Overnight Music: Todd Rundgren, ‘Past’
Our overnight music: a beautiful live performance of “Past” from Todd Rundgren’s 2004 album Liars.
Our overnight music: a beautiful live performance of “Past” from Todd Rundgren’s 2004 album Liars.
4 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Jun 30, 2010 10:26:59pm |
re: #1 SiouxpedUp
Dangerously close to breaking rule #3:
Posts that contain phone numbers, street addresses, email addresses or other personal information will also be deleted, as will posts that consist only of a variation on the word, "First!"
Welcome to LGF. Sooo, what's your story?
5 | freetoken Wed, Jun 30, 2010 10:27:32pm |
Alex is still churning away, even though now inland, south of Brownsville:
[Link: radar.weather.gov...]
6 | windsagio Wed, Jun 30, 2010 10:28:51pm |
So whats the first half of the weeks LGF news? Anything exciting?
7 | SiouxpedUp Wed, Jun 30, 2010 10:29:22pm |
r: #4 Slmbrng Bhmth
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Chck ths n t by Tdd!!
9 | Spare O'Lake Wed, Jun 30, 2010 10:32:05pm |
11 | Gus Wed, Jun 30, 2010 10:34:07pm |
re: #4 Slumbering Behemoth
Dangerously close to breaking rule #3:
Welcome to LGF. Sooo, what's your story?
Too late. He's been BBQ'd.
12 | Charles Johnson Wed, Jun 30, 2010 10:34:09pm |
A 'first' post and a Rick Astley video. This one is of the species Trollus Lamus.
15 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Jun 30, 2010 10:36:33pm |
re: #12 Charles
I'll wager it was one that has had many sock-puppet attempts here before.
17 | Drogheda Wed, Jun 30, 2010 10:40:49pm |
Disemvoweling? Something new? Can't recall seeing that before.
18 | Gus Wed, Jun 30, 2010 10:41:37pm |
Just watched Silence of the Lambs. The first one. Interesting to see the old technology devices from around 1991. It had the old AT&T phones. Kodak Instamatics. The old fax machines.
19 | Boogberg Wed, Jun 30, 2010 10:43:09pm |
re: #12 Charles
A 'first' post and a Rick Astley video. This one is of the species Trollus Lamus.
This sucks. I don't want to be underneath two blocked people. Make me first! :D
20 | Spare O'Lake Wed, Jun 30, 2010 10:44:12pm |
re: #17 Drogheda
Disemvoweling? Something new? Can't recall seeing that before.
Gd nght flks, gtt gt sm shty.
Hppy Cnd Dy!
21 | Drogheda Wed, Jun 30, 2010 10:46:44pm |
re: #18 Gus 802
You just had to mention the year didn't you? That's one of the things that really makes me feel older. Seeing what year movies I liked a lot came out and then doing the math. Makes me wonder where the time went.
22 | Gus Wed, Jun 30, 2010 10:50:08pm |
re: #21 Drogheda
You just had to mention the year didn't you? That's one of the things that really makes me feel older. Seeing what year movies I liked a lot came out and then doing the math. Makes me wonder where the time went.
Yeah. It get worse as you get older when instead of thinking about movies you look in the mirror and notice something on your face, eyes, teeth or hair that you never noticed before. Followed by the muttering of "oh my, I'm getting old."
I don't know the exact explanation or if it's based on personal lifestyle but to me it seem the older one gets the faster time seems to fly -- it's almost and exponential acceleration.
23 | AK-47% Wed, Jun 30, 2010 10:50:16pm |
re: #21 Drogheda
You just had to mention the year didn't you? That's one of the things that really makes me feel older. Seeing what year movies I liked a lot came out and then doing the math. Makes me wonder where the time went.
I remember watching Star Wars and wondering how long it would take until it looked aged like Buck Rogers in the 30's or Lost in Space in the 60's...but it has stood up well over the years, probably because it set the standard by which other space travel movies are made.
25 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Jun 30, 2010 10:52:18pm |
re: #24 Boogberg
Samuel L. Jackson is cool. I liked him in "Unbreakable".
That's my favorite Shymalan film!
26 | Targetpractice Wed, Jun 30, 2010 10:52:37pm |
re: #18 Gus 802
Just watched Silence of the Lambs. The first one. Interesting to see the old technology devices from around 1991. It had the old AT&T phones. Kodak Instamatics. The old fax machines.
Hell, any movie more than 10 years old seems like looking through a time capsule to me. Even Star Trek is looking downright antiquated these days, or at least not much more than a few years away.
27 | Gus Wed, Jun 30, 2010 10:53:34pm |
re: #23 ralphieboy
I remember watching Star Wars and wondering how long it would take until it looked aged like Buck Rogers in the 30's or Lost in Space in the 60's...but it has stood up well over the years, probably because it set the standard by which other space travel movies are made.
Yeah, Silence of the Lambs still seemed rather contemporary save for a few social or gender (female FBI agent) cues. On the gender it was based on the scene with the local sheriffs and Jodie Foster.
28 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Jun 30, 2010 10:54:17pm |
re: #26 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Hell, any movie more than 10 years old seems like looking through a time capsule to me. Even Star Trek is looking downright antiquated these days, or at least not much more than a few years away.
I love 80's futurism. I LOVE IT SO MUCH. Wedge shaped cars that all look like slammed Lotus Esprits and Deloreans, digital dashboards. 80's cyberpunk, the far future with 8-bit computers, so awesome :D
29 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Jun 30, 2010 10:55:24pm |
I WOULD DO THIS TO MY CAR SO FAST except that I'd be pulled over and given a ticket and that would be that :D
30 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Jun 30, 2010 10:56:00pm |
31 | Gus Wed, Jun 30, 2010 10:56:24pm |
re: #26 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Hell, any movie more than 10 years old seems like looking through a time capsule to me. Even Star Trek is looking downright antiquated these days, or at least not much more than a few years away.
Especially with special effects. I still prefer the more diverse ages of the old casting. I mean, how can it be "Star Trek" without at least Leonard Nimoy? OK, Patrick Stewart grew on me over the years.
32 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Jun 30, 2010 10:57:09pm |
re: #31 Gus 802
Especially with special effects. I still prefer the more diverse ages of the old casting. I mean, how can it be "Star Trek" without at least Leonard Nimoy? OK, Patrick Stewart grew on me over the years.
Spock showed up in Next Gen for a few episodes!
33 | Boogberg Wed, Jun 30, 2010 10:57:35pm |
re: #25 WindUpBird
What is it with Shymalan? All of his movies kick ass.
34 | Gus Wed, Jun 30, 2010 10:57:39pm |
re: #32 WindUpBird
Spock showed up in Next Gen for a few episodes!
You know he's retired from acting? I think it's this month.
35 | Varek Raith Wed, Jun 30, 2010 10:58:21pm |
Flying car production rolls forward
Morning.
Not much sleep.
Ah well.
37 | Gus Wed, Jun 30, 2010 10:59:24pm |
re: #35 Varek Raith
Flying car production rolls forward
Morning.
Not much sleep.
Ah well.
That will bring new meaning to a fender bender. "Damn, I just got into a wing bender!"
39 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:00:18pm |
re: #29 WindUpBird
40 | Varek Raith Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:00:38pm |
re: #38 windsagio
Heh, they keep freakin' trying >>
Flying cars are so history.
Space cars are were it's at!
41 | Varek Raith Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:00:56pm |
42 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:01:23pm |
44 | Targetpractice Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:02:15pm |
re: #28 WindUpBird
I love 80's futurism. I LOVE IT SO MUCH. Wedge shaped cars that all look like slammed Lotus Esprits and Deloreans, digital dashboards. 80's cyberpunk, the far future with 8-bit computers, so awesome :D
My favorite part about 80s futurism: The perpetual Soviet Union. Of all the predictions that they got wrong, believing that the USSR would last into the next century, if not for centuries afterwards, is just downright hilarious.
46 | Varek Raith Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:03:00pm |
re: #39 Slumbering Behemoth
...Sweet
Oh, and did I mention that each bike comes with a Tron helmet? And that you'll be able to watch yours be built on YouTube?
47 | Varek Raith Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:04:43pm |
re: #45 windsagio
Teleportation booths, imo.
Old but awesome.
When physicists teleported photons for the first time in 1997 they had to destroy the photons to be sure that the teleportation had been successful. Now a team at the University of Vienna has managed to teleport photons without destroying them. Jian-Wei Pan and colleagues believe that their method could be the next step towards long-distance quantum communication
49 | Gus Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:05:44pm |
re: #45 windsagio
Teleportation booths, imo.
I watched a Nimoy interview a couple of nights ago. According to him they came up with teleportation in order to avoid the costs and trouble of creating a landing scene for the Enterprise which wouldn't have looked very good anyway. So instead of landing it became two shots and a simple special effect on the film: two to beam down Scotty!
50 | windsagio Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:05:56pm |
re: #47 Varek Raith
I wanna try to wrap my mind around 'teleporting photons WHILE destroying them' >>
51 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:06:46pm |
52 | Targetpractice Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:07:07pm |
re: #34 Gus 802
You know he's retired from acting? I think it's this month.
Just acted his last part recently, in the season finale of Fringe.
53 | windsagio Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:09:27pm |
54 | Gus Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:09:42pm |
re: #52 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Just acted his last part recently, in the season finale of Fringe.
Read about that. LATimes had a video of him at some event. He's almost 79 years old and his voice isn't what it used to be.
56 | Gus Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:13:34pm |
re: #53 windsagio
[Video](depressive college rock)
"Indy Rock" /
Never heard of them. Looked them up and that guy is 43 years old. They've been around for a while I guess.
57 | Targetpractice Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:15:35pm |
re: #49 Gus 802
I watched a Nimoy interview a couple of nights ago. According to him they came up with teleportation in order to avoid the costs and trouble of creating a landing scene for the Enterprise which wouldn't have looked very good anyway. So instead of landing it became two shots and a simple special effect on the film: two to beam down Scotty!
They had to make a lot of changes to the series over the years to not only keep on budget, but to keep the execs happy. Nothing seemed to frustrate Roddenberry more than changing his series to please TPTB. Which is alright, because when they started up the movie franchise and then The Next Generation, the writers got so fed up with him that the execs turned around and told them not to pay too much attention to what he was saying.
58 | windsagio Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:16:31pm |
re: #56 Gus 802
The wtf is somewhat rhetorical, I know them well, and all their songs are like that.
You just always wonder why people like that keep going.
59 | windsagio Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:18:39pm |
re: #56 Gus 802
Wait I'm confused again: "Indy rock" vs "college rock" =?
60 | Gus Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:18:47pm |
re: #58 windsagio
The wtf is somewhat rhetorical, I know them well, and all their songs are like that.
You just always wonder why people like that keep going.
They make a living perhaps while enjoying themselves? You remember The Apples? They were starting up around 1990 and were my neighbors back then. They got a bit popular for a while there but finally broke up. Robert was last doing children's music but still playing away.
61 | Varek Raith Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:19:23pm |
re: #59 windsagio
Wait I'm confused again: "Indy rock" vs "college rock" =?
Way too many genres of music.
:/
62 | Gus Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:19:57pm |
re: #59 windsagio
Wait I'm confused again: "Indy rock" vs "college rock" =?
Oh nothing. When you said depressive it reminded me of conversation I was having with my brother when he brought up depressing Indy rock. We're not that familiar with the distinction being that we're both about 50.
64 | Boogberg Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:20:46pm |
re: #57 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Well it was still his idea. They acknowledged as much on TNG when he died.
65 | windsagio Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:20:59pm |
re: #60 Gus 802
no thats not quite what I mean.
If you listen to the Mountain goats alot, either they enjoy anguish something fierce, or their writer has some serious issues.
Serious. Issues.
66 | windsagio Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:21:35pm |
re: #61 Varek Raith
I freakin' love that convo tho', I used to play something for WUB and be like 'is this deathmetal, doomcore, or stoner doom?'
Mad fun game :D
67 | Gus Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:21:38pm |
re: #65 windsagio
no thats not quite what I mean.
If you listen to the Mountain goats alot, either they enjoy anguish something fierce, or their writer has some serious issues.
Serious. Issues.
Ah. We used to call that "angst."
68 | windsagio Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:22:20pm |
re: #67 Gus 802
Fair enough, I guess its like complaining after listening to "Broken" >>
69 | Targetpractice Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:23:07pm |
re: #64 Boogberg
Well it was still his idea. They acknowledged as much on TNG when he died.
True. But look at the first season and then the other six seasons afterward. After the weak first season, they put Gene in the "exec producer" seat, unleashed the writers, and turned the series around. The man was a good story writer, no doubt about that, but he was also a bit too much of an idealist.
70 | Varek Raith Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:23:23pm |
re: #63 Gus 802
50! Gadzooks! I'm doomed. ;)
We're all doomed.
We delude ourselves to think that our pitiable band will stand up to our enemies.
Life is so hollow.
Oh, what is the point?
Our quest is vain.
Let us save our effort and just lie down and die!
I'll do what I can, but expect very little.
With you around, I almost feel that we have a chance!
Sunrise! And I'm amazed we live to see another day!
Onward, to futility!
I surely shall collapse from exhaustion before I fall on the battlefield.
The bluster of the city makes me feel... insignificant.
-THE GREAT XAN!
71 | windsagio Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:23:34pm |
72 | Gus Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:23:50pm |
re: #68 windsagio
Fair enough, I guess its like complaining after listening to "Broken" >>
Or something by Nirvana?
73 | Gus Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:25:18pm |
re: #70 Varek Raith
We're all doomed.
We delude ourselves to think that our pitiable band will stand up to our enemies.
Life is so hollow.
Oh, what is the point?
Our quest is vain.
Let us save our effort and just lie down and die!
I'll do what I can, but expect very little.
With you around, I almost feel that we have a chance!
Sunrise! And I'm amazed we live to see another day!
Onward, to futility!
I surely shall collapse from exhaustion before I fall on the battlefield.
The bluster of the city makes me feel... insignificant.
-THE GREAT XAN!
