The First Full-Sky Image from the Planck Microwave Telescope

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The ESA-NASA Planck spacecraft recently completed a year-long imaging project, surveying the entire sky in a range of microwave light frequencies from 30 to 857 gigahertz, and here’s the result — an oval projection, with the Milky Way as the bright center area. The cosmic microwave background left over from the Big Bang shows as the orange mottling at the top and bottom edges of the image.

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An animated video from the ESA shows how the Planck spacecraft acquired this stunning image:

Youtube Video

Planck’s View of the Whole Sky

This image of the microwave sky was synthesized using data spanning the range of light frequencies detected by Planck. These low frequencies, which cannot be seen with the human eye, cover the range of 30 to 857 gigahertz.

The grainy structure of the cosmic microwave background, with its tiny temperature fluctuations reflecting the density variations from which the cosmic web of our universe originated, is clearly visible in the high-latitude regions of the map.

A vast portion of the sky, extending well above and below the galactic plane, is dominated by the diffuse emission from gas and dust in our Milky Way galaxy. While the galactic foreground hides the cosmic microwave background signal from our view, it also highlights the extent of our galaxy’s large-scale structure.

Although the two main components of the microwave sky appear to be separable only in certain areas, a foreground removal over the entire sky is possible thanks to sophisticated image analysis techniques, which have been developed by the Planck scientific teams. These techniques rely on the observatory’s unique frequency coverage and the unprecedented accuracy of its measurements.

This image is derived from data collected by Planck during its first all-sky survey, and covers about 12 months of observations.

Image credit: ESA, HFI & LFI consortia (2010)

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218 comments
1 webevintage  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 3:07:36pm

wow….
and
amazing
and awesome…

2 lostlakehiker  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 3:07:42pm

The mother of all explosions. Still ringing the night sky.

3 Ebetty  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 3:16:16pm

Teh awesome. Seriously.

4 Four More Tears  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 3:17:37pm

re: #2 lostlakehiker

The mother of all explosions. Still ringing the night sky.

Expansion, not explosion.

5 wrenchwench  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 3:24:10pm

Cool video. Now I want to be inside the image, like in a planetarium.

6 Targetpractice  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 3:34:53pm

I’m not seein’ any globular clusters. This is so obviously gotta be a fake.

/

7 Gus  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 3:37:41pm

“Full Sky Map”->FSM->Flying Spaghetti Monster. And as @astronomyblog notes, there’s a hint of similarity there. Conicidence? 3:07 AM Jul 5th via web

Planck
ESA Planck

8 pharmmajor  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 3:42:21pm

Magnificent.

9 webevintage  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 3:48:56pm

Boreded Ceiling Cat makinkgz Urf n stuffs

1 Oh hai. In teh beginnin Ceiling Cat maded teh skiez An da Urfs, but he did not eated dem.

2 Da Urfs no had shapez An haded dark face, An Ceiling Cat rode invisible bike over teh waterz.

3 At start, no has lyte. An Ceiling Cat sayz, i can haz lite? An lite wuz.4 An Ceiling Cat sawed teh lite, to seez stuffs, An splitted teh lite from dark but taht wuz ok cuz kittehs can see in teh dark An not tripz over nethin.5 An Ceiling Cat sayed light Day An dark no Day. It were FURST!!!1

[Link: www.lolcatbible.com…]

10 wrenchwench  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 3:50:41pm

re: #9 webevintage

It were FURST!!!1

I think the Reform Lolcats say “Nawt secont”.

11 What, me worry?  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 3:57:51pm

I know it’s super early, but can I go OT?

Mel Gibson’s agent of 30 years dropped him.

[Link: latimesblogs.latimes.com…]

Can I get a “Woot! Woot!”

12 Stan the Demanded Plan  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 3:59:29pm

re: #11 marjoriemoon

I know it’s super early, but can I go OT?

Mel Gibson’s agent of 30 years dropped him.

[Link: latimesblogs.latimes.com…]

Can I get a “Woot! Woot!”

WOOT! WOOT!

Mel is a very very bad man.

13 Bagua  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 4:03:17pm

What is the deal with the cuts at NASA?

14 wrenchwench  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 4:17:14pm

re: #6 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I’m not seein’ any globular clusters. This is so obviously gotta be a fake.

/

Heard this on Stardate just last Wednesday:

Immigrant Clusters
Like fireflies circling around a searchlight, a swarm of old star clusters circles around the disk of the Milky Way galaxy. Most of them are locals — they formed as part of the Milky Way itself. But some of them appear to be latecomers: They were stripped from other galaxies that the Milky Way ingested.

These clusters are known as globulars. They’re tightly packed balls of hundreds of thousands of stars, most of which are as old as the galaxy itself. Most globulars inhabit the halo — a large volume of space around the galaxy’s bright disk of stars.

The largest globular is known as Omega Centauri. From around Miami, San Antonio — or even better, the islands of Hawaii — it’s low in the south at nightfall this evening. It looks like a tiny smudge of light.

[…]

15 TedStriker  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 4:19:02pm

re: #12 Stanley Sea

WOOT! WOOT!

Mel is a very very bad man.

While I respect Mel Gibson’s work in cinema, both as an actor and as a director (even if the end result was a bit cheesy sometimes), I’ll never respect the man after all the shit that’s come out about him. The sad thing is, the stuff that he did that was great (Braveheart, The Patriot, etc.) and or just enjoyable (the Lethal Weapon series, Air America, etc.), his legacy will now be forever overshadowed by the fact he is a deranged, abusive lunatic.

16 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 4:21:22pm

re: #4 JasonA

Expansion, not explosion.

…what is an explosion but a very rapid expansion?

…who has the bong?

17 Bagua  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 4:21:23pm

re: #15 talon_262

While I respect Mel Gibson’s work in cinema, both as an actor and as a director (even if the end result was a bit cheesy sometimes), I’ll never respect the man after all the shit that’s come out about him. The sad thing is, the stuff that he did that was great (Braveheart, The Patriot, etc.) and or just enjoyable (the Lethal Weapon series, Air America, etc.), his legacy will now be forever overshadowed by the fact he is a deranged, abusive lunatic.

Well said. I enjoyed some of his movies as well, but was just thinking about what a malignant narcissist he has proven to be in real life, and a vile one at that.

18 TedStriker  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 4:22:12pm

re: #15 talon_262

While I respect Mel Gibson’s work in cinema, both as an actor and as a director (even if the end result was a bit cheesy sometimes), I’ll never respect the man after all the shit that’s come out about him. The sad thing is, the stuff that he did that was great (Braveheart, The Patriot, etc.) and or just enjoyable (the Lethal Weapon series, Air America, etc.), his legacy will now be forever overshadowed by the fact he is a deranged, abusive lunatic.

Add into the “great” column The Road Warrior and Mad Max

19 iceweasel  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 4:25:04pm

re: #15 talon_262

While I respect Mel Gibson’s work in cinema, both as an actor and as a director (even if the end result was a bit cheesy sometimes), I’ll never respect the man after all the shit that’s come out about him. The sad thing is, the stuff that he did that was great (Braveheart, The Patriot, etc.) and or just enjoyable (the Lethal Weapon series, Air America, etc.), his legacy will now be forever overshadowed by the fact he is a deranged, abusive lunatic.

It’s just horrible.
I didn’t want to listen to the phone message, but I did, part of it. No transcript however faithful can convey the message in his tone of voice. This is a man who hates women violently.
(hates lots of other people too, like Jewish people, black people, but you can tell just from the way he speaks even without listening to the words that this is a man who is USED to talking to women like that.)

20 allegro  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 4:25:52pm

re: #15 talon_262

The sad thing is, the stuff that he did that was great (Braveheart, The Patriot, etc.) and or just enjoyable (the Lethal Weapon series, Air America, etc.), his legacy will now be forever overshadowed by the fact he is a deranged, abusive lunatic.

