Sharron Angle: Quote Me and I’ll Sue

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Nevada Tea Party candidate Sharron Angle continues to amuse, as she sends an absurd cease-and-desist letter to the Harry Reid campaign for reposting the original version of Angle’s newly sanitized website.

Sharron Angle has resorted to an unusual maneuver to counter Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid’s attacks on her past quotes and positions, the Reid campaign has announced: A cease-and-desist letter, demanding that Reid no longer republish Angle’s previous campaign website.

The short version of the story is as follows: After the former state Rep won Nevada’s Republican Senate primary, Angle’s campaign took down most of its website, and later replaced it with a relaunched version that in some ways toned down her right-wing rhetoric. But Internet pages are rarely ever forgotten — the Reid campaign saved the old version, and put up a website called “The Real Sharron Angle,” reproducing the old content.

Then, they say, the Angle campaign sent them a cease-and-desist letter, claiming misuse of copyrighted materials in the reposting of the old website — which was, of course, being posted for the purposes of ridiculing Angle.

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919 comments
1 windsagio  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 1:55:23pm

Lets file this under 'tactics that will backfire!'

(no, not Reid)

2 Eclectic Infidel  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 1:59:03pm

Bah. Now I have an itching to quote her on my blog. Not that I get any traffic whatsoever, but I know I'll feel good after I do it. Then I'll have lunch.

So, how was everyone's 4th? I attended a small but enjoyable party in a city just outside Sonoma, CA; then we drove/walked to the firework show about 10-20 minutes away. Got home around midnight, crashed, allowed myself to sleep in for a change.

3 windsagio  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 1:59:50pm

re: #2 eclectic infidel

Worked, we do a picnic for the 150+ clients every 4th of July. Was fun tho', if a bit cloudy.

4 webevintage  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 2:02:41pm

hahahahaha
Poor Sharon seems to not realize that the intertubes is forever....

5 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 2:04:48pm

Who's advising her?

6 windsagio  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 2:05:16pm

re: #5 MandyManners

Who's advising her?

Same consultants who designed the GNC website, no doubt :)

7 brookly red  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 2:06:13pm

re: #5 MandyManners

Who's advising her?

/Johnnie Walker

8 windsagio  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 2:06:31pm

re: #7 brookly red

Yours was better than mine ;)

9 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 2:08:29pm

re: #5 MandyManners

Who's advising her?

Somebody that should probably be fired, lol.

10 Gus  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 2:09:11pm

re: #5 MandyManners

Who's advising her?

Angle Fills Out Political Team
June 22, 2010
By Reid Wilson

NV Assemb. Sharron Angle (R) is slowly turning her campaign into a professional operation, bringing on key staffers and consultants who will help her target Senate Maj. Leader Harry Reid this fall.

A look at some of the firms and consultants she has on her team:

-- John Yob: The veteran GOP consultant, based in MI, is taking on a bigger role for the campaign. His title is senior advisor, but one source described his role more as chief strategist. Yob is connected in the conservative GOP sphere, and he ran ex-OH Sec/State Ken Blackwell's RNC chairman's race last year.

-- BrabenderCox: The Leesburg and Pittsburgh-based consulting firm has crafted messages for hundreds of GOP campaigns, including ex-NYC Mayor Rudy Giuliani's (R) WH'08 campaign. This year, the firm is also handling ads for Sen. David Vitter (R-LA) and PA AG Tom Corbett (R), running for GOV.

-- Prosper Group Corp.: The internet consulting firm is helping Angle harness her web-based fundraising, and it's working. Angle has pulled in $934K online since the primary, and a source says her offline fundraising has pushed that figure well over $1M.

-- Public Opinion Strategies: Angle's campaign is close to inking a deal with Gene Ulm, the well-regarded pollster at the mega-firm that handles dozens of top-tier clients every year. Ulm most recently handled the PA 12 race for the NRCC.

Meanwhile, the campaign is in ongoing talks with several top communications and finance staffers. A source in the Angle camp says the NRSC, which has taken a low public profile in dealing with Angle's campaign organization, recommended several names, including a former top aide to ex-Rep. Rob Simmons' (R) CT SEN bid.

11 euphgeek  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 2:10:53pm

She doesn't even want to win against Harry Reid, does she?

12 brookly red  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 2:13:21pm

/See, this is what backing down get's you, she should have stuck with what was working so far... but noooo she wanted to appeal to the middle.

13 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 2:13:44pm

re: #9 Fozzie Bear

Somebody that should probably be fired, lol.

Honestly... she would do better if she embraced her past remarks and stop making herself look like she is guilty of something. Considering how the far right side of the conservative voting block is actually eating this sort of rhetoric up, she could only benefit from standing on his statements.

I would play it up both way... for those who think the remarks are too strong, she needed to play up on the fact that she was using colloquialism and at the same time suggesting that she really has that "revolutionary zeal" to change the direction the country is going in.

Colloquialisms... works for the president.

14 thatthatisis  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 2:17:12pm

Same spoiled food, different package.

15 tradewind  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 2:17:18pm

re: #5 MandyManners
She's a Democrat plant! !! 11!!

16 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 2:17:30pm

re: #13 Walter L. Newton

Honestly... she would do better if she embraced her past remarks and stop making herself look like she is guilty of something. Considering how the far right side of the conservative voting block is actually eating this sort of rhetoric up, she could only benefit from standing on his statements.

I would play it up both way... for those who think the remarks are too strong, she needed to play up on the fact that she was using colloquialism and at the same time suggesting that she really has that "revolutionary zeal" to change the direction the country is going in.

Colloquialisms... works for the president.

Holding a position that the EPA should be disbanded, for example, isn't something that is couched in a colloquialism. It's a concrete policy position, and an indefensible one, at that.

17 tradewind  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 2:18:10pm

re: #6 windsagio
The health food stores?/

18 albusteve  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 2:18:52pm

re: #16 Fozzie Bear

Holding a position that the EPA should be disbanded, for example, isn't something that is couched in a colloquialism. It's a concrete policy position, and an indefensible one, at that.

she should have suggested the same for the Ed Dept...makes much more sense

19 Gus  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 2:18:52pm

re: #10 Gus 802

Jon Yob - Adviser to Sharon Angle

Former Deputy Political Director for McCain/Palin 2008:

Iinitially the campaign's Michigan State Director. Partner in Strategic National Consulting, LLC; previously president of Independent Campaign Marketing Inc.. Graduate of the University of Michigan's College of Literature, Science, and the Arts (LSA); former chairman of the Michigan College Republicans. Youngest son of Michigan RNC Committeeman Chuck Yob.

20 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 2:19:15pm

re: #18 albusteve

she should have suggested the same for the Ed Dept...makes much more sense

She did.

21 albusteve  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 2:19:47pm

re: #20 Fozzie Bear

She did.

good for her

22 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 2:20:39pm

re: #21 albusteve

good for her

*facepalm*

23 windsagio  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 2:21:52pm

re: #22 Fozzie Bear

hint, it might be trying to start a fight :)

(Yes I'm sure you know that :p)

24 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 2:24:42pm

Don't forget the Western Conservative Summit 2010... speakers include... Dick Morris, Lt. Gen. Jerry Boykin, Arthur Brooks, Rep. Michele Bachmann, Michelle Malkin, Dennis Prager, Foster Friess, Joseph C. Phillips, Lee Strobel, Tom Tancredo, Bill Armstrong, John Andrews... should be a good time had for all...

To our fellow conservatives, on behalf of the Centennial Institute and Colorado Christian University, as well as our distinguished partner organizations helping convene this important conference, the first of its kind -- Please come and rally with us for freedom, family, and faith. Wherever you live in the West, plains to coast, border to border; whatever your interest, from politics to business, education to media; this is a weekend you’ll long remember. Perhaps a weekend that will change history. It’s up to us. See you at the Summit!

[Link: www.ccu.edu...]

25 windsagio  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 2:25:57pm

re: #24 Walter L. Newton

Dude, if I go can I crash at your place? Sounds like a hell of a place to take a tape recorder!

26 Gus  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 2:26:26pm

re: #22 Fozzie Bear

*facepalm*

Quack. Read that. It's kind of funny.

BTW, that ED is one of the smallest department in the Federal government.

27 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 2:26:54pm

re: #23 windsagio

hint, it might be trying to start a fight :)

(Yes I'm sure you know that :p)

So... now a topic, an opinion, a statement is picking a fight... it's amazing how the progressive love to bastardize the English language, search through those Orwellian concepts, find a way to create new examples of Newspeak... well guess what sunshine... ain't gonna stop me... so enjoy the fight, if that's what you want to call it.

28 albusteve  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 2:27:38pm

re: #27 Walter L. Newton

So... now a topic, an opinion, a statement is picking a fight... it's amazing how the progressive love to bastardize the English language, search through those Orwellian concepts, find a way to create new examples of Newspeak... well guess what sunshine... ain't gonna stop me... so enjoy the fight, if that's what you want to call it.

IW wannabe

29 Gus  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 2:27:53pm

re: #25 windsagio

Dude, if I go can I crash at your place? Sounds like a hell of a place to take a tape recorder!

And do a lot of drugs. Looks like Malkin, Tancredo, and Bachmann will be there.

30 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 2:28:38pm

re: #24 Walter L. Newton

Don't forget the Western Conservative Summit 2010... speakers include... Dick Morris, Lt. Gen. Jerry Boykin, Arthur Brooks, Rep. Michele Bachmann, Michelle Malkin, Dennis Prager, Foster Friess, Joseph C. Phillips, Lee Strobel, Tom Tancredo, Bill Armstrong, John Andrews... should be a good time had for all...

To our fellow conservatives, on behalf of the Centennial Institute and Colorado Christian University, as well as our distinguished partner organizations helping convene this important conference, the first of its kind -- Please come and rally with us for freedom, family, and faith. Wherever you live in the West, plains to coast, border to border; whatever your interest, from politics to business, education to media; this is a weekend you’ll long remember. Perhaps a weekend that will change history. It’s up to us. See you at the Summit!

[Link: www.ccu.edu...]

I hate to slight your fair state, but that is a missed opportunity--they could have met at Roswell.

31 albusteve  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 2:28:43pm

re: #29 Gus 802

And do a lot of drugs. Looks like Malkin, Tancredo, and Bachmann will be there.

GOP superstars!....feel the tingle yet?

32 windsagio  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 2:29:08pm

re: #27 Walter L. Newton

Smile, its a beautiful day!

33 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 2:29:12pm

re: #27 Walter L. Newton

So... now a topic, an opinion, a statement is picking a fight... it's amazing how the progressive love to bastardize the English language, search through those Orwellian concepts, find a way to create new examples of Newspeak... well guess what sunshine... ain't gonna stop me... so enjoy the fight, if that's what you want to call it.

Yep, the department of Ed is totally Orwellian. //

34 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 2:29:19pm

re: #25 windsagio

Dude, if I go can I crash at your place? Sounds like a hell of a place to take a tape recorder!

My place is always open to Lizard guest... Cato stayed here... I met a number of other Lizards passing through the area... I suspect I can put up with even you :)

35 windsagio  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 2:29:47pm

re: #29 Gus 802

I know rite? I bet they ban the press >>

36 Gus  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 2:30:21pm

re: #24 Walter L. Newton

Don't forget the Western Conservative Summit 2010... speakers include... Dick Morris, Lt. Gen. Jerry Boykin, Arthur Brooks, Rep. Michele Bachmann, Michelle Malkin, Dennis Prager, Foster Friess, Joseph C. Phillips, Lee Strobel, Tom Tancredo, Bill Armstrong, John Andrews... should be a good time had for all...

SNIP

Lee Strobel - The Case for a Creator

The Case for a Creator consists of interviews with intelligent design advocates and Christian apologists who argue for the existence of a creator. The advocates interviewed in the chapters and their topic(s) of discussion are as follows:

* Intelligent design advocate, Discovery Institute Center for Science and Culture (CSC) fellow and Unification Church theologian Jonathan Wells presents a case against evolution;
* Intelligent design advocate, CSC fellow and philosopherti of science Stephen C. Meyer discusses the relationship between science and religion, as well as the origin of life, arguing against the likelihood of abiogenesis without the assistance of a creator;
* CSC fellow and philosopher of religion William Lane Craig discusses the Big Bang and argues for a creator as first cause, invoking the Kalam cosmological argument;
* International Society for Complexity, Information and Design fellow and philosopher Robin Collins discusses the anthropic principle and argues that the universe must be designed by a creator;
* Intelligent design advocates and CSC fellows Guillermo Gonzalez (an astronomer) and Jay Richards (a theologian) present a case that the Rare Earth hypothesis supports intelligent design;
* Intelligent design advocate, CSC fellow and biochemist Michael Behe discusses irreducible complexity in biology as an argument for a creator; and,
* CSC fellow, philosopher and theologian J.P. Moreland examines the supposed existence of consciousness separate from the brain, including near-death experiences, as an argument for a creator.

37 windsagio  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 2:30:39pm

re: #34 Walter L. Newton

:D I wish I could actually justify going to that, I imagine me being there would be like Raoul Duke at the national DA's conference on dangerous drugs.

38 Gus  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 2:31:16pm

re: #35 windsagio

I know rite? I bet they ban the press >>

Only Pajamas "Media" will be allowed. Well, of course Fox "News."

39 windsagio  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 2:31:26pm

re: #36 Gus 802

I like his thing on the page:

Lee Strobel
Author & Apologist

40 Gus  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 2:32:20pm

re: #39 windsagio

I like his thing on the page:

That's what caught my eye. Those Apologetics folks are out there.

41 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 2:32:40pm

re: #37 windsagio

:D I wish I could actually justify going to that, I imagine me being there would be like Raoul Duke at the national DA's conference on dangerous drugs.

Well... I wouldn't be caught dead there... I don't know why you are so interested... hmmmm... closet far right winger maybe...

42 Ojoe  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 2:32:47pm

Hey Sharon, did not you say that people on unemployment were spoiled?

Well you can sue my underemployed ass,

and I would add more words after the comma.

43 windsagio  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 2:33:55pm

re: #41 Walter L. Newton

To be perfectly frank I'm not really, it sounds maddening.

Still it would be cool to illicitly record someone saying something totally freakin' nuts and posting it on the web. I could check it off my lifetime list :D

44 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 2:34:04pm

re: #40 Gus 802

That's what caught my eye. Those Apologetics folks are out there.

The Heritage Foundation
Independence Institute
Mountain States Legal Foundation
CitizenLink (Focus on the Family)
Leadership Program of the Rockies
Americans for Prosperity / Colorado
Colorado Family Action
Colorado Union of Taxpayers
Faith & Freedom Coalition / Colorado
Gadsden Society
Citizen Media
Coalition for a Conservative Majority
Rocky Mountain Family Council
John Jay Institute
Hear Us Now
Rocky Mountain Foundation
Rocky Mtn. Blogger Alliance
Liberty on the Rocks
National Freedom Initiative
ACT for America / 5280 Chapter
710 KNUS
1460 KZNT

The Birchers are missing?

45 cronus  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 2:34:11pm

I don't think calling for the abolition of the Dept. of Ed is an extremist position. This is an agency conceived as an election year ploy and whose mission has never been crystallized. Calling for abolition of the EPA however is another matter...

46 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 2:34:53pm

re: #43 windsagio

To be perfectly frank I'm not really, it sounds maddening.

Still it would be cool to illicitly record someone saying something totally freakin' nuts and posting it on the web. I could check it off my lifetime list :D

We call that "hunting in a baited field".

47 Gus  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 2:35:11pm

re: #44 Walter L. Newton

Might be associated with one of those groups? I don't know. Would have to do some sifting.

48 Irenicum  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 2:35:28pm

re: #40 Gus 802

Well, you know what they say, apologetics means never having to say you're sorry.

49 wrenchwench  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 2:35:51pm

This sounds like a particularly distressing seminar:

11:30 am Tom Tancredo – “Who Are We, America?”
50 brookly red  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 2:35:57pm

re: #43 windsagio

To be perfectly frank I'm not really, it sounds maddening.

Still it would be cool to illicitly record someone saying something totally freakin' nuts and posting it on the web. I could check it off my lifetime list :D

well just remember that the mighty Oak of today was yesterday's nut that stood it's ground ;)

51 Gus  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 2:36:05pm

re: #48 Irenicum

Well, you know what they say, apologetics means never having to say you're sorry.

And here I thought it meant you had to say you were sorry all of the time.

/

52 windsagio  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 2:36:09pm

re: #46 Decatur Deb

haahaha!

Brilliant :D

53 Ojoe  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 2:36:12pm

re: #36 Gus 802

People so stridently arguing, must be missing something obvious.

54 tradewind  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 2:36:28pm

re: #25 windsagio
Are you on macaca patrol?/

55 windsagio  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 2:37:01pm

re: #50 brookly red

Gotta admit, I love a good turn of phrase.

I also like the term 'nutbar' to describe someone whose crazy tho'.

56 brookly red  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 2:37:10pm

re: #53 Ojoe

People so stridently arguing, must be missing something obvious.

could just be the heat?

57 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 2:37:28pm

re: #48 Irenicum

Well, you know what they say, apologetics means never having to say you're sorry.

My son was a scholastic, but he finally graduated.

58 Irenicum  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 2:38:06pm

re: #49 wrenchwench

Well they are in Colorado, Go Wolverines!

59 Ojoe  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 2:38:30pm

re: #56 brookly red

I suppose.

Anyway, Thomas Aquinas nailed this stuff centuries ago.

60 windsagio  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 2:38:46pm
61 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 2:39:10pm

re: #59 Ojoe

I suppose.

Anyway, Thomas Aquinas nailed this stuff centuries ago.

Just a Dumb Ox.

62 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 2:39:13pm

Well... argue among yourselves... going to take a hike in the wonderful mountains of Colorado... be back later... got 4 days off now before I have to go back to the supermarket (they only gave me 17 hours this week, I told the managers I'm pissed, they are suppose to give me minimum 20 hours)... will be crafting a lot of jewelry this week... I'll be back in a few hours... have fun...

63 Irenicum  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 2:39:17pm

re: #60 windsagio

I love Thomas Aquinas. Truly a great mind.

64 tradewind  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 2:39:41pm

re: #41 Walter L. Newton
Closeted? Not so much. There's a project.
tp[Link: www.politico.com...]

65 Irenicum  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 2:39:46pm

re: #62 Walter L. Newton

Go take a hike!
///

66 Gus  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 2:40:01pm

re: #62 Walter L. Newton

Well... argue among yourselves... going to take a hike in the wonderful mountains of Colorado... be back later... got 4 days off now before I have to go back to the supermarket (they only gave me 17 hours this week, I told the managers I'm pissed, they are suppose to give me minimum 20 hours)... will be crafting a lot of jewelry this week... I'll be back in a few hours... have fun...

I disagree!

/

67 Ojoe  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 2:40:11pm

re: #61 Decatur Deb

And a Sicilian, if I remember correctly.

Don Vito Aquino

LOL

68 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 2:41:14pm

re: #56 brookly red

could just be the heat?

Heat... it was 44 degrees overnight... yea... I'm leaving in a second...

69 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 2:41:20pm

re: #67 Ojoe

Tommy the Tucan

70 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 2:41:29pm

re: #10 Gus 802

Who has the license to practice law?

71 Ojoe  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 2:41:57pm

re: #69 Fozzie Bear

If the Tucan can, you can too.

72 tradewind  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 2:41:59pm

re: #64 tradewind
Damn, why would stinky kill a politico link? Trying again...
[Link: accountabilityproject.com...]

73 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 2:42:01pm

re: #68 Walter L. Newton

Heat... it was 44 degrees overnight... yea... I'm leaving in a second...

So... jealous...

I think lead would melt outside if left unattended for long here.

74 Gus  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 2:43:22pm

re: #70 MandyManners

Who has the license to practice law?

Don't know. Would have to look some more.

75 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 2:44:52pm

re: #74 Gus 802

Don't know. Would have to look some more.

It's bad legal advice. And, it makes her look incredibly petulant.

76 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 2:45:56pm

re: #67 Ojoe

And a Sicilian, if I remember correctly.

Don Vito Aquino

LOL

A Franciscan cardinal arrived in Heaven, inprocessed, got his harp and a seat in the correct choir. Total time, 3 beats of and angel's heart. Soon there was a loud fanfare, angels and saints went rushing to the gates, and a loud cheer went up. A Dominican monk had arrived to wild rejoicing. The Franciscan turned to a nearby Augustinian and said: "I don't mean to sound envious, but why the different reception for a Dominican?"

Augustinian: "We get so few."

77 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 2:46:17pm

re: #75 MandyManners

It's bad legal advice. And, it makes her look incredibly petulant.

Yeah, it's a losing strategy not only legally, but politically. It's a double fail on her part.

I'm not sure what she thought would happen after sending the cease and desist letter. In the age of the internet, you can't put the shit back in the horse. You only hurt yourself trying.

78 Irenicum  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 2:46:22pm

It is ironic that the ancient word apologia means almost the exact opposite of the modern word apology. I wonder when the change happened?

79 Gus  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 2:46:45pm

re: #75 MandyManners

It's bad legal advice. And, it makes her look incredibly petulant.

Yeah. It's pretty dumb. This is the way the game is played regarding internet archives. Unless it was password protected or copyrighted material she really has no case. Given that it's campaign related makes her quest for privacy nearly impossible.

80 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 2:48:35pm

re: #76 Decatur Deb

PIMF

and=an
monk=friar

81 Ojoe  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 2:48:53pm

BBL

82 Summer Seale  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 2:49:34pm

re: #78 Irenicum

It is ironic that the ancient word apologia means almost the exact opposite of the modern word apology. I wonder when the change happened?

It probably started around the time when a Mr. Galileo found out that there was a bit of reality sticking out of the philosophical ball of twine; he just started to pull gently at it, and it began to unravel ever since.

83 Gus  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 2:49:38pm

re: #75 MandyManners

It's bad legal advice. And, it makes her look incredibly petulant.

She used an attorney by the name of Kermtt L. Waters in a prior case she took to the courts.

Judge to consider Angle's challenge to petition law

84 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 2:50:53pm

re: #77 Fozzie Bear

Yeah, it's a losing strategy not only legally, but politically. It's a double fail on her part.

I'm not sure what she thought would happen after sending the cease and desist letter. In the age of the internet, you can't put the shit back in the horse. You only hurt yourself trying.

I have this image of her stomping her widdle foot.

85 tradewind  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 2:51:39pm

re: #77 Fozzie Bear
Starbucks has an entire legal staff on retainer devoted to searching the internet for any so-called infringement on their name, which they interpret as any business using the word ' star ' followed by one syllable. Their latest target is a mobile pet grooming service that calls itself Starbarks.

86 brookly red  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 2:52:10pm

OT: Hmmm, it seems that J. Christan Adams will be testifying tomorrow before U.S. Commission on Civil Rights. This should be interesting times on the internet, no?

87 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 2:52:24pm

re: #79 Gus 802

Yeah. It's pretty dumb. This is the way the game is played regarding internet archives. Unless it was password protected or copyrighted material she really has no case. Given that it's campaign related makes her quest for privacy nearly impossible.

Even if it were copyrighted, isn't there an exception based on mocking something?

88 cronus  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 2:52:43pm

I actually think TPM is taking some real license with their description of the nature of the cease and desist letter. I just read it and didn't seen any language related to republishing Angle's stated positions. The letter is regarding republishing a copyrighted website, the merit of which is basically affirmed by the Reid campaign taking the site down.

89 Gus  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 2:53:04pm

re: #87 MandyManners

Even if it were copyrighted, isn't there an exception based on mocking something?

Like fair use? Maybe, I really wouldn't know.

90 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 2:53:50pm

re: #83 Gus 802

She used an attorney by the name of Kermtt L. Waters in a prior case she took to the courts.

Judge to consider Angle's challenge to petition law

Thanks for that research.

91 allegro  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 2:53:59pm

re: #88 cronus

The letter is regarding republishing a copyrighted website, the merit of which is basically affirmed by the Reid campaign taking the site down.

It would seem that selected screen shots under "fair use" would have the same effect without infringing on copyright.

92 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 2:55:33pm

Bet that Reid's next ad features the letter. Maybe she copyrighted that, too.

93 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 2:56:20pm

re: #87 MandyManners

Even if it were copyrighted, isn't there an exception based on mocking something?

I don't think fair use applies to a commercial context. However, you can name a dog groomer "StarBarks" legally, with little fear, so long as it isn't also a cvoffee company, for instance. You get a bit more leeway if you are in a totally different market.

Of course, what is a winnable case matters little when most people settle anyway. Part of the reason tort law is so screwed up is that so few cases actually go to trial. Frivolous suits would be far, far less common if settlements were restricted in some way.

94 tradewind  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 2:57:03pm

Reid probably thinks that using her own website for quotes is safer than engaging in an open ' war of the quotes ', since he has a few out there that he undoubtedly doesn't want to have to revisit.

95 Ojoe  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 2:57:06pm

re: #87 MandyManners

isn't there an exception based on mocking something?

I think it is called parody.

96 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 2:57:20pm

re: #91 allegro

It would seem that selected screen shots under "fair use" would have the same effect without infringing on copyright.

Yes, they would. Angle has an incredibly weak case. Really, she has no case.

97 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 2:58:36pm

re: #93 Fozzie Bear

Next up: "Melville Estate Sues Starbucks."

98 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 2:58:52pm

re: #89 Gus 802

17 U.S.C. sec. 107:

Notwithstanding the provisions of sections 106 and 106A, the fair use of a copyrighted work, including such use by reproduction in copies or phonorecords or by any other means specified by that section, for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching (including multiple copies for classroom use), scholarship, or research, is not an infringement of copyright. In determining whether the use made of a work in any particular case is a fair use the factors to be considered shall include —

(1) the purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of a commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes;

(2) the nature of the copyrighted work;

(3) the amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole; and

(4) the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work.

The fact that a work is unpublished shall not itself bar a finding of fair use if such finding is made upon consideration of all the above factors.

99 tradewind  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 2:59:11pm

re: #93 Fozzie Bear
We could take a page from the Brits when it comes to having frivolous litigants pay for the cost of their idiocy.

100 cronus  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 2:59:16pm

re: #91 allegro

It would seem that selected screen shots under "fair use" would have the same effect without infringing on copyright.

I think that's probably right, same issue with using snippets of an opposing campaign's ads in your ads. But it seems like what Angle was claiming was that the entire site was being republished.

101 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 2:59:18pm

re: #93 Fozzie Bear

Frivolous suits would be far, far less common if settlements were restricted in some way.
How about "Loser Pays"

lets say you take me to court for something frivolous (i.e ,, you're Starbusks , and I name my dog grooming company Star Barks, as stated above)
The reason bigger companies do it sometimes is that they know the smaller one doesn't have the $$$ to pay for lawyers, court fees, ect and count on the smaller companies giving in BEFORE going to trial

IF the loser had to pay ALL legal fees then that would stop some (if not all) of it

102 Gus  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 2:59:46pm

re: #98 MandyManners

17 U.S.C. sec. 107:

There you go. Nice find.

Case closed! Maybe.

103 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 2:59:57pm

re: #95 Ojoe

I think it is called parody.

Criticism and comment in this case, I think.

104 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:00:16pm

re: #94 tradewind

Reid probably thinks that using her own website for quotes is safer than engaging in an open ' war of the quotes ', since he has a few out there that he undoubtedly doesn't want to have to revisit.

The craziest shit Reid has ever said pales in comparison to Angle's lunatic ravings, really.

Reid's a shady player, but most people understand that he isn't insane. This is why Angle's nomination so baffles me. Reid was guaranteed to lose, more or less, before Angle won the primary. Now the ball is back in play.

105 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:00:21pm

re: #93 Fozzie Bear

I don't think fair use applies to a commercial context. However, you can name a dog groomer "StarBarks" legally, with little fear, so long as it isn't also a cvoffee company, for instance. You get a bit more leeway if you are in a totally different market.

Of course, what is a winnable case matters little when most people settle anyway. Part of the reason tort law is so screwed up is that so few cases actually go to trial. Frivolous suits would be far, far less common if settlements were restricted in some way.

I think it does.

106 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:00:57pm

re: #99 tradewind

We could take a page from the Brits when it comes to having frivolous litigants pay for the cost of their idiocy.

Who determines what is "frivolous"?

107 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:01:01pm

re: #99 tradewind

We could take a page from the Brits when it comes to having frivolous litigants pay for the cost of their idiocy.

I wish we would. Or something. There are other ideas out there that could work, but that's one of the simpler ones.

108 Ojoe  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:01:11pm

Wiki article on fair use and parody.

Parody comes under fair use.

109 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:01:52pm

re: #106 MandyManners

Who determines what is "frivolous"?

Another lawsuit--"The Circle of Strife".

110 allegro  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:02:20pm

re: #108 Ojoe

Parody comes under fair use.

Using her own exact copy and arguing parody would be a novel, and rather hilarious, legal approach.

111 Mardukhai  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:02:30pm

I'm not sure what grounds she has to fight "fair use."

Reid isn't using it for commercial purposes, and the material is public information.

If I were a wingnut political consultant, I would tell her to change the subject.

112 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:02:34pm

re: #101 sattv4u2

Frivolous suits would be far, far less common if settlements were restricted in some way.
How about "Loser Pays"

lets say you take me to court for something frivolous (i.e ,, you're Starbusks , and I name my dog grooming company Star Barks, as stated above)
The reason bigger companies do it sometimes is that they know the smaller one doesn't have the $$$ to pay for lawyers, court fees, ect and count on the smaller companies giving in BEFORE going to trial

IF the loser had to pay ALL legal fees then that would stop some (if not all) of it

It's already that way in many ways. You can counter sue for expenses, and if you win, you generally get the expenses.

