pay their teachers well. That and the false claim that they only want nuclear electricity.
This is reality. The Mullah regime is a brutal, militarized abomination which oppresses its own people and fights proxy wars against others. They hang gays in the streets and viciously suppress their own people. This is why they can not be allowed to acquire nuclear weapons.
re: #372 Bagua
You can face up to the reality that the brutal government can not be allowed to acquire nuclear weapons.
Bagua, I just read through all of her posts and I didn't see her claiming that Iran is a paradise or that it should be allowed to have nuclear weapons. She made it clear several times that she's just trying to express how the man in the street feels. She also said that she knows from having seen with her own eyes how brutal the regime is and is thinks that the regime might be gaming us into a preemptive strike as the people know they would just be fodder and and the big guys would escape with their billions.
I don't understand what your beef is with her.
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Bagua Mon, Jun 28, 2010 10:28:19pm |
re: #385 CuriousLurker
This.
re: #242 justaminute
Most Iranians want Nuclear Power for electricity. My husband has been there the past 2 weeks. The temps have averaged over 100f every day, the electricity has gone off everyday at 12:30 pm and stayed off till 6 PM. It's been that way along time.
The Iranians want nuclear weapons, not electricity.
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BARACK THE VOTE Mon, Jun 28, 2010 10:29:53pm |
re: #385 CuriousLurker
Bagua, I just read through all of her posts and I didn't see her claiming that Iran is a paradise or that it should be allowed to have nuclear weapons. She made it clear several times that she's just trying to express how the man in the street feels. She also said that she knows from having seen with her own eyes how brutal the regime is and is thinks that the regime might be gaming us into a preemptive strike as the people know they would just be fodder and and the big guys would escape with their billions.
I don't understand what your beef is with her.
That's why I downdinged. Misrepresentation of another's posts.
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CuriousLurker Mon, Jun 28, 2010 10:31:21pm |
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Bagua Mon, Jun 28, 2010 10:32:02pm |
re: #389 CuriousLurker
The regime wants nuclear weapons. Big difference there, as we witnessed last summer.
My point exactly, it is the regime that is in power, not the Iranian people.
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Obdicut Mon, Jun 28, 2010 10:33:31pm |
re: #389 CuriousLurker
I think most Iranians probably do want nuclear weapons too.
That doesn't mean this statement:
Most Iranians want Nuclear Power for electricity.
Is untrue.
And given that she said this:
The temps have averaged over 100f every day, the electricity has gone off everyday at 12:30 pm and stayed off till 6 PM.
Why on earth, Bagua, would you make the silly claim that she was saying Iran was a paradise?
I don't think the electricity goes off in paradise during heatwaves.
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Ayeless in Ghazi Mon, Jun 28, 2010 10:33:38pm |
Most Iranians
The Iranians
How hard is it to understand the difference?
Unbelievable.
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BARACK THE VOTE Mon, Jun 28, 2010 10:35:44pm |
re: #391 Obdicut
I think most Iranians probably do want nuclear weapons too.
That doesn't mean this statement:
Why on earth, Bagua, would you make the silly claim that she was saying Iran was a paradise?
I don't think the electricity goes off in paradise during heatwaves.
Misrepresentation of another's posts and inability to engage in honest debate.
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Bagua Mon, Jun 28, 2010 10:36:21pm |
re: #393 iceweasel
Misrepresentation of another's posts and inability to engage in honest debate.
Something you specialise in.
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Boogberg Mon, Jun 28, 2010 10:37:53pm |
re: #384 Bagua
They can't move those facilities. They are massive. Most of the nuclear capacity could be destroyed after giving warning. The whole idea behind stopping the Iranian nuclear weapons program is to avoid a situation in which massive Iranian casualties could result.
If I show you an aerial view of Tehran, can you show me where the nuclear facility is?
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CuriousLurker Mon, Jun 28, 2010 10:38:37pm |
re: #390 Bagua
My point exactly, it is the regime that is in power, not the Iranian people.
