North Iowa Tea Party Billboard: Obama, Hitler, and Lenin

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Tea Party organizers are really seething over the NAACP’s resolution condemning tea party racism: NAACP Resolution Condemning Alleged Tea Party Racism Sparks Attacks. And the right wing blogs are in high dudgeon, screaming that they’re being falsely accused and denying there’s ever been a single extremist or racist at any tea party event ever.

Meanwhile, the North Iowa Tea Party group made the news today, for putting up this billboard:

Oops! Poor timing!

Shelby Blakely, a spokeswoman for the national Tea Party Patriots, says the sign isn’t appropriate. She says her group opposes any comparisons of Obama to Hitler or Lenin.

Nudge nudge, wink wink.

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264 comments
1 jamesfirecat  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:01:18pm

Well if that things sticks around it is sure to make the 2012 primaries more interesting!

2 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:02:08pm

TEA PARTY!

Just like that.

3 alexknyc  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:04:56pm

In a sane world, I'd have seen that in The Onion.

4 Kragar  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:05:52pm

And when we say there is no racism in the Tea Party, we mean there is some.

/Monty Python mode

5 Kragar  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:07:24pm

It just occured to me, looking at all three pictures set up like that, what Obama is missing.

Facial hair. He needs to have a kicking beard or moustache if you really want to see him hanging with the big boys like that.

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6 filetandrelease  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:08:09pm

Reminiscent of moveon.org 2004 or so with their on-line adds comparing Bush to Hitler. Despicable then, despicable now.

7 jamesfirecat  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:08:19pm

re: #4 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

And when we say there is no racism in the Tea Party, we mean there is some.

/Monty Python mode

Ehh this barely even pings the racist meter to me personally.

The irony meter on the other hand about tea partiers talking about how radical groups take advantage of ignorant people's sense of fear... well I think the needle just broke of.

8 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:08:30pm

re: #2 Slumbering Behemoth

TEA PARTY!

Just like that.

Oooh, 'liberty is brewing'. That's actually a good slogan, why don't more of them use it?

9 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:08:31pm

Considering the origins of this modern Tea Party movement, I am not in the least bit surprised that they are embracing conspiracy mongers and Paulians. That stuff is at the roots of the modern TP movement.

10 filetandrelease  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:09:23pm

Modern TP movement, lol, sorry that is just funny.

11 freetoken  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:10:54pm

re: #6 filetandrelease

Reminiscent of moveon.org 2004 or so with their on-line adds comparing Bush to Hitler. Despicable then, despicable now.

The Tea Partiers on the whole are not a very bright or creative bunch - that their works are derivatives of previous nuts' screeds is no surprise.

12 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:11:01pm

re: #7 jamesfirecat

Ehh this barely even pings the racist meter to me personally.

The irony meter on the other hand about tea partiers talking about how radical groups take advantage of ignorant people's sense of fear... well I think the needle just broke of.

Yeah, I don't think this is racist, just very, very stupid. And offensive. Stupid and offensive. And tone deaf? Yes, stupid, offensive and tone-deaf.

13 Kragar  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:11:27pm

re: #7 jamesfirecat

Ehh this barely even pings the racist meter to me personally.

The irony meter on the other hand about tea partiers talking about how radical groups take advantage of ignorant people's sense of fear... well I think the needle just broke of.

I'm refering more to the Tea Party mindset as a whole, not this specific incident as much.

14 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:11:42pm

re: #8 SanFranciscoZionist

Oooh, 'liberty is brewing'. That's actually a good slogan, why don't more of them use it?

Unfortunately in this case, it is brewing in a fetid swamp of fear mongering and conspiracy theories.

15 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:13:20pm

re: #14 Slumbering Behemoth

Unfortunately in this case, it is brewing in a fetid swamp of fear mongering and conspiracy theories.

Well, true, but still...

BTW, I can't help but think how horrified both Hitler and Lenin would be by the company they're in on that sign. Think Satan is giggling, and putting it up on the Infernal Jumbotron?

16 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:13:29pm

re: #10 filetandrelease

Modern TP movement, lol, sorry that is just funny.

It suits them, as their rhetoric is good for little else than cleaning one's backside.

17 Kragar  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:13:32pm

re: #12 SanFranciscoZionist

Yeah, I don't think this is racist, just very, very stupid. And offensive. Stupid and offensive. And tone deaf? Yes, stupid, offensive and tone-deaf.

But their chief weapons are stupidity, offensiveness and tone deafness!

And fanatical devotion to ...something or other.

18 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:14:15pm

re: #12 SanFranciscoZionist

Yeah, I don't think this is racist, just very, very stupid. And offensive. Stupid and offensive. And tone deaf? Yes, stupid, offensive and tone-deaf.

Stupid, offensive, tone deaf, and full of unintentional irony.

19 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:14:27pm

re: #17 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

But their chief weapons are stupidity, offensiveness and tone deafness!

And fanatical devotion to ...something or other.

Fanatical devotion to what they think the Constitution should say.

20 jamesfirecat  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:14:37pm

re: #15 SanFranciscoZionist

Well, true, but still...

BTW, I can't help but think how horrified both Hitler and Lenin would be by the company they're in on that sign. Think Satan is giggling, and putting it up on the Infernal Jumbotron?

You demean Hitler when you bring this kind of thing up, because do you know who was like Hitler? HITLER! He had to work, very, very, very hard to be that evil!

(A Daily Show Sketch as best I can remember)

21 Unions = Innovation slash slash  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:15:20pm

Godwin Nazis!!!!

Godwin Nazis is copyright rwdflynavy 2010
All Rights Reserved and stuff

22 filetandrelease  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:15:39pm

re: #11 freetoken

The Tea Partiers on the whole are not a very bright or creative bunch - that their works are derivatives of previous nuts' screeds is no surprise.

That is contrary to a study on the TP'ers regarding educational levels that was released a few months back. It was discussed here I beleive.

23 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:15:47pm

This eclectic demonological imagery will appeal to lunatics across the spectrum. Obama-haters from far left to far right will find affirmation here.
Isn't it wonderful that we are finally achieving some kind of unity in this country?
/

24 RadicalModerate  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:16:05pm

The mainstreaming of the far right is getting to be more and more worrisome to me. Its getting to the point of where I'm no longer worried if one of these so-called "patriots" is going to take it upon himself to "vote from the rooftop" toward a high-ranking political official.

I'm now worried *when* it's going to happen.

25 webevintage  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:17:44pm

Like I said...disgusting, repulsive and should be offensive to all Americans no matter what you think about Obama.

(and yes, I would feel the same way if the billboard was about Bush)

26 Kragar  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:17:56pm

re: #20 jamesfirecat

You demean Hitler when you bring this kind of thing up, because do you know who was like Hitler? HITLER! He had to work, very, very, very hard to be that evil!

(A Daily Show Sketch as best I can remember)

Next thing you know, they'll be attacking all sort of Hitler related products in a backlash.

27 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:18:14pm

Heh. "RADICAL LEADERS PREY ON THE FEARFUL & NAIVE! Oh, and by the way, have you read my screed on Obama's Death Panels? Here, let me show you it".

Irony Detector - :POP!:

28 Lidane  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:18:17pm

*sigh*

Every time I see things like this I want to grab the largest, densest history book nearby and whack people upside the head with it. Hard. Communists and Nazis are not interchangeable. Just because they both used the word "socialism" doesn't mean anything.

It's not a racist sign. It's just ignorant and reactionary, just like the Tea Party folks.

29 filetandrelease  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:18:32pm

re: #24 RadicalModerate

The mainstreaming of the far right is getting to be more and more worrisome to me. Its getting to the point of where I'm no longer worried if one of these so-called "patriots" is going to take it upon himself to "vote from the rooftop" toward a high-ranking political official.

I'm now worried *when* it's going to happen.

Are you as concerned about some of these radical far lefties making the news lately?

30 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:19:04pm

This particular sign isn't explicitly racist -- that wasn't my point.

But it's an interesting question whether a white Democratic President would have the same intensity of hatred directed at him. Bill Clinton got a lot of hatred, but it was nowhere near this prevalent and mainstream.

31 jamesfirecat  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:19:08pm

re: #29 filetandrelease

Are you as concerned about some of these radical far lefties making the news lately?

Like who?

32 webevintage  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:19:22pm

re: #24 RadicalModerate

The mainstreaming of the far right is getting to be more and more worrisome to me. Its getting to the point of where I'm no longer worried if one of these so-called "patriots" is going to take it upon himself to "vote from the rooftop" toward a high-ranking political official.

If it happens FOX will find a way to blame it on the Black Panthers and Eric Holder....

33 Obdicut  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:19:25pm

re: #29 filetandrelease

Are you as concerned about some of these radical far lefties making the news lately?

Um, like who?

34 Gus  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:19:32pm

Tu quoque. It's what's for lunch!

/

35 SpaceJesus  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:19:59pm

are they really trying to make change a bad word or something

36 filetandrelease  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:20:23pm

re: #31 jamesfirecat

Like who?


Please refer to previous post by Charles.

37 Gus  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:20:24pm

The man behind the North Iowa Tea Party website: Michael Fiala.

38 RadicalModerate  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:21:05pm

re: #29 filetandrelease

Are you as concerned about some of these radical far lefties making the news lately?

How many of these "radical far lefties" you're referring to have been talking about "watering the tree of liberty", and openly advocating violent revolution?

39 Lidane  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:21:30pm

re: #30 Charles

Bill Clinton got a lot of hatred, but it was nowhere near this prevalent and mainstream.

True. For all the hate and the conspiracies that Clinton faced when in office, he got off easy compared to the lunacy surrounding Obama.

It's amazing how much the election of the first minority president has unhinged certain elements of the far right. I mean, I expected some crazy to come out of it, but nothing prepared me for how loony these people have gotten since Obama was elected.

40 jamesfirecat  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:22:36pm

re: #36 filetandrelease

Please refer to previous post by Charles.

I don't think Erik son of Erik is on the left and I don't think Willie Horton is going to be impacting any elections any time soon.

Do you mean the debunked meme that Obama has been taking it easy on the Black Panther party that kept people from voting in 2008?


///Because if so yes, I am very concerned that black people will stand around near my polling place, it might force me to run home and cast an absantee ballot....

41 freetoken  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:22:38pm

Angle goes Palin/Bachmann:

Sharron Angle On Her Campaign: 'God Has Been In This From The Beginning'

Over the weekend, Angle participated in an interview with Ralph Reed, the longtime conservative activist, founder of the Christian Coalition, and the man once deemed the "right hand of god" by Time Magazine. And in the course of answering a question about her rise from relative obscurity, the Nevada Republican made a rather bold declaration. Her path to victory, she said, was God's plan.

[...]

"I believe that God has been in this from the beginning and because of that when he has a plan and a purpose for your life and you fit into that, what he calls you to he always equipped you for," Angle replied.

Speaking of the "momma grizzly"... she said a few hours ago:

Watch FOX's Megyn Kelly on Black Panther voter intimidation case;she knows the case;she's speaking truth;her revelations leave Left steaming

Ok, perhaps I should have posted this downstairs as Palin is clearly enthralled with the Horton-reminiscent tactics so hot now in the right-o-sphere.

But heh, with God on their side, Angle and Palin have to win, no?

42 Kragar  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:22:46pm

re: #37 Gus 802

The man behind the North Iowa Tea Party website: Michael Fiala.

Lots of vowels in that there last name, sounds foreign, dont think I can trust it.

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43 RogueOne  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:23:52pm

re: #30 Charles

This particular sign isn't explicitly racist -- that wasn't my point.

But it's an interesting question whether a white Democratic President would have the same intensity of hatred directed at him. Bill Clinton got a lot of hatred, but it was nowhere near this prevalent and mainstream.

