David Horowitz Dumps Alex Knepper for Dissing Coulter

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Alex Knepper explains how he was dumped from David Horowitz’s Newsreal blog, for criticizing Ann Coulter’s newfound opposition to the Afghanistan War: How I Got Dumped for Criticizing Coulter.

NewsReal writer David Swindle responds with an unhinged post, spewing insults like a firehose: The Liar Alex Knepper Wasn’t Fired for Criticizing Ann Coulter, He Was Fired for Being An Intemperate, Unmanageable, Perverted, Impulsive, Narcissistic Child. Yes, that’s really the title.

Knepper replies to Swindle’s deranged post here: Am I a Pervert? My Reply to NewsRealBlog Smears.

This is pretty standard stuff for newsrealblog.com; last January when I criticized writer Ryan Mauro for his connection to the virulently homophobic and anti-Muslim “Christian Action Network,” he replied with a similar brain-dump of insults, and allowed his commenters to post threats against me.

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299 comments
1 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 3:17:03pm

Welcome to the RINO fold, Mr. Horowitz. It seems our ranks are swelling.

2 albusteve  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 3:17:17pm

did Coulter call our troops "uniformed assassins"?

3 Cato the Elder  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 3:20:35pm

The internal butthurt alarms at Wingnut Central are ceaseless these days.

4 Gus  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 3:20:42pm

I guess according to David Horowitz, freedom of speech is purely academic.

/

5 Aye Pod  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 3:23:24pm
The Liar Alex Knepper Wasn’t Fired for Criticizing Ann Coulter, He Was Fired for Being An Intemperate, Unmanageable, Perverted, Impulsive, Narcissistic Child.

Hmm...that seems kinda...intemperate.

Something ain't right with people who rely on that sort of rhetoric to discredit their opponents.

6 albusteve  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 3:24:13pm

re: #3 Cato the Elder

The internal butthurt alarms at Wingnut Central are ceaseless these days.

every four years...the Butthurt Olympics

7 albusteve  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 3:25:24pm

re: #5 Jimmah

Hmm...that seems kinda...intemperate.

Something ain't right with people who rely on that sort of rhetoric to discredit their opponents.

they are all 9th graders on the internet scale of life

8 Aye Pod  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 3:26:28pm

re: #3 Cato the Elder

The internal butthurt alarms at Wingnut Central are ceaseless these days.

They couldsave on electricity by assuming maximum butthurt as the default situation, and installing an "everythings ok" alarm instead.

9 avanti  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 3:29:50pm

re: #2 albusteve

did Coulter call our troops "uniformed assassins"?

I can think of a few historical events that would justify that description on those rare occasions. Wounded Knee, Mai Lia come to mind.

10 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 3:29:56pm

re: #8 Jimmah

Keep Calm...

11 MittDoesNotCompute  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 3:32:06pm

re: #8 Jimmah

They couldsave on electricity by assuming maximum butthurt as the default situation, and installing an "everythings ok" alarm instead.

It'd still be a waste of money, just as the batshit crazy wingnuts are mostly a waste of skin...

12 albusteve  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 3:32:31pm

re: #9 avanti

I can think of a few historical events that would justify that description on those rare occasions. Wounded Knee, Mai Lia come to mind.

and Sand Creek, Washita etc...but that was then

13 Cato the Elder  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 3:32:47pm

Re Pamela Geller, a prediction:

Tomorrow she discovers that "Mad Mel" Gibson once said something nasty about Muslims, and comes drunkenly roaring to the old anti-Semitic misogynistic racist's defense. You read it here first.

14 MittDoesNotCompute  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 3:34:43pm

re: #13 Cato the Elder

Re Pamela Geller, a prediction:

Tomorrow she discovers that "Mad Mel" Gibson once said something nasty about Muslims, and comes drunkenly roaring to the old anti-Semitic misogynistic racist's defense. You read it here first.

Pammy and Mel...a match made in Hell (for those that believe in that religious construct)...

15 albusteve  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 3:36:31pm

re: #14 talon_262

Pammy and Mel...a match made in Hell (for those that believe in that religious construct)...

Pell Mel and Spam Geller...their own lethal weapon

16 avanti  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 3:37:26pm

re: #12 albusteve

and Sand Creek, Washita etc...but that was then

True, but humans being less than perfect could fail again. To acknowledge the rare mistakes, is patriotic IMHO. In the Twain quote, I assume he was talking about one campaign where mistakes where made.

17 aurelius  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 3:37:40pm

and Abu Ghraib... long long ago


re: #12 albusteve

and Sand Creek, Washita etc...but that was then

18 aurelius  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 3:38:41pm

re: #17 aurelius

and Abu Ghraib... long long ago

forgot the tag

/

19 CuriousLurker  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 3:38:51pm

So, Cato, is Harpeia Stridens the right way to say Shrieking Harpy in Latin?

20 ryannon  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 3:38:58pm

re: #16 avanti

True, but humans being less than perfect could fail again. To acknowledge the rare mistakes, is patriotic IMHO. In the Twain quote, I assume he was talking about one campaign where mistakes where made.

He was talking about our military campaigns in Cuba and the Phillipines.

21 Gus  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 3:40:07pm

Found this "interesting" comment from David Swindle's blog:

And it became clear that the threat was not just a few “extremists” “misinterpreting Islam” in some caves in Afghanistan while righteously responding to American “imperialism.” Islamo-fascism is far bigger and more dangerous as a problem than the vast majority of Americans are prepared to face.

[R]ighteously responding to American “imperialism." -- David Swindle

Source: [Link: davidswindle.blogspot.com...]

22 ryannon  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 3:40:20pm

re: #20 ryannon

He was talking about our military campaigns in Cuba and the Phillipines Philippines.

23 The Left  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 3:41:21pm

It's all the rage for malicious spiteful wingnuts to spew unhinged insults and venom at every new 'enemy'.

They're especially fond of 'narcissist'-- how many times has Obama been called that? Usually on the basis of using the word 'I'. /

That might be one of my favourite malignany wingnut smears. The one that usually goes along with that is calling their opponent a 'sociopath'.

Pure projection of course. See for example Pam Geller.

24 allegro  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 3:42:32pm

re: #23 iceweasel

The one that usually goes along with that is calling their opponent a 'sociopath'.

Pure projection of course. See for example Pam Geller.

From what I've seen, she may go the distance to psychopath.

25 avanti  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 3:43:08pm

re: #17 aurelius

and Abu Ghraib... long long ago

Abu Graib was mostly a bunch of dumb soldiers that were poorly supervised. They were not that much different that stupid kids harassing the homeless. That's the problem with humans, some are good, some bad, some dumb, some smart and the military has it's share of all of the above.

26 Gus  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 3:43:12pm

So when it comes to politics are you a believer, an atheist, or an agnostic? Is there a great future out there that we can attain? If your answer is no, then vote for John McCain, one of our country's finest Americans and an exemplar of a valuable political tradition. If the answer is yes then you have to ask yourself if those four major Democratic presidents really helped toward achieving that goal. It's not an easy question but prominent radicals like Ralph Nader and Noam Chomsky would say the Democrats weren't significantly better than the Republicans. If the answer is maybe, as I think it will be for most Americans, then the only logical choice is to vote for Barack Obama on November 4, 2008.

David Swindle

[Link: davidswindle.blogspot.com...]

27 allegro  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 3:43:56pm

re: #25 avanti

They were not that much different that stupid kids harassing the homeless.

Are you freaking serious?

28 The Left  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 3:44:29pm

re: #24 allegro

From what I've seen, she may go the distance to psychopath.

Most likely. Hence her fondness for shrieking 'narcissist' and worse at others. Plus her whole love of violent death issue./

29 MisterCookie  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 3:45:00pm

The sheer audacity of the right to invert their stance on the war on terror is terrifying. Literally days before the 2008 election, the right was warning if Obama won we would cut and run from Iraq and Afghanistan and the war on terror would be lost. About a month after inauguration, the right begins insisting that Afghanistan was a lost cause and we should cut and run.
It's like everyone involved has a sudden case of Alzheimers or something - how could they possibly forget what they were saying just over a year ago? The ensuing cognitive dissonance, combined with their embrace of hate groups and conspiracy theorists, is what finally made me leave the right. It's going to be hard voting for a Democrat when I need to, but no one said the electoral process was going to be easy.

30 ryannon  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 3:45:11pm

re: #27 allegro

Are you freaking serious?

Not an really good comparison.

The kids often set the homeless on fire.

31 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 3:45:18pm

re: #21 Gus 802

Found this "interesting" comment from David Swindle's blog:

[R]ighteously responding to American “imperialism." -- David Swindle

Source: [Link: davidswindle.blogspot.com...]

Interesting.

32 Aye Pod  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 3:45:27pm

re: #11 talon_262

It'd still be a waste of money, just as the batshit crazy wingnuts are mostly a waste of skin...

Well, I was a bit of a wingnut myself for a good while after 9/11. So I know that the condition is curable - at least in some individuals. In others however it does seem to be permanent.

33 avanti  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 3:46:14pm

re: #27 allegro

Are you freaking serious?

It was much more serious, but the same stupid mentality, thinking humiliation of another human is "fun".

34 jamesfirecat  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 3:46:28pm

re: #8 Jimmah

They couldsave on electricity by assuming maximum butthurt as the default situation, and installing an "everythings ok" alarm instead.

//Isn't that what America finally decided to do with the terror alert system?

35 albusteve  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 3:46:28pm

re: #29 MisterCookie

The sheer audacity of the right to invert their stance on the war on terror is terrifying. Literally days before the 2008 election, the right was warning if Obama won we would cut and run from Iraq and Afghanistan and the war on terror would be lost. About a month after inauguration, the right begins insisting that Afghanistan was a lost cause and we should cut and run.
It's like everyone involved has a sudden case of Alzheimers or something - how could they possibly forget what they were saying just over a year ago? The ensuing cognitive dissonance, combined with their embrace of hate groups and conspiracy theorists, is what finally made me leave the right. It's going to be hard voting for a Democrat when I need to, but no one said the electoral process was going to be easy.

Astan is now, and always was a political potato getting tossed about

36 Gus  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 3:46:37pm

re: #31 Killgore Trout

Interesting.

Very. Apparently he had a severe ideological shift with some remaining imbalances. I believe he's only 26 years old. But if the shift remain I would categorize him as another "born again" conservative (not in the Christian sense).

37 The Left  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 3:46:39pm

re: #27 allegro

Are you freaking serious?

Denial about Abu G (and waterboarding, and more) remains widespread.

Abu G involved a bunch of dumb kids, true. Who took the fall for the entire establishment and the policies. If people would read the Taguba report, they'd know this.

38 Cato the Elder  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 3:46:47pm

re: #19 CuriousLurker

So, Cato, is Harpeia Stridens the right way to say Shrieking Harpy in Latin?

Well, strictly speaking, ululans might be closer to the mark. And it would piss her off more because the only ones supposed to "ululate" these days are Muslims.

"Stridens" is more of a "creaking" sound in classical Latin, but it works, too.

39 Aye Pod  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 3:47:44pm

re: #34 jamesfirecat

//Isn't that what America finally decided to do with the terror alert system?

Good point :)

40 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 3:48:14pm

re: #29 MisterCookie

It's like everyone involved has a sudden case of Alzheimers or something - how could they possibly forget what they were saying just over a year ago?

