Nick Fury, Agent of S.H.I.E.L.D., Issue #4 (September 1968)

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Artist Jim Steranko’s radical re-imagining of Marvel’s “Sgt. Fury” character reached a pop art pinnacle in this classic cover image from the Lizard Collection: Nick Fury, Agent of S.H.I.E.L.D., issue #4, published in September 1968. This is one of our best-preserved comic books, with a flawless cover, white pages, and bright unfaded inks, and will be in the next group we send to the CGC for grading.

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(Camera: tripod-mounted Nikon D90 with 18-105mm Nikkor zoom lens and polarizing filter, tethered to a MacBook Pro with Nikon Camera Control software.)

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501 comments
1 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 6:48:26pm

Good stuff. It was fairly good how Marvel was able to bring the character into the post-war world.

2 Cato the Elder  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 6:48:34pm

Hah! I shot a pattern group like that once.

3 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 7:08:39pm

The Germans are bombing Pearl Harbor on AMC.

4 researchok  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 7:11:24pm

re: #3 MandyManners

The Germans are bombing Pearl Harbor on AMC.

Again????

5 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 7:17:32pm

re: #3 MandyManners

The Germans are bombing Pearl Harbor on AMC.

During the "I Love Lucy" marathon?

6 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 7:18:15pm

re: #4 researchok

Again???

But this time we have Ben Affleck and Cuba Gooding, Jr. on our side.

7 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 7:18:47pm

re: #5 Walter L. Newton

During the "I Love Lucy" marathon?

Channel-surfing during commercials.

8 prairiefire  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 7:20:10pm

re: #5 Walter L. Newton

Hi, Walter. We made it to Dillon and we are enjoying the scenery.

9 researchok  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 7:20:25pm

re: #6 MandyManners

But this time we have Ben Affleck and Cuba Gooding, Jr. on our side.

Understood. I just hope it works out better on AMC.

I'm only mentioning that because James Cameron's Titanic had the exact same ending as the earlier version of the movie.

10 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 7:21:03pm

re: #9 researchok

Understood. I just hope it works out better on AMC.

I'm only mentioning that because James Cameron's Titanic had the exact same ending as the earlier version of the movie.

Lack of creative juices.

11 freetoken  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 7:21:21pm

re: #3 MandyManners

The Germans are bombing Pearl Harbor on AMC.

Heh.

12 researchok  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 7:21:35pm

re: #10 MandyManners

Lack of creative juices.

Movie version of SSDD

13 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 7:22:24pm

re: #10 MandyManners

Lack of creative juices.

Yes, because having fighter pilots fly bombers for the portion of the movie is so creative.

14 albusteve  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 7:24:48pm

Nick is certainly well armed eh?

15 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 7:24:56pm

re: #8 prairiefire

Hi, Walter. We made it to Dillon and we are enjoying the scenery.

Good... on the way home from work (the supermarket) I heard there was a bad accident on I70 and it was closed, and they were diverting traffic to I40 (which is the "business" route, otherwise know as the old rote before the interstate)... I work 4:15pm until 10:00pm tomorrow, so if you need to call and speak to me, I'll be home until baout 4:00pm... otherwise, I will wait for a call Tuesday morning sometime.

Glad you made it here safe... it's going to be chilly tonight, hope you brought some jackets.

16 Bagua  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 7:25:44pm

BP Oil Spill Endgame?

This weekend has seen a remarkable series of events in the ongoing spill saga. The previous Top Hat and choke line links were collecting a fair amount of oil and gas from the leak. Estimates vary as to what percentage of the total leak was being captured, so I will put aside such speculation as we may soon have real numbers to work with.

The decision was made to remove the partially successful Top Hat and return to a modified top kill procedure. This involves a hot stab of a second BOP stack which is also a hybrid collection device.

To achieve this, they had to let the leak free flow while this next procedure was done. It is free flowing now, but the procedure, which I'll briefly outline below has been going extremely well, and the hard part is over.

17 freetoken  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 7:27:45pm

re: #16 Bagua

I guess my question is if the "bottom kill" is getting close, why are they spending so much effort on a new an improved collection cap?

18 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 7:29:19pm

wavy 60's psychedelic designs amidst comic book heroes make me happy

19 Ebetty  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 7:29:28pm

Howdy Mandy!

20 prairiefire  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 7:30:45pm

re: #15 Walter L. Newton

Yes, we have a fire going in the condo's fireplace. I will give you a call tomorrow before 4. We passed CO 74 on our way up here, so we made a note of it. We can talk about what time to meet at the pizza place.
How long is the drive from 74 to Tiny Town, do you think?
The altitude is bothering the kids a bit.

21 darthstar  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 7:31:09pm

re: #17 freetoken

I guess my question is if the "bottom kill" is getting close, why are they spending so much effort on a new an improved collection cap?

If they can cap it before they kill it, they can mask how much oil is actually leaking. The new cap will have a BOP type feature, so they can reduce leakage to almost nothing (tighter seal) and then extract exactly as much oil as they want from the well until the bottom-kill is done.

22 Ebetty  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 7:31:10pm

re: #6 MandyManners

Good news is that Josh Hartnett is adorable in that movie.

23 Bagua  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 7:31:39pm

re: #17 freetoken

I guess my question is if the "bottom kill" is getting close, why are they spending so much effort on a new an improved collection cap?

This is an excellent question. I believe the answer is in several parts.

1. While the first relief well is very close, it may fail and the leak could go on.

2. We are in storm season and there could be periods of letting the leak free flow.

3. As the new top kill could blow up the BOP or well and create a massively larger leak, it is good to know there is a relief well nearly complete.

4. If this works, no more oil leak while the surface ships are linked, and, it can be connected to a pipeline if needed so it wouldn't be left to leak during hurricanes.

24 prairiefire  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 7:32:00pm

re: #22 Ebetty

Good news is that Josh Hartnett is adorable in that movie.

Ben Affleck gets my vote.

25 Ebetty  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 7:32:51pm

re: #24 prairiefire

He's ALWAYS adorable. Quite a handsome and gallant fella in that movie.

26 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 7:34:11pm

re: #23 Bagua

This is an excellent question. I believe the answer is in several parts.

1. While the first relief well is very close, it may fail and the leak could go on.

2. We are in storm season and there could be periods of letting the leak free flow.

3. As the new top kill could blow up the BOP or well and create a massively larger leak, it is good to know there is a relief well nearly complete.

4. If this works, no more oil leak while the surface ships are linked, and, it can be connected to a pipeline if needed so it wouldn't be left to leak during hurricanes.

I do hope it works. The damage is already extreme.

27 Four More Tears  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 7:35:09pm

Steranko was a man ahead of his time.

28 Ebetty  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 7:39:10pm

Affleck and Harnett are fine. But real men are in The Expendables. This trailer cracks me up.

Youtube Video
29 Bagua  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 7:42:44pm

Below is a picture of the BOP top that the Top Hat was on. Note the crimped riser connected to the flange with bolts. They must twist off these bolts, so as to bolt on the Transition spool.

Riser with the Top Hat removed.

And here is a video of the top part of that flange being removed after the bolts have been removed. This went very well, on the first try, and without resort to the backup tool.

Youtube Video
30 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 7:44:17pm

re: #19 Ebetty

Howdy Mandy!

Howdy, backatcha'!

I'm heading to bed in a few. Have a good night.

31 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 7:45:03pm

Everyone please head back to the previous thread and downding comment #334. It's actual overt racism, and it deserves to have a negative karma in Annefrance territory.

32 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 7:45:43pm

re: #28 Ebetty

Affleck and Harnett are fine. But real men are in The Expendables. This trailer cracks me up.


[Video]

Looks like an action hero retirement community...

For a mercenary picture I'll stick to _Dogs of War_. And the novel was better than the movie in any case.

33 Ebetty  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 7:47:13pm

re: #28 Ebetty

Oops...here is the "Call to Arms" trailer for the fellas.

Youtube Video
34 Ebetty  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 7:48:27pm

re: #30 MandyManners

Have a goodnight. Hope you had a nice evening!

35 researchok  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 7:49:46pm

Great action scenes, transitioning to heroic overworked and overwhelmed really good looking nurse scenes.

I'm looking out for the really hot librarian heroine scene.

36 Irenicum  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 7:51:23pm

re: #31 Dark_Falcon

Thanks for the heads up DF. Done. and you're right, it's disgusting.

37 Ebetty  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 7:51:51pm

re: #31 Dark_Falcon

Done.

38 Bagua  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 7:53:21pm

The next step is to hot stab the Transition Spool, which has a flange that can be bolted to the half of a flange still on the BOP. It has a lower, angled bit of pipe called a Mule Shoe which helps it fit in place so that the holes on the flange are lined up, and helps it guide past the two Drill Pipes in the center.

Transition Spool

Here is the actual Transition Spool being tested over a mock-up of the BOP and half of the flange, with the top half removed. Notice the two Drill Pipes in the middle. (There should only be the one.)

Notice the angled pipe called a Mule Shoe that will insert into the flange as a guide. Also the two heavy guide pins into the hole through which the choke and kill lines used to go.

The bolts are showing as well.

On top, is a nipple that will be used to make a seal to the new BOP stack.

39 Four More Tears  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 7:54:20pm

re: #33 Ebetty

Oops...here is the "Call to Arms" trailer for the fellas.

[Video]

That's one of the best trailers I've seen in a long time. Thanks for posting that.

40 Ebetty  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 7:56:02pm

re: #39 JasonA

Thanks! It's too funny. In our house it's all Eat, Pray, Love all the time. Though I confess I can't wait to see Red w/ Helen Mirren and Bruce Willis. Sometimes a girl needs a little spice! Plus, what isn't delicious about Mirren carrying an ouzi!

41 Bagua  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 7:57:39pm

And here is a video of the Transition Spool being hot stabbed, lowered from a surface ship a mile up on the surface.

Once in place, the oil and gas flows freely out the top and the Transition spool can be bolted on the flange. The first true top connection seal that has been attacked to the BOP!

This went amazingly well and they are bolting it on right now, about half done.

And yes, Bagua has a short video of the actual mounting of the Transition Spool for your viewing pleasure.

Youtube Video

This is a huge step forward, but also a new hazard.

42 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 7:57:43pm

re: #16 Bagua

I REALLY appreciate you input and updates.
This is too heart-breaking for me to "read all about it".
So, your updates are greatly appreciated!

Have you done some LGF pages on it?
Your input would make great pages!

*waves*

43 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 7:57:58pm

re: #36 Irenicum

Thanks for the heads up DF. Done. and you're right, it's disgusting.

Thanks. That post is the worst thing I've seen on LGF in a long time.

44 Irenicum  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 8:00:22pm

re: #43 Dark_Falcon

No kidding. That little piece of shit troll will definitely die in its infancy and deservedly so.

45 Irenicum  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 8:01:00pm

re: #38 Bagua

Heh, you said nipple.

46 zora  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 8:01:12pm

re: #40 Ebetty

just checked out the red trailer. looks like it'll be great. love helen mirren.

47 Bagua  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 8:03:32pm

re: #42 Floral Giraffe

I REALLY appreciate you input and updates.
This is too heart-breaking for me to "read all about it".
So, your updates are greatly appreciated!

Have you done some LGF pages on it?
Your input would make great pages!

*waves*

Thanks sweetie. Yes it is crossposted on the BaguaPage for those who want one link.

48 Bagua  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 8:04:53pm

re: #41 Bagua


This is the video of the Transition Spool being hotstabbed. The first link was bad.

Youtube Video
49 Macha  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 8:05:00pm

re: #18 WindUpBird

wavy 60's psychedelic designs amidst comic book heroes make me happy

Yeah, me too. It looks like Op-art which was new and trendy then.

50 Bagua  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 8:06:36pm

re: #45 Irenicum

Heh, you said nipple.

Don't misbehave during a technical update or I will have to send you to the principal's office. Who is no pal of the naughty.

51 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 8:06:47pm

re: #44 Irenicum

No kidding. That little piece of shit troll will definitely die in its infancy and deservedly so.

It's already dead. The account has been blocked.

52 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 8:13:34pm

re: #48 Bagua

That looks like the leak is stopped. Is that right?

53 Bagua  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 8:13:52pm

re: #21 darthstar

If they can cap it before they kill it, they can mask how much oil is actually leaking. The new cap will have a BOP type feature, so they can reduce leakage to almost nothing (tighter seal) and then extract exactly as much oil as they want from the well until the bottom-kill is done.

Too paranoid. The new cap will indicate exactly how much is leaking before they try to shut it off. They will not try to close it initially.

54 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 8:14:51pm

BAGUA -

Your updates are great!

Collect your posts in this thread, and links, and make a page, please.

btw - I couldn't get your photos to work for me. If you could just link regularly, that would be great.

55 Irenicum  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 8:15:14pm

From the thread below (slightly edited):

Obituary for missy2432:

missy 2432 was born into this world earlier this evening at 7:10 pm PST. Upon being slapped on the ass the newborn immediately let loose with a vile screech that burned the ears of anyone within earshot. This newborn was so seriously deformed in body and spirit that the doctors and nurses immediately realized it didn't have much of a life expectancy. She succumbed to her own malignity less than an hour into her young life. In lieu of flowers, donations may be sent to SPLC or the ACLU.

56 freetoken  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 8:17:19pm

re: #55 Irenicum

Obituary for missy2432:

missy 2432 was born into this world earlier this evening at 7:10 pm PST.

WHERE'S THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE?!?!

57 Irenicum  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 8:19:23pm

re: #56 freetoken

You'd have to travel to hell to find that ones birth certificate.

58 Bagua  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 8:19:47pm

re: #52 Rightwingconspirator

That looks like the leak is stopped. Is that right?

Nope. It is now leaking from the top of the Transition Spool which is out of sight of the camera.

They have yet to finish bolting this on at the flange, after-which they will attempt to stab the "Sealing Cap" on top.

The Sealing Cap is a modified BOP with three rams. But also set to free-flow, with several connections that can flow up to 3.5 million barrels per day. Much more that the highest estimates. They can connect these one at a time and slowly stop the free-flow, all the while monitoring pressure.

Once fully linked, all the oil and gas will flow to the surface ships. And they still have three new BOP rams as a fall back to achieve a full shut off, should they think that safe.

59 Four More Tears  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 8:20:51pm

re: #56 freetoken

WHERE'S THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE?!?!

Somehow I doubt this one is in Africa...

60 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 8:20:59pm

re: #47 Bagua

Thanks sweetie. Yes it is crossposted on the BaguaPage for those who want one link.

Thanks.
That's much easier to follow.
You've done a great job with this research, Bagua.

61 Bagua  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 8:21:02pm

re: #54 reine.de.tout

BAGUA -

Your updates are great!

Collect your posts in this thread, and links, and make a page, please.

btw - I couldn't get your photos to work for me. If you could just link regularly, that would be great.

Thanks Riene, you mean when you click the links the picture doesn't open in a shadowbox?

Here is a link to the BaguaPage

62 Irenicum  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 8:21:20pm

re: #58 Bagua

I must say in all seriousness that I've very impressed with your expertise in this area. I'm so glad we have you here as a fellow lizard.

63 Irenicum  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 8:21:52pm

re: #62 Irenicum

Oops, I've should be I'm.

64 Bagua  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 8:22:19pm

re: #62 Irenicum

I must say in all seriousness that I've very impressed with your expertise in this area. I'm so glad we have you here as a fellow lizard.

*Blushes*

Glad to be here mate.

65 austin_blue  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 8:24:33pm

re: #17 freetoken

I guess my question is if the "bottom kill" is getting close, why are they spending so much effort on a new an improved collection cap?

Every bbl captured is one they don't have to pay taxes on, or pay for the impact.

66 Bagua  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 8:26:12pm

Here is a link to the various ROV cams.

Notice the top left cam, which is ROV #1 from the vessel Ocean Intervention III
shows them torquing the bolts holding the new, yellow, Transition Spool onto the flange on top of the BOP. The oil and gas is gushing out above the picture frame.

This is a big step.

67 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 8:27:43pm

re: #65 austin_blue

Every bbl captured is one they don't have to pay taxes on, or pay for the impact.

And money in the bank, too. Though this oil is worth a bit less than light, sweet crude. It's a good bit heavier, though from what my father has described the BP refineries in Houston will have no trouble with it.

68 Bagua  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 8:28:08pm

re: #65 austin_blue

Every bbl captured is one they don't have to pay taxes on, or pay for the impact.

Good to see you. Also they may genuinely just want to stop the leak and capture the oil. I don't think it is necessary to always look for a sinister spin on every action they take. They are trying to stop the leak.

69 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 8:29:29pm

Grilled Mahi came out awesome!

70 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 8:30:06pm

re: #69 Killgore Trout

Did the kitties get some scraps?

71 Bagua  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 8:30:09pm

re: #67 Dark_Falcon

And money in the bank, too. Though this oil is worth a bit less than light, sweet crude. It's a good bit heavier, though from what my father has described the BP refineries in Houston will have no trouble with it.

No trouble at all, but there is no real financial incentive due to the value of the oil as it costs more to collect it than it is worth. The only financial gain is what Austin_Blue mentioned, less spill damage and liability.

72 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 8:32:22pm

re: #71 Bagua

No trouble at all, but there is no real financial incentive due to the value of the oil as it costs more to collect it than it is worth. The only financial gain is what Austin_Blue mentioned, less spill damage and liability.

Thanks, that I did not know.

73 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 8:32:59pm

re: #70 Floral Giraffe

Did the kitties get some scraps?

Not this time. I usually save a few craps of unseasoned fish which I cook just for them but I've been eating sardine sadwiches for lunch a lot these days so they've been eating plenty of fish recently. I've also never tried feeding them grilled fish before. I'm not sure if they'd like it.

74 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 8:33:07pm

re: #6 MandyManners

But this time we have Ben Affleck and Cuba Gooding, Jr. on our side.

I miss you more then Michael Bay missed the mark
When he made Pearl Harbor
I miss you more than that movie missed the point
And that's an awful lot girl
And now, now you've gone away
And all I'm trying to say is
Pearl Harbor sucked, and I miss you.

75 Mad Al-Jaffee  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 8:34:21pm

Does "The Lizard Collection" mean that we'll all get a piece of the profits when you sell them? :)

And did you never collect any DC books back in the day?

76 austin_blue  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 8:35:25pm

re: #68 Bagua

Good to see you. Also they may genuinely just want to stop the leak and capture the oil. I don't think it is necessary to always look for a sinister spin on every action they take. They are trying to stop the leak.

Oh, I absolutely think they do! Don't misunderstand me. It's not sinister, it's business. It was business that got their ass in a crack, also.

77 Bagua  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 8:35:46pm

re: #72 Dark_Falcon

Thanks, that I did not know.

Figure in the cost of using drill ships to gather the oil, the support vessels and ROVs. The little bit the oil is worth is nothing compared to this. Also, I believe BP is donating all the proceeds from collected oil.

Alternatively, the potential liability and fines for every spilled barrel far exceeds the value of a barrel.

78 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 8:36:47pm

This evening, I opened, for the first time in five years, the storage unit in our apartment building into which we shoved some boxes when we moved in.

