1 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 1:53:05pm

Well “refudiate” is closer than her first “refutiate”… What this shows is that someone pointed the error out, and she tried to learn but failed.

2 Radicchio ad Absurdum  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 1:54:53pm

re: #1 LudwigVanQuixote

Well “refudiate” is closer than her first “refutiate”… What this shows is that someone pointed the error out, and she tried to learn but failed.

Show up on failblog yet?

3 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 1:54:57pm

I don’t see refudiate in no Bible…

4 McSpiff  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 1:55:35pm

re: #1 LudwigVanQuixote

Well “refudiate” is closer than her first “refutiate”… What this shows is that someone pointed the error out, and she tried to learn but failed.

I just dont understand why she thinks she’s good at this whole politics thing.

5 greygandalf  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 1:56:34pm

Honestly, if I would have read refudiate as a misspelled word in an article I wouldn’t have questioned it or cared. The big deal is her claiming to be Shakespeare over it.

6 windsagio  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 1:57:19pm

re: #4 McSpiff

Because if narrowcasted, she is. She only runs into problems when she strays off the reservation.

7 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 1:57:32pm

She asked peace-loving Muslims to refudiate/repudiate/refuse/whatever the building of a Sufi community center in Manhattan, who’s imam is a 20+ year resident of the neighborhood.

She characterized as a stab to the heart. And to the heartland.

Yes, what she actually said was far more dangerous, bigoted, and irresponsible than the way she said it.

8 NastyLiberal  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 1:57:37pm

Folks, what’s missing the point is to miss we’re seeing our generation’s William Blake… sheer poetry, this meadowlark voice!

[Link: www.slate.com…]

9 darthstar  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 1:57:40pm

“What light through yonder window breaks? It is Russia, and I can see it from my porch!”
(that was one of my favoriate #shakespalin tweets)

10 windsagio  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 1:58:01pm

Also!

I think that the reason they focus so much on the word is that they’re all suffering battle-fatigue over her general racist/populist nativism >>

11 darthstar  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 1:58:29pm

re: #9 darthstar

“What light through yonder window breaks? It is Russia, and I can see it from my porch!”
(that was one of my favoriate #shakespalin tweets)

Oh, and this one, “To sleep, perchance to drill baby, drill.”

12 ShaunP  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 1:59:01pm

re: #6 windsagio

Because if narrowcasted, she is. She only runs into problems when she strays off the reservation.

Essentially, she’s a right-wing banter machine. Put a quarter in and get a talking point.

hat tip: John Stewart…

13 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 1:59:50pm

This is what happens when you decide to embrace being a fuck up as OK rather then working to better yourself.

14 windsagio  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 2:00:24pm

re: #13 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Or maybe externalizing it.

“I’m not a loser, all these bastards are just out to get me!”

15 Lidane  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 2:00:27pm

re: #4 McSpiff

I just dont understand why she thinks she’s good at this whole politics thing.

Because she’s had a lot of starburst-addled idiots kissing her ass since 2008, telling her she’s God’s gift to politics.

16 greygandalf  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 2:00:31pm

She did succeed in getting a lot of attention and discussion over her little tweet. Which wouldnt have happened with correct spelling.

17 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 2:01:18pm

re: #11 darthstar

Oh, and this one, “To sleep, perchance to drill baby, drill.”

Whether ‘tis nobler in the mind to suffer
The slings and arrows of outrageous fortune,
Or to take arms and gun down wolves from a low flying helicopter

18 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 2:01:53pm

re: #16 greygandalf

I think the amazingly bigoted remarks would have still drawn attention, both of approval and disapproval.

Now, for better or worse, most people are just laughing at the fact she not only screwed up, but then tried to hide it and, when that failed, tried to compare herself to Shakespeare.

19 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 2:02:19pm

re: #4 McSpiff

I just dont understand why she thinks she’s good at this whole politics thing.

Because, to morons (her audience) she’s a genius. To everybody else, not so much.

20 McSpiff  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 2:02:20pm

re: #16 greygandalf

She did succeed in getting a lot of attention and discussion over her little tweet. Which wouldnt have happened with correct spelling.

I’d much rather that the media be screaming from the rooftops “If you support this xenophobic ‘heartland’ crap YOU ARE WRONG”. But instead they giggle over spelling.

