Judge Napolitano: Bush and Cheney Should Have Been Indicted

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Left wing sites are buzzing about Judge Andrew Napolitano’s statements on C-SPAN’s Book TV, that President Bush and VP Cheney should have been indicted for torturing, spying, and arresting people without warrants. Some bloggers seem to think this might endanger Napolitano’s job as host of “Freedom Watch” on the Fox Business channel, but if Napolitano’s connections to Alex Jones weren’t enough to disqualify him as a Fox host, why would this?

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1 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 10:59:17am

Moronic Convergence.

2 engineer cat  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 10:59:54am

some “internals” from the Washington Post-ABC News poll, July 7-11, 2010

How much confidence do you have in [ITEM] to make the right decisions for the country’s future - a great deal of confidence, a good amount, just some or none at all?
obama 43%
democrats 32%
republicans 26%

Which political party, the (Democrats) or the (Republicans), do you trust to do a better job handling the economy?
07/11/10
democrats 42%
republicans 34%
10/23/94
democrats 38%
republicans 43%

For each item I name, please tell me if that would make you more likely to (support) a candidate for Congress, more likely to (oppose) a candidate, or if it wouldn’t make much difference in your vote. Would that make you MUCH more likely to support/oppose that candidate, or SOMEWHAT more?

If a candidate for Congress supports the new health care reform law
support 39%
oppose 37%

If a candidate for Congress is associated with the political movement known as the Tea Party
support 30%
oppose 30%

If a candidate for Congress supports federal spending to try to stimulate the economy
support 39%
oppose 37%

3 Kragar  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 11:00:53am

AGENDA BREACH! TRANQ HIM!

4 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 11:02:51am

…maybe he thinks he’s gone too rightcrazy and so now he needs some leftcrazy to bring him back?

he must have failed Alchemy. the crazies don’t counteract each other; they multiply when you mix them…/

5 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 11:03:56am

Andrew and Medea, sittin’ in a tree…

6 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 11:04:36am

re: #4 Aceofwhat?

…maybe he thinks he’s gone too rightcrazy and so now he needs some leftcrazy to bring him back?

he must have failed Alchemy. the crazies don’t counteract each other; they multiply when you mix them…/

This IS rightcrazy these days. Remember that the great Alex Jones, favorite of Napolitano and Drudge, is a hard-core troofer.

7 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 11:05:21am

Welcome to Twooferville, population: Nutjobs.

8 theheat  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 11:06:14am
Some bloggers seem to think this might endanger Napolitano’s job as host of “Freedom Watch” on the Fox Business channel

Perhaps this can be filed under “unbiased” for Fox to show anti-Bush viewpoints.
//
Honestly, they’re so fucked up, it’s a waste of time to determine why they do or don’t do something. The Fox lineup is a freak show under glass.

9 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 11:06:29am

I used to listen to “Brian and the Judge” on Fox Talk Radio.

He railed against the policy then also.

10 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 11:06:33am

Will we eventually see the Chicago cops beating the hell out of tea partiers protesting “Obama’s war?” Is it ok for old hippies to cheer when they do?

11 oklahoma  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 11:08:37am

Nothing worse than celebrities who stick their finger in the wind to see what side to be on.

12 iceweasel  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 11:09:10am

Repost from Lidane’s page about this:

My guess? Napolitano pretends to want prosecutions of Bush and Cheney, because he knows that Obama and the Dems don’t, and won’t. Reason? Because the same legal justifications for prosecuting Bush and Cheney would NOW also apply to the Obama admin. They’ve effectively legitimated the Yoo memos ex post facto. They’ve continued the Bush policies in every relevant area.
If Napolitiano pretends he wants prosecutions of Bush and Cheney, the only reason would be because they’d entail prosecutions of Obama. WHILE obama is in office.
Period.
Floating a new fake reason to impeach Obama— that’s what this is about.

These were my first thoughts, haven’t read any of the commentary elsewhere yet about it; i’ll report back when i do.

13 iceweasel  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 11:10:01am

re: #8 theheat

Perhaps this can be filed under “unbiased” for Fox to show anti-Bush viewpoints.
//
Honestly, they’re so fucked up, it’s a waste of time to determine why they do or don’t do something. The Fox lineup is a freak show under glass.

This, as ever, remains my fallback position about anyone on Fox.

