When the Stranger says: “What is the meaning of this city�?
Do you huddle close together because you love each other?”
What will you answer? “We all dwell together
To make money from each other”? or “This is a community”?
— T. S. Eliot, The Rock
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Jul 13, 2010 10:31:43pm |
We huddle closer for the warmth. Some of us find love. Many of us find companionship, and friendship, and a place to talk with friends.
At least that is what I have found on LGF, and I thank Charles for it.
And the posters not named above. You know who you are.
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Jul 13, 2010 10:32:40pm |
re: #1 iceweasel
And spankings for a lady now LEEEGAL!
WOO HOOO!
Congratulations, my dear!
(Aboot time!)
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Stanghazi Tue, Jul 13, 2010 10:35:15pm |
OK, I’m the fool who read Sarah Palin’s recent tweets and glanced at her facebook post:
The Charge of Racism: It’s Time to Bury the Divisive Politics of the Past
Like she has a clue. Her whole schtick is about painting Obama as the “bad man” from her McCain campaign speeches (‘paling around with terrorists) to the Politifact lie of the year - Death Panels. To today when she pimps Megyn Kelly and her Black Panther racist fear baiting.
Beyond disgust.
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Stanghazi Tue, Jul 13, 2010 10:35:53pm |
re: #2 Floral Giraffe
We huddle closer for the warmth. Some of us find love. Many of us find companionship, and friendship, and a place to talk with friends.
At least that is what I have found on LGF, and I thank Charles for it.
And the posters not named above. You know who you are.
Dang, and I post a terrible negative!
ugh.
Cheers, love, Ice & Jimmah!
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jul 13, 2010 10:36:18pm |
re: #3 Floral Giraffe
And spankings for a lady…
… at which point The Behemoth stopped reading and His thoughts began to wander off…
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iceweasel Tue, Jul 13, 2010 10:38:32pm |
re: #3 Floral Giraffe
And spankings for a lady now LEEEGAL!
WOO HOOO!
Congratulations, my dear!
(Aboot time!)
CHEERS honey!
OK totally shameless personal post pimping (but also announcement for those who don’t know)
BREAKING DRUDGE: ICEWEASEL AND JIMMAH TO BE REUNITED—TRANSNATIONAL PROGRESSIVISM ReVeALeD!1
WHEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
Big thank you at the bottom to Charles and the LGF community and all those who understand the nature of community. xxxx
I probably wont be around much at all for a couple of weeks dealing with the move, heads up. ;)
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engineer cat Tue, Jul 13, 2010 10:41:10pm |
[Link: dailycaller.com…]
i’ve been predicting the fatal split in the GOP for a long time, and the ugly bags of mostly tea people are finally making it happen
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Jul 13, 2010 10:41:34pm |
re: #7 iceweasel
Oh, Yeah. “Dealing with the move”.
Right….
Nice euphemism.
Still, I wish you the VERY BEST!
And for Jimmah too!
May your road be light, and your day be pleasant.
*smooch*
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iceweasel Tue, Jul 13, 2010 10:43:48pm |
re: #4 Stanley Sea
OK, I’m the fool who read Sarah Palin’s recent tweets and glanced at her facebook post:
Like she has a clue. Her whole schtick is about painting Obama as the “bad man” from her McCain campaign speeches (‘paling around with terrorists) to the Politifact lie of the year - Death Panels. To today when she pimps Megyn Kelly and her Black Panther racist fear baiting.
Beyond disgust.
Palin is all about the politics of personal grievance, and the personal is political for her in a way never envisioned by those who invented and use that slogan (that would be feminists).
Everything’s personal for Palin. I firmly believe that Obama is a ‘bad man’ to her because her wittle feelings were hurt when she didn’t get to be VP.
Actually, Palin is all about petty vindictiveness and spite— and opportunism— in her prior ‘political’ career. Now she has a national platform for it.
WTF!? I can’t be serious tonight! I don’t even have much time to hang out, wanted to say hi.
lets get the party started! CRANK IT
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jul 13, 2010 10:45:30pm |
re: #7 iceweasel
Ooh, quite creative. Wait, what? You’re moving to Urop? Fuckin’ traitor.
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iceweasel Tue, Jul 13, 2010 10:49:42pm |
re: #11 Slumbering Behemoth
Ooh, quite creative. Wait, what? You’re moving to Urop? Fuckin’ traitor.
Yurp. I mean Yep, moving to Yurp.
Holy cow. Goddamn i’ll miss it here, but WHEEEE JIMMAH MAH LADDIE!!!
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Gus Tue, Jul 13, 2010 10:50:08pm |
re: #10 iceweasel
Palin is all about the politics of personal grievance, and the personal is political for her in a way never envisioned by those who invented and use that slogan (that would be feminists).
Everything’s personal for Palin. I firmly believe that Obama is a ‘bad man’ to her because her wittle feelings were hurt when she didn’t get to be VP.
Actually, Palin is all about petty vindictiveness and spite— and opportunism— in her prior ‘political’ career. Now she has a national platform for it.WTF!? I can’t be serious tonight! I don’t even have much time to hang out, wanted to say hi.
lets get the party started! CRANK IT
[Video]
You can’t leave!
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Gus Tue, Jul 13, 2010 10:52:01pm |
re: #12 iceweasel
Yurp. I mean Yep, moving to Yurp.
Holy cow. Goddamn i’ll miss it here, but WHEEE JIMMAH MAH LADDIE!!!
Not to probe but what happens when the Visa expires? You planning on becoming a “Royal Subject”?
If you’d rather leave that to email just say the word.
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Gus Tue, Jul 13, 2010 10:53:42pm |
re: #15 iceweasel
GUS!!! What’s happening???
Tired, worried, cranky, awake. The usual. Just bought one Guinness bomber for tonight and one “airline sized” shot of whisky. I take it you’re still packing?
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Cato the Elder Tue, Jul 13, 2010 10:55:20pm |
Woot woot!
An Eliot thread.
Here’s my favorite poem by the Old Possum:
LINES FOR AN OLD MAN
The tiger in the tiger pit
is not more irritable than I.
The whipping tail is not more still
Than when I smell the enemy
Writhing in the essential blood
Or dangling from the friendly tree.
When I lay bare the tooth of wit
The hissing over the arche’d tongue
Is more affectionate than hate,
More bitter than the love of youth,
And inaccessible by the young.
Reflected from my golden eye
The dullard knows that he is mad.
Tell me if I am not glad!— T.S. Eliot
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Jul 13, 2010 11:01:03pm |
Frank says…
A world of sexual incompetents, encountering each other, under disco circumstances… why can’t you do songs about that?
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watching you tiny alien kittens are Tue, Jul 13, 2010 11:01:18pm |
When the Stranger says: “What is the meaning of this city ?
Do you huddle close together because you love each other?”
What will you answer? “We all dwell together
To make money from each other”? or “This is a community”?
My answer is that there are attractive women here, and I want to get…err…ohh, uhh, community, yeah, I’m all for that, community is definitely a good thing, right?
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iceweasel Tue, Jul 13, 2010 11:01:29pm |
re: #14 Gus 802
Not to probe but what happens when the Visa expires? You planning on becoming a “Royal Subject”?
If you’d rather leave that to email just say the word.
Hey! No prob. No, the general situation with a spousal visa is you get a settlement visa, which means 2 years permission to live there and you’re more or less automatically upgraded to a LTR visa after 2 years: “permanent leave to remain”.
I haven’t thought about getting citizenship there. I don’t need to. It’s an easy process for a US citizen with the LTR visa at that point, though. I might just for the heck of it.
In any case I retain US citizenship no matter what.
HEY WINGNUTS! I COULD BE VOTING LEFTY IN TWO COUNTRIES QUITE SOON!/
But I’ll always be a US voter and citizen, no matter where I am. :)
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Jul 13, 2010 11:01:31pm |
re: #19 Cato the Elder
Yes, well, you do it very well!
*waves*
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iceweasel Tue, Jul 13, 2010 11:02:26pm |
re: #20 Floral Giraffe
Frank says…
A world of sexual incompetents, encountering each other, under disco circumstances… why can’t you do songs about that?
Because no one wants songs about griefhole blogs and Free Republic?
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Jul 13, 2010 11:03:04pm |
re: #22 iceweasel
Hey! No prob. No, the general situation with a spousal visa is you get a settlement visa, which means 2 years permission to live there and you’re more or less automatically upgraded to a LTR visa after 2 years: “permanent leave to remain”.
I haven’t thought about getting citizenship there. I don’t need to. It’s an easy process for a US citizen with the LTR visa at that point, though. I might just for the heck of it.
In any case I retain US citizenship no matter what.HEY WINGNUTS! I COULD BE VOTING LEFTY IN TWO COUNTRIES QUITE SOON!/
But I’ll always be a US voter and citizen, no matter where I am. :)
Ruh, roh…
Ice for President?
You could LIKE it!
LOL!
She’s got other, ahem, fish to fry!
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Gus Tue, Jul 13, 2010 11:03:42pm |
re: #22 iceweasel
Hey! No prob. No, the general situation with a spousal visa is you get a settlement visa, which means 2 years permission to live there and you’re more or less automatically upgraded to a LTR visa after 2 years: “permanent leave to remain”.
I haven’t thought about getting citizenship there. I don’t need to. It’s an easy process for a US citizen with the LTR visa at that point, though. I might just for the heck of it.
In any case I retain US citizenship no matter what.HEY WINGNUTS! I COULD BE VOTING LEFTY IN TWO COUNTRIES QUITE SOON!/
But I’ll always be a US voter and citizen, no matter where I am. :)
Sounds nice. I assume you’ve been to Europe already. Either way now you’ll just be a short trip away from a cultural paradise. Spain, France, Austria, Germany, Portugal!
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Cato the Elder Tue, Jul 13, 2010 11:06:24pm |
re: #27 Gus 802
Sounds nice. I assume you’ve been to Europe already. Either way now you’ll just be a short trip away from a cultural paradise. Spain, France, Austria, Germany, Portugal!
And eventually she’ll have EU citizenship, if she wants it. Which means you can live and work in any of those countries, no questions asked.
I’m damned jealous right now and looking for a Jimmette.
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iceweasel Tue, Jul 13, 2010 11:06:38pm |
re: #27 Gus 802
Sounds nice. I assume you’ve been to Europe already. Either way now you’ll just be a short trip away from a cultural paradise. Spain, France, Austria, Germany, Portugal!
Yup! I mean Yurp! Been before, lived there before — so many places I havent been to though! R
eally need to sort stuff out. Jimmah and I had originally talked about doing a 2 or 3 month trip, then this all took way longer than we expected (and cost way more). So, we’ll see. Travel is most definitely on the menu though!
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Jul 13, 2010 11:08:42pm |
re: #29 iceweasel
May you & Jimmah live happily ever after!
And all your dreams come true!
Best wishes for the both of you.
Namaste, I’m out.
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Gus Tue, Jul 13, 2010 11:09:45pm |
re: #28 Cato the Elder
And eventually she’ll have EU citizenship, if she wants it. Which means you can live and work in any of those countries, no questions asked.
I’m damned jealous right now and looking for a Jimmette.
I’m jealous too. Being able to cross the border without having to go through the ordeal of paperwork all the time.
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iceweasel Tue, Jul 13, 2010 11:09:56pm |
re: #28 Cato the Elder
And eventually she’ll have EU citizenship, if she wants it. Which means you can live and work in any of those countries, no questions asked.
I’m damned jealous right now and looking for a Jimmette.
That’s the thing about the EU citizenship. Living and working totally opens up. jimmah really would like to live here for a while though, and I really would like to come back here eventually.
I really want to live everywhere, go everywhere I can, to be honest. life is too short. :(
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iceweasel Tue, Jul 13, 2010 11:11:50pm |
re: #31 Gus 802
I’m jealous too. Being able to cross the border without having to go through the ordeal of paperwork all the time.
EU passport just makes it damned helpful if you’re a US citizen travelling at times. Step to the left!! /
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iceweasel Tue, Jul 13, 2010 11:13:23pm |
re: #16 Gus 802
Tired, worried, cranky, awake. The usual. Just bought one Guinness bomber for tonight and one “airline sized” shot of whisky. I take it you’re still packing?
I have all kinds of crazy shit to do that I couldnt do til I knew for sure I’d be leaving now and not say in another 3 months. Mail forwarding, banking transfers, tons of shit.
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Gus Tue, Jul 13, 2010 11:14:24pm |
re: #33 iceweasel
EU passport just makes it damned helpful if you’re a US citizen travelling at times. Step to the left!! /
Socialism! Would be nice to parks yourself in France. 2 years later in Spain, etc. I came across an official EU employment site a couple of years ago. Had a listing of jobs all across Europe.
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Nimed Tue, Jul 13, 2010 11:16:05pm |
re: #7 iceweasel
CHEERS honey!
OK totally shameless personal post pimping (but also announcement for those who don’t know)
BREAKING DRUDGE: ICEWEASEL AND JIMMAH TO BE REUNITED—TRANSNATIONAL PROGRESSIVISM ReVeALeD!1
WHEEE!
Big thank you at the bottom to Charles and the LGF community and all those who understand the nature of community. xxx
I probably wont be around much at all for a couple of weeks dealing with the move, heads up. ;)
Congrats, and welcome to… THE EUROPEAN UNION, fellow resident iceweasel. Have a decadent song!
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Gus Tue, Jul 13, 2010 11:16:10pm |
re: #34 iceweasel
I have all kinds of crazy shit to do that I couldnt do til I knew for sure I’d be leaving now and not say in another 3 months. Mail forwarding, banking transfers, tons of shit.
Good thing the Euro is down. Well, it’s not really good for Europe but it will mean the currency exchange will have less of an impact then it would have 2 years ago.
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Cato the Elder Tue, Jul 13, 2010 11:17:38pm |
re: #32 iceweasel
That’s the thing about the EU citizenship. Living and working totally opens up. jimmah really would like to live here for a while though, and I really would like to come back here eventually.
I really want to live everywhere, go everywhere I can, to be honest. life is too short. :(
OK, sweets, here’s a Prosit in German to your new life. From the same group I’ve been linking recently. It’s a proletarian song about travelling around and working where you please.
CRANK IT!
[Link: www.myvideo.de…]
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Sol Berdinowitz Tue, Jul 13, 2010 11:18:17pm |
We huddled in cities out of self-defence.
Bacharach on the Rhine was a gated community long before they became the rage in the US, gated, turreted, moated, with hot and cold running oil.
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iceweasel Tue, Jul 13, 2010 11:20:38pm |
re: #35 Gus 802
Socialism! Would be nice to parks yourself in France. 2 years later in Spain, etc. I came across an official EU employment site a couple of years ago. Had a listing of jobs all across Europe.
To be honest its hard to take in, we’re just overwhelmed with joy at being together permanently. I can barely think beyond stuff like being able to cook for him every day. Well, maybe some other things too. *cough* But yeah, this is fantastic on many levels, work as well.
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Gus Tue, Jul 13, 2010 11:21:48pm |
re: #41 iceweasel
To be honest its hard to take in, we’re just overwhelmed with joy at being together permanently. I can barely think beyond stuff like being able to cook for him every day. Well, maybe some other things too. *cough* But yeah, this is fantastic on many levels, work as well.
You taking a lap-top with you?
| 43 |
Nimed Tue, Jul 13, 2010 11:24:24pm |
re: #35 Gus 802
Socialism! Would be nice to parks yourself in France. 2 years later in Spain, etc. I came across an official EU employment site a couple of years ago. Had a listing of jobs all across Europe.
Oh right, French socialism!
Les bourgeois, c’est comme les cochons
Plus ça devient vieux, plus ça devient bête
| 44 |
iceweasel Tue, Jul 13, 2010 11:25:04pm |
re: #42 Gus 802
You taking a lap-top with you?
Oh heck yeah! Hey, i’ll be in touch with YOU and friends constantly. ;) I just wont be on LGF much for a week or two. Once we’re together we’ll have a nice little daily rhythm, believe me we’ll still be here.
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Gus Tue, Jul 13, 2010 11:26:45pm |
re: #44 iceweasel
Oh heck yeah! Hey, i’ll be in touch with YOU and friends constantly. ;) I just wont be on LGF much for a week or two. Once we’re together we’ll have a nice little daily rhythm, believe me we’ll still be here.
OK, cool. That’s what I figured. Being a night owl I’m sure once you’re back I’ll always be here. Unless I flip out or something. ;)
| 46 |
iceweasel Tue, Jul 13, 2010 11:28:03pm |
re: #45 Gus 802
OK, cool. That’s what I figured. Being a night owl I’m sure once you’re back I’ll always be here. Unless I flip out or something. ;)
Oh hey, we’re going to be in touch constantly. :)
back later!
| 47 |
Gus Tue, Jul 13, 2010 11:28:29pm |
| 48 |
Nimed Tue, Jul 13, 2010 11:29:07pm |
re: #41 iceweasel
To be honest its hard to take in, we’re just overwhelmed with joy at being together permanently. I can barely think beyond stuff like being able to cook for him every day. Well, maybe some other things too. *cough* But yeah, this is fantastic on many levels, work as well.
