What Right Wing Extremist Violence?

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In Oakland yesterday, Highway Patrol officers stopped a car being driven erratically by a 45-year old man — who promptly opened fire on them with several weapons, including a handgun, a rifle, and a shotgun. He was wounded by return fire from the officers, but survived because he was wearing body armor.

His reason for the rampage? He was mad at left-wing politics.

Williams’ mother, Janice Williams of Groveland, said her son had been living next door and taking care of her father’s house and land. She said he had been released from prison about 2 1/2 years ago after a felony conviction, which she declined to describe, and had almost completed his parole. …

She said her son, who had been a carpenter and a cabinetmaker before his imprisonment, was angry about his unemployment and about “what’s happening to our country.” …

She said she had planned to cook salsa with her son on Sunday and was making preparations when she got a call from a television reporter, looked out the window and saw that her pickup was gone. She said she then checked the locked safe where she kept her guns, all legally purchased and owned, and found that they were also missing.

Janice Williams said she kept the guns because “eventually, I think we’re going to be caught up in a revolution.” But she said she had told her son many times that “he didn’t have to be on the front lines.”

Williams watched the news on television and was upset by “the way Congress was railroading through all these left-wing agenda items,” his mother said.

And which cable news network is constantly pumping up the outrage and hatred against the Obama administration? Hint: it ain’t CNN.

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161 comments
1 jamesfirecat  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 10:34:15am

/Well if it was CNN it must be the fault of those damn liberals over at MSN!

2 darthstar  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 10:36:16am

How much do you want to bet he’s got a membership in the 9/12 coalition?

3 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 10:36:51am

Upset About ‘Left-Wing Agenda,’ California Man Suspected Of Shootout With Police

“There is no doubt in our mind, given the body armor and the extensive amount of ammunition he had, that he was on his way to do a very serious crime against either someone or a group of people,” CHP Sgt. Trent Cross said.

Officers discovered a binder labeled “California” in the truck. It has so far been described only as a “list.”

Very spooky.

4 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 10:38:20am

There’s something about summer in the East Bay…

5 loubob57  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 10:39:54am

A looney-tune like that will eventually find an outlet.

6 Cato the Elder  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 10:40:30am

From what I’ve heard, his felony convictions were for bank robbery and other things.

His mom fails to impress. She said she kept her guns in a locked safe. But her angry felon son had access to them. And she told him they were there because sooner or later we’re gonna get caught up in a ‘revolution”.

Hmm. I wonder what teevee shows she’s been watching?

In any case, she’s a moron and she should go to jail too.

7 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 10:40:56am

re: #5 loubob57

A looney-tune like that will eventually find an outlet.

Especially when pushed by aggressive and inaccurate propaganda on a major news station.

8 darthstar  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 10:41:16am
She said she had planned to cook salsa with her son on Sunday and was making preparations when she got a call from a television reporter, looked out the window and saw that her pickup was gone.

That guy got his mom’s pickup shot up. He’s going to be in deep shit when he gets home.

9 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 10:41:19am

re: #5 loubob57

A looney-tune like that will eventually find an outlet.

I just wish that once in a while they’d settle for ‘macrame’ instead of ‘shooting it out with the California Highway Patrol’.

10 brennant  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 10:41:37am

How long before they pain this guy as a left-winger?

11 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 10:42:21am

re: #10 brennant

How long before they pain this guy as a left-winger?

This one is kind of tricky to use that tactic on.

12 brennant  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 10:43:06am

re: #11 Fozzie Bear

This one is kind of tricky to use that tactic on.

I would put nothing past them these days…

13 McSpiff  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 10:43:49am

re: #11 Fozzie Bear

This one is kind of tricky to use that tactic on.

“Byron Williams (D-Groveland) yesterday…”

Nothing to it.

14 sffilk  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 10:43:49am

Why am I not surprised at this? *sigh*

15 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 10:43:51am

re: #11 Fozzie Bear

This one is kind of tricky to use that tactic on.

Naw. Fox can simply show his picture and name with a (D) [Deranged] beside it.

/

16 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 10:43:55am

re: #11 Fozzie Bear

This one is kind of tricky to use that tactic on.

So far. A copy of Mao’s Little Red Book may be found in a second cousin’s home, and THEN what are we supposed to think?

17 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 10:44:02am

And this was only a matter of time. The people at Fox, really do not care what they have stirred up by legitimatizing unfounded fear and hatred with their incessant lies and propaganda.

18 darthstar  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 10:44:27am

re: #6 Cato the Elder

From what I’ve heard, his felony convictions were for bank robbery and other things.

His mom fails to impress. She said she kept her guns in a locked safe. But her angry felon son had access to them. And she told him they were there because sooner or later we’re gonna get caught up in a ‘revolution”.

Hmm. I wonder what teevee shows she’s been watching?

In any case, she’s a moron and she should go to jail too.

And they’re from Groveland (on highway 120 leading to Yosemite)…pretty country…lots of very fine meth-labs in that area. Think Napa with old Ramblers on blocks marking the driveways instead of wine barrels.

/semi-sarc

19 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 10:45:15am

re: #9 SanFranciscoZionist

I just wish that once in a while they’d settle for ‘macrame’ instead of ‘shooting it out with the California Highway Patrol’.

Well there was the macaroni picture he glued onto paper plates that showed an evil Obama/Hitler eating white babies…

20 Cato the Elder  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 10:45:51am

re: #17 LudwigVanQuixote

And this was only a matter of time. The people at Fox, really do not care what they have stirred up by legitimatizing unfounded fear and hatred with their incessant lies and propaganda.

They have blood on their hands.

And there is more to come. Guaranteed, at this point.

21 Kragar  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 10:48:29am

re: #20 Cato the Elder

They have blood on their hands.

And there is more to come. Guaranteed, at this point.

But they were just asking questions, getting information out there, right?

/

22 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 10:49:09am

Oakland: the town both left and right lunatics descend on to act out their fantasies.

What did Oaktown ever do to deserve this, you may well ask?

23 darthstar  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 10:50:09am

re: #20 Cato the Elder

They have blood on their hands.

And there is more to come. Guaranteed, at this point.

It also stands to reason that, as we’re in the 100 degree days (and Groveland gets as hot as any place in the Sacramento or San Joaquin valleys of California), that tis the season for this kind of shit.

24 researchok  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 10:50:57am

re: #22 SanFranciscoZionist

Oakland: the town both left and right lunatics descend on to act out their fantasies.

What did Oaktown ever do to deserve this, you may well ask?

SFZ, check this out- The Blackboard Awards

I ran across them yesterday. I thought you might be interested.

