Neo-Nazi Leads Militia Patrols in Arizona

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Heavily armed neo-Nazis roaming the Arizona desert looking for “narco-terrorists.” What could possibly go wrong?

Jason “J.T.” Ready is taking matters into his own hands, declaring war on “narco-terrorists” and keeping an eye out for illegal immigrants. So far, he says his patrols have only found a few border crossers who were given water and handed over to the Border Patrol. Once, they also found a decaying body in a wash, and alerted authorities.

But local law enforcement are nervous given that Ready’s group is heavily armed and identifies with the National Socialist Movement, an organization that believes only non-Jewish, white heterosexuals should be American citizens and that everyone who isn’t white should leave the country “peacefully or by force.” …

He and his friends are outfitted with military fatigues, body armor and gas masks, and carry assault rifles. Ready takes offense at the term “neo-Nazi,” but admits he identifies with the National Socialist Movement.

“These are explicit Nazis,” said Mark Potok of the Southern Poverty Law Center’s Intelligence Project. “These are people who wear swastikas on their sleeves.”

Here’s some more background information on “J.T.” Ready.

A member of the Minuteman Civil Defense Corps as well as the founder of the prominent, Arizona-based nativist extremist organization Americans First, Jason “J.T.” Ready advocates deadly force to stop Mexicans from crossing the U.S. border illegally. “I firmly believe in having a minefield across the border,” he says in a widely distributed video. “This is 100% effective.”

The past president of the Mesa Community College Republican Club and current Maricopa County Republican precinct committeeman, Ready is deeply involved in mainstream conservative politics. He’s also an outright neo-Nazi. Ready spoke at a rally put on by the neo-Nazi National Socialist Movement in Omaha, Neb., last September (where he was billed as an “Arizona Republican activist”) and appeared at the neo-Nazi National Vanguard’s “Winterfest” gathering in Phoenix last December. He regularly posts to white nationalist online forums, including NewSaxon, where last December he offered this charming observation on the root causes of illegal immigration: “The truth is that negroids screw monkeys and rape babies in afreaka [sic]. Then stupid white man who licks kosher jew rear lets negroids in. … Stop Negroid immigration and integration now!!! Nature will take care of the rest.”

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317 comments
1 jamesfirecat  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:05:39am

“National Socialist Movement”

DID YOU HERE THAT EVERYBODY? THE SOCIALISTS ARE IN CONTROL OF THE BORDER!

2 Randall Gross  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:07:47am

Joe Apaio was also running around the same area this week with a .50 cal machine gun, grandstanding against narco terror or somefin..

These are not the crazies that I want watching things near me, glad I do not live in AZ.

3 [deleted]  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:08:12am
4 Kragar  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:08:13am

Judging from previous nazi history, how long before they stage a border incident so they can claim they’re the victims?

5 Professional Poo Flinger  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:08:52am

They want to get rid of First Nations people?

Those damn invading illegal immigrants and those damn indigenous people. Who needs them. They have no right to be here. We white folks are the bestest.

6 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:09:01am

And, check out their URL: nsm88.

Gee, Ready. What’s that “88” stand for?

7 jamesfirecat  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:09:04am

Wow the hits keep on coming…

“He and his friends are outfitted with military fatigues, body armor and gas masks”

Really? Gas Masks? Do these people not get that its more or less physically impossible to look like a nice person while holding a gun and wearing a gas mask?

[Link: tvtropes.org…]

8 Kragar  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:09:38am

re: #6 MandyManners

And, check out their URL: nsm88.

Gee, Ready. What’s that “88” stand for?

Average IQ
//

9 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:09:43am

Oops. Sorry, Charles.

10 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:11:03am

Ready doesn’t like to be called a “Neo-Nazi” yet his group’s principles are as Nazi as they come.

11 soap_man  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:11:19am
Jason “J.T.” Ready is taking matters into his own hands

You are not Batman, sir. You are just some nut with a gun.

12 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:12:20am

re: #9 MandyManners

Oops. Sorry, Charles.

Way to drag down the team.
/

13 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:13:05am

I blame the brown people.
/

14 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:13:32am

They demand space to settle and feed their “people” and surplus pppulation.

Lebensraum, anyone?

15 Kragar  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:15:20am

re: #10 MandyManners

Ready doesn’t like to be called a “Neo-Nazi” yet his group’s principles are as Nazi as they come.

Perhaps if we drop the neo he would be happy.

16 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:16:35am

They’re against abortion and euthenasia except for rape, incest, race-mixing, or mental retardation.

“Race-mixing”? Oh, the horror!

17 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:17:09am

re: #15 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Perhaps if we drop the neo he would be happy.

LOL! You could be right.

18 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:18:24am

re: #15 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Perhaps if we drop the neo he would be happy.

Their flag has a big ol’ swastika smack-dab in the middle.

19 Kragar  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:18:29am

re: #16 MandyManners

They’re against abortion and euthenasia except for rape, incest, race-mixing, or mental retardation.

“Race-mixing”? Oh, the horror!

In other words, they got turned down by the hot latina and asian chicks and are bitter about it.

20 Professional Poo Flinger  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:18:47am

re: #16 MandyManners

They’re against abortion and euthenasia except for rape, incest, race-mixing, or mental retardation.

“Race-mixing”? Oh, the horror!

Race-mixing? How do they define ‘race’?

21 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:19:07am

re: #16 MandyManners

They’re against abortion and euthenasia except for rape, incest, race-mixing, or mental retardation.

“Race-mixing”? Oh, the horror!

I would date any woman as long as she is hot, smart and pretty. And not redundant. Wait, what?
/

22 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:19:37am

re: #16 MandyManners

They’re against abortion and euthenasia except for rape, incest, race-mixing, or mental retardation.

“Race-mixing”? Oh, the horror!

This is just my personal opinion, but mixed raced children tend to be better looking. Can you say, “Halle Berry?”

23 jamesfirecat  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:19:51am

re: #22 EmmmieG

This is just my personal opinion, but mixed raced children tend to be better looking. Can you say, “Halle Berry?”

Jessica Alba?

24 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:19:53am

re: #20 b_sharp

Race-mixing? How do they define ‘race’?

Beats me. Only pure whites are allowed.

25 Kragar  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:21:10am

Next on the Agenda, annexing the Sudetanland.

26 Kragar  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:22:07am

re: #24 MandyManners

Beats me. Only pure whites are allowed.

Pure white…i.e. got their butts conquered by the Romans 2000 years ago

27 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:22:10am

I would like to meet a black/Chinese/Latino. I’ll never starve.

28 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:22:34am

re: #24 MandyManners

Beats me. Only pure whites are allowed.

How white does white have to be? Since visual skin color is the picking point here, do my two fair, blue eyed, dark blonde sons get in and my not-so-fair self with brown eyes and dark brown hair stay out along with the three kids with my coloring?

Is there going to be a copy paper test here? (I fail.)

29 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:22:36am

So, if you have an African-American or Jewish great-grandparent, you’re out?

How did the Nuremberg Laws deal with such a question?

30 jamesfirecat  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:22:47am

re: #25 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Next on the Agenda, annexing the Sudetanland.

POLAND! POLAND!

31 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:23:02am

re: #25 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Next on the Agenda, annexing the Sudetanland.


Absolutely. Just as soon as those drop-outs from the public school system figure out where that is on a map.

32 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:23:20am

Man, this is nasty shit.

33 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:23:24am

re: #30 jamesfirecat

POLAND! POLAND!

I’m half Polish. Love them women.

34 Professional Poo Flinger  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:24:06am

re: #24 MandyManners

Beats me. Only pure whites are allowed.

But ‘white’ isn’t a race. Caucasian, which includes everyone from the middle east, and Indians (from India), is.

35 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:24:44am

re: #26 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Pure white…i.e. got their butts conquered by the Romans 2000 years ago


I don’t think the Romans got further than England. The far-north Vikings remained screaming heathen for some time.

36 Kronocide  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:25:02am

“The truth is that negroids screw monkeys and rape babies in afreaka [sic]. Then stupid white man who licks kosher jew rear lets negroids in. … Stop Negroid immigration and integration now!!! Nature will take care of the rest.”

JT, your homeboy Hitler was a Jew. Deal.

37 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:25:09am

re: #34 b_sharp

But ‘white’ isn’t a race. Caucasian, which includes everyone from the middle east, and Indians (from India), is.

I thought it was called honkey or cracker?
/

38 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:25:13am

And, you’re fucked if you have investments ‘cause money earned by not working will be prohibited. They call it “breaking of interest slavery.”

39 Kragar  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:26:00am

re: #35 EmmmieG

I don’t think the Romans got further than England. The far-north Vikings remained screaming heathen for some time.

Yeah, but got to look at the polluted bloodlines they eventually ended up with from the rape and pillage.

40 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:26:14am

Wanna know which race I hate? Asshole. Is that a race?

41 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:26:41am

re: #36 BigPapa

Schicklegruber?

42 Kragar  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:26:57am

re: #40 Cannadian Club Akbar

Wanna know which race I hate? Asshole. Is that a race?

Two things I can’t stand, people who are intolerant of other peoples culture and the Dutch.

43 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:27:14am

re: #41 MandyManners
LOL

44 Kragar  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:27:23am

re: #41 MandyManners

Schicklegruber?

ITS TWUE! ITS TWUE!

45 Professional Poo Flinger  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:27:23am

re: #40 Cannadian Club Akbar

Wanna know which race I hate? Asshole. Is that a race?

I think they are way too slow to be in a race.

46 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:27:23am

re: #38 MandyManners

And, you’re fucked if you have investments ‘cause money earned by not working will be prohibited. They call it “breaking of interest slavery.”

Right. Screw the need for factories. What was that you said? Your washing machine broke down? Here’s a washboard. I hope you have a covered porch, because your pure white skin is going to get burned while you spend all afternoon scrubbing your clothes clean. The washing machine factory was shut down for lack of working capital.

47 What, me worry?  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:27:43am

re: #36 BigPapa

“The truth is that negroids screw monkeys and rape babies in afreaka [sic]. Then stupid white man who licks kosher jew rear lets negroids in. … Stop Negroid immigration and integration now!!! Nature will take care of the rest.”

JT, your homeboy Hitler was a Jew. Deal.

Say wha??

48 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:27:58am

re: #42 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Two things I can’t stand, people who are intolerant of other peoples culture and the Dutch.

The Dutch did lose the World Cup. Just sayin’…

49 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:28:13am

re: #46 EmmmieG

Right. Screw the need for factories. What was that you said? Your washing machine broke down? Here’s a washboard. I hope you have a covered porch, because your pure white skin is going to get burned while you spend all afternoon scrubbing your clothes clean. The washing machine factory was shut down for lack of working capital.

Back to the Stone Ages.

50 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:29:02am

re: #46 EmmmieG

Right. Screw the need for factories. What was that you said? Your washing machine broke down? Here’s a washboard. I hope you have a covered porch, because your pure white skin is going to get burned while you spend all afternoon scrubbing your clothes clean. The washing machine factory was shut down for lack of working capital.

