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Bubblehead II Wed, Jul 7, 2010 10:28:38pm |
Well as usual, Vimeo videos such on my system. Choppy as hell. I need a new computer. :-(
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Bubblehead II Wed, Jul 7, 2010 10:29:18pm |
re: #1 Bubblehead II
Well as usual, Vimeo videos
suchsuck on my system. Choppy as hell. I need a new computer. :-(
PIMF!
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Mr Pancakes Wed, Jul 7, 2010 10:32:54pm |
re: #1 Bubblehead II
Well as usual, Vimeo videos such on my system. Choppy as hell. I need a new computer. :-(
Maybe just bump up your RAM a bit.
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Neutral President Wed, Jul 7, 2010 11:00:06pm |
My first LGF post from an iphone. I feel so "modern" now.
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boxhead Wed, Jul 7, 2010 11:05:57pm |
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Bubblehead II Wed, Jul 7, 2010 11:15:31pm |
Night. Should have never started watching The Book of Elli. Wasn't too bad, but Mad Max was a much better bad ass in the post apocalypse world.
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boxhead Wed, Jul 7, 2010 11:17:34pm |
I liked Eli. Just hope Denzel does not turn into the freak show that Mel has!
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Mentis Fugit Thu, Jul 8, 2010 12:39:56am |
re: #5 boxhead
you have misspellings...//
Misspellings are better than misgivings.
Miss Givings, on the other hand, spanks naughty boys who don't know their spelling, according to the small ad in the Personal Services column.
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Sol Berdinowitz Thu, Jul 8, 2010 1:12:51am |
Oh Miss Giving, I havv ben notty, notty boye!!!
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Mr Pancakes Thu, Jul 8, 2010 1:28:12am |
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Mr Pancakes Thu, Jul 8, 2010 1:34:33am |
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Mr Pancakes Thu, Jul 8, 2010 1:44:26am |
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Mr Pancakes Thu, Jul 8, 2010 1:46:02am |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:49:53am |
There is an interesting job online. Quality Service Management-Food Service. The only qualification I don't meet is that I have never had a job where you have to travel, sometimes by plane. Out of town 10 days a month. I almost tried for a job like this years ago, but that one you would help stores running shitty numbers and spend a couple weeks telling them where improvements are needed.
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Taqyia2Me Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:52:58am |
re: #19 Cannadian Club Akbar
There is an interesting job online. Quality Service Management-Food Service. The only qualification I don't meet is that I have never had a job where you have to travel, sometimes by plane. Out of town 10 days a month. I almost tried for a job like this years ago, but that one you would help stores running shitty numbers and spend a couple weeks telling them where improvements are needed.
Sounds like this is a job right in your wheelhouse!
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:54:29am |
re: #20 Taqyia2Me
Sounds like this is a job right in your wheelhouse!
They want you to either have a BS Degree or 5 years in the industry. I don't have a BS, but I do have 23 years in the industry.
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Taqyia2Me Thu, Jul 8, 2010 4:00:17am |
Just heard Bartle Bull, RFK's presidential campaign manager(?), disagree with the DoJ's position on the Philly voter intimidation event.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jul 8, 2010 4:01:41am |
re: #22 Taqyia2Me
Just heard Bartle Bull, RFK's presidential campaign manager(?), disagree with the DoJ's position on the Philly voter intimidation event.
Did you see the tape or hear the audio from the voter intimidation charge?
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Taqyia2Me Thu, Jul 8, 2010 4:06:26am |
re: #21 Cannadian Club Akbar
They want you to either have a BS Degree or 5 years in the industry. I don't have a BS, but I do have 23 years in the industry.
I hope you go for it and get it if the gig pays right!
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Jul 8, 2010 4:07:26am |
Oh Rush you are quite the card
[Obama] wouldn't have been voted president if he weren't black. Somebody asked me over the weekend why does somebody earn a lot of money have a lot of money, because she's black. It was Oprah. No, it can't be. Yes, it is. There's a lot of guilt out there, show we're not racists, we'll make this person wealthy and big and famous and so forth.... If Obama weren't black he'd be a tour guide in Honolulu or he'd be teaching Saul Alinsky constitutional law or lecturing on it in Chicago.
Oprah! Oprah could tear Limbaugh in half with the power of her mind. You gotta love the ego of radio guys with their tiny brains
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jul 8, 2010 4:11:44am |
re: #25 WindUpBird
The one thing I don't like about Oprah: before the 2004 elections Cameron Diaz was on her show saying if Bush was reelected, rape would be legal. Oprah didn't challenge her. And, FWIW, Cameron Diaz is an idiot.
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Taqyia2Me Thu, Jul 8, 2010 4:12:30am |
re: #23 Cannadian Club Akbar
No, I did not. It was an interview with this Bartle Bull fellow. I have not heard any audio at the event, have only seen the much posted video.
Strange that the defendants chose not to defend themselves at all...
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Stonemason Thu, Jul 8, 2010 4:16:06am |
Hit and run post.
For those of you who are inclined to pray, please, pray for the missing kids from the Duck Boat accident in Philly. The kids are here from Hungary, visiting this week with our church youth group, who were on the boat with them. I can not even begin to imagine what our leader is going though right now, she is such a wonderful, giving person, this must be tearing her up.
Those that don't pray, please think good thoughts for those involved, it can't hurt.
Thanks, back to work for me.
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Taqyia2Me Thu, Jul 8, 2010 4:17:33am |
re: #26 Cannadian Club Akbar
Wow, it's almost like it's a contest for celebs to outcrazy each other.
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freetoken Thu, Jul 8, 2010 4:21:35am |
re: #25 WindUpBird
It must be the season for white-grievance, the nut-o-sphere has gotten even more thick with it the past couple of weeks.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jul 8, 2010 4:23:45am |
My radio just said people are going around to victims of the BP spill, saying they'll help file their claim for a small administration fee. Some people just suck.
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 8, 2010 4:30:55am |
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Spare O'Lake Thu, Jul 8, 2010 4:54:10am |
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Killgore Trout Thu, Jul 8, 2010 4:57:56am |
We're in for another hot one again today so I'm up early to get all my chores done before it heats up.
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 8, 2010 4:58:26am |
re: #35 Killgore Trout
We're in for another hot one again today so I'm up early to get all my chores done before it heats up.
How are the tads?
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Killgore Trout Thu, Jul 8, 2010 5:02:15am |
re: #36 MandyManners
How are the tads?
They're doing ok. I'll have to keep a close eye on them today. We're set to get up to 100. I'll throw some shade cloth over them in case they heat up too much.
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 8, 2010 5:03:57am |
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 8, 2010 5:04:27am |
re: #38 Killgore Trout
They're doing ok. I'll have to keep a close eye on them today. We're set to get up to 100. I'll throw some shade cloth over them in case they heat up too much.
Poor guys can't get a break. First, it was too cold. Now, it's too hot.
(((Tads)))
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Spare O'Lake Thu, Jul 8, 2010 5:05:41am |
re: #40 MandyManners
Poor guys can't get a break. First, it was too cold. Now, it's too hot.
(((Tads)))
I sure hope they don't croak.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jul 8, 2010 5:10:20am |
re: #36 MandyManners
They ain't tads now, are they?... aren't they frogs?
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 8, 2010 5:11:33am |
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 8, 2010 5:11:49am |
re: #42 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
They ain't tads now, are they?... aren't they frogs?
They grow up so fast.
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Spare O'Lake Thu, Jul 8, 2010 5:19:57am |
re: #32 MandyManners
"HonestReporting questions whether “Fadlallah's praise for the massacre of eight Israeli students at Mercaz Ha-Rav Yeshiva in Jerusalem on March 6, 2008,” his “fatwa to the suicide bomber who attacked the U.S. Marine barracks in Beirut in 1983,” his support for “the seizure and hostage-taking at the U.S. Embassy in Tehran in 1979," his backing of ”suicide bombing attacks in 2002", or his praise for “Iran's efforts to build long-range missiles...in 2008” are among the actions that Nasr admires?"
How sick and twisted she must be to support and admire this ugly POS who thirsted for the blood of Americans and Israelis. And the only reason she got canned is because she let her true feelings slip out on a tweet - otherwise CNN would have been happy to keep her on.
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 8, 2010 5:20:27am |
He was Osama bin Laden's driver, bodyguard and, for a while, his cook.
To the United States government, Sudanese citizen Ibrahim Ahmed Mahmoud al Qosi, 50, is an ``unpriviledged enemy belligerent'' -- whose guilty plea to conspiracy and offering material support to a terrorist group Wednesday marks the first conviction at the Guantánamo Navy Base military commissions under President Barack Obama.
Qosi pleaded guilty Wednesday morning at the military commission hearing.
Qosi was accused of joining al Qaeda August of 1996, and remaining by bin Laden's side for the next five years. Once the cook at the ``Star of Jihad'' compound in Afghanistan, he was a member of the mortar crew in a compound in Kandahar -- which he helped evacuate just two weeks before the strike on the Twin Towers.
Two months later, he's alleged to have come under heavy fire by U.S. forces in a quest to help bin Laden escape Tora Bora, according to documents charging him with conspiracy and aiding terrorism.
But the details of his service to the al Qaeda terrorist organization are hardly what matter now. His conviction is critical, because he represents a serious step toward Obama's ultimate goal: emptying out the detention center here, where 181 enemy combatants are still being held nearly six months after the president's deadline to close it.
SNIP
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Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Jul 8, 2010 5:20:33am |
New Apple Friend Bar Gives Customers Someone To Talk At About Mac Products
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 8, 2010 5:20:59am |
re: #48 Spare O'Lake
How sick and twisted she must be to support and admire this ugly POS who thirsted for the blood of Americans and Israelis. And the only reason she got canned is because she let her true feelings slip out on a tweet - otherwise CNN would have been happy to keep her on.
Have you checked our her bio on Wiki?
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jul 8, 2010 5:21:19am |
I've been away a bit lately... the boyfriend and all that. He was transferred out of ICU the other day to a "step-down" unit. He was transferred yesterday to Rehab.
I was joking with him the other day about wheelchair Olympics, and he looked at me with complete seriousness and said,
"I don't know about you. I plan on walking."
Let's hope he's a stubborn bastard. He has a long and difficult road ahead.
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RogueOne Thu, Jul 8, 2010 5:21:25am |
re: #50 Mad Al-Jaffee
Did you see the new Futurama last week about the eyephone? Funny, funny.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Jul 8, 2010 5:21:51am |
re: #40 MandyManners
Poor guys can't get a break. First, it was too cold. Now, it's too hot.
(((Tads)))
Yeah, it's been a tough year in the garden. My largest tomato plant is about 10 inches tall. I have some carrots and peas doing well but not much else.
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RogueOne Thu, Jul 8, 2010 5:22:26am |
re: #54 Killgore Trout
Yeah, it's been a tough year in the garden. My largest tomato plant is about 10 inches tall. I have some carrots and peas doing well but not much else.
You know they have these places you can go and buy that stuff don't you?
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 8, 2010 5:23:49am |
re: #52 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I've been away a bit lately... the boyfriend and all that. He was transferred out of ICU the other day to a "step-down" unit. He was transferred yesterday to Rehab.
I was joking with him the other day about wheelchair Olympics, and he looked at me with complete seriousness and said,
Let's hope he's a stubborn bastard. He has a long and difficult road ahead.
Good attitude.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Jul 8, 2010 5:24:15am |
re: #42 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
They ain't tads now, are they?... aren't they frogs?
I have one or two frogs but the rest are still tads. They fully developed frogs so far have been native tree frogs, no bullfrogs yet. It's interesting that the fully developed frogs are still staying in the tadpole sanctuary for now I haven't seen them venture out into the pond or the garden yet but they're still very tiny. Less than 1/2 inch.
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 8, 2010 5:24:19am |
re: #54 Killgore Trout
Yeah, it's been a tough year in the garden. My largest tomato plant is about 10 inches tall. I have some carrots and peas doing well but not much else.
Egads. My tomatoes have been coming in for about two weeks.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Jul 8, 2010 5:25:34am |
re: #55 RogueOne
You know they have these places you can go and buy that stuff don't you?
That's cheating.
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 8, 2010 5:26:25am |
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Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Jul 8, 2010 5:26:29am |
re: #52 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Have you seen the movie Murderball? Very cool movie about wheelchair rugby. I hope he makes a full recovery.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jul 8, 2010 5:27:07am |
re: #61 Mad Al-Jaffee
Have you seen the movie Murderball? Very cool movie about wheelchair rugby. I hope he makes a full recovery.
I will now!
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Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Jul 8, 2010 5:27:36am |
re: #53 RogueOne
Did you see the new Futurama last week about the eyephone? Funny, funny.
No, I haven't watched Futurama in years.
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RogueOne Thu, Jul 8, 2010 5:31:13am |
re: #65 Mad Al-Jaffee
No, I haven't watched Futurama in years.
Might be because it hasn't been on in years. Comedy Central brought it back for its 6th season a couple weeks ago.
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 8, 2010 5:31:59am |
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Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Jul 8, 2010 5:32:26am |
re: #66 RogueOne
Might be because it hasn't been on in years. Comedy Central brought it back for its 6th season a couple weeks ago.
Even when it was on FOX I didn't watch it much. I liked it, but not enough to watch it every week.
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Spare O'Lake Thu, Jul 8, 2010 5:34:35am |
re: #51 MandyManners
Have you checked our her bio on Wiki?
Perhaps she was brainwashed as a privileged child in Lebanon and brought her hateful anti-Western baggage to America with her when she immigrated. I doubt she will be out of work for long, since there is plenty of demand these days for people with her kind of credentials.
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RogueOne Thu, Jul 8, 2010 5:34:43am |
re: #68 Mad Al-Jaffee
Even when it was on FOX I didn't watch it much. I liked it, but not enough to watch it every week.
I'm stunned, and I used to like you so much too.
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 8, 2010 5:35:57am |
re: #69 Spare O'Lake
Perhaps she was brainwashed as a privileged child in Lebanon and brought her hateful anti-Western baggage to America with her when she immigrated. I doubt she will be out of work for long, since there is plenty of demand these days for people with her kind of credentials.
Al-Jazeera?
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Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Jul 8, 2010 5:37:27am |
re: #70 RogueOne
I'm stunned, and I used to like you so much too.
Sorry. I also stopped watching The Simpsons, maybe ten years ago. Does that make me even worse?
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 8, 2010 5:37:49am |
re: #49 MandyManners
One of the first things US President Barack Obama tried to cross off his endlessly long to-do list upon moving into the White House in January 2009 was closing the military prison at Guantanamo Bay. Despite pledging to close the camp within a year, however, little has happened since then. Congress has blocked efforts to put prisoners on trial on US soil and has shown a reluctance to imprison the terror suspects inside the country.
SNIP
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RogueOne Thu, Jul 8, 2010 5:40:56am |
re: #72 Mad Al-Jaffee
Sorry. I also stopped watching The Simpsons, maybe ten years ago. Does that make me even worse?
You're going straight to hell square.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Jul 8, 2010 5:42:46am |
re: #74 RogueOne
You're going straight to hell square.
I still love the classic Simpsons, but the show stopped being funny sometime arond 2000.
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McSpiff Thu, Jul 8, 2010 5:45:25am |
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Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Jul 8, 2010 5:48:04am |
re: #69 Spare O'Lake
Perhaps she was brainwashed as a privileged child in Lebanon and brought her hateful anti-Western baggage to America with her when she immigrated. I doubt she will be out of work for long, since there is plenty of demand these days for people with her kind of credentials.
She and Helen Thomas should team up and host a talk show.
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 8, 2010 5:48:17am |
The Kid caught a blue lizard (skink?) yesterday and I'm at a loss on what to feed it. Any ideas?
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 8, 2010 5:48:38am |
re: #76 McSpiff
Give Al-Jazeera a little credit. Its pretty bad, but its no CNN.
Ummm...have you read it lately?
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 8, 2010 5:50:00am |
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Spare O'Lake Thu, Jul 8, 2010 5:50:41am |
re: #76 McSpiff
Give Al-Jazeera a little credit. Its pretty bad, but its no CNN.
At least Al-Jazeera's biased cards are on the table.
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McSpiff Thu, Jul 8, 2010 5:50:44am |
re: #79 MandyManners
Ummm...have you read it lately?
I seemed to have dropped these on the way to LGF...'///'. Was just making the joke that CNN lately has gone completely to the dogs.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Jul 8, 2010 5:50:49am |
re: #78 MandyManners
The Kid caught a blue lizard (skink?) yesterday and I'm at a loss on what to feed it. Any ideas?
Probably small bugs but you might try a little lettuce too in case it's a vegetarian lizard.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Jul 8, 2010 5:52:00am |
re: #78 MandyManners
The Kid caught a blue lizard (skink?) yesterday and I'm at a loss on what to feed it. Any ideas?
Tadpoles!
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears Thu, Jul 8, 2010 5:52:22am |
re: #78 MandyManners
The Kid caught a blue lizard (skink?) yesterday and I'm at a loss on what to feed it. Any ideas?
Have you tried any of the recipes out of the cookbooks yet?
///
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McSpiff Thu, Jul 8, 2010 5:52:30am |
re: #81 Spare O'Lake
At least Al-Jazeera's biased cards are on the table.
Its true. It would be hard to mistake Al-Jazeera for unbiased news station. The amount of people that take CNN as gospel truth is pretty disheartening.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Jul 8, 2010 5:52:49am |
re: #83 Killgore Trout
Probably small bugs but you might try a little lettuce too in case it's a vegetarian lizard.
Vegetarian Lizards are known to favor pie.
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 8, 2010 5:54:57am |
re: #82 McSpiff
I seemed to have dropped these on the way to LGF...'///'. Was just making the joke that CNN lately has gone completely to the dogs.
It's not lately. CNN has long been a cesspool of anti-American bias.
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McSpiff Thu, Jul 8, 2010 5:57:08am |
re: #88 MandyManners
It's not lately. CNN has long been a cesspool of anti-American bias.
I was going to say a total lack of common sense in most of their reporting, but we can go with that too.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears Thu, Jul 8, 2010 5:57:18am |
According to wikipedia (under Skinks)
Skinks are generally carnivorous and largely eat insects, including crickets, grasshoppers, beetles, and caterpillars. They also eat earthworms, millipedes, snails, slugs, isopods, other lizards, and small rodents. Some species, particularly those favored as home pets, have a more varied diet and can be maintained on a regimen of roughly 60% vegetables/leaves/fruit and 40% meat (Insects and Rodents).[2]
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 8, 2010 5:57:39am |
re: #83 Killgore Trout
Probably small bugs but you might try a little lettuce too in case it's a vegetarian lizard.
He plucked a lot of leaves from the pear tree for it to hide in. I have no idea if it likes them, though. We'll do the lettuce thing when he gets up. He wanted me to stay out with him last night, killing bugs with a swatter. I refused. This is one pet whose care will be solely up to him. I take care of a cat, a dog and a hamster. Enough.
We might go get a terrarium today.
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 8, 2010 5:58:10am |
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 8, 2010 5:58:34am |
re: #85 oaktree
Have you tried any of the recipes out of the cookbooks yet?
///
Oh, dear me. That's hilarious!
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 8, 2010 6:00:27am |
re: #87 Mad Al-Jaffee
Vegetarian Lizards are known to favor pie.
We're having a small problem with piss-ants. I wonder if it would like some of them.
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Spare O'Lake Thu, Jul 8, 2010 6:00:27am |
Gotta go channel my vast reservoir of nefarious hatred in the real world for awhile.
BBL
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 8, 2010 6:01:06am |
re: #89 McSpiff
I was going to say a total lack of common sense in most of their reporting, but we can go with that too.
Works for me.