His Hamlet was the best I’ve ever seen. What an enormous talent. It is always discomforting watching a public melt-down. Clearly, something went very , very wrong with him or his life a few years ago and it just gets worse.

21 Ojoe  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 4:26:18pm

In the face of this overwhelming magnificence, people are worried about evolution?

22 allegro  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 4:27:20pm

re: #21 Ojoe

In the face of this overwhelming magnificence, people are worried about evolution?

It only worries those who seem to feel threatened by it for some reason. The rest of us are in awe of its elegance.

23 Gus  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 4:29:01pm

Misconceptions swirl around Obama space plan

Since its announcement earlier this year, President Barack Obama’s new space exploration vision for NASA has met with a firestorm of outcry, confusion and misunderstanding.

Some of the most common misconceptions are that the plan would take NASA out of the business of human spaceflight, that the President has introduced an untenable gap in U.S. spacefaring ability, and that NASA’s budget has been slashed. There have also been claims that the new plan was a secret political scheme designed by hidden architects behind closed doors.

SNIP

Killing the space program?

For now, misunderstanding and confusion about the plan remain common.

“The new administration didnt come in and kill the space program, but that’s what you’re hearing a lot,” said Leroy Chiao, former NASA astronaut and member of the Augustine committee, a blue-ribbon panel President Obama put together last year to review NASA’s plans.

In fact, the new proposal for NASA would increase the agency’s budget slightly, to $19 billion in 2011, a slight uptick from its 2010 budget of $18.3 billion.

24 What, me worry?  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 4:30:40pm

re: #15 talon_262

While I respect Mel Gibson’s work in cinema, both as an actor and as a director (even if the end result was a bit cheesy sometimes), I’ll never respect the man after all the shit that’s come out about him. The sad thing is, the stuff that he did that was great (Braveheart, The Patriot, etc.) and or just enjoyable (the Lethal Weapon series, Air America, etc.), his legacy will now be forever overshadowed by the fact he is a deranged, abusive lunatic.

I don’t know if I ever respected him, per se. I liked his acting and most his movies, and thought he was pretty fine looking. But this legacy he’s created is of his own doing.

He has a drinking problem and has had one for a long while. I suspect this is at the crux of all this. He’s been in recovery, in AA, but he’s not working his program, obviously.

25 iceweasel  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 4:36:10pm

re: #24 marjoriemoon

I don’t know if I ever respected him, per se. I liked his acting and most his movies, and thought he was pretty fine looking. But this legacy he’s created is of his own doing.

He has a drinking problem and has had one for a long while. I suspect this is at the crux of all this. He’s been in recovery, in AA, but he’s not working his program, obviously.

I don’t buy that, though. I know alcoholics. I have sympathy for people with addiction problems. But I don’t think a drinking problem turns you into someone you weren’t before. It’ll remove your inhibitions and mess up your impulse control and wreck your judgement, it can make otherwise good people act like assholes, but it wouldn’t make someone a misogynist, an antisemite, a racist, etc.
My opinion only, obviously.

26 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 4:36:25pm

re: #1 webevintage

wow…
and
amazing
and awesome…

all that and more!
I’m speechless.

27 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 4:37:20pm

re: #23 Gus 802

I think this is the important part….

President Obama also asked for an extra $6 billion over five years to support a new initiative to spur private companies to develop commercial spacecraft capable of ferrying astronauts to and from the International Space Station.

That commercial initiative may be partly to blame for the misperception held by some that NASA will stop flying astronauts to space. But it comes on the heels of NASA’s space shuttle retirement, which was initially announced in 2004 by former President George W. Bush as part of a then-new vision for space exploration

It is a real bummer that we don’t have a shuttle replacement ready to go. It’s going to take private companies a long time to develop the infrastructure and technology but maybe it’s the best thing in the long run. Space travel could become a major component of our economy in the future.

28 Bagua  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 4:39:08pm

re: #23 Gus 802

Thanks. I was having dinner with a NASA engineer and he seemed to think he was loosing his job and there were going to be a lot of programs slashed.

29 Bagua  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 4:40:39pm

re: #27 Killgore Trout

I think this is the important part…

It is a real bummer that we don’t have a shuttle replacement ready to go. It’s going to take private companies a long time to develop the infrastructure and technology but maybe it’s the best thing in the long run. Space travel could become a major component of our economy in the future.

Is it feasible to extend the shuttle program until replacements are ready?

30 allegro  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 4:40:42pm

Oh my, this is kinda sad…

Roy Rogers auction in NYC offering Trigger’s remains

Also being sold are the remains of bullet the Dog, and Nellybelle, the jeep.

31 brookly red  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 4:41:58pm

re: #27 Killgore Trout

I think this is the important part…

It is a real bummer that we don’t have a shuttle replacement ready to go. It’s going to take private companies a long time to develop the infrastructure and technology but maybe it’s the best thing in the long run. Space travel could become a major component of our economy in the future.

This is one that puzzles me, I can support privatizing some things but NASA is one of the few things I think the gubermint can actually do better than the private sector… oh well.

32 Gus  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 4:43:49pm

re: #27 Killgore Trout

re: #28 Bagua

Also need to keep in mind that it’s a proposed budget and changes submitted by the White House. The final decisions lies (per law) with congress who have been deliberating over this during the past few weeks.

Example:

Senate Panel Near Agreement on Bill to Roll Back NASA Changes
By KENNETH CHANG
Published: July 8, 2010

NEW ORLEANS — Republican and Democratic leaders on the Senate Committee on Commerce, Science and Transportation are moving toward an authorization bill that would reverse large swaths of President Obama’s proposed changes to NASA’s human space flight program, a ranking Republican involved in the talks confirmed…

There was an increase in the budget and changes. Part of that included the proposal to cancel the moon mission and the associated programs. That program still hasn’t found much support even under the current talks in congress.

33 What, me worry?  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 4:44:04pm

re: #25 iceweasel

I don’t buy that, though. I know alcoholics. I have sympathy for people with addiction problems. But I don’t think a drinking problem turns you into someone you weren’t before. It’ll remove your inhibitions and mess up your impulse control and wreck your judgement, it can make otherwise good people act like assholes, but it wouldn’t make someone a misogynist, an antisemite, a racist, etc.
My opinion only, obviously.

Yes, but it ruins relationships and careers and I do think it changes people. That is, excessive drinking over many years. Drugs do the same. Look at Whitney Houston and Amy Winehouse. Mel started when he was 13. He also said he’s manic depressive and tried to commit suicide at one point (if the wiki is accurate). So he’s aware he has issues, but needs to do a better job at dealing with them.

I’m not saying alcohol is an excuse. It’s not. He certainly has his choice to get the help he needs. When you’re in crisis mode, you should call a sponsor before you start pummeling your wife.

Personally I have little sympathy for movie stars who do these things. Poor schlubs like us don’t have the same kind of resources, therapy, medication, etc. to get help.

34 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 4:44:34pm

re: #29 Bagua

Is it feasible to extend the shuttle program until replacements are ready?

I don’t think so. Those things are like 30 years old by now. It’s probably not safe to push them too much longer.

35 SixDegrees  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 4:45:20pm
an oval projection

Just to be a pedant, it looks to be a Mollweide projection, which has the advantage of (mostly) preserving area across the entire map, making it a favorite for sky maps. It also shows up in whole earth weather maps for the same reason.

36 brookly red  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 4:45:29pm

re: #34 Killgore Trout

I don’t think so. Those things are like 30 years old by now. It’s probably not safe to push them too much longer.

/never trust anything over 30 huh? :)

37 albusteve  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 4:46:00pm

re: #27 Killgore Trout

I think this is the important part…

It is a real bummer that we don’t have a shuttle replacement ready to go. It’s going to take private companies a long time to develop the infrastructure and technology but maybe it’s the best thing in the long run. Space travel could become a major component of our economy in the future.

we do have this going like gangbusters….

