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1 [deleted]  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 10:23:17pm
2 [deleted]  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 10:24:24pm
3 Boogberg  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 10:24:38pm

That wasn"t bad. Most of his stuff is mellow.

4 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 10:26:59pm

re: #1 SiouxpedUp

Dangerously close to breaking rule #3:

Posts that contain phone numbers, street addresses, email addresses or other personal information will also be deleted, as will posts that consist only of a variation on the word, "First!"

Welcome to LGF. Sooo, what's your story?

5 freetoken  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 10:27:32pm

Alex is still churning away, even though now inland, south of Brownsville:

[Link: radar.weather.gov...]

6 windsagio  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 10:28:51pm

So whats the first half of the weeks LGF news? Anything exciting?

7 SiouxpedUp  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 10:29:22pm

r: #4 Slmbrng Bhmth

hh?

Chck ths n t by Tdd!!

8 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 10:31:36pm

Ohhkay. I think that will be enough.

9 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 10:32:05pm

re: #6 windsagio

So whats the first half of the weeks LGF news? Anything exciting?

Blog bites man.

10 darthstar  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 10:33:24pm

Siouxp's on.

11 Gus  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 10:34:07pm

re: #4 Slumbering Behemoth

Dangerously close to breaking rule #3:

Welcome to LGF. Sooo, what's your story?

Too late. He's been BBQ'd.

12 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 10:34:09pm

A 'first' post and a Rick Astley video. This one is of the species Trollus Lamus.

13 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 10:34:20pm

re: #7 SiouxpedUp

What?

14 windsagio  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 10:34:57pm

re: #9 Spare O'Lake

you saying you missed me? >>

15 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 10:36:33pm

re: #12 Charles

I'll wager it was one that has had many sock-puppet attempts here before.

16 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 10:40:46pm

Registered a second account too.

17 Drogheda  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 10:40:49pm

Disemvoweling? Something new? Can't recall seeing that before.

18 Gus  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 10:41:37pm

Just watched Silence of the Lambs. The first one. Interesting to see the old technology devices from around 1991. It had the old AT&T phones. Kodak Instamatics. The old fax machines.

19 Boogberg  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 10:43:09pm

re: #12 Charles

A 'first' post and a Rick Astley video. This one is of the species Trollus Lamus.

This sucks. I don't want to be underneath two blocked people. Make me first! :D

20 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 10:44:12pm

re: #17 Drogheda

Disemvoweling? Something new? Can't recall seeing that before.

Gd nght flks, gtt gt sm shty.
Hppy Cnd Dy!

21 Drogheda  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 10:46:44pm

re: #18 Gus 802

You just had to mention the year didn't you? That's one of the things that really makes me feel older. Seeing what year movies I liked a lot came out and then doing the math. Makes me wonder where the time went.

22 Gus  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 10:50:08pm

re: #21 Drogheda

You just had to mention the year didn't you? That's one of the things that really makes me feel older. Seeing what year movies I liked a lot came out and then doing the math. Makes me wonder where the time went.

Yeah. It get worse as you get older when instead of thinking about movies you look in the mirror and notice something on your face, eyes, teeth or hair that you never noticed before. Followed by the muttering of "oh my, I'm getting old."

I don't know the exact explanation or if it's based on personal lifestyle but to me it seem the older one gets the faster time seems to fly -- it's almost and exponential acceleration.

23 AK-47%  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 10:50:16pm

re: #21 Drogheda

You just had to mention the year didn't you? That's one of the things that really makes me feel older. Seeing what year movies I liked a lot came out and then doing the math. Makes me wonder where the time went.

I remember watching Star Wars and wondering how long it would take until it looked aged like Buck Rogers in the 30's or Lost in Space in the 60's...but it has stood up well over the years, probably because it set the standard by which other space travel movies are made.

24 Boogberg  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 10:50:45pm

re: #13 Slumbering Behemoth

What?

Samuel L. Jackson is cool. I liked him in "Unbreakable".

25 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 10:52:18pm

re: #24 Boogberg

Samuel L. Jackson is cool. I liked him in "Unbreakable".

That's my favorite Shymalan film!

26 Targetpractice  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 10:52:37pm

re: #18 Gus 802

Just watched Silence of the Lambs. The first one. Interesting to see the old technology devices from around 1991. It had the old AT&T phones. Kodak Instamatics. The old fax machines.

Hell, any movie more than 10 years old seems like looking through a time capsule to me. Even Star Trek is looking downright antiquated these days, or at least not much more than a few years away.

27 Gus  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 10:53:34pm

re: #23 ralphieboy

I remember watching Star Wars and wondering how long it would take until it looked aged like Buck Rogers in the 30's or Lost in Space in the 60's...but it has stood up well over the years, probably because it set the standard by which other space travel movies are made.

Yeah, Silence of the Lambs still seemed rather contemporary save for a few social or gender (female FBI agent) cues. On the gender it was based on the scene with the local sheriffs and Jodie Foster.

28 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 10:54:17pm

re: #26 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Hell, any movie more than 10 years old seems like looking through a time capsule to me. Even Star Trek is looking downright antiquated these days, or at least not much more than a few years away.

I love 80's futurism. I LOVE IT SO MUCH. Wedge shaped cars that all look like slammed Lotus Esprits and Deloreans, digital dashboards. 80's cyberpunk, the far future with 8-bit computers, so awesome :D

29 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 10:55:24pm

I WOULD DO THIS TO MY CAR SO FAST except that I'd be pulled over and given a ticket and that would be that :D

30 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 10:56:00pm
31 Gus  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 10:56:24pm

re: #26 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Hell, any movie more than 10 years old seems like looking through a time capsule to me. Even Star Trek is looking downright antiquated these days, or at least not much more than a few years away.

Especially with special effects. I still prefer the more diverse ages of the old casting. I mean, how can it be "Star Trek" without at least Leonard Nimoy? OK, Patrick Stewart grew on me over the years.

32 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 10:57:09pm

re: #31 Gus 802

Especially with special effects. I still prefer the more diverse ages of the old casting. I mean, how can it be "Star Trek" without at least Leonard Nimoy? OK, Patrick Stewart grew on me over the years.

Spock showed up in Next Gen for a few episodes!

33 Boogberg  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 10:57:35pm

re: #25 WindUpBird

What is it with Shymalan? All of his movies kick ass.

34 Gus  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 10:57:39pm

re: #32 WindUpBird

Spock showed up in Next Gen for a few episodes!

You know he's retired from acting? I think it's this month.

35 Varek Raith  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 10:58:21pm

Flying car production rolls forward

Morning.
Not much sleep.
Ah well.

36 Gus  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 10:58:28pm

Not Spock but Nimoy. /

37 Gus  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 10:59:24pm

re: #35 Varek Raith

Flying car production rolls forward

Morning.
Not much sleep.
Ah well.

That will bring new meaning to a fender bender. "Damn, I just got into a wing bender!"

38 windsagio  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 10:59:57pm

re: #35 Varek Raith

Heh, they keep freakin' trying >>

39 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:00:18pm

re: #29 WindUpBird

Seen this yet?

40 Varek Raith  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:00:38pm

re: #38 windsagio

Heh, they keep freakin' trying >>

Flying cars are so history.
Space cars are were it's at!

41 Varek Raith  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:00:56pm

re: #39 Slumbering Behemoth

Seen this yet?

I FUCKING WANT.

42 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:01:23pm

re: #39 Slumbering Behemoth

Seen this yet?

They're LEGAL?!?!

43 Bagua  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:01:42pm

Goin Over The Hill

44 Targetpractice  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:02:15pm

re: #28 WindUpBird

I love 80's futurism. I LOVE IT SO MUCH. Wedge shaped cars that all look like slammed Lotus Esprits and Deloreans, digital dashboards. 80's cyberpunk, the far future with 8-bit computers, so awesome :D

My favorite part about 80s futurism: The perpetual Soviet Union. Of all the predictions that they got wrong, believing that the USSR would last into the next century, if not for centuries afterwards, is just downright hilarious.

45 windsagio  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:02:26pm

re: #40 Varek Raith

Teleportation booths, imo.

46 Varek Raith  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:03:00pm

re: #39 Slumbering Behemoth

Seen this yet?

...Sweet

Oh, and did I mention that each bike comes with a Tron helmet? And that you'll be able to watch yours be built on YouTube?

47 Varek Raith  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:04:43pm

re: #45 windsagio

Teleportation booths, imo.

Old but awesome.

Teleportation moves on

When physicists teleported photons for the first time in 1997 they had to destroy the photons to be sure that the teleportation had been successful. Now a team at the University of Vienna has managed to teleport photons without destroying them. Jian-Wei Pan and colleagues believe that their method could be the next step towards long-distance quantum communication
48 Boogberg  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:05:41pm

re: #41 Varek Raith

49 Gus  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:05:44pm

re: #45 windsagio

Teleportation booths, imo.

I watched a Nimoy interview a couple of nights ago. According to him they came up with teleportation in order to avoid the costs and trouble of creating a landing scene for the Enterprise which wouldn't have looked very good anyway. So instead of landing it became two shots and a simple special effect on the film: two to beam down Scotty!

50 windsagio  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:05:56pm

re: #47 Varek Raith

I wanna try to wrap my mind around 'teleporting photons WHILE destroying them' >>

51 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:06:46pm

re: #42 WindUpBird

They're LEGAL?!?!

Apparently. I don't even know how to ride a motor cycle, let alone one like that, but to quote The Raith:

re: #41 Varek Raith

I FUCKING WANT.

Badly.

52 Targetpractice  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:07:07pm

re: #34 Gus 802

You know he's retired from acting? I think it's this month.

Just acted his last part recently, in the season finale of Fringe.

53 windsagio  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:09:27pm

WTF is wrong with these guys?

(depressive college rock)

54 Gus  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:09:42pm

re: #52 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Just acted his last part recently, in the season finale of Fringe.

Read about that. LATimes had a video of him at some event. He's almost 79 years old and his voice isn't what it used to be.

55 Boogberg  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:13:22pm

re: #53 windsagio

"what you doin' with that mower blade, Carl?"

"I aim to kill you with it."

56 Gus  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:13:34pm

re: #53 windsagio

WTF is wrong with these guys?

[Video](depressive college rock)

"Indy Rock" /

Never heard of them. Looked them up and that guy is 43 years old. They've been around for a while I guess.

57 Targetpractice  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:15:35pm

re: #49 Gus 802

I watched a Nimoy interview a couple of nights ago. According to him they came up with teleportation in order to avoid the costs and trouble of creating a landing scene for the Enterprise which wouldn't have looked very good anyway. So instead of landing it became two shots and a simple special effect on the film: two to beam down Scotty!

They had to make a lot of changes to the series over the years to not only keep on budget, but to keep the execs happy. Nothing seemed to frustrate Roddenberry more than changing his series to please TPTB. Which is alright, because when they started up the movie franchise and then The Next Generation, the writers got so fed up with him that the execs turned around and told them not to pay too much attention to what he was saying.

58 windsagio  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:16:31pm

re: #56 Gus 802

The wtf is somewhat rhetorical, I know them well, and all their songs are like that.

You just always wonder why people like that keep going.

59 windsagio  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:18:39pm

re: #56 Gus 802

Wait I'm confused again: "Indy rock" vs "college rock" =?

60 Gus  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:18:47pm

re: #58 windsagio

The wtf is somewhat rhetorical, I know them well, and all their songs are like that.

You just always wonder why people like that keep going.

They make a living perhaps while enjoying themselves? You remember The Apples? They were starting up around 1990 and were my neighbors back then. They got a bit popular for a while there but finally broke up. Robert was last doing children's music but still playing away.

61 Varek Raith  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:19:23pm

re: #59 windsagio

Wait I'm confused again: "Indy rock" vs "college rock" =?

Way too many genres of music.
:/

62 Gus  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:19:57pm

re: #59 windsagio

Wait I'm confused again: "Indy rock" vs "college rock" =?

Oh nothing. When you said depressive it reminded me of conversation I was having with my brother when he brought up depressing Indy rock. We're not that familiar with the distinction being that we're both about 50.

63 Gus  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:20:16pm

50! Gadzooks! I'm doomed. ;)

64 Boogberg  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:20:46pm

re: #57 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Well it was still his idea. They acknowledged as much on TNG when he died.

65 windsagio  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:20:59pm

re: #60 Gus 802

no thats not quite what I mean.

If you listen to the Mountain goats alot, either they enjoy anguish something fierce, or their writer has some serious issues.

Serious. Issues.

66 windsagio  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:21:35pm

re: #61 Varek Raith

I freakin' love that convo tho', I used to play something for WUB and be like 'is this deathmetal, doomcore, or stoner doom?'

Mad fun game :D

67 Gus  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:21:38pm

re: #65 windsagio

no thats not quite what I mean.

If you listen to the Mountain goats alot, either they enjoy anguish something fierce, or their writer has some serious issues.

Serious. Issues.

Ah. We used to call that "angst."

68 windsagio  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:22:20pm

re: #67 Gus 802

Fair enough, I guess its like complaining after listening to "Broken" >>

69 Targetpractice  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:23:07pm

re: #64 Boogberg

Well it was still his idea. They acknowledged as much on TNG when he died.

True. But look at the first season and then the other six seasons afterward. After the weak first season, they put Gene in the "exec producer" seat, unleashed the writers, and turned the series around. The man was a good story writer, no doubt about that, but he was also a bit too much of an idealist.

70 Varek Raith  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:23:23pm

re: #63 Gus 802

50! Gadzooks! I'm doomed. ;)


We're all doomed.

We delude ourselves to think that our pitiable band will stand up to our enemies.

Life is so hollow.

Oh, what is the point?

Our quest is vain.

Let us save our effort and just lie down and die!

I'll do what I can, but expect very little.

With you around, I almost feel that we have a chance!

Sunrise! And I'm amazed we live to see another day!

Onward, to futility!

