Utah Investigating 'Illegal Immigrant' List

Utah Investigating ‘Illegal Immigrant’ List

US NewsJuly 2010 • Views: 3,695

Utah state officials are investigating a leak of personal information, after an anonymous conservative group circulated a list of 1,300 people they claim are illegal immigrants, including Social Security numbers and family members’ names and addresses.

The anonymous group mailed the list to several media outlets, law enforcement agencies and others this week, frightening the state’s Hispanic community. A letter accompanying the list demanded that those on it be deported immediately.

The list also contains highly detailed personal information such as Social Security numbers, birth dates, workplaces, addresses and phone numbers. Names of children are included, along with due dates of pregnant women on the list.

Republican Gov. Gary Herbert wrote in a tweet Tuesday that he has asked state agencies to investigate the list’s origin.

Also see

LGF Pages - Anonymous Conservative Group Sends Out List of Hispanics in Utah Suspected of Being Illegals

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182 comments

SpaceJesus Wed, Jul 14, 2010 2:22:40pm

note that the minute men think this list is great, so long as the names on it check out

MandyManners Wed, Jul 14, 2010 2:22:58pm

Names need to be taken and asses need to be kicked over this. This is unconscienceable.

Obdicut Wed, Jul 14, 2010 2:23:29pm

Now, this is what McCarthyism actually looks like, folks. In case you were wondering.

Kragar Wed, Jul 14, 2010 2:24:59pm

Because anonymous lists mailed to the media demanding action based on suspect information are exactly how the Founding Fathers envisioned we conduct ourselves when writing the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

Obdicut Wed, Jul 14, 2010 2:25:09pm

Due dates of pregnant women.

Due dates of pregnant women?

What the fuck.

I can't.. can someone explain that bit of nastiness to me?

albusteve Wed, Jul 14, 2010 2:25:50pm

whoops!...somebody goofed up...no big deal
(meanwhile)
BO is confiscating public land!

Almost Killed by Space Hookers Wed, Jul 14, 2010 2:26:14pm

As I said, it starts with marginalizing groups and attacking people in ways that they can not defend against. This is nothing more or less than thuggery and very little different than the forces that led to kistalnacht. Look plainly at what it is.

Kragar Wed, Jul 14, 2010 2:26:14pm

re: #5 Obdicut

Due dates of pregnant women.

Due dates of pregnant women?

What the fuck.

I can't.. can someone explain that bit of nastiness to me?

Got to catch 'em before the anchor baby or something like that.

Obdicut Wed, Jul 14, 2010 2:26:53pm

re: #6 albusteve

McCarthyist tactics are a really fucking big deal, Steve.

And how is Obama confiscating public land?

If it's public land, who's he confiscating it for?

Fozzie Bear Wed, Jul 14, 2010 2:27:49pm

re: #5 Obdicut

Due dates of pregnant women.

Due dates of pregnant women?

What the fuck.

I can't.. can someone explain that bit of nastiness to me?

That particular bit of nastiness is the "eject by" date for whatever sick fucks made this list.

The due dates are about anchor babies. Get it?

Slap Wed, Jul 14, 2010 2:27:53pm

re: #6 albusteve

Invisible sarc tag?

SpaceJesus Wed, Jul 14, 2010 2:28:49pm

re: #7 LudwigVanQuixote

As I said, it starts with marginalizing groups and attacking people in ways that they can not defend against. This is nothing more or less than thuggery and very little different than the forces that led to kistalnacht. Look plainly at what it is.

a plain look at the website of the group claiming responsibility for this, and the language of the letter they wrote should tell you what way they vote and whether they drink tea or not.

[Link: ccoa.us...]

Image: 2ywsun4.jpg

William Barnett-Lewis Wed, Jul 14, 2010 2:28:57pm

re: #5 Obdicut

Due dates of pregnant women.

Due dates of pregnant women?

What the fuck.

I can't.. can someone explain that bit of nastiness to me?

Anchor babies.

Almost Killed by Space Hookers Wed, Jul 14, 2010 2:29:09pm

re: #5 Obdicut

Due dates of pregnant women.

Due dates of pregnant women?

What the fuck.

I can't.. can someone explain that bit of nastiness to me?

Anchor babies, coupled with the obvious threat that they are watching you.

Think about it, someone not only wants you out of this country but is writing people about your wife's pregnancy. An assault and a threat on a woman you must protect, while she is vulnerable, from the dark, made by thugs.

Like I keep saying, this is what unhinged fear, hatred and race bating brings. The people who made that list would likely cheer if some thug beat her until she miscarried.

albusteve Wed, Jul 14, 2010 2:29:31pm

re: #11 Slap

Invisible sarc tag?

ah, yes!
so what agency would have this sort of info all bundled together?...Human Services, or the health Dept?....shouldn't be to hard to track down the perp

Obdicut Wed, Jul 14, 2010 2:30:44pm

re: #10 Fozzie Bear

Yes. I get it now. What utter assholes.

But how would they get that information? I assume they just made it up. I assume it's all bullshit.

Dear god, when pregnant women are the ones under attack-- even if they have come to the US with the express purpose of wanting their child to be an American citizen, even if that's their whole fucking plan, there is no time I will be comfortable with targeting a group of pregnant women for deportation. Ever.

MandyManners Wed, Jul 14, 2010 2:31:05pm

re: #5 Obdicut

Due dates of pregnant women.

Due dates of pregnant women?

What the fuck.

I can't.. can someone explain that bit of nastiness to me?

Surely HIPAA was violated.

Fozzie Bear Wed, Jul 14, 2010 2:31:29pm

Steve, you gotta use those sarc tags dude! I was very close to flipping my shit, lol.

Obdicut Wed, Jul 14, 2010 2:31:50pm

re: #17 MandyManners

Surely HIPAA was violated.

I'm assuming the list is simply bullshit at this point. I'm hoping it's simply bullshit.

reine.de.tout Wed, Jul 14, 2010 2:32:13pm

re: #15 albusteve

ah, yes!
so what agency would have this sort of info all bundled together?...Human Services, or the health Dept?...shouldn't be to hard to track down the perp

I think you might be on to something.

If you make a request for public records, one item that is always kept confidential is the social security number. So if SSN's are showing on this list, it seems to me it would have to have come from someone in a position to have that information, which would be some sort of governmental agency.

I'm not liking where this train of thought is taking me.

Almost Killed by Space Hookers Wed, Jul 14, 2010 2:33:02pm

re: #6 albusteve

whoops!...somebody goofed up...no big deal
(meanwhile)
BO is confiscating public land!

So you are actually belittling this? I had thought that even your detestable trolling had limits. This is a direct threat and an invasive one from a shadowy enemy on pregnant families.

If you had a pregnant wife and someone, who clearly didn't like you, were posting her due date, what would you think?

You would get all mountain man and gun loving. But then again, much like when it comes to government health dollars, you are fine with thses things when it comes to covering you own hypocritical ass, but happy to screw others. I can't believe you are belittling this.