Amid a remote stretch of desert landscape, New Mexico’s springboard to space is evolving into final form.


Construction activity is going at full throttle at the Sierra County location of New Mexico’s spaceport, which is billed as the world’s first site built strictly to launch commercial space vehicles. Officials hope to begin testing spacecraft prototypes next year.

[Link: www.businessweek.com…]

Richard Branson’s gig

38 wrenchwench  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 4:46:52pm

re: #30 allegro

Oh my, this is kinda sad…

Roy Rogers auction in NYC offering Trigger’s remains

Also being sold are the remains of bullet the Dog, and Nellybelle, the jeep.

Dale was lucky that she outlived him.

/

39 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 4:47:07pm

re: #31 brookly red

This is one that puzzles me, I can support privatizing some things but NASA is one of the few things I think the gubermint can actually do better than the private sector… oh well.

50 years ago that was true but things have changed. There are private companies launching satellites now. David Branson is even working on taking passengers into space. Maybe the time is right to let the private sector take up more of the capabilities.

40 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 4:48:12pm

re: #39 Killgore Trout

50 years ago that was true but things have changed. There are private companies launching satellites now. David Branson is even working on taking passengers into space. Maybe the time is right to let the private sector take up more of the capabilities.

…this is really crimping my “Obama is a socialist” campaign//

41 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 4:48:12pm

re: #36 brookly red

/never trust anything over 30 huh? :)

Heh. Not many people driving around in 30 year old cars these days.

42 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 4:48:15pm

re: #39 Killgore Trout

50 years ago that was true but things have changed. There are private companies launching satellites now. David Branson is even working on taking passengers into space. Maybe the time is right to let the private sector take up more of the capabilities.

I agree.
I think the government has gone just about as far as it can with this. Now is the time for private sector to take over and develop the commercial capabilities (if there are any).

43 allegro  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 4:50:03pm

re: #38 wrenchwench

Dale was lucky that she outlived him.

LOL! That took a second to sink in.

44 Bagua  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 4:50:20pm

Interesting. Prominent astronauts on both sides of the controversy.

Most recently, famed Apollo 11 astronaut Neil Armstrong – the first person to walk on the moon – and other lunar explorers spoke out against the plan in an e-mail statement sent to the media. Armstrong and fellow Apollo program astronauts Jim Lovell and Eugene Cernan called Obama’s space vision “devastating” to the United States’ spaceflight legacy.

“To be without carriage to low Earth orbit and with no human exploration capability to go beyond Earth orbit for an indeterminate time into the future, destines our nation to become one of second- or even third-rate stature,” the former astronauts wrote.

Other critics blasted the plan because of its initial apparent lack of destination, while supporters contend that it will free NASA to tackle more ambitious space missions by using commercial vehicles to ferry American astronauts to low-Earth orbit.

Those supporters include Buzz Aldrin, who landed on the moon with Armstrong during the 1969 Apollo 11 mission.

45 brookly red  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 4:51:41pm

re: #39 Killgore Trout

50 years ago that was true but things have changed. There are private companies launching satellites now. David Branson is even working on taking passengers into space. Maybe the time is right to let the private sector take up more of the capabilities.

perhaps, perhaps… I do like the idea of the private sector being empowered, but my only apprehension is the close relationship between space technology and military applications. We shall see I guess.

46 Gus  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 4:52:21pm

re: #42 reine.de.tout

I agree.
I think the government has gone just about as far as it can with this. Now is the time for private sector to take over and develop the commercial capabilities (if there are any).

At this point I can’t think of any other than space tourism. As it stands now there are many privatized aspect of NASA. The launch vehicles, materials, vendors, etc., are all designed and produced by private manufacturers.

47 TedStriker  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 4:52:26pm

re: #42 reine.de.tout

I agree.
I think the government has gone just about as far as it can with this. Now is the time for private sector to take over and develop the commercial capabilities (if there are any).

Oh, there are oodles of commercial possibilities for space travel and exploration…tourism and mining for resources on the Moon and elsewhere are two of the biggies, but not the only possibilities. Whoever can make those a reality will be rich beyonds the dreams of avarice…

48 brookly red  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 4:52:34pm

re: #41 Killgore Trout

Heh. Not many people driving around in 30 year old cars these days.

wish I still had my 69 Cuda fastback :(

49 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 4:53:01pm

Just up in pages too:
Rosetta triumphs at asteroid Lutetia

This is our first close-up look at one of the big asteroids (long axis 100 km). These images show features down to about 60m across.

50 SixDegrees  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 4:53:20pm

re: #29 Bagua

Is it feasible to extend the shuttle program until replacements are ready?

Many of the shuttle components - the heat shield tiles, onboard computers and a number of others - are no longer manufactured, and cannot easily be brought back into production. Even if they were, they would require an extensive, costly round of flight certification before they could be used, which would take several years.

This is the main reason for shutting the program down; they’re running out of spare parts.

The loss of the shuttle will leave the US without significant heavy lift capabilities, which will have a long, detrimental effect on the space program as a whole. We simply won’t be able to get projects like Hubble, Cassini or Chandra off the ground anymore.

And last time I looked, NASA’s budget represented a tiny fraction of 1% of the entire Federal budget. The money “saved” by eliminating it entirely wouldn’t be sufficient to run Social Security for more than a few hours.

51 Bagua  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 4:55:24pm

re: #40 Aceofwhat?

…this is really crimping my “Obama is a socialist” campaign//

It’s interesting. Also a proposal I had read that involved using private contractors aka independent experts to either take on or assist in some of the responsibilities of the MMS in regulating oil and gas drilling.

52 brookly red  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 4:55:41pm

re: #40 Aceofwhat?

…this is really crimping my “Obama is a socialist” campaign//

it is a puzzelment…

53 Gus  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 4:56:27pm

re: #50 SixDegrees

Many of the shuttle components - the heat shield tiles, onboard computers and a number of others - are no longer manufactured, and cannot easily be brought back into production. Even if they were, they would require an extensive, costly round of flight certification before they could be used, which would take several years.

This is the main reason for shutting the program down; they’re running out of spare parts.

The loss of the shuttle will leave the US without significant heavy lift capabilities, which will have a long, detrimental effect on the space program as a whole. We simply won’t be able to get projects like Hubble, Cassini or Chandra off the ground anymore.

And last time I looked, NASA’s budget represented a tiny fraction of 1% of the entire Federal budget. The money “saved” by eliminating it entirely wouldn’t be sufficient to run Social Security for more than a few hours.

NASA is largely a management, research, training and mission entity. The budget for the hardware goes to the private sector. I don’t see much change in the way this operates. For example, one couldn’t see Hubble or the Planck Microwave Telescope generating a profit under a private operation.

54 albusteve  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 4:56:57pm

re: #51 Bagua

It’s interesting. Also a proposal I had read that involved using private contractors aka independent experts to either take on or assist in some of the responsibilities of the MMS in regulating oil and gas drilling.

the Starship Private Enterprise

55 darthstar  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 4:57:22pm

re: #40 Aceofwhat?

…this is really crimping my “Obama is a socialist” campaign//

Just imagine a crescent around each of the stars in the picture, or give it a few days, and someone on a news network will add them for you.

56 Four More Tears  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 4:57:46pm

re: #40 Aceofwhat?

…this is really crimping my “Obama is a socialist” campaign//

That’s because you think shit through. Just make a sign of him in Joker face and ride the wave.

57 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 4:58:55pm

re: #55 darthstar
re: #56 JasonA


well done, lads…

58 Bagua  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 4:58:59pm

re: #56 JasonA

That’s because you think shit through. Just make a sign of him in Joker face and ride the wave.

Yep, once you demonise someone, everything they do is seen in the worst possible light.