Hey, I'm in a disheveled stage right now. I finally have a beard, long hair that needs some "work", and I don't care what I wear.
74 | windsagio Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:25:27pm |
re: #72 Gus 802
True enough! I think I just like the dichotomy between the cheery sounding music and the dreadful depression of hte lyrics :D
75 | windsagio Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:26:22pm |
re: #74 windsagio
For instance:
(being spammy I know, been a while since I've talked to anyone who could really talk back >>)
76 | Varek Raith Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:27:13pm |
re: #73 Gus 802
Hey, I'm in a disheveled stage right now. I finally have a beard, long hair that needs some "work", and I don't care what I wear.
Damn!
I'm 26 and I'm already there!
77 | Gus Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:27:21pm |
re: #74 windsagio
True enough! I think I just like the dichotomy between the cheery sounding music and the dreadful depression of hte lyrics :D
Depressing is good in art. It's like a painting that either conveys happiness or sorrow and everything in between. Like they say it's about life.
80 | Irenicum Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:29:08pm |
re: #77 Gus 802
Gus, saw your Lambs reference at the top of the thread. Don't know if you saw this earlier, but I thought you'd appreciate it.
81 | Irenicum Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:29:52pm |
re: #78 Varek Raith
Explorer? What's this strange thing you call Explorer?
82 | Mardukhai Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:30:01pm |
Just watched an episode of The Flash, a TV show of the early 90s. It looks so dated, especially the awful computer graphics.
84 | Varek Raith Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:30:49pm |
re: #81 Irenicum
Explorer? What's this strange thing you call Explorer?
Just normal Windows Explorer.
Not the Internet Explorer.
:)
85 | Gus Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:30:53pm |
re: #76 Varek Raith
Damn!
I'm 26 and I'm already there!
Hair is funny. Being that it determines how people interact with you. I noticed that when I had long hair and got a flat top then went back again. Now with the beard it's like there's a society of beard guys that suddenly acknowledge you.
87 | Gus Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:31:16pm |
re: #80 Irenicum
Gus, saw your Lambs reference at the top of the thread. Don't know if you saw this earlier, but I thought you'd appreciate it.
[Video]
That's what inspired me to watch it.
88 | Varek Raith Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:31:38pm |
re: #85 Gus 802
Hair is funny. Being that it determines how people interact with you. I noticed that when I had long hair and got a flat top then went back again. Now with the beard it's like there's a society of beard guys that suddenly acknowledge you.
I noticed that...
Beard Society!
89 | Gus Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:32:14pm |
90 | Mardukhai Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:33:32pm |
Roddenberry was also something of an anti-Semite. Not a hater, just afraid of Jews. I knew a rabbi who worked with him on that fear. He never really got over it, and Star Trek never had a Jewish character despite its Jewish actors.
91 | Irenicum Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:33:54pm |
I just discovered Tea Party Jesus tonight. Amazing stuff!
92 | Mardukhai Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:34:36pm |
The John Beard Society -- an organization of conspiratorial chefs.
93 | Gus Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:34:44pm |
re: #86 Irenicum
Is anybody ever sheveled?
dishevel
late 14c., from O.Fr. deschevele, pp. of descheveler "to disarrange the hair," from des- "apart" (see dis-) + chevel "hair," from L. capillus "hair."
95 | Gus Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:35:46pm |
re: #92 Mardukhai
The John Beard Society -- an organization of conspiratorial chefs.
Yeah, and all the Mustache Guys™ used to become firemen.
Which came first? The mustache or the fireman?
/
96 | Targetpractice Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:35:57pm |
re: #83 Boogberg
Yea but it was his idealism that was the essence of Star Trek. Good v Bad and all that. A black chick kissing a white dude? Nigga please.
The problem was being too idealistic. Humanity having given up all its vices and sins, Starfleet being purely peaceful, episodes being thinly veiled and badly executed Aesop-style fables, etc. Oh, and Riker with no beard, all was definitely not right with the universe.
97 | Gus Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:36:17pm |
98 | Varek Raith Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:36:29pm |
re: #96 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
The problem was being too idealistic. Humanity having given up all its vices and sins, Starfleet being purely peaceful, episodes being thinly veiled and badly executed Aesop-style fables, etc. Oh, and Riker with no beard, all was definitely not right with the universe.
Lol.
Indeed.
99 | Mardukhai Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:37:03pm |
re: #86 Irenicum
Is anybody ever "ruly" as opposed to "unruly"?
100 | Gus Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:37:53pm |
re: #96 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
The problem was being too idealistic. Humanity having given up all its vices and sins, Starfleet being purely peaceful, episodes being thinly veiled and badly executed Aesop-style fables, etc. Oh, and Riker with no beard, all was definitely not right with the universe.
Oh. Yeah it would sometimes turn into a one hour therapy session with what's her face.
101 | Irenicum Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:38:24pm |
Star Trek is a great commentary on the mindset and the social issues of that time. Oh and it was also cool to see the women Kirk would bang.
102 | Bagua Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:38:24pm |
103 | Varek Raith Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:38:59pm |
re: #99 Mardukhai
Is anybody ever "ruly" as opposed to "unruly"?
"Inflammable means flammable?! What a country!"
-Dr. Nick
104 | Varek Raith Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:39:42pm |
re: #100 Gus 802
Oh. Yeah it would sometimes turn into a one hour therapy session with what's her face.
Yeah.
That's a warship needs.
A therapist.
And kids.
WTF Starfleet?
105 | Irenicum Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:39:46pm |
I also always wanted to start a club and call it the Den of Iquity.
106 | Mardukhai Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:40:21pm |
re: #94 Irenicum
I'm also into being gruntled.
Being disgruntled implies that someone or something has taken away your gruntle.
I wonder what is done with gruntle after a person has been disgruntled? Is it kept somewhere?
107 | Gus Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:40:27pm |
re: #99 Mardukhai
Is anybody ever "ruly" as opposed to "unruly"?
This link is handy for the curious...
[Link: www.etymonline.com...]
Ruly (now archaic) used to mean "amenable to rule."
108 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:40:36pm |
re: #97 Gus 802
I dream of being franchised.
It takes some doing, but I have managed to become combobulated on several occasions.
109 | AK-47% Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:40:54pm |
re: #99 Mardukhai
Is anybody ever "ruly" as opposed to "unruly"?
I know people who are nonchalant but nobody has ever called me "chalant"
110 | Gus Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:41:07pm |
re: #105 Irenicum
I also always wanted to start a club and call it the Den of Iquity.
The Lair of Lasciviousness, Inequity and Wine Bar!
111 | Targetpractice Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:41:37pm |
re: #90 Mardukhai
Roddenberry was also something of an anti-Semite. Not a hater, just afraid of Jews. I knew a rabbi who worked with him on that fear. He never really got over it, and Star Trek never had a Jewish character despite its Jewish actors.
Roddenberry seemed to have a problem with religion, period. His original plot for what became The Motion Picture was basically a two-hour long stomping on of religion, with the source of all major religious figures from Noah to Christ being an ultra-advanced alien probe that had taken a passing fancy to humanity thousands of years ago.
No surprise that Paramount killed that idea dead without a second glance.
112 | AK-47% Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:42:03pm |
re: #103 Varek Raith
"Inflammable means flammable?! What a country!"
-Dr. Nick
No, there is a distinction: "inflammable" means it can burst into flame spontaneously, "flammable" means it has to be ignited.
113 | Gus Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:42:06pm |
re: #108 Slumbering Behemoth
It takes some doing, but I have managed to become combobulated on several occasions.
Befriended! Why not just cut out the "be" and make it "friended"?
114 | Mardukhai Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:42:54pm |
Always wondered who was pro-disestablishmentarianism.
115 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:42:59pm |
re: #113 Gus 802
Befriended! Why not just cut out the "be" and make it "friended"?
Have you not heard of Facebook?
116 | AK-47% Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:43:42pm |
re: #113 Gus 802
Befriended! Why not just cut out the "be" and make it "friended"?
That is now a verb in Facebook parlance, to "friend", and the opposite, to "defriend".
117 | Varek Raith Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:43:53pm |
re: #112 ralphieboy
No, there is a distinction: "inflammable" means it can burst into flame spontaneously, "flammable" means it has to be ignited.
Killjoy.
:P
118 | Gus Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:43:53pm |
re: #112 ralphieboy
No, there is a distinction: "inflammable" means it can burst into flame spontaneously, "flammable" means it has to be ignited.
Inequity, injustice, etc.
120 | AK-47% Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:44:34pm |
121 | Mardukhai Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:44:51pm |
Befriended is still befuddled.
Never been fuddled, although it sounds rather pleasant.
123 | Gus Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:45:22pm |
124 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:46:53pm |
re: #121 Mardukhai
There's a place downtown where for 50 buck...
125 | Irenicum Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:47:01pm |
re: #122 Varek Raith
Me too. My father was an English prof and my mom wrote poetry, so my love for language, especially the English language's foibles, is totally genetic.
126 | Bagua Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:47:38pm |
127 | Mardukhai Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:48:29pm |
re: #119 Irenicum
Fenistration.
It implies throwing someone into a building through a window. Sounds pointless.
128 | AK-47% Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:48:43pm |
130 | Irenicum Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:48:53pm |
re: #114 Mardukhai
The irony of that word is that it's still an important term, considering the wingnuts who are trying to say that the founders didn't believe in the separation of church and state.
131 | Gus Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:48:58pm |
132 | Mardukhai Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:49:59pm |
re: #125 Irenicum
My father was a poet and a journalist, and I swore
I would be neither. I became a journalist, God help
me.
133 | Gus Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:50:05pm |
re: #128 ralphieboy
You mean capable of spontaneous flouncation?
The opposite.
Hmm, how about beflounced?
ex. SiouxpedUp beflounced himself.
134 | Varek Raith Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:50:12pm |
re: #125 Irenicum
Me too. My father was an English prof and my mom wrote poetry, so my love for language, especially the English language's foibles, is totally genetic.
My mom's a speech-language pathologist. I learned very quickly the proper way to speak.
:)
135 | Irenicum Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:50:22pm |
re: #131 Gus 802
And here in the back we have the Fuddle Room, where you can befuddled all night long.
137 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:50:43pm |
138 | AK-47% Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:50:50pm |
re: #130 Irenicum
The irony of that word is that it's still an important term, considering the wingnuts who are trying to say that the founders didn't believe in the separation of church and state.
It's not a matter of separation, it is a mater of abolishing the state altogether and replacing it with religion. That is what lies behind Islamism, dominionism and even lies at the root of Communism ("the withering away of the state") except without the religion part.
139 | Gus Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:51:20pm |
re: #135 Irenicum
And here in the back we have the Fuddle Room, where you can befuddled all night long.
Didn't Muddy Waters sing that?
She fuddlled me all night long baby.
She fuddled me all, night long...
142 | AK-47% Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:52:03pm |
re: #139 Gus 802
Didn't Muddy Waters sing that?
She fuddlled me all night long baby.
She fuddled me all, night long...
Get your West and Wewaxation in the Elmer Fuddle Room.
143 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:52:44pm |
re: #129 Boogberg
Dude. WTF is it with the racial slurs tonight?
144 | Targetpractice Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:53:23pm |
re: #129 Boogberg
So he didn't hate Heebs then?
He apparently had disdain for religion in general, which is why you pretty much never saw any examples of it in Star Trek prior to his death. Whether he had particularly didn't like one religion over others, I can't say. Never read that far into it.
145 | Mardukhai Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:54:28pm |
re: #143 Slumbering Behemoth
He's referring to my comment about anti-Semitism.
147 | Irenicum Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:56:14pm |
re: #146 Mardukhai
Same here. G'nite Lizards and Lizardettes.
148 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Jun 30, 2010 11:58:12pm |
re: #145 Mardukhai
It is my understanding that it is a derogatory slur. If that's true, I do not see the need to use it in the convo in question.
149 | Gus Thu, Jul 1, 2010 12:00:18am |
re: #134 Varek Raith
My mom's a speech-language pathologist. I learned very quickly the proper way to speak.
:)
My mom was a teachers assistant and pre-med in Argentina. By the time she applied to Rutgers for psychology she already knew how to speak Spanish obviously, French, and English. Later she learned German. Rutgers basically ignored her education experience from Argentina. We were rather bitter about that at the time. But yeah, in this "great land of opportunity" she spend most of working days as a die lapper in a fine wire manufacturing facility.
150 | Boogberg Thu, Jul 1, 2010 12:00:32am |
re: #143 Slumbering Behemoth
Let's not freak out here. What supposed racial slur has your panties in a twist?
151 | Varek Raith Thu, Jul 1, 2010 12:01:17am |
re: #149 Gus 802
My mom was a teachers assistant and pre-med in Argentina. By the time she applied to Rutgers for psychology she already knew how to speak Spanish obviously, French, and English. Later she learned German. Rutgers basically ignored her education experience from Argentina. We were rather bitter about that at the time. But yeah, in this "great land of opportunity" she spend most of working days as a die lapper in a fine wire manufacturing facility.
That's not right.
:(
152 | Kruk Thu, Jul 1, 2010 12:03:02am |
re: #104 Varek Raith
Yeah.
That's a warship needs.
A therapist.
And kids.
WTF Starfleet?
Star Fleet never built warships until the Borg Invasion. Even then, the prototype (the Defiant) got shelved once the Borg threat became less urgent, and didn't get taken out of mothballs till Starfleet encountered the Dominion.
BTW, Targert Practice, Worst of Both Worlds, is your nick related to the TNG episode where the Borg invaded (The Best of Both Worlds), or to it's Mirror universe couterpart short story (The Worst of Both Worlds)?
153 | Gus Thu, Jul 1, 2010 12:03:20am |
re: #151 Varek Raith
That's not right.
:(
We practice a great deal of educational chauvinism in this country. I remember not too long ago they used to laugh at people getting their MDs from Mexico. Now, they're actively seeking doctors from all around the world. Did things change? I don't know.
My mom did get her BA in psychology from Rutgers and graduated in the top of her class.
154 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Jul 1, 2010 12:03:34am |
re: #150 Boogberg
I'm not freaking out, and I don't wear panties. And you know damn well I'm talking about your comment.