25 McSpiff  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 10:51:37am

Don’t worry guys, the New Black Panthers are totally gonna talk about killing like a dozen cops. That’ll cancel this out and everyone will be fine. That’s how these things work, right….? Right?

26 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 10:51:52am

re: #24 researchok

SFZ, check this out- The Blackboard Awards

I ran across them yesterday. I thought you might be interested.

Thanks. Will check it out.

27 Kragar  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 10:52:03am

re: #22 SanFranciscoZionist

Oakland: the town both left and right lunatics descend on to act out their fantasies.

What did Oaktown ever do to deserve this, you may well ask?

They brought in the Raiders…

28 Cato the Elder  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 10:52:12am

re: #21 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

But they were just asking questions, getting information out there, right?

/

I am curious about what it takes for incitement laws to kick in.

When (not if) the day comes that one of these idiots kills a bunch of people and leaves being a note saying that watching the Glans Blech show convinced him he had to “do something”, can Fox/Blech/Malkin/Coulter etc. be held legally responsible?

Lawhawk?

29 What, me worry?  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 10:52:44am

re: #17 LudwigVanQuixote

And this was only a matter of time. The people at Fox, really do not care what they have stirred up by legitimatizing unfounded fear and hatred with their incessant lies and propaganda.

No, just as long as Republicans are re-elected, so they can bring back the same horrible policies of the last 8 years of the Bush Administration. There are no Republican ideas that do not plunge us back into misery.

They want less government, unless it’s a Republican government, then it can be as big as they want it. Ask a Republican why they stayed so quiet while Bush grew his government by over 40%.

More regulations on woman’s bodies. More regulations on who can marry. Elderly or poor? Screw you! Privatize social security. Up the retirement age to 70. Get rid of Medicare and put in a voucher program paid by the insurance companies. Bring back the tax cuts for the rich! They won’t create jobs, but who cares. I got mine.

Arrgghh.

30 darthstar  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 10:52:48am

re: #6 Cato the Elder

From what I’ve heard, his felony convictions were for bank robbery and other things.

His mom fails to impress. She said she kept her guns in a locked safe. But her angry felon son had access to them. And she told him they were there because sooner or later we’re gonna get caught up in a ‘revolution”.

Hmm. I wonder what teevee shows she’s been watching?

In any case, she’s a moron and she should go to jail too.

Well, even if one could explain the guns as belonging to the father, and not the convict son, how do they explain the bullet-proof vest? The dad likes to wear it when hunting for quail? The only people who buy bullet-proof vests are the ones planning/fantasizing about shooting it out with other people.

31 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 10:52:53am

re: #28 Cato the Elder

I am curious about what it takes for incitement laws to kick in.

When (not if) the day comes that one of these idiots kills a bunch of people and leaves being a note saying that watching the Glans Blech show convinced him he had to “do something”, can Fox/Blech/Malkin/Coulter etc. be held legally responsible?

Lawhawk?

I’M BEING REPRESSED!!!

COME AND SEE THE VIOLENCE INHERENT IN THE SYSTEM!!!

32 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 10:54:05am

re: #25 McSpiff

Don’t worry guys, the New Black Panthers are totally gonna talk about killing like a dozen cops. That’ll cancel this out and everyone will be fine. That’s how these things work, right…? Right?

Thank God they were able to take this guy out without loss of life. Apparently his body armor protected him from most of the gunfire, but being shot repeatedly is not fun, even through a bulletproof vest. Apparently he finally figured out this wasn’t going to end well.

I am so relieved we didn’t lose any officers. The East Bay has had enough of that.

33 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 10:54:18am

re: #27 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

They brought in the Raiders…

Raider Nation!!!!

34 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 10:54:35am

re: #10 brennant

How long before they pain this guy as a left-winger?

I might post it at Free Republic and see what they come up with. They are a creative lot at times.

35 Kragar  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 10:55:46am

re: #30 darthstar

Well, even if one could explain the guns as belonging to the father, and not the convict son, how do they explain the bullet-proof vest? The dad likes to wear it when hunting for quail? The only people who buy bullet-proof vests are the ones planning/fantasizing about shooting it out with other people.

Could be home made body armor, and there are multiple legitimate reasons to own body armor. One of the first producers of commercial civilian body armor was a pizza deliveryman who had gotten shot on the job.

36 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 10:55:55am

There is no crazy situation so obviously conservative in origin that it can’t be painted as a liberal plot.

37 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 10:55:56am

re: #28 Cato the Elder

I am curious about what it takes for incitement laws to kick in.

When (not if) the day comes that one of these idiots kills a bunch of people and leaves being a note saying that watching the Glans Blech show convinced him he had to “do something”, can Fox/Blech/Malkin/Coulter etc. be held legally responsible?

Lawhawk?

Doubtful. I think of all those 80s attempts to pin crimes on rock bands, or D&D playing. Lawhawk?

38 Political Atheist  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 10:56:29am

The guy is 100% delusional. Congress did not ram anything through, unless you mean TARP under Bush. Every issue, every vote was a big fight. Even Fox showed all of that top to bottom. They spun it as liberal foolishness, but they showed the fight, put on ever stupid thing the GOP ever said in opposition.

39 Kragar  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 10:57:01am

re: #32 SanFranciscoZionist

Thank God they were able to take this guy out without loss of life. Apparently his body armor protected him from most of the gunfire, but being shot repeatedly is not fun, even through a bulletproof vest. Apparently he finally figured out this wasn’t going to end well.

I am so relieved we didn’t lose any officers. The East Bay has had enough of that.

Standard military training, assume the target has armor on, 2 shots to the chest to stun the target, then head shot.

40 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 10:57:10am

re: #30 darthstar

Well, even if one could explain the guns as belonging to the father, and not the convict son, how do they explain the bullet-proof vest? The dad likes to wear it when hunting for quail? The only people who buy bullet-proof vests are the ones planning/fantasizing about shooting it out with other people.

I’m now imagining armed quail. “Blam, blam blam!! Take that, mammal intruder!!”

41 darthstar  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 10:57:28am

re: #35 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Could be home made body armor, and there are multiple legitimate reasons to own body armor. One of the first producers of commercial civilian body armor was a pizza deliveryman who had gotten shot on the job.

Yep…body armor is really important in a town of 3300.

42 researchok  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 10:57:31am

re: #38 Rightwingconspirator

The guy is 100% delusional. Congress did not ram anything through, unless you mean TARP under Bush. Every issue, every vote was a big fight. Even Fox showed all of that top to bottom. They spun it as liberal foolishness, but they showed the fight, put on ever stupid thing the GOP ever said in opposition.

Don your helmet.