They didn't forget. They're hoping we did.

41 albusteve  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 3:49:24pm

re: #40 Slumbering Behemoth

They didn't forget. They're hoping we did.

exactly correct

42 jamesfirecat  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 3:49:29pm

re: #25 avanti

Abu Graib was mostly a bunch of dumb soldiers that were poorly supervised. They were not that much different that stupid kids harassing the homeless. That's the problem with humans, some are good, some bad, some dumb, some smart and the military has it's share of all of the above.

Don't forget the Standford Prison Experiment.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

It seems like it's not even a mater of some people are good, some are bad, if you set up the wrong situation the results seem all but inevitable regardless of who is involved....

43 Aye Pod  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 3:50:10pm

re: #23 iceweasel

It's all the rage for malicious spiteful wingnuts to spew unhinged insults and venom at every new 'enemy'.

They're especially fond of 'narcissist'-- how many times has Obama been called that? Usually on the basis of using the word 'I'. /

That might be one of my favourite malignany wingnut smears. The one that usually goes along with that is calling their opponent a 'sociopath'.

Pure projection of course. See for example Pam Geller.

Quoted for truth.

44 avanti  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 3:50:26pm

re: #37 iceweasel

Denial about Abu G (and waterboarding, and more) remains widespread.

Abu G involved a bunch of dumb kids, true. Who took the fall for the entire establishment and the policies. If people would read the Taguba report, they'd know this.

I blame poor leadership, the dumb kids should have been closely supervised. This from a Chief that once caught a drunk gunners mate that thought shooting a 3 inch round at the Statue of Liberty while at Fleet week would be a hoot.

45 CuriousLurker  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 3:50:34pm

re: #38 Cato the Elder

Well, strictly speaking, ululans might be closer to the mark. And it would piss her off more because the only ones supposed to "ululate" these days are Muslims.

"Stridens" is more of a "creaking" sound in classical Latin, but it works, too.

Well, in that case I guess I'll have to make an edit tonight. Thanks.

46 The Left  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 3:51:41pm

re: #29 MisterCookie

The sheer audacity of the right to invert their stance on the war on terror is terrifying. Literally days before the 2008 election, the right was warning if Obama won we would cut and run from Iraq and Afghanistan and the war on terror would be lost. About a month after inauguration, the right begins insisting that Afghanistan was a lost cause and we should cut and run.
It's like everyone involved has a sudden case of Alzheimers or something - how could they possibly forget what they were saying just over a year ago? The ensuing cognitive dissonance, combined with their embrace of hate groups and conspiracy theorists, is what finally made me leave the right. It's going to be hard voting for a Democrat when I need to, but no one said the electoral process was going to be easy.

The establishment right, elected officials, pundits, etc, are infected with crazy. They've completely cut loose from reality --when not wholly given over to cynical manipulation and lying.

They now believe that they can make something true if they just chant the slogan loud enough. That's it, full stop.
"Clap louder!"

47 aurelius  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 3:51:55pm

re: #33 avanti

It was much more serious, but the same stupid mentality, thinking humiliation of another human is "fun".

it should be ok to criticize soldiers... yes the wingnuts think they're the only ones allowed to, but I refuse to play on their terms

48 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 3:53:03pm

"NewsReal"

hahahahahahahaha

Where do they get these names

49 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 3:53:24pm

re: #41 albusteve

As depressing as it sounds, it seems they made a safe bet on people forgetting. That, or they've decided to pander to a whole new base of Libertarian Isolationists.

Go Tea Party, Go!

50 jamesfirecat  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 3:53:37pm

re: #29 MisterCookie

The sheer audacity of the right to invert their stance on the war on terror is terrifying. Literally days before the 2008 election, the right was warning if Obama won we would cut and run from Iraq and Afghanistan and the war on terror would be lost. About a month after inauguration, the right begins insisting that Afghanistan was a lost cause and we should cut and run.
It's like everyone involved has a sudden case of Alzheimers or something - how could they possibly forget what they were saying just over a year ago? The ensuing cognitive dissonance, combined with their embrace of hate groups and conspiracy theorists, is what finally made me leave the right. It's going to be hard voting for a Democrat when I need to, but no one said the electoral process was going to be easy.

Jon Stewart tends to define this as "Ballzhimers" "A terrible illness that attacks the memory and gives its victims' the balls to attack others for things they themselves made a career of...There is no known cure."

51 aurelius  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 3:53:41pm

re: #48 WindUpBird

"NewsReal"

hahahahahahahaha

Where do they get these names

and swindle

52 albusteve  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 3:54:24pm

re: #50 jamesfirecat

Jon Stewart tends to define this as "Ballzhimers" "A terrible illness that attacks the memory and gives its victims' the balls to attack others for things they themselves made a career of...There is no known cure."

heh...BO has that infection now

53 jamesfirecat  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 3:55:06pm

re: #52 albusteve

heh...BO has that infection now

Because he's doing what exactly?

54 avanti  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 3:55:23pm

re: #47 aurelius

it should be ok to criticize soldiers... yes the wingnuts think they're the only ones allowed to, but I refuse to play on their terms

I recall telling a story about a incident in Nam that I witnessed that upset set me, and was called every name in the book . That was in the pre stalker purge days.

55 albusteve  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 3:56:27pm

re: #49 Slumbering Behemoth

As depressing as it sounds, it seems they made a safe bet on people forgetting. That, or they've decided to pander to a whole new base of Libertarian Isolationists.

Go Tea Party, Go!

meanwhile 60 Americans died in Astan in June....time to shit or get off the pot...let's hope Patraeus turns it around

56 Aceofwhat?  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 3:56:47pm

bbl

57 albusteve  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 3:57:14pm

re: #53 jamesfirecat

Because he's doing what exactly?

following in the footsteps of Bush

58 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 3:57:14pm

re: #52 albusteve

I, for one, am happy that he has pulled a one-eighty on some of his campaign promises.

59 Cato the Elder  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 3:57:24pm

There's a family cookout tonight. See you all later.

60 CuriousLurker  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 3:57:53pm

Okay, I'm out for now. Have fun everyone...

61 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 3:57:55pm

re: #57 albusteve

BUSH'S THIRD TERM!

62 albusteve  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 3:58:37pm

re: #58 Slumbering Behemoth

I, for one, am happy that he has pulled a one-eighty on some of his campaign promises.

so am I....reality is a formidable wake up

63 The Left  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 3:58:38pm

re: #44 avanti

I blame poor leadership, the dumb kids should have been closely supervised. This from a Chief that once caught a drunk gunners mate that thought shooting a 3 inch round at the Statue of Liberty while at Fleet week would be a hoot.

Unfortunately it wasn't just a lack of oversight and a couple of bad apples.

I'm not in the mood for relinking all the relevant stuff on this once again, or rehashing it, so I'll leave it at that.
It's orthogonal to the post topic anyway.

64 bratwurst  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 4:00:54pm

re: #61 Slumbering Behemoth

BUSH'S THIRD TERM!

Yet at the same time, he is also tarred as a dangerous leftist. The increasingly senile George Will accused him of making an "abnormal lurch to the left". I am not kidding!

[Link: www.newsweek.com...]

65 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 4:02:33pm

i have never been registered as a Republican, although I do lean to the conservative side on many issues. But when people i have respected like Mr. Horowitz begin purging non-believers, I am very concerned. Until some sane voices reassert themselves, it will be very hard for the GOP to attract independent voters in numbers as large as they'd like. Just as Obama can't continually run against Bush and expect to win my admiration, neither can the GOP keep tacking on a 90 degree angle to the right and expect me to ever sign up.

66 albusteve  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 4:02:33pm

re: #64 bratwurst

Yet at the same time, he is also tarred as a dangerous leftist. The increasingly senile George Will accused him of making an "abnormal lurch to the left". I am not kidding!

[Link: www.newsweek.com...]

George has been losing it for a while now...by the new year he will be a bonafied drooler

67 MittDoesNotCompute  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 4:03:18pm

re: #42 jamesfirecat

Don't forget the Standford Prison Experiment.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

It seems like it's not even a mater of some people are good, some are bad, if you set up the wrong situation the results seem all but inevitable regardless of who is involved...

I've seen Zimbardo's documentary of the experiment...pretty shocking stuff.

68 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 4:03:21pm

re: #64 bratwurst

Considering his campaign, I'd say he made an "abnormal lurch to the right". Not that I'm complaining. He certainly did not turn out to be the radical leftist I feared he might be.

69 Gus  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 4:03:39pm

re: #49 Slumbering Behemoth

As depressing as it sounds, it seems they made a safe bet on people forgetting. That, or they've decided to pander to a whole new base of Libertarian Isolationists.

Go Tea Party, Go!

I think it's important to have divergent and opposing views even with the parties. Not pandering for cynical reasons but well though out views that could either support or oppose, for example, the war in Afghanistan. This is the basis for the great debate of democracy.

An example of the opposite of democracy is the shutting out of Knepper by Horowitz for simply wanting to provide an opposing view of Coulter's and in support of the Afghanistan war. In the end, Horowitz and others are constructing a new dogma or litmus test.

70 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 4:04:26pm

re: #43 Jimmah

Quoted for truth.

Dude, you are so whipped!

//

71 The Left  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 4:04:27pm

re: #67 talon_262

I've seen Zimbardo's documentary of the experiment...pretty shocking stuff.

He has a pretty extensive website with a slideshow too.

I haven't seen his doc, will definitely have to check it out.

72 Varek Raith  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 4:04:57pm

So...
The Afghan war is not worth fighting...?
UNPATRIOTS!11!1!1
9_9

73 The Left  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 4:05:02pm

re: #68 Slumbering Behemoth

Considering his campaign, I'd say he made an "abnormal lurch to the right". Not that I'm complaining. He certainly did not turn out to be the radical leftist I feared he might be.

He didn't campaign as a 'radical leftist'.

74 albusteve  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 4:05:17pm

re: #69 Gus 802

I think it's important to have divergent and opposing views even with the parties. Not pandering for cynical reasons but well though out views that could either support or oppose, for example, the war in Afghanistan. This is the basis for the great debate of democracy.

An example of the opposite of democracy is the shutting out of Knepper by Horowitz for simply wanting to provide an opposing view of Coulter's and in support of the Afghanistan war. In the end, Horowitz and others are constructing a new dogma or litmus test.

the old two-headed coin trick...heads you win, tails they lose

75 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 4:05:38pm

Oy! I guess it's "better late than never" when correcting a stupid mistake:

re: #1 Slumbering Behemoth

Welcome to the RINO fold, Mr. Horowitz Knepper. It seems our ranks are swelling.

FTFM

76 Varek Raith  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 4:06:17pm

re: #75 Slumbering Behemoth

Oy! I guess it's "better late than never" when correcting a stupid mistake:

FTFM

I wasn't gonna say anything...
;)

77 aurelius  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 4:06:28pm

re: #54 avanti

I recall telling a story about a incident in Nam that I witnessed that upset set me, and was called every name in the book . That was in the pre stalker purge days.


exactly-- of course wrong to smear them as a group, but reporting facts should always be fair game.

always.

78 albusteve  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 4:06:32pm

re: #73 iceweasel

He didn't campaign as a 'radical leftist'.

of course not....no surprise there

79 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 4:07:53pm

re: #69 Gus 802

They can keep it up, but eventually they'll find their echo chamber surprisingly empty.