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MagnaniomousCoward Thu, Jul 8, 2010 6:01:54am |
A bit of excitement here in Norway today: Norway Arrests 3 Men in Terrorist Plot
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 8, 2010 6:03:16am |
re: #90 oaktree
According to wikipedia (under Skinks)
Skinks are generally carnivorous and largely eat insects, including crickets, grasshoppers, beetles, and caterpillars. They also eat earthworms, millipedes, snails, slugs, isopods, other lizards, and small rodents. Some species, particularly those favored as home pets, have a more varied diet and can be maintained on a regimen of roughly 60% vegetables/leaves/fruit and 40% meat (Insects and Rodents).[2]
Yeah, Skink. That's the name of the protagonist in some of Carl Hiaasen's novels.
They'll have to be small bugs 'cause it's a small lizard.
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 8, 2010 6:03:37am |
re: #95 Spare O'Lake
Gotta go channel my vast reservoir of nefarious hatred in the real world for awhile.
BBL
Have fun!
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McSpiff Thu, Jul 8, 2010 6:03:40am |
Well, its off to the real world for me too. Stay scaly.
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 8, 2010 6:05:42am |
re: #97 MagnaniomousCoward
A bit of excitement here in Norway today: Norway Arrests 3 Men in Terrorist Plot
Damn MFM and their leaks.
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RogueOne Thu, Jul 8, 2010 6:07:57am |
re: #97 MagnaniomousCoward
A bit of excitement here in Norway today: Norway Arrests 3 Men in Terrorist Plot
FTA:
One of the men arrested was a 39-year-old Norwegian citizen of Chinese origin who belonged to the Muslim Uighur group, she said.
That can't be right. We were told the Uighurs only hated on the chinese out of nationalist reasons.
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 8, 2010 6:08:01am |
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 8, 2010 6:08:36am |
re: #102 RogueOne
That can't be right. We were told the Uighurs only hated on the chinese out of nationalist reasons.
They're mentioned in the Spiegel link I posted earlier.
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Ericus58 Thu, Jul 8, 2010 6:08:54am |
Super squid sex organ discovered
[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]
"The mating habits of deep-sea squid have been revealed for the first time, after the discovery of a male squid with a huge elongated and erect penis.
The male squid's sexual organ is almost as long as its whole body, including the squid's mantle, head and arms.
That shows how male deep-sea squid inseminate females; they use their huge penis to shoot out packages of sperm, injecting them into the female's body.
The discovery may also help explain how giant squid mate in the ocean depths. "
IT'S BIGGER THAN HIS HEAD!!
RUN!!
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 8, 2010 6:10:26am |
re: #105 Ericus58
Super squid sex organ discovered
[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]
"The mating habits of deep-sea squid have been revealed for the first time, after the discovery of a male squid with a huge elongated and erect penis.
The male squid's sexual organ is almost as long as its whole body, including the squid's mantle, head and arms.
That shows how male deep-sea squid inseminate females; they use their huge penis to shoot out packages of sperm, injecting them into the female's body.
The discovery may also help explain how giant squid mate in the ocean depths. "
IT'S BIGGER THAN HIS HEAD!!
RUN!!
*facepalm*
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jul 8, 2010 6:10:40am |
re: #105 Ericus58
Super squid sex organ discovered
[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]
"The mating habits of deep-sea squid have been revealed for the first time, after the discovery of a male squid with a huge elongated and erect penis.
The male squid's sexual organ is almost as long as its whole body, including the squid's mantle, head and arms.
That shows how male deep-sea squid inseminate females; they use their huge penis to shoot out packages of sperm, injecting them into the female's body.
The discovery may also help explain how giant squid mate in the ocean depths. "
IT'S BIGGER THAN HIS HEAD!!
RUN!!
I know the feeling. Mine is the size of my thumb. Wait, what?
///
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Obdicut Thu, Jul 8, 2010 6:11:03am |
re: #105 Ericus58
IT'S BIGGER THAN HIS HEAD!!
RUN!!
Or, for some:
IT'S BIGGER THAN HIS HEAD! GET HIS NUMBER AND FIND OUT IF HE'S FREE ON FRIDAY!
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears Thu, Jul 8, 2010 6:13:40am |
re: #98 MandyManners
Yeah, Skink. That's the name of the protagonist in some of Carl Hiaasen's novels.
They'll have to be small bugs 'cause it's a small lizard.
Just be careful in case it decides you fall into the "other lizards" category!
;)
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 8, 2010 6:13:43am |
re: #105 Ericus58
Speaking of weird critters of the sea,...
After weeks of following every tentacle twitch, Germans' shuddered on Tuesday morning when Paul, a psychic octopus at the Sea Life public aquarium in the western German city of Oberhausen, tipped Spain to beat Germany in Wednesday's semifinal in Durban, South Africa.
SNIP
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darthstar Thu, Jul 8, 2010 6:14:01am |
re: #105 Ericus58
So that's how they shoot through the water...
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MagnaniomousCoward Thu, Jul 8, 2010 6:14:02am |
re: #105 Ericus58
Since I'm a musician, I tend to see "organ" and think of the instrument, so "sex organ" conjures up images of a huge pipe organ which plays Barry White music.
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 8, 2010 6:14:15am |
re: #109 oaktree
Just be careful in case it decides you fall into the "other lizards" category!
;)
LOL!!!
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 8, 2010 6:16:12am |
re: #112 MagnaniomousCoward
Since I'm a musician, I tend to see "organ" and think of the instrument, so "sex organ" conjures up images of a huge pipe organ which plays Barry White music.
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darthstar Thu, Jul 8, 2010 6:17:04am |
re: #107 Cannadian Club Akbar
I know the feeling. Mine is the size of my thumb. Wait, what?
///
"Who do you expect to please with that thing?", she asked.
"Me," he said.
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Ojoe Thu, Jul 8, 2010 6:19:07am |
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 8, 2010 6:20:36am |
It has long been known that Hizbullah uses quiet villages nestled in the hills of southern Lebanon to stockpile weapons and rockets. The IDF has now announced openly that it knows precisely which buildings to target if and when the Third Lebanon War breaks out.
SNIP
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Killgore Trout Thu, Jul 8, 2010 6:20:43am |
BP PLC is pushing to fix its runaway Gulf oil well by July 27, possibly weeks before the deadline the company is discussing publicly, in a bid to show investors it has capped its ballooning financial liabilities, according to company officials.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jul 8, 2010 6:21:01am |
re: #116 Ojoe
Solar plane with pilot stays up 24 hours.
A hopeful thing!
Hope & Change
Read the first comment. I think it was posted by Alex Jones.
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Ericus58 Thu, Jul 8, 2010 6:21:14am |
re: #110 MandyManners
Speaking of weird critters of the sea,...
Hahahaha! That one cracks me up!
You know what happens when you stress out an octopus.... they get their big brother to take your ship down to Davey Jones' Locker
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Ericus58 Thu, Jul 8, 2010 6:22:39am |
re: #115 darthstar
"Who do you expect to please with that thing?", she asked.
"Me," he said.
Brilliant!
That line is always a crowd pleaser.
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 8, 2010 6:22:56am |
re: #119 Cannadian Club Akbar
Read the first comment. I think it was posted by Alex Jones.
Not enough flecks of spittle.
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Ojoe Thu, Jul 8, 2010 6:23:37am |
re: #119 Cannadian Club Akbar
Well that's a moron comment.
Weapons "of war" are good things.
We haven't had a great power war since the development of the nuclear weapon.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Jul 8, 2010 6:25:23am |
re: #112 MagnaniomousCoward
Since I'm a musician, I tend to see "organ" and think of the instrument, so "sex organ" conjures up images of a huge pipe organ which plays Barry White music.
What's better than roses on a piano?
Two lips on an organ.
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 8, 2010 6:25:43am |
Professor T.J. Joseph was attacked on July 4 in while returning home from Sunday mass with his mother and sister, a Catholic nun.
Kochi inspector-general of police, B. Sandya, told ucanews.com that an Islamic extremist group is suspected of the crime and have arrested four people and impounded a vehicle.
SNIP
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darthstar Thu, Jul 8, 2010 6:25:44am |
Obama Admin helping vets with PTSD
The regulations from the Department of Veterans Affairs, which will take effect as early as Monday and cost as much as $5 billion over several years according to Congressional analysts, will essentially eliminate a requirement that veterans document specific events like bomb blasts, firefights or mortar attacks that might have caused P.T.S.D., an illness characterized by emotional numbness, irritability and flashbacks.For decades, veterans have complained that finding such records was extremely time consuming and sometimes impossible. And in the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, veterans groups assert that the current rules discriminate against tens of thousands of service members — many of them women — who did not serve in combat roles but nevertheless suffered traumatic experiences.
Read the whole article
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Killgore Trout Thu, Jul 8, 2010 6:28:26am |
I'm pretty sure I pulled a muscle in my abdomen in a marathon weeding session. I really hope it's not a hernia. I can't afford a hernia.
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darthstar Thu, Jul 8, 2010 6:29:30am |
re: #116 Ojoe
Solar plane with pilot stays up 24 hours.
A hopeful thing!
Hope & Change
The Swiss are not about to be outdone by a squid in the 'keeping it up' department.
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lawhawk Thu, Jul 8, 2010 6:30:13am |
Greets and saluts from the slightly less sweltering NYC metro area. Temps aren't supposed to reach triple digits again in Central Park, but the humidity is going to make it feel just as bad. The onshore flow is starting to kick up lots more clouds and some showers, but the heat wave is expected to continue through to the weekend because temps will be at or above 90.
Air quality is getting worse with each passing day because of the humidity, ozone levels at ground level, and it hits the elderly and infirm hardest - so if you're around, check in on neighbors and those who might be at risk.
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 8, 2010 6:34:46am |
In 2009, a panel of authors bandied about support for Hizballah and anti-Semitic conspiracy theories that cast Jews as controlling the world and interpreted the Holocaust as punishment for their sins. The speeches were more subtle this year, but included support for Hamas and repeatedly lamented what they saw as Israel's power to dictate policy to America.
During a Saturday evening session, Rashad Hussain read a letter from President Obama welcoming the convention to his hometown of Chicago and praising ISNA for gathering thousands of people. "Outside of the hajj," or pilgrimage to Mecca, the President wrote, "this convention constitutes one of the most diverse gatherings of Muslim people in the world, and that is a testament to the diversity and dynamism of Muslim communities right here in America."
SNIP
Hussain's message, however, was at odds with that of other convention speakers—and it was on Palestinian-Israeli issues that conference sessions skewed most heavily. In panels on humanitarian aid for Gaza and interfaith support for Palestine, Israeli policy was accused of being the sole cause of the conflict solely to blame. No speaker called on Hamas to tear up its covenant, which invokes the anti-Semitic forgery of The Protocols of the Elders of Zion and calls for Israel's destruction. No one urged the group to release Gilad Shalit, whom Hamas kidnapped and has held captive since 2006, forbidding any visit from outside monitors, such as the International Red Cross.
In a panel hosted by American Muslims for Palestine (AMP), attorney Othman Atta referred to Shalit— who was abducted by Hamas gunmen who crossed into Israel— as "the Israeli terrorist who was part of enforcing the siege on Gaza."
SNIP
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Killgore Trout Thu, Jul 8, 2010 6:34:58am |
U.S. stock futures rise as jobless claims drop
U.S. stock futures turned higher on Thursday, with investors encouraged by a drop in weekly jobless claims, which helped offset mixed sales from retailers.
Separately, European Central Bank President Jean-Claude Trichet said risks to the economic outlook in the euro zone are balanced. As expected, the central bank left interest rates unchanged. The Bank of England also held rates steady.
Futures for the Dow Jones Industrial Average were up 42 points at 10,022, while those for the S&P 500 were up 5.1 points to 1,064.40. Futures for the Nasdaq 100 fell 8 points to 1,797.50.
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 8, 2010 6:35:27am |
re: #127 Killgore Trout
I'm pretty sure I pulled a muscle in my abdomen in a marathon weeding session. I really hope it's not a hernia. I can't afford a hernia.
Get to the doctor today!!!
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 8, 2010 6:35:59am |
re: #129 lawhawk
Greets and saluts from the slightly less sweltering NYC metro area. Temps aren't supposed to reach triple digits again in Central Park, but the humidity is going to make it feel just as bad. The onshore flow is starting to kick up lots more clouds and some showers, but the heat wave is expected to continue through to the weekend because temps will be at or above 90.
Air quality is getting worse with each passing day because of the humidity, ozone levels at ground level, and it hits the elderly and infirm hardest - so if you're around, check in on neighbors and those who might be at risk.
What will be the heat index?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jul 8, 2010 6:37:29am |
re: #133 MandyManners
I'm betting between 103 and 105.
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 8, 2010 6:42:07am |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jul 8, 2010 6:43:10am |
re: #136 MandyManners
Oh, that'll be awful in a city.
I bet street vendors selling Italian Ice are digging it.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Jul 8, 2010 6:44:05am |
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Killgore Trout Thu, Jul 8, 2010 6:44:46am |
re: #132 MandyManners
Get to the doctor today!!!
No chance. I'll give it some time and see if it heals on its own. Probably just a pulled muscle. I'll just take it easy for a few days.
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goddamnedfrank Thu, Jul 8, 2010 6:44:53am |
Arthur Laffer's over at the WSJ attacking unemployment benefits and trying to sell a tax holiday.
Anybody want to correct the light blue line in his graph for inflation? There is a reason he did not, real world economics isn't his thing, manipulative bullshit is.
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 8, 2010 6:45:27am |
re: #137 Cannadian Club Akbar
I bet street vendors selling Italian Ice are digging it.
How will they keep their cones cold?
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 8, 2010 6:45:52am |
re: #139 Killgore Trout
No chance. I'll give it some time and see if it heals on its own. Probably just a pulled muscle. I'll just take it easy for a few days.
Kick your feet up, Kilgore.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jul 8, 2010 6:46:30am |
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lawhawk Thu, Jul 8, 2010 6:47:04am |
In a bit of good news, the Port Authority has chosen the Durst Organization to hold a stake and manage the sales at the Freedom Tower. The Durst family was up against the heavy hitters in the real estate business and beat out the Related Cos in the final round to develop the rising tower.
The NY Times was downcast in its reporting of this development, which isn't surprising since the Times is a real estate business as much as it is a newspaper and the Ground Zero construction competes with its own new HQ in midtown.
But it again supports the view that the Port Authority was wrong to push Silverstein Properties to the curb - since he was in a better position to get construction underway had the Port Authority simply gotten out of the way and let Silverstein proceed. Instead, years of delays ensued.
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HAL2010 Thu, Jul 8, 2010 6:47:05am |
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 8, 2010 6:48:20am |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jul 8, 2010 6:49:18am |
re: #146 MandyManners
You missed the obvious dirty joke, CCA.
I blame the fact that it is almost nap time.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Jul 8, 2010 6:50:21am |
The wingnuts are gonna freak out....
Alleged Russian spies could plead guilty, be deported, source says
Ten suspected Russian spies in the United States could enter guilty pleas Thursday and be swiftly deported, possibly as soon as Thursday night, a source with detailed knowledge of the investigation told CNN.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jul 8, 2010 6:51:27am |
re: #148 Killgore Trout
The wingnuts are gonna freak out...
Alleged Russian spies could plead guilty, be deported, source says
Can we keep the red head?
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darthstar Thu, Jul 8, 2010 6:51:48am |
I thought it was the Democrats who sided with terrorists?
It was an odd outcome for Mark D. Siljander, who said he wanted to help bridge the gulf between Muslims and Christians. A Republican who attained one of Michigan's congressional seats from 1981 to 1987 with assistance from the Moral Majority, Siljander was outspoken about conservative social issues.
Siljander confirmed in a Kansas City, Mo., court that he contacted members of Congress in an effort to lift restrictions on the charity and then lied about his work in statements to investigators. He could face a 15-year prison term and a $500,000 fine, according to a Justice Department statement.
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HAL2010 Thu, Jul 8, 2010 6:52:13am |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jul 8, 2010 6:52:51am |
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darthstar Thu, Jul 8, 2010 6:52:56am |
re: #148 Killgore Trout
The wingnuts are gonna freak out...
Alleged Russian spies could plead guilty, be deported, source says
Well, we might get some American spies back in return...so that could be a good thing. But you're right...they'll freak out all the same.
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HAL2010 Thu, Jul 8, 2010 6:53:21am |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jul 8, 2010 6:53:58am |
re: #155 darthstar
Well, we might get some American spies back in return...so that could be a good thing. But you're right...they'll freak out all the same.
And remember, our spies a true patroits.
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lawhawk Thu, Jul 8, 2010 6:53:58am |
re: #148 Killgore Trout
Oh, it's not that they'll be deported after entering guilty pleas - it's that they're likely to be part of a spy swap - the 10 we caught versus one the Russians caught.
And don't think that those numbers aren't going to catch people's attention. Why are we swapping 10 for 1? Well, one reason is that the 10 we caught don't appear to have gotten into any classified intel/data or transferred state secrets, while the guy the Russians caught may have had such access/transfers.
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 8, 2010 6:54:01am |
re: #148 Killgore Trout
According to Sutyagina, her son was on a list of 11 names submitted by the United States for the exchange of the Russians detained in the United States the alleged spy ring. She said her son remembers just one other name on this list -- Sergei Skripal, a former Russian military intelligence officer sentenced for spying.
Sutyagina's been in prison for about six years. I wonder how long the others have been in prison.
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 8, 2010 6:55:01am |
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researchok Thu, Jul 8, 2010 6:55:46am |
re: #160 MandyManners
How's it going?
I've been busy.
You know, I'd have the greatest job in the world if it weren't for clients.
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 8, 2010 6:55:59am |
re: #158 lawhawk
Oh, it's not that they'll be deported after entering guilty pleas - it's that they're likely to be part of a spy swap - the 10 we caught versus one the Russians caught.
And don't think that those numbers aren't going to catch people's attention. Why are we swapping 10 for 1? Well, one reason is that the 10 we caught don't appear to have gotten into any classified intel/data or transferred state secrets, while the guy the Russians caught may have had such access/transfers.
No. 159.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Jul 8, 2010 6:56:18am |
re: #158 lawhawk
Oh, it's not that they'll be deported after entering guilty pleas - it's that they're likely to be part of a spy swap - the 10 we caught versus one the Russians caught.
And don't think that those numbers aren't going to catch people's attention. Why are we swapping 10 for 1? Well, one reason is that the 10 we caught don't appear to have gotten into any classified intel/data or transferred state secrets, while the guy the Russians caught may have had such access/transfers.
I also think it might be because they just aren't holding many of our spies.
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 8, 2010 6:56:19am |
re: #161 researchok
I've been busy.
You know, I'd have the greatest job in the world if it weren't for clients.
Pesky little bastards.
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researchok Thu, Jul 8, 2010 6:57:40am |
re: #163 Killgore Trout
I also think it might be because they just aren't holding many of our spies.
You know, I have always wondered about that. I suppose we'll never really know how many spies are incarcerated.
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researchok Thu, Jul 8, 2010 6:58:14am |
re: #164 MandyManners
Pesky little bastards.
Yeah. They think just because they pay they can tell you what to do.
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darthstar Thu, Jul 8, 2010 6:59:08am |
re: #163 Killgore Trout
I also think it might be because they just aren't holding many of our spies.
Ah...that refreshing blast of air from the Cold War...I wish we'd been told we'd rejoined it a few years ago.
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researchok Thu, Jul 8, 2010 7:01:11am |
re: #167 darthstar
Ah...that refreshing blast of air from the Cold War...I wish we'd been told we'd rejoined it a few years ago.
A couple of days ago a CIA expert on CNN said there has never been a reduction in espionage. I suspect that is true of our agencies as well.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jul 8, 2010 7:01:57am |
My radio just said the Russian nuke scientist spy that worked with the US is now in Vienna.