I think that's exactly what's troubling her—she fears a preemptive strike in which many innocent Iranians are killed and the Ayatollahs escape unscathed. They flee with bags of money, leaving behind wounded & enraged populace.
Then what do we do? If we go into Iran, we're sandwiched between Iraq & Afghanistan.
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Bagua Mon, Jun 28, 2010 10:40:18pm |
re: #396 CuriousLurker
I think that's exactly what's troubling her—she fears a preemptive strike in which many innocent Iranians are killed and the Ayatollahs escape unscathed. They flee with bags of money, leaving behind wounded & enraged populace.
Then what do we do? If we go into Iran, we're sandwiched between Iraq & Afghanistan.
I am troubled by the same possibility. But the only sensible thing is to stop their nuclear and missile program before it is too late.
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Bagua Mon, Jun 28, 2010 10:40:39pm |
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Obdicut Mon, Jun 28, 2010 10:41:01pm |
re: #394 Bagua
Can you explain why you characterized her posts as portraying Iran as a paradise?
Aside from noting that electricity fails during heatwaves, she also said this:
The Head mullah in Iran has packed away billions off the oil. The Revolutionary Guard has done the same thing. There is talk they have built bomb shelters for themselves so if Israel of the US bombs them, they will be safe. The Iranian people know they will just be fodder for the bombs.
Does that sound like paradise to you?
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Bagua Mon, Jun 28, 2010 10:41:43pm |
re: #400 Obdicut
She agreed with me. So what's your problem Obdicut?
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Obdicut Mon, Jun 28, 2010 10:43:06pm |
re: #401 Bagua
She agreed with me. So what's your problem Obdicut?
My problem is that you said this:
Nope, you need to face reality. You are here arguing about what a paradise it is in Iran and how they pay their teachers well. That and the false claim that they only want nuclear electricity.
Both of those are false, incorrect representations of her positions.
Can you explain why you accused her of arguing that Iran was a paradise when she clearly was talking about problems in Iran?
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CuriousLurker Mon, Jun 28, 2010 10:43:18pm |
Okay, before I reply: I hope you had a great wedding & honeymoon, and I'm really looking forward to seeing some photos!
re: #391 Obdicut
I think most Iranians probably do want nuclear weapons too.
Why do you think that? I'm inclined to believe justa simply because she's spent a significant amount of time there.
That being said, I have no doubt that there are some Iranians who would like to have nuclear weapons, especially those that support the regime.
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Bagua Mon, Jun 28, 2010 10:44:45pm |
re: #402 Obdicut
I already did. I'm not interested in your repetitive sophistry.
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Ayeless in Ghazi Mon, Jun 28, 2010 10:44:57pm |
re: #399 Bagua
Come on now Bagua. Where's your 'concern' for civility all of a sudden?
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Obdicut Mon, Jun 28, 2010 10:46:22pm |
re: #403 CuriousLurker
Why do you think that? I'm inclined to believe justa simply because she's spent a significant amount of time there.
I didn't read her post as saying that Iranians didn't want nuclear weapons, though I guess the whole retaliatory strike thingy could be seen as that argument.
I think the Iranians want nuclear weapons because nuclear weapons act as a deterrent to being invaded. Iran was attacked by Iraq in a very, very bloody war, and I don't think they've forgotten.
The nuclear genie is out of the bottle. I don't think there's any nation in any sort of contentious position that doesn't want nuclear weapons.
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Bagua Mon, Jun 28, 2010 10:47:28pm |
re: #405 Jimmah
Come on now Bagua. Where's your 'concern' for civility all of a sudden?
As I said, troll someone else jimmah, I'm not interested in your hostility.
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Obdicut Mon, Jun 28, 2010 10:48:13pm |
re: #404 Bagua
I already did. I'm not interested in your repetitive sophistry.
No, you didn't. You mis-characterized her posts, which is a crappy thing for you to do. She was not arguing that Iran was a paradise, and they really do bribe their citizenry in various ways, and that really does equate to a degree of social control. They are not stupid, the mullahs-- though I think the military may be now mounting a quiet takeover.
