Rep. Gohmert and the Changeling Terror Babies From the Future

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Louie Gohmert. If ever a name were a window into a man’s soul. Rep. Gohmert (R-Texas) was last seen at LGF when he appeared on the Alex Jones show, discussing the Obama administration’s secret plan to euthanize senior citizens just like Hitler, and when he said the Obama administration’s $20 billion deal with BP was a step toward tyranny. Just like Hitler.

But these were mere warmups for Gohmert’s latest cause — sounding the warning about terrorist anchor babies that will be taken overseas, raised as jihadists, and returned to our soil in 30 years to wreak havoc.

That’s why we need to get rid of that pesky 14th amendment, see, so we can protect ourselves from changeling terror babies from the future. Before it’s too late.

Thank you, Fox Business News, for helping Louie save America.

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1 boxhead  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 12:15:32am

Fox is such a complicit POS into the direct stooopiding of our Country. When can they be charged with a crime?

I was changing channels between CNN, MSNBC and FOX News on Wed morning. CNN had people talking about Afghanistan, MSNBC was talking about the oil spill, and FOX was talking to a parent of a young student in a school where they don't say the Pledge of Allegiance every day even though it is a state law. Mass I think.... While I am a big fan of the Pledge, the FOX folks were in a complete lather about it. We have bigger issues. That issue should be a local one. It will not kill people, nor bankrupt people, nor destroy the environment.

aaaarrrrrrrgggg

2 Bagua  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 12:17:53am

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3 Boogberg  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 12:36:04am

re: #2 Bagua

Dude.

4 Bagua  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 12:58:28am

re: #3 Boogberg

Dude.

Good stuff, eh?

5 Bagua  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 12:59:05am

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6 Irenicum  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 1:00:26am

Damn. That's some seriously bad crazy going on. And I can't believe I'm up this late. G'nite!

7 Batman  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 1:03:08am

It's people like this who give us wackos a bad name. We in the wackjob community repudiate this man.

8 Gus  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 1:03:26am

What would stop legal immigrants from engaging in this practice? Nothing. This is 100 percent paranoia and fear mongering. Gomer is using unsubstantiated fears of terrorism to advance their campaign against the 14th Amendment. He offers no evidence and fails to even fabricate an anecdotal example.

9 Bagua  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 1:04:07am

re: #7 nonsense

It's people like this who give us wackos a bad name. We in the wackjob community repudiate this man.

I take it you don't like my music?

10 Gus  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 1:04:07am

re: #7 nonsense

It's people like this who give us wackos a bad name. We in the wackjob community repudiate this man.

Who sent you here to say that?!

//

11 Usually refered to as anyways  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 1:04:59am

re: #5 Bagua

Evening Bagua,

I'm waiting on a server rebuild I'm doing, thought I would take up Walters challenge, sorry your stars not gold, from downstairs just now.

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12 Bagua  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 1:06:05am

re: #10 Gus 802

Who sent you here to say that?!

//

It's like he knows.

13 boxhead  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 1:07:51am

re: #8 Gus 802

What would stop legal immigrants from engaging in this practice? Nothing. This is 100 percent paranoia and fear mongering. Gomer is using unsubstantiated fears of terrorism to advance their campaign against the 14th Amendment. He offers no evidence and fails to even fabricate an anecdotal example.

It is a blatant ploy by FOX to use nonsense to rile the masses and distract what is important. You can insert any of their non issues into the equation. All you have to add is FOX air time and some drooling TV personalities in a constant state of OMG.

14 Bagua  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 1:09:30am

re: #11 ozbloke

For real. I thought you had just copied Walters post before. What sort of programing is involved?

15 Usually refered to as anyways  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 1:14:24am

re: #14 Bagua

Last time I did copy it, he didn't bite...
So this time I thought I should do it for real.

Thats some quick and dirty html parsing...
Just some fun while I was waiting...

But if you are ever in the top ten, you will get your star.

Cheers

16 Gus  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 1:15:45am

re: #13 boxhead

It is a blatant ploy by FOX to use nonsense to rile the masses and distract what is important. You can insert any of their non issues into the equation. All you have to add is FOX air time and some drooling TV personalities in a constant state of OMG.

Made me laugh inside because I pictured a cute baby being sent back to some "host nation" to fulfill Gomer's nightmare.

US or foreign intelligence would easily pick up on such a scheme. They are also able to identify training sites and individuals that are being trained for terrorist activities on foreign soil. The same would be true regardless if it was an infant growing into a young man with no record or a foreign recruited Mujahideen who has a clean record.

The key is to interdict during planning and/or training. If you don't do that the Mujahideen I mentioned above would still be able to enter unnoticed if his record was clean yet without the authorities knowing of his involvement with the planning and/or training of a terrorist attack.

17 Gus  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 1:18:06am

re: #11 ozbloke

Evening Bagua,

I'm waiting on a server rebuild I'm doing, thought I would take up Walters challenge, sorry your stars not gold, from downstairs just now.

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I finally started yapping towards the end. Even then it amounted to only 4 percent. Again, as noted earlier, that's an ideologically mixed group of people.

18 boxhead  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 1:19:58am

re: #16 Gus 802

I agree on the tasks we must do to minimize intrusions into our Country by trained asshats. The Feds know this, the CIA knows this, etc. No President will ever consider stop doing what is needed once the first National Security meeting ends for the new Pres.

But like I said, this is just another distraction like shiny keys to a toddler.

19 Gus  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 1:21:09am

re: #18 boxhead

I agree on the tasks we must do to minimize intrusions into our Country by trained asshats. The Feds know this, the CIA knows this, etc. No President will ever consider stop doing what is needed once the first National Security meeting ends for the new Pres.

But like I said, this is just another distraction like shiny keys to a toddler.

Yep. It's fear mongering.

20 Bagua  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 1:21:34am

re: #17 Gus 802

I finally started yapping towards the end. Even then it amounted to only 4 percent. Again, as noted earlier, that's an ideologically mixed group of people.

Yeah, you were pretty quiet until you started talking. Notice how I got a star next to my name.

21 boxhead  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 1:22:40am

re: #19 Gus 802

Yep. It's fear mongering.


Is there anything that can be done? I submit that is does serious harm to the USA.

22 Gus  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 1:22:47am

re: #20 Bagua

Yeah, you were pretty quiet until you started talking. Notice how I got a star next to my name.

I had one of those low key headaches from driving around this afternoon.

23 Usually refered to as anyways  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 1:23:58am

re: #17 Gus 802

Hi Gus,

The numbers also do not take into consideration people like me.

I have read here for a few years, I like to hear different views, but I don't comment much.
I only registered recently to encourage a few posters that I admire...

24 boxhead  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 1:25:10am

re: #23 ozbloke

Hi Gus,

The numbers also do not take into consideration people like me.

I have read here for a few years, I like to hear different views, but I don't comment much.
I only registered recently to encourage a few posters that I admire...

ditto on the reading more than commenting aspect.

25 Gus  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 1:26:20am

re: #21 boxhead

Is there anything that can be done? I submit that is does serious harm to the USA.

I can't think anything off hand other than to request that Gohmert "prove it". I don't like the idea of having immigrants show "proof of health insurance" at all.

26 Usually refered to as anyways  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 1:27:07am

re: #24 boxhead

I find there are many on this blog, with specific depth on particular subjects. I more often than not come away learning something, or questioning my current views.

Its a great read...

27 boxhead  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 1:28:14am

re: #25 Gus 802

I can't think anything off hand other than to request that Gohmert "prove it". I don't like the idea of having immigrants show "proof of health insurance" at all.

No.. you misunderstand what I meant... although I agree with what you said.

I hate what FOX is doing to our Country. The people working there are not dumb. They know what they are misleading people.

28 boxhead  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 1:29:41am

re: #26 ozbloke

yep... I do learn and thus question my views based on new info... seams like a good thing to do. :)

29 Boogberg  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 1:30:04am

Just for the record, Gomer Pyle was a decent and good-hearted character. His small town sensibilities and sense of right and wrong saved Sgt. Carter's ass on numerous occasions.

30 Gus  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 1:30:55am

re: #27 boxhead

No.. you misunderstand what I meant... although I agree with what you said.

I hate what FOX is doing to our Country. The people working there are not dumb. They know what they are misleading people.

Oh. With regards to Fox there isn't much that one can do other than provide opposing views in various media. I think they get hammered quite frequently and on a daily basis. Point, counter point, etc.

31 boxhead  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 1:31:53am

re: #29 Boogberg

Just for the record, Gomer Pyle was a decent and good-hearted character. His small town sensibilities and sense of right and wrong saved Sgt. Carter's ass on numerous occasions.


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32 boxhead  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 1:33:01am

re: #30 Gus 802

Oh. With regards to Fox there isn't much that one can do other than provide opposing views in various media. I think they get hammered quite frequently and on a daily basis. Point, counter point, etc.

I know so many good people who only watch FOX. Who think only FOX tells the truth..... All I can do is gently talk about certain subjects....

33 Boogberg  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 1:35:38am

re: #31 boxhead

Lol! :D

My point is that equating the kook from Texas with Gomer isn't accurate.

34 Gus  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 1:39:32am

re: #32 boxhead

I know so many good people who only watch FOX. Who think only FOX tells the truth... All I can do is gently talk about certain subjects...

It's a bit strange. Fox News has become a lifestyle or an ideology of its own. The devout viewers rarely stray from the channel and do not trust anything but what they hear or read from Fox News. Growing up we never saw ABC, CBS, or NBC that way. It was just news. By and large we didn't see news as being ideologically driven.

Things have changed over the years. Now the news media has target audiences like much of cable. You tailor your news for your specific audience which in turn generate revenue. It's more a reflection of what the internet was and has become. People like these comfort zones and that crosses political boundaries. Fox happens to be the most successful on two points: total viewership and an ideological dominance.

35 Boogberg  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 1:42:55am

re: #34 Gus 802

Couldn't agree more. My own Mother is mesmerized by it. We've had more than one heated argument because of it.

36 boxhead  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 1:45:59am

re: #34 Gus 802

And FOX excels at some of the best marketing ever! Me, I am a news junkie. I love to hear intelligent debate from opposing views. Search out an old Firing line where Buckley and Noam Chomsky had a great civil debate.

I teach my son as well. But the person who got me into this way of thinking is my elderly father who believes way too much on FOX. He just doesn't believe people will lie on a "news" program. We cannot talk about politics anymore... :(

arrrr, i am feelin' old...

37 Gus  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 1:48:10am

re: #35 Boogberg

Couldn't agree more. My own Mother is mesmerized by it. We've had more than one heated argument because of it.

Has she always been a Fox viewer? My mom actually became much more left because of my influence and we generally always were in agreement when I lived at home. We had a few spats when I veered to the right from about 2002 to 2008. Of course I hated that because I remembered our long talks of old and it made me fell guilty -- you know how that mother bond goes.

38 Gus  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 1:56:17am

re: #36 boxhead

And FOX excels at some of the best marketing ever! Me, I am a news junkie. I love to hear intelligent debate from opposing views. Search out an old Firing line where Buckley and Noam Chomsky had a great civil debate.

I teach my son as well. But the person who got me into this way of thinking is my elderly father who believes way too much on FOX. He just doesn't believe people will lie on a "news" program. We cannot talk about politics anymore... :(

arrr, i am feelin' old...

Firing Line with Bill Buckley was one of the most balanced opinion/interview programs ever to be broadcast at the time. Buckley wound up opening up a venue to many people that held beliefs counter to his own including Chomsky, Kerouac, Ginsberg, etc. In effect it had a "fairness doctrine" built in but I really think that Buckley enjoyed sparring with his opposites.

39 RadicalModerate  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 1:56:58am

A simple request from a Dallas resident:

Can someone in the state of Texas find a Republican who isn't either a hyper-religious, science-hating nutcase, a conspiracy freak, a corrupt asshat, or a racist slime?

Please?

40 Ruler4You  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 1:59:38am

What baffles me is that Americans are gullible enough to actually believe that the language they speak is vague enough that the meaning of the words in their context can be misconstrued to mean something the context itself has no implication of what so ever.
I took logic in college. And I have to tell you that each and every word in law, in context, is parsed and evaluated for logical sense. Lawyers are masters in the use of logic and Venn diagrams to diagram statements and law itself for logical sense. ([Link: www.cs.odu.edu...] ([Link: www.olemiss.edu...]

Each comma, hyphen, period, semi-colon, noun, pronoun, adjective, verb, contraction, conjunction et al modifies the phrase. In common parlance we call it "grammar".

To be told by politicians, who are mostly comprised of lawyers, that these laws, amendments and regulations have a meaning hidden by subtle 'interpretation' of the words is an out right lie.

Words have finite meaning in their context and to argue that subtle vagaries permit interpretations beyond their meaning within that context is snake oil.
Do not be abused by used car salesman play on words just because it is your senator or congressman that is abusing you with them.
B.J.Clinton tried to argue that the meaning of "IS" was debatable as part of his defense. Under contractual law common words are in fact redefined and are so noted on a 'definitions' page. In common language or conversation or communication unless otherwise specified words retain their common understanding by common definition.

If no definitions page exists or no declaration that certain specific words have a definition beyond the common definition is made then the common definition is the default meaning in the context. Legally. Socially. Civilly. Privately.

41 Bagua  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 1:59:45am

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42 boxhead  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 2:00:22am

re: #38 Gus 802

Firing Line with Bill Buckley was one of the most balanced opinion/interview programs ever to be broadcast at the time. Buckley wound up opening up a venue to many people that held beliefs counter to his own including Chomsky, Kerouac, Ginsberg, etc. In effect it had a "fairness doctrine" built in but I really think that Buckley enjoyed sparring with his opposites.

Hell yes he enjoyed it. The only program I know of that is even in the same areacode is "Left, Right, and Center" on NPR.

43 Gus  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 2:00:28am

re: #39 RadicalModerate

A simple request from a Dallas resident:

Can someone in the state of Texas find a Republican who isn't either a hyper-religious, science-hating nutcase, a conspiracy freak, a corrupt asshat, or a racist slime?

Please?

Kay Bailey Hutchison? Perhaps so by a some degree since I'm not really too familiar with her.

44 Boogberg  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 2:05:43am

re: #37 Gus 802

No, she hasn't. In fact, my Mom was never really in to politics. Up until several years ago, She didn't even vote. She did consider herself a democrat (probably just family tradition). I was the one who got her to start paying attention. Now we go to the polls together.

45 ryannon  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 2:09:38am

re: #40 Ruler4You

"The spectacle was born from the world’s loss of unity, and the immense expansion of the modern spectacle reveals the enormity of this loss. The abstractifying of all individual labor and the general abstractness of what is produced are perfectly reflected in the spectacle, whose manner of being concrete is precisely abstraction. In the spectacle, a part of the world presents itself to the world and is superior to it. The spectacle is simply the common language of this separation. Spectators are linked solely by their one-way relationship to the very center that keeps them isolated from each other. The spectacle thus reunites the separated, but it reunites them only in their separateness."

Ok?

46 Gus  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 2:12:11am

re: #44 Boogberg

No, she hasn't. In fact, my Mom was never really in to politics. Up until several years ago, She didn't even vote. She did consider herself a democrat (probably just family tradition). I was the one who got her to start paying attention. Now we go to the polls together.

I should probe my folks about how they voted in presidential elections. They seemed to be like Reagan Democrats for a while. Being Catholics for a long time making fun of the Pope when I was a teenager wasn't really appreciated. They sort of evolved over time and in 2000 I stayed home and they voted for Nader and had slowly morphed into agnostics. They're both creeping up on 80 years and my dad seems to be the one that keeps up with politics a bit more. I'm pretty sure they both voted for Obama in 2008.

47 Varek Raith  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 2:13:54am

Let's get rid of the first amendment as well.
You never know, someone might, in the future, use it for nefarious purposes!
Or some such.

48 Boogberg  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 2:14:09am

re: #45 ryannon

I just had an Edward Said flashback. :D

49 Gus  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 2:14:43am

re: #43 Gus 802

Kay Bailey Hutchison? Perhaps so by a some degree since I'm not really too familiar with her.