They’ll nationalize all corporations.

51 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:29:22am

Proud mixed Nationality Honkey right here.
/well, that was racist…

52 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:29:36am

re: #49 MandyManners

Back to the Stone Ages.


I am hesitant to post this. It might make some yearn for the days of stone…

53 Professional Poo Flinger  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:29:41am

re: #49 MandyManners

Back to the Stone Ages.

Their mental processes are certainly stuck back in their ancestor’s stone age.

54 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:29:52am

re: #50 MandyManners

They’ll nationalize all corporations.

That worked so well for the Russians.

55 jamesfirecat  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:30:10am

re: #42 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Two things I can’t stand, people who are intolerant of other peoples culture and the Dutch.

Windmill watching, Rembrandt loving, prostitute tolerating bastards!

(From deleted scene that wasn’t in the movie)

56 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:30:57am

re: #55 jamesfirecat

Windmill watching, Rembrandt loving, prostitute tolerating bastards!

(From deleted scene that wasn’t in the movie)

And hash. Don’t forget the hash.:)

57 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:31:12am

And, they’ll impose land “reform” in which the state will confiscate without renumeration any land it wants. For the common good, of course. And, they’ll have communes!

Nazi hippies?

58 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:31:33am

Buncha’ fucking morons.

59 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:32:28am

re: #57 MandyManners

One word: Peyote.

60 HoosierHoops  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:32:44am

re: #38 MandyManners

And, you’re fucked if you have investments ‘cause money earned by not working will be prohibited. They call it “breaking of interest slavery.”

I have never invested in anything in my life…I recall as a kid my dad losing 20000 dollars in the market on Bendix or something…
I have never invested in anything…Since i was a young worker in the Government to a white Collar worker now…I have always steered 10% of my pay to a savings account.. I always have lived 10% short of pay…
I do not have a 401k.. Can you believe it? I don’t effen care about a 401k..

61 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:33:48am

re: #60 HoosierHoops

Can I borrow your 401K?
/

62 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:34:51am

re: #52 EmmmieG

re: #53 b_sharp

I wish there were some way to send them back to the Stone Ages. Or, Germany on May 7, 1945.

63 usufruct  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:34:53am

Apparently, his ‘colleagues’, all National Socialists, are deeply offended by being called racists and claims they are actually humanitarians.

Stephen Lemons of Phoenix New Times has been doing an excellent job keeping tabs on this nitwit and his ties to well known republicans in the state like SB1070 author Russell Pearce (Pictured here all buddy-buddy)

64 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:35:37am

re: #60 HoosierHoops

I have never invested in anything in my life…I recall as a kid my dad losing 20000 dollars in the market on Bendix or something…
I have never invested in anything…Since i was a young worker in the Government to a white Collar worker now…I have always steered 10% of my pay to a savings account.. I always have lived 10% short of pay…
I do not have a 401k.. Can you believe it? I don’t effen care about a 401k..

But, no one forced you to do that, right?

65 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:36:39am

re: #63 usufruct

Apparently, his ‘colleagues’, all National Socialists, are deeply offended by being called racists and claims they are actually humanitarians.

Stephen Lemons of Phoenix New Times has been doing an excellent job keeping tabs on this nitwit and his ties to well known republicans in the state like SB1070 author Russell Pearce (Pictured here all buddy-buddy)

Fucking moron needs to re-read his group’s 25 points.

66 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:36:47am

re: #62 MandyManners

re: #53 b_sharp

I wish there were some way to send them back to the Stone Ages. Or, Germany on May 7, 1945.

Actually, you want to send them to Germany from about 1844 to 1850. It was miserable (especially East Germany). Starvation, ruins, chaos…it’s a good lesson about why you don’t start wars for national pride.

67 SpaceJesus  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:37:07am

member of the republican club? you don’t say.

68 BryanS  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:37:24am

re: #63 usufruct

Apparently, his ‘colleagues’, all National Socialists, are deeply offended by being called racists and claims they are actually humanitarians.

Stephen Lemons of Phoenix New Times has been doing an excellent job keeping tabs on this nitwit and his ties to well known republicans in the state like SB1070 author Russell Pearce (Pictured here all buddy-buddy)

Yeah, they’re humanitarians alright. Just like slave owners were humanitarians. Same argument.

69 HoosierHoops  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:38:30am

re: #64 MandyManners

But, no one forced you to do that, right?

No..I have always steered 10% of my pay to a savings account..It is a simple plan and I am a simple man…

70 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:39:39am

I have to go to the store. BBIAB.

71 The Shadow Do  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:41:13am

Just to prove that this conservative is not a Nazi I am glad to report that a gang of Mexicans just showed up to mow my lawn. Not a word of English among them but I ain’t asking for credentials. It is, after all, 100F in Dallas and the temperature is arisin. Doing the work this American will not do.

$25 bucks. I am now for open borders, maybe I can drive that price down to $20?

72 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:43:18am

re: #71 The Shadow Do

Just to prove that this conservative is not a Nazi I am glad to report that a gang of Mexicans just showed up to mow my lawn. Not a word of English among them but I ain’t asking for credentials. It is, after all, 100F in Dallas and the temperature is arisin. Doing the work this American will not do.

$25 bucks. I am now for open borders, maybe I can drive that price down to $20?

What? You are for illegal immigration in order to not pay the prevailing wage for physical labor in the heat and humidity of Dallas?

73 The Shadow Do  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:44:08am

re: #72 MandyManners

What? You are for illegal immigration in order to not pay the prevailing wage for physical labor in the heat and humidity of Dallas?

Crass ain’t it?

74 Cato the Elder  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:45:04am

I know!

Let’s combine this neat Nazi militia thang with Boner’s idea of shutting down all federal regulations for a year, and see what happens!

Check out my post on that subject from the last thread…

75 webevintage  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:46:52am

re: #71 The Shadow Do

Just to prove that this conservative is not a Nazi I am glad to report that a gang of Mexicans just showed up to mow my lawn. Not a word of English among them but I ain’t asking for credentials. It is, after all, 100F in Dallas and the temperature is arisin. Doing the work this American will not do.

$25 bucks. I am now for open borders, maybe I can drive that price down to $20?


I had two guys come by the other day and ask if I wanted lawn work done.
I said “I have a teenage slave for that, thanks.”….

76 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:46:53am

I question how valid it is to label themselves Nazi. Does this sound like a real Nazi?

So far, he says his patrols have only found a few border crossers who were given water and handed over to the Border Patrol. Once, they also found a decaying body in a wash, and alerted authorities.

Weekend Nazis.

77 The Shadow Do  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:47:47am

re: #75 webevintage

I had two guys come by the other day and ask if I wanted lawn work done.
I said “I have a teenage slave for that, thanks.”…

These guys undercut the neighbor kid by $5.

78 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:47:59am

re: #76 Walter L. Newton

I question how valid it is to label themselves Nazi. Does this sound like a real Nazi?


Weekend Nazis.

Visit their site and check out their flag and their 25 Points. They’re the real deal.

79 Cato the Elder  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:48:12am

Gas masks?

Why do the Nazis need gas masks?

Hmmm…

80 Skeetghazi  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:48:22am

re: #76 Walter L. Newton

I question how valid it is to label themselves Nazi. Does this sound like a real Nazi?

Weekend Nazis.

No. Full time.

Image: jt5.jpg

81 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:48:30am

re: #78 MandyManners

Visit their site and check out their flag and their 25 Points. They’re the real deal.

Mandy… it was sarcasm.

82 BryanS  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:48:31am

re: #71 The Shadow Do

Just to prove that this conservative is not a Nazi I am glad to report that a gang of Mexicans just showed up to mow my lawn. Not a word of English among them but I ain’t asking for credentials. It is, after all, 100F in Dallas and the temperature is arisin. Doing the work this American will not do.

$25 bucks. I am now for open borders, maybe I can drive that price down to $20?

I doubt what you paid actually reflects the cost of that labor. People can’t live on cutting grass at $25 per lawn. They’ll rely on social services to fill the gap.

One answer is more legal immigration, so the immigrants don’t have to work for below market wages.

83 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:48:38am

re: #79 Cato the Elder

Gas masks?

Why do the Nazis need gas masks?

Hmmm…

They’re gonna’ use pepper-spray?

84 The Shadow Do  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:48:54am

re: #77 The Shadow Do

These guys undercut the neighbor kid by $5.

And they won’t sue me if they cut a toe off or some such.

85 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:48:57am

re: #81 Walter L. Newton

Mandy… it was sarcasm.

Oopsie. Skull’s a bit thick today.

86 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:49:00am

OT: Here’s an interesting site….
I Write Like
You cut and paste a sample of your writing and it magically tells you which author you write like. I pasted this from one of my pages….

Nobody in the comments is outraged. Hot Air linked to it without any commenters objecting. There will continue to be debate within Republican circles for a little while but I think it’s clear that the Republicans have decided in favor of Ron Paul or Pat Buchanan’s isolationism over Bush’s adventurism. Even discussion of Iraq as a failure is now mainstream among conservatives.

Conspiracy theories, Birch Society, racism, isolationism, Austrian economics, Gold standard, anti-government militias, and even Alex Jones are all now mainstream and acceptable within the right wing.

I don’t think there’s any doubt left that the Paulians have managed to completely take over the Republican party. Those of us who started to notice this a while back caught a lot of shit here on LGF over the prediction that this could possibly happen. I’m as shocked as anybody that they really pulled it off.

Game Over.


I write like Kurt Vonnegut!
/lol

87 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:49:13am

re: #80 Stanley Sea

No. Full time.

Image: jt5.jpg

Stanley… it was sarcasm.

88 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:49:13am

re: #34 b_sharp

But ‘white’ isn’t a race. Caucasian, which includes everyone from the middle east, and Indians (from India), is.

Don’t confuse these guys with actual facts.

I still recall with immense disgust, a case of a missing little girl here in California. The mother told the press that among the many disturbing and stupid phone calls they got from strangers was one from a local white supremacy group that wanted to know what ‘white’ meant on the child’s description, because the Irish and Italians sometimes think they’re white, mistakenly.

That pretty much gives you the measure of people like this.

89 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:50:32am

re: #88 SanFranciscoZionist

Don’t confuse these guys with actual facts.

I still recall with immense disgust, a case of a missing little girl here in California. The mother told the press that among the many disturbing and stupid phone calls they got from strangers was one from a local white supremacy group that wanted to know what ‘white’ meant on the child’s description, because the Irish and Italians sometimes think they’re white, mistakenly.

That pretty much gives you the measure of people like this.

What? I thought there were Irish supporters of Hitler during WWII. And, what about Mussolini?

90 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:50:34am

re: #35 EmmmieG

I don’t think the Romans got further than England. The far-north Vikings remained screaming heathen for some time.

The Romans stopped short of Scotland, although there was undoubtedly some back and forth.

Ireland was thought to be totally untouched by Roman contact for a long time, but they’ve found evidence of a Roman trading post in recent years.

91 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:51:18am

re: #38 MandyManners

And, you’re fucked if you have investments ‘cause money earned by not working will be prohibited. They call it “breaking of interest slavery.”

