Amazing Spider-Man #40, April 1968, CGC 7.5

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Back at the end of March I posted a photo of the cover of Spider-Man #40 from the Lizard Collection, with a short synopsis of the story line and a note that the comic book was on the way to the CGC to be graded for quality. Well, here’s that book, finally returned and newly sealed in a hard plastic case, with a rating of 7.5 — the rating we expected, well above average. Note that the CGC appraiser also made a comment that this copy has “White Pages,” which is quite rare; most CGC comics from this era have “Cream to Off-White Pages.” In fact, all 5 of the comics we sent to the CG for grading have received the “White Pages” comment — a happy effect of having been stored for 40 years in a tightly sealed wooden box in a dry climate.

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And by the way, here’s a photo of the wooden crate that held more than a thousand comics:

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352 comments

1 Feline Fearless Leader  Sun, Jul 4, 2010 9:24:56pm

Happy (US) Independence Day to all Lizards.

Just got back from festivities near the Art Museum here in Philly. GooGoo Dolls concert and a good fireworks show. Warm (80F) and crowded, but since it was all walking distance from home I at least avoided the monstrous traffic snarls.

Now home with a nightcap listening to sirens and the last vestiges of local fireworks being set off.

2 albusteve  Sun, Jul 4, 2010 9:31:29pm

good old Mom…she’s the best eh?

3 albusteve  Sun, Jul 4, 2010 9:36:19pm

great story…who made the box?…who decided to store them?…that’s a big ass box, takes two people to handle it…where was it stored all those years?…sounds like a plan rather than happenstance…all the little details are intriguing

4 Irenicum  Sun, Jul 4, 2010 9:37:08pm

Thank God for wooden crates!

5 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Jul 4, 2010 9:38:39pm

What’s really in that box?
Mouahahahaha!

6 albusteve  Sun, Jul 4, 2010 9:41:43pm

re: #4 Irenicum

Thank God for wooden crates!

maybe someday Charles will reveal the Secret of the Box…
Indiana Johnson
the Qwest of the Comix

7 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jul 4, 2010 9:42:24pm

re: #5 Spare O’Lake

What’s really in that box?
Mouahahahaha!

OBAMA’S NIRTH CERTIFIKAT!!1 CHUCKLE MOTHER HID IT AS PART OF A LONG TERM SOCIALIST PLOT!!!11

/Alex Jones

8 albusteve  Sun, Jul 4, 2010 9:46:16pm

re: #7 Dark_Falcon

OBAMA’S NIRTH CERTIFIKAT!!1 CHUCKLE MOTHER HID IT AS PART OF A LONG TERM SOCIALIST PLOT!!!11

/Alex Jones

never before revealed tapes of Charles jamming with Kieth Richards, and piles of G Beck gold certs!

9 Irenicum  Sun, Jul 4, 2010 9:47:23pm

re: #6 albusteve

Wow, that’d be qwazy cool!

10 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Jul 4, 2010 9:50:50pm

That wooden crate is like the comic book Ark of the Covenant :D

11 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jul 4, 2010 9:56:37pm

Gotta get to bed. Goodnight, all.

12 ReamWorks SKG  Sun, Jul 4, 2010 9:58:09pm

How do you read it when it’s in a sealed plastic case?

13 albusteve  Sun, Jul 4, 2010 10:00:11pm

re: #12 reuven

How do you read it when it’s in a sealed plastic case?

it’s been memorized…
scary thought…Charles knows every Spiderman comic, word for word

14 austin_blue  Sun, Jul 4, 2010 10:02:59pm

Great fireworks show on Town Lake tonight. Austin Symphony, a series of American traditional music, the 1812 Overture, and Boom Boom Boom for twenty five minutes.

Nice to live a couple blocks south of Barton Springs Road in the ‘04. Ate dogs, drank beer, visited with a bunch of neighbors from 30 to 85.

Happy Birthday to all. The Constitution is the Country. We are the keepers of the Constitution, and the Tea Baggers have no idea what they are talking about.

Here’s a hint with a smack from the cluebat, people, it’s a Social Contract. It’s not about you. It’s about all of us. Or the US, if you prefer.

15 Irenicum  Sun, Jul 4, 2010 10:08:57pm

OK, back to my first love Firefox. The Chrome romance was short lived.

16 Mich-again  Sun, Jul 4, 2010 10:11:25pm

I know that box anywhere, its a lockbox, full of IOU’s to the Social Security fund.

17 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Jul 4, 2010 10:12:50pm

Portland right now is sounding like the beginning of the Metallica song “One”

18 austin_blue  Sun, Jul 4, 2010 10:13:00pm

Stupid is as stupid does:

[Link: www.cnn.com…]

19 albusteve  Sun, Jul 4, 2010 10:14:04pm

an body know anything about microwave popcorn?…I’ve decided to go for it..I want the best, is any of that stuff good?

20 ReamWorks SKG  Sun, Jul 4, 2010 10:16:06pm

re: #14 austin_blue

Much as I like the 1812 Overture, I always wonder how it got associated with the 4th of July. Is it just so we can launch fireworks during the cannonade…

It was written to commemorate Russia’s victory over Napolean during that period, not our own ‘war of 1812’ (when the White House was burned down….)

21 Irenicum  Sun, Jul 4, 2010 10:16:39pm

re: #19 albusteve

I like Redenbacher’s (sp?) stuff. Pretty good.

22 Skeetghazi  Sun, Jul 4, 2010 10:17:33pm

re: #19 albusteve

an body know anything about microwave popcorn?…I’ve decided to go for it..I want the best, is any of that stuff good?

I think it’s all good (Orville?) The key is not to over pop, i.e. burn. The smell ruins the house/office for days.

23 albusteve  Sun, Jul 4, 2010 10:18:26pm

re: #18 austin_blue

Stupid is as stupid does:

[Link: www.cnn.com…]

the gunpowder part eludes some people…and yes a good sized round will take your arm with it…sounds like he was lucky, a few more inches and they’d be trying to reattach his head

24 austin_blue  Sun, Jul 4, 2010 10:21:27pm

re: #20 reuven

Much as I like the 1812 Overture, I always wonder how it got associated with the 4th of July. Is it just so we can launch fireworks during the cannonade…

It was written to commemorate Russia’s victory over Napolean during that period, not our own ‘war of 1812’ (when the White House was burned down…)

Well, it’s a glorious piece of music. Stirs the soul. The cannon shots make it a natural for the beginning of a fireworks show. And it was Emperor against Tsar, not like the Cold War.

25 Mich-again  Sun, Jul 4, 2010 10:21:40pm

re: #19 albusteve
Microwave Pork Rinds are the bomb if you can find them in the store.. mmm

26 albusteve  Sun, Jul 4, 2010 10:22:06pm

two out of two people prefer Orville’s
tomorrow he’s getting popped…without getting burned

27 austin_blue  Sun, Jul 4, 2010 10:23:13pm

re: #25 Mich-again

Microwave Pork Rinds are the bomb if you can find them in the store.. mmm

Thank you, Mr. Pig!

Chicharones…yes…mmm…

28 Skeetghazi  Sun, Jul 4, 2010 10:23:45pm

re: #26 albusteve

two out of two people prefer Orville’s
tomorrow he’s getting popped…without getting burned

Good luck. It’s kind of an art. Always do less time than the pkg says.

29 Mich-again  Sun, Jul 4, 2010 10:24:42pm

re: #28 Stanley Sea

Always do less time than the pkg says.

ah, so its like the Michigan Criminal Justice system huh?

30 austin_blue  Sun, Jul 4, 2010 10:25:34pm

re: #29 Mich-again

ah, so its like the Michigan Criminal Justice system huh?

Unless they send you to Marquette. Life and a day and they are not kidding.

31 Irenicum  Sun, Jul 4, 2010 10:26:19pm

re: #28 Stanley Sea

Yep, wait for it to have a gap of a few seconds between each pop. That’s when to stop. Let it sit for a little bit to let the collected heat finish off any remaining kernels. It should be just right.

32 Mich-again  Sun, Jul 4, 2010 10:26:51pm

Two violations of office lunchroom conduct. 1) Burning popcorn in the microwave. 2) putting your leftover fish dinner in the microwave.

There should be a NO FISH sign on commercial microwaves.

33 Irenicum  Sun, Jul 4, 2010 10:27:01pm

re: #30 austin_blue

Michigan is literally two different states in many ways.

34 KingKenrod  Sun, Jul 4, 2010 10:27:17pm

re: #26 albusteve

two out of two people prefer Orville’s
tomorrow he’s getting popped…without getting burned

I like Orville too.

Don’t bother with anything that sounds healthy…it’s all awful.

Go for the butter and worry about the consequences later.

35 freetoken  Sun, Jul 4, 2010 10:28:06pm

One of tonight’s more troubling headlines:

Chinese Court Sentences US Geologist to 8 Years

An American geologist detained and tortured by China’s state security agents over an oil industry database was jailed for eight years Monday in a troubling example of China’s rough justice system and the way the U.S. government handles cases against its citizens.

Beijing’s No. 1 Intermediate People’s Court convicted Xue Feng of collecting intelligence for overseas and illegally providing state secrets.

[…]

Born in China and trained at the University of Chicago, Xue ran afoul of the authorities for arranging the sale of a detailed commercial database on China’s oil industry to IHS Energy, the energy consulting firm he worked for that is now known as IHS Inc. and based in Colorado.

The case has been seen as a troubling complex of the pitfalls of Chinese justice, […]

Xue languished in detention. His disappearance in 2007 and arrest did not become public for two years until reported by The Associated Press last November. During the early weeks of his detention, state security agents tortured Xue, stubbing lit cigarettes into his arms and hitting him on the head with an ashtray.

Later allowed visits by U.S. consular officers, Xue told them he wanted his case made public. However, his wife, who lives in Texas, disagreed, believing that quiet lobbying might be more effective and fearing that the publicity would trouble their two children and possibly jeopardize her relatives still living in China. Amid their disagreement, the U.S. State Department pursued back-channel diplomacy.

[…]

Aside from Xue, Cohen ticks off other instances of detentions without legal basis, among them Gao Zhisheng, a crusading rights lawyer disappeared by authorities repeatedly, and Zheng Enchong, a lawyer who spent three years in prison after revealing a corrupt land deal and is now in the fifth year of house arrest that has little legal basis.

These are increasingly apparent, visible signs of lawlessness,” said Cohen.

Chinese officials have wide authority to define state secrets, and the latitude makes it difficult for foreigners and Chinese alike to know when they are crossing the line.

Draft regulations released by the government in April defines the business secrets of major state-run companies as state secrets. In Xue’s case, the database had been prepared by a Chinese company and contained detailed information on the state of the Chinese oil industry, which is predominantly state-controlled.

There’s a lot that could be written about this story, and perhaps if I have time I’ll write up a Pages entry.

In the transition from a US-dominated world to a multi-polar world we will be faced with less influence in all manner of situations. This is the way of the world, and something from which we Americans have often been shielded overseas by our super-power status. Sure, drug traffickers and such usually face harsh treatment in many of the worlds’ courts, but in this case it was a business man arranging the sale of a database to one of the world’s premier petroleum industry service companies (IHS.)

Recommend reading the whole article.

36 Jerk  Sun, Jul 4, 2010 10:28:23pm

Didn’t know how the scale worked myself, but it is is out of ten:

[Link: www.cgccomics.com…]

37 albusteve  Sun, Jul 4, 2010 10:28:42pm

re: #24 austin_blue

Well, it’s a glorious piece of music. Stirs the soul. The cannon shots make it a natural for the beginning of a fireworks show. And it was Emperor against Tsar, not like the Cold War.

the Kalamazoo Symphony always did a summer series in the park downtown and every Fourth of July they played the 1812…then blasted into a rousing Stars and Stripes Forever…wowzer!…the piccolo soloist would be miced front and center and everybody would be on their feet, stabbing air and trying to dance to it like it was a Stones gig…very high spirited

38 ReamWorks SKG  Sun, Jul 4, 2010 10:28:52pm

re: #32 Mich-again

Fish in the microwave is a recurring theme at “PassiveAgressiveNotes.com”

[Link: www.passiveaggressivenotes.com…]

39 Skeetghazi  Sun, Jul 4, 2010 10:28:59pm

Does anyone like Jason Mraz? I saw him here in San Diego before he “made” it. I was blown away from the beginning. Here’s a really good video that shows his vocal stuff.

40 Mich-again  Sun, Jul 4, 2010 10:29:06pm

re: #33 Irenicum
I go to the UP about once a year to visit an old friend and hang out. Its not just a different state, its another world up there. Where I go in the UP, Mayberry RFD look like Reno Nevada.

41 ReamWorks SKG  Sun, Jul 4, 2010 10:29:55pm

re: #39 Stanley Sea

Jason Mraz on “Family Guy”

42 albusteve  Sun, Jul 4, 2010 10:30:05pm

re: #28 Stanley Sea

Good luck. It’s kind of an art. Always do less time than the pkg says.

an art?…it’s fucking popcorn not art
got it tho…slow down…
are there old maids?

43 Skeetghazi  Sun, Jul 4, 2010 10:31:06pm

re: #42 albusteve

an art?…it’s fucking popcorn not art
got it tho…slow down…
are there old maids?

You burn it once (I think we all have) you realize it’s an art.

44 jaunte  Sun, Jul 4, 2010 10:32:22pm

re: #19 albusteve

an body know anything about microwave popcorn?.

The first rule is don’t sniff it when you take it out.

45 albusteve  Sun, Jul 4, 2010 10:32:46pm

re: #43 Stanley Sea

You burn it once (I think we all have) you realize it’s an art.

DON”T BURN THE POPCORN!
okay, I’ll try not too

46 Mich-again  Sun, Jul 4, 2010 10:32:53pm

re: #38 reuven
Funny link.. Heyooooo!

47 freetoken  Sun, Jul 4, 2010 10:33:00pm

Hmmm… I wonder if anyone got an image of this to post to the PeopleOfWalmart website:

Police: Man Seen Masturbating In Kenner Walmart

We’ve become a Walmart Nation if even the pervs prefer to go there.

