Tonight’s cover image from the Lizard Collection is another rare edition of The Amazing Spider-Man: issue #41, published in October 1966, featuring the first appearance of The Rhino. The Lizard Collection’s copy is in great shape, with some marks on the cover but with bright unfaded inks and white pages. This one will be in the next batch we ship to the CGC for grading.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Jul 14, 2010 9:07:50pm |
Help me out here. Is that a costume, or this poor dude genetically gifted with one big horn coming out of his head?
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Jul 14, 2010 9:15:37pm |
re: #2 Obdicut
It's a costume that's been bonded to his skin.
Owie. Superglue? Radioactive superglue? Or some scientific process that not even LVQ has ever heard of?
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brookly red Wed, Jul 14, 2010 9:16:54pm |
talk about prophets... back in 66 they knew RINOS would be an evil force.
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brookly red Wed, Jul 14, 2010 9:18:07pm |
re: #1 EmmmieG
Help me out here. Is that a costume, or this poor dude genetically gifted with one big horn coming out of his head?
2 horns...
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Jul 14, 2010 9:24:27pm |
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Jul 14, 2010 9:29:01pm |
re: #2 Obdicut
It's a costume that's been bonded to his skin.
In one Spiderman comic much later on the Rhino distracted Spiderman from a police station long enough for a thief employed be Kingpin to steal a file with the names and locations of several undercover cops that had infiltrated Kingpin's organization. Kingpin in return agreed to help Rhino free himself of that costume, though he secretly ordered to scientists given the task to fail. Rhino was able to force one of them to actually accomplish the task, but was only free of it for a short time before he had to have a new made, needing it join another criminal syndicate to escape Kingpin's wrath.
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brookly red Wed, Jul 14, 2010 9:29:59pm |
wow 12 cents... that is 4.95 in today's money.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Jul 14, 2010 9:30:58pm |
Er...I take it there is some way for him to pee while in the suit?
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Cato the Elder Wed, Jul 14, 2010 9:31:29pm |
Sarah Palin on "Tea-Party-Americans" (wait, what? - I thought the whole hyphenation thang was anathema to Reel Merkins!):
"The Tea-Party Movement is a beautiful movement!"
Yep.
And I still know Germans who think die Bewegung ("the movement", i.e. the NSDAP) was eine schöne Sache ("a beautiful thing") that came straight from the heart of das Volk ("the people").
And maybe it did.
Sarah, your turn.
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brookly red Wed, Jul 14, 2010 9:33:10pm |
re: #8 Dark_Falcon
In one Spiderman comic much later on the Rhino distracted Spiderman from a police station long enough for a thief employed be Kingpin to steal a file with the names and locations of several undercover cops that had infiltrated Kingpin's organization. Kingpin in return agreed to help Rhino free himself of that costume, though he secretly ordered to scientists given the task to fail. Rhino was able to force one of them to actually accomplish the task, but was only free of it for a short time before he had to have a new made, needing it join another criminal syndicate to escape Kingpin's wrath.
By the power bestowed upon me by Stan Lee, I proclaim you a true believer... Excelsior!
Now go get a job.
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darthstar Wed, Jul 14, 2010 9:38:10pm |
Spidey's foes are always so goofy. Doc Oc, for example. But he's still my favorite superhero.
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wee fury Wed, Jul 14, 2010 9:38:38pm |
With no mouth -- how does Spiderman eat and drink, I wonder. Or, does he have to take his costume off first -- IF it is a costume.
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Irenicum Wed, Jul 14, 2010 9:38:41pm |
Hell, he could be the poster-child of all that is right with our country right now. Being cast as a RINO is, in my book, a good thing. But then again, I'm an effin' RINO to anyone I know to the right of me.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Jul 14, 2010 9:40:37pm |
re: #14 wee fury
With no mouth -- how does Spiderman eat and drink, I wonder. Or, does he have to take his costume off first -- IF it is a costume.
We all know it is a costume. Spidey taking off his suit is a common panel.
Rhino is supposed to be bonded in there.
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brookly red Wed, Jul 14, 2010 9:45:42pm |
re: #16 EmmmieG
We all know it is a costume. Spidey taking off his suit is a common panel.
Rhino is supposed to be bonded in there.
LOL and your social security is supposed to be in a lock box...
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Jul 14, 2010 9:47:45pm |
re: #12 brookly red
By the power bestowed upon me by Stan Lee, I proclaim you a true believer... Excelsior!
Now go get a job.
I've got one, and I made my second sale at it today. ;)
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brookly red Wed, Jul 14, 2010 9:49:14pm |
re: #19 Dark_Falcon
I've got one, and I made my second sale at it today. ;)
then buy some POWN stock... Stan's company :)
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Jul 14, 2010 10:00:47pm |
Reached the "staring blankly at the screen" stage. Logging off now.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Jul 14, 2010 10:03:01pm |
There is a great mini page about creationists arguing that dragons were seen world wide, that the dragons were dinosaurs and that this disproves evolution.
Find it here:
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
And all over the world, people believe all sorts of rubbish.
However, the dragons are dinosaurs meme is a favorite of mine...
After all... They all look the same... Why the Romans had winged dragons - actually not at all... neither did the Greeks... For that matter the Egyptians didn't have them either... And the Jews... Well not so much. The closest we have is Behemoth - which, like Leviathan, has a lot of debate as to what it is. Medieval Christians attached dragons to that.
European winged dragons were a medieval thing brought by the northern tribes...
And they looked just like Asian dragons - except the Asian ones don't have wings...
Which look just like Native American dragons - only the didn't have them either. Ever hear of Eskimo or Apache dragons?
Meso American tribes had winged serpents, with feathered wings though...
Yes clearly dragons were seen world wide by everyone.
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Cato the Elder Wed, Jul 14, 2010 10:06:28pm |
Just posted this for Ice and Jimmah.
Good night, all.
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Cato the Elder Wed, Jul 14, 2010 10:15:35pm |
re: #22 LudwigVanQuixote
Yes clearly dragons were seen world wide by everyone.
I see them all the time, when I'm stoned or drunk. Sometimes Haku appears to me as a dragon and warns me about nearby basilisks and cynocephali (how ironic!).
And I love a grrrl with a dragon tattoo.
It's the living dinosaurs I worry about.
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freetoken Wed, Jul 14, 2010 10:16:23pm |
Why do philosophers always seem to like to use too many words?
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freetoken Wed, Jul 14, 2010 10:17:16pm |
re: #22 LudwigVanQuixote
I still intend to write up a Pages entry on my thesis "Creationism is a mental illness and should be treated as such"... someday.
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Bubblehead II Wed, Jul 14, 2010 10:37:07pm |
Looks like the Idaho Tea party is running into some problems. First the Militia crap goes down in flames and now the loyalty oath gets the finger.
Otter says "nope" to GOP loyalty oath.
Is the light of sanity beginning to filter through?
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Gus Wed, Jul 14, 2010 10:44:04pm |
That last thread was getting jumpy from the massive amount of comments.
Look! A RINO!
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engineer cat Wed, Jul 14, 2010 10:44:39pm |
what's all this i hear about Vangelis being the president of the NAACP?
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Gus Wed, Jul 14, 2010 10:45:41pm |
re: #32 engineer dog
what's all this i hear about Vangelis being the president of the NAACP?
Prog rock!
Run away! Run away!
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freetoken Wed, Jul 14, 2010 10:47:57pm |
re: #28 Bubblehead II
Otter says "nope" to GOP loyalty oath.
Is the light of sanity beginning to filter through?
Sanity and light among the atavists? Hardly.
Perhaps the Governor, having actual experience at governing, realizes the menagerie of conflicting world views that imbues the ascendant tea partying revanchist ultra-right as being in direct opposition to what his job entails?
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Four More Tears Wed, Jul 14, 2010 10:49:01pm |
re: #22 LudwigVanQuixote
Well, the Greeks did have the hydra, which I'd call draconic. Not that I disagree with your post, mind you.
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Cato the Elder Wed, Jul 14, 2010 10:51:22pm |
Monsters that live(d) among us:
Anthropophagi (true, see Jeffrey Dahmer)
Basilisks (maybe)
Cynocephali (true, according to the legend of St. Stephen)
Dwarfs (true)
Elves (wish it were true)
Frost-Geants (not true)
Golem (false)
Harpies (demonstrably true)
Incubi (true - they come to withered old maids in the night)
Jormungandr (no opinion)
Kobolde (I saw them myself when I was drunk in Germany)
Leprechauns (well, this one is obvious, no?)
Manticores (Haku warns me about them, so they must be real)
Naiads (I've fucked a few)
Oroborous (physics informs us that he is the beginning and end)
Pegasus (I ride him in dreams on the way to rescue Naiads)
Roc (a wind-up bird)
Sphinxes (any riddle I can't answer, it's their fault)
Trolls (what's not to believe in?)
Unicorns (still waiting)
Vampires (they suck)
Wyverns (they're in "A Song of Ice and Fire", how could I doubt?)
No Q, X, Y, or Z yet. Please feel free to complete the alphabet.
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Varek Raith Wed, Jul 14, 2010 11:03:44pm |
Qactuar
Doesn't count, I know. I just hate the little buggers.
:P
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Four More Tears Wed, Jul 14, 2010 11:05:01pm |
A fun little Kos diary: "He's too BLACK to be President"
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Stonemason Wed, Jul 14, 2010 11:17:34pm |
re: #22 LudwigVanQuixote
You can only see them if you truly believe..really...there's a potion that keeps them hidden...well, a simple mixture of grasses and berries, part of the natural diet of dragons that a conniving (or smart) witch figured out and taught the long line of protectors...
oh, never mind
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Bubblehead II Wed, Jul 14, 2010 11:31:54pm |
re: #34 freetoken
In other words, rational thought has taken precedent over an ideological viewpoint. One hopes it is event that will spread to to the wider body politic.
/Then again, I still believe in Santa, The Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy.
// Especially the Tooth Fairy. I have a couple that will be coming out soon and can use the money to off-set the Dentist bill.
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Varek Raith Wed, Jul 14, 2010 11:34:05pm |
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TheSwedish Wed, Jul 14, 2010 11:35:17pm |
Don't look now, but Glenn Beck just endorsed the Deicide Libel:
[Link: bit.ly...]
"(T)hree days before the resurrection, Jesus, a Palestinian Jew, himself was tortured and hung on a cross. Beck says that even then Jesus was only a victor—'If Jesus was a victim he would have come back from the dead and made the Jews pay for what they did.' "
Has Beck ever done this before? I can't say I'm surprised, but I am surprised it was not the main item in the Timebit.
He has to be fired for this. It is up there on the vileness scale with Helen Thomas's rant.
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Cato the Elder Wed, Jul 14, 2010 11:35:29pm |
Lisbeth Salander.
My grrrl hero.
I'm built that way.
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freetoken Wed, Jul 14, 2010 11:37:03pm |
re: #41 Bubblehead II
Well, I suspect that Gov. Otter is only involved because somehow he is the titular head of the state's GOP, given he is the highest ranking official in the state.
I'm merely suggesting that the realities of governance forces Otter to accept that the idealism that emerges from the anger of the ultra-right crowd is a non-starter. However, the rabidly ideological crowd behind the proposal are still there.
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Bubblehead II Wed, Jul 14, 2010 11:37:05pm |
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Killgore Trout Wed, Jul 14, 2010 11:38:23pm |
re: #39 JasonA
A fun little Kos diary: "He's too BLACK to be President"
Think Progress fucked up on that one. One of those guys ("i'm proud to be a racist") was actually ejected from a Tea Party event for being overtly racist. It'sone of the rare cases that played out as it should have. They can't complain about racists and then grab footage of Tea Partiers confronting racists, take it out of context to prove that the Tea Parties are racist.
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Cato the Elder Wed, Jul 14, 2010 11:40:54pm |
re: #44 TheSwedish
Don't look now, but Glenn Beck just endorsed the Deicide Libel:
[Link: bit.ly...]
"(T)hree days before the resurrection, Jesus, a Palestinian Jew, himself was tortured and hung on a cross. Beck says that even then Jesus was only a victor—'If Jesus was a victim he would have come back from the dead and made the Jews pay for what they did.' "
Has Beck ever done this before? I can't say I'm surprised, but I am surprised it was not the main item in the Timebit.
He has to be fired for this. It is up there on the vileness scale with Helen Thomas's rant.
Jesus was a Jew. The idea that he wanted to come back and make "the Jews" pay is so ridiculous that it would be laughed to scorn but for the Christian Zionists, supercessionists, and other idiot Christians who fail to recognize that THEY ARE JEWS TOO, ranting and raving every day.
And these are the people whom the nominally Jewish Harpeia ululans counts among the saviors of Israel.
Belch. Belch. Puke.
See you in a bit.
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freetoken Wed, Jul 14, 2010 11:45:28pm |
re: #44 TheSwedish
Beck is, to use one of Cato's favorite terms, an idiot.
E.g., from the linked Beck page and his transcript:
Jesus never said, "Take from the rich and let the government redistribute it."
Which, besides ignoring the whole "render unto Caesar" bit, is a non-provable negative statement.
Furthermore, Jesus never said to "build sewer systems to keep from getting dysentery", but we do that anyway.
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Cato the Elder Wed, Jul 14, 2010 11:49:45pm |
re: #36 Cato the Elder
Cynocephali (true, according to the legend of St. Stephen)
PIMF: Meant to say "true, according to the Orthodox legend of St. Christopher, who was a kindly monster with the head of a dog."
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Stonemason Wed, Jul 14, 2010 11:57:23pm |
re: #52 Cato the Elder
I was wondering about that, I had thought St. Stephen was too busy going in and out of gardens with roses to worry about monsters.
/
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freetoken Wed, Jul 14, 2010 11:57:24pm |
re: #44 TheSwedish
Reading the full Beck transcript, it appears as if that show was a marketing effort for Beck to sell himself to the fundamentalist/Evangelical crowd who might be put off by his Mormonism.
It's wrapped up in "enemy" talk of course - the enemy being Liberation Theology and by extension - Barack Obama.
Beck is pitting the Evangelical/Fundamentalist Christian against President Obama, who as someone who sat in a congregation that often preaches liberation theology ideas must therefore be Marxist and satanic.
The "Deicide Libel" stuff is incidental to the larger lecture.
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Gus Thu, Jul 15, 2010 12:22:47am |
Corea (Rhodes electric piano)
Airto Moreira (drums)
Flora Purim (vocals and percussion)
Stanley Clarke (bass)
Joe Farrell (flute)
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Gus Thu, Jul 15, 2010 12:31:20am |
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Gus Thu, Jul 15, 2010 12:35:42am |
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Gus Thu, Jul 15, 2010 12:42:17am |
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Gus Thu, Jul 15, 2010 12:45:05am |
re: #59 freetoken
One of my favorites!
Excellent song. What a great film, "Buena Vista Social Club", and what great music.
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freetoken Thu, Jul 15, 2010 12:47:23am |
re: #60 Gus 802
Cuban music was blessed by a lack of electronic and computerized instruments.
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Gus Thu, Jul 15, 2010 12:48:37am |
re: #61 freetoken
Cuban music was blessed by a lack of electronic and computerized instruments.
And blessed with talent and musicality.
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Gus Thu, Jul 15, 2010 12:51:25am |
re: #61 freetoken
Cuban music was blessed by a lack of electronic and computerized instruments.
More modern here...
I have this CD along with Buena Vista Social Club.
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freetoken Thu, Jul 15, 2010 12:56:04am |
re: #63 Gus 802
A popular recording that was played in many a salsa club.
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Gus Thu, Jul 15, 2010 12:56:56am |
re: #64 freetoken
A popular recording that was played in many a salsa club.
It was. He's still in Cuba. Great band.
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boxhead Thu, Jul 15, 2010 12:57:47am |
Howdy all..... Wassup for this night... or early morning as it may be...
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Gus Thu, Jul 15, 2010 1:00:15am |
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boxhead Thu, Jul 15, 2010 1:02:12am |
re: #67 Gus 802
Speaking of which...
Celia Cruz - La Negra Tiene Tumbao
[Video]
That dude is scary! LOL good sounds though!
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Gus Thu, Jul 15, 2010 1:03:22am |
re: #68 boxhead
That dude is scary! LOL good sounds though!
That's Celia Cruz. The queen of salsa. Long may she RIP.
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boxhead Thu, Jul 15, 2010 1:07:07am |
re: #69 Gus 802
That's Celia Cruz. The queen of salsa. Long may she RIP.
OMG.... really? wow, my apologies to her, but I did think she was a dude in drag...
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freetoken Thu, Jul 15, 2010 1:14:38am |
Irony of the night - back to the Beck Is An Idiot theme:
On Beck's latest Liberation Theology/Obama is the Enemy rant, Beck, in order to support his view of soteriology as well as his bona fide with the American Evangelicals, enlists the help of one Richard Land:
But I know the game, so I called Richard Land, president of the Southern Baptist Convention's Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission. I wanted to make sure that mainline Christianity has the same definition of individual salvation that I have.
Well, look who shows up in another story today:
Bible verses abound at hearing on ethics of immigration reform
Arguing for a comprehensive immigration package with a guest-worker program, Richard Land, president of the Southern Baptist Convention's Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission, quoted from the Bible's books of Matthew, Leviticus and Micah in pressing for action on the estimated 11 million illegal immigrants currently living in the U.S.
Southern Baptists respect and strongly support upholding America's laws, he said, but they "also recognize a biblical mandate to care for 'the least of these among us' (Matthew 25:34-40), to care for the 'strangers' who reside in our land (Leviticus 19:34; Hebrews 13:2) and to act justly and mercifully (Micah 6:8)," Land told the House Judiciary Subcommittee on Immigration, Citizenship, Refugees, Border Security and International Law.
Uh oh, looks like Mr. Land is not quite toeing the line of the tea partiers wrt immigration! I wonder if Beck will have on Mr. Land to discuss immigration?
BTW, that immigration hearing sounds like it was quite the Bible-fest:
Rep. Lamar Smith, R-Texas, read a quote from Romans 13:1-7 that crystallized the argument for enhanced border security and strict enforcement of existing federal immigration laws: "Let every person be subject to governing authorities."
"I suspect we will hear today that it is somehow immoral or unethical to enforce our nation's laws and that we should ignore our laws," Smith said. "For those who want to take this approach, there is just one problem: the Bible contains numerous passages that support the rule of law."
Well, Representative Smith, they used to say that about slavery, too.
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boxhead Thu, Jul 15, 2010 1:17:54am |
re: #72 freetoken
Beck is such a douche. I cannot understand why so many people think he is sincere. It is like thinking WWE wrestling to real.
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boxhead Thu, Jul 15, 2010 1:20:01am |
re: #73 boxhead
Beck is such a douche. I cannot understand why so many people think he is sincere. It is like thinking WWE wrestling to real.
damn.....
s/to real/is real/
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freetoken Thu, Jul 15, 2010 1:20:35am |
re: #73 boxhead
Beck is such a douche. I cannot understand why so many people think he is sincere. It is like thinking WWE wrestling to real.
Linda says "soap opera":
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freetoken Thu, Jul 15, 2010 1:22:05am |
BTW, Alex Jones is really pushing Linda's primary opponent, Schiff. Linda won the (R) nomination already, but Schiff is looking to beat it.