You have always been scum steve.

albusteve Wed, Jul 14, 2010 2:33:05pm

re: #18 Fozzie Bear

Steve, you gotta use those sarc tags dude! I was very close to flipping my shit, lol.

I've never used a sarc tag....but then some people use three for no apparent reason

Shiplord Kirel Wed, Jul 14, 2010 2:33:10pm

This purports to have very detailed information on more than 1300 people. How accurate can this be without continuous and very intrusive updating? Any citizen or green-card holder on the list has an open and shut case for defamation.

MandyManners Wed, Jul 14, 2010 2:33:12pm

re: #3 Obdicut

Now, this is what McCarthyism actually looks like, folks. In case you were wondering.

This is worse.

Fozzie Bear Wed, Jul 14, 2010 2:33:14pm

re: #20 reine.de.tout

This is classic "Oathkeeper" stuff.

Walter L. Newton Wed, Jul 14, 2010 2:33:32pm

I'm confused by the origins of this nasty little list. The link to the graphic of the "memo" says "Concerned Citizens of the United States." Another link goes to the website of "Concerned Citizens of America" and the article and quotes above call the group "anonymous."

Which one is correct?

SpaceJesus Wed, Jul 14, 2010 2:33:51pm

re: #19 Obdicut

I'm assuming the list is simply bullshit at this point. I'm hoping it's simply bullshit.

reporters have called people on the list and confirmed things.

Almost Killed by Space Hookers Wed, Jul 14, 2010 2:34:00pm

re: #12 SpaceJesus

a plain look at the website of the group claiming responsibility for this, and the language of the letter they wrote should tell you what way they vote and whether they drink tea or not.

[Link: ccoa.us...]

Image: 2ywsun4.jpg

Damn straight.

calochortus Wed, Jul 14, 2010 2:34:04pm

Definitely a new level of ugliness.

MandyManners Wed, Jul 14, 2010 2:34:06pm

re: #19 Obdicut

I'm assuming the list is simply bullshit at this point. I'm hoping it's simply bullshit.

If it's bullshit, what's the big deal, then?

albusteve Wed, Jul 14, 2010 2:34:28pm

re: #20 reine.de.tout

I think you might be on to something.

If you make a request for public records, one item that is always kept confidential is the social security number. So if SSN's are showing on this list, it seems to me it would have to have come from someone in a position to have that information, which would be some sort of governmental agency.

I'm not liking where this train of thought is taking me.

obviously a well thought out inside job, probably done by some senior employee at the state level...my guess anyway

Cheechako Wed, Jul 14, 2010 2:35:26pm

Looks like everyone is as speechless as I am.

Shiplord Kirel Wed, Jul 14, 2010 2:35:36pm

re: #20 reine.de.tout

I think you might be on to something.

If you make a request for public records, one item that is always kept confidential is the social security number. So if SSN's are showing on this list, it seems to me it would have to have come from someone in a position to have that information, which would be some sort of governmental agency.

I'm not liking where this train of thought is taking me.

The due dates point strongly to some sort of public health care agency as the source. If so, we have a massive hard-time felony here.

(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Wed, Jul 14, 2010 2:35:47pm

Would be funny if somebody will leak the list of names and personal information of the people who leaked this list.

Obdicut Wed, Jul 14, 2010 2:35:48pm

re: #27 SpaceJesus

reporters have called people on the list and confirmed things.

Ah christ. What the fuck is going on. This is dangerous, dangerous crap.

If a pregnant woman gets fucking assaulted because of this fucking list I will lose my goddamn cool.

MandyManners Wed, Jul 14, 2010 2:36:02pm

re: #23 Shiplord Kirel

This purports to have very detailed information on more than 1300 people. How accurate can this be without continuous and very intrusive updating? Any citizen or green-card holder on the list has an open and shut case for defamation.

Defamation? If it's factual information, it's not defamation. Instead, it might be a violation of privacy, and in the case of medical information, it might be a violation of HIPAA.

Randall Gross Wed, Jul 14, 2010 2:36:17pm

Freaking outrageous.

albusteve Wed, Jul 14, 2010 2:36:32pm

re: #33 Shiplord Kirel

The due dates point strongly to some sort of public health care agency as the source. If so, we have a massive hard-time felony here.

yup, exactly...check and see who has recently 'retired' from key agencies

calochortus Wed, Jul 14, 2010 2:36:43pm

re: #12 SpaceJesus

Pardon my ignorance, but if this group claims responsibility and has a website, shouldn't it be relatively easy to track them down?

Fozzie Bear Wed, Jul 14, 2010 2:36:50pm

Before you start rounding people up or hunting them down, you need to make a list.

This is getting really, really bad.

Obdicut Wed, Jul 14, 2010 2:36:54pm

re: #33 Shiplord Kirel

We had an incident at the women's health clinic near where I lived-- they did abortions, they had a temp who released client data to an anti-abortion mailing list. They tightened up security procedures after that.

Fucking hell, the things we do to each other in this world.

MandyManners Wed, Jul 14, 2010 2:36:56pm

re: #34 000G

Would be funny if somebody will leak the list of names and personal information of the people who leaked this list.

Retaliatory violation of privacy is not the answer.

Obdicut Wed, Jul 14, 2010 2:37:13pm

re: #37 Thanos

Freaking outrageous.

You're alive!

Yay.

Almost Killed by Space Hookers Wed, Jul 14, 2010 2:37:30pm

re: #35 Obdicut

Ah christ. What the fuck is going on. This is dangerous, dangerous crap.

If a pregnant woman gets fucking assaulted because of this fucking list I will lose my goddamn cool.

Of course that is what the posters of the list are hoping for. It adds to the intimidation factor.

Gus Wed, Jul 14, 2010 2:37:32pm

re: #37 Thanos

Freaking outrageous.

Thanos! We were looking for you.

RadicalModerate Wed, Jul 14, 2010 2:37:53pm

re: #40 Fozzie Bear

Before you start rounding people up or hunting them down, you need to make a list.

This is getting really, really bad.

Of course, these same people would call the Obama administration "nazi-like" with a straight face.

albusteve Wed, Jul 14, 2010 2:37:54pm

re: #39 calochortus

Pardon my ignorance, but if this group claims responsibility and has a website, shouldn't it be relatively easy to track them down?

not if they pull it and are really good...certainly not impossible...need the FBI on this one

(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Wed, Jul 14, 2010 2:37:57pm

re: #42 MandyManners

Retaliatory violation of privacy is not the answer.

No, but I would still be smiling about it. It's called Schadenfreude. It's a german thing.

Walter L. Newton Wed, Jul 14, 2010 2:37:57pm

re: #36 MandyManners

Defamation? If it's factual information, it's not defamation. Instead, it might be a violation of privacy, and in the case of medical information, it might be a violation of HIPAA.