48 Skeetghazi  Sun, Jul 4, 2010 10:33:16pm

re: #41 reuven

Jason Mraz on “Family Guy”


[Video]

Did you watch the vid? Hear the song? :)

49 Irenicum  Sun, Jul 4, 2010 10:33:31pm

re: #43 Stanley Sea

And don’t forget to not accidentally add a zero to the time. That’s really bad. The fire department gets called because of that.

50 austin_blue  Sun, Jul 4, 2010 10:33:52pm

re: #35 freetoken

One of tonight’s more troubling headlines:

Chinese Court Sentences US Geologist to 8 Years

There’s a lot that could be written about this story, and perhaps if I have time I’ll write up a Pages entry.

In the transition from a US-dominated world to a multi-polar world we will be faced with less influence in all manner of situations. This is the way of the world, and something from which we Americans have often been shielded overseas by our super-power status. Sure, drug traffickers and such usually face harsh treatment in many of the worlds’ courts, but in this case it was a business man arranging the sale of a database to one of the world’s premier petroleum industry service companies (IHS.)

Recommend reading the whole article.

FT-

I agree with your basic thesis, but jeez, what was he thinking trying to transfer a database of strategic petroleum capacity in China to an American company? We just rounded up a bunch of Russians trying to do the same kind of Industrial Espionage here.

51 Skeetghazi  Sun, Jul 4, 2010 10:33:57pm

re: #49 Irenicum

And don’t forget to not accidentally add a zero to the time. That’s really bad. The fire department gets called because of that.

lol

52 albusteve  Sun, Jul 4, 2010 10:36:01pm

the UP of MI is…is…is…
well it’s hard to describe…
their language is similar to ours in some respects…but…its…
it’s ah…well…hmmm…it’s different

53 albusteve  Sun, Jul 4, 2010 10:36:53pm

re: #44 jaunte

The first rule is don’t sniff it when you take it out.

sounds like a first date bro…
it’s popcorn, not females

54 jaunte  Sun, Jul 4, 2010 10:37:17pm

re: #18 austin_blue


[Link: www.cnn.com…]
Among the safety steps the commission recommends are the following:

# Never carry fireworks in a pocket…


This is good to remember.

55 freetoken  Sun, Jul 4, 2010 10:38:51pm

re: #50 austin_blue

I think it is important to differentiate what the Russian plants were doing here, and what happened in China.

Yes, I can see where a company’s business secrets ought to have some law to protect them, to protect the owners of the company. Yet, what happened here is that Xue is being thrown in prison for stealing state secrets.

Also, note how little influence Ambassador Huntsman had in this. Ultimately there is little our government can do for you if you happen to be charged in China, if you are just a normal person and not someone important.

56 austin_blue  Sun, Jul 4, 2010 10:40:19pm

re: #52 albusteve

the UP of MI is…is…is…
well it’s hard to describe…
their language is similar to ours in some respects…but…its…
it’s ah…well…hmmm…it’s different

Lived there for three years while flying for the AF. Lotsa Cornishmen and Finlanders. “Jussi, jussi, porkupine, up dere in dat ol’ jack pine..”

Great people, as long as you could keep up with their alcohol consumption. I did my best, but I was a young man, then.

57 albusteve  Sun, Jul 4, 2010 10:40:30pm

had a guy here for a few years, HonoraryYouper or however it went…anybody remember him?

58 austin_blue  Sun, Jul 4, 2010 10:41:23pm

re: #55 freetoken

I think it is important to differentiate what the Russian plants were doing here, and what happened in China.

Yes, I can see where a company’s business secrets ought to have some law to protect them, to protect the owners of the company. Yet, what happened here is that Xue is being thrown in prison for stealing state secrets.

Also, note how little influence Ambassador Huntsman had in this. Ultimately there is little our government can do for you if you happen to be charged in China, if you are just a normal person and not someone important.

Is he a naturalized American citizen or just green-carded?

59 freetoken  Sun, Jul 4, 2010 10:41:58pm

re: #58 austin_blue

I believe he is a naturalized citizen.

60 engineer cat  Sun, Jul 4, 2010 10:42:41pm

however belated, here is my submission for the 4th of july:

uncountable romans
had already parsed and conjugated
innumerable dreams of order and justice
lost to the wandering hearts of men
and the cruelty of the craters of the moon
before we ever thought
to try our childishly hopeful project
which clearly can never have lasted
as long as it has

61 albusteve  Sun, Jul 4, 2010 10:43:03pm

re: #56 austin_blue

Lived there for three years while flying for the AF. Lotsa Cornishmen and Finlanders. “Jussi, jussi, porkupine, up dere in dat ol’ jack pine..”

Great people, as long as you could keep up with their alcohol consumption. I did my best, but I was a young man, then.

ah…duty in a foreign country!….I hate it up there, the most boring place in the entire 48…the lake is kinds cool tho…we used to hike the Porkies and Huron hills…pretty remote

62 Iron-Confederate  Sun, Jul 4, 2010 10:43:51pm

Hey Charles, have you ever been introduce to Linkara the comic book reviewer? [Link: thatguywiththeglasses.com…]

63 Skeetghazi  Sun, Jul 4, 2010 10:44:06pm

You were born on the 4th of July, freedom rings.

64 Racer X  Sun, Jul 4, 2010 10:47:28pm

America kicks ass!

Happy Birthday!

65 austin_blue  Sun, Jul 4, 2010 10:47:34pm

re: #59 freetoken

I believe he is a naturalized citizen.

Agreed, tough situation. But there is no way I would try to get a database like that out of China knowing how tight they are with info. Unless you really lucky, or a really good operative, it’s like playing Russian roulette with a Glock. Only Chuck Norris wins at that game.re: #61 albusteve

ah…duty in a foreign country!…I hate it up there, the most boring place in the entire 48…the lake is kinds cool tho…we used to hike the Porkies and Huron hills…pretty remote

Fish, hunt, drink, fly jets, sit Nuclear Alert, play cribbage. That was about it. I had kin in Chicago. Drove down whenever I could.

66 ReamWorks SKG  Sun, Jul 4, 2010 10:49:06pm

re: #48 Stanley Sea

Yes, I think he’s a good singer. But in general my musical tastes range from traditional jazz to classical.

67 albusteve  Sun, Jul 4, 2010 10:49:11pm

USA is…
Ben Franklin
Gen. McCauliffe
Roger Staubach

68 austin_blue  Sun, Jul 4, 2010 10:49:27pm

Night all! Day off tomorrow. Grilling meat and okra. Yum…

69 albusteve  Sun, Jul 4, 2010 10:50:14pm

re: #66 reuven

Yes, I think he’s a good singer. But in general my musical tastes range from traditional jazz to classical.

well that certainly must include the blues…cool

70 Skeetghazi  Sun, Jul 4, 2010 10:53:14pm

re: #66 reuven

Yes, I think he’s a good singer. But in general my musical tastes range from traditional jazz to classical.

I’ve got weird tastes. Yes.

albusteve posted one of my favorites once - Beach Boys - post it steve!

71 ReamWorks SKG  Sun, Jul 4, 2010 10:53:19pm

Horowitz’ “Stars And Stripes” transcription/reduction

72 albusteve  Sun, Jul 4, 2010 10:55:13pm

re: #70 Stanley Sea

I’ve got weird tastes. Yes.

albusteve posted one of my favorites once - Beach Boys - post it steve!

huh?…I’ve posted hundreds of music links…way before it was so fashionable…what Beach Boys?…I remember that rant, maybe a year ago?

73 Skeetghazi  Sun, Jul 4, 2010 10:55:45pm

re: #72 albusteve

huh?…I’ve posted hundreds of music links…way before it was so fashionable…what Beach Boys?…I remember that rant, maybe a year ago?

74 ReamWorks SKG  Sun, Jul 4, 2010 10:56:44pm

Can’t find Horowitz actually playing it on YouTube, so here’s Arcadi Volodos:

75 Skeetghazi  Sun, Jul 4, 2010 10:57:12pm

I’m ooouuut. Yay, tomorrow I can sleep in.

76 albusteve  Sun, Jul 4, 2010 10:59:02pm

Beach Boys…a taste

77 albusteve  Sun, Jul 4, 2010 10:59:31pm

re: #73 Stanley Sea

[Video]

heh…beat me…good fu

78 Irenicum  Sun, Jul 4, 2010 11:01:00pm

Just got done watching Home from X Files. Seriously twisted shit. I love it. Well I got my quota. G’nite kids.

79 albusteve  Sun, Jul 4, 2010 11:06:40pm

I pity music heads that never saw the original Beach Boys…pure Americana, and their shows were tight and the musicianship was excellent…they were the Bomb in their time…I saw them a couple of time with current rockers and both times they blew everybody away

80 albusteve  Sun, Jul 4, 2010 11:12:46pm

the Beach Boys stun people…

81 albusteve  Sun, Jul 4, 2010 11:15:36pm

Sloop John B
bad fu

82 Bagua  Sun, Jul 4, 2010 11:19:32pm

It’s Cold In China


- The Mississippi Moaner
83 albusteve  Sun, Jul 4, 2010 11:23:09pm

Big Moma Thorton
pre Elvis

84 freetoken  Sun, Jul 4, 2010 11:23:18pm

File this one under “weird”:

Male “Virginity Test” Frees Three Convicted Rapists in Vietnam

A female acupuncturist has gained celebrity status in Vietnam for founding a new and literally unbelievable medical procedure: the ear-based “virginity test.”

That’s right.

Traditional medicine practitioner Pham Thi Hong claims she can tell whether or not someone is a virgin by examining the spots on their ears and taking their pulse rate.

85 albusteve  Sun, Jul 4, 2010 11:24:53pm

the King

86 Firstinla  Sun, Jul 4, 2010 11:38:02pm

re: #85 albusteve

your ry cooder posts are still my favorites

87 albusteve  Sun, Jul 4, 2010 11:41:30pm

Cooder…peaking

88 ReamWorks SKG  Sun, Jul 4, 2010 11:47:12pm

re: #79 albusteve

I’ve seen the “Beach Boy” (Mike Love, who owns the license to the name, with a pick-up band) perform Epcot about 3 years ago. But never the entire band. (I’m only 47, so I was pretty young during their touring days as a complete group.)

(I also spotted Mike Love at the National Rent-A-Car counter at Burbank Airport about 6 months ago.)

89 albusteve  Sun, Jul 4, 2010 11:53:52pm

re: #88 reuven

I’ve seen the “Beach Boy” (Mike Love, who owns the license to the name, with a pick-up band) perform Epcot about 3 years ago. But never the entire band. (I’m only 47, so I was pretty young during their touring days as a complete group.)

(I also spotted Mike Love at the National Rent-A-Car counter at Burbank Airport about 6 months ago.)

I saw them once with Brian Wilson before his downfall, Denver i think, Red Rocks, then once post Brian…very good both times…they are a hell of a story if your into that stuff…I’m 58 but have had it since my beginning…it seems to be in my blood…I’ve spent a small fortune on this stuff

90 Political Atheist  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 12:03:45am

Whew! Back from the party. Funny thing-Met a Doobie Brother. Richard Dunn. Got some fireworks pictures…

91 ReamWorks SKG  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 12:10:32am

I just found a NEW internet time sink!

Hours and hours of Nixon tapes are now on YouTube.

Here’s a great one, where Erlichman tries to explain “All in the Family” to Nixon

92 ReamWorks SKG  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 12:18:27am

And this one:

Don’t read the YouTube comments if you don’t want to go mad.

93 freetoken  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 12:18:55am

re: #92 reuven

Bwaaahaha…

94 freetoken  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 12:20:25am

re: #93 freetoken

Whooopsss… my #93 was supposed to be a reply to #91.

As for the “Jew Spies” tape - we’ve played that here before, but it is always good to be reminded of how bigoted so many leaders can be.

95 Political Atheist  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 1:09:59am

Quiet this late…

96 freetoken  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 1:14:52am

re: #95 Rightwingconspirator

Sunday nights often are, and especially on a holiday.

97 freetoken  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 1:28:17am
98 freetoken  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 1:35:40am
99 Gus  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 2:01:22am

El Stephen - Chic Corea
Steve Gadd on drums.

100 Gus  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 2:07:11am
101 Gus  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 2:22:54am

Power To Love - Band of Gypsys
Buddy Miles on drums.

102 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 2:23:08am

So I’m driving home from the karaoke bar, pulling into my complex, and there’s a guy passed out in his own vomit in the middle of the road surrounded by spent fireworks with like four other dudes just standing around over him

PORTLAND!

103 Gus  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 2:28:59am

Quadrant 4 Spectrum - Billy Cobham

104 EdDantes  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 2:32:38am

This is cute.
From Floral Giraffe last year:

“And the rockets red glare,
Came on bursting mid air,
And proof through the night,
that our flag was till there!

Oooh, say can you see
that star spangled flag,
O’er the land of the free
And the home of the brave!

Celebrate!”

105 Gus  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 2:36:34am

B & W’S Blues (From Palmer)
Roger “Kemp” Biwandu

106 Gus  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 2:46:49am

Rhythmstick Caribe
Dizzy Gillespie
Airto
Tito Puente
Marvin “Smittie” Smith
Phil Woods
Bob Berg
John Scofield
Art Farmer

Image: airto.jpg

107 Gus  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 2:49:29am

All done. Damn, that was quite a lineup if I may say so myself.

108 rwdflynavy  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:43:24am

Good Morning Lizards.

Got my 6 year old to sit still long enough to watch the Capital 4th of July on the big screen last night.

His quote: “That was Awesome!”

109 littletinsoldier  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:01:43am

a) happy 4th of July to everybody!

b) something completely different:

the “illegal” activity of Israeli army in Hebron!

cheers :)

110 RadicalModerate  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:41:10am

This is just too rich. Justin Bieber has just gotten himself trolled by 4chan, and trolled hard.