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boxhead Thu, Jul 15, 2010 1:22:45am |
re: #75 freetoken
Linda says "soap opera":
[Video]
LOL..... I know Vince McMahon is somewhere in the shadows waiting to hit somebody with a chair..... arrrrrr
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Jul 15, 2010 1:35:31am |
Clutch - Promoter of Earthbound Causes
Warmed up my motor, swindled the promoter
Took the lunatics for a ride
And a little voice said inside my head, sayin'
Rosemary baby, I got the thyme
Suffering madness and the Pharaoh’s plague
I, Akhenaten tell you some other day
No thank you, that’s enough for me
A little bit of Ritalin goes a long way
Ready to rock if you want to roll
Please step away from the vehicle
Ragnarock and revolutionize
Gimme just a minute while I clarify
Cooled down my temper, tried to remember
What it was I wasn’t to lose
And I probably could were it not for
The beer and the broads and the broads and the booze yeah
Hooked on stupid, and the whole shebang
I never have ever felt the same
No thank you, that’s enough for me
Prozacly not what I need
Ready to rock if you want to roll
Please step away from the vehicle
Ragnarock and revolutionize
Gimme just a minute while I clarify
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Gus Thu, Jul 15, 2010 1:46:40am |
re: #75 freetoken
Linda says "soap opera":
[Video]
Chicken neck. Who do they make these videos for? The brain dead?
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Gus Thu, Jul 15, 2010 1:50:46am |
The reason the economy sucks isn't because of the Feds. It's because of the banks and lending institutions.
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Varek Raith Thu, Jul 15, 2010 1:53:31am |
re: #80 Gus 802
The reason the economy sucks isn't because of the Feds. It's because of the banks and lending institutions.
No.
It's because of them.
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Gus Thu, Jul 15, 2010 1:56:43am |
re: #81 Varek Raith
No.
It's because of them.
The Demoncrats!
Bleh. So lame.
More people in the USA killed each other than any illegal or terrorist since 911. I know. It's too deep to think about. I can scratch my head though and give you a guess. Something like 150,000 Americans killed each other since 911.
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Varek Raith Thu, Jul 15, 2010 1:58:25am |
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Gus Thu, Jul 15, 2010 1:59:45am |
Actually, if you add the uninsured deaths that's 150,000 pluc 40,000 x 9 or 510,000 people that croaked due to this God bless America culture since 911 within our borders. 1/2 million dead that "we" did on our own. Radical man.
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Varek Raith Thu, Jul 15, 2010 2:01:31am |
re: #85 Gus 802
Actually, if you add the uninsured deaths that's 150,000 pluc 40,000 x 9 or 510,000 people that croaked due to this God bless America culture since 911 within our borders. 1/2 million dead that "we" did on our own. Radical man.
Image: flamesuit.jpg
...
from the morning peeps...
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Gus Thu, Jul 15, 2010 2:02:03am |
re: #84 Varek Raith
Scary! That's like... SEX! Oops. Forgot to add the dead in East Timor and the collateral damage in Iraq in Afghanistan. It's probably close to a million dead due to American interests and behavior.
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Gus Thu, Jul 15, 2010 2:05:02am |
re: #86 Varek Raith
Image: flamesuit.jpg
...
from the morning peeps...
Don't remind me. It'll be some link about something a Muslim did. Meanwhile, they'll completely ignore the rest of the world. Everything revolves around what Muslims do.
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boxhead Thu, Jul 15, 2010 2:10:23am |
re: #87 Gus 802
Scary! That's like... SEX! Oops. Forgot to add the dead in East Timor and the collateral damage in Iraq in Afghanistan. It's probably close to a million dead due to American interests and behavior.
Hmm... Without attributing any moral or legal reasons behind the US actions, I believe it is a fact that US actions have resulted in many dead in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Pakistan. The debate of the moral or legal part is not something to start at 2am! :)
But I will throw this one out. How much of these US actions are interests of USA, or corporations with large money interests throughout the world? That would be a great topic for discussion.
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Varek Raith Thu, Jul 15, 2010 2:10:29am |
Leak in equipment delays BP's efforts to stop massive oil gusher
New Orleans, Louisiana (CNN) -- A leak in a crucial piece of equipment may stall BP's effort to stop the massive oil gusher Thursday in the Gulf of Mexico.The equipment, called a choke line, started leaking Wednesday, another setback for the beleaguered company in its hope of stopping the disaster. The company will need to fix the leak before it can run the vital tests that could show whether an end to the environmental disaster is finally in sight, the company said.
There was no timetable for when the leak was to be fixed, a company spokesman said early Thursday morning.
And video images of the busted oil well showed a continuous flow of ominous dark oil streaming from the ocean floor.
Even before the new delay, the process had been stalled.
U.S. officials told BP on Tuesday to proceed with an "integrity" test on the well.
But the test was delayed for a day, according to Retired Adm. Thad Allen, who is heading the government's response to the oil spill.
Allen said the officials "sat long and hard about delaying the test" and it was "not easy" to decide to delay. He said they wanted to make sure they're "getting this right" for this "significant event."
Allen added the delay was not prompted by the White House.
"We advised the White House that we decided to take a 24-hour break. It was us advising them that we thought it was the right thing to do. We briefed them," he said.
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Gus Thu, Jul 15, 2010 2:18:25am |
Don't fear about expressing yourself. Go for it. You're going to die in the long run anyway. re: #89 boxhead
Hmm... Without attributing any moral or legal reasons behind the US actions, I believe it is a fact that US actions have resulted in many dead in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Pakistan. The debate of the moral or legal part is not something to start at 2am! :)
But I will throw this one out. How much of these US actions are interests of USA, or corporations with large money interests throughout the world? That would be a great topic for discussion.
But that's fine. That's part and parcel of a democracy. We should debate the moral implications of death due to war. No one is going to kill us for doing so. As the wingnuts would say, "this is what our forefathers intended." We need to have an open debate. The idea that "you're either with us or against us" does not represent democracy. It represents anything but. This is the USA. This is what we do. We argue about controversial topics.
Home of the brave?
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Varek Raith Thu, Jul 15, 2010 2:19:35am |
re: #92 Gus 802
Don't fear about expressing yourself. Go for it. You're going to die in the long run anyway.
Fuck the earth and everyone on it!
.
I feel better now.
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Gus Thu, Jul 15, 2010 2:20:26am |
re: #93 Varek Raith
Fuck the earth and everyone on it!
.
I feel better now.
Now you've done it! Doughy pantload is going to call you and breath into your phone.
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Red Pencil Thu, Jul 15, 2010 2:21:16am |
re: #22 LudwigVanQuixote
European winged dragons were a medieval thing brought by the northern tribes...
And they looked just like Asian dragons - except the Asian ones don't have wings...
Which look just like Native American dragons - only the didn't have them either. Ever hear of Eskimo or Apache dragons?
Meso American tribes had winged serpents, with feathered wings though...
Yes clearly dragons were seen world wide by everyone.
Minor quibbles: Asian dragons do have wings. And winged "thunderbirds" (which at least have some dragon characteristics) show up in Alaskan totem poles as well as Southwestern Amerind art.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
And yes there were dragons of a sort in GrecoRoman mythology. That's why we have a constellation named "Draco".
There is some evidence that winged dragon legends worldwide ARE in fact traceable to dinosaurs --- but that these legends come from observations made in the fossil record and not "real time". There is speculation that the Native American legend of the Thunderbird comes from a fossil pterodactyl suddenly revealed after a rain/lightning storm. And the "dragon bones" of Chinese medicine are in fact fossil bones (of almost anything including various dinosaurs), so clearly the Chinese also linked dragons to fossils. The shape of a pterodactyl's wings are more suggestive than many other fossils would be, and might form the basis of many myths and legends, without having to believe that humans and dinosaurs coexisted.
I have always been curious about St George's dragon. The older medieval images seem to show the dragon as smaller (or at least no bigger) than George, which if the artists were trying to aggrandize their saint (as is normal) seems odd. I have wondered if St George's dragon in particular (a legend of the East brought West by the Crusaders) might in fact be an "artist's rendering" from a traveler's tale of a Komodo "dragon" or some similar non-fossil species. Probably quite an OLD traveler's tale, as the story of St George seems like a rehash of Perseus & Andromeda.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Jul 15, 2010 2:22:01am |
re: #80 Gus 802
The reason the economy sucks isn't because of the Feds. It's because of the banks and lending institutions.
and there are people who in their heart of hearts know this, but they'll deny it to the end to protect their ego, because their ego is wrapped up and invested in being Angy At And Always Suspicious Of The Government
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Varek Raith Thu, Jul 15, 2010 2:23:22am |
Stupid Windows 7 Action Center.
*googles how to turn this annoying bugger off!*
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Gus Thu, Jul 15, 2010 2:25:52am |
re: #97 WindUpBird
and there are people who in their heart of hearts know this, but they'll deny it to the end to protect their ego, because their ego is wrapped up and invested in being Angy At And Always Suspicious Of The Government
It's like talking to the wall. For them it makes a good talking point and good sound byte. Ignore the fact that we got into this mess because of Bear Stearns, Goldman Sachs, AIG, Bank of America, and the rest of Wall Street. Blame it all on the gubernment.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Jul 15, 2010 2:25:56am |
re: #98 Varek Raith
Stupid Windows 7 Action Center.
*googles how to turn this annoying bugger off!*
ACTION CENTER
Sounds like the danger room for a local superhero group
You! Armadillette! Use your armor to deflect those meterorites! Captain Renton! Your lava powers will melt the ice that The Ballard Bastard has frozen our way out with!
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boxhead Thu, Jul 15, 2010 2:26:59am |
re: #92 Gus 802
Don't fear about expressing yourself. Go for it. You're going to die in the long run anyway.
But that's fine. That's part and parcel of a democracy. We should debate the moral implications of death due to war. No one is going to kill us for doing so. As the wingnuts would say, "this is what our forefathers intended." We need to have an open debate. The idea that "you're either with us or against us" does not represent democracy. It represents anything but. This is the USA. This is what we do. We argue about controversial topics.
Home of the brave?
YES!!!! That is why I started reading the threads here and eventually joined, bought cook books and donated!
I loathe violence, but am not naive enough to not think that sometimes it is necessary. I know in my heart I am willing to forgo my loathing to protect my loved ones. I suspect most humans are the same. War is often portrayed as an extension of that instinct. Sometimes that instinct is manipulated by folks in power for their own purpose. Is that what we have today?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Jul 15, 2010 2:27:10am |
re: #99 Gus 802
It's like talking to the wall. For them it makes a good talking point and good sound byte. Ignore the fact that we got into this mess because of Bear Stearns, Goldman Sachs, AIG, Bank of America, and the rest of Wall Street. Blame it all on the gubernment.
THE UNIONS!!! HOLY FUCK THE UNIONS
Wigging out about unions in their current state, is like fussing with a hangnail while you're being beaten with a rotary phone
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Gus Thu, Jul 15, 2010 2:27:12am |
The far right even found a way to try and blame the BP oil spill on the government. Yep, it wasn't those fuck up greedy assholes at BP. It was the government.
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Varek Raith Thu, Jul 15, 2010 2:27:32am |
re: #102 WindUpBird
THE UNIONS!!! HOLY FUCK THE UNIONS
Wigging out about unions in their current state, is like fussing with a hangnail while you're being beaten with a rotary phone
AAACCCOOORRRNNN!!!
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Gus Thu, Jul 15, 2010 2:28:41am |
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Varek Raith Thu, Jul 15, 2010 2:28:44am |
SEIU THUGS!11!!!
YOUNG PEOPLE USE CURSE WORDS!1!!
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Jul 15, 2010 2:29:16am |
re: #104 Varek Raith
AAACCCOOORRRNNN!!!
Anyone who brings up ACORN now as a boogeyman, I just assume they are fucking stupid. Like beyond help, believes-there-are-minstrels-hiding-in-their-television stupid
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Gus Thu, Jul 15, 2010 2:30:41am |
re: #106 Varek Raith
SEIU THUGS!11!!!
YOUNG PEOPLE USE CURSE WORDS!1!!
Don't forget! And one guy with a billy club in Philly.
Yep, that's what the USA collapsed. One dude that had too much coffee and is in the New Black Panthers. He caused the USA to die.
Uh huh.
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Varek Raith Thu, Jul 15, 2010 2:30:45am |
GAY MARRIAGE!!1!
MUSLIMS BUILDING MOSQUES!!!11!1
COMMIE GARDENS!1!1
Mah haid hertz.
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Gus Thu, Jul 15, 2010 2:31:28am |
re: #110 Varek Raith
GAY MARRIAGE!!1!
MUSLIMS BUILDING MOSQUES!!!11!1
COMMIE GARDENS!1!1Mah haid hertz.
Toned arms! That's why we have no jobs! It's Michelle Obama's fault!
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boxhead Thu, Jul 15, 2010 2:31:30am |
New Black Panther Party and Obama hating white folks!
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boxhead Thu, Jul 15, 2010 2:33:12am |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Jul 15, 2010 2:33:22am |
re: #105 Gus 802
Don't forget it was the Department of Education!!11ty
oh oh oh oh
so my friend who went to that video game tournament in Vegas with Windsago, he was one of the judges, so he got to hang out in some fancy ballroom with catered food open bar etc, and they were RIGHT NEXT TO SHARRON ANGLE'S PARTY
So all these gamer dudes of many races were right barging through Sharron Angle's peeps, a whole bunch of otcegenarian true-believer rich donating Republican type, all going "We've got to drive that Harry Reid out of office, he's shoving all these regulations down our throats!" One of the judges was trolling them. "The communists, they know we're here. They got this place surrounded!" My friend was within nose-picking distance of Sharron Angle. Apparently she's incredibly small XD
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Gus Thu, Jul 15, 2010 2:33:37am |
re: #112 boxhead
New Black Panther Party and Obama hating white folks!
He has a lot of power! It's Super New Black Panther Man! Able to cause all destruction in America! See what he has done! Are you blind? Can you not see what Dork Man has done to us?
And now we must deal with the "Race Card" from DC! We are doomed!
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Varek Raith Thu, Jul 15, 2010 2:35:00am |
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boxhead Thu, Jul 15, 2010 2:35:05am |
re: #116 Gus 802
He has a lot of power! It's Super New Black Panther Man! Able to cause all destruction in America! See what he has done! Are you blind? Can you not see what Dork Man has done to us?
And now we must deal with the "Race Card" from DC! We are doomed!
See, I can smell the chicken and greens from here!
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Gus Thu, Jul 15, 2010 2:35:16am |
re: #115 WindUpBird
oh oh oh oh
so my friend who went to that video game tournament in Vegas with Windsago, he was one of the judges, so he got to hang out in some fancy ballroom with catered food open bar etc, and they were RIGHT NEXT TO SHARRON ANGLE'S PARTY
So all these gamer dudes of many races were right barging through Sharron Angle's peeps, a whole bunch of otcegenarian true-believer rich donating Republican type, all going "We've got to drive that Harry Reid out of office, he's shoving all these regulations down our throats!" One of the judges was trolling them. "The communists, they know we're here. They got this place surrounded!" My friend was within nose-picking distance of Sharron Angle. Apparently she's incredibly small XD
Gee, I can't wait. Replace Harry Reid with a psychopath.
Good times.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Jul 15, 2010 2:35:46am |
re: #116 Gus 802
the race card, Teapbaggers think it's like a throwing star, Obama can just hurl it at a white dude like he's in the Matrix, and there's a glint from the rising sun, and whitey falls to the ground in two separate pieces
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Gus Thu, Jul 15, 2010 2:36:22am |
re: #118 boxhead
See, I can smell the chicken and greens from here!
//
It's like being in Robert Stacy McCain's living room.
Hey Cletus. You seen my shotgun and banjo?
/
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Jul 15, 2010 2:36:54am |
re: #119 Gus 802
Gee, I can't wait. Replace Harry Reid with a psychopath.
Good times.
There were not many people at this thing! I really cannot imagine Reid blowing this unless someone from the Enquirer finds him luring an eight year old into his sound-proofed van conversion
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boxhead Thu, Jul 15, 2010 2:37:21am |
re: #117 Varek Raith
[Video]
Oh MY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That face that popped up when I clicked your link is NSFW!
What a kook Rush is.... Is he sincere, or acting? I lean towards the latter cause he is SO over the top.
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boxhead Thu, Jul 15, 2010 2:40:06am |
re: #121 Gus 802
It's like being in Robert Stacy McCain's living room.
Hey Cletus. You seen my shotgun and banjo?
/
:)
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Gus Thu, Jul 15, 2010 2:40:27am |
re: #122 WindUpBird
There were not many people at this thing! I really cannot imagine Reid blowing this unless someone from the Enquirer finds him luring an eight year old into his sound-proofed van conversion
You gotta love it. They're like "Harry Reid is a bad, bad man! Don't vote for him we have a better alternative!!"
Yep, some lunatic by the name of Sharron Angle. She's the complete opposite of what Nevada's all about. She's a throwback from times long forgotten. Nevada is really rather progressive. They don't need an idiot like Angle. She better lose.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Jul 15, 2010 2:40:38am |
re: #123 boxhead
Oh MY!!! That face that popped up when I clicked your link is NSFW!
What a kook Rush is... Is he sincere, or acting? I lean towards the latter cause he is SO over the top.
It's a work, the guy's a broadcaster. I don't think he believes a quarter of what he says. I believe he's a Republican, but his actual so-called "politics" is all pro-wrestling. And like pro-wrestling, only idiots believe it's real
Still disgusting and damaging of course, but it's all showmanship, that of course makes it worse, because you essentially have people who are making money by inciting racism and violence and viciousness, and they do it clear-eyed
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boxhead Thu, Jul 15, 2010 2:42:05am |
re: #126 WindUpBird
It's a work, the guy's a broadcaster. I don't think he believes a quarter of what he says. I believe he's a Republican, but his actual so-called "politics" is all pro-wrestling. And like pro-wrestling, only idiots believe it's real
Still disgusting and damaging of course, but it's all showmanship, that of course makes it worse, because you essentially have people who are making money by inciting racism and violence and viciousness, and they do it clear-eyed
And have no shame doing thus!
(see, i can use "thus" without being preachy!) lol
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Gus Thu, Jul 15, 2010 2:42:17am |
re: #126 WindUpBird
It's a work, the guy's a broadcaster. I don't think he believes a quarter of what he says. I believe he's a Republican, but his actual so-called "politics" is all pro-wrestling. And like pro-wrestling, only idiots believe it's real
Still disgusting and damaging of course, but it's all showmanship, that of course makes it worse, because you essentially have people who are making money by inciting racism and violence and viciousness, and they do it clear-eyed
I think they call that Muscle Head Pundit. It's like shock jocks. Limbaugh is both. Muscle head and a shock jock.
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boxhead Thu, Jul 15, 2010 2:43:08am |
re: #128 Gus 802
I think they call that Muscle Head Pundit. It's like shock jocks. Limbaugh is both. Muscle head and a shock jock.
muscle head, fat head, it all depends on the butcher shop!
//
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Gus Thu, Jul 15, 2010 2:43:46am |
re: #129 boxhead
muscle head, fat head, it all depends on the butcher shop!
//
Yep. Or as many like to call him: douche bag.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Jul 15, 2010 2:44:16am |
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boxhead Thu, Jul 15, 2010 2:44:55am |
re: #130 Gus 802
Yep. Or as many like to call him: douche bag.
yarr harr harr.... I'll sail with that quote any tide!
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Gus Thu, Jul 15, 2010 2:45:52am |
And then you have those mentally (mumbles) people that think if you don't like Rush "The Big Idiot" Limbaugh you're not a true American or a Patriot!