I surely shall collapse from exhaustion before I fall on the battlefield.

The bluster of the city makes me feel... insignificant.

-THE GREAT XAN!

71 windsagio  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:23:34pm

re: #68 windsagio

Speaking of that, next time I get in an argument with someone and think they're just echoing what they're told, instead of linking 'killing in the name of', I'll link this

72 Gus  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:23:50pm

re: #68 windsagio

Fair enough, I guess its like complaining after listening to "Broken" >>

Or something by Nirvana?

73 Gus  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:25:18pm

re: #70 Varek Raith

We're all doomed.

We delude ourselves to think that our pitiable band will stand up to our enemies.

Life is so hollow.

Oh, what is the point?

Our quest is vain.

Let us save our effort and just lie down and die!

I'll do what I can, but expect very little.

With you around, I almost feel that we have a chance!

Sunrise! And I'm amazed we live to see another day!

Onward, to futility!

I surely shall collapse from exhaustion before I fall on the battlefield.

The bluster of the city makes me feel... insignificant.

-THE GREAT XAN!

Hey, I'm in a disheveled stage right now. I finally have a beard, long hair that needs some "work", and I don't care what I wear.

74 windsagio  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:25:27pm

re: #72 Gus 802

True enough! I think I just like the dichotomy between the cheery sounding music and the dreadful depression of hte lyrics :D

75 windsagio  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:26:22pm

re: #74 windsagio

For instance:


(being spammy I know, been a while since I've talked to anyone who could really talk back >>)

76 Varek Raith  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:27:13pm

re: #73 Gus 802

Hey, I'm in a disheveled stage right now. I finally have a beard, long hair that needs some "work", and I don't care what I wear.

Damn!
I'm 26 and I'm already there!

77 Gus  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:27:21pm

re: #74 windsagio

True enough! I think I just like the dichotomy between the cheery sounding music and the dreadful depression of hte lyrics :D

Depressing is good in art. It's like a painting that either conveys happiness or sorrow and everything in between. Like they say it's about life.

78 Varek Raith  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:28:40pm

STOP CRASHING EXPLORER!

79 Bagua  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:28:47pm

Wine Up Pon Her


- Leftside & Esco
80 Irenicum  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:29:08pm

re: #77 Gus 802

Gus, saw your Lambs reference at the top of the thread. Don't know if you saw this earlier, but I thought you'd appreciate it.

81 Irenicum  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:29:52pm

re: #78 Varek Raith

Explorer? What's this strange thing you call Explorer?

82 Mardukhai  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:30:01pm

Just watched an episode of The Flash, a TV show of the early 90s. It looks so dated, especially the awful computer graphics.

83 [deleted]  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:30:14pm
84 Varek Raith  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:30:49pm

re: #81 Irenicum

Explorer? What's this strange thing you call Explorer?

Just normal Windows Explorer.
Not the Internet Explorer.
:)

85 Gus  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:30:53pm

re: #76 Varek Raith

Damn!
I'm 26 and I'm already there!

Hair is funny. Being that it determines how people interact with you. I noticed that when I had long hair and got a flat top then went back again. Now with the beard it's like there's a society of beard guys that suddenly acknowledge you.

86 Irenicum  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:30:59pm

Is anybody ever sheveled?

87 Gus  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:31:16pm

re: #80 Irenicum

Gus, saw your Lambs reference at the top of the thread. Don't know if you saw this earlier, but I thought you'd appreciate it.

[Video]

That's what inspired me to watch it.

88 Varek Raith  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:31:38pm

re: #85 Gus 802

Hair is funny. Being that it determines how people interact with you. I noticed that when I had long hair and got a flat top then went back again. Now with the beard it's like there's a society of beard guys that suddenly acknowledge you.

I noticed that...
Beard Society!

89 Gus  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:32:14pm

re: #88 Varek Raith

I noticed that...
Beard Society!

Grateful Dead! Jerry Garcia!

90 Mardukhai  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:33:32pm

Roddenberry was also something of an anti-Semite. Not a hater, just afraid of Jews. I knew a rabbi who worked with him on that fear. He never really got over it, and Star Trek never had a Jewish character despite its Jewish actors.

91 Irenicum  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:33:54pm

I just discovered Tea Party Jesus tonight. Amazing stuff!

92 Mardukhai  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:34:36pm

The John Beard Society -- an organization of conspiratorial chefs.

93 Gus  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:34:44pm

re: #86 Irenicum

Is anybody ever sheveled?

dishevel
late 14c., from O.Fr. deschevele, pp. of descheveler "to disarrange the hair," from des- "apart" (see dis-) + chevel "hair," from L. capillus "hair."

94 Irenicum  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:35:38pm

re: #93 Gus 802

I'm also into being gruntled.

95 Gus  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:35:46pm

re: #92 Mardukhai

The John Beard Society -- an organization of conspiratorial chefs.

Yeah, and all the Mustache Guys™ used to become firemen.

Which came first? The mustache or the fireman?

/

96 Targetpractice  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:35:57pm

re: #83 Boogberg

Yea but it was his idealism that was the essence of Star Trek. Good v Bad and all that. A black chick kissing a white dude? Nigga please.

The problem was being too idealistic. Humanity having given up all its vices and sins, Starfleet being purely peaceful, episodes being thinly veiled and badly executed Aesop-style fables, etc. Oh, and Riker with no beard, all was definitely not right with the universe.

97 Gus  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:36:17pm

re: #94 Irenicum

I'm also into being gruntled.

I dream of being franchised.

98 Varek Raith  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:36:29pm

re: #96 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

The problem was being too idealistic. Humanity having given up all its vices and sins, Starfleet being purely peaceful, episodes being thinly veiled and badly executed Aesop-style fables, etc. Oh, and Riker with no beard, all was definitely not right with the universe.

Lol.
Indeed.

99 Mardukhai  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:37:03pm

re: #86 Irenicum

Is anybody ever "ruly" as opposed to "unruly"?

100 Gus  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:37:53pm

re: #96 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

The problem was being too idealistic. Humanity having given up all its vices and sins, Starfleet being purely peaceful, episodes being thinly veiled and badly executed Aesop-style fables, etc. Oh, and Riker with no beard, all was definitely not right with the universe.

Oh. Yeah it would sometimes turn into a one hour therapy session with what's her face.

101 Irenicum  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:38:24pm

Star Trek is a great commentary on the mindset and the social issues of that time. Oh and it was also cool to see the women Kirk would bang.

102 Bagua  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:38:24pm

Wacky Dip


- Ding Dong Feat. Voicemail
103 Varek Raith  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:38:59pm

re: #99 Mardukhai

Is anybody ever "ruly" as opposed to "unruly"?

"Inflammable means flammable?! What a country!"
-Dr. Nick

104 Varek Raith  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:39:42pm

re: #100 Gus 802

Oh. Yeah it would sometimes turn into a one hour therapy session with what's her face.

Yeah.
That's a warship needs.
A therapist.
And kids.
WTF Starfleet?

105 Irenicum  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:39:46pm

I also always wanted to start a club and call it the Den of Iquity.

106 Mardukhai  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:40:21pm

re: #94 Irenicum

I'm also into being gruntled.

Being disgruntled implies that someone or something has taken away your gruntle.

I wonder what is done with gruntle after a person has been disgruntled? Is it kept somewhere?

107 Gus  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:40:27pm

re: #99 Mardukhai

Is anybody ever "ruly" as opposed to "unruly"?

This link is handy for the curious...

[Link: www.etymonline.com...]

Ruly (now archaic) used to mean "amenable to rule."

108 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:40:36pm

re: #97 Gus 802

I dream of being franchised.

It takes some doing, but I have managed to become combobulated on several occasions.

109 AK-47%  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:40:54pm

re: #99 Mardukhai

Is anybody ever "ruly" as opposed to "unruly"?

I know people who are nonchalant but nobody has ever called me "chalant"

110 Gus  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:41:07pm

re: #105 Irenicum

I also always wanted to start a club and call it the Den of Iquity.

The Lair of Lasciviousness, Inequity and Wine Bar!

111 Targetpractice  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:41:37pm

re: #90 Mardukhai

Roddenberry was also something of an anti-Semite. Not a hater, just afraid of Jews. I knew a rabbi who worked with him on that fear. He never really got over it, and Star Trek never had a Jewish character despite its Jewish actors.

Roddenberry seemed to have a problem with religion, period. His original plot for what became The Motion Picture was basically a two-hour long stomping on of religion, with the source of all major religious figures from Noah to Christ being an ultra-advanced alien probe that had taken a passing fancy to humanity thousands of years ago.

No surprise that Paramount killed that idea dead without a second glance.

112 AK-47%  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:42:03pm

re: #103 Varek Raith

"Inflammable means flammable?! What a country!"
-Dr. Nick


No, there is a distinction: "inflammable" means it can burst into flame spontaneously, "flammable" means it has to be ignited.

113 Gus  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:42:06pm

re: #108 Slumbering Behemoth

It takes some doing, but I have managed to become combobulated on several occasions.

Befriended! Why not just cut out the "be" and make it "friended"?

114 Mardukhai  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:42:54pm

Always wondered who was pro-disestablishmentarianism.

115 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:42:59pm

re: #113 Gus 802

Befriended! Why not just cut out the "be" and make it "friended"?

Have you not heard of Facebook?

116 AK-47%  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:43:42pm

re: #113 Gus 802

Befriended! Why not just cut out the "be" and make it "friended"?


That is now a verb in Facebook parlance, to "friend", and the opposite, to "defriend".

117 Varek Raith  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:43:53pm

re: #112 ralphieboy

No, there is a distinction: "inflammable" means it can burst into flame spontaneously, "flammable" means it has to be ignited.

Killjoy.
:P

118 Gus  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:43:53pm

re: #112 ralphieboy

No, there is a distinction: "inflammable" means it can burst into flame spontaneously, "flammable" means it has to be ignited.

Inequity, injustice, etc.

119 Irenicum  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:44:25pm

Fenestrate, Definitely better than the alternative.

120 AK-47%  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:44:34pm

re: #117 Varek Raith

Killjoy.
:P


Don't go starting an (in)flame war here, okay?

121 Mardukhai  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:44:51pm

Befriended is still befuddled.

Never been fuddled, although it sounds rather pleasant.

122 Varek Raith  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:45:15pm

Lol.
Language.

123 Gus  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:45:22pm

re: #120 ralphieboy

Don't go starting an (in)flame war here, okay?

inflounceable

/

124 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:46:53pm

re: #121 Mardukhai

There's a place downtown where for 50 buck...

125 Irenicum  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:47:01pm

re: #122 Varek Raith

Me too. My father was an English prof and my mom wrote poetry, so my love for language, especially the English language's foibles, is totally genetic.

126 Bagua  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:47:38pm

Bagua's July 4th Reggae Sunsplash 2010 has begun.


Feeling good?

Dance and Shout


- Voicemail
127 Mardukhai  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:48:29pm

re: #119 Irenicum

Fenistration.

It implies throwing someone into a building through a window. Sounds pointless.

128 AK-47%  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:48:43pm

re: #123 Gus 802

inflounceable

/


You mean capable of spontaneous flouncation?

129 [deleted]  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:48:50pm
130 Irenicum  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:48:53pm

re: #114 Mardukhai

The irony of that word is that it's still an important term, considering the wingnuts who are trying to say that the founders didn't believe in the separation of church and state.

131 Gus  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:48:58pm

re: #124 Slumbering Behemoth

There's a place downtown where for 50 buck...

Fuddle fetish. //

132 Mardukhai  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:49:59pm

re: #125 Irenicum

My father was a poet and a journalist, and I swore
I would be neither. I became a journalist, God help
me.

133 Gus  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:50:05pm

re: #128 ralphieboy

You mean capable of spontaneous flouncation?

The opposite.

Hmm, how about beflounced?

ex. SiouxpedUp beflounced himself.

134 Varek Raith  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:50:12pm

re: #125 Irenicum

Me too. My father was an English prof and my mom wrote poetry, so my love for language, especially the English language's foibles, is totally genetic.

My mom's a speech-language pathologist. I learned very quickly the proper way to speak.
:)

135 Irenicum  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:50:22pm

re: #131 Gus 802

And here in the back we have the Fuddle Room, where you can befuddled all night long.

136 Boogberg  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:50:26pm

re: #131 Gus 802

Tree fiddy?

137 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:50:43pm
138 AK-47%  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:50:50pm

re: #130 Irenicum

The irony of that word is that it's still an important term, considering the wingnuts who are trying to say that the founders didn't believe in the separation of church and state.


It's not a matter of separation, it is a mater of abolishing the state altogether and replacing it with religion. That is what lies behind Islamism, dominionism and even lies at the root of Communism ("the withering away of the state") except without the religion part.

139 Gus  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:51:20pm

re: #135 Irenicum

And here in the back we have the Fuddle Room, where you can befuddled all night long.

Didn't Muddy Waters sing that?

She fuddlled me all night long baby.
She fuddled me all, night long...

140 Bagua  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:51:47pm

Calling Out


- Elephant Man
141 Irenicum  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:51:57pm

I'm in serious need of fuddlement.

142 AK-47%  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:52:03pm

re: #139 Gus 802

Didn't Muddy Waters sing that?

She fuddlled me all night long baby.
She fuddled me all, night long...


Get your West and Wewaxation in the Elmer Fuddle Room.

143 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:52:44pm

re: #129 Boogberg

Dude. WTF is it with the racial slurs tonight?

144 Targetpractice  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:53:23pm

re: #129 Boogberg

So he didn't hate Heebs then?

He apparently had disdain for religion in general, which is why you pretty much never saw any examples of it in Star Trek prior to his death. Whether he had particularly didn't like one religion over others, I can't say. Never read that far into it.

145 Mardukhai  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:54:28pm

re: #143 Slumbering Behemoth

He's referring to my comment about anti-Semitism.

146 Mardukhai  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:55:11pm

Night, peeps!