Wow. They’re gonna ban usury. Way to go, insane Nazi people.

92 webevintage  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:51:42am

re: #86 Killgore Trout


I write like Kurt Vonnegut!
/lol

David Foster Wallace

That makes me sad….

93 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:52:42am

re: #92 webevintage

David Foster Wallace

That makes me sad…

I think it just generates random results. just type in random letters and it still tells you that you write like someone famous.

94 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:52:57am

They demand “ruthless prosecution” of murderers, rapists, pedophiles, drug dealers, usurers, profiteers, race traitors, etc.,

Since “usurer” is code for “Jew”, they are equating Jews with murderers and pedophiles.

95 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:53:35am

re: #91 SanFranciscoZionist

Wow. They’re gonna ban usury. Way to go, insane Nazi people.

There’s a sane kind of Nazi?

96 Cato the Elder  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:54:03am

re: #34 b_sharp

But ‘white’ isn’t a race. Caucasian, which includes everyone from the middle east, and Indians (from India), is.

“Caucasian” is a much of a bullshit catch-all term as “black”. Neither one is a “race” in any scientific sense of the term. In fact, despite differences in phenotype, there is no scientifically acceptable use of the term as applied to humans.

97 webevintage  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:55:59am

re: #93 Killgore Trout

I think it just generates random results. just type in random letters and it still tells you that you write like someone famous.

Using Queen lyrics I now write like the twilight twit….

(and I was sad about the DFW because I really liked and he killed himself a few years ago)

98 HoosierHoops  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:56:41am

re: #96 Cato the Elder

“Caucasian” is a much of a bullshit catch-all term as “black”. Neither one is a “race” in any scientific sense of the term. In fact, despite differences in phenotype, there is no scientifically acceptable use of the term as applied to humans.

WTF?
I’m not following you Cato

99 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:57:19am

re: #79 Cato the Elder

Gas masks?

Why do the Nazis need gas masks?

Hmmm…

I was sort of wondering that myself. Are they planning to try to gas border crossers, or do they think the narcos may try to gas them?

100 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:58:15am

They wanna’ give “pay raises” to mothers who give birth to “healthy” babies.

101 webevintage  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:59:06am

re: #79 Cato the Elder

Gas masks?

Why do the Nazis need gas masks?

Hmmm…

Shut up!
They JUST DO!
/

102 Professional Poo Flinger  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:59:55am

re: #96 Cato the Elder

“Caucasian” is a much of a bullshit catch-all term as “black”. Neither one is a “race” in any scientific sense of the term. In fact, despite differences in phenotype, there is no scientifically acceptable use of the term as applied to humans.

I agree with you 100%

There is only one species of Homo (although there should be 3 species of Pan, including homo) and any subdivision within that is completely arbitrary and is currently based on age old prejudices instead of genotype.

103 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 12:00:07pm

re: #89 MandyManners

What? I thought there were Irish supporters of Hitler during WWII. And, what about Mussolini?

Well, there were Indian supporters of Hitler, but these dudes probably don’t think they’re white either.

In general, I find that these dudes go by a very broad definition of ‘white’ these days, in part because prejudice against Celts is pretty much dead in the States, and because it gives them a wider net to cast.

Dunno what this group’s problem was, aside from festering evil.

104 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 12:02:09pm

They just looove ShortShit.

105 Professional Poo Flinger  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 12:02:24pm

re: #98 HoosierHoops

WTF?
I’m not following you Cato

Once you get below arbitrary divisions based on physical traits (phenotype) it is impossible to create logical divisions based on genotype. There are no consistent genotypic properties to base a division on.

106 webevintage  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 12:03:06pm

Hello Kitty Sushi Maker:
[Link: www.random-good-stuff.com…]

via Jezebel

107 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 12:03:22pm

re: #103 SanFranciscoZionist

Well, there were Indian supporters of Hitler, but these dudes probably don’t think they’re white either.

In general, I find that these dudes go by a very broad definition of ‘white’ these days, in part because prejudice against Celts is pretty much dead in the States, and because it gives them a wider net to cast.

Dunno what this group’s problem was, aside from festering evil.

I thought those Irish supported Hitler because he opposed the British.

108 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 12:03:35pm

re: #100 MandyManners

They wanna’ give “pay raises” to mothers who give birth to “healthy” babies.

Well, that’s straight out of Hitler’s playbook. Women got medals for birthing large numbers of healthy German babies.

The Polish girls forced to have children by SS officers to produce yet more racially appropriate children, not so much.

These people have done at least some reading. Hopefully, a narco will shoot some of them, and the rest will decide to take up a new hobby.

109 Cato the Elder  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 12:04:51pm

re: #98 HoosierHoops

WTF?
I’m not following you Cato

There is actually no such thing as “race” in human terms.

110 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 12:05:21pm

re: #107 MandyManners

I thought those Irish supported Hitler because he opposed the British.

Same with the Indians. At the same time, a lot of Irish men signed up with the British armed forces as volunteers, because they didn’t want to sit out the war over de Valera’s crap politics.

111 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 12:05:29pm

re: #105 b_sharp

Once you get below arbitrary divisions based on physical traits (phenotype) it is impossible to create logical divisions based on genotype. There are no consistent genotypic properties to base a division on.

I’m reminded of the M*A*S*H episode in which a bigot demanded only “white” blood. Hawkeye and B.J. (or, was it Trapper?) painted his skin with iodine while he was out and all kinds of hillarity ensued.

112 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 12:06:33pm

re: #108 SanFranciscoZionist

Well, that’s straight out of Hitler’s playbook. Women got medals for birthing large numbers of healthy German babies.

The Polish girls forced to have children by SS officers to produce yet more racially appropriate children, not so much.

These people have done at least some reading. Hopefully, a narco will shoot some of them, and the rest will decide to take up a new hobby.

Their 25 Points are straight out of Hitler’s playbook.

113 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 12:07:23pm

I feel the need for a shower with 20-mule-team Borax.

114 Cato the Elder  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 12:08:20pm

re: #99 SanFranciscoZionist

I was sort of wondering that myself. Are they planning to try to gas border crossers, or do they think the narcos may try to gas them?

Maybe they’re afraid of the narcos attackin’ them with giant blazin’ spliffs the size of torches and makin’ them all giggly and high and shit…

115 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 12:09:49pm

re: #108 SanFranciscoZionist

I posted above that their URL has an “88” in it.

116 Professional Poo Flinger  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 12:11:19pm

re: #109 Cato the Elder

There is actually no such thing as “race” in human terms.

‘Race’ is equivalent to ‘breed’ in dogs (Canus familiaris) without the sharp divisions in appearance. It is useless as a scientific description of humans. Its only purpose now is as a ‘tribal’ tool to create social divisions.

117 HoosierHoops  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 12:11:23pm

re: #109 Cato the Elder

There is actually no such thing as “race” in human terms.

Really..Cause I’d bet there are thousands if not Millions of dead Black people that would take issue with you. It’s all about race Cato…It always was…
The shame of humanity

118 webevintage  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 12:11:51pm

Nazis.
They suck.

119 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 12:13:15pm

re: #112 MandyManners

Their 25 Points are straight out of Hitler’s playbook.

Well, at least if they’re wearing gas masks, they’re unlikely to be mistaken for the border patrol by crossers in trouble, and approached.

120 Cato the Elder  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 12:14:46pm

re: #116 b_sharp

‘Race’ is equivalent to ‘breed’ in dogs (Canus familiaris) without the sharp divisions in appearance. It is useless as a scientific description of humans. Its only purpose now is as a ‘tribal’ tool to create social divisions.

Indeed. The very term “Caucasian” was made up during the height of the 19th/early 20th-century craze for pseudoscientific “race” and “eugenics” studies. All thoroughly discredited and meaningless.

re: #117 HoosierHoops

Really..Cause I’d bet there are thousands if not Millions of dead Black people that would take issue with you. It’s all about race Cato…It always was…
The shame of humanity

The point is there is no science whatsoever behind our shameful human impulse to divide ourselves into “races”. “Race” is itself a racist notion.

122 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 12:16:32pm

re: #119 SanFranciscoZionist

Well, at least if they’re wearing gas masks, they’re unlikely to be mistaken for the border patrol by crossers in trouble, and approached.

I hope they sweat buckets wearing those damn things.

123 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 12:19:27pm
124 Professional Poo Flinger  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 12:21:10pm

re: #117 HoosierHoops

Really..Cause I’d bet there are thousands if not Millions of dead Black people that would take issue with you. It’s all about race Cato…It always was…
The shame of humanity

The point is Hoops, that all idea of race is arbitrary and meaningless in a scientific sense. In a social context, our tendency to be tribal, to create groups we belong to and groups we do not belong to that we instinctively vilify, pervades our interactions, including convincing us that the ‘others’ need to be utimately removed for our own safety and well being. Genocides are borne of this, very Chimp like, tribal group creation.

The reality of socially based races does not mean there are any real physical races in an objective sense, and this is borne out by the facile way we include and exclude groups of people in our perception of in-group and out-group.

125 BryanS  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 12:21:59pm

re: #120 Cato the Elder

The point is there is no science whatsoever behind our shameful human impulse to divide ourselves into “races”. “Race” is itself a racist notion.

Agreed. So when some on the left “celebrate diversity” by emphasizing the heritage/pride of particular groups of people, are they celebrating culture or “race”? A group called La Raza—are they dividing people by “race”?

126 Professional Poo Flinger  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 12:22:43pm

re: #120 Cato the Elder

The point is there is no science whatsoever behind our shameful human impulse to divide ourselves into “races”. “Race” is itself a racist notion.

Shit, Cato, I’m finding myself agreeing with you more than disagreeing with you lately. What’s up with that? ;-)

127 Cato the Elder  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 12:26:19pm

More here:

Caucasian |kôˈkā zh ən|
adjective
1 often offensive of or relating to one of the traditional divisions of humankind, covering a broad group of peoples from Europe, western Asia, and parts of India and North Africa. [ORIGIN: so named because the German physiologist Blumenbach believed that it originated in the Caucasus region of southeastern Europe.]

[in other words, it was originally a synonym for “Aryan”]

[…]

USAGE In the racial classification as developed by anthropologists in the 19th century, Caucasian (or Caucasoid) included peoples whose skin color ranged from light (in northern Europe) to dark (in parts of North Africa and India). Although the classification is outdated and the categories are now not generally accepted as scientific ( see usage at Australoid and Mongoloid ), the term Caucasian has acquired a more restricted meaning. It is now used, esp. in the U.S., as a synonym for ‘white or of European origin,’ as in the following citation: : the police are looking for a Caucasian male in his forties.

Is it a problem that the US is almost alone in maintaining a discredited proto-Nazi racialist term for “white”? I think so, yes.

128 wrenchwench  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 12:26:24pm

re: #125 BryanS

A group called La Raza—are they dividing people by “race”?

No.

