Administering the Occasional Reminder

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Ta-Nehisi Coates finds the right words:

Mark Williams is the same man who has denounced Barack Obama as “Indonesian Muslim” and a “welfare thug.” If Mark Williams is not a racist, then there are no racists in American society—a position which many, some liberals among them, no doubt find plausible.

It’s been asked in comments, a few times, what good has come of the NAACP’s�resolution. I would not endeavor to speak for anyone but myself when I say that I owe the NAACP a debt of gratitude. I have, in my writing, a tendency to become theoretically cute, and overly enamored with my own fair-mindedness. Such vanity has lately been manifested in the form of phrases like “it’s worth saying”� and “it strikes me that…” or “respectfully…”

When engaging your adversaries, that approach has its place. But it’s worth saying that there are other approaches and other places. Among them—respectfully administering the occasional reminder as to the precise nature of the motherfuckers you are dealing with. It strikes me that this is a most appropriate role for the nation’s oldest civil rights organization.

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1 jamesfirecat  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 6:26:36pm

"Among them—respectfully administering the occasional reminder as to the precise nature of the motherfuckers you are dealing with."

Ah sophisticated as hell... there really is no better way to make a point.

[Link: tvtropes.org...]

2 darthstar  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 6:30:58pm

motherfuckers. Love that word, especially in this context.

3 Stanghazi  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 6:31:11pm

Charles, I so appreciate you showcasing a Ta-Nehisi Coates post. Dude knows his shit. He's the one I will read whenever the subject of racism comes up, the real deal.

Also, the comments on his blog are very intelligent and provide additional depth.

4 SpaceJesus  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 6:32:01pm

the last part reads the best if you imagine samuel l jackson saying it

5 Summer Seale  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 6:32:13pm

His cromulent usage of the word "motherfuckers" embiggens the argument. =)

6 jamesfirecat  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 6:36:01pm

re: #4 SpaceJesus

the last part reads the best if you imagine samuel l jackson saying it

I am sick of these motherfucking racists in my motherfucking country!

7 TedStriker  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 6:39:07pm

Fuckin' A!

8 Cato the Elder  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 6:48:01pm

Yes.

There is nothing cute about white supremacists, Nazis, and other motherfuckers. And those who make common cause with them because of the "enemy-of-my-enemy-is-my-friend" fallacy are traitors to their own professed love for America and what it stands for.

See, for example, how that shit worked out for us with Iraq vs. Iran.

9 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 6:48:16pm

re: #4 SpaceJesus

the last part reads the best if you imagine samuel l jackson saying it

Especially if your script has Mr. Jackson then proceeding to slam Mr. Williams' head into a table or wall. Throw in some additional colorful dialog and I rhink we could get Tarentino interested. :D

10 bratwurst  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 6:48:49pm

Charles: is there any way you would consider neutering "lonevoice"? This person seems to have nothing to contribute here but downdings on the LGF pages.

11 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 6:53:29pm

Heh.

12 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 6:53:29pm

re: #10 bratwurst

Charles: is there any way you would consider neutering "lonevoice"? This person seems to have nothing to contribute here but downdings on the LGF pages.

Concur. I've got no use for "Chickenshit stealth dingers" (to quote Salmantis).

13 Nimed  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 6:54:15pm

That was the least gratuitous use of the word "motherfucker" I've seen in years!

Coates is good -- the text up to the word does a really nice job of setting up a surprise for the reader.

14 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 6:54:46pm

re: #10 bratwurst

Charles: is there any way you would consider neutering "lonevoice"? This person seems to have nothing to contribute here but downdings on the LGF pages.

Who?

15 Gus  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 6:55:11pm

I've said other things about Mark Williams before. Right now I'm thinking, "ignorant, lowlife, trash."

16 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 6:55:18pm

That could have easily been written by me. There is absolutely no reason to be all high minded when dealing with scum. Call them the scum they are. Never forget that they are scum.

17 freetoken  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 6:56:56pm

re: #16 LudwigVanQuixote

That could have easily been written by me.

Not doubting your sincerity, but Ta-Nehisi is a more eloquent writer.

18 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 6:57:23pm

And for the record, not suffering fools gladly or allowing them the false dignity of respecting them as "equals" because they are not, (they really are scum) has been a Ludwig specialty since ever.

19 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 6:57:58pm

re: #17 freetoken

Not doubting your sincerity, but Ta-Nehisi is a more eloquent writer.

I'll give him that. But I'll beat him in differential equations at 20 paces any day.

20 Cato the Elder  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 7:01:46pm

Poor motherfuckers. The most misunderstood minority in Merkah!

But their mothers are still fucked.

21 Fart Knocker  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 7:03:58pm

Helpful tips on marriage.

22 Gus  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 7:05:35pm

Obit from 2008 - Vernon K. Sport, 85, Tuskegee Airman and advocate for affirmative action

Until Vernon K. Sport and other members of the Tuskegee Airmen received a Congressional Gold Medal last year, many of his friends in Conyers, Ga., had no idea he had been part of the nation's first group of black military pilots.

So humble was Mr. Sport that he hadn't even discussed his World War II service in depth with Naomi Sport, whom he married in 1992 after moving to Conyers from Boston, where he had been director of affirmative action for the Trial Court of Massachusetts.

[...]

In Massachusetts, Mr. Sport had served with the New England Area Conference of the NAACP and had helped increase the number of minorities working for the Trial Court, which includes courts across the state.

[...]

Photo:

In his role with the NAACP, Vernon Sport (shown speaking on behalf of black officers in Cambridge) helped increase the number of minorities working for courts across Massachusetts. (Ed jenner/globe staff/file 1974)

23 Nimed  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 7:07:17pm
If Mark Williams is not a racist, then there are no racists in American society—a position which many, some liberals among them, no doubt find plausible.

I confess I haven't heard of a lot of people, liberals or not, who say that there are no racists in America.

But the claim itself -- does it remind you of someone? LIZARD CHALENGE! Can you guess the video below before clicking it?

24 Gus  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 7:09:03pm

From Publishers Weekly

Moye, associate professor of history at the University of North Texas, updates a now familiar story in this excellent history of the first African-American military pilots. Under pressure from black newspapers and the NAACP to open pilot training to blacks (and facing a re-election fight), President Franklin Roosevelt in 1940 authorized the creation of a segregated flight school at Tuskegee Institute in Alabama and an all-black fighter squadron. The program trained almost 1,000 fliers, and nearly half served in combat during WWII, compiling an impressive record flying 15,000 sorties in North Africa, Sicily, and Italy. Despite official skepticism and occasional hostility, the Tuskegee Airmen successfully demonstrated that racial segregation of troops was inefficient and... hindered national defense. Their record helped persuade the air force—largely for reasons of operational self-interest—and President Harry Truman to seek the immediate desegregation of the military after the war. The author directed the National Park Service's Tuskegee Airmen Oral History Project and mined some 800 interviews for his exhaustive research. Moye's lively prose and the intimate details of the personal narratives yield an accessible scholarly history that also succeeds as vivid social history. (Apr.)

25 Gus  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 7:11:40pm

Collection, Library of Congress - NAACP: A Century in the Fight for Freedom

The NAACP: A Century in the Fight for Freedom exhibition presents a retrospective of the major personalities, events, and achievements that shaped the NAACP’s history during its first 100 years. Currently, the site highlights 70 treasures and will eventually expand to feature more than 150 items.

26 Gus  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 7:17:08pm

More photos from LOC.


Founding and Early Years

Sample:

William English Walling (1877–1936), a prominent socialist and journalist, was descended from wealthy Kentucky slaveholders. He was a founder of the Intercollegiate Socialist Society, the Women’s Trade Union League, the Social Democratic League, and the NAACP. In 1908 Walling and his wife, Anna Strunsky, a revolutionary Russian Jew, traveled to Springfield, Illinois, to investigate the race riot. In his article, The Race War in the North, which appeared in the September 3 Independent, Walling declared: “the spirit of the abolitionists, of Lincoln and Lovejoy, must be revived and we must come to treat the negro on a plane of absolute political and social equality,” and he appealed for a “large and powerful body of citizens to come to their aid.” The article aroused the conscience of Mary White Ovington, a New York social worker, who wrote a letter to Walling offering her support.

27 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 7:17:26pm

re: #19 LudwigVanQuixote

I'll give him that. But I'll beat him in differential equations at 20 paces any day.

Well, when Ta-Nehisi attempts to do that, we'll give you a call.

28 Gus  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 7:18:52pm
Charles Edward Russell (1860–1941) was a prominent writer and Socialist Party leader. The author of twenty-seven books, he won the Pulitzer Prize for The American Orchestra and Theodore Thomas (1927). Born in Davenport, Iowa, the son of an abolitionist newspaper editor, Russell began his career as a reporter. After twenty years in the field, he won renown as a muckraker and politician. He wrote several exposés, including The Greatest Trust in the World (1905), about the Chicago beef trust. He also campaigned for governor, mayor, and senator in New York but never won. A close friend of William English Walling, Russell was among the original group of people Walling invited to plan the NAACP. He served as acting chairman of the National Negro Committee (1909) and as a board member.
29 Nimed  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 7:19:22pm

re: #23 Nimed

PIMF - Lizard challenge 9_9

30 sagehen  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 7:19:22pm

re: #4 SpaceJesus

the last part reads the best if you imagine samuel l jackson saying it

Everything sounds best if you imagine samuel l jackson saying it. (with the possible exception of the things that sound best when you imagine morgan freeman saying it)

31 William Barnett-Lewis  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 7:19:24pm

re: #1 jamesfirecat

"Among them—respectfully administering the occasional reminder as to the precise nature of the motherfuckers you are dealing with."

Ah sophisticated as hell... there really is no better way to make a point.

[Link: tvtropes.org...]

Seems more like PrecisionFStrike to me but still an excellent point by Ta-Nehisi Coates.

32 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 7:21:25pm

re: #25 Gus 802

Cool links, Gus!

Hiya Lizards!

33 Gus  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 7:22:14pm

re: #32 Floral Giraffe

Cool links, Gus!

Hiya Lizards!

They have HTML pages here too. Just in case. Their slide viewer uses Silverlight.

34 Stanghazi  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 7:23:45pm

re: #26 Gus 802

Gus, I thank you so much for posting this.

It's amazing how we have to qualify the value and history of the NAACP. Only because some people (Sarah, one of many) have tried to diminish their importance.

As Ta-Nehisi said (I've posted before, but oh it needs to be reminded again)


But like all bigotry, the most potent component of racism is frame-flipping--positioning the bigot as the actual victim. So the gay do not simply want to marry, they want to convert our children into sin. The Jews do not merely want to be left in peace, they actually are plotting world take-over. And the blacks are not actually victims of American power, but beneficiaries of the war against hard-working whites.

35 Cato the Elder  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 7:26:22pm

How about a little Mal-speak from "Firefly"?

Badger: You think you're better than other people!
Mal: Just the ones I'm better than.

Pretty much sums up my take on Nazis and other racists.

36 Stanghazi  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 7:27:59pm

re: #25 Gus 802

From the Library of Congress link you provided.

Founded in 1909, the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP) is the nation’s oldest and largest civil rights organization. Since 1964, the Library of Congress has served as its official repository, and the NAACP Records now consist of approximately five million items dating from 1909 to 2003. The records encompass a wide variety of materials, including manuscripts, photographs, prints, pamphlets, broadsides, audiotapes, phonograph records, films, and video recordings. Every phase of the NAACP's many activities can be found in this rich and diverse collection.

The NAACP Records are the largest single collection ever acquired by the Library and annually the most heavily used. These records are the cornerstone of the Library’s unparalleled resources for the study of the twentieth-century civil rights movement in the U.S. that also include the original records of the National Urban League, the NAACP Legal Defense and Educational Fund, the Brotherhood of Sleeping Car Porters, and the Leadership Conference on Civil Rights, as well as the microfilmed records of the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee (SNCC), the Congress of Racial Equality (CORE), and the Southern Christian Leadership Conference (SCLC).

37 Gus  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 7:28:07pm

re: #34 Stanley Sea

Gus, I thank you so much for posting this.

It's amazing how we have to qualify the value and history of the NAACP. Only because some people (Sarah, one of many) have tried to diminish their importance.

As Ta-Nehisi said (I've posted before, but oh it needs to be reminded again)

They fail to see the historical context because they either have never lived the life; educated themselves; or have a complete lack of empathy. One of the main causes of bigotry is self imposed human isolationism.

38 Stanghazi  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 7:29:12pm

re: #37 Gus 802

They fail to see the historical context because they either have never lived the life; educated themselves; or have a complete lack of empathy. One of the main causes of bigotry is self imposed human isolationism.

Empathy, lack of.

39 Gus  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 7:31:38pm

re: #36 Stanley Sea

From the Library of Congress link you provided.

Less that 100 years old. It's amazing when you think about it. Only 100 years ago blacks were subjected to such brutality, bigotry and violence. And it was the NAACP and yes, many American socialists, that helped put an end to such a brutal system. Americans should thank those people, including the NAACP for their hard work and for making this country a better place for all.

40 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 7:31:44pm

re: #38 Stanley Sea

Empathy, lack of.

I see that same sort of bigotry when certain people look at other certain people and have a lack of empathy in regards to ones physical attributes.

41 Stanghazi  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 7:32:39pm

re: #38 Stanley Sea

Empathy, lack of.

I've encountered more people than I would ever like to admit, that lack the empathy gene, in all sorts of situations, race only being one of them.

42 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 7:33:26pm

re: #41 Stanley Sea

I've encountered more people than I would ever like to admit, that lack the empathy gene, in all sorts of situations, race only being one of them.

See re: #40 Walter L. Newton

43 freetoken  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 7:36:18pm

re: #39 Gus 802

Only 100 years ago blacks were subjected to such brutality, bigotry and violence.

It's only been 50 years since segregation was running wild in this country.

44 zora  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 7:37:04pm

speaking of hateful motherfuckers...

It remains to be seen whether the rights claimed by the Phelps group trump the rights of fathers and mothers, brothers and sisters to mourn the loss of their loved ones with dignity. The right to grieve and pay their last respects to their departed heroes in privacy. The right to entrust their loved ones to their God with honor and without being stripped of their final memories. The right to look for closure without being subjected to the most obscene and cruel “intentional infliction of pain and emotional distress.”

[Link: themoderatevoice.com...]

The Stars and Stripes reports today that twenty-two media organizations have sided with the Westboro Baptist Church against the father of the fallen marine and have filed a friend-of -the-court brief with the Supreme Court:

[Link: www.stripes.com...]

45 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 7:37:53pm

re: #23 Nimed

I confess I haven't heard of a lot of people, liberals or not, who say that there are no racists in America.

But the claim itself -- does it remind you of someone? LIZARD CHALENGE! Can you guess the video below before clicking it?


This was what I guessed :D

46 Gus  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 7:38:07pm

re: #43 freetoken

It's only been 50 years since segregation was running wild in this country.

And only one month since we've seen people that think it's OK for the private sector to segregate (i.e. Rand Paul, and the rest of the slack jawed atavists).

47 sagehen  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 7:40:46pm

re: #44 zora

speaking of hateful motherfuckers...

[Link: www.stripes.com...]


It's frustrating sometimes, that assholes have the same free speech rights as decent people.

48 Political Atheist  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 7:44:02pm

re: #32 Floral Giraffe

HI Floral!
Cooling off yet in your area?

49 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 7:44:05pm

More hateful motherfuckers....
Defence League Demo Turns Violent

Twenty people have been arrested at a rally by the English Defence League in Dudley.
...
Members of the 500-strong demo reportedly threw cans and bricks at officers.
...
Police are also investigating possible damage to a Hindu temple in Dudley.

50 Cato the Elder  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 7:44:05pm

"The Triumph of Bullshit", an early poem by T.S. Eliot.

Ladies, on whom my attentions have waited
If you consider my merits are small
Etiolated, alembicated,
Orotund, tasteless, fantastical,
Monotonous, crotchety, constipated,
Impotent galamatias
Affected, possibly imitated,
For Christ's sake stick it up your ass.

Ladies, who find my intentions ridiculous
Awkward insipid and horribly gauche
Pompous, pretentious, ineptly meticulous
Dull as the heart of an unbaked
brioche
Floundering versicles feebly versiculous
Often attenuate, frequently crass
Attempts at emotions that turn isiculous,
For Christ's sake stick it up your ass.

Ladies who think me unduly vociferous
Amiable cabotin making a noise
That people may cry out "this stuff is too stiff for us" -
Ingenuous child with a box of new toys
Toy lions carnivorous, cannons fumiferous
Engines vaporous - all this will pass;
Quite innocent - "he only wants to make shiver us."
For Christ's sake stick it up your ass.

And when thyself with silver foot shalt pass
Among the Theories scattered on the grass
Take up my good intentions with the rest
And then for Christ's sake stick them up your ass.

51 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 7:44:47pm

re: #48 Rightwingconspirator

Nice breeze today, never too hot!
You chillin', yet?

52 Nimed  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 7:45:12pm

re: #45 WindUpBird

This was what I guessed :D


[Video]

LOL good one.

53 dr. luba  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 7:45:55pm

Dengre has a good post up on this topic at Balloon Juice, basically equating the Tea party with the Confederate Party. He views the CP as one of the many reactionary back to the past movements active throughout the world, but also views it as a sort of parasite, taking over its host political parties (first the Dems, then Wallace's movement, now the Republicans).

"Today the Confederacy Party wears different Party labels like finely embroidered sheets that glide in the moonlight. The Republican Party is a brand they control, but in the wake of George W. Bush it was a damaged brand. So the Confederate Party did some marketing and came up with yet another name and yet another mask: The Tea Party.

"Racism and xenophobia are the core organizing tools, along with old chestnuts like ‘states rights’ and fear of ‘big government’. Appeals to selfishness are also key, but it is quiet racism and fear that holds the blob of hate together. Without racism and fear they have nothing."

Good read.

54 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 7:46:03pm

re: #34 Stanley Sea

Gus, I thank you so much for posting this.

It's amazing how we have to qualify the value and history of the NAACP. Only because some people (Sarah, one of many) have tried to diminish their importance.

As Ta-Nehisi said (I've posted before, but oh it needs to be reminded again)

It's like they say, the first thing we do is kill all the lawyers. The real point of that phrase from Henry VI (instead of the hurr hurr uneducated dipshits who think its just because lawyers suck) is that if you kill independent and critical thinkers and advocates of the people, then you can more easily shape society.

So if you want to weaken black people and foment racism, the first thing you do is discredit the NAACP.

55 CuriousLurker  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 7:48:07pm

re: #38 Stanley Sea

Empathy, lack of.

I've posted this once before in the wee hours of the morning, but I think it's fitting to post it again.

All Adam's race are members of one frame;
Since all, at first, from the same essence came.
When by hard fortune one limb is oppressed,
The other members lose their wonted rest:
If thou feel'st not for others' misery,
A son of Adam is no name for thee.
Saadi of Shiraz

56 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 7:48:24pm

re: #19 LudwigVanQuixote

Ludwig, what do you make of this:

Scientists baffled by unusual upper atmosphere shrinkage

(CNN) -- An upper layer of Earth's atmosphere recently shrank so much that researchers are at a loss to adequately explain it, NASA said on Thursday.

The thermosphere, which blocks harmful ultraviolet rays, expands and contracts regularly due to the sun's activities. As carbon dioxide increases, it has a cooling effect at such high altitudes, which also contributes to the contraction.

But even these two factors aren't fully explaining the extraordinary contraction which, though unlikely to affect the weather, can affect the movement of satellites, researchers said.

"This is the biggest contraction of the thermosphere in at least 43 years," John Emmert of the Naval Research Lab was quoted as saying in NASA news report.

Emmert is the lead author of a paper announcing the finding in the June 19 issue of the journal Geophysical Research Letters.

"We cannot explain the abnormally low densities, which are about 30 percent lower" than from previous contractions, Emmert told CNN.com.

57 Renaissance_Man  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 7:48:49pm

re: #54 WindUpBird

It's like they say, the first thing we do is kill all the lawyers. The real point of that phrase from Henry VI (instead of the hurr hurr uneducated dipshits who think its just because lawyers suck) is that if you kill independent and critical thinkers and advocates of the people, then you can more easily shape society.

Actually, I'm pretty okay with that interpretation too.

58 Political Atheist  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 7:49:06pm

re: #51 Floral Giraffe

Just now.
Hit 98 today. Thirty something humidity. The good news was a killer rib-eye on the bbq with a decent Argentine Cabernet and lots of cool fresh veggies. Feeling like a full laid back lizard now.

59 Political Atheist  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 7:49:43pm

re: #56 Dark_Falcon

Beat me to it. I paged it this am and wanted to run it by LVQ.

60 Stanghazi  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 7:51:34pm

re: #46 Gus 802

And only one month since we've seen people that think it's OK for the private sector to segregate (i.e. Rand Paul, and the rest of the slack jawed atavists).

And what, 3 weeks since members of Congress disparaged Thurgood Marshall?

61 Gus  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 7:51:47pm

re: #54 WindUpBird

It's like they say, the first thing we do is kill all the lawyers. The real point of that phrase from Henry VI (instead of the hurr hurr uneducated dipshits who think its just because lawyers suck) is that if you kill independent and critical thinkers and advocates of the people, then you can more easily shape society.

So if you want to weaken black people and foment racism, the first thing you do is discredit the NAACP.

Their idea of a perfect America is one without the NAACP, ACLU, NOW, GLADD, ADL, SPLC, etc.

62 CuriousLurker  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 7:52:47pm

re: #25 Gus 802

Great collection of links you provided there, Gus. I love going to the LOC site. It's easy to get lost in there for hours on end.

63 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 7:53:17pm

re: #61 Gus 802

Their idea of a perfect America is one without the NAACP, ACLU, NOW, GLADD, ADL, SPLC, etc.

Or GLBT and PFLAG.

64 Gus  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 7:53:19pm

re: #60 Stanley Sea

And what, 3 weeks since members of Congress disparaged Thurgood Marshall?

Yes, the "radical" Thurgood Marshall.

Image: dog-whistle.jpg

65 swamprat  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 7:53:31pm

re: #56 Dark_Falcon

Now this could be nasty.

66 Interesting Times  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 7:54:20pm

re: #56 Dark_Falcon

Ludwig, what do you make of this:

Scientists baffled by unusual upper atmosphere shrinkage

Naturally this proves AGW isn't real, since "shrinkage" is caused by cold /

(seriously though, thanks for posting this and I'd also really like to know what it signifies...)

67 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 7:54:28pm

re: #58 Rightwingconspirator

Just now.
Hit 98 today. Thirty something humidity. The good news was a killer rib-eye on the bbq with a decent Argentine Cabernet and lots of cool fresh veggies. Feeling like a full laid back lizard now.

Happy birthday!

Good to know I'm not the oldest lizard in the nest.

Oh, you mean it was 98 degrees outside?
/

68 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 7:54:31pm

re: #60 Stanley Sea

And what, 3 weeks since members of Congress disparaged Thurgood Marshall?

Well, he is radically pigmented

69 Political Atheist  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 7:56:11pm

re: #67 Alouette

Happy birthday!

Good to know I'm not the oldest lizard in the nest.

Oh, you mean it was 98 degrees outside?
/

LOL!
D_L too.
Just hit the half century mark.

70 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 7:57:01pm

re: #66 publicityStunted

Naturally this proves AGW isn't real, since "shrinkage" is caused by cold /

(seriously though, thanks for posting this and I'd also really like to know what it signifies...)

Not a problem. I saw this article on my phone earlier today and felt I should ran it past Ludwig.

71 Political Atheist  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 7:57:49pm

re: #70 Dark_Falcon

Not a problem. I saw this article on my phone earlier today and felt I should ran it past Ludwig.

This report gave me that creepy feeling, more than the temperature records.

72 Gus  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 7:58:53pm

re: #62 CuriousLurker

Great collection of links you provided there, Gus. I love going to the LOC site. It's easy to get lost in there for hours on end.

I could only imagine visiting on site. Their web pages are extensive and cover everything related to the USA from A to Z. Another good one is The National Archives.

73 swamprat  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 8:00:42pm

re: #71 Rightwingconspirator

This report gave me that creepy feeling, more than the temperature records.

Uh huh. Think Mars. Atmosphere going bye-bye is a bad thing.

74 Political Atheist  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 8:01:46pm

re: #73 swamprat

Now CNN has it as a top story on their web page.

75 Gus  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 8:02:52pm
76 CuriousLurker  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 8:03:22pm

re: #72 Gus 802

I could only imagine visiting on site. Their web pages are extensive and cover everything related to the USA from A to Z. Another good one is The National Archives.

Can you believe I've never been to D.C.?? Unless you count a stop at the Greyhound Bus terminal years ago.

I'm sure you could spend days, shoot make that months, poking around in the LOC. I especially love the image archives.

77 swamprat  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 8:04:39pm

re: #75 Gus 802

Ozone is our friend.

78 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 8:04:55pm

re: #74 Rightwingconspirator

Now CNN has it as a top story on their web page.

Well, we gotta go sometime... now is as good as ever.

79 CuriousLurker  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 8:05:20pm

re: #72 Gus 802

The National Archives are awesome too. I need to make a point of going to D.C. one of these days. It's not like I live that far away.

80 Gus  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 8:05:27pm

re: #76 CuriousLurker

Can you believe I've never been to D.C.?? Unless you count a stop at the Greyhound Bus terminal years ago.

I'm sure you could spend days, shoot make that months, poking around in the LOC. I especially love the image archives.

We went as a family when I was 12 years old. Was only for a day and went to a few monuments and the Smithsonian. Would probably need a good solid month to take a good dose in.

81 Stanghazi  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 8:06:10pm

re: #53 dr. luba

Remember how they turn it around? From your link, one of the comments took me here:

There has been a rather ugly conflict between the NAACP and the Tea Party movement that has heated up of late, centering around the use of “colored people” and a satirical letter written by Mark Williams, a Tea Party Express organizer. The Republican strategist Mary Matalin (who is a former adviser to Vice President Dick Cheney) appeared on CNN’s Situation Room this afternoon to discuss this, and painted Williams to be a fringe character who’s not in a position to influence anyone…”unlike Reverend Wright.”

Whiplash.

[Link: www.mediaite.com...]

82 Interesting Times  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 8:06:36pm

re: #70 Dark_Falcon

Not a problem. I saw this article on my phone earlier today and felt I should ran it past Ludwig.

I'm even more anxious about these issues than usual, since I just finished reading an apocalyptic vision of humanity's future (Margaret Atwood's The Year of the Flood). Get a load of this passage on p. 273 of the large print edition, keeping in mind the book was published last year:

We hold in our minds the Great Dead Zone in the Gulf of Mexico; and the Great Dead Zone in Lake Erie; and the Great Dead Zone in the Black Sea; and the desolate Grand Banks of Newfoundland, where the Cod once abounded; and the Great Barrier Reef, now dying and bleaching white and breaking apart

*gulp*

83 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 8:07:15pm

re: #80 Gus 802

We went as a family when I was 12 years old. Was only for a day and went to a few monuments and the Smithsonian. Would probably need a good solid month to take a good dose in.

I went for a Soviet Jewry demonstration when I was ten or twelve, and then with my father to a conference and to look at colleges when I was seventeen.

Never had a chance to see nearly enough.

84 CuriousLurker  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 8:08:42pm

re: #80 Gus 802

We went as a family when I was 12 years old. Was only for a day and went to a few monuments and the Smithsonian. Would probably need a good solid month to take a good dose in.

Ohhh, the Smithsonian. See, that right there is the problem—I know if I go I'm only going to have time to see a tiny fraction of all the cool places. *sigh* Still, I guess it would be better than never seeing ANY of it.

85 freetoken  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 8:08:53pm

re: #61 Gus 802

Their idea of a perfect America is one without the NAACP, ACLU, NOW, GLADD, ADL, SPLC, etc.

... ABC, CBS, NBC, MSNBC, PBS, NYT, WP, .... NOAA, NASA, DOE, IRS, FDA, ...

86 Gus  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 8:09:09pm

re: #83 SanFranciscoZionist

I went for a Soviet Jewry demonstration when I was ten or twelve, and then with my father to a conference and to look at colleges when I was seventeen.

Never had a chance to see nearly enough.

I'd love to go to the Steven F. Udvar-Hazy Center which is the air and space museum at Dulles. Not in DC proper.

87 Gus  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 8:09:32pm

re: #85 freetoken

... ABC, CBS, NBC, MSNBC, PBS, NYT, WP, ... NOAA, NASA, DOE, IRS, FDA, ...

EIEIO!

88 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 8:10:29pm

re: #74 Rightwingconspirator

Now CNN has it as a top story on their web page.

Yeah, if anything this story bolsters the AGW case, but you'll never hear it on Fox, which is ignoring the story.

89 3kids3dogs  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 8:10:42pm

re: #61 Gus 802

Their idea of a perfect America is one without the NAACP, ACLU, NOW, GLADD, ADL, SPLC, etc.

So is mine but only because they wouldn't be necessary anymore.

90 Gus  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 8:10:56pm

re: #84 CuriousLurker

Ohhh, the Smithsonian. See, that right there is the problem—I know if I go I'm only going to have time to see a tiny fraction of all the cool places. *sigh* Still, I guess it would be better than never seeing ANY of it.

Then the best plan would be to live there. If you're close it would require that of course.

91 swamprat  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 8:11:33pm

Ludwig will you comment or something?

Middle Ages Warming period

Little Ice Age

Climate reseachers salary means that they are over paid shills for the check writers.

Unfairly positioned weather stations


Wake up, Luddie

92 Gus  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 8:12:02pm

re: #89 3kids3dogs

So is mine but only because they wouldn't be necessary anymore.

If that were possible then sure that would be good.

93 Gus  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 8:12:28pm

re: #91 swamprat

Ludwig will you comment or something?

Middle Ages Warming period

Little Ice Age

Climate reseachers salary means that they are over paid shills for the check writers.

Unfairly positioned weather stations

Wake up, Luddie

Thwack!

/

94 CuriousLurker  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 8:14:18pm

re: #83 SanFranciscoZionist

I went for a Soviet Jewry demonstration when I was ten or twelve, and then with my father to a conference and to look at colleges when I was seventeen.

Never had a chance to see nearly enough.

Maybe we should organize a group trip to D.C. Can you imagine? Oh noes! Lizards invade the nation's capital!!11! I wonder if the stalkers would follow us there... Hey, stalkers, y'all wanna go to D.C.?

95 3kids3dogs  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 8:14:19pm

re: #92 Gus 802

If that were possible then sure that would be good.

Absolutely but I don't have that much faith in humans. Maybe one day in the far away future but until then I'm sure glad these organizations exist.

96 Gus  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 8:15:52pm

re: #94 CuriousLurker

Maybe we should organize a group trip to D.C. Can you imagine? Oh noes! Lizards invade the nation's capital!!11! I wonder if the stalkers would follow us there... Hey, stalkers, y'all wanna go to D.C.?

Lizard Bus Tour 2011!

Can we swing by Robert Stacy McCain's hometown please, please, please!?

/

97 swamprat  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 8:16:21pm

Now reggie...

Ding in haste, repent at leisure.

98 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 8:17:01pm

re: #97 swamprat

I dinged down for calling him "Luddie".
If you were wondering.

99 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 8:18:13pm

re: #91 swamprat

Ludwig will you comment or something?

Middle Ages Warming period

Little Ice Age

Climate reseachers salary means that they are over paid shills for the check writers.

Unfairly positioned weather stations

Wake up, Luddie

He may not be on his computer at the moment. Sometimes people are logged in but not on the PC.

And don't bring up the Medieval Warm Period and the Little Ice Age. Those were not due to carbon induced warming and what's more you know it. Don't bait Ludwig, stick to the issue at hand.

100 Nimed  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 8:18:29pm

re: #82 publicityStunted

*gulp*

Bleak...

I've been meaning to read something by Atwood for years -- I was specifically eyeing The Handmaid's Tale and Oryx and Crake. How good is The Year of the Flood?

101 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 8:19:14pm

re: #97 swamprat

Go off trolling, get a downding.

102 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 8:19:25pm

re: #96 Gus 802

Lizard Bus Tour 2011!

Can we swing by Robert Stacy McCain's hometown please, please, please!?

/

I am CERTAIN a Lizards bus tour, could go somewhere (pretty much anywhere) more interesting than RSM's hometown...

103 swamprat  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 8:20:00pm

re: #98 Floral Giraffe

No prob. But I would like him to weigh in.
Upper atmosphere attrition worries me a lot more than global warming.

104 Gus  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 8:21:03pm

re: #102 Floral Giraffe

I am CERTAIN a Lizards bus tour, could go somewhere (pretty much anywhere) more interesting than RSM's hometown...

Yeah. Like Williamsburg.

105 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 8:21:15pm

re: #103 swamprat

Maybe he's busy, doing something else?
He hasn't posted in over 2 hours.
It's not like you can rub the bottle & have the genie pop out!

106 Gus  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 8:21:35pm
107 swamprat  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 8:21:59pm

re: #99 Dark_Falcon

He may not be on his computer at the moment. Sometimes people are logged in but not on the PC.

And don't bring up the Medieval Warm Period and the Little Ice Age. Those were not due to carbon induced warming and what's more you know it. Don't bait Ludwig, stick to the issue at hand.