Prank leaves Justin Bieber facing tour of North Korea

A public vote on the Canadian singer’s My World Tour page asked users which country he should tour next, with no restrictions on the nations that could be voted on.
This spurred users of imageboard website 4Chan to nominate North Korea, with the vote now turning viral.
There are now almost half a million votes to send Bieber to the secretive communist nation.
The contest, which ends at 1800 on 7 July, saw North Korea move from 24th to 1st place in less than two days, several thousand votes ahead of Israel.

The top three vote-getters are favorite targets of 4chan’s /b/ (random) imageboard - North Korea (aka “North Korea is Best Korea”), Israel (heavy trolling by “Jewish Internet Defense Force”), and Poland (“Polandball can into space” meme) each have over 450,000 votes - far outpacing the fourth-ranking nation Turkey with just over 100,000 votes.

111 rwdflynavy  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:57:28am

re: #110 RadicalModerate

Now that is Awesome!

112 Varek Raith  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:25:26am

re: #110 RadicalModerate

This is just too rich. Justin Bieber has just gotten himself trolled by 4chan, and trolled hard.

Prank leaves Justin Bieber facing tour of North Korea

The top three vote-getters are favorite targets of 4chan’s /b/ (random) imageboard - North Korea (aka “North Korea is Best Korea”), Israel (heavy trolling by “Jewish Internet Defense Force”), and Poland (“Polandball can into space” meme) each have over 450,000 votes - far outpacing the fourth-ranking nation Turkey with just over 100,000 votes.

Lol.
4chan.

113 ryannon  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:57:07am

re: #19 albusteve

an body know anything about microwave popcorn?…I’ve decided to go for it..I want the best, is any of that stuff good?

Do you prefer cancer of the stomach or the anus?

114 ryannon  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 6:00:45am

re: #47 freetoken

Hmmm… I wonder if anyone got an image of this to post to the PeopleOfWalmart website:

Police: Man Seen Masturbating In Kenner Walmart

We’ve become a Walmart Nation if even the pervs prefer to go there.

It was for the hot women.

115 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 6:01:29am

Oh crap, I agree with Ron Paul (linked by Instapundit)

Steele won’t be resigning over his Afghanistan comment. Enough of the base agrees with him that it’s not a serious problem. I don’t think the neocons have enough influence left in the party.

116 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 6:05:35am

Michelle Malkin is linking to White Nationalist site VDARE again this morning. Notive the last link in the Buzzworhty section. She fucked up the link so I can’t tell which article she was trying to link to.

117 ryannon  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 6:08:25am

re: #88 reuven

I’ve seen the “Beach Boy” (Mike Love, who owns the license to the name, with a pick-up band) perform Epcot about 3 years ago. But never the entire band. (I’m only 47, so I was pretty young during their touring days as a complete group.)

(I also spotted Mike Love at the National Rent-A-Car counter at Burbank Airport about 6 months ago.)

Way the hell back in time and space, my girlfriend and I picked up Mike Love as he was hitchhiking from Griffith Park to Laurel Canyon. We had time for a nice conversation, and that was that.

118 HoosierHoops  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 6:12:40am

This is the best Holiday of the year so far…
I had a great weekend in the hot Indiana sun BBQ’ing, Swimming, Really loud Music, Cold Beer…Blogging on the deck..
Then I wake up Monday Morning and realize..This is like Holiday Groundhog day and we get to do it all again….
Best Holiday of the year so far

119 ryannon  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 6:12:57am

Uber NSFW or Family: The 100 Greatest Movie Insults of All Time

120 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 6:13:47am

re: #115 Killgore Trout

Oh crap, I agree with Ron Paul (linked by Instapundit)

Steele won’t be resigning over his Afghanistan comment. Enough of the base agrees with him that it’s not a serious problem. I don’t think the neocons have enough influence left in the party.

Well, there’s some people running this year who won’t agree with Paul, Mark Kirk among them. Hopefully, their election, plus better news from Afghanistan will turn things around. If not, I don’t have anything to do. The Democrats in my state are so corrupt and machine driven that I cannot vote for them.

121 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 6:16:42am

re: #116 Killgore Trout

Michelle Malkin is linking to White Nationalist site VDARE again this morning. Notive the last link in the Buzzworhty section. She fucked up the link so I can’t tell which article she was trying to link to.

Malkin is such a creep. You know when the SPLC has 8 articles explicitly mentioning you, you are a flaming bigot.

122 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 6:17:57am

‘Tea party’ goes back to school on Fourth of July

‘An understanding of the Constitution can lead to electing people who will uphold it’

BEALETON, Va. — “Tea party” activists across the nation tried to put the “independence” back in Independence Day this weekend with festivals and other gatherings focused on the Constitution — and how to use it for political gain.

Coupled with an upsurge in organized classes and book clubs, the trend reflects a growing effort among conservatives to teach supporters how to do political battle using an inviolable weapon: the nation’s founding documents. It’s a change in emphasis for a movement that rose to prominence with spirited and sometimes unruly protests across the nation.

But it’s one that organizers hope will yield real political results by arming supporters with the detailed knowledge to back only those candidates who are loyal to their ideals.

“The rallies were a start, but the goal now is to get people to stop and really think about things,” said Kerry Scott, an organizer of the Alexandria Tea Party, one of several hundred conservative activists who attended “An American Event,” a Fourth of July festival for “God and country” staged by a local farmer on rolling farmland in the foothills of Virginia’s Blue Ridge Mountains this weekend.

SNIP

I haven’t finished the article, so I’m not going to make any wisecracks yet. Unlike most times, this ‘Tea Party’ idea is in-and-of-itself a sound one.

123 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 6:39:03am

re: #122 Dark_Falcon

‘Tea party’ goes back to school on Fourth of July

‘An understanding of the Constitution can lead to electing people who will uphold it’

SNIP

I haven’t finished the article, so I’m not going to make any wisecracks yet. Unlike most times, this ‘Tea Party’ idea is in-and-of-itself a sound one.

The problem is that they’ve adopted an originalist interpretation of the Constitution. They can read it all day long but they can’t interpret it in a real world way. There are no “originalists” on the Supreme Court and there probably never has been. It’s a quack philosophy.
The Tea Parties are also very interested in history but they are using Glenn Beck’s Birch Society revised history. They are on a completely different planet.
I’m also seeing a lot of talk for conservatives these days that Keynesian economics has failed and is now dead. That’s like claiming gravity no longer applies. It’s insanity.

The Tea Parties are a quack movement of conspiracies and bad ideas. Like the LaRouche crowd or the Birch society they may survive but they will never develop worthwhile practical ideas that will work in the real world.

124 His Favorite Heretic  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 6:40:58am

re: #123 Killgore Trout

I’m relatively ignorant about the TPs, but is less government and lower taxes unworkable?

125 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 6:43:20am

re: #124 His Favorite Heretic

I’m relatively ignorant about the TPs, but is less government and lower taxes unworkable?

Not necessarily. My personal opinion is that conservatives should focus on more efficient government. Less is not always better but you can’t go wrong with efficient.

126 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 6:43:35am

re: #124 His Favorite Heretic

I’m relatively ignorant about the TPs, but is less government and lower taxes unworkable?

Yes, if you don’t define what you want the gov’t to be smaller than, and what you want taxes to be lower than.

127 His Favorite Heretic  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 6:46:30am

re: #126 Fozzie Bear

Yes, if you don’t define what you want the gov’t to be smaller than, and what you want taxes to be lower than.

Hmmmmm. Do we need so many agencies and bureaus? Do we need to tax and spend, bailout corporations, give out entitlements …

128 RadicalModerate  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 6:46:50am

re: #122 Dark_Falcon

‘Tea party’ goes back to school on Fourth of July

‘An understanding of the Constitution can lead to electing people who will uphold it’

SNIP

I haven’t finished the article, so I’m not going to make any wisecracks yet. Unlike most times, this ‘Tea Party’ idea is in-and-of-itself a sound one.

Of course, they seem to always stop reading at the 10th Amendment- There’s a section in there where they talk about some of the amendments that Tea Partiers want to get rid of (17th for example).

129 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 6:47:17am

re: #123 Killgore Trout

I’m also seeing a lot of talk for conservatives these days that Keynesian economics has failed and is now dead. That’s like claiming gravity no longer applies. It’s insanity.

Keynsian economy is based on the notion that even a sound economy has periods of contraction, and the government has an interest in intervening to ease the social effects of the business cycle.

Problem right now is that the economy is so broken that the Keynian model is hardly applicable. The collapse of Greece and the near collapse of the euro showed that.

Europe is faced with the unpleasant necessity of consolidating and cutting government spending so that the overall economy remains stable enough for Keynian principles to become applicable again.

130 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 6:48:47am

That was a quaint typo (no caffiene yet today) but not intended as a sekrit dig on Obama’s Kenyan origins…

131 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 6:49:34am

re: #123 Killgore Trout

The problem is that they’ve adopted an originalist interpretation of the Constitution. They can read it all day long but they can’t interpret it in a real world way. There are no “originalists” on the Supreme Court and there probably never has been. It’s a quack philosophy.
The Tea Parties are also very interested in history but they are using Glenn Beck’s Birch Society revised history. They are on a completely different planet.
I’m also seeing a lot of talk for conservatives these days that Keynesian economics has failed and is now dead. That’s like claiming gravity no longer applies. It’s insanity.

The Tea Parties are a quack movement of conspiracies and bad ideas. Like the LaRouche crowd or the Birch society they may survive but they will never develop worthwhile practical ideas that will work in the real world.

The article in fact makes your point further one:

They go beyond reenactments of Patrick Henry’s “Give me liberty” speech or public readings of the Declaration of Independence. Groups distributed pocket-sized copies of the Constitution and advertised 12-week classes they’ve organized to study it. They also promoted weekly book clubs, where they are reading such titles as “Capitalism and Freedom,” economist Milton Friedman’s manifesto on free markets, and “The Five Thousand Year Leap,” in which anti-communist W. Cleon Skousen asserts that the United States is a Christian nation whose founders were guided by the Bible.

The one in italics is a reputable book that makes a good case, the bolded one is Bircher claptrap.

132 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 6:50:09am

re: #129 ralphieboy

Keynsian economy is based on the notion that even a sound economy has periods of contraction, and the government has an interest in intervening to ease the social effects of the business cycle.

Problem right now is that the economy is so broken that the Keynian model is hardly applicable. The collapse of Greece and the near collapse of the euro showed that.

Europe is faced with the unpleasant necessity of consolidating and cutting government spending so that the overall economy remains stable enough for Keynian principles to become applicable again.

This is like saying that my car is so broken the laws of physics are no longer applicable. Keynes constructed a model, called the “general theory” that really is the economic equivalent of newton’s laws.

You may not like the particular implementation, but the general theory is very sound.

133 Varek Raith  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 6:53:42am

re: #132 Fozzie Bear

This is like saying that my car is so broken the laws of physics are no longer applicable.

You underestimate the power of the Darkside of the Force.

134 Taqyia2Me  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 6:56:00am

Can any agreement be found here that it is not a good idea to offer free gas cards as an enticement to those enrolling in a state Medicaid program?

135 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 6:57:16am

re: #134 Taqyia2Me

Can any agreement be found here that it is not a good idea to offer free gas cards as an enticement to those enrolling in a state Medicaid program?

That’s just a retarded idea. Do you have a link? I haven’t heard of this.

136 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 6:58:06am

re: #132 Fozzie Bear

This is like saying that my car is so broken the laws of physics are no longer applicable. Keynes constructed a model, called the “general theory” that really is the economic equivalent of newton’s laws.

You may not like the particular implementation, but the general theory is very sound.

What I think he means is that there are places in the Western world like Greece where the Keynes model no longer works because thew economy is fundamentally unsound. In those places, the economic foundations must be shored up by reducing spending. Only after Greece brings order to budget and lives within its means will Keyensian management work.

137 Taqyia2Me  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 6:58:41am

re: #135 Fozzie Bear

That’s just a retarded idea. Do you have a link? I haven’t heard of this.

Blago did it in Illinois. I will get to my desktop and provide a link.

138 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 7:06:33am

re: #136 Dark_Falcon

What I think he means is that there are places in the Western world like Greece where the Keynes model no longer works because thew economy is fundamentally unsound. In those places, the economic foundations must be shored up by reducing spending. Only after Greece brings order to budget and lives within its means will Keyensian management work.

My point is that Keynes’ model is not so simple as “Spend more”. The general theory doesn’t contradict the notion that it’s possible (and common) for governments to spend themselves into oblivion. The math people use to attempt to show that our economy is in trouble due to expansion of the public sector is based on Keynes’ work.

The anti-Keynesian talking points we have been seeing so much of lately are completely off the mark. It’s really about as dumb as arguing that Newton was wrong. I can respect an argument that uses the general theory to show why a government should spend less. An argument that the general theory is wrong is, however, doomed to be based on simplistic misunderstandings of economics.

139 Gang of One  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 7:09:19am

re: #136 Dark_Falcon

Some interesting reading, DF:

There was a series on PBS about the Great Depression some years ago. Remarkably, there were no actual economists interviewed about the causes of the Depression. Instead, pseudo-authorities, like Gore Vidal, and ordinary people from the time were asked what the problem was. They repeated phrases about “overproduction and underconsumption.” Like Herbert Hoover and Franklin Roosevelt themselves, they thought that people simply did not have enough money to buy the output of industry [1]. In a sense that was true, but the program that such a theory evidently called for, raising wages and protecting jobs, which would presumably give people the extra money needed to buy all industrial production, had disastrous results: Unemployment hovered around 20% for a decade, despite all the bells and whistles of the New Deal. Vidal said that Roosevelt “saved capitalism,” but the New Deal did not revive the economy or substantially lower unemployment. Most people are aware of this — otherwise the Depression after 1933 would not still have been the Depression — but acknowledging its implications is avoided [2].

Even today, economics is often still thought of in “underconsumptionist” terms — not often by economists but frequently in politics and in public debate — and the Los Angeles Times still prints articles to the effect that the basic problem of economics is “how to achieve sufficient demand to absorb available production” [3]. In fact, public policies including everything from protective tariffs and “fair trade” to unionism and the minimum wage are based on this principle. These kinds of ideas in the post-World War II world are usually identified with John Maynard Keynes. A biographer of Keynes, Robert Skidelsky, says that Keynes’s “aim was simply to ensure a level of aggregate demand sufficient to enable market-clearing real wages to be established without price inflation” [4].