43 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 10:57:48am

re: #37 SanFranciscoZionist

Doubtful. I think of all those 80s attempts to pin crimes on rock bands, or D&D playing. Lawhawk?

The rock bands weren’t news channels openly talking about revolution and assassinations like they were good things.

If there is any line at all, we crossed it awhile ago.

If there is no line, then I’d like to invite you all to my compound for steaks, iced tea, oh, and violent revolution. /

44 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 10:58:14am

re: #35 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Could be home made body armor, and there are multiple legitimate reasons to own body armor. One of the first producers of commercial civilian body armor was a pizza deliveryman who had gotten shot on the job.

That would be, to me, a sign to go into another line of work. Which apparently he did.

45 allegro  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 10:58:44am

re: #34 Shiplord Kirel

Naw, he was just a lone nut, not representative of anything on the right. BILL AYERS! There are nuts on both sides. BLACK PANTHERS! It’s just what happens when a SOCIALIST is in the white house. ACORN! And what about those MUSLIMS trying to go all jihadist at the site of the 911!! Blah Blah…

See? Nothing to it.

/ times eleventy million trillion

46 Kragar  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 10:58:59am

re: #41 darthstar

Yep…body armor is really important in a town of 3300.

Depends on the 3300.

47 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 10:59:25am

re: #41 darthstar

Yep…body armor is really important in a town of 3300.

But he was coming to Oakland! Oakland is scary!

48 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 10:59:37am

re: #28 Cato the Elder

I am curious about what it takes for incitement laws to kick in.

When (not if) the day comes that one of these idiots kills a bunch of people and leaves being a note saying that watching the Glans Blech show convinced him he had to “do something”, can Fox/Blech/Malkin/Coulter etc. be held legally responsible?

Lawhawk?

I personally would doubt it. This sounds remarkably similar to family(ies) attempting to sue Ozzie Ozbourne because their son committed suicide and listened to his music a lot. Hard to establish the connection legally I think in such a way to hold Fox/whoever culpable.

Seems that people will go unhinged and the trigger can vary.

Ah. Two cases according to wikipedia
McCollum v. CBS
Waller v. Osbourne

49 researchok  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 11:00:33am

Israel to deploy new anti-missile system in November

Israel will deploy in November its anti-missile system designed to combat threats from the Gaza Strip and Lebanon, the defence ministry said on Monday.

“The Iron Dome interceptor, in conjunction with air force and anti-aircraft systems, successfully downed a large number of threats in fully operational mode,” the ministry said in statement.

“The first two batteries will become operational in November 2010,” it said adding that “the defence ministry will soon place orders for additional batteries.”

The system is designed to intercept short-range rockets and artillery shells, of which Hamas and the Hezbollah have fired thousands at Israel in the past.

50 Nimed  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 11:01:40am

re: #28 Cato the Elder

I am curious about what it takes for incitement laws to kick in.

When (not if) the day comes that one of these idiots kills a bunch of people and leaves being a note saying that watching the Glans Blech show convinced him he had to “do something”, can Fox/Blech/Malkin/Coulter etc. be held legally responsible?

Lawhawk?

Ready to sell out our liberties already, Cato?

Good morning/afternoon, lizards.

51 darthstar  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 11:02:13am

re: #46 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Depends on the 3300.

It’s actually a nice little area - mostly cattle ranchers, and very conservative. There used to be some mining around that part of the Sierras (one town not far from Groveland is called Copperopolis). No copper mining goes on anymore, so it’s mostly people who commute to Stockton and parolees. (My ex-wife’s father was a parole officer in that area for 30 years)

52 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 11:03:07am

Remember when “conservative” meant averse to extreme or rash action?

53 What, me worry?  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 11:05:02am

re: #43 Fozzie Bear

The rock bands weren’t news channels openly talking about revolution and assassinations like they were good things.

If there is any line at all, we crossed it awhile ago.

If there is no line, then I’d like to invite you all to my compound for steaks, iced tea, oh, and violent revolution. /

Ozzy Osbourne was sued twice by the parents of children who committed suicide claiming it was Ozzy’s lyrics. In both cases, the judge found in favor of Ozzy.

54 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 11:05:22am

Reports like this give me reason to worry what any major urban area would start to look like following a major natural/man-made catastrope (or a combination thereof) especially if it comes to the “hated” government officials trying to impose marital law on armed nutbags like that fellow, who comprise more the rule than the exception in many areas of America.

55 What, me worry?  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 11:05:50am

re: #48 oaktree

I personally would doubt it. This sounds remarkably similar to family(ies) attempting to sue Ozzie Ozbourne because their son committed suicide and listened to his music a lot. Hard to establish the connection legally I think in such a way to hold Fox/whoever culpable.

Seems that people will go unhinged and the trigger can vary.

Ah. Two cases according to wikipedia
McCollum v. CBS
Waller v. Osbourne

Ooops double post. Nevermind!

56 McSpiff  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 11:06:32am

re: #54 ralphieboy

Reports like this give me reason to worry what any major urban area would start to look like following a major natural/man-made catastrope (or a combination thereof) especially if it comes to the “hated” government officials trying to impose marital law on armed nutbags like that fellow, who comprise more the rule than the exception in many areas of America.

You think a majority of Americans would like to take a few pot shots at Highway Patrolmen? Really?

57 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 11:06:52am

OK, I have to say this… 45, lives in a trailer by his mother, gun nut, Fox obsessed….

In other words a typical stalker blog sort.

58 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 11:07:33am

re: #56 McSpiff

You think a majority of Americans would like to take a few pot shots at Highway Patrolmen? Really?

A rapidly growing minority.

59 McSpiff  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 11:08:21am

re: #58 Fozzie Bear

A rapidly growing minority.

That’s a very different statement.

60 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 11:08:26am

re: #29 marjoriemoon

No, just as long as Republicans are re-elected, so they can bring back the same horrible policies of the last 8 years of the Bush Administration. There are no Republican ideas that do not plunge us back into misery.

They want less government, unless it’s a Republican government, then it can be as big as they want it. Ask a Republican why they stayed so quiet while Bush grew his government by over 40%.

More regulations on woman’s bodies. More regulations on who can marry. Elderly or poor? Screw you! Privatize social security. Up the retirement age to 70. Get rid of Medicare and put in a voucher program paid by the insurance companies. Bring back the tax cuts for the rich! They won’t create jobs, but who cares. I got mine.

Arrgghh.

I love you marjoree. I could have written that myself. The Law has a word for folks like that. Rasha.

61 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 11:09:03am

re: #54 ralphieboy

Reports like this give me reason to worry what any major urban area would start to look like following a major natural/man-made catastrope (or a combination thereof) especially if it comes to the “hated” government officials trying to impose marital law on armed nutbags like that fellow, who comprise more the rule than the exception in many areas of America.