You’ll have to have opinions on all things EU now. Should we let the Turks in? Does it make sense to have an European army? Berlusconi — worse than Bush?
| 49 |
Cato the Elder Tue, Jul 13, 2010 11:30:59pm |
re: #38 Cato the Elder
First verse and chorus:
Lustig, lustig, ihr lieben Brüder,
leget alle die Arbeit nieder,
Und trinkt ein Glas Champagnerwein.
Denn unser Handwerk, das ist verdorben,
die besten Saufbrüder sind gestorben,
Es lebet keiner mehr als ich und du.
Translation:
Let’s all be merry, my dear brothers,
lay down our work and go on strike,
And drink a glass of Champagne wine!
For our trade is gone and ruined,
the best tipplers are all dead,
there’s no one left but me and you.
| 50 |
iceweasel Tue, Jul 13, 2010 11:35:20pm |
re: #47 Gus 802
Later Ice.
Dammit. Ok, crack LGF researchers can help me out. What’s the earliest in the morning a UPS package can arrive?
| 51 |
Gus Tue, Jul 13, 2010 11:36:12pm |
re: #50 iceweasel
Dammit. Ok, crack LGF researchers can help me out. What’s the earliest in the morning a UPS package can arrive?
8 AM?
| 52 |
iceweasel Tue, Jul 13, 2010 11:38:15pm |
re: #51 Gus 802
8 AM?
Hmm. I think it might be earlier for some things. Crap. Ok, this may mean I’m back here tonight, just saying.
back in a bit, have fun overnight people!
| 53 |
Gus Tue, Jul 13, 2010 11:40:24pm |
re: #43 Nimed
Oh right, French socialism!
Les bourgeois, c’est comme les cochons
Plus ça devient vieux, plus ça devient bête[Video]
Nice. This was one of his airplanes.
Image: 800px-Atuona_-_Espace_Jacques_Brel_-_Jojo_%282%29.JPG
He passed away at the age of 49 from lung cancer.
| 54 |
Gus Tue, Jul 13, 2010 11:42:58pm |
| 55 |
Cato the Elder Tue, Jul 13, 2010 11:43:02pm |
Nobody better be dissin’ Jacques Brel in my presence. I will work you over, fuck you up, and put you down.
| 57 |
Sol Berdinowitz Tue, Jul 13, 2010 11:45:37pm |
re: #53 Gus 802
Nice. This was one of his airplanes.
Image: 800px-Atuona_-_Espace_Jacques_Brel_-_Jojo_%282%29. JPG
He passed away at the age of 49 from lung cancer.
I thought he was alive and well and living in Paris…
| 58 |
Gus Tue, Jul 13, 2010 11:46:22pm |
re: #57 ralphieboy
I thought he was alive and well and living in Paris…
April 1929 – 9 October 1978
[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]
| 59 |
Sol Berdinowitz Tue, Jul 13, 2010 11:51:48pm |
re: #58 Gus 802
April 1929 – 9 October 1978
[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]
Then how do you explain this wili entry?
[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]
| 60 |
Gus Tue, Jul 13, 2010 11:53:57pm |
re: #59 ralphieboy
Then how do you explain this wili entry?
[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]
That’s just the title of the musical revue.
| 61 |
Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Jul 14, 2010 12:03:30am |
re: #60 Gus 802
That’s just the title of the musical revue.
No, you don’t understand how blogging works:
When I find an unrelated piece of information that supports my preconceived point of view, I do not check the sources and ignore all details that do not support my argument, while fixating on it the the point of obsession.
And tell me, has anyone actually seen the original Jacues Brel’s death certificate?
No, of course, all we get is a copy of a “certificate of live death”, which proves my point.
Shal I send you a copy of my 300-page legal petition to the French Supreme Court, entitles “In Search of the Un-Brel-La?
/
| 62 |
Gus Wed, Jul 14, 2010 12:04:37am |
re: #61 ralphieboy
No, you don’t understand how blogging works:
When I find an unrelated piece of information that supports my preconceived point of view, I do not check the sources and ignore all details that do not support my argument, while fixating on it the the point of obsession.
And tell me, has anyone actually seen the original Jacues Brel’s death certificate?
No, of course, all we get is a copy of a “certificate of live death”, which proves my point.
Shal I send you a copy of my 300-page legal petition to the French Supreme Court, entitles “In Search of the Un-Brel-La?
/
300 pages of Oily Taste?
/
| 63 |
Gus Wed, Jul 14, 2010 12:05:47am |
Cool photos here: 1960’s NYC In Black & White 3 pages.
| 65 |
Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Jul 14, 2010 12:19:07am |
| 66 |
Gus Wed, Jul 14, 2010 12:22:52am |
re: #65 ralphieboy
Like a rolling Silverstone…
A whitewall too. Get a load of the cobblestone street. Phone booth. Not sure but that might be a stone sidewalk.
| 68 |
Gus Wed, Jul 14, 2010 12:43:40am |
re: #67 Cato the Elder
HUGE upding!
Dylan Kicking a Tire
1963Artist • Subject
Bob DylanGroup
Bob DylanGenre
RockDate
1963Event
going to breakfastLocation
NYC Street
New York, NY
| 69 |
Gus Wed, Jul 14, 2010 12:50:35am |
| 70 |
Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Jul 14, 2010 1:07:56am |
| 71 |
Cato the Elder Wed, Jul 14, 2010 1:42:12am |
Song of American Exceptionalism
Oh, Americkay it is the crack -
on that all men agree.
Magyars would rather die in Nyack
Than thrive in Hungary.
The Poles would all give up Krakow
to work for squat in Boise,
and Germans do without their Bräu
if they could sweat in Joisey.
The Thais would quit their beaches
and sail here in small boats
and work as waiters, bustin’ breaches,
while th’ almighty dollar bloats.
The far Cathayans, man for man,
come full of believage,
To watch on cable, while they can
Lilo’s amazing cleavage.
Yes, Americkay is many things,
but mostly full of shit.
If you believe all folks want in,
You’ve ne’er seen the world, you twit.
—Copyright © 2010 Cato the Elder
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Jul 14, 2010 1:46:43am |
re: #71 Cato the Elder
Very well done, sir.
Speaking of Jacques Brel. Did you know that the Terry Jacks song “Seasons in the Sun” was a Jacques Brel song?
I didn’t know it til you mentioned him earlier and I went googling.
| 73 |
Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Jul 14, 2010 2:29:31am |
re: #72 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Very well done, sir.
Speaking of Jacques Brel. Did you know that the Terry Jacks song “Seasons in the Sun” was a Jacques Brel song?
I didn’t know it til you mentioned him earlier and I went googling.
Oh, those one-hit wonders of the 70’s…
| 74 |
rwdflynavy Wed, Jul 14, 2010 2:35:50am |
Good Morning Lizards!
In honor of the 50th Anniversary of To Kill a Mockingbird, I offer this book review by resident sage, Homer Simpson:
“Books are useless! I only ever read one book, “To Kill A Mockingbird,” and it gave me absolutely no insight on how to kill mockingbirds! Sure it taught me not to judge a man by the color of his skin…but what good does *that* do me? “
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Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Jul 14, 2010 2:55:33am |
re: #74 rwdflynavy
Good Morning Lizards!
In honor of the 50th Anniversary of To Kill a Mockingbird, I offer this book review by resident sage, Homer Simpson:
“Books are useless! I only ever read one book, “To Kill A Mockingbird,” and it gave me absolutely no insight on how to kill mockingbirds! Sure it taught me not to judge a man by the color of his skin…but what good does *that* do me? “
And Homer tossing is copy of “The Lottery” by Shirley Jackson on the fire when he finds out it does not contain any tips on how to win….
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Jul 14, 2010 2:58:05am |
I have seen these guys live :D
| 77 |
laZardo Wed, Jul 14, 2010 3:21:47am |
Evening folks.
Just FYI, the power is still on. However, class got suspended because the power went out on the light rail.
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iceweasel Wed, Jul 14, 2010 3:46:07am |
re: #71 Cato the Elder
HA!
(not really here, just saying hi to everyone— and also, that was brilliant!!)
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rwdflynavy Wed, Jul 14, 2010 4:03:05am |
Ice,
Congrats to you and Jimmah! I know it has been a long frustratingly hard road. Now go get packed!!
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RogueOne Wed, Jul 14, 2010 4:11:13am |
re: #41 iceweasel
To be honest its hard to take in, we’re just overwhelmed with joy at being together permanently. I can barely think beyond stuff like being able to cook for him every day. Well, maybe some other things too. *cough* But yeah, this is fantastic on many levels, work as well.
While you’re there maybe you can look into wtf the brits were thinking here:
Did BP Ask For Lockerbie Bomber’s Release? U.S. Senators Seek Probe Of Al-Megrahi Emancipation
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com…]
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rwdflynavy Wed, Jul 14, 2010 4:13:22am |
re: #80 RogueOne
While you’re there maybe you can look into wtf the brits were thinking here:
Did BP Ask For Lockerbie Bomber’s Release? U.S. Senators Seek Probe Of Al-Megrahi Emancipation
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com…]
Morning Rogue!
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RogueOne Wed, Jul 14, 2010 4:19:46am |
re: #81 rwdflynavy
Ready for the X tomorrow? I have to wait until saturday to get mine. I ordered an Incredible the day before they announced the X and it won’t be here until then. Once I get that in my hands I can exchange it for the X for a nominal $35 fee.
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rwdflynavy Wed, Jul 14, 2010 4:21:56am |
re: #82 RogueOne
Ready for the X tomorrow? I have to wait until saturday to get mine. I ordered an Incredible the day before they announced the X and it won’t be here until then. Once I get that in my hands I can exchange it for the X for a nominal $35 fee.
I called Best Buy yesterday and they are supposed to call me before tomorrow to schedule an appointment. I’m stoked!!
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Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Jul 14, 2010 4:22:16am |
re: #80 RogueOne
While you’re there maybe you can look into wtf the brits were thinking here:
Did BP Ask For Lockerbie Bomber’s Release? U.S. Senators Seek Probe Of Al-Megrahi Emancipation
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com…]
Of course they effing did, and of course they were sure not to leave any fingerprints on the deal.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Wed, Jul 14, 2010 4:24:52am |
re: #78 iceweasel
HA!
(not really here, just saying hi to everyone— and also, that was brilliant!!)
Good morning, {ice}. Sounds like you’ve got a fun road ahead of you.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Jul 14, 2010 4:55:54am |
One of my favoritest stories… kind of goes well with the thread…
One day an old man was rocking on his porch when a moving van drove up. The driver asked, “What kind of people live in this town?”
“Well,” the old man replied, “What kind of people live where you came from?” The driver responded, “They were the meanest, most unfriendly people you’ve ever heard of!” The old man sighed, “Drive on, because the same kind of people live here.”
The next day another moving van drove by and the driver asked the same question, “What kind of people live in this town?” “Well,” the old man asked, “What kind of people live where you came from?” The driver responded, “They were the kindest, friendliest people you’ve ever seen!” The old man smiled, “You’ll love it here, because the same kind of people live here too!”
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Jul 14, 2010 5:03:11am |
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RogueOne Wed, Jul 14, 2010 5:08:02am |
This is funny:
Serial Butt-Biting GOP Operative Sinks Teeth Into Texas Race
[Link: motherjones.com…]
Meet Charles Hurth III. The Missouri lawyer has a long history of setting up under-the-radar groups to help Republican operatives game elections. But the most sordid thing about Hurth’s past is not his political scheming. He’s also what you might call a serial butt-biter, with a well-publicized track record of sinking his teeth into the rumps of college coeds. He recently struck again in Texas—not by biting derrieres, but by spearheading an apparent GOP dirty trick to derail a Democrat’s gubernatorial bid.
I think “college co-ed butt biter” would look great on a resume.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Jul 14, 2010 5:13:18am |
re: #90 RogueOne
I kind of remember thinking it was fishy back then…
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reine.de.tout Wed, Jul 14, 2010 5:14:20am |
Good morning all!
This certainly is odd news:
Bristol and and Levi are engaged.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Jul 14, 2010 5:16:27am |
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reine.de.tout Wed, Jul 14, 2010 5:19:17am |
re: #94 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
The things our children do to us.
Sigh.
And how are YOUR children (including daughter’s boyfriend in that question).
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MandyManners Wed, Jul 14, 2010 5:19:54am |
re: #93 reine.de.tout
Good morning all!
This certainly is odd news:
Bristol and and Levi are engaged.
Let’s break out into a chorus of “True Love”.
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MandyManners Wed, Jul 14, 2010 5:21:04am |
re: #94 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
The things our children do to us.
Sigh.
Two healthy, good-looking and fertile adults? Whatcha’ gonna’ do?
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reine.de.tout Wed, Jul 14, 2010 5:21:36am |
re: #96 MandyManners
Let’s break out into a chorus of “True Love”.
Oh ick.
That situation is so weird, and with this news, getting weirder all the time.
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RogueOne Wed, Jul 14, 2010 5:21:38am |
re: #93 reine.de.tout
Good morning all!
This certainly is odd news:
Bristol and and Levi are engaged.
WTF is wrong with her? The boy went off the deep end acting like a publicity whore and she thinks that’s a good start to a marriage? Young women are dumb. There, I said it.
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reine.de.tout Wed, Jul 14, 2010 5:22:15am |
re: #99 RogueOne
WTF is wrong with her? The boy went off the deep end acting like a publicity whore and she thinks that’s a good start to a marriage? Young women are dumb. There, I said it.
Agreed with all of it.
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reine.de.tout Wed, Jul 14, 2010 5:24:06am |
Lawdy, today is gonna be miserable. Our weather:
Hot and dry. Well, dry in the sense that there will be no rain. Currently we’ve got 91% humidity and we’re on the way to 96°. O-press-ive!
Ugh. There’ll be no stepping outside today!
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MandyManners Wed, Jul 14, 2010 5:28:40am |
re: #98 reine.de.tout
Oh ick.
That situation is so weird, and with this news, getting weirder all the time.
I’m all for them if they can make it work. If I’d heard allegations of DV, I’d have reservations but, I’ve heard none. Now, if the MFM would just leave them alone if that is what the couple wants. And, both sets of in-laws.
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RogueOne Wed, Jul 14, 2010 5:29:08am |
re: #100 reine.de.tout
I might be a little more cynical than usual. I’m still having issues with the teenage SiL and the 31yr old drunken ex-con and I’m unsure how to deal with it. I have to take off but I’ll probably be asking for advice from the parents of teens around here. (I’m looking at you FBV).
BBL
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MandyManners Wed, Jul 14, 2010 5:30:29am |
re: #99 RogueOne
WTF is wrong with her? The boy went off the deep end acting like a publicity whore and she thinks that’s a good start to a marriage? Young women are dumb. There, I said it.
Well, he’s dealing with a pretty strong-willed future mother-in-law.
If he has apologized and forgiveness had been given, it’s up to the two of them.
Ah, shucks. I’m a sucker for young love.
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MandyManners Wed, Jul 14, 2010 5:31:09am |
re: #103 RogueOne
I might be a little more cynical than usual. I’m still having issues with the teenage SiL and the 31yr old drunken ex-con and I’m unsure how to deal with it. I have to take off but I’ll probably be asking for advice from the parents of teens around here. (I’m looking at you FBV).
BBL
Ride him out of town on a rail!
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reine.de.tout Wed, Jul 14, 2010 5:31:52am |
re: #102 MandyManners
I’m all for them if they can make it work. If I’d heard allegations of DV, I’d have reservations but, I’ve heard none. Now, if the MFM would just leave them alone if that is what the couple wants. And, both sets of in-laws.
Levi just is not mature enough, IMO. Neither is Bristol probably, though she comes off a bit better than he does.
re: #104 MandyManners
Well, he’s dealing with a pretty strong-willed future mother-in-law.
If he has apologized and forgiveness had been given, it’s up to the two of them.
Ah, shucks. I’m a sucker for young love.
Young love is dangerous, I think you’ll find out as the kid grows up. oh, golly, the drama!
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MandyManners Wed, Jul 14, 2010 5:37:19am |
re: #106 reine.de.tout
Young love is dangerous, I think you’ll find out as the kid grows up. oh, golly, the drama!
Nooo. I’ve a boy! I thought boys are drama-free! No one told me. I want my money back!
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reine.de.tout Wed, Jul 14, 2010 5:40:46am |
re: #107 MandyManners
Nooo. I’ve a boy! I thought boys are drama-free! No one told me. I want my money back!
LOL.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Jul 14, 2010 5:40:51am |
re: #99 RogueOne
WTF is wrong with her? The boy went off the deep end acting like a publicity whore and she thinks that’s a good start to a marriage? Young women are dumb. There, I said it.
I got a future son in law in rehab for paralysis to show the opposite sex is “dumb as a sack of hammers” also.
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McSpiff Wed, Jul 14, 2010 5:49:43am |
re: #107 MandyManners
Nooo. I’ve a boy! I thought boys are drama-free! No one told me. I want my money back!
Drama free? Heh. Boy drama has the added bonus of “serious threats of physical harm”.