It's a violation of HIPPA if any of the information came from medical sources, medical records or any database that has medical data in it and the database is covered by HIPPA regulations.

Almost Killed by Space Hookers Wed, Jul 14, 2010 2:38:20pm

re: #42 MandyManners

Retaliatory violation of privacy is not the answer.

No, but prison time is.

MandyManners Wed, Jul 14, 2010 2:38:31pm

re: #44 LudwigVanQuixote

Of course that is what the posters of the list are hoping for. It adds to the intimidation factor.

So, you're claiming that the makers of this list want to batter a pregnant woman which could kill her unborn child? Really?

Shiplord Kirel Wed, Jul 14, 2010 2:38:41pm

re: #36 MandyManners

Defamation? If it's factual information, it's not defamation. Instead, it might be a violation of privacy, and in the case of medical information, it might be a violation of HIPAA.

Mandy, if they are citizens or green-carders, the claim of illegal status is NOT accurate but it could be extremely damaging.

albusteve Wed, Jul 14, 2010 2:38:49pm

re: #37 Thanos

Freaking outrageous.

Thanos!....he has risen!

(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Wed, Jul 14, 2010 2:39:09pm

re: #51 MandyManners

So, you're claiming that the makers of this list want to batter a pregnant woman which could kill her unborn child? Really?

Maybe not the makers. But I would bet you $5 that the makers would not be unhappy if somebody battered in their stead.

Cheese Eating Victory Monkey Wed, Jul 14, 2010 2:39:21pm

I find it ironic that this group remains anonymous while rampantly invading other peoples' privacy.

Eclectic Infidel Wed, Jul 14, 2010 2:39:49pm

Thuggery.

MandyManners Wed, Jul 14, 2010 2:39:59pm

re: #48 000G

No, but I would still be smiling about it. It's called Schadenfreude. It's a german thing.

I know what it is. I still don't think it's right. Investigate. Make arrests. Prosecute.

reine.de.tout Wed, Jul 14, 2010 2:40:10pm

re: #33 Shiplord Kirel

The due dates point strongly to some sort of public health care agency as the source. If so, we have a massive hard-time felony here.

I worked for a public agency.

If you are entrusted with a public salary, maintaining the integrity of confidential information is a VERY big deal.

Of course we don't know yet where the information came from, this is all speculation at this point. But I just don't know how someone could gather all of that information on his own.

MandyManners Wed, Jul 14, 2010 2:40:25pm

re: #49 Walter L. Newton

It's a violation of HIPPA if any of the information came from medical sources, medical records or any database that has medical data in it and the database is covered by HIPPA regulations.

Yep.

calochortus Wed, Jul 14, 2010 2:40:31pm

re: #47 albusteve

Well the site is up now-and judging by its appearance it was not developed by anyone with recent experience in web design (or taste, or ease in reading...) so I'm guessing they aren't going to be super savvy about hiding their tracks.

Almost Killed by Space Hookers Wed, Jul 14, 2010 2:40:37pm

re: #51 MandyManners

So, you're claiming that the makers of this list want to batter a pregnant woman which could kill her unborn child? Really?

Yes. I am certain it is exactly like the people in the anti-abortion world who makes lists of MDs who perform abortions. I am saying that the entire point of such a list is intimidation,. If these thugs can o get the state to turn draconian, they can make these people afraid for their lives and move out. If a pregnant woman gets battered than so much the better for their cause, and of course that is what they want.

Walter L. Newton Wed, Jul 14, 2010 2:40:46pm

re: #51 MandyManners

So, you're claiming that the makers of this list want to batter a pregnant woman which could kill her unborn child? Really?

Here is a quote from one of the letters sent with a list...

In the April letter, the writers say their group "observes these individuals in our neighborhoods, driving on our streets, working in our stores, attending our schools and entering our public welfare buildings."

"We then spend the time and effort needed to gather information along with legal Mexican nationals who infiltrate their social networks and help us obtain the necessary information we need to add them to our list," the letter says."

MandyManners Wed, Jul 14, 2010 2:40:55pm

re: #50 LudwigVanQuixote

No, but prison time is.

Oh, without a doubt. I wonder if the feds could get involved in this.

engineer cat Wed, Jul 14, 2010 2:40:58pm

conservative group circulated a list of 1,300 people they claim

are communists working in the state department?

reine.de.tout Wed, Jul 14, 2010 2:40:58pm

re: #37 Thanos

Freaking outrageous.

Hey!
Good to "see" you, had no clue you had surgery coming up 'til I saw the "I live" comment you posted.

Hope all is going very very well for you.

Eclectic Infidel Wed, Jul 14, 2010 2:41:27pm

re: #23 Shiplord Kirel

This purports to have very detailed information on more than 1300 people. How accurate can this be without continuous and very intrusive updating? Any citizen or green-card holder on the list has an open and shut case for defamation.

Facts trump defamation. Now violation of privacy....

MandyManners Wed, Jul 14, 2010 2:41:40pm

re: #52 Shiplord Kirel

Mandy, if they are citizens or green-carders, the claim of illegal status is NOT accurate but it could be extremely damaging.

I'm not worried about that in light of the possible violations of privacy and HIPAA.

Fozzie Bear Wed, Jul 14, 2010 2:41:43pm

re: #51 MandyManners

So, you're claiming that the makers of this list want to batter a pregnant woman which could kill her unborn child? Really?

No. It works in stages, with each step divorced from the next, so nobody feels directly responsible for the ultimate result. This is the banality of evil, on display.

The first step is whipping up a fear of the other as an abstract entity.
The second step is identifying the other on an individual level.
I think you can guess the third step.

SpaceJesus Wed, Jul 14, 2010 2:41:44pm

re: #35 Obdicut

Ah christ. What the fuck is going on. This is dangerous, dangerous crap.

If a pregnant woman gets fucking assaulted because of this fucking list I will lose my goddamn cool.

you should avoid the comments about this story at some of the right-wing sites then for your health.

Kragar Wed, Jul 14, 2010 2:41:54pm

Usually, when something like this happens, there is an implied "or else."

The question now is "or else what?"

Shiplord Kirel Wed, Jul 14, 2010 2:42:02pm

re: #64 engineer dog

conservative group circulated a list of 1,300 people they claim

are communists working in the state department?

Even McCarthy never claimed to have the due dates of pregnant commies.

(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Wed, Jul 14, 2010 2:42:05pm

re: #57 MandyManners

I know what it is. I still don't think it's right. Investigate. Make arrests. Prosecute.

I know what you mean. There is the right thing to do. As a people. The law. Etc.

But I would be a liar if I said that I were to be very sad about somebody screwing somebody else over getting screwed in just the same way. Kind of like when I read about a hunter who is out to hunt rabbits and ending up shooting himself.

Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All Wed, Jul 14, 2010 2:42:06pm

I had already read the comment thread over at Balloon-Juice on this one, because they've got some really good pointed thoughts I wish I'd thought of. One of the most disheartening things about this is seeing the comment thread on the yahoo article. I'm beginning to lose faith that the majority of Americans are good people. People are too easily swayed by fear and xenophobia, and a bad economy will cause people to overlook the xenophobia and racism that has poisoned the Republican party.

I'd call this a stunt, and dismiss it, but when you read studies that show that too many people are willing to ignore accurate information if it doesn't fit their worldview, you realize that it doesn't matter if something is a stunt, it helps solidify the worldview, and in this case the worldview is that there are too many nasty dirty illegals downloading babies and stealing from America. Just because the facts on the ground don't support this worldview does not matter, because facts no longer matter and America is a weaker country because of the continued use of fear which weakens reason and the resolve in America to do the right and reasonable things instead of reacting like scared children.

Where's the America I love?

albusteve Wed, Jul 14, 2010 2:42:10pm

re: #60 calochortus

Well the site is up now-and judging by its appearance it was not developed by anyone with recent experience in web design (or taste, or ease in reading...) so I'm guessing they aren't going to be super savvy about hiding their tracks.

hard to tell....a crappy site might be some sort of camo...who knows?

MandyManners Wed, Jul 14, 2010 2:42:16pm

re: #54 000G

Maybe not the makers. But I would bet you $5 that the makers would not be unhappy if somebody battered in their stead.

I won't go there because that's ascribing homicidal thoughts to people.

Almost Killed by Space Hookers Wed, Jul 14, 2010 2:42:43pm

re: #69 SpaceJesus

you should avoid the comments about this story at some of the right-wing sites then for your health.

Exactly. Let me guess, repulsive cretins drooling about kicking the baby out of her belly?

(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Wed, Jul 14, 2010 2:42:46pm

re: #75 MandyManners

I won't go there because that's ascribing homicidal thoughts to people.

Bless your heart.

Almost Killed by Space Hookers Wed, Jul 14, 2010 2:43:27pm

re: #70 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Usually, when something like this happens, there is an implied "or else."

The question now is "or else what?"

aAn implied or else from a stranger that knows about your pregnant wife's due date, but you don't know who he is, is a very very big or else.

Killgore Trout Wed, Jul 14, 2010 2:43:34pm

re: #37 Thanos

Freaking outrageous.

Good to see you again! We were worried

MandyManners Wed, Jul 14, 2010 2:43:44pm

Church night so I gotta' finish dinner. Meat loaf. Potatoe salad. Steamed green beans. Biscuits. Sorbet.

calochortus Wed, Jul 14, 2010 2:44:38pm

And this is yet another reason why the economy needs to improve. Frightened people are far more willing to do evil.

SpaceJesus Wed, Jul 14, 2010 2:45:11pm

re: #76 LudwigVanQuixote

Exactly. Let me guess, repulsive cretins drooling about kicking the baby out of her belly?

along those lines. and that's just fox news.

Almost Killed by Space Hookers Wed, Jul 14, 2010 2:46:06pm

re: #82 SpaceJesus

along those lines. and that's just fox news.

Really, could you collect some from Fox, the anti-abortion element vs. the racist element is worth highlighting. That and of course it is Fox.

Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All Wed, Jul 14, 2010 2:46:06pm

re: #66 eclectic infidel

Facts trump defamation. Now violation of privacy...

It is, however if I am here legally, and someone were to claim I'm here illegally, because of the attitudes towards illegal, I could reasonably claim that my name being published inaccurately stating that I was here illegally is libel.

Fozzie Bear Wed, Jul 14, 2010 2:46:27pm

All that's left for the right wing to do is identify their preferred final solution to the "mexican problem".

I wish this warranted sarc tags.

Ebetty Wed, Jul 14, 2010 2:46:33pm

I learn more and more everyday. The depth of crazy on the Right is officially infinite. This plus Geller. Blech. Going for a long, long run.

Walter L. Newton Wed, Jul 14, 2010 2:47:14pm

re: #59 MandyManners

Yep.

I have created medical software and databases that are beholden to HIPAA regulations. There is even regulations on how data can be extracted, yet the agency receiving the extraction cannot be given any information that would allow them to "link" back to a fuller dataset of information. There is a chain of custody with the data, and the issuer of a certain set of data are the only entity that can reference that data back to the source. I deal with Kaiser data 4-5 times a year, and any extraction procedures I create, I must create them so only the department or entity that extracted the data can link it back. It's tricky programming some times, but necessary to privacy issues.

windsagio Wed, Jul 14, 2010 2:47:23pm

fun is fun, but gotta reinstall firefox.

Laters!

albusteve Wed, Jul 14, 2010 2:47:26pm

re: #85 Fozzie Bear

All that's left for the right wing to do is identify their preferred final solution to the "mexican problem".

I wish this warranted sarc tags.

well you should capitalize 'Mexican'

Kragar Wed, Jul 14, 2010 2:47:59pm

God, I'm going to have fucking nightmares now

Doomsday: How BP Gulf disaster may have triggered a 'world-killing' event

Northwestern University's Gregory Ryskin, a bio-chemical engineer, has a theory: The oceans periodically produce massive eruptions of explosive methane gas. He has documented the scientific evidence that such an event was directly responsible for the mass extinctions that occurred 55 million years ago. [4]

Many geologists concur: "The consequences of a methane-driven oceanic eruption for marine and terrestrial life are likely to be catastrophic. Figuratively speaking, the erupting region "boils over," ejecting a large amount of methane and other gases (e.g., CO2, H2S) into the atmosphere, and flooding large areas of land. Whereas pure methane is lighter than air, methane loaded with water droplets is much heavier, and thus spreads over the land, mixing with air in the process (and losing water as rain). The air-methane mixture is explosive at methane concentrations between 5% and 15%; as such mixtures form in different locations near the ground and are ignited by lightning, explosions and conflagrations destroy most of the terrestrial life, and also produce great amounts of smoke and of carbon dioxide..." [5]

The warning signs of an impending planetary catastrophe—of such great magnitude that the human mind has difficulty grasping it-would be the appearance of large fissures or rifts splitting open the ocean floor, a rise in the elevation of the seabed, and the massive venting of methane and other gases into the surrounding water.

Such occurrences can lead to the rupture of the methane bubble containment—it can then permit the methane to breach the subterranean depths and undergo an explosive decompression as it catapults into the Gulf waters. [6]

All three warning signs are documented to be occurring in the Gulf.

Almost Killed by Space Hookers Wed, Jul 14, 2010 2:48:22pm

re: #85 Fozzie Bear

All that's left for the right wing to do is identify their preferred final solution to the "mexican problem".

I wish this warranted sarc tags.

They will criminalize gays that way first. Illegals will simply face getting shot at the border and other minority groups members, who speak out, will become "terrorists." Hell look at the black panther flap.