I suspect it would include an unfortunately large number of collateral casualties as the police and/or military (National Guard) start getting touchy about interactions with civilians at checkpoints and other other touch points. A “shoot first and ask questions later” attitude. Especially if things like truck or suicide bombings start to happen.

62 What, me worry?  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 11:09:05am

re: #57 LudwigVanQuixote

OK, I have to say this… 45, lives in a trailer by his mother, gun nut, Fox obsessed…

In other words a typical stalker blog sort.

lol gawd don’t say that!

63 What, me worry?  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 11:09:31am

re: #60 LudwigVanQuixote

I love you marjoree. I could have written that myself. The Law has a word for folks like that. Rasha.

Backatcha sweets :>

64 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 11:09:44am

re: #56 McSpiff

You think a majority of Americans would like to take a few pot shots at Highway Patrolmen? Really?

I mean that there are parts of America where there are lots of guys like that waiting on a a breakdown of public order to allow them a chance to get out and demonstrate their firepower in the name of Freedom.

65 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 11:10:52am

re: #64 ralphieboy

I mean that there are parts of America where there are lots of guys like that waiting on a a breakdown of public order to allow them a chance to get out and demonstrate their firepower in the name of Freedom.

And many of them are EXTREMELY excited about the possibilities.

66 cineaste  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 11:11:25am

re: #6 Cato the Elder

From what I’ve heard, his felony convictions were for bank robbery and other things.

His mom fails to impress. She said she kept her guns in a locked safe. But her angry felon son had access to them. And she told him they were there because sooner or later we’re gonna get caught up in a ‘revolution”.

Hmm. I wonder what teevee shows she’s been watching?

In any case, she’s a moron and she should go to jail too.

I agree - isn’t it a crime to make weapons available to a felon who is prohibited from possessing them?

67 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 11:11:29am

re: #64 ralphieboy

I mean that there are parts of America where there are lots of guys like that waiting on a a breakdown of public order to allow them a chance to get out and demonstrate their firepower in the name of Freedom.

“Food for five years, a thousand gallons of gas, air filtration, water filtration, Geiger counter. Bomb shelter! Underground… God damn monsters.”

;)

/

68 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 11:11:37am

Alouette,

Good news BTW… My family will most likely be purchasing a kiddush cup through zionist mall.

We have (my sister’s) an imminently arriving little boy.

69 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 11:12:34am

re: #67 oaktree

“Food for five years, a thousand gallons of gas, air filtration, water filtration, Geiger counter. Bomb shelter! Underground… God damn monsters.”

;)

/

They are prepared, organized and waiting for their God-given chance.

70 darthstar  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 11:13:56am

re: #54 ralphieboy

Reports like this give me reason to worry what any major urban area would start to look like following a major natural/man-made catastrope (or a combination thereof) especially if it comes to the “hated” government officials trying to impose marital law on armed nutbags like that fellow, who comprise more the rule than the exception in many areas of America.

He’s not an ‘urban’ nutbag. He’s a rural nutbag. Yes, he was pulled over and chose to start a gun-battle with police in an urban area, but for the most part, these guys actually come from the surrounding country, where one can go out and shoot their guns as much as they like without raising eyebrows.

71 Political Atheist  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 11:16:33am

re: #42 researchok

Don your helmet.

Did I dodge the bullet? :)

72 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 11:16:54am

Tea party quotes from the mouth of Jesus.

I like the juxtaposition of the words of self-identified “Christians” in chat bubbles over Jesus. It really drives home how incredibly NON-Christian the TP movement is in terms of stated beliefs.

73 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 11:17:39am

re: #65 Fozzie Bear

And many of them are EXTREMELY excited about the possibilities.

I know the fantasy well. These clods are sure the demise of civilization will let their natural manliness express itself again: Get rid of the cops, bosses, and bureaucrats, enslave all those metrosexual intellectual types and collect a harem of women grateful to be rid of them, shoot all the minorities and small animals you like, and live like a king in your re-modeled bunker.

74 darthstar  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 11:17:58am

re: #57 LudwigVanQuixote

OK, I have to say this… 45, lives in a trailer by his mother, gun nut, Fox obsessed…

In other words a typical stalker blog sort.

You just described my 50 year old brother, to the letter. Though he lives in his trailer on the land of another brother’s in-laws. He was a psychologist for many years. Now he lives off rental income (bought cheap houses in rural areas around the north state and rents them out…does quite well at that as he has most of them paid off and gets about 500 a month in rent from each). But he is a Fox obsessed idiot these days.

75 garhighway  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 11:17:58am

re: #72 Fozzie Bear

Tea party quotes from the mouth of Jesus.

I like the juxtaposition of the words of self-identified “Christians” in chat bubbles over Jesus. It really drives home how incredibly NON-Christian the TP movement is in terms of stated beliefs.

Blocked by my corporate firewall as “tasteless”.

It must have been good.

76 allegro  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 11:18:46am

This reminds me of just after the 2008 election when I was out walking my pooch and happened to have on the Obama tshirt a friend gave me. I was walking through the RV resort park where I live and hear a truck coming up behind me FAST. I jumped off the drive area dragging my dog to turn and look at the guy who had swerved to aim right for us. He turned away at the last minute just laughing and laughing at how he’d frightened us and made us jump. McCain/Palin bumper stickers, Trust God not Gov sticker, etc. and his license plate? “GodnGuns”

I was laughingly told I was over-reacting when I reported the guy to the park management. Just sayin’.

77 What, me worry?  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 11:18:54am

If anyone watched Meet the Press last Sunday, they got to fully enjoy watching David Gregory actually grow a pair. Maybe Tim Russert’s ghost stopped by for a visit, but Gregory was on fire. Coryn(R) and Sessions(R) spent an hour spouting rhetoric and refused to answer any question a meaningful response.

They didn’t because they couldn’t. They got nothing.

Coryn was caught like a deer in the headlights when Menendez(D) pointed out that even he supported the Republican running AGAINST both Angle and Rand! IOW, the NON-Tea Party candidates.

Menendez (most awesome liberal, btw) made the excellent point that this country will not vote in extremist candidates like the Tea Party candidates. We never have before anyway.

78 Gus  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 11:18:56am

re: #75 garhighway

Blocked by my corporate firewall as “tasteless”.

It must have been good.

Image: tumblr_l5p63pUCG81qbauyyo1_500.jpg

79 reidr  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 11:19:48am

re: #29 marjoriemoon

Just have to say: Nice rant!

80 What, me worry?  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 11:19:59am

re: #72 Fozzie Bear

Tea party quotes from the mouth of Jesus.