Took a peek and she's pro-choice but pro-oil. Also hasn't really decided on DADT but she fully supports the Texas GOP delegation which came up with the funky platform. She's pretty close to being a free thinker. Never heard of her saying anything stupid.

50 RadicalModerate  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 2:16:43am

re: #43 Gus 802

Kay Bailey Hutchison? Perhaps so by a some degree since I'm not really too familiar with her.

Somewhat, but not really, since she's a hardcore AGW-denier- she's resposible for the "Global Warming: The Settled Versus The Unsettled Science" memo from a few years back. Also, her rating from the League of Conservation Voters on environmental issues was the lowest-possible of zero.

51 Bagua  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 2:17:38am

re: #45 ryannon

Ok?

Baffling. I took botany in college.


The spectacle inherits the weakness of the Western philosophical project, which attempted to understand activity by means of the categories of vision, and it is based on the relentless development of the particular technical rationality that grew out of that form of thought. The spectacle does not realize philosophy, it philosophizes reality, reducing everyone’s concrete life to a universe of speculation.

52 Gus  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 2:19:11am

re: #50 RadicalModerate

Somewhat, but not really, since she's a hardcore AGW-denier- she's resposible for the "Global Warming: The Settled Versus The Unsettled Science" memo from a few years back. Also, her rating from the League of Conservation Voters on environmental issues was the lowest-possible of zero.

Zero? Wow. Like I noticed earlier she's pro-oil which I assume is because of the Texas petroleum industry.

53 Varek Raith  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 2:22:47am

At least 204 killed, hundreds injured in Congo tank explosion

(CNN) -- A government spokesman said Saturday 204 people were killed and at least 190 were injured when an oil tanker flipped over and exploded in the Democratic Republic of Congo, a government spokesman said Saturday.

Five of the dead were United Nations peacekeepers, said Mende Omalanga, the country's minister of communications.

The tanker flipped over while attempting to overtake a bus on a national road in South Kivu province, on the country's eastern border, he said.

When oil began to spill from the overturned tanker, local residents attempted to collect the oil. One was smoking a cigarette, causing the tanker to explode, Omalanga said.

He said the number of dead was expected to rise.

Some of the injured were being treated locally in surrounding villages, but most were sent to the nearby town of Uvira, he said.

54 Gus  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 2:23:05am

re: #50 RadicalModerate

Somewhat, but not really, since she's a hardcore AGW-denier- she's resposible for the "Global Warming: The Settled Versus The Unsettled Science" memo from a few years back. Also, her rating from the League of Conservation Voters on environmental issues was the lowest-possible of zero.

No wait! She's up to 18 percent now. ;)

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55 ryannon  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 2:23:20am

Yo, Bagua!

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re: #51 Bagua

Baffling. I took botany in college.


The spectacle inherits the weakness of the Western philosophical project, which attempted to understand activity by means of the categories of vision, and it is based on the relentless development of the particular technical rationality that grew out of that form of thought. The spectacle does not realize philosophy, it philosophizes reality, reducing everyone’s concrete life to a universe of speculation.

Something to soothe your soul:

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56 boxhead  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 2:24:04am

Nite all..... must sleep!!!!

57 Varek Raith  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 2:26:44am

My routine morning news gathering is complete.

Morning all!

58 Gus  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 2:28:02am

re: #57 Varek Raith

My routine morning news gathering is complete.

Morning all!

See about that tanker fire in DR Congo? 200 dead.

59 Varek Raith  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 2:29:18am

re: #58 Gus 802

See about that tanker fire in DR Congo? 200 dead.

Yep. Damn, why do people go to collect the oil? I know things are terrible there, but still...
:(

60 Gus  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 2:30:57am

re: #59 Varek Raith

Yep. Damn, why do people go to collect the oil? I know things are terrible there, but still...
:(

Right. And it was just a truck which crashed and set fire to a village. Approximately 223 dead and 110 injured according to reports.

61 ryannon  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 2:34:01am

re: #51 Bagua

It was a phrase taken out of context. I seriously recommend you take a look at Guy Debord's "The Society of the Spectacle". Along with thinkers like Jean Baudrillard, he's one of the few to have succeeded in using language to propel the reader outside of the usual constructs we use to attempt to understand what the hell is going on. Lastly, the writings of both men should not be taken as dogma as much as a series of analytical tools permitting, finally, to actually think different and thus to escape the sterility of a debate which no longer has any possible meaning other than its intrinsic lack of meaning.


The world is not dialectical - it is sworn to extremes, not to equilibrium, sworn to radical antagonism, not to reconciliation or synthesis. This is also the principle of evil.

- Jean Baudrillard

62 Boogberg  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 2:34:09am

re: #46 Gus 802

I should probe my folks about how they voted in presidential elections. They seemed to be like Reagan Democrats for a while. Being Catholics for a long time making fun of the Pope when I was a teenager wasn't really appreciated. They sort of evolved over time and in 2000 I stayed home and they voted for Nader and had slowly morphed into agnostics. They're both creeping up on 80 years and my dad seems to be the one that keeps up with politics a bit more. I'm pretty sure they both voted for Obama in 2008.

Wow. 80 years. Your folks have pretty much seen it all with regard to American politics (and some really ugly European politics as well).

I voted for Gore in 2000 but I don't think my Mom voted that year.

63 Gus  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 2:34:47am

DR Congo oil tanker blaze 'kills 200'

At least 200 people are feared dead after an oil tanker exploded and set fire to parts of a village in the Democratic Republic of Congo.

The truck, travelling from Tanzania, overturned in the village of Sange near the country's eastern border.

The fuel oil spread through the village before exploding, AFP news agency said.

At least another 100 people are believed injured. The UN has corrected earlier reports that five peacekeepers had died and now says none were killed

...

A security source in the United Nations mission in DR Congo said there were "223 dead and 110 injured".

64 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 2:35:23am
(R-Texas)

Oh Texas, you do love electing lunatics

65 ryannon  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 2:36:43am

That said, we will now return to our normal program.

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66 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 2:37:46am

re: #36 boxhead


I teach my son as well. But the person who got me into this way of thinking is my elderly father who believes way too much on FOX. He just doesn't believe people will lie on a "news" program. We cannot talk about politics anymore... :(

This is PRECISELY the Fox news demographic. People who don't believe the news channel will lie to them. That exactly.

67 Boogberg  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 2:39:36am

re: #63 Gus 802

"Such accidents are not uncommon in the region, and the death toll is often high because people try to collect spilled oil."

What. The. Fuck.

68 Gus  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 2:40:21am

re: #62 Boogberg

Wow. 80 years. Your folks have pretty much seen it all with regard to American politics (and some really ugly European politics as well).

I voted for Gore in 2000 but I don't think my Mom voted that year.

Starting around 1963. My dad came to the USA first in 1962 from Argentina just in time for the Cuban missile crisis. The thoughts at the time when he called back home was that it was nearing the end of the world so to speak.

69 Gus  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 2:44:02am

re: #67 Boogberg

"Such accidents are not uncommon in the region, and the death toll is often high because people try to collect spilled oil."

What. The. Fuck.

Probably trying to collect it for heating and cooking. Then get caught in a fire.

70 Varek Raith  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 2:44:55am

re: #69 Gus 802

Probably trying to collect it for heating and cooking. Then get caught in a fire.

According to CNN, one of the people collecting the oil was smoking a cig.

71 Varek Raith  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 2:46:05am

re: #70 Varek Raith

According to CNN, one of the people collecting the oil was smoking a cig.

And CNN got that info from the Congo's Minister of Communications.

72 ryannon  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 2:46:20am

re: #69 Gus 802

Probably trying to collect it for heating and cooking. Then get caught in a fire.

It happens every time there's a spill like that in Africa. Hundreds of people get torched trying to scoop up a little for themselves. Utterly sad.

73 Boogberg  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 2:46:37am

re: #68 Gus 802

I was born in '62. Yeah that was some serious shit. I think a lot of young people fail to understand just how close we were to the abyss back then.

74 Gus  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 2:46:57am

re: #70 Varek Raith

According to CNN, one of the people collecting the oil was smoking a cig.

Ugh. Cigs and volatile flammable gases are not a good mix.

75 Boogberg  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 2:54:07am

Coffee time! :D

76 Targetpractice  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 2:54:15am

re: #68 Gus 802

Starting around 1963. My dad came to the USA first in 1962 from Argentina just in time for the Cuban missile crisis. The thoughts at the time when he called back home was that it was nearing the end of the world so to speak.

Folks these days can't really seem to grasp how close we came to nuclear war, not just once, but multiple times. The Missile Crisis is just the most well-known because the rest were either kept quiet due to national security fears or because they happened behind the Iron Curtain and didn't become public until it fell.

77 Gus  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 2:54:21am

re: #73 Boogberg

I was born in '62. Yeah that was some serious shit. I think a lot of young people fail to understand just how close we were to the abyss back then.

It wasn't focused on too much when we were kids but it was there. I had a few nuclear war nightmares. It is kind of strange thinking about it now. I mean, being a kid and having to think about the obliteration of humankind or at least the city you live in.

I only read a few years ago about how ready we were in 1962. They basically had everything "cocked" which was the word they used in an Air and Space article I read. That meant a lot of B-47s with nuclear bombs ready to be used sitting in public airports in a few cases.

78 Varek Raith  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 2:55:38am

re: #76 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Folks these days can't really seem to grasp how close we came to nuclear war, not just once, but multiple times. The Missile Crisis is just the most well-known because the rest were either kept quiet due to national security fears or because they happened behind the Iron Curtain and didn't become public until it fell.

Yep.
I can recall at least a dozen instances...
Scary times.

79 ryannon  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 2:56:50am

re: #76 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Folks these days can't really seem to grasp how close we came to nuclear war, not just once, but multiple times. The Missile Crisis is just the most well-known because the rest were either kept quiet due to national security fears or because they happened behind the Iron Curtain and didn't become public until it fell.

You can bet your ass they didn't. But here's one story that became public:

[Link: www.wired.com...]

80 Gus  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 2:57:24am

re: #76 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Folks these days can't really seem to grasp how close we came to nuclear war, not just once, but multiple times. The Missile Crisis is just the most well-known because the rest were either kept quiet due to national security fears or because they happened behind the Iron Curtain and didn't become public until it fell.

I think the closest was during the Nixon administration. It was some kind of "electronic error."

81 Gus  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 3:00:02am

re: #80 Gus 802

I think the closest was during the Nixon administration. It was some kind of "electronic error."

Make that 1983:

On 26 September 1983, only 25 days after the Soviets shot down civilian airliner Korean Air Lines Flight 007, a Soviet early warning station under the command of Stanislav Petrov falsely detected five inbound intercontinental ballistic missiles. Petrov correctly assessed the situation as a false alarm, and hence did not report his finding to his superiors. Petrov's action likely averted a nuclear conflict, as the Soviet policy at that time was immediate nuclear response upon discovering inbound ballistic missiles

82 Gus  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 3:01:00am

re: #81 Gus 802

And:

During Able Archer 83, a ten-day NATO command post exercise starting on November 2, 1983, the Soviets readied their nuclear forces and placed air units in East Germany and Poland on alert. Many historians believe this exercise was a close call to a start to World War III.

Same link.

83 Targetpractice  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 3:01:32am

re: #79 ryannon

You can bet your ass they didn't. But here's one story that became public:

[Link: www.wired.com...]

Yep, that was one of the first that came to mind. Able Archer 83 had the Soviets absolutely convinced that the West was about to light their asses up and their spies certainly weren't helping matters by reporting even rumors as facts to their superiors. Had Petrov hit the red button, well lets just say that the USA would be a very quiet place for about 10,000 years...

84 Varek Raith  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 3:01:34am

re: #81 Gus 802

Damn!
That was a little more than a month before I was born!

Thanks, Petrov!
I, and everyone else, owe ya!

85 ryannon  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 3:01:55am

re: #81 Gus 802

More background information, and a film about it:

[Link: www.logtv.com...]

86 Gus  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 3:02:31am

re: #84 Varek Raith

Damn!
That was a little more than a month before I was born!

Thanks, Petrov!
I, and everyone else, owe ya!

Image: uniform_large.jpg

87 Varek Raith  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 3:02:38am

re: #82 Gus 802

And:

Same link.

And that was my birthday...
Good grief.
I was born around several almost nuclear holocausts...

88 Gus  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 3:05:41am

re: #85 ryannon

More background information, and a film about it:

[Link: www.logtv.com...]

re: #87 Varek Raith

And that was my birthday...
Good grief.
I was born around several almost nuclear holocausts...

"The man who saved the world by doing nothing."

That image I linked was Stanislav Petrov. Love it! World saved by smoker. :)

[Link: www.brightstarsound.com...]

89 Boogberg  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 3:06:02am

re: #77 Gus 802

We were still doing the 'hide under your school desk' drills back in '68~'69 out in Los Angeles. Pretty creepy for a five year old kid.

90 ryannon  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 3:07:00am

re: #87 Varek Raith

And that was my birthday...
Good grief.
I was born around several almost nuclear holocausts...

"Born with a snake in both of your fists
While a hurricane was blowing"

Youtube Video
91 Targetpractice  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 3:07:52am

re: #89 Boogberg

We were still doing the 'hide under your school desk' drills back in '68~'69 out in Los Angeles. Pretty creepy for a five year old kid.

It's grimly humorous to look back now on that 50s-60s public perception of nuclear war, namely the misconception that a nuclear blast is simply a more powerful conventional bomb. Just hide under your desk and don't look at the flash and you'll be A-OK.

92 Varek Raith  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 3:09:03am

re: #91 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

It's grimly humorous to look back now on that 50s-60s public perception of nuclear war, namely the misconception that a nuclear blast is simply a more powerful conventional bomb. Just hide under your desk and don't look at the flash and you'll be A-OK.

It'll protect ya from a 600+mph pressure wave, you betcha!

93 ryannon  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 3:10:42am

re: #91 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

It's grimly humorous to look back now on that 50s-60s public perception of nuclear war, namely the misconception that a nuclear blast is simply a more powerful conventional bomb. Just hide under your desk and don't look at the flash and you'll be A-OK.

The reality was too horrible to think about. In retrospect, 'Duck and cover' really meant, "Do the ostrich."

94 Gus  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 3:11:09am

re: #89 Boogberg

We were still doing the 'hide under your school desk' drills back in '68~'69 out in Los Angeles. Pretty creepy for a five year old kid.

I only did that once in 1969. What I remember the most was reading the Civil Defense brochures. There was a certain siren sound we had to listen for...

MP3 Audio

It's weird but it's the same alert for a tornado warning. So every time one goes off in Denver I think about those days.

95 ryannon  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 3:12:31am

re: #94 Gus 802

I only did that once in 1969. What I remember the most was reading the Civil Defense brochures. There was a certain siren sound we had to listen for...


[Video]

It's weird but it's the same alert for a tornado warning. So every time one goes off in Denver I think about those days.

Yes, it was uber-creepy having to listen to that as a kid in Chicago and knowing what it signified.

96 Boogberg  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 3:14:01am

re: #94 Gus 802

Oh shit dude! I just got chill bumps.

97 Varek Raith  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 3:14:32am

Stupid nuclear weapons.
Nothing but terror weapons.

98 Gus  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 3:16:55am

re: #96 Boogberg

Oh shit dude! I just got chill bumps.

I know. You get two blasts. One is the alert warning. Followed by the attack warning. Following the attack warning means you will get hit. Technically it still applies.

99 ryannon  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 3:16:58am

re: #97 Varek Raith

Stupid nuclear weapons.
Nothing but terror weapons.

As ugly as it was living with the threat, they got us through the Cold War.

Today, they've become a weapon of choice for rogue governments and extremists.

100 Targetpractice  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 3:18:31am

re: #93 ryannon

The reality was too horrible to think about. In retrospect, 'Duck and cover' really meant, "Do the ostrich."

It didn't help that even the generals in charge had no clue as to the real dangers of nuclear weapons until years after they'd been used twice. You have pictures of them marching across the area where the Trinity test had been staged wearing nothing but plastic booties over their shoes. You'd have people go out to the blast zone, pick up pieces of the radioactive glass that'd been produced by the heat, and sell them as trinkets or even turn them into necklaces.

101 Varek Raith  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 3:19:59am

[Link: www.metacafe.com...]