Walter L. Newton Wed, Jul 14, 2010 2:49:05pm

re: #60 calochortus

Well the site is up now-and judging by its appearance it was not developed by anyone with recent experience in web design (or taste, or ease in reading...) so I'm guessing they aren't going to be super savvy about hiding their tracks.

I asked this up thread, no answer, and I can't come up with one... ANYONE have an idea...

"I'm confused by the origins of this nasty little list. The link to the graphic of the "memo" says "Concerned Citizens of the United States." Another link goes to the website of "Concerned Citizens of America" and the article and quotes above call the group "anonymous." Which one is correct?"

Eclectic Infidel Wed, Jul 14, 2010 2:49:11pm

re: #84 bloodstar

It is, however if I am here legally, and someone were to claim I'm here illegally, because of the attitudes towards illegal, I could reasonably claim that my name being published inaccurately stating that I was here illegally is libel.

Yes, it could be valid, 'course, there is the issue of damages (the other two points are covered, publication by a 3rd party with intent to do harm).

darthstar Wed, Jul 14, 2010 2:50:47pm

re: #80 MandyManners

Church night so I gotta' finish dinner. Meat loaf. Potatoe salad. Steamed green beans. Biscuits. Sorbet.

Having Dan Quayle over for dinner?

HappyBenghazi Wed, Jul 14, 2010 2:50:55pm

Down right creepy if you ask me especially the bit about due dates for pregnant women.

Slap Wed, Jul 14, 2010 2:51:02pm

re: #69 SpaceJesus

SJ, those blogs are where you'd expect to find the worst.

Try the comments section of any city's newspaper website sometime. The Sac Bee is, sadly, far more typical than I would have hoped.

The hate sites are where many of 'em gather, but they spread their feces all over local papers.

I'd merely add these to your list of places one wouldn't want to go if one has any hope of retaining a positive view of humanity.....

albusteve Wed, Jul 14, 2010 2:51:04pm

re: #91 LudwigVanQuixote

They will criminalize gays that way first. Illegals will simply face getting shot at the border and other minority groups members, who speak out, will become "terrorists." Hell look at the black panther flap.

I doubt it

Randall Gross Wed, Jul 14, 2010 2:51:24pm

re: #43 Obdicut

You're alive!

Yay.

Yes I am -- 13 days later, Five bypasses, a pneumothorax, and a pacemaker later I am doing great and feeling better than before I went in.

polkadot Wed, Jul 14, 2010 2:52:00pm

re: #98 Thanos

The six million dollar man!

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darthstar Wed, Jul 14, 2010 2:52:13pm

re: #92 Walter L. Newton

I asked this up thread, no answer, and I can't come up with one... ANYONE have an idea...

"I'm confused by the origins of this nasty little list. The link to the graphic of the "memo" says "Concerned Citizens of the United States." Another link goes to the website of "Concerned Citizens of America" and the article and quotes above call the group "anonymous." Which one is correct?"

It's the Concerned American Citizens People's Front of Judea...or the Judean People's Concerned American Citizens Front...or something.

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Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All Wed, Jul 14, 2010 2:52:20pm

re: #93 eclectic infidel

Yes, it could be valid, 'course, there is the issue of damages (the other two points are covered, publication by a 3rd party with intent to do harm).

If someone here legally gets harrassed or assaulted by a 'concerned citizen' or finds themselves in a deportation facility (don't laugh, legal US residents and even citizens have been held for deportation for simply being in the wrong place at the wrong time, or for being falsely reported as here illegally), I would hope the damages would be pretty durn high.

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Digital Display Wed, Jul 14, 2010 2:52:37pm

re: #78 LudwigVanQuixote

aAn implied or else from a stranger that knows about your pregnant wife's due date, but you don't know who he is, is a very very big or else.

The data such as SS#, due dates and phone numbers and employment information indicates to me a Social Services file system print out...
Sys Admins assign permissions to groups to certain folders...Anybody accessing this directory or running a report can be tracked...Of course..If a thousand people in the State could access this it makes it much more complicated..A common signature across a thousand files lands your ass in jail

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calochortus Wed, Jul 14, 2010 2:52:47pm

re: #92 Walter L. Newton

I don't know-I was just following one of the links.

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Randall Gross Wed, Jul 14, 2010 2:52:48pm

re: #79 Killgore Trout

Good to see you again! We were worried

Thanks,

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darthstar Wed, Jul 14, 2010 2:53:03pm

re: #99 polkadot

The six million dollar man!

And that's just the co-pay.

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RadicalModerate Wed, Jul 14, 2010 2:53:09pm

One question for the idiots who sent out this letter and "list".

You mention that you have Social Security numbers of 1300 "illegals".

Last time I checked, only citizens, permanent residents, and 205(c)(s) work visa recipients get an actual Social Security card. If you've just published the personal information of legal card holders, EACH name and associated number you've published is a felony.

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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Jul 14, 2010 2:53:18pm

The list also contains highly detailed personal information such as Social Security numbers, birth dates, workplaces, addresses and phone numbers. Names of children are included, along with due dates of pregnant women on the list.

Un. Fucking. Believable. Disgusting.

Republican Gov. Gary Herbert wrote in a tweet Tuesday that he has asked state agencies to investigate the list’s origin.

Good. There better be some serious ass-busting for this bullshit.

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albusteve Wed, Jul 14, 2010 2:53:35pm

re: #98 Thanos

Yes I am -- 13 days later, Five bypasses, a pneumothorax, and a pacemaker later I am doing great and feeling better than before I went in.

holy smokes bro...maybe you are luckier than I thought at first...a pneumo can be fatal

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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Jul 14, 2010 2:53:56pm

re: #37 Thanos

Freaking outrageous.

Nice to see you're doing well. You are doing well, right?

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albusteve Wed, Jul 14, 2010 2:54:13pm

re: #105 darthstar

And that's just the co-pay.

perfect

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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Wed, Jul 14, 2010 2:54:14pm

re: #98 Thanos

Yes I am -- 13 days later, Five bypasses, a pneumothorax, and a pacemaker later I am doing great and feeling better than before I went in.

Get well bro! We missed you!

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calochortus Wed, Jul 14, 2010 2:54:34pm

re: #90 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

If I understand correctly this is theoretically possible in the Gulf, but extremely unlikely. Extremely. If you really want to enjoy some nightmares, there is a global warming scenario that includes the increased temperatures melting the methane and releasing it-world wide.

Pleasant dreams.

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Walter L. Newton Wed, Jul 14, 2010 2:55:03pm

re: #103 calochortus

I don't know-I was just following one of the links.

And you didn't notice that the memo had one title for the group, and the link tot he website had another title, and the articles are using the word "anonymous." It would be nice to know which crazies actually produced this list. You can't tell wackos without a program nowadays.