80 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 4:08:23pm

re: #5 Jimmah

You still around?

81 bratwurst  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 4:08:38pm

re: #66 albusteve

George has been losing it for a while now...by the new year he will be a bonafied drooler

I knew the end was near a few months ago when he equated the lack of "manliness" in the current generation to the absence of westerns on prime time TV. Once again, I am not kidding!

The opening of careers to talented women has coincided with the attenuation of male role models in popular culture: In 1959, there were 27 Westerns on prime-time television glamorizing male responsibility.

82 Decatur Deb  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 4:08:55pm

No radical leftist is ever going to see the money needed to campaign successfully for POTUS. It was always a GOP bugaboo.

83 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 4:09:08pm

re: #73 iceweasel

He didn't campaign as a 'radical leftist'.

That's not exactly what I typed. But he did campaign farther left than he is currently administering.

84 MittDoesNotCompute  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 4:09:09pm

re: #79 Slumbering Behemoth

They can keep it up, but eventually they'll find their echo chamber surprisingly empty.

They might like having lots of open spaces...like the ones between their ears!

;-P

85 Ojoe  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 4:09:39pm

re: #26 Gus 802

So when it comes to politics are you a believer, an atheist, or an agnostic?

Gaaahhhh!

On current politics I have food poisoning & I spew.

D spew and R spew.

86 Gus  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 4:10:31pm

re: #85 Ojoe

Gaaahhh!

On current politics I have food poisoning & I spew.

D spew and R spew.

Sounds like a multi-spectrum ailment.

/

87 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 4:11:58pm

re: #83 Slumbering Behemoth

That's not exactly what I typed. But he did campaign farther left than he is currently administering.

well, sure, that's the way it always happens in primaries.

But he's already done the one thing that I hoped he would do, that he said he would do, and that's reform health care. And that's a huge thing he campaigned on.

88 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 4:12:09pm

re: #76 Varek Raith

I wasn't gonna say anything...
;)

I see. I guess you are from the school of thought which says "When you see your buddy is about to step on his own dick, don't stop him".

89 Ojoe  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 4:12:19pm

re: #86 Gus 802

Yeah well it is multi orifice too.

/bad taste

90 Varek Raith  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 4:12:28pm

re: #88 Slumbering Behemoth

Indeed.
:P

91 The Left  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 4:12:42pm

re: #83 Slumbering Behemoth

That's not exactly what I typed. But he did campaign farther left than he is currently administering.

I'd disagree with that. Only barely did he do so. i at least haven't been surprised by anything he's done, including the things I disagree with. And I voted for him and campaigned for him.

Anyway, ymmv. There were definitely hysterics on the left who believed for no reason at all that he would be superman, and scared people on the right who bought the MoSt RaDiCally RaDiCal LeftY ever line. It was hard to cut through all the noise. Such is modern politics in America.

92 albusteve  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 4:12:55pm

re: #81 bratwurst

I knew the end was near a few months ago when he equated the lack of "manliness" in the current generation to the absence of westerns on prime time TV. Once again, I am not kidding!

The opening of careers to talented women has coincided with the attenuation of male role models in popular culture: In 1959, there were 27 Westerns on prime-time television glamorizing male responsibility.

what can you do when your 'Branded'? and you know you're a man?
G Will

93 bratwurst  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 4:13:11pm

George Will also wrote a love letter to Sharron Angle last week. I am STILL not kidding!

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

94 MittDoesNotCompute  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 4:13:36pm

re: #81 bratwurst

I knew the end was near a few months ago when he equated the lack of "manliness" in the current generation to the absence of westerns on prime time TV. Once again, I am not kidding!

The opening of careers to talented women has coincided with the attenuation of male role models in popular culture: In 1959, there were 27 Westerns on prime-time television glamorizing male responsibility.

Fuck George Will and the horse he rode in on...was he this hysterical during the Clinton years?

95 Mocking Jay  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 4:14:08pm

re: #93 bratwurst

Coincidentally, I'm about to make myself some bratwurst for dinner. Now if only I can figure out the difference between the frying pan and the skillet...

96 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 4:14:10pm

re: #87 WindUpBird

Well I haven't read that bill, so I am not sure how much actual "reform" it contains. I suppose I'll find out in a few years. I'm hopeful, but not overly so.

97 albusteve  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 4:14:42pm

re: #87 WindUpBird

well, sure, that's the way it always happens in primaries.

But he's already done the one thing that I hoped he would do, that he said he would do, and that's reform health care. And that's a huge thing he campaigned on.

nobody....nobody knows how that legislation will turn out, huge thing or not

98 Ojoe  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 4:14:56pm

re: #65 _RememberTonyC

i have never been registered as a Republican, although I do lean to the conservative side on many issues. But when people i have respected like Mr. Horowitz begin purging non-believers, I am very concerned. Until some sane voices reassert themselves, it will be very hard for the GOP to attract independent voters in numbers as large as they'd like. Just as Obama can't continually run against Bush and expect to win my admiration, neither can the GOP keep tacking on a 90 degree angle to the right and expect me to ever sign up.

You may like the Modern Whig Party.

Go ahead and join! If it were big already people would be joining "left and right."

99 Varek Raith  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 4:14:58pm

re: #81 bratwurst

I knew the end was near a few months ago when he equated the lack of "manliness" in the current generation to the absence of westerns on prime time TV. Once again, I am not kidding!

The opening of careers to talented women has coincided with the attenuation of male role models in popular culture: In 1959, there were 27 Westerns on prime-time television glamorizing male responsibility.

Image: piratesvstemp.jpg

100 MisterCookie  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 4:15:08pm

re: #94 talon_262

Fuck George Will and the horse he rode in on...was he this hysterical during the Clinton years?

Maybe it has something to do with people being unable to watch male leads for fear of being excoriated by George Will as a homosexual?

101 Aye Pod  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 4:15:12pm

re: #80 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

You still around?

Yeah. What's up FBV?

102 albusteve  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 4:15:47pm

re: #93 bratwurst

George Will also wrote a love letter to Sharron Angle last week. I am STILL not kidding!

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

nice snag

103 Decatur Deb  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 4:16:04pm

re: #98 Ojoe

You may like the Modern Whig Party.

Go ahead and join! If it were big already people would be joining "left and right."

I'll wait until you're big enough to have cutthroat factional in-fighting.

104 Varek Raith  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 4:16:46pm

re: #99 Varek Raith

Image: piratesvstemp.jpg

My favorite graph...
Image: learningcurve.jpg

105 albusteve  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 4:16:48pm

re: #94 talon_262

Fuck George Will and the horse he rode in on...was he this hysterical during the Clinton years?

show some respect...he uses a lot of obscure words

106 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 4:17:08pm

re: #97 albusteve

nobody...nobody knows how that legislation will turn out, huge thing or not

it's already an improvement, right now, today, at this moment.

107 The Left  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 4:17:36pm

re: #100 MisterCookie

Maybe it has something to do with people being unable to watch male leads for fear of being excoriated by George Will as a homosexual?

Ha!

re: #93 bratwurst

George Will also wrote a love letter to Sharron Angle last week. I am STILL not kidding!

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

WTF! That is really unforgivable. Someone needs to do a page on it. Or Will in general. Decline and Fall of George Will.

108 Ojoe  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 4:17:54pm

re: #103 Decatur Deb

It is small and copacetic right now.

The American Centrist party just joined the Whigs so we got 16,000 new members.

109 Mocking Jay  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 4:17:54pm

re: #104 Varek Raith

My favorite graph...
Image: learningcurve.jpg

lol Yeah, that's about right for EVE.

110 Mocking Jay  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 4:18:29pm

re: #108 Ojoe

It is small and copacetic right now.

The American Centrist party just joined the Whigs so we got 16,000 new members.

I still think that name should stay in the past...

111 Nimed  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 4:18:48pm

I don't know either Alex Knepper's or David Swindle's writings very well, but it's pretty obvious from Swindle's response that he is a repugnant individual.

This is something that everyone considering working with Alex needs to understand. He has very creepy, disturbing ideas about sex. Initially when I brought him on board and read his application the impression I got was that he was merely a pro-sex libertine. If that had been the case then there wouldn’t have been a problem. I would’ve appreciated some posts to balance out some of NRB’s abstinence-until-marriage, social conservatives. But his sexual commentaries just started becoming bizarre. Alex’s Coulter meltdown wasn’t the only post he submitted that day that I rejected. He also sent a post about Miley Cyrus. Alex argued that there’s nothing wrong with looking at 14-year-old girls as sexual objects. Apparently he forgot that I told him not to submit any more crazy sex posts.

No comment on the "pro-sex libertine". The Miley Cyrus' comments, if true, are indeed creepy (though it's pretty clear that Cyrus managers are far from naive when it comes to exploring her image for this purpose -- different discussion).

But here's the thing - one would think Swindle's opinion on Knappler's comments existed before he submitted his article on Ann Coulter. Knepper's opinions or 14-year-old girls have nothing to do with this case -- if they were so objectionable, why was he allowed to continue to write for NewsReal?

The answer, of course, is that Knepper's views, whatever they might be, didn't bother Swindle or Horowitz that much. Swindle just brings them up in a disgusting attempt to burn the public image of Knepper. The logic here is that Knepper has now revealed himself to be a "pseudo-conservative", so anything goes.

112 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 4:18:52pm

re: #106 WindUpBird

it's already an improvement, right now, today, at this moment.

Especially since the bill doesn't take effect till 2014.

113 Gus  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 4:18:54pm

re: #91 iceweasel

I'd disagree with that. Only barely did he do so. i at least haven't been surprised by anything he's done, including the things I disagree with. And I voted for him and campaigned for him.

Anyway, ymmv. There were definitely hysterics on the left who believed for no reason at all that he would be superman, and scared people on the right who bought the MoSt RaDiCally RaDiCal LeftY ever line. It was hard to cut through all the noise. Such is modern politics in America.

What happens is that people confuse opposition research from both sides. This would be true with Obama as well as McCain during the 2008 campaign. With regards to Obama the opposition research included the never ending association with William Ayers and Jeremiah Wright. This while ignoring Obama's hawkish rhetoric with regards to Afghanistan and the Pakistan. So when you would actually "sit down" with Obama during the campaign you would find a different person then one characterized by the McCain camp.

This is reversible with both candidates and parties. But it's certainly true that Obama is not as left as the right thought (although there still seems to be a large number of doubters remaining) and too right as far as the many on the left and Firebaggers are concerned.

114 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 4:19:08pm

re: #101 Jimmah

Was in two houses yesterday. An Indian (from India) couple...They had a Kinkade over their fireplace mantle.

Later was in a house with a Kinkadd JIGSAW PUZZLE completed and framed in their bathroom.

Just thought you'd enjoy the imagery. I thought of you, since we were talking about it on Saturday.

115 bratwurst  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 4:19:29pm

re: #107 iceweasel

WTF! That is really unforgivable. Someone needs to do a page on it. Or Will in general. Decline and Fall of George Will.

Coming up!

116 albusteve  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 4:19:46pm

re: #112 rwdflynavy

Especially since the bill doesn't take effect till 2014.

heh...no comment

117 Ojoe  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 4:19:50pm

re: #110 JasonA

Well it's a good name because it is so weird that it is sort of neutral, I think.