102 Gus  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 3:20:41am

re: #100 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

It didn't help that even the generals in charge had no clue as to the real dangers of nuclear weapons until years after they'd been used twice. You have pictures of them marching across the area where the Trinity test had been staged wearing nothing but plastic booties over their shoes. You'd have people go out to the blast zone, pick up pieces of the radioactive glass that'd been produced by the heat, and sell them as trinkets or even turn them into necklaces.

I always get a kick out of those old films. No way would I do what those guys did. Hey let's watch this nuclear blast from a trench! Not me.

103 Gus  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 3:25:38am

Alert

MP3 Audio

Attack

MP3 Audio

Valley View, Texas Thunderbolt 1000

[Link: www.civildefensemuseum.com...]

104 Gus  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 3:28:58am

It's kind of funny. They tried to "normalize" a nuclear attack. It was almost like the old smoking commercials.

105 ryannon  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 3:28:59am

re: #100 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

It didn't help that even the generals in charge had no clue as to the real dangers of nuclear weapons until years after they'd been used twice. You have pictures of them marching across the area where the Trinity test had been staged wearing nothing but plastic booties over their shoes. You'd have people go out to the blast zone, pick up pieces of the radioactive glass that'd been produced by the heat, and sell them as trinkets or even turn them into necklaces.

That's what I don't get. Somebody high up had to have known what the effects were. And yet, both in the U.S. (and France probably still other countries), enlisted men were constantly and routinely exposed to totally unacceptable levels of radiation. And many of them eventually died of the consequences. It took decades before the government even recognized its responsibility for this. I spent some time in San Bernadino, where there's a decommissioned air base that was used to service the bombers that came back after dropping A-bombs out in the desert. Men used to hose down observation planes that had repeatedly flown through the dust clouds kicked up by the explosions. Aside from the sickness and deaths this produced, the whole ground-water system from San Bernadino to Riverside is radioactive from the runoff. And all of the was back in the 50s.

That shit is really a gift that keeps on giving.

106 Gus  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 3:31:16am

Radioactive Fallout

MP3 Audio

"Why Bob I think atom bombs might be good for you."

107 ryannon  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 3:33:01am

cigar and coffee break. bbl.

108 Varek Raith  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 3:33:11am

re: #106 Gus 802

Radioactive Fallout


[Video]"Why Bob I think atom bombs might be good for you."

!
Wow...
I...uh...yeah...
:/

109 Gus  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 3:35:51am

re: #108 Varek Raith

!
Wow...
I...uh...yeah...
:/

Hey. The fun part was that back then if you said anything or worried about a nuclear attack that made you a Communist. "Patriotic Americans" never feared a nuclear attack. I kid you not.

110 Varek Raith  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 3:36:49am

re: #109 Gus 802

Hey. The fun part was that back then if you said anything or worried about a nuclear attack that made you a Communist. "Patriotic Americans" never feared a nuclear attack. I kid you not.

"I am invincible!"
/GoldenEye

111 Varek Raith  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 3:38:18am

re: #109 Gus 802

Hey. The fun part was that back then if you said anything or worried about a nuclear attack that made you a Communist. "Patriotic Americans" never feared a nuclear attack. I kid you not.

It truly is a wonder we didn't turn the Earth into a burnt cinder.

112 Gus  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 3:40:54am

re: #111 Varek Raith

It truly is a wonder we didn't turn the Earth into a burnt cinder.

Thank goodness for Perestroika. I'm still amazed but many of the nuclear militarists still seem intent on using nuclear weapons for any reason. But, that's mostly left to their imagination since diplomacy typically precludes any irrational actions.

113 Boogberg  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 3:41:03am

re: #109 Gus 802

I heard that the Soviets had a much more elaborate and protective civil defense program with massive underground bunkers and efficient evacuation procedures.

114 Gus  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 3:42:32am

re: #113 Boogberg

I heard that the Soviets had a much more elaborate and protective civil defense program with massive underground bunkers and efficient evacuation procedures.

They probably did considering they had to focus on far less targets.

115 Varek Raith  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 3:43:01am

It's 52! degrees this morning.
I think I'll go for a walk.
It'll be 100 tomorrow...
Stupid Mid-Atlantic patterns.
:)

116 Boogberg  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 3:44:11am

re: #115 Varek Raith

52 degrees? I hate you. ;)

117 Gus  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 3:45:30am

re: #115 Varek Raith

It's 52! degrees this morning.
I think I'll go for a walk.
It'll be 100 tomorrow...
Stupid Mid-Atlantic patterns.
:)

100? Yuck. We hit 98 already. It was supposed to be 100. I ignored it being that I hate hot weather unless I'm on the beach or on a boat.

118 Varek Raith  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 3:45:39am

re: #116 Boogberg

52 degrees? I hate you. ;)

It was 48 yesterday morning.
:P

119 Varek Raith  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 3:46:37am

re: #117 Gus 802

100? Yuck. We hit 98 already. It was supposed to be 100. I ignored it being that I hate hot weather unless I'm on the beach or on a boat.

Yeah.
This past week was cool and dry.
Next week? Hotter than hell and humid as a jungle.
Go figure.

120 Boogberg  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 3:46:45am

re: #118 Varek Raith

Bastard! lol

121 Targetpractice  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 3:48:06am

re: #105 ryannon

Hell, that's not some of the scariest shit. The Air Force investigated nuclear-powered bombers and cruise missiles, before little things like the fact that operating them would mean belching out clouds of radioactive particles over population centers nixed further development. The cruise missile program, dubbed Project Pluto, even got up to ground-testing a functional prototype before it got the axe.

Though, I don't think that even holds a candle to the way the Soviets went about nuclear power in their military. The Soviet Navy view of nuclear-powered subs was that it was nothing more than an upgrade, instead of a finicky and potentially dangerous power source for which the utmost care must be taken in utilizng it. They designed the most convoluted, dangerous reactor designs, crammed them into conventional subs, and then sent them to sea with engineers who had pretty much no functioning knowledge of how they were supposed to function. You have to pretty much be a genius in the US Navy to be considered for the nuke program, but the Soviets were taking conscript engineers and telling them "Watch this gauge. If it goes past here, hit this button. Otherwise, make sure not to get caught drunk while on watch."

122 Varek Raith  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 3:50:16am

BBL.

123 Gus  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 3:50:31am

re: #119 Varek Raith

Yeah.
This past week was cool and dry.
Next week? Hotter than hell and humid as a jungle.
Go figure.

It's all screwed up. The weather. We had a cold spell this winter but it was still warmer than other winters. Overall it was a mild winter.

125 Boogberg  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 3:57:22am

re: #121 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Funny you mention that. The fact that I had smoked pot excluded me from the Navy's nuclear division back in the very early 80's.

126 Gus  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 4:01:13am

re: #125 Boogberg

Funny you mention that. The fact that I had smoked pot excluded me from the Navy's nuclear division back in the very early 80's.

I had a friend that was booted out of nukes after they found some seeds. So, they transferred him to an LSD.

127 Boogberg  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 4:04:52am

Lol!

One thing's for sure, LSD and nukes don't go together. "Look at the pretty colors!" :D

128 Gus  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 4:07:21am

re: #127 Boogberg

Lol!

One thing's for sure, LSD and nukes don't go together. "Look at the pretty colors!" :D

Yeah it doesn't. I think if someone's dropping acid they should be released. LSD of course is a Landing Ship Dock.

129 Targetpractice  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 4:07:59am

re: #125 Boogberg

Funny you mention that. The fact that I had smoked pot excluded me from the Navy's nuclear division back in the very early 80's.

Yeah, the Navy has always been positively anal when it comes to the nuke program. Back before he retired, you had to receive Adm. Rickover's blessing to be admitted in. If he nixed you, that was it, you had to go into something else.

130 Boogberg  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 4:10:18am

re: #128 Gus 802

Yeah I figured it was a double entendre (or however the fuck you spell it). :D

131 Gus  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 4:13:15am

re: #129 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Yeah, the Navy has always been positively anal when it comes to the nuke program. Back before he retired, you had to receive Adm. Rickover's blessing to be admitted in. If he nixed you, that was it, you had to go into something else.

Rickover was an asshole.

132 Gus  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 4:17:03am

Admiral Rickover and the Cult of Personality

[Link: www.airpower.maxwell.af.mil...]

133 Boogberg  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 4:17:23am

re: #129 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Yeah, the Navy has always been positively anal when it comes to the nuke program. Back before he retired, you had to receive Adm. Rickover's blessing to be admitted in. If he nixed you, that was it, you had to go into something else.

The recruiter told me the Navy would interview every single living person I had ever known and that, if I was lying, I would be prosecuted. Scary shit for a 17 yr old.

134 Gus  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 4:20:28am

Time to sleep. Night all.

135 Targetpractice  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 4:22:14am

re: #131 Gus 802

Rickover was an asshole.

Rickover had the fortune to be an officer back in the days when being an asshole was a forgivable sin if you got things done.

136 Boogberg  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 4:23:47am

re: #134 Gus 802

Nighters. Don't buy mattresses in New York. :D

137 Boogberg  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 4:57:28am

Lady Gaga more popular than the President

Well, so much for "Obamassiah". :D

138 Boogberg  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 5:04:41am

Is the internet still on? Testing one two three...

139 Honorary Consul General  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 5:04:53am

Morning all. Went to my 25th High Skool reunion last night. (the casual part. Fancy is tonight, I ain't going). Was a fucking blast. And some red head was checking me out. Of course my friends tell me this AFTER THE FACT!!

140 Honorary Consul General  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 5:06:10am

re: #139 Cannadian Club Akbar

Oh, yea. And today I'm going boating.:)

141 Boogberg  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 5:07:54am

re: #140 Cannadian Club Akbar

What kinda boat ya got?

142 Honorary Consul General  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 5:08:51am

re: #141 Boogberg

What kinda boat ya got?

I don't own a boat.

143 Boogberg  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 5:10:15am

Well in that case, nevermind.

144 Honorary Consul General  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 5:10:25am

Cop killer, suspect in 3 other murders, caught. Good. Give him the needle.

145 sattv4u2  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 5:10:26am

re: #138 Boogberg

Is the internet still on? Testing one two three...

It is, but it's more fun watching you talk to yourself

(hey ,, I've been at work now for 10 + hours with 2 to go ,, I'm easily ammused !!)

146 sattv4u2  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 5:13:52am

re: #144 Cannadian Club Akbar

Cop killer, suspect in 3 other murders, caught. Good. Give him the needle.

But make sure it's sterilized 1st or the PC crowd will call you inhumane!!

147 Honorary Consul General  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 5:14:55am

re: #146 sattv4u2

But make sure it's sterilized 1st or the PC crowd will call you inhumane!!

I wish we still had "Ol' Sparky".

148 Boogberg  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 5:15:46am

re: #145 sattv4u2

Lol! Let me write that down. *Can entertain the satellite dude by talking to myself*. I aim to please. :D

149 Honorary Consul General  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 5:18:47am

re: #148 Boogberg

Lol! Let me write that down. *Can entertain the satellite dude by talking to myself*. I aim to please. :D

He has every channel on earth and gets his entertainment here. Heh.

150 sattv4u2  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 5:22:12am

re: #147 Cannadian Club Akbar

I wish we still had "Ol' Sparky".

Got into it one time with a very very lefty friend of mine. Now I'm not one to advocate the use of the death penalty liberally. Ted Bundy,, ZZZAPPP,, Charles Manson ,, NIGHTY NIGHT ,,David Berkowitz,,, BANG ,,, ect. In cases where there is 100% absolutely no doubt ,, CYA

So this friend of mine asks if I could be the executioner. What about MY conscience,,Could I flip the 'lectric chair switch on ,,, inject the poison,,,,,pull the trigger ,,,,,, How could I sleep at night

I told him "like a baby!"

151 sattv4u2  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 5:22:54am

re: #149 Cannadian Club Akbar

He has every channel on earth and gets his entertainment here. Heh.


have you watched TV lately !?!?!?

//

152 Boogberg  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 5:23:06am

re: #149 Cannadian Club Akbar

Well for some things there is no substitute. :D

153 Honorary Consul General  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 5:24:03am

One of my classmates moved to LA 24 years ago. He managed a nightclub that actually had TOOL as an act. I was floored when he told me this. And he isn't a bullshit artist. Wow.

154 sattv4u2  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 5:24:50am

re: #153 Cannadian Club Akbar

One of my classmates moved to LA 24 years ago. He managed a nightclub that actually had TOOL as an act. I was floored when he told me this. And he isn't a bullshit artist. Wow.

Big deal ,, I have two stand up chests full of TOOLS in my garage !

155 Boogberg  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 5:25:29am

re: #151 sattv4u2

It's fucking atrocious. Turner Classic Movies is about the only tolerable channel left.

156 Honorary Consul General  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 5:26:49am

re: #155 Boogberg

It's fucking atrocious. Turner Classic Movies is about the only tolerable channel left.

Fringe, Lie to Me, House, The Good Guys. Funny, all on Fox.

157 ryannon  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 5:27:03am

re: #121 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

There's a whole fleet of decommissioned Russian nuclear subs rusting away in in shipyard near Vladivostok.

" This from a U.S. State Department report: “In Russia every step of the process is facing problems. The support complex which was already in poor shape and accident-prone during Soviet times has been particularly burdened in the last few years. Shore-side waste sites are full of low-level radioactive waste and spent fuel. Shipments of the spent fuel for reprocessing have been delayed due to lack of funds and equipment. The service ships, which unload the spent fuel from submarines, are also full and in poor shape (and some have suffered accidents). The shipyards where the work is done are facing financial shortages, power blackouts and strikes. There are no final land-based storage sites for decommissioned reactor compartments removed from submarines, so they are being stored afloat in bays near naval bases. Finally, contamination is widespread at waste storage sites in the North and Far East due to accidents. Lower-level contamination is thought to plague virtually every support facility for the fleet. In addition, accidents on submarines have lead to contamination of the surrounding area."

[Link: jonbowermaster.com...]

I've seen some documentaries on the situation, and the reality of the damaged and/or leaking reactors appears to be far worse than can be described in a report such as the above.

158 Boogberg  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 5:29:00am

re: #156 Cannadian Club Akbar

Fringe, Lie to Me, House, The Good Guys. Funny, all on Fox.

I'm speaking more of the presentation, not the content.

159 sattv4u2  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 5:34:48am

re: #155 Boogberg

re: #156 Cannadian Club Akbar

Sports,,, other than that

House,,(but thats even getting redundant) ,Burn Notice,, The Middle,,, Modern Family ,,and just about anything on National Geographic, Discovery, History channels

160 Honorary Consul General  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 5:34:58am

One show I love is Man vs. Food. Gives me ideas about cooking. I turned in my cable boxes to save some money. Next day, turn on the Travel Channel, I get a blue screen telling me the channel has been moved and I need a box to get it. Mother fuckers.

161 Honorary Consul General  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 5:35:46am

re: #159 sattv4u2

NatGeo and Burn Notice are great.

162 sattv4u2  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 5:36:20am

re: #160 Cannadian Club Akbar

One show I love is Man vs. Food. Gives me ideas about cooking. I turned in my cable boxes to save some money. Next day, turn on the Travel Channel, I get a blue screen telling me the channel has been moved and I need a box to get it. Mother fuckers.

I met him when he came to Atlanta

163 Digital Display  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 5:36:42am

re: #161 Cannadian Club Akbar

NatGeo and Burn Notice are great.

Royal pains is good

164 Honorary Consul General  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 5:37:56am

re: #163 HoosierHoops

Royal pains is good

Yea. And the Indian girl is kinda soft on the eyes.

165 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 5:39:15am

Big Bang Theory
How I Met Your Mother
Rules of Engagement

Guilty pleasure: Wipeout

166 Boogberg  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 5:39:39am

I'm talking about the presentation. THAT'S what sucks. I guess I'm spoiled by Hulu. I'm seriously considering paying fo Hulu's premium service.

167 Honorary Consul General  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 5:40:48am

re: #166 Boogberg

I'm talking about the presentation. THAT'S what sucks. I guess I'm spoiled by Hulu. I'm seriously considering paying fo Hulu's premium service.

