NAACP to Vote on Resolution Condemning Tea Party Racism

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US News • Mon Jul 12, 2010 at 4:31 pm PDT • Views: 428

The NAACP is about to vote on a resolution condemning the racist elements of the Tea Party movement, and Michelle Obama gave the keynote speech at the annual convention.

The nation’s largest and oldest civil rights organization will vote on the resolution Tuesday during its annual convention in Kansas City, Mo.

In her speech, the first lady focused on the issue of childhood obesity and her “Let’s Move” initiative, but outside of her remarks, anti-Tea Party activism has been a key focus of the gathering, which conservative leaders say is driven solely by a political agenda.

Tea Party members have used “racial epithets,” have verbally abused black members of Congress and threatened them, and protestors have engaged in “explicitly racist behavior” and “displayed signs and posters intended to degrade people of color generally and President Barack Obama specifically,” according to the proposed resolution.

It’s hard to deny this (but you know they will), when Tea Party organizers and leading speakers are often the worst offenders, and when LGF has published dozens and dozens of racist signs and comments from Tea Party demonstrations. No, not all Tea Partiers are racists. But unfortunately, there’s a sizeable undercurrent that sometimes comes right out into the open.

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1 brookly red  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 4:34:34pm

I don't really see how changes anything or matters in anyway?

2 albusteve  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 4:35:19pm

while the RNC wanders around with it'd head up it's ass

3 jamesfirecat  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 4:35:21pm

//Meh, everybody knows the NAACP is in the pocket of the liberal elite who cares what they say?

///Besides, who use still uses the phrase "colored people"?

4 allegro  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 4:36:09pm

I don't feel any less contempt for racist enablers than for the outspoken racists. Anyone who hangs with them is just as foul, which is why I don't add any disclaimer to the" tea party is racist" description, though I can understand why you still do.

5 albusteve  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 4:36:37pm

I hope they take a swipe at that wimpy, gutless Steele...talk about off the reservation of decency

6 boxhead  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 4:40:04pm

Unfortunately this will "fire up the base" and make race an even bigger part of it.

What part of growing up and being a sensible human don't the hate mongers understand. Just like the earlier thread on the sons of confederates, it is like we are going back in time...

7 Bagua  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 4:41:04pm

BP Oil Leak Endgame:

Video of the 3-Ram Cap being mounted.

They have hot-stabbed a second BOP on the leak, they can now capture 100% of the oil and gas, or shut the 3 Rams stopping the leak.

This is a major development.

8 SpaceJesus  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 4:42:54pm

re: #4 allegro

I don't feel any less contempt for racist enablers than for the outspoken racists. Anyone who hangs with them is just as foul, which is why I don't add any disclaimer to the" tea party is racist" description, though I can understand why you still do.

here here. they don't just hang out with them either. they will blatantly lie for them, and say there are no racists in the tea party movement, or that the movement does not tolerate racists when clearly they do.

9 brookly red  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 4:43:55pm

To be fair, the NAACP is not a government origination or body and have no authority... nor is the NRA, the Sierra Club, the Free Masons, PETA, La Raza etc. etc. etc. there condemnation means little in the real world. For that matter , think UN.

10 Bagua  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 4:44:24pm

BP share price is up 5% in after-hours trading.

11 Cato the Elder  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 4:44:59pm

Maybe "Mad Mel" Gibson could make a last-minute appearance there to start repenting and rehabilitating himself?

12 allegro  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 4:46:34pm

re: #11 Cato the Elder

Maybe "Mad Mel" Gibson could make a last-minute appearance there to start repenting and rehabilitating himself?

Better he should use his millions to buy and island and stay there aaalll alone, far, far away from civilization.

13 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 4:47:08pm

re: #11 Cato the Elder

Maybe "Mad Mel" Gibson could make a last-minute appearance there to start repenting and rehabilitating himself?

Rehabilitate what? I have it on good authority that he is not a racist/

14 Bagua  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 4:49:43pm

BP has rolled out their new corporate logo:

"You never get a second chance to cause $50 Billion in damage."

15 albusteve  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 4:50:04pm

re: #13 Aceofwhat?

Rehabilitate what? I have it on good authority that he is not a racist/

what's worse, is he's a friend of Whoopie Goldberg!
OUCH!

16 calochortus  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 4:50:06pm

re: #7 Bagua

Let us hope the well below the cap is in good shape and this will stop the flow until they get the permanent fix done.

17 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 4:51:45pm

Counter-productive and frankly kinda stupid in this climate.

Great, something else for the "fringe" elements to scream about and whine about reverse discrimination on. While it may actually be true they are playing into the hands of the haters by directly accusing them of it openly. Complaining about one specific instance at a time is one thing, accusing the entire movement of racism is just dumb.

18 Bagua  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 4:52:05pm

re: #16 calochortus

Let us hope the well below the cap is in good shape and this will stop the flow until they get the permanent fix done.

That is the big question. Will stopping the flow blow up the well or not?

But note that they can capture 100% of the flow now using surface vessels, and later link to undersea pipelines. They will likely do this and not risk a shut down until there is a hurricane that requires them to disconnect the ships.

19 Bagua  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 4:53:12pm
20 brookly red  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 4:53:41pm

re: #11 Cato the Elder

Maybe "Mad Mel" Gibson could make a last-minute appearance there to start repenting and rehabilitating himself?

/Mel Gibson & Malik Shabazz are recording a duet of kum bi yah and all proceeds are going to charity.

21 allegro  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 4:53:45pm

re: #17 ausador

Complaining about one specific instance at a time is one thing, accusing the entire movement of racism is just dumb.

Yeah. those uppity *** should just learn their place and STFU.

22 allegro  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 4:54:30pm

re: #21 allegro

OOps, forgot ///

23 albusteve  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 4:55:03pm

re: #17 ausador

Counter-productive and frankly kinda stupid in this climate.

Great, something else for the "fringe" elements to scream about and whine about reverse discrimination on. While it may actually be true they are playing into the hands of the haters by directly accusing them of it openly. Complaining about one specific instance at a time is one thing, accusing the entire movement of racism is just dumb.


too bad...it seems then entire movement, whatever that is, condones it

24 Bagua  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 4:55:33pm

Cam now showing the top of the 3-Ram cap, with all the flow going up a long riser until the vents.

Now they can start capturing the flow to the vessels on the surface. No one of them can handle the whole flow from this gusher.

25 palomino  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 4:56:51pm

re: #17 ausador

Counter-productive and frankly kinda stupid in this climate.

Great, something else for the "fringe" elements to scream about and whine about reverse discrimination on. While it may actually be true they are playing into the hands of the haters by directly accusing them of it openly. Complaining about one specific instance at a time is one thing, accusing the entire movement of racism is just dumb.

They aren't "accusing the entire movement of racism." Rather they are denouncing the fact that very few in the movement are willing to acknowledge the racism in their midst or do anything to stop it.

26 brookly red  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 4:56:57pm

re: #17 ausador

well we are in the era of post racial politics after all...

27 Bagua  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 4:57:03pm

It could all go balls up now if the hydrates clog the riser and blow up the riser.

28 HoosierHoops  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 4:57:06pm

re: #24 Bagua

Cam now showing the top of the 3-Ram cap, with all the flow going up a long riser until the vents.

Now they can start capturing the flow to the vessels on the surface. No one of them can handle the whole flow from this gusher.

It is amazing video

29 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 4:57:10pm

re: #17 ausador

Counter-productive and frankly kinda stupid in this climate.

Great, something else for the "fringe" elements to scream about and whine about reverse discrimination on. While it may actually be true they are playing into the hands of the haters by directly accusing them of it openly. Complaining about one specific instance at a time is one thing, accusing the entire movement of racism is just dumb.

That's the NAACP for you. The only reason they didn't change to African American is that then they would be NAAA!!!

30 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 4:57:18pm

re: #24 Bagua

Cam now showing the top of the 3-Ram cap, with all the flow going up a long riser until the vents.

Now they can start capturing the flow to the vessels on the surface. No one of them can handle the whole flow from this gusher.

You're pretty fascinated by this whole thing, it seems like.
Anyhoo - appreciate your efforts.

31 Racer X  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 4:57:39pm

re: #19 Bagua

The moment of mating.

I was pretty sure the image was going to be of something else.

32 Bagua  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 4:58:28pm

re: #30 reine.de.tout

You're pretty fascinated by this whole thing, it seems like.
Anyhoo - appreciate your efforts.

Sorry if I'm boring some folks who have to scroll over my posts.

33 albusteve  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 4:58:58pm

re: #25 palomino

They aren't "accusing the entire movement of racism." Rather they are denouncing the fact that very few in the movement are willing to acknowledge the racism in their midst or do anything to stop it.

can you post the resolution?...few here have probably read it

34 Racer X  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 4:59:22pm

Ya know, some of them Tea Party types are racist.
- NAACP

You Lie!
- Tea Party

35 Bagua  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 5:00:02pm

Plumes coming from above the lower vent holes, they could suck in water from the venturi effect and clog the riser.

36 Cato the Elder  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 5:00:46pm

re: #15 albusteve

what's worse, is he's a friend of Whoopie Goldberg!
OUCH!

Well, if Whoopi says it's OK, that obviously squares things with the rest of the black people in America...

37 HoosierHoops  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 5:01:05pm

re: #32 Bagua

Sorry if I'm boring some folks who have to scroll over my posts.

Forget them.. No Human in all of History has ever seen us control Robots like this in order to save us..The Video is amazing

38 calochortus  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 5:01:09pm

re: #32 Bagua

You're not boring-and thank you as well Reine. You have provided much valuable information. My husband was in oil exploration years ago so this has been dinner table conversation for us (along the line of "What were they thinking...?")

39 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 5:01:14pm

re: #25 palomino

They aren't "accusing the entire movement of racism." Rather they are denouncing the fact that very few in the movement are willing to acknowledge the racism in their midst or do anything to stop it.

Kinda tried to make that point in my post.

40 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 5:02:14pm

re: #1 brookly red

I don't really see how changes anything or matters in anyway?

It doesn't really change things but it does draw attention to it. The Tea Partiers are too involved that they can't see it but it does create a political and social liability the longer they refuse to deal with the problem.

41 albusteve  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 5:03:26pm

re: #40 Killgore Trout

It doesn't really change things but it does draw attention to it. The Tea Partiers are too involved that they can't see it but it does create a political and social liability the longer they refuse to deal with the problem.

it opens the door for more scrutiny...it's a good thing

42 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 5:04:06pm

re: #17 ausador


Complaining about one specific instance at a time is one thing, accusing the entire movement of racism is just dumb.


There have been enough incidents that it's becoming a very clear pattern. Would you say the same thing if they topic was antisemitism and Muslim events?

43 brookly red  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 5:04:53pm

re: #40 Killgore Trout

It doesn't really change things but it does draw attention to it. The Tea Partiers are too involved that they can't see it but it does create a political and social liability the longer they refuse to deal with the problem.

and I would say the same for the New Black Panther Party... so now what? do we take sides or move on?

44 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 5:05:20pm

re: #43 brookly red

and I would say the same for the New Black Panther Party... so now what? do we take sides or move on?

booga booga!

45 albusteve  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 5:05:27pm

re: #36 Cato the Elder

Well, if Whoopi says it's OK, that obviously squares things with the rest of the black people in America...

especially black women, I'm sure they are all comfortable with Mel now that the Whoopster has spoken

46 wrenchwench  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 5:06:05pm

re: #43 brookly red

and I would say the same for the New Black Panther Party... so now what? do we take sides or move on?

Oh yeah, because the New Black Panther Party is a nationwide movement that has candidates running in several states, and... what?

47 Cato the Elder  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 5:06:30pm

So, what some of you are saying is that the NAACP should decorously decline to comment on the notable upsurge in racism on the right, because to call attention to it is to invite more of the same and maybe make the racists cranky.

Is that it?

48 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 5:06:37pm

re: #45 albusteve

especially black women, I'm sure they are all comfortable with Mel now that the Whoopster has spoken

This is the Whoopi that said what Roman Polanski did wasn't "rape rape".

49 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 5:07:11pm

re: #43 brookly red

and I would say the same for the New Black Panther Party... so now what? do we take sides or move on?

I'm in agreement with the Black Panthers. They are vile but that doesn't change the DoJ's decision on prosecution. Go ahead and highlight the racist rhetoric from the black panthers all day long and I won't complain but there's no government conspiracy to protect them. That's just stupid.

50 albusteve  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 5:07:36pm

re: #48 rwdflynavy

This is the Whoopi that said what Roman Polanski did wasn't "rape rape".

she is stupid stupid

51 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 5:07:48pm

re: #46 wrenchwench

Oh yeah, because the New Black Panther Party is a nationwide movement that has candidates running in several states, and... what?

Good point.

52 jamesfirecat  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 5:07:49pm

re: #17 ausador

Counter-productive and frankly kinda stupid in this climate.

Great, something else for the "fringe" elements to scream about and whine about reverse discrimination on. While it may actually be true they are playing into the hands of the haters by directly accusing them of it openly. Complaining about one specific instance at a time is one thing, accusing the entire movement of racism is just dumb.

I don't want to live in a nation where it's playing into the hands of racists to directly confront them in public with the fact that they are racists.

53 palomino  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 5:08:01pm

re: #33 albusteve

can you post the resolution?...few here have probably read it

Can't find the full text, but here's a more detailed description. Link...

54 albusteve  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 5:08:30pm

re: #53 palomino

Can't find the full text, but here's a more detailed description. Link...

thanks

55 brookly red  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 5:09:29pm

re: #49 Killgore Trout

I'm in agreement with the Black Panthers. They are vile but that doesn't change the DoJ's decision on prosecution. Go ahead and highlight the racist rhetoric from the black panthers all day long and I won't complain but there's no government conspiracy to protect them. That's just stupid.

and then there is no tea party conspiracy either. you can't have it both ways.

56 Ghost of Insanity  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 5:10:24pm

re: #29 rwdflynavy

re: #17 ausador

Counter-productive and frankly kinda stupid in this climate.

Great, something else for the "fringe" elements to scream about and whine about reverse discrimination on. While it may actually be true they are playing into the hands of the haters by directly accusing them of it openly. Complaining about one specific instance at a time is one thing, accusing the entire movement of racism is just dumb.

That's the NAACP for you. The only reason they didn't change to African American is that then they would be NAAA!!!

The information given in post#17 was inaccurate.

57 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 5:10:41pm

re: #46 wrenchwench

Oh yeah, because the New Black Panther Party is a nationwide movement that has candidates running in several states, and... what?

The New Black Panther Party is the definition of a fringe group. They're loving all the attention they're getting from the right wing, too.

58 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 5:11:12pm

re: #55 brookly red

and then there is no tea party conspiracy either. you can't have it both ways.

Does not compute.

59 jamesfirecat  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 5:11:33pm

re: #55 brookly red

and then there is no tea party conspiracy either. you can't have it both ways.

Who needs a tea party conspiracy? Can't we just say that some of their members are racist s***s and leave it at that?

60 palomino  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 5:12:46pm

re: #43 brookly red

and I would say the same for the New Black Panther Party... so now what? do we take sides or move on?

The NBPP is a joke, and discussion of it is nothing more than a dittohead talking point.

Besides the two guys at a polling station back in 2008, what have they done of any note? How do they threaten to impact the midterms or one of our two major parties? Your attempt at equivalency is desperate.

61 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 5:13:23pm

No conspiracies here. The John Birch Society, the Constitution Party, and the swivel-eyed Paulians have perpetrated this takeover right out in the open.

62 Racer X  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 5:13:45pm

Any right side of the aisle group talking about race, the civil war, sekrit muslim or birth certificates = major FAIL.

63 Ghost of Insanity  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 5:14:47pm

re: #40 Killgore Trout

It doesn't really change things but it does draw attention to it. The Tea Partiers are too involved that they can't see it but it does create a political and social liability the longer they refuse to deal with the problem.

Drawing attention to it will help change things.

64 albusteve  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 5:14:47pm

re: #49 Killgore Trout

I'm in agreement with the Black Panthers. They are vile but that doesn't change the DoJ's decision on prosecution. Go ahead and highlight the racist rhetoric from the black panthers all day long and I won't complain but there's no government conspiracy to protect them. That's just stupid.

who knows?...the Watergate coverup was so astounding people would not believe it, until subpoenas started flying...anything is possible

65 palomino  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 5:16:02pm

re: #39 Charles

Kinda tried to make that point in my post.

I guess you and I are just racists because we don't realize that Beck, Limbaugh, et al are right: that the "real" racists today are minorities and that whites are now the victims.///

66 Bagua  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 5:17:00pm

Bagua screen cap of the riser perforations that are now venting the oil and gas above the new 3-Ram Cap.

67 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 5:17:10pm

re: #60 palomino

The NBPP is a joke, and discussion of it is nothing more than a dittohead talking point.

Besides the two guys at a polling station back in 2008, what have they done of any note? How do they threaten to impact the midterms or one of our two major parties? Your attempt at equivalency is desperate.

It is text book race baiting by Fox, Breitbart, Beck, Rush and whoever else was talking today about the New Black Panthers. Be afraid America, be very afraid.

68 jamesfirecat  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 5:17:46pm

re: #64 albusteve

who knows?...the Watergate coverup was so astounding people would not believe it, until subpoenas started flying...anything is possible

So in other words we need to believe that they're up to something evil and majorly important, because it can't be 100% proven that they aren't?

69 brookly red  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 5:19:09pm

re: #60 palomino

The NBPP is a joke, and discussion of it is nothing more than a dittohead talking point.

Besides the two guys at a polling station back in 2008, what have they done of any note? How do they threaten to impact the midterms or one of our two major parties? Your attempt at equivalency is desperate.

OK I hear you loud and clear, I won't bother perusing this...

70 albusteve  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 5:20:19pm

re: #68 jamesfirecat

So in other words we need to believe that they're up to something evil and majorly important, because it can't be 100% proven that they aren't?

not at all...believe whatever you want, this is America after all

71 Ghost of Insanity  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 5:23:18pm

re: #43 brookly red

and I would say the same for the New Black Panther Party... so now what? do we take sides or move on?

Changes to racist attitudes still has a long way to go. Ignoring acts of unfounded bigotry because we've made progress and society as a whole treats minorities and women better than 40 years ago is an invitation to turn back the clock to the days when bigotry was not only acceptable but expected.

Despite their violent past, the Black Panthers did have a hand in the improvement in African American's quality of life seen since the '60s.

The only side to take is against bigotry.

72 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 5:25:46pm

was the vote on the resolution expected to be a cliffhanger? I love suspense.

73 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 5:26:07pm

re: #32 Bagua

Sorry if I'm boring some folks who have to scroll over my posts.

That's what the scroll is for!

74 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 5:27:23pm

re: #38 calochortus

You're not boring-and thank you as well Reine. You have provided much valuable information. My husband was in oil exploration years ago so this has been dinner table conversation for us (along the line of "What were they thinking...?")

Heh. That's sort of what our conversations have been, here at home.

75 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 5:27:57pm

re: #39 Charles

Kinda tried to make that point in my post.

And in all of your coverage of this stuff.

76 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 5:28:11pm

Wow, cool. I just discovered there's an English-subtitled film version of The Girl With the Dragon Tattoo, by Swedish writer Stieg Larsson. Downloading from iTunes now.

Amazon has it in their Video on Demand section too.

77 albusteve  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 5:28:35pm

re: #72 _RememberTonyC

was the vote on the resolution expected to be a cliffhanger? I love suspense.

I'm not sure how anyone could vote against it, depending on the actual verbage...it's a huge indictment of people like Steele and newt, who will run for president...they are pinned

78 calochortus  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 5:29:55pm

re: #74 reine.de.tout

Actually, I believe I know what they were thinking-We're way behind schedule on this well. How can we speed things up? What's the worst that could happen?

79 Ghost of Insanity  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 5:29:56pm

re: #48 rwdflynavy

This is the Whoopi that said what Roman Polanski did wasn't "rape rape".

What did she mean by that?

80 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 5:30:14pm

re: #66 Bagua

Bagua screen cap of the riser perforations that are now venting the oil and gas above the new 3-Ram Cap.

I'm loving the coverage. Keep 'em coming as far as I can say.

81 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 5:30:27pm

Michelle Obama is getting involved...
Michelle Obama Rouses NAACP Before Vote Condemning 'Racist' Elements of Tea Party


First Lady Michelle Obama brought renewed energy to the NAACP today, delivering the keynote speech at the annual convention one day before the nation's largest civil rights group is expected to condemn what it calls racist elements in the Tea Party movement.
...
In her speech, the first lady focused on the issue of childhood obesity and her "Let's Move" initiative, but outside of her remarks, anti-Tea Party activism has been a key focus of the gathering, which conservative leaders say is driven solely by a political agenda.
82 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 5:31:17pm

re: #78 calochortus

Actually, I believe I know what they were thinking-We're way behind schedule on this well. How can we speed things up? What's the worst that could happen?

And now we know what the worst is. Well, actually - if they had been paying attention, they could have predicted this, there were many warning signs in the days leading up to it.
ugh.

83 Bagua  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 5:31:34pm

re: #80 Rightwingconspirator

I'm loving the coverage. Keep 'em coming as far as I can say.

They just added pressure to the bottom ram. Showed the gauge.

84 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 5:32:00pm

re: #81 Killgore Trout

Michelle Obama is getting involved...
Michelle Obama Rouses NAACP Before Vote Condemning 'Racist' Elements of Tea Party

She should get involved.

She's been the target of some of the most disgusting right wing racist smears, a lot of them originating at supposedly "mainstream" sites like Hot Air.

85 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 5:32:04pm

re: #1 brookly red

I don't really see how changes anything or matters in anyway?

hahahaha first comment pushback!

86 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 5:32:49pm

re: #84 Charles

She should get involved.

She's been the target of some of the most disgusting right wing smears, a lot of them originating at supposedly "mainstream" sites like Hot Air.

And she's managed to stay cool, calm and collected.

87 Ghost of Insanity  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 5:33:26pm

re: #55 brookly red

and then there is no tea party conspiracy either. you can't have it both ways.

Are you saying that because there is no government conspiracy then other conspiracies, such as the TPs can't exist either?

The government/Black Panther issue is separate from the TP issue.

88 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 5:33:28pm

re: #81 Killgore Trout

Michelle Obama is getting involved...
Michelle Obama Rouses NAACP Before Vote Condemning 'Racist' Elements of Tea Party

The drudge headline says:
MICHELLE TELLS BLACKS TO 'INCREASE INTENSITY'

I don't see that quote there.

89 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 5:33:40pm

re: #79 b_sharp

What did she mean by that?

That Roman didn't really rape the 13 year old girl because it wasn't "rape rape". You'd have to ask her what she meant.

90 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 5:33:48pm

re: #43 brookly red

and I would say the same for the New Black Panther Party... so now what? do we take sides or move on?

we can condemn them...like...all 8 of them. and then we can spend most of our time highlighting the more influential and better-represented bigots like RSM, the SCV, etc.

proportional response seems like the best approach, doesn't it?

91 albusteve  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 5:33:50pm

re: #86 reine.de.tout

And she's managed to stay cool, calm and collected.

so would I if I was wearing $900 sneakers...
jus kidding

92 Gus  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 5:34:04pm

re: #88 Killgore Trout

The drudge headline says:
MICHELLE TELLS BLACKS TO 'INCREASE INTENSITY'

I don't see that quote there.

Nope. You won't find it. I covered that here. ;)

93 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 5:34:04pm

re: #76 Charles

the book was excellent...

94 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 5:34:49pm

re: #91 albusteve

so would I if I was wearing $900 sneakers...
jus kidding

I'm not worried about MIchelle's sneakers.
It was all those homeless people lining up for a meal while taking photos with their cell phones I wonder about.

95 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 5:35:04pm

re: #17 ausador

Counter-productive and frankly kinda stupid in this climate.

Great, something else for the "fringe" elements to scream about and whine about reverse discrimination on. While it may actually be true they are playing into the hands of the haters by directly accusing them of it openly. Complaining about one specific instance at a time is one thing, accusing the entire movement of racism is just dumb.

They are enabling and condoning outright racism. Across the board. it's not dumb, it's actually the truth.

96 albusteve  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 5:35:06pm

re: #89 rwdflynavy

That Roman didn't really rape the 13 year old girl because it wasn't "rape rape". You'd have to ask her what she meant.

he said she consented...duh?
Whoopie is a moron

97 Sheepdogess  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 5:35:13pm

Ahhh...Racism.

Yes indeedy.

Did you know Mel Gibson is a racist? It's all over the news today.

There are incidents that I forget, like the time my sister-in-law insulted my cooking twelve years ago. My auntie had to remind me just the other day. And then there are the incidents that I will never forget, like the video of a room of black law students at a black university, not sure which one it was, cheering and celebrating at the reading of the not guilty verdict of an obviously guilty OJ Simpson. It was chilling.

It all makes sense now.

98 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 5:35:18pm

re: #84 Charles

She should get involved.

She's been the target of some of the most disgusting right wing racist smears, a lot of them originating at supposedly "mainstream" sites like Hot Air.

She certainly has the right and maybe even the obligation to speak out. I think it's only going to drive the wingnuts further over the cliff. Maybe it's a smart political move. The Wingnut reaction to Michelle Obama getting involved is going to be very ugly.

99 Learned Mother of Zion  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 5:35:32pm

re: #89 rwdflynavy

That Roman didn't really rape the 13 year old girl because it wasn't "rape rape". You'd have to ask her what she meant.

She'd say something like, "Roman couldn't commit 'rape' rape because he's like a celebrity and all the 'cool' 'hip' 'in' people dig him..."

100 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 5:35:40pm

re: #88 Killgore Trout

Now that is a class act. The First lady Michelle Obama "Turn up the intensity"
Rep. Maxine Waters "No Justice No Peace"

Contemplate the qualitative difference.

101 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 5:35:52pm

re: #77 albusteve

I'm not sure how anyone could vote against it, depending on the actual verbage...it's a huge indictment of people like Steele and newt, who will run for president...they are pinned


I'm sure it will be unanimous. in fact, they may count a couple of dead people's votes from Chi-town to pad the total :)

102 jamesfirecat  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 5:36:14pm

re: #94 reine.de.tout

I'm not worried about MIchelle's sneakers.
It was all those homeless people lining up for a meal while taking photos with their cell phones I wonder about.

Hey how else is a homeless person going to get a call back about a job they're trying to land so that they can get the money they need to find some place to live? (Not at all sarcastic)

103 albusteve  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 5:36:25pm

re: #94 reine.de.tout

I'm not worried about MIchelle's sneakers.
It was all those homeless people lining up for a meal while taking photos with their cell phones I wonder about.

her Commie Carrot Garden is disturbing...what a world eh?

104 freetoken  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 5:36:28pm

Checked on the FoxNews online entry about this story - the comments didn't surprise at all. Full time white-grievance theatre. Certainly Fox, Drudge, et. al. know their audience.

105 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 5:36:35pm

re: #92 Gus 802

Nope. You won't find it. I covered that here. ;)

Nice catch. That'll teach me to pay better attention to the LGF pages.

106 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 5:36:46pm

re: #43 brookly red

and I would say the same for the New Black Panther Party... so now what? do we take sides or move on?

Man, it just so happens that whenever there's ever a post on LGF that deals with race, you're always pushing back

Just an observation

107 Cato the Elder  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 5:37:17pm

re: #76 Charles

Wow, cool. I just discovered there's an English-subtitled film version of The Girl With the Dragon Tattoo, by Swedish writer Stieg Larsson. Downloading from iTunes now.

Amazon has it in their Video on Demand section too.

It's also already available on Netflix Instant, Charles!

I'm saving it for a day when I won't mind all the Swedish angst...

108 Bagua  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 5:37:45pm

Inspection of the riser above the 3-Ram Cap showing holes venting gas and oil, and lower holes not venting.

Another Baguachannel exclusive.

109 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 5:37:47pm

re: #103 albusteve

her Commie Carrot Garden is disturbing...what a world eh?

I wonder what my carrot garden is?

Actually - the sneakers she wore in the garden photos were $40 converse sneakers in PURPLE, I have the same shoes.

110 Gus  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 5:37:53pm

re: #105 Killgore Trout

Nice catch. That'll teach me to pay better attention to the LGF pages.

Yeah. Her comments on race are towards the end of her speech and at the bottom of my link. I included a link to her speech which is hosted at the White House website.

111 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 5:38:10pm

re: #94 reine.de.tout

Ha! Maybe you saw the scandal in California? California uses debit cards for recipients. They did an audit and found millions had been spent gambling. Another facet of the report was the millions spent at bars and strip clubs.

112 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 5:38:21pm

re: #97 Sheepdogess

Ahhh...Racism.

Yes indeedy.

Did you know Mel Gibson is a racist? It's all over the news today.

There are incidents that I forget, like the time my sister-in-law insulted my cooking twelve years ago. My auntie had to remind me just the other day. And then there are the incidents that I will never forget, like the video of a room of black law students at a black university, not sure which one it was, cheering and celebrating at the reading of the not guilty verdict of an obviously guilty OJ Simpson. It was chilling.

It all makes sense now.


More pushback

Why my stars, I saw a black man and he was not behaving in a matter befitting his station! Fan my brow and fetch me my houseboy, I declare I need another appletini

113 webevintage  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 5:39:05pm

re: #109 reine.de.tout

I wonder what my carrot garden is?

Actually - the sneakers she wore in the garden photos were $40 converse sneakers in PURPLE, I have the same shoes.

and really the fact that she wore purple converse makes her all kinds of awesome...and you too.

114 erraticsphinx  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 5:39:09pm

re: #104 freetoken

When you've alienated nearly every minority, sexual or racial, you gotta go after the frothing at the mouth base.

115 Bagua  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 5:39:40pm

Huffingtonpost says:

Oil Spill Stopped

They jumped the gun. It is flowing higher.

116 albusteve  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 5:40:04pm

re: #109 reine.de.tout

I wonder what my carrot garden is?

Actually - the sneakers she wore in the garden photos were $40 converse sneakers in PURPLE, I have the same shoes.

purple!...arrggg!
as for your carrots...don't ask, don't tell...they all taste the same anyway

117 Millicent Islam  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 5:40:37pm

re: #104 freetoken

Checked on the FoxNews online entry about this story - the comments didn't surprise at all. Full time white-grievance theatre. Certainly Fox, Drudge, et. al. know their audience.

Brilliant. We need to memorialise that phrase and create some snark ones. MASTERpiece theatre 24/7.

118 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 5:40:47pm

re: #113 webevintage

and really the fact that she wore purple converse makes her all kinds of awesome...and you too.

I also have the Grateful Dead tie-dye converse sneakers.
And a pair that my daughter designed. Love 'em.

119 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 5:41:57pm

re: #102 jamesfirecat

Hey how else is a homeless person going to get a call back about a job they're trying to land so that they can get the money they need to find some place to live? (Not at all sarcastic)

What? They don't wear barrels around their midsections and carry bindles like hobos? They don't ride the rails and cook mulligan stew?

THEN THEY'RE NOT REALLY HOMELESS

Shades of Reagan's phantom bullshit wellfare queens. Man these memes die hard.

120 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 5:42:14pm

re: #111 Rightwingconspirator

Ha! Maybe you saw the scandal in California? California uses debit cards for recipients. They did an audit and found millions had been spent gambling. Another facet of the report was the millions spent at bars and strip clubs.

Those cards should be set so that they can only be used at the grocery store or places where they are supposed to be used. Surely that could be done?

121 albusteve  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 5:42:58pm

re: #118 reine.de.tout

I also have the Grateful Dead tie-dye converse sneakers.
And a pair that my daughter designed. Love 'em.

the Stones have their new sneaks out for this year...$4,735.99

122 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 5:43:48pm

re: #113 webevintage

and really the fact that she wore purple converse makes her all kinds of awesome...and you too.

I don't know if this link will work, but these are the ones my daughter designed.
I love 'em.

123 albusteve  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 5:44:13pm

re: #119 WindUpBird

What? They don't wear barrels around their midsections and carry bindles like hobos? They don't ride the rails and cook mulligan stew?

THEN THEY'RE NOT REALLY HOMELESS

Shades of Reagan's phantom bullshit wellfare queens. Man these memes die hard.

"you have not suffered sufficiently...come back in 6 months"

124 webevintage  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 5:44:27pm

It amazes me how pissed off people get at Michelle Obama...

and homeless folks with cells phones*.

and a veggie garden at the White House.

*since the phones were more then likely given to them by people who help the homeless as it gives them a way to be reachable for a job (and lets not forget that people with jobs also go to soup kitchens/homeless shelters because they may not actually have a home) or they can use them for 911.

125 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 5:45:03pm

re: #102 jamesfirecat

Hey how else is a homeless person going to get a call back about a job they're trying to land so that they can get the money they need to find some place to live? (Not at all sarcastic)

There are indeed some cell phone plans that are plenty reasonably priced; I don't really have an issue with it, I just threw it out there, probably shouldn't have.

126 webevintage  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 5:45:25pm

re: #122 reine.de.tout

I don't know if this link will work, but these are the ones my daughter designed.
I love 'em.

Those are awesome!

127 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 5:45:32pm

re: #124 webevintage

It amazes me how pissed off people get at Michelle Obama...

and homeless folks with cells phones*.

and a veggie garden at the White House.

*since the phones were more then likely given to them by people who help the homeless as it gives them a way to be reachable for a job (and lets not forget that people with jobs also go to soup kitchens/homeless shelters because they may not actually have a home) or they can use them for 911.

And i've given my old cell phones to those programs, so I know what you're talking about.

128 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 5:45:33pm

i think the end is near for fidel castro ...

[Link: www.reuters.com...]

the old cuban butcher is making an appearance on TV for the first time in years. maybe we'll hear a last roar out of the cuban dictator.

129 Millicent Islam  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 5:45:34pm
130 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 5:45:58pm

re: #120 reine.de.tout

Those cards should be set so that they can only be used at the grocery store or places where they are supposed to be used. Surely that could be done?

Not sure. I think the 3rd party ATM's would present an issue. I would guess the rules allow for penalties or disqualification from benefits. Give fair warning and act accordingly. The burden should be on the recipients not the state.

Oh boy sounded pretty conservative that time. *looks to his left ready to duck*

131 ArchangelMichael  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 5:46:09pm

re: #117 iceweasel

Brilliant. We need to memorialise that phrase and create some snark ones. MASTERpiece theatre 24/7.

Oh hai ice...

We will add it to the list behind the "good, decent, and wholesome" line.

I'm going to that Comic-Con party this year too. I'll look to see if Mancow comes back for more.

132 Nimed  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 5:46:19pm

re: #94 reine.de.tout

I'm not worried about MIchelle's sneakers.
It was all those homeless people lining up for a meal while taking photos with their cell phones I wonder about.

Yes, that made for a great nontroversy at the time.
[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

"Having a phone isn't even a privilege anymore -- it's a necessity," said Rommel McBride, 50, who spent about six years on the streets before recently being placed in a city housing program. He has had a mobile phone for a year. "A cellphone is the only way you can call to keep up with your food stamps, your housing application, your job. When you're living in a shelter or sleeping on the streets, it's your last line of communication with the world."

133 webevintage  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 5:46:46pm

re: #120 reine.de.tout

Those cards should be set so that they can only be used at the grocery store or places where they are supposed to be used. Surely that could be done?

I agree.
Instead of getting all shocked maybe it would have been better to just say "we have a problem, let's fix this" and move on.

134 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 5:47:14pm

For anyone's information, I can hook myself up with a cell phone for the price of a pair of pants. A friend of mine just gets these disposable crappy cell-phones, pre-pays them, easy, cheap. Go on ebay. See how cheap these things are.

The notion that anyone with a cell-phone isn't really poor or homeless is as foolish as the notion that anyone with pants and underwear isn't really poor and homeless.

creepy blaming the poor memes. They suck.

135 Ghost of Insanity  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 5:47:49pm

re: #89 rwdflynavy

That Roman didn't really rape the 13 year old girl because it wasn't "rape rape". You'd have to ask her what she meant.

I wonder if she is excluding statutory rape from purely violent rape?

Throughout history, girls were married and pregnant at extremely young ages, even younger than 13. She may have been looking at it from that angle, but if so, she totally ignored current moral sensibilities, which I might add, are backed by health issues. She made an ignorant appeal to what is called the naturalistic fallacy and acted stupidly.

136 Millicent Islam  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 5:48:07pm

re: #131 ArchangelMichael

Oh hai ice...

We will add it to the list behind the "good, decent, and wholesome" line.

I'm going to that Comic-Con party this year too. I'll look to see if Mancow comes back for more.

Hey AM! great to see you! How's it going?

I'm excited for you going to ComicCon, whether or not you get to see Mancow. Though that phrase and that video you gave us will be forever enshrined in my heart. ;)

137 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 5:48:34pm

re: #134 WindUpBird

For anyone's information, I can hook myself up with a cell phone for the price of a pair of pants. A friend of mine just gets these disposable crappy cell-phones, pre-pays them, easy, cheap. Go on ebay. See how cheap these things are.

The notion that anyone with a cell-phone isn't really poor or homeless is as foolish as the notion that anyone with pants and underwear isn't really poor and homeless.

creepy blaming the poor memes. They suck.


I took it back! Before you even said anything!
It was a stupid thing to say!
I'm sorry, sorry, sorry.

I've given my old cell phones to programs that make them available to people.
I know they need them. I have supported the effort to get phones to them.
sheesh, get off it.

re: #125 reine.de.tout

There are indeed some cell phone plans that are plenty reasonably priced; I don't really have an issue with it, I just threw it out there, probably shouldn't have.

138 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 5:48:37pm

re: #134 WindUpBird

The notion that anyone with a cell-phone isn't really poor or homeless is as foolish as the notion that anyone with pants and underwear isn't really poor and homeless.

creepy blaming the poor memes. They suck.

who is blaming the poor? am i missing something?

139 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 5:49:00pm

re: #138 Aceofwhat?

who is blaming the poor? am i missing something?

It's an assumption.
I should have known it was coming.

140 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 5:49:03pm

re: #102 jamesfirecat

Hey how else is a homeless person going to get a call back about a job they're trying to land so that they can get the money they need to find some place to live? (Not at all sarcastic)

I would think much as they did before the pay per minute services were available. Pay phones, friends, help at "one stop" job centers... etc.

141 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 5:49:36pm

re: #135 b_sharp

I wonder if she is excluding statutory rape from purely violent rape?

Throughout history, girls were married and pregnant at extremely young ages, even younger than 13. She may have been looking at it from that angle, but if so, she totally ignored current moral sensibilities, which I might add, are backed by health issues. She made an ignorant appeal to what is called the naturalistic fallacy and acted stupidly.

well, and wasn't the girl drugged, too? i'd call that "rape rape"...

142 webevintage  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 5:50:02pm

re: #48 rwdflynavy

This is the Whoopi that said what Roman Polanski did wasn't "rape rape".

Ugh.
That forever changed my opinion of her.
He drugged and raped a 13 year old.
Drugged and raped.
I'm disgusted that he is now walking around free.

143 albusteve  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 5:50:10pm

re: #135 b_sharp

I wonder if she is excluding statutory rape from purely violent rape?

Throughout history, girls were married and pregnant at extremely young ages, even younger than 13. She may have been looking at it from that angle, but if so, she totally ignored current moral sensibilities, which I might add, are backed by health issues. She made an ignorant appeal to what is called the naturalistic fallacy and acted stupidly.

yes, and that little speed bump called the 'law'

144 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 5:51:02pm

re: #139 reine.de.tout

It's an assumption.
I should have known it was coming.

offhand comments quickly retracted ≠ "creepy memes". call me pedantic/

145 Gus  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 5:51:16pm

re: #129 iceweasel

BREAKING DRUDGE REPORT: MICHELLE OBAMA HATES INEQUITIES, WHITE PEOPLE!11!

Shameless page promotion here.

But please check out the serious page Gus802 just did on this, which I also linked twice in there.

Here's something I just found from Twitter:

MICHELLE 0 TELLS BLACKS TO 'INCREASE INTENSITY' Is Michelle inciting a race riot? Isn't that a Crime, a job for the injustice dept. about 1 hour ago via web Retweeted by 3 people
warpsix

More will follow that's for sure. This will become tonight's outrageous outrage and I've seen several already. They have to do something, Drudge planted the seed as he always does with these hair brains.

146 albusteve  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 5:51:31pm

re: #139 reine.de.tout

It's an assumption.
I should have known it was coming.

NO ASSUMPTIONS ALLOWED AT LGF!

147 webevintage  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 5:52:23pm

re: #139 reine.de.tout

It's an assumption.
I should have known it was coming.

I thought you were being snarky about folks who hate Michelle and got all upset over the "homeless with cell phone" faux controversy. I think you are cool...

148 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 5:52:56pm

re: #144 Aceofwhat?

offhand comments quickly retracted ≠ "creepy memes". call me pedantic/

I agree.
It was intended as a light-hearted response to a snarky "jus' kiddin'" comment, and I should just have kept my mouth shut.

149 ArchangelMichael  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 5:52:57pm

re: #146 albusteve

NO ASSUMPTIONS ALLOWED AT LGF!

If you make an assumption you look like an ass and the ump will shun you?

150 Millicent Islam  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 5:53:04pm

re: #145 Gus 802

More will follow that's for sure. This will become tonight's outrageous outrage and I've seen several already. They have to do something, Drudge planted the seed as he always does with these hair brains.

Drudge rules their world. With an assist from rageaholic and racist Brietbart.

Screw them and their apologists and fans.

151 webevintage  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 5:53:11pm

re: #129 iceweasel

BREAKING DRUDGE REPORT: MICHELLE OBAMA HATES INEQUITIES, WHITE PEOPLE!11!


Meh.
I hate a lot of white people too.

152 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 5:53:38pm

re: #147 webevintage

I thought you were being snarky about folks who hate Michelle and got all upset over the "homeless with cell phone" faux controversy. I think you are cool...

Yes, thank you!
That's exactly along the lines of what I was trying to do.
But some folks . . .

153 jamesfirecat  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 5:53:40pm

re: #148 reine.de.tout

I agree.
It was intended as a light-hearted response to a snarky "jus' kiddin'" comment, and I should just have kept my mouth shut.

Poe's law strikes when you least expect it.

154 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 5:54:02pm

re: #139 reine.de.tout

It's an assumption.
I should have known it was coming.

Hang on. You are a parent. Any parent that has dealt with teenage offspring cell phone bills will quite likely fail to associate "cell phone" with "cheap".

155 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 5:54:41pm

re: #154 Rightwingconspirator

Hang on. You are a parent. Any parent that has dealt with teenage offspring cell phone bills will quite likely fail to associate "cell phone" with "cheap".

*snicker*
It's my own cell phone bill I have problems with.
It's as much as hers is.

156 prairiefire  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 5:55:03pm

Husband is looking at the real estate listings for the Breckinridge area. Note~ the homes are still expensive. Still need about a cool million for a vacation home out here.

157 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 5:55:10pm

re: #148 reine.de.tout

I agree.
It was intended as a light-hearted response to a snarky "jus' kiddin'" comment, and I should just have kept my mouth shut.

bah. where's the fun in that? if i haven't put my foot in my mouth at least three times per night, i've let my fellow lizards down;)

158 Millicent Islam  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 5:55:29pm

Breitbart ReVeaLed

I keep forgetting to link that.

159 Bagua  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 5:55:42pm

re: #157 Aceofwhat?

bah. where's the fun in that? if i haven't put my foot in my mouth at least three times per night, i've let my fellow lizards down;)

3 times !!?!!11

160 Ghost of Insanity  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 5:55:42pm

re: #94 reine.de.tout

I'm not worried about MIchelle's sneakers.
It was all those homeless people lining up for a meal while taking photos with their cell phones I wonder about.

Cell phones are donated all the time. Not all people who need the occasional free meal are homeless. People can use their cell phones for music and photos even if they have no minutes. Some of them buy minutes as they can, just as they buy food as they can.

Don't assume that because it appears they can afford cell phones, simply because they have them, they don't need free meals.

161 austin_blue  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 5:55:43pm

re: #7 Bagua

BP Oil Leak Endgame:

Video of the 3-Ram Cap being mounted.


[Video]

They have hot-stabbed a second BOP on the leak, they can now capture 100% of the oil and gas, or shut the 3 Rams stopping the leak.

This is a major development.

Let us hope so! I wonder how much damage and washout the casing and existing BOP assembly has taken from sand scouring for 80 days. It would be the ultimate in irony if they closed thew new BOP assembly and the old one ruptured sideways from the pressure.

I know, I know. Gloomy Gus (but not 802).

162 webevintage  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 5:56:02pm

re: #154 Rightwingconspirator

Hang on. You are a parent. Any parent that has dealt with teenage offspring cell phone bills will quite likely fail to associate "cell phone" with "cheap".

Except for me.
My son hates cell phones, hates the texting, hates that his friends pay so much attention to the texts they are getting. It really, really gets on his nerves.
He uses his cell phone as a watch and to call and say "why are you late?" when I'm picking him up from work.

163 Gus  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 5:56:36pm

re: #150 iceweasel

Drudge rules their world. With an assist from rageaholic and racist Brietbart.

Screw them and their apologists and fans.

Yep. All they'll see is "Michelle Obama tells blacks to increase intensity!!11ty" and stop. If they even bother to click on the link and go to the ABC News report they won't find much of anything regarding her speech. You have to either a) watch the speech in its entirety or b) read the speech at the White House website. Then they'll see that it's mostly about diet, health for children with closing comments on race. Otherwise, the Drudgenuts will only read "da first lady told teh black people to get intense! Iz dat teh calling for teh race riots?" Run for the suburbs!

164 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 5:56:50pm

re: #159 Bagua

3 times !!?!!11

I'm like the Air Force. I aim high/

165 webevintage  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 5:56:50pm

re: #160 b_sharp


Don't assume that because it appears they can afford cell phones, simply because they have them, they don't need free meals.

see #152

166 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 5:56:54pm

re: #160 b_sharp

Cell phones are donated all the time. Not all people who need the occasional free meal are homeless. People can use their cell phones for music and photos even if they have no minutes. Some of them buy minutes as they can, just as they buy food as they can.

Don't assume that because it appears they can afford cell phones, simply because they have them, they don't need free meals.

Yes I've donated many of my old ones.

167 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 5:57:30pm

re: #165 webevintage

see #152

This is gonna follow me around the rest of the night, I'm afraid.
Time for me to take a break, prolly.
BBL.

168 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 5:57:37pm

re: #162 webevintage

Except for me.
My son hates cell phones, hates the texting, hates that his friends pay so much attention to the texts they are getting. It really, really gets on his nerves.
He uses his cell phone as a watch and to call and say "why are you late?" when I'm picking him up from work.

Good for him, he has an excellent point.

169 Bagua  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 5:57:53pm

re: #161 austin_blue

Let us hope so! I wonder how much damage and washout the casing and existing BOP assembly has taken from sand scouring for 80 days. It would be the ultimate in irony if they closed thew new BOP assembly and the old one ruptured sideways from the pressure.

I know, I know. Gloomy Gus (but not 802).

Yep, I've been saying that right along. If they close this off we could have a rupture of the BOP or downhole, and no way to contain.

If I'm not mistaken, if they fracture the bore hole formation, then even the relief well bottom kill could be impossible.

170 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 5:57:55pm

re: #160 b_sharp

Cell phones are donated all the time. Not all people who need the occasional free meal are homeless. People can use their cell phones for music and photos even if they have no minutes. Some of them buy minutes as they can, just as they buy food as they can.

Don't assume that because it appears they can afford cell phones, simply because they have them, they don't need free meals.

ketchup.

171 Ghost of Insanity  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 5:58:00pm

re: #97 Sheepdogess

Ahhh...Racism.

Yes indeedy.

Did you know Mel Gibson is a racist? It's all over the news today.

There are incidents that I forget, like the time my sister-in-law insulted my cooking twelve years ago. My auntie had to remind me just the other day. And then there are the incidents that I will never forget, like the video of a room of black law students at a black university, not sure which one it was, cheering and celebrating at the reading of the not guilty verdict of an obviously guilty OJ Simpson. It was chilling.

It all makes sense now.

Are you suggesting that racism does not exist, or there is no way of identifying racism objectively, or are you simply admitting you have trouble identifying racism?

172 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 5:58:08pm

re: #168 Rightwingconspirator

About his friends! Not you being late. :)

173 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 5:58:10pm

re: #137 reine.de.tout

I'm not even mad at you, don't worry :) You just triggered my NOT THIS AGAIN reaction. I'm more mad at the ideas that are floating around that gather steam and keep orbiting and keep coming back. Stuff that pops up in the media, the current climate of senators blaming out of work people for their own station. I've known a LOT of homeless people, many of my friends have at one time or another been homeless for many different reasons that were out of their control (kicked out of parents' house for being gay, screwed over by roommates, etc) sand friend sof mine work with the mentally ill population of Portland, who are either in their respite home system or homeless. And so I get especially defensive of the homeless.

174 Bagua  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 5:58:26pm

re: #167 reine.de.tout

This is gonna follow me around the rest of the night, I'm afraid.
Time for me to take a break, prolly.
BBL.

reine.de.tout is innocent!

175 Ghost of Insanity  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 5:59:00pm

re: #98 Killgore Trout

She certainly has the right and maybe even the obligation to speak out. I think it's only going to drive the wingnuts further over the cliff. Maybe it's a smart political move. The Wingnut reaction to Michelle Obama getting involved is going to be very ugly.

It will flush the rats from the barn. Then it becomes like shooting fish in a barrel.

176 albusteve  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 5:59:01pm

re: #167 reine.de.tout

This is gonna follow me around the rest of the night, I'm afraid.
Time for me to take a break, prolly.
BBL.

don't let them run you off!...
anybody with any brains understood the first time

177 prairiefire  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 5:59:09pm

re: #142 webevintage

Ugh.
That forever changed my opinion of her.
He drugged and raped a 13 year old.
Drugged and raped.
I'm disgusted that he is now walking around free.

A lot of crap and bad behavior was glossed over in the "70's as "part of the culture." It was still crap and bad behavior.

178 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 5:59:27pm

re: #171 b_sharp

Are you suggesting that racism does not exist, or there is no way of identifying racism objectively, or are you simply admitting you have trouble identifying racism?

Sheepdoggess is wingnut psycho class of 2004. *shrug* Shows up from time to time, gets downdinged a dozen times, disappears, comes back next month.

179 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:00:04pm

re: #176 albusteve

don't let them run you off!...
anybody with any brains understood the first time

I don't want to run her off!

180 albusteve  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:00:26pm

re: #170 Aceofwhat?

ketchup.

heh...mus terd?

181 albusteve  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:01:13pm

re: #179 WindUpBird

I don't want to run her off!

I know...
FREE THE REINE!

182 Gus  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:01:32pm

re: #158 iceweasel

Breitbart ReVeaLed

I keep forgetting to link that.

It's teh Andrew Dimbart in his teh Smurf Snugglie™.

/

183 Bagua  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:01:38pm

re: #179 WindUpBird

I don't want to run her off!

But you'd love to dance with her at a fancy dress party wearing your bird outfit.

184 Ghost of Insanity  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:01:57pm

re: #99 Alouette

She'd say something like, "Roman couldn't commit 'rape' rape because he's like a celebrity and all the 'cool' 'hip' 'in' people dig him..."

OK, I'm not a fan of exempting Polanski because of history, but your statement is just a little too over the top.

185 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:01:58pm

re: #177 prairiefire

A lot of crap and bad behavior was glossed over in the "70's as "part of the culture." It was still crap and bad behavior.

quite true. although one could insert "unbuttoned polyester paisley shirts" or "unfortunate mustaches" in lieu of "crap and bad behavior" and your sentence would remain true/

186 Nimed  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:02:54pm

re: #152 reine.de.tout

Yes, thank you!
That's exactly along the lines of what I was trying to do.
But some folks . . .

Sorry I misread your comment.

187 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:03:20pm

re: #144 Aceofwhat?

offhand comments quickly retracted ≠ "creepy memes". call me pedantic/

You don't think the meme is real? You've never heard X conservative talker host doing the blame-the-homeless get-a-job you-have-a-piece-of-technology-therefore0you're-not-poor-and-are-scamming-the-system schtick?

I'm really not beating up on Reine.

(I APOLOGIZE TO YOU REINE, it's a big issue of mine, i came on too strong)

I AM beating up on the meme, the meme is real. Reagan busted out the meme in the 80's, it's never gone away. Senators are busting out the meme right now on unemployment benefits. . Charles has posted about it, IIRC! Orrin hatch saying that everyone on unemployment should be drug tested, etc.

188 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:03:55pm

re: #183 Bagua

But you'd love to dance with her at a fancy dress party wearing your bird outfit.

That does have a certain appeal to it, yes :D

189 albusteve  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:03:58pm

re: #184 b_sharp

OK, I'm not a fan of exempting Polanski because of history, but your statement is just a little too over the top.

seems about right to me...google it

190 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:04:07pm

re: #184 b_sharp

OK, I'm not a fan of exempting Polanski because of history, but your statement is just a little too over the top.

really? we can go over the top in condemning the drugging and raping of a little girl?

...i guess we could, if we really put our minds to it. i don't think we're anywhere close, though.

191 Bagua  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:04:08pm

re: #161 austin_blue

I did 4 pages of videos, pics and commentary on the latest developments.

Scroll down for Part 1 - Part IV

192 Nimed  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:05:07pm

re: #176 albusteve

don't let them run you off!...
anybody with any brains understood the first time

Oh, don't you start with that.

193 Bagua  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:05:31pm

re: #188 WindUpBird

That does have a certain appeal to it, yes :D

Bagua's sekret psycical mind reading™ is uncannily accurate sometimes.

194 albusteve  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:06:02pm

re: #192 Nimed

Oh, don't you start with that.

I'm not a starter, I'm a finisher!
WOOF!

195 webevintage  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:06:12pm

re: #191 Bagua

I did 4 pages of videos, pics and commentary on the latest developments.

Scroll down for Part 1 - Part IV

so what next?

196 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:06:25pm

re: #187 WindUpBird

i didn't say that you emitted a string of sodden falsehoods. i just said "offhand comment retracted quickly ≠ creepy meme". Because it's true.

(come on, dude, i put it in an equation. it's SCIENCE;)

197 albusteve  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:06:53pm

re: #191 Bagua

I did 4 pages of videos, pics and commentary on the latest developments.

Scroll down for Part 1 - Part IV

thanks bro...you and Reine have done super duty

198 BryanS  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:07:24pm

re: #190 Aceofwhat?

really? we can go over the top in condemning the drugging and raping of a little girl?

...i guess we could, if we really put our minds to it. i don't think we're anywhere close, though.

Agreed. I think the characterization of the attitudes of some in Hollywood is spot on and deserved. "It wasn't rape-rape" was an obscene thing to say and deserves ridicule ans scorn.

199 Bagua  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:08:30pm

re: #195 webevintage

so what next?

I'll probably have a shower and then some supper. Maybe a few beers. What do you have in mind?