59 Gus  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 5:00:09pm

re: #41 Killgore Trout

Heh. Not many people driving around in 30 year old cars these days.

Image: 1980Spirit800x600.jpg

60 brookly red  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 5:00:30pm

re: #58 Bagua

Yep, once you demonise someone, everything they do is seen in the worst possible light.

/so there must be some f’ed side to this just out of reach…

61 Bagua  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 5:01:23pm

re: #60 brookly red

/so there must be some f’ed side to this just out of reach…

Heh.

62 darthstar  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 5:02:29pm

re: #58 Bagua

Yep, once you demonise someone, everything they do is seen in the worst possible light.

Not necessarily. I demonized you, and yet I don’t see everything you do in the worst possible light.

63 darthstar  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 5:02:47pm

re: #62 darthstar

Not necessarily. I demonized you, and yet I don’t see everything you do in the worst possible light.///

fuck…forgot the sarc tag.

64 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 5:03:54pm

re: #63 darthstar

fuck…forgot the sarc tag.

right…because for a second there i thought you were seeerious/

65 Bagua  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 5:04:59pm

re: #62 darthstar

Ha!

I think I look quite dashing in that photo.

66 albusteve  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 5:08:37pm

re: #65 Bagua

Ha!

I think I look quite dashing in that photo.

bah…without the pitch fork, you’d be just another horned guy

67 Jeff In Ohio  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 5:10:52pm

re: #63 darthstar

fuck…forgot the sarc tag.

I downdinged you for using the sarc tag after the fact.

68 TedStriker  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 5:11:04pm

re: #66 albusteve

bah…without the pitch fork, you’d be just another horned horny guy

FTFY ;-P

69 darthstar  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 5:11:37pm

re: #67 Jeff In Ohio

I downdinged you for using the sarc tag after the fact.

rimshot payback for yesterday! Well played, sir, well played indeed.

70 Bagua  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 5:12:38pm

re: #66 albusteve

bah…without the pitch fork, you’d be just another horned guy

I’d rather be the devil… to be that woman’s man

Evil Devil Woman Blues


- Joe McCoy
71 Ojoe  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 5:14:21pm
72 Cato the Elder  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 5:14:37pm

Thinking about Pam’s latest shriek from the last thread.

She really ought to be congratulated. This level of insanity almost approaches genius.

In her eyes, everything a Muslim does is part of the jihad. A mosque “in the shadow of Ground Zero”? It’s there to help guide in the planes! A peaceful, intercultural mosque? It’s taqiyya! And kitman! Women wearing veils? Same thing, only worse (unless it’s an Orthodox Jewish veil)!

But now, in case one of those people who actually, indubitably are planning for a new catastrophic attack on US soil manages to slip through the net, it will be the fault of the Democrats. Even if al Qaeda claims responsibility, that will merely be a smokescreen to cover for Nancy Pelosi. You can see it in her eyes! Once she blinks a certain way during a speech, we’re doomed! DOOMED!

I miss the days when people could be committed for psychiatric observation on grounds such as Geller amply gives.

73 Bagua  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 5:15:13pm

re: #71 Ojoe

Forbidden 403

74 Ojoe  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 5:17:08pm

re: #73 Bagua

AMC Pacer.

75 TedStriker  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 5:18:09pm

re: #74 Ojoe

AMC Pacer.

The Pacer was a fucking piece of automotive art compared to the Gremlin…

76 TedStriker  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 5:18:44pm

re: #75 talon_262

The Gremlin was just ugly as sin…

77 Stan the Demanded Plan  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 5:19:38pm

re: #74 Ojoe

AMC Pacer.

You could fit a lot of people into a Pacer.

78 wii42  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 5:19:44pm

One upding for ‘embiggen’.

79 Bagua  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 5:20:32pm

re: #78 wii42

One upding for ‘embiggen’.

Heh, size counts.

80 albusteve  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 5:21:02pm

re: #75 talon_262

The Pacer was a fucking piece of automotive art compared to the Gremlin…

I liked it…very aerodynamic and a lot of glass…friend of mine had one, and I saw nothing wrong with it, but I know nothing of the mechanics

81 Jeff In Ohio  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 5:21:54pm

re: #77 Stanley Sea

You could fit a lot of people into a Pacer.

The Pacer always reminds me of Queen:

82 Cato the Elder  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 5:22:05pm

Thinking about Pam’s latest shriek from the last thread.

She really ought to be congratulated. This level of insanity almost approaches genius.

In her eyes, everything a Muslim does is part of the jihad. A mosque “in the shadow of Ground Zero”? It’s there to help guide in the planes! A peaceful, intercultural mosque? It’s taqiyya! And kitman! Women wearing veils? Same thing, only worse (unless it’s an Orthodox Jewish veil)!

But now, in case one of those people who actually, indubitably are planning for a new catastrophic attack on US soil manages to slip through the net, it will be the fault of the Democrats. Even if al Qaeda claims responsibility, that will merely be a smokescreen to cover for Nancy Pelosi. You can see it in her eyes! Once she blinks a certain way during a speech, we’re doomed! DOOMED!

I miss the days when people could be committed for psychiatric observation on grounds such as Geller amply gives.

83 Four More Tears  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 5:23:19pm

re: #82 Cato the Elder

Deja vu?

84 Jeff In Ohio  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 5:24:53pm

re: #83 JasonA

Deja vu?

What?

85 rwdflynavy  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 5:25:44pm

re: #83 JasonA

Deja vu?

Again?

86 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 5:25:44pm

re: #82 Cato the Elder

what’s the use of having two personalities if you can’t get them to multitask/

87 Cato the Elder  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 5:25:52pm

re: #83 JasonA

Deja vu?

Crap.

Firefox cut out on me, and when I came back, the post was still unposted, even though I’d already posted it. If that makes any sense.

Charles, please delete the repeat post, if you like.

88 wrenchwench  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 5:26:05pm

re: #77 Stanley Sea

You could fit a lot of people into a Pacer.

We put 11 people in a Karmann Ghia once.

It helped that most of them were not fully grown.

89 Four More Tears  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 5:26:51pm

re: #87 Cato the Elder

Crap.

Firefox cut out on me, and when I came back, the post was still unposted, even though I’d already posted it. If that makes any sense.

Charles, please delete the repeat post, if you like.


For a second I thought you just couldn’t get Pam out of your head. :)

90 Stan the Demanded Plan  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 5:27:23pm

re: #88 wrenchwench

We put 11 people in a Karmann Ghia once.

It helped that most of them were not fully grown.

LOL

Yep, when we did that with the Pacer we weren’t all that big. I was in the back of course, kind of bent into a c-shape to meld with the back window.

91 Ojoe  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 5:27:26pm

re: #75 talon_262

Actually I think the Pacer is an elegant design & undeservedly made fun of.

That current box car called the “Cube,” now that’s ugly. I have changed lanes to get away from them.

92 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 5:28:48pm

re: #82 Cato the Elder

It also becomes very dangerous if there is a terrorist incident. There are going to be people on the right convinced that the government has declared war on the citizens. If it was just some lame blogger it wouldn’t be much of a problem but her paranoia is unfortunately widespread.

93 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 5:29:05pm

re: #91 Ojoe

Actually I think the Pacer is an elegant design & undeservedly made fun of.

That current box car called the “Cube,” now that’s ugly. I have changed lanes to get away from them.

I call those Frodo-mobiles since they are exactly the kind of cars hobbits would drive if hobbits drove cars.

94 darthstar  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 5:29:08pm

Speaking of cars, the last PT Cruiser rolled off the line in Mexico. I’m glad that piece of crap on a Dodge Neon frame is finally gone. When I see one of those, I question the judgment of its owner.

95 Ojoe  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 5:30:24pm

re: #93 Shiplord Kirel

Good thing Hobbits didn’t have cars.

96 wrenchwench  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 5:30:31pm

re: #87 Cato the Elder

Crap.