Hulu rules. Did you ever get to see the NatGeo special about an EMP attack?

168 Digital Display  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 5:42:09am

Morgan Freeman's new science show on the Science channel is good

169 Boogberg  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 5:42:21am

re: #167 Cannadian Club Akbar

No I think I got sidetracked. I'll look for it though.

170 Honorary Consul General  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 5:44:12am

Oh, and at my class reunion last night, they had name tags with you Senior pic on them. But I was last minute, so no special name tag. I got one, wrote my name on it and drew a stick man. Very cool.

171 sattv4u2  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 5:46:08am

re: #170 Cannadian Club Akbar

Oh, and at my class reunion last night, they had name tags with you Senior pic on them. But I was last minute, so no special name tag. I got one, wrote my name on it and drew a stick man. Very cool.

anyone say you looked like you gained weight since that "picture"?

172 sattv4u2  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 5:46:30am

re: #171 sattv4u2

anyone say you looked like you gained weight since that "picture"?

(((I crack me up!!!)))

173 Digital Display  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 5:47:47am

re: #172 sattv4u2

(((I crack me up!!!)))

If I agreed with you we'd both be wrong..
*wink*

174 Honorary Consul General  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 5:51:26am

Wow. The Orioles are 24 games out. Wow. They suck.

175 sattv4u2  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 5:51:40am

re: #157 ryannon

There's a whole fleet of decommissioned Russian nuclear subs rusting away in in shipyard near Vladivostok

I wonder if I could buy one on E-Bay or somewhere

176 Targetpractice  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 5:52:54am

re: #175 sattv4u2


There's a whole fleet of decommissioned Russian nuclear subs rusting away in in shipyard near Vladivostok

I wonder if I could buy one on E-Bay or somewhere

Reminds me of the time the guy was selling an F-18. The Navy was absolutely livid when they found out about that.

177 Digital Display  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 5:53:32am

re: #174 Cannadian Club Akbar

Wow. The Orioles are 24 games out. Wow. They suck.

The experts are picking Germany today..so it's a virtual lock Argentina wins this morning...

178 Honorary Consul General  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 5:56:23am

re: #176 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Reminds me of the time the guy was selling an F-18. The Navy was absolutely livid when they found out about that.

Do you remember when Pepsi had a "points" program and made a commercial saying a Harrier Jet was X points and some dude sued because he had the points (through cash) and didn't get the jet? Judge told him to fuck off, basically.

179 Boogberg  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 6:03:00am

re: #175 sattv4u2

I wonder how feasible it would be to take tourists to the deep sea floor? You got rich fuckers paying $20 Million taking rides to the Space Station. Can you imagine going 7 miles straight down in the Mariana Trench?

180 Targetpractice  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 6:03:31am

re: #178 Cannadian Club Akbar

Do you remember when Pepsi had a "points" program and made a commercial saying a Harrier Jet was X points and some dude sued because he had the points (through cash) and didn't get the jet? Judge told him to fuck off, basically.

Talk about ancient history. I actually had to look it up just to remember all the details. Yeah, guy actually got five others to lend him enough money to "buy" the points necessary to get the Harrier, then took Pepsi to court when they wouldn't pay out, with the judge ruling that Pepsi was right in saying that they didn't need a disclaimer for something that was obviously fake.

181 sattv4u2  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 6:04:01am

re: #177 HoosierHoops

The experts are picking Germany today..so it's a virtual lock Argentina wins this morning...

Germany is a machine. Hard to bet against them

BUT ,,,, Messi can perform magic at times

182 Honorary Consul General  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 6:04:20am

re: #178 Cannadian Club Akbar

That guy was a douchebag. But the biggest douchebag was the guy who sued Hooters because he couldn't be a waiter. Hey, douche, the concept of Hooters wasn't build a restaurant and fill it with hot women, the concept was get a hot woman and build a restaurant around her. FAIL DUDE!!

183 Boogberg  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 6:11:21am

re: #182 Cannadian Club Akbar

That's a good point. But it's dangerously close to Rand Paul's argument.

184 sattv4u2  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 6:12:38am

re: #182 Cannadian Club Akbar

That guy was a douchebag. But the biggest douchebag was the guy who sued Hooters because he couldn't be a waiter. Hey, douche, the concept of Hooters wasn't build a restaurant and fill it with hot women, the concept was get a hot woman and build a restaurant around her. FAIL DUDE!!

If it were my restaurant, I would have let him do it

THEN ,,, instead of the hostess sitting people so that each waiter/ waitress gets an even amount of customers, I would let the customers come in and say "Marcy is serving tables 1, 2, and 3, Bridget has tables 4, 5 and 6, and JOE has 7. 8 and 9. Where would you like to sit?"

185 Honorary Consul General  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 6:13:31am

re: #183 Boogberg

That's a good point. But it's dangerously close to Rand Paul's argument.

It isn't a point. It's a fact. I had a management opportunity with them in 2003, but declined. That is when I learned the story.

186 Boogberg  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 6:15:48am

re: #185 Cannadian Club Akbar

Yeah but you didn't decline because of that, did you?

187 Honorary Consul General  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 6:17:08am

re: #185 Cannadian Club Akbar

It isn't a point. It's a fact. I had a management opportunity with them in 2003, but declined. That is when I learned the story.

And FWIW, when I interviewed with them, I threw down 4 ideas for the location. Even though I didn't take the gig, 3 of my ideas were implemented. The fourth involved a traffic signal.

188 sattv4u2  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 6:17:22am

OT

oh my my my ,,,

Yes,, I know Byrd apologized many times for his KKK past
AND yes, I know RCP is partisan

BUT

Clinton Defends Byrd's KKK Ties: "He Was Trying To Get Elected"

[Link: www.realclearpolitics.com...]

189 Honorary Consul General  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 6:18:37am

re: #186 Boogberg

Yeah but you didn't decline because of that, did you?

I declined because I was writing at the time. I wanted to focus there. Which worked out because not long after my dad got ill and I was his primary care giver.

190 sattv4u2  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 6:18:57am

Democrats have been painting Republicans as unsympathetic to the long-term unemployed who will be unable to collect benefits, but Democratic leaders have rejected several offers by the GOP to vote for the bill if at least some of it is paid for.

"My concern is that the Democrats are more interested in having this issue to demagogue for political gamesmanship than they are in simply passing the benefits extension," said Sen. George Voinovich, R-Ohio, who offered a deal that was rejected by Sen. Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev

Read more at the Washington Examiner: [Link: www.washingtonexaminer.com...]

bingo

191 sattv4u2  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 6:21:28am

Maybe someone should have read the bill before they voted to PASS it !!

The Obama administration has not ruled out turning sick people away from an insurance program created by the new healthcare law to provide coverage for the uninsured.

Critics of the $5 billion high-risk pool program insist it will run out of money before Jan. 1, 2014. That’s when the program sunsets and health plans can no longer discriminate against people with pre-existing conditions.

[Link: thehill.com...]

192 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 6:22:54am

re: #157 ryannon

There's a whole fleet of decommissioned Russian nuclear subs rusting away in in shipyard near Vladivostok.

" This from a U.S. State Department report: “In Russia every step of the process is facing problems. The support complex which was already in poor shape and accident-prone during Soviet times has been particularly burdened in the last few years. Shore-side waste sites are full of low-level radioactive waste and spent fuel. Shipments of the spent fuel for reprocessing have been delayed due to lack of funds and equipment. The service ships, which unload the spent fuel from submarines, are also full and in poor shape (and some have suffered accidents). The shipyards where the work is done are facing financial shortages, power blackouts and strikes. There are no final land-based storage sites for decommissioned reactor compartments removed from submarines, so they are being stored afloat in bays near naval bases. Finally, contamination is widespread at waste storage sites in the North and Far East due to accidents. Lower-level contamination is thought to plague virtually every support facility for the fleet. In addition, accidents on submarines have lead to contamination of the surrounding area."

[Link: jonbowermaster.com...]

I've seen some documentaries on the situation, and the reality of the damaged and/or leaking reactors appears to be far worse than can be described in a report such as the above.

India is running Russian nuclear subs on a rental/purchase agreement (with mixed results).

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

193 Honorary Consul General  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 6:23:55am

re: #192 Decatur Deb

India is running Russian nuclear subs on a rental/purchase agreement (with mixed results).

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Like Rent a Center?
/

194 Boogberg  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 6:24:26am

re: #188 sattv4u2

OT

oh my my my ,,,

Yes,, I know Byrd apologized many times for his KKK past
AND yes, I know RCP is partisan

BUT

Clinton Defends Byrd's KKK Ties: "He Was Trying To Get Elected"

[Link: www.realclearpolitics.com...]

Uh oh. Put me in the "That's no fucking excuse" group. We don't excuse racism.

195 sattv4u2  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 6:24:56am

re: #194 Boogberg

Uh oh. Put me in the "That's no fucking excuse" group. We don't excuse racism.

That's what struck me about it as odd

196 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 6:26:27am

re: #193 Cannadian Club Akbar

Like Rent a Center?
/

Easy payments, costs twice as much, we deliver.

197 Honorary Consul General  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 6:26:40am

re: #194 Boogberg

re: #195 sattv4u2

Guys, they're Democrats. They can't be racist. Geez.

198 Honorary Consul General  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 6:27:30am

re: #196 Decatur Deb

Easy payments, costs twice as much, we deliver.

And comes with a screened door.
/

199 Honorary Consul General  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 6:27:38am

bbiam

200 sattv4u2  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 6:28:10am

re: #197 Cannadian Club Akbar

re: #195 sattv4u2

Guys, they're Democrats. They can't be racist. Geez.

Damn,, I keep forgetting

Which reminds me ( a conservative) I must wash, bleach and iron my white sheets this weekend!!

//

201 Targetpractice  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 6:28:19am

re: #195 sattv4u2

That's what struck me about it as odd

What strikes me as odd is why he called attention to it in the first place. Last I checked, the Republicans have had the common decency to drop the subject since he assumed room temperature and the only folks making noise about it are the wingnut crowd.

202 Boogberg  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 6:31:20am

re: #201 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I'm not a wingnut but this makes me wanna go hmmmm.

203 sattv4u2  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 6:33:53am

re: #201 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

What strikes me as odd is why he called attention to it in the first place. Last I checked, the Republicans have had the common decency to drop the subject since he assumed room temperature and the only folks making noise about it are the wingnut crowd.

The left took control of the narrative of "racism" years ago for political gain, imho. Are there racist rightys? Of course! But there are also racist leftys.

What the left does do very good is turn (virtually) every encounter into a race question

Two white guys get into a bar fight, it's a bar fight
Two black guys gte into a bar fight, it's a bar fight
If there's a mixed race bar fight, it MUST be due to racism, knee jerk reaction!

204 Targetpractice  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 6:33:58am

re: #202 Boogberg

I'm not a wingnut but this makes me wanna go hmmm.

I chalk it up as Bubba once again saying more than common sense would dictate. As for Byrd, the man's dead, let's leave it at that. I draw a line at grave-pissing, especially in light of the Left's jamboree upon Reagan's own expiration.

205 Digital Display  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 6:35:34am

re: #203 sattv4u2

Two white guys get into a bar fight, it's a bar fight
Two black guys gte into a bar fight, it's a bar fight
If there's a mixed race bar fight, it MUST be due to racism, knee jerk reaction!
It really depends on what is said to start the fight

206 Honorary Consul General  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 6:35:43am

re: #203 sattv4u2

Mother Fucking BINGO!!!

207 Taqyia2Me  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 6:39:14am

re: #190 sattv4u2

Democrats have been painting Republicans as unsympathetic to the long-term unemployed who will be unable to collect benefits, but Democratic leaders have rejected several offers by the GOP to vote for the bill if at least some of it is paid for.

"My concern is that the Democrats are more interested in having this issue to demagogue for political gamesmanship than they are in simply passing the benefits extension," said Sen. George Voinovich, R-Ohio, who offered a deal that was rejected by Sen. Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev

Read more at the Washington Examiner: [Link: www.washingtonexaminer.com...]

bingo

Looks like we are wrong to say Republicans are against extending unemployment benefits.

208 Honorary Consul General  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 6:39:36am

re: #205 HoosierHoops

Two white guys get into a bar fight, it's a bar fight
Two black guys gte into a bar fight, it's a bar fight
If there's a mixed race bar fight, it MUST be due to racism, knee jerk reaction!
It really depends on what is said to start the fight

I agree, but I think Satt was throwing up a generic model.

209 Boogberg  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 6:39:58am

re: #204 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I chalk it up as Bubba once again saying more than common sense would dictate. As for Byrd, the man's dead, let's leave it at that. I draw a line at grave-pissing, especially in light of the Left's jamboree upon Reagan's own expiration.

I'm thinking more of the "That's the way it was back then" defense. Unless I'm mistaken, Charles and many other lizards don't subscribe to that defense.

210 sattv4u2  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 6:41:57am

re: #205 HoosierHoops

Two white guys get into a bar fight, it's a bar fight
Two black guys gte into a bar fight, it's a bar fight
If there's a mixed race bar fight, it MUST be due to racism, knee jerk reaction!
It really depends on what is said to start the fight

But thats what I'm saying

Theres no investigating it (on the left) if it's a mixed race fight, it's automatically ASSUMED that it MUST be a race thing

211 Targetpractice  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 6:42:44am

re: #209 Boogberg

I'm thinking more of the "That's the way it was back then" defense. Unless I'm mistaken, Charles and many other lizards don't subscribe to that defense.

I see it more as the "That's politics" defense, as in "He did/said what he had to to get elected, but he didn't believe it." Anybody who uses that defense is, at least in my book, completely full of shit.

212 sattv4u2  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 6:43:17am

re: #207 Taqyia2Me

Looks like we are wrong to say Republicans are against extending unemployment benefits.

They (the repubs) have been making proposals all along the way to extend them

Even Jim Bunning who was demonized for "stopping" the extension last time round had an alternate idea.

213 Honorary Consul General  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 6:43:37am

re: #210 sattv4u2

But thats what I'm saying

Theres no investigating it (on the left) if it's a mixed race fight, it's automatically ASSUMED that it MUST be a race thing

All I know is someone said Cracker. I think it was Polly.:)

214 Honorary Consul General  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 6:45:35am

re: #213 Cannadian Club Akbar

All I know is someone said Cracker. I think it was Polly.:)

Youtube Video
215 Honorary Consul General  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 6:47:40am

Today is my sister's birthday. Happy birthday, sista!!

216 Taqyia2Me  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 6:48:35am

re: #212 sattv4u2

They (the repubs) have been making proposals all along the way to extend them

Even Jim Bunning who was demonized for "stopping" the extension last time round had an alternate idea.

Yep. I guess we'll just have to allow the democrats vent their collective spleen on the false conclusion they have presented to themselves.

217 sattv4u2  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 6:50:14am

re: #216 Taqyia2Me

Yep. I guess we'll just have to allow the democrats vent their collective spleen on the false conclusion they have presented to themselves.

Unfortunately, many moderates hear it, don't investigate it, and buy it lock stock and barrel

218 Digital Display  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 6:50:21am

re: #210 sattv4u2

But thats what I'm saying

Theres no investigating it (on the left) if it's a mixed race fight, it's automatically ASSUMED that it MUST be a race thing

I'm a moderate..all my relatives and family break left..My Aunt is a state party official and my daddy thinks Obama is Baby Jesus...
I personally don't know anyone of the left that are racist..I'm not saying there aren't racist in both parties.. I'm sure there are..
But we walk a delicate line when lumping race with party.
/Are you working today bro?

219 Boogberg  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 6:51:12am

re: #214 Cannadian Club Akbar

I can't help thinking about The incident every time I hear a Nirvana tune.

220 sattv4u2  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 6:51:15am

And on that note, my shift ends

Time for the long (quiet) ride home

221 Bubblehead II  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 6:51:59am

Morning Lizards. Just a drive by post before I finish getting ready for w*rk.

Flying car gets OK from FAA

Though 194K is a bit steep in my opinion.

222 sattv4u2  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 6:52:09am

re: #218 HoosierHoops

/Are you working today bro?

see 220 ,,, just finishing a 12 hour overnight shift

223 Digital Display  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 6:52:44am

re: #222 sattv4u2

/Are you working today bro?

see 220 ,,, just finishing a 12 hour overnight shift

Have a great day with the Family Satt!