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 8, 2010 7:03:05am |
It is consistent with his wildly exaggerated concept of governmental and presidential power and competence. Samuel Johnson wrote: "How small, of all that human hearts endure, that part which laws or kings can cause or cure." Obama believes the opposite -- that his presidency can be a transformative moment not just for the nation, but for the world. He will halt global warming and stop the rise of the oceans, transition America to a green energy future, prevent the "cycle of boom and bust" in the economy, provide universal health care while spending less than before, cushion "underwater" mortgage holders without rewarding profligate borrowers, increase taxes on the "rich" without harming the middle class, solve the problem of excessive public debt by amassing more public debt and so on.
SNIP
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researchok Thu, Jul 8, 2010 7:03:42am |
re: #169 Cannadian Club Akbar
My radio just said the Russian nuke scientist spy that worked with the US is now in Vienna.
Even spy swaps have gone high tech- from POTS to high speed.
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 8, 2010 7:04:27am |
re: #167 darthstar
Ah...that refreshing blast of air from the Cold War...I wish we'd been told we'd rejoined it a few years ago.
Did it ever end?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jul 8, 2010 7:06:39am |
re: #172 MandyManners
Did it ever end?
I doubt it. And I'm sure Russia stepped it up when Putin took over.
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HAL2010 Thu, Jul 8, 2010 7:07:08am |
re: #173 Cannadian Club Akbar
I doubt it. And I'm sure Russia stepped it up when Putin took over.
In Soviet Russia, Cold War stops YOU!
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Semper Fi Thu, Jul 8, 2010 7:08:07am |
Good morning lizards,
Gonna be a normal summer day here with a high just over 100 and nights in high 70's. I kinda like it but air can get quite dry with humidity in low teens and sometimes below 10%. Those days play havoc with my nasal passages.
Hope everyone is enjoying their day.
Reading one of the earlier posts (#25) on this thread reminded me of my initial interest in Rush Limbaugh. I have considered him a real 'zero' for some time now but not so in the beginning more than a dozen years ago. Just sayin'.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Jul 8, 2010 7:09:58am |
re: #173 Cannadian Club Akbar
I doubt it. And I'm sure Russia stepped it up when Putin took over.
Also keep in mind that everybody spies on everybody else. We spy on the British, the Israelis spy on us, France spies on India, etc.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Jul 8, 2010 7:10:00am |
Not surprisingly, Salon's Glenn Greenwald is upset about Nasr being fired. I won't post a link, but it's on Salon dot com today.
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 8, 2010 7:10:01am |
re: #173 Cannadian Club Akbar
I doubt it. And I'm sure Russia stepped it up when Putin took over.
You can take the boy out of the KGB but, you can't take the KGB out of the boy.
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 8, 2010 7:10:49am |
re: #175 Semper Fi
Good morning lizards,
Gonna be a normal summer day here with a high just over 100 and nights in high 70's. I kinda like it but air can get quite dry with humidity in low teens and sometimes below 10%. Those days play havoc with my nasal passages.
Hope everyone is enjoying their day.Reading one of the earlier posts (#25) on this thread reminded me of my initial interest in Rush Limbaugh. I have considered him a real 'zero' for some time now but not so in the beginning more than a dozen years ago. Just sayin'.
He turned me off with his bullshit about "feminazis".
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researchok Thu, Jul 8, 2010 7:11:40am |
re: #170 MandyManners
The truth is even more depressing. The UN Report on Human Development noted that Arab world education is at the lowest level in the world, save for sub Saharan Africa.
Given the obscene wealth on would think publishing new textbooks would not be a great drain, but in fact these regimes fear an educated society because an educated society is harder to control.
To be sure, the Arab world is not the entire Muslim world but in fact they do exert a great influence in Muslim countries worldwide, Afghanistan being a prime example. In the 60's and 70's they were a progressive nation with universities, women's rights, medical schools, etc. Flash forward and we have a new stone age in the region.
I understand Obama's intent- and it is admirable- but it will not succeed. You cannot legislate or impose culture, values or societal norms. They have to come from within. Creating a Utopia is an unattainable brass ring.
There can be no Utopia without the imposition of tyranny.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jul 8, 2010 7:12:29am |
re: #176 Killgore Trout
Also keep in mind that everybody spies on everybody else. We spy on the British, the Israelis spy on us, France spies on India, etc.
Didn't we catch a Chinese spy who was here 20 years and worked at Los Alamos?
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 8, 2010 7:12:37am |
re: #176 Killgore Trout
Also keep in mind that everybody spies on everybody else. We spy on the British, the Israelis spy on us, France spies on India, etc.
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HAL2010 Thu, Jul 8, 2010 7:12:43am |
re: #179 MandyManners
He turned me off with his bullshit about "feminazis".
I take it you are one of those modern women who stray out of the kitchen?
//
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 8, 2010 7:13:00am |
re: #177 Mad Al-Jaffee
Not surprisingly, Salon's Glenn Greenwald is upset about Nasr being fired. I won't post a link, but it's on Salon dot com today.
Dumbass.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Jul 8, 2010 7:14:02am |
re: #181 Cannadian Club Akbar
Didn't we catch a Chinese spy who was here 20 years and worked at Los Alamos?
Yeah, we spy on them too.
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researchok Thu, Jul 8, 2010 7:14:15am |
re: #177 Mad Al-Jaffee
Not surprisingly, Salon's Glenn Greenwald is upset about Nasr being fired. I won't post a link, but it's on Salon dot com today.
Not to worry. She'll head on over to al Jazeera and do a special on how the Israelis/Jews control the media and Congress.
She'll be fair and balanced though. She'll acknowledge the Holocaust. Well, maybe she will.
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 8, 2010 7:14:28am |
re: #180 researchok
To be sure, the Arab world is not the entire Muslim world but in fact they do exert a great influence in Muslim countries worldwide, Afghanistan being a prime example. In the 60's and 70's they were a progressive nation with universities, women's rights, medical schools, etc. Flash forward and we have a new stone age in the region.
Someone posted a link to a photograph in a record store in Afghanistan years ago. Amazing.
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Semper Fi Thu, Jul 8, 2010 7:15:26am |
re: #179 MandyManners
He turned me off with his bullshit about "feminazis".
He likes to 'coin' a word or phrase and play it over and over no matter how outrageous. As a matter of fact, to him, outrageous is good.
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 8, 2010 7:15:26am |
re: #183 HAL2010
I take it you are one of those modern women who stray out of the kitchen?
//
I love the kitchen. But, no one forces me into it.
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 8, 2010 7:16:52am |
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 8, 2010 7:17:31am |
re: #189 Semper Fi
He likes to 'coin' a word or phrase and play it over and over no matter how outrageous. As a matter of fact, to him, outrageous is good.
Mockery has its place but, he was just vicious. Still is from what I hear.
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HAL2010 Thu, Jul 8, 2010 7:18:03am |
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researchok Thu, Jul 8, 2010 7:18:46am |
re: #187 MandyManners
Someone posted a link to a photograph in a record store in Afghanistan years ago. Amazing.
When you talk about womens rights, Afganistan always comes up.
There was a time that nation had a woman judges.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Thu, Jul 8, 2010 7:19:12am |
re: #192 MandyManners
Mockery has its place but, he was just vicious. Still is from what I hear.
He really started to amp up the rhetoric in the Clinton years, and it's been a (sometimes slower than others) downhill slide ever since. I used to be what you'd call a "dittohead", but I just can't even listen to him anymore.
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HAL2010 Thu, Jul 8, 2010 7:19:30am |
re: #190 MandyManners
I love the kitchen. But, no one forces me into it.
I love cooking, a very soothing activity. Kitchen isn't that great that I actually love it though. Only wish I had the patience to no eat all the ingredients while I cook.
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MrSilverDragon Thu, Jul 8, 2010 7:20:34am |
Good morning, folks. Hope y'all are having a splendid day so far.
Cool find with that animation, Charles. That Blu person is pretty talented.
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researchok Thu, Jul 8, 2010 7:20:56am |
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Semper Fi Thu, Jul 8, 2010 7:24:02am |
re: #192 MandyManners
Mockery has its place but, he was just vicious. Still is from what I hear.
His 'attention getting' devices. He initially caught my attention with, "Congress' job is to spend money" (quotes may not be appropriate) and it made sense to me at the time -- dozen years ago.
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 8, 2010 7:24:03am |
Myrick requested US Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano create a special team to further investigate the potential problem and threat.
The Republican representative referenced several incidents that show evidence of Hizbullah's efforts to infiltrate the US region with the aid of Mexican drug cartel gangs.
"It is vital we know what is happening on our border, especially as crime and violence continue to rise there and as terrorist plots and threats are increasing inside the US," quoted the Fox News report.
Myrick cited the warming relationship between Iran and Venzuela as proof that Hizbullah members may be collaborating with Latin American drug cartels, who may be utilizing Hizbullah's ability to dig underground tunnels for drug smuggling and in turn, providing funding, document forging and false identities.
SNIP
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Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Jul 8, 2010 7:24:04am |
re: #181 Cannadian Club Akbar
Didn't we catch a Chinese spy who was here 20 years and worked at Los Alamos?
We've also had some American spies/traitors caught not too long ago - Aldrich Ames and Robert Hanssen.
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Ebetty Thu, Jul 8, 2010 7:24:07am |
Morning, all. @Mandy: Thanks for the kind words. Was a tremendous source of courage the last few days. So happy to be free. Every day is Independence Day now!
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 8, 2010 7:24:32am |
re: #194 researchok
When you talk about womens rights, Afganistan always comes up.
There was a time that nation had a woman judges.
I wondere where they are today.
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 8, 2010 7:25:24am |
re: #195 thedopefishlives
He really started to amp up the rhetoric in the Clinton years, and it's been a (sometimes slower than others) downhill slide ever since. I used to be what you'd call a "dittohead", but I just can't even listen to him anymore.
I think I've listened to him for a total of two hours.
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Semper Fi Thu, Jul 8, 2010 7:25:50am |
re: #193 HAL2010
My Aunt and Uncle hitchhiked around Afghanistan and Kabul in particular in the early seventies, loved the place. Obviously, doing that today would be slightly more tricky.
What an adventure that must have been. I admire folks like that.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears Thu, Jul 8, 2010 7:25:50am |
re: #191 MandyManners
THANKS!!!
They'd stone the women, behead the man and burn down the shop nowadays.
If you manage to bring everyone back down to 11th century technology and education then your religious fanaticism is much more effective in a military sense. Crazy like a fox approach to making your region influential in the world again.
Not to mention that you're also destroying the alternate world view that might distract your sheep followers.
/
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researchok Thu, Jul 8, 2010 7:26:01am |
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 8, 2010 7:26:04am |
re: #196 HAL2010
I love cooking, a very soothing activity. Kitchen isn't that great that I actually love it though. Only wish I had the patience to no eat all the ingredients while I cook.
That's one of the benefits for me.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jul 8, 2010 7:26:07am |
re: #201 Mad Al-Jaffee
We've also had some American spies/traitors caught not too long ago - Aldrich Ames and Robert Hanssen.
I remember the Ames thing. And Hannsen. But the movie about Ames starring Chris Cooper was great.
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 8, 2010 7:27:04am |
re: #199 Semper Fi
His 'attention getting' devices. He initially caught my attention with, "Congress' job is to spend money" (quotes may not be appropriate) and it made sense to me at the time -- dozen years ago.
That's common sense.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Thu, Jul 8, 2010 7:27:28am |
re: #204 MandyManners
I think I've listened to him for a total of two hours.
He still makes a few good points every now and again. But then, when you think about it, even a stopped clock is right twice a day.
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 8, 2010 7:27:30am |
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Ebetty Thu, Jul 8, 2010 7:27:39am |
re: #196 HAL2010
I find cooking very soothing, the more folks I can cook for the happier I am. Plus, when there are guests - they'll do the dishes!
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HAL2010 Thu, Jul 8, 2010 7:27:54am |
re: #206 Semper Fi
What an adventure that must have been. I admire folks like that.
Well, actually it was all part of a trip they made with a bunch of their friends and my mum. Bought a van in north England and went to India in it. When they reached Kabul they jumped off. Mum went and walked around Neapal for a year or so.
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Semper Fi Thu, Jul 8, 2010 7:27:56am |
re: #195 thedopefishlives
He really started to amp up the rhetoric in the Clinton years, and it's been a (sometimes slower than others) downhill slide ever since. I used to be what you'd call a "dittohead", but I just can't even listen to him anymore.
That last sentence. I sure can relate to it.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Jul 8, 2010 7:28:56am |
re: #210 Cannadian Club Akbar
I remember the Ames thing. And Hannsen. But the movie about Ames starring Chris Cooper was great.
Both could have been executed but they plea bargained to life without parole. Scumbags.
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HAL2010 Thu, Jul 8, 2010 7:29:52am |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jul 8, 2010 7:29:58am |
re: #217 Mad Al-Jaffee
Both could have been executed but they plea bargained to life without parole. Scumbags.
Same with Jonny Walker in the late 60's. He spied during war time.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Thu, Jul 8, 2010 7:30:30am |
re: #214 Ebetty
I find cooking very soothing, the more folks I can cook for the happier I am. Plus, when there are guests - they'll do the dishes!
I want your guests. Mine leave the house full of trash.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jul 8, 2010 7:30:37am |
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Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Jul 8, 2010 7:31:03am |
re: #210 Cannadian Club Akbar
I remember the Ames thing. And Hannsen. But the movie about Ames starring Chris Cooper was great.
Cooper played Hannsen in the movie Breach. There was also a made for tv movie about him.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jul 8, 2010 7:31:37am |
re: #222 Mad Al-Jaffee
Cooper played Hannsen in the movie Breach. There was also a made for tv movie about him.
K. I got them backwards.
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Semper Fi Thu, Jul 8, 2010 7:31:38am |
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 8, 2010 7:31:55am |
re: #205 lawhawk
SF considering a ban on pet sales other than fish.
Oy.
Repost from yesterday:
Coca-Cola is out, and soy milk is now part of San Francisco's official city policy.
Under an executive order from Mayor Gavin Newsom, Coke, Pepsi and Fanta Orange are no longer allowed in vending machines on city property, although their diet counterparts are - up to a point.
Newsom's directive, issued in April but whose practical impacts are starting to be felt now, bars calorically sweetened beverages from vending machines on city property.
That includes non-diet sodas, sports drinks and artificially sweetened water. Juice must be 100 percent fruit or vegetable juice with no added sweeteners. Diet sodas can be no more than 25 percent of the items offered, the directive says.
There should be "ample choices" of water, "soy milk, rice milk and other similar dairy or non dairy milk," says the directive, which also covers fat and sugar content in vending machine snacks.
SNIP
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HAL2010 Thu, Jul 8, 2010 7:32:45am |
re: #221 Cannadian Club Akbar
What fish?
Anything that's whole. I love scallops and all shellfish, I'm just afraid I would overcook something like trout or bass.
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 8, 2010 7:32:50am |
re: #207 oaktree
If you manage to bring everyone back down to 11th century technology and education then your religious fanaticism is much more effective in a military sense. Crazy like a fox approach to making your region influential in the world again.
Not to mention that you're also destroying the alternate world view that might distract your
sheepfollowers./
I just cannot get over the banning of kites and song-birds.
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Ebetty Thu, Jul 8, 2010 7:32:52am |
re: #213 MandyManners
A couple of attempts. But the unsolicited emails from one of his women pretty much cured me. Quite loquacious an detailed. I've decided it's all a sad tale. I learned everything about what I don't want. His capability for emotional abuse is far and wide. I feel lucky to have escaped before I was so isolated I couldn't get back.
Thought about your divorce, the costs. I'm so in awe of your grace. Thanks for the kind words. I've been more productive at work this week than I have been in two months. Or maybe, it just doesn't seem as tough.
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 8, 2010 7:33:20am |
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 8, 2010 7:34:37am |
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 8, 2010 7:35:24am |
re: #219 Cannadian Club Akbar
Same with Jonny Walker in the late 60's. He spied during war time.
Fucking scum of the earth.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jul 8, 2010 7:35:39am |
re: #226 HAL2010
Anything that's whole. I love scallops and all shellfish, I'm just afraid I would overcook something like trout or bass.
Buy filets. As far as cooking goes, I'll give you some ideas when I have more time, including pan seared scallops.
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Semper Fi Thu, Jul 8, 2010 7:35:40am |
re: #215 HAL2010
Well, actually it was all part of a trip they made with a bunch of their friends and my mum. Bought a van in north England and went to India in it. When they reached Kabul they jumped off. Mum went and walked around Neapal for a year or so.
I always like to say....
"Money." You can't take it with you.
"Adventure." Those belong to you and do go with you.
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HAL2010 Thu, Jul 8, 2010 7:36:03am |
re: #230 MandyManners
Google.
I know I should, but then I think I will just buy some lamb or a roast instead and ignore the problem until I feel the craving again. I'm terribly lazy like that I'm afraid.
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HAL2010 Thu, Jul 8, 2010 7:37:02am |
re: #232 Cannadian Club Akbar
Buy filets. As far as cooking goes, I'll give you some ideas when I have more time, including pan seared scallops.
Sounds good, cheers!
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Thu, Jul 8, 2010 7:37:24am |
re: #232 Cannadian Club Akbar
Buy filets. As far as cooking goes, I'll give you some ideas when I have more time, including pan seared scallops.
This. Filets are not that hard to do. I've grilled them about three different ways and done pan-seared, fried, and even baked. Good stuff.
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MrSilverDragon Thu, Jul 8, 2010 7:37:28am |
re: #225 MandyManners
Not long ago, I was watching some cartoon with one of my nephews, about these kids that travelled through time, and some of the kids were from the future. Those kids would come back to our time to eat things like onion rings and french fries because they were outlawed in their time... apparently the writers for that show were on to something.
Nanny state. Two very depressing and scary words.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears Thu, Jul 8, 2010 7:37:40am |
re: #232 Cannadian Club Akbar
Buy filets. As far as cooking goes, I'll give you some ideas when I have more time, including pan seared scallops.
The "White House Challenge" Iron Chefs America episode was re-run this past weekend. One thing a chef did in a dish that had seared scallops in it was cut radish and sear it on one side to look like the scallops. I thought that was particularly clever.
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 8, 2010 7:37:50am |
re: #228 Ebetty
A couple of attempts. But the unsolicited emails from one of his women pretty much cured me. Quite loquacious an detailed. I've decided it's all a sad tale. I learned everything about what I don't want. His capability for emotional abuse is far and wide. I feel lucky to have escaped before I was so isolated I couldn't get back.
Thought about your divorce, the costs. I'm so in awe of your grace. Thanks for the kind words. I've been more productive at work this week than I have been in two months. Or maybe, it just doesn't seem as tough.
It wasn't all grace! At one point, I was on the divorce diet (nicotine, caffeine, Valium and a bit of food) and got down to about 95.
But, the biggest weight loss was 250 lbs. the day the court signed the final order.
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HAL2010 Thu, Jul 8, 2010 7:38:00am |
re: #233 Semper Fi
I always like to say...
"Money." You can't take it with you.
"Adventure." Those belong to you and do go with you.
Only adventure I've had is living in Libya, which doesn't really count. Or walking the coast to coast.
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 8, 2010 7:38:30am |
re: #234 HAL2010
I know I should, but then I think I will just buy some lamb or a roast instead and ignore the problem until I feel the craving again. I'm terribly lazy like that I'm afraid.
That's baaad.
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 8, 2010 7:40:14am |
re: #237 MrSilverDragon
Not long ago, I was watching some cartoon with one of my nephews, about these kids that travelled through time, and some of the kids were from the future. Those kids would come back to our time to eat things like onion rings and french fries because they were outlawed in their time... apparently the writers for that show were on to something.
Nanny state. Two very depressing and scary words.
The directive allows people to bring in their own sodas but, I wonder how much peer pressure will be brought to bear on those who choose to do so.