14 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 11:12:22am

re: #6 Shiplord Kirel

This IS rightcrazy these days. Remember that the great Alex Jones, favorite of Napolitano and Drudge, is a hard-core troofer.

right. good point. it’s hard to keep up.

15 avanti  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 11:13:57am

I posted this earlier:

The Judge is far to the right of me, but when it comes to upholding the strict wording of the constitution, we often agree.

“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.”
Ben Franklin


BTW, trying to find a video of Megyn Kelly’s latest meltdown just now on Fox news. She went nuts when asked why she was not outraged when Bush downgraded the Black Panther charges and all the complains about white on black intimidation complains too.

16 iceweasel  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 11:14:32am

BTW, shaun p has a great comment on lidane’s page:

Actually, Napolitano has been pretty consistent on the wiretapping issue. Unfortunately, I couldn’t find the actual links to the fox site, but here’s some admittedly biased analysis of somethings he said in 2006:

[Link: [Link: www.newshounds.us…]…]

Regarding torture; he wrote an entire chapter in his 2003 book Lies the Government Told You: Myth, Power, and Deception in American History
By Andrew P. Napolitano:
“…President George W. Bush used fear mongering to justify it’s torture policy and restrictions on the due process rights of persons it arrested…”

17 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 11:15:19am

Extraordinary Rendition was a travesty.

Regardless, Napolitano is looney. Prosecuting a past president is pointless, and would stir up so much shit in the political scene it would be disastrous for the country.

18 ReamWorks SKG  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 11:16:39am

Nice commentary today on Popehat about San Fransisco tyranny

[Link: www.popehat.com…]

(And now you know one reason I avoid going up there—I live about 40 minutes south—at all costs!)

19 iceweasel  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 11:18:09am

re: #6 Shiplord Kirel

This IS rightcrazy these days. Remember that the great Alex Jones, favorite of Napolitano and Drudge, is a hard-core troofer.

Yeah, I’m wondering if maybe this position is now a bonus for fox, as part of the ongoing troofer/jones/paulian wacko convergence.
(i would then continue to maintain that regardless of Napolitano’s beliefs and sincerity or lack thereof, the point of this sort of talk NOW is to delegitimise the OBAMA admin and open the door for prosecutions/impeachment there— the ODS sufferers will love it for that. )

20 iceweasel  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 11:18:45am

re: #17 Fozzie Bear

Extraordinary Rendition was a travesty.

Regardless, Napolitano is looney. Prosecuting a past president is pointless, and would stir up so much shit in the political scene it would be disastrous for the country.

Exactly, it’s never going to happen.

21 iceweasel  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 11:20:38am

re: #17 Fozzie Bear

Extraordinary Rendition was a travesty.

Even so. Obama, like Clinton, is just fine with original recipe rendition.
(snark piece, links in it though)

22 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 11:23:39am

Can somebody either link me Lidane’s page, or tell me how to search for a page.

I am ashamed to admit that I have not yet familiarized myself with all the extra features here at LGF, beyond the basic blogging function.

23 Summer Seale  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 11:24:04am

Well, if Fox doesn’t dump “the Judge” for this, then they’ll officially have moved from Extreme Right Wing Wacko to Extreme Insanity For All. They won’t be presenting “both sides” of a rational discussion; they’ll be presenting “both sides” of only the most insane and ludicrous conspiracy fanatics. Equality for all loonies; rational debate for none.

They’ve already started with Alex Jones, so I don’t see them pulling on the parachute on the present endless cliff dive.

In the end, Fox won’t only cater to extreme Conservatives; they’ll cater to anyone who just wants to shoot up the “guvmint”.

24 wrenchwench  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 11:27:52am

re: #22 Fozzie Bear

Can somebody either link me Lidane’s page, or tell me how to search for a page.

I am ashamed to admit that I have not yet familiarized myself with all the extra features here at LGF, beyond the basic blogging function.

Here ya go.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

25 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 11:28:53am

re: #22 Fozzie Bear

Can somebody either link me Lidane’s page, or tell me how to search for a page.

I am ashamed to admit that I have not yet familiarized myself with all the extra features here at LGF, beyond the basic blogging function.

Easiest way is to go to LGF Pages, then enter “Lidane” in the “Author” field and hit Return.