140 Gang of One  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 7:10:34am

re: #139 Gang of One

Shoot, the link hi-lighting did not go through.
Here it is.

141 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 7:12:10am

re: #138 Fozzie Bear

My point is that Keynes’ model is not so simple as “Spend more”. The general theory doesn’t contradict the notion that it’s possible (and common) for governments to spend themselves into oblivion. The math people use to attempt to show that our economy is in trouble due to expansion of the public sector is based on Keynes’ work.

The anti-Keynesian talking points we have been seeing so much of lately are completely off the mark. It’s really about as dumb as arguing that Newton was wrong. I can respect an argument that uses the general theory to show why a government should spend less. An argument that the general theory is wrong is, however, doomed to be based on simplistic misunderstandings of economics.

I hear you and I understand. I was just trying to point out that it did not seem to me that Ralphieboy was trying to disprove the general theory, he was describing a specific case where Keynes’ recommended policies no longer hold sway because the economy is fundamentally broken. That not true in the US (at least not as whole) nor in Germany, but in places like Greeece and Spain it is true.

142 Taqyia2Me  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 7:12:21am

re: #135 Fozzie Bear

That’s just a retarded idea. Do you have a link? I haven’t heard of this.

Here’s the link, Fozzie:
[Link: cbs2chicago.com…]

143 lawhawk  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 7:15:08am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. It’s gonna be a scorcher here in these parts with temps in the high 90s and 100+ in some areas with plenty of humidity building in - with this heat wave continuing throughout the week. Worst part is that there isn’t rain forecast this week - that will break the temps - and help restore reservoir and river levels that have gone down due to lower than usual rain levels.

144 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 7:16:27am

re: #142 Taqyia2Me

Here’s the link, Fozzie:
[Link: cbs2chicago.com…]

That’s ever bit as dumb as I initially suspected. They could have just used that money to advertise the service, and would have reached a wider audience.

145 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 7:16:46am

re: #136 Dark_Falcon

What I think he means is that there are places in the Western world like Greece where the Keynes model no longer works because thew economy is fundamentally unsound. In those places, the economic foundations must be shored up by reducing spending. Only after Greece brings order to budget and lives within its means will Keyensian management work.


‘tis what I meant: a sound economy will have also periods of contraction in which govrnment intervention cann assist. But if the underlying model is crap, no amount of intervention can save it.

146 HoosierHoops  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 7:17:44am

re: #143 lawhawk

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. It’s gonna be a scorcher here in these parts with temps in the high 90s and 100+ in some areas with plenty of humidity building in - with this heat wave continuing throughout the week. Worst part is that there isn’t rain forecast this week - that will break the temps - and help restore reservoir and river levels that have gone down due to lower than usual rain levels.

Hi You! It’s going to be a hot Indiana Summer day…Hope you are well

147 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 7:19:43am

re: #141 Dark_Falcon

I hear you and I understand. I was just trying to point out that it did not seem to me that Ralphieboy was trying to disprove the general theory, he was describing a specific case where Keynes’ recommended policies no longer hold sway because the economy is fundamentally broken. That not true in the US (at least not as whole) nor in Germany, but in places like Greeece and Spain it is true.

The general theory doesn’t recommend anything. It’s a model. Policy recommendations based on models created using Keynes’ formulae are the only reason we had what little warning we did that Greece was going under. That’s my point.

148 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 7:20:56am

re: #145 ralphieboy

‘tis what I meant: a sound economy will have also periods of contraction in which govrnment intervention cann assist. But if the underlying model is crap, no amount of intervention can save it.

The underlying model is the basis for the study of economics.

149 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 7:21:05am

Kenyesianism remains simply anathema to true Free-market ideologues who reject any notion that the government should intervene in our lives or our economy.

To bring an alalogy, it is like saying that calling for a doctor to help a sick person is an unacceptable interference in the functions of his body.

But that also assumes that the person is healthy enough to recover.

let us not press this analogy to say that I encourage euthanasia or anything, it is just talking about how Keynes’ model is supposed to work.

When and where it can still work.

150 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 7:21:53am

re: #148 Fozzie Bear

The underlying model is the basis for the study of economics.


I meant the underlying economy, not the model of economic theory.

151 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 7:26:00am

Ah ok. Once an currency no longer has the faith of a market backing it, it’s no longer an economy that can be studied using the general theory. The general theory requires functioning markets to even be applicable. This much is true.

But, if you are talking about an economy that hasn’t collapsed, Keynes’ models are mighty predictive.

152 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 7:27:27am

G’Morning for Atlanta where it is a beautiful day outside

Unfortunately, I am inside (at work) for the next 12 hours. So it is your job to entertain and keep me company!

153 SixDegrees  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 7:28:03am

Damn - I’ve achieved some kind of bacon nirvana here. Just pulled the slab out of the smoker and fried up some of the trim pieces, and it is outstanding.

Now comes the hard part - I’ve got a 4 pound slab of solid bacon sitting on the kitchen counter, and the temptation to grab a fork and a steak knife and and start gulping down mouthfuls of the stuff is rising by the minute.

Time to toss the ribs on.

154 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 7:28:27am

re: #151 Fozzie Bear

Ah ok. Once an currency no longer has the faith of a market backing it, it’s no longer an economy that can be studied using the general theory. The general theory requires functioning markets to even be applicable. This much is true.

But, if you are talking about an economy that hasn’t collapsed, Keynes’ models are mighty predictive.

How would we characterize Greece though? It’s currency isn’t being held up by its own economy, but by that of Germany, Denmark, and other sound economies. Without them, Greece would collapse.

155 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 7:30:40am

re: #154 Dark_Falcon

Without them, Greece would collapse.

sounds like a slippery course to me!
/

156 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 7:31:12am

re: #154 Dark_Falcon

How would we characterize Greece though? It’s currency isn’t being held up by its own economy, but by that of Germany, Denmark, and other sound economies. Without them, Greece would collapse.

Greece, to go back to the medical analogy, is like a patient who is addicted to drugs or alcohol, or exposed to life-threatening circumstances : until the addiction is curedor the circumstances changed, no amount of medical intervention is going to do any good.

157 HoosierHoops  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 7:31:40am

re: #152 sattv4u2

G’Morning for Atlanta where it is a beautiful day outside

Unfortunately, I am inside (at work) for the next 12 hours. So it is your job to entertain and keep me company!

Hot day in Indiana…We are doing Holiday groundhog day today…
BBQ, Swimming pool, Loud music, Cold beer…
Feels like yesterday..
/

158 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 7:34:37am

re: #157 HoosierHoops

Hot day in Indiana…We are doing Holiday groundhog day today…
BBQ, Swimming pool, Loud music, Cold beer…
Feels like yesterday..
/

LOL ,,, yeah,, my day was yestreday

Friends have a house on a lake. We went over for BBQ lunch then swinning
Then got in the boat and went across the lake to another house for BBQ dinner. Then got back on the boat and went to another house for dessert and fireworks

As far as I can tell,, the lake party is still going on!

159 HoosierHoops  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 7:41:43am

re: #158 sattv4u2

LOL ,,, yeah,, my day was yestreday

Friends have a house on a lake. We went over for BBQ lunch then swinning
Then got in the boat and went across the lake to another house for BBQ dinner. Then got back on the boat and went to another house for dessert and fireworks

As far as I can tell,, the lake party is still going on!

Sounds like a great time! It’s a hot one today in Indiana…I’m blogging from the deck.. Next week I’ll be blogging from Oklahoma.. I have got to find a place to live there…I understand they have Cox Cable there for internet..

160 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 7:43:32am

re: #159 HoosierHoops

Sounds like a great time! It’s a hot one today in Indiana…I’m blogging from the deck.. Next week I’ll be blogging from Oklahoma.. I have got to find a place to live there…I understand they have Cox Cable there for internet..

Where in OK will you be? We have a big complex in Tulsa (actually used to be our corporate headquarters before a larger entity bought us out)

161 HoosierHoops  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 7:45:55am

re: #160 sattv4u2

Where in OK will you be? We have a big complex in Tulsa (actually used to be our corporate headquarters before a larger entity bought us out)

We are building a GWAN network across the Street from OU in Norman..
Sometime this week I’ll jump in the car and drive there and check out the area.

162 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 7:49:09am

re: #161 HoosierHoops

We are building a GWAN network across the Street from OU in Norman..
Sometime this week I’ll jump in the car and drive there and check out the area.

whole lotta muffin round there (until OU is back in full session, that is)

163 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 7:49:37am

re: #161 HoosierHoops

re: #162 sattv4u2

whole lotta muffin round there (until OU UofO is back in full session, that is)

164 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 7:50:54am

re: #152 sattv4u2

I can tap dance a little… you want some?

165 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 7:52:24am

re: #164 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I can tap dance a little… you want some?

depends

do I get a happy ending?

(meaning ,,, do I see you do a belly flop at the end, huffing and puffing!!)

166 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 7:54:13am

tap tap tap tap tap.. shuffle step.. tap tap tap tap tap
falter
collapse….

You… wheeze… are… pant… welcome…

167 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 7:55:06am

re: #166 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

tap tap tap tap tap.. shuffle step.. tap tap tap tap tap
falter
collapse…

You… wheeze… are… pant… welcome…

hehehe,,, how ya doing today, big guy?

168 HoosierHoops  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 7:55:35am

re: #163 sattv4u2

re: #162 sattv4u2

Soon I will be living in a College town..I have no issues with this…
This next year should be fun..It will be my pleasure to share it with you Lizards

169 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 8:00:02am

re: #167 sattv4u2

Slept on a screened in porch last night at a friend’s cabin. Was fantastic.

I think it got into the high 50’s. I had blankets… it was awesome!

170 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 8:00:10am

re: #168 HoosierHoops

Soon I will be living in a College town..I have no issues with this…
This next year should be fun..It will be my pleasure to share it with you Lizards

Lucky you!

I have the ocular pleasure of driving through the Emory University campus on my way to work

SPRING + COEDS = increased chances of rear end collisions!

171 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 8:01:36am

re: #169 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Slept on a screened in porch last night at a friend’s cabin. Was fantastic.

I think it got into the high 50’s. I had blankets… it was awesome!

damn ,,, I was invited to stay over at my friends lake house (my son did) but seeing I had to get up this morning and get ready for work it wasn’t feasable

On the bright side, we leave for the beach on Thursday !!

172 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 8:02:21am

re: #170 sattv4u2

Lucky you!

I have the ocular pleasure of driving through the Emory University campus on my way to work

SPRING + COEDS = increased chances of rear end collisions!

Rear Ended while staring at rear ends.

/in bed.

173 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 8:04:32am

re: #172 Dark_Falcon

Rear Ended while staring at rear ends.

/in bed.

and the front ends are equally distracting!

174 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 8:06:26am

Tea Partiers fail history (again)
Of Tea and Taxes: Understanding the Boston Tea Party


The Boston Tea Party does resonate with today’s debates about bailouts and deficit spending. The lessons here, though, are not about taxes but about how fights over taxes stand in for deeper political fissures: In the 1700s over the right to self-government, now over whom government should help and whom it should punish. To get to these lessons, it helps to know that the law that precipitated that tea dumping in Boston harbor was a tax cut.

Far from the onerous tax increase that most Americans assume it was, the Tea Act of 1773 was part of what we might think of as an economic stimulus program — an aggressive effort to keep afloat the struggling British East India Company by cutting taxes and regulations.

Heh.

175 HoosierHoops  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 8:07:05am

re: #170 sattv4u2

Lucky you!

I have the ocular pleasure of driving through the Emory University campus on my way to work

SPRING + COEDS = increased chances of rear end collisions!

I’m looking forward to moving from Indiana.. Although I’m moving to Oklahoma and living in the South for the first time of my life…I love new adventures in Life… I am slotted to move to Singapore next Summer..

176 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 8:10:50am

re: #175 HoosierHoops

I’m looking forward to moving from Indiana.. Although I’m moving to Oklahoma and living in the South for the first time of my life…I love new adventures in Life… I am slotted to move to Singapore next Summer..

I’ve lived in the “south” for 13 out of the last 14 years. We were nervous at 1st, but we love it here now

Not too familiar with the Norman area (been through there twice, never for more than a day or so) As stated, I’m more familiar with Tulsa (been there a dozen or so times). Norman’s not too far from OK City if you need “big”ger city amenities for a night or so

177 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 8:17:30am

re: #174 Killgore Trout

Tea Partiers fail history (again)
Of Tea and Taxes: Understanding the Boston Tea Party

Heh.

Geeze, I never knew the history of the Tea Act before now. Tanks, Killgore.

178 HoosierHoops  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 8:20:24am

re: #176 sattv4u2

I’ve lived in the “south” for 13 out of the last 14 years. We were nervous at 1st, but we love it here now

Not too familiar with the Norman area (been through there twice, never for more than a day or so) As stated, I’m more familiar with Tulsa (been there a dozen or so times). Norman’s not too far from OK City if you need “big”ger city amenities for a night or so

I’ve never lived in the south..I go forward with eyes wide open…
Should be fun…I’ll be posting from a hotel there very soon.. Not exactly sure what day this week I’ll just jump in the car and drive there…Poor Winston..He thinks we are going to Starbucks for fruit and a Latte..
WTF? 750 miles later..What are you freaking doing? Stop more often!
I swear I’ll poop in the car..Try me..Stop the dang car! Why am I not getting a warm and fuzzy feeling with this road trip?
Poor Winston..LOL

179 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 8:23:02am

re: #174 Killgore Trout

High taxes were stifling sales.

geee ,, sound faliniar?

higher taxes, lower sales
lower sales, less replacement products needed
less replacement products needed, less products produced
less products produced, less work force needed
less work force needed, more layoffs and unemployment

Well ,,as long as Obama doesn’t tax those making under $250K, everything will be hunkey dorey!!
TAX THOSE EEBIL CORPORATIONS!!