I don't care about those. I'm just trying to get his attention. The red flags and dog whistles are not meant as goads. They are frantic waves.

108 CuriousLurker  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 8:22:02pm

re: #100 Nimed

I guarantee The Handmaid's Tale will chill you to the bone. Actually every time I see Sarah Palin I think of that book.

109 swamprat  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 8:22:53pm

re: #101 Dark_Falcon

Go off trolling, get a downding.


You haven't seen me troll.

110 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 8:22:55pm

re: #103 swamprat

No prob. But I would like him to weigh in.
Upper atmosphere attrition worries me a lot more than global warming.

Understood, but please make your requests without baiting him like that. When you do that, Ludwig comes out swinging. He flames you, you flame him, the thread turns to shit, then Charles starts handing down timeouts. Lets avoid the unpleasantness, please.

111 webevintage  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 8:23:05pm

re: #100 Nimed

Bleak...

I've been meaning to read something by Atwood for years -- I was specifically eyeing The Handmaid's Tale and Oryx and Crake. How good is The Year of the Flood?

The Handmaid's Tale scarred me...

112 Nimed  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 8:23:08pm

re: #94 CuriousLurker

Maybe we should organize a group trip to D.C. Can you imagine? Oh noes! Lizards invade the nation's capital!!11! I wonder if the stalkers would follow us there... Hey, stalkers, y'all wanna go to D.C.?

Do you think we might need people to carry our luggage? :)

113 CuriousLurker  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 8:25:05pm

re: #106 Gus 802

Colonial Williamsburg

Hey, Tea P... Oh no, wait.

114 Stanghazi  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 8:25:10pm

re: #108 CuriousLurker

I guarantee The Handmaid's Tale will chill you to the bone. Actually every time I see Sarah Palin I think of that book.

Ding!

115 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 8:26:46pm

re: #111 webevintage

The Handmaid's Tale scarred me...

I saw the movie, pretty terrifying. The way the handmaids were induced to attack and kill a supposed rapist (actually a dissident) is based on a real Maoist practice called Thamzing. It's designed to make ordinary people complicit in state terror and thus prevent them from rebelling.

116 swamprat  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 8:26:58pm

re: #110 Dark_Falcon

Understood, but please make your requests without baiting him like that. When you do that, Ludwig comes out swinging. He flames you, you flame him, the thread turns to shit, then Charles starts handing down timeouts. Lets avoid the unpleasantness, please.

I have logged off purposely to keep LVQ from the bad. It was a while back.

And a question about atmosphere shrinkage has nought to do with meaningless talking points posted in a row without any context or claims.

117 freetoken  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 8:27:00pm

re: #103 swamprat


Upper atmosphere attrition worries me a lot more than global warming.

The Earth always loses atmosphere. However, the volcanic activity is enough to replace it. Poor Mars, without any recent volcanoes and with less mass wasn't able to keep much of its atmosphere.

The Thermosphere contraction is interesting, but only in magnitude, not occurrence.

118 Nimed  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 8:27:25pm

re: #108 CuriousLurker

I guarantee The Handmaid's Tale will chill you to the bone. Actually every time I see Sarah Palin I think of that book.

re: #111 webevintage

The Handmaid's Tale scarred me...

:O

I'll... interpret both your comments as endorsements. The Handmaid's Tale it is!

119 Stanghazi  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 8:28:00pm

President Obama with Robert Byrd's (great?) grandchildren.

Image: 17072010192403.jpg

120 zora  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 8:28:10pm

re: #104 Gus 802

williamsburg is one of my favorite places to visit. went for my honeymoon. haven't been there in years though.

121 webevintage  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 8:28:18pm

re: #115 Dark_Falcon

I saw the movie, pretty terrifying. The way the handmaids were induced to attack and kill a supposed rapist (actually a dissident) is based on a real Maoist practice called Thamzing. It's designed to make ordinary people complicit in state terror and thus prevent them from rebelling.

All I know is that I'd be out working in the radioactive fields....

122 Nimed  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 8:28:25pm

re: #115 Dark_Falcon

I saw the movie, pretty terrifying. The way the handmaids were induced to attack and kill a supposed rapist (actually a dissident) is based on a real Maoist practice called Thamzing. It's designed to make ordinary people complicit in state terror and thus prevent them from rebelling.

Hey, no spoilers! :)

123 webevintage  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 8:28:54pm

re: #118 Nimed

:O

I'll... interpret both your comments as endorsements. The Handmaid's Tale it is!

Yes.
It is a great book!

124 Gus  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 8:29:04pm

re: #113 CuriousLurker

Hey, Tea P... Oh no, wait.

It's that tricorne hat. It'll do it all the time. Yeah, Williamsburg is a legitimate place with a serious collection and research/preservation going on in the background.

125 Stanghazi  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 8:29:11pm

re: #121 webevintage

All I know is that I'd be out working in the radioactive fields...

Me fucking too.

126 swamprat  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 8:30:33pm

re: #117 freetoken

Thanks.
Volcanoes a recharge source?
Who knew?

127 Gus  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 8:31:01pm

re: #120 zora

williamsburg is one of my favorite places to visit. went for my honeymoon. haven't been there in years though.

I went 25 years ago. The surrounding area if very beautiful too. Although not sure what kind of development it's seen in the past 25 years.

128 Gus  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 8:31:21pm

re: #127 Gus 802

Is very...not if.

129 CuriousLurker  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 8:32:06pm

re: #112 Nimed

Do you think we might need people to carry our luggage? :)

They are soooo going to blog about you for that! LOL

130 Interesting Times  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 8:32:33pm

re: #100 Nimed

Bleak...

I've been meaning to read something by Atwood for years -- I was specifically eyeing The Handmaid's Tale and Oryx and Crake. How good is The Year of the Flood?

I read The Handmaid's Tale years and years ago - it was published in 1984 (how apropos), and is probably even more relevant and fitting today, given the rise of the Religious Right (plus her vision of money being nothing but an electronic record, able to be wiped out or altered in seconds)

As for Year of the Flood, its vision of all-powerful corporations destroying the environment and humanity is also far too close for comfort. The book tour Atwood put together for promoting it, complete with mock church choirs performing "hymns" from the "God's Gardeners" pro-environment religious cult, was hugely entertaining - I saw it when it came by my town last year, and it's what got me interested in the book. Atwood's a very dynamic speaker with a dry, razor-sharp satirical wit.

131 freetoken  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 8:33:49pm

re: #126 swamprat

We wouldn't be here without volcanoes.

Yet I sense that you are really, really trying to bait LVQ into going off on some of the standard deniers' mantras - knowing full well that he is doing his thing on the sabbath.

132 webevintage  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 8:33:55pm

Just took 2 tomato pies out of the oven.
I love this time of year.

(well not really, I hate summer, but I love some fresh out of the garden from a guy selling watermelons on the side of the road tomatoes.)

133 Nimed  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 8:35:20pm

re: #117 freetoken

Poor Mars, without any recent volcanoes and with less mass wasn't able to keep much of its atmosphere.

It's on America's tortured brow
that Mickey Mouse has grown up a cow.

134 zora  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 8:36:32pm

re: #112 Nimed

only if it can be rent boys.
/

135 Spare O'Lake  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 8:37:26pm

High there.

136 Nimed  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 8:39:14pm

re: #129 CuriousLurker

They are sooo going to blog about you for that! LOL

:D If they do, I'm looking forward not to read it! But I doubt it, they seem to get most of their kicks from provoking Charles and the older/most active users.

137 swamprat  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 8:39:54pm

re: #131 freetoken

We wouldn't be here without volcanoes.

Yet I sense that you are really, really trying to bait LVQ into going off on some of the standard deniers' mantras - knowing full well that he is doing his thing on the sabbath.

Well, you are wrong. Did not know he was observant. And the sun has set in most places. Your aspersions are misplaced. But I thank you for the information about volcanoes and our upper atmosphere.

I will "bait" no more.

138 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 8:40:39pm

re: #131 freetoken

Yesterday was his sabbath, btw...

139 CuriousLurker  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 8:41:05pm

re: #115 Dark_Falcon

I saw the movie, pretty terrifying. The way the handmaids were induced to attack and kill a supposed rapist (actually a dissident) is based on a real Maoist practice called Thamzing. It's designed to make ordinary people complicit in state terror and thus prevent them from rebelling.

It's been years since I've seen the movie, but even Palin's clothing (those severe jackets) reminds me of Aunt Lydia in the movie, the one who is in charge of the reeducation of the women. *shudder*

140 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 8:41:42pm

re: #131 freetoken

We wouldn't be here without volcanoes.

Yet I sense that you are really, really trying to bait LVQ into going off on some of the standard deniers' mantras - knowing full well that he is doing his thing on the sabbath.

Well, Shabbat is over just about everywhere except for the West Coast and Hawaii, and I think Ludwig is on the East Coast.

141 freetoken  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 8:41:44pm

re: #138 Floral Giraffe

Yesterday was his sabbath, btw...

Heh, I miss a day here and there.

I guess as it is sundown perhaps LVQ will be back.

142 CuriousLurker  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 8:42:20pm

re: #125 Stanley Sea

Me fucking too.

Me three.

143 D. Tomeric  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 8:42:28pm

re: #31 wlewisiii

Aww crap. You've introduced me to tvtropes.org. I don't know if I should love you or hate you now...

144 Cato the Elder  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 8:42:46pm

I suspect that Ludwig is working up some killer variables for his upcoming differential equation cage match. Leave him be.

145 Political Atheist  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 8:43:48pm

re: #140 Alouette

I forget to log out. Cooking, talking to the neighbors etc. I try not to but multitasking has its pitfalls.

146 Gus  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 8:44:49pm
147 Cato the Elder  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 8:45:32pm

re: #143 Brew Dad

Aww crap. You've introduced me to tvtropes.org. I don't know if I should love you or hate you now...

I immediately bookmarked that site for quotemining. Hilarity is bound to ensue!

148 CuriousLurker  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 8:45:42pm

re: #130 publicityStunted

I read The Handmaid's Tale years and years ago - it was published in 1984 (how apropos), and is probably even more relevant and fitting today, given the rise of the Religious Right (plus her vision of money being nothing but an electronic record, able to be wiped out or altered in seconds)

As for Year of the Flood, its vision of all-powerful corporations destroying the environment and humanity is also far too close for comfort. The book tour Atwood put together for promoting it, complete with mock church choirs performing "hymns" from the "God's Gardeners" pro-environment religious cult, was hugely entertaining - I saw it when it came by my town last year, and it's what got me interested in the book. Atwood's a very dynamic speaker with a dry, razor-sharp satirical wit.

Now I'm going to have to get Year of the Flood too. I really like Margaret Atwood. Thoroughly her interview with Bill Moyers on religion.

149 Nimed  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 8:45:52pm

re: #130 publicityStunted

I read The Handmaid's Tale years and years ago - it was published in 1984 (how apropos), and is probably even more relevant and fitting today, given the rise of the Religious Right (plus her vision of money being nothing but an electronic record, able to be wiped out or altered in seconds)

As for Year of the Flood, its vision of all-powerful corporations destroying the environment and humanity is also far too close for comfort. The book tour Atwood put together for promoting it, complete with mock church choirs performing "hymns" from the "God's Gardeners" pro-environment religious cult, was hugely entertaining - I saw it when it came by my town last year, and it's what got me interested in the book. Atwood's a very dynamic speaker with a dry, razor-sharp satirical wit.

Man, the show sounds really cool. Thanks for the overview. The plot from Year of the Flood is very tempting, but I think I'll start with the The Handmaid's Tale.

150 Political Atheist  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 8:46:17pm

re: #144 Cato the Elder

I suspect that Ludwig is working up some killer variables for his upcoming differential equation cage match. Leave him be.

Oh? Differential equation contest?
We won't see that on ESPN2!

151 palomino  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 8:47:31pm

Just one more example of how the tea partiers are not the Great Awakened Majority they fancy themselves. With people like Williams adding their rhetoric to that of Beck, Palin, Tancredo, King et al., the TP has almost completely alienated black and Hispanic voters. And that won't be easy to change.

They may do OK in the 2010 midterms, but they have no chance of being a dominant political force in the long run. Demographics, urbanization and mathematics are all against them.

152 CuriousLurker  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 8:47:47pm

re: #148 CuriousLurker

Now I'm going to have to get Year of the Flood too. I really like Margaret Atwood. Thoroughly enjoyed her interview with Bill Moyers on religion.

PIMF

153 aurelius  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 8:48:26pm

Here's what we need to do.

We need to hold the Republicans to the same standard as the Tea Party. Don't let them get off scot-free.

Why should they not also have to acknowledge the racists in their midst?

The Republican leadership must be made accountable-- they must publicly acknowledge the racist elements in the GOP, repudiate them, and expel them.

And the NAACP should feel perfectly fine issuing the same kind of statement about the Republicans-- or any party that includes racists.

154 Mich-again  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 8:49:01pm

Maybe someone younger than me can explain how something as silly as a few seconds of a cartoon can inspire hundreds of youtube videos with the same theme. "Imma Firin Mah Lazahhhh!"

Shoop da Woop

155 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 8:51:22pm

re: #153 aurelius

Here's what we need to do.

We need to hold the Republicans to the same standard as the Tea Party. Don't let them get off scot-free.

Why should they not also have to acknowledge the racists in their midst?

The Republican leadership must be made accountable-- they must publicly acknowledge the racist elements in the GOP, repudiate them, and expel them.

And the NAACP should feel perfectly fine issuing the same kind of statement about the Republicans-- or any party that includes racists.

Who are you referring to? Which GOP leaders would you say are racist? I see Bad Craziness but not racism.

156 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 8:51:41pm

re: #154 Mich-again

Don't know your age,
but I'd guess very short attention spans.

157 zora  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 8:52:21pm

re: #139 CuriousLurker

i just saved that movie on my netflix list. just that clip gave me chills.

158 Casual Talker  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 8:54:18pm

re: #155 Dark_Falcon

Who are you referring to? Which GOP leaders would you say are racist? I see Bad Craziness but not racism.

Wasn't Scott Brown throwing shout-outs to racists in the run up to his election. I think I remember reading about that anyway.

159 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 8:55:43pm

re: #151 palomino

They may do OK in the 2010 midterms, but they have no chance of being a dominant political force in the long run. Demographics, urbanization and mathematics are all against them.

What are you talking about? How could they possibly lose when there are such great and talented musical composers on their side?

See?

160 Gus  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 8:56:54pm

re: #159 Slumbering Behemoth

What are you talking about? How could they possibly lose when there are such great and talented musical composers on their side?

[Video]See?

Wait! Wait... Without playing let me guess...

Pat Boone?

161 aurelius  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 8:56:56pm

re: #155 Dark_Falcon

Who are you referring to? Which GOP leaders would you say are racist? I see Bad Craziness but not racism.

It slips out... George Allen, Trent Lott-- but I mean not just the leadership but the rank and file too, like these idiots at the tea part rallies.

162 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 8:57:58pm

re: #157 zora

i just saved that movie on my netflix list. just that clip gave me chills.

It's just as band as the trailer protrays. The hanging you see in the trailer? They make the handmaids pull the rope, and the condemned is hoisted, not dropped. That kind of hanging takes several very painful minutes to die from.

163 Mich-again  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 8:57:59pm

re: #155 Dark_Falcon

Having worked my entire career among a blue collar union workforce who are militantly democratic when it comes to politics, I can assure you that the GOP does not have a monopoly on racism. Its even silly for someone to try to make that point. Ignorance has no party affiliation.

164 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 8:57:59pm

re: #160 Gus 802

Nope. It's a brand new release. So awesome.

165 CuriousLurker  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 8:58:07pm

re: #157 zora

i just saved that movie on my netflix list. just that clip gave me chills.

I never even thought to look for it on Netflix. I'd like to watch it again, so thanks for mentioning that!

The whole thing is Taibanesque. Watching the trailer, even all these years later, still makes me feel like I can't breathe.

166 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 8:58:29pm

re: #163 Mich-again

Having worked my entire career among a blue collar union workforce who are militantly democratic when it comes to politics, I can assure you that the GOP does not have a monopoly on racism. Its even silly for someone to try to make that point. Ignorance has no party affiliation.

Quite Concur.

167 zora  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 8:59:21pm

re: #159 Slumbering Behemoth

wow. couldn't make it past 58 sec.

168 Gus  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:00:36pm

re: #164 Slumbering Behemoth

Nope. It's a brand new release. So awesome.

Right. A jeeze. Such highly political music. Talk about the deus ex machina. Boring! ;-)

169 jamesfirecat  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:00:40pm

re: #167 zora

wow. couldn't make it past 58 sec.

Stronger man than me 34 seconds.

The sad thing is that I think that's a beat written entirely for this song and it probably could be good if it had some SANE lyrics written to it...

170 CuriousLurker  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:01:39pm

Crap, for some reason none of the videos are working for me in Firefox. Eh, I don't feel like trying to clear my cache or troubleshoot things right now, so I guess I'll just copy the links.

171 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:01:57pm

re: #167 zora

wow. couldn't make it past 58 sec.

Oh, but that's when it starts getting really good.

172 Mich-again  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:02:00pm

re: #156 Floral Giraffe

Don't know your age,
but I'd guess very short attention spans.


There are dozens of Shoop da Whoop remakes of other videos on YT. They crack me up. The one set to the Persian Messenger scene in "The 300" is my favorite.

173 zora  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:02:41pm

re: #171 Slumbering Behemoth

i'll take your word for it.

174 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:02:52pm

re: #159 Slumbering Behemoth

re: #163 Mich-again

Having worked my entire career among a blue collar union workforce who are militantly democratic when it comes to politics, I can assure you that the GOP does not have a monopoly on racism. Its even silly for someone to try to make that point. Ignorance has no party affiliation.

They don't have a monoply on racism, they just are far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far
more likely to use it as a pervasive political strategy


The difference, in the simplest english I can come up with:

Racism in the Democratic party: disorganized, not mobilized as a focused political strategy, racist in many directions, very little agreement.

Racism in the Republican party: organized, utilized and as long-term political strategy


Where do you think these Tea Party people come from> You think they're independents? Did they come from space? Are they coming out of the center of the earth? no

They're a sizable chunk of the activist GOP base, and they're all pissed off because their party lost and a black guy's president. And there's currently weak leadership in the GOP, so they're ascendent. They're the result of decades of the southern strategy. The GOP created a monster, and now the monster's too big to stop.

175 Cato the Elder  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:02:59pm

More Whedon-speak.

From "Shindig":

Harrow: "I know him. And I think he's a psychotic lowlife."

Mal: "And I think calling him that is an insult to the psychotic lowlife community."

"Safe":

Book: "What are we up to, sweetheart?"

River: "Fixing your Bible."

Book: "I, um...(alarmed)...what?"

River: "Bible's broken. Contradictions, false logistics - doesn't make sense." (she's marked up the bible, crossed out passages)

Book: "No, no. You - you can't...

River: "So we'll integrate non-progressional evolution theory with God's creation of Eden. Eleven inherent metaphoric parallels already there. Eleven. Important number. Prime number. One goes into the house of eleven eleven times, but always comes out one. Noah's ark is a problem."

Book: "Really?"

River: "We'll have to call it early quantum state phenomenon. Only way to fit 5000 species of mammal on the same boat." (rips out page)

"Out of Gas":

Mal: "Looks can be deceiving."

Jayne: "Not as deceiving as a lowdown, dirty... deceiver."

Mal: "Well said. Wasn't that well said, Zoe?"

Zoe: "Had a kind of poetry to it, sir."

"Objects in Space":

Wash: "Little River just gets more colorful by the moment. What'll she do next?"

Zoe: "Either blow us all up or rub soup in our hair. It's a toss-up."

Wash: "I hope she does the soup thing. It's always a hoot, and we don't all die from it."

[...]

Mal: "But she does have an oddness to her. And I ain't just talking about her proficiency with firearms. Girl knows things. Things she shouldn't. Things she couldn't."

Jayne: "Wha-...are you-are you sayin' she's a witch?"

Wash: (sarcastically) "Yes, Jayne. She's a witch. She has had congress with the beast."

Jayne: "She's in Congress?"

Wash: (amazed) "How did your brain even learn human speech? I'm just so curious."

176 aurelius  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:03:33pm

guess that's true... Democrats must be held to the same standard too.

re: #163 Mich-again

Having worked my entire career among a blue collar union workforce who are militantly democratic when it comes to politics, I can assure you that the GOP does not have a monopoly on racism. Its even silly for someone to try to make that point. Ignorance has no party affiliation.

177 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:03:35pm

re: #168 Gus 802

Right. A jeeze. Such highly political music. Talk about the deus ex machina. Boring! ;-)

You found no entertainment value in that at all? Shoot, it had me in stitches the whole time.

178 Spare O'Lake  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:04:02pm

re: #163 Mich-again

Having worked my entire career among a blue collar union workforce who are militantly democratic when it comes to politics, I can assure you that the GOP does not have a monopoly on racism. Its even silly for someone to try to make that point. Ignorance has no party affiliation.

The Dems will play the race card whenever and wherever possible, in their cynical and desperate play to cling to power.

179 jamesfirecat  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:04:04pm

re: #175 Cato the Elder

More Whedon-speak.

From "Shindig":

God bless firefly, so many great lines,

I'll be in my bunk!

180 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:04:45pm

re: #174 WindUpBird

man that's some bad grammar, oh well, threads move fast :D

181 jamesfirecat  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:04:46pm

re: #173 zora

i'll take your word for it.

Here, here's something that a sane person can listen to and enjoy!

182 William Barnett-Lewis  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:04:59pm

re: #143 Brew Dad

Aww crap. You've introduced me to tvtropes.org. I don't know if I should love you or hate you now...

You're welcome ;)

Now look up your favorite show there & go down the rabbit hole of all the tropes used in it :D

183 sagehen  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:05:18pm

re: #155 Dark_Falcon

Who are you referring to? Which GOP leaders would you say are racist? I see Bad Craziness but not racism.


I don't know that Congressman Westmoreland (R-GA) counts as a leader, but he called then-candidate Obama "uppity". When the reporter asked if he was sure that was the word he wanted he said "yeah, uppity."

And then denied that there was anything racial about his dislike for the candidate and his wife.

184 jamesfirecat  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:06:26pm

re: #178 Spare O'Lake

The Dems will play the race card whenever and wherever possible, in their cynical and desperate play to cling to power.

Classy for you to just say that without providing any examples.

185 Gus  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:06:36pm

re: #177 Slumbering Behemoth

You found no entertainment value in that at all? Shoot, it had me in stitches the whole time.

Some of the lines are pretty funny: Look down your nose at the peasants below/I've got some news, we're taking names/We're waiting now for the judgment day. Right, teabagging for the peasantry and waiting for rapture -- astroturfing by Dick Armey. (cough) Here's the complete lyrics:

Pay no attention to the people in the street
Crying out for accountability
Make a joke of what we believe
Say we don't matter 'cause you disagree
Pretend you're kings, sit on your throne
Look down your nose at the peasants below

I've got some news, we're taking names
We're waiting now for the judgment day

I am America, one voice, united we stand
I am America, one hope to heal our land

There is still work that must be done
I will not rest until we've won

I am America

You preach your tolerance, but lecture me
Is there no end to your own hypocrisy
Your god is power, you have no shame
Your only interest is political gain

You hide your eyes and refuse to listen
You play your games and abuse the system
You stuff your pockets while Rome is burning
I've got a feeling that the tide is turning

I will not give up on this fight
I will not fade into the light, I am America

You stuff your pockets while Rome is burning
I've got a feeling that the tide is turning

I am America, one voice, united we stand
I am America, one hope to heal our land

I will not give up on this fight
I will not fade into the light, I am America

186 Stanghazi  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:07:00pm

re: #178 Spare O'Lake

The Dems will play the race card whenever and wherever possible, in their cynical and desperate play to cling to power.

Dems always play the race card.

Yep. That's it Spare, you never disappoint.

You didn't read the post did you?

187 palomino  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:07:32pm

re: #159 Slumbering Behemoth

What are you talking about? How could they possibly lose when there are such great and talented musical composers on their side?


[Video]

See?

Wow, that is truly awful. It may be even worse than this atrocious bit of anthem making.

188 Gus  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:08:14pm

re: #178 Spare O'Lake

The Dems will play the race card whenever and wherever possible, in their cynical and desperate play to cling to power.

Chicken and the egg.

Which came first? Racism or the race card?

Answer? Racism.

Without racism, and in general, there would be no race cards.

189 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:08:41pm

re: #178 Spare O'Lake

The Dems will play the race card whenever and wherever possible, in their cynical and desperate play to cling to power.

lol is this from Ann Coulter's latest book, GUILTREASOLANDER!!! HOW DEMONCRATS CLING TO POWER BY THEIR FILTHY FILTHY FINGERNAILS DESPERATELY VICIOUSLY MANIPULATING THE DARK SKINNED MAN WHO TOTALLY SHOULD VOTE REPUBLICAN DON'T WORRY WE HAVE THEIR BEST INTERESTS IN MIND

190 Nimed  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:08:47pm

re: #185 Gus 802

I was just about to post that. Beaten to the punch... :|

191 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:08:48pm

re: #185 Gus 802

You hide your eyes and refuse to listen
You play your games and abuse the system
You stuff your pockets while Rome is burning
I've got a feeling that the tide is turning

That was my favorite part right there. Fools. You're supposed to fiddle while Rome burns, not stuff you pockets with what I would assume is flammable material.

192 aurelius  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:09:34pm

I think you're right about the Democratic party-- though all the more reason to aggressively root out racism so it does not become organized.

Why shouldn't Democratic leadership be held publicly accountable for any racists in the party (eg among the southern democrats)?

Make anybody who allows racists at any level in their organiztion sweat.

That's how change will come.

Maybe then something good will come of this Tea Party business-- a new higher standard to which all political parties are held.

Granted it will affect some parties more than others, but let's not fuck around.
re: #174 WindUpBird

re: #163 Mich-again


They don't have a monoply on racism, they just are far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far
more likely to use it as a pervasive political strategy


The difference, in the simplest english I can come up with:

Racism in the Democratic party: disorganized, not mobilized as a focused political strategy, racist in many directions, very little agreement.

Racism in the Republican party: organized, utilized and as long-term political strategy


Where do you think these Tea Party people come from> You think they're independents? Did they come from space? Are they coming out of the center of the earth? no

They're a sizable chunk of the activist GOP base, and they're all pissed off because their party lost and a black guy's president. And there's currently weak leadership in the GOP, so they're ascendent. They're the result of decades of the southern strategy. The GOP created a monster, and now the monster's too big to stop.

193 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:09:47pm

re: #187 palomino

Wow, that is truly awful. It may be even worse than this atrocious bit of anthem making.

Which bit of anthem making? You can't tease me with cheese and not give me a link.

194 jamesfirecat  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:10:08pm

re: #191 Slumbering Behemoth

That was my favorite part right there. Fools. You're supposed to fiddle while Rome burns, not stuff you pockets with what I would assume is flammable material.

You fool everyone knows that GOLLLLLLLD can't catch fire!

195 Gus  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:10:25pm

re: #190 Nimed

I was just about to post that. Beaten to the punch... :|

Sorry. But yeah, they have their own version of the race card too. It could be called the "reverse race card." It comes with a dog whistle.

196 Stanghazi  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:10:35pm

re: #188 Gus 802

Chicken and the egg.

Which came first? Racism or the race card?

Answer? Racism.

Without racism, and in general, there would be no race cards.

I'm so out of here.

Spare is one of the most intolerant people I've seen on this blog, and-a-here-he comes to share his compassion with the rest of us.

Have a good night folks!

197 Mich-again  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:11:10pm

re: #174 WindUpBird
Sure, but the Redneck Democrat contingency is a huge part of the Democratic voting bloc and everyone likes to pretend it doesn't exist. As long as they keep paying their union dues and keep pulling the straight-ticket lever for the D's.

I believe that the significant portion of union dues that are spent for political purposes should be disqualified as a deduction for income taxes. Then the rank and file's true colors would show. Its ridiculous really. If you write a check for Candidate X's political campaign, its not deductible. But if you pay union dues and the union sends a check to Candidate X, then Voila! its deductible.

198 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:11:11pm

re: #189 WindUpBird

I am totally in love with the subscript tag now, I have a new toy

gaze upon windupbird and despair

199 Gus  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:11:25pm

re: #196 Stanley Sea

I'm so out of here.

Spare is one of the most intolerant people I've seen on this blog, and-a-here-he comes to share his compassion with the rest of us.

Have a good night folks!

Late night Tu quoque.

Later!

200 Cato the Elder  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:11:28pm

re: #185 Gus 802

People who run around saying "I am Napoleon" general qualify for some kind of medical treatment. The same should apply to those who think they're "America".

201 CuriousLurker  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:12:08pm

*follows Sea out the door*

Nite, Lizards!

202 zora  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:13:26pm

re: #153 aurelius

Here's what we need to do.

We need to hold the Republicans to the same standard as the Tea Party. Don't let them get off scot-free.

Why should they not also have to acknowledge the racists in their midst?

The Republican leadership must be made accountable-- they must publicly acknowledge the racist elements in the GOP, repudiate them, and expel them.

And the NAACP should feel perfectly fine issuing the same kind of statement about the Republicans-- or any party that includes racists.

fyi. this is baiting. saw the same thing the other day when he was trying to get someone to cosign that are teapartiers are blond, blue eyed devils or some similar foolishness. re: #163 Mich-again

and i think this is the most measured response to the flame attempt.

michigan:

Having worked my entire career among a blue collar union workforce who are militantly democratic when it comes to politics, I can assure you that the GOP does not have a monopoly on racism. Its even silly for someone to try to make that point. Ignorance has no party affiliation.
203 Nimed  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:13:30pm

re: #178 Spare O'Lake

The Dems will play the race card whenever and wherever possible, in their cynical and desperate play to cling to power.

Not always. I used to play a green-black deck.
Image: Race_Card1.jpg

204 Gus  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:13:31pm

Well, at least we made it the 200s without someone bringing up the New Black Panther Party, Robert Byrd, and "teh NAACP is racist too!"

205 Achilles Tang  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:13:31pm

re: #12 Dark_Falcon

Concur. I've got no use for "Chickenshit stealth dingers" (to quote Salmantis).

Evening. Just checking in before retiring; but where did Sal go??

206 palomino  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:13:47pm

re: #178 Spare O'Lake

The Dems will play the race card whenever and wherever possible, in their cynical and desperate play to cling to power.

Do you even listen to those noble, non-cynical folks on your side of the aisle? Are you blind to the race cards they routinely deal?

There are plenty of race cards being thrown around--don't pretend like it's just Dems. Beck, Limbaugh, Tancredo and King immediately come to mind as folks who consistently play off the fear that some whites have of minorities. Calling Obama a racist; claiming that whites are now in danger because "blacks are emboldened in Obama's America";

207 Mich-again  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:13:56pm

re: #200 Cato the Elder

People who run around saying "I am Napoleon" general qualify for some kind of medical treatment. The same should apply to those who think they're "America".


I'm no Napoleon, but my 15yo says I remind him of Uncle Rico when we throw the football around.

208 jamesfirecat  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:13:59pm

re: #197 Mich-again

Sure, but the Redneck Democrat contingency is a huge part of the Democratic voting bloc and everyone likes to pretend it doesn't exist. As long as they keep paying their union dues and keep pulling the straight-ticket lever for the D's.

I believe that the significant portion of union dues that are spent for political purposes should be disqualified as a deduction for income taxes. Then the rank and file's true colors would show. Its ridiculous really. If you write a check for Candidate X's political campaign, its not deductible. But if you pay union dues and the union sends a check to Candidate X, then Voila! its deductible.

///Ahh Union bashing, always a fun and tasetful subject!

209 Interesting Times  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:14:44pm

re: #200 Cato the Elder

People who run around saying "I am Napoleon" general qualify for some kind of medical treatment. The same should apply to those who think they're "America".

I am America (and so can you!)

210 Spare O'Lake  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:15:19pm

re: #184 jamesfirecat

re: #186 Stanley Sea

Go ahead and pretend that the GOP has a monopoly on racism. You won't fool me and I don't think the electorate will be fooled either.

211 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:15:38pm

re: #186 Stanley Sea

Dems always play the race card.

Yep. That's it Spare, you never disappoint.

You didn't read the post did you?

They do play it frequently. Dems have dubbed GOP calls for tax cuts 'racist' (though Obama has never said something like that). That does not diminish the fact that the GOP does receive most of the votes of those who dislike black people (overly mild, I know).

212 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:15:55pm

re: #197 Mich-again

I absolutely believe that redneck racist un-educated Democrats exist. I've seen them. I've been to the east coast. OH how I've seen them.

The difference is this:

they aren't in charge of the national Democratic Party.

That's the most important point. That's the only point.

213 Mich-again  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:16:05pm

re: #208 jamesfirecat

///Ahh Union bashing, always a fun and tasetful subject!


I'm not bashing unions. I'm bashing the double standard for how they get to claim political contributions as a deduction on their taxes.

214 jamesfirecat  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:16:37pm

re: #204 Gus 802

Well, at least we made it the 200s without someone bringing up the New Black Panther Party, Robert Byrd, and "teh NAACP is racist too!"

Now that Byrd is dead... (he did die a while ago didn't he?) something tells me he's going to stop being brought up. Otherwise it would be perfectly valid to respond to anything said about Robert Byrd with "Well Strom Thurmond..." as they're now both ex-living ex-senators.