I would disagree. He was accused of everything from smuggling drugs to murder. I was active duty when DADT went through and I can tell you there were some pretty vicious things said about the man, behind closed doors of course.

44 Kragar  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:23:57pm

re: #41 freetoken

Angle goes Palin/Bachmann:

Sharron Angle On Her Campaign: 'God Has Been In This From The Beginning'


Ok, perhaps I should have posted this downstairs as Palin is clearly enthralled with the Horton-reminiscent tactics so hot now in the right-o-sphere.

But heh, with God on their side, Angle and Palin have to win, no?

Whenever people keep talking about "God's Plan", it makes me think they don't have a fucking idea of their own rattling around in that empty head of theirs.

45 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:24:33pm

Perfect Tea Party example of a...

RADICAL LEADER PREYING ON THE FEARFUL & NAIVE

46 RadicalModerate  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:24:35pm

re: #30 Charles

This particular sign isn't explicitly racist -- that wasn't my point.

It's an interesting question whether a white Democratic President would have the same intensity of hatred directed at him. Bill Clinton got a lot of hatred, but it was nowhere near this prevalent and mainstream.

Yeah, but the problem is that the same people who were on the fringe with the Clinton hatred are now being championed into the mainstream - ie. Floyd Brown.

47 Buck  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:24:42pm

re: #6 filetandrelease

Reminiscent of moveon.org 2004 or so with their on-line adds comparing Bush to Hitler. Despicable then, despicable now.

But it isn't racist.

You are right, for 8 years the left compared Bush to Hitler. I never saw any leader of the democratic party utter the "opposes any comparisons to Hitler".

This is why there is more of this today. For 8 years it was OK (not on this site of course), but on KOS, Liberal Talk Radio (RIP) and Huff.

Even today, ALMOST every day, you can see the Israel = Nazi on Kos and Huff.

48 Kragar  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:24:58pm

Also, its apparent God's plan is to have Harry Reid re-elected.

49 filetandrelease  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:25:06pm

re: #38 RadicalModerate

How many of these "radical far lefties" you're referring to have been talking about "watering the tree of liberty", and openly advocating violent revolution?

I don't know how much of a fringe group the new Panther movement is, but the rhetoric they are spewing is far more inflamatory then anything I have heard from the far right.

50 Obdicut  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:25:07pm

re: #30 Charles

Expanding on what I said in the previous thread:

I think there's a lot of white people who have convinced themselves that blacks want revenge for centuries of mistreatment, and that Obama is going to be the one to effect that. I think it ties back into the Birchers belief that racial equality was and is a Communist plot.

The fear of some segments of white society that blacks want to perpetrate revenge and the fear of some segments of society that the lower classes want to revenge themselves on the monied classes kind of go hand-in-hand, especially in a country where being black is closely correlated with poverty. So the Bircher twinning of fear of blacks and fear of communists/socialists, the Beckian warnings about social justice and Limbaugh's race-baiting, are all part and parcel of the same ugly, stinking package.

"Class warfare" is often a phrase that's directed derisively at those seeking higher taxes on the wealthy, but I think the starkest and most obvious class warfare is that perpetrated by those spreading the fear of socialism/communism; it's the fear of poor people, and the fear of black people.

51 webevintage  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:25:21pm

re: #36 filetandrelease

Please refer to previous post by Charles.

Seriously?
Was it Black Panthers who killed those 2 police officers in Memphis?

52 The Curmudgeon  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:25:29pm

re: #30 Charles

This particular sign isn't explicitly racist -- that wasn't my point.

But it's an interesting question whether a white Democratic President would have the same intensity of hatred directed at him. Bill Clinton got a lot of hatred, but it was nowhere near this prevalent and mainstream.

It was pretty much like that when Bush the Younger was president. But the press didn't run around saying "Oh dear, how horrible this criticism is!"

53 Gus  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:25:53pm

re: #47 Buck

But it isn't racist.

You are right, for 8 years the left compared Bush to Hitler. I never saw any leader of the democratic party utter the "opposes any comparisons to Hitler".

This is why there is more of this today. For 8 years it was OK (not on this site of course), but on KOS, Liberal Talk Radio (RIP) and Huff.

Even today, ALMOST every day, you can see the Israel = Nazi on Kos and Huff.

It's teh Libruls fault!!11

/

54 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:25:58pm

re: #33 Obdicut

Um, like who?

I think Code Pink had their iconic tank modernized. It has real tracks and a rotating plastic turret now.
The most recent Boobs not Bombs rally was an abysmal failure, a real drag. Everyone was really drooping with ennui and depression.
That Marin County womens' peace group was going to stage another naked beach protest, but one of them was harpooned by a passing Japanese ship and they had to call it off.
Other than that, I haven't heard much from lefties recently.

55 jamesfirecat  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:27:10pm

re: #49 filetandrelease

I don't know how much of a fringe group the new Panther movement is, but the rhetoric they are spewing is far more inflamatory then anything I have heard from the far right.

So what have the Black Panthers said that is more inflamatory than the "gather your armies" add?

56 filetandrelease  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:27:24pm

re: #40 jamesfirecat

I don't think Erik son of Erik is on the left and I don't think Willie Horton is going to be impacting any elections any time soon.

Do you mean the debunked meme that Obama has been taking it easy on the Black Panther party that kept people from voting in 2008?


///Because if so yes, I am very concerned that black people will stand around near my polling place, it might force me to run home and cast an absantee ballot...


No, I mean the actual rhetoric spewed by the Black Panthers. You know, killing cops and white people. Is that of no concern?

57 McSpiff  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:27:55pm

re: #49 filetandrelease

I don't know how much of a fringe group the new Panther movement is, but the rhetoric they are spewing is far more inflamatory then anything I have heard from the far right.

Can you even offer any quotes or are you just trumpeting talking points

58 Obdicut  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:28:41pm

re: #56 filetandrelease

How many members of the New Black Panther Party are there, please?

59 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:28:55pm

re: #54 Shiplord Kirel

Get some ointment for that post, 'cuz it is full of BURN!

60 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:28:59pm

re: #29 filetandrelease

Are you as concerned about some of these radical far lefties making the news lately?

Who would you say is out there now who seems to pose a realistic threat of violence? The anarchist/Black Block moron children are always a problem, but they appear to be limited to trashing Starbucks--not good, but I don't see them progressing beyond property damage or trying to slug a cop.

61 RadicalModerate  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:28:59pm

re: #49 filetandrelease

I don't know how much of a fringe group the new Panther movement is, but the rhetoric they are spewing is far more inflamatory then anything I have heard from the far right.

Good grief. Have you even read any of the stories documenting the violent rhetoric from the right on LGF for the past year?

62 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:29:33pm

re: #30 Charles

This particular sign isn't explicitly racist -- that wasn't my point.

But it's an interesting question whether a white Democratic President would have the same intensity of hatred directed at him. Bill Clinton got a lot of hatred, but it was nowhere near this prevalent and mainstream.

I don't know...people HATED Clinton. I think that we might have seen a greater level of craziness if the Internet had been as far along as it is now.

63 McSpiff  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:30:02pm

Also I'd like video from at least half a dozen black panther rallies. And their TV ads. Maybe newspaper op-ed pieces if you have the time. Hell, throw in links to a couple dozen blogs and "news sites" with 1000+ readers too. Because I can do all that and more for the Tea Baggers.

64 jamesfirecat  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:30:08pm

re: #56 filetandrelease

No, I mean the actual rhetoric spewed by the Black Panthers. You know, killing cops and white people. Is that of no concern?

It's of no concern to me at the moment, because what power do they have to make that agenda take place? I'm not afraid of them and thanks to my habit of never going outdoors I'm white enough to almost be transparent.

I am much more afraid of "its not time to retreat, it's time to reload!" This is the woman who could have been our vice/actual president and is currently one of the major movers and shakers of one of our political parties....

65 webevintage  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:31:01pm

Like I said below.....The amazing thing about all of this is that EE and FOXNews have given a new legitimacy to the BP.
Hell, I thought they had gone away with disco and bell bottom pants.
And all this publicity just gives Shabbaz more of an opportunity to spew his crap all over the place. I'm not sure why the white man should be more afraid of the BP then say those guys who killed the 2 police officers in Memphis last month.

66 Lidane  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:31:07pm

re: #43 RogueOne

I would disagree. He was accused of everything from smuggling drugs to murder. I was active duty when DADT went through and I can tell you there were some pretty vicious things said about the man, behind closed doors of course.

No one ever accused Clinton of being a foreign usurper who illegally occupies the White House. They also never accused him of being a terrorist sympathizer, a Manchurian candidate-style Al Qaeda plant, or suggested that he celebrated the 9/11 attacks.

Yes, Clinton got a lot of hate, and was accused of everything you mentioned and more. But let's be honest here, Obama's getting a lot more of it than Clinton ever did, and a big part of that is due to his name and his skin color. Some people just lost their damned minds when a black man became President.

67 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:31:37pm

re: #36 filetandrelease

Please refer to previous post by Charles.

The NBP? Doubt they'll turn to political assassination, and they don't seem to have the 'whip up the independent actor' thing going on. What's your concern with them?

68 Buck  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:32:10pm

re: #40 jamesfirecat


Do you mean the debunked meme that Obama has been taking it easy on the Black Panther party that kept people from voting in 2008?

It is not debunked....That is NOT the charge.

It is not debunked that voter intimidation took place. It is not debunked that the Justice dept decided to purposely reduce the penalty for one of the Black Panthers, so that it was less than a slap on the wrist. It is not debunked the accusation (under oath) that Loretta King told the lawyers of Justice to not prosecute voter intimidation cases where the defendant is black.

69 McSpiff  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:32:15pm

re: #66 Lidane

No one ever accused Clinton of being a foreign usurper who illegally occupies the White House. They also never accused him of being a terrorist sympathizer, a Manchurian candidate-style Al Qaeda plant, or suggested that he celebrated the 9/11 attacks.

Yes, Clinton got a lot of hate, and was accused of everything you mentioned and more. But let's be honest here, Obama's getting a lot more of it than Clinton ever did, and a big part of that is due to his name and his skin color. Some people just lost their damned minds when a black man became President.

I've never heard anyone suggest Obama has had people murdered. A poster here told me Clinton had numerous people killed. This was this year too

70 Boondock St. Bender  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:32:18pm

sigh,...the old hitler stalin/lenin comparison,,,the last refuge of the desparate,and brain dead....like we used to say a few years ago,if these pricks even had a taste of what those regimes were like,they would not be so quick to use them as comparisons to our duly elected president...

71 webevintage  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:32:28pm

re: #66 Lidane


Yes, Clinton got a lot of hate, and was accused of everything you mentioned and more. But let's be honest here, Obama's getting a lot more of it than Clinton ever did, and a big part of that is due to his name and his skin color. Some people just lost their damned minds when a black man became President.

Yep.
But you can't point that out. If you do you have played the *gasp* "race card".

72 McSpiff  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:33:30pm

re: #68 Buck

It is not debunked...That is NOT the charge.

It is not debunked that voter intimidation took place. It is not debunked that the Justice dept decided to purposely reduce the penalty for one of the Black Panthers, so that it was less than a slap on the wrist. It is not debunked the accusation (under oath) that Loretta King told the lawyers of Justice to not prosecute voter intimidation cases where the defendant is black.

Because you say so or? Because right now, I'm gonna need to see some "Debunking" that you aren't a walking talking points machine.

73 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:33:36pm

re: #40 jamesfirecat

I don't think Erik son of Erik is on the left and I don't think Willie Horton is going to be impacting any elections any time soon.

Do you mean the debunked meme that Obama has been taking it easy on the Black Panther party that kept people from voting in 2008?

///Because if so yes, I am very concerned that black people will stand around near my polling place, it might force me to run home and cast an absantee ballot...