Each person’s collection of pages gets its own URL based on their username; for example:

littlegreenfootballs.com/pages/Lidane

26 iceweasel  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 11:30:43am

re: #22 Fozzie Bear

Can somebody either link me Lidane’s page, or tell me how to search for a page.

I am ashamed to admit that I have not yet familiarized myself with all the extra features here at LGF, beyond the basic blogging function.

Sorry, I should have done that, linked it. Multitasking.

27 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 11:34:40am

Ahh, ok. Thanks for the help!

One of these days I’ll start making pages of my own. There’s alot of obscure issues that I find compelling. I should get on that soon.

28 iceweasel  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 11:34:58am

Also, newshounds, feh. But I wasn’t aware that Napolitano had been saying this before, and it does relate to my initial kneejerk reaction that he was just being opportunistic. Makes it more likely that he’s always been one of the Jones/troofer types all along and thus fox might not have a problem with this kind of rhetoric now, since that’s their gig. Hence saying shaun p had a good comment.

29 RadicalModerate  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 11:37:12am

Erick son of Erick is blowing his dogwhistle again, this time in reference to the New Black Panthers’ non-troversy.

CNN’s Erickson: Forget about African-American voters, GOP should start running new “Willie Horton” ads

In a July 13 blog post, “King Samir Shabazz Should Be 2010’s Willie Horton,” CNN contributor and RedState.com editor-in-chief Erick Erickson wrote of the manufactured scandal over the Justice Department’s handling of the New Black Panther Party case: “Republican candidates nationwide should seize on this issue. The Democrats are giving a pass to radicals who advocate killing white kids in the name of racial justice and who try to block voters from the polls.”

And exactly how many voters were attempted to be blocked by the NBP?
Oh, that would be zero.

30 Jack Burton  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 11:39:31am

Think maybe the Tea Partiers who don’t notice the 9/11 troofers in their mix will now? I’m waiting for the mass ‘wake up’ moment when the majority of them realize they are partying with a crowd they despised 2 years ago. I will LMAO as the movement collapses like a Jenga game that’s been running for 2 years.

Maybe I’m just asking for too much.

31 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 11:40:04am

re: #30 ArchangelMichael

Think maybe the Tea Partiers who don’t notice the 9/11 troofers in their mix will now? I’m waiting for the mass ‘wake up’ moment when the majority of them realize they are partying with a crowd they despised 2 years ago. I will LMAO as the movement collapses like a Jenga game that’s been running for 2 years.

Maybe I’m just asking for too much.

Yeah, uhh, no. It’s all aboard the crazy train and full steam ahead.

32 avanti  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 11:41:06am

re: #15 avanti

BTW, trying to find a video of Megyn Kelly’s latest meltdown just now on Fox news. She went nuts when asked why she was not outraged when Bush downgraded the Black Panther charges and all the complains about white on black intimidation complains too.

Found it:

33 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 11:41:42am

re: #29 RadicalModerate

Erick son of Erick is blowing his dogwhistle again, this time in reference to the New Black Panthers’ non-troversy.

CNN’s Erickson: Forget about African-American voters, GOP should start running new “Willie Horton” ads

And exactly how many voters were attempted to be blocked by the NBP?
Oh, that would be zero.

Oh man. Has nobody ever told Erick, son of Erick that the Willie Horton ads backfired in the most amazingly huge way ever?

34 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 11:44:32am

re: #29 RadicalModerate

Erick son of Erick is blowing his dogwhistle again, this time in reference to the New Black Panthers’ non-troversy.

CNN’s Erickson: Forget about African-American voters, GOP should start running new “Willie Horton” ads


And exactly how many voters were attempted to be blocked by the NBP?
Oh, that would be zero.

If (or rather) when the Republicans dump Micael Steele, they might as well just abandon any attempts at appealing to the black electorate and go right over to appealing to the frothing racists.

35 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 11:44:54am

re: #34 ralphieboy

If (or rather) when the Republicans dump Micael Steele, they might as well just abandon any attempts at appealing to the black electorate and go right over to appealing to the frothing racists.

They’re already rapidly descending in that direction.

36 ShaunP  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 11:46:42am

re: #28 iceweasel

Also, newshounds, feh. But I wasn’t aware that Napolitano had been saying this before, and it does relate to my initial kneejerk reaction that he was just being opportunistic. Makes it more likely that he’s always been one of the Jones/troofer types all along and thus fox might not have a problem with this kind of rhetoric now, since that’s their gig. Hence saying shaun p had a good comment.

