Angle Rejects Makeover

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Nevada Tea Party candidate Sharron Angle says she’s not going to have a political makeover.

Republican Sharron Angle said Saturday she won’t change her staunch conservative views to win the U.S. Senate race, although she acknowledged softening some of her rhetoric to avoid giving Sen. Harry Reid and other Democrats more sound bites to attack.

“I’m not made over,” Angle said in an interview with the Las Vegas Review-Journal. “There are people who would like to see different things come out of me, but I am who I am.”

The “staunch conservative views” Angle won’t be changing include supporting the Oathkeepers militia, promoting fluoridation conspiracy theories, denying that the founding fathers of America intended to separate church and state, advocating a total ban on abortions with no exceptions for rape or incest, calling global warming a “hoax,” advocating the elimination of the Department of Education, etc., etc., ad nauseam.

And then there’s her six-year membership in the Constitution Party, an extreme right wing Christian Reconstructionist group with links to the John Birch Society, that openly advocates for the establishment of patriarchy and “biblical law” in the United States. (Another former member of a Constitution Party spin-off, by the way: Todd Palin.) The Constitution Party is deeply involved in the Tea Party movement, through Freedom Works and other groups.

Is “staunch conservative” now a synonym for “extreme fundamentalist John Bircher fanatic?”

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Virginia Plain Mon, Jul 12, 2010 11:28:23am

Yes it is.

Lidane Mon, Jul 12, 2010 11:30:33am

Unfortunately, yes. That seems to be exactly what it means these days.

I don't have a problem with conservatism. Hell, I probably have some conservative views myself, if I stop to think about it. But these people are off the charts crazy. They're not conservatives. They're just fucking nuts.

Cathypop Mon, Jul 12, 2010 11:31:08am

I wonder what her action figure will look like?

Kragar Mon, Jul 12, 2010 11:32:20am

Smile.

Image: HarryReidHappy.JPG

What, me worry? Mon, Jul 12, 2010 11:33:26am

Didn't I read this woman was originally a Democrat? What is that all about?

Kragar Mon, Jul 12, 2010 11:35:59am

Republican Sharron Angle said Saturday she won’t change her staunch conservative views to win the U.S. Senate race

And yet her website got scrubbed of all her agenda, and she threatens to sue people who reference it. hmmm.

Targetpractice Mon, Jul 12, 2010 11:36:07am

re: #4 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Smile.

Image: HarryReidHappy.JPG

Harry's gotta be absolutely thrilled right now. The man won't even really need to campaign, he can just run ads composed entirely of the words that come out of Angle's mouth. That alone should be worth 50% of the vote.

Charles Johnson Mon, Jul 12, 2010 11:36:30am

David Swindle responded to my post about him spewing insults like a firehose, by calling me a "whore" on Twitter, and posting another deranged rant at David Horowitz's NewsReal blog (to which I won't link).

MrSilverDragon Mon, Jul 12, 2010 11:37:06am

I don't think a political makeover would do much of anything... perhaps a complete mental makeover might do something... possibly along the lines of a frontal lebotomy...

...and on that note, short day for me, y'all have a good'n!

Sol Berdinowitz Mon, Jul 12, 2010 11:37:19am

George F Will came out with an column that was apologetic, if not entirely supportive of her, does give some insight into how she got the Way She Is

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

lawhawk Mon, Jul 12, 2010 11:37:42am

re: #7 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

And it's sad because Reid has been a disaster - and even worse when it comes to the nation's energy policy. He's single handedly holding up the nation's nuclear policy. Any decent candidate would have been able to beat Reid, and yet the GOP picked a raving loon.

I can't wait to hear their excuses when she loses.

Kragar Mon, Jul 12, 2010 11:40:13am

re: #8 Charles

David Swindle responded to my post about him spewing insults like a firehose, by calling me a "whore" on Twitter, and posting another deranged rant at David Horowitz's NewsReal blog (to which I won't link).

He taking lesson from Mel Gibson?

Targetpractice Mon, Jul 12, 2010 11:40:35am

re: #11 lawhawk

And it's sad because Reid has been a disaster - and even worse when it comes to the nation's energy policy. He's single handedly holding up the nation's nuclear policy. Any decent candidate would have been able to beat Reid, and yet the GOP picked a raving loon.