215 palomino  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:16:47pm

re: #193 Slumbering Behemoth

Which bit of anthem making? You can't tease me with cheese and not give me a link.

Sorry, total brain fart. You've probably seen this before, but it's a "classic."

216 webevintage  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:17:25pm

re: #178 Spare O'Lake

The Dems will play the race card whenever and wherever possible, in their cynical and desperate play to cling to power.

From an excellent post on Balloon Juice:
"In November we face a choice between the Confederate Party and modernity......

Now the Confederacy controls Nixon’s Party so completely that they would kick Dick out for being a squish. Reagan would get the boot as well.

Today the Confederacy Party wears different Party labels like finely embroidered sheets that glide in the moonlight. The Republican Party is a brand they control, but in the wake of George W. Bush it was a damaged brand. So the Confederate Party did some marketing and came up with yet another name and yet another mask: The Tea Party.

Racism and xenophobia are the core organizing tools, along with old chestnuts like ‘states rights’ and fear of ‘big government’. Appeals to selfishness are also key, but it is quiet racism and fear that holds the blob of hate together. Without racism and fear they have nothing.

That is why the a simple call from the NAACP to condemn racist behavior sent the movement into fits of hysterics. And it is why their almost universal response was to attack the NAACP for pointing out the movement’s tolerance for racism. And that is why the Confederate Party and their leaders responded with fresh examples of racism.

Some were skilled in their response like TeaBagger/Republican movement leader Sarah Palin who used racist dogwhistles to mock the NAACP, others like Tea Party Express leader Mark Williams decided it was just fine to go all in. He published a imagined letter from the NAACP to President Lincoln that was take-your-breath-away blatantly racist. As the heat began to build Williams responded by calling the NAACP a racist organization and then he took down his letter and pretended like it was all good.

It is not....."
[Link: www.balloon-juice.com...]

217 jamesfirecat  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:17:49pm

re: #209 publicityStunted

I am America (and so can you!)

I have it on CD, by which I mean I have it on my Ipod. I wouldn't normally have spent $30 on something like that but its actually READ by Stephen Colbert!

Pretty Awesome right?

218 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:18:02pm

re: #210 Spare O'Lake

re: #186 Stanley Sea

Go ahead and pretend that the GOP has a monopoly on racism. You won't fool me and I don't think the electorate will be fooled either.

Funny, every time this comes up, you always seem to ignore my points on the subject!

Could it be because you know I'm right?

For about the eight thousandth time, my #174.

219 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:18:09pm

re: #194 jamesfirecat

You fool everyone knows that GOLLLD can't catch fire!

Yeah, but Tea Party Patriot Ron Paul told me that the Ivory Tower Elites who look down their noses on peasants like use don't believe in gold. They only believe in paper, Fiat currency. And seriously, why are we even using shitty little Italian cars as a means of commerce? That sounds totally un-America to me.

/wait, what?

220 Mich-again  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:18:17pm

re: #212 WindUpBird

they aren't in charge of the national Democratic Party.

Interesting. So the Captain of the ship is all that matters, not the guys manning the ship. Not a typical point of view from a Dem.

221 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:18:51pm

re: #213 Mich-again

I'm not bashing unions. I'm bashing the double standard for how they get to claim political contributions as a deduction on their taxes.

I like how this discussion on racism can get twisted into EBIL UNIONS WEHHH


It's like zero-degrees-of-separation. "You know, I really don't like what they're doing with the zoning in;" "UNIONS!!1111"

222 jamesfirecat  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:18:53pm

re: #213 Mich-again

I'm not bashing unions. I'm bashing the double standard for how they get to claim political contributions as a deduction on their taxes.

And hey Churches don't pay taxes at all and yet some of them deny members communion if they vote for the "wrong" candidate!

That's totally fair, right?

223 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:19:59pm

re: #215 palomino

So. Awesome.

224 Gus  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:21:01pm

Guess this morphed into Dems. vs. Reps.

225 jamesfirecat  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:21:31pm

re: #224 Gus 802

Guess this morphed into Dems. vs. Reps.

Yeah the partisan levels are reaching dangerous levels, GET THESE POSTERS A NEW THREAD, STAT!

226 Nimed  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:21:31pm

re: #210 Spare O'Lake

re: #186 Stanley Sea

Go ahead and pretend that the GOP has a monopoly on racism. You won't fool me and I don't think the electorate will be fooled either.

Maybe not a monopoly. Fair is fair -- let's call it the MS Windows of racism.

Image: operating-system-market-share1.jpg

XP+Vista, it goes without saying.

227 Mich-again  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:22:01pm

re: #222 jamesfirecat

And hey Churches don't pay taxes at all and yet some of them deny members communion if they vote for the "wrong" candidate!

That's totally fair, right?

Are Churches allowed to write checks to political campaigns? I was under the impression that was not allowed. I could be wrong.

228 Nimed  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:23:21pm

re: #217 jamesfirecat

I have it on CD, by which I mean I have it on my Ipod. I wouldn't normally have spent $30 on something like that but its actually READ by Stephen Colbert!

Pretty Awesome right?

Right. Oh, was that rhetorical?

229 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:23:27pm

re: #220 Mich-again

Interesting. So the Captain of the ship is all that matters, not the guys manning the ship. Not a typical point of view from a Dem.

hahaha what is this goofy crap


Look. I vote for people. I don't vote for rednek racist union guy, I vote for Obama. I vote for Blumehauer. I vote for Gary Locke. I vote for Kitzhaber. I vote for Wyden. Some guy drilling into sheet metal for twenty bucks an hour is not affecting the direction of this country, I don't care who he hates.

When you have a PARTY whose strategy to gain and keep power is racist and beholden to southern tribalism, they attract and then represent those people. And those people, the core of those people, is the Tea Party. That's where they come from.


How is this so hard to get?

230 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:23:44pm

re: #224 Gus 802

Happens every time I show up and post an unintentionally hilarious or flat out awful music video. Honestly, I don't know why I even bother. :sigh:

231 palomino  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:23:58pm

re: #210 Spare O'Lake

re: #186 Stanley Sea

Go ahead and pretend that the GOP has a monopoly on racism. You won't fool me and I don't think the electorate will be fooled either.

You're moving the goal posts. No one said the gop had monopolies on racism. But the suggestion that Dems alone act in a calculated manner with respect to race is manifestly absurd.

Many on the right now believe that the bulk of American racism flows from blacks to whites, and that there's no more need for groups like the NAACP.
Such a view is a history-denying joke, presuming that the last chapter in the history of racism in America was written in 1964.

232 jamesfirecat  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:24:01pm

re: #227 Mich-again

Are Churches allowed to write checks to political campaigns? I was under the impression that was not allowed. I could be wrong.

In denying members communion if they vote a certain way, the church

1: Defies the cherished American past time of the secret ballot.

2: Obviously endorses a political candidate. Aren't we suppose to have a law keeping church and state apart?


The moral of the story here is, you don't like Organized Labor, well I don't like Organized Religion, so we both look down on the other sides supporters!

233 jamesfirecat  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:24:42pm

re: #228 Nimed

Right. Oh, was that rhetorical?

Not really, I was hoping more lizards would shower me with praise at the idea of having three hours worth of Stephen Colbert on CD/computer/Ipod to listen to....

234 Spare O'Lake  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:24:57pm

re: #218 WindUpBird

Funny, every time this comes up, you always seem to ignore my points on the subject!

Could it be because you know I'm right?

For about the eight thousandth time, my #174.

I hate racism and I hate hypocrisy.
America is riddled with institutional racism, folks, so why not stop pretending that the TP/GOP racism is all that matters?

235 Gus  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:25:30pm

re: #230 Slumbering Behemoth

Happens every time I show up and post an unintentionally hilarious or flat out awful music video. Honestly, I don't know why I even bother. :sigh:

Oh, it wasn't because of that. The egg was laid in 153.

236 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:25:37pm

re: #227 Mich-again

Are Churches allowed to write checks to political campaigns? I was under the impression that was not allowed. I could be wrong.

No, they just pack people into their giant arenasized megachurches, organize and advocate en masse for Republican candidates

JUSTICE....

SUNDAYSUNDAYSUNDAYSUNDAYSUNDAYSUNDAYSUNDAY
SUNDAYSUNDAYSUNDAYSUNDAYSUNDAYSUNDAYSUNDAY


The first Justice Sunday, subtitled "Stopping the Filibuster Against People of Faith," was organized primarily to protest a perceived bias on the part of the Federal Judiciary of the United States. The organizers hoped to provoke large numbers of evangelical Christians to place pressure on U.S. Senators to bring an end to the filibuster of nominees to the Federal Judiciary made by President George W. Bush. Their web site featured a letter dated April 20, 2005, four days before the event took place, which sought to assuage churches' fears of challenges to their tax-exempt status under laws prohibiting political activity by tax-exempt churches [1]. The two sponsoring organizations did not choose to sponsor the program directly, but did so through their legally separate lobbying organizations FRC Action [2] and Focus on the Family Action [3].

The nationally televised event took place at Highview Baptist Church in Louisville, Kentucky. The program featured James Dobson, R. Albert Mohler, Jr., Watergate-figure-turned-evangelical Charles Colson and, via videotape, Republican U.S. Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist.


Memories, I has them

237 Interesting Times  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:25:58pm

re: #227 Mich-again

Are Churches allowed to write checks to political campaigns? I was under the impression that was not allowed. I could be wrong.

They can certainly write checks to their pet causes: Mormons Bankroll Anti–Gay Marriage Amendments in California, Arizona

238 Mich-again  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:26:32pm

re: #221 WindUpBird

I like how this discussion on racism can get twisted into EBIL UNIONS WEHHH

I specifically said my objection was with how they get to subsidize political campaigns with union dues that are tax deductible. What if deductible Church contributions were used to fund political campaigns. Thats not allowed under the law, but it would be the same situation.

239 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:26:34pm

re: #234 Spare O'Lake

I hate racism and I hate hypocrisy.
America is riddled with institutional racism, folks, so why not stop pretending that the TP/GOP racism is all that matters?

If you want me to be the surrogate target for your displeasure at the direction LGF's posts have taken, I'm happy to oblige you

240 Obdicut  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:26:40pm

re: #234 Spare O'Lake

I hate racism and I hate hypocrisy.
America is riddled with institutional racism, folks, so why not stop pretending that the TP/GOP racism is all that matters?

Nobody is doing that.

241 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:26:47pm

re: #235 Gus 802

Oh, I know the blatant partisan bickering has nothing to do with me. I was just being silly.

242 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:26:57pm

re: #238 Mich-again

I specifically said my objection was with how they get to subsidize political campaigns with union dues that are tax deductible. What if deductible Church contributions were used to fund political campaigns. Thats not allowed under the law, but it would be the same situation.

#236

243 webevintage  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:27:01pm

I think it is important to point out that the NAACP did not say that the Tea Party movement was racist. Instead they ask that the folks in the Tea Party movement not tolerate racism within their movement.

Not really such a horrible thing for the NAACP to do and like INC said it really is their job.
And it would have been so much easier if a few leaders of some of these TP groups had just said "we agree with the NAACP and we abhor racism and it has no place, no place within our movement."

244 Gus  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:27:16pm

re: #241 Slumbering Behemoth

Oh, I know the blatant partisan bickering has nothing to do with me. I was just being silly.

Got any Lee Greenwood?

//

245 Spare O'Lake  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:27:20pm

re: #229 WindUpBird

Because it's unadulterated horse crap?

246 jamesfirecat  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:27:36pm

re: #238 Mich-again

I specifically said my objection was with how they get to subsidize political campaigns with union dues that are tax deductible. What if deductible Church contributions were used to fund political campaigns. Thats not allowed under the law, but it would be the same situation.

What about the Prop 8 example brought up?

Yes not a political campaign, but clearly political all the same....

247 Obdicut  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:28:17pm

re: #245 Spare O'Lake

Because it's unadulterated horse crap?

Did the Southern Strategy exist, in your world?

248 Mich-again  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:28:59pm

re: #236 WindUpBird

No, they just pack people into their giant arenasized megachurches, organize and advocate en masse for Republican candidates

Well its a good thing that sort of crap never happens in a Church where Democrats attend! yeah right.

249 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:29:08pm

re: #244 Gus 802

I don't know who Lee is, but I usually save my best stuff for when RacerX is here.

250 jamesfirecat  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:29:09pm

re: #247 Obdicut

Did the Southern Strategy exist, in your world?

Have you heard about the evil North Eastern Strategy that the Democrats came up with in the late 60's?

251 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:29:26pm

re: #245 Spare O'Lake

Because it's unadulterated horse crap?

Wow, get a load of the Canadian talking about the Southern Strategy not existing

252 Gus  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:29:35pm

re: #246 jamesfirecat

What about the Prop 8 example brought up?

Yes not a political campaign, but clearly political all the same...

Speaking of which. They have very long tentacles:

LDS official did have role in Argentina gay-marriage battle

253 Achilles Tang  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:29:44pm

re: #227 Mich-again

Are Churches allowed to write checks to political campaigns? I was under the impression that was not allowed. I could be wrong.

They are not allowed to endorse candidates, but we all know how loosey loosey that interpretation can be; even the supreme court thinks corporations have the same rights as individuals, without requiring shareholder consent.

254 jamesfirecat  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:29:54pm

re: #248 Mich-again

Well its a good thing that sort of crap never happens in a Church where Democrats attend! yeah right.

Of course it does to some extent, it's just much more obvious when you have a much bigger church.

255 Gus  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:30:33pm

re: #251 WindUpBird

Wow, get a load of the Canadian talking about the Southern Strategy not existing

Hey! The Southern Strategy was about state's rights!

//I am Napoleon.

//

256 Obdicut  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:30:36pm

re: #252 Gus 802

They're still meddling. Geez.

I'm not sure they realized how deeply they damaged the reputation of the Mormons among an entire generation-- and more-- of Californians.

257 darthstar  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:30:40pm

re: #244 Gus 802

Got any Lee Greenwood?

//

And I'm proud to be white American,
Where the police ignore me,
And I won't forget to tip the staff,
That clean my rooms for me.
And I'd gladly call up immigration,
And report their souls for free...
//

258 webevintage  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:30:47pm

re: #251 WindUpBird

Wow, get a load of the Canadian talking about the Southern Strategy not existing

is this some new Republican talking point that the Southern Strategy is a myth?

259 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:30:59pm

re: #248 Mich-again

Well its a good thing that sort of crap never happens in a Church where Democrats attend! yeah right.

It actually doesn't.

You find me an organized enormous Democratic religious movement on the par with evangelicals, Dobson, Focus on the Family, that has continued access to the white house the way these megachurch/FotF/Family Research guys had to the Republican administration.

260 zora  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:31:25pm

re: #232

The moral of the story here is, you don't like Organized Labor, well I don't like Organized Religion, so we both look down on the other sides supporters!

or this.

re: #213 Mich-again

... double standard for how they get to claim political contributions as a deduction on their taxes.

261 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:32:13pm

re: #252 Gus 802

I defend my mormon friends against the barbs of people who just want to tee off on them with cheap shots, and it just so happens my mormon friends despise the organized anti-gay thrust of the LDS church as much as I do.

262 jamesfirecat  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:33:18pm

re: #260 zora

The moral of the story here is, you don't like Organized Labor, well I don't like Organized Religion, so we both look down on the other sides supporters!

or this.

re: #213 Mich-again

... double standard for how they get to claim political contributions as a deduction on their taxes.

Well I think there is a double standard in that Churches pay no taxes at all, and yet are able to stick their fingers into the political process that they should be keeping a strictly hands off approach to.

263 Gus  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:33:45pm

re: #261 WindUpBird

I defend my mormon friends against the barbs of people who just want to tee off on them with cheap shots, and it just so happens my mormon friends despise the organized anti-gay thrust of the LDS church as much as I do.

Right. Well, you know, church leadership in most all denominations does not always reflect the flock.

264 Achilles Tang  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:33:56pm

I'm still hoping to hear what went wrong re Salamantis. Did I miss a catfight that hurt him to the core?

I'd be disappointed if that was all it took.

265 Nimed  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:34:29pm

re: #234 Spare O'Lake

I hate racism and I hate hypocrisy.
America is riddled with institutional racism, folks, so why not stop pretending that the TP/GOP racism is all that matters?

This question is so weird. You're asking something akin to "Racism is everywhere, so why criticize specific instances of it?".

Take a second look at the post:

Mark Williams is the same man who has denounced Barack Obama as “Indonesian Muslim” and a “welfare thug.”

Williams is a representative of a fairly large political movement. He has made numerous guest appearances on national TV. Are you really asking why does he deserve to be denounced?

266 Spare O'Lake  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:34:47pm

re: #240 Obdicut

Nobody is doing that.

What I see a lot of here is a pretence that Dem racism is harmless and innocuous, while GOP racism is so awful and pervasive that the GOP is completely rotten and beyond redemption.

267 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:34:58pm

re: #258 webevintage

is this some new Republican talking point that the Southern Strategy is a myth?

I don't know, my guess is it's more that Spare is grumpy that we don't talk about Radical Islam every day and how it's going to swallow the earth here, and he's taking it out on the posters who are actually discussing racism in a thread about...racism.

268 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:35:00pm

re: #203 Nimed

Not always. I used to play a green-black deck.
Image: Race_Card1.jpg

Speaking of gaming, D&D has a new version out of the "Tomb of Horrors" adventure book. The next to last portion takes place in the "Tomb of Dead Gods", I'm thinking of using it for some political satire. The first encounter is in a tomb of god of justice and mercy who killed a huge demon and defeated one evil God before being killed by Orkus (one of the game's "big bads". When you are in the chamber, you are attacks by images come to life of Orkus and the other evil god. What do folks think about a god of blog civility who is slain by Dorkus, price of Blogstalking?

269 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:35:03pm

re: #247 Obdicut

Hooray, Obdi's here!
*waves*

270 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:35:21pm

re: #263 Gus 802

Right. Well, you know, church leadership in most all denominations does not always reflect the flock.

Absolutely agree!

271 palomino  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:35:51pm

re: #210 Spare O'Lake

re: #186 Stanley Sea

Go ahead and pretend that the GOP has a monopoly on racism. You won't fool me and I don't think the electorate will be fooled either.


Actually it's the GOP that should be worried about race in the long term. By letting Palin, Beck, and teabaggers become the spokespeople for the party, they've essentially given up on minority voters in the foreseeable future. This means the GOP is competing for a shrinking piece of the pie.

The US becomes about 0.5% less white each year. Over a few decades, such a change is huge--by 2040, whites, now 68% of the population, will be less than 50%. That's right: a majority of Americans won't even be "real Americans." And it doesn't bode well for the teabaggers, or the party that panders to them.

272 Mich-again  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:36:18pm

re: #259 WindUpBird

You find me an organized enormous Democratic religious movement on the par with evangelicals, Dobson, Focus on the Family, that has continued access to the white house the way these megachurch/FotF/Family Research guys had to the Republican administration.

Here. Read about them in Ebony Magazine. The new mega churches: huge congregations with spectacular structures spread across the U.S - African American congregations and churches - Statistical Data Included

273 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:36:27pm

re: #264 Naso Tang

I think he got tired of the creatonism criticism.
He's not banned, just not posting.
I miss him too.

274 Achilles Tang  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:37:36pm

re: #261 WindUpBird

I defend my mormon friends against the barbs of people who just want to tee off on them with cheap shots, and it just so happens my mormon friends despise the organized anti-gay thrust of the LDS church as much as I do.

I don't know what is cheap about chuckling at disappearing golden tablets, but I presume that they have reduced their contributions in accordance with what was spent on this "thrust"./

275 jamesfirecat  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:38:16pm

re: #266 Spare O'Lake

What I see a lot of here is a pretence that Dem racism is harmless and innocuous, while GOP racism is so awful and pervasive that the GOP is completely rotten and beyond redemption.

Dem Racism seems to the most part be confined to certain unplesant voters while GOP racism can be seen in the people who actually get elected/appointed by the part.

And before anyone says it

"light skinned" African-American "with no Negro dialect, unless he wanted to have one"

Is not a racist comment, it's an observation of one particular persons speaking patterns, we're not gonna play that one out all over again!

276 Gus  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:38:46pm

re: #273 Floral Giraffe

I think he got tired of the creatonism criticism.
He's not banned, just not posting.
I miss him too.

No, not creationism. AGW.

277 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:38:49pm

re: #264 Naso Tang

I'm still hoping to hear what went wrong re Salamantis. Did I miss a catfight that hurt him to the core?

I'd be disappointed if that was all it took.

It is my understanding that he did not care for the direction LGF was taking on the AGW issue, and thus took his leave.

If I am wrong on that, someone please correct me.

278 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:38:52pm

re: #225 jamesfirecat

Yeah the partisan levels are reaching dangerous levels, GET THESE POSTERS A NEW THREAD, STAT!

Yep, when when those on the right fight their own corner, "partisan levels are reaching dangerous levels". Because we all know that conservatives are close minded and can never be justly defending themselves.

/dripping

279 William Barnett-Lewis  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:38:58pm

re: #268 Dark_Falcon

Speaking of gaming, D&D has a new version out of the "Tomb of Horrors" adventure book. The next to last portion takes place in the "Tomb of Dead Gods", I'm thinking of using it for some political satire. The first encounter is in a tomb of god of justice and mercy who killed a huge demon and defeated one evil God before being killed by Orkus (one of the game's "big bads". When you are in the chamber, you are attacks by images come to life of Orkus and the other evil god. What do folks think about a god of blog civility who is slain by Dorkus, price of Blogstalking?

Dude that's beyond geeky. I.Love.It.

BTW, have you checked out Pathfinder RPG? Licensed 3.5 with the worst bugs patched. I'm becoming very fond of it. NG Rouge/Sorcerer anyone?

280 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:39:00pm

re: #268 Dark_Falcon

Hail to the Geek

281 Achilles Tang  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:39:14pm

re: #273 Floral Giraffe

I think he got tired of the creatonism criticism.
He's not banned, just not posting.
I miss him too.

I'm confused. Do you mean bored? He was no creationist.

282 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:39:15pm

re: #276 Gus 802

No, not creationism. AGW.

I stand corrected.
He was an awesome troll fighter.

283 Obdicut  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:39:16pm

re: #266 Spare O'Lake

What I see a lot of here is a pretence that Dem racism is harmless and innocuous, while GOP racism is so awful and pervasive that the GOP is completely rotten and beyond redemption.

Well, you're engaging in a fantasy, then.

There really is a lot of racism coming from the right-wing and the GOP right now. A lot. Far more, far far far far more, than is coming at all from the left and the Democrats. Charles has documented it quite thoroughly. The law in Arizona was co-written by a goddamn white supremacist, for the love of mike.

It's not that racism from Democrats is harmless, it's that it is not an organized political tactic on the part of the Democrats at large.

It's not that racism from Democrats is harmless, it's that the Tea Party spokesman is a goddamn racist shithead of unbelievable proportions.

It's not that racism from the Democrats is harmless, it's that a nothing story like the Black Panther case becomes all the rage for fucking weeks-- precisely because it involves black people.

The two possible scenarios are not: Either both parties equally racist OR one party perfect, other party bad. The real situation is that as of right now, the GOP and associated elements on the right are goddamn reveling in their racism, and using it as a conscious, foul, obvious political strategy. The Democrats are not.

Damn.

284 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:39:17pm

re: #266 Spare O'Lake

What I see a lot of here is a pretence that Dem racism is harmless and innocuous, while GOP racism is so awful and pervasive that the GOP is completely rotten and beyond redemption.

Not harmless, but not a focused political strategy. Not a focused thrust of an entire party to dog-whistle tribalist panic.

And I said last thread that the GOP is not beyond redemption.It just needs to ditch the southern strategy, because they're poisoning their party. I've VOTED FOR REPUBLICANS, for chrissake. Oregon ones. That make sense.

Would you like me to help you with that straw man? Seems awfully heavy.

285 Mich-again  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:39:19pm

re: #271 palomino

Actually it's the GOP that should be worried about race in the long term. By letting Palin, Beck, and teabaggers become the spokespeople for the party, they've essentially given up on minority voters in the foreseeable future. This means the GOP is competing for a shrinking piece of the pie.

An excellent point. More reason for the GOP to distance itself from the Tea Party. But there is a good reason the GOP is commonly referred to as the Stupid Party, so I wouldn't hold my breath.

286 jamesfirecat  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:40:12pm

re: #271 palomino

Actually it's the GOP that should be worried about race in the long term. By letting Palin, Beck, and teabaggers become the spokespeople for the party, they've essentially given up on minority voters in the foreseeable future. This means the GOP is competing for a shrinking piece of the pie.

The US becomes about 0.5% less white each year. Over a few decades, such a change is huge--by 2040, whites, now 68% of the population, will be less than 50%. That's right: a majority of Americans won't even be "real Americans." And it doesn't bode well for the teabaggers, or the party that panders to them.

Yay, by that point, we white people will finally get to experience what it means to effectively be a minority!

287 Obdicut  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:40:24pm
288 freetoken  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:40:26pm

re: #277 Slumbering Behemoth

My impression at the time was that it had more to do with personalities that ideologies.

289 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:40:27pm

re: #273 Floral Giraffe

I think he got tired of the creatonism criticism.
He's not banned, just not posting.
I miss him too.

What, were we not being hard enough in our criticism of creationism for him?
/

290 Obdicut  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:40:46pm

re: #287 Obdicut

I reversed my HTML. Fuck.

SomethingAwful reviews Tomb of Horrors.

291 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:40:55pm

re: #272 Mich-again

Here. Read about them in Ebony Magazine. The new mega churches: huge congregations with spectacular structures spread across the U.S - African American congregations and churches - Statistical Data Included

And do their leaders have the pull that white evangelical leaders do?

Who's the Dem preacher with the pull of Dobson?

With the pull of Robertson?

Who can mobilize a national event like Justice Sunday?

292 zora  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:42:02pm

re: #262 jamesfirecat

Well I think there is a double standard in that Churches pay no taxes at all, and yet are able to stick their fingers into the political process that they should be keeping a strictly hands off approach to.


ok. are you also anti-religion? i would guess not. you just want to call out the corruption. great. someone who knows about unions can call them on their shit and not be anti-organized labor.

293 jamesfirecat  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:42:25pm

re: #278 Dark_Falcon

Yep, when when those on the right fight their own corner, "partisan levels are reaching dangerous levels". Because we all know that conservatives are close minded and can never be justly defending themselves.

/dripping

I was more using the measurement that I seem to be cracking fewer jokes and doing more arguing as my measurement for how the partisan levels are at the moment in the Red DF.

//Wait a minuet, IN THE RED? LGF is being taken over by COMMUNISTS!

294 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:42:30pm

Speaking of Bob Hope.. *cough*

295 Achilles Tang  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:42:59pm

re: #286 jamesfirecat

Yay, by that point, we white people will finally get to experience what it means to effectively be a minority!

And the richest minority for some time, along with the additional crap that will bring....

296 Spare O'Lake  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:43:42pm

re: #283 Obdicut

Well, you're engaging in a fantasy, then.

There really is a lot of racism coming from the right-wing and the GOP right now. A lot. Far more, far far far far more, than is coming at all from the left and the Democrats. Charles has documented it quite thoroughly. The law in Arizona was co-written by a goddamn white supremacist, for the love of mike.

It's not that racism from Democrats is harmless, it's that it is not an organized political tactic on the part of the Democrats at large.

It's not that racism from Democrats is harmless, it's that the Tea Party spokesman is a goddamn racist shithead of unbelievable proportions.

It's not that racism from the Democrats is harmless, it's that a nothing story like the Black Panther case becomes all the rage for fucking weeks-- precisely because it involves black people.

The two possible scenarios are not: Either both parties equally racist OR one party perfect, other party bad. The real situation is that as of right now, the GOP and associated elements on the right are goddamn reveling in their racism, and using it as a conscious, foul, obvious political strategy. The Democrats are not.

Damn.

I think you have accurately summed up the Dem meme.

297 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:43:53pm

re: #288 freetoken

My impression at the time was that it had more to do with personalities that ideologies.

It happens some times. Too bad, but whatcha gonna do?

298 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:44:17pm

re: #286 jamesfirecat

Yay, by that point, we white people will finally get to experience what it means to effectively be a minority!

Well, there's a model for that...

299 Nimed  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:44:20pm

re: #268 Dark_Falcon

Speaking of gaming, D&D has a new version out of the "Tomb of Horrors" adventure book. The next to last portion takes place in the "Tomb of Dead Gods", I'm thinking of using it for some political satire. The first encounter is in a tomb of god of justice and mercy who killed a huge demon and defeated one evil God before being killed by Orkus (one of the game's "big bads". When you are in the chamber, you are attacks by images come to life of Orkus and the other evil god. What do folks think about a god of blog civility who is slain by Dorkus, price of Blogstalking?

Personal opinion -- the general idea of using D&D material in political satire is awesome, and the Dorkus character was good fun, but there are targets worthier of your time.

300 Obdicut  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:44:27pm

re: #296 Spare O'Lake

I think you have accurately summed up the Dem meme.

Point out what I said that was inaccurate, then. Make an argument and back it up, instead of just sniping.

301 aurelius  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:45:29pm

beat me to it.. I was going to say...

a minority with all the money and reins of power...

hmmm

look out...

re: #298 WindUpBird

Well, there's a model for that...

302 jamesfirecat  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:46:38pm

re: #292 zora

ok. are you also anti-religion? i would guess not. you just want to call out the corruption. great. someone who knows about unions can call them on their shit and not be anti-organized labor.

Nope I am flat out anti religion.

Or at least anti-organized religion.

I believe human spirituality is a woderous amazing special thing that each of us have and should deal with in our own individual way and trying to pour all of our different styles of spirituality into one mold, or a series of molds makes us less able to come to terms with who we really are and what we really believe.

303 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:46:39pm

re: #296 Spare O'Lake

I think you have accurately summed up the Dem meme.

These are just assertions you're making, no calories to them. It's just denial and pushback. It's a car with no engine you're driving here.

304 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:46:59pm

re: #290 Obdicut

I reversed my HTML. Fuck.

SomethingAwful reviews Tomb of Horrors.

I gave the book the once-over at Games Plus today. The living image of Orkus drew my attention. So, to get things started, what shall we name the defeated God of Internet Civility and Decency? And what shall we call the demon he kills and the evil God he defeats and nearly kills before Dorkus kills him.

305 Obdicut  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:47:10pm

re: #301 aurelius

You were going to say what?

What is the attraction with making cryptic posts like this? I don't get it.

306 jamesfirecat  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:47:39pm

re: #296 Spare O'Lake

I think you have accurately summed up the Dem meme.

Just cause it's a meme doesn't mean it isn't true sometimes.

For example, I hear that long cat... actually pretty long for a cat!

307 palomino  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:48:15pm

re: #266 Spare O'Lake

What I see a lot of here is a pretence that Dem racism is harmless and innocuous, while GOP racism is so awful and pervasive that the GOP is completely rotten and beyond redemption.

Here's some Dem racism that no one claimed was innocuous.

The difference is that the entire Dem party leadership treats this stuff as toxic, and won't go anywhere near it.

The GOP, on the other hand, doesn't exactly rush to denounce racism; just witness their placating approach to teabaggers, Beck, Limbaugh et al.

Republicans have essentially written off the minority vote, so they don't have heightened antenna when it comes to this stuff. You know what they say: A white voter in the hand is worth ten imaginary minority voters.

308 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:48:23pm

re: #293 jamesfirecat

I was more using the measurement that I seem to be cracking fewer jokes and doing more arguing as my measurement for how the partisan levels are at the moment in the Red DF.

//Wait a minuet, IN THE RED? LGF is being taken over by COMMUNISTS!

I see. That makes sense. Rebuke withdrawn.

309 Obdicut  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:48:23pm

re: #304 Dark_Falcon

I'm lost already, man.

310 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:49:07pm

re: #305 Obdicut

Attention, maybe?

311 Mich-again  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:49:26pm

re: #291 WindUpBird Well I wouldn't underestimate the influence of the ministers in those Churches. One of them in particular comes to mind when looking at our President's background. But then, true they may not really hold much sway in the political trenches, for the reason that their allegiance to the Democrat party is unquestioned and that they really don't have many "chips" to play. The Democrat leadership knows that voting bloc is solid in the camp, no matter how they actually legislate, so it makes more sense to use the political capital to go after swing voters. All they have to do is show up once during the campaign and shake a few hands and take pictures. OTOH, Dobson might just sit out a campaign, his support is not solid. He holds on to a few chips.

312 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:49:42pm

Namaste, y'all
313 jamesfirecat  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:49:59pm

re: #304 Dark_Falcon

I gave the book the once-over at Games Plus today. The living image of Orkus drew my attention. So, to get things started, what shall we name the defeated God of Internet Civility and Decency? And what shall we call the demon he kills and the evil God he defeats and nearly kills before Dorkus kills him.