I also agree with the other post that Pakistan is actually more of a nuclear threat than Iran is.
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BARACK THE VOTE Mon, Jun 28, 2010 10:48:49pm |
re: #394 Bagua
Something you specialise in.
Wipe the froth off your monitor and reread this.
It's from your foamy meltdown the other day when you likewise falsely accused McSpiff of wanting to remove all the Jews from judea, and then accused myself and Jimmah of wanting the same. Much ugliness ensued.
Still feel the need to have a meltdown? reread Charles's post and go take a walk. If you can't stay cool, LTFO: log the fuck off.
And yes, I'll continue to downding you when you engage in such tactics against anyone.
Once again, I will not respond further to you in this thread. So why don't we just pretend you've already called me and others various names, it's been deleted, and move on?
Think about it.
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Flavia Mon, Jun 28, 2010 10:48:55pm |
re: #31 lostlakehiker
Watch what we say, not what we do. Pay no attention to that tunnel with all those centrifuges. Where else but in a tunnel would you do such tricky work?
Pay no attention to our friendship with North Korea. Those people just know a lot about medical isotopes.
It's an insult to our intelligence. That he seems to think it will work is an own-goal insult to his own. But he's not proud. He's willing to have us think him stupid, so long as the work goes on unchecked. This rhetoric works with those who wish him to have nukes, but don't quite have license to say so outright.
Sorry I can't give you a dozen updings (& that's not just because you read my mind - this is precisely his mindset, the insults he is paying us & just how stupid he actually is).
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Ayeless in Ghazi Mon, Jun 28, 2010 10:49:35pm |
As far as I can see justaminute was just trying to remind us that the people of Iran are not the same as the regime, and this should be remembered when talking about possible military action. Their aims are not the aims of the regime.
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Bagua Mon, Jun 28, 2010 10:50:19pm |
re: #409 iceweasel
Why are you trying to start another flame war on Charles's site?
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CuriousLurker Mon, Jun 28, 2010 10:50:50pm |
re: #398 Bagua
I am troubled by the same possibility. But the only sensible thing is to stop their nuclear and missile program before it is too late.
It's a really dicey situation. I hope to God things can be worked out diplomatically or with sanctions or whatever because I see the alternative as lose/lose. It's all too easy for me to envision things spiraling out of control and the whole region erupting into a war the likes of which we've never seen before.
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BARACK THE VOTE Mon, Jun 28, 2010 10:51:26pm |
re: #409 iceweasel
Wipe the froth off your monitor and reread this.
It's from your foamy meltdown the other day when you likewise falsely accused McSpiff of wanting to remove all the Jews from judea, and then accused myself and Jimmah of wanting the same-- purely because we downdinged you for that.
Done now.
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Bagua Mon, Jun 28, 2010 10:53:31pm |
re: #413 CuriousLurker
It's a really dicey situation. I hope to God things can be worked out diplomatically or with sanctions or whatever because I see the alternative as lose/lose. It's all too easy for me to envision things spiraling out of control and the whole region erupting into a war the likes of which we've never seen before.
My fears exactly. Iranian nuclear weapons would create an unimaginably dangerous situation. The most likely victims, after Israel, would be Iran itself. I certainly would prefer sanctions and diplomacy over military action. But so far they appear futile.
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Bagua Mon, Jun 28, 2010 10:54:48pm |
re: #414 iceweasel
Done now.
Good. Go away and stop trolling me. It is a waste of time and drags the blog down.
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BARACK THE VOTE Mon, Jun 28, 2010 10:58:39pm |
re: #416 Bagua
Good. Go away and stop trolling me. It is a waste of time and drags the blog down.
Several people point out your tendency to misrepresent and distort the words of others. There's a reason.
I object to your attempts to run people off and your mischaracterisations of others (and myself). The only one trolling is you.
Really, think about it for a bit. Take five minutes if you have to. Now be cool, okay?
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CuriousLurker Mon, Jun 28, 2010 11:00:12pm |
re: #406 Obdicut
I didn't read her post as saying that Iranians didn't want nuclear weapons, though I guess the whole retaliatory strike thingy could be seen as that argument.