{sigh}

180 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 8:23:12am

re: #177 Dark_Falcon

Geeze, I never knew the history of the Tea Act before now. Tanks, Killgore.

Yeah, it’s new to me too.

181 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 8:25:42am

re: #178 HoosierHoops

I’ve never lived in the south..I go forward with eyes wide open…
Should be fun…I’ll be posting from a hotel there very soon.. Not exactly sure what day this week I’ll just jump in the car and drive there…Poor Winston..He thinks we are going to Starbucks for fruit and a Latte..
WTF? 750 miles later..What are you freaking doing? Stop more often!
I swear I’ll poop in the car..Try me..Stop the dang car! Why am I not getting a warm and fuzzy feeling with this road trip?
Poor Winston..LOL

He’ll be fine. When we moved from Boston to Atlanta, I drove down here myself a few months before my wife and son came down. A week before they flew in, we had our dog (at the time, since passed) flown down. You should have seen the look ion his face when I picked him up at the airport

182 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 8:26:57am

re: #169 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Slept on a screened in porch last night at a friend’s cabin. Was fantastic.

I think it got into the high 50’s. I had blankets… it was awesome!

That’s as close as I ever want to get to nature, btw…

183 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 8:29:27am

re: #182 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

That’s as close as I ever want to get to nature, btw…

Oh ,, trust me,,, me too

When my son was younger he was in scouts for a couple of years. Did the obligatory camping trip with him. 100% roughing it

YEECCHH

“Roughing it” to me means staying in a quality hotel and there’s no room service after midnight!

184 DaddyG  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 8:40:20am

re: #152 sattv4u2

G’Morning for Atlanta where it is a beautiful day outside

Unfortunately, I am inside (at work) for the next 12 hours. So it is your job to entertain and keep me company!

Me too. Wasn’t quite ready to come back. The Feds have the day off so they cancelled my bus route. I had to find an alternate route.

Then to cap it off the poor guy behind me tranferring to MARTA couldn’t get his transfer card to work so he tried to place his hand over the sensor on the other side of the gate. Of course the nowhere to be found MARTA employee and a security guard jumped out of the office and accosted the guy. The security guard actually threatened to arrest him. I jumped in and told them off. Those cards hardly ever work right and the employees won’t help anyone. Of course they were ready to threaten the guy for trying to make his train with a pass that he paid for.

After telling the guard off I told the woman working there if she would come out and help customers instead of hanging out in the office behiind the two way mirror she would fine fewer people trying to solve the problem themselves.

Grrr…. They really need to straighten up.

185 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 8:41:04am

I drove two cats 300 miles across Pennsylvania in weather like today (85 F and muggy) about three years ago. Despite applying cat tranquilizers to both kitties I got to see the greatest feline freakout I’ve ever seen. Basically an overheated cat got carsick and completely lost it — as in “LET ME OUT OF THIS CAR RIGHT NOW!”

Happened on the PA Turnpike, and luckily there was a very wide pull-off right there. Had the cat on leads as a safety precaution and thus was willing to open the door, hold the cat, and lean him out the door so that he finished vomiting outside rather than on me. He was also yowling and foaming at the mouth (literally) while all this was going on.

Cat then struggled and jumped down. He tried to go under the car, but the lead pulled him up short. So he turned to run away from the car. Right then a semi went by 30 yards away - jake braking. The cat turned and jumped back into the car.

I spent the next half hour cooling off the cats using a bandanna dipped in cool water (wiping down their ears and faces), cleaning up myself and the car, and arranging a spot for the cats that the A/C blasted cooler air on. (Since their previous spot was apparently not cool enough.)

The rest of the trip was anti-climactic from there. The cat that got sick was completely wiped out and basically just complained now and then. The other cat was completely zonked from the tranquilizer and basically moved and meowed at 1/4 speed the entire trip.

Have dealt with moving cats via car 3-4 times. And hot weather is essentially dangerous for them since they easily overheat in a car.

186 HoosierHoops  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 8:42:51am

re: #181 sattv4u2

He’ll be fine. When we moved from Boston to Atlanta, I drove down here myself a few months before my wife and son came down. A week before they flew in, we had our dog (at the time, since passed) flown down. You should have seen the look ion his face when I picked him up at the airport

I never had a pet in my Life..Having little Winston dumped on me has been a pure joy..I just love having a dog…
We did a doggie play date with a Lady I met last week and her little dog..
Did you know what Winston did? He started prancing around with his head held high with his tail high in the air..
It was so embarrassing..
Winston..Stop effen prancing..Are you gay Winston? Stop prancing!
I had my friend laughing..Hoopster..He is not gay! Maggie is a girl dog!
But..He is like acting gay! I mean I still love my little boy..But..But..
Winston! Stop prancing around..We are in Public!
I love my little prancing dog….( I think he is gay )
LOL

187 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 8:43:33am

re: #184 DaddyG

I’ve only dealt with MARTA a few times since I’ve been in Atlanta (coming back from a business trip taking it from the airport to Lindburgh)

It was fair, at best

When I was in Boston I used the “T” (Bostons public transportation system) all the time. It wasn’t super, but it was more frequent and serviced a much larger area than MARTA does

188 DaddyG  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 8:44:34am

re: #185 oaktree

This is why cats should only travel by slingshot. /

189 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 8:45:31am

I’m out for a time. BBL

190 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 8:46:59am

re: #186 HoosierHoops

Winston..Stop effen prancing..Are you gay Winston? Stop prancing!

They say a dog takes on the personality of it’s owner!

just sayin!
//

191 DaddyG  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 8:47:24am

re: #187 sattv4u2

I’ve only dealt with MARTA a few times since I’ve been in Atlanta (coming back from a business trip taking it from the airport to Lindburgh)

It was fair, at best

When I was in Boston I used the “T” (Bostons public transportation system) all the time. It wasn’t super, but it was more frequent and serviced a much larger area than MARTA does


The routes are pretty good for getting around downtown and the Airport. We need more connections and a NW corridor.

The biggest problem with MARTA is mismanagement and the downright crappy attitudes of some of their employees. This wasn’t the first time I’d seen the employees at the Civic Center station pull the “spring out of the back room to catch people with defective passes” stunt but it was the first time I’ve heard a guard threaten arrest. That was over the top and I told him so.

192 DaddyG  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 8:48:49am

We’re fostering a very happy and active dog named Jackson. He’s from the vet that my daughter is working at. He needs a home but we’ve already got two dogs and four cats to care for. That’s enough.

193 HoosierHoops  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 8:49:02am

re: #190 sattv4u2

Winston..Stop effen prancing..Are you gay Winston? Stop prancing!

They say a dog takes on the personality of it’s owner!

just sayin!
//

I do not believe in prancing!
/

194 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 8:50:13am

re: #192 DaddyG

We’re fostering a very happy and active dog named Jackson. He’s from the vet that my daughter is working at. He needs a home but we’ve already got two dogs and four cats to care for. That’s enough.

What breed? We’ve got two dogs, both from shelters. We have also fostered several, all of which have been adopted

195 jaunte  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 8:50:55am

re: #185 oaktree

I had a similar experience one summer, driving my daughter and her two cats from New Mexico to Houston. One of the cats, in his container, exploded from both ends inside the (poorly air conditioned) U-Haul truck cab. No AC from there on, just the summer breeze. In the desert 75 miles east of El Paso, we first had to find a leash, then a place to wash a cat (100 miles on). I don’t think I’ve ever seen a cat look more defeated by the time we got him cleaned off.

196 DaddyG  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 8:53:04am

I’m not sure of the breed (mixed somethingorother) Jackson Needs A Home Here is a link to some photos.

He’s pretty active and is great with the other dogs and cats.

197 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 8:54:01am

re: #196 DaddyG

I’m not sure of the breed (mixed somethingorother) Jackson Needs A Home Here is a link to some photos.

He’s pretty active and is great with the other dogs and cats.

K, ,, I don’t have a facebook account, but I saved the link and will have my son look at it

198 lostlakehiker  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 8:54:07am

re: #141 Dark_Falcon

I hear you and I understand. I was just trying to point out that it did not seem to me that Ralphieboy was trying to disprove the general theory, he was describing a specific case where Keynes’ recommended policies no longer hold sway because the economy is fundamentally broken. That not true in the US (at least not as whole) nor in Germany, but in places like Greeece and Spain it is true.

A fundamentally broken economy is one in which the market signals push investment into unproductive efforts. When you spend scarce kwH’s, tons of steel and coal, oil, pipefitter manhours, and so forth, making things that don’t give a return commensurate to the effort, and you think it’s working so you do more of the same, you’re in trouble.

One example of how this can work is when the best way to get resources is to win an election and then crow “to the victor go the spoils” and cash in. Naturally, both sides spend freely on their campaigns. But from the perspective of the nation as a whole, all campaign spending is waste.

Another example is when subsidies distort markets. If there’s a subsidy for, say, cheese, then dairy farmers will produce more cheese than people want. It ends up in school lunches, then thrown away, or it gets put in storage, where it slowly degrades. Again, big effort in, not enough results out.

Another example is when inflation distorts markets. In some inflationary situations, everybody thinks they’re making a profit, because the price they paid for their inputs is much less than the price they receive for their outputs. It takes a while for the realization to set in that the inputs were paid for in “July” dollars, and the revenues were received in “October” dollars, and that after factoring in inflation, revenues were less than expenses.

Spain has been putting a ton of money into solar energy. Solar is a great idea but right now it’s not a great investment. Money spent on today’s solar technology does not return enough in the form of energy to justify the expense, unless you count “moving up the learning curve” as part of the return. Trouble is, you can move up the learning curve without spending as heavily as Spain.

The next generation of solar, or the next after that, will be the right time to spend trillions on the technology.

199 DaddyG  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 8:54:57am

re: #197 sattv4u2

K, ,, I don’t have a facebook account, but I saved the link and will have my son look at it


I made those photos public- sorry I didn’t know you had to sign in.

200 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 8:55:52am

re: #199 DaddyG

I made those photos public- sorry I didn’t know you had to sign in.

n/p

201 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 9:00:14am

I swear if I hear one more BP commercial on my radio I’m gonna snap. I get it.

202 lostlakehiker  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 9:02:34am

re: #185 oaktree

I drove two cats 300 miles across Pennsylvania in weather like today (85 F and muggy) about three years ago. Despite applying cat tranquilizers to both kitties I got to see the greatest feline freakout I’ve ever seen. Basically an overheated cat got carsick and completely lost it — as in “LET ME OUT OF THIS CAR RIGHT NOW!”

Happened on the PA Turnpike, and luckily there was a very wide pull-off right there. Had the cat on leads as a safety precaution and thus was willing to open the door, hold the cat, and lean him out the door so that he finished vomiting outside rather than on me. He was also yowling and foaming at the mouth (literally) while all this was going on.

Cat then struggled and jumped down. He tried to go under the car, but the lead pulled him up short. So he turned to run away from the car. Right then a semi went by 30 yards away - jake braking. The cat turned and jumped back into the car.

I spent the next half hour cooling off the cats using a bandanna dipped in cool water (wiping down their ears and faces), cleaning up myself and the car, and arranging a spot for the cats that the A/C blasted cooler air on. (Since their previous spot was apparently not cool enough.)

The rest of the trip was anti-climactic from there. The cat that got sick was completely wiped out and basically just complained now and then. The other cat was completely zonked from the tranquilizer and basically moved and meowed at 1/4 speed the entire trip.

Have dealt with moving cats via car 3-4 times. And hot weather is essentially dangerous for them since they easily overheat in a car.

We humans are actually amazing animals when it comes to heat tolerance. We are unrivaled. We can go, and go, and not overheat, when all around us the other mammals are dropping like flies.

Being essentially fur-less, and covered all over with eccrine sweat glands, as long as the relative humidity is well short of dew point, as long as we can stay hydrated, and as long as there’s a breeze, we’re cool. 85, 95, 105, 115? Meh.

Our feline friends, and the rest of the mammals, mostly can’t do that trick. What’s easy for us is deadly for them.

203 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 9:08:57am

re: #202 lostlakehiker

We humans are actually amazing animals when it comes to heat tolerance. We are unrivaled. We can go, and go, and not overheat, when all around us the other mammals are dropping like flies.

Being essentially fur-less, and covered all over with eccrine sweat glands, as long as the relative humidity is well short of dew point, as long as we can stay hydrated, and as long as there’s a breeze, we’re cool. 85, 95, 105, 115? Meh.

Our feline friends, and the rest of the mammals, mostly can’t do that trick. What’s easy for us is deadly for them.

Which explains why the only thing usually out in the sun are mad dogs and Englishmen! ;)

204 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 9:09:02am

I didn’t know Petey had escaped until I saw him in the fucking cat’s mouth. I gave chase but stopped when my left little piggy smacked into the doorjamb. The fucking cat dropped the fucking hamster when he heard me scream. Little fucking furry bastard is okay but my toe is a vivid purple and broken.

205 DaddyG  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 9:09:22am

re: #202 lostlakehiker

Our feline friends, and the rest of the mammals, mostly can’t do that trick. What’s easy for us is deadly for them.

Try cleaning your butt with your tongue monkey boy! /

206 prairiefire  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 9:09:32am

re: #183 sattv4u2

I agree! Always fold back the hotel’s top comforter as far off the bed as you can. They never wash those things. Always keep your slippers by the bed to walk around the room as the carpets are usually dirty. Ok, did I earn my Marriott Suites badge?

207 Four More Tears  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 9:10:36am

re: #202 lostlakehiker

We humans are actually amazing animals when it comes to heat tolerance. We are unrivaled. We can go, and go, and not overheat, when all around us the other mammals are dropping like flies.

Being essentially fur-less, and covered all over with eccrine sweat glands, as long as the relative humidity is well short of dew point, as long as we can stay hydrated, and as long as there’s a breeze, we’re cool. 85, 95, 105, 115? Meh.

Our feline friends, and the rest of the mammals, mostly can’t do that trick. What’s easy for us is deadly for them.