155 | Targetpractice Thu, Jul 1, 2010 12:06:25am |
re: #152 Kruk
Star Fleet never built warships until the Borg Invasion. Even then, the prototype (the Defiant) got shelved once the Borg threat became less urgent, and didn't get taken out of mothballs till Starfleet encountered the Dominion.
Even then, they wouldn't call the Defiant a warship, but rather an "escort." Had to keep that thin veil that Starfleet was a scientific organization first, military second.
BTW, Targert Practice, Worst of Both Worlds, is your nick related to the TNG episode where the Borg invaded (The Best of Both Worlds), or to it's Mirror universe couterpart short story (The Worst of Both Worlds)?
Little of column A, little of column B.
156 | Boogberg Thu, Jul 1, 2010 12:07:10am |
re: #154 Slumbering Behemoth
What term did I use that has you so upset?
157 | Irenicum Thu, Jul 1, 2010 12:08:10am |
Just saw this on the twitter #tcot feed. This is what they're attracting. Disgusting.
ToddPalinSOS
i sure hope @DavidDuke2012 can join @glennbeck & @sarahpalinusa for the "let's take back the dream" on 8-28. good times! #tcot #teaparty
159 | Varek Raith Thu, Jul 1, 2010 12:09:04am |
re: #152 Kruk
Star Fleet never built warships until the Borg Invasion. Even then, the prototype (the Defiant) got shelved once the Borg threat became less urgent, and didn't get taken out of mothballs till Starfleet encountered the Dominion.
BTW, Targert Practice, Worst of Both Worlds, is your nick related to the TNG episode where the Borg invaded (The Best of Both Worlds), or to it's Mirror universe couterpart short story (The Worst of Both Worlds)?
Yeah, I know the Starfleet weirdness when it comes to warships.
It's not a warship! Just a heavily armed explorer that can take on a battleship!
:)
160 | Bagua Thu, Jul 1, 2010 12:09:27am |
161 | Kruk Thu, Jul 1, 2010 12:10:48am |
re: #155 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Little of column A, little of column B.
Hah! That's sadistic and funny at the same time. Starfleet ships *were* target practice at Wolf 359.
Speaking of WTF, you're going into battle against the Borg and you keep the families on board? Great strategic thinking there, Emissary.
162 | Boogberg Thu, Jul 1, 2010 12:11:27am |
re: #159 Varek Raith
Starfleet weapons are for defense only, you bastard.
163 | Gus Thu, Jul 1, 2010 12:12:06am |
re: #155 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Little of column A, little of column B.
I watched Star Trek VIII: First Contact the other night and enjoyed it. Wasn't too crazy about the first Star Trek movie but at the time I thought it was better than Black Hole or later Dune. Nimoy was very unhappy with the first movie.
164 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Jul 1, 2010 12:12:36am |
165 | Kruk Thu, Jul 1, 2010 12:13:33am |
re: #159 Varek Raith
Yeah, I know the Starfleet weirdness when it comes to warships.
It's not a warship! Just a heavily armed explorer that can take on a battleship!
:)
Heh. That's not a battleship. *This* is a battleship.
[Link: memory-alpha.org...]
166 | Gus Thu, Jul 1, 2010 12:13:34am |
And you know what they said about the first Star Trek series. It was "Gunsmoke in space." :)
167 | Targetpractice Thu, Jul 1, 2010 12:15:06am |
re: #161 Kruk
Hah! That's sadistic and funny at the same time. Starfleet ships *were* target practice at Wolf 359.
Speaking of WTF, you're going into battle against the Borg and you keep the families on board? Great strategic thinking there, Emissary.
The whole idea was that the Enterprise would separate, with the saucer section containing the families and civilians, while the battle section warped off to face the enemy. Small problem: the saucer section didn't have warp drive. In other words, the enemy could make mince-meat out of the battle section, then obliterate the saucer section at their leisure.
Not to mention that the writers got tired of taking valuable plot time away with separation sequences, hence why they dropped the whole idea and only brought it up during "dire" situations. And also why no ship since the Galaxy class has been equipped to carry families on anything more than a temporary basis.
169 | Gus Thu, Jul 1, 2010 12:21:11am |
Check. Check 1, 2. Testing 1, 2, 3.
Good evening ladies and gentleman. My name is Bob Hope.
171 | Targetpractice Thu, Jul 1, 2010 12:22:48am |
re: #163 Gus 802
I watched Star Trek VIII: First Contact the other night and enjoyed it. Wasn't too crazy about the first Star Trek movie but at the time I thought it was better than Black Hole or later Dune. Nimoy was very unhappy with the first movie.
The reason that Trek ever became a film franchise and then new TV series boils down to two words: Star Wars. Paramount spent so much time and developed so many headaches trying to first create a movie and then a new series that they were prepared to pull the plug when Star Wars came out and convinced them to seek their own slice of the pie. Hence why the first movie is a convoluted mess that nobody was ever happy with.
172 | Gus Thu, Jul 1, 2010 12:26:04am |
re: #171 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
The reason that Trek ever became a film franchise and then new TV series boils down to two words: Star Wars. Paramount spent so much time and developed so many headaches trying to first create a movie and then a new series that they were prepared to pull the plug when Star Wars came out and convinced them to seek their own slice of the pie. Hence why the first movie is a convoluted mess that nobody was ever happy with.
I never knew that. Sounds about right. Myself? I'll take any Star Trek series or movie over Star Wars on any given day.
173 | Boogberg Thu, Jul 1, 2010 12:30:17am |
They released Star Wars to the Drive-ins first (I know because I managed one at the time). The studio thought it would flop. The drive-in thing was a test. The rest is history.
174 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Jul 1, 2010 12:31:45am |
re: #170 Boogberg
Over reacting? Are they racial slurs or not?
176 | Gus Thu, Jul 1, 2010 12:39:43am |
Well, I guess we all got serious all of the sudden.
181 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Jul 1, 2010 12:45:47am |
182 | Gus Thu, Jul 1, 2010 12:46:45am |
re: #179 Boogberg
Wasn't my idea. Behemoth started it.
Didn't mean you or that specifically. I even included myself thinking about Star Wars vs. Star Trek.
184 | Gus Thu, Jul 1, 2010 12:56:43am |
186 | Gus Thu, Jul 1, 2010 1:02:35am |
187 | AK-47% Thu, Jul 1, 2010 1:04:16am |
re: #174 Slumbering Behemoth
Over reacting? Are they racial slurs or not?
Yes, they are. But they are also words that have to be taken in the context of the thread and the discussion. If you want points for a reflex reaction then consider yourself awarded.
Then go get upset at Mark Twain, Rudyard Kipling and most rappers, who used and use them with impunity.
188 | Gus Thu, Jul 1, 2010 1:04:26am |
189 | freetoken Thu, Jul 1, 2010 1:08:37am |
Chris Matthews takes on Republican candidate Barber from Alabama, on his ads (which were featured on LGF recently):
Ay...
190 | Gus Thu, Jul 1, 2010 1:17:39am |
re: #189 freetoken
Chris Matthews takes on Republican candidate Barber from Alabama, on his ads (which were featured on LGF recently):
[Video]Ay...
Eek! He looks like he's auditioning for a part as George Wallace.
Fair tax sucks. It's higher then what we have now. If you're self employed you can get a lot of deductions. It's much lower. Fair tax is almost like a VAT.
They would never reduce prices on his alleged embedded tax. He's dreaming.
191 | freetoken Thu, Jul 1, 2010 1:20:53am |
re: #190 Gus 802
I could feel some of my brain cells dying while watching that video.
What I need is some intellectual stimulation... oh, a little language practice ought to do that...
192 | AK-47% Thu, Jul 1, 2010 1:20:54am |
It's a metaphor. We gather our political armies and take them out at the polling place. The guns are just there to get your attention.
193 | Gus Thu, Jul 1, 2010 1:27:27am |
re: #191 freetoken
I could feel some of my brain cells dying while watching that video.
What I need is some intellectual stimulation... oh, a little language practice ought to do that...
He's a bullshit artist. First he says he was audited then he said he wasn't audited then he said he was audited once. This is Unicorn talk as you know. Some dumb House member won't ever be able to re-write the tax code or get rid of excise taxes, and other taxes that are out there. He talks like a stoner libertarian.
I was checked for his business records a couple of days ago. His billiard company got a $7,500 loan from the SBA. His computer "business" is one of those typical ponzi scheme computer consulting companies. Right now it's called Inline and I couldn't even find his name on the website.
But hey. If the stupid voters think that if they elect him he's going to "change the world" that's up to them. I'll say this though. The Tea Party candidates are worse and pretty damn brain dead even when you compare them with the standard Southern GOP members we see now. This guy is just an idiot.
194 | Gus Thu, Jul 1, 2010 1:29:30am |
re: #191 freetoken
I could feel some of my brain cells dying while watching that video.
What I need is some intellectual stimulation... oh, a little language practice ought to do that...
Oops. Almost forgot. I love Japanese hotties.
195 | freetoken Thu, Jul 1, 2010 1:32:54am |
re: #194 Gus 802
Oops. Almost forgot. I love Japanese hotties.
I only watch those things for the language listening practice...
196 | Gus Thu, Jul 1, 2010 1:33:27am |
re: #195 freetoken
I only watch those things for the language listening practice...
Yep. Excuse me while I study the fabric. //
197 | Boogberg Thu, Jul 1, 2010 1:40:33am |
re: #188 Gus 802
Carly Simon - You're So Vain (vinyl)
[Video]
That's a great song. I actually purchased a 45 single of this song:
200 | ryannon Thu, Jul 1, 2010 2:28:28am |
201 | sattv4u2 Thu, Jul 1, 2010 2:35:23am |
re: #189 freetoken
Chris Matthews takes on Republican candidate Barber from Alabama, on his ads (which were featured on LGF recently):
[Video]Ay...
Unfortunately Matthews either doesn't know how the Fair Tax would work or worse, does know is tries to misrepresent it
203 | sattv4u2 Thu, Jul 1, 2010 2:37:28am |
204 | ryannon Thu, Jul 1, 2010 2:43:57am |
re: #203 sattv4u2
I'm not much of a dancer, so I guess I just get to fuck up!
We all have our God-given talents.
205 | sattv4u2 Thu, Jul 1, 2010 2:49:45am |
Ultimate Fighting Championship president Dana White said that vuvuzelas — the beehive-sounding noisemakers — are being banned at MGM Grand in Las Vegas Saturday when heavyweight champion Brock Lesnar fights interim belt-holder Shane Carwin.
heh
206 | ryannon Thu, Jul 1, 2010 3:01:18am |
Nearing lunchtime in the land of 365 cheeses. Over and out, BBL, and have a nice one, you red-eyes!
207 | sattv4u2 Thu, Jul 1, 2010 4:08:27am |
It's 7:00 a.m Eastern
Do you know where your Lizards are !?!?
208 | fat bastard vegetarian Thu, Jul 1, 2010 4:09:22am |
re: #207 sattv4u2
It's 7:00 a.m Eastern
Do you know where your Lizards are !?!?
It's 7:09 a.m. Eastern.
Do you know what time it is?
209 | sattv4u2 Thu, Jul 1, 2010 4:13:14am |
210 | sattv4u2 Thu, Jul 1, 2010 4:14:03am |
212 | sattv4u2 Thu, Jul 1, 2010 4:19:00am |
214 | fat bastard vegetarian Thu, Jul 1, 2010 4:21:01am |
re: #210 sattv4u2
Did you read the Fletch books... So funny.
In the book he says that he goes by Fletch because his first name sounds like a "reluctant cheer".
215 | sattv4u2 Thu, Jul 1, 2010 4:24:11am |
re: #214 fat bastard vegetarian
Did you read the Fletch books... So funny.
In the book he says that he goes by Fletch because his first name sounds like a "reluctant cheer".
I've read a couple of them. I think there were about 6
216 | Darth Vader Gargoyle Thu, Jul 1, 2010 4:28:11am |
Morning Lizards.
The darling of the UNC professors is in the news again...
[Link: www.newsobserver.com...]
217 | Taqyia2Me Thu, Jul 1, 2010 4:31:18am |
re: #216 rwdflynavy
Morning Lizards.
The darling of the UNC professors is in the news again...
[Link: www.newsobserver.com...]
I can feel the love and tenderness!
/
218 | sattv4u2 Thu, Jul 1, 2010 4:37:49am |
re: #216 rwdflynavy
Morning Lizards.
The darling of the UNC professors is in the news again...
[Link: www.newsobserver.com...]
She tried to destroy the lives of several young men, but SHE's the "victim"
oy!
219 | Darth Vader Gargoyle Thu, Jul 1, 2010 4:39:08am |
re: #216 rwdflynavy
Morning Lizards.
The darling of the
UNCDuke professors is in the news again...[Link: www.newsobserver.com...]
PIMF!
220 | fat bastard vegetarian Thu, Jul 1, 2010 4:41:35am |
re: #219 rwdflynavy
I was reading and reading and reading and just didn't get it....
221 | sattv4u2 Thu, Jul 1, 2010 4:44:37am |
re: #219 rwdflynavy
PIMF!
we knew what/who you meant
(and I'm sure there were many UNC profs that were/are sympatheitic to her also)
222 | Spare O'Lake Thu, Jul 1, 2010 4:55:41am |
re: #220 fat bastard vegetarian
I was reading and reading and reading and just didn't get it...
Then let's sing it!
Duke, Duke, Duke, Duke of
Earl, Duke, Duke, Duke of
Earl, Duke, Duke, Duke of
Earl, Duke, Duke, Duke of....
223 | sattv4u2 Thu, Jul 1, 2010 4:58:46am |
re: #220 fat bastard vegetarian
I was reading and reading and reading and just didn't get it...
“I can’t explain to you why I keep going through issues with domestic violence,” she said
neither does she!
Lets see. The boyfriends keep changing, but there's one constant in the equation!!!