Firefox cut out on me, and when I came back, the post was still unposted, even though I’d already posted it. If that makes any sense.

Charles, please delete the repeat post, if you like.

I often get that posted post reappearing in the comment box if I reload. I’ve learned to watch for it and delete it.

97 What, me worry?  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 5:31:09pm

re: #91 Ojoe

Actually I think the Pacer is an elegant design & undeservedly made fun of.

That current box car called the “Cube,” now that’s ugly. I have changed lanes to get away from them.

The Electric Pacer.

98 Stan the Demanded Plan  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 5:31:09pm

re: #94 darthstar

Speaking of cars, the last PT Cruiser rolled off the line in Mexico. I’m glad that piece of crap on a Dodge Neon frame is finally gone. When I see one of those, I question the judgment of its owner.

My 80 year old aunt. Be very careful while driving in Las Vegas. Look out for the PT’s. All I can say.

Oh, my 84 year old uncle drives a prius.

99 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 5:31:34pm

re: #94 darthstar

Speaking of cars, the last PT Cruiser rolled off the line in Mexico. I’m glad that piece of crap on a Dodge Neon frame is finally gone. When I see one of those, I question the judgment of its owner.

My ex-girlfriend had one of those, a gold one with the tacky fake wood trim no less. She dumped me a couple of years ago, so, yeah, her judgment is obviously suspect.

100 wrenchwench  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 5:31:35pm

re: #90 Stanley Sea

LOL

Yep, when we did that with the Pacer we weren’t all that big. I was in the back of course, kind of bent into a c-shape to meld with the back window.

I rode in the back “seat” of the Karmann Ghia from LA to San Jose once. I was almost fully grown, but I had the back to myself, with that little “luggage compartment” open for the extra cubic foot or two.

101 HoosierHoops  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 5:32:15pm

re: #78 wii42

One upding for ‘embiggen’.

embiggen goes way back in internet lore…I think the first time I saw it was years ago on the Carnival of space series…
[Link: www.universetoday.com…]

102 Ojoe  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 5:32:48pm

Another cool car.

Since we’re talking cool+wierd.

103 b_sharp  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 5:33:28pm

re: #12 Stanley Sea

WOOT! WOOT!

Mel is a very very bad man.

Mel is sick in the head. The same head he forgets to use.

104 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 5:34:33pm

re: #100 wrenchwench

I rode in the back “seat” of the Karmann Ghia from LA to San Jose once. I was almost fully grown, but I had the back to myself, with that little “luggage compartment” open for the extra cubic foot or two.

Like the Porsche 911, the KG had “2+2” seating, presumably meaning two people and two hobbits or leprechauns or something like that.

105 brookly red  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 5:35:21pm

re: #99 Shiplord Kirel

My ex-girlfriend had one of those, a gold one with the tacky fake wood trim no less. She dumped me a couple of years ago, so, yeah, her judgment is obviously suspect.

fake wood is fake wood..

106 b_sharp  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 5:35:36pm

re: #16 Aceofwhat?

…what is an explosion but a very rapid expansion?

…who has the bong?

It wasn’t an explosion, nor an expansion, it was a giant toffee pull.

I got the bong right here.

And the toffee.

107 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 5:36:15pm

re: #106 b_sharp

It wasn’t an explosion, nor an expansion, it was a giant toffee pull.

I got the bong right here.

And the toffee.

i’m on my way…

108 Political Atheist  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 5:36:31pm

re: #104 Shiplord Kirel

I always thought that meant 2 people plus two lunch boxes. Huh. In my MG B it did.

109 TedStriker  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 5:36:37pm

re: #94 darthstar

Speaking of cars, the last PT Cruiser rolled off the line in Mexico. I’m glad that piece of crap on a Dodge Neon frame is finally gone. When I see one of those, I question the judgment of its owner.

C’mon…when the PT Cruiser came on the scene, there were few mass-market cars that looked that good and stood out (I’d argue that the Plymouth Prowler was another standout, but its limited production [compared to the Cruiser] and the death of the Plymouth brand puts a damper on that). The problem, aside from any mechanical deficiencies of the platform, is that the design remained relatively unchanged for almost its entire run, thorughout the management musical chairs with Daimler-Benz, Cerberus, nd now Fiat…the design just got old and stale, a me-too car (witness Chevy’s HHR, a Cruiser clone).

110 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 5:37:33pm

re: #109 talon_262

“looked that good”???

yowza.

111 Ojoe  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 5:38:21pm

BBL

112 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 5:38:40pm

re: #108 Rightwingconspirator

I always thought that meant 2 people plus two lunch boxes. Huh. In my MG B it did.

We got 4 adults and 4 parachutes into a 66 Corvette, NYC to Lakewood.

113 TedStriker  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 5:39:17pm

re: #110 Aceofwhat?

“looked that good”???

yowza.

Compared to most minivans and econoboxes that were out there when the PT Cruiser first came out, the Cruiser had personality.

114 Political Atheist  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 5:40:43pm

re: #112 Decatur Deb

I hope you made everyone keep one hand over the ‘chute release all the way too. Just like in the plane…

115 brookly red  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 5:41:05pm

speaking of cars, they are just finishing up the clean up the “smart car” that got rear ended by a taxi down the street. The EMS guy said he would be OK but I am thinking not so much…

116 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 5:41:37pm

re: #114 Rightwingconspirator

I hope you made everyone keep one hand over the ‘chute release all the way too. Just like in the plane…

Should have had the door off.

117 Bagua  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 5:42:46pm

re: #113 talon_262

Compared to most minivans and econoboxes that were out there when the PT Cruiser first came out, the Cruiser had personality.

I’ve rented one a couple of times, actually quite pleasant to drive, and great for moving boxes and such.

118 What, me worry?  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 5:42:47pm

re: #115 brookly red

speaking of cars, they are just finishing up the clean up the “smart car” that got rear ended by a taxi down the street. The EMS guy said he would be OK but I am thinking not so much…

I thought those things could withstand high impacts.

119 Political Atheist  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 5:44:23pm

re: #116 Decatur Deb

Heh. There may not be time for the reserve to open entirely…

120 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 5:44:38pm

re: #115 brookly red

speaking of cars, they are just finishing up the clean up the “smart car” that got rear ended by a taxi down the street. The EMS guy said he would be OK but I am thinking not so much…

an NYC taxi driver caused an accident? say it’s not so/

121 albusteve  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 5:45:04pm

re: #104 Shiplord Kirel

Like the Porsche 911, the KG had “2+2” seating, presumably meaning two people and two hobbits or leprechauns or something like that.

two people and two cases

122 steve_davis  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 5:45:33pm

re: #9 webevintage

And then basement cat introduced sin into the world, which is nothing more than disobedience. This is because basement cat is a prideful pootie. He is not immortal, but he does have 9+n lives, with n being unknown.

123 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 5:45:33pm

What the twitter etiquette with followers? Is it implied that I should reciprocate when someone signs up to follow me?

124 wii42  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 5:46:06pm

re: #101 HoosierHoops

Hmm - I thought it was from the Simpsons. Thanks for the link.

125 TedStriker  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 5:47:48pm

re: #124 wii42

Hmm - I thought it was from the Simpsons. Thanks for the link.

It is from The Simpsons…see Jebediah Springfield.

126 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 5:48:04pm

bbl

127 What, me worry?  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 5:48:34pm

re: #113 talon_262

Compared to most minivans and econoboxes that were out there when the PT Cruiser first came out, the Cruiser had personality.

I looked at the Jeep Compass when I was shopping a couple years ago. I had a Bronco II for 14 years and I wanted another mini-SUV type. I prefer a standard transmission, but they put the stick on the console, like where the radio is. Very bizarre. And the back window was really small. The pickup was also lousy.