Hell, last time I voted, there were black people IN my polling place! This black woman was right behind the counter, and she ASKED MY NAME AND ADDRESS, AND WHAT PARTY I VOTED!!!!

She was scary as hell! Then she gave me a sticker!!

74 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:33:38pm

re: #58 Obdicut

How many members of the New Black Panther Party are there, please?

Eleventy one.

75 webevintage  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:33:43pm

re: #69 McSpiff

I've never heard anyone suggest Obama has had people murdered. A poster here told me Clinton had numerous people killed. This was this year too

give it time....

76 Boondock St. Bender  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:33:57pm

gotta say i love the TP label for the "tea party"stuff

77 Buck  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:34:15pm

re: #66 Lidane

No one ever accused Clinton of being a foreign usurper who illegally occupies the White House. They also never accused him of being a terrorist sympathizer, a Manchurian candidate-style Al Qaeda plant, or suggested that he celebrated the 9/11 attacks.

Yes, Clinton got a lot of hate, and was accused of everything you mentioned and more. But let's be honest here, Obama's getting a lot more of it than Clinton ever did, and a big part of that is due to his name and his skin color. Some people just lost their damned minds when a black man became President.

Ya it was different... not EXACTLY the same. That doesn't make it less, or more.

78 jamesfirecat  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:34:44pm

re: #68 Buck

It is not debunked...That is NOT the charge.

It is not debunked that voter intimidation took place. It is not debunked that the Justice dept decided to purposely reduce the penalty for one of the Black Panthers, so that it was less than a slap on the wrist. It is not debunked the accusation (under oath) that Loretta King told the lawyers of Justice to not prosecute voter intimidation cases where the defendant is black.

Nobody was stopped from voting so really that only qualifies in my book as "attempted voter intimidation" secondly it was under Bush that all of the stuff you talked about took place.

Also what the f*** do you want done about it right now exactly?

Double Jeopardy can suck at times, but there you have it....

79 Slap  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:34:57pm

re: #52 The Curmudgeon

Was this horror sponsored and supported by a political party? By groups of disgruntled ex-militaries? By groups whose history of vicious racism and intolerance have earned them (sadly short-lived) bans from polite society?

No. The radical "left" has no cohesive center, and their fringe elements are usually clearly fringe -- something the average person seems to have no trouble identifying.

I'm no defender of this shit from anybody. But it's easy for me to dismiss a small beast isolated in its pen, and to see it as HUGELY different than an organized stampede.

In terms of impact and influence, there's no equivalence..

80 jamesfirecat  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:35:39pm

re: #69 McSpiff

I've never heard anyone suggest Obama has had people murdered. A poster here told me Clinton had numerous people killed. This was this year too

Well people have suggested Obama was behind the oil rig explosion and the oil rig explosion killed some of the people on board so that sort of counts in crazyland, right?

81 Buck  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:36:01pm

re: #72 McSpiff

Because you say so or? Because right now, I'm gonna need to see some "Debunking" that you aren't a walking talking points machine.

Because the testimony is out there, and NOT debunked...

The investigation should take place.

You can call me names, and attack me personally. It wont help your argument, but it will make you feel better.

82 What, me worry?  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:36:19pm

re: #6 filetandrelease

Reminiscent of moveon.org 2004 or so with their on-line adds comparing Bush to Hitler. Despicable then, despicable now.

Ever on a billboard? I don't recall that.

At ant-war rallies, yes, but you'd have to go to the rally to see it, or maybe you'd get a glimpse on a website. I think out in the open like this, on a billboard is a whole lot worse.

83 McSpiff  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:36:24pm

re: #77 Buck

Ya it was different... not EXACTLY the same. That doesn't make it less, or more.

Yawn. Lame Et Tu is lame. Everything is equal, the right cannot be worse than the left. Boring.

84 Lidane  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:36:28pm

re: #69 McSpiff

I've never heard anyone suggest Obama has had people murdered. A poster here told me Clinton had numerous people killed. This was this year too

They must have seen The Clinton Chronicles, which suggested that he had people systematically killed.

As for Obama, he was practically accused of murdering his grandmother right before the election. And there were accusations that he was somehow involved in the murder of the former choir director at Trinity Church. Just do a Google search starting with the phrase "Obama murdered" and they both pop up.

85 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:37:03pm

re: #76 Boondock St. Bender

gotta say i love the TP label for the "tea party"stuff

"TP"? That's some sort of disgusting, homosexual activity isn't it?
/

86 Boondock St. Bender  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:38:01pm

re: #85 Slumbering Behemoth

it's what you wipe your butt with lol

87 McSpiff  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:38:32pm

re: #81 Buck

Because the testimony is out there, and NOT debunked...

The investigation should take place.

You can call me names, and attack me personally. It wont help your argument, but it will make you feel better.

Your argument so far has consisted of "The truth is out there!! Its being suppressed by the FBI and the DoJ and the Black Panthers man!"

Why should I take your paranoid rantings any more serious than the man screaming on the corner?

88 McSpiff  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:38:50pm

re: #84 Lidane

They must have seen The Clinton Chronicles, which suggested that he had people systematically killed.

As for Obama, he was practically accused of murdering his grandmother right before the election. And there were accusations that he was somehow involved in the murder of the former choir director at Trinity Church. Just do a Google search starting with the phrase "Obama murdered" and they both pop up.

Shoot, forgot about those. You're right.

89 Boondock St. Bender  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:39:24pm

george steinbrenner died today...
rest in peace george,you gave us one hell of a ride.

90 webevintage  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:39:31pm

re: #68 Buck

It is not debunked...That is NOT the charge.

It is not debunked that voter intimidation took place. It is not debunked that the Justice dept decided to purposely reduce the penalty for one of the Black Panthers, so that it was less than a slap on the wrist. It is not debunked the accusation (under oath) that Loretta King told the lawyers of Justice to not prosecute voter intimidation cases where the defendant is black.

sigh:
Manufactured scandal: Right wing's phony allegations against the Justice Department
[Link: mediamatters.org...]

Philly DA: No Complaints About Black Panthers At Polls
[Link: www.myfoxphilly.com...]

GOP Civil Rights Commissioner: "Forget about the New Black Panther Party case"
[Link: mediamatters.org...]

91 filetandrelease  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:39:32pm

Wow, lots of questions there, for those who have not seen the video of these guys (black panthers) spewing absolute hatred towards whites and advocacy of killing them, and there babies, it is all over the internet. I won't link it here is Charles already hasn't. No one that I have seen in the TP movement even comes close to the hate speak in these videos, and yes, as a TP'er myself I do follow the fringes of our group.

It will be used in campaign adds, it is bad for the left, these videos, and frankly dangerous.

I was inquiring here if anyone was concerned as many are about the far right, that just maybe there is a eliminate brewing on the far left that may be as dangerous.

IMO so far it seems more of a fringe.

92 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:39:48pm

re: #86 Boondock St. Bender

So I was right. How dare you!
/

93 What, me worry?  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:40:11pm

Any Jews in North Iowa? Most synagogues wouldn't stand for this.

94 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:40:36pm

re: #67 SanFranciscoZionist

The NBP? Doubt they'll turn to political assassination, and they don't seem to have the 'whip up the independent actor' thing going on. What's your concern with them?

They preach murder of Jews and other non-blacks. Other than that they're just peachy.

95 Buck  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:40:57pm

re: #78 jamesfirecat

Nobody was stopped from voting so really that only qualifies in my book as "attempted voter intimidation" secondly it was under Bush that all of the stuff you talked about took place.

Also what the f*** do you want done about it right now exactly?

Double Jeopardy can suck at times, but there you have it...

You don't know that nobody was stopped from voting. Some people might have driven up, and seeing what they saw, chose to just drive off. There is NO "attempted voter intimidation". You either see it, or you don't.

Under Holder, the case, (which was already won) was dismissed by Justice, against the judgement of the Judge and the Justice lawyers closest to the case. Other than the one Panther, and his penalty was reduced to become almost nothing. That panther can still show up at any polling, with a baton and intimidate anytime, except in Philly.

96 McSpiff  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:40:59pm

re: #91 filetandrelease

A Tea partier are ya? That explains the grammar.

97 filetandrelease  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:42:21pm

re: #67 SanFranciscoZionist
That at some point they or those they inspire will go out and kill white people. Politcal or not.

It is not something I am afraid of, but then, I am not afraid the right is going to muster up a militia and attack washington either.

98 jamesfirecat  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:42:40pm

re: #91 filetandrelease

Wow, lots of questions there, for those who have not seen the video of these guys (black panthers) spewing absolute hatred towards whites and advocacy of killing them, and there babies, it is all over the internet. I won't link it here is Charles already hasn't. No one that I have seen in the TP movement even comes close to the hate speak in these videos, and yes, as a TP'er myself I do follow the fringes of our group.

It will be used in campaign adds, it is bad for the left, these videos, and frankly dangerous.

I was inquiring here if anyone was concerned as many are about the far right, that just maybe there is a eliminate brewing on the far left that may be as dangerous.

IMO so far it seems more of a fringe.

"GATHER YOUR ARMIES!"

Do you get how this works?

I'm sorry but you can't say that the Black Panthers doing what the Black Panthers always do, is more worrying than a guy RUNNING FOR CONGRESS all but outright saying we need to overthrow the government!

99 Gus  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:43:17pm

Yeah, unlike the Army of God that "preaches" the murder of abortion doctors.

100 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:43:18pm

re: #91 filetandrelease

So, what drew you to the Tea Party? Was it their 9/11 trooferism, or their support for "Libertarian in republican clothing" Ron Paul?

101 McSpiff  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:43:30pm

re: #91 filetandrelease

A Tea partier are ya? That explains the grammar. re: #97 filetandrelease

That at some point they or those they inspire will go out and kill white people. Politcal or not.

It is not something I am afraid of, but then, I am not afraid the right is going to muster up a militia and attack washington either.

So why do you think a movement you support is lying then?

102 Slap  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:43:48pm

re: #43 RogueOne

I'm not sure there were as many closed doors on that as you might think. During the Clinton admin, I recall speaking with many friends from the military, and I remember a pretty widespread idea that the Clintons "hated" the military and "treated them like shit".

I was never able to clearly tell if there was heft behind the concept, or whether something got blown way out of proportion and became a meme, but there was definite mistrust, in a big way. I have often thought that the roots of the "oathshitters" reach back at least that far.

103 Boondock St. Bender  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:43:53pm

re: #98 jamesfirecat

would that be before or after he became part of the government?

104 filetandrelease  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:44:24pm

re: #96 McSpiff

A Tea partier are ya? That explains the grammar.

Hey, the sixth grade was the best 3 years of my life!

105 What, me worry?  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:44:39pm

re: #97 filetandrelease

That at some point they or those they inspire will go out and kill white people. Politcal or not.

It is not something I am afraid of, but then, I am not afraid the right is going to muster up a militia and attack washington either.

And since they've been around far longer than the Tea Party, whom have they killed recently?

106 bratwurst  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:44:47pm

You know how sometimes people here claim to not understand the meaning of tu quoque? In future, we can just refer them to this thread.

107 webevintage  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:44:50pm

re: #91 filetandrelease


It will be used in campaign adds, it is bad for the left, these videos, and frankly dangerous.
I was inquiring here if anyone was concerned as many are about the far right, that just maybe there is a eliminate brewing on the far left that may be as dangerous.

Yes they are disturbing and I have a feeling that contrary to the BS spewed by FOXNews that the Black Panthers are on the radar of the FBI as they probably always have been. The same as the white power folks and the jew hater groups and really anyone who is a hate group that has weapons.
EXCEPT they have not killed policemen or been involved in a conspiracy to kill local law enforcement.
There are way more right wing hate groups then there are Black Panthers and I'm confused why the BPs are a problem for the left?