We didn't use the space as wisely as we could have, or will in the future. Then again, we were practically insane by that point in the move, so I don't know if there's any way we could have, under the circumstances.

79 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 8:36:48pm

re: #58 Bagua

Okay thanks for straightening me out on that. I take it the risk of a shut off is pressure might break the well under the BOP?

80 Bagua  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 8:37:01pm

re: #76 austin_blue

Oh, I absolutely think they do! Don't misunderstand me. It's not sinister, it's business. It was business that got their ass in a crack, also.

Agreed. The financial motive is primary for a private company. Even the PR stuff and charity has financial implications.

81 Mad Al-Jaffee  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 8:37:07pm

I finished watching season 3 of Burn Notice tonight. I hope to catch up with season 4 this week and start watching new episodes on tv. Bruce Campbell rocks.

82 prairiefire  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 8:39:13pm

re: #78 SanFranciscoZionist

This evening, I opened, for the first time in five years, the storage unit in our apartment building into which we shoved some boxes when we moved in.

We didn't use the space as wisely as we could have, or will in the future. Then again, we were practically insane by that point in the move, so I don't know if there's any way we could have, under the circumstances.

Is it Pandora's box?

83 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 8:39:49pm

re: #78 SanFranciscoZionist

This evening, I opened, for the first time in five years, the storage unit in our apartment building into which we shoved some boxes when we moved in.

We didn't use the space as wisely as we could have, or will in the future. Then again, we were practically insane by that point in the move, so I don't know if there's any way we could have, under the circumstances.

If you haven't seen or used it in 5 years, may I suggest a garage sale?
Cash for clunkers, if you care to think of it that way!

84 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 8:40:43pm

re: #82 prairiefire

Is it Pandora's box?

Well, I've relocated much of the Jewish Feminist Collection, which may or may not be much use to me these days...most of my activist energies go into pro-Israel stuff. I also located two boxes of opened Kleenex, which we have apparently been storing carefully for five years.

And a lot of fabric.

85 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 8:41:07pm

re: #84 SanFranciscoZionist

Well, I've relocated much of the Jewish Feminist Collection, which may or may not be much use to me these days...most of my activist energies go into pro-Israel stuff. I also located two boxes of opened Kleenex, which we have apparently been storing carefully for five years.

And a lot of fabric.

Also, my framed bat mitzvah certificate from Temple Emanu-El.

86 Bagua  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 8:41:09pm

re: #79 Rightwingconspirator

Okay thanks for straightening me out on that. I take it the risk of a shut off is pressure might break the well under the BOP?

Austin_Blue can give a better answer. Basically stopping the free flow could increase pressure to he point of rupturing the BOP, the wellhead, and the structure down hole, which is already believed to be compromised. The result would be a much bigger leak with no option to cap or top kill.

Also, the new Sealing Cap helps with the bottom kill. A rupture makes it much more difficult, perhaps impossible to bottom kill with the relief wells.

87 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 8:42:54pm

re: #84 SanFranciscoZionist

You'd have a fun garage sale.
Haul it out, ask a lot of money, tell them to come back at 12, if it's not sold, you'll negotiate price then.
WATCH yourself & your husband. I bet you both try to save *ahem* stuff* that's not been missed in storage for 5 years.
Cash would be very nice....

88 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 8:44:42pm

Heh. ;)

89 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 8:45:27pm

re: #88 iceweasel

Says the fabulous owner of a new avatar!
Hey, you must be a trucker's lady, right?
///

90 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 8:46:04pm

re: #87 Floral Giraffe

You'd have a fun garage sale.
Haul it out, ask a lot of money, tell them to come back at 12, if it's not sold, you'll negotiate price then.
WATCH yourself & your husband. I bet you both try to save *ahem* stuff* that's not been missed in storage for 5 years.
Cash would be very nice...

Most of it really isn't saleable, but I'll see what we find as we proceed. One box is largely office supplies, which we actually can use.

91 Cato the Elder  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 8:46:56pm

Apropos "Missy" - the racist rosebud on the last thread - Iceweasel reminded me of this song (which is not at all racist):

Youtube Video

which in turn reminded me of this old German folk version of the "death song", something known in all lands of the world:

Youtube Video

"Missy" would do well to keep mortality in mind before she burns down her own house with hate.

Here are the German lyrics. Working on a translation right now. Let's just say it's all about the Grim Reaper and flowers, most of whose names have double meanings.

Es ist ein Schnitter, der heißt Tod.
Hat Gewalt vom großen Gott:
Heut' wetzt er das Messer,
es schneid't schon viel besser,
bald wird er drein schneiden,
wir müssen's wohl leiden.
Hüt' dich, schöns Blümelein!

Was heut' noch grün und frisch da steht,
wird morgen weggemäht:
die edel Narzissel,
die englische Schlüssel,
der schön Hyazinth,
die türkische Bind'.
Hüt' dich, schöns Blümelein!

Viel hunderttausend ungezählt,
unter der Sichel hinfällt:
rot Rosen, weiß Lilien,
bald wird er austilgen,
ihr Kaiserkronen,
man wird euch nicht schonen.
Hüt' dich, schöns Blümelein!

O König, Kaiser, Fürst und Herr
fürcht Euch vorm Schnitter sehr!
Der Herzensbetrüger,
je länger, je lieber,
macht alles herunter,
tut keinem besonder.
Hüt' dich, schöns Blümelein!

Er macht so gar kein' Underschied,
nimmt alles in einem Schnitt.
Papst, König und Kaiser,
Fürstpalast und Häuser,
Ah! da liegens beisammen,
man weiß kaum ein' Namen.
Hüt' dich, schöns Blümelein!

Es ist ein Schnitter, der heißt Tod
Hat Gewalt vom großen Gott:
Heut' wetzt er das Messer,
es schneid't schon viel besser,
bald wird er drein schneiden,
dann müßt Ihr's wohl leiden.
Hüt' dich, schöns Blümelein!

92 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 8:47:25pm

re: #89 Floral Giraffe

Says the fabulous owner of a new avatar!
Hey, you must be a trucker's lady, right?
///

Hey cutie! S'up? avatar explained at link. Feministing blah blah long story.

93 Bagua  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 8:49:28pm

Why do they call the short pipe with flanges on both ends a Transition Spool?

Because it looks like an old thread spool.

94 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 8:52:07pm

re: #92 iceweasel

LOL!
"A blog festooned with breasts"!

95 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 8:52:12pm

And tonight the Diary of Dorkus features Rodan whining that Charles is talking about the Neo-Confederates. His followers are with him too, including 1389AD who openly professes the following:

Here’s to Greater Serbia, a free Dixie, and the obliteration of Islam!

The second of those three thing is true right now. The other two represent a desire for mass murder. Nice crowd you've got with you, Rodan.

96 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 8:53:36pm

re: #94 Floral Giraffe

LOL!
"A blog festooned with breasts"!

Festoooooooned! i just like the way she says it. hilarious. Nimed reminded me of this vid the other night. I was changing the avatar anyway because of a comment WUB made about trucker mudflaps, lol.

97 Cato the Elder  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 8:54:39pm

I woke up one morning festooned with breasts.

It was nice!

98 Irenicum  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 8:55:13pm

re: #97 Cato the Elder

Oh Cato, you're such a boob.

99 Nimed  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 8:56:29pm

re: #18 WindUpBird

wavy 60's psychedelic designs amidst comic book heroes make me happy

It's the simple things, you know.

100 Cato the Elder  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 8:56:52pm

re: #98 Irenicum

Oh Cato, you're such a boob.

Better than festooned with beasts, in any case...

101 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 8:57:02pm

re: #88 iceweasel

Love the new avatar.

102 Gus  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 8:57:04pm

Why? Why oh why.

103 Irenicum  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 8:58:43pm

re: #100 Cato the Elder

Indeed. Then you'd have to be defestooned immediately.

104 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 8:59:17pm

re: #96 iceweasel

Festoooned! i just like the way she says it. hilarious. Nimed reminded me of this vid the other night. I was changing the avatar anyway because of a comment WUB made about trucker mudflaps, lol.

105 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 9:00:05pm

re: #96 iceweasel

"Fenestrated" is another great word. As is defenestrated.

106 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 9:00:42pm

re: #105 Floral Giraffe

"Fenestrated" is another great word. As is defenestrated.

We do that to trolls all the time here.

107 Irenicum  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 9:02:41pm

Courtesy of PajamaJokes just now on twitter:

ACCIDENTS Take MINUTE but SUFFERINGS Last a LIFETIME Plz ensure dat Helmets n Condoms r worn on appropriate heads during Respective rides !!

108 Ben G. Hazi  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 9:02:46pm

re: #95 Dark_Falcon

And tonight the Diary of Dorkus features Rodan whining that Charles is talking about the Neo-Confederates. His followers are with him too, including 1389AD who openly professes the following:

The second of those three thing is true right now. The other two represent a desire for mass murder. Nice crowd you've got with you, Rodan.

What a bunch of malevolent putzes...

109 Bagua  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 9:03:26pm

This is a huge step forward, but also a new hazard. Stopping the free flow of gas and oil could increase pressure to he point of rupturing the BOP, the wellhead, and the structure down hole, which is already believed to be compromised. The result would be a much bigger leak with no option to cap or top kill.

Also, the new Sealing Cap helps with the bottom kill. A rupture makes it much more difficult, perhaps impossible to bottom kill with the relief wells. For the bottom kill to work, the relief wells need to let the MC252 well fill with drilling mud which is heavier than the Oil. Once they have a column of mud extending high enough, the weight (hydrostatic pressure) will hold the reservoir pressure stopping the leak. They can then cement the MC252 well shut.

But if there is a fracture of the rock lining the borehole, the mud, oil and gas could flow through the fissures and there is no column of mud. Just a variety of leaks and no way to overcome the reservoir pressure. Meaning the reservoir could empty into the Gulf with no chance to kill or collect. I reckon the reservoir is a billion barrels, 42 billion gallons. Not the 100 million barrels mentioned.

Alternatively the casing could be ruptured, or further ruptured as no one knows for sure what is going on down-hole. They will have a better idea when the relief well punctures the annulus of the MC252 well.

110 Cato the Elder  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 9:03:34pm

Whilst I'm translating the German folk song above, here's another by the same group, in deepest North German dialect, about a mother with five sons who sends them all looking for their missing father.

It doesn't end well.

Youtube Video

Betcha didn't know Germans had songs like this, what?

111 Gus  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 9:04:53pm

re: #110 Cato the Elder

Whilst I'm translating the German folk song above, here's another by the same group, in deepest North German dialect, about a mother with five sons who sends them all looking for their missing father.

It doesn't end well.


[Video]Betcha didn't know Germans had songs like this, what?

Yo, Cato. I'm having a brain fart here. What that word that sounds, phonetically, like a-crew-che-ments?

112 Cato the Elder  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 9:05:50pm

re: #111 Gus 802

Yo, Cato. I'm having a brain fart here. What that word that sounds, phonetically, like a-crew-che-ments?

Accouterments?

113 Bagua  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 9:05:58pm

Note: All updates are being cross-posted to the BaguaPage. Only answers to questions are not.

Feel free to also make comments, ask questions or correct me on that page.

114 Gus  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 9:06:05pm

re: #112 Cato the Elder

Accouterments?

That's it! Thanks.

115 Nimed  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 9:06:12pm

re: #74 SanFranciscoZionist

I miss you more then Michael Bay missed the mark
When he made Pearl Harbor
I miss you more than that movie missed the point
And that's an awful lot girl
And now, now you've gone away
And all I'm trying to say is
Pearl Harbor sucked, and I miss you.

Michael Bay and Jerry Bruckheimer -- mediocrity incarnate.

116 Cato the Elder  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 9:07:08pm

re: #114 Gus 802

That's it! Thanks.

You owe me a twelvepack.

117 Gus  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 9:07:29pm

re: #116 Cato the Elder

You owe me a twelvepack.

Bud, Miller, Coors?

118 Irenicum  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 9:07:49pm

re: #111 Gus 802

I'm partial to rapprochement. I love that word and how it's pronounced.

119 Gus  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 9:08:50pm

re: #118 Irenicum

I'm partial to rapprochement. I love that word and how it's pronounced.

My goal was to say something about being festooned with accoutrements!

120 ryannon  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 9:11:41pm

re: #118 Irenicum

I'm partial to rapprochement. I love that word and how it's pronounced.

Then you might like encroachment as well.

121 Irenicum  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 9:12:29pm

Happy Monday to my fellow East Coasters. Today would have been my mother's 81st birthday. Happy birthday mom!

122 Irenicum  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 9:12:58pm

re: #120 ryannon

It all depends on what or better yet who is doing the encroaching. ;)

123 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 9:13:39pm

re: #117 Gus 802

Bud, Miller, Coors?

Get Cato some Heineken. He deserves good beer.

124 Varek Raith  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 9:14:34pm

NICK FURY!
Awesome.

125 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 9:16:35pm

re: #119 Gus 802

My goal was to say something about being festooned with accoutrements!

Excellent. Festooned with accoutrements and rapprochements, I defenestrated the indefensible.

Yeah, that doesn't make much sense. It's after midnight here. Be kind!

126 Varek Raith  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 9:18:07pm

re: #125 iceweasel

Youtube Video
127 ryannon  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 9:18:23pm

re: #121 Irenicum

Happy Monday to my fellow East Coasters. Today would have been my mother's 81st birthday. Happy birthday mom!

I lost mine in 1995. I've no idea where she is, but I'm not worrying.

Happy birthday to yours...

128 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 9:18:32pm

re: #125 iceweasel

Rusticated quoins.
Fancy corners on buildings.
Sharp looking ones.
It's all greek to me!

Cato will smush me with his wit, but it's OK.

129 Gus  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 9:18:35pm

re: #125 iceweasel

Excellent. Festooned with accoutrements and rapprochements, I defenestrated the indefensible.

Yeah, that doesn't make much sense. It's after midnight here. Be kind!

And I'm doing the never ending circular logic waltz in a spinoff link.

I blame Killgore.

//////

130 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 9:19:31pm

re: #121 Irenicum

Mine's 87 and still going pretty strong.
Sorry for your loss.
Remember the good times.

(Irenicum)

131 Racer X  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 9:19:44pm

re: #109 Bagua

Couldn't the new flange be connected to a pipe, and ALL oil and gas be collected at the surface?

Thus alleviating pressure while not spilling a drop?

Once the pressure is relieved, then cap it and seal with concrete.

133 Gus  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 9:20:30pm

re: #123 Dark_Falcon

Get Cato some Heineken. He deserves good beer.

I thought he said he liked domestic beers. Some people are like that even regarding the taste.

134 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 9:21:03pm

re: #129 Gus 802

Waltzing Matilda for you...

Youtube Video
135 Irenicum  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 9:21:35pm

re: #127 ryannon

I lost mine in 2001 just after the attacks. It was weird to come back to NYC and not see the towers there. Very surreal. And when I was making the arrangements for her burial, every funeral home on Staten Island was running at full tilt to handle the losses because we had so many cops and firefighters from SI. Still seems unreal to me at a certain level.

136 ryannon  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 9:21:43pm

A BIG storm is rolling into Paris at dawn. They've been announcing it for days and everyone's been waiting....

Rolling thunder over the sleeping city

137 Irenicum  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 9:23:25pm

re: #130 Floral Giraffe

Thank you dear. We had a complicated relationship. But there was a lot of love there, for which I've very grateful.

138 ryannon  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 9:24:00pm

re: #135 Irenicum

I lost mine in 2001 just after the attacks. It was weird to come back to NYC and not see the towers there. Very surreal. And when I was making the arrangements for her burial, every funeral home on Staten Island was running at full tilt to handle the losses because we had so many cops and firefighters from SI. Still seems unreal to me at a certain level.

It was an awful time, and my condolences.

Where I was, the most difficult thing was to hear the occasional imbecile either say or intimate that 'we deserved it'.

139 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 9:24:19pm

re: #129 Gus 802

And I'm doing the never ending circular logic waltz in a spinoff link.

I blame Killgore.

///

Ive been popping in there off and on to throw a few tomatoes and cheer you on.
I really thought that guy had gotten the boot ages ago. He's pretty harmless though. We have a couple of weird newish people who are just whacked but they just hang in the pages.

It's kinda fun having a couple of nontoxic playtoys around to chew on.

140 Varek Raith  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 9:24:46pm

re: #139 iceweasel

Ive been popping in there off and on to throw a few tomatoes and cheer you on.
I really thought that guy had gotten the boot ages ago. He's pretty harmless though. We have a couple of weird newish people who are just whacked but they just hang in the pages.

It's kinda fun having a couple of nontoxic playtoys around to chew on.

What'd I miss?

141 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 9:24:52pm

re: #137 Irenicum

You are blessed, that you had a lot of love.
Be gratefull.
Our relationship is very complicated too.
Love will conqueror all.
And pass the test of time.

142 Four More Tears  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 9:25:41pm

re: #132 Varek Raith

Probe takes detailed pictures of crater-covered asteroid

Image: t1larg.jpg

You surprised me. Knowing the source, I was half-expecting a picture of Edwards James Olmos' face or something...

143 Irenicum  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 9:25:44pm

re: #141 Floral Giraffe

Indeed.

144 Varek Raith  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 9:26:02pm

re: #142 JasonA

You surprised me. Knowing the source, I was half-expecting a picture of Edwards James Olmos' face or something...

Hehehehe

145 Four More Tears  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 9:26:25pm

re: #139 iceweasel

It's kinda fun having a couple of nontoxic playtoys around to chew on.

In bed.

146 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 9:26:34pm

re: #143 Irenicum

You gather the love that you share.
Love conquerors all.
I wish you well.

147 Gus  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 9:26:38pm

re: #139 iceweasel

Ive been popping in there off and on to throw a few tomatoes and cheer you on.
I really thought that guy had gotten the boot ages ago. He's pretty harmless though. We have a couple of weird newish people who are just whacked but they just hang in the pages.

It's kinda fun having a couple of nontoxic playtoys around to chew on.

Yeah. We have that Lizard "5th Column" that only hang out in the links. I know you know who could go on for hours like this. Apparently now they want to defend or relive the Clinton-Obama Texas primary of 2008.

148 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 9:27:06pm

re: #145 JasonA

In bed.

You were looking for?
LOL!
Yes, it's clean!

149 Gus  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 9:28:15pm

re: #140 Varek Raith

What'd I miss?

'Ere.

150 Four More Tears  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 9:28:22pm

re: #147 Gus 802

Yeah. We have that Lizard "5th Column" that only hang out in the links. I know you know who could go on for hours like this. Apparently now they want to defend or relive the Clinton-Obama Texas primary of 2008.

I've always found it a little strange of those lizards to only hang out in the links. To each his or her own, I suppose.

151 Irenicum  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 9:28:22pm

Hey, before I forget. The other night, in the wee hours in fact, someone asked me about a notorious SI murder case, and I responded that I knew the guy. I think it was one of the usual suspects hanging out now who gave me the link. Do you have the link still? I'd actually be interested in watching it.

152 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 9:28:57pm

re: #140 Varek Raith

What'd I miss?