The problem is that means you are out ALOT of money in the meantime. Most people can't afford that, and so they settle out of fear, and out of an inability to mount a defense for long enough to prevail.

113 tradewind  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:02:38pm

re: #106 MandyManners
Under British law, it's ' the loser '.
Tends to make them choose their battles more wisely than our ' go for the third ' system here.

114 Ojoe  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:03:02pm

There is a nickname for Starbucks, because of their propensity for dark roasts:

Charbucks.

BBL

115 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:03:22pm

re: #112 Fozzie Bear

It's already that way in many ways. You can counter sue for expenses, and if you win, you generally get the expenses.

The problem is that means you are out ALOT of money in the meantime. Most people can't afford that, and so they settle out of fear, and out of an inability to mount a defense for long enough to prevail.

umm,, thats what I said ,, no ??

116 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:03:32pm

re: #102 Gus 802

There you go. Nice find.

Case closed! Maybe.

I'd like to know the reasoning behind the decision to send that letter.

117 tradewind  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:03:40pm

re: #104 Fozzie Bear
They should have stuck with Lowden.

118 tradewind  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:04:19pm

re: #114 Ojoe
Gahhhhrbucks.
Yeah, I'm that big a coffee snob.

119 Mardukhai  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:04:36pm

re: #116 MandyManners

Ditto. Maybe she is just plain hopping mad -- as well as crazy.

120 Linden Arden  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:04:53pm

I am thankful for the EPA.

I am thankful for the CDC.

I am thankful for the FDA.

Technology has overtaken us. Drugs, Disease, and Environment should NOT be left to libertarians!!!!

hey - but I am a crazy fucking liberal to Sharron Angle!

121 Gus  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:05:00pm

Music fair use case in political advertising:

Fair use. A person running for political office used 15 seconds of his opponent's campaign song in a political ad. Important factors: A small portion of the song was used and the purpose was for purposes of political debate. (Keep Thomson Governor Comm. v. Citizens for Gallen Comm., 457 F. Supp. 957 (D. N.H. 1978).)

122 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:05:06pm

re: #105 MandyManners

I think it does.

What I mean is that you can quote, parody, mock, etc all you want if you aren't doing it for profit.

If I were to open a "Stirbucks" coffee shop with a similar logo, however, it's not parody or commentary, it's misappropriating another brand.

123 tradewind  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:05:06pm

re: #116 MandyManners
Nothing ventured. You can always run it up the flagpole and see if anyone salutes. In this case, it looks like they did a half dip./

124 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:05:22pm

I'm not sure is my boss needs me more then I need my boss. But the the fact he didn't fire ne today speaks volumes.

125 lawhawk  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:05:38pm

re: #93 Fozzie Bear

The cost of lawsuits and trial are so expensive that people settle to avoid the possible outcomes. It's why so many suits actually settle as the parties go to trial, and even after the jury is seated. In fact, 90% of trials go to settlement - and that include criminal trials. The certainty of a settlement is comforting rather than the uncertainty of a trial where anything can happen and the facts are such that no one knows what would happen.

126 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:05:43pm

re: #115 sattv4u2

umm,, thats what I said ,, no ??

I never suggested you did. Relax.

127 Ojoe  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:05:47pm

re: #118 tradewind

Too many frivolous drinks at Charbucks.

BBL really.

128 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:05:56pm

re: #111 Mardukhai

I'm not sure what grounds she has to fight "fair use."

Reid isn't using it for commercial purposes, and the material is public information.

If I were a wingnut political consultant, I would tell her to change the subject.

Except for libel, if we allowed candidates to sue over the opposing campaigns' tactics, our election seasons would be very boring.

129 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:06:02pm

re: #116 MandyManners

I'd like to know the reasoning behind the decision to send that letter.

It was earlydawn, the pills and booze had worn off. The coffee hadn't kicked in. Then the damn dog barked.....

130 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:06:19pm

re: #126 Fozzie Bear

I never suggested you did. Relax.

umm, who says I'm not?

131 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:06:55pm

re: #126 Fozzie Bear

I never suggested you did. Relax.

Err...

Read that wrong. I suppose you did, but there is the issue of determining the loser before trial, which is of course impossible.

132 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:06:59pm

re: #113 tradewind

Under British law, it's ' the loser '.
Tends to make them choose their battles more wisely than our ' go for the third ' system here.

It sounds as if every suit is frivolous under that scheme because there will always be winners and losers in court.

133 Mardukhai  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:07:23pm

It takes Starbucks coffee is as long as as eight months to pass through the company's distribution system. Go to a fresh roaster, one that understands proper heat and timing profiles -- you'll be amazed.

I use an old Poppery II to roast my coffee. Much better than Starbucks, and cheaper!

134 Stanghazi  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:07:31pm

re: #124 Cannadian Club Akbar

I'm not sure is my boss needs me more then I need my boss. But the the fact he didn't fire ne today speaks volumes.

Oh do tell!

135 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:08:23pm

re: #119 Mardukhai

Ditto. Maybe she is just plain hopping mad -- as well as crazy.

Or, maybe the attorney is churning fees.

136 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:08:30pm

re: #124 Cannadian Club Akbar

If = is, pimf

137 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:09:08pm

re: #131 Fozzie Bear

Err...

Read that wrong. I suppose you did, but there is the issue of determining the loser before trial, which is of course impossible.

I never stated that determination could nor should be made. What I did say is that knowing that even if the small company "wins", they will still be out of pocket for (possibly) years before they can re-sue for the expense of the 1st trial

IF that 1st trial ended up with an auto 'loser pays" the small business wouldn't have to worry about it

138 Irenicum  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:09:19pm

re: #85 tradewind

So I guess I shouldn't open a brothel and call it Starf**ks?

139 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:09:27pm

re: #125 lawhawk

The cost of lawsuits and trial are so expensive that people settle to avoid the possible outcomes. It's why so many suits actually settle as the parties go to trial, and even after the jury is seated. In fact, 90% of trials go to settlement - and that include criminal trials. The certainty of a settlement is comforting rather than the uncertainty of a trial where anything can happen and the facts are such that no one knows what would happen.

It's a shame, because it reduces the court system to a sort of economic warfare. If you know the opposing party has limited funds, just do what you can to drag the proceedings out as long as possible, and you will win.

140 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:09:53pm

re: #121 Gus 802

Music fair use case in political advertising:

The amount of the song used makes me wonder if there isn't a point on Angle's side if Reid's campaign used the entire Web site.

141 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:10:00pm

re: #138 Irenicum

So I guess I shouldn't open a brothel and call it Starf**ks?

I would LOVE to see them sue over that !

142 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:10:33pm

re: #137 sattv4u2

I never stated that determination could nor should be made. What I did say is that knowing that even if the small company "wins", they will still be out of pocket for (possibly) years before they can re-sue for the expense of the 1st trial

IF that 1st trial ended up with an auto 'loser pays" the small business wouldn't have to worry about it

They would still have to be able to weather the costs of proceedings up until the point that a determination of who the loser is can be made, which can be prohibitive.

143 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:10:51pm

re: #134 Stanley Sea

Oh do tell!

I showed up for work, Drunk.

144 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:10:57pm

re: #122 Fozzie Bear

What I mean is that you can quote, parody, mock, etc all you want if you aren't doing it for profit.

If I were to open a "Stirbucks" coffee shop with a similar logo, however, it's not parody or commentary, it's misappropriating another brand.

And stay away from anything remotely similar to Disney.

145 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:10:59pm

re: #138 Irenicum

re: #141 sattv4u2

I would LOVE to see them sue over that !

"Yopur honor,, the brothels name infers that our coffeee ,,, ummm,,,errr,,, ahhn,,,welll,,, ummmm,,,"

146 Stanghazi  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:11:44pm

re: #143 Cannadian Club Akbar

I showed up for work, Drunk.

Holy shit.

147 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:11:47pm

re: #123 tradewind

Nothing ventured. You can always run it up the flagpole and see if anyone salutes. In this case, it looks like they did a half dip./

Well, her side looks childish right now. Bad cost-benefit analysis happened.

148 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:12:00pm

re: #124 Cannadian Club Akbar

I'm not sure is my boss needs me more then I need my boss. But the the fact he didn't fire ne today speaks volumes.

Didja' burn the peas?

149 Lidane  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:12:17pm

Somewhere out there, Harry Reid's political team are sending Sharron Angle a fruit basket and some flowers for making their job that much easier.

150 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:12:22pm

re: #142 Fozzie Bear

They would still have to be able to weather the costs of proceedings up until the point that a determination of who the loser is can be made, which can be prohibitive.

Not necessarily. In cases such as that lawyers would take things on contingency knowing they will be paid in the end no matter what

151 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:12:25pm

re: #143 Cannadian Club Akbar

You have a good boss, or a great reason.

152 freetoken  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:12:27pm

OT: The wanna-be-TS is moving onshore west of NOLA:
[Link: radar.weather.gov...]

And there is a disturbance SE of the Yucatan which may develop into a tropical storm.

The weather keeps interrupting cleanup operations:
[Link: www.kake.com...]

153 lawhawk  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:12:48pm

The way I see it, Angle's claims don't hold water because the site she published was her public positions on those issues. If they fairly indicate her position (and they were on her website so that would be a given) - then Reid's defense is bullet proof.

Some background on fair use.

154 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:12:54pm

re: #129 Decatur Deb

It was earlydawn, the pills and booze had worn off. The coffee hadn't kicked in. Then the damn dog barked...

Is that you, Hunter?

155 Linden Arden  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:12:55pm

re: #143 Cannadian Club Akbar

CC and Seven!

156 brookly red  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:13:23pm

re: #151 Decatur Deb

You have a good boss, or a great reason.

or a cautious HR dept...

157 Gus  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:13:25pm

re: #140 MandyManners

The amount of the song used makes me wonder if there isn't a point on Angle's side if Reid's campaign used the entire Web site.

Possibly. Apparently a "copied version" of her website was taken down. I never saw that. There is this site which just uses quotes:

Sharron Angle's Underground Bunker

Found here.

158 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:14:32pm

re: #139 Fozzie Bear

It's a shame, because it reduces the court system to a sort of economic warfare. If you know the opposing party has limited funds, just do what you can to drag the proceedings out as long as possible, and you will win.

In civil court, it is about economics.

159 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:14:54pm

re: #143 Cannadian Club Akbar

I showed up for work, Drunk.

Dude. Not good.

160 Mardukhai  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:14:57pm

YouTube let Warner Bros. violate Fair Use a few weeks ago when they removed a viral video from LatmaTV called "We Con the World" about the Gaza Flotilla. The lyrics were a parody of "We Are the World" -- entirely legal, but YouTube took it down.

(They have allowed mirrors to repost it. It's very funny.)

161 Gus  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:14:59pm

Oops. D'oh!

The attorney's name is right here:

[Link: www.talkingpointsmemo.com...]

Marc E. Elias

162 Gus  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:15:41pm

re: #161 Gus 802

Oops. D'oh!

The attorney's name is right here:

[Link: www.talkingpointsmemo.com...]

Marc E. Elias

Oops again! BRB

163 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:15:46pm

Bacon Lettuce Tomato and Cheese on a warm French roll, at work alone on a VERY slow day, playing on LGF 3 days before I leave for the beach

Life is Good

164 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:16:24pm

re: #159 MandyManners

Dude. Not good.

I know.

165 tradewind  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:16:33pm

re: #104 Fozzie Bear
He can do nutcase when he wants to:
Here he is spreading flu panic...

“This flu is going to strike us all, me, my children, my grandchildren, and if they get it, half of them are going to die.”

[Link: thinkexist.com...]

166 Gus  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:16:49pm

Her attorney for this is Cleta Mitchell.

167 brookly red  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:16:53pm

re: #143 Cannadian Club Akbar

I showed up for work, Drunk.

no, are you sure it wasn't the cold medication?

168 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:17:47pm

re: #143 Cannadian Club Akbar

I showed up for work, Drunk.

My boss never knew I drank till I showed up for work one day sober!!

//

169 tradewind  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:17:48pm

re: #143 Cannadian Club Akbar
Canadian Club? Ak... barf!
You lucked out.... no do-overs, please!

170 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:17:52pm

re: #157 Gus 802

Possibly. Apparently a "copied version" of her website was taken down. I never saw that. There is this site which just uses quotes:

Sharron Angle's Underground Bunker

Found here.

Oh, well. That's a bit different.

While Reid's campaign said the cease and desist letter amounted to a frivolous lawsuit threat, the copied version of Angle's former website had been taken down on Monday.

Why take it down if it's not a violation of copyright?

171 Irenicum  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:17:57pm

re: #138 Irenicum

Our motto at Starf**ks would be: They do the brewing, we do the screwing.

172 A Man for all Seasons  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:18:25pm

re: #143 Cannadian Club Akbar

I showed up for work, Drunk.

WTF? Never do that..Call in sick or something...

173 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:18:37pm

re: #160 Mardukhai

YouTube let Warner Bros. violate Fair Use a few weeks ago when they removed a viral video from LatmaTV called "We Con the World" about the Gaza Flotilla. The lyrics were a parody of "We Are the World" -- entirely legal, but YouTube took it down.

(They have allowed mirrors to repost it. It's very funny.)

Under pressure or threats by the Flotilla folks?

174 tradewind  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:18:47pm

re: #138 Irenicum
I think Heidi Fleiss already did that one./

175 Gus  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:19:08pm

re: #170 MandyManners

Why take it down if it's not a violation of copyright?

Her attorney's argument is here:

[Link: www.talkingpointsmemo.com...]

176 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:19:30pm

re: #161 Gus 802

Oops. D'oh!

The attorney's name is right here:

[Link: www.talkingpointsmemo.com...]

Marc E. Elias

Perkins Cole, eh? Those folks are not stupid.

177 Irenicum  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:19:41pm

re: #174 tradewind

Yeah, but my baristas would be fine.

178 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:20:10pm

re: #160 Mardukhai

YouTube let Warner Bros. violate Fair Use a few weeks ago when they removed a viral video from LatmaTV called "We Con the World" about the Gaza Flotilla. The lyrics were a parody of "We Are the World" -- entirely legal, but YouTube took it down.

(They have allowed mirrors to repost it. It's very funny.)

Huh? Youtube can remove whatever they want from their network for whatever reason they want, or no reason whatsover. That's not a violation of fair use.

179 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:20:16pm

re: #164 Cannadian Club Akbar

I know.

Time to cut back?

180 Gus  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:20:17pm

re: #176 MandyManners

Perkins Cole, eh? Those folks are not stupid.

That's the Reid attorney. I made a mistake.

181 Mardukhai  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:20:26pm

re: #173 MandyManners

Under pressure or threats by the Flotilla folks?

No, Warner Bros. who own "We Are The World."

(The video is Israeli, but it has a great Springsteen and Dylan impressionist.)

182 blueraven  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:20:37pm

re: #164 Cannadian Club Akbar

I know.

It was a mistake. You know it. Your boss didn't fire you, which as you say, speaks volumes. I am sure you must feel awful, but don't be too hard on yourself.

183 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:20:55pm

re: #166 Gus 802

Her attorney for this is Cleta Mitchell.

Is Elias advising her?

184 Mardukhai  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:21:25pm

re: #178 WindUpBird

They said it was removed after a complaint from Warner Bros.

185 Gus  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:21:25pm

re: #183 MandyManners

Is Elias advising her?

Cleta Mitchell

186 tradewind  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:21:32pm

re: #152 freetoken
Oh great. Not enough that there may be oil by the time I get back to the beach next weekend, it'll be crappy weather too.....

187 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:21:54pm

re: #181 Mardukhai

No, Warner Bros. who own "We Are The World."

(The video is Israeli, but it has a great Springsteen and Dylan impressionist.)

And Warner Bros probably has a stronge brusiness relationship witn Youtube than LatmaTV. Not a violation of fair use.

This is like those guys who get banned from a web forum and then claim FREE SPEECH SPEECH!!11

188 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:22:05pm

re: #179 MandyManners

Time to cut back?

All is fine.

189 Mardukhai  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:23:25pm

re: #187 WindUpBird

Disagree. It violates their own terms of use. But as they allowed other people to repost it, the issue was merely embarrassing.

190 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:23:25pm

re: #184 Mardukhai

They said it was removed after a complaint from Warner Bros.

Yeah. And they can do that.


NOT A

VIOLATION

OF

FAIR USE.

It's their network. They can do whatever they want. If Warner Bros told them to remove every video that started with the letter W, and Youtube/Google did, they're still not violating fair use. It's their website.

Did Warner Bros sue LatmaTV themselves?

191 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:23:47pm

re: #188 Cannadian Club Akbar

All is fine.

All is Bright!

(wha,, too early !?!?!)

192 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:23:48pm

re: #186 tradewind

Oh great. Not enough that there may be oil by the time I get back to the beach next weekend, it'll be crappy weather too...

Daughter wants to take the kids to St Andrews Park. I told her to hurry.

193 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:24:31pm

re: #189 Mardukhai

Disagree. It violates their own terms of use. But as they allowed other people to repost it, the issue was merely embarrassing.

Now you're moving the goalposts.

Fair use= legal term, actional

194 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:25:18pm

re: #180 Gus 802

That's the Reid attorney. I made a mistake.

Thanks for clarifying that. I was a wee bit confused.

195 Mardukhai  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:25:27pm

The mirror of We Con the World.

196 darthstar  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:25:34pm

Hey kids...best laid plans time...wanted to get an early start this morning to beat the holiday traffic, but you know how stopping in to say good-bye to family goes...soon it was 11am and traffic was at a stand-still throughout South Lake Tahoe. So we decided to have lunch and try taking off after 1pm. One hour of stop and go and two miles later, I said, "How about we leave tomorrow around 6:00 or 6:30 am instead? So it's back at my sister's house, then to a friend's for dinner.

Hope everyone else is enjoying their holiday break.

197 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:25:51pm

re: #181 Mardukhai

No, Warner Bros. who own "We Are The World."

(The video is Israeli, but it has a great Springsteen and Dylan impressionist.)

Alouette posted it during the flotilla and I think Charles did a thread about it.

198 Gus  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:26:04pm

re: #194 MandyManners

Thanks for clarifying that. I was a wee bit confused.

Yeah. My fault. I posted the wrong attorney at first.

199 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:26:42pm

re: #188 Cannadian Club Akbar

All is fine.

Just don't do it again!

200 A Man for all Seasons  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:27:00pm

re: #196 darthstar

Hey kids...best laid plans time...wanted to get an early start this morning to beat the holiday traffic, but you know how stopping in to say good-bye to family goes...soon it was 11am and traffic was at a stand-still throughout South Lake Tahoe. So we decided to have lunch and try taking off after 1pm. One hour of stop and go and two miles later, I said, "How about we leave tomorrow around 6:00 or 6:30 am instead? So it's back at my sister's house, then to a friend's for dinner.

Hope everyone else is enjoying their holiday break.

I effen hate the traffic around south lake...Why does everyone go there for the holidays?

201 tradewind  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:27:28pm

re: #192 Decatur Deb
I was down there a few weeks ago just for a couple of days to check it out and report back to my Dad, but there was nothing.... it was gorgeous. Pristine beaches like always. But Pensacola's got it, and we're about an hour east.... so it can't be far off. Hope it's not going to be too bad a hit.
I heard they closed Orange Beach.

202 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:27:35pm

re: #190 WindUpBird

Yeah. And they can do that.


NOT A

VIOLATION

OF

FAIR USE.

It's their network. They can do whatever they want. If Warner Bros told them to remove every video that started with the letter W, and Youtube/Google did, they're still not violating fair use. It's their website.

Did Warner Bros sue LatmaTV themselves?

Why are you getting so upset about this?

203 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:27:47pm

re: #199 MandyManners

Just don't do it again!

I never drove.

204 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:27:59pm

re: #200 HoosierHoops

I effen hate the traffic around south lake...Why does everyone go there for the holidays?

ummm, because the hotels at Gitmo aren't ready yet !?!?!
//

205 tradewind  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:28:37pm

re: #196 darthstar
You tried driving in South Shore over the 4th... lol......
I remember. In-laws at Incline, which was the other side but still packed.

206 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:28:56pm

re: #198 Gus 802

Yeah. My fault. I posted the wrong attorney at first.

IIRC, Perkins Coie came up during the kerfuffle over BHO's czars.

207 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:29:13pm

re: #201 tradewind

I was down there a few weeks ago just for a couple of days to check it out and report back to my Dad, but there was nothing... it was gorgeous. Pristine beaches like always. But Pensacola's got it, and we're about an hour east... so it can't be far off. Hope it's not going to be too bad a hit.
I heard they closed Orange Beach.

PCB is getting "significant" tar balls, no slick on the beaches yet.

208 wrenchwench  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:29:20pm

re: #203 Cannadian Club Akbar

I never drove.

Did you sober up at work or get sent home? Or are you still drunk? And still at work?

209 tradewind  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:29:23pm

re: #200 HoosierHoops
Craps.
Roulette.
Slots.
Etc.

210 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:29:27pm

re: #203 Cannadian Club Akbar

I never drove.

That's not the point. That shit'll get you caned!

211 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:29:41pm

re: #210 MandyManners

That's not the point. That shit'll get you caned!

Uh, canned.

212 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:30:00pm

re: #210 MandyManners

That's not the point. That shit'll get you caned!

caned! OH MY GOD ,, Sharia Law !!!

213 Mardukhai  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:30:02pm

re: #202 MandyManners

Thanks Mandy.

214 darthstar  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:30:05pm

re: #200 HoosierHoops

I effen hate the traffic around south lake...Why does everyone go there for the holidays?

80 degrees, sunny, big cold lake, snow-capped mountains, and casinos. By the way, I'm ahead 120 bucks on blackjack for the weekend (not counting my minimal Keno and slot play...but still up).

215 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:30:07pm

Or, it might get you caned in Singapore. No, wait. That's graffiti.

216 tradewind  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:30:16pm

re: #207 Decatur Deb
Oh great, then we're toast. Not as far east as PCB.
I remember some spills in the past, one from a tanker, one from hurricane, tar balls, but cleaned up in a jiff. Nothing like this .

217 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:30:22pm

re: #208 wrenchwench

Sent home.

218 A Man for all Seasons  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:30:22pm

re: #205 tradewind

You tried driving in South Shore over the 4th... lol...
I remember. In-laws at Incline, which was the other side but still packed.

One time I was there on just a normal weekend..Fricking traffic! Just the worst

219 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:30:24pm

re: #202 MandyManners

Why are you getting so upset about this?

Not upset, just emphasizing a very very simple concept that people constantly get wrong despite being on the internet and surrounded by these concepts every day.

On LGF, everyone talks in complete sentences and tends not to use caps unless they're FURIOUS!!111

Where I hang out on the internet, it's a little different. Emphasis does not equal upset.

220 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:30:34pm

re: #212 sattv4u2

caned! OH MY GOD ,, Sharia Law !!!

I thought that called for stoning.

221 tradewind  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:30:43pm

re: #211 MandyManners
Caned works too./

222 Irenicum  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:30:48pm

re: #203 Cannadian Club Akbar

CCA, Dude, I went through your situation years ago once and thankfully had a boss like yours. Let this be a wake up call.

223 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:30:58pm

re: #213 Mardukhai

Thanks Mandy.

Made me scratch my head.

224 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:31:11pm

re: #220 MandyManners

I thought that called for stoning.

nahh ,, they don't allow pot smoking either!

225 wrenchwench  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:31:12pm

re: #217 Cannadian Club Akbar

Sent home.

OK, boss is nice but not dumb.

226 Mardukhai  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:31:35pm

re: #223 MandyManners

Me too.

227 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:31:48pm

re: #213 Mardukhai

Thanks Mandy.

haha is this where the old guard tries to suss me out as an anti-semite because I get tired of people who don't understand what fair use means? :D

228 A Man for all Seasons  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:32:07pm

re: #209 tradewind

Craps.
Roulette.
Slots.
Etc.

Well there is that...:)

229 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:32:09pm

re: #223 MandyManners

Made me scratch my head.

yes, because your judgement is very accurate, always

230 tradewind  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:32:14pm

re: #208 wrenchwench
Nosy sumbitch, aren't you...//
(just kidding)

231 [deleted]  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:32:14pm
232 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:32:21pm

re: #226 Mardukhai

Me too.

Yepyep, come on, bring it son

233 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:32:54pm

re: #227 WindUpBird

haha is this where the old guard tries to suss me out as an anti-semite because I get tired of people who don't understand what fair use means? :D

WTF? No one accused you of hating Jews. You're the one who brought that up just now.

234 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:33:03pm

re: #227 WindUpBird

haha is this where the old guard tries to suss me out as an anti-semite because I get tired of people who don't understand what fair use means? :D

ummm,,,, what does o0ne have to do with the other!?!?!

235 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:33:09pm

Melt down.

236 darthstar  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:33:31pm

re: #218 HoosierHoops

One time I was there on just a normal weekend..Fricking traffic! Just the worst

re: #205 tradewind

You tried driving in South Shore over the 4th... lol...
I remember. In-laws at Incline, which was the other side but still packed.

Oh, I know better. And I know the back roads around here, as my brother and sister both have houses up here. I just made the mistake of thinking I could allow us to have a morning hike, say good bye to family, and still make it down the mountain ahead of traffic.

237 Political Atheist  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:33:32pm

I have to admit I'm a bit bummed. Not only are all personal items like plants banned from our , umm garden style courtyard, but the re finishing work closed the pool and courtyard for the two weeks bracketing July 4th. Power tools galore all day long. No pool, no courtyard to hang out in. No plants, all concrete and fiberglass patches. I can not believe they scheduled all this work for this week. So much for a sunny staycation.

To spoil ourselves inside I'm cooking up seafood. Greek salad. Scallops & champagne marinated shrimp sauteed with green onions and fresh garlic.

Then cocktails. It's not a work night.

238 brookly red  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:33:45pm

re: #234 sattv4u2

ummm,,, what does o0ne have to do with the other!?!?!

Hmmmm?

239 wrenchwench  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:34:04pm

re: #230 tradewind

Nosy sumbitch, aren't you...//
(just kidding)

Two sarc tags and a "just kidding". Is that extra passive aggressive?

240 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:34:08pm

re: #233 MandyManners

WTF? No one accused you of hating Jews. You're the one who brought that up just now.

No no, you'd never say that! You'll just say "hmm! I'm scratching my head! It's all very curious!"

I know the game, lady. Don't even worry about it.

241 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:34:15pm

re: #235 MandyManners

Melt down.

lol

242 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:34:22pm

I an certainly not a prick. but this gulf mess has me in a bit of a mess...

243 windsagio  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:34:45pm

re: #219 WindUpBird

Its like how Charles is totally violating peoples right to free speech when he bans racist nutbars.

Hint: Its his site, he can do what he wants. Youtube is the same.

244 Irenicum  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:34:49pm

re: #237 Rightwingconspirator

That sounds amazing. Damn it, now I'm hungry again!

245 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:34:56pm

re: #234 sattv4u2

ummm,,, what does o0ne have to do with the other!?!?!

Gosh,,,, I don''''t knoOw :D

246 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:35:38pm

WUB ,,,if you're having a bad day, perhaps you should log off

If you're not having a bad day, you do seem to be itching for a confrontation for some reason

Either way, think about it

247 A Man for all Seasons  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:35:49pm

re: #214 darthstar

80 degrees, sunny, big cold lake, snow-capped mountains, and casinos. By the way, I'm ahead 120 bucks on blackjack for the weekend (not counting my minimal Keno and slot play...but still up).

LOL
I hear ya bro..I'm a Napa Valley boy...I know the area and it's always nice chatting with another California boy...

248 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:35:52pm

re: #243 windsagio

Its like how Charles is totally violating peoples right to free speech when he bans racist nutbars.

Hint: Its his site, he can do what he wants. Youtube is the same.

Check out the on-the-sly MMM CONCERNED in the last few messages from the oldsters in this thread, it's good times here :D

249 tradewind  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:36:03pm

re: #236 darthstar
Ever get behind one of those people who looks out their car window over the side and freezes, then slows to 5 mph in a panic attack?
That'll slow you down allright....

250 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:36:10pm

re: #240 WindUpBird

No no, you'd never say that! You'll just say "hmm! I'm scratching my head! It's all very curious!"

I know the game, lady. Don't even worry about it.

I never said the second part of your first sentence so don't put words into my mouth. And, even if I had, how would one get an accusation of anti-Semitism out of it?

251 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:36:15pm

re: #246 sattv4u2

WUB ,,,if you're having a bad day, perhaps you should log off

If you're not having a bad day, you do seem to be itching for a confrontation for some reason

Either way, think about it

And another very concerned person enters the arena, lol

252 Gus  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:36:16pm

re: #206 MandyManners

IIRC, Perkins Coie came up during the kerfuffle over BHO's czars.

Robert Bauer as Chief White House Counsel?

He was with Perkins Coie. Don't know his current status. That a Web Archive link.

253 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:36:18pm

re: #245 WindUpBird

Gosh,,, I don'''t knoOw :D

Thansk God you've NEVER made a typo ,,, re-see #246

254 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:36:26pm

re: #242 Cannadian Club Akbar

An=Am, pimf

255 Irenicum  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:36:33pm

re: #242 Cannadian Club Akbar

You're not alone in that. Believe me. But don't let it get to you.

256 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:36:36pm

re: #250 MandyManners

I never said the second part of your first sentence so don't put words into my mouth. And, even if I had, how would one get an accusation of anti-Semitism out of it?

We know the game, we've been doing this internet thing a long time :)

257 Irenicum  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:37:18pm

re: #254 Cannadian Club Akbar

My nic is blue if you'd like to talk.

258 windsagio  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:37:19pm

re: #248 WindUpBird

I should really read up and figure out what the actual subject is.