108 jamesfirecat  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:45:03pm

re: #95 Buck

You don't know that nobody was stopped from voting. Some people might have driven up, and seeing what they saw, chose to just drive off. There is NO "attempted voter intimidation". You either see it, or you don't.

Under Holder, the case, (which was already won) was dismissed by Justice, against the judgement of the Judge and the Justice lawyers closest to the case. Other than the one Panther, and his penalty was reduced to become almost nothing. That panther can still show up at any polling, with a baton and intimidate anytime, except in Philly.

So what the f*** do you want done exactly?

Also by the way forgive me but this is America, if an American is so lilly livered that the sight of a few black people scare them away from the polls than in all honesty the country is better off if they don't vote...

I want to live in an America where people would be proud to show off their wounds and declare how they got them in the process of casting their ballots!

109 Buck  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:45:18pm

re: #87 McSpiff

Your argument so far has consisted of "The truth is out there!! Its being suppressed by the FBI and the DoJ and the Black Panthers man!"

Why should I take your paranoid rantings any more serious than the man screaming on the corner?

I didn't say ANY of that. You put words in my mouth to make me sound like I am ranting.
I never used the word suppressed at all. The (under oath) testimony is out there for you to read and see. I will say that clearly you choose to ignore it. If than means to you that you can call me names and make this personal...I can't stop you.

110 filetandrelease  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:45:25pm

re: #100 Slumbering Behemoth

No, just like almost all of them, don't like the direction the country is heading.

111 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:45:39pm

re: #105 marjoriemoon

And since they've been around far longer than the Tea Party, whom have they killed recently?

Only an absolute moron would defend the New Black Panthers.

112 webevintage  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:45:59pm

re: #95 Buck

You don't know that nobody was stopped from voting. Some people might have driven up, and seeing what they saw, chose to just drive off. There is NO "attempted voter intimidation". You either see it, or you don't.

Under Holder, the case, (which was already won) was dismissed by Justice, against the judgement of the Judge and the Justice lawyers closest to the case. Other than the one Panther, and his penalty was reduced to become almost nothing. That panther can still show up at any polling, with a baton and intimidate anytime, except in Philly.

sigh:
Manufactured scandal: Right wing's phony allegations against the Justice Department
[Link: mediamatters.org...]

Philly DA: No Complaints About Black Panthers At Polls
[Link: [Link: www.myfoxphilly.com...]...]

GOP Civil Rights Commissioner: "Forget about the New Black Panther Party case"
[Link: mediamatters.org...]

113 filetandrelease  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:47:20pm

re: #105 marjoriemoon

And since they've been around far longer than the Tea Party, whom have they killed recently?

Too the best of my knowledge, neither group has killed anyone.

114 jamesfirecat  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:47:26pm

re: #111 Spare O'Lake

Only an absolute moron would defend the New Black Panthers.

There's a difference between defending and classifying.

AT the moment the NBP seems to be full of a lot of talk but not much action, we've already had people killed and found illegal weapons owned by right wing loonies recently.

115 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:47:38pm

re: #110 filetandrelease

It's a movement started by troofers and Paul-bots. Even if I agreed with them on 80% of their rhetoric, there is no way in hell I'd join ranks with a movement started by troofers and Paul-bots.

116 What, me worry?  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:47:44pm

re: #111 Spare O'Lake

Only an absolute moron would defend the New Black Panthers.

I am not defending them. I don't think anyone here wants to do that. I certainly don't want to do that.

But to somehow claim that the Tea Party's racism is justified because of Black racism is only something a moron would do.

117 Amory Blaine  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:48:48pm

Not only couldn't Bush be called out for his disastrous war policies, these thugs and bullies are openly, on every medium, calling the new president a communist and shouting people down in public forums. Even though every person in the world knew the pile of shit dumped in Obamas lap (Including Obama).

Guns to town halls, open racism etc. Where is this heading?

118 filetandrelease  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:49:08pm

re: #107 webevintage

It is a willie horten marketing opportunity.

119 alexknyc  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:49:32pm

re: #111 Spare O'Lake

Only an absolute moron would defend the New Black Panthers.

You don't have to defend the NBPP to believe there is far more trouble brewing on the extreme right than there is on the extreme left.

120 McSpiff  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:50:22pm

re: #109 Buck

Look, if you think the Black Panthers are a threat to America and your way of life, I'll spare you the breath. I think you're an idiot, and nothing is going to change my mind. I don't think these guys are any more of a threat to America than the Hells Angels, MS-13 or the Mafia. Things America has dealt with essentially since day one.

Since the Tea Party has made it clear that against all odds they're smart enough to use political and legal means, with the subtle threat of assassination and terrorism to institute what amounts to a theocracy with the flag around its shoulders, I do worry about them since they actually have mainstream support. We have people admitting to that in this thread.

121 jamesfirecat  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:50:49pm

re: #118 filetandrelease

It is a willie horten marketing opportunity.

Yes what Bush did is clearly something we can use against Obama!

122 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:51:09pm

re: #116 marjoriemoon

Only an uber-moron would claim that anyone here is enough of a moron to have made that claim.

123 Amory Blaine  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:51:19pm

re: #91 filetandrelease

Wow, lots of questions there, for those who have not seen the video of these guys (black panthers) spewing absolute hatred towards whites and advocacy of killing them, and there babies, it is all over the internet. I won't link it here is Charles already hasn't. No one that I have seen in the TP movement even comes close to the hate speak in these videos, and yes, as a TP'er myself I do follow the fringes of our group.

It will be used in campaign adds, it is bad for the left, these videos, and frankly dangerous.

I was inquiring here if anyone was concerned as many are about the far right, that just maybe there is a eliminate brewing on the far left that may be as dangerous.

IMO so far it seems more of a fringe.

Show me a video of Black Panthers outside of a presidential town hall meeting holding assault rifles?

124 McSpiff  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:52:06pm

re: #123 Amory Blaine

I don't think we've met yet, welcome and excellent point!

125 What, me worry?  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:53:26pm

re: #122 Spare O'Lake

Only an uber-moron would claim that anyone here is enough of a moron to have made that claim.

Oh Lord help me! Ok you win!

126 darthstar  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:53:37pm

I like that the teabaggers of Northern Iowa waste time and money on things like this...it's really not an effective campaign strategy, and it's downright anti-patriotic.

127 What, me worry?  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:54:17pm

re: #122 Spare O'Lake

Only an uber-moron would claim that anyone here is enough of a moron to have made that claim.

Moron! Infinity! Double stamp!

Ha!

128 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:54:19pm

re: #119 alexknyc

You don't have to defend the NBPP to believe there is far more trouble brewing on the extreme right than there is on the extreme left.

When one pooh-poohs the NBP racist genocidal hate on the basis that the extreme right is of greater concern, one makes a terrible mistake.

129 McSpiff  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:54:23pm

re: #125 marjoriemoon

Oh Lord help me! Ok you win!

Anyone who think marjoriemoon is an ultra-moron is a super-duper-moron-times-infinity-plus-one-more-than-you-always.

130 Amory Blaine  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:54:31pm

re: #124 McSpiff

Hi McSpiff, thanks for the greeting.

131 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:54:38pm

re: #123 Amory Blaine

Show me a video of Black Panthers outside of a presidential town hall meeting holding assault rifles?

Time Traveling Tu Quoque!
/

132 jamesfirecat  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:54:43pm

re: #128 Spare O'Lake

When one pooh-poohs the NBP racist genocidal hate on the basis that the extreme right is of greater concern, one makes a terrible mistake.

So what exactly should we be doing about them then?

133 Buck  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:54:55pm

re: #90 webevintage

sigh:
Manufactured scandal: Right wing's phony allegations against the Justice Department
[Link: mediamatters.org...]

Philly DA: No Complaints About Black Panthers At Polls
[Link: www.myfoxphilly.com...]

GOP Civil Rights Commissioner: "Forget about the New Black Panther Party case"
[Link: mediamatters.org...]

The media matters take is clearly biased, and the other is just inaccurate.

There has been testimony that the police were called, and even showed up. If that was not taken to the DA is interesting, but that doesn't mean that complaints were not made to the authorities.

Complaints were made to the authorities, and the evidence is the police arriving, and the charges levied and prosecuted.

Media matters spends a lot of time saying the same thing happened under Bush, and tries to slander any conservative that complains.

McCain Poll watcher Bartle Bull made out a sworn complaint. He is a witness. Of course he was working for McCain, so he is biased (according to MM). However that is why they have Poll Watchers from BOTH sides in attendance. No one expects the Obama supporters to complain.

134 Gus  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:54:56pm

re: #125 marjoriemoon

Oh Lord help me! Ok you win!

Slain by the ninja debater!

//

135 What, me worry?  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:55:11pm

re: #129 McSpiff

Anyone who think marjoriemoon is an ultra-moron is a super-duper-moron-times-infinity-plus-one-more-tha n-you-always.

That's the nicest thing anyone said to me in a long time! lol

136 filetandrelease  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:55:51pm

re: #120 McSpiff

As a tea par-tier, IMO, the Theocracy angle is way over blown. It will never happen. Way too many on the right are not remotely interested in that form of government. Combined with the left, a dead issue.

It is the growth of government that binds us.

137 McSpiff  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:55:59pm

re: #128 Spare O'Lake

When one pooh-poohs the NBP racist genocidal hate on the basis that the extreme right is of greater concern, one makes a terrible mistake.

"et tu, et tu, et tu! WHY AREN'T YOU LISTENING TO ME! ET TU! ALL THREATS ARE ALWAYS EQUAL IN THE POLITICAL ARENA! ET TU! THE LEFT AND RIGHT FRINGE EXIST ONLY IN PERFECT EQUILIBRIUM! ET TU AND GOOD DAY TO YOU SIR!"

138 jamesfirecat  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:56:10pm

re: #133 Buck

The media matters take is clearly biased, and the other is just inaccurate.

There has been testimony that the police were called, and even showed up. If that was not taken to the DA is interesting, but that doesn't mean that complaints were not made to the authorities.

Complaints were made to the authorities, and the evidence is the police arriving, and the charges levied and prosecuted.

Media matters spends a lot of time saying the same thing happened under Bush, and tries to slander any conservative that complains.

McCain Poll watcher Bartle Bull made out a sworn complaint. He is a witness. Of course he was working for McCain, so he is biased (according to MM). However that is why they have Poll Watchers from BOTH sides in attendance. No one expects the Obama supporters to complain.

I say once again.

Double Jeopardy.

What do you want to see happen?

139 Gus  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:56:20pm

re: #90 webevintage

sigh:
Manufactured scandal: Right wing's phony allegations against the Justice Department
[Link: mediamatters.org...]

Philly DA: No Complaints About Black Panthers At Polls
[Link: www.myfoxphilly.com...]

GOP Civil Rights Commissioner: "Forget about the New Black Panther Party case"
[Link: mediamatters.org...]

Just wanted to repeat that.

140 Amory Blaine  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:56:30pm

re: #131 Slumbering Behemoth

I knew a 40 year old picture would arise!!

141 filetandrelease  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:57:26pm

re: #123 Amory Blaine

Show me a video of Black Panthers outside of a presidential town hall meeting holding assault rifles?

Do night sticks at a polling station count?

142 McSpiff  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:57:41pm

re: #136 filetandrelease

As a tea par-tier, IMO, the Theocracy angle is way over blown. It will never happen. Way too many on the right are not remotely interested in that form of government. Combined with the left, a dead issue.

It is the growth of government that binds us.

Do you believe in the separation of church and state as currently understood by the US Government and SCOTUS?

143 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:57:48pm

re: #129 McSpiff

Anyone who think marjoriemoon is an ultra-moron is a super-duper-moron-times-infinity-plus-one-more-tha n-you-always.