21 jamesfirecat  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 2:02:23pm

re: #7 Obdicut

She asked peace-loving Muslims to refudiate/repudiate/refuse/whatever the building of a Sufi community center in Manhattan, who’s imam is a 20+ year resident of the neighborhood.

She characterized as a stab to the heart. And to the heartland.

Yes, what she actually said was far more dangerous, bigoted, and irresponsible than the way she said it.

But she said such horrible things in such a gosh darn down home folsky manner, you betcha!

22 ShaunP  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 2:03:01pm

re: #18 Obdicut

I think the amazingly bigoted remarks would have still drawn attention, both of approval and disapproval.

Now, for better or worse, most people are just laughing at the fact she not only screwed up, but then tried to hide it and, when that failed, tried to compare herself to Shakespeare.

Cue “left wing media smear-job”…

23 windsagio  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 2:03:09pm

re: #18 Obdicut

Said this yesterday, but…

I’m always amazed at the mindset that makes people hunker down, bristle and fight to defend things like this, when they could have just let it go away.

P, or her handlers have made this 1000x times worse via her actions.

24 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 2:03:19pm

re: #7 Obdicut

She asked peace-loving Muslims to refudiate/repudiate/refuse/whatever the building of a Sufi community center in Manhattan, who’s imam is a 20+ year resident of the neighborhood.

She characterized as a stab to the heart. And to the heartland.

Yes, what she actually said was far more dangerous, bigoted, and irresponsible than the way she said it.

This is a very important point. We should not let her ignorance and stupidity detract from the intense evil of her intent and anti-Americanism of her message.

25 webevintage  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 2:03:40pm

STOP picking on Sarah.
Don’t you know she is brilliant!!
Even Shakespeare made up words and so she is like Shakespeare.

and GRIZZLY MAMA!
/

26 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 2:04:15pm

The willing embrace of ignorance, stupidity and superstition has done more to distance me from the GOP than any amount of pandering or promises from the left.

27 NastyLiberal  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 2:04:24pm

Queen Sarah the Immiscible for poet laureate:

Reading Sarah Palin’s anguished interview with Greta van Susteren of Fox News just after the election, I had an epiphany: Palin is a poet, and a fine one at that. What the philistine media take for incoherence is, in fact, the fruitful ambiguity of verse[…]

A great poet needs to leave open the door between the conscious and unconscious; Sarah Palin has removed her door from its hinges. A great poet does not self-censor; Sarah Palin seems authentically innocent of what she is saying. She could be the most natural, visionary poet since William Blake.

Now if Queenie has recognised English as a living tongue, does she refudiate the Official Language movement?

28 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 2:05:50pm

re: #24 LudwigVanQuixote

I’d like to hear her— and all those opposing this center— that among the victims of 9/11 were many innocent Muslims.

Which, of course, makes the argument that this center is an offense against the victims of 9/11 look really insane.

29 windsagio  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 2:06:04pm

re: #24 LudwigVanQuixote

Again tho’, her message hasn’t changed significantly. There’s no surprise in the fact that she will try to rabble-rouse and spread hate.

No surprise=not much news.


… Not that I think we shouldn’t point it out all the time, but people being SHOCKED! that she’d say something like that is a bit silly.

30 McSpiff  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 2:06:33pm

re: #28 Obdicut

I’d like to hear her— and all those opposing this center— that among the victims of 9/11 were many innocent Muslims.

Which, of course, makes the argument that this center is an offense against the victims of 9/11 look really insane.

The heartland couldn’t give a shit about anyone from the ME in those towers.

31 windsagio  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 2:06:57pm

re: #30 McSpiff

Not “Real America” anyways >>

32 greygandalf  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 2:07:32pm

re: #30 McSpiff

The heartland couldn’t give a shit about anyone from the ME in those towers.

Nice generalization. While we are at it. All muslims hate christians.

33 darthstar  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 2:07:36pm

Fuckity fuck, fuck, fuck.

Late Sunday, Allen said something was detected seeping near the broken oil well and demanded in a sharply worded letter that BP step up monitoring of the ocean floor. Allen didn’t say what was seeping. White House spokesman Robert Gibbs said Monday afternoon the seepage was about two miles from the well head. He also said the well head is leaking.

[Link: www.google.com…]

34 McSpiff  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 2:08:36pm

re: #32 greygandalf

Nice generalization. While we are at it. All muslims hate christians.

Go nuts, but keep in mind “heartland = my supporters” for Sarah.