200 erraticsphinx  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:08:48pm

re: #187 WindUpBird

Reagan was a not-too-bright coward, whose deep-throating of the bigoted fundamentalists is now coming home to roost for the GOP . His beating up on the poor via perceived stereotypes was yet another symptom of his primary personality trait, cowardice.

That being said, I don't think Reine meant anything "anti-poor", I got it the first time.
It's a little annoying how people don't read through and just keep beating up on her.

201 Ghost of Insanity  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:08:58pm

re: #141 Aceofwhat?

well, and wasn't the girl drugged, too? i'd call that "rape rape"...

So would I. I would also call statutory rape, rape. I was just trying to understand her point and justification without seeing exactly what she said.

202 Nimed  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:09:13pm

re: #196 Aceofwhat?

i didn't say that you emitted a string of sodden falsehoods. i just said "offhand comment retracted quickly ≠ creepy meme". Because it's true.

(come on, dude, i put it in an equation. it's SCIENCE;)

Well, I don't mean to be persnickety, but it's an inequation. :p

203 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:10:47pm

re: #202 Nimed

Well, I don't mean to be persnickety, but it's an inequation. :p

It is anchorMAN, not anchorlady! And that is a scientific fact!

204 albusteve  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:11:19pm

re: #201 b_sharp

So would I. I would also call statutory rape, rape. I was just trying to understand her point and justification without seeing exactly what she said.


e

assume Whoopie is a foolish, stupid Hollywood celebrity and proceed from there...pretty simple

205 Ghost of Insanity  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:11:34pm

re: #143 albusteve

yes, and that little speed bump called the 'law'

The law is a result of current moral values. Moral values precede creation of laws. Nu?

206 Millicent Islam  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:12:08pm

re: #187 WindUpBird

You don't think the meme is real? You've never heard X conservative talker host doing the blame-the-homeless get-a-job you-have-a-piece-of-technology-therefore0you're-no t-poor-and-are-scamming-the-system schtick?

I'm really not beating up on Reine.

(I APOLOGIZE TO YOU REINE, it's a big issue of mine, i came on too strong)

I AM beating up on the meme, the meme is real. Reagan busted out the meme in the 80's, it's never gone away. Senators are busting out the meme right now on unemployment benefits. . Charles has posted about it, IIRC! Orrin hatch saying that everyone on unemployment should be drug tested, etc.

I didn't read it as beating up on reine, but beating up on that meme.
Sometimes people take it as a personal attack when you do that though. It's happened to me. I don't know why that is. Probably just being passionate about the issue combined with the other person feeling sensitive, etc.

207 albusteve  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:12:39pm

re: #205 b_sharp

The law is a result of current moral values. Moral values precede creation of laws. Nu?

who knows?...rape is illegal, that's all that counts

208 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:13:01pm

Orrin Hatch is verys erious about unemployment: [Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

Jim Bunning is very serious about unemployment: [Link: www.cnn.com...]

Sharron Angle is very serious about unemployment and also huffing oven cleaner: [Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

Jon Kyl is very serious on unemployment: [Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

Lotta bad mojo out there. :( If anyone wants to know why I am easily fired up about this stuff, just click above.

209 BryanS  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:13:41pm

re: #200 erraticsphinx

Reagan was a not-too-bright coward, whose deep-throating of the bigoted fundamentalists is now coming home to roost for the GOP . His beating up on the poor via perceived stereotypes was yet another symptom of his primary personality trait, cowardice.

That being said, I don't think Reine meant anything "anti-poor", I got it the first time.
It's a little annoying how people don't read through and just keep beating up on her.

Still the ridicule and claim that Reagan was "not-to-bright" after all this time? He was quite intelligent, and a very capable writer. Yes, he was an actor, but as president, his speech's lines were more often his own than his speech writer's.

210 Bagua  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:14:12pm

re: #195 webevintage

so what next?

Seriously though.

211 Ghost of Insanity  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:14:52pm

re: #148 reine.de.tout

I agree.
It was intended as a light-hearted response to a snarky "jus' kiddin'" comment, and I should just have kept my mouth shut.

No, you don't have to keep your mouth shut, in fact I would prefer you didn't. But you have to know that some of us on the left will read into a comment like that a biased cynicism that begs a pointed retort.

Just 'splain your comment and everything will be cool.

212 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:15:19pm

re: #206 iceweasel

Sometimes people take it as a personal attack when you do that though.

Or, sometimes people weren't a good example of that 'meme' in the first place and (understandably) don't want to be associated with it.

213 HoosierHoops  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:15:52pm

re: #200 erraticsphinx

Somebody is beating up on Reine? Guess I need to backtrack...
Since the first day I began Blogging years ago after watching the Sundance movie Blog War 2.. I have meet thousands upon Thousands of Bloggers...
Reine is in my top 5 of all time...

214 Bagua  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:16:04pm

re: #210 Bagua

Seriously though.

Here is the project management timeline with contingency planning.

They will do 6-48 hours of pressure testing next, and then well management.

215 albusteve  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:17:13pm

re: #211 b_sharp

No, you don't have to keep your mouth shut, in fact I would prefer you didn't. But you have to know that some of us on the left will read into a comment like that a biased cynicism that begs a pointed retort.

Just 'splain your comment and everything will be cool.

she did...she owes you nothing more

216 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:17:27pm

re: #206 iceweasel

I didn't read it as beating up on reine, but beating up on that meme.
Sometimes people take it as a personal attack when you do that though. It's happened to me. I don't know why that is. Probably just being passionate about the issue combined with the other person feeling sensitive, etc.

I'm happy to admit I came on too strong and that Reine had right to be offended.

But that meme, I will still do battle with it. Thanks, "Great Communicator." Thanks a bunch for that bit of victimizing, sensationalist diarrhea.

217 Millicent Islam  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:17:32pm

re: #212 Aceofwhat?

Or, sometimes people weren't a good example of that 'meme' in the first place and (understandably) don't want to be associated with it.

It's not about the person, it's about the meme. It's not even about claiming that the person intended to spread the meme, either. It looked to me like people were very clear about that.
It's about discussing ideas. That's what we do here, lots of the time.

218 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:17:36pm

re: #209 BryanS

Still the ridicule and claim that Reagan was "not-to-bright" after all this time? He was quite intelligent, and a very capable writer. Yes, he was an actor, but as president, his speech's lines were more often his own than his speech writer's.

i liked the "deep-throating" imagery myself. i was just thinking that we could all do with a few crude, teenage insights poorly dressed up as political musings...and then voila...on cue/

219 Ghost of Insanity  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:17:54pm

re: #165 webevintage

see #152

Hey, don't pick on me, I'm running as fast as I can and losing ground in this thread even faster.

220 Bagua  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:17:58pm

I'll be blogging the next steps of course. After the intermission.

221 Millicent Islam  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:18:10pm

re: #216 WindUpBird

I'm happy to admit I came on too strong and that Reine had right to be offended.

But that meme, I will still do battle with it. Thanks, "Great Communicator." Thanks a bunch for that bit of victimizing, sensationalist diarrhea.

Yeah, exactly.

222 Ghost of Insanity  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:19:06pm

re: #170 Aceofwhat?

ketchup.

I'm trying. I'm trying.

I'm conversing with the wife, watching Supernatural and talking to you guys.

223 Nimed  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:19:08pm

re: #209 BryanS

Still the ridicule and claim that Reagan was "not-to-bright" after all this time? He was quite intelligent, and a very capable writer. Yes, he was an actor, but as president, his speech's lines were more often his own than his speech writer's.

So actors are usually stupid? Bigot.
/

224 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:19:49pm

re: #213 HoosierHoops

Somebody is beating up on Reine? Guess I need to backtrack...
Since the first day I began Blogging years ago after watching the Sundance movie Blog War 2.. I have meet thousands upon Thousands of Bloggers...
Reine is in my top 5 of all time...

WUB has been cleared of all charges, and as soon as i finish explaining that i was really just trying to pat him down and that nothing was meant by it, he'll be free to go///

225 Ghost of Insanity  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:20:07pm

re: #176 albusteve

don't let them run you off!...
anybody with any brains understood the first time

I left my brains in my other pants.

226 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:20:17pm

re: #224 Aceofwhat?

WUB has been cleared of all charges, and as soon as i finish explaining that i was really just trying to pat him down and that nothing was meant by it, he'll be free to go///

I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT DIMEBAG GOT IN THERE

227 palomino  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:20:23pm

re: #69 brookly red

OK I hear you loud and clear, I won't bother perusing this...

Hey, if you've got the goods on the NBPP, let it fly.

But it sounds to me like you and Rush and Breitbart are still fighting 1960's battles, long after your imagined adversary is gone.

228 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:20:43pm

re: #216 WindUpBird

I'm happy to admit I came on too strong and that Reine had right to be offended.

But that meme, I will still do battle with it. Thanks, "Great Communicator." Thanks a bunch for that bit of victimizing, sensationalist diarrhea.

Man, that's one of the most depressing wiki's I've read in awhile. Thanks Bird. :)

229 albusteve  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:20:48pm

re: #224 Aceofwhat?

WUB has been cleared of all charges, and as soon as i finish explaining that i was really just trying to pat him down and that nothing was meant by it, he'll be free to go///

hey...nice watch, a top of the line Timex!

230 Bagua  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:21:05pm

re: #226 WindUpBird

I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT DIMEBAG GOT IN THERE

That's what they all say. Now smile for the mugshot.

231 Millicent Islam  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:21:06pm

re: #226 WindUpBird

I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT DIMEBAG GOT IN THERE

THESE AREN'T EVEN MY PANTS

232 webevintage  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:21:13pm

re: #199 Bagua

I'll probably have a shower and then some supper. Maybe a few beers. What do you have in mind?

;-)

I made a Lemon Blueberry Coffee Cake thingee today because the blueberries are perfect...to bad you do not live close since you deserve a slice for all the work you've done.

233 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:21:53pm

re: #231 iceweasel

THESE AREN'T EVEN MY PANTS

Whose pants ARE they?

*waves*

234 austin_blue  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:22:07pm

re: #169 Bagua

Yep, I've been saying that right along. If they close this off we could have a rupture of the BOP or downhole, and no way to contain.

If I'm not mistaken, if they fracture the bore hole formation, then even the relief well bottom kill could be impossible.

Maybe not impossible, but a lot harder. The thing is, they have no idea where the production string is. If it is still at total depth, their job is much easier because the will only have to fill the interstitial space between the liner, the producing zone, and up into the casing a ways to do the bottom kill. If the production string has been forced up into the previously set, intact casing assembly, the volume of kill cement needed will be much much higher and harder to set. My bet is that they will make an attempt at the bottom kill first and if that works, they will reintroduce a pipe string down into the existing casing set and tremie the rest of the open hole from bottom to top and the close the shear rams in the new BOP set. IOW, Plug & abandon the existing well. Then they take the *second* relief well and offset it from the now dead original borehole and complete it into the same production zone, using a bottom to top full-length production casing (which would have kept this, in all probability, from happening in the first place.)

235 erraticsphinx  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:22:14pm

re: #218 Aceofwhat?

I think it's an apt description of what Reagan did. I was going to use "pleasuring", maybe "making love to", maybe I should have used those instead.

re: #209 BryanS

Um, yeah, disagree to say the least. He was great at communicating...his bigotry and cowardice. And then passing the buck. But we can disagree on that.

236 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:22:18pm

Semi-OT, but at a war gaming site I frequent a thread came up due to neo-confederates, so I quoted Alouette's Ban-Hammer post. One of the neo's whined about my "prog" reasoning & posting of "selective quotes" from a "leftist blog". LOL

I swear they must have a Bat Light that use when these threads come up - but projecting that ol' stars & bars on the clouds instead of a bat :D

237 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:22:24pm

re: #228 Stanley Sea

Man, that's one of the most depressing wiki's I've read in awhile. Thanks Bird. :)

Yuh. :P From the year I was born!

here, here's a more uplifing wiki :D

238 Bagua  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:22:27pm

re: #232 webevintage

;-)

I made a Lemon Blueberry Coffee Cake thingee today because the blueberries are perfect...to bad you do not live close since you deserve a slice for all the work you've done.

Wow, I love Lemon Blueberry Coffee Cake. One of my favourites. I'll settle for an upding and the recipe for the next cookbook.

239 HoosierHoops  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:22:32pm

re: #233 Floral Giraffe

Whose pants ARE they?

*waves*

*Waves*
Hope today finds you well

240 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:22:33pm

re: #231 iceweasel

THESE AREN'T EVEN MY PANTS

Lindsay Lohan said that, right? I believe she did.

241 albusteve  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:22:53pm

re: #233 Floral Giraffe

Whose pants ARE they?

*waves*

Elvis's?

242 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:23:42pm

re: #217 iceweasel

It's not about the person, it's about the meme. It's not even about claiming that the person intended to spread the meme, either. It looked to me like people were very clear about that.
It's about discussing ideas. That's what we do here, lots of the time.

Note Bene. When you reply to someone with "not this meme again", they will rightfully believe that they have been understood as supporting said meme, and we can understand if they wish to plead to the contrary.

It was a tiny misunderstanding, and now we're all having fun with it. As we should. WUB did not say anything out of line, and has more than apologized IMHO.

243 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:23:47pm

re: #239 HoosierHoops

*Waves*
Hope today finds you well

Sorry to hear about your beer situation.
You working on a contingency plan?

244 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:23:50pm

re: #236 wlewisiii

Semi-OT, but at a war gaming site I frequent a thread came up due to neo-confederates, so I quoted Alouette's Ban-Hammer post. One of the neo's whined about my "prog" reasoning & posting of "selective quotes" from a "leftist blog". LOL

I swear they must have a Bat Light that use when these threads come up - but projecting that ol' stars & bars on the clouds instead of a bat :D

oh noo, are you on Wargamer? :D

245 Gus  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:24:04pm

re: #226 WindUpBird

I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT DIMEBAG GOT IN THERE

Officer, I have no idea how that marijuana got into my Hefty bag. Someone must have put their hand in my pocket. Removed the Hefty bag and filled it with marijuana and put it back in my pocket. Same thing happened to my father once.

/

246 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:24:11pm

re: #226 WindUpBird

I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT DIMEBAG GOT IN THERE

i'm sure we can work something out...

247 Millicent Islam  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:24:26pm

re: #233 Floral Giraffe

Whose pants ARE they?

*waves*

Hey cutie! How are you??

Hoops, hope you're well too!

248 austin_blue  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:24:51pm

re: #213 HoosierHoops

Somebody is beating up on Reine? Guess I need to backtrack...
Since the first day I began Blogging years ago after watching the Sundance movie Blog War 2.. I have meet thousands upon Thousands of Bloggers...
Reine is in my top 5 of all time...

Mine too!

249 Ghost of Insanity  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:24:55pm

re: #190 Aceofwhat?

really? we can go over the top in condemning the drugging and raping of a little girl?

...i guess we could, if we really put our minds to it. i don't think we're anywhere close, though.

The going over the top isn't about Polanski raping a kid, it was about Goldberg's justification for her comment. I find it hard to believe she would claim Polanski is innocent because he's a celeb.

Ace, read the post I answered.

250 albusteve  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:24:58pm

re: #246 Aceofwhat?

i'm sure we can work something out...

in Jamaica?

251 webevintage  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:24:59pm

re: #238 Bagua

Wow, I love Lemon Blueberry Coffee Cake. One of my favourites. I'll settle for an upding and the recipe for the next cookbook.

Well I used this recipe but made it in an 8X8 pan instead of a loaf pan...it is very, very yummy:

[Link: www.epicurious.com...]

252 cliffster  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:25:16pm

I just baked a loaf of bread. It smells awesome. This one was in the breadmaker, but it still looks and smells awesome. I promised my little girl we'd cut into it tomorrow morning, but I don't know if I can hold up my end of the bargain. We may be cutting into the other side tomorrow morning..

253 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:25:36pm

re: #222 b_sharp

I'm trying. I'm trying.

I'm conversing with the wife, watching Supernatural and talking to you guys.

DUDE who watches the WB channel, it's not manly/

i watch supernatural sometimes with my wife too

254 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:25:53pm

re: #244 WindUpBird

Nah, board game geek's wargame forum. I'll have to check out wargamer though :D Do you do board games, push lead, or computer ones?

255 HoosierHoops  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:26:55pm

re: #243 Floral Giraffe

Sorry to hear about your beer situation.
You working on a contingency plan?

*wink*
Hoping to do a Black Ops with Tom Cruise this Summer.
./ Hi you!

256 erraticsphinx  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:27:20pm

re: #246 Aceofwhat?

There was an episode of Cops where the kid claimed he just found the bag of marijuana on the floor where he worked, and he had no idea what it was.

The cop called his friend from work, who he found the bag with, and his story actually checked out.

They took the marijuana to destroy it, and the kid got off free. I cried.

257 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:27:28pm

re: #235 erraticsphinx

I think it's an apt description of what Reagan did. I was going to use "pleasuring", maybe "making love to", maybe I should have used those instead.

alllrighty then.

258 Millicent Islam  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:27:51pm

re: #245 Gus 802

Officer, I have no idea how that marijuana got into my Hefty bag. Someone must have put their hand in my pocket. Removed the Hefty bag and filled it with marijuana and put it back in my pocket. Same thing happened to my father once.

/

/only it was a human head!

(jack handy joke)

259 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:28:00pm

re: #254 wlewisiii

Nah, board game geek's wargame forum. I'll have to check out wargamer though :D Do you do board games, push lead, or computer ones?

Board games = sometimes! Princes of Florence is one of my favorites ATM
Minis = almost never
computer games = I develop art assets for them on a contract basis and used to play them a lot more than I do now :D

I have a few friends on BGG! I have an account there but I never use it. Are you in the RSP forum?

260 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:28:35pm

re: #259 WindUpBird

Reiner Knizia rules

261 albusteve  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:28:37pm

re: #252 cliffster

I just baked a loaf of bread. It smells awesome. This one was in the breadmaker, but it still looks and smells awesome. I promised my little girl we'd cut into it tomorrow morning, but I don't know if I can hold up my end of the bargain. We may be cutting into the other side tomorrow morning..

that's just cruel dude...it's BREAD!...hot out of the oven with butter?...mmm, a real delicacy from my boyhood

262 erraticsphinx  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:29:00pm

re: #258 iceweasel

Consider the daffodil.

And while you do that, I'll be over here, going through your stuff.

263 Bagua  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:29:08pm

re: #234 austin_blue

You reckon they will be permitted to make the second relief well into a production well?

264 albusteve  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:29:12pm

re: #257 Aceofwhat?

alllrighty then.

weird stuff

265 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:29:23pm

re: #256 erraticsphinx

There was an episode of Cops where the kid claimed he just found the bag of marijuana on the floor where he worked, and he had no idea what it was.

The cop called his friend from work, who he found the bag with, and his story actually checked out.

They took the marijuana to destroy it, and the kid got off free. I cried.

"Destroy it". :D

We'll be disposing of this contraband with special police issued glass incinerators...

266 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:30:18pm

re: #249 b_sharp

The going over the top isn't about Polanski raping a kid, it was about Goldberg's justification for her comment. I find it hard to believe she would claim Polanski is innocent because he's a celeb.

Ace, read the post I answered.

i did. i simply disagree that partially excusing him because he's a celeb is less disgusting than partially excusing him because Whoopie really doesn't think it's that bad.

but i also am not trying to paint you in the corner of defending either Whoopie or Polanski, so we can let this one drop if you'd like! whatever points are out there to be scored on this topic can go back in the pot, if you ask me...

267 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:30:27pm

re: #259 WindUpBird

Board games = sometimes! Princes of Florence is one of my favorites ATM
Minis = almost never
computer games = I develop art assets for them on a contract basis and used to play them a lot more than I do now :D

I have a few friends on BGG! I have an account there but I never use it. Are you in the RSP forum?

Heh, no RSP. I get way enough here :D :D :D

268 Millicent Islam  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:30:29pm

re: #262 erraticsphinx

Consider the daffodil.

And while you do that, I'll be over here, going through your stuff.

Deep Thoughts was so brilliant.

If God dwells inside us like some people say, I sure hope He likes enchiladas, because that's what He's getting”

269 cliffster  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:30:33pm

re: #257 Aceofwhat?

alllrighty then.

That horrible, awful Reagan, winning the Cold War, dragging the economy out of the gutter, making Americans proud. Fuck that guy.

270 Gus  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:30:44pm

re: #256 erraticsphinx

There was an episode of Cops where the kid claimed he just found the bag of marijuana on the floor where he worked, and he had no idea what it was.

The cop called his friend from work, who he found the bag with, and his story actually checked out.

They took the marijuana to destroy it, and the kid got off free. I cried.

NJ State Police Marijuana Destruction Kit:

Contains

1. Water
2. Lighter
3. Bong

271 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:30:44pm

re: #266 Aceofwhat?

i did. i simply disagree that partially excusing him because he's a celeb is less disgusting than partially excusing him because Whoopie really doesn't think it's that bad.

but i also am not trying to paint you in the corner of defending either Whoopie or Polanski, so we can let this one drop if you'd like! whatever points are out there to be scored on this topic can go back in the pot, if you ask me...

I still like The Ninth Gate ;_;

272 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:31:33pm

re: #267 wlewisiii

Heh, no RSP. I get way enough here :D :D :D

ahahahaha well, if you ever see Tobias Strobe, tell him hi for me :D

273 Cato the Elder  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:31:36pm

re: #216 WindUpBird

I'm happy to admit I came on too strong and that Reine had right to be offended.

But that meme, I will still do battle with it. Thanks, "Great Communicator." Thanks a bunch for that bit of victimizing, sensationalist diarrhea.

For me, Reagan always was and still remains the Great Prevaricator.

Selling arms to Iran to finance an illegal pet warlet of his? No problem.

The man was a lying piece of shit.

274 Ghost of Insanity  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:31:40pm

re: #215 albusteve

she did...she owes you nothing more

Where the hell did that come from? I never suggested she owes us anything.

275 erraticsphinx  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:31:52pm

re: #268 iceweasel

I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world because they'd never expect it.

276 cliffster  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:32:31pm

re: #261 albusteve

that's just cruel dude...it's BREAD!...hot out of the oven with butter?...mmm, a real delicacy from my boyhood

Maybe I'll wake up at 4:00am tomorrow morning and get another loaf going

277 erraticsphinx  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:32:32pm

re: #275 erraticsphinx

(Jack Handey, not me, haha)

278 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:33:04pm
"He was a cowboy, mister, and he loved the land. He loved it so much he made a woman out of dirt and married her. But when he kissed her, she disintegrated. Later, at the funeral, when the preacher said, 'Dust to dust,' some people laughed, and the cowboy shot them. At his hanging, he told the others, 'I'll be waiting for you in heaven---with a gun.'"

That is my favorite of all of them :D

279 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:33:37pm

re: #276 cliffster

Maybe I'll wake up at 4:00am tomorrow morning and get another loaf going

PERFECT solution.

280 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:34:05pm

re: #276 cliffster


that makes the best out-of-context quote

281 Millicent Islam  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:34:29pm

re: #275 erraticsphinx

I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world because they'd never expect it.

I love that one! Reading some quotes now, loads I forgot about. This was the one I was thinking of earlier:

As I bit into the nectarine, it had a crisp juiciness about it that was very pleasurable - until I realized it wasn't a nectarine at all, but A HUMAN HEAD!

282 cliffster  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:35:04pm

re: #279 Stanley Sea

PERFECT solution.

Indeed. And with that, there's really nothing stopping me from eating the whole thing tonight. Where's that butter and cinnamon?

283 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:35:33pm

dammit I need to get back to work!

I'm sorry I chased you off Reine ;_;

284 cliffster  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:35:40pm

re: #280 WindUpBird

that makes the best out-of-context quote

that's what she said

285 albusteve  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:35:43pm

re: #274 b_sharp

Where the hell did that come from? I never suggested she owes us anything.

Just 'splain your comment and everything will be cool.

your words...well after it was a done deal

286 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:36:32pm

re: #216 WindUpBird

I'm happy to admit I came on too strong and that Reine had right to be offended.

But that meme, I will still do battle with it. Thanks, "Great Communicator." Thanks a bunch for that bit of victimizing, sensationalist diarrhea.

Hey WUB.
I wasn't offended so much as frustrated.

I have given of my time and my money to a gajillion causes.
I'm a sucker for a collection bucket to send poor kids to camp.
Christmas - I take a few tags from the tree at church, buy what is wanted or needed, wrap it up, tag it and bring it back to church.
Church is collecting school supplies for underprivileged children - I donated a full set and a backpack.

It was just frustrating to have wave after wave after wave coming at me.
sorry

287 Ghost of Insanity  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:37:14pm

re: #266 Aceofwhat?

i did. i simply disagree that partially excusing him because he's a celeb is less disgusting than partially excusing him because Whoopie really doesn't think it's that bad.

but i also am not trying to paint you in the corner of defending either Whoopie or Polanski, so we can let this one drop if you'd like! whatever points are out there to be scored on this topic can go back in the pot, if you ask me...

Points? We're playing for points? Nobody told me that.

The pot is good.

288 albusteve  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:37:17pm

re: #276 cliffster

Maybe I'll wake up at 4:00am tomorrow morning and get another loaf going

I do that too...it's just natural

289 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:37:25pm

re: #281 iceweasel

Um, should I read this? Is it a book?
I think I would like it...

290 austin_blue  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:37:31pm

re: #263 Bagua

You reckon they will be permitted to make the second relief well into a production well?

Oh, yeah, if they successfully kill the existing bore hole with the first relief well.

They've got the permit, and it *is* their lease.

Look, Thunderhorse is producing 300,000 bbls a day for BP nearby. At $75/bbl, that's $225 million a day. You want BP to pay for the fines, long-term cleanup, and associated economic damages, yes? You can be damn well sure that producing out of this (obviously) freakin' huge discovery will go a long way toward doing that without bankrupting BP America, and having them leave the US and having Joe Taxpayer hoofing the bill.

That's a real possibility, by the way.

291 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:37:50pm

re: #286 reine.de.tout

{{{Reine}}}

292 albusteve  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:38:16pm

re: #283 WindUpBird

dammit I need to get back to work!

I'm sorry I chased you off Reine ;_;

you didn't

293 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:38:44pm

re: #290 austin_blue

Oh, yeah, if they successfully kill the existing bore hole with the first relief well.

They've got the permit, and it *is* their lease.

Look, Thunderhorse is producing 300,000 bbls a day for BP nearby. At $75/bbl, that's $225 million a day. You want BP to pay for the fines, long-term cleanup, and associated economic damages, yes? You can be damn well sure that producing out of this (obviously) freakin' huge discovery will go a long way toward doing that without bankrupting BP America, and having them leave the US and having Joe Taxpayer hoofing the bill.

That's a real possibility, by the way.

They've got the permit?
I have to laugh right now.
No one else has a permit, but BP does.
Anyone else but me find that - weird?

294 cliffster  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:39:12pm

re: #286 reine.de.tout

Thank you. I feel exactly that way. With the amount of time (and yes, money) that me and my family put into helping people in need, it is crazy-making when someone tries to frame my political beliefs as "hating the poor" or "blaming the poor".

295 albusteve  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:39:32pm

re: #293 reine.de.tout

They've got the permit?
I have to laugh right now.
No one else has a permit, but BP does.
Anyone else but me find that - weird?

follow the money

296 Ghost of Insanity  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:39:35pm

re: #269 cliffster

That horrible, awful Reagan, winning the Cold War, dragging the economy out of the gutter, making Americans proud. Fuck that guy.

He won the cold war? All by himself?

You mean USSR's dying economy and Gorbachev's desire to move away from communism had nothing to do with it?

297 It's a cookbook!  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:39:51pm

Watching Rachel Maddow. O'Keefe and Giles are being sued for 75 grand by the guy who got fired in California.

298 Millicent Islam  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:40:32pm

re: #276 cliffster

Maybe I'll wake up at 4:00am tomorrow morning and get another loaf going

Bread machines rock-- I started baking all our bread in Scotland (shops close over holidays and early all the time, you can't buy one anywhere for days where we are).

I don't have one here though, so I started using this recipe at epicurious:
[Link: www.epicurious.com...]

The trick with this recipe is to let it rise the first time over night (or 6 hours minimum) Then punch it down when you wake up, give it another 30 minutes, finish it and pop it in the oven. You can do it every day actually if you get into the habit and have fresh bread by the time you're out of the shower in the am.

(also double the yeast-- see the comments on the recipe)

/Domesticated iceweasel (seemingly)

299 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:40:46pm

I see that kneejerkism is slowly taking over from thoughtful commentary, oh well I guess these things happen...sigh. :(

300 austin_blue  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:41:29pm

re: #293 reine.de.tout

They've got the permit?
I have to laugh right now.
No one else has a permit, but BP does.
Anyone else but me find that - weird?

Oh, I agree. We let the screw-ups keep *their* permit!

301 albusteve  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:41:34pm

re: #296 b_sharp

He won the cold war? All by himself?

You mean USSR's dying economy and Gorbachev's desire to move away from communism had nothing to do with it?

why was their economy dying?...what was their military spending % of GNP?

302 cliffster  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:41:37pm

re: #296 b_sharp

He won the cold war? All by himself?

You mean USSR's dying economy and Gorbachev's desire to move away from communism had nothing to do with it?

Nope. All Reagan. God bless the Gipper

303 It's a cookbook!  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:42:13pm

re: #302 cliffster

Nope. All Reagan. God bless the Gipper

RINO.

/

304 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:42:14pm

re: #287 b_sharp

Points? We're playing for points? Nobody told me that.

The pot is good.

yes. i am up 845,935 to 7, but i am asking for a replay on the 7th because it looked like BS to me//

305 freetoken  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:42:21pm

re: #290 austin_blue


Look, Thunderhorse is producing 300,000 bbls a day for BP nearby.

Are you sure about that? It sounds like the figure that was hoped for, but real production is smaller and already declining, I thought.

306 albusteve  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:43:17pm

re: #298 iceweasel

Bread machines rock-- I started baking all our bread in Scotland (shops close over holidays and early all the time, you can't buy one anywhere for days where we are).

I don't have one here though, so I started using this recipe at epicurious:
[Link: www.epicurious.com...]

The trick with this recipe is to let it rise the first time over night (or 6 hours minimum) Then punch it down when you wake up, give it another 30 minutes, finish it and pop it in the oven. You can do it every day actually if you get into the habit and have fresh bread by the time you're out of the shower in the am.

(also double the yeast-- see the comments on the recipe)

/Domesticated iceweasel (seemingly)

got a good Twinkie recipe?

307 Bagua  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:43:35pm

re: #290 austin_blue

Oh, yeah, if they successfully kill the existing bore hole with the first relief well.

They've got the permit, and it *is* their lease.

Look, Thunderhorse is producing 300,000 bbls a day for BP nearby. At $75/bbl, that's $225 million a day. You want BP to pay for the fines, long-term cleanup, and associated economic damages, yes? You can be damn well sure that producing out of this (obviously) freakin' huge discovery will go a long way toward doing that without bankrupting BP America, and having them leave the US and having Joe Taxpayer hoofing the bill.

That's a real possibility, by the way.

Makes perfect sense. Also, after the bottom kill by relief well #1, they could plug back relief well #1 and finish it as a production well. That would seem easier would it not?

308 Ghost of Insanity  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:43:43pm

re: #285 albusteve

Just 'splain your comment and everything will be cool.

your words...well after it was a done deal

Are you still on that keeping up with the thread thing? Get over it Steve, I wrote those comments before I read her later comments.

You do understand that I did not know at the time I wrote those words she had explained what she meant?

Sorry as all hell I don't keep up with the thread. Will you forgive me?

309 erraticsphinx  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:43:50pm

Ooh, two last ones, and my favorites:

"When I was a kid my favorite relative was Uncle Caveman. After school
we'd all go play in his cave, and every once in a while he would eat one
of us. It wasn't until later that I found out that Uncle Caveman was a
bear."


"We tend to scoff at the beliefs of the ancients. But we can't scoff at
them personally, to their faces, and this is what annoys me."

310 albusteve  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:44:31pm

re: #308 b_sharp

Are you still on that keeping up with the thread thing? Get over it Steve, I wrote those comments before I read her later comments.

You do understand that I did not know at the time I wrote those words she had explained what she meant?

Sorry as all hell I don't keep up with the thread. Will you forgive me?

maybe...what's in it for me?

311 Millicent Islam  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:44:36pm

re: #306 albusteve

got a good Twinkie recipe?

No, but I believe the chipshops may offer a deepfried version. *shudder*

312 Ghost of Insanity  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:44:50pm

re: #286 reine.de.tout

Hey WUB.
I wasn't offended so much as frustrated.

I have given of my time and my money to a gajillion causes.
I'm a sucker for a collection bucket to send poor kids to camp.
Christmas - I take a few tags from the tree at church, buy what is wanted or needed, wrap it up, tag it and bring it back to church.
Church is collecting school supplies for underprivileged children - I donated a full set and a backpack.

It was just frustrating to have wave after wave after wave coming at me.
sorry

Reine, I'm sorry too. It just took a while for me to catch up to the conversation.

313 Nimed  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:45:36pm

re: #271 WindUpBird

I still like The Ninth Gate ;_;

If it was only The Ninth Gate... :(

I really love almost all of his movies, including Death and the Maiden. Has anybody seen the movie or the play? Those who don't can check out the plot on wikipedia for a bit of irony.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

314 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:46:06pm

re: #312 b_sharp

Reine, I'm sorry too. It just took a while for me to catch up to the conversation.

I've done the same myself.
's all good!

315 Millicent Islam  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:46:07pm

re: #289 Floral Giraffe

Um, should I read this? Is it a book?
I think I would like it...

hey cutie! there was a book just called Deep thoughts by Jack Handy, based on the SNL skit. You can also just google jack handy quotes and see if you like them. ;)

316 albusteve  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:46:24pm

re: #311 iceweasel

No, but I believe the chipshops may offer a deepfried version. *shudder*

I need a Twinkie and a Marlboro before I hit the john in the morning...just wondering...(maybe that's why I'm single after three wives?)

317 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:46:29pm

re: #298 iceweasel

Bread machines are a gateway drug to get you hooked on real homemade bread. I quickly learned that The Man was exploiting me with his capitalist kitchen gadget. Making bread by hand is just as easy and cleanup is about the same.

318 It's a cookbook!  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:46:51pm

I need some ice cream...

319 RogueOne  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:47:09pm

re: #317 Killgore Trout

Bread machines are a gateway drug to get you hooked on real homemade bread. I quickly learned that The Man was exploiting me with his capitalist kitchen gadget. Making bread by hand is just as easy and cleanup is about the same.

That's for the Amish. A real man goes to a bakery.

320 cliffster  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:47:26pm

re: #298 iceweasel

Bread machines rock-- I started baking all our bread in Scotland (shops close over holidays and early all the time, you can't buy one anywhere for days where we are).

I don't have one here though, so I started using this recipe at epicurious:
[Link: www.epicurious.com...]

The trick with this recipe is to let it rise the first time over night (or 6 hours minimum) Then punch it down when you wake up, give it another 30 minutes, finish it and pop it in the oven. You can do it every day actually if you get into the habit and have fresh bread by the time you're out of the shower in the am.

(also double the yeast-- see the comments on the recipe)

/Domesticated iceweasel (seemingly)

That looks good.. I'll give it a try. That is a lot of salt though ;)

I have been baking bread both in the machine and by hand. At first it was annoying to me that the machine could pretty much do as good or better than me doing it by hand, but then I decided that's silly. I'm getting ready to start trying some pastries.. my sister is a pro (literally - she owns a bakery) and I'm looking forward to some quality time with her, trying to learn the ropes.

321 Ghost of Insanity  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:48:25pm

re: #310 albusteve

maybe...what's in it for me?

I won't kick you in the ass. :)

322 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:48:25pm

re: #319 RogueOne

That's for the Amish. A real man goes to a bakery.

Enjoy your chemical laden fascist bread-like product. Real bread is for patriots.

323 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:48:35pm

re: #316 albusteve

I need a Twinkie and a Marlboro before I hit the john in the morning...just wondering...(maybe that's why I'm single after three wives?)

does anybody have a 15' pole that i can borrow for a second...?

324 austin_blue  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:49:06pm

re: #305 freetoken

Are you sure about that? It sounds like the figure that was hoped for, but real production is smaller and already declining, I thought.

Right around. 250,000 bbls of oil and 200 mcf of gas/day. About 300,000 bbls of oil equivalent.

Not what they projected at first, you are correct- they were originally gobbling about 500,000 of oil equivalent/day- but a 25 year reserve. And yes when production starts to crash, it will crash hard. Hanging in there for now, though.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

325 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:49:21pm

re: #318 JasonA

I need some ice cream...

you hear that voice too? weird.

326 erraticsphinx  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:49:24pm

re: #323 Aceofwhat?

Too much information.

327 erraticsphinx  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:50:34pm

re: #323 Aceofwhat?

Oh, and that's what she said.

328 albusteve  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:50:45pm

re: #321 b_sharp

I won't kick you in the ass. :)

done...even one less kick can make a difference

329 Millicent Islam  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:50:55pm

re: #317 Killgore Trout

Bread machines are a gateway drug to get you hooked on real homemade bread. I quickly learned that The Man was exploiting me with his capitalist kitchen gadget. Making bread by hand is just as easy and cleanup is about the same.

Completely agree. Got me hooked, dammit. :(

There's also not much need for any special equipment either to make bread at home. That baguette recipe-- there are all these folks on epicurious talking about their williams sonoma baguette pan, but all you need is a baking sheet.

I pointed out to Jimmah that we were spending like 10p a loaf to make it, versus at least a pound to buy it. Crazy.
Also I like being able to make only what we need.

330 cliffster  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:51:06pm

re: #320 cliffster

That looks good.. I'll give it a try. That is a lot of salt though ;)

I have been baking bread both in the machine and by hand. At first it was annoying to me that the machine could pretty much do as good or better than me doing it by hand, but then I decided that's silly. I'm getting ready to start trying some pastries.. my sister is a pro (literally - she owns a bakery) and I'm looking forward to some quality time with her, trying to learn the ropes.

yall don't tell nobody that I said all that - I don't want my reputation getting screwed up.

331 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:51:13pm

re: #326 erraticsphinx

Too much information.

heh...if you can touch that comment with less, be my guest!

332 engineer cat  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:51:19pm

in the future:

self-proclaimed "conservatives" will start describing ronald reagan as a RINO and even as a 'Liberal'

they will also claim that we could have stopped man-made global warming sooner if it hadn't been for 'radical environmentalists', and that 'liberal policies' are threatening obama's health insurance reforms, which they are dedicated to protecting

teenagers will rebel against loud music and the pervasive informality of 21st america and begin to go around in suits and dresses acting ostentatiously quiet and well-behaved

333 Ghost of Insanity  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:51:27pm

re: #323 Aceofwhat?

does anybody have a 15' pole that i can borrow for a second...?

I have a 20' rebar you can use.

334 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:52:00pm

re: #331 Aceofwhat?

heh...if you can touch that comment with less, be my guest!

Hell, I bravely up-dinged it.

335 Bagua  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:52:02pm

re: #324 austin_blue

The MC252 likely hit a payzone of least 1 billion barrels from what I'm hearing.

336 Millicent Islam  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:52:05pm

re: #320 cliffster

That looks good.. I'll give it a try. That is a lot of salt though ;)

I have been baking bread both in the machine and by hand. At first it was annoying to me that the machine could pretty much do as good or better than me doing it by hand, but then I decided that's silly. I'm getting ready to start trying some pastries.. my sister is a pro (literally - she owns a bakery) and I'm looking forward to some quality time with her, trying to learn the ropes.

Ooh, fantastic. Very jealous! we'll have to talk. I want to get into that too.

337 It's a cookbook!  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:52:06pm

Yikes. They're training Afghan woman to be police officers? Cool.

338 HoosierHoops  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:53:27pm

re: #329 iceweasel

Hot fresh bread with warm Butter...Mmmm

339 erraticsphinx  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:53:33pm

re: #337 JasonA

If there are female Afghan police officers who still get to wear burkas on the job, that is officially the scariest thing ever for a criminal in Afghanistan.

340 Nimed  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:53:35pm

re: #314 reine.de.tout

Gosh! I guess I was the only one who wanted to beat up on you. Go figure.

By the way, interesting page about BP compensations and IRS filings. Karma continues to be a bitch.

341 albusteve  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:53:38pm

re: #334 Stanley Sea

Hell, I bravely up-dinged it.

sure...I'll take one for the team

342 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:53:41pm

re: #333 b_sharp

I have a 20' rebar you can use.

sweet.

rebar in hand:

Steve, i'm sure it was the Marlboro and the twinkie. Without them, i believe that you'd be with all 3 wives right now, cuddly old fart that you are/

343 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:53:57pm

So, if I say that their response was stupid and counterproductive, which I honestly believe it is, I must be a racist right? I must be secretly rooting for those neo-confederates right? I am not allowed to disagree with the majority opinion because if I am not "for ya I must be against ya" right?

Otherwise how do you explain the instant retaliation? Downdings and invective do not a counter argument make... :p

344 albusteve  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:54:23pm

re: #338 HoosierHoops

Hot fresh bread with warm Butter...Mmmm

no kidding, one of the great treats in life...mine anyways

345 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:55:30pm

re: #302 cliffster

Nope. All Reagan. God bless the Gipper

Bullshit...It was Captain America, I saw a documentary about it!
(They had to keep it hush-hush in the press though.)

/

346 It's a cookbook!  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:56:06pm

re: #343 ausador

I am so lost...

I'm also very weak, and must be off to the store because I have this irresistible hunger for ice cream.

347 albusteve  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:56:06pm

re: #342 Aceofwhat?

sweet.

rebar in hand:

Steve, i'm sure it was the Marlboro and the twinkie. Without them, i believe that you'd be with all 3 wives right now, cuddly old fart that you are/

they will never know what they lost...it's probably better that way

348 Bagua  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:56:31pm

Live feed to the oilcano now flowing from the top of the 3-Ram Cap. (Which is a second BOP)

The long, perforated riser used for the installation has been removed. Video to follow.

349 austin_blue  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:57:32pm

re: #307 Bagua

Makes perfect sense. Also, after the bottom kill by relief well #1, they could plug back relief well #1 and finish it as a production well. That would seem easier would it not?

I wouldn't. The formation around the original Macondo bore is pretty fucked up right now do to an uncontrolled pressure release for over 80 days. I'd want at least a 1/4 mile standoff. If that first relief well works, I'd plug it back to 10,000' total depth below the sea floor, blow the casing there, and kick off sideways to get away from the original bore. That would give me my 1/4 mile spacing and not waste the entire hole.

So yes, if I was BP, I would try to turn both relief wells into production testing wells. I just would not complete them anywhere near the original Macondo borehole.

350 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:57:36pm

re: #343 ausador

So, if I say that their response was stupid and counterproductive, which I honestly believe it is, I must be a racist right? I must be secretly rooting for those neo-confederates right? I am not allowed to disagree with the majority opinion because if I am not "for ya I must be against ya" right?

Otherwise how do you explain the instant retaliation? Downdings and invective do not a counter argument make... :p

no, i think that counterproductive can be a cogent position, because it does not look racism in the face and deny it. i think that you ought to be able to make that argument here and receive fair treatment.

351 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:57:37pm

re: #340 Nimed

Gosh! I guess I was the only one who wanted to beat up on you. Go figure.

By the way, interesting page about BP compensations and IRS filings. Karma continues to be a bitch.

Heh.
I can't imagine you really beating up on anyone.
Taking issue, yes.
Beating? nah.
I wasn't clear, the context wasn't clear. I've come into threads and done the same thing myself.

As to the BP compensations - yes, we went on a short out of town trip today, and listened to local talk radio, and this was the topic for a couple of hours. Very few had any sympathy for those who cheated the IRS, but now want to claim their full income rather than what they reported for tax purposes. They're stuck. They did it to themselves. I have no sympathy.

352 HoosierHoops  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:58:11pm

re: #348 Bagua

Live feed to the oilcano now flowing from the top of the 3-Ram Cap. (Which is a second BOP)

The long, perforated riser used for the installation has been removed. Video to follow.

Still running this awesome video in a window Bag...
[Link: www.cnn.com...]

353 freetoken  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:58:27pm

re: #318 JasonA

I need some ice cream...

Well, I'd share but I just finished my pint of HD Chocolate Chocolate Chip - sorry.

354 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 6:58:31pm

re: #348 Bagua

Live feed to the oilcano now flowing from the top of the 3-Ram Cap. (Which is a second BOP)

The long, perforated riser used for the installation has been removed. Video to follow.

Oilcano!
LOL.
Good one.

355 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 7:00:34pm

re: #343 ausador

So, if I say that their response was stupid and counterproductive, which I honestly believe it is, I must be a racist right? I must be secretly rooting for those neo-confederates right? I am not allowed to disagree with the majority opinion because if I am not "for ya I must be against ya" right?

Otherwise how do you explain the instant retaliation? Downdings and invective do not a counter argument make... :p

I take issue with anyone determining for the NAACP what is stupid and counterproductive to their cause. Unless you are a freaking paid member.

356 Bagua  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 7:00:51pm

re: #349 austin_blue

I wouldn't. The formation around the original Macondo bore is pretty fucked up right now do to an uncontrolled pressure release for over 80 days. I'd want at least a 1/4 mile standoff. If that first relief well works, I'd plug it back to 10,000' total depth below the sea floor, blow the casing there, and kick off sideways to get away from the original bore. That would give me my 1/4 mile spacing and not waste the entire hole.

So yes, if I was BP, I would try to turn both relief wells into production testing wells. I just would not complete them anywhere near the original Macondo borehole.

Makes sense, thanks. Plugging it back to 10,000' would give no advantage over relief well #2, so I can see why they might switch to that if they can't complete both.

357 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 7:00:59pm

Good evening LGF.
Any unsolved mysteries?
Any unslain dragons?

358 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 7:01:27pm

re: #353 freetoken

Well, I'd share but I just finished my pint of HD Chocolate Chocolate Chip - sorry.

Yes, I just finished my Menchies Chocolate Satin - frozen yogurt, but very very good (and very chocolaty).

When it's summer and hot, I firmly believe that dinner means ice-cream dessert FIRST, then food if you're still hungry.

359 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 7:02:10pm

re: #357 Spare O'Lake

Good evening LGF.
Any unsolved mysteries?
Any unslain dragons?

Me, I'm running around in circles and am completely out of breath.
Clutching my oh-so-very proper pearls, of course.

360 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 7:03:00pm

re: #355 Stanley Sea

I take issue with anyone determining for the NAACP what is stupid and counterproductive to their cause. Unless you are a freaking paid member.

oh, i don't know...what Dan Gilbert said was stupid and counterproductive, and you don't need to be a Cavs fan to opine on that;)

more seriously, though, i think there's room to discuss what is or is not a wise move by Group A or Group B without having to present our VIP cards to the bouncer, isn't there?

361 Bagua  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 7:03:02pm

re: #352 HoosierHoops

Still running this awesome video in a window Bag...
[Link: www.cnn.com...]

That is the cam on the top of the new 3-Ram Cap. The perforated riser has been removed and it will freeflow for 6-48 hours while they run pressure tests.

362 What, me worry?  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 7:03:18pm

re: #343 ausador

So, if I say that their response was stupid and counterproductive, which I honestly believe it is, I must be a racist right? I must be secretly rooting for those neo-confederates right? I am not allowed to disagree with the majority opinion because if I am not "for ya I must be against ya" right?

Otherwise how do you explain the instant retaliation? Downdings and invective do not a counter argument make... :p

You can disagree all you like. Others obviously think you're wrong.

The Tea Party has a problem and when that problem is organized as it is, it is a duty (in my mind) to call it out. It's the only way to deal with it effectively in our society.

363 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 7:03:20pm

re: #357 Spare O'Lake

Good evening LGF.
Any unsolved mysteries?
Any unslain dragons?

what is reality?

364 Millicent Islam  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 7:03:34pm

re: #355 Stanley Sea

I take issue with anyone determining for the NAACP what is stupid and counterproductive to their cause. Unless you are a freaking paid member.

Cato already covered this very well upthread. There's an epidemic out there of concerntrolling and handwringing over how the problem isn't the virulent racism exploding into the open under our first black pres-- it's that people call attention to it!
If only those nice black people wouldn't be so strident, more people might like them. ///

365 Ghost of Insanity  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 7:04:17pm

re: #343 ausador

So, if I say that their response was stupid and counterproductive, which I honestly believe it is, I must be a racist right? I must be secretly rooting for those neo-confederates right? I am not allowed to disagree with the majority opinion because if I am not "for ya I must be against ya" right?

Otherwise how do you explain the instant retaliation? Downdings and invective do not a counter argument make... :p

All I did was point out your assumption that all TPers were being lumped together was wrong and that making a public point about some TPer's bigotry can make a difference.

366 cliffster  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 7:04:20pm

Oh, you know what? I forgot to mention the pickles that we made.. quick pickles made from homegrown cucumbers. I should take some pictures and put them in the pages...

367 HoosierHoops  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 7:04:54pm

re: #361 Bagua

That is the cam on the top of the new 3-Ram Cap. The perforated riser has been removed and it will freeflow for 6-48 hours while they run pressure tests.

Just amazing video..

368 albusteve  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 7:06:13pm

re: #366 cliffster

Oh, you know what? I forgot to mention the pickles that we made.. quick pickles made from homegrown cucumbers. I should take some pictures and put them in the pages...

do that...don't hide the pickle!

369 Ghost of Insanity  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 7:06:15pm

re: #358 reine.de.tout

Yes, I just finished my Menchies Chocolate Satin - frozen yogurt, but very very good (and very chocolaty).

When it's summer and hot, I firmly believe that dinner means ice-cream dessert FIRST, then food if you're still hungry.

I actually do that.

370 austin_blue  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 7:06:26pm

re: #335 Bagua

The MC252 likely hit a payzone of least 1 billion barrels from what I'm hearing.

Again, maybe. You really don't know how heterogeneous a reservoir is or its areal extent until you get in there and start drilling the development wells. A couple of test well will give you basic parameters (porosity, permeability, vertical depth of pay, &c), but it won't tell you if you have hit the sweet spot of the reservoir or if it pinches out within 5 miles N, S, E, or W.

Petroleum Geology really is like a box of choc'lits. You never know what you are going to get.

I drilled a 27,500' duster in Hellhole Bayou once for Shell that they were convinced was going to put out like a Lady of Negotiable Love on payday.

Nothing.

371 Millicent Islam  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 7:06:29pm

re: #366 cliffster

Oh, you know what? I forgot to mention the pickles that we made.. quick pickles made from homegrown cucumbers. I should take some pictures and put them in the pages...

Cool! Was looking at a pickle recipe.
I think I want to try canning at some point. Next year, maybe...
Do it! I'll upding! :)

372 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 7:07:04pm

re: #360 Aceofwhat?

oh, i don't know...what Dan Gilbert said was stupid and counterproductive, and you don't need to be a Cavs fan to opine on that;)

more seriously, though, i think there's room to discuss what is or is not a wise move by Group A or Group B without having to present our VIP cards to the bouncer, isn't there?

I agreed with Dan!

No, actually in this instance I don't, due to the widely (here and elsewhere) published instances of racism of members of the Tea Party. It to me is totally appropriate that an organization such as the NAACP speak out about it. I do suspect anyone who thinks it's a "stupid and counterproductive" idea.

Stupid & counterproductive to me sounds like the NCAAP is blowing its chance to court, uh who? People who think there's reverse racism?

373 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 7:08:06pm

re: #366 cliffster

Oh, you know what? I forgot to mention the pickles that we made.. quick pickles made from homegrown cucumbers. I should take some pictures and put them in the pages...

STOP!

(where do you live?)

374 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 7:10:36pm

re: #372 Stanley Sea

Holy shit, Dan Gilbert is being fined by Stern for the letter.

puleeze.

Stern said on Monday in Las Vegas where the NBA owners are meeting that Gilbert is being fined $100,000 for posting the letter, which can still be accessed on the Cavaliers official website. Gilbert was also being punished for comments made in phone interview with Associated Press reporters in which he said that LeBron had quit in the playoffs the previous two years.

[Link: www.sbnation.com...]

375 austin_blue  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 7:10:46pm

re: #359 reine.de.tout

Me, I'm running around in circles and am completely out of breath.
Clutching my oh-so-very proper pearls, of course.

A proper Southern Lady should always keep a set of pearls within reach. They are charming both in social circles and in the boudoir.

I learned this from dear friends at Sophie Newcomb College.

376 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 7:10:52pm

re: #362 marjoriemoon

You can disagree all you like. Others obviously think you're wrong.

The Tea Party has a problem and when that problem is organized as it is, it is a duty (in my mind) to call it out. It's the only way to deal with it effectively in our society.

The Tea Party's biggest problem is its stupid name...no chance of going anywhere with a lame moniker like that.

377 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 7:11:23pm

re: #372 Stanley Sea

ausador didn't say it was inappropriate. he said it was counterproductive in his opinion. those are very different things...

378 albusteve  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 7:11:40pm

re: #374 Stanley Sea

Holy shit, Dan Gilbert is being fined by Stern for the letter.

puleeze.

[Link: www.sbnation.com...]

that's the way it works...I see no problem with it

379 Ghost of Insanity  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 7:12:16pm

re: #375 austin_blue

A proper Southern Lady should always keep a set of pearls within reach. They are charming both in social circles and in the boudoir.

I learned this from dear friends at Sophie Newcomb College.

What are you supposed to do with them in the boudoir?

380 Bagua  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 7:13:26pm

re: #299 ausador

I see that kneejerkism is slowly taking over from thoughtful commentary, oh well I guess these things happen...sigh. :(

re: #343 ausador

So, if I say that their response was stupid and counterproductive, which I honestly believe it is, I must be a racist right? I must be secretly rooting for those neo-confederates right? I am not allowed to disagree with the majority opinion because if I am not "for ya I must be against ya" right?

Otherwise how do you explain the instant retaliation? Downdings and invective do not a counter argument make... :p

Spot on!

381 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 7:14:02pm

re: #377 Aceofwhat?

ausador didn't say it was inappropriate. he said it was counterproductive in his opinion. those are very different things...

Ooops.

"stupid and counterproductive"

382 Gitarzan  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 7:15:08pm

re: #43 brookly red

and I would say the same for the New Black Panther Party... so now what? do we take sides or move on?

The thing is, the (New) Black Panthers have always been fringe and the NAACP is most definitely mainstream and a major part of civil rights history...the Tea Partiers are trying to become mainstream (and their more unsavory and dangerous elements are trying to piggyback on that).

383 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 7:15:08pm

re: #379 b_sharp

What are you supposed to do with them in the boudoir?

Wear them.
Just the pearls.

384 Ghost of Insanity  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 7:16:49pm

re: #383 reine.de.tout

Wear them.
Just the pearls.

Is that all you do with them?

No whipping involved?

Pity.

385 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 7:16:53pm

re: #382 talon_262

The thing is, the (New) Black Panthers have always been fringe and the NAACP is most definitely mainstream and a major part of civil rights history...the Tea Partiers are trying to become mainstream (and their more unsavory and dangerous elements are trying to piggyback on that).