147 Irenicum  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:56:14pm

re: #146 Mardukhai

Same here. G'nite Lizards and Lizardettes.

148 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:58:12pm

re: #145 Mardukhai

It is my understanding that it is a derogatory slur. If that's true, I do not see the need to use it in the convo in question.

149 Gus  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 12:00:18am

re: #134 Varek Raith

My mom's a speech-language pathologist. I learned very quickly the proper way to speak.
:)

My mom was a teachers assistant and pre-med in Argentina. By the time she applied to Rutgers for psychology she already knew how to speak Spanish obviously, French, and English. Later she learned German. Rutgers basically ignored her education experience from Argentina. We were rather bitter about that at the time. But yeah, in this "great land of opportunity" she spend most of working days as a die lapper in a fine wire manufacturing facility.

150 Boogberg  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 12:00:32am

re: #143 Slumbering Behemoth

Let's not freak out here. What supposed racial slur has your panties in a twist?

151 Varek Raith  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 12:01:17am

re: #149 Gus 802

My mom was a teachers assistant and pre-med in Argentina. By the time she applied to Rutgers for psychology she already knew how to speak Spanish obviously, French, and English. Later she learned German. Rutgers basically ignored her education experience from Argentina. We were rather bitter about that at the time. But yeah, in this "great land of opportunity" she spend most of working days as a die lapper in a fine wire manufacturing facility.

That's not right.
:(

152 Kruk  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 12:03:02am

re: #104 Varek Raith

Yeah.
That's a warship needs.
A therapist.
And kids.
WTF Starfleet?

Star Fleet never built warships until the Borg Invasion. Even then, the prototype (the Defiant) got shelved once the Borg threat became less urgent, and didn't get taken out of mothballs till Starfleet encountered the Dominion.

BTW, Targert Practice, Worst of Both Worlds, is your nick related to the TNG episode where the Borg invaded (The Best of Both Worlds), or to it's Mirror universe couterpart short story (The Worst of Both Worlds)?

153 Gus  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 12:03:20am

re: #151 Varek Raith

That's not right.
:(

We practice a great deal of educational chauvinism in this country. I remember not too long ago they used to laugh at people getting their MDs from Mexico. Now, they're actively seeking doctors from all around the world. Did things change? I don't know.

My mom did get her BA in psychology from Rutgers and graduated in the top of her class.

154 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 12:03:34am

re: #150 Boogberg

I'm not freaking out, and I don't wear panties. And you know damn well I'm talking about your comment.

155 Targetpractice  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 12:06:25am

re: #152 Kruk

Star Fleet never built warships until the Borg Invasion. Even then, the prototype (the Defiant) got shelved once the Borg threat became less urgent, and didn't get taken out of mothballs till Starfleet encountered the Dominion.

Even then, they wouldn't call the Defiant a warship, but rather an "escort." Had to keep that thin veil that Starfleet was a scientific organization first, military second.

BTW, Targert Practice, Worst of Both Worlds, is your nick related to the TNG episode where the Borg invaded (The Best of Both Worlds), or to it's Mirror universe couterpart short story (The Worst of Both Worlds)?

Little of column A, little of column B.

156 Boogberg  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 12:07:10am

re: #154 Slumbering Behemoth

What term did I use that has you so upset?

157 Irenicum  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 12:08:10am

Just saw this on the twitter #tcot feed. This is what they're attracting. Disgusting.

ToddPalinSOS

i sure hope @DavidDuke2012 can join @glennbeck & @sarahpalinusa for the "let's take back the dream" on 8-28. good times! #tcot #teaparty

158 Irenicum  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 12:08:57am

Now I really am going to go to bed.

159 Varek Raith  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 12:09:04am

re: #152 Kruk

Star Fleet never built warships until the Borg Invasion. Even then, the prototype (the Defiant) got shelved once the Borg threat became less urgent, and didn't get taken out of mothballs till Starfleet encountered the Dominion.

BTW, Targert Practice, Worst of Both Worlds, is your nick related to the TNG episode where the Borg invaded (The Best of Both Worlds), or to it's Mirror universe couterpart short story (The Worst of Both Worlds)?

Yeah, I know the Starfleet weirdness when it comes to warships.
It's not a warship! Just a heavily armed explorer that can take on a battleship!
:)

160 Bagua  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 12:09:27am

Badman Time!

Sting 2002


- Ninja Man
161 Kruk  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 12:10:48am

re: #155 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Little of column A, little of column B.

Hah! That's sadistic and funny at the same time. Starfleet ships *were* target practice at Wolf 359.

Speaking of WTF, you're going into battle against the Borg and you keep the families on board? Great strategic thinking there, Emissary.

162 Boogberg  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 12:11:27am

re: #159 Varek Raith

Starfleet weapons are for defense only, you bastard.

163 Gus  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 12:12:06am

re: #155 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Little of column A, little of column B.

I watched Star Trek VIII: First Contact the other night and enjoyed it. Wasn't too crazy about the first Star Trek movie but at the time I thought it was better than Black Hole or later Dune. Nimoy was very unhappy with the first movie.

164 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 12:12:36am

re: #156 Boogberg

Do you have a reading comprehension problem? I am not upset, freaking out, nor do I have my undies in a twist. Hell, I didn't even down ding you. I was just asking a question.

Either these comments have racial slurs in them, or they do not.

#83
#129

165 Kruk  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 12:13:33am

re: #159 Varek Raith

Yeah, I know the Starfleet weirdness when it comes to warships.
It's not a warship! Just a heavily armed explorer that can take on a battleship!
:)

Heh. That's not a battleship. *This* is a battleship.

[Link: memory-alpha.org...]

166 Gus  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 12:13:34am

And you know what they said about the first Star Trek series. It was "Gunsmoke in space." :)

167 Targetpractice  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 12:15:06am

re: #161 Kruk

Hah! That's sadistic and funny at the same time. Starfleet ships *were* target practice at Wolf 359.

Speaking of WTF, you're going into battle against the Borg and you keep the families on board? Great strategic thinking there, Emissary.

The whole idea was that the Enterprise would separate, with the saucer section containing the families and civilians, while the battle section warped off to face the enemy. Small problem: the saucer section didn't have warp drive. In other words, the enemy could make mince-meat out of the battle section, then obliterate the saucer section at their leisure.

Not to mention that the writers got tired of taking valuable plot time away with separation sequences, hence why they dropped the whole idea and only brought it up during "dire" situations. And also why no ship since the Galaxy class has been equipped to carry families on anything more than a temporary basis.

168 Bagua  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 12:20:32am

They Don't Know


- Bounty Killer
169 Gus  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 12:21:11am

Check. Check 1, 2. Testing 1, 2, 3.

Good evening ladies and gentleman. My name is Bob Hope.

170 [deleted]  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 12:21:59am
171 Targetpractice  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 12:22:48am

re: #163 Gus 802

I watched Star Trek VIII: First Contact the other night and enjoyed it. Wasn't too crazy about the first Star Trek movie but at the time I thought it was better than Black Hole or later Dune. Nimoy was very unhappy with the first movie.

The reason that Trek ever became a film franchise and then new TV series boils down to two words: Star Wars. Paramount spent so much time and developed so many headaches trying to first create a movie and then a new series that they were prepared to pull the plug when Star Wars came out and convinced them to seek their own slice of the pie. Hence why the first movie is a convoluted mess that nobody was ever happy with.

172 Gus  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 12:26:04am

re: #171 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

The reason that Trek ever became a film franchise and then new TV series boils down to two words: Star Wars. Paramount spent so much time and developed so many headaches trying to first create a movie and then a new series that they were prepared to pull the plug when Star Wars came out and convinced them to seek their own slice of the pie. Hence why the first movie is a convoluted mess that nobody was ever happy with.

I never knew that. Sounds about right. Myself? I'll take any Star Trek series or movie over Star Wars on any given day.

173 Boogberg  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 12:30:17am

They released Star Wars to the Drive-ins first (I know because I managed one at the time). The studio thought it would flop. The drive-in thing was a test. The rest is history.

174 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 12:31:45am

re: #170 Boogberg

Over reacting? Are they racial slurs or not?

175 Boogberg  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 12:36:08am

re: #174 Slumbering Behemoth

Context.

176 Gus  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 12:39:43am

Well, I guess we all got serious all of the sudden.

177 Gus  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 12:40:50am
178 Varek Raith  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 12:42:30am

Later gators.

179 Boogberg  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 12:44:03am

re: #176 Gus 802

Wasn't my idea. Behemoth started it.

180 Bagua  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 12:45:14am

Sufferer


- Bounty Killer
181 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 12:45:47am

re: #175 Boogberg

Lame. Whatever.

182 Gus  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 12:46:45am

re: #179 Boogberg

Wasn't my idea. Behemoth started it.

Didn't mean you or that specifically. I even included myself thinking about Star Wars vs. Star Trek.

183 boxhead  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 12:49:15am

Kirk rules... Star Trek OG!!!!!

184 Gus  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 12:56:43am
185 Boogberg  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 1:01:33am

re: #184 Gus 802

I remember that song! :)

186 Gus  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 1:02:35am

re: #185 Boogberg

I remember that song! :)

Great song. She's still cute.

187 AK-47%  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 1:04:16am

re: #174 Slumbering Behemoth

Over reacting? Are they racial slurs or not?

Yes, they are. But they are also words that have to be taken in the context of the thread and the discussion. If you want points for a reflex reaction then consider yourself awarded.

Then go get upset at Mark Twain, Rudyard Kipling and most rappers, who used and use them with impunity.

188 Gus  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 1:04:26am
189 freetoken  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 1:08:37am

Chris Matthews takes on Republican candidate Barber from Alabama, on his ads (which were featured on LGF recently):

Ay...

190 Gus  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 1:17:39am

re: #189 freetoken

Chris Matthews takes on Republican candidate Barber from Alabama, on his ads (which were featured on LGF recently):

[Video]Ay...

Eek! He looks like he's auditioning for a part as George Wallace.

Fair tax sucks. It's higher then what we have now. If you're self employed you can get a lot of deductions. It's much lower. Fair tax is almost like a VAT.

They would never reduce prices on his alleged embedded tax. He's dreaming.

191 freetoken  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 1:20:53am

re: #190 Gus 802

I could feel some of my brain cells dying while watching that video.

What I need is some intellectual stimulation... oh, a little language practice ought to do that...

192 AK-47%  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 1:20:54am

It's a metaphor. We gather our political armies and take them out at the polling place. The guns are just there to get your attention.

193 Gus  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 1:27:27am

re: #191 freetoken

I could feel some of my brain cells dying while watching that video.

What I need is some intellectual stimulation... oh, a little language practice ought to do that...

He's a bullshit artist. First he says he was audited then he said he wasn't audited then he said he was audited once. This is Unicorn talk as you know. Some dumb House member won't ever be able to re-write the tax code or get rid of excise taxes, and other taxes that are out there. He talks like a stoner libertarian.

I was checked for his business records a couple of days ago. His billiard company got a $7,500 loan from the SBA. His computer "business" is one of those typical ponzi scheme computer consulting companies. Right now it's called Inline and I couldn't even find his name on the website.

But hey. If the stupid voters think that if they elect him he's going to "change the world" that's up to them. I'll say this though. The Tea Party candidates are worse and pretty damn brain dead even when you compare them with the standard Southern GOP members we see now. This guy is just an idiot.

194 Gus  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 1:29:30am

re: #191 freetoken

I could feel some of my brain cells dying while watching that video.

What I need is some intellectual stimulation... oh, a little language practice ought to do that...

Oops. Almost forgot. I love Japanese hotties.

195 freetoken  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 1:32:54am

re: #194 Gus 802

Oops. Almost forgot. I love Japanese hotties.

I only watch those things for the language listening practice...

196 Gus  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 1:33:27am

re: #195 freetoken

I only watch those things for the language listening practice...

Yep. Excuse me while I study the fabric. //

197 Boogberg  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 1:40:33am

re: #188 Gus 802

Carly Simon - You're So Vain (vinyl)


[Video]

That's a great song. I actually purchased a 45 single of this song:

198 Gus  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 1:59:26am

Must sleep.

199 ryannon  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 2:23:09am

re: #30 WindUpBird

More neon Countach

Neat.

200 ryannon  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 2:28:28am

re: #86 Irenicum

Is anybody ever sheveled?

Disheveled, yes. All the time.

201 sattv4u2  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 2:35:23am

re: #189 freetoken

Chris Matthews takes on Republican candidate Barber from Alabama, on his ads (which were featured on LGF recently):


[Video]Ay...

Unfortunately Matthews either doesn't know how the Fair Tax would work or worse, does know is tries to misrepresent it

202 ryannon  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 2:36:49am
203 sattv4u2  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 2:37:28am

re: #202 ryannon

Everyone get the fuck up and dance!

I'm not much of a dancer, so I guess I just get to fuck up!

204 ryannon  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 2:43:57am

re: #203 sattv4u2

I'm not much of a dancer, so I guess I just get to fuck up!

We all have our God-given talents.

205 sattv4u2  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 2:49:45am

Ultimate Fighting Championship president Dana White said that vuvuzelas — the beehive-sounding noisemakers — are being banned at MGM Grand in Las Vegas Saturday when heavyweight champion Brock Lesnar fights interim belt-holder Shane Carwin.

heh

206 ryannon  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 3:01:18am

Nearing lunchtime in the land of 365 cheeses. Over and out, BBL, and have a nice one, you red-eyes!

207 sattv4u2  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 4:08:27am

It's 7:00 a.m Eastern

Do you know where your Lizards are !?!?

208 fat bastard vegetarian  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 4:09:22am

re: #207 sattv4u2

It's 7:00 a.m Eastern

Do you know where your Lizards are !?!?

It's 7:09 a.m. Eastern.

Do you know what time it is?

209 sattv4u2  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 4:13:14am

re: #208 fat bastard vegetarian

It's 7:09 a.m. Eastern.