35 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 2:09:14pm

re: #16 greygandalf

She did succeed in getting a lot of attention and discussion over her little tweet. Which wouldnt have happened with correct spelling.

That’s irrefudiatable.

36 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 2:09:30pm

The real issue here is the mosque. I heard a talk show host this morning not only slam Muslims for wanting to build the mosque, he was equating the fact that non-Mormons are not allowed inside a Temple during actual temple services, and that is the same as westerners not being able to be in Mecca and that this will become an issue for Mitt if he runs for president… and this was a conservative talk show pundit. This pundit evidently cares nothing about the freedoms given in our constitution.

37 Lidane  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 2:10:50pm

re: #26 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The willing embrace of ignorance, stupidity and superstition has done more to distance me from the GOP than any amount of pandering or promises from the left.

All of those things have kept me away from the GOP since I was first old enough to vote. I just can’t put my brain on hold the way that Fox News, talk radio, and the national GOP want me to.

The Dems are far from perfect, and have the uncanny ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory most of the time, but I’ll deal with their idiocy long before I’d ever sign on the GOP party line, *especially* here in Texas.

38 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 2:11:23pm

re: #36 Walter L. Newton

The real issue here is the mosque. I heard a talk show host this morning not only slam Muslims for wanting to build the mosque, he was equating the fact that non-Mormons are not allowed inside a Temple during actual temple services, and that is the same as westerners not being able to be in Mecca and that this will become an issue for Mitt if he runs for president… and this was a conservative talk show pundit. This pundit evidently cares nothing about the freedoms given in our constitution.

I was unaware that nonbelievers faced a death sentence if they attempted to enter the Tabernacle during services.

39 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 2:11:25pm

re: #35 SanFranciscoZionist

That’s irrefudiatable.

She talks like I spell. But I have a more carefree style of improper usage of my pronouns… it’s an art.

40 windsagio  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 2:11:45pm

re: #36 Walter L. Newton

That’s a bizarre twist for them to go for.

I mean Mitt’s religion will kill him in a general, for sure, but over THAT little tidbit?

41 darthstar  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 2:12:54pm

re: #36 Walter L. Newton

The real issue here is the mosque. I heard a talk show host this morning not only slam Muslims for wanting to build the mosque, he was equating the fact that non-Mormons are not allowed inside a Temple during actual temple services, and that is the same as westerners not being able to be in Mecca and that this will become an issue for Mitt if he runs for president… and this was a conservative talk show pundit. This pundit evidently cares nothing about the freedoms given in our constitution.

The real issue is the punditry in this country. They look for outrage where there is none, then they invent it and say, “The question needs to be asked.” Then some retard like Michele Bachmann or Sarah Palin repeats what the pundits say with the “some people say” line, and their supporters take up the cause as the next great threat to democracy, and Fox reports on the “news” for two weeks straight.

What we need are reality-based pundits. Not these assholes trying to create a meme that supports their positions on the issues.

42 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 2:13:15pm

re: #39 Walter L. Newton

She talks like I spell. But I have a more carefree style of improper usage of my pronouns… it’s an art.

Yeah, but it’s not at all artful if it is done out of ignorance, rather than out of a sense of play. Then it’s just fucking stupid.

43 Ojoe  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 2:14:26pm

When in disgrace with Fortune and men’s eyes,
I all alone beweep my outcast state,
And trouble deaf heaven with my bootless twitters,

(Apologies to W.S.)

44 darthstar  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 2:14:31pm

re: #38 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I was unaware that nonbelievers faced a death sentence if they attempted to enter the Tabernacle during services.

Islam teaches that if a person performs the Umrah or the Hajj correctly and with sincere intentions (to please God), all his/her sins are forgiven.


It doesn’t say you have to be a Muslim, or that you’ll face death.

45 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 2:14:32pm

I suggest these assholes just man up and say they are opposing Islam in general.

The only thing I loathe more than a bigot is one that doesn’t have the balls to admit what they are.

46 Eclectic Infidel  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 2:15:33pm

re: #35 SanFranciscoZionist

That’s irrefudiatable.

Ouch.

47 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 2:15:35pm

re: #30 McSpiff

The heartland couldn’t give a shit about anyone from the ME in those towers.

People like Palin, (crazy right-wing pundits, that is) at least, never saw New Yorkers as real, or particularly ‘American’. They still don’t.