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MandyManners Wed, Jul 14, 2010 5:52:11am |
re: #110 McSpiff
Drama free? Heh. Boy drama has the added bonus of “serious threats of physical harm”.
Thing about boys and their fights with each other, they tend to get resolved quickly.
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reine.de.tout Wed, Jul 14, 2010 5:52:37am |
re: #111 MandyManners
Thing about boys and their fights with each other, they tend to get resolved quickly.
Boys and their gal troubles go on and on and on and on …
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MandyManners Wed, Jul 14, 2010 5:54:10am |
re: #112 reine.de.tout
Boys and their gal troubles go on and on and on and on …
Military boarding school is looking better and better.
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MandyManners Wed, Jul 14, 2010 5:58:05am |
Anyone else following the Libyan ship to Gaza?
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MandyManners Wed, Jul 14, 2010 5:58:16am |
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CapeCoddah Wed, Jul 14, 2010 5:59:38am |
Hiya Mandy.. Hows things? The boy and your mom specifically.
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MandyManners Wed, Jul 14, 2010 6:04:54am |
re: #117 CapeCoddah
Hiya Mandy.. Hows things? The boy and your mom specifically.
She’s off oxygen but still does breathing treatments. That she’s survived a year is amazing and a blessing.
The Kid’s up to his usual Summer stuff of catching—and, thank goodness—releasing lizards and butterflies and following LeBron and the Rockies.
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CapeCoddah Wed, Jul 14, 2010 6:07:32am |
So glad to hear she is holding her own!
LOL, I remember the things we used to catch and not release when we were kids.
We used to have day long contests to see who could catch the most garden snakes and who could get bitten the most!
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MandyManners Wed, Jul 14, 2010 6:12:03am |
re: #119 CapeCoddah
So glad to hear she is holding her own!
LOL, I remember the things we used to catch and not release when we were kids.
We used to have day long contests to see who could catch the most garden snakes and who could get bitten the most!
Once I got past the mud-pie stage, I spent summers staging tap-dance “recitals” and then attending band camp, majorette camp and cheerleader camp.
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MandyManners Wed, Jul 14, 2010 6:12:50am |
re: #120 ryannon
Good morning ladies, nice to see you again!
What are summers like in France? Is it true that not many have air conditioners?
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CapeCoddah Wed, Jul 14, 2010 6:15:14am |
Good Morning ryannon! Hope you are well today!
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MandyManners Wed, Jul 14, 2010 6:16:28am |
At one point last night, a number of bloggers who were using the marine traffic site (the same one I posted yesterday) noted the ship’s GPS tracking had been turned off. This caused some concern, especially after the following video surfaced on the Mere Rhetoric blog.
SNIP
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ryannon Wed, Jul 14, 2010 6:18:29am |
re: #122 MandyManners
What are summers like in France? Is it true that not many have air conditioners?
Summers can be very hot in fits and starts - except on the North and West coasts. A ten-day heat wave has just broken with rain and cooler temps. AC is rare, but people are beginning to buy portable floor units. Except for public places (malls, offices, etc.), I personally prefer to live without. I’ve got an industrial-strength chrome floor fan that keeps me cool at night and I manage quite well that way. All in all, summers are great here!
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MandyManners Wed, Jul 14, 2010 6:21:08am |
re: #124 MandyManners
I’ve found no links to FGM or IHH.
In addition to 15 volunteers – all from Libya, except for a Nigerian and a Moroccan – the ship has a crew of 12 from Cuba, Haiti, India and Syria.
SNIP
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CapeCoddah Wed, Jul 14, 2010 6:21:21am |
re: #121 MandyManners
LOL, I was in the High school marching band, but, no summer camps for it.. we lived a summer camp! While you were at camp, I was tying clothesline to a tree growing thru the rear deck, climbing up on the roof and rappelling down the front of the house with my brother, With some of the stuff we did, no supervision at all, I am amazed we survived. I still shudder to think about the rope swing we put up a mile into the woods at the far end of the pond. No adults knew about it, and if we ever had needed rescue, there would have been no chance. then there was the pooch propelled bike races.. the neighborhood kids tied their respective pooches to bikes, skateboards or red wagons and we had races that the dogs were not happy with. Always ended up in a bloody, human tangle of ropes, hats, shoes and fur, with several pissed off pooches!
My kids, consequently were spied on like common criminals when they went out to play.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Jul 14, 2010 6:21:33am |
re: #122 MandyManners
What are summers like in France? Is it true that not many have air conditioners?
Warm, humid… in the high 80’s, sometimes in the low 90’s… surrounded by three major bodies of water keeps it damp. A lot like the East coast… except in the French Alps.
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ryannon Wed, Jul 14, 2010 6:23:08am |
re: #123 CapeCoddah
Good Morning ryannon! Hope you are well today!
Thank you! I’ve just started major dental work, but everything’s just fine. Especially the fact that the combination of goobermint & employer health insurance is going to pay for just about everything.
Vive el socialismo!
/ but it does work here :-)
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MandyManners Wed, Jul 14, 2010 6:23:58am |
re: #125 ryannon
Summers can be very hot in fits and starts - except on the North and West coasts. A ten-day heat wave has just broken with rain and cooler temps. AC is rare, but people are beginning to buy portable floor units. Except for public places (malls, offices, etc.), I personally prefer to live without. I’ve got an industrial-strength chrome floor fan that keeps me cool at night and I manage quite well that way. All in all, summers are great here!
I knew something was strange when I moved to Seattle and my parents’ house didn’t have AC.
Is the West coast a maritime climate?
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Jul 14, 2010 6:24:01am |
re: #125 ryannon
Summers can be very hot in fits and starts - except on the North and West coasts. A ten-day heat wave has just broken with rain and cooler temps. AC is rare, but people are beginning to buy portable floor units. Except for public places (malls, offices, etc.), I personally prefer to live without. I’ve got an industrial-strength chrome floor fan that keeps me cool at night and I manage quite well that way. All in all, summers are great here!
See my re: #128 Walter L. Newton… that’s precisely why I like to visit in the dead of winter… you can still feel the damp, but it’s at least chilly. (plus off season prices are better).
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CapeCoddah Wed, Jul 14, 2010 6:25:21am |
re: #129 ryannon
Thank you! I’ve just started major dental work, but everything’s just fine. Especially the fact that the combination of goobermint & employer health insurance is going to pay for just about everything.
Vive el socialismo!
/ but it does work here :-)
LOL, Been doing the same here, what a nightmare. except I need to come up with around 15K for it, to start. Dental insurance does not even cover the work I need here. Nothing worse than dental issues..
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MandyManners Wed, Jul 14, 2010 6:25:34am |
re: #127 CapeCoddah
LOL, I was in the High school marching band, but, no summer camps for it.. we lived a summer camp! While you were at camp, I was tying clothesline to a tree growing thru the rear deck, climbing up on the roof and rappelling down the front of the house with my brother, With some of the stuff we did, no supervision at all, I am amazed we survived. I still shudder to think about the rope swing we put up a mile into the woods at the far end of the pond. No adults knew about it, and if we ever had needed rescue, there would have been no chance. then there was the pooch propelled bike races.. the neighborhood kids tied their respective pooches to bikes, skateboards or red wagons and we had races that the dogs were not happy with. Always ended up in a bloody, human tangle of ropes, hats, shoes and fur, with several pissed off pooches!
My kids, consequently were spied on like common criminals when they went out to play.
Sounds like a bit of Heaven! Well, except for the blood and fur.
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MandyManners Wed, Jul 14, 2010 6:26:50am |
re: #128 Walter L. Newton
Warm, humid… in the high 80’s, sometimes in the low 90’s… surrounded by three major bodies of water keeps it damp. A lot like the East coast… except in the French Alps.
If I had to live in a nation other than this one, I’d probably prefer the French Alps. Or, Scotland. Or, Ireland.
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ryannon Wed, Jul 14, 2010 6:27:53am |
re: #130 MandyManners
I knew something was strange when I moved to Seattle and my parents’ house didn’t have AC.
Is the West coast a maritime climate?
The West is Brittany, which is maritime par excellence. As you proceed south down the coast towards Spain, the climate begins to resemble SoCal more than Northern California or points North. You can find just about every time of temperate climate imaginable in France - no real extremes. It’s really propitious to pleasure and good living….
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ryannon Wed, Jul 14, 2010 6:29:57am |
re: #131 Walter L. Newton
See my re: #128 Walter L. Newton… that’s precisely why I like to visit in the dead of winter… you can still feel the damp, but it’s at least chilly. (plus off season prices are better).
I’m not sure about that, but I hope so for your sake. For me, it’s just as expensive all year ‘round. But when you get out into the country, prices can fall by fifty percent. I love the French countryside!
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Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Jul 14, 2010 6:30:08am |
re: #90 RogueOne
re: #85 ralphieboy
I’m not buying the story that the british government wasn’t complicit in this whole thing either. Everyone involved should pay a price and the doctor should have to complete the rest of the terrorists life sentence. The whole thing stinks.
At that level of commerce and politics, the line between government and corporation is hardly distinguishable.
Don’t forget that to this day, the major oil companies get together in the White House to discuss national energy policy. And of course, since this is a national security issue, the deliberations are secret.
Which basically means that they are operating as a government-sponsored cartel.
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MandyManners Wed, Jul 14, 2010 6:31:02am |
re: #135 ryannon
The West is Brittany, which is maritime par excellence. As you proceed south down the coast towards Spain, the climate begins to resemble SoCal more than Northern California or points North. You can find just about every time of temperate climate imaginable in France - no real extremes. It’s really propitious to pleasure and good living…
Is there anything like the US West?
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Jul 14, 2010 6:31:08am |
re: #135 ryannon
The West is Brittany, which is maritime par excellence. As you proceed south down the coast towards Spain, the climate begins to resemble SoCal more than Northern California or points North. You can find just about every time of temperate climate imaginable in France - no real extremes. It’s really propitious to pleasure and good living…
No extremes? I spent good part of July 2001 in Burgundy. I thought the heat and humidity was extremely oppressive… would NEVER visit again in the summer.
Got to reboot for Windows Updates… be back in a bit.
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Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Jul 14, 2010 6:31:29am |
re: #101 reine.de.tout
Lawdy, today is gonna be miserable. Our weather:
Ugh. There’ll be no stepping outside today!
Much the same here on the Rhine, but we are expecting a brief break this week.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Jul 14, 2010 6:31:59am |
re: #136 ryannon
I’m not sure about that, but I hope so for your sake. For me, it’s just as expensive all year ‘round. But when you get out into the country, prices can fall by fifty percent. I love the French countryside!
I’m talking about plane fare and hotel prices… and some of the package deals.
BBIAB.
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CapeCoddah Wed, Jul 14, 2010 6:32:05am |
re: #133 MandyManners
Sounds like a bit of Heaven! Well, except for the blood and fur.
It was pure heaven. Even the blood and fur. We even had the old time small town doctor, whose wife was my 3rd grade teacher. If we needed stitches, we got hauled off to his house into his office off of his kitchen. I could go on for hours about the fun we had year round in that neighborhood. It was called Lakewood Hills, lots of hills, and awesome sledding in the winter, also. It was a great place to be a kid.re: #134 MandyManners
It would be Switzerland for me.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Jul 14, 2010 6:37:10am |
I had a nightmare last night of being at my last job (which I left 8 years ago) being lectured by idiots about their bogus ideas how I should set up my tools. Ugh.
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ryannon Wed, Jul 14, 2010 6:37:27am |
re: #138 MandyManners
Is there anything like the US West?
LOL. The American West could contain France. There’s not much here that would qualify. A few high plateaus that might remind you of something or other, but every square inch of cultivatable land has been settled for thousands of years. They’ve done a lovely job of living intelligently with nature, which is why France is considered as having the most beautiful countryside in the world. Even Especially Burgundy, where Walter apparently had a hard time with the heat. Thing is, if you’ve grown up with AC, you’re just not going to ‘get’ the heat thing. Everyone else just gets through it one way or another, knowing it won’t last forever. Like I say, I rather like it.
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MandyManners Wed, Jul 14, 2010 6:38:44am |
SHE was only 14 when she was forced into marriage with an older man.
Yet within a year of her wedding, Azar Bagheri was charged with adultery and sentenced to be stoned to death.
The sentence could not be carried out until she was 18. So for the past four years, Ms Bagheri has been languishing on death row while the courts waited for her to reach maturity so she could be put to death.
According to Iranian human rights activist Mina Ahadi, Ms Bagheri was denounced by her husband, who accused her of committing adultery with two men.
Ms Ahadi said the teenager had been subjected to two mock stonings. On each occasion she was taken out of her cell and buried up to her shoulders in the yard of Tabriz prison, in northwest Iran, as if being prepared to be pelted to death with stones.
SNIP
Stoning is intended to cause a slow and painful death. Iran’s penal code states: “The size of the stone … shall not be too large to kill the convict by one or two throws, and shall not be too small to be called a stone.”
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rwdflynavy Wed, Jul 14, 2010 6:38:50am |
re: #143 Killgore Trout
I had a nightmare last night of being at my last job (which I left 8 years ago) being lectured by idiots about their bogus ideas how I should set up my tools. Ugh.
Nightmare is over and you are on the coolest blog on the interwebs! Congrats!
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ryannon Wed, Jul 14, 2010 6:39:00am |
re: #143 Killgore Trout
I had a nightmare last night of being at my last job (which I left 8 years ago) being lectured by idiots about their bogus ideas how I should set up my tools. Ugh.
I absolutely hate being told how to do what I already know how to do.
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MandyManners Wed, Jul 14, 2010 6:39:54am |
re: #142 CapeCoddah
It was pure heaven. Even the blood and fur. We even had the old time small town doctor, whose wife was my 3rd grade teacher. If we needed stitches, we got hauled off to his house into his office off of his kitchen. I could go on for hours about the fun we had year round in that neighborhood. It was called Lakewood Hills, lots of hills, and awesome sledding in the winter, also. It was a great place to be a kid.re: #134 MandyManners
It would be Switzerland for me.
Switzerland would be too cold for me.
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MandyManners Wed, Jul 14, 2010 6:40:21am |
re: #143 Killgore Trout
I had a nightmare last night of being at my last job (which I left 8 years ago) being lectured by idiots about their bogus ideas how I should set up my tools. Ugh.
What was the job?
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MandyManners Wed, Jul 14, 2010 6:41:21am |
re: #144 ryannon
LOL. The American West could contain France. There’s not much here that would qualify. A few high plateaus that might remind you of something or other, but every square inch of cultivatable land has been settled for thousands of years. They’ve done a lovely job of living intelligently with nature, which is why France is considered as having the most beautiful countryside in the world.
EvenEspecially Burgundy, where Walter apparently had a hard time with the heat. Thing is, if you’ve grown up with AC, you’re just not going to ‘get’ the heat thing. Everyone else just gets through it one way or another, knowing it won’t last forever. Like I say, I rather like it.
I don’t know if I could adapt.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Jul 14, 2010 6:41:30am |
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ryannon Wed, Jul 14, 2010 6:41:30am |
re: #148 MandyManners
Switzerland would be too cold for me.
It’s not Alaska. You’d be perfectly happy around Lake Geneva.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Jul 14, 2010 6:43:35am |
re: #144 ryannon
LOL. The American West could contain France. There’s not much here that would qualify. A few high plateaus that might remind you of something or other, but every square inch of cultivatable land has been settled for thousands of years. They’ve done a lovely job of living intelligently with nature, which is why France is considered as having the most beautiful countryside in the world.
EvenEspecially Burgundy, where Walter apparently had a hard time with the heat. Thing is, if you’ve grown up with AC, you’re just not going to ‘get’ the heat thing. Everyone else just gets through it one way or another, knowing it won’t last forever. Like I say, I rather like it.
I grew up in Brooklyn NYC, no air, and that’s why I found Burgundy so terribly hot… it was just like where I grew up.
Yes… that area is beautiful, but I found the Chamonix in the Haute-Savoie to be, in my opinion, the most beautiful place in France… but then again, I’m inclined to mountains and high terrain rather than rolling hills.
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CapeCoddah Wed, Jul 14, 2010 6:43:59am |
re: #148 MandyManners
Switzerland would be too cold for me.
I like the cold better than the oppressive heat. We got t-storms last night, thought it was gonna cool us off, it just got worse to the point where having anything, sheets, pajamas, mattress touching you is torture. With the cold, you can always warm up pretty easily. Did I mention I hate air conditioning more than the heat? Always puts me to sleep, which stinks when you are driving a client, and have to have the A/C going.
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MandyManners Wed, Jul 14, 2010 6:44:30am |
re: #145 MandyManners
SHE was only 14 when she was forced into marriage with an older man.
Under Iran’s penal code, adultery is the only crime punishable by stoning as an offence “against divine law”. The death sentence may also be imposed for murder, rape, armed robbery and drug trafficking, but offenders are usually hanged.
Are adulterous men stoned, too? Or is that “divine law” bit applicable only to those with a uterus?
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MandyManners Wed, Jul 14, 2010 6:44:46am |
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MandyManners Wed, Jul 14, 2010 6:45:39am |
re: #151 Killgore Trout
Violin repair.