Do you know what time it is?

cake time!?!?

210 sattv4u2  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 4:14:03am

re: #208 fat bastard vegetarian

Just finished watching Fletch

STILL funny after all these years

211 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 4:16:52am

Morning Lizardim.

212 sattv4u2  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 4:19:00am

re: #211 thedopefishlives

Morning Lizardim.

Hidey Ho, neighbor

213 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 4:20:13am

Good Morning Viet Nam! LGF.

214 fat bastard vegetarian  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 4:21:01am

re: #210 sattv4u2

Did you read the Fletch books... So funny.

In the book he says that he goes by Fletch because his first name sounds like a "reluctant cheer".

215 sattv4u2  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 4:24:11am

re: #214 fat bastard vegetarian

Did you read the Fletch books... So funny.

In the book he says that he goes by Fletch because his first name sounds like a "reluctant cheer".

I've read a couple of them. I think there were about 6

216 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 4:28:11am

Morning Lizards.

The darling of the UNC professors is in the news again...

[Link: www.newsobserver.com...]

217 Taqyia2Me  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 4:31:18am

re: #216 rwdflynavy

Morning Lizards.

The darling of the UNC professors is in the news again...

[Link: www.newsobserver.com...]

I can feel the love and tenderness!
/

218 sattv4u2  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 4:37:49am

re: #216 rwdflynavy

Morning Lizards.

The darling of the UNC professors is in the news again...

[Link: www.newsobserver.com...]

She tried to destroy the lives of several young men, but SHE's the "victim"

oy!

219 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 4:39:08am

re: #216 rwdflynavy

Morning Lizards.

The darling of the UNC Duke professors is in the news again...

[Link: www.newsobserver.com...]


PIMF!

220 fat bastard vegetarian  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 4:41:35am

re: #219 rwdflynavy

I was reading and reading and reading and just didn't get it....

221 sattv4u2  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 4:44:37am

re: #219 rwdflynavy

PIMF!

we knew what/who you meant

(and I'm sure there were many UNC profs that were/are sympatheitic to her also)

222 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 4:55:41am

re: #220 fat bastard vegetarian

I was reading and reading and reading and just didn't get it...

Then let's sing it!

Duke, Duke, Duke, Duke of
Earl
, Duke, Duke, Duke of
Earl, Duke, Duke, Duke of
Earl, Duke, Duke, Duke of....

223 sattv4u2  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 4:58:46am

re: #220 fat bastard vegetarian

I was reading and reading and reading and just didn't get it...

“I can’t explain to you why I keep going through issues with domestic violence,” she said

neither does she!

Lets see. The boyfriends keep changing, but there's one constant in the equation!!!

224 ghazidor  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 4:59:42am
225 fat bastard vegetarian  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 5:00:24am

re: #223 sattv4u2

I just have so much love to give...

(translated, "I am a whirlpool of despair and trouble")

226 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 5:02:29am

re: #225 fat bastard vegetarian


I just have so much love to give...

(translated, "I am a whirlpool of despair and trouble")

New rotating title!!

227 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 5:05:39am

re: #225 fat bastard vegetarian


I just have so much love to give...

(translated, "I am a whirlpool of despair and trouble")

Love don't come easy...

228 sattv4u2  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 5:06:00am

re: #225 fat bastard vegetarian


I just have so much love to give...
, but if you cross me I do have a can of gas and a match!

ftfy

229 fat bastard vegetarian  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 5:06:37am

re: #224 ausador

heh

230 sattv4u2  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 5:09:47am

[Link: www.boston.com...]

CAMBRIDGE — Both Harvard University professor Henry Louis Gates Jr. and the police sergeant who arrested him last year were to blame for the high-profile dispute that followed, according to an independent panel’s report yesterday on a case that sparked a national discussion on racial profiling

"The Cambridge police acted ,, stupidly!"

231 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 5:12:36am

Morning lizards. It's been a good week. It's finally cooled down some and the work week is almost over. Also, I have two dogs in the house for a week. My mother and step-father are going out of town and I have their dog. It's fun two have two dogs for a while, and they're getting along well.

232 laZardo  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 5:13:30am

re: #225 fat bastard vegetarian


I just have so much love to give...

(translated, "I am a whirlpool of despair and trouble")

That's why mine is GE.

/also good evening

233 fat bastard vegetarian  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 5:14:29am

re: #230 sattv4u2

From the Department of Duh, as investigated by Captain Obvious.

234 fat bastard vegetarian  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 5:16:36am

re: #232 laZardo

Oh. I get it. I'm slow today.

235 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 5:16:59am

re: #232 laZardo

That's why mine is GE.

/also good evening

That's an interesting spin.

236 laZardo  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 5:17:39am

re: #235 Spare O'Lake

That's an interesting spin.

Just softening up the chat a little.

237 fat bastard vegetarian  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 5:18:08am

When I heard the above line originally, it was "black hole of despair"... I wisely edited it.

238 sattv4u2  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 5:19:32am

re: #231 Mad Al-Jaffee

Morning lizards. It's been a good week. It's finally cooled down some and the work week is almost over. Also, I have two dogs in the house for a week. My mother and step-father are going out of town and I have their dog. It's fun two have two dogs for a while, and they're getting along well.

We had always been a one (at a time) dog family until this past November

We had a 5-7 year old mixed terrier (Einstein,, about 14 lbs ,,, from a rescue agency,,, when we got him he was in pretty rough shape,, all white with clumps of hair missing except for a very prominent unruly tuft of it on his head ,, hence the name)

In November we adopted another one from a rescue agency. A West Highland Terrier (McDuff ,,, 2-4 years old ,, about 18 lbs)

Einstein was always a fairly happy dog, but he is absolutly THRILLED to have a "little brother"

239 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 5:20:00am

re: #236 laZardo

Just softening up the chat a little.

What a load!

240 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 5:20:38am

re: #236 laZardo

Just softening up the chat a little.

Seems to me you are just white-washing it.

241 sattv4u2  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 5:21:34am

re: #240 rwdflynavy

Seems to me you are just white-washing it.

You're going against the TIDE with that one!

242 Kruk  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 5:21:43am

From the "You've got to be kidding" file:

[Link: www.theroot.com...]

Fire 50 bullets into a car full of unarmed men, kill one of them, and then sue the dead guy's estate? Classy.

243 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 5:21:55am

re: #238 sattv4u2

Blitz is happy because she finally gets to be the alpha dog. When she's with my brother's dog (her best friend) she's always dominated. Now she's in charge. She sleeps on Annabelle's, bed, eats her food, steals her toys. She's loving life!

244 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 5:22:01am

re: #237 fat bastard vegetarian

When I heard the above line originally, it was "black hole of despair"... I wisely edited it.

As usual, you are a paragon of sensitivity and consideration.

245 Varek Raith  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 5:23:45am

re: #244 Spare O'Lake

As usual, you are a paragon of sensitivity and consideration.

Fuck you!
/
Morning!

246 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 5:23:49am

re: #241 sattv4u2

You're going against the TIDE with that one!

YOU LYE!!!!111!!!!

247 sattv4u2  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 5:24:22am

re: #246 rwdflynavy

YOU LYE!!!111!!!

well,, CHEERS to you too~!!

248 laZardo  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 5:24:41am

re: #239 Spare O'Lake

What a load!

Ouch, that's a tumbler.

249 Varek Raith  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 5:26:13am

re: #248 laZardo

Ouch, that's a tumbler.

You poor, delicate flower.

250 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 5:27:21am

re: #248 laZardo

Ouch, that's a tumbler.

Sorry, I didn't mean to hang you out to dry.

251 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 5:28:07am

re: #247 sattv4u2

well,, CHEERS to you too~!!

Great, you are making me SHOUT!

252 laZardo  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 5:29:19am

re: #250 Spare O'Lake

Sorry, I didn't mean to hang you out to dry.

Just let it blow in the wind.

253 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 5:29:43am

re: #250 Spare O'Lake

Sorry, I didn't mean to hang you out to dry.

Oh, go soak your head!

254 sattv4u2  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 5:29:48am

re: #251 rwdflynavy

Great, you are making me SHOUT!

Is that ALL you have?

255 Varek Raith  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 5:30:57am

re: #249 Varek Raith

You poor, delicate flower.

What, none of your washers has a delicate cycle?!
:P

256 Ericus58  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 5:31:20am

From the "Didn't see that one coming" files... if you fell off the turnip truck yesterday:

Cyprus police seek vanished Russian spy suspect

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

"NICOSIA, Cyprus – Cyprus authorities stepped up their search Thursday for the 11th alleged member of a Russian spy ring who vanished after skipping bail, but police refused to answer questions about why the suspect was granted bail in the first place.

Police spokesman Michalis Katsounotos said police have "no indications yet" that 54-year-old Christopher Robert Metsos has left the island or crossed over into its breakaway northern Turkish sector.

Metsos, who says he is Canadian, is wanted in the U.S. on charges that he supplied money to the spy ring that operated under deep cover in America's suburbs. He was arrested Tuesday in Cyprus as he tried to board a flight for Budapest, Hungary but a Cypriot judge freed him on euro27,000 ($33,000) bail. Metsos failed to show up Wednesday for a required meeting with police.

The police spokesman deflected criticism Thursday regarding Metsos' release by the Cypriot court.

"The nagging question of why he was released on bail is best posed to the court, not the police," Katsounotos told The Associated Press."

257 Varek Raith  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 5:32:06am

re: #256 Ericus58

From the "Didn't see that one coming" files... if you fell off the turnip truck yesterday:

Cyprus police seek vanished Russian spy suspect

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

"NICOSIA, Cyprus – Cyprus authorities stepped up their search Thursday for the 11th alleged member of a Russian spy ring who vanished after skipping bail, but police refused to answer questions about why the suspect was granted bail in the first place.

Police spokesman Michalis Katsounotos said police have "no indications yet" that 54-year-old Christopher Robert Metsos has left the island or crossed over into its breakaway northern Turkish sector.

Metsos, who says he is Canadian, is wanted in the U.S. on charges that he supplied money to the spy ring that operated under deep cover in America's suburbs. He was arrested Tuesday in Cyprus as he tried to board a flight for Budapest, Hungary but a Cypriot judge freed him on euro27,000 ($33,000) bail. Metsos failed to show up Wednesday for a required meeting with police.

The police spokesman deflected criticism Thursday regarding Metsos' release by the Cypriot court.

"The nagging question of why he was released on bail is best posed to the court, not the police," Katsounotos told The Associated Press."

Send 007.

258 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 5:32:58am

re: #255 Varek Raith

What, none of your washers has a delicate cycle?!
:P

That's a heavy duty pun.

259 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 5:33:00am

re: #252 laZardo

Just let it blow in the wind.

I really wish you'd just pre-treat me with the respect I deserve!!

260 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 5:34:33am

re: #259 rwdflynavy

I really wish you'd just pre-treat me with the respect I deserve!!

Someone needs to bleach this thread.

261 laZardo  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 5:35:25am

Brb have to make some food stains.

/dinner, you pervs. q;

262 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 5:35:39am

re: #260 Mad Al-Jaffee

Someone needs to bleach this thread.

Now you're really rubbing it in.

263 Kruk  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 5:36:05am

re: #256 Ericus58


Something I've been wondering about. Some of these spies apparently had small children. Were any of them American born? And if so, would children of agents of a foreign power have the same status as the children of foreign diplomats? (i.e not American citizens by birth?) The parents obviously don't have diplomatic immunity, so...?

264 sattv4u2  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 5:36:06am

re: #256 Ericus58

$20 says he's already sitting in a Dacha on the shores of the Black Sea getting de-briefed

265 Kruk  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 5:36:57am

re: #264 sattv4u2

$20 says he's already sitting in a Dacha on the shores of the Black Sea getting de-briefed

By Pussy Galore?

266 fat bastard vegetarian  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 5:45:36am

re: #256 Ericus58

Another one from the Department of "Duh".

267 sattv4u2  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 5:49:35am

re: #265 Kruk

By Pussy Galore?

As old as she must be by now, I'll bet I wouldn't mind!

(hell ,,as old as I am now , SHE might mind!!)

268 Kruk  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 5:50:36am

From the "not sure how this will work in practice" file

[Link: www.telegraph.co.uk...]

269 sattv4u2  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 5:52:16am

re: #268 Kruk

From the "not sure how this will work in practice" file

[Link: www.telegraph.co.uk...]

Dontchya just love the PC world we now live in!!

270 fat bastard vegetarian  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 5:56:29am

re: #269 sattv4u2

"Does this dress make me look fat?"
"Let me consult my government list of officially kind answers."

271 sattv4u2  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 5:58:20am

re: #270 fat bastard vegetarian

"Does this dress make me look fat?"
"Let me consult my government list of officially kind answers."

EGGGG-zaccly

272 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 5:59:51am

re: #270 fat bastard vegetarian

"Does this dress make me look fat?"
"

No, all of those cheeseburgers, pizza and ice cream you eat make you look fat!

273 fat bastard vegetarian  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 6:02:10am

re: #272 Mad Al-Jaffee

No, all of those cheeseburgers, pizza and ice cream you eat make you look fat!

It's your hips, not the dress.
And that's when the fight started...

274 sattv4u2  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 6:02:25am

re: #272 Mad Al-Jaffee

No, all of those cheeseburgers, pizza and ice cream you eat make you look fat!

from the article

partners who make such insults or threats of physical violence faces up to three years in prison and a €75,000 (£60,000) fine.

275 Kruk  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 6:02:44am

The headline is pretty silly, but I'm conflicted about laws like this. I like the idea of having ways to deal with pyschological violence, especially the repeated emotional abuse of a spouse or child. It's real and it does serious damage. What I'm not sure about is how it can be enforced. Domestic violence in general is hidden and occurs in private. It would be even harder to prove where there are no physical marks.