What's next? A vending machine filled with celery sticks, carrot sticks, granola bars and soy snacks but no Snickers?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jul 8, 2010 7:40:37am |
re: #236 thedopefishlives
This. Filets are not that hard to do. I've grilled them about three different ways and done pan-seared, fried, and even baked. Good stuff.
Fresh water perch, I bake. Red fish, I broil. Trout I cook in a frying pan.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Thu, Jul 8, 2010 7:40:48am |
re: #242 MandyManners
What's next? A vending machine filled with celery sticks, carrot sticks, granola bars and soy snacks but no Snickers?
Don't give them any ideas.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears Thu, Jul 8, 2010 7:41:29am |
re: #243 Cannadian Club Akbar
Fresh water perch, I bake. Red fish, I broil. Trout I cook in a frying pan.
drool... Corn-cob perch. One thing I miss from no longer living on the St. Lawrence River.
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 8, 2010 7:41:34am |
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Thu, Jul 8, 2010 7:41:40am |
re: #243 Cannadian Club Akbar
Fresh water perch, I bake. Red fish, I broil. Trout I cook in a frying pan.
I did breaded fried catfish filets for the Mrs. Fish once, since she'd never had any and I wanted to give her a taste of home. Usually we buy a huge honkin' salmon filet and I'll grill it on a cedar plank.
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HAL2010 Thu, Jul 8, 2010 7:42:52am |
re: #241 MandyManners
That's baaad.
Eating lamb?
But it tastes so good!
I've tried a few meats, lamb is one of my favourites. Others would include duck and a good joint of beef.
I've also eaten rabbit, pheasant and horse (salty) and pigeon (pheasant is tastier). I'm not really a fussy eater.
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researchok Thu, Jul 8, 2010 7:43:10am |
Those were the days, my friend...
The year 1952 was to prove a pivotal year for the House of Saud. One of King Abdullaziz's sons - Nasir - made an extended trip to America, and learned to appreciate wine, women and song. Upon his return to Saudi Arabia, his newly acquired tastes and skill in carousing continued with a series of orgies, famously involving men and women. The partying stopped abruptly one night, when the spirits consumed in vast amounts ended up killing seven, including women.
Nasier was imprisoned, of course but the consumption of alcohol remained legal. That was to remain the case until Nasir's libertine brother, Mishari, got himself drunk one night and went out and shot the British consul dead, and succeeded in seriously wounding his wife. From that date forward, Saudi Arabia went dry, preferring to ban alcohol than exercise self restraint. Excess, of course, is a Royal privilege. Women and whoring around were not to be excised from the menu of pleasures, of course. Orgies, rapes and pedophilia were in order, as long as they were exercised in a discreet manner. As the party went on, women were increasingly made a visible- and by design, showcased, as an example of Arab virtue. The Hijab (veil) and Abaya (long black dress/cloak) are modern expressions of Islam. There is no historical record of such dress.
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Obdicut Thu, Jul 8, 2010 7:43:24am |
re: #205 lawhawk
SF considering a ban on pet sales other than fish.
Oy.
A) The proposal doesn't ban sales of all pets other than fish, just sales in pet stores.
B) It's unlikely to pass, since the complaint isn't really valid.
Studies by UC Davis and the National Council on Pet Population Study and Policy have shown that only a small fraction of shelter animals were purchased at pet stores, he said. People who buy animals at pet stores are just as committed, emotionally and financially, to caring for their pets as people who procure pets elsewhere, he said.
C) San Franicsco does an amazing job, an incredibly good job, at placing dogs and cats from shelters. Maybe people could take a break from randomly bashing on San Francisco to notice what we do so very well, as well? I mean, it's right there in the article:
13% Percentage of dogs and cats at the San Francisco animal shelter that are euthanized, including aggressive, injured and sick animals.
35% Percentage of dogs and cats in shelters nationwide that are euthanized.
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MrSilverDragon Thu, Jul 8, 2010 7:43:31am |
re: #247 thedopefishlives
I did breaded fried catfish filets for the Mrs. Fish once, since she'd never had any and I wanted to give her a taste of home. Usually we buy a huge honkin' salmon filet and I'll grill it on a cedar plank.
You have successfully made me drool. Add a little homemade dill mustard, and I'd be in heaven.
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HAL2010 Thu, Jul 8, 2010 7:43:43am |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jul 8, 2010 7:44:17am |
re: #238 oaktree
The "White House Challenge" Iron Chefs America episode was re-run this past weekend. One thing a chef did in a dish that had seared scallops in it was cut radish and sear it on one side to look like the scallops. I thought that was particularly clever.
I pan sear them, mold rice in a shape, put the scallops around them and top with a citrus cream sauce. Finish the plate with freshly sauteed green beans topped with tomato concessa.
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MrSilverDragon Thu, Jul 8, 2010 7:46:02am |
re: #248 HAL2010
I've also eaten rabbit, pheasant and horse (salty) and pigeon (pheasant is tastier). I'm not really a fussy eater.
I've always liked alligator, although I know that's an acquired taste for some. It was a highlight for me on my last trip to New Orleans, that and a bowl of perfectly seasoned turtle soup, with just enough bite to let you know it meant business when you tasted it.
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lawhawk Thu, Jul 8, 2010 7:46:12am |
MSNBC is reporting that this is going to be an 11 for 11 swap.
Relatives of Sutyagin, a nuclear researcher serving a 14-year sentence for spying for the United States, said he had told them he was going to be one of 11 convicted spies in Russia who would be freed in exchange for 11 people charged by the United States with being Russian agents.Speculation swirled around the possible swap even as Russian and U.S. officials refused to directly comment on any possible exchange.
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spare o'lake Thu, Jul 8, 2010 7:46:24am |
re: #127 Killgore Trout
I'm pretty sure I pulled a muscle in my abdomen in a marathon weeding session. I really hope it's not a hernia. I can't afford a hernia.
I have often pulled a muscle in my abdomen and it has never been a hernia.
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Ebetty Thu, Jul 8, 2010 7:46:25am |
re: #239 MandyManners
Love it. The 250 pound loss after the court order was signed. Amen. Amen.
So far my diet consists of little more than water. Every time I go to eat something, I just get nauseous. I've gained weight during this relationship, so now I'm running again and will get back to normal. But wow, down to 95 - that's scary girl!! Great that you're so strong and happy now. Setting an example of strength. All a girl could ask for.
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 8, 2010 7:46:40am |
re: #248 HAL2010
Eating lamb?
But it tastes so good!
I've tried a few meats, lamb is one of my favourites. Others would include duck and a good joint of beef.I've also eaten rabbit, pheasant and horse (salty) and pigeon (pheasant is tastier). I'm not really a fussy eater.
*whinny*
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HAL2010 Thu, Jul 8, 2010 7:46:42am |
re: #254 MrSilverDragon
I've always liked alligator, although I know that's an acquired taste for some. It was a highlight for me on my last trip to New Orleans, that and a bowl of perfectly seasoned turtle soup, with just enough bite to let you know it meant business when you tasted it.
Nice!
What does alligator taste like?
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Thu, Jul 8, 2010 7:47:16am |
re: #254 MrSilverDragon
I've always liked alligator, although I know that's an acquired taste for some. It was a highlight for me on my last trip to New Orleans, that and a bowl of perfectly seasoned turtle soup, with just enough bite to let you know it meant business when you tasted it.
One of the ubiquitous Minnesota "things" is fried on a stick. It seems to be something we're known for, especially at the State Fair, where you can find literally just about anything either fried, on a stick, or both. Alligator is one; I tried it a coupla years back, and while I can't say I was enthusiastic about it, it certainly wasn't bad.
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HAL2010 Thu, Jul 8, 2010 7:48:41am |
re: #260 thedopefishlives
One of the ubiquitous Minnesota "things" is fried on a stick. It seems to be something we're known for, especially at the State Fair, where you can find literally just about anything either fried, on a stick, or both. Alligator is one; I tried it a coupla years back, and while I can't say I was enthusiastic about it, it certainly wasn't bad.
Fried things on a stick?
They took the advice from There is Something About Mary seriously then?
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lawhawk Thu, Jul 8, 2010 7:49:10am |
re: #250 Obdicut
Well, that's good to hear - a) that the proposal isn't likely to pass, b) the situation isn't as bad as the headline or article intends, and c) the shelters don't euthanize animals to the same degree as others nationally.
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MrSilverDragon Thu, Jul 8, 2010 7:49:44am |
re: #259 HAL2010
Nice!
What does alligator taste like?
From my experience, when you first bite it, it's like chicken. However, when you chew and swallow, it converts to a fish like taste. It was fabulous!
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jul 8, 2010 7:51:18am |
Alright. I just ate a large breakfast. That can only mean 1 thing. NAP TIME!! bbiab.
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 8, 2010 7:51:27am |
re: #257 Ebetty
Love it. The 250 pound loss after the court order was signed. Amen. Amen.
So far my diet consists of little more than water. Every time I go to eat something, I just get nauseous. I've gained weight during this relationship, so now I'm running again and will get back to normal. But wow, down to 95 - that's scary girl!! Great that you're so strong and happy now. Setting an example of strength. All a girl could ask for.
My normal weight is around 107 lbs. so that much loss was worrisome.
I'm no expert but, I'd reconsider running until my appetite returned if I were you. Have you thought about making a doctor's appointment to get a physical?
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HAL2010 Thu, Jul 8, 2010 7:52:33am |
re: #264 MrSilverDragon
From my experience, when you first bite it, it's like chicken. However, when you chew and swallow, it converts to a fish like taste. It was fabulous!
Sounds pretty amazing, I will have to try it when I visit the south. For some reason or another, finding a good stockist of alligator meat in the north of England is exceedingly difficult.
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Semper Fi Thu, Jul 8, 2010 7:55:15am |
re: #228 Ebetty
So, you're more productive at work now. That's a very good sign. So many things in life seem a process. Getting back into "your" life is very important.
Also, making one or two changes, like doing something new that always interested me, served to accelerate the process. Example: though living in LA area I bought a horse. Best thing I ever did. It opened so many doors.
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darthstar Thu, Jul 8, 2010 7:56:46am |
From the "funny things to say in unfunny situations" department. One of my wife's friends rear-ended someone during her commute this morning, and facebooked about it, saying, "you know how some situations just kind of get out of control? Well, the other driver got out of his car, and he was a dwarf. He stormed over, looked up at my window, and shouted, "I AM NOT HAPPY!" So I said, "Well, then, which one ARE you?" That's when the fight started."
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spare o'lake Thu, Jul 8, 2010 7:57:23am |
re: #264 MrSilverDragon
From my experience, when you first bite it, it's like chicken. However, when you chew and swallow, it converts to a fish like taste. It was fabulous!
Alligator Pie
Dennis Lee
From: Alligator Pie. Toronto: Macmillan, 1974.
Alligator pie, alligator pie,
If I don't get some I think I'm gonna die.
Give away the green grass, give away the sky,
But don't give away my alligator pie.
Alligator stew, alligator stew,
If I don't get some I don't know what I'll do.
Give away my furry hat, give away my shoe,
But don't give away my alligator stew.
Alligator soup, alligator soup,
If I don't get some I think I'm gonna droop.
Give away my hockey stick, give away my hoop,
But don't give away my alligator soup.
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HAL2010 Thu, Jul 8, 2010 7:57:34am |
re: #269 darthstar
From the "funny things to say in unfunny situations" department. One of my wife's friends rear-ended someone during her commute this morning, and facebooked about it, saying, "you know how some situations just kind of get out of control? Well, the other driver got out of his car, and he was a dwarf. He stormed over, looked up at my window, and shouted, "I AM NOT HAPPY!" So I said, "Well, then, which one ARE you?" That's when the fight started."
I am afraid to admit it, but I did lol.
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Semper Fi Thu, Jul 8, 2010 7:59:02am |
re: #240 HAL2010
Only adventure I've had is living in Libya, which doesn't really count. Or walking the coast to coast.
Sounds good to me.
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Ebetty Thu, Jul 8, 2010 7:59:22am |
re: #266 MandyManners
Wow, is a big loss on such a tiny frame. Scary.
I have a doctor's appointment today. We spoke yesterday, he wants me to take it easy. Instead of sleepless nights though, I've done nothing BUT sleep. I feel upside down. But each day gets better, I do feel free. Just keeping myself tough and happy on the outside until I feel that way inside. Mostly, I am completely grateful that while I may be another notch on his belt, I'm never going to be a statistic.
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 8, 2010 8:01:50am |
re: #273 Ebetty
Wow, is a big loss on such a tiny frame. Scary.
I have a doctor's appointment today. We spoke yesterday, he wants me to take it easy. Instead of sleepless nights though, I've done nothing BUT sleep. I feel upside down. But each day gets better, I do feel free. Just keeping myself tough and happy on the outside until I feel that way inside. Mostly, I am completely grateful that while I may be another notch on his belt, I'm never going to be a statistic.
Fake it until you make it!
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Radicchio ad Absurdum Thu, Jul 8, 2010 8:02:26am |
re: #254 MrSilverDragon
I've always liked alligator, although I know that's an acquired taste for some. It was a highlight for me on my last trip to New Orleans, that and a bowl of perfectly seasoned turtle soup, with just enough bite to let you know it meant business when you tasted it.
Snapping Turtle I presume?
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears Thu, Jul 8, 2010 8:05:26am |
re: #259 HAL2010
Nice!
What does alligator taste like?
I had it once. But it was "cajun"* seasoned so heavily that it was hard to tell what exactly it was supposed to taste like. Had a consistency like very dense chicken breast meat. (I think it was a tail cut.)
* - In quotes since this was from a bar/restaurant in western NY state and I have no idea what sort of training the chef had in terms of fixing alligator or cajun/blackened style dishes.
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Ebetty Thu, Jul 8, 2010 8:05:34am |
re: #274 MandyManners
Yep! I'm solid though. Friends and family, lots of love and support. I love my job, have a roof over my head, shoes under my feet. Oh wait, now I'm singing Darius Rucker. Must be better!
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darthstar Thu, Jul 8, 2010 8:07:30am |
I'd like to find the fucker who put the dog in that canyon in the first place.
Kudos to this guy, however.
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 8, 2010 8:07:34am |
The actual questions sent out at midday Wednesday remain under wraps. The Pentagon confirmed the authenticity of the draft copy but said it is an earlier version, and refused to spell out what it described as “substantial” changes.
“We want the service members to have the opportunity to open it and read it before they read it in the press,” said Pentagon spokeswoman Cynthia Smith.
But if the draft version is any guide, the general tone of the survey questions — developed by the independent research group Westat in cooperation with the Pentagon — leans toward the potential impact that repealing “don’t ask, don’t tell” might have on unit performance.
SNIP
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MrSilverDragon Thu, Jul 8, 2010 8:12:04am |
re: #260 thedopefishlives
One of the ubiquitous Minnesota "things" is fried on a stick. It seems to be something we're known for, especially at the State Fair, where you can find literally just about anything either fried, on a stick, or both. Alligator is one; I tried it a coupla years back, and while I can't say I was enthusiastic about it, it certainly wasn't bad.
I still can't get over "Fried Butter". I have to believe that it was invented by cardiologists to boost their business... or at least someone very bored.
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Ebetty Thu, Jul 8, 2010 8:14:38am |
re: #268 Semper Fi
What a great idea. I wouldn't even know where to start. It's like trying to breathe jello right now. Getting my legs back underneath me, enjoying the quiet solitude. I love horses, what a great idea. LA is my backyard, there are lots of horsey-types. Have a client in Rancho Santa Fe down near San Diego. They've got horses and are always asking me over. I should definitely take them up on it.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Thu, Jul 8, 2010 8:15:00am |
re: #281 MrSilverDragon
I still can't get over "Fried Butter". I have to believe that it was invented by cardiologists to boost their business... or at least someone very bored.
Fried Twinkie on a Stick.
Yes, it exists. Yes, it's a heart attack waiting to happen. I actually don't like them that much, ironically enough.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Jul 8, 2010 8:16:21am |
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Ebetty Thu, Jul 8, 2010 8:16:22am |
re: #283 thedopefishlives
Fried Twinkie on a stick = Teh Awesome. (and a heart attack for sure!)
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Vicious Babushka Thu, Jul 8, 2010 8:17:34am |
re: #285 Ebetty
Fried Twinkie on a stick = Teh Awesome. (and a heart attack for sure!)
Fried Twinkie on a stick with a Snickers bar inside.
/never tried it, never wanted to
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Ebetty Thu, Jul 8, 2010 8:17:39am |
Alrighty. story boards await. Graphic designer is here. Time to run a concept meeting. Later, all. Thanks again, Mandy. You are a champion! (& to Semper Fi, and everyone else.)
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 8, 2010 8:17:48am |
re: #284 Mad Al-Jaffee
Only for decaf!
Why not take a shower in a dive-suit? Drink two per cent beer?
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Ebetty Thu, Jul 8, 2010 8:19:02am |
re: #286 Alouette
Woah. I think I need heart meds just THINKING about that! Queue Fred Sanford!
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Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Jul 8, 2010 8:20:02am |
re: #270 spare o'lake
There's a Screamin' Jay Hakwinks song called Alligator Wine.
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abolitionist Thu, Jul 8, 2010 8:20:03am |
re: #78 MandyManners
The Kid caught a blue lizard (skink?) yesterday and I'm at a loss on what to feed it. Any ideas?
Does it look like this one? Picture
Gorgona Blues: One of world's only pure blue lizards at risk of extinction
Male blue anole on Gorgona. Photo by Thomas Marent.
Thomas Marent (www.thomasmarent.com), a world renowned photographer visited Gorgona specifically to photograph the blue anole. It took him four days to find one, which was promptly eaten by a Basilisk after he had taken just two pictures.
Lizard food - I suppose almost anything you find moving under a rock or log will do. Lizards may require mineral supplements, such as calcium carbonate. (Could hammer some sea shells or a piece of chalk to dust, or visit a pet store.) Put a bit of the dust in a baggie, along with some of the lizard food, shake, and serve.
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Semper Fi Thu, Jul 8, 2010 8:20:08am |
re: #282 Ebetty
I'm so glad that reminded you of an opportunity. Life is good.
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lawhawk Thu, Jul 8, 2010 8:20:10am |
re: #285 Ebetty
These guys in Brooklyn will deep fry pretty much anything- and they do a pretty damned good fish and chips. Oh, and they "invented" the fried twinkie.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Jul 8, 2010 8:22:13am |
re: #242 MandyManners
The directive allows people to bring in their own sodas but, I wonder how much peer pressure will be brought to bear on those who choose to do so.
What's next? A vending machine filled with celery sticks, carrot sticks, granola bars and soy snacks but no Snickers?
In school? Absolutely.
You know me - i'm on here mocking the "sodium police" at every turn. But when my kids are in school, i.e. out of my parenting reach, removing their options for misstep is a wonderful idea.
(and good morning!)
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 8, 2010 8:25:02am |
re: #292 abolitionist
His tail is iridescent blue and the adults around here loose their tales when scared.
Thanks for the feeding advice. We'll have to go with the chalk or pet store stuff 'cause we have no shells.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Thu, Jul 8, 2010 8:25:52am |
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Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Jul 8, 2010 8:26:21am |
re: #286 Alouette
Fried Twinkie on a stick with a Snickers bar inside.
/never tried it, never wanted to
Smoked/fried hot dog, smothered in chopped smoked brisket.
[Link: www.washingtoncitypaper.com...]
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MrSilverDragon Thu, Jul 8, 2010 8:26:27am |
re: #291 Mad Al-Jaffee
There's a Screamin' Jay Hakwinks song called Alligator Wine.
I'm not so sure I'd want "fermented alligator" anything... yuck.
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Ericus58 Thu, Jul 8, 2010 8:26:46am |
re: #280 MandyManners
As I've said before, in the years I served both on Active and Reserve duty, this was not an issue.