224 | ghazidor Thu, Jul 1, 2010 4:59:42am |
225 | fat bastard vegetarian Thu, Jul 1, 2010 5:00:24am |
re: #223 sattv4u2
I just have so much love to give...
(translated, "I am a whirlpool of despair and trouble")
226 | Darth Vader Gargoyle Thu, Jul 1, 2010 5:02:29am |
re: #225 fat bastard vegetarian
I just have so much love to give...(translated, "I am a whirlpool of despair and trouble")
New rotating title!!
227 | Spare O'Lake Thu, Jul 1, 2010 5:05:39am |
re: #225 fat bastard vegetarian
I just have so much love to give...(translated, "I am a whirlpool of despair and trouble")
228 | sattv4u2 Thu, Jul 1, 2010 5:06:00am |
re: #225 fat bastard vegetarian
I just have so much love to give..., but if you cross me I do have a can of gas and a match!ftfy
230 | sattv4u2 Thu, Jul 1, 2010 5:09:47am |
[Link: www.boston.com...]
CAMBRIDGE — Both Harvard University professor Henry Louis Gates Jr. and the police sergeant who arrested him last year were to blame for the high-profile dispute that followed, according to an independent panel’s report yesterday on a case that sparked a national discussion on racial profiling
"The Cambridge police acted ,, stupidly!"
231 | Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Jul 1, 2010 5:12:36am |
Morning lizards. It's been a good week. It's finally cooled down some and the work week is almost over. Also, I have two dogs in the house for a week. My mother and step-father are going out of town and I have their dog. It's fun two have two dogs for a while, and they're getting along well.
232 | laZardo Thu, Jul 1, 2010 5:13:30am |
re: #225 fat bastard vegetarian
I just have so much love to give...(translated, "I am a whirlpool of despair and trouble")
/also good evening
233 | fat bastard vegetarian Thu, Jul 1, 2010 5:14:29am |
re: #230 sattv4u2
From the Department of Duh, as investigated by Captain Obvious.
234 | fat bastard vegetarian Thu, Jul 1, 2010 5:16:36am |
re: #232 laZardo
Oh. I get it. I'm slow today.
235 | Spare O'Lake Thu, Jul 1, 2010 5:16:59am |
237 | fat bastard vegetarian Thu, Jul 1, 2010 5:18:08am |
When I heard the above line originally, it was "black hole of despair"... I wisely edited it.
238 | sattv4u2 Thu, Jul 1, 2010 5:19:32am |
re: #231 Mad Al-Jaffee
Morning lizards. It's been a good week. It's finally cooled down some and the work week is almost over. Also, I have two dogs in the house for a week. My mother and step-father are going out of town and I have their dog. It's fun two have two dogs for a while, and they're getting along well.
We had always been a one (at a time) dog family until this past November
We had a 5-7 year old mixed terrier (Einstein,, about 14 lbs ,,, from a rescue agency,,, when we got him he was in pretty rough shape,, all white with clumps of hair missing except for a very prominent unruly tuft of it on his head ,, hence the name)
In November we adopted another one from a rescue agency. A West Highland Terrier (McDuff ,,, 2-4 years old ,, about 18 lbs)
Einstein was always a fairly happy dog, but he is absolutly THRILLED to have a "little brother"
239 | Spare O'Lake Thu, Jul 1, 2010 5:20:00am |
240 | Darth Vader Gargoyle Thu, Jul 1, 2010 5:20:38am |
241 | sattv4u2 Thu, Jul 1, 2010 5:21:34am |
re: #240 rwdflynavy
Seems to me you are just white-washing it.
You're going against the TIDE with that one!
242 | Kruk Thu, Jul 1, 2010 5:21:43am |
From the "You've got to be kidding" file:
[Link: www.theroot.com...]
Fire 50 bullets into a car full of unarmed men, kill one of them, and then sue the dead guy's estate? Classy.
243 | Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Jul 1, 2010 5:21:55am |
re: #238 sattv4u2
Blitz is happy because she finally gets to be the alpha dog. When she's with my brother's dog (her best friend) she's always dominated. Now she's in charge. She sleeps on Annabelle's, bed, eats her food, steals her toys. She's loving life!
244 | Spare O'Lake Thu, Jul 1, 2010 5:22:01am |
re: #237 fat bastard vegetarian
When I heard the above line originally, it was "black hole of despair"... I wisely edited it.
As usual, you are a paragon of sensitivity and consideration.
245 | Varek Raith Thu, Jul 1, 2010 5:23:45am |
re: #244 Spare O'Lake
As usual, you are a paragon of sensitivity and consideration.
Fuck you!
/
Morning!
246 | Darth Vader Gargoyle Thu, Jul 1, 2010 5:23:49am |
247 | sattv4u2 Thu, Jul 1, 2010 5:24:22am |
249 | Varek Raith Thu, Jul 1, 2010 5:26:13am |
250 | Spare O'Lake Thu, Jul 1, 2010 5:27:21am |
251 | Darth Vader Gargoyle Thu, Jul 1, 2010 5:28:07am |
253 | Darth Vader Gargoyle Thu, Jul 1, 2010 5:29:43am |
254 | sattv4u2 Thu, Jul 1, 2010 5:29:48am |
255 | Varek Raith Thu, Jul 1, 2010 5:30:57am |
re: #249 Varek Raith
You poor, delicate flower.
What, none of your washers has a delicate cycle?!
:P
256 | Ericus58 Thu, Jul 1, 2010 5:31:20am |
From the "Didn't see that one coming" files... if you fell off the turnip truck yesterday:
Cyprus police seek vanished Russian spy suspect
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]
"NICOSIA, Cyprus – Cyprus authorities stepped up their search Thursday for the 11th alleged member of a Russian spy ring who vanished after skipping bail, but police refused to answer questions about why the suspect was granted bail in the first place.
Police spokesman Michalis Katsounotos said police have "no indications yet" that 54-year-old Christopher Robert Metsos has left the island or crossed over into its breakaway northern Turkish sector.
Metsos, who says he is Canadian, is wanted in the U.S. on charges that he supplied money to the spy ring that operated under deep cover in America's suburbs. He was arrested Tuesday in Cyprus as he tried to board a flight for Budapest, Hungary but a Cypriot judge freed him on euro27,000 ($33,000) bail. Metsos failed to show up Wednesday for a required meeting with police.
The police spokesman deflected criticism Thursday regarding Metsos' release by the Cypriot court.
"The nagging question of why he was released on bail is best posed to the court, not the police," Katsounotos told The Associated Press."
257 | Varek Raith Thu, Jul 1, 2010 5:32:06am |
re: #256 Ericus58
From the "Didn't see that one coming" files... if you fell off the turnip truck yesterday:
Cyprus police seek vanished Russian spy suspect
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]
"NICOSIA, Cyprus – Cyprus authorities stepped up their search Thursday for the 11th alleged member of a Russian spy ring who vanished after skipping bail, but police refused to answer questions about why the suspect was granted bail in the first place.
Police spokesman Michalis Katsounotos said police have "no indications yet" that 54-year-old Christopher Robert Metsos has left the island or crossed over into its breakaway northern Turkish sector.
Metsos, who says he is Canadian, is wanted in the U.S. on charges that he supplied money to the spy ring that operated under deep cover in America's suburbs. He was arrested Tuesday in Cyprus as he tried to board a flight for Budapest, Hungary but a Cypriot judge freed him on euro27,000 ($33,000) bail. Metsos failed to show up Wednesday for a required meeting with police.
The police spokesman deflected criticism Thursday regarding Metsos' release by the Cypriot court.
"The nagging question of why he was released on bail is best posed to the court, not the police," Katsounotos told The Associated Press."
Send 007.
258 | Spare O'Lake Thu, Jul 1, 2010 5:32:58am |
259 | Darth Vader Gargoyle Thu, Jul 1, 2010 5:33:00am |
re: #252 laZardo
Just let it blow in the wind.
I really wish you'd just pre-treat me with the respect I deserve!!
260 | Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Jul 1, 2010 5:34:33am |
re: #259 rwdflynavy
I really wish you'd just pre-treat me with the respect I deserve!!
Someone needs to bleach this thread.
262 | Spare O'Lake Thu, Jul 1, 2010 5:35:39am |
263 | Kruk Thu, Jul 1, 2010 5:36:05am |
re: #256 Ericus58
Something I've been wondering about. Some of these spies apparently had small children. Were any of them American born? And if so, would children of agents of a foreign power have the same status as the children of foreign diplomats? (i.e not American citizens by birth?) The parents obviously don't have diplomatic immunity, so...?
264 | sattv4u2 Thu, Jul 1, 2010 5:36:06am |
re: #256 Ericus58
$20 says he's already sitting in a Dacha on the shores of the Black Sea getting de-briefed
265 | Kruk Thu, Jul 1, 2010 5:36:57am |
re: #264 sattv4u2
$20 says he's already sitting in a Dacha on the shores of the Black Sea getting de-briefed
By Pussy Galore?
266 | fat bastard vegetarian Thu, Jul 1, 2010 5:45:36am |
re: #256 Ericus58
Another one from the Department of "Duh".
267 | sattv4u2 Thu, Jul 1, 2010 5:49:35am |
re: #265 Kruk
By Pussy Galore?
As old as she must be by now, I'll bet I wouldn't mind!
(hell ,,as old as I am now , SHE might mind!!)
268 | Kruk Thu, Jul 1, 2010 5:50:36am |
From the "not sure how this will work in practice" file
[Link: www.telegraph.co.uk...]
269 | sattv4u2 Thu, Jul 1, 2010 5:52:16am |
re: #268 Kruk
From the "not sure how this will work in practice" file
[Link: www.telegraph.co.uk...]
Dontchya just love the PC world we now live in!!
270 | fat bastard vegetarian Thu, Jul 1, 2010 5:56:29am |
re: #269 sattv4u2
"Does this dress make me look fat?"
"Let me consult my government list of officially kind answers."
271 | sattv4u2 Thu, Jul 1, 2010 5:58:20am |
re: #270 fat bastard vegetarian
"Does this dress make me look fat?"
"Let me consult my government list of officially kind answers."
EGGGG-zaccly
272 | Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Jul 1, 2010 5:59:51am |
re: #270 fat bastard vegetarian
"Does this dress make me look fat?"
"
No, all of those cheeseburgers, pizza and ice cream you eat make you look fat!
273 | fat bastard vegetarian Thu, Jul 1, 2010 6:02:10am |
re: #272 Mad Al-Jaffee
No, all of those cheeseburgers, pizza and ice cream you eat make you look fat!
It's your hips, not the dress.
And that's when the fight started...
274 | sattv4u2 Thu, Jul 1, 2010 6:02:25am |
re: #272 Mad Al-Jaffee
No, all of those cheeseburgers, pizza and ice cream you eat make you look fat!
from the article
partners who make such insults or threats of physical violence faces up to three years in prison and a €75,000 (£60,000) fine.
275 | Kruk Thu, Jul 1, 2010 6:02:44am |
The headline is pretty silly, but I'm conflicted about laws like this. I like the idea of having ways to deal with pyschological violence, especially the repeated emotional abuse of a spouse or child. It's real and it does serious damage. What I'm not sure about is how it can be enforced. Domestic violence in general is hidden and occurs in private. It would be even harder to prove where there are no physical marks.
What I fear is that this will become like the defense of provacation, and be used by violent men as an excuse for their own actions. The "Men's Rights" movement already runs hard with the dubious idea that men and women perpetuate domestic violence equally. This could be used by an abuser to say that they themselves were responding to emotional violence.
276 | sattv4u2 Thu, Jul 1, 2010 6:03:09am |
re: #273 fat bastard vegetarian
It's your hips, not the dress.
And that's whenthe fight started.I started bleeding profusley from the nose..
ftfy
277 | ghazidor Thu, Jul 1, 2010 6:10:52am |
Happy Zombie Day folks! In honor of this marvelous day instead of eating your brains I'll just post a song about it...
Currently on Scienceblogs;
Christina Pikas is a zombie doing reference searches.
Sharon Astyk is a zombie wondering about zombie infrastructure.
Greg Laden has always been a zombie, but now he's a zombie with bugs on his brain.
Grrlscientist has discovered that zombies like turtles.
Vince LiCata has determined that university administrators are zombies. Come back when you have something new to report, Vince.
The zombie PalMD has a surprising ally in Jenny McCarthy — she's fighting efforts to end the zombie pandemic.
Coturnix warns us that zombies are arrhythmic, so attacks day and night are likely.
Jason Goldman is a brain connoisseur, describing the rich table we find upon opening a convenient cranium.
Rhett Alain is modeling zombie behavior on his computer.
Zuska is a feminist zombie.
And of Course PZ has dressed his site up for the occasion...
278 | Kruk Thu, Jul 1, 2010 6:14:33am |
279 | sattv4u2 Thu, Jul 1, 2010 6:17:25am |
re: #278 Kruk
When the Zombies attack, we are so ***ed.
[Link: www.mathstat.uottawa.ca...]
Not necessarily
If they attack us in France and they tell us we look fat they are in SO much trouble!!!
/
281 | Kruk Thu, Jul 1, 2010 6:19:50am |
282 | sattv4u2 Thu, Jul 1, 2010 6:20:39am |
re: #281 Kruk
Or we could turn the Triffids lose on them:
[Link: blogs.brisbanetimes.com.au...]
The Trouble With Triffids
(Star Trek reference!! kinda sorta)
283 | Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Jul 1, 2010 6:21:36am |
284 | sattv4u2 Thu, Jul 1, 2010 6:22:43am |
re: #283 Mad Al-Jaffee
They're invading in DC:
[Link: dcist.com...]
That they are
Image: henry-waxman-totally-looks-like-phantom-of-the-opera.jpg
285 | Killgore Trout Thu, Jul 1, 2010 6:23:37am |
Republican Leadership Gets On Health Care Repeal Bill After Conservative Pressure
Key members of the House Republican leadership this week finally signed on to a measure that would effectively repeal health care reform -- after pressure from the ultra-conservative Club for Growth.
...