Published in 1925, La Raza Cósmica (The Cosmic Race) is an essay written by late Mexican philosopher, secretary of education, and 1929 presidential candidate, José Vasconcelos to express the ideology of a future “fifth race” in the Americas; an agglomeration of all the races in the world with no respect to color or number to erect a new civilization: Universópolis.
129 Cato the Elder  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 12:26:45pm

re: #126 b_sharp

Shit, Cato, I’m finding myself agreeing with you more than disagreeing with you lately. What’s up with that? ;-)

One or both of us is not drinking enough.

130 zora  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 12:26:54pm

Congressman’s Immigration Remarks Prompt Calls for Death, Torture

[Link: www.splcenter.org…]

Posters on neo-Nazi forums are publicly calling for the torture and murder of Congressman Pete Stark (D-Calif.) over comments he made on June 26 during a Fremont, Calif., town hall meeting. The Youtube video of the event has gone viral among racist and anti-immigration groups.

131 Professional Poo Flinger  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 12:27:14pm

re: #125 BryanS

Agreed. So when some on the left “celebrate diversity” by emphasizing the heritage/pride of particular groups of people, are they celebrating culture or “race”? A group called La Raza—are they dividing people by “race”?

Culture does not depend on an arbitrary phenotypic division, there is no interdependency. All differences are cultural. We as humans, in our instinctual desire to see patterns, simply assign physical characteristics to specific groups and then imprint our perception of a culture on that group.

132 Professional Poo Flinger  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 12:29:16pm

re: #125 BryanS

Agreed. So when some on the left “celebrate diversity” by emphasizing the heritage/pride of particular groups of people, are they celebrating culture or “race”? A group called La Raza—are they dividing people by “race”?

Bryan, we are discussing two things here, a real objective grouping and an arbitrary social grouping. Cato and I are talking objective, you are talking subjective.

Belief reality.

133 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 12:29:58pm

From the Wiki page on the NSM:

In January 2009, the group sponsored a half-mile section of U.S. Highway 160 outside of Springfield, Missouri, as part of the Adopt-A-Highway Trash Cleanup program.[1] The highway was later renamed the “Rabbi Abraham Joshua Heschel Memorial Highway” by the state legislature.

ROFLMAO!

134 Professional Poo Flinger  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 12:30:41pm

re: #129 Cato the Elder

One or both of us is not drinking enough.

Alcohol gives me severe stomach pains, so its all up to you friend.

135 Professional Poo Flinger  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 12:32:10pm

re: #132 b_sharp

Bryan, we are discussing two things here, a real objective grouping and an arbitrary social grouping. Cato and I are talking objective, you are talking subjective.

Belief reality.

That should be ‘Belief does not equal reality’

136 BryanS  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 12:36:40pm

re: #128 wrenchwench

[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]

Your reference may be the origin of the use of the phrase, but clearly human nature got in the way and started using it for it’s literal meaning.

137 Gus  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 12:37:03pm

re: #125 BryanS

Agreed. So when some on the left “celebrate diversity” by emphasizing the heritage/pride of particular groups of people, are they celebrating culture or “race”? A group called La Raza—are they dividing people by “race”?

Which group “La Raza”? There are several. If you’re thinking about National Council of La Raza you’re wrong. Unless you want to also include other groups like Asian American societies, etc.

138 wrenchwench  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 12:37:43pm

re: #136 BryanS

[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]

Your reference may be the origin of the use of the phrase, but clearly human nature got in the way and started using it for it’s literal meaning.

“Clearly” to whom? You? Not me.

139 Gus  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 12:37:53pm

Testing.

140 Gus  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 12:38:57pm

Something’s bunked up with the code on this page. It takes me to the top of the page when I post. Also had the “login” button greyed out before.

141 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 12:39:54pm

Speaking of race, from the SPLC article about the 40 to Watch:

Since last year, he has also been the president of the infamous Pioneer Fund*, which has for decades funded dubious studies linking race to characteristics like criminality, sexuality and intelligence and promoting eugenics, the “science” of creating better humans through selective breeding.

Born in Bournemouth, England, Rushton received a Ph.D. in social psychology from the London School of Economics and Political Science and has taught psychology at the University of Western Ontario in Canada since 1977.

Although his training is unrelated to biology or genetics, Rushton has not hesitated to spread his opinions far and wide, especially through his major published work, Race, Evolution and Behavior. The book makes such claims as an inverse relationship between penis and brain size

I bet Rushton has a really, really small one.

142 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 12:40:30pm

re: #139 Gus 802

Testing.

I have my No. 2!

143 Cato the Elder  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 12:41:16pm

Can Asian people reliably tell the difference, by facial features alone, among the various Asian “races”? That is, if you do a photo lineup of a Korean, a Chinese, a Japanese, a Thai, a Vietnamese, etc., can someone from that part of the world pick them out with any degree of consistency with no other cues than facial characteristics?

Just curious.

144 BryanS  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 12:42:01pm

re: #138 wrenchwench

“Clearly” to whom? You? Not me.

OK, then just from the wiki article I linked:

In other Latin American contexts, it is used more expansively to describe the race formed by the fusion of White people, Native American and African peoples in America.

If you disagree, maybe you should participate by proposing an update to the article.

145 wrenchwench  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 12:44:28pm

re: #144 BryanS

OK, then just from the wiki article I linked:

In other Latin American contexts, it is used more expansively to describe the race formed by the fusion of White people, Native American and African peoples in America.

If you disagree, maybe you should participate by proposing an update to the article.

If I understand you correctly, you were saying that those using the term “La Raza” were being divisive. If that’s the case, the above quote contradicts you, doesn’t it?

146 Gus  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 12:44:37pm

re: #142 MandyManners

I have my No. 2!

Somethings messed up. It just created a “plugtmp” in my temp directory. I logged off and cleared everything. It’s probably one of the ads.

147 RadicalModerate  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 12:46:09pm

A couple of things need to be mentioned here - “J.T.” Ready is a rather vocal supporter of Sheriff Joe Arpaio.

[Link: blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com…]

This support goes both ways, as Joe has shown up for, and posed for pictures with members of Ready’s group.

[Link: crooksandliars.com…]

148 Obdicut  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 12:46:10pm

re: #125 BryanS

You do understand that people belong to “La Raza” who are from all sorts of different ‘races”, right?

re: #144 BryanS

Oh, you do somehow understand, and yet refuse to understand. That’s kind of funny.

149 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 12:46:19pm

re: #146 Gus 802

Somethings messed up. It just created a “plugtmp” in my temp directory. I logged off and cleared everything. It’s probably one of the ads.

What’s that?

150 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 12:46:37pm

Hi. I’m logging in pretty much just to gloat about the fact that I have 9 pints of fresh farmer’s market fruit in my kitchen.

The strawberries have been sentenced to be drowned in chocolate. Sentence shall be carried out shortly.

151 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 12:46:42pm

re: #141 MandyManners

Speaking of race, from the SPLC article about the 40 to Watch:

Since last year, he has also been the president of the infamous Pioneer Fund*, which has for decades funded dubious studies linking race to characteristics like criminality, sexuality and intelligence and promoting eugenics, the “science” of creating better humans through selective breeding.

I bet Rushton has a really, really small one.

Scientifically and anthropologically, it has been shown that men with small penises have trended to be much smarter. Anecdotal evidence of this can be seen in societies where men with smaller penises have taken to studying why they have smaller penises, where as the larger endowed members of the clan have not bothered to investigate why they are so much larger, they have simply gone full steam ahead using that penis and subsequently procreating at much faster rates. Ergo, a smaller number of inquisitive males evolved through the eons.

152 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 12:46:50pm

re: #143 Cato the Elder

Can Asian people reliably tell the difference, by facial features alone, among the various Asian “races”? That is, if you do a photo lineup of a Korean, a Chinese, a Japanese, a Thai, a Vietnamese, etc., can someone from that part of the world pick them out with any degree of consistency with no other cues than facial characteristics?

Just curious.

They sure can. There’s also a lot of racial tension among Koreans, Japanese, Chinese, etc.

153 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 12:46:51pm

re: #147 RadicalModerate

A couple of things need to be mentioned here - “J.T.” Ready is a rather vocal supporter of Sheriff Joe Arpaio.

[Link: blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com…]

This support goes both ways, as Joe has shown up for, and posed for pictures with members of Ready’s group.

[Link: crooksandliars.com…]

Does he know all about what they stand for?

154 Gus  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 12:47:17pm

re: #149 MandyManners

What’s that?

It’s a directory. Which means it’s created a temporary plug-in.

155 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 12:47:38pm

re: #151 Walter L. Newton

Scientifically and anthropologically, it has been shown that men with small penises have trended to be much smarter. Anecdotal evidence of this can be seen in societies where men with smaller penises have taken to studying why they have smaller penises, where as the larger endowed members of the clan have not bothered to investigate why they are so much larger, they have simply gone full steam ahead using that penis and subsequently procreating at much faster rates. Ergo, a smaller number of inquisitive males evolved through the eons.

It’s all about the penis.

156 Cato the Elder  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 12:47:43pm

re: #146 Gus 802

Somethings messed up. It just created a “plugtmp” in my temp directory. I logged off and cleared everything. It’s probably one of the ads.

I use both the NoScript and the AdBlock plugins with Firefox, but I have them set to “accept all” on LGF. Occasionally something will get blocked anyway. Since I keep them both updated regularly, anything that turns up as blocked, I leave that way.

You never know.

157 BryanS  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 12:47:59pm

re: #145 wrenchwench

If I understand you correctly, you were saying that those using the term “La Raza” were being divisive. If that’s the case, the above quote contradicts you, doesn’t it?

Not at all. In Mexico, they are often called mestizos. Basically it is a term for group think that identifies this particular mix of “races” as its very own new “race”. I think that makes the use of the term divisive. That may not be what was intended by the originator of the term “La Raza Cósmica”.

158 Red Pencil  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 12:48:07pm

re: #143 Cato the Elder

Can Asian people reliably tell the difference, by facial features alone, among the various Asian “races”? That is, if you do a photo lineup of a Korean, a Chinese, a Japanese, a Thai, a Vietnamese, etc., can someone from that part of the world pick them out with any degree of consistency with no other cues than facial characteristics?

Just curious.

I worked with an Asian girl who was raised in the U.S. by adoprive parents, spoke nothing but English, and had a very Anglo surname. A Chinese co-worker immediately (correctly) identified her biological ancestry as “Korean”. So yes, it happens.

159 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 12:48:13pm

re: #154 Gus 802

It’s a directory. Which means it’s created a temporary plug-in.

*whoosh*

my head

160 Obdicut  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 12:48:33pm

re: #143 Cato the Elder

Yes. So can I, when it comes to that. Just takes being around lots of those ethnic subgroups.

161 wrenchwench  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 12:48:41pm

re: #150 EmmmieG

Hi. I’m logging in pretty much just to gloat about the fact that I have 9 pints of fresh farmer’s market fruit in my kitchen.

The strawberries have been sentenced to be drowned in chocolate. Sentence shall be carried out shortly.

May I serve as Coroner and Undertaker?

162 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 12:48:42pm

How U.S. Financial Reform will Affect Consumers

No mention of FEMA camps or socialism but good information anyways.