What I fear is that this will become like the defense of provacation, and be used by violent men as an excuse for their own actions. The "Men's Rights" movement already runs hard with the dubious idea that men and women perpetuate domestic violence equally. This could be used by an abuser to say that they themselves were responding to emotional violence.

276 sattv4u2  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 6:03:09am

re: #273 fat bastard vegetarian

It's your hips, not the dress.
And that's when the fight started. I started bleeding profusley from the nose..

ftfy

277 ghazidor  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 6:10:52am

Happy Zombie Day folks! In honor of this marvelous day instead of eating your brains I'll just post a song about it...


Currently on Scienceblogs;
Christina Pikas is a zombie doing reference searches.

Sharon Astyk is a zombie wondering about zombie infrastructure.

Greg Laden has always been a zombie, but now he's a zombie with bugs on his brain.

Grrlscientist has discovered that zombies like turtles.

Vince LiCata has determined that university administrators are zombies. Come back when you have something new to report, Vince.

The zombie PalMD has a surprising ally in Jenny McCarthy — she's fighting efforts to end the zombie pandemic.

Coturnix warns us that zombies are arrhythmic, so attacks day and night are likely.

Jason Goldman is a brain connoisseur, describing the rich table we find upon opening a convenient cranium.

Rhett Alain is modeling zombie behavior on his computer.

Zuska is a feminist zombie.

And of Course PZ has dressed his site up for the occasion...

278 Kruk  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 6:14:33am

re: #277 ausador

When the Zombies attack, we are so ****ed.

[Link: www.mathstat.uottawa.ca...]

279 sattv4u2  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 6:17:25am

re: #278 Kruk

When the Zombies attack, we are so ***ed.

[Link: www.mathstat.uottawa.ca...]

Not necessarily

If they attack us in France and they tell us we look fat they are in SO much trouble!!!
/

280 laZardo  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 6:18:59am
281 Kruk  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 6:19:50am

re: #279 sattv4u2

Or we could turn the Triffids lose on them:

[Link: blogs.brisbanetimes.com.au...]

282 sattv4u2  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 6:20:39am

re: #281 Kruk

Or we could turn the Triffids lose on them:

[Link: blogs.brisbanetimes.com.au...]

The Trouble With Triffids

(Star Trek reference!! kinda sorta)

283 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 6:21:36am

re: #277 ausador

They're invading in DC:

[Link: dcist.com...]

284 sattv4u2  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 6:22:43am

re: #283 Mad Al-Jaffee

They're invading in DC:

[Link: dcist.com...]

That they are

Image: henry-waxman-totally-looks-like-phantom-of-the-opera.jpg

285 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 6:23:37am

Republican Leadership Gets On Health Care Repeal Bill After Conservative Pressure


Key members of the House Republican leadership this week finally signed on to a measure that would effectively repeal health care reform -- after pressure from the ultra-conservative Club for Growth.
...
This strategy comes as the Republican base is pushing them more and more to fight what critics call "ObamaCare," while the general public is warming to the law. Another new poll yesterday adds to the trend that health care reform's popularity is on the rise.

Stupid.

286 Kruk  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 6:26:09am
287 laZardo  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 6:27:48am

Speaking of government, our new President got inaugurated yesterday.

I only cared about the fact that the light rail rides were free until 4 pm. :D

288 sattv4u2  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 6:28:34am

re: #286 Kruk

Speaking of stupid:

[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

and now, for the rest of the story

Republicans offered alternative bills that would have paid for extended benefits with unused stimulus funds. "The only reason the unemployment extension hasn't passed is because our friends on the other side have refused to pass a bill that doesn't add to the debt," Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) said after the vote

289 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 6:29:33am

re: #286 Kruk

Speaking of stupid:

[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

Yeah, I suspect there's going to be some backlash over that.

290 researchok  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 6:33:17am

OT:

A man who had been in a mental home for some years finally seemed to have improved to the point where it was thought he might be released.

The head of the institution, in a fit of commendable caution, decided, however, to interview him first.

“Tell me,” said he, “if we release you, as we are considering doing, what do you intend to do with your life?’

The inmate said, “It would be wonderful to get back to real life and if I do, I will certainly refrain from making my former mistake. I was a nuclear physicist, you know, and it was the stress of my work in weapons research that helped put me here. If I am released, I shall confine myself to work in pure theory, where I trust the situation will be less difficult and stressful.”

“Marvelous,” said the head of the institution.

“Or else,” ruminated the inmate. “I might teach. There is something to be said for spending one’s life in bringing up a new generation of scientists.”

“Absolutely,” said the head.

“Then again, I might write. There is considerable need for books on science for the general public. Or I might even write a novel based on my experiences in this fine institution.”

“An interesting possibility,” said the head.

“And finally, if none of these things appeals to me, I can always continue being Napoleon’s teakettle.”

291 Kruk  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 6:33:23am

re: #288 sattv4u2

*Now* they're worried about fiscal discipline? Funny how that didn't seem to bother them when the surplus Clinton left was squandered away by unfunded programmes, wars and tax cuts. But making sure unemployed people continue to pay for food and rent in the face the worst recession in decades is a bridge too far, apparently.

292 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 6:34:21am

re: #291 Kruk

*Now* they're worried about fiscal discipline? Funny how that didn't seem to bother them when the surplus Clinton left was squandered away by unfunded programmes, wars and tax cuts. But making sure unemployed people continue to pay for food and rent in the face the worst recession in decades is a bridge too far, apparently.

The chickens have come home to roost...bigtime.

293 sattv4u2  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 6:35:31am

re: #291 Kruk

{sigh}

Yeah ,, lets show how irresponsible the repubs were by TRIPLING the spending they did, the pikers!

294 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 6:35:38am

re: #290 researchok

Two cows are talking.

Cow 1: "Hey, did you hear about that mad cow disease?"
Cow 2: "Yeah, but I'm not worried about it."
Cow 1: "Why not?"
Cow 2: "I'm a duck."

295 laZardo  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 6:37:14am

re: #291 Kruk

*Now* they're worried about fiscal discipline? Funny how that didn't seem to bother them when the surplus Clinton left was squandered away by unfunded programmes, wars and tax cuts. But making sure unemployed people continue to pay for food and rent in the face the worst recession in decades is a bridge too far, apparently.

Republicans were never one for fiscal discipline. IIRC it was Clinton forcing THEM to make the surplus budget, not the other way around.

296 researchok  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 6:37:53am

re: #294 Mad Al-Jaffee

A guy had been feeling down for so long that he finally decided to seek the aid of a psychiatrist.

He went there, lay on the couch, spilled his guts then waited for the profound wisdom of the psychiatrist to make him feel better.

The psychiatrist asked a few questions, took some notes then sat thinking in silence for a few minutes with a puzzled look on his face.

Suddenly, he looked up with an expression of delight and said, “Um, I think your problem is low self-esteem. It is very common among losers.”

297 sattv4u2  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 6:38:14am

re: #295 laZardo

Republicans were never one for fiscal discipline. IIRC it was Clinton forcing THEM to make the surplus budget, not the other way around.

OR ,, it was Gingrichs congress forcing Clinton to submit a balanced budget!

(chicken/ egg)

298 Kruk  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 6:39:05am

re: #293 sattv4u2

{sigh}

Yeah ,, lets show how irresponsible the repubs were by TRIPLING the spending they did, the pikers!

The role of government spending is to smooth out the ups and downs of the economic cycle. In good times, you build a surplus (not say "Oh, the Government's hoarding our money! We need tax cuts now!") In bad times, you spend enough to keep people afloat till the economy pick ups. The Republicans got one half of that wrong by splurging like there was no tommorow in the good times, and now they seem intent on doubling down.

299 researchok  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 6:39:53am

Last one...

A doctor of psychology was doing his normal morning rounds when he entered a patient’s room. He found Patient #1 sitting on the floor, pretending to saw a piece of wood in half.

Patient #2 was hanging from the ceiling, by his feet.

The doctor asked patient number #1 what he was doing. The patient replied, “Can’t you see I’m sawing this piece of wood in half?”

The doctor inquired of Patient #1 what Patient #2 was doing. Patient #1 replied, “Oh. He’s my friend, but he’s a little crazy. He thinks he’s a light bulb.”

The doctor looks up and notices Patient #2’s face is going all red.

The doctor asks Patient #1, “If he’s your friend, you should get him down from there before he hurts himself”

Patient #1 replies, “What? And work in the dark?”

300 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 6:40:28am

Politicians wouldn't know how to balance a budget even if someone else's life depended on it.

301 sattv4u2  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 6:40:32am

re: #298 Kruk

The role of government spending is to smooth out the ups and downs of the economic cycle

ummm, no, it is not!

302 Kruk  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 6:40:40am

re: #297 sattv4u2

OR ,, it was Gingrichs congress forcing Clinton to submit a balanced budget!

(chicken/ egg)

Then why the blowout when Republicans controlled both the Congress and the White House?

303 Kruk  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 6:42:45am

re: #301 sattv4u2

The role of government spending is to smooth out the ups and downs of the economic cycle

ummm, no, it is not!

We tried that theory, remember? Trusting the markets to take care of themselves didn't work out so well.

304 sattv4u2  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 6:43:12am

re: #303 Kruk

We tried that theory, remember? Trusting the markets to take care of themselves didn't work out so well.

uh huh ,, like Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac!?!?

305 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 6:44:01am

re: #298 Kruk

The role of government spending is to smooth out the ups and downs of the economic cycle.

What is this "ups" of which you speak?

306 laZardo  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 6:44:39am

re: #302 Kruk

Then why the blowout when Republicans controlled both the Congress and the White House?

9/11?

307 Kruk  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 6:45:28am

re: #305 Spare O'Lake

What is this "ups" of which you speak?

Periods of economic growth, increased revenue, decresed need for welfare because more people are in jobs. I know, it's been so long ago I barely remember it myself.

308 Kruk  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 6:46:48am

re: #304 sattv4u2

uh huh ,, like Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac!?!?

Neither of whom created the property bubble or its subsequent meltdown.

309 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 6:47:33am

re: #299 researchok

From Alan Moore's Batman: The Killing Joke:

There were these two guys in a lunatic asylum... and one night, one night they decide they don't like living in an asylum any more. They decide they're going to escape! So, like, they get up onto the roof, and there, just across this narrow gap, they see the rooftops of the town, stretching away in the moon light... stretching away to freedom. Now, the first guy, he jumps right across with no problem. But his friend, his friend didn't dare make the leap. Y'see... Y'see, he's afraid of falling. So then, the first guy has an idea... He says "Hey! I have my flashlight with me! I'll shine it across the gap between the buildings. You can walk along the beam and join me!" B-but the second guy just shakes his head. He suh-says... He says "Wh-what do you think I am? Crazy? You'd turn it off when I was half way across!"

310 Kruk  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 6:48:21am

re: #306 laZardo

9/11?

The economic effects of 9/11 were fairly short-lived, and confined to a few industries (aviation and tourism, mostly.)

311 sattv4u2  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 6:49:45am

re: #308 Kruk

Neither of whom created the property bubble or its subsequent meltdown.


hahahaha,, thanks,, as I leave work after a 12 hour shift, I needed that

312 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 6:49:47am

re: #308 Kruk

Neither of whom created the property bubble or its subsequent meltdown.

Pass the bong, dude.
Would YOU lend money to someone who you know could never afford to pay you back unless you refinance them to do it?

313 laZardo  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 6:51:52am

re: #310 Kruk

The economic effects of 9/11 were fairly short-lived, and confined to a few industries (aviation and tourism, mostly.)

And then there was the War in Afghanistan...

314 Kruk  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 6:53:02am

re: #312 Spare O'Lake

Pass the bong, dude.
Would YOU lend money to someone who you know could never afford to pay you back unless you refinance them to do it?

Was anyone forcing people to do this refinancing? No. Taking on dodgy mortgages as investments, repackaging them as investments no-one had a clue about, and then selling them onto people who thought house prices would rise forever was all the work of the free market acolytes.

315 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 6:54:09am

The American Dream, Part II: Spend, don't save, keep borrowing, live for today and damn the torpedos.

316 Kruk  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 6:54:43am

re: #313 laZardo

And then there was the War in Afghanistan...

Which should have been properly financed from the get-go, by taxes or spending cuts in other areas, But taking on one war, starting another an year later, and doing it all on the credit card? Nuts.

317 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 6:55:29am

re: #314 Kruk

Was anyone forcing people to do this refinancing? No. Taking on dodgy mortgages as investments, repackaging them as investments no-one had a clue about, and then selling them onto people who thought house prices would rise forever was all the work of the free market acolytes.

Congress forced FM2 to do it.

318 KronoGhazi  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 6:55:45am

My Dogma Alert buzzer just went off.

319 Kruk  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 6:56:33am

re: #318 BigPapa

My karma just ran over your dogma, :)

320 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 6:56:35am

bbl

321 ryannon  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 6:58:13am

re: #314 Kruk

Was anyone forcing people to do this refinancing? No. Taking on dodgy mortgages as investments, repackaging them as investments no-one had a clue about, and then selling them onto people who thought house prices would rise forever was all the work of the free market acolytes.

You forgot the part about how they figured out a way to make money on the defaults as well.

322 laZardo  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 7:00:50am

re: #316 Kruk

Which should have been properly financed from the get-go, by taxes or spending cuts in other areas, But taking on one war, starting another an year later, and doing it all on the credit card? Nuts.

Hence, 9/11.

323 Kruk  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 7:03:50am

re: #321 ryannon

Not to mention getting bailed out because they were "too big to fail". Apparently the way corpratism (not capitalism) works is that you get to privatise profits and socialise losses. Personally, I think any operation that's too big to fail (which capitalism requires every now and then) should get the choice of being broken up or winding down.

324 Kruk  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 7:08:28am

Anyway, that's me for the day. Later, all.