Thanks for the hat-tip! Sorry for the newshounds link; it’s the first one that I found that supported my case… :)

I definitely agree with the larger point you were making that there’s opportunity for this to start to shift the blame onto Obama’s lap. Hell, I can hear the cries already; “I was against Bush’s torture program then too!”

37 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 11:48:43am

re: #36 ShaunP

“I was against Bush’s torture program then too!”

I was for it before I was against it.

/Or something like that.

38 Political Atheist  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 11:48:45am

Judge Judy has more credibility. Will the rabid anti Bush left now suddenly decide this guy must be right? I think so, they will not have the nuance to appreciate Obamas continuation of some of these alleged crimes.

39 jamesfirecat  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 11:51:10am

re: #10 Shiplord Kirel

Will we eventually see the Chicago cops beating the hell out of tea partiers protesting “Obama’s war?” Is it ok for old hippies to cheer when they do?

Only if we create a montage out o fit and set it to the correct music, I’m thinking “For What It’s Worth” by Stephen Stills .

40 RadicalModerate  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 11:54:32am

re: #33 Fozzie Bear

Oh man. Has nobody ever told Erick, son of Erick that the Willie Horton ads backfired in the most amazingly huge way ever?

Tell that to Floyd Brown, who is still very influential in SoCon circles, and also happens to be the head of the “Citizens United” group who got so much airtime during the Kagan confirmation hearings.

Floyd Brown is the one who created the Willie Horton ad, btw.

41 kingkenrod  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 11:56:17am

re: #12 iceweasel

Repost from Lidane’s page about this:

These were my first thoughts, haven’t read any of the commentary elsewhere yet about it; i’ll report back when i do.

I think Napolitano is being genuine - he’s a hardcore libertarian. I’ve heard him say stuff like this before, on O’Reilly’s show a few years ago.

42 wrenchwench  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 11:58:11am

re: #32 avanti

Found it:


[Video]

Hahaha. “Don’t make me cut your mic.”

Ooooh, scary.

I’m glad I have no TV.

43 theheat  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 11:58:15am

re: #34 ralphieboy

I haven’t checked lately, but is the GOP web site still showing a healthy number of black Republicans on their pages (possibly the only place they exist anymore)? I found that laughable, being as Michael Steele’s balls have been passed around like musical chairs by so many race-baiting real conservatives, and nary a peep from him.

I can’t believe the racially charged bullshit Steele has let sail while his own party has grabbed the coattails of some truly despicable people/groups. It’s embarrassing.

44 darthstar  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 12:01:45pm

re: #29 RadicalModerate

Erick son of Erick is blowing his dogwhistle again, this time in reference to the New Black Panthers’ non-troversy.

CNN’s Erickson: Forget about African-American voters, GOP should start running new “Willie Horton” ads

And exactly how many voters were attempted to be blocked by the NBP?
Oh, that would be zero.

I love calling him “CNN’s Erickson”…I’m sure CNN loves being associated with bigotry.

45 garhighway  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 12:02:46pm

re: #32 avanti

Found it:

[Video]

Priceless

46 lostlakehiker  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 12:02:48pm

re: #10 Shiplord Kirel

Will we eventually see the Chicago cops beating the hell out of tea partiers protesting “Obama’s war?” Is it ok for old hippies to cheer when they do?

What took the cake was Chicago cops beating the hell out of Eugene McCarthy delegates on the convention floor as they shouted “no, no” while Humphrey’s machine was recording a “unanimous” vote in favor of some ruling in favor of Humphrey as to whose delegates should be seated.

It was enough to sour a fellow on Chicago, Chicago politics, the Democrats, Mayor Daley, Chicago cops, the works.

47 avanti  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 12:03:29pm

re: #34 ralphieboy

If (or rather) when the Republicans dump Micael Steele, they might as well just abandon any attempts at appealing to the black electorate and go right over to appealing to the frothing racists.

I think I get this now. A scary black guy with a night stick is intimidation, but dispatching state troopers to park outside minority polling places is just a way to look for convicted felons.
The fact that the scary black guy was found to be in the wrong, but received a only a injunction is a national scandal though.
Now the GOP can run ad’s about about the scary (and racist) black guy and get more white votes. Fox is fanning the flames of racism by using one black racist to reinforce scary racial stereotypes on the right.