163 Cato the Elder  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 12:49:17pm

re: #152 Killgore Trout

They sure can. There’s also a lot of racial tension among Koreans, Japanese, Chinese, etc.

I know, of course, that there’s “racial” (read: cultural) tension there, but can they really tell each other apart on sight?

164 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 12:49:32pm

re: #161 wrenchwench

May I serve as Coroner and Undertaker?

I’ll try, but I think the chocolate would plug up the cables worse than that tmpplg thingy.

165 Obdicut  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 12:49:44pm

re: #157 BryanS

How is an inclusive group that is larger than nations ‘divisive’.

Do you feel identifying as American is divisive?

166 wrenchwench  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 12:50:27pm

re: #157 BryanS

Not at all. In Mexico, they are often called mestizos. Basically it is a term for group think that identifies this particular mix of “races” as its very own new “race”. I think that makes the use of the term divisive. That may not be what was intended by the originator of the term “La Raza Cósmica”.

You think a “new race” that includes everyone is divisive? Did they leave you out personally?

167 Obdicut  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 12:50:51pm

re: #151 Walter L. Newton

This is, of course, total bullshit. It’s also impossible, given how genetics actually work.

168 Cato the Elder  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 12:51:11pm

re: #166 wrenchwench

You think a “new race” that includes everyone is divisive? Did they leave you out personally?

He did not get a direct invitation, so he’s miffed.

169 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 12:52:03pm

re: #167 Obdicut

This is, of course, total bullshit. It’s also impossible, given how genetics actually work.

I think he was joking. Studying “penis” does not an education make.

170 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 12:52:40pm

re: #167 Obdicut

This is, of course, total bullshit. It’s also impossible, given how genetics actually work.

This is, of course, total satire. It is also impossible for you to understand humor considering how your genetic works.

171 Cato the Elder  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 12:53:04pm

re: #167 Obdicut

This is, of course, total bullshit. It’s also impossible, given how genetics actually work.

Are you suffering from an irony deficiency? You need to read Walter more.

172 Obdicut  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 12:53:37pm

re: #169 MandyManners

I think he was joking. Studying “penis” does not an education make.

I know he was joking— or at least I hope to god he was joking. It just Lamarkism.

173 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 12:53:50pm

re: #167 Obdicut

This is, of course, total bullshit. It’s also impossible, given how genetics actually work.

And while you are at it… why don’t you go back up thread and give me a down ding to complete the picture.

Geeessshhhh… for gods sake… put on your mouse ears for a few minutes.

174 Gus  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 12:53:53pm

Comments not updating.

BBL

175 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 12:54:39pm

re: #172 Obdicut

I know he was joking— or at least I hope to god he was joking. It just Lamarkism.

I laughed myself silly.

176 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 12:54:54pm

re: #174 Gus 802

Comments not updating.

BBL

SHOOT YER PUTER.

177 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 12:55:13pm

re: #143 Cato the Elder

Can Asian people reliably tell the difference, by facial features alone, among the various Asian “races”? That is, if you do a photo lineup of a Korean, a Chinese, a Japanese, a Thai, a Vietnamese, etc., can someone from that part of the world pick them out with any degree of consistency with no other cues than facial characteristics?

Just curious.

I really don’t know. Not with consistency, anyway, a Cantonese friend of mine gets mistaken for Japanese by Chinese strangers all the time.

There are regional ‘looks’, even I can see that, but I don’t know how consistently anyone could guess just by seeing photos.

178 Obdicut  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 12:55:52pm

re: #173 Walter L. Newton

Wow.

Chill out man; me thinking your joke is dumb probably isn’t the worst thing that’s ever happened to you.

I swear, you have the thinnest skin in the world.

179 BryanS  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 12:56:04pm

re: #165 Obdicut


re: #166 wrenchwench

I think the term La Raza is not used in a way that includes all races as you say, but to define a new distinct race which is an explicitly required mix of , as the wiki article laid out, “the race formed by the fusion of White people, Native American and African peoples in America.”

So Native Americans—those who are only Nativie American descent— are not identified as La Raza. Reas up on the mestizos issue in Mexico, you’ll see that the “mixed race” has become it’s own political identity distinct and separate from each of its constituent parts.

180 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 12:56:54pm

re: #178 Obdicut

Wow.

Chill out man; me thinking your joke is dumb probably isn’t the worst thing that’s ever happened to you.

I swear, you have the thinnest skin in the world.

I swear… you have the thickest head in the world. You didn’t think it was a joke, and then you back tracked when everyone called you out.

Man up.

181 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 12:57:03pm

auto-refresh comments thingy isn’t working.

Not that I’m complaining. Just reporting.

182 Obdicut  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 12:57:34pm

re: #177 SanFranciscoZionist

I find it really easy to tell different Asian subgroups apart, and I’m rarely wrong. There has been plenty of exogamy back and forth (often under unfortunate circumstances) that can cause someone from one group to resemble that of another, but you can definitely tell most Han Chinese apart from most Japanese apart from most Koreans apart from most Vietnamese.

183 Cato the Elder  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 12:57:38pm

re: #178 Obdicut

Wow.

Chill out man; me thinking your joke is dumb probably isn’t the worst thing that’s ever happened to you.

I swear, you have the thinnest skin in the world.

That’s because of his race, stupid.

184 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 12:58:13pm

SIMMAH DOWN, NOW. SIMMAH DOWN.

185 BryanS  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 12:58:19pm

re: #181 EmmmieG

auto-refresh comments thingy isn’t working.

Not that I’m complaining. Just reporting.

Still working for me. On firefox 3.5.9 here.

186 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 12:58:25pm

re: #181 EmmmieG

auto-refresh comments thingy isn’t working.

Not that I’m complaining. Just reporting.

Gus is having the same problem.

187 Nimed  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 12:58:29pm

re: #177 SanFranciscoZionist

I heard the Chinese are supposed to have slightly chubbier faces than the Japanese. I also heard that there are 3 very distinct Chinese physiotypes. It’s all very confusing.

188 Obdicut  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 12:58:51pm

re: #180 Walter L. Newton

Whatever, dude. I don’t intend to get into a pissing match with you. You have bile and urine-storing capacities beyond my wildest dreams.

189 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 12:59:19pm

re: #183 Cato the Elder

That’s because of his race, stupid.

So, does he have a small one or a big one?

190 zora  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 12:59:32pm

re: #163 Cato the Elder

yes, my mother in law is korean. has no trouble immediately identifying asian races. even asian mixed races. as in anything mixed with japanese. she is quick to point out the japanese traits in them. even if their korean is perfect.

191 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 12:59:58pm

re: #187 Nimed

I heard the Chinese are supposed to have slightly chubbier faces than the Japanese. I also heard that there are 3 very distinct Chinese physiotypes. It’s all very confusing.

You can definitely see an overall set of ‘looks’. Bone structure, coloring, features.

Plus, Koreans are ridiculously tall.

192 Obdicut  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 1:00:12pm

re: #179 BryanS

There’s no such thing as a ‘distinct race’. Which La Raza kind of points out.

So Native Americans—those who are only Nativie American descent— are not identified as La Raza.

This is simply wrong. You have no clue what you’re talking about. Of course La Raza has pureblood Amerind members; why do you think they don’t?

193 RadicalModerate  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 1:00:44pm

re: #153 MandyManners

Does he know all about what they stand for?

Given that Joe has attended, (and spoke at) at least one of J.T.’s “United for a Sovereign America” rallies, I’d say that he’s more than knowledgeable.

194 Nimed  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 1:00:49pm

re: #181 EmmmieG

auto-refresh comments thingy isn’t working.

Not that I’m complaining. Just reporting.

My too. I switched to Chrome yesterday and thought that was it. Are you using Chrome?

195 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 1:00:53pm

Knickers in a twist?

196 Obdicut  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 1:01:07pm

re: #191 SanFranciscoZionist

Well, tall for Asians. Five-foot eight average.

197 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 1:01:19pm

re: #193 RadicalModerate

Given that Joe has attended, (and spoke at) at least one of J.T.’s “United for a Sovereign America” rallies, I’d say that he’s more than knowledgeable.

Does he know that they might not consider him “white”?

198 TedStriker  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 1:01:44pm

re: #24 MandyManners

Beats me. Only pure whites are allowed.

Problem is, few natural-born Americans whose families have been here for any number of generations are “pure” anything…even now, America is still a melting pot.

199 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 1:02:05pm

re: #194 Nimed

My too. I switched to Chrome yesterday and thought that was it. Are you using Chrome?

ie

200 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 1:02:41pm

re: #198 talon_262

Problem is, few natural-born Americans whose families have been here for any number of generations are “pure” anything…even now, America is still a melting pot.

How many generations back did the Nazis consider Jewishiness?

201 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 1:02:54pm

re: #188 Obdicut

Whatever, dude. I don’t intend to get into a pissing match with you. You have bile and urine-storing capacities beyond my wildest dreams.

You’re cute when your caught.

202 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 1:03:38pm

re: #192 Obdicut

There’s no such thing as a ‘distinct race’. Which La Raza kind of points out.

This is simply wrong. You have no clue what you’re talking about. Of course La Raza has pureblood Amerind members; why do you think they don’t?

One thing to understand about the use of the term ‘Raza’ is that it comes out of a long history of extremely complex and divisive racial categories in Central America. (So divisive that people of entirely European descent born in the New World were considered inferior to people of entirely European descent who were born in Spain.) To see people as members of ‘La Raza’ a new entity born of the Conquest, is very much intended to unite groups that were traditionally set at odds.

203 wrenchwench  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 1:03:41pm

re: #179 BryanS

re: #166 wrenchwench

I think the term La Raza is not used in a way that includes all races as you say, but to define a new distinct race which is an explicitly required mix of , as the wiki article laid out, “the race formed by the fusion of White people, Native American and African peoples in America.”

So Native Americans—those who are only Nativie American descent— are not identified as La Raza. Reas up on the mestizos issue in Mexico, you’ll see that the “mixed race” has become it’s own political identity distinct and separate from each of its constituent parts.

I know about Mestizos, in Mexico and elsewhere.

You were concerned that members of La Raza were being divisive. It’s an American organization. Sounds like you have more interest in being divisive than they do.

204 Obdicut  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 1:04:42pm

re: #198 talon_262

And there’s the simple genetic fact that there is more genetic variation inside a clave than between claves; racial differences are less important and less profound than individual differences.

Almost all the genetic diversity found in the rest of the world is found in Africans.

[Link: www.upenn.edu…]

205 wrenchwench  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 1:05:15pm

re: #197 MandyManners

Does he know that they might not consider him “white”?

Political expediency trumps Italian heritage.

206 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 1:07:03pm

re: #205 wrenchwench

Political expediency trumps Italian heritage.

He’s Italian? I thought he was Hispanic.

207 Obdicut  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 1:07:04pm

re: #202 SanFranciscoZionist

Yes. And that it is by far from over; there’s still a ton of divisiveness in Central and South America over race, and a lot of minority groups are marginalized far more than any group in the US is.