325 sattv4u2  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 7:09:27am

re: #314 Kruk

Was anyone forcing people to do this refinancing

YES,,, Congress "forced" lending institutions to accept apps from non credit worthy applicants

326 laZardo  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 7:09:44am

re: #324 Kruk

Was about to ask exactly how big banks took a bigger fall than the smaller bad lending agencies, but have a great day anyway.

327 lawhawk  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 7:10:41am

re: #310 Kruk

I'd disagree since we're still dealing with the economics of 9/11 - higher security costs all around the country, increased expenditures on homeland security, etc. That doesn't mean that those costs aren't warranted - they are - but they aren't insignificant either.

328 laZardo  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 7:19:53am

Motherfucking maggots on this motherfucking plane!

Maggots falling from an overhead luggage locker have forced a US Airways flight to return to the gate at Atlanta airport.

"Bugs just began to fall out of the overhead compartment" causing panic on board, passenger Desiree Harrell was quoted as saying by Associated Press.

All the passengers were then asked to get off so crews could clean the plane.

The airline said a container of spoiled meat brought on by a passenger caused the delay of the flight to Charlotte.

SNIP

329 Decatur Deb  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 7:21:24am

The other day someone asked if there were Democrat versions of RINOs. This is a list of the Dems who voted down the unemployment extension. It would be a good place to look for them.

(Ripped from Democratic Underground)

John Adler (D-NJ)- still on autopilot
Brian Baird (D-WA)- willing to thumb his nose at voters since he's retiring
Melissa Bean (D-IL)- the Chamber of Commerce's go-to person inside the Democratic caucus
Marion Berry (Blue Dog-AR)
Bobby Bright (Blue Dog-AL)
Travis Childers (Blue Dog-MS)
Jim Cooper (Blue Dog-TN)
Joe Donnelly (Blue Dog-IN)
Stephanie Herseth Sandlin (Blue Dog-SD)
Baron Hill (Blue Dog-IN)
Frank Kratovil (Blue Dog-MD)
Betsy Markey (Blue Dog-CO)
Jim Marshall (Blue Dog-GA)
Walt Minnick (Blue Dog-ID)- only Democrat, in a manner of speaking, endorsed by both the U.S. Chamber and the Tea Party
Glenn Nye (Blue Dog-VA)- still on autopilot like Adler
Heath Shuler (Blue Dog-NC)

330 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 7:21:31am

re: #328 laZardo

Motherfucking maggots on this motherfucking plane!

SNIP

We claim this planet in the name of Mars! Isn't that lovely?

331 lawhawk  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 7:28:57am

Econ watch: Mixed news on manufacturing.

Here's the good news. Manufacturing appears to be growing, albeit slowly. The annualized rate would be 4.8% growth this year, if it holds.

The bad. It's much slower than anyone anticipated, and decelerated in the past month. New orders dropped significantly, and it doesn't look like there's any strength behind the sector - so watch for the annualized rate to drop when the next numbers are released.

Moreover, the data fell short of economists expectations. The economists continue missing the weakness in the economy, and I have to suspect that the experts are using wishful thinking in determining their numbers.

332 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 7:31:56am

Meanwhile in the Magic Kingdom....
Image: saudi-arabia-ss10.jpg

333 lawhawk  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 7:34:42am

Econ Watch, Part 2: Number of people signing contracts to buy homes drops to record levels.

The number of buyers who signed contracts to purchase homes tumbled in May, a sign the housing recovery can't survive without government incentives.

Punctuating the point, construction spending also fell in May amid a slump in home and commercial building.

The National Association of Realtors said Thursday its seasonally adjusted index of sales agreements for previously occupied homes dropped 30 percent in May from April. The index fell to 77.6 from 110.9. May's reading was the lowest dating back to 2001.

Memo to the idiots writing the stories and the politicians who listen to this "advice". The reason that the sales dropped is because sales were goosed because of the homeowner tax credits - robbing sales from one period to boost another period. Now that the credit is no longer available, the market shows the true state of affairs - a lack of buyers due to credit tightness, lack of funds, and general uncertainty in the market, sellers who can't sell because they're underwater and therefore have to short sell (a far more complex deal than a standard sale). New home sales have dropped off a cliff, and existing home sales aren't much better.

Together, it's setting up for a renewed correction in real estate prices in many parts of the country because there is little support for the current levels.

My advice to the Administration and Congress - do no harm. Do not extend the homeowner credit, which only helps people who are already seeking a home and are therefore more likely to shift sales to match the credit terms. Fight the urge to lower interest rates further (which when they rebound helps cause problems for people who can't afford the readjusted mortgage rates in ARMs). Let the market sort this out in an orderly fashion. It's going to be painful, but better that than spending billions and extending the pain out over an even longer period of time.

334 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 7:34:52am

re: #331 lawhawk

Moreover, the data fell short of economists expectations. The economists continue missing the weakness in the economy, and I have to suspect that the experts are using wishful thinking in determining their numbers.


Economists miss predictions so that's not terribly unusual. The economy is recovering faster that I thought it would. Last year it was starting to look like the end or the world.

335 laZardo  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 7:35:29am

re: #332 Killgore Trout

The wild Saudi platypus, long thought extinct, was spotted today preparing for courting season.

336 lawhawk  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 7:35:36am

re: #332 Killgore Trout

Well, they don't have to worry about getting stung by jellyfish, though they might get confused for one.

Still, that looks like a drowning hazard if you ask me.

337 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 7:38:04am

Drive-by post this morning:

Headline on foxnews.com that an editor really should have caught:

Unable to Eat Himself, Roger Ebert Pens Cookbook

There had to be a better way to say that.

338 Ericus58  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 7:39:55am

re: #331 lawhawk

Pending Home Sales at Record Low as Tax Credit Ends

[Link: www.cnbc.com...]

"Contracts for pending sales of previously owned homes plunged a record 30 percent in May, far more than expected, after a popular tax credit expired at the end of the prior month, a survey from the National Association of Realtors showed Thursday."
..........
"Meanwhile, U.S construction spending slid less than expected in May as declines in private-sector building overshadowed gains in public-funded construction, a government report showed Thursday.

Construction outlays fell 0.2 percent in the month to an annual rate of $841.9 billion, the Commerce Department said.

Analysts polled by Reuters were expecting a 0.8 percent drop. Private residential construction fell 0.4 percent after two months of gains, underscoring the setback to housing markets from the expiration of a popular tax credit."

I'm not expecting a Summer rally...

339 lawhawk  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 7:45:17am

re: #338 Ericus58

They're calling it a popular tax credit - even if thousands of people probably shouldn't have been eligible to take the credit, and that many others would have bought homes regardless of the credit's existence.

340 lawhawk  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 7:47:47am

re: #334 Killgore Trout

I've been following the data for a while, and it looks like they're continually off by about 8-10% to the upside (meaning that they are overestimating the strength in the economy). We keep seeing a similar story on the unemployment data too (and that's going to look bad to worse when the census workers stop getting counted among the hires and instead get counted among the unemployed).

341 fat bastard vegetarian  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 7:48:19am

re: #328 laZardo

Meat, BAD!

342 fat bastard vegetarian  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 7:51:35am

re: #339 lawhawk

IIRC, I remember reading that claiming the tax credit almost got you a 100% chance of an IRS Audit...

343 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 7:51:45am

Not sure if this has been posted, but D'oh!!
[Link: abcnews.go.com...]

344 fat bastard vegetarian  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 7:53:29am

re: #332 Killgore Trout

There are killer whales that love penguins... I hope they don't migrate...

345 Varek Raith  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 7:55:51am

Sup?

346 fat bastard vegetarian  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 7:56:01am

re: #336 lawhawk

Like swimming while wearing a pool tarp...

347 lawhawk  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 7:56:13am
348 reine.de.tout  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 7:56:36am

re: #340 lawhawk

I've been following the data for a while, and it looks like they're continually off by about 8-10% to the upside (meaning that they are overestimating the strength in the economy). We keep seeing a similar story on the unemployment data too (and that's going to look bad to worse when the census workers stop getting counted among the hires and instead get counted among the unemployed).

And worse still, when thousands of Gulf Coast residents are counted among the unemployed.

All I know is - in the past couple of weeks, my stocks have lost virtually all the value they had earned during the previous 2 years, and I'm about to be in negative territory.

So for me, the economy sucks.

349 Varek Raith  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 7:56:42am

re: #346 fat bastard vegetarian

Like swimming while wearing a pool tarp...

It's a wind sail!

350 prairiefire  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 7:59:06am

We watched "Shutter Island" this last weekend. Awful movie. Overwrought dialogue, bad soundtrack, Martin getting all jiggy with the CGI.

351 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 7:59:40am

re: #349 Varek Raith

It's a wind sail!

It's Riyadh's new defender of justice, Manta Ray Woman!

352 fat bastard vegetarian  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 8:00:22am

re: #351 Mad Al-Jaffee

We have a winner...

353 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 8:00:38am

re: #350 prairiefire

We watched "Shutter Island" this last weekend. Awful movie. Overwrought dialogue, bad soundtrack, Martin getting all jiggy with the CGI.

It's based on Dennis Lehane's worst book. I'm still curious about the movie since I read the book.

354 fat bastard vegetarian  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 8:01:25am

re: #350 prairiefire

Really? I didn't love it, (glad I saw it in a dollar theater) but, I was intrigued by the end. 5 out of 10 stars from me.

355 prairiefire  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 8:01:56am

re: #354 fat bastard vegetarian

2 stars from me.

356 Varek Raith  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 8:03:26am

re: #352 fat bastard vegetarian

We have a winner...

Yeah, kind of hard to top that.

357 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 8:04:34am

re: #348 reine.de.tout

Thanks for your oil spill updates in the pages. Very helpful.

359 reine.de.tout  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 8:07:05am

re: #357 Killgore Trout

Thanks for your oil spill updates in the pages. Very helpful.

I love that pages feature, just love love love it.

folks - help support LGF and the great features here!
Donate, subscribe or buy a cookbook or two!

360 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 8:09:14am

re: #358 Varek Raith

Looks hot... Like Mustafar...

361 Varek Raith  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 8:10:31am

re: #360 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Looks hot... Like Mustafar...

Just a tad...

...The planet is only 5 million years old, and the lingering heat from its formation keeps it at about 2,700°F...

362 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 8:10:59am

re: #359 reine.de.tout

I love that pages feature, just love love love it.

folks - help support LGF and the great features here!
Donate, subscribe or buy a cookbook or two!


How many have sold so far?

363 tnguitarist  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 8:11:10am

Crooks and Liar article

I link to this article because it lists the Klan's "agenda". With all the talk of Sharron Angle recently, it's interesting to note that even a racist hate-group believes that a woman should have the right to an abortion in the case of rape, incest, or a threat to the mother's life.

364 laZardo  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 8:11:22am

Also from Ynet... the Hamas World Cup might have been the news media's darling, which must have made this its (less evil?) alternate universe twin.

Some 350 Israeli, Palestinian and Jordanian children get together in annual one-day event. 'The mixed game gave me a feeling that we can begin to make peace and enjoy life through football,' one of [the] participants says.

Some 350 Israeli, Palestinian and Jordanian students aged 10 to 14 participated in a soccer tournament last week on the Wolfson-Chodorov soccer field in Holon.

The annual one-day event serves as a celebratory culmination to a year of activities and curriculum, Gal Peleg, Development Manager of Mifalot, told Ynetnews in a phone interview.

"The whole idea is for them to get to know each other, to break down stereotypes, and to informally get to know that the other side are not demons as it sometimes seems in the news," Peleg said.

SNIP

365 Four More Tears  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 8:17:43am

re: #361 Varek Raith

...The planet is only 5 million years old, and the lingering heat from its formation keeps it at about 2,700°F...

I'm picturing our planet sitting this one in its lap and saying, "You know, back in my day..."

366 deadletterboy  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 8:19:49am

This is some good stuff.
[Link: scienceblogs.com...]

367 laZardo  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 8:21:40am

re: #365 JasonA

Reminds me of that one episode of Invader Zim where he lands on Mars and finds a set of controls that turns the entire planet into a space cruiser.

He then decides to attack Earth with it and - I'm not making this up - gets as far as balancing Mars on some guy's soda can on a picnic table in a park.

368 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 8:21:47am

re: #366 deadletterboy

This is some good stuff.
[Link: scienceblogs.com...]

That's a very good link. You should add that to the pages section.

369 Decatur Deb  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 8:23:57am

re: #361 Varek Raith

Since it's so huge, incandescent, and far from its primary, is anyone suggesting this is a binary? (It's been 40 yrs since my Astro classes.)

370 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 8:24:17am

re: #348 reine.de.tout

Early signs of the double dip.

371 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 8:24:37am

Members of the Senate Judiciary Committee questioning Elena Kagan on Wednesday frequently found themselves in sharp disagreement with the U.S. Supreme Court nominee, who continued to resist attempts to define her views.

Kagan's strategy might have alienated at least one committee member, Sen. Arlen Specter, D-Pa., who left open the possibility he might vote against confirmation in protest.

In her second and final day of questioning, Kagan, like nominees before her, was unabashed in refusing to say how she would rule in cases. At several points, she relished the idea that her votes might be unpredictable, praising the independence of the late Justice Robert Jackson and noting that Justice Antonin Scalia often supports the rights of criminal defendants even though he's a conservative.

"For all judges, that should happen in their lives -- that their view of the law leads them in a direction where, if they were a legislator, they wouldn't have come out that way," Kagan said.

SNIP

372 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 8:25:45am

re: #371 MandyManners

Did you see my tadpole-frog pics yet?

373 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 8:25:55am

Gosh, that ship is biiig...

374 Varek Raith  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 8:26:39am

re: #373 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Gosh, that ship is biiig...

?

375 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 8:27:22am

re: #374 Varek Raith

The Whale... gonna sop up some earl...

377 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 8:29:45am

re: #358 Varek Raith

Meanwhile, poor Pluto...

[Link: cn1.kaboodle.com...]