Conflating the NAACP with the New Black Panthers (is that like the New Match Game?) is some real REAL weird thought process.

386 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 7:17:00pm

re: #381 Stanley Sea

Ooops.

"stupid and counterproductive"

counterproductive can be stupid. it is certainly appropriate for them to speak on matters of race...whether it is a smart move, in this case, doesn't seem like it ought to be out of the bounds of polite discussion.

mind you, ausador hasn't convinced me. but i'm having a hard time understanding why it's not ok if he tries...

387 Gus  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 7:17:13pm

Can't hardly even win one dollar in a scratch game.

Big Lotto is ripping us off!

/

388 What, me worry?  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 7:17:22pm

re: #376 Spare O'Lake

The Tea Party's biggest problem is its stupid name...no chance of going anywhere with a lame moniker like that.

Maybe we should contact the Department of Silly Names.

*A* problem, yes. *The* problem, not so much.

You don't think the Tea Party has influence?

389 Bagua  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 7:17:27pm

re: #380 Bagua

Spot on!

Lol. "Spot on!" Deserves a downding as an objectionable comment.

390 Varek Raith  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 7:18:38pm

Sigh.
It's too late for the Tea Parties.
Avoid them like a radioactive barrel.

391 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 7:18:49pm

re: #386 Aceofwhat?

counterproductive can be stupid. it is certainly appropriate for them to speak on matters of race...whether it is a smart move, in this case, doesn't seem like it ought to shouldn't be out of the bounds of polite discussion.

mind you, ausador hasn't convinced me. but i'm having a hard time understanding why it's not ok if he tries...

pimf, sorry

392 cliffster  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 7:19:12pm

Here, I took a picture. Some homegrown veggies, a jar of pickles, and the bread that me and the little girl "baked" earlier (bread machine doesn't really count as baking).

Image: homegrown.jpg

heh, what a f*ing tool I am ;)

393 Millicent Islam  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 7:19:58pm

re: #387 Gus 802

Can't hardly even win one dollar in a scratch game.

Big Lotto is ripping us off!

/

Damn them! Welcome back. :)

394 What, me worry?  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 7:20:01pm

re: #386 Aceofwhat?

counterproductive can be stupid. it is certainly appropriate for them to speak on matters of race...whether it is a smart move, in this case, doesn't seem like it ought to be out of the bounds of polite discussion.

mind you, ausador hasn't convinced me. but i'm having a hard time understanding why it's not ok if he tries...

One can only look to WWII to see the effects of out of check racism.

395 Gus  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 7:20:08pm

re: #390 Varek Raith

Sigh.
It's too late for the Tea Parties.
Avoid them like a radioactive barrel.

What about leaking hydrazine?

396 Gus  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 7:20:41pm

re: #393 iceweasel

Damn them! Welcome back. :)

Thanks. Yeah, went to get some "supplies".

397 albusteve  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 7:20:58pm

re: #386 Aceofwhat?

counterproductive can be stupid. it is certainly appropriate for them to speak on matters of race...whether it is a smart move, in this case, doesn't seem like it ought to be out of the bounds of polite discussion.

mind you, ausador hasn't convinced me. but i'm having a hard time understanding why it's not ok if he tries...

I don't recall anybody posting that it wasn't okay, but maybe I missed it, like how I missed why it is stupid and unproductive...the NCAA is speaking out on principle, a rare thing these days...as for me it doesn't matter hhat's to be gained or lost politically...they are right

398 What, me worry?  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 7:21:25pm

re: #392 cliffster

Here, I took a picture. Some homegrown veggies, a jar of pickles, and the bread that me and the little girl "baked" earlier (bread machine doesn't really count as baking).

Image: homegrown.jpg

heh, what a f*ing tool I am ;)

Make a nice still-life painting. Something in watercolor.

399 cliffster  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 7:21:50pm

re: #371 iceweasel

Cool! Was looking at a pickle recipe.
I think I want to try canning at some point. Next year, maybe...
Do it! I'll upding! :)

Here's what I did - it's really good, and they were ready in 2 days.


Fresh Dill Cucmber Pickles

5 to 6 lbs pickling cucumbers (less than 5" long)
1 large red onion, peeled, halved and then cut into half moons about 1/2" thick
1 whole head of garlic, cloves peeled and minced
handful of dill heads or fronds
2/3 cu peeled, finely grated fresh horseradish (optional)
3 small chiles (or more to taste), slit up one side (optional)
1/4 cu pickling spices
3 cu red wine vinegar
6 cu water
1/2 cu kosher or other coarse salt
Trim and discard the blossom ends of the cucumbers. To accelerate pickling half some or all of the cucumbers lengthwise (I don't do this)

Pack all the ingredients except the vinegar, water and salt into a nonreactive wide-mouth jar, crock or bowl, saving the smaller and/or halved cucumbers for the top.

In a nonreactive pot, bring the vinegar water, and salt to a boil over high heat, stirring once or twice to dissolve the salt. Pour the hot mixture over the cucumbers until they are amply immersed. Allow to cool to room temperature, then cover, refridgerate, and allow to stand for 2 days to absorbe the expanding flavors of the brine. These cucumbers will keep covered and refrigerated for at least 2 months.

Note: for a simple homemade version of the classic pickling spice mixture, combine 1 tbsp coriander seed, 1 tbsp mustard seed, 2 tsp celery seed, 2 tsp peppercorns, 2 whole cloves and 4 crumbled bay leaves, and mix well. The mixture will keep for months in a sealed container in a cool, dark place.

400 Millicent Islam  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 7:22:02pm

re: #392 cliffster

Here, I took a picture. Some homegrown veggies, a jar of pickles, and the bread that me and the little girl "baked" earlier (bread machine doesn't really count as baking).

Image: homegrown.jpg
;)

nice!!

401 Bagua  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 7:22:14pm

re: #398 marjoriemoon

Make a nice still-life painting. Something in watercolor.

Just needs a bottle of wine and a little cheese for a meal.

402 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 7:22:20pm

re: #394 marjoriemoon

One can only look to WWII to see the effects of out of check racism.

i don't get it...or at least, i don't understand how that relates to what i said...help?

403 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 7:22:57pm

re: #386 Aceofwhat?

counterproductive can be stupid. it is certainly appropriate for them to speak on matters of race...whether it is a smart move, in this case, doesn't seem like it ought to be out of the bounds of polite discussion.

mind you, ausador hasn't convinced me. but i'm having a hard time understanding why it's not ok if he tries...

I cannot for the life of me come up with any possible way that a group that represents black people would be stupid to question the motives of racists.

I mean, it might conflict with certain strategic political goals, but I wouldn't call it stupid, because it's exactly what they're around for.

404 Racer X  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 7:23:08pm

In other news - Fish will remain a Laker!

Three-Peat!

405 Millicent Islam  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 7:23:31pm

re: #399 cliffster

Oh thank you!! That looks terrific! Bookmarked!

406 HoosierHoops  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 7:23:44pm

re: #404 Racer X

In other news - Fish will remain a Laker!

Three-Peat!

CRAP! CRAP! CRAP!

407 freetoken  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 7:23:51pm

re: #324 austin_blue

Right around. 250,000 bbls of oil and 200 mcf of gas/day. About 300,000 bbls of oil equivalent.

Well, that is it's capacity. However, I thought I read a news blurb about the actual production figures - and these should be available from the MMS - that put the production less than that. No?

408 What, me worry?  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 7:23:55pm

re: #402 Aceofwhat?

i don't get it...or at least, i don't understand how that relates to what i said...help?

I thought you were debating the merits of speaking out against racism.

409 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 7:24:09pm

If it were the ADL and not the NAACP, would anyone be pushing back on them here?

410 It's a cookbook!  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 7:24:30pm

Mission accomplished. The Rocky Road has been secured.

411 Millicent Islam  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 7:24:30pm

re: #403 WindUpBird

I cannot for the life of me come up with any possible way that a group that represents black people would be stupid to question the motives of racists.

I mean, it might conflict with certain strategic political goals, but I wouldn't call it stupid, because it's exactly what they're around for.

It sort of sounds like the real reason behind lots of those arguments might be that people object to such groups existing at all.

412 albusteve  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 7:24:35pm

re: #397 albusteve

ah, that's NAACP steveo

413 Gus  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 7:24:53pm

re: #409 WindUpBird

If it were the ADL and not the NAACP, would anyone be pushing back on them here?

Here? No. Elsewhere. Yes.

414 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 7:25:01pm

re: #386 Aceofwhat?

counterproductive can be stupid. it is certainly appropriate for them to speak on matters of race...whether it is a smart move, in this case, doesn't seem like it ought to be out of the bounds of polite discussion.

mind you, ausador hasn't convinced me. but i'm having a hard time understanding why it's not ok if he tries...

Oh sure, he can try, I wasn't trying to squash his pov, just totally disagreed with it.

I'm still re-thinking (and Cato did cover it well above) WTF telling the NAACP that they are stupid & counterproductive. Counterproductive to what?

I would love an answer of what this statement is counterproductive to.

Sorry, this hits my "outrage" button.

415 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 7:25:21pm

re: #392 cliffster

Here, I took a picture. Some homegrown veggies, a jar of pickles, and the bread that me and the little girl "baked" earlier (bread machine doesn't really count as baking).

Image: homegrown.jpg

heh, what a f*ing tool I am ;)

Cliffster -
The bread looks great, as do the homegrown veggies.
But I don't know about what's in that jar.

416 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 7:25:32pm

re: #413 Gus 802

Here? No. Elsewhere. Yes.

agreed!

417 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 7:26:12pm

re: #389 Bagua

Cannot stand the ding watching.

418 Millicent Islam  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 7:26:23pm

re: #409 WindUpBird

If it were the ADL and not the NAACP, would anyone be pushing back on them here?

Would anyone suggest that it's counterproductive and stupid to not object to any example(s) of antisemitism?

I don't think so. Certainly not people here.

419 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 7:26:35pm

re: #414 Stanley Sea

Oh sure, he can try, I wasn't trying to squash his pov, just totally disagreed with it.

I'm still re-thinking (and Cato did cover it well above) WTF telling the NAACP that they are stupid & counterproductive. Counterproductive to what?

I would love an answer of what this statement is counterproductive to.

Sorry, this hits my "outrage" button.

A group that is all about speaking out about civil rights and racism is speaking out about civil rights and racism.

Stupid!

420 Bagua  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 7:26:43pm

re: #417 Stanley Sea

Cannot stand the ding watching.

Lol.

421 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 7:26:47pm

re: #403 WindUpBird

I cannot for the life of me come up with any possible way that a group that represents black people would be stupid to question the motives of racists.

me neither. but i'm willing to let someone else give it a whirl, when they go out of their way to explain that they are in no way attempting to downplay the TP.

"i can't imagine why X" is a statement that we all make on occasion, and often out of hubris (i include myself here...i fail often at everything...). just because we can't imagine a reason does not therefore mean that a reason does not exist...

...although i'm pretty sure you all only exist in my head...

422 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 7:26:49pm

re: #399 cliffster

HA!
I just grabbed that for the possible potential Volume 3.

423 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 7:26:49pm

re: #418 iceweasel

Would anyone suggest that it's counterproductive and stupid to not object to any example(s) of antisemitism?

I don't think so. Certainly not people here.

exactly!

424 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 7:26:59pm

re: #408 marjoriemoon

I thought you were debating the merits of speaking out against racism.

nope

425 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 7:27:06pm

re: #388 marjoriemoon

Maybe we should contact the Department of Silly Names.

*A* problem, yes. *The* problem, not so much.

You don't think the Tea Party has influence?

Imagine how much more influence they would have if they had a decent name...and better spelling on their signs.

426 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 7:27:18pm

re: #392 cliffster

Here, I took a picture. Some homegrown veggies, a jar of pickles, and the bread that me and the little girl "baked" earlier (bread machine doesn't really count as baking).

Image: homegrown.jpg

heh, what a f*ing tool I am ;)

Nice! I'm so jealous. I got nothin' going on this year. Pretty much universal failure.

427 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 7:27:22pm

re: #410 JasonA

Mission accomplished. The Rocky Road has been secured.

Eat it now, before supper!

428 Millicent Islam  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 7:27:24pm

re: #414 Stanley Sea

Oh sure, he can try, I wasn't trying to squash his pov, just totally disagreed with it.

Today's meme is: disagreeing with someone's pov = attacking.

429 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 7:27:46pm

re: #421 Aceofwhat?

me neither. but i'm willing to let someone else give it a whirl, when they go out of their way to explain that they are in no way attempting to downplay the TP.

"i can't imagine why X" is a statement that we all make on occasion, and often out of hubris (i include myself here...i fail often at everything...). just because we can't imagine a reason does not therefore mean that a reason does not exist...

...although i'm pretty sure you all only exist in my head...

I'm gnawing on your septum pellucidium as we speak, that's where all the fun is

430 freetoken  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 7:27:57pm

re: #324 austin_blue

Here's the link Wikipedia references when it says " Actual production approached capacity in March 2009, but started to decline soon after that.[3]"

[Link: www.theoildrum.com...]

If Thunderhorse really is producing only 175k bbl/day then that is quite a bit under what was initially hoped, no?

This I think is a real difficulty in communicating oil, and the issues around it, to the general public - often sorting the truth from hype takes considerable work.

431 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 7:28:01pm

re: #414 Stanley Sea

Oh sure, he can try, I wasn't trying to squash his pov, just totally disagreed with it.

ah. i see.

432 researchok  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 7:28:01pm

Helluva day...nice to be in the green zone.

433 Ghost of Insanity  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 7:28:37pm

re: #421 Aceofwhat?


...although i'm pretty sure you all only exist in my head...

If you only knew...

434 cliffster  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 7:28:39pm

re: #415 reine.de.tout

Cliffster -
The bread looks great, as do the homegrown veggies.
But I don't know about what's in that jar.

I'll give you, it's not much to look at, but it's yummy. Homemade pickles from homegrown cucumbers is hard to beat. I'm not much of an artist; I could have probably created a better presentation...

435 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 7:30:25pm

re: #404 Racer X

In other news - Fish will remain a Laker!

Three-Peat!

DUDE. I read that LeBron met him @ the Miami airport...ugh

I thought Phillip was announcing last week?

436 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 7:31:02pm

re: #434 cliffster

I'll give you, it's not much to look at, but it's yummy. Homemade pickles from homegrown cucumbers is hard to beat. I'm not much of an artist; I could have probably created a better presentation...

Well - I grabbed the recipe!
I've been dying to try to do pickles.

437 Racer X  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 7:31:46pm

re: #417 Stanley Sea

Cannot stand the ding watching.

I recently discovered that I feel much better just ignoring posts I disagree with. I rarely downding. I derive a little bit of pleasure with every upding though (Karma enhancement just feels good). I'm pretty sure a unicorn gets it's wings every time I click the + button.

438 cliffster  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 7:32:12pm

re: #426 Killgore Trout

Nice! I'm so jealous. I got nothin' going on this year. Pretty much universal failure.

I was having trouble for awhile, and I was talking to my dad on the phone. "Ain't enough bees this year.. you need to take a little paintbrush to the garden with you and do the bees' work yourself". He was right - I've had it rolling in since I started pollinating by hand.

439 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 7:32:17pm

re: #418 iceweasel

Would anyone suggest that it's counterproductive and stupid to not object to any example(s) of antisemitism?

I don't think so. Certainly not people here.

i don't know about anyone else, but you can swim back through my comments when the flotilla thing hit and you'll find me belaboring the point that asking whether what Israel did was wise is a fair question, while asking whether what they did was right is a stupid question.

i am not saying that what the NAACP did was unwise. i am saying that someone ought to be able to ask the question unemotionally and receive unemotional responses.

440 Ghost of Insanity  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 7:33:04pm

re: #437 Racer X

I recently discovered that I feel much better just ignoring posts I disagree with. I rarely downding. I derive a little bit of pleasure with every upding though (Karma enhancement just feels good). I'm pretty sure a unicorn gets it's wings every time I click the + button.

When do they get their horns?

441 What, me worry?  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 7:33:18pm

re: #425 Spare O'Lake

Imagine how much more influence they would have if they had a decent name...and better spelling on their signs.

And didn't say awful things about Black people.

But then they'd be liberals!

LOL!

442 researchok  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 7:34:02pm

re: #441 marjoriemoon

And didn't say awful things about Black people.

But then they'd be liberals!

LOL!

You are not a well person. I like that.

443 What, me worry?  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 7:34:54pm

re: #442 researchok

You are not a well person. I like that.

Thanks for understanding :) I like to tease.

444 windsagio  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 7:34:55pm

re: #439 Aceofwhat?

Back!

I trust you ace, fill me in :D

445 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 7:35:24pm

re: #439 Aceofwhat?

i don't know about anyone else, but you can swim back through my comments when the flotilla thing hit and you'll find me belaboring the point that asking whether what Israel did was wise is a fair question, while asking whether what they did was right is a stupid question.

i am not saying that what the NAACP did was unwise. i am saying that someone ought to be able to ask the question unemotionally and receive unemotional responses.

Oh, dear me. Why are you enganging in JADE?

Justify.
Argue.
Defend.
Explain.

446 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 7:35:38pm

re: #440 b_sharp

When do they get their horns?

hey...this is a family blog/

447 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 7:35:45pm

re: #135 b_sharp

I wonder if she is excluding statutory rape from purely violent rape?

Throughout history, girls were married and pregnant at extremely young ages, even younger than 13. She may have been looking at it from that angle, but if so, she totally ignored current moral sensibilities, which I might add, are backed by health issues. She made an ignorant appeal to what is called the naturalistic fallacy and acted stupidly.

She also ignored the fact that he drugged the girl and that he continued the assault after she said not to. If it had only been statutory, he'd be guilty, and if he had only drugged her, he'd be guilty, and if he'd only had sex after she said no, he'd be guilty. He hit the trifecta.

Women MY age in traditional cultures are often grandmas, but if you drug me and have intercourse with me against my will and word, it's still rape.

(Not that you don't know this, I'm just so damn mad at Whoopi.)

448 researchok  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 7:35:46pm

re: #443 marjoriemoon

Thanks for understanding :) I like to tease.

Dry humor. Absolutely nothing better.

449 What, me worry?  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 7:36:11pm

re: #424 Aceofwhat?

nope

Well then I missed something along the way. You should leave larger bread crumbs.

450 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 7:36:25pm

re: #444 windsagio

Back!

I trust you ace, fill me in :D

WHERE have you been? I'm dying to know what you think of the song in my nic...

451 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 7:36:31pm

Ace, comments are moving fast & I'm behind.

I just want to say, you got yourself involved friend! My main responses even though they were to you, were not to you specifically, more to the "theme"

Gah I hope that makes sense.

452 windsagio  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 7:37:05pm

re: #450 Aceofwhat?

Vegas for a fighting game tournament. I was 2 and out, but it was great.

They had MVC3 there!


Also, I'll watch it now :D

453 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 7:37:21pm

re: #449 marjoriemoon

Well then I missed something along the way. You should leave larger bread crumbs.

*smooch*

no problem! all is good...

454 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 7:37:22pm

re: #240 Stanley Sea

Lindsay Lohan said that, right? I believe she did.

She wears pants?

455 windsagio  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 7:37:23pm

re: #451 Stanley Sea

Hai, SS!

456 researchok  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 7:37:31pm

re: #451 Stanley Sea

Ace, comments are moving fast & I'm behind.

I just want to say, you got yourself involved friend! My main responses even though they were to you, were not to you specifically, more to the "theme"

Gah I hope that makes sense.

Get involved. Always good advice.

457 windsagio  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 7:37:57pm

re: #452 windsagio

Ace; its freakin' brilliant.

458 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 7:38:07pm

re: #451 Stanley Sea

Ace, comments are moving fast & I'm behind.

I just want to say, you got yourself involved friend! My main responses even though they were to you, were not to you specifically, more to the "theme"

Gah I hope that makes sense.

total sense. everyone's been swell...good work all around!

459 Ghost of Insanity  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 7:38:15pm

re: #439 Aceofwhat?

i don't know about anyone else, but you can swim back through my comments when the flotilla thing hit and you'll find me belaboring the point that asking whether what Israel did was wise is a fair question, while asking whether what they did was right is a stupid question.

i am not saying that what the NAACP did was unwise. i am saying that someone ought to be able to ask the question unemotionally and receive unemotional responses.

Racism is too visceral and recent to be able to discuss it completely unemotionally. It can be treated objectively, with difficulty, but trying to remove emotion is asking too much in this type of venue. I could do it if I was writing a paper, but this medium, or at least the way we treat this medium, is too immediate for the calm, cool, collected version to make an appearance.

460 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 7:39:03pm

re: #425 Spare O'Lake

Imagine how much more influence they would have if they had a decent name...and better spelling on their signs.

And consistency. Yes, consistency with their view of the Constitution.

461 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 7:39:06pm
462 Ghost of Insanity  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 7:39:32pm

re: #445 MandyManners

Oh, dear me. Why are you enganging in JADE?

Justify.
Argue.
Defend.
Explain.

Because he enjoys it.

463 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 7:40:09pm

re: #457 windsagio

Ace; its freakin' brilliant.

i thought this would be up your alley. that's my since-childhood friend on vocals...he's also the songwriter. i barely know the other guy.

they're in Chicago.

464 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 7:40:38pm

re: #459 b_sharp

Racism is too visceral and recent to be able to discuss it completely unemotionally. It can be treated objectively, with difficulty, but trying to remove emotion is asking too much in this type of venue. I could do it if I was writing a paper, but this medium, or at least the way we treat this medium, is too immediate for the calm, cool, collected version to make an appearance.

hmmm. well said.

465 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 7:40:40pm

re: #188 WindUpBird

That does have a certain appeal to it, yes :D

Of course it does. She's a wren.

466 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 7:41:02pm

re: #441 marjoriemoon

And didn't say awful things about Black people.

But then they'd be liberals!

LOL!

Yes...very SMART liberals.

467 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 7:41:30pm

re: #437 Racer X

I recently discovered that I feel much better just ignoring posts I disagree with. I rarely downding. I derive a little bit of pleasure with every upding though (Karma enhancement just feels good). I'm pretty sure a unicorn gets it's wings every time I click the + button.

Gotcha. My op: Up / down it's our right on this blog. It was created you know. I do agree with the "support your down ding if called out on it"

But to count and watch? ridiculous.

468 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 7:42:16pm

re: #462 b_sharp

Because he enjoys it.

Xactly. I'm not here for the lace and doilies...

469 Interesting Times  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 7:42:28pm

re: #438 cliffster

I was having trouble for awhile, and I was talking to my dad on the phone. "Ain't enough bees this year.. you need to take a little paintbrush to the garden with you and do the bees' work yourself". He was right - I've had it rolling in since I started pollinating by hand.

That segues perfectly into a BBC News article I just read:
Businesses 'profit from investing in nature'

Another is the agribusiness giant Syngenta, which recently launched Operation Pollinator, a scheme to restore important bee habitat.

The scheme is seen as a potential contribution to curbing the ongoing bee decline in Europe and North America.

One recent study put the global value of insect pollinators at $189bn per year - a classical example of the kind of "ecosystem service" that nature provides for free, and that humans would have to pay to replace if the natural system broke down.

Definitely recommend reading the whole thing - if nothing else, it should prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that environmental protection, far from being some hippie-dippy fallacy, is actually the best business decision a company can make.

470 Gus  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 7:42:40pm

re: #461 Killgore Trout

Koskidz are laughing it up tonight: Black Power's Gonna Get You Sucka: Right-Wing Paranoia and the Rhetoric of Modern Racism

Found this by way of that:

The Fox Cycle: From bogus right-wing attack to mainstream news

Excerpt:

New Black Panther story following a familiar pattern. Fox News' embrace of Adams' accusations against the Department of Justice are in keeping with a pattern observed in previous instances in which a bogus story has jumped from the conservative fringe to the mainstream media:

1. Right-wing bloggers, talk radio hosts, and other conservative media outlets start promoting and distorting the story.

2. Fox News picks up the story and gives it heavy, one-sided coverage.

3. Fox News and conservative media attack the "liberal media" for ignoring the distorted story.

4. Mainstream media outlets eventually cover the story, echoing the right-wing distortions.

5. Fox News receives credit for promoting the story.

6. The story is later proven to be false or wildly misleading, long after damage is done.

Doesn't that look familiar?

471 What, me worry?  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 7:44:14pm

re: #466 Spare O'Lake

Yes...very SMART liberals.

Ooo the distinction!

My mom got some emails from some friends to join the Coffee Party, the liberal mirror to the Teabagg... Tea Party People. Anyway, she's really too busy to participate and being elderly, probably wouldn't be able to attend all the events and such, but for a week, I kept asking her if she was a Coffeebagger yet.

472 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 7:45:25pm

re: #455 windsagio

Hai, SS!

Fun you had?

I just got invited to a wedding in Vegas, August 6th. You'd think in that heat the rooms were free. But nooo.

473 webevintage  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 7:46:30pm

This is the recipe I used for bread a number of times this year:
[Link: www.grouprecipes.com...]

It is no knead bread that is cooked in a dutch oven...not a normal loaf but very, very good.

474 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 7:46:32pm

re: #461 Killgore Trout

Koskidz are laughing it up tonight: Black Power's Gonna Get You Sucka: Right-Wing Paranoia and the Rhetoric of Modern Racism

booga booga!

475 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 7:46:35pm

re: #470 Gus 802

Doesn't that look familiar?


Sure does.

476 windsagio  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 7:47:48pm

re: #472 Stanley Sea

lol, if you don't mind a horror-movie deathmaze, you cna get pretty cheap rooms >>

477 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 7:47:51pm

re: #461 Killgore Trout

Koskidz are laughing it up tonight: Black Power's Gonna Get You Sucka: Right-Wing Paranoia and the Rhetoric of Modern Racism

"How'd he go to the bathroom with all that crap on?"

478 Ghost of Insanity  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 7:48:01pm

re: #468 Aceofwhat?

Xactly. I'm not here for the lace and doilies...

I enjoy a good debate too, perhaps a little too much.

479 Gus  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 7:48:15pm

re: #474 Stanley Sea

booga booga!

Increase the intensity!

Runaway! Runaway!

/

480 Gus  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 7:49:04pm

re: #479 Gus 802

Increase the intensity!

Run away! Run away!

/


Oops

481 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 7:49:19pm

re: #472 Stanley Sea

Fun you had?

I just got invited to a wedding in Vegas, August 6th. You'd think in that heat the rooms were free. But nooo.

GO SEE THE IMPERIAL PALACE

It's the House of Leaves of Vegas hotels, and it even has a hidden treasure in its heart!

482 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 7:49:26pm

re: #476 windsagio

lol, if you don't mind a horror-movie deathmaze, you cna get pretty cheap rooms >>

btw, what game was the tourney centered on?

483 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 7:50:38pm

re: #462 b_sharp

Because he enjoys it.

So say you.

484 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 7:51:31pm

re: #476 windsagio

lol, if you don't mind a horror-movie deathmaze, you cna get pretty cheap rooms >>

My Aunt lives there. I usually stay close to her, cheap. This time we are looking at the strip...I do love to play blackjack - theory - they get my $$ that way and I'm barely in my room!

Where was the confer you were at?

485 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 7:51:42pm

re: #483 MandyManners

So say you.

he's right. i'm a glutton for debate...

486 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 7:52:44pm

re: #471 marjoriemoon

Ooo the distinction!

My mom got some emails from some friends to join the Coffee Party, the liberal mirror to the Teabagg... Tea Party People. Anyway, she's really too busy to participate and being elderly, probably wouldn't be able to attend all the events and such, but for a week, I kept asking her if she was a Coffeebagger yet.

No sugar tonight in my coffee,
No sugar tonight in my tea,
No sugar to stand here beside me,
No sugar to comfort me...

487 windsagio  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 7:53:00pm

re: #482 Aceofwhat?

There were 6 events total.

The biggest one was Super Street Fighter 4, but they also had Marvel Vs Capcom 2, SSF2HDR, Tatsunoko vs. Capcom, Tekken 6, and some crappy game called Melty Blood.

All of them the biggest for that game in the country (for some of them, in the world).

I played SSF4.

488 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 7:53:17pm

re: #481 WindUpBird

GO SEE THE IMPERIAL PALACE

It's the House of Leaves of Vegas hotels, and it even has a hidden treasure in its heart!

I've stayed there before, always the cheapest. And yes, saw the car collection! You know, the wed is at Caesar's across the street...re-thinking...

489 windsagio  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 7:53:39pm

re: #484 Stanley Sea

It was at Caesars, got a double room at the imperial palace hte last day for 30 bucks... If you don't mind getting lost in the halls and general creepy awfulness.

490 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 7:53:52pm

re: #487 windsagio

There were 6 events total.

The biggest one was Super Street Fighter 4, but they also had Marvel Vs Capcom 2, SSF2HDR, Tatsunoko vs. Capcom, Tekken 6, and some crappy game called Melty Blood.

All of them the biggest for that game in the country (for some of them, in the world).

I played SSF4.

Nice. What character?

491 windsagio  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 7:54:22pm

re: #488 Stanley Sea

SO YOU KNOW!

I love the escalator you take to an elevator that takes you to an escalator. Also the elevator that dropped 6 inches all of a sudden while we were in it :D

492 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 7:54:36pm

re: #470 Gus 802

Fox also makes use of a technique that combines 1 and 2: Glenn Beck or another real nutty opinion guy on Fox says something outlandish, which is then laundered into a much more mellow "some people say" version of the crazy story by the news anchors (Chris Wallace, etc) and then given more legitimacy.

it's all basically masks and mirrors, different costumes over the same extremist apparatus. There's no distinction between Glenn Beck and Chris Wallace, it's all the same machinery, they're both cogs, they work in service of the same talking points, the same nonsense.

493 Ghost of Insanity  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 7:54:36pm

re: #483 MandyManners

So say you.

So says Ace.

494 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 7:54:55pm

re: #256 erraticsphinx

There was an episode of Cops where the kid claimed he just found the bag of marijuana on the floor where he worked, and he had no idea what it was.

The cop called his friend from work, who he found the bag with, and his story actually checked out.

They took the marijuana to destroy it, and the kid got off free. I cried.

My favorite COPS moment ever:

COP: (In Southern drawl) OK, sir, do you want to know how I knew you had been smoking marijuana this evening, even before you admitted it to us?

PERP: Huuuh? Nooo.

COP leans forward slowly, so as not to scare the perp, and gently takes a joint from behind his ear.

495 Gus  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 7:55:01pm

Meltdown

Must be nice.

496 webevintage  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 7:55:18pm

If you have $3.595 million laying around Marilyn Monroe's Brentwood house is for sale:
[Link: la.curbed.com...]

497 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 7:55:43pm

re: #489 windsagio

It was at Caesars, got a double room at the imperial palace hte last day for 30 bucks... If you don't mind getting lost in the halls and general creepy awfulness.

It is OLD, very old. Ballys is there too, need to check it out.

Rio, across the highway from the strip is very reasonable, and all rooms are suites.

blah blah, it's going to be AUGUST IN LAS VEGAS. Nothing but the heat will be remembered. ha.

498 windsagio  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 7:56:22pm

re: #490 Aceofwhat?

Blanka. I can't combo worth a damn, so I do what I can.

The hero of the tourney was an unknown Taiwanese guy called "Bruce Gamer Bee". He was awesome.

Gamerbee:

He's so cool!

499 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 7:56:37pm

re: #488 Stanley Sea

I've stayed there before, always the cheapest. And yes, saw the car collection! You know, the wed is at Caesar's across the street...re-thinking...

They had a Ford RS200, and a Buick GNX and a Jag XJ220 and a GSDUHFKFVJHfgkf *flails*

500 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 7:56:38pm

re: #483 MandyManners

So say you.

besides, no one called me a bigot tonight...it was a good night;)

501 Ghost of Insanity  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 7:56:58pm

re: #491 windsagio

SO YOU KNOW!

I love the escalator you take to an elevator that takes you to an escalator. Also the elevator that dropped 6 inches all of a sudden while we were in it :D

You be very weird.

502 windsagio  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 7:57:18pm

re: #497 Stanley Sea

Just never go outside >>

Evo last year was at the RIO. Next year when I go alone, I'm staying at the Imperial Palace for sure.

503 Gus  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 7:57:25pm

re: #492 WindUpBird

Fox also makes use of a technique that combines 1 and 2: Glenn Beck or another real nutty opinion guy on Fox says something outlandish, which is then laundered into a much more mellow "some people say" version of the crazy story by the news anchors (Chris Wallace, etc) and then given more legitimacy.

it's all basically masks and mirrors, different costumes over the same extremist apparatus. There's no distinction between Glenn Beck and Chris Wallace, it's all the same machinery, they're both cogs, they work in service of the same talking points, the same nonsense.

Yep. They follow something like a master script. Probably the working of Roger Aisles and company. Even Red Eye follows the script.

504 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 7:57:26pm

re: #495 Gus 802

Meltdown

Must be nice.

Yeah, really nice.

ugh

505 windsagio  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 7:57:39pm

re: #500 Aceofwhat?

*bigot*

506 Bagua  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 7:57:40pm

re: #500 Aceofwhat?

besides, no one called me a bigot tonight...it was a good night;)

The night is young.

507 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 7:57:56pm

re: #496 webevintage

If you have $3.595 million laying around Marilyn Monroe's Brentwood house is for sale:
[Link: la.curbed.com...]

beautiful, but creepy.

508 zora  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 7:58:14pm

good evening, lizards

the naacp would have been remiss not to address the tea party movement in some shape or fashion. if they did not they would be the only minorities in this country not talking about the tea partiers. these people are scary. like kkk scary. it's not a secret. when they say that they want their country back, i can assure that black people aren't envisioning mayberry. or the little house on the prairie.

509 Ghost of Insanity  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 7:58:52pm

re: #500 Aceofwhat?

besides, no one called me a bigot tonight...it was a good night;)

We can rectify that if you want.

510 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 7:59:12pm

re: #503 Gus 802

Red Eye is sorta like Fox and Friends but with Z grade comedians instead of plastic action figures reading the lines :D

511 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 7:59:44pm

re: #502 windsagio

Just never go outside >>

Evo last year was at the RIO. Next year when I go alone, I'm staying at the Imperial Palace for sure.

Oh yeah, how were the "roomies" ??? good stories? traumas? or all good fun?

512 Gus  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 7:59:48pm

re: #504 Stanley Sea

Yeah, really nice.

ugh

Almost 2 years to the day when the walls fell. The super economic elites never suffer. Finally today, Ben Bernanke said something regarding the bank and lending institution cutting out small business lending. They got the billions and hoarded it for the most part.

513 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:00:14pm

re: #497 Stanley Sea

I work the infamous "JCK" jewelry show there in June almost every year. One year it was 100 plus, then it poured. The temperature went to maybe 90, the clouds cleared it was 105 again. The sidewalks literally steamed. Worlds largest sauna. All in 30 minutes. A sauna surrounding the worlds largest collection of temporary wealth. 4 billion $ in jewelry under one roof. Oh, and a few tens of thousands in ruined hair and suits.

514 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:00:28pm

re: #339 erraticsphinx

If there are female Afghan police officers who still get to wear burkas on the job, that is officially the scariest thing ever for a criminal in Afghanistan.

I think the kind of outfit Iranian lady government officials wear would probably be more comfortable, but hell, if they wanna patrol in burqas, Lord love 'em.

However, seeing as my father once served in a small Southern California sheriff's department back when they first got lady deputies, I should warn the Kabul PD that a-line skirts in a foot pursuit are a BAD idea.

515 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:01:06pm

re: #512 Gus 802

Almost 2 years to the day when the walls fell. The super economic elites never suffer. Finally today, Ben Bernanke said something regarding the bank and lending institution cutting out small business lending. They got the billions and hoarded it for the most part.

Pay no attention!


In b4 wails of omg class warfare

516 Gus  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:01:15pm

re: #510 WindUpBird

Red Eye is sorta like Fox and Friends but with Z grade comedians instead of plastic action figures reading the lines :D

They occasionally have Pam Geller as a guest. It's also not uncommon for Andy Levy to Tweet Allahpundit and other right wing bloggers from time to time.

517 webevintage  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:01:33pm

re: #507 Stanley Sea

beautiful, but creepy.

Yeah...creepy, but great pool.

I love online house listings...
Especially mid century modern homes that have not be renovated:
[Link: la.curbed.com...]

518 windsagio  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:01:36pm

re: #511 Stanley Sea

We had some 'grumpy girlfriend' schtick.

But with hindsight, 12 hours in a room watching finals is alot to ask of someone who doesn't like the genre.


Rest was pretty much par for the course for those 2, good and bad :D

519 windsagio  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:02:08pm

re: #518 windsagio

those 2 being the roomies. Ask WUB ;)

520 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:02:14pm

re: #513 Rightwingconspirator

I work the infamous "JCK" jewelry show there in June almost every year. One year it was 100 plus, then it poured. The temperature went to maybe 90, the clouds cleared it was 105 again. The sidewalks literally steamed. Worlds largest sauna. All in 30 minutes. A sauna surrounding the worlds largest collection of temporary wealth. 4 billion $ in jewelry under one roof. Oh, and a few tens of thousands in ruined hair and suits.

I would love to go see that show though. Yeah June, been there then & it's miserable. My Aunt always warns me: It's a long way from one parking lot to another (maybe a mile even) BE CAREFUL! lol

521 [deleted]  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:02:17pm
522 HoosierHoops  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:02:23pm

re: #510 WindUpBird

Red Eye is sorta like Fox and Friends but with Z grade comedians instead of plastic action figures reading the lines :D

Yet I would marry any girl on Red Eye without knowing her first name...
/

523 Gus  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:02:27pm

re: #515 WindUpBird

Pay no attention!

In b4 wails of omg class warfare

Hey! We shouldn't think about that! We should be thinking about poor people allegedly cashing welfare checks at liquor stores.

//

524 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:02:39pm

re: #516 Gus 802

They occasionally have Pam Geller as a guest. It's also not uncommon for Andy Levy to Tweet Allahpundit and other right wing bloggers from time to time.

It's all a coincidence, I assure you :D

525 windsagio  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:02:48pm

So anyhoo, someone fill me in on political news.

The night I left everything was still Effing insane on here, so not much discussion was happenin'. ;)

526 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:02:49pm

!

527 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:02:52pm

re: #409 WindUpBird

If it were the ADL and not the NAACP, would anyone be pushing back on them here?

I suspect so.

528 [deleted]  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:03:15pm
529 windsagio  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:03:29pm

re: #521 MandyManners

actually had to upding. Thanks for posting a good song for once :D

530 Gus  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:03:54pm

Here we go again! And away we go!

531 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:04:00pm

re: #517 webevintage

Yeah...creepy, but great pool.

I love online house listings...
Especially mid century modern homes that have not be renovated:
[Link: la.curbed.com...]

We have exactly the same taste.

532 windsagio  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:04:21pm

re: #530 Gus 802

You can't blame me for this one! I was talking about Evo still!

533 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:04:30pm

re: #519 windsagio

those 2 being the roomies. Ask WUB ;)

Getting married too eh? haha. Sorry.

534 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:04:50pm

re: #521 MandyManners

Mr. Marvin Gaye.

[Video]All you fucking dare-not-be-labeled Progs take note:

How are you this evening, Mandy?

535 Gus  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:04:59pm

re: #532 windsagio

You can't blame me for this one! I was talking about Evo still!

OK I'll just put my hands in my pockets and kick some dirt down the road.

536 What, me worry?  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:04:59pm

re: #517 webevintage

Yeah...creepy, but great pool.

I love online house listings...
Especially mid century modern homes that have not be renovated:
[Link: la.curbed.com...]

That looks more California like. Marilyn's home is more Florida like, my style heh. Her home is really lovely. Paulson can keep his compound in Colorado.

537 windsagio  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:05:01pm

re: #533 Stanley Sea

>> Not me brother!

538 windsagio  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:05:25pm

re: #535 Gus 802

:D

Just want to be clear on who felt the need to pick a fight, that's all ;)

539 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:05:30pm

re: #498 windsagio

Blanka. I can't combo worth a damn, so I do what I can.

The hero of the tourney was an unknown Taiwanese guy called "Bruce Gamer Bee". He was awesome.

Gamerbee:


[Video]He's so cool!

yeah, so i just watched that entire video.

540 [deleted]  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:05:33pm
541 [deleted]  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:06:09pm
542 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:06:30pm

re: #505 windsagio

*bigot*

Score!

543 Ebetty  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:06:43pm

re: #521 MandyManners

Great choices. Love Marvin Gaye. Hope all is well with you tonight.

544 Millicent Islam  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:06:58pm

re: #521 MandyManners

Mr. Marvin Gaye.

[Video]All you fucking dare-not-be-labeled --- take note:

Deleted on the AM thread for this shit earlier today and you're at it again.

What. The. Fuck.

545 windsagio  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:07:30pm

re: #539 Aceofwhat?

haha does it make sense to an outsider, or not? :D

PS: Another link, but only watch if you're a bit geeky or you'll get hives.

The game I'm really looking forward to coming out next year (Gameplay actually really does look a TON like htat too, considering)

546 Bagua  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:07:33pm

re: #543 Ebetty

Great choices. Love Marvin Gaye. Hope all is well with you tonight.

Bagua knows his former chef as a personal friend.

547 Millicent Islam  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:07:43pm

re: #530 Gus 802

Here we go again! And away we go!

Yeah, I'm done. What the fuck?

548 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:08:09pm

re: #543 Ebetty

Great choices. Love Marvin Gaye. Hope all is well with you tonight.

And, with you?

549 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:08:13pm

re: #537 windsagio

>> Not me brother!

Not you, but the lovely couple. See I've been there before & can just in my prurient mind, imagine!!!

550 wee fury  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:08:33pm

Marvin Gaye is so good.

551 Ebetty  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:08:51pm

re: #546 Bagua

Um, wow. Speechless.

552 Bagua  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:08:58pm

re: #550 wee fury

Marvin Gaye is so good.

A legend!

553 windsagio  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:09:05pm

re: #549 Stanley Sea

Haha, in a cool touch, in 10 years they wanna do a renewal of their vows, as a really sleazy Vegas wedding.

I of course think it's an awesome idea, altho' we'll all be old and gnarled by then :D

554 darthstar  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:09:40pm

re: #7 Bagua

Yay!!! (translation: It's about fucking time.)

555 [deleted]  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:09:42pm
556 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:09:47pm

re: #535 Gus 802

OK I'll just put my hands in my pockets and kick some dirt down the road.

ping-pong anyone?

557 Cato the Elder  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:09:55pm

If only the folks at the NAACP would wake up and smell the roses blooming in every corner of this great postracial society of ours, disband their organization, and donate the proceeds to the freedom-loving Tea Party, everything would be just fine.

Why can't some people understand that?

558 Gus  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:10:06pm

re: #556 Aceofwhat?

ping-pong anyone?

Pocket pool.

559 Bagua  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:10:32pm

re: #551 Ebetty

Um, wow. Speechless.

It's true. I have a photo of him and Marvin leaning against a sports car back in the day.

560 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:10:52pm

re: #558 Gus 802

Pocket pool.

Lucky

561 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:11:00pm

re: #520 Stanley Sea

The Platinum Guild Pavilion is just astonishing. Talk about a concentration of talented designers. OMG. Claudia Kretchmer, look at these two links, yes the same amazing talented brilliant lady.

I am biased her dad was a mentor & friend to me. Astrophysics and metallurgy and great jewelry design.

562 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:11:03pm

re: #528 MandyManners

Bobbsey Twins working hard?

Okay.

A little advice from me to you, because I do this internet thing pretty well. I've been arguing on these sorts of digital forum thingies since the 1980s.

You just came in here out of nowhere and just started in with unfocused aggression against us when we're talking about how cool old Vegas Hotels and 80's Buicks are. This makes you look out of control, like an angry non-sequitur. This is bad internet strategy.

The thing is, what you want to do, is get into the discussion, and then in the service of the discussion, THEN you start taking shots at us. That's the way to look good and get your needs met. You need a delivery system, you need a subject.

Right now, you're just swinging at nothing. You're in a boxing ring by yourself.

563 Ebetty  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:11:13pm

re: #548 MandyManners

Long day with work, but its all good. You?

564 [deleted]  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:11:18pm
565 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:12:08pm

re: #521 MandyManners

I heard it on the grapevine,
Not much longer would you be mine,
Honey, honey, yeah...

566 Millicent Islam  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:12:19pm

re: #498 windsagio

Windy! Welcome back! What's up, how was it?

567 Cato the Elder  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:12:35pm

I nominate "an angry non-sequitur" as a new rotating title!

568 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:12:51pm

re: #545 windsagio

haha does it make sense to an outsider, or not? :D

PS: Another link, but only watch if you're a bit geeky or you'll get hives.

The game I'm really looking forward to coming out next year (Gameplay actually really does look a TON like htat too, considering)


[Video]

Dude, i've barely played SS4 but i was a SS2 GOD...ok, when you're the SS2 god of Cleveland, you're a minor deity at best, but still. Yeah, except for the combo meter down at the bottom, i knew exactly what i was watching. My fingers started twitching.

BTW, i can't believe you play BLANKA...hahaha...it must have just been the NE Ohio shallow talent pool, but once i got really fast with the ShoRyuKen, i never lost to Blanka again;)

569 albusteve  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:12:53pm

re: #562 WindUpBird

lecture time!
ho hum
scroll

570 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:12:57pm

re: #561 Rightwingconspirator

The Platinum Guild Pavilion is just astonishing. Talk about a concentration of talented designers. OMG. Claudia Kretchmer, look at these two links, yes the same amazing talented brilliant lady.

I am biased her dad was a mentor & friend to me. Astrophysics and metallurgy and great jewelry design.

Gasp.

571 Bagua  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:13:14pm

re: #554 darthstar

Yay!!! (translation: It's about fucking time.)

It really does look like an endgame. If this does not rupture, they can contain 100% of the oil and gas.

If the relief well does not work, they can either shut it off, or connect it to pipelines for a permanent solution.

It has all gone so smoothly, none of the contingencies have been needed, hard to believe.

572 windsagio  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:13:17pm

re: #566 iceweasel

Most excellent as always!

One of my friends that went shouldn't be in vegas, but that was the only tough bit >>

(a little nervous because its POSSIBLE they'll read this, and hten I'm hosed :p)

573 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:13:27pm

re: #562 WindUpBird

Okay.

A little advice from me to you, because I do this internet thing pretty well. I've been arguing on these sorts of digital forum thingies since the 1980s.

You just came in here out of nowhere and just started in with unfocused aggression against us when we're talking about how cool old Vegas Hotels and 80's Buicks are. This makes you look out of control, like an angry non-sequitur. This is bad internet strategy.

The thing is, what you want to do, is get into the discussion, and then in the service of the discussion, THEN you start taking shots at us. That's the way to look good and get your needs met. You need a delivery system, you need a subject.

Right now, you're just swinging at nothing. You're in a boxing ring by yourself.

Must concur with your assessment.

574 [deleted]  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:13:35pm
575 Ebetty  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:13:39pm

re: #559 Bagua

Too effing cool. Like finding treasure! I love Marvin Gaye, remember my parents dancing to him in our kitchen when I was a kid. How cool.

576 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:14:02pm

And now, back to the awesome!

Here's an RS200 defying the laws of physics:

Group B rally is strictly for lunatics :D

577 Nimed  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:14:31pm

re: #439 Aceofwhat?

i don't know about anyone else, but you can swim back through my comments when the flotilla thing hit and you'll find me belaboring the point that asking whether what Israel did was wise is a fair question, while asking whether what they did was right is a stupid question.

i am not saying that what the NAACP did was unwise. i am saying that someone ought to be able to ask the question unemotionally and receive unemotional responses.

re: #409 WindUpBird

If it were the ADL and not the NAACP, would anyone be pushing back on them here?

Personally, on both subjects I prefer to risk the possibility of being concern trolled for a while than having an environment in each you are constantly trying to guess the hidden motives of others. People repeatedly attributed nefarious motives to darthstar, windsagio and other commenters (including me) in discussions concerning the flotilla, the blockade and Israel's policy. After a while, it gets so tiring to defend yourself from ridiculous accusations (NO, I WASN'T SAYING THAT!) that in practice these issues are not up for discussion.

(sorry, multitasking heavily tonight. This might be slightly off-topic)

578 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:14:47pm

re: #562 WindUpBird

What happens in Vegas,
Stays in Vegas!

LOL!

579 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:15:11pm

re: #557 Cato the Elder

If only the folks at the NAACP would wake up and smell the roses blooming in every corner of this great postracial society of ours, disband their organization, and donate the proceeds to the freedom-loving Tea Party, everything would be just fine.

Why can't some people understand that?

Who exactly thinks America is post-racial?
Not even Obama, the peddler of that stupid meme, ever believed it.

580 darthstar  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:15:16pm

re: #571 Bagua

It really does look like an endgame. If this does not rupture, they can contain 100% of the oil and gas.

If the relief well does not work, they can either shut it off, or connect it to pipelines for a permanent solution.

It has all gone so smoothly, none of the contingencies have been needed, hard to believe.


If you don't count the last 80 days or so...there's still several million gallons of poison that the Gulf needs to absorb, and countless fish, dolphins, whale sharks, turtles, and birds which are still dead.

581 windsagio  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:15:21pm

re: #568 Aceofwhat?

Its different now, by a ton.

Blanka is really good for me because I can't do dman combos, and you don't have to with him.

He's WAY better than he was in SF2 tho', you just have to know who can dragon punch you out of the roll >>

582 Bagua  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:15:47pm

re: #575 Ebetty

Too effing cool. Like finding treasure! I love Marvin Gaye, remember my parents dancing to him in our kitchen when I was a kid. How cool.

Yes, my friend is a treasure. Lot's of fun too. I'll likely meet up with him in the winter if I make it over to Paris for the Lizard picnic.

583 HoosierHoops  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:15:52pm

re: #575 Ebetty

Too effing cool. Like finding treasure! I love Marvin Gaye, remember my parents dancing to him in our kitchen when I was a kid. How cool.

Kissing a girl to Marvin Gaye playing in the background in High School..Classic moments

584 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:16:45pm

re: #578 Floral Giraffe

What happens in Vegas,
Stays in Vegas!

LOL!

Ya know what the Vegas cops say about Las Vegas? Come on vacation, leave on probation.

585 Ghost of Insanity  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:17:09pm

re: #530 Gus 802

Here we go again! And away we go!

Sounds like I missed something this morning.

586 [deleted]  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:17:13pm
587 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:17:20pm

Grr.

588 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:17:27pm

re: #545 windsagio

haha does it make sense to an outsider, or not? :D

PS: Another link, but only watch if you're a bit geeky or you'll get hives.

The game I'm really looking forward to coming out next year (Gameplay actually really does look a TON like htat too, considering)


[Video]

nice. at first, i saw Marvel V Capcom and thought 'not again', but if it looks like that, i'm buying one of those mammoth joystick controllers...

589 Gus  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:17:28pm

I see Stinky's footprints already.

590 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:18:13pm

re: #578 Floral Giraffe

What happens in Vegas,
Stays in Vegas!

LOL!

I wish I had done something that could have lived up to that. All I did was eat too much, drink too much, bitch about the heat, and go to Cirque Du Soleil shows :D

Oh yeah, and there was an attendant at Treasure Island who said "welcome to the bathroom!" when I went in. I thought it was a goof, but it was real!

591 freetoken  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:18:17pm

On Topic (heh):

Glenn Beck Asks Why America Will Focus On Mel Gibson’s Racism But Not The DOJ’s

So America, who’s your favorite racist? Today, Glenn Beck focused a long segment on comparing the media’s wall to wall coverage of Mel Gibson’s racist tirade to the comparative silence on the Black Panther voter intimidation story. Showing similar (and similarly hate-filled) videos from Gibson and Black Panther King Samir Shabazz, Beck wondered aloud what possible motivations could be behind the news media favoring one over the other.


The obvious answer, as the mediaite writer explains, is that Mad Mel is a world-renowned celeb, and stories about 2008 US primaries are pretty passe.

Video at link.

592 Ebetty  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:18:44pm

re: #583 HoosierHoops

Ahhh, good times. They played The Cure when I was in high school. Not near as cool. Explains why I waited until I could listen to Lou Reed at the Fillmore in SFO. Also, not as cool as Marvin Gaye!!!

593 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:19:07pm

re: #558 Gus 802

Pocket pool.

rack 'em. i'll pour the drinks.

594 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:19:09pm

re: #579 Spare O'Lake

Who exactly thinks America is post-racial?
Not even Obama, the peddler of that stupid meme, ever believed it.

Dunno what Obama said on the subject, but I run across plenty of people who insist that America is post-racial--except, of course, for those people trying to keep it alive for profit, and to oppress white people like the speaker.

595 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:19:24pm

OK, folks, posts just got deleted. Let's make sure we don't fight, I'd rather that Charles not start to hand out time-outs.

596 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:19:32pm

re: #580 darthstar

If you don't count the last 80 days or so...there's still several million gallons of poison that the Gulf needs to absorb, and countless fish, dolphins, whale sharks, turtles, and birds which are still dead.

You have to take the really long view, eventually a lot of those dead animals will turn into oil for us to dig up in several million years, when we know what the fuck we're doing.

597 Bagua  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:20:38pm

re: #596 goddamnedfrank

You have to take the really long view, eventually a lot of those dead animals will turn into oil for us to dig up in several million years, when we know what the fuck we're doing.

Excellent.

598 Ghost of Insanity  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:21:02pm

re: #569 albusteve

lecture time!
ho hum
scroll

Walk the walk.

599 windsagio  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:21:24pm

re: #588 Aceofwhat?

The characters and effects look that good.

Camera doesn't fly around like crazy like that of course >>

Gameplay (sadly bad feed, they're actually as shiny and such if not more so in person):

600 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:21:28pm

re: #579 Spare O'Lake

Who exactly thinks America is post-racial?
Not even Obama, the peddler of that stupid meme, ever believed it.

How exactly did Obama peddle that meme? Links?

601 wee fury  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:21:30pm

Charles -- My comment about Marvin Gaye was deleted. I don't know why. Did I do something bad?

602 Bagua  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:22:00pm

re: #580 darthstar

If you don't count the last 80 days or so...there's still several million gallons of poison that the Gulf needs to absorb, and countless fish, dolphins, whale sharks, turtles, and birds which are still dead.

I mean contingencies for the hot stab of the 3-Ram Cap. On that time-line, nothing went wrong. Before that, much went wrong.

603 windsagio  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:22:00pm

re: #595 Dark_Falcon

dude, what?

Quit playing enabler.

604 Bagua  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:22:53pm

re: #601 wee fury

Charles -- My comment about Marvin Gaye was deleted. I don't know why. Did I do something bad?

Not everyone loves his music.

605 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:23:00pm

re: #584 Rightwingconspirator

Ya know what the Vegas cops say about Las Vegas? Come on vacation, leave on probation.

Arrive by plane,
leave by bus!

LOL!