Not long after the Twin Towers attack, Bill O’Reilly was gleefully suggesting San Francisco as the next terrorist target. So much for a deep and abiding sense of shock, outrage or sorrow.

I got contempt.

So does the lady at Mudflats.

48 Eclectic Infidel  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 2:16:44pm

re: #4 McSpiff

I just dont understand why she thinks she’s good at this whole politics thing.

She’s good enough to have a steady following of wingnuts and loons who in turn do damage to the credibility of the GOP. Sarah Palin is doing her part. :)

49 wrenchwench  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 2:16:48pm

LGF now qualifies as “various US bloggers.”

50 ShaunP  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 2:17:02pm

re: #40 windsagio

That’s a bizarre twist for them to go for.

I mean Mitt’s religion will kill him in a general, for sure, but over THAT little tidbit?

I’m no fan of Mitt’s, but it’s really unfortunate that this is a true statement. I’d much rather there be widespread hate for the man’s flip-flopping policies than for the sideways looks concerning his religion…

51 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 2:17:39pm

re: #36 Walter L. Newton

The real issue here is the mosque. I heard a talk show host this morning not only slam Muslims for wanting to build the mosque, he was equating the fact that non-Mormons are not allowed inside a Temple during actual temple services, and that is the same as westerners not being able to be in Mecca and that this will become an issue for Mitt if he runs for president… and this was a conservative talk show pundit. This pundit evidently cares nothing about the freedoms given in our constitution.

I demand to be allowed into a sweatlodge ceremony! I don’t care that I’m not Lakota, know jack about the religion, and it’s an all-male ceremony! I have a constitutional right to be included in any religious service I choose to be included in.

(Also, Westerners are allowed in Mecca, just not non-Muslims.)

52 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 2:18:20pm

re: #38 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I was unaware that nonbelievers faced a death sentence if they attempted to enter the Tabernacle during services.

I understand that several people have expired under the weight of the explanatory pamphlets thrust upon them.

53 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 2:18:39pm

re: #51 SanFranciscoZionist

I demand access to girl’s locker rooms.

Actually, I can’t think of anything that would demystify the female gender more.

I take it back.

54 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 2:18:43pm

re: #44 darthstar

It doesn’t say you have to be a Muslim, or that you’ll face death.

Separate from Saudi criminal law

Non-Muslims are not permitted to enter Mecca under Saudi law.[2] The Saudi government supports their position using Sura 9:28 from the Qur’an:

O you who believe! the idolaters are nothing but unclean, so they shall not approach the Sacred Mosque after this year; and if you fear poverty then Allah will enrich you out of His grace if He please; surely Allah is Knowing Wise.
—Qur’an, Sura 9 At-Tawba, ayah 28, [43]

The existence of cities closed to non-Muslims and the mystery of the Hajjis have often aroused intense curiosity in people from around the world. Some have falsely claimed to be Muslims in order to visit the city of Mecca and the Grand Mosque to experience the Hajj for themselves. The first to leave a record was Ludovico di Varthema of Bologna in 1503.[44] The most famous account of a foreigner’s journey to Mecca is Personal Narrative of a Pilgrimage to Mecca and Medina, written by Richard Francis Burton.[45] Burton traveled as a Qadiriyyah Sufi from Afghanistan. Individuals who use fake certificates of Muslim identity to enter may be arrested and prosecuted by Saudi authorities.[46]

55 Ojoe  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 2:19:17pm

re: #33 darthstar

Robert Gibbs said Monday afternoon the seepage was about two miles from the well head.

The TWO MILES part is really worrisome.

They had better intersect the original bore as far down as they can, and cement it for as long a distance as they can.

56 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 2:19:21pm

re: #38 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

re: #40 windsagio

re: #41 darthstar

It was amazing… it was like this guy was trying to hit as many targets as he could in one subject… anything that wasn’t mainstream Protestant was not American. One minutes he’s talking about how no American could want that mosque built, and then talking to Newt Gringrich, and mentioning that Americans will question Romney about his religion, and how private temple services are the same as not letting westerners in Mecca and this went on… boy, if you wanted to hear someone’s view of white bread America, this was it.

57 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 2:19:29pm

re: #47 SanFranciscoZionist

People like Palin, (crazy right-wing pundits, that is) at least, never saw New Yorkers as real, or particularly ‘American’. They still don’t.

Not long after the Twin Towers attack, Bill O’Reilly was gleefully suggesting San Francisco as the next terrorist target. So much for a deep and abiding sense of shock, outrage or sorrow.