Oh, just the pages-- they're a spot where various creeps post conspiracy theories or argue for them. In many cases they're not really doing much harm though, the arguments they make are ones that came up here ages ago and were refuted. and they're not necessarily outright hateful.

The pages are often a source of accidental comedic genius. People pop in and post stuff 'just wondering' about ridiculous things. (we even get nirthers)

153 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 9:30:09pm

re: #147 Gus 802

Yeah. We have that Lizard "5th Column" that only hang out in the links. I know you know who could go on for hours like this. Apparently now they want to defend or relive the Clinton-Obama Texas primary of 2008.

There's always been some on LGF who stay away from the main threads. The member pages are simply serving in the role of hangout now, much as the Lounge and spin-off links used to.

154 Gus  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 9:30:11pm

re: #150 JasonA

I've always found it a little strange of those lizards to only hang out in the links. To each his or her own, I suppose.

Ditto. I feel like asking them to come out and play but what the heck. It's up to them. Remember the Lizard Lounge? I went in there once and found an insurrection of sorts. Snark central station. That was the beginning of the end for the rebels when Charles closed that down.

155 Irenicum  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 9:30:24pm

re: #152 iceweasel

That does seem to be a passive aggressive approach now that we have that feature. I guess it's their way of slipping in under the radar.

156 Bagua  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 9:31:45pm

re: #131 Racer X

Couldn't the new flange be connected to a pipe, and ALL oil and gas be collected at the surface?

Thus alleviating pressure while not spilling a drop?

Once the pressure is relieved, then cap it and seal with concrete.

That is what is happening. But they need connections to several risers to be able to capture all the oil and gas flow. They are lowering this complicated series of outlets and shutoffs on to the Transition Spool next. Think of the Transition Spool with one nipple to connect to, the Cap will have several. I'll do a post on it next.

It also has three massive sealing rams. These are basically another, working BOP that can be used to shut off the well completely. Putting it all on at one time is too heavy and the flange may not have survived.

However, this stops the pressure, but not to cap the well. They need to get a column of mud deep enough in the 18,000 foot well to hold back the pressure until it is balanced. Then they can insert cement for a permanent seal. I don't think they will try to do this from the BOP again, they will inject the mud from the bottom via the relief well and let the pressure carry it up until it gets too heavy and stops, then they cement a plug in the bottom. Next they cement the column of mud from the top. Then they can take the BOP off. The well is killed.

157 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 9:31:52pm

re: #151 Irenicum

Hey, before I forget. The other night, in the wee hours in fact, someone asked me about a notorious SI murder case, and I responded that I knew the guy. I think it was one of the usual suspects hanging out now who gave me the link. Do you have the link still? I'd actually be interested in watching it.

C'est moi. I mentioned that Jimmah and I saw the doc at IFC. It won some awards at the tribeca film festival. It's called cropsey. There's a filmsite and a number of reviews that will turn up.

It was -- well, interesting. I was curious what someone from there would think of it. It might be upsetting though to someone who remembers it all. And you having known him, well, I'm very sorry I'd even mentioned it.

158 Irenicum  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 9:35:10pm

re: #157 iceweasel

No problem Ice. It was a terrible time to be sure. He was a client of the social service agency I worked for, and he seemed to take a liking to me (UGH!) and asked if I would do some artwork for him since he was trying to make a go of a sign company. There was always something extremely disturbing about him from the get go. So when the news broke about his being a child killer, it didn't really surprise anyone, including me. Thanks for the info in any case. I appreciate it.

159 Nimed  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 9:36:19pm

re: #154 Gus 802

Ditto. I feel like asking them to come out and play but what the heck. It's up to them. Remember the Lizard Lounge?

Nope. Sounds good, though.

160 Varek Raith  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 9:36:31pm

re: #158 Irenicum

Freaky.

161 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 9:37:44pm

re: #152 iceweasel

Oh, just the pages-- they're a spot where various creeps post conspiracy theories or argue for them. In many cases they're not really doing much harm though, the arguments they make are ones that came up here ages ago and were refuted. and they're not necessarily outright hateful.

The pages are often a source of accidental comedic genius. People pop in and post stuff 'just wondering' about ridiculous things. (we even get nirthers)

I probably should start using the pages, mostly to post all of my ear-splitting music finds

162 Cato the Elder  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 9:37:45pm

re: #91 Cato the Elder

Here's the song again.

Youtube Video

Best I can do on short notice:

There is a reaper, all too nigh,
his might comes from God on high.
Now his blade he's sharp whetting,
it mows what it's getting.
Soon he'll come a-reaping
and we must die weeping.
Guard thee, sweet flowerlet!

What now stands green and fresh in field
must t'morrow give o'er and yield.
The noble narcissus,
The English hibiscus,
The fine hyacinth,
The Turkish bint.
Guard thee, sweet flowerlet!

Vast thousand-throngs uncounted
Fall cut down at the scythe.
Red roses, white lilies,
Soon he'll level down,
You Caesar's crowns
He'll never spare.
Guard thee, sweet flowerlet!

O king, Kaiser, prince and lord
Fear thee the Reaper's sword!
The traitor of hearts,
the longer, the better,
cuts all down to earth,
no free pass for birth.
Guard thee, sweet flowerlet!

He takes no notice of your state,
cuts all down, small or great.
Pope, princes, and leaders,
Wide castles, strait houses,
Ah! They all fall together,
And fade with the weather.
Guard thee, sweet flowerlet!

There is a reaper, all too nigh,
his might comes from God on high.
Now his blade he's sharp whetting,
it mows down what it's getting.
Soon he'll come a-reaping
and you must die weeping.
Guard thee, sweet flowerlet!

C'mon, who doesn't love a good death song?

163 Irenicum  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 9:38:21pm

re: #160 Varek Raith

No kidding. And as i mentioned in the thread from the other night, he's not the only murderer I knew. One was my boss. Working in that field was both fascinating and occasionally dangerous.

164 Varek Raith  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 9:38:29pm

re: #161 WindUpBird

I probably should start using the pages, mostly to post all of my ear-splitting music finds

GET OFF MY INTERNET!!!....
..*snooze*..
..
.

165 Gus  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 9:38:36pm

re: #159 Nimed

Nope. Sounds good, though.

Well, it was shut down. I went in there once and it was a lot of complaining about what CJ was posting: evolution, global warming, etc. Really snarky and really disrespectful. I could say more but I only went in there once and didn't like it.

166 Varek Raith  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 9:39:06pm

re: #163 Irenicum

No kidding. And as i mentioned in the thread from the other night, he's not the only murderer I knew. One was my boss. Working in that field was both fascinating and occasionally dangerous.

Even freakier.
Damn.

167 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 9:39:14pm

re: #153 Dark_Falcon

re: #155 Irenicum

re: #154 Gus 802

It's different now though-- i don't know if others have noticed (i know gus has). In the past we'd get the usual suspects (sockpuppets and stalkers largely) who would spam links to their own blogs, or hate sites, or the same bullshit over and over.

With pages, something different is happening. A lot of them are (I think) genuinely new people, -- not stalker affiliated or sock puppets that is. That's what I mean by nontoxic.
A certain amount of harmless nuts around isn't a bad thing for a big website. It stimulates comment counts and traffic. A lot of big liberal blogs will have one or two people like that around-- kooks who are largely tolerated because they make people laugh at them.

It's similar to disemvoweling. Disemvoweling a troll binds the genuine commenting community closer, because instead of responding with indignation to the troll people laugh. The troll goes nuts and keeps posting, and people keep laughing. It keeps the thread from devolving into anger on the part of the genuine community (which is what those people want).
Anyway, similar principle. A few nontoxic chewtoys around are a good thing.
/end of analysis, removes intertubes meta-hat.

168 Four More Tears  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 9:39:41pm

re: #165 Gus 802

Well, it was shut down. I went in there once and it was a lot of complaining about what CJ was posting: evolution, global warming, etc. Really snarky and really disrespectful. I could say more but I only went in there once and didn't like it.

So basically it was just the Diary of Doofus, only hosted by Charles. Got it.

169 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 9:39:56pm

re: #161 WindUpBird

I probably should start using the pages, mostly to post all of my ear-splitting music finds

THAT would be cool, but I love seeing you in the threads!

170 Irenicum  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 9:40:07pm

re: #166 Varek Raith

Ha. I've had a fairly interesting life.

171 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 9:40:25pm

re: #164 Varek Raith

GET OFF MY INTERNET!!!...
..*snooze*..
..
.

I'm in yur tubes, rocking out with my mic stand made out of human remains

172 Varek Raith  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 9:40:33pm

re: #170 Irenicum

Ha. I've had a fairly interesting life.

I fell out of bed once...

173 Varek Raith  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 9:41:39pm

re: #171 WindUpBird

I'm in yur tubes, rocking out with my mic stand made out of human remains

Big whoop.
My starships run on the souls of orphans.

174 Irenicum  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 9:41:50pm

re: #167 iceweasel

Nice. And I suspect pretty good amateur psychoanalysis.

175 Racer X  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 9:42:14pm

My cat joined The Galactic Empire!

Youtube Video
176 Gus  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 9:42:15pm

re: #167 iceweasel

Remember that "CDSD" guy? Or whatever his name was. Kept linking to "Before it is News" and some other neo-Paulian website. Right at the end he went completely bonkers and posted a few birther links.

177 Nimed  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 9:42:23pm

re: #165 Gus 802

Well, it was shut down. I went in there once and it was a lot of complaining about what CJ was posting: evolution, global warming, etc. Really snarky and really disrespectful. I could say more but I only went in there once and didn't like it.

Ok, but what was it? Some sort of permanent free thread?

178 Varek Raith  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 9:42:28pm

re: #167 iceweasel

An internet psycowhatsits.
Neat.
:)

179 Gus  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 9:42:40pm

re: #177 Nimed

Ok, but what was it? Some sort of permanent free thread?

Chat room.

180 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 9:42:46pm

re: #163 Irenicum

No kidding. And as i mentioned in the thread from the other night, he's not the only murderer I knew. One was my boss. Working in that field was both fascinating and occasionally dangerous.

WHO ARE YOU?!?!?!?!

181 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 9:42:46pm

re: #163 Irenicum

Happy to hear that you are whole and sane, given the experiences that you have posted. Scary stuff. Be well.

182 ryannon  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 9:43:04pm

Mandalay: Not Seventeen.

Very rare.

Youtube Video
183 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 9:43:34pm

re: #172 Varek Raith

I fell out of bed once...

Did you hurt your head?

184 Varek Raith  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 9:43:35pm

re: #175 Racer X

My cat joined The Galactic Empire!


[Video]

Lol, Porkins.

185 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 9:43:41pm

re: #167 iceweasel

re: #155 Irenicum

re: #154 Gus 802

It's different now though-- i don't know if others have noticed (i know gus has). In the past we'd get the usual suspects (sockpuppets and stalkers largely) who would spam links to their own blogs, or hate sites, or the same bullshit over and over.

With pages, something different is happening. A lot of them are (I think) genuinely new people, -- not stalker affiliated or sock puppets that is. That's what I mean by nontoxic.
A certain amount of harmless nuts around isn't a bad thing for a big website. It stimulates comment counts and traffic. A lot of big liberal blogs will have one or two people like that around-- kooks who are largely tolerated because they make people laugh at them.

It's similar to disemvoweling. Disemvoweling a troll binds the genuine commenting community closer, because instead of responding with indignation to the troll people laugh. The troll goes nuts and keeps posting, and people keep laughing. It keeps the thread from devolving into anger on the part of the genuine community (which is what those people want).
Anyway, similar principle. A few nontoxic chewtoys around are a good thing.
/end of analysis, removes intertubes meta-hat.

Yeah, that's sounds right.

186 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 9:43:52pm

re: #169 iceweasel

THAT would be cool, but I love seeing you in the threads!

Oh, I'm staying in the threads. :D

187 Varek Raith  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 9:43:53pm

re: #183 Floral Giraffe

Did you hurt your head?

Nope.
My pride.

188 Irenicum  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 9:43:57pm

re: #180 WindUpBird

Ah, wouldn't you like to know, my precious! Bwahahaha!

189 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 9:44:31pm

re: #187 Varek Raith

Nope.
My pride.

Meh, pride always hurts, IMHO...

190 Four More Tears  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 9:44:55pm

re: #187 Varek Raith

Nope.
My pride.

You had pride?

191 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 9:45:11pm

re: #188 Irenicum

Ah, wouldn't you like to know, my precious! Bwahahaha!

O_O

192 Racer X  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 9:45:14pm

re: #156 Bagua

Cool thanks!

Another question - is there a rush to shut this well down? Why not collect the oil and gas first?

193 Varek Raith  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 9:45:38pm

re: #189 Floral Giraffe

Meh, pride always hurts, IMHO...

The other Sith Lords wouldn't STFU about it.
So, I spaced them!

194 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 9:45:44pm

re: #174 Irenicum

Nice. And I suspect pretty good amateur psychoanalysis.

Oh, it's not psychoanalysis-- just a description of internet group dynamics in the political blogosphere and what it's like to run a site. It's the meta.
Don't even ask me about commenters' motives for why they do what they do online. That's some other whole issue.

195 Bagua  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 9:46:05pm

re: #151 Irenicum

Hey, before I forget. The other night, in the wee hours in fact, someone asked me about a notorious SI murder case, and I responded that I knew the guy. I think it was one of the usual suspects hanging out now who gave me the link. Do you have the link still? I'd actually be interested in watching it.


Which one?

196 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 9:46:06pm

re: #192 Racer X

Cool thanks!

Another question - is there a rush to shut this well down? Why not collect the oil and gas first?

*taps fingers together* We can make use of this...

197 freetoken  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 9:46:50pm

One of these is not like the others:


Britney Spears to get her own Glee episode

Japan Ruling Party Handed Big Election Defeat

Gibbs: Democrats Could Lose House

198 Gus  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 9:47:26pm

re: #197 freetoken

One of these is not like the others:

Britney Spears to get her own Glee episode

Japan Ruling Party Handed Big Election Defeat

Gibbs: Democrats Could Lose House

"A"

199 Irenicum  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 9:47:28pm

re: #195 Bagua

Seriously. Growing up there we used to joke about all the mod hits and the crazy serial killers. Definitely something in the water or air. I miss the food and my friends. Not much else.

200 Racer X  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 9:47:35pm

re: #165 Gus 802

Well, it was shut down. I went in there once and it was a lot of complaining about what CJ was posting: evolution, global warming, etc. Really snarky and really disrespectful. I could say more but I only went in there once and didn't like it.

The lounge was cool for a while - talk about people losing their inhibitions! But then it was taken over by people who who did not agree with Charles and were too chicken to post it out front. Not cool.

201 Gus  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 9:48:33pm

re: #200 Racer X

The lounge was cool for a while - talk about people losing their inhibitions! But then it was taken over by people who who did not agree with Charles and were too chicken to post it out front. Not cool.

Roger. Yeah, I went in towards the end. Definitely not cool.

202 Irenicum  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 9:48:34pm

re: #197 freetoken

Yeah, one of them is serious important news. The other two are just crap.

203 Nimed  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 9:48:41pm

re: #198 Gus 802

"A"

No, "B". Damn foreigners.

204 darthstar  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 9:48:57pm

Gorgeous wild cat from the Amazon that actually mimics the call of its prey (small monkeys).

Here's a pic

Link to article

I love it when we discover shit like this in nature. Makes us just a little less special as a species.

205 Varek Raith  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 9:49:05pm

re: #197 freetoken

One of these is not like the others:

Britney Spears to get her own Glee episode

Japan Ruling Party Handed Big Election Defeat

Gibbs: Democrats Could Lose House

The second one.
The only "news".

206 Gus  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 9:49:06pm

re: #203 Nimed

No, "B". Damn foreigners.

Damn it! You're right! :)

207 Irenicum  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 9:49:23pm

re: #199 Irenicum

Damn, I really need to proof read better. Obviously mod should be mob!

208 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 9:49:44pm

re: #205 Varek Raith

The second one.
The only "news".

THERE'S A SALE AT PENNY'S!

209 Racer X  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 9:50:30pm

re: #204 darthstar

Gorgeous wild cat from the Amazon that actually mimics the call of its prey (small monkeys).

Here's a pic

Link to article

I love it when we discover shit like this in nature. Makes us just a little less special as a species.

I special!

210 Gus  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 9:50:33pm

re: #205 Varek Raith

The second one.
The only "news".

I saw...

A) Entertainment
B) Politics
C) Politics

and

A) Monsters and Critics
B) CBS News
C) CBS News

Hence, "A".

211 Varek Raith  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 9:50:54pm

re: #210 Gus 802

I saw...

A) Entertainment
B) Politics
C) Politics

and

A) Monsters and Critics
B) CBS News
C) CBS News

Hence, "A".

:P

212 Gus  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 9:51:10pm

re: #211 Varek Raith

:P

:O

213 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 9:51:28pm

re: #208 WindUpBird

Blue light special at KMart.
(Are they still in business?)

G'Night to you all.
Be well, sleep tight.
Come play again soon.

214 Irenicum  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 9:51:58pm

re: #181 Floral Giraffe

Whole and sane are disputable terms. But thanks for your kind words!

215 freetoken  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 9:52:04pm

re: #198 Gus 802

re: #202 Irenicum

re: #203 Nimed

re: #210 Gus 802

Some good guesses there (especially the bit about the sources) ... but you're all wrong.

The answer I was looking for is "C".

Both of the first two stories are about events that have taken place.

The last one is just speculation, an attempt at spinning future news.

There's so much prognostication about what the 2010 elections will bring. For the most part it is puffery.

216 Bagua  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 9:52:10pm

re: #207 Irenicum

Damn, I really need to proof read better. Obviously mod should be mob!

I know, mob hit central. But which particular case is what I was wondering.

217 Varek Raith  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 9:52:11pm

re: #212 Gus 802

:O

VICTORY IS MINE!

Youtube Video
218 Gus  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 9:52:26pm

re: #213 Floral Giraffe

Blue light special at KMart.
(Are they still in business?)

G'Night to you all.
Be well, sleep tight.
Come play again soon.

Image: drudge-siren.gif

219 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 9:52:38pm

re: #205 Varek Raith

The second one.
The only "news".


Actually, many people would be more likely to care about the first story than the second. And I will be watching that episode when it airs.

220 Varek Raith  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 9:53:16pm

re: #219 Dark_Falcon

Actually, many people would be more likely to care about the first story than the second. And I will be watching that episode when it airs.

Probably.
I hardly ever watch non-news tv.

221 Four More Tears  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 9:53:25pm

re: #217 Varek Raith

Post that one more time and we just can't be friends. Sorry. I had enough of that after hearing it at the end of EVERY GODDAMN BATTLE.

222 Varek Raith  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 9:53:52pm

re: #221 JasonA

Post that one more time and we just can't be friends. Sorry. I had enough of that after hearing it at the end of EVERY GODDAMN BATTLE.