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albusteve Wed, Jul 14, 2010 2:55:21pm

re: #109 Slumbering Behemoth

Nice to see you're doing well. You are doing well, right?

posting from his death bed, one loyal lizard....they will write epic poems about the Mighty Thanos someday

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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Jul 14, 2010 2:55:26pm

re: #98 Thanos

Yes I am -- 13 days later, Five bypasses, a pneumothorax, and a pacemaker later I am doing great and feeling better than before I went in.

JFC! Get well soon bro.

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calochortus Wed, Jul 14, 2010 2:55:31pm

re: #106 RadicalModerate

One question for the idiots who sent out this letter and "list".

You mention that you have Social Security numbers of 1300 "illegals".

Last time I checked, only citizens, permanent residents, and 205(c)(s) work visa recipients get an actual Social Security card. If you've just published the personal information of legal card holders, EACH name and associated number you've published is a felony.

That's a very good point...

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Jul 14, 2010 2:56:27pm

re: #90 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

o_o

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Killgore Trout Wed, Jul 14, 2010 2:56:32pm

Included with the new letter is one dated April 4 addressed to "Customs and Immigration" and from "Concerned Citizens of the United States."
In the April letter, the writers say their group "observes these individuals in our neighborhoods, driving on our streets, working in our stores, attending our schools and entering our public welfare buildings."

BTW, "Concerned Citizens of the United States" is almost certainly one of those "patriot" groups we've been hearing so much about these days.

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Randall Gross Wed, Jul 14, 2010 2:57:26pm

re: #108 albusteve

holy smokes bro...maybe you are luckier than I thought at first...a pneumo can be fatal

Yep, but they have great widgets to take care of these now, not as big a deal as they used to be, I will see if I can post some pics later.
One recommendation if you are +40: pay the bucks to get a cardio scan if you have the risk factors for this, it can save your fucking life. [ and improve it: even though I just got out of surgery two days ago I can walk a mile or two further than the full yr prior right now....]

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Fozzie Bear Wed, Jul 14, 2010 2:58:18pm

re: #90 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

God, I'm going to have fucking nightmares now

Doomsday: How BP Gulf disaster may have triggered a 'world-killing' event

Well, shit, lets hope this guy is a crackpot. If he's right, we're fucked.

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Randall Gross Wed, Jul 14, 2010 2:58:58pm

re: #118 Killgore Trout

BTW, "Concerned Citizens of the United States" is almost certainly one of those "patriot" groups we've been hearing so much about these days.

I've seen something on this group before IIRC -- a couple of whackball political newbie Tea party types if I'm thinking of the right group. I'll do some digging later.

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Kragar Wed, Jul 14, 2010 2:59:41pm

re: #120 Fozzie Bear

Well, shit, lets hope this guy is a crackpot. If he's right, we're fucked.

God, I fucking hope he's nuts. I'm scared shitless right now.

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darthstar Wed, Jul 14, 2010 3:00:11pm

re: #114 albusteve

posting from his death bed, one loyal lizard...they will write epic poems about the Mighty Thanos someday

Of Thanos I sing, a key, and a ring,
A lizard's journey from winter to spring,
From a hospital bed, after surgery on heart,
Only to learn anaestesia makes you fart...

No...too soon for that epic poem...it'll have to wait.

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Jul 14, 2010 3:00:32pm

re: #120 Fozzie Bear

Well, shit, lets hope this guy is a crackpot. If he's right, we're fucked.

I'm getting a beer, I need it

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Obdicut Wed, Jul 14, 2010 3:00:52pm

re: #122 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I haven't seen anything asserting the seabed is rising in the Gulf.

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calochortus Wed, Jul 14, 2010 3:01:18pm

Well, I'm off to borrow a sewing machine. Mine has been in "the shop" way to long and I'm getting withdrawal... Later.

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darthstar Wed, Jul 14, 2010 3:02:42pm

re: #120 Fozzie Bear

Well, shit, lets hope this guy is a crackpot. If he's right, we're fucked.

If he's right, I'm not going to pay off the rest of my student loans.

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Walter L. Newton Wed, Jul 14, 2010 3:02:51pm

re: #121 Thanos

I've seen something on this group before IIRC -- a couple of whackball political newbie Tea party types if I'm thinking of the right group. I'll do some digging later.

I can't find a website or any references to them except in regards to this Utah incident.

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albusteve Wed, Jul 14, 2010 3:03:18pm

re: #119 Thanos

Yep, but they have great widgets to take care of these now, not as big a deal as they used to be, I will see if I can post some pics later.
One recommendation if you are +40: pay the bucks to get a cardio scan if you have the risk factors for this, it can save your fucking life. [ and improve it: even though I just got out of surgery two days ago I can walk a mile or two further than the full yr prior right now...]

you callin me OLD?
otherwise good news, and good for you....jolly up and it will all be a vague memory soon

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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Wed, Jul 14, 2010 3:03:35pm

re: #90 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

This is definitely a problem. However, I think that it is also a bit overstated here.

The amounts of methane coming up are a terrible thing on vastly many levels and there is certainly going to be a gigantic dead zone as a result of this.

A large methane blow though is unlikely to be of the magnitude that this article describes.

Notice I said unlikely.

Not impossible.

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Kragar Wed, Jul 14, 2010 3:03:55pm

re: #127 darthstar

If he's right, I'm not going to pay off the rest of my student loans.

Great, I'm stuck in "We're all going to fucking die" mode and I left my prescription at home.

Fucking god damn stress disorder.

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albusteve Wed, Jul 14, 2010 3:04:16pm

re: #127 darthstar

If he's right, I'm not going to pay off the rest of my student loans.

I'll be headed to Jamaica for the Light Show Of a Lifetime!

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Jul 14, 2010 3:04:25pm

re: #130 LudwigVanQuixote

Dammit! I was hoping you'd dismiss it completely! Fooey.

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darthstar Wed, Jul 14, 2010 3:04:30pm

re: #131 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Great, I'm stuck in "We're all going to fucking die" mode and I left my prescription at home.

Fucking god damn stress disorder.

I prefer "We're all going to die fucking"

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Obdicut Wed, Jul 14, 2010 3:05:04pm

re: #131 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Here's a cure:

Youtube Video

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engineer cat Wed, Jul 14, 2010 3:05:31pm

re: #90 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

God, I'm going to have fucking nightmares now

Doomsday: How BP Gulf disaster may have triggered a 'world-killing' event

there was another equally disturbing report from a bio-scientist that i heard immediately after the failure of the wellhead, which is this: the gulf biosystem is the starting point of the chain of events that produces what is by far the largest source of oxygen for this planet. if the spill gets bad enough to wipe out the gulf ecosystem, we will all suffocate

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Kragar Wed, Jul 14, 2010 3:07:14pm

re: #136 engineer dog

there was another equally disturbing report from a bio-scientist that i heard immediately after the failure of the wellhead, which is this: the gulf biosystem is the starting point of the chain of events that produces what is by far the largest source of oxygen for this planet. if the spill gets bad enough to wipe out the gulf ecosystem, we will all suffocate

I had read another report thought saying that certain species of worm were thriving in the region, digging into the seabed and beginning the repair of the ecosystem.