I got contempt.

So does the lady at Mudflats.

Yep. The crazy bitch managed to alienate me before I even heard a single policy position.

Anyone who suggests they are more “real” of an American than myself, I suggest they kindly accept my invitation to go fuck themselves.

I hate Sarah Palin with a passion that burns every bit as brightly as Sarah Palin’s hatred for all things different from her. She is a cancer. She is America’s festering infected wound, scratched open repeatedly, only to crust over each time more disfigured than the last.

58 ShaunP  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 2:21:14pm

re: #57 Fozzie Bear

Yep. The crazy bitch managed to alienate me before I even heard a single policy position.

Anyone who suggests they are more “real” of an American than myself, I suggest they kindly accept my invitation to go fuck themselves.

I hate Sarah Palin with a passion that burns every bit as brightly as Sarah Palin’s hatred for all things different from her. She is a cancer. She is America’s festering infected wound, scratched open repeatedly, only to crust over each time more disfigured than the last.

You hate her because she’s pretty. I knowed it…

///////////1/////1///

59 Ojoe  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 2:21:21pm

re: #47 SanFranciscoZionist

Any leader worth having will see us all as Americans, and not make distinctions.

I don’t see anybody on the national scene who does that.

60 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 2:23:18pm

re: #57 Fozzie Bear

Yep. The crazy bitch managed to alienate me before I even heard a single policy position.

Anyone who suggests they are more “real” of an American than myself, I suggest they kindly accept my invitation to go fuck themselves.

I hate Sarah Palin with a passion that burns every bit as brightly as Sarah Palin’s hatred for all things different from her. She is a cancer. She is America’s festering infected wound, scratched open repeatedly, only to crust over each time more disfigured than the last.

I’m not quite I understand your feeling about her. Perhaps if you cut loose and really let go.

/

61 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 2:23:37pm

I gotta get going.

See you all.

62 webevintage  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 2:23:40pm

On Twitter:
owillis bwahahaha, beck now calling obama a dictator. perfect kind of bs to nudge his base into doing something very horrible.

63 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 2:24:22pm

re: #51 SanFranciscoZionist

I demand to be allowed into a sweatlodge ceremony! I don’t care that I’m not Lakota, know jack about the religion, and it’s an all-male ceremony! I have a constitutional right to be included in any religious service I choose to be included in.

(Also, Westerners are allowed in Mecca, just not non-Muslims.)

Actually, that’s another story… I have had the honor of attending a five day REAL Lakota Sundance… invited by a Lakota family I know in SD., and I approached the 5 days with the respect due… a very important week…. and even a challenge for the spectators…

64 Eclectic Infidel  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 2:24:24pm

re: #54 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

As much as I am a history geek, I would never in my right mind lie about being Muslim in order to gain access to Mecca. The Saudis don’t fuck around when it comes to blasphemy of their religious code.

65 RadicalModerate  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 2:25:40pm

I dare anyone to refudiate Sarah’s cromulence.

/eleventy!

66 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 2:26:55pm

re: #65 RadicalModerate

I dare anyone to refudiate Sarah’s cromulence.

/eleventy!

Quit trying to obscuriate the issue with factismal evidencionism.

67 [deleted]  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 2:27:28pm
68 HoosierHoops  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 2:27:56pm

re: #62 webevintage

On Twitter:
owillis bwahahaha, beck now calling obama a dictator. perfect kind of bs to nudge his base into doing something very horrible.

Before my box crashed..Again..He compared Obama to Caesar..
So there you go…

69 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 2:28:30pm

re: #68 HoosierHoops

Before my box crashed..Again..He compared Obama to Caesar..
So there you go…

Romero or the salad?

70 windsagio  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 2:30:53pm

re: #59 Ojoe

What distinctions do you see the Pres as seeing? Just curious ;)

71 Ojoe  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 2:30:55pm

Caesar was OK, IMHO.

(“What have the Romans ever done for us?”)

72 HoosierHoops  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 2:31:00pm

re: #69 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Romero or the salad?

LOL He had the bust on his desk and everything…All Hail Caesar!!
Beck is such an effen Clown

73 Ojoe  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 2:32:41pm

re: #70 windsagio

Hey, you remember I bet.

Anyway, I crave some real leadership, I don’t think the country has any, nor has it had for a long, long time.

74 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 2:32:47pm

re: #71 Ojoe

Caesar was OK, IMHO.