The great god MOT-IR-ATE-OAR slayed the evil deamon Trolleon with his might Hammer "BHAN"

314 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:51:02pm

Appatrently Spare O'Lake disagrees with Bush's campaign manager and chairman of the RNC, Ken Mehlman:

Following the re-election of President George W. Bush, Ken Mehlman, Bush's campaign manager and Chairman of the RNC, held several large meetings with African-American business, community, and religious leaders. In his speeches, he apologized for his party's use of the Southern Strategy in the past. When asked about the strategy of using race as an issue to build GOP dominance in the once-Democratic South, Mehlman replied, "Republican candidates often have prospered by ignoring black voters and even by exploiting racial tensions," and, "by the '70s and into the '80s and '90s, the Democratic Party solidified its gains in the African-American community, and we Republicans did not effectively reach out. Some Republicans gave up on winning the African-American vote, looking the other way or trying to benefit politically from racial polarization. I am here today as the Republican chairman to tell you we were wrong."

315 zora  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:51:18pm

re: #302 jamesfirecat

Nope I am flat out anti religion.

Or at least anti-organized religion.

I believe human spirituality is a woderous amazing special thing that each of us have and should deal with in our own individual way and trying to pour all of our different styles of spirituality into one mold, or a series of molds makes us less able to come to terms with who we really are and what we really believe.

good luck of your human spirituality quest then.

316 Obdicut  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:51:40pm

re: #311 Mich-again

Well, that's not entirely true-- the part about 'no matter how Democrats legislate'. Black voter turnout is attuned in a lot of ways to specific voting that affects them. Democrats really have passed a lot of legislation helpful to minority groups. It's not just that the GOP does crappy shit to minorities sometimes, it's also that the Democrats really do represent minority interests, as well. And I think it's definitely a quid-pro-quo, as well.

317 aurelius  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:52:42pm

re: #305 Obdicut

You were going to say what?

What is the attraction with making cryptic posts like this? I don't get it.

meaning I was about to make the same point as the other poster, about South Africa. Hence "beat me to it".

I'm not attracted to cryptic things. enigmatic maybe. Not cryptic.

318 Spare O'Lake  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:52:58pm

re: #300 Obdicut

It's almost 1 a.m. and I plan to be up at dawn for some fishing.
I don't think it would hurt to have a little more balance around here.
Good night.

319 sagehen  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:53:31pm

re: #266 Spare O'Lake

What I see a lot of here is a pretence that Dem racism is harmless and innocuous, while GOP racism is so awful and pervasive that the GOP is completely rotten and beyond redemption.

Every time an example comes up of a Noted Democrat saying something that could be taken as racist, they're embarrassed. They try to walk it back as best they can. When Noted Republicans are called out for saying something racist, they dig in their heels, and they and all their little friends say "no, you're the racist for bringing it up, I'm not the one who brought race into it."

320 Nimed  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:53:32pm

re: #308 Dark_Falcon

By the way -- I never played non-computer assisted) D&D myself, but the Tomb of Horrors had quite a reputation. It's supposed to be insanely, bordering-the-unfair difficult, right?

321 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:53:39pm

re: #312 Killgore Trout

[Video]
Namaste, y'all

Shit, don't leave yet. I was just looking over the movie offerings at Hulu and they now have a fuck-ton of Bollywood movies there to watch. Just thought that might be something that would interest you.

Laters.

322 Gus  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:53:39pm

re: #314 WindUpBird

Appatrently Spare O'Lake disagrees with Bush's campaign manager and chairman of the RNC, Ken Mehlman:

Plus they all skipped the NAACP presidential debate except for Huckabee.

323 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:53:56pm

re: #318 Spare O'Lake


I'd rather have truth than "balance".

324 jamesfirecat  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:54:01pm

re: #318 Spare O'Lake

It's almost 1 a.m. and I plan to be up at dawn for some fishing.
I don't think it would hurt to have a little more balance around here.
Good night.

Well good luck in your quest to find some more sane conservatives to balance out the liberals who seem to be the only people who sign up lately (self included)

325 Obdicut  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:54:19pm

re: #318 Spare O'Lake


In other words, no, you won't actually make a coherent argument, you're just going to mutter about balance and shove off.

Whatever.

326 Mich-again  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:54:30pm

re: #316 Obdicut

Democrats really have passed a lot of legislation helpful to minority groups.

hmm. You could never tell by driving through Detroit.

327 Obdicut  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:55:05pm

re: #317 aurelius

Why are you downdinging most of my posts? Can you explain what problem you have with them, please?

328 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:55:07pm

re: #322 Gus 802

Plus they all skipped the NAACP presidential debate except for Huckabee.

Huckabee frustrates me so much, because he does these cool things, he makes some cool noises, he gave the finger to Club for Growth, I want to like him, and then he goes nuckingfuts on social conservative crap. :(

329 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:55:31pm

re: #264 Naso Tang

I'm still hoping to hear what went wrong re Salamantis. Did I miss a catfight that hurt him to the core?

I'd be disappointed if that was all it took.

IIRC, he just didn't like the general AGW acceptance that overtook the blog, and he wandered off somewhere else.

Since we're all used to people exploding into hysterical wrath when they don't like what's being discussed on the blog, no one knew what to make of this.

;)

330 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:56:29pm

re: #315 zora

good luck of your human spirituality quest then.

The quest ends in my belly. The sooner you all accept that your souls are my entrees, the happier you all will be.

I have a book, let me show you it.

331 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:56:30pm

re: #329 SanFranciscoZionist

IIRC, he just didn't like the general AGW acceptance that overtook the blog, and he wandered off somewhere else.

Since we're all used to people exploding into hysterical wrath when they don't like what's being discussed on the blog, no one knew what to make of this.

;)

he just...left! quietly?!? How is this possible? Where's the drama in that? :D

332 Obdicut  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:56:30pm

re: #326 Mich-again

hmm. You could never tell by driving through Detroit.

Having passed legislation helpful to minority groups obviously doesn't mean they've fixed every problem.

But it's like gay rights; we're pathetically behind on gay rights, and the Democrats are total wusses about it, but they're still the only ones that have pushed it forward, at all. Democrats know they can count on the vast majority of the gay vote not just because the GOP shits all over gays, but because the Democrats have actually pushed gay rights forwards.

333 jamesfirecat  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:56:30pm

re: #328 WindUpBird

Huckabee frustrates me so much, because he does these cool things, he makes some cool noises, he gave the finger to Club for Growth, I want to like him, and then he goes nuckingfuts on social conservative crap. :(

Huckabee manages to wrap up being a Socon in the kindly old grandfather/uncle package which makes it less openly revolting at first glance....

At least that's the conclusion I seem to be coming to about him...

334 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:57:02pm

re: #313 jamesfirecat

The great god MOT-IR-ATE-OAR slayed the evil demon Trolleon with his might Hammer "BHAN"

Change the name of the demon. The trolls in this case are more minor enemies the characters will face. The ultimate goal is to track down the demi-lich "Palindrome" and detroy the political body she is constructing out of the pieces of dead political gods, and animating with vast amounts of Bad Craziness energy.

335 Achilles Tang  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:57:51pm

re: #327 Obdicut

Why are you downdinging most of my posts? Can you explain what problem you have with them, please?

The problem is one of lack of expressive abilities, probably, resulting in a case of dingaling.

Curable, but you have to help them out.

336 Obdicut  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:58:01pm

re: #334 Dark_Falcon

This sounds like something that Hunter S. Thompson saw in an ether binge. And I mean that in a good way.

337 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:58:18pm

re: #322 Gus 802

Plus they all skipped the NAACP presidential debate except for Huckabee.

Huckabee sure does have his moments.

338 jamesfirecat  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:59:08pm

re: #334 Dark_Falcon

Change the name of the demon. The trolls in this case are more minor enemies the characters will face. The ultimate goal is to track down the demi-lich "Palindrome" and detroy the political body she is constructing out of the pieces of dead political gods, and animating with vast amounts of Bad Craziness energy.

The great god MOT-IR-ATE-OAR slayed the evil deamon FLOUNCETH with his might Hammer "BHAN" and went onto nearly defeate the evil god SOKEPUPPATE before being brought low by Dorkus!

339 Gus  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:59:24pm

re: #328 WindUpBird

Huckabee frustrates me so much, because he does these cool things, he makes some cool noises, he gave the finger to Club for Growth, I want to like him, and then he goes nuckingfuts on social conservative crap. :(

Happens a lot in politics. One minute you think they're OK and the next they head over to the Value's Voter Summit like Romney. And if you look at how moderate Romney was when he was a governor including being pro-choice to suddenly calling himself a pro-lifer.

Politics comes with disappointments. I expected Obama to "lay down the law" regarding (for example) gay marriage and legalizing marijuana. For others regarding the wars.

340 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 9:59:36pm

re: #320 Nimed

By the way -- I never played non-computer assisted) D&D myself, but the Tomb of Horrors had quite a reputation. It's supposed to be insanely, bordering-the-unfair difficult, right?

Yes. The new one is longer, and broken into four segments. It's ultimately more winnable if properly played. It's still tough. The image of Orkus, for example, is still a Level 24 demon (the real Orkus is 10 levels higher still).

341 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 10:00:35pm

re: #338 jamesfirecat

The great god MOT-IR-ATE-OAR slayed the evil deamon FLOUNCETH with his might Hammer "BHAN" and went onto nearly defeate the evil god SOKEPUPPATE before being brought low by Dorkus!

That works. Your roll passes the Arcana check! ;)

342 jamesfirecat  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 10:01:05pm

re: #341 Dark_Falcon

That works. Your roll passes the Arcana check! ;)

Glad I could help DF.

343 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 10:01:14pm

re: #328 WindUpBird

Huckabee frustrates me so much, because he does these cool things, he makes some cool noises, he gave the finger to Club for Growth, I want to like him, and then he goes nuckingfuts on social conservative crap. :(

He's likable, and he acts, as far as I can tell, in accordance with his own moral compass.

It's just that he's a so-con theocrat from hell.

Some of these guys, I figure, they're just making this stuff up, they don't really believe it, they're pandering. Not Huck. He's a true believer. And a good man, according to his own lights.

I'm sure he'd be a great neighbor. The thought of him as president is awful.

344 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 10:01:44pm

re: #334 Dark_Falcon

Change the name of the demon. The trolls in this case are more minor enemies the characters will face. The ultimate goal is to track down the demi-lich "Palindrome" and detroy the political body she is constructing out of the pieces of dead political gods, and animating with vast amounts of Bad Craziness energy.

This is my new band, we're called Demilich Palindrome

Are you sure you're not into stoner doom? :D

345 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 10:01:48pm

re: #331 WindUpBird

he just...left! quietly?!? How is this possible? Where's the drama in that? :D

I know, right? Sheesh.

346 Nimed  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 10:02:16pm

We need this party in the U.S..

I might even vote for them once in a while.

347 Mich-again  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 10:03:31pm

re: #332 Obdicut

Having passed legislation helpful to minority groups obviously doesn't mean they've fixed every problem.

I think its more likely that some aspects of the legislation made matters worse, but instead of facing up to that and going after the root of the problem, we get the "If the medicine aint working, increase the dosage!" strategy.

And in my opinion, jobs and education are the two most urgent needs in the cities. But the Dems are somewhat hog-tied in addressing those needs because they are beholden to unions and the education lobby. So the cities get lip service.

348 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 10:03:50pm

I do miss Sal. He was good company, and he was willing to explain the science when I didn't get it. Wish he'd come back and say hey.

349 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 10:04:32pm

re: #343 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm sure he'd be a great neighbor. The thought of him as president is awful.


This. Sucks, because for a while there I was holding him up as the Republican I Could Really Like. BUT then he starts talking about social policy and then it was like a pinata of crazy being busted open. It's like he's a good guy, but there's a tiny little Santorum in his brain taking him over and working the levers from time to time.

350 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 10:04:34pm

re: #348 SanFranciscoZionist

I do miss Sal. He was good company, and he was willing to explain the science when I didn't get it. Wish he'd come back and say hey.

Me too.

351 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 10:06:07pm

re: #349 WindUpBird

This. Sucks, because for a while there I was holding him up as the Republican I Could Really Like. BUT then he starts talking about social policy and then it was like a pinata of crazy being busted open. It's like he's a good guy, but there's a tiny little Santorum in his brain taking him over and working the levers from time to time.

He's stated for the record that we need to change the Constitution so that it's in line with the Word of God. (Because, he explains, you can change the one, but not the other.)

That's pretty much the point where I back away slowly...but I do like seeing him speak. He was on the Daily Show, and was very funny.

352 Gus  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 10:06:14pm

Oops. Scratch off Gov. Mitch Daniels (R-Indiana):

Our country was founded--this is just an historic fact; some people today may resist this notion but it is absolutely true--it was founded by people of faith. It was founded on principles of faith. The whole idea of equality of men and women [and] of the races all springs from the notion that we're all children of a just God. It is very important to at least my notion of what America's about and should be about and I hope it's reflected most of the time in the choices that we make personally.

. . . People who reject the idea of a God -who think that we're just accidental protoplasm- have always been with us. What bothers me is the implications -which not all such folks have thought through- because really, if we are just accidental, if this life is all there is, if there is no eternal standard of right and wrong, then all that matters is power. And atheism leads to brutality. All the horrific crimes of the last century were committed by atheists -Stalin and Hitler and Mao and so forth- because it flows very naturally from an idea that there is no judgment and there is nothing other than the brief time we spend on this Earth.

Everyone's certainly entitled in our country to equal treatment regardless of their opinion. But yes, I think that folks who believe they've come to that opinion ought to think very carefully, first of all, about how different it is from the American tradition; how it leads to a very different set of outcomes in the real world. - Mitch Daniels

Why are Republicans frequently compelled to opine on these matters?

353 sagehen  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 10:06:22pm

re: #333 jamesfirecat

Huckabee manages to wrap up being a Socon in the kindly old grandfather/uncle package which makes it less openly revolting at first glance...

At least that's the conclusion I seem to be coming to about him...

And huckabee's bible includes the gospels, unlike the robertson/falwell/dobson version that goes from leviticus straight to corinthians and skips everything in between...

354 jamesfirecat  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 10:06:37pm

re: #343 SanFranciscoZionist

He's likable, and he acts, as far as I can tell, in accordance with his own moral compass.

It's just that he's a so-con theocrat from hell.

Some of these guys, I figure, they're just making this stuff up, they don't really believe it, they're pandering. Not Huck. He's a true believer. And a good man, according to his own lights.

I'm sure he'd be a great neighbor. The thought of him as president is awful.

Have you seen him on the Daily Show?

On the time they talked about Abortion he and Jon just had a nice sit down, both of them poured themselves drinks and had a real heart to heart talk.

When they talked about gays getting married however Jon pinned Huck's ears back with "the history of marriage is not one man one woman, the history of it is a series of progressive steps forward to make it easier for people who love each other to get married regardless of race class or religion!" Or something along those lines...

355 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 10:07:13pm

re: #352 Gus 802

Oops. Scratch off Gov. Mitch Daniels (R-Indiana):

Why are Republicans frequently compelled to opine on these matters?

Because a large part of their party base are religious conservatives.

356 jamesfirecat  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 10:08:06pm

re: #347 Mich-again

I think its more likely that some aspects of the legislation made matters worse, but instead of facing up to that and going after the root of the problem, we get the "If the medicine aint working, increase the dosage!" strategy.

And in my opinion, jobs and education are the two most urgent needs in the cities. But the Dems are somewhat hog-tied in addressing those needs because they are beholden to unions and the education lobby. So the cities get lip service.

Really? I think they're somewhat hog tied when it comes to jobs at the moment because the Republicans treat the idea of Deficit spending when theirs a democrat in the White House (on anything other than Tax cuts for the Rich) like its the end of the world and refuse to let another Stimulus pass that might create more jobs just like the first one did!

357 Gus  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 10:08:21pm

re: #355 Dark_Falcon

Because a large part of their party base are religious conservatives.

I suppose. But that rhetoric there isn't reflective of conservatism. It borders on zealotry.

358 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 10:10:01pm

re: #343 SanFranciscoZionist

He's like some kind of mad scientist's experiment. Part so-con, part so-lib.

Gays can't get married, but rapists and murderers can get clemency? WTF? It's like the man is of two minds. The brains of Abby Normal and Sy Kotic mixed together.

359 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 10:10:17pm

re: #347 Mich-again

I think its more likely that some aspects of the legislation made matters worse, but instead of facing up to that and going after the root of the problem, we get the "If the medicine aint working, increase the dosage!" strategy.

And in my opinion, jobs and education are the two most urgent needs in the cities. But the Dems are somewhat hog-tied in addressing those needs because they are beholden to unions and the education lobby. So the cities get lip service.

Meaning they don't want to dismantle public education, pay teachers less, and then demonize them in a series of catch 22s when they can't magically compel kids from broken homes to get straight As.

I'd trust Republicans a bit more on education if they'd stop trying to float the idea of dismantling the Dept. of Education. Fuck, that was one of Reagan's platforms, and one of Dole's platforms back in the 96 campaign.

360 Gus  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 10:11:10pm

re: #358 Slumbering Behemoth

He's like some kind of mad scientist's experiment. Part so-con, part so-lib.

Gays can't get married, but rapists and murderers can get clemency? WTF? It's like the man is of two minds. The brains of Abby Normal and Sy Kotic mixed together.

Yep. Huckabee was what some would say a "Nanny Stater" while governor. Especially with regards to smoking.

361 bratwurst  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 10:11:15pm

re: #343 SanFranciscoZionist

He's likable, and he acts, as far as I can tell, in accordance with his own moral compass.

It's just that he's a so-con theocrat from hell.

Some of these guys, I figure, they're just making this stuff up, they don't really believe it, they're pandering. Not Huck. He's a true believer. And a good man, according to his own lights.

I'm sure he'd be a great neighbor. The thought of him as president is awful.

Totally agree. I would love to shake his hand and compare notes on how each of us have managed to lose 100 pounds (though he does, unfortunately, appear to be creeping back up a bit of late). I would never vote for him for POTUS in a million years, but I thoroughly enjoy seeing him as a guest on other people's TV shows...his own show, not so much.

362 Four More Tears  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 10:12:42pm

re: #352 Gus 802

some people today may resist this notion but it is absolutely true--it was founded by people of faith. It was founded on principles of faith. The whole idea of equality of men and women [and] of the races all springs from the notion that we're all children of a just God.

How is this sentence supposed to work? I mean... if you want to claim that the founders were men of faith, fine, whatever. Then you throw in that second part about equality. Okay. But the founders didn't do any of that... Those men supported slavery and didn't give women the right to vote.

Can we send this man an American history textbook? (not from Texas!)

363 Nimed  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 10:12:51pm

re: #353 sagehen

And huckabee's bible includes the gospels, unlike the robertson/falwell/dobson version that goes from leviticus straight to corinthians and skips everything in between...

LOL

364 freetoken  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 10:12:53pm

re: #352 Gus 802

Daniels is just wrong.

For example, consider the sons of Noah. The story includes one of them being cursed. That story has been used over and over as a reason why a certain race has had such ills.

Same thing with slavery, and the validity of it per the Bible.

And so on and so on.

Some public figure really ought to take on these issues. Unfortunately most Republican politicians are deluded or sold out to their base, and too many Democrats are craven.

365 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 10:12:56pm

re: #352 Gus 802

So stupid it blows the mind.

Anyone who believes an athiest cannot have a moral compass without a belief in God is a clinical dolt.

366 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 10:13:10pm

re: #357 Gus 802

I suppose. But that rhetoric there isn't reflective of conservatism. It borders on zealotry.

Thank you for that. I am off on a beer run, can I get you anything?

367 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 10:13:13pm

re: #353 sagehen

And huckabee's bible includes the gospels, unlike the robertson/falwell/dobson version that goes from leviticus straight to corinthians and skips everything in between...

BIBLE REMIX YO

368 zora  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 10:13:25pm

re: #339 Gus 802

Politics comes with disappointments. I expected Obama to "lay down the law" regarding (for example) gay marriage and legalizing marijuana. For others regarding the wars.

i voted for obama and thought he would escalate the war in afghanistan, not legalize marijauna, and push for civil unions only. that's about as far left as he goes. i don't agree with the marijauna or gay marriage stances, but i knew what i was getting.

funny how times change. now, he is to the right of most key republicans on the war in afghanistan and he has a nobel peace prize to boot. he gets to be a peace-hawk. this i couldn't have predicted in a million years.

369 Four More Tears  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 10:14:00pm

re: #358 Slumbering Behemoth

He's like some kind of mad scientist's experiment. Part so-con, part so-lib.

Gays can't get married, but rapists and murderers who find God can get clemency? WTF? It's like the man is of two minds. The brains of Abby Normal and Sy Kotic mixed together.

Ftfy.

370 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 10:14:14pm

re: #364 freetoken

tribalist politics at work. Honestly I don't even thing Daniels believes this stuff, but panicking stupid people about athiesm is just the name of the political game.

371 Gus  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 10:14:19pm

re: #366 Slumbering Behemoth

Thank you for that. I am off on a beer run, can I get you anything?

Fat Tire ale from New Belgium Brewing Company. And 1/2 pint of Johnny Walker Black. Oh, and a pack of cigs.

Thanks.

/

372 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 10:14:58pm

re: #371 Gus 802

Fat Tire is a good beer!

373 freetoken  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 10:15:01pm

re: #370 WindUpBird

Daniels is one of the "sold out". No, he is not as delusional as many today who fly the (R) banner, but he knows who butters his bread.

374 prairiefire  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 10:15:28pm

Hey, lizards.
We just rolled up to the ol' Missouri suburban split level from Colorado.
SFZ~I got out of the car, my glasses fogged over, and I knew I was home.

375 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 10:16:29pm

re: #371 Gus 802

Done. Though you may have to post bail for me later. I don't quite have the fade on that, and may have to shoplift it.
/

376 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 10:16:45pm

re: #355 Dark_Falcon

Because a large part of their party base are religious conservatives.

Psst, I know you get sick of me using the word "tribalist"...


but this is what I'm talking about

377 jamesfirecat  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 10:16:55pm

re: #368 zora

i voted for obama and thought he would escalate the war in afghanistan, not legalize marijauna, and push for civil unions only. that's about as far left as he goes. i don't agree with the marijauna or gay marriage stances, but i knew what i was getting.

funny how times change. now, he is to the right of most key republicans on the war in afghanistan and he has a nobel peace prize to boot. he gets to be a peace-hawk. this i couldn't have predicted in a million years.

He got the peace prize for making the rest of the world like the US a lot better, not for getting us out of wars.

Hell I'll even accept he got a noble peace prize for not being Bush. There are other comparisons I could make at this point but they all tend down painfully partisan roads so I'll just stop there...

378 Four More Tears  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 10:17:11pm

re: #375 Slumbering Behemoth

Done. Though you may have to post bail for me later. I don't quite have the fade on that, and may have to shoplift it.
/

Bender?

/

379 sagehen  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 10:17:32pm

re: #364 freetoken

Daniels is just wrong.

For example, consider the sons of Noah. The story includes one of them being cursed. That story has been used over and over as a reason why a certain race has had such ills.

Same thing with slavery, and the validity of it per the Bible.

And so on and so on.

Some public figure really ought to take on these issues. Unfortunately most Republican politicians are deluded or sold out to their base, and too many Democrats are craven.

The whole reason for the existence of the Southern Baptist denomination is that the Baptist Church schismed in 1845 over slavery. The northern baptists became abolitionists, and the southern baptists just couldn't stand that.

380 zora  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 10:17:33pm

re: #352 Gus 802

they can get votes without discussing issues. cheap pandering.

381 jamesfirecat  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 10:18:53pm

re: #379 sagehen

The whole reason for the existence of the Southern Baptist denomination is that the Baptist Church schismed in 1845 over slavery. The northern baptists became abolitionists, and the southern baptists just couldn't stand that.

//If god had wanted man to free his slaves he would have put something about that in the Bible!

382 Nimed  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 10:19:48pm

re: #351 SanFranciscoZionist

He's stated for the record that we need to change the Constitution so that it's in line with the Word of God. (Because, he explains, you can change the one, but not the other.)

That's pretty much the point where I back away slowly...but I do like seeing him speak. He was on the Daily Show, and was very funny.

Since we're smashing the man, I think he officially supports Greater Israel, so the probability of a peaceful solution to the I-P conflict in a Huckabee Presidency would go from near-zero to zero.

383 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 10:20:01pm

re: #373 freetoken

Daniels is one of the "sold out". No, he is not as delusional as many today who fly the (R) banner, but he knows who butters his bread.

Most politicians are sell-outs. They may sell out to leftist non-profits or to wingnut preachers, but either way they sell out. Trying to be intellectually honest in politics is very hard and usually leads to a short career.

384 zora  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 10:20:34pm

re: #377 jamesfirecat

i'm well aware. but can you see the irony of getting a peace prize while in two wars.

385 sagehen  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 10:20:51pm

re: #383 Dark_Falcon

Most politicians are sell-outs. They may sell out to leftist non-profits or to wingnut preachers, but either way they sell out. Trying to be intellectually honest in politics is very hard and usually leads to a short career.

I miss Eisenhower. Can we reanimate his corpse and elect him again?

386 jamesfirecat  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 10:20:58pm

re: #384 zora

i'm well aware. but can you see the irony of getting a peace prize while in two wars.

Well it's not like he started those wars....

387 jamesfirecat  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 10:21:33pm

re: #385 sagehen

I miss Eisenhower. Can we reanimate his corpse and elect him again?

He was the last non So-con Republican we elected. Well either him or (it hurts me to say this) Nixon.....

388 freetoken  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 10:21:52pm

re: #385 sagehen

I miss Eisenhower. Can we reanimate his corpse and elect him again?

A zombie President?

389 zora  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 10:22:34pm

re: #386 jamesfirecat

of course, not.

390 jamesfirecat  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 10:23:15pm

re: #388 freetoken

A zombie President?

Well since you brought it up, if the tech did exist this is what we'd be far more likely to get....

391 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 10:23:39pm

re: #376 WindUpBird

Psst, I know you get sick of me using the word "tribalist"...

but this is what I'm talking about

Well, I do thank you for considering my feelings and understanding where I'm coming from. It makes a big difference to me.

392 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 10:23:50pm

re: #375 Slumbering Behemoth

Okay, so my new find is the band Shrinebuilder which has Scott Kelly from Neurosis, Wino, Dale Crover from the Melvins, and Al Cisneros from Sleep (Matt PIke's old band) Total fuzzed out groovy doom supergroup, I ADORE THEM

393 Gus  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 10:24:07pm

re: #362 JasonA

How is this sentence supposed to work? I mean... if you want to claim that the founders were men of faith, fine, whatever. Then you throw in that second part about equality. Okay. But the founders didn't do any of that... Those men supported slavery and didn't give women the right to vote.

Can we send this man an American history textbook? (not from Texas!)

The whole idea that atheists will descend into immorality because there is no outer judgment. That is false. Generally speaking atheists carry on like most Christians (or other religions) in being good because it is inherent in our nature as human beings.

The idea that Stalin and Hitler and Mao carried out their atrocities in the name of atheism hangs by a thread. For them it was about power and they manipulated the peoples religious beliefs and the religious organizations for political power. They weren't atheists per se but anti-theists. And Hitler was not an atheist.

Now, I'm an atheist but using his logic I should admire Stalin and Hitler and Mao -- which I don't. I'm not perfect but I haven't harmed a fly in all of my life even in a literal sense. The judgment I use is my own consciousness and potential feelings of self-guilt. I don't hurt people simply because it's the right thing to do.

394 Mich-again  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 10:24:20pm

re: #356 jamesfirecat

Collecting taxes or borrowing moneyt to temporarily employ people in the Government ranks is not really creating jobs for the long term. However, the Government can invest in infrastructure projects that will not only provide short term employment for the project, and also help private enterprise thrive down the road, and that can create new jobs. I'm totally for that sort of thing and I do see some of that happening with the stimulus money. The key is targeting the public projects to build private enterprise down the road.

395 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 10:24:27pm

re: #387 jamesfirecat

He was the last non So-con Republican we elected. Well either him or (it hurts me to say this) Nixon...

Nixon was not a social conservative.

396 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 10:24:51pm

re: #391 Dark_Falcon

Well, I do thank you for considering my feelings and understanding where I'm coming from. It makes a big difference to me.

It's cool, I just...this is the perfect example, the "look, the athiests! They're not like us!" thing.

397 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 10:24:57pm

re: #381 jamesfirecat

//If god had wanted man to free his slaves he would have put something about that in the Bible!

Waitaminnit....(flips furiously through her Tanach)...there was something in here...

398 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 10:26:02pm

re: #384 zora

i'm well aware. but can you see the irony of getting a peace prize while in two wars.

My mother had some choice things to say about that.

I just consider the prize to have been a vote of confidence to the US for finally voting in the president the Europeans liked. Stupid, but whathehell.

399 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 10:26:37pm

re: #385 sagehen

I miss Eisenhower. Can we reanimate his corpse and elect him again?

Does it say anything in the Bible about whether you can vote for a reanimated dead President?

400 sagehen  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 10:26:54pm

re: #395 Dark_Falcon

Nixon was not a social conservative.

Nixon wasn't any kind of conservative.

EPA
OSHA
Affirmative Action
pro-choice
got the ERA through congress (not his fault not enough states ratified it)
proposed a health-care plan well to the left of what Obama got passed

401 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 10:27:07pm

re: #386 jamesfirecat

Well it's not like he started those wars...

Well, neither did I, but have they given me a Nobel in honor of that fact?

402 Gus  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 10:27:40pm

re: #398 SanFranciscoZionist

My mother had some choice things to say about that.

I just consider the prize to have been a vote of confidence to the US for finally voting in the president the Europeans liked. Stupid, but whathehell.

Hey. The punchline was really an anti-climax remember? His speech basically revolved around "peace through strength" which is an old Strategic Air Command saying.

403 jamesfirecat  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 10:27:56pm

re: #395 Dark_Falcon

Nixon was not a social conservative.

I know.

Nixon would be a democrat today.

It hurts me (in the sort of my mind can't handle the fact) to say that, it really does but its still the truth.

Hell I'm pretty sure someone once turned up proof that if Watergate hadn't come about then Nixon would have done studies in his second term to try and get marijuana leaglized or at least made less punishably illegal.

404 zora  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 10:28:55pm

nite, lizards.

405 freetoken  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 10:29:18pm

re: #400 sagehen

Nixon wasn't any kind of conservative.

You left out going to China, ending the war in Vietnam, detente with the Russians, etc.

Nixon was the consummate power politician. He was also a bigot, but he never let that get in the way of his power-lust.

406 jamesfirecat  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 10:29:24pm

re: #400 sagehen

Nixon wasn't any kind of conservative.

EPA
OSHA
Affirmative Action
pro-choice
got the ERA through congress (not his fault not enough states ratified it)
proposed a health-care plan well to the left of what Obama got passed

Some days you really do wish we still had Tricky Dick to slap around don't you?

(Wait that sounded wrong...)

407 Four More Tears  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 10:29:45pm

re: #403 jamesfirecat

I know.

Nixon would be a democrat today.

It hurts me (in the sort of my mind can't handle the fact) to say that, it really does but its still the truth.

Hell I'm pretty sure someone once turned up proof that if Watergate hadn't come about then Nixon would have done studies in his second term to try and get marijuana leaglized or at least made less punishably illegal.

Wait wait wait... so you're saying that he was framed for Watergate by the Hearsts?!?

/

408 Gus  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 10:30:07pm

re: #405 freetoken

You left out going to China, ending the war in Vietnam, detente with the Russians, etc.

Nixon was the consummate power politician. He was also a bigot, but he never let that get in the way of his power-lust.

Price controls. Of course that came with wage controls. But he seriously went off the "free market" track.

409 sagehen  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 10:30:25pm

re: #405 freetoken

You left out going to China, ending the war in Vietnam, detente with the Russians, etc.

Nixon was the consummate power politician. He was also a bigot, but he never let that get in the way of his power-lust.

And he saved Israel in 1973.

410 Gus  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 10:30:52pm

re: #409 sagehen

And he saved Israel in 1973.

Nixon was very complex.

411 Cato the Elder  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 10:31:12pm

re: #403 jamesfirecat

Nixon would be so far to the left today, he would make Obama look like William F. Buckley, Jr.

Had it not been for Watergate, we would have had some form of national health-care program instituted by Nixon before 1976.

412 prairiefire  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 10:31:19pm

re: #395 Dark_Falcon

Nixon was not a social conservative.

Please tell me who were the Republican social conservatives in the 70's. Pat Boone, Phyllis Schaefly, Anita Bryant, who else?

413 freetoken  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 10:31:20pm

Have I ever mentioned how much I hate Adobe Dreamweaver, and most of the Adobe software?

I need to do a little website and every time I start to use the Adobe software I realize once again why I avoid it possible.

414 Gus  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 10:32:24pm

re: #411 Cato the Elder

Nixon would be so far to the left today, he would make Obama look like William F. Buckley, Jr.

Had it not been for Watergate, we would have had some form of national health-care program instituted by Nixon before 1976.

Nixon Now!
Nixon, now more than ever.
Four more years!

Remember those?

415 sagehen  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 10:32:28pm

re: #410 Gus 802

Nixon was veryhad a complex.

I'm sad about the paranoid psychosis that ruined his ability to do his job properly.

416 Nimed  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 10:32:46pm

re: #393 Gus 802

The most basic tenets of Christian morality escape these folks. If you do good and avoid sinning out of fear of punishment, you are not behaving morally.

417 jamesfirecat  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 10:32:55pm

re: #411 Cato the Elder

Nixon would be so far to the left today, he would make Obama look like William F. Buckley, Jr.