Whew, what a corntry.
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Varek Raith Thu, Jul 15, 2010 2:46:26am |
It's too bad the GOP is scared shitless of Rush.
They'd never repudiate refudiate anything that man says.
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Gus Thu, Jul 15, 2010 2:47:43am |
Hey Cletus. That new guy that moved in next door. He don't like Rush or Laura Ingraham. I think he is a Mooslim or something.
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boxhead Thu, Jul 15, 2010 2:48:42am |
re: #133 Gus 802
And then you have those mentally (mumbles) people that think if you don't like Rush "The Big Idiot" Limbaugh you're not a true American or a Patriot!
Whew, what a corntry.
shoot... I have friends who are smart that love Glen Beck! How Alice In Wonder Land is that?
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Gus Thu, Jul 15, 2010 2:48:53am |
re: #134 Varek Raith
It's too bad the GOP is scared shitless of Rush.
They'd neverrepudiaterefudiate anything that man says.
That's not true! Republicans are a diverse party and they are all free to speak their own minds. Including criticizing "El Rushbo."
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Varek Raith Thu, Jul 15, 2010 2:49:13am |
The dems should offer up a resolution condemning Rush.
Lol, the squirming that would ensue!
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boxhead Thu, Jul 15, 2010 2:50:54am |
re: #134 Varek Raith
It's too bad the GOP is scared shitless of Rush.
They'd neverrepudiaterefudiate anything that man says.
They are scared of his radio reach and gobs of dittos... It is all money for campaigning in the end.
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ryannon Thu, Jul 15, 2010 2:51:13am |
re: #101 boxhead
YES!!! That is why I started reading the threads here and eventually joined, bought cook books and donated!
I loathe violence, but am not naive enough to not think that sometimes it is necessary. I know in my heart I am willing to forgo my loathing to protect my loved ones. I suspect most humans are the same. War is often portrayed as an extension of that instinct. Sometimes that instinct is manipulated by folks in power for their own purpose. Is that what we have today?
That's exactly what we have today, except in the U.S., where for the first time, we have a leader with the courage to declare that all we need to do is unclench those beefy 'meerican fists of ours, put them back into our collective pockets and...play with ourselves, I guess. No, seriously. Wouldn't the world be a better place if we just turned inward, forgot about it, and started taking care of our own problems: hundreds of thousand homicides in our country since 9-11! What does that tell you about the U.S? It tells me that if you divide 150,000 murders by ten you get something like 15,000 per year in a country with a population of 250 thousand. Compared to, say, proportional stats for other countries, or even the number of deaths on U.S. highways per year?
Hey, no moral equivalence, you!
Ok, ok. Now let's take Israel, since we're talking about bellicose states that are preventing peace in the world. Another clear case of the folks in power manipulating the great masses of unwashed hymies for their own ends. It's as clear as kristallnacht to me: neutralize the Zionists and the world gets peace. U.S - Israel, same battle! Send them back to their afternoon tv shows and the Weeping Wall. Peace will follow.
Over and out, Captain Wingnut.
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Gus Thu, Jul 15, 2010 2:51:35am |
re: #136 boxhead
shoot... I have friends who are smart that love Glen Beck! How Alice In Wonder Land is that?
Really? Well, I always thought that one part of being smart was engaging in critical thinking and avoiding becoming a cult follower. I can't think of one person that I "love".
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boxhead Thu, Jul 15, 2010 2:52:21am |
re: #137 Gus 802
That's not true! Republicans are a diverse party and they are all free to speak their own minds. Including criticizing "El Rushbo."
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They would purge Buckley, Regan, Nixon...... :p
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Gus Thu, Jul 15, 2010 2:52:58am |
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Gus Thu, Jul 15, 2010 2:55:40am |
re: #140 ryannon
That's why you have the minister of propaganda avatar.
Not surprising to find the "moral equivalence" cliche either.
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boxhead Thu, Jul 15, 2010 2:57:45am |
re: #140 ryannon
You are correct that we really do need to do some naval gazing as a Country. No doubt!
As for the Middle East, Israel, etc..... It hurts my head to think about that mess. Emotions run high.... politics, industrial defense industry, religion..... damn.... I want a martini just thinking about that....
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Varek Raith Thu, Jul 15, 2010 2:59:44am |
re: #140 ryannon
Translation;
YOU ARE PART OF THE REBEL ALLIANCE AND A TRAITOR!
TAKE HER AWAY!
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boxhead Thu, Jul 15, 2010 3:01:31am |
re: #141 Gus 802
Really? Well, I always thought that one part of being smart was engaging in critical thinking and avoiding becoming a cult follower. I can't think of one person that I "love".
And I agree with the critical thinking stuff, which makes it so weird! I think emotions are a huge part of the kool-Aid recipe. I have seen previously mentioned folks get "riled up" discussion topics like we do here. We stick to more mundane topics like sports! :)
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Nimed Thu, Jul 15, 2010 3:02:30am |
re: #140 ryannon
No, seriously. Wouldn't the world be a better place if we just turned inward, forgot about it, and started taking care of our own problems: hundreds of thousand homicides in our country since 9-11! What does that tell you about the U.S? It tells me that if you divide 150,000 murders by ten you get something like 15,000 per year in a country with a population of 250 thousand. Compared to, say, proportional stats for other countries, or even the number of deaths on U.S. highways per year?
Homicide rate by country (most recent data)
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
U.S. - 5.40
Israel - 1.87
France - 1.60
Germany - 0.86
United Kingdom - 1.49
Spain - 1.20
Portugal - 1.26
Italy - 1.06
Japan - 0.44
South Korea - 2.18
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boxhead Thu, Jul 15, 2010 3:04:22am |
re: #148 Nimed
Homicide rate by country (most recent data)
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]U.S. - 5.40
Israel - 1.87
France - 1.60
Germany - 0.86
United Kingdom - 1.49
Spain - 1.20
Portugal - 1.26
Italy - 1.06
Japan - 0.44
South Korea - 2.18
so sad..........
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Gus Thu, Jul 15, 2010 3:04:32am |
re: #148 Nimed
Homicide rate by country (most recent data)
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]U.S. - 5.40
Israel - 1.87
France - 1.60
Germany - 0.86
United Kingdom - 1.49
Spain - 1.20
Portugal - 1.26
Italy - 1.06
Japan - 0.44
South Korea - 2.18
But. But. But.
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Varek Raith Thu, Jul 15, 2010 3:05:27am |
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Gus Thu, Jul 15, 2010 3:05:35am |
re: #148 Nimed
Homicide rate by country (most recent data)
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]U.S. - 5.40
Israel - 1.87
France - 1.60
Germany - 0.86
United Kingdom - 1.49
Spain - 1.20
Portugal - 1.26
Italy - 1.06
Japan - 0.44
South Korea - 2.18
Michelle Malkin said it's because of the illegals!
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ryannon Thu, Jul 15, 2010 3:06:38am |
re: #148 Nimed
Homicide rate by country (most recent data)
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]U.S. - 5.40
Israel - 1.87
France - 1.60
Germany - 0.86
United Kingdom - 1.49
Spain - 1.20
Portugal - 1.26
Italy - 1.06
Japan - 0.44
South Korea - 2.18
I'm shocked, shocked, I tell you. Not really. In a country with a gun culture like ours, what do you expect?
More moral equivalence from the guy with the Iraqi propaganda minister as his avatar: how many of those were justifiable homicides? We've certainly got more than our share of crazies in this country, and it cuts through all political lines.
Anyway, unhappy with these stats? Then elect someone to take away the guns. Do you imagine I'd care?
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Varek Raith Thu, Jul 15, 2010 3:08:29am |
Argentina legalizes same-sex marriage
(CNN) -- Argentina became the first Latin American country on Thursday to legalize same-sex marriage.Lawmakers in the Senate passed the bill after 14 hours of debate that began Wednesday and carried well into early Thursday morning, the state-run Telam news agency reported.
The bill had already passed the lower chamber of Congress.
It gives same-sex couples equal marriage rights, including the ability to adopt children.
The law was backed by the center-left government of President Cristina Kirchner, who has said she will sign it.
The majority Roman Catholic country follows a few others around the world where same-sex marriage is legal. Among them are the Netherlands, Belgium and Spain.
Last month's congressional vote and Wednesday's Senate vote are the latest moves in a pro-gay marriage trend in Argentine politics.
Last year, a judge in Buenos Aires ruled that a ban on same-sex marriage was illegal, paving the way for such marriages in the capital of Argentina.
An injunction by another judge stopped what would have been the first same-sex marriage there.
Ultimately, Latin America's first same-sex marriage happened in Argentina in a southern state with a pro-gay marriage governor.
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ryannon Thu, Jul 15, 2010 3:10:14am |
Off to have some Indian cuisine.
Keep the wheels of American Industry a spinnin' good people!
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Varek Raith Thu, Jul 15, 2010 3:11:00am |
re: #155 ryannon
Off to have some Indian cuisine.
Keep the wheels of American Industry a spinnin' good people!
Bring some back!~
:)
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boxhead Thu, Jul 15, 2010 3:13:41am |
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Nimed Thu, Jul 15, 2010 3:16:20am |
re: #153 ryannon
I'm shocked, shocked, I tell you. Not really. In a country with a gun culture like ours, what do you expect?
More moral equivalence from the guy with the Iraqi propaganda minister as his avatar: how many of those were justifiable homicides? We've certainly got more than our share of crazies in this country, and it cuts through all political lines.
Anyway, unhappy with these stats? Then elect someone to take away the guns. Do you imagine I'd care?
This is not a problem that's easy to diagnose -- just the fact that the U.S. has a younger population than most of the countries I mentioned puts us at a "disadvantage". I was just answering one of your questions -- all these statistics, including driving fatalities and preventable diseases came up during the HCR debate. Anyway, it's late and I'm too lazy to look for the other stuff.
But just the fact that we have murder rates superior to many non-first world nations should give us pause.
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RogueOne Thu, Jul 15, 2010 4:11:40am |
Bad news, just found out I'm a nerd. I'm waiting in line for a droid X. only 10 of us so far.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Thu, Jul 15, 2010 4:16:54am |
re: #165 RogueOne
Bad news, just found out I'm a nerd. I'm waiting in line for a droid X. only 10 of us so far.
That's okay, the rest of us already knew.
*ducks*
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Darth Vader Gargoyle Thu, Jul 15, 2010 4:20:25am |
re: #165 RogueOne
Bad news, just found out I'm a nerd. I'm waiting in line for a droid X. only 10 of us so far.
Best Buy called me yesterday. I won't get mine today. I am number one on the standby list : (
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Darth Vader Gargoyle Thu, Jul 15, 2010 4:25:15am |
re: #146 Varek Raith
Translation;
YOU ARE PART OF THE REBEL ALLIANCE AND A TRAITOR!
TAKE HER AWAY!
I think we need a corollary to Godwin's law for Darth Vader references. Just for Varek.
//
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RogueOne Thu, Jul 15, 2010 4:27:56am |
re: #167 rwdflynavy
the droid incredible I ordered a month ago came in last night. The local verizon store only has 30 x's available so I postponed my detroit trip for a couple hours. I wasn't waiting another month.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Thu, Jul 15, 2010 4:29:24am |
re: #169 RogueOne
the droid incredible I ordered a month ago came in last night. The local verizon store only has 30 x's available so I postponed my detroit trip for a couple hours. I wasn't waiting another month.
I have to admit, I'm way behind the curve in phone technology. I just don't get geeked out over the things very much. I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that anything I'd want to do with a phone, I'd really need a laptop for.
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Sol Berdinowitz Thu, Jul 15, 2010 4:43:20am |
A major argument for gun laws is that people need them to defend their homes. This one lead one to conclude that American authorities are highly deficient in protecting people's safety.
A major argument against guns is that a lot of gun fatalities are the result of domestic violence between members of households.
But really: if your spouse were coming after you with a gun, wouldn't you want to be in a position to return fire?
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jul 15, 2010 4:44:38am |
re: #165 RogueOne
I got a droid three months ago. Samsung Moment.
I loves my precious.
If I could only figure out how to use the call waiting feature...
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Sol Berdinowitz Thu, Jul 15, 2010 4:50:52am |
re: #171 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
What if you took out Chicago?
My hometown of Gary, Indiana, lost its ranking as the Murder Capital of the USA, but that seems to be due to the fact that the population has declined to less than 100,000 (it was 150,ooo when I was born there) and that means that they change the formula by which the murder rate is caluculated...
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jul 15, 2010 4:52:29am |
re: #174 ralphieboy
I was in Gary once. Had an old west feel to it... only thing missing was tumbleweeds. That was about 6 years ago.
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Darth Vader Gargoyle Thu, Jul 15, 2010 4:53:49am |
re: #172 ralphieboy
A major argument for gun laws is that people need them to defend their homes. This one lead one to conclude that American authorities are highly deficient in protecting people's safety.
A major argument against guns is that a lot of gun fatalities are the result of domestic violence between members of households.
But really: if your spouse were coming after you with a gun, wouldn't you want to be in a position to return fire?
The police have no duty to protect. This is a common perception.
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Darth Vader Gargoyle Thu, Jul 15, 2010 4:54:38am |
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Sol Berdinowitz Thu, Jul 15, 2010 4:57:49am |
re: #176 rwdflynavy
The police have no duty to protect. This is a common perception.
So the motto "we serve and protect" is no longer operable?
Your link refers to a specific case of them not being required to offer specific protection to a person in a specific case, but their task certainly does involve protecting public order and safety.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jul 15, 2010 5:05:58am |
I've gotta run. Can't hang out :(
Cops are rarely there to protect. There to clean up the mess mostly.
Shame, ain't it.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears Thu, Jul 15, 2010 5:12:44am |
re: #146 Varek Raith
Translation;
YOU ARE PART OF THE REBEL ALLIANCE AND A TRAITOR!
TAKE HER AWAY!
... and the last piece of spunky royalty I had a relationship with ran out on me!
[/whiny teen mode]
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Sol Berdinowitz Thu, Jul 15, 2010 5:18:08am |
re: #179 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I've gotta run. Can't hang out :(
Cops are rarely there to protect. There to clean up the mess mostly.
Shame, ain't it.
One of my favorite lines from "No Country For Old Men" when the sherrif and deputy come across a bloody murder scene:
Deputy: Sure a mess ain't it?
Sherrif: If it ain't, it'll do until the real mess gets here...
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Darth Vader Gargoyle Thu, Jul 15, 2010 5:19:39am |
re: #179 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I've gotta run. Can't hang out :(
Cops are rarely there to protect. There to clean up the mess mostly.
Shame, ain't it.
When seconds count, cops respond in minutes. Not their fault, they can't be everywhere. That is why I own guns.
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Darth Vader Gargoyle Thu, Jul 15, 2010 5:20:19am |
re: #178 ralphieboy
So the motto "we serve and protect" is no longer operable?
Your link refers to a specific case of them not being required to offer specific protection to a person in a specific case, but their task certainly does involve protecting public order and safety.
Google it, there is precedent that the protect part on most police cars is false advertising.
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ryannon Thu, Jul 15, 2010 5:25:18am |
re: #179 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I've gotta run. Can't hang out :(
Cops are rarely there to protect. There to clean up the mess mostly.
Shame, ain't it.
I never thought I'd see the day: me, the old NYC East Village radical with friends exactly one half of one degree removed from the Weathermen (excepting those who kept their mouths shut and didn't talk about it) coming to the defense of the FUCKING PIGS!
C'mon, FBV - you're not being fair here. There are many, many cops who do an honest day's work, including protecting and serving those needing it. You never hear about them, however. What we do hear about are the rogues and those who've crossed a line or another that they shouldn't have. Mileage will of course vary according to city, state, local police department and the human propensity for psychodrama. But on the whole, I'd rather have them around - even, as you say, if it's just to clean up the mess - than not. Have you thought about what that would be like, my vegetarian friend?
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garhighway Thu, Jul 15, 2010 5:29:07am |
re: #99 Gus 802
It's like talking to the wall. For them it makes a good talking point and good sound byte. Ignore the fact that we got into this mess because of Bear Stearns, Goldman Sachs, AIG, Bank of America, and the rest of Wall Street. Blame it all on the gubernment.
It's deeper than that. There is a significant portion of the electorate (and of posters here) that simply cannot believe a free market could implode the way ours did in 2008 without:
1> "Big government" being the cause, and
2> Minorities being the root cause.
They then combine those two threads by deciding it was all the fault of the Community Reinvestment Act. As if the CRA loans (to "those people") blew up our economy.
The fact that the lending that did the trick was by non-bank lenders like Countrywide that were not subject to the CRA, seems not to register. It runs contrary to the desperately needed narrative.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Thu, Jul 15, 2010 5:34:16am |
re: #175 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I was in Gary once. Had an old west feel to it... only thing missing was tumbleweeds. That was about 6 years ago.
I was in Gary once. Was there as a bodyguard for my mother. She didn't feel safe going up there to a doctor's appointment by herself and Dad was on the road.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jul 15, 2010 5:34:27am |
re: #182 rwdflynavy
If I owned a gun, the cop's conversation would be...
"How'd he manage to shoot himself in the ass?"
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Darth Vader Gargoyle Thu, Jul 15, 2010 5:35:24am |
re: #185 garhighway
It's deeper than that. There is a significant portion of the electorate (and of posters here) that simply cannot believe a free market could implode the way ours did in 2008 without:
1> "Big government" being the cause, and
2> Minorities being the root cause.They then combine those two threads by deciding it was all the fault of the Community Reinvestment Act. As if the CRA loans (to "those people") blew up our economy.
The fact that the lending that did the trick was by non-bank lenders like Countrywide that were not subject to the CRA, seems not to register. It runs contrary to the desperately needed narrative.
Do you really think America has a "free" economy? Don't misunderstand, I want some regulation, but to view our economy as anything other than very regulated is somewhat humorous.
Obviously, lending practices (CRA regulated and otherwise) played a dramatic role in the collapse. Folks who had no business buying more home than they could afford also played a huge role.
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ryannon Thu, Jul 15, 2010 5:38:29am |
re: #185 garhighway
It's deeper than that. There is a significant portion of the electorate (and of posters here) that simply cannot believe a free market could implode the way ours did in 2008 without:
1> "Big government" being the cause, and
2> Minorities being the root cause.They then combine those two threads by deciding it was all the fault of the Community Reinvestment Act. As if the CRA loans (to "those people") blew up our economy.
The fact that the lending that did the trick was by non-bank lenders like Countrywide that were not subject to the CRA, seems not to register. It runs contrary to the desperately needed narrative.
Why do I see all this constant innuendo and references to unnamed "posters here"? Who the hell are they? Give us some names. Better yet, why not just engage them when they post their ideas? This little unspoken witch-hunt that's always on the back burner of LGF is creating a climate of suspicion, gratuitous digs and overall dumbness.
As for me, I think the whole problem is the fault of the jooos, George Soros and Zionist Hair-Rays. So there. At least I'm out front and clear about it.
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Sol Berdinowitz Thu, Jul 15, 2010 5:38:58am |
re: #184 ryannon
I never thought I'd see the day: me, the old NYC East Village radical with friends exactly one half of one degree removed from the Weathermen (excepting those who kept their mouths shut and didn't talk about it) coming to the defense of the FUCKING PIGS!