Called it, stamped it, touch black magic!

144 alexknyc  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:57:52pm

re: #128 Spare O'Lake

When one pooh-poohs the NBP racist genocidal hate on the basis that the extreme right is of greater concern, one makes a terrible mistake.

I haven't pooh-poohed of anything of the sort.

145 Amory Blaine  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:58:02pm

re: #141 filetandrelease

No. They don't.

146 Buck  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:58:39pm

re: #120 McSpiff

Look, if you think the Black Panthers are a threat to America and your way of life, I'll spare you the breath. I think you're an idiot, and nothing is going to change my mind. I don't think these guys are any more of a threat to America than the Hells Angels, MS-13 or the Mafia. Things America has dealt with essentially since day one.

Since the Tea Party has made it clear that against all odds they're smart enough to use political and legal means, with the subtle threat of assassination and terrorism to institute what amounts to a theocracy with the flag around its shoulders, I do worry about them since they actually have mainstream support. We have people admitting to that in this thread.

Why do you think I am comparing the tea party with the black panthers?

Why do you think that voter intimidation is NOT political.

AND why does your (almost) every post involve calling people names?

147 jamesfirecat  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:58:57pm

re: #141 filetandrelease

Do night sticks at a polling station count?


Gee night sticks and polling place... assault rifles at a meeting that the president is going to....

You know I don't really think these two things are the same, but thanks for playing!

148 webevintage  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:59:22pm

re: #133 Buck

The media matters take is clearly biased, and the other is just inaccurate.

How did I know you were going to say that?

149 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 1:59:41pm

re: #140 Amory Blaine

Hey, I had to travel back in time to get that for you. I should get some sort of commission or something. My car does not run on ordinary gasoline, ya know.

150 teleskiguy  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 2:00:07pm

re: #136 filetandrelease

As a tea par-tier, IMO, the Theocracy angle is way over blown. It will never happen. Way too many on the right are not remotely interested in that form of government. Combined with the left, a dead issue.

It is the growth of government that binds us.

Watch this video. It's from the Texas Board of Education. I call bullshit on your argument there buddy.

151 What, me worry?  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 2:00:16pm

re: #128 Spare O'Lake

When one pooh-poohs the NBP racist genocidal hate on the basis that the extreme right is of greater concern, one makes a terrible mistake.

Actually, I think the point I was trying to make is that since the Black Panthers have been around for such a long time, 50 years now? it seems odd that all of a sudden they are such a threat to the Tea Party. They are violent and they are racist for sure, but why point to them now after all this time? Was it just the voting intimidation that got the Tea Party in an uproar?

152 Gus  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 2:00:27pm

re: #148 webevintage

How did I know you were going to say that?

Can't use Wikipedia either.

Let me see if I can dig something up at Conservapedia.

//

153 alexknyc  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 2:00:36pm

re: #136 filetandrelease

As a tea par-tier, IMO, the Theocracy angle is way over blown. It will never happen. Way too many on the right are not remotely interested in that form of government. Combined with the left, a dead issue.

It is the growth of government that binds us.

I'm concerned about both federal spending and the growth of government. I'm exactly who the Tea Party should be catering to, not the Nirthers, Troofers, Paul-bots, crackpots and race warriors.

As it stands now, the Tea Parties are less inviting than a swim in toxic waste.

154 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 2:00:48pm

re: #132 jamesfirecat

So what exactly should we be doing about them then?

Shine the bright cleansing light of truth on their filth, without regard to political correctness or partisan considerations.

155 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 2:01:08pm

re: #111 Spare O'Lake

Only an absolute moron would defend the New Black Panthers.

Only an absolute moron would draw equivalence between the extent and influence of the Black Panthers and the Tea Party.

156 filetandrelease  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 2:01:21pm

re: #142 McSpiff

Absolutely. Although sometimes I think it gets carried away. Removing the ten commandments from a court house IMO is silly, or not allowing a team to pray before a game at a local high school. Or removing a cross from federal land.

157 webevintage  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 2:01:39pm

If only, if only the tea party movement was about the over reach of the government.

158 Buck  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 2:02:03pm

re: #138 jamesfirecat

I say once again.

Double Jeopardy.

What do you want to see happen?

IF people at the Justice Dept are operating as they have been accused of, then that is a scandal, and illegal.

Why would you read and hear that testimony and not want the investigation to continue? Shouldn't the other lawyers at justice at least be questioned under oath? If only to find the truth?

159 McSpiff  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 2:02:19pm

re: #146 Buck

Why do you think I am comparing the tea party with the black panthers?

Well, the only time i hear about the NBPP is on Tea Party threads, so thats just a weird coincidence I guess.


Why do you think that voter intimidation is NOT political.

Can you give a post # where I said it wasn't?


AND why does your (almost) every post involve calling people names?

I'm just being honest up front about my basis.

160 filetandrelease  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 2:03:16pm

re: #150 teleskiguy

Watch this video. It's from the Texas Board of Education. I call bullshit on your argument there buddy.

[Video]

Sorry, I am a conservative, the religious right does not scare me. We will never live in a theocracy.

161 Romantic Heretic  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 2:03:17pm

Hilarious. These people have no idea what living under a totalitarian government is like. They're living in one of the freest countries in history. Yet they think they're oppressed.

Of course if it was their type of totalitarian government they'd be cool with it.

162 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 2:03:29pm

re: #128 Spare O'Lake

When one pooh-poohs the NBP racist genocidal hate on the basis that the extreme right is of greater concern, one makes a terrible mistake.

When one raises the specter of NBPP in a thread about a TP billboard in an effort to draw a false equivalence, one is being an idiot.

163 RadicalModerate  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 2:03:33pm

re: #69 McSpiff

I've never heard anyone suggest Obama has had people murdered. A poster here told me Clinton had numerous people killed. This was this year too

The guy who was making the "Clinton body count" claims was the very same Floyd Brown who I've been posting about for the past three threads.

Citizens United - Floyd G. Brown

As reporter Francis X. Clines reports, Burton, an ultra-conservative republican from Indiana, seemed to have adopted the Citizen's United line:

"Who moved the body?" Burton boomed from the House floor in rejecting the official finding of suicide and feeding conspiracy theories with an account of re-enacting the event in his own backyard by shooting bullets into a "head-like object."97

Brown's ClintonWatch newsletter, which referred to Clinton's "radical socialist agenda,"98 reflects the apocalyptic conspiracism commonly found in the hard right. Despite this, Brown's work reached deep into mainstream politics. In 1994, according to Jouzaitis:

Rep. John Doolittle (R-Calif.) quietly invited Brown to give 10 junior House Republicans his highly partisan take on Whitewater probes. Brown's materials also have wound up in the hands of Rep. Jim Leach (R-Iowa) whose staff also has been doing its own investigation as the congressman presses for hearings into Whitewater. Leach's spokesman, Joe Pinder, declined to say how they got there.

Two of Brown's senior staff are veterans of the ultra-conservative subculture with its conspiracist worldview of communism as a vast left wing conspiracy-a worldview that originated in the Old Right.

Is it just me, or do the sections I bolded sound a whole lot like the talking points we're hearing today from the RNC?

Keep in mind that this summary was cited in 1993-1995.

164 filetandrelease  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 2:03:55pm

re: #157 webevintage

If only, if only the tea party movement was about the over reach of the government.


That is exactly what it is about.

165 jamesfirecat  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 2:04:16pm

re: #154 Spare O'Lake

Shine the bright cleansing light of truth on their filth, without regard to political correctness or partisan considerations.

Okay and how do you know that this isn't being done as we speak? Obama could have the police/FBI/CIA/whoever's jurisdiction this falls into investigating the NPB secretly and obviously we would never know.

You raise a good point, but you've made it now so can we stop arguing about what exactly should be done? Because there's not much more to be said, if he is doing it without us knowing it that's good, if it he isn't he should be, and nothing we say here is likely to convince him to start doing it.

166 webevintage  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 2:04:31pm

re: #156 filetandrelease

Absolutely. Although sometimes I think it gets carried away. Removing the ten commandments from a court house IMO is silly, or not allowing a team to pray before a game at a local high school. Or removing a cross from federal land.

I think it is kind of silly that one would ever think putting the ten commandments in or in front of a court house is a good idea. Or praying in school or before a football game...I promise you God does not care about a high school football game.

167 Red Pencil  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 2:05:06pm

What's with the font choice on the Lenin "change"? What is that font anyway? It looks familiar but I can't place it or figure out what it has to do with Lenin or Communism or anything. Since it is different from the other fonts I must assume the "artists" found it meaningful.

168 McSpiff  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 2:06:38pm

re: #156 filetandrelease

Absolutely. Although sometimes I think it gets carried away. Removing the ten commandments from a court house IMO is silly, or not allowing a team to pray before a game at a local high school. Or removing a cross from federal land.

Hey totally respectable answer there. Talking about schools in general, how do you feel a topic like evolution should be approached? Civil War?

169 jamesfirecat  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 2:06:39pm

re: #156 filetandrelease

Absolutely. Although sometimes I think it gets carried away. Removing the ten commandments from a court house IMO is silly, or not allowing a team to pray before a game at a local high school. Or removing a cross from federal land.

"Removing a cross from federal land" Yes because lord knows I'm sure all the Jews, Muslims Hindus, Buddhists, Deists and so on who have died in war for our nation would be happy to know that the price they paid is shown through there being a gigantic CHRISTIAN worship symbol!

170 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 2:06:39pm

re: #151 marjoriemoon

Actually, I think the point I was trying to make is that since the Black Panthers have been around for such a long time, 50 years now? it seems odd that all of a sudden they are such a threat to the Tea Party. They are violent and they are racist for sure, but why point to them now after all this time? Was it just the voting intimidation that got the Tea Party in an uproar?

These are the NEW Black Panthers, who have even been straight-armed by the old defunct Black Panthers.

The New Black Panther Party (NBPP), whose formal name is the New Black Panther Party for Self-Defense, is a U.S.-based organization founded in Dallas, Texas in 1989. Despite its name, NBPP is not an official successor to the Black Panther Party.[2] Members of the original Black Panther Party have insisted that this party is illegitimate and have vociferously objected that there "is no new Black Panther Party".[2] The Anti-Defamation League and the Southern Poverty Law Center identified the New Black Panthers as a hate group.[3][4]

The NBPP attracted many breakaway members of the Nation of Islam when former NOI minister Khalid Abdul Muhammad became the national chairman of the group from the late 1990s until his death in 2001. [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

171 webevintage  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 2:06:42pm

re: #164 filetandrelease

That is exactly what it is about.

So they do not blather on at conventions about abortion or gay marriage or yell silly stuff like "I want my country baaaacccckkkkk".

172 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 2:06:59pm

The local cops chose not to arrest. The local prosecutors chose not to charge. The Bush DOJ decided not to file criminal charges, filed a civil suit instead.

So, why does the black President have to reverse all of the previous decisions?

ridiculous.white.victimhood

173 jamesfirecat  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 2:07:19pm

re: #160 filetandrelease

Sorry, I am a conservative, the religious right does not scare me. We will never live in a theocracy.

And I'm a liberal, big government doesn't scare me, we'll never live in a socialist state.

My argument just as valid as yours!

174 Lidane  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 2:07:36pm

re: #164 filetandrelease

That is exactly what it is about.

In which alternate reality? All I ever see from the Tea Party are idiotic signs like the billboard at the top of this page, and a bunch of Paulian/Troofer/Alex Jones style garbage.

175 Gus  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 2:08:32pm

Kind of an update regarding Michelle Obama's speech to the NAACP yesterday. Like clockwork the wingnuts are advertising it as: Michelle Obama Rouses NAACP Before Vote Condemning 'Racist' Elements of Tea Party!

She never mentioned the Tea Party.