Had it not been for Watergate, we would have had some form of national health-care program instituted by Nixon before 1976.

DAMN YOU NIXON! DAMN YOU TO HELL! YOU STILL WOULD HAVE BEEN A CRAZY POWER GRABBING LUNATIC, BUT YOU COULD HAVE BEEN OUR CRAZY POWER GRABBING LUNATIC!

418 prairiefire  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 10:33:14pm

re: #411 Cato the Elder

Nixon would be so far to the left today, he would make Obama look like William F. Buckley, Jr.

Had it not been for Watergate, we would have had some form of national health-care program instituted by Nixon before 1976.

Right, I thought that was on his agenda.

419 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 10:33:39pm

re: #410 Gus 802

Nixon was very complex.

Nixon was a power hungry thug, who seems, in retrospect, to have made some good decisions. As well, as some bad ones.

420 freetoken  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 10:33:47pm

re: #411 Cato the Elder

I believe that Nixon was merely riding the popular opinions of the day.

By the late 70's America started to get very reactionary in politics and gave us Reagan, the ascent of the moral majority, etc.

421 Nimed  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 10:35:06pm

re: #404 zora

nite, lizards.

Good night zora.

422 Cato the Elder  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 10:35:08pm

It is a measure of how far this country has moved to the right that Richard Milhous Nixon would today be relegated to a "free-speech zone" behind barbed wire if he tried to attend a GOP convention.

423 Mich-again  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 10:35:57pm

re: #359 WindUpBird
I have volunteered in Detroit Public Schools in a science program for elementary school students for the last 5 years and I'm sure I have spent more time in those schools than just about any politician has. And I organize a book drive every year at work to help put books in these kids' hands. (A typical kid in a Detroit public school has no access to libraries) IMO, the answer is not more funding for the Bureaucrats in the Department of Education. The money is needed in the classrooms.

424 jamesfirecat  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 10:36:12pm

re: #420 freetoken

I believe that Nixon was merely riding the popular opinions of the day.

By the late 70's America started to get very reactionary in politics and gave us Reagan, the ascent of the moral majority, etc.

I can't wait for the Overton Window to swing back out way and we can have Democrats who stand by raising taxes on everyone to create a balanced budget, letting gays marry, and single payer healthcare.

425 Gus  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 10:36:30pm

re: #419 Floral Giraffe

Nixon was a power hungry thug, who seems, in retrospect, to have made some good decisions. As well, as some bad ones.

I was a Nixon kid in 7th and 8th grade. But I still had the bell bottoms and the semi-long hair and the platform shoes of the day. Then, when I turned 16 I met my sister's boyfriend and started listening to Bob Dylan. One day he was drying something green in our oven and it all went downhill from there. ;)

426 jamesfirecat  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 10:36:42pm

re: #422 Cato the Elder

It is a measure of how far this country has moved to the right that Richard Milhous Nixon would today be relegated to a "free-speech zone" behind barbed wire if he tried to attend a GOP convention.

Nixon won't stand for this!

ARRROOOOO!

(Cue Jowls wobbling)

427 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 10:37:44pm

Sorry Gus, couldn't hook you up. Security there was tighter than a gnat's ass. I'll get you on pay day.

428 Gus  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 10:38:13pm

re: #427 Slumbering Behemoth

Sorry Gus, couldn't hook you up. Security there was tighter than a gnat's ass. I'll get you on pay day.

The story of my life!

/

429 Henchman 25  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 10:39:33pm

re: #426 jamesfirecat

Nixon's head in a jar: President of Earth! :D

430 Mich-again  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 10:39:39pm

re: #422 Cato the Elder

It is a measure of how far this country has moved to the right that Richard Milhous Nixon would today be relegated to a "free-speech zone" behind barbed wire if he tried to attend a GOP convention.


And the guests used to smoke cigarettes on the Tonight Show! On the Gong Show, they were smoking something else.

431 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 10:40:26pm

re: #412 prairiefire

Please tell me who were the Republican social conservatives in the 70's. Pat Boone, Phyllis Schaefly, Anita Bryant, who else?

I don't know. I was born in 1977 and so i don't remember the 70's. It's not a time I have subjected to close study.

432 jamesfirecat  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 10:41:17pm

re: #429 SteelPH

Nixon's head in a jar: President of Earth! :D

Yep, being a 22 year old the only real Nixon I know is Nixon from Futurama so I suppose they exaggerated a little for comedic effect, but on the other hand if somebody can swear for 18 minuets straight he's already more or less a cartoon character!

433 Gus  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 10:41:25pm

re: #429 SteelPH

Nixon's head in a jar: President of Earth! :D

Image: futurama_nixons_head.png

434 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 10:41:44pm

re: #429 SteelPH

Nixon's head in a jar: President of Earth! :D

Futurama is a great show. I'm glad Comedy Central brought it back.

435 freetoken  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 10:42:18pm

The Adobe software has fundamentally bad human factors. They are not alone in this of course, but one would think that a software company specializing in graphics software and typography would be more aware of how anti-human so much of their interface truly is.

436 Four More Tears  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 10:42:29pm

re: #433 Gus 802

Image: futurama_nixons_head.png

Speaking of which, I just watched the last two new episodes tonight. Robosexuals. Heh.
Also happy Eureka's back!

437 Mich-again  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 10:42:45pm

re: #412 prairiefire

Please tell me who were the Republican social conservatives in the 70's. Pat Boone, Phyllis Schaefly, Anita Bryant, who else?


Sam Francis. Pat Buchanan.. The paleocons were there. lurking.

438 jamesfirecat  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 10:43:24pm

re: #436 JasonA

Speaking of which, I just watched the last two new episodes tonight. Robosexuals. Heh.
Also happy Eureka's back!


You know, some guy... (pointing at picture of self) that's the guy, him!

Here name was Unit!

439 Cato the Elder  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 10:43:40pm

re: #432 jamesfirecat

Yep, being a 22 year old the only real Nixon I know is Nixon from Futurama so I suppose they exaggerated a little for comedic effect, but on the other hand if somebody can swear for 18 minuets straight he's already more or less a cartoon character!

Meh. I once swore for over 18 hours before the goddamn meth finally wore off.

440 Gus  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 10:44:15pm

re: #439 Cato the Elder

Meh. I once swore for over 18 hours before the goddamn meth finally wore off.

I'd pay to see that.

441 Four More Tears  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 10:44:58pm

re: #438 jamesfirecat

You know, some guy... (pointing at picture of self) that's the guy, him!

Here name was Unit!

Leonardo DiCaprio!

442 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 10:45:11pm

re: #432 jamesfirecat

Yep, being a 22 year old the only real Nixon I know is Nixon from Futurama so I suppose they exaggerated a little for comedic effect, but on the other hand if somebody can swear for 18 minuets straight he's already more or less a cartoon character!

Nixon was very smart and very capable. He also very paranoid, as sagehen noted, and very secretive.

443 jamesfirecat  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 10:45:33pm

re: #439 Cato the Elder

Meh. I once swore for over 18 hours before the goddamn meth finally wore off.

I'll just tee this one up for whoever wants to take the swing, Wasilla is the meth capital of Alaska.

Anyone interested may play the ball as it lies.

444 Four More Tears  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 10:45:57pm

re: #440 Gus 802

I'd pay to see that.

I bet it was a very eloquent curse-laden 18 hours, though.

Maybe not even in English...

445 Four More Tears  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 10:46:43pm

re: #443 jamesfirecat

I'll just tee this one up for whoever wants to take the swing, Wasilla is the meth capital of Alaska.

Anyone interested may play the ball as it lies.

*looks at the ball, shrugs, and shuffles on by*

446 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 10:47:23pm

re: #443 jamesfirecat

I'll just tee this one up for whoever wants to take the swing, Wasilla is the meth capital of Alaska.

Anyone interested may play the ball as it lies.

Not going near it. That's too close to the Andrew Sullivan Sandtrap.

447 Mich-again  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 10:47:51pm

re: #432 jamesfirecat

but on the other hand if somebody can swear for 18 minuets straight he's already more or less a cartoon character!

Ya ever tried to fix leaky old plumbing? Or change spark plugs in an Olds Bravada?

448 Gus  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 10:48:32pm

re: #444 JasonA

I bet it was a very eloquent curse-laden 18 hours, though.

Maybe not even in English...

And now for tonight's performance piece by Cato the Elder.

Cursing in Old High German for 18 hours.

Please turn off your cell phones. Thank you.

//

449 prairiefire  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 10:48:42pm

Richard Thompson playing on PBS Sierra Center Stage.

450 prairiefire  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 10:49:40pm

Beeswing:

451 bratwurst  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 10:50:55pm

Some Glenn Beck apologists have turned up in the comments on the Pages where Thanos posted the Salon piece about Beck's bizarre hour-long screed against Liberation Theology...as if there COULD BE a context in which saying:

If he was a victim, and this theology was true, then Jesus would've come back from the dead and made the Jews pay for what they did.

would not be deeply offensive to millions of people. Good grief!

452 Four More Tears  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 10:51:02pm

re: #448 Gus 802

And now for tonight's performance piece by Cato the Elder.

Cursing in Old High German for 18 hours.

Please turn off your cell phones. Thank you.

//

Does anger and swear words come through better in any other language, I ask?

Scheisse!

453 Mich-again  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 10:53:17pm

re: #452 JasonA

Does anger and swear words come through better in any other language, I ask?

Everything in German sounds angry. Someone could be describing a butterfly sitting on a flower and it would sound angry.

454 jamesfirecat  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 10:54:05pm

re: #451 bratwurst

Some Glenn Beck apologists have turned up in the comments on the Pages where Thanos posted the Salon piece about Beck's bizarre hour-long screed against Liberation Theology...as if there COULD BE a context in which saying:

would not be deeply offensive to millions of people. Good grief!

Yes because if there was one thing we could take away from "Turn the other cheek" its that you need to make anyone who harms you PAY FOR WHAT THEY'VE DONE!

455 Four More Tears  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 10:54:58pm

re: #454 jamesfirecat

Yes because if there was one thing we could take away from "Turn the other cheek" its that you need to make anyone who harms you PAY FOR WHAT THEY'VE DONE!

Eye for an eye!

/

456 sagehen  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 10:55:03pm

re: #432 jamesfirecat

Yep, being a 22 year old the only real Nixon I know is Nixon from Futurama so I suppose they exaggerated a little for comedic effect, but on the other hand if somebody can swear for 18 minuets straight he's already more or less a cartoon character!

More like an opera character.

Countdown to the finale began when his attorney general said "no, sir, I will not carry out that order" and resigned in protest.

The RNC chairman (George Herbert Walker Bush) had to go tell him he was about to be impeached, that more than half the Senate Republicans would absolutely vote to remove him from office and wouldn't it be better for the country if he resigned.

The Secretary of Defense, the NSA and the Joint Chiefs held a meeting to decide, and transmit to the generals, that Presidential Orders for the next couple of days were to be disregarded (they seriously worried he'd nuke the world on his way out the door).

457 sagehen  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 10:56:25pm

re: #452 JasonA

Does anger and swear words come through better in any other language, I ask?

Scheisse!

Russian. Yiddish. Gaelic.

458 bratwurst  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 10:56:31pm

re: #451 bratwurst

And a special shoutout to regular visitors to LGF who are still able to see a former "morning zoo" radio DJ with no post high school education as an economist, historian AND biblical scholar. Please consider donating your tiny brains to science for further study.

459 Four More Tears  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 10:56:46pm

re: #457 sagehen

Russian. Yiddish. Gaelic.

NEIN!

460 jamesfirecat  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 10:57:06pm

re: #456 sagehen

More like an opera character.

Countdown to the finale began when his attorney general said "no, sir, I will not carry out that order" and resigned in protest.

The RNC chairman (George Herbert Walker Bush) had to go tell him he was about to be impeached, that more than half the Senate Republicans would absolutely vote to remove him from office and wouldn't it be better for the country if he resigned.

The Secretary of Defense, the NSA and the Joint Chiefs held a meeting to decide, and transmit to the generals, that Presidential Orders for the next couple of days were to be disregarded (they seriously worried he'd nuke the world on his way out the door).

Yes I suppose Opera would be the better format for retelling how one somewhat crazy man rose to power and then how his lust for power cost him everything he'd gained, and how he gave it up it for information on an election he was going to win in a landslide anyway....

461 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 10:57:38pm

re: #440 Gus 802

I'd pay to see that.

How much?

462 Gus  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 10:57:59pm

re: #461 Slumbering Behemoth

How much?

$27.95

463 bratwurst  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 10:58:46pm

re: #457 sagehen

Russian. Yiddish. Gaelic.

How about Czech?

DO PRDELE!

464 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:00:07pm

re: #461 Slumbering Behemoth

How much?

Change for a quarter?

465 Four More Tears  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:00:28pm

re: #462 Gus 802

$27.95

I was gonna say $20, then I remembered Cato's in Baltimore... I'll wait for the DVD.

466 boxhead  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:00:35pm

re: #452 JasonA

Does anger and swear words come through better in any other language, I ask?

Scheisse!

How about French?

467 Four More Tears  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:00:54pm

re: #463 bratwurst

How about Czech?

DO PRDELE!

Are you Czech?

468 TedStriker  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:01:31pm

re: #461 Slumbering Behemoth

How much?

I'd buy that for a dollar!

/Robocop

469 Gus  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:02:16pm

re: #465 JasonA

I was gonna say $20, then I remembered Cato's in Baltimore... I'll wait for the DVD.

True. Forgot about that. Baltimore. Hmmm, need to consider parking, a Glock, bullet proof vest, trauma care...

//

470 bratwurst  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:02:48pm

re: #467 JasonA

Are you Czech?

No, but I have ethnic ties to central Europe and I spent more than 3 years living in Prague.

471 Gus  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:02:58pm
472 Four More Tears  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:04:11pm

re: #470 bratwurst

No, but I have ethnic ties to central Europe and I spent more than 3 years living in Prague.

Ah. Pretty city from the movies I've seen filmed there. Only reason I ask is I'm half Slovak.

473 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:05:19pm

re: #462 Gus 802

re: #464 Floral Giraffe

re: #465 JasonA

re: #468 talon_262

And there I was, giving it away for free in that very post. Damn foolishness, I could have made a few bucks.

474 Four More Tears  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:06:15pm

re: #471 Gus 802

Dammit, Gus! I wasn't able to get that out of my head until some time in the late 90's!!!

475 Four More Tears  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:06:52pm

re: #473 Slumbering Behemoth

re: #464 Floral Giraffe

re: #465 JasonA

re: #468 talon_262

And there I was, giving it away for free in that very post. Damn foolishness, I could have made a few bucks.

Socialist.

476 prairiefire  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:07:03pm

Ace Of Cakes is in Baltimore.

477 bratwurst  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:07:26pm

re: #472 JasonA

Ah. Pretty city from the movies I've seen filmed there. Only reason I ask is I'm half Slovak.

GREAT place to visit...except for the fact that the explosion of cheap flights there (especially from the UK) means it is now swarming with tourists virtually every day of the year. Back in the mid 90s we kinda got the place to ourselves for parts of the year. I have visited Slovakia a few times and had a good Slovak friend in Germany (where I lived even longer) who made me halusky on a regular basis. I could go for some right now!

478 prairiefire  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:08:39pm

What was the TV cop show before the Wire with Andre Braugher?

479 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:08:50pm

re: #469 Gus 802

True. Forgot about that. Baltimore. Hmmm, need to consider parking, a Glock, bullet proof vest, trauma care...

//

Angelina for a body guard....

480 sagehen  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:09:15pm

re: #478 prairiefire

What was the TV cop show before the Wire with Andre Braugher?

Homicide: Life on the Streets.

481 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:09:29pm

re: #473 Slumbering Behemoth

re: #464 Floral Giraffe

re: #465 JasonA

re: #468 talon_262

And there I was, giving it away for free in that very post. Damn foolishness, I could have made a few bucks.

LOL!
Did you know that you were a cheap date, before you made that post?

482 prairiefire  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:09:29pm

Hi, Floral!

483 Gus  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:09:34pm

re: #479 Floral Giraffe

Angelina for a body guard...

Jolie?

484 prairiefire  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:09:55pm

re: #480 sagehen

Homicide: Life on the Streets.

Loved that show.

485 Gus  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:11:04pm

re: #474 JasonA

Dammit, Gus! I wasn't able to get that out of my head until some time in the late 90's!!!

Heard it a lot? That's the benefit of not watching too much TV or radio. Keeps things fresh.

486 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:11:47pm

re: #475 JasonA

Socialist.

Ha! No, I'd be a socialist if I took it from you and then distributed it according to means and needs.

In this case, I just gave it away. I guess that makes me more of an altruistic hippie, or maybe an idiot.

487 Four More Tears  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:12:02pm

re: #480 sagehen

Homicide: Life on the Streets.

Another David Simon show, btw.

488 Four More Tears  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:12:29pm

re: #486 Slumbering Behemoth

Ever fix that car, by the way?

489 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:12:51pm

re: #483 Gus 802

Jolie?

There's more than one?

490 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:13:04pm

re: #481 Floral Giraffe

LOL!
Did you know that you were a cheap date, before you made that post?

Oh sure enough Floral. I ain't easy, but I am cheap and can be had.

491 Gus  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:13:18pm

re: #487 JasonA

Another David Simon show, btw.

Might have to check him out. Homicide was great. One of the best shows that I remember.

492 Gus  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:13:42pm

re: #489 Floral Giraffe

There's more than one?

Then I'm in!

493 Four More Tears  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:13:55pm

re: #491 Gus 802

Might have to check him out. Homicide was great. One of the best shows that I remember.

Have you seen The Wire?

If not, why not? Get thee to Netflix!

494 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:14:40pm

re: #483 Gus 802

Jolie?

Given her love of knives, she'd be handy in a bar fight. And she's got her father's fierce "never back down" about her as well.

495 Gus  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:14:51pm

re: #493 JasonA

Have you seen The Wire?

If not, why not? Get thee to Netflix!

Not yet.

496 prairiefire  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:15:01pm

re: #487 JasonA

Another David Simon show, btw.

What else has he done?

497 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:15:03pm

re: #488 JasonA

Ever fix that car, by the way?

Yes, thanks for asking. Although all the parts I replace were definitely fried, the last thing that was hanging me up was the firing order. I pulled a total rookie move and wired two out of sequence on the distributor cap. I guarantee you that won't happen again.

498 bratwurst  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:15:06pm

re: #454 jamesfirecat

Yes because if there was one thing we could take away from "Turn the other cheek" its that you need to make anyone who harms you PAY FOR WHAT THEY'VE DONE!

Here is what some people don't seem to be getting: the idea that Jews killed Jesus is NOT an organic aspect of Liberation theology...Beck threw that in all on his own. I absolutely find what he said offensive and in my eyes those who defend it are in the same boat as those who defend Rush when he (frequently) says something racist "to prove a point".

499 Gus  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:15:23pm

re: #494 Dark_Falcon

Given her love of knives, she'd be handy in a bar fight. And she's got her father's fierce "never back down" about her as well.

If she's like her father she can talk them to death.

//

500 Four More Tears  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:16:25pm

re: #496 prairiefire

What else has he done?

Generation Kill. Treme. Not much else comes to mind.

501 prairiefire  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:17:20pm

The Obama girls did not look thrilled for the vacation this weekend. They looked like "Dad, I just want to lay around and read some Manga."

502 Gus  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:17:41pm

re: #500 JasonA

Generation Kill. Treme. Not much else comes to mind.

1 episode of NYPD Blue.

[Link: www.imdb.com...]

Now there was a show I liked at first.

503 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:18:24pm

re: #494 Dark_Falcon

She likes knives? I have knives.

504 prairiefire  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:18:37pm

re: #502 Gus 802

1 episode of NYPD Blue.

[Link: www.imdb.com...]

Now there was a show I liked at first.

I think the first male butt shot on American TV.

505 freetoken  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:18:48pm

re: #498 bratwurst

I take it that Beck is trying to feed the Black vs. Jew antipathy that is so imagined?

506 Gus  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:19:36pm

re: #503 Slumbering Behemoth

She likes knives? I have knives.

I thought that would be...

"She likes knives? I have a whetstone."

/

507 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:20:52pm

re: #506 Gus 802

Hey, I have one of those too. I even have the oil for it.

/Heh, whetstone.

508 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:21:03pm

re: #506 Gus 802

LOL!
Of COURSE you do.

509 Four More Tears  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:21:40pm

I'm outta here. Be well, lizards.

510 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:21:56pm

re: #505 freetoken

I take it that Beck is trying to feed the Black vs. Jew antipathy that is so imagined?

No, I think he's just trying to tarnish Black Liberation Theology and by extension tarnish Obama. There's nothing deem here. just an attempt at an Outrageous Outrage.

511 freetoken  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:22:36pm

What Beck is (likely intentionally) ignorant of is that the Dominionists which infest the Libertarian Fundamentalist movement, of which Beck is so fond, are very high on the idea that 70AD was the "return" of Jesus to judge the Jewish nation (for the preterists like Gary North) and the future return of Jesus to judge the Jews (for the dispensationalists.)

Bet you won't hear that on Beck's show, eh?

512 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:23:01pm

re: #509 JasonA

Sure, as soon as the talk turns to knives you scurry off to cuddle with your gatling laser. I see how you are.

513 Nimed  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:23:51pm

re: #498 bratwurst

Here is what some people don't seem to be getting: the idea that Jews killed Jesus is NOT an organic aspect of Liberation theology.

People often forget that Jesus brilliantly masterminded his own death. My guess is that we took a peak into the future and drew inspiration from the deaths of Poirot and the dude from that movie about the death penalty. You know, the one starring Kevin Spacey.

/I'm in my 4th beer over here

514 bratwurst  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:24:42pm

re: #505 freetoken

I take it that Beck is trying to feed the Black vs. Jew antipathy that is so imagined?

I have long given up trying to figure out where that guy is coming from. Clearly he could have made his point about Liberation theology and his ongoing crusade against the evils of "social justice" without mentioning Jews at all. Some people (even some lizards it seems) are willing to give him a pass on it because he regularly says that the Jews DIDN'T kill Jesus. As I mention, that is about the same in my eyes as giving Rush a pass on his racism because he regularly reminds us he ISN'T racist.

515 Nimed  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:25:28pm

re: #503 Slumbering Behemoth

She likes knives? I have knives.

Nooo, but you guys are perfect together!!

516 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:26:42pm

re: #515 Nimed

We still talking about the same person? I'd put my mouth on parts of her body she didn't even know she had.

517 Gus  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:27:17pm

re: #512 Slumbering Behemoth

Sure, as soon as the talk turns to knives you scurry off to cuddle with your gatling laser. I see how you are.

I still have one of these...

[Link: www.sportingoutbacksupplies.com.au...]

Not the exact model. They don't make those anymore. Might be a collectors item.

518 prairiefire  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:28:34pm

re: #514 bratwurst

I think he is incredibly jaded with a deep, wounded streak. When he was drinking and a radio disc jockey, he called up his ex-partner's wife. She was at home recuperating from a miscarriage. He told he disparagingly, "he couldn't even do that right."
He blames this behavior on the alcohol and drugs. I blame it on his character.

519 Nimed  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:30:34pm

re: #516 Slumbering Behemoth

We still talking about the same person? I'd put my mouth on parts of her body she didn't even know she had.

Good lord.

520 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:30:40pm

re: #517 Gus 802

Ooh, pretty. I've got this wooden handled thing that the neighbor kid gave me a few years back. Looks very nice, but there are no maker's marks on it to speak of.

If I get off my lazy ass one day and start a photobucket account, I may link to it just to get the opinion of someone who knows more about knives than "Ooh, pretty".

521 prairiefire  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:30:53pm

re: #518 prairiefire

pimf he told her disparagingly

522 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:32:43pm

re: #505 freetoken

I take it that Beck is trying to feed the Black vs. Jew antipathy that is so imagined?

He's very late to the party. American Jews wept over that one for decades. We seem to have lost interest now.

523 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:32:45pm

re: #519 Nimed

Good lord.

Typically the feedback I get mostly consists of "Oh god!", or perhaps a handful of joyous expletives. "Oh lord" is not one I've heard much.

524 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:33:10pm

re: #523 Slumbering Behemoth

Err, "Good lord", I mean.

525 Gus  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:33:41pm

re: #520 Slumbering Behemoth

Ooh, pretty. I've got this wooden handled thing that the neighbor kid gave me a few years back. Looks very nice, but there are no maker's marks on it to speak of.

If I get off my lazy ass one day and start a photobucket account, I may link to it just to get the opinion of someone who knows more about knives than "Ooh, pretty".

Buck makes great knives. My dad had a large model. Every other person had a Buck Ranger back in the 70s-80s which he also had. Great knives. And yes, I have a whetstone.

526 bratwurst  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:36:26pm

re: #518 prairiefire

I think he is incredibly jaded with a deep, wounded streak. When he was drinking and a radio disc jockey, he called up his ex-partner's wife. She was at home recuperating from a miscarriage. He told he disparagingly, "he couldn't even do that right."
He blames this behavior on the alcohol and drugs. I blame it on his character.

I read that same story. The guy is out there to say the least. I would just like him to kindly leave my people out of his paranoid axe grinding.

527 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:37:30pm

re: #525 Gus 802

Everyone wanted a Buck when I was a kid. I've got a beat up one in a tool box somewhere that I found in the gutter when I was young. The tip was filed flat in what I assume was an attempt to make a crude screwdriver.

528 prairiefire  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:38:18pm

re: #522 SanFranciscoZionist

He's very late to the party. American Jews wept over that one for decades. We seem to have lost interest now.

Is the strong Social Justices' push still strong with Jewish folks? I don't know. So many families have prospered in the last 3 generations, I do think there has been a fiscal shift to the Right. (Mort Zuckerman)
The establishment (haberdasher Harry Truman) and support of the nation State of Israel has been an incredible American Jewish focus.

529 Gus  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:38:55pm

re: #527 Slumbering Behemoth

Everyone wanted a Buck when I was a kid. I've got a beat up one in a tool box somewhere that I found in the gutter when I was young. The tip was filed flat in what I assume was an attempt to make a crude screwdriver.

Ouch!

"Hey, I need a flat head screwdriver!"

"Well, I got this buck knife."

"OK, let's grind the tip down and make a flat head screwdriver!"

/

530 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:39:37pm

re: #528 prairiefire

Is the strong Social Justices' push still strong with Jewish folks? I don't know. So many families have prospered in the last 3 generations, I do think there has been a fiscal shift to the Right. (Mort Zuckerman)
The establishment (haberdasher Harry Truman) and support of the nation State of Israel has been an incredible American Jewish focus.

I think there is still a strong focus on social justice in many parts of the community.

531 bratwurst  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:42:00pm

re: #528 prairiefire

Is the strong Social Justices' push still strong with Jewish folks? I don't know. So many families have prospered in the last 3 generations, I do think there has been a fiscal shift to the Right. (Mort Zuckerman)
The establishment (haberdasher Harry Truman) and support of the nation State of Israel has been an incredible American Jewish focus.

Ask Ludwig about this next time you see him around. Social justice is an absolute tenant of our religion, תיקון עולם (tikkun olam - "repairing the world") is a sacred obligation.

532 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:43:19pm

re: #529 Gus 802

Sacrilege. True sacrilege.

I used to get mailers from this site way back when. No idea how I ended up on their mailing list.

533 Gus  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:44:39pm

re: #518 prairiefire

I think he is incredibly jaded with a deep, wounded streak. When he was drinking and a radio disc jockey, he called up his ex-partner's wife. She was at home recuperating from a miscarriage. He told he disparagingly, "he couldn't even do that right."
He blames this behavior on the alcohol and drugs. I blame it on his character.

Yep. Being an asshole is a preexisting condition. I've seen people do the same alcohol or drugs and watched as it resulted in two different responses. How Beck morphed into this spokesman for a "movement"? Well, that's above my pay grade. The only reason I can think of is that his popularity is in large part due to the "dumbing down of American."

534 prairiefire  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:45:30pm

re: #531 bratwurst

Yes. I think a lot of that good will and effort has gone to the State of Israel.

535 Nimed  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:46:04pm

re: #523 Slumbering Behemoth

Typically the feedback I get mostly consists of "Oh god!", or perhaps a handful of joyous expletives. "Oh lord" is not one I've heard much.

Eh. I mostly get "done already?" myself. You know, if sex was a race, I would always win.
///

536 Gus  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:47:02pm
537 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:47:26pm

re: #534 prairiefire

Yes. I think a lot of that good will and effort has gone to the State of Israel.

Sure. People focus on what's close to home, first.

538 Nimed  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:48:26pm

re: #533 Gus 802

Yep. Being an asshole is a preexisting condition. I've seen people do the same alcohol or drugs and watched as it resulted in two different responses. How Beck morphed into this spokesman for a "movement"? Well, that's above my pay grade. The only reason I can think of is that his popularity is in large part due to the "dumbing down of American."

I remember Beck on CNN. Never saw his present success coming.

539 prairiefire  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:48:46pm

re: #537 SanFranciscoZionist

Do you mean close to your heart?

540 bratwurst  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:49:56pm

re: #538 Nimed

I remember Beck on CNN. Never saw his present success coming.

Neither did CNN!

541 Gus  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:50:56pm

re: #538 Nimed

I remember Beck on CNN. Never saw his present success coming.

Neither did I. Right place, right time I guess. Now he makes a great living by scaring people to death with his big head and blue eyes. He has an "Aryan" appeal.

542 sagehen  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:51:40pm

re: #522 SanFranciscoZionist

He's very late to the party. American Jews wept over that one for decades. We seem to have lost interest now.

Blacks and Jews are rediscovering our simpatico, bonding through our shared hatred of Sarah Palin.

See, she does have a purpose....

543 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:52:35pm

re: #539 prairiefire

Do you mean close to your heart?

Yep.

544 Gus  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:53:41pm

First memories of Elton John.

Country Comfort - Elton John

545 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:53:44pm

re: #542 sagehen

Blacks and Jews are rediscovering our simpatico, bonding through our shared hatred of Sarah Palin.

See, she does have a purpose...

I'm note sure we dislike Sarah more than the average non-Sarah-admirer, but I guess it's one way to bond...

546 prairiefire  Sat, Jul 17, 2010 11:58:45pm

re: #545 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm note sure we dislike Sarah more than the average non-Sarah-admirer, but I guess it's one way to bond...

I think her Christian Warrior Maiden persona makes some Jews uncomfortable.

547 Nimed  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 12:02:07am

re: #541 Gus 802

Neither did I. Right place, right time I guess. Now he makes a great living by scaring people to death with his big head and blue eyes. He has an "Aryan" appeal.

Speaking of Aryan appeal, did you see this Irenicum page?
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Chomsky being reasonable (yeah, yeah, I know). Perhaps the comparison he draws is still a bit over the top, but he describes very well the role of the Becks of this world.

548 Gus  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 12:02:17am
549 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 12:02:28am

re: #546 prairiefire

I think her Christian Warrior Maiden persona makes some Jews uncomfortable.

It sure makes me uncomfortable.

550 Nimed  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 12:03:18am

re: #545 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm note sure we dislike Sarah more than the average non-Sarah-admirer, but I guess it's one way to bond...

I remember reading an article that makes that case. I'll see if I can find it.

551 prairiefire  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 12:05:15am

re: #549 SanFranciscoZionist

It sure makes me uncomfortable.

Yea, for one and all alike. I think it is interesting her favorable rating poll numbers are pretty much equal to George W. Bush"s.

552 Gus  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 12:08:05am

re: #547 Nimed

Speaking of Aryan appeal, did you see this Irenicum page?
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Chomsky being reasonable (yeah, yeah, I know). Perhaps the comparison he draws is still a bit over the top, but he describes very well the role of the Becks of this world.

I only disagree with Noam Chomsky on the Palestine-Israel issue. Otherwise, he's usually presents a very compelling and sometimes accurate description on others. He's not anti-Semitic. His views on Palestine-Israel even though I don't rightly agree doesn't make him so. He's Jewish and there are plenty of people in Israel that agree with him. Life isn't always black and white. He's certainly not a racist.

553 Nimed  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 12:08:55am

re: #545 SanFranciscoZionist

Here it is:
[Link: www.commentarymagazine.com...]

It's from Commentary mag -- caveat emptor. An excerpt:

In a September 2008 poll by the American Jewish Committee (AJC), Jews disapproved of Palin as the pick for McCain’s vice-presidential running mate by a 54 to 37 percent margin. (By contrast, 73 percent approved of the selection of Joseph Biden as Obama’s.) Ask an average American Jew about Palin and you are likely to get a nonverbal response—a shiver, a shudder, a roll of the eyes, or a guffaw. Naomi Wolf, the feminist writer, sputtered that Palin was the “FrankenBarbie of the Rove-Cheney cabal,” articulating the mixture of contempt and fear that seemed to grip many Jewish women. The disdain is palpable and largely emotional. While 78 percent of American Jews voted for the Obama-Biden ticket, it is fair to say that most did not harbor animosity toward or contempt for Senator John McCain; the same cannot be said of their view of Palin. Prominent Jews like Reagan-era arms-control official Kenneth Adelman, who expressed great admiration for McCain, proclaimed that the selection of Palin was beyond reason: “Not only is Sarah Palin not close to being acceptable in high office, I would not have hired her for even a mid-level post in the arms-control agency.”