This strategy comes as the Republican base is pushing them more and more to fight what critics call "ObamaCare," while the general public is warming to the law. Another new poll yesterday adds to the trend that health care reform's popularity is on the rise.
Stupid.
286 | Kruk Thu, Jul 1, 2010 6:26:09am |
re: #285 Killgore Trout
Republican Leadership Gets On Health Care Repeal Bill After Conservative Pressure
Stupid.
Speaking of stupid:
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]
287 | laZardo Thu, Jul 1, 2010 6:27:48am |
Speaking of government, our new President got inaugurated yesterday.
I only cared about the fact that the light rail rides were free until 4 pm. :D
288 | sattv4u2 Thu, Jul 1, 2010 6:28:34am |
re: #286 Kruk
Speaking of stupid:
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]
and now, for the rest of the story
Republicans offered alternative bills that would have paid for extended benefits with unused stimulus funds. "The only reason the unemployment extension hasn't passed is because our friends on the other side have refused to pass a bill that doesn't add to the debt," Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) said after the vote
289 | Killgore Trout Thu, Jul 1, 2010 6:29:33am |
re: #286 Kruk
Speaking of stupid:
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]
Yeah, I suspect there's going to be some backlash over that.
290 | researchok Thu, Jul 1, 2010 6:33:17am |
OT:
A man who had been in a mental home for some years finally seemed to have improved to the point where it was thought he might be released.
The head of the institution, in a fit of commendable caution, decided, however, to interview him first.
“Tell me,” said he, “if we release you, as we are considering doing, what do you intend to do with your life?’
The inmate said, “It would be wonderful to get back to real life and if I do, I will certainly refrain from making my former mistake. I was a nuclear physicist, you know, and it was the stress of my work in weapons research that helped put me here. If I am released, I shall confine myself to work in pure theory, where I trust the situation will be less difficult and stressful.”
“Marvelous,” said the head of the institution.
“Or else,” ruminated the inmate. “I might teach. There is something to be said for spending one’s life in bringing up a new generation of scientists.”
“Absolutely,” said the head.
“Then again, I might write. There is considerable need for books on science for the general public. Or I might even write a novel based on my experiences in this fine institution.”
“An interesting possibility,” said the head.
“And finally, if none of these things appeals to me, I can always continue being Napoleon’s teakettle.”
291 | Kruk Thu, Jul 1, 2010 6:33:23am |
re: #288 sattv4u2
*Now* they're worried about fiscal discipline? Funny how that didn't seem to bother them when the surplus Clinton left was squandered away by unfunded programmes, wars and tax cuts. But making sure unemployed people continue to pay for food and rent in the face the worst recession in decades is a bridge too far, apparently.
292 | Spare O'Lake Thu, Jul 1, 2010 6:34:21am |
re: #291 Kruk
*Now* they're worried about fiscal discipline? Funny how that didn't seem to bother them when the surplus Clinton left was squandered away by unfunded programmes, wars and tax cuts. But making sure unemployed people continue to pay for food and rent in the face the worst recession in decades is a bridge too far, apparently.
The chickens have come home to roost...bigtime.
293 | sattv4u2 Thu, Jul 1, 2010 6:35:31am |
re: #291 Kruk
{sigh}
Yeah ,, lets show how irresponsible the repubs were by TRIPLING the spending they did, the pikers!
294 | Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Jul 1, 2010 6:35:38am |
re: #290 researchok
Two cows are talking.
Cow 1: "Hey, did you hear about that mad cow disease?"
Cow 2: "Yeah, but I'm not worried about it."
Cow 1: "Why not?"
Cow 2: "I'm a duck."
295 | laZardo Thu, Jul 1, 2010 6:37:14am |
re: #291 Kruk
*Now* they're worried about fiscal discipline? Funny how that didn't seem to bother them when the surplus Clinton left was squandered away by unfunded programmes, wars and tax cuts. But making sure unemployed people continue to pay for food and rent in the face the worst recession in decades is a bridge too far, apparently.
Republicans were never one for fiscal discipline. IIRC it was Clinton forcing THEM to make the surplus budget, not the other way around.
296 | researchok Thu, Jul 1, 2010 6:37:53am |
re: #294 Mad Al-Jaffee
A guy had been feeling down for so long that he finally decided to seek the aid of a psychiatrist.
He went there, lay on the couch, spilled his guts then waited for the profound wisdom of the psychiatrist to make him feel better.
The psychiatrist asked a few questions, took some notes then sat thinking in silence for a few minutes with a puzzled look on his face.
Suddenly, he looked up with an expression of delight and said, “Um, I think your problem is low self-esteem. It is very common among losers.”
297 | sattv4u2 Thu, Jul 1, 2010 6:38:14am |
re: #295 laZardo
Republicans were never one for fiscal discipline. IIRC it was Clinton forcing THEM to make the surplus budget, not the other way around.
OR ,, it was Gingrichs congress forcing Clinton to submit a balanced budget!
(chicken/ egg)
298 | Kruk Thu, Jul 1, 2010 6:39:05am |
re: #293 sattv4u2
{sigh}
Yeah ,, lets show how irresponsible the repubs were by TRIPLING the spending they did, the pikers!
The role of government spending is to smooth out the ups and downs of the economic cycle. In good times, you build a surplus (not say "Oh, the Government's hoarding our money! We need tax cuts now!") In bad times, you spend enough to keep people afloat till the economy pick ups. The Republicans got one half of that wrong by splurging like there was no tommorow in the good times, and now they seem intent on doubling down.
299 | researchok Thu, Jul 1, 2010 6:39:53am |
Last one...
A doctor of psychology was doing his normal morning rounds when he entered a patient’s room. He found Patient #1 sitting on the floor, pretending to saw a piece of wood in half.
Patient #2 was hanging from the ceiling, by his feet.
The doctor asked patient number #1 what he was doing. The patient replied, “Can’t you see I’m sawing this piece of wood in half?”
The doctor inquired of Patient #1 what Patient #2 was doing. Patient #1 replied, “Oh. He’s my friend, but he’s a little crazy. He thinks he’s a light bulb.”
The doctor looks up and notices Patient #2’s face is going all red.
The doctor asks Patient #1, “If he’s your friend, you should get him down from there before he hurts himself”
Patient #1 replies, “What? And work in the dark?”
300 | Spare O'Lake Thu, Jul 1, 2010 6:40:28am |
Politicians wouldn't know how to balance a budget even if someone else's life depended on it.
301 | sattv4u2 Thu, Jul 1, 2010 6:40:32am |
re: #298 Kruk
The role of government spending is to smooth out the ups and downs of the economic cycle
ummm, no, it is not!
302 | Kruk Thu, Jul 1, 2010 6:40:40am |
re: #297 sattv4u2
OR ,, it was Gingrichs congress forcing Clinton to submit a balanced budget!
(chicken/ egg)
Then why the blowout when Republicans controlled both the Congress and the White House?
303 | Kruk Thu, Jul 1, 2010 6:42:45am |
re: #301 sattv4u2
The role of government spending is to smooth out the ups and downs of the economic cycle
ummm, no, it is not!
We tried that theory, remember? Trusting the markets to take care of themselves didn't work out so well.
304 | sattv4u2 Thu, Jul 1, 2010 6:43:12am |
re: #303 Kruk
We tried that theory, remember? Trusting the markets to take care of themselves didn't work out so well.
uh huh ,, like Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac!?!?
305 | Spare O'Lake Thu, Jul 1, 2010 6:44:01am |
re: #298 Kruk
The role of government spending is to smooth out the ups and downs of the economic cycle.
What is this "ups" of which you speak?
306 | laZardo Thu, Jul 1, 2010 6:44:39am |
re: #302 Kruk
Then why the blowout when Republicans controlled both the Congress and the White House?
9/11?
307 | Kruk Thu, Jul 1, 2010 6:45:28am |
re: #305 Spare O'Lake
What is this "ups" of which you speak?
Periods of economic growth, increased revenue, decresed need for welfare because more people are in jobs. I know, it's been so long ago I barely remember it myself.
308 | Kruk Thu, Jul 1, 2010 6:46:48am |
re: #304 sattv4u2
uh huh ,, like Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac!?!?
Neither of whom created the property bubble or its subsequent meltdown.
309 | Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Jul 1, 2010 6:47:33am |
re: #299 researchok
From Alan Moore's Batman: The Killing Joke:
There were these two guys in a lunatic asylum... and one night, one night they decide they don't like living in an asylum any more. They decide they're going to escape! So, like, they get up onto the roof, and there, just across this narrow gap, they see the rooftops of the town, stretching away in the moon light... stretching away to freedom. Now, the first guy, he jumps right across with no problem. But his friend, his friend didn't dare make the leap. Y'see... Y'see, he's afraid of falling. So then, the first guy has an idea... He says "Hey! I have my flashlight with me! I'll shine it across the gap between the buildings. You can walk along the beam and join me!" B-but the second guy just shakes his head. He suh-says... He says "Wh-what do you think I am? Crazy? You'd turn it off when I was half way across!"
310 | Kruk Thu, Jul 1, 2010 6:48:21am |
re: #306 laZardo
9/11?
The economic effects of 9/11 were fairly short-lived, and confined to a few industries (aviation and tourism, mostly.)
311 | sattv4u2 Thu, Jul 1, 2010 6:49:45am |
re: #308 Kruk
Neither of whom created the property bubble or its subsequent meltdown.
hahahaha,, thanks,, as I leave work after a 12 hour shift, I needed that
312 | Spare O'Lake Thu, Jul 1, 2010 6:49:47am |
re: #308 Kruk
Neither of whom created the property bubble or its subsequent meltdown.
Pass the bong, dude.
Would YOU lend money to someone who you know could never afford to pay you back unless you refinance them to do it?
313 | laZardo Thu, Jul 1, 2010 6:51:52am |
re: #310 Kruk
The economic effects of 9/11 were fairly short-lived, and confined to a few industries (aviation and tourism, mostly.)
And then there was the War in Afghanistan...
314 | Kruk Thu, Jul 1, 2010 6:53:02am |
re: #312 Spare O'Lake
Pass the bong, dude.
Would YOU lend money to someone who you know could never afford to pay you back unless you refinance them to do it?
Was anyone forcing people to do this refinancing? No. Taking on dodgy mortgages as investments, repackaging them as investments no-one had a clue about, and then selling them onto people who thought house prices would rise forever was all the work of the free market acolytes.
315 | Spare O'Lake Thu, Jul 1, 2010 6:54:09am |
The American Dream, Part II: Spend, don't save, keep borrowing, live for today and damn the torpedos.
316 | Kruk Thu, Jul 1, 2010 6:54:43am |
re: #313 laZardo
And then there was the War in Afghanistan...
Which should have been properly financed from the get-go, by taxes or spending cuts in other areas, But taking on one war, starting another an year later, and doing it all on the credit card? Nuts.
317 | Spare O'Lake Thu, Jul 1, 2010 6:55:29am |
re: #314 Kruk
Was anyone forcing people to do this refinancing? No. Taking on dodgy mortgages as investments, repackaging them as investments no-one had a clue about, and then selling them onto people who thought house prices would rise forever was all the work of the free market acolytes.
Congress forced FM2 to do it.
321 | ryannon Thu, Jul 1, 2010 6:58:13am |
re: #314 Kruk
Was anyone forcing people to do this refinancing? No. Taking on dodgy mortgages as investments, repackaging them as investments no-one had a clue about, and then selling them onto people who thought house prices would rise forever was all the work of the free market acolytes.
You forgot the part about how they figured out a way to make money on the defaults as well.
322 | laZardo Thu, Jul 1, 2010 7:00:50am |
re: #316 Kruk
Which should have been properly financed from the get-go, by taxes or spending cuts in other areas, But taking on one war, starting another an year later, and doing it all on the credit card? Nuts.
Hence, 9/11.
323 | Kruk Thu, Jul 1, 2010 7:03:50am |
re: #321 ryannon
Not to mention getting bailed out because they were "too big to fail". Apparently the way corpratism (not capitalism) works is that you get to privatise profits and socialise losses. Personally, I think any operation that's too big to fail (which capitalism requires every now and then) should get the choice of being broken up or winding down.
325 | sattv4u2 Thu, Jul 1, 2010 7:09:27am |
re: #314 Kruk
Was anyone forcing people to do this refinancing
YES,,, Congress "forced" lending institutions to accept apps from non credit worthy applicants
326 | laZardo Thu, Jul 1, 2010 7:09:44am |
re: #324 Kruk
Was about to ask exactly how big banks took a bigger fall than the smaller bad lending agencies, but have a great day anyway.
328 | laZardo Thu, Jul 1, 2010 7:19:53am |
Motherfucking maggots on this motherfucking plane!
Maggots falling from an overhead luggage locker have forced a US Airways flight to return to the gate at Atlanta airport.
"Bugs just began to fall out of the overhead compartment" causing panic on board, passenger Desiree Harrell was quoted as saying by Associated Press.
All the passengers were then asked to get off so crews could clean the plane.
The airline said a container of spoiled meat brought on by a passenger caused the delay of the flight to Charlotte.
SNIP
329 | Decatur Deb Thu, Jul 1, 2010 7:21:24am |
The other day someone asked if there were Democrat versions of RINOs. This is a list of the Dems who voted down the unemployment extension. It would be a good place to look for them.
(Ripped from Democratic Underground)
John Adler (D-NJ)- still on autopilot
Brian Baird (D-WA)- willing to thumb his nose at voters since he's retiring
Melissa Bean (D-IL)- the Chamber of Commerce's go-to person inside the Democratic caucus
Marion Berry (Blue Dog-AR)
Bobby Bright (Blue Dog-AL)
Travis Childers (Blue Dog-MS)
Jim Cooper (Blue Dog-TN)
Joe Donnelly (Blue Dog-IN)
Stephanie Herseth Sandlin (Blue Dog-SD)
Baron Hill (Blue Dog-IN)
Frank Kratovil (Blue Dog-MD)
Betsy Markey (Blue Dog-CO)
Jim Marshall (Blue Dog-GA)
Walt Minnick (Blue Dog-ID)- only Democrat, in a manner of speaking, endorsed by both the U.S. Chamber and the Tea Party
Glenn Nye (Blue Dog-VA)- still on autopilot like Adler
Heath Shuler (Blue Dog-NC)
330 | Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears Thu, Jul 1, 2010 7:21:31am |
re: #328 laZardo
Motherfucking maggots on this motherfucking plane!