THAT SONG IS AWESOME!
DEAL WITH IT!
:P

223 Gus  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 9:54:28pm

Image: beebaa2.gif

224 Irenicum  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 9:54:56pm

re: #216 Bagua

This wasn't a mob story. It was a truly terrible event of a child murderer, Andre Rand, who most certainly committed other murders, but has never been convicted of those. But at least they got him on one, and put him away. May he rot in hell.

225 Racer X  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 9:54:58pm

The Roadrunner's fossilized remains found!

Image: TJt3m.jpg

226 Varek Raith  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 9:55:34pm

re: #223 Gus 802

Image: beebaa2.gif

The hell is that???

227 Irenicum  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 9:55:53pm

re: #225 Racer X

I don't quite see the resemblance, but it's a cool pic anyway.

228 Gus  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 9:55:58pm

re: #226 Varek Raith

The hell is that???

A lame flashing blue light I found.

229 darthstar  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 9:56:33pm

re: #228 Gus 802

A lame flashing blue light I found.

If it's blue and it's flashing, it is by definition not lame.

230 Varek Raith  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 9:56:35pm

re: #228 Gus 802

A lame flashing blue light I found.

To replace Drudge's?

231 Irenicum  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 9:56:36pm

re: #223 Gus 802

We have a spill in aisle six, we have a spill in aisle six!

232 Gus  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 9:57:02pm

re: #230 Varek Raith

To replace Drudge's?

K-Mart... Blue light special.

233 Four More Tears  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 9:57:19pm

Why do people put pictures of their meals up on Facebook?

Why???

234 Bagua  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 9:57:26pm

Here is the project management timeline for the endgame capping.

Note that under No Contingency, we are at the point of Install Transition Spool on Flex Joint (flange).

So far no resort to contingency plans (plan B).

235 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 9:57:27pm

re: #225 Racer X

The Roadrunner's fossilized remains found!

Image: TJt3m.jpg

Meep, Meep!

236 Varek Raith  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 9:57:32pm

re: #232 Gus 802

K-Mart... Blue light special.

Oh, ok.
I'm somewhat lost.
:)

237 Varek Raith  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 9:58:32pm

re: #233 JasonA

Why do people put pictures of their meals up on Facebook?

Why???

I don't even get Facebook!

238 Irenicum  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 9:58:40pm

re: #233 JasonA

I watched Julia Child this afternoon after the WC match. I forgot how cool see is. Makes me want to go back to cooking more homemade meals again.

239 Gus  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 9:58:45pm

re: #236 Varek Raith

Oh, ok.
I'm somewhat lost.
:)

Floral Giraffe mentioned a K-Mart blue light special and then I posted the red and blue Drudge Siren. So, off I went in search of an all blue flashing light.

240 darthstar  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 9:58:50pm

re: #233 JasonA

Why do people put pictures of their meals up on Facebook?

Why???

Because they can.

241 Racer X  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 9:59:14pm

New Method of Mass Transit Discovered in the Philippines

Liveleak Video

According to my calculations.. this method is nearly 110% efficient..

Oh yeah, thats safe.

242 Irenicum  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 9:59:34pm

re: #238 Irenicum

And I have a meat loaf that kicks serious ass.

243 Irenicum  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 10:00:24pm

re: #241 Racer X

That's awesome!

244 Nimed  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 10:00:33pm

re: #215 freetoken

re: #202 Irenicum

re: #203 Nimed

re: #210 Gus 802

Some good guesses there (especially the bit about the sources) ... but you're all wrong.

The answer I was looking for is "C".

Both of the first two stories are about events that have taken place.

The last one is just speculation, an attempt at spinning future news.

There's so much prognostication about what the 2010 elections will bring. For the most part it is puffery.

I'm sorry, but I'm a sore loser. So, you're wrong.

Both Spears' Glee episode and and the November election are future events. OR, both Spears' commitment and Gibbs statements have already taken place.

I stand by my xenophobia.

245 Irenicum  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 10:01:24pm

re: #244 Nimed

What's the opposite of xenophobia?

246 Varek Raith  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 10:02:10pm

re: #245 Irenicum

What's the opposite of xenophobia?

Xenophilia

247 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 10:02:33pm

I'm going to sign off for the night. Sleep well, All.

248 Gus  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 10:02:50pm

re: #244 Nimed

I'm sorry, but I'm a sore loser. So, you're wrong.

Both Spears' Glee episode and and the November election are future events. OR, both Spears' commitment and Gibbs statements have already taken place.

I stand by my xenophobia.

Hey! It's "B" because it took place in the Eastern Hemisphere. The other two took place in the Western Hemisphere.

249 Irenicum  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 10:03:06pm

FDR suffered from phobia phobia.

250 darthstar  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 10:03:34pm

re: #241 Racer X

New Method of Mass Transit Discovered in the Philippines


[Video]Oh yeah, thats safe.

Sweet. It'd be great to have one here. Just make sure all six passengers are wearing a helmet, so when the Highway patrol pulls you over to ask, "Are you out of your fucking mind?" nobody gets a ticket.

251 Irenicum  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 10:03:45pm

re: #246 Varek Raith

Ah, so that's what I suffer!

252 ryannon  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 10:04:04pm

re: #245 Irenicum

What's the opposite of xenophobia?

Xanax

253 Irenicum  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 10:04:31pm

re: #252 ryannon

Good one!

254 Varek Raith  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 10:04:49pm

re: #252 ryannon

Xanax

I had a Rx for that.
Took one.
Just.
One.
Never again.

255 Gus  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 10:05:09pm

re: #251 Irenicum

Ah, so that's what I suffer!

Gramophobia!

Fear of gramophones or grampa.

//

256 ryannon  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 10:05:23pm

re: #253 Irenicum

Good one!

If you keep trying, you eventually succeed.

257 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 10:05:32pm

re: #201 Gus 802

Roger. Yeah, I went in towards the end. Definitely not cool.

Sounded like butthurt central. Talk about toxic.

We have a different vibe here now though. I had the impression that was a load of butthurt theocrats and creationists who hated Charles: Darwin and Johnson.

258 Irenicum  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 10:06:16pm

re: #254 Varek Raith

I don't think I've ever had that one. Sounds like I should be glad about that.

259 ryannon  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 10:06:33pm

re: #253 Irenicum

Oh, and thank you for saying so :-)

260 Nimed  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 10:07:02pm

re: #248 Gus 802

Hey! It's "B" because it took place in the Eastern Hemisphere. The other two took place in the Western Hemisphere.

lol. Good one.

More importantly, you're for "B" too. freetoken, the people have spoken! You were wrong!

261 Irenicum  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 10:07:05pm

re: #257 iceweasel

Definitely a case of Charles-phobia!

262 Varek Raith  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 10:07:28pm

re: #258 Irenicum

I don't think I've ever had that one. Sounds like I should be glad about that.

It was freaky.
I was beyond relaxed.
Approaching transcendence.
My reaction?
THIS IS WRONG!
:shrugs:

263 ryannon  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 10:08:26pm

re: #254 Varek Raith

I had a Rx for that.
Took one.
Just.
One.
Never again.

Never tried it myself.

264 Gus  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 10:08:40pm

re: #260 Nimed

lol. Good one.

More importantly, you're for "B" too. freetoken, the people have spoken! You were wrong!

Clearly this test reflect a cultural bias. I demand a recount! Get Fox News on the line. Contact Red State and the rest of the New Media!

I will write a book on my experience.

//

265 Irenicum  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 10:08:45pm

re: #262 Varek Raith

Hey. That doesn't sound bad at all. But then again, I got that from certain "herbal" remedies.

266 Varek Raith  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 10:09:12pm

re: #265 Irenicum

Hey. That doesn't sound bad at all. But then again, I got that from certain "herbal" remedies.

Well, I'm weird.
:)

267 Four More Tears  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 10:10:04pm

re: #264 Gus 802

Clearly this test reflect a cultural bias. I demand a recount! Get Fox News on the line. Contact Red State and the rest of the New Media!

I will write a book on my experience.

//

The Freetoken Window?

268 Bagua  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 10:10:12pm

Ooops. Do the pages have a limit to photos and videos? I added one and it eated my videos.

269 Irenicum  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 10:10:38pm

re: #266 Varek Raith

You want weird, I'll give you weird! Put up yer dukes!
///

270 Gus  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 10:10:52pm

re: #254 Varek Raith

I had a Rx for that.
Took one.
Just.
One.
Never again.

I went to the hospital once. They said I was dehydrated, pumped me up with fluids and gave me a scrip. So, when I got home I took one of those suckers and proceeded to faint and woke up after 90 minutes in front of the bathroom vanity.

I flushed those pills down the toilet.

271 Irenicum  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 10:11:25pm

re: #268 Bagua

There may be a bandwidth limit. Not sure though.

272 Gus  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 10:13:37pm

re: #262 Varek Raith

It was freaky.
I was beyond relaxed.
Approaching transcendence.
My reaction?
THIS IS WRONG!
:shrugs:

Varek Shrugged

A blog.

//

273 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 10:13:54pm

re: #264 Gus 802

Clearly this test reflect a cultural bias. I demand a recount! Get Fox News on the line. Contact Red State and the rest of the New Media!

I will write a book on my experience.

//

Heh. The progosphere refers to that as wingnut welfare, or the wingnut welfare circuit, terms I'd like to popularise here. You know. Regnery publishing would give you a deal, copies will be bought in massive amounts by a PAC or 'thinktank', donated elsewhere (and then written off as a 'charitable donation', perhaps)-- you wind up on the bestseller list, you start working the wingnut circuit and write for IBD, NRO, etc, and have a 'fellowship' at a "Foundation"-- or TV gigs at the usual suspects.

Jerome Corso? Wingnut Welfare. Jonah Goldberg? Also wingnut welfare. Etc.

274 Varek Raith  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 10:14:37pm

re: #272 Gus 802

Varek Shrugged

A blog.

//

HAHAHA!
XD

275 Nimed  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 10:15:19pm

re: #264 Gus 802

Clearly this test reflect a cultural bias. I demand a recount! Get Fox News on the line. Contact Red State and the rest of the New Media!

I will write a book on my experience.

//

I'm emailing Breitbart as we speak. freetoken clearly waited for all the responses, and then selected the one nobody had chosen! Who is he, anyway? Doesn't sound like a real American to me -- why would he choose a Kenyan as his avatar? And what's up with the green rays coming out of his head?

276 Bagua  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 10:15:40pm

re: #271 Irenicum

There may be a bandwidth limit. Not sure though.

Wow, Charles is that evil. Also I had to re-size a photo as it was too big "kilo-bites"

*runs around screeming*


Ok... there will be a part II

277 Irenicum  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 10:16:30pm

re: #276 Bagua

Well that just bite and bytes!

278 Gus  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 10:16:33pm

re: #273 iceweasel

Heh. The progosphere refers to that as wingnut welfare, or the wingnut welfare circuit, terms I'd like to popularise here. You know. Regnery publishing would give you a deal, copies will be bought in massive amounts by a PAC or 'thinktank', donated elsewhere (and then written off as a 'charitable donation', perhaps)-- you wind up on the bestseller list, you start working the wingnut circuit and write for IBD, NRO, etc, and have a 'fellowship' at a "Foundation"-- or TV gigs at the usual suspects.

Jerome Corso? Wingnut Welfare. Jonah Goldberg? Also wingnut welfare. Etc.

Heck yeah. I remember saying that the anti-Jihad speakers is part of an industry. They make millions (gross) selling books. Spencer being one of the most famous. Mark Steyn, VDH... the other names escape me now. But it's an industry. It's not just the anti-Jihadist talk/book industry.

279 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 10:17:23pm

i HAVE to start remembering to deploy this Jimmah-Ice production at every mention of Breitbart. Damn. Forgot we had it.

280 Gus  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 10:17:49pm

re: #275 Nimed

I'm emailing Breitbart as we speak. freetoken clearly waited for all the responses, and then selected the one nobody had chosen! Who is he, anyway? Doesn't sound like a real American to me -- why would he choose a Kenyan as his avatar? And what's up with the green rays coming out of his head?

Once we get Andrew to speak for us with those crazy eyes and that "effective" speech pattern of his we're bound for victory!

I am outraged!

Get thee to a nunnery!

//

281 Irenicum  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 10:17:50pm

re: #273 iceweasel

I hate to say I used to be a Regnery reader. Not anymore. Absolutely repulsive.

282 Varek Raith  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 10:17:57pm

re: #279 iceweasel

i HAVE to start remembering to deploy this Jimmah-Ice production at every mention of Breitbart. Damn. Forgot we had it.

NICE TARP!
;)

283 Varek Raith  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 10:18:30pm

re: #281 Irenicum

I hate to say I used to be a Regnery reader. Not anymore. Absolutely repulsive.

I used to read Malkin...
:/
:/
:/

284 Bagua  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 10:18:45pm

Bagua page suppliment:

BP Oil Leak Endgame, Pat II: The Capping Stack

This will be added to.

285 Irenicum  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 10:19:09pm

re: #283 Varek Raith

Exactly. Me too. It was the immediate post 9/11 thing.

286 Gus  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 10:19:09pm

re: #282 Varek Raith

NICE TARP!
;)

I thought that was a Snugglie™

Remember those down coats that used to look like sleeping bags?

"Hey lady! Nice sleeping bag!"

//

287 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 10:19:25pm

re: #278 Gus 802

Heck yeah. I remember saying that the anti-Jihad speakers is part of an industry. They make millions (gross) selling books. Spencer being one of the most famous. Mark Steyn, VDH... the other names escape me now. But it's an industry. It's not just the anti-Jihadist talk/book industry.

Oh yeah. the anti-jihadi one is wholly separate in a way-- because there's so much crossover with eurofascist groups. Wingnut welfare is homegrown and domestic. The antijihadi one is global and exports and inports.

288 Varek Raith  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 10:19:53pm

re: #286 Gus 802

I thought that was a Snugglie™

Remember those down coats that used to look like sleeping bags?

"Hey lady! Nice sleeping bag!"

//

Snuggie, tarp = still funny lookin!

289 Nimed  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 10:19:55pm

re: #267 JasonA

The Freetoken Window?

Treason: How to Answer Freetoken's Liberal Fascist Questionaires (If You Must)

290 Irenicum  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 10:20:31pm

re: #287 iceweasel

BTW, I like the term Wingnut Welfare. I may spring that on my FB friends. Should be fun.

291 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 10:21:15pm

re: #282 Varek Raith

NICE TARP!
;)

Gus is right, it's a snuggie.

There's quite a bit of drunken footage of breitbart out there. Well, and the famous gawker voicemail. I guess his new thing is melting down at CJ over twitter.

292 Gus  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 10:21:21pm

re: #287 iceweasel

Oh yeah. the anti-jihadi one is wholly separate in a way-- because there's so much crossover with eurofascist groups. Wingnut welfare is homegrown and domestic. The antijihadi one is global and exports and inports.

Step one to selling nutwing books:

1. Make things seems worse then they seem. Always dramatize the facts and in fact embellish them. Remember, as a writer you are free to use "artistic license" to create "facts."

293 Gus  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 10:23:17pm

re: #291 iceweasel

Gus is right, it's a snuggie.

There's quite a bit of drunken footage of breitbart out there. Well, and the famous gawker voicemail. I guess his new thing is melting down at CJ over twitter.

Oh god. The infamous "Lesbian studies" voicemail. Sheesh. And they take this guy seriously.

294 Varek Raith  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 10:24:04pm

re: #292 Gus 802

Step one to selling nutwing books:

1. Make things seems worse then they seem. Always dramatize the facts and in fact embellish them. Remember, as a writer you are free to use "artistic license" to create "facts."

This is all true.

Youtube Video
295 Nimed  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 10:24:06pm

re: #283 Varek Raith

I used to read Malkin...
:/
:/
:/

You? No way!
No way!
No way!
No way!

296 Gus  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 10:24:22pm

re: #291 iceweasel

Gus is right, it's a snuggie.

There's quite a bit of drunken footage of breitbart out there. Well, and the famous gawker voicemail. I guess his new thing is melting down at CJ over twitter.

For our listening pleasure:

Breitbart Voice Mail Crackup

Youtube Video
297 Cato the Elder  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 10:24:42pm

OK, since most of you seem not to grok German folk songs, I'm giving you another.

Innsbruck, ich muss Dich lassen (Inßbrügg, ick moth dy laten)

A High German song sung in Low German (wrap your minds around that).

Youtube Video

High German original:

Innsbruck, ich muss dich lassen,
ich fahr dahin mein Strassen,
in fremde Land dahin.
Mein Freud is mir genommen,
die ich nit weiss bekommen
wo ich im Elend bin.

Gross Leid muss ich jetzt tragen,
das ich allein tu klagen
dem liebsten Buhlen mein.
Ach Lieb, nun lass mich Armen
im Herzen dein erbarmen,
dass ich muss dannen sein.

Mein Trost ob allen Weiben,
dein tu ich ewig bleiben,
stet treu, der Ehren fromm.
Nun muss dich Gott bewahren,
in aller Tugend sparen,
bis dass ich wiederkomm.

In Low German (in the which the song is sung):

Inßbrück ick moth di laten,
ick führ dohen min straten,
in frembde land dohen.
Min freud is mi genomen,
de ick nisch kan bekomen,
wo ick im elent bin.

Groot leyd moth ick nu tragen,
de ick aleyn du klagen
de alleleevste min.
Ach, leev, nu lat mi armen
im herten din erbarmen,
dat ick moth dannen tien.

Min trost van allen wieven,
din do ick evick blieven,
stets trieuw, der eeren from.
O, nu moth di Got bewaaren,
in alle düget sparen,
bit dat ick weyder kom.

English:

Innsbruck, I must leave you,
To go along my pathway
to strange and distant lands
My joy from me has faded
I don't know how to find it
I am in sorrow's hands

I am burdened with great sorrow
which I can remedy only
through the one dearest to me.
O my love, leave me not bereft
of compassion in your heart
that I must part from you.

My consolation above all other women,
I remain yours forever,
always faithful, in true honor.
And now, may God protect you,
safe in virtue,
till I return.

It's a very ancient song, well known through all the Evening Lands.

And yes, I do speak all those dialects.

298 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 10:24:52pm

Come to think of it, I don't think anyone but charles has really covered the eurofascist wingnut welfare connections. That would be a good page. Outlining the progosphere notions of wingnut welfare, then summarising the LGF findings on antijihadi eurofascist versions, and tweeting the whole thing with the #p2 and #tlot tags appended as well as the usual ones.

Just sayin. It'd be nice to see the leftysphere catch up to the work that was done here about it. Even sites that specialise in mocking people like Geller really don't know about all that, much less that LGF uncovered it all years ago.

299 Varek Raith  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 10:25:04pm

re: #295 Nimed

You? No way!
No way!
No way!
No way!

Lol.
Like I said.
I'm weird.
Politically, I've been all over the freaking place.

300 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 10:25:58pm

re: #297 Cato the Elder

But it's so sad. :(

301 Gus  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 10:26:00pm

re: #296 Gus 802

For our listening pleasure:

Breitbart Voice Mail Crackup


[Video]

Yep. He was a 911 Truther. Just like Alex Jones. The same Alex Jones that Drudge is now pimping and the same Drudge that Andrew Breitbart is a partner with.