48 garhighway  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 12:05:01pm

re: #33 Fozzie Bear

Oh man. Has nobody ever told Erick, son of Erick that the Willie Horton ads backfired in the most amazingly huge way ever?

I would respectfully disagree. I think those ads performed their intended function perfectly.

They were slimy bits of racism, but they worked.

49 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 12:05:55pm

re: #47 avanti

I think I get this now. A scary black guy with a night stick is intimidation, but dispatching state troopers to park outside minority polling places is just a way to look for convicted felons.
The fact that the scary black guy was found to be in the wrong, but received a only a injunction is a national scandal though.
Now the GOP can run ad’s about about the scary (and racist) black guy and get more white votes. Fox is fanning the flames of racism by using one black racist to reinforce scary racial stereotypes on the right.

best summary of the NPP thing yet. updinged. nicely done.

50 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 12:05:58pm

re: #48 garhighway

I would argue that they did more long term damage to the GOP than they gained it in the short term.

51 jamesfirecat  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 12:07:18pm

re: #48 garhighway

I would respectfully disagree. I think those ads performed their intended function perfectly.

They were slimy bits of racism, but they worked.

Guys there’s an objective way we can measure this.

Did the guy who ran those adds win the election?

Much as it saddens me to say that’s seems to be the only measure that really counts when it comes to campaign adds….

52 Kragar  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 12:08:08pm

Republicans obstructing just for the hell of it.

Vote on Supreme Court nominee Elena Kagan delayed one week

Committee Chair Patrick Leahy (D) of Vermont said that in his view the one-week hold was not necessary. “I think everybody’s made up their mind,” he said. But he granted the requested delay in recognition of the long-standing procedural rule.

Jeff Sessions of Alabama, the ranking Republican on the committee, asked for the hold. “I do think there are serious questions involving this nomination,” he said.

Sessions, go fuck off.

53 garhighway  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 12:08:52pm

re: #50 Fozzie Bear

I would argue that they did more long term damage to the GOP than they gained it in the short term.

In a perfect and just world that would be exactly what happens, but I don’t think that has been the electoral outcome. Those ads worked, and I can’t think of any later real-life electoral fallout. They may be looked at by pundits as textbook examples of the Lee Atwater racist playbook in action, but what election has that cost the Republican party?

54 garhighway  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 12:09:22pm

re: #51 jamesfirecat

Guys there’s an objective way we can measure this.

Did the guy who ran those adds win the election?

Much as it saddens me to say that’s seems to be the only measure that really counts when it comes to campaign adds…

Exactly.

55 iceweasel  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 12:09:43pm

re: #41 kingkenrod

I think Napolitano is being genuine - he’s a hardcore libertarian. I’ve heard him say stuff like this before, on O’Reilly’s show a few years ago.

Yeah, that seems to be the case— as shaun p pointed out, he has been saying this for years. To be honest I’m not specifically concerned personally with whether or not he believes what he’s saying or is sincere (i think he’s a nutbar anyway)— i’m just interested in the meta here and the meta narrative and why and how and who will ‘suddenly’ think this is great idea (like Fox??).

I think it’s twofold— the paulian/alex jones/troofer/fox convergence, plus the original point I made— ODS sufferers will love it insofar as they’re aware that opening the door to prosecutions of Bush/Cheney would also open the door for the Obama admin, and for essentially all the same legal reasons.
If Napolitano has been consistent in this, he’s not saying it solely to target the Obama admin. But among those who suddenly seize on this idea or start promoting it— there will undoubtedly be those who do so for that reason. Impeachment balloon.

56 lostlakehiker  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 12:10:16pm

re: #33 Fozzie Bear

Oh man. Has nobody ever told Erick, son of Erick that the Willie Horton ads backfired in the most amazingly huge way ever?

How’s that? Dukakis was governor and in charge of a system of letting convicts out on weekend passes who should never have been let out. Horton was let out. Horton went on to commit another atrocious crime. This was rightly laid at Dukakis’ door and if Dukakis hadn’t already been a hopeless loser, he was after this was brought to the attention of the public.