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darthstar Wed, Jul 14, 2010 3:07:24pm

re: #136 engineer dog

there was another equally disturbing report from a bio-scientist that i heard immediately after the failure of the wellhead, which is this: the gulf biosystem is the starting point of the chain of events that produces what is by far the largest source of oxygen for this planet. if the spill gets bad enough to wipe out the gulf ecosystem, we will all suffocate

I see a Keanu Reeves/Bruce Willis epic coming from this.

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Obdicut Wed, Jul 14, 2010 3:08:23pm

re: #138 darthstar

I see a Keanu Reeves/Bruce Willis epic coming from this.

Haven't we suffered enough?

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darthstar Wed, Jul 14, 2010 3:08:57pm

re: #137 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I had read another report thought saying that certain species of worm were thriving in the region, digging into the seabed and beginning the repair of the ecosystem.

Fucking worms. If they're our last hope, we're mulch.

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Fozzie Bear Wed, Jul 14, 2010 3:09:08pm

re: #131 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Great, I'm stuck in "We're all going to fucking die" mode and I left my prescription at home.

Fucking god damn stress disorder.

We are all going to die. Eventually. In the meantime, we must live.

Join me in having a beer, or smoking a bowl. If you don't do either, go make love to your wife, or hug your kids. If you don't have that, go pet your cat or dog. If you don't have that, well, you don't have much to lose.

Our mortality is what makes life so precious. Until we die, we live.

I take comfort in that. I don't know why.

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Shiplord Kirel Wed, Jul 14, 2010 3:09:12pm

re: #90 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

God, I'm going to have fucking nightmares now

Doomsday: How BP Gulf disaster may have triggered a 'world-killing' event

A cubic mile of air weighs about 20 million tons. An explosive concentration of methane over that volume would be about a million tons, with an explosive energy equal to about 8 million tons of TNT; equivalent to a seriously powerful H-bomb.
However, it is extremely unlikely that the release would be fast enough to achieve that dense a concentration over anything like that volume.

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darthstar Wed, Jul 14, 2010 3:09:12pm

re: #139 Obdicut

Haven't we suffered enough?

Hey, I just want my life back.
/

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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Jul 14, 2010 3:10:18pm

re: #131 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Great, I'm stuck in "We're all going to fucking die" mode and I left my prescription at home.

I don't know how to tell you this, but we were all going to die anyway. Eventually. Not me though, so cheer up.

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Kragar Wed, Jul 14, 2010 3:11:44pm

re: #144 Slumbering Behemoth

I don't know how to tell you this, but we were all going to die anyway. Eventually. Not me though, so cheer up.

Yeah, but I wasn't planning to do it this year.

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Fozzie Bear Wed, Jul 14, 2010 3:13:00pm

re: #145 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Yeah, but I wasn't planning to do it this year.

Correct. It's not 2012 yet. /

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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Jul 14, 2010 3:13:21pm

re: #145 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Yeah, but I wasn't planning to do it this year.

Heh, what year were you planning to do it?

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Jul 14, 2010 3:13:44pm

Youtube Video

I'm cheering myself up with Flight of the Conchords

P-P-P-P-President R-R-Reagan

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Jul 14, 2010 3:14:37pm

re: #136 engineer dog

there was another equally disturbing report from a bio-scientist that i heard immediately after the failure of the wellhead, which is this: the gulf biosystem is the starting point of the chain of events that produces what is by far the largest source of oxygen for this planet. if the spill gets bad enough to wipe out the gulf ecosystem, we will all suffocate

Youtube Video

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Kragar Wed, Jul 14, 2010 3:14:44pm

re: #147 Slumbering Behemoth

Heh, what year were you planning to do it?

2041

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Walter L. Newton Wed, Jul 14, 2010 3:14:54pm

re: #146 Fozzie Bear

Correct. It's not 2012 yet. /

I have one of the best deaths in the world to look forward too, as long as it's slow and drawn out. If a doc ever tells me I am terminally ill, I'm fixing to stock up on cigarettes and booze and I'm going to have on long party. If it's a fast death, then who gives a shit.

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Digital Display Wed, Jul 14, 2010 3:15:29pm

re: #141 Fozzie Bear
Our mortality is what makes life so precious. Until we die, we live.

I take comfort in that. I don't know why.

Very nice post Bear...
Nobody gets out of here alive

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Kragar Wed, Jul 14, 2010 3:17:08pm

When I go, I want to go like my Grandfather, quietly, in my sleep.

Not screaming in terror like his passengers.

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Digital Display Wed, Jul 14, 2010 3:17:16pm

re: #151 Walter L. Newton

I have one of the best deaths in the world to look forward too, as long as it's slow and drawn out. If a doc ever tells me I am terminally ill, I'm fixing to stock up on cigarettes and booze and I'm going to have on long party. If it's a fast death, then who gives a shit.

The last 3 words George Washington said on this earth was ' I die hard'

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Walter L. Newton Wed, Jul 14, 2010 3:17:17pm

re: #152 HoosierHoops

Our mortality is what makes life so precious. Until we die, we live.

I take comfort in that. I don't know why.

Very nice post Bear...
Nobody gets out of here alive

What I do with my life makes it precious... that is all. *wink*

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Fozzie Bear Wed, Jul 14, 2010 3:17:58pm

re: #153 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

When I go, I want to go like my Grandfather, quietly, in my sleep.

Not screaming in terror like his passengers.

LMAO!!!!!

That's just.... awesome. I need to remember that one.

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Walter L. Newton Wed, Jul 14, 2010 3:18:05pm

re: #154 HoosierHoops

The last 3 words George Washington said on this earth was ' I die hard'

I'm looking forward to saying "I die wasted." Or nothing at all... who cares?

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Kragar Wed, Jul 14, 2010 3:18:09pm

re: #154 HoosierHoops

The last 3 words George Washington said on this earth was ' I die hard'

The last 3 words of Socrates; "I drank what?"

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Jul 14, 2010 3:18:52pm

re: #157 Walter L. Newton

I'm looking forward to saying "I die wasted." Or nothing at all... who cares?

Windupbird's last words will be "let's see if this thing will hit 160"

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Walter L. Newton Wed, Jul 14, 2010 3:19:10pm

re: #159 WindUpBird

Windupbird's last words will be "let's see if this thing will hit 160"

What thing?

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Fozzie Bear Wed, Jul 14, 2010 3:19:13pm

Hold my beer.

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Walter L. Newton Wed, Jul 14, 2010 3:19:44pm

re: #160 Walter L. Newton

What thing?