208 wrenchwench  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 1:08:10pm

re: #206 MandyManners

He’s Italian? I thought he was Hispanic.

Joe Arpaio? I really don’t think so.

209 Cato the Elder  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 1:08:25pm

re: #190 zora

yes, my mother in law is korean. has no trouble immediately identifying asian races. even asian mixed races. as in anything mixed with japanese. she is quick to point out the japanese traits in them. even if their korean is perfect.

Interesting.

The study of phenotypical variation could be hugely interesting if it didn’t immediately get turned to tribalist uses…

210 RadicalModerate  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 1:09:46pm

re: #197 MandyManners

Does he know that they might not consider him “white”?

Since Sheriff Joe is an absolute hero to the guys over on Stormfront, I don’t think that’s an issue.

[Link: webcache.googleusercontent.com…]

211 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 1:11:16pm

My friend who is always mistaken for Japanese has an ongoing question about a great-grandfather who, in the photos she has, appears to have light eyes.

The answer she got, (in Toisanese) about that from family members was “Shut up.”

We remain curious about great-grandpa.

212 TedStriker  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 1:11:58pm

re: #76 Walter L. Newton

I question how valid it is to label themselves Nazi. Does this sound like a real Nazi?

Weekend Nazis.

I hate Weekend Nazis…

/Jake Blues

213 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 1:12:22pm

re: #208 wrenchwench

Joe Arpaio? I really don’t think so.

Wiki says you’re right.

214 Cato the Elder  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 1:12:45pm

re: #210 RadicalModerate

Since Sheriff Joe is an absolute hero to the guys over on Stormfront, I don’t think that’s an issue.

[Link: webcache.googleusercontent.com…]

You can always, always tell a crazy blog by the shit design.

215 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 1:13:21pm

re: #211 SanFranciscoZionist

My friend who is always mistaken for Japanese has an ongoing question about a great-grandfather who, in the photos she has, appears to have light eyes.

The answer she got, (in Toisanese) about that from family members was “Shut up.”

We remain curious about great-grandpa.

They’ve already developed testing for African tribes, I’ll bet Asian is out there now, or soon will be.

216 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 1:14:47pm

Wow. Right after I posted, I was just jumped to the top of the page then got an Amazon ad then was booted off.

217 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 1:15:09pm

re: #216 MandyManners

Wow. Right after I posted, I was just jumped to the top of the page then got an Amazon ad then was booted off.

Oh dear, it’s spreading.

218 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 1:15:27pm

re: #208 wrenchwench

Joe Arpaio? I really don’t think so.

I don’t know about all the branches of his family, but a quick search of the New York ship arrivals shows a handful of Arpaios arriving in NYC with names like Concetta and Michele, so I’m gonna guess southern Italians.

Rest of the family, of course, could be anything.

219 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 1:15:45pm

Just got jumped to the top of the page again.

220 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 1:16:46pm

re: #215 EmmmieG

They’ve already developed testing for African tribes, I’ll bet Asian is out there now, or soon will be.

Interestingly, no one in my family has shown an interest in taking one of those genetic tests, but we all agree that we wish we could have done one for our late dog.

221 BryanS  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 1:17:04pm

re: #211 SanFranciscoZionist

My friend who is always mistaken for Japanese has an ongoing question about a great-grandfather who, in the photos she has, appears to have light eyes.

The answer she got, (in Toisanese) about that from family members was “Shut up.”

We remain curious about great-grandpa.

Shut up, they explained :)

222 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 1:17:10pm

re: #217 EmmmieG

Oh dear, it’s spreading.

IE 8 or 9 here.

223 wrenchwench  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 1:17:46pm

OK, back to work lurk.

224 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 1:19:57pm

I’m playing with the software again. Reload and everything will be back to normal.

225 palomino  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 1:24:46pm

So this particular group of neo-Nazis likes to play around “outfitted with military fatigues, body armor and gas masks, and carrying assault rifles.” In the Arizona desert? In July?

Maybe natural selection will kick in, and these clowns will self-select out of existence.

226 Nimed  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 1:28:40pm

Testing…

227 TedStriker  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 1:33:53pm

re: #133 MandyManners

From the Wiki page on the NSM:

In January 2009, the group sponsored a half-mile section of U.S. Highway 160 outside of Springfield, Missouri, as part of the Adopt-A-Highway Trash Cleanup program.[1] The highway was later renamed the “Rabbi Abraham Joshua Heschel Memorial Highway” by the state legislature.

ROFLMAO!

Irony is so delicious…

228 Nimed  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 1:34:42pm

All is well again.

229 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 1:35:59pm

re: #227 talon_262

Irony is so delicious…

I bet it pissed off that bunch of bigots.

230 Red Pencil  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 1:36:49pm

La Raza has lots of connotations, some more racist than others. And some racist in different ways; in Spain especially under Franco it was used to refer to specifically European Spaniards.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]

MEChA also uses it in a racist manner, but in a very DIFFERENT racist manner: MEChA’s Plan Espiritual de Aztlan begins


In the spirit of a new people that is conscious not only of its proud historical heritage but also of the brutal “gringo” invasion of our territories, we, the Chicano inhabitants and civilizers of the northern land of Aztlán from whence came our forefathers, reclaiming the land of their birth and consecrating the determination of our people of the sun, declare that the call of our blood is our power, our responsibility, and our inevitable destiny.

We are free and sovereign to determine those tasks which are justly called for by our house, our land, the sweat of our brows, and by our hearts. Aztlán belongs to those who plant the seeds, water the fields, and gather the crops and not to the foreign Europeans. We do not recognize capricious frontiers on the bronze continent

Brotherhood unites us, and love for our brothers makes us a people whose time has come and who struggles against the foreigner “gabacho” who exploits our riches and destroys our culture. With our heart in our hands and our hands in the soil, we declare the independence of our mestizo nation. We are a bronze people with a bronze culture. Before the world, before all of North America, before all our brothers in the bronze continent, we are a nation, we are a union of free pueblos, we are Aztlán.

Por La Raza todo. Fuera de La Raza nada.


[Link: www.utpa.edu…]

If you “the call of [y]our blood” tells you stuff about land and power… you just might be a racist.

231 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 1:42:35pm

re: #230 Red Pencil

If you “the call of [y]our blood” tells you stuff about land and power… you just might be a racist.

Sounds just as racist as the shit I’ve been reading at the NSM site.

232 Obdicut  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 1:43:38pm

re: #230 Red Pencil

And Mecha is an extreme fringe group. But the group La Raza, the mainstream group, is a very inclusionary group that crosses many, many racial lines.

233 TedStriker  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 1:45:54pm

re: #200 MandyManners

How many generations back did the Nazis consider Jewishiness?

I think they went back at least 100 years or more…

234 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 1:47:23pm

re: #232 Obdicut

And Mecha is an extreme fringe group. But the group La Raza, the mainstream group, is a very inclusionary group that crosses many, many racial lines.

MeCHA are nuts. And IDed as a hate group by SPLC.

The La Raza Council or whatever they call themselves are very normal.

235 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 1:48:51pm

Book of EmmmieG, Chap 1, verse 1

1. And behold, she did dip the strawberries in the chocolate thereof.
2. And behold, not satisfied, she did dip the raspberries in the chocolate thereof.
3. And again, she did say unto the blackberries, “Your turn.”
4. And finally, she did stir up the blueberries in the chocolate there of, and she did rest. And eat.

236 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 1:49:56pm

re: #235 EmmmieG

Book of EmmmieG, Chap 1, verse 1

1. And behold, she did dip the strawberries in the chocolate thereof.
2. And behold, not satisfied, she did dip the raspberries in the chocolate thereof.
3. And again, she did say unto the blackberries, “Your turn.”
4. And finally, she did stir up the blueberries in the chocolate there of, and she did rest. And eat.

I can get down with this scripture.

237 SpaceJesus  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 1:51:31pm

what’s up with white supremacists using an abbreviation followed by their last name as their way of referring to themselves?

JT Ready
RS McCain

is this the hip thing to do when you hate browns?

238 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 1:52:24pm

re: #237 spacejesus

what’s up with white supremacists using an abbreviation followed by their last name as their way of referring to themselves?

JT Ready
RS McCain

is this the hip thing to do when you hate browns?

Subliminally, they know what they are doing is horrid, and they are trying to hide.

239 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 1:52:27pm

re: #233 talon_262

I think they went back at least 100 years or more…

Thorough.

240 wrenchwench  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 1:55:40pm

In my experience, which is limited of course, MEChA is a campus service club like most others. They are pretty divorced from their “founding documents”. But because many current Hispanic politicians were members back in the 70s and 80s, some people like to keep putting the radical paint back on it.

/re-lurk

241 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 2:00:13pm

re: #239 MandyManners

Thorough.

Do you know what level of fanatiscism it takes to keep track of other people’s genealogy? I can get the pros, because they get paid, but you have to have some serious incentive to try to do someone else’s.

242 Red Pencil  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 2:02:17pm

re: #234 SanFranciscoZionist

MeCHA are nuts. And IDed as a hate group by SPLC.

The La Raza Council or whatever they call themselves are very normal.

Yes, the National Council of La Raza is a normal interest group, which has specifically repudiated the “Fuera la raza nada” slogan. I just wanted to point out that you really might want to know the context on terms like “La Raza”.

Columbus Day is celebrated in Mexico as El Dia de la Raza, which depending on who is saying it can mean either the day that the [white] Raza came to the New World, or the day that the [mixed] Raza was forged by the mingling of Indian and Spanish blood.

243 zora  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 2:04:33pm

ot: Goodbye wheelchair: Bionic legs allow paralysed man to walk again

Read more: [Link: www.dailymail.co.uk…]

244 Nimed  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 2:08:55pm

re: #235 EmmmieG

Book of EmmmieG, Chap 1, verse 1

1. And behold, she did dip the strawberries in the chocolate thereof.
2. And behold, not satisfied, she did dip the raspberries in the chocolate thereof.
3. And again, she did say unto the blackberries, “Your turn.”
4. And finally, she did stir up the blueberries in the chocolate there of, and she did rest. And eat.

And Nimed looked at it, and He saw that it was Good.

245 Gus  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 2:10:53pm

re: #230 Red Pencil

La Raza has lots of connotations, some more racist than others. And some racist in different ways; in Spain especially under Franco it was used to refer to specifically European Spaniards.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]

MEChA also uses it in a racist manner, but in a very DIFFERENT racist manner: MEChA’s Plan Espiritual de Aztlan begins

[Link: www.utpa.edu…]

If you “the call of [y]our blood” tells you stuff about land and power… you just might be a racist.

Plan Espiritual de Aztlan did not originate from MEChA. It was manisfesto from 1969 during the Chicano Movement:

The Plan Espiritual de Aztlán (English: “Spiritual Plan of Aztlán”) is a manifesto advocating Chicano nationalism and self-determination for Mexican Americans. It was adopted by the First National Chicano Liberation Youth Conference, a March 1969 convention hosted by Rodolfo Gonzales’s Crusade for Justice in Denver, Colorado.