I scraped the whole SUV idea and ended up with a Mazda3. It’s your mom’s car, not terribly sporty, but a superb vehicle ottherwise.

128 Cato the Elder  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 5:49:30pm

re: #104 Shiplord Kirel

Like the Porsche 911, the KG had “2+2” seating, presumably meaning two people and two hobbits or leprechauns or something like that.

A true gentleman never takes a trip in his 911 without the serving hobbits.

129 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 5:49:49pm

re: #119 Rightwingconspirator

Heh. There may not be time for the reserve to open entirely…

When in doubt, punch it out:

[Link: vids.myspace.com…]

130 wii42  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 5:50:32pm

re: #101 HoosierHoops

Actually, I didn’t find ‘embiggen’ at that link (a bunch of other links…) - maybe it did come from the Simpsons? For sure I’d give them credit for popularizing it.

131 Stan the Demanded Plan  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 5:52:07pm

You know what’s stressful?

Having a battery powered mouse with no new batteries in the house.

Starting to fade.

CRAP

132 wrenchwench  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 5:52:21pm

re: #123 Killgore Trout

What the twitter etiquette with followers? Is it implied that I should reciprocate when someone signs up to follow me?

Etiquette schmetiquette—I blocked all of them except my brother and another guy I’m acquainted with. Watch out for the half-dressed girls and the ones who are just trying to get their “follower” numbers up.

133 Irenicum  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 5:52:57pm

re: #131 Stanley Sea

I wondered where that squeaking was coming from.

134 What, me worry?  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 5:52:58pm

re: #131 Stanley Sea

You know what’s stressful?

Having a battery powered mouse with no new batteries in the house.

Starting to fade.

CRAP

Oh no! You don’t have a spare handy?

135 HoosierHoops  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 5:52:59pm

re: #124 wii42

Hmm - I thought it was from the Simpsons. Thanks for the link.

Hi Dude! No it goes way way back in geek lore….I think Phil was using it way back in the Hubble days..Am I right on that Charles? I remember it goes way back to early Internet days…Those NASA geek were embigging everything

136 Four More Tears  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 5:53:20pm

re: #131 Stanley Sea

You know what’s stressful?

Having a battery powered mouse with no new batteries in the house.

Starting to fade.

CRAP

Are you on a desktop or laptop?

137 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 5:53:26pm

re: #123 Killgore Trout

What the twitter etiquette with followers? Is it implied that I should reciprocate when someone signs up to follow me?

Naw.

138 b_sharp  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 5:53:50pm

re: #105 brookly red

fake wood is fake wood..

I don’t need no Viagra.

139 Stan the Demanded Plan  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 5:54:19pm

re: #134 marjoriemoon

Oh no! You don’t have a spare handy?

Well I guess I can steal from others…not thinking am I?

140 Irenicum  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 5:54:27pm

re: #137 reine.de.tout

I pick and choose carefully who I reciprocate with A lot of follows I get are nothing more than spam.

141 Stan the Demanded Plan  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 5:54:39pm

re: #136 JasonA

Are you on a desktop or laptop?

Laptop with a broken pad. Pitiful

142 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 5:54:58pm

re: #131 Stanley Sea

You know what’s stressful?

Having a battery powered mouse with no new batteries in the house.

Starting to fade.

CRAP

My battery powered mouse goes through batteries really fast.
I have learned to keep a very large supply of batteries on hand.
Like, the biggest pack of double-A batteries I can find.

143 Stan the Demanded Plan  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 5:55:41pm

re: #142 reine.de.tout

My battery powered mouse goes through batteries really fast.
I have learned to keep a very large supply of batteries on hand.
Like, the biggest pack of double-A batteries I can find.

Exactly. Usually. I also take the batteries out overnight.

144 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 5:55:57pm

re: #140 Irenicum

I pick and choose carefully who I reciprocate with A lot of follows I get are nothing more than spam.

I’m set up so that if anyone follows me, I get an e-mail notice. If I don’t recognize the name, I check their profile. A lot of these seem to be sales accounts or spammer accounts, and I just block ‘em.

145 Irenicum  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 5:56:14pm

re: #140 Irenicum

But I’m glad we reciprocate! ;)

146 What, me worry?  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 5:56:31pm

re: #139 Stanley Sea

Well I guess I can steal from others…not thinking am I?

We have a whole back room full of parts for such emergencies.

147 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 5:56:31pm

re: #131 Stanley Sea

You know what’s stressful?

Having a battery powered mouse with no new batteries in the house.

Starting to fade.

CRAP

Raid the TV remote.

148 What, me worry?  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 5:56:53pm

re: #141 Stanley Sea

Laptop with a broken pad. Pitiful

Oh well, that is a problem.

149 Irenicum  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 5:57:10pm

re: #144 reine.de.tout

Oops, meant that for you not me!

But I’m glad we reciprocate! ;)

150 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 5:57:32pm

re: #132 wrenchwench

Etiquette schmetiquette—I blocked all of them except my brother and another guy I’m acquainted with. Watch out for the half-dressed girls and the ones who are just trying to get their “follower” numbers up.

The etiquette is:
You follow only who and what you are interested in. I have several news agencies that I follow.

151 b_sharp  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 5:57:52pm

re: #131 Stanley Sea

You know what’s stressful?

Having a battery powered mouse with no new batteries in the house.

Starting to fade.

CRAP

Do something novel, use the keyboard.

152 Four More Tears  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 5:57:56pm

re: #141 Stanley Sea

Laptop with a broken pad. Pitiful

Oh. Ouch. I hate the pad, anyway.

153 Irenicum  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 5:58:48pm

re: #150 reine.de.tout

Same with me. I getting my breaking news through twitter all the time.

154 iceweasel  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 5:59:02pm

re: #132 wrenchwench

Etiquette schmetiquette—I blocked all of them except my brother and another guy I’m acquainted with. Watch out for the half-dressed girls and the ones who are just trying to get their “follower” numbers up.

Worse than that goes on, though, if you are political tweeting (is that a term? it is now) and follow other political sites. Jimmah and I picked up a ‘follower’ (probably because we follow the ACLU) that pretends to be a civil rights/first amendment thinktank— sourcewatch revealed that they’re a theocratic front group that only carries about ‘civil liberties’ that involve protecting hate speech and the rights of bigots to hate on gay people.

Their website wasn’t anything that immediately looked suspicious, either. I just had a hunch and ran it through SW.
Blocked.

155 brownbagj  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 6:00:22pm

Hit f5 for refresh and use the tab key to get where you want for anything else.

156 Irenicum  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 6:01:14pm

re: #154 iceweasel

Wow. Do you remember what they are called? Because I follow several civil and human rights groups also (ACLU, HRC, HRW, etc).

157 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 6:02:24pm

re: #153 Irenicum

Same with me. I getting my breaking news through twitter all the time.

I get the news I need on the weather report.

158 Irenicum  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 6:02:27pm

I need a good Lay. Should I go with Sour Cream and Onion or Classic?

159 iceweasel  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 6:02:57pm

re: #156 Irenicum

Wow. Do you remember what they are called? Because I follow several civil and human rights groups also (ACLU, HRC, HRW, etc).

i mentioned it here when it happened— I’ll find their name. Yes, if you follow groups like that they’re likely to follow you. I guess they’re hoping to deceive you into retweeting their garbage. BRB.

160 Irenicum  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 6:03:06pm

re: #157 Decatur Deb

I love that song!

161 Political Atheist  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 6:03:20pm

re: #142 reine.de.tout

My battery powered mouse goes through batteries really fast.
I have learned to keep a very large supply of batteries on hand.
Like, the biggest pack of double-A batteries I can find.

Some engineering genius should use the mechanical energy available for a self powered mouse. Or… A wind up mouse?!

162 Irenicum  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 6:03:24pm

re: #159 iceweasel

Thanks!