What we do hear about are the rogues and those who've crossed a line or another that they shouldn't have. Mileage will of course vary according to city, state, local police department and the human propensity for psychodrama.
There was a strong move to increase the numbers of policeman, starting under the Clinton administration.
However, the formula more policemen = more police protection is not a linear equation: one bad cop can undo the work and reputation of dozens of good ones, the LAPD is a case in point.
And now that budgets are being cut, the police remaining are overworked, undermotivated and even more likely to turn Bad Cop.
But not to worry, AI technology will be producing functional robocops by 2050...
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Ericus58 Thu, Jul 15, 2010 5:40:33am |
re: #189 ryannon
Why do I see all this constant innuendo and references to unnamed "posters here"? Who the hell are they? Give us some names. Better yet, why not just engage them when they post their ideas? This little unspoken witch-hunt that's always on the back burner of LGF is creating a climate of suspicion, gratuitous digs and overall dumbness..
THIS.
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ryannon Thu, Jul 15, 2010 5:43:22am |
re: #190 ralphieboy
All that is true. But there are still more good cops than bad, and there always will be. Unless the political consciousness of the country goes totally bust, which I still don't see happening despite the extremes of crazy emerging....
And RoboCop was a cool dude who went a bit wrong. A better union might have mitigated his flip-out.
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Sol Berdinowitz Thu, Jul 15, 2010 5:45:25am |
The Free Market (TM) has become a bit of an ideology to some folks, a Holy Grail that is the Final Salvation for America and the Free World.
We blithely overlook the extent to which all aspects of the market, from energy to agriculture to housing are regulated. And for good reason.
A minimum amount of regulation is needed to prevent catastrophe. We set about dismantling these regulations and have seen the results in the financial meltdown and the BP spill, both of which cost a lot more than simple up-front government intervention ("meddling" in free -market jargon) would have cost.
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Ericus58 Thu, Jul 15, 2010 5:46:08am |
re: #193 ryannon
THIS what?
Agreement.
Was I to short to understand?
There's precious little coffee in me body as yet this morning.
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ryannon Thu, Jul 15, 2010 5:46:22am |
Or should I say, what THIS?
Really, intelligent dialog here is hitting new lows.
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Darth Vader Gargoyle Thu, Jul 15, 2010 5:47:35am |
re: #194 ralphieboy
The Free Market (TM) has become a bit of an ideology to some folks, a Holy Grail that is the Final Salvation for America and the Free World.
We blithely overlook the extent to which all aspects of the market, from energy to agriculture to housing are regulated. And for good reason.
A minimum amount of regulation is needed to prevent catastrophe. We set about dismantling these regulations and have seen the results in the financial meltdown and the BP spill, both of which cost a lot more than simple up-front government intervention ("meddling" in free -market jargon) would have cost.
I agree with you on the financial meltdown, but not the BP spill. The regulators were in bed with the oil companies and not enforcing current regulations. Tough to find time what with all that porn to watch on government time!
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ryannon Thu, Jul 15, 2010 5:47:50am |
re: #195 Ericus58
Agreement.
Was I to short to understand?
There's precious little coffee in me body as yet this morning.
Ok, mucho sorry for the misunderstanding. Damned if I could figure out what you meant.
And my apology for the post that followed!
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Ericus58 Thu, Jul 15, 2010 5:50:30am |
re: #198 ryannon
Ok, mucho sorry for the misunderstanding. Damned if I could figure out what you meant.
And my apology for the post that followed!
Whadda doing, amigo?!
Don't get all "half-cocked to the pissed-off position" on me now ;)
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garhighway Thu, Jul 15, 2010 5:51:26am |
re: #188 rwdflynavy
Do you really think America has a "free" economy? Don't misunderstand, I want some regulation, but to view our economy as anything other than very regulated is somewhat humorous.
Obviously, lending practices (CRA regulated and otherwise) played a dramatic role in the collapse. Folks who had no business buying more home than they could afford also played a huge role.
Lending practices, yes. A big yes. The CRA, with its "that's what you get when you make those nice bankers loan to people who are undeserving" subnarrative, no.
Lending practices, as practiced by Countrywide and its ilk, and the downstream process of securitizing those loans (and later multiplying their existence by creating "synthetic" ones) are what caused the credit crisis of 2008 and blew up our economy.
Is our economy regulated, and should it be? Yes and yes. But did you really miss the whole Phil Gramm "get the government our of financial markets" push? And the failure of our government to keep up with what was happening in the financial markets in 2004 - 2008?
As for my "posters here" comment, it has been long enough that we had a CRA discussion here that I have forgotten who espouses that theory. It was a non-zero number of regular posters, but I don't think I am under a duty to go back and dig up their names. I assume that they will surface in this conversation if they so choose.
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Sol Berdinowitz Thu, Jul 15, 2010 5:52:37am |
re: #197 rwdflynavy
I agree with you on the financial meltdown, but not the BP spill. The regulators were in bed with the oil companies and not enforcing current regulations. Tough to find time what with all that porn to watch on government time!
Yes, they were present but not doing their job, which in this case was worse than not being there at all, as it led us to have a false sense of security.
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ryannon Thu, Jul 15, 2010 5:53:25am |
re: #199 Ericus58
Whadda doing, amigo?!
Don't get all "half-cocked to the pissed-off position" on me now ;)
Mea culpa (grovels).
I'm way too fast on the hair-trigger. Not good (healthy self-criticism)
Now, what can I buy you to make up for my lack of understanding and general loutishness? (peace offering)
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Killgore Trout Thu, Jul 15, 2010 6:08:45am |
CBS, NBC Won't Air Insanely Offensive Ground Zero Mosque Ad
NBC and CBS are refusing to air this anti-Ground Zero mosque ad from the National Republican Trust PAC. Good call, since the ad is vulgar, racist, fearmongering garbage; a nauseating embarrassment that should be burned 50 times over. Enjoy!
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lawhawk Thu, Jul 15, 2010 6:10:56am |
re: #203 Killgore Trout
Good for them. It's also blatantly dishonest.
The proposed mosque and community center aren't at Ground Zero.
It's near Ground Zero (two blocks away), but that's not the same. That would be like me saying that I work at Ground Zero because I'm the next block over (or that people living and working at Battery Park City and the World Financial Center are at Ground Zero because they're less than 2 blocks away.
In other Ground Zero news, archeologists found an 18th Century boat while excavating for the transit hub.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Jul 15, 2010 6:11:42am |
18th-Century Ship Found at Trade Center Site
On Tuesday morning, workers excavating the site of the underground vehicle security center for the future World Trade Center hit a row of sturdy, upright wood timbers, regularly spaced, sticking out of a briny gray muck flecked with oyster shells.
Obviously, these were more than just remnants of the wooden cribbing used in the late 18th and early 19th centuries to extend the shoreline of Manhattan Island ever farther into the Hudson River. (Lower Manhattan real estate was a precious commodity even then.)
“They were so perfectly contoured that they were clearly part of a ship,”
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Killgore Trout Thu, Jul 15, 2010 6:12:52am |
re: #204 lawhawk
In other Ground Zero news, archeologists found an 18th Century boat while excavating for the transit hub.
Heh. I just found that one too. Very cool. I'm surprised that isn't a bigger story. It's quite a find.
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Ericus58 Thu, Jul 15, 2010 6:14:32am |
re: #202 ryannon
Mea culpa (grovels).
I'm way too fast on the hair-trigger. Not good (healthy self-criticism)
Now, what can I buy you to make up for my lack of understanding and general loutishness? (peace offering)
Make me a Sammich!!
All good. I'm not angry - fairly mellow this morning.
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lawhawk Thu, Jul 15, 2010 6:17:09am |
re: #206 Killgore Trout
It's not the first time that they've found archeological relics in the course of the excavations in these parts, which is why they had archeologists on staff working during the excavations as they expected to find stuff since most of the area comprising Ground Zero was originally landfill (all of Battery Park City was landfill from the expanded excavation of the original WTC). I'd have to go through my archives, but it has happened - both in the excavation of the original WTC and in the rebuilding. I can also recall the discovery of a pre-colonial era wall down at Battery Park when they were renovating the South Ferry MTA train station, which caused significant delays. There are also Colonial and post-Colonial era burial grounds found from time to time around Lower Manhattan (part of City Hall park was a burial ground at one time).
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Ericus58 Thu, Jul 15, 2010 6:24:48am |
re: #203 Killgore Trout
CBS, NBC Won't Air Insanely Offensive Ground Zero Mosque Ad
[Video]
The networks are correct in not airing this. Over the top.
I think there can be rational discussion concerned with having transperancy for the funding or support for the project from outside the US.
But the message in the video is skewed. And wrong on several levels.
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Semper Fi Thu, Jul 15, 2010 6:26:09am |
Good morning lizards,
Thought I'd come in and sit with you awhile. Sure beats looking in the window.
Temp is already (06:28) in the 90's and will be another very hot day. Yesterday, could hardly touch the steering wheel when returning from the market, but then, it is summer.
Trust everyone is having a good day and note that the work week, for most, is coming to a close.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Jul 15, 2010 6:26:15am |
re: #208 lawhawk
It's not the first time that they've found archeological relics in the course of the excavations in these parts, which is why they had archeologists on staff working during the excavations as they expected to find stuff since most of the area comprising Ground Zero was originally landfill (all of Battery Park City was landfill from the expanded excavation of the original WTC). I'd have to go through my archives, but it has happened - both in the excavation of the original WTC and in the rebuilding. I can also recall the discovery of a pre-colonial era wall down at Battery Park when they were renovating the South Ferry MTA train station, which caused significant delays. There are also Colonial and post-Colonial era burial grounds found from time to time around Lower Manhattan (part of City Hall park was a burial ground at one time).
I think I remember that Wall Street used to be a black cemetery named after the cemetery wall (or something like that).
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Sol Berdinowitz Thu, Jul 15, 2010 6:34:12am |
re: #203 Killgore Trout
CBS, NBC Won't Air Insanely Offensive Ground Zero Mosque Ad
[Video]
*ahem*
And now for the Fox/Tea party version:
Lamestream Networks Cave in to Islamist Appeasers and Terrorist Sympathizers
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_RememberTonyC Thu, Jul 15, 2010 6:36:50am |
good morning Lizards ...... did the crew discuss this bit of news?
[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]
according to the piece, venezuela could very well have twice the crude oil reserves as saudi arabia. this makes hugo chavez FAR more dangerous than previously thought. considering how he recently nationalized (stole) a good deal of equipment belonging to an American company, I wonder if our government has any plans for dealing with this dangerous rogue. at the time of my post last week, some on the board said his policies were leading venezuela to possible ruin, but if he has twice the oil reserves of the saudis, that seems to be a serious game changer.
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Cato the Elder Thu, Jul 15, 2010 6:37:08am |
"Conservative thought"
-- a species of feces --
gets flung in the faces
of people whose theses
don't match those of Ayn Rand.
Disagree? You're shit-canned.
Copyright © 2010 Cato the Elder
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Ebetty Thu, Jul 15, 2010 6:37:32am |
Good morning all. Tell Mandy hello, if she stops by. I'm off to the lawyer's office and a fine day at work. Yippee-Kye-Ay.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears Thu, Jul 15, 2010 6:39:01am |
Good morning Lizards.
Survived the monsoon yesterday in the Philadelphia area. (Heavy rain in downtown, but I was farther south visiting a refinery and it poured there for well over an hour. To the extent that they were closing roads and the drainage grate in the parking lot was acting as an outflow!)
A lot of places have special rules in place in terms of archaeological checking before construction and development takes place. My brother has land near Rochester, NY and for getting a building permit he needed a signed form from an archaeologist that the location was not of significance. Which could have been an issue since the area is known for neolithic/Indian campsites. Easy to find flint knapping fragments and scraper bits walking across the cornfield there right after it has been plowed.
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lawhawk Thu, Jul 15, 2010 6:44:29am |
re: #211 Killgore Trout
Wall Street was once the northern terminus to New Amsterdam/New York. It later became the meeting place for traders to buy and sell commodities (and it's been the financial hub of NY/US/world ever since.
You might be thinking of the African Burial Grounds, which is now a national monument.
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_RememberTonyC Thu, Jul 15, 2010 6:46:52am |
gonna head out for a walk ...... later folks!
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lawhawk Thu, Jul 15, 2010 6:47:26am |
re: #216 oaktree
Yup, and if you think it's an issue in the US, try going to Israel, where any work is destined to uncover 1,000 year old (or much much much older) finds. It's why any construction work in Jerusalem is so delicate - finds could reveal details about life in the time of Judea/Israel, the time of Jesus, the Roman conquests, the Muslim conquest, the Crusades, etc.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Jul 15, 2010 6:50:12am |
re: #217 lawhawk
Wall Street was once the northern terminus to New Amsterdam/New York. It later became the meeting place for traders to buy and sell commodities (and it's been the financial hub of NY/US/world ever since.
You might be thinking of the African Burial Grounds, which is now a national monument.
Ah, thanks.
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Cato the Elder Thu, Jul 15, 2010 6:51:16am |
re: #215 Ebetty
Good morning all. Tell Mandy hello, if she stops by. I'm off to the lawyer's office and a fine day at work. Yippee-Kye-Ay.
Mandy doesn't post here anymore without first running it by her lawyer.
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CuriousLurker Thu, Jul 15, 2010 6:57:31am |
re: #203 Killgore Trout
CBS, NBC Won't Air Insanely Offensive Ground Zero Mosque Ad
[Video]
This is so full of rabid hatred and so wrong on so many levels that I can't even process all of it right now.
The message is pretty clear.
"they" + call to prayer + mosque + images of terrorists + "we Americans" + beams in shape of cross = ALL Muslims rejoiced at the carnage of 9/11 and want to build the center in celebration of that carnage; only Christians are Real Americans™. Then the dog whistle for violence:
"that mosque is a monument...and an invitation for war"
"a mosque at Ground Zero must not stand"
"kill the Ground Zero mosque"
Tell me again what differentiates the rhetoric & intent of these people from that of the terrorists they claim to be opposed to?
I suppose they won't be happy until they see the mangled dead bodies innocent Muslims lying in the streets of NYC. Oh wait, I forgot—there aren't any innocent Muslims.
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CuriousLurker Thu, Jul 15, 2010 6:58:39am |
And good morning, everyone. Or maybe not so good after watching that filth.
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Cato the Elder Thu, Jul 15, 2010 7:02:17am |
Sarah Palin must refudiate the anti-mosque fearmongers in general and Pam Geller in particular.
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Sol Berdinowitz Thu, Jul 15, 2010 7:02:27am |
re: #222 CuriousLurker
If you buy into the thesis that the War on Terror = Clash of Cultures (i.e., Christianity vs. Islam) then the message of the Ground Zero Mosque is clear in your eyes.
If You see the WOT as a clash between enlightenment vs. fundamentalism, then you realize how important it is to keep a clear head about this issue.
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Cato the Elder Thu, Jul 15, 2010 7:03:50am |
re: #213 _RememberTonyC
good morning Lizards ... did the crew discuss this bit of news?
[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]
according to the piece, venezuela could very well have twice the crude oil reserves as saudi arabia. this makes hugo chavez FAR more dangerous than previously thought. considering how he recently nationalized (stole) a good deal of equipment belonging to an American company, I wonder if our government has any plans for dealing with this dangerous rogue. at the time of my post last week, some on the board said his policies were leading venezuela to possible ruin, but if he has twice the oil reserves of the saudis, that seems to be a serious game changer.
Meh.
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lawhawk Thu, Jul 15, 2010 7:04:26am |
re: #222 CuriousLurker
Well, a mosque at Ground Zero isn't going to stand because the proposed mosque isn't at Ground Zero. It's two blocks away (which I guess is close enough for explosive rhetoric). Most people around here (and I work a block from Ground Zero) understand that Ground Zero is the site of the Twin Towers and the WTC complex - 1 through 7 WTC (all of which was destroyed in the attacks). People in Battery Park City don't consider themselves part of Ground Zero, even though they were most affected by the aftermath with contamination issues, detours, health issues, etc.
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aurelius Thu, Jul 15, 2010 7:05:15am |
I'm trying to decide if I half agree with you or half disagree with you.
A difficult and complex decision...
there may be no solution.
re: #224 Cato the Elder
Sarah Palin must refudiate the anti-mosque fearmongers in general and Pam Geller in particular.
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Sol Berdinowitz Thu, Jul 15, 2010 7:06:33am |
re: #226 Cato the Elder
Chavez' power derives almost entirely from his ability to dispose over oil revenues. i.e., we finance him by purchasing his oil. Same for the House of Saud and the other Emirs of the Gulf region.
We have the power to pull the plug on these folks, but we have worked ourselves into a state of dependency that we have been unwilling to break.
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Cato the Elder Thu, Jul 15, 2010 7:07:33am |
If Ground Zero is truly "sacred", we ought to build a mega-house of worship there, to include a cathedral, a synagogue, a mosque, a Sikh temple, an Indian sweat lodge, and a Pentecostal snake-handling hall. Mix and match.
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CuriousLurker Thu, Jul 15, 2010 7:08:05am |
re: #227 lawhawk
Well, a mosque at Ground Zero isn't going to stand because the proposed mosque isn't at Ground Zero. It's two blocks away (which I guess is close enough for explosive rhetoric). Most people around here (and I work a block from Ground Zero) understand that Ground Zero is the site of the Twin Towers and the WTC complex - 1 through 7 WTC (all of which was destroyed in the attacks). People in Battery Park City don't consider themselves part of Ground Zero, even though they were most affected by the aftermath with contamination issues, detours, health issues, etc.
Yeah, I'm familiar with the area as I used to work down there. As a matter of fact, I still have a jacket that i bought at the former Burlington Coat factory. You hit the nail on the head when you said "which I guess is close enough for explosive rhetoric".
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Cato the Elder Thu, Jul 15, 2010 7:08:50am |
re: #229 ralphieboy
Chavez' power derives almost entirely from his ability to dispose over oil revenues. i.e., we finance him by purchasing his oil. Same for the House of Saud and the other Emirs of the Gulf region.
We have the power to pull the plug on these folks, but we have worked ourselves into a state of dependency that we have been unwilling to break.
"We" do not have the power (or the willpower) to "pull the plug" on anything.
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Darth Vader Gargoyle Thu, Jul 15, 2010 7:10:22am |
re: #224 Cato the Elder
Sarah Palin must refudiate the anti-mosque fearmongers in general and Pam Geller in particular.
I believe you are misunderestimating her resolventness.
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lawhawk Thu, Jul 15, 2010 7:11:22am |
re: #229 ralphieboy
It also requires the ability to get that oil out of the ground. If the Venezuelans drive off the oil companies, it doesn't matter how much of the black stuff is underground.
This chart shows that production has tailed off, which could be related to OPEC trying to prop up the price of oil, but also with the Chavez push to nationalize and drive off investment in the oil industry.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Jul 15, 2010 7:11:43am |
re: #225 ralphieboy
If you buy into the thesis that the War on Terror = Clash of Cultures (i.e., Christianity vs. Islam) then the message of the Ground Zero Mosque is clear in your eyes.
If You see the WOT as a clash between enlightenment vs. fundamentalism, then you realize how important it is to keep a clear head about this issue.
The WOT is, or should be, a fight against terrorist, any flavor, and in recent cases, a flavor that is a radicalized version of religious thought. It is not Christians against Muslims, it is certain humans against certain other humans.