Quack. :)

302 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 10:27:15pm

re: #257 iceweasel

Sounded like butthurt central. Talk about toxic.

We have a different vibe here now though. I had the impression that was a load of butthurt theocrats and creationists who hated Charles: Darwin and Johnson.

There was a great deal of...issue...about evolution here for a long time. I miss the evolution threads.

303 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 10:27:22pm

re: #301 Gus 802

Yep. He was a 911 Truther. Just like Alex Jones. The same Alex Jones that Drudge is now pimping and the same Drudge that Andrew Breitbart is a partner with.

Quack. :)

Charles suggested that Breitbart is behind Drudge now pimping Jones. Killgore agreed. I think they're right.

304 Gus  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 10:27:27pm

Breitbart Disemvoweled

Youtube Video
305 Nimed  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 10:28:23pm

"It is a very serious, thoughtful, argument that has never been made in such detail or with such care."re: #292 Gus 802

Step one to selling nutwing books:

1. Make things seems worse then they seem. Always dramatize the facts and in fact embellish them. Remember, as a writer you are free to use "artistic license" to create "facts."

"It is a very serious, thoughtful, argument that has never been made in such detail or with such care."

306 Four More Tears  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 10:28:33pm

re: #297 Cato the Elder

I love Innsbruck, for what it's worth. Gorgeous place, with the alps towering over you.

307 Gus  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 10:28:35pm

re: #303 iceweasel

Charles suggested that Breitbart is behind Drudge now pimping Jones. Killgore agreed. I think they're right.

The timing certainly fits.

308 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 10:29:29pm

re: #262 Varek Raith

It was freaky.
I was beyond relaxed.
Approaching transcendence.
My reaction?
THIS IS WRONG!
:shrugs:

Back when I had my horrific kidney infection, they gave me Vicodin.

I took one. It was marvelous. It made the pain go away. It made pain I didn't even know I had, because that's just life with gravity go away. I have never felt better in my life. It was WONDERFUL.

I determined that I would not get the refill on the prescription.

My grandmother was pretty thoroughly hooked on the stuff for the last several years of her life, but I figure, you're allowed once you're in your eighties.

309 Varek Raith  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 10:29:36pm

re: #303 iceweasel

Charles suggested that Breitbart is behind Drudge now pimping Jones. Killgore agreed. I think they're right.

Most intriguing.

310 Gus  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 10:29:52pm

re: #309 Varek Raith

Most intriguing.

Think white coats.

311 Irenicum  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 10:30:14pm

re: #298 iceweasel

That's a really good point.

312 Cato the Elder  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 10:30:48pm

re: #300 iceweasel

But it's so sad. :(

I like sad. When happy finally comes along, sad is his companion, anyway.

Youtube Video
313 Varek Raith  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 10:30:54pm

re: #295 Nimed

You? No way!
No way!
No way!
No way!

Besides, I'm 26.
Cut a kid some slack!
:)

314 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 10:31:07pm

re: #283 Varek Raith

I used to read Malkin...
:/
:/
:/

She ain't as bad as nearly all the rest of them.

315 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 10:31:44pm

re: #286 Gus 802

I thought that was a Snugglie™

Remember those down coats that used to look like sleeping bags?

"Hey lady! Nice sleeping bag!"

//

The full-length quilted ones? It's a cross between a fur coat and a comforter? Yeah, I remember those.

316 Bagua  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 10:32:09pm

re: #277 Irenicum

Well that just bite and bytes!

Glad someone gets my jokes around here.

317 ryannon  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 10:32:57pm

re: #316 Bagua

Glad someone gets my jokes around here.

Oh. But we do.

/

318 Gus  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 10:33:08pm

re: #298 iceweasel

Come to think of it, I don't think anyone but charles has really covered the eurofascist wingnut welfare connections. That would be a good page. Outlining the progosphere notions of wingnut welfare, then summarising the LGF findings on antijihadi eurofascist versions, and tweeting the whole thing with the #p2 and #tlot tags appended as well as the usual ones.

Just sayin. It'd be nice to see the leftysphere catch up to the work that was done here about it. Even sites that specialise in mocking people like Geller really don't know about all that, much less that LGF uncovered it all years ago.

Holy smoke I remember some of the pro-Koln stuff that was uncovered. One of them is an ex-skinhead that was still selling Nazi youth songs and white supremacist speed metal albums. The right blogs ignored it and chose to focus on one image error Charles put up. They're always in denial and still ove pro-Koln because they hate Muslims. They left is afraid to look because they're still carrying around a lot of old LGF hate.

319 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 10:33:16pm

re: #302 SanFranciscoZionist

There was a great deal of...issue...about evolution here for a long time. I miss the evolution threads.

I couldn't possibly have handled that nor would I have wanted to. I was way too busy getting that particular need met over on sciblogs and various other places. ;)
Always creationists to brawl with out there. Panda's Thumb, DI, more.

In fact that might be how I started to be a regular reader here. I knew of this place after Rathergate of course, but I was really into following Dover v kitzmiller. This place seemed to always have more coverage of creeping creationism than anywhere else (that wasn't a sciblog or exclusively devoted to it, I mean).
I really can't remember at this point though. There was definitely more than one route leading me here from various places.

320 Nimed  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 10:33:18pm

re: #313 Varek Raith

Besides, I'm 26.
Cut a kid some slack!
:)

Not judging. Just saying I would never have guessed it, and your age is part of it.

But did you ever manage to register?

321 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 10:33:54pm

re: #302 SanFranciscoZionist

There was a great deal of...issue...about evolution here for a long time. I miss the evolution threads.

For one thing, I understand some of the science there. For another, I have a great fondness for early humans, and pre-humans. For another, the crap arguments against it were completely hilarious.

322 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 10:34:57pm

re: #313 Varek Raith

Besides, I'm 26.
Cut a kid some slack!
:)

I forget what a young one you are.

323 Bagua  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 10:35:11pm

re: #317 ryannon

Oh. But we do.

/

Ouch!

324 ryannon  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 10:36:09pm

re: #321 SanFranciscoZionist

For one thing, I understand some of the science there. For another, I have a great fondness for early humans, and pre-humans. For another, the crap arguments against it were completely hilarious.

The road up out of the mud: so long and arduous for them - and just a nanosecond in time.

325 Irenicum  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 10:36:20pm

re: #308 SanFranciscoZionist

I had a few major dental surgeries that required Vicodin, and yeah you're right, that shit's good! And dangerous.

326 vanderloon  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 10:36:29pm

re: #305 Nimed

"It is a very serious, thoughtful, argument that has never been made in such detail or with such care."

"It is a very serious, thoughtful, argument that has never been made in such detail or with such care."

That's my avatar line.
I am aware of all internet traditions and wingnut conventions in
which placing something in quotes or in a blockquote means that your are
quoting that person.

But here you are not.

It seems to me that what your are about is, well, sort of questionable.

Can you please expand on the idea your propose.

327 Gus  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 10:37:11pm

re: #326 vanderloon

That's my avatar line.
I am aware of all internet traditions and wingnut conventions in
which placing something in quotes or in a blockquote means that your are
quoting that person.

But here you are not.

It seems to me that what your are about is, well, sort of questionable.

Can you please expand on the idea your propose.

LTNS? How's mom? Ever get the braces out?

//

328 Irenicum  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 10:37:30pm

re: #314 SanFranciscoZionist

Calling for internment camps is pretty damn bad in my book.

329 Gus  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 10:38:00pm

Now there was another one. Gerard van der Looney.

330 vanderloon  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 10:38:21pm

re: #327 Gus 802

LTNS? How's mom? Ever get the braces out?

//

LTNS? :(

331 vanderloon  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 10:39:19pm

re: #329 Gus 802

Now there was another one. Gerard van der Looney.

That is my idiot twin. It seems to me that what he is about is, well, sort of questionable.

332 Gus  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 10:39:19pm

I was a gopher for Playboy Magazine! re: #330 vanderloon

LTNS? :(

I am aware of all internet traditions!

//

333 ryannon  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 10:39:22pm

re: #330 vanderloon

LTNS? :(

LSMFT! :-)

334 Irenicum  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 10:39:59pm

re: #321 SanFranciscoZionist

Same here SFZ. Same here.

335 Gus  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 10:40:12pm

Gerard van der Looney sent spammers to Charles calendar page. Seriously. I'm not kidding about that.

336 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 10:40:39pm

re: #324 ryannon

The road up out of the mud: so long and arduous for them - and just a nanosecond in time.

I have a great-aunt called Ida, so the discovery of the lemur-critter that was named Ida pleased me a great deal.

I had this moment at a San Francisco science museum some years ago. They had a model of the Lucy bones. They'd placed them upright, behind a silhouette of what they speculate she might have looked like.

It was so small. But it was a person. I felt--connected.

A friend of mine was raised Southern Baptist, and she recalls being asked, when she brought up evolution in Sunday School, "do you WANT to be descended from a monkey?"

Inaccuracies aside, my answer to that is "OK. I like being something that naturally exists on this earth, and has relatives."

337 Bagua  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 10:41:25pm

Now this is cool, at the wellhead a mile below the surface, a little fish.

338 Gus  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 10:41:37pm

Haven't seen "That's Glenn Beck to You" for a while either.

339 Nimed  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 10:41:38pm

re: #314 SanFranciscoZionist

She ain't as bad as nearly all the rest of them.

Depends on who you mean by "them". Her writing is awful (really, very few bloggers write worse than Malkin). But yeah, she's better than Erickson, Riehl, Pam or Breitbart.

Chris Mathews moment of glory with Malkin:

Youtube Video
340 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 10:41:39pm

re: #335 Gus 802

Gerard van der Looney sent spammers to Charles calendar page. Seriously. I'm not kidding about that.

I remember that. It's only fitting that vanderlooney already had a past as a source of worldwide internet laughter. What a douche.

341 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 10:41:42pm

re: #328 Irenicum

Calling for internment camps is pretty damn bad in my book.

True. But overall, Malkin is less hideously crazy than most of her ilk.

342 Four More Tears  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 10:41:43pm

re: #336 SanFranciscoZionist

"do you WANT to be descended from a monkey?"

Yeah, some people think that's an actual argument...

343 Four More Tears  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 10:42:19pm

re: #341 SanFranciscoZionist

True. But overall, Malkin is less hideously crazy than most of her ilk.

Are you sure about that?

344 Cato the Elder  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 10:42:33pm

re: #322 SanFranciscoZionist

I forget what a young one you are.

If you don't make Galactic Overlord by 26, you never will.

345 Gus  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 10:42:43pm

re: #340 iceweasel

I remember that. It's only fitting that vanderlooney already had a past as a source of worldwide internet laughter. What a douche.

Yep. And he got drunk or something and flounced right here.

Weirdo.

346 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 10:43:19pm

re: #305 Nimed

"It is a very serious, thoughtful, argument that has never been made in such detail or with such care."

"It is a very serious, thoughtful, argument that has never been made in such detail or with such care."

Classic goldberg. I bet you remember when SEK slaughtered that. Also neiwert IIRC.

347 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 10:43:39pm

re: #343 JasonA

Are you sure about that?

I'm sure I could be talked out of the position.

348 Cato the Elder  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 10:43:45pm

re: #328 Irenicum

Calling for internment camps is pretty damn bad in my book.

But internet camps, now, that's another matter.

349 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 10:44:09pm

re: #338 Gus 802

Haven't seen "That's Glenn Beck to You" for a while either.

I miss sarah palin's science advisor. Also, "I am smarter than you".

350 ryannon  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 10:44:11pm

re: #337 Bagua

Now this is cool, at the wellhead a mile below the surface, a little fish.

You've got good eyes. It took me five minutes to find it.

351 Varek Raith  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 10:44:26pm

re: #320 Nimed

Not judging. Just saying I would never have guessed it, and your age is part of it.

But did you ever manage to register?

Nope.

352 Gus  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 10:44:47pm

re: #349 iceweasel

I miss sarah palin's science advisor. Also, "I am smarter than you".

I think she's in Paris. ;)

353 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 10:45:08pm

re: #345 Gus 802

Yep. And he got drunk or something and flounced right here.

Weirdo.

Did he? I just remember him turning up and being a dick. I said, hey, is this THAT vanderleun? Hilariously, it was.

354 Varek Raith  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 10:45:51pm

Why don't they sell LCD monitors with a 4:3 aspect ratio?!?!
Gawd, I hate widescreen...

355 Gus  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 10:46:32pm

re: #353 iceweasel

Did he? I just remember him turning up and being a dick. I said, hey, is this THAT vanderleun? Hilariously, it was.

He finally said something and it was stupid. Charles asked him to follow up and he just sat there like a weenie. Finally he got blocked. Don't remember the details. Just that the comment he made was heavy troll.

356 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 10:48:12pm

re: #298 iceweasel

Speaking of page ideas, I haven't had much time to look into recycled RDS (Roosevelt derangement syndrome) but preliminary research looks promising. Searches for "creeping socialism" and "'creeping socialism' FDR" turned up some interesting results. It's been creeping around for 75 years now, as confirmed by wingnuts, and we still have capitalism everywhere I look, including Red Square.
(For the rest of you, the hypothesis here is that wingnuts are mining the anti-Roosevelt propaganda of the 30s and 40s for many of their present day memes. It's also likely that some of the older ones, like Ron Paul, represent a direct connection between RDS and ODS.)

357 Gus  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 10:48:27pm

Let's not forget Malkin's real time stalking and peering into peoples windows. She even took note of the woman's furniture and kitchen layout.

358 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 10:48:41pm

re: #297 Cato the Elder

And yes, I do speak all those dialects.

1) Good stuff. Thank you.
2) The last one reminded me of the German proficency tester at Ft Huachuca and a friend of mine - the tester was from Berlin & the soldier, like most US Army troopers, spoke a very Bavarian version of German. "Accent? You don't have an accent, you have a throat disease!" She signed off on his rating anyway :)
3) Nena's 99 Luftballons is a much better song in the original German than that botched monstrostity of an English translation
4) Wish I could remember my German better

359 Nimed  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 10:48:57pm

re: #351 Varek Raith

Nope.

Ah, ok. I just can't picture you on one of those comments threads.

360 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 10:49:04pm

re: #356 Shiplord Kirel

Speaking of page ideas, I haven't had much time to look into recycled RDS (Roosevelt derangement syndrome) but preliminary research looks promising. Searches for "creeping socialism" and "'creeping socialism' FDR" turned up some interesting results. It's been creeping around for 75 years now, as confirmed by wingnuts, and we still have capitalism everywhere I look, including Red Square.
(For the rest of you, the hypothesis here is that wingnuts are mining the anti-Roosevelt propaganda of the 30s and 40s for many of their present day memes. It's also likely that some of the older ones, like Ron Paul, represent a direct connection between RDS and ODS.)

Wouldn't be surprised. There also seems to be a creeping hostility toward Teddy R.

361 Varek Raith  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 10:50:19pm

re: #359 Nimed

Ah, ok. I just can't picture you on one of those comments threads.

I just stopped reading her after she wrote In Defense of Internment.

362 Irenicum  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 10:50:41pm

re: #356 Shiplord Kirel

Hell, Beck flies past FDR and goes right for TR as the focus of his crazy attack. This has been a meme long in the making.

363 Gus  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 10:51:08pm

re: #360 SanFranciscoZionist

Wouldn't be surprised. There also seems to be a creeping hostility toward Teddy R.

Last one standing is Calvin Coolidge. He and of course Saint Reagan. Otherwise the rest are out. They're already dumping Lincoln in order to garner the neo-Confederate vote. Most of it is by orders from Glenn Beck. Rush Limbaugh has been replaced by Beck.

364 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 10:52:07pm

re: #363 Gus 802

Last one standing is Calvin Coolidge. He and of course Saint Reagan. Otherwise the rest are out. They're already dumping Lincoln in order to garner the neo-Confederate vote. Most of it is by orders from Glenn Beck. Rush Limbaugh has been replaced by Beck.

What about, uh, George Washington?

365 Nimed  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 10:52:38pm

re: #328 Irenicum

Calling for internment camps is pretty damn bad in my book.

Right. So is posting the names, phone numbers and mail addresses of students which were involved in a protest. Malkin is a vile little authoritarian.

366 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 10:53:05pm

re: #355 Gus 802

He finally said something and it was stupid. Charles asked him to follow up and he just sat there like a weenie. Finally he got blocked. Don't remember the details. Just that the comment he made was heavy troll.

I missed it. He made some idiot comment and I mocked it, and then said, hey is this THAT vanderleun? It was confirmed it was. few months later he was having the full flamey meltdown over the calender. I missed the banning here and whatever led to it.

i only saw him the one time here.

367 Gus  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 10:53:24pm

re: #364 SanFranciscoZionist

What about, uh, George Washington?

He's only mentioned within the context of the founding fathers meme. Typically it's about his alleged religiousness.

368 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 10:54:01pm

re: #357 Gus 802

Let's not forget Malkin's real time stalking and peering into peoples windows. She even took note of the woman's furniture and kitchen layout.

Let's remember it wasn't just a woman-- she was targetting a 12 year old boy. His whole family was collatoral damage. Graeme Frost IIRC over S-CHIP.

369 Irenicum  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 10:54:16pm

I won't lie. I bought Malkin's first book because of the post 9/11 fever of fear. That, and I like hot Philippina women. But that's just me. Sometimes I'm a dick with a head, instead of a head with a dick. I'm totally over her little hatefest now.

370 Varek Raith  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 10:54:24pm

Why does Beck hate 96% of our presidents???

371 Gus  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 10:54:54pm

re: #368 iceweasel

Let's remember it wasn't just a woman-- she was targetting a 12 year old boy. His whole family was collatoral damage. Graeme Frost IIRC over S-CHIP.

Correct. She also works with James Dobson in the Springs. I'm sure she's also in contact with that other dumbass Vodka Pundit who lives in the Springs.

372 Gus  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 10:55:25pm

re: #370 Varek Raith

Why does Beck hate 96% of our presidents???

Cocaine.

373 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 10:55:53pm

re: #356 Shiplord Kirel

Speaking of page ideas, I haven't had much time to look into recycled RDS (Roosevelt derangement syndrome) but preliminary research looks promising. Searches for "creeping socialism" and "'creeping socialism' FDR" turned up some interesting results. It's been creeping around for 75 years now, as confirmed by wingnuts, and we still have capitalism everywhere I look, including Red Square.
(For the rest of you, the hypothesis here is that wingnuts are mining the anti-Roosevelt propaganda of the 30s and 40s for many of their present day memes. It's also likely that some of the older ones, like Ron Paul, represent a direct connection between RDS and ODS.)

Oh fantastic, I'm really looking forward to seeing what you come up with. I bet it will be great. (if i miss it when you do it pls catch me on some thread and tell me, i''l definitely comment upding and promote i'm sure)

374 Irenicum  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 10:56:46pm

re: #364 SanFranciscoZionist

Way too constitutional for their taste.

375 Four More Tears  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 10:57:39pm

I'm out for some shut eye. Later, lizards.