What did Youtube pull?

(Altho' I admit I'm pisst they keep blocking the sound on Yacht Rock #3).

Same ol' tho' :p

259 brookly red  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:38:15pm

re: #256 WindUpBird

We know the game, we've been doing this internet thing a long time :)

I thought it was snark on the term fair usage, but hey why not just explain?

260 tradewind  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:38:41pm

Laytah.

261 Lidane  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:39:40pm

BBL. Groceries are needed, and so is dinner.

262 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:39:47pm

re: #258 windsagio

I should really read up and figure out what the actual subject is.

What did Youtube pull?

(Altho' I admit I'm pisst they keep blocking the sound on Yacht Rock #3).

Same ol' tho' :p

Youtube took down that Israeli floatilla parody on warner bros. advice. Which they're allowed to do. Because Youtube can take down whatever they like.

Some dude who doesn't understand anything about fair use tried to claim it was a violation of fair use, AKA legally actionable. Me being someone whose job is to know how fair use works on the internet, I challenge him. He moves goal posts. I facepalm. And then the old guard comes in and goes VERY CURIOUS CIRCLE THE WAGONS ISRAELI WHEE

The more ya know :D

263 Surabaya Stew  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:39:52pm

Ire: #138 Irenicum

So I guess I shouldn't open a brothel and call it Starf**ks?

Ironically, I'm at starbucks right now! Sounds more interesting than my grande iced coffee....

264 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:40:04pm

re: #259 brookly red

I thought it was snark on the term fair usage, but hey why not just explain?

Already did :)

265 freetoken  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:40:27pm

This headline should make LVQ cringe:


Dutch Agency Admits Mistake in Climate Report

OMG! A mistake!

So, what was it?

The Dutch agency accepted responsibility for one mistake by the IPCC when it reported in 2005 that 55 percent of the Netherlands is below sea level, when only 26 percent is. The report should have said 55 percent is prone to flooding, including river flooding.

And yet, watch this AP headline get bantered around the denial-o-sphere as some great issue with the IPCC, when indeed it was a simple error that was sent to the IPCC authors my the Dutch agency.

Who writes these AP headlines?

266 Irenicum  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:40:34pm

re: #263 Surabaya Stew

And at my place you'd have a latte fun!

267 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:40:41pm

re: #252 Gus 802

Robert Bauer as Chief White House Counsel?

He was with Perkins Coie. Don't know his current status. That a Web Archive link.

Bauer and someone else, I think.

268 brookly red  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:41:04pm

re: #264 WindUpBird

Already did :)

just read it...

269 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:41:17pm

re: #268 brookly red

just read it...

The more you know!

270 windsagio  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:41:19pm

re: #262 WindUpBird

Should have known lol.


It is 'curiouser and curiouser!'

271 Gus  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:41:32pm

So it looks like this is also a pissing match between Marc E. Elias (attorney for Reid and with Perkin Coie which is a big Democratic Party law firm) and Cleta Mitchell (attorney for Angle and with Foley & Lardner LLP which is a big K-Street - Republican - law firm).

272 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:41:39pm

re: #270 windsagio

Should have known lol.

It is 'curiouser and curiouser!'

It's the usual shit from the usual people, yeah :D

273 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:41:43pm

re: #262 WindUpBird

Youtube took down that Israeli floatilla parody on warner bros. advice. Which they're allowed to do. Because Youtube can take down whatever they like.

Some dude who doesn't understand anything about fair use tried to claim it was a violation of fair use, AKA legally actionable. Me being someone whose job is to know how fair use works on the internet, I challenge him. He moves goal posts. I facepalm. And then the old guard comes in and goes VERY CURIOUS CIRCLE THE WAGONS ISRAELI WHEE

The more ya know :D

YOU were the one who brought up the anti-Semitism shit. No one else.

274 A Man for all Seasons  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:41:55pm

re: #263 Surabaya Stew

I

Ironically, I'm at starbucks right now! Sounds more interesting than my grande iced coffee...

Dang you..could you grab me a Hazelnut Latte?

275 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:42:00pm

re: #273 MandyManners

YOU were the one who brought up the anti-Semitism shit. No one else.

We know the game :)

276 Irenicum  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:42:06pm

re: #265 freetoken

I saw that earlier on my news feed. My thoughts exactly. The denial industry will eat this up.

277 brookly red  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:42:08pm

re: #269 WindUpBird

The more you know!

ehh

278 darthstar  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:42:20pm

re: #249 tradewind

Ever get behind one of those people who looks out their car window over the side and freezes, then slows to 5 mph in a panic attack?
That'll slow you down allright...

The problem is that there are about 5,000 cars with those kinds of drivers in them right now. Saturday night we went to Harrah's for dinner at Friday's Station (18 oz bone-in cowboy-cut rib-eye for me, thank you very much)...the casino floor was a zoo of young people (20 somethings) flashing their tramp-tats, and the casinos were accommodating the lowest common denominator by airing extreme cage fighting on the screens around the place, so the "Tapout" types(the guys who actually buy t-shirts with that logo on it) were posturing and shouting at the screens, while the few families who were still out trying to get their kids from the arcade connecting Harrah's and Harvey's were gingerly trying to navigate the throng. Fortunately, we decided to get a house for Saturday and Sunday nights, and checked out of the hotel that morning. One of my brothers was booked at Mont Bleu and said it was so loud all night he and his wife pitched sleeping bags at my sister's house last night instead.

I like the lake, but 4th of July weekend is a pain in the ass, except it's my mother's birthday, so we tend to gather here for it.

279 windsagio  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:42:54pm

I should add, WUB doesn't have an antisemitic bone in his body, but he's totally racist towards the Igbo people (but only the Igbo, long story!)

280 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:42:55pm

I'm dropping this rope.

281 Gus  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:43:03pm

re: #267 MandyManners

Bauer and someone else, I think.

The Bauer memo regarding Joe Sestak, Clinton and the alleged White House job for Sestak?

282 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:43:07pm

re: #274 HoosierHoops

Dang you..could you grab me a Hazelnut Latte?

Hazel's not late--she's in back with a client.

283 freetoken  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:43:23pm

re: #276 Irenicum

I saw that earlier on my news feed. My thoughts exactly. The denial industry will eat this up.

Yeah, but it is such a stupid headline, which is written to suggest something which isn't true. (Gasp!)

284 windsagio  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:43:50pm

re: #273 MandyManners

Thats why he mentioned 'the game'. People love to imply and imply and insinuate and hint, but don't have the cojones to say things outright.

Its a bad habit.

285 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:44:06pm

re: #281 Gus 802

The Bauer memo regarding Joe Sestak, Clinton and the alleged White House job for Sestak?

Oh, no. This was ages ago.

286 Irenicum  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:44:09pm

re: #283 freetoken

What, a headline that distorts??? Say it ain't so!!!

287 Gus  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:44:20pm

re: #265 freetoken

This headline should make LVQ cringe:

Dutch Agency Admits Mistake in Climate Report

OMG! A mistake!

So, what was it?

And yet, watch this AP headline get bantered around the denial-o-sphere as some great issue with the IPCC, when indeed it was a simple error that was sent to the IPCC authors my the Dutch agency.

Who writes these AP headlines?

Don't they use freelance writers?

288 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:44:23pm

Don't engage the crazy.

289 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:44:30pm

re: #279 windsagio

I should add, WUB doesn't have an antisemitic bone in his body, but he's totally racist towards the Igbo people (but only the Igbo, long story!)

We all have our peculiar prejudices. I have a couple that might seem racist, but they come from repeated experience, and honestly, have more to do with culture than anything.

No, i'm not listing them.

290 Surabaya Stew  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:44:42pm

re: #266 Irenicum

And at my place you'd have a latte fun!

Just as long as there are no tea baggers around. :-D

291 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:44:42pm

re: #284 windsagio

Thats why he mentioned 'the game'. People love to imply and imply and insinuate and hint, but don't have the cojones to say things outright.

Its a bad habit.

Problem is, nobody here even came CLOSE to that
WUB brought it up totally out of the blue

292 windsagio  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:44:59pm

re: #289 Fozzie Bear

I'll show you mine if you show me yours!

293 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:44:59pm

re: #279 windsagio

I should add, WUB doesn't have an antisemitic bone in his body, but he's totally racist towards the Igbo people (but only the Igbo, long story!)

Your couch

294 freetoken  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:45:16pm

Here's the same story, but with a headline written in a different way:


Key findings of IPCC on regional climate - change impacts found to be robust

295 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:45:20pm

re: #292 windsagio

I'll show you mine if you show me yours!

It can only end well, right!?!?!

296 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:45:24pm

re: #287 Gus 802

Don't they use freelance writers?

They may in fact use freelance writers, but the editors (hence,,, headline writers) are inhouse

297 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:45:34pm

re: #289 Fozzie Bear

We all have our peculiar prejudices. I have a couple that might seem racist, but they come from repeated experience, and honestly, have more to do with culture than anything.

No, i'm not listing them.

hahahahaha um you may have just been played by windy :D

298 windsagio  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:45:47pm

see? It's its own defense!

299 Irenicum  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:46:05pm

re: #282 Decatur Deb

I already have all the girl's names figured out for my establishment. I may move to Vegas nest week.

300 windsagio  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:46:37pm

re: #295 Fozzie Bear

I'll go first then, wuss!

I'm prejudiced against overweight women who work in Healthcare.

301 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:47:05pm

re: #284 windsagio

Thats why he mentioned 'the game'. People love to imply and imply and insinuate and hint, but don't have the cojones to say things outright.

Its a bad habit.

It's just bad internet. We've evolved!

302 Irenicum  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:47:17pm

re: #290 Surabaya Stew

Hey, I run a respectable joint!

303 windsagio  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:47:18pm

re: #299 Irenicum

If you get there soon enough, I'll take my just-engaged friend to your opening ceremony! We'll be in Vegas till next monday :D

304 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:47:31pm

re: #298 windsagio

see? It's its own defense!

IGBO

Fuck those guys!

305 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:47:48pm

re: #297 WindUpBird

hahahahaha um you may have just been played by windy :D

But it's true! Everybody has little things that irritate them, and some them are categorical annoyances. That makes them prejudices, probably, but there they are. I know they are probably wrong, and yet, there they are.

306 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:48:01pm

re: #299 Irenicum

I already have all the girl's names figured out for my establishment. I may move to Vegas nest week.

I was going to be a male prositute

Picked the name 'Dick Trickle"

Bad marketing, ya think??

307 brookly red  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:48:10pm

re: #300 windsagio

I'll go first then, wuss!

I'm prejudiced against overweight women who work in Healthcare.

/what about the men?

308 Irenicum  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:48:12pm

re: #303 windsagio

You bring the cream, we'll bring the sugar!

309 albusteve  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:48:15pm

re: #300 windsagio

I'll go first then, wuss!

I'm prejudiced against overweight women who work in Healthcare.

makes sense for you

310 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:48:20pm

If I was Harry Reid I'd keep it up and only take it down to comply with a court order, the worse they can do is fine him for infringing on her copyrighted materials and that would be peanuts compared to his campaign expenses.

Let the people see just how nuts the positions she was advocating are, before she won the primary and needed to sanitize her site to try to appeal to a broader audience.

OT: Walking around outside the hospital today (dad was in for his chemo) I saw a police cruiser leaving, with two officers in the front. Seeing two officers in a single car in St. Pete is rare is extremely rare, but that isn't what grabbed my attention. What interested me was that they both had dual filter respirator masks on and a prisoner in the back seat without one.

I don't know what the guy supposedly had but obviously it was a contagious respiratory disease (or he is a "spitter" with HIV or TB). Just a reminder that we don't pay those guys nearly enough to deal with the crappy/nasty shit that they have to put up with nearly everyday.

311 Irenicum  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:48:57pm

re: #306 sattv4u2

Reminds me of George Castanza calling himself Buck Naked.

312 windsagio  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:49:30pm

re: #307 brookly red

Tend to be loserish, but less crazy :D

313 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:50:02pm

re: #305 Fozzie Bear

But it's true! Everybody has little things that irritate them, and some them are categorical annoyances. That makes them prejudices, probably, but there they are. I know they are probably wrong, and yet, there they are.

heh,,,,,people who have those handicap tags hanging from their mirrors so when the person in their family that IS handicapped is with them they can use the handicap spaces

When the person is NOT with them, they use the space anyway

bastards!

314 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:50:06pm

re: #300 windsagio

I'll go first then, wuss!

I'm prejudiced against overweight women who work in Healthcare.

Ok fine!

I insist people downding me for this, because I know it's wrong, in my heart.

GFor some reason, I believe some subset of the black population of the town I live in enjoys crossing the street at agonizingly slow speed as some kind of passive aggressive thing. I don't know why I notice this. I suppose on some level I am racist, unless I can substantiate my weird little prejudice with some kind of evidence, but I can'ty/ It's anecdotal, and silly.

I feel shame now. lol.

315 RadicalModerate  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:50:19pm

The rabid right has its newest "outrageous outrage" - NASA's chief Charles Bolden said in interview that one of their missions is to help engage people in the Muslim world, because doing so in the long run would benefit science and space travel.

NASA Chief: Next Frontier Better Relations With Muslim World

Though international diplomacy would seem well outside NASA's orbit, Bolden said in an interview with Al Jazeera that strengthening those ties was among the top tasks President Obama assigned him. He said better interaction with the Muslim world would ultimately advance space travel.

"When I became the NASA administrator -- or before I became the NASA administrator -- he charged me with three things. One was he wanted me to help re-inspire children to want to get into science and math, he wanted me to expand our international relationships, and third, and perhaps foremost, he wanted me to find a way to reach out to the Muslim world and engage much more with dominantly Muslim nations to help them feel good about their historic contribution to science ... and math and engineering," Bolden said in the interview.

I'm already seeing blogs starting to foam at the mouth over this - both Powerline and AmerThinker have stories up on it. Of course, the comments on the linked FoxNews story are completely unhinged.

316 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:50:40pm

We were having such a nice discussion until the Bobbsey Twins arrived and started their usual bullying.

317 Irenicum  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:51:19pm

re: #315 RadicalModerate

Mooslems in space!!! Oh noes!!!

318 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:51:59pm

Oven's buzzing.

319 windsagio  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:52:03pm

re: #316 MandyManners

Can't we be at least the Hardy Boys? (or the Venture Brothers?)

320 albusteve  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:52:42pm

re: #313 sattv4u2

heh,,,people who have those handicap tags hanging from their mirrors so when the person in their family that IS handicapped is with them they can use the handicap spaces

When the person is NOT with them, they use the space anyway

bastards!

I've already seen this a few times...one guy pops out of a car and skips off while I cannot use that space...but I survived

321 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:52:50pm

re: #316 MandyManners

We were having such a nice discussion until the Bobbsey Twins arrived and started their usual bullying.

maybe if you don't want to deal with me, mayhaps you should refrain from starting crap with me?

just a protip for ya there, that's a freebie

322 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:53:14pm

re: #319 windsagio

Can't we be at least the Hardy Boys? (or the Venture Brothers?)

It's ALL ABOUT DEAN!

323 Political Atheist  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:53:25pm

Since its about dinner time or going to be soon...
Happy Hour! Drinks on me here at RWC HQ.

Two prints from the cookbook offer went unclaimed, so rather than let them go to waste, I'll leave them in play. The next two cookbooks that are ordered are eligible for prints of your choice from my pages or blog.

324 windsagio  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:53:45pm

re: #313 sattv4u2

Wait 'till you're driving a van full of disabled people and can't park close because of all the people with dishonest doctors >>

325 Surabaya Stew  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:53:46pm

re: #274 HoosierHoops

Dang you..could you grab me a Hazelnut Latte?

It's a small kiosk in trump tower, they don't even have a toaster for the bagels! A hazelnut flavor pump is likely beyond their space limitations, sorry about that.... ;-)

326 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:53:59pm

re: #320 albusteve

I've already seen this a few times...one guy pops out of a car and skips off while I cannot use that space...but I survived

I sometimes do that when I'm picking up my wife--she uses a walker.

327 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:54:15pm

re: #313 sattv4u2

heh,,,people who have those handicap tags hanging from their mirrors so when the person in their family that IS handicapped is with them they can use the handicap spaces

When the person is NOT with them, they use the space anyway

bastards!

Pk another one of mine.

It secretly irritates me when I see morbidly obese people riding little power scooters, when I suspect there is literally nothing wrong with them other than size. It irritates me further when I contemplate that these little power chairs are often paid for by medicare.

I guess not so secretly now. I'm a big 'ol size-ist.

328 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:54:31pm

re: #324 windsagio

Wait 'till you're driving a van full of disabled people and can't park close because of all the people with dishonest doctors >>

At least the van was all banged up and scary. it cuts a good silhouette when some dick in a Mercedes S class is idling in a handicap spot :D

329 Gus  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:54:43pm

re: #315 RadicalModerate

The rabid right has its newest "outrageous outrage" - NASA's chief Charles Bolden said in interview that one of their missions is to help engage people in the Muslim world, because doing so in the long run would benefit science and space travel.

NASA Chief: Next Frontier Better Relations With Muslim World

I'm already seeing blogs starting to foam at the mouth over this - both Powerline and AmerThinker have stories up on it. Of course, the comments on the linked FoxNews story are completely unhinged.

I would think that would help for the progress of the Muslim world and the West in the long run. Particularly in inspiring Muslim youth from host nations in the astronaut program to pursue worthwhile goal and career.

List of Muslim astronauts

I see net benefits.

330 brookly red  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:54:45pm

re: #319 windsagio

Can't we be at least the Hardy Boys? (or the Venture Brothers?)

would you settle for Itchy & Scratchy?

331 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:55:11pm

re: #315 RadicalModerate

The rabid right has its newest "outrageous outrage" - NASA's chief Charles Bolden said in interview that one of their missions is to help engage people in the Muslim world, because doing so in the long run would benefit science and space travel.

NASA Chief: Next Frontier Better Relations With Muslim World

I'm already seeing blogs starting to foam at the mouth over this - both Powerline and AmerThinker have stories up on it. Of course, the comments on the linked FoxNews story are completely unhinged.

Sorry, RM, but this is an outrage. Bolden should certainly work with Muslim nations, and others, when he can but it is frankly insane for him to call this his "foremost" mission.

332 A Man for all Seasons  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:55:13pm

re: #325 Surabaya Stew

It's a small kiosk in trump tower, they don't even have a toaster for the bagels! A hazelnut flavor pump is likely beyond their space limitations, sorry about that... ;-)

I think I hate you!
*wink*

333 windsagio  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:55:16pm

re: #328 WindUpBird

The hole you knocked in the top added to the effect, yes :D

334 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:55:20pm

re: #327 Fozzie Bear

Pk another one of mine.

It secretly irritates me when I see morbidly obese people riding little power scooters,

I don't know why, but this cracked me up, I think it's the mental image of actual Fozzie Bear going "GRRRRR!" at some dude on a Rascal

335 Irenicum  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:55:21pm

re: #330 brookly red

Nah, the Blues Brothers.

336 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:55:36pm

re: #330 brookly red

would you settle for Itchy & Scratchy?

That would mean we can't be killed!

337 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:55:53pm

re: #333 windsagio

The hole you knocked in the top added to the effect, yes :D

Quiet you!

I guess I can talk about it now, they can't fire me!

338 windsagio  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:55:58pm

re: #330 brookly red

We're teammates not foes tho'.

We could be Batman and Robin, if I get to be batman.

339 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:56:23pm

re: #324 windsagio

Wait 'till you're driving a van full of disabled people and can't park close because of all the people with dishonest doctors >>

I'll put up a months salary that says there are more dishonest users of the handicap placards than dishonest doctors by a VERY wide margin!

340 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:56:31pm

re: #338 windsagio

We're teammates not foes tho'.

We could be Batman and Robin, if I get to be batman.

Lame!

341 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:56:32pm

re: #329 Gus 802

,,,snip

I see net benefits.

As long as we take their shampoo.

342 windsagio  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:56:46pm

re: #327 Fozzie Bear

I know the feeling, and the shame for having it ;)

343 brookly red  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:56:48pm

re: #336 WindUpBird

That would mean we can't be killed!

ever hear of the dip?

344 Irenicum  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:56:51pm

Well kids, see ya later. Fight fair or at least fight well.

345 Gus  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:56:51pm

re: #341 Decatur Deb

As long as we take their shampoo.

Thwack!

346 albusteve  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:57:02pm

re: #326 Decatur Deb

I sometimes do that when I'm picking up my wife--she uses a walker.

I graduated from a walker a months ago...what a hassle to break that thing out to use...crutches drove me nuts too...I can walk now unassisted but I feel for her....still I'm very fortunate

347 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:57:08pm

re: #343 brookly red

ever hear of the dip?

I own that film :D

348 Gus  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:57:11pm

re: #331 Shiplord Kirel

Sorry, RM, but this is an outrage. Bolden should certainly work with Muslim nations, and others, when he can but it is frankly insane for him to call this his "foremost" mission.

Did he say foremost?

349 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:57:25pm

re: #327 Fozzie Bear

Pk another one of mine.

It secretly irritates me when I see morbidly obese people riding little power scooters, when I suspect there is literally nothing wrong with them other than size. It irritates me further when I contemplate that these little power chairs are often paid for by medicare.

I guess not so secretly now. I'm a big 'ol size-ist.

I'm with you on that one. I feel like telling them "you know,,, maybe if you walked every so often you wouldn't need the scooter"

350 windsagio  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:57:34pm

re: #339 sattv4u2

Point is they almost always get the placards from doctors who simply don't give a damn. Thats what I was referring to.

If there's a huge black market for the things, well... thats kinda cool in a way :)

351 A Man for all Seasons  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:57:48pm

re: #327 Fozzie Bear

Pk another one of mine.

It secretly irritates me when I see morbidly obese people riding little power scooters, when I suspect there is literally nothing wrong with them other than size. It irritates me further when I contemplate that these little power chairs are often paid for by medicare.

I guess not so secretly now. I'm a big 'ol size-ist.

Oh Fozzy..Why go there?
You are starting to go all ugly here...

352 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:57:50pm

re: #339 sattv4u2

I'll put up a months salary that says there are more dishonest users of the handicap placards than dishonest doctors by a VERY wide margin!

I suspect you are right. But, it's hard to substantiate.

I have seen perfectly mobile people hop out of cars with handicapped stickers (the only occupant of the car, mind you) more times than I can count.

353 albusteve  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:58:09pm

re: #329 Gus 802

I would think that would help for the progress of the Muslim world and the West in the long run. Particularly in inspiring Muslim youth from host nations in the astronaut program to pursue worthwhile goal and career.

List of Muslim astronauts

I see net benefits.

I'm sure the Muslim world will appreciate our help and understanding

354 brookly red  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:58:19pm

re: #338 windsagio

We're teammates not foes tho'.

We could be Batman and Robin, if I get to be batman.

true... so which one is Bevis?

355 windsagio  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:58:34pm

re: #340 WindUpBird

Robin's fruitier, and you... well...

On that subject, no discussion of the Super Friends in the last 10 years is not directly derived From this site.

356 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:58:42pm

re: #349 sattv4u2

I'm with you on that one. I feel like telling them "you know,,, maybe if you walked every so often you wouldn't need the scooter"

I do know a dude of larger carriage who needs the scooter, and it was the opposite, he wanted to walk everywhere with a cane or a walker or whatever it took, and his doctor told him no.

357 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:59:00pm

re: #351 HoosierHoops

Oh Fozzy..Why go there?
You are starting to go all ugly here...

I am ashamed. :(

358 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:59:01pm

re: #354 brookly red

true... so which one is Bevis?

Oh I'm totally Beavis :D

359 albusteve  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:59:12pm

re: #350 windsagio

Point is they almost always get the placards from doctors who simply don't give a damn. Thats what I was referring to.

If there's a huge black market for the things, well... thats kinda cool in a way :)

how do you know this?...any background?

360 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:59:23pm

re: #355 windsagio

Robin's fruitier, and you... well...

On that subject, no discussion of the Super Friends in the last 10 years is not directly derived From this site.

It's still one of the funniest things on the internet :D

361 windsagio  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 3:59:43pm

re: #358 WindUpBird

Which is funny, because you're an ass.

362 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:00:13pm

re: #350 windsagio

Point is they almost always get the placards from doctors who simply don't give a damn. Thats what I was referring to.

If there's a huge black market for the things, well... thats kinda cool in a way :)

INCORRECT. The doctors write a letter to the DMV stating that their patient's family needs the placard for when the patient is in the vehicle,, OR ,, if the patient is the driver needs the special H/P plate

363 albusteve  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:00:21pm

re: #351 HoosierHoops

Oh Fozzy..Why go there?
You are starting to go all ugly here...

agreed

364 windsagio  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:00:22pm

re: #359 albusteve

Going from memory, there was a huge scandal and crackdown several years back in WA over it. I remember them going specifically after doctors.

365 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:00:27pm

re: #361 windsagio

Which is funny, because you're an ass.

Yes, but I am also more likely to just yell for no reason!

366 wrenchwench  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:00:51pm

re: #329 Gus 802

I would think that would help for the progress of the Muslim world and the West in the long run. Particularly in inspiring Muslim youth from host nations in the astronaut program to pursue worthwhile goal and career.

List of Muslim astronauts

I see net benefits.

I was going to make some snark about female Muslim astronauts, but there is one on your list!

367 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:01:06pm

re: #356 WindUpBird

I do know a dude of larger carriage who needs the scooter, and it was the opposite, he wanted to walk everywhere with a cane or a walker or whatever it took, and his doctor told him no.

And I know someone whose knees are so bad he can't walk two steps. But what we were talking about is the misuse of them

368 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:01:12pm

re: #362 sattv4u2

INCORRECT. The doctors write a letter to the DMV stating that their patient's family needs the placard for when the patient is in the vehicle,, OR ,, if the patient is the driver needs the special H/P plate

Do you live in Washington state? ;-)

369 A Man for all Seasons  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:01:40pm

re: #365 WindUpBird

Yes, but I am also more likely to just yell for no reason!

Well yelling is the only exercise you can get Blogging

370 wrenchwench  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:02:03pm

re: #369 HoosierHoops

Well yelling is the only exercise you can get Blogging

That and jumping to conclusions.

371 windsagio  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:02:09pm

re: #367 sattv4u2

Thats why I feel guilty for it. The disabled placard is really the same thing.

We think they don't deserve it, but we can't really know can we.

At least with the placards its a known issue. With scooters, its simply impossible to tell.

372 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:02:19pm

re: #368 WindUpBird

Do you live in Washington state? ;-)

No,, but I have lived and/or spent significant time in about 25 different ones... your point?

373 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:02:23pm

re: #369 HoosierHoops

Well yelling is the only exercise you can get Blogging

Someone should break down how many calories it takes to angrily hit a keyboard key!

374 albusteve  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:02:40pm

re: #364 windsagio

Going from memory, there was a huge scandal and crackdown several years back in WA over it. I remember them going specifically after doctors.

memory?, unsubstantiated?....well what do you know

375 brookly red  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:03:21pm

re: #370 wrenchwench

That and jumping to conclusions.

back peddling makes for good cardio...

376 albusteve  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:03:34pm

re: #369 HoosierHoops

Well yelling is the only exercise you can get Blogging

my scroll finger gets a workout....it's more powerful than a locomotive

377 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:03:34pm

re: #372 sattv4u2

No,, but I have lived and/or spent significant time in about 25 different ones... your point?

I'm just saying, our experience is based on working in health care in washington state and being around for the aforementioned scandal (which I only remember dimly) so saying we're "incorrect" assumes a level of authority you probably don't have about the laws of washington state ;-)

378 Gus  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:03:35pm

re: #331 Shiplord Kirel

Sorry, RM, but this is an outrage. Bolden should certainly work with Muslim nations, and others, when he can but it is frankly insane for him to call this his "foremost" mission.

OK, I just watched the beginning of the video. He says that his is his foremost mission in response to the question, "why are you here" in Cairo. This doesn't meant that it's his prime objective. Only while visiting Cairo.

379 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:03:38pm

re: #323 Rightwingconspirator

You have mail.

380 windsagio  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:03:47pm

re: #375 brookly red

Leaping in with both feet is better for you anyways.

381 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:04:11pm

re: #375 brookly red

back peddling makes for good cardio...

Just hanging around burns a few calories.

382 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:04:16pm

re: #367 sattv4u2

And I know someone whose knees are so bad he can't walk two steps. But what we were talking about is the misuse of them

Yep. And you can't know which is which, unless you know the person.

So I feel bad every time I feel annoyed about these things, because I know it isn't based on understanding, rather just my own irritation.

383 windsagio  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:04:22pm

re: #374 albusteve

being vague again steve, have something to say?

384 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:04:48pm

re: #364 windsagio

Going from memory, there was a huge scandal and crackdown several years back in WA over it. I remember them going specifically after doctors.

Of COURSE they would go after the doctors,, to get their lists

Thats not THE problem,. THE problem is family members using the placard when the invalid person is NOT with them

385 windsagio  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:05:10pm

re: #382 Fozzie Bear

hah that would be a good definition of a liberal.

"Often feels bad things, but also feels guilty about it".

386 brookly red  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:05:28pm

re: #380 windsagio

re: #381 Decatur Deb

and what workout would be complete without a good stretching?

387 albusteve  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:05:42pm

re: #383 windsagio

being vague again steve, have something to say?

not at all....just feeding you a slice of your own shit sandwich

388 RadicalModerate  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:05:43pm

re: #331 Shiplord Kirel

Sorry, RM, but this is an outrage. Bolden should certainly work with Muslim nations, and others, when he can but it is frankly insane for him to call this his "foremost" mission.

The original interview was with Al Jazeera, and was part of the conversation about the Cairo Initiative.