Yeah, we evolved for the long run. Literally. Not the fastest species, but while they’re huffing and puffing, a human can still be on the move. Awesome species we are. No disrespect to non-humans. :)

208 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 9:11:21am

re: #204 MandyManners

I didn’t know Petey had escaped until I saw him in the fucking cat’s mouth. I gave chase but stopped when my left little piggy smacked into the doorjamb. The fucking cat dropped the fucking hamster when he heard me scream. Little fucking furry bastard is okay but my toe is a vivid purple and broken.

Petey ,,,the other white meat!
/

209 ReamWorks SKG  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 9:12:47am

re: #205 DaddyG

I have to wipe my kitty Betty’s fanny. She doesn’t do a good job by herself. Every few days, I need to remove “klingons.”

So not all cats excel at this, either.

210 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 9:12:56am

re: #205 DaddyG

Try cleaning your butt with your tongue monkey boy! /

My brother (a college science prof) usually gives one of his intro classes some water sample collection containers and has them get 3-4 samples of water from different locations for analysis.

A pet “Drinkwell” sample came up with e. coli in it due to pet cleaning habits. Water from the urinal in the bathroom down the hall came out relatively clean. Sort of like analysis showing sidewalks with lower bacteria counts than kitchen floors. Surface composition, exposure to sunlight, and what traffics through there are simply interesting in how they affect things like this.

211 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 9:14:02am

re: #199 DaddyG

I made those photos public- sorry I didn’t know you had to sign in.

Can’t see the photo even with a FB account. YOu must have your FB information well protected.

212 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 9:14:12am

re: #208 sattv4u2

Petey ,,,the other white meat!
/

Mandy’s toe. The other purple meat!!

213 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 9:15:29am

re: #208 sattv4u2

Petey ,,,the other white meat!
/

The cat certainly thought so.

214 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 9:15:49am

re: #212 Cannadian Club Akbar

Mandy’s toe. The other purple meat!!

You’re sick.

215 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 9:16:41am

re: #212 Cannadian Club Akbar

Mandy’s toe. The other purple meat!!

Ceiling Cat’s punishment for interfering with a feline overlord engaged in the sport of rodent pursuit.

216 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 9:16:47am

re: #214 MandyManners

You’re sick.

No, I’m funny.

217 Varek Raith  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 9:17:16am

re: #214 MandyManners

You’re sick.

What do you expect from a Polish Canadian Floridian?
Or something.

218 DaddyG  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 9:17:18am

re: #201 Cannadian Club Akbar

I swear if I hear one more BP commercial on my radio I’m gonna snap. I get it.

219 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 9:18:29am

re: #217 Varek Raith

What do you expect from a Polish Canadian Floridian?
Or something.

Well played.

220 DaddyG  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 9:19:29am

re: #210 oaktree

My brother (a college science prof) usually gives one of his intro classes some water sample collection containers and has them get 3-4 samples of water from different locations for analysis.

A pet “Drinkwell” sample came up with e. coli in it due to pet cleaning habits. Water from the urinal in the bathroom down the hall came out relatively clean. Sort of like analysis showing sidewalks with lower bacteria counts than kitchen floors. Surface composition, exposure to sunlight, and what traffics through there are simply interesting in how they affect things like this.


I saw the results of a study on free bowls of peanuts in bars one time. The e. coli levels were frightening. It seems bar patrons has some bad hygene issues too.

221 DaddyG  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 9:20:44am

re: #211 reine.de.tout

Can’t see the photo even with a FB account. YOu must have your FB information well protected.


Friends only- but I tried to make Jacksons pictures public. Oh well. I’m not willing to take down the shields completely- sorry gang.

222 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 9:21:08am

re: #220 DaddyG

I saw the results of a study on free bowls of peanuts in bars one time. The e. coli levels were frightening. It seems bar patrons has some bad hygene issues too.


but the alcohol neutralizes it !!

223 Varek Raith  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 9:21:48am

re: #218 DaddyG

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224 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 9:22:02am

re: #220 DaddyG

I saw the results of a study on free bowls of peanuts in bars one time. The e. coli levels were frightening. It seems bar patrons has some bad hygene issues too.

I wonder what kind of bacteria are on serving utensils at commercial buffets.

225 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 9:22:14am

Sore back. BBL tonight.

226 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 9:24:36am

re: #225 Cannadian Club Akbar

Sore back. BBL tonight.

“I have a weak back”
“How long have you had it?
“Oh, about a week back!”


(The Three Stooges were big influences in my development!)

227 Varek Raith  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 9:25:12am

Slow internet is slow!
Sigh…

228 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 9:25:40am

re: #227 Varek Raith

Slow internet is slow!
Sigh…

Si!

229 jaunte  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 9:26:12am

re: #224 MandyManners

I wonder what kind of bacteria are on serving utensils at commercial buffets.

You can pick up Liszteria from playing public pianos.

230 DaddyG  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 9:26:36am

re: #224 MandyManners

I wonder what kind of bacteria are on serving utensils at commercial buffets.

Grilled, fried and cajun blackened! /

231 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 9:27:01am

re: #229 jaunte

You can pick up Liszteria from playing public pianos.

Yeah, well you can hurt your Bach moving private ones.

232 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 9:27:02am

re: #229 jaunte

You can pick up Liszteria from playing public pianos.

You’ve just been Chopin at the bit to use that!

233 DaddyG  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 9:27:33am

re: #229 jaunte

You can pick up Liszteria from playing public pianos.


How long did it take you to compose that line?

234 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 9:27:45am

re: #229 jaunte

You can pick up Liszteria from playing public pianos.

The puns are bach.

235 jaunte  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 9:27:54am

re: #233 DaddyG

Only a minuet.

236 DaddyG  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 9:28:35am

re: #234 MandyManners

The puns are bach.

The langugage is getting Mahlered.

237 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 9:28:38am

re: #230 DaddyG

Grilled, fried and cajun blackened! /

I’d rather crawl across broken glass than eat at a commercial buffet.

238 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 9:29:22am

re: #237 MandyManners

I’d rather crawl across broken glass than eat at a commercial buffet.

I try to stay away from places that have too much broken glass on the floor!

239 DaddyG  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 9:30:08am

re: #237 MandyManners

I’d rather crawl across broken glass than eat at a commercial buffet.


Its probably safer. We rarely eat out any more for budget reasons, but I’m also getting gastro intestinal distress far less now that we cook and eat at home more.

240 DaddyG  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 9:31:02am

re: #238 sattv4u2

I try to stay away from places that have too much broken glass on the floor!

Sometimes you have to in order to catch the Good ‘Ol Blues Brothers Boys Band.

241 Nimed  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 9:45:44am

re: #207 JasonA

Yeah, we evolved for the long run. Literally. Not the fastest species, but while they’re huffing and puffing, a human can still be on the move. Awesome species we are. No disrespect to non-humans. :)

I always thought of ourselves as the nerds of the animal kingdom.

242 DaddyG  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 9:51:55am
In fact, all 5 of the comics we sent to the CG for grading have received the “White Pages” comment — a happy effect of having been stored for 40 years in a tightly sealed wooden box in a dry climate.

There is a Michael Jackson joke in there somewhere.

243 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 9:54:03am

Responding to a lawsuit over a U.S. Justice Department report on the lawyers who wrote the so-called torture memos, the government said last week that blacked-out passages in the report should remain confidential in the interest of national security and the privacy of government lawyers.

In January, the American Civil Liberties Union sued the Justice Department in federal district court in Washington to obtain a copy of the report, which was prepared by the department’s Office of Professional Responsibility. The House Judiciary Committee released a redacted copy on Feb. 19 — a few days before the department’s deadline to respond to the ACLU suit.

The report examines possible professional misconduct by lawyers in the department’s Office of Legal Counsel who, during the Bush administration, provided advice on the legality of enhanced interrogation techniques that CIA officers used on suspected terrorists. The report cleared Justice attorneys John Yoo and Jay Bybee of any ethical wrongdoing.

The ACLU did not drop the suit after the House’s publication. ACLU lawyers want the government to make public more information from the report. Among other things, they want names of Justice personnel, their legal analysis and communications among government lawyers.

SNIP

244 lostlakehiker  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 9:57:27am

re: #204 MandyManners

I didn’t know Petey had escaped until I saw him in the fucking cat’s mouth. I gave chase but stopped when my left little piggy smacked into the doorjamb. The fucking cat dropped the fucking hamster when he heard me scream. Little fucking furry bastard is okay but my toe is a vivid purple and broken.

Buddy tape the toe. Some sort of medically appropriate tape, binding the toe to the next one in. Also, if you have a pair of shoes you can sacrifice, cut out a space for the injured toe so that it doesn’t get crunched.

And then, avoid banging it again for the next few months.

245 ReamWorks SKG  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 9:57:53am

Horrible news story:

[Link: www.thonline.com…]

“Holiday parade turns into a nightmare as runaway horses stampede through crowd, killing a woman and hospitalizing 23 people, mostly kids”

246 lostlakehiker  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 9:59:04am

re: #173 sattv4u2

and the front ends are equally distracting!

There’s a joke here somewhere about coming and going.

If only I had a dirty enough mind.
/Sarah Silverman

247 Nimed  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 10:01:31am

Chinese court sentences US geologist to 8 years

An American geologist held and tortured by China’s state security agents was sentenced to eight years in prison Monday for gathering data on the Chinese oil industry in a case that highlights the government’s use of vague secrets laws to restrict business information.

In pronouncing Xue Feng guilty of spying and collecting state secrets, the Beijing No. 1 Intermediate People’s Court said his actions “endangered our country’s national security.” … Agents from China’s internal security agency detained Xue in November 2007 and tortured him, stubbing lit cigarettes into his arms in the early days of his detention.

248 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 10:01:44am

re: #244 lostlakehiker

Buddy tape the toe. Some sort of medically appropriate tape, binding the toe to the next one in. Also, if you have a pair of shoes you can sacrifice, cut out a space for the injured toe so that it doesn’t get crunched.

And then, avoid banging it again for the next few months.

Done. This is the second toe I’ve broken this spring/summer. The first happened when I dropped a steel fan on it.

249 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 10:02:40am

The racist Eurofascists at Gates of Vienna are contributors form the Andrew Brietbart’s Big Peace site.

250 Kronocide  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 10:06:05am

re: #249 Killgore Trout

The racist Eurofascists at Gates of Vienna are contributors form the Andrew Brietbart’s Big Peace site.

I’m sure you sent that to CJ, yah?

251 wrenchwench  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 10:06:32am

re: #249 Killgore Trout

The racist Eurofascists at Gates of Vienna are contributors form the Andrew Brietbart’s Big Peace site.

The low meet the lower.

Not sure which is which. Breitbart’s banking on the rising acceptability of racism.

252 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 10:12:58am
253 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 10:13:23am

re: #249 Killgore Trout

The racist Eurofascists at Gates of Vienna are contributors form the Andrew Brietbart’s Big Peace site.

I don’t get it. They hate Muslims yet the war in Afghanistan is kicking Islamist ass.

254 changomo  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 10:16:22am

Charles: What is your most valuable comic so far?

Cheers

255 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 10:19:46am

re: #254 changomo

Charles: What is your most valuable comic so far?

Cheers

you???

Registered since: Jan 6, 2009 at 6:45 pm
No. of comments posted: 37

Karma: -90


oh ,, no ,, wait ,, your his most valuable JOKE!!

256 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 10:21:00am

re: #252 Killgore Trout

Robert Spencer Visits Swedish Nazis

Robert Spencer has stopped pretending now, although he still repeats his usual excuses like a parrot when challenged. Nobody challenges him any more, though, because he’s recognized as a fringe hater, just like Pamela Geller.

257 Four More Tears  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 10:25:28am

re: #255 sattv4u2

you???

Registered since: Jan 6, 2009 at 6:45 pm
No. of comments posted: 37

Karma: -90

oh ,, no ,, wait ,, your his most valuable JOKE!!

Eh… give the guy a break. I glanced at his comments and there was nothing too horrible there. He stuck up for the kids wearing American flag T-shirts on Cinco de Mayo. So did I. Perhaps more tactfully, but still.

258 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 10:26:07am

re: #257 JasonA

Eh… give the guy a break. I glanced at his comments and there was nothing too horrible there. He stuck up for the kids wearing American flag T-shirts on Cinco de Mayo. So did I. Perhaps more tactfully, but still.

k ,, sorry ,, knee jerk on my part

I’ll have a wait and see attitude!

259 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 10:27:46am

re: #257 JasonA


I glanced at his comments and there was nothing too horrible there.


re: #255 sattv4u2

you???

Registered since: Jan 6, 2009 at 6:45 pm
No. of comments posted: 37

Karma: -90

oh ,, no ,, wait ,, your his most valuable JOKE!!

Although the #of comments in the time frame along with the neg karma gives me pause!

260 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 10:29:34am

re: #256 Charles

Robert Spencer has stopped pretending now, although he still repeats his usual excuses like a parrot when challenged. Nobody challenges him any more, though, because he’s recognized as a fringe hater, just like Pamela Geller.

It’s an interesting way to celebrate July 4th but I suppose he has his priorities. I think SD is celebrating some sort of electoral victory and they roughed up a bishop.

261 Four More Tears  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 10:29:43am

re: #259 sattv4u2

I glanced at his comments and there was nothing too horrible there.

re: #255 sattv4u2

Although the #of comments in the time frame along with the neg karma gives me pause!

So look at the comments and see if you think your comment was warranted. If you stand by your words so be it. No hard feelings. But a couple of data points shouldn’t be enough to point and laugh at someone, imho.

262 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 10:31:34am

re: #254 changomo

Charles: What is your most valuable comic so far?

Cheers

Hard to tell until they’re graded by the CGC. But we do have quite a few valuable ones according to the Overstreet Guide.

263 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 10:31:37am

re: #260 Killgore Trout

It’s an interesting way to celebrate July 4th but I suppose he has his priorities. I think SD is celebrating some sort of electoral victory and they roughed up a bishop.

What is that link? All I got is a huge page of Google stuff.