378 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 8:32:27am

re: #372 Killgore Trout

Did you see my tadpole-frog pics yet?

Spitting image of you, Kilgore!

379 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 8:32:42am

re: #376 Decatur Deb

Would you like Arlen back? We're about done with him.

You can keep him.

380 Decatur Deb  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 8:35:02am

A ranking of Presidents, ripped from todays Moderate Voice. Lincoln holds up well, thank goodness.

[Link: themoderatevoice.com...]

381 Varek Raith  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 8:35:18am

re: #369 Decatur Deb

Since it's so huge, incandescent, and far from its primary, is anyone suggesting this is a binary? (It's been 40 yrs since my Astro classes.)

It's nearly 10 times further from its sun than Pluto is from ours.

382 reine.de.tout  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 8:36:53am

re: #362 Killgore Trout

How many have sold so far?

53.
I believe RWC is going to announce another "special" this weekend.
So hopefully . . . a few more will sell.

383 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 8:38:14am

re: #382 reine.de.tout

53.
I believe RWC is going to announce another "special" this weekend.
So hopefully . . . a few more will sell.

It's only fair to the newest registered lizards!

384 Decatur Deb  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 8:39:15am

re: #381 Varek Raith

It's nearly 10 times further from its sun than Pluto is from ours.

I'll need to go back to Kepler. IIRC we called anything that irradiated more than it received "star" or "star-like". Of course we knew of no young exoplanets.

385 Ericus58  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 8:40:33am

re: #376 Decatur Deb

Would you like Arlen back? We're about done with him.

*snicker*

386 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 8:40:43am

re: #378 MandyManners

;)

387 lawhawk  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 8:41:13am

re: #380 Decatur Deb

It's based on a ranking by 238 presidential scholars - academics - who are more likely than not on the left side of the political spectrum. I can sort of understand the overall rankings, but to give FDR near top marks on immigration? Sorry, I don't buy that - and I think some of the more recent presidents are being seen through the prism of the current immigration debate (which is about illegal aliens, and not quotas for legal immigration - as was the case for many of the earlier presidents).

388 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 8:41:20am

re: #375 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

The Whale... gonna sop up some earl...

I can't link it (dunno why) the story's on yahoo news. A tanker 4 football fields long, going into the gulf. Thing is massive.

389 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 8:42:09am

re: #382 reine.de.tout

53.
I believe RWC is going to announce another "special" this weekend.
So hopefully . . . a few more will sell.

Not great sales numbers but not too bad. The economy has been really tough. Keep plugging and I'll help as much as I can. I'm a pretty lousy salesman but I'll try.

390 allegro  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 8:42:36am

Deficits don't matter...

O'Neill said he tried to warn Vice President Dick Cheney that growing budget deficits-expected to top $500 billion this fiscal year alone-posed a threat to the economy. Cheney cut him off. "You know, Paul, Reagan proved deficits don't matter," he said, according to excerpts. Cheney continued: "We won the midterms (congressional elections). This is our due." A month later, Cheney told the Treasury secretary he was fired

But now it's such an important, over-riding issue that people's lives should be destroyed. Got it.

391 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 8:42:57am

re: #380 Decatur Deb

Obama is 15th. It's like giving him a Nobel or something...

392 Varek Raith  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 8:43:58am

re: #388 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I can't link it (dunno why) the story's on yahoo news. A tanker 4 football fields long, going into the gulf. Thing is massive.

That's a big ship.

393 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 8:45:36am

re: #392 Varek Raith

Gosh.

395 Decatur Deb  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 8:49:55am

re: #387 lawhawk

It's based on a ranking by 238 presidential scholars - academics - who are more likely than not on the left side of the political spectrum. I can sort of understand the overall rankings, but to give FDR near top marks on immigration? Sorry, I don't buy that - and I think some of the more recent presidents are being seen through the prism of the current immigration debate (which is about illegal aliens, and not quotas for legal immigration - as was the case for many of the earlier presidents).

I pretty much agree with it at first glance. I was glad to see TR score so well, and I was always sure somebody was worse than Pres GWB.

re: #391 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

They really shouldn't have included someone whose terms aren't up.

396 HappyBenghazi  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 8:54:32am

Surprised to see Monroe in the top ten. Not knocking Monroe of course but surprised given that a re-ranking is usually the result of scholarly re-evaluation and I haven't heard any about Monroe. Always enjoy looking at these rankings this all said.

397 allegro  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 8:55:42am

This is excellent news. Hopefully more states will pass similar legislation. This from Oregon:

New law prohibits credit history checks by most employers

Unsurprisingly...

The vote was divided near party lines with most House and Senate Republicans opposed.

398 Decatur Deb  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 8:55:49am

re: #396 HappyWarrior

Surprised to see Monroe in the top ten. Not knocking Monroe of course but surprised given that a re-ranking is usually the result of scholarly re-evaluation and I haven't heard any about Monroe. Always enjoy looking at these rankings this all said.

You get extra points if a VP nominee can remember a doctrine named for you.

399 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 8:56:21am

re: #380 Decatur Deb

From The Simpsons:

We are the mediocre presidents.
You won't find our faces on dollars or on cents!
There's Taylor, there's Tyler, there's Fillmore and there's Hayes.
There's William Henry Harrison, ``I died in thirty days!''
We... are... the... adequate, forgettable, occasionally regrettable
Caretaker presidents of the U-S-A!

400 Nervous Norvous  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 8:57:33am

Mornin' All...writing code and listening to Simon and Garfunkel...Hows about yous?

401 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 8:57:47am

re: #394 Varek Raith

World's largest ship.
Knock Nevis
Image: comparison_knock_nevis_with_other_large_buildings. png
Image: jahrevikingimagecreditdelphinemenard.png
Image: knocknevis.jpg

Why should I knock Nevis? What did he ever do to me?!

402 Nervous Norvous  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 8:58:19am

re: #401 Mad Al-Jaffee

Knock Nevis? Is that what you kids are calling it these days?

403 Decatur Deb  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 8:58:57am

re: #400 PT Barnum

Mornin' All...writing code and listening to Simon and Garfunkel...Hows about yous?

We've all gone to look for America.

404 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 8:59:05am

re: #400 PT Barnum

Mornin' All...writing code and listening to Simon and Garfunkel...Hows about yous?

Sound better than writing Simon & Garfunkel and listening to code.

405 lawhawk  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 8:59:10am

re: #401 Mad Al-Jaffee

Especially when it's such a pretty place.

406 albusteve  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 8:59:22am

Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Calif., the committee’s ranking member, has announced he will release a report later today on the oil spill response. It appears to bolster criticisms from both the Left and the Right that have rained down on the administration since this disaster began.

not good for the admin if true...look for the report


Read more at the Washington Examiner: [Link: www.washingtonexaminer.com...]

407 Varek Raith  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 8:59:47am

re: #406 albusteve

Hey Steve!

408 HappyBenghazi  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 9:00:00am

Funny presidential story but I always liked to joke that Rutherford B. Hayes resembled the snow shoveling neighbor in Home Alone. And then I took a class on the presidents last winter and I learned he was an all right president too. Real great class taught by Richard Norton Smith who has been the director of a few presidential libraries and has written books on figures like Thomas Dewey. Real nice guy and funny too.

409 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 9:01:46am

re: #400 PT Barnum

Mornin' All...writing code and listening to Simon and Garfunkel...Hows about yous?

Doing security changes and listening to The Talking Heads myself. :)

410 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 9:02:53am

re: #406 albusteve

It's alright, Steve... He's #15.

411 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 9:03:36am

re: #396 HappyWarrior

Surprised to see Monroe in the top ten. Not knocking Monroe of course but surprised given that a re-ranking is usually the result of scholarly re-evaluation and I haven't heard any about Monroe. Always enjoy looking at these rankings this all said.

Interesting to find Nixon in there and see that relative to his place in the list overalll he has decent to good ratings for domestic and foreign accomplishments. Effective at some things in spite of himself, or simply using whatever means to achieve an desired result?

412 Decatur Deb  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 9:05:34am

re: #387 lawhawk

It's based on a ranking by 238 presidential scholars - academics - who are more likely than not on the left side of the political spectrum. I can sort of understand the overall rankings, but to give FDR near top marks on immigration? Sorry, I don't buy that - and I think some of the more recent presidents are being seen through the prism of the current immigration debate (which is about illegal aliens, and not quotas for legal immigration - as was the case for many of the earlier presidents).

Had to go look at FDR/Immigration--seems pretty lackluster. It is probably some kind of halo effect from other accomplishments. I think Pres Ford got ripped off. Pardoning Nixon took more integrity than anything I've seen, and Ford should be higher than several above him.

413 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 9:06:04am

re: #363 tnguitarist

Crooks and Liar article

I link to this article because it lists the Klan's "agenda". With all the talk of Sharron Angle recently, it's interesting to note that even a racist hate-group believes that a woman should have the right to an abortion in the case of rape, incest, or a threat to the mother's life.

LOL.

Sharron Angle makes the Klan seem reasonable in comparison.

414 laZardo  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 9:06:24am

re: #411 oaktree

Interesting to find Nixon in there and see that relative to his place in the list overalll he has decent to good ratings for domestic and foreign accomplishments. Effective at some things in spite of himself, or simply using whatever means to achieve an desired result?

The torment of genius.

/read somewhere that it was Nixon that had the highest presidential IQ...

415 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 9:06:59am

Time for lunch. BBL

416 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 9:07:04am

re: #414 laZardo

It's very hard.
/

417 albusteve  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 9:07:17am

The International Union of Operating Engineers and the Laborers’ District Council of Chicago have voted to walk off the job Wednesday night leaving roadwork on the Eisenhower expressway stalled and travelers inconvenienced.
The union is demanding a 5 percent raise each of three years to come. Employers counter offered 1 percent. Currently workers make $35.20 an hour for the laborers and up to $45.10 for the operating engineers (machine operators).

[Link: canadafreepress.com...]

418 Dizzy  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 9:07:32am

Some unfortunate news, Michael Totten reports that Christopher Hitchens has cancer.

I would like to wish Mr. Hitchens a speedy recovery.

419 Nervous Norvous  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 9:07:43am

re: #409 oaktree

Doing security changes and listening to The Talking Heads myself. :)

Talking Heads used to be my favorite coding music, but I've mellowed over time

420 brennant  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 9:08:36am

re: #419 PT Barnum

If you ever get a chance to see David Burn - do it. Great show!

421 Varek Raith  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 9:09:08am

re: #419 PT Barnum

Talking Heads used to be my favorite coding music, but I've mellowed over time

Lol.
I listen to J-pop.
XD

422 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 9:09:25am

re: #414 laZardo

The torment of genius.

/read somewhere that it was Nixon that had the highest presidential IQ...

But he had a good Republican body. Flabby, pasty skin, riddled with phlebitis... ;)

423 Decatur Deb  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 9:10:32am

re: #417 albusteve

The International Union of Operating Engineers and the Laborers’ District Council of Chicago have voted to walk off the job Wednesday night leaving roadwork on the Eisenhower expressway stalled and travelers inconvenienced.
The union is demanding a 5 percent raise each of three years to come. Employers counter offered 1 percent. Currently workers make $35.20 an hour for the laborers and up to $45.10 for the operating engineers (machine operators).

[Link: canadafreepress.com...]

Their concrete will probably meet ASTM standards. how much did the CEO of AIG make per hour while sabotaging the economy?

424 Gus  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 9:11:26am

re: #406 albusteve

Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Calif., the committee’s ranking member, has announced he will release a report later today on the oil spill response. It appears to bolster criticisms from both the Left and the Right that have rained down on the administration since this disaster began.

not good for the admin if true...look for the report

Read more at the Washington Examiner: [Link: www.washingtonexaminer.com...]

Authored by Rep. Darrell Issa (R-CA). Let have a look at Rep. Issa's background:

Darrell Issa (R-CA) Criticism and controversy

Allegations of criminal involvement in early years

In 1971, Issa allegedly stole a Dodge sedan from an Army post near Pittsburgh. The allegation was made by a retired Army sergeant, and published in a 1998 newspaper article. Issa denied the allegation. No charges were filed. In 1972, Issa and his brother allegedly stole a red Maserati sports car from a car dealership in Cleveland. He and his brother were indicted for car theft, but the case was dropped. That same year, Issa was convicted in Michigan for possession of an unregistered gun. He received three months probation and paid a $204 fine.

On December 28, 1979, Issa and his brother allegedly faked the theft of Issa's Mercedes Benz sedan. Issa and his brother were charged for grand theft auto, but the case was dropped by prosecutors for lack of evidence. Later, Issa and his brother were charged for misdemeanors, but that case was not pursued by prosecutors. Issa accused his brother of stealing the car, and said that the experience with his brother was the reason he went into the car alarm business.

A day after a court order was issued, giving Issa control of automotive alarm company A.C. Custom over an unpaid $60,000 debt, Issa allegedly carried a cardboard box containing a handgun into the office of A.C. Custom executive, Jack Frantz, and told Frantz he was fired. In a 1998 newspaper article, Frantz said Issa had invited him to hold the gun and claimed extensive knowledge of guns and explosives from his Army service. In response, Issa said, "Shots were never fired. ... I don't recall having a gun. I really don't. I don't think I ever pulled a gun on anyone in my life."

Blackwater controversy

On February 7, 2007, during a hearing in which four mothers, wives, and daughters of four security guards killed in Iraq testified in front of the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, Issa made controversial remarks, implying that the hearing was partisan and insinuating that the women's testimony was written by their attorney. The families have sued North Carolina-based Blackwater USA, the company that employed their relatives as security guards, to gain information about the circumstances surrounding the men’s deaths, and to seek compensatory damages. Congresswoman Janice Schakowsky of Illinois lambasted Issa saying, "I also wanted to take exception to questions about who wrote this, first of all, because I think clearly the implication was that somehow these wonderful women could not possibly have written that wonderful, heartfelt testimony and that it took a lawyer in order to put it together and I resent that very much."