And it needs to be fought like a war, not like it's some hooligan control at a noisy soccer game.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears Thu, Jul 15, 2010 7:12:44am |
re: #233 rwdflynavy
I believe you are misunderestimating her resolventness.
I'm sure that some liberal has tried to hit her with a bucket of water and been surprised when she didn't melt.
/
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CuriousLurker Thu, Jul 15, 2010 7:12:49am |
re: #225 ralphieboy
If you buy into the thesis that the War on Terror = Clash of Cultures (i.e., Christianity vs. Islam) then the message of the Ground Zero Mosque is clear in your eyes.
If You see the WOT as a clash between enlightenment vs. fundamentalism, then you realize how important it is to keep a clear head about this issue.
At the moment all I see is GOP Trust Ad = messaging not much different than that of the terrorists.
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CuriousLurker Thu, Jul 15, 2010 7:14:04am |
re: #224 Cato the Elder
Sarah Palin must refudiate the anti-mosque fearmongers in general and Pam Geller in particular.
Okay, you actually made me smile with that. No small feat this morning.
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Cato the Elder Thu, Jul 15, 2010 7:15:27am |
Talk of "ending our dependency on foreign oil" has been going on at full tilt about exactly as long as talk of "winning the war on drugs" - with about the same level of success in both cases.
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Sol Berdinowitz Thu, Jul 15, 2010 7:17:14am |
re: #239 Cato the Elder
Talk of "ending our dependency on foreign oil" has been going on at full tilt about exactly as long as talk of "winning the war on drugs" - with about the same level of success in both cases.
Because addiction is addiction: we know what we need to do to get off it, but just cannot bring ourselves to take the necessary steps
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Targetpractice Thu, Jul 15, 2010 7:17:30am |
re: #234 lawhawk
It also requires the ability to get that oil out of the ground. If the Venezuelans drive off the oil companies, it doesn't matter how much of the black stuff is underground.
This chart shows that production has tailed off, which could be related to OPEC trying to prop up the price of oil, but also with the Chavez push to nationalize and drive off investment in the oil industry.
Ayep. Chavez nationalized all the rigs and drove out all the experienced workers, leaving behind only the locally trained guys who lack the experience to do more than maintain the equipment already there. And even that's going to be a problem as time goes on and getting parts for those rigs becomes harder and harder.
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Vicious Babushka Thu, Jul 15, 2010 7:19:52am |
re: #22 LudwigVanQuixote
There is a great mini page about creationists arguing that dragons were seen world wide, that the dragons were dinosaurs and that this disproves evolution.
Find it here:
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
And all over the world, people believe all sorts of rubbish.
However, the dragons are dinosaurs meme is a favorite of mine...
After all... They all look the same... Why the Romans had winged dragons - actually not at all... neither did the Greeks... For that matter the Egyptians didn't have them either... And the Jews... Well not so much. The closest we have is Behemoth - which, like Leviathan, has a lot of debate as to what it is. Medieval Christians attached dragons to that.
European winged dragons were a medieval thing brought by the northern tribes...
And they looked just like Asian dragons - except the Asian ones don't have wings...
Which look just like Native American dragons - only the didn't have them either. Ever hear of Eskimo or Apache dragons?
Meso American tribes had winged serpents, with feathered wings though...
Yes clearly dragons were seen world wide by everyone.
The "Behemoth" of Hebrew scripture is just a large "suss yeor" (a hippopotamus) but what is the fun of that?
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Jul 15, 2010 7:21:52am |
re: #242 Alouette
You may want to consider this rebuttal to LVQ's post.
re: #95 Red Pencil
Minor quibbles: Asian dragons do have wings. And winged "thunderbirds" (which at least have some dragon characteristics) show up in Alaskan totem poles as well as Southwestern Amerind art.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
And yes there were dragons of a sort in GrecoRoman mythology. That's why we have a constellation named "Draco".
There is some evidence that winged dragon legends worldwide ARE in fact traceable to dinosaurs --- but that these legends come from observations made in the fossil record and not "real time". There is speculation that the Native American legend of the Thunderbird comes from a fossil pterodactyl suddenly revealed after a rain/lightning storm. And the "dragon bones" of Chinese medicine are in fact fossil bones (of almost anything including various dinosaurs), so clearly the Chinese also linked dragons to fossils. The shape of a pterodactyl's wings are more suggestive than many other fossils would be, and might form the basis of many myths and legends, without having to believe that humans and dinosaurs coexisted.
I have always been curious about St George's dragon. The older medieval images seem to show the dragon as smaller (or at least no bigger) than George, which if the artists were trying to aggrandize their saint (as is normal) seems odd. I have wondered if St George's dragon in particular (a legend of the East brought West by the Crusaders) might in fact be an "artist's rendering" from a traveler's tale of a Komodo "dragon" or some similar non-fossil species. Probably quite an OLD traveler's tale, as the story of St George seems like a rehash of Perseus & Andromeda.
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Ericus58 Thu, Jul 15, 2010 7:22:48am |
re: #239 Cato the Elder
Talk of "ending our dependency on foreign oil" has been going on at full tilt about exactly as long as talk of "winning the war on drugs" - with about the same level of success in both cases.
Carter had a war on drugs? Who knew!
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Killgore Trout Thu, Jul 15, 2010 7:23:52am |
Big Government is filled wall to wall with rants rants against the NAACP today by every black pundit they can get including this from Michael Steele...
Recent statements claiming the Tea Party movement is racist are not only destructive, they are not true. Tea Party activists are your mom or dad, your local grocer, banker, hairdresser or doctor. They are a diverse group of passionate Americans who want to ensure that our nation returns to founding principles that honor the Constitution, limit government’s role in our lives and support policies that empower free markets and free enterprise. Enough with the name-calling.
*sigh*
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Ericus58 Thu, Jul 15, 2010 7:24:16am |
re: #241 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Ayep. Chavez nationalized all the rigs and drove out all the experienced workers, leaving behind only the locally trained guys who lack the experience to do more than maintain the equipment already there. And even that's going to be a problem as time goes on and getting parts for those rigs becomes harder and harder.
China.
They will partner up.
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Vicious Babushka Thu, Jul 15, 2010 7:27:46am |
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avanti Thu, Jul 15, 2010 7:30:24am |
I've been following the latest capping of the well closely and know they've placed a new device on the old BOP with a better seal. I know they have closed the first valve diverting the flow to another choke valve before closing more valves in a attempt to "cap" the well.
I know they had a small leak in the new choke valve that was just repaired and happened to be watching Fox to get a update. I heard Martha MacCallun correctly report that BP said they repaired the choke valve leak. Than they showed the video of the oil coming out of the choke valve pipe as designed before it's closed.and Martha said " BP says the leak was fixed and we can clearly see the oil stlll escaping "
Am I wrong to think a news show should know more about the news than the viewers ? If you only watched Fox you would get the impression that BP was misleading us again and that no progress was being made. The Fox news commentators need to watch to news elsewhere before reporting.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Jul 15, 2010 7:33:37am |
Emmer Gets A 'Tip' From Waiters At Town Hall: Bag Of Pennies Dumped On His Table
You have to give Tom Emmer credit. When the presumptive Republican nominee for governor of Minnesota held a town hall meeting with waiters on Wednesday -- as part of a damage control effort after he publicly complained that they were making over $100,000 per year in tips and hurting their employers -- his campaign clearly was not screening the attendees.
...
Emmer last week voiced his support for a policy known as a "tip credit," which is used in 43 states but not in Minnesota, which allows employers to pay a lower minimum wage to waiters -- as low as $2.13 per hour, depending on the implementation, by crediting their tips towards the $7.25 federal requirement. Emmer especially got himself in trouble when he said: "With the tips that they get to take home, there are some that are earning over $100,000 a year -- more than the very people that are providing the jobs and investing not only their life savings but their family's future. Something has to be done about that."
''
Photo Gallery: Emmer's town hall meeting ends with bag of pennies
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Jul 15, 2010 7:33:46am |
re: #245 Killgore Trout
Big Government is filled wall to wall with rants rants against the NAACP today by every black pundit they can get including this from Michael Steele...
*sigh*
And then you have this...
NAACP had no business condemning tea partiers
"It was inappropriate, narrow-minded and divisive, a move that will only cement the aging organization’s growing reputation as a repository of partisan hacks. It will do far more harm than good in a political environment already simmering with contentiousness, suspicion and race-related grievances."
(Cynthia Tucker (born 1955 in Monroeville, Alabama) is a liberal[1] American syndicated columnist. She was recognized with a Pulitzer Prize for Commentary in 2007 "for her courageous, clear-headed columns that evince a strong sense of morality and persuasive knowledge of the community". She was a Pulitzer-nominated finalist in 2004 and 2006.)
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
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Killgore Trout Thu, Jul 15, 2010 7:35:00am |
re: #248 avanti
Am I wrong to think a news show should know more about the news than the viewers ? If you only watched Fox you would get the impression that BP was misleading us again and that no progress was being made. The Fox news commentators need to watch to news elsewhere before reporting.
I'm not really surprised by anything that happens on Fox News anymore.
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reine.de.tout Thu, Jul 15, 2010 7:43:01am |
re: #248 avanti
I've been following the latest capping of the well closely and know they've placed a new device on the old BOP with a better seal. I know they have closed the first valve diverting the flow to another choke valve before closing more valves in a attempt to "cap" the well.
I know they had a small leak in the new choke valve that was just repaired and happened to be watching Fox to get a update. I heard Martha MacCallun correctly report that BP said they repaired the choke valve leak. Than they showed the video of the oil coming out of the choke valve pipe as designed before it's closed.and Martha said " BP says the leak was fixed and we can clearly see the oil stlll escaping "
Am I wrong to think a news show should know more about the news than the viewers ? If you only watched Fox you would get the impression that BP was misleading us again and that no progress was being made. The Fox news commentators need to watch to news elsewhere before reporting.
The Roi is very worried about this integrity test. He thinks they should just go ahead and begin capturing the oil. His fear is that the integrity test itself could possibly cause a rupture in a delicate system down there that's already damanged, which could cause oil to flow from 18,000 below the surface to the reservoir 8,000 feet under the surface - meaning any future drilling in that general area could come across a reservoir 8,000 feet under the surface that has unexpected pressure because it's being filled by another reservoir 18,000 feet under the surface. I've explained that as best as I'm able with my limited understanding of these sorts of things.
Who knows? At any rate, he feels this integrity test is another attempted short-cut by BP, and there is no need to do it, they should just begin capturing whatever flow is coming out right now. We'll see.
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reine.de.tout Thu, Jul 15, 2010 7:44:22am |
re: #248 avanti
I've been following the latest capping of the well closely and know they've placed a new device on the old BOP with a better seal. I know they have closed the first valve diverting the flow to another choke valve before closing more valves in a attempt to "cap" the well.
I know they had a small leak in the new choke valve that was just repaired and happened to be watching Fox to get a update. I heard Martha MacCallun correctly report that BP said they repaired the choke valve leak. Than they showed the video of the oil coming out of the choke valve pipe as designed before it's closed.and Martha said " BP says the leak was fixed and we can clearly see the oil stlll escaping "
Am I wrong to think a news show should know more about the news than the viewers ? If you only watched Fox you would get the impression that BP was misleading us again and that no progress was being made. The Fox news commentators need to watch to news elsewhere before reporting.
And as to the news reports - none of 'em are getting much right on this. The best and most accurate information I've seen has been posted right here by Austin Blue and Bagua.
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lawhawk Thu, Jul 15, 2010 7:45:48am |
re: #254 reine.de.tout
The talking heads on tv know how to read a teleprompter, and not much more. They don't have the specific knowledge gathered from being in the industry or from following along with all the intricate details that some folks have been able to do.
And that goes for pretty much issue that includes some kind of technical knowledge.
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reine.de.tout Thu, Jul 15, 2010 7:47:55am |
re: #255 lawhawk
The talking heads on tv know how to read a teleprompter, and not much more. They don't have the specific knowledge gathered from being in the industry or from following along with all the intricate details that some folks have been able to do.
And that goes for pretty much issue that includes some kind of technical knowledge.
This is so true.
But I've seen them get experts to help them explain things, when they lack the technical knowledge to do so - they'll get airplane crash investigators on when there's a crash - I'm curious as to why they have not gotten a drilling expert on to help explain these things. I haven't seen one, not one, on any of the networks (maybe I'm not watching at the right times?)
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McSpiff Thu, Jul 15, 2010 7:50:17am |
re: #256 reine.de.tout
This is so true.
But I've seen them get experts to help them explain things, when they lack the technical knowledge to do so - they'll get airplane crash investigators on when there's a crash - I'm curious as to why they have not gotten a drilling expert on to help explain these things. I haven't seen one, not one, on any of the networks (maybe I'm not watching at the right times?)
Thats an incredibly good question Reine...
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researchok Thu, Jul 15, 2010 7:51:40am |
re: #256 reine.de.tout
This is so true.
But I've seen them get experts to help them explain things, when they lack the technical knowledge to do so - they'll get airplane crash investigators on when there's a crash - I'm curious as to why they have not gotten a drilling expert on to help explain these things. I haven't seen one, not one, on any of the networks (maybe I'm not watching at the right times?)
Hell, I'm still waiting to hear from the US Navy as to why they can raise subs and missiles from the depths but they can't cap a well.
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avanti Thu, Jul 15, 2010 7:52:08am |
re: #256 reine.de.tout
This is so true.
But I've seen them get experts to help them explain things, when they lack the technical knowledge to do so - they'll get airplane crash investigators on when there's a crash - I'm curious as to why they have not gotten a drilling expert on to help explain these things. I haven't seen one, not one, on any of the networks (maybe I'm not watching at the right times?)
CNN had several on this week, and that helped me a lot.
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reine.de.tout Thu, Jul 15, 2010 7:52:38am |
re: #257 McSpiff
Thats an incredibly good question Reine...
Pure speculation on my part:
I think the experts that are out there want no part of this, in any way shape or form, because they'd have to go on major bashing of BP if they were honest, and so they are refusing to participate in news reporting.
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reine.de.tout Thu, Jul 15, 2010 7:53:37am |
re: #259 avanti
CNN had several on this week, and that helped me a lot.
OK, well, that's good then.
They really need some experts to help explain this stuff, it's complicated and difficult to understand and report accurately if one has no expertise in this area.
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avanti Thu, Jul 15, 2010 7:54:41am |
re: #258 researchok
Hell, I'm still waiting to hear from the US Navy as to why they can raise subs and missiles from the depths but they can't cap a well.
The Navy does not have the undersea robots designed for the oil industry, nor the other tools and equipment. The Navy could look at the well, or blow it up, but that's about it.
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lawhawk Thu, Jul 15, 2010 7:55:20am |
re: #258 researchok
Hell, I'm still waiting to hear from the US Navy as to why they can raise subs and missiles from the depths but they can't cap a well.
It's completely different technological capabilities. One involves hoisting equipment and materials in one piece (or several pieces), while the other requires manipulating and shutting down a well spewing out tremendous volumes of liquid at extremely high pressure (which was why the top kill and junk shots didn't work) that is operating at tremendous depths and under crushing pressures.
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researchok Thu, Jul 15, 2010 7:55:36am |
re: #262 avanti
The Navy does not have the undersea robots designed for the oil industry, nor the other tools and equipment. The Navy could look at the well, or blow it up, but that's about it.
I'm sure you are right. I just want to hear it from the Navy.
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avanti Thu, Jul 15, 2010 7:56:49am |
re: #261 reine.de.tout
OK, well, that's good then.
They really need some experts to help explain this stuff, it's complicated and difficult to understand and report accurately if one has no expertise in this area.
They explained a lot about pressures at, and below the sea floor, where the weaknesses in the different pipes might be relating to those pressures and the pressure of the oil.
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researchok Thu, Jul 15, 2010 7:57:30am |
re: #263 lawhawk
It's completely different technological capabilities. One involves hoisting equipment and materials in one piece (or several pieces), while the other requires manipulating and shutting down a well spewing out tremendous volumes of liquid at extremely high pressure (which was why the top kill and junk shots didn't work) that is operating at tremendous depths and under crushing pressures.
No doubt you have a point. I just find it curious that not a single US Navy expert has been asked directly.
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avanti Thu, Jul 15, 2010 7:57:49am |
re: #264 researchok
I'm sure you are right. I just want to hear it from the Navy.
In this case, we hear from the Coast Guard.
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researchok Thu, Jul 15, 2010 7:58:31am |
re: #267 avanti
In this case, we hear from the Coast Guard.
The CG has nowhere near the capabilities of the Navy.
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Interesting Times Thu, Jul 15, 2010 7:58:56am |
re: #260 reine.de.tout
Speaking of the blown-out well and horrible consequences thereof, did you see this article that Kragar linked to yesterday?
Doomsday: How BP Gulf disaster may have triggered a 'world-killing' event
Northwestern University's Gregory Ryskin, a bio-chemical engineer, has a theory: The oceans periodically produce massive eruptions of explosive methane gas. He has documented the scientific evidence that such an event was directly responsible for the mass extinctions that occurred 55 million years ago. [4]
The warning signs of an impending planetary catastrophe—of such great magnitude that the human mind has difficulty grasping it-would be the appearance of large fissures or rifts splitting open the ocean floor, a rise in the elevation of the seabed, and the massive venting of methane and other gases into the surrounding water.
Such occurrences can lead to the rupture of the methane bubble containment—it can then permit the methane to breach the subterranean depths and undergo an explosive decompression as it catapults into the Gulf waters. [6]
All three warning signs are documented to be occurring in the Gulf.
Mass death on the water
If the methane bubble—a bubble that could be as big as 20 miles wide—erupts with titanic force from the seabed into the Gulf, every ship, drilling rig and structure within the region of the bubble will immediately sink. All the workers, engineers, Coast Guard personnel and marine biologists participating in the salvage operation will die instantly.
Next, the ocean bottom will collapse, instantaneously displacing up to a trillion cubic feet of water or more and creating a towering supersonic tsunami annihilating everything along the coast and well inland. Like a thermonuclear blast, a high pressure atmospheric wave could precede the tidal wave flattening everything in its path before the water arrives.
When the roaring tsunami does arrive it will scrub away all that is left.
Has The Roi heard anyone else speak of this?
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reine.de.tout Thu, Jul 15, 2010 7:59:16am |
re: #253 reine.de.tout
The Roi is very worried about this integrity test. He thinks they should just go ahead and begin capturing the oil. His fear is that the integrity test itself could possibly cause a rupture in a delicate system down there that's already damanged, which could cause oil to flow from 18,000 below the surface to the reservoir 8,000 feet under the surface - meaning any future drilling in that general area could come across a reservoir 8,000 feet under the surface that has unexpected pressure because it's being filled by another reservoir 18,000 feet under the surface. I've explained that as best as I'm able with my limited understanding of these sorts of things.
Who knows? At any rate, he feels this integrity test is another attempted short-cut by BP, and there is no need to do it, they should just begin capturing whatever flow is coming out right now. We'll see.
A bit more of an explanation:
As I understood the Roi's explanation, there is drill pipe in the hole, but it is sheared off 200 feet below the surface. That pipe was cemented in place by the same people attempting the failed job that caused the blowout, and the integrity test will put additional pressure on that pipe. They are trusting that the cement job will hold. LOL. Not sure I trust it.
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reine.de.tout Thu, Jul 15, 2010 8:01:00am |
re: #269 publicityStunted
Speaking of the blown-out well and horrible consequences thereof, did you see this article that Kragar linked to yesterday?