I like the juxtaposition of the words of self-identified “Christians” in chat bubbles over Jesus. It really drives home how incredibly NON-Christian the TP movement is in terms of stated beliefs.

OMG my heathen atheist husband will love this!

81 What, me worry?  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 11:20:32am

re: #79 reidr

Just have to say: Nice rant!

Thanks! I’m feeling rant-ish :>

82 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 11:20:41am

re: #70 darthstar

He’s not an ‘urban’ nutbag. He’s a rural nutbag. Yes, he was pulled over and chose to start a gun-battle with police in an urban area, but for the most part, these guys actually come from the surrounding country, where one can go out and shoot their guns as much as they like without raising eyebrows.


Imagine, if you would, a major catastrophe: an earthquake, series of floods/hurricanes that totally disrupt power, services, telephones and public order across a wide area, both urban and suburban.

I fear it would bring wierdos like this fellow out of the woodwork and have them driving about, blazing away at everything that resembled
a threat to their idea of America in their eyes, especially authorities out taking extraordinary measures to restore order, which they wouod immediately percieve as the first stages of the Great Communistic Government Takeover.


That is what worries me.

83 Cineaste  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 11:20:57am

re: #38 Rightwingconspirator

The guy is 100% delusional. Congress did not ram anything through, unless you mean TARP under Bush. Every issue, every vote was a big fight. Even Fox showed all of that top to bottom. They spun it as liberal foolishness, but they showed the fight, put on ever stupid thing the GOP ever said in opposition.

The wing nuts believe that they are the “legitimate” America and therefore any decision made that does not comport with their world view has been forced upon the people. They scream about “democracy” but they hate the reality of that. The reality is that one side wins and gets to set policy and, increasingly, that side is going to be made of minorities and other groups that the far right is doing its best to alienate.

When the right was in power, many on the left said they felt like they wanted to leave America because they were upset over the direction the country had chosen. When the left is in power, many on the right feel that the country needs a revolution to “take it back”. It’s a profound difference of view. One acknowledges the ebb and flow of democratic choice, the other doesn’t.

84 garhighway  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 11:21:07am
85 Gus  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 11:21:37am
86 Cineaste  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 11:22:57am

re: #77 marjoriemoon

Menendez (most awesome liberal, btw) made the excellent point that this country will not vote in extremist candidates like the Tea Party candidates. We never have before anyway.

I can name two:

Ron Paul
Michelle Bachmann

87 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 11:22:59am

re: #82 ralphieboy

Imagine, if you would, a major catastrophe: an earthquake, series of floods/hurricanes that totally disrupt power, services, telephones and public order across a wide area, both urban and suburban.

I fear it would bring wierdos like this fellow out of the woodwork and have them driving about, blazing away at everything that resembled
a threat to their idea of America in their eyes, especially authorities out taking extraordinary measures to restore order, which they wouod immediately percieve as the first stages of the Great Communistic Government Takeover.

That is what worries me.

And that is one of many reasons that we have A10’s and Apaches.

88 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 11:23:52am

re: #87 Fozzie Bear

And that is one of many reasons that we have A10’s and Apaches.


Black helocopters?

89 darthstar  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 11:24:07am

re: #82 ralphieboy

Imagine, if you would, a major catastrophe: an earthquake, series of floods/hurricanes that totally disrupt power, services, telephones and public order across a wide area, both urban and suburban.

I fear it would bring wierdos like this fellow out of the woodwork and have them driving about, blazing away at everything that resembled
a threat to their idea of America in their eyes, especially authorities out taking extraordinary measures to restore order, which they wouod immediately percieve as the first stages of the Great Communistic Government Takeover.

That is what worries me.

Lord of the Flies. There was an excellent paper several years ago about how the kids in that book formed their coalitions and lost sight of social skills over a period of time. The conclusion, based on the behavior of popular media and political figures of the time, was that if that had been a plane load of adults stranded on the island, the social structure would have broken down even faster than it did for the fictional group of children.

90 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 11:25:37am

I have to say that the best part of Tea Party Jesus is the artwork. Some of these are really charming, and some are, to say the least, odd.

91 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 11:25:48am

re: #88 ralphieboy

Black helocopters?

I think there is a certain ironic symmetry to giving nutbag paranoid revolutionaries a dramatic and sloppy exit from this world consistent with their deranged fantasies.

92 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 11:25:54am

re: #89 darthstar

Lord of the Flies. There was an excellent paper several years ago about how the kids in that book formed their coalitions and lost sight of social skills over a period of time. The conclusion, based on the behavior of popular media and political figures of the time, was that if that had been a plane load of adults stranded on the island, the social structure would have broken down even faster than it did for the fictional group of children.


Naw, it would’ve looked like “Lost”

93 darthstar  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 11:26:19am

Well, it’s a good thing THESE racists were kicked out of the Tea Party Nation.

That face looks eerily familiar…I can swear I’ve seen her someplace before.

94 What, me worry?  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 11:26:26am

re: #86 Cineaste

I can name two:

Ron Paul
Michelle Bachmann

That’s true, but I think they were elected prior to the Tea Party, although they are both extreme.

95 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 11:26:36am

“Sweaters are the anti-Biblical view”.

Shatnez laws are not supposed to prevent you from wearing a sweater at all, you just have to check the fiber content. Good grief.

96 Gus  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 11:27:32am
97 allegro  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 11:27:44am

re: #95 SanFranciscoZionist

Shatnez laws are not supposed to prevent you from wearing a sweater at all, you just have to check the fiber content. Good grief.

Curious… what fiber content is called for?

98 darthstar  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 11:27:52am

re: #92 ralphieboy

Naw, it would’ve looked like “Lost”

“Lost” assumed a Utopian vision of survival, with a series of mysterious foes to keep people unified.

99 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 11:28:07am

re: #95 SanFranciscoZionist

“Sweaters are the anti-Biblical view”.

Shatnez laws are not supposed to prevent you from wearing a sweater at all, you just have to check the fiber content. Good grief.

Lolwut? There’s religious sweater dogma?

100 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 11:28:25am

Also, I was unaware until seeing Tea Party Jesus that RS McCain apparently thinks he controls the IDF. That’s interesting.

101 What, me worry?  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 11:28:34am

re: #68 LudwigVanQuixote

Alouette,

Good news BTW… My family will most likely be purchasing a kiddush cup through zionist mall.

We have (my sister’s) an imminently arriving little boy.

Congrats Soon-To-Be-Uncle Ludwig!

102 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 11:28:50am

re: #97 allegro

Curious… what fiber content is called for?

Clothing with a wool-linen blend isn’t kosher.