Talk to Al Jazeera interview with Charles Bolden - includes video link

389 A Man for all Seasons  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:06:20pm

re: #379 Floral Giraffe

You have mail.

*waves*
Did you have a great weekend?

390 windsagio  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:06:21pm

re: #384 sattv4u2

That's actually a fairly valid point :D

We have that problem at the company too, they had to yell at some program managers and area directors for misusing the disabled placards.

391 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:06:52pm

re: #377 WindUpBird

I'm just saying, our experience is based on working in health care in washington state and being around for the aforementioned scandal (which I only remember dimly) so saying we're "incorrect" assumes a level of authority you probably don't have about the laws of washington state ;-)

State laws re: handicap placards and plates are pretty boilerplate. I can speak directly about Massachusetts, New Hampshire, Maine, North Carolina, South Carolina and Georgia because I have had to apply for placards in each

Except for some minor wording, they were all the same

392 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:08:20pm

re: #391 sattv4u2

State laws re: handicap placards and plates are pretty boilerplate. I can speak directly about Massachusetts, New Hampshire, Maine, North Carolina, South Carolina and Georgia because I have had to apply for placards in each

Except for some minor wording, they were all the same

AL requires periodic recertification by a doctor.

393 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:08:49pm

re: #390 windsagio

That's actually a fairly valid point :D

We have that problem at the company too, they had to yell at some program managers and area directors for misusing the disabled placards.

in my mind, they are among the most vile people

394 windsagio  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:08:50pm

re: #391 sattv4u2

You do tend to come on a bit strong tho', just so you know.

(and yes this is coming from the king of coming on strong :p)

395 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:09:17pm

re: #392 Decatur Deb

AL requires periodic recertification by a doctor.

as do the states I mentioned,, as stated, it's fairly standard

396 windsagio  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:09:37pm

re: #393 sattv4u2

Ask WUB about his former program manager :D

I'd do it but it ruins it.

397 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:09:38pm

I never cared much about handicapped spots until I broke my leg years ago, so my doctor gave me a placard. I could NEVER seem to find a handicapped spot open, so I'd park out in the regular spots. Then I would hobble past a handicapped spot from the hinterlands of the parking lot, only to see an apparently healthy person practically skip out of the car. Drove me nuts inside.

398 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:09:58pm

re: #394 windsagio

You do tend to come on a bit strong tho', just so you know.

(and yes this is coming from the king of coming on strong :p)

At my age,, I'm allowed!!!

GET OFF MY LAWN,, AND TURN DOWN THAT HIPPIE MUSIC

399 brookly red  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:10:06pm

re: #392 Decatur Deb

AL requires periodic recertification by a doctor.

/you should try the NYC method... no parking by anyone anywhere ever.

400 avanti  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:10:30pm

Anyone else noticed the AGW skeptics on the right wing blogs that love to comment on any cold snap in the weather are strangely silent about the record heat around the world this year ? We've had August heat and worse for several weeks in Md.
Could be just weather, but it's too damn hot.

401 windsagio  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:10:44pm

re: #398 sattv4u2

At my age,, I'm allowed!!!

GET OFF MY LAWN,, AND TURN DOWN THAT HIPPIE MUSIC

See, this is why I like you :D

402 albusteve  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:10:59pm

re: #399 brookly red

/you should try the NYC method... no parking by anyone anywhere ever.

solves that problem....next!

403 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:11:31pm

re: #399 brookly red

/you should try the NYC method... no parking by anyone anywhere ever.

You're always allowed to park on the alternate side of the street.

404 windsagio  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:11:41pm

re: #399 brookly red

The carfree zones appearing in some cities (mostly in Europe, admittedly) are actually damn cool :D

405 albusteve  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:11:58pm

re: #400 avanti

Anyone else noticed the AGW skeptics on the right wing blogs that love to comment on any cold snap in the weather are strangely silent about the record heat around the world this year ? We've had August heat and worse for several weeks in Md.
Could be just weather, but it's too damn hot.

no, I don't do right wing blogs, what would be the point in that?

406 Gus  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:12:20pm

re: #388 RadicalModerate

The original interview was with Al Jazeera, and was part of the conversation about the Cairo Initiative.

Talk to Al Jazeera interview with Charles Bolden - includes video link

This might be interesting:

Exciting Developments in Space Exploration and the Future of International Cooperation
Remarks by NASA Administrator Charles F. Bolden
American University in Cairo
June 15, 2010

It's a PDF. Now, American University in Cairo was founded by the United Presbyterian Church of North America and The American Mission in 1919.

407 b_sharp  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:12:52pm

Hey guys, what's up?

408 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:13:00pm

re: #313 sattv4u2

heh,,,people who have those handicap tags hanging from their mirrors so when the person in their family that IS handicapped is with them they can use the handicap spaces

When the person is NOT with them, they use the space anyway

bastards!

I do that, or rather we do that, mom uses her and dads handicapped tag to park close to the store and then sends me in to get whatever it is we are there to buy. I have told her about a thousand times that I don't care where she parks, that I'm perfectly able to walk across the parking lot. It doesn't matter, you try changing a 78 year old's mind once they have made it up.

Yes it sucks that we are taking up a space someone who actually has difficulty walking could use, but I am powerless to change it. I guess next time we go to the grocery store I need give it another try though, at least I won't have a guilty conscience about it then...

409 wrenchwench  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:13:25pm

re: #400 avanti

Hey, Avanti! There was an Avanti in our local 4th of July parade! Cool looking car.

410 Gus  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:13:41pm

re: #407 b_sharp

Hey guys, what's up?

Space.

411 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:14:05pm

re: #407 b_sharp

Hey guys, what's up?

Not much. Where did you park?

412 brookly red  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:14:32pm

re: #404 windsagio

The carfree zones appearing in some cities (mostly in Europe, admittedly) are actually damn cool :D

we have a few of them and the number of tourists getting hit by cars is way down.

413 albusteve  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:14:49pm

re: #409 wrenchwench

Hey, Avanti! There was an Avanti in our local 4th of July parade! Cool looking car.

heh, once you start looking they are all over the place...there are plenty of them in ABQ including a very sweet older one just up the road a few properties

414 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:14:54pm

STORY FROM MY PAST

It was around Christmas, I pulled into a mall in Massachusetts near home. It had snowed all day and night

I got out of my car and as I was walking to the mall a car without handicap plates or placard pulls into a handicap spot. 4 teen boys get out and start walking to the mall. I said" Hey ,,,you m know you just parked in a H/P space?"

they told me to shut up,, mind my own business, ,, they were only going to be a few minutes"

I said ,, "okay" and watched them walk in

I went to the car and let all the air out of the right front and left rear tires. I did NOT damage the tires in any way. Just let the air out. When they came out I looked at them and said "Now you're handicapped. Merry Christmas"

415 prairiefire  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:15:04pm

re: #398 sattv4u2

At my age,, I'm allowed!!!

GET OFF MY LAWN,, AND TURN DOWN THAT HIPPIE MUSIC

I remember one of my first LGF arguments was with Satt about guys giving gals unasked for shoulder rubs in the work place. Remember, Satt?

416 albusteve  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:15:13pm

re: #410 Gus 802

Space.

the Final Frontier

417 b_sharp  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:15:17pm

re: #410 Gus 802

Space.

Been there, done that.

418 freetoken  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:15:18pm

re: #400 avanti

In my comment earlier about the AP headline massaging I was going to write up a big rant about how our citizens do not seem to be able or willing to accept complex issues on the terms dictated by the issues, not the simplified terms/approaches preferred by politics.

So yes, whatever comes out of the denial-o-sphere is pretty much just political posturing and their take on the issue of AGW is to make it as simple as possible. Therefore snow = AGW is a hoax! When record high temps are recorded around the world the denial-o-sphere just checks out of the conversation. They will be back in winter.

419 b_sharp  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:15:37pm

re: #411 Decatur Deb

Not much. Where did you park?

On the IHOP.

420 albusteve  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:15:41pm

re: #411 Decatur Deb

Not much. Where did you park?

in the rear?

421 windsagio  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:15:42pm

re: #414 sattv4u2

I really can't tell if that's great or terrible :D

422 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:15:48pm

Ice cream and cake. BBL

423 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:16:53pm

re: #408 ausador

but I am powerless to change it.

sorry ,, but the wheel and pedals are in your control. If mom yells about it for a few,, oh well,, she'll get over it (and this coming from a man that has parents that are the same way and are 85)

424 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:17:20pm

re: #415 prairiefire

I remember one of my first LGF arguments was with Satt about guys giving gals unasked for shoulder rubs in the work place. Remember, Satt?

yups

425 b_sharp  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:17:27pm

re: #420 albusteve

in the rear?

Looks like you backed into that joke.

426 Political Atheist  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:18:00pm

re: #379 Floral Giraffe

Back at ya my friend.

427 wrenchwench  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:18:29pm

Well, I have some things to prepare for, so I'll see y'all again tomorrow.

428 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:18:42pm

re: #421 windsagio

I really can't tell if that's great or terrible :D

well,, decide and either up or down ding me, will ya

429 brookly red  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:19:37pm

re: #428 sattv4u2

well,, decide and either up or down ding me, will ya

/welcome to Limbooooo

430 b_sharp  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:19:57pm

re: #414 sattv4u2

STORY FROM MY PAST

It was around Christmas, I pulled into a mall in Massachusetts near home. It had snowed all day and night

I got out of my car and as I was walking to the mall a car without handicap plates or placard pulls into a handicap spot. 4 teen boys get out and start walking to the mall. I said" Hey ,,,you m know you just parked in a H/P space?"

they told me to shut up,, mind my own business, ,, they were only going to be a few minutes"

I said ,, "okay" and watched them walk in

I went to the car and let all the air out of the right front and left rear tires. I did NOT damage the tires in any way. Just let the air out. When they came out I looked at them and said "Now you're handicapped. Merry Christmas"

I've thought of doing that dozens of times, but I'm too lazy to get out of the car.

431 windsagio  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:20:10pm

re: #425 b_sharp

For those who want hints on how to force me out of a thread, this pun is the key :D

432 avanti  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:20:28pm

re: #409 wrenchwench

Hey, Avanti! There was an Avanti in our local 4th of July parade! Cool looking car.

Poor bastard, hope he had AC, they get real hot inside with heat from the drive line coming through the fiberglass.

433 prairiefire  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:20:35pm

re: #425 b_sharp

Looks like you backed into that joke.

Oh, I hope this thread does not go there.

434 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:20:45pm

re: #431 windsagio

For those who want hints on how to force me out of a thread, this pun is the key :D

Threaten you with sodomy? /

435 windsagio  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:21:19pm

re: #434 Fozzie Bear

Threaten you with sodomy? /

ahahhahahaha *gasp* ahahhaa.

436 windsagio  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:21:24pm

re: #435 windsagio

Yes.

437 albusteve  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:21:25pm

after three years of scientific study, the results are in...
the reason I get along with everybody, and the fact that everybody loves me is because I do not use the dong function....consider that

438 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:21:38pm

re: #430 b_sharp

I've thought of doing that dozens of times, but I'm too lazy to get out of the car.

I figured
A) they probably don't have an air compressor
B) they probably only had one spare (even though, again, no tires were damaged)
C) fuckem

439 b_sharp  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:21:39pm

re: #431 windsagio

For those who want hints on how to force me out of a thread, this pun is the key :D

You should be so lucky.

440 Stanghazi  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:21:53pm

Geeze, the downfall begins..

MOBILE, Ala. -- Former Oakland Raiders quarterback JaMarcus Russell has been charged with possession of a controlled substance -- codeine syrup -- after being arrested at his home in Alabama on Monday, authorities said.

The 24-year-old former LSU star and the No. 1 draft choice in 2007 was arrested as part of an undercover narcotics investigation, said Mobile County Sheriff's spokeswoman Lori Myles. She would not say what led to his arrest. She said he did not have a prescription for the codeine.

[Link: sports.espn.go.com...]

441 windsagio  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:22:17pm

re: #438 sattv4u2

I'd be more worried that they'd beat the hell out of me. More a lover than a fighter tho'

442 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:22:24pm

re: #389 HoosierHoops

I did!
And you?
Grey & drizzle, here.
*waves back*

443 albusteve  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:22:34pm

re: #433 prairiefire

Oh, I hope this thread does not go there.

well then don't be an ass

444 b_sharp  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:23:03pm

re: #433 prairiefire

Oh, I hope this thread does not go there.

Butt, butt, butt.

445 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:23:04pm

re: #441 windsagio

I'd be more worried that they'd beat the hell out of me. More a lover than a fighter tho'

Well,, there is that,,,

Oh ,, wait ,, I have a carry permit !!!

:)

446 Stanghazi  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:23:16pm

re: #440 Stanley Sea

Geeze, the downfall begins..

[Link: sports.espn.go.com...]

Codeine syrup though? Seems like a reach. Maybe he had a bad cough.

447 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:23:22pm

re: #400 avanti

LOL!
That's weather, not climate change!
How's the cars?

448 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:23:45pm

re: #440 Stanley Sea

Geeze, the downfall begins..

[Link: sports.espn.go.com...]

Seems pretty harsh for Codeine syrup.

449 albusteve  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:23:55pm

re: #435 windsagio

ahahhahahaha *gasp* ahahhaa.

a Freudian slip I think....

450 brookly red  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:24:02pm

re: #443 albusteve

well then don't be an ass

/I was sure you were going to say "take it like a man"...

451 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:24:02pm

re: #446 Stanley Sea

Codeine syrup though? Seems like a reach. Maybe he had a bad cough.

She said he did not have a prescription for the codeine.

452 windsagio  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:24:09pm

re: #446 Stanley Sea

In my day they just abused Nyquil and they loved it!!!

453 b_sharp  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:24:23pm

re: #438 sattv4u2

I figured
A) they probably don't have an air compressor
B) they probably only had one spare (even though, again, no tires were damaged)
C) fuckem

C is my favourite.

454 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:24:39pm

re: #453 b_sharp

C is my favourite.

truth be told ,, mine too

455 albusteve  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:25:23pm

re: #450 brookly red

/I was sure you were going to say "take it like a man"...

or just take it

456 Political Atheist  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:25:35pm

re: #442 Floral Giraffe

Floral how are ya? Deep marine layer today. Yuck.

457 Stanghazi  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:26:53pm

re: #451 sattv4u2

She said he did not have a prescription for the codeine.

knock knock!

Got any codeine syrup in the house? Where's the paperwork?

I don't know, maybe there's a big syrup ring down there that needed to be stopped. Just seems funny after reading it again.

458 A Man for all Seasons  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:27:15pm

re: #442 Floral Giraffe

I did!
And you?
Grey & drizzle, here.
*waves back*

Hotter than the 2nd gate of Hell here...Hot Indiana Summer day...

459 Political Atheist  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:27:26pm

re: #389 HoosierHoops

Whats up HH?

460 b_sharp  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:27:31pm

re: #455 albusteve

or just take it

You're on a roll Steve.

461 Political Atheist  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:28:15pm

re: #457 Stanley Sea

knock knock!

Got any codeine syrup in the house? Where's the paperwork?

I don't know, maybe there's a big syrup ring down there that needed to be stopped. Just seems funny after reading it again.

Quick! Hide the Aunt Jemima!

462 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:28:22pm

re: #457 Stanley Sea

knock knock!

Got any codeine syrup in the house? Where's the paperwork?

I don't know, maybe there's a big syrup ring down there that needed to be stopped. Just seems funny after reading it again.

Don't get me wrong. I agree. Theres more to this than whats in that story, I'm sure

463 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:28:38pm

Well, the Wee Toesies and her entourage are on their way back to Alabama. I miss that little Overlord.

464 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:28:38pm

re: #461 Rightwingconspirator

Quick! Hide the Aunt Jemima!

racist!

465 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:29:04pm

good evening Lizards ... hope everyone's holiday has been great. this Michael Steele controversy has probably been beaten to death, but here's my take. if the only prominent Republican to publicly agree with Steele is ron paul, that says something very unsettling about the GOP chairman. and I have liked Steele over the years, but this affair showed a shocking lack of sophistication on Mr Steele's part.

466 prairiefire  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:29:35pm

re: #456 Rightwingconspirator

Hey, RWC. I'm taking you up on the Happy Hour offer. Bittburger here. Please say hello to D_L for me.

467 Stanghazi  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:29:39pm

re: #462 sattv4u2

Don't get me wrong. I agree. Theres more to this than whats in that story, I'm sure

I'm reading the ESPN comments, quite humorous.

468 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:29:43pm

re: #462 sattv4u2

Don't get me wrong. I agree. Theres more to this than whats in that story, I'm sure

I imagine they expected to find something worse, and that was all they found.

Even so... codeine syrup is hardly the scourge that is sweeping the land.

469 A Man for all Seasons  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:30:11pm

re: #459 Rightwingconspirator

Whats up HH?

Hi you..Just putting together plans to drive South Next weekend...

470 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:30:34pm

re: #456 Rightwingconspirator

Floral how are ya? Deep marine layer today. Yuck.

Well, I like the deep marine layer.
You can have hot in August.

471 Political Atheist  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:30:52pm

re: #466 prairiefire

One Bitburger coming right up. And hello! from D_L

472 windsagio  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:31:19pm

re: #468 Fozzie Bear

"We went through all this effort, we can't just let him go free!"

If they were after him, he must have been guilty, right?!

473 Stanghazi  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:31:45pm

re: #470 Floral Giraffe

Well, I like the deep marine layer.
You can have hot in August.

Agreed, although it finally burned off here, about 1/2 hour ago.

474 Political Atheist  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:32:11pm

re: #469 HoosierHoops

Road trip is on my agenda for Wednesday - Friday. Love to get up the coastal Highway 1.

475 windsagio  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:32:28pm

re: #473 Stanley Sea

We're getting you guys hot weather starting tomorrow. Thanks alot :P

476 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:33:27pm

re: #472 windsagio

"We went through all this effort, we can't just let him go free!"

If they were after him, he must have been guilty, right?!

Well, that's how it works. Charge the defendant with every conceivable violation imaginable, and then trade half of it to entice out a plea deal.

I don't think they will get their deal with codeine, though.

477 b_sharp  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:33:51pm

re: #472 windsagio

"We went through all this effort, we can't just let him go free!"

If they were after him, he must have been guilty, right?!

Funny how that works. The ultra-conservatives here believe pretty much exactly that. If the person has been arrested he must be guilty. Weirdest damn idea.

478 windsagio  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:35:07pm

re: #477 b_sharp

ITs a common thing really, I think we have an inprogrammed respect for civil authority.

479 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:35:14pm

re: #468 Fozzie Bear

I imagine they expected to find something worse, and that was all they found.

Even so... codeine syrup is hardly the scourge that is sweeping the land.

russell's career has been a total bust .... worse than ryan leaf's career and that is a tough level to sink down to. he's an idiot because he was being considered by the NY Giants as a possible backup for Eli so now he blew that too.

480 prairiefire  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:35:19pm

Que es "deep marine layer"

481 RadicalModerate  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:36:17pm

re: #446 Stanley Sea

Codeine syrup though? Seems like a reach. Maybe he had a bad cough.

Unless they found a large amount of the stuff in his possession, I see this as an attempted face-saving move by the Sheriff's office after not finding other controlled substances that they were digging for.

There's been many a time that I've borrowed codeine-based cough syrup from friends instead of doing a new doctor visit and getting a new prescription because of how much out-of-pocked expense it would entail, and I'd guess that more than a few of the arresting officers have done the same thing.

482 A Man for all Seasons  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:36:24pm

re: #474 Rightwingconspirator

Road trip is on my agenda for Wednesday - Friday. Love to get up the coastal Highway 1.

Well you know how it goes..If you want to get up and down the coast fast you take the 101.. If you want to enjoy the trip you take the coastal highway 1..

483 allegro  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:36:32pm

re: #479 _RememberTonyC

so now he blew that too.

More likely, he coughed it up.

484 brookly red  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:36:50pm

re: #477 b_sharp

Funny how that works. The ultra-conservatives here believe pretty much exactly that. If the person has been arrested he must be guilty. Weirdest damn idea.

it goes both ways, I remember there were those who looking for that jerk (O'Keef was his name ?) to go to club Fed.

485 Political Atheist  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:37:02pm

re: #470 Floral Giraffe

Very true. We may well get our usual 110.

486 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:37:57pm

re: #477 b_sharp

Funny how that works. The ultra-conservatives here believe pretty much exactly that. If the person has been arrested he must be guilty. Weirdest damn idea.

Is that a True Value or Dutch Boy Broad Brush !?!?!

// (well,,,, kinda!!)

487 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:38:48pm

re: #483 allegro

More likely, he coughed it up.

"done blown up ... blown up good .... blown up real good"

~quoting from All Star Celebrity Blow Up on SCTV~

488 brookly red  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:38:48pm

re: #486 sattv4u2

Is that a True Value or Dutch Boy Broad Brush !?!?!

// (well,,, kinda!!)

Spray gun, from Sears of course :)

489 Stanghazi  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:39:00pm

re: #479 _RememberTonyC

russell's career has been a total bust ... worse than ryan leaf's career and that is a tough level to sink down to. he's an idiot because he was being considered by the NY Giants as a possible backup for Eli so now he blew that too.

Don't talk to me alright! Knock it off!

Leaf got busted for oxy too. Wonder what happened?

490 Political Atheist  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:39:31pm

re: #480 prairiefire

Que es "deep marine layer"

Aka Catalina eddy, aka June gloom. The LA basin gets this natural low pressure off the coast, which can move clouds and fog well inland especially May and June. It holds off the worst of the heat. But as Floral mentioned, by August that's over with. Throw in a little tremor and you got shake and bake.

491 Gus  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:39:45pm

re: #481 RadicalModerate

Unless they found a large amount of the stuff in his possession, I see this as an attempted face-saving move by the Sheriff's office after not finding other controlled substances that they were digging for.

There's been many a time that I've borrowed codeine-based cough syrup from friends instead of doing a new doctor visit and getting a new prescription because of how much out-of-pocked expense it would entail, and I'd guess that more than a few of the arresting officers have done the same thing.

Pretty crazy if this is as reported. An undercover sting operation and all they get is possession of codeine syrup and he is arrested and released on only a $2500 bond? An undercover sting just for that? Weird.

492 Bagua  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:41:03pm

re: #446 Stanley Sea

Codeine syrup though? Seems like a reach. Maybe he had a bad cough.

A reach? Syrup abuse is huge in Houston.

493 Ojoe  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:41:22pm

Do not flush the toilet while the train is in the station.

494 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:41:26pm

re: #489 Stanley Sea

Don't talk to me alright! Knock it off!

[Video]

Leaf got busted for oxy too. Wonder what happened?


you knew leaf was in a bad way when he started "rocking" the lunch lady arms ...

495 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:41:32pm

re: #481 RadicalModerate

Unless they found a large amount of the stuff in his possession, I see this as an attempted face-saving move by the Sheriff's office after not finding other controlled substances that they were digging for.

There's been many a time that I've borrowed codeine-based cough syrup from friends instead of doing a new doctor visit and getting a new prescription because of how much out-of-pocked expense it would entail, and I'd guess that more than a few of the arresting officers have done the same thing.

This is exactly how I see this. Having worked in a criminal defense firm for a few years, I've seen what really determined departments will do. It gets ridiculous.

It's far, far easier to go for the stupid little charge than admit that maybe, just maybe, you were investigating the wrong person.

496 Political Atheist  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:41:54pm

re: #482 HoosierHoops

Or for a thrill take the 1... well not fast but shall we say with considerable alacrity. Great fun in a capable car. Frequent stops for sheer eye candy coastline.

497 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:42:07pm

re: #492 Bagua

A reach? Syrup abuse is huge in Houston.

Yeah but it's not half as bad as the pancake abuse. That shit is out of control.

498 b_sharp  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:42:18pm

re: #478 windsagio

ITs a common thing really, I think we have an inprogrammed respect for civil authority.

We are programmed to respect and follow authority but many of us break away from it for whatever reason. I think it depends on the situation as well, we have different levels of respect for different circumstances.

I think there is quite a range, all the way from authoritarian to anti-authoritarian.

499 brookly red  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:42:34pm

re: #497 Fozzie Bear

Yeah but it's not half as bad as the pancake abuse. That shit is out of control.

I blame IHOP

500 Gus  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:43:02pm

re: #497 Fozzie Bear

Yeah but it's not half as bad as the pancake abuse. That shit is out of control.

I blame Big Syrup.

/

501 Ojoe  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:43:26pm

e pericoloso sporgersi

it is dangerous to lean out

502 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:43:40pm

I got $5 here says I can eat this entire container of Cool Whip in under 5 minutes!! Any takers???

(wha ,, I've been at work,, alone ,, for over 9 1/2 hours now ,, I'm bored!!)

503 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:43:40pm

Good evening independence, independents and in-deep-end-ents.

504 brookly red  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:43:53pm

re: #500 Gus 802

I blame Big Syrup.

/

this could get sticky...

505 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:43:54pm

re: #423 sattv4u2

but I am powerless to change it.

sorry ,, but the wheel and pedals are in your control. If mom yells about it for a few,, oh well,, she'll get over it (and this coming from a man that has parents that are the same way and are 85)

You don't know my mom, we fight like "cats and dogs" every other day as it is, mainly because she treats everyone, and I mean everyone, like a complete moron. She also spends time every morning giving me all the warnings that "God" told her to give to me the night before, then gets on the phone to my brother, sister, aunt, and the rest of the family to warn them about whatever "God" told her about them...

It is death by a thousand little cuts every day while she treats you as a moronic serf by trying to assert her superior intelligence in any and every subject, even the ones she knows absolutely nothing about. Every now and then, like once every few days lately, I snap back at her, but that only makes her cry and run to dad playing the deeply wronged martyr. I desperately need a vacation from this for a while...

Arguing with her about parking in a handicapped spot just is not worth the drama, it just isn't, we have enough drama around here lately as it is.

/(by the way just in case you think I am exaggerating both my brother and sister have told me they cannot believe that I have been able to put up with it for a week, much less for the months I have so far.)

506 Stanghazi  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:44:18pm

re: #500 Gus 802

I blame Big Syrup.

/

And IHOP has it's hands in both.

507 Gus  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:44:24pm

re: #504 brookly red

this could get sticky...

Better call the SWAT team.

508 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:44:33pm

re: #502 sattv4u2

I got $5 here says I can eat this entire container of Cool Whip in under 5 minutes!! Any takers???

(wha ,, I've been at work,, alone ,, for over 9 1/2 hours now ,, I'm bored!!)


Sox are on NESN .... I know you're watching

509 Bagua  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:44:49pm

re: #497 Fozzie Bear

Yeah but it's not half as bad as the pancake abuse. That shit is out of control.

Purple Drank

Big thing, really. Even has its own musical sub-genre.

510 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:44:51pm

re: #502 sattv4u2

I got $5 here says I can eat this entire container of Cool Whip in under 5 minutes!! Any takers???

(wha ,, I've been at work,, alone ,, for over 9 1/2 hours now ,, I'm bored!!)

Can we take bets on the likelihood of the tub of cool whip making a triumphant return all over the floor, via your face?

511 Gus  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:45:02pm

re: #506 Stanley Sea

And IHOP has it's hands in both.

They bought all the maple tree farms in the Northeast.

/

512 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:45:03pm

re: #505 ausador

You don't know my mom, we fight like "cats and dogs" every other day as it is

so then ,, adding this to the "fight list" is no biggie, except you won;t feel guilty anymore about doing it

513 Ojoe  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:45:32pm

re: #505 ausador

Oh man you don't need pestering like that.

I hope you get away from it big time.

514 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:45:46pm

re: #510 Fozzie Bear

Can we take bets on the likelihood of the tub of cool whip making a triumphant return all over the floor, via your face?

I'll put up another $5 says it won't!

515 b_sharp  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:46:01pm

re: #484 brookly red

it goes both ways, I remember there were those who looking for that jerk (O'Keef was his name ?) to go to club Fed.

There seems to be a trend here to sacrifice potentially innocent people in order to make sure the guilty aren't running free. It may be a reaction to overly lax laws over the past 40 years.

516 Bear  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:46:16pm

re: #496 Rightwingconspirator

Do they still run the Skunk out of Ft. Bragg?

517 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:46:27pm

re: #231 MandyManners

How many times do you have to make this comment-- and see it deleted--- before you get a clue? Your bigotry and Muslim hating isn't wanted.

518 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:46:48pm

re: #515 b_sharp

There seems to be a trend here to sacrifice potentially innocent people in order to make sure the guilty aren't running free. It may be a reaction to overly lax laws over the past 40 years.

This is the direct result of the ill-conceived "war on drugs", imo.

519 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:47:08pm

re: #505 ausador

You don't know my mom, we fight like "cats and dogs" every other day as it is, mainly because she treats everyone, and I mean everyone, like a complete moron. She also spends time every morning giving me all the warnings that "God" told her to give to me the night before, then gets on the phone to my brother, sister, aunt, and the rest of the family to warn them about whatever "God" told her about them...

It is death by a thousand little cuts every day while she treats you as a moronic serf by trying to assert her superior intelligence in any and every subject, even the ones she knows absolutely nothing about. Every now and then, like once every few days lately, I snap back at her, but that only makes her cry and run to dad playing the deeply wronged martyr. I desperately need a vacation from this for a while...

Arguing with her about parking in a handicapped spot just is not worth the drama, it just isn't, we have enough drama around here lately as it is.

/(by the way just in case you think I am exaggerating both my brother and sister have told me they cannot believe that I have been able to put up with it for a week, much less for the months I have so far.)


tell her God said it was OK to kill her ...

/

520 Ojoe  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:47:12pm

re: #516 Bear

Yes they do, and sometimes with a steam engine, a Mikado from the 1920s.