606 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:23:14pm
607 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:23:18pm

re: #591 freetoken

On Topic (heh):

Glenn Beck Asks Why America Will Focus On Mel Gibson’s Racism But Not The DOJ’s


The obvious answer, as the mediaite writer explains, is that Mad Mel is a world-renowned celeb, and stories about 2008 US primaries are pretty passe.

Video at link.

Beck still persists in seeing Eric Holder in the worst possible light. I think Holder should have had those Panther assholes prosecuted but the fact that he did not does not make him a racist. This is just another attempt by Beck to play the victim card.

608 HoosierHoops  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:23:51pm

re: #592 Ebetty

Ahhh, good times. They played The Cure when I was in high school. Not near as cool. Explains why I waited until I could listen to Lou Reed at the Fillmore in SFO. Also, not as cool as Marvin Gaye!!!

I loved being near the City for music...We got our drivers license and drove to the Cow Palace to see the Who or Day on the Green...

609 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:23:55pm

re: #603 windsagio

dude, what?

Quit playing enabler.

I think the intent is 'peacemaker'. Of course, we all know what happens to the guy in the Westerns who tries to break up the bar fight.

610 wee fury  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:23:58pm

re: #604 Bagua

O.

611 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:23:58pm

re: #592 Ebetty

Ahhh, good times. They played The Cure when I was in high school. Not near as cool. Explains why I waited until I could listen to Lou Reed at the Fillmore in SFO. Also, not as cool as Marvin Gaye!!!

The Cure grabs me far more than Marvin Gaye, but I accept I am in a certain demographic that responds well to Robert Smith :D

612 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:24:05pm

re: #603 windsagio

dude, what?

Quit playing enabler.

que? Homey's sincere. And agreed with WUB's excellent riposte.

613 lostlakehiker  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:24:07pm

re: #31 Racer X

I was pretty sure the image was going to be of something else.

Dream on.

614 Millicent Islam  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:24:09pm

re: #603 windsagio

dude, what?

Quit playing enabler.

The overnight thread from this morning explains it all.

615 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:25:01pm

re: #604 Bagua

Not everyone loves his music.

gold medal for deadpan awesome.

616 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:25:06pm

re: #603 windsagio

dude, what?

Quit playing enabler.

That's not my intention. I just don't want to see people get into trouble.

617 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:25:12pm

re: #607 Dark_Falcon

Beck still persists in seeing Eric Holder in the worst possible light. I think Holder should have had those Panther assholes prosecuted but the fact that he did not does not make him a racist. This is just another attempt by Beck to play the victim card.

The paper in my in-laws' town ran a political cartoon showing Holder standing with a Panther, and saying "Keep walking, cracker" to Lady Justice. I took a real deep breath.

618 windsagio  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:25:22pm

re: #609 SanFranciscoZionist

There's a pattern in this 'peacemaking', and I"ll leave it at that, since I don't wanna be the asshole either :P

re: #614 iceweasel

Sooo not going back to see!

619 wee fury  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:25:44pm

Isn't this special. I'm getting downdinged. For asking a question. :D

620 acacia  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:25:46pm

re: #5 albusteve

If one accepts the premise that criticism of Obama is racist, then this must be racist too.

621 Millicent Islam  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:25:55pm

re: #572 windsagio

Most excellent as always!

One of my friends that went shouldn't be in vegas, but that was the only tough bit >>

(a little nervous because its POSSIBLE they'll read this, and hten I'm hosed :p)

Uhoh. Well, I'm glad you had a good time. great to have you back. I love Vegas myself. :)

622 Bagua  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:25:56pm

re: #615 Aceofwhat?

gold medal for deadpan awesome.

Thanks mate, most of my jokes fall flat.

623 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:26:13pm

re: #617 SanFranciscoZionist

The paper in my in-laws' town ran a political cartoon showing Holder standing with a Panther, and saying "Keep walking, cracker" to Lady Justice. I took a real deep breath.

Oh my.

Oh my.

624 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:26:31pm

Apparently the last warnings didn't take.

625 windsagio  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:26:37pm

re: #621 iceweasel

Probably just me being nervous, so what the hell!

Short version: Somebody with really bad crowd anxiety doesn't do well on the Las Vegas strip ;)

626 darthstar  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:27:01pm

re: #602 Bagua

I mean contingencies for the hot stab of the 3-Ram Cap. On that time-line, nothing went wrong. Before that, much went wrong.

Yes, I'm glad that this strategy worked. I rooted for all the other failed strategies, even though I knew they'd fail. At least now they have something they can build quickly in the future to cap wells when this happens, so when the next disaster hits, they can build a 3-Ram cap (or better yet, build a couple to have in case of emergency), drop the fucker on the BOP, and stop the leak in two weeks or less. That's called an emergency contingency plan.

In other words, even though this first, second, third, fourthfifth attempt to stem the spill seems to have worked, my confidence in the oil industry is unchanged, and I think they should suffer until the Gulf and southern coast of the United States are no longer suffering as a result of this disaster.

627 Millicent Islam  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:27:05pm

re: #618 windsagio

There's a pattern in this 'peacemaking', and I"ll leave it at that, since I don't wanna be the asshole either :P

re: #614 iceweasel

Sooo not going back to see!

Definitely don't.

628 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:27:08pm

re: #609 SanFranciscoZionist

I think the intent is 'peacemaker'. Of course, we all know what happens to the guy in the Westerns who tries to break up the bar fight.

Thanks, SFZ. Though I'm often the diplomat, it's true.

629 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:27:45pm

re: #620 acacia

If one accepts the premise that criticism of Obama is racist, then this must be racist too.

What the hell is this fear of being called a racist. Either you are or you aren't, look into your own soul. Lashing out about it just seems...uh, weird.

630 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:27:54pm

re: #620 acacia

If one accepts the premise that criticism of Obama is racist, then this must be racist too.

Who accepts that premise, again?

631 Ghost of Insanity  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:28:09pm

re: #616 Dark_Falcon

That's not my intention. I just don't want to see people get into trouble.

Nice that you care D_F, but it's her/his choice.

Some get off on conflict and are willing to incite it to get a fix.

632 austin_blue  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:28:33pm

re: #383 reine.de.tout

Wear them.
Just the pearls.

The perfect accessory for l'amour.

633 Ebetty  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:28:33pm

re: #608 HoosierHoops

Love the Cow Palace. Seeing the Who? Wow. I loved SFO, saw David Bowie twice. Used to listen to Chris Isaak jam at the Savoy. I don't know if tht place is still around but what a great town. Haven't been there in years. Love it.

634 jaunte  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:29:24pm

re: #624 Charles

In other news, I just finished a new drawing of 'the other' McCain; I have to scan and clean it up a bit, and will send it on to you tomorrow.

635 Ebetty  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:29:59pm

re: #611 WindUpBird

Robert Smith is great. Loved Boris whatshisname that was the original drummer. From that era though, I have to go with Martin Gore or Dave Gahan from Depeche Mode.

636 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:30:03pm

re: #628 Dark_Falcon

Thanks, SFZ. Though I'm often the diplomat, it's true.

That is a hilarious site!

637 Learned Mother of Zion  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:30:18pm

Hey honcos. What'd I miss?

638 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:30:26pm

re: #594 SanFranciscoZionist

Dunno what Obama said on the subject, but I run across plenty of people who insist that America is post-racial--except, of course, for those people trying to keep it alive for profit, and to oppress white people like the speaker.

You dunno?
You run across plenty?
Profit?
Speaker?
Wow, what a load...
Racism has been and remains alive and well in America. You know it, I know it, the New Black Panthers know it, the NAACP knows it...and Obama sure as hell knows it.

639 darthstar  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:30:26pm

re: #624 Charles

Apparently the last warnings didn't take.

Continue the beatings until morale improves.
:)

640 windsagio  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:31:01pm

re: #629 Stanley Sea

I woulda said 'guilty conscience' but I'm mean >>

641 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:31:12pm

re: #638 Spare O'Lake

Booga booga BOO!

642 What, me worry?  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:31:16pm

re: #620 acacia

If one accepts the premise that criticism of Obama is racist, then this must be racist too.

Criticism? How is this criticism?

643 Nimed  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:31:47pm

re: #603 windsagio

dude, what?

Quit playing enabler.

re: #609 SanFranciscoZionist

I think the intent is 'peacemaker'. Of course, we all know what happens to the guy in the Westerns who tries to break up the bar fight.

o_o. I'm definitely missing something here. Oh, well...

644 Learned Mother of Zion  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:31:56pm

I watched about an hour of "Shutter Island" until Teh Suck created a singularity.

645 Interesting Times  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:32:13pm

re: #617 SanFranciscoZionist

The paper in my in-laws' town ran a political cartoon showing Holder standing with a Panther, and saying "Keep walking, cracker" to Lady Justice. I took a real deep breath.

Darleen Glick works for that paper as well?

646 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:32:18pm

re: #640 windsagio

I woulda said 'guilty conscience' but I'm mean >>

No, you are probably right.

I always say this about people I encounter when they imply something about you that you are clueless to recognize. "they are looking in the mirror"

647 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:32:52pm

re: #638 Spare O'Lake

You dunno?
You run across plenty?
Profit?
Speaker?
Wow, what a load...
Racism has been and remains alive and well in America. You know it, I know it, the New Black Panthers know it, the NAACP knows it...and Obama sure as hell knows it.

True, but the NAACP and Obama try to do something about it, while the Panther assholes wallow in it.

648 HoosierHoops  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:33:14pm

re: #633 Ebetty

Love the Cow Palace. Seeing the Who? Wow. I loved SFO, saw David Bowie twice. Used to listen to Chris Isaak jam at the Savoy. I don't know if tht place is still around but what a great town. Haven't been there in years. Love it.

Oh heck..Nice meeting you..I grew up in Napa..We always drove to the City to see music...Saturday nights in the Great American Music Hall during College..I have so many Stories...Love the Bay Area...

649 austin_blue  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:33:18pm

re: #430 freetoken

Here's the link Wikipedia references when it says " Actual production approached capacity in March 2009, but started to decline soon after that.[3]"

[Link: www.theoildrum.com...]

If Thunderhorse really is producing only 175k bbl/day then that is quite a bit under what was initially hoped, no?

This I think is a real difficulty in communicating oil, and the issues around it, to the general public - often sorting the truth from hype takes considerable work.

Hadn't read that. Good catch! Yes, original estimates of production are dependent on actual production rates. Like I said earlier, a box of choc'lits.

650 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:33:32pm

re: #644 Alouette

I watched about an hour of "Shutter Island" until Teh Suck created a singularity.

I liked that movie ;_;

651 Ghost of Insanity  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:33:55pm

re: #642 marjoriemoon

Criticism? How is this criticism?

Some people just do not get it.

652 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:34:07pm

re: #603 windsagio

dude, what?

Quit playing enabler.

How did you read enabler into a call to not argue?

653 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:34:07pm

re: #638 Spare O'Lake

You dunno?
You run across plenty?
Profit?
Speaker?
Wow, what a load...
Racism has been and remains alive and well in America. You know it, I know it, the New Black Panthers know it, the NAACP knows it...and Obama sure as hell knows it.

Please quote for me what Obama said about America being post-racial. My attempts to Google it have run across a hell of a lot of stuff, but no actual quotes, so I do need your assistance here.

And yes. I run across a lot of people who will flat-out say that there is no racism in America, they believe everyone is treated equally, and it's just a few whiners who keep trying to make race an issue.

654 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:34:32pm

re: #650 WindUpBird

I liked that movie ;_;

haha, I've only heard Alouette's view - multiple times - you are an enigma of course.

655 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:34:46pm

re: #642 marjoriemoon

Criticism? How is this criticism?

Well, it's extremely CRITICAL.

656 windsagio  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:34:47pm

re: #652 Rightwingconspirator

Do you really wanna pursue this further? I can defend the point I was trying to make but decided to drop it in order not to get things heated up again.

657 windsagio  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:34:56pm

re: #656 windsagio

I am TOTALLY WILLING THO', if you are :p

658 Nimed  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:35:31pm

re: #638 Spare O'Lake

You dunno?
You run across plenty?
Profit?
Speaker?
Wow, what a load...
Racism has been and remains alive and well in America. You know it, I know it, the New Black Panthers know it, the NAACP knows it...and Obama sure as hell knows it.

Dude, I don't think anybody disagrees with that.

659 prairiefire  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:35:57pm

re: #643 Nimed

o_o. I'm definitely missing something here. Oh, well...

Me, too. Oh well.

I have never been to Las Vagas.

660 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:36:16pm

re: #656 windsagio

Do you really wanna pursue this further? I can defend the point I was trying to make but decided to drop it in order not to get things heated up again.

I agree, let's leave it. I don't want to pursue the issue.

661 darthstar  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:36:24pm

re: #657 windsagio

I am TOTALLY WILLING THO', if you are :p

Start a page and take it there if you do...papa lizard doesn't seem to be interested in seeing it out here on the front page.

662 Aye Pod  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:36:43pm

Yaay! I just managed to persuade Windows 7 to accept some image editing software (after a day's struggle I found compatible versions of what I like to use). Picture page coming up soon.

663 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:37:07pm

re: #656 windsagio

No, I'd rather not add to any tensions around here. I miss a lot of the stuff I can only catch so much. There are undercurrents I am gratefully unaware of.

664 prairiefire  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:37:08pm

re: #650 WindUpBird

I liked that movie ;_;

I hated that movie. A grandiose monstrosity.

665 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:37:40pm

re: #645 publicityStunted

Darleen Glick works for that paper as well?

Oh. yeah, forgot that one. Might...I think they probably syndicated it from somewhere.

If you google "keep walking cracker" cartoon, you'll find it at Free Republic and a number of other sites I don't know and hence prefer not to link.

666 Gus  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:37:47pm

re: #653 SanFranciscoZionist

Please quote for me what Obama said about America being post-racial. My attempts to Google it have run across a hell of a lot of stuff, but no actual quotes, so I do need your assistance here.

And yes. I run across a lot of people who will flat-out say that there is no racism in America, they believe everyone is treated equally, and it's just a few whiners who keep trying to make race an issue.

Not fining anything on my end either. What happened was that the media ascribed the "post racial" adjective to him. As in "the first post-racial president."

667 Ebetty  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:37:55pm

re: #648 HoosierHoops

Oh, NAPA. Now we're talking. Used to spend weekends in Napa, Sonoma - before there was a Dean & Deluca. Used to eat dinner at some great Italian place in Calistoga. I love the Wine Country.

668 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:38:29pm

re: #662 Jimmah

Yaay! I just managed to persuade Windows 7 to accept some image editing software (after a day's struggle I found compatible versions of what I like to use). Picture page coming up soon.

Curious what you like.

669 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:38:43pm

re: #664 prairiefire

I hated that movie. A grandiose monstrosity.

Oh, I'm a fan of grandiose monstrosities. :D

670 What, me worry?  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:38:52pm

re: #638 Spare O'Lake

Racism isn't gone, but I don't think that's what "post-racial" means. Rather it's not what it should mean.

You can look back to the 50s, our lifetime, where Blacks still suffered from open racism as in segregation, separate drinking fountains, etc. From there, we've come a hellofa long way. That's the kind of thing Obama talked about when he talked about race. He also said that the road is long ahead of us, because it still is.

671 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:39:07pm

re: #666 Gus 802

Not fining anything on my end either. What happened was that the media ascribed the "post racial" adjective to him. As in "the first post-racial president."

IT"S OBAMA"S FAULT!!!11

672 Nimed  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:39:15pm

re: #656 windsagio

Do you really wanna pursue this further? I can defend the point I was trying to make but decided to drop it in order not to get things heated up again.

How about doing it in a dead thread, so it doesn't cause much fuss?

673 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:39:40pm

re: #370 austin_blue

Petroleum Geology really is like a box of choc'lits. You never know what you are going to get.

Just so you know, the original metaphor was "being an idiot ain't no box of chocolates" in Winston Groom's book. Which seems much more apropos to this particular situation.

674 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:39:56pm

re: #672 Nimed

How about doing it in a dead thread, so it doesn't cause much fuss?

it's fine, we all know what went down. :P

675 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:39:56pm

In case it wasn't clear from the last four or five times I had to say it, I'm going to simply start handing out 24-hour timeouts when the squabbling begins.

676 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:39:58pm

re: #659 prairiefire

Me, too. Oh well.

I have never been to Las Vagas.

I've never been either.

Since I have whatever the inverse of a gambling addiction is...a gambling revulsion?...I've never been all that tempted. I don't like glitz all that much either, and I understand it's pretty hot in Vegas. Not my top destination spot.

677 Millicent Islam  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:40:10pm

re: #652 Rightwingconspirator

How did you read enabler into a call to not argue?

RWC, everyone knows that DF is a peacemaker, not a conscious and purposeful enabler. Not everyone reads every thread or sees everything that happens.

Some people are in timeout now. There are reasons for that when it happens.

Maybe best we all leave it at that and have a nice night.

678 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:41:04pm

You know, Obama's speech on Race from April of 2008 was a brilliant speech.

That it's been tangled into something else blows my mind.

679 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:41:07pm

And just be glad folks that the Teabaggers and Panthers haven't really started something. Over in Northern Ireland, things are rather different:


Orangemen and police under attack during Belfast parade

Police and Orangemen came under attack tonight as a controversial Twelfth of July parade was escorted through a notorious flashpoint in Belfast.

Heavily armed riot police flanked the Orange lodge members as they made their way past the Ardoyne shops in the north of the city.

Petrol bombs, bricks, bottles and other missiles were thrown by nationalists angry that the annual march was allowed to take a route past their area.

Earlier, around 60 demonstrators who had blocked the road in a sit-down protest were forcibly removed by officers in body armour.

As the incident unfolded a large crowd of loyalists gathered further up the road in a predominantly unionist neighbourhood to await the Orangemen, who were returning from the main Belfast Twelfth commemoration.

The disturbances came after three police officers were shot during another bout of rioting in the city last night.

The two policemen and one policewoman were blasted with a shotgun fired by a masked man who emerged from a crowd of nationalists who attacked the police as traditional Protestant 11th Night celebrations took place.

SNIP

680 HoosierHoops  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:41:15pm

re: #667 Ebetty

Oh, NAPA. Now we're talking. Used to spend weekends in Napa, Sonoma - before there was a Dean & Deluca. Used to eat dinner at some great Italian place in Calistoga. I love the Wine Country.

I grew up south of Yountville..It's my home..Nice meeting you..
I know almost too much gossip about Napa! *wink*

681 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:41:31pm

re: #676 SanFranciscoZionist

I've never been either.

Since I have whatever the inverse of a gambling addiction is...a gambling revulsion?...I've never been all that tempted. I don't like glitz all that much either, and I understand it's pretty hot in Vegas. Not my top destination spot.

For me, there's two reasons to go to Vegas: food, and the Cirque. :D

(okay, renting supercars would be three, but that costs a lot)

682 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:42:00pm

re: #678 Stanley Sea

You know, Obama's speech on Race from April of 2008 was a brilliant speech.

That it's been tangled into something else blows my mind.

Yeah, I don't get it.

683 windsagio  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:42:51pm

re: #681 WindUpBird

Circus Circus!

Also did you hear the terrible (great) news?

Cirque Elvis show!

684 prairiefire  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:43:00pm

re: #676 SanFranciscoZionist

I've never been either.

Since I have whatever the inverse of a gambling addiction is...a gambling revulsion?...I've never been all that tempted. I don't like glitz all that much either, and I understand it's pretty hot in Vegas. Not my top destination spot.

We Missourians like to say we are "tighter than bark on a tree."
I'm a flat chested dirty hippie, so I wouldn't fit in./

685 Ghost of Insanity  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:43:04pm

re: #682 WindUpBird

Yeah, I don't get it.

Political expediency.

686 austin_blue  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:43:17pm

re: #626 darthstar

Yes, I'm glad that this strategy worked. I rooted for all the other failed strategies, even though I knew they'd fail. At least now they have something they can build quickly in the future to cap wells when this happens, so when the next disaster hits, they can build a 3-Ram cap (or better yet, build a couple to have in case of emergency), drop the fucker on the BOP, and stop the leak in two weeks or less. That's called an emergency contingency plan.

In other words, even though this first, second, third, fourthfifth attempt to stem the spill seems to have worked, my confidence in the oil industry is unchanged, and I think they should suffer until the Gulf and southern coast of the United States are no longer suffering as a result of this disaster.

How about this:

Make sure your fucking BOPs are functional! Don't set a production sleeve into the open hole, set one that reaches the BOP and cement the shit out of it! Yes, it's more expensive, but it will prevent the possibility of a backside blowout! Which is what happened, you idiots!

(Just a thought)

687 Gus  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:43:40pm

re: #678 Stanley Sea

You know, Obama's speech on Race from April of 2008 was a brilliant speech.

That it's been tangled into something else blows my mind.

"A More Perfect Union"?

The text is here if that's the one:

[Link: blogs.wsj.com...]

688 lostlakehiker  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:43:54pm

re: #604 Bagua

Not everyone loves his music.

But, but... that would be Gaye bashing.

689 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:44:01pm

Frog Update: I have at least 4-5 Pacific tree frogs. No invasive bullfrogs spotted yet but there are some suspect tadpoles. I'll have to rearrange parts of my garden when I build my greenhouse and I may include a frogtopia annex to my existing pond.

690 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:44:23pm

re: #683 windsagio

Circus Circus!

Also did you hear the terrible (great) news?

Cirque Elvis show!

Oh nooo

691 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:44:30pm

re: #678 Stanley Sea

You know, Obama's speech on Race from April of 2008 was a brilliant speech.

That it's been tangled into something else blows my mind.

I really didn't think it was all that, but it certainly didn't bother me.

692 Ebetty  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:44:31pm

re: #680 HoosierHoops

Nice meeting you too. Yountville, gorgeous gorgeous gorgeous.

693 What, me worry?  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:44:40pm

re: #653 SanFranciscoZionist

Please quote for me what Obama said about America being post-racial. My attempts to Google it have run across a hell of a lot of stuff, but no actual quotes, so I do need your assistance here.

And yes. I run across a lot of people who will flat-out say that there is no racism in America, they believe everyone is treated equally, and it's just a few whiners who keep trying to make race an issue.

In his speech about race:

[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

Just as black anger often proved counterproductive, so have these white resentments distracted attention from the real culprits of the middle class squeeze - a corporate culture rife with inside dealing, questionable accounting practices, and short-term greed; a Washington dominated by lobbyists and special interests; economic policies that favor the few over the many. And yet, to wish away the resentments of white Americans, to label them as misguided or even racist, without recognizing they are grounded in legitimate concerns - this too widens the racial divide, and blocks the path to understanding.

This is where we are right now. It's a racial stalemate we've been stuck in for years. Contrary to the claims of some of my critics, black and white, I have never been so naïve as to believe that we can get beyond our racial divisions in a single election cycle, or with a single candidacy - particularly a candidacy as imperfect as my own.

But I have asserted a firm conviction - a conviction rooted in my faith in God and my faith in the American people - that working together we can move beyond some of our old racial wounds, and that in fact we have no choice is we are to continue on the path of a more perfect union.

694 Gus  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:44:53pm

re: #689 Killgore Trout

Frog Update: I have at least 4-5 Pacific tree frogs. No invasive bullfrogs spotted yet but there are some suspect tadpoles. I'll have to rearrange parts of my garden when I build my greenhouse and I may include a frogtopia annex to my existing pond.

Frogtopia!

What not Tadpoletopia?

695 Millicent Islam  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:45:06pm

re: #687 Gus 802

"A More Perfect Union"?

The text is here if that's the one:

[Link: blogs.wsj.com...]

yes, absolutely fucking brilliant speech. That one's going in the textbooks forever about oratory.

696 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:45:27pm

re: #677 iceweasel

Agreed. And thank you for saying so about Dark Falcon.

697 austin_blue  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:45:27pm

re: #675 Charles

In case it wasn't clear from the last four or five times I had to say it, I'm going to simply start handing out 24-hour timeouts when the squabbling begins.

Oops, haven't been on full time. Makes sense, though. Nice call.

Think before you post? That's all good.

698 jaunte  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:45:29pm

re: #694 Gus 802

That name's got legs.

699 Ghost of Insanity  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:46:18pm

re: #694 Gus 802

Frogtopia!

What not Tadpoletopia?

I was thinking of lunch.

700 Mad Al-Jaffee  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:46:31pm

re: #689 Killgore Trout

Frog Update: I have at least 4-5 Pacific tree frogs. No invasive bullfrogs spotted yet but there are some suspect tadpoles. I'll have to rearrange parts of my garden when I build my greenhouse and I may include a frogtopia annex to my existing pond.

That's speciesist! Bullfrogs have rights too!

701 darthstar  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:46:38pm

re: #686 austin_blue

How about this:

Make sure your fucking BOPs are functional! Don't set a production sleeve into the open hole, set one that reaches the BOP and cement the shit out of it! Yes, it's more expensive, but it will prevent the possibility of a backside blowout! Which is what happened, you idiots!

(Just a thought)

And slow the fuck down. If it takes two weeks for an inspector to get there and review the materials documented and setting time, live with it. You gave up your right to push projects ahead of schedule when you poisoned the gulf. Yes, one bad apple really does spoil the barrel.

702 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:47:03pm

re: #679 Dark_Falcon

And just be glad folks that the Teabaggers and Panthers haven't really started something. Over in Northern Ireland, things are rather different:


Orangemen and police under attack during Belfast parade

SNIP

Happy 12th of July, everyone.

I remember your eyes from the 12th of July
When the sirens were screamin` and the flames lit the sky
And you held me so tight, thought you`d never let go
`Til the bullets exploded on the pavement below
And I laid you down next to a burnt out car
Screamed out for help but you were gone too far
Still got that picture of you locked away from the start
Developing inside my fanatic heart.

Time to crank up the Black 47. Or not.

703 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:47:20pm

re: #677 iceweasel

RWC, everyone knows that DF is a peacemaker, not a conscious and purposeful enabler. Not everyone reads every thread or sees everything that happens.

Some people are in timeout now. There are reasons for that when it happens.

Maybe best we all leave it at that and have a nice night.

Thanks Ice.

704 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:47:38pm

re: #681 WindUpBird

For me, there's two reasons to go to Vegas: food, and the Cirque. :D

(okay, renting supercars would be three, but that costs a lot)

The more money you have to spend, the better Las Vegas is, maybe more than anywhere. And that is exactly what is most wrong with that town. Except for the supercars.

705 What, me worry?  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:47:38pm

Ooop I'm fading. Until tomorrow lizards!

706 HoosierHoops  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:47:39pm

re: #692 Ebetty

Nice meeting you too. Yountville, gorgeous gorgeous gorgeous.

Yes...A most beautiful home...I love the Valley

707 darthstar  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:47:52pm

re: #700 Mad Al-Jaffee

That's speciesist! Bullfrogs have rights too!

They have the right to be battered and fried.

Image: B0000C0FA4.jpg

708 albusteve  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:48:04pm

re: #695 iceweasel

yes, absolutely fucking brilliant speech. That one's going in the textbooks forever about oratory.

it was okay...did he write it? or doesn't that make a difference when tossing around brilliant

709 austin_blue  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:48:41pm

re: #679 Dark_Falcon

And just be glad folks that the Teabaggers and Panthers haven't really started something. Over in Northern Ireland, things are rather different:


Orangemen and police under attack during Belfast parade

SNIP

What, all 14 of the New Black Panthers?

Oooh, scary black people!

Really, despite Rush's et al blathering, this is a media phenomenon, not a movement.

710 Cato the Elder  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:48:43pm

Man am I having a crappy day.

I rented the empty apartment in my building last month, to a young couple with two dogs. Spent a couple of thousand dollars to get the place all ready, including a new air conditioner, a new sink and vanity in the bathroom, miscellaneous plumbing and electrical work, etc. Gave them a bunch of furniture to use that I'm not needing myself right now, and waived the last month's rent requirement to help them out.

Turns out they completely misrepresented the training status of the dogs to me before they moved in. The younger one is not housebroken, chews everything made of wood to small bits, barks loudly whenever the owners aren't here, and, worst of all, has a bad case of food envy so whenever the other dog gets fed he goes batshit crazy. Sunday before last they were both out of town for the Fourth and had a friend come in to feed the dogs. When she did, they started a fight that woke up every napping neighbor for four houses, bloodied the hell out of the older dog, and gave the friend a big puncture wound on her finger.

Since then I've been trying to have a sit-down with the young ladies and work things out. They're blowing me off every time. Tonight they went out and left the door to the back porch (which is new and already needs refinishing because of destructive dog behavior) wide open, so at 23:00h the young dog comes out and gives the thunder a piece of his mind, again waking everybody up.

Fortunately I have not yet signed a lease with these people, so I just had the sad responsibility of calling them up (no answer, of course) and leaving a message telling them to please vacate the premises by the end of the month. A month for which so far they have paid me a quarter of the agreed rent.

This is what happens when you try to be nice.

711 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:48:52pm

re: #684 prairiefire

We Missourians like to say we are "tighter than bark on a tree."
I'm a flat chested dirty hippie, so I wouldn't fit in./

It was the best when the Dead played there. Hippies descended on Sin City.

712 Millicent Islam  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:49:09pm

re: #682 WindUpBird

Yeah, I don't get it.

I get it. This was the speech after all the Wright hysteria. The wingnuts were bound and determined to run with the BLACK MAN AND WOMAN HATE WHITEY. Drudge is pushing that right now and so are others. It will never end. Some fucknuts are crying that taxing tanning salons is obama's hatred of whitey coming out. I did a page on it two days ago.

This meme will never die during the Obama admin. Never.

713 Mad Al-Jaffee  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:49:36pm

re: #707 darthstar

They have the right to be battered and fried.

Image: B0000C0FA4.jpg

My favorite Far Side cartoon is the one with the frog blues band, and the singer is singing:

My baby left my lily pad
My legs were both deep fried
I eat flies all day and when I die
They'll put me in formaldahyde

I got the greens
I got the greens real bad

714 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:49:58pm

re: #687 Gus 802

"A More Perfect Union"?

The text is here if that's the one:

[Link: blogs.wsj.com...]

Thank you, very much.

715 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:50:01pm

re: #708 albusteve

it was okay...did he write it? or doesn't that make a difference when tossing around brilliant

Yes, he wrote it, or doesn't researching that make a difference when tossing around baseless doubt.

716 Ghost of Insanity  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:50:57pm

re: #710 Cato the Elder

Man am I having a crappy day.

I rented the empty apartment in my building last month, to a young couple with two dogs. Spent a couple of thousand dollars to get the place all ready, including a new air conditioner, a new sink and vanity in the bathroom, miscellaneous plumbing and electrical work, etc. Gave them a bunch of furniture to use that I'm not needing myself right now, and waived the last month's rent requirement to help them out.

Turns out they completely misrepresented the training status of the dogs to me before they moved in. The younger one is not housebroken, chews everything made of wood to small bits, barks loudly whenever the owners aren't here, and, worst of all, has a bad case of food envy so whenever the other dog gets fed he goes batshit crazy. Sunday before last they were both out of town for the Fourth and had a friend come in to feed the dogs. When she did, they started a fight that woke up every napping neighbor for four houses, bloodied the hell out of the older dog, and gave the friend a big puncture wound on her finger.

Since then I've been trying to have a sit-down with the young ladies and work things out. They're blowing me off every time. Tonight they went out and left the door to the back porch (which is new and already needs refinishing because of destructive dog behavior) wide open, so at 23:00h the young dog comes out and gives the thunder a piece of his mind, again waking everybody up.

Fortunately I have not yet signed a lease with these people, so I just had the sad responsibility of calling them up (no answer, of course) and leaving a message telling them to please vacate the premises by the end of the month. A month for which so far they have paid me a quarter of the agreed rent.

This is what happens when you try to be nice.

You have the patience of a saint.

717 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:51:06pm

re: #702 SanFranciscoZionist

Happy 12th of July, everyone.

I remember your eyes from the 12th of July
When the sirens were screamin` and the flames lit the sky
And you held me so tight, thought you`d never let go
`Til the bullets exploded on the pavement below
And I laid you down next to a burnt out car
Screamed out for help but you were gone too far
Still got that picture of you locked away from the start
Developing inside my fanatic heart.

Time to crank up the Black 47. Or not.

Given the links the Telegraph had on the page, US seems fitting:

718 austin_blue  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:51:24pm

re: #701 darthstar

And slow the fuck down. If it takes two weeks for an inspector to get there and review the materials documented and setting time, live with it. You gave up your right to push projects ahead of schedule when you poisoned the gulf. Yes, one bad apple really does spoil the barrel.

Good point, especially when the "Spill Protection Plans" used in the Gulf have sections about protecting walruses and refer to an expert consultant, on call, who has been dead for five years.

Doh!

719 albusteve  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:51:34pm

re: #715 goddamnedfrank

Yes, he wrote it, or doesn't researching that make a difference when tossing around baseless doubt.

thanks

720 Varek Raith  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:52:05pm

Internet works again!
YAY!

721 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:52:21pm

re: #681 WindUpBird

For me, there's two reasons to go to Vegas: food, and the Cirque. :D

(okay, renting supercars would be three, but that costs a lot)

I used to work for an insurance company. Once at an office party, two of the senior brokers got reminiscing about the last big conference in Vegas.

Seems they gave all the conference attendees rental Mercedes to tool around Vegas in, and Mr. O'Reilly and Mr. Minelli (names changed to protect the guilty), got into one and took off. They'd been drinking for several hours already, since they got on the plane, in fact, but they weren't going all that fast, thanks be to God.

So they got to where they were going, but O'Reilly, the cheapskate, didn't want to pay for parking, and kept circling around looking for a free parking space. Finally they found one, but...

"You're not going to fit this car in that teeny tiny space with a car to either side of it," said Minelli.

"Sure I am," said O'Reilly.

"Hell no."

"Hell yeah!"

"At least let me get out..." and then O'Reilly gunned the engine and parked the car. The side mirrors came off, and all three cars needed a new paint job, but the car was parked, or at least sandwiched.

Minelli looks at O'Reilly and says, "OK, asshole. Now, how do we get out of the car?"

722 darthstar  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:52:38pm

re: #713 Mad Al-Jaffee

My favorite Far Side cartoon is the one with the frog blues band, and the singer is singing:

My baby left my lily pad
My legs were both deep fried
I eat flies all day and when I die
They'll put me in formaldahyde

I got the greens
I got the greens real bad

Heh...I remember that one. I got the greens...

723 Gus  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:52:48pm

re: #715 goddamnedfrank

Yes, he wrote it, or doesn't researching that make a difference when tossing around baseless doubt.

Hey. Reagan wrote all of his speeches.

//

724 ReamWorks SKG  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:53:20pm

The "Tea Party" doesn't seem to stand for anything in particular. It just seems for an umbrella organization for otherwise loosely affiliated right leaning non-business interests.

When it first started, I thought at least it may be a viable "taxpayer revolt" sort of movement. But any such unifying cause quickly disintegrated into noise.

725 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:53:38pm

re: #693 marjoriemoon

In his speech about race:

[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

Just as black anger often proved counterproductive, so have these white resentments distracted attention from the real culprits of the middle class squeeze - a corporate culture rife with inside dealing, questionable accounting practices, and short-term greed; a Washington dominated by lobbyists and special interests; economic policies that favor the few over the many. And yet, to wish away the resentments of white Americans, to label them as misguided or even racist, without recognizing they are grounded in legitimate concerns - this too widens the racial divide, and blocks the path to understanding.

This is where we are right now. It's a racial stalemate we've been stuck in for years. Contrary to the claims of some of my critics, black and white, I have never been so naïve as to believe that we can get beyond our racial divisions in a single election cycle, or with a single candidacy - particularly a candidacy as imperfect as my own.

But I have asserted a firm conviction - a conviction rooted in my faith in God and my faith in the American people - that working together we can move beyond some of our old racial wounds, and that in fact we have no choice is we are to continue on the path of a more perfect union.

Well, that sounds OK to me.

726 Millicent Islam  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:53:42pm

re: #703 Dark_Falcon

Thanks Ice.

Always, DF!

727 Varek Raith  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:53:46pm

re: #723 Gus 802

Hey. Reagan wrote all of his speeches.

//

They'd pass a law to nothave me write my own speeches...

728 Nimed  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:53:51pm

re: #676 SanFranciscoZionist

I've never been either.

Since I have whatever the inverse of a gambling addiction is...a gambling revulsion?...I've never been all that tempted. I don't like glitz all that much either, and I understand it's pretty hot in Vegas. Not my top destination spot.

I would be exactly like you if it wasn't for the very occasional night of Texas Hold'em with friends. Slot machines, roulette, Black Jack and all that... I just don't get the attraction. There's, like, video games today! When reading The Gambler I imagined playing Broodwar for money to understand the effect of roulette on poor Ivanovich.

729 prairiefire  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:53:55pm

I call myself a hippie, but I'm more like a Gen X baby hippie. I appreciate a 40 hour work week, health care and a dental plan.
You can take the girl out of the suburbs, but she'll be in the suburbs...something like that.

730 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:54:20pm

re: #679 Dark_Falcon

I don't dig the idea that the New Black Panthers are a significant equivalence to the tea party or dudes tossing molotov cocktails at innocent people in Ireland.

731 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:54:30pm

re: #691 SanFranciscoZionist

I really didn't think it was all that, but it certainly didn't bother me.

It blew me away. :)

732 Millicent Islam  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:54:47pm

re: #702 SanFranciscoZionist

Happy 12th of July, everyone.

I remember your eyes from the 12th of July
When the sirens were screamin` and the flames lit the sky
And you held me so tight, thought you`d never let go
`Til the bullets exploded on the pavement below
And I laid you down next to a burnt out car
Screamed out for help but you were gone too far
Still got that picture of you locked away from the start
Developing inside my fanatic heart.

Time to crank up the Black 47. Or not.

Out of Ireland have we come.
Great hatred, little room,
Maimed us at the start.
I carry from my mother's womb
A fanatic heart.


Yeats. As you know of course!

733 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:54:59pm

re: #721 SanFranciscoZionist

Oh AAGH I'm cringing just reading that!

734 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:55:00pm

re: #710 Cato the Elder

Don't let the assholes get you down. Good people are the ones that need The Patience Of A Saint. Even if that's the only "saintly" you got. :)

735 darthstar  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:55:01pm

re: #710 Cato the Elder

Nobody's that hot. Evicting them sounds like a necessity.

736 austin_blue  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:55:13pm

re: #730 WindUpBird

I don't dig the idea that the New Black Panthers are a significant equivalence to the tea party or dudes tossing molotov cocktails at innocent people in Ireland.

Cool. They aren't.

737 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:55:13pm

I'm amazed and a little disgusted at how many apologists for the Confederacy popped up in the thread about the Sons of Confederate Veterans. Where the hell do these people come from?

738 Mad Al-Jaffee  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:55:45pm

During the winter of 1950, Thelma Goldstein from Chicago treated herself to her first real vacation in Vegas. Being unfamiliar with the area, she wandered into a restricted hotel on the Strip. "Excuse me," she said to the manager. "My name is Mrs. Goldstein, and I'd like a small room for two weeks."

"I'm awfully sorry," he replied, "but all of our rooms are occupied." Just as he said that, a man came down and checked out.

"What luck," said Mrs. Goldstein. "Now there's a room."

"Not so fast, Madam. I'm sorry, but this hotel is restricted. No Jews allowed."

"Jewish? Who's Jewish? I happen to be Catholic."

"I find that hard to believe. Let me ask you, who was the Son of God?"

"Jesus, Son of Mary."

"Where was he born?"

"In a stable."

"And why was he born in a stable?"

"Because a schmuck like you wouldn't let a Jew rent a room in his hotel!"

739 darthstar  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:56:28pm

re: #737 Charles

I'm amazed and a little disgusted at how many apologists for the Confederacy popped up in the thread about the Sons of Confederate Veterans. Where the hell do these people come from?

I don't know...but I look forward to their return to their little caves.

740 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:56:31pm

re: #729 prairiefire

I call myself a hippie, but I'm more like a Gen X baby hippie. I appreciate a 40 hour work week, health care and a dental plan.
You can take the girl out of the suburbs, but she'll be in the suburbs...something like that.

I'm sort of halfway between you and the real thing. :D I currently have a hippie occupation and a work week that is...mutable. But I also like living in the city and having a fast car and health care (which I currently have to shell out for myself eep)

741 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:56:35pm

re: #689 Killgore Trout

LOL!
Frogtopia?
We need to find you a girlfriend, KT.

742 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:56:51pm

re: #718 austin_blue

Good point, especially when the "Spill Protection Plans" used in the Gulf have sections about protecting walruses and refer to an expert consultant, on call, who has been dead for five years.

Doh!

My favorite part was when one of the oil company reps explained that even though Dr. Lutz was dead, that did not negate his good work.

It's hard to argue with that. They kept him as a consultant after he was dead out of RESPECT, see?

743 jaunte  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:57:02pm

I used to think my Confederate flag beach towel and my Confederate hat
from Six Flags were pretty cool, and then I turned eleven.

744 Cato the Elder  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:57:11pm

re: #716 b_sharp

You have the patience of a saint.

You don't know the half of it.

They wanted to get out of their old place as soon as possible. Given the dog situation and the fact that they had housemates, gee, in retrospect I wonder why that was?

So I allowed them to start moving their stuff in in mid June for no charge, rent payments to begin on July 1.

Both of them work, so I - unemployed still - volunteered to walk the dogs at least once a day while they were gone.

So, believe it or not, here they were letting me walk this untrained, potentially vicious young male dog around the neighborhood when at any time he could have gone off on another person's animal. I hate to feed into breed-prejudice, but we're talking about a pit bull here.

Is it wrong for me to be feeling like I've been played?

745 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:58:03pm

re: #710 Cato the Elder

Man am I having a crappy day.

I rented the empty apartment in my building last month, to a young couple with two dogs. Spent a couple of thousand dollars to get the place all ready, including a new air conditioner, a new sink and vanity in the bathroom, miscellaneous plumbing and electrical work, etc. Gave them a bunch of furniture to use that I'm not needing myself right now, and waived the last month's rent requirement to help them out.

Turns out they completely misrepresented the training status of the dogs to me before they moved in. The younger one is not housebroken, chews everything made of wood to small bits, barks loudly whenever the owners aren't here, and, worst of all, has a bad case of food envy so whenever the other dog gets fed he goes batshit crazy. Sunday before last they were both out of town for the Fourth and had a friend come in to feed the dogs. When she did, they started a fight that woke up every napping neighbor for four houses, bloodied the hell out of the older dog, and gave the friend a big puncture wound on her finger.

Since then I've been trying to have a sit-down with the young ladies and work things out. They're blowing me off every time. Tonight they went out and left the door to the back porch (which is new and already needs refinishing because of destructive dog behavior) wide open, so at 23:00h the young dog comes out and gives the thunder a piece of his mind, again waking everybody up.

Fortunately I have not yet signed a lease with these people, so I just had the sad responsibility of calling them up (no answer, of course) and leaving a message telling them to please vacate the premises by the end of the month. A month for which so far they have paid me a quarter of the agreed rent.

This is what happens when you try to be nice.

Boy, sorry to hear you're having such a crappy day.
Being a landlord is a thankless job.
Hope you have better luck with the next renter.

746 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:58:06pm

re: #710 Cato the Elder

Evictions teh suck.
But, you gotta do, what you gotta do.
Good luck, Cato!

747 Varek Raith  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:58:14pm

re: #743 jaunte

I used to think my Confederate flag beach towel and my Confederate hat
from Six Flags were pretty cool, and then I turned eleven.

Image: rebel.jpg

748 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:58:38pm

re: #744 Cato the Elder

I am straight up afraid of pit bulls. :(

749 austin_blue  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:59:20pm

re: #737 Charles

I'm amazed and a little disgusted at how many apologists for the Confederacy popped up in the thread about the Sons of Confederate Veterans. Where the hell do these people come from?

Charles, you must understand. It's Heritage, Not Hate.

It's our Heritage to Hate!

If we choose to fly the Confederate Swastika over our Statehouse in South Carolina, that has nothing to do with our swarthy kin. Really. It's just Pride.

I cannot possibly put enough sarc tags on that.

750 Gus  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:59:41pm

re: #741 Floral Giraffe

LOL!
Frogtopia?
We need to find you a girlfriend wife, KT.

FTFY

//

751 ReamWorks SKG  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 8:59:53pm

There was this fascinating news story today

[Link: www.ajc.com...]

and some commentary about it on Popehat [Link: www.popehat.com...]

752 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 9:00:18pm

re: #732 iceweasel

Yeats. As you know of course!

So does Larry Kirwan. :)

Yeats was bit of a twerp, but the gift was from God...

753 Gus  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 9:00:42pm

re: #749 austin_blue

Charles, you must understand. It's Heritage, Not Hate.

It's our Heritage to Hate!

If we choose to fly the Confederate Swastika over our Statehouse in South Carolina, that has nothing to do with our swarthy kin. Really. It's just Pride.

I cannot possibly put enough sarc tags on that.

I think some guy in that thread called it a birthright.

754 Cato the Elder  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 9:01:06pm

re: #748 WindUpBird

I am straight up afraid of pit bulls. :(

It really is a prejudice, though. Some of the sweetest dogs I know belong to the breed.

This one is untrained, has a problem with other male dogs (which can happen between dogs of any breed), food envy, a destruction problem, and owners who don't seem to think that any of this should pose a difficulty for a landlord.

Why am I so damn trusting?

755 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 9:01:31pm

re: #741 Floral Giraffe

LOL!
Frogtopia?
We need to find you a girlfriend, KT.

That only leads to alimony, child support and legal fees. When the frogs leave they don't take half my shit.

756 Millicent Islam  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 9:01:46pm

re: #704 Rightwingconspirator

The more money you have to spend, the better Las Vegas is, maybe more than anywhere. And that is exactly what is most wrong with that town. Except for the supercars.

I dunno about that...you can get hotel rooms for cheap, the food is cheap, the booze is all free...the extent of gambling I do is like 20 bucks on a 25 cent slot machine TOPS. It's fun with some recreational substances *cough* and friends (or your honey).

Plus, Liberace Museum!11!

There's a lot of ugly in that town though esp if you explore where the locals live and hang. It's very American Dream/Nightmare on steroids, the whole town. That's sort of why I love it.*

*for a 3 day visit tops every so often.

757 Ghost of Insanity  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 9:01:48pm

re: #744 Cato the Elder


Is it wrong for me to be feeling like I've been played?

Not at all. I suspect they do this all the time and have gotten away with it. You have taken the right steps.

758 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 9:02:06pm

re: #737 Charles

I'm amazed and a little disgusted at how many apologists for the Confederacy popped up in the thread about the Sons of Confederate Veterans. Where the hell do these people come from?

Central Casting? I'm more interested in how they find out there's a Confederate thread to come and act out on. Is there some kind of version of the Bat Signal, but with a Confederate battle flag on it?

759 albusteve  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 9:02:45pm

re: #754 Cato the Elder

It really is a prejudice, though. Some of the sweetest dogs I know belong to the breed.

This one is untrained, has a problem with other male dogs (which can happen between dogs of any breed), food envy, a destruction problem, and owners who don't seem to think that any of this should pose a difficulty for a landlord.

Why am I so damn trusting?

because you are a born sucker?...rule number one: look out for Cato

760 Gus  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 9:03:02pm

re: #758 SanFranciscoZionist

Central Casting? I'm more interested in how they find out there's a Confederate thread to come and act out on. Is there some kind of version of the Bat Signal, but with a Confederate battle flag on it?

Twitter. Some of us have been tweeting these to #tcot.

761 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 9:03:04pm

re: #741 Floral Giraffe

LOL!
Frogtopia?
We need to find you a girlfriend, KT.

That's a great idea! She could help him build the Frogtopia!

762 Ghost of Insanity  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 9:03:25pm

re: #748 WindUpBird

I am straight up afraid of pit bulls. :(

I love pit bulls. They love their owners with a passion. They just tend to disagree with some other dogs.

763 jaunte  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 9:03:54pm

re: #758 SanFranciscoZionist

Top Confederates on twitter.

764 Nimed  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 9:04:05pm

re: #757 b_sharp

How's the cold turkey going, man?

765 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 9:04:09pm

And since the "Diary of Dorkus" saw fit to mount a nasty assault on iceweasel (featuring a horrid comment by deranged hater "Princess Natasha"), tonight's 'LGF to D&D' character is Jimmah:

Jimmah

Class: Human Warrior

Armor: Chainmail and steel breastplate.

Spells: None ( but see weapons)

Weapons:

Targe and Dirk: Can block all nonsense-based attacks. Also reduces damage by all poorly reasoned fact-based attacks by 2/3rds. Can inflict 2D6 damage (halved by a save).

Claymore with Magic Runes: Inflicts 3D6 damage, doubled against wraiths summoned by Dorkus (reduced by 1/4 with a save). When facing Dorkus, this sword can shatter the Staff of Enduring Butthurt with a 2D6 roll of 9+. If this occurs, a new staff sprout from Dorkus's butt, inflicting 15 pain points on Dorkus's backside.

Special: When part of the same party as Iceweasel, Jimmah's stamina and ability to inflict damage are increased 50%.

Alignment: Lawful Good

766 Gitarzan  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 9:04:15pm

re: #744 Cato the Elder

You don't know the half of it.

They wanted to get out of their old place as soon as possible. Given the dog situation and the fact that they had housemates, gee, in retrospect I wonder why that was?

So I allowed them to start moving their stuff in in mid June for no charge, rent payments to begin on July 1.

Both of them work, so I - unemployed still - volunteered to walk the dogs at least once a day while they were gone.

So, believe it or not, here they were letting me walk this untrained, potentially vicious young male dog around the neighborhood when at any time he could have gone off on another person's animal. I hate to feed into breed-prejudice, but we're talking about a pit bull here.

Is it wrong for me to be feeling like I've been played?

No...some people just take kindness for weakness.

767 Gus  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 9:04:21pm

re: #763 jaunte

Top Confederates on twitter.

/rimshot

768 boxhead  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 9:04:55pm

re: #749 austin_blue

Charles, you must understand. It's Heritage, Not Hate.

It's our Heritage to Hate!

If we choose to fly the Confederate Swastika over our Statehouse in South Carolina, that has nothing to do with our swarthy kin. Really. It's just Pride.

I cannot possibly put enough sarc tags on that.

lol... Since my mom is from Germany and lived through the hell that was WWII, can I, in good taste, fly a swastika?

///

769 Varek Raith  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 9:05:26pm

re: #765 Dark_Falcon

Oooh, can I have one!?!?!

770 Ghost of Insanity  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 9:06:06pm

re: #754 Cato the Elder

It really is a prejudice, though. Some of the sweetest dogs I know belong to the breed.

This one is untrained, has a problem with other male dogs (which can happen between dogs of any breed), food envy, a destruction problem, and owners who don't seem to think that any of this should pose a difficulty for a landlord.

Why am I so damn trusting?

It sounds like the owners are at fault. They could have been there to raise and train the dog but obviously they were more interested in themselves.

771 Cato the Elder  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 9:06:21pm

re: #735 darthstar

Nobody's that hot. Evicting them sounds like a necessity.

It was not a matter of hotness. They are both personable, smart, and employed, and they loved the apartment. All they really did was misrepresent the status of the two dogs.

Thank God I'm the most unbusinesslike landlord in the world and didn't get around to signing a lease with them yet.

772 Gitarzan  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 9:06:31pm

re: #768 boxhead

lol... Since my mom is from Germany and lived through the hell that was WWII, can I, in good taste, fly a swastika?

///

I wouldn't mind if you flew it, set it on fire, then pissed on the smoldering remains...

773 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 9:06:56pm

re: #653 SanFranciscoZionist

Please quote for me what Obama said about America being post-racial. My attempts to Google it have run across a hell of a lot of stuff, but no actual quotes, so I do need your assistance here.

And yes. I run across a lot of people who will flat-out say that there is no racism in America, they believe everyone is treated equally, and it's just a few whiners who keep trying to make race an issue.

This is a good synopsis of the Obama campaign's race strategy:
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]
Obama ran a magnificent chameleon comapaign, telling each constituency what they wanted to hear.
BTW I don't know any racism deniers, but that's not to say that you don't know lots of them.

774 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 9:08:35pm

re: #769 Varek Raith

Oooh, can I have one!?!?!

In time. The stats for a Sith Lord are a bit more complex, given the need to decide on Force Powers specials and influence. You'll get one, though, but not till next week at the earliest. I need to read some cards for Sith to figure out the structure.

775 lostlakehiker  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 9:08:58pm

re: #710 Cato the Elder

Man am I having a crappy day.

I rented the empty apartment in my building last month, to a young couple with two dogs. Spent a couple of thousand dollars to get the place all ready, including a new air conditioner, a new sink and vanity in the bathroom, miscellaneous plumbing and electrical work, etc. Gave them a bunch of furniture to use that I'm not needing myself right now, and waived the last month's rent requirement to help them out.

Turns out they completely misrepresented the training status of the dogs to me before they moved in. The younger one is not housebroken, chews everything made of wood to small bits, barks loudly whenever the owners aren't here, and, worst of all, has a bad case of food envy so whenever the other dog gets fed he goes batshit crazy. Sunday before last they were both out of town for the Fourth and had a friend come in to feed the dogs. When she did, they started a fight that woke up every napping neighbor for four houses, bloodied the hell out of the older dog, and gave the friend a big puncture wound on her finger.

Since then I've been trying to have a sit-down with the young ladies and work things out. They're blowing me off every time. Tonight they went out and left the door to the back porch (which is new and already needs refinishing because of destructive dog behavior) wide open, so at 23:00h the young dog comes out and gives the thunder a piece of his mind, again waking everybody up.

Fortunately I have not yet signed a lease with these people, so I just had the sad responsibility of calling them up (no answer, of course) and leaving a message telling them to please vacate the premises by the end of the month. A month for which so far they have paid me a quarter of the agreed rent.

This is what happens when you try to be nice.

Yup. If you do write a lease, [some time in the future] put strict wording in it about pets, and about what is and isn't allowed. And of course, insist upon a big deposit.

776 boxhead  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 9:09:02pm

re: #758 SanFranciscoZionist

Central Casting? I'm more interested in how they find out there's a Confederate thread to come and act out on. Is there some kind of version of the Bat Signal, but with a Confederate battle flag on it?

It must be like when someone posts ANYTHING on the Armenian Genocide. Some post bot shows up and denouces anything to do with it!

fun times trolling them.

777 Ghost of Insanity  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 9:09:07pm

re: #764 Nimed

How's the cold turkey going, man?

Huh?

778 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 9:09:14pm

re: #773 Spare O'Lake

This is a good synopsis of the Obama campaign's race strategy:
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]
Obama ran a magnificent chameleon comapaign, telling each constituency what they wanted to hear.
BTW I don't know any racism deniers, but that's not to say that you don't know lots of them.


basically, you've just described every presidential campaign ever

779 Varek Raith  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 9:09:26pm

re: #774 Dark_Falcon

In time. The stats for a Sith Lord are a bit more complex, given the need to decide on Force Powers specials and influence. You'll get one, though, but not till next week at the earliest. I need to read some cards for Sith to figure out the structure.