I can't wait to hear their excuses when she loses.

I'd honestly like to believe that it is the GOP leadership's plan to let these Tea Party darlings crash and burn come Election Day, then tell the faithful "See? Crazy don't sell! That dog won't hunt!"

Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jul 12, 2010 11:40:46am

I'm not mad about Harry.

MandyManners Mon, Jul 12, 2010 11:40:55am

Stacy and Clinton are gonna' be sad.

Kragar Mon, Jul 12, 2010 11:40:55am

re: #11 lawhawk

And it's sad because Reid has been a disaster - and even worse when it comes to the nation's energy policy. He's single handedly holding up the nation's nuclear policy. Any decent candidate would have been able to beat Reid, and yet the GOP picked a raving loon.

I can't wait to hear their excuses when she loses.

ACORN!

Shiplord Kirel Mon, Jul 12, 2010 11:41:01am

Six more years of Harry Reid. Thanks, Nevada GOP. You would probably have been better off picking some random person off the street to run against him, but you had to go for the tantrum.

lawhawk Mon, Jul 12, 2010 11:41:12am

re: #13 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

That's wishful thinking and I don't think the party leadership is thinking that way.

darthstar Mon, Jul 12, 2010 11:42:37am

She's a gift that keeps on giving...like herpes.

Baier Mon, Jul 12, 2010 11:43:44am

re: #11 lawhawk

And it's sad because Reid has been a disaster - and even worse when it comes to the nation's energy policy. He's single handedly holding up the nation's nuclear policy. Any decent candidate would have been able to beat Reid, and yet the GOP picked a raving loon.

I can't wait to hear their excuses when she loses.

I was really excited that Reid was going to lose, but Angle isn't a conservative I can support. sigh...another lose-lose election.

Obdicut Mon, Jul 12, 2010 11:44:01am

re: #13 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Some of these lunatics are going to win their races, I think. Some very extreme figures are getting support from the GOP, as well. Hell, climate-change denial is basically a GOP plank these days-- anti-science attitudes are pretty de rigeur for GOP candidates.

Targetpractice Mon, Jul 12, 2010 11:44:14am

re: #18 lawhawk

That's wishful thinking and I don't think the party leadership is thinking that way.

I know. But at this point, it's the only way I keep from falling completely into depression over the state of politics in these United States.

Lidane Mon, Jul 12, 2010 11:44:37am

re: #13 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I'd honestly like to believe that it is the GOP leadership's plan to let these Tea Party darlings crash and burn come Election Day, then tell the faithful "See? Crazy don't sell! That dog won't hunt!"

I doubt they're that self-aware.

My guess is that when Angle loses, the conventional wisdom on the right will be that she wasn't conservative enough, or that the media misrepresented her and she lost unfairly.

wrenchwench Mon, Jul 12, 2010 11:44:48am

Has she been called Sharron "Obtuse" Angle yet?

darthstar Mon, Jul 12, 2010 11:46:17am

re: #21 Obdicut

Some of these lunatics are going to win their races, I think. Some very extreme figures are getting support from the GOP, as well. Hell, climate-change denial is basically a GOP plank these days-- anti-science attitudes are pretty de rigeur for GOP candidates.

I don't know...I'm getting hopeful, especially in light of the fact that Sarah Palin only drew about 3000 people to a fund-raising rally the other day at a venue that drew over 11,000 for Nickelback. The dew is drying off the lily...slowly.

Targetpractice Mon, Jul 12, 2010 11:47:48am

re: #23 Lidane

I doubt they're that self-aware.

My guess is that when Angle loses, the conventional wisdom on the right will be that she wasn't conservative enough, or that the media misrepresented her and she lost unfairly.

It's like I said the other day, it'll be 2006 all over again. Only this time, it'll be conservatives bitching up a storm about "stolen elections" and demands to "count the votes!" and conspiracy theories about stuffed ballot boxes and electronic voting machines showing up with votes already in the system.

Ericus58 Mon, Jul 12, 2010 11:48:52am

"Is “staunch conservative” now a synonym for “extreme fundamentalist John Bircher fanatic?”"

Yep, I'm onboard with that.