SNIP
We claim this planet in the name of Mars! Isn't that lovely?
331 | lawhawk Thu, Jul 1, 2010 7:28:57am |
Econ watch: Mixed news on manufacturing.
Here's the good news. Manufacturing appears to be growing, albeit slowly. The annualized rate would be 4.8% growth this year, if it holds.
The bad. It's much slower than anyone anticipated, and decelerated in the past month. New orders dropped significantly, and it doesn't look like there's any strength behind the sector - so watch for the annualized rate to drop when the next numbers are released.
Moreover, the data fell short of economists expectations. The economists continue missing the weakness in the economy, and I have to suspect that the experts are using wishful thinking in determining their numbers.
332 | Killgore Trout Thu, Jul 1, 2010 7:31:56am |
Meanwhile in the Magic Kingdom....
Image: saudi-arabia-ss10.jpg
333 | lawhawk Thu, Jul 1, 2010 7:34:42am |
Econ Watch, Part 2: Number of people signing contracts to buy homes drops to record levels.
The number of buyers who signed contracts to purchase homes tumbled in May, a sign the housing recovery can't survive without government incentives.Punctuating the point, construction spending also fell in May amid a slump in home and commercial building.
The National Association of Realtors said Thursday its seasonally adjusted index of sales agreements for previously occupied homes dropped 30 percent in May from April. The index fell to 77.6 from 110.9. May's reading was the lowest dating back to 2001.
Memo to the idiots writing the stories and the politicians who listen to this "advice". The reason that the sales dropped is because sales were goosed because of the homeowner tax credits - robbing sales from one period to boost another period. Now that the credit is no longer available, the market shows the true state of affairs - a lack of buyers due to credit tightness, lack of funds, and general uncertainty in the market, sellers who can't sell because they're underwater and therefore have to short sell (a far more complex deal than a standard sale). New home sales have dropped off a cliff, and existing home sales aren't much better.
Together, it's setting up for a renewed correction in real estate prices in many parts of the country because there is little support for the current levels.
My advice to the Administration and Congress - do no harm. Do not extend the homeowner credit, which only helps people who are already seeking a home and are therefore more likely to shift sales to match the credit terms. Fight the urge to lower interest rates further (which when they rebound helps cause problems for people who can't afford the readjusted mortgage rates in ARMs). Let the market sort this out in an orderly fashion. It's going to be painful, but better that than spending billions and extending the pain out over an even longer period of time.
334 | Killgore Trout Thu, Jul 1, 2010 7:34:52am |
re: #331 lawhawk
Moreover, the data fell short of economists expectations. The economists continue missing the weakness in the economy, and I have to suspect that the experts are using wishful thinking in determining their numbers.
Economists miss predictions so that's not terribly unusual. The economy is recovering faster that I thought it would. Last year it was starting to look like the end or the world.
335 | laZardo Thu, Jul 1, 2010 7:35:29am |
re: #332 Killgore Trout
The wild Saudi platypus, long thought extinct, was spotted today preparing for courting season.
336 | lawhawk Thu, Jul 1, 2010 7:35:36am |
re: #332 Killgore Trout
Well, they don't have to worry about getting stung by jellyfish, though they might get confused for one.
Still, that looks like a drowning hazard if you ask me.
337 | Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Jul 1, 2010 7:38:04am |
Drive-by post this morning:
Headline on foxnews.com that an editor really should have caught:
Unable to Eat Himself, Roger Ebert Pens Cookbook
There had to be a better way to say that.
338 | Ericus58 Thu, Jul 1, 2010 7:39:55am |
re: #331 lawhawk
Pending Home Sales at Record Low as Tax Credit Ends
[Link: www.cnbc.com...]
"Contracts for pending sales of previously owned homes plunged a record 30 percent in May, far more than expected, after a popular tax credit expired at the end of the prior month, a survey from the National Association of Realtors showed Thursday."
..........
"Meanwhile, U.S construction spending slid less than expected in May as declines in private-sector building overshadowed gains in public-funded construction, a government report showed Thursday.
Construction outlays fell 0.2 percent in the month to an annual rate of $841.9 billion, the Commerce Department said.
Analysts polled by Reuters were expecting a 0.8 percent drop. Private residential construction fell 0.4 percent after two months of gains, underscoring the setback to housing markets from the expiration of a popular tax credit."
I'm not expecting a Summer rally...
339 | lawhawk Thu, Jul 1, 2010 7:45:17am |
re: #338 Ericus58
They're calling it a popular tax credit - even if thousands of people probably shouldn't have been eligible to take the credit, and that many others would have bought homes regardless of the credit's existence.
340 | lawhawk Thu, Jul 1, 2010 7:47:47am |
re: #334 Killgore Trout
I've been following the data for a while, and it looks like they're continually off by about 8-10% to the upside (meaning that they are overestimating the strength in the economy). We keep seeing a similar story on the unemployment data too (and that's going to look bad to worse when the census workers stop getting counted among the hires and instead get counted among the unemployed).
342 | fat bastard vegetarian Thu, Jul 1, 2010 7:51:35am |
re: #339 lawhawk
IIRC, I remember reading that claiming the tax credit almost got you a 100% chance of an IRS Audit...
343 | Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jul 1, 2010 7:51:45am |
Not sure if this has been posted, but D'oh!!
[Link: abcnews.go.com...]
344 | fat bastard vegetarian Thu, Jul 1, 2010 7:53:29am |
re: #332 Killgore Trout
There are killer whales that love penguins... I hope they don't migrate...
346 | fat bastard vegetarian Thu, Jul 1, 2010 7:56:01am |
re: #336 lawhawk
Like swimming while wearing a pool tarp...
347 | lawhawk Thu, Jul 1, 2010 7:56:13am |
What could possibly go wrong. Russia to provide 50 armored vehicles to Palestinian Authority (Fatah).
348 | reine.de.tout Thu, Jul 1, 2010 7:56:36am |
re: #340 lawhawk
I've been following the data for a while, and it looks like they're continually off by about 8-10% to the upside (meaning that they are overestimating the strength in the economy). We keep seeing a similar story on the unemployment data too (and that's going to look bad to worse when the census workers stop getting counted among the hires and instead get counted among the unemployed).
And worse still, when thousands of Gulf Coast residents are counted among the unemployed.
All I know is - in the past couple of weeks, my stocks have lost virtually all the value they had earned during the previous 2 years, and I'm about to be in negative territory.
So for me, the economy sucks.
349 | Varek Raith Thu, Jul 1, 2010 7:56:42am |
350 | prairiefire Thu, Jul 1, 2010 7:59:06am |
We watched "Shutter Island" this last weekend. Awful movie. Overwrought dialogue, bad soundtrack, Martin getting all jiggy with the CGI.
351 | Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Jul 1, 2010 7:59:40am |
353 | Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Jul 1, 2010 8:00:38am |
re: #350 prairiefire
We watched "Shutter Island" this last weekend. Awful movie. Overwrought dialogue, bad soundtrack, Martin getting all jiggy with the CGI.
It's based on Dennis Lehane's worst book. I'm still curious about the movie since I read the book.
354 | fat bastard vegetarian Thu, Jul 1, 2010 8:01:25am |
re: #350 prairiefire
Really? I didn't love it, (glad I saw it in a dollar theater) but, I was intrigued by the end. 5 out of 10 stars from me.
356 | Varek Raith Thu, Jul 1, 2010 8:03:26am |
357 | Killgore Trout Thu, Jul 1, 2010 8:04:34am |
re: #348 reine.de.tout
Thanks for your oil spill updates in the pages. Very helpful.
358 | Varek Raith Thu, Jul 1, 2010 8:06:58am |
359 | reine.de.tout Thu, Jul 1, 2010 8:07:05am |
re: #357 Killgore Trout
Thanks for your oil spill updates in the pages. Very helpful.
I love that pages feature, just love love love it.
folks - help support LGF and the great features here!
Donate, subscribe or buy a cookbook or two!
360 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jul 1, 2010 8:09:14am |
re: #358 Varek Raith
Looks hot... Like Mustafar...
361 | Varek Raith Thu, Jul 1, 2010 8:10:31am |
re: #360 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Looks hot... Like Mustafar...
Just a tad...
...The planet is only 5 million years old, and the lingering heat from its formation keeps it at about 2,700°F...
362 | Killgore Trout Thu, Jul 1, 2010 8:10:59am |
re: #359 reine.de.tout
I love that pages feature, just love love love it.
folks - help support LGF and the great features here!
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How many have sold so far?
363 | tnguitarist Thu, Jul 1, 2010 8:11:10am |
I link to this article because it lists the Klan's "agenda". With all the talk of Sharron Angle recently, it's interesting to note that even a racist hate-group believes that a woman should have the right to an abortion in the case of rape, incest, or a threat to the mother's life.
364 | laZardo Thu, Jul 1, 2010 8:11:22am |
Also from Ynet... the Hamas World Cup might have been the news media's darling, which must have made this its (less evil?) alternate universe twin.
Some 350 Israeli, Palestinian and Jordanian children get together in annual one-day event. 'The mixed game gave me a feeling that we can begin to make peace and enjoy life through football,' one of [the] participants says.
Some 350 Israeli, Palestinian and Jordanian students aged 10 to 14 participated in a soccer tournament last week on the Wolfson-Chodorov soccer field in Holon.
The annual one-day event serves as a celebratory culmination to a year of activities and curriculum, Gal Peleg, Development Manager of Mifalot, told Ynetnews in a phone interview.
"The whole idea is for them to get to know each other, to break down stereotypes, and to informally get to know that the other side are not demons as it sometimes seems in the news," Peleg said.
SNIP
365 | Four More Tears Thu, Jul 1, 2010 8:17:43am |
re: #361 Varek Raith
...The planet is only 5 million years old, and the lingering heat from its formation keeps it at about 2,700°F...
I'm picturing our planet sitting this one in its lap and saying, "You know, back in my day..."
366 | deadletterboy Thu, Jul 1, 2010 8:19:49am |
This is some good stuff.
[Link: scienceblogs.com...]
367 | laZardo Thu, Jul 1, 2010 8:21:40am |
re: #365 JasonA
Reminds me of that one episode of Invader Zim where he lands on Mars and finds a set of controls that turns the entire planet into a space cruiser.
He then decides to attack Earth with it and - I'm not making this up - gets as far as balancing Mars on some guy's soda can on a picnic table in a park.
368 | Killgore Trout Thu, Jul 1, 2010 8:21:47am |
re: #366 deadletterboy
This is some good stuff.
[Link: scienceblogs.com...]
That's a very good link. You should add that to the pages section.
369 | Decatur Deb Thu, Jul 1, 2010 8:23:57am |
re: #361 Varek Raith
Since it's so huge, incandescent, and far from its primary, is anyone suggesting this is a binary? (It's been 40 yrs since my Astro classes.)
370 | Daniel Ballard Thu, Jul 1, 2010 8:24:17am |
re: #348 reine.de.tout
Early signs of the double dip.
371 | MandyManners Thu, Jul 1, 2010 8:24:37am |
Kagan's strategy might have alienated at least one committee member, Sen. Arlen Specter, D-Pa., who left open the possibility he might vote against confirmation in protest.
In her second and final day of questioning, Kagan, like nominees before her, was unabashed in refusing to say how she would rule in cases. At several points, she relished the idea that her votes might be unpredictable, praising the independence of the late Justice Robert Jackson and noting that Justice Antonin Scalia often supports the rights of criminal defendants even though he's a conservative.
"For all judges, that should happen in their lives -- that their view of the law leads them in a direction where, if they were a legislator, they wouldn't have come out that way," Kagan said.
SNIP
372 | Killgore Trout Thu, Jul 1, 2010 8:25:45am |
re: #371 MandyManners
Did you see my tadpole-frog pics yet?
374 | Varek Raith Thu, Jul 1, 2010 8:26:39am |
375 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jul 1, 2010 8:27:22am |
re: #374 Varek Raith
The Whale... gonna sop up some earl...
376 | Decatur Deb Thu, Jul 1, 2010 8:27:37am |
377 | Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Jul 1, 2010 8:29:45am |
378 | MandyManners Thu, Jul 1, 2010 8:32:27am |
379 | MandyManners Thu, Jul 1, 2010 8:32:42am |
380 | Decatur Deb Thu, Jul 1, 2010 8:35:02am |
A ranking of Presidents, ripped from todays Moderate Voice. Lincoln holds up well, thank goodness.
[Link: themoderatevoice.com...]
381 | Varek Raith Thu, Jul 1, 2010 8:35:18am |
re: #369 Decatur Deb
Since it's so huge, incandescent, and far from its primary, is anyone suggesting this is a binary? (It's been 40 yrs since my Astro classes.)
It's nearly 10 times further from its sun than Pluto is from ours.
382 | reine.de.tout Thu, Jul 1, 2010 8:36:53am |
re: #362 Killgore Trout
How many have sold so far?
53.
I believe RWC is going to announce another "special" this weekend.
So hopefully . . . a few more will sell.
383 | Daniel Ballard Thu, Jul 1, 2010 8:38:14am |
re: #382 reine.de.tout
53.
I believe RWC is going to announce another "special" this weekend.
So hopefully . . . a few more will sell.
It's only fair to the newest registered lizards!
384 | Decatur Deb Thu, Jul 1, 2010 8:39:15am |
re: #381 Varek Raith
It's nearly 10 times further from its sun than Pluto is from ours.
I'll need to go back to Kepler. IIRC we called anything that irradiated more than it received "star" or "star-like". Of course we knew of no young exoplanets.