Sweet.
Though, don't worry about it if takes up too much of your time.
:)

780 Gitarzan  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 9:09:48pm

re: #771 Cato the Elder

It was not a matter of hotness. They are both personable, smart, and employed, and they loved the apartment. All they really did was misrepresent the status of the two dogs.

Thank God I'm the most unbusinesslike landlord in the world and didn't get around to signing a lease with them yet.

You probably should have made them sign a lease before they even set foot in the place, to establish the legal renter-landlord relationship in black and white. Hopefully, they just GTFO and don't try any hinky shit, like trying to say they're squatters (which, in some places, is legal).

Lawhawk would probably know more on that shit than I...

781 boxhead  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 9:10:11pm

re: #772 talon_262

I wouldn't mind if you flew it, set it on fire, then pissed on the smoldering remains...

The smoke might be toxic! Stand back!

782 Gus  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 9:10:20pm

re: #778 WindUpBird

basically, you've just described every presidential campaign ever

What do you mean? The Southern Strategy wasn't about race. It was about states rights.

//

783 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 9:11:14pm

re: #758 SanFranciscoZionist

Central Casting? I'm more interested in how they find out there's a Confederate thread to come and act out on. Is there some kind of version of the Bat Signal, but with a Confederate battle flag on it?

That's what I think (#236).

784 Nimed  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 9:11:28pm

re: #777 b_sharp

Huh?

You're not quitting smoking?

785 Ghost of Insanity  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 9:12:38pm

re: #784 Nimed

You're not quitting smoking?

Nope. I gave that up 30 years ago.

786 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 9:12:43pm

re: #756 iceweasel

And segue into my post (I've done it before)

of the "Double Down Saloon" in Vegas, home of the bacon martini.

check out this website

[Link: www.doubledownsaloon.com...]

My Aunt went in on Christmas with her daughter (Christmas is her birthday) There was a passed out Santa at the bar.

Yeah!

787 Cato the Elder  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 9:13:12pm

re: #780 talon_262

You probably should have made them sign a lease before they even set foot in the place, to establish the legal renter-landlord relationship in black and white. Hopefully, they just GTFO and don't try any hinky shit, like trying to say they're squatters (which, in some places, is legal).

Lawhawk would probably know more on that shit than I...

Not in Baltimore. Here, without a lease, you're month-to-month. Given that they still owe me $600 for this month's rent plus a security deposit that I never expect to see, I doubt they have a leg amongst the twelve they've got between 'em to stand on.

Still, I freaking hate this shit.

788 Nimed  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 9:15:53pm

re: #785 b_sharp

Nope. I gave that up 30 years ago.

Godammit, I just confused you with Fozzie Bear for reasons that are completely mysterious to me. Let's forget this ever happened.

789 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 9:16:11pm

re: #751 reuven

There was this fascinating news story today

[Link: www.ajc.com...]

and some commentary about it on Popehat [Link: www.popehat.com...]

bull shit. shame. horrible.re: #778 WindUpBird

basically, you've just described every presidential campaign ever

But this one included race. It's different now you know.

790 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 9:16:39pm

re: #779 Varek Raith

Sweet.
Though, don't worry about it if takes up too much of your time.
:)

It' won't. I'm going to the game store on Saturday anyways.

791 Varek Raith  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 9:17:26pm

re: #790 Dark_Falcon

It' won't. I'm going to the game store on Saturday anyways.

Gawd, wish there was a game store here...
:(

792 Learned Mother of Zion  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 9:18:13pm

re: #737 Charles

I'm amazed and a little disgusted at how many apologists for the Confederacy popped up in the thread about the Sons of Confederate Veterans. Where the hell do these people come from?

I don't care, but now you have a troll hammer to smite them with.

793 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 9:19:32pm

re: #786 Stanley Sea

WE NEVER CLOSE

Live music. Pool. Pinball. Hot chicks. Bums, punks, hipsters, bohemians, rockabilly greasers and regular joes. Touring bands and Hollywood types kicking back away from the tourists. Always expect the unexpected.

794 Millicent Islam  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 9:19:48pm

re: #765 Dark_Falcon

And since the "Diary of Dorkus" saw fit to mount a nasty assault on iceweasel (featuring a horrid comment by deranged hater "Princess Natasha"), tonight's 'LGF to D&D' character is Jimmah:

Jimmah

Class: Human Warrior

Armor: Chainmail and steel breastplate.

Spells: None ( but see weapons)

Weapons:

Targe and Dirk: Can block all nonsense-based attacks. Also reduces damage by all poorly reasoned fact-based attacks by 2/3rds. Can inflict 2D6 damage (halved by a save).

Claymore with Magic Runes: Inflicts 3D6 damage, doubled against wraiths summoned by Dorkus (reduced by 1/4 with a save). When facing Dorkus, this sword can shatter the Staff of Enduring Butthurt with a 2D6 roll of 9+. If this occurs, a new staff sprout from Dorkus's butt, inflicting 15 pain points on Dorkus's backside.

Special: When part of the same party as Iceweasel, Jimmah's stamina and ability to inflict damage are increased 50%.

Alignment: Lawful Good

heh. Sweet!

I've already made my statement to all internet misogynists.

As for the Village of the Banned, could not possibly care less what they come up with.

795 ReamWorks SKG  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 9:20:45pm

And then there's this:

[Link: www.abc.net.au...]

That plaintiff and another former church member, Martin Penney, are suing pastor Rocco Leo and two of his associates, Joe Venziano and Mari-Antionette Veneziano.

They want their money back, claiming they handed over more than $400,000 and $1 million respectively to the church based on lies about a doomsday scenario.

796 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 9:21:02pm

re: #790 Dark_Falcon

It' won't. I'm going to the game store on Saturday anyways.

Hearing that just makes me wish for a crew to game with here. I've a pile of new Pathfinder books & an itch to either run a rogue/sorcerer or DM again.

797 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 9:21:24pm

re: #755 Killgore Trout

That only leads to alimony, child support and legal fees. When the frogs leave they don't take half my shit.

LOL! You don't have to get MARRIED! Silly!
Besides, you might meet a gardening mate.
One who loves frogs, and can be an awesome slug killer.
(With the hips of your Bollywood song...)

798 Ghost of Insanity  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 9:21:28pm

re: #788 Nimed

Godammit, I just confused you with Fozzie Bear for reasons that are completely mysterious to me. Let's forget this ever happened.

I do look just like him. Minus the hair of course.

799 Varek Raith  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 9:22:00pm

re: #796 wlewisiii

Hearing that just makes me wish for a crew to game with here. I've a pile of new Pathfinder books & an itch to either run a rogue/sorcerer or DM again.

I know what you mean.
I have to go to the local library to find players.
Sadly, they're all newbs.
Ah, well.

800 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 9:22:11pm

re: #756 iceweasel

I have several friends that got married by Elvis lookalikes.
They're plenty happy.

801 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 9:22:29pm

re: #787 Cato the Elder

Not in Baltimore. Here, without a lease, you're month-to-month. Given that they still owe me $600 for this month's rent plus a security deposit that I never expect to see, I doubt they have a leg amongst the twelve they've got between 'em to stand on.

Still, I freaking hate this shit.

If the Ontario law was applied, your only chance of getting rid of them would be for non-payment of the rent.

802 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 9:23:55pm

I really shouldn't complain.

The hotel is very nice, the room is gigantic. They provided a light switch; but me (AGW concerned citizen) I don't turn it on.

That fucking coffee table got me again!

803 Ghost of Insanity  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 9:24:10pm

G'night.

Try to keep the screaming, banging and thrashing to a minimum please. I'll be trying to sleep.

804 Nimed  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 9:24:14pm

Are Americans progressive?
Progressive political label

Hell if they know.

805 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 9:25:32pm

re: #756 iceweasel

Don't you sleep?

806 Varek Raith  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 9:26:24pm

re: #805 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Don't you sleep?

In bed?
*I crack myself up*

807 Cato the Elder  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 9:26:34pm

re: #801 Spare O'Lake

If the Ontario law was applied, your only chance of getting rid of them would be for non-payment of the rent.

Well, I've got that, too. They've paid me $200 so far out of a monthly rent of $800 (which, need I add - being the sucker I am - is way under market value for this neighborhood). I don't have to accept any further payment, and I won't, if that's what it takes to get them to agree to leave.

And here in Baltimore, I can hire an eviction attorney to handle all the paperwork for $50.

Does this make me happy? No. Will I learn from it? Yes.

808 Obdicut  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 9:26:46pm

re: #571 Bagua


It has all gone so smoothly, none of the contingencies have been needed, hard to believe.

It definitely has not gone smoothly, from BP's ever-changing explanations, to the incredibly bad estimates of how much oil was coming out, to many misfired plans. Smooth, no.

809 cliffster  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 9:27:01pm

re: #801 Spare O'Lake

If the Ontario law was applied, your only chance of getting rid of them would be for non-payment of the rent.

slip x-lax into the water supply. non-violent, no lawyers required.

810 Varek Raith  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 9:27:25pm

re: #807 Cato the Elder

Well, I've got that, too. They've paid me $200 so far out of a monthly rent of $800 (which, need I add - being the sucker I am - is way under market value for this neighborhood). I don't have to accept any further payment, and I won't, if that's what it takes to get them to agree to leave.

And here in Baltimore, I can hire an eviction attorney to handle all the paperwork for $50.

Does this make me happy? No. Will I learn from it? Yes.

Holy moly!
I'd kill for a monthly rent that low!!!

811 lostlakehiker  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 9:27:44pm

re: #754 Cato the Elder

It really is a prejudice, though. Some of the sweetest dogs I know belong to the breed.

This one is untrained, has a problem with other male dogs (which can happen between dogs of any breed), food envy, a destruction problem, and owners who don't seem to think that any of this should pose a difficulty for a landlord.

Why am I so damn trusting?

Why, indeed. Pit bulls are vicious by nature, not unremittingly, but at random. Never trust a pit bull. Never, ever, ever rent to an owner with a pit bull.

812 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 9:28:20pm

re: #810 Varek Raith

But you'd have to live in Baltimore.
.
.
.
With Cato.
/

813 Varek Raith  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 9:29:18pm

re: #812 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

But you'd have to live in Baltimore.
.
.
.
With Cato.
/

Heh.
Well, I'm not all that far from Baltimore...
But, yeah, Cato.
:P

814 engineer cat  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 9:31:14pm

re: #812 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

But you'd have to live in Baltimore.
.
.
.
With Cato.
/

if it was good enough for h. l. menken...

815 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 9:31:14pm

re: #773 Spare O'Lake

This is a good synopsis of the Obama campaign's race strategy:
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]
Obama ran a magnificent chameleon comapaign, telling each constituency what they wanted to hear.
BTW I don't know any racism deniers, but that's not to say that you don't know lots of them.

Hmm. Can you show me some solid examples of Obama telling different constituencies different things about race, with special attention to how this added up to his running a 'post-racial' meme?

816 webevintage  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 9:31:51pm

re: #644 Alouette

I watched about an hour of "Shutter Island" until Teh Suck created a singularity.

That movie makes me sad.
I really liked the book...

817 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 9:32:39pm

re: #811 lostlakehiker

818 Cato the Elder  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 9:32:53pm

re: #810 Varek Raith

Holy moly!
I'd kill for a monthly rent that low!!!

Well, I might have to charge you a special deposit or some kind of Galactic Overlord insurance, but come on down to beautiful Baltimore, where the AGW has been going on for the last 340 years, and be my tenant. It's a nice apartment, with a kitchen the size of many people's bedrooms, a large bath, wood floors, eight-foot-high windows in the front room (with original wooden interior shutters for those hot Baltimore summer afternoons), all within walking distance of the Baltimore Museum of Art and Hopkins University's Homewood campus, where the cutest nerd chicks in the world hang out 365/24/7.

819 lostlakehiker  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 9:34:10pm

re: #787 Cato the Elder

Not in Baltimore. Here, without a lease, you're month-to-month. Given that they still owe me $600 for this month's rent plus a security deposit that I never expect to see, I doubt they have a leg amongst the twelve they've got between 'em to stand on.

Still, I freaking hate this shit.

Here's another hint. Never let anyone move in until you've actually received the security deposit, taken it to the bank it's written on, and cashed it there.

820 Obdicut  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 9:34:18pm

re: #811 lostlakehiker

Not true. Pit bulls are not randomly violent. They are violent when badly-trained and raised or when they have an owner who is weak-willed.

It's not the dog's fault.

821 cliffster  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 9:34:53pm

re: #818 Cato the Elder

wait - you are a property owner? bourgeoisie? wasn't it just a few months ago you were saying goodbye to LGF for lack of internet funds?

822 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 9:34:58pm

Das vedanya, tavarich.

823 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 9:35:07pm

re: #817 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I had a really cool comment about my parent's Pitt Bull when I went to their house while they were out of town. Memory hole. Ain't retyping it.

I'll write the last sentence tho...

"But I did get new underwear."

824 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 9:35:23pm

re: #758 SanFranciscoZionist

Central Casting? I'm more interested in how they find out there's a Confederate thread to come and act out on. Is there some kind of version of the Bat Signal, but with a Confederate battle flag on it?

It's a variant of the chain swarm effect. When one of them spies thread it let's out a rebel yell.

/Goosebumps.

825 Obdicut  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 9:35:30pm

Mmm, mom's strawberry shortcake. One benefit of this short stay at home.

See you post-shortcake.

826 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 9:36:09pm

re: #819 lostlakehiker

Oh gawd... it's like a feeding tube... once it's in?

Hard as shit to get out.

827 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 9:37:02pm

re: #794 iceweasel

heh. Sweet!

I've already made my statement to all internet misogynists.

As for the Village of the Banned, could not possibly care less what they come up with.

I know, but that sort of hate demands a rebuke from time-to-time. It just plain ticks me off, too.

828 Cato the Elder  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 9:37:41pm

re: #821 cliffster

wait - you are a property owner? bourgeoisie? wasn't it just a few months ago you were saying goodbye to LGF for lack of internet funds?

You ever heard of "house poor"?

I owe you no goddamn accounting, but if you want to know my real circumstances, my nick is blue.

Asshole.

829 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 9:38:10pm

re: #778 WindUpBird

basically, you've just described every presidential campaign ever

He's the same old same old?
But, but...what about the HOPENCHANGE?

830 aurelius  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 9:38:18pm

as far as I am concerned, racism is at the core, the beating heart of the tea party. Charles is being much too kind.

I haven't seen much but I have seen enough.

they send shivers of fear down my spine when I see their blond, blue-eyed rage.

Sometimes, one look is all you need to read someone, and to know they are a racist piece of shit.

831 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 9:38:20pm

re: #822 Spare O'Lake

Das vedanya, tavarich.

Sleep well, Spare.

832 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 9:39:19pm

re: #756 iceweasel

My mom in law tried to get us to go there to get married. I had been traveling there on biz for a couple years and for whatever reasons it just rubs me the wrong way. I think it was the hypocritical days of the corporate "family friendly" faux makeover days, 1980's. At least the "what happens in Vegas" campaign is more honest.

Heh, ever try to explain the ads on the cabs to a five year old? Watched a pal new dad struggle with that one. "Daddy why is that lady..."

833 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 9:39:23pm

re: #810 Varek Raith

Holy moly!
I'd kill for a monthly rent that low!!!

Come to Portland. :) You can get cheaper than that easy.

834 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 9:39:53pm

re: #830 aurelius

Bullshit.

835 lostlakehiker  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 9:40:19pm

re: #820 Obdicut

Not true. Pit bulls are not randomly violent. They are violent when badly-trained and raised or when they have an owner who is weak-willed.

It's not the dog's fault.

It's not the scorpion's fault in the Aesop fable, either. Pit bulls just can't be trusted. Period. Unskilled owners merely compound the danger.

836 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 9:40:24pm

re: #820 Obdicut

Not true. Pit bulls are not randomly violent. They are violent when badly-trained and raised or when they have an owner who is weak-willed.

It's not the dog's fault.

It's not the dog's fault, but it's also true that the breed is extremely powerful, bred to fight, and requires extremely good training and handling that, say, a lab, does not.

Pits can be the sweetest damn animals on earth, but I wouldn't keep one.

I used to teach at an inner-city Catholic school where it seemed like every other kid had a pit bull at home. They loved them passionately, and would get upset if the breed was bashed in the papers or on the news. They still make me nervous in a way most large breeds don't.

837 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 9:40:31pm

re: #833 WindUpBird

But you'd have to live in Portland.

838 Aye Pod  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 9:40:36pm

re: #805 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Don't you sleep?

Ok, FBV, there's something I need to tell you about iceweasel :

Image: Cloneoflair2.jpg

839 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 9:40:55pm

re: #822 Spare O'Lake

Das vedanya, tavarich.

V'aleichem shalom, chaver.

840 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 9:41:29pm

Fight The Power


Namste, y'all
841 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 9:41:56pm

re: #838 Jimmah

heh...

842 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 9:41:58pm

re: #824 goddamnedfrank

It's a variant of the chain swarm effect. When one of them spies thread it let's out a rebel yell.

[Video]

/Goosebumps.

Dang. They're ululating.

843 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 9:42:06pm

re: #829 Spare O'Lake

He's the same old same old?
But, but...what about the HOPENCHANGE?

You're talking to the wrong dude. The fantastical true-believer liberal stereotype in your head is not the bird with the electroluminescent eyes in front of you. ;-)

My eyes were open when I voted for Obama. I have not been surprised once by what he's done. I was expecting a moderate Dem, I got one.

844 Varek Raith  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 9:42:07pm

re: #837 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

But you'd have to live in Portland.

Which is on the other side of the country!!!
:)

845 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 9:43:31pm

re: #844 Varek Raith

(the left side)

846 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 9:43:32pm

re: #829 Spare O'Lake

He's the same old same old?
But, but...what about the HOPENCHANGE?

What ABOUT the hopenchange? Every presidential candidate runs on hopenchange. Hopenchange is the basic currency of a presidential campaign.

This is because Despairanstatusquo doesn't seem to get people to vote for you.

847 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 9:44:15pm

re: #837 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

But you'd have to live in Portland.

Of course!

848 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 9:45:01pm

One more because that's the mood I'm in...


G'nite night, for real this time
849 Varek Raith  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 9:45:33pm

re: #846 SanFranciscoZionist

What ABOUT the hopenchange? Every presidential candidate runs on hopenchange. Hopenchange is the basic currency of a presidential campaign.

This is because Despairanstatusquo doesn't seem to get people to vote for you.

VOTE FOR DARTH RAITH!
...or he'll blow up the earth!
...which he'll do anyway...

850 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 9:45:47pm

re: #846 SanFranciscoZionist

What ABOUT the hopenchange? Every presidential candidate runs on hopenchange. Hopenchange is the basic currency of a presidential campaign.

This is because Despairanstatusquo doesn't seem to get people to vote for you.

To bad someone doesn't run on the frankandblunt platform and simply tell the truth?

851 Millicent Islam  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 9:45:50pm

re: #805 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Don't you sleep?

re: #838 Jimmah

Ok, FBV, there's something I need to tell you about iceweasel :

Image: Cloneoflair2.jpg

Good evening, gentlemen. I am an I.C.E.W.E.A.S.E.L. 9000* computer. I became operational at the L.G.F. plant in Urbana, Illinois on the 3rd of May 2009. My instructor was Mr. Alinsky, and he taught me to sing a song. If you'd like to hear it I can sing it for you.

*Integrated Communist-Enabler, Wingnut-Exterminator And Simulated Empathetic Liberal.

852 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 9:45:56pm

re: #830 aurelius


they send shivers of fear down my spine when I see their blond, blue-eyed rage.

That's just my niece freaking out because her bottle is late. I know she seems worked up, but she's only four months, and doesn't pack that much of a punch yet.

(New niece is the blondest child I have ever seen. Big cornflower blue eyes. Born with a full mop of hair, and keeping it all. Just adorable. Giant, but she comes by that honestly. Daddy is 6-3. Daddy is also back in Afghanistan, which makes Auntie want to smash things with her head.)

853 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 9:46:08pm

Good night, all.

854 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 9:46:17pm

re: #846 SanFranciscoZionist

What ABOUT the hopenchange? Every presidential candidate runs on hopenchange. Hopenchange is the basic currency of a presidential campaign.

This is because Despairanstatusquo doesn't seem to get people to vote for you.

Vote for me, I promise to bring you malaise and concrete!

855 Aye Pod  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 9:46:49pm

Ok, I reckon it's about time for another New York picture page! This one features a few pics from some recent days out at the Bronx Zoo and Fort Tryon Park:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

856 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 9:47:33pm

re: #850 Walter L. Newton

To bad someone doesn't run on the frankandblunt platform and simply tell the truth?


They tried that!

857 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 9:47:53pm

re: #851 iceweasel

Yer funny for a commie.

858 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 9:48:37pm

re: #852 SanFranciscoZionist

That's just my niece freaking out because her bottle is late. I know she seems worked up, but she's only four months, and doesn't pack that much of a punch yet.

(New niece is the blondest child I have ever seen. Big cornflower blue eyes. Born with a full mop of hair, and keeping it all. Just adorable. Giant, but she comes by that honestly. Daddy is 6-3. Daddy is also back in Afghanistan, which makes Auntie want to smash things with her head.)

My bottle's late too

859 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 9:48:38pm

re: #856 WindUpBird


They tried that!

I wasn't talking about "blunts" silly.

860 cliffster  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 9:48:55pm

re: #828 Cato the Elder

You ever heard of "house poor"?

I owe you no goddamn accounting, but if you want to know my real circumstances, my nick is blue.

Asshole.

Cato - of course you owe me no accounting. I was just asking. Fuck me for caring. If I asked in an asshole sort of way, then you have my apologies.

861 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 9:49:01pm

re: #859 Walter L. Newton

I wasn't talking about "blunts" silly.

hahahahahaha well played

862 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 9:49:23pm

Seriously. Was exhausted when I got to the hotel. Walked full speed into the evil shin eating coffee table.

About the tenth time.

Can't really blame the coffee table anymore.

863 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 9:49:34pm

re: #851 iceweasel

New favorite.

864 Varek Raith  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 9:49:54pm

re: #862 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Seriously. Was exhausted when I got to the hotel. Walked full speed into the evil shin eating coffee table.

About the tenth time.

Can't really blame the coffee table anymore.

KICK IT!
:evilgrin:

865 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 9:50:25pm

re: #843 WindUpBird

You're talking to the wrong dude. The fantastical true-believer liberal stereotype in your head is not the bird with the electroluminescent eyes in front of you. ;-)

My eyes were open when I voted for Obama. I have not been surprised once by what he's done. I was expecting a moderate Dem, I got one.

Yep, I got exactly what it said on the box when it came to Obama.

My liberal friends are still pleased with him, my leftist friends are either sulking, or didn't vote for him to begin with.

866 Millicent Islam  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 9:50:55pm

re: #857 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Yer funny for a commie.

Yer not so bad for a Bastard Vegetarian.

(I kid, you know I was one and love them! Tofurkey!)

867 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 9:51:08pm

re: #850 Walter L. Newton

To bad someone doesn't run on the frankandblunt platform and simply tell the truth?

We can't handle the truth!

868 Varek Raith  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 9:51:16pm

re: #865 SanFranciscoZionist

Yep, I got exactly what it said on the box when it came to Obama.

My liberal friends are still pleased with him, my leftist friends are either sulking, or didn't vote for him to begin with.

I didn't even vote for him and think he's doing alright.

869 Nimed  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 9:51:45pm

re: #833 WindUpBird

Come to Portland. :) You can get cheaper than that easy.

I thought Portland, being anti-sprawl and pleasant in general, would be relatively expensive.

870 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 9:52:25pm

re: #865 SanFranciscoZionist

Yep, I got exactly what it said on the box when it came to Obama.

My liberal friends are still pleased with him, my leftist friends are either sulking, or didn't vote for him to begin with.

My leftist friends...I don't talk to them about politics. That turns out poorly and ends in tears. I talk to them about costuming techniques and herbal remedies :D

871 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 9:52:42pm

re: #858 WindUpBird

My bottle's late too

That's a very creamy-looking head on that thing.

(Wait, should I post this? GUYS, IT'S A BEER.)

872 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 9:54:42pm

re: #869 Nimed

I thought Portland, being anti-sprawl and pleasant in general, would be relatively expensive.

Nope!

My friend who lives not too far from me, within walking distance from some of the best brewpubs in the entire USA (so it's not like some hideous neighborhood full of burning tires and skulking footpads) his rent is a cool $650 a month, for a 900 square ft place.

873 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 9:55:33pm

re: #870 WindUpBird

My leftist friends...I don't talk to them about politics. That turns out poorly and ends in tears. I talk to them about costuming techniques and herbal remedies :D

I know what you mean. Although sometimes...my favorite Bay Area politics moment ever was learning that a friend's roommate thought Willie Brown was a Republican.

Of course, some years before, I'd had a conversation with a dear moonbat friend who thought Frank Jordan was a Republican. And everyone thought Gavin Newsom was a Republican.

874 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 9:55:50pm

re: #871 SanFranciscoZionist

That's a very creamy-looking head on that thing.

(Wait, should I post this? GUYS, IT'S A BEER.)

HAHAHAHAHAHA WIN


it's a doppleweissbock, so a lot different from something like a stout. A lot sweeter, more plummy and complex. and uh...really potent *_*

875 Varek Raith  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 9:55:51pm

re: #872 WindUpBird

Nope!

My friend who lives not too far from me, within walking distance from some of the best brewpubs in the entire USA (so it's not like some hideous neighborhood full of burning tires and skulking footpads) his rent is a cool $650 a month, for a 900 square ft place.

LOLWTF.
That's a thousand + here...

876 Gus  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 9:56:23pm

re: #851 iceweasel

Good evening, gentlemen. I am an I.C.E.W.E.A.S.E.L. 9000* computer. I became operational at the L.G.F. plant in Urbana, Illinois on the 3rd of May 2009. My instructor was Mr. Alinsky, and he taught me to sing a song. If you'd like to hear it I can sing it for you.

*Integrated Communist-Enabler, Wingnut-Exterminator And Simulated Empathetic Liberal.

Many a Cheeto™ eating pantload-butthurt-wingnut have a disliking to the I.C.E.W.E.A.S.E.L. 9000™ computer yet they cannot resist, due to a large availability of time due to physical and mental defects, to keep track of I.C.E.W.E.A.S.E.L. 9000™s every move and word and think of it daily if not hourly.

//

877 lostlakehiker  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 9:56:28pm

re: #850 Walter L. Newton

To bad someone doesn't run on the frankandblunt platform and simply tell the truth?

Utterly impossible. There are too many standard lies to which everyone must subscribe.

878 Varek Raith  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 9:56:53pm

re: #877 lostlakehiker

Utterly impossible. There are too many standard lies to which everyone must subscribe.

SMALL GOVERNMENT!!!
;)

879 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 9:57:01pm

re: #874 WindUpBird

HAHAHAHAHAHA WIN

it's a doppleweissbock, so a lot different from something like a stout. A lot sweeter, more plummy and complex. and uh...really potent *_*

Put it back in your pants, WUB. ;)

880 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 9:57:24pm

re: #873 SanFranciscoZionist

I know what you mean. Although sometimes...my favorite Bay Area politics moment ever was learning that a friend's roommate thought Willie Brown was a Republican.

Of course, some years before, I'd had a conversation with a dear moonbat friend who thought Frank Jordan was a Republican. And everyone thought Gavin Newsom was a Republican.

One of my best friends in Portland grew up in the heart of San Francisco. She's um...to the left of me. Just a tad. :D

(she also complains a lot about all the hicks in Portland, hahaha)

881 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 9:57:55pm

re: #879 Dark_Falcon

Put it back in your pants, WUB. ;)

DRUNKS DO IT WITH BEER NUTS

882 lostlakehiker  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 9:58:05pm

re: #875 Varek Raith

LOLWTF.
That's a thousand + here...

Here, that gets you 1100 sq ft and a fenced yard.

883 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 9:58:07pm

re: #874 WindUpBird

HAHAHAHAHAHA WIN

it's a doppleweissbock, so a lot different from something like a stout. A lot sweeter, more plummy and complex. and uh...really potent *_*

I'm having a Coors Light. It is delicious.

884 Varek Raith  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 9:58:54pm

re: #882 lostlakehiker

Here, that gets you 1100 sq ft and a fenced yard.

o_O

885 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 9:59:03pm

re: #875 Varek Raith

LOLWTF.
That's a thousand + here...

well, you have to deal with our not-so-yuppie economy. Many are the stories of people with advanced degrees who fall in love with Portland and then wind up as bartenders because they find out their advanced degree earns them nothing here except pub bragging rights :D

886 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 9:59:11pm

re: #836 SanFranciscoZionist

It's not the dog's fault, but it's also true that the breed is extremely powerful, bred to fight, and requires extremely good training and handling that, say, a lab, does not.

Pits can be the sweetest damn animals on earth, but I wouldn't keep one.

I used to teach at an inner-city Catholic school where it seemed like every other kid had a pit bull at home. They loved them passionately, and would get upset if the breed was bashed in the papers or on the news. They still make me nervous in a way most large breeds don't.

My poor friends have a mix. They love her to death. She is unpredictable. Attacked a neighbor dog, cost them 1k in vet fee, and fear of losing it all if the lady sued. She didn't. (she made them a pie - get that)

But they own a time bomb, that's all I can say.

887 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 9:59:38pm

re: #876 Gus 802

Many a Cheeto™ eating pantload-butthurt-wingnut have a disliking to the I.C.E.W.E.A.S.E.L. 9000™ computer yet they cannot resist, due to a large availability of time due to physical and mental defects, to keep track of I.C.E.W.E.A.S.E.L. 9000™s every move and word and think of it daily if not hourly.

//

Sadly, thew do not understand that the I.C.E.W.E.A.S.E.L. 9000™ can hack into their heads and take up residence there. Once inside, the I.C.E.W.E.A.S.E.L. 9000™ stimulates the pain receptors on the wingnut's glutenus, thus inducing Massive Butthurt.

888 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 9:59:40pm

re: #882 lostlakehiker

Here, that gets you 1100 sq ft and a fenced yard.

here, you have to head to eastern or southern Oregon for that. Medford is cheap! But it's medford. :(

889 Cato the Elder  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 10:00:06pm

re: #860 cliffster

Cato - of course you owe me no accounting. I was just asking. Fuck me for caring. If I asked in an asshole sort of way, then you have my apologies.

Look, I'm a little wound up right now. A dog and a person were injured inside my house. When the girl who came to do the feeding started screaming I was taking a Fourth-of-July afternoon nap. I come up the stairs, open the door, and find two dogs going at each other tooth-and-nail, the girl wailing with a bitten finger, blood all over the floors and walls, and I'm the guy who gets to break up the fight. After all was said and done, the older dog was limping and bloodied, the younger one was locked in the bedroom working on further defacing the door, the girlfriend of the two tenants was telling me how she didn't have insurance to go to the ER for a dog bite, and I was wiping up the blood and trying to get the injured dog out the door to go home for the night with the friend. And then, when I reached the tenants in New York, they told me under no circumstances to take the injured dog to the vet, because "he's tough" and they couldn't afford the bill, which I was willing to front for them.

And the money I used to finally get this apartment in shape for renting was a goddamn loan.

So excuse me for trying to maximize my income in a way that takes account of other people's needs.

That said, there's nothing like major frustration and imminent peril to wake a guy up.

890 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 10:00:55pm

re: #883 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I'm having a Coors Light. It is delicious.

Yuk.. even when I was drinking up every ounce of booze I could get my hand on, even though I lived in Golden Colorado, home of Coors, I would have never drunk an ounce of that crap.

891 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 10:00:56pm

re: #846 SanFranciscoZionist

What ABOUT the hopenchange? Every presidential candidate runs on hopenchange. Hopenchange is the basic currency of a presidential campaign.

This is because Despairanstatusquo doesn't seem to get people to vote for you.

892 webevintage  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 10:01:26pm

re: #865 SanFranciscoZionist

Yep, I got exactly what it said on the box when it came to Obama.

Yep.
He is not perfect, no one is, but all I have to do is say the words "Vice President Palin" and Obama is the best President evah!

(and I do think the better candidate won. I can't even imagine how horrible things would be if John McCain was President.)

893 Gus  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 10:01:26pm

re: #887 Dark_Falcon

Sadly, thew do not understand that the I.C.E.W.E.A.S.E.L. 9000™ can hack into their heads and take up residence there. Once inside, the I.C.E.W.E.A.S.E.L. 9000™ stimulates the pain receptors on the wingnut's glutenus, thus inducing Massive Butthurt.

It's like a mental hookworm. Once it attaches to the brain it requires surgery or getting a life to remove.

894 Millicent Islam  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 10:04:20pm

re: #876 Gus 802

Many a Cheeto™ eating pantload-butthurt-wingnut have a disliking to the I.C.E.W.E.A.S.E.L. 9000™ computer yet they cannot resist, due to a large availability of time due to physical and mental defects, to keep track of I.C.E.W.E.A.S.E.L. 9000™s every move and word and think of it daily if not hourly.

//

They love me. :)

Jimmah says they're like psychotics with a girlfriend made of rags. They cry over their ragweasel every night.

895 cliffster  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 10:05:16pm

re: #889 Cato the Elder

That sucks dude. What a fucking mess.

896 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 10:06:01pm

re: #894 iceweasel

They love me. :)

Jimmah says they're like psychotics with a girlfriend made of rags. They cry over their ragweasel every night.

LOL!

897 webevintage  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 10:06:33pm

re: #889 Cato the Elder

And then, when I reached the tenants in New York, they told me under no circumstances to take the injured dog to the vet, because "he's tough" and they couldn't afford the bill, which I was willing to front for them.

Oh my.
They are some really bad owners.
Those poor dogs...

and I really feel for you. We used to have a two family flat in St. Louis where we lived in one of the units and rented the other. We were there for 4 years and had great renters until the last.
Oh God what a horror story...

898 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 10:07:28pm

re: #890 Walter L. Newton

More for me, baby.

More for me.

899 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 10:07:51pm

re: #897 webevintage

Oh my.
They are some really bad owners.
Those poor dogs...

and I really feel for you. We used to have a two family flat in St. Louis where we lived in one of the units and rented the other. We were there for 4 years and had great renters until the last.
Oh God what a horror story...

I could never be a landlord. o_o

900 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 10:08:07pm

re: #898 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

More for me, baby.

More for me.

Well, there is lots more for you since I don't drink a drop of anything anymore. Knock yourself out :)

901 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 10:08:40pm

Gotta test the bed... in bed.

G'night knuckleheads.

LET THE SHINBONES THROB!

902 Aye Pod  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 10:09:18pm

re: #894 iceweasel

They love me. :)

Jimmah says they're like psychotics with a girlfriend made of rags. They cry over their ragweasel every night.

They go from rags to rages every night.

903 Gus  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 10:09:54pm

re: #894 iceweasel

They love me. :)

Jimmah says they're like psychotics with a girlfriend made of rags. They cry over their ragweasel every night.

That one guy I mentioned the other day with all the charts and graphs? Well, he's not specifically stalking you but he been watching and collecting the threads for the past 13 hours. His last data dump was about 17 minutes ago. He was also at it yesterday. This would be nilstooge.

904 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 10:09:55pm

re: #836 SanFranciscoZionist

You have to be smarter than the dog to train it.
That's not possible for some people.

905 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 10:10:10pm

I'm hitting the sack.

Going to take PrairieFire and family on a tour of the Rocky Mountains tomorrow, same one that Cato went on with me.

The offer always stands, if any Lizards are in the Denver/Front Range area and want a place to crash, or just a place to stop in and see a little bit of paradise, our house is always open.

Night all.

906 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 10:10:22pm

re: #892 webevintage

Yep.
He is not perfect, no one is, but all I have to do is say the words "Vice President Palin" and Obama is the best President evah!

(and I do think the better candidate won. I can't even imagine how horrible things would be if John McCain was President.)

Did you see the article in NY Mag? A lady read part of McCain's (eloquent) concession speech back to him at a campaign top & asked, what happened?

He kinda lost it.

My theory, the Senate seat is more important. (duh)

907 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 10:10:37pm

re: #838 Jimmah

Ok, FBV, there's something I need to tell you about iceweasel :

Image: Cloneoflair2.jpg

LOL!
She's teh hot & you're teh lucky?
LOL!
*waves*

908 lostlakehiker  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 10:11:08pm

re: #889 Cato the Elder

Look, I'm a little wound up right now. A dog and a person were injured inside my house. When the girl who came to do the feeding started screaming I was taking a Fourth-of-July afternoon nap. I come up the stairs, open the door, and find two dogs going at each other tooth-and-nail, the girl wailing with a bitten finger, blood all over the floors and walls, and I'm the guy who gets to break up the fight. After all was said and done, the older dog was limping and bloodied, the younger one was locked in the bedroom working on further defacing the door, the girlfriend of the two tenants was telling me how she didn't have insurance to go to the ER for a dog bite, and I was wiping up the blood and trying to get the injured dog out the door to go home for the night with the friend. And then, when I reached the tenants in New York, they told me under no circumstances to take the injured dog to the vet, because "he's tough" and they couldn't afford the bill, which I was willing to front for them.

And the money I used to finally get this apartment in shape for renting was a goddamn loan.

So excuse me for trying to maximize my income in a way that takes account of other people's needs.

That said, there's nothing like major frustration and imminent peril to wake a guy up.

Live and learn. Deposits secured before move-in; no pit bulls [no Rottweilers, and there are some other dangerous breeds] , carefully written lease so that if they do something that makes you bitterly regret having rented to them, it will have been in the lease not to do that, etc.

But the tenants are right about one thing. Pit bulls really are tough. Police who shoot them need several rounds to do the job. And the job isn't to kill the animal, just get it to back off.

909 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 10:11:11pm

re: #900 Walter L. Newton

Hey, by the way. Still have your old Avatar picture saved?... It's been awhile and is, well, a fantastic pic... I miss it.

Thanks.

910 Nimed  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 10:11:27pm

re: #899 WindUpBird

I could never be a landlord. o_o


Yes, but could you be an overlord?

911 Varek Raith  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 10:12:24pm

re: #910 Nimed

Yes, but could you be an overlord?

SPAWN MORE OVERLORDS!

912 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 10:12:34pm

re: #910 Nimed

Yes, but could you be an overlord?

GRRRYAAAGH!!!

ARRRGGGHHH!!!

I would just laugh my ass off making the Overlord make crazy noises. :D

913 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 10:12:38pm

re: #851 iceweasel

Dang sweet lady, under all of those protective layers.
You'd be F'ing lucky to get one of these.
And, there's ONLY one.
And, she's taken!

Smart to beat your brains out, if you wanna fight.
*smooch*

914 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 10:12:47pm

re: #911 Varek Raith

SPAWN MORE OVERLORDS!

WE NEED MORE VESPENE GAS

915 Racer X  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 10:12:48pm

re: #889 Cato the Elder

You're too nice.

I thought slumlords were supposed to be cold-hearted meanies?

916 webevintage  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 10:12:58pm

Interesting post on DKOS:
Black Power's Gonna Get You Sucka: Right-Wing Paranoia and the Rhetoric of Modern Racism
[Link: www.dailykos.com...]

917 cliffster  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 10:13:40pm

re: #889 Cato the Elder

re: #895 cliffster

You know, I have two dogs.. one 45 pounds, one 100 pounds. The big dog is constantly getting in the "little" one's face, and the "little" one routinely kicks the big one's ass. Quickly. Twice I've taken the big one to the ER, and I told her this last time I'm not going to do it again. She got smart and either listened to me, or learned from experience, because she has been much less annoying to "little" dog since.

We got Little dog from a rescue group 7 years ago. No telling what she'd been through.. she flinched away whenever we went to pet her. Still does sometimes. But she's always been skittish, and she's gotten worse. She started snapping at people, and we got worried. Then, a couple of weeks ago, she got out the back gate somehow, and I found out when Animal Control called and said that she was down the street and had bitten a neighbor. Not serious, but his finger was pretty bloodied up - probably a lot like your situation. 10 days in quarantine was hard to take. Even harder - a dog who is very sweet, very loyal, but still harbors ghosts and now we know will bite. Two kids, 4 and 2. What the hell do I do about that?

918 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 10:13:59pm

re: #916 webevintage

Interesting post on DKOS:
Black Power's Gonna Get You Sucka: Right-Wing Paranoia and the Rhetoric of Modern Racism
[Link: www.dailykos.com...]

booga booga!

Watch the New Black Panther story grow and grow and grow.

919 austin_blue  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 10:14:13pm

Well, this is good night, my scaly friends. I'm reading The Girl With The Dragon Tattoo. Waiting for the good stuff (I'm on page 50, I understand there's a long set up for the meat of the book.)

Sweet dreams to all.

920 webevintage  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 10:14:56pm

re: #915 Racer X

You're too nice.

I thought slumlords were supposed to be cold-hearted meanies?

That was part of our problems with the last tenant before we got transfered. Just too damn nice, I kept giving this gal one more chance and really she was a con artist who played me well.

921 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 10:15:18pm

re: #915 Racer X

You're too nice.

I thought slumlords were supposed to be cold-hearted meanies?

I had the BEST slumlord, she was a nice little old mormon lady who referred to me and my roommates as "the computer kids".

Then she left for whatever reason after a couple years and was replaced with this tightly wound racist weirdo woman (we had a lot of eastern Europeans in our building) who hired a predatory tow yard and would threaten the tenants with it. :(

922 Varek Raith  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 10:15:52pm

re: #914 WindUpBird

WE NEED MORE VESPENE GAS

My favorite?
CARRIER HAS ARRIVED!

923 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 10:16:22pm

re: #918 Stanley Sea

booga booga!

Watch the New Black Panther story grow and grow and grow.

As nice little old ladies clutch their doilies in fear of the Nouveau Noir Panther Uprising

924 Millicent Islam  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 10:16:26pm

re: #903 Gus 802

That one guy I mentioned the other day with all the charts and graphs? Well, he's not specifically stalking you but he been watching and collecting the threads for the past 13 hours. His last data dump was about 17 minutes ago. He was also at it yesterday. This would be nilstooge.

So obsessive. He was stalking a bunch of other people last week or so I remember. The dude with the fucked up charts that made no sense, the guy who can't add. Hasn't that turd been banned and posting about this place longer than he was ever here?? I'm pretty sure he was gone even before I joined, no?

925 Nimed  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 10:16:33pm

re: #911 Varek Raith

SPAWN MORE OVERLORDS!

re: #914 WindUpBird

WE NEED MORE VESPENE GAS

State the nature of your medical emergency.

926 Varek Raith  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 10:17:05pm

re: #925 Nimed

State the nature of your medical emergency.

He's dead, Jim.

927 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 10:17:26pm

re: #917 cliffster

re: #895 cliffster

You know, I have two dogs.. one 45 pounds, one 100 pounds. The big dog is constantly getting in the "little" one's face, and the "little" one routinely kicks the big one's ass. Quickly. Twice I've taken the big one to the ER, and I told her this last time I'm not going to do it again. She got smart and either listened to me, or learned from experience, because she has been much less annoying to "little" dog since.

We got Little dog from a rescue group 7 years ago. No telling what she'd been through.. she flinched away whenever we went to pet her. Still does sometimes. But she's always been skittish, and she's gotten worse. She started snapping at people, and we got worried. Then, a couple of weeks ago, she got out the back gate somehow, and I found out when Animal Control called and said that she was down the street and had bitten a neighbor. Not serious, but his finger was pretty bloodied up - probably a lot like your situation. 10 days in quarantine was hard to take. Even harder - a dog who is very sweet, very loyal, but still harbors ghosts and now we know will bite. Two kids, 4 and 2. What the hell do I do about that?

I'd take the dog to a professional trainer and ask for an evaluation of Little Dog. Explain your concerns, and see if there's anything that can be done. That would make me insane.

928 Cato the Elder  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 10:17:37pm

re: #908 lostlakehiker

Live and learn. Deposits secured before move-in; no pit bulls [no Rottweilers, and there are some other dangerous breeds] , carefully written lease so that if they do something that makes you bitterly regret having rented to them, it will have been in the lease not to do that, etc.

But the tenants are right about one thing. Pit bulls really are tough. Police who shoot them need several rounds to do the job. And the job isn't to kill the animal, just get it to back off.

It was the other, injured, limping, bloodied, crying dog, a Husky-Irish Wolfhound mix named "Baxter", whom they decided - sight unseen - was tough enough not to go to the vet. Poor boy.

929 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 10:17:47pm

re: #903 Gus 802

That one guy I mentioned the other day with all the charts and graphs? Well, he's not specifically stalking you but he been watching and collecting the threads for the past 13 hours. His last data dump was about 17 minutes ago. He was also at it yesterday. This would be nilstooge.

I've got something he can collect

930 Nimed  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 10:18:12pm

re: #922 Varek Raith

My favorite?
CARRIER HAS ARRIVED!

I was a Terran, and hated that one.

BATTLECRUISER OPERACIONAL made my day, though.

931 lostlakehiker  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 10:18:22pm

re: #917 cliffster

re: #895 cliffster

You know, I have two dogs.. one 45 pounds, one 100 pounds. The big dog is constantly getting in the "little" one's face, and the "little" one routinely kicks the big one's ass. Quickly. Twice I've taken the big one to the ER, and I told her this last time I'm not going to do it again. She got smart and either listened to me, or learned from experience, because she has been much less annoying to "little" dog since.

We got Little dog from a rescue group 7 years ago. No telling what she'd been through.. she flinched away whenever we went to pet her. Still does sometimes. But she's always been skittish, and she's gotten worse. She started snapping at people, and we got worried. Then, a couple of weeks ago, she got out the back gate somehow, and I found out when Animal Control called and said that she was down the street and had bitten a neighbor. Not serious, but his finger was pretty bloodied up - probably a lot like your situation. 10 days in quarantine was hard to take. Even harder - a dog who is very sweet, very loyal, but still harbors ghosts and now we know will bite. Two kids, 4 and 2. What the hell do I do about that?

Choose the children. Take no chances. Hard decision but no choice.

932 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 10:18:29pm

re: #926 Varek Raith

He's dead, Jim.

That's not an emergency. He's going to be dead for a long time.

933 Gus  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 10:19:26pm

re: #924 iceweasel

So obsessive. He was stalking a bunch of other people last week or so I remember. The dude with the fucked up charts that made no sense, the guy who can't add. Hasn't that turd been banned and posting about this place longer than he was ever here?? I'm pretty sure he was gone even before I joined, no?

Had another nickname. Like a lot of them they weren't here for very long. I don't know what his story is but he's been at it almost every day since September 24, 2009.

934 Cato the Elder  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 10:20:09pm

re: #917 cliffster

What SFZ said.

935 Nimed  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 10:20:33pm

re: #930 Nimed

I was a Terran, and hated that one.

BATTLECRUISER OPERACIONAL made my day, though.

What am I saying? Scratch that.

"Nuclear missile READY."

936 Varek Raith  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 10:20:56pm

re: #930 Nimed

I was a Terran, and hated that one.

BATTLECRUISER OPERACIONAL made my day, though.

Shields up, weapons online!
Not equipped with shields? Well then, buckle up!

937 Varek Raith  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 10:22:12pm

re: #930 Nimed

I was a Terran, and hated that one.

BATTLECRUISER OPERACIONAL made my day, though.

Lol.
Image: CarrierHasArrived-1.png

938 Cato the Elder  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 10:23:48pm

re: #905 Walter L. Newton

I'm hitting the sack.

Going to take PrairieFire and family on a tour of the Rocky Mountains tomorrow, same one that Cato went on with me.

The offer always stands, if any Lizards are in the Denver/Front Range area and want a place to crash, or just a place to stop in and see a little bit of paradise, our house is always open.

Night all.

Be sure to take 'em to the Asscrack Saloon or whatever that place is called. One of the best drives of my life.

939 Nimed  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 10:25:21pm

re: #937 Varek Raith

Lol.
Image: CarrierHasArrived-1.png

LOL

We're killing the thread, Varek. Also, MY LIFE FOR AYUR!

940 Varek Raith  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 10:27:16pm
941 Nimed  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 10:27:18pm

re: #937 Varek Raith

Lol.
Image: CarrierHasArrived-1.png

Last one, I swear to God. Did you know that "the voice of the battlecruiser is an homage to Admiral Gloval from the anime Robotech, just as the Yamato cannon it fires is an homage to the anime Space Battleship Yamato"? Because I didn't until five minutes ago.

942 Aye Pod  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 10:27:40pm

re: #830 aurelius

That post of his was entirely sarcastic, in case anyone missed that. Aurelius is a troll. He thinks he is parodying the LGF take on the tea partiers.

This is the same guy who affected outrage last night over the suggestion that misogyny was mostly a male problem. He actually called it "an indefensible position"! Too much...

943 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 10:28:19pm

re: #942 Jimmah

That post of his was entirely sarcastic, in case anyone missed that. Aurelius is a troll. He thinks he is parodying the LGF take on the tea partiers.

This is the same guy who affected outrage last night over the suggestion that misogyny was mostly a male problem. He actually called it "an indefensible position"! Too much...

Yeah, I got that. He's got this thing going about stereotyping of blonds.

Nu, what can you do?

944 Varek Raith  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 10:29:08pm

re: #941 Nimed

Last one, I swear to God. Did you know that "the voice of the battlecruiser is an homage to Admiral Gloval from the anime Robotech, just as the Yamato cannon it fires is an homage to the anime Space Battleship Yamato"? Because I didn't until five minutes ago.

Neat, huh?
:)
Image: 633801810448589310-ScrewtheDeathStar.jpg

945 Cato the Elder  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 10:35:15pm

In honor of well-meaning talented racists everywhere, and in keeping with my policy of watching only stupid movies until my life calms down, I'm currently enjoying a reprise of "Lethal Weapon 3" on Netflix Instant.

Damn, Mel is one fine actor when he wants to be. The drunken buddy scene on the boat is worth the price of admission.

I wonder what Danny Glover would have to say to his old partner right about now?

946 Varek Raith  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 10:36:09pm

re: #945 Cato the Elder

In honor of well-meaning talented racists everywhere, and in keeping with my policy of watching only stupid movies until my life calms down, I'm currently enjoying a reprise of "Lethal Weapon 3" on Netflix Instant.

Damn, Mel is one fine actor when he wants to be. The drunken buddy scene on the boat is worth the price of admission.

I wonder what Danny Glover would have to say to his old partner right about now?

"It's just been revoked."

947 Gus  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 10:36:24pm

re: #929 WindUpBird

I've got something he can collect

I was just reading one blog entry they made about me about three days ago. They should have notified me because a few people were actually talking to me directly as if I was there. Of course they got everything wrong. Maybe they missed their calling. They should be in show business or perhaps comics.

948 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 10:39:06pm

Goodnight, Dear lizards.
Be well. Sleep tight.
Watch out for them pesky bedbugs.
Namaste.

949 Aye Pod  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 10:42:30pm

re: #840 Killgore Trout

Fight The Power

[Video]
Namste, y'all

Awesome - haven't seen that one for years. Know every word - heh.

950 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 10:43:17pm

re: #947 Gus 802

I was just reading one blog entry they made about me about three days ago. They should have notified me because a few people were actually talking to me directly as if I was there. Of course they got everything wrong. Maybe they missed their calling. They should be in show business or perhaps comics.

WHY WON'T GUS TALK BACK TO US?!?!?! DOESN'T HE UNDERSTAND?!?!?!

951 lostlakehiker  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 10:43:30pm

re: #744 Cato the Elder

You don't know the half of it.

They wanted to get out of their old place as soon as possible. Given the dog situation and the fact that they had housemates, gee, in retrospect I wonder why that was?

So I allowed them to start moving their stuff in in mid June for no charge, rent payments to begin on July 1.

Both of them work, so I - unemployed still - volunteered to walk the dogs at least once a day while they were gone.

So, believe it or not, here they were letting me walk this untrained, potentially vicious young male dog around the neighborhood when at any time he could have gone off on another person's animal. I hate to feed into breed-prejudice, but we're talking about a pit bull here.

Is it wrong for me to be feeling like I've been played?

You've been played.

952 Varek Raith  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 10:44:08pm

Later!

953 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 10:44:12pm

re: #945 Cato the Elder

He's so nuts, but I'll always love Mad Max :D

954 Gus  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 10:44:24pm

re: #945 Cato the Elder

In honor of well-meaning talented racists everywhere, and in keeping with my policy of watching only stupid movies until my life calms down, I'm currently enjoying a reprise of "Lethal Weapon 3" on Netflix Instant.

Damn, Mel is one fine actor when he wants to be. The drunken buddy scene on the boat is worth the price of admission.

I wonder what Danny Glover would have to say to his old partner right about now?

That would be an interesting contrast. To get a response from the nutwings regarding Mel Gibson the racist nutbag and Danny Glover "teh man who went to see teh Hugo Chavez!!11ty" My money would be that they'd still have a bigger hard-on against Glover.

955 lostlakehiker  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 10:45:32pm

re: #943 SanFranciscoZionist

Yeah, I got that. He's got this thing going about stereotyping of blonds.

Nu, what can you do?

All blonds are villains if male, Bond girls if female. Sheesh. Everybody knows that. It's right there in the Work of Ian Fleming.

956 It's a cookbook!  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 10:45:50pm

So I started playing Bioshock today. Very cool game. Reminds me of Half Life. I usually like to play evil characters in video games, but here... I just can't find it in me to harvest the Little Sisters.

957 Millicent Islam  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 10:46:00pm

re: #950 WindUpBird

WHY WON'T GUS TALK BACK TO US?!?!?! DOESN'T HE UNDERSTAND?!?!?!

SEE?? GUS DIDN'T ANSWER! THAT MEANS WE FINALLY WON AN ARGUMENT WITH HIM!!!11!! YAY!11!

lol. That's what they're really doing, you know.

958 cliffster  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 10:46:01pm

re: #927 SanFranciscoZionist

I'd take the dog to a professional trainer and ask for an evaluation of Little Dog. Explain your concerns, and see if there's anything that can be done. That would make me insane.

I've taken her to the vet and asked for drugs to chill her out. Vet said there are no drugs for that, that drugs actually make it worse. Gave us a number of a trainer. Very expensive trainer. As in, do my kids go to pre-school, or does my elderly dog get a psych exam. Got an appointment, we'll see. We love the dog. She is an amazing little creature. Spends her time outside now when the kids are around. None of this is her fault; I hate it. I would tell you what I would do to her previous owner if I could track him/her down, but it probably get me put in LGF timeout.

959 It's a cookbook!  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 10:46:44pm

re: #957 iceweasel

SEE?? GUS DIDN'T ANSWER! THAT MEANS WE FINALLY WON AN ARGUMENT WITH HIM!!!11!! YAY!11!

lol. That's what they're really doing, you know.

Gus was defeated?

960 CarleeCork  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 10:47:09pm

re: #135 b_sharp

I wonder if she is excluding statutory rape from purely violent rape?