176 darthstar  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 2:08:36pm

re: #162 Fozzie Bear

When one raises the specter of NBPP in a thread about a TP billboard in an effort to draw a false equivalence, one is being an idiot.

Yes, but what do we do about the threat posed by the ASBSQSA*? Those fuckers aren't only dangerous, they're downright entertaining!

*American Society for Barber Shop Quartet Singing in America

177 filetandrelease  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 2:08:43pm

re: #166 webevintage
You promise.

Those who do pray before a game think it is a good idea, should we impose on them our beliefs that it is silly? Like wise to those who put the ten commandments at a court house.

Is the back of a dollar bill silly?

178 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 2:08:43pm

re: #160 filetandrelease

Sorry, I am a conservative, the religious right does not scare me.

Sorry, I am a conservative, and the "religious right" is an anti-American albatross hung about the neck of the GOP. A cancer that desperately tries to spread it's sickness into every part of the American body politic.

We will never live in a theocracy.

Due in no small part to the diligence of those who oppose said cancer.

179 jamesfirecat  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 2:08:45pm

re: #158 Buck

IF people at the Justice Dept are operating as they have been accused of, then that is a scandal, and illegal.

Why would you read and hear that testimony and not want the investigation to continue? Shouldn't the other lawyers at justice at least be questioned under oath? If only to find the truth?

Okay I agree with you.

That should be what they do.

Now that we've brought this up and I've agreed with you can we focus on maters more important than one look into a judicial ruling such as how one of our countries major parties is being taken over by radicals?

180 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 2:09:44pm

re: #155 Fozzie Bear

Only an absolute moron would draw equivalence between the extent and influence of the Black Panthers and the Tea Party.

Correct, and vice-versa...so let's be careful not to lower our standards around here by appearing do so with the partisan jockeying.

181 alexknyc  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 2:09:50pm

re: #177 filetandrelease

You promise.

Those who do pray before a game think it is a good idea, should we impose on them our beliefs that it is silly? Like wise to those who put the ten commandments at a court house.

Is the back of a dollar bill silly?

They can still pray before a game, they just can't have a school official lead it.

182 darthstar  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 2:11:21pm

re: #176 darthstar

Yes, but what do we do about the threat posed by the ASBSQSA*? Those fuckers aren't only dangerous, they're downright entertaining!

*American Society for Barber Shop Quartet Singing in America

Crap...it used to be SPEBSQSA...I knew I was fucking that up. (Society for the Preservation and Encouragement of Barber Shop Quartet Singing in America... Now just the BHS (Barbershop Harmony Society), which is a much more boring acronym.

183 McSpiff  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 2:11:53pm

re: #180 Spare O'Lake

Correct, and vice-versa...so let's be careful not to lower our standards around here by appearing do so with the partisan jockeying.

Uhh unless Vice Versa means something different, you don't actually agree there?

184 filetandrelease  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 2:12:08pm

re: #168 McSpiff
Teaching Evolution is critical to understand the here and now. How we got here so to speak. The evidence supporting evolution IMO is incontrovertible. Teaching creationism next to it is simply wrong. You can not teach religion and science together. Teaching creationism in school is fine, perhaps in a philosophy class, or a class on religion.

185 alexknyc  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 2:13:13pm

re: #179 jamesfirecat

Okay I agree with you.

That should be what they do.

Now that we've brought this up and I've agreed with you can we focus on maters more important than one look into a judicial ruling such as how one of our countries major parties is being taken over by radicals?

When I was growing up, the Democratic Party had been taken over by anti-Vietnam radicals and it cost them every presidential election between 1972 and 1992 (except for the post-Watergate election, which was extremely close).

Sometimes, it takes an extended time in the wilderness for a party that has gone off the rails to reconnect with its center.

It seems to be what we're looking at with today's GOP.

186 webevintage  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 2:13:23pm

re: #177 filetandrelease

You promise.

Those who do pray before a game think it is a good idea, should we impose on them our beliefs that it is silly? Like wise to those who put the ten commandments at a court house.

Is the back of a dollar bill silly?

The eye with the pyramid thingee...that freaks me out.

and the people who want to pray are quite able to pray all they want.
So I guess it does not matter if it bothers ME to have every freaking meeting open with a prayer? Does it not matter if I find the placing of the ten commandments in a court house crossing a line?
yes, me me me.

187 McSpiff  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 2:14:00pm

re: #184 filetandrelease

Teaching Evolution is critical to understand the here and now. How we got here so to speak. The evidence supporting evolution IMO is incontrovertible. Teaching creationism next to it is simply wrong. You can not teach religion and science together. Teaching creationism in school is fine, perhaps in a philosophy class, or a class on religion.

Two for two with me then. If its ok with you, I'm going to keep going with another question? Do you feel you have lost any rights under Obama?

188 filetandrelease  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 2:14:12pm

re: #174 Lidane
You might consider going to a rally and talking to those there, you would be surprised.

189 Buck  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 2:15:10pm

re: #159 McSpiff

I'm just being honest up front about my basis.

#120 you dismiss the NBP as not a threat, basically because they are only criminal (like the mafia?), AND then you explain that the TP is a threat because it is political.

It is clear to anyone who speaks english that you don't think that the NBP are political (only criminal). Well, New Black Panther Leader Malik Shabazz admits to placing members at polling stations… and admits that they might have been intimidating, while only trying to stop the police from intimidating blacks.

Is that political, or criminal or both? AND is voter intimidation a threat?

190 webevintage  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 2:15:45pm

In God We Trust was added to the dollar bill in the 50's so it is not like the "founding fathers" had anything to do with it...more like The Knights of Columbus.

191 windsagio  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 2:15:51pm

re: #188 filetandrelease

can you find any good evidence on the 'net to support your statement?

You seem to be saying 'it just is!'

192 windsagio  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 2:16:10pm

re: #190 webevintage

Had to show those Godless Commies!

193 alexknyc  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 2:16:25pm

re: #189 Buck

#120 you dismiss the NBP as not a threat, basically because they are only criminal (like the mafia?), AND then you explain that the TP is a threat because it is political.

It is clear to anyone who speaks english that you don't think that the NBP are political (only criminal). Well, New Black Panther Leader Malik Shabazz admits to placing members at polling stations… and admits that they might have been intimidating, while only trying to stop the police from intimidating blacks.

Is that political, or criminal or both? AND is voter intimidation a threat?

It's my understanding that the NBPP members were at a black-majority polling station. Were they attempting to intimidate Obama-voters?

194 darthstar  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 2:16:33pm

re: #97 filetandrelease

That at some point they or those they inspire will go out and kill white people. Politcal or not.

It is not something I am afraid of, but then, I am not afraid the right is going to muster up a militia and attack washington either.

Fuck. Me. Seriously? Scary black people scare you...got it. Might I suggest locking yourself in your home. We'll let you know when it's safe to come out.

195 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 2:16:40pm

re: #188 filetandrelease

You might consider going to a rally and talking to those there, you would be surprised.

It might be different in other places, but the Tea Party in the area I live is is fucking frightening. There's nothing like watching a crowd of people scream "COMMUNIST!!" while veins bulge out of their heads to turn you off on a political movement permanently.

196 Lidane  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 2:16:48pm

re: #188 filetandrelease

You might consider going to a rally and talking to those there, you would be surprised.

Given my skin color and last name, they'd probably try to have me deported for taking their job, or because I speak Spanish. =P

I've been around enough of the Ron Paul/Alex Jones types to know what I would hear at a Tea Party rally. Thanks, but no thanks.

197 webevintage  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 2:17:02pm

re: #192 windsagio

Had to show those Godless Commies!

Better Dead Then Red

198 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 2:17:26pm

re: #188 filetandrelease

You might consider going to a rally and talking to those there, you would be surprised.

Shocked, even.

199 teleskiguy  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 2:17:50pm

re: #160 filetandrelease

Sorry, I am a conservative, the religious right does not scare me. We will never live in a theocracy.

I am right-of-center, if we have to deal with these effing political labels. The religious right scares me. When you have people like Jill Stanek saying men should hit women who have abortions, when you have Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell saying 9/11 was divine providence, when you got creationist loonies trying to purge evolution from science classes, when you have people like Palin willingly deluding themselves and their followers into believing that we are God's chosen people and chosen country, when you have Glenn Beck constantly talking about "end-times" and "apocalypse" on TV and radio, when you when you have U.S. senate candidates like Sharron Angle saying that the founding fathers of this country never wanted the church and state separated; The religious right scares me, just a little.

200 What, me worry?  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 2:17:56pm

I gotta jetre: #194 darthstar

Fuck. Me. Seriously? Scary black people scare you...got it. Might I suggest locking yourself in your home. We'll let you know when it's safe to come out.

Actually I'm more afraid of the scary white people. Which I think was my point way up there... somewhere.

201 What, me worry?  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 2:18:19pm

re: #200 marjoriemoon

I gotta jet

Actually I'm more afraid of the scary white people. Which I think was my point way up there... somewhere.

And yea, I gotta jet lol

202 filetandrelease  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 2:20:27pm

re: #187 McSpiff

Two for two with me then. If its ok with you, I'm going to keep going with another question? Do you feel you have lost any rights under Obama?


A far more difficult question to answer. It is not necessarily my rights I am concerned with at this point. But the huge debt we as a country are accumulating. Starting under the Bush administration it began to spiral. Now it is simply getting out of control. Last month we gave 800 million to the Palastinians as an example.

We can't keep spending what we don't have or what we have will become worth less.

203 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 2:20:31pm

re: #194 darthstar

In truth, however, violent, racist rhetoric is violent, racist rhetoric regardless of who or where it comes from. It is not a stretch to think that such rhetoric might inspire someone to commit violence.

204 jamesfirecat  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 2:20:49pm

re: #185 alexknyc

When I was growing up, the Democratic Party had been taken over by anti-Vietnam radicals and it cost them every presidential election between 1972 and 1992 (except for the post-Watergate election, which was extremely close).

Sometimes, it takes an extended time in the wilderness for a party that has gone off the rails to reconnect with its center.

It seems to be what we're looking at with today's GOP.

Huh?

Really?

I thought the democrats losses had to deal with running poor candidates in those years? Granted I didn't live through them, so I guess I'll take your word for it.

205 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 2:21:27pm

re: #200 marjoriemoon

Actually I'm more afraid of the scary white people.

Gee, thanks. :(

206 windsagio  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 2:21:47pm

re: #204 jamesfirecat

It also had something to do with the southern racist element finally forgetting enough about Lincoln to dump the Democrats for the GOP >>

207 Buck  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 2:22:42pm

re: #179 jamesfirecat

Okay I agree with you.

That should be what they do.

Now that we've brought this up and I've agreed with you can we focus on maters more important than one look into a judicial ruling such as how one of our countries major parties is being taken over by radicals?

Do you consider Code pink to be radical? Is MoveON.org radical? The people protesting Bush for 8 years, with all that open anti semitism.... were they radical? Was Michael Moore, and Fahrenheit 9/11 radical?

Taken over? That is an exaggeration. One that is repeated every cycle by the people who support the party in power. The others are crazy, and being taken over by crazies.

IF you had denounced the crazies on the Left at anytime in the last cycle, you would have credibility with me, but I understand you were 12 or something.... so it is understandable that you think this is all new.

208 filetandrelease  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 2:23:27pm

re: #191 windsagio

can you find any good evidence on the 'net to support your statement?

You seem to be saying 'it just is!'


If you go to most right wings blogs you can read what concerns most conservatives. It isn't race or religion, although you will find that, it is the growing government.

209 jamesfirecat  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 2:23:47pm

re: #202 filetandrelease

A far more difficult question to answer. It is not necessarily my rights I am concerned with at this point. But the huge debt we as a country are accumulating. Starting under the Bush administration it began to spiral. Now it is simply getting out of control. Last month we gave 800 million to the Palastinians as an example.