521 brookly red  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:47:30pm

re: #502 sattv4u2

I got $5 here says I can eat this entire container of Cool Whip in under 5 minutes!! Any takers???

(wha ,, I've been at work,, alone ,, for over 9 1/2 hours now ,, I'm bored!!)

I am disappointed... Joey Chestnut could only do 54 hot dogs this year.

522 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:47:58pm

re: #521 brookly red

I am disappointed... Joey Chestnut could only do 54 hot dogs this year.

That is so foul.

His digestive system must hate him.

523 brookly red  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:48:21pm

re: #515 b_sharp

There seems to be a trend here to sacrifice potentially innocent people in order to make sure the guilty aren't running free. It may be a reaction to overly lax laws over the past 40 years.

maybe... hard to say.

524 Nimed  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:48:42pm

re: #503 Spare O'Lake

Good evening independence, independents and in-deep-end-ents.

1143! Afonso Henriques, é o maior!

525 Bear  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:49:05pm

re: #520 Ojoe

Good. Last time I was on it was the day of a large quake out Ferndale way.

526 Bagua  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:49:36pm

Freak-A-Zoid


- Midnight Star
527 Ojoe  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:50:26pm

Mikado locomotives are 2-8-2.

528 Political Atheist  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:50:52pm

re: #516 Bear

Yes they do. I have never taken it, not yet.

529 Ojoe  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:51:59pm

re: #525 Bear

It shakes a lot in Ferndale.

One day Northern California will get an 8.0 from the subducting plate off the Northern California and Oregon coast.

530 Jimmah  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:52:15pm

re: #517 iceweasel

How many times do you have to make this comment-- and see it deleted--- before you get a clue? Your bigotry and Muslim hating isn't wanted.

Some people here are updinging Mandy's bigoted comments and downdinging those critical of them so it seems that some people here do want her bigotry and muslim hating very much. What's up with that?

531 freetoken  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:52:44pm

Sure enough, HotWingNuts has jumped on the Dutch report (where the Dutch took responsibility for one of the minor errors that made its way into the AR4.) Yet none of the commenters over there seems to know what the content of the story is about.

I conclude they don't want to know what the real story is all about.

532 Bagua  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:53:06pm

re: #530 Jimmah

Some people here are updinging Mandy's bigoted comments and downdinging those critical of them so it seems that some people here do want her bigotry and muslim hating very much. What's up with that?

Downding the hostile trolling.

533 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:53:29pm

re: #530 Jimmah

Some people here are updinging Mandy's bigoted comments and downdinging those critical of them so it seems that some people here do want her bigotry and muslim hating very much. What's up with that?

It'll be interesting to see them run for cover when the deletions happen. lol.

"Gotta go check the oven!"

534 Ojoe  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:53:31pm
535 b_sharp  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:54:13pm

re: #486 sattv4u2

Is that a True Value or Dutch Boy Broad Brush !?!?!

// (well,,, kinda!!)

We have a conservative talk show in the area that gets a range of callers. I've listened to it long enough that I recognize the regulars and have grown to know their philosophies. Some of them are extreme in their views, and to a person, believe arrest equals guilt. They are a small but significant subset of callers to the show.

I can't extrapolate this to any other area, including the any in the US because I don't have enough information yet. That's why I was careful to be specific.

536 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:54:31pm

re: #533 iceweasel

re: #530 Jimmah

Hi you two!
*waves*

537 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:55:29pm

re: #532 Bagua

Downding the hostile trolling.

Pointing out that Charles deleted an identical comment by Mandy just last week is not trolling.

538 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:57:06pm

re: #530 Jimmah

Some people here are updinging Mandy's bigoted comments and downdinging those critical of them so it seems that some people here do want her bigotry and muslim hating very much. What's up with that?

Mandy is a good person ... if you don't like her opinions, you should ignore them. in some ways, by always citing her more controversial posts as something awful, you actually get more people to read them to see what they say. Not everyone on the board goes "A to Z" on every thread.

539 Gus  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:57:10pm

45 RUSSELL, JAMARCUS B/M/24 08/09/1985 201000013901 07/05/2010 16:22:27 MCSO/HARRIS S10070106 RELEASED POSSESSION CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE 2500

[Link: www.mobileso.com...]

He's #45.

540 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:58:21pm

re: #538 _RememberTonyC

Mandy is a good person ... if you don't like her opinions, you should ignore them. in some ways, by always citing her more controversial posts as something awful, you actually get more people to read them to see what they say. Not everyone on the board goes "A to Z" on every thread.

I'm lucky I can keep up with whats being posted NOW, let alone while I'm not HERE

//(only somewhat)

541 Jimmah  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:59:24pm

re: #536 Floral Giraffe

re: #530 Jimmah

Hi you two!
*waves*

Hi FG - how's it going? :)

I'm putting up a picture post soon - I'll give you the lkin k when it's done.

542 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:59:27pm

re: #540 sattv4u2

I try to respond on a post per post basis.

I often fail. I think alot of us do.

543 Bear  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 4:59:40pm

re: #529 Ojoe

The day after the ride I went up Ferndale way to work communications for the earthquake relief operations. Only communications working were bu radios. Real mess when various agency frequencies differed between agency and agency. Had to do relays via 2 meter ham stations.

544 Bagua  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:00:05pm

re: #537 iceweasel

Pointing out that Charles deleted an identical comment by Mandy just last week is not trolling.

Look Iceweasel, everyone can see you are all over Mandy. Whether she had posts deleted or not is irrelevant to the bullying. Let's be nice to each other.

545 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:00:05pm

re: #537 iceweasel

Pointing out that Charles deleted an identical comment by Mandy just last week is not trolling.

Then report it!

She (Mandy) isn't "here" right now, as far as I can see, and (most) of the rest of us wouldn't have known the comment was even there if you hadn't pointed to it!

546 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:00:21pm

re: #536 Floral Giraffe

re: #530 Jimmah

Hi you two!
*waves*

Hi sweetie! S'up? (multitasking so I'm in and out) I'll email you. hope you're well!

547 Gus  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:00:50pm

More BS due to the Controlled Substance Act of 1970.

And get this...

Ever heard of “purple drank?” Before Germany destroyed England this morning, Outside the Lines chronicled how the concoction is gaining popularity among athletes. The story centers around the 2008 felony drug charge against Packers’ lineman, Johnny Jolly. Police found a Styrofoam cup filled with liquid and ice when they pull Jolly over. That liquid turned out to be a mixture of prescription cough syrup, Sprite and Jolly Ranchers.

Which led to this...

On July 8, 2008, Houston police arrested Jolly for possession of at least 200 grams of codeine, a second-degree felony. He appeared at court on July 22. He became the first Packer since 1987 to stand trial on a felony charge. If convicted, he could face between 2–20 years in prison. Charges against Jolly were dismissed in a Texas court on July 16, but were refiled shortly in December 2009. The dismissal stemmed from police awaiting new equipment that measures codeine amounts. Jolly faces a possible maximum sentence of up to twenty years in jail, but because he is a first time offender Jolly is eligible for probation.

2 to 20 years for only 200 grams of codeine.

Two black men arrested for a stupid drug. One arrested in Alabama and another in Texas.

548 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:01:06pm

re: #542 Fozzie Bear

I try to respond on a post per post basis.

I often fail. I think alot of us do.

Same here. Going back to see what someone posted while I wasn't here is well ,,, creepy! ESPECIALLY if the post wasn't directed AT me!

549 albusteve  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:01:36pm

re: #533 iceweasel

It'll be interesting to see them run for cover when the deletions happen. lol.

"Gotta go check the oven!"

your hate is overflowing again...chill out

550 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:01:49pm

re: #544 Bagua

It is highly relevant when someone repeatedly reposts the identical bigoted comment that has been previously deleted.

I'm sorry it makes you sad that Mandy makes such comments, but take it up with her.

551 albusteve  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:02:16pm

re: #537 iceweasel

Pointing out that Charles deleted an identical comment by Mandy just last week is not trolling.

only you give a shit...you love that stuff

552 freetoken  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:02:39pm

re: #547 Gus 802

The so called "war on drugs" has had such collateral damage that I thing it is imperative that we just stop it.

553 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:03:31pm

Outta here. It will be fun to see people defend the comment I'm objecting to, or try to avoid the issue by attacking me.
Good luck with that.

Later.

554 Stanghazi  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:03:34pm

re: #545 sattv4u2

Then report it!

She (Mandy) isn't "here" right now, as far as I can see, and (most) of the rest of us wouldn't have known the comment was even there if you hadn't pointed to it!

Well I have to say I totally noticed it, and noted it's inappropriateness, but didn't want to start any Islam debate this nice Monday. Wimpy on my part yes.

555 albusteve  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:03:50pm

re: #550 iceweasel

It is highly relevant when someone repeatedly reposts the identical bigoted comment that has been previously deleted.

I'm sorry it makes you sad that Mandy makes such comments, but take it up with her.

relevant to whom?....relax before you stroke out

556 Gus  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:04:06pm

re: #552 freetoken

The so called "war on drugs" has had such collateral damage that I thing it is imperative that we just stop it.

Seriously. This is complete lunacy. 2 to 20 years not for distribution mind you but possession.

557 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:04:07pm

re: #552 freetoken

The so called "war on drugs" has had such collateral damage that I thing it is imperative that we just stop it.

At the very least, narrow it to the drug lords and major distributors, not the kid in the street who has A joint

558 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:04:17pm

re: #541 Jimmah

Yeah!
How's your summer?

559 Jimmah  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:04:19pm

re: #538 _RememberTonyC

Mandy is a good person ... if you don't like her opinions, you should ignore them. in some ways, by always citing her more controversial posts as something awful, you actually get more people to read them to see what they say. Not everyone on the board goes "A to Z" on every thread.

Charles has expressed many times that he actually wants people to report bigoted comments. I'll take that as being more relevant than what the various members of LGF's wingnut faction has to say about it.

560 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:04:20pm

re: #553 iceweasel

Outta here. It will be fun to see people defend the comment I'm objecting to, or try to avoid the issue by attacking me.
Good luck with that.

Later.

have a great night

561 brookly red  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:04:28pm

re: #548 sattv4u2

Same here. Going back to see what someone posted while I wasn't here is well ,,, creepy! ESPECIALLY if the post wasn't directed AT me!

an waiting to gang up and premeditatedly attack a poster is nothing short of a mugging.

562 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:04:39pm

re: #554 Stanley Sea

Well I have to say I totally noticed it, and noted it's inappropriateness, but didn't want to start any Islam debate this nice Monday. Wimpy on my part yes.

Then as stated,, quietly report it

563 Achilles Tang  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:04:45pm

re: #517 iceweasel

How many times do you have to make this comment-- and see it deleted--- before you get a clue? Your bigotry and Muslim hating isn't wanted.

I've been known to say there is no fun in Lutheranism. It is hardly bigotry or hate, whatever particular non fun you use.

There seems to have been a sudden outbreak of political correctness here, as opposed to the more serious terms that are being diluted to become meaningless.

Next week I'll link to some amusing cartoons.

564 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:05:28pm

re: #559 Jimmah

Charles has expressed many times that he actually wants people to report bigoted comments. I'll take that as being more relevant than what the various members of LGF's wingnut faction has to say about it.


fuck you

565 Bagua  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:05:30pm

re: #553 iceweasel

Outta here. It will be fun to see people defend the comment I'm objecting to, or try to avoid the issue by attacking me.
Good luck with that.

Later.

No one is attacking you Iceweasel or defending any particular comment, just saying chill with Mandy a bit.

566 prairiefire  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:05:42pm

re: #543 Bear

The day after the ride I went up Ferndale way to work communications for the earthquake relief operations. Only communications working were bu radios. Real mess when various agency frequencies differed between agency and agency. Had to do relays via 2 meter ham stations.

Wasn't this problem part of what the Patriot Act addressed? Trying to remember. i know it was an issue on 9/11.

567 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:06:19pm

re: #559 Jimmah

Charles has expressed many times that he actually wants people to report bigoted comments. I'll take that as being more relevant than what the various members of LGF's wingnut faction has to say about it.

As a percieved (by you) member of that "faction" see [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

If you see that as a defense of the comment, so be it

568 Jimmah  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:06:43pm

re: #558 Floral Giraffe

Yeah!
How's your summer?

Missing iceweasel badly. But hanging in there :) One thing about summer in Scotland is that it's (being kind here)...refreshingly temperate ;-)

569 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:06:51pm

re: #547 Gus 802

More BS due to the Controlled Substance Act of 1970.

And get this...

2 to 20 years for only 200 grams of codeine.

Two black men arrested for a stupid drug. One arrested in Alabama and another in Texas.

re: #552 freetoken

The so called "war on drugs" has had such collateral damage that I thing it is imperative that we just stop it.

Absolutely.

I am amazed that more fiscal conservatives aren't all over this issue. It is massively expensive, destructive to society, and one of the last widespread bastions of institutionalized racism.

Plus, it is utterly unwinnable. Prohibition has never, and will never work.

570 windsagio  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:07:04pm

re: #564 _RememberTonyC

Now things are cookin'!

No wait.

571 albusteve  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:07:35pm

re: #556 Gus 802

Seriously. This is complete lunacy. 2 to 20 years not for distribution mind you but possession.

back in the late 60s some guy in Texas got like 20yrs for offing a joint or two to a cop....the outrage went on for years and Hugh Hefner took the thing and published this guys pleas from Huntsville...Hef finally decided to finance an appeal and eventually the guy was released after some years...it was a huge deal at the time

572 windsagio  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:07:46pm

re: #569 Fozzie Bear

You guys missed the boat. The real problem isn't the prohibition of drugs, but rather Illegal immigrants!

573 Bagua  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:08:25pm

re: #559 Jimmah

Charles has expressed many times that he actually wants people to report bigoted comments. I'll take that as being more relevant than what the various members of LGF's wingnut faction has to say about it.

Lol. "Bigot", "Wingnut", "deleted", "Charles".

574 windsagio  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:09:07pm

re: #565 Bagua

Seriously bagua, I was trying to stay out of this one for some reason, but why should we accept unacceptable behavior?

LGF is mostly self-policing, but it doesn't work if we give people freebies because of who they are.

575 Jimmah  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:09:21pm

re: #565 Bagua

No one is attacking you Iceweasel or defending any particular comment, just saying chill with Mandy a bit.

You were asked - many times now - to apologise to ice after calling her various disgusting names. You point blank refused - so don't talk to her or me about being civil, creep.

576 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:09:50pm

I'm gonna defend a friend. We all know Mandy. Charles knows Mandy. Mandy is a Lizard who matters. She is salty and she is blunt. And yes, she has strong opinions. And she has been around here a LONG time. Much longer than those who like to judge her. I'll defend her right to speak freely without being subject to "the room."

Go Mandy.

577 Racer X  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:10:01pm

Heh.

578 windsagio  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:10:16pm

OT: Hey SS, how you been? I'm finally done with my ocean of extra shifts :D

579 Bear  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:10:20pm

re: #566 prairiefire

Do not know but I would still think the various agencies operate on different freqs. Real problem when highway patrol can not directly talk to local Law enforcement, Red Cross, National Guard etc. Then there is the problem where cell phones do not work.

580 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:10:26pm

re: #519 _RememberTonyC

tell her God said it was OK to kill her ...

/

Not helpful, since she is my mother and I am not a sociopath that has not ever even occurred to me as an option. The scary part is she is almost sure to outlive dad given his health problems. Dad moderates her and his presence makes her somewhat bearable, after he is gone this is really going to be hell. :(

581 Achilles Tang  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:10:54pm

re: #574 windsagio

Seriously bagua, I was trying to stay out of this one for some reason, but why should we accept unacceptable behavior?

LGF is mostly self-policing, but it doesn't work if we give people freebies because of who they are.

I find your downdinging instead of making your case sometimes unacceptable. Think I should report you?

582 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:10:55pm

re: #570 windsagio

Now things are cookin'!

No wait.

my explanation is below .... hopefully it's clear :)

583 albusteve  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:11:15pm

re: #575 Jimmah

You were asked - many times now - to apologise to ice after calling her various disgusting names. You point blank refused - so don't talk to her or me about being civil, creep.

oh give me a break...IW has been entirely rude to people for no good reason including me...quit with the butthurt....nobody is innocent especially her...she neevr apologized to me, don't be ridiculous, stirring the shit

584 Stanghazi  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:11:28pm

re: #578 windsagio

OT: Hey SS, how you been? I'm finally done with my ocean of extra shifts :D

Great! Enjoying the time off. Got to go back to the grind tomorrow. It ends in August though, I'm so counting down. Just got the first direct deposit though, that's quite nice.

Share some picnic stories!

585 brookly red  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:11:31pm

re: #572 windsagio

You guys missed the boat. The real problem isn't the prohibition of drugs, but rather Illegal immigrants!

/there is no fun in illegal immigration...

586 windsagio  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:11:34pm

re: #576 _RememberTonyC

I'm gonna defend a friend. We all know Mandy. Charles knows Mandy. Mandy is a Lizard who matters. She is salty and she is blunt. And yes, she has strong opinions. And she has been around here a LONG time. Much longer than those who like to judge her. I'll defend her right to speak freely without being subject to "the room."

Go Mandy.

Lol@seniority. And that's only the silliest thing wrong with that statement.

People aren't special beyond the content of their posts... And the content of that particular post was loathsome.

587 windsagio  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:12:53pm

re: #581 Naso Tang

Go for it!

Sometimes its not worth starting a big fight to no gain (which explaining downdings inevitably does).

588 windsagio  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:13:23pm

lol I think Charles starts a new thread whenever things get too crazy in the last one (which seems to inevitably happen during peak hours :p)

589 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:13:35pm

re: #580 ausador

Not helpful, since she is my mother and I am not a sociopath that has not ever even occurred to me as an option. The scary part is she is almost sure to outlive dad given his health problems. Dad moderates her and his presence makes her somewhat bearable, after he is gone this is really going to be hell. :(

i am sorry ... my sarc tag was inadequate and I apologize. I'm a gallows humor type and have had plenty of issues with my family. I find that if I can't reason with a member of my family, I simply withdraw. Good luck and please accept my apology ...

590 Racer X  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:14:07pm

re: #576 _RememberTonyC

I'm gonna defend a friend. We all know Mandy. Charles knows Mandy. Mandy is a Lizard who matters. She is salty and she is blunt. And yes, she has strong opinions. And she has been around here a LONG time. Much longer than those who like to judge her. I'll defend her right to speak freely without being subject to "the room."

Go Mandy.

If I had a dollar for every time a Lizard posted a comment that got my panties all in a bunch I - well shoot, that analogy won't work because when I see stupid comments I mostly ignore them.

591 Achilles Tang  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:14:20pm

re: #587 windsagio

Go for it!

Sometimes its not worth starting a big fight to no gain (which explaining downdings inevitably does).

Sounds like a cop out argument to me, but at least you made one this time.

:)

592 Bagua  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:14:20pm

re: #575 Jimmah

You were asked - many times now - to apologise to ice after calling her various disgusting names. You point blank refused - so don't talk to her or me about being civil, creep.

Lol at your at your one-sided cherry picking from dead threads. As you or Iceweasel were on the other side making insults you had a role in any prior kerfuffle. In fact you were usually the instigator.

Try not to be so angry all the time.

593 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:14:48pm

re: #553 iceweasel

Outta here. It will be fun to see people defend the comment I'm objecting to, or try to avoid the issue by attacking me.
Good luck with that.

Later.

*pfft*

594 windsagio  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:15:36pm

re: #584 Stanley Sea

First story: Was describing it to a new guy and he said "The way you guys talk about these things, its like its Bosnia or something!"


The picnic itself was pretty boring tho', lotsa disabled people yelling at each other and stealing each others food.

Also had a long convo with one of the guys about why he can't have fireworks (the state does NOT approve).

595 albusteve  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:15:39pm

re: #576 _RememberTonyC

I'm gonna defend a friend. We all know Mandy. Charles knows Mandy. Mandy is a Lizard who matters. She is salty and she is blunt. And yes, she has strong opinions. And she has been around here a LONG time. Much longer than those who like to judge her. I'll defend her right to speak freely without being subject to "the room."

Go Mandy.

it wasn't long ago that some new poster was calling you a troll for some reason...this hurt shit has hit the wall, nobody is trying to run anybody off, but it gets old really fast...I posted a simple disagreement with IW a day or to ago and she freaked, calling me a troll, angry, attacking her etc....it's comical in view of her own negative vibe

596 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:15:53pm

re: #586 windsagio

Lol@seniority. And that's only the silliest thing wrong with that statement.

People aren't special beyond the content of their posts... And the content of that particular post was loathsome.

luckily for Mandy, Charles has a different set of rules than you. Maybe old friends don't matter to newer Lizards, but some of us consider her a friend for 4-5 years. We know she's a good person.

597 windsagio  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:16:10pm

re: #592 Bagua

My head just asploded from the irony >>

598 brookly red  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:16:38pm

re: #593 Spare O'Lake

*pfft*

just say no

599 Bagua  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:17:14pm

re: #597 windsagio

My head just asploded from the irony >>

Fun, isn't it?~~

600 Jimmah  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:17:36pm

re: #576 _RememberTonyC

I'm gonna defend a friend. We all know Mandy. Charles knows Mandy. Mandy is a Lizard who matters. She is salty and she is blunt. And yes, she has strong opinions. And she has been around here a LONG time. Much longer than those who like to judge her. I'll defend her right to speak freely without being subject to "the room."

Go Mandy.

No one is objecting to 'Mandy'. The objection is to instances of bigotry that Charles has already made clear are not wanted on the site.

So just to be clear, what you are saying is actually "Go bigotry! Screw Charles's suffocating rules!"

601 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:17:43pm

re: #501 Ojoe

e pericoloso sporgersi

it is dangerous to lean out

Bigiletti, per favore.

602 windsagio  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:18:07pm

re: #596 _RememberTonyC

Yay for appeals to authority too!


You 'know' over the internet that she's a good person? As far as you know she's a 23 year old Vietnamese man with a bad personality disorder.

603 albusteve  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:18:10pm

re: #597 windsagio

My head just asploded from the irony >>

probably...what's new?
you wanna control what people post?

604 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:18:38pm

re: #595 albusteve

it wasn't long ago that some new poster was calling you a troll for some reason...this hurt shit has hit the wall, nobody is trying to run anybody off, but it gets old really fast...I posted a simple disagreement with IW a day or to ago and she freaked, calling me a troll, angry, attacking her etc...it's comical in view of her own negative vibe


If someone considers me a troll, they're misguided. But I have seen lots of that sort of thing. And it gets annoying when the hall monitors can't handle "old school" LGF discussion. Tough shit.

605 albusteve  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:19:19pm

re: #600 Jimmah

No one is objecting to 'Mandy'. The objection is to instances of bigotry that Charles has already made clear are not wanted on the site.

So just to be clear, what you are saying is actually "Go bigotry! Screw Charles's suffocating rules!"

no, the issue is mind your own fucking business

606 windsagio  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:19:23pm

re: #603 albusteve

Yes I totally do!

In my New World Order people aren't allowed to post 'Amazing Grace' for manipulative reasons or say 'fuck you' for no reason!

607 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:19:25pm

re: #586 windsagio

Lol@seniority. And that's only the silliest thing wrong with that statement.

People aren't special beyond the content of their posts... And the content of that particular post was loathsome.

Precisely. It's indefensible.

608 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:20:25pm

re: #600 Jimmah

No one is objecting to 'Mandy'. The objection is to instances of bigotry that Charles has already made clear are not wanted on the site.

So just to be clear, what you are saying is actually "Go bigotry! Screw Charles's suffocating rules!"

No,, what was really being said was
"Take it up with Charles (i.e. report the offending comment) rather than airing it here while the poster isn't even here !! "

609 windsagio  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:20:56pm

re: #607 iceweasel

But but! Everybody finds salty women secretly hot!

(so from your position is seeing the 'chick card' played so hard entertaining or annoying, or maybe par for the course?)

610 windsagio  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:21:18pm

re: #608 sattv4u2

everybody arguing here is getting their needs met Satt, hell theres a new thread if you don't wanna take part :D

611 albusteve  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:21:34pm

re: #604 _RememberTonyC

If someone considers me a troll, they're misguided. But I have seen lots of that sort of thing. And it gets annoying when the hall monitors can't handle "old school" LGF discussion. Tough shit.

you were not around so I went to bat for you....fuckers dog piled me bigtime, it was a disgrace...one then another until I was brawling with every leftist noob here....nobody said a word about the deplorable behavior

612 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:21:37pm

re: #600 Jimmah

No one is objecting to 'Mandy'. The objection is to instances of bigotry that Charles has already made clear are not wanted on the site.

So just to be clear, what you are saying is actually "Go bigotry! Screw Charles's suffocating rules!"


actually i'm saying screw you and your hall monitor antics. we can handle a bit of controversy. don't bring european style PC rules to every discussion. we're not bigots and neither is Mandy.

613 ryannon  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:21:50pm

re: #606 windsagio

Yes I totally do!

In my New World Order people aren't allowed to post 'Amazing Grace' for manipulative reasons or say 'fuck you' for no reason!

Does that apply to people with Tourette's syndrome?

614 windsagio  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:22:27pm

re: #604 _RememberTonyC

I remember vaguely when this came up 8 months ago or so. Steve said I called you a troll, but neither of us could remember it actually happening :)

615 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:22:28pm

re: #602 windsagio

Yay for appeals to authority too!


You 'know' over the internet that she's a good person? As far as you know she's a 23 year old Vietnamese man with a bad personality disorder.


jeezus guys .... gimme a fucking break

616 albusteve  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:22:43pm

re: #606 windsagio

Yes I totally do!

In my New World Order people aren't allowed to post 'Amazing Grace' for manipulative reasons or say 'fuck you' for no reason!

use the quote button...otherwise it's just blab

617 windsagio  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:22:50pm

re: #613 ryannon

That would be a reason!

Except the entire world has 'internet tourettes', so maybe not.

618 Bagua  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:23:12pm

re: #600 Jimmah

No one is objecting to 'Mandy'. The objection is to instances of bigotry that Charles has already made clear are not wanted on the site.

So just to be clear, what you are saying is actually "Go bigotry! Screw Charles's suffocating rules!"

We can disagree without calling each other "bigot", and "wingnut" and such. Nor do we need inquisitions by lawyers who happen to also be in direct conflict with the "accused" making references to authority/Charles.

619 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:23:15pm

re: #600 Jimmah

No one is objecting to 'Mandy'.

You lie like a rug.

620 windsagio  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:24:58pm

re: #615 _RememberTonyC

The point is, people online lie all the time, and they front constantly. Especially somewhere like here, or like this place was a few years back.

Somebody can be fun and charming, but turn into a raging entitled beast when faced with opposition. Both parts of them can be real, but you shouldn't ignore the latter for the former.

621 albusteve  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:25:11pm

re: #607 iceweasel

Precisely. It's indefensible.

you seem to think you are somehow above the fray...hahaha!...until you change your attitude you will always be perceived as a ding whore and trouble maker...I want an apology for you calling me a troll the other night over the Steele gig...just apologize now

622 Racer X  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:25:54pm

Hahahahahaha!

Talk about 'butthurt'.

Hahahahahahaha!

623 Bagua  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:27:50pm

re: #620 windsagio

The point is, people online lie all the time, and they front constantly. Especially somewhere like here, or like this place was a few years back.

I disagree. The people here are pretty honest overall, in fact very much so. I'm my genuine self and so is everyone else.

624 windsagio  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:28:05pm

re: #622 Racer X

I am deeply butthurt when people slur a whole world religion, you're totally right.

625 Jimmah  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:28:05pm

re: #592 Bagua

Lol at your at your one-sided cherry picking from dead threads. As you or Iceweasel were on the other side making insults you had a role in any prior kerfuffle. In fact you were usually the instigator.

Try not to be so angry all the time.

Bollocks.

Show me what I said to you that is the equivalent insult to repeatedly calling my wife a psychopath, and refusing to take it back.

626 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:28:28pm

re: #617 windsagio

That would be a reason!

Except the entire world has 'internet tourettes', so maybe not.

Hi Windy... I'm baaaaaccckkkkk... just di 4.3 miles in the wonderful Colorado mountain... moderate trail... crosses a wetland area, 3 streams, birds, gullies, lots of granite... how are you? Did you calm down?

627 windsagio  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:28:28pm

re: #623 Bagua

And you accuse me of playing psychic :p

628 brookly red  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:28:31pm

re: #611 albusteve

you were not around so I went to bat for you...fuckers dog piled me bigtime, it was a disgrace...one then another until I was brawling with every leftist noob here...nobody said a word about the deplorable behavior

just say no

629 albusteve  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:28:54pm

re: #620 windsagio

The point is, people online lie all the time, and they front constantly. Especially somewhere like here, or like this place was a few years back.

Somebody can be fun and charming, but turn into a raging entitled beast when faced with opposition. Both parts of them can be real, but you shouldn't ignore the latter for the former.

good grief...what load
do you have any clue at all what shit like that sounds like around here?

630 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:29:25pm

re: #620 windsagio

The point is, people online lie all the time, and they front constantly. Especially somewhere like here, or like this place was a few years back.

Do you really lie all the time and front constantly?

631 windsagio  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:29:42pm

re: #626 Walter L. Newton

I went out for a while too, but then I got all worked up again :D

I walked over to the local thrift store and bought some shorts for my trip.

Thrift store Lingerie creeps me the hell out!

...

Sounds like your walk was more fun than mine :p

632 windsagio  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:30:04pm

re: #630 Spare O'Lake

Less than most, I like to think :)

633 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:30:12pm

re: #626 Walter L. Newton

Hi Windy... I'm baaaccckkk... just di 4.3 miles in the wonderful Colorado mountain... moderate trail... crosses a wetland area, 3 streams, birds, gullies, lots of granite... how are you? Did you calm down?