Doomsday: How BP Gulf disaster may have triggered a 'world-killing' event
Has The Roi heard anyone else speak of this?
I saw this yesterday.
I also saw a counter-story to this; experts at LSU who study these things scoffed at this story, they do not believe we are anywhere near having this scenario happen. I looked for the counter story just now and can't find it again, darn.
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 15, 2010 8:02:11am |
re: #269 publicityStunted
Someone needs to stay away from the brown acid.
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Interesting Times Thu, Jul 15, 2010 8:06:31am |
re: #271 reine.de.tout
I saw this yesterday.
I also saw a counter-story to this; experts at LSU who study these things scoffed at this story, they do not believe we are anywhere near having this scenario happen. I looked for the counter story just now and can't find it again, darn.
I would really like to see it if you can - in your web browser, use the Ctrl-H shortcut to open up your history of sites visited - you might see it on that list.
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Targetpractice Thu, Jul 15, 2010 8:07:24am |
re: #271 reine.de.tout
I saw this yesterday.
I also saw a counter-story to this; experts at LSU who study these things scoffed at this story, they do not believe we are anywhere near having this scenario happen. I looked for the counter story just now and can't find it again, darn.
Found this over at Yahoo!
Will human life be wiped out by a BP-induced methane eruption? No.
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Ericus58 Thu, Jul 15, 2010 8:17:40am |
Time for a nice morning palette cleanser... to wash those doomsday feelings away....
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albusteve Thu, Jul 15, 2010 8:20:11am |
A week after suing Arizona and arguing that the state's immigration law creates a patchwork of rules, the Obama administration said it will not go after so-called sanctuary cities that refuse to cooperate with the federal government on immigration enforcement, on the grounds that they are not as bad as a state that "actively interferes."
selective enforcement of the law...exactly why we have the situation at the border that we have
[Link: www.washingtontimes.com...]
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 15, 2010 8:20:26am |
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 15, 2010 8:21:10am |
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laZardo Thu, Jul 15, 2010 8:21:35am |
re: #278 MandyManners
He's a nut. Sounds like he'd fit right in with David Icke.
I don't know why but David Icke is at least entertaining.
Well, there has to be something entertaining for shapeshifting Zionist lizards about a guy that thinks that shapeshifting Zionist lizards run the world. q;
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reine.de.tout Thu, Jul 15, 2010 8:22:50am |
re: #273 publicityStunted
I would really like to see it if you can - in your web browser, use the Ctrl-H shortcut to open up your history of sites visited - you might see it on that list.
Here it is.
I started to do a page about it yesterday and said - nah!.
So today I did the page.
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reine.de.tout Thu, Jul 15, 2010 8:23:22am |
re: #274 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Found this over at Yahoo!
Will human life be wiped out by a BP-induced methane eruption? No.
That's it.
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 15, 2010 8:23:54am |
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Shiplord Kirel Thu, Jul 15, 2010 8:23:58am |
re: #269 publicityStunted
The author, Terence Aym, is the same nutjob who proposed that the North Koreans attacked the Deepwater Horizon rig. His idea of a twenty-mile wide methane bubble is geologically illiterate. Does he think we have vast caverns of pressurized gas down there just waiting to break through the surface? If so, why doesn't this happen all the time? There is an awful lot of methane in the Earth's crust, but you don't have it breaking out in giant bubbles miles across, and those bubbles are certainly not what keeps the surface from collapsing into some bottomless pit.
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 15, 2010 8:24:32am |
re: #280 laZardo
I don't know why but David Icke is at least entertaining.
Well, there has to be something entertaining for shapeshifting Zionist lizards about a guy that thinks that shapeshifting Zionist lizards run the world. q;
Sticking a fork in a toaster is entertaining for the observers.
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Bubblehead II Thu, Jul 15, 2010 8:24:53am |
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albusteve Thu, Jul 15, 2010 8:25:14am |
more news on the Recovery...
July 15 (Bloomberg) -- A record 269,962 U.S. homes were seized from delinquent owners in the second quarter as lenders set a pace to claim more than 1 million properties by the end of 2010, according to RealtyTrac Inc.
[Link: www.businessweek.com...]
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Killgore Trout Thu, Jul 15, 2010 8:25:55am |
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 15, 2010 8:26:07am |
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 15, 2010 8:26:46am |
re: #215 Ebetty
Good morning all. Tell Mandy hello, if she stops by. I'm off to the lawyer's office and a fine day at work. Yippee-Kye-Ay.
Attorney? For issues with your ex-boyfriend? Eeks.
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Interesting Times Thu, Jul 15, 2010 8:29:20am |
re: #281 reine.de.tout
Here it is.
I started to do a page about it yesterday and said - nah!.So today I did the page.
Thanks! Here's something you might want to add to it, where the real scientist mentioned in the article - Gregory Ryskin - weighs in:
Scientist Denies He Ever Predicted BP Oil Spill Would Cause Extinction Of Mankind
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lawhawk Thu, Jul 15, 2010 8:29:52am |
re: #284 Shiplord Kirel
It's based on some paper authored by Northwestern's Gregory Ryskin, but most geologists discount the theory.
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Bubblehead II Thu, Jul 15, 2010 8:29:54am |
re: #289 MandyManners
Good morning to you, Bubblehead! How's life today?
Good. Have a bit of yard work to do today, but other than that just get to be a slug and hang out here.
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Shiplord Kirel Thu, Jul 15, 2010 8:30:02am |
From David Icke's wikipedia bio:
At the heart of his theories lies the idea that a secret group of reptilian humanoids called the Babylonian Brotherhood controls humanity, and that many prominent figures are reptilian, including George W. Bush, Queen Elizabeth II, Kris Kristofferson, and Boxcar Willie.
OK, I can believe the others, especially Kristofferson, but Boxcar Willie?
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 15, 2010 8:31:45am |
re: #294 Bubblehead II
Good. Have a bit of yard work to do today, but other than that just get to be a slug and hang out here.
Stay away from Kilgore. He has FROGS!
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reine.de.tout Thu, Jul 15, 2010 8:32:46am |
re: #292 publicityStunted
Thanks! Here's something you might want to add to it, where the real scientist mentioned in the article - Gregory Ryskin - weighs in:
Scientist Denies He Ever Predicted BP Oil Spill Would Cause Extinction Of Mankind
Got it, and updated the page.
Thanks.
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 15, 2010 8:33:01am |
re: #295 Shiplord Kirel
From David Icke's wikipedia bio:
OK, I can believe the others, especially Kristofferson, but Boxcar Willie?
The conspiracy is deeper than you can imagine. THEY'RE EVERYWHERE.
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albusteve Thu, Jul 15, 2010 8:33:25am |
US vs Hizballah...
Four years ago this week, Israel launched a military campaign in Lebanon in retaliation for a brazen Hizballah attack on its soldiers. The goal, according to an Israeli official, was "to put Hizballah out of business." But neither war nor subsequent U.S. diplomatic efforts aimed at weakening the group have succeeded, and some in the Obama administration now appear to view direct engagement as an option worth exploring.
someone has to do it sooner or later
[Link: www.realclearworld.com...]
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Jul 15, 2010 8:34:12am |
re: #295 Shiplord Kirel
From David Icke's wikipedia bio:
OK, I can believe the others, especially Kristofferson, but Boxcar Willie?
I saw Boxcar Willie live a number of time... I wonder why that nose of his looked so large and rubbery.
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reine.de.tout Thu, Jul 15, 2010 8:35:01am |
re: #288 Killgore Trout
Gulf Oil Spill: Bill Nye Explains BP's Latest Efforts To Cap Gushing Oil Leak (VIDEO)
Excellent.
What John King was talking about, is what the Roi is concerned about.
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 15, 2010 8:35:18am |
An accord with the Vatican gave privileges to the Catholic Church not enjoyed by other churches, he said.
The Venezuelan Episcopal Conference warned this week about growing political polarisation ahead of key legislative elections in September.
Mr Chavez has described local Catholic leaders as "troglodytes".
SNIP
"I am Marxist, but before Marxist I'm deeply Christian," Mr Chavez said.
SNIP
I don't think he understands Marxism at all.
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 15, 2010 8:36:02am |
re: #300 albusteve
US vs Hizballah...
Four years ago this week, Israel launched a military campaign in Lebanon in retaliation for a brazen Hizballah attack on its soldiers. The goal, according to an Israeli official, was "to put Hizballah out of business." But neither war nor subsequent U.S. diplomatic efforts aimed at weakening the group have succeeded, and some in the Obama administration now appear to view direct engagement as an option worth exploring.
someone has to do it sooner or later
[Link: www.realclearworld.com...]
Bullshit.
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Shiplord Kirel Thu, Jul 15, 2010 8:36:05am |
re: #293 lawhawk
It's based on some paper authored by Northwestern's Gregory Ryskin, but most geologists discount the theory.
Ryskin was talking about a release from methane hydrates (already present in the oceans) over a period of days or weeks, very sudden by geological standards, but nothing like a giant bubble welling out from beneath the solid surface. The primary fallacy in Aym's hypothesis is that the BP blowout has created some kind of unique opening in the Earth's crust that will allow for a massive and instantaneous escape of subterranean methane. Cracks, fissures, and holes of all kinds develop all the time in the Earth's surface, all without any giant explosive bubbles.
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ryannon Thu, Jul 15, 2010 8:37:42am |
re: #300 albusteve
US vs Hizballah...
Four years ago this week, Israel launched a military campaign in Lebanon in retaliation for a brazen Hizballah attack on its soldiers. The goal, according to an Israeli official, was "to put Hizballah out of business." But neither war nor subsequent U.S. diplomatic efforts aimed at weakening the group have succeeded, and some in the Obama administration now appear to view direct engagement as an option worth exploring.
someone has to do it sooner or later
[Link: www.realclearworld.com...]
We're already overextended and desperately need to unclench our fists. Let Syria take care of it.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Jul 15, 2010 8:38:18am |
re: #287 albusteve
more news on the Recovery...
July 15 (Bloomberg) -- A record 269,962 U.S. homes were seized from delinquent owners in the second quarter as lenders set a pace to claim more than 1 million properties by the end of 2010, according to RealtyTrac Inc.
[Link: www.businessweek.com...]
This is another great example. These news organizations often produce stories with headlines to cater to specific audiences. One for the doom and gloom crowd....
U.S. Home Seizures Rise 38% to Record as Banks Process Backlog
A record 269,962 U.S. homes were seized from delinquent owners in the second quarter as lenders set a pace to claim more than 1 million properties by the end of 2010, according to RealtyTrac Inc.
And another for the optimists....
Foreclosures fall 5%
The foreclosure plague seems to have reached its peak and started to fade, but the recovery is still fragile.
The number of foreclosure filings of all types -- including notices of delinquency, auction notices and repossessions -- fell during the first six months of 2010, according to RealtyTrac, the online marketer of foreclosed properties.
It's the same story about the same data from the same company just with two different spins.
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reine.de.tout Thu, Jul 15, 2010 8:38:19am |
re: #253 reine.de.tout
The Roi is very worried about this integrity test. He thinks they should just go ahead and begin capturing the oil. His fear is that the integrity test itself could possibly cause a rupture in a delicate system down there that's already damanged, which could cause oil to flow from 18,000 below the surface to the reservoir 8,000 feet under the surface - meaning any future drilling in that general area could come across a reservoir 8,000 feet under the surface that has unexpected pressure because it's being filled by another reservoir 18,000 feet under the surface. I've explained that as best as I'm able with my limited understanding of these sorts of things.
Who knows? At any rate, he feels this integrity test is another attempted short-cut by BP, and there is no need to do it, they should just begin capturing whatever flow is coming out right now. We'll see.
Killgore just posted this, and this explains exactly what I tried to explain above:
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Killgore Trout Thu, Jul 15, 2010 8:39:02am |
re: #302 reine.de.tout
Excellent.
What John King was talking about, is what the Roi is concerned about.
Ah, I just liked it because it was dumbed down enough for me to understand.
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reine.de.tout Thu, Jul 15, 2010 8:41:58am |
re: #309 Killgore Trout
Ah, I just liked it because it was dumbed down enough for me to understand.
Same here.
LOL.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Jul 15, 2010 8:42:37am |
re: #307 Killgore Trout
It's the same story about the same data from the same company just with two different spins.
(Thirty eight percent rise in home seizures as banks process backlog) minus spin (foreclosures fall five percent) = total claims to date over one million homes.
It doesn't matter in the long run what the spin is, the equation still produces the same results...
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ryannon Thu, Jul 15, 2010 8:43:25am |
re: #312 Walter L. Newton
(Thirty eight percent rise in home seizures as banks process backlog) minus spin (foreclosures fall five percent) = total claims to date over one million homes.
It doesn't matter in the long run what the spin is, the equation still produces the same results...
There wasn't supposed to be math.
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Bubblehead II Thu, Jul 15, 2010 8:43:42am |
re: #297 MandyManners
Stay away from Kilgore. He has FROGS!
Lawyer+Blonde Joke
A lawyer boarded a airplane in New Orleans with a box of frozen Crabs and asked a blonde Stewardess to take care of them for him.
She took the box and promised to put it in the crew's refrigerator. He advised her that he was holding her personally responsible for them staying frozen, mentioning in in a very haughty manner that he was a lawyer and proceeded to rant at her about what would happen if she let them thaw out.
Needless to say she was annoyed by his behavior. Shortly before landing in New York, she used the intercom to announce to the entire cabin, "Will the Lawyer who gave me the crabs in New Orleans, please raise your hand."
Not one hand went up........ so she took them home and ate them.
Two lessons here:
1. Lawyers aren't as smart as they think they are.
and
2. Blonds aren't as dumb as most folks think.
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 15, 2010 8:44:41am |
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 15, 2010 8:45:29am |
re: #314 Bubblehead II
Lawyer+Blonde Joke
A lawyer boarded a airplane in New Orleans with a box of frozen Crabs and asked a blonde Stewardess to take care of them for him.
She took the box and promised to put it in the crew's refrigerator. He advised her that he was holding her personally responsible for them staying frozen, mentioning in in a very haughty manner that he was a lawyer and proceeded to rant at her about what would happen if she let them thaw out.
Needless to say she was annoyed by his behavior. Shortly before landing in New York, she used the intercom to announce to the entire cabin, "Will the Lawyer who gave me the crabs in New Orleans, please raise your hand."
Not one hand went up... so she took them home and ate them.
Two lessons here:
1. Lawyers aren't as smart as they think they are.
and
2. Blonds aren't as dumb as most folks think.
ROFLMAO!
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Darth Vader Gargoyle Thu, Jul 15, 2010 8:47:14am |
re: #296 RogueOne
The new droid x is beautiful And very quick
There was a time I used to like you...that time was this morning.
//
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Vicious Babushka Thu, Jul 15, 2010 8:47:14am |
re: #295 Shiplord Kirel
From David Icke's wikipedia bio:
OK, I can believe the others, especially Kristofferson, but Boxcar Willie?
That's him on the cookbook cover, turning the gamy buttocks on a spit!
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Jul 15, 2010 8:49:28am |
Hello lizards! I'm feeling great today!
:)
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lawhawk Thu, Jul 15, 2010 8:49:30am |
re: #307 Killgore Trout
Actually - it's addressing two different data points. One refers to the actual foreclosures, while the other relates to new filings. Actual foreclosures are up and increasing, while new filings are decreasing.
The net effect is that the backlog of foreclosures is slowly working through the system - meaning that we're going to see high numbers of foreclosures for the near future (1 year +), but new filings are down slightly, showing that the worst effects of the credit bubble and real estate bubble may have passed. However, if unemployment remains at or above current levels, foreclosures may start hitting harder - as people can't afford to stay in their homes.
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albusteve Thu, Jul 15, 2010 8:49:34am |
massive home foreclosures due this year...
[Link: www.time.com...]
[Link: www.associatedcontent.com...]
[Link: www.nuwireinvestor.com...]
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laZardo Thu, Jul 15, 2010 8:49:44am |
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Killgore Trout Thu, Jul 15, 2010 8:50:50am |
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 15, 2010 8:51:21am |
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 15, 2010 8:52:23am |
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Cato the Elder Thu, Jul 15, 2010 8:52:45am |
Boxcar Willie was a 33rd-degree Mason, a snake-handler, and the main partner with Queen Elizabeth II in hooking the world on hard drugs.
Lyndon LaRouche told me so just the other night.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Jul 15, 2010 8:52:54am |
re: #313 ryannon
There wasn't supposed to be math.
On a side note... (I'm posting this here just in case it drums up a little extra business for a friend of mine).
I just got an email from Arthur Gillette, who lives in the Paris area, ex-director of children's education at UNESCO, older than god, and one of the most wonderful and informative walking tour guide in Paris.
I emailed him to see if he was still doing the walking tours. He is. He works with a number of different historical non-profits in Paris and is extremely knowledgeable of Paris and France history, and his walking tours brings to you places in Paris that many a native don't know exists. So, as soon as I set my dates in for Jan. I will book a tour with him...
Do you want me to make it 3 people, my treat (yes he charges, yes he would do it for free for me, no, I don't take that charity, he's retired and it supplements his retirement funds).
And if anyone is ever going to be in Paris, look Arthur up (shameless promotional message).
You can find his self-guides here [Link: www.media-cartes.fr...] and email me of you want his email or phone numbers or other contact info.
Interested Ryannon?
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Jul 15, 2010 8:53:04am |
re: #325 MandyManners
Fantastic to hear that!
My wife scared me the other day. Did you see last week's Deadliest Catch episode when Phil Harris had a stroke?
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 15, 2010 8:55:34am |
re: #327 Cato the Elder
Boxcar Willie was a 33rd-degree Mason, a snake-handler, and the main partner with Queen Elizabeth II in hooking the world on hard drugs.
Lyndon LaRouche told me so just the other night.
But, did he teach you their secret handshake?
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 15, 2010 8:56:01am |
re: #329 NJDhockeyfan
My wife scared me the other day. Did you see last week's Deadliest Catch episode when Phil Harris had a stroke?
I don't know what that is.
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Cato the Elder Thu, Jul 15, 2010 8:56:26am |
re: #330 MandyManners
But, did he teach you their secret handshake?
No, I taught it to him, after I learned it from Mozart.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Jul 15, 2010 8:57:34am |
re: #328 Walter L. Newton
Oops... link bad to the maps of the self guided tours... anyway, email for further contact info... anytime... if you are in Paris, I highly recommend Arthur Gillette's walking tours.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Jul 15, 2010 8:58:52am |
re: #333 Walter L. Newton
Oops... link bad to the maps of the self guided tours... anyway, email for further contact info... anytime... if you are in Paris, I highly recommend Arthur Gillette's walking tours.
Ok... I found a better link... Paris Through the Ages walking tours...
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 15, 2010 8:58:54am |
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Cato the Elder Thu, Jul 15, 2010 8:59:24am |
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Jul 15, 2010 8:59:38am |
re: #331 MandyManners
I don't know what that is.
Phil Harris was one of the crab boat captains on that show. He had a stroke and was rushed to the hospital. The doctors showed his brain activity and why they had to give him a 12 hour operation on his brain. My wife said I almost had to get the same operation. I didn't know that.
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Radicchio ad Absurdum Thu, Jul 15, 2010 9:01:11am |
re: #337 NJDhockeyfan
Phil Harris was one of the crab boat captains on that show. He had a stroke and was rushed to the hospital. The doctors showed his brain activity and why they had to give him a 12 hour operation on his brain. My wife said I almost had to get the same operation. I didn't know that.