The ads sank his candidacy beyond any hope of repair. That’s not a backfire. They worked. And why not? By allowing such a dereliction of the state’s duty to imprison dangerous criminals who have been duly tried, convicted, and sentenced, he demonstrated that he was unfit for the office he held, and grossly unfit for the office he sought.

57 iceweasel  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 12:11:06pm

re: #38 Rightwingconspirator

Judge Judy has more credibility. Will the rabid anti Bush left now suddenly decide this guy must be right? I think so, they will not have the nuance to appreciate Obamas continuation of some of these alleged crimes.

YES, bingo.

58 Kragar  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 12:12:01pm

re: #56 lostlakehiker

How’s that? Dukakis was governor and in charge of a system of letting convicts out on weekend passes who should never have been let out. Horton was let out. Horton went on to commit another atrocious crime. This was rightly laid at Dukakis’ door and if Dukakis hadn’t already been a hopeless loser, he was after this was brought to the attention of the public.

The ads sank his candidacy beyond any hope of repair. That’s not a backfire. They worked. And why not? By allowing such a dereliction of the state’s duty to imprison dangerous criminals who have been duly tried, convicted, and sentenced, he demonstrated that he was unfit for the office he held, and grossly unfit for the office he sought.

Huckabee is in the same boat then.

59 insanity police  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 12:12:15pm

“…if Napolitano’s connections to Alex Jones weren’t enough to disqualify him as a Fox host, why would this?”

Good point Charles. I bet you’re right.

60 garhighway  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 12:13:16pm

re: #56 lostlakehiker

How’s that? Dukakis was governor and in charge of a system of letting convicts out on weekend passes who should never have been let out. Horton was let out. Horton went on to commit another atrocious crime. This was rightly laid at Dukakis’ door and if Dukakis hadn’t already been a hopeless loser, he was after this was brought to the attention of the public.

The ads sank his candidacy beyond any hope of repair. That’s not a backfire. They worked. And why not? By allowing such a dereliction of the state’s duty to imprison dangerous criminals who have been duly tried, convicted, and sentenced, he demonstrated that he was unfit for the office he held, and grossly unfit for the office he sought.

It was, of course, a coincidence that the dangerous criminal highlighted in the ad (and depicted at length) was a big scary-looking black guy. A complete coincidence.

61 reidr  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 12:16:02pm

re: #32 avanti

My god, Megyn Kelly is awful. What an opinionated, condescending snot.

62 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 12:16:35pm

Four more cops indicted in the Danziger Bridge incident, Holder to hold a press conference in a few minutes.

63 iceweasel  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 12:17:59pm

re: #59 insanity police

“…if Napolitano’s connections to Alex Jones weren’t enough to disqualify him as a Fox host, why would this?”

Good point Charles. I bet you’re right.

I truly think Fox wants the Jones/Drudge audience. This is all about that convergence KT keeps pointing out. Napolitano’s ties there are a plus for fox now and never were a negative to them.

64 avanti  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 12:19:29pm

re: #61 reidr

The smug look on her face tells you that you’ll never confuse her with facts. She’s really thinks the justice department has a policy to ignore white voter intimidation because we have a black POTUS.

65 garhighway  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 12:20:09pm

re: #64 avanti

The smug look on her face tells you that you’ll never confuse her with facts. She’s really thinks the justice department has a policy to ignore white voter intimidation because we have a black POTUS.

Don’t make me cut off your mike.

66 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 12:20:34pm

Press conference on now.

67 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 12:23:26pm

re: #58 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Huckabee is in the same boat then.

Heh, when I was reading that I thought “Dukakis is the Huckabee of Massachusetts”.

GMTA.

68 reidr  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 12:25:44pm

re: #64 avanti

The smug look on her face tells you that you’ll never confuse her with facts. She’s really thinks the justice department has a policy to ignore white voter intimidation because we have a black POTUS.

Just terrible. I don’t know who the other person was (“Fox contributor”?), but I have to give her credit for being even-handed… and patient, as a news host is yelling at and insulting her.

69 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 12:26:36pm

re: #6 Shiplord Kirel

This IS rightcrazy these days. Remember that the great Alex Jones, favorite of Napolitano and Drudge, is a hard-core troofer.

It’s all too confusing.

70 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 12:30:57pm

re: #18 reuven

Nice commentary today on Popehat about San Fransisco tyranny

[Link: www.popehat.com…]

(And now you know one reason I avoid going up there—I live about 40 minutes south—at all costs!)