Respect and unit effectiveness went hand-in-hand. I served along side and led gay members. When everyone understood that performance and contributions of a service member was what qualities made them valued, their motivation went up. And when other in the unit saw the value in having a gay member part of their unit, their appreciation of them as an individual also went up. It was a win-win.
People contribute when they are valued. Doesn't matter what your sexual orientation is (and yes, this would apply to political and religious beliefs also). Now, it wasn't all unicorns and butterflies to be sure for all - but it was possible through using Leadership examples.
Service folks will do anything for those they serve with, if they know that that other guy or gal will be there for them through thick and thin. We serve not just for our country, but for those who serve along side us. And sometimes, we put ourselves in harm's way because of those we serve with.
Just my humble opinion.
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Interesting Times Thu, Jul 8, 2010 8:26:53am |
re: #286 Alouette
Fried Twinkie on a stick with a Snickers bar inside.
/never tried it, never wanted to
I'll see your Fried Twinkie on a stick and raise you one of these...
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 8, 2010 8:27:48am |
re: #295 Aceofwhat?
In school? Absolutely.
You know me - i'm on here mocking the "sodium police" at every turn. But when my kids are in school, i.e. out of my parenting reach, removing their options for misstep is a wonderful idea.
(and good morning!)
I have no problem with the restrictions at public schools but, this directive applies to all city buildings, even those swith only adults working.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Jul 8, 2010 8:28:42am |
re: #300 MrSilverDragon
I'm not so sure I'd want "fermented alligator" anything... yuck.
It's a really good song.
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Ericus58 Thu, Jul 8, 2010 8:30:20am |
re: #295 Aceofwhat?
In school? Absolutely.
You know me - i'm on here mocking the "sodium police" at every turn. But when my kids are in school, i.e. out of my parenting reach, removing their options for misstep is a wonderful idea.
(and good morning!)
Regulating the types of food allowed in the public schools is quite acceptable - heck, I would expect it.
Adults working in City offices - not so much.
You can have my snickers when you pry it from my clammy hands while I lay on the gurney at the ER.... and make that deep fried please!
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Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Jul 8, 2010 8:31:40am |
re: #294 lawhawk
These guys in Brooklyn will deep fry pretty much anything- and they do a pretty damned good fish and chips. Oh, and they "invented" the fried twinkie.
I think I saw them on a Food Network (or maye Travel Channel) show.
It was either that place or one in Edinburgh that deep fries pizza.
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 8, 2010 8:32:59am |
The Geneva-based Human Rights Council probe, created by a council resolution on June 2, less than 48 hours after the incident itself, still has neither leadership nor members.
SNIP
Is Richard Goldstone busy? Desmond Travers?
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Semper Fi Thu, Jul 8, 2010 8:33:09am |
Have a nice day everyone. Time to do some grocery shopping and complete a few errands.
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Vicious Babushka Thu, Jul 8, 2010 8:34:00am |
re: #308 Semper Fi
Have a nice day everyone. Time to do some grocery shopping and complete a few errands.
Don't remind me.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Jul 8, 2010 8:39:36am |
I know it's been posted here before, but I have to bring it up again. Alvin Greene's stimulus plan is one of the most bizarre and amazing things I've heard in a while.
You know, for kids:
[Link: gawker.com...]
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lawhawk Thu, Jul 8, 2010 8:51:19am |
A European court has decided that a US Supermax prison would be cruel and inhuman punishment for convicted terrorist Abu Hamza, who is currently in a British prison. It's therefore blocked extradition to the US where Hamza and others would stand trial for terrorism related activities. The US has been trying to get him extradited since 2004, and the Europeans have blocked extradition.
"The issue the court wants to decide is whether the conditions in the U.S. prison are so draconian it amounts to inhumane conditions. It all hangs on supermax prisons," Muddassar Arani told the Guardian.
So far, the Europeans have bought into it.
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Obdicut Thu, Jul 8, 2010 8:51:20am |
re: #301 Ericus58
Thank you for sharing that very thoughtful and well-written opinion.
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Obdicut Thu, Jul 8, 2010 8:55:23am |
re: #312 lawhawk
We do badly need prison reform. Very badly. However, ironically, the reason why the Supermax prisons keep them in isolation for so much of the day is to reduce the amount of violence, not really to punish them further. If he was sent to a less-regulated US prison, he'd be killed.
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 8, 2010 8:56:10am |
re: #314 Obdicut
We do badly need prison reform. Very badly. However, ironically, the reason why the Supermax prisons keep them in isolation for so much of the day is to reduce the amount of violence, not really to punish them further. If he was sent to a less-regulated US prison, he'd be killed.
Or, he'd be able to preach hatred.
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abolitionist Thu, Jul 8, 2010 8:59:51am |
re: #296 MandyManners
His tail is iridescent blue and the adults around here loose their tales when scared.
Thanks for the feeding advice. We'll have to go with the chalk or pet store stuff 'cause we have no shells.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Jul 8, 2010 8:59:53am |
re: #303 MandyManners
I have no problem with the restrictions at public schools but, this directive applies to all city buildings, even those swith only adults working.
Oh. Well that's just stupid.
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lawhawk Thu, Jul 8, 2010 9:00:10am |
re: #314 Obdicut
Prison reform is needed, but the Europeans appear willing to let this guy go free rather than see him incarcerated in the US where he could do no further harm. His sentence is almost up in the UK - and if the European court holds things up and prevents extradition, he's gonna walk.
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Obdicut Thu, Jul 8, 2010 9:00:20am |
re: #315 MandyManners
Or, he'd be able to preach hatred.
He can preach hatred from isolation, as well. He can write whatever he wants and send it out into the broader world and get it published. But in general population, he'd get killed. We are unable to guarantee the safety of prisoners, it's one of the largest failures of our prison system.
This part I found in another story is problematic, though:
Human Rights Watch, the New York-based rights group, has said the prison's conditions violate U.S. international treaty obligations.
If that's true, it's very unlikely extradition will ever occur if the destination is a Supermax prison.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Jul 8, 2010 9:01:35am |
It's 57 degrees (f) in Denver right now... up hill here... it's 55 degrees (f)... I think some of that "cool" is headed north east.
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Obdicut Thu, Jul 8, 2010 9:01:44am |
re: #318 lawhawk
Prison reform is needed, but the Europeans appear willing to let this guy go free rather than see him incarcerated in the US where he could do no further harm. His sentence is almost up in the UK - and if the European court holds things up and prevents extradition, he's gonna walk.
It's not as simple as that, though. You might as well say that the US is willing to see him walk rather than incarcerate him in a 'normal' prison.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Jul 8, 2010 9:03:16am |
re: #311 Mad Al-Jaffee
I know it's been posted here before, but I have to bring it up again. Alvin Greene's stimulus plan is one of the most bizarre and amazing things I've heard in a while.
You know, for kids:
[Link: gawker.com...]
that guy is single-handedly poised to double the fun of the upcoming elections...he's like the doublemint twins, only much uglier, and single...
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ReamWorks SKG Thu, Jul 8, 2010 9:03:57am |
Good AM! I'm off to start another productive day!
I'm in a great mood because I just booked another vacation--a 9 day tour--of Israel for Spring 2011, lots of interesting things on the Itinerary this time 2 Nights in Tel Aviv, two in Hatzor, and the rest based in Jerusalem, with side trips to Qumram, etc.
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Obdicut Thu, Jul 8, 2010 9:05:27am |
Wait a second, this story says the ADX Florence complaint doesn't apply to him:
"Their complaints under Article 3 concerning the stringency of conditions there for what could be the rest of their lives (raises) serious questions of fact and law of such complexity that the Court (has) to examine them on their merits," said the judges.
In the case of Abu Hamza, however, the complaint about ADX Florence did not apply, "as he would at most risk spending a short period of time there and only until such time as his state of health was assessed".
What the court is actually considering for Hamza is this:
But the concerns about the "supermax" prison ADX Florence remained regarding three of the men, and all four were covered by another question the Human Rights judges wanted to consider further - does the Eight Amendment to the US Constitution (prohibition of "cruel and unusual punishment") give the equivalent protection to Article 3 of the European Human Rights Convention?
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Jul 8, 2010 9:05:39am |
re: #316 abolitionist
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
yeah, it's probably a Plestiodon, right?
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lawhawk Thu, Jul 8, 2010 9:05:43am |
re: #319 Obdicut
HRW opposes supermax as a general principle, claiming it is cruel and inhumane punishment and that the prisons restrict educational and recreational activities. They further claim that many assigned to Supermax do not meet the criteria necessary for being assigned there (generally requiring incorrigibly violent or dangerous inmates - as per HRW).
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 8, 2010 9:06:00am |
re: #316 abolitionist
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
Yes, it's a blue-tailed skink.
Thanks for the additional information. I've sent the links to The Kid.
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 8, 2010 9:06:19am |
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Obdicut Thu, Jul 8, 2010 9:06:48am |
re: #327 lawhawk
See my 325. The Supermax argument isn't being considered for Hamza, just the treaty obligations.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Jul 8, 2010 9:06:49am |
re: #323 Aceofwhat?
that guy is single-handedly poised to double the fun of the upcoming elections...he's like the doublemint twins, only much uglier, and single...
I really hope he agrees to some debates and they're on tv.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Jul 8, 2010 9:07:14am |
re: #325 Obdicut
huh. that made my eyes roll. you?
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 8, 2010 9:07:38am |
re: #319 Obdicut
If that's true, it's very unlikely extradition will ever occur if the destination is a Supermax prison.
Well, that's on them. It might just bite them in the butt one day.
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Obdicut Thu, Jul 8, 2010 9:12:37am |
re: #332 Aceofwhat?
huh. that made my eyes roll. you?
Not really.
We have a really, really bad problem with prison and incarceration. We imprison a larger percentage of our population than any other country. It's a serious problem that no one has addressed for a very long time, and it's not getting any better. It's a stain on the United States, and we shouldn't be surprised when other countries point it out as a reason that they're loathe to extradite people to the United States.
In addition, the claim here is that the European nations would be violating their own treaty obligations that they're signatory to if they were to do so; treaty obligations are rather important, and violating them really is a big deal.
I doubt that the end result will be the prisoners simply going free.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Jul 8, 2010 9:16:44am |
re: #328 MandyManners
Yes, it's a blue-tailed skink.
Thanks for the additional information. I've sent the links to The Kid.
they're really pretty easy, although unlike some other lizards IIRC, they don't like being handled very much. they can't bite hard enough to hurt you, though.
just tell the Kid to keep throwing all kinds of bugs in the terrarium until he figures out which ones are its favorites.
my kids keep asking me to catch an anole for them to keep; they're everywhere here in Jacksonville. problem is, lizards of all kinds carry salmonella so tell the Kid that rules #1, 2, 3 and 4 are to wash the HELL out of his hands and any other body part that comes in contact with it.
other than that, they're easy and cheap (as long as the Kid hunts for its food on a continual basis!)
just my .02
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Fozzie Bear Thu, Jul 8, 2010 9:16:52am |
re: #334 Obdicut
It's also incredibly expensive to incarcerate such a large portion of the population.
The US prison system is an utter failure by every measure except escapes. We manage to keep them in. However, recidivism is very high, violence inside prisons extremely prevalent, and rape rampant.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Jul 8, 2010 9:17:00am |
re: #334 Obdicut
Not really.
We have a really, really bad problem with prison and incarceration. We imprison a larger percentage of our population than any other country. It's a serious problem that no one has addressed for a very long time, and it's not getting any better. It's a stain on the United States, and we shouldn't be surprised when other countries point it out as a reason that they're loathe to extradite people to the United States.
In addition, the claim here is that the European nations would be violating their own treaty obligations that they're signatory to if they were to do so; treaty obligations are rather important, and violating them really is a big deal.
I doubt that the end result will be the prisoners simply going free.
Right... like the Lockerbie guy didn't go free after they dropped him off...
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darthstar Thu, Jul 8, 2010 9:17:21am |
Secret code inside the logo of US Cyber Command.
The command's fancy logo contains a super-secret code in its inner gold ring: 9ec4c12949a4f31474f299058ce2b22a.
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Obdicut Thu, Jul 8, 2010 9:17:38am |
re: #335 Aceofwhat?
My wife adores lizards of all types. We saw some great ones in our trip up to Big Sur.
I like it when they do their little pushups routine.
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 8, 2010 9:17:46am |
re: #335 Aceofwhat?
they're really pretty easy, although unlike some other lizards IIRC, they don't like being handled very much. they can't bite hard enough to hurt you, though.
just tell the Kid to keep throwing all kinds of bugs in the terrarium until he figures out which ones are its favorites.
my kids keep asking me to catch an anole for them to keep; they're everywhere here in Jacksonville. problem is, lizards of all kinds carry salmonella so tell the Kid that rules #1, 2, 3 and 4 are to wash the HELL out of his hands and any other body part that comes in contact with it.
other than that, they're easy and cheap (as long as the Kid hunts for its food on a continual basis!)
just my .02
Yeah, I've been onto him about not touching it a lot and to wash his hands.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Jul 8, 2010 9:17:48am |
re: #334 Obdicut
no, i meant whether our constitution will suffice to prevent the prisoners from undergoing a Russian-style welcome and stay within our borders.
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Vicious Babushka Thu, Jul 8, 2010 9:19:20am |
re: #324 reuven
Good AM! I'm off to start another productive day!
I'm in a great mood because I just booked another vacation--a 9 day tour--of Israel for Spring 2011, lots of interesting things on the Itinerary this time 2 Nights in Tel Aviv, two in Hatzor, and the rest based in Jerusalem, with side trips to Qumram, etc.
Nesia tova!
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Obdicut Thu, Jul 8, 2010 9:19:34am |
re: #341 Aceofwhat?
no, i meant whether our constitution will suffice to prevent the prisoners from undergoing a Russian-style welcome and stay within our borders.
I'm sorry, I don't really know what you mean. The complaint is that we do not provide the level of protection for prisoners that the European treaty does, and so handing those prisoners over to us for incarceration would be a violation of their treaty. I'm not sure where Russia enters into it.
As I said: We have a disgrace of a prison system. That is why this problem is occurring, not because the Europeans are being snotty. Our prison system really is a completely fucking mess.
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Fozzie Bear Thu, Jul 8, 2010 9:20:16am |
re: #335 Aceofwhat?
Bearded dragons ftw.
If you want a lizard that is friendly, they are as good as it gets.
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 8, 2010 9:21:48am |
"It could be a grudge, it could be competition-based or it could be an act of vandalism by a couple of young hoons we can't rule that out either," said Townsville detective Dave Miles.
The damaged crops also included capsicums, pumpkins, melons, aubergines and courgettes due to be harvested and transported across Australia and to New Zealand and Vanuatu in the coming months.
SNIP
I could just cry.
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Obdicut Thu, Jul 8, 2010 9:22:35am |
I shouldn't blame the prison system alone, by the way: I strongly feel that having judges and DAs be elected positions, and those positions serve as a springboard for political careers, is a terrible fucking idea, and it's one of the things that leads to the high incarceration rate. If I could change one thing about the structure of American politics, I'd change that one.
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Fozzie Bear Thu, Jul 8, 2010 9:23:07am |
re: #345 MandyManners
That's just evil. That's going to make alot of people's lives more difficult, and for what?
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 8, 2010 9:24:19am |
re: #347 Fozzie Bear
That's just evil. That's going to make alot of people's lives more difficult, and for what?
Yes, it is evil. I have no idea what could be the motivation.
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Fozzie Bear Thu, Jul 8, 2010 9:26:47am |
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Jul 8, 2010 9:28:14am |
re: #339 Obdicut
My wife adores lizards of all types. We saw some great ones in our trip up to Big Sur.
I like it when they do their little pushups routine.
We have a cuban brown anole who loves our wicker chair in our backyard...you can see him through the sliding glass window every day, doing pushups and expanding his dewlap like a pimp.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Jul 8, 2010 9:29:59am |
re: #343 Obdicut
I'm sorry, I don't really know what you mean. The complaint is that we do not provide the level of protection for prisoners that the European treaty does, and so handing those prisoners over to us for incarceration would be a violation of their treaty. I'm not sure where Russia enters into it.
As i read your post, they are concerned that our constitutional wards against "cruel and unusual punishment" are insufficient for their sensitivities. Was that not how to accurately paraphrase that paragraph you pasted above?
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McSpiff Thu, Jul 8, 2010 9:31:15am |
re: #346 Obdicut
I shouldn't blame the prison system alone, by the way: I strongly feel that having judges and DAs be elected positions, and those positions serve as a springboard for political careers, is a terrible fucking idea, and it's one of the things that leads to the high incarceration rate. If I could change one thing about the structure of American politics, I'd change that one.
As someone from outside of the US, this makes no sense to me. I've seen no benefits to it and plenty of downsides.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Jul 8, 2010 9:31:29am |
re: #346 Obdicut
I shouldn't blame the prison system alone, by the way: I strongly feel that having judges and DAs be elected positions, and those positions serve as a springboard for political careers, is a terrible fucking idea, and it's one of the things that leads to the high incarceration rate. If I could change one thing about the structure of American politics, I'd change that one.
who should appoint them?
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lawhawk Thu, Jul 8, 2010 9:32:55am |
OT:
The Bulls win again (and no - this isn't the Lebron sweepstakes): 2 gored, 5 trampled in today's running of the bulls in Pamplona.
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ryannon Thu, Jul 8, 2010 9:33:00am |
re: #78 MandyManners
The Kid caught a blue lizard (skink?) yesterday and I'm at a loss on what to feed it. Any ideas?
Barbecued Troll?
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McSpiff Thu, Jul 8, 2010 9:33:40am |
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 8, 2010 9:34:32am |
re: #349 Fozzie Bear
Preach it!!!
re: #348 MandyManners
Stuff like that makes me SO angry. I imagine the motivation would be profit. If you grow tomatoes as well, and suddenly the price of tomatoes spikes because half the supply disappears, you stand to make a lot of money from something like this.
Instead of raising a better tomato and having a better marketing plan.
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Fozzie Bear Thu, Jul 8, 2010 9:34:47am |
re: #353 Aceofwhat?
who should appoint them?
In many places, they are appointed by elected officials to fixed terms overlapping the election cycle.
Judges and DA's should *NOT* be people who are concerned with re-election. It is asking for corruption.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears Thu, Jul 8, 2010 9:35:09am |
re: #335 Aceofwhat?
they're really pretty easy, although unlike some other lizards IIRC, they don't like being handled very much. they can't bite hard enough to hurt you, though.
just tell the Kid to keep throwing all kinds of bugs in the terrarium until he figures out which ones are its favorites.
my kids keep asking me to catch an anole for them to keep; they're everywhere here in Jacksonville. problem is, lizards of all kinds carry salmonella so tell the Kid that rules #1, 2, 3 and 4 are to wash the HELL out of his hands and any other body part that comes in contact with it.
other than that, they're easy and cheap (as long as the Kid hunts for its food on a continual basis!)
just my .02
And keep the cat away from it...
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Fozzie Bear Thu, Jul 8, 2010 9:35:28am |
re: #357 MandyManners
Instead of raising a better tomato and having a better marketing plan.
Sick as it is, it is much cheaper and more effective to just torch half the supply.
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 8, 2010 9:35:30am |
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lawhawk Thu, Jul 8, 2010 9:36:14am |
re: #346 Obdicut
In favor of elections - it means that the judges and DAs are held accountable by the people they claim to serve and represent.
I've seen both sides of this - where DAs prosecute cases because of election considerations - the Duke non-rape case comes to mind.
The alternative is what then? An unelected commission that determines DA and judges? It's done in some parts of the country.
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 8, 2010 9:36:54am |
re: #360 Fozzie Bear
Sick as it is, it is much cheaper and more effective to just torch half the supply.