554 sagehen  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 12:15:07am

re: #553 Nimed

Even if she'd been smart enough, it's just a given that anybody who gets Dobson's enthusiastic thumbs-up isn't going to find much Jewish support.

555 prairiefire  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 12:17:13am

re: #553 Nimed

No, the gal will never be hired for a mid-level post. She can't handle the responsibility.

556 freetoken  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 12:22:58am

re: #554 sagehen

Even if she'd been [A] smart enough, it's just a given that anybody who gets [B] Dobson's enthusiastic thumbs-up isn't going to find much Jewish support.

A and B are in logical conflict. It's like saying "C and not-C". It's null.

557 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 12:26:20am

G'nite all. In parting, a neat little illusion.

Something you may be able to use to completely destroy the minds of those who wonder how Fuckin' Magnets work.

Laters.

558 Nimed  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 12:28:44am

re: #552 Gus 802

I only disagree with Noam Chomsky on the Palestine-Israel issue. Otherwise, he's usually presents a very compelling and sometimes accurate description on others. He's not anti-Semitic. His views on Palestine-Israel even though I don't rightly agree doesn't make him so. He's Jewish and there are plenty of people in Israel that agree with him. Life isn't always black and white. He's certainly not a racist.

Yeah, but that "only" is a pretty big only. Incidentally, there's an interesting debate on Israel between Chomsky and Alan Dershowitz on youtube.

I've had my first real contact with Chomsky's ideas as a Cognitive Science undergrad. He is a god in the field, and not just in Psycholinguistics -- his academic work is really extraordinary.

As to his political opinions: he can be a very good, albeit quite ruthless, critic of U.S. domestic and foreign policy, and there's something to be said about his Propaganda Model. But he really is too harsh and rigid on some stuff. And not just Israel. For instance, he is still a staunch defender of a pretty radical left-libertarianism, which is a political philosophy that has arguably been tried and failed... in Israel (in some kibbutzim). And his political opinions colors his view of every political issue he writes about.

559 freetoken  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 12:34:17am
560 Gus  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 12:38:24am

re: #558 Nimed

Yeah, but that "only" is a pretty big only. Incidentally, there's an interesting debate on Israel between Chomsky and Alan Dershowitz on youtube.

I've had my first real contact with Chomsky's ideas as a Cognitive Science undergrad. He is a god in the field, and not just in Psycholinguistics -- his academic work is really extraordinary.

As to his political opinions: he can be a very good, albeit quite ruthless, critic of U.S. domestic and foreign policy, and there's something to be said about his Propaganda Model. But he really is too harsh and rigid on some stuff. And not just Israel. For instance, he is still a staunch defender of a pretty radical left-libertarianism, which is a political philosophy that has arguably been tried and failed... in Israel (in some kibbutzim). And his political opinions colors his view of every political issue he writes about.

So what do we do ban him? I think it's odd that there is this self-censorship of Chomsky while people will defend Glenn Beck and Mark Steyn to this day. Chomsky is rigid yes. But he was also interviewed by William F. Buckley back in the day. Today, I doubt he would be even touched by these so called conservatives. Chomsky is radical to many people, yes. He even criticizes the New York Times which is a frequent right-wing meme. He also spoke at West Point. Having known radicalism, he isn't that radical.

561 freetoken  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 12:44:56am

re: #560 Gus 802

For today's revanchists/atavists Chomsky is not only a "leftist" but he is an academic, intellectual elitist of the highest order. Many of Buckley's interviewees would suffer like fate.

562 freetoken  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 12:45:23am
563 Gus  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 12:45:50am

re: #561 freetoken

For today's revanchists/atavists Chomsky is not only a "leftist" but he is an academic, intellectual elitist of the highest order. Many of Buckley's interviewees would suffer like fate.

Censorship is a fascist proclivity.

564 freetoken  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 12:46:54am

re: #563 Gus 802

Yes it is, but it is also highly characteristic of any highly authoritarian society.

565 tnguitarist  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 12:47:07am

Who's up? I just got home.....

566 Gus  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 12:47:56am

re: #564 freetoken

Yes it is, but it is also highly characteristic of any highly authoritarian society.

But they, the Teabaggers, are all about freedom and interested in the strife of the peasant class.

//

567 freetoken  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 12:49:06am

re: #566 Gus 802

They are reactionaries, some bordering on anarchists.

568 Cato the Elder  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 12:49:44am

My problem with Chomsky is he never fails to make the perfect the enemy of the good.

Oh, and a few other little things like total disconnection from reality, a related symptom.

Was it not Noam who confidently predicted that the invasion of Afghanistan would cost the lives of "three million Afghans" inside of a month or so?

569 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 12:50:23am

re: #565 tnguitarist

Who's up? I just got home...

up but working ;-)

570 freetoken  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 12:50:56am

In my search for Japanese listening practice on Youtube I've come across many lovely female singers and catchy tunes. Here is a nice little piece:

571 tnguitarist  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 12:51:02am

re: #569 WindUpBird

up but working ;-)

Just got back from a gig. First one in forever. wOOt!

572 Nimed  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 12:52:37am

re: #560 Gus 802

So what do we do ban him? I think it's odd that there is this self-censorship of Chomsky while people will defend Glenn Beck and Mark Steyn to this day. Chomsky is rigid yes. But he was also interviewed by William F. Buckley back in the day. Today, I doubt he would be even touched by these so called conservatives. Chomsky is radical to many people, yes. He even criticizes the New York Times which is a frequent right-wing meme. He also spoke at West Point. Having known radicalism, he isn't that radical.

Oh man, sorry if I gave the wrong impression. I couldn't agree with you more completely on this. Particularly the first sentence -- Beck and Steyn are just poisonous morons with nothing good to be said in their favor, and it's pretty sad that they are more acceptable in our public discourse than Chomsky. By the way, he totally kicked Buckley's ass in that interview.

I was just giving my opinion on the man. Because he is very intelligent, one automatically holds him to a higher standard than dimwits like Beck. So when absolutely outrageous stuff comes out of his mouth, I tend to be much more angry about it.

573 freetoken  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 12:53:16am

re: #565 tnguitarist

Who's up? I just got home...

Up but working on some images from Japan I've left undone for a few years... maybe I'll put one in the Pages in the morning.

574 Gus  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 12:53:21am

re: #568 Cato the Elder

My problem with Chomsky is he never fails to make the perfect the enemy of the good.

Oh, and a few other little things like total disconnection from reality, a related symptom.

Was it not Noam who confidently predicted that the invasion of Afghanistan would cost the lives of "three million Afghans" inside of a month or so?

He's not perfect. He might even have a lot of similar ideas with you.

Noam Chomsky talks about the passing of William F. Buckley

He goes off on a tangent and is really passive/aggressive about Buckley. But his views on Reagan. Well, you'll see.

575 tnguitarist  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 12:54:37am

re: #573 freetoken

Up but working on some images from Japan I've left undone for a few years... maybe I'll put one in the Pages in the morning.

I would love to go to Japan.

576 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 12:55:12am

re: #57 Renaissance_Man

Actually, I'm pretty okay with that interpretation too.

>:-/

577 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 12:55:57am

re: #571 tnguitarist

Just got back from a gig. First one in forever. wOOt!

AAAAGH YOU'RE KILLING ME HERE I gotta get back in a band. :P

578 Gus  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 12:56:44am

re: #572 Nimed

Oh man, sorry if I gave the wrong impression. I couldn't agree with you more completely on this. Particularly the first sentence -- Beck and Steyn are just poisonous morons with nothing good to be said in their favor, and it's pretty sad that they are more acceptable in our public discourse than Chomsky. By the way, he totally kicked Buckley's ass in that interview.

I was just giving my opinion on the man. Because he is very intelligent, one automatically holds him to a higher standard than dimwits like Beck. So when absolutely outrageous stuff comes out of his mouth, I tend to be much more angry about it.

Understood.

We live in a culture now where we expect to be protected by controversial views. Yet, at the same time we are bombarded with not on controversial views but ignorant, atavistic, and sometimes racist views by way of the right wing and Fox News. It's very, passive, and aggressive.

Protect us not from evil, and Chomsky, but give us Beck.

579 freetoken  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 12:57:22am

re: #568 Cato the Elder

I've long written off Chomsky as yet another old guy who made his important contributions years ago, not unlike so many scientists who in their doddering old age demerit* themselves.


* Yeah, I know it's a noun, but I wish to use it as a verb.

580 tnguitarist  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 12:57:27am

re: #577 WindUpBird

AAAGH YOU'RE KILLING ME HERE I gotta get back in a band. :P

It took me forevah.....Do you know how hard it is to find musicians in middle Tennessee who don't play gospel or country?!?

581 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 12:57:49am

re: #580 tnguitarist

It took me forevah...Do you know how hard it is to find musicians in middle Tennessee who don't play gospel or country?!?

Oh lordy, I can imagine.

What kind of band?

582 tnguitarist  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 12:58:21am

re: #579 freetoken

I've long written off Chomsky as yet another old guy who made his important contributions years ago, not unlike so many scientists who in their doddering old age demerit* themselves.

* Yeah, I know it's a noun, but I wish to use it as a verb.

demeritize....there ya go

583 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 12:58:51am

Goodnight, All.

584 tnguitarist  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 12:59:05am

re: #581 WindUpBird

Oh lordy, I can imagine.

What kind of band?

Rock covers, but I'll take it.

585 Gus  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 12:59:32am
586 freetoken  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 12:59:49am

re: #575 tnguitarist

I would love to go to Japan.

Just a few years ago, one used to be able to get round trip from the West coast to Japan for about $600.

It's a tough place to live, but for a vacation a pretty good choice.

Here's an invitation.

587 Nimed  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 12:59:50am

re: #568 Cato the Elder

My problem with Chomsky is he never fails to make the perfect the enemy of the good.

Oh, and a few other little things like total disconnection from reality, a related symptom.

Was it not Noam who confidently predicted that the invasion of Afghanistan would cost the lives of "three million Afghans" inside of a month or so?

I think he was citing an estimate on that occasion, not making a prediction. Not sure, though. I agree with the rest of your comment, though.

588 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 1:00:18am

re: #584 tnguitarist

Rock covers, but I'll take it.

it's a thing!

I'd love to be in a cover band that just heavied up 80's songs. Don't You Want Me by the Human League, but as covered by Slayer :D

589 Gus  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 1:01:12am

re: #579 freetoken

I've long written off Chomsky as yet another old guy who made his important contributions years ago, not unlike so many scientists who in their doddering old age demerit* themselves.

* Yeah, I know it's a noun, but I wish to use it as a verb.

Most people are idiots. That's a given.

590 tnguitarist  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 1:01:14am

re: #586 freetoken

Just a few years ago, one used to be able to get round trip from the West coast to Japan for about $600.

It's a tough place to live, but for a vacation a pretty good choice.

Here's an invitation.

I don't think I could live there. It seems a bit rigid. Correct me if I'm wrong.

591 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 1:01:55am

re: #553 Nimed

Here it is:
[Link: www.commentarymagazine.com...]

It's from Commentary mag -- caveat emptor. An excerpt:

Oh, I recall that piece. Commentary...eh.

592 tnguitarist  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 1:03:10am

re: #588 WindUpBird

it's a thing!

I'd love to be in a cover band that just heavied up 80's songs. Don't You Want Me by the Human League, but as covered by Slayer :D

As far as originals go, I've always played heavier stuff. We play a beefed-up version of the Safety Dance, if you can believe it!

593 Nimed  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 1:05:44am

re: #591 SanFranciscoZionist

Oh, I recall that piece. Commentary...eh.

Jennifer Rubin 9_9
"American Jews don't like Palin. BUT WHYYY, IT MAKES NO SENSE WHATSOEVER, SARAH LOVES US SO MUCH."

594 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 1:07:33am

re: #592 tnguitarist

As far as originals go, I've always played heavier stuff. We play a beefed-up version of the Safety Dance, if you can believe it!

Oh that sounds like fun :D

595 Gus  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 1:08:15am

I'm almost dead anyway. Used to think Chomsky was the greatest thing since sliced bread. I'm dead in the water because of my finances thanks to living in the land of greed: the United States of America. It's all bullshit really. Life is an illusion, then you die.

596 freetoken  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 1:09:52am

re: #590 tnguitarist

I don't think I could live there. It seems a bit rigid. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Rigid?

There are Americans who find it difficult to conform to even the most common of social requirements, such as taking off one's shoes. But on the whole they don't expect much of foreigners beyond obeying the laws.

597 freetoken  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 1:10:35am

re: #595 Gus 802

Hmmm... you sound a bit down. Sorry to hear you are in a difficult way.

598 freetoken  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 1:11:57am
599 ryannon  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 1:12:28am

re: #563 Gus 802

Censorship is a fascist proclivity.

Mwaahaahahahahaha!

You win the thread.

Maybe even the whole damn forum.

600 tnguitarist  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 1:12:43am

re: #595 Gus 802

I'm almost dead anyway. Used to think Chomsky was the greatest thing since sliced bread. I'm dead in the water because of my finances thanks to living in the land of greed: the United States of America. It's all bullshit really. Life is an illusion, then you die.

Sucks, but I feel ya. I had a great job up north, but we had to move back here because our house wouldn't sell. I love Tennessee, but I can't find a job at all and we've got a kid on the way. I get pretty down from time to time, but I just keep chugging along.

601 Gus  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 1:13:06am

re: #597 freetoken

Hmmm... you sound a bit down. Sorry to hear you are in a difficult way.

Thanks. That's why I've been growing this beard. I give up. Haven't checked my mail in a month. The subscription price to live in this stupid place is way to high anyway.

602 tnguitarist  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 1:14:19am

re: #601 Gus 802

Thanks. That's why I've been growing this beard. I give up. Haven't checked my mail in a month. The subscription price to live in this stupid place is way to high anyway.

Are you wearing jogging pants? If so, them it's official.

603 Gus  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 1:14:35am

re: #599 ryannon

Mwaahaahahahahaha!

You win the thread.

Maybe even the whole damn forum.

Awesome.

604 Gus  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 1:15:03am

re: #602 tnguitarist

Are you wearing jogging pants? If so, them it's official.

Nah. Briefs.

605 tnguitarist  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 1:16:34am

re: #604 Gus 802

Nah. Briefs.

Them = then. I'm drunk.

606 Gus  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 1:17:24am

re: #605 tnguitarist

Them = then. I'm drunk.

I didn't notice. People that notice things like that are anal.

607 tnguitarist  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 1:25:13am

re: #606 Gus 802

I didn't notice. People that notice things like that are anal.

Why do they have to be next to each other on the key board?

Steroids (medical) are wearing off, rum is kicking in. Good night y'all.

608 ryannon  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 1:29:06am

Amadou and Mariam: Sabali;

609 ryannon  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 1:34:42am

Honeyroot: Sunrise, Sunset:

610 ryannon  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 1:40:59am

Moby: "Lift Me Up"

611 ryannon  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 1:45:32am

Perry Como: "My Cup Runneth Over"

612 ryannon  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 1:50:35am

David Sylvain: "Let the Happiness In"

613 Cato the Elder  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 1:55:31am

re: #593 Nimed

Jennifer Rubin 9_9
"American Jews don't like Palin. BUT WHYYY, IT MAKES NO SENSE WHATSOEVER, SARAH LOVES US SO MUCH."

Sarah Palin loves the Jews the way a glutton loves his lunch.

614 laZardo  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 2:17:33am
615 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 2:26:15am
When engaging your adversaries, that approach has its place. But it’s worth saying that there are other approaches and other places. Among them—respectfully administering the occasional reminder as to the precise nature of the motherfuckers you are dealing with.

I submit that Christopher Hitchens is the unparalleled master of this approach to writing.

616 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 2:30:22am

re: #614 laZardo

The comback of the century would be if he has secretly embedded "Never Gonna Give You Up" in it somewhere. Perhaps, as with Kryptos, chanologists are already poring over it in search of clues...

617 A Man for all Seasons  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 2:33:03am

Well Crap! Indy made the news...
8 people were shot at Black Expo last night.

618 A Man for all Seasons  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 2:34:48am

9 shot
[Link: www.indystar.com...]

619 laZardo  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 2:40:02am

re: #617 HoosierHoops

Well Crap! Indy made the news...
8 people were shot at Black Expo last night.

And speaking of chanologists, I already had 4chan open in another window.

I'm sorry.

620 A Man for all Seasons  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 2:43:49am

re: #619 laZardo

And speaking of chanologists, I already had 4chan open in another window.

I'm sorry.

This is bad news for the Black Expo..The last couple of years there have been money issues and sponsorship issues. and now this.

621 ryannon  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 3:06:23am

Ice Cube: "Jackin' for Beats"

622 ryannon  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 3:09:22am

Nas: "One Mic"

623 Cato the Elder  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 3:15:03am

More "Firefly", from "The Message":

Zoe: "Scared her away again, did you?"

Simon: "This may come as a shock, but I'm actually not very good at talking to girls."

Zoe: "Why, is there someone you are good at talking to?"

624 A Man for all Seasons  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 3:21:12am

re: #621 ryannon

I like Ice Cube.. He was great in 'Fridays'

625 Randall Gross  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 3:30:16am

The periodic table of irrational nonsense *warning might be offensive to religious people with little faith*

Image: Woo+Table+v1.4.png

626 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 3:32:42am

re: #625 Thanos

It's not working! Here, this one works

627 Randall Gross  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 3:33:26am

re: #626 windupbird

Thanks, probably has it blocked.

628 A Man for all Seasons  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 3:34:24am

re: #627 Thanos

Thanks, probably has it blocked.

How are you feeling today?

629 Randall Gross  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 3:38:14am

re: #628 HoosierHoops

Pretty darned good, I'm a bit sore and have weight and reach restrictions on my arms until the pacemaker pouch and sternum heal, but I'm able to exercise much longer than I was able before I went in. I still need a couple of naps per day as I get wound down from the healing, but overall I'm very happy I had this done, I can see where things are going to be much better in a few weeks. Plus I get to live... how can you beat that?

630 Randall Gross  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 3:43:08am

Hrmmm this is not good

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

631 A Man for all Seasons  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 3:43:13am

re: #629 Thanos

Pretty darned good, I'm a bit sore and have weight and reach restrictions on my arms until the pacemaker pouch and sternum heal, but I'm able to exercise much longer than I was able before I went in. I still need a couple of naps per day as I get wound down from the healing, but overall I'm very happy I had this done, I can see where things are going to be much better in a few weeks. Plus I get to live... how can you beat that?

You can't beat that..I'm very happy for you and have been pulling for you to have a complete recovery..Good Luck Thanos!

632 Randall Gross  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 3:45:56am

re: #631 HoosierHoops

Thanks... in other news the Beer Keg bomber was convicted

[Link: www.mercurynews.com...]

633 A Man for all Seasons  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 3:50:51am

re: #632 Thanos

Thanks... in other news the Beer Keg bomber was convicted

[Link: www.mercurynews.com...]

The only part of Sackoftomatoes I like is old town...Generally Sac sucks
*wink*

634 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 3:56:24am

re: #630 Thanos

WITCHCRAFT NOSTRADAMUS HOLLOW EARTH ORBS BIBLECODE ATLANTIS *power chords*

Thank you for pointing this out to me, I'm sending it to everyone I know now, haha

635 A Man for all Seasons  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 4:03:48am

I transfered the Prayer list onto my new Elitebook laptop..
Have I mentioned how much I despise Office 2007? What a crap suite of programs...If I wanted a slower email version of Outlook I'd just run it on a slow computer..And if I were Microsoft I'd move around all the menu options so nobody can find anything...Great upgrade MS..

636 Randall Gross  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 4:15:50am

From America's newly appointed poet-laureate, W.S. Merwin:
Thanks
by W. S. Merwin

Listen
with the night falling we are saying thank you
we are stopping on the bridges to bow from the railings
we are running out of the glass rooms
with our mouths full of food to look at the sky
and say thank you
we are standing by the water thanking it
smiling by the windows looking out
in our directions

back from a series of hospitals back from a mugging
after funerals we are saying thank you
after the news of the dead
whether or not we knew them we are saying thank you

over telephones we are saying thank you
in doorways and in the backs of cars and in elevators
remembering wars and the police at the door
and the beatings on stairs we are saying thank you
in the banks we are saying thank you
in the faces of the officials and the rich
and of all who will never change
we go on saying thank you thank you

with the animals dying around us
our lost feelings we are saying thank you
with the forests falling faster than the minutes
of our lives we are saying thank you
with the words going out like cells of a brain
with the cities growing over us
we are saying thank you faster and faster
with nobody listening we are saying thank you
we are saying thank you and waving
dark though it is

637 Fart Knocker  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 4:22:31am

Good Morning to Charles' Private Denver-Airport-Subterranean-Lair Living Private Army.

Today's Simpson quote:

Chief Wiggum: Can’t you people take the law into your own hands? I mean, we can’t be policing the entire city!

638 Fart Knocker  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 4:23:12am

re: #637 rwdflynavy

That's right, I used Private twice! It is that important!
//

639 Fart Knocker  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 4:30:41am

Twilight for Guys.

Probably Not Safe for Work.

640 A Man for all Seasons  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 4:35:22am

Well I just saw for the first time Father Morris on Fox.. He is the perfect priest for Fox..He is just so outraged about an outrage about abortion funds..
You know what Father Morris..Get on your soapbox and preach about priests raping little boys..Until then STFU...
You got nothing little Fox priest boy

641 Cato the Elder  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 4:45:38am

LOL. I just went out for a rare treat - breakfast at McDonald's. OK, sometimes I get a yen for some real nasty comfort food.

So what was on the radio while I was pigging out on a Sausage McMuffin and hashbrowns?

Barbara Kinsolver talking about her book "Animal, Vegetable, Miracle", in which she describes living "sustainably" as a "locavore" for a year with her family in Arizona.

Maybe it was the combination of my un-PC breakfast and her tone of voice, but I have to say that seldom in my life have I heard a more self-righteous person talk about anything. Here she is, a well-known, wealthy author with a bloody book contract paying her to do what she insists everyone else should be doing - and, pray, how am I supposed to get away with raising chickens and turkeys and slaughtering them in my urban backyard? - and talking about it in a way so dripping with self-congratulation that I nearly choked on my delicious fast food.

But where I really almost punched the radio through the dashboard and out into the engine compartment was when she somehow managed to bring her patting-of-self-on-back prattle into relation with her take on Hurricane Katrina. The implication being that if we could all just get a nice house in Arizona and have a publisher pay us to do like she did, the weather would change.

I still may puke up my breakfast.

642 Cato the Elder  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 4:51:16am

PIMF: "Kingsolver"

643 A Man for all Seasons  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 5:14:53am

Well..This time next Sunday I'll be on the Road driving south.
There will be no prayer list posted next Sunday, But I will be playing a Delbert McClinton CD at 11 cruising down the road..
1) Winston will think I have given him away and left him forever,, He is staying at a young ladies house...Poor Winston
2) Music...I'm burning CD's for the Road trip
3) Next Saturday Night I'll be in Springfield, Mo. What could be worse?
4) What could be worse? Not knowing when you will be back home to pick up my dog and stuff. I think I hate you Hoopster! You left me in Indiana!
5) Winston.. Just wait till we stop in Springfield..You are going to love it!

644 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 5:18:42am

re: #641 Cato the Elder

When did "holier than thou" become a career?

645 Fart Knocker  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 5:33:58am

re: #644 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

When did "holier than thou" become a career?

About the time folks started outsourcing their thinking to others. Or forever, whichever you prefer.

646 ryannon  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 5:37:03am

re: #643 HoosierHoops

Well..This time next Sunday I'll be on the Road driving south.
There will be no prayer list posted next Sunday, But I will be playing a Delbert McClinton CD at 11 cruising down the road..
1) Winston will think I have given him away and left him forever,, He is staying at a young ladies house...Poor Winston
2) Music...I'm burning CD's for the Road trip
3) Next Saturday Night I'll be in Springfield, Mo. What could be worse?
4) What could be worse? Not knowing when you will be back home to pick up my dog and stuff. I think I hate you Hoopster! You left me in Indiana!
5) Winston.. Just wait till we stop in Springfield..You are going to love it!


Stop worrying and just enjoy yourself, Hoops. When has your lucky star ever failed you?

647 A Man for all Seasons  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 5:40:41am

re: #646 ryannon

Stop worrying and just enjoy yourself, Hoops. When has your lucky star ever failed you?

Thanks! I worry that Winston will think I left him..But everything will be fine...

648 ryannon  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 5:41:50am

re: #647 HoosierHoops

Thanks! I worry that Winston will think I left him..But everything will be fine...

You betcha!

649 A Man for all Seasons  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 5:46:14am

re: #648 ryannon

You betcha!

On the road again -
Just can't wait to get on the road again.
The life I love is making music
with my friends

And I can't wait to get on the road again.
On the road again

Goin' places that I've never been.
Seein' things that I may never see again

And I can't wait to get on the road again.
On the road again -
Like a band of gypsies we go down the highway
We're the best of friends.
Insisting that the world keep turning our way

And our way
is on the road again.
Just can't wait to get on the road again.
The life I love is makin' music with my friends

And I can't wait to get on the road again.
On the road again

650 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 5:47:56am

re: #641 Cato the Elder

LOL. I just went out for a rare treat - breakfast at McDonald's. OK, sometimes I get a yen for some real nasty comfort food.

So what was on the radio while I was pigging out on a Sausage McMuffin and hashbrowns?

Barbara Kinsolver talking about her book "Animal, Vegetable, Miracle", in which she describes living "sustainably" as a "locavore" for a year with her family in Arizona.

Maybe it was the combination of my un-PC breakfast and her tone of voice, but I have to say that seldom in my life have I heard a more self-righteous person talk about anything. Here she is, a well-known, wealthy author with a bloody book contract paying her to do what she insists everyone else should be doing - and, pray, how am I supposed to get away with raising chickens and turkeys and slaughtering them in my urban backyard? - and talking about it in a way so dripping with self-congratulation that I nearly choked on my delicious fast food.

But where I really almost punched the radio through the dashboard and out into the engine compartment was when she somehow managed to bring her patting-of-self-on-back prattle into relation with her take on Hurricane Katrina. The implication being that if we could all just get a nice house in Arizona and have a publisher pay us to do like she did, the weather would change.

I still may puke up my breakfast.

I thought sustainability folks wanted everyone to live in high-density urban neigborhoods so that no one will have to burn hydrocarbons.

651 ryannon  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 5:51:50am

re: #649 HoosierHoops

Image: BS_logo.jpg

652 Ojoe  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 6:11:10am

Obama and Palin tied for first (?) place:

A new poll from Public Policy Polling shows President Obama trailing Mitt Romney, Mike Huckabee and Newt Gingrich in support for the 2012 presidential election.

Ex-Massachusetts Gov. Romney leads by 46 to 43 percent, ex-Arkansas Gov. Huckabee by 47 to 45 percent and ex-House Speaker Newt Gingrich by 46 to 45 percent.

Obama is tied with ex-Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin at 46 percent.

OK Cato have fun with this!

LINK

653 Randall Gross  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 6:20:26am

re: #643 HoosierHoops

Drive a little South from there and you can see this
The crazed clown at the intersection of science and superstition

654 fizzlogic  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 6:31:17am

re: #414 Gus 802

Nixon Now!
Nixon, now more than ever.
Four more years!

Remember those?

I have a small "Nixon Now" button from those days. It was one my father saved--he even took the family to Andrews AFB to wave goodbye to Nixon when he resigned.

655 Ojoe  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 6:35:57am

re: #654 trendsurfer

There were buttons that said Nixon in ---- , he's tan, rested and ready.

When he was ex president...

I forget what year they said.

656 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 6:36:38am

re: #641 Cato the Elder

LOL. I just went out for a rare treat - breakfast at McDonald's. OK, sometimes I get a yen for some real nasty comfort food.

So what was on the radio while I was pigging out on a Sausage McMuffin and hashbrowns?

Barbara Kinsolver talking about her book "Animal, Vegetable, Miracle", in which she describes living "sustainably" as a "locavore" for a year with her family in Arizona.

Maybe it was the combination of my un-PC breakfast and her tone of voice, but I have to say that seldom in my life have I heard a more self-righteous person talk about anything. Here she is, a well-known, wealthy author with a bloody book contract paying her to do what she insists everyone else should be doing - and, pray, how am I supposed to get away with raising chickens and turkeys and slaughtering them in my urban backyard? - and talking about it in a way so dripping with self-congratulation that I nearly choked on my delicious fast food.

But where I really almost punched the radio through the dashboard and out into the engine compartment was when she somehow managed to bring her patting-of-self-on-back prattle into relation with her take on Hurricane Katrina. The implication being that if we could all just get a nice house in Arizona and have a publisher pay us to do like she did, the weather would change.

I still may puke up my breakfast.

Who was that idiot who wrote "nickel and diming"? Another wealthy trust-fund douche who was paid by a publisher to live like "the humble folk" so that we can all learn what it is like to be poor?

I couldn't afford to buy that book.

657 Ojoe  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 6:38:47am

re: #656 Alouette

Since we have to get to sustainability at some point, it is maddening to have these "eloquent" self-appointed advocates for it.

658 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 6:39:40am

re: #657 Ojoe

Since we have to get to sustainability at some point, it is maddening to have these "eloquent" self-appointed advocates for it.

Especially since it is very obvious that the first thing you need is a whole bunch of money.

659 RogueOne  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 6:41:51am

re: #620 HoosierHoops

This is bad news for the Black Expo..The last couple of years there have been money issues and sponsorship issues. and now this.

Yeah, it's a shame. It seems it's always out-of-towners and kids causing the problems. The IBE certainly doesn't need the bad press. One of the injured was a 10 yr. old kid.

660 D. Tomeric  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 6:47:58am

re: #182 wlewisiii

You're welcome ;)

Now look up your favorite show there & go down the rabbit hole of all the tropes used in it :D

Yup. I easily spent 2 hours last night browsing through the main entry they have for the Mass Effect franchise. I didn't even bother getting to the game specific pages, I was too damn tired.

661 fizzlogic  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 6:51:52am

re: #655 Ojoe

I don't remember that one.

His presidency was such a tragedy--he accomplish some great things and yet had such a flawed character.

662 Mich-again  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:00:47am

From Spiegel Online. Here's a real shocker.. Anti-Semitic Alliance: The Shared Extremism of Neo-Nazis and Migrant Youth

Until now, attacks on Jews, Jewish institutions and Jewish symbols have almost always been committed by right-wing extremist groups. In the first quarter of 2010 alone, the German Interior Ministry documented 183 anti-Semitic offences committed by right-wing radicals, including graffiti, inflammatory propaganda and physical violence.

The stone-throwing incident in Hanover, however, has finally forced the authorities to take a closer look at a group of offenders that, though largely overlooked until now, is no less motivated by anti-Zionist sentiments: adolescents and young adults from an immigrant community who are influenced by Islamist ideas and are prepared to commit acts of violence.

I wonder if Shrieking Harpy will notice this story.

663 A Man for all Seasons  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:01:58am

The Little green football prayer list

On this day in 1940, Franklin Delano Roosevelt, who first took office in 1933 as America's 32nd president, is nominated for an unprecedented third term. Roosevelt, a Democrat, would eventually be elected to a record four terms in office, the only U.S. president to serve more than two terms.

Lord Almighty we pray this morning for the nation of Israel. Hold up their Navy and give them Strength and wisdom. We pray this morning that you grant grace to the men and women serving in the IDF. Hold your people in your strong arms Dear Lord and protect them forever.
We pray today for the Gulf Coast of America and for all those whose lives are affected by the oil spill. We pray for the environment that is being damaged.
We pray for Roi this morning…Because of the Oil spill he may be out of work.. Find him work we pray.
We pray for our Veterans today. [Link: www.drumhike.com...]
Thanos: Grant healing and strength to our dear friend
Obdicut: My friend Pam, who's ovarian cancer has returned. She's going into chemo again. And she believes in the power of prayer.
Dark_Falcon: His Mother had a stroke..She is getting better.. Please heal her Lord
Jadespring: Dear Lord bring healing to a Sister.. Bring grace and strength to the Family.
We pray for your tender mercies
Wlewisiii: If you would pray as appropriate to your beliefs for John Freuh, his step-mother, my sister Elisabeth & his father Rick, I'd appreciate it.
Dear Lord..We ask you this day you bring healing and grace to SFZ’s Father and Mother-in-law..
Help her in the Job search and finding her a new Career. .
We know your love brings healing and life.
Ausador: Parents
Irenicum: Lord heal this family and bring comfort to them..
Guanxi88: Best wishes and lizard mojo to my wife's best friend. her father committed suicide not two weeks after her mother succumbed to cancer.
Reine: Health and Family.. Lord we ask you grant Reine’s Daughter a Special blessing..Look after her and grant grace.
gregb - 4 year old son who suffered a head injury last Friday and spent the
weekend in the ICU with some lingering effects all week.Jadespring: Our prayers go out to your sister…May she be healed
Baseballmom57: My God grant grace and healing to her son…
lurking faith… prayers for an aunt
Beekiller: Sister has been diagnosed with Cancer…We pray for a speedy recovery
FBV: Add my friend Jeff. Recently diagnosed with ALS. His family will watch him fade and die over the next three to five years. Wife and two kids (kids are young adults).
Veggie Update: For the prayer list, my daughter's boyfriend is going to be moved out of intensive care and into rehab (we hope!) next week... beginning of a long journey.
I want to add thanksgiving that they will be able to do his rehab locally. There was talk that he was going to be moved three to five hours away from his family.
Prairiefire: Health for Family and friends
Mcspiff: if you could add my uncle to the list. He went in for surgery today and it didn't go so well. Extra organs had to come out, etc. Still just hearing bits and pieces now. But any prayers would be greatly appreciated.
Alouette’ Dear Father..His name in Hebrew is Pinhas ben Rivka. , and he is in congestive heart failure. He is 91 years old, and a WW2 Pacific vet.
Reloadingisnotahobby: Could add my parents?
They're in their 80's and slipping in to ALZ...Simultaneously
Thanos: We thank you Lord for a Healing and pray for strength
HoosierHoops: Bring peace and strength to Joe and his family
Thank you Lord..
Amen

664 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:15:21am

re: #662 Mich-again

From Spiegel Online. Here's a real shocker.. Anti-Semitic Alliance: The Shared Extremism of Neo-Nazis and Migrant Youth


I wonder if Shrieking Harpy will notice this story.