103 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 11:29:02am

re: #91 Fozzie Bear

I think there is a certain ironic symmetry to giving nutbag paranoid revolutionaries a dramatic and sloppy exit from this world consistent with their deranged fantasies.


My point is not that these guys pose aa serious threat to our national security, but they present a large potential for casualties and destruction.

And in cases like this, there would be errors and over-reaction on the part of the authorities, and it would breed a new generation of Martyrs To The Cause of Freeedom like the ones we saw after Waco.

104 Jack Burton  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 11:30:15am

re: #82 ralphieboy

Imagine, if you would, a major catastrophe: an earthquake, series of floods/hurricanes that totally disrupt power, services, telephones and public order across a wide area, both urban and suburban.

I fear it would bring wierdos like this fellow out of the woodwork and have them driving about, blazing away at everything that resembled
a threat to their idea of America in their eyes, especially authorities out taking extraordinary measures to restore order, which they wouod immediately percieve as the first stages of the Great Communistic Government Takeover.

That is what worries me.

It didn’t happen during the confusion on 9/11, after the Loma Prieta Earthquake, the Northridge quake, Hurricane Andrew, Hurricane Katrina, the huge multi-day power outage in the northeast, or any of the dozens/hundreds of multi-thousand acre wildfires in California and the Southwest. I think you are worrying about something as likely to happen as Sarah Palin voting pro-choice.

105 Obdicut  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 11:30:23am

re: #102 SanFranciscoZionist

Hey, what level of speciation do they go to for that?

I mean, the genotypic variety among goats is more severe than between goats and sheep; would that mean that goat-hair can’t be blended with goat-hair from a significantly different goat?

106 webevintage  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 11:31:49am

re: #77 marjoriemoon

If anyone watched Meet the Press last Sunday, they got to fully enjoy watching David Gregory actually grow a pair.

It was pretty amazing….
[Link: thinkprogress.org…]

107 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 11:32:08am

re: #105 Obdicut

Hey, what level of speciation do they go to for that?

I mean, the genotypic variety among goats is more severe than between goats and sheep; would that mean that goat-hair can’t be blended with goat-hair from a significantly different goat?

Just can’t be wool and linen in the same garment…AFAIK, different types of wool are completely mixable.

108 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 11:32:11am

re: #104 ArchangelMichael

It didn’t happen during the confusion on 9/11, after the Loma Prieta Earthquake, the Northridge quake, Hurricane Andrew, Hurricane Katrina, the huge multi-day power outage in the northeast, or any of the dozens/hundreds of multi-thousand acre wildfires in California and the Southwest. I think you are worrying about something as likely to happen as Sarah Palin voting pro-choice.

It would take something bigger than any of those. 9/11 was disastrous but local, the big power outages werwe widespread but not associated with large loss of life.

It would take quite a lot: a major earthquake, a major flood/hurricane or a major-major terrorist attack, the latter of which would really get those guys blood up.

109 What, me worry?  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 11:32:33am

re: #83 Cineaste

When the right was in power, many on the left said they felt like they wanted to leave America because they were upset over the direction the country had chosen. When the left is in power, many on the right feel that the country needs a revolution to “take it back”. It’s a profound difference of view. One acknowledges the ebb and flow of democratic choice, the other doesn’t.

I’m kinda with ya on this, but confused by your last sentence. Who understands and who doesn’t?

110 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 11:32:49am

re: #104 ArchangelMichael

It didn’t happen during the confusion on 9/11, after the Loma Prieta Earthquake, the Northridge quake, Hurricane Andrew, Hurricane Katrina, the huge multi-day power outage in the northeast, or any of the dozens/hundreds of multi-thousand acre wildfires in California and the Southwest. I think you are worrying about something as likely to happen as Sarah Palin voting pro-choice.

I think you aren’t acknowledging the toxic political environment of the present day. It’s not just black people in LA who riot when they get upset, and it’s not just legitimate gripes that drive people to riot.

111 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 11:33:43am

re: #104 ArchangelMichael

It didn’t happen during the confusion on 9/11, after the Loma Prieta Earthquake, the Northridge quake, Hurricane Andrew, Hurricane Katrina, the huge multi-day power outage in the northeast, or any of the dozens/hundreds of multi-thousand acre wildfires in California and the Southwest. I think you are worrying about something as likely to happen as Sarah Palin voting pro-choice.

or the Pittsburgh Pirates winning the World Series…

112 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 11:34:37am

re: #111 oaktree

or the Pittsburgh Pirates winning the World Series…


And imagine what would happen to the North Side of the Chicago Cubs actually won the series…

113 Cineaste  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 11:35:10am

re: #109 marjoriemoon

I’m kinda with ya on this, but confused by your last sentence. Who understands and who doesn’t?

The group that says the country has chosen a different direction and I will leave has, in some way, at least acknowledged that democracies are the will of the majority. The minority that says that their country has been stolen by the majority vote doesn’t understand democracy.

114 What, me worry?  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 11:35:28am

re: #100 SanFranciscoZionist

Also, I was unaware until seeing Tea Party Jesus that RS McCain apparently thinks he controls the IDF. That’s interesting.

Slaughter all the Arabs is the answer eh? And why does he think Israel HASN’T done this when they could have done it 10x over. Because it’s wrong and will just make matters worse McCain’s a first class moron above everything else.

115 darthstar  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 11:35:42am

re: #112 ralphieboy

And imagine what would happen to the North Side of the Chicago Cubs actually won the series…

Or get to the series.

116 Jack Burton  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 11:35:45am

re: #111 oaktree

or the Pittsburgh Pirates winning the World Series…

That’s the only thing riot-worthy that has been listed. I guess I could add any soccer game as well.

117 Obdicut  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 11:38:01am

re: #107 SanFranciscoZionist

Ah, okay. Just plant/animal? So could you have leather with wool?

118 darthstar  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 11:38:02am

re: #116 ArchangelMichael

That’s the only thing riot-worthy that has been listed. I guess I could add any soccer game as well.

Pirates won the World Series on 1979. (‘71 and ‘60 before that, and 1925 and 1909). So it’s only been 31 years.

119 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 11:38:23am

re: #116 ArchangelMichael

That’s the only thing riot-worthy that has been listed. I guess I could add any soccer game as well.

Imagine the inner cities if America wins the World Cup…

120 garhighway  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 11:38:53am

OT: New season of “Mad Men” starts this Sunday.

Yay!

121 darthstar  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 11:39:20am

re: #119 ralphieboy

Imagine the inner cities if America wins the World Cup…

Imagine middle America when they realize the World Cup isn’t actually shaped like a cup.