376 Gus  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 10:58:09pm

re: #373 iceweasel

Oh fantastic, I'm really looking forward to seeing what you come up with. I bet it will be great. (if i miss it when you do it pls catch me on some thread and tell me, i''l definitely comment upding and promote i'm sure)

Funny that you know. When FDR died if I read correctly it was almost like the day the Earth stood still. A lot of people were floored over his death. He was revered for his actions during WWII and the Great Depression. FDR gave us Eisenhower.

377 Nimed  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 10:58:16pm

re: #357 Gus 802

Let's not forget Malkin's real time stalking and peering into peoples windows. She even took note of the woman's furniture and kitchen layout.

re: #368 iceweasel

Let's remember it wasn't just a woman-- she was targetting a 12 year old boy. His whole family was collatoral damage. Graeme Frost IIRC over S-CHIP.

Jesus, I had almost forgotten about that. Nauseating.

378 Gus  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 10:59:19pm

re: #375 JasonA

I'm out for some shut eye. Later, lizards.

Later Jason. Hope your mom's doing good.

379 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 11:00:41pm

re: #356 Shiplord Kirel

It's also likely that some of the older ones, like Ron Paul, represent a direct connection between RDS and ODS.)


BINGO-- I would also look into Bircher propaganda. It's all over there too guaranteed.

A lot of the crazy we're seeing now, it's almost a direct line of descent that can be traced, running from FDR thru Birchers thru Paulian shit thru Richard Hofstader/Paranoid Style. imo. Needs to be dug up.

380 Irenicum  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 11:00:43pm

re: #376 Gus 802

It was the same way when Kennedy died. In some important ways it was a very different country back then.

381 Irenicum  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 11:02:14pm

re: #379 iceweasel

Just bought Hofstader's classic recently. Should read it. Some things seem to never change. Damn human condition!

382 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 11:02:16pm

re: #370 Varek Raith

Why does Beck hate 96% of our presidents???

Because they were Commies.

383 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 11:04:31pm

re: #376 Gus 802

Funny that you know. When FDR died if I read correctly it was almost like the day the Earth stood still. A lot of people were floored over his death. He was revered for his actions during WWII and the Great Depression. FDR gave us Eisenhower.

On some page the other day, a page of SK's iirc, he and i were talking about it. He mentioned some things I didn't know at all about RDS then and similarities to ODS. I said that the lunatic arguments against HCR were almost exactly the same as the ones made against social security.
I've seen one history grad student discuss that, but on some obscure site and not in much depth. It was all about the HCR/Soc Security parallels in wingnut outrage. Someone should do that for reals with the history knowledge.
It's something that could be pretty big.

384 Gus  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 11:04:36pm

re: #380 Irenicum

It was the same way when Kennedy died. In some important ways it was a very different country back then.

Kennedy was a hawk. People still deny this. He went along with going to Vietnam and for right or wrong he got us there. He mades some mistakes like the Bay of Pigs but in the end he stared the USSR and Cuba straight in the eye in 1962 including ordering all SAC aircraft to be cocked and loaded for a nuclear war. He was also strong with the environment and civil right. His brother, Robert, was very close to John but was a bit more liberal.

The reason I say this is because I've grown old of seeing some on the right paint JFK as being this weak "leftist" president. Far from it.

385 Varek Raith  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 11:06:04pm

re: #384 Gus 802

Kennedy was a hawk. People still deny this. He went along with going to Vietnam and for right or wrong he got us there. He mades some mistakes like the Bay of Pigs but in the end he stared the USSR and Cuba straight in the eye in 1962 including ordering all SAC aircraft to be cocked and loaded for a nuclear war. He was also strong with the environment and civil right. His brother, Robert, was very close to John but was a bit more liberal.

The reason I say this is because I've grown old of seeing some on the right paint JFK as being this weak "leftist" president. Far from it.

Only God-Emperor Reagan shall be honored!

386 Nimed  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 11:06:54pm

re: #346 iceweasel

Classic goldberg. I bet you remember when SEK slaughtered that. Also neiwert IIRC.

I remember reading neiwert and lot of other reviews at the time. But, what's SEK?

387 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 11:07:43pm

re: #384 Gus 802

heh, I remember everyone my age on the left (teenagers, born long after the assasination) having this mystical idea that he was like a hippie pres who was all about world peace and pacifism, if only!....
Uh, not so.

388 Gus  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 11:08:00pm

re: #383 iceweasel

On some page the other day, a page of SK's iirc, he and i were talking about it. He mentioned some things I didn't know at all about RDS then and similarities to ODS. I said that the lunatic arguments against HCR were almost exactly the same as the ones made against social security.
I've seen one history grad student discuss that, but on some obscure site and not in much depth. It was all about the HCR/Soc Security parallels in wingnut outrage. Someone should do that for reals with the history knowledge.
It's something that could be pretty big.

It could. FDR derangement is pretty old though. Many on the right have been kvetching against him for decades now. I think it was his attempt at the "2nd Bill of Rights" that was brought up recently within the context of Obama. They always tried to portray him as a socialist much as they do with Obama.

I would say the same thing about FDR as I do with Obama. He won. Three times in fact.

389 Irenicum  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 11:08:05pm

re: #384 Gus 802

You're exactly right. My father cried bitterly when Kennedy was killed. For all his personal foibles, JFK was a good man and a good President.

390 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 11:10:04pm

re: #386 Nimed

I remember reading neiwert and lot of other reviews at the time. But, what's SEK?

Scot Erik Kaufman. You'd love him. Blogs over at LGM, Edge of the american west, and his own blog Acephalous. He's terrific and also did hilarious and thorough debunkings of Jack Cashill and the "AyErs WrOtE ObAMa's BOoKs!" bullshit.

391 Nimed  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 11:11:16pm

re: #390 iceweasel

Scot Erik Kaufman. You'd love him. Blogs over at LGM, Edge of the american west, and his own blog Acephalous. He's terrific and also did hilarious and thorough debunkings of Jack Cashill and the "AyErs WrOtE ObAMa's BOoKs!" bullshit.

Thanks.

392 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 11:11:23pm

re: #388 Gus 802

It could. FDR derangement is pretty old though. Many on the right have been kvetching against him for decades now. I think it was his attempt at the "2nd Bill of Rights" that was brought up recently within the context of Obama. They always tried to portray him as a socialist much as they do with Obama.

I would say the same thing about FDR as I do with Obama. He won. Three times in fact.

I mean a metapiece that looks at the wingnut narratives about FDR at that time (not the later derangement which we're more familar with) and compares them to the ones about Obama. Done right could be pretty cool.

393 Gus  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 11:12:19pm

re: #387 iceweasel

heh, I remember everyone my age on the left (teenagers, born long after the assasination) having this mystical idea that he was like a hippie pres who was all about world peace and pacifism, if only!...
Uh, not so.

Right. JFK the hippie. Him and the Green Berets replacing the French in Indochina. He was about world peace and pacifism but he also walked with a big stick. In many ways like TR. If we look back at Eisenhower we can almost see the reverse perception. He gave us Brown v. Board of Ed. and his final speech warning us of the "Military-Industrial Complex."

394 Irenicum  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 11:12:21pm

re: #388 Gus 802

Thank God he did. Consider what the alternative would have been. An isolationist GOP government that would have resisted any entry into the war, thus freeing up Hitler to do much more damage and possibly controlling all of Europe for decades, if not longer. And as far as Israel is concerned...there would be no such entity. I will always be grateful for FDR till the day I die.

395 Irenicum  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 11:14:47pm

re: #393 Gus 802

It is odd that in certain respects they end up on the other end of the spectrum from their fellow party, at least in the more modern context. That may explain why I like them both so much.

396 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 11:15:57pm

re: #373 iceweasel

Oh fantastic, I'm really looking forward to seeing what you come up with. I bet it will be great. (if i miss it when you do it pls catch me on some thread and tell me, i''l definitely comment upding and promote i'm sure)

I'll do that.
For others on this thread: Current wingnuts of course, regard FDR as an anti-Christ, the almost exact inverse of their Saint Reagan. I'm looking for something a little different from their current historical view, the actual unattributed re-use of memes, rhetoric and even specific allegations from those who vilified FDR during his lifetime.

What got me started on this was the striking similarity of some of today's neo-isolationist tea-partiers and the isolationists of the period just before Pearl Harbor. The latter were mostly small town and rural Republicans, middle class, and prone to citing religious motivations. Before the German invasion of the Soviet Union, there was even a de facto alliance of extreme right and extreme isolationists in the anti-war movement, with avowed communists and society matrons in fur coats demonstrating side-by-side against Roosevelt's policies of "interventionism."
Conspiracy theories also play a role. For instance, I can hear echoes of the Pearl Harbor conspiracy theory in some of the claims that Obama let the Gulf oil spill happen, especially in terms of alleged motivation (ie to solidify control of the economy).

397 Gus  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 11:18:00pm

re: #395 Irenicum

It is odd that in certain respects they end up on the other end of the spectrum from their fellow party, at least in the more modern context. That may explain why I like them both so much.

It's almost like you can say in Kennedy's voice: some see defeat where instead I see victory. While others see a step back, I see progress. If we look back from where we came you can see the great strides we have made as a society.

398 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 11:18:29pm

re: #385 Varek Raith

Only God-Emperor Reagan shall be honored!

I kind of wonder how the actual Reagan would fare with wingnuts if he were alive and active today. Probably just another RINO.

399 Varek Raith  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 11:20:44pm

re: #398 Shiplord Kirel

I kind of wonder how the actual Reagan would fare with wingnuts if he were alive and active today. Probably just another RINO.

You betcha!

400 Irenicum  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 11:22:47pm

re: #398 Shiplord Kirel

Both Reagan and Buckley would be considered RINO's nowadays. The base of the party has reverted to nativist roots. Sad and scary.

401 ClaudeMonet  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 11:25:51pm

re: #32 oaktree

Looks like an action hero retirement community...

For a mercenary picture I'll stick to _Dogs of War_. And the novel was better than the movie in any case.

"The Dogs of War" is one of my favorite novels (even if a key bit of information that the hero learns is forgotten by him at the end), but a crappy movie. The producers/studio/writers changed the hero to an American, dispensed with most of the plot threads that come together in the novel, and generally made a muddled boom-bang movie.

402 Gus  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 11:26:07pm

re: #398 Shiplord Kirel

I kind of wonder how the actual Reagan would fare with wingnuts if he were alive and active today. Probably just another RINO.

Reagan never got rid of the EPA. He never closed down the Department of Education nor the Department of Energy. He was an expansionist and in many ways a nation builder. He sought in the end to extend a hand in outreach to the Soviet Union. He sought amnesty for many illegals. During his term we were also never engaged in an all out war against any nation.

In the end, government grew under Reagan and that includes departments, and red ink. He had James Watt fired. He was friends with Rock Hudson. He was the first conservative to face his own demons and acknowledge AIDs and the gay community although reluctantly.

403 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 11:26:58pm

re: #398 Shiplord Kirel

I kind of wonder how the actual Reagan would fare with wingnuts if he were alive and active today. Probably just another RINO.

I think definitely a RINO. They'd hate him. I think he wouldn't have time for them either.

404 BryanS  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 11:28:29pm

re: #105 Floral Giraffe

"Fenestrated" is another great word. As is defenestrated.

Autoidefenestration--what missy2432 did in the last thread.

405 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 11:28:52pm

re: #402 Gus 802

I have some issues with Reagan but he deserves the label of 'compassionate conservative' far more so than a lot of later people who lay claim to it.

406 Irenicum  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 11:30:24pm

re: #402 Gus 802

As much as I didn't like Reagan back in the day, you're quite right about this, and I give him credit for that.

407 Gus  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 11:32:10pm

re: #406 Irenicum

As much as I didn't like Reagan back in the day, you're quite right about this, and I give him credit for that.

Oh heck. I used to hate Reagan back in the day. Trust me, I was livid. Over the years I've grown used to him. The only grudge I hold against him is South Africa and Central America (CIA). The rest is what I've come used to with presidents.

408 Gus  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 11:34:28pm

Sweet Seasons by Carole King

Youtube Video
409 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 11:34:43pm

re: #407 Gus 802

Oh heck. I used to hate Reagan back in the day. Trust me, I was livid. Over the years I've grown used to him. The only grudge I hold against him is South Africa and Central America (CIA). The rest is what I've come used to with presidents.

What I really can't forgive him for is so-cons and the rise of the religious right. That's the legacy of the deal he cut with them back in the day, the coalition formed then. That's why we're seeing all those players again: Dobson, Operation Rescue, etc.
And it was shit in re: reproductive rights. Moral Majority bullshit.

410 ClaudeMonet  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 11:37:04pm

re: #118 Irenicum

I'm partial to rapprochement. I love that word and how it's pronounced.

Having just been in a production of Cat On a Hot Tin Roof, I fell in love with two of the many words Tennessee Williams uses that you don't often see, mendacity and dilatory.

411 Gus  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 11:37:05pm

re: #409 iceweasel

What I really can't forgive him for is so-cons and the rise of the religious right. That's the legacy of the deal he cut with them back in the day, the coalition formed then. That's why we're seeing all those players again: Dobson, Operation Rescue, etc.
And it was shit in re: reproductive rights. Moral Majority bullshit.

True. Yet, he was never able to do a thing about Roe v. Wade. Same thing with Bush I and II. They talked a great deal of talk but Roe v. Wade still stands as it should. So the system works to a great extent.

412 Gus  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 11:42:05pm

Any questions?

/

413 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 11:43:28pm

re: #411 Gus 802

True. Yet, he was never able to do a thing about Roe v. Wade. Same thing with Bush I and II. They talked a great deal of talk but Roe v. Wade still stands as it should. So the system works to a great extent.

Not really. That is, you're correct. R v Wade didn't get overturned.
The fact is that in the 80's we saw the birth of the concept that also spawned the school boards/creationism struggle: when you can't force what you want through on the national/federal/SCOTUS level, you work from the ground up. Starting in the 80's we had continual pushback against abortion on local and state levels. This whole ultrasound idea and similar didn't just start now. It's an ongoing battle and it's been going on since then. FACE, parental notifications, spousal notifications, more. Every month, state by state, some challenge to abortion access has been ongoing since the 80's.

When the creationists starting doing this in the mid/late 90's and 2000's, that's where they got the playbook from.

414 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 11:47:00pm

re: #412 Gus 802

Any questions?

/

None whatsoever at the moment. /

415 Irenicum  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 11:48:03pm

re: #410 ClaudeMonet

I love archaic words. Especially if they've changed in their meaning over the years.

416 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 11:49:23pm

re: #357 Gus 802

Let's not forget Malkin's real time stalking and peering into peoples windows. She even took note of the woman's furniture and kitchen layout.

THEY HAVE GRANITE COUNTERTOPS AAAARGH

417 Irenicum  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 11:49:34pm

re: #407 Gus 802

I agree with you on both those points. C.A. and S.A. are two very sore points for me too.

418 Gus  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 11:51:01pm

re: #413 iceweasel

Not really. That is, you're correct. R v Wade didn't get overturned.
The fact is that in the 80's we saw the birth of the concept that also spawned the school boards/creationism struggle: when you can't force what you want through on the national/federal/SCOTUS level, you work from the ground up. Starting in the 80's we had continual pushback against abortion on local and state levels. This whole ultrasound idea and similar didn't just start now. It's an ongoing battle and it's been going on since then. FACE, parental notifications, spousal notifications, more. Every month, state by state, some challenge to abortion access has been ongoing since the 80's.

When the creationists starting doing this in the mid/late 90's and 2000's, that's where they got the playbook from.

True. While they failed in many respects he did bring us assholes like Ed Meese. During that time we also got other creeps like Bob Novak. Untold thousands dead in Central and South America. Trickle down economics that only benefited the rich.

419 boredtechindenver  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 11:51:27pm

re: #219 Dark_Falcon

And I will be watching that episode when it airs.

There are many good reasons to watch "Glee", but my favorite reason is to see what Brittany will say next.

Youtube Video

And on the quasi subject of Glee, who wants to see Dianna Agron and Lea Michele star "Wicked". I know I do. And it would fit with the original stars having both appeared on "Glee'.

420 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 11:54:30pm

re: #418 Gus 802

True. While they failed in many respects he did bring us assholes like Ed Meese. During that time we also got other creeps like Bob Novak. Untold thousands dead in Central and South America. Trickle down economics that only benefited the rich.

I basically agree with everything you've said about Reagan; the thing for me is that reproductive rights were really the first overtly political area I cared about, and the 80's was the time when I began to be at all politically aware, so necessarily so it's always been very large in my windshield and in rear view mirror. /

421 Irenicum  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 11:55:25pm

G'nite gang. See y'all later. As always, good fun. Work beckons.

422 Gus  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 11:56:54pm

re: #420 iceweasel

I basically agree with everything you've said about Reagan; the thing for me is that reproductive rights were really the first overtly political area I cared about, and the 80's was the time when I began to be at all politically aware, so necessarily so it's always been very large in my windshield and in rear view mirror. /

Mine was the environment. Reagan was a complete failure.

423 Gus  Sun, Jul 11, 2010 11:59:20pm

You still can't trust the oil companies. Those assholes only care about making a profit. It's not about patriotism or Adam Smith. They'd sell your soul to the dogs in order to make a profit. Those jerks destroyed rail travel in this country in order to get everyone in an automobile.

424 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 12:01:44am

re: #423 Gus 802

You still can't trust the oil companies. Those assholes only care about making a profit. It's not about patriotism or Adam Smith. They'd sell your soul to the dogs in order to make a profit. Those jerks destroyed rail travel in this country in order to get everyone in an automobile.

Abso-fucking-lutely. Gus, did you ever see The Corporation? I can't remember now if we ever talked about that.
Anyway, that analysis? = Oil companies forever.

425 Gus  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 12:02:35am

We're drilling down 5000 feet into the Gulf so a bunch of yuppies can drive around in their SUVs. One person per SUV. 300 horsepower to drag a 1 ton vehicle to carry a 200 pound American. Makes no sense.

God bless America.

426 Gus  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 12:03:28am

re: #424 iceweasel

Abso-fucking-lutely. Gus, did you ever see The Corporation? I can't remember now if we ever talked about that.
Anyway, that analysis? = Oil companies forever.

God bless the oil companies. True Americans love oil companies. And health insurance companies. And banks. And credit card companies. And hate Muslims.

//

427 ClaudeMonet  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 12:04:20am

re: #31 Dark_Falcon

Done

re: #57 Irenicum

You'd have to travel to hell to find that ones birth certificate.

It was born in West Texas in August?

re: #75 Mad Al-Jaffee

Does "The Lizard Collection" mean that we'll all get a piece of the profits when you sell them? :)

And did you never collect any DC books back in the day?

Charles posted a Green Lantern comic a day or two ago, which was DC. As a comic book aficionado back then, though, Marvel was the better line artistically, more creative, more audacious, more politically liberal, and by and large more fun. DC had lots of good stuff, but it seemed somewhat dated, "Mom, Apple Pie, and the Flag" stuff.