264 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 10:32:27am

re: #260 Killgore Trout

It’s an interesting way to celebrate July 4th but I suppose he has his priorities. I think SD is celebrating some sort of electoral victory and they roughed up a bishop.

is that what you kids are calling it nowadays!

//

(disgusting, by the way,,, wonder what Swedens version of assault and battery is,, and did they get cgarged with it , and if not, why not))

265 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 10:32:44am

re: #260 Killgore Trout

It’s an interesting way to celebrate July 4th but I suppose he has his priorities. I think SD is celebrating some sort of electoral victory and they roughed up a bishop.

Heh. Check out this Google search:

[Link: www.google.com…]

266 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 10:37:57am

re: #265 Charles

Heh. Check out this Google search:

[Link: www.google.com…]

That’s so cool!

267 Varek Raith  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 10:38:42am

re: #266 Killgore Trout

That’s so cool!

SUPER FORCE KT, GO!

268 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 10:39:31am

re: #263 MandyManners

What is that link? All I got is a huge page of Google stuff.

It’s supposed to be an autotranslation. Swedish doesn’t translate very well.

269 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 10:40:31am

re: #267 Varek Raith

SUPER FORCE KT, GO!

My coolness doesn’t effect google rankings. That’s Charles’ wicked code writing skills.

270 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 10:43:02am

Here’s what the rally was about

I think the other parties are cooperating to block SD from parliament.

271 albusteve  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 10:43:09am

whoa!….good news for a change!

Judges rule Obama can’t close Yucca Mountain nuclear dump

Three administrative judges within the Nuclear Regulatory Commission ruled last week that Congress had designated Yucca Mountain in 1987 to receive highly toxic waste from the Savannah River Site on the S.C.-Georgia border and other complexes that built atom bombs during the Cold War.

The panel found that President Barack Obama and Department of Energy Secretary Steven Chu, a nuclear physicist, lacked the power to close the Yucca repository unilaterally; doing so, it ruled, would require another act of Congress.

BO, Chu, and the DOA will probably fight this forever, tying up the issue indefinately….but it’s clear that states and operators are getting screwed otherwise with the feds trying to break their contracts

Read more: [Link: www.mcclatchydc.com…]

272 PT Barnum  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 10:43:47am

Afternoon all…

Just made lunch with my 9 year old…very cool teaching a kid to cook.

It was just grilled ham and cheese, but it’s a start.

273 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 10:47:01am

re: #272 PT Barnum

Afternoon all…

Just made lunch with my 9 year old…very cool teaching a kid to cook.

It was just grilled ham and cheese, but it’s a start.

It’s a very important skill that they will use their entire life. I’m shocked how few people even know how to cook anymore.

274 Four More Tears  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 10:47:22am

re: #272 PT Barnum

Afternoon all…

Just made lunch with my 9 year old…very cool teaching a kid to cook.

It was just grilled ham and cheese, but it’s a start.

I was able to make hard-boiled eggs today without any complications.

I know, I know…

275 PT Barnum  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 10:47:28am

re: #271 albusteve

whoa!…good news for a change!

Judges rule Obama can’t close Yucca Mountain nuclear dump

Three administrative judges within the Nuclear Regulatory Commission ruled last week that Congress had designated Yucca Mountain in 1987 to receive highly toxic waste from the Savannah River Site on the S.C.-Georgia border and other complexes that built atom bombs during the Cold War.

The panel found that President Barack Obama and Department of Energy Secretary Steven Chu, a nuclear physicist, lacked the power to close the Yucca repository unilaterally; doing so, it ruled, would require another act of Congress.

BO, Chu, and the DOA will probably fight this forever, tying up the issue indefinately…but it’s clear that states and operators are getting screwed otherwise with the feds trying to break their contracts

Read more: [Link: www.mcclatchydc.com…]

So what happens when all that stuff leaks into the water supply or some other nasty consequence nobody’s thought of yet?

276 Four More Tears  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 10:48:14am

re: #275 PT Barnum

So what happens when all that stuff leaks into the water supply or some other nasty consequence nobody’s thought of yet?

Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles?

277 PT Barnum  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 10:48:35am

re: #273 Killgore Trout

It’s a very important skill that they will use their entire life. I’m shocked how few people even know how to cook anymore.

My 19 year old son (the one I didn’t really raise) is useless in the kitchen. If it can’t be microwaved, stuck in the oven, or poured from a box into a bowl, he’ll starve.

278 wrenchwench  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 10:48:50am

re: #273 Killgore Trout

It’s a very important skill that they will use their entire life. I’m shocked how few people even know how to cook anymore.

I have a friend who is very frugal in some weird ways, but he doesn’t cook. I just found out he spends twice what I do to eat.

279 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 10:50:06am

re: #272 PT Barnum

Afternoon all…

Just made lunch with my 9 year old…very cool teaching a kid to cook.

It was just grilled ham and cheese, but it’s a start.


Not as easy as it would seem to make a very good grilled cheese sammich

I’ve seen good restaurants botch it!

280 PT Barnum  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 10:50:12am

re: #278 wrenchwench

I have a friend who is very frugal in some weird ways, but he doesn’t cook. I just found out he spends twice what I do to eat.

It was also a matter of cooking healthier..we were eating out entirely too much because Mrs Barnum is working nights. She can get away for an hour for supper, so I’m going to cook and have the Peanut help me.

If anyone has any easy to prepare recipes that aren’t too outre, please pass them along

281 Four More Tears  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 10:50:27am

re: #277 PT Barnum

My 19 year old son (the one I didn’t really raise) is useless in the kitchen. If it can’t be microwaved, stuck in the oven, or poured from a box into a bowl, he’ll starve.

What are you talking about? I’m 34.

Oh…

282 PT Barnum  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 10:52:10am

re: #281 JasonA

What are you talking about? I’m 34.

Oh…

LSHAWM!

My mom taught me how to cook, so I learned the basics. But since Food Network and Travel Channel (Man Vs. Food is my favorite) are my favorite TV shows, I’ve felt inspired to try to improve my range.

283 PT Barnum  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 10:53:43am

I think one of these nights I’m gonna try making Juicy Lucys with a bit of salsa or brocolli coleslaw on top.

Or I’ll try doing something with some raspberry chipotle bbq sauce I found the other day.

284 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 10:55:28am

re: #271 albusteve

whoa!…good news for a change!

Judges rule Obama can’t close Yucca Mountain nuclear dump

Three administrative judges within the Nuclear Regulatory Commission ruled last week that Congress had designated Yucca Mountain in 1987 to receive highly toxic waste from the Savannah River Site on the S.C.-Georgia border and other complexes that built atom bombs during the Cold War.

The panel found that President Barack Obama and Department of Energy Secretary Steven Chu, a nuclear physicist, lacked the power to close the Yucca repository unilaterally; doing so, it ruled, would require another act of Congress.

BO, Chu, and the DOA will probably fight this forever, tying up the issue indefinately…but it’s clear that states and operators are getting screwed otherwise with the feds trying to break their contracts

Read more: [Link: www.mcclatchydc.com…]

Sweet. In other news, the GOP can suck it because Harry Reid is hypocritical piece of dung whose position on Yucca mountain is as credible as a YEC’s analysis of a T-rex femur. And we can’t field an opposition candidate above a fifth-grade IQ level. It’s enough to make a man cry…

285 ryannon  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 10:56:32am

re: #275 PT Barnum

So what happens when all that stuff leaks into the water supply or some other nasty consequence nobody’s thought of yet?

Shit like that never ever happens.

You’re just some kind of Luddite worrier.

286 albusteve  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 10:58:09am

re: #275 PT Barnum

So what happens when all that stuff leaks into the water supply or some other nasty consequence nobody’s thought of yet?

then we all glow

287 PT Barnum  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 10:58:31am

re: #285 ryannon

Shit like that never ever happens.

You’re just some kind of Luddite worrier.

Don’t get me wrong, I support nuclear power, but we do need to figure out to do with the waste before we get too nuts with it.

288 PT Barnum  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 10:59:45am

re: #286 albusteve

then we all glow

We’ll all go together when we go…

I think it’s more likely to lead to something like Chernobyl and the area around it. Seen the pictures, don’t want, even if I never live in Nevada.

289 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 10:59:47am

re: #280 PT Barnum

It was also a matter of cooking healthier..we were eating out entirely too much because Mrs Barnum is working nights. She can get away for an hour for supper, so I’m going to cook and have the Peanut help me.

If anyone has any easy to prepare recipes that aren’t too outre, please pass them along

red beans and rice are a surprisingly healthy combination…something about the red beans apparently lowers the glycemic impact of the rice.

sautee a little sausage or strips of chicken breast in a big saucepan and then pour the prepackaged beans/rice right on top, add 2 cups of water, and let it cook for 7-10 minutes.

steam some broccoli or another vegetable and you have an easy healthy meal for 2!

290 ryannon  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 10:59:47am

re: #287 PT Barnum

Don’t get me wrong, I support nuclear power, but we do need to figure out to do with the waste before we get too nuts with it.

Shucks, you didn’t see my invisible sark slash?

291 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 11:00:38am

re: #275 PT Barnum

So what happens when all that stuff leaks into the water supply or some other nasty consequence nobody’s thought of yet?

The water supply in YUCCA MOUNTAIN?

Dude.

There’s more water on the moon. That’s why the scientists picked Yucca Mountain.

292 Four More Tears  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 11:01:41am

re: #288 PT Barnum

We’ll all go together when we go…

I think it’s more likely to lead to something like Chernobyl and the area around it. Seen the pictures, don’t want, even if I never live in Nevada.

That city is still abandoned.

293 PT Barnum  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 11:01:58am

re: #291 Aceofwhat?

The water supply in YUCCA MOUNTAIN?

Dude.

There’s more water on the moon. That’s why the scientists picked Yucca Mountain.

That’s why I said some other nasty consequence nobody’s thought of. Who’s gonna end up paying for THAT cleanup?

294 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 11:02:07am

re: #287 PT Barnum

Don’t get me wrong, I support nuclear power, but we do need to figure out to do with the waste before we get too nuts with it.

We’ve already figured it out. Yucca Mountain is perfect. Literally. The science supporting it is overwhelming.

295 Racer X  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 11:02:45am

re: #287 PT Barnum

Don’t get me wrong, I support nuclear power, but we do need to figure out to do with the waste before we get too nuts with it.

Where is the waste now?

296 ryannon  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 11:03:09am

re: #292 JasonA

That city is still abandoned.

You can buy property really cheap there.

Good investment if you can wait a few hundred thousand years.

297 Four More Tears  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 11:03:16am

re: #295 Racer X

Where is the waste now?

Blogmocracy?

298 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 11:03:40am

re: #293 PT Barnum

That’s why I said some other nasty consequence nobody’s thought of. Who’s gonna end up paying for THAT cleanup?

What are you talking about? What cleanup? Yucca mountain is as far from a water source as you could ever want to be. Is this you being concerned about something you don’t really understand at all?

299 ryannon  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 11:04:03am

re: #294 Aceofwhat?

We’ve already figured it out. Yucca Mountain is perfect. Literally. The science supporting it is overwhelming.

hahahahha!

I just so….overwhelmed.

300 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 11:04:48am

re: #288 PT Barnum

We’ll all go together when we go…

I think it’s more likely to lead to something like Chernobyl and the area around it. Seen the pictures, don’t want, even if I never live in Nevada.

Oh, God.

Chernobyl was a shitty nuclear REACTOR.

We are talking about WASTE. It doesn’t blow up. You know, because it’s WASTE.

301 ryannon  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 11:05:21am

re: #295 Racer X

Where is the waste now?

Wherever it is, just hope that BP isn’t managing it.

302 ryannon  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 11:06:56am

re: #300 Aceofwhat?

Oh, God.

Chernobyl was a shitty nuclear REACTOR.

We are talking about WASTE. It doesn’t blow up. You know, because it’s WASTE.

Wow, I never thought about it that way.

Hey, you can store it under my bed!

303 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 11:07:14am

re: #299 ryannon

hahahahha!

I just so…overwhelmed.

Yeah. I don’t know what else to say…water in Yucca Mountain…sigh.

I should have said that it’ll be ok because the unicorns are guarding the rivers in Yucca Mountain…it’s not any less logical than worrying about a Chernobyl repeat, and it’s a lot funnier than doing a Ludwig impression…

304 PT Barnum  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 11:07:40am

re: #300 Aceofwhat?

Oh, God.

Chernobyl was a shitty nuclear REACTOR.

We are talking about WASTE. It doesn’t blow up. You know, because it’s WASTE.

I find it funny that the same people who don’t think government can do anything right are all for letting the feds manage tons and tons of nuclear waste without letting the containers rupture or leak or anything else.

305 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 11:08:55am

re: #302 ryannon

Wow, I never thought about it that way.

Hey, you can store it under my bed!


Heh. One wonders just how you manage not to glow in a country that derives 75% of its energy from Nuclear power…oh, the danger of it all…*swoon*

//

306 Racer X  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 11:08:58am

Poplar Science Magazine had an article a few years ago on Yucca Mountain and the plans to store waste there. There is no better place. The plan calls for waste receptacles to be shipped via rail / truck to the site. The waste containers are virtually unbreakable. They tested them by ramming them with locomotives to simulate accidents.

The site was chosen after years of study.

Look into it if it makes you worry.

307 ryannon  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 11:10:34am

re: #303 Aceofwhat?

Yeah. I don’t know what else to say…water in Yucca Mountain…sigh.

I should have said that it’ll be ok because the unicorns are guarding the rivers in Yucca Mountain…it’s not any less logical than worrying about a Chernobyl repeat, and it’s a lot funnier than doing a Ludwig impression…

Whatever. But there is no way I’m ever going to feel good about that technology. Just read about the problems Areva is having with its ‘new generation’ reactor(s).

308 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 11:12:08am

re: #304 PT Barnum

I find it funny that the same people who don’t think government can do anything right are all for letting the feds manage tons and tons of nuclear waste without letting the containers rupture or leak or anything else.