I assure you that despite Chris Daly’s best efforts it is still possible to buy soda, Doritos and kittens in San Francisco, and you don’t even need to go on the black market.

71 blueraven  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 12:31:19pm

re: #56 lostlakehiker

How’s that? Dukakis was governor and in charge of a system of letting convicts out on weekend passes who should never have been let out. Horton was let out. Horton went on to commit another atrocious crime. This was rightly laid at Dukakis’ door and if Dukakis hadn’t already been a hopeless loser, he was after this was brought to the attention of the public.

The ads sank his candidacy beyond any hope of repair. That’s not a backfire. They worked. And why not? By allowing such a dereliction of the state’s duty to imprison dangerous criminals who have been duly tried, convicted, and sentenced, he demonstrated that he was unfit for the office he held, and grossly unfit for the office he sought.

So if Huckabee runs in 2012 will it be OK to run “Wille Horton Style” ads against him considering he also let a murderer off only to have him go out and murder again?

72 hawaii69  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 12:32:04pm

re: #6 Shiplord Kirel

This IS rightcrazy these days. Remember that the great Alex Jones, favorite of Napolitano and Drudge, is a hard-core troofer.


Alex Jones is an equal opportunity…..opportunist.

First, Bush was going to declare martial law, decalare himself Emperor and put us all in plastic FEMA coffins.

….and now, according to Jones, Obama has the same plan. Except that Obama will be referred to as “Dear Leader”

73 ryannon  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 12:32:27pm

re: #69 SanFranciscoZionist

Hi SFZ - I posted a link to the forum that I thought might be useful for your SIL way back on the thread where you brought up the problem. In the meantime, I posted a description myself, but have seen no response as yet. In the time since I’ve been there, it may be that things have changed to the point where no one will respond. It used to be that you could count on immediate help from numerous members, so I’m thinking that those days have past. If your SIL really needs to talk to someone, I could put her in touch with someone in Ca. who’s a very savvy and experienced amateur rehabber. She, in turn, might know someone closer to your SIL.

Just let me know what you prefer, even if it’s to let things ride for the moment.

74 Obdicut  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 12:32:32pm

re: #56 lostlakehiker

The ad was also completely and blatantly racist, though.

75 garhighway  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 12:33:57pm

re: #74 Obdicut

The ad was also completely and blatantly racist, though.

Ya think?

76 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 12:35:02pm

re: #72 hawaii69

AJ is nothing if not consistent. We’ll see if the wing-nut bloggers will continue to embrace him when the next republican wins the oval office. It is my contention that they will drop him like a hot potato.

77 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 12:35:27pm

re: #48 garhighway

I would respectfully disagree. I think those ads performed their intended function perfectly.

They were slimy bits of racism, but they worked.

And, as Jon Stewart points out, Dukakis immediately dropped Horton as his running mate.

78 alexknyc  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 12:40:49pm

re: #71 blueraven

So if Huckabee runs in 2012 will it be OK to run “Wille Horton Style” ads against him considering he also let a murderer off only to have him go out and murder again?

Yes.

79 RadicalModerate  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 12:42:44pm

re: #56 lostlakehiker

Read up on Floyd Brown, the Horton ad’s creator. He’s a race-baiter of the worst kind.

Salon did a writeup during the 2008 Presidential campaign documenting some of this:

Will McCain denounce Floyd Brown?

Soon Brown found a new cause in the destruction of the Clintons — and a new mentor in the person of Jim Johnson, the Arkansas segregationist whose hatred for the progressive young Southern governor dated back to the ’60s. Known as “Justice Jim” because he had served on the highest court in the state, Johnson earned permanent status as a symbol of unreconciled racism for his role in the 1957 desegregation crisis at Little Rock Central High School, where “patriots” like him brought worldwide shame to the United States. For years he sought to intimidate blacks and liberal whites in Arkansas as the leader of the White Citizens Council, a country club version of the Ku Klux Klan, whose official newsletter unashamedly referred to “n*****s” and threatened violence against integration. He tacitly accepted the endorsement of the KKK’s “grand dragon” when he ran for governor in 1966.

“You make me ashamed to be from Arkansas,” said Bill Clinton when they met for the first time in 1968. Years later, Johnson made it clear that the feeling was mutual.