118 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 4:19:52pm

re: #108 Ojoe

It is small and copacetic right now.

The American Centrist party just joined the Whigs so we got 16,000 new members.

Central American's just joined the Whigs?

119 Mocking Jay  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 4:20:23pm

Alright, I'm off to cook. Please dial 9 and 1 and get ready to press the second 1 if you don't hear back from me...

120 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 4:20:27pm

re: #96 Slumbering Behemoth

Well I haven't read that bill, so I am not sure how much actual "reform" it contains. I suppose I'll find out in a few years. I'm hopeful, but not overly so.

There's already a federally subsidized insurance plan for people with pre-existing conditions, authorized by health care reform, solid, tangible benefit, no need to wait a few years

121 Varek Raith  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 4:20:47pm

re: #116 albusteve

heh...no comment

NEXT WORLD CUP!

122 The Left  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 4:21:12pm

re: #112 rwdflynavy

Especially since the bill doesn't take effect till 2014.

You ought to check your facts more.
Im not going to find it. WUB will. There's an extensive list of immediate benefits that people are seeing from HCR.

But keep pretending it wont have any effect until after the 2012 run. :)

123 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 4:21:13pm

re: #109 JasonA

lol Yeah, that's about right for EVE.

I've always wondered what the Dwarf Fortress/EVE player crossover is :D

124 ryannon  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 4:21:17pm

re: #81 bratwurst

I knew the end was near a few months ago when he equated the lack of "manliness" in the current generation to the absence of westerns on prime time TV. Once again, I am not kidding!

The opening of careers to talented women has coincided with the attenuation of male role models in popular culture: In 1959, there were 27 Westerns on prime-time television glamorizing male responsibility.

And by 1969, well within the same generational time-line, we had assassinated a President and his brother; shot and killed Martin Luther King and were up to our necks in a hopelessly unjust war in Viet-Nam.

Responsibility!

125 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 4:21:23pm

re: #91 iceweasel

Iraq. Afghanistan. PATRIOT Act. Wire tapping. GITMO.

IIRC, his opinions on these issues were farther left during the campaign compared to the way he is currently governing on these issues. Again, not that I'm complaining.

126 Decatur Deb  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 4:21:26pm

re: #108 Ojoe

It is small and copacetic right now.

The American Centrist party just joined the Whigs so we got 16,000 new members.

There's the seeds of discord, right there. "STFU you centrist newbie scum!"

127 Aye Pod  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 4:21:27pm

re: #93 bratwurst

George Will also wrote a love letter to Sharron Angle last week. I am STILL not kidding!

Oh your god...


Sharron Angle, 60, could be enjoying the 10 grandchildren she loves even more than her .44 magnum.

What self-respecting wingnut could resist the grit of a gun-totin' granny? Not this one, obviously.

128 Ojoe  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 4:21:52pm

re: #118 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

From Whig home page:

JUN 22, 2010

We are pleased to announce that one of the largest moderate political movements in the nation has unanimously voted to merge with the Modern Whig Party. This means that we are being joined by a list of about 16,000 Americans who had initially signed on in support of the American Centrist Party. This merger is a natural fit as we both have been working toward a viable, mainstream and non-fringe political movement that values common sense, rational solutions ahead of partisan bickering and ideology.

129 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 4:22:05pm

re: #98 Ojoe

You may like the Modern Whig Party.

Go ahead and join! If it were big already people would be joining "left and right."

It's a good concept, but will it get enough traction to be a factor? Although I am an independent in my heart, I will probably remain a registered Dem ("Dem" is not an insult) for now. Although I could change to the Repubs depending on how the 2012 primary scene shakes out. I guess when it comes to casting my votes, "I go both ways."

130 Gus  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 4:22:08pm

re: #111 Nimed

I don't know either Alex Knepper's or David Swindle's writings very well, but it's pretty obvious from Swindle's response that he is a repugnant individual.

No comment on the "pro-sex libertine". The Miley Cyrus' comments, if true, are indeed creepy (though it's pretty clear that Cyrus managers are far from naive when it comes to exploring her image for this purpose -- different discussion).

But here's the thing - one would think Swindle's opinion on Knappler's comments existed before he submitted his article on Ann Coulter. Knepper's opinions or 14-year-old girls have nothing to do with this case -- if they were so objectionable, why was he allowed to continue to write for NewsReal?

The answer, of course, is that Knepper's views, whatever they might be, didn't bother Swindle or Horowitz that much. Swindle just brings them up in a disgusting attempt to burn the public image of Knepper. The logic here is that Knepper has now revealed himself to be a "pseudo-conservative", so anything goes.

IOW, Knepper's opinions were acceptable before he decided to contradict Coulter which led to Swindle using what he once approved of (from Knepper) to stab him in the back. More or less.

131 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 4:22:26pm

re: #22 ryannon

I once had a student in my class who was a direct descendent of Lapu Lapu. She was a very nice child, and a devout Catholic, but I tried to avoid pissing her off.

132 Decatur Deb  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 4:22:51pm

re: #112 rwdflynavy

Especially since the bill doesn't take effect till 2014.

Here's the phase-in timeline:

[Link: themoderatevoice.com...]

133 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 4:22:57pm

re: #106 WindUpBird

it's already an improvement, right now, today, at this moment.

How so? We still have a few years before the bill goes into effect.

134 Ojoe  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 4:22:58pm

re: #126 Decatur Deb

Time to join then!

LOL

135 The Left  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 4:23:03pm

re: #113 Gus 802

You're absolutely right. And of course in 2008 Obama had not just opposition research (and spin) from the McCain team to contend with, but from Clinton's team as well.
Every team does it. Campaigning is selling a product. You do that by selling a narrative.

136 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 4:24:07pm

re: #122 iceweasel

There's an extensive list of immediate benefits that people are seeing from HCR.

Honestly curious here. Anyone have a link to these immediate benefits?

137 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 4:24:12pm

re: #122 iceweasel

You ought to check your facts more.
Im not going to find it. WUB will. There's an extensive list of immediate benefits that people are seeing from HCR.

But keep pretending it wont have any effect until after the 2012 run. :)

Ice,

You are correct.

Facts:

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

138 Gus  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 4:24:22pm

re: #135 iceweasel

You're absolutely right. And of course in 2008 Obama had not just opposition research (and spin) from the McCain team to contend with, but from Clinton's team as well.
Every team does it. Campaigning is selling a product. You do that by selling a narrative.

Right. There was that too and the Clintons were rather, I wouldn't say ruthless, but efficient.

139 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 4:24:46pm

re: #29 MisterCookie

The sheer audacity of the right to invert their stance on the war on terror is terrifying. Literally days before the 2008 election, the right was warning if Obama won we would cut and run from Iraq and Afghanistan and the war on terror would be lost. About a month after inauguration, the right begins insisting that Afghanistan was a lost cause and we should cut and run.
It's like everyone involved has a sudden case of Alzheimers or something - how could they possibly forget what they were saying just over a year ago? The ensuing cognitive dissonance, combined with their embrace of hate groups and conspiracy theorists, is what finally made me leave the right. It's going to be hard voting for a Democrat when I need to, but no one said the electoral process was going to be easy.

War is not as much fun when a Democrat is in charge. At least, if you're an armchair admiral.

My BIL is back in Afghanistan for his third rotation, and he doesn't seem to feel that the CiC makes war any more or less horrific.

140 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 4:24:47pm

re: #112 rwdflynavy

Especially since the bill doesn't take effect till 2014.


Wow, it's 2014 already? Have we opened a rift?

Starting Thursday, people in Florida and across the nation who can't get private health insurance because they have preexisting conditions can sign up for coverage through a federal program subsidized by a $5 billion grant from the Obama administration. Read the bill details at: [Link: democrats.senate.gov...]


See you later, I'm totally going to buy a 2014 Camaro and then sell it at a profit in 2010 :D

The program is for people who can't buy health insurance from private insurers because they have heart problems, cancer, diabetes, asthma and other conditions. Such people are routinely rejected or offered prices they can't afford by private insurers. It is a transitional plan until 2014, when insurers will be banned from discriminating against adults with pre-existing conditions.

Shooting down talking points is my business, and business is good

141 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 4:25:25pm

re: #30 ryannon

Not an really good comparison.

The kids often set the homeless on fire.

Homeless guy: How would YOU like to be set on fire?

Burt Reynolds: We tried that. It didn't work.

142 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 4:25:34pm

re: #132 Decatur Deb

Here's the phase-in timeline:

[Link: themoderatevoice.com...]

Thanks!

143 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 4:25:37pm

re: #133 Slumbering Behemoth

How so? We still have a few years before the bill goes into effect.

#140

The program is for people who can't buy health insurance from private insurers because they have heart problems, cancer, diabetes, asthma and other conditions. Such people are routinely rejected or offered prices they can't afford by private insurers. It is a transitional plan until 2014, when insurers will be banned from discriminating against adults with pre-existing conditions.

This took me less than 30 seconds on google to find.

144 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 4:25:38pm

re: #140 WindUpBird

Awesome..

See 137.

145 The Left  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 4:25:55pm

re: #125 Slumbering Behemoth

Iraq. Afghanistan. PATRIOT Act. Wire tapping. GITMO.

IIRC, his opinions on these issues were farther left during the campaign compared to the way he is currently governing on these issues. Again, not that I'm complaining.

His FISA vote in april 2008 should have clued people into how he'd deal with the patriot act and wiretapping.

He signed executive orders immediately suspending the use of the EIT, and made noises about gitmo, and another order shutting the black sites that are under the control of the CIA-- but that is and was purely cosmetic, as the black sites were quietly being transferred to the control of JSOC under Bush, and Obama has continued that process.

The information is almost always out there about what to really expect from someone, if you can cut through the noise.

146 jamesfirecat  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 4:26:31pm

re: #140 WindUpBird

Shooting down talking points is my business, and business is good

Sports Almanac you idiot, you want the sports Almanac!

147 Decatur Deb  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 4:27:23pm

re: #145 iceweasel

...snip
The information is almost always out there about what to really expect from someone, if you can cut through the noise.

But that's what noise is for. See Climategate.

148 The Left  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 4:27:26pm

re: #140 WindUpBird

Shooting down talking points is my business, and business is good

COFFEE IS FOR CLOSERS! :D

149 Varek Raith  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 4:28:14pm

Did someone say Dwarf Fortress?!?!
Awesome.

150 Aye Pod  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 4:28:15pm

re: #114 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Was in two houses yesterday. An Indian (from India) couple...They had a Kinkade over their fireplace mantle.

Later was in a house with a Kinkadd JIGSAW PUZZLE completed and framed in their bathroom.

Just thought you'd enjoy the imagery. I thought of you, since we were talking about it on Saturday.

Heh. The only art I ever want to see involving Thomas Kincade will be a two-part sculpture by Damien Hirst, if you catch my drift.

Image: 96974-050-4BF9D814.jpg

151 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 4:28:38pm

re: #140 WindUpBird

Shooting down talking points is my business, and business is good.

Do they have to be "talking points"? Can't it just be a case of good old fashioned ignorance on the subject?

152 Varek Raith  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 4:29:57pm

re: #151 Slumbering Behemoth

Do they have to be "talking points"? Can't it just be a case of good old fashioned ignorance on the subject?