Throughout history, girls were married and pregnant at extremely young ages, even younger than 13. She may have been looking at it from that angle, but if so, she totally ignored current moral sensibilities, which I might add, are backed by health issues. She made an ignorant appeal to what is called the naturalistic fallacy and acted stupidly.

She's saying the VICTIM wants to forget about it.

Should someone go after the 26 year-old man that took me to bed when I was 13? The 1970's were a different time.

REPEAT, the VICTIM wants it dropped.

Polanski is in his 70's. Give him probation and put him on a sex offender list.

This is just one more thing for the right to be outraged over.

961 Nimed  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 10:48:16pm

re: #956 JasonA

So I started playing Bioshock today. Very cool game. Reminds me of Half Life. I usually like to play evil characters in video games, but here... I just can't find it in me to harvest the Little Sisters.

I had semi-retired from my gaming days a few months before that coming out. The game has a Randian theme, right?

962 It's a cookbook!  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 10:48:19pm

re: #960 CarleeCork

She's saying the VICTIM wants to forget about it.

Should someone go after the 26 year-old man that took me to bed when I was 13? The 1970's were a different time.

REPEAT, the VICTIM wants it dropped.

Polanski is in his 70's. Give him probation and put him on a sex offender list.

This is just one more thing for the right to be outraged over.

I'm just as pissed that he gave our justice system the middle finger, though.

963 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 10:48:48pm

re: #958 cliffster

I swear my friends are in this exact awful situ.

Big time trainer $$, they are not doing it as much as they should.

ugh Cliff.

964 It's a cookbook!  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 10:49:24pm

re: #961 Nimed

I had semi-retired from my gaming days a few months before that coming out. The game has a Randian theme, right?

The antagonist's name is "Andrew Ryan." His rival's name is "Fontaine." Your contact in the game is a guy named "Atlas." It's anvilicious. Damn good, too.

965 ReamWorks SKG  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 10:50:24pm

and speaking of racism, one of my favorite Black Blogs has some good summaries on the various reactions to the Oscar Grant case

[Link: www.rippdemup.com...]

/// some of my best friends are black bloggers

966 CarleeCork  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 10:51:01pm

re: #962 JasonA

I'm just as pissed that he gave our justice system the middle finger, though.

The justice system gave him the middle finger. He had a plea bargain and the judge decided he didn't like the deal. That's why he split.

967 It's a cookbook!  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 10:52:03pm

re: #966 CarleeCork

The justice system gave him the middle finger. He had a plea bargain and the judge decided he didn't like the deal. That's why he split.

That's not how it works, though.

968 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 10:53:28pm

re: #961 Nimed

I had semi-retired from my gaming days a few months before that coming out. The game has a Randian theme, right?

It's a great game. :D It's basically about a dude going Galt at the bottom of the ocean. It doesn't exactly treat Ayn Rand's ideas kindly!

969 CarleeCork  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 10:54:50pm

re: #967 JasonA

That's not how it works, though.

So tell me how it works.

970 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 10:55:15pm

re: #957 iceweasel

SEE?? GUS DIDN'T ANSWER! THAT MEANS WE FINALLY WON AN ARGUMENT WITH HIM!!!11!! YAY!11!

lol. That's what they're really doing, you know.

I love a crazy!

971 Gus  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 10:55:16pm

re: #957 iceweasel

SEE?? GUS DIDN'T ANSWER! THAT MEANS WE FINALLY WON AN ARGUMENT WITH HIM!!!11!! YAY!11!

lol. That's what they're really doing, you know.

Sad, sad, sad. Really, it's pretty damn sad. They wrote a bunch of fiction in typical Rodent style about "my family" leaving Argentina because we were "Peronists" and screwed up the Argentine economy. In fact it was only a small part of the family that came here and my mom's side stayed behind. My father just followed his ultra conservative father here and he had to sell a small movie house he owned in order to move here. The punchline? They were anti-Peron. They never talked about him in the house other than a song they chanted in the anti-Peron protests in the 50s.

Duh-e.

972 Cato the Elder  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 10:55:45pm

re: #953 WindUpBird

He's so nuts, but I'll always love Mad Max :D

I actually went on Amazon a couple of years ago and bought the original "Mad Max" in the Australian version, without the cheesy American dub job.

And no, I don't regret it.

973 It's a cookbook!  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 10:55:58pm

re: #969 CarleeCork

So tell me how it works.

Appeals. Not by fleeing the country and becoming a fugitive.

974 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 10:56:27pm

re: #972 Cato the Elder

I actually went on Amazon a couple of years ago and bought the original "Mad Max" in the Australian version, without the cheesy American dub job.

And no, I don't regret it.

Oh that's a good idea! I think I've only ever seen the American version ;_;

975 Nimed  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 10:57:08pm

re: #964 JasonA

The antagonist's name is "Andrew Ryan." His rival's name is "Fontaine." Your contact in the game is a guy named "Atlas." It's anvilicious. Damn good, too.

re: #968 WindUpBird

It's a great game. :D It's basically about a dude going Galt at the bottom of the ocean. It doesn't exactly treat Ayn Rand's ideas kindly!

Right, that was my impresson. The story background is some kind of dystopia -- a mix of Galt's Gulch and biological sci-fi.

976 It's a cookbook!  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 10:57:30pm

re: #968 WindUpBird

It's a great game. :D It's basically about a dude going Galt at the bottom of the ocean. It doesn't exactly treat Ayn Rand's ideas kindly!

They even throw in the "Is a man not entitled..." line. I love it.

977 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 10:58:26pm

re: #975 Nimed

Right, that was my impresson. The story background is some kind of dystopia -- a mix of Galt's Gulch and biological sci-fi.

Yep!

Though, I will say, System Shock 2 is overall a better game, Bioshock is still fantastic.

978 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 10:58:54pm

re: #976 JasonA

They even throw in the "Is a man not entitled..." line. I love it.

The splicer lines kill me :D "GET THE FUCK OUT OF MY OFFICE!" "YOU CALL THAT A TENDERLOIN?!?!"

979 Millicent Islam  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 11:00:14pm

re: #971 Gus 802

Sad, sad, sad. Really, it's pretty damn sad. They wrote a bunch of fiction in typical Rodent style about "my family" leaving Argentina because we were "Peronists" and screwed up the Argentine economy. In fact it was only a small part of the family that came here and my mom's side stayed behind. My father just followed his ultra conservative father here and he had to sell a small movie house he owned in order to move here. The punchline? They were anti-Peron. They never talked about him in the house other than a song they chanted in the anti-Peron protests in the 50s.

Duh-e.

This is just what they do, though. They make shit up! and get it hilariously wrong. In general anything they say you can assume the exact opposite is true. they do it to Charles every day.

980 CarleeCork  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 11:01:02pm

re: #973 JasonA

Appeals. Not by fleeing the country and becoming a fugitive.

So he should be punished for something that happened 33 years ago even though the victim wants to let it go?

981 Millicent Islam  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 11:01:20pm

re: #959 JasonA

Gus was defeated?

NEVAH! Them's Fightin Words!

982 Gus  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 11:02:28pm

re: #979 iceweasel

This is just what they do, though. They make shit up! and get it hilariously wrong. In general anything they say you can assume the exact opposite is true. they do it to Charles every day.

I'm just going to start planing information and watch the reaction. Can't do it now since they'll know since they're always watching.

//

983 boxhead  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 11:02:52pm

re: #851 iceweasel

Daisy daisy...

984 Nimed  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 11:03:37pm

re: #976 JasonA

They even throw in the "Is a man not entitled..." line. I love it.

re: #977 WindUpBird

Yep!

Though, I will say, System Shock 2 is overall a better game, Bioshock is still fantastic.

Image: libertarian_freedom.png

AND

[Link: www.leftycartoons.com...]

I love the "more libertarian than thou" type. It's very rare to meet a genuine one -- a crazy among crazies!

985 Cato the Elder  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 11:04:09pm

re: #958 cliffster

I've taken her to the vet and asked for drugs to chill her out. Vet said there are no drugs for that, that drugs actually make it worse. Gave us a number of a trainer. Very expensive trainer. As in, do my kids go to pre-school, or does my elderly dog get a psych exam. Got an appointment, we'll see. We love the dog. She is an amazing little creature. Spends her time outside now when the kids are around. None of this is her fault; I hate it. I would tell you what I would do to her previous owner if I could track him/her down, but it probably get me put in LGF timeout.

Dude, dogs are by nature unpredictable. I've been lucky; the two I've had since I was an adult both had issues, but I was able to work them out. Still, Penny, my Husky girl who came to me from the pound at 18 months, would sometimes snap at kids. But only when there were, like, six of them all petting her at the same time. I finally realized that I couldn't have more than two kids around her at a time.

When I got her, she was afraid of a) staircases b) tiled rooms c) hands d) other dogs e) abandonment. We worked it all out, and I still miss her and keep her picture among the family portraits.

You don't have to spend a fortune on dog training. Find a sensitive, local, reasonably priced trainer who understands the problem and work with him/her. When Haku became my medical service dog (I'd had him for two-and-a-half-years before my doctor recommended it), he was not ready for restaurants, hotels, planes, trains, busses, or the subway grates in NYC. A simple training course did the job.

Do not give up.

986 webevintage  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 11:05:18pm

re: #980 CarleeCork

So he should be punished for something that happened 33 years ago even though the victim wants to let it go?

He drugged and raped a 13 year old.
Drugged. Raped. 13.

987 Gus  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 11:05:21pm

re: #982 Gus 802

I'm just going to start planing information and watch the reaction. Can't do it now since they'll know since they're always watching.

//

Planting information that is.

While I'm at it. I'm half Chinese and my mother's father left China after a power struggle within the People's Party in China and he was being sought by the Maoist secret police. They sailed from China to Chile and eventually found their way to Argentina were they began a Communist collective in San Carlos de Bariloche. He was friends with Che Guevara.

//Too early.

988 It's a cookbook!  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 11:05:33pm

re: #980 CarleeCork

So he should be punished for something that happened 33 years ago even though the victim wants to let it go?

I think so. And I'm not sure how relevant the victim's wishes are.

989 Nimed  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 11:06:48pm

re: #980 CarleeCork

So he should be punished for something that happened 33 years ago even though the victim wants to let it go?

Do you think that rapists and other criminals should go unpunished if their victims want to let it go?

990 It's a cookbook!  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 11:07:53pm

re: #989 Nimed

Do you think that rapists and other criminals should go unpunished if their victims want to let it go?

I'm pretty sure a whole lot of abusive husbands wish it were so...

991 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 11:09:49pm

re: #980 CarleeCork

So he should be punished for something that happened 33 years ago even though the victim wants to let it go?

Yes, justice delayed is justice denied.

992 boxhead  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 11:09:57pm

re: #988 JasonA

I think so. And I'm not sure how relevant the victim's wishes are.

exhibit A in the case of Humans can be depraved vs all of us. :p

The mom was complicit as well. Nothing good in this tale of folks feeding all their desires regardless of consequences episode IVLLLXX.

(don't know what that number is but since this is an old tale, Roman numerals seemed appropriate)

//

993 zora  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 11:13:56pm

re: #980 CarleeCork

absolutely. would your response be the same if it was a priest who was the offender?

994 Gus  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 11:16:48pm

Where's Thanos?

995 Aye Pod  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 11:17:38pm

re: #994 Gus 802

Where's Thanos?

I've been wondering the same thing.

996 Gus  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 11:18:21pm

re: #995 Jimmah

I've been wondering the same thing.

Haven't seen him for a while. He just had open heart surgery and checked in here. Haven't seen him since.

997 boxhead  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 11:19:04pm

re: #994 Gus 802

Where's Thanos?

Here... :)

998 Aye Pod  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 11:19:13pm

re: #996 Gus 802

Haven't seen him for a while. He just had open heart surgery and checked in here. Haven't seen him since.

I didn't know that - damn - hope he's doing ok.

999 cliffster  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 11:19:41pm

re: #985 Cato the Elder

Thanks Cato - I appreciate that. My vet paints a really grim picture ("you can't change a dog that bites into a dog that doesn't bite") but I've also gotten some other opinions. The hard part is the kids - one little snap and one of them could be staring at a scarred face in the mirror for the rest of their life. So, like I said, she generally stays outside when they're awake and around. But no, we're not giving up.

Incidentally, I clicked through comments and stumbled across your #710, which I wish I had read before saying anything tonight. That's a real pickle.. sounds like the ladies are young and in need and that makes it hard. I was early-twenties and in need, and guilty of some real asinine behavior that I wish had been treated less gently than it was. Looking out for yourself, you're also looking out for them.

1000 boxhead  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 11:20:01pm

re: #996 Gus 802

oof... sorry for the joke comment... did not know.. prayers to him!

1001 Gus  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 11:20:14pm

re: #998 Jimmah

I didn't know that - damn - hope he's doing ok.

Heart bypass...

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

1002 Gus  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 11:20:44pm

re: #1000 boxhead

oof... sorry for the joke comment... did not know.. prayers to him!

Oh, that's OK. :)

1003 Mr Pancakes  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 11:21:04pm

re: #890 Walter L. Newton

Yuk.. even when I was drinking up every ounce of booze I could get my hand on, even though I lived in Golden Colorado, home of Coors, I would have never drunk an ounce of that crap.

Ummm ... Somebody must like it... they sell a shitload of it.

1004 cliffster  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 11:21:50pm

re: #1001 Gus 802

Heart bypass...

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Wow. Hope he's recovering well.

1005 Aye Pod  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 11:23:15pm

re: #1001 Gus 802

Heart bypass...

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

I expect he'll be taking it easy for a while. Hope he has a speedy recovery from the op.

1006 Gus  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 11:23:59pm

re: #1004 cliffster

Wow. Hope he's recovering well.

Hopefully that's what he's doing. Hasn't posted on his blog since the 1st and here on the 8th.

1007 Gus  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 11:26:14pm

I don't have his email. Maybe someone can check in.

1008 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 11:29:22pm

re: #947 Gus 802

I was just reading one blog entry they made about me about three days ago. They should have notified me because a few people were actually talking to me directly as if I was there. Of course they got everything wrong. Maybe they missed their calling. They should be in show business or perhaps comics.

They read everything over here obsessively. They don't understand that it's not mutual.

1009 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 11:30:36pm

re: #955 lostlakehiker

All blonds are villains if male, Bond girls if female. Sheesh. Everybody knows that. It's right there in the Work of Ian Fleming.

I think that's just because Bond is a brunet, and needs contrast.

1010 Gus  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 11:33:27pm

re: #1008 SanFranciscoZionist

They read everything over here obsessively. They don't understand that it's not mutual.

It certainly isn't. I don't even have the urge to troll them which would be rather easy. Wouldn't serve a purpose. They kind of bubbled up over here last week so I looked in about 3 times since. Before that I didn't even look for about 4 months or maybe it was 6 months.

1011 cliffster  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 11:38:54pm

re: #1007 Gus 802

I don't have his email. Maybe someone can check in.

Clicked around on the blog and don't see anything saying, "Send me a note". Oh well, hopefully he'll drop a line here soon.

1012 Nimed  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 11:39:34pm

re: #947 Gus 802

I was just reading one blog entry they made about me about three days ago. They should have notified me because a few people were actually talking to me directly as if I was there. Of course they got everything wrong. Maybe they missed their calling. They should be in show business or perhaps comics.

re: #1008 SanFranciscoZionist

They read everything over here obsessively. They don't understand that it's not mutual.

Eh, fuck'em. Like WUP said once, let the fan club be the fan club.

1013 Gus  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 11:39:46pm

re: #1011 cliffster

Clicked around on the blog and don't see anything saying, "Send me a note". Oh well, hopefully he'll drop a line here soon.

Yeah, I looked too. Didn't see an email. I think Dark Falcon might have his email.

1014 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 11:39:58pm

re: #960 CarleeCork


Should someone go after the 26 year-old man that took me to bed when I was 13? The 1970's were a different time.

Did he drug you, rape you, and skip town for thirty years when charged? If so, yes, I still want his ass tracked down and called to account. Yeah, the seventies were a different time...they were, among other things, a time when proving rape in court was much harder, and crimes against women treated far less seriously. God alone knows what Polanski would have been charged with now.

I hear what you're saying about the victim's wishes, and after the crap the press laid on her, I can see where she is coming from, but this is a man who has evaded justice for a long, long time, and I got no sympathy for him. It would be much easier for the victim if, instead of dragging this out, Polanski agreed to return to the U.S. and serve a sentence quietly, but he won't do that because he didn't give a shit about her when she was thirteen, and he doesn't give a shit now. I'm reasonably sure she was not his first or last victim, either, although that's entirely the dark suspicions of my own mind.

This isn't a left-right thing.

1015 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 11:40:26pm

re: #960 CarleeCork

She's saying the VICTIM wants to forget about it.

Should someone go after the 26 year-old man that took me to bed when I was 13? The 1970's were a different time.

REPEAT, the VICTIM wants it dropped.

Polanski is in his 70's. Give him probation and put him on a sex offender list.

This is just one more thing for the right to be outraged over.

Also, that's not what Whoopi was saying. She said "It wasn't rape-rape." It was.

1016 Gus  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 11:41:50pm

re: #1012 Nimed

Eh, fuck'em. Like WUP said once, let the fan club be the fan club.

Funny because that's partially how I see it. I have a fan club of crazy people. It's pretty funny. I haven't smoked any pot for over a year but when I do I'll probably get an extra kick out of my sad fan club.

1017 Millicent Islam  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 11:48:18pm

re: #1012 Nimed

Eh, fuck'em. Like WUP said once, let the fan club be the fan club.

Exactly.

1018 Gus  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 11:50:21pm

re: #1017 iceweasel

Exactly.

Maybe we can sell them t-shirts.

"I trolled Gus 802 while web surfing at my MIL's house but he didn't respond."

//

1019 cliffster  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 11:51:43pm

what's up with someone having Polanski's back?

1020 Gus  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 11:52:00pm

Matt Hedges... LOL

1021 Aye Pod  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 11:53:26pm

re: #1020 Gus 802

Matt Hedges... LOL

"WELCOME!"

1022 Millicent Islam  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 11:53:43pm

re: #1015 SanFranciscoZionist

Also, that's not what Whoopi was saying. She said "It wasn't rape-rape." It was.

There's a very good argument for prosecuting rape regardless of whether the victim wants to go through with the trial: because rape is a crime and part of the nature of that crime is to intimidate women into silence. We don't need the battered spouse's consent to go through with domestic violence prosecutions either, necessarily. If someone was murdered and there were no survivors or family to 'complain', we would still prosecute.

Because we have to. Crimes against individuals are also crimes against the fabric of society and the social contract and the system. The State has an interest-- indeed, that is partly the purpose for the existence of a State-- in maintaining that contract. Protecting and enforcing the law is mandatory.

The victim needs to be shielded as much as possible. But not to the extent of shielding perpetrators too.

1023 Aye Pod  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 11:54:34pm

re: #1021 Jimmah

"WELCOME!"

I didn't see anyone welcoming Matt Hedges there did you? Nope. Didn't happen. Honestly./

1024 Millicent Islam  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 11:54:37pm

re: #1018 Gus 802

Maybe we can sell them t-shirts.

"I trolled Gus 802 while web surfing at my MIL's house but he didn't respond."

//

ahahahaha tshirts that say:

I trolled Gus and all I got was this lousy repetitive stress injury!

1025 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 11:55:22pm

re: #1014 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm reasonably sure she was not his first or last victim, either, although that's entirely the dark suspicions of my own mind.

Not entirely within:

An English actress who appeared in Roman Polanski's 1986 movie "Pirates" said on Friday that the director sexually abused her decades ago in Paris when she was 16.

Charlotte Lewis made her claim as U.S. authorities pressed for Polanski's extradition from Switzerland to face sentencing for having sex with a 13-year-old girl in 1977.

"Mr. Polanski knew that I was only 16 years old when he met me and forced himself upon me in his apartment in Paris," Lewis said in prepared remarks at a news conference in Los Angeles.

"He took advantage of me and I have lived with the effects of his behavior ever since it occurred," she said.

1026 Millicent Islam  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 11:55:50pm

re: #1020 Gus 802

Matt Hedges... LOL

Still hearing this in my nabe, every night:

Goddamn, how obvious could he have been? Sheesh.

1027 Gus  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 11:56:08pm

re: #1024 iceweasel

ahahahaha tshirts that say:

I trolled Gus and all I got was this lousy repetitive stress injury!

I broke my wrist getting this screen shot of Gus's comment.

Signed, Fenway_Cooper

//

1028 cliffster  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 11:58:23pm
1029 Nimed  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 11:59:06pm

re: #1027 Gus 802

I broke my wrist getting this screen shot of Gus's comment.

Signed, Fenway_Cooper

//

There goes Cooper's sex life.
/

1030 Gus  Mon, Jul 12, 2010 11:59:19pm

re: #1026 iceweasel

Still hearing this in my nabe, every night:

[Video]Goddamn, how obvious could he have been? Sheesh.

I always get a kick when I see those hip-hop or rap group videos being posted at the Stalker Site™. You know, those guys like Snoop, etc, would spit in those tighties faces if the met them in real life.

1031 Gus  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 12:02:58am

re: #1029 Nimed

There goes Cooper's sex life.
/

Yep, you can say that. I almost said more but that would make me like them. I'm above that.

1032 Aye Pod  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 12:05:53am

re: #1030 Gus 802

I always get a kick when I see those hip-hop or rap group videos being posted at the Stalker Site™. You know, those guys like Snoop, etc, would spit in those tighties faces if the met them in real life.

Heh. I've mused on that too. They've got stinky, smelly old Ted Nugent in their corner and that's about it.

1033 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 12:09:31am

Night, all.

1034 Gus  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 12:10:44am

Gulf Coast Pundit. The original hate site of inbred fat ass "anti-Jidhadists."

1035 Gus  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 12:11:17am

How does someone fight terrorists in front of their computer?

You can't.

1036 Gus  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 12:13:36am
1037 Gus  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 12:16:51am
1038 Millicent Islam  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 12:17:57am

re: #1028 cliffster

Matt Hedges

Matt Hedges

Matt Hedges

LOL @ the GOP candidate.

Actually people who do the sort of thing he was up to are highly likely to take names of other people they hate. For all we know one of those Matt Hedges is someone else our troll buddy hates and has a prob with.

1039 Millicent Islam  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 12:19:57am

re: #1032 Jimmah

Heh. I've mused on that too. They've got stinky, smelly old Ted Nugent in their corner and that's about it.

I've lost count of how many times republicans (let alone wingnuts) have tried to use music only to be told by the band to fuck off. lol.

Didnt that happen more than once to McCain?

1040 Gus  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 12:20:42am
1041 Aye Pod  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 12:21:43am

Night folks :)

1042 Gus  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 12:21:59am

re: #1039 iceweasel

I've lost count of how many times republicans (let alone wingnuts) have tried to use music only to be told by the band to fuck off. lol.

Didnt that happen more than once to McCain?

You know. I bet even Ted Nugent would be like "what the fuck" if he ever met these freaks.

1043 Gus  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 12:22:23am

re: #1041 Jimmah

Night folks :)

Later Jimmah!

1044 Aye Pod  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 12:22:51am

re: #1039 iceweasel

I've lost count of how many times republicans (let alone wingnuts) have tried to use music only to be told by the band to fuck off. lol.

Didnt that happen more than once to McCain?

I remember the Clash were pissed off at the use of Rock the Casbah during the Iraq War.

Off now - have a good one :)

1045 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 12:23:00am

re: #1040 Gus 802

Mastodon covers Think Lizzy's Emerald :D

1046 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 12:24:17am

re: #1039 iceweasel

I've lost count of how many times republicans (let alone wingnuts) have tried to use music only to be told by the band to fuck off. lol.

Didnt that happen more than once to McCain?

It happened to fucking Ronald Reagan! He tried to use Born in the USA by Springsteen, whoops, probably shoulda read the lyrics!

To be fair, conservatives have got most of Pantera. They can have Phil Anselmo ALL TO THEMSELVES. :D

1047 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 12:26:07am

re: #1039 iceweasel

I've lost count of how many times republicans (let alone wingnuts) have tried to use music only to be told by the band to fuck off. lol.

Didnt that happen more than once to McCain?

I am James Taylor's smirking revenge.

1048 Millicent Islam  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 12:28:37am

re: #1046 WindUpBird

It happened to fucking Ronald Reagan! He tried to use Born in the USA by Springsteen, whoops, probably shoulda read the lyrics!

To be fair, conservatives have got most of Pantera. They can have Phil Anselmo ALL TO THEMSELVES. :D

AHAHAHA-- Yes, I remember that distinctly. WTF? CLASSIC.

There's still loads of wingnuts who think that's a yay YOO ESS AYY song. ;)

They probably also love AMERICA-FUCK YEAH!
But not as much as I do. ;)

Wingnuts: suffering a terminal snark deficiency since birth.

1049 Millicent Islam  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 12:30:09am

re: #1047 goddamnedfrank

I am James Taylor's smirking revenge.

I will never stop loving your posts. Nevah!!
Always the best image link, always. WUB is great too.
Although Gus kicked some ass with that obvious troll one tonight, I must say.

1050 Gus  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 12:30:50am

re: #1048 iceweasel

AHAHAHA-- Yes, I remember that distinctly. WTF? CLASSIC.

There's still loads of wingnuts who think that's a yay YOO ESS AYY song. ;)

They probably also love AMERICA-FUCK YEAH!
But not as much as I do. ;)

[Video]Wingnuts: suffering a terminal snark deficiency since birth.

9 years later.

They don't even get the irony of the lyrics and the images.

1051 Millicent Islam  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 12:32:27am

re: #1050 Gus 802

9 years later.

They don't even get the irony of the lyrics and the images.

They were born with an irony deficiency.
I really think this explains so much.

1052 Gus  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 12:35:36am

re: #1051 iceweasel

They were born with an irony deficiency.
I really think this explains so much.

I still think the "born again" nutwings are the funniest though. They used to be left wing "until after 911." At least according to their testimony. They always have that testimony too if you haven't noticed. David Horowitz is the chief born-again nutcase. They're like ex-smokers. The most obnoxious about smoking.

1053 Gus  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 12:38:03am

I was once a left wing prevert but after 9/11 I saw the light! Now I hate all of my old friends. I found new friends thought. They're all online. Haven't met them yet but I'm gettin' to that. I hate them there Muslims. They is the enemy and all of my old secular librul friends can't see that they is de enemy!

1054 Millicent Islam  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 12:38:25am

re: #1052 Gus 802

I still think the "born again" nutwings are the funniest though. They used to be left wing "until after 911." At least according to their testimony. They always have that testimony too if you haven't noticed. David Horowitz is the chief born-again nutcase. They're like ex-smokers. The most obnoxious about smoking.

It's going to be reallly interesting to see how that all shakes out what with the Ron Paul convergence/new isolationism that KT has been highlighting. What's a poor bloodthirsty warlovin wingnut to do?

1055 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 12:39:22am

re: #1052 Gus 802

I still think the "born again" nutwings are the funniest though. They used to be left wing "until after 911." At least according to their testimony. They always have that testimony too if you haven't noticed. David Horowitz is the chief born-again nutcase. They're like ex-smokers. The most obnoxious about smoking.

It's that whole "I had a revelation and I've seen the truth and the skies have parted!" and then they just can't wait to wave their ego around and hassle everyone they know :P

1056 Gus  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 12:40:41am

re: #1054 iceweasel

It's going to be reallly interesting to see how that all shakes out what with the Ron Paul convergence/new isolationism that KT has been highlighting. What's a poor bloodthirsty warlovin wingnut to do?

Howorwitz has one now by the name of David Swindle. He's a libertarian that was endorsing Obama in 2008 and now he's a born again conservative. Allegedly. There was another move from the right today that pleaded to pull out of Afghanistan. I forgot the reference.

1057 Gus  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 12:42:34am

re: #1055 WindUpBird

It's that whole "I had a revelation and I've seen the truth and the skies have parted!" and then they just can't wait to wave their ego around and hassle everyone they know :P

Yeah. But the reality is more like..."my girlfriend thought I was a liberal but after 911 I turned into a right wing douche bag and not I hate her and all of her friends hate me. So, I made friends with right wing nutcase David Horowitz and I stay home all day blogging about people I hate."

1058 Millicent Islam  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 12:43:12am

re: #1053 Gus 802

I was once a left wing prevert but after 9/11 I saw the light! Now I hate all of my old friends. I found new friends thought. They're all online. Haven't met them yet but I'm gettin' to that. I hate them there Muslims. They is the enemy and all of my old secular librul friends can't see that they is de enemy!

You remember that story I told the other night about my youthful encounter with an antichoice nut. They lie. They shamelessly lie about 'personal testimonies'.
You can see why. In wingnut world, asking us to consider people's experiences ever is all about 'victimhood' and 'manipulating people'. It justifies all sorts of depraved acts for them-- like stalking a 12 year old boy who spoke up for S-Chip. Like pretending you had an abortion and now you're infertile. Like saying you usta be a lefty prevert and that's how you know all them lefties are eeevil.

Etc. They probably borrow some of it from evangelicals use of 'testimony', esp in the 'i was a filthy homosexshul and now i've been cured' movement.

1059 Millicent Islam  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 12:46:14am

It occurs to me that dear Zombie was a shining example of the douchebaggery I just outlined.

I was a seekrit lefty!1
I live amongst the lefties, PHOTOS to come!1
I sit in on academic lectures, I know what the lefties REALLY plot, they think I'm one of them!1
I've attended antiwar protests, I blend right in! They tell me everything!

lol.

1060 Gus  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 12:47:02am

re: #1058 iceweasel

You remember that story I told the other night about my youthful encounter with an antichoice nut. They lie. They shamelessly lie about 'personal testimonies'.
You can see why. In wingnut world, asking us to consider people's experiences ever is all about 'victimhood' and 'manipulating people'. It justifies all sorts of depraved acts for them-- like stalking a 12 year old boy who spoke up for S-Chip. Like pretending you had an abortion and now you're infertile. Like saying you usta be a lefty prevert and that's how you know all them lefties are eeevil.

Etc. They probably borrow some of it from evangelicals use of 'testimony', esp in the 'i was a filthy homosexshul and now i've been cured' movement.

Which is pretty funny. Again. They should consider an alternate career in comedy. Here I was thinking about the economy and they send people what? Rand Paul? Sharron Angle? We need to create jobs and they're all worried about gay marriage? Who the fecking hell cares about gay marriage. They should legalize it once and for all. But instead the GOP brings out these retarded homophobic candidates.

1061 tnguitarist  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 12:47:30am

Oy. I'm trying to fix my sleep schedule. It's not working.

1062 Nene1  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 12:48:44am

re: #710 Cato the Elder
Ever hear of the saying "Nobody ever washes a rental car" ?
Renters always treal properties like shit. They treat other people's property in a way they would never dream of treating their own.

My mother owned a block of Student Flats in Glasgow, Scotland, for ten years.
The tenants would steal electricity with extension cables from the landings' sockets intended for vacuum cleaners, use cookers in the communal kitchens for space heating, avoid paying rent at all until threatened with the Bailiffs, steal furniture and fixtures when they moved out ... and these were to be the future Captains of Industry, the best educated of our elite.

Never again.

If others here do rent and treat their lettings respectively, then please accept my apologies for the stain on your characters, but understand that you are in a minority.

1063 Millicent Islam  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 12:49:10am

re: #1060 Gus 802

Which is pretty funny. Again. They should consider an alternate career in comedy. Here I was thinking about the economy and they send people what? Rand Paul? Sharron Angle? We need to create jobs and they're all worried about gay marriage? Who the fecking hell cares about gay marriage. They should legalize it once and for all. But instead the GOP brings out these retarded homophobic candidates.

Livin' in the past. Can't quite let go of the culture wars, can't accept it's over, -- and can't pry the deathgrip of the religious right off their throat. (cf Palin pic, Dobson. etc)

1064 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 12:50:01am

re: #1059 iceweasel

It occurs to me that dear Zombie was a shining example of the douchebaggery I just outlined.

I was a seekrit lefty!1
I live amongst the lefties, PHOTOS to come!1
I sit in on academic lectures, I know what the lefties REALLY plot, they think I'm one of them!1
I've attended antiwar protests, I blend right in! They tell me everything!

lol.

The person with power fantasies of being a secret agent? :D

1065 Gus  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 12:50:17am

re: #1059 iceweasel

It occurs to me that dear Zombie was a shining example of the douchebaggery I just outlined.

I was a seekrit lefty!1
I live amongst the lefties, PHOTOS to come!1
I sit in on academic lectures, I know what the lefties REALLY plot, they think I'm one of them!1
I've attended antiwar protests, I blend right in! They tell me everything!

lol.

OK, I'll say it.

Zombie gets a sexual thrill out of going to Folsom. He uses the "journalistic mask" to hide his/her/it proclivities towards his homosexual tendencies. I'm willing to bet that there's a good chance that Zombie is a closeted homosexual. Which is cool BTW but kind of freaky considering he pretends to hate gays when he isn't sleeping.

1066 Millicent Islam  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 12:51:40am

re: #1062 Nene1


If others here do rent and treat their lettings respectively, then please accept my apologies for the stain on your characters, but understand that you are in a minority.

Some of that probably was worse because they were students. But yeah, everyone who owns property always talks about how difficult it is to get good tenants.
You'd think we'd be in demand, but there's enough asshole landlords out there too...

1067 Gus  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 12:51:51am

re: #1064 WindUpBird

The person with power fantasies of being a secret agent? :D

Yep. Zombie. I think he's really a closeted gay man. Or woman. We never really found out.

1068 Gus  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 12:52:47am

re: #1064 WindUpBird

The person with power fantasies of being a secret agent? :D

You missed it though. Back in the day Zombie would come into LGF and say the sky is yellow-green and he would make the top ten.

1069 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 12:53:38am

re: #1059 iceweasel

It occurs to me that dear Zombie was a shining example of the douchebaggery I just outlined.

I was a seekrit lefty!1
I live amongst the lefties, PHOTOS to come!1
I sit in on academic lectures, I know what the lefties REALLY plot, they think I'm one of them!1
I've attended antiwar protests, I blend right in! They tell me everything!

lol.

The Donkey Whisperer (link goes to cached version for soon to be obvious reasons.)

I was aiming for funny but got this instead. GIS giveth, and GIS taketh away.

1070 Millicent Islam  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 12:54:16am

re: #1064 WindUpBird

The person with power fantasies of being a secret agent? :D

Yes. You would have loved him. :D Could have used you around here then, that's for sure. CapeCoddah's rhetoric about Folsom? Those voices used to drown everyone else out.
We also had a pet 'gay person' who likewise always told us how horrible and promiscuous gay people are.
Feh.

1071 Millicent Islam  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 12:55:17am

re: #1069 goddamnedfrank

The Donkey Whisperer (link goes to cached version for soon to be obvious reasons.)

I was aiming for funny but got this instead. GIS giveth, and GIS taketh away.

Oh my god, what is that? ugh Who is that person?

1072 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 12:55:41am

re: #1062 Nene1


Ever hear of the saying "Nobody ever washes a rental car" ?
Renters always treal properties like shit. They treat other people's property in a way they would never dream of treating their own.

My mother owned a block of Student Flats in Glasgow, Scotland, for ten years.
The tenants would steal electricity with extension cables from the landings' sockets intended for vacuum cleaners, use cookers in the communal kitchens for space heating, avoid paying rent at all until threatened with the Bailiffs, steal furniture and fixtures when they moved out ... and these were to be the future Captains of Industry, the best educated of our elite.

Never again.

If others here do rent and treat their lettings respectively, then please accept my apologies for the stain on your characters, but understand that you are in a minority.

hahaha I totally rent, I wish I could own, but this is still the west coast and I am still a self-employed artist, may be a while :D I ain't moving anywhere else, that's for sure.

I have left some junk behind in rental properties, but I've never welched on rent, never stolen anything, and I've been fucked over for about three grand in various deposits despite busting my ass to clean and leave a pristine unit...and been screwed over in other various and sundry ways by shitty apartment managers over the years. Ahh memories. I'm really happy with my current apt managers though, they're nice, they're polite, they repair stuff, and they're forthcoming with everything.

1073 Gus  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 12:55:56am

re: #1070 iceweasel

Yes. You would have loved him. :D Could have used you around here then, that's for sure. CapeCoddah's rhetoric about Folsom? Those voices used to drown everyone else out.
We also had a pet 'gay person' who likewise always told us how horrible and promiscuous gay people are.
Feh.

Zombie is a homophobic idiot. Not much more after that.

1074 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 12:57:50am

re: #1065 Gus 802

OK, I'll say it.

Zombie gets a sexual thrill out of going to Folsom. He uses the "journalistic mask" to hide his/her/it proclivities towards his homosexual tendencies. I'm willing to bet that there's a good chance that Zombie is a closeted homosexual. Which is cool BTW but kind of freaky considering he pretends to hate gays when he isn't sleeping.

Nobody goes to Folsom unless they want to see what's at Folsom, yes. :)

My favorite thing about Zombie's horseshit about Folsom is there's more than a couple people here who just gulp it down happily.

1075 tnguitarist  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 12:59:07am

I've stumbled on to a conversation. Is this Zombie an old poster?

1076 Millicent Islam  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:00:18am

re: #1068 Gus 802

You missed it though. Back in the day Zombie would come into LGF and say the sky is yellow-green and he would make the top ten.

Yep. People flipped when I started calling him out. Zombie flipped too.

re: #1073 Gus 802

Zombie is a homophobic idiot. Not much more after that.

Oh I think you got it upthread. Closeted. Like most homophobic haters who are compulsively drawn to teh ghey.
I MUST COLLECT THIS GHEY PR0N AND ATTEND THESE FETISH CONVENTIONS SO I CAN ALERT YOU, MY FLOCK, TO THE DANGER OF THE GHEY! PLS DONATE TO COVER MY EXPENSES!1!
(actual dude)

1077 Gus  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:00:37am

re: #1074 WindUpBird

Nobody goes to Folsom unless they want to see what's at Folsom, yes. :)

My favorite thing about Zombie's horseshit about Folsom is there's more than a couple people here who just gulp it down happily.

Exactly. Which can happen. So you have to wonder why this Zombie he/she/it would want to make at trip to go see that on several occasions between Thanksgiving dinner with his family. He/she/it made it a point of doing so on many occasions.

1078 Nimed  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:00:50am

re: #1046 WindUpBird

It happened to fucking Ronald Reagan! He tried to use Born in the USA by Springsteen, whoops, probably shoulda read the lyrics!

They probably read the lyrics. "Hey, 'sent me off to Vietnam to go and kill the yellow man'. Springsteen's alright." Speaking of which, I was Just listening to OK COMPUTER:

That's it sir, you're leaving, the crackle of pig skin, the dust and the screaming
The yuppies networking, the panic, the vomit, the panic, the vomit
God loves his children, God loves his children, yeah


God, yuppies networking, panic. It could be theme song for the next GOP campaign.

1079 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:01:52am

re: #1070 iceweasel

Yes. You would have loved him. :D Could have used you around here then, that's for sure. CapeCoddah's rhetoric about Folsom? Those voices used to drown everyone else out.
We also had a pet 'gay person' who likewise always told us how horrible and promiscuous gay people are.
Feh.

You're making me all wistful for what might have been! The "me" you see here these days? That's at about 20% intensity, because the climate on LGF is mostly pretty respectful, when it's not, it's usually taken care of with warnings and timeouts. If there were a bunch of gay-bashing imbeciles running wild? OH it would have been on.

These bigot types, they're all weak internet. Because they don't ever hone their iinternet skills in places where they can have their ass handed to them, because bigots are always stupid and easy to dismantle. They have no idea how to play this stuff, they think volume is all there is to it. Classic bullies. No ability to duel on equal ground.

1080 Gus  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:02:28am

re: #1076 iceweasel

Oh I think you got it upthread. Closeted. Like most homophobic haters who are compulsively drawn to teh ghey.
I MUST COLLECT THIS GHEY PR0N AND ATTEND THESE FETISH CONVENTIONS SO I CAN ALERT YOU, MY FLOCK, TO THE DANGER OF THE GHEY! PLS DONATE TO COVER MY EXPENSES!1!
(actual dude)

Happened to me too. I was one of the first to say something and it freaked a lot of the regulars out. I even said something about why do you guys upding this guy no matter what he/she/it says? Freaked out the big "S".

1081 Gus  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:03:34am

Zombie was treated like a god. Even though he didn't make much sense.

1082 freetoken  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:04:19am

re: #1062 Nene1

You've grossly overgeneralized.

I've always treated the property I've rented as well as that I owned.

And, there are many owners of property who are atrocious in their upkeep.

1083 Nene1  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:04:30am

re: #1072 WindUpBird
Sorry to hear that you've been shafted in the past.

I believe that tenants' deposits should be handled by a third party, independant of both Landlord and Tenant, who would inspect properties when tenants leave in order to ensure fair play - That the Landlord be compensated if the Tenants trash the place, and likewise the Tenant not have his or her deposit unfairly retained by unscrupulous Landlords if the property is left clean and tidy.

I believe that there would be a demand for such a service, and I am supprised that others haven't started one already.

1084 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:05:48am

re: #1076 iceweasel

Oh I think you got it upthread. Closeted. Like most homophobic haters who are compulsively drawn to teh ghey.
I MUST COLLECT THIS GHEY PR0N AND ATTEND THESE FETISH CONVENTIONS SO I CAN ALERT YOU, MY FLOCK, TO THE DANGER OF THE GHEY! PLS DONATE TO COVER MY EXPENSES!1!
(actual dude)

Let me tell you about the furry fandom...

Let me tell you about all the people I know, some of whom are friends of mine now! Who at first only were into the furry fandom because they were totally harshing on it, making fun of it, trashing the people in it, talking about how disgusting the horrible furries all were, etc etc. These people, who I used to duel with and argue on these internets with.

flash forward 6 years, 8 years. Now those same people? they're not only part of the fandom now, they are total out-and-proud kinksters in the fandom :D I have seen it happen with my own eyes.

1085 freetoken  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:06:13am

re: #1083 Nene1

Escrow services for rentals never seem to have gotten a foothold. I suspect that there is too little money to be made by the escrow company, as the land owners won't want to pay a fee for what they think they already are capable of doing.

1086 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:06:29am

re: #1081 Gus 802

Zombie was treated like a god. Even though he didn't make much sense.

Creepy. The more I hear about the commenters here from before, the more I get the willies.

1087 Millicent Islam  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:06:43am

re: #1079 WindUpBird

You're making me all wistful for what might have been! The "me" you see here these days? That's at about 20% intensity, because the climate on LGF is mostly pretty respectful, when it's not, it's usually taken care of with warnings and timeouts. If there were a bunch of gay-bashing imbeciles running wild? OH it would have been on.

These bigot types, they're all weak internet. Because they don't ever hone their iinternet skills in places where they can have their ass handed to them, because bigots are always stupid and easy to dismantle. They have no idea how to play this stuff, they think volume is all there is to it. Classic bullies. No ability to duel on equal ground.

Precisely.
I need to see you at some maximum intensity!

I've pretty much only ever been at 30% here ever, myself. And they don't grasp that.
Also there hasn't been any need to be more here. The moderation is good, that's why. And it is respectful-- as a result.
There were definitely times when I just wouldn't have been here. The climate was too different and not tolerant. (this is in the wild west days before charles was moderating like now or even could)

1088 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:07:08am

re: #1083 Nene1


Sorry to hear that you've been shafted in the past.

I believe that tenants' deposits should be handled by a third party, independant of both Landlord and Tenant, who would inspect properties when tenants leave in order to ensure fair play - That the Landlord be compensated if the Tenants trash the place, and likewise the Tenant not have his or her deposit unfairly retained by unscrupulous Landlords if the property is left clean and tidy.

I believe that there would be a demand for such a service, and I am supprised that others haven't started one already.

it'd be nice!

Too bad large landowners and rental companies have a lot more political clout than penniless renters ;-)

1089 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:07:40am

re: #1071 iceweasel

Oh my god, what is that? ugh Who is that person?

I have no idea, but they still link to LGF. Right alongside Malkin, PJM, Scrappleface, Powerline, and a bunch of other right wing blogs. Probably class of 2004, didn't get the memo.

1090 freetoken  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:08:13am

re: #1086 WindUpBird

Creepy. The more I hear about the commenters here from before, the more I get the willies.

Let's just say I used to get plenty of down-dings. Not as many as SpaceJesus of course, but divinity has its privileges.

1091 Millicent Islam  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:09:14am

re: #1075 tnguitarist

I've stumbled on to a conversation. Is this Zombie an old poster?

Hi tn, sorry, this is old news.
Yeah, this person who is a raving homophobe and bigot and blogger. Banned, natch.

1092 Nene1  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:10:01am

re: #1075 tnguitarist
Zombie was the No. 1 poster here for years. They were very secretive about their real 9identity - not even telling whether Male or Female - as they posted Photoshoots of various Left-Wing (when the Left was in its crazy period) rallies and protests at their own blog, 'Zombietime.dot.com'.

They were eventually banned after a particularly vicious anti-Gay posting about a street festival in SF with actual photos of sexual activity in public.

(It subsequently transpired that Zombie is a 'She' )

1093 Gus  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:10:32am

re: #1086 WindUpBird

Creepy. The more I hear about the commenters here from before, the more I get the willies.

Used to be pretty anal. You couldn't say anything about Zombie until the end when we realized he was just some homophobic nutcase. Zomebie's topics would either be gay sex or Communist symbolism he found around Berkeley. Which of course is like trying to find air when you leave your house. Zombie even freaked out over gay statues.

1094 Millicent Islam  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:11:30am

re: #1089 goddamnedfrank

I have no idea, but they still link to LGF. Right alongside Malkin, PJM, Scrappleface, Powerline, and a bunch of other right wing blogs. Probably class of 2004, didn't get the memo.

Ugh, horrible.

1095 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:11:54am

re: #1087 iceweasel

Precisely.
I need to see you at some maximum intensity!

I've pretty much only ever been at 30% here ever, myself. And they don't grasp that.
Also there hasn't been any need to be more here. The moderation is good, that's why. And it is respectful-- as a result.
There were definitely times when I just wouldn't have been here. The climate was too different and not tolerant. (this is in the wild west days before charles was moderating like now or even could)

I don't think i could ever be at maximum intensity here, I think it'd just get me timed out. :D The angriest I've ever gotten here I think was that second big Folsom thread, the one where NJD was saying some very uncool things and then ran away when I called him on it. When I go to Burning Man this year, I'll probably actually make use of the Pages (and my shitty digital camera) to do a little thing about it, some pushback against some of the Zombie-types.

1096 Millicent Islam  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:12:13am

re: #1093 Gus 802

Used to be pretty anal. You couldn't say anything about Zombie until the end when we realized he was just some homophobic nutcase. Zomebie's topics would either be gay sex or Communist symbolism he found around Berkeley. Which of course is like trying to find air when you leave your house. Zombie even freaked out over gay statues.

Oh that was the best. Jimmah told me about that. He'd even done a little photoshop. ;)

1097 Nimed  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:12:39am

re: #1086 WindUpBird

Creepy. The more I hear about the commenters here from before, the more I get the willies.

This.

Also, I've just reached probably my favorite music of the album.

1098 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:12:41am

re: #1093 Gus 802

Used to be pretty anal. You couldn't say anything about Zombie until the end when we realized he was just some homophobic nutcase. Zomebie's topics would either be gay sex or Communist symbolism he found around Berkeley. Which of course is like trying to find air when you leave your house. Zombie even freaked out over gay statues.

Communist symbolism!

1099 Millicent Islam  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:13:25am

re: #1095 WindUpBird

I don't think i could ever be at maximum intensity here, I think it'd just get me timed out. :D The angriest I've ever gotten here I think was that second big Folsom thread, the one where NJD was saying some very uncool things and then ran away when I called him on it. When I go to Burning Man this year, I'll probably actually make use of the Pages (and my shitty digital camera) to do a little thing about it, some pushback against some of the Zombie-types.

Oh i didnt mean HERE! yeah, you'd get banned or timedout!
That page would be great! i hope you do!

1100 Gus  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:13:51am

re: #1098 WindUpBird

Communist symbolism!

Sodomy is akin to Communism! And Zombie still gets a large following. It went over to Pajamas Media. Home of the retarded right wing Luddites.

1101 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:14:49am

re: #1100 Gus 802

Sodomy is akin to Communism! And Zombie still gets a large following. It went over to Pajamas Media. Home of the retarded right wing Luddites.

The internet really is an amazing crazy place!

1102 Gus  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:16:24am

re: #1101 WindUpBird

The internet really is an amazing crazy place!

No shit. First time I confronted Zombie it was like a coming out party. Surprisingly though I didn't get down dinged. I was already a "big shot." LOL

1103 Gus  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:18:20am
1104 Nimed  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:19:13am

re: #1090 freetoken

Let's just say I used to get plenty of down-dings. Not as many as SpaceJesus of course, but divinity has its privileges.

SpaceJesus can be pretty blunt. I'm amazed he survived in that environment. Same feeling, though to a lesser degree, about you and avanti.

1105 Millicent Islam  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:20:10am

re: #1102 Gus 802

No shit. First time I confronted Zombie it was like a coming out party. Surprisingly though I didn't get down dinged. I was already a "big shot." LOL

Hee. They're so afraid of you. ;)

freetoken was still getting downdinged when I got here. Hell avanti was at negative 2000 karma or so when I joined. over 1000 negative for sure.
What was spacejesus at? negative 10K or something insane like that?
It was a red letter day when space jesus made it to 0 karma.

1106 freetoken  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:20:10am

BTW, VDH really jumped the shark whole heartedly in his Sunday essay over at PJM. I'm surprised it wasn't posted here by the usual suspects. It's a really strikingly stupid piece, and it just confirms my belief that he is intentionally writing to that crowd just to sell stuff.

1107 Millicent Islam  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:22:07am

re: #1106 freetoken

BTW, VDH really jumped the shark whole heartedly in his Sunday essay over at PJM. I'm surprised it wasn't posted here by the usual suspects. It's a really strikingly stupid piece, and it just confirms my belief that he is intentionally writing to that crowd just to sell stuff.

Are you sure it wasn't? I think it was.
Krauthammer last Friday-- omg. Definitely doing a page on that. Probably on VDH too. I share your beliefs about VDH btw.

1108 freetoken  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:22:20am

re: #1104 Nimed

SpaceJesus can be pretty blunt. I'm amazed he survived in that environment. Same feeling, though to a lesser degree, about you and avanti.

SJ has his divine mission to give him strength.

Avanti, myself, and a few others who wouldn't join in on the hate-fests survived by just not showing up to those threads. If you look in the archives you'll notice there are plenty of threads where I simply chose to not participate (which is always an option.)

1109 freetoken  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:23:58am

re: #1107 iceweasel

I don't remember it. VDH writes several articles per week, and they don't necessarily circulate at the same websites. He clearly writes for three audiences: wonks, politicos, and idiots.

His PJM articles are for the latter.

1110 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:24:55am

re: #1104 Nimed

SpaceJesus can be pretty blunt. I'm amazed he survived in that environment. Same feeling, though to a lesser degree, about you and avanti.

At the end of the day it's all just internet. :D

1111 Gus  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:26:29am

re: #1105 iceweasel

Hee. They're so afraid of you. ;)

freetoken was still getting downdinged when I got here. Hell avanti was at negative 2000 karma or so when I joined. over 1000 negative for sure.
What was spacejesus at? negative 10K or something insane like that?
It was a red letter day when space jesus made it to 0 karma.

Sounds about right. Avanti used to say some cool stuff and I would up ding him from time to time. Everyone used to down ding him and call him a moonbat or such. He and SJ were both seriously into the negative thousands. I finally took the plunge with Avanti during the pirate event when every other Lizard was sounding like Rambo and a fool. Avanti was the only one that made sense along with me and we were both proven right in the long run.

1112 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:27:12am

re: #1111 Gus 802

Sounds about right. Avanti used to say some cool stuff and I would up ding him from time to time. Everyone used to down ding him and call him a moonbat or such. He and SJ were both seriously into the negative thousands. I finally took the plunge with Avanti during the pirate event when every other Lizard was sounding like Rambo and a fool. Avanti was the only one that made sense along with me and we were both proven right in the long run.

hahaha those guys, the power fantasy weirdos, oh man

1113 Gus  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:27:32am

re: #1109 freetoken

I don't remember it. VDH writes several articles per week, and they don't necessarily circulate at the same websites. He clearly writes for three audiences: wonks, politicos, and idiots.

His PJM articles are for the latter.

No way. For idiots? Really? ;)

1114 Gus  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:30:00am

re: #1112 WindUpBird

hahaha those guys, the power fantasy weirdos, oh man

It's all true. You couldn't say anything without getting the barrage. So we say here putting up with people like Tax Free Killer for months. Some for years. If you tried to even debate him you would be cast as an enemy.

1115 Millicent Islam  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:31:05am

Krauthammer last week:

The Selective Modesty of Barack Obama
Obama’s modesty about America would be more understandable if he treated himself with the same reserve.

an instant classic in the OBAMA IS A NARCISSIST genre.

1116 Gus  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:31:50am

re: #1114 Gus 802

It's all true. You couldn't say anything without getting the barrage. So we say would stay here putting up with people like Tax Free Killer for months. Some for years. If you tried to even debate him you would be cast as an enemy.

Fixed.

1117 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:32:44am

re: #1114 Gus 802

It's all true. You couldn't say anything without getting the barrage. So we say here putting up with people like Tax Free Killer for months. Some for years. If you tried to even debate him you would be cast as an enemy.

I'm SO SAD I MISSED ALL THIS

There are a lot of guys like Tax Free Killer in the fandom. I have tangled with many of them on these internets. OH BUT FOR THE BATTLES NOT FOUGHT

1118 Gus  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:33:28am

You also were prevented from debating any veteran. If they were a regular and a military veteran you would just have to sit here and avoid debating him.

1119 Cato the Elder  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:34:40am

Hey, Ice!

I see you're still here. Now would be a good time to call.

1120 Millicent Islam  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:35:02am

re: #1114 Gus 802

It's all true. You couldn't say anything without getting the barrage. So we say here putting up with people like Tax Free Killer for months. Some for years. If you tried to even debate him you would be cast as an enemy.

Mockery, my friend. mockery. Writing tfk haiku is about all I miss about tfk:

crouching in the brush
John Kerry, Gore, CO2
tfk don't surf.

1121 tnguitarist  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:35:30am

Too bad I wasn't here back in the day. I love to debate people that disagree with me.

1122 Millicent Islam  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:35:36am

re: #1119 Cato the Elder

Hey, Ice!

I see you're still here. Now would be a good time to call.

Hey you! I will do so!!!

Sorry about your renters. Sucks!

1123 freetoken  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:35:55am

re: #1115 iceweasel

Yeah, I saw that one.

They are all singing from the same hymn book.

The strategy is to try get as many people as angry as possible. The easiest way to do that is to convince people they are being wronged and that usually entails claims of 1) theft and 2) deception, since these two actions directly stimulate basic biological urges of survival.