(“What have the Romans ever done for us?”)

Roads?

75 garhighway  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 2:33:09pm

re: #67 harrisam

Sigh…

Either we live our principles or we don’t. I say we do, and I say that doing so means treating all religions equally. If a synagogue or a cathedral or a Baptist church or a Baha’i temple are OK, then so is a mosque. If the JCC or 92nd St Y would be welcome, so should be the Cordoba House. The day we allow our government to choose between religions, some favored and some disfavored, is the day we become just a little less free.

76 windsagio  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 2:33:39pm

re: #73 Ojoe

I honestly don’t, only been up for a little while tho and haven’t eaten so low blood sugar, so that might be the problem.

77 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 2:34:36pm

re: #67 harrisam

Pat Condell is a twerp.

78 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 2:34:37pm

re: #75 garhighway

And the Socon wing of the GOP is just fine with that.

79 wrenchwench  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 2:35:21pm

re: #67 harrisam

Maybe we should see what Bert Rutan has to say about it….

80 windsagio  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 2:35:26pm

re: #67 harrisam

Oh look, its more reflexive hate of Islam that makes us want to throw all our principles away!

81 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 2:35:35pm

Dont quote the Jihadwatch links guys, more for Charles to clean up later

82 HoosierHoops  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 2:36:05pm

re: #76 windsagio

I honestly don’t, only been up for a little while tho and haven’t eaten so low blood sugar, so that might be the problem.

Coffee..Coffee..Coffee x20 times

83 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 2:36:09pm

Racist New Hampshire State House Candidate Advises Tea Party To Be More Open With Its Racism

Ryan J. Murdough, a Republican candidate for New Hampshire State House, has no qualms about expressing his views on race. “It is time for white people in New Hampshire and across the country to take a stand,” Murdough wrote in a letter to the Concord Monitor titled “We must preserve our racial identity”:

For far too long white Americans have been told that diversity is something beneficial to their existence. Statistics prove that the opposite is true. New Hampshire residents must seek to preserve their racial identity if we want future generations to have to possibility to live in such a great state. Affirmative action, illegal and legal non-white immigration, anti-white public school systems, and an anti-white media have done much damage to the United States of America and especially New Hampshire. It is time for white people in New Hampshire and across the country to take a stand. We are only 8 percent of the world’s population and we need our own homeland, just like any other non-white group of people deserve their own homeland.

84 windsagio  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 2:36:33pm

re: #82 HoosierHoops

Waiting for the sun to come out, its weirdly cold here today (’60s)

85 garhighway  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 2:37:21pm

re: #81 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Dont quote the Jihadwatch links guys, more for Charles to clean up later

Good point. Didn’t mean to repost the link.

86 windsagio  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 2:37:23pm

re: #83 Killgore Trout

Racist New Hampshire State House Candidate Advises Tea Party To Be More Open With Its Racism

You know when I said I thought this was a good thing for making us face our racist heritage?

I think I was actually joking.

(Good god!)

87 Ojoe  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 2:38:16pm

re: #83 Killgore Trout

WTF ?!?

88 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 2:39:04pm

TP Express responds: expulsion is ‘preposterous’

A Tea Party Express coordinator said Monday the group’s expulsion from a national coalition over a member’s blog posting about the NAACP was “arrogant and preposterous.”

Tea Party Express was expelled from the National Tea Party Federation, a coalition of grass-roots political groups, for refusing to publicly rebuke and oust spokesman Mark Williams.

Williams had posted a blog that satirized the NAACP and referred to its president Benjamin Jealous as “Tom’s nephew and NAACP head colored person.”

The NAACP approved a resolution last week that calls on activists and others to “repudiate the racist element and activities” within the tea party movement.

Tea Party Express coordinator Joe Wierzbicki claimed the federation had “enabled and empowered the NAACP’s racist attacks on the tea party movement, and they should be ashamed of themselves.”

“Circular firing squads of groups within the tea party movement attacking one another accomplish nothing, and on this issue the Tea Party Federation is wrong,” he said in a statement.

89 RadicalModerate  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 2:39:30pm

re: #68 HoosierHoops

Before my box crashed..Again..He compared Obama to Caesar..
So there you go…

Someone needs to remind Glenn that Caesar was a TITLE, not a name - ancient Rome had a multitude of people with the designation, varying wildly in their location on the political spectrum.