(if you play this right, it will be like an Abbott and Costello routine)

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Jul 14, 2010 3:20:30pm

re: #160 Walter L. Newton

What thing?

ideally, one of these: Image: 0904gmhtp_02_z+2006_pontiac_gto+rear_view.jpg

Lots of bang for the buck and my VW is getting long in the tooth *_*

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Walter L. Newton Wed, Jul 14, 2010 3:22:18pm

re: #163 WindUpBird

ideally, one of these: Image: 0904gmhtp_02_z+2006_pontiac_gto+rear_view.jpg

Lots of bang for the buck and my VW is getting long in the tooth *_*

Never mind... the mark of a good entertainer is someone who can turn it on in an instant. You had your chance.

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Jul 14, 2010 3:23:04pm

re: #164 Walter L. Newton

Never mind... the mark of a good entertainer is someone who can turn it on in an instant. You had your chance.

I'm hung over! What do you want from me? :D

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albusteve Wed, Jul 14, 2010 3:23:36pm

re: #164 Walter L. Newton

Never mind... the mark of a good entertainer is someone who can turn it on in an instant. You had your chance.

the internet dilutes talent...everybody is an entertainer

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Walter L. Newton Wed, Jul 14, 2010 3:24:17pm

re: #166 albusteve

the internet dilutes talent...everybody is an entertainer

Sorry.. they are not... wannabees... maybe.

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Walter L. Newton Wed, Jul 14, 2010 3:24:36pm

re: #165 WindUpBird

I'm hung over! What do you want from me? :D

What thing?

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Ben G. Hazi Wed, Jul 14, 2010 3:26:13pm

re: #26 Walter L. Newton

I'm confused by the origins of this nasty little list. The link to the graphic of the "memo" says "Concerned Citizens of the United States." Another link goes to the website of "Concerned Citizens of America" and the article and quotes above call the group "anonymous."

Which one is correct?

Both of those names sound awfully close in tone to the Council of Conservative Citizens...they probably have a lot more in common.

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Walter L. Newton Wed, Jul 14, 2010 3:26:15pm

Things kind of slowed down here... I have a brand new slab of Chinese Peacock Jasper... maybe I'll cut out a piece and do a test grind and polish. I've never worked Chinese Peacock Jasper before...

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CuriousLurker Wed, Jul 14, 2010 3:28:25pm

These people don't need anyone on the inside any agency, nor do they need to hack into any computer or whatnot. They get the info the old fashioned way—social engineering. The letter SpaceJesus linked to says as much.

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Walter L. Newton Wed, Jul 14, 2010 3:29:19pm

re: #169 talon_262

Both of those names sound awfully close in tone to the Council of Conservative Citizens...they probably have a lot more in common.

Well... sound like is not what it says on the letter head of the list sent to the State of Utah. In the letter to the state, they claim to be a unknown group, their words. And the state is calling the group "anonymous." I'll go with anonymous until more investigation is uncovered. Not that it diminishes the content and intent of the material... I'm just interested in fingering the right group of nuts.

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Digital Display Wed, Jul 14, 2010 3:31:11pm

re: #157 Walter L. Newton

I'm looking forward to saying "I die wasted." Or nothing at all... who cares?

Every Man or Woman only gets so many heartbeats on this Earth..
What you do with them can effect not only you but maybe the world...What do you do with your heartbeats?
Ryan White died of Aids when he was like 12 yrs old.. Yet he effected more people than we ever effect. He had courage and changed America's view of Aids..We all claim to be brave.. But there was few braver than a 12 yr old facing death...And he inspired us...
A Marine fighting in a foreign country wanting to serve his country half way around the world dies on the battlefield cries out for his Mother.. Alone..
He matters
What we do on this earth alive matters entirely in death...Every heartbeat
There are just so many heartbeats...

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Fozzie Bear Wed, Jul 14, 2010 3:32:37pm

re: #172 Walter L. Newton

I'm just interested in fingering the right group of nuts.

Giggity?

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Walter L. Newton Wed, Jul 14, 2010 3:42:24pm

re: #173 HoosierHoops

Every Man or Woman only gets so many heartbeats on this Earth..
What you do with them can effect not only you but maybe the world...What do you do with your heartbeats?
Ryan White died of Aids when he was like 12 yrs old.. Yet he effected more people than we ever effect. He had courage and changed America's view of Aids..We all claim to be brave.. But there was few braver than a 12 yr old facing death...And he inspired us...
A Marine fighting in a foreign country wanting to serve his country half way around the world dies on the battlefield cries out for his Mother.. Alone..
He matters
What we do on this earth alive matters entirely in death...Every heartbeat
There are just so many heartbeats...

I was talking about the point of dying... I never said anything about what one does with his whole life up to that point... did I?

What's important, what's only important is what you do up to the point of death, because you can't do shit after that. Make good use of it now.

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Digital Display Wed, Jul 14, 2010 3:48:22pm

re: #175 Walter L. Newton

I was talking about the point of dying... I never said anything about what one does with his whole life up to that point... did I?

What's important, what's only important is what you do up to the point of death, because you can't do shit after that. Make good use of it now.

Agreed.. I'm just talking..You know me..After 25000 posts I just can't seem to shut the hell up...
*wink*

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b_snark Wed, Jul 14, 2010 4:48:36pm

re: #122 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

God, I fucking hope he's nuts. I'm scared shitless right now.

He's making a rather large seemingly outrageous claim, he's going to a lot more evidence than speculation.

BP's drill site isn't the only place deep wells have been dug.

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Kruk Wed, Jul 14, 2010 5:01:25pm

re: #30 MandyManners

If it's bullshit, what's the big deal, then?

Because there will be people who will be harrassed based on being on this list. I just hope no-one is hurt or worse. And if that does happen, I hope anyone invoved in releasing this list is prosecuted for murder. What an utter bunch of fuckwits.

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BishopX Wed, Jul 14, 2010 5:08:15pm

Update from the NYTimes:

Mr. Yapías, the former director of the state’s Office of Hispanic Affairs, said he was convinced that the list had come from the State Department of Workforce Services, an agency that combines resources for job seekers, employers and people seeking assistance like food stamps or Medicaid. The list includes information that other agencies might collect, he said, but Workforce Services’ application form includes a question that other information-laden agencies like the Division of Motor Vehicles, for example, would not ever ask: “Is anyone in your home currently pregnant?”

SNIP

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Cato the Elder Wed, Jul 14, 2010 6:37:42pm

I fear this is only the beginning.

And it's pure Nazism.

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Lidane Wed, Jul 14, 2010 7:05:40pm

re: #3 Obdicut

Now, this is what McCarthyism actually looks like, folks. In case you were wondering.

It's worse than that, IMO. McCarthy ruined lives and reputations. This list, if it's real, has the ability to get people hurt if a truly deranged vigilante type gets it in their head to "do something".

Scary stuff.

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Lidane Wed, Jul 14, 2010 7:08:13pm

re: #180 Cato the Elder

I fear this is only the beginning.

Sadly, so do I.

And it's pure Nazism.

Pfft. Everyone knows Hitler was a liberal, just like Obama. This is just Real Americans protecting themselves from those evil Mexicans.

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