I think the Iranians want nuclear weapons because nuclear weapons act as a deterrent to being invaded. Iran was attacked by Iraq in a very, very bloody war, and I don't think they've forgotten.
The nuclear genie is out of the bottle. I don't think there's any nation in any sort of contentious position that doesn't want nuclear weapons.
You could be right, but I find it hard to believe the average Iranian would want to risk a strike by the U.S. just so they could have a deterrent to the Iraqis, especially since the Iraqis aren't really a threat to them—at least not at present.
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Bagua Mon, Jun 28, 2010 11:00:30pm |
re: #417 iceweasel
Several people point out your tendency to misrepresent and distort the words of others. There's a reason.
I object to your attempts to run people off and your mischaracterisations of others (and myself). The only one trolling is you.
Really, think about it for a bit. Take five minutes if you have to. Now be cool, okay?
Don't you every stop? Of course not. You thrive on hostility. No one has driven more people off than you Iceweasel. Stop attacking me with lies and I'm happy to ignore you. You choice.
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Ayeless in Ghazi Mon, Jun 28, 2010 11:03:57pm |
re: #407 Bagua
As I said, troll someone else jimmah, I'm not interested in your hostility.
Lol @ dingbats/ lol@thedingbat
Got to marvel at someone who throws out a silly barb that is intended to annoy, and when it is simply thrown back to him virtually as is, he responds by screaming about hostility and trolling.
If it's hostile and trolling to say such things, then don't say them, Bagua.
Anyway I'm out of this thread now as I don't intend to get into a slanging match with you, despite your best efforts.
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abolitionist Mon, Jun 28, 2010 11:04:20pm |
re: #325 Racer X
I'm fairly certain that oil refineries and natural gas power plants would be a cheaper way to go for Iran. They have oil, and they have natural gas. They just need to convert it to electricity. Why the need for nuclear power?
Are they environmentalists now?
I'll say again, 2/3 of the world's supply of oil will be produced (and consumed) within about 70 years. One human lifetime. We (collectively --the world) are already at or past the 50 percentile mark. We'll be at the 68 percentile in another 30 to 35 years.
The pursuit of electrical power generation capacity over the next couple decades, that does not depend on oil & gas, is entirely reasonable.
It's doubly maddening. We (US) don't yet recognize that imperative, either for Iran or for ourselves. And for Iran, it appears to be just a cover for weapons programs.
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Bagua Mon, Jun 28, 2010 11:06:07pm |
re: #420 Jimmah
Lol @ dingbats/ lol@thedingbat
Got to marvel at someone who throws out a silly barb that is intended to annoy, and when it is simply thrown back to him virtually as is, he responds by screaming about hostility and trolling.
If it's hostile and trolling to say such things, then don't say them, Bagua.
Anyway I'm out of this thread now as I don't intend to get into a slanging match with you, despite your best efforts.
It is your choice jimmah. I have tried many, many times to get you and iceweasel to move on from your hostility.
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CuriousLurker Mon, Jun 28, 2010 11:07:13pm |
re: #408 Obdicut
I also agree with the other post that Pakistan is actually more of a nuclear threat than Iran is.
Me too. They already have the bombs and it's not the most stable country from what I've read.
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CuriousLurker Mon, Jun 28, 2010 11:09:26pm |
Um, I just realized it's past 2am here and I have to get up early tomorrow. Where does the time go?
Have a nice night, Lizards.
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Bagua Mon, Jun 28, 2010 11:09:55pm |
re: #423 CuriousLurker
Me too. They already have the bombs and it's not the most stable country from what I've read.
I am worried about Pakistani nukes. They have both the weapons and the missiles to deliver them. On the plus side they have not made public statements about wiping Israel off the map and do not fight proxy wars against Israel.
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Bagua Mon, Jun 28, 2010 11:10:28pm |
re: #424 CuriousLurker
Um, I just realized it's past 2am here and I have to get up early tomorrow. Where does the time go?
Have a nice night, Lizards.