_RememberTonyC Mon, Jul 12, 2010 11:48:55am

As a right of center independent, I have been hoping that the adults on the political right would assert themselves. But that hope is becoming more and more unlikely. In November, the GOP should make enormous gains based on the poor performing economy and other issues. But while the GOP will still gain some ground in Washington, it will be far less than they are hoping for and expecting. If the party is into "self reflection," it may realize that the gains will be less than expected because of the lunacy displayed by many of their candidates. And while the hope is that they realize it and start to distance themselves from extreme elements like paul, angle, et al, it is just as likely that they'll see ANY gains as proof that this extremism is being embraced by the voters. If the former is the case, they'll present a more moderate message in 2012 and possibly retake the White House. But if it's the latter, they can look on in astonishment as President Obama is reelected in 2012.

darthstar Mon, Jul 12, 2010 11:49:19am

On the positive side for the GOP, Scott Brown continues to prove himself to be a responsible and reasonable thinker - saying he'll back the Financial Reform bill. (which is why you don't hear the Fox hounds singing his praises like they were when he won)

Jaerik Mon, Jul 12, 2010 11:50:11am

It's really disappointing, because I think there's a tremendous opportunity in American right now for a third party that is socially liberal and fiscally conservative. Unfortunately, due to pre-established narratives, the influence of Fox and Rovian election strategy etc, first-past-the-post two-party inevitability, etc, the Tea Party movement isn't it. They might be fiscally conservative, but they're nothing more than extreme Republicans in this regard, meaning they come with all the crazy conspiratorial and social conservative dominionist baggage, no matter how well they try to de-emphasize it this time around.

It saddens me, because for all their (arguably justifiable) outrage at government fiscal policy, they're all going to vote Republican. Every last one of them. Meaning that regardless of whether or not you think Obama made it worse, they're voting for the same douchebags that helped drive us into this mess anyway. If they think the result is going to be any different, they're just as naive as the liberals they like to make fun of.

darthstar Mon, Jul 12, 2010 11:50:48am

re: #26 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

It's like I said the other day, it'll be 2006 all over again. Only this time, it'll be conservatives bitching up a storm about "stolen elections" and demands to "count the votes!" and conspiracy theories about stuffed ballot boxes and electronic voting machines showing up with votes already in the system.

They'll do that in every race they lose regardless of how many they win. After all, the Norm Coleman/Al Franken recount battle made them look so good in the public eye.//

Ericus58 Mon, Jul 12, 2010 11:51:22am

re: #29 darthstar

On the positive side for the GOP, Scott Brown continues to prove himself to be a responsible and reasonable thinker - saying he'll back the Financial Reform bill. (which is why you don't hear the Fox hounds singing his praises like they were when he won)

I'm hoping Scott Brown follows along the lines of Dave Reichert.

Baier Mon, Jul 12, 2010 11:53:06am

re: #28 _RememberTonyC

As a right of center independent, I have been hoping that the adults on the political right would assert themselves. But that hope is becoming more and more unlikely. In November, the GOP should make enormous gains based on the poor performing economy and other issues. But while the GOP will still gain some ground in Washington, it will be far less than they are hoping for and expecting. If the party is into "self reflection," it may realize that the gains will be less than expected because of the lunacy displayed by many of their candidates. And while the hope is that they realize it and start to distance themselves from extreme elements like paul, angle, et al, it is just as likely that they'll see ANY gains as proof that this extremism is being embraced by the voters. If the former is the case, they'll present a more moderate message in 2012 and possibly retake the White House. But if it's the latter, they can look on in astonishment as President Obama is reelected in 2012.

I feel your pain. As a conservative, I feel the GOP is far to involved in social policy, but I am in no way a libertarian either (middle finger to you Ron Paul). I am liberal when it comes to social policy, but I think the democratic party is a fiscal train-wreck. What is funny is I find many people with the same political orientation as I have, but no parties are candidates.

Mad Prophet Ludwig Mon, Jul 12, 2010 11:55:18am

Is “staunch conservative” now a synonym for “extreme fundamentalist John Bircher fanatic?”

An interesting rhetorical question...

There was a time when conservative was supposed to mean small government, fiscal responsibility, and strong defense.

Even those halcyon days of yore, small government all too frequently meant don't look too deeply into the shenanigans of large corporations, fiscal responsibility meant don't fund social programs and strong defense was frequently confused with saber rattling and throwing our weight around.