Only until your butt is busted.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears Thu, Jul 8, 2010 9:37:16am |
Though, by bringing another sporting device into the house Mandy and The Kid have probably gotten an upding on their next Feline Overlord Evaluation.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Jul 8, 2010 9:37:25am |
re: #344 Fozzie Bear
Bearded dragons ftw.
If you want a lizard that is friendly, they are as good as it gets.
yeah, those are cool. i simply doubt my kids' ability to care for it, and our chihuahua already requires more of my time than i bargained for with my wife...
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McSpiff Thu, Jul 8, 2010 9:37:48am |
re: #362 lawhawk
Why can't the committee be elected? Hell, make it a house committee.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Jul 8, 2010 9:38:43am |
re: #354 lawhawk
OT:
The Bulls win again (and no - this isn't the Lebron sweepstakes): 2 gored, 5 trampled in today's running of the bulls in Pamplona.
is it mean that i think of Darwin every time Pamplona weekend arrives?
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abolitionist Thu, Jul 8, 2010 9:39:31am |
Seven cool pics - Bizarre deep sea creatures found
The scientists believe some of the colourful and transparent creatures could provide the missing evolutionary link between backboned and invertebrate animals.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Jul 8, 2010 9:40:10am |
re: #366 McSpiff
Why can't the committee be elected? Hell, make it a house committee.
how does that make it less political again? now the concern is the judge or DA being too worried about how their actions will affect a smaller number of voters...is that such an improvement over their worrying about a larger number of voters?
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What, me worry? Thu, Jul 8, 2010 9:40:19am |
re: #362 lawhawk
In favor of elections - it means that the judges and DAs are held accountable by the people they claim to serve and represent.
I've seen both sides of this - where DAs prosecute cases because of election considerations - the Duke non-rape case comes to mind.
The alternative is what then? An unelected commission that determines DA and judges? It's done in some parts of the country.
The problem with elections, though, is no one knows who they're voting for. I've worked in the legal field 30 years and I have no clue. A layperson knows less. I've stopped voting on judges. I used to use the yardstick of women and Jews first (I know, I'm horrible....) but that was awful, too. I favor appointments.
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Fozzie Bear Thu, Jul 8, 2010 9:41:10am |
re: #362 lawhawk
Having seen the results of both ways of doing things... I vastly prefer a system of appointments to elected DA's.
The DA for the county I live in is more concerned with getting flattering press coverage than he is with anything resembling fairness. He is, of course, constantly running for office, rather than just doing his fob without consideration for how it will play in the papers.
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ryannon Thu, Jul 8, 2010 9:41:51am |
re: #105 Ericus58
Super squid sex organ discovered
[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]
"The mating habits of deep-sea squid have been revealed for the first time, after the discovery of a male squid with a huge elongated and erect penis.
The male squid's sexual organ is almost as long as its whole body, including the squid's mantle, head and arms.
That shows how male deep-sea squid inseminate females; they use their huge penis to shoot out packages of sperm, injecting them into the female's body.
The discovery may also help explain how giant squid mate in the ocean depths. "
IT'S BIGGER THAN HIS HEAD!!
RUN!!
Could be big money in squid porno flicks.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Jul 8, 2010 9:41:58am |
re: #368 abolitionist
Seven cool pics - Bizarre deep sea creatures found
The scientists believe some of the colourful and transparent creatures could provide the missing evolutionary link between backboned and invertebrate animals.
We already saw them in "The Abyss."
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What, me worry? Thu, Jul 8, 2010 9:41:59am |
re: #365 Aceofwhat?
yeah, those are cool. i simply doubt my kids' ability to care for it, and our chihuahua already requires more of my time than i bargained for with my wife...
Really? I thought chihuahua's were easier than wives. At least you don't have to walk your wife. OTHO, you're an odd duck, so one never knows.... :)
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Jul 8, 2010 9:43:27am |
re: #371 Fozzie Bear
The DA for the county I live in is more concerned with getting flattering press coverage than he is with anything resembling fairness. He is, of course, constantly running for office, rather than just doing his fob without consideration for how it will play in the papers.
Hate to burst your bubble, but you're going to have that. Many DA's are running for office...just not theirs.
Spitzer, anyone?
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lawhawk Thu, Jul 8, 2010 9:44:08am |
re: #371 Fozzie Bear
I'm inclined to go with an appointment system with a term duration of some form rather than elected officials. Depoliticizing the judiciary should be a priority, as it should with prosecutors' offices.
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Kragar Thu, Jul 8, 2010 9:44:59am |
re: #350 Aceofwhat?
We have a cuban brown anole who loves our wicker chair in our backyard...you can see him through the sliding glass window every day, doing pushups and expanding his dewlap like a pimp.
I was not aware that pimps had dewlaps.
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 8, 2010 9:45:46am |
re: #364 oaktree
Though, by bringing another sporting device into the house Mandy and The Kid have probably gotten an upding on their next Feline Overlord Evaluation.
Sporting device? The skink? You can gamble on skinks? OTB?
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Fozzie Bear Thu, Jul 8, 2010 9:45:53am |
re: #376 lawhawk
I'm inclined to go with an appointment system with a term duration of some form rather than elected officials. Depoliticizing the judiciary should be a priority, as it should with prosecutors' offices.
Hear hear!
I don't think enough people really get how corrosive a politicized judiciary and prosecution can be to the rule of law.
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McSpiff Thu, Jul 8, 2010 9:47:40am |
re: #369 Aceofwhat?
how does that make it less political again? now the concern is the judge or DA being too worried about how their actions will affect a smaller number of voters...is that such an improvement over their worrying about a larger number of voters?
You'd have to come to Canada to see it I guess. Judges and Prosecutors are never dismissed for political reasons. That would very quickly cause any government to fall.
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McSpiff Thu, Jul 8, 2010 9:49:24am |
Also, many judges are in fact banned from politics while serving in Canada. Since they may be called upon to make a ruling on any election dispute. This can go so far as them not voting. I'm not sure if that's by law or just tradition.
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ryannon Thu, Jul 8, 2010 9:49:38am |
re: #127 Killgore Trout
I'm pretty sure I pulled a muscle in my abdomen in a marathon weeding session. I really hope it's not a hernia. I can't afford a hernia.
There's an old folk remedy for pulled muscles: tadpole compresses
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What, me worry? Thu, Jul 8, 2010 9:50:35am |
re: #372 ryannon
Could be big money in squid porno flicks.
The other night on the history channel, they had a segment on the cuttle fish which are squid-like.
Anyway, there are certain colors for males and females. When the males want to mate, one will pick a female and stand guard over her preventing any other suitors. The other males have to get around this alpha male by "cross-dressing" or changing their colors to look like females. This way, they can sneak past the alpha male and the female is receptive to the new girlfriend. In fact, the faux female actually begins to mount her and then turns back into his male colors when he mates.
Outstanding!
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Jul 8, 2010 9:51:16am |
re: #374 marjoriemoon
Really? I thought chihuahua's were easier than wives. At least you don't have to walk your wife. OTHO, you're an odd duck, so one never knows... :)
that was awesome.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Jul 8, 2010 9:51:47am |
re: #377 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I was not aware that pimps had dewlaps.
absolutely. think of it as bling...
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears Thu, Jul 8, 2010 9:52:43am |
re: #378 MandyManners
Sporting device? The skink? You can gamble on skinks? OTB?
From the cat's point of view. It scuttles. It's blue. It's a sporting device, and possibly a tasty one!
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What, me worry? Thu, Jul 8, 2010 9:52:44am |
re: #384 Aceofwhat?
that was awesome.
I'm totally down with the fact that I can tease you and you won't hate me.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Jul 8, 2010 9:53:30am |
re: #387 marjoriemoon
I'm totally down with the fact that I can tease you and you won't hate me.
in fact, i like you better for it;)
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ryannon Thu, Jul 8, 2010 9:54:37am |
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lawhawk Thu, Jul 8, 2010 9:57:04am |
Last night the Landmarks Preservation Commission voted against landmarking 45/47 Park Place, which means that another hurdle to the Cordoba House proposal has been cleared.
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Obdicut Thu, Jul 8, 2010 9:57:05am |
re: #351 Aceofwhat?
No, that's not accurate. What I wrote is accurate, and doesn't make reference to 'sensibilities' as though respect for rights is somehow an effete thing.
As I said: Our prison system is all kinds of fucked up. That other countries are rightly pointing out that our Constitutional provisions have not prevented our prisons from getting all kinds of fucked up-- specifically, for them, the length of our sentences for a lot of property and drug crimes would constitute being cruel and unusual-- is not a problem with the other countries. It is a problem with our prison and justice system that we do need to address, if we do want other countries to extradite prisoners to us.
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 8, 2010 9:58:00am |
re: #386 oaktree
From the cat's point of view. It scuttles. It's blue. It's a sporting device, and possibly a tasty one!
Oh, yes! He caught one a few months ago and dropped it at my feet.
And, he got the hamster earlier this week. Speaking of which, my toe's not broken, just jammed to the Nth degree. But, I have an amazing bruise, going from purple to green to yellow.
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What, me worry? Thu, Jul 8, 2010 9:59:14am |
re: #390 lawhawk
Last night the Landmarks Preservation Commission voted against landmarking 45/47 Park Place, which means that another hurdle to the Cordoba House proposal has been cleared.
It's unclear how many blocks away the mosque would need to be to appease the opposition, but last night the plan won a key victory from CB1...
Um.... Iowa. I think.
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Obdicut Thu, Jul 8, 2010 9:59:51am |
re: #376 lawhawk
I'm inclined to go with an appointment system with a term duration of some form rather than elected officials. Depoliticizing the judiciary should be a priority, as it should with prosecutors' offices.
Putting barriers up to prevent prosecutors from running for other offices, too, is an important thing; as Ace pointed out, prosecutor is one of the favorite roles for people to use politically.
That, of course, is monumentally tricky to achieve without violating rights.
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:00:22am |
re: #370 marjoriemoon
The problem with elections, though, is no one knows who they're voting for. I've worked in the legal field 30 years and I have no clue. A layperson knows less. I've stopped voting on judges. I used to use the yardstick of women and Jews first (I know, I'm horrible...) but that was awful, too. I favor appointments.
It's much easier than it used to be for understanding who the judges are and what their positions are, though. FDL and BlueAmerica track local races-- you can sign up by zipcode, I think, and get all the info you'll need. I think it's important. Also, you can track by issue-- say for example domestic violence or sex offenders are among your concerns. You'll get info from the above about who's better on that issue --regardless of their party affiliation.
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:00:29am |
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:00:51am |
re: #392 MandyManners
Oh, yes! He caught one a few months ago and dropped it at my feet.
And, he got the hamster earlier this week. Speaking of which, my toe's not broken, just jammed to the Nth degree. But, I have an amazing bruise, going from purple to green to yellow.
How'd you cook it up for him?
Mine like their meat lightly braised, but not too spicy.
Heh. And you get the technicolor show as your body breaks down the loose stuff from the bruise damage.
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What, me worry? Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:02:33am |
re: #395 iceweasel
It's much easier than it used to be for understanding who the judges are and what their positions are, though. FDL and BlueAmerica track local races-- you can sign up by zipcode, I think, and get all the info you'll need. I think it's important. Also, you can track by issue-- say for example domestic violence or sex offenders are among your concerns. You'll get info from the above about who's better on that issue --regardless of their party affiliation.
I never knew that! I try to get the info from the paper, but often they don't even have it (yes even the Miami Herald which sucks).
I'll remember for next time!
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lawhawk Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:03:34am |
re: #390 lawhawk
Oops - gotta clarify this one. This was the landmarks committee of the Community Board and not the LPC - the LPC meeting is next week. While the CB 1 landmarks committee opposed landmarking the building, that's a nonbinding decision on the LPC. I apologize for the misstatement.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:04:05am |
Howdy lizards. I've been slowly catching up on the news the past week. Insanity rules I see. I just saw this a little while ago...the Obama administration has put Justice Department attorney Tony West in charge of the Arizona suit. Who is Tony West? He's John Walker Lindh's attorney. What is the WH thinking? Isn't there any better attorneys to chose from?
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What, me worry? Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:04:31am |
re: #396 MandyManners
Patti sang that? Gawd I hated that song when I was a kid. I like now LOL
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:04:37am |
re: #397 oaktree
How'd you cook it up for him?
Mine like their meat lightly braised, but not too spicy.
Heh. And you get the technicolor show as your body breaks down the loose stuff from the bruise damage.
I petted him and thanked him, then I picked it up with a wad of papertowels and flushed it.
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Taqyia2Me Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:04:51am |
re: #392 MandyManners
Oh, yes! He caught one a few months ago and dropped it at my feet.
And, he got the hamster earlier this week. Speaking of which, my toe's not broken, just jammed to the Nth degree. But, I have an amazing bruise, going from purple to green to yellow.
How do you accessorize with that?!?
{Mandy}
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:05:29am |
re: #400 NJDhockeyfan
Howdy lizards. I've been slowly catching up on the news the past week. Insanity rules I see. I just saw this a little while ago...the Obama administration has put Justice Department attorney Tony West in charge of the Arizona suit. Who is Tony West? He's John Walker Lindh's attorney. What is the WH thinking? Isn't there any better attorneys to chose from?
Are you fucking kidding me???
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:05:38am |
re: #398 marjoriemoon
I never knew that! I try to get the info from the paper, but often they don't even have it (yes even the Miami Herald which sucks).
I'll remember for next time!
I'm on a bunch of mailing lists for that stuff-- I'll round up some links for you and email them to you. :)
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What, me worry? Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:06:26am |
re: #405 iceweasel
I'm on a bunch of mailing lists for that stuff-- I'll round up some links for you and email them to you. :)
Ooo muchas gracias!
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:06:38am |
Yes, in this country defendants have to have lawyers. Shocking, I know. //
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:06:43am |
I wrote a bit on the web psychology of abusing women and minorities in my mini-blog that I would love some commentary on if you have the time. I'm not a psychologist so I am seriously asking for other people's takes on this to refine the picture.
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:06:46am |
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:06:51am |
re: #404 MandyManners
Are you fucking kidding me???
I wish I was. This is total insanity.
Lawyer Who Defended 'American Taliban' Now Heads DOJ Suit Against Arizona
The federal prosecutor tasked with quarterbacking the Obama administration's high-profile case against Arizona's immigration law is no stranger to controversy or the limelight.
Justice Department attorney Tony West is a member of the so-called "Gitmo 9" -- a group of lawyers who have represented terror suspects.
West, the assistant attorney general for the department's Civil Division, once represented "American Taliban" John Walker Lindh, a controversial move that West feared would derail his political ambitions and helped delay his nomination to the department for three months in 2009.
He helped negotiate a 20-year sentence for Lindh, an American citizen who was 21 years old when he was captured in Afghanistan in 2001. Under the deal, Lindh avoided a life sentence by pleading guilty to serving in the Taliban army and carrying weapons, and the government dropped its most serious charges, including conspiracy to kill Americans and engaging in terrorism.
Now West will lead the U.S. effort to block Arizona's immigration law from its July 29 implementation. The law makes it a crime to be in the state without immigration papers and requires police to determine whether suspects are in the country legally -- a provision that critics say will promote racial profiling and is unconstitutional.
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:07:06am |
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:07:48am |
re: #407 iceweasel
Yes, in this country defendants have to have lawyers. Shocking, I know. //
I'm sure he would rather just torture him without the need for a pesky trial.
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:07:54am |
re: #400 NJDhockeyfan
Howdy lizards. I've been slowly catching up on the news the past week. Insanity rules I see. I just saw this a little while ago...the Obama administration has put Justice Department attorney Tony West in charge of the Arizona suit. Who is Tony West? He's John Walker Lindh's attorney. What is the WH thinking? Isn't there any better attorneys to chose from?
How the fuck did he get into the DoJ? He represented AN ENEMY OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:08:43am |
re: #413 MandyManners
How the fuck did he get into the DoJ? He represented AN ENEMY OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
Perhaps he's qualified?
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Fozzie Bear Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:09:03am |
Demonizing defense attorneys is really quite dumb.
Who he represented in the past has absolutely nothing to do with his abilities or his moral fiber.
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McSpiff Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:09:33am |
re: #413 MandyManners
How the fuck did he get into the DoJ? He represented AN ENEMY OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
And? If he didn't break the law, didn't violate any of the bars code of ethics, and is a good attorney, why shouldn't he be in the DoJ?
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:09:35am |
re: #413 MandyManners
How the fuck did he get into the DoJ? He represented AN ENEMY OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
Very good question.
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What, me worry? Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:09:46am |
re: #413 MandyManners
How the fuck did he get into the DoJ? He represented AN ENEMY OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
Everyone gets a defense though. Even the most wretched.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:09:53am |
re: #410 NJDhockeyfan
Yes indeed, because a lawyer defended a client - which is his job after all, he must not have any legal points to make against the execrable and soon to be overturned Az law.
Do you ever tire of right wing talking points, guilt by association and denial of basic American legal principles that are inconvenient for your paranoid screeds?
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:10:01am |
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Fozzie Bear Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:10:07am |
re: #413 MandyManners
In our system, everybody gets an advocate, including the accused. The advocate does not equal the client. Do you have a problem with our system?
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:10:15am |
Justice Department attorney Tony West is a member of the so-called "Gitmo 9" -- a group of lawyers who have represented terror suspects.
People know that this fearmongering about the "Gitmo 9" is wingnut bullshit, right?
Are You or Have You Ever Been a Lawyer?
In the McCarthy era, demagogues on the right smeared loyal Americans as disloyal and charged that the government was being undermined from within.In this era, demagogues on the right are smearing loyal Americans as disloyal and charging that the government is being undermined from within.
These voices — often heard on Fox News — are going after Justice Department lawyers who represented Guantánamo detainees when they were in private practice. It is not nearly enough to say that these lawyers did nothing wrong. In fact, they upheld the highest standards of their profession and advanced the cause of democratic justice.
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:10:15am |
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McSpiff Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:10:52am |
For the record, he was also representing an accused. As in, not found guilty. Just because the government says you're a bad guy doesn't make it so.
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:11:05am |
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:11:17am |
re: #413 MandyManners
How the fuck did he get into the DoJ? He represented AN ENEMY OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
Because we believe in the principle of innocent until proven guilty here and the state can not convict someone who was not given the chance for adequate representation. How can you be outraged at that?
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McSpiff Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:11:22am |
re: #424 McSpiff
For the record, he was also representing an accused. As in, not found guilty. Just because the government says you're a bad guy doesn't make it so.
Fuck, not found guilty at the time. As in pre-trail. HUGE PIMF there
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What, me worry? Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:11:33am |
Lunch time over. Back to the salt mines. Catch up with you guys later.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:11:36am |
re: #391 Obdicut
No, that's not accurate. What I wrote is accurate, and doesn't make reference to 'sensibilities' as though respect for rights is somehow an effete thing.
As I said: Our prison system is all kinds of fucked up. That other countries are rightly pointing out that our Constitutional provisions have not prevented our prisons from getting all kinds of fucked up-- specifically, for them, the length of our sentences for a lot of property and drug crimes would constitute being cruel and unusual-- is not a problem with the other countries. It is a problem with our prison and justice system that we do need to address, if we do want other countries to extradite prisoners to us.
Sorry. i was trying to respond to this part:
all four were covered by another question the Human Rights judges wanted to consider further - does the Eight Amendment to the US Constitution (prohibition of "cruel and unusual punishment") give the equivalent protection to Article 3 of the European Human Rights Convention?
First, i agree with you that our prisons, by and large, are fucked up. Something's wrong when you need to join your local racial hate group just to stay alive.
That having been said, i think i'm reading the paragraph above correctly when i take umbrage that Europe is seriously questioning the ability of the Eighth Amdmt to prevent the sorts of abuses that could realistically affect extradition.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:11:44am |
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:11:48am |
re: #412 LudwigVanQuixote
I'm sure he would rather just torture him without the need for a pesky trial.