I find it funny that people think that it requires more management to lock up nuclear waste in a deep, dry tomb of rock that is NOWHERE near a water source than it currently requires to have said nuclear waste locked up above ground at all of our nuclear plants.

In other words, you’re right. Managing it sucks. If only we could stash it somewhere where it didn’t have to be managed because the natural surroundings could be guaranteed not to let it escape before its half-life had effectively expired…OH WAIT WE DO HAVE SUCH A PLACE. Silly me. I forgot.

309 Varek Raith  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 11:12:40am

re: #285 ryannon

Shit like that never ever happens.

You’re just some kind of Luddite worrier.

Just like a deepwater oil rig can never catastrophically fail.
Oh…
wait…

310 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 11:14:51am

re: #307 ryannon

Whatever. But there is no way I’m ever going to feel good about that technology. Just read about the problems Areva is having with its ‘new generation’ reactor(s).

At the risk of repeating myself, France almost has more reactors than vineyards. Just how many people have died or become severely poisoned by France’s nuclear energy policy again?

I’m anxious to hear the answer from a current resident…i figure you’d know better than I…

311 Racer X  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 11:15:20am

We should ban all oil drilling here in the U.S. because of the dangers to the environment. Let other countries drill, because we all know how environmentally conscious Nigeria and Russia are.

Same with Nukes. Not here! Shut all our nuclear plants down now! There is nowhere to store the waste. Let Canada and France and Russia and Iran build nuclear plants. They are better at taking care of the environment than America is anyway.

312 PT Barnum  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 11:16:05am

re: #307 ryannon

Whatever. But there is no way I’m ever going to feel good about that technology. Just read about the problems Areva is having with its ‘new generation’ reactor(s).


Went and looked at more information:

There is water below, but it’s far enough below that they don’t expect any problems, although there’s no guarantee the area will remain as dry as it currently (changing weather patterns and all).

On point 2, the consequences of a leak would be radiation leaking out into the area, correct? I’m not suggesting it would be as bad as Chernobyl, but simply that if it was above a certain level, it could have the same impact.

313 ryannon  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 11:16:24am

re: #305 Aceofwhat?

Heh. One wonders just how you manage not to glow in a country that derives 75% of its energy from Nuclear power…oh, the danger of it all…*swoon*

//

There’s a list of contamination incidents as long as my arm, plus reactors which have been decommissioned due to safety hazards. They still haven’t figured out how to disassemble and dispose of the obsolete ones. It just goes on and on, but the lobby is so powerful that you rarely hear the bad news, even in France.

But what the hell, it’s your kids and your future. Go ahead and build ‘em, and the best of luck with it.

314 PT Barnum  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 11:17:32am

re: #313 ryannon

There’s a list of contamination incidents as long as my arm, plus reactors which have been decommissioned due to safety hazards. They still haven’t figured out how to disassemble and dispose of the obsolete ones. It just goes on and on, but the lobby is so powerful that you rarely hear the bad news, even in France.

But what the hell, it’s your kids and your future. Go ahead and build ‘em, and the best of luck with it.

But if everybody gets irradiated, we’ll all end up with X-men as kids!!
/

315 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 11:18:55am

re: #312 PT Barnum


On point 2, the consequences of a leak would be radiation leaking out into the area, correct? I’m not suggesting it would be as bad as Chernobyl, but simply that if it was above a certain level, it could have the same impact.

No. It’s not even comparable. You would need to roll around in it or ingest it in order to be poisoned, and you’d need to do it for a long time. That’s why a dirty bomb isn’t really an effective killer, only an effective method of terrorizing the population. It’s quite hard to hurt someone with spent radioactive waste.

If you rubbed spent radioactive fuel on me, i’d go take a shower and i’d be just fine.

Feel better yet?

316 Racer X  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 11:20:02am

Ted Kennedy has killed more Americans than an America nuclear reactor. I know. Harsh. But true.

/but what if aliens came down and used blue energy to make the nuclear waste come alive and steal my precious bodily fluids?

317 ryannon  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 11:20:03am

re: #314 PT Barnum

But if everybody gets irradiated, we’ll all end up with X-men as kids!!
/

I don’t want to harsh anyone’s mellow, but this is what you’ll end up with

318 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 11:20:33am

re: #313 ryannon

There’s a list of contamination incidents as long as my arm, plus reactors which have been decommissioned due to safety hazards. They still haven’t figured out how to disassemble and dispose of the obsolete ones. It just goes on and on, but the lobby is so powerful that you rarely hear the bad news, even in France.

But what the hell, it’s your kids and your future. Go ahead and build ‘em, and the best of luck with it.

How
Many
People
Have
Died

(keep in mind that coal mining is your fallback option)

And yes, if i got enough money for the real estate, you could build a pebble-bed reactor in my backyard. Money = where my mouth is. My family would be just fine.

319 ryannon  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 11:23:32am

re: #318 Aceofwhat?

How
Many
People
Have
Died

(keep in mind that coal mining is your fallback option)

And yes, if i got enough money for the real estate, you could build a pebble-bed reactor in my backyard. Money = where my mouth is. My family would be just fine.

That’s just honky-dory. Go for it, dude.

320 PT Barnum  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 11:23:40am

re: #315 Aceofwhat?

No. It’s not even comparable. You would need to roll around in it or ingest it in order to be poisoned, and you’d need to do it for a long time. That’s why a dirty bomb isn’t really an effective killer, only an effective method of terrorizing the population. It’s quite hard to hurt someone with spent radioactive waste.

If you rubbed spent radioactive fuel on me, i’d go take a shower and i’d be just fine.

Feel better yet?

Uh…I just did a little reading and that’s not true at all. High Level Waste from reactors is highly radioactive. If it’s been reprocessed, it’s different story, but from the article I read, we don’t really reprocess waste the same way the Europeans do.

321 Racer X  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 11:23:57am

re: #318 Aceofwhat?

How
Many
People
Have
Died

(keep in mind that coal mining is your fallback option)

And yes, if i got enough money for the real estate, you could build a pebble-bed reactor in my backyard. Money = where my mouth is. My family would be just fine.

Pebble bed is the way to go.

In a hundred years there will be refrigerator-sized PB reactors about every four blocks in cities where Solar, Thermal, and Wind is not feasible.

322 albusteve  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 11:24:46am

re: #321 Racer X

Pebble bed is the way to go.

In a hundred years there will be refrigerator-sized PB reactors about every four blocks in cities where Solar, Thermal, and Wind is not feasible.

a hundred years?…check out the Hyperion…it’s here, now

323 PT Barnum  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 11:25:25am

re: #318 Aceofwhat?

How
Many
People
Have
Died

(keep in mind that coal mining is your fallback option)

And yes, if i got enough money for the real estate, you could build a pebble-bed reactor in my backyard. Money = where my mouth is. My family would be just fine.

You won’t know how many people die for some time, considering that not all deaths from increased radioactivity are going to show up immediately.

324 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 11:25:36am

re: #317 ryannon

I don’t want to harsh anyone’s mellow, but this is what you’ll end up with

Really. How is the spent waste going to magically transport itself out of a deep, dry mountain again?

325 ryannon  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 11:25:40am

re: #322 albusteve

a hundred years?…check out the Hyperion…it’s here, now

And it’s a joke, for a number of reasons.

How many have they sold?

326 ryannon  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 11:30:04am

re: #324 Aceofwhat?

Really. How is the spent waste going to magically transport itself out of a deep, dry mountain again?

I’m not fucking God, and I can’t really predict the future.

But like I say, go for it. It’s what everybody wants anyway, right?

327 albusteve  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 11:30:21am

re: #325 ryannon

And it’s a joke, for a number of reasons.

How many have they sold?

can’t sell them, the govt will not issue permits….it’s a contrived situation that disallows the advance of nuke power her in the US…it’s all politics, tree huggers and fucked up judges

328 albusteve  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 11:31:04am

re: #326 ryannon

I’m not fucking God, and I can’t really predict the future.

But like I say, go for it. It’s what everybody wants anyway, right?

the overwhelming majority, yes

329 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 11:31:25am

re: #320 PT Barnum

Uh…I just did a little reading and that’s not true at all. High Level Waste from reactors is highly radioactive. If it’s been reprocessed, it’s different story, but from the article I read, we don’t really reprocess waste the same way the Europeans do.

It doesn’t go to long-term storage right away. You keep it in water for a bit until it won’t kill you to walk past it.

Sounds to me as if you have a lot more research to do on this topic.

330 ryannon  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 11:31:41am

re: #327 albusteve

can’t sell them, the govt will not issue permits…it’s a contrived situation that disallows the advance of nuke power her in the US…it’s all politics, tree huggers and fucked up judges

Holy Fuck!

Commie tree huggers and fucked up judges!

What’s the country coming to?

331 albusteve  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 11:32:22am

re: #330 ryannon

Holy Fuck!

Commie tree huggers and fucked up judges!

What’s the country coming to?

exactly…what we are coming to is not a pretty sight

332 ryannon  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 11:33:37am

re: #328 albusteve

the overwhelming majority, yes

Then GO FOR IT DUDES!

I mean, don’t let me stop you.

But just don’t ask that I smile for the class picture.

333 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 11:33:46am

re: #323 PT Barnum

You won’t know how many people die for some time, considering that not all deaths from increased radioactivity are going to show up immediately.

Riiight. So really, all they lack is a very remote place to put the spent waste?

334 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 11:35:41am

re: #326 ryannon

I’m not fucking God, and I can’t really predict the future.

But like I say, go for it. It’s what everybody wants anyway, right?

What do you think about Thorium reactors?

335 albusteve  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 11:35:48am

re: #332 ryannon

Then GO FOR IT DUDES!

I mean, don’t let me stop you.

But just don’t ask that I smile for the class picture.

can’t….the govt has the energy business in it’s pocket, and is way more concrned about copping the illegal alien vote once there is amnesty for them…Jabba the Fed only cares about the Gravy Train

336 albusteve  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 11:36:47am

re: #333 Aceofwhat?

Riiight. So really, all they lack is a very remote place to put the spent waste?

just the containers themselves are literally invincible, as Racer has pointed out

337 ryannon  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 11:38:49am

re: #336 albusteve

just the containers themselves are literally invincible, as Racer has pointed out

Even Superman was vulnerable to Kryptonite.

But not these containers, no sir-eee.

338 albusteve  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 11:39:21am

the govy has the power to create misery, just look around you…but it cannot create happiness and prosperity, only tax paying voters have that power

339 ryannon  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 11:40:56am

re: #338 albusteve

the govy has the power to create misery, just look around you…but it cannot create happiness and prosperity, only tax paying voters have that power

NUCLEAR REVOLUTION!

Go for it people, before it’s too late!

340 albusteve  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 11:41:02am

re: #337 ryannon

Even Superman was vulnerable to Kryptonite.

But not these containers, no sir-eee.

describe the alternative to nuclear energy…if you have no confidence that American ingenuity cannot beat this problem, then what is the answer?

341 albusteve  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 11:42:19am

re: #339 ryannon

NUCLEAR REVOLUTION!

Go for it people, before it’s too late!

it already may be too late…as I said look around you, and consider our dire economic situation…we are in crisis, and not the Pam Geller sort

342 ryannon  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 11:45:53am

re: #340 albusteve

describe the alternative to nuclear energy…if you have no confidence that American ingenuity cannot beat this problem, then what is the answer?

Kerosene lamps.

Burn cow-pies for fuel

How the fuck should I know?

Not my problem.

What I do know is that I’ll be dead by the time anyone gets those reactors on line. And that alone goes a long way with reconciling me with my own mortality.

343 Racer X  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 11:47:31am

Global Warming, People!

Now is not the time to wring hands and worry about what if. We must act and act now. Burning fossil fuels is killing the planet. Well not really, it is just making it uncomfortable for humans and amphibious reptiles. But we must act now!

344 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 11:54:28am

re: #342 ryannon

Kerosene lamps.

Burn cow-pies for fuel

How the fuck should I know?

Not my problem.

What I do know is that I’ll be dead by the time anyone gets those reactors on line. And that alone goes a long way with reconciling me with my own mortality.

Liquid Fuel Thorium Reactors.

Have been spending months, off and on, trying to find a downside. Not having any luck. Thoughts?

345 ryannon  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 11:58:25am

re: #344 Aceofwhat?

Liquid Fuel Thorium Reactors.

Have been spending months, off and on, trying to find a downside. Not having any luck. Thoughts?

I’m just an idiot from another age.

LFT is the Philosopher’s Stone for all i know.

Go for it - I’m sure you can’t go wrong.

346 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 12:07:03pm

re: #345 ryannon

[Video]I’m just an idiot from another age.

LFT is the Philosopher’s Stone for all i know.

Go for it - I’m sure you can’t go wrong.

Well, that’s true. But not everyone shares my level of genius, so I keep reminding myself that i have to keep an eye out for the common man//

cheers-

347 ryannon  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 12:13:12pm

re: #346 Aceofwhat?

Well, that’s true. But not everyone shares my level of genius, so I keep reminding myself that i have to keep an eye out for the common man//

cheers-

You one of those Watchmen fellas?

348 prairiefire  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 12:50:03pm

re: #266 Killgore Trout

That’s so cool!

Upding times eleventy!

349 ckb  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 1:07:25pm

Charles,

Glad to see these coming back from CGC. How many did you send? Love to get those registered mail packages.

I had slightly higher hopes for this book in March, it is so hard to tell from a scan, but it was still worth the trip to Sarasota. The WHITE page quality is a selling point. Good luck!

350 Gang of One  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 1:15:53pm

re: #244 lostlakehiker

And then, avoid banging it again for the next few months.

In bed?
/*WHACK*
//saving Mandy the trouble.
///Yet again.

351 changomo  Tue, Jul 6, 2010 7:13:46pm

re: #262 Charles

cool - it’s like those stories you hear about the trunk in the Attic. Hope you got lots of gems!!!

Thanks

352 changomo  Tue, Jul 6, 2010 7:15:41pm

re: #255 sattv4u2

wow - thanks for the friendly welcome - I find your response strange since my post was entirely civil. Nor have I posted anything disrespectful, would I not be banned by now if I did?


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