385 | Ericus58 Thu, Jul 1, 2010 8:40:33am |
387 | lawhawk Thu, Jul 1, 2010 8:41:13am |
re: #380 Decatur Deb
It's based on a ranking by 238 presidential scholars - academics - who are more likely than not on the left side of the political spectrum. I can sort of understand the overall rankings, but to give FDR near top marks on immigration? Sorry, I don't buy that - and I think some of the more recent presidents are being seen through the prism of the current immigration debate (which is about illegal aliens, and not quotas for legal immigration - as was the case for many of the earlier presidents).
388 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jul 1, 2010 8:41:20am |
re: #375 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
The Whale... gonna sop up some earl...
I can't link it (dunno why) the story's on yahoo news. A tanker 4 football fields long, going into the gulf. Thing is massive.
389 | Killgore Trout Thu, Jul 1, 2010 8:42:09am |
re: #382 reine.de.tout
53.
I believe RWC is going to announce another "special" this weekend.
So hopefully . . . a few more will sell.
Not great sales numbers but not too bad. The economy has been really tough. Keep plugging and I'll help as much as I can. I'm a pretty lousy salesman but I'll try.
390 | allegro Thu, Jul 1, 2010 8:42:36am |
O'Neill said he tried to warn Vice President Dick Cheney that growing budget deficits-expected to top $500 billion this fiscal year alone-posed a threat to the economy. Cheney cut him off. "You know, Paul, Reagan proved deficits don't matter," he said, according to excerpts. Cheney continued: "We won the midterms (congressional elections). This is our due." A month later, Cheney told the Treasury secretary he was fired
But now it's such an important, over-riding issue that people's lives should be destroyed. Got it.
391 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jul 1, 2010 8:42:57am |
re: #380 Decatur Deb
Obama is 15th. It's like giving him a Nobel or something...
392 | Varek Raith Thu, Jul 1, 2010 8:43:58am |
re: #388 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I can't link it (dunno why) the story's on yahoo news. A tanker 4 football fields long, going into the gulf. Thing is massive.
That's a big ship.
394 | Varek Raith Thu, Jul 1, 2010 8:49:22am |
World's largest ship.
Knock Nevis
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Image: knocknevis.jpg
395 | Decatur Deb Thu, Jul 1, 2010 8:49:55am |
re: #387 lawhawk
It's based on a ranking by 238 presidential scholars - academics - who are more likely than not on the left side of the political spectrum. I can sort of understand the overall rankings, but to give FDR near top marks on immigration? Sorry, I don't buy that - and I think some of the more recent presidents are being seen through the prism of the current immigration debate (which is about illegal aliens, and not quotas for legal immigration - as was the case for many of the earlier presidents).
I pretty much agree with it at first glance. I was glad to see TR score so well, and I was always sure somebody was worse than Pres GWB.
re: #391 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
They really shouldn't have included someone whose terms aren't up.
396 | HappyBenghazi Thu, Jul 1, 2010 8:54:32am |
Surprised to see Monroe in the top ten. Not knocking Monroe of course but surprised given that a re-ranking is usually the result of scholarly re-evaluation and I haven't heard any about Monroe. Always enjoy looking at these rankings this all said.
397 | allegro Thu, Jul 1, 2010 8:55:42am |
This is excellent news. Hopefully more states will pass similar legislation. This from Oregon:
New law prohibits credit history checks by most employers
Unsurprisingly...
The vote was divided near party lines with most House and Senate Republicans opposed.
398 | Decatur Deb Thu, Jul 1, 2010 8:55:49am |
re: #396 HappyWarrior
Surprised to see Monroe in the top ten. Not knocking Monroe of course but surprised given that a re-ranking is usually the result of scholarly re-evaluation and I haven't heard any about Monroe. Always enjoy looking at these rankings this all said.
You get extra points if a VP nominee can remember a doctrine named for you.
399 | Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Jul 1, 2010 8:56:21am |
re: #380 Decatur Deb
From The Simpsons:
We are the mediocre presidents.
You won't find our faces on dollars or on cents!
There's Taylor, there's Tyler, there's Fillmore and there's Hayes.
There's William Henry Harrison, ``I died in thirty days!''
We... are... the... adequate, forgettable, occasionally regrettable
Caretaker presidents of the U-S-A!
400 | Nervous Norvous Thu, Jul 1, 2010 8:57:33am |
Mornin' All...writing code and listening to Simon and Garfunkel...Hows about yous?
401 | Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Jul 1, 2010 8:57:47am |
re: #394 Varek Raith
World's largest ship.
Knock Nevis
Image: comparison_knock_nevis_with_other_large_buildings. png
Image: jahrevikingimagecreditdelphinemenard.png
Image: knocknevis.jpg
Why should I knock Nevis? What did he ever do to me?!
402 | Nervous Norvous Thu, Jul 1, 2010 8:58:19am |
re: #401 Mad Al-Jaffee
Knock Nevis? Is that what you kids are calling it these days?
403 | Decatur Deb Thu, Jul 1, 2010 8:58:57am |
re: #400 PT Barnum
Mornin' All...writing code and listening to Simon and Garfunkel...Hows about yous?
We've all gone to look for America.
404 | Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Jul 1, 2010 8:59:05am |
re: #400 PT Barnum
Mornin' All...writing code and listening to Simon and Garfunkel...Hows about yous?
Sound better than writing Simon & Garfunkel and listening to code.
405 | lawhawk Thu, Jul 1, 2010 8:59:10am |
re: #401 Mad Al-Jaffee
Especially when it's such a pretty place.
406 | albusteve Thu, Jul 1, 2010 8:59:22am |
Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Calif., the committee’s ranking member, has announced he will release a report later today on the oil spill response. It appears to bolster criticisms from both the Left and the Right that have rained down on the administration since this disaster began.
not good for the admin if true...look for the report
Read more at the Washington Examiner: [Link: www.washingtonexaminer.com...]
408 | HappyBenghazi Thu, Jul 1, 2010 9:00:00am |
Funny presidential story but I always liked to joke that Rutherford B. Hayes resembled the snow shoveling neighbor in Home Alone. And then I took a class on the presidents last winter and I learned he was an all right president too. Real great class taught by Richard Norton Smith who has been the director of a few presidential libraries and has written books on figures like Thomas Dewey. Real nice guy and funny too.
409 | Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears Thu, Jul 1, 2010 9:01:46am |
re: #400 PT Barnum
Mornin' All...writing code and listening to Simon and Garfunkel...Hows about yous?
Doing security changes and listening to The Talking Heads myself. :)
410 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jul 1, 2010 9:02:53am |
re: #406 albusteve
It's alright, Steve... He's #15.
411 | Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears Thu, Jul 1, 2010 9:03:36am |
re: #396 HappyWarrior
Surprised to see Monroe in the top ten. Not knocking Monroe of course but surprised given that a re-ranking is usually the result of scholarly re-evaluation and I haven't heard any about Monroe. Always enjoy looking at these rankings this all said.
Interesting to find Nixon in there and see that relative to his place in the list overalll he has decent to good ratings for domestic and foreign accomplishments. Effective at some things in spite of himself, or simply using whatever means to achieve an desired result?
412 | Decatur Deb Thu, Jul 1, 2010 9:05:34am |
re: #387 lawhawk
It's based on a ranking by 238 presidential scholars - academics - who are more likely than not on the left side of the political spectrum. I can sort of understand the overall rankings, but to give FDR near top marks on immigration? Sorry, I don't buy that - and I think some of the more recent presidents are being seen through the prism of the current immigration debate (which is about illegal aliens, and not quotas for legal immigration - as was the case for many of the earlier presidents).
Had to go look at FDR/Immigration--seems pretty lackluster. It is probably some kind of halo effect from other accomplishments. I think Pres Ford got ripped off. Pardoning Nixon took more integrity than anything I've seen, and Ford should be higher than several above him.
413 | Fozzie Bear Thu, Jul 1, 2010 9:06:04am |
re: #363 tnguitarist
I link to this article because it lists the Klan's "agenda". With all the talk of Sharron Angle recently, it's interesting to note that even a racist hate-group believes that a woman should have the right to an abortion in the case of rape, incest, or a threat to the mother's life.
LOL.
Sharron Angle makes the Klan seem reasonable in comparison.
414 | laZardo Thu, Jul 1, 2010 9:06:24am |
re: #411 oaktree
Interesting to find Nixon in there and see that relative to his place in the list overalll he has decent to good ratings for domestic and foreign accomplishments. Effective at some things in spite of himself, or simply using whatever means to achieve an desired result?
The torment of genius.
/read somewhere that it was Nixon that had the highest presidential IQ...
417 | albusteve Thu, Jul 1, 2010 9:07:17am |
The International Union of Operating Engineers and the Laborers’ District Council of Chicago have voted to walk off the job Wednesday night leaving roadwork on the Eisenhower expressway stalled and travelers inconvenienced.
The union is demanding a 5 percent raise each of three years to come. Employers counter offered 1 percent. Currently workers make $35.20 an hour for the laborers and up to $45.10 for the operating engineers (machine operators).
[Link: canadafreepress.com...]
418 | Dizzy Thu, Jul 1, 2010 9:07:32am |
Some unfortunate news, Michael Totten reports that Christopher Hitchens has cancer.
I would like to wish Mr. Hitchens a speedy recovery.
419 | Nervous Norvous Thu, Jul 1, 2010 9:07:43am |
re: #409 oaktree
Doing security changes and listening to The Talking Heads myself. :)
Talking Heads used to be my favorite coding music, but I've mellowed over time
420 | brennant Thu, Jul 1, 2010 9:08:36am |
re: #419 PT Barnum
If you ever get a chance to see David Burn - do it. Great show!
421 | Varek Raith Thu, Jul 1, 2010 9:09:08am |
re: #419 PT Barnum
Talking Heads used to be my favorite coding music, but I've mellowed over time
Lol.
I listen to J-pop.
XD
422 | Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears Thu, Jul 1, 2010 9:09:25am |
re: #414 laZardo
The torment of genius.
/read somewhere that it was Nixon that had the highest presidential IQ...
But he had a good Republican body. Flabby, pasty skin, riddled with phlebitis... ;)
423 | Decatur Deb Thu, Jul 1, 2010 9:10:32am |
re: #417 albusteve
The International Union of Operating Engineers and the Laborers’ District Council of Chicago have voted to walk off the job Wednesday night leaving roadwork on the Eisenhower expressway stalled and travelers inconvenienced.
The union is demanding a 5 percent raise each of three years to come. Employers counter offered 1 percent. Currently workers make $35.20 an hour for the laborers and up to $45.10 for the operating engineers (machine operators).[Link: canadafreepress.com...]
Their concrete will probably meet ASTM standards. how much did the CEO of AIG make per hour while sabotaging the economy?
424 | Gus Thu, Jul 1, 2010 9:11:26am |
re: #406 albusteve
Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Calif., the committee’s ranking member, has announced he will release a report later today on the oil spill response. It appears to bolster criticisms from both the Left and the Right that have rained down on the administration since this disaster began.
not good for the admin if true...look for the report
Read more at the Washington Examiner: [Link: www.washingtonexaminer.com...]
Authored by Rep. Darrell Issa (R-CA). Let have a look at Rep. Issa's background:
Darrell Issa (R-CA) Criticism and controversy
Allegations of criminal involvement in early years
In 1971, Issa allegedly stole a Dodge sedan from an Army post near Pittsburgh. The allegation was made by a retired Army sergeant, and published in a 1998 newspaper article. Issa denied the allegation. No charges were filed. In 1972, Issa and his brother allegedly stole a red Maserati sports car from a car dealership in Cleveland. He and his brother were indicted for car theft, but the case was dropped. That same year, Issa was convicted in Michigan for possession of an unregistered gun. He received three months probation and paid a $204 fine.
On December 28, 1979, Issa and his brother allegedly faked the theft of Issa's Mercedes Benz sedan. Issa and his brother were charged for grand theft auto, but the case was dropped by prosecutors for lack of evidence. Later, Issa and his brother were charged for misdemeanors, but that case was not pursued by prosecutors. Issa accused his brother of stealing the car, and said that the experience with his brother was the reason he went into the car alarm business.
A day after a court order was issued, giving Issa control of automotive alarm company A.C. Custom over an unpaid $60,000 debt, Issa allegedly carried a cardboard box containing a handgun into the office of A.C. Custom executive, Jack Frantz, and told Frantz he was fired. In a 1998 newspaper article, Frantz said Issa had invited him to hold the gun and claimed extensive knowledge of guns and explosives from his Army service. In response, Issa said, "Shots were never fired. ... I don't recall having a gun. I really don't. I don't think I ever pulled a gun on anyone in my life."
Blackwater controversy
On February 7, 2007, during a hearing in which four mothers, wives, and daughters of four security guards killed in Iraq testified in front of the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, Issa made controversial remarks, implying that the hearing was partisan and insinuating that the women's testimony was written by their attorney. The families have sued North Carolina-based Blackwater USA, the company that employed their relatives as security guards, to gain information about the circumstances surrounding the men’s deaths, and to seek compensatory damages. Congresswoman Janice Schakowsky of Illinois lambasted Issa saying, "I also wanted to take exception to questions about who wrote this, first of all, because I think clearly the implication was that somehow these wonderful women could not possibly have written that wonderful, heartfelt testimony and that it took a lawyer in order to put it together and I resent that very much."
9/11 victims
In April 2008, Issa said that the federal government "just threw" buckets of cash at New York for the September 11, 2001 attacks "that had no dirty bomb in it, it had no chemical munitions in it." He went on: "I have to ask ... why the firefighters who went there and everybody in the city of New York needs to come to the federal government for the dollars versus this being primarily a state consideration."
425 | MandyManners Thu, Jul 1, 2010 9:11:49am |
The green onions have been coming in for weeks, the cukes and banana peppers for a week and now the tomatoes are ripening!!! I love summer.
426 | Nervous Norvous Thu, Jul 1, 2010 9:13:07am |
re: #424 Gus 802
But he is throwing bombs at Obama which makes steve's ODS go all tingly.