AM Wingnut Wave, busting out the bullshit talking points again.
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Fozzie Bear Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:11:58am |
re: #425 MandyManners
He advocated for a terrorist.
He advocated for an accused terrorist. That's our system. It works better than any other.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:12:23am |
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:13:02am |
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McSpiff Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:13:02am |
re: #425 MandyManners
He advocated for a terrorist.
So you think Obama should be able to designate someone a terrorist and thats the end of it? I'm surprised you'd advocate giving BHO that much power Mandy. Very unlike you.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:14:03am |
re: #436 McSpiff
So you think Obama should be able to designate someone a terrorist and thats the end of it? I'm surprised you'd advocate giving BHO that much power Mandy. Very unlike you.
Wingers love the idea of a tough state that removes the basic rights of others - provided that state is run by a winger.
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lawhawk Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:14:24am |
re: #427 McSpiff
Lindh is serving his sentence after entering into a plea deal. 20 years, rather than life + 90 as under the original charges.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:14:29am |
re: #431 LudwigVanQuixote
He defended a client. There is a difference.
Yes, his client was an American Taliban scumbag. He must be so proud to help that guy get a lighter sentence.
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:14:40am |
re: #436 McSpiff
So you think Obama should be able to designate someone a terrorist and thats the end of it? I'm surprised you'd advocate giving BHO that much power Mandy. Very unlike you.
So you think there's any scenario where the Obama haters will like anything he does?
I'm thinking, nah.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:15:36am |
re: #425 MandyManners
He advocated for a terrorist.
Mandy... you must be kidding me.. right? I know you're informed enough about the nature of our justice system to realize that a defense attorney represents a "innocent until proven guilty" person... right, you get that... he could defend a pile of shit if someone is paying him... it's a fucking job, not an ideology, not a belief, not a partisan venture... I would LOVE to have someone as clever as him if I was actually. innocent... I wouldn't care if he defended Judas.
Go read up on how our laws and justice system works. You know what would be scary, if someone who thinks like you were in the justice system.
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:16:15am |
re: #437 LudwigVanQuixote
Wingers love the idea of a tough state that removes the basic rights of others - provided that state is run by a winger.
That's because they're bedwetters who worship authority and have very strong authoritarian tendencies. There's even a name for it.
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McSpiff Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:16:48am |
re: #438 lawhawk
Lindh is serving his sentence after entering into a plea deal. 20 years, rather than life + 90 as under the original charges.
So clearly the case wasn't a slam dunk, or the government thought that sentence was adequate. Should I have a problem with him having a decent lawyer? I seriously hope we haven't added "professional incompetence" as the latest weapon in TWOT.
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wrenchwench Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:17:14am |
I don't know anything about J W Lindh's lawyer, except that he probably put his career and some friendships on the line to do a job that somebody had to do.
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Fozzie Bear Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:17:23am |
re: #439 NJDhockeyfan
Yes, his client was an American Taliban scumbag. He must be so proud to help that guy get a lighter sentence.
Are you seriously so incredibly stupid that you cannot understand that the right to a fair trial necessitates vigorous representation? I suppose you would rather just have a dictatorship, but some of would prefer an actual functioning justice system.
I work for a law firm that represents murderers, rapists, and thieves, among others. We also often represent innocent people. Would you care to explain to us how you an tell the difference better than our court system?
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:17:37am |
re: #439 NJDhockeyfan
Yes, his client was an American Taliban scumbag. He must be so proud to help that guy get a lighter sentence.
I'm fucking glad you're not employed by our justice system.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:17:55am |
re: #439 NJDhockeyfan
Yes, his client was an American Taliban scumbag. He must be so proud to help that guy get a lighter sentence.
20 years is hardly a light sentence.
If you don't like the sentence, then you should take that up with the Judge, who unlike you was privy to all the evidence in the trial. You do get that right? The judge does the sentencing?
For someone who likes to scream about defending American freedoms and is an avowed conservative about our freedoms, you have the greatest contempt and ignorance for how those freedoms are actually administered in America. This is something true of almost all wingnuts though.
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lawhawk Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:20:00am |
re: #443 McSpiff
There were issues with claims that he was tortured and/or coerced into making statements and Michael Chertoff (then head of the criminal division at DOJ) requested that DOJ enter into a plea deal to forestall delays in the trial and possible evidence suppression. Lindh accepted the deal. Had Lindh's lawyer thought that he could beat the charges in court - and get that evidence suppressed, he would have done so. It was in his client's interests to take the deal because if he lost - it would be life in prison.
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lawhawk Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:20:43am |
re: #447 LudwigVanQuixote
It wasn't a sentence handed down by a judge or jury - but a plea deal. The judge in the case signed off on the deal.
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McSpiff Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:20:52am |
re: #448 lawhawk
There were issues with claims that he was tortured and/or coerced into making statements and Michael Chertoff (then head of the criminal division at DOJ) requested that DOJ enter into a plea deal to forestall delays in the trial and possible evidence suppression. Lindh accepted the deal. Had Lindh's lawyer thought that he could beat the charges in court - and get that evidence suppressed, he would have done so. It was in his client's interests to take the deal because if he lost - it would be life in prison.
Sounds like the deal was good for both sides then.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:21:02am |
re: #446 Walter L. Newton
I'm fucking glad you're not employed by our justice system.
I wouldn't qualify for them anyway. I would have perused charged against the New Blank Panther Party racist members which since has been dropped by those at the DOJ.
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:21:04am |
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:22:01am |
re: #447 LudwigVanQuixote
20 years is hardly a light sentence.
If you don't like the sentence, then you should take that up with the Judge, who unlike you was privy to all the evidence in the trial. You do get that right? The judge does the sentencing?
For someone who likes to scream about defending American freedoms and is an avowed conservative about our freedoms, you have the greatest contempt and ignorance for how those freedoms are actually administered in America. This is something true of almost all wingnuts though.
That's also why they tend to regard our civil liberties as disposable, if not downright 'unamerican'.
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Fozzie Bear Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:22:29am |
re: #451 NJDhockeyfan
I wouldn't qualify for them anyway. I would have perused charged against the New Blank Panther Party racist members which since has been dropped by those at the DOJ.
And you would have likely lost, wasting valuable resources, and time.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:24:03am |
re: #449 lawhawk
It wasn't a sentence handed down by a judge or jury - but a plea deal. The judge in the case signed off on the deal.
Good point. However, it was in the judge's discretion to not sign off on it as well. I am not trying to trivialize the valid legal point you just made, however, we should not allow others to think that it was the defense attorney who made the bargain without the prosecutors going along with it, or the judge signing off.
We should not let cretins abuse our legal system by hating defense attorneys for doing their jobs.
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:25:00am |
re: #448 lawhawk
There were issues with claims that he was tortured and/or coerced into making statements and Michael Chertoff (then head of the criminal division at DOJ) requested that DOJ enter into a plea deal to forestall delays in the trial and possible evidence suppression. Lindh accepted the deal. Had Lindh's lawyer thought that he could beat the charges in court - and get that evidence suppressed, he would have done so. It was in his client's interests to take the deal because if he lost - it would be life in prison.
There were some pretty huge fuckups as I recall. I believe he'd been held in isolation, perhaps for over a year. Other allegations of torture as well.
The 20 year deal he was offered was also very likely going to be the best the government could get against him, if I remember right. This really was a case where the deal was a win-win for the prosecution and the defense.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:25:21am |
re: #454 Fozzie Bear
And you would have likely lost, wasting valuable resources, and time.
Yup....nothing wastes more valuable resources than charging racist members of the New Blank Panther Party, right?
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ryannon Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:26:12am |
re: #225 MandyManners
I could live with that very well: the availability of alternate beverages levels what has been a severely stacked playing field. People will still be able to get (diet) sodas from the machines, while cutting out the heavily sugared drinks is a net gain in health - and part of a net loss in weight.
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tnguitarist Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:26:31am |
I'm amazed by the people that don't understand that our judicial system and its workings are one of the bedrocks of our society.
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lawhawk Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:26:34am |
re: #455 LudwigVanQuixote
If the judge thought that the plea deal wasn't in the interest of justice, he could have blocked the deal. A notable recent example of this was where a judge initially blocked the deal brokered to set up a compensation fund for Ground Zero workers because the money wasn't sufficient enough for the victims (the plaintiff lawyers got too big a cut), and the sides went back and drew up a better deal.
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zora Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:26:50am |
re: #457 NJDhockeyfan
well, while you're speculating. what other racists would you go after?
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McSpiff Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:27:17am |
re: #457 NJDhockeyfan
Yup...nothing wastes more valuable resources than charging racist members of the New Blank Panther Party, right?
If there's no chance of conviction? Agreed.
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Fozzie Bear Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:27:24am |
re: #457 NJDhockeyfan
Yup...nothing wastes more valuable resources than charging racist members of the New Blank Panther Party, right?
If you have no case, yeah, it's a waste of time. The evidence doesn't support a successful prosecution.
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:28:09am |
re: #438 lawhawk
Lindh is serving his sentence after entering into a plea deal. 20 years, rather than life + 90 as under the original charges.
Other than being appointed by a court, is an attorney obligated to take on any client who wants him?
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:28:11am |
re: #461 zora
well, while you're speculating. what other racists would you go after?
Any of them who violate the law. I would enjoy putting people like that in prison. Why do you ask?
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:28:15am |
re: #460 lawhawk
If the judge thought that the plea deal wasn't in the interest of justice, he could have blocked the deal. A notable recent example of this was where a judge initially blocked the deal brokered to set up a compensation fund for Ground Zero workers because the money wasn't sufficient enough for the victims (the plaintiff lawyers got too big a cut), and the sides went back and drew up a better deal.
It'd be nice if more people would read your posts-- particularly the one above that mentions the deal was initiated at Chertoff's request.
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boredtechindenver Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:28:45am |
re: #457 NJDhockeyfan
Yup...nothing wastes more valuable resources than charging racist members of the New Blank Panther Party, right?
Thats twice you have used "Blank". The first time, I charitably thought it was a typo. Twice, you are replacing a word you know will get you banned. Back to the "nom nom nom fap fap fap nom fap nom fap nom fap fap fap fap nom nom nom" filter for you.
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ryannon Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:29:06am |
re: #426 LudwigVanQuixote
I've been looking into the question of liquid sodium thorium reactors. Conclusion: what's not to like? Get ready for some interesting links at the next opportune occasion.
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:29:11am |
re: #459 tnguitarist
I'm amazed by the people that don't understand that our judicial system and its workings are one of the bedrocks of our society.
Yeah.
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McSpiff Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:29:22am |
re: #464 MandyManners
Other than being appointed by a court, is an attorney obligated to take on any client who wants him?
No, luckily most lawyers are simply more professional than many of the posters here.
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Fozzie Bear Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:29:32am |
The hostility toward our justice system displayed here is pretty astounding. I'll just say what has been said to me, many many times by wingnuts when I criticized the actions of government during the Bush years:
If you don't like it, you are welcome to leave.
AMERICA!!! FUCK YEAH!!!!
(Pretty fucking annoying, isn't it?)
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:30:11am |
re: #458 ryannon
I could live with that very well: the availability of alternate beverages levels what has been a severely stacked playing field. People will still be able to get (diet) sodas from the machines, while cutting out the heavily sugared drinks is a net gain in health - and part of a net loss in weight.
Shouldn't that choice be left up to the ADULTS?
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:30:27am |
re: #457 NJDhockeyfan
Yup...nothing wastes more valuable resources than charging racist members of the New Blank Panther Party, right?
Yeah and it is so hurtful, that even though you have already convicted in your mind, based on reports you read from screaming wing nuts, that the actual professionals in the legal system didn't feel they had a case.
I know you would be all for getting rid of the whole pesky innocent until proven guilty thing and the mess of trials in an imperfect world. I know this is especially hurtful to you when they have you to render always correct and harsh judgements, and worse, no one seems to recognize just how special a snowflake you are and how your perceptions really should legitimately be above the law.
I feel your pain bro.
Maybe someday people will become enlightened to the revelation of your flawless wisdom and do away with the need for trials.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:30:54am |
re: #467 boredtechindenver
Thats twice you have used "Blank". The first time, I charitably thought it was a typo. Twice, you are replacing a word you know will get you banned. Back to the "nom nom nom fap fap fap nom fap nom fap nom fap fap fap fap nom nom nom" filter for you.
Oh shit. Sorry about that chief.
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tnguitarist Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:31:07am |
re: #469 iceweasel
Some people hate the justice system until they are the one accused of wrongdoing. Then they want the best representation money can buy.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:31:12am |
re: #460 lawhawk
If the judge thought that the plea deal wasn't in the interest of justice, he could have blocked the deal. A notable recent example of this was where a judge initially blocked the deal brokered to set up a compensation fund for Ground Zero workers because the money wasn't sufficient enough for the victims (the plaintiff lawyers got too big a cut), and the sides went back and drew up a better deal.
Exactly my point. At which point the judge, de facto - passed the sentence of 20 years.
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:32:00am |
re: #459 tnguitarist
I'm amazed by the people that don't understand that our judicial system and its workings are one of the bedrocks of our society.
Having covered courts as a journalist for many years and then having worked as a parlegal in both state and federal courts, I understand how it works rather well.
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Macha Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:32:12am |
re: #335 Aceofwhat?
problem is, lizards of all kinds carry salmonella
I didn't know about the lizard-salmonella connection. Last year I had a bad outbreak of salmonella in my pigeon loft. I lost a number of birds from it before I got it under control. The mystery was, where did it come from? There were no new birds in the loft. Most of the ones in there were either bred there or had been there at least a couple of years. Seeing your post may have solved the question. We have lizards everywhere here and they zip in and out of the aviary all the time. No one, not even the vet, or the county pathologists who did the necropsy on the dead birds ever mentioned lizards as being the possible vectors.
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McSpiff Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:32:33am |
If you didn't do anything wrong, why did the police arrest you? Why would the DA feel the need to charge you? Clearly 2/3 elements of the legal system think you're guilty, and isn't that really the basis of democracy?
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tnguitarist Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:32:38am |
re: #477 MandyManners
Having covered courts as a journalist for many years and then having worked as a parlegal in both state and federal courts, I understand how it works rather well.
Then I'm even more astounded.
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zora Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:33:24am |
re: #465 NJDhockeyfan
just trying to understand your line of thinking.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:33:35am |
re: #473 LudwigVanQuixote
Yeah and it is so hurtful, that even though you have already convicted in your mind, based on reports you read from screaming wing nuts, that the actual professionals in the legal system didn't feel they had a case.
I know you would be all for getting rid of the whole pesky innocent until proven guilty thing and the mess of trials in an imperfect world. I know this is especially hurtful to you when they have you to render always correct and harsh judgements, and worse, no one seems to recognize just how special a snowflake you are and how your perceptions really should legitimately be above the law.
I feel your pain bro.
Maybe someday people will become enlightened to the revelation of your flawless wisdom and do away with the need for trials.
Whatever.
I saw an interview on CNN this morning with an original founder of the Black Panther Party of the 60s who was outraged by this new group. Tell me his problem now.
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Fozzie Bear Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:33:38am |
re: #477 MandyManners
Having covered courts as a journalist for many years and then having worked as a parlegal in both state and federal courts, I understand how it works rather well.
Then why the hostility toward a defense attorney doing his job?
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:34:12am |
re: #477 MandyManners
Having covered courts as a journalist for many years and then having worked as a parlegal in both state and federal courts, I understand how it works rather well.
No, you don't.
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:34:13am |
re: #480 tnguitarist
Then I'm even more astounded.
From my understanding, unless someone appointed by the court, an attorney is not forced to represent someone.
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ryannon Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:34:16am |
re: #472 MandyManners
Shouldn't that choice be left up to the ADULTS?
Not sure I understand what you mean here by adults. Maybe I missed something in the text. But the point is, if the only way to make alternative and much healthier drinks available is by law, then I can put up with the law. It's not like they're making Coke illegal.
Anyway, BBL. Keep on keeping on, all.
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McSpiff Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:34:30am |
re: #477 MandyManners
Having covered courts as a journalist for many years and then having worked as a parlegal in both state and federal courts, I understand how it works rather well.
And yet you you associate a defense lawyer's loyalty with that of their client. Unbelievable.
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Fozzie Bear Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:34:53am |
re: #482 NJDhockeyfan
Whatever.
I saw an interview on CNN this morning with an original founder of the Black Panther Party of the 60s who was outraged by this new group. Tell me his problem now.
Cause that anecdote TOTALLY encompasses the full fact set of the particular case at issue, right? ///
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McSpiff Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:35:33am |
re: #485 MandyManners
From my understanding, unless someone appointed by the court, an attorney is not forced to represent someone.
No, they just understand how the legal system works.
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:35:49am |
re: #486 ryannon
Not sure I understand what you mean here by adults. Maybe I missed something in the text. But the point is, if the only way to make alternative and much healthier drinks available is by law, then I can put up with the law. It's not like they're making Coke illegal.
Anyway, BBL. Keep on keeping on, all.
Why not let the market dicate what is offered?
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Fozzie Bear Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:36:15am |
re: #485 MandyManners
From my understanding, unless someone appointed by the court, an attorney is not forced to represent someone.
And so if an attorney is hired by a client who is accused of something repugnant, they would be immoral to take the case?
Please, do go on.
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sagehen Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:36:32am |
Hey, look what I found at sullivan's -- a Republican candidate with a good web ad!! (will wonders never cease?) And he didn't even steal the music!
(okay, maybe the intro is sort of "footloose"-ish, but it's not a total ripoff).
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tnguitarist Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:36:54am |
re: #485 MandyManners
From my understanding, unless someone appointed by the court, an attorney is not forced to represent someone.
It could be possible that he understood that JWL deserved to have a lawyer even if he was guilty. If we start judging lawyers by the clients they represent, we'll be headed down a slippery slope.
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ryannon Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:37:17am |
re: #490 MandyManners
Why not let the market dicate what is offered?
Market is rigged: Big Cola.
Love to stay, but I gotta go.... BBL
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McSpiff Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:37:27am |
re: #490 MandyManners
Why not let the market dicate what is offered?
Unless the market chooses to defend suspect Mandy clearly knows is guilty. Then the market hates America.
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Fozzie Bear Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:38:07am |
Well, I hope if you ever are accused of a heinous crime, you find yourself with exactly as much representation as you would have afforded Lindh.
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lawhawk Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:38:46am |
Speaking of plea deals, a former GOP Congressman and an Illinois man admitted to being unregistered foreign agents while representing a foreign charity before the U.S. government.
Mark Deli Siljander, who once represented Michigan in the U.S. House, and Abdel Azim Elsiddig, a part-time fundraiser for the former Islamic American Relief Agency in Columbia, Mo., each acknowledged they conspired to lobby for the Sudan-based Islamic African Relief Agency.In separate plea hearings, each man admitted that he was required to register with the Justice Department before representing the Sudanese charity.
Siljander, 59, also pleaded guilty to obstruction of justice for lying to FBI agents and prosecutors about the purpose of the lobbying funds. At the time, he described the $75,000 payments as charitable contributions for a book he was writing.
In October 2004, the Treasury Department declared the Sudanese charity and its Columbia office as supporters of international terrorism and froze their assets in the U.S.
“A former congressman engaged in illegal lobbying for a charity suspected of funding international terrorism,” U.S. Attorney Beth Phillips said in a written statement. “Siljander repeatedly lied to FBI agents and prosecutors investigating serious crimes related to national security.”
Elsiddig, 53, acknowledged that he hired and paid Siljander to persuade government officials to remove the charity from a Senate Finance Committee list of Islamic organizations suspected of supporting terrorism and to restore the charity’s ability to receive U.S. government contracts.
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tnguitarist Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:39:19am |
I have to get back out to my shop. The willful ignorance is hurting my head.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:39:35am |
re: #468 ryannon
I've been looking into the question of liquid sodium thorium reactors. Conclusion: what's not to like? Get ready for some interesting links at the next opportune occasion.