I knew that was your profession now but I didn’t know you worked for a company that did it, too.
How’re the frogs?
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Jul 14, 2010 6:46:21am |
re: #154 Walter L. Newton
I grew up in Brooklyn NYC, no air, and that’s why I found Burgundy so terribly hot… it was just like where I grew up.
Yes… that area is beautiful, but I found the Chamonix in the Haute-Savoie to be, in my opinion, the most beautiful place in France… but then again, I’m inclined to mountains and high terrain rather than rolling hills.
For those who want to take a scenic tour of the Alps above Chamonix… I suggest this group of pictures…
[Link: www.remontees-mecaniques.net…]
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MandyManners Wed, Jul 14, 2010 6:46:24am |
re: #152 ryannon
It’s not Alaska. You’d be perfectly happy around Lake Geneva.
Cold enough for mink in the winter?
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ryannon Wed, Jul 14, 2010 6:46:47am |
re: #154 Walter L. Newton
I grew up in Brooklyn NYC, no air, and that’s why I found Burgundy so terribly hot… it was just like where I grew up.
Yes… that area is beautiful, but I found the Chamonix in the Haute-Savoie to be, in my opinion, the most beautiful place in France… but then again, I’m inclined to mountains and high terrain rather than rolling hills.
It sounds like you hit Burgundy at just the wrong time. How were the locals taking it? Was there a river or a pond for swimming? When it gets that hot in the country, I either nap or while away the time on the terrace of the local café watching the village go by and talking to folks. It’s a way of life, and it sure suits me…
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CapeCoddah Wed, Jul 14, 2010 6:47:04am |
Have a good one, folks…. gotta go do some actual work today!
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Killgore Trout Wed, Jul 14, 2010 6:48:08am |
re: #158 MandyManners
Frogs are doing well. My largest from has doubled in size in the past week. He’s about an inch long and is starting to explore outside the tadpole refuge. He does go far, maybe a foot or two but he’s starting to explore.
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ryannon Wed, Jul 14, 2010 6:48:16am |
re: #160 MandyManners
Cold enough for mink in the winter?
Sure. And there are some huge fortunes there. You’d fit right in.
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MandyManners Wed, Jul 14, 2010 6:48:49am |
re: #155 CapeCoddah
I like the cold better than the oppressive heat. We got t-storms last night, thought it was gonna cool us off, it just got worse to the point where having anything, sheets, pajamas, mattress touching you is torture. With the cold, you can always warm up pretty easily. Did I mention I hate air conditioning more than the heat? Always puts me to sleep, which stinks when you are driving a client, and have to have the A/C going.
The cold hurts me physically. Living in Denver had me wearing woolen hose, woolen long-johns and silk long-johns under lined denim. I could barely move!
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MandyManners Wed, Jul 14, 2010 6:49:14am |
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MandyManners Wed, Jul 14, 2010 6:49:46am |
re: #163 Killgore Trout
Frogs are doing well. My largest from has doubled in size in the past week. He’s about an inch long and is starting to explore outside the tadpole refuge. He does go far, maybe a foot or two but he’s starting to explore.
You’re gonna’ be an empty-nester soon!
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MandyManners Wed, Jul 14, 2010 6:49:58am |
re: #164 ryannon
Sure. And there are some huge fortunes there. You’d fit right in.
No huge one here.
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Political Atheist Wed, Jul 14, 2010 6:51:07am |
re: #156 MandyManners
You saw the page where we can read that the Quran does not call for stoning? This is utterly on the Iranian government mullahs, not the religion overall. Much of Sharia law is not really in the Quran. It’s the sick bastards allowed to make the more extreme laws and penalties.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Jul 14, 2010 6:51:13am |
re: #161 ryannon
It sounds like you hit Burgundy at just the wrong time. How were the locals taking it? Was there a river or a pond for swimming? When it gets that hot in the country, I either nap or while away the time on the terrace of the local café watching the village go by and talking to folks. It’s a way of life, and it sure suits me…
Of course the locals were fine… I suspect it was par for that time of year. I thought it was oppressive (didn’t ruin my time there, like I said, I grew up with that kind of heat)… but I’ve never visited in the summer since then (been there 6 times in 10 years).
It was in the Chalon-sur-Saône area… Saint Valerin is were I was staying… at an artist retreat.
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reine.de.tout Wed, Jul 14, 2010 6:54:19am |
On my FB this morning:
You know you’re from Louisiana if you move to Denver and have to have central A/C installed in your house cause it’s a way of life. (True story … and my neighbors thought I was nuts!)
I could not live without my A/C.
There is no way.
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MandyManners Wed, Jul 14, 2010 6:54:45am |
re: #169 Rightwingconspirator
You saw the page where we can read that the Quran does not call for stoning? This is utterly on the Iranian government mullahs, not the religion overall. Much of Sharia law is not really in the Quran. It’s the sick bastards allowed to make the more extreme laws and penalties.
I’m not a Koranic expert but, it doesn’t mention punishment for adultery at all?
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ryannon Wed, Jul 14, 2010 6:55:02am |
re: #168 MandyManners
No huge one here.
Whatever. In the sense that people wouldn’t be pointing fingers at you.
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MandyManners Wed, Jul 14, 2010 6:55:41am |
re: #171 reine.de.tout
On my FB this morning:
I could not live without my A/C.
There is no way.
Denver doesn’t have the humidity but, it gets HOT. I’m talking about triple digits.
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MandyManners Wed, Jul 14, 2010 6:56:02am |
re: #173 ryannon
Whatever. In the sense that people wouldn’t be pointing fingers at you.
Or, flinging red paint.
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MrSilverDragon Wed, Jul 14, 2010 6:56:26am |
re: #171 reine.de.tout
I could not live without my A/C. There is no way.
You’d be surprised what you can tolerate when the situation arises… however, I wouldn’t want to live without A/C either.
And good morning, y’all!
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reine.de.tout Wed, Jul 14, 2010 6:58:04am |
re: #176 MrSilverDragon
You’d be surprised what you can tolerate when the situation arises… however, I wouldn’t want to live without A/C either.
And good morning, y’all!
After Katrina, after Rita and after Gustav - no power for a week, each time.
I thought I was going to die. We have a generator we used at night so we had fans at night. During the day I’d drive around in my car a bit just so I could be in A/C for awhile. Ugh.
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Interesting Times Wed, Jul 14, 2010 6:58:13am |
re: #169 Rightwingconspirator
You saw the page where we can read that the Quran does not call for stoning? This is utterly on the Iranian government mullahs, not the religion overall. Much of Sharia law is not really in the Quran. It’s the sick bastards allowed to make the more extreme laws and penalties.
From the mission statement of The Muslim Canadian Congress (emphasis mine):
We believe in the separation of religion and state in all matters of public policy. We feel such a separation is a necessary pre-requisite to building democratic societies, where religious, ethnic, and racial minorities are accepted as equal citizens enjoying full dignity and human rights enunciated in the 1948 United Nations Universal Declaration of Human Rights.
We oppose gender apartheid that is practiced in parts of our community, and believe it is contrary to the equity among men and women enshrined in Islam. We believe that Muslim men and women should work together, shoulder-to-shoulder, in their effort to rejuvenate our community.
They also opposed attempts to set up religious tribunals based on Sharia Law.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Jul 14, 2010 6:58:31am |
re: #174 MandyManners
Denver doesn’t have the humidity but, it gets HOT. I’m talking about triple digits.
When? We rarely have triple digits here…
The average high during the summer is 88 °F (31.1 °C) and the average low is 59 °F (15 °C). The hottest temperature ever recorded in Denver is 105 °F (41 °C) (National Weather Service).
Come on Mandy…
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ryannon Wed, Jul 14, 2010 6:58:47am |
re: #175 MandyManners
Or, flinging red paint.
No, the trust fund kids and assorted anarchists and animal rights people are generally much more polite in Switzerland. It’s a question of education and breeding. And as far as I know, throwing red paint on a mink coat never brought the mink back to life.
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reine.de.tout Wed, Jul 14, 2010 6:59:34am |
re: #180 ryannon
No, the trust fund kids and assorted anarchists and animal rights people are generally much more polite in Switzerland. It’s a question of education and breeding. And as far as I know, throwing red paint on a mink coat never brought the mink back to life.
Acually - seems to me it would create additional mink deaths since folks would be replacing those painted mink coats.
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darthstar Wed, Jul 14, 2010 6:59:45am |
Mornin’ everyone.
Maybe it would be a good idea if we forced all the AGW deniers to live without A/C for a summer…just thinking out loud here.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Jul 14, 2010 7:00:29am |
re: #174 MandyManners
Denver doesn’t have the humidity but, it gets HOT. I’m talking about triple digits.
Over 100 days in July from 1874
101 July 3, 1874
102 July 4, 1874
101 July 6, 1876
100 July 14, 1878
100 July 11, 1888
100 July 31, 1889
100 July 15, 1902
101 July 23, 1910
100 July 26, 1910
100 July 22, 1931
100 July 19, 1934
100 July 23, 1936
102 July 20, 1939
102 July 11, 1954
101 July 12, 1954
101 July 12, 1971
101 July 17, 1971
100 July 30, 1972
100 July 5, 1973
103 July 6, 1973
100 July 21, 1981
101 July 4, 1989
101 July 5, 1989
102 July 6, 1989
102 July 7, 1989
103 July 8, 1989
102 July 1, 1990
100 July 2, 1990
100 July 20, 1998
101 July 6, 2000
101 July 1, 2001
100 July 13, 2003
101 July 16, 2003
100 July 24, 2003
102 July 16, 2005
101 July 19, 2005
105 July 20, 2005 #
104 July 21, 2005
102 July 22, 2005
102 July 23, 2005
101 July 30, 2005
101 July 15, 2006
103 July 16, 2006
100 July 2, 2007
100 July 17, 2007
100 July 20, 2008
I don’t know where you get your figures.
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darthstar Wed, Jul 14, 2010 7:00:50am |
re: #178 publicityStunted
They also opposed attempts to set up religious tribunals based on Sharia Law.
They only SAY that. It’s a trap.///
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MandyManners Wed, Jul 14, 2010 7:01:03am |
re: #179 Walter L. Newton
When? We rarely have triple digits here…
The average high during the summer is 88 °F (31.1 °C) and the average low is 59 °F (15 °C). The hottest temperature ever recorded in Denver is 105 °F (41 °C) (National Weather Service).
Come on Mandy…
I recall summers when it would get up to 100 in Denver.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Jul 14, 2010 7:02:12am |
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reine.de.tout Wed, Jul 14, 2010 7:02:37am |
re: #182 darthstar
Mornin’ everyone.
Maybe it would be a good idea if we forced all the AGW deniers to live without A/C for a summer…just thinking out loud here.
People without A/C die in heat waves, particularly the elderly.
Sounds like a plan, Darth - just kill off the deniers!
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ryannon Wed, Jul 14, 2010 7:02:50am |
re: #181 reine.de.tout
Acually - seems to me it would create additional mink deaths since folks would be replacing those painted mink coats.
Those sort of actions never prevented wealthy people from buying another. There was a point when world demand for furs was down, but it’s bounced back up again. Personally, I’d rather not, but if someone wants to put those creatures on his or her back, well, I guess it’s still a free country.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Jul 14, 2010 7:03:11am |
re: #185 MandyManners
I recall summers when it would get up to 100 in Denver.
And look at June…
102 June 23, 1954
102 June 27, 1990
102 June 29, 1990
102 June 30, 1990
100 June 25, 1991
104 June 26, 1994
102 June 14, 2006
100 June 24, 2007
[Link: www.crh.noaa.gov…]
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MandyManners Wed, Jul 14, 2010 7:03:36am |
re: #180 ryannon
No, the trust fund kids and assorted anarchists and animal rights people are generally much more polite in Switzerland. It’s a question of education and breeding. And as far as I know, throwing red paint on a mink coat never brought the mink back to life.
Polite anarchists!
I once had to defend a woman in Denver’s Larimer Square who was wearing a lynx coat. I lit into this group of jeering assholes who were giving her a very hard time.
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aurelius Wed, Jul 14, 2010 7:04:05am |
sad news… racist frenzy may spread to Florida
[Link: dailycaller.com…]
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Jul 14, 2010 7:04:09am |
re: #185 MandyManners
I recall summers when it would get up to 100 in Denver.
And look at Aug…
100 August 12, 1876
100 August 2, 1878
100 August 3, 1878
105 August 8, 1878 #
100 August 1, 1901
100 August 1, 1902
100 August 1, 1938
100 August 10, 1962
100 August 14, 1962
100 August 8, 1969
100 August 6, 1980
100 August 16, 2002
Yes, weve had a few over 100 days… few and far between… you must have been in Denver someplace else.
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ryannon Wed, Jul 14, 2010 7:05:22am |
re: #190 MandyManners
Polite anarchists!
I once had to defend a woman in Denver’s Larimer Square who was wearing a lynx coat. I lit into this group of jeering assholes who were giving her a very hard time.
Good for you. That kind of courage is singularly lacking these days.
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MandyManners Wed, Jul 14, 2010 7:05:34am |
re: #183 Walter L. Newton
I was there—not consecutively—from 1989 until 2004. If I counted correctly, that’s 10 days.
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MandyManners Wed, Jul 14, 2010 7:06:29am |
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MandyManners Wed, Jul 14, 2010 7:07:26am |
re: #193 ryannon
Good for you. That kind of courage is singularly lacking these days.
It really infuriated me. This woman was minding her own business when she was attacked by those smug, self-righteous punks.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Jul 14, 2010 7:08:20am |
re: #194 MandyManners
I was there—not consecutively—from 1989 until 2004. If I counted correctly, that’s 10 days.
Wow… a record… 10 days in out of 5475 days… I was talking about extreme temperatures… personally, IMO, I wouldn’t consider 10 days out of 15 years to be extreme. But that’s just me.
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darthstar Wed, Jul 14, 2010 7:08:48am |
re: #190 MandyManners
Polite anarchists!
I once had to defend a woman in Denver’s Larimer Square who was wearing a lynx coat. I lit into this group of jeering assholes who were giving her a very hard time.
We’ve never experienced that problem here in California. My mom loved fur coats, and had a few of them…wore them mostly in the winter or when going to San Francisco for a weekend. My sister sometimes wears fur…usually up in Lake Tahoe and only in the winter. I do recall, when I was in college, people protesting fur, and a few news stories about paint throwing, and it had an effect on the industry. Most people just ignore people wearing fur…even when they object to it.
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MandyManners Wed, Jul 14, 2010 7:09:05am |
The bill, which has received overwhelming support in opinion polls, must now be ratified by the senate in September to become law.
The opposition Socialist party, who originally wanted the ban limited only to public buildings, boycotted Tuesday’s vote.
SNIP
Men who force their wives or daughters to wear the full veil face a fine of up to $37,754 and a one-year jail term, according to the draft legislation.
Nicolas Sarkozy, the French president, said earlier this year that the full veil “hurts the dignity of women and is not acceptable in French society”.
SNIP
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MandyManners Wed, Jul 14, 2010 7:10:20am |
re: #197 Walter L. Newton
Wow… a record… 10 days in out of 5475 days… I was talking about extreme temperatures… personally, IMO, I wouldn’t consider 10 days out of 15 years to be extreme. But that’s just me.
Why are you dogging my ass over this?
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Radicchio ad Absurdum Wed, Jul 14, 2010 7:11:18am |
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darthstar Wed, Jul 14, 2010 7:12:40am |
re: #197 Walter L. Newton
Wow… a record… 10 days in out of 5475 days… I was talking about extreme temperatures… personally, IMO, I wouldn’t consider 10 days out of 15 years to be extreme. But that’s just me.
Growing up in Northern California (about 20 miles east of Redding), I’d ride my bike in 100+ heat to Sun Oaks Tennis Club (about 10 miles), play 4 or 5 sets of tennis with my buddy Chris, then bike home afterward. We’d get stretches of 8 or 10 days of 100+ heat (114 wasn’t unheard of), but we were kids. Set of tennis, splash in the pool, two more sets, splash in the pool, another set, pool, bike home, jump in the pool there.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Jul 14, 2010 7:12:51am |
re: #200 MandyManners
Why are you dogging my ass over this?
Sorry Mandy… I don’t consider Denver area weather to be extreme at all, and that was sort of what we were talking about… oppressive, extreme, humid heat. Maybe I am being pedantic, but I don’t consider a handful over over 100 days since 1874 to fit the model of oppressive, extreme heat.
Like I say… sorry.
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MandyManners Wed, Jul 14, 2010 7:14:19am |
re: #198 darthstar
We’ve never experienced that problem here in California. My mom loved fur coats, and had a few of them…wore them mostly in the winter or when going to San Francisco for a weekend. My sister sometimes wears fur…usually up in Lake Tahoe and only in the winter. I do recall, when I was in college, people protesting fur, and a few news stories about paint throwing, and it had an effect on the industry. Most people just ignore people wearing fur…even when they object to it.
There were quite a few vocal assholes in the Denver area. I recall some instances in the ski resorts, too. I don’t know if there was any paint-flinging there.