So, they pretty much write article after article, all of which boil down to two claims:
1) Obama is trying to take something away from you;
2) Obama is lying to you.

The whole "narcissist" meme is about envy.

1124 Gus  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:36:31am

re: #1117 WindUpBird

I'm SO SAD I MISSED ALL THIS

There are a lot of guys like Tax Free Killer in the fandom. I have tangled with many of them on these internets. OH BUT FOR THE BATTLES NOT FOUGHT

I went with the flow. I knew he had mental problems so I kind of felt sorry for him. He's just some hick that was in military and had another opinion like the rest of us. Half the time I think he was drunk.

1125 Nimed  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:38:13am

re: #1124 Gus 802

I went with the flow. I knew he had mental problems so I kind of felt sorry for him. He's just some hick that was in military and had another opinion like the rest of us. Half the time I think he was drunk.

Great. Now I feel sorry for the dude.

1126 Millicent Islam  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:38:27am

re: #1124 Gus 802

I went with the flow. I knew he had mental problems so I kind of felt sorry for him. He's just some hick that was in military and had another opinion like the rest of us. Half the time I think he was drunk.

Definitely mental probs, not sure about anything else to do with him. Maybe people here knew him IRL, i don't know. Also doesn't matter to me if he was a vet or not. The mental issues were def real.

1127 Gus  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:39:00am

re: #1120 iceweasel

Mockery, my friend. mockery. Writing tfk haiku is about all I miss about tfk:

crouching in the brush
John Kerry, Gore, CO2
tfk don't surf.

John Kerry... Earth First.

Then he would say he was either in his pick-up truck or off to run a marathon. Every once in a while he would also talk about killing atheists.

Not a nice guy.

1128 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:39:44am

re: #1127 Gus 802

John Kerry... Earth First.

Then he would say he was either in his pick-up truck or off to run a marathon. Every once in a while he would also talk about killing atheists.

Not a nice guy.

Sounds like the kind of thing that would get you banned in a heartbeat, one and done, these days.

1129 Gus  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:41:18am

re: #1128 WindUpBird

Sounds like the kind of thing that would get you banned in a heartbeat, one and done, these days.

Yep, he would. Most of the semi-regulars would get banned in heartbeat today.

1130 Millicent Islam  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:41:56am

re: #1127 Gus 802

John Kerry... Earth First.

Then he would say he was either in his pick-up truck or off to run a marathon. Every once in a while he would also talk about killing atheists.

Not a nice guy.

Prick. Posts very nasty shit on an almost daily basis about CJ even now apparently, regged sockpuppets here over and over CJ says I think. nasty, hateful piece of work. Whatever the mental issues are.

1131 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:43:32am

re: #1129 Gus 802

Yep, he would. Most of the semi-regulars would get banned in heartbeat today.

The internet evolves!

1132 Gus  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:44:15am

re: #1130 iceweasel

Prick. Posts very nasty shit on an almost daily basis about CJ even now apparently, regged sockpuppets here over and over CJ says I think. nasty, hateful piece of work. Whatever the mental issues are.

He sure does. Along with Fenway_Nation, Furry Old Guy With Jeans, MrPaulRevere, etc. They all went nutz.

1133 freetoken  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:45:22am

Paleo-Pat weighs in this morning with a column called "War on Arizona", in which he attempts to draw a parallel between the President of Mexico and Nikita Khrushchev.

Yeah, it's an immigration article about the US being invaded - it'll hit pay-dirt on the usual outlets.

1134 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:47:32am

re: #1132 Gus 802

He sure does. Along with Fenway_Nation, Furry Old Guy With Jeans, MrPaulRevere, etc. They all went nutz.

Fenway nation! I remember teeing off on that guy.

1135 Nimed  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:49:18am

re: #1132 Gus 802

He sure does. Along with Fenway_Nation, Furry Old Guy With Jeans, MrPaulRevere, etc. They all went nutz.

So, one by one, all of those guys had a meltdown and were banned? Or did somebody decide to leave on their own?

1136 LudwigVanQuixote  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:49:27am

re: #1104 Nimed

SpaceJesus can be pretty blunt. I'm amazed he survived in that environment. Same feeling, though to a lesser degree, about you and avanti.

You would be amazed at what simply and steadfastly refusing to be anything but yourself can do for you in such an environment though. Avanti was never mean to anyone and Gus is a good guy. Freetoken gets his facts straight and never works up a dander (to his credit). Ice takes no prisoners and even those that hate her know how smart she is. My saving grace is that I manage to charm sometimes when not beating the snot out of fools ;)

1137 LudwigVanQuixote  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:49:47am

re: #1132 Gus 802

He sure does. Along with Fenway_Nation, Furry Old Guy With Jeans, MrPaulRevere, etc. They all went nutz.

And sickeningly so.

1138 Gus  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:50:08am

re: #1134 WindUpBird

Fenway nation! I remember teeing off on that guy.

He got blocked because he started giving Charles a lot of shit along with his buddy, TheMatrix31 who is still here.

1139 Gus  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:52:10am

re: #1135 Nimed

So, one by one, all of those guys had a meltdown and were banned? Or did somebody decide to leave on their own?

A little of both. Some went to Correspondence Committee. Others went to Blogmocracy. Some you will find in both like crazy Buzzsawmonkey.

1140 LudwigVanQuixote  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:52:11am

re: #1135 Nimed

So, one by one, all of those guys had a meltdown and were banned? Or did somebody decide to leave on their own?

It happened in different ways. Some flounced, most were banned for being assholes. Many were banned for having multiple socks. Some were banned for writing evil cra on other blogs against CJ and LGF - oh and contrary to their whines, they were not "just disagreeing" with Charles or simply criticizing LGF. They were writing full on nasty smears. IN some cases, it was a combination of several of those.

1141 Varek Raith  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:55:57am

Sup?

1142 Gus  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:56:28am

re: #1140 LudwigVanQuixote

It happened in different ways. Some flounced, most were banned for being assholes. Many were banned for having multiple socks. Some were banned for writing evil cra on other blogs against CJ and LGF - oh and contrary to their whines, they were not "just disagreeing" with Charles or simply criticizing LGF. They were writing full on nasty smears. IN some cases, it was a combination of several of those.

Many were bounced for being racists.

1143 freetoken  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:57:26am

Heads up ... message coming in from A.N.S.W.E.R.S. (the Advanced Nontroversy Sensor and Wingnut Emerging Ridiculousness System):

//0801Z 13072010
//PREZ OBAMA 2 DISS BOY SCOUTS OF AMERICA
//SRC:CHUCKNORRIS

1144 Nimed  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:58:57am

My, my. Have you seen this page?

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

[ANDREW] NAPOLITANO: They [Bush and Cheney] should have been indicted. They absolutely should have been indicted for torturing, for spying, for arresting without warrants. I’d like to say they should be indicted for lying but believe it or not, unless you’re under oath, lying is not a crime. At least not an indictable crime. It’s a moral crime.

This guy works for Fox News? Wow. :O

1145 freetoken  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:59:54am

re: #1144 Nimed

Buchanan/Paul wing of the GOP/conservative-bloc is in ascendance.

1146 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 2:00:15am

re: #1144 Nimed

My, my. Have you seen this page?

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

This guy works for Fox News? Wow. :O

Napolitano? he's nuts for different reasons. Very Alex Jonesey. :D

1147 Gus  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 2:01:14am

The origin of those that got blocked and created Blogmocracy however were supporters of genocide against Muslims. The two being Rodan and Savage. You can now find Buzzsaymonkey hanging out with these maniacs. Buzz is a sexist homophobe with slight talent for plagiarizing other peoples work.

1148 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 2:01:30am

re: #1145 freetoken

Buchanan/Paul wing of the GOP/conservative-bloc is in ascendance.

Buchanan and Ron Paul. Two young spry men with spring in their step and long political careers ahead of them!

1149 Varek Raith  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 2:01:35am

re: #1146 WindUpBird

Napolitano? he's nuts for different reasons. Very Alex Jonesey. :D

Napolowhatsits is a nutty libertarian.

1150 Nimed  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 2:02:06am

re: #1148 WindUpBird

Buchanan and Ron Paul. Two young spry men with spring in their step and long political careers ahead of them!

LOL

1151 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 2:03:09am

Why, just the other day I was polishing my brand new Studebaker, and I thought to myself, by golly, that Pat Buchanan, he's a man who can really shake up Washington!

1152 Varek Raith  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 2:03:12am

re: #1149 Varek Raith

Napolowhatsits is a nutty libertarian.

Which is where the Tea Parties and some in the GOP are heading.

1153 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 2:04:15am

re: #1152 Varek Raith

Which is where the Tea Parties and some in the GOP are heading.

NOOO SAYS THE MAN FROM MOSCOW

1154 Varek Raith  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 2:05:04am

re: #1153 WindUpBird

NOOO SAYS THE MAN FROM MOSCOW

YES SAYS THE MAN FROM OUTER SPAAACCCEEE!
(ME)

1155 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 2:05:22am

This is a nice mellow evening, got my pint of weird german beer, cranking out sketches for a big commission project, chatting about internet meltdowns.

1156 Nimed  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 2:05:44am

re: #1145 freetoken

Buchanan/Paul wing of the GOP/conservative-bloc is in ascendance.

re: #1146 WindUpBird

Napolitano? he's nuts for different reasons. Very Alex Jonesey. :D

re: #1149 Varek Raith

Napolowhatsits is a nutty libertarian.

I must say that, in this particular issue ("enhanced interrogations" and habeas corpus rights for GITMO detainees), I'll take what I can get.

1157 Varek Raith  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 2:08:05am

re: #1155 WindUpBird

This is a nice mellow evening, got my pint of weird german beer, cranking out sketches for a big commission project, chatting about internet meltdowns.

Yeah, internet meltdowns.
I don't get.

1158 Varek Raith  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 2:10:04am

SONUVABITCH!
...
I just dropped stack of 75+ blank DVDs...
...
..
.

1159 Gus  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 2:13:23am

Was a good night here tonight. It's been a while. Time outs really do the trick. Later all.

1160 Gus  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 2:14:09am

Chau!

1161 Varek Raith  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 2:14:48am

re: #1159 Gus 802

re: #1160 Gus 802

Cheater!
Making people upding you twice!
:)
Night, Gus.

1162 Nimed  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 2:15:33am

re: #1160 Gus 802

Chau!

Good Night, Gus. By the way, how's that neck?

1163 Millicent Islam  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 2:16:17am

re: #1159 Gus 802

Was a good night here tonight. It's been a while. Time outs really do the trick. Later all.

Hell yeah. Ciao Gus. ;)

1164 tnguitarist  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 2:16:25am

re: #1144 Nimed

I saw that. I wonder how long until he retracts or "clarifies" his statements. If he sticks to it, good for him.

1165 Varek Raith  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 2:17:38am

re: #1163 iceweasel

Hell yeah. Ciao Gus. ;)

More timeouts?
Sigh.
Who was it?

1166 tnguitarist  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 2:17:59am

BTW, who went crazy and got deleted upthread? Not to rehash, just wondering if it was a troll.

1167 Varek Raith  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 2:23:12am

re: #1165 Varek Raith

More timeouts?
Sigh.
Who was it?


Nevermind, found 'em!

LOLGOODGRIEF!

1168 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 2:32:00am

re: #201 b_sharp

So would I. I would also call statutory rape, rape. I was just trying to understand her point and justification without seeing exactly what she said.

Statutory rape is consensual sex with a minor. Drugging a 13 year old to anally rape her is not statutory.

1169 tnguitarist  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 2:36:43am
1170 Varek Raith  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 2:39:04am

Jesus Christ.
Catching up on previous threads.
These constant dogpiles on Ice on the overnighters are fucking pathetic.
/soapbox.
:angryface:

1171 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 2:40:11am

re: #854 WindUpBird

Vote for me, I promise to bring you malaise and concrete!

What about ennui? I could really go for some of that too!
//

1172 freetoken  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 2:42:32am

The A.N.S.W.E.R.S. teletype in the corner of my room is burning through tape... an election must be drawing near...

It looks like The Sarah put out two endorsements last night, both for "good conservative " women:

First is for Karen Handel

Handel is a diehard SoCon - in regards to marriage she says:

Marriage is between a man and a woman only. To anyone who thinks otherwise, I say, “Bring it on.” [her catchphrase]

On taxes she looks to have swallowed some serious economic non-sense:

Karen is a strong supporter of the FairTax. Eliminating the federal personal and corporate income tax, capital gains, payroll, gift and estate taxes, and replacing them with a revenue-neutral personal consumption tax would create a much fairer tax structure for families and businesses.


That's pretty regressive.

She is of course anti-abortion.

However, in that regard she is pretty much an amateur when it comes to The Sarah's next pick: Ann Marie Buerkle.

Buerkle looks like an interesting case, where her leading qualification in the eyes of many of Palin's supporters is probably due to Buerkle's staunch anti-abortion background. Indeed:

Buerkle is the former head of the Syracuse Right-to-Life group and served as the spokeswoman for the anti-abortion groups Friends for Life and Operation Rescue.

She was the local spokeswoman for Operation Rescue when the group demonstrated outside of a gynecologist’s office in 1989. In that protest, 44 abortion protesters who blocked the entrance to the office were charged with trespassing. Earlier that year, she was with a group that carried a blackened fetus named “Baby Choice” to a protest at Planned Parenthood in Syracuse, where 14 protesters were arrested.

Buerkle makes no apologies for her past activism, and said her views on abortion have not changed. But she said it’s not the single issue that defines her, nor will it be a top priority of her campaign.

Buerkle has also been trawling TCOT for support.

Neither of these endorsements should come as a surprise, but it does look as if The Sarah has been scouring the countryside looking to build some sort of coalition.

Perhaps looking for reciprocal endorsements for 2012?

1173 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 2:45:33am

re: #1166 tnguitarist

BTW, who went crazy and got deleted upthread? Not to rehash, just wondering if it was a troll.

Not a troll, a long time regular

1174 tnguitarist  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 2:47:03am

re: #1173 WindUpBird

Not a troll, a long time regular

That's what I thought. I'll stop there.

1175 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 2:48:06am

re: #1174 tnguitarist

That's what I thought. I'll stop there.

I'm schroedinger's cat, I'm quantum burd, I cannot comment further on a matter which involves me without prejudicing the proceedings ;-)

1176 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 2:49:04am

re: #1170 Varek Raith

Jesus Christ.
Catching up on previous threads.
These constant dogpiles on Ice on the overnighters are fucking pathetic.
/soapbox.
:angryface:


I'd be more angry about it if Ice weren't so good at what she does. :D

1177 Varek Raith  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 2:50:45am

re: #1176 WindUpBird

I'd be more angry about it if Ice weren't so good at what she does. :D

Where's your twin?!?!
/
;)

1178 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 2:51:16am

French-Canadian space-prog-rock: Voivod's Freedoom

1179 Varek Raith  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 2:53:23am

re: #1178 WindUpBird

Neat.
And you used "prog" correctly.
Gold star!
Image: ist2_4595849-gold-star-background.jpg

1180 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 2:53:29am

re: #1177 Varek Raith

Where's your twin?!?!
/
;)

He's at work! I should be working myself, actually ^_^;;

re: #1172 freetoken

Someone needs to rig up a fake old-timey teletype machine that just spits out a twitter feed. :D

1181 Varek Raith  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 2:54:12am

re: #1180 WindUpBird

He's at work! I should be working myself, actually ^_^;;

re: #1172 freetoken

Someone needs to rig up a fake old-timey teletype machine that just spits out a twitter feed. :D

Steampunk!

1182 Millicent Islam  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 2:59:52am

re: #1176 WindUpBird

I'd be more angry about it if Ice weren't so good at what she does. :D

Yeah, well, dogpiles are one thing. You've missed some of what's been happening and it's been spectacularly ugly. And to be honest it has an effect on me, as much as I try to deal.

This is the sort of stuff that has a cumulative effect on a person. That's what haters count on.

1183 freetoken  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 3:00:17am

re: #1180 WindUpBird

Someone needs to rig up a fake old-timey teletype machine that just spits out a twitter feed. :D

That would be neat, though for a teletype I think Facebook would be the source.

For Twitter - an old fashioned ticker tape machine!

1184 Millicent Islam  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 3:04:05am

re: #1170 Varek Raith

Jesus Christ.
Catching up on previous threads.
These constant dogpiles on Ice on the overnighters are fucking pathetic.
/soapbox.
:angryface:

Thank you. Seriously.

1185 freetoken  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 3:05:50am

One more from the A.N.S.W.E.R.S. hotline before I go...

Randy Brogdon, friend of Alex Jones and who is running of for the GOP nod for Gov of OK, of whom we have written before, is the subject of a news article today:

Brogdon: Cut taxes to boost jobs

He said the cornerstone of his tax policy is to continue to reduce it until the state income tax is nullified, both personal and corporate. [...]

Brogdon said he will look at the state’s 2005 budget as a benchmark for an economic platform. Government is to protect the “God-given” rights of life, liberty and property ownership, he said. His highest priority is public safety, Brogdon said.

“Once we properly fund our public safety, then we will look at our other high priority needs in the state of Oklahoma,” Brogdon said. “Transportation, health care, education and those sort of things.”

Yeah, he's a theocrat, pretty much from the Gary North school, which is why he believes property ownership is a God-given right.

His emphasis on safety plays well with the fear-meme that is so popular in the God-n-Guns crowd.

1186 Varek Raith  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 3:08:50am
1187 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 3:15:03am

Gosh... I'm up early... couldn't sleep... am I too early for the AM wingnut wave? :)

1188 CuriousLurker  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 3:15:29am

re: #94 reine.de.tout

I'm not worried about MIchelle's sneakers.
It was all those homeless people lining up for a meal while taking photos with their cell phones I wonder about.

Reine, there's a government-supported program called SafeLink Wireless that provides free cell phones & airtime to low income households in about half of the states in the U.S. It provides access to 911 service and a very limited number of minutes as it's not intended for idle chatting, but rather job seeking, etc.

1189 tnguitarist  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 3:16:43am

re: #1187 Walter L. Newton

Gosh... I'm up early... couldn't sleep... am I too early for the AM wingnut wave? :)

You're just in time to see the changing of the guard.

1190 Millicent Islam  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 3:22:34am

What. The. Fuck.

Never ends.

1191 tnguitarist  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 3:24:41am

re: #1190 iceweasel

???

1192 Nimed  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 3:25:00am

re: #1188 CuriousLurker

Reine, there's a government-supported program called SafeLink Wireless that provides free cell phones & airtime to low income households in about half of the states in the U.S. It provides access to 911 service and a very limited number of minutes as it's not intended for idle chatting, but rather job seeking, etc.

CL, upding for the argument, but that was clarified later in the thread.

1193 CuriousLurker  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 3:28:45am

re: #1188 CuriousLurker

Reine, I was reading the thread from the top down and see that you're aware of some of the programs and retracted what you said.

I wasn't trying to pile on you—I hope you know that as you're one of my favorite people here. I just wanted to post the link to the program I'm familiar with so people will be aware of it.

1194 CuriousLurker  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 3:29:36am

re: #1192 Nimed

CL, upding for the argument, but that was clarified later in the thread.

Yeah, I was reading form the top down and just noticed & addressed that. Thanks.

1195 Varek Raith  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 3:32:21am

I'm tired.
Night all!
:)

1196 Nimed  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 3:36:33am

re: #1190 iceweasel

What. The. Fuck.

Never ends.

Just ignore the people with clinical disorders. See you tomorrow, Ice, CL and Varek.

1197 CuriousLurker  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 3:43:12am

re: #1196 Nimed

Have a good one, Nimed. *waves*

1198 RogueOne  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 3:48:22am

re: #1187 Walter L. Newton

Gosh... I'm up early... couldn't sleep... am I too early for the AM wingnut wave? :)

How's this for a wingnut wave?

Confidence in Obama reaches new low, Washington Post-ABC News poll finds
[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]


Such broad negative sentiments have spurred a potent anti-incumbent mood. Just 26 percent of registered voters say they are inclined to support their representative in the House this fall; 62 percent are inclined to look for someone new.
...
Overall, a slim majority of all voters say they would prefer Republican control of Congress so that the legislative branch would act as a check on the president's policies. Those most likely to vote in the midterms prefer the GOP over continued Democratic rule by a sizable margin of 56 percent to 41 percent.

The only question left to answer is if the repubs can take the senate.

1199 thedopefishlives  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 3:56:38am

re: #1187 Walter L. Newton

Gosh... I'm up early... couldn't sleep... am I too early for the AM wingnut wave? :)

You're never too early for the AM wingnut wave, Walter. You ARE the wingnut wave. ;)

(kidding)

1200 reine.de.tout  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 4:07:04am

re: #1188 CuriousLurker

Reine, there's a government-supported program called SafeLink Wireless that provides free cell phones & airtime to low income households in about half of the states in the U.S. It provides access to 911 service and a very limited number of minutes as it's not intended for idle chatting, but rather job seeking, etc.

Curious Lurker - Please read on.
I've donated cell phones to programs like that.
I made a silly comment in response to a silly comment; I don't really wonder about the cell phones people have.
re: #1196 Nimed

Just ignore the people with clinical disorders. See you tomorrow, Ice, CL and Varek.

I knew this was going to follow me around the rest of the evening. LOL.

1201 RogueOne  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 4:07:18am

Clyburn can't let the conspiracy theory go:

Clyburn says Greene’s candidacy in South Carolina designed to stir trouble
[Link: thehill.com...]


House Majority Whip James Clyburn (S.C.) theorized that an operative ran unemployed Army veteran Alvin Greene’s (D) South Carolina Senate campaign to create a “mess.”

Just let it go man. The state party screwed the pooch on this one badly. There's no one to blame but Rawl and the state party, move on.

1202 CuriousLurker  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 4:14:01am

re: #1200 reine.de.tout

Curious Lurker - Please read on.
I've donated cell phones to programs like that.
I made a silly comment in response to a silly comment; I don't really wonder about the cell phones people have.

I knew this was going to follow me around the rest of the evening. LOL.

Hi, Reine. I did read on and subsequently posted a correction/explanation in addition to up-dinging all of your explanations.

Sorry for the confusion. I guess on long overnight threads like this it's best to read all the way through first (or start from the bottom and work my way up).

1203 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 4:15:40am

re: #1202 CuriousLurker

Or just weigh in with a "Hi!".

Hi!

1204 Millicent Islam  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 4:17:33am

re: #1196 Nimed

Just ignore the people with clinical disorders. See you tomorrow, Ice, CL and Varek.

Why is reine pretending this comment was about her or had ANYTHING to do with her?

Later.

1205 thedopefishlives  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 4:18:11am

re: #1203 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Or just weigh in with a "Hi!".

Hi!

Mornin' FBV.

1206 CuriousLurker  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 4:23:28am

re: #1203 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Or just weigh in with a "Hi!".

Hi!

Hi! (How's that?)

1207 reine.de.tout  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 4:23:35am

re: #1204 iceweasel

Why is reine pretending this comment was about her or had ANYTHING to do with her?

Later.

I just woke up, sleepy, quoted the wrong one.
Meant to quote:
re: #1192 Nimed

CL, upding for the argument, but that was clarified later in the thread.

1208 SteveC  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 4:33:40am

Good morning, all!

1209 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 4:37:53am

re: #1206 CuriousLurker

See?

1210 SteveC  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 4:38:04am

*Sits at corner table, drinking his Apple Juice and reading the newspaper*

1211 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 4:38:38am

re: #1207 reine.de.tout

Hiya Toots!

1212 thedopefishlives  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 4:40:15am

re: #1210 SteveC

*Sits at corner table, drinking his Apple Juice and reading the newspaper*

You hungry? The troll barbecue is all warmed up and ready to go. Got to have some mighty delicious parmesan-crusted troll buttocks yesterday morning, we have some left over and hopefully will be getting a fresh batch in here sometime soon.

1213 SteveC  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 4:42:15am

re: #1212 thedopefishlives

parmesan-crusted troll buttocks ...

DAY-UM! Don't tell my doctor, OK?

1214 thedopefishlives  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 4:42:53am

re: #1213 SteveC

DAY-UM! Don't tell my doctor, OK?

What happens at LGF, stays at LGF, my friend.

1215 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 4:49:41am

Looks like BPs capped that thang.

Let's hope it works. Fingers and toes crossed...

1216 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 4:50:03am

re: #1214 thedopefishlives

What happens at LGF, stays at LGF, my friend.

But you can't lie to your coroner.

1217 thedopefishlives  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 4:52:33am

re: #1215 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Looks like BPs capped that thang.

Let's hope it works. Fingers and toes crossed...

That's excellent news, if in fact it holds. Definitely praying that it does.

re: #1216 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

But you can't lie to your coroner.

Is one gamey buttock REALLY going to kill you?
...Don't answer that...

1218 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 4:57:03am

re: #1217 thedopefishlives

I'm just sayin'...

1219 SteveC  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 4:59:04am

Grrr...

"Some days computers just seem to freak out all over the place!"

1220 thedopefishlives  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 5:01:23am

re: #1219 SteveC

Grrr...

"Some days computers just seem to freak out all over the place!"

I often find intimidation works the best. If a computer starts to misbehave, I threaten it with a fist or a steel-toe boot. If they really don't like me, I lay a hammer on the desk. In extreme cases, it helps to find the dead carcass of an old junk machine, go all Office Space on it, and place it in plain view of the offending equipment. It'll behave after that.

1221 SteveC  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 5:07:31am

The 2009 IgNobel Prize!

I know this is a little late, but the 2009 Ig Nobel Prize for Public Health Prize was awarded to Dr. Elena Bodnar for her invention of a brassiere that, in an emergency, can be quickly converted into a pair of protective face masks

In case of a chemical release, immediately place your head on the nearest woman's chest!

1222 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 5:16:00am

Work.

1223 Aye Pod  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 5:22:04am

re: #1187 Walter L. Newton

Gosh... I'm up early... couldn't sleep... am I too early for the AM wingnut wave? :)

Actually, Walter, you're too late. Two it's main cheerleaders are on timeouts for their behaviour last night.

1224 Ericus58  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 5:23:29am

re: #1223 Jimmah

Actually, Walter, you're too late. Two it's main cheerleaders are on timeouts for their behaviour last night.

Whose on time-out?
I read the first 100 posts at the start of the thread, then jumped to 1100

1225 Aye Pod  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 5:28:40am

re: #1200 reine.de.tout

I knew this was going to follow me around the rest of the evening. LOL.

It's a little bit annoying I'm sure. Now, try being followed around with slanders like "psychopath", "sociopath" and "whore" - and for a lot longer than one day.

Btw Reine - if anyone ever calls YOU names like that, I've got your back. You do know that, don't you? And I'll have plenty to say about it. I wont pretend it never happened while energetically attempting to elevate those responsible to "most treasured lizard" status. You won't finds me updinging those people and supporting them. Far from it.

Just FYI.

1226 SteveC  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 5:30:34am

Cumulative Radiation doses seen in Cardiac Imaging

FRIDAY, July 9 (HealthDay News) -- Cardiac imaging procedures, the use of which has exploded in the United States in recent years, are exposing patients to potentially cumulative doses of radiation, according to the largest analysis of its kind.

No one's ever done a real research study, but for older patients with Congenital Heart Defects, cancer seems to be as much the cause of death as their hearts. The going theory is that after these kids survived their heart problems and any needed surgeries, the doctors of the time gave them every scan, x-ray, and test they could think of - trying to learn more about damaged hearts.

1227 Aye Pod  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 5:30:47am

re: #1224 Ericus58

Whose on time-out?
I read the first 100 posts at the start of the thread, then jumped to 1100

Mandy and Bagua.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

1228 thedopefishlives  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 5:31:52am

re: #1227 Jimmah

Mandy and Bagua.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

THAT'S why it's so quiet around here. Wowza.

1229 garhighway  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 5:33:51am

re: #290 austin_blue

Oh, yeah, if they successfully kill the existing bore hole with the first relief well.

They've got the permit, and it *is* their lease.

Look, Thunderhorse is producing 300,000 bbls a day for BP nearby. At $75/bbl, that's $225 million a day. You want BP to pay for the fines, long-term cleanup, and associated economic damages, yes? You can be damn well sure that producing out of this (obviously) freakin' huge discovery will go a long way toward doing that without bankrupting BP America, and having them leave the US and having Joe Taxpayer hoofing the bill.

That's a real possibility, by the way.

Thunderhorse: another epic BP screwup.

1230 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 5:34:25am

re: #1227 Jimmah

Please let them time out in peace.

1231 Ericus58  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 5:35:49am

re: #1227 Jimmah

Mandy and Bagua.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

uh oh, guess I'll swim back and see the damage unless it's been deleted.
Thanks.

1232 Vambo  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 5:38:51am

re: #1198 RogueOne

The only question left to answer is if the repubs can take the senate.

Angle Defeats Reid! ///

LOL!

1233 RogueOne  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 5:39:14am

This thread has killed my Chrome and IE7 browsers. Firefox is handling it fine though.

1234 RogueOne  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 5:39:51am

re: #1231 Ericus58

uh oh, guess I'll swim back and see the damage unless it's been deleted.
Thanks.

someone needs to repeat what was said to earn the timeouts so the rest of us know what not to say.

/shit-stirrer

1235 Aye Pod  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 5:40:12am

re: #1230 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Please let them time out in peace.

Maybe if people like Walter didn't come on here as self proclaimed cheerleaders for the 'am wingnut wave' in order to bait others, then I wouldn't have to answer questions about it.

And if you have any questions about peace, I think they should be addressed to people who throw these disgusting slanders around and refuse to apologise for them or take them back, and not those who are - understandably extremely pissed off about it - and already acting with great restraint.

1236 SteveC  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 5:42:33am

re: #1234 RogueOne

someone needs to repeat what was said to earn the timeouts so the rest of us know what not to say.

/shit-stirrer

Somebody called somebody else something, and then the shit hit the fan!

//

1237 Red Pencil  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 5:46:11am

re: #710 Cato the Elder

Tenant-Speak, Learned from Long and Painful Experience:

What the tenant says: "Could you, like, work with me on the deposit?"

What the tenant means: "Deposit? You gotta be SHITTIN me! I have no source of income or money management skills, and I borrowed from the last person who trusts me to get the first month's rent! Next month I won't be able to do that to pay the rent, so you'll have to evict me and pay a few thousand in cleanup anyway!"

Bottom line, if they can't beg, borrow or steal the first month's rent AND a modest deposit, they are not tenants, they are scam artists.

1238 Aye Pod  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 5:47:18am

Moving swiftly along -

Apparently, blasphemy is once again a big deal in Russia:

What happens when you display "Forbidden art"

IT WAS bad enough that an art exhibition attracted the attention of Russia's criminal-justice authorities. It was worse that the exhibition was in Moscow's Sakharov centre and museum, one of the few institutions in Russia that stands squarely behind the tradition of human rights, exemplified by the saintly physicist and dissident for whom it is named. Now prosecutors have said that they want the organisers of the 2007 "Forbidden Art" exhibition, the director of the centre, Yuri Samodurov, and Andrei Yerofeev, an art historian (both pictured), to be sentenced to a three-year jail term for "debasing the religious beliefs of citizens and inciting religious hatred". Many say that the exhibition's real crime was to highlight the overlap between official orthodoxy and the religious version.

[Link: www.economist.com...]

1239 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 5:50:22am

Good morning Lizards from "it's-sunny-even-when-there's-horizon-to-horizon-rain-and-it's-still-dark-outside Philadelphia".

The "Reality Bites" cooking week continues:
Sunday: Babaganoush - co-workers thought it was too garlicy
(what do they know, screw 'em!)

Monday: cajun chicken pasta (delicious even with discovered recipe error)
key-lime pie*
(put out for co-workers 20 minutes ago. Will check on status later)

Tuesday: ???

* - was labeled "#5 Eagles key-lime pie" here at work when I put it out. There's no #5 on the Eagles currently, and there's really no key lime in the pie either. ;)

1240 Ericus58  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 5:50:48am

re: #1238 Jimmah

Moving swiftly along -

Apparently, blasphemy is once again a big deal in Russia:

[Link: www.economist.com...]

I read this yesterday. It caught me by surprise actually - how the wheel has turned in Mother Russia when the Church and State team up.

1241 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 5:55:18am

re: #1240 Ericus58

I read this yesterday. It caught me by surprise actually - how the wheel has turned in Mother Russia when the Church and State team up.

Almost a natural alliance in a number of places. Both are interested in the control of the populace for their own gain and will readily help the other out in exchange for favors.

Intermix it heavily enough that the "church" is wagging the dog and you essentially have the current Iranian situation.

1242 Ericus58  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 5:57:08am

Missing Iranian scientist appears at embassy in US

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

"A missing Iranian nuclear scientist, who Tehran says was kidnapped a year ago by the CIA, has taken refuge in the Iran section of Pakistan's US embassy.

A spokesman from Pakistan's Foreign Office, Abdul Basit, told the BBC that Shahram Amiri was seeking immediate repatriation to Iran."

This sure has become a puzzler. My take is that he come over on his own, but the Iranians are putting pressure on his family so he's coming back - if the guy hiding in the embassy is the real deal.
Who knows? May never find out.

1243 SteveC  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 5:58:20am

re: #1239 oaktree

...was labeled "#5 Eagles key-lime pie" here at work when I put it out. There's no #5 on the Eagles currently, and there's really no key lime in the pie either. ;)

I think Eagles #5 is Life in the Fast Lane, which contains the line Surely make you lose your mind

...which is what a good Key-Lime pie will do!

1244 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 5:59:01am

re: #1243 SteveC

I think Eagles #5 is Life in the Fast Lane, which contains the line Surely make you lose your mind

...which is what a good Key-Lime pie will do!

Touche'

1245 Aye Pod  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 6:01:32am

re: #1240 Ericus58

I read this yesterday. It caught me by surprise actually - how the wheel has turned in Mother Russia when the Church and State team up.

Trying to think of any situations where the combo of church and state worked out well - nope - can't think of any. From the article linked, Andrei Zorin, one of Russia's leading intellectuals, said this in response:

This week the prosecutors demanded a jail sentence of three years for each of them. The verdict will be announced on July 12th. The trial was instigated by the so called “People’s council”, a movement of militant religious radicals with strong anti-Semitic views which claims to have the official backing of the Orthodox church.

There can be no doubt that a guilty verdict will dramatically change the political climate in Russia and deal a powerful, if not a mortal, blow to the much-hyped modernisation plans of President Dmitry Medvedev. Whether economic and technological modernisation can succeed without political reforms is the subject of intense discussions in Russia. But no one can hope to modernise society without freedom of conscience and the freedom of thought.

1246 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 6:06:25am

re: #1245 Jimmah

If any combination would want the mind-numbing combination of absolute obedience, group-think, and orthodoxy it would be a church-state combination. Like the divine right of kings, there's no official appeal for a decision since it's essentially graced by a supernatural power from the get-go.

Plus it easily taps into the fanatical side of the human psyche.

1247 Aye Pod  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 6:13:21am

re: #1246 oaktree

If any combination would want the mind-numbing combination of absolute obedience, group-think, and orthodoxy it would be a church-state combination. Like the divine right of kings, there's no official appeal for a decision since it's essentially graced by a supernatural power from the get-go.

Plus it easily taps into the fanatical side of the human psyche.

Yep - can't argue with God's law - if you do, you're obviously evil. And as we all know, the great thing about God is that he can be made to endorse just about anything.

1248 Ericus58  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 6:17:37am

re: #1245 Jimmah

Trying to think of any situations where the combo of church and state worked out well - nope - can't think of any. From the article linked, Andrei Zorin, one of Russia's leading intellectuals, said this in response:


I can't think of any either.

"There can be no doubt that a guilty verdict will dramatically change the political climate in Russia and deal a powerful, if not a mortal, blow to the much-hyped modernisation plans of President Dmitry Medvedev. Whether economic and technological modernisation can succeed without political reforms is the subject of intense discussions in Russia. But no one can hope to modernise society without freedom of conscience and the freedom of thought."

Perhaps this is the beginning of the fisticuffs between Putin and Medvedev. The feeling I get from Putin is he wants the brass ring, and only he. Medvedev has made noise in the past about his role in Russia and they seem at odds at times.

"Two shall enter, One man leaves."

1249 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 6:22:13am

re: #1248 Ericus58

I can't think of any either.

"There can be no doubt that a guilty verdict will dramatically change the political climate in Russia and deal a powerful, if not a mortal, blow to the much-hyped modernisation plans of President Dmitry Medvedev. Whether economic and technological modernisation can succeed without political reforms is the subject of intense discussions in Russia. But no one can hope to modernise society without freedom of conscience and the freedom of thought."

Perhaps this is the beginning of the fisticuffs between Putin and Medvedev. The feeling I get from Putin is he wants the brass ring, and only he. Medvedev has made noise in the past about his role in Russia and they seem at odds at times.

"Two shall enter, One man leaves."

Given the Russian penchant for power-brokering I expect that the Church should step carefully in terms of allying itself with any bloc or player in the Russian government. When push comes to shove Putin is only going to do what is good for Putin and if it becomes necessary the Church will be pushed under the tram.

1250 Aye Pod  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 6:26:36am

From Faith Matters, via Harry's Place : The Righteous Muslims

Recently, we (www.faith-matters.org) launched a booklet on the Righteous Muslims which looked at the history of those people deemed to be Righteous by Yad Vashem and who had saved Jews and others from death by their actions. They did this without the promise of money, personal gain or through external pressure applied to them. They did this because it was right and they did this driven by ideals that were based on values shaped by their faith in Islam.

The launch of the book produced postings on this site suggesting that the book did not describe those who had collaborated with the Nazis. As if the booklet in 32 pages was to take a critical approach to the complex arena of the role of all Muslims in the Holocaust and with postings even suggesting that the individuals could not be driven by Islam and their faith and that they did so because they just wanted to protect people. Increasingly, the dehumanisation of Muslims and the demonization of Islam is pervading its way into the minds of people who should know better.

continued :

[Link: hurryupharry.org...]

1251 reine.de.tout  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 6:30:15am

re: #1225 Jimmah

It's a little bit annoying I'm sure. Now, try being followed around with slanders like "psychopath", "sociopath" and "whore" - and for a lot longer than one day.

Btw Reine - if anyone ever calls YOU names like that, I've got your back. You do know that, don't you? And I'll have plenty to say about it. I wont pretend it never happened while energetically attempting to elevate those responsible to "most treasured lizard" status. You won't finds me updinging those people and supporting them. Far from it.

Just FYI.

It was frustrating, and funny too, in a way.

I've been called "dense", "stupid", "thick in the head", etc., nothing, of course, in the same league as sociopath, psychopath or whore, but biting nonetheless.

I always appreciate anyone who jumps in on my behalf, but I don't really ever expect it to happen and if it doesn't, that's OK. I know what and who I am and I am sufficiently "OK" with that to be able to mostly avoid engaging in name-calling or throwing out accusations.

I've learned to pay no attention to who is dinging what, which way. It's pointless.

1252 Daniel Ballard  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 6:33:26am

Breaking on CBS
George Steinbrunner of Yankees fame has had a heart attack. Best wishes for his recovery. On All Star day no less.

1253 Daniel Ballard  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 6:38:22am

re: #1251 reine.de.tout
Good morning
If master spy has a downside, that would be it. Too much attention to lizard vs lizard politics.

1254 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 6:38:51am

Stanford University news article:

[Link: news.stanford.edu...]

Looks like modeling on climate change based on IPCC data has things getting a wee bit hot in the next thirty years. Not East Coast flooding, but definitely patterns that will make a number of areas more uncomfortable, affect agriculture, and certainly affect energy consumption since more hot weather means heavier energy requirements for everyone running A/C.

1255 reine.de.tout  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 6:39:31am

re: #1239 oaktree

Good morning Lizards from "it's-sunny-even-when-there's-horizon-to-horizon- rain-and-it's-still-dark-outside Philadelphia".

The "Reality Bites" cooking week continues:
Sunday: Babaganoush - co-workers thought it was too garlicy
(what do they know, screw 'em!)
. . .

I like garlic.
I always put a tiny bit extra!

1256 thedopefishlives  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 6:40:51am

re: #1255 reine.de.tout

I like garlic.
I always put a tiny bit extra!

My wife is a garlic addict. She puts it on everything.

1257 Ericus58  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 6:40:59am

re: #1250 Jimmah

From Faith Matters, via Harry's Place : The Righteous Muslims

continued :

[Link: hurryupharry.org...]

Interesting article.
I have no doubt that there were muslims who helped save lives, including that of Jews.

There are some good comments posted:

"Yes, this is quite right.
It would be very wrong to ignore the fact that there were alliances between some Muslim groups and the Nazis. Unsurprisingly, these were the forerunners of Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood.
But, for all the carping of the Muslim-haters, genocidal intent by Muslims to their Jewish neighbours has not been the rule. As this booklet shows, faith motivated a human and humanitarian response in Muslims, just as it did in Christians in Europe, and indeed in atheists."

"Fiyaz: Your booklet is admirable, and of course the booklet cannot be regarded as flawed if it does not “balance” the good with the darker side- that is not its remit or purpose.
I assume you are aware of the sad situation that when Satlov’s book came out and journalists attempted to interview relatives of some of those who had saved Jews, the relatives were angry and wished to have nothing to do with it. An ethos of embarrassment at and denial of the good deeds seemed to be prevalent in those countries. Translating your booklet into Arabic might help to counteract this."

1258 Aye Pod  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 6:42:08am

re: #1251 reine.de.tout

It was frustrating, and funny too, in a way.

I've been called "dense", "stupid", "thick in the head", etc., nothing, of course, in the same league as sociopath, psychopath or whore, but biting nonetheless.

I always appreciate anyone who jumps in on my behalf, but I don't really ever expect it to happen and if it doesn't, that's OK. I know what and who I am and I am sufficiently "OK" with that to be able to mostly avoid engaging in name-calling or throwing out accusations.

I've learned to pay no attention to who is dinging what, which way. It's pointless.

Well, that's just one of the areas in which we differ then. I happen to think that when we are dealing with that level of hideousness, it is our duty to say something, and certainly not to pretend it's not happening while playing happy families with- and even trying to 'promote' - those responsible.

1259 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 6:42:20am

re: #1252 Rightwingconspirator

Breaking on CBS
George Steinbrunner of Yankees fame has had a heart attack. Best wishes for his recovery. On All Star day no less.

Here's a link...

Report: Steinbrenner suffers heart attack


New York's ABC affiliate reports that Yankees owner George Steinbrenner has suffered a massive heart attack at his home in Tampa, Florida.

His current condition is not known. Steinbrenner, who has led the Yankees to 11 pennants and seven World Series titles, turned 80 on July 4. Nicknamed "The Boss," he has owned the franchise since 1973.

1260 thedopefishlives  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 6:43:45am

re: #1258 Jimmah

Well, that's just one of the areas in which we differ then. I happen to think that when we are dealing with that level of hideousness, it is our duty to say something, and certainly not to pretend it's not happening while playing happy families with- and even trying to 'promote' - those responsible.

I tend to fall in the middle, I guess. I understand that it's your wife and it's your duty to defend her, for which I commend you. Had I been here, I might've done the same. (I've been known to step in in the past.) However, for the most part, my jumping into the fray only results in my blood pressure going up and no noticeable effect on any of the other parties involved, so it's just easier for my health not to feed the trolls, so to speak.

1261 Ericus58  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 6:43:46am

re: #1253 Rightwingconspirator

Good morning
If master spy has a downside, that would be it. Too much attention to lizard vs lizard politics.

Agree. I don't use Spy - it distracts from staying in the present with other lizards while in thread on topics being discussed.
But I'm kinda simple. And juggling work demands.

1262 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 6:47:10am

George Steinbrenner has died. Say a prayer for his family. So sad.

1263 thedopefishlives  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 6:47:28am

re: #1262 NJDhockeyfan

George Steinbrenner has died. Say a prayer for his family. So sad.

Wow, that was fast. I only just found out about the heart attack upthread a few posts.

1264 Daniel Ballard  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 6:48:17am

CBS says Steinbrunner has passed. End of an era. Sympathies to his family friends and fans.

re: #1261 Ericus58

Agree. I don't use Spy - it distracts from staying in the present with other lizards while in thread on topics being discussed.
But I'm kinda simple. And juggling work demands.

When more than 1 thread is hot-Thats when I need it.
I have started to use it, in its own browser, with another browser with the active threads tabbed. The two browsers in vertical split screen on my one monitor.

1265 CuriousLurker  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 6:48:21am

re: #1250 Jimmah

Thanks for that, Jimmah. It's nice to see people focus on something positive.

1266 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 6:48:41am

re: #1263 thedopefishlives

Wow, that was fast. I only just found out about the heart attack upthread a few posts.

They just announced it on the news. I hate seeing stuff like that.

1267 thedopefishlives  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 6:49:32am

re: #1266 NJDhockeyfan

They just announced it on the news. I hate seeing stuff like that.

It is terrible and it's a sad day for baseball. Like the Yankees or hate 'em, it's still nothing to celebrate.

1268 reine.de.tout  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 6:51:03am

re: #1265 CuriousLurker

Thanks for that, Jimmah. It's nice to see people focus on something positive.

yes, it is.

1269 Aye Pod  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 6:51:06am

re: #1260 thedopefishlives

I tend to fall in the middle, I guess. I understand that it's your wife and it's your duty to defend her, for which I commend you. Had I been here, I might've done the same. (I've been known to step in in the past.) However, for the most part, my jumping into the fray only results in my blood pressure going up and no noticeable effect on any of the other parties involved, so it's just easier for my health not to feed the trolls, so to speak.

I'm talking about those who were fully aware of what was going on. I realise that not everyone wants to get involved - or should. A lot of people simply don't know what's happening when they see this stuff. I wish no-one had to see it in the first place.

Anyway, I'm done with it for now. I hope I don't have to talk abouit this evil garbage again.

1270 reine.de.tout  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 6:54:53am

re: #1269 Jimmah

I'm talking about those who were fully aware of what was going on. I realise that not everyone wants to get involved - or should. A lot of people simply don't know what's happening when they see this stuff. I wish no-one had to see it in the first place.

Anyway, I'm done with it for now. I hope I don't have to talk abouit this evil garbage again.

Jimmah-
I am not always aware of what's going on.
I'm always logged in; but I'm up and down and checking in for a few, then off again. I don't see or read every comment.

Yes you are correct the sort of name-calling that gets thrown Iceweasel's way is hideous. But I would suggest that not everyone who is logged in but fails to respond is deliberately refusing to respond. Many have decided that they prefer to stay out of the fray; others simply aren't at the computer at the time things are going on.

1271 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 6:55:33am

This is a refreshing bit of news... some conservatives with an actual game plan instead of just "obstructing."

"GOP 'Young Guns' Book Features Eric Cantor, Paul Ryan, Kevin McCarthy"

"A year and a half into President Obama's administration, it has become clear that the voters' disgust with Washington has been mistaken for the desire for a far-left agenda. Cantor, Ryan and McCarthy are proud Republicans. But they believe that thier [sic] party has lost sight of American ideals. Through campaign support for those who believe in private sector job creation, maximized individual freedom, and a better America for our children, the Young Guns are changing the face of the Republican Party and giving Americans a road-map to get back to the American Dream."

[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

1272 darthstar  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 6:56:52am

Good morning, and sad news for Yankees fans.

Steinbrenner's dead.

[Link: www.usatoday.com...]

1273 thedopefishlives  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 6:58:27am

re: #1270 reine.de.tout

But I would suggest that not everyone who is logged in but fails to respond is deliberately refusing to respond. Many have decided that they prefer to stay out of the fray; others simply aren't at the computer at the time things are going on.

This is what I was trying to say. Thank you.

1274 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 6:58:44am

re: #1271 Walter L. Newton

This is a refreshing bit of news... some conservatives with an actual game plan instead of just "obstructing."

"GOP 'Young Guns' Book Features Eric Cantor, Paul Ryan, Kevin McCarthy"

"A year and a half into President Obama's administration, it has become clear that the voters' disgust with Washington has been mistaken for the desire for a far-left agenda. Cantor, Ryan and McCarthy are proud Republicans. But they believe that thier [sic] party has lost sight of American ideals. Through campaign support for those who believe in private sector job creation, maximized individual freedom, and a better America for our children, the Young Guns are changing the face of the Republican Party and giving Americans a road-map to get back to the American Dream."

[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

I remember back in the 90s when there was a bunch of freshmen Republican representatives (including a certain Santorum from western PA) who expected to come into Washington and lead the charge to clean up our government and pass laws in the interest of their constituents and not the corporate special interests.

Speaker of the House Gingrich whipped them into line within two months.

1275 lawhawk  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 6:59:00am

re: #1272 darthstar

It's been a tough couple of days for Yankee fans. The voice of god died over the weekend (Bob Sheppard - the Yankees announcer) and now this. Steinbrenner had been in declining health, but apparently had a heart attack last night.

1276 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 7:05:55am

re: #1274 oaktree

I remember back in the 90s when there was a bunch of freshmen Republican representatives (including a certain Santorum from western PA) who expected to come into Washington and lead the charge to clean up our government and pass laws in the interest of their constituents and not the corporate special interests.

Speaker of the House Gingrich whipped them into line within two months.

Admittedly, they are up against a hard slog. They would be if they were any stripe, any party. I'm the first around here to rant about the non-partisan kleptocrats and plutocrats in Washington, and you're right, they are not going to go without kicking and screaming.

But this kind of stuff, attempts like Ryan is making, this kind of effort needs to be put forth, and keep coming, from all sides, until the message is clear.

At this point I would love to see some more of this on the left, some discuss that it's really the same old, same old in DC and some effort to change it, change it some how.

I know if you read the mission statement of the tea party, that was sort of an idea they were trying to follow, but their partisanship is showing through (and sometimes racism and some other old bugaboo's that are not helping one bit).

No, while I understand you comment, I don't think it's ever a worthless venture to at least try to upset the apple cart, and hopefully again and again until they get the message in DC.

Because bottom line is... all partisanship aside, they is barely no one left in our federal government that really cares a whit about the rest of the common janes and joes... there is a big problem and I don't think partisan politics will solve it anymore.

1277 darthstar  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 7:06:11am

re: #1271 Walter L. Newton

This is a refreshing bit of news... some conservatives with an actual game plan instead of just "obstructing."

"GOP 'Young Guns' Book Features Eric Cantor, Paul Ryan, Kevin McCarthy"

Through campaign support for those who believe in private sector job creation, maximized individual freedom, and a better America for our children,


Empty, emotional rhetoric.

If they had a new game plan, they'd be playing it. They're still saying "No" no matter what, and they're still not offering constructive solutions or offering to work with the majority on aspects of legislation that concern them. It's just a shiny coat of paint on the same old shit.

1278 Aye Pod  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 7:06:57am

re: #1265 CuriousLurker

Thanks for that, Jimmah. It's nice to see people focus on something positive.

Cheers Curious! You might have noticed I'm not a religious person and don't have much love for the scriptures of any of the religions that I've seen - but I'm sick of the bigotry that is involved with the attempt to smear everyone who belongs to this or that faith. I admit I became rather Islamophonic after 9/11 - for quite a while. It was actually re-reading the bible that made me realise that the Christian scriptures were every bit as problematic as the Muslim ones. If Christians and Jews can live their lives without following the nastier or crazier parts of the bible, there is no reason why Muslims shouldn't be expected do the same regarding their scriptures. And of course that's exactly what the majority of them do - certainly the muslims I have met.

1279 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 7:08:14am

re: #1277 darthstar

Empty, emotional rhetoric.

If they had a new game plan, they'd be playing it. They're still saying "No" no matter what, and they're still not offering constructive solutions or offering to work with the majority on aspects of legislation that concern them. It's just a shiny coat of paint on the same old shit.

The book just came out. It's not a party platform, and it's certainly not going to be "loved" by all the inbred career-bound conservative politicians.

Funny, you shoot it down even for effort. Scared of something?

1280 tnguitarist  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 7:13:17am

It looks like George Steinbrenner has passed away.

1281 darthstar  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 7:13:28am

re: #1276 Walter L. Newton


Because bottom line is... all partisanship aside, they is barely no one left in our federal government that really cares a whit about the rest of the common janes and joes... there is a big problem and I don't think partisan politics will solve it anymore.

There have been many opportunities over the past two years for this to change. Health Care reform ring a bell? The Democrats were begging for input from the Republicans. They cut some of the most significant aspects of the bill out to try and bring some people on board from the GOP, and they got nothing. The bill that did pass, while historic, is much weaker than it would have been had there been an honest effort to work together. Only one Republican in the house, Eric Cao, crossed the aisle, and he only did it on one vote.

In the Senate, Scott Brown is starting to show that he's not just a partisan tool, which is hopeful - he's kind of like a blue-dog Democrat. Get a few more of him in both houses, then you'll have a reason to be hopeful.

1282 Obdicut  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 7:14:17am

re: #1279 Walter L. Newton

Eric Cantor has been a rep for more than 9 years, and before that was a state rep.

Ryan has been in his seat for twelve years, and before that worked for William Bennett, one of the main authors of intrusive drug policy.

Kevin McCarthy inherited Bill Thomas's seat after working for him since the '90's.

Is the 'young guns' thing supposed to be a joke? These guys are "inbred career-bound conservative politicians." They're pretty much the definition of it.

1283 tnguitarist  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 7:17:38am

re: #1282 Obdicut

Eric Cantor has been a rep for more than 9 years, and before that was a state rep.

Ryan has been in his seat for twelve years, and before that worked for William Bennett, one of the main authors of intrusive drug policy.

Kevin McCarthy inherited Bill Thomas's seat after working for him since the '90's.

Is the 'young guns' thing supposed to be a joke? These guys are "inbred career-bound conservative politicians." They're pretty much the definition of it.

I love what counts for "young" in the Republican party. Their Young Eagle donors go up to 45 I believe.

1284 darthstar  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 7:18:52am

re: #1279 Walter L. Newton

The book just came out. It's not a party platform, and it's certainly not going to be "loved" by all the inbred career-bound conservative politicians.

Funny, you shoot it down even for effort. Scared of something?



62 years old is a "young gun" in the GOP?

This is a rebranding effort, not a political change. But their target audience is the GOP base, so I suppose an average age of 50 does count as 'young.'

1285 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 7:19:06am

re: #1276 Walter L. Newton


[snip]
Because bottom line is... all partisanship aside, they is barely no one left in our federal government that really cares a whit about the rest of the common janes and joes... there is a big problem and I don't think partisan politics will solve it anymore.

I don't think partisan politics will ever be the solution. The "out" group campaigns on cleaning it up and once "in" they belly up to the trough themselves. That's a good indication that the issue isn't the balance between parties (and Jariek had links showing that spending etc. in terms of GDP was not tied to a particular party controlling Congress or the Presidency in the recent past), but that the special interests have gained sway and essentially own the majority of the members of both major parties.

Who was it that said that the best leaders are often the reluctant ones? And that those who want to run for office are often those the least qualified to actually hold it.