428 Nimed  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 12:04:38am

re: #418 Gus 802

True. While they failed in many respects he did bring us assholes like Ed Meese. During that time we also got other creeps like Bob Novak. Untold thousands dead in Central and South America. Trickle down economics that only benefited the rich.

re: #420 iceweasel

I basically agree with everything you've said about Reagan; the thing for me is that reproductive rights were really the first overtly political area I cared about, and the 80's was the time when I began to be at all politically aware, so necessarily so it's always been very large in my windshield and in rear view mirror. /

My position is that: a) you're right on these issues and b) Reagan didn't suck a little, he sucked a lot. He was lucky to catch the Monetarism train, and he managed what would turn out to be the last years of the USSR pretty well. That was it. The rest varied from unremarkable to remarkably bad.

429 Gus  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 12:07:57am

re: #428 Nimed

My position is that: a) you're right on these issues and b) Reagan didn't suck a little, he sucked a lot. He was lucky to catch the Monetarism train, and he managed what would turn out to be the last years of the USSR pretty well. That was it. The rest varied from unremarkable to remarkably bad.

You know the true story of why the USSR fell right? It wasn't Reagan. It was Perestroyka, Poland, the Pope, and people within the Soviet Union. Reagan didn't have much to do with why the USSR fell. It fell because the people their chose for it to fall. Reagan just had good writers and an agent.

Funny how ministers of propaganda work. Some of them went on like Rumsfeld and Cheney. Ron Paul also worked for Reagan.

430 ClaudeMonet  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 12:10:44am

re: #85 SanFranciscoZionist

Also, my framed bat mitzvah certificate from Temple Emanu-El.

Which Temple Emanu-El? The one in Manhattan? That's where my parents met (to the universe's displeasure).

re: #213 Floral Giraffe

Blue light special at KMart.
(Are they still in business?)

Yes, but I haven't been in one for years.re: #270 Gus 802

I went to the hospital once. They said I was dehydrated, pumped me up with fluids and gave me a scrip. So, when I got home I took one of those suckers and proceeded to faint and woke up after 90 minutes in front of the bathroom vanity.

I flushed those pills down the toilet.

You must follow the instructions. If the bottle says, "Take only with meals" or some such, you'd better do it. I speak from experience. I'm thankful that it happened at home and not out on the road or in a public place.

re: #333 ryannon

LSMFT! :-)

Wow, there's an oldie. That dates back to at least the Sixties, when cigarette advertising on television was legal.

431 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 12:11:11am

re: #428 Nimed

My position is that: a) you're right on these issues and b) Reagan didn't suck a little, he sucked a lot. He was lucky to catch the Monetarism train, and he managed what would turn out to be the last years of the USSR pretty well. That was it. The rest varied from unremarkable to remarkably bad.

I think we might all be on the same page about this. I'm pretty certain we're all very aware of the wingnut myth about Saint Reagan and the reality that those people would run Reagan out of the GOP now on a rail.

To be honest, I can't be bothered having fights with wingnuts about reagan given that it's so freakin hard to get them to criticise anyone in the GOP (and other teabaggin loons) TODAY.

If they DO want to talk about today, it's STILL all about the Weatherman and bill ayers and OMG jeremiah Wright. Just exhausting.

432 Gus  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 12:11:45am

re: #430 ClaudeMonet

This is Gus you're talking to. I've always "had a meal."

433 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 12:13:40am

re: #429 Gus 802

You know the true story of why the USSR fell right? It wasn't Reagan. It was Perestroyka, Poland, the Pope, and people within the Soviet Union. Reagan didn't have much to do with why the USSR fell. It fell because the people their chose for it to fall. Reagan just had good writers and an agent.

And charisma. These three served him well in his prior career too.

Anyway, yes, on perestroika and the fall of the USSR. But if we say this upstairs in 3,4,5 hours it will be STONE THE NONBELIEVER for a little while, lol.

434 Gus  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 12:13:48am

re: #431 iceweasel

I think we might all be on the same page about this. I'm pretty certain we're all very aware of the wingnut myth about Saint Reagan and the reality that those people would run Reagan out of the GOP now on a rail.

To be honest, I can't be bothered having fights with wingnuts about reagan given that it's so freakin hard to get them to criticise anyone in the GOP (and other teabaggin loons) TODAY.

If they DO want to talk about today, it's STILL all about the Weatherman and bill ayers and OMG jeremiah Wright. Just exhausting.

I was going to make a joke about Gore not coming up today. It's typically Gore, Soros, Code Pink, Ayers, Wright, etc.

435 Gus  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 12:14:23am

re: #433 iceweasel

And charisma. These three served him well in his prior career too.

Anyway, yes, on perestroika and the fall of the USSR. But if we say this upstairs in 3,4,5 hours it will be STONE THE NONBELIEVER for a little while, lol.

Hey. I'm a big shot remember. I can get away with it. ;)

436 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 12:14:59am

re: #434 Gus 802

I was going to make a joke about Gore not coming up today. It's typically Gore, Soros, Code Pink, Ayers, Wright, etc.

This week it's OMG BLACK PANTHERS AGH! in there too. /

437 Nimed  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 12:15:00am

re: #429 Gus 802

You know the true story of why the USSR fell right? It wasn't Reagan. It was Perestroyka, Poland, the Pope, and people within the Soviet Union. Reagan didn't have much to do with why the USSR fell. It fell because the people their chose for it to fall. Reagan just had good writers and an agent.

Funny how ministers of propaganda work. Some of them went on like Rumsfeld and Cheney. Ron Paul also worked for Reagan.

I'm more willing to agree with you than most, but START I was a good move, as was (depending on your morals) the military support offered to the Mujihadeen.

438 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 12:16:08am

re: #435 Gus 802

Hey. I'm a big shot remember. I can get away with it. ;)

It's true. You're an enforcer and a transnational progressive with extensive wealth in brazil and all kinds of connections. I read it on the intertubes so it's true!

439 ClaudeMonet  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 12:17:15am

re: #358 wlewisiii


The last one reminded me of the German proficency tester at Ft Huachuca and a friend of mine - the tester was from Berlin & the soldier, like most US Army troopers, spoke a very Bavarian version of German. "Accent? You don't have an accent, you have a throat disease!" She signed off on his rating anyway :)

That reads like my late uncle's experience when he joined the Army in 1942. The German proficiency tester said his German sounded like he'd learned it in school. His answer (stripped of obscenities) was along the lines of, "Yes, the school my parents, their parents, their parents, their parents, and their parents attended in Bavaria, the school I would have attended had we not left Germany in 1934".

So, like many German expatriates, they sent him to the Pacific.

re: #370 Varek Raith

Why does Beck hate 96% of our presidents???

Because they'll be remembered far longer and more affectionately than him. We respect even the bad ones, and you can't say that for his type.

re: #388 Gus 802


I would say the same thing about FDR as I do with Obama. He won. Three times in fact.

FDR won four times. He died early in the fourth term.

440 Gus  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 12:17:20am

re: #436 iceweasel

This week it's OMG BLACK PANTHERS AGH! in there too. /

Oh noz! Not the Black Panthers. You mean that one. Single. Singular. One guy. Dude with a night stick in Philly? That's so funny. They get one guy with a night stick in Philly and turn it into a catastrophe. Those darn wingnuts. They're so efficient.

441 Nimed  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 12:17:51am

re: #431 iceweasel

I think we might all be on the same page about this. I'm pretty certain we're all very aware of the wingnut myth about Saint Reagan and the reality that those people would run Reagan out of the GOP now on a rail.

To be honest, I can't be bothered having fights with wingnuts about reagan given that it's so freakin hard to get them to criticise anyone in the GOP (and other teabaggin loons) TODAY.

If they DO want to talk about today, it's STILL all about the Weatherman and bill ayers and OMG jeremiah Wright. Just exhausting.

Right. Hard enough to convince them things are not well right now. The "you know folks, you have been sucking for quite some time" speech will not be very persuasive -- but it's true.

442 Gus  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 12:19:32am

re: #437 Nimed

I'm more willing to agree with you than most, but START I was a good move, as was (depending on your morals) the military support offered to the Mujihadeen.

Maybe on the Mujahideen. But in typical fashion we told the Mujahideen to take a hike after the USA used them. That's rather typical with the CIA. That's why Saddam Hussien told the USA to go fornicate themselves because he knew that we were about to do the same to him after the CIA used him. It's that famous cell phone call he made to the CIA.

443 Gus  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 12:21:26am

re: #438 iceweasel

It's true. You're an enforcer and a transnational progressive with extensive wealth in brazil and all kinds of connections. I read it on the intertubes so it's true!

People will believe that only after ingesting large amounts of Cheetos and being an idiot to being with. Typical butthurt anti-Jihadist morons that they are.

For future readers. I've been drinking.

444 Nimed  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 12:22:04am

re: #442 Gus 802

Maybe on the Mujahideen. But in typical fashion we told the Mujahideen to take a hike after the USA used them. That's rather typical with the CIA. That's why Saddam Hussien told the USA to go fornicate themselves because he knew that we were about to do the same to him after the CIA used him. It's that famous cell phone call he made to the CIA.

Right.

445 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 12:22:06am

re: #440 Gus 802

Oh noz! Not the Black Panthers. You mean that one. Single. Singular. One guy. Dude with a night stick in Philly? That's so funny. They get one guy with a night stick in Philly and turn it into a catastrophe. Those darn wingnuts. They're so efficient.

They also think Teh Left is so sinisterly efficient too. :) Obama's grandparents cleverly arranging to register him as a US citizen just in case he wanted to run for Prez, and more.

Seriously, where have these people been for the last like 30, 40 years? The left could hardly kick its way out of a wet paper bag if it involved consensus, messaging, and co-ordination.

You sort of just had a perfect storm of frustration over Iraq and Bush and the (still inexplicible, to me) failure of the right to jump on the internet right away as a medium and a means of message. That's the whole reason for Nov 2008 pretty much.

446 Gus  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 12:22:52am

Typical right winger day:

Mulsims, Mulsims, Mulsims, Mulsims, Mulsims, Mulsims, Mulsims, Mulsims, Mulsims, Mulsims, Mulsims, Mulsims, Mulsims, Mulsims, Mulsims, Mulsims, Mulsims.

Gays, Gays, Gays, Gays, Gays, Gays, Gays, Gays, Gays, Gays, Gays, Gays, Gays, Gays, Gays, Gays, Gays, Gays, Gays, Gays, Gays, Gays, Gays, Gays, Gays.

Abortion, Abortion, Abortion, Abortion, Abortion, Abortion, Abortion, Abortion, Abortion, Abortion, Abortion, Abortion, Abortion, Abortion, Abortion.

447 Gus  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 12:24:12am

re: #446 Gus 802

Oops. I misspelled Muslims. Damn American beer.

448 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 12:25:10am

re: #446 Gus 802

Typical right winger day:

Mulsims, Mulsims, Mulsims, Mulsims, Mulsims, Mulsims, Mulsims, Mulsims, Mulsims, Mulsims, Mulsims, Mulsims, Mulsims, Mulsims, Mulsims, Mulsims, Mulsims.

Gays, Gays, Gays, Gays, Gays, Gays, Gays, Gays, Gays, Gays, Gays, Gays, Gays, Gays, Gays, Gays, Gays, Gays, Gays, Gays, Gays, Gays, Gays, Gays, Gays.

Abortion, Abortion, Abortion, Abortion, Abortion, Abortion, Abortion, Abortion, Abortion, Abortion, Abortion, Abortion, Abortion, Abortion, Abortion.

Oh be fair. that's just the first couple of hours. /
After that, it's all TEH LEFT TEH LEFT TEH LEFT! TRAITORS TRAITORS TRAITORS!

Then it's several hours of weeping./

449 Gus  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 12:26:37am

re: #445 iceweasel

They also think Teh Left is so sinisterly efficient too. :) Obama's grandparents cleverly arranging to register him as a US citizen just in case he wanted to run for Prez, and more.

Seriously, where have these people been for the last like 30, 40 years? The left could hardly kick its way out of a wet paper bag if it involved consensus, messaging, and co-ordination.

You sort of just had a perfect storm of frustration over Iraq and Bush and the (still inexplicible, to me) failure of the right to jump on the internet right away as a medium and a means of message. That's the whole reason for Nov 2008 pretty much.

The left? Right the left. The so called left that gave us HCR without a public option or even an insurance co-op. Without both this become a free market bullshit program which means once again. The asshole doctors, hospitals, and insurance companies will get richer. Despite the faux outrage about Medicare payments to these doctors.

450 Nimed  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 12:27:32am

Ok, 3:25 in the East Coast. See you tomorrow, people.

451 Gus  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 12:27:54am

re: #450 Nimed

Ok, 3:25 in the East Coast. See you tomorrow, people.

Later Nimed.

452 Gus  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 12:31:27am

re: #448 iceweasel

Oh be fair. that's just the first couple of hours. /
After that, it's all TEH LEFT TEH LEFT TEH LEFT! TRAITORS TRAITORS TRAITORS!

Then it's several hours of weeping./

Yep. Another outrage about "Muslims killing 4 people" while on the same night more women were killed by their American husbands and boyfriends and in other violent crimes. At the same time we kill one Taliban "leader" while "accidentally" killing 13 civilians in Buttfuck, Afghanistan and call it collateral damage and blow it off. Yet they tell me, an atheist, that we supposed to think high thoughts according to some Judeo-Christian religion and keep my mouth shut in this democracy.

Is that about right?

453 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 12:32:46am

re: #449 Gus 802

The left? Right the left. The so called left that gave us HCR without a public option or even an insurance co-op. Without both this become a free market bullshit program which means once again. The asshole doctors, hospitals, and insurance companies will get richer. Despite the faux outrage about Medicare payments to these doctors.

So freaking true. Hahaha. OMG SOCIALMALISM STATES RIGHTS OVERTURN!
C'mon. Ok, we have some HCR. That's great and we need it. It will cover some people who aren't covered. It's an important first step. We're better off with it than without it, no question.

But it is and pretty much (without a pub opt) was ALWAYS going to be a giveaway to the ins co's. There was just no way Obama et al would ever put anything through that didn't benefit them. Period.
Which is one reason why the hysterical outrage and the current "Obama hates big biz!" meme is so divorced from reality.

Look how hard it was to get that through. Could anything better have gotten through?
I don't think so. And I don't blame merely repub obstructionism, but also blue dogs, stupak, and the whole ins lobby/ dem establishment.

454 ClaudeMonet  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 12:32:46am

re: #418 Gus 802

True. While they failed in many respects he did bring us assholes like Ed Meese. During that time we also got other creeps like Bob Novak. Untold thousands dead in Central and South America. Trickle down economics that only benefited the rich.

Novak had been around for many years pre-Reagan. I know this because our dominant (and now only) local paper carried "Evans & Novak" as part of their "all the political spectrum as long as it's pre-1950s Republican" editorial policy.

re: #429 Gus 802

You know the true story of why the USSR fell right? It wasn't Reagan. It was Perestroyka, Poland, the Pope, and people within the Soviet Union. Reagan didn't have much to do with why the USSR fell. It fell because the people their chose for it to fall. Reagan just had good writers and an agent.

Funny how ministers of propaganda work. Some of them went on like Rumsfeld and Cheney. Ron Paul also worked for Reagan.


Reagan had a lot to do with the fall of the Soviet Union. He ramped up the pressure on the SU that President Carter had so damaged in his brief and disastrous Presidency. Certainly some of the fall was due to internal rot and the freedom movements of the "satellite states", but without American and Allied pressure militarily and diplomatically, many of those movements would have been eliminated, quickly and quietly. Eventually, the SU crumbled under the combined internal and external pressure. President Reagan's part was to tell everyone at every point, "We're not going to be weenies about this."

Economically, President Reagan did NOT advocate "trickle-down economics"; in fact, he was expressly against that kind of old-line Republican thinking. He was a supply-sider, and while his tax cuts did benefit the rich the most, it was because they paid the most. Almost everyone got a tax cut, particularly the middle class, and while it led to massive deficits that had never been seen before, it also revitalized an economy that had fallen into massive inflation and unemployment.

Lots of good people worked for President Reagan. So did lots of bad people. IIRC Ron Paul was a nobody back then. Twenty-plus years after any Administration, you'll find both good and bad people who worked in it.

455 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 12:34:56am

re: #452 Gus 802

Yep. Another outrage about "Muslims killing 4 people" while on the same night more women were killed by their American husbands and boyfriends and in other violent crimes. At the same time we kill one Taliban "leader" while "accidentally" killing 13 civilians in Buttfuck, Afghanistan and call it collateral damage and blow it off. Yet they tell me, an atheist, that we supposed to think high thoughts according to some Judeo-Christian religion and keep my mouth shut in this democracy.

Is that about right?

Damn, you rock. :)

More in a bit. also have a page on insurance co's. BRB!

456 boxhead  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 12:35:01am

re: #452 Gus 802

Hi and bye Gus and Ice.. just got in and gonna play some comp games...........

457 Gus  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 12:36:34am

re: #453 iceweasel

So freaking true. Hahaha. OMG SOCIALMALISM STATES RIGHTS OVERTURN!
C'mon. Ok, we have some HCR. That's great and we need it. It will cover some people who aren't covered. It's an important first step. We're better off with it than without it, no question.

But it is and pretty much (without a pub opt) was ALWAYS going to be a giveaway to the ins co's. There was just no way Obama et al would ever put anything through that didn't benefit them. Period.
Which is one reason why the hysterical outrage and the current "Obama hates big biz!" meme is so divorced from reality.

Look how hard it was to get that through. Could anything better have gotten through?
I don't think so. And I don't blame merely repub obstructionism, but also blue dogs, stupak, and the whole ins lobby/ dem establishment.

The insurance companies pretended to be against it all along which was rather, strange. It was really just the hospital corporations that were against it. One of the largest obstacles to HCR were the Blue Dogs and Joseph Lieberman. The latter of which I never liked. In fact I was devout Democrat until Gore picked Lieberman as his VP. I stayed home in 2000 because of that creep.

458 ClaudeMonet  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 12:37:19am

re: #443 Gus 802

People will believe that only after ingesting large amounts of Cheetos and being an idiot to being with. Typical butthurt anti-Jihadist morons that they are.

For future readers. I've been drinking.

Other than your spelling "Muslims" wrong in #446, it was impossible to tell. You type pretty well when drunk, which is unusual.

459 Gus  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 12:38:40am

re: #458 ClaudeMonet

Other than your spelling "Muslims" wrong in #446, it was impossible to tell. You type pretty well when drunk, which is unusual.

Not really drunk. Just had a 1/2 pint of whiskey and drinking a beer now.

460 Gus  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 1:00:13am

re: #455 iceweasel

Damn, you rock. :)

More in a bit. also have a page on insurance co's. BRB!

Anything on that? Careful now. You know how insurance companies are like a religion with some folks.

Tea Party!

//

461 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 1:02:34am

re: #457 Gus 802

The insurance companies pretended to be against it all along which was rather, strange. It was really just the hospital corporations that were against it. One of the largest obstacles to HCR were the Blue Dogs and Joseph Lieberman. The latter of which I never liked. In fact I was devout Democrat until Gore picked Lieberman as his VP. I stayed home in 2000 because of that creep.