We can't keep spending what we don't have or what we have will become worth less.

Yeah clearly we need to raise taxes to give the government more capital so we can pay off our debt!

210 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 2:24:28pm

re: #202 filetandrelease

A far more difficult question to answer. It is not necessarily my rights I am concerned with at this point. But the huge debt we as a country are accumulating. Starting under the Bush Reagan administration it began to spiral. Now it is simply getting out of control. It has been out of control for decades, but now I am suddenly concerned and am not sure why. Last month we gave 800 million to the Palastinians as an example.

We can't keep spending what we don't have or what we have will become worth less.

FTFY.

211 jamesfirecat  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 2:26:23pm

re: #207 Buck

Do you consider Code pink to be radical? Is MoveON.org radical? The people protesting Bush for 8 years, with all that open anti semitism... were they radical? Was Michael Moore, and Fahrenheit 9/11 radical?

Taken over? That is an exaggeration. One that is repeated every cycle by the people who support the party in power. The others are crazy, and being taken over by crazies.

IF you had denounced the crazies on the Left at anytime in the last cycle, you would have credibility with me, but I understand you were 12 or something... so it is understandable that you think this is all new.

No I'm 21, the thing is that the crazies on the left never seemed to be anywhere near as violent as the crazies on the right.

Or am I mistaken about that, and there were a whole bunch of evil lefties killing holocaust museum guards and stockpiling gernade launchers under Bush?

I heard a lot of "Well I'm moving to Canada" and very little "second amendment remedies."

Its not just the fringness that scares me, its the violence. That and that there are elected representatives agreeing with the fringe on the right....

212 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 2:26:25pm

re: #209 jamesfirecat

Yeah clearly we need to raise taxes to give the government more capital so we can pay off our debt!

Updinged, because half the revenue equation is verboten to discuss among the same crowd that constantly harps on about the deficit.

We cut taxes and declared war on two fronts simultaneously. Now we wonder where all the money went.

hmm....

213 filetandrelease  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 2:26:38pm

re: #200 marjoriemoon

I gotta jet


Actually I'm more afraid of the scary white people. Which I think was my point way up there... somewhere.


AAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!

214 alexknyc  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 2:27:42pm

re: #204 jamesfirecat

Huh?

Really?

I thought the democrats losses had to deal with running poor candidates in those years? Granted I didn't live through them, so I guess I'll take your word for it.

And why was it they had such poor candidates?

The radical left were the foot soldiers and to win the primaries, you had to pass their litmus test.

It's not dissimilar to the role the religious right is now playing with the GOP.

215 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 2:28:22pm

re: #208 filetandrelease

If you go to most right wings blogs you can read what concerns most conservatives. It isn't race or religion, although you will find that, it is the growing government.

Though it seems that many (not myself, of course) seem perfectly content with growing government when it favors their pet issues.

And just for the record, the dems in LA aren't any better then the reps in that case of gov't intrusion.

216 Buck  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 2:28:23pm

re: #193 alexknyc

It's my understanding that the NBPP members were at a black-majority polling station. Were they attempting to intimidate Obama-voters?

No they were clearly trying to intimidate McCain voters.

I don't understand your point at all.
You seem to be saying that you would support voter intimidation by whites against minority blacks in a white majority polling place?

217 alexknyc  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 2:28:36pm

re: #206 windsagio

It also had something to do with the southern racist element finally forgetting enough about Lincoln to dump the Democrats for the GOP >>

That had far more to do with the Civil Rights Act of 1964,

Even Johnson knew it was a loser for the Democrats in the South.

218 alexknyc  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 2:30:20pm

re: #209 jamesfirecat

Yeah clearly we need to raise taxes to give the government more capital so we can pay off our debt!

We need to raise taxes, cut spending, raise the retirement age and start means-testing for SS and Medicare.

Good luck on any of that because it's all political suicide.

219 windsagio  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 2:30:32pm

re: #208 filetandrelease

I know how they front, trust me :)

220 jamesfirecat  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 2:30:54pm

re: #214 alexknyc

And why was it they had such poor candidates?

The radical left were the foot soldiers and to win the primaries, you had to pass their litmus test.

It's not dissimilar to the role the religious right is now playing with the GOP.

Huh... if you say so.

Sorry it's just that I'm having trouble wrapping my mind around why the "Anti-war in Nam" faction would suddenly gain a lot of power at exactly the point in time when their issue was becoming moot. Okay they might have swung Nixon's first election to him, but by the time he was running for relection wasn't the war over?

What exactly were these radicals pushing that was so radical since the war was no over?

221 windsagio  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 2:31:09pm

re: #217 alexknyc

And notice that the worn turned in the '68 election.

Probably not a coincidence >

222 filetandrelease  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 2:31:12pm

re: #209 jamesfirecat

Yeah clearly we need to raise taxes to give the government more capital so we can pay off our debt!

If I thought for a moment more taxes would go to debt relief, I would be all in, but though the best 3 years of my life were spent in the 6th grade, I ain't naive.

223 alexknyc  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 2:32:07pm

re: #216 Buck

No they were clearly trying to intimidate McCain voters.

I don't understand your point at all.
You seem to be saying that you would support voter intimidation by whites against minority blacks in a white majority polling place?

My point is that if they were trying to intimidate McCain voters, they were in the wrong place.

224 jamesfirecat  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 2:32:38pm

re: #222 filetandrelease

If I thought for a moment more taxes would go to debt relief, I would be all in, but though the best 3 years of my life were spent in the 6th grade, I ain't naive.

Well it's would be entirely possible for the government to create a tax that would go only into debt relief.

If they will or not is another issue entirely.

Also so is the issue of if we should be worried about national debt all that much when unemployment is hovering near double digits....

225 alexknyc  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 2:33:50pm

re: #220 jamesfirecat

Huh... if you say so.

Sorry it's just that I'm having trouble wrapping my mind around why the "Anti-war in Nam" faction would suddenly gain a lot of power at exactly the point in time when their issue was becoming moot. Okay they might have swung Nixon's first election to him, but by the time he was running for relection wasn't the war over?

What exactly were these radicals pushing that was so radical since the war was no over?

There was a whole leftist agenda that the radicals had. They gained control of the party through anti-Vietnam activities and their agenda is what doomed their candidates.

Read up on the DLC and how it wrestled control of the party back starting with Clinton.

226 Buck  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 2:34:44pm

re: #211 jamesfirecat

No I'm 21, the thing is that the crazies on the left never seemed to be anywhere near as violent as the crazies on the right.

Or am I mistaken about that, and there were a whole bunch of evil lefties killing holocaust museum guards and stockpiling gernade launchers under Bush?

I heard a lot of "Well I'm moving to Canada" and very little "second amendment remedies."

Its not just the fringness that scares me, its the violence. That and that there are elected representatives agreeing with the fringe on the right...


You are mistaken. And 9 years ago you were 12...so from age 12 to 19 you missed most of the anti war rallies. You missed the left bombing military recruitment offices. You missed the violent antisemitism from the left.

And you missed how Democratic leaders cozied up to tyrants, antisemites, radicals, and killers.

AGAIN... it isn't exactly the same....except that at the base radicals, crazies, are seen at every event... right or left. Protesting brings out the nutso party.

227 jamesfirecat  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 2:35:11pm

re: #225 alexknyc

There was a whole leftist agenda that the radicals had. They gained control of the party through anti-Vietnam activities and their agenda is what doomed their candidates.

Read up on the DLC and how it wrestled control of the party back starting with Clinton.

Steam has ruined me.

Sorry it's just when I see DLC the first thing my mind thinks is "DownLoadable Content" as in the extra stuff you can get for videogames.

228 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 2:35:22pm

re: #222 filetandrelease

If I thought for a moment more taxes would go to debt relief, I would be all in, but though the best 3 years of my life were spent in the 6th grade, I ain't naive.

Yeah, clearly there is no relationship between revenue and taxation. /

229 Buck  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 2:36:43pm

re: #223 alexknyc

My point is that if they were trying to intimidate McCain voters, they were in the wrong place.

No they were at many polling places... they just got caught at the wrong place.

However is your point really that if they were at the wrong place, it is OK?

230 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 2:37:20pm

re: #226 Buck

You are mistaken. And 9 years ago you were 12...so from age 12 to 19 you missed most of the anti war rallies. You missed the left bombing military recruitment offices. You missed the violent antisemitism from the left.

And you missed how Democratic leaders cozied up to tyrants, antisemites, radicals, and killers.

AGAIN... it isn't exactly the same...except that at the base radicals, crazies, are seen at every event... right or left. Protesting brings out the nutso party.

Wow dude, it's like you live in a parallel universe where right wing propaganda is actually fact.

231 windsagio  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 2:38:05pm

re: #227 jamesfirecat

Get space rangers 2, its reaaaly fun.

232 webevintage  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 2:38:24pm

re: #202 filetandrelease

A far more difficult question to answer. It is not necessarily my rights I am concerned with at this point. But the huge debt we as a country are accumulating.

Then you should support "Obama Care" and the end of the Bush tax cuts.
[Link: cboblog.cbo.gov...]

233 jamesfirecat  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 2:38:41pm

re: #226 Buck

You are mistaken. And 9 years ago you were 12...so from age 12 to 19 you missed most of the anti war rallies. You missed the left bombing military recruitment offices. You missed the violent antisemitism from the left.

And you missed how Democratic leaders cozied up to tyrants, antisemites, radicals, and killers.

AGAIN... it isn't exactly the same...except that at the base radicals, crazies, are seen at every event... right or left. Protesting brings out the nutso party.

Okay then would you mind providing me with some links to all the stuff I missed?

Especially the part about the elected democrats getting all cozy with people they shouldn't have?

Because I find it hard to believe that the left could have been this crazy for 8 years and suddenly its all cured once we win an election, or if it was then this nation is F***ED.

234 alexknyc  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 2:38:56pm

re: #227 jamesfirecat

Steam has ruined me.

Sorry it's just when I see DLC the first thing my mind thinks is "DownLoadable Content" as in the extra stuff you can get for videogames.

Democratic Leadership Council.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

235 filetandrelease  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 2:39:09pm

re: #228 Fozzie Bear

Yeah, clearly there is no relationship between revenue and taxation. /

Raise taxes, raise spending, it is the washington way.

236 RadicalModerate  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 2:39:09pm

re: #207 Buck

Do you consider Code pink to be radical? Is MoveON.org radical? The people protesting Bush for 8 years, with all that open anti semitism... were they radical? Was Michael Moore, and Fahrenheit 9/11 radical?

Taken over? That is an exaggeration. One that is repeated every cycle by the people who support the party in power. The others are crazy, and being taken over by crazies.

IF you had denounced the crazies on the Left at anytime in the last cycle, you would have credibility with me, but I understand you were 12 or something... so it is understandable that you think this is all new.

Tell you what - when Code Pink, MoveOn, or Michael Moore get even CLOSE to what bonafide members of the far right have done in the past couple of decades, we might have room for discussion - because quite honestly, I can't say that I've seen the equivalent of a Timothy McVeigh, Eric Rudolph or William "Bill" White (not to be confused with the current Texas Gubernatorial candidate) springing from (or being championed by) the so-called "far left".

237 alexknyc  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 2:39:39pm

re: #229 Buck

No they were at many polling places... they just got caught at the wrong place.

However is your point really that if they were at the wrong place, it is OK?

No, my point is what I said it was.

238 jamesfirecat  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 2:39:56pm

re: #236 RadicalModerate

Tell you what - when Code Pink, MoveOn, or Michael Moore get even CLOSE to what bonafide members of the far right have done in the past couple of decades, we might have room for discussion - because quite honestly, I can't say that I've seen the equivalent of a Timothy McVeigh, Eric Rudolph or William "Bill" White (not to be confused with the current Texas Gubernatorial candidate) springing from (or being championed by) the so-called "far left".