163 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 6:03:43pm

re: #158 Irenicum
Sour Cream and Onion

164 Political Atheist  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 6:04:03pm

re: #158 Irenicum

I need a good Lay. Should I go with Sour Cream and Onion or Classic?

Go wild. Get the sour cream & onion.

165 Irenicum  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 6:04:43pm

re: #163 PhillyPretzel

re: #164 Rightwingconspirator

Thanks, I was definitely leaning that way.

166 brookly red  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 6:04:58pm

re: #118 marjoriemoon

I thought those things could withstand high impacts.

I won’t get in one.

167 What, me worry?  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 6:05:38pm

re: #158 Irenicum

I need a good Lay. Should I go with Sour Cream and Onion or Classic?

You’re going to make me say it. You can’t eat just one.

168 Irenicum  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 6:06:24pm

re: #167 marjoriemoon

Once I start I can’t stop!

169 What, me worry?  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 6:07:01pm

re: #166 brookly red

I won’t get in one.

If I lived in the country in a town with a population of 5,000 maybe, but in the big city, they look pretty scary.

170 Political Atheist  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 6:08:21pm

Wow. SoCal Connected, a local community interest show is exposing the Department Of Water and Power/IBEW excesses. Just eye popping.

171 brookly red  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 6:09:58pm

re: #169 marjoriemoon

If I lived in the country in a town with a population of 5,000 maybe, but in the big city, they look pretty scary.

same with motorcycles I guess, not very forgiving.

172 Irenicum  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 6:10:10pm

re: #165 Irenicum

Aw crap. Eating the Sour Cream and Onion reminds me. Guinness run. BBL.

173 albusteve  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 6:11:41pm

I use the Logitech wireless keyboard and mouse for my pc…$30 and I love em, but oddley there is no back button….wtf?

174 wrenchwench  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 6:12:51pm

Shameless Page promotion. Just click my nic. My two most recent additions are bittersweet—mostly sweet with the bitter in the background, and when you scroll down to the fifth entry, you find some humor.

See y’all Monday.

175 albusteve  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 6:14:33pm

re: #171 brookly red

same with motorcycles I guess, not very forgiving.

there are many Smart Cars in ABQ, but thousands and thousands of bikes

176 brookly red  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 6:15:01pm

re: #173 albusteve

I use the Logitech wireless keyboard and mouse for my pc…$30 and I love em, but oddley there is no back button…wtf?

no wires no security… well hard wired ain’t so safe either.

177 brookly red  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 6:15:57pm

re: #175 albusteve

there are many Smart Cars in ABQ, but thousands and thousands of bikes

the biker has a fighting chance…

178 albusteve  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 6:16:02pm

re: #176 brookly red

no wires no security… well hard wired ain’t so safe either.

convenience rules

179 albusteve  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 6:17:23pm

re: #177 brookly red

the biker has a fighting chance…

I’ve yet, in 6 years, seen a bike down….everybody is very wary of them…and some cool choppers? oh man

180 iceweasel  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 6:17:25pm

re: #162 Irenicum

Thanks!

Here you go. the rutherford institute— watch out. We had to block them.

Source watch:

The Rutherford Institute claims to be “Dedicated to defending civil liberties and human rights”.

Glancing over the headlines on the home page, the site does not immediately seem inconsistent with that motto. But gay people criticise the organization for a homophobic agenda, which is a hint that the organization may not be what it claims.

Wiki:

Early members of the Rutherford Institute’s board of directors included California millionaire Howard Ahmanson, Jr.,, as well as prominent fundamentalist activists such as Francis Schaeffer and R.J. Rushdoony of the Chalcedon Foundation, a West Coast Christian think tank in which the Christian Reconstructionist Movement was born in the 1960s. The early activities of the Rutherford Institute reflected this, and tended to focus on cases involving public primary and secondary education. It was especially active and often successful in trying to stop condom distribution in public schools, as well as sex education, AIDS prevention programs, and programs that taught certain types of tolerance.

Within a few years, though, Whitehead had begun to move away from the Christian Reconstructionist Movement, disassociating himself from some organizations, such as the Coalition on Revival, and broadening the scope of the Rutherford Institute’s interests.

I’ve been extremely lax about paying attention to our twitter acct and who follows us lately. It’s definitely a good idea to keep an eye on it, and any ‘institute’ or organisation you’ve never heard of before that starts following you, check em out.

I expect a lot more of this sort of thing to go on as social networking grows.

181 HoosierHoops  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 6:17:29pm

re: #176 brookly red

no wires no security… well hard wired ain’t so safe either.

What? you crazy Diamond..WPA2 Wireless security? Rocks

182 wii42  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 6:19:01pm

re: #135 HoosierHoops

Here’s what Wikipedia says about ‘embiggen’, FWIW. 1884 cite.

183 Political Atheist  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 6:19:59pm

re: #181 HoosierHoops

What? you crazy Diamond..WPA2 Wireless security? Rocks


?

Brookly did you mean the network or key loggers?

184 brookly red  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 6:21:36pm

re: #183 Rightwingconspirator

?

Brookly did you mean the network or key loggers?

I mean if it goes out on the airwaves it can be received by others…

185 albusteve  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 6:21:40pm

re: #183 Rightwingconspirator

?

Brookly did you mean the network or key loggers?

seemed clear cut to me

186 What, me worry?  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 6:22:14pm

re: #171 brookly red

same with motorcycles I guess, not very forgiving.

Actually, that’s why I stopped riding. I almost got clipped once which was enough.

Riding a motorcycle, I was pretty amazed at how many people get stoned while driving. I could always smell it riding by.

187 brookly red  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 6:24:02pm

re: #186 marjoriemoon

Actually, that’s why I stopped riding. I almost got clipped once which was enough.

Riding a motorcycle, I was pretty amazed at how many people get stoned while driving. I could always smell it riding by.

life is a crapshoot, some win some lose.

188 darthstar  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 6:24:15pm

I just blanched the skin off of four tomatoes and now they’re simmering happily in a pot with two diced serranos, four cloves of garlic, and a chopped onion. When it reduces into a sauce, I’ll add some fresh snapper for the last five minutes, and a handful of fresh basil. Sort of a thai fish curry I’m making from memory…but damn the house smells good already.

189 TedStriker  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 6:24:22pm

re: #180 iceweasel

I’ve been extremely lax about paying attention to our twitter acct and who follows us lately. It’s definitely a good idea to keep an eye on it, and any ‘institute’ or organisation you’ve never heard of before that starts following you, check em out.

I expect a lot more of this sort of thing to go on as social networking grows.

Any organization that Rushdooney’s been a member of, run away…far away.

/him and his ilk are creeps

190 Interesting Times  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 6:24:47pm

re: #142 reine.de.tout

My battery powered mouse goes through batteries really fast.
I have learned to keep a very large supply of batteries on hand.
Like, the biggest pack of double-A batteries I can find.

re: #143 Stanley Sea

Exactly. Usually. I also take the batteries out overnight.

Get these. Problem solved :)

191 HoosierHoops  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 6:25:17pm

re: #182 wii42

Here’s what Wikipedia says about ‘embiggen’, FWIW. 1884 cite.

Wow! Thanks for the link…But the Simpsons ripped off NASA for years..
I could very well be wrong on this..It’s how I recall the original word…
Like they always say..
Who are you going to believe? Me or your lying eyes?

192 b_sharp  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 6:25:26pm

re: #188 darthstar

I just blanched the skin off of four tomatoes and now they’re simmering happily in a pot with two diced serranos, four cloves of garlic, and a chopped onion. When it reduces into a sauce, I’ll add some fresh snapper for the last five minutes, and a handful of fresh basil. Sort of a thai fish curry I’m making from memory…but damn the house smells good already.

Can I come over for supper?

I’ll bring some beer.

193 Political Atheist  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 6:25:51pm

re: #184 brookly red

I run a wired keyboard. I’m not at all sure how secure the bluetooth keyboard signal is though.