90 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 2:40:45pm

re: #89 RadicalModerate

Someone needs to remind Glenn that Caesar was a TITLE, not a name - ancient Rome had a multitude of people with the designation, varying wildly in their location on the political spectrum.

I wonder if anyone has told Glenn that Czar is a derivative of Caesar.

91 windsagio  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 2:41:34pm

Put into the right thread this time:
Is this really him?

Are Jews a Race?… What they
By Ryan Joseph Murdough - 07/12/2010 - 2:14 pm
Are Jews a Race?… What they themselves say!

And

I canceled my twitter account simply because I stopped using it. I am a moderator at whitenews.com where I can write more lengthy posts if I choose. Posting that I was a racist was a mistake because the word has no specific definition. It is just a label that anti-White people like to use to try and silence anyone such as myself from exercising freedom of speech on racial issues. “Anti-semite” is another one that has been thrown around so often that its affect is wearing off.
92 windsagio  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 2:42:21pm

re: #91 windsagio

DAMMIT stupid code fished out the link that I didn’t want to be a link and turned it into hypertext anyways.

Sorry all >>

93 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 2:43:16pm

re: #91 windsagio

Yup, that’s him.

94 albusteve  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 2:43:49pm

re: #87 Ojoe

WTF ?!?

White Pride
defeat the oppression!

it’s the new pink

95 wrenchwench  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 2:44:17pm

re: #83 Killgore Trout

At least the local Republicans have refudiated him.

State Republican Party Chairman John H. Sununu “found the letter to be disgusting and has immediately issued an order barring this imposter from using any party resource to promote his candidacy,” said party spokesman Ryan Williams.

“Mr. Murdough is a despicable racist,” said Williams. “His racist views are abhorrent and he is not welcome in the New Hampshire Republican Party.”

The state party does not endorse candidates in primary elections, but does provide candidates access to voter lists, candidate training and to the state party staff to answer questions, Williams said.

“He is barred from any of those forms of assistance,” said Williams. “We are exploring further sanctions against him.

Which proves it can be done.

96 windsagio  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 2:44:30pm

re: #93 Killgore Trout

Being unapologetic is always mindblowing, kidna >

97 Ojoe  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 2:45:04pm

re: #94 albusteve

Is that guy REALLY a Republican Candidate?

Time for a mass exodus to the Modern Whig PArty.

98 windsagio  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 2:45:22pm

re: #97 Ojoe

*pat* of course it is :)

99 Nimed  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 2:45:33pm

Hm… decisions.

Anchovies
Beef Pepperoni
Black Olives
Broccoli
French Garlic
Fresh Tomatoes
Green Peppers
Grilled Chicken
Ground Beef
Jalapeno
Meat Ball
Mushrooms
Onions
Pineapple
Ricotta
Spinach
Turkey Sausage
X-Mozzarella

100 Ojoe  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 2:45:52pm

re: #95 wrenchwench

Thank God for small favors.

101 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 2:46:08pm

re: #83 Killgore Trout

If only the Abenaki had maintained secure borders…

102 albusteve  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 2:46:12pm

re: #95 wrenchwench

At least the local Republicans have refudiated him.

Which proves it can be done.

of course it can be done, which is why Steele oughta be pounding the pavement looking for a job

103 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 2:46:14pm

re: #97 Ojoe

Is that guy REALLY a Republican Candidate?

Time for a mass exodus to the Modern Whig PArty.

And what leader do they have on the national scene that sees us all as Americans?

104 Ojoe  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 2:46:20pm

re: #98 windsagio

See you there

LOL

105 Ojoe  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 2:46:59pm

re: #103 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

They really aren’t on the national scene, too bad so far.

106 harrisam  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 2:47:03pm

re: #75 garhighway

None of them violently attacked & killed Americans just because they were Americans

107 windsagio  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 2:47:11pm

re: #104 Ojoe

Yeah sorry ‘bout that, post didn’t come out quite as I meant it too.

So apologies, again.

108 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 2:47:16pm

re: #99 Nimed

Hm… decisions.

Anchovies
Beef Pepperoni
Black Olives
Broccoli
French Garlic
Fresh Tomatoes
Green Peppers
Grilled Chicken
Ground Beef
Jalapeno
Meat Ball
Mushrooms
Onions
Pineapple
Ricotta
Spinach
Turkey Sausage
X-Mozzarella

Easy enough

109 Ojoe  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 2:47:52pm

re: #108 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

What no anchovies?