Seriously...
Not everyone is a partisan.

153 The Left  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 4:30:41pm

re: #137 rwdflynavy

Thanks.

re: #142 Slumbering Behemoth

These are the really huge ones in terms of immediate benefit:

Six months after enactment

-- Bars insurers from denying people coverage when they get sick.

-- Bars insurers from denying coverage to children who have preexisting conditions.

-- Bars insurers from imposing lifetime caps on coverage.

-- Requires insurers to allow young people to stay on their parents' policies until age 26.

those are going to have extensive impact on people's lives, for the better, essentially immediately.

Anyway, Obama outlined all this in a speech the week of the healthcare vote. I posted it several times.

154 Summer Seale  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 4:31:18pm

re: #150 Jimmah

Heh. The only art I ever want to see involving Thomas Kincade will be a two-part sculpture by Damien Hirst, if you catch my drift.

Image: 96974-050-4BF9D814.jpg

I was just about to have dinner........ =P

155 Gus  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 4:32:04pm

re: #140 WindUpBird

I'm totally going to buy a 2014 Camaro and then sell it at a profit in 2010 :D

How? I just read on World Net Daily that as supreme tyrant of Government Motors (GM) Obama will ban all sales of Camaros by 2014?

//

(Note: No innuendo on others here implied.)

156 albusteve  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 4:32:24pm

re: #153 iceweasel

Thanks.

re: #142 Slumbering Behemoth

These are the really huge ones in terms of immediate benefit:

those are going to have extensive impact on people's lives, for the better, essentially immediately.

Anyway, Obama outlined all this in a speech the week of the healthcare vote. I posted it several times.

in other words, rates will continue to skyrocket?

157 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 4:32:25pm

re: #153 iceweasel

Looks good to me.

Anyway, Obama outlined all this in a speech the week of the healthcare vote. I posted it several times.

Mea culpa: I don't watch every speech, nor read every post.

158 spare o'lake  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 4:32:26pm

I HOPE Obama keeps on CHANGING.

159 Aye Pod  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 4:33:11pm

re: #104 Varek Raith

My favorite graph...
Image: learningcurve.jpg

I know people who play that game - I hear them saying things like "In only two years from, now, I'll have learned the skills I need to be able to fly a Royal Golem". Insane.

160 The Left  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 4:33:55pm

re: #151 Slumbering Behemoth

Do they have to be "talking points"? Can't it just be a case of good old fashioned ignorance on the subject?

Yes, but it isn't necessarily a personal attack on the poster to point out that something is a talking point. That's what the spin is designed to do after all, get the talking points out there and get them repeated by innocent people who are repeating them in good faith. if it's a really well designed talking point and good and pervasive spin, that's what it does.

161 The Left  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 4:34:38pm

re: #157 Slumbering Behemoth

Looks good to me.

Mea culpa: I don't watch every speech, nor read every post.

Of course, i wasn't attacking you or anything, just explaining why I might seem irritable and cranky. Apologies.

162 Nimed  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 4:34:47pm

re: #125 Slumbering Behemoth

Iraq. Afghanistan. PATRIOT Act. Wire tapping. GITMO.

IIRC, his opinions on these issues were farther left during the campaign compared to the way he is currently governing on these issues. Again, not that I'm complaining.

re: #145 iceweasel

His FISA vote in april 2008 should have clued people into how he'd deal with the patriot act and wiretapping.

He signed executive orders immediately suspending the use of the EIT, and made noises about gitmo, and another order shutting the black sites that are under the control of the CIA-- but that is and was purely cosmetic, as the black sites were quietly being transferred to the control of JSOC under Bush, and Obama has continued that process.

The information is almost always out there about what to really expect from someone, if you can cut through the noise.

Well, if we're talking about campaign rhetoric and promises, I'm sort of with the Firebaggers here. Obama did promise much more regarding civil liberties than what he did and iss doing, and the left is much less critical of Obama than they were of Bush, it pains me to say.

163 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 4:35:25pm

re: #161 iceweasel

Of course, i wasn't attacking you or anything

YOU WERE TOO!

/runs away crying

164 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 4:36:26pm

re: #150 Jimmah

ewww.

165 Nimed  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 4:36:27pm

re: #150 Jimmah

Heh. The only art I ever want to see involving Thomas Kincade will be a two-part sculpture by Damien Hirst, if you catch my drift.

Image: 96974-050-4BF9D814.jpg

LOLOL

166 MittDoesNotCompute  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 4:36:48pm

re: #131 SanFranciscoZionist

I once had a student in my class who was a direct descendent of Lapu Lapu. She was a very nice child, and a devout Catholic, but I tried to avoid pissing her off.

Someone's who's descended from the man that killed Ferdinand Magellan and some of his men in battle deserves a wide berth...

///

167 bratwurst  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 4:36:51pm

re: #107 iceweasel

WTF! That is really unforgivable. Someone needs to do a page on it. Or Will in general. Decline and Fall of George Will.

Here you go:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

168 Gus  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 4:37:13pm

re: #163 Slumbering Behemoth

YOU WERE TOO!

/runs away crying

Now, now. Don't cry. Repeat after me:

I'm good enough, I'm smart enough, and dog-gone it, people like me.

169 Decatur Deb  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 4:37:23pm

re: #162 Nimed

Well, if we're talking about campaign rhetoric and promises, I'm sort of with the Firebaggers here. Obama did promise much more regarding civil liberties than what he did and iss doing, and the left is much less critical of Obama than they were of Bush, it pains me to say.

If we are still neck-deep in Iraq in the Summer of 2012, we need a reworking of the Chicago Democratic Convention.

170 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 4:38:01pm

re: #165 Nimed

Think they can save it?

171 The Left  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 4:38:59pm

re: #162 Nimed

Well, if we're talking about campaign rhetoric and promises, I'm sort of with the Firebaggers here. Obama did promise much more regarding civil liberties than what he did and iss doing, and the left is much less critical of Obama than they were of Bush, it pains me to say.

Oh yeah. This is my big problem with Obama myself. I reckoned that came out when in my post. If you looked at actions and realities, it was possible to determine what was rhetoric and what would be policy.
but in re: civil liberties, Obama's 'promises' were designed to make people think they'd be getting more than reality.
It sounds really cool if someone is promising to end the CIA's black sites! -- unless you know that they'd already been transferring control of them to JSOC. Etc.

172 albusteve  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 4:39:17pm

re: #169 Decatur Deb

If we are still neck-deep in Iraq in the Summer of 2012, we need a reworking of the Chicago Democratic Convention.

yeah, and Dan Rather can get his ass beat all over again

173 Decatur Deb  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 4:39:56pm

re: #172 albusteve

yeah, and Dan Rather can get his ass beat all over again

Feature, not a bug.

174 spare o'lake  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 4:40:49pm

re: #162 Nimed

Well, if we're talking about campaign rhetoric and promises, I'm sort of with the Firebaggers here. Obama did promise much more regarding civil liberties than what he did and iss doing, and the left is much less critical of Obama than they were of Bush, it pains me to say.

Dems are so much more flexible than the GOP, which gives them a substantial political advantage. Obama's transparent moves to co-opt the centre right (by abandoning as many of his liberal principles as necessary) meet with scarcely a peep from the Dem base.

175 Decatur Deb  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 4:41:38pm

re: #174 spare o'lake

Dems are so much more flexible than the GOP, which gives them a substantial political advantage. Obama's transparent moves to co-opt the centre right (by abandoning as many of his liberal principles as necessary) meet with scarcely a peep from the Dem base.

We're pretty used to half a loaf.

176 The Left  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 4:42:07pm

re: #167 bratwurst

Here you go:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Fantastic, retweeted. yay!
Good stuff too!
going to check out all those links...

177 The Left  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 4:42:59pm

re: #163 Slumbering Behemoth

YOU WERE TOO!

/runs away crying

No, I wasn't. :(

178 albusteve  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 4:43:05pm

re: #175 Decatur Deb

We're pretty used to half a loaf.

but BO was the entire bakery man...now what?...turns out he's a little garlic dip crust

179 Nimed  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 4:43:38pm

re: #171 iceweasel

Oh yeah. This is my big problem with Obama myself. I reckoned that came out when in my post. If you looked at actions and realities, it was possible to determine what was rhetoric and what would be policy.
but in re: civil liberties, Obama's 'promises' were designed to make people think they'd be getting more than reality.
It sounds really cool if someone is promising to end the CIA's black sites! -- unless you know that they'd already been transferring control of them to JSOC. Etc.

EXACTLY!

Exactly.

180 MittDoesNotCompute  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 4:44:18pm

re: #150 Jimmah

Heh. The only art I ever want to see involving Thomas Kincade will be a two-part sculpture by Damien Hirst, if you catch my drift.

Image: 96974-050-4BF9D814.jpg

That's pretty wild...

181 aurelius  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 4:44:22pm

what drives me crazy is the wingnuts' ongoing insistence that he is the most liberal, communist, socialist, whatever.

He's actually slightly right of center-- and not just in my book.

In any reasonable country in europe, he'd be in the "center-right" party.

To be honest, in some countries he'd even be in the far-right party, what with his opposition to gay marriage, pro-wiretapping, etc etc.


re: #175 Decatur Deb

We're pretty used to half a loaf.

182 Nimed  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 4:45:15pm

re: #174 spare o'lake

Sadly, I agree with your comment enough to upding it. Sigh.

183 spare o'lake  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 4:46:04pm

re: #181 aurelius

what drives me crazy is the wingnuts' ongoing insistence that he is the most liberal, communist, socialist, whatever.

He's actually slightly right of center-- and not just in my book.

In any reasonable country in europe, he'd be in the "center-right" party.

To be honest, in some countries he'd even be in the far-right party, what with his opposition to gay marriage, pro-wiretapping, etc etc.

He keeps changin' fast, but it don't last too long...

184 Decatur Deb  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 4:46:41pm

re: #178 albusteve

but BO was the entire bakery man...now what?...turns out he's a little garlic dip crust

He'll probably deliver about half of what he said he would, or about a fourth of what people thought he said.

185 albusteve  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 4:47:05pm

re: #183 spare o'lake

He keeps changin' fast, but it don't last too long...

I was thinking of a pig with lipstick joke...but not worth it

186 ryannon  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 4:47:19pm

re: #184 Decatur Deb

He'll probably deliver about half of what he said he would, or about a fourth of what people thought he said.

You mean I have to pay my mortgage?

187 Aye Pod  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 4:47:38pm

re: #184 Decatur Deb

He'll probably deliver about half of what he said he would, or about a fourth of what people thought he said.

Yes, but still, one step forward is better than 2 steps back.

188 aurelius  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 4:47:48pm

re: #183 spare o'lake

He keeps changin' fast, but it don't last too long...

With the anti-gay marriage thing he never wavered, as far as I know. Campaigned on it.

that's far-right wingnuttery in Europe.

189 Gus  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 4:47:50pm

re: #174 spare o'lake

Dems are so much more flexible than the GOP, which gives them a substantial political advantage. Obama's transparent moves to co-opt the centre right (by abandoning as many of his liberal principles as necessary) meet with scarcely a peep from the Dem base.