Good night CL, it is always good to have your reasoned opinions here.
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Ayeless in Ghazi Mon, Jun 28, 2010 11:24:12pm |
re: #422 Bagua
It is your choice jimmah. I have tried many, many times to get you and iceweasel to move on from your hostility.
Oh yes. And how exactly does that fit in with repeatedly calling iceweasel a pyschopath and a sociopath, and pointedly refusing to apologise or take it back?
So that's complete bullshit. But I'm going to give you another opportunity to make such an apology, and thereby make it possible for us to leave that hostility behind. Or do you think that cordial relations are supposed to be conceivable while you are saying things like that?
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Bagua Mon, Jun 28, 2010 11:33:56pm |
re: #427 Jimmah
I have made numerous attempts to make peace with you and Iceweasel. Yet you continuously initiate hostilities when for my part I am ignoring you. As I say, it is entirely your choice.
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Bagua Mon, Jun 28, 2010 11:37:38pm |
re: #428 Bagua
Lol, you downding an offer of peace. I see your answer. Talk to me again when you are ready to drop the hostility. Good night.
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Ayeless in Ghazi Mon, Jun 28, 2010 11:46:17pm |
re: #428 Bagua
I have made numerous attempts to make peace with you and Iceweasel. Yet you continuously initiate hostilities when for my part I am ignoring you. As I say, it is entirely your choice.
All you had to do was say something like: "Sorry - those comments were over the top. I apologise to iceweasel for them, and of course she is not a sociopath or a psychopath. I was just angry at the time and that's how it came out"
But once again, you won't do it.
Explain to me how it is supposed to be possible to have civil relations with someone who is repeatedly calling your wife a psychopath and standing by those comments.
Then get back to me about how it is me that is causing this hostility.
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Ayeless in Ghazi Mon, Jun 28, 2010 11:48:20pm |
re: #429 Bagua
Lol, you downding an offer of peace. I see your answer. Talk to me again when you are ready to drop the hostility. Good night.
That was a refusal of peace, hence the downding.
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Bagua Tue, Jun 29, 2010 12:12:26am |
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BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Jun 29, 2010 12:18:34am |
re: #432 Bagua
No jimmah, it was the opposite.
It's orthogonal to what happened on this thread, but those were false and extremely vicious things to say about me.
If you retract and apologise I would very much appreciate it, and I would consider it closed-- as well as providing a demonstration of good faith on your part. That's all I have to say about that.
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BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Jun 29, 2010 2:41:15am |
re: #419 Bagua
Oh please, more bullshit. Missed this before. Bagua, it's more than clear that you aren't in good faith. You've repeatedly lied and claimed you don't address me or Jimmah, you falsely claim you want peace, and when you're given a chance to just fucking do the right thing you won't.
Enough, i'm disgusted. It's clear what you're all about. Just as it was clear what you were up to tonight with justaminute. Feh.
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Sacred Plants Tue, Jun 29, 2010 2:50:47am |
"If you believe that there is a tomorrow, then that is only the second stupidest thing. The stupidest thing in the future is accumulating atomic weapons and playing a shadow budget with it."
/
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Ayeless in Ghazi Tue, Jun 29, 2010 11:30:47am |
re: #432 Bagua
No jimmah, it was the opposite.
I made the offer of peace in #427. I said what had to be done in order for that to happen - you just need to take back certain odious slurs about iceweasel. Pretty fucking obvious stuff, and pretty fucking reasonable too.
In your reply, you pointedly refrained from doing that. You basically said 'No, I demand that you make peace with me while I continue to stand by - and reinforce - those vicious comments about your wife".
It amazes me that even you could be disingenuous enough to try to frame that as an offer of peace.
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BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Jun 29, 2010 8:06:25pm |
re: #419 Bagua
Don't you every stop? Of course not. You thrive on hostility. No one has driven more people off than you Iceweasel. Stop attacking me with lies and I'm happy to ignore you. You choice.
Why I Left the Blogosphere: Exhibit A for Assholes, Exhibit B for Bagua.
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