Glad to hear you didn't.
I missed the episode. What ever ended up happening with Phil?
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ryannon Thu, Jul 15, 2010 9:01:52am |
re: #328 Walter L. Newton
On a side note... (I'm posting this here just in case it drums up a little extra business for a friend of mine).
I just got an email from Arthur Gillette, who lives in the Paris area, ex-director of children's education at UNESCO, older than god, and one of the most wonderful and informative walking tour guide in Paris.
I emailed him to see if he was still doing the walking tours. He is. He works with a number of different historical non-profits in Paris and is extremely knowledgeable of Paris and France history, and his walking tours brings to you places in Paris that many a native don't know exists. So, as soon as I set my dates in for Jan. I will book a tour with him...
Do you want me to make it 3 people, my treat (yes he charges, yes he would do it for free for me, no, I don't take that charity, he's retired and it supplements his retirement funds).
And if anyone is ever going to be in Paris, look Arthur up (shameless promotional message).
You can find his self-guides here [Link: www.media-cartes.fr...] and email me of you want his email or phone numbers or other contact info.
Interested Ryannon?
Nominally interested - but as a way of spending time together, it could be enjoyable. Why don't we wait until you get here: I ain't walking around in no sub-arctic weather (meaning, anything less than 80 degrees) / And thank you for the invitation - I'll find a way to reciprocate. (Thinking of renting the Eiffel Tower for the three of us for the evening).
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Jul 15, 2010 9:03:18am |
re: #338 Radicchio ad Absurdum
Glad to hear you didn't.
I missed the episode. What ever ended up happening with Phil?
Phil died unfortunately. He was able to talk with his kids & friends before that happened. He was a great guy and will be missed by a lot of people.
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 15, 2010 9:03:44am |
re: #337 NJDhockeyfan
Phil Harris was one of the crab boat captains on that show. He had a stroke and was rushed to the hospital. The doctors showed his brain activity and why they had to give him a 12 hour operation on his brain. My wife said I almost had to get the same operation. I didn't know that.
Good to know you didn't get that done.
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albusteve Thu, Jul 15, 2010 9:05:12am |
immigration and the politics of votes and power...
Will Obama's Immigration Focus Hurt Democrats?
[Link: www.time.com...]
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Radicchio ad Absurdum Thu, Jul 15, 2010 9:05:19am |
re: #340 NJDhockeyfan
Phil died unfortunately. He was able to talk with his kids & friends before that happened. He was a great guy and will be missed by a lot of people.
Holy shit. I didn't know that. Are his kids going to skipper his boat?
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Jul 15, 2010 9:06:00am |
re: #341 MandyManners
Good to know you didn't get that done.
Thanks. Me too. I was out for 3 days before I woke up. I am still amazed at what happened.
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 15, 2010 9:06:19am |
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Jul 15, 2010 9:07:11am |
re: #344 Radicchio ad Absurdum
Holy shit. I didn't know that. Are his kids going to skipper his boat?
Yes. They were on After the Catch last night. The other captains are going to help them as well. Those people in the crab industry are fantastic folks.
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 15, 2010 9:07:30am |
re: #345 NJDhockeyfan
Thanks. Me too. I was out for 3 days before I woke up. I am still amazed at what happened.
I was in a coma for about a week. It is a weird feeling.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Jul 15, 2010 9:10:05am |
re: #348 MandyManners
I was in a coma for about a week. It is a weird feeling.
Holy shit, I didn't know that! I'm glad you survived. I have never had any health problems. The doctors have no idea what caused it. They are going to look again in mid Sept and see.
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Ericus58 Thu, Jul 15, 2010 9:10:41am |
"Don't be so gullible, McFly!"
[Link: www.snopes.com...]
My BIL sent me an email with this... I didn't have the heart to email him back with my easy search for proof.
His heart had good intentions.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Jul 15, 2010 9:10:42am |
re: #339 ryannon
Nominally interested - but as a way of spending time together, it could be enjoyable. Why don't we wait until you get here: I ain't walking around in no sub-arctic weather (meaning, anything less than 80 degrees) / And thank you for the invitation - I'll find a way to reciprocate. (Thinking of renting the Eiffel Tower for the three of us for the evening).
LOL... ok.. but remember, I'm not afraid of heights, but depths scare the bejimmies out of me.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Jul 15, 2010 9:11:51am |
Why is al-Reuters visiting today?
Reuters
Today: 56
Yesterday: 14
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Cato the Elder Thu, Jul 15, 2010 9:12:23am |
re: #351 Walter L. Newton
LOL... ok.. but remember, I'm not afraid of heights, but depths scare the bejimmies out of me.
So, no tour of the Paris sewers for you?
I loved that one.
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lawhawk Thu, Jul 15, 2010 9:14:11am |
re: #353 Cato the Elder
Or the Catacombs? Freaky, but totally interesting.
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Obdicut Thu, Jul 15, 2010 9:14:23am |
re: #352 NJDhockeyfan
Maybe they fucked something up and are seeing if we've noticed yet.
To the Lizardmobile!
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Jul 15, 2010 9:17:58am |
re: #353 Cato the Elder
So, no tour of the Paris sewers for you?
I loved that one.
I have some video of a group of tourists and myself getting off the elevator at the first observation deck on the Tour Eiffel... and there is this attendant directing people off the elevator... and he is waving his hand, herding us on, and from the camera angle I had, it appears that he is yammering away in French and asking all the tourist to calmly walk right to the edge and jump.
At least that's the English subtitles I add in my monologue of the video.
He just had this look on his face as if he's seen enough tourist, day after day, and that thought was running through his head...
Er... well... ok... you had to be there.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Jul 15, 2010 9:18:39am |
re: #354 lawhawk
Or the Catacombs? Freaky, but totally interesting.
DO you know what the "Catacombs" of Paris actually are?
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Darth Vader Gargoyle Thu, Jul 15, 2010 9:18:52am |
re: #327 Cato the Elder
Boxcar Willie was a 33rd-degree Mason, a snake-handler, and the main partner with Queen Elizabeth II in hooking the world on hard drugs.
Lyndon LaRouche told me so just the other night.
Stuart Mackenzie: Well, it's a well known fact, Sonny Jim, that there's a secret society of the five wealthiest people in the world, known as The Pentavirate, who run everything in the world, including the newspapers, and meet tri-annually at a secret country mansion in Colorado, known as The Meadows.
Tony Giardino: So who's in this Pentavirate?
Stuart Mackenzie: The Queen, The Vatican, The Gettys, The Rothschilds, *and* Colonel Sanders before he went tits up. Oh, I hated the Colonel with is wee *beady* eyes, and that smug look on his face. "Oh, you're gonna buy my chicken! Ohhhhh!"
Charlie Mackenzie: Dad, how can you hate "The Colonel"?
Stuart Mackenzie: Because he puts an addictive chemical in his chicken that makes ya crave it fortnightly, smartass!
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Obdicut Thu, Jul 15, 2010 9:19:01am |
Let's see: Reuters stories that are kind of crap:
This take on the BP test doesn't mention the dangers inherent in the test that Reine covered above:
[Link: www.reuters.com...]
This story provides Fatah's view of a situation without any commentary from Israel:
[Link: www.reuters.com...]
And I haven't watched this video on the aid ship incident, but there might be crap in there:
[Link: www.reuters.com...]
But here's a Reuters story that is pretty damn interesting:
[Link: www.reuters.com...]
BP confirmed on Thursday it had lobbied the British government in late 2007 over a Prisoner Transfer Agreement with Libya because it was concerned a slow resolution would impact an offshore drilling deal with Libya.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Jul 15, 2010 9:19:18am |
Very interesting...
Ahoy! 18th Century Ship Found At World Trade Center Site
The World Trade Center site has been synonymous with excavation for the past eight+ years, but it was only recently that a ship from the late 1700s was found. Port Authority spokesman Steve Coleman told us that it was found during work for the Vehicle Security Center. And City Room reports:
By Wednesday, the outlines made it plain: a 30-foot length of a wood-hulled vessel had been discovered about 20 to 30 feet below street level on the World Trade Center site, the first such large-scale archaeological find along the Manhattan waterfront since 1982, when an 18th-century cargo ship came to light at 175 Water Street.The area under excavation, between Liberty and Cedar Streets, had not been dug out for the original trade center. The vessel, presumably dating from the mid- to late 1700s, was evidently undisturbed more than 200 years.
How cool is that?
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Killgore Trout Thu, Jul 15, 2010 9:20:08am |
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Obdicut Thu, Jul 15, 2010 9:21:29am |
re: #361 Killgore Trout
Have you watched the video they made about the Gaza aid ship?
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Radicchio ad Absurdum Thu, Jul 15, 2010 9:21:50am |
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Jul 15, 2010 9:24:00am |
re: #363 Radicchio ad Absurdum
They heard you were ok?
Bwahahahahaha!
Hey Reuters...kiss my ass!
See...I am feeling better. :)
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reine.de.tout Thu, Jul 15, 2010 9:24:06am |
re: #359 Obdicut
Let's see: Reuters stories that are kind of crap:
This take on the BP test doesn't mention the dangers inherent in the test that Reine covered above:
[Link: www.reuters.com...]
This story provides Fatah's view of a situation without any commentary from Israel:
[Link: www.reuters.com...]
And I haven't watched this video on the aid ship incident, but there might be crap in there:
[Link: www.reuters.com...]
But here's a Reuters story that is pretty damn interesting:
[Link: www.reuters.com...]
That last story has to do with that guy who was released because he had cancer with only 3 months to live, and it has turned out he either doesn't have cancer or has cancer that's manageable.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Jul 15, 2010 9:25:15am |
re: #365 reine.de.tout
That last story has to do with that guy who was released because he had cancer with only 3 months to live, and it has turned out he either doesn't have cancer or has cancer that's manageable.
I think I heard he may last 10 years or more.
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Obdicut Thu, Jul 15, 2010 9:25:55am |
re: #365 reine.de.tout
Wait, isn't that the Lockerbie bombing guy? Because that story has BP denying that they had anything to do with that. This is about a different Prisoner Transfer agreement, of different terrorists, I believe.
BP said, however, it was not involved in discussions regarding the release of Lockerbie bomber Abdel Basset al-Megrahi.
"The decision to release al-Megrahi in August 2009 was taken by the Scottish government. It is not for BP to comment on the decision of the Scottish government. BP was not involved in any such discussions about the release of al-Megrahi," it said.
I'm more pissed that Reuter's is calling that test-- the one that your husband says is risky-- 'vital'.
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Charles Johnson Thu, Jul 15, 2010 9:26:07am |
re: #352 NJDhockeyfan
Why is al-Reuters visiting today?
It looks like someone is running some kind of automated script to monitor LGF.
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lawhawk Thu, Jul 15, 2010 9:26:10am |
re: #357 Walter L. Newton
Having seen them, I do. It's an ossuary of millions of people when the city cleared out its cemeteries. They turned it into a tourist destination.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Thu, Jul 15, 2010 9:26:26am |
re: #368 Charles
It looks like someone is running some kind of automated script to monitor LGF.
Big Brother is watching you, Charles.
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Radicchio ad Absurdum Thu, Jul 15, 2010 9:26:47am |
re: #367 Obdicut
Wait, isn't that the Lockerbie bombing guy? Because that story has BP denying that they had anything to do with that. This is about a different Prisoner Transfer agreement, of different terrorists, I believe.
I'm more pissed that Reuter's is calling that test-- the one that your husband says is risky-- 'vital'.
This morning NPR said BP admitted lobbying the Brits to free him because the "controversy" could have killed a drilling deal.
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Obdicut Thu, Jul 15, 2010 9:27:16am |
re: #372 Radicchio ad Absurdum
This morning NPR said BP admitted lobbying the Brits to free him because the "controversy" could have killed a drilling deal.
Really? This story says they're denying it. Can you find the NPR story?
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Jul 15, 2010 9:27:21am |
re: #369 lawhawk
Having seen them, I do. It's an ossuary of millions of people when the city cleared out its cemeteries. They turned it into a tourist destination.
Yes... the history is stranger than fiction...
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
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Radicchio ad Absurdum Thu, Jul 15, 2010 9:27:56am |
re: #373 Obdicut
Really? This story says they're denying it. Can you find the NPR story?
I'll try. I was in my car.
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Obdicut Thu, Jul 15, 2010 9:28:19am |
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 15, 2010 9:28:31am |
re: #360 NJDhockeyfan
Very interesting...
Ahoy! 18th Century Ship Found At World Trade Center Site
How cool is that?
Very cool! I remember seeing maps of what Manhattan looked like around that time. One big Central Park.
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lawhawk Thu, Jul 15, 2010 9:28:34am |
Lynne Stewart - convicted felon and disbarred for violating agreements with federal prosecutors by passing on messages from convicted terrorist Sheihk Abdel Rahman to his followers in Egypt - is being resentenced today.
The 2d Circuit had smacked down the original sentence as too lenient, especially in consideration that Stewart may have perjured herself on the stand.
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ryannon Thu, Jul 15, 2010 9:30:20am |
re: #357 Walter L. Newton
DO you know what the "Catacombs" of Paris actually are?
The main entrance is just down the street from where I live. The whole neighborhood is build on top of them. When real estate became valuable enough to empty the medieval Saint Innocents cemetery in the center of Paris in the 19th century, the remains (millions of them) were transfered to the underground limestone quarries that fan out from Denfert-Rochereau. The workers constructed a chapel and all sorts of somewhat macabre references to La Mort. It really is a fascinating experience - on the condition of not being afraid of being way underground and surrounded by piles of skulls and bones, as neatly arranged as in an old-fashioned grocery store.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Jul 15, 2010 9:30:29am |
Out of here... going down to the South Platte to do a little sluicing... I saw some black sand down there the other day when I took Prairie Fire and family for the mountain tour... going to dig a bit and see if any placer gold has wash down recently... ya never know.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Jul 15, 2010 9:30:32am |
re: #352 NJDhockeyfan
Why is al-Reuters visiting today?
It might be from an internal memo warning about cropping pictures. These two pics from Reuters were published today....
[Link: www.daylife.com...]
[Link: www.daylife.com...]
They didn't change the context or eliminate evidence by cropping this picture but they're probably pretty cautious about this now.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Jul 15, 2010 9:31:08am |
re: #362 Obdicut
Have you watched the video they made about the Gaza aid ship?
Yeah, nothing terribly interesting.
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lawhawk Thu, Jul 15, 2010 9:31:18am |
re: #379 ryannon
The French were not without a sense of humor - putting the bones in all kinds of intricate patterns, including crosses, hearts, and the like.
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Radicchio ad Absurdum Thu, Jul 15, 2010 9:31:19am |
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Obdicut Thu, Jul 15, 2010 9:31:30am |
re: #375 Radicchio ad Absurdum
Ah, it's just that NPR is connecting the two:
[Link: www.npr.org...]
NPR's take is that that 2007 prisoner transfer agreement negotation was really for Abdel Basset al-Megrahi, amongst others, even though he wasn't specifically named. That seems to be what they're saying, anyway. The Reuters story presents it so that the conclusion is the lobbying was not connected to al-Megrahi.
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 15, 2010 9:31:30am |
re: #378 lawhawk
Lynne Stewart - convicted felon and disbarred for violating agreements with federal prosecutors by passing on messages from convicted terrorist Sheihk Abdel Rahman to his followers in Egypt - is being resentenced today.
The 2d Circuit had smacked down the original sentence as too lenient, especially in consideration that Stewart may have perjured herself on the stand.
I hope it's a heckuva' lot more than two years and four months.
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darthstar Thu, Jul 15, 2010 9:31:49am |
re: #373 Obdicut
Really? This story says they're denying it. Can you find the NPR story?
Good morning...just did a quick search:
BP confirms it lobbied British officials on the status of Lockerbie bomber Abdel Basset al-Megrahi. But BP press officer Robert Wine says the energy company disclosed this some time ago:
Second story down
[Link: www.npr.org...]
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Jul 15, 2010 9:31:57am |
re: #379 ryannon
The main entrance is just down the street from where I live. The whole neighborhood is build on top of them. When real estate became valuable enough to empty the medieval Saint Innocents cemetery in the center of Paris in the 19th century, the remains (millions of them) were transfered to the underground limestone quarries that fan out from Denfert-Rochereau. The workers constructed a chapel and all sorts of somewhat macabre references to La Mort. It really is a fascinating experience - on the condition of not being afraid of being way underground and surrounded by piles of skulls and bones, as neatly arranged as in an old-fashioned grocery store.
Yes... seen them... for those that don't know the interesting history... I posted this link above... get history...
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
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Radicchio ad Absurdum Thu, Jul 15, 2010 9:32:24am |
re: #385 Obdicut
Ah, it's just that NPR is connecting the two:
[Link: www.npr.org...]
NPR's take is that that 2007 prisoner transfer agreement negotation was really for Abdel Basset al-Megrahi, amongst others, even though he wasn't specifically named. That seems to be what they're saying, anyway. The Reuters story presents it so that the conclusion is the lobbying was not connected to al-Megrahi.
Color me surprised
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Jul 15, 2010 9:32:24am |
re: #380 Walter L. Newton
Out of here... going down to the South Platte to do a little sluicing... I saw some black sand down there the other day when I took Prairie Fire and family for the mountain tour... going to dig a bit and see if any placer gold has wash down recently... ya never know.
Ok... really out of here now... BBL.
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Charles Johnson Thu, Jul 15, 2010 9:32:46am |
re: #371 MandyManners
Why was No. 210 deleted?
Because I'm tired of you posting "There is no fun in Islam."
We have several Muslim commenters here. Have you ever stopped to consider how that might make them feel?
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reine.de.tout Thu, Jul 15, 2010 9:32:47am |
re: #367 Obdicut
Wait, isn't that the Lockerbie bombing guy? Because that story has BP denying that they had anything to do with that. This is about a different Prisoner Transfer agreement, of different terrorists, I believe.
I'm more pissed that Reuter's is calling that test-- the one that your husband says is risky-- 'vital'.
Yeah, I was talking the Lockerbie bombing guy - I didn't click your link, I was operating on memory, and haven't seen the other story.
The test isn't vital - or if it is, BP hasn't explained exactly why it's vital. At this point, all they need to do is collect the flow.
PURE SPECULATION: The Roi has no respect for BP, that's not speculation, that's fact. He is speculating that BP would be very happy if the well integrity test caused a collapse in the formation and shut off the flow, which would essentially get them off the hook immediately, no need to finish up the relief well, etc. The problem is that such an incident wouldn't mean the flow was entirely cut off, just that it oil would be flowing from very very deep into shallower deep reservoirs of oil that could be anywhere, really. And that if there is future drilling, a rig could unknowingly drill into a reservoir that is 8,000 feet below the surface, expecting the pressure that is normal at that depth, but run into greater pressure than expected because the 8,000 foot reservoir is being fed by one that's 18,000 feet deep, setting up a dangerous situation.
I hope I explained that right.
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ryannon Thu, Jul 15, 2010 9:33:24am |
re: #371 MandyManners
Why was No. 210 deleted?
Don't go in Room 237.
You ain't got no business going in Room 237!
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jul 15, 2010 9:33:52am |
re: #371 MandyManners
Why was No. 210 deleted?
My guess is that it would be for the same reason it's been deleted the previous times you've made it.