Without getting too much in depth here. Would you say that the right was highly critical of Bush when he was in office as many are now critical of him? This is with the emphasis now on the current rethinking of "nation building" and Afghanistan as being promoted by Coulter and others? Was Glenn Beck calling Bush a liberal progressive when he was in office?

I think it's equal with both parties and base. It's a natural tendency not to criticize a president that's in your party or on your side during his (or someday her) time in office. In the end Bush also abandoned many of his conservative ideas and campaign promises while he was in office and it caused barely a ripple.

190 albusteve  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 4:48:10pm

re: #184 Decatur Deb

He'll probably deliver about half of what he said he would, or about a fourth of what people thought he said.

P.T. Barnum?

191 ryannon  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 4:48:48pm

re: #190 albusteve

P.T. Barnum?

Every minute?

192 aurelius  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 4:50:10pm

re: #191 ryannon

Every minute?


nah something about half the people all the time, all the people one third of the time, umm...

Lemme get a drink, I'll get back to you.

this way to the egress.

193 Decatur Deb  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 4:50:16pm

re: #166 talon_262

Someone's who's descended from the man that killed Ferdinand Magellan and some of his men in battle deserves a wide berth...

///

My favorite gotcha:
"Who was the first man to circumnavigate the Earth?"
"One of Magellan's survivor's."

(Antonio Pigaffetta, if you believe the homeboys in Vicenza.)

194 Decatur Deb  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 4:51:20pm

re: #186 ryannon

You mean I have to pay my mortgage?

In Ameros.

195 ryannon  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 4:52:26pm

re: #194 Decatur Deb

In Ameros.

Do you take Green Stamps?

196 Gus  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 4:52:35pm

re: #194 Decatur Deb

In Ameros.

Yuans!

//The Reds are coming!

197 MittDoesNotCompute  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 4:52:38pm

re: #191 ryannon

Every minute?

I'm a sucker, baby, so why don't you lick me... ///

/apologies to Beck (the musician, not the asshole pundit)

198 Nimed  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 4:53:32pm

re: #184 Decatur Deb

He'll probably deliver about half of what he said he would, or about a fourth of what people thought he said.

And about 1/4096 of Pam says he still will.

199 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 4:54:43pm

re: #64 bratwurst

Yet at the same time, he is also tarred as a dangerous leftist. The increasingly senile George Will accused him of making an "abnormal lurch to the left". I am not kidding!

[Link: www.newsweek.com...]

Yeah, I saw that article. I couldn't figure out what he was referring to.

200 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 4:55:06pm

Beer calls, I'm out. Have a nice Sunday everyone.

201 ryannon  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 4:56:23pm

re: #197 talon_262

Youtube Video
202 albusteve  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 4:56:35pm

re: #199 SanFranciscoZionist

Yeah, I saw that article. I couldn't figure out what he was referring to.

he may have been referring to cash for clunkers, union bailouts and commie carrots in the WH...just a guess

203 Varek Raith  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 4:59:37pm

re: #202 albusteve

he may have been referring to cash for clunkers, union bailouts and commie carrots in the WH...just a guess

Image: commie-varmint.jpg

204 albusteve  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 5:00:43pm

re: #203 Varek Raith

Image: commie-varmint.jpg

heh...Varmint Cong

205 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 5:01:06pm

According to Crazy Pam Obama and Farrakhan are now funding flotillas to break the Israeli blockade of Gaza.

206 Decatur Deb  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 5:02:33pm

re: #199 SanFranciscoZionist

Yeah, I saw that article. I couldn't figure out what he was referring to.

Whistling in the dark.

Youtube Video
207 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 5:02:36pm

Getting ready to grill some Mahi Mahi tonight.

208 Nimed  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 5:02:39pm

re: #199 SanFranciscoZionist

Yeah, I saw that article. I couldn't figure out what he was referring to.

Oh, that's nothing. George Will, sensible conservative columnist of the Washington Post, writes about jeans as a symptom of the profound malaise that afflicts American society:

On any American street, or in any airport or mall, you see the same sad tableau: A 10-year-old boy is walking with his father, whose development was evidently arrested when he was that age, judging by his clothes. Father and son are dressed identically -- running shoes, T-shirts. And jeans, always jeans. If mother is there, she, too, is draped in denim.

Denim is the infantile uniform of a nation in which entertainment frequently features childlike adults ("Seinfeld," "Two and a Half Men") and cartoons for adults ("King of the Hill"). Seventy-five percent of American "gamers" -- people who play video games -- are older than 18 and nevertheless are allowed to vote

209 Varek Raith  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 5:02:48pm

re: #205 Killgore Trout

According to Crazy Pam Obama and Farrakhan are now funding flotillas to break the Israeli blockade of Gaza.

Using Corellian CR90 Corvettes, no doubt.

210 Nimed  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 5:03:13pm

re: #208 Nimed

Oops. Link - [Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

211 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 5:03:45pm

re: #207 Killgore Trout
Looks good.

212 Decatur Deb  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 5:04:08pm

re: #208 Nimed

And he wants them off his lawn.

213 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 5:04:25pm

re: #207 Killgore Trout

How're the tadpoles?

214 MittDoesNotCompute  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 5:04:50pm

re: #204 albusteve

heh...Varmint Cong

Carl Spackler: License to kill gophers by the government of the United Nations. Man, free to kill gophers at will. To kill, you must know your enemy, and in this case my enemy is a varmint. And a varmint will never quit - ever. They're like the Viet Cong - Varmint Cong. So you have to fall back on superior intelligence and superior firepower. And that's all she wrote.

/Caddyshack FTMFW

215 The Left  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 5:05:10pm

re: #210 Nimed

Oops. Link - [Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

Oh man, I loved that. I remember that. Heh.

216 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 5:05:13pm

re: #211 PhillyPretzel

It's my new favorite recipe. The mahi works nice on the grill because it doesn't break apart when you flip it.

217 Nimed  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 5:05:50pm

re: #208 Nimed

WE'RE DOOMED! THEY LET PEOPLE WHO PLAY VIDEO GAMES -- "GAMERS" -- VOTE! JUST LIKE WHAT HAPPENED IN THE FALL OF THE ROMAN EMPIRE!!1!

218 Varek Raith  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 5:06:36pm

re: #217 Nimed

WE'RE DOOMED! THEY LET PEOPLE WHO PLAY VIDEO GAMES -- "GAMERS" -- VOTE! JUST LIKE WHAT HAPPENED IN THE FALL OF THE ROMAN EMPIRE!!1!

LOLWHUT

219 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 5:07:18pm

re: #213 Floral Giraffe

How're the tadpoles?

They're doing ok, I think. It's hard to tell because they get increasingly shy as the develop. Once they turn into frogs, which at least two have done already, they're almost impossible to find. They did survive the heat wave and I had a frog spotting yesterday. They might make it until next year, maybe not. I wouldn't bet either way.

220 Gus  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 5:07:37pm

re: #202 albusteve

he may have been referring to cash for clunkers, union bailouts and commie carrots in the WH...just a guess

I'll pick one from your list to comment on.

Cash for Clunkers was not the creation of the White House. The Car Allowance Rebate System was sponsored by Rep. Betty Sutton (D-Ohio). There was a similar bill that also included the sponsorship of Sam Brownback (R-Kansas). That's an R for Republican. The final vote in the house was 298 to 119. 59 of those voting yes were Republicans. That also included a yes vote from Republican and Fox News's Red Eye favorite Thad McCotter from Michigan and a strong supporter of the automobile industry.

221 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 5:07:44pm

So, the GOP goes isolationist while the left maintains its traditional mythology of defeat-as-virtue.

This seems to leave just Obama, Gates, my humble self, and the men and women of the US armed forces to resist the defeatist clamor. I couldn't ask for better company.

Just why did Obama seemingly reverse his peacenik position after the election? As we observed at the time, he was said to have emerged "ashen faced" from one of the classified briefings he received as President-elect. It's just possible that he didn't abandon principle for crass political reasons (as though simplistic 60s Kumbayism could not also be crass politics). Rather, he may have seen and heard something that convinced him the threat was as real as, say, the Nazis in 1940 or the Chinese hordes 10 years later, and not just some long-running gambit by the military industrial complex.

Success in Afghanistan, however it might be defined, would largely overthrow the post-Vietnam leftist paradigm, particularly if it is achieved by a liberal president. LBJ folded up when he lost Cronkite, but Obama will not fold for the likes of Coulter and Limbaugh, no matter how many dittoheads and wingnuts join Code Pink in pretending that all would be peachy in the world if we only quit being mean to people in other countries.

222 Gus  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 5:09:30pm

re: #205 Killgore Trout

According to Crazy Pam Obama and Farrakhan are now funding flotillas to break the Israeli blockade of Gaza.

Does she tie it in with the Ultra-Super-Duper-Mega-Giga-Giant-Cordoba House Mosque and Terrorist Training Camp™ they're going to be building next to Ground Zero?

//

223 albusteve  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 5:09:31pm

re: #220 Gus 802

I'll pick one from your list to comment on.

Cash for Clunkers was not the creation of the White House. The Car Allowance Rebate System was sponsored by Rep. Betty Sutton (D-Ohio). There was a similar bill that also included the sponsorship of Sam Brownback (R-Kansas). That's an R for Republican. The final vote in the house was 298 to 119. 59 of those voting yes were Republicans. That also included a yes vote from Republican and Fox News's Red Eye favorite Thad McCotter from Michigan and a strong supporter of the automobile industry.

so you're saying republicans lost their minds?....I'm not surprised....cash for clunkers was an obscene ploy for votes, no more than that

224 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 5:10:46pm

re: #216 Killgore Trout
I think the August issue of Cook's Illustrated had fish spatulas rated. Wustof won.

225 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 5:12:28pm

re: #221 Shiplord Kirel

Stark reality drove both Bush and Obama to do certain things we on the outside looking in and with the luxury of years of near attack free experience to question. Really shows why it is important to act.

226 albusteve  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 5:13:04pm

re: #225 Rightwingconspirator

Stark reality drove both Bush and Obama to do certain things we on the outside looking in and with the luxury of years of near attack free experience to question. Really shows why it is important to act.

SURGE!

227 The Left  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 5:13:16pm
" So, the GOP goes isolationist while the left maintains its traditional mythology of defeat-as-virtue."

I see we're back to pretending that Obama is weak on defense, hasn't done much more than Bush did in Afghanistan, and repeating the tradition meme that 'the left' hates america and wants american military defeat.

Damn, I'm so tired of the hippiepunching. What year is it again? Why are so many right wing memes at least 30 years old?

228 The Left  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 5:13:54pm

re: #222 Gus 802

Does she tie it in with the Ultra-Super-Duper-Mega-Giga-Giant-Cordoba House Mosque and Terrorist Training Camp™ they're going to be building next to Ground Zero?

//

Also, Obama's real father is Malcolm X! :)

229 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 5:14:26pm

re: #227 iceweasel

I see we're back to pretending that Obama is weak on defense, hasn't done much more than Bush did in Afghanistan, and repeating the tradition meme that 'the left' hates america and wants american military defeat.

Damn, I'm so tired of the hippiepunching. What year is it again? Why are so many right wing memes at least 30 years old?

Because the moth-eaten leftist memes date back farther than that.

230 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 5:15:14pm

re: #216 Killgore Trout

It's my new favorite recipe. The mahi works nice on the grill because it doesn't break apart when you flip it.