224 Honorary Consul General  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 6:53:07am

re: #219 Boogberg

I can't help thinking about The incident every time I hear a Nirvana tune.

I remember the day. My friend had just been tranfered to Miami and I called him from work. (pre cell phone era)

225 Honorary Consul General  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 6:54:28am

re: #221 Bubblehead II

Morning Lizards. Just a drive by post before I finish getting ready for w*rk.

Flying car gets OK from FAA

Though 194K is a bit steep in my opinion.

Cheaper then a Bugotti. (I know I spelled that wrong)

226 Boogberg  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 6:54:32am

re: #220 sattv4u2

And on that note, my shift ends

Time for the long (quiet) ride home

Within the next five years, you'll be able to listen to the comments as they're posted, in your car, in bed (lol!), and pretty much anywhere. :D

227 Honorary Consul General  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 6:57:37am

re: #226 Boogberg

Within the next five years, you'll be able to listen to the comments as they're posted, in your car, in bed (lol!), and pretty much anywhere. :D

With my screenwriting software, I can assign voices to the characters. Old person, young person, man woman, etc. Very cool. That way you can hear what you wrote without having to hire actors or people in general.

228 sattv4u2  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 6:58:31am

re: #226 Boogberg

Within the next five years, you'll be able to listen to the comments as they're posted, in your car, in bed (lol!), and pretty much anywhere. :D

Thanks but no thanks

A) I enjoy my quiet time
B) I already spend WAY too much time "here"
C) I'm old, I don't have/ want much of those new fangeled toys! ,, GET OFF MY LAWN!!!

229 Digital Display  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 6:59:26am

WOW! Both teams are giving speeches against racism worldwide..
They must have been reading LGF this morning..Very nice inspiring words from both sides...
After pregame I'm rooting for Germany today..I have come to loath the Argentine team...But really the only team i really care about is the Netherlands and am plotting someway to work from home Tuesday..You know go in at noon...Boy I felt poor this morning..
Why do you still have on your Dutch Jersey?
mmmm...
(Note to self..Change shirts before going into work Tuesday)

230 Nervous Norvous  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 6:59:53am

re: #227 Cannadian Club Akbar

With my screenwriting software, I can assign voices to the characters. Old person, young person, man woman, etc. Very cool. That way you can hear what you wrote without having to hire actors or people in general.

Cool! What's it called?

231 Honorary Consul General  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 7:00:39am

re: #230 PT Barnum

Cool! What's it called?

Final Draft.

232 Taqyia2Me  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 7:00:52am

re: #227 Cannadian Club Akbar

That is way cool!

233 Digital Display  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 7:03:48am

re: #227 Cannadian Club Akbar

With my screenwriting software, I can assign voices to the characters. Old person, young person, man woman, etc. Very cool. That way you can hear what you wrote without having to hire actors or people in general.

Imagine blogging in 5 years...
You click on an MP3 file and somebody tells you to go fuck yourself..
Man those will be flame wars

234 Boogberg  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 7:04:07am

re: #227 Cannadian Club Akbar

With my screenwriting software, I can assign voices to the characters. Old person, young person, man woman, etc. Very cool. That way you can hear what you wrote without having to hire actors or people in general.

It'll be way better than that though. The commenters will actually sound like they're talking with you. In their own voice. Complete with inflections and all.

235 Digital Display  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 7:04:12am

Germany Scores!

236 Honorary Consul General  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 7:04:18am

And here is a link to my writing class (the class I have taken), if you want to ruin movies for life. (I know all the endings now)
[Link: beyondstructure.com...]

237 Nervous Norvous  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 7:05:52am

re: #234 Boogberg

It'll be way better than that though. The commenters will actually sound like they're talking with you. In their own voice. Complete with inflections and all.

I've often thought that it would be cool to just have a ventrillo server set up for LGF so people could hear each other. Once you hear someone's voice it's a lot easier to imagine them saying things. I'd be interested to compare my perceptions of what people's voices are like vs. the reality.

238 Nervous Norvous  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 7:07:30am

time to hit garage sales...

bbl

239 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 7:08:02am

Obama sez...
Weekly Address: A Solar Recovery

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

240 Honorary Consul General  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 7:08:23am

re: #237 PT Barnum

Agree. I can say "You're a fucking idiot". Now, my tone will depict anger or joking. Although here we know who we are talking to and we know most personalities.

241 Taqyia2Me  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 7:09:17am

re: #237 PT Barnum

I've often thought that it would be cool to just have a ventrillo server set up for LGF so people could hear each other. Once you hear someone's voice it's a lot easier to imagine them saying things. I'd be interested to compare my perceptions of what people's voices are like vs. the reality.

It would be a lot easier to pick up on sarcasm and cynicism. If you listen close enough, you can almost 'hear' an eye roll!

242 Boogberg  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 7:09:41am

re: #237 PT Barnum

We'd have to be able to preview our shit though. That's the beauty of the typed message. We'd all be banned if...well, you know. :D

243 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 7:09:58am

Ref. last night's Fox report on the flag painting, there is aerial video on CNN of the flag. It looked severely weathered, no longer a fit symbol, and should have been retired.

244 Digital Display  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 7:10:12am

re: #237 PT Barnum

I've often thought that it would be cool to just have a ventrillo server set up for LGF so people could hear each other. Once you hear someone's voice it's a lot easier to imagine them saying things. I'd be interested to compare my perceptions of what people's voices are like vs. the reality.

Agreed.. I have spoken to many lizards on the phone....Yes it can be verified that the Hoopster sounds like he was raised in California..I've enjoyed all the accents of Lizards...

245 Digital Display  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 7:10:57am

re: #244 HoosierHoops

Agreed.. I have spoken to many lizards on the phone...Yes it can be verified that the Hoopster sounds like he was raised in California..I've enjoyed all the accents of Lizards...

Dudes

246 Honorary Consul General  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 7:11:47am

re: #239 Killgore Trout

You know what would bring back jobs? Let the tax cuts sunset!!
/

247 Honorary Consul General  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 7:14:12am

re: #244 HoosierHoops

Agreed.. I have spoken to many lizards on the phone...Yes it can be verified that the Hoopster sounds like he was raised in California..I've enjoyed all the accents of Lizards...

I worked for a company that moved here from Kentucky. It took me about 2 weeks and I picked up their accent. Ya'll. Heh.

248 Targetpractice  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 7:14:18am

re: #237 PT Barnum

I've often thought that it would be cool to just have a ventrillo server set up for LGF so people could hear each other. Once you hear someone's voice it's a lot easier to imagine them saying things. I'd be interested to compare my perceptions of what people's voices are like vs. the reality.

I don't know, I fear it would lose something. We'd be climbing all over each other to be first to make the witty remarks and references to pop culture.

249 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 7:15:39am

re: #243 Decatur Deb

Link:

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

250 Honorary Consul General  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 7:18:21am

re: #249 Decatur Deb

Link:

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

I'm sure if it were a Mexican flag it would have been fine.

251 Boogberg  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 7:21:23am

re: #248 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I don't know, I fear it would lose something. We'd be climbing all over each other to be first to make the witty remarks and references to pop culture.

Good point. There might be three or four conversations going on in a single thread. I don't know. Could our brains keep up with it?

252 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 7:21:30am

re: #250 Cannadian Club Akbar

It only took 1.5 mandays to paint it, so it should have been maintained. At least the unpatriotic state workers are on minimum wage, now.

253 Digital Display  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 7:22:27am

re: #247 Cannadian Club Akbar

I worked for a company that moved here from Kentucky. It took me about 2 weeks and I picked up their accent. Ya'll. Heh.

Boy..Sharmuta had a real accent..Beautiful voice...Funnier than hell on the phone.. I was sorry to see her walk away.. There is one lizard here that if I was going to make a movie..I'd hire him as a narrator.. Almost a Morgan Freeman tone..' Andy was my friend'
I could hear him doing a movie...
You know..I'll bet Mandy would be a delight to speak to on the phone..but that is a bridge to far..*wink*
Someday we'll all hear our voices on blogs..
Lord help us
/

254 Honorary Consul General  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 7:22:29am

Did i mention my house was broken into in March, and I still have not received a check from my insurance company? Well, called my local lady, who called the home office. They said they didn't get the info. She gave them a confirmation number. Funny, now they have it. Fuck.

255 Kronocide  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 7:23:27am

re: #253 HoosierHoops

Boy..Sharmuta had a real accent..Beautiful voice...Funnier than hell on the phone.. I was sorry to see her walk away..
/

News to me, what's the short story on this?

256 Boogberg  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 7:24:00am

re: #254 Cannadian Club Akbar

Where was your dog during all this?

257 Digital Display  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 7:24:03am

re: #254 Cannadian Club Akbar

Did i mention my house was broken into in March, and I still have not received a check from my insurance company? Well, called my local lady, who called the home office. They said they didn't get the info. She gave them a confirmation number. Funny, now they have it. Fuck.

Nationwide
/That's all I got to say about that

258 Honorary Consul General  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 7:24:12am

re: #253 HoosierHoops

You said Sharm was a her then you said him. I'm confused.

259 Digital Display  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 7:25:29am

re: #258 Cannadian Club Akbar

You said Sharm was a her then you said him. I'm confused.

2 different lizards...I'm blogging during WC..Sorry
Winston! Grab me another cold beer!

260 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 7:25:55am

re: #254 Cannadian Club Akbar

Did i mention my house was broken into in March, and I still have not received a check from my insurance company? Well, called my local lady, who called the home office. They said they didn't get the info. She gave them a confirmation number. Funny, now they have it. Fuck.

At least they're answering the phone. Better get to them before oil starts screwing things up around there.

261 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 7:26:54am

The KosKidz have a roundup of Obama's clean energy plan...
UPDATEx2: Obama announces $2 BILLION in solar power investments
Somebody better apologize to BP.

262 Honorary Consul General  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 7:27:28am

re: #256 Boogberg

Where was your dog during all this?

I have no dog. I wasn't home. Otherwise we would be talking about the 2nd Amendment.

263 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 7:27:59am

Oil Spill Reaches Florida's White Sandy Beaches

Liveleak Video
264 Kronocide  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 7:28:30am

Debra Saunders gets a woot:
[Link: www.sfgate.com...]

The Weekly Standard's Bill Kristol called on Steele to resign Friday. I understand why, but I shudder at the thought of who might replace him.

Three words that send a chill down the spine: Chairwoman Sarah Palin.

265 Honorary Consul General  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 7:29:32am

re: #263 Killgore Trout

Don't get me started.

266 Targetpractice  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 7:30:15am

re: #251 Boogberg

Good point. There might be three or four conversations going on in a single thread. I don't know. Could our brains keep up with it?

There's all the problem, in light of the Lizard Lounge, of trolls finding their way in and stirring up shit.

267 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 7:31:40am

re: #263 Killgore Trout

Oil Spill Reaches Florida's White Sandy Beaches

[Video]

The beaches south of us were so startling white that our Italian visitors took some back in babyfood jars. I checked on an agency that we sometimes rented from at St. George. They have no oil yet, and rentals are staying up. There is a sense that some are visiting to say good-bye.

268 Boogberg  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 7:33:13am

re: #262 Cannadian Club Akbar

I have no dog. I wasn't home. Otherwise we would be talking about the 2nd Amendment.

Alright. Go ahead and get a dog then. Dogs are the #1 fear of scumbag, maggot burglars. I recommend a German Shepherd. Any big dog will do.

269 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 7:33:18am

re: #266 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

There's all the problem, in light of the Lizard Lounge, of trolls finding their way in and stirring up shit.

Troll-voice disemvoweler.

270 Digital Display  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 7:33:31am

re: #264 BigPapa

Debra Saunders gets a woot:
[Link: www.sfgate.com...]

BigPapa is in da house!
How is Hawaii this morning? Still effen paradise?

271 Kronocide  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 7:37:19am

re: #270 HoosierHoops

Hawaii is dark... for another hour or so. Been working on the coast and sweating my ass off. Get to work up in the hills today, cool and green looking over the channel to Maui.

Hoops, what's the short story on Sharm leaving?

272 Digital Display  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 7:38:27am

NOOO! Crap!
Argentina Scores
Wait..what? Off-Sides..What?
HAha Argentina!

273 Varek Raith  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 7:40:03am

re: #272 HoosierHoops

NOOO! Crap!
Argentina Scores
Wait..what? Off-Sides..What?
HAha Argentina!

Youtube Video
274 Cato the Elder  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 7:40:21am

Yeah. Mexican moms are known for handing their children over to jihadists for overseas training that lasts 30 years.

Because they don't love their kids the way Reel Merkin Mothers do.

At the same time as the babies are being fed a steady diet of allahu akhbar, their perfidious moms are collecting welfare payment on them here.

This is the True American Nightmare.

275 Kronocide  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 7:42:21am

re: #274 Cato the Elder

Baby Bombers Cato. BABY BOMBERS.

276 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 7:45:01am

Work to do--BBL

277 jamesfirecat  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 7:45:12am

This is completely OT but given how far in we are I don't feel too bad.

Charles I've just noticed something about your "disemvowler" system/program. It doesn't effect posts that quote the post that lost all its vowels allowing the persons comments to be perfectly readable via someone else's post that quotes them before they lost their vowels.

I'm not sure if you intended that as a feature or bug of the thing but I just thought I should being it up in case no one else has....

278 Digital Display  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 7:48:38am

re: #271 BigPapa

Hawaii is dark... for another hour or so. Been working on the coast and sweating my ass off. Get to work up in the hills today, cool and green looking over the channel to Maui.

Hoops, what's the short story on Sharm leaving?

I miss living in Hawaii... The best 3 years of my life..It's bra..not bro..I know these things..
The Short story of Sharm...Wow there are so many versions that have been floated about on the Internet...They are wide ranging versions and because Sharm never addressed it personally so they are all just rumors and speculation...Some of the stories are just laughable.
I can tell you a few facts...The last time Sharm wrote me she said she wanted to find God in her life and take a new direction in her life..She started going to Mass every day and wanted to find her soul and be fulfilled. She was in a bad way financially and was looking for work..
I hope she finds happiness and love...Her 2 little boys are just the most handsome kids you have ever seen...Just adorable young men..

279 Kronocide  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 7:48:48am

[Link: www.staradvertiser.com...]

I get the sense that people who believe in the strictest interpretation of the Constitution also believe in the strictest interpretation of the Bible.

280 Kronocide  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 7:50:42am

re: #278 HoosierHoops

Thanks for the info. She was a great contributor here, but maybe she just wanted a new direction, one without computers or turmoil. She'll probably come back when she's ready.

281 Boogberg  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 7:50:51am

re: #277 jamesfirecat

Shaddap dammit! that's the only way i get to read the dis...target comments. :D

282 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 7:50:53am

I understand how a Texas politician doesn't like the 14th Amendment. It was basically crammed down the state's throat following the Civil War. But my response is "Woe to the Vanquished!" (I know it was originally in Latin). This idiot is just trying to weaken an Amendment his state has been butthurt about from the get-go.

283 Honorary Consul General  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 7:50:56am

re: #278 HoosierHoops

Next time you speak/email with her, give her my best.

284 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 7:52:31am

After some initial outrage the wingnuts seem to be backing Steele's comments on Afghanistan....
Dan Rhiel sez....

Yes, we will be united in the fall. But I am sick of individuals seemingly forever filled with self-righteous indignation, allowing it to continually get in the way of a greater good. Dress it up as moral indignation all you want, it's still self-interest. I am sick of being the party of self-righteousness, as opposed to the Democrats, who know how to play as a team so they can win.

It's time to circle the wagons, not hold an unproductive, ultimately self-defeating firing squad.

Doug Ross sez.....

While he is far from perfect, removing him could be more destructive -- and rather pointless to boot.

However, give credit where credit is due. This is golden irony offered from Mr. Steele. He is absolutely on target with this offering, (even if I personally disagree with any conception, suggesting the U.S. cannot win 'again' in Afghanistan):

Michelle Malkin is linking to both of these articles this morning. This was not a gaffe from Steele. This is a policy shift.....