Your a better man than I

I take the dogs on a 1.75 mile walk in the park and I'm toast for hours after

634 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:30:20pm

re: #612 _RememberTonyC

actually i'm saying screw you and your hall monitor antics. we can handle a bit of controversy. don't bring european style PC rules to every discussion. we're not bigots and neither is Mandy.

Quite Concur, except for the 'screw you'.

635 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:30:52pm

re: #631 windsagio

I went out for a while too, but then I got all worked up again :D

I walked over to the local thrift store and bought some shorts for my trip.

Thrift store Lingerie creeps me the hell out!

...

Sounds like your walk was more fun than mine :p

Best way to travel to Europe... take only one bag, carry on only, and purchase day wear at thrift stores in the country you are in, then give them away when leaving... travel light.

Trip to where?

636 Ojoe  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:31:01pm

re: #543 Bear

Ham radio will always be there.

637 [deleted]  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:31:23pm
638 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:31:31pm

re: #636 Ojoe

Ham radio will always be there.

Ham ,,,, yummmmm!!!

639 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:31:44pm

re: #636 Ojoe

Ham radio will always be there.

CQ?

640 Jimmah  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:31:52pm

re: #624 windsagio

I am deeply butthurt when people slur a whole world religion, you're totally right.

Wingnuts still have no idea how to deploy the word "butthurt". Doesn't stop them from trying though.

641 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:32:16pm

re: #637 albusteve

fer god's sake...what a sissy
buck up and tell your wife to shut her rude mouth, maybe that will help

Hi Steve... playing with your food again?

642 Bagua  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:32:37pm

re: #634 Dark_Falcon

Quite Concur, except for the 'screw you'.

A gentleman and a scholar. I admire that.

643 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:32:37pm

re: #626 Walter L. Newton

Hi Windy... I'm baaaccckkk... just di 4.3 miles in the wonderful Colorado mountain... moderate trail... crosses a wetland area, 3 streams, birds, gullies, lots of granite... how are you? Did you calm down?

Well, it likely was cooler for you than for me. My family went up to Milwaukee. We went to the zoo, and it was fairly good but quite hot. 90+ degrees around here today, still around 87.

644 albusteve  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:32:39pm

re: #640 Jimmah

Wingnuts still have no idea how to deploy the word "butthurt". Doesn't stop them from trying though.

they can just listen to you and conclude for themselves...you are going overboard

645 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:33:02pm

re: #640 Jimmah

Wingnuts still have no idea how to deploy the word "butthurt". Doesn't stop them from trying though.

and moonbats use it like the end all and be all!!
"I used BUTTHURT ,, therefore I won the argument!!"

646 Racer X  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:33:03pm

I'm cracking up. You guys are very entertaining!

647 Ojoe  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:33:08pm

re: #639 Walter L. Newton

Well I'm not a ham, but my two kids both have radio merit badge.


Clear.

648 windsagio  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:33:51pm

re: #635 Walter L. Newton

Vegas. I don't gamble, but I'm totally taking part in the US's premier fighting game tournament.

I also have absolutely no chance of winning, but its effing fun!

My friend and his fiance' are coming too tho', strangely he proposed to her 2 days ago, (well the timing is strange to me).

Random gameplay video of the game I"ll be playing.

649 windsagio  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:34:29pm

re: #646 Racer X

"I'm amused!" is a deeply old and lame arugment.

650 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:34:35pm

re: #643 Dark_Falcon

Well, it likely was cooler for you than for me. My family went up to Milwaukee. We went to the zoo, and it was fairly good but quite hot. 90+ degrees around here today, still around 87.

It was around 72 when we left, just got back, 67 right now... Jefferson County Open Space has more public trails than any county per capita in the state.

651 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:34:59pm

re: #640 Jimmah

Wingnuts still have no idea how to deploy the word "butthurt". Doesn't stop them from trying though.

Would you please review its appropriate use, sir?

652 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:35:00pm

re: #634 Dark_Falcon

Quite Concur, except for the 'screw you'.

i only swear at people who have earned it :)

653 albusteve  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:35:03pm

re: #641 Walter L. Newton

Hi Steve... playing with your food again?

yes, but I put plastic down for this one....getting smarter!...
glad you enjoyed the mountains again, pretty cool eh?

654 brookly red  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:35:44pm

re: #645 sattv4u2

and moonbats use it like the end all and be all!!
"I used BUTTHURT ,, therefore I won the argument!!"

/you know I am going down to the local dog shelter getting a pack of pitbulls & training them to attack when someone says butt hurt...

655 albusteve  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:35:48pm

re: #646 Racer X

I'm cracking up. You guys are very entertaining!

isn't it?

656 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:36:00pm

re: #651 Dark_Falcon

Would you please review its appropriate use, sir?

You can buy a user manual at [Link: www.jimmahbutthurt.com...]

657 Bear  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:36:03pm

re: #636 Ojoe

How true. Unfortunately I do not think many agencies realize that their communication system can and probably will fail in a real emergency. Or worse yet do not remember that theirs did fail in a previous emergency. Some just do not learn I fear.

658 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:36:49pm

re: #650 Walter L. Newton

It was around 72 when we left, just got back, 67 right now... Jefferson County Open Space has more public trails than any county per capita in the state.

And I'm sure the views are lovely. The only place around IL/WI I know that is as good looking as Colorado is Devil's Lake, and I rarely get there.

659 Bagua  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:37:30pm

re: #640 Jimmah

Wingnuts still have no idea how to deploy the word "butthurt". Doesn't stop them from trying though.

Lol.

We are a couple dozen people who like to chat here with each other, a very diverse group politically, and you insist on calling several of us names like "wingnuts" and "bigot." And you do this from thread to thread, month to month. But should someone get irritated at your repetitive antics and note that this is anti-social behaviour, you weep and moan for months demanding apolagies.

Lighten up a bit.

660 Ojoe  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:37:40pm

re: #657 Bear

They go all digital and do not keep some analog equipment, sometimes.

BBL

661 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:37:41pm

re: #656 sattv4u2

You can buy a user manual at [Link: www.jimmahbutthurt.com...]

The link did not work.

662 brookly red  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:38:24pm

BEER RUN!

663 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:38:32pm

re: #661 Dark_Falcon

The link did not work.

oh ,,,well ,, send me 4 payments of $19.95 and I will forward it along!!

664 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:39:14pm

re: #653 albusteve

yes, but I put plastic down for this one...getting smarter!...
glad you enjoyed the mountains again, pretty cool eh?

Yes... although it has been in the high 80's, low 90's up here off and on, a bit hot for July at 8000+ feet, but we had a front come through last night, lots of mountain thunder rumblers and rain, clear out, much cooler today.

Watch out for splash back... plastic won't always catch that.

665 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:39:19pm

re: #662 brookly red

BEER RUN!

I've had beer pee before, but never the runs from it

666 albusteve  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:39:26pm

re: #658 Dark_Falcon

And I'm sure the views are lovely. The only place around IL/WI I know that is as good looking as Colorado is Devil's Lake, and I rarely get there.

consider moving west bro...take it slow but consider it...until you've seen where Walter lives, you have not covered all the bases...and Walter lives in a garbage dump compared to north central New Mexico, right Walter?...just say it

667 brookly red  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:39:50pm

re: #665 sattv4u2

I've had beer pee before, but never the runs from it

a pox upon your ancestors

668 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:40:09pm

re: #621 albusteve

you seem to think you are somehow above the fray...hahaha!...until you change your attitude you will always be perceived as a ding whore and trouble maker...I want an apology for you calling me a troll the other night over the Steele gig...just apologize now

troll = those who dare to oppose "self appointed thought police."

669 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:40:31pm

re: #667 brookly red

a pox upon your ancestors

naahh ,, they were vaccinated when they came over from the old country!!

670 Jimmah  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:40:51pm

re: #637 albusteve

fer god's sake...what a sissy
buck up and tell your wife to shut her rude mouth, maybe that will help

What lovely characters you wingnuts are eh?

"Got a problem with someone repeatedly slandering your wife? Tell her to shut her mouth!"

Too disgusting. I'm outro for now.

671 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:41:08pm

re: #666 albusteve

consider moving west bro...take it slow but consider it...until you've seen where Walter lives, you have not covered all the bases...and Walter lives in a garbage dump compared to north central New Mexico, right Walter?...just say it

For you... I'll say yes... jerk.

672 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:41:36pm

re: #670 Jimmah

What lovely characters you wingnuts are eh?

"Got a problem with someone repeatedly slandering your wife? Tell her to shut her mouth!"

Too disgusting. I'm outro for now.


have a great night

673 albusteve  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:41:43pm

re: #659 Bagua

Lol.

We are a couple dozen people who like to chat here with each other, a very diverse group politically, and you insist on calling several of us names like "wingnuts" and "bigot." And you do this from thread to thread, month to month. But should someone get irritated at your repetitive antics and note that this is anti-social behaviour, you weep and moan for months demanding apolagies.

Lighten up a bit.

they can't...they thrive on friction to express their towering intellect...if there is no friction, then make it, and express their butthurt after the fact...it's pretty obvious how they 'earn' their relevance

674 Racer X  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:41:44pm

re: #649 windsagio

"I'm amused!" is a deeply old and lame arugment.

Agreed.

It's why my observation was "entertained".

And that is not an argument at all - it's an observation. It's OK with you if I make an observation right? Or do I need permission?

;-)

675 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:42:27pm

re: #668 _RememberTonyC

Boston 4
Tamp 1

top of the 4th

(I don't even recognize half the Boston roster!!!,, Any other team have as many injuries to starters??)

676 Racer X  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:42:52pm

re: #655 albusteve

isn't it?

"You can't use the term "butthurt"! ! ! ! It's MINE!

LOL!

677 windsagio  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:42:54pm

re: #674 Racer X

haha touche'!

Really this is one of those insoluble arguments that everybody totally feels they're showing the other guy what for, so everyones satisfied if a little annoyed.

678 Bagua  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:43:32pm

re: #670 Jimmah

What lovely characters you wingnuts are eh?

"Got a problem with someone repeatedly slandering your wife? Tell her to shut her mouth!"

Too disgusting. I'm outro for now.

"Wingnuts", "disgusting", "slandering".

Bullshit. All good people here. Enough with the divisiveness and hate.

679 Racer X  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:43:33pm

re: #659 Bagua

Lol.

We are a couple dozen people who like to chat here with each other, a very diverse group politically, and you insist on calling several of us names like "wingnuts" and "bigot." And you do this from thread to thread, month to month. But should someone get irritated at your repetitive antics and note that this is anti-social behaviour, you weep and moan for months demanding apolagies.

Lighten up a bit.

Upding times eleventy!

680 windsagio  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:43:57pm

re: #677 windsagio

PS: I'm proud of myself, I totally got through this whole argument without using the term 'tribalism' even once!

... oh shi...

681 albusteve  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:44:34pm

re: #670 Jimmah

What lovely characters you wingnuts are eh?

"Got a problem with someone repeatedly slandering your wife? Tell her to shut her mouth!"

Too disgusting. I'm outro for now.

good riddance
it's a losing proposition you've bet on...
when Charles pulls my account I suppose you will first in line to take the credit...spend as much time trying to get along as you do expressing you butthurt and things would be easier and more pleasant for you guys, and the rest of us

682 Jimmah  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:44:45pm

re: #651 Dark_Falcon

Would you please review its appropriate use, sir?

I think that's something YOU need to do DF. I've lost count of the number of people you have assured me of being 'not wingnuts' etc who now post on 2.0.

683 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:44:55pm

re: #611 albusteve

you were not around so I went to bat for you...fuckers dog piled me bigtime, it was a disgrace...one then another until I was brawling with every leftist noob here...nobody said a word about the deplorable behavior

Thanks Dude

684 Racer X  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:44:56pm

re: #677 windsagio

haha touche'!

Really this is one of those insoluble arguments that everybody totally feels they're showing the other guy what for, so everyones satisfied if a little annoyed.

I'm good.

Well, if I had a beer I would be doing better.

685 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:45:12pm

re: #678 Bagua

"Wingnuts", "disgusting", "slandering".

Bullshit. All good people here. Enough with the divisiveness and hate.

Well,, it's OKAY to call "us" names because we deserve it !!

686 albusteve  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:45:24pm

re: #671 Walter L. Newton

For you... I'll say yes... jerk.

I am sometimes

687 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:45:26pm

re: #659 Bagua

Lol.

We are a couple dozen people who like to chat here with each other, a very diverse group politically, and you insist on calling several of us names like "wingnuts" and "bigot." And you do this from thread to thread, month to month. But should someone get irritated at your repetitive antics and note that this is anti-social behaviour, you weep and moan for months demanding apolagies.

Lighten up a bit.

I thought "wingnut" was a name for the idiots on the extreme right wing of the GOP. Little did I know that LGF has now been infested with "wingnuts".

688 Bagua  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:45:45pm

re: #666 albusteve

consider moving west bro...take it slow but consider it...until you've seen where Walter lives, you have not covered all the bases...and Walter lives in a garbage dump compared to north central New Mexico, right Walter?...just say it

I do intend on seeing both your lair and Walter's.

689 albusteve  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:46:16pm

re: #680 windsagio

PS: I'm proud of myself, I totally got through this whole argument without using the term 'tribalism' even once!

... oh shi...

you don't count, that's why...

690 Jimmah  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:46:30pm

re: #680 windsagio

PS: I'm proud of myself, I totally got through this whole argument without using the term 'tribalism' even once!

... oh shi...

Catch you later windy :)

691 Racer X  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:46:59pm

re: #651 Dark_Falcon

Would you please review its appropriate use, sir?

Dude.

You are their biggest cheerleader, yet you got downdinged for this comment.

Butthurt!

692 windsagio  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:47:26pm

Its really the point hto', this whole argument is about defending someone people consider a friend, regardless of what they did. Admirable enough, I suppose.

(and that's my closing statement :p)

693 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:47:33pm

re: #687 Spare O'Lake

I thought "wingnut" was a name for the idiots on the extreme right wing of the GOP. Little did I know that LGF has now been infested with "wingnuts".

Anyone to the right of "my" position qualifies!

694 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:47:45pm

re: #682 Jimmah

I think that's something YOU need to do DF. I've lost count of the number of people you have assured me of being 'not wingnuts' etc who now post on 2.0.

Me too, friend. But Walter ain't going anywhere, not is Tony_C, nor is Spare. Nor am I leaving, if the decision is mine to make. The wingnuts are in fact gone. There are no crazies here.

695 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:47:56pm

re: #682 Jimmah

I think that's something YOU need to do DF. I've lost count of the number of people you have assured me of being 'not wingnuts' etc who now post on 2.0.

They're dead, Jim.

696 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:47:59pm

re: #687 Spare O'Lake

I thought "wingnut" was a name for the idiots on the extreme right wing of the GOP. Little did I know that LGF has now been infested with "wingnuts".


wingnut = anyone who dares to disagree with the self appointed "morality" police.

697 albusteve  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:48:06pm

re: #683 _RememberTonyC

Thanks Dude

nothing to it really, my pleasure

698 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:48:06pm

re: #688 Bagua

I do intend on seeing both your lair and Walter's.

And I wasn't kidding when I said the girlfriend and I will more than likely be in Paris in Jan. 2011... if you are headed that way, I give you details as they become firm, which should be with in the next month, for sure by the end of Aug.

699 Bagua  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:48:29pm

re: #682 Jimmah

I think that's something YOU need to do DF. I've lost count of the number of people you have assured me of being 'not wingnuts' etc who now post on 2.0.

"Wingnuts", "stalkers"


The good people here are not stalkers nor wingnuts. We just disagree on some political issues.

700 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:49:01pm

re: #692 windsagio

Its really the point hto', this whole argument is about defending someone people consider a friend, regardless of what they did. Admirable enough, I suppose.

(and that's my closing statement :p)

No ,, it's not

As stated above several times

A) report the offensive comment to Charles
B) take it up WITH the poster WHEN the poster is here!

701 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:49:16pm

re: #682 Jimmah

I think that's something YOU need to do DF. I've lost count of the number of people you have assured me of being 'not wingnuts' etc who now post on 2.0.

Loser.

702 Racer X  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:50:35pm

re: #687 Spare O'Lake

I thought "wingnut" was a name for the idiots on the extreme right wing of the GOP. Little did I know that LGF has now been infested with "wingnuts".

Yes.

Any time you disagree with those who are left of center you automatically get labeled as a 'wingnut'. Also if you dare to criticize anything the president, or anyone in the administration does.

703 albusteve  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:50:48pm

re: #700 sattv4u2

No ,, it's not

As stated above several times

A) report the offensive comment to Charles
B) take it up WITH the poster WHEN the poster is here!

cutting your throat after the fact is their specialty...so subtle, like nobody is watching?

704 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:50:56pm

re: #694 Dark_Falcon

Me too, friend. But Walter ain't going anywhere, not is Tony_C, nor is Spare. Nor am I leaving, if the decision is mine to make. The wingnuts are in fact gone. There are no crazies here.

Spot on... but they are working... slowly... at trying to get us to leave... Nimed started on my a few weeks ago... calling me a right winger... I suspect the wingnut appellation is not far behind.

The interesting thing is... these antics are totally transparent... yet they coo and caw like they are so clever... "oh... we are fooling the wingnuts..." LOL.

705 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:52:29pm

re: #702 Racer X

Yes.

Any time you disagree with those who are left of center you automatically get labeled as a 'wingnut'. Also if you dare to criticize anything the president, or anyone in the administration does.

Thats a SPECIAL kind of "wingnut"

Thats the BigotWing

706 Bagua  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:52:45pm

re: #698 Walter L. Newton

And I wasn't kidding when I said the girlfriend and I will more than likely be in Paris in Jan. 2011... if you are headed that way, I give you details as they become firm, which should be with in the next month, for sure by the end of Aug.

I'm quite looking forward to that actually. The exact date or amount of notice is unimportant.

707 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:53:14pm

re: #704 Walter L. Newton

Spot on... but they are working... slowly... at trying to get us to leave... Nimed started on my a few weeks ago... calling me a right winger... I suspect the wingnut appellation is not far behind.

The interesting thing is... these antics are totally transparent... yet they coo and caw like they are so clever... "oh... we are fooling the wingnuts..." LOL.

Let those who wish to do that try. I ain't gonna be run off.

708 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:53:27pm

re: #706 Bagua

I'm quite looking forward to that actually. The exact date or amount of notice is unimportant.

I'll take that off line with you at some time in the future...

709 albusteve  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:53:49pm

re: #704 Walter L. Newton

Spot on... but they are working... slowly... at trying to get us to leave... Nimed started on my a few weeks ago... calling me a right winger... I suspect the wingnut appellation is not far behind.

The interesting thing is... these antics are totally transparent... yet they coo and caw like they are so clever... "oh... we are fooling the wingnuts..." LOL.

just imagine what they say when you log off...LVQ and his buddies trashed me but good because I'm crippled and need my SS disability...really eye popping stuff...let me say this Walter, there are people here that absolutely have gone bonkers with hate...you, me and a few others

710 Bagua  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:56:27pm

re: #704 Walter L. Newton

Spot on... but they are working... slowly... at trying to get us to leave... Nimed started on my a few weeks ago... calling me a right winger... I suspect the wingnut appellation is not far behind.

The interesting thing is... these antics are totally transparent... yet they coo and caw like they are so clever... "oh... we are fooling the wingnuts..." LOL.

Exactly. What I find ironic* is that we were the centrists back when the blog had a group of people to the right of center. Now all of the sudden we are the new "right wingers". The goal seams to be to make us feel uncomfortable here and thereby purge us.

*sorry cato.

711 Racer X  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:56:29pm

Look, I enjoy the back and forth here. I enjoy the contributions of almost everyone - left or right side of the fence. There is no need to get pouty over a comment someone makes. Report it, or call them on it. Its not a big deal.

This is not an echo chamber. Deal with it.

712 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:58:19pm

re: #709 albusteve

just imagine what they say when you log off...LVQ and his buddies trashed me but good because I'm crippled and need my SS disability...really eye popping stuff...let me say this Walter, there are people here that absolutely have gone bonkers with hate...you, me and a few others

That's too bad... especially since I know the facts, that's not just too bad, that's crude, and cruel. But not at all surprising. Anytime I done posting, I don't look back to see what precedes... if certain people want to sit around blowing smoke after the party is over... fine... this is just the fucking internet... when I walk away from my workstation, I don't see any evident changes in my life... funny how that works... no one has any power here, unless we give them power... other than that... it's just bits and bytes... pixels in the wind... some people live for it... others can't live without it.

713 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:59:04pm

re: #704 Walter L. Newton

Spot on... but they are working... slowly... at trying to get us to leave... Nimed started on my a few weeks ago... calling me a right winger... I suspect the wingnut appellation is not far behind.

The interesting thing is... these antics are totally transparent... yet they coo and caw like they are so clever... "oh... we are fooling the wingnuts..." LOL.


so funny that you said this. one of the lefty noobs was trying to tweak me last week, apparently because he (and some others) think i have an obsession with the war on islamic extremism. this lizard thought they were toying with me and that I didn't see through their little game. but i kept responding in such a way as to appear clueless about the joke they thought they were playing on me. I got bored after a few minutes and quietly left. It made me chuckle.

714 albusteve  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 5:59:24pm

re: #710 Bagua

Exactly. What I find ironic* is that we were the centrists back when the blog had a group of people to the right of center. Now all of the sudden we are the new "right wingers". The goal seams to be to make us feel uncomfortable here and thereby purge us.

*sorry cato.

and I have zero affiliation for political parties...conservatives are dirt now regardless...yet I'm accused of trying to run off the morning libs because I defend myself...go figure

715 albusteve  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 6:00:18pm

re: #711 Racer X

Look, I enjoy the back and forth here. I enjoy the contributions of almost everyone - left or right side of the fence. There is no need to get pouty over a comment someone makes. Report it, or call them on it. Its not a big deal.

This is not an echo chamber. Deal with it.

no, it's a popularity contest now

716 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 6:00:47pm

Well... I noticed that the next outrage has been put up as a thread... let's all go see what the wingnut are up to now.

717 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 6:01:54pm

Let's review some of what's happened here for the benefit of the slow:

1.I object to a bigoted and hateful comment, pointing out that the identical comment made by the exact same person was deleted by Charles last week.

2. People react by freaking out and calling me names, as well as anyone else who likewise objects to that comment.

That's it. That's as plain as it can possibly be. If you defend that comment, you're an asshole. If you respond by attacking ME for pointing out that the owner of this site has found it objectionable, then you're a chickenshit asshole who needs to take your objections up with management. Not me.

Have a nice night!

718 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 6:03:28pm

re: #717 iceweasel

Let's review some of what's happened here for the benefit of the slow:

1.I object to a bigoted and hateful comment, pointing out that the identical comment made by the exact same person was deleted by Charles last week.

2. People react by freaking out and calling me names, as well as anyone else who likewise objects to that comment.

That's it. That's as plain as it can possibly be. If you defend that comment, you're an asshole. If you respond by attacking ME for pointing out that the owner of this site has found it objectionable, then you're a chickenshit asshole who needs to take your objections up with management. Not me.

Have a nice night!


~yawn~ been here and heard this. next.

719 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 6:03:30pm

re: #717 iceweasel

Let's review some of what's happened here for the benefit of the slow:

1.I object to a bigoted and hateful comment, pointing out that the identical comment made by the exact same person was deleted by Charles last week.

2. People react by freaking out and calling me names, as well as anyone else who likewise objects to that comment.

That's it. That's as plain as it can possibly be. If you defend that comment, you're an asshole. If you respond by attacking ME for pointing out that the owner of this site has found it objectionable, then you're a chickenshit asshole who needs to take your objections up with management. Not me.

Have a nice night!

What comment was that? I came in late.

720 Bagua  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 6:04:16pm

re: #714 albusteve

and I have zero affiliation for political parties...conservatives are dirt now regardless...yet I'm accused of trying to run off the morning libs because I defend myself...go figure

Exactly, that is one of the new memes, the big bad "wingnuts" here are running off the liberals with all of their "disgusting" "hate" and "bigotry".

Coming from the pair who have run off hundreds of long time posters. Now zeroing in on the last group of centrists. Apparently the blog must on be left and hard left politically. No centrists.

721 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 6:04:50pm

Lets review what just transpired. We're all sitting here having a conversation about various subjects
Along comes ICE complaining about something Mandy, who isn't even here, posted hundreds of comments prior
Then, along comes jimmah to chime in.

Both were told numerous times that A)to report it to Charles and B) nobody was defending the comment, yet we all got tarred and feathered with the same brush

Coincidence?? Happenstance???
BRIDGE FOR SALE !!!

722 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 6:05:30pm

re: #717 iceweasel

see #721

723 Racer X  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 6:05:50pm

re: #719 Dark_Falcon

What comment was that? I came in late.

"There is no fun in Islam".

I know, horrible. Stone the poster.

724 Achilles Tang  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 6:06:16pm

re: #719 Dark_Falcon

What comment was that? I came in late.

"Islam is no fun", as far as I understand.

Actually I agree. Go figure.

725 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 6:06:58pm

re: #721 sattv4u2

Lets review what just transpired. We're all sitting here having a conversation about various subjects
Along comes ICE complaining about something Mandy, who isn't even here, posted hundreds of comments prior
Then, along comes jimmah to chime in.

Both were told numerous times that A)to report it to Charles and B) nobody was defending the comment, yet we all got tarred and feathered with the same brush

Coincidence?? Happenstance???
BRIDGE FOR SALE !!!

That's all right Satt, miss being a whiny gadfly about me, so now you have to whine about Ice? Grow some spine Satt, you are very brve when surrounded by your compatriots and all, no need for the self pity party.

726 jaunte  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 6:07:05pm

re: #723 Racer X

Isn't that from something Ayatollah Khomeini said?

727 Stanghazi  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 6:07:12pm

re: #720 Bagua

Exactly, that is one of the new memes, the big bad "wingnuts" here are running off the liberals with all of their "disgusting" "hate" and "bigotry".

Coming from the pair who have run off hundreds of long time posters. Now zeroing in on the last group of centrists. Apparently the blog must on be left and hard left politically. No centrists.

Trying to stay out of this, this confuses me. Those that are gone, I thought they were not missed by anyone? Like they went off the deep end? To the stalker blog?

728 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 6:07:18pm

re: #723 Racer X

"There is no fun in Islam".

I know, horrible. Stone the poster.

There is no fun in stoning

((umm,, unless you got it from a good dealer!!)

729 Racer X  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 6:07:23pm

re: #721 sattv4u2

Lets review what just transpired. We're all sitting here having a conversation about various subjects
Along comes ICE complaining about something Mandy, who isn't even here, posted hundreds of comments prior
Then, along comes jimmah to chime in.

Both were told numerous times that A)to report it to Charles and B) nobody was defending the comment, yet we all got tarred and feathered with the same brush

Coincidence?? Happenstance???
BRIDGE FOR SALE !!!

Outrage!

Daddy! Mandy used a bad word!

LOL!

730 Bagua  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 6:07:51pm

re: #717 iceweasel

Let's review some of what's happened here for the benefit of the slow:

1.I object to a bigoted and hateful comment, pointing out that the identical comment made by the exact same person was deleted by Charles last week.

2. People react by freaking out and calling me names, as well as anyone else who likewise objects to that comment.

That's it. That's as plain as it can possibly be. If you defend that comment, you're an asshole. If you respond by attacking ME for pointing out that the owner [Charles]of this site has found it objectionable, then you're a chickenshit asshole who needs to take your objections up with management[Charles]. Not me.

Have a nice night!]passive aggressive]

"Bigoted", "hateful", "Charles", "Asshole". "have a nice night."

Lol.

Reading from a script?

731 Racer X  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 6:08:01pm

re: #726 jaunte

Isn't that from something Ayatollah Khomeini said?

I think so.

732 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 6:08:10pm

re: #720 Bagua

Coming from the pair who have run off hundreds of long time posters.


Hahahaha. Miss your buddies? Take it up with the person who banned them, asshole.

733 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 6:08:52pm

re: #725 LudwigVanQuixote

That's all right Satt, miss being a whiny gadfly about me, so now you have to whine about Ice? Grow some spine Satt, you are very brve when surrounded by your compatriots and all, no need for the self pity party.

HAHAHA

Can I please be a neer'do well instead,,,or how about a rapscallion

WHHAA... Satts not talking about ME !!!

734 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 6:09:39pm

re: #720 Bagua

Exactly, that is one of the new memes, the big bad "wingnuts" here are running off the liberals with all of their "disgusting" "hate" and "bigotry".

Coming from the pair who have run off hundreds of long time posters. Now zeroing in on the last group of centrists. Apparently the blog must on be left and hard left politically. No centrists.

I beg you not to go there. The big bad wingnuts were not run off, they wussed out when there was real challenge to their idiocy. It isn't as if they were ever into things like facts or cogent arguments.

735 Bagua  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 6:09:57pm

re: #732 iceweasel

Hahahaha. Miss your buddies? Take it up with the person who banned them, asshole.

"Stalkers", "Charles", "More hateful words."

Lol. Stop digging.

736 Bagua  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 6:11:01pm

re: #734 LudwigVanQuixote

I beg you not to go there. The big bad wingnuts were not run off, they wussed out when there was real challenge to their idiocy. It isn't as if they were ever into things like facts or cogent arguments.

Let's not and say we did.

737 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 6:11:31pm

re: #733 sattv4u2

No, no, don't rate yourself so highly. Read my comment to Bagua. The second you come with real points and cogent arguments is the second you get taken seriously. Otherwise you are just a little boy whining hat he can't handle being whupped by a girl.