9/11 victims

In April 2008, Issa said that the federal government "just threw" buckets of cash at New York for the September 11, 2001 attacks "that had no dirty bomb in it, it had no chemical munitions in it." He went on: "I have to ask ... why the firefighters who went there and everybody in the city of New York needs to come to the federal government for the dollars versus this being primarily a state consideration."

425 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 9:11:49am

The green onions have been coming in for weeks, the cukes and banana peppers for a week and now the tomatoes are ripening!!! I love summer.

426 Nervous Norvous  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 9:13:07am

re: #424 Gus 802

But he is throwing bombs at Obama which makes steve's ODS go all tingly.

427 albusteve  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 9:13:10am

New report slams White House spill response

Rep. Darrell Issa’s (R-Calif.) report on the Gulf of Mexico oil spill is titled “How the White House Public Relations Campaign on the Oil Spill is Harming the Actual Clean-up.”

“The evidence on the ground suggests that the White House has been more focused on the public relations of this crisis than with providing local officials the resources they need to deal with it,” he said in a prepared statement.

seems like a big story to me....considering the epic scale of this disaster

[Link: thehill.com...]

428 Four More Tears  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 9:13:48am

Chris Matthews interviewed Rick Barber yesterday. "Are you a metaphor for a guy running for office or are you a real candidate?"

[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

429 HappyBenghazi  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 9:14:06am

re: #411 oaktree

Interesting to find Nixon in there and see that relative to his place in the list overalll he has decent to good ratings for domestic and foreign accomplishments. Effective at some things in spite of himself, or simply using whatever means to achieve an desired result?


God this is an interesting question and I researched his domestic policies for a research paper in the same presidential class I mentioned earlier. Nixon's so complicated for me. He was a self made guy and I always admire that and I would have approved of many of his policies but he was unlikable and paranoid as hell too. His memoirs were fascinating though. He talked about how when the Germans invaded the Soviet Union, he supported the Soviets which I found interesting given that many in public office those days including Truman just wanted them to destroy each other.

430 albusteve  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 9:14:16am

re: #424 Gus 802

yes, the messenger...but it will all come out sooner or later

432 Decatur Deb  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 9:15:36am

re: #428 JasonA

Chris Matthews interviewed Rick Barber yesterday. "Are you a metaphor for a guy running for office or are you a real candidate?"

[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

Ya don't call a God-fearin', well-armed Alabama politician a Metro-phore.

433 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 9:16:27am

re: #428 JasonA

Chris Matthews interviewed Rick Barber yesterday. "Are you a metaphor for a guy running for office or are you a real candidate?"

[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

Chris Matthews is a fucking Prog tool.

434 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 9:16:38am

re: #424 Gus 802

Heh... y'all have been working on that, huh. Pretty quick, there.

435 laZardo  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 9:16:43am

re: #421 Varek Raith

Lol.
I listen to J-pop.
XD

There was a time when even J-Pop was good. ):

436 albusteve  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 9:16:50am

re: #426 PT Barnum

But he is throwing bombs at Obama which makes steve's ODS go all tingly.

no comment on the story?...if a blurb is posted about the cleanup it will certainly involve BO....you can unbunch your undies

437 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 9:17:06am

re: #433 MandyManners

Chris Matthews is a fucking Prog tool.

Lol you adorable little McCarthyite.

438 Gus  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 9:17:38am

re: #417 albusteve

The International Union of Operating Engineers and the Laborers’ District Council of Chicago have voted to walk off the job Wednesday night leaving roadwork on the Eisenhower expressway stalled and travelers inconvenienced.
The union is demanding a 5 percent raise each of three years to come. Employers counter offered 1 percent. Currently workers make $35.20 an hour for the laborers and up to $45.10 for the operating engineers (machine operators).

[Link: canadafreepress.com...]

Good for them. It's nice to see that some people are making a very decent living wage in this age of grown men being payed millions of doallars a year to bounce a rubber ball up and down a basketball court.

Interesting author there. Warrner Todd Huston -- conservative activist. Looks like he has a columns at the Teabagger site Renew America and NewsBusters. He also blogs for those creeps ovr at Stop the ACLU. Par for the course though being that he's a wingnut.

439 wrenchwench  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 9:18:25am

re: #433 MandyManners

Downding for the use of the word "tool".

440 Gus  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 9:18:31am

re: #434 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Heh... y'all have been working on that, huh. Pretty quick, there.

Albusteve and I had this planned all along.

//

441 albusteve  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 9:19:23am

re: #438 Gus 802

Good for them. It's nice to see that some people are making a very decent living wage in this age of grown men being payed millions of doallars a year to bounce a rubber ball up and down a basketball court.

Interesting author there. Warrner Todd Huston -- conservative activist. Looks like he has a columns at the Teabagger site Renew America and NewsBusters. He also blogs for those creeps ovr at Stop the ACLU. Par for the course though being that he's a wingnut.

so the story is bunk?...could be, to wait and see

442 Four More Tears  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 9:19:58am

re: #433 MandyManners

Chris Matthews is a fucking Prog tool.

Please, tell us how you really feel.

443 Nervous Norvous  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 9:20:01am

re: #436 albusteve

no comment on the story?...if a blurb is posted about the cleanup it will certainly involve BO...you can unbunch your undies

I don't give Issa much credibility. He's proven time and time again, that he's a partisan hack.

444 Decatur Deb  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 9:20:36am

re: #439 wrenchwench

Downding for the use of the word "tool".

What? Half upding for "Prog", half for "fucking".

445 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 9:20:56am

re: #425 MandyManners

The green onions have been coming in for weeks, the cukes and banana peppers for a week and now the tomatoes are ripening!!! I love summer.

Lucky you! My tomatoes are still just a few inches high. I have some peas and carrots doing well and the beans are starting to grow. I'm placing my gardening hopes this year on fall crops like squash.

446 Gus  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 9:21:16am

re: #436 albusteve

no comment on the story?...if a blurb is posted about the cleanup it will certainly involve BO...you can unbunch your undies

I would like to note for the record that I didn't direct any ad hominem towards Albusteve. I merely posted what I felt to be relevant and that was it. Not a peep about Albusteve.

Yet his immediate rebuttal to me is:

unbunch your undies

447 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 9:22:27am

re: #446 Gus 802

He's just looking out for your anus. Hemorrhoids are serious business.

448 Nervous Norvous  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 9:22:33am

re: #446 Gus 802

I would like to note for the record that I didn't direct any ad hominem towards Albusteve. I merely posted what I felt to be relevant and that was it. Not a peep about Albusteve.

Yet his immediate rebuttal to me is:

unbunch your undies

that's just how he rolls...tries to give you a wedgie and then asks you why you have one.

449 Nervous Norvous  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 9:23:36am

re: #447 Fozzie Bear

He's just looking out for your anus. Hemorrhoids are serious business.

Uranus? Out past Saturn, isn't it? Covered by large gas clouds? Has big rings around it?

450 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 9:24:07am

re: #449 PT Barnum

Orbited by klingons.

451 wrenchwench  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 9:24:24am

re: #444 Decatur Deb

What? Half upding for "Prog", half for "fucking".

I'm on record as opposed to the use of the word "tool" as an insult.

452 Nervous Norvous  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 9:25:20am

re: #450 Fozzie Bear

Orbited by klingons.

I got nothin'

453 Ericus58  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 9:26:39am

re: #424 Gus 802

Issa is a weasel. Fact.
Does the merits of the report stand on their own?

454 albusteve  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 9:27:36am

re: #448 PT Barnum

that's just how he rolls...tries to give you a wedgie and then asks you why you have one.

I post these stories for their interest or controvercy....they don't necessarily reflect my point of view...I post them to stimulate debate and so folks can give an opinion...attacking me every morning for posting them seems more important than the issues themselves...but I'm still going to post what I consider worthy....you can do the same if you want, but you won't run me off with your continuous belittling

455 Decatur Deb  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 9:27:55am

re: #451 wrenchwench

I'm on record as opposed to the use of the word "tool" as an insult.

That Plumb makes you sound like a King Dick.

456 lawhawk  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 9:29:28am

Fix the broken immigration system. Yes, the system is broken. Everyone knows that it's broken. So what are we to do to "fix" it?

Speaking to lawmakers, academics, and community leaders gathered at American University, Obama touted his plan by stressing the immeasurable contributions that immigrants have made to the United States, and the frequent discrimination they faced throughout history. "Immigrants have always helped to build and defend this country," Obama said.

Obama also put the onus on Republicans to pass a comprehensive immigration law, saying Congress cannot pass it without GOP votes. "That is the political and mathematical reality," he said.

While Obama's plan would include a path to citizenship as well as tighter borders, its chances for passage in Congress don't appear to be great.

Congressional Republicans, and some Democrats, said the government should focus on better law enforcement better moving on to such things as guest worker programs. In the meantime, lawmakers who are already grappling with new Wall Street regulations and an energy bill are also looking at congressional elections only four months from tomorrow.

Legal immigrants have helped build and defend the country - that's not and hasn't been the problem confronting the country these days. It's about the illegal immigrants. It's about border control and enforcing the laws already on the books. Throwing more laws on the books and poor/inadequate enforcement means that the problem continues.

Some kind of pathway for making illegal immigrants status legal is going to happen, but how to make that happen while giving preference to those who legally came to the US and are seeking citizenship through the current channels is the problem.

To me, amnesty is a non starter because it disincentivizes people coming to the US via legal channels. Why bother going through the hoops if you can cross the border, start up a life here and a few years down the road be given the rights of citizenship or legal resident.

I'd support some kind of fee/penalty, application, and pathway to legal residency - from which citizenship can then follow (if following all the guidelines during that legal residency period). Those who do not pay the fees/penalties, do not fulfill the terms of the application and then the legal residency requirements should be deported (as is and should be current immigration law practice).

457 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 9:29:31am

re: #445 Killgore Trout

Lucky you! My tomatoes are still just a few inches high. I have some peas and carrots doing well and the beans are starting to grow. I'm placing my gardening hopes this year on fall crops like squash.

My butternut's coming along nicely.

458 albusteve  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 9:30:38am

spill payouts...

CNSNews.com) – The man who will administer the claims process for individuals and businesses seeking compensation from the $20 billion fund established by BP in the wake of its oil rig explosion and ongoing spillage said he will follow federal immigration and tax laws when deciding the eligibility of claimants, meaning he will not make payments to people who are not legally authorized to work in the United States.

another facet of a growing and complex problem

[Link: www.cnsnews.com...]

459 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 9:31:45am

re: #456 lawhawk

Those who do not pay the fees/penalties, do not fulfill the terms of the application and then the legal residency requirements should be deported (as is and should be current immigration law practice).

What's to stop them from coming back?!

460 Decatur Deb  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 9:31:58am

re: #456 lawhawk

Can we start collecting this sort of assessment into a page, for some future thread dedicated to solutions/strategies instead of "whinings"?

461 Decatur Deb  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 9:32:21am

re: #457 MandyManners

My butternut's coming along nicely.

Is that what they're calling...

462 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 9:32:24am

re: #451 wrenchwench

I'm on record as opposed to the use of the word "tool" as an insult.

I get your point, Chris King makes some beautiful stuff.

463 wrenchwench  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 9:32:49am

re: #455 Decatur Deb

That Plumb makes you sound like a King Dick.

?

464 Decatur Deb  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 9:33:49am

re: #463 wrenchwench

?

Two great old US and British tool companies.

465 Gus  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 9:34:28am

re: #453 Ericus58

Issa is a weasel. Fact.
Does the merits of the report stand on their own?

Maybe yes and maybe no. However, according to the "headline" thinkers apparently it's a foregone conclusion: it's Obama's fault. I don't think we need a master in psychology to assume that given that Issa is Republican that this "report" will be biased against the administration.

466 blueraven  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 9:35:12am

re: #454 albusteve

I post these stories for their interest or controvercy...they don't necessarily reflect my point of view...I post them to stimulate debate and so folks can give an opinion...attacking me every morning for posting them seems more important than the issues themselves...but I'm still going to post what I consider worthy...you can do the same if you want, but you won't run me off with your continuous belittling

You post to stimulate debate? Then why the personal attacks when someone posts a counter position?

467 albusteve  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 9:38:51am

re: #466 blueraven

You post to stimulate debate? Then why the personal attacks when someone posts a counter position?

when did I do that?

468 Decatur Deb  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 9:39:01am

re: #463 wrenchwench
King Dick Bicycle Wrench
[Link: www.tias.com...]

469 albusteve  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 9:40:48am

re: #465 Gus 802

Maybe yes and maybe no. However, according to the "headline" thinkers apparently it's a foregone conclusion: it's Obama's fault. I don't think we need a master in psychology to assume that given that Issa is Republican that this "report" will be biased against the administration.

if the report is biased and inaccurate, the it and Issa should be shredded

470 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 9:49:53am

re: #469 albusteve

if the report is biased and inaccurate, the it and Issa should be shredded

If? You are acting incredibly credulous for someone who knows exactly who Darrel Issa is. Confirmation bias is the only reasonable explanation for why "this seems like a big story" to you.

471 albusteve  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 9:50:50am

re: #470 goddamnedfrank

If? You are acting incredibly credulous for someone who knows exactly who Darrel Issa is. Confirmation bias is the only reasonable explanation for why "this seems like a big story" to you.

poor frank...wrong again

472 book&page  Thu, Jul 1, 2010 9:52:14pm

Geez! I step outside for a long (4 years, Charles?) breath of air and come back to find I'm STILL the mayor of the DeadThread. Todd has always had issues, but he is one helluva! singer/songwriter/guitarist/producer/engineer/ (OK, what am I leaving out?... oh yeah) performer! Anybody still have Nazz LP's? I do! And I can't see a thing til you open my eyes! PS - Hey Nonic, you still around?


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