Youtube Video

If you listen to the second half of the clip (which almost everybody ignores) he say the GOP has prepared talking points available to politicians of how to effectively frame the argument against the war in Afghanistan.
I think there was some initial shock from the base but they are getting over it and are more willing to accept a Paulian isolationist approach.

285 jamesfirecat  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 7:52:41am

re: #282 Dark_Falcon

I understand how a Texas politician doesn't like the 14th Amendment. It was basically crammed down the state's throat following the Civil War. But my response is "Woe to the Vanquished!" (I know it was originally in Latin). This idiot is just trying to weaken an Amendment his state has been butthurt about from the get-go.

"Woe to the Vanquished"

Or as Jon Stewart put it

"You lost, it's suppose to taste like a s*** sandwich."

286 Varek Raith  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 7:53:43am

re: #284 Killgore Trout

After some initial outrage the wingnuts seem to be backing Steele's comments on Afghanistan...
Dan Rhiel sez...

Michelle Malkin is linking to both of these articles this morning. This was not a gaffe from Steele. This is a policy shift...

[Video]If you listen to the second half of the clip (which almost everybody ignores) he say the GOP has prepared talking points available to politicians of how to effectively frame the argument against the war in Afghanistan.
I think there was some initial shock from the base but they are getting over it and are more willing to accept a Paulian isolationist approach.

D'oh!

287 Honorary Consul General  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 7:55:57am

re: #285 jamesfirecat

"Woe to the Vanquished"

Or as Jon Stewart put it

"You lost, it's suppose to taste like a s*** sandwich."

Jon Stewart's best stuff is when he isn't talking. He's funny, but his reactions are fucking fantastic.

288 jamesfirecat  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 7:56:08am

re: #284 Killgore Trout

After some initial outrage the wingnuts seem to be backing Steele's comments on Afghanistan...
Dan Rhiel sez...

Michelle Malkin is linking to both of these articles this morning. This was not a gaffe from Steele. This is a policy shift...

[Video]If you listen to the second half of the clip (which almost everybody ignores) he say the GOP has prepared talking points available to politicians of how to effectively frame the argument against the war in Afghanistan.
I think there was some initial shock from the base but they are getting over it and are more willing to accept a Paulian isolationist approach.


So they want bigger government that does a lot when they're in charge (Bush) and smaller government that does nothing when they're out of power.....

You know I don't think the GOP is really at the moment striving for limited government as they are THEIR government. A government run by them, made up of them, and working for them.....

289 jamesfirecat  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 7:56:56am

re: #287 Cannadian Club Akbar

Jon Stewart's best stuff is when he isn't talking. He's funny, but his reactions are fucking fantastic.

Yes but its a lot easier to remember some of his better lines than it is to find screen caps/clips of just his better reactions to certain things....

290 Kronocide  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 7:58:22am

re: #284 Killgore Trout

[Video]If you listen to the second half of the clip (which almost everybody ignores) he say the GOP has prepared talking points available to politicians of how to effectively frame the argument against the war in Afghanistan.
I think there was some initial shock from the base but they are getting over it and are more willing to accept a Paulian isolationist approach.

Further proof that it's the Get Obama Party. There could be much criticism meted against O but the GOP is merely against him now, drowning out fair criticism with vacuous dogmatism.

291 Honorary Consul General  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 7:58:25am

re: #289 jamesfirecat

Yes but its a lot easier to remember some of his better lines than it is to find screen caps/clips of just his better reactions to certain things...

Agreed. Just an observation my me.

292 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 7:58:46am

re: #284 Killgore Trout

After some initial outrage the wingnuts seem to be backing Steele's comments on Afghanistan...
Dan Rhiel sez...

Michelle Malkin is linking to both of these articles this morning. This was not a gaffe from Steele. This is a policy shift...

[Video]If you listen to the second half of the clip (which almost everybody ignores) he say the GOP has prepared talking points available to politicians of how to effectively frame the argument against the war in Afghanistan.
I think there was some initial shock from the base but they are getting over it and are more willing to accept a Paulian isolationist approach.

Then they'll do it without me.

293 lawhawk  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 8:03:03am

re: #284 Killgore Trout

The GOP attacked Democrats when they were calling on quitting Afghanistan and Iraq. Now, when the RNC chief Steele says to quit Afghanistan, we get a whiplash effect where the GOP is now against further involvement in Afghanistan?

Sorry, but the Democrats were wrong about withdrawing when they proposed it and Steele and those backing his position are wrong when they're proposing it.

Obama has doubled down (or all in) in much the same way as Bush went all in (or doubled down) on the Surge tactics in their respective emphasis on Afghanistan and Iraq respectively.

Partisan politics are getting in the way once again of a cohesive foreign policy and making conditions favorable for a positive outcome in Afghanistan. Our enemies read our media outlets and the differences and feed off them. Just as the jihadis took aid and comfort from calls by Democrats to quit Iraq and leave it to the insurgents in a hasty retreat, the GOP is playing into the same hands with their kinds of statements.

The fact is that timetables in war are nonsense. The only timetable is one that gets the US to victory or something resembling it. Defeating insurgencies and creating the conditions for a peaceful situation - or one where al Qaeda and the Taliban cannot use the country as a safe haven at a minimum should be required. It will likely mean stationing US troops there for the foreseeable future, but we've been stationing troops overseas for decades. Isolationism doesn't prevent the US from being a target, and if anything it plays right into the weak horse theory of al Qaeda.

The Paulians are wrong.

294 Kronocide  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 8:04:27am

OT: This is a blog post that has resonated with me for a few weeks.

Why Lean is a Wicked Disease

I just left the Evil Empire of Corporate Top Heaviness due to frustration and fuktard skulduggery after 8 years of being a good soldier. One of my long standing laments is Manglement sticking to another process or procedure every time they think something is wrong or needs to be improved: I call it 'process for the sake of process.' This blog post, seen by me after my departure and creation of my own business, completely nailed the situation.

Should I send it to the President, who I am still on good terms with? (evil grin)

295 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 8:06:23am

re: #293 lawhawk

Agreed. We've seen this pattern before. Republicans will even oppose their own ideas if Obama adopts them. The did it with bailouts and stimulus. They did it with healthcare reform. Now they're doing it with Afghanistan.

296 Kronocide  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 8:06:36am

re: #293 lawhawk


Partisan politics are getting in the way once again of a cohesive foreign policy and making conditions favorable for a positive outcome in Afghanistan.

That bears repeating Lawhawk. Excellent post.

297 Varek Raith  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 8:08:02am

Heh.
Image: 80260_600.jpg

298 Digital Display  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 8:09:16am

I'm rescinding my Rule#16 for the Hoopster's new rules of Soccer for today only..
Rule#16 There is no crying in soccer
If Argentina loses this morning.. I'll allow them to cry like little babies on the pitch..gawd I hate that about soccer...
I've gotten my ass kicked in sports before..I didn't go running off the field crying like a 5th grader..jeez..
So today..We will suspend rule#16

299 Honorary Consul General  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 8:11:10am

War is war. Either let the guys do what they need to do, or don't go to war. Politicians have never won a war. Give the military what it needs and STFU.

300 Honorary Consul General  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 8:13:30am

re: #298 HoosierHoops

Youtube Video
301 Boogberg  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 8:17:04am

re: #299 Cannadian Club Akbar

Some politicians have helped. I think even Jimmy Carter was a decorated Naval officer.

302 Honorary Consul General  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 8:18:00am

re: #301 Boogberg

Some politicians have helped. I think even Jimmy Carter was a decorated Naval officer.

IIRC he was a Nuke. But he wasn't a politician then.

303 Boogberg  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 8:19:25am

re: #302 Cannadian Club Akbar

Fact is, he helped.

304 lawhawk  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 8:20:20am

Are the Palestinians easing up their demands for Jerusalem? Supposedly they're amenable to letting Israel retain the Kotel (Western Wall), the Etzion Bloc and several other areas that are Jewish-majority in and around Jerusalem.

This will increase pressure on Israel to deal, although with whom Israel is dealing is ignored - Hamas refuses to recognize Israel altogether as anything other than coordinates for attacks. Fatah is hoping that this latest statement causes Israel to make more concessions, and the Palestinians give up nothing since they continue to reject Israel's existence.

305 Honorary Consul General  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 8:21:07am

re: #303 Boogberg

Fact is, he helped.

He also took full responsibility for the helicopters that crashed in the desert. I respect that.

306 bratwurst  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 8:21:51am

re: #284 Killgore Trout

After some initial outrage the wingnuts seem to be backing Steele's comments on Afghanistan...


Not to call anyone a wingnut, but we have certainly observed some...uh...right-of-center lizards here espousing a "cut and run" mentality toward Afghanistan.

307 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 8:22:52am

I also suspect that the tape of Steele was a trial balloon intentionally leaked before a long holiday weekend. Steele is expendable so if it flopped horribly he'd take the fall. After some initial squealing the base is willing to accept the idea. Now, when a Republican politician makes the same statement next week there won't be as much political risk. Wingnuts have already heard the idea and it won't be a shock.

308 Digital Display  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 8:24:36am

re: #305 Cannadian Club Akbar

He also took full responsibility for the helicopters that crashed in the desert. I respect that.

I was really young when Carter was POTUS..
I do remember being ashamed of being an American under his 'Leadership'

309 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 8:24:51am

re: #306 bratwurst

Not to call anyone a wingnut, but we have certainly observed some...uh...right-of-center lizards here espousing a "cut and run" mentality toward Afghanistan.

Certainly. The idea is widespread enough already on the right that the GOP feels they can safely and publicly endorse a more isolationist foreign policy. This was all set in motion about a year ago.

310 lawhawk  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 8:24:59am

re: #306 bratwurst

It's an interesting pivot - as many Democrats have also espoused cut and run in both Afghanistan and Iraq. Obama needed GOPers to support his continued operations in both theaters at one point in 2009. There is a general consensus among the centers of both GOP and Democrats to stay and fight in Afghanistan and to give Petraeus time to get that job done. That runs up against the Kucinich wing that wants out. It just so happens that the anti-war wing of the Democrats coincides with the GOP's Paulian wing in that respect except that the GOP is doing so cynically for political reasons rather than principles.

311 Digital Display  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 8:25:07am

Germany scores again!

312 Boogberg  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 8:25:33am

re: #305 Cannadian Club Akbar

He also took full responsibility for the helicopters that crashed in the desert. I respect that.

Buck stops there.

Was that a strategic or a tactical mistake? Seems like the military brass shoulda known about sandstorms.

313 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 8:25:53am

From Sun Tzu's Art of War: There are three ways in which a sovereign can bring misfortune upon his army: By commanding the army to advance or to retreat, being ignorant of the fact that is cannot obey. This is called hobbling the army. By attempting to govern an army in the same way he administers a kingdom, being ignorant of the conditions that obtain in an army. This causes restlessness in the soldiers' minds. Humanity and justice are the principles on which to govern a state, but not an army; opportunism and flexibility. on the other hand, are military rather than civic virtues.

314 Kronocide  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 8:27:09am

re: #307 Killgore Trout

KT: I find your speculation cynical, partisan, and devious. It's also very plausible.

What's more, if the Obama administration does the same thing it is hammered incessantly for the same thing by the very same pundits who this time are playing along with this new talking point.

315 lawhawk  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 8:27:38am

re: #312 Boogberg

It was a VFUS all the way around and the President signed off on it knowing (*or should have known) that they needed far more support and resources available) than they had. They treated the embassy takeover as a diplomatic situation rather than an act of war - and then didn't allocate the resources to do what had to be done. That's ultimately on Carter.

316 Honorary Consul General  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 8:28:22am

re: #312 Boogberg

Buck stops there.

Was that a strategic or a tactical mistake? Seems like the military brass shoulda known about sandstorms.

There is a book by Eric Haney called "Inside Delta Force". Great book. Even he questioned the helos being used. And FWIW, he was on one in the Iran debacle.

317 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 8:30:38am

re: #313 PhillyPretzel

From Sun Tzu's Art of War: There are three ways in which a sovereign can bring misfortune upon his army: By commanding the army to advance or to retreat, being ignorant of the fact that is cannot obey. This is called hobbling the army. By attempting to govern an army in the same way he administers a kingdom, being ignorant of the conditions that obtain in an army. This causes restlessness in the soldiers' minds. Humanity and justice are the principles on which to govern a state, but not an army; opportunism and flexibility. on the other hand, are military rather than civic virtues.

As ever, Sun Tzu was a far wiser and more farsighted man than our politicians today.

318 bratwurst  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 8:31:33am

Goodnight Argentina. You've been exposed.

319 Digital Display  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 8:31:43am

Germany scores again! 3-0!
Argentine players are starting to cry..I can see the tears well up in their eyes

320 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 8:32:43am

re: #317 Dark_Falcon
That is because he was a general first.

321 Honorary Consul General  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 8:32:43am

re: #319 HoosierHoops

Germany scores again! 3-0!
Argentine players are starting to cry..I can see the tears well up in their eyes

BFD. All they need is a field goal!!

322 Honorary Consul General  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 8:34:03am

re: #317 Dark_Falcon

As ever, Sun Tzu was a far wiser and more farsighted man than our politicians today.

NatGeo is doing a thing on Sun Tzu vs. Hannibal. Saw the quick clip. Not sure when it airs.

323 Boogberg  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 8:34:12am

re: #315 lawhawk

It was a VFUS all the way around and the President signed off on it knowing (*or should have known) that they needed far more support and resources available) than they had. They treated the embassy takeover as a diplomatic situation rather than an act of war - and then didn't allocate the resources to do what had to be done. That's ultimately on Carter.

The way I remember it, as soon as Reagan was elected, the hostages were released almost immediately.

324 Honorary Consul General  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 8:35:36am

re: #323 Boogberg

The way I remember it, as soon as Reagan was elected, the hostages were released almost immediately.

The Iranians did that because they hated Carter. It was about 20 seconds after Reagan took office.

325 Boogberg  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 8:37:16am

re: #324 Cannadian Club Akbar

Why did they hate Carter though? Did they ever tell us?

326 Honorary Consul General  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 8:39:10am

re: #325 Boogberg

Why did they hate Carter though? Did they ever tell us?

Prolly because he tried to free the hostages.

327 Digital Display  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 8:39:25am

re: #324 Cannadian Club Akbar

The Iranians did that because they hated Carter. It was about 20 seconds after Reagan took office.

Nope..Not the way I recall.. Everybody knew Reagan was going to kick the effen Iranians ass as soon as he got in office...America was itching to kick ass after Carter and Iran knew it....Just a general feeling

328 Honorary Consul General  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 8:41:14am

President Carter applied economic pressure by halting oil imports from Iran and freezing Iranian assets in the United States.

[Link: www.encyclopedia.com...]

329 lawhawk  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 8:41:40am

re: #323 Boogberg

They were released within hours of Reagan's inauguration because the Iranian mullahs didn't know what Reagan would do.

330 lawhawk  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 8:43:02am

re: #325 Boogberg

Why did they hate Carter though? Did they ever tell us?

Because Carter allowed the Shah of Iran to come to NYC for medical treatment. The mullahs had been opposed to the Shah for some time, but the Shah's secret police had kept things under control. It was a perfect storm that enabled the revolutionaries to sweep the Shah from power.

331 Honorary Consul General  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 8:43:21am

re: #327 HoosierHoops

They knew Ronnie would put a boot in their ass, but it was agreed upon prior to his inauguration.

332 Varek Raith  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 8:43:58am

re: #331 Cannadian Club Akbar

They knew Ronnie would put a boot in their ass, but it was agreed upon prior to his inauguration.

I'm not convinced he would've...
Considering his response to Beirut...

333 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 8:44:52am

re: #327 HoosierHoops

Nope..Not the way I recall.. Everybody knew Reagan was going to kick the effen Iranians ass as soon as he got in office...America was itching to kick ass after Carter and Iran knew it...Just a general feeling

And now Luap Nor seeks to induce the GOP to turn its back on Ronald Reagan's wise policy of international engagement. The party must be reminded of its own best traditions. Isolationism has never been a winning ticket for very long.

334 lawhawk  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 8:46:17am

Well, get ready for a whole lot more bloviation in NYC on July 13. The Cordoba House proposal goes before the Landmarks Preservation Commission in NYC. That's the proposal to build a mosque and community center two blocks north of Ground Zero. The LPC moved the site of the meeting to Hunter College to handle the expected crowds.