To seek out someone like Johnson to plot against Bill and Hillary Clinton revealed a profound flaw in Brown’s character. When Brown’s Presidential Victory Committee published “Slick Willie,” a vicious “biography” of Clinton that accused him, among other sins, of coddling Arkansas blacks, promoting witchcraft and fostering blasphemy, the acknowledgments included a “special thanks” to the aging segregationist.

80 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 12:44:01pm

re: #73 ryannon

Hi SFZ - I posted a link to the forum that I thought might be useful for your SIL way back on the thread where you brought up the problem. In the meantime, I posted a description myself, but have seen no response as yet. In the time since I’ve been there, it may be that things have changed to the point where no one will respond. It used to be that you could count on immediate help from numerous members, so I’m thinking that those days have past. If your SIL really needs to talk to someone, I could put her in touch with someone in Ca. who’s a very savvy and experienced amateur rehabber. She, in turn, might know someone closer to your SIL.

Just let me know what you prefer, even if it’s to let things ride for the moment.

Many thanks.
Man

81 ryannon  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 12:46:43pm

re: #80 SanFranciscoZionist


Man

Are you threatening me?

82 Macha  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 12:51:43pm

re: #23 Summer

Well, if Fox doesn’t dump “the Judge” for this, then they’ll officially have moved from Extreme Right Wing Wacko to Extreme Insanity For All. They won’t be presenting “both sides” of a rational discussion; they’ll be presenting “both sides” of only the most insane and ludicrous conspiracy fanatics. Equality for all loonies; rational debate for none.

They’ve already started with Alex Jones, so I don’t see them pulling on the parachute on the present endless cliff dive.

In the end, Fox won’t only cater to extreme Conservatives; they’ll cater to anyone who just wants to shoot up the “guvmint”.

Fox is going to cater to whoever brings in the most audience/dough. And the majority of people watch what they want to hear. Looking at both sides of an issue simply isn’t in their frame of reference. Nor is rational. Hearing the claptrap they hear on Fox, because it is said on a “news” channel vindicates their POV and makes them feel “right” about things. Logic and reality aren’t a consideration. Fox is going to the bank with that.

83 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 12:59:47pm

re: #71 blueraven

So if Huckabee runs in 2012 will it be OK to run “Wille Horton Style” ads against him considering he also let a murderer off only to have him go out and murder again?

Do you think for a moment that the Dems would refrain?

84 webevintage  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:00:32pm

re: #52 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Sessions, go fuck off.

I use my Foghorn Leghorn voice when ever repeating what Sessions says:
“I say, I say there boy I do, I say I DO, think there are serious questions involving this nomination.”

The voice also works whenever Haley Barbour is talking on the TV too…

85 jamesfirecat  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:04:08pm

re: #83 Spare O’Lake

Do you think for a moment that the Dems would refrain?

Dems preform an action which would obviously have political benefits for them? I’ll give you to 3 to 2 odds against….

86 RogueOne  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:14:10pm

re: #16 iceweasel

BTW, shaun p has a great comment on lidane’s page:

Napolitano was fairly popular with the left during the Bush years but now that he’s turned his sites on a dem president….not so much. I’m not worried, he’ll be popular again when the repubs take over in November.//

87 RogueOne  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:16:23pm

re: #28 iceweasel

Also, newshounds, feh. But I wasn’t aware that Napolitano had been saying this before, and it does relate to my initial kneejerk reaction that he was just being opportunistic. Makes it more likely that he’s always been one of the Jones/troofer types all along and thus fox might not have a problem with this kind of rhetoric now, since that’s their gig. Hence saying shaun p had a good comment.

Not so much a truther but definitely a stickler when it comes to the constitution. I disagree with the judges views on foreign policy and the use of the military but he’s been pounding these same issues for a decade. If nothing else he’s been consistent.

88 RogueOne  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:20:25pm

re: #62 goddamnedfrank

Four more cops indicted in the Danziger Bridge incident, Holder to hold a press conference in a few minutes.

Hmm, maybe they should have taken some form of oath…one that mentions not depriving american citizens of their constitutional rights or promised not to obey orders they know are a violation of those rights. I’ve read something about that somewhere…..

89 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 10:27:31am

re: #81 ryannon

Are you threatening me?

Eh?


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