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MandyManners Wed, Jul 14, 2010 7:15:21am |
re: #201 Radicchio ad Absurdum
What happens at a masquerade ball?
I would assume that it would be held in a private venue.
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darthstar Wed, Jul 14, 2010 7:15:34am |
re: #204 MandyManners
There were quite a few vocal assholes in the Denver area. I recall some instances in the ski resorts, too. I don’t know if there was any paint-flinging there.
Sounds like you had it rough.
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reine.de.tout Wed, Jul 14, 2010 7:16:04am |
Not good news.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Jul 14, 2010 7:16:23am |
re: #202 darthstar
Growing up in Northern California (about 20 miles east of Redding), I’d ride my bike in 100+ heat to Sun Oaks Tennis Club (about 10 miles), play 4 or 5 sets of tennis with my buddy Chris, then bike home afterward. We’d get stretches of 8 or 10 days of 100+ heat (114 wasn’t unheard of), but we were kids. Set of tennis, splash in the pool, two more sets, splash in the pool, another set, pool, bike home, jump in the pool there.
I played stick ball, with my buddy Jeffery substituting for home base, using a wet wad of toilet paper in Brooklyn in 98 degree heat… 6 innings of stick ball… jump in an open sewer… roll a bum… wash off in Verrazanno Bay and then get home before Dad sobered up.
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MandyManners Wed, Jul 14, 2010 7:18:03am |
re: #203 Walter L. Newton
Sorry Mandy… I don’t consider Denver area weather to be extreme at all, and that was sort of what we were talking about… oppressive, extreme, humid heat. Maybe I am being pedantic, but I don’t consider a handful over over 100 days since 1874 to fit the model of oppressive, extreme heat.
Like I say… sorry.
Heat does not have to have humidity for it to be extreme in my opinion. I consider mid-upper 90s in dry heat extreme. Also, there’s the compent of extreme colds, and I recall quite a few winters of what I call “extreme” with the temperatures in the low 20s, teens, single-digit and sub-zero.
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darthstar Wed, Jul 14, 2010 7:18:10am |
re: #208 Walter L. Newton
I played stick ball, with my buddy Jeffery substituting for home base, using a wet wad of toilet paper in Brooklyn in 98 degree heat… 6 innings of stick ball… jump in an open sewer… roll a bum… wash off in Verrazanno Bay and then get home before Dad sobered up.
That’s so Americana!
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MandyManners Wed, Jul 14, 2010 7:18:42am |
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aurelius Wed, Jul 14, 2010 7:19:18am |
re: #207 reine.de.tout
Not good news.
saw that… movingly achingly slow….
drives me crazy to see the wingnuts criticizing Obama over this. sometimes bad things happen and sometimes they are hard to fix. What is he supposed to do, parachute in from a bomber with a plug he personally designed himself?
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Radicchio ad Absurdum Wed, Jul 14, 2010 7:19:49am |
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darthstar Wed, Jul 14, 2010 7:19:59am |
re: #209 MandyManners
Heat does not have to have humidity for it to be extreme in my opinion. I consider mid-upper 90s in dry heat extreme. Also, there’s the compent of extreme colds, and I recall quite a few winters of what I call “extreme” with the temperatures in the low 20s, teens, single-digit and sub-zero.
You should move to San Diego, where the temperature stays between 60 and 80 most of the year…obviously, seasons don’t agree with you.
//
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MandyManners Wed, Jul 14, 2010 7:20:02am |
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MandyManners Wed, Jul 14, 2010 7:20:36am |
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MrSilverDragon Wed, Jul 14, 2010 7:20:45am |
re: #212 aurelius
saw that… movingly achingly slow…
drives me crazy to see the wingnuts criticizing Obama over this. sometimes bad things happen and sometimes they are hard to fix. What is he supposed to do, parachute in from a bomber with a plug he personally designed himself?
That would be cool to watch, and would raise the coolness factor of the president a hundred fold. Heck, I’d even watch that on PPV!
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ryannon Wed, Jul 14, 2010 7:21:02am |
re: #191 aurelius
sad news… racist frenzy may spread to Florida
[Link: dailycaller.com…]
I see all of that as being just about as successful as the war on drugs. I get the feeling that the media is playing this for all it’s worth. It sells papers and television and radio ad space and gives everyone the opportunity of polarizing around one position or another. I personally don’t see it as another indication of America going down the tubes as much as continual exercises in demagogy and appealing to the lowest common denominator in political debate. Sooner or later, people will be bloviating around some other issue - with just as much intelligent input as this one. It keeps people busy trying to think the issues through without having the necessary information and gives certain politicians the aura of actually dealing with something.
It’s ugly, and I’m not minimizing the demons it has awakened, but as is often the case, all I see is manipulation for purposes other than resolving the issue.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Jul 14, 2010 7:21:24am |
re: #210 darthstar
That’s so Americana!
Thank you… it’s my treatment for a new pilot “The Young Soprano’s.” sort of a coming of age mobster drama.
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MandyManners Wed, Jul 14, 2010 7:21:40am |
re: #214 darthstar
You should move to San Diego, where the temperature stays between 60 and 80 most of the year…obviously, seasons don’t agree with you.
//
I could dig it.
OTOH, I do like four, distinct seasons. I really missed them in Seattle where the seasons were “Sopping Wet” and “Slightly Dryer”.
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aurelius Wed, Jul 14, 2010 7:22:10am |
re: #217 MrSilverDragon
That would be cool to watch, and would raise the coolness factor of the president a hundred fold. Heck, I’d even watch that on PPV!
you know now that I look at what I wrote, it does sound pretty good…
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darthstar Wed, Jul 14, 2010 7:22:11am |
re: #207 reine.de.tout
Not good news.
I think they’re afraid of degradation in the pipe below the original BOP.
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Radicchio ad Absurdum Wed, Jul 14, 2010 7:22:28am |
re: #216 MandyManners
Would face paint be equated with a veil?
Don’t know what the law actually says. Does it use the word veil or does it just say a face may not be covered? In any case, just poking fun here, trying to think of some of the more absurd unintended consequences.
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MandyManners Wed, Jul 14, 2010 7:23:07am |
re: #218 ryannon
I see all of that as being just about as successful as the war on drugs. I get the feeling that the media is playing this for all it’s worth. It sells papers and television and radio ad space and gives everyone the opportunity of polarizing around one position or another. I personally don’t see it as another indication of America going down the tubes as much as continual exercises in demagogy and appealing to the lowest common denominator in political debate. Sooner or later, people will be bloviating around some other issue - with just as much intelligent input as this one. It keeps people busy trying to think the issues through without having the necessary information and gives certain politicians the aura of actually dealing with something.
It’s ugly, and I’m not minimizing the demons it has awakened, but as is often the case, all I see is manipulation for purposes other than resolving the issue.
The MFM could not survive without conflict.
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ryannon Wed, Jul 14, 2010 7:24:04am |
re: #213 Radicchio ad Absurdum
Street Mimes?
The French haven’t dumbed down to the point where they can see the difference between the two.
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reine.de.tout Wed, Jul 14, 2010 7:24:23am |
re: #212 aurelius
saw that… movingly achingly slow…
drives me crazy to see the wingnuts criticizing Obama over this. sometimes bad things happen and sometimes they are hard to fix. What is he supposed to do, parachute in from a bomber with a plug he personally designed himself?
Correct, neither the incident itself nor the stopping of the flow are anything to put on the President.
I have some issues about the moratorium, which I believe is not necessary for the length of time they’ve declared it. All they really needed to do was stop issuing permits for the few weeks or month or two it would take to inspect the wells out there (which was done within the first week after the incident), and ensure operations were being handled safely.
What BP did to cause this thing was outside of every normal process, and those in the biz knew it right away. There’s been drilling in the Gulf for 60 years without an incident like this.
The panel put together to study this hasn’t even met yet. I expect the 6-month moratorium is going to drag out much longer than that, with really severe economic effects, locally at first, but spreading out.
I find it sort of odd that right now, the ONLY company with a permit to drill is - BP. pfffft.
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aurelius Wed, Jul 14, 2010 7:24:26am |
re: #218 ryannon
I see all of that as being just about as successful as the war on drugs. I get the feeling that the media is playing this for all it’s worth. It sells papers and television and radio ad space and gives everyone the opportunity of polarizing around one position or another. I personally don’t see it as another indication of America going down the tubes as much as continual exercises in demagogy and appealing to the lowest common denominator in political debate. Sooner or later, people will be bloviating around some other issue - with just as much intelligent input as this one. It keeps people busy trying to think the issues through without having the necessary information and gives certain politicians the aura of actually dealing with something.
It’s ugly, and I’m not minimizing the demons it has awakened, but as is often the case, all I see is manipulation for purposes other than resolving the issue.
exactly
politicians whipping up excitement…. fighting for the uncommitted….
button up your overcoats, its gonna be a rough ride
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darthstar Wed, Jul 14, 2010 7:25:05am |
re: #219 Stanley Sea
Abstinence sucks apparently.
Bristol and Levi are getting married! The cynic in me says it’s an election year. But I actually think they’ll get hitched this time because 1) they’ve got a place to live on their own now, 2) they’re rich beyond their wildest dreams and have celebrity, so can cash in on the family thing, and 3) they’re young & dumb, but they’ve got a kid, so why the hell not?
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MandyManners Wed, Jul 14, 2010 7:25:18am |
re: #224 Radicchio ad Absurdum
Don’t know what the law actually says. Does it use the word veil or does it just say a face may not be covered? In any case, just poking fun here, trying to think of some of the more absurd unintended consequences.
I figured as much.
All I know is what I’ve read in English. I don’t know if I trust Al-Jazeera’s coverage:
The bill makes it illegal to cover the face anywhere in public and those caught wearing a full veil would face fines of $190 or be ordered to enrol in a “citizenship course”.
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reine.de.tout Wed, Jul 14, 2010 7:25:19am |
re: #215 MandyManners
Sounds like they wanna’ be extra-double sure?
Mandy - I believe there is a problem in the formation itself, and there is a risk of blowing it to the point where there are leaks all over the place, miles away from the main leak. This whole thing is very very risky.
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reine.de.tout Wed, Jul 14, 2010 7:26:15am |
re: #223 darthstar
I think they’re afraid of degradation in the pipe below the original BOP.
Not just the pipe. The formation itself.
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MrSilverDragon Wed, Jul 14, 2010 7:26:27am |
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ryannon Wed, Jul 14, 2010 7:26:29am |
re: #226 ryannon
The French haven’t dumbed down to the point where they
cancan’t see the difference between the two.
Yikes.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Jul 14, 2010 7:27:22am |
I’ve been ignoring the Mel Gibson tapes but O&A are playing the new tape on XM202. He’s screaming about his demands for oral sex. It’s hilarious. If he had a new movie coming out I’d think this was a publicity stunt.
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aurelius Wed, Jul 14, 2010 7:27:37am |
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reine.de.tout Wed, Jul 14, 2010 7:27:58am |
re: #235 Killgore Trout
I’ve been ignoring the Mel Gibson tapes but O&A are playing the new tape on XM202. He’s screaming about his demands for oral sex. It’s hilarious. If he had a new movie coming out I’d think this was a publicity stunt.
That man is in serious need of an intervention.
He needs help.
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aurelius Wed, Jul 14, 2010 7:28:15am |
re: #235 Killgore Trout
I’ve been ignoring the Mel Gibson tapes but O&A are playing the new tape on XM202. He’s screaming about his demands for oral sex. It’s hilarious. If he had a new movie coming out I’d think this was a publicity stunt.
linky? this thread seems to be converging on a theme
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Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Jul 14, 2010 7:29:40am |
re: #143 Killgore Trout
I had a nightmare last night of being at my last job (which I left 8 years ago) being lectured by idiots about their bogus ideas how I should set up my tools. Ugh.
I still have dreams (every spring and fall) about being in a class that I have never even show up for, or read the book and there is an exam tomorrow…
And I still wake up in a cold sweat
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MandyManners Wed, Jul 14, 2010 7:30:26am |
re: #224 Radicchio ad Absurdum
Don’t know what the law actually says. Does it use the word veil or does it just say a face may not be covered? In any case, just poking fun here, trying to think of some of the more absurd unintended consequences.
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reine.de.tout Wed, Jul 14, 2010 7:30:28am |
re: #239 ralphieboy
I still have dreams (every spring and fall) about being in a class that I have never even show up for, or read the book and there is an exam tomorrow…
And I still wake up in a cold sweat
I had a class like that once.
I showed up for the final exam.
And passed the class (barely).
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MandyManners Wed, Jul 14, 2010 7:31:42am |
re: #231 reine.de.tout
Mandy - I believe there is a problem in the formation itself, and there is a risk of blowing it to the point where there are leaks all over the place, miles away from the main leak. This whole thing is very very risky.
A thick, large concrete band-aid?
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darthstar Wed, Jul 14, 2010 7:33:14am |
re: #235 Killgore Trout
I’ve been ignoring the Mel Gibson tapes but O&A are playing the new tape on XM202. He’s screaming about his demands for oral sex. It’s hilarious. If he had a new movie coming out I’d think this was a publicity stunt.
He does…it’s called, “Don’t Let Me Die Hard!”
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MandyManners Wed, Jul 14, 2010 7:33:54am |
re: #235 Killgore Trout
I’ve been ignoring the Mel Gibson tapes but O&A are playing the new tape on XM202. He’s screaming about his demands for oral sex. It’s hilarious. If he had a new movie coming out I’d think this was a publicity stunt.
William Morris Endeavor has dropped him.
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MandyManners Wed, Jul 14, 2010 7:34:34am |
re: #239 ralphieboy
I still have dreams (every spring and fall) about being in a class that I have never even show up for, or read the book and there is an exam tomorrow…
And I still wake up in a cold sweat
Are you naked in the dream? It doesn’t count if you’re not naked.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Jul 14, 2010 7:34:42am |
We have some idiot up here complaining about “bear sightings” on a local forum. Here’s a good answer from one of the regulars… “That is just to funny… the stupidity of some people. Thats like moving to Florida and saying I didnt know they had gators there.”
We have bears… it’s the freaking mountains… I saw one last week, early dawn, moving along our fence line, not 50 feet away from me, probably the same one that had a picnic with one of our bags of garbage, it happens all summer, no big deal, just play nice with them.
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RogueOne Wed, Jul 14, 2010 7:35:18am |
re: #182 darthstar
Mornin’ everyone.
Maybe it would be a good idea if we forced all the AGW deniers to live without A/C for a summer…just thinking out loud here.
You have it backwards. Those that believe the A/C is destroying the planet should make the first move and ditch it. Plus, they should only travel by pedal power.
Put up or shut up//
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Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Jul 14, 2010 7:35:23am |
re: #245 MandyManners
Are you naked in the dream? It doesn’t count if you’re not naked.
I guess I must be dreaming right now…
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MandyManners Wed, Jul 14, 2010 7:35:30am |
re: #246 Walter L. Newton
We have some idiot up here complaining about “bear sightings” on a local forum. Here’s a good answer from one of the regulars… “That is just to funny… the stupidity of some people. Thats like moving to Florida and saying I didnt know they had gators there.”
We have bears… it’s the freaking mountains… I saw one last week, early dawn, moving along our fence line, not 50 feet away from me, probably the same one that had a picnic with one of our bags of garbage, it happens all summer, no big deal, just play nice with them.
Or, the same kind of idiot who moves near an airport and bitches about the noise.
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MandyManners Wed, Jul 14, 2010 7:35:48am |
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Vicious Babushka Wed, Jul 14, 2010 7:35:57am |
Zedushka is still devastated over the demise of Tuli Kupferberg, one of his childhood idols.
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darthstar Wed, Jul 14, 2010 7:36:20am |
re: #248 ralphieboy
I guess I must be dreaming right now…
I’m usually fully dressed in my dreams. Butt-nekkid now that I’m awake though.
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MrSilverDragon Wed, Jul 14, 2010 7:36:43am |
re: #241 reine.de.tout
I had a class like that once.
I showed up for the final exam.
And passed the class (barely).
I had a professor in community college yell at me for only showing up on days there were tests. You’d think he wouldn’t care considering he still gets paid regardless of my attendance. I still got an A in that class, though… can’t argue with the As on all the tests.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Jul 14, 2010 7:37:20am |
re: #237 reine.de.tout
That man is in serious need of an intervention.
He needs help.
He’s nuts. It does suck that with everything he has he still isn’t happy. Some people are like that.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Jul 14, 2010 7:38:15am |
re: #244 MandyManners
William Morris Endeavor has dropped him.
I think his career will be fine. It’ll be over when he starts making bad movies.
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MrSilverDragon Wed, Jul 14, 2010 7:40:19am |
re: #255 Killgore Trout
I think his career will be fine. It’ll be over when he starts making bad movies.
So, it should have ended with Apocalypto. I still laugh about the “jaguar puppet” scene.
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MandyManners Wed, Jul 14, 2010 7:41:46am |
re: #255 Killgore Trout
I think his career will be fine. It’ll be over when he starts making bad movies.