335 Digital Display  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 8:46:30am

re: #332 Varek Raith

I'm not convinced he would've...
Considering his response to Beirut...

The mood of the country at that moment was intense.. We wanted to kick Iran's ass and they knew it....I recall that feeling in the country

336 Honorary Consul General  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 8:46:34am

[Link: www.metacafe.com...]

337 Honorary Consul General  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 8:47:35am

re: #332 Varek Raith

I'm not convinced he would've...
Considering his response to Beirut...

Sorry to go partisan, but he had a Dem House and Senate. His hands were tied.

338 Digital Display  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 8:47:36am

Germany scores Again! 4-0!
Does it get any better this morning?

339 Honorary Consul General  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 8:48:13am

re: #338 HoosierHoops

Germany scores Again! 4-0!
Does it get any better this morning?

I HAVE PIZZA AND BEER!! WOOT!!

340 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 8:49:00am

re: #334 lawhawk

Well, get ready for a whole lot more bloviation in NYC on July 13. The Cordoba House proposal goes before the Landmarks Preservation Commission in NYC. That's the proposal to build a mosque and community center two blocks north of Ground Zero. The LPC moved the site of the meeting to Hunter College to handle the expected crowds.

What's your take on the whole matter?

341 lawhawk  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 8:49:31am

re: #261 Killgore Trout

BTW, that money was part of the stimulus package dedicated for alt-energy programs and it is also in the form of loan guarantees - not direct funding.

342 calochortus  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 8:50:53am

re: #335 HoosierHoops
Ah yes, recollections vary. I recall the Iranians being very happy to embarrass Carter, not so much that they feared reprisal (though who knows for sure.) We were still pretty close to Vietnam and weren't all that bellicose.

343 Boogberg  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 8:51:43am

re: #330 lawhawk

Because Carter allowed the Shah of Iran to come to NYC for medical treatment. The mullahs had been opposed to the Shah for some time, but the Shah's secret police had kept things under control. It was a perfect storm that enabled the revolutionaries to sweep the Shah from power.

That's right! It's coming back to me now. It was that Shah stuff. Hard to tell who the bad guy was in that situation. I hear the CIA severely meddled in Iran's affairs at the time.

344 albusteve  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 8:52:40am

re: #333 Dark_Falcon

And now Luap Nor seeks to induce the GOP to turn its back on Ronald Reagan's wise policy of international engagement. The party must be reminded of its own best traditions. Isolationism has never been a winning ticket for very long.

I don't give a crap about the GOP or the political climate...Astan is winnable if NATO can take the fight to the Taliban and right now it appears they can't...there is not enough international involvement, not nearly enough shooters to seize and hold the ground, the timetable and the six month delay sending 30k troops is a disaster in the making....all this was discussed and debated long before the current GOP cut and run shit...Astan is a massive, long term commitment or a loser...there is no tweener and if we don't figure out an entire new way to do business there, we are fucked and it's all for nothing....I care a lot more about our armed forces than tribal peasants...if that seems cold then so be it

345 lawhawk  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 8:52:56am

re: #340 Dark_Falcon

I'm still ambivalent on it. I want to see where their financing is coming from - and while I've seem sources attributed to Rockefeller Bros Fund and Ford Foundation, there's quite a bit of money still to be raised.

Some of the comments by the group's leadership is questionable, but at the same time - the community itself is sorely in need of a 92nd street Y type facility (which is how the proposal is framed).

If the group's financing is clean, then I don't have a problem with it (and I work just a few blocks from the site in question).

346 calochortus  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 8:57:04am

re: #343 Boogberg

The Shah may have been keeping the lid on things (Cheap Oil!) but his secret police were hated and feared-with cause. I knew a couple Iranians studying in the US at the time and thought it odd that they didn't spend much time with each other. After the Shah fell, one explained that neither knew if the other was reporting back on them. Just a few years ago I met a woman who had actually met the head of the Savak (she was doing a study on the international drug trade.) She said he was the most purely evil man she ever met.

The revolution traded one evil for another.

347 ryannon  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 8:58:36am

re: #250 Cannadian Club Akbar

I'm sure if it were a Mexican flag it would have been fine.

Hark!

The call of the Wingnut is heard in the distance!

/ :-)

348 lawhawk  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 8:59:40am

re: #341 lawhawk

Oh, and that's spending/leveraging $2 billion to create all of 5,000 jobs.

That's an atrocious cost to benefit ratio. That works out to $400,000 per job created. Heck, say it creates 10,000 jobs. It would still be $200,000 per job.

349 Honorary Consul General  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 9:00:19am

re: #347 ryannon

Hark!

The call of the Wingnut is heard in the distance!

/ :-)

Nice t see you, ma'am.

350 ryannon  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 9:02:31am

re: #349 Cannadian Club Akbar

Nice t see you, ma'am.

Watch it, Bubba.

351 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 9:02:47am

re: #341 lawhawk

BTW, that money was part of the stimulus package dedicated for alt-energy programs and it is also in the form of loan guarantees - not direct funding.

Yes, I was just looking into that. I can't find the interest rate but it's probably somewhere around 5%. Ed Morrisey has a hilarious take on the project.....

Obama proposes spending $2 billion to create a total of 5,100 jobs. That will cost $392,156.87 per job.


God, these people are stupid.

352 Boogberg  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 9:03:12am

re: #346 calochortus

The Shah may have been keeping the lid on things (Cheap Oil!) but his secret police were hated and feared-with cause. I knew a couple Iranians studying in the US at the time and thought it odd that they didn't spend much time with each other. After the Shah fell, one explained that neither knew if the other was reporting back on them. Just a few years ago I met a woman who had actually met the head of the Savak (she was doing a study on the international drug trade.) She said he was the most purely evil man she ever met.

The revolution traded one evil for another.

I'm coming to that conclusion as well.

353 ryannon  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 9:03:39am

re: #350 ryannon

Watch it, Bubba.

Lest I hit you with my lead-lined handbag.

354 Honorary Consul General  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 9:05:02am

re: #353 ryannon

Lest I hit you with my lead-lined handbag.

Heh. Chicky.

355 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 9:07:14am

People on Friday lashed out at the US, blaming its alliance with the Pakistani government and its presence in Afghanistan for spurring Thursday’s deadly attacks on Data Darbar. Protests were held in Lahore against the attack, as the death toll rose to 44.

“America is killing Muslims in Afghanistan and in our tribal areas (with missile strikes), and militants are attacking Pakistan to express anger against the government for supporting America,” said Zahid Umar, 25, who frequently visits the shrine.

Pakistanis are suffering because of American policies and aggression in the region, said Mohammed Asif, 34, who runs an auto workshop in Lahore. He and others said the attacks would end if the US would pull out of Afghanistan.

Several other people interviewed blamed the Ahmadis. While others cast about for additional villains - though America’s hand was seen there, too.

Washington “is encouraging Indians and Jews to carry out attacks” in Pakistan, said Arifa Moen, 32, a teacher in the central city of Multan.

SNIP

356 lawhawk  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 9:08:36am

re: #351 Killgore Trout

And no, it's not stupid because there are far more effective means of direct and indirect investment that could result in more jobs created without putting up the money in return. Tax credits and tax breaks would not require expenditures but in turn allow businesses to operate more freely. Of course, those expenditures get counted as expenditures because that's the way they're accounted for - as in revenues lost or not captured by tax rates then in existence.

It would be far better if the feds simply provide additional credits to any company coming in to set up business rather than picking winners as this proposal does.

On the flip side, this works only if you recognize that the credit markets remain broken and the only way these alt energy businesses get underway is through massive federal intervention.

The problem then becomes what happens once the federal support is lifted - do these businesses stand on their own or will they continue to require subsidies to operate?

What about recapture if the businesses don't meet their goals of job creation? If there's no recapture provisions, then the money put up is gone and there aren't the jobs to show for it.

357 Honorary Consul General  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 9:09:24am

On the phone with sis. Anyone want to wish her a happy birthday?

358 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 9:10:17am

re: #355 MandyManners

People on Friday lashed out at the US, blaming its alliance with the Pakistani government and its presence in Afghanistan for spurring Thursday’s deadly attacks on Data Darbar. Protests were held in Lahore against the attack, as the death toll rose to 44.

They're blaming the wrong party. The real issue is that the Taliban see the Sufi shrine in question as blasphemous and want to destroy it as part of their drive to "build an Islamic State". We're not the problem, and should the Taliban be suppressed we'll be happy to leave.

359 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 9:10:55am

Moroccan authorities expelled eight more foreign Christians from the country last weekend, bringing the total of deported Christians since March to 128.

Two foreign women married to Moroccan Christians were included in this third wave of deportations since March, raising concerns that local authorities intend to harass the country’s small but growing Protestant community.

“They are all in fear,” a source told Compass, “because this happened to people who are married.”

One of the women, a Lebanese national married to a Moroccan, was diagnosed with cancer last month and is the mother of a 6-year old girl whom she was forced to leave behind.

SNIP

Like hell if I would leave her behind.

360 Boogberg  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 9:11:56am

Happy birthday to Sister Akbar! :)

361 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 9:12:13am

re: #358 Dark_Falcon

They're blaming the wrong party. The real issue is that the Taliban see the Sufi shrine in question as blasphemous and want to destroy it as part of their drive to "build an Islamic State". We're not the problem, and should the Taliban be suppressed we'll be happy to leave.

The ignorance is shocking. "Indians and Jews".

362 jamesfirecat  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 9:14:04am

re: #357 Cannadian Club Akbar

On the phone with sis. Anyone want to wish her a happy birthday?

Don't know her from Eve but I'll wish her one all the same...

363 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 9:14:32am

Yeah, he's purddy. He'd even give Prince William a run for his money.

364 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 9:15:30am

re: #345 lawhawk

I'm still ambivalent on it. I want to see where their financing is coming from - and while I've seem sources attributed to Rockefeller Bros Fund and Ford Foundation, there's quite a bit of money still to be raised.

Some of the comments by the group's leadership is questionable, but at the same time - the community itself is sorely in need of a 92nd street Y type facility (which is how the proposal is framed).

If the group's financing is clean, then I don't have a problem with it (and I work just a few blocks from the site in question).

Fine. Can the Landmark Committee order a review of the financing?

365 lawhawk  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 9:17:40am

re: #364 Dark_Falcon

Nope - that's not in their purview. The City Council has to review the application after the LPC, so they'd have the final say on the matter. They could ask to see the financing and/or the group could release that information to assuage concerns.

366 calochortus  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 9:19:52am

re: #357 Cannadian Club Akbar

On the phone with sis. Anyone want to wish her a happy birthday?

Happy Birthday!

367 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 9:22:04am

re: #356 lawhawk

The stupidity I was referring to was Ed Morrisey's dishonest math. You can make a reasonable argument that they should have been enticed with bax breaks instead of loans. I suspect there are already plenty of tax breaks available for green energy plants but to entice a company to build a plant meant a direct loan is the best way to go. We need the jobs and we need the energy. I'm glad it's being done.

368 lawhawk  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 9:23:58am

re: #367 Killgore Trout

There are some tax breaks for alt energy plants, but a big problem is in siting the actual alt energy facilities - NIMBY runs strong and there are significant water requirements to operate those plants.

369 austin_blue  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 9:24:29am

Ca-ca-ca-crazeee is now an Officially Sanctioned Major League Sport in Texas politics.

Sigh...

370 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 9:24:49am

re: #367 Killgore Trout

The stupidity I was referring to was Ed Morrisey's dishonest math. You can make a reasonable argument that they should have been enticed with bax breaks instead of loans. I suspect there are already plenty of tax breaks available for green energy plants but to entice a company to build a plant meant a direct loan is the best way to go. We need the jobs and we need the energy. I'm glad it's being done.

Also now that I think about maybe a load is best. If we give them tax breaks then that revenue is lost. We gave them a 2 billion dollar loan. I'm assuming 5% interest rate so we get the jobs, the energy, the tax revenue and $1 million in interest.

371 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 9:25:24am

re: #370 Killgore Trout

load is best.


Loan.
/ugh

372 austin_blue  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 9:28:39am

re: #368 lawhawk

There are some tax breaks for alt energy plants, but a big problem is in siting the actual alt energy facilities - NIMBY runs strong and there are significant water requirements to operate those plants.

So put the new nuke plants where the existing old coal plants are. Heat is heat. Infrastructure like cooling water, towers, and distribution lines are already there. You are just changing the fuel. And use Thorium. No meltdowns, almost no waste.

Even a Viridian Greenie like me would lobby for it.

373 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 9:28:54am

re: #359 MandyManners

Moroccan authorities expelled eight more foreign Christians from the country last weekend, bringing the total of deported Christians since March to 128.

Two foreign women married to Moroccan Christians were included in this third wave of deportations since March, raising concerns that local authorities intend to harass the country’s small but growing Protestant community.

“They are all in fear,” a source told Compass, “because this happened to people who are married.”

One of the women, a Lebanese national married to a Moroccan, was diagnosed with cancer last month and is the mother of a 6-year old girl whom she was forced to leave behind.

SNIP

Like hell if I would leave her behind.

They'd break your arms and take her from you, kill you if they needed to. They're determined to uphold the supremacy of Islam in Morocco. Morocco doesn't have the nastiest features of Islamic law, but to most of its population conversion should be punishable by death.

374 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 9:29:25am

...and not a single reader at Hot Air objects to Ed Morrisey's dishonest math. They all just accept it as fact. These people are truly living in an alternate reality.

375 Honorary Consul General  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 9:29:42am

My sister thanks all for Bday wishes. I have to make a samich 'cause I'm going boating. Looks like rain, but we can sneak in a few hours. The samich will be Roast Beef with mayo, tomater and onion. And White American. I am a racist. Heh.

376 Boogberg  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 9:32:06am

re: #375 Cannadian Club Akbar

Make sure you toast the bread, you asshole. ;)

377 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 9:32:47am

Ohio's Homeland Security division has fired multicultural relations officer Omar Alomari after learning he hid a past sexual harassment claim when he applied for the job, and then lied to state officials investigating his background.

In April, the website "The Jawa Report" uncovered information that Alomari had been fired from a previous job at Columbus State Community College for violating the school's sexual harassment policy. That prompted an internal investigation. The Columbus Dispatch reports that Alomari spent six years on the faculty, yet the state report found he did not include it on his original application.

SNIP

Just a month earlier, Alomari represented his department in a hearing before the U.S. House Homeland Security Subcommittee on Intelligence, Information Sharing and Terrorism Risk Assessment. Alomari testified about his efforts to combat radicalization. But those efforts included a 40-page Culture Guide related to Arabic and Islamic Culture. It defined jihad as the benign pursuit of personal betterment and said its meaning as a holy war is a European invention, spread in the West. In addition, Alomari wrote "Agents of Radicalization," a two-page brochure that explained terrorism is an expected societal reaction of the once proud and thriving Arab/Muslim culture, now in decline and conflict because of the stronger and aggressive West.

M. Zuhdi Jasser, founder and president of the American Islamic Forum for Democracy, slammed the brochure as inaccurate, with "bizarre revisionist history" and "classic Islamist propaganda." The brochure listed seven Muslim organizations the Ohio agency works with. All the groups have ties to the Muslim Brotherhood or have their own history of extremist rhetoric, including the Council on American-Islamic Relations, the Islamic Circle of North America, the Islamic Society of North America and the Muslim American Society.

SNIP

378 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 9:33:48am

re: #373 Dark_Falcon

They'd break your arms and take her from you, kill you if they needed to. They're determined to uphold the supremacy of Islam in Morocco. Morocco doesn't have the nastiest features of Islamic law, but to most of its population conversion should be punishable by death.

It's amazing how vicious a "moderate" Muslim nation can be. Just amazing. I'm shocked. No, not really.

379 Boogberg  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 9:39:12am

re: #378 MandyManners

I wonder how the global war on AIDS is going.