But yeah, -we run “G” secured WiFi. I suppose someone could read all your keystrokes easily if you run that bluetooth. Ouch!

194 b_sharp  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 6:28:02pm

re: #193 Rightwingconspirator

I run a wired keyboard. I’m not at all sure how secure the bluetooth keyboard signal is though.

But yeah, -we run “G” secured WiFi. I suppose someone could read all your keystrokes easily if you run that bluetooth. Ouch!

I’ve seen a number of cracks for WEP, but I haven’t run across anything for WPA2.

195 brookly red  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 6:30:45pm

re: #193 Rightwingconspirator

I run a wired keyboard. I’m not at all sure how secure the bluetooth keyboard signal is though.

But yeah, -we run “G” secured WiFi. I suppose someone could read all your keystrokes easily if you run that bluetooth. Ouch!

heck your cordless phone is just a just a radio transmission… remember that next time you key in your account number.

197 Interesting Times  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 6:32:10pm

re: #161 Rightwingconspirator

Some engineering genius should use the mechanical energy available for a self powered mouse. Or… A wind up mouse?!

Something sort of like that actually does exist:

BatteryFree Wireless Optical Mouse

Apparently, it gets its power from the RFID Mouse Pad.

198 HoosierHoops  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 6:32:16pm

re: #193 Rightwingconspirator

I run a wired keyboard. I’m not at all sure how secure the bluetooth keyboard signal is though.

But yeah, -we run “G” secured WiFi. I suppose someone could read all your keystrokes easily if you run that bluetooth. Ouch!

The problem with Blue tooth is that it advertises itself and is discoverable…The advantage is you must be really close to the signal to hack it…

199 iceweasel  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 6:32:45pm

re: #189 talon_262

Any organization that Rushdooney’s been a member of, run away…far away.

/him and his ilk are creeps

Bingo. Yes indeed. I think I first learned about Rushdooney here, actually— h/t freetoken IIRC.

200 wii42  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 6:33:48pm

re: #191 HoosierHoops

The first string theory cite was 2007 (according to the Wikipedia link), not that that’s dispositive of anything in particular. Who’s Phil of NASA?

These days it sounds like NASA is ripping off the Simpsons.

201 Political Atheist  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 6:35:36pm

re: #194 b_sharp

Huh. Well thanks. Learn something everyday. Seen this?
New Hacking Tools Bite Bluetooth
Researchers have released two Bluetooth hacking tools that let an attacker control a victim’s machine

202 HoosierHoops  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 6:37:14pm

re: #200 wii42

The first string theory cite was 2007 (according to the Wikipedia link), not that that’s dispositive of anything in particular. Who’s Phil of NASA?

These days it sounds like NASA is ripping off the Simpsons.

Oh I’m sorry..He is a long time linked source here..Phil worked on the Hubble for 10 years…Great guy
[Link: blogs.discovermagazine.com…]

203 Stan the Demanded Plan  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 6:39:38pm

My little mouse/battery comment really inspired some conversation! I see how this works!! You guys are great you know!

204 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 6:42:02pm

re: #102 Ojoe

Another cool car.

Since we’re talking cool+wierd.

upding for DS

205 TedStriker  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 6:42:54pm

Let’s go upstairs…a fresh new thread awaits!

206 Irenicum  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 6:43:15pm

re: #180 iceweasel

Thank again Ice. (just got back from my beer run)

207 b_sharp  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 6:44:35pm

re: #203 Stanley Sea

My little mouse/battery comment really inspired some conversation! I see how this works!! You guys are great you know!

There are lots of shortcut keystrokes available if your mouse goes. Just look in help under shortcut keys.

208 wii42  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 6:45:24pm

re: #202 HoosierHoops

The Simpsons episode was 1996 = 14 years ago. That’s a while. Phil ought to edit that Wikipedia article if it’s not accurate on the (recent) etymology, if he’s still around.

209 Stan the Demanded Plan  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 6:45:34pm

re: #207 b_sharp

There are lots of shortcut keystrokes available if your mouse goes. Just look in help under shortcut keys.

Seriously. I used to use them, back in the day. They are gone with the mouse evolution. I will look them up again. Thanks!!!

210 freetoken  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 6:46:46pm

re: #199 iceweasel

Bingo. Yes indeed. I think I first learned about Rushdooney here, actually— h/t freetoken IIRC.

** bows **

211 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 6:48:20pm

re: #169 marjoriemoon

If I lived in the country in a town with a population of 5,000 maybe, but in the big city, they look pretty scary.


[Link: money.cnn.com…]

I’ll take riding in a Smart over riding in a car from the 80’s twice its size, if we’re concerned about safety

212 iceweasel  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 6:48:46pm

re: #210 freetoken

** bows **

*smooch*
Good to see you. :)

213 Irenicum  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 6:49:02pm

re: #180 iceweasel

The Rutherford Institute definitely rings a bell by the way. Having been involved in the conservative Christian movement for many years myself, I know those names well. I even have a fairly large collection of Schaeffer’s works in my library. Rushdoony is serious bad news. The Dominionist/Reconstructionist movement is straight out theocracy. I still apreciate a bunch of what Schaeffer contributed, but obviously I don’t share his culture war agenda. And neither does his son Frankie Schaeffer. We’ve had a few posts of his here. Again, thanks for the heads up.

214 b_sharp  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 6:50:56pm

re: #211 WindUpBird

[Link: www.msnbc.msn.com…]
[Link: money.cnn.com…]

I’ll take riding in a Smart over riding in a car from the 80’s twice its size, if we’re concerned about safety

If you are really concerned about safety, don’t get into a car.

215 Irenicum  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 6:51:42pm

re: #211 WindUpBird

Heh, I used to have a 78 Chevy that was truly a land yacht. Man I miss that car.

216 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 6:56:01pm

re: #169 marjoriemoon

If I lived in the country in a town with a population of 5,000 maybe, but in the big city, they look pretty scary.

I see Smarts all the time in Portland. We’re a (sorta) big city. here’s the thing about a lot of big cities: do you imagine flying down surface streets and neighborhoods in a big city at 55 mph? Of course not. 35 tops. Perfect for a smart.

Now in the country, it’s exactly the opposite. Big long straight roads, no congestion, no density = high speeds.

Relative curb weights of common light vehicles:

Geo metro: 1600 lbs
Smart Fortwo: 1600lb
Honda Crx 1800 lb
Lotus Elise: 1900lb
Toyota Tercel: 2000lbs
Mazda Miata 2100lbs
Geo Prizm 2300 lbs

Cars have been this light for decades. It’s nothing new.

217 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 6:56:37pm

re: #215 Irenicum

Heh, I used to have a 78 Chevy that was truly a land yacht. Man I miss that car.

I had a 1975 Trans Am in high school, ditto ;_;

218 iceweasel  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 7:02:22pm

re: #213 Irenicum

The Rutherford Institute definitely rings a bell by the way. Having been involved in the conservative Christian movement for many years myself, I know those names well. I even have a fairly large collection of Schaeffer’s works in my library. Rushdoony is serious bad news. The Dominionist/Reconstructionist movement is straight out theocracy. I still apreciate a bunch of what Schaeffer contributed, but obviously I don’t share his culture war agenda. And neither does his son Frankie Schaeffer. We’ve had a few posts of his here. Again, thanks for the heads up.

No prob. I think, on reflection, it wasn’t merely following the ACLU that triggered them to follow us, but following some gay rights organisation or other or tweeting something from one. Maybe the combination.
Anyway it’s probably some sort of bot they have programmed to do it. This was when our twitter was only like a week old and we had even fewer followers than now, so they have to be targeting people based on who they’re following, I think.

And yes, I love Frank Schaffer too (the son). I always forget the back story on the Rutherford institute— didn’t even remember them now as you saw.


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