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Obdicut Thu, Jul 15, 2010 9:34:01am |
re: #393 reine.de.tout
Fucking BP, still trying to cut corners. What is wrong with them?
You explained it very well. That would basically set a trap for other companies, a potentially lethal, disastrous trap.
| 397 |
MandyManners Thu, Jul 15, 2010 9:34:32am |
re: #392 Charles
Because I'm tired of you posting "There is no fun in Islam."
We have several Muslim commenters here. Have you ever stopped to consider how that might make them feel?
There are? I had no idea.
The quote is from the Ayatollah.
No offense intended.
| 398 |
ryannon Thu, Jul 15, 2010 9:35:14am |
re: #383 lawhawk
The French were not without a sense of humor - putting the bones in all kinds of intricate patterns, including crosses, hearts, and the like.
It's an innate characteristic, just like their formal gardens.
| 399 |
reine.de.tout Thu, Jul 15, 2010 9:36:28am |
re: #396 Obdicut
Fucking BP, still trying to cut corners. What is wrong with them?
You explained it very well. That would basically set a trap for other companies, a potentially lethal, disastrous trap.
Exactly, he feels BP is still trying to cut corners.
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Obdicut Thu, Jul 15, 2010 9:37:24am |
re: #399 reine.de.tout
Do you know if there's actually been any shakeup in the MMS yet?
Or what mechanism is available to shake up the MMS?
| 401 |
lawhawk Thu, Jul 15, 2010 9:38:16am |
re: #399 reine.de.tout
It's just odd that an additional test is seen as a shortcut. Do we know who's requiring this test? BP? US govt (USCG, DOI, EPA, etc.)?
| 402 |
reine.de.tout Thu, Jul 15, 2010 9:38:37am |
re: #400 Obdicut
Do you know if there's actually been any shakeup in the MMS yet?
Or what mechanism is available to shake up the MMS?
Haven't seen a peep about MMS. Nothing. Zip. Zero, zilch, nada.
And I'm following this pretty closely.
| 403 |
MandyManners Thu, Jul 15, 2010 9:40:47am |
re: #402 reine.de.tout
Haven't seen a peep about MMS. Nothing. Zip. Zero, zilch, nada.
And I'm following this pretty closely.
And you're doing a great job with the ins and outs of science and facts. It's a bit over my head.
| 404 |
Obdicut Thu, Jul 15, 2010 9:41:09am |
re: #402 reine.de.tout
Well, it looks like there's been a small shakeup:
[Link: offshorewindwire.com...]
Interior Department Secretary Ken Salazar restructured the Minerals Management Service late last month in response to the ongoing Gulf of Mexico oil leak.MMS is part of the Interior Department and is responsible for regulating both offshore wind development and oil and gas drilling. In an order signed on May 19, Salazar split the agency into three parts — the Bureau of Ocean Energy Management, the Bureau of Safety and Environmental Enforcement and the Office of Natural Resources Revenue. The order takes effect 30 days after it was signed.
The Bureau of Ocean Energy Management will handle “resource evaluation, planning and leasing,” according to Salazar’s order. The Office of Natural Resources Revenue will be responsible for collecting lease payments and royalties.
And one prominent person replaced.
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reine.de.tout Thu, Jul 15, 2010 9:41:18am |
re: #401 lawhawk
It's just odd that an additional test is seen as a shortcut. Do we know who's requiring this test? BP? US govt (USCG, DOI, EPA, etc.)?
The "shortcut" is my husband's term for it, reasons explained here:
re: #393 reine.de.tout
. . .
The test isn't vital - or if it is, BP hasn't explained exactly why it's vital. At this point, all they need to do is collect the flow.PURE SPECULATION: The Roi has no respect for BP, that's not speculation, that's fact. He is speculating that BP would be very happy if the well integrity test caused a collapse in the formation and shut off the flow, which would essentially get them off the hook immediately, no need to finish up the relief well, etc. The problem is that such an incident wouldn't mean the flow was entirely cut off, just that it oil would be flowing from very very deep into shallower deep reservoirs of oil that could be anywhere, really. And that if there is future drilling, a rig could unknowingly drill into a reservoir that is 8,000 feet below the surface, expecting the pressure that is normal at that depth, but run into greater pressure than expected because the 8,000 foot reservoir is being fed by one that's 18,000 feet deep, setting up a dangerous situation.
I hope I explained that right.
I have no idea if this is being required, or if this is something BP has told the gov't that this is something that needs to be done. I suspect the latter, but honestly, I don't know that for certain. Hubby's opinion is that it's "idiots dealing with idiots". I'm not sure I would go that far, just reporting . . .
| 406 |
MandyManners Thu, Jul 15, 2010 9:41:24am |
Speaking of things being over my head, The Kid wants to go swimming.
| 407 |
reine.de.tout Thu, Jul 15, 2010 9:41:40am |
re: #403 MandyManners
And you're doing a great job with the ins and outs of science and facts. It's a bit over my head.
Over mine too.
I just keep asking questions.
| 408 |
Bubblehead II Thu, Jul 15, 2010 9:42:04am |
| 409 |
NJDhockeyfan Thu, Jul 15, 2010 9:42:32am |
re: #406 MandyManners
Speaking of things being over my head, The Kid wants to go swimming.
Fill the bathtub!
//
| 410 |
reine.de.tout Thu, Jul 15, 2010 9:44:10am |
re: #404 Obdicut
Well, it looks like there's been a small shakeup:
[Link: offshorewindwire.com...]
And one prominent person replaced.
That is probably a better organizational structure. The "problem", honestly, IMO, is going to be getting those there on board with the new program.
In any sort of big organizational change, where the mission of the organization is being changed, studies have shown it takes 5 years for people to get their minds around a new mission. They're not being obstructive, it just takes that long to make a big change in how people think about accomplishing their work.
| 411 |
albusteve Thu, Jul 15, 2010 9:44:16am |
re: #403 MandyManners
And you're doing a great job with the ins and outs of science and facts. It's a bit over my head.
a simple overview of the spill...
[Link: www.cnn.com...]
| 412 |
albusteve Thu, Jul 15, 2010 9:47:33am |
breakfast anyone?
[Link: eatocracy.cnn.com...]
| 413 |
NJDhockeyfan Thu, Jul 15, 2010 9:48:44am |
| 414 |
ryannon Thu, Jul 15, 2010 9:49:08am |
re: #412 albusteve
breakfast anyone?
[Link: eatocracy.cnn.com...]
Something tells me that they'll never replace croissants.
| 415 |
Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears Thu, Jul 15, 2010 9:49:17am |
re: #369 lawhawk
Having seen them, I do. It's an ossuary of millions of people when the city cleared out its cemeteries. They turned it into a tourist destination.
That's a long-term plan of Varek's to arrange for a constant supply of tasty souls visiting the future resting/hiding place of the "Sith Lich" form.
| 416 |
Radicchio ad Absurdum Thu, Jul 15, 2010 9:49:52am |
re: #412 albusteve
breakfast anyone?
[Link: eatocracy.cnn.com...]
At least the come with their own toothpick.
| 417 |
Bubblehead II Thu, Jul 15, 2010 9:51:13am |
About ten minutes until the Apple presser on the I-phone 4 problems. Wonder what Jobs is going to say.
| 418 |
Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears Thu, Jul 15, 2010 9:52:32am |
re: #417 Bubblehead II
About ten minutes until the Apple presser on the I-phone 4 problems. Wonder what Jobs is going to say.
"These are not the droids you're looking for" as he waves his hand slowly.
| 419 |
Spare O'Lake Thu, Jul 15, 2010 9:52:48am |
Why, Greenpeace?
Nine More Greenpeace Activists Arrested
By JPOST.COM STAFF
07/15/2010 18:40Police arrested nine more Greenpeace activists and confiscated their ship for investigation on Thursday.
Eight Greenpeace activists were arrested Thursday morning as they entered an coal-fueled electrical power plant in Hadera in an attempt to disrupt coal breakdown operations.
[Link: www.jpost.com...]
| 420 |
darthstar Thu, Jul 15, 2010 9:53:12am |
A little levity for the morning...Gail Collins' take on the Bristol-Levi re-engagement.
This cannot be a welcome change of subject for the former Republican vice presidential nominee. She’s been on a political roll — raising money, making some prescient picks in the Republican primaries. She’s got a hot “mama grizzlies” video out, in which she touts a new wave of conservative women, rising up to protest ... the bad thing. Palin is really, really vague about exactly what the threat is. (The closest she gets is “the fundamental transformation of America.”) But there’s really no need to be specific because, as she says in the video, “Moms kinda just know when something’s wrong.”
The Bristol-Levi debacle, which might be a minor sideshow for another politician, looms larger for a Mama Grizzly. Inquiring minds might want to know why she didn’t sniff trouble, rise up on her hind legs and eviscerate that hockey-playing thug the first time he followed her daughter through the kitchen door.
| 421 |
albusteve Thu, Jul 15, 2010 9:53:42am |
| 422 |
darthstar Thu, Jul 15, 2010 9:54:19am |
re: #418 oaktree
"These are not the droids you're looking for" as he waves his hand slowly.
The Droid phone should use that line in a commercial.
| 423 |
Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears Thu, Jul 15, 2010 9:54:54am |
re: #420 darthstar
(snip)...the first time he followed her daughter through the kitchen door.
So is that what they're calling it nowadays.
| 424 |
Fozzie Bear Thu, Jul 15, 2010 9:55:11am |
re: #213 _RememberTonyC
good morning Lizards ... did the crew discuss this bit of news?
[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]
according to the piece, venezuela could very well have twice the crude oil reserves as saudi arabia. this makes hugo chavez FAR more dangerous than previously thought. considering how he recently nationalized (stole) a good deal of equipment belonging to an American company, I wonder if our government has any plans for dealing with this dangerous rogue. at the time of my post last week, some on the board said his policies were leading venezuela to possible ruin, but if he has twice the oil reserves of the saudis, that seems to be a serious game changer.
There's only one thing to do. Clearly we must invade. I have it on good authority that we will be greeted as liberators. /
| 425 |
Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears Thu, Jul 15, 2010 9:55:49am |
re: #422 darthstar
The Droid phone should use that line in a commercial.
They probably did. And I bet that George Lucas wanted the farm in exchange for letting them, or at least let them without launching a barrage of law suits.
| 426 |
darthstar Thu, Jul 15, 2010 9:57:13am |
re: #425 oaktree
They probably did. And I bet that George Lucas wanted the farm in exchange for letting them, or at least let them without launching a barrage of law suits.
I like the Android operating system...and it plays YouTube videos.
| 427 |
shiplord kirel Thu, Jul 15, 2010 9:57:32am |
re: #336 Cato the Elder
Here's the ad from GOPtrust.com against the "mosque at Ground Zero":
[Video]Sickening.
YIKES! I had not seen the actual ad before. They treat it as fact that the mosque is a celebration of 9-11. There is enough imagery of terrorists and IEDs to make you think it will be a Taliban base camp, if not Osama's headquarters.
This is seriously inflammatory and factually inaccurate propaganda and the various media outlets are right to reject it.
| 428 |
lawhawk Thu, Jul 15, 2010 9:57:39am |
re: #425 oaktree
Lucasfilm already has their trademark all over the Droid phones used by Verizon, so what's another phone company paying fealty to Lucas.
| 429 |
Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Thu, Jul 15, 2010 9:58:34am |
re: #428 lawhawk
Lucasfilm already has their trademark all over the Droid phones used by Verizon, so what's another phone company paying fealty to Lucas.
I still don't get how he managed to get away with that.
| 430 |
NJDhockeyfan Thu, Jul 15, 2010 9:58:41am |
Sweden: 2 guilty in Muhammad artist's home attack
STOCKHOLM — A Swedish court convicted two brothers of trying to burn down the home of an artist whose Prophet Muhammad depiction infuriated some Muslims, and sentenced each of them Thursday to more than two years in prison.
The attempted arson attack was motivated by a controversial 2007 sketch by artist Lars Vilks that depicted Muhammad as a dog, the Helsingborg District Court said. The defendants, aged 19 and 21, were not identified by name due to Swedish privacy rules.
They denied the charges, saying neither had been at Vilks' house in Nyhamnslage, southern Sweden, on the night of the incident. It was not immediately clear if they would appeal.
Vilks was not at home during the May 14 attack, in which several windows were broken and flammable liquid sprayed into the kitchen and on the building's outer walls. Passers-by reported the vandalism to police, who then discovered plastic bottles filled with gasoline outside the house and a coat containing a key to one of the brothers' apartments. They also found evidence the brothers had used a home computer to search for Vilks' home address.
The court said the brothers' motive in trying to start the fire also included "putting at risk the life or health of Lars Vilks or another person."
The cartoonist has faced numerous threats, including from al-Qaida, and several attack attempts since the drawing was published more than a year after 12 Danish newspaper cartoons of the prophet sparked furious protests in Muslim countries. Images of Muhammad, even favorable ones, are considered blasphemous by many Muslims.
| 431 |
Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears Thu, Jul 15, 2010 9:58:54am |
re: #429 thedopefishlives
I still don't get how he managed to get away with that.
Force powers obviously!
| 432 |
NJDhockeyfan Thu, Jul 15, 2010 10:01:03am |
Iran: Pregnant woman to be stoned to death
Tehran Court rules 25-year-old woman convicted of adultery must be executed despite pregnancy. Her lawyer hope to have sentence 'commuted' to lashing
| 433 |
Cato the Elder Thu, Jul 15, 2010 10:02:08am |
re: #397 MandyManners
There are? I had no idea.
The quote is from the Ayatollah.
No offense intended.
The Ayatollah Khomeini, it may surprise you to learn, was and is not the sole arbiter of everything Islamic.
And I call bullshit on you not knowing that we have Muslim posters here.
And also on the "no offense intended" part. You know exactly what you're doing, as witness your torture avatar.
| 434 |
Fozzie Bear Thu, Jul 15, 2010 10:15:28am |
The Ayatollah represents mainline Islam like Pat Robertson represents mainline Christianity.
| 435 |
Stonemason Thu, Jul 15, 2010 10:17:03am |
re: #434 Fozzie Bear
The Ayatollah represents mainline Islam like Pat Robertson represents mainline Christianity.
good point
| 436 |
Ericus58 Thu, Jul 15, 2010 10:24:25am |
re: #434 Fozzie Bear
The Ayatollah represents mainline Islam like Pat Robertson represents mainline Christianity.
In the context of Iran, he does represent Islam.
Just sayin'.
| 437 |
Fozzie Bear Thu, Jul 15, 2010 10:29:26am |
re: #436 Ericus58
In the context of Iran, he does represent Islam.
Just sayin'.
How did I know this was coming?
No, he represents power. In the context of Iran, he is a despot. Outside the context of Iran, he is a despot. He's just a despot. Islam is nothing more or less than a tool with which to maintain power. He is neither well liked nor respected within Iran, though he is feared.
There have been plenty of Christian despots too, and they don't represent Christianity.
| 438 |
Spare O'Lake Thu, Jul 15, 2010 10:35:19am |
| 439 |
Ericus58 Thu, Jul 15, 2010 10:37:09am |
re: #437 Fozzie Bear
How did I know this was coming?
No, he represents power. In the context of Iran, he is a despot. Outside the context of Iran, he is a despot. He's just a despot. Islam is nothing more or less than a tool with which to maintain power. He is neither well liked nor respected within Iran, though he is feared.
There have been plenty of Christian despots too, and they don't represent Christianity.
C'mon Fozzie - don't play that game with me now.
Are you really trying to say that the Ayatollah is not the Religious Leader in Iran? That his interpretations of all things Islamic are not the law of the land?
My point is not baseless, and by posting it doesn't take away from any points made by other posters in regards to Islam as practiced throughout the world.
Context does mean something here.
| 440 |
Spare O'Lake Thu, Jul 15, 2010 10:39:00am |
re: #437 Fozzie Bear
How did I know this was coming?
No, he represents power. In the context of Iran, he is a despot. Outside the context of Iran, he is a despot. He's just a despot. Islam is nothing more or less than a tool with which to maintain power. He is neither well liked nor respected within Iran, though he is feared.
There have been plenty of Christian despots too, and they don't represent Christianity.
Iran is an Islamic State where the Islamic leadership rules the nation. Not comparable to America at all.
| 441 |
Obdicut Thu, Jul 15, 2010 10:43:05am |
re: #439 Ericus58
A) There are a lot of Ayatollahs. You mean Grand Ayatollah Ali Hoseyni Khamene.
B) There are a lot of Catholics who use birth control. They're still Catholics, even though the Catholic Church officially holds that they're sinful and transgressive by doing so.
C) His position is despotic religiously as much as it is despotic temporally.
| 442 |
Spare O'Lake Thu, Jul 15, 2010 10:43:08am |
re: #439 Ericus58
C'mon Fozzie - don't play that game with me now.
Are you really trying to say that the Ayatollah is not the Religious Leader in Iran? That his interpretations of all things Islamic are not the law of the land?My point is not baseless, and by posting it doesn't take away from any points made by other posters in regards to Islam as practiced throughout the world.
Context does mean something here.
The rabid obsession among some to conflate extremist US Christianity with extremist Islam overwhelms all sense of proportion.
| 443 |
Cato the Elder Thu, Jul 15, 2010 10:43:44am |
| 444 |
Cato the Elder Thu, Jul 15, 2010 10:45:44am |
re: #443 Cato the Elder
Mandy did.
I mean, she meant Khomeini. The quote about there being no fun in Islam is his.
| 445 |
Fozzie Bear Thu, Jul 15, 2010 10:46:01am |
re: #440 Spare O'Lake
Iran is an Islamic State where the Islamic leadership rules the nation. Not comparable to America at all.
I apologize for attempting to counter your foaming hatred of all things Islamic. But, the fact remains, a political leader, even if he uses religion as a tool, is still just a political leader.
re: #442 Spare O'Lake
The rabid obsession among some to conflate extremist US Christianity with extremist Islam overwhelms all sense of proportion.
Fundamentalists are, well, fundamentally the same wherever you go.
My original quote, which drew criticism, is:
re: #434 Fozzie Bear
The Ayatollah represents mainline Islam like Pat Robertson represents mainline Christianity.
I stand by that. Both use religion as a tool for political ends. Neither represent the center of their respective religions. Is that really so hard to accept?
| 446 |
Spare O'Lake Thu, Jul 15, 2010 10:51:08am |
re: #445 Fozzie Bear
I stand by that. Both use religion as a tool for political ends. Neither represent the center of their respective religions. Is that really so hard to accept?
America is not a theocracy, and as such the rantings of American Christian religious zealots is not nearly so troublesome as the state-sanctioned pronouncements of religious zealots in theocratic regimes.
It just ain't the same thing.
| 447 |
Obdicut Thu, Jul 15, 2010 10:51:46am |
re: #446 Spare O'Lake
Good thing he didn't say that they were equally troublesome, then.
| 448 |
Spare O'Lake Thu, Jul 15, 2010 11:00:18am |
re: #447 Obdicut
I'm sure he appreciates your clarification.
I know I did.
Thanks.
| 449 |
Fozzie Bear Thu, Jul 15, 2010 11:01:28am |
Interesting that things I never said require clarification.
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Texas County at Center of Border Fight Is Overwhelmed by Migrant Deaths EAGLE PASS, Tex. - The undertaker lighted a cigarette and held it between his latex-gloved fingers as he stood over the bloated body bag lying in the bed of his battered pickup truck. The woman had been fished out ... Cheechako