380 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 9:40:12am

The CIA continues to get it all wrong when discussing al Qaeda in Afghanistan. Numerous officials are repeating CIA Director Leon Panetta's claim that al Qaeda maintains only a small footprint in Afghanistan. Here is what Panetta said over the weekend on ABC News' This Week:

"I think at most, we're looking at maybe 50 to 100, maybe less. It's in that vicinity. There's no question that the main location of al-Qaeda is in tribal areas of Pakistan," he said.

SNIP

ROFLMFAO

381 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 9:40:24am

re: #378 MandyManners

It's amazing how vicious a "moderate" Muslim nation can be. Just amazing. I'm shocked. No, not really.

People can get really mean when their codes are violated. The people in question aren't bad people, but they've been taught to believe that conversion is evil, and even if the Moroccan government wanted to be liberal about such a thing, it cannot be done without creating a grave internal crisis.

382 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 9:40:41am

re: #379 Boogberg

I wonder how the global war on AIDS is going.

I'm experiencing a serious disconnect.

383 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 9:41:10am

re: #381 Dark_Falcon

People can get really mean when their codes are violated. The people in question aren't bad people, but they've been taught to believe that conversion is evil, and even if the Moroccan government wanted to be liberal about such a thing, it cannot be done without creating a grave internal crisis.

Not BAD?

384 Boogberg  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 9:42:26am

re: #382 MandyManners

Don't. I'm with ya.

385 Boogberg  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 9:55:56am

Yep.

Youtube Video
386 calochortus  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 9:59:19am

While I understand that Morocco has improved in recent years, I'm not sure that I would lay the viciousness at the foot of religion. It has been an absolute monarchy with no tolerance for dissent. It is not uncommon to use religion to achieve goals that are unrelated to religious belief.

Malika Oufkir's book Stolen Lives is an interesting look at the system some years ago. The irony being that her father set up the brutal prison system that his family was put into after his death (though she doesn't point this out)

387 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 10:06:30am

re: #368 lawhawk

Have you looked into Rauf's connections with the Free Gaza Movement and the Global Peace Movement in Malaysia?

388 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 10:10:49am

re: #383 MandyManners

Not BAD?

Yep, they' aren't evil-minded. They've been taught their whole lives that this sort of coercion is acceptable. They've also been taught that to forgo said coercion is to endanger their souls. You yourself know how powerful that latter threat is.

389 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 10:11:50am

re: #386 calochortus

While I understand that Morocco has improved in recent years, I'm not sure that I would lay the viciousness at the foot of religion. It has been an absolute monarchy with no tolerance for dissent. It is not uncommon to use religion to achieve goals that are unrelated to religious belief.

Malika Oufkir's book Stolen Lives is an interesting look at the system some years ago. The irony being that her father set up the brutal prison system that his family was put into after his death (though she doesn't point this out)

Riiight.

In a letter addressed to the Tom Lantos Human Rights Commission on June 17, Ambassador of Morocco to the United States Aziz Mekouar claimed that the deportations “solely and exclusively targeted proselytism activities, which are clearly and categorically forbidden by the laws of Morocco and the precepts of Islam.”

The ambassador said the Moroccan Penal Code imposes fines and prison sentences for those who “use means of seduction in the aim of undermining a Muslim’s faith or of converting him/her to another religion, either by exploiting his weaknesses or needs, or through the use, to this end, of health or educational establishments, as well as shelters or orphanages.”

Moroccan authorities have failed to provide foreign Christians whom they expelled with documented proof or official charges of their alleged proselytism activities. In his letter, the ambassador said the deportations were preferable to the “difficult ordeal” of incarceration and a trial as part of a criminal procedure against the Christians.

SNIP

ROPMA.

390 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 10:12:24am

Gotta' haul The Kid to the pool.

391 TampaKnight  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 10:13:02am

I just watched an episode on Teddy Roosevelt.

I had no idea he was shot during a speech and CONTINUED talking for 90 minutes anyways.

Badass.

392 Varek Raith  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 10:13:19am

Lol.
Religion.

393 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 10:15:31am

re: #391 TampaKnight

I just watched an episode on Teddy Roosevelt.

I had no idea he was shot during a speech and CONTINUED talking for 90 minutes anyways.

Badass.

Blowhard.

394 calochortus  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 10:16:26am

re: #389 MandyManners

I'm not sure how this proves religion is the cause rather than just an excuse. However, I doubt we'll come to an agreement. You need to do Kid hauling and I should go help my husband move some dirt around before it gets to hot. Have a lovely day.

395 Varek Raith  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 10:16:49am

re: #393 Walter L. Newton

Blowhard.

Hi Walter, you jerk!

396 calochortus  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 10:17:17am

Ummm, that should be "too" hot, although I suppose the hot-meter could get "to" hot...

397 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 10:17:22am

re: #395 Varek Raith

Hi Walter, you jerk!

Morning... (morning here).

398 Digital Display  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 10:19:56am

re: #393 Walter L. Newton

Blowhard.

Damn Walter..I love your skillz..
I want to buy a piece for Nikki...I like showering my daughter with gifts...
We have to talk..Very nice work Walter...I like silver for the chain..Can you do that?

399 Varek Raith  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 10:21:24am

re: #398 HoosierHoops

Damn Walter..I love your skillz..
I want to buy a piece for Nikki...I like showering my daughter with gifts...
We have to talk..Very nice work Walter...I like silver for the chain..Can you do that?

It's really nice work!
*Adds to list of things to buy when I gets cash*
:)

400 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 10:24:03am

Hello reine.de.tout,
Just dropped you an email...

401 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 10:26:33am

re: #398 HoosierHoops

Damn Walter..I love your skillz..
I want to buy a piece for Nikki...I like showering my daughter with gifts...
We have to talk..Very nice work Walter...I like silver for the chain..Can you do that?

Yes... I have silver chain... but if I do a stone for you on a silver chain, it would probably be just a bail mounted stone... wouldn't have all those little accent pieces to the right and left... ascetically a chain looks better with one pendant hanging from it...

So imagine one of the stones in these picture simply hanging from a sliver chain...

(these are examples, actually all these stones have been mounted and are in the the craft stores up here)

Image: six_stones.JPG

402 Digital Display  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 10:28:57am

re: #399 Varek Raith

It's really nice work!
*Adds to list of things to buy when I gets cash*
:)

Hi You..Gosh..I remember when we started our Family..Times were so hard..Healthcare sucked...We lived in a 125 dollar flat on randolf street in Napa with babies and diaper expenses..Life was fucking tough then..
I will never forget how hard it was...

403 Digital Display  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 10:31:30am

re: #401 Walter L. Newton

I have to do something special for Nikki.. Thanks..She is going to be thrilled..

404 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 10:33:48am

re: #402 HoosierHoops

re: #403 HoosierHoops

Honestly... I appreciate it. I'm doing what I can to get through this rough economy, and at the same time, I know the work has value, so everyone walks away happy. Thanks all.

405 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 10:34:30am

re: #399 Varek Raith

Sorry... I thought I clipped you into comment 404 too. I meant that for HH and you V.

406 prairiefire  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 10:37:12am

re: #405 Walter L. Newton

I like your Etsy store name, hummingbirdcutsom.

407 ryannon  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 10:37:21am

re: #388 Dark_Falcon

Yep, they' aren't evil-minded. They've been taught their whole lives that this sort of coercion is acceptable. They've also been taught that to forgo said coercion is to endanger their souls. You yourself know how powerful that latter threat is.

It's a bad mix of culture, tradition, religion - and ultimately, the belief that men determine what's right and what's not. There are plenty of cases in France of mixed marriages that end with the husband taking the children back to Morocco, Algeria or even Turkey without the wife's knowledge/consent. Once that happens, it becomes extremely difficult to recuperate the offspring despite international conventions criminalizing this type of activity.

408 ryannon  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 10:38:41am

re: #391 TampaKnight

I just watched an episode on Teddy Roosevelt.

I had no idea he was shot during a speech and CONTINUED talking for 90 minutes anyways.

Badass.


It only hurt when he laughed.

409 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 10:39:02am

Gotta go. BBL

410 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 10:41:25am

re: #406 prairiefire

I like your Etsy store name, hummingbirdcutsom.

Thank you... It's Hummingbird Custom Jewelry, but they had a length limit on the sub domain URL... so I shortened it for Etsy. I've managed to place some pieces in two craft stores up here, on consignment, one in Conifer and one in Pine Junction, and a antique/crafts/brick-brack shop in Pine is getting some stuff this coming week... so I've triangulated the area up here... and this is a big tourist camping/fishing area... so, I'm curious how the tourist trade helps sales... once the snows come, everything non-winter related shuts down or goes on a short schedule.

411 Digital Display  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 10:41:52am

re: #404 Walter L. Newton

re: #403 HoosierHoops

Honestly... I appreciate it. I'm doing what I can to get through this rough economy, and at the same time, I know the work has value, so everyone walks away happy. Thanks all.

I like your work.. Nikki got laid off and is in the dumps right now...Things are tough but if she is around lots of Family.. including her mom...I'm officially the only family member not living in California..
She can always move into my old room in Grandpa's house in Yountville...
But trust me..She is down and depressed and just can't find a good job...
Nikki needs a gift

412 Varek Raith  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 10:44:59am

Ruh-roh.
Laptop auto rebooted...
Seems fine now...

413 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 10:53:25am

re: #411 HoosierHoops

I like your work.. Nikki got laid off and is in the dumps right now...Things are tough but if she is around lots of Family.. including her mom...I'm officially the only family member not living in California..
She can always move into my old room in Grandpa's house in Yountville...
But trust me..She is down and depressed and just can't find a good job...
Nikki needs a gift

It's tough... I know... the last two weeks I was lucky enough to get a mid sized project from the IT consultant I occasionally work for, it was for Kaiser, a moderate change to the functionality of this survey application I wrote for them... it takes patient visits, runs them through a bunch of rules, selects a subset of visits, distributes them across a number of different survey types and produces the order for the interviewers to call the patients and talk to them about their visit.

Well... the modifications was big enough to pay for my half of a vacation, so the girlfriend and I are doing Paris in Jan. When I was fully employed as a programmer, I would do Paris ever year, it's been a while... so this is going to be a treat.

I suspect Nikki will managed, with family such as you, to get going again... the important thing is to never give up... I've been hunting and pecking and doing what I can for 6 years now... and I still have a smile on my face.

414 Stanghazi  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 10:57:38am

re: #413 Walter L. Newton

Upding! Hi Walter & everyone!

415 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 11:00:21am

re: #414 Stanley Sea

Upding! Hi Walter & everyone!

Hello Stanley... lazy morning here... 81 degrees (f)... but air is cool and a nice breeze... I got a 5-10 pm shift at the supermarket later... that's gonna be crazy, day before the 4th... well be slammed... except for one break, you can bet I'll be checking non-stop...

416 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 11:01:09am

re: #414 Stanley Sea

P.S. ... thanks for the email and update. It will be put to good use.

417 b_Snark  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 11:05:02am

Just found out a tornado went through one of the first nations bands I work with and destroyed 15 homes. We're still waiting to hear if anyone was hurt but initial news reports say no. A friend of mine, who is a member of the band is heading up there to check on his family and says he'll call me later.

Just got a call from my daughter. Her 20 year old cat is quite sick and she thinks she's going to have to have her put down.

It going to be a busy weekend, I'm afraid.

418 McSpiff  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 11:07:19am

re: #415 Walter L. Newton

Hello Stanley... lazy morning here... 81 degrees (f)... but air is cool and a nice breeze... I got a 5-10 pm shift at the supermarket later... that's gonna be crazy, day before the 4th... well be slammed... except for one break, you can bet I'll be checking non-stop...

I had to go to two different grocery stores yesterday to get hot dog buns. Was insane.

419 prairiefire  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 11:07:42am

Orange colored smoke just wafted past the kitchen window. The pyro technics brigade is in the backyard having a good time. I'm making 7 layer salad for tomorrow.
re: #417 b_sharp

Hope the folks are alright!

420 Varek Raith  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 11:08:13am

re: #418 McSpiff

I had to go to two different grocery stores yesterday to get hot dog buns. Was insane.

Preparedness is your friend.
I did all that last week.
:P

:)

421 McSpiff  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 11:09:22am

re: #420 Varek Raith

Preparedness is your friend.
I did all that last week.
:P

:)

I was the DD at a party where the host had bought 24 sausages and no buns. Needless to say, I was the party hero.

422 b_Snark  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 11:09:30am

re: #419 prairiefire

Orange colored smoke just wafted past the kitchen window. The pyro technics brigade is in the backyard having a good time. I'm making 7 layer salad for tomorrow.


Hope the folks are alright!

As do I. Over the past 13 or so years I've developed a number of friendships there.

423 Stanghazi  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 11:11:35am

re: #415 Walter L. Newton

Hello Stanley... lazy morning here... 81 degrees (f)... but air is cool and a nice breeze... I got a 5-10 pm shift at the supermarket later... that's gonna be crazy, day before the 4th... well be slammed... except for one break, you can bet I'll be checking non-stop...

I hit the store last night at like 830. Bought supplies for the whole weekend (I hope) I hate the crowds. I can imagine how crazy it's going to be for you today.

424 Ayeless in Ghazi  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 11:11:39am

re: #278 HoosierHoops

I miss living in Hawaii... The best 3 years of my life..It's bra..not bro..I know these things..
The Short story of Sharm...Wow there are so many versions that have been floated about on the Internet...They are wide ranging versions and because Sharm never addressed it personally so they are all just rumors and speculation...Some of the stories are just laughable.
I can tell you a few facts...The last time Sharm wrote me she said she wanted to find God in her life and take a new direction in her life..She started going to Mass every day and wanted to find her soul and be fulfilled. She was in a bad way financially and was looking for work..
I hope she finds happiness and love...Her 2 little boys are just the most handsome kids you have ever seen...Just adorable young men..

Hi Hoops! How ya doin'?

Re Sharmuta - I hope everything works out for her. If she is looking for work or furthering her education that's great - and it's also a large part of the advice that ice and I gave her when she first made her troubles known to us. However, I'd also add that her financial issues don't excuse the mistreatment of, and slander of others that she resorted to before her departure. I sincerely hope that her spiritual growth is expansive enough for her to realise that.

425 Digital Display  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 11:17:02am

re: #424 Jimmah

Hi Hoops! How ya doin'?

Re Sharmuta - I hope everything works out for her. If she is looking for work or furthering her education that's great - and it's also a large part of the advice that ice and I gave her when she first made her troubles known to us. However, I'd also add that her financial issues don't excuse the mistreatment of, and slander of others that she resorted to before her departure. I sincerely hope that her spiritual growth is expansive enough for her to realise that.

Hi Jimmah!
I wasn't going to bring any of that up..Her last email to me was..and you know this was..ugly...I forwarded it to Charles just for the archives...

426 Ayeless in Ghazi  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 11:46:08am

re: #425 HoosierHoops

I know, Hoops, you were just being decent. I'll send you an email once I'm done fixing up my pc.

Cheers :)

427 Romantic Heretic  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 11:52:47am

re: #13 boxhead

It is a blatant ploy by FOX to use nonsense to rile the masses and distract what is important. You can insert any of their non issues into the equation. All you have to add is FOX air time and some drooling TV personalities in a constant state of OMG.

There's a reason I refer to Fox News as 'The Ministry of Truth.'

428 BongCrodny  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 12:27:03pm

Howdy, all ~~

Can a noob get a little tech help around here? Whenever anyone posts a youtube video, all I get is a blank white box.

Not that I'm intrinsically opposed to blank white boxes, but, y'know, I already have a tough enough time following the conversation.

However, if *all* you guys are posting videos of polar bears eating vanilla ice cream in a blizzard, I withdraw the request.

429 Stanghazi  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 12:36:01pm

re: #428 BongCrodny

Hi! Just so you don't feel ignored (everyone has moved upstairs to the newest thread)

I don't know.

:)

430 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 2:19:03pm

re: #428 BongCrodny

Howdy, all ~~

Can a noob get a little tech help around here? Whenever anyone posts a youtube video, all I get is a blank white box.

Not that I'm intrinsically opposed to blank white boxes, but, y'know, I already have a tough enough time following the conversation.

However, if *all* you guys are posting videos of polar bears eating vanilla ice cream in a blizzard, I withdraw the request.

post the url of the youtube link by itself, not the embed link, on its own line.


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