Some student group may or may not ascribe to it but it’s general viewed as within a historical context of “reclaiming the word Chicano. The link you cite is from The University of Texas Pan American and their MEChA student group is found at El Sexto Sol de MEChA. Their constitution can be found here and the in part reads:

Article II: Purpose

A. The purpose of El Sexto Sol de M.E.Ch.A. is to study, educate, inform, and promote to the students, faculty, staff, and community at large about the political, cultural, social, economic, and philosophic issues that pertain to the Chicano community with an emphasis on Indigenous / Native American heritage. As a disenfranchised group, Chicanos are lacking opportunities in education and self awareness in a society that systematically marginalized those groups outside the mainstream status quo. Hence, El Sexto Sol de M.E.Ch.A. is primarily involved in raising the awareness level of Chicanos y Chicanas in the Rio Grande Valley who have regionalized experience of their identity and culture. Thus we shall strive also to combine theory and practice in our activism and seek social and economic justice as a Xicano Tiahui (Chicano movement.)

B. As indicated by our name, El Sexto Sol de M.E.Ch.A, we will affiliate ourselves to the idealogy and movimiento of M.E.Ch.A. as a national organization, while maintaining our own individuality within the rules and regulations of M.E.Ch.A. We will take the necessary, such as adopting the Plan de Santa Barbara to stay affiliated to M.E.Ch.A.

The Plan de Santa Barbara is:

El Plan de Santa Barbara: A Chicano Plan for Higher Education was written by the Chicano Coordinating Council on Higher Education as a manifesto for the implementation of Chicano Studies educational programs throughout the state of California. The Plan was adopted in April 1969 at a symposium held at the University of California, Santa Barbara, USA.

246 windsagio  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 2:11:34pm

Have we had ‘the hispanics are the real racists!’ yet?

247 engineer cat  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 2:13:38pm

“The truth is that negroids screw monkeys and rape babies in afreaka [sic]. Then stupid white man who licks kosher jew rear lets negroids in.”

it amuses me that this, um, person spews the most unimaginable vileness, but scruples to say “ass” and substitutes “rear”

248 Gus  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 2:14:45pm

re: #246 windsagio

Have we had ‘the hispanics are the real racists!’ yet?

I scratching my head here. I don’t see how people can compare a radical student group to neo-Nazis. When was the last time we saw a MEChA or ad hoc La Raza member in the news? How about never. Meanwhile the neo-Nazis and white supremacists are almost a daily event.

249 windsagio  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 2:15:36pm

re: #248 Gus 802

“Prejudice by the liberal media”, but I’m just guessing.

250 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 2:15:38pm

re: #247 engineer dog

Fucked-up standards.

251 bratwurst  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 2:19:36pm

This is the song accompanying the onset of “beer o’clock” for me today. Hope everyone else is enjoying a blessed weekend.

252 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 2:20:21pm

I’m cranky. How do you get rid of an enormous microwave when you don’t have a car, no big trash disposal at your apartment building, and your husband is being…arrgh?

253 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 2:20:34pm

Howdy folks.

I hate Nazis.

Fuckers.

254 Gus  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 2:21:27pm

re: #249 windsagio

“Prejudice by the liberal media”, but I’m just guessing.

That might be one reaction. However, it’s true. Nothing from any MEChA members which is largely a radical student movement.

Let’s compare recent violence in the news utilizing Google:

MEChA murder = 0

neo-Nazi murder = 30

white supremacist murder = 283

You won’t find anything for La Raza either.

255 webevintage  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 2:21:29pm

re: #253 NJDhockeyfan

Howdy folks.

I hate Nazis.

Fuckers.

You know what I hate more then Nazis?


Zombie Nazis

256 windsagio  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 2:21:30pm

re: #252 SanFranciscoZionist

Just to make it worse, I don’t think you’re supposed to normally dispose of Microwaves anyways.

Have fun trying to find somebody to take it!

257 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 2:21:48pm

re: #252 SanFranciscoZionist

I’m cranky. How do you get rid of an enormous microwave when you don’t have a car, no big trash disposal at your apartment building, and your husband is being…arrgh?

Craig’s List?

258 windsagio  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 2:22:15pm

re: #254 Gus 802

Oh of course, the argument is utter crap. Hispanic radicals are hardly the problem here in any context.

259 webevintage  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 2:22:53pm

re: #252 SanFranciscoZionist

I’m cranky. How do you get rid of an enormous microwave when you don’t have a car, no big trash disposal at your apartment building, and your husband is being…arrgh?

Well here in Arkansas one would either throw it out in the woods or set it on the front porch with the rest of the used appliances.

260 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 2:23:38pm

re: #254 Gus 802

That might be one reaction. However, it’s true. Nothing from any MEChA members which is largely a radical student movement.

Let’s compare recent violence in the news utilizing Google:

MEChA murder = 0

neo-Nazi murder = 30

white supremacist murder = 283

You won’t find anything for La Raza either.

They run their mouths, but they don’t do much.

Same for most of the racist black organizations.

This is hard for people to get, sometimes. They want to judge organizations not on their probability of sparking violence, but on their rhetoric.

261 Gus  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 2:23:58pm

re: #258 windsagio

Oh of course, the argument is utter crap. Hispanic radicals are hardly the problem here in any context.

See! They do it too! In an odd way it’s almost a form of racial defensiveness.

262 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 2:24:27pm

re: #259 webevintage

Well here in Arkansas one would either throw it out in the woods or set it on the front porch with the rest of the used appliances.

I live in an apartment in the East Bay. Neither of these seems very doable.

263 webevintage  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 2:24:47pm

re: #257 MandyManners

Craig’s List?

You could join Free Cycle and get someone to come get your crap for free.
I’m amazed what people will take if it is free.
Here is the website:
[Link: www.freecycle.org…]

264 zora  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 2:25:29pm

re: #252 SanFranciscoZionist

if it is in working condition, a charity that accepts small appliances in your best bet. in my area, they will pick these things up and you can schedule pick-ups on-line. i usually donate items to amvets, the lupus foundation, or the salvation army.

265 Gus  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 2:25:35pm

re: #262 SanFranciscoZionist

I live in an apartment in the East Bay. Neither of these seems very doable.

What floor are you on?

//

266 windsagio  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 2:26:41pm

re: #261 Gus 802

Its disgusting and all too common really.

I like the term ‘radical defensiveness’ tho’.

Anything to keep from looking at themselves.

267 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 2:27:06pm

re: #260 SanFranciscoZionist

They run their mouths, but they don’t do much.

Same for most of the racist black organizations.

This is hard for people to get, sometimes. They want to judge organizations not on their probability of sparking violence, but on their rhetoric.

When a man tells me who he is, I believe him.

268 TedStriker  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 2:27:29pm

re: #252 SanFranciscoZionist

I’m cranky. How do you get rid of an enormous microwave when you don’t have a car, no big trash disposal at your apartment building, and your husband is being…arrgh?

Chuck it out the window?

///

269 engineer cat  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 2:27:42pm

re: #143 Cato the Elder

Can Asian people reliably tell the difference, by facial features alone, among the various Asian “races”? That is, if you do a photo lineup of a Korean, a Chinese, a Japanese, a Thai, a Vietnamese, etc., can someone from that part of the world pick them out with any degree of consistency with no other cues than facial characteristics?

Just curious.

a little late to the discussion, but a japanese friend of mine once told me that the only ways that japanese and chinese people can tell each other apart is by cultural clues such as clothing

then we had a discussion about some pictures in a magazine we had lying around, talking about which asian faces had “asian” expressions and which had “obviously american” expressions…

270 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 2:27:48pm

re: #265 Gus 802

What floor are you on?

//

The second. Did I mention that they’ve announced recently that the lawn in the courtyard is ‘for display only’, meaning that they want people’s kids to stop playing on it?

271 Gus  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 2:27:49pm

re: #268 talon_262

Chuck it out the window?

///

See #265.

/

272 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 2:28:33pm

re: #267 MandyManners

When a man tells me who he is, I believe him.

Fair enough, but not a good predictor of violence.

273 Gus  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 2:28:40pm

re: #270 SanFranciscoZionist

The second. Did I mention that they’ve announced recently that the lawn in the courtyard is ‘for display only’, meaning that they want people’s kids to stop playing on it?

For display only? That weird. Never saw a sign like that. Usually it’s “keep of the grass” or lawn.

274 webevintage  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 2:29:16pm

re: #270 SanFranciscoZionist

The second. Did I mention that they’ve announced recently that the lawn in the courtyard is ‘for display only’, meaning that they want people’s kids to stop playing on it?

Well that sucks.
Here is the link to the East Bay area Freecycle list:
[Link: groups.freecycle.org…]

275 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 2:29:21pm

re: #270 SanFranciscoZionist

The second. Did I mention that they’ve announced recently that the lawn in the courtyard is ‘for display only’, meaning that they want people’s kids to stop playing on it?

Oh, good gravy.

276 engineer cat  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 2:29:30pm

re: #270 SanFranciscoZionist

The second. Did I mention that they’ve announced recently that the lawn in the courtyard is ‘for display only’, meaning that they want people’s kids to stop playing on it?

lawn “for display only”

that’s funny

277 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 2:29:43pm

re: #272 SanFranciscoZionist

Fair enough, but not a good predictor of violence.

Maybe so. Maybe not.

278 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 2:31:59pm

re: #273 Gus 802

For display only? That weird. Never saw a sign like that. Usually it’s “keep of the grass” or lawn.

We have a bunch of immigrant families with small children. This is what you get when you’re renting cheap-ass apartments in an East Bay suburb. The kids are nicely behaved, and aside from nearly killing myself on a couple of Barbie cars, I have no objections.

Management can’t stand it, and keeps trying to make things less pleasant for the people with children. Aside from occasional forgotten toys, the kids sometimes call to each other when they’re playing ball on the display lawn. Big no-no. Also, management wants the parents of kids in diapers to scrape the solids from the diapers into the toilets before disposing of the disposable diapers.

279 Four More Tears  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 2:32:43pm

re: #252 SanFranciscoZionist

I’m cranky. How do you get rid of an enormous microwave when you don’t have a car, no big trash disposal at your apartment building, and your husband is being…arrgh?

What’s your husbands problem? If he’s playing WoW then just disconnect the router…

280 Four More Tears  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 2:33:41pm

re: #278 SanFranciscoZionist

Also, management wants the parents of kids in diapers to scrape the solids from the diapers into the toilets before disposing of the disposable diapers.

Okay, that part’s just weird.

281 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 2:33:54pm

re: #279 JasonA

What’s your husbands problem? If he’s playing WoW then just disconnect the router…

He’s resentful because I allowed his handtruck to be stolen five years ago. Also, he kind of wants to keep the enormous-ass malfunctioning microwave as a back-up, because sometimes the current microwave glitches.

282 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 2:34:01pm

re: #278 SanFranciscoZionist

We have a bunch of immigrant families with small children. This is what you get when you’re renting cheap-ass apartments in an East Bay suburb. The kids are nicely behaved, and aside from nearly killing myself on a couple of Barbie cars, I have no objections.