[Link: www.cooksillustrated.com...]

231 The Left  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 5:15:59pm

re: #229 Shiplord Kirel

Because the moth-eaten leftist memes date back farther than that.

Oh yes. Tell me again how we're all Marxists, buds with Bill Ayers, and love Saul Alinsky please.

232 albusteve  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 5:16:20pm

re: #227 iceweasel

I see we're back to pretending that Obama is weak on defense, hasn't done much more than Bush did in Afghanistan, and repeating the tradition meme that 'the left' hates america and wants american military defeat.

Damn, I'm so tired of the hippiepunching. What year is it again? Why are so many right wing memes at least 30 years old?

we are talking offense here, not defense....you think we can tame Astan by next summer?

233 Gus  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 5:17:09pm

re: #228 iceweasel

Also, Obama's real father is Malcolm X! :)

Notice the similarities in the skull topography and facial features. Here to dissect the Phrenology of Obama and it's similarities to Malxom-X is noted Phrenologist, Jim Hoft.

//

234 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 5:17:11pm

re: #231 iceweasel

Heh. Posting from my seekrit Soros lair...
///

235 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 5:17:24pm

re: #224 PhillyPretzel

I think the August issue of Cook's Illustrated had fish spatulas rated. Wustof won.

I'm not sure what brand I have but it's one of those bbq ones with a long handle and a wide spatula. works pretty good.

236 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 5:17:33pm

re: #81 bratwurst

I knew the end was near a few months ago when he equated the lack of "manliness" in the current generation to the absence of westerns on prime time TV. Once again, I am not kidding!

The opening of careers to talented women has coincided with the attenuation of male role models in popular culture: In 1959, there were 27 Westerns on prime-time television glamorizing male responsibility.

Westerns glamorized male responsibility? How many of those dudes had wives and kids, or ever had to compromise their independence for any reason, or suffered through real setbacks or losses? I mean, I'm not an expert on 1959 Westerns, but...

237 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 5:18:17pm

re: #230 PhillyPretzel

[Link: www.cooksillustrated.com...]

Nice. They have some interesting ideas I hadn't thought of before.

238 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 5:18:58pm

re: #94 talon_262

Fuck George Will and the horse he rode in on...was he this hysterical during the Clinton years?

I don't know. I always thought he was more sensible than he's been recently. He did get bit with the Palin bug bad, though.

239 Gus  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 5:19:23pm

re: #227 iceweasel

I see we're back to pretending that Obama is weak on defense, hasn't done much more than Bush did in Afghanistan, and repeating the tradition meme that 'the left' hates america and wants american military defeat.

Damn, I'm so tired of the hippiepunching. What year is it again? Why are so many right wing memes at least 30 years old?

Speaking of 30 years old. Wasn't Nixon the president when we pulled out of Vietnam? That damn hippie.

//

240 McSpiff  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 5:20:18pm

re: #231 iceweasel

Oh yes. Tell me again how we're all Marxists, buds with Bill Ayers, and love Saul Alinsky please.

You're arguing with someone who's tagline is

"US victory in Iraq: Worst defeat for activist media since Goebbels shot himself."

Leftist defeatism memes and Nazis. Don't even waste your time on this chump ice.

241 MittDoesNotCompute  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 5:20:29pm

re: #208 Nimed

Will is what would have been described in his idyllic "good old days" as a "fuddy duddy" and a crank. As a jeans-wearing gamer who votes (Republican up till the 2008 election), George Will should just sit on it...

/"Aaay!" - The Fonz

242 albusteve  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 5:20:33pm

re: #237 Killgore Trout

Nice. They have some interesting ideas I hadn't thought of before.

the angle of the dangle is equal to the heat of the meat...grilling tools get complicated

243 Bear  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 5:20:37pm

While driving back from a walk to the river I saw a fairly large black bear with three cubs. Unfortunately no place to park and the bears went into the brush so no pictures.

244 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 5:21:07pm

re: #231 iceweasel

Oh yes. Tell me again how we're all Marxists, buds with Bill Ayers, and love Saul Alinsky please.

I haven't said any of that, Ice. Nor did I say that Obama was weak on defense or less effective than Bush in Afghanistan, quite the opposite in fact.

Ayers is not short on apologists and fans, though, and not a day passes that I don't see someone post something along the line of, "Wouldn't it be wonderful if we took this money from the military and used it for people or something good." Are these people of the right or left? We can't tell now, but we could have a year or two ago. The far right is stealing the pop-media version of peace activism, just as they are stealing Alinsky's methods, but that doesn't mean they originated them.

245 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 5:21:31pm

re: #237 Killgore Trout
I like America's Test Kitchen. That show is good.

246 The Left  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 5:21:32pm

re: #236 SanFranciscoZionist

Westerns glamorized male responsibility? How many of those dudes had wives and kids, or ever had to compromise their independence for any reason, or suffered through real setbacks or losses? I mean, I'm not an expert on 1959 Westerns, but...

I'm no expert, but isn't one of the iconic images of Western movies a little kid crying "Shane, come back!" as a guy rides away from him forever?

247 Gus  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 5:22:02pm

BIAB

248 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 5:22:12pm

re: #231 iceweasel

Oh yes. Tell me again how we're all Marxists, buds with Bill Ayers, and love Saul Alinsky please.

Oh baby boomers :D

249 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 5:22:34pm

re: #228 iceweasel

Also, Obama's real father is Malcolm X! :)

Malcolm X was indisputably an American citizen though. Birther case closed.

250 albusteve  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 5:22:53pm

re: #240 McSpiff

Leftist defeatism memes and Nazis. Don't even waste your time on this chump ice.

Shiplord a chump?
bwahahaha!
good one

251 The Left  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 5:23:44pm

re: #244 Shiplord Kirel

I haven't said any of that, Ice. Nor did I say that Obama was weak on defense or less effective than Bush in Afghanistan, quite the opposite in fact.

Ayers is not short on apologists and fans, though,

Yeah, sure.
Check out Katha Pollit's piece in the Nation called "Bill Ayers WhiteWashes History...Again" for a look at how the real antiwar left viewed Ayers and his antics, then and now.

252 McSpiff  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 5:24:18pm

re: #244 Shiplord Kirel

I haven't said any of that, Ice. Nor did I say that Obama was weak on defense or less effective than Bush in Afghanistan, quite the opposite in fact.

Ayers is not short on apologists and fans, though, and not a day passes that I don't see someone post something along the line of, "Wouldn't it be wonderful if we took this money from the military and used it for people or something good." Are these people of the right or left? We can't tell now, but we could have a year or two ago. The far right is stealing the pop-media version of peace activism, just as they are stealing Alinsky's methods, but that doesn't mean they originated them.

Just want to get this straight... if someone argues for a cut back in the DoD budget.. they're an Ayers's apologist or fan? Riiiight. Leftist terrorist behind every dumpster! Boo!

253 Varek Raith  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 5:24:43pm

re: #251 iceweasel

Yeah, sure.
Check out Katha Pollit's piece in the Nation called "Bill Ayers WhiteWashes History...Again" for a look at how the real antiwar left viewed Ayers and his antics, then and now.

Heh, look upthread.
Wonder if they are lefties...
Lol.

254 McSpiff  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 5:24:49pm

re: #250 albusteve

Shiplord a chump?
bwahahaha!
good one

If it looks like shit and smells like shit...

255 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 5:25:03pm

I wonder if Malcolm XBox is taken on XBox live

256 The Left  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 5:25:12pm

re: #240 McSpiff

Leftist defeatism memes and Nazis. Don't even waste your time on this chump ice.

Holy $#%!. never noticed that tagline. LOL

Message received, thanks.

257 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 5:25:32pm

re: #240 McSpiff

Leftist defeatism memes and Nazis. Don't even waste your time on this chump ice.

It's actually a comment on the nature of activist media, and there is no doubt of Goebbels's influence in that arena, media apologists be damned.

258 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 5:26:42pm

re: #252 McSpiff

Just want to get this straight... if someone argues for a cut back in the DoD budget.. they're an Ayers's apologist or fan? Riiight. Leftist terrorist behind every dumpster! Boo!

Strawman. The original post is there for all to see.

259 McSpiff  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 5:26:56pm

re: #257 Shiplord Kirel

It's actually a comment on the nature of activist media, and there is no doubt of Goebbels's influence in that arena, media apologists be damned.

Of course. The idea that the media was hoping for failure in Iraq has nothing to do with the tired old chants of "leftist media...leftist media...hates America". But keep trying to tie in Nazis... I'm sure it will end well for you.

260 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 5:27:47pm

re: #252 McSpiff

Just want to get this straight... if someone argues for a cut back in the DoD budget.. they're an Ayers's apologist or fan? Riiight. Leftist terrorist behind every dumpster! Boo!

We need our start-again-stop-again-start-again-stop-again development of the F-666 GigaBallistic JointBastard FireFox CyberBomber!

HOW WILL OUR GLORIOUS REPUBLIC SURVIVE WITHOUT THIS PLANE-SIZED HOAGY FILLED WITH PULLED PORK?!?!?!?!?!

261 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 5:28:02pm

re: #254 McSpiff

If it looks like shit and smells like shit...

You're the one lying about a post that is still there for all to see, shithead.

262 The Left  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 5:28:05pm

re: #258 Shiplord Kirel

Strawman. The original post is there for all to see.


It sure is!

I liked it better when you went with the one paragraph version over on KT's page. The one I knocked flat on its ass before you reposted a ginmormous version of it here. :)

263 Nimed  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 5:28:09pm

A couple of points:

re: #221 Shiplord Kirel

Just why did Obama seemingly reverse his peacenik position after the election?

He didn't. During the campaign, he was as hawkish as McCain on Afghanistan (arguably more than McCain on the issue of crossing the Pakistani border) .

Success in Afghanistan, however it might be defined, would largely overthrow the post-Vietnam leftist paradigm, particularly if it is achieved by a liberal president. LBJ folded up when he lost Cronkite, but Obama will not fold for the likes of Coulter and Limbaugh, no matter how many dittoheads and wingnuts join Code Pink in pretending that all would be peachy in the world if we only quit being mean to people in other countries.

What's the "post-Vietnam leftist paradigm"? Why would success in Afghanistan, however it may be defined, change the paradigm? Arent' Vietnam and Afghanistan, like, independent conflicts? Or is there an all-purpose solution for every single conflict? And didn't the US have successful military interventions abroad since Vietnam? Why is the paradigm still standing?

264 Varek Raith  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 5:28:32pm

re: #252 McSpiff

Just want to get this straight... if someone argues for a cut back in the DoD budget.. they're an Ayers's apologist or fan? Riiight. Leftist terrorist behind every dumpster! Boo!

Get rid of the Zumwalt.
We can start there.

265 McSpiff  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 5:30:06pm

re: #258 Shiplord Kirel

Strawman. The original post is there for all to see.

Your example of an Ayers supporter and fan was someone calling for the reduction of the DoD budget. Have you stumbled on a Ron Paul-Ayers link?! Ron Paul-Ayers-Goebbels? re: #261 Shiplord Kirel

You're the one lying about a post that is still there for all to see, shithead.

Here's the quote, I realize those who can only speak in talking points tend to be a little...slow.