You were smarter than I was then. I truthfully didn't know enough or pay enough attention to him then. I guess a lot of people do that about VP pics. You were right.
He's a total creep. I remember getting a massive attack (and not the fun kind) here for saying so too.

And it isn't that strange that the ins co's would pretend to be against HCR. In summer 2009 they couldn't know how it would shake out and some versions of HCR were more dangerous than others to them. Also it's the nature of huge corporations to be risk adverse and maximise profit anyway. Changing the status quo could only be bad for them, and in fact IS bad for them, because one of their major standbys has been fucked-- denying coverage or benefits.

Of course it will work out ok for them in the end though, that was always a given. Insurance lobbys donations to both parties were, I think? roughly equal. GOP a little ahead-- and MASSIVE donations to places like heritage foundation, all anti-reform groups. Status quo preservation.
one sec, hcr story coming up!

462 Gus  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 1:02:40am

Corporations fear citizen participation, support TeaParty, Fox and the politics of fear to make politics seem ugly and angry if you disagree about 5 hours ago via SocialOomph Retweeted by 68 people

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Roger Ebert

463 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 1:05:38am

re: #461 iceweasel

You were smarter than I was then. I truthfully didn't know enough or pay enough attention to him then. I guess a lot of people do that about VP pics. You were right.
He's a total creep. I remember getting a massive attack (and not the fun kind) here for saying so too.

lol, left out the link for 'and not the fun kind"

Youtube Video
464 Gus  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 1:14:02am

re: #461 iceweasel

You were smarter than I was then. I truthfully didn't know enough or pay enough attention to him then. I guess a lot of people do that about VP pics. You were right.
He's a total creep. I remember getting a massive attack (and not the fun kind) here for saying so too.

And it isn't that strange that the ins co's would pretend to be against HCR. In summer 2009 they couldn't know how it would shake out and some versions of HCR were more dangerous than others to them. Also it's the nature of huge corporations to be risk adverse and maximise profit anyway. Changing the status quo could only be bad for them, and in fact IS bad for them, because one of their major standbys has been fucked-- denying coverage or benefits.

Of course it will work out ok for them in the end though, that was always a given. Insurance lobbys donations to both parties were, I think? roughly equal. GOP a little ahead-- and MASSIVE donations to places like heritage foundation, all anti-reform groups. Status quo preservation.
one sec, hcr story coming up!

They play a run around of good cop bad cop while staying in place. That is, the insurance companies were playing dead and trying to make congress look bad (as the bad cop) while they were playing the good cop (or the status quo). All the while they were trying to maintain their current position in order ot maintain their current profits as a hedge. H-e-d-g-e. Which is very common with corporations. But they knew in the end that once HRC get passed they would still come out ahead if not even more. None of this came with premium restraints which means they'll still keep raising premiums to account for the newly insured and those that they previously rejected.

The prime objective of this Republic is to keep the economic elite in power and in riches. That includes hospitals, insurance companies, big pharma, etc. There's no way congress would have passed HCR without maintaining that caste system since most of congress is made up of the economic elite on both side of the aisle. There never was such thing as free ride as the right will claim. This HCR is far from a free ride and they know it. We'll all have to pay for it in the end. The best I see of this is that they can't reject you for pre-existing conditions. But just like bank reform these corporations will find a way to adjust to that and maintain their elitist lifestyle that the bourgeoise has become accustomed to.

465 Gus  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 1:18:39am

The first Beatles album had an immediate impact.

[Link: twitpic.com...]

Record burning in Texas, USA.

466 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 1:20:58am

re: #464 Gus 802

Perfect, saved. Agreed! Make a page!

This is partly for you
Insurer revoked leukemia patient’s coverage because it claimed she underpaid her premium by a penny

Primarily for all those who claimed we didnt need no stinking reform.

467 Gus  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 1:25:41am

re: #466 iceweasel

Perfect, saved. Agreed! Make a page!

This is partly for you
Insurer revoked leukemia patient’s coverage because it claimed she underpaid her premium by a penny

Primarily for all those who claimed we didnt need no stinking reform.

God bless America. You know we have the best health care in the world. She lost her insurance coverage because she failed to maintain her personal responsibility to keep track of the exact dollar amount right down to the penny in order to maintain her coverage. It was her fault because the insurance companies have little of no profits to gain from providing insurance so every penny counts in this monetarist state. Woops, I mean democracy or something or another. By God it's a penny which is money. You can't blame the good people that rejected her for a penny. I mean, she's lucky she had insurance to begin with. Just look at those people in Cuba.

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468 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 1:31:44am

[Link: www.rhrealitycheck.org...]

Being female is a pre-existing condition for the health insurance comapnies.

469 Gus  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 1:32:59am

re: #468 iceweasel

[Link: www.rhrealitycheck.org...]

Being female is a pre-existing condition for the health insurance comapnies.

The USA is a very backwards country contrary to popular belief.

470 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 1:34:43am

re: #469 Gus 802

The USA is a very backwards country contrary to popular belief.

In some areas, yes.
In others, no. We're pretty darned forward thinking when it comes to ways to let the invisible hand of the market give us the finger salute the flag.

471 Gus  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 1:35:05am

re: #469 Gus 802

The USA is a very backwards country contrary to popular belief.

Think about it. The USA only gave blacks their freedom only 46 years ago. We still have a large segment of the population that want to repeal civil rights for blacks.

472 Gus  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 1:38:05am

re: #470 iceweasel

In some areas, yes.
In others, no. We're pretty darned forward thinking when it comes to ways to let the invisible hand of the market give us the finger salute the flag.

Yep. While the wingnuts keep thinking they're part of of the corporate class because they own a Chevy or a Ford. They perceive capitalism much as they do religion. Mostly based on superstitions. Even when it works against them they accept the dogma because like dogs, that's how they were trained.

473 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 1:40:06am

re: #467 Gus 802

God bless America. You know we have the best health care in the world. She lost her insurance coverage because she failed to maintain her personal responsibility to keep track of the exact dollar amount right down to the penny in order to maintain her coverage. It was her fault because the insurance companies have little of no profits to gain from providing insurance so every penny counts in this monetarist state. Woops, I mean democracy or something or another. By God it's a penny which is money. You can't blame the good people that rejected her for a penny. I mean, she's lucky she had insurance to begin with. Just look at those people in Cuba.
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We're the richest country on earth and we do provide the best health care-- to those with the money to purchase it.
It's insane that there are people in this country without health care, that people die because they don't have it, that people suffer.
It's insane that many people will argue that 'no one in the US goes without health care' or blame the uninsured for dying younger. That's what we do though.

We're a split personality. One half is a greedy fuck consuming porn and guzzling junk food and grabbing everything, "fuck you I got mine".
The other half is Cotton Mather/jonathan Edwards/Calvin thundering at us that we're sinners and deserve nothing and you'll get nothing and like it! (Caddyshack ref)

474 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 1:43:06am

re: #472 Gus 802

Yep. While the wingnuts keep thinking they're part of of the corporate class because they own a Chevy or a Ford. They perceive capitalism much as they do religion. Mostly based on superstitions. Even when it works against them they accept the dogma because like dogs, that's how they were trained.

It's the same issue. Capitalism as religion and a Puritan notion that the poor are poor because they deserve to be. That's kind of the core of who we are, deep down. Wingnutty excesses aren't just about wingnuts as some weird aberration, but wingnutty excesses are another expression of the conflicts in america itself. Those conflicts manifest and work themselves out on the lefty side too, albeit differently.

475 Gus  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 1:43:15am

re: #473 iceweasel

We're the richest country on earth and we do provide the best health care-- to those with the money to purchase it.
It's insane that there are people in this country without health care, that people die because they don't have it, that people suffer.
It's insane that many people will argue that 'no one in the US goes without health care' or blame the uninsured for dying younger. That's what we do though.

We're a split personality. One half is a greedy fuck consuming porn and guzzling junk food and grabbing everything, "fuck you I got mine".
The other half is Cotton Mather/jonathan Edwards/Calvin thundering at us that we're sinners and deserve nothing and you'll get nothing and like it! (Caddyshack ref)

Religion is the Opium of the masses. We have a lot of Opium. That is, we also have to take into consideration that we're dealing with a massive population that believes in Santa Clause. The rest of this is easy as far as corporations manipulating the masses.

476 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 1:46:25am

re: #475 Gus 802

Religion is the Opium of the masses. We have a lot of Opium. That is, we also have to take into consideration that we're dealing with a massive population that believes in Santa Clause. The rest of this is easy as far as corporations manipulating the masses.

We also believe with the fervor of a religious convert that the business of America is business. Even the wholly secular amongst us tend to believe that.

477 Gus  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 1:46:29am

re: #474 iceweasel

It's the same issue. Capitalism as religion and a Puritan notion that the poor are poor because they deserve to be. That's kind of the core of who we are, deep down. Wingnutty excesses aren't just about wingnuts as some weird aberration, but wingnutty excesses are another expression of the conflicts in america itself. Those conflicts manifest and work themselves out on the lefty side too, albeit differently.

It's on the American left too for sure. Case in point. Look at the excesses of Hollywood which is predominantly left leaning yet highly corporatist. Also look at the success of some aspects of the recording industry, Apple computer products, etc. All of which feeds into the consumerism that leads to empty lives and unfulfilled promises. Everyone, right or left, winds up working for a consumerist based, corporate, and empty life.

478 Gus  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 1:51:41am

re: #476 iceweasel

We also believe with the fervor of a religious convert that the business of America is business. Even the wholly secular amongst us tend to believe that.

We feed them the lie that anyone can be successful. But that's not true. Not everyone that gets a degree in the fine arts can become a successful painter. Most will wind up working and struggling like most Americans to survive and maintain the lifestyle of those that demand high profits to remain rich. But of course it's not really true that the rich are the only one capable of creating work, technology, science, engineering, etc. that advances progress. In fact the opposite is true. Typically, the rich and the upper 1 percent are the most lazy and under talented people in this nation. The ingenuity comes from the working class, middle or towards the upper middle class.

479 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 1:51:50am

re: #477 Gus 802

It's on the American left too for sure. Case in point. Look at the excesses of Hollywood which is predominantly left leaning yet highly corporatist. Also look at the success of some aspects of the recording industry, Apple computer products, etc. All of which feeds into the consumerism that leads to empty lives and unfulfilled promises. Everyone, right or left, winds up working for a consumerist based, corporate, and empty life.

Yep. And also the so-called limousine liberals. I know a few of those here. Liberal sort of, socially supposedly super-lib and 'radical' (according to Rush and wingnut hysteria), but really privileged fucks who don't want to upset the status quo that privileges them and really have the same interests in continuing and perpetrating a plutocracy.

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

480 Gus  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 1:55:28am

re: #479 iceweasel

Yep. And also the so-called limousine liberals. I know a few of those here. Liberal sort of, socially supposedly super-lib and 'radical' (according to Rush and wingnut hysteria), but really privileged fucks who don't want to upset the status quo that privileges them and really have the same interests in continuing and perpetrating a plutocracy.

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

Now doesn't that sound familiar You know it's the same old story I learned time and time again. There is no hope for things to change. The status quo is to be maintained. You're either a have, or have not. What's that movie with Charlie Chaplin in the factory? That's the majority of Americans.

481 Gus  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 1:56:20am

Modern Times

Youtube Video
482 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 1:59:15am

re: #478 Gus 802

We feed them the lie that anyone can be successful. But that's not true. Not everyone that gets a degree in the fine arts can become a successful painter. Most will wind up working and struggling like most Americans to survive and maintain the lifestyle of those that demand high profits to remain rich. But of course it's not really true that the rich are the only one capable of creating work, technology, science, engineering, etc. that advances progress. In fact the opposite is true. Typically, the rich and the upper 1 percent are the most lazy and under talented people in this nation. The ingenuity comes from the working class, middle or towards the upper middle class.

Absolutely.
I was thinking about this earlier and still haven't formed my thoughts. I was thinking about the issue of race in America. Specifically, once upon a time I made a comment here about how race is somewhat different in the UK-- that is, the animosity we see in the US directed at black people and immigrants is in the UK directed at Asian people (including south asians, for whom they use the word 'black'.)
Someone accused me of claiming that the UK wasn't racist-- not at ALL. the point is that it tends to track immigration patterns.

Anyway, in the US we have this whole huge separate problem involving the legacy of slavery. But we are, truly, less racist, or differently racist, than other places. For us it really does track economic and socio-economic class. And that's the filthy, dirty secret we don't want to talk about here-- that there is such a thing as classism. It goes against this idea that anyone can be anything here, no matter their background.

That probably is true here more than anywhere else on earth, but we're horribly resistant to acknowledging that we do have classes and that they do limit people and people are discriminated against as a result of class.

483 Gus  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 2:05:36am

re: #482 iceweasel

Absolutely.
I was thinking about this earlier and still haven't formed my thoughts. I was thinking about the issue of race in America. Specifically, once upon a time I made a comment here about how race is somewhat different in the UK-- that is, the animosity we see in the US directed at black people and immigrants is in the UK directed at Asian people (including south asians, for whom they use the word 'black'.)
Someone accused me of claiming that the UK wasn't racist-- not at ALL. the point is that it tends to track immigration patterns.

Anyway, in the US we have this whole huge separate problem involving the legacy of slavery. But we are, truly, less racist, or differently racist, than other places. For us it really does track economic and socio-economic class. And that's the filthy, dirty secret we don't want to talk about here-- that there is such a thing as classism. It goes against this idea that anyone can be anything here, no matter their background.

That probably is true here more than anywhere else on earth, but we're horribly resistant to acknowledging that we do have classes and that they do limit people and people are discriminated against as a result of class.

Correct. There is not such thing as equality of freedom in this nation. Everything is based on your particular monetary class and ability to purchase freedom or justice in many cases. For many it's the ability to buy freedom by way of hiring a law firm as opposed to being assigned a public defender. Even before that, except in the worst cases, people are treated better when they come from the higher classes when faced with the judicial system. Money buys freedom and we are not all equals as advertised.

484 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 2:13:31am

re: #483 Gus 802

Correct. There is not such thing as equality of freedom in this nation. Everything is based on your particular monetary class and ability to purchase freedom or justice in many cases. For many it's the ability to buy freedom by way of hiring a law firm as opposed to being assigned a public defender. Even before that, except in the worst cases, people are treated better when they come from the higher classes when faced with the judicial system. Money buys freedom and we are not all equals as advertised.

I was just watching the modern times video and emailing you. :)

That's joe the plumber btw.

And yes, as to the above. That's just the way it is. Even pointing this out though you'll get resistance. Last week people were claiming in an AM wingnut wave thread that poor people can cash their checks no problem at any liquor store they please, and don't have bank accounts because-- I guess-- they're shiftless. Or something like that./

485 Gus  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 2:14:04am

Denis Leary

Youtube Video
486 Gus  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 2:19:13am

re: #484 iceweasel

I was just watching the modern times video and emailing you. :)

That's joe the plumber btw.

And yes, as to the above. That's just the way it is. Even pointing this out though you'll get resistance. Last week people were claiming in an AM wingnut wave thread that poor people can cash their checks no problem at any liquor store they please, and don't have bank accounts because-- I guess-- they're shiftless. Or something like that./

Ha! What a load. Being poor sucks. Being on welfare sucks Getting a welfare check when you're poor means you're still poor. Minimum wage is a joke and doesn't pay for shit. You need to buy a car that can pass inspection and then you have to get car insurance that costs and arm and a leg. Food is expensive. Rent is expensive. Health insurance doesn't even exist for you unless you are "lucky". Most people don't have their mom and dad to mooch off of. Banks won't let you open a bank account if you don't pass a credit check. You can't get an apartment if you don't pass a credit check. If you ever declared bankruptcy or have any type of lien you're treated like you have leprosy. And no, liquor stores don't cash checks.

487 Gus  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 2:20:41am

There's also no such thing as luck and miracles.

488 Gus  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 2:21:36am

Freedom is free.

489 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 2:40:43am

re: #426 Gus 802

God bless the oil companies. True Americans love oil companies. And health insurance companies. And banks. And credit card companies. And hate Muslims.

//

i don't need to be a global citizen
because i'm blessed by nationality
i'm member of a growing populace
we enforce our popularity
there are things that
seem to pull us under
and there are things
that drag us down
but there's a power
and a vital presence
thats lurking all around
we've got the american Jesus
see him on the interstate
we've got the american Jesus
he helped build the
president's estate
i feel sorry
for the earth's population
'cuz so few
live in the U.S.A.
at least the foreigners
can copy our morality
they can visit but they cannot stay
only precious few
can garner the prosperity
it makes us walk
with renewed confidence
we've got a place to go when we die
and the architect resides right here
we've got the american Jesus
overwhelming millions every day
(exercising his authority)
he's the farmers barren fields
the force the army wields
the expession in the faces
of the starving children
the power of the man
he's the fuel that drives the clan
he's the motive and conscience
of the murderer
he's the preacher on t.v.
the false sincerity
the form letter that's written
by the big computers
he's the nuclear bombs
and the kids with no moms
and i'm fearful that
he's inside me

490 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 2:42:03am

re: #488 Gus 802

Freedom is free.

incoming email! lol

Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose, baby.

491 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 2:42:58am

re: #486 Gus 802

And no, liquor stores don't cash checks.

I received a few downdings for stating that! :D

492 Gus  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 2:43:59am

re: #490 iceweasel

incoming email! lol

Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose, baby.

Reading... wow.

493 Gus  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 2:44:30am

re: #491 iceweasel

I received a few downdings for stating that! :D

Seriously? Wow, that's so... radical. Sheesh. Talk about Mayberry.

494 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 2:44:42am

re: #489 WindUpBird

[Link: www.buzzflash.com...]

lol

495 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 3:01:07am

re: #493 Gus 802

Seriously? Wow, that's so... radical. Sheesh. Talk about Mayberry.

Mayberry. Yeah.

496 Gus  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 3:01:47am

re: #491 iceweasel

I received a few downdings for stating that! :D

Sent another email back.

Anyway, a liquor store won't cash your check unless they know you. They won't cash a welfare check, period. Sounds like a stereotype to me. Something someone read at Human Events or heard from Anne Coulter.

497 Gus  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 3:04:01am

WTF

498 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 3:35:21am

re: #496 Gus 802

Sent another email back.

Anyway, a liquor store won't cash your check unless they know you. They won't cash a welfare check, period. Sounds like a stereotype to me. Something someone read at Human Events or heard from Anne Coulter.

Yep.

re: #497 Gus 802

WTF

DOUBLE yep. Answered.

499 Gus  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 3:37:00am

re: #498 iceweasel

DOUBLE yep. Answered.

Yep indeed. The WTF was about the email. Getting rather pooped here and don't feel up to reading about "what's wrong with everyone else but us" this morning if you know what I mean.

500 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 3:45:51am

re: #499 Gus 802

Yep indeed. The WTF was about the email. Getting rather pooped here and don't feel up to reading about "what's wrong with everyone else but us" this morning if you know what I mean.

Sure do. Every morning.

501 Gus  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 3:56:57am

re: #500 iceweasel

Sure do. Every morning.

Oops! Right. Off to bed I go. See you later Ice!


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