Management can’t stand it, and keeps trying to make things less pleasant for the people with children. Aside from occasional forgotten toys, the kids sometimes call to each other when they’re playing ball on the display lawn. Big no-no. Also, management wants the parents of kids in diapers to scrape the solids from the diapers into the toilets before disposing of the disposable diapers.

That makes perfect sense.

283 Nimed  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 2:34:18pm

re: #267 MandyManners

When a man tells me who he is, I believe him.

I’m stronger than Samson
I’m smarter than Einstein
I’m a sex god.

284 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 2:34:33pm

re: #280 JasonA

Okay, that part’s just weird.

They’re kind of obsessive about the trash. They just don’t have quiiiite enough skips for the building, and they seem to feel that we should react to this by carefully conserving our trash.

285 ryannon  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 2:34:54pm

re: #252 SanFranciscoZionist

I’m cranky. How do you get rid of an enormous microwave when you don’t have a car, no big trash disposal at your apartment building, and your husband is being…arrgh?

What’s wrong with you?

Living in a place with no windows?

286 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 2:34:54pm

re: #281 SanFranciscoZionist

He’s resentful because I allowed his handtruck to be stolen five years ago. Also, he kind of wants to keep the enormous-ass malfunctioning microwave as a back-up, because sometimes the current microwave glitches.

Give the man an A+ for grudges.

287 Four More Tears  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 2:35:00pm

re: #281 SanFranciscoZionist

He’s resentful because I allowed his handtruck to be stolen five years ago. Also, he kind of wants to keep the enormous-ass malfunctioning microwave as a back-up, because sometimes the current microwave glitches.

That’s one hell of a grudge.

288 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 2:35:20pm

re: #283 Nimed

I’m stronger than Samson
I’m smarter than Einstein
I’m a sex god.

LOL!

289 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 2:35:47pm

re: #286 MandyManners

Give the man an A+ for grudges.

I also broke a thermometer eight years ago, and the year before that I kicked him in the balls in a hot tub over Thanksgiving weekend. These are the things he broods over.

290 Four More Tears  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 2:36:29pm

re: #286 MandyManners

Give the man an A+ for grudges.

I’m reminded of when my grandpa took me fishing once in Long Island Sound. I was less than 10 at the time. His fishing pole ended up in the water and I wasn’t allowed to forget it for a long time.

291 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 2:36:36pm

Thank you for allowing me to vent, everyone. I will come up with some plan in the near future.

292 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 2:36:46pm

Barney Frank defends Scott Brown’s daughters

WASHINGTON – Representative Barney Frank this afternoon came to Senator Scott Brown’s defense, joining the Massachusetts Republican in criticizing comedian Kathy Griffin for comments she made calling Brown’s daughters “prostitutes.”

Frank, a Newton Democrat who also appeared on Griffin’s show, wrote a letter this afternoon to Griffin saying her comments were “wholly unfair and inappropriate” and that he “was particularly disappointed in the terrible comment you made about Senator Scott Brown’s daughters.”

“I think it’s possible to have fun, and even to poke fun at people in my businesses, without this kind of completely unfair attack,” Frank wrote. “And while I don’t usually feel compelled to comment on what various entertainers do, since you did include me in that show I wanted to make it very clear that I thought what you did was wholly unfair and inappropriate. It’s the kind of thing that makes it less likely that I or others can cooperate with you in the future.”

Good for Barney. That’s a classy thing to say. Griffin is an ass for saying that.

293 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 2:36:55pm

Look, rhinos!

294 Four More Tears  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 2:37:11pm

re: #283 Nimed

I’m stronger than Samson
I’m smarter than Einstein
I’m a sex god.

I think I really am smarter than Samson and stronger than Einstein. Is that worth anything?

295 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 2:37:14pm

re: #290 JasonA

I’m reminded of when my grandpa took me fishing once in Long Island Sound. I was less than 10 at the time. His fishing pole ended up in the water and I wasn’t allowed to forget it for a long time.

His fishing pole “ended up” in the water, eh?
Hm.
All by itself, it “ended up in the water?

I’m laughing so hard at this story …

296 Four More Tears  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 2:37:45pm

re: #289 SanFranciscoZionist

I also broke a thermometer eight years ago, and the year before that I kicked him in the balls in a hot tub over Thanksgiving weekend. These are the things he broods over.

In a word… Oy.

297 Kronocide  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 2:37:46pm

re: #260 SanFranciscoZionist

This is hard for people to get, sometimes. They want to judge organizations not on their probability of sparking violence, but on their rhetoric.

How about the shoe goes on the other foot with that?

298 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 2:38:09pm

re: #289 SanFranciscoZionist

I also broke a thermometer eight years ago, and the year before that I kicked him in the balls in a hot tub over Thanksgiving weekend. These are the things he broods over.

I can kinda’ understand the issue with the testicles.

299 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 2:38:35pm

re: #290 JasonA

I’m reminded of when my grandpa took me fishing once in Long Island Sound. I was less than 10 at the time. His fishing pole ended up in the water and I wasn’t allowed to forget it for a long time.

Musta’ loved that pole.

300 Kronocide  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 2:39:05pm

re: #296 JasonA

In a word… Oy.

What did the dyslexic rabbi keep saying? YO!

301 Four More Tears  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 2:39:36pm

re: #295 reine.de.tout

His fishing pole “ended up” in the water, eh?
Hm.
All by itself, it “ended up in the water?

I’m laughing so hard at this story …

*ahem* Well, yes, it happened to be in my hands before it, umm… was taken from me by a fish. Yes, it’s the fish’s fault.

302 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 2:40:44pm

re: #292 NJDhockeyfan

Barney Frank defends Scott Brown’s daughters


Good for Barney. That’s a classy thing to say. Griffin is an ass for saying that.

Asshole should stay on the D-List.

303 Eclectic Infidel  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 2:40:57pm

re: #23 jamesfirecat

Jessica Alba?

Asia Carrera.

304 Gus  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 2:49:40pm

Character actor James Gammon dies at 70

Gammon may be best known for his role as Lou Brown, manager of the hapless Cleveland Indians in the 1989 comedy “Major League” and its 1994 sequel. He stood out with key roles in many films including “Urban Cowboy,” “The Milagro Beanfield War,” “Ironweed,” “Silverado” and “Cold Mountain.”

On television he played the father on “Nash Bridges” from 1996 to 2001, though he was only nine years older than star Don Johnson. He also had roles in such TV series as “Gunsmoke,” “The Waltons” and “Bagdad Café.”

305 Professional Poo Flinger  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 2:57:38pm

re: #254 Gus 802

That might be one reaction. However, it’s true. Nothing from any MEChA members which is largely a radical student movement.

Let’s compare recent violence in the news utilizing Google:

MEChA murder = 0

neo-Nazi murder = 30

white supremacist murder = 283

You won’t find anything for La Raza either.

Sifu Gus, I bow before you and request that you teach me the power of Gus802 Google-Fu.

I have trained long and hard in the discipline of B_S Google-Fu and feel I have the necessary ability to go farther in an advanced art such as yours.

307 Gus  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 3:04:51pm

re: #305 b_sharp

Sifu Gus, I bow before you and request that you teach me the power of Gus802 Google-Fu.

I have trained long and hard in the discipline of B_S Google-Fu and feel I have the necessary ability to go farther in an advanced art such as yours.

Taekwongoogle!

/

308 Red Pencil  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 3:09:47pm

re: #260 SanFranciscoZionist

I agree on the sheer ineffectiveness of most Black and Hispanic racists. The fact that MEChA hasn’t dropped the Marxist “people’s struggle against exploitation” lingo 20 years after the fall of the Berlin Wall is an indication of sheer cluelessness.

I just don’t want to get to excusing their racism on the basis of their ability to actually accomplish anything. Most garden variety white racists, even most Jihadis, are underachievers too, fortunately, but they still bear watching.

If you want to play a Google game to track comparative delusional rhetoric, try “Occupied Aztlan” - you will get 8760 hits. “Zionist Occupied America”, 9210. I find both disturbingly high.

309 shiplord kirel  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 4:32:27pm

“I firmly believe in having a minefield across the border,” he says in a widely distributed video. “This is 100% effective.”

This orc obviously doesn’t know about the ingenuity of border-crossers. If you planted mines on the border, you would find illegals peddling them at the flea market within a week.

310 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 4:41:42pm

re: #125 BryanS

Agreed. So when some on the left “celebrate diversity” by emphasizing the heritage/pride of particular groups of people, are they celebrating culture or “race”? A group called La Raza—are they dividing people by “race”?

oh for the love of god >:-/

311 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 4:46:09pm

re: #248 Gus 802

I scratching my head here. I don’t see how people can compare a radical student group to neo-Nazis. When was the last time we saw a MEChA or ad hoc La Raza member in the news? How about never. Meanwhile the neo-Nazis and white supremacists are almost a daily event.

Some people desperately wish it were equivalent because well you know

312 Ojoe  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 4:55:39pm

The topic of this thread, which is bad, is brought to you by the failure of the federal government to enforce the immigration laws, for several administrations now.

Which is bad also.

I’ve had it with the politicians.

313 Ojoe  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 4:59:51pm

re: #252 SanFranciscoZionist

I’m cranky. How do you get rid of an enormous microwave when you don’t have a car, no big trash disposal at your apartment building, and your husband is being…arrgh?

Throw it out an upper window & watch it hit the pavement?

314 Skeetghazi  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 6:04:04pm

re: #254 Gus 802

That might be one reaction. However, it’s true. Nothing from any MEChA members which is largely a radical student movement.

Let’s compare recent violence in the news utilizing Google:

MEChA murder = 0

neo-Nazi murder = 30

white supremacist murder = 283

You won’t find anything for La Raza either.

Booga! *cough race baiting cough* Booga!

315 Skeetghazi  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 6:05:31pm

re: #252 SanFranciscoZionist

I’m cranky. How do you get rid of an enormous microwave when you don’t have a car, no big trash disposal at your apartment building, and your husband is being…arrgh?

LOL, no one is reading this thread now, but I know what you shouldn’t do!!! Remember the big bomb threat in Philly awhile ago? It was a microwave left on the sidewalk with some bad waste inside.

316 brownbagj  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 6:16:54pm

Take the microwave to a repair shop. Leave it. They usually have a policy that after a month or something they now own it.

They could use it for parts etc.

Otherwise, if it does work somewhat, donate it to a shelter, heck, even to a dog pound as they can use equipment like this for food, medicines etc.

317 ClaudeMonet  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 12:18:13am

re: #86 Killgore Trout

OT: Here’s an interesting site…
I Write Like
You cut and paste a sample of your writing and it magically tells you which author you write like. I pasted this from one of my pages…


I write like Kurt Vonnegut!
/lol

I tried it, using parallel paragraphs from two critiques of local community theater productions that I adjudicated last season.

For the first sample, it said i wrote like Vonnegut.

For the second sample, it said I wrote like H.P. Lovecraft.

I’m not sure how to reconcile those two authors.


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