Hey I am all for using and deploying nuclear reactors. I am also aware of current gen designs that could do the job quite well and have their own fuel cycles. For me, the issue is reducing large scale emissions yesterday. My research and expertise, among other things, goes into the impacts of AGW. I will look no workable fix in the mouth.
If the nuclear engineering types conclude that this is a better technology - then I am all for that as well. As a physicist, I know the basics of nuclear things (and some very specialized things like QCD, that have nothing to do with building a reactor) in the same way that a person who went to medical school and then did a specialization can talk generally about pretty much any sort of medicine. However, an oncologist can and should defer to a thoracic surgeon - and vice versa.
That's a long way of saying, I am all for the technology and willing to look into it in depth when I have the time, but would gladly refer to the experts about it. I do know a lot of very trustworthy people who are very keen on it.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:43:40am |
re: #410 NJDhockeyfan
WHO an attorney represents is immaterial. HOW they do it is everything. Did this guy pass notes to terrorists, or just represent someone you didn't like?
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:46:08am |
WTF?
Cop killer Shu'aib Raheem paroled 37 years later, NYPD outraged by decision
A Brooklyn cop killer walked out of prison Friday after more than three decades behind bars - over fierce objections from police officials and his victim's widow.
Shu'aib Raheem, ringleader in a 1973 standoff in which Officer Stephen Gilroy was murdered, was sprung from the Eastern Correctional Facility in Napanoch.
Raheem, 60, carried his personal belongings and whatever cash he saved through the years while working in prison. Plus he got $40 in "gate money" from a fund paid for with inmates' earnings.
His release set off a furor among cops, including Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly, who called Gilroy's murder an attack on society.
"I think people convicted of killing police officers forfeit the right to parole," Kelly said.
Patrick Lynch, head of the Patrolmen's Benevolent Association, called the release "disgraceful."
The ex-con plans to relocate to the Carolinas, sources said, if his parole officer approves. He met with the parole officer yesterday after he got back to the city.
Raheem was one of four men charged in the slaying of Gilroy, who was 29 when he was shot outside John and Al's Sporting Goods, a Williamsburg shop where robbers were holding hostages.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:47:18am |
re: #501 Aceofwhat?
WHO an attorney represents is immaterial. HOW they do it is everything. Did this guy pass notes to terrorists, or just represent someone you didn't like?
What I was wondering is, he defended a person against the DOJ in a criminal case, and now is working for the DOJ in a civil one. Guess it's like a prosecutor becoming a defense attorney. Only reverse.
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Ericus58 Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:47:26am |
Here's a prison program I sure could get behind. Great opportunities.
Inmates, dogs team up
[Link: www.heraldnet.com...]
"MONROE — Wayne Anderson didn’t mind cramming a dog crate into his tiny prison cell at the Monroe Correctional Complex.
In truth, the convicted murderer signed up for the honor.
For the past eight weeks, Anderson participated in a program where inmates helped train rescued dogs, to see if the animals could serve people with disabilities.
Anderson’s dog — a black-and-brown mutt named Ellie — didn’t make the cut. She was a bit too willful. Instead, his training may help the one-time stray find a home as a pet.
“She made me look good,” said Anderson, 45. “She’s really smart.”"
.........
"Still, the program has a downside for inmates. They have to see their dogs leave after eight weeks.
That was difficult for Anderson, who began his term in 1988 and won’t see release until 2016.
Ellie moved in with him and his cellmate, Howard Banks, on May 18. Like other dogs in the program, she slept in a crate when the men weren’t taking her outside on a prison-approved schedule for walks or lessons.
Anderson was sorry to see Ellie leaving. He spent some time on Wednesday morning alone with the brown-eyed dog, saying goodbye.
“Any of the guys that tell you they’re not emotionally attached, and it’s not going to affect them, they’re either lying or they’re dead inside,” he said."
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:47:50am |
re: #468 ryannon
I've been looking into the question of liquid sodium thorium reactors. Conclusion: what's not to like? Get ready for some interesting links at the next opportune occasion.
THANK YOU.
Now...pour the Bordeaux and let's raise some awareness!
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:48:02am |
re: #502 NJDhockeyfan
Yeah, that 60 year old who has spent 37 years in prison -i.e. since he was 23, is surely a terrible threat to society, and we are much better off paying 40k a year to house and feed him...
Dude, your outrageous outrages get tiresome.
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Fozzie Bear Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:48:15am |
re: #503 Cannadian Club Akbar
What I was wondering is, he defended a person against the DOJ in a criminal case, and now is working for the DOJ in a civil one. Guess it's like a prosecutor becoming a defense attorney. Only reverse.
Yes. It happens all the time, and there is absolutely nothing improper about it.
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Fozzie Bear Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:48:54am |
re: #502 NJDhockeyfan
WTF?
Cop killer Shu'aib Raheem paroled 37 years later, NYPD outraged by decision
What is the problem? He was sentenced with 25 to life, and did 37 years.
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McSpiff Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:49:05am |
You know, there are alternatives from the system used by America. There's one system I'm familiar with in particular that I think many here would appreciate. Allow me to post a short blurb:
Law did not use an adversarial system, in which a plaintiff and defendant argue before a neutral judge. Instead, court proceedings included a judge, a procurator, a defense attorney and two people's assessors, and allowed for free participation by the judge.
Judges kept legal technicalities to a minimum; the court's stated purpose was to find the truth, rather than to protect legal rights. Other aspects of Law more closely resembled the Anglo-Saxon system. In theory, all citizens were equal before the law—defendants could appeal to a higher court if they believed their sentence to be too harsh. However, the procurator could also appeal if he/she considered the sentence to be too lenient. Law also guaranteed defendants the right to legal representation, and the right to be tried in their native language, or to use an interpreter. Although most hearings were open to the public, hearings could also be held privately, if the Government deemed it necessary.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:49:45am |
re: #478 Macha
I'm glad my offhand comment helped! The chair of our Biology dept. at school was a herpetologist...i like reptilians, too...just not enough to spend fortunes on them.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:50:33am |
re: #506 LudwigVanQuixote
Yeah, that 60 year old who has spent 37 years in prison -i.e. since he was 23, is surely a terrible threat to society, and we are much better off paying 40k a year to house and feed him...
Dude, your outrageous outrages get tiresome.
The man is a cop killer. Fuck him. I have 3 uncles who were cops. I have a lot of respect for the police. This killer doesn't deserve to be free.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:50:49am |
re: #510 McSpiff
He really hates being compared to the Norks... He really really hates it when the comparison is correct.
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McSpiff Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:51:29am |
re: #513 LudwigVanQuixote
He really hates being compared to the Norks... He really really hates it when the comparison is correct.
Nope, not norks...promise.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:51:43am |
re: #503 Cannadian Club Akbar
What I was wondering is, he defended a person against the DOJ in a criminal case, and now is working for the DOJ in a civil one. Guess it's like a prosecutor becoming a defense attorney. Only reverse.
And as long as he defended the guy ethically, i don't have a problem with it.
Knocking a person for who they defend is as nutty as excusing that lady who was passing notes to terrorists.
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tnguitarist Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:51:57am |
re: #509 Fozzie Bear
They don't get the concept of rehabilitation.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:52:12am |
re: #509 Fozzie Bear
What is the problem? He was sentenced with 25 to life, and did 37 years.
What is the problem? Are you serious?
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:53:58am |
re: #458 ryannon
I could live with that very well: the availability of alternate beverages levels what has been a severely stacked playing field. People will still be able to get (diet) sodas from the machines, while cutting out the heavily sugared drinks is a net gain in health - and part of a net loss in weight.
huh? you can still get diet sodas from existing machines.
either go full bore and outlaw heavily sugared drinks or regulate food in school and let adults be adults. this halfway crap is a waste of valuable regulatory dollars.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:54:33am |
re: #512 NJDhockeyfan
The man is a cop killer. Fuck him. I have 3 uncles who were cops. I have a lot of respect for the police. This killer doesn't deserve to be free.
And yet a judge thought the correct sentence was 25 to life, on which he did 37 years.
I know that you clearly believe that you have better judgement than the judge, at the trial, at the time, with all the available evidence, but the truth is that you don't. You have whatever crap you read in a news article 37 years after the fact and feel compelled to know what is right for this man's fate than that judge and the parole board.
Of course, you would also likely hat the idea of paying more taxes to maintain a larger prison system as well.
The only thing more annoying than your arrogance - and make no mistake that it is astonishingly arrogant to assume that you know better than a judge without any of the pertinent facts of the trial in front of you - are the endless contradictions in your own stances.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:54:51am |
re: #515 Aceofwhat?
And as long as he defended the guy ethically, i don't have a problem with it.
Knocking a person for who they defend is as nutty as excusing that lady who was passing notes to terrorists.
Lynn Stewart.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:55:03am |
re: #514 McSpiff
Nope, not norks...promise.
Ohhh Nazis? Stalinists?
Do tell. He hates apt comparisons to them too.
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McSpiff Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:56:29am |
re: #521 LudwigVanQuixote
Ohhh Nazis? Stalinists?
Do tell. He hates apt comparisons to them too.
Well, the idea had its roots in Lenin, was somewhat developed under Stalin, but in general, I'm referring to the Soviet Legal system. I have no doubt that some here read that post and saw nothing wrong with it.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:57:51am |
re: #519 LudwigVanQuixote
Your ongoing support for criminals today is disturbing. Is there a limit of criminality that you don't support?
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Fozzie Bear Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:57:55am |
re: #512 NJDhockeyfan
The man is a cop killer. Fuck him. I have 3 uncles who were cops. I have a lot of respect for the police. This killer doesn't deserve to be free.
The jury decided on 25 to life. The prison decided it was time to parole him.
Once again, the system worked. Just because the victim was a cop doesn't make this man still dangerous.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:58:16am |
re: #520 Cannadian Club Akbar
Lynn Stewart.
Yep. THAT is a person who shouldn't be employed. This guy we're talking about, as long as he behaved ethically...was just doing what lawyers do.
Perhaps there are other outrageous facts about him that i'm not privy to...he tortures unicorns in his spare time or something...but a lawyer's choice of defendants is wholly uninteresting as a basis for evaluating their ability to practice law ethically.
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Fozzie Bear Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:58:27am |
re: #517 NJDhockeyfan
What is the problem? Are you serious?
Yes, completely serious. What's the problem?
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alexknyc Thu, Jul 8, 2010 10:58:54am |
re: #516 tnguitarist
They don't get the concept of rehabilitation.
Given the recidivism rate, our prisons don't seem to do a good job focusing on rehabilitation.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Jul 8, 2010 11:01:18am |
re: #524 Fozzie Bear
The jury decided on 25 to life. The prison decided it was time to parole him.
Once again, the system worked. Just because the victim was a cop doesn't make this man still dangerous.
I'm sure the family of NYPD Police Officer Stephen Gilroy who was killed by this murderer scumbag as well as the Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly and the rest of the police wont agree with you and neither will I.
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tnguitarist Thu, Jul 8, 2010 11:01:44am |
re: #527 alexknyc
Given the recidivism rate, our prisons don't seem to do a good job focusing on rehabilitation.
Because we don't spend the money on it. We just want to lock up people and throw away the key, regardless of their crime.
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jul 8, 2010 11:01:47am |
re: #523 NJDhockeyfan
Nice. Because you've had your ass handed to you and been exposed as ignorant, you turn around and start accusing those of us who do understand and respect the american legal system of 'supporting criminality'.
I know that bullshit used to play well here for some of you, but not any more. Why don't you just go Full Metal Wingnut and start calling us 'unamerican' and terrorist sympathisers?
That's usually the next step in the Dance of the Outraged Wingnut.
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Fozzie Bear Thu, Jul 8, 2010 11:02:32am |
#528 NJDhockeyfan
I'm sure the family of NYPD Police Officer Stephen Gilroy who was killed by this murderer scumbag as well as the Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly and the rest of the police wont agree with you and neither will I.
Well, that's why it's a damn good thing that the court system doesn't exist for the benefit of past victims. It exists to prevent future ones.
It isn't your personal grudge-fuck. It's the rule of law.
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McSpiff Thu, Jul 8, 2010 11:02:43am |
re: #528 NJDhockeyfan
I'm sure the family of NYPD Police Officer Stephen Gilroy who was killed by this murderer scumbag as well as the Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly and the rest of the police wont agree with you and neither will I.
And none of those opinions matter in the least. An impartial system is a bitch eh?
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tnguitarist Thu, Jul 8, 2010 11:02:51am |
re: #530 iceweasel
I wish I could upding that more than once.
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jul 8, 2010 11:04:05am |
re: #533 tnguitarist
I wish I could upding that more than once.
Thanks!
Glad you stuck around. Been dinging ya all day myself. :)
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tnguitarist Thu, Jul 8, 2010 11:04:06am |
re: #528 NJDhockeyfan
I'm sure the family of NYPD Police Officer Stephen Gilroy who was killed by this murderer scumbag as well as the Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly and the rest of the police wont agree with you and neither will I.
If cases were decided by the victims, we would put people in the gas chamber for stealing our cars.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Jul 8, 2010 11:05:36am |
re: #528 NJDhockeyfan
I'm sure the family of NYPD Police Officer Stephen Gilroy who was killed by this murderer scumbag as well as the Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly and the rest of the police wont agree with you and neither will I.
I don't understand why you're taking such an emotional stand here. You could be outraged that the SENTENCE was too light. That would be a logical place for outrage...that the crime deserved a life sentence with no possibility of parole.
But arguing that his release is an outrage is illogical. His release is normal, considering the sentence. It sounds like you feel the sentence was too light. Perhaps you should start to say what you mean, rather than saying things that don't make a lot of sense and leave you in a relatively indefensible position.
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McSpiff Thu, Jul 8, 2010 11:07:09am |
re: #536 Aceofwhat?
"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means..."
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Jul 8, 2010 11:07:36am |
re: #537 McSpiff
"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means..."
inconceivable!
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Obdicut Thu, Jul 8, 2010 11:08:32am |
John Adams defended the British Soldiers after the Boston Massacre.
It's part of what made him such an amazingly great man.
Justice requires a full-throated defense of the accused. Anything less is simply unAmerican.
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Gus Thu, Jul 8, 2010 11:10:06am |
re: #530 iceweasel
Nice. Because you've had your ass handed to you and been exposed as ignorant, you turn around and start accusing those of us who do understand and respect the american legal system of 'supporting criminality'.
I know that bullshit used to play well here for some of you, but not any more. Why don't you just go Full Metal Wingnut and start calling us 'unamerican' and terrorist sympathisers?
That's usually the next step in the Dance of the Outraged Wingnut.
To the music of the Wingnutcracker Suite, Op. 71a?
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McSpiff Thu, Jul 8, 2010 11:11:00am |
re: #539 Obdicut
John Adams defended the British Soldiers after the Boston Massacre.
It's part of what made him such an amazingly great man.
Justice requires a full-throated defense of the accused. Anything less is simply unAmerican.
We've left the Age of Reason. We're in the Age of the Gut. Anything that makes you uncomfortable is unAmerican.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Jul 8, 2010 11:11:16am |
re: #539 Obdicut
John Adams defended the British Soldiers after the Boston Massacre.
It's part of what made him such an amazingly great man.
Justice requires a full-throated defense of the accused. Anything less is simply unAmerican.
And John Quincy defended the Amistad folks, with significant help from Roger Baldwin.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Jul 8, 2010 11:12:13am |
re: #539 Obdicut
John Adams defended the British Soldiers after the Boston Massacre.
It's part of what made him such an amazingly great man.
Justice requires a full-throated defense of the accused. Anything less is simply unAmerican.
We of Adams descent tend to be highly intelligent and broadminded;)
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alexknyc Thu, Jul 8, 2010 11:12:20am |
re: #541 McSpiff
We've left the Age of Reason. We're in the Age of the Gut. Anything that makes you uncomfortable is unAmerican.
Just finished reading a great book with that exact premise.
"Idiot America" by Charles P. Pierce
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McSpiff Thu, Jul 8, 2010 11:13:15am |
re: #544 alexknyc
Just finished reading a great book with that exact premise.
"Idiot America" by Charles P. Pierce
Oo looks like a fun read, did you like it?
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Jul 8, 2010 11:13:30am |
re: #536 Aceofwhat?
But arguing that his release is an outrage is illogical. His release is normal, considering the sentence.
Explain why the police department is outraged.
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McSpiff Thu, Jul 8, 2010 11:14:23am |
re: #546 NJDhockeyfan
Explain why the police department is outraged.
Because they're having an emotional response. Which is completely normal, and also completely ignored by the system, for good reason.
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Fozzie Bear Thu, Jul 8, 2010 11:14:54am |
re: #546 NJDhockeyfan
Explain why the police department is outraged.
Because they disagree with the sentence. However, whether they agree or not is immaterial. The man did his time.
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alexknyc Thu, Jul 8, 2010 11:16:34am |
re: #545 McSpiff
Oo looks like a fun read, did you like it?
I did. I highly recommend it.
The subtitle is "How Stupidity Became a Virtue in the Land of the Free."
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tnguitarist Thu, Jul 8, 2010 11:18:27am |
re: #549 alexknyc
I did. I highly recommend it.
The subtitle is "How Stupidity Became a Virtue in the Land of the Free."
I received it as a gift, but still haven't read it.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Jul 8, 2010 11:18:30am |
re: #546 NJDhockeyfan
Explain why the police department is outraged.
they have a personal stake in the case. i do not begrudge them their emotions.
we have no personal stake, and therefore no reason to throw logic out of the bar.
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McSpiff Thu, Jul 8, 2010 11:21:48am |
re: #551 Aceofwhat?
Na, NJD is related to cops. He admitted its impossible for him to stay objective.
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abolitionist Thu, Jul 8, 2010 11:31:10am |
re: #458 ryannon
I could live with that very well: the availability of alternate beverages levels what has been a severely stacked playing field. People will still be able to get (diet) sodas from the machines, while cutting out the heavily sugared drinks is a net gain in health - and part of a net loss in weight.
Some science, anyone?
That Diet Soda Habit Might Be Killing Your Kidneys
Diet Sodas: Bad For Your Kidneys
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Jul 8, 2010 12:31:55pm |
re: #552 McSpiff
Na, NJD is related to cops. He admitted its impossible for him to stay objective.
fair enough. then i'd simply ask him gently not to ask us to discard logic along with him. we can be sympathetic without being illogical.
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garhighway Thu, Jul 8, 2010 12:40:42pm |
re: #400 NJDhockeyfan
Howdy lizards. I've been slowly catching up on the news the past week. Insanity rules I see. I just saw this a little while ago...the Obama administration has put Justice Department attorney Tony West in charge of the Arizona suit. Who is Tony West? He's John Walker Lindh's attorney. What is the WH thinking? Isn't there any better attorneys to chose from?
Walk me through that logic. Because someone represented an accused criminal, he or she is ineligible to do other forms of government legal work?
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ryannon Thu, Jul 8, 2010 3:08:44pm |
re: #518 Aceofwhat?
huh? you can still get diet sodas from existing machines.
either go full bore and outlaw heavily sugared drinks or regulate food in school and let adults be adults. this halfway crap is a waste of valuable regulatory dollars.
I'm an adult and I want to be able find nice cool cans of soya-bean milk in the dispensing machine along with diet Coke. I also like Dr. Pepper (industrial strength, not diet), so yeah, I guess I'd would be nice to find that too. The problem is, Big Cola is deciding that I shouldn't be able to purchase my soya-bean milk in vending machines they control. Perhaps a better solution would be to have two vending machines, one for the folks who like Dr. Pepper and the other for the tree huggers and their soya bean milk. Do we need laws for this in San Francisco? Maybe not. Maybe you're right (sort of). LGF is good in that way: makes you think things through.
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