122 What, me worry?  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 11:40:15am

re: #113 Cineaste

The group that says the country has chosen a different direction and I will leave has, in some way, at least acknowledged that democracies are the will of the majority. The minority that says that their country has been stolen by the majority vote doesn’t understand democracy.

Ah ok. Agreed.

I’m also disturbed about the near salivating over the idea of revolution. Like they’ve stored up their guns for ions and are really itchin to use them.

For the record, I never thought “America, love it or leave it” was such a good sentiment. For one, I should be able to voice dissenting opinion peacefully, that is without the threat of violence and hopefully with some education and a modicum of class (as opposed to just calling people idiots). Secondly, this is my country as much as yours and why should I go? I have as much right to be here as anyone.

123 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 11:41:20am

re: #121 darthstar

Imagine middle America when they realize the World Cup isn’t actually shaped like a cup.


And that it is not used for urine samples…

124 Kragar  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 11:43:40am

re: #120 garhighway

OT: New season of “Mad Men” starts this Sunday.

Yay!

With special guest star, Mel Gibson

125 garhighway  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 11:44:40am

re: #124 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

With special guest star, Mel Gibson

I hope not. That would muck it up.

126 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 11:45:01am

re: #122 marjoriemoon

Ah ok. Agreed.

I’m also disturbed about the near salivating over the idea of revolution. Like they’ve stored up their guns for ions and are really itchin to use them.

For the record, I never thought “America, love it or leave it” was such a good sentiment.

I understood the sentiment as “accept our values and our system of government - democracy, freedom of speech, religion and association or go somewhere else where thingsa re done differently.”

There is a lot of leeway in how those principles are set in law and how those laws are enforced.

But the whole imagery of the Tea Party is that of “patriots” standing up against tyranny, i.e., an unelected, non-representative government, which is just not the case in this country, and it does bother me.

127 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 11:45:16am

re: #117 Obdicut

Ah, okay. Just plant/animal? So could you have leather with wool?

Yes, and cotton with wool is OK. It’s a very specific prohibition that probably has a ritual origin, since the linen/wool blend is used in the garments of the High Priest.

128 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 11:45:57am

re: #127 SanFranciscoZionist

Yes, and cotton with wool is OK. It’s a very specific prohibition that probably has a ritual origin, since the linen/wool blend is used in the garments of the High Priest.


You mean like the days when peasants werren’t allowed to wear purple?

129 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 11:46:58am

re: #127 SanFranciscoZionist

Yes, and cotton with wool is OK. It’s a very specific prohibition that probably has a ritual origin, since the linen/wool blend is used in the garments of the High Priest.

That’s just ridiculous.

130 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 11:50:10am

re: #128 ralphieboy

You mean like the days when peasants werren’t allowed to wear purple?

Not exactly, it’s not a sumptuary law, it’s just forbidden to everyone but the High Priest. And I don’t think he can have his everyday hanging-out clothes made in it either, just the apron-thing that goes over the tunic when he’s officiating at rituals.

131 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 11:51:34am

re: #129 Fozzie Bear

That’s just ridiculous.

It’s just a religious prohibition. Nu, people have stranger taboos.

132 Obdicut  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 11:53:46am

re: #131 SanFranciscoZionist

It’s just a religious prohibition. Nu, people have stranger taboos.

Like pants.

133 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 11:54:14am

re: #132 Obdicut

Like pants.

Fight the power! Swing free!

134 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 11:56:21am

Highland Regiment dress regulations state that one may wear underwear under the kilt only on two occasions:

a) when in mixed company (e.g., dances)

or

b) during the thistle harvest

135 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 11:58:50am

re: #134 ralphieboy

Highland Regiment dress regulations state that one may wear underwear under the kilt only on two occasions:

a) when in mixed company (e.g., dances)

or

b) during the thistle harvest

There’s a legend that states that the kilt pin was introduced by Queen Victoria when a young man standing at attention was being embarrassed by his kilt blowing open. In front of the Queen. She took off her brooch, and pinned his flap down.

There are a number of reasons to doubt this story, but I do find it charming.

136 brownbagj  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 11:59:39am

re: #134 ralphieboy

Highland Regiment dress regulations state that one may wear underwear under the kilt only on two occasions:

a) when in mixed company (e.g., dances)

or

b) during the thistle harvest

I may not during mixed company, but during the thistle harvest, you can bet your bare booty! Underoos to the rescue!

/

137 reidr  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 11:59:51am

re: #112 ralphieboy

And imagine what would happen to the North Side of the Chicago Cubs actually won the series…

Chicago would be just a smoking crater.

138 brownbagj  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 12:00:26pm

re: #137 reidr

Kinda like Cleveland.

139 Cineaste  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 12:02:58pm

re: #122 marjoriemoon

Ah ok. Agreed.

I’m also disturbed about the near salivating over the idea of revolution. Like they’ve stored up their guns for ions and are really itchin to use them.

For the record, I never thought “America, love it or leave it” was such a good sentiment. For one, I should be able to voice dissenting opinion peacefully, that is without the threat of violence and hopefully with some education and a modicum of class (as opposed to just calling people idiots). Secondly, this is my country as much as yours and why should I go? I have as much right to be here as anyone.

Agreed on all points.

140 Cineaste  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 12:05:02pm

re: #126 ralphieboy

But the whole imagery of the Tea Party is that of “patriots” standing up against tyranny, i.e., an unelected, non-representative government, which is just not the case in this country, and it does bother me.

The fact that they don’t understand what the f-ing Boston Tea Party was in the first place speaks to that. The motto of that event was “No taxation without representation.” The tyrant King George was imposing levies without giving the colonists any say. The only people in America who have any claim to the Tea Party should be the citizens of Washington D.C. (whose license plates’ motto is “Taxation Without Representation”).

141 blueraven  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 12:10:35pm

re: #48 oaktree

I personally would doubt it. This sounds remarkably similar to family(ies) attempting to sue Ozzie Ozbourne because their son committed suicide and listened to his music a lot. Hard to establish the connection legally I think in such a way to hold Fox/whoever culpable.

Seems that people will go unhinged and the trigger can vary.

Ah. Two cases according to wikipedia
McCollum v. CBS
Waller v. Osbourne

Ozzie Osborne is not a so called News Organization. He is an entertainer. That is a huge difference. We should be able to trust, within some reason, the information we receive from legitmate news outlests.

142 wee fury  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 12:19:32pm

[Link: blogs.sfweekly.com…]
He was a twice-convicted felon driving on a suspended license with an arrest history including assault, property destruction, a DUI, hit and run, and theft. And, yes, he was allegedly driving drunk prior to yesterday’s shootout — which only occurred because Highway Patrol officers pulled him over en route to whatever grand plans he was intent on carrying out.