He has no agent. I cannot imagine any agent accpeting him. Years ago he went after homosexuals. Three (?) years ago he went after Jews. Now, he’s been accused of hitting the mother of his child in the face while she was holding the child, and the recording has him attacking African-Americans.
He’s radioactive and I think his half-life is gonna’ be longer than the waste that should be stored at Yucca Mountain.
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RogueOne Wed, Jul 14, 2010 7:41:54am |
re: #254 Killgore Trout
He’s nuts. It does suck that with everything he has he still isn’t happy. Some people are like that.
He’s turned into the south park parody of himself.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Jul 14, 2010 7:42:45am |
re: #256 MrSilverDragon
I really liked Apocalypto. I was surprised how good it was.
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darthstar Wed, Jul 14, 2010 7:44:35am |
Happy National Nude Day! - I woke up dressed for work!
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Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Jul 14, 2010 7:47:03am |
re: #251 Alouette
Zedushka is still devastated over the demise of Tuli Kupferberg, one of his childhood idols.
I was a big fan of the Fugs (who featured a teenage Jackson Browne and Alan Ginsberg on their first LP), and once shared an office at the UofA Russian Department with former Fug Ken Weaver.
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garhighway Wed, Jul 14, 2010 7:47:54am |
re: #218 ryannon
I see all of that as being just about as successful as the war on drugs. I get the feeling that the media is playing this for all it’s worth. It sells papers and television and radio ad space and gives everyone the opportunity of polarizing around one position or another. I personally don’t see it as another indication of America going down the tubes as much as continual exercises in demagogy and appealing to the lowest common denominator in political debate. Sooner or later, people will be bloviating around some other issue - with just as much intelligent input as this one. It keeps people busy trying to think the issues through without having the necessary information and gives certain politicians the aura of actually dealing with something.
It’s ugly, and I’m not minimizing the demons it has awakened, but as is often the case, all I see is manipulation for purposes other than resolving the issue.
How would one “resolve the issue”?
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RogueOne Wed, Jul 14, 2010 7:48:52am |
re: #249 MandyManners
Or, the same kind of idiot who moves near an airport and bitches about the noise.
or the guy who moves to the country and complains about the smell of the hog farm down the road.
In Indy there is a big gun club that has been out in the country for 50 years. They started a very high dollar housing project right next door and they’ve been suing the gun club for a decade trying to get it shut down.
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MrSilverDragon Wed, Jul 14, 2010 7:50:06am |
re: #259 Killgore Trout
I really liked Apocalypto. I was surprised how good it was.
A lot of people did. I didn’t… but I’m sure there’s plenty of well-hated flicks I enjoy. I still get a good chuckle out of “Zardoz” and “A Polish Vampire in Burbank”.
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darthstar Wed, Jul 14, 2010 7:51:52am |
re: #264 RogueOne
or the guy who moves to the country and complains about the smell of the hog farm down the road.
In Indy there is a big gun club that has been out in the country for 50 years. They started a very high dollar housing project right next door and they’ve been suing the gun club for a decade trying to get it shut down.
One of the newer housing developments outside of Reno (4 acre ranchettes) tried to get legislation passed because someone had a loud donkey. Fortunately, the idiot newcomers tried to get all farm animals banned - in an area full of farms - and failed.
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rwdflynavy Wed, Jul 14, 2010 7:52:31am |
re: #255 Killgore Trout
I think his career will be fine. It’ll be over when he starts making bad movies.
It hasn’t stopped Rob Schneider!!
//
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Radicchio ad Absurdum Wed, Jul 14, 2010 7:52:32am |
re: #265 MrSilverDragon
A lot of people did. I didn’t… but I’m sure there’s plenty of well-hated flicks I enjoy. I still get a good chuckle out of “Zardoz” and “A Polish Vampire in Burbank”.
Nothing like wasting money on a movie about a vegetarian vampire :)
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garhighway Wed, Jul 14, 2010 7:52:34am |
re: #264 RogueOne
or the guy who moves to the country and complains about the smell of the hog farm down the road.
In Indy there is a big gun club that has been out in the country for 50 years. They started a very high dollar housing project right next door and they’ve been suing the gun club for a decade trying to get it shut down.
In the law, they call that “moving to the nuisance”. Absent a business that is otherwise violative of the law, the pre-existing landowner should win. But it is no fun to go through that.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Jul 14, 2010 7:52:41am |
re: #263 garhighway
How would one “resolve the issue”?
Employment laws reform… come down hard on business’ that attracts illegal workers at bargain basement salaries and exploits them. That would be a good start.
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MandyManners Wed, Jul 14, 2010 7:54:30am |
re: #264 RogueOne
or the guy who moves to the country and complains about the smell of the hog farm down the road.
In Indy there is a big gun club that has been out in the country for 50 years. They started a very high dollar housing project right next door and they’ve been suing the gun club for a decade trying to get it shut down.
How many times can they sue over the same issue? Don’t they get just one bite at the apple?
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MandyManners Wed, Jul 14, 2010 7:55:15am |
re: #266 darthstar
One of the newer housing developments outside of Reno (4 acre ranchettes) tried to get legislation passed because someone had a loud donkey. Fortunately, the idiot newcomers tried to get all farm animals banned - in an area full of farms - and failed.
What a bunch of Spayshul Snowflakes!
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MrSilverDragon Wed, Jul 14, 2010 7:56:13am |
re: #267 rwdflynavy
It hasn’t stopped Rob Schneider!!
//
Oh come on! Who doesn’t love the classic “Deuce Bigalow: Male Gigolo”, and the quality follow-up of “Deuce Bigalow: European Gigolo?”… oh wait, I think I know the answer to that one.
Never mind.
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darthstar Wed, Jul 14, 2010 7:58:07am |
Now, why didn’t Arizona think of this?
Utah - turning the crazy knob up to 11
A list containing the names and personal information of 1,300 people an anonymous group contends are illegal immigrants has been mailed around Utah, terrifying the state’s Hispanic community.
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darthstar Wed, Jul 14, 2010 8:00:46am |
re: #275 darthstar
Now, why didn’t Arizona think of this?
Holy fuck…I missed this part while linking:
A letter accompanying the list demands that those on it be deported immediately.Most of the names on the list are of Hispanic origin. The list also contains highly detailed personal information such as Social Security numbers, birth dates, workplaces, addresses and phone numbers. Names of children are included, along with due dates of pregnant women on the list.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Wed, Jul 14, 2010 8:01:40am |
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Jul 14, 2010 8:02:59am |
re: #275 darthstar
Now, why didn’t Arizona think of this?
I’m quite positive that this list was produced by right-wing radical conservative racists since a list like this, and the subsequent publicity that they would receive, would certainly propel the Utah immigrations law, to be voted on in January, right over the top, assuring a win.
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garhighway Wed, Jul 14, 2010 8:03:13am |
re: #276 darthstar
Sent by “Concerned Citizens of the United States”.
That is newspeak for “scumbags”.
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darthstar Wed, Jul 14, 2010 8:03:48am |
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Radicchio ad Absurdum Wed, Jul 14, 2010 8:04:13am |
re: #276 darthstar
Heard that on the news this morning. I sure as hell hope that the gov’t is going to track down whomever compiled that list. It seems there is information there that no one has a right to know.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Wed, Jul 14, 2010 8:04:37am |
re: #281 darthstar
Somebody’s going to jail over this.
Going to jail for a very, very, very long time, I hope. You just don’t DO that sort of thing in this country.
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darthstar Wed, Jul 14, 2010 8:05:58am |
re: #278 Walter L. Newton
I’m quite positive that this list was produced by right-wing radical conservative racists since a list like this, and the subsequent publicity that they would receive, would certainly propel the Utah immigrations law, to be voted on in January, right over the top, assuring a win.
Actually, it could backfire on them, as Utah finds itself getting the Arizona treatment…boycotts, etc.
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lawhawk Wed, Jul 14, 2010 8:08:23am |
re: #281 darthstar
The Salt Lake Tribune has more, and it appears that the focus is on several state agencies for the source of the information:
“If it reveals any kind of evidence of wrongdoing or release of private information we will turn it over to the Attorney General’s Office,” said Angie Welling, Herbert’s spokeswoman.Utah law makes it a misdemeanor to disclose government data not meant for public dissemination, though there are protections for whistle blowers. The list included names, addresses, birth dates, phone numbers, and 31 social security numbers. Also included: the names and dates of birth of 201 children, and the due dates of six pregnant women. Almost every surname is Latino.
Frank Cordova, president of the group Central Civico Mexicano, said the release of the information is destructive to efforts to bring people together to reform immigration policy, “rather than trying to cut so many people’s throats and hurt them in the manner this is coming down.”
“I can’t even imagine being a brown person and being undocumented, and to find yourself on a list or on the other side [wondering] when someone is going to put you on a list if your name’s not there right now,” he said.
Among the agencies being scrutinized are the Utah Department of Workforce Services and Department of Health, which handle birth and death certificates and applications for Medicaid, food stamps and the Children’s Health Insurance Program. American-born children can qualify for some kinds of aid even if their parents are undocumented.
Charges should be filed against whoever is responsible, but watch for that person(s) to claim whistleblower status - that these individuals should not have received govt benefits because of their status as illegal aliens.
And yes, I think this list will have an effect on the immigration law debate before the legislature takes up the bill in January.
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lawhawk Wed, Jul 14, 2010 8:09:09am |
re: #284 darthstar
Is there any evidence that the boycott has hurt the AZ economy? I think all the talk about a boycott was just that - talk.
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MandyManners Wed, Jul 14, 2010 8:09:41am |
re: #276 darthstar
Names of children? Due dates of pregnant women?! Wow. Just wow. Defuckingspicable.
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rwdflynavy Wed, Jul 14, 2010 8:09:57am |
I fear we will see more and more of this until the Feds finally take some action on the immigration/borders front. In other words, forever.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Jul 14, 2010 8:10:14am |
re: #284 darthstar
Actually, it could backfire on them, as Utah finds itself getting the Arizona treatment…boycotts, etc.
I know… Arizona is practically a memory now. People are leaving in droves, their economy has tanked, public services have broken down, the unemployment rate is at at 9.1 percent, crime is rampant… it’s a ship that is slowly sinking.
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ryannon Wed, Jul 14, 2010 8:13:52am |
re: #263 garhighway
How would one “resolve the issue”?
Why are you asking me? I don’t pretend to have any expertise in the field. Shouldn’t you be asking this question of your elected representatives? Or are you waiting for me to say something like, “Nuke all of South America”?
Am I being overly touchy here?
Probably, but one thing is sure: I don’t pretend to have the answers to this mess - other than if we don’t go the hard-nosed law-enforcement route, it’s going to take a whole lot of intelligence, understanding and love. I personally incline towards the latter.
Now please don’t ask me what I mean by ‘intelligence, understanding and love’, ok?
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ryannon Wed, Jul 14, 2010 8:14:28am |
re: #270 Walter L. Newton
Employment laws reform… come down hard on business’ that attracts illegal workers at bargain basement salaries and exploits them. That would be a good start.
What Walter said, I guess.
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MandyManners Wed, Jul 14, 2010 8:14:28am |
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MandyManners Wed, Jul 14, 2010 8:15:46am |
re: #292 ryannon
What do you mean, “‘intelligence, understanding and love”?
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rwdflynavy Wed, Jul 14, 2010 8:15:54am |
re: #289 Walter L. Newton
I know… Arizona is practically a memory now. People are leaving in droves, their economy has tanked, public services have broken down, the unemployment rate is at at 9.1 percent, crime is rampant… it’s a ship that is slowly sinking.
No they haven’t….Oh, I see what you did there!!!!
//
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garhighway Wed, Jul 14, 2010 8:15:56am |
re: #292 ryannon
Why are you asking me? I don’t pretend to have any expertise in the field. Shouldn’t you be asking this question of your elected representatives? Or are you waiting for me to say something like, “Nuke all of South America”?
Am I being overly touchy here?
Probably, but one thing is sure: I don’t pretend to have the answers to this mess - other than if we don’t go the hard-nosed law-enforcement route, it’s going to take a whole lot of intelligence, understanding and love. I personally incline towards the latter.
Now please don’t ask me what I mean by ‘intelligence, understanding and love’, ok?
I thought you might have something in mind.
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ryannon Wed, Jul 14, 2010 8:18:49am |
re: #298 garhighway
I thought you might have something in mind.
Like what?
What’s going through your mind concerning my mind?
I love LGF: so many opportunities for reading people’s minds.
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_RememberTonyC Wed, Jul 14, 2010 8:21:10am |
News Note:
Bristol Palin and Levi Johnston are engaged. I’m so overcome that I can barely speak …
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garhighway Wed, Jul 14, 2010 8:22:08am |
re: #299 ryannon
Like what?
What’s going through your mind concerning my mind?
I love LGF: so many opportunities for reading people’s minds.
I have no idea what is going through your mind. That’s why I asked. Was asking bad? Was I in some way uncivil? I try to be civil.
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MandyManners Wed, Jul 14, 2010 8:22:52am |
re: #299 ryannon
Like what?
What’s going through your mind concerning my mind?
I love LGF: so many opportunities for reading people’s minds.
Magic 8-Ball says:
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Semper Fi Wed, Jul 14, 2010 8:22:58am |
Good morning lizards,
I’ve been lurking. I find the whole Mel Gibson and Utah news upsetting.
On the bright side: Yesterday, I found the obit for Uncle Art (died about 40 yrs ago) and now know what part of the country he lived. The Web is so helpful.
Hope all of you are having a terrific day.
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MandyManners Wed, Jul 14, 2010 8:23:14am |
re: #300 _RememberTonyC
News Note:
Bristol Palin and Levi Johnston are engaged. I’m so overcome that I can barely speak …
Need my smelling salts?
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Jul 14, 2010 8:23:43am |
re: #300 _RememberTonyC
News Note:
Bristol Palin and Levi Johnston are engaged. I’m so overcome that I can barely speak …
We’ve already dissected that earlier this morning… you missed it. They are already married, divorced and Bristol now has a news show on Fox and Levi is up for the lead role in a TV. sitcom remake of “Home Improvement.”
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_RememberTonyC Wed, Jul 14, 2010 8:24:25am |
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Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Jul 14, 2010 8:25:09am |
re: #289 Walter L. Newton
I know… Arizona is practically a memory now. People are leaving in droves, their economy has tanked, public services have broken down, the unemployment rate is at at 9.1 percent, crime is rampant… it’s a ship that is slowly sinking.
Arizona was tanking before the boycotts set in.
It will also be interesting to see what happens in December when the lettuce harvest near Yuma, where most of America’s winter lettuce is grown, is ready for picking.
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MrSilverDragon Wed, Jul 14, 2010 8:25:23am |
Oh joy, I’m getting sent offsite to do work because people called out sick, so I’m out for the rest of the day. Y’all have a good one!
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MandyManners Wed, Jul 14, 2010 8:25:25am |
re: #305 Walter L. Newton
We’ve already dissected that earlier this morning… you missed it. They are already married, divorced and Bristol now has a news show on Fox and Levi is up for the lead role in a TV. sitcom remake of “Home Improvement.”
They were never married.
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_RememberTonyC Wed, Jul 14, 2010 8:26:17am |
re: #305 Walter L. Newton
We’ve already dissected that earlier this morning… you missed it. They are already married, divorced and Bristol now has a news show on Fox and Levi is up for the lead role in a TV. sitcom remake of “Home Improvement.”
that’s what i get for working until 2am ET … If you guys analyzed it already, I’m sure someone has suggested that this is part of an overall plan to make the Palin family look like the Cleavers in time for the midterm campaign season.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Jul 14, 2010 8:27:31am |
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Semper Fi Wed, Jul 14, 2010 8:28:02am |
re: #306 MandyManners
How’s it going with you?
Going very nice, thank you. Watching the Tour de France while lurking. Scenery makes one want to travel.
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MandyManners Wed, Jul 14, 2010 8:28:11am |
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Jul 14, 2010 8:28:15am |
re: #311 _RememberTonyC
that’s what i get for working until 2am ET … If you guys analyzed it already, I’m sure someone has suggested that this is part of an overall plan to make the Palin family look like the Cleavers in time for the midterm campaign season.
I think Darthstar suggested some less than altruistic reason.
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MandyManners Wed, Jul 14, 2010 8:28:26am |
re: #313 Semper Fi
Going very nice, thank you. Watching the Tour de France while lurking. Scenery makes one want to travel.
TIGHT BUTTS DRIVE ME NUTS!
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Jul 14, 2010 8:29:00am |
re: #308 ralphieboy
Arizona was tanking before the boycotts set in.
It will also be interesting to see what happens in December when the lettuce harvest near Yuma, where most of America’s winter lettuce is grown, is ready for picking.
Satire challenged?
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MandyManners Wed, Jul 14, 2010 8:29:20am |
Maybe they’re just overwhelmed by desire for each other, which was what used to be said instead of “horny”.
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ryannon Wed, Jul 14, 2010 8:29:57am |
re: #301 garhighway
I have no idea what is going through your mind. That’s why I asked. Was asking bad? Was I in some way uncivil? I try to be civil.