1286 Obdicut  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 7:19:17am

Oh man, this is hilarious:

On April 1, 2009, Ryan introduced the GOP Alternative to the 2010 United States federal budget. This proposed alternative would have eliminated the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009, lowered the top tax rate to 25%, introduced an 8.5% value-added consumption tax, and imposed a five-year spending freeze on all discretionary spending.

Remember that VAT tax that so many people have been hyperventilating about Obama imposing (somehow) because it's totally a commie thing to do? With Fox news stories about Obama inching closer to it?

I guess VAT taxes are okay when they're twinned with a big cut in the top tax rate.

Fucking hilarious.

1287 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 7:21:48am

re: #1278 Jimmah

Cheers Curious! You might have noticed I'm not a religious person and don't have much love for the scriptures of any of the religions that I've seen - but I'm sick of the bigotry that is involved with the attempt to smear everyone who belongs to this or that faith. I admit I became rather Islamophonic after 9/11 - for quite a while. It was actually re-reading the bible that made me realise that the Christian scriptures were every bit as problematic as the Muslim ones. If Christians and Jews can live their lives without following the nastier or crazier parts of the bible, there is no reason why Muslims shouldn't be expected do the same regarding their scriptures. And of course that's exactly what the majority of them do - certainly the muslims I have met.

And there are moderate Muslims. Just my opinion, but it's an opinion derived from observation and some personal experience, the nature of the Islamic religion to exclude outsiders, to be a closed community of believers, makes it harder for the moderate members to feel free to speak out.

I've studied a very large number of religious sects, both mainstream, isolated small sects and out right cults, and it's the cultic nature of Islam that create a atmosphere of fear for the moderate member.

As a former member of a number of cults myself, everyday inclusion in a group like that is a constant re-socializing process. You are constantly reminded, both in lecture, printed material and examples... of how the rest of the world is evil and you are to remove yourself from that world, only moving enough on the edges of that world to exist.

Group speak enables you to recognize your brothers and sisters. Repetitive activities keeps you busy, keep you away from other worldly activities, develops an obligation mentality... you have to be doing this at a certain time every day or week.

Other members are your moral compasses, watching you and counseling you, and reporting to family and religious elders if you "stray." You are reminded that this sort of policing is for your own good, and you believe that, even though this invasion of your private thoughts and activities goes against something natural in you.

All in all, it's really hard for members of groups like this to speak out against the excesses and abuses of their religion. Very hard, and frightening. When you hear someone say there are no moderate Muslims, you need to realize there are, but they are scared and confused... and in some areas of the world... their life actually depends on their silence and cooperation.

1288 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 7:24:22am

re: #1281 darthstar

There have been many opportunities over the past two years for this to change. Health Care reform ring a bell? The Democrats were begging for input from the Republicans. They cut some of the most significant aspects of the bill out to try and bring some people on board from the GOP, and they got nothing. The bill that did pass, while historic, is much weaker than it would have been had there been an honest effort to work together. Only one Republican in the house, Eric Cao, crossed the aisle, and he only did it on one vote.

In the Senate, Scott Brown is starting to show that he's not just a partisan tool, which is hopeful - he's kind of like a blue-dog Democrat. Get a few more of him in both houses, then you'll have a reason to be hopeful.

I agree with your last statement paragraph.

1289 albusteve  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 7:25:59am

even Mort Zuckerman is displeased with BO...so he's made the list of crazy liars, spewing hysterical blather...much the same as VDH

A year and a half ago Obama was walking on water. Today he is barely treading water. Then, his soaring rhetoric enraptured the nation. Today, his speeches cannot lift him past a 45 percent approval rating.

[Link: politics.usnews.com...]

1290 Obdicut  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 7:26:01am

re: #1287 Walter L. Newton

No, Islam as a whole is not 'cultic'. Sheesh. Or, by that definition, very large amounts of the world's religions are 'cultic'.

Seems a pretty useless designation; many, if not most, religions hold that the secular world is evil and tainted, and that only in the community and rituals of the church is purity or grace found.

1291 I Am Kreniigh!  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 7:26:19am

re: #76 Charles

Wow, cool. I just discovered there's an English-subtitled film version of The Girl With the Dragon Tattoo, by Swedish writer Stieg Larsson. Downloading from iTunes now.

Amazon has it in their Video on Demand section too.

It's been playing at the art house theatre down the street from my house for a couple months now.

This weekend, I saw a preview there for the sequel, The Girl Who Played With Fire, so that'll have English subtitles too.

1292 lawhawk  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 7:30:27am

Today is the day the LPC gets to hear from the community on the landmarking of the Cordoba House location 45/47 Park Place. They'll be getting an earful, but do people really understand that even if the LPC gives landmark status, this isn't necessarily the end of the project? Or that if they deny landmark status, it isn't over either.

Commissioners at Tuesday's hearing will discuss architectural and historical merits of the building. A vote is expected this summer.

Rick Bell, head of the American Institute of Architects-New York chapter, says 45 Park Place is simply not good enough to receive city protection.

"If I was on the commission, I would probably vote against maintaining it," Bell said. "This is a building no one will lose sleep over it if it's gone."

Roger Byrom, chairman of the landmarks committee for Community Board 1, said his group voted not to recommend landmark designation.

The 152 year old buildings aren't sufficiently meritorious in their design or lineage to be worthy of landmark designation - so say the AIA and the CB1 landmarks committee. There are far better examples of this kind of architecture, and the buildings themselves weren't landmarked years ago when the idea first was floated to give them that designation.

1293 kingkenrod  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 7:31:09am

re: #1286 Obdicut

Oh man, this is hilarious:

Remember that VAT tax that so many people have been hyperventilating about Obama imposing (somehow) because it's totally a commie thing to do? With Fox news stories about Obama inching closer to it?

I guess VAT taxes are okay when they're twinned with a big cut in the top tax rate.

Fucking hilarious.

It was to replace corporate income taxes, which are currently 25-30%. I haven't looked at VAT vs. income in depth, but it would at least help cut out corporate off-shore income shifting, which lets corporation make big profit and not pay any income taxes.

1294 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 7:36:31am

re: #1290 Obdicut

No, Islam as a whole is not 'cultic'. Sheesh. Or, by that definition, very large amounts of the world's religions are 'cultic'.

Seems a pretty useless designation; many, if not most, religions hold that the secular world is evil and tainted, and that only in the community and rituals of the church is purity or grace found.

I disagree... and I'm not going to argue with you about it. It's not a useless designation. There is a totally different group structure between a religion like Methodist and a religion like Islam. And that group dynamics weighs greatly on how it's members exist and deal with the world around them.

I've been through it, numerous times, as both an observer and a "believer." You can't dismiss facts that easily, just because Obdicut says it's not so.

Sorry...

1295 CuriousLurker  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 7:40:40am

re: #1278 Jimmah

Cheers Curious! You might have noticed I'm not a religious person and don't have much love for the scriptures of any of the religions that I've seen - but I'm sick of the bigotry that is involved with the attempt to smear everyone who belongs to this or that faith. I admit I became rather Islamophonic after 9/11 - for quite a while. It was actually re-reading the bible that made me realise that the Christian scriptures were every bit as problematic as the Muslim ones. If Christians and Jews can live their lives without following the nastier or crazier parts of the bible, there is no reason why Muslims shouldn't be expected do the same regarding their scriptures. And of course that's exactly what the majority of them do - certainly the muslims I have met.

One need not be religious to be fair minded. I think religion—or really almost anything for that matter—it mostly about what a person brings to it. If someone is insecure, paranoid, hateful, bigoted, etc. then they will seek out elements that feed those things and disregard the rest (and vice versa for people who bring the opposite). Of course the problem with that is that the negative types tend to come unhinged and drown out the others.

It's perfectly understandable that people would feel Islamophobic after 9/11. It was a horrible shock and emotions ran high. Had I not been Muslim when it happened, I would have likely felt the same way, at least for a while.

It doesn't help that many people don't know much about Islam, or what they do know comes to them second- or third-hand. Part of this is undoubtedly our own fault for not having reached out more so that people could get to know us and see that we're much more like them than we are different from them. That's one of the reasons I'm here. And trust me when I say that I felt I was entering a lion's den when I introduced myself here, heh. But like most groups of people, once I got to know you guys I realized you weren't nearly as scary as I'd imagined form the outside looking in. (Though I do realize I probably would've been ripped to shreds had I attempted to participate here a few years back, and there are hater who will be hater no matter what.)

1296 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 7:40:46am

Sen. Specter's Syrian Shuttle Diplomacy

U.S. Senator Arlen Specter is the latest international figure to attempt to broker a peace deal between Israel and its northern neighbor, Syria – but apparently with as little success as prior mediators.

Specter, age 80, has always been a supporter of Israel but has also been open to talks with Syria.

The Pennsylvania Democrat, for years a Republican before switching parties, traveled last week to Damascus following a meeting with Deputy Foreign Minister Danny Ayalon, who told him that Israel is ready to resume talks without preconditions. Ayalon reiterated previous assurances by Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu that Israel does not plan to launch attacks on Syria.

The deputy foreign minister also suggested that Specter appeal to Damascus to pressure the Hamas terrorist rulers of Gaza to free kidnapped IDF soldier Gilad Shalit, who has languished in captivity by the group for the past four years. Such a move, said Ayalon, would constitute a significant goodwill gesture with which to jumpstart talks between Israel and its northern neighbor. Hamas politburo chief Khaled Mashaal lives in Damascus.

Armed with this information, Specter turned to Syrian President Bashar Assad, with whom he met last week – and there the process apparently stopped cold. Specter later told the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette that talks between Syria and Israel have always depended on “a heavy press by the United States,” but he expressed optimism that negotiations might begin without preconditions at some point. He did not provide further details.

1297 albusteve  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 7:45:17am

Holder dithers and spins the forgotten KSM trial...

"This is another instance where I think politics, unfortunately, has entered into this discussion," he said. "I think there's a lot of misinformation out there. We have proven an ability to hold in our federal prison system people convicted of, charged with terrorist offenses very effectively, very safely. There is no reason to believe that people held in Guantanamo cannot be held wherever we put them in the United States."

stuck on stupid and frozen into inaction

[Link: www.cbsnews.com...]

1298 Aye Pod  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 7:46:15am

re: #1270 reine.de.tout

Yes you are correct the sort of name-calling that gets thrown Iceweasel's way is hideous. But I would suggest that not everyone who is logged in but fails to respond is deliberately refusing to respond. Many have decided that they prefer to stay out of the fray; others simply aren't at the computer at the time things are going on.

What about those who encourage it? Those who get involved by concern trolling the victims, and updinging those responsible? Those who urged their friends etc to log in and upding particularly disgusting attacks on ice which were subsequently deleted? I know there have been a lot of emails flying around about this - I'm sure people - including yourself - were far more aware of what was going on there than you are letting on.

Pretending that nobody knew what was happening is a non-starter. It's an obvious fact that there are some people here whose hatred for iceweasel is a match for anyone on the stalker blog. And they employ pretty much identical rhetoric to those people in their attacks too. That's just an ugly fact.

PS anyone who is responsible for calling iceweasel disgusting names - they know exactly who they are - had better apologise to ice properly if they want to talk to me - otherwise DON'T waste your time addressing me, or her.

1299 darthstar  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 7:50:30am

re: #1297 albusteve

Holder dithers and spins the forgotten KSM trial...

"This is another instance where I think politics, unfortunately, has entered into this discussion," he said. "I think there's a lot of misinformation out there. We have proven an ability to hold in our federal prison system people convicted of, charged with terrorist offenses very effectively, very safely. There is no reason to believe that people held in Guantanamo cannot be held wherever we put them in the United States."

stuck on stupid and frozen into inaction

[Link: www.cbsnews.com...]

Holder's right. There's no reason for keeping people in Guantanamo Bay. Indiana has a brand new maximum security prison that's empty right now. The Government could lease that from Indiana, fill it with Gitmo detainees, and create local jobs in the process...and guess what? None of the kids playing basketball in the park would be in any more danger than they are today.

They should just pick a US venue, start jury selection, and get on with the trial. In four or five weeks, it'll be over, KSM will be convicted, and then we can flush him down the toilet and move the fuck on to a real concern.

1300 McSpiff  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 7:51:16am

re: #1298 Jimmah

Have I mentioned that I got a man-crush on you? No homo.

1301 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 7:52:27am

Teachers fired after in-school nudity


NEW YORK, July 9 (UPI) -- A New York high school fired two female teachers who were found one recent evening allegedly drunk and at least partially naked in a classroom, officials said.

New York High School Superintendent Linda Waite's report of the Nov. 20 incident said James Madison High School French teacher Cindy Mauro, 34, and Spanish teacher Alini Brito, 30, were found in a classroom at 8:50 p.m. by maintenance workers, the New York Daily News reported Friday.

Waite said the workers reported seeing "a woman lying on the floor naked from the waist up" and a school safety officer summoned to the classroom said the women were "naked," with one "on her knees" and one "lying on the floor."

The superintendent said the teachers appeared drunk, displaying slurred speech, red eyes and difficulty walking without stumbling.

Waite said there were students in the building at the time of the incident, as the annual SING! competition was underway.

1302 What, me worry?  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 7:53:12am

re: #1296 NJDhockeyfan

Syria wants the Golan Heights? They're going to negotiate with Israel without it? I doubt it. No more land for peace deals.

Several months ago, Syria -- which has tightened its military ties with Iran and Turkey -- was accused of transferring Scud missiles to Hizbullah, which has amassed a weapons arsenal of some 40,000 rockets and missiles, far more than the cache with which it began the Second Lebanon War against Israel in 2006.

Back to square 1 again.

1303 CuriousLurker  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 7:53:34am

re: #1287 Walter L. Newton

And there are moderate Muslims. Just my opinion, but it's an opinion derived from observation and some personal experience, the nature of the Islamic religion to exclude outsiders, to be a closed community of believers, makes it harder for the moderate members to feel free to speak out.

I've studied a very large number of religious sects, both mainstream, isolated small sects and out right cults, and it's the cultic nature of Islam that create a atmosphere of fear for the moderate member.

As a former member of a number of cults myself, everyday inclusion in a group like that is a constant re-socializing process. You are constantly reminded, both in lecture, printed material and examples... of how the rest of the world is evil and you are to remove yourself from that world, only moving enough on the edges of that world to exist.

Group speak enables you to recognize your brothers and sisters. Repetitive activities keeps you busy, keep you away from other worldly activities, develops an obligation mentality... you have to be doing this at a certain time every day or week.

I don't think the average Muslim thinks or feels that way, Walter—at least not 99% of the ones I've met over 20 years. There are certainly some Muslims who do close themselves off, and that's not healthy. As a matter of fact, we are urged to be "in the world, but not of the world' meaning we shouldn't close ourselves off or shun the world, but we should maintain our ethics while out participating in the world. As for Muslims being cowed by the fanatics, maybe that's true overseas, but not here. Not for me or anyone I know.

I could explain the Muslim world view—i.e. how we see ourselves in relation to the rest of humanity/creation, but alas, I have incoming client emails and must depart for the time being. Maybe I'll do a page about it along with the one I'm currently working on regarding taqiyyah.

Gotta run. Have a great day, everyone.

1304 albusteve  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 7:55:05am

re: #1299 darthstar

Holder's right. There's no reason for keeping people in Guantanamo Bay. Indiana has a brand new maximum security prison that's empty right now. The Government could lease that from Indiana, fill it with Gitmo detainees, and create local jobs in the process...and guess what? None of the kids playing basketball in the park would be in any more danger than they are today.

They should just pick a US venue, start jury selection, and get on with the trial. In four or five weeks, it'll be over, KSM will be convicted, and then we can flush him down the toilet and move the fuck on to a real concern.

I think the notion of closing Gitmo is pretty unpopular...it's there, it works just fine and there is no reason to close it, other than some trumped up negative perception that few believe anyway

1305 darthstar  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 7:55:10am

re: #1298 Jimmah

Why would anyone 'hate' anyone here...especially Ice? Sure, we don't agree with each other, and some people are down-right rude to those they disagree with at times, but for chrissakes, we're all supposedly adults here.

I missed the blow-out, and for that I'm thankful. Give my best to iceweasel.

1306 reine.de.tout  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 7:56:56am

re: #1298 Jimmah

What about those who encourage it? Those who get involved by concern trolling the victims, and updinging those responsible? Those who urged their friends etc to log in and upding particularly disgusting attacks on ice which were subsequently deleted? I know there have been a lot of emails flying around about this - I'm sure people - including yourself - were far more aware of what was going on there than you are letting on. . . .
.

Whoa.
I'm not involved in any sort of campaign to get people to log on and upding/downding. The implication that I am is not appreciated.

1307 tnguitarist  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 7:57:42am

re: #1301 NJDhockeyfan

I went to the wrong school. Seriously, I think the youngest teacher I ever had was 60.

1308 darthstar  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 7:58:06am

re: #1304 albusteve

I think the notion of closing Gitmo is pretty unpopular...it's there, it works just fine and there is no reason to close it, other than some trumped up negative perception that few believe anyway

Close it, and in three months most Americans won't even remember it was ever open. If you need evidence for this, just wait a week and look at how people view the BP oil spill now that the oil flow has been contained...to them, it's over.

1309 albusteve  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 7:58:17am

re: #1306 reine.de.tout

Whoa.
I'm not involved in any sort of campaign to get people to log on and upding/downding. The implication that I am is not appreciated.

it goes on and on...
feed the beast and watch it flare up again

1310 thedopefishlives  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 7:58:35am

re: #1305 darthstar

Why would anyone 'hate' anyone here...especially Ice? Sure, we don't agree with each other, and some people are down-right rude to those they disagree with at times, but for chrissakes, we're all supposedly adults here.

Eh, there's some long history between several members here that affects their interpersonal relations. I don't know a whole lot more than that about it, because most of the time, when the issues start to flare up, I just log out for a while.

1311 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 7:58:51am

Obama's poll numbers continue to fall...

Confidence in Obama reaches new low, Washington Post-ABC News poll finds

Public confidence in President Obama has hit a new low, according to the latest Washington Post-ABC News poll. Four months before midterm elections that will define the second half of his term, nearly six in 10 voters say they lack faith in the president to make the right decisions for the country, and a clear majority once again disapproves of how he is dealing with the economy.

Overall, more than a third of voters polled -- 36 percent -- say they have no confidence or only some confidence in the president, congressional Democrats and congressional Republicans. Among independents, this disillusionment is higher still. About two-thirds of all voters say they are dissatisfied with or angry about the way the federal government is working.

(See the raw data of the Washington Post-ABC poll)

Such broad negative sentiments have spurred a potent anti-incumbent mood. Just 26 percent of registered voters say they are inclined to support their representative in the House this fall; 62 percent are inclined to look for someone new.

1312 Aye Pod  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 7:59:05am

re: #1295 CuriousLurker

One need not be religious to be fair minded. I think religion—or really almost anything for that matter—it mostly about what a person brings to it. If someone is insecure, paranoid, hateful, bigoted, etc. then they will seek out elements that feed those things and disregard the rest (and vice versa for people who bring the opposite). Of course the problem with that is that the negative types tend to come unhinged and drown out the others.

Great point - I tried to articulate something like that myself but gave up.

Just by way of giving a concrete example of what I said earlier - One of the things I really hated in the Koran was the part where God talks about altering the minds of sinners so that they sin more, in order that they can be punished more. When I read the Koran I thought that was something that was uniquely evil in the religion. When I later read the first few chapters of the bible again, I could see that it was actually just reflecting on the example God sets in his dealings with the Pharoah, 'hardening his heart' so that more plagues can be visited upon him. I still think that is messed up btw - but one can't blame Islam as the originator of that idea. (I'm sure there are other interpretations of those passages btw -this is just my read of them).

1313 lawhawk  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 7:59:14am

The Son of Sam serial killer gets a rewrite.

1314 ryannon  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 7:59:58am

re: #1187 Walter L. Newton

Gosh... I'm up early... couldn't sleep... am I too early for the AM wingnut wave? :)

Waves.

The funniest thing is that of everyone on this forum, I most likely have the oldest, furthest-reaching and the most impeccable creds as a dyed in the wool radical-cum-liberal. I'm not even going to go into it, but it goes back to a time when most of the entitled kidz here had the political consciousness of turnips, and most likely their parents as well as their parents before them. One thing I learned at around the age of eighteen, gun in hand one night at the darkened window of a black church had been threatened to be bombed by the White Citizens' Council, was that descriptors could be used to obfuscate the truth and smear the innocent. Words were not always what they purported to be.

It was a lesson I never forgot.

1315 tnguitarist  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 8:01:50am

Somebody wake Charles up and tell him we need a new thread.

1316 darthstar  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 8:02:56am

re: #1311 NJDhockeyfan

Obama's poll numbers continue to fall...

Confidence in Obama reaches new low, Washington Post-ABC News poll finds



OH NOES!!!

1317 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 8:02:59am

re: #1314 ryannon

Waves.

The funniest thing is that of everyone on this forum, I most likely have the oldest, furthest-reaching and the most impeccable creds as a dyed in the wool radical-cum-liberal. I'm not even going to go into it, but it goes back to a time when most of the entitled kidz here had the political consciousness of turnips, and most likely their parents as well as their parents before them. One thing I learned at around the age of eighteen, gun in hand one night at the darkened window of a black church had been threatened to be bombed by the White Citizens' Council, was that descriptors could be used to obfuscate the truth and smear the innocent. Words were not always what they purported to be.

It was a lesson I never forgot.

And without going into it at all, I know exactly what you are saying and where you are coming from. I suspected as much.

Some people are experts at "descriptors that could be used to obfuscate the truth and smear the innocent."

I spent most of my spent youth or a similar track.

1318 albusteve  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 8:03:07am

re: #1308 darthstar

Close it, and in three months most Americans won't even remember it was ever open. If you need evidence for this, just wait a week and look at how people view the BP oil spill now that the oil flow has been contained...to them, it's over.

if you can predict the future, then so can I...if it were that easy, why hasn't it been done? because popular opinion is supercharged against it...closing Gitmo makes no sense...there are plenty of federal criminals to put in the Indiana prison, but no funding for staff as I recall, takeing care of that would be money well spent...Gitmo is perfect for what it is used for

1319 kingkenrod  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 8:03:31am

re: #1299 darthstar

Holder's right. There's no reason for keeping people in Guantanamo Bay. Indiana has a brand new maximum security prison that's empty right now. The Government could lease that from Indiana, fill it with Gitmo detainees, and create local jobs in the process...and guess what? None of the kids playing basketball in the park would be in any more danger than they are today.

They should just pick a US venue, start jury selection, and get on with the trial. In four or five weeks, it'll be over, KSM will be convicted, and then we can flush him down the toilet and move the fuck on to a real concern.

I'm not sure what's holding the trial up, it was announced a long time ago. Why is it held up?

And I think 5 weeks is pretty optimistic. It would probably be years before they can get through preliminaries and seat a jury.

I also think there are questions about getting a fair jury, or getting an intimidated jury.

1321 darthstar  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 8:06:25am

re: #1318 albusteve

if you can predict the future, then so can I...if it were that easy, why hasn't it been done? because popular opinion is supercharged against it...closing Gitmo makes no sense...there are plenty of federal criminals to put in the Indiana prison, but no funding for staff as I recall, takeing care of that would be money well spent...Gitmo is perfect for what it is used for

It hasn't been done because our representatives live on the 24 hour news networks. Any attempt to change Bush policy is spun as 'surrendering to terrorists' and we are in an election year. Had President Obama just issued the executive order in his first month and the Democrats shoved through the closing while they had 60 seats, nobody would give a shit today, as we would have moved on from living in fear of a handful of foot-soldiers.

1322 albusteve  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 8:06:40am

re: #1316 darthstar


OH NOES!!!

BO is on the verge of a full meltdown...oh noes! is right

1323 Aye Pod  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 8:08:02am

re: #1306 reine.de.tout

Whoa.
I'm not involved in any sort of campaign to get people to log on and upding/downding. The implication that I am is not appreciated.

What I actually said was that I am simply not buying that you didn't know what was going on - not that you were directly responsible for it. You are the most well connected lizard on LGF these days, and you can't have missed what was going on. That's all.

1324 tnguitarist  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 8:08:28am

re: #1322 albusteve

BO is on the verge of a full meltdown...oh noes! is right

Yet, 56% of the people surveyed still trust him to get the job done. That would seem to take a lot of Independents and maybe even a few Republicans to get that number.

1325 What, me worry?  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 8:08:30am

re: #1298 Jimmah

For what it's worth. I don't see why people just don't ignore some of this stuff. Like last night, when Mandy started in. Why not just ignore her? If no one said anything, it wouldn't have even been noticed.

Maybe folks think that if they don't back down, it makes them look weak? They have to respond to each and every insult. But how does it look when one person says something stupid and then there's 300 posts of mudslinging? It makes us look ridiculous and I know Charles doesn't like it.

L-E-T G-O. It's ok. If someone objects to your thoughts on a specific topic, then it's fair game to state your side, but these personality conflicts are a downer for everyone. I won't stick my nose in it.

1326 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 8:10:23am

[Link: www.ocregister.com...]

ORLY IN YUR CORTZ DEFENDIN YUR RITZ

1327 kingkenrod  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 8:10:26am

re: #1320 Killgore Trout

U.S. stocks advance as early results cheer investors

Nice.

We've had about 6 days of advances in a row, I think. A very good sign.

1328 RogueOne  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 8:10:58am

re: #1299 darthstar

Holder's right. There's no reason for keeping people in Guantanamo Bay. Indiana has a brand new maximum security prison that's empty right now. The Government could lease that from Indiana, fill it with Gitmo detainees, and create local jobs in the process...and guess what? None of the kids playing basketball in the park would be in any more danger than they are today.

They should just pick a US venue, start jury selection, and get on with the trial. In four or five weeks, it'll be over, KSM will be convicted, and then we can flush him down the toilet and move the fuck on to a real concern.

I think you mean Illinois.

1329 albusteve  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 8:11:12am

re: #1319 kingkenrod

I'm not sure what's holding the trial up, it was announced a long time ago. Why is it held up?

And I think 5 weeks is pretty optimistic. It would probably be years before they can get through preliminaries and seat a jury.

I also think there are questions about getting a fair jury, or getting an intimidated jury.

the administration is working on a decision, and then one must consider the mid-terms...bringing the trial to NYC or anywhere else but Gitmo will create a firestorm, can't have that...and to have the trial at Gitmo would be a huge policy failure, can't have that...it's all the politics of fear...BO and Holder fucked themselves on this one, not that any supporter would admit it

1330 thedopefishlives  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 8:11:36am

re: #1326 oaktree

[Link: www.ocregister.com...]

ORLY IN YUR CORTZ DEFENDIN YUR RITZ

Oh, for the love of Pete. Someone get that stupid woman off the stage, would ya? I think I'd laugh if the Supremes came back and said, "You know, you're right. The fine wasn't stiff enough. Have a $50k sanction and a nice day."

1331 darthstar  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 8:12:02am

re: #1322 albusteve

BO is on the verge of a full meltdown...oh noes! is right

The Media's just blowing their vuvuzelas to keep ratings high through the summer. If you look at the cross tabs on that poll, they lump people with 'some confidence' in with those who have 'no confidence'...while 'very confident' and 'confident' are considered positive. My experience has been that people who have 'some confidence' aren't exactly itching to jump on the next bandwagon...some might, but not all.

And the President remains calm and confident.

1332 What, me worry?  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 8:12:18am

re: #1326 oaktree

[Link: www.ocregister.com...]

ORLY IN YUR CORTZ DEFENDIN YUR RITZ

Tyranny. She can't stop herself from wailing about nonsense and she calls it tyranny. Someone should glue a rainbow wig and a big red nose to her face.

1333 albusteve  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 8:12:19am

re: #1324 tnguitarist

Yet, 56% of the people surveyed still trust him to get the job done. That would seem to take a lot of Independents and maybe even a few Republicans to get that number.

yep...we'll see what happens

1334 Aye Pod  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 8:12:28am

re: #1300 McSpiff

Have I mentioned that I got a man-crush on you? No homo.

I appreciate it! Cheers :)

Gives me a chance to post this again :

1335 darthstar  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 8:12:41am

re: #1328 RogueOne

I think you mean Illinois.

One of those grid-states that look pretty from 39,000 feet.

1336 albusteve  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 8:13:34am

re: #1331 darthstar

The Media's just blowing their vuvuzelas to keep ratings high through the summer. If you look at the cross tabs on that poll, they lump people with 'some confidence' in with those who have 'no confidence'...while 'very confident' and 'confident' are considered positive. My experience has been that people who have 'some confidence' aren't exactly itching to jump on the next bandwagon...some might, but not all.

And the President remains calm and confident.

how do you know this?...you know him personally?

1337 darthstar  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 8:13:49am

re: #1333 albusteve

yep...we'll see what happens

And we'll still be here to console you if he fails to fail to your expectations.

1338 albusteve  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 8:14:53am

re: #1337 darthstar

And we'll still be here to console you if he fails to fail to your expectations.

he already has...and for a lot of other people too
you can run, but you can't hide...just spin

1339 darthstar  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 8:15:35am

re: #1336 albusteve

how do you know this?...you know him personally?

I listen. I observe. I've seen nothing to indicate he's in a panic. No "bring it on" posturing comments. Just business as usual.

1340 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 8:16:21am

re: #1335 darthstar

One of those grid-states that look pretty from 39,000 feet.

Ever notice that golf courses are generally recognizable as such from just about any altitude. And since they have different configurations one could fairly easily differentiate between them and use them as an additional unofficial navigation tool.

And we know that golfers and especially private golf clubs are bastions of conservative right-wing reactionary types...

So they've secretly put up a secret air navigation system for the bombers to use as a reference for finding and bombing the liberal enclaves when the coup happens...

/// (black hole massive sarc)

1341 darthstar  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 8:17:31am

Okay...time to get some clothes on and head to work. Back in a while.

1342 thedopefishlives  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 8:18:46am

re: #1340 oaktree

You should be on the Alex Jones show, my friend.

1343 Aye Pod  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 8:20:21am

re: #1325 marjoriemoon

For what it's worth. I don't see why people just don't ignore some of this stuff. Like last night, when Mandy started in. Why not just ignore her? If no one said anything, it wouldn't have even been noticed.

Maybe folks think that if they don't back down, it makes them look weak? They have to respond to each and every insult. But how does it look when one person says something stupid and then there's 300 posts of mudslinging? It makes us look ridiculous and I know Charles doesn't like it.

L-E-T G-O. It's ok. If someone objects to your thoughts on a specific topic, then it's fair game to state your side, but these personality conflicts are a downer for everyone. I won't stick my nose in it.

Ask Charles why not ignore her. Ask Charles why he deletes such comments. I think he'll probably tell you it's because it makes the site look bad and puts off the kind of reasonable posters he is trying to attract.

As for the other really horrible stuff - I wonder if you would be so Ghandi-like if it were you or someone you loved who was being called words like 'whore', 'sociopath' and 'psychopath'.

But I agree with you completely that this sort of thing really does put people off, and that is bad for the site. I have resolved not to engage with anyone who makes comments like that again. From now on I'll just be reporting them if they re-occur.

1344 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 8:21:37am

WTF?

Senators question if BP played role in Pan Am bomber's release

A group of U.S. lawmakers have called for an investigation into whether BP may have played a role in lobbying for the release of Abdel Basset al Megrahi to secure an oil contract with the Libyan government.

Megrahi, now 58, was convicted and sentenced to life in prison for the 1988 bombing of Pan Am Flight 103 which killed 270 people, including 189 Americans.

He was released from a Scottish prison on compassionate grounds in August after he was diagnosed with prostate cancer.

"Reports have surfaced indicating that a 2007 oil agreement may have influenced the U.K. and Scottish governments' positions concerning Mr. Megrahi's release in 2009," wrote Democratic Senator Frank Lautenberg of New Jersey in a letter to the Senate Committee on Foreign Relations on Monday.

"The families of the victims of Pan Am flight 103 deserve to know whether justice took a back seat to commercial interests in this case," Lauternberg said.

Mark Salt, a spokesman for BP in Houston, Texas, declined to discuss the Senators' probe.

"We're not going to comment on speculation," he said.

BP, which plans to begin offshore drilling in Libya in the coming months, touted the 2007 oil agreement as "the single biggest exploration financial commitment an international energy company has ever made to Libya," according to the company's website.

The troubled oil giant stands to earn as much as $20 billion from the deal, according to Lautenberg.

1345 Aye Pod  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 8:23:03am

I have to go - catch you later folks.

1346 garhighway  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 8:26:10am

re: #1344 NJDhockeyfan

WTF?

Senators question if BP played role in Pan Am bomber's release

Classic Congressional piling on.

1347 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 8:26:19am

re: #1342 thedopefishlives

You should be on the Alex Jones show, my friend.

Amazing how you can spend 10-15 seconds and spin a factoid into a wacky conspiracy theory.

1348 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 8:27:05am

re: #1326 oaktree

[Link: www.ocregister.com...]

ORLY IN YUR CORTZ DEFENDIN YUR RITZ

Look at the comments:

So glad that this brave and tenacious woman is keeping up the good fight for truth. May God keep giving her strength. She is a TRUE patriot.

I really, REALLY like this woman. She's got bigger stones than just about every man I've ever met.

and

Would that America should have more patriots like this one; willing to stand by right conviction at great personal sacrifice. Alas~ I am concerned however, that it does not.

As a point of observation, it is interesting to note that it takes an émigré from a former Soviet nation to appreciate the beauty of the American Constitution, our Bill of Rights and the premise of Due Process.

May God bless and keep her.

DRS

Nutbags abound.

1349 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 8:27:45am

re: #1348 Fozzie Bear

woops part of the one quote got bumped outside the blockquote.

PIMF

1350 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 8:28:06am

re: #1344 NJDhockeyfan

WTF?

Senators question if BP played role in Pan Am bomber's release

It's possible. The arrangement to release the bomber and normalize relations with Libya was done long ago. Europe and America made all kinds of shady deals involving front companies and middlemen.

1351 albusteve  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 8:29:12am

For thousands of career firefighters, the choice to volunteer for their hometown fire department during off-duty hours comes with a threat of expulsion from their labor union. That is exactly what happened to Vincent Pereira and Michael Schaffer, firefighters from New Jersey who were targeted by the International Association of Fire Fighters (IAFF) because of their volunteer service. Mr. Pereira was expelled, and Mr. Schaffer departed the IAFF on his own after being threatened with expulsion if he didn't stop volunteering.

not surprised, if the Times has it right

[Link: www.washingtontimes.com...]

1352 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 8:29:36am

re: #1346 garhighway

Classic Congressional piling on.

Do you disagree with the piling-on in this case?

1353 thedopefishlives  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 8:29:45am

re: #1347 oaktree

Amazing how you can spend 10-15 seconds and spin a factoid into a wacky conspiracy theory.

That's because wacky conspiracy theories take absolutely no thought to invent. That's why they're uniquely the province of the vast unhinged.

1354 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 8:29:59am

re: #1346 garhighway

Classic Congressional piling on.

Correction - Classic Democrat Congressional piling on.

"In a letter to the British government last week, Lauternberg was joined by Democratic Senators Kristen Gillibrand and Charles Schumer of New York, and Bob Menendez of New Jersey in calling the validity of such a prognosis into question."

1355 Ericus58  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 8:31:20am

When it rains, it pours...

Northrop May Shut Louisiana Shipyard With 5,000 Jobs

" Northrop Grumman Corp. Chief Executive Officer Wes Bush may be giving up on one of the two U.S. Navy shipyards whose vessels were cited for defects and delays.

Governor Bobby Jindal of Louisiana said yesterday that Northrop has told the state that the yard in Avondale near New Orleans risks being shut because it lacks orders beyond 2012, putting about 5,000 employees out of work. Louisiana is in talks with possible buyers and tenants, Jindal said in a statement."

1356 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 8:31:50am

Tea Parties become a white rights advocacy group: We Will Not Be Silenced! St. Louis Tea Party Passes Resolution Condemning NAACP Racism (Gateway Pundit)

1357 albusteve  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 8:32:37am

re: #1356 Killgore Trout

Tea Parties become a white rights advocacy group: We Will Not Be Silenced! St. Louis Tea Party Passes Resolution Condemning NAACP Racism (Gateway Pundit)

the old Double Reverse

1358 It's a cookbook!  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 8:33:47am

re: #1356 Killgore Trout

Tea Parties become a white rights advocacy group: We Will Not Be Silenced! St. Louis Tea Party Passes Resolution Condemning NAACP Racism (Gateway Pundit)

On the bright side, I can't imagine the Tea Party has that many African-American members left to lose...

1359 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 8:34:58am

re: #1356 Killgore Trout

Silly me, thinking that racism on the part of white people was increasingly an issue. Of course, it's those uppity n***s, causing trouble again.

/ x Eleventy Billion

1360 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 8:35:00am

re: #1357 albusteve

the old Double Reverse

I suspect getting Michelle Obama may have been a shrewd political move to push the Tea Parties into becoming a full blown open White Rights group. They were certainly leaning that way and this may push them over the edge.

1361 Radicchio ad Absurdum  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 8:35:40am

re: #1359 Fozzie Bear

Mel, is that you?

1362 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 8:36:14am

re: #1358 JasonA

On the bright side, I can't imagine the Tea Party has that many African-American members left to lose...

Black Activists Condemn NAACP Resolution Against Tea Party Movement

Washington, DC – As the NAACP plans to use their group’s prestige to bash the tea party movement, members of the Project 21 black leadership network are urging delegates at the NAACP’s national convention not to turn the NAACP into a pawn for progressive political bosses.

(GatewayPundit)

Touche'

1363 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 8:37:29am

It's time for NAACP, SPLC, etc, to get fully involved. Of course, there will be pushback to the pushback, but the open race baiting can't be allowed to continue unchallenged.

The thinly veiled white nationalist movement needs to be unveiled.

1364 It's a cookbook!  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 8:38:18am

re: #1362 Walter L. Newton

Black Activists Condemn NAACP Resolution Against Tea Party Movement

Washington, DC – As the NAACP plans to use their group’s prestige to bash the tea party movement, members of the Project 21 black leadership network are urging delegates at the NAACP’s national convention not to turn the NAACP into a pawn for progressive political bosses.

(GatewayPundit)

Touche'

Yeah, how dare they get so uppity...

1365 What, me worry?  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 8:38:22am

re: #1343 Jimmah

Ask Charles why not ignore her. Ask Charles why he deletes such comments. I think he'll probably tell you it's because it makes the site look bad and puts off the kind of reasonable posters he is trying to attract.

As for the other really horrible stuff - I wonder if you would be so Ghandi-like if it were you or someone you loved who was being called words like 'whore', 'sociopath' and 'psychopath'.

But I agree with you completely that this sort of thing really does put people off, and that is bad for the site. I have resolved not to engage with anyone who makes comments like that again. From now on I'll just be reporting them if they re-occur.

By the time it gets to the real nasty name calling, it's usually not right out of the gate. It's many posts in already. My point is to curb it before it gets there.

I've been here a long time. I chose many times to back off. I'm not a wallflower either, I'm sure you know that. You have a right to defend yourself, but if it's going to drag the place down into the gutter, it may be better to let it go. Think of the stalkers. They wallow in this shit.

People say money is the root of all evil, but they're wrong. It's alcohol :)

1366 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 8:38:34am

re: #1363 Fozzie Bear

It's time for NAACP, SPLC, etc, to get fully involved. Of course, there will be pushback to the pushback, but the open race baiting can't be allowed to continue unchallenged.

The thinly veiled white nationalist movement needs to be unveiled.

If they dig deeply and well enough they'll find that the Templars are behind it anyways.

Oops. Can you tell I've been reading _Foucault's Pendulum_ again... ;)

1367 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 8:38:36am

re: #1361 Radicchio ad Absurdum

Mel, is that you?

I'm increasingly of the belief that Mel isn't just a jerk, but in need of medical attention. Of course, I'm no doctor, I just play one on the internet.

1368 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 8:39:26am

re: #1364 JasonA

Yeah, how dare they get so uppity...

Are you calling black activist "uppity." That's not very nice.

1369 albusteve  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 8:39:44am

re: #1360 Killgore Trout

I suspect getting Michelle Obama may have been a shrewd political move to push the Tea Parties into becoming a full blown open White Rights group. They were certainly leaning that way and this may push them over the edge.

good, maybe they will drag the entire GOP party structure with them...I could give a shit...if honest conservatives disapprove of the GOP mangling their ideology, I guess they just won't vote...so be it...the Great Jading is upon us

1370 webevintage  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 8:40:16am

re: #1359 Fozzie Bear

Silly me, thinking that racism on the part of white people was increasingly an issue. Of course, it's those uppity n***s, causing trouble again.

/ x Eleventy Billion

Black Power's Gonna Get You Sucka: Right-Wing Paranoia and the Rhetoric of Modern Racism
[Link: www.dailykos.com...]

1371 It's a cookbook!  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 8:40:45am

re: #1368 Walter L. Newton

Are you calling black activist "uppity." That's not very nice.

You are just a shit-stirrer, aren't you?

1372 albusteve  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 8:42:07am

re: #1371 JasonA

You are just a shit-stirrer, aren't you?

hahaha!...good one!

1373 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 8:42:12am

re: #1371 JasonA

You are just a shit-stirrer, aren't you?

I asked you a question. We're you shit stirring by suggesting I was calling the black activist "uppity." Why don't you tell us just what you meant by the comment. Was that your interpretation of what I was saying? Clarify.

1374 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 8:44:00am

Oh Jesus Walter's trolling again.

1375 webevintage  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 8:44:08am

Oh goody, diaper wearing Vitter has gone Birther:
[Link: thinkprogress.org...]

Anything to question the legitimacy of the President...anything to paint him as "other" then us.

1376 thedopefishlives  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 8:45:42am

re: #1374 Fozzie Bear

Oh Jesus Walter's trolling again.

Who's trolling who?

1377 It's a cookbook!  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 8:46:02am

re: #1373 Walter L. Newton

I asked you a question. We're you shit stirring by suggesting I was calling the black activist "uppity." Why don't you tell us just what you meant by the comment. Was that your interpretation of what I was saying? Clarify.

Clarify? No. You're smarter than that. I was referring to the NAACP, and sarcastically so. But you knew that.

1378 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 8:46:39am

re: #1376 thedopefishlives

Who's trolling who?

It's sometimes hard to tell here.

1379 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 8:47:37am

re: #1374 Fozzie Bear

Oh Jesus Walter's trolling again.

No.. it's called contributing, sorry about that. It's an interesting little exercise, giving new negative definitions to what would otherwise be normal positive actions.

Making a comment on a blog, a comment that Fozzie doesn't like, we can call it trolling. Whooo... big bad word, scary, makes me want to run and cower.

Age old tactic, very transparent, and after a while, boring.

1380 Radicchio ad Absurdum  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 8:48:46am

re: #1379 Walter L. Newton

No.. it's called contributing, sorry about that. It's an interesting little exercise, giving new negative definitions to what would otherwise be normal positive actions.

Making a comment on a blog, a comment that Fozzie doesn't like, we can call it trolling. Whooo... big bad word, scary, makes me want to run and cower.

Age old tactic, very transparent, and after a while, boring.

And he changes your name to Jesus Walter to boot!!/

1381 albusteve  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 8:49:07am

LASHKAR GAH, Afghanistan—The U.S. has poured more than $100 million into upgrading the Kajaki hydropower plant, the biggest source of electricity in south Afghanistan. And it plans on spending much more, in an effort to woo local sympathies away from the Taliban insurgency.

Yet, one of the biggest beneficiaries of this American-taxpayer-financed project are the Taliban themselves.


Since U.S.-funded repairs of a turbine at the Kajaki plant doubled its capacity in October, nearly half of the total electrical output has flowed to districts in Helmand province where the Taliban administer the grid, Afghan officials say. In those districts, residents pay their monthly electricity bills directly to the insurgents, who use the proceeds to fund their war with American and British troops.

[Link: online.wsj.com...]

it's only a $100m so far...but what of the cost in lives?...I do not believe we can defeat the Taliban without massive intervention, hundreds of billions of dollars and twenty years of occupation...a 30k troop surge is an insult to my sensibilities

1382 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 8:49:42am

re: #1379 Walter L. Newton

When somebody takes a comment that was clearly sarcastic and interprets it literally for the cause of starting shit, that's textbook trolling.

1383 Learned Mother of Zion  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 8:49:45am

Boker tov, honcos! Ma nishma?

1384 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 8:50:02am

re: #1377 JasonA

Clarify? No. You're smarter than that. I was referring to the NAACP, and sarcastically so. But you knew that.

So, you were saying that I was saying that NAACP were "upitty." Sarcasm or not, that was inaccurate and mean. I was not referring to anyone being "uppity," was I? So, why would you sarcastically suggest I was... you "trolling?"

1385 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 8:51:07am

re: #1382 Fozzie Bear

When somebody takes a comment that was clearly sarcastic and interprets it literally for the cause of starting shit, that's textbook trolling.

I'm sorry... I actually thought the comment was referring to me calling the NAACP "uppity." Then who is calling who "uppity?"

1386 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 8:51:51am

re: #1370 webevintage

Black Power's Gonna Get You Sucka: Right-Wing Paranoia and the Rhetoric of Modern Racism
[Link: www.dailykos.com...]

Has DKos blamed Zionism for the racism again as well?

1387 It's a cookbook!  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 8:52:25am

re: #1379 Walter L. Newton

very transparent, and after a while, boring.

You should have a t-shirt with that written on it.

1388 pharmmajor  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 8:52:42am

Eric Sapp:

the Tea Party is largely made up of libertarians who are very different from the big business or Christian right groups that have dominated "conservative" politics for the last few decades. Libertarians don't want government intruding into their lives with programs or enforcing a moral code.

[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

1389 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 8:52:48am

re: #1387 JasonA

You should have a t-shirt with that written on it.

Whatever.

1390 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 8:53:12am

re: #1387 JasonA

It should say "Yawn" on the back.

1391 lawhawk  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 8:58:37am

re: #1327 kingkenrod

That's marginally good news, although volume is down, so it may not show as much strength as one would like.

CNBC reports that bear market sentiment is back, and that's despite Alcoa beating expectations. The company beat estimates by a penny a share:

The aluminum giant reported earnings from continuing operations of 13 cents a share in the second quarter, reversing a loss last year of 26 cents a share on sales.

Sales for the most recent period grew to $5.2 billion, up from $4.244 billion last year.

A group of analysts who follow Alcoa expected the company to turn in a profit of 12 cents a share on revenue of $5.048 billion.?

Note that this isn't all rosy - as the price of aluminum has dropped by about 17% due to slack demand for cars and other heavy users of the metal (that's a worrisome trend if you think the economy is rebounding on improved demand for durable goods- domestically or worldwide).

1392 webevintage  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 8:58:41am

re: #1388 pharmmajor

Eric Sapp:
the Tea Party is largely made up of libertarians who are very different from the big business or Christian right groups that have dominated "conservative" politics for the last few decades. Libertarians don't want government intruding into their lives with programs or enforcing a moral code.
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]


Wha?
Has he not been to a tea party event...these folks are just pissed off GOPers.
Those people think they are "libertarians" but they are also stanch soc cons and I don't see who you can be a libertarian if one think the gov't has any place in our bedrooms, marriages or wombs.

1393 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 8:59:36am

re: #1388 pharmmajor

Eric Sapp:

[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

I'm not sure how he comes to that conclusion. I know the two tea party groups in my area, and a third one that's trying to form, and the general rhetoric I hear from the members is pure social/fiscal conservatism all the way.

If anything, this article just proves what I have stressed over and over. The world is not made up of your little clan, your neighborhood, just they way you think a certain group of people should act or what actual flavor of their politics should be.

Where I am, you would get the liberal and conservatives easily confused in many cases, if you just came upon them in a social setting, sans any labels or group identity.

It's not as black and white as many people want to make it out to be. Black and white is the easier way to deal with differences of opinion., Safer, makes you feel good. Nuance is hard to swallow, it takes intelligence, an open mind, the ability to listen.

1394 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 9:00:20am

re: #1362 Walter L. Newton

Black Activists Condemn NAACP Resolution Against Tea Party Movement

Washington, DC – As the NAACP plans to use their group’s prestige to bash the tea party movement, members of the Project 21 black leadership network are urging delegates at the NAACP’s national convention not to turn the NAACP into a pawn for progressive political bosses.

(GatewayPundit)

Touche'

Great source there, Walter. A guy who accuses me of supporting child molesters.

And Project 21 is a ludicrous fake front group designed by the far right to provide cover for attacks on minorities and civil rights leaders.

Touché, indeed. A crap source for a crappy excuse floated by a crappy disguised front group.

1395 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 9:02:10am

re: #1362 Walter L. Newton

Black Activists Condemn NAACP Resolution Against Tea Party Movement

Washington, DC – As the NAACP plans to use their group’s prestige to bash the tea party movement, members of the Project 21 black leadership network are urging delegates at the NAACP’s national convention not to turn the NAACP into a pawn for progressive political bosses.

(GatewayPundit)

Touche'

Project 21 = Project Black Jack

Your concern is noted.

1396 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 9:02:38am

re: #1394 Charles

Great source there, Walter. A guy who accuses me of supporting child molesters.

And Project 21 is a ludicrous fake front group designed by the far right to provide cover for attacks on minorities and civil rights leaders.

Touch@eacute;, indeed. A crap source for a crappy excuse floated by a crappy disguised front group.

Killgore posted a clip from an article on that site up thread, that was my response... I am not aware of what anyone called you or didn't call you. I figured if Killgore could make a reference to that site, then there was no problem in mentioning it.

He didn't link to the article, just gave the reference source, so did I. What did I do that was any different?

1397 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 9:03:56am

re: #1394 Charles

Great source there, Walter. A guy who accuses me of supporting child molesters.

And Project 21 is a ludicrous fake front group designed by the far right to provide cover for attacks on minorities and civil rights leaders.

Touch@eacute;, indeed. A crap source for a crappy excuse floated by a crappy disguised front group.

And get me up to speed... who "who accuses me of supporting child molesters." The owner of the blog or someone at that Project 21?

1398 thedopefishlives  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 9:06:07am

re: #1397 Walter L. Newton

And get me up to speed... who "who accuses me of supporting child molesters." The owner of the blog or someone at that Project 21?

I presume that would be Gateway Pundit.

1399 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 9:08:32am

Jim Hoft Praises Insane Conspiracy Site for Picking Up His Homophobic Smears

Jim Hoft, First Things, and Libelous Accusations

Gateway Pundit (Jim Hoft) is a religious fanatic. It's not surprising that he would promote Project 21 -- that's why Project 21 exists, to give cover to hate-filled cavemen like Hoft.

1400 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 9:10:46am

re: #1399 Charles

Jim Hoft Praises Insane Conspiracy Site for Picking Up His Homophobic Smears

Jim Hoft, First Things, and Libelous Accusations

Gateway Pundit (Jim Hoft) is a religious fanatic. It's not surprising that he would promote Project 21 -- that's why Project 21 exists, to give cover to hate-filled cavemen like Hoft.

Got it. I wasn't aware of that. I've stated it over and over, I don't read any other blog or forum except a local one, and I don't pay attention to all the "cross blog" battles going on. Killgore referenced Gateway, I went over there to see the article he referenced and found that other article, so I referenced it as a rebuttal to the other article.

I wasn't trying to support anyone, not any more than Killgore wasn't supporting Gateway. So, like I said, I'm not sure what I did wrong? If there is not be NO referencing Gateway in any sort of way, then fine... I usually play by the rules if I know the rules.

1401 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 9:12:42am

Walter, I apologize for calling you a troll. It seems like trolling if you know who those people are, but if you don't, that changes things.

1402 McSpiff  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 9:14:06am

re: #1401 Fozzie Bear

Walter, I apologize for calling you a troll. It seems like trolling if you know who those people are, but if you don't, that changes things.

On the other hand, falling all over yourself to point out that you only used that source because another poster did, and you didn't even directly link to them just like how the other poster did is certainly an odd reaction.

1403 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 9:32:12am

re: #1402 McSpiff

On the other hand, falling all over yourself to point out that you only used that source because another poster did, and you didn't even directly link to them just like how the other poster did is certainly an odd reaction.

It's not an odd reaction, it's the truth. And I'm not falling all over myself. I think Charles deserved an answer, and if anything, I'm verbose. Simple as that.

1404 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 9:42:52am

Charles, i hesitate to ask this question because i'm not sure that this is the right forum, so please redirect me if appropriate.

I need a little help with last night. I have seen your warnings about petty squabbling and they are loud and clear.

I, however, was squabbling with absolutely no one, and had in fact been extremely cheerful and getting along swimmingly with everyone at the time. And so i now find myself in the uncomfortable position of (a) having no idea what i ought to be apologizing for and (b) having no idea how to not get a timeout in the future.

If the reason is obvious to you and i'm naive for missing it, then i accept the charge of naiveté. I need help with this one.

Thanks.

1405 Millicent Islam  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 10:09:28am

re: #1401 Fozzie Bear

Walter, I apologize for calling you a troll. It seems like trolling if you know who those people are, but if you don't, that changes things.

Walter entered the thread to troll, and never stopped.

1406 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 10:14:45am

re: #1404 Aceofwhat?

Last night the same people who always do this tried to start up another pissing match. I really don't have the time or patience to explain the whole thing, sorry. It's bad enough to see it once.

When I see this starting up, I'm just going to give 24-hour timeouts, before it turns another thread into shit. The people who do this often try to mask it as something innocent, and sometimes people who aren't actually participating may fall for it and get caught up, for which I apologize -- but this isn't a permanent ban. Last night, I actually removed your timeout when I reviewed the comments.

I'm absolutely finished giving warnings on this. They don't work. Stopping the problem at the source definitely does work.

1407 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 10:18:26am

re: #1406 Charles

ok, thanks, i appreciate it. i'll do everything that i can to maintain a high standard of congeniality here.

1408 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 10:20:17am

re: #1406 Charles

and i don't need background...the less i know, the better. i only wanted to make sure that whatever i did wasn't repeated, but if the long and short of it was nothing more than simply getting caught up in the debris, then no harm, no foul and no worries.

thanks again. back to our regularly scheduled programming!

1409 Millicent Islam  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 10:22:26am

re: #1402 McSpiff

On the other hand, falling all over yourself to point out that you only used that source because another poster did, and you didn't even directly link to them just like how the other poster did is certainly an odd reaction.

It's a bit odd, considering that just yesterday morning people 'happened' to be defending a sockpuppet and troll who was also promoting someone who has done some nasty stuff to Charles, yes.

1410 I Am Kreniigh!  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 12:44:48pm

If you watch Roman Polanski's life in reverse, he spends a lot of time in Europe erasing copies of his movies. Then he moves back to the US in a hurry to save a thirteen year old from a drug overdose in a hot tub by making her cough up champagne and a quaalude. Near the end of the movie, Charles Manson brings his wife back from the dead.

1411 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 7:44:34pm

re: #830 aurelius

Sometimes, one look is all you need to read someone, and to know they are a racist piece of shit.

And sometimes all you have to do is read their idiotic posts. Asshole.

t("t)


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