If she does, it'll cause a massive dose of cognistive dissonance.

665 Semper Fi  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:32:45am

Good morning lizards,
I'm really appreciating my desk setup with both laptop and tv monitors either side of center. The British Open has my complete attention and I'm pulling for Louis Oosthuizen. Incredible what he's doing.

666 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:35:58am

re: #665 Semper Fi

Good morning lizards,
I'm really appreciating my desk setup with both laptop and tv monitors either side of center. The British Open has my complete attention and I'm pulling for Louis Oosthuizen. Incredible what he's doing.

He's a relative unknown, isn't he?

667 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:40:16am

re: #662 Mich-again

From Spiegel Online. Here's a real shocker.. Anti-Semitic Alliance: The Shared Extremism of Neo-Nazis and Migrant Youth


I wonder if Shrieking Harpy will notice this story.

From a week ago:

Leftist anarchists in Berlin have reportedly been harassing immigrants showing their support for the German football team during the World Cup, tearing down national flags and even setting one on fire.

The leftists have been particularly aggressive in the city’s Neukölln district, home to many residents of Turkish and Arabic heritage, daily Der Tagesspiegel reported on Monday.

Here they have made a point of destroying and removing Germany flags hanging outside shops and vehicles because they believe the proud patriotism hearkens back to the ugly nationalism of the Third Reich, the paper said.

SNIP

668 Semper Fi  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:43:05am

re: #666 MandyManners

He's a relative unknown, isn't he?

I'm thinking he is as a little bit ago I thought I heard that this is his 8th or 9th tournament on the tour and has apparently missed the cut in the first 7 of 8. I was on the phone at the time and may not have that right. If anyone can clarify please do.

669 Cato the Elder  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:44:47am

re: #643 HoosierHoops

How can you have a Winston and not take him on a road trip?

670 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:46:01am

re: #668 Semper Fi

I'm thinking he is as a little bit ago I thought I heard that this is his 8th or 9th tournament on the tour and has apparently missed the cut in the first 7 of 8. I was on the phone at the time and may not have that right. If anyone can clarify please do.

His Wiki says that he's won six professional tournaments.

671 A Man for all Seasons  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:47:54am

re: #669 Cato the Elder

How can you have a Winston and not take him on a road trip?

I'll be in a Hotel for the next couple of weeks.. Little Winston will be staying with a lady friend.. When I take Winston to Oklahoma he will have a place to stay with me.

672 Semper Fi  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:48:15am

re: #670 MandyManners

His Wiki says that he's won six professional tournaments.

Then, obviously, I don't have that right. Sorry.

673 Cato the Elder  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:49:31am

re: #671 HoosierHoops

I'll be in a Hotel for the next couple of weeks.. Little Winston will be staying with a lady friend.. When I take Winston to Oklahoma he will have a place to stay with me.

Lots of hotels have dog-friendly policies...just sayin'.

674 A Man for all Seasons  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:51:26am

re: #673 Cato the Elder

Lots of hotels have dog-friendly policies...just sayin'.

Really? I'll check with Travel in the morning..I'd like to take him with me

675 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:57:22am

re: #641 Cato the Elder

Nothing is so annoying to sane people who live in the real world as a self-righteous Ivory Tower type.

676 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:00:24am

re: #664 MandyManners

If she does, it'll cause a massive dose of cognistive dissonance.

But it shouldn't. She's talked about the alliance between Grand Mufti Al-Husseini and Adolf Hitler. This should come as no surprise.

(It will, of course, since Geller fact processing part of the brain is chronically malfunctioning.)

677 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:00:52am

re: #674 HoosierHoops

Really? I'll check with Travel in the morning..I'd like to take him with me

I was in between apartments years ago (1991ish) and had to stay ay a hotel. Dogs everywhere. Turned out it was a police dog convention. I never felt safer and was never happy to be out of pot (at the time).:)

678 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:02:41am

re: #677 Cannadian Club Akbar

I was happy I was out of pot, my bad. PIMF.

679 albusteve  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:03:05am

MMS investigations of oil-rig accidents have history of inconsistency

not a pretty picture...can this same inept bunch of feds hope to regulate HC, the banks and Wall Street?...is albusteve the Pope?

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

680 pharmmajor  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:03:44am

Today's flying pig moment: Rand Paul defends Barack Obama's Afghanistan war decisions.

[Link: www.google.com...]

LEXINGTON, Ky. — A constant critic of President Barack Obama, Republican Rand Paul on Saturday defended the president's right to make decisions on the war in Afghanistan without interference from Congress.
Without mentioning Obama by name, the U.S. Senate candidate said Congress shouldn't micromanage the war in Afghanistan and should leave the decisions on troop levels to the White House. Paul spoke Saturday in Lexington at a Fayette County GOP picnic mostly about his conservative fiscal positions that have drawn him strong Tea Party support.
"I think when they have long-winded debates over how many troops there should be in a particular location, I don't really think that's the proper role of Congress," he said.
Still, he said he has some questions about the number of Afghan security forces after nearly nine years of war.
He said he's put that question to soldiers he's met during campaigning this year. Kentucky is home to two large military installations, Fort Knox and Fort Campbell, and many National Guard members.
"The answer I get from them is they would like to see the Afghanis step up more, too," he said.
Paul stuck to his points on how to strengthen the economy during his speech, including jabs at Democrats, to approximately 200 Republicans on a stormy summer evening in the heart of Kentucky's horse country. Paul has also become known for criticising Obama, particularly for his handling of the Gulf oil spill.
"The other side believes that government creates jobs and that government is the answer," he said. "Our side believes that entrepreneurs and businesses in the private sector create jobs."
He warned that if tax cuts from former President George W. Bush are allowed to expire next year, it could push the economy over the edge.
"If we allow the tax cuts to expire, it will be the equivalent of the largest increases in our taxes in history," he said. "If there is any one thing that could push us from a recession into a depression possibly... it would be a large tax increase."

681 A Man for all Seasons  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:04:21am

re: #677 Cannadian Club Akbar

I was in between apartments years ago (1991ish) and had to stay ay a hotel. Dogs everywhere. Turned out it was a police dog convention. I never felt safer and was never happy to be out of pot (at the time).:)

LOL
I love you man!
I hadn't even considered taking Winston thinking Hotels don't allow dogs...But if Hilton allows me my little dog we are going on a road trip together next weekend..Misery loves company

682 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:05:32am

re: #681 HoosierHoops

LOL
I love you man!
I hadn't even considered taking Winston thinking Hotels don't allow dogs...But if Hilton allows me my little dog we are going on a road trip together next weekend..Misery loves company

And when you take him to the pool, CHICKS!!!! WOOT!!

683 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:08:13am

re: #680 pharmmajor

Today's flying pig moment: Rand Paul defends Barack Obama's Afghanistan war decisions.

[Link: www.google.com...]

Alternative Title: Luap Dnar gets jerked back to reality by sane people.

684 A Man for all Seasons  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:09:11am

re: #682 Cannadian Club Akbar

And when you take him to the pool, CHICKS!!! WOOT!!

I'm not one to say this..But Winston is a complete Chick Magnet...The girls come running over' Ooohhh he is so cute!' I've heard that line a thousand times...I love you Winston you cute ass little dog.
Who knew?

685 albusteve  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:09:32am

But as the Islamic Center of Temecula Valley moves ahead with plans to build on a four-acre plot of vacant land near Temecula's gentle hills and invading housing developments, plans for the new mosque have stirred hostility in this mostly conservative community in southwest Riverside County.

Along with increased traffic and noise, opponents fear the mosque would clash with Temecula's rural atmosphere and, they say, possibly turn the community of 105,000 into a haven for Islamic extremists.

[Link: www.latimes.com...]

too close to Ground Zero?

686 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:09:51am

re: #679 albusteve

MMS investigations of oil-rig accidents have history of inconsistency

not a pretty picture...can this same inept bunch of feds hope to regulate HC, the banks and Wall Street?...is albusteve the Pope?

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

Good point on federal regulators. They really are needed in some form when it comes to banks and oil drilling, but their low quality and often overbearing nature are serious problems.

687 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:10:08am

re: #680 pharmmajor

Today's flying pig moment: Rand Paul defends Barack Obama's Afghanistan war decisions.

[Link: www.google.com...]

Interesting but there's some nuance there. He's mostly saying the president has the right to decide on troop levels. Which is technically correct.

688 pharmmajor  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:10:46am

re: #683 Dark_Falcon

Alternative Title: Luap Dnar gets jerked back to reality by sane people.

Alternative Alternative Title: Even a broken clock is occasionally right.

689 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:11:56am

re: #684 HoosierHoops

After they pet Winston, ask them if they want to touch your monkey. Heh.
//

690 Ebetty  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:12:19am

Good morning, all.

691 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:12:59am

re: #689 Cannadian Club Akbar

After they pet Winston, ask them if they want to touch your monkey. Heh.
//

SMACK!

692 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:15:10am

re: #676 Dark_Falcon

But it shouldn't. She's talked about the alliance between Grand Mufti Al-Husseini and Adolf Hitler. This should come as no surprise.

(It will, of course, since Geller fact processing part of the brain is chronically malfunctioning.)

In the late 80s I learned that the Haj and Hitler were buddies but, I didn't learn how closely they were allied until I became a Lizard.

693 A Man for all Seasons  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:15:10am

re: #689 Cannadian Club Akbar

After they pet Winston, ask them if they want to touch your monkey. Heh.
//

He is such a Ham.. When a girl holds him his eyes get really big and he starts shaking and they start hugging him more feeling sorry for him..He has it down to a science..Just like me in High School..

694 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:15:58am

re: #690 Ebetty

Good morning, all.

What's up?

695 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:16:54am

re: #693 HoosierHoops

He is such a Ham.. When a girl holds him his eyes get really big and he starts shaking and they start hugging him more feeling sorry for him..He has it down to a science..Just like me in High School..

Get him a collar that plays Barry White.:)

696 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:17:11am

re: #688 pharmmajor

Alternative Alternative Title: Even a broken clock is occasionally right.

True, but I don't think the key theme is Rand Paul being right. I think the key theme is: Rand Paul found his craziness on this issue would not sell. The anti-Afghanistan moves made by his father and by Michael Steele encountered massive pushback within the GOP (with Sarah Palin actually playing a constructive role, for a rarity). Thus Rand is moving to a defensible position. This does, however, show him to be willing to abandon insanity when he cannot sell it.

697 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:20:35am

For Hoops..

698 Ebetty  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:23:18am

re: #694 MandyManners

Not a lot. The woman who owns the firm is moving across the country, so I've been busy trying to close out stuff for her. She's leaving me her Oregon-based clients, so I'll be an affiliate. My ex is attempting to get back in with me, then he flips out again. I'm so done. Once my boss leaves next week, I'm meeting with my attorney to get a TRO.

699 Ebetty  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:25:12am

re: #694 MandyManners

How are you? What's shakin?

700 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:25:56am

re: #698 Ebetty

Nothing says crazy like sayin' you ain't crazy and then going crazy.
/I take that back

701 A Man for all Seasons  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:26:48am

re: #697 Cannadian Club Akbar

For Hoops..


[Video]

I love it! You know Winston has one bad trait.. When he gets around other dogs he prances...Yes.. He puts his tail up and begins prancing around in circles..It is embarrassing.. I still love my little boy even if he acts gay in front of other dogs...How did I end up with a prancing dog? Who trained this dog?
/ OK Winston..Start Prancing..Good Boy! WTH?

702 Ebetty  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:27:38am

re: #700 Cannadian Club Akbar

Ain't THAT the truth!!!

703 Cato the Elder  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:27:43am

re: #674 HoosierHoops

Really? I'll check with Travel in the morning..I'd like to take him with me

Two that automatically take dogs, no questions asked, are Red Roof Inn and Motel 6. I learned that on my roadtrip. And they're generally quite nice and modern places. RRI even has unlimited free coffee 24/7.

704 A Man for all Seasons  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:29:40am

re: #703 Cato the Elder

Two that automatically take dogs, no questions asked, are Red Roof Inn and Motel 6. I learned that on my roadtrip. And they're generally quite nice and modern places. RRI even has unlimited free coffee 24/7.

Thanks..I only get to stay at a place my company sends me.. I have no choice in the matter...

705 Semper Fi  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:29:48am

re: #643 HoosierHoops

Well..This time next Sunday I'll be on the Road driving south.

Good morning Hoops,
It's getting close now. Hope you come up with something very agreeable to both you and Winston.

706 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:30:40am

re: #702 Ebetty

Ain't THAT the truth!!!

FWIW, I'm not crazy.

707 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:30:41am

re: #698 Ebetty

Not a lot. The woman who owns the firm is moving across the country, so I've been busy trying to close out stuff for her. She's leaving me her Oregon-based clients, so I'll be an affiliate. My ex is attempting to get back in with me, then he flips out again. I'm so done. Once my boss leaves next week, I'm meeting with my attorney to get a TRO.

Have you blocked his e-mail? Set your phone to a ring-tone just for him?

Oh, wait. You might not want to block his e-mail. Instead, could you set up a folder to which his messages will automatically be sent?

Also, you might want to consider varying your routine. Don't park in your usual spot. Change your route to work. Shop in different stores. Have a security guard escort you to your car at work.

Here's the link to the National Coalition Against Domestic Violence.

708 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:31:07am

re: #699 Ebetty

How are you? What's shakin?

Finer than a frog's hair split three ways!

709 Cato the Elder  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:31:51am

re: #675 Dark_Falcon

Nothing is so annoying to sane people who live in the real world as a self-righteous Ivory Tower type.

She actually addressed the charge of "elitism" on the show - by saying that back in the "good old days" (before nasty modern innovations like roads, trains, and vastly expanded international trade), everybody was a locavore.

Unfortunately for many, many people, that meant a diet of turnips and potatoes, with an occasional eel from the canal or a poached rabbit.

I'm all for the local farmer's market, but I damned well don't want to be condemned to drink the piss that passes for wine in Maryland.

710 A Man for all Seasons  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:34:48am

re: #705 Semper Fi

Good morning Hoops,
It's getting close now. Hope you come up with something very agreeable to both you and Winston.

Thanks..Look forward to being down your way...Project one..Scam Thunder season tickets and go to a Cowboys game..And of course BBQ with Semper Fi!

711 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:35:26am

re: #709 Cato the Elder

She actually addressed the charge of "elitism" on the show - by saying that back in the "good old days" (before nasty modern innovations like roads, trains, and vastly expanded international trade), everybody was a locavore.

Unfortunately for many, many people, that meant a diet of turnips and potatoes, with an occasional eel from the canal or a poached rabbit.

I'm all for the local farmer's market, but I damned well don't want to be condemned to drink the piss that passes for wine in Maryland.

Also back in the good old days, people got sick from bad meat. Some died.

712 captdiggs  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:36:47am

The NAACP has done much good, but it is not without its own weaknesses. My opinion is, that this condemnation of vast swaths of the American public is more politically motivated than altruistic.
Sure there have been racist signs at teaparty functions, and it seems some white supremacists have been attaching themselves to that movement, but to brand the teaparty as racist seems a bit over the top, especially in light of the fact that there are black candidates who receive teaparty support.
I am also reminded about the adage regarding people who live in glass houses.
Farrakhan speaks at NAACP leadership conference

713 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:37:40am

re: #711 MandyManners

Also back in the good old days, people got sick from bad meat. Some died.

This is the reason people have applesauce with pork chops. Over cook them to prevent trichinosis. Pork chops can be ordered now how ever you like.

714 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:38:49am

re: #711 MandyManners

Also back in the good old days, people got sick from bad meat. Some died.

Shh, Mandy. You'll spoil the out-of-touch person's meme.

/

715 mich-again  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:39:02am

re: #676 Dark_Falcon

But it shouldn't. She's talked about the alliance between Grand Mufti Al-Husseini and Adolf Hitler. This should come as no surprise.

(It will, of course, since Geller fact processing part of the brain is chronically malfunctioning.)

Yes, but she has cozied up to the far right anti-jihad crowd in Europe because allegedly, they have turned their attention to ridding the Islamists from Europe. The enemy of my enemy is my friend line of thinking. But that doesn't work here. She hasn't figured that out.

716 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:39:45am

re: #713 Cannadian Club Akbar

This is the reason people have applesauce with pork chops. Over cook them to prevent trichinosis. Pork chops can be ordered now how ever you like.

I still like mine well-done.

717 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:40:13am

re: #714 Dark_Falcon

Shh, Mandy. You'll spoil the out-of-touch person's meme.

/

She can buy another one. Oh, wait. Is it a locally-hatched meme?

718 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:40:28am

re: #712 captdiggs

The NAACP has done much good, but it is not without its own weaknesses. My opinion is, that this condemnation of vast swaths of the American public is more politically motivated than altruistic.
Sure there have been racist signs at teaparty functions, and it seems some white supremacists have been attaching themselves to that movement, but to brand the teaparty as racist seems a bit over the top, especially in light of the fact that there are black candidates who receive teaparty support.
I am also reminded about the adage regarding people who live in glass houses.
Farrakhan speaks at NAACP leadership conference

Well, as I understand it, the NAACP condemned the racism at Tea Party rallies, not the rallies themselves. It was a call to denounce and remove racists.

719 A Man for all Seasons  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:41:27am

re: #713 Cannadian Club Akbar

This is the reason people have applesauce with pork chops. Over cook them to prevent trichinosis. Pork chops can be ordered now how ever you like.

Pork Chops!!
There will be people eating ice cream in hell before I ever eat Pork Chops..
I loved Richard Pryer's bit about eating Pork Chops and having a heart Attack..Funnier than heck

720 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:41:30am

re: #715 mich-again

Yes, but she has cozied up to the far right anti-jihad crowd in Europe because allegedly, they have turned their attention to ridding the Islamists from Europe. The enemy of my enemy is my friend line of thinking. But that doesn't work here. She hasn't figured that out.

And i doubt she ever will. Reality is too painful for her.

721 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:41:42am

re: #718 Dark_Falcon

Well, as I understand it, the NAACP condemned the racism at Tea Party rallies, not the rallies themselves. It was a call to denounce and remove racists.

Have they addressed the New Black Panthers?

722 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:41:50am

re: #717 MandyManners

She can buy another one. Oh, wait. Is it a locally-hatched meme?

LOL!

723 Cato the Elder  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:42:51am

Breed Globally, Hatch Locally!

724 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:43:06am

re: #719 HoosierHoops

I know you're anti-pork. Why do you love pigs?
/

725 calochortus  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:43:08am

Ebetty-totally off topic, but I've been kind of watching for you to thank you for the boysenberry-vigonier syrup recipe. Fabulous. We've been enjoying it as follows: small cantelope half (can use 1/4, but it doesn't function as a bowl as well) nice scoop of vanilla, or your preferred type of ice cream, and the aforementioned drizzle. Moderately healthy and absolutely delicious.

Thanks!

726 What, me worry?  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:44:07am

re: #712 captdiggs

The NAACP has done much good, but it is not without its own weaknesses. My opinion is, that this condemnation of vast swaths of the American public is more politically motivated than altruistic.
Sure there have been racist signs at teaparty functions, and it seems some white supremacists have been attaching themselves to that movement, but to brand the teaparty as racist seems a bit over the top, especially in light of the fact that there are black candidates who receive teaparty support.
I am also reminded about the adage regarding people who live in glass houses.
Farrakhan speaks at NAACP leadership conference

Nobody did that, but the tea party members themselves.

It's been on the Sunday a.m. talk shows this morning. Biden was asked about it on This Week and said that there are elements of the tea party who have made racist comments, but even he didn't condemn the whole movement.

727 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:45:01am

re: #721 Cannadian Club Akbar

Have they addressed the New Black Panthers?

There's no equivalence there. The New Black Panthers are a small fringe group, the Tea Parties are far larger and actually have influence. The NBP, by contrast, is essentially a real-world version of an internet troll; doing ugly and outrageous things to get attention.

728 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:45:01am

re: #712 captdiggs

The NAACP has done much good, but it is not without its own weaknesses. My opinion is, that this condemnation of vast swaths of the American public is more politically motivated than altruistic.
Sure there have been racist signs at teaparty functions, and it seems some white supremacists have been attaching themselves to that movement, but to brand the teaparty as racist seems a bit over the top, especially in light of the fact that there are black candidates who receive teaparty support.
I am also reminded about the adage regarding people who live in glass houses.
Farrakhan speaks at NAACP leadership conference


Is that what Brietbart was threatening to release last week?
If you ignore the youtube title and go by the cspan title which is actually on the video it is not an NAACP event but the african american leadership summit
. I'm don't see the NAACP listed as a sponsor.

729 Semper Fi  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:45:26am

re: #698 Ebetty

My ex is attempting to get back in with me, then he flips out again. I'm so done.

I have a dear friend - we'll be friends forever. She's had several relationships and, of course, I always like her new boyfriend/husband. I know I'm one of the first to learn of a new 'breakup' and I'll always say something like, "he's very nice. Can't this be salvaged?" or similar. Her response is, "Semper, I've moved on". I know she has no 'new' friend. She's simply stating the way she feels. Ebetty, it sounds so final.

730 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:46:54am

re: #721 Cannadian Club Akbar

Have they addressed the New Black Panthers?

The SPLC has.

731 mich-again  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:47:22am

re: #712 captdiggs

From Wikipedia..

The Nation of Islam teaches that intermarriage or race mixing should be prohibited. This is point 10 of the official platform, "What the Muslims Want" published 1965.
732 [deleted]  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:48:19am
733 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:48:27am

re: #728 Killgore Trout

Is that what Brietbart was threatening to release last week?
If you ignore the youtube title and go by the cspan title which is actually on the video it is not an NAACP event but the african american leadership summit
. I'm don't see the NAACP listed as a sponsor.

Ah, they label it as the NAACP leadership summit later in the video. My bad.

734 Ebetty  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:50:37am

re: #707 MandyManners

Thank you, Mandy. My boss is on the same page as you are. She's been really helpful, she works with a local group that helps women here. I had no idea how close I came to being in a really dangerous situation. He's completely off the rails, and what's weird is that one of the women he's been having phone sex with sent me an mp3 in an email. I puked. She said she dumped him but I don't believe anything he says or she says. All I know is that he pretends to hold me up on some pedestal then turns around and wants me to think I'm the crazy one.

I don't know what happened to him but I am all done. Definitely going to follow your recommendations. Thank you!

735 albusteve  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:50:45am

These lawless badlands in the hills east of Tijuana have long teemed with bandits and rapists, but these criminals demanded only phone numbers. They started calling the immigrants' loved ones in Pomona, San Diego and Bakersfield: Send us money or we'll shoot, they said.

more fun and games along the open border...this stuff just not need to happen

[Link: www.latimes.com...]

736 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:51:28am

My bad. Sorry Charles.

737 allegro  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:51:30am

re: #726 marjoriemoon

Nobody did that, but the tea party members themselves.

It's been on the Sunday a.m. talk shows this morning. Biden was asked about it on This Week and said that there are elements of the tea party who have made racist comments, but even he didn't condemn the whole movement.

I have some neighbors who I've always thought to be nice folks, though I've never had more than brief chats about the weather and such. They have "Don't Tread on Me" and "No on Socialism!" stuff on their cars and in lawn decor so I can tell they're tea party types. I don't breach the subject of politics with them.

So this morning I was out walking my pooch and they were out so I stopped for a minute to say g'morning. Seems we have new neighbors who are black. The tea party neighbors couldn't wait to tell me about them with a whispered "you know how THEY are" comment" like I should be VERY concerned. Couldn't get away from them fast enough.

738 Ebetty  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:51:59am

re: #708 MandyManners

Now that is good to hear. God help the frog you took that hair from!

739 A Man for all Seasons  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:52:47am

re: #724 Cannadian Club Akbar

I know you're anti-pork. Why do you love pigs?
/

I am a cursed soul..I hate 90% of all food..I just hate most food..I'm not one of those food snobs or Veggians and bitch about what people eat..I was born a picky eater..I have accepted that..It's not religious or anything.I don't care what other people eat..More power to ya. .They have here an Amish section in our Local Wal-Mart that I visit..
Now they know how to cook.. You find me a cute Amish woman and I'm married..And heck those guys don't even shave..How cool is that?
/

740 Semper Fi  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:53:08am

re: #710 HoosierHoops

Thanks..Look forward to being down your way...Project one..Scam Thunder season tickets and go to a Cowboys game..And of course BBQ with Semper Fi!

Sounds great, Hoops, but I'm much farther west. I hang in CA/NV/AR areas.

741 Cato the Elder  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:54:24am

I'm thinking of forming a new self-righteous radical foodie group that only eats calf meat.

We'll call ourselves "Vealans".

742 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:54:35am

re: #739 HoosierHoops

There is just something about those dresses those girls wear...

743 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:55:30am

re: #741 Cato the Elder

I'm thinking of forming a new self-righteous radical foodie group that only eats calf meat.

We'll call ourselves "Vealans".

Do you know why they keep veal in separate cages?

744 darthstar  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:56:11am

re: #739 HoosierHoops

And heck those guys don't even shave..How cool is that?
/


Neither do the ladies. NTTAWWT

Good morning, everyone.

745 captdiggs  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:56:25am

re: #728 Killgore Trout

Is that what Brietbart was threatening to release last week?
If you ignore the youtube title and go by the cspan title which is actually on the video it is not an NAACP event but the african american leadership summit
. I'm don't see the NAACP listed as a sponsor.

It's entirely sponsored by the NAACP

746 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:56:47am

re: #743 Cannadian Club Akbar

Do you know why they keep veal in separate cages?

I'll bite: Why?

747 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:57:12am

re: #744 darthstar

Neither do the ladies. NTTAWWT

Good morning, everyone.

Madonna is Amish?
/

748 Ebetty  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:57:40am

re: #729 Semper Fi

Yep, it is final.

My boss' best friend is a Marine too. She tells him everything, he seems to steady her and give great advice. You guys must have magic. On the other hand, I'd like a Marine battalion with howitzers to be on my front steps.

749 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:58:16am

re: #730 MandyManners

The SPLC has.

Why the SPLC labels TNBP a radical right group is beyond me.

750 A Man for all Seasons  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:58:21am

re: #742 Cannadian Club Akbar

There is just something about those dresses those girls wear...

Get into the kitchen and bake me a pie woman!
Seriously..I have have a deep respect for the Amish.. They stop into Wal-Mart in a Van full of ladies in brown dresses and shop...Nice people..
/Good lord they know how to cook!

751 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:58:23am

re: #746 Dark_Falcon

I'll bite: Why?

they will suckle on anything available. Not just a teat.

752 albusteve  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:58:58am

OAK PARK, Ill. • Gov. Pat Quinn said Saturday that he had to give raises to some of his staff to fill vacancies.

His defense of the controversial raises came a day after he announced he was cutting the pay of all nonunion state employees through unpaid days off.

can't touch those unions!....state level dysfunction in the real world, some would call it racketeering...

[Link: www.stltoday.com...]

753 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:59:11am

re: #734 Ebetty

Thank you, Mandy. My boss is on the same page as you are. She's been really helpful, she works with a local group that helps women here. I had no idea how close I came to being in a really dangerous situation. He's completely off the rails, and what's weird is that one of the women he's been having phone sex with sent me an mp3 in an email. I puked. She said she dumped him but I don't believe anything he says or she says. All I know is that he pretends to hold me up on some pedestal then turns around and wants me to think I'm the crazy one.

I don't know what happened to him but I am all done. Definitely going to follow your recommendations. Thank you!

Why wait to get the TRO?

754 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:59:38am

re: #738 Ebetty

Now that is good to hear. God help the frog you took that hair from!

shhhhdonttellkilgoretrout

755 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:00:44am

re: #745 captdiggs

It's entirely sponsored by the NAACP

Ah, they've probably had al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson and all sorts of creeps at these events. I think it's fair to criticize them for this but it doesn't change the fact that there are racist elements at the Tea Parties.

756 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:01:10am

re: #754 MandyManners

;)

757 What, me worry?  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:02:53am

re: #737 allegro

I have some neighbors who I've always thought to be nice folks, though I've never had more than brief chats about the weather and such. They have "Don't Tread on Me" and "No on Socialism!" stuff on their cars and in lawn decor so I can tell they're tea party types. I don't breach the subject of politics with them.

So this morning I was out walking my pooch and they were out so I stopped for a minute to say g'morning. Seems we have new neighbors who are black. The tea party neighbors couldn't wait to tell me about them with a whispered "you know how THEY are" comment" like I should be VERY concerned. Couldn't get away from them fast enough.

heh We had similar neighbors who were renting two doors down. Same story until one day they dropped the N* word in conversation. Yikes!

The fear of having those elements present is that it will it permeate through the whole party. On one hand, the over-the-top rhetoric tends to get the most press. On the other hand, those sentiments seem to "tickle" others who silently agree and becomes a voice for them to express their otherwise suppressed opinions.

758 captdiggs  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:02:54am

re: #755 Killgore Trout

Ah, they've probably had al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson and all sorts of creeps at these events. I think it's fair to criticize them for this but it doesn't change the fact that there are racist elements at the Tea Parties.


Pot>>kettle>>black

759 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:03:28am

re: #749 MandyManners

Why the SPLC labels TNBP a radical right group is beyond me.

I think's it's their anti-Semitism, which the SPLC associated with the right. That article is from 2003. I do hope the SPLC now understands the rising level of anti-Semitism on the left, but I would not bet on it.

760 Ebetty  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:04:00am

re: #725 calochortus

Ooh! Delicious!!!! Definitely going to add cantaloupe to the mix here.

761 Semper Fi  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:04:21am

re: #748 Ebetty

Yep, it is final.

My boss' best friend is a Marine too. She tells him everything, he seems to steady her and give great advice. You guys must have magic. On the other hand, I'd like a Marine battalion with howitzers to be on my front steps.

Thanks, Ebetty, but I chose that handle years ago not ever having been a Marine but because I identify strongly with the 'always loyal' associated with it.

762 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:04:35am

Folks, if people use the "N" word in conversation with, CALL THEM OUT THEN AND THERE.

763 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:05:03am

re: #759 Dark_Falcon

I think's it's their anti-Semitism, which the SPLC associated with the right. That article is from 2003. I do hope the SPLC now understands the rising level of anti-Semitism on the left, but I would not bet on it.

It irritates me.

764 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:05:15am

re: #758 captdiggs

Pot>>kettle>>black

Are you SURE you want to say that in the way you've said it?

765 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:05:48am

re: #762 MandyManners

Folks, if people use the "N" word in conversation with, CALL THEM OUT THEN AND THERE.

Quite Concur.

766 captdiggs  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:06:28am

re: #764 Dark_Falcon

Are you SURE you want to say that in the way you've said it?

lol...yeah...no pun intended. :)

767 Ebetty  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:08:01am

re: #753 MandyManners

My attorney has all the stuff but getting a judge to hear it when my ex hasn't hit me yet means I'm not a priority. They set us off until next week. Sucks.

768 darthstar  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:08:29am

Joe Biden defends the Tea Party, says it's not a 'racist organization'...so did President Obama, apparently.

Well, that should pretty much get the teabaggers upset enough to come out and complain WHO ARE THEY TO SAY WE'RE NOT RACISTS!

Of course, Biden was careful not to say what the Tea Party is...a gift.

769 Randall Gross  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:09:10am

It amuses me that the right is going "Look! Black Panthers!" When that incident was three guys at one polling place almost two years ago. Meanwhile, you can find fresh evidence of real racisim associated with the teaparties almost every single day.

Fresh evidence, every day.

770 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:09:44am

re: #768 darthstar

Joe Biden defends the Tea Party, says it's not a 'racist organization'...so did President Obama, apparently.

Well, that should pretty much get the teabaggers upset enough to come out and complain WHO ARE THEY TO SAY WE'RE NOT RACISTS!

Of course, Biden was careful not to say what the Tea Party is...a gift.

Assuming Biden sees them that way. He's not the sharpest knife in the cutlery block.

771 What, me worry?  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:09:54am

re: #762 MandyManners

Folks, if people use the "N" word in conversation with, CALL THEM OUT THEN AND THERE.

Oh don't think I didn't. Not that it helped. She cornered me one day to tell me that she got such a deal at the flea market and how she really Jew'd them down.