I originally posted on the fact that the media and certain politicians were spinning this issue for all it’s worth, distorting information and making it almost impossible for anyone to have an informed opinion. I find this regrettable in a democracy, where having accurate information is necessary for making intelligent choices.
I no way implied that I have the solution to the immigration problem. If I thought I did, I’d be happy to let you know. It seemed to me that Walter suggested some basic moves that theoretically make sense. But once again, I’d be at a loss to say whether they constitute viable solutions or not. Maybe that’s why I never ran for office: I believe too much in the virtues of patience, rational discussion and allowing conflicting points of view to work out satisfactory (and ethical) compromises. A vote for me is a vote for prosperity, happiness and a strong nation. Thank you, and God bless you all!
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Ebetty Wed, Jul 14, 2010 8:30:28am |
re: #295 MandyManners
Pretty good, crazy busy at work. Which is good since it keeps me focused. How are you?
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MandyManners Wed, Jul 14, 2010 8:31:05am |
re: #319 ryannon
Maybe that’s why I never ran for office: I believe too much in the virtues of patience, rational discussion and allowing conflicting points of view to work out satisfactory (and ethical) compromises. A vote for me is a vote for prosperity, happiness and a strong nation. Thank you, and God bless you all!
You forgot a chicken in every pot!
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garhighway Wed, Jul 14, 2010 8:31:36am |
re: #315 Walter L. Newton
I think Darthstar suggested some less than altruistic reason.
I still think that kids ought to be off-limits. I know that politicians use them as campaign props, but at the end of the day, the kids had this thrust upon them. Some react well and some react badly, but they’re still kids. Whether it’s the Bush daughters, Chelsea Clinton, Malia and Sasha or the Palin family, we all ought to just leave them be. If someday they run for office, then have at it.
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MandyManners Wed, Jul 14, 2010 8:31:40am |
re: #320 Ebetty
Pretty good, crazy busy at work. Which is good since it keeps me focused. How are you?
I’m doing fine. School starts in three weeks.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Wed, Jul 14, 2010 8:32:11am |
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Semper Fi Wed, Jul 14, 2010 8:32:16am |
re: #316 MandyManners
TIGHT BUTTS DRIVE ME NUTS!
You’re so funny, Mandy, and sometimes a little naughty.
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Ebetty Wed, Jul 14, 2010 8:32:22am |
re: #323 MandyManners
Good stuff, Grad School or are you a teacher?
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MandyManners Wed, Jul 14, 2010 8:32:27am |
re: #322 garhighway
I still think that kids ought to be off-limits. I know that politicians use them as campaign props, but at the end of the day, the kids had this thrust upon them. Some react well and some react badly, but they’re still kids. Whether it’s the Bush daughters, Chelsea Clinton, Malia and Sasha or the Palin family, we all ought to just leave them be. If someday they run for office, then have at it.
Once they reach 18, some consider them legitimate targets.
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MandyManners Wed, Jul 14, 2010 8:32:49am |
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MandyManners Wed, Jul 14, 2010 8:33:05am |
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garhighway Wed, Jul 14, 2010 8:33:06am |
re: #327 MandyManners
Once they reach 18, some consider them legitimate targets.
I know.
I respectfully disagree.
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_RememberTonyC Wed, Jul 14, 2010 8:33:15am |
re: #315 Walter L. Newton
I think Darthstar suggested some less than altruistic reason.
shocker that …
but quite correct
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MandyManners Wed, Jul 14, 2010 8:33:19am |
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MandyManners Wed, Jul 14, 2010 8:33:52am |
re: #330 garhighway
I know.
I respectfully disagree.
I understand that POV completely and agree with it to a point.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Wed, Jul 14, 2010 8:33:52am |
re: #327 MandyManners
Once they reach 18, some consider them legitimate targets.
Some don’t even wait that long. Politicians’ children are fair game to the vast unhinged, no matter the age.
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MandyManners Wed, Jul 14, 2010 8:34:42am |
re: #334 thedopefishlives
Some don’t even wait that long. Politicians’ children are fair game to the vast unhinged, no matter the age.
Shame on them.
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_RememberTonyC Wed, Jul 14, 2010 8:35:24am |
re: #318 MandyManners
Maybe they’re just overwhelmed by desire for each other, which was what used to be said instead of “horny”.
that is also true … plus … old levi might not be quite as attractive as he once was, now that he has been used and spit out by the system. the dude is nothing but a rube.
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garhighway Wed, Jul 14, 2010 8:35:24am |
re: #334 thedopefishlives
Some don’t even wait that long. Politicians’ children are fair game to the vast unhinged, no matter the age.
Clearly true. But “the vast unhinged” ought not set the standard for the rest of us.
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rwdflynavy Wed, Jul 14, 2010 8:35:47am |
re: #308 ralphieboy
Arizona was tanking before the boycotts set in.
It will also be interesting to see what happens in December when the lettuce harvest near Yuma, where most of America’s winter lettuce is grown, is ready for picking.
I’m guessing the lettuce will be picked by remaining illegal immigrants who haven’t been arrested by Arizona law enforcement.
//
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Targetpractice Wed, Jul 14, 2010 8:38:09am |
Good morning, fellow lizards. What’s the good word?
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Semper Fi Wed, Jul 14, 2010 8:38:14am |
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Wed, Jul 14, 2010 8:38:27am |
re: #335 MandyManners
re: #337 garhighway
Clearly true. But “the vast unhinged” ought not set the standard for the rest of us.
I grant you that. It’s shameful, and personally speaking, I don’t think it’s right to attack any family members of a politician/candidate unless they wilfully involve themselves in the campaign.
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_RememberTonyC Wed, Jul 14, 2010 8:38:42am |
re: #325 Semper Fi
You’re so funny, Mandy, and
sometimesusually a little naughty.
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Ebetty Wed, Jul 14, 2010 8:39:33am |
re: #332 MandyManners
Ah yes! Now I understand. :) There are all kinds of freedom. That’s a good one!
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MandyManners Wed, Jul 14, 2010 8:40:14am |
re: #336 _RememberTonyC
that is also true … plus … old levi might not be quite as attractive as he once was, now that he has been used and spit out by the system. the dude is nothing but a rube.
Didn’t he also use the system?
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MandyManners Wed, Jul 14, 2010 8:40:43am |
re: #339 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Good morning, fellow lizards. What’s the good word?
He is risen.
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Ebetty Wed, Jul 14, 2010 8:40:51am |
re: #343 Ebetty
As in, when the kids go back to school, it’s a good kind of freedom.
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rwdflynavy Wed, Jul 14, 2010 8:41:01am |
re: #344 MandyManners
Didn’t he also use the system?
He might have thought so, but mostly he was the system’s bitch.
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MandyManners Wed, Jul 14, 2010 8:41:41am |
re: #341 thedopefishlives
re: #337 garhighway
I grant you that. It’s shameful, and personally speaking, I don’t think it’s right to attack any family members of a politician/candidate unless they wilfully involve themselves in the campaign.
More than putting themselves on the stage at a convention if the child is an adult?
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lawhawk Wed, Jul 14, 2010 8:41:51am |
re: #322 garhighway
Indeed. However, if the kids make it the business of the media by seeking attention (no one asked them to go take photos for the cover of a magazine), they are putting themselves out there as public figures whether we want or care or not. They could slink off never to be heard from - Alaska is a pretty big place last time I checked, and it’s even close to Russia too). They probably saw the $$$ from doing the photo shoot, and decided that money talks.
Thinking about that whole situation, the line from one of my favorite movies - Raising Arizona - comes to mind. I’m not gonna live this way, Hi! It just ain’t family life! … HI: Well… it ain’t “Ozzie and Harriet.”
They sure ain’t.
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MandyManners Wed, Jul 14, 2010 8:42:34am |
re: #346 Ebetty
As in, when the kids go back to school, it’s a good kind of freedom.
Except being chained to the car for the 300+ miles for the weekly commute.
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MandyManners Wed, Jul 14, 2010 8:42:49am |
re: #347 rwdflynavy
He might have thought so, but mostly he was the system’s bitch.
Bit him in the butt.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Wed, Jul 14, 2010 8:45:41am |
re: #348 MandyManners
More than putting themselves on the stage at a convention if the child is an adult?
No, I’d say that counts. Bombs away.
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_RememberTonyC Wed, Jul 14, 2010 8:46:38am |
november will be fascinating. but also a bit scary. i think the GOP will do well, but almost in spite of itself. They can’t possibly lose ground with the economy stuck in second gear. But if they use the election as some sort of mandate to go even more “hard” right, it will eventually screw them in 2012. Most people will give the GOP a chance, but they need to act responsibly and move to the center. The country benefits if they do. And if they don’t, the voters will punish them. In New England where I live, the Repubs are more centrist, which is why people up here will vote for them. Nationwide, I know that is not usually the case anymore. But the national GOP should get its people to emulate the (moderate) way the “yankees” get votes for the GOP.
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Semper Fi Wed, Jul 14, 2010 8:47:29am |
re: #342 _RememberTonyC
Well, now that you mention it, there have been a few threads…. But, Mandy’s naughty is expressed in an almost wholesome way.
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Targetpractice Wed, Jul 14, 2010 8:48:11am |
I’m split on the whole situation where it pertains to the kids of politicians. On the one hand, I don’t agree with pundits and critics attacking them in lieu of their parents, and feel they should be off-limits except when they put themselves in public spotlight to help their parent’s careers. On the other hand, I don’t like the idea of politicians being able to use children as props and being shielded from criticism for doing so by accusing those critics of attacking their children.
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_RememberTonyC Wed, Jul 14, 2010 8:48:21am |
re: #344 MandyManners
Didn’t he also use the system?
yeah, but it was a short term “sugar high” for him. if he expects to parlay it into anything decent, he better grow up fast and learn some dignity and class. He’s still a kid, so maybe he will.
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Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Jul 14, 2010 8:49:21am |
re: #338 rwdflynavy
I’m guessing the lettuce will be picked by remaining illegal immigrants who haven’t been arrested by Arizona law enforcement.
//
Maybe if they harvest it at night and smuggle it out of the fields covered in cocaine…
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MandyManners Wed, Jul 14, 2010 8:51:09am |
It was supposed to be a carefree festival in Sahlkamp on the outskirts of the northern German city of Hanover. Billed as an “International Day” to celebrate social diversity and togetherness, the June celebration included performances by a multicultural children’s choir called “Happy Rainbow” and the German-Turkish rap duo 3-K. Music from Afghanistan was also on the program.
But then the mood suddenly shifted.
When Hajo Arnds, the organizer of the neighborhood festival, stepped onto the stage at about 6:45 p.m. to announce the next performance, by the Jewish dance group Chaverim, he was greeted with catcalls. “Jews out!” some of the roughly 30 young people standing in front of the stage began shouting. “Gone with the Jews!”
SNIP
Hey, Pamela? You paying attention yet?
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_RememberTonyC Wed, Jul 14, 2010 8:51:27am |
re: #355 Semper Fi
Well, now that you mention it, there have been a few threads… But, Mandy’s naughty is expressed in an almost wholesome way.
yeah, but at least her butt doesn’t hurt :)
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MandyManners Wed, Jul 14, 2010 8:51:41am |
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MandyManners Wed, Jul 14, 2010 8:52:35am |
re: #353 thedopefishlives
No, I’d say that counts. Bombs away.
I disagree. Showing support for one’s parents should not open up the flood-gates.
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Targetpractice Wed, Jul 14, 2010 8:52:39am |
re: #354 _RememberTonyC
november will be fascinating. but also a bit scary. i think the GOP will do well, but almost in spite of itself. They can’t possibly lose ground with the economy stuck in second gear. But if they use the election as some sort of mandate to go even more “hard” right, it will eventually screw them in 2012. Most people will give the GOP a chance, but they need to act responsibly and move to the center. The country benefits if they do. And if they don’t, the voters will punish them. In New England where I live, the Repubs are more centrist, which is why people up here will vote for them. Nationwide, I know that is not usually the case anymore. But the national GOP should get its people to emulate the (moderate) way the “yankees” get votes for the GOP.
My prediction is that the GOP will do well in November, but will not be taking the majority in either house of Congress, though they may succeed in doing so on the state and local levels, which is important with the coming redrawing of districts due to the census.
As to whether any gains made, no matter how moderate, will be seen as a “mandate” is something that will have to wait until after the election. If the Tea Party candidates get (rightfully) handed their asses, then perhaps the party will recognize that craziness and ODS is not the means by which to win big in 2012 and moderate the party’s platform. If they don’t, then I fear for the future of the Republic.
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Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Jul 14, 2010 8:53:40am |
re: #359 MandyManners
Hey, Pamela? You paying attention yet?
I don’t want to play down the political aspect, but one thing that these muslim kids have in common with the skinheads is that they are marginalized, underpriveleged and shut out of higher education and job opportunities.
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MandyManners Wed, Jul 14, 2010 8:53:41am |
re: #356 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
I’m split on the whole situation where it pertains to the kids of politicians. On the one hand, I don’t agree with pundits and critics attacking them in lieu of their parents, and feel they should be off-limits except when they put themselves in public spotlight to help their parent’s careers. On the other hand, I don’t like the idea of politicians being able to use children as props and being shielded from criticism for doing so by accusing those critics of attacking their children.
I’d say they’re fair game if they speak out, not if they just show up and look good on a stage.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Wed, Jul 14, 2010 8:54:36am |
re: #362 MandyManners
re: #365 MandyManners
I’d say they’re fair game if they speak out, not if they just show up and look good on a stage.
I think I was a bit confused by the way you phrased it. If they’re just being trotted out as props on a stage, that’s a lot different than them voluntarily showing up and contributing effort to the campaign.
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garhighway Wed, Jul 14, 2010 8:55:11am |
re: #341 thedopefishlives
re: #337 garhighway
I grant you that. It’s shameful, and personally speaking, I don’t think it’s right to attack any family members of a politician/candidate unless they wilfully involve themselves in the campaign.
And even if they involve themselves in the campaign, who’s to say that it was out of obedience/loyalty to their parents or that they were a true volunteer? We can never know that. Better to take them for the dutiful family members that they are (if they are campaigning) and leave them be. Family members never move the needle in major campaigns anyway, so what’s the point?
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Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Jul 14, 2010 8:55:32am |
re: #365 MandyManners
I’d say they’re fair game if they speak out, not if they just show up and look good on a stage.
and in “Playgirl”, don’t forget. Now that constitutes “fair game” on the hoof…
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Targetpractice Wed, Jul 14, 2010 8:55:48am |
re: #365 MandyManners
I’d say they’re fair game if they speak out, not if they just show up and look good on a stage.
That’s pretty much where I stand on it. Though, as we all know, every situation is different.
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MandyManners Wed, Jul 14, 2010 8:56:03am |
re: #364 ralphieboy
I don’t want to play down the political aspect, but one thing that these muslim kids have in common with the skinheads is that they are marginalized, underpriveleged and shut out of higher education and job opportunities.
I think it goes deeper than that. They hate Jews. Plain and simple.
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Semper Fi Wed, Jul 14, 2010 8:56:09am |
re: #360 _RememberTonyC
yeah, but at least her butt doesn’t hurt :)
Obviously has it together. I’m happy for her.
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MandyManners Wed, Jul 14, 2010 8:56:31am |
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Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Jul 14, 2010 8:57:24am |
re: #370 MandyManners
I think it goes deeper than that. They hate Jews. Plain and simple.
they hate, pure and simple. Jews make a convenient target. They would find other lighning rods if the Jews were not there.
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MandyManners Wed, Jul 14, 2010 8:57:32am |
re: #368 ralphieboy
and in “Playgirl”, don’t forget. Now that constitutes “fair game” on the hoof…
Well, he is a hunk. Dumb but, cute.
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Vicious Babushka Wed, Jul 14, 2010 8:57:59am |
re: #364 ralphieboy
I don’t want to play down the political aspect, but one thing that these muslim kids have in common with the skinheads is that they are marginalized, underpriveleged and shut out of higher education and job opportunities.
And if they were mainstream, educated, and wealthy, they’d still hate the Jews.
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Targetpractice Wed, Jul 14, 2010 8:58:03am |
re: #367 garhighway
And even if they involve themselves in the campaign, who’s to say that it was out of obedience/loyalty to their parents or that they were a true volunteer? We can never know that. Better to take them for the dutiful family members that they are (if they are campaigning) and leave them be. Family members never move the needle in major campaigns anyway, so what’s the point?
There has to be a line somewhere. I can see them being off-limits if they’re drug up on stage or sat down in front of a TV camera as political props for their folks. But if they’re in they’re in their mid to late teens and out there beating the bushes for their folks, then they’re fair game. At least that’s how it goes in my book.
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Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Jul 14, 2010 8:58:10am |
re: #374 MandyManners
Well, he is a hunk. Dumb but, cute.
Which means he is a natural fit in the Palin clan.
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MandyManners Wed, Jul 14, 2010 8:58:25am |
re: #373 ralphieboy
they hate, pure and simple. Jews make a convenient target. They would find other lighning rods if the Jews were not there.
Isn’t that saying that, but for the Jews, there’d be no hatred of Jews?