143 celticdragon  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 12:21:21pm

re: #104 ArchangelMichael

It didn’t happen during the confusion on 9/11, after the Loma Prieta Earthquake, the Northridge quake, Hurricane Andrew, Hurricane Katrina, the huge multi-day power outage in the northeast, or any of the dozens/hundreds of multi-thousand acre wildfires in California and the Southwest. I think you are worrying about something as likely to happen as Sarah Palin voting pro-choice.

Actually, you did have rioting after Katrina, and law enforemnet seems to have gotten well out of hand with a mass shooting incident at some bridge where they killed unarmed civilians. Cops confiscated firearms from everybody that they could find, and the NRA has (correctly, in my view) displayed that and made a point of pushing state laws that ban gun grabs after a disaster.

Unfortunatly, as already noted, the political siuation now is badly poisoned and I fear that the black helicopter crowd is primed for real resistance should a major natural disaster happen.

144 celticdragon  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 12:24:47pm

re: #134 ralphieboy


My 10 year old son insists on wearing underwear under his kilt at the Highland Games…quite sensibly I think.

btw…Grandfather Mountain Games were great this year. I took 2nd place in Scottish Harp Apprentice Level.

145 What, me worry?  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 12:24:55pm

re: #106 webevintage

It was pretty amazing…
[Link: thinkprogress.org…]

Oh that was good. I printed to read later.

I was so impressed with David Gregory. He hasn’t been terrible as a replacement for the irreplaceable Russert, but kinda iffy. But last Sunday’s interview was awesome. He was like a dog with a bone.

146 fizzlogic  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 12:27:34pm

re: #10 brennant

How long before they pain this guy as a left-winger?

He is a felon. And as we all know, felons vote Democratic.

147 What, me worry?  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 12:34:50pm

re: #126 ralphieboy

I understood the sentiment as “accept our values and our system of government - democracy, freedom of speech, religion and association or go somewhere else where thingsa re done differently.”

There is a lot of leeway in how those principles are set in law and how those laws are enforced.

But the whole imagery of the Tea Party is that of “patriots” standing up against tyranny, i.e., an unelected, non-representative government, which is just not the case in this country, and it does bother me.

But I don’t agree that you have to “accept our values”. What are our values anyway? They’re all over the spectrum. You have to respect our laws, yes, but we all value different things.

It’s true that the teabaggers have no sense of democracy. Sore losers to the extreme.

A democracy only means that we each get a representative vote. We aren’t a “democracy.” We are a democratically-elected Republic. We all know, that democracy is not the be-all, end-all of a perfect system. Gaza had a democratic vote, so did Cuba and Iran (cough-cough) and we see how well that all turned out. Without our law, our democracy wouldn’t mean squat.

I still believe every one born here has a right to be here. Everyone that wants to become a citizen should also have the right to do so also, as long as they aren’t a criminal.

148 Romantic Heretic  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 12:54:45pm

For Babylon 5 fans.

So it begins.

How does it end? In fire.

149 Romantic Heretic  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 1:02:46pm

re: #67 oaktree

“Food for five years, a thousand gallons of gas, air filtration, water filtration, Geiger counter. Bomb shelter! Underground… God damn monsters.”

;)

/

Broke into the wrong goddamn rec room, didn’t ya? *grin*

150 Romantic Heretic  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 1:08:31pm

re: #73 Shiplord Kirel

I know the fantasy well. These clods are sure the demise of civilization will let their natural manliness express itself again: Get rid of the cops, bosses, and bureaucrats, enslave all those metrosexual intellectual types and collect a harem of women grateful to be rid of them, shoot all the minorities and small animals you like, and live like a king in your re-modeled bunker.

I call this ‘The meanest son of a bitch in the valley’ syndrome. As in “Yea, though I walk through the Valley of Death, I will fear no Evil. For I am the meanest son of a bitch in the Valley!”

Considering that most of these sad sacks of shit only knowledge about combat is which end of the gun the bang comes out of I think they’re overly confident of their ability to survive in such circumstances.

151 Romantic Heretic  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 1:20:31pm

re: #133 Fozzie Bear

Fight the power! Swing free!

No thanks. Did that once. Sat on my testicles. Never again.

152 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 1:24:38pm

re: #151 Romantic Heretic

No thanks. Did that once. Sat on my testicles. Never again.

You need a sack-tuck, my friend. I don’t generally recommend cosmetic genital surgery, but it may be time. /

153 Radical Rafe  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 1:51:00pm
And which cable news network is constantly pumping up the outrage and hatred against the Obama administration? Hint: it ain’t CNN

So…we’re blaming the actions of a clearly troubled, distressed and dangerous human being on a cable news network?

154 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 2:17:41pm

re: #153 Radical Rafe

“Blaming” it on a cable news network? Not entirely. This guy was clearly a loser already. But if you’re going to try to deny that the constant stream of hate speech and race-baiting that pours out of Fox News affects the thinking of people like this, you’re being deliberately obtuse.

155 Aldous  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 4:19:10pm

Wanna bet the News Networks will ignore this?

156 Radical Rafe  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:26:26pm

re: #154 Charles

well, I’m not being deliberately obtuse. Just wondering what one has to do with the other in this case. Any evidence that this guy even owned a television, much less watched Fox News? Who else, other than you, is making the connection? And what does that answer reveal?

157 122 Year Old Obama  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:38:55pm

re: #156 Radical Rafe

What other news station deals in hate speech?

158 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 7:19:10pm

re: #156 Radical Rafe

well, I’m not being deliberately obtuse. Just wondering what one has to do with the other in this case. Any evidence that this guy even owned a television, much less watched Fox News? Who else, other than you, is making the connection? And what does that answer reveal?

Williams watched the news on television and was upset by “the way Congress was railroading through all these left-wing agenda items,” his mother said.

Can you read?

159 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 8:19:41pm

re: #156 Radical Rafe

well, I’m not being deliberately obtuse. Just wondering what one has to do with the other in this case. Any evidence that this guy even owned a television, much less watched Fox News? Who else, other than you, is making the connection? And what does that answer reveal?

Well, you could try actually reading the article for starters. The one who’s making the connection is his own mother.

160 Locker  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 8:42:37pm

re: #159 Charles

Well, you could try actually reading the article for starters. The one who’s making the connection is his own mother.

Hey, the login button is working for me now. Woop! So anyway… how dare you expect someone to read an article before scolding you for “reading into it”. Bastard!

161 Radical Rafe  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 3:42:52am

You know what, guys? You got me there. I didn’t follow the link to the article and clearly didn’t read the post closely enough to make comments. My bad. Still think the link between Fox News viewer and murderous rampaging gunman is spurious. Any evidence the guy even had cable? ;-)


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