However, there was an intellectual and well reasoned argument presented for those views as ideals. Those ideals were simply betrayed from the start. To think that McCarthy defended our liberties was Orwellian at best. We really shouldn't want the government watching us like Big Brother (but exceptions were made for that in teh bedroom, or if one held the wrong political views or practiced the wrong religion in the name of security). We really shouldn't want a giant deficit (unless it was due to military spending and corporate welfare). Freedom of religion became freedom to push Christianity. We really should want a strong and muscular foreign policy. We really do need a strong and capable military (just not to send them to corners of the world where we have no gain for their sacrifices).

After 40 years of this devolution, we are left with the Teabags. This is what you get.

The word conservative has no meaning anymore - not like it used to at least. These days it means ignorant, anti-science, anti-intellectual, religiously intolerant, hard hearted, callous, cruel, irresponsible, pig headed and vile troglodyte.

Baier Mon, Jul 12, 2010 11:55:25am

re: #30 Jaerik

It saddens me, because for all their (arguably justifiable) outrage at government fiscal policy, they're all going to vote Republican. Every last one of them. Meaning that regardless of whether or not you think Obama made it worse, they're voting for the same douchebags that helped drive us into this mess anyway. If they think the result is going to be any different, they're just as naive as the liberals they like to make fun of.

It's a choice between social and fiscal freedom and it shouldn't have to be that way.

Targetpractice Mon, Jul 12, 2010 11:56:38am

re: #29 darthstar

On the positive side for the GOP, Scott Brown continues to prove himself to be a responsible and reasonable thinker - saying he'll back the Financial Reform bill. (which is why you don't hear the Fox hounds singing his praises like they were when he won)

Yeah, I noticed his rising star became a falling one as soon as the healthcare reform debate ended and he started revealing that he's (gasp!) willing to work across the aisle to get things done.

darthstar Mon, Jul 12, 2010 11:56:51am

re: #32 Ericus58

I'm hoping Scott Brown follows along the lines of Dave Reichert.

My wife's grandfather was a Republican WA congressman for many years. We've got a great picture of him holding out a 45lb salmon to Richard Nixon as Nixon bends backward away from the fish. One of these days I'll scan it and post it.

_RememberTonyC Mon, Jul 12, 2010 11:57:15am

re: #33 Baier

I feel your pain. As a conservative, I feel the GOP is far to involved in social policy, but I am in no way a libertarian either (middle finger to you Ron Paul). I am liberal when it comes to social policy, but I think the democratic party is a fiscal train-wreck. What is funny is I find many people with the same political orientation as I have, but no parties are candidates.

Ojoe likes the modern whig party and frequently brings it up, but I don't know if a third party really has a chance in this country. I suppose folks like us need to pick and choose candidates based on individual merit and not party affiliation. Maybe the GOP needs to snatch defeat from the jaws of sure victory in order to learn its lesson. Those painful lessons are the ones we usually learn the most from.

darthstar Mon, Jul 12, 2010 11:58:25am

re: #36 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Yeah, I noticed his rising star became a falling one as soon as the healthcare reform debate ended and he started revealing that he's (gasp!) willing to work across the aisle to get things done.

"Working across the aisle" is something you're only supposed to say in order to win the election...it's a non-binding promise. Just ask John McCain.

Baier Mon, Jul 12, 2010 11:58:28am

re: #36 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Yeah, I noticed his rising star became a falling one as soon as the healthcare reform debate ended and he started revealing that he's (gasp!) willing to work across the aisle to get things done.

Funny ripping on FOX etc for ignoring Brown. I don't remember too many kind words for him here when he was running.

Jaerik Mon, Jul 12, 2010 11:58:47am

re: #35 Baier

It's a choice between social and fiscal freedom and it shouldn't have to be that way.

Exactly. Right now if you're an independent, it comes down to which you feel more strongly about, fiscal conservatism or social liberalism? If the first, you vote Republican. If the latter, you vote Democrat.

For me, because any fiscal conservative credibility the Republicans had was utterly destroyed for me over the past ~30 years, I have to concede that I have more faith in Democrats' social liberalism than Republicans' fiscal conservatism, and so I hold my nose and vote for them for now. I would love to not have to.

darthstar Mon, Jul 12, 2010 11:59:44am

re: #38 _RememberTonyC

Well...everyone wants to be a big-wig.