WEATHER UNDERGROUND BILL AYERS!

In before anyone else!

239 filetandrelease  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 2:40:02pm

re: #232 webevintage

Then you should support "Obama Care" and the end of the Bush tax cuts.
[Link: cboblog.cbo.gov...]


Not.

240 jamesfirecat  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 2:40:38pm

re: #239 filetandrelease

Not.

Why not?

Those are both things which would reduce the deficit!

241 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 2:40:57pm

re: #240 jamesfirecat

Why not?

Those are both things which would reduce the deficit!

The CBO is a communist plot.

242 alexknyc  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 2:42:01pm

re: #240 jamesfirecat

Why not?

Those are both things which would reduce the deficit!

I'm not 100% convinced that's true for ObamaCare.

And, for the record, I am in favor of letting the Bush tax cuts expire.

243 filetandrelease  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 2:42:15pm

re: #240 jamesfirecat

Why not?

Those are both things which would reduce the deficit!

Obama care is going to reduce the deficit? Put down the cool aid, and walk away slowly.

244 RadicalModerate  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 2:42:24pm

re: #238 jamesfirecat

WEATHER UNDERGROUND BILL AYERS!

In before anyone else!

Twenty years before any of the guys I listed, and his body count (unlike any of the three I noted) was zero.

245 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 2:42:58pm

re: #235 filetandrelease

Raise taxes, raise spending, it is the washington way.

Total abandonment of any hope for the future in favor of the sweet nihilistic embrace of radical revolutionary rhetoric. It's the Tea Party way.

246 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 2:43:23pm

re: #241 Fozzie Bear

The CBO is a communist plot.

re: #243 filetandrelease

Obama care is going to reduce the deficit? Put down the cool aid, and walk away slowly.

See?

247 jamesfirecat  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 2:44:23pm

re: #244 RadicalModerate

Twenty years before any of the guys I listed, and his body count (unlike any of the three I noted) was zero.

Clearly I suffer from sarcasm fail.

Though if I was actually on the right I'd argue that [Link: en.wikipedia.org...] Bill Ayers had a body count of at least one....

248 filetandrelease  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 2:49:26pm

re: #245 Fozzie Bear

Total abandonment of any hope for the future in favor of the sweet nihilistic embrace of radical revolutionary rhetoric. It's the Tea Party way.

What are you taking about? The revolution is in Nov, and we have more than hope.

Thanks for the chat, later.

249 Buck  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 2:50:28pm

re: #236 RadicalModerate

....Code Pink, MoveOn, or Michael Moore ....Timothy McVeigh, Eric Rudolph or William "Bill" White .....

You name three violent people to compare with three radical groups I was saying influenced the democratic party.

Are you saying that Timothy McVeigh, Eric Rudolph or William "Bill" White had any political clout in the Republican party?

I think you just walked into "not on topic" street. Thanks.

250 garhighway  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 2:50:56pm

re: #202 filetandrelease

A far more difficult question to answer. It is not necessarily my rights I am concerned with at this point. But the huge debt we as a country are accumulating. Starting under the Bush administration it began to spiral. Now it is simply getting out of control. Last month we gave 800 million to the Palastinians as an example.

We can't keep spending what we don't have or what we have will become worth less.

I mentioned this yesterday, but it bears repeating if we are talking fiscal policy.

I attended a presentation yesterday by an economist. He is the chief economist for a Fortune 500 (that I cannot name: sorry) that advises senior management. He has a team of 9 and they put together various kinds of forecasts. He was presenting his team's economic forecast through 2015. Their midpoint projection runs like this:

>From now to 2015: 8 million US jobs created
>Unemployment down to 6%
>Interest rates stay low
>Inflation stays low
>Deficit goes from 10% of GDP to 7%
>A steady but mild recovery throughout, absent someone doing something stupid, like massive credit tightening or the like.

This is what you get from a pro with no axe to grind. He is just trying to give the most accurate midpoint case he can to best advise his bosses. He will never be on Fox or MSNBC, because he doesn't do that, and he would make bad TV.

Their US model has something like 14000 equations driving its output.

He finds nothing remarkable in US monetary or fiscal policy. There has been no fiscal apocalypse, and none is coming unless scaremongers stampede the government into doing something stupid. (He was asked about a "double dip" recession. He said it will not happen unless the Fed loses its mind and tightens credit.)

So what was it you were worried about again?

251 jamesfirecat  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 2:56:59pm

re: #249 Buck

You name three violent people to compare with three radical groups I was saying influenced the democratic party.

Are you saying that Timothy McVeigh, Eric Rudolph or William "Bill" White had any political clout in the Republican party?

I think you just walked into "not on topic" street. Thanks.

How about this then?

John Birch Society, Minutemen, and the Moral Majority?

252 Buck  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 2:59:13pm

re: #233 jamesfirecat

Okay then would you mind providing me with some links to all the stuff I missed?

Especially the part about the elected democrats getting all cozy with people they shouldn't have?

Because I find it hard to believe that the left could have been this crazy for 8 years and suddenly its all cured once we win an election, or if it was then this nation is F***ED.

It is not cured.... just excused. Carter is still promoting Hamas... the Democratic Black Caucus is still in love with the Castro Brothers.

It is OK, you are still very young. It seems all new to you. The TOPIC is comparing the president to Hitler....it happened before Obama...

253 jamesfirecat  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 3:00:02pm

re: #252 Buck

It is not cured... just excused. Carter is still promoting Hamas... the Democratic Black Caucus is still in love with the Castro Brothers.

It is OK, you are still very young. It seems all new to you. The TOPIC is comparing the president to Hitler...it happened before Obama...

I know that, but like I said I haven't seen the kind of politics motivated killing we've had recently from the left, can you give me some proof otherwise?

254 Eclectic Infidel  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 3:02:15pm

re: #30 Charles

This particular sign isn't explicitly racist -- that wasn't my point.

But it's an interesting question whether a white Democratic President would have the same intensity of hatred directed at him. Bill Clinton got a lot of hatred, but it was nowhere near this prevalent and mainstream.

Something about a black liberal President frightens the heebeejeebees out of people, especially since President Obama's past isn't solidly rooted in traditional Anglo-Saxon expectations (where/how he was raised, educated, etc.). I entertain no doubt that if Biden were President, he would not be compared to vile men such as Hitler and Lenin.

255 RadicalModerate  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 3:04:37pm

re: #249 Buck

You name three violent people to compare with three radical groups I was saying influenced the democratic party.

Are you saying that Timothy McVeigh, Eric Rudolph or William "Bill" White had any political clout in the Republican party?

I think you just walked into "not on topic" street. Thanks.

If you had read what I stated, it was that these three were spawned (and in some cases ENCOURAGED) by right-wing groups - many of whom are quite influential in today's politics. Examples: John Birch Society, Council of Conservative Citizens, Family Research Council (who have some rather direct ties to violent anti-abortionists). Add the Limbaughs, Buchanans, Becks, et al stirring the rhetoric to a fever pitch...
Now, once again, name one - ONE violent politically-motivated individual from the left who was directly influenced by the groups and people you cited.

256 Eclectic Infidel  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 3:10:32pm

re: #49 filetandrelease

I don't know how much of a fringe group the new Panther movement is, but the rhetoric they are spewing is far more inflamatory then anything I have heard from the far right.

I'm more comfortable calling the NBP's as militant and radical. Ideologically, I consider them to be on the same page as the KKK when it comes to supremacy, especially since their aims are hopelessly unrealistic.

It's also common these days to align a more militant organization with a left-leaning one, to gain greater acceptance, especially in a crowd that is anti-authority, and anti-oppression. Indeed, politics make strange bedfellows.

257 Macha  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 3:16:14pm

re: #30 Charles

This particular sign isn't explicitly racist -- that wasn't my point.

But it's an interesting question whether a white Democratic President would have the same intensity of hatred directed at him. Bill Clinton got a lot of hatred, but it was nowhere near this prevalent and mainstream.

I think that the President's being black is the vehicle that people are using to express and protest their fear by blaming. If Obama were white, I think that the amount of hatred would be just as substantial. Another vehicle would be found to blame. The difference between now and then is that when Clinton was President, there was money. People had money, made money, could spend money. Now it is the reverse, not to mention disasters and two wars. It has gone mainstream because the recession is felt mainstream.

258 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 3:25:11pm

re: #49 filetandrelease

I don't know how much of a fringe group the new Panther movement is, but the rhetoric they are spewing is far more inflamatory then anything I have heard from the far right.

Probably is, but there's the issue of how many people are listening how hard.

259 CarleeCork  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 3:28:36pm

re: #181 alexknyc

They can still pray before a game, they just can't have a school official lead it.

Public prayer is meant to divide. If you don't pray you must be a godless heathen.

260 Amory Blaine  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 3:42:57pm

re: #226 Buck

You are mistaken. And 9 years ago you were 12...so from age 12 to 19 you missed most of the anti war rallies. You missed the left bombing military recruitment offices. You missed the violent antisemitism from the left.

And you missed how Democratic leaders cozied up to tyrants, antisemites, radicals, and killers.

AGAIN... it isn't exactly the same...except that at the base radicals, crazies, are seen at every event... right or left. Protesting brings out the nutso party.

Im in my 40s. I missed all that shit you said too.

261 RogueOne  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 4:18:40pm

re: #66 Lidane

No one ever accused Clinton of being a foreign usurper who illegally occupies the White House. They also never accused him of being a terrorist sympathizer, a Manchurian candidate-style Al Qaeda plant, or suggested that he celebrated the 9/11 attacks.

Yes, Clinton got a lot of hate, and was accused of everything you mentioned and more. But let's be honest here, Obama's getting a lot more of it than Clinton ever did, and a big part of that is due to his name and his skin color. Some people just lost their damned minds when a black man became President.

It's the same as it has ever been. McCain was the manchurian candidate, not Obama. Clinton was a drug dealing murdering terrorist sympathizer. Bush was a drug addled black people hating moron bent on world domination. It goes on and on. I posted a story here a few weeks ago about how badly the founding fathers spoke of each other. Nothing is ever new and we'll be having this same conversation in a matter of 2-6 years when the new president takes over. The only difference between now and then is the ease with which people are able to make baseless charges and accusations thanks to the internetz.

262 Cato the Elder  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 7:17:08pm

Those "German" and "Russian" typefaces under Hitler and Lenin are pretty pathetic.

263 theheat  Tue, Jul 13, 2010 8:31:08pm

re: #262 Cato the Elder

Particularly when there are some spectacular looking typefaces that were used in German and Russian propaganda posters. Face it, the Tea patriots have more of a MS Paint/Comic Sans sensibility. No real grasp of art history, or world history, save for the occasional quote they pull out of their ass and wave like a flag. They're more fond of misquotes, incorrect attributions, and rewriting history when they think nobody's looking. As a party, they represent a black hole of intellect. (And... their art sucks.)

264 ThomasLite  Wed, Jul 14, 2010 4:08:05am

re: #263 theheat

Particularly when there are some spectacular looking typefaces that were used in German and Russian propaganda posters. Face it, the Tea patriots have more of a MS Paint/Comic Sans sensibility. No real grasp of art history, or world history, save for the occasional quote they pull out of their ass and wave like a flag. They're more fond of misquotes, incorrect attributions, and rewriting history when they think nobody's looking. As a party, they represent a black hole of intellect. (And... their art sucks.)

sure there would be more correct typefaces to use, but who would recognise them? a small minority, I would think.
if this is what would easily provoke the desired suggestion, it's what you use on a billboard.
that's just how advertising works - and not just on the right - everywhere.
not defending the poster, but the typeface choice I can understand, really.


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