Ayers is not short on apologists and fans, though, and not a day passes that I don't see someone post something along the line of, "Wouldn't it be wonderful if we took this money from the military and used it for people or something good."

You didn't even bother turning that run on monstrosity into two seperate sentences. Jesus man, keep your shit straight so the rest of us don't need to wade through it.

266 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 5:30:23pm

re: #263 Nimed

A couple of points:

What's the "post-Vietnam leftist paradigm"?

Armchair partisan psuedo-psych :D

Best spoken aloud while waving a highball glass at the computer screen

267 Nimed  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 5:30:34pm

re: #241 talon_262

Will is what would have been described in his idyllic "good old days" as a "fuddy duddy" and a crank. As a jeans-wearing gamer who votes (Republican up till the 2008 election), George Will should just sit on it...

/"Aaay!" - The Fonz

lol. I agree with your diagnose of Will -- couldn't resist caricaturing his, huh, stance on the issue of pants a little bit.

268 Mocking Jay  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 5:34:11pm

My bratwurst was good, by the way. Over-cooked the beans a little, though. :(

269 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 5:34:16pm

George Will. He bunts.

270 MittDoesNotCompute  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 5:34:35pm

re: #254 McSpiff

If it looks like shit and smells like shit...

...it's probably you! Ohhhhhhh!re: #264 Varek Raith

Get rid of the [Video]Zumwalt.
We can start there.

What would you have replace the the Ticonderoga or Arleigh Burke class ships? Or would you have them soldier on a couple of more decades (or more)?

271 Varek Raith  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 5:35:54pm

re: #270 talon_262

What would you have replace the the Ticonderoga or Arleigh Burke class ships? Or would you have them soldier on a couple of more decades (or more)?

The Navy is only going to build 3 Zumwalts.
It's waaayyy too expensive to mass produce.
What good will 3 do?

272 MittDoesNotCompute  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 5:36:34pm

re: #270 talon_262

Whoops....that comment should've been split and a sarc tag on the first part.

273 McSpiff  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 5:36:34pm

re: #270 talon_262

What would you have replace the the Ticonderoga or Arleigh Burke class ships? Or would you have them soldier on a couple of more decades (or more)?

More LCSs and more SSGN conversions.

274 Varek Raith  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 5:37:37pm

re: #273 McSpiff

More LCSs and more SSGN conversions.

The LCS looks like a Star Destroyer.
SWEET.
Image: in-dock-prior-to-launch-738694.JPG

275 MittDoesNotCompute  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 5:42:08pm

re: #274 Varek Raith

The LCS looks like a Star Destroyer.
SWEET.
Image: in-dock-prior-to-launch-738694.JPG

I agree that the LCS designs are very useful and very cool, but, AFAIK, they aren't meant to fully replace destroyers...any ideas?

276 McSpiff  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 5:42:56pm

re: #275 talon_262

I agree that the LCS designs are very useful and very cool, but, AFAIK, they aren't meant to fully replace destroyers...any ideas?

As Varek pointed out, neither is the Zumwalt.

277 Varek Raith  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 5:43:56pm

re: #275 talon_262

I agree that the LCS designs are very useful and very cool, but, AFAIK, they aren't meant to fully replace destroyers...any ideas?

Nope, they're coastal.
As for a new DD.
I don't know.
We need a design we can make hundreds of.
The issue with the Zumwalt is that, iirc, the cost 3.3 billion a piece.
Ouch.

278 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 5:44:49pm

re: #263 Nimed

A couple of points:
What's the "post-Vietnam leftist paradigm"? Why would success in Afghanistan, however it may be defined, change the paradigm? Arent' Vietnam and Afghanistan, like, independent conflicts? Or is there an all-purpose solution for every single conflict? And didn't the US have successful military interventions abroad since Vietnam? Why is the paradigm still standing?

As I have been trying to say, the "post-Vietnam leftist paradigm" is the perception that weakness on defense is tied to liberal politics. As others have observed in their misbegotten and ill-considered attacks on me personally, this is largely an invention of the far right and its powerful media wing.
The liberal (by American standards) Obama is in a good position to reverse this for good.

279 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 5:45:35pm

re: #202 albusteve

he may have been referring to cash for clunkers, union bailouts and commie carrots in the WH...just a guess

Right. Such a lurch. So shocking. So radical.

280 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 5:48:00pm

re: #208 Nimed

I always thought that denim was the humble but proud uniform of a nation that valued hard work and practicality over the pomp and circumstance of European-style haute couture.

Boy, I guess I suck at this American stuff.

(Full disclosure. I am wearing a pair of Land's End jeans (12 bucks on sale!) as I write this, and my husband is a gamer.

281 McSpiff  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 5:48:05pm

re: #278 Shiplord Kirel

But when Clinton bombed Yugoslavia, it was a cover for domestic issues. Wingnut talking points can't be defeated by reality, because they have no basis in it.

282 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 5:49:12pm

re: #217 Nimed

WE'RE DOOMED! THEY LET PEOPLE WHO PLAY VIDEO GAMES -- "GAMERS" -- VOTE! JUST LIKE WHAT HAPPENED IN THE FALL OF THE ROMAN EMPIRE!!1!

Yes, I understand they had to drag the Wii controls out of Diocletian's hands to get him to sign anything.

283 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 5:49:38pm

re: #222 Gus 802

Does she tie it in with the Ultra-Super-Duper-Mega-Giga-Giant-Cordoba House Mosque and Terrorist Training Camp™ they're going to be building next to Ground Zero?

//

Does it float?

284 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 5:51:11pm

re: #239 Gus 802

Speaking of 30 years old. Wasn't Nixon the president when we pulled out of Vietnam? That damn hippie.

//

Damn defeatist enviro-whacko hippie Richard Nixon was. He was right. We don't have him to kick around anymore.

285 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 5:54:09pm

re: #246 iceweasel

I'm no expert, but isn't one of the iconic images of Western movies a little kid crying "Shane, come back!" as a guy rides away from him forever?

Now, those "Father Knows Best"-type sitcoms. Those actually did, if not glamorize, praise male responsibility. Say what you will about the Cleavers, Ward went to his job every day, had the talk with the Beav when needed, grilled on command, and never ran off with a cocktail waitress.

286 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 5:54:26pm

re: #249 Shiplord Kirel

Malcolm X was indisputably an American citizen though. Birther case closed.

Damn. There must be a way to pull the two together.

287 Varek Raith  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 5:54:32pm

I think we really need to go back to the drawing board for a new DD.
One that can be built in plentiful numbers without costing the entire DoD budget for 10+ years.

288 McSpiff  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 5:55:42pm

re: #287 Varek Raith

I think we really need to go back to the drawing board for a new DD.
One that can be built in plentiful numbers without costing the entire DoD budget for 10+ years.

Make it modular, and let allies buy them and make and sell modules back to the US. Create a bit more of a market economy.

289 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 5:57:43pm

re: #281 McSpiff

But when Clinton bombed Yugoslavia, it was a cover for domestic issues. Wingnut talking points can't be defeated by reality, because they have no basis in it.

The right flirted with isolationism during that one. Milosevics's biggest advocate was probably uber-wingnut congressman Bob Barr, for example. It didn't undercut the paradigm largely because it didn't last long enough for right-wing peace movements to really take hold. We were back to political business as usual within 3 months.

An observation: The distinction between "leftist" and "liberal" doesn't seem to exist in American political discourse anymore. If so, Limbaugh, Coulter, and other like-minded media activists have succeeded in altering the very terms of debate to their advantage.
JFK and George Orwell would definitely have understood.

290 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 5:59:23pm

re: #289 Shiplord Kirel


An observation: The distinction between "leftist" and "liberal" doesn't seem to exist in American political discourse anymore. If so, Limbaugh, Coulter, and other like-minded media activists have succeeded in altering the very terms of debate to their advantage.
JFK and George Orwell would definitely have understood.

It is tricky, these days.

291 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 6:00:02pm

re: #284 SanFranciscoZionist

Damn defeatist enviro-whacko hippie Richard Nixon was. He was right. We don't have him to kick around anymore.

Nixon was a liberal by current standards.

292 MittDoesNotCompute  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 6:00:51pm

re: #276 McSpiff

As Varek pointed out, neither is the Zumwalt.


re: #277 Varek Raith

Nope, they're coastal.
As for a new DD.
I don't know.
We need a design we can make hundreds of.
The issue with the Zumwalt is that, iirc, the cost 3.3 billion a piece.
Ouch.

I'll agree that the Zumwalt class is very expensive (literally B-2 Spirit expensive)...maybe the Navy Labs needs to get with General Dynamics to adapt the best features of the class to a less-costly design.

293 McSpiff  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 6:01:09pm

re: #289 Shiplord Kirel

The right flirted with isolationism during that one. Milosevics's biggest advocate was probably uber-wingnut congressman Bob Barr, for example. It didn't undercut the paradigm largely because it didn't last long enough for right-wing peace movements to really take hold. We were back to political business as usual within 3 months.

Agreed, but it still wouldn't have changed the "leftist defeatism" meme in my opinion.


An observation: The distinction between "leftist" and "liberal" doesn't seem to exist in American political discourse anymore. If so, Limbaugh, Coulter, and other like-minded media activists have succeeded in altering the very terms of debate to their advantage.
JFK and George Orwell would definitely have understood.

Big agreement here. I'd also add Democrat as a synonym for the other two. And when you let your opponent frame the debate, and force you into a label you'll lose. Every time.

294 Varek Raith  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 6:01:56pm

re: #292 talon_262

I'll agree that the Zumwalt class is very expensive (literally B-2 Spirit expensive)...maybe the Navy Labs needs to get with General Dynamics to adapt the best features of the class to a less-costly design.

Yep.
That is a definite start.

295 Varek Raith  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 6:05:54pm

Hmmm....
Maybe the Navy should just build a supership.
A 1600 meter, wedged shape supership...
;)

296 McSpiff  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 6:06:59pm

re: #295 Varek Raith

Hmmm...
Maybe the Navy should just build a supership.
A 1600 meter, wedged shape supership...
;)

But who would ever be able to command it?

297 Varek Raith  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 6:07:59pm

re: #296 McSpiff

But who would ever be able to command it?

It'll be tough.
I suppose I'll take the burden.

298 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 6:11:45pm

re: #293 McSpiff

Big agreement here. I'd also add Democrat as a synonym for the other two. And when you let your opponent frame the debate, and force you into a label you'll lose. Every time.

Liberals= Obama, John Kerry, JFK, Teddy Roosevelt.
Leftists= Bill Ayers, Code Pink, International ANSWER, Ramsey Clark (in his post-AG incarnation).

This has taken hold to such an extent that any attack on left-wing defeatism is automatically assumed to apply to Democrats and liberals as well. I think Reagan may have started this, but it was the media-right that turned "left/liberal" into standard usage.

Incidentally, you should have seen the shit I got for defending Kerry's military record back in '04, even though it was, like, factual.

299 Nimed  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 7:02:39pm

re: #280 SanFranciscoZionist

I always thought that denim was the humble but proud uniform of a nation that valued hard work and practicality over the pomp and circumstance of European-style haute couture.

Boy, I guess I suck at this American stuff.

(Full disclosure. I am wearing a pair of Land's End jeans (12 bucks on sale!) as I write this, and my husband is a gamer.

It's hard to find a truly disinterested party the matters of pants & video games.


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