Nazis and Islamists have a long history of acting in concert against Jews.
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MandyManners Wed, Jul 14, 2010 8:58:43am |
re: #375 Alouette
And if they were mainstream, educated, and wealthy, they’d still hate the Jews.
Ding!
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_RememberTonyC Wed, Jul 14, 2010 8:58:45am |
re: #363 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
My prediction is that the GOP will do well in November, but will not be taking the majority in either house of Congress, though they may succeed in doing so on the state and local levels, which is important with the coming redrawing of districts due to the census.
As to whether any gains made, no matter how moderate, will be seen as a “mandate” is something that will have to wait until after the election. If the Tea Party candidates get (rightfully) handed their asses, then perhaps the party will recognize that craziness and ODS is not the means by which to win big in 2012 and moderate the party’s platform. If they don’t, then I fear for the future of the Republic.
correct. but stupid people who deal in black and white (as opposed to grey) often do not grasp the subtleties. so if Gomer Pyle does well, his fellow Gomers will say “hell yeah,” we showed ‘em. The GOP needs to avoid such scenarios and win with ideas and a message of governmental restraint.
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Taqyia2Me Wed, Jul 14, 2010 8:58:50am |
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Targetpractice Wed, Jul 14, 2010 8:59:06am |
re: #373 ralphieboy
they hate, pure and simple. Jews make a convenient target. They would find other lighning rods if the Jews were not there.
Ayep. Any “undesirables” will do if Jews are not immediately handy. If you don’t fit their “ideal” or bow to the same deity they do, then you are a viable target.
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Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Jul 14, 2010 8:59:18am |
re: #375 Alouette
And if they were mainstream, educated, and wealthy, they’d still hate the Jews.
This I am not certain of. I’m not playing down the cultural/religious aspect of it, but I think a great deal of it is frustration and boredom seeking an outlet.
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Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Jul 14, 2010 9:00:50am |
re: #378 MandyManners
Isn’t that saying that, but for the Jews, there’d be no hatred of Jews?
Nazis and Islamists have a long history of acting in concert against Jews.
There would still be hatred, it would just be directed elsewhere, like Gays, Gypsies or intellectuals. Whoever makes a conspicuous target, and is preferably in a minority that can be ganged up on.
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Ebetty Wed, Jul 14, 2010 9:03:20am |
re: #361 MandyManners
True that. I love the school year too but seems like summer is passing by too quickly this year. Grrr.
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_RememberTonyC Wed, Jul 14, 2010 9:03:37am |
recent posts show why there will NEVER be peace in the mideast. 1.2 billion muslims hate a few million Jews. And when the Jews see how the muslims in that part of the world treat each other, would you expect them to trust the “palestinian” promises made in english but not in arabic?
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Semper Fi Wed, Jul 14, 2010 9:03:43am |
re: #363 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
My prediction is that the GOP will do well in November, but will not be taking the majority in either house of Congress, though they may succeed in doing so on the state and local levels, which is important with the coming redrawing of districts due to the census.
As to whether any gains made, no matter how moderate, will be seen as a “mandate” is something that will have to wait until after the election. If the Tea Party candidates get (rightfully) handed their asses, then perhaps the party will recognize that craziness and ODS is not the means by which to win big in 2012 and moderate the party’s platform. If they don’t, then I fear for the future of the Republic.
I feel your prediction for November could workout just that way because I feel alienated by the Republican crazies and I can’t envision that feeling changing in just a couple years. Hmm, I used ‘feel’ 3 times.
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Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Jul 14, 2010 9:04:48am |
re: #387 _RememberTonyC
recent posts show why there will NEVER be peace in the mideast. 1.2 billion muslims hate a few million Jews. And when the Jews see how the muslims in that part of the world treat each other, would you expect them to trust the “palestinian” promises made in english but not in arabic?
You make a lot of assumptions about 1.2 billion muslims, but enough of them do hate Israel enough to ensure that we will not see peace in our time.
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Ebetty Wed, Jul 14, 2010 9:05:25am |
Time to go put story boards together and coddle the graphic artist. Enjoy the day all, ‘specially Mandy.
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Targetpractice Wed, Jul 14, 2010 9:05:26am |
re: #380 _RememberTonyC
correct. but stupid people who deal in black and white (as opposed to grey) often do not grasp the subtleties. so if Gomer Pyle does well, his fellow Gomers will say “hell yeah,” we showed ‘em. The GOP needs to avoid such scenarios and win with ideas and a message of governmental restraint.
Oh sure, you’ll get that too. Many folks, particularly partisans, have a hard time these days differentiating between “repudiation” and “mandate.” What seems to be the power behind the GOP bandwagon right now, more than anything, is an anti-incumbent, “throw the bastards out!” mentality. At the same time, as the wisdom goes, “all politics are local” and folks are not always gonna agree on which “bastards” need to go. But such a mentality acting itself out and leading to a major shift in Congress does not constitute a “mandate,” no matter how much the wingnuts amongst us will crow that it does.
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garhighway Wed, Jul 14, 2010 9:06:28am |
re: #376 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
There has to be a line somewhere. I can see them being off-limits if they’re drug up on stage or sat down in front of a TV camera as political props for their folks. But if they’re in they’re in their mid to late teens and out there beating the bushes for their folks, then they’re fair game. At least that’s how it goes in my book.
You pay your money and you take your choice.
For me, a teen in a family like that isn’t really a free actor. I recognize that other points of view exist, and certainly there is an entire industry built on grabbing up the salacious stories of teens behaving badly and using them to sell ads and airtime. I’ll sit that out. For me, if they aren’t old enough to run for Congress, they aren’t old enough to subject to the full glare of the political/media spotlight.
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_RememberTonyC Wed, Jul 14, 2010 9:07:25am |
re: #389 ralphieboy
You make a lot of assumptions about 1.2 billion muslims, but enough of them do hate Israel enough to ensure that we will not see peace in our time.
we agree …. let’s say just 10-20 percent of the muslim world hates the Jews, that’s still 120-200 million vs fewer than 10 mil. Israel has my permission to do whatever the f**k it needs to in order to stave off a second Holocaust.
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Obdicut Wed, Jul 14, 2010 9:07:35am |
re: #385 ralphieboy
There would still be hatred, it would just be directed elsewhere, like Gays, Gypsies or intellectuals. Whoever makes a conspicuous target, and is preferably in a minority that can be ganged up on.
There already is plenty of hatred targeted against gays and intellectuals; even here in the United States, unfortunately.
The question as to why Jews are picked on historically is more a matter of our success than our failure; there are lots of ethnic groups that have been wiped out, destroyed, or completely assimilated. They suffered fates worse than the Jews, in many ways; persecution was successful. Others have been reduced to a bare shred of previous existence, like the Native Americans, the Ainu— many of these groups live under the rule of their historical oppressor.
So to me it’s really not so strange that there’s hatred for the Jews; there’s always been ethnic strife, religious conflict, and Jews have always been the other. What’s been amazing is that we’ve managed to survive it.
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Semper Fi Wed, Jul 14, 2010 9:08:26am |
Got to sign off for this morning folks. See ya’s later….
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lawhawk Wed, Jul 14, 2010 9:08:31am |
Where oh where is William F. Buckley, the GOP needs you badly.
Sen. David Vitter (R-LA) is now a full blown birther.
Republican Sen. David Vitter told a group of supporters last week he is in favor of groups who may want to take President Obama to court over the belief he is not an American citizen.“I personally don’t have standing to bring litigation to court,” he said at a recent town hall meeting in Metairie, Lousiana, which was caught on video. “But I support conservative legal organizations and others who would bring that to court.”
The Internet has been rampant with claims since 2008 that Obama is not a U.S. citizen, despite having produced a legal document showing his birth in Hawaii, as well as newspaper reports. Officials in Hawaii have verified his birth certificate exists, and several conservative pundits have brushed off “birther” claims as irrelevant.
Calling a legal motion a “valid and possibly effective” effort, Vitter quickly took a step back, suggesting that perhaps there were more important issues to address.
They aren’t irrelevant. They don’t have any facts to back up their claims. It’s wishful thinking supported by delusional thinking that they can overturn the results of the 2008 election. The media looked into the situation and found nothing to support any claims that Obama was born anywhere other than Hawaii. Despite the protestations of the Birthers, HI certifies that he was born in the state. That’s the facts.
This is yet more pandering to the fringe right - which seems to be ever more vocal about being the bulk of the GOP faithful these days.
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Targetpractice Wed, Jul 14, 2010 9:10:31am |
re: #383 ralphieboy
This I am not certain of. I’m not playing down the cultural/religious aspect of it, but I think a great deal of it is frustration and boredom seeking an outlet.
Wealth and opportunity doesn’t seem to blunt the anger, but simply change the tools available. The poor lash out with violence and graffiti, the wealthy lash out with propaganda and political action. The wealthy even use the poor as a form of blunt tool, meant to act out and “eliminate” the object of their mutual hatred. The suicide bomber may be poor and disadvantaged, but it’s the rich guy who provides him with the means to build his vest and get within striking distance.
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_RememberTonyC Wed, Jul 14, 2010 9:11:28am |
re: #394 Obdicut
There already is plenty of hatred targeted against gays and intellectuals; even here in the United States, unfortunately.
The question as to why Jews are picked on historically is more a matter of our success than our failure; there are lots of ethnic groups that have been wiped out, destroyed, or completely assimilated. They suffered fates worse than the Jews, in many ways; persecution was successful. Others have been reduced to a bare shred of previous existence, like the Native Americans, the Ainu— many of these groups live under the rule of their historical oppressor.
So to me it’s really not so strange that there’s hatred for the Jews; there’s always been ethnic strife, religious conflict, and Jews have always been the other. What’s been amazing is that we’ve managed to survive it.
but unfortunately, as a result, the Jews as a people can never collectively just sit back and relax. Certainly the govt of Israel cannot.
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_RememberTonyC Wed, Jul 14, 2010 9:12:14am |
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_RememberTonyC Wed, Jul 14, 2010 9:14:28am |
re: #396 lawhawk
Where oh where is William F. Buckley, the GOP needs you badly.
Sen. David Vitter (R-LA) is now a full blown birther.
They aren’t irrelevant. They don’t have any facts to back up their claims. It’s wishful thinking supported by delusional thinking that they can overturn the results of the 2008 election. The media looked into the situation and found nothing to support any claims that Obama was born anywhere other than Hawaii. Despite the protestations of the Birthers, HI certifies that he was born in the state. That’s the facts.This is yet more pandering to the fringe right - which seems to be ever more vocal about being the bulk of the GOP faithful these days.
more than any other issue, the birth certificate issue is the very definition of ODS.
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Obdicut Wed, Jul 14, 2010 9:15:47am |
re: #399 _RememberTonyC
but unfortunately, as a result, the Jews as a people can never collectively just sit back and relax. Certainly the govt of Israel cannot.
No-one on this earth can ever sit back and relax.
Yes, Israel is surrounded by hostile nations. But they are a nation; they are in a better position than the Kurds, for example, who have just now gained a semi-autonomous nation and are, as always, surrounded by their enemies.
Best thing to come out of Operation Iraqi Freedom, in my opinion, was Iraqi Kurdistan.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Wed, Jul 14, 2010 9:17:48am |
re: #396 lawhawk
The fringe is becoming more and more mainstream these days. When I was at my hometown 4th of July parade, and the Teabaggers went through the lineup, there were cheers and rounds of applause in the crowd. I was sickened.
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_RememberTonyC Wed, Jul 14, 2010 9:18:05am |
re: #402 Obdicut
No-one on this earth can ever sit back and relax.
Yes, Israel is surrounded by hostile nations. But they are a nation; they are in a better position than the Kurds, for example, who have just now gained a semi-autonomous nation and are, as always, surrounded by their enemies.
Best thing to come out of Operation Iraqi Freedom, in my opinion, was Iraqi Kurdistan.
yeah, but the Kurds are favorite targets of the Turks, so that relationship could be interesting.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Jul 14, 2010 9:18:31am |
re: #93 reine.de.tout
Good morning all!
This certainly is odd news:
Bristol and and Levi are engaged.
I envision Todd at the breakfast table. “OK, Sarah, we tried it your way. NOW can I run him over with a snowmobile?”
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lawhawk Wed, Jul 14, 2010 9:18:33am |
re: #402 Obdicut
Which itself was an outgrowth of the first Gulf War, the failure to support the Kurdish and Shiite uprisings, and the establishment of the no-fly zones to protect the survivors from Saddam using aircraft to go after his enemies inside the country.
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aurelius Wed, Jul 14, 2010 9:23:59am |
how can people cheer that racist bullshit?
insanity.
what did the people look like who were cheering?
re: #403 thedopefishlives
The fringe is becoming more and more mainstream these days. When I was at my hometown 4th of July parade, and the Teabaggers went through the lineup, there were cheers and rounds of applause in the crowd. I was sickened.
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_RememberTonyC Wed, Jul 14, 2010 9:24:19am |
re: #406 lawhawk
Which itself was an outgrowth of the first Gulf War, the failure to support the Kurdish and Shiite uprisings, and the establishment of the no-fly zones to protect the survivors from Saddam using aircraft to go after his enemies inside the country.
Kurdistan, the homeland to more than 20 million Kurds, is a nation that exists only in the dreams of the Kurds, and in the long forgotten Treaty of Sevres, which divided up the Ottoman Empire, following World War I. The Kurds, inhabiting parts of Turkey, Iraq and Iran are the largest national group without a country. So why does the UN not demand statehood for THIS group? Perhaps because the oppressors of the Kurds are from (or NOT from) a certain ethnic or religious group?
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MandyManners Wed, Jul 14, 2010 9:25:25am |
re: #402 Obdicut
No-one on this earth can ever sit back and relax.
Yes, Israel is surrounded by hostile nations. But they are a nation; they are in a better position than the Kurds, for example, who have just now gained a semi-autonomous nation and are, as always, surrounded by their enemies.
Best thing to come out of Operation Iraqi Freedom, in my opinion, was Iraqi Kurdistan.
How many millions of Kurds were slaughtered before they fled a continent to set up a nation of their own?
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Jul 14, 2010 9:25:55am |
re: #134 MandyManners
If I had to live in a nation other than this one, I’d probably prefer the French Alps. Or, Scotland. Or, Ireland.
I’d love to live in Ireland part of the year. My husband, meanwhile, fell in love with York while we were visiting.
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aurelius Wed, Jul 14, 2010 9:27:47am |
re: #409 MandyManners
How many millions of Kurds were slaughtered before they fled a continent to set up a nation of their own?
0
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Jul 14, 2010 9:28:26am |
re: #156 MandyManners
Under Iran’s penal code, adultery is the only crime punishable by stoning as an offence “against divine law”. The death sentence may also be imposed for murder, rape, armed robbery and drug trafficking, but offenders are usually hanged.
Are adulterous men stoned, too? Or is that “divine law” bit applicable only to those with a uterus?
If the law parallels the Biblical understanding, adulterous men would also be stoned, but a man is only an ‘adulterer’ if he sleeps with a woman married to someone else, not if he steps out on his wife with a single person.
Not sure it’s the same in Islam.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Jul 14, 2010 9:30:43am |
re: #214 darthstar
You should move to San Diego, where the temperature stays between 60 and 80 most of the year…obviously, seasons don’t agree with you.
//
It’s a nice town, as well.
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RogueOne Wed, Jul 14, 2010 9:34:44am |
re: #363 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
My prediction is that the GOP will do well in November, but will not be taking the majority in either house of Congress, though they may succeed in doing so on the state and local levels, which is important with the coming redrawing of districts due to the census.
As to whether any gains made, no matter how moderate, will be seen as a “mandate” is something that will have to wait until after the election. If the Tea Party candidates get (rightfully) handed their asses, then perhaps the party will recognize that craziness and ODS is not the means by which to win big in 2012 and moderate the party’s platform. If they don’t, then I fear for the future of the Republic.
You’re dreaming! The house is gone, gone, gone. The senate is still in play.
We need to get a pool going on around here.
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Obdicut Wed, Jul 14, 2010 9:35:57am |
re: #409 MandyManners
How many millions of Kurds were slaughtered before they fled a continent to set up a nation of their own?
Um, lots of millions of Kurds have been slaughtered.
And Jews didn’t flee Israel, we were cast out of it by the Romans. Jews really don’t like to cast it in the light of us ‘fleeing’.
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Obdicut Wed, Jul 14, 2010 9:38:37am |
re: #415 Obdicut
And there were quite a few expulsions before that, too, plus slavery, being conquered, etc.
One of the main differences, as I said, is that Jews who were expelled managed to hang together as a coherent group, so we’re still around.
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Targetpractice Wed, Jul 14, 2010 9:40:44am |
re: #414 RogueOne
You’re dreaming! The house is gone, gone, gone. The senate is still in play.
We need to get a pool going on around here.
To win the House, the GOP would have to take 80% of the seats up for grabs and keep all the seats in play that they’re sitting on “in the family.” I just don’t see it happening. They’ll pull the Democrats to within a handful of seats in both houses, but they won’t be taking a majority, short of divine intervention.
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