738 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 6:11:39pm

re: #723 Racer X

"There is no fun in Islam".

I know, horrible. Stone the poster.


rather than censoring the wonderful Mandy, how great would it have been for those objecting to simply give us a nice list of cool, fun things from Islamic culture as a stinging rebuke to Mandy's post.

739 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 6:12:11pm

re: #725 LudwigVanQuixote

tell you what. Tell me what I stated in #721 that was
A) untrue
B) whiney (specifically about Ice)
C)resorted to name calling al a you!

740 Stanghazi  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 6:12:38pm

LGF is not and should not be an Islamic hate site.

741 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 6:12:46pm

re: #725 LudwigVanQuixote

That's all right Satt, miss being a whiny gadfly about me, so now you have to whine about Ice? Grow some spine Satt, you are very brve when surrounded by your compatriots and all, no need for the self pity party.

seriously? really? nah ...

742 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 6:12:50pm

re: #737 LudwigVanQuixote

see 739

I'll wait!

743 Stanghazi  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 6:13:15pm

re: #740 Stanley Sea

LGF is not and should not be an Islamic hate site.

Geller et al has that covered.

744 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 6:13:21pm

re: #734 LudwigVanQuixote

I beg you not to go there. The big bad wingnuts were not run off, they wussed out when there was real challenge to their idiocy. It isn't as if they were ever into things like facts or cogent arguments.

Quite Concur.

745 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 6:14:33pm

re: #732 iceweasel

Hahahaha. Miss your buddies? Take it up with the person who banned them, asshole.

wow .... did Charles authorize you to speak on his behalf?

746 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 6:14:45pm

re: #738 _RememberTonyC

rather than censoring the wonderful Mandy, how great would it have been for those objecting to simply give us a nice list of cool, fun things from Islamic culture as a stinging rebuke to Mandy's post.

The problem is that Mandy had a point. Islam tends to be anti-fun in its application. It's not hate to say that.

747 Bagua  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 6:16:52pm

re: #740 Stanley Sea

LGF is not and should not be an Islamic hate site.

We don't need politically correct hall monitors here. This has been the anti-idolatarian site for years. Redefining every minor critic of Islam as "hate" is an attempt at censorship.

748 Nimed  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 6:17:17pm

re: #704 Walter L. Newton

Spot on... but they are working... slowly... at trying to get us to leave... Nimed started on my a few weeks ago... calling me a right winger... I suspect the wingnut appellation is not far behind.

The interesting thing is... these antics are totally transparent... yet they coo and caw like they are so clever... "oh... we are fooling the wingnuts..." LOL.

Hi, Walter. You're quite the whiner, aren't you? A couple of points, some of them repeated:

1) Right-winger, like left-winger (and unlike wingnut), is a broad characterization of where people are on the political spectrum, not an insult. You think it is an insult for the same reason you think that a right-winger must be a Christian fanatic, so people Grover Norquist or Ayn Rand aren't right-wingers -- because, sorry to say, you are quite ignorant on what right-wing means.

2) You're pissed with me because your arguments often suck and I lately I've been pointing out exactly how much they suck -- see, e.g. "teleprompter" talking and state aid argument today.

3) Just to be clear, I'm not trying to push you out of LGF -- sorry dude, you are really not that important to me. Speaking generally, I'm not trying to push out even the people I most often disagree with, say Mandy, Bagua or HockeyFan. IMO, all of them make valuable contributions to LGF on some topics. I will, however, disagree with them quite intensely on occasion.

So you can stop being a crybaby. It's not the first time you complain about this when you think I'm not around. Persist on this behavior and I will start to respond in kind.

749 Bagua  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 6:17:22pm

re: #746 Dark_Falcon

The problem is that Mandy had a point. Islam tends to be anti-fun in its application. It's not hate to say that.

Of course Mandy has a point. She is spot on in fact.

750 Racer X  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 6:17:55pm

re: #740 Stanley Sea

LGF is not and should not be an Islamic hate site.

Agreed.

But I'm pretty sure Mandy was quoting Ayatollah Khomeini

Allah did not create man so that he could have fun. The aim of creation was for mankind to be put to the test through hardship and prayer. An Islamic regime must be serious in every field. There are no jokes in Islam. There is no humor in Islam. There is no fun in Islam. There can be no fun and joy in whatever is serious. Islam does not allow swimming in the sea and is opposed to radio and television serials. Islam, however, allows marksmanship, horseback riding and competition ...[73]

751 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 6:17:59pm

re: #746 Dark_Falcon

The problem is that Mandy had a point. Islam tends to be anti-fun in its application. It's not hate to say that.

No,, the "problem" is that they don't like Mandy, so any little real or precieved faux pas on her part brings the outrage

Same with LVQ re: me. Look at what I stated in #721. Was there anything untrue, objectionable or name calling in it? NO, yet LQV had a 'problem" with it (see #725)

752 abolitionist  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 6:18:54pm

re: #723 Racer X

"There is no fun in Islam".

I know, horrible. Stone the poster.

It's a quote from Ayatollah Khomeini, from a book he wrote, iirc.

753 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 6:18:57pm

re: #746 Dark_Falcon

The problem is that Mandy had a point. Islam tends to be anti-fun in its application. It's not hate to say that.


of course it's not hate speech ... unless you are thin skinned and programmed to be totally PC 100% of the time. It's a form of extremism in its own right. It's a short leap away from "morality monitoring" if you ask me.

754 Stanghazi  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 6:19:13pm

re: #750 Racer X

Wow, quoting the Ayatollah! Something is very wrong with this picture!

755 Racer X  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 6:19:55pm

re: #754 Stanley Sea

Wow, quoting the Ayatollah! Something is very wrong with this picture!

I think she was mocking. Mocking is OK.

756 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 6:20:12pm

re: #754 Stanley Sea

Wow, quoting the Ayatollah! Something is very wrong with this picture!

"I'm still dead"

Ayatollah Kohmeini!

757 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 6:21:38pm

re: #737 LudwigVanQuixote

re: #739 sattv4u2

tell you what. Tell me what I stated in #721 that was
A) untrue
B) whiney (specifically about Ice)
C)resorted to name calling al a you!

re: #742 sattv4u2

see 739

I'll wait!

Still waiting

(c'mon ,, I gotta go home in half an hour!!)

758 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 6:21:49pm

re: #754 Stanley Sea

Wow, quoting the Ayatollah! Something is very wrong with this picture!

She was quoting him to make a point. That's fair game, and its not hate.

759 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 6:22:46pm

re: #750 Racer X

Quoting Jonathan Edwards:

"The God that holds you over the pit of hell, much as one holds a spider, or some loathsome insect, over the fire, abhors you, and is dreadfully provoked; his wrath towards you burns like fire; he looks upon you as worthy of nothing else, but to be cast into the fire; he is of purer eyes than to bear to have you in his sight; you are ten thousand times so abominable in his eyes as the most hateful venomous serpent is in ours. You have offended."

Lots of "No Fun" folks out there.

760 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 6:23:16pm

re: #756 sattv4u2

"I'm still dead"

Ayatollah Kohmeini!


if ayatollah once, ayatollah a thousand times ... Islam is perfect and beyond any criticism by non believers. As for those Catholics ...

761 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 6:23:39pm

re: #759 Decatur Deb

Lots of "No Fun" folks out there

I see you've met the higher ups in my company!!
//

762 Racer X  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 6:23:52pm

So there it is.

472 comments wasted on something some dickhead ayotollah said.

We need a better hobby, guys.

763 Bagua  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 6:24:46pm

re: #762 Racer X

So there it is.

472 comments wasted on something some dickhead ayotollah said.

We need a better hobby, guys.


Darts?

764 Nimed  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 6:24:48pm

More generally, shame on the people who joined the whine fest and made comments about me and Ludwig (in our absence) and the big bad lefties who conspire in the shadows to drive them out of LGF. It's fucking pathetic.

765 Stanghazi  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 6:25:24pm

re: #758 Dark_Falcon

She was quoting him to make a point. That's fair game, and its not hate.

I take a person's whole "work" into my assumptions. There's really no curtain there to hide behind, it's just excuses.

Old argument here @ LGF though.

766 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 6:25:25pm

re: #762 Racer X

So there it is.

472 comments wasted on something some dickhead ayotollah said.

We need a better hobby, guys.

Me ,,, I like to pick fly shit out of pepper!

767 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 6:26:08pm

re: #764 Nimed

More generally, shame on the people who joined the whine fest and made comments about me and Ludwig (in our absence) and the big bad lefties who conspire in the shadows to drive them out of LGF. It's fucking pathetic.

So you will also deride Ice and Jimmah for the same re: Mandy, right ?

768 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 6:27:45pm

re: #759 Decatur Deb

Quoting Jonathan Edwards:

"The God that holds you over the pit of hell, much as one holds a spider, or some loathsome insect, over the fire, abhors you, and is dreadfully provoked; his wrath towards you burns like fire; he looks upon you as worthy of nothing else, but to be cast into the fire; he is of purer eyes than to bear to have you in his sight; you are ten thousand times so abominable in his eyes as the most hateful venomous serpent is in ours. You have offended."

Lots of "No Fun" folks out there.

True. Thankfully, Edwards' view is not the only one in Christianity. For that matter, the Ayotollah is not unopposed in Islam. The problem is that the 'no fun' crowd in Islam has a substantial terrorist wing to enforce its view. The 'no fun' part of Christianity, as of yet, does not (though some are trying to create such a wing).

769 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 6:27:55pm

i have really enjoyed tonight's discussion. i hope those who would appoint themselves as keepers of the LGF flame understand that lockstep agreement is boring and will cause this place to be little more than an echo chamber. if your skin is too thin, or you are outraged by someone beloved by many of us, the problem is YOURS. No whining, no controlling others, and no swearing!

OK ... swearing is still OK as long as it is only used when absolutely earned by the "swearee."

770 Racer X  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 6:29:54pm

re: #767 sattv4u2

So you will also deride Ice and Jimmah for the same re: Mandy, right ?

Suh-napp!

771 Bagua  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 6:29:55pm

re: #764 Nimed

More generally, shame on the people who joined the whine fest and made comments about me and Ludwig (in our absence) and the big bad lefties who conspire in the shadows to drive them out of LGF. It's fucking pathetic.

"Shame on people", "pathetic".

More of the same self-righteous condemnation of people here as somehow shameful. You're here a couple months and you are condemning people and taking sides with the most divisive posters. Pathetic yourself. Lighten up mate. So what if we disagree on some political stuff?

772 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 6:29:57pm

re: #757 sattv4u2

And that isn't whiny in of itself. Do grow a pair Satt.

773 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 6:30:42pm

re: #751 sattv4u2

No,, the "problem" is that they don't like Mandy, so any little real or precieved faux pas on her part brings the outrage

Same with LVQ re: me. Look at what I stated in #721. Was there anything untrue, objectionable or name calling in it? NO, yet LQV had a 'problem" with it (see #725)

And that isn't whiny?

774 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 6:31:24pm

re: #772 LudwigVanQuixote

And that isn't whiny in of itself. Do grow a pair Satt.

gee ,, I didn't even notice the non-answer!

775 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 6:32:50pm

re: #773 LudwigVanQuixote

And that isn't whiny?

No,,it was factual

What was said in # that was #721 that was
A) untrue
B) whiney (specifically about Ice)
C)resorted to name calling al a you!

776 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 6:33:08pm

re: #761 sattv4u2

Lots of "No Fun" folks out there

I see you've met the higher ups in my company!!
//

you get to watch TV for a living ... stop whining :)

777 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 6:34:05pm

re: #776 _RememberTonyC

you get to watch TV for a living ... stop whining :)

yeah ,, but it's what I HAVE to watch thats the problem

Right now, we're sending Monday Night Raw (WWE) to Europe and South America

778 Bagua  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 6:34:12pm

re: #776 _RememberTonyC

you get to watch TV for a living ... stop whining :)

I think he mean't he is winning.

779 Nimed  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 6:34:14pm

re: #767 sattv4u2

So you will also deride Ice and Jimmah for the same re: Mandy, right ?

If they did the same thing, sure. Ice and Jimmah tend to be pretty upfront about the people they confront, though -- unlike Walter, who I've talked to today and had plenty of opportunity to bitch about the right-wing qualifier, and still decided to go behind my back -- to complain that I was trying to push him away from LGF.

780 Mr Pancakes  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 6:35:05pm

re: #723 Racer X

"There is no fun in Islam".

I know, horrible. Stone the poster.

That was the bigoted comment? Wow..... seriously?

Here's a bigoted comment....... Nazi's and white supremacists are a bunch of scumbags.

781 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 6:35:06pm

re: #777 sattv4u2

yeah ,, but it's what I HAVE to watch thats the problem

Right now, we're sending Monday Night Raw (WWE) to Europe and South America

You work for USA Network?

782 Jimmah  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 6:35:18pm

re: #720 Bagua

Exactly, that is one of the new memes, the big bad "wingnuts" here are running off the liberals with all of their "disgusting" "hate" and "bigotry".

Coming from the pair who have run off hundreds of long time posters. Now zeroing in on the last group of centrists. Apparently the blog must on be left and hard left politically. No centrists.

No. We just defended our positions with facts, argument, and from time to time, well deserved mockery. We never used the kind of vicious personal attacks that we had to put up with in reply.The fact that the only response these idiots could muster was to melt down is on them - not us.

As for running off 'centrists' that is a joke. I am centre left myself.

If you think we 'ran good people off', please name some of them. (Oh and before you answer - no, buzzsawmonkey doesn't count as either a 'centrist' or a 'good person')

783 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 6:36:13pm

re: #779 Nimed

If they did the same thing, sure.

Good ,,as long as your consistent, because that is where this latest squabble startedre: #781 Dark_Falcon

You work for USA Network?

no ,, but we do work FOR them (along with just about every other TV network ,, tape house ,,, sports venue ,, etc))

784 Bagua  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 6:36:22pm

re: #780 Mr Pancakes

That was the bigoted comment? Wow... seriously?

Here's a bigoted comment... Nazi's and white supremacists are a bunch of scumbags.

That is what it has come to here with the new hall-monitors. Self appointed monitor lizards with no delete button.

785 Nimed  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 6:37:32pm

re: #771 Bagua

"Shame on people", "pathetic".

More of the same self-righteous condemnation of people here as somehow shameful. You're here a couple months and you are condemning people and taking sides with the most divisive posters. Pathetic yourself. Lighten up mate. So what if we disagree on some political stuff?

Oh, please. You're completely inconsistent in your condemnations and in your "lighten up" comments. Take a good fucking look at yourself -- tou've accused iceweasel of being psychotic, gone of the deep end with Obdicut numerous times, bring up accusations of "blood libel" out of the blue, and are telling people to "lighten up"!

786 Bagua  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 6:38:19pm

re: #782 Jimmah

No. We just defended our positions with facts, argument, and from time to time, well deserved mockery. We never used the kind of vicious personal attacks that we had to put up with in reply.The fact that the only response these idiots could muster was to melt down is on them - not us.

As for running off 'centrists' that is a joke. I am centre left myself.

If you think we 'ran good people off', please name some of them. (Oh and before you answer - no, buzzsawmonkey doesn't count as either a 'centrist' or a 'good person')

Lol. "Buzzsawmonkey."

787 Racer X  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 6:40:22pm

So I'm reading up on Ayatollah Khomeini and I can see what a dickwad this man really was:

Improvisational ability (fucking Liar)
Khomeini once protested the shah's enfranchisement of women, and then encouraged women to participate in his revolution and vote for his government when he needed their numbers. He once promised that clerics would hold only temporary positions in government and then allowed them to hold the most senior positions. He pledged to continue the war against Iraq until its defeat and then abruptly made peace. He once said that the fact that "I have said something does not mean that I should be bound by my word." Indeed, it is that suppleness, that ability to improvise that has outlived Khomeini and that continues to pervade the Islamic Republic, keeping it going.[7]

Women in politics
Before the Revolution, Khomeini expressed the following:

In an Islamic order, women enjoy the same rights as men - rights to education, work, ownership, to vote in elections and to be voted in. Women are free, just like men to decide their own destinies and activities.[42]

After the Revolution, Khomeini opposed allowing women to serve in parliament, likening it to prostitution.

We are against this prostitution. We object to such wrongdoings ... Is progress achieved by sending women to the majlis? Sending women to these centers is nothing but corruption.[43]

Death might seem like a tragedy to some but in reality ...

If you have any tie or link binding you to this world in love, try to sever it. This world, despite all its apparent splendor and charm, is too worthless to be loved[53]

788 Bagua  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 6:43:36pm

re: #785 Nimed


Heh, you are here a couple months and already taken sides and joined in the tactics of citing past arguments from dead threads to support your demonisation. How pathetic.

789 Jimmah  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 6:44:21pm

re: #786 Bagua

Lol. "Buzzsawmonkey."

Don't know why you are laughing. You thought pretty highly of him, as I recall. Seemed to me that he might well be your idea of a 'centrist' or 'good person'.

Beyond that, the fact that you got nothin' is duly noted.

790 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 6:44:28pm

re: #782 Jimmah

No. We just defended our positions with facts, argument, and from time to time, well deserved mockery. We never used the kind of vicious personal attacks that we had to put up with in reply.The fact that the only response these idiots could muster was to melt down is on them - not us.

As for running off 'centrists' that is a joke. I am centre left myself.

If you think we 'ran good people off', please name some of them. (Oh and before you answer - no, buzzsawmonkey doesn't count as either a 'centrist' or a 'good person')

They've got nothing. Nothing but blind rage that bigotry and hate don't play here and their wingnut buddies are banned, so they lash out.

791 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 6:45:49pm

re: #740 Stanley Sea

LGF is not and should not be an Islamic hate site.

It isn't. But Islam is not above criticism, mockery or ridicule...any more or less than any other faith-based belief system.

792 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 6:47:23pm

re: #791 Spare O'Lake

It isn't. But Islam is not above criticism, mockery or ridicule...any more or less than any other faith-based belief system.

Hold on there, Bucko

I believe that when I die my soul goes to a garage sale in Buffalo

Nothing to mock about that!!

793 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 6:47:27pm

re: #782 Jimmah

No. We just defended our positions with facts, argument, and from time to time, well deserved mockery. We never used the kind of vicious personal attacks that we had to put up with in reply.The fact that the only response these idiots could muster was to melt down is on them - not us.

As for running off 'centrists' that is a joke. I am centre left myself.

If you think we 'ran good people off', please name some of them. (Oh and before you answer - no, buzzsawmonkey doesn't count as either a 'centrist' or a 'good person')

Well, for a long time I thought he was a good person. Then he he decided to act like a misogynistic ass, and I rethought that position. Then he turned Stalker and my rethink was confirmed, sadly. But who here has defended him? None that I have seen.

794 Nimed  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 6:48:30pm

re: #788 Bagua

Heh, you are here a couple months and already taken sides and joined in the tactics of citing past arguments from dead threads to support your demonisation. How pathetic.

lol. Keep repeating the seniority argument and the "please oh please don't mention my previous behavior" argument, no matter how relevant to the discussion. It will work eventually, I'm sure.

795 Bagua  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 6:48:31pm

re: #789 Jimmah

Don't know why you are laughing. You thought pretty highly of him, as I recall. Seemed to me that he might well be your idea of a 'centrist' or 'good person'.

Beyond that, the fact that you got nothin' is duly noted.

Ha, ha. What a troll you are. "Buzsawmonkey", the only one who mentions him is you. Your obsession with that guy is yours, not mine.

796 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 6:49:21pm

re: #793 Dark_Falcon

Well, for a long time I thought he was a good person. Then he he decided to act like a misogynistic ass, and I rethought that position. Then he turned Stalker and my rethink was confirmed, sadly. But who here has defended him? None that I have seen.

You're a wingnut
he;s a wingnut

YOU do the math!!!

//

797 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 6:50:53pm
798 Nimed  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 6:51:39pm

re: #791 Spare O'Lake

It isn't. But Islam is not above criticism, mockery or ridicule...any more or less than any other faith-based belief system.

Sure, and people who criticize Islam (or Christianity, or Judaism) are not themselves above criticism, mockery or ridicule.

799 Bagua  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 6:52:09pm

re: #794 Nimed

lol. Keep repeating the seniority argument and the "please oh please don't mention my previous behavior" argument, no matter how relevant to the discussion. It will work eventually, I'm sure.

What you are hostilely terming "behaviour" was my point in some long dead thread that you are misrepresenting.

You can mock "seniority" but you have been here two months and you are already setting yourself up as one of the most judgemental and angry posters.

800 ryannon  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 6:53:14pm

re: #687 Spare O'Lake

I thought "wingnut" was a name for the idiots on the extreme right wing of the GOP. Little did I know that LGF has now been infested with "wingnuts".

It's a Zionist Honco with extra hotsauce.

Quite good, actually.

801 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 6:53:23pm

re: #797 Fozzie Bear

You.

is that a left handed or right handed wingnut?

(want to have some fun,, go into a Home Depot, find someone that looks to be a new employee ((easy to spot ,, not a lot of HD badges on their aprons)) and ask then if they have any Left Handed ScrewDrivers)

(((I know ,,, I'm cruel ,,, but I'm old and have so little!!)))

802 Nimed  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 6:54:59pm

re: #799 Bagua

What you are hostilely terming "behaviour" was my point in some long dead thread that you are misrepresenting.

You can mock "seniority" but you have been here two months and you are already setting yourself up as one of the most judgemental and angry posters.

"lol. Keep repeating the seniority argument and the 'please oh please don't mention my previous behavior' argument, no matter how relevant to the discussion. It will work eventually, I'm sure."

Because LGF recycles!

803 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 6:55:40pm

re: #798 Nimed

Sure, and people who criticize Islam (or Christianity, or Judaism) are not themselves above criticism, mockery or ridicule.

Congratulations, you got it!
Now handle it without whining and hatred.

804 Bagua  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 6:55:43pm

re: #802 Nimed

Lol, keep communicating through downdings as you are an aspiring dingbat.

805 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 6:55:58pm

And on that note, the long quiet drive home beckons

806 Bagua  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 6:56:34pm

re: #805 sattv4u2

And on that note, the long quiet drive home beckons

Drive safely mate. The viewing public is depending on you.

807 Jimmah  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 6:57:58pm

re: #788 Bagua

Heh, you are here a couple months and already taken sides and joined in the tactics of citing past arguments from dead threads to support your demonisation. How pathetic.

You referred to what I said earlier about the disgusting names you called ice as 'citing an argument from a dead thread'. Well, unfortunately the issue is very much alive because you still steadfastly refuse to apologise to ice and take those vile comments back - while maintaining the pretense that we ever came close to calling you anything remotely approaching that. The worst thing she has ever called you is an asshole, and that's in this thread after you have repeatedly refused to retract or apologise for those vile comments.

If you want to have the least shred of credibility in calling for civilty, an apology would be the very least you would have to do.

You can do so now, but you won't, will you? Yet you still try to maintain that it is ice and I who won't drop the hostility towards you.

You are completely busted on this Bagua, to any fair minded person reading this.

808 Nimed  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 6:58:01pm

re: #804 Bagua

Lol, keep communicating through downdings as you are an aspiring dingbat.

Thanks, dude! Have another one.

809 Bagua  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 6:59:10pm

re: #808 Nimed

Thanks, dude! Have another one.

Tee, hee, your it.

810 Bagua  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 7:00:46pm

pimf: you're

811 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 7:02:44pm

re: #810 Bagua

It's ok Cato isn't around.

812 Jimmah  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 7:02:59pm

re: #793 Dark_Falcon

Well, for a long time I thought he was a good person. Then he he decided to act like a misogynistic ass, and I rethought that position. Then he turned Stalker and my rethink was confirmed, sadly. But who here has defended him? None that I have seen.

Well, his assholery was apparent to me a long time before that, but we are digressing. Aren't you interested to hear from Bagua who all these good people and centrists are that we 'ran off'? Apparently there are hundreds to choose from - so it shouldn't be hard.

813 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 7:04:24pm

wow this thread got pretty grim!

814 Nimed  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 7:04:49pm

re: #807 Jimmah

You referred to what I said earlier about the disgusting names you called ice as 'citing an argument from a dead thread'. Well, unfortunately the issue is very much alive because you still steadfastly refuse to apologise to ice and take those vile comments back - while maintaining the pretense that we ever came close to calling you anything remotely approaching that. The worst thing she has ever called you is an asshole, and that's in this thread after you have repeatedly refused to retract or apologise for those vile comments.

If you want to have the least shred of credibility in calling for civilty, an apology would be the very least you would have to do.

You can do so now, but you won't, will you? Yet you still try to maintain that it is ice and I who won't drop the hostility towards you.

You are completely busted on this Bagua, to any fair minded person reading this.

Yeah, the calls for civility are astoundingly hypocritical. But the important thing here is that, even if they weren't right on the merits, you would be right by default, since you registered on LGF before Bagua (and you have a higher Karma).

815 Bagua  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 7:04:52pm

re: #807 Jimmah

Lol. Every-time you and Iceweasel get called out for trolling Mandy, or Spare, or Walter, or Abusteve, or brooklyn, or anyone else on your list you try to twist it into: "Bagua said a mean word six months ago, and I'm still seething." Grow up.

816 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 7:04:58pm

re: #812 Jimmah

Well, his assholery was apparent to me a long time before that, but we are digressing. Aren't you interested to hear from Bagua who all these good people and centrists are that we 'ran off'? Apparently there are hundreds to choose from - so it shouldn't be hard.

You ran off hundreds of people? You must be like a sorcerer or something! :D

817 ryannon  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 7:05:33pm

re: #723 Racer X

"There is no fun in Islam".

Since mighty Casey struck out.

818 Nimed  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 7:08:04pm

By the way, this probably qualifies as a dead thread now. So Bagua has a special thread immunity and can write whatever he wants.

819 Jimmah  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 7:08:48pm

re: #816 WindUpBird

You ran off hundreds of people? You must be like a sorcerer or something! :D

I've got one motherfucker of a banishment spell, apparently!

820 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 7:08:55pm

re: #818 Nimed

By the way, this probably qualifies as a dead thread now. So Bagua has a special thread immunity and can write whatever he wants.

I like dead threads, they're great for posting youtubes of classic computer games

821 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 7:09:17pm

re: #819 Jimmah

I've got one motherfucker of a banishment spell, apparently!

Roll to save versus Big Bad Liberal!

822 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 7:09:26pm

re: #777 sattv4u2

yeah ,, but it's what I HAVE to watch thats the problem

Right now, we're sending Monday Night Raw (WWE) to Europe and South America

drek for the masses ...

823 Bagua  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 7:09:43pm

re: #818 Nimed

By the way, this probably qualifies as a dead thread now. So Bagua has a special thread immunity and can write whatever he wants.

I am that evil.

824 ryannon  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 7:10:20pm

re: #740 Stanley Sea

LGF is not and should not be an Islamic hate site.

Especially when they stone a woman to death.

825 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 7:11:46pm

re: #808 Nimed

Thanks, dude! Have another one.

Of course you realise that your account could be a day old, but if you would only join with Bagua in calling his personal enemies (? lol) bad names, he'd be welcoming you to LGF and complimenting you on your perceptiveness.

Alas, to objective readers, it's pretty clear he's unhinged at times.

Also, just an aside about people who try to dump on new people or pull the seniority card-- newer people do tend to be more objective and have a clearer view of (what we can call) the social dynamics of a forum than people who have been here a while. (ceteris paribus, that is). It's hard to call someone out when you unavoidably come to know some of the details of their life. This is one reason why older members get away with bad behaviour on any forum-- and one reason why there's often a double standard.

826 Nimed  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 7:12:55pm

re: #823 Bagua

I am that evil.

No, you're just using the same stupid arguments (seniority and "I wrote it in a dead thread, so it's ok") over and over again.

827 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 7:13:16pm

re: #825 iceweasel

The seniority card is the most pathetic card in the deck here :D

828 Jimmah  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 7:14:02pm

re: #815 Bagua

Lol. Every-time you and Iceweasel get called out for trolling Mandy, or Spare, or Walter, or Abusteve, or brooklyn, or anyone else on your list you try to twist it into: "Bagua said a mean word six months ago, and I'm still seething." Grow up.

If you had any real concern for civility you'd apologise and retract.

829 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 7:14:03pm

re: #825 iceweasel

This is one reason why older members get away with bad behaviour on any forum-- and one reason why there's often a double standard.

Totally.

830 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 7:14:55pm

re: #815 Bagua

Lol. Every-time you and Iceweasel get called out for trolling Mandy, or Spare, or Walter, or Abusteve, or brooklyn, or anyone else on your list you try to twist it into: "Bagua said a mean word six months ago, and I'm still seething." Grow up.

No, Bagua. That is bullshit.
Everytime we point out bad behaviour by one of your little pals or yourself, you respond with a seething tirade of hatred and unhinged name calling. That's the dynamic, and it's very much in evidence here.

831 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 7:17:38pm

re: #819 Jimmah

I've got one motherfucker of a banishment spell, apparently!

You don't have magic powers, Jimmah. You're a Warrior Swordsman character. Sorry about the typecasting, but we needed one of those and Scots are perfect for the role. It can be a magic sword, though. ;)

832 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 7:18:42pm

re: #823 Bagua

I am that evil.

Obey Bagua, or he will go to Twitter and delete your followers! :D

833 Nimed  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 7:18:52pm

re: #825 iceweasel

Of course you realise that your account could be a day old, but if you would only join with Bagua in calling his personal enemies (? lol) bad names, he'd be welcoming you to LGF and complimenting you on your perceptiveness.

Alas, to objective readers, it's pretty clear he's unhinged at times.