427 | albusteve Thu, Jul 1, 2010 9:13:10am |
New report slams White House spill response
Rep. Darrell Issa’s (R-Calif.) report on the Gulf of Mexico oil spill is titled “How the White House Public Relations Campaign on the Oil Spill is Harming the Actual Clean-up.”
“The evidence on the ground suggests that the White House has been more focused on the public relations of this crisis than with providing local officials the resources they need to deal with it,” he said in a prepared statement.
seems like a big story to me....considering the epic scale of this disaster
[Link: thehill.com...]
428 | Four More Tears Thu, Jul 1, 2010 9:13:48am |
Chris Matthews interviewed Rick Barber yesterday. "Are you a metaphor for a guy running for office or are you a real candidate?"
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]
429 | HappyBenghazi Thu, Jul 1, 2010 9:14:06am |
re: #411 oaktree
Interesting to find Nixon in there and see that relative to his place in the list overalll he has decent to good ratings for domestic and foreign accomplishments. Effective at some things in spite of himself, or simply using whatever means to achieve an desired result?
God this is an interesting question and I researched his domestic policies for a research paper in the same presidential class I mentioned earlier. Nixon's so complicated for me. He was a self made guy and I always admire that and I would have approved of many of his policies but he was unlikable and paranoid as hell too. His memoirs were fascinating though. He talked about how when the Germans invaded the Soviet Union, he supported the Soviets which I found interesting given that many in public office those days including Truman just wanted them to destroy each other.
430 | albusteve Thu, Jul 1, 2010 9:14:16am |
re: #424 Gus 802
yes, the messenger...but it will all come out sooner or later
431 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jul 1, 2010 9:15:35am |
432 | Decatur Deb Thu, Jul 1, 2010 9:15:36am |
re: #428 JasonA
Chris Matthews interviewed Rick Barber yesterday. "Are you a metaphor for a guy running for office or are you a real candidate?"
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]
Ya don't call a God-fearin', well-armed Alabama politician a Metro-phore.
433 | MandyManners Thu, Jul 1, 2010 9:16:27am |
re: #428 JasonA
Chris Matthews interviewed Rick Barber yesterday. "Are you a metaphor for a guy running for office or are you a real candidate?"
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]
Chris Matthews is a fucking Prog tool.
434 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jul 1, 2010 9:16:38am |
re: #424 Gus 802
Heh... y'all have been working on that, huh. Pretty quick, there.
435 | laZardo Thu, Jul 1, 2010 9:16:43am |
436 | albusteve Thu, Jul 1, 2010 9:16:50am |
re: #426 PT Barnum
But he is throwing bombs at Obama which makes steve's ODS go all tingly.
no comment on the story?...if a blurb is posted about the cleanup it will certainly involve BO....you can unbunch your undies
437 | Fozzie Bear Thu, Jul 1, 2010 9:17:06am |
438 | Gus Thu, Jul 1, 2010 9:17:38am |
re: #417 albusteve
The International Union of Operating Engineers and the Laborers’ District Council of Chicago have voted to walk off the job Wednesday night leaving roadwork on the Eisenhower expressway stalled and travelers inconvenienced.
The union is demanding a 5 percent raise each of three years to come. Employers counter offered 1 percent. Currently workers make $35.20 an hour for the laborers and up to $45.10 for the operating engineers (machine operators).[Link: canadafreepress.com...]
Good for them. It's nice to see that some people are making a very decent living wage in this age of grown men being payed millions of doallars a year to bounce a rubber ball up and down a basketball court.
Interesting author there. Warrner Todd Huston -- conservative activist. Looks like he has a columns at the Teabagger site Renew America and NewsBusters. He also blogs for those creeps ovr at Stop the ACLU. Par for the course though being that he's a wingnut.
439 | wrenchwench Thu, Jul 1, 2010 9:18:25am |
re: #433 MandyManners
Downding for the use of the word "tool".
440 | Gus Thu, Jul 1, 2010 9:18:31am |
re: #434 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Heh... y'all have been working on that, huh. Pretty quick, there.
Albusteve and I had this planned all along.
//
441 | albusteve Thu, Jul 1, 2010 9:19:23am |
re: #438 Gus 802
Good for them. It's nice to see that some people are making a very decent living wage in this age of grown men being payed millions of doallars a year to bounce a rubber ball up and down a basketball court.
Interesting author there. Warrner Todd Huston -- conservative activist. Looks like he has a columns at the Teabagger site Renew America and NewsBusters. He also blogs for those creeps ovr at Stop the ACLU. Par for the course though being that he's a wingnut.
so the story is bunk?...could be, to wait and see
442 | Four More Tears Thu, Jul 1, 2010 9:19:58am |
443 | Nervous Norvous Thu, Jul 1, 2010 9:20:01am |
re: #436 albusteve
no comment on the story?...if a blurb is posted about the cleanup it will certainly involve BO...you can unbunch your undies
I don't give Issa much credibility. He's proven time and time again, that he's a partisan hack.
444 | Decatur Deb Thu, Jul 1, 2010 9:20:36am |
re: #439 wrenchwench
Downding for the use of the word "tool".
What? Half upding for "Prog", half for "fucking".
445 | Killgore Trout Thu, Jul 1, 2010 9:20:56am |
re: #425 MandyManners
The green onions have been coming in for weeks, the cukes and banana peppers for a week and now the tomatoes are ripening!!! I love summer.
Lucky you! My tomatoes are still just a few inches high. I have some peas and carrots doing well and the beans are starting to grow. I'm placing my gardening hopes this year on fall crops like squash.
446 | Gus Thu, Jul 1, 2010 9:21:16am |
re: #436 albusteve
no comment on the story?...if a blurb is posted about the cleanup it will certainly involve BO...you can unbunch your undies
I would like to note for the record that I didn't direct any ad hominem towards Albusteve. I merely posted what I felt to be relevant and that was it. Not a peep about Albusteve.
Yet his immediate rebuttal to me is:
unbunch your undies
447 | Fozzie Bear Thu, Jul 1, 2010 9:22:27am |
re: #446 Gus 802
He's just looking out for your anus. Hemorrhoids are serious business.
448 | Nervous Norvous Thu, Jul 1, 2010 9:22:33am |
re: #446 Gus 802
I would like to note for the record that I didn't direct any ad hominem towards Albusteve. I merely posted what I felt to be relevant and that was it. Not a peep about Albusteve.
Yet his immediate rebuttal to me is:
unbunch your undies
that's just how he rolls...tries to give you a wedgie and then asks you why you have one.
449 | Nervous Norvous Thu, Jul 1, 2010 9:23:36am |
re: #447 Fozzie Bear
He's just looking out for your anus. Hemorrhoids are serious business.
Uranus? Out past Saturn, isn't it? Covered by large gas clouds? Has big rings around it?
451 | wrenchwench Thu, Jul 1, 2010 9:24:24am |
re: #444 Decatur Deb
What? Half upding for "Prog", half for "fucking".
I'm on record as opposed to the use of the word "tool" as an insult.
452 | Nervous Norvous Thu, Jul 1, 2010 9:25:20am |
453 | Ericus58 Thu, Jul 1, 2010 9:26:39am |
re: #424 Gus 802
Issa is a weasel. Fact.
Does the merits of the report stand on their own?
454 | albusteve Thu, Jul 1, 2010 9:27:36am |
re: #448 PT Barnum
that's just how he rolls...tries to give you a wedgie and then asks you why you have one.
I post these stories for their interest or controvercy....they don't necessarily reflect my point of view...I post them to stimulate debate and so folks can give an opinion...attacking me every morning for posting them seems more important than the issues themselves...but I'm still going to post what I consider worthy....you can do the same if you want, but you won't run me off with your continuous belittling
455 | Decatur Deb Thu, Jul 1, 2010 9:27:55am |
re: #451 wrenchwench
I'm on record as opposed to the use of the word "tool" as an insult.
That Plumb makes you sound like a King Dick.
456 | lawhawk Thu, Jul 1, 2010 9:29:28am |
Fix the broken immigration system. Yes, the system is broken. Everyone knows that it's broken. So what are we to do to "fix" it?
Speaking to lawmakers, academics, and community leaders gathered at American University, Obama touted his plan by stressing the immeasurable contributions that immigrants have made to the United States, and the frequent discrimination they faced throughout history. "Immigrants have always helped to build and defend this country," Obama said.Obama also put the onus on Republicans to pass a comprehensive immigration law, saying Congress cannot pass it without GOP votes. "That is the political and mathematical reality," he said.
While Obama's plan would include a path to citizenship as well as tighter borders, its chances for passage in Congress don't appear to be great.
Congressional Republicans, and some Democrats, said the government should focus on better law enforcement better moving on to such things as guest worker programs. In the meantime, lawmakers who are already grappling with new Wall Street regulations and an energy bill are also looking at congressional elections only four months from tomorrow.
Legal immigrants have helped build and defend the country - that's not and hasn't been the problem confronting the country these days. It's about the illegal immigrants. It's about border control and enforcing the laws already on the books. Throwing more laws on the books and poor/inadequate enforcement means that the problem continues.
Some kind of pathway for making illegal immigrants status legal is going to happen, but how to make that happen while giving preference to those who legally came to the US and are seeking citizenship through the current channels is the problem.
To me, amnesty is a non starter because it disincentivizes people coming to the US via legal channels. Why bother going through the hoops if you can cross the border, start up a life here and a few years down the road be given the rights of citizenship or legal resident.
I'd support some kind of fee/penalty, application, and pathway to legal residency - from which citizenship can then follow (if following all the guidelines during that legal residency period). Those who do not pay the fees/penalties, do not fulfill the terms of the application and then the legal residency requirements should be deported (as is and should be current immigration law practice).
457 | MandyManners Thu, Jul 1, 2010 9:29:31am |
re: #445 Killgore Trout
Lucky you! My tomatoes are still just a few inches high. I have some peas and carrots doing well and the beans are starting to grow. I'm placing my gardening hopes this year on fall crops like squash.
My butternut's coming along nicely.
458 | albusteve Thu, Jul 1, 2010 9:30:38am |
spill payouts...
CNSNews.com) – The man who will administer the claims process for individuals and businesses seeking compensation from the $20 billion fund established by BP in the wake of its oil rig explosion and ongoing spillage said he will follow federal immigration and tax laws when deciding the eligibility of claimants, meaning he will not make payments to people who are not legally authorized to work in the United States.
another facet of a growing and complex problem
[Link: www.cnsnews.com...]
459 | MandyManners Thu, Jul 1, 2010 9:31:45am |
re: #456 lawhawk
Those who do not pay the fees/penalties, do not fulfill the terms of the application and then the legal residency requirements should be deported (as is and should be current immigration law practice).
What's to stop them from coming back?!
460 | Decatur Deb Thu, Jul 1, 2010 9:31:58am |
re: #456 lawhawk
Can we start collecting this sort of assessment into a page, for some future thread dedicated to solutions/strategies instead of "whinings"?
461 | Decatur Deb Thu, Jul 1, 2010 9:32:21am |
462 | goddamnedfrank Thu, Jul 1, 2010 9:32:24am |
re: #451 wrenchwench
I'm on record as opposed to the use of the word "tool" as an insult.
I get your point, Chris King makes some beautiful stuff.
463 | wrenchwench Thu, Jul 1, 2010 9:32:49am |
464 | Decatur Deb Thu, Jul 1, 2010 9:33:49am |
465 | Gus Thu, Jul 1, 2010 9:34:28am |
re: #453 Ericus58
Issa is a weasel. Fact.
Does the merits of the report stand on their own?
Maybe yes and maybe no. However, according to the "headline" thinkers apparently it's a foregone conclusion: it's Obama's fault. I don't think we need a master in psychology to assume that given that Issa is Republican that this "report" will be biased against the administration.
466 | blueraven Thu, Jul 1, 2010 9:35:12am |
re: #454 albusteve
I post these stories for their interest or controvercy...they don't necessarily reflect my point of view...I post them to stimulate debate and so folks can give an opinion...attacking me every morning for posting them seems more important than the issues themselves...but I'm still going to post what I consider worthy...you can do the same if you want, but you won't run me off with your continuous belittling
You post to stimulate debate? Then why the personal attacks when someone posts a counter position?
467 | albusteve Thu, Jul 1, 2010 9:38:51am |
re: #466 blueraven
You post to stimulate debate? Then why the personal attacks when someone posts a counter position?
when did I do that?
468 | Decatur Deb Thu, Jul 1, 2010 9:39:01am |
re: #463 wrenchwench
King Dick Bicycle Wrench
[Link: www.tias.com...]
469 | albusteve Thu, Jul 1, 2010 9:40:48am |
re: #465 Gus 802
Maybe yes and maybe no. However, according to the "headline" thinkers apparently it's a foregone conclusion: it's Obama's fault. I don't think we need a master in psychology to assume that given that Issa is Republican that this "report" will be biased against the administration.
if the report is biased and inaccurate, the it and Issa should be shredded
470 | goddamnedfrank Thu, Jul 1, 2010 9:49:53am |
re: #469 albusteve
if the report is biased and inaccurate, the it and Issa should be shredded
If? You are acting incredibly credulous for someone who knows exactly who Darrel Issa is. Confirmation bias is the only reasonable explanation for why "this seems like a big story" to you.
471 | albusteve Thu, Jul 1, 2010 9:50:50am |
re: #470 goddamnedfrank
If? You are acting incredibly credulous for someone who knows exactly who Darrel Issa is. Confirmation bias is the only reasonable explanation for why "this seems like a big story" to you.
poor frank...wrong again
472 | book&page Thu, Jul 1, 2010 9:52:14pm |
Geez! I step outside for a long (4 years, Charles?) breath of air and come back to find I'm STILL the mayor of the DeadThread. Todd has always had issues, but he is one helluva! singer/songwriter/guitarist/producer/engineer/ (OK, what am I leaving out?... oh yeah) performer! Anybody still have Nazz LP's? I do! And I can't see a thing til you open my eyes! PS - Hey Nonic, you still around?