Targetpractice Mon, Jul 12, 2010 12:00:23pm

re: #31 darthstar

They'll do that in every race they lose regardless of how many they win. After all, the Norm Coleman/Al Franken recount battle made them look so good in the public eye.//

Shit, a year later, they're still tilting away at that windmill. Their latest "charge"? "Convicted felon votes helped put Franken over the top!"

Stop the ride, I wanna get off...

darthstar Mon, Jul 12, 2010 12:00:58pm

re: #40 Baier

Funny ripping on FOX etc for ignoring Brown. I don't remember too many kind words for him here when he was running.

Nobody's 'ripping on FOX' for ignoring Brown. We're just pointing out that they no longer lavish him with attention now that he's proven he can think for himself. They wanted a robot, they got their Palin.

_RememberTonyC Mon, Jul 12, 2010 12:03:18pm

re: #42 darthstar

Well...everyone wants to be a big-wig.

LOL .... is that Pam and Stacy on halloween night?

Lidane Mon, Jul 12, 2010 12:03:41pm

re: #38 _RememberTonyC

Ojoe likes the modern whig party and frequently brings it up, but I don't know if a third party really has a chance in this country.

They don't as long as current electoral laws favor the two-party system.

theheat Mon, Jul 12, 2010 12:04:57pm

re: #34 LudwigVanQuixote

I can't really argue the reality of today's conservative party, though I know many people who call themselves conservative, that would disagree those qualities accurately depict them as individuals. In fact, I know several conservatives that don't fit that mold at all.

Unfortunately, many of these same people will vote for today's whacked out conservatives, because they feel the Democrats are worse.

It's like a detached blindness. "I'm not like them, but I'll vote for them!"

_RememberTonyC Mon, Jul 12, 2010 12:10:00pm

re: #46 Lidane

They don't as long as current electoral laws favor the two-party system.

and the people making those laws see no reason to change, since they benefit from them.

Batman Mon, Jul 12, 2010 12:48:44pm

Wouldn't want to give your enemies any sound bites to use against you. In other words, your actual views.

HappyWarrior Mon, Jul 12, 2010 1:13:35pm

I gotta admit while I lean left even strongly so on fiscal issues that if a third party that was liberal socially but fiscally conservative i'd consider voting for it. I think social liberal-fiscal conservative voters are the future. Most of my classmates are like myself social liberals on issues like gay marriage, drugs, etc but more conservative on fiscal matters. Angle's clearly crazy. Didn't even need to continue reading since soon as I saw "oathkeepers" I was like yep she's nuts. And when she loses, the far right will blame the media or claim she wasn't right wing enough. It's just like the far leftists who blamed Kerry for not being far left enough in 2004. Shook my head their way just as I do now at the far right.

webevintage Mon, Jul 12, 2010 1:53:21pm

Crazy lady is crazy....

Amory Blaine Mon, Jul 12, 2010 1:58:17pm

She is but one of many

Øyvind Strømmen Mon, Jul 12, 2010 2:37:04pm

re: #0 Charles

Another former Constitution Party member, by the way: Todd Palin.

I thought that this was only by proxy, through the Alaskan Independence Party, an affiliate of the CP?

Charles Johnson Mon, Jul 12, 2010 2:50:06pm

re: #53 oslogin

I thought that this was only by proxy, through the Alaskan Independence Party, an affiliate of the CP?

Technically true -- there isn't much real difference, though.

Macha Mon, Jul 12, 2010 3:41:07pm

re: #38 _RememberTonyC

Ojoe likes the modern whig party and frequently brings it up, but I don't know if a third party really has a chance in this country. I suppose folks like us need to pick and choose candidates based on individual merit and not party affiliation. Maybe the GOP needs to snatch defeat from the jaws of sure victory in order to learn its lesson. Those painful lessons are the ones we usually learn the most from.

They were defeated two years ago and no lessons learned. Just more angry rhetoric, alignment with the fanatical fringe groups who at any other time would be labeled delusional, and the promotion of candidates who come from those fringes. It seems the more they loose, the further down the rabbit hole they go.

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