Also, just an aside about people who try to dump on new people or pull the seniority card-- newer people do tend to be more objective and have a clearer view of (what we can call) the social dynamics of a forum than people who have been here a while. (ceteris paribus, that is). It's hard to call someone out when you unavoidably come to know some of the details of their life. This is one reason why older members get away with bad behaviour on any forum-- and one reason why there's often a double standard.

I agree completely, Ice. To be sure, none of us are immune to giving a pass to commenters we have known for a while, have more in common politically, or simply like better for some other reason. But that's something to keep a check on. It's weird when people feel it's a good argument to advance in a discussion.

834 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 7:18:57pm

re: #827 WindUpBird

The seniority card is the most pathetic card in the deck here :D

Sure is! :)

835 Bagua  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 7:20:40pm

re: #830 iceweasel

No, Bagua. That is bullshit.
Everytime we point out bad behaviour by one of your little pals or yourself, you respond with a seething tirade of hatred and unhinged name calling. That's the dynamic, and it's very much in evidence here.

Yawn...

You were soundly scolded from stalking Mandy, yet again, and now you are playing your dingbat games and trying to change the subject to some alleged insult from long ago.

At least I have the courtesy of focusing on your current behaviour here in this thread.

Don't be so butt-hurt. Obviously I like you or I wouldn't bother chatting.

836 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 7:22:48pm

re: #833 Nimed

I agree completely, Ice. To be sure, none of us are immune to giving a pass to commenters we have known for a while, have more in common politically, or simply like better for some other reason. But that's something to keep a check on. It's weird when people feel it's a good argument to advance in a discussion.

Oh totally. Not just weird, but unhealthy. It's a common dynamic (I bet it happens on any comparable forum) and it's never good.

As WUB said, the seniority card is pretty much the dumbest one to play.

837 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 7:24:37pm

re: #835 Bagua

Once again: I called out Mandy for making yet another hateful and bigoted comment, which is word for word identical to one which Charles deleted by her.

That's the issue. You? You're just an asshole for defending that comment and a chickenshit asshole for responding by attacking me.

Finally, Bagua, go fuck off until you apologise to me, or just don't address me again.

838 Nimed  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 7:26:52pm

re: #835 Bagua

You were soundly scolded from stalking Mandy, yet again, and now you are playing your dingbat games and trying to change the subject to some alleged insult from long ago.

*shakes head in disappointment*

Must it always be like this with you, Bagua? Why can't you be more civil?
/

839 Jimmah  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 7:29:33pm

re: #835 Bagua


You were soundly scolded from stalking Mandy, yet again,

By who? A bunch of angry right-wingers with long standing issues regarding us. Yeah - like that counts.

Don't be so butt-hurt. Obviously I like you or I wouldn't bother chatting.

What kind of person says "I like you" while also saying "You're a psychopath and a sociopath, and no, I won't apologise or take that back." ?

If you are deliberately trying to come across as an odious creep, Bagua, then congratulations because it's working splendidly.

840 Bagua  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 7:30:35pm

re: #838 Nimed

*shakes head in disappointment*

Must it always be like this with you, Bagua? Why can't you be more civil?
/

"Dingbat games" is quite mild compared to all the nasty words directed at me.

841 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 7:34:12pm

re: #840 Bagua

"Dingbat games" is quite mild compared to all the nasty words directed at me.

What's the matter, Bagua? Did someone call you a psychopath or a sociopath? LOL at you for even pretending you care about civility. Boohoo, you've been downdinged! Please.

842 Bagua  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 7:34:21pm

re: #839 Jimmah

Lol. "Odious."

And your alleged quote is a lie. Something you have fabricated to put words in my mouth.

Get a life jimmah.

843 Bagua  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 7:36:13pm

re: #841 iceweasel

What's the matter, Bagua? Did someone call you a psychopath or a sociopath? LOL at you for even pretending you care about civility. Boohoo, you've been downdinged! Please.

Iceweasel, your precious downdings mean nothing. Anyone can see 50-80% are you and jimmah.

Who cares? And stop lying about what I might have said in the past. It is silly.

844 Jimmah  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 7:37:11pm

re: #840 Bagua

"Dingbat games" is quite mild compared to all the nasty words directed at me.

I remember once (rummaging through my Stasi-like memory banks here) you screamed with outrage when I called you 'Bagsy' - which wasn't intended as an insult (let's face it - it would have been a pretty weak one if it had).

And here you are - expecting people to feel sympathy for you even while you slander ice and refuse to do what is very obviously not only the right thing, but the minimum requitement for the civiilty you claim to be concerned about. Pathetic.

845 Jimmah  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 7:38:56pm

re: #843 Bagua

Iceweasel, your precious downdings mean nothing. Anyone can see 50-80% are you and jimmah.

Who cares? And stop lying about what I might have said in the past. It is silly.

Whereas earlier in the thread it was all you, spare, brookly, tony c etc doing the dinging of us. Oh how unfair is this life! Whambulance please!

846 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 7:39:02pm

re: #843 Bagua

Iceweasel, your precious downdings mean nothing. Anyone can see 50-80% are you and jimmah.

Who cares? And stop lying about what I might have said in the past. It is silly.

You are a liar, Bagua. You most certainly did call me those things, you most certainly have avoided apologising for them, and you most certainly are lying about it now.

Done with you asshole. But thanks for the whiny comment about how you don't care about downdings. I'll repost it the next time you WHINE about downdings in an attempt to start a fight-- which you do several times a week.

You're a liar and a hater and I'm done addressing you and contributing to the puddle of piss you're drowning the thread in.

847 Four More Tears  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 7:39:50pm

re: #846 iceweasel


You're a liar and a hater and I'm done addressing you and contributing to the puddle of piss you're drowning the thread in.

It's not much better upstairs...

848 Bagua  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 7:41:53pm

re: #844 Jimmah

I remember once (rummaging through my Stasi-like memory banks here) you screamed with outrage when I called you 'Bagsy' - which wasn't intended as an insult (let's face it - it would have been a pretty weak one if it had).

....

How dare you call be bagsy, I demand a duel at dawn!

849 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 7:42:31pm

re: #847 JasonA

It's not much better upstairs...

Hey Jason! glad to see you. How's your mom? And yourself?

Tell me about upstairs. What's going on? (i really dont want to look if it's like this)

850 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 7:44:35pm

re: #849 iceweasel

Hey Jason! glad to see you. How's your mom? And yourself?

Tell me about upstairs. What's going on? (i really dont want to look if it's like this)

It's not as bad, but its an AGW Thread with Ludwig, Walter, and Albusteve. Enough said.

851 Jimmah  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 7:45:11pm

re: #842 Bagua

Lol. "Odious."

And your alleged quote is a lie. Something you have fabricated to put words in my mouth.

Get a life jimmah.

I was summarising your position (was meant to be in scare quotes). You have repeatedly refused to apologise or retract those comments , despite having been goven numerous opportunities to do so. That's a fact.

852 Four More Tears  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 7:45:13pm

re: #849 iceweasel

Hey Jason! glad to see you. How's your mom? And yourself?

Tell me about upstairs. What's going on? (i really dont want to look if it's like this)

Not quite as nasty as this, but you should know how the AGW threads roll by now. Mostly Steve vs. Ludwig.

Mom was in a lot of pain today :(

853 Bagua  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 7:45:30pm

re: #846 iceweasel

You are a liar, Bagua. You most certainly did call me those things, you most certainly have avoided apologising for them, and you most certainly are lying about it now.

Done with you asshole. But thanks for the whiny comment about how you don't care about downdings. I'll repost it the next time you WHINE about downdings in an attempt to start a fight-- which you do several times a week.

You're a liar and a hater and I'm done addressing you and contributing to the puddle of piss you're drowning the thread in.

What a venomous person you are Iceweasel. Sigh...

I see I'm wasting my time trying to be friendly again. Carry on with the hate.

854 Four More Tears  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 7:45:37pm

re: #850 Dark_Falcon

It's not as bad, but its an AGW Thread with Ludwig, Walter, and Albusteve. Enough said.

gmta

855 Nimed  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 7:45:46pm

re: #840 Bagua

"Dingbat games" is quite mild compared to all the nasty words directed at me.

What about "psychopathic"?

We're going in circles here. Time to jump to the more peaceful new thread.

To address your criticism in this thread one last time. You have numerous times pointed out that is bad form to criticize absent people in a thread. I agree (pretty much everybody does). I also think the notion that I and others are trying to drive people from LGF paranoid and ridiculous. Yet, when I wrote this:

More generally, shame on the people who joined the whine fest and made comments about me and Ludwig (in our absence) and the big bad lefties who conspire in the shadows to drive them out of LGF. It's fucking pathetic.

You replied:

More of the same self-righteous condemnation of people here as somehow shameful. You're here a couple months and you are condemning people and taking sides with the most divisive posters. Pathetic yourself. Lighten up mate. So what if we disagree on some political stuff?

You can judge your answer according to your own standards. If you can't see anything wrong with it, I can't help you.

856 Jimmah  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 7:46:37pm

re: #850 Dark_Falcon

It's not as bad, but its an AGW Thread with Ludwig, Walter, and Albusteve. Enough said.

Oh dear - I think I get the picture. And here I was thinking it was all sunny pastures up there.

857 Nimed  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 7:47:26pm

re: #852 JasonA

Not quite as nasty as this, but you should know how the AGW threads roll by now. Mostly Steve vs. Ludwig.

Mom was in a lot of pain today :(

Oh man, I'm very sorry to hear that. If you don't mind me asking, don't they give her painkillers in the hospital?

858 Stanghazi  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 7:48:37pm

re: #850 Dark_Falcon

It's not as bad, but its an AGW Thread with Ludwig, Walter, and Albusteve. Enough said.

Even I am very familiar. :(

859 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 7:51:07pm

re: #856 Jimmah

Oh dear - I think I get the picture. And here I was thinking it was all sunny pastures up there.

LOL!
Too funny!

860 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 7:51:50pm

re: #852 JasonA

Not quite as nasty as this, but you should know how the AGW threads roll by now. Mostly Steve vs. Ludwig.

Mom was in a lot of pain today :(

When does she get to come home?
Are they discussing that yet?
Kindest regards, to both of you!

861 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 7:51:56pm

re: #858 Stanley Sea

Even I am very familiar. :(

I see. More asshole haters jumping on LVQ with comments like "Fuck you...you think you're so smart...fuck you for being smart and knowing more than us".

862 Bagua  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 7:52:24pm

re: #851 Jimmah

I was summarising your position (was meant to be in scare quotes). You have repeatedly refused to apologise or retract those comments , despite having been goven numerous opportunities to do so. That's a fact.

No, you fabricated those words, put words in my mouth, just as you revel in quoting words out of context of the original discussion months later.

Whatever. You two are determined to foster some illusion of animosity between us.

It is this tactic and the rest I have cited that I have issue with. Otherwise I think you and Iceweasel can be jolly fun to chat with and I have repeatedly tried to offer you an olive branch. But you...


Scolded Me and Drove Me from your door.


- Mississippi Bracey
863 Jimmah  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 7:52:42pm

re: #853 Bagua

What a venomous person you are Iceweasel. Sigh...

I see I'm wasting my time trying to be friendly again. Carry on with the hate.

As has been demonstrated ad nauseum by your repeated refusal to conform to the minimum standards of decent society here - the hate is yours.

864 Four More Tears  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 7:53:18pm

re: #857 Nimed

Oh man, I'm very sorry to hear that. If you don't mind me asking, don't they give her painkillers in the hospital?

She's been on Percocet and morphine on a rotating schedule. I was with her tonight when the nurse told her that the Perc order had expired and had to be renewed by the doctor. >:I

865 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 7:53:19pm

re: #853 Bagua

What a venomous person you are Iceweasel. Sigh...

I see I'm wasting my time trying to be friendly again. Carry on with the hate.

Says the liar, asshole, and scumbag who has not once tried to be nice. Fuck you Bagua, and fuck off. You fool no one.

866 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 7:53:59pm

re: #864 JasonA

She's been on Percocet and morphine on a rotating schedule. I was with her tonight when the nurse told her that the Perc order had expired and had to be renewed by the doctor. >:I

Oh no-- I'm so sorry. That's very hard core stuff, she must be in a great deal of pain. :(

867 Four More Tears  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 7:54:08pm

re: #860 Floral Giraffe

When does she get to come home?
Are they discussing that yet?
Kindest regards, to both of you!

Oy, that can be measured in months. Not a clue, Flo. She should be discharged and sent to a rehabilitation center soon, they've said.

868 Four More Tears  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 7:54:36pm

re: #866 iceweasel

Oh no-- I'm so sorry. That's very hard core stuff, she must be in a great deal of pain. :(

Broken pelvis, hip, arm, ankle, leg.... yeah.

869 Four More Tears  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 7:55:14pm

I was also present when she pressed the button to get a nurse. Twenty fucking minutes.

870 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 7:56:33pm

re: #869 JasonA

I was also present when she pressed the button to get a nurse. Twenty fucking minutes.

Is she at St Lawrence in Bronxville? (not prying for personal info--) I've heard that St L's is very bad that way (tho this was years ago, maybe they're better now). Sorry, again. :(

871 Bagua  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 7:59:07pm

re: #865 iceweasel

Says the liar, asshole, and scumbag who has not once tried to be nice. Fuck you Bagua, and fuck off. You fool no one.

Lol. You're such a sweetheart. You really are the number one hater in our little group.

872 Stanghazi  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 7:59:21pm

re: #861 iceweasel

I see. More asshole haters jumping on LVQ with comments like "Fuck you...you think you're so smart...fuck you for being smart and knowing more than us".

The classic is the "you're not a real scientist" crapola. It happened of course.

873 Four More Tears  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 7:59:40pm

re: #870 iceweasel

Is she at St Lawrence in Bronxville? (not prying for personal info--) I've heard that St L's is very bad that way (tho this was years ago, maybe they're better now). Sorry, again. :(

I was in Lawrence 20 years ago and don't remember having trouble, though you're not the first to tell me it's been unpleasant lately. She's in Jacobi.

874 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 8:01:09pm

re: #873 JasonA

I was in Lawrence 20 years ago and don't remember having trouble, though you're not the first to tell me it's been unpleasant lately. She's in Jacobi.

Glad to hear she's in good hands. I hope she fully recovers.

875 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 8:01:31pm

re: #867 JasonA

Oy, that can be measured in months. Not a clue, Flo. She should be discharged and sent to a rehabilitation center soon, they've said.

If I may suggest? Having had an 87 y/o Mom break a femur?
Get a list of the potential rehab places, review it with her Orthopedist, ask for recommendations. Go CHECK THEM OUT. Many are better than others & the good ones usually have a waiting list. Your Ortho can sometimes get someone in, if he really likes the physical therapist. Do it before you NEED to do it. Our hospital gave only 24 hours notice before discharge.

876 Four More Tears  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 8:02:45pm

re: #874 Dark_Falcon

Glad to hear she's in good hands. I hope she fully recovers.

?

I thought I made it pretty clear she's not in good hands...

:P

877 Jimmah  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 8:03:48pm

re: #862 Bagua

No, you fabricated those words, put words in my mouth, just as you revel in quoting words out of context of the original discussion months later.

No. You refused - and continue to refuse - to apologise or retract those vile comments about ice. FACT.

Whatever. You two are determined to foster some illusion of animosity between us.

See above.

As for your fake attempt to act chummy now, its just creepy in the extreme.
If you want to be civil, you know exactly what you need to do. Let me know when you are ready.

878 Four More Tears  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 8:04:08pm

re: #875 Floral Giraffe

If I may suggest? Having had an 87 y/o Mom break a femur?
Get a list of the potential rehab places, review it with her Orthopedist, ask for recommendations. Go CHECK THEM OUT. Many are better than others & the good ones usually have a waiting list. Your Ortho can sometimes get someone in, if he really likes the physical therapist. Do it before you NEED to do it. Our hospital gave only 24 hours notice before discharge.

I hear what you're saying, but going to check them out wouldn't help seeing as I know diddly-squat about this kind of thing. We have a relative who works in the hospital and has made some recommendations for us, and we're grateful for that.

879 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 8:05:24pm

re: #878 JasonA

Go look, anyway. If it smells bad, it is bad. If the staff look you in the eye & smile & say hello, it's good. Ortho will be able to tell you about the physical therapist. IMHO, it's worth your time.

880 Jimmah  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 8:05:57pm

re: #861 iceweasel

I see. More asshole haters jumping on LVQ with comments like "Fuck you...you think you're so smart...fuck you for being smart and knowing more than us".

Ok I'm going to take a peek.

881 Bagua  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 8:06:06pm

re: #878 JasonA

I hear what you're saying, but going to check them out wouldn't help seeing as I know diddly-squat about this kind of thing. We have a relative who works in the hospital and has made some recommendations for us, and we're grateful for that.

Remaining calm and using the resources available is the most sensible choice. Often the hospital will have a social worker available to advise you on the best options.

882 Bagua  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 8:07:30pm

re: #877 Jimmah

See above.

As for your fake attempt to act chummy now, its just creepy in the extreme.
If you want to be civil, you know exactly what you need to do. Let me know when you are ready.

jimmah you are not going to succeed in changing the subject from you and Iceweasel trolling Mandy on this thread. Give it a rest.

883 Four More Tears  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 8:07:41pm

re: #881 Bagua

Remaining calm and using the resources available is the most sensible choice. Often the hospital will have a social worker available to advise you on the best options.

Yeah, the social worker spoke with her today and is seeing her again tomorrow.

884 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 8:07:44pm

re: #878 JasonA

I hear what you're saying, but going to check them out wouldn't help seeing as I know diddly-squat about this kind of thing. We have a relative who works in the hospital and has made some recommendations for us, and we're grateful for that.

I second what FG says. You can also check people out through a few places-- being in NYC you're pretty lucky actually. New York Magazine and other places are always doing roundups of the best doctors. I'm trying to remember the big trauma place in westchester-- valhalla? World class facility IIRC.

885 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 8:07:46pm

re: #876 JasonA

?

I thought I made it pretty clear she's not in good hands...

:P

Sorry. I wish you were here in Chicago. The Rehabilitation Institute a Northwestern Memorial is superlatively good. They were of great help to my mother and my sister as well.

886 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 8:09:00pm

re: #882 Bagua

Liar, again.
Fuck off, Bagua.

887 Four More Tears  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 8:10:00pm

re: #884 iceweasel

I second what FG says. You can also check people out through a few places-- being in NYC you're pretty lucky actually. New York Magazine and other places are always doing roundups of the best doctors. I'm trying to remember the big trauma place in westchester-- valhalla? World class facility IIRC.

Are you thinking of Burke in White Plains? She's pretty limited in that the ones she's really like to go to don't handle cases like that. Burke requires the patient go through 3 hours of PT a day, and she just can't do it. The way she described it to me her options were more along the lines of senior centers, where she can recuperate until she do stuff like that.

888 Bagua  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 8:10:22pm

re: #886 iceweasel

Poopyhead. Lol.

889 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 8:11:12pm

[facepalm]

890 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 8:11:38pm

re: #872 Stanley Sea

The classic is the "you're not a real scientist" crapola. It happened of course.

yeah, there's the You're not a scientist! line, then the "Fuck you smartypants, we can't do anything, SHUT UP" line.
Pretty much sums up that thread.

Fact is, they hate LVQ for being an alpha male and being smarter than them. That's it.

891 Bagua  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 8:12:22pm

re: #888 Bagua

Poopyhead. Lol.

Ok, ok, i'm sorry I called you a poopyhead. My bad.

892 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 8:14:28pm

re: #887 JasonA

Are you thinking of Burke in White Plains? She's pretty limited in that the ones she's really like to go to don't handle cases like that. Burke requires the patient go through 3 hours of PT a day, and she just can't do it. The way she described it to me her options were more along the lines of senior centers, where she can recuperate until she do stuff like that.

Wow-- 3 hours. That would be rough even on someone much younger.

No, I wasn't thinking of Burke. I had a few places in mind (I'm trying to remember)-- There's the westchester medical center which I know is great for various things, but I can't remember their rehab situation.
I do have a friend who works for a hospital in WhitePlains-- might even be Burke. I'll ask him what he knows and if he has any advice. Anyway, good luck!

893 Jimmah  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 8:15:12pm

re: #868 JasonA

Broken pelvis, hip, arm, ankle, leg... yeah.

I was sorry to hear about that, Jason. Ice told me about it last week. I hope she recovers ASAP.

894 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 8:16:18pm

re: #888 Bagua

Everytime you troll like this, you prove yourself an asshole to everyone reading and give us more chances to downding you. :)

895 Four More Tears  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 8:16:46pm

re: #893 Jimmah

I was sorry to hear about that, Jason. Ice told me about it last week. I hope she recovers ASAP.

Hell, I just hope the nurses answer her page within 5 five minutes... I have small hopes right now.

896 Bagua  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 8:19:15pm

re: #883 JasonA

Yeah, the social worker spoke with her today and is seeing her again tomorrow.

Excellent. If you and the family speak with her it is a good bridge to dealing with, and understanding the medical madness going on in most hospitals.

897 Jimmah  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 8:19:30pm

re: #895 JasonA

Hell, I just hope the nurses answer her page within 5 five minutes... I have small hopes right now.

Damn. All I can say is I hope things improve.

898 Jaerik  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 8:22:12pm

Isn't that what Scientology does? Sue anyone who reposts things you've said or written?

Was Angle the one with the odd Scientology connection or was that someone else in the primary? I forget, now.

899 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 8:30:12pm

re: #898 Jaerik

Isn't that what Scientology does? Sue anyone who reposts things you've said or written?

Was Angle the one with the odd Scientology connection or was that someone else in the primary? I forget, now.

Scientology does do that, but there's been so much crazy about Angle that I can't remember. I don't *think* she's a scientologist though, because she's mixed up with various theocrats, supporters of Biblical law, and offshoots of the american taliban.

Sharron Angle's Fringe Third Party Sponsored Virulently Anti-Gay Flier In '90s

Loads of info posted here by Charles if you look through the tags-- others also.

900 Jimmah  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 8:36:13pm

re: #690 Jimmah

Catch you later windy :)

Hey Spare, what actually is wrong with you that you have to downding comments like this?

Cos from here it looks a lot like this:

901 Four More Tears  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 8:37:19pm

re: #900 Jimmah

Hey Spare, what actually is wrong with you that you have to downding comments like this?

Cos from here it looks a lot like this:


[Video]

Can I just say that Ice has a damn sexy voice?

902 Nimed  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 8:42:05pm

re: #901 JasonA

Can I just say that Ice has a damn sexy voice?

Is that Ice?

Ice, you have the PERFECT voice for this stuff. You're an improved female version of HAL.

903 Four More Tears  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 8:43:00pm

re: #902 Nimed

Is that Ice?

Ice, you have the PERFECT voice for this stuff. You're an improved female version of HAL.

I think Jimmah would punch me if I asked Ice to "open the pod bay doors"...

904 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 8:46:53pm

re: #903 JasonA

re: #902 Nimed

Heh. Yes, that is me-- but Jimmah of course added echo and so on, I don't actually sound like a female Hal. :(
(I did my best for this though).

905 Nimed  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 8:50:47pm

re: #904 iceweasel

re: #902 Nimed

Heh. Yes, that is me-- but Jimmah of course added echo and so on, I don't actually sound like a female Hal. :(
(I did my best for this though).

Well, a man can dream. Great work with the "photoshop", Jimmah. ;)

906 Jimmah  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 8:51:08pm

re: #901 JasonA

Can I just say that Ice has a damn sexy voice?

You can indeed. You're only human :) I guess you can now be let in on the secret of iceweasels true nature:

Image: Cloneoflair2.jpg

907 Jimmah  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 10:28:21pm

To tony C, naso tang, sattv, bagua, albusteve, spare, -- hey boys! That comment you were defending? It's been deleted.

908 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Jul 5, 2010 10:40:28pm

re: #835 Bagua

You were soundly scolded from stalking Mandy, yet again,

Hi bagsy! PS: That comment you've been defending, and pissing and moaning about, and falsely accusing me of 'stalking' Mandy over?

Yeah, it's been deleted. GASP, WHOCOODANODE?
Mandy knew when she made it that it would be deleted-- just like her identical one was deleted last week.
re: #532 Bagua


I await your further defenses of that comment, Bagua. Go for it. Really. :)

re: #548 sattv4u2

re: #750 Racer X

re: #780 Mr Pancakes

re: #738 _RememberTonyC

re: #721 sattv4u2

re: #701 Spare O'Lake


There;'s a few more of you who thought it would be a great idea to pile on me and others for objecting to that comment. You know, the comment Charles had deleted before, and that you decided would be a good time to beat on other posters?

I'll await your apologies. I know they won't ever arrive, so maybe, just maybe, you can just shut the fuck up and not defend bigoted stuff next time your gal Mandy Mindless posts it?
Try it for a change. Really.

909 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jul 6, 2010 5:18:01am

re: #908 iceweasel

They're just not very internet, it's true. :(

910 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Jul 6, 2010 8:58:38am

re: #908 iceweasel

It's "us vs them" for you, right here on LGF, isn't it?
Enjoy.

911 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Jul 6, 2010 9:05:57am

re: #910 Spare O'Lake

It's "us vs them" for you, right here on LGF, isn't it?
Enjoy.

Haha. No, Spare, see, the people with the 'us vs them' mentality?
That would be you and the assholes like you who chose to defend that bigoted comment-- and attack people who objected to it and pointed out that Charles objected to it too.

But keep pretending, and keep defending that comment. :)
You're right, I am enjoying your tasty, tasty tears.

912 _RememberTonyC  Tue, Jul 6, 2010 10:40:04am

re: #845 Jimmah

Whereas earlier in the thread it was all you, spare, brookly, tony c etc doing the dinging of us. Oh how unfair is this life! Whambulance please!

i don't recall downdinging you last night ... although I did swear at you. if it turns out that i did NOT downding you, will you "apologize" for lying about that?

913 _RememberTonyC  Tue, Jul 6, 2010 10:46:54am

re: #907 Jimmah

To tony C, naso tang, sattv, bagua, albusteve, spare, -- hey boys! That comment you were defending? It's been deleted.

are you happy now?

914 Jimmah  Tue, Jul 6, 2010 12:36:24pm

re: #912 _RememberTonyC

i don't recall downdinging you last night ... although I did swear at you. if it turns out that i did NOT downding you, will you "apologize" for lying about that?

That's right, you merely melted down and told me to fuck off - sorry about that. And updinged various crass vile comments that were directed at me and iceweasel - including ones that Charles saw fit to delete.

Thanks for the opportunity to point that out.

915 Jimmah  Tue, Jul 6, 2010 12:46:13pm

re: #913 _RememberTonyC

are you happy now?

Radiantly, my severely butthurt little pal, radiantly :)

But I think we'd all be a lot happier here in general if idiots weren't continually and deliberately flouting Charles's posting rules and trying to make the site look like a cesspit, and fellow right wingers clustering to support them no matter how bigoted or idiotic, or how many times Charles has already deleted such comments.

Try this good advice from iceweasel :

I'll await your apologies. I know they won't ever arrive, so maybe, just maybe, you can just shut the fuck up and not defend bigoted stuff next time your gal Mandy Mindless posts it?
Try it for a change. Really.

916 _RememberTonyC  Tue, Jul 6, 2010 1:28:55pm

re: #914 Jimmah

That's right, you merely melted down and told me to fuck off - sorry about that. And updinged various crass vile comments that were directed at me and iceweasel - including ones that Charles saw fit to delete.

Thanks for the opportunity to point that out.

so i didn't downding you, even though you richly deserved it. so you were wrong. but it's OK, because you really do need to get a life. and unless Charles has put you in charge of moderating the site in his absence, you should know your place. and your place is to post opinions like the rest of us. you are not the hall monitor and have no special status on this site. don't be a twit and you will not be treated like one.

917 Jimmah  Tue, Jul 6, 2010 3:53:07pm

re: #916 _RememberTonyC

so i didn't downding you, even though you richly deserved it. so you were wrong. but it's OK, because you really do need to get a life. and unless Charles has put you in charge of moderating the site in his absence, you should know your place. and your place is to post opinions like the rest of us. you are not the hall monitor and have no special status on this site. don't be a twit and you will not be treated like one.

Ha ha Tony. Where did I claim to have special status on this site? When have I ever done other than post my opinions on this site? Besides that, all you have there is another bunch of puerile personal insults. Well done!

And I don't see you jumping down Mandy's throat when she goes after some new liberal poster - "Google their nicknames!" "He's a prog!" etc - or going after Spare, brookly or Bagua when they attack one of us.

For the nth time - Charles appreciates it when people report bigoted comments that make the site look bad. It's no one's fault but your own if you decide to invest so much in defending them only to fall flat on your face when Charles deletes them.

Might want to think again about that next time.

918 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Jul 6, 2010 6:06:13pm

re: #913 _RememberTonyC

are you happy now?

What, no apology? No admission you WERE WRONG? Just more butthurt whining. LOL.

919 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Jul 6, 2010 6:10:00pm

re: #917 Jimmah

Ha ha Tony. Where did I claim to have special status on this site? When have I ever done other than post my opinions on this site? Besides that, all you have there is another bunch of puerile personal insults. Well done!

And I don't see you jumping down Mandy's throat when she goes after some new liberal poster - "Google their nicknames!" "He's a prog!" etc - or going after Spare, brookly or Bagua when they attack one of us.

For the nth time - Charles appreciates it when people report bigoted comments that make the site look bad. It's no one's fault but your own if you decide to invest so much in defending them only to fall flat on your face when Charles deletes them.

Might want to think again about that next time.

They won't. Look how they're handling this, after all. The gracious thing to do would be to admit they were wrong and even to apologise. The SMART thing to do, if they can't bring themselves to do the RIGHT thing, would be to keep their mouths shut.

But no. What we see here is more tantrums from them.


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