772 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:10:25am

re: #769 Thanos

It amuses me that the right is going "Look! Black Panthers!" When that incident was three guys at one polling place almost two years ago. Meanwhile, you can find fresh evidence of real racisim associated with the teaparties almost every single day.

Fresh evidence, every day.

Agree. But the NBP were at a polling place.

773 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:10:44am

re: #767 Ebetty

My attorney has all the stuff but getting a judge to hear it when my ex hasn't hit me yet means I'm not a priority. They set us off until next week. Sucks.

I understand the need to prioritize.

774 darthstar  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:11:16am

re: #769 Thanos

It amuses me that the right is going "Look! Black Panthers!" When that incident was three guys at one polling place almost two years ago. Meanwhile, you can find fresh evidence of real racisim associated with the teaparties almost every single day.

Fresh evidence, every day.

And the August town hall season hasn't even started yet. All this publicity is going to make the (likely reduced number of racist signs) get a lot more attention during the summer get togethers.

775 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:11:25am

re: #769 Thanos

It amuses me that the right is going "Look! Black Panthers!" When that incident was three guys at one polling place almost two years ago. Meanwhile, you can find fresh evidence of real racisim associated with the teaparties almost every single day.

Fresh evidence, every day.

Did they stop anybody from actually voting?

776 Stanghazi  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:11:26am

re: #737 allegro

I have some neighbors who I've always thought to be nice folks, though I've never had more than brief chats about the weather and such. They have "Don't Tread on Me" and "No on Socialism!" stuff on their cars and in lawn decor so I can tell they're tea party types. I don't breach the subject of politics with them.

So this morning I was out walking my pooch and they were out so I stopped for a minute to say g'morning. Seems we have new neighbors who are black. The tea party neighbors couldn't wait to tell me about them with a whispered "you know how THEY are" comment" like I should be VERY concerned. Couldn't get away from them fast enough.

Oh good grief. It's just so fricken sad.

777 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:11:28am

re: #769 Thanos

It amuses me that the right is going "Look! Black Panthers!" When that incident was three guys at one polling place almost two years ago. Meanwhile, you can find fresh evidence of real racisim associated with the teaparties almost every single day.

Fresh evidence, every day.

Also I haven't seen a single right wing blog denounce the Nazis patrolling the border in Arizona. Real swastika wearing, self avowed genuine nazis and the wingnuts think it's fine. Very bad.

778 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:11:54am

re: #771 marjoriemoon

Oh don't think I didn't. Not that it helped. She cornered me one day to tell me that she got such a deal at the flea market and how she really Jew'd them down.

*shaking head*

What did you say?

779 What, me worry?  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:12:00am

re: #768 darthstar

Joe Biden defends the Tea Party, says it's not a 'racist organization'...so did President Obama, apparently.

Well, that should pretty much get the teabaggers upset enough to come out and complain WHO ARE THEY TO SAY WE'RE NOT RACISTS!

Of course, Biden was careful not to say what the Tea Party is...a gift.

I think what they are defending is the grassroots efforts of people to get involved with their government. That's a good thing and what this country was founded on. Even if the Republicans were busy dissing Obama for his life work as a "community organizer" during the campaign. Which I ask, what's the difference between that and the Tea Party movement?

780 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:12:30am

re: #777 Killgore Trout

Also I haven't seen a single right wing blog denounce the Nazis patrolling the border in Arizona. Real swastika wearing, self avowed genuine nazis and the wingnuts think it's fine. Very bad.

what, what, what?

Got pix?

781 Ebetty  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:13:10am

re: #761 Semper Fi

Ah, well, "always faithful" sounds good to me. Good to know there are folks out there who still believe that's important.

782 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:13:24am

re: #771 marjoriemoon

Oh don't think I didn't. Not that it helped. She cornered me one day to tell me that she got such a deal at the flea market and how she really Jew'd them down.

You should have asked, "how did you learn to do that?"

783 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:13:42am

re: #772 Cannadian Club Akbar

Agree. But the NBP were at a polling place.

Does NBP have any ties to NOI?

784 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:13:47am

re: #770 Dark_Falcon

Assuming Biden sees them that way. He's not the sharpest knife in the cutlery block.

I just looked at that. Biden said the same thing the NAACP said. There are racist elements. The wingnuts erected a straw man claiming the accusation applied to everyone who love the constitution and now claim victory every time somebody mentions "racist elements" in the Tea Party.

785 darthstar  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:14:15am

re: #770 Dark_Falcon

Assuming Biden sees them that way. He's not the sharpest knife in the cutlery block.

He's just a regular guy. Most of his 'gaffes' aren't even gaffes, though people look for them.

786 What, me worry?  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:16:15am

re: #778 MandyManners

*shaking head*

What did you say?

"You do know I'm Jewish?" She said yes, but couldn't understand why I would be insulted. Some people are so ingrained, they can't change.

I talked about this before. Her little girl was 8 at the time and used to come into my yard with her little friends to collect flowers for their Barbie doll wedding. I would always give them things I had around the house. Marbles, I taught them cats cradle, etc. I figured maybe she'll remember the nice Jewish lady who was so kind the next time her parents decide to go off.

787 [deleted]  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:16:51am
788 darthstar  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:17:28am

re: #787 Cannadian Club Akbar

Not sure. But if someone told me "crackers" need to be killed, I might have a problem. Call me a cracker all you want. Don't call for my death.

Okay, cookie.

789 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:18:02am
790 albusteve  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:18:19am

I'm already burned out on the petty political sniping and the level of 'pretend'...I don't think I'm alone, and I don't see me voting next year...I'll listen and read a bit, but frankly I don't really give a shit anymore...I'm not into wading through deceit and the vulgarity I see out there in Fedland and elsewhere

791 allegro  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:18:26am

re: #786 marjoriemoon

I figured maybe she'll remember the nice Jewish lady who was so kind the next time her parents decide to go off.

THIS. Such demonstrations as this are why our younger generations are so less inflicted with intolerance and hate.

792 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:18:47am

re: #788 darthstar

Okay, cookie.

ADDRESS ME AS CHOCOLATE CHIP!!!!
/I need milk..

793 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:18:47am

re: #780 Alouette

what, what, what?

Got pix?

Thread yesterday. Disfuckinggusting.

794 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:19:33am

re: #786 marjoriemoon

"You do know I'm Jewish?" She said yes, but couldn't understand why I would be insulted. Some people are so ingrained, they can't change.

I talked about this before. Her little girl was 8 at the time and used to come into my yard with her little friends to collect flowers for their Barbie doll wedding. I would always give them things I had around the house. Marbles, I taught them cats cradle, etc. I figured maybe she'll remember the nice Jewish lady who was so kind the next time her parents decide to go off.

Well, bless your heart!

795 iceweasel  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:19:36am

re: #784 Killgore Trout

I just looked at that. Biden said the same thing the NAACP said. There are racist elements. The wingnuts erected a straw man claiming the accusation applied to everyone who love the constitution and now claim victory every time somebody mentions "racist elements" in the Tea Party.

Typical wingnut 'logic'. Projection. The same people who want to claim that the NAACP is full of racists hatin' on whitey and only exists to hate whitey are the loudest in denying that there's any racism, any whatsoever, amongst the teabaggers. cf Mark Williams.

Classic.

796 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:19:58am

re: #789 Killgore Trout

He is a douche. Period.

797 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:20:17am

re: #789 Killgore Trout

Here's a recent rally in support of the arizona law

Armed Neo-Nazis Hunt Immigrants in Arizona Desert

That's a pic of JT Ready with the arm band.

Wow. No shame.

798 [deleted]  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:20:52am
799 A Man for all Seasons  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:21:18am

re: #762 MandyManners

Folks, if people use the "N" word in conversation with, CALL THEM OUT THEN AND THERE.

It was almost two year ago when I posted about this issue here.. I joined a Golf Club for cheap golf and on a Summer Day I spent a Sunday out there..
In the Afternoon there was just me and a bunch of old white guys at the bar watching Tiger Woods on the Big Screen...What they said said about him and being Married to a White girl disgusted me.. I left and came home and posted about it here.. We spoke of Indiana Being the Birth of the KKK..I was shocked at the attitude in America in 2008.. I never renewed my membership there...
Yet to your point.. I didn't find it in my place to face up the old 75 tr old bigot and his golfing buddies about calling Tiger the N word...To my shame..But I just left...What do you say? In the moment..I was just lost for words...

800 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:21:43am

re: #792 Cannadian Club Akbar

ADDRESS ME AS CHOCOLATE CHIP!!!
/I need milk..

Go dunk yourself.

801 Achilles Tang  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:22:10am

re: #769 Thanos

It amuses me that the right is going "Look! Black Panthers!" When that incident was three guys at one polling place almost two years ago. Meanwhile, you can find fresh evidence of real racisim associated with the teaparties almost every single day.

Fresh evidence, every day.

I saw Geraldo doing his thing with the NAACP and some black Republicans on the other side. Mostly what I heard was "where's the evidence?".

I wished I could direct them to the LGF archives.

802 [deleted]  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:22:29am
803 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:22:29am

re: #777 Killgore Trout

Also I haven't seen a single right wing blog denounce the Nazis patrolling the border in Arizona. Real swastika wearing, self avowed genuine nazis and the wingnuts think it's fine. Very bad.

I really hope nothing bad comes of that, but I fear it will. I fear a shooting incident that will leave the right (and possibly all gun owners) seriously discredited. Also bad would be any innocents killed.

804 Semper Fi  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:22:48am

Have a nice day all. Gonna go to the big tv to close out the Open. Oosthuizen is awesome. Pure entertainment.

805 iceweasel  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:22:52am

re: #784 Killgore Trout

I just looked at that. Biden said the same thing the NAACP said. There are racist elements. The wingnuts erected a straw man claiming the accusation applied to everyone who love the constitution and now claim victory every time somebody mentions "racist elements" in the Tea Party.

plus the whole point of this strategy to to try to make it impossible for the actual active racist themes and elements to ever be called out. And we know they're out there and they do underlie much of the (insane) opposition to Obama. *

* not all the opposition-- there is such a thing as sane criticisms of Obama and sane opposition-- but racism is rampant amongst the insane ones. Nirtherism is partly about racism for example.

806 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:22:57am

re: #797 Alouette

Wow. No shame.

He doesn't like to be called a Neo-Nazi yet, the NSM flag has a swastika and its site's 25 points could've been written by Hitler.

807 A Man for all Seasons  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:23:42am

re: #805 iceweasel

*waves*
What up?

808 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:24:06am

re: #799 HoosierHoops

It was almost two year ago when I posted about this issue here.. I joined a Golf Club for cheap golf and on a Summer Day I spent a Sunday out there..
In the Afternoon there was just me and a bunch of old white guys at the bar watching Tiger Woods on the Big Screen...What they said said about him and being Married to a White girl disgusted me.. I left and came home and posted about it here.. We spoke of Indiana Being the Birth of the KKK..I was shocked at the attitude in America in 2008.. I never renewed my membership there...
Yet to your point.. I didn't find it in my place to face up the old 75 tr old bigot and his golfing buddies about calling Tiger the N word...To my shame..But I just left...What do you say? In the moment..I was just lost for words...

Well, there's respecting your elders but, were they worthy of your respect?

809 allegro  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:24:08am

re: #805 iceweasel

Nirtherism is partly about racism for example.

Partly???

810 [deleted]  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:24:30am
811 What, me worry?  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:24:52am

re: #791 allegro

re: #794 MandyManners

heh Thanks! She loved me, the little one. Actually, a few months ago, she was in the neighborhood with her friends and stopped by the house just to say hi. They had longed moved away. She was 14 already. So big!

812 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:25:43am

re: #810 MandyManners

That's the origin?

As I know it. It has also been said that the "crack" of the whips came from slave owners.

813 Cato the Elder  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:25:52am

re: #805 iceweasel

How you feelin'?

814 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:26:00am

re: #789 Killgore Trout

Here's a recent rally in support of the arizona law

Armed Neo-Nazis Hunt Immigrants in Arizona Desert

That's a pic of JT Ready with the arm band.

Wow, in SA uniform and everything. I'm am really afraid that these scum will come across some group of illegals and open fire. Then we'll see people who were only trying to get work murdered, and conservatism discredited.

815 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:27:46am

re: #805 iceweasel

plus the whole point of this strategy to to try to make it impossible for the actual active racist themes and elements to ever be called out. And we know they're out there and they do underlie much of the (insane) opposition to Obama. *

* not all the opposition-- there is such a thing as sane criticisms of Obama and sane opposition-- but racism is rampant amongst the insane ones. Nirtherism is partly about racism for example.

Hello, Ice! Glad to see you before I have to leave for the day. Please do check your email and get back to me if you get a chance.

816 Randall Gross  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:27:48am

argggg arrgggg arrgggg....

Napolitano and Beck, * Warning : Extreme bad craziness - Alex move over *

817 A Man for all Seasons  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:28:07am

re: #808 MandyManners

Well, there's respecting your elders but, were they worthy of your respect?

They are aspects of Indiana I will not miss...To think I now will live in Oklahoma is the ultimate irony...

818 [deleted]  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:28:09am
819 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:28:27am

re: #803 Dark_Falcon

I really hope nothing bad comes of that, but I fear it will. I fear a shooting incident that will leave the right (and possibly all gun owners) seriously discredited. Also bad would be any innocents killed.

Yeah, it could go really bad. I think also the possibility of an American Citizen being detained by Nazis on American soil just because of the color of his skin could really turn ugly. There are so many ways this could go wrong.

820 albusteve  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:28:29am

re: #814 Dark_Falcon

Wow, in SA uniform and everything. I'm am really afraid that these scum will come across some group of illegals and open fire. Then we'll see people who were only trying to get work murdered, and conservatism discredited.

maybe they will get lucky and capture a major drug pin with $2m of coke stashed in his H3....think of the possibilities

821 [deleted]  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:29:19am
822 Cato the Elder  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:29:32am

re: #814 Dark_Falcon

Wow, in SA uniform and everything. I'm am really afraid that these scum will come across some group of illegals and open fire. Then we'll see people who were only trying to get work murdered, and conservatism discredited.

Unfortunately "conservatism" has discredited itself.

823 iceweasel  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:29:47am

re: #807 HoosierHoops

*waves*
What up?

hey honey! Just popping in while on the phone sorting stuff out, and all kinds of crap. Actual conversation:

Hello, I'm interesting in X and wanted to inquire about your international shipping-- rates, taxes, and time til arrival. Can you help me with that?

Sure! We ship to over 90 countries now!

"Ok, the address is Iceweasel Clan MacJimmah, ----shire, Scotland, postal code [xxxxxxx]."

I'm sorry, we don't ship to scotland. Is there something else I can help you with?

Wait-- you ship to the the United Kingdom, don't you?

Yes!

"Scotland is part of the United Kingdom. That's a UK postal code I just gave you. Please it check again."

[pause]
[pause]

Please hold while I get a supervisor....

-----------------------
So, how's by you?

824 Randall Gross  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:30:12am

re: #819 Killgore Trout

Yeah, it could go really bad. I think also the possibility of an American Citizen being detained by Nazis on American soil just because of the color of his skin could really turn ugly. There are so many ways this could go wrong.

Between the vigilante Sheriffs and the vigilante Nazis, I've made a vow to stay the hell out of AZ for the rest of my life.

825 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:30:30am

re: #820 albusteve

maybe they will get lucky and capture a major drug pin with $2m of coke stashed in his H3...think of the possibilities

Maybe, but that's unlikely. If they grabbed or killed drug smugglers, there would be little fallout, but it would have the negative effect of making the Nazis who did it look good.

826 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:31:04am

re: #816 Thanos

arggg arrggg arrggg...

Napolitano and Beck, * Warning : Extreme bad craziness - Alex move over *

[Video]

Lunatics.

827 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:31:42am

Ouch.

828 albusteve  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:32:57am

re: #825 Dark_Falcon

Maybe, but that's unlikely. If they grabbed or killed drug smugglers, there would be little fallout, but it would have the negative effect of making the Nazis who did it look good.

JT Ready for Sheriff!
(insert slogan)

829 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:33:12am

Either way, you couldn't get shoes on my friend. I miss him.

830 A Man for all Seasons  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:33:14am

re: #823 iceweasel

I'm so happy for you!

831 iceweasel  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:33:25am

re: #815 Dark_Falcon

Hello, Ice! Glad to see you before I have to leave for the day. Please do check your email and get back to me if you get a chance.

Will do cutie and get back to you. No worries. All is well. Have a good day!

re: #813 Cato the Elder

How you feelin'?

better. sick as a dog though for a bit. Running off to do errands soon-- will be in touch when I get back today. (all is well! love to haku too)

832 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:33:26am

re: #816 Thanos

You should put that in the pages.

833 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:33:28am

re: #817 HoosierHoops

They are aspects of Indiana I will not miss...To think I now will live in Oklahoma is the ultimate irony...

Which part? The eastern region is awesome.

834 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:33:44am

Gotta go. BBL

835 albusteve  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:34:25am

re: #825 Dark_Falcon

Maybe, but that's unlikely. If they grabbed or killed drug smugglers, there would be little fallout, but it would have the negative effect of making the Nazis who did it look good.

JT Ready for Sheriff!
(insert slogan)

836 Achilles Tang  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:35:06am

Err; I posted an informative wikipedia link on the origin of the word "cracker", and it was deleted.

What gives??

837 Randall Gross  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:36:19am

re: #832 Killgore Trout

I flagged it for Charles to look at, if he doesn't run with it I will later

838 A Man for all Seasons  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:36:53am

re: #833 MandyManners

Which part? The eastern region is awesome.

I start a project to build a GWAN network across the street from OU next week.

839 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:37:21am

re: #836 Naso Tang

Mine was also speaking of a friend. I think Charles may have an issue with anything considered racist. And that if fine. It's his blog.

840 Randall Gross  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:38:39am

interesting

he National Tea Party Federation, an organization that represents the Tea Party political movement around the country, has expelled conservative commentator Mark Williams and his Tea Party Express because of an inflammatory blog post he wrote, federation spokesman David Webb said Sunday.

Appearing on the CBS program "Face the Nation," Webb said that Williams and the Tea Party Express -- which has held a series of events across the country to generate support for the movement -- no longer were part of the National Tea Party Federation.

"We, in the last 24 hours, have expelled Tea Party Express and Mark Williams from the National Tea Party Federation because of the letter that he wrote," Webb said of the blog post by Williams that satirized a fictional letter from what he called "Colored People" to President Abraham Lincoln.

841 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:38:50am

re: #817 HoosierHoops

They are aspects of Indiana I will not miss...To think I now will live in Oklahoma is the ultimate irony...

Which part? The eastern region is awesome.

842 Cato the Elder  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:39:58am

re: #816 Thanos

arggg arrggg arrggg...

Napolitano and Beck, * Warning : Extreme bad craziness - Alex move over *

I was able to watch all of two minutes and twelve seconds of those Fat Fucking Fascists before I had to quit.

And by the way, Napolitano has the lowest brow I've ever seen on a human being. He looks like a shaved chimp.

843 Gus  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:40:08am

re: #816 Thanos

arggg arrggg arrggg...

Napolitano and Beck, * Warning : Extreme bad craziness - Alex move over *

[Video]

"This is pure Marxism!"

Hilarious.

844 Achilles Tang  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:40:27am

re: #839 Cannadian Club Akbar

Mine was also speaking of a friend. I think Charles may have an issue with anything considered racist. And that if fine. It's his blog.

Ah, and I quoted yours which I guess was what would be called a hearsay opinion.

Anyway, wikipedia has several opinions on the word origin. None which are what I read in the posts.

845 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:40:35am

re: #827 Cannadian Club Akbar

Ouch.

?

846 Ebetty  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:40:58am

Now if only the RNC would do the same:

National Tea Party Federation Kicks Out Williams

847 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:41:32am

re: #844 Naso Tang

Ah, and I quoted yours which I guess was what would be called a hearsay opinion.

Anyway, wikipedia has several opinions on the word origin. None which are what I read in the posts.

I have heard many versions.

848 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:41:54am

re: #845 MandyManners

?

deleted.

849 A Man for all Seasons  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:42:21am

re: #841 MandyManners

Which part? The eastern region is awesome.

This time next week I'll be driving through it...

850 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:44:11am

re: #848 Cannadian Club Akbar

deleted.

What?

851 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:44:32am

re: #849 HoosierHoops

This time next week I'll be driving through it...

Enjoy!

852 Cato the Elder  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:44:58am

re: #842 Cato the Elder

What Beck and the "Judge" are spouting in that clip, by the way, is pure Pam Gellerism.

853 iceweasel  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:45:43am

re: #809 allegro

Partly???

Almost entirely, but the primary motivation of nirthers is a refusal to see the POTUS as legitimate. Some of that is purely because he's a dem-- had he been white with the same sort of personal narrative, we'd still see a nirther movement due to the past decade plus of seeing 'the left' as unamerican, traitorous, not one of us. It's also the whole 'reel amurkins don't come from [insert wingnut tropes here, chicago, wherever]' schtick.

But it wouldnt be anywhere near as hysterical, ugly, or virulent if Obama weren't black. That's just a fact.

Some of these freaks would have flipped over the election anyway and immediately refused to recognise the potus and wanted to delegitimise him solely for being a dem/on the left. Racism plays a HUGE role in motivating many of them and it's the reason for the worst and most hysterical opposition, but it's reductive (in a bad sense) to say nirtherism is only about racism.
(not that you were, just clarifying a bit on my own thinking there)

854 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:46:36am

re: #850 MandyManners

What?

I had something deleted. No biggie. I still remember my first deleted quote. It was when Chronktie died.

855 Gus  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:47:04am

None of this would be going on if Obama was a white man.

Full stop.

856 iceweasel  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:47:22am

re: #843 Gus 802

"This is pure Marxism!"

Hilarious.

What's the street value of pure marxism these days? /

857 Cato the Elder  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:47:23am

re: #854 Cannadian Club Akbar

I had something deleted. No biggie. I still remember my first deleted quote. It was when Chronktie died.

Was it for misspelling his name?

858 Gus  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:47:50am

re: #856 iceweasel

What's the street value of pure marxism these days? /

Why $27.95 of course.

//

859 iceweasel  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:47:52am

re: #855 Gus 802

None of this would be going on if Obama was a white man.

Full stop.

Really? Some of it would, i think-- just not at eleventy.

860 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:48:04am

re: #857 Cato the Elder

Was it for misspelling his name?

Yes. Saw that.

861 Gus  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:48:30am

re: #859 iceweasel

Really? Some of it would, i think-- just not at eleventy.

Yeah. I tend to exaggerate sometimes.

862 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:49:06am

re: #854 Cannadian Club Akbar

I had something deleted. No biggie. I still remember my first deleted quote. It was when Chronktie died.

One of mine was deleted, too.

863 Ebetty  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:50:08am

Enjoy the day. Definitely time for a long run, had Fox News on and my ears are bleeding at the mere mention of JD Hayworth. Have a good one, all.

864 allegro  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:50:51am

re: #855 Gus 802

None of this would be going on if Obama was a white man.

Full stop.

I agree with Ice that there would be demonization going on for simply having a Dem president. That said, I think that the nirther thing, in particular, IS due to racism and that's why it has taken on such a life. It's that coded excuse for hating on Obama for being black, without saying directly that it's racism driving that particular meme.

865 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:51:04am

re: #862 MandyManners

One of mine was deleted, too.

We all fuck up at some point. Meh. Let it go..

866 albusteve  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:51:07am

re: #842 Cato the Elder

I was able to watch all of two minutes and twelve seconds of those Fat Fucking Fascists before I had to quit.

And by the way, Napolitano has the lowest brow I've ever seen on a human being. He looks like a shaved chimp.

the Newton Curse is upon you

867 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:53:20am

re: #865 Cannadian Club Akbar

We all fuck up at some point. Meh. Let it go..

Oh, I'm not upset. I was just wondering what caused you to say "ouch".

868 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:55:26am

Gotta' go break a few eggs to make an omelet.

869 iceweasel  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:56:43am

re: #864 allegro

I agree with Ice that there would be demonization going on for simply having a Dem president. That said, I think that the nirther thing, in particular, IS due to racism and that's why it has taken on such a life. It's that coded excuse for hating on Obama for being black, without saying directly that it's racism driving that particular meme.

Oh yeah, completely. And that's only become more apparent as time has gone on, too.
I expected to see an ugly outpouring of racism if Obama won, but i really thought we'd see the worst of it during the campaign and immediately after the election/inauguration.

I had no idea, no clue, that it would keep going and if anything get worse. I truly believed we were more over this as a society. In many ways it shows that Obama's election isn't the end of racism, (not that I was ever silly enough to think it was).

(which is another reason why the racist teabaggers and others are so eager to completely empty the term 'racist' of content, by claiming it doesn't exist and yet finding it in civil right organisations, Thurgood Marshall, and the tax on tanning salons. They want the ability to use their weapons with impunity without ever being called out)

870 Gus  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 10:00:39am

re: #864 allegro

I agree with Ice that there would be demonization going on for simply having a Dem president. That said, I think that the nirther thing, in particular, IS due to racism and that's why it has taken on such a life. It's that coded excuse for hating on Obama for being black, without saying directly that it's racism driving that particular meme.

Well, it's all overwhelming at times. It started with the birth certificate conspiracy which continues to this day. Then there was the creation of the Tea Party movement initially promoted by Dick Armey and his cohorts. There's also the countless nontroversies such as what he eats, wears, and carries himself. Glenn Beck and his non-stop tirades.

I've never seen anything like this. The right has managed to outdo what the left did under Bush by at least a factor of 2. It's certainly much worse than what we saw under Clinton. Maybe I'm paying too much attention these days? Perhaps it is the result of the mainstreaming of the internet? I'm not sure, but the daily barrage is enormous.

871 allegro  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 10:02:05am

re: #869 iceweasel

(which is another reason why the racist teabaggers and others are so eager to completely empty the term 'racist' of content, by claiming it doesn't exist and yet finding it in civil right organisations, Thurgood Marshall, and the tax on tanning salons. They want the ability to use their weapons with impunity without ever being called out)

Absolutely agreed. I am heartened by this morning's calling out/throwing out of Williams due to the backlash of his racist commentary. (And ONLY due to the backlash.) That would seem to indicate that the backlash is effective so we should keep it up. :)

872 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 10:05:28am

re: #871 allegro

Absolutely agreed. I am heartened by this morning's calling out/throwing out of Williams due to the backlash of his racist commentary. (And ONLY due to the backlash.) That would seem to indicate that the backlash is effective so we should keep it up. :)

I'm glad it happened; however, I'm not particularly heartened by it, how and why did this guy get to be in a position of spokesperson?

That's what's so very bothersome, these folks are at the top of the Tea Party ladder to begin with. There shouldn't have to be any backlash before they are expelled.

873 Gus  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 10:05:56am

More evidence:

Beck has repeatedly, respectfully, and recently played audio of men like Ezra Taft Benson, a Mormon apostle who thought the civil rights movement was a dastardly communist plot. Benson also wrote the foreward to a book of race hate whose cover illustration featured the severed, bloody head of an African American. Beck's favorite author and biggest influence, meanwhile, is W. Cleon Skousen. The author of four of the ten books on Beck's 9.12 Project required-reading list, Skousen embodied the Birchite view captured in the title of a September 1965 cover story in the John Birch Society Bulletin, "Fully Expose the 'Civil Rights' Fraud, and You Will Break the Back of the Communist Conspiracy!"

Image: the_black_hammer.gif

874 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 10:06:49am

store run. bbiab.

875 darthstar  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 10:07:17am

Traffic stop on 580 in Oakland last night. Officers see guns as they approach vehicle. Call for back-up. Still unidentified white-male suspect shoots at them. They close the freeway for 8 hours, shooting the suspect an unspecified number of times. He's still alive. Apparently, he was wearing body armor.

Two officers injured, unfortunately.

876 iceweasel  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 10:07:39am

re: #871 allegro

Absolutely agreed. I am heartened by this morning's calling out/throwing out of Williams due to the backlash of his racist commentary. (And ONLY due to the backlash.) That would seem to indicate that the backlash is effective so we should keep it up. :)

I think so. BTW, I hope it's clear that I completely agreed with you-- i've been jumped on here in the past for saying nirthers were racists and that's what nirtherism is about. It definitely is about that. It's also important to give the complex reasons for things because the teabaggers and others WANT to believe (and spread the meme) that 'you can't criticise the POTUS without being called a racist'.

The proper answer, of course, is 'Yeah, you can't make racist criticisms without being called out as a racist. Too bad, so sad!'

I finally read that Williams "satire" yesterday-- the whole letter. How the hell could they have kept him after that? Maybe others will start getting the boot now for similar shit.

Have to run-- have a great day everyone!

877 Gus  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 10:10:07am
878 Nimed  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 10:10:44am

re: #852 Cato the Elder

What Beck and the "Judge" are spouting in that clip, by the way, is pure Pam Gellerism.

I liked the part when Napolitano asks "the welfare state created by FDR, has it helped blacks to become self-sufficient or hurt them?"

See, it may have helped them or hurt them, but the welfare state is to be always associated with blacks.

879 allegro  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 10:11:18am

re: #872 reine.de.tout

That's what's so very bothersome, these folks are at the top of the Tea Party ladder to begin with. There shouldn't have to be any backlash before they are expelled.

In a way, I'm seeing this as a cleansing of what was already there. This shit didn't arise out of a void, it was already there simmering. By feeling emboldened by their leadership's coded "Real America" schtick, these attitudes are being openly expressed revealing them for what they are. Public shaming and exacting a price for it will hopefully have a positive result ultimately. We're clearly seeing the increased acceptance or race, sexual preference, etc. in our younger demographics. I think this helps.

880 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 10:12:16am

re: #879 allegro

In a way, I'm seeing this as a cleansing of what was already there. This shit didn't arise out of a void, it was already there simmering. By feeling emboldened by their leadership's coded "Real America" schtick, these attitudes are being openly expressed revealing them for what they are. Public shaming and exacting a price for it will hopefully have a positive result ultimately. We're clearly seeing the increased acceptance or race, sexual preference, etc. in our younger demographics. I think this helps.

Agreed.

881 Renaissance_Man  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 10:13:11am

re: #855 Gus 802

None of this would be going on if Obama was a white man.

Full stop.

Depends what you mean by 'this'. If he were a white guy from Alabama, or even Massachusetts, then there probably wouldn't be a meme about him being a Muslim from Kenya/Indonesia, no. That's a little too far a jump to easily sell, even to the inhabitants of Greater Wingnuttia.

But there would still definitely be a large and howling meme about the election being fraudulent, about the President being illegitimate, about CommunoSocialiMarxism, about this regime being the worst threat this country has ever faced, about the evil in our midst, about the traitors in the White House selling your country out to the evil foreigners. The right wing media has spent too many years creating a world where your greatest enemies are your liberal neighbours for the inhabitants of that world to believe otherwise, just because the President might look more like them.

882 webevintage  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 10:13:27am

So much to worry about today and what is Peggy "concern face" Noonan worried about?
That the all the guys in charge of the world are just so. damn. young.
"I tell you, these 50 year old whippersnappers are going to ruin the world....if only we could fine some wise old dude like say "Gov. Haley Barbour, an old-style, gray-haired, shrewd-eyed southerner?"

[Link: gawker.com...]

" Mr. Obama is young, 48, as is British Prime Minister David Cameron (43), with whom he meets next week, and as were Bill Clinton (46 on Inauguration Day) and the somewhat older but still distressingly young George W. Bush, sworn in at 54. Mr. Cameron's partner in governance, Nicholas Clegg, is also 43. Stephen Harper of Canada is 51, Nicolas Sarkozy of France a youthful 55.

Youth is supposed to bring vigor and vision. In general, however, I think we find in our modern political figures that what it really brings is need-for greatness, to be transformation, to leave a legacy. Such clamorous needs! How very boring they are, how puny and small, but how huge in their consequences."

How PRETENTIOUS Nooners is...how boring....

883 Cato the Elder  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 10:26:50am

re: #878 Nimed

I liked the part when Napolitano asks "the welfare state created by FDR, has it helped blacks to become self-sufficient or hurt them?"

See, it may have helped them or hurt them, but the welfare state is to be always associated with blacks.

Yeah, because nobody's white grandma ever collected food stamps, social security, disability, or housing assistance.

Thanks for pointing this out. It is racism pure and simple.

884 webevintage  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 10:29:13am

re: #883 Cato the Elder

Yeah, because nobody's white grandma ever collected food stamps, social security, disability, or housing assistance.

Thanks for pointing this out. It is racism pure and simple.

BUT it is OK when white folks do it.
Then it is a "helping hand" doncha' know.

885 ryannon  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 11:04:21am

re: #679 albusteve

MMS investigations of oil-rig accidents have history of inconsistency

not a pretty picture...can this same inept bunch of feds hope to regulate HC, the banks and Wall Street?...is albusteve the Pope?

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

Wait a minute, Your Eminence - are you suggesting that you're not?

886 ryannon  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 11:07:09am

re: #686 Dark_Falcon

Good point on federal regulators. They really are needed in some form when it comes to banks and oil drilling, but their low quality and often overbearing nature are serious problems.

And wouldn't it be great if they were in charge of a crash program of nuclear reactor construction and operation?

887 ryannon  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 11:08:53am

re: #689 Cannadian Club Akbar

After they pet Winston, ask them if they want to touch your monkey. Heh.
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