BBL

110 albusteve  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 2:48:04pm

re: #106 harrisam

None of them violently attacked & killed Americans just because they were Americans

you miss the point….intentionally I think

111 Summer Seale  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 2:48:32pm

I have to come clean on this issue because I don’t think I’ve made my own particular view known before. And, as everyone knows here, I can be fairly contrarian at times. But in such cases, I have to explain my position.

So, here I go.

As an anti-theist, I would be really happy if there was one less house of any kind of worship in the world today. I know this doesn’t really jive with most Americans, but there you have it. So, I’m not going to be one to hugely vocalize in favor of this building anyway, as I just think it’s childish to worship things in the sky as it is.

However, a few things which put me squarely on the side of this blog’s position:

1) The guy running this place is a Sufi Muslim. Sufis are basically mystics. They’re generally about as un-fundamentalist as you can get in Islam. He’s about the ideal of a “moderate Muslim” poster child as you can get. Being an anti-theist is one thing, but being is a realist is another. I’m against any religion growing right now, but I’ll take what I can get. Sufism is by far preferable over Wahabbism any day of the week to me.

2) The leaders opposing this mosque are vermin. That point alone is enough for me to side against them.

3) Finally, this is America and I am a supporter of freedom of expression (within limits). This clearly falls within that category. It isn’t some burka-in-your-face kind of case where extremism meets every day society with some sort of overtly fascistic agenda. It’s a cultural center run by a Mystic who isn’t an enemy of the state. So why not allow him the same rights we allow everyone else?

I’ll debate them on whether or not their God, or any God, exists - that’s fine. But I won’t be party to taking away the right for that debate even take place. These are not fanatics we are talking about who want to take over the country and the world with an open agenda of hatred and, quite frankly, the fact that they are opposed as if they were just goes to show people how downright fucking ignorant the opposition is about anything to do with Islam in general.

Sufis aren’t the major problem in this world, and even were they Salafis it would be hard to justify restricting their rights over other religions.

So while not a fan of any more worship centers, I can’t really oppose it. And the opposition forces me (somewhat reluctantly) to support it.

At least I have what people can call “morals” and “ethics” - granted to me without any direct intervention from a higher power or “holy book”, might I point out.

Thank you. =)

112 wrenchwench  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 2:49:37pm

re: #106 harrisam

You’re not going to win this.

113 garhighway  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 2:50:04pm

re: #106 harrisam

None of them violently attacked & killed Americans just because they were Americans

I guess I missed that exclusion in the Constitution. Where exactly is it?

114 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 2:51:35pm

re: #113 garhighway

I guess I missed that exclusion in the Constitution. Where exactly is it?

Right under the part declaring the US a pure white christian nation.

115 garhighway  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 2:51:39pm

re: #111 Summer

I have to come clean on this issue because I don’t think I’ve made my own particular view known before. And, as everyone knows here, I can be fairly contrarian at times. But in such cases, I have to explain my position.

So, here I go.

As an anti-theist, I would be really happy if there was one less house of any kind of worship in the world today. I know this doesn’t really jive with most Americans, but there you have it. So, I’m not going to be one to hugely vocalize in favor of this building anyway, as I just think it’s childish to worship things in the sky as it is.

However, a few things which put me squarely on the side of this blog’s position:

1) The guy running this place is a Sufi Muslim. Sufis are basically mystics. They’re generally about as un-fundamentalist as you can get in Islam. He’s about the ideal of a “moderate Muslim” poster child as you can get. Being an anti-theist is one thing, but being is a realist is another. I’m against any religion growing right now, but I’ll take what I can get. Sufism is by far preferable over Wahabbism any day of the week to me.

2) The leaders opposing this mosque are vermin. That point alone is enough for me to side against them.

3) Finally, this is America and I am a supporter of freedom of expression (within limits). This clearly falls within that category. It isn’t some burka-in-your-face kind of case where extremism meets every day society with some sort of overtly fascistic agenda. It’s a cultural center run by a Mystic who isn’t an enemy of the state. So why not allow him the same rights we allow everyone else?

I’ll debate them on whether or not their God, or any God, exists - that’s fine. But I won’t be party to taking away the right for that debate even take place. These are not fanatics we are talking about who want to take over the country and the world with an open agenda of hatred and, quite frankly, the fact that they are opposed as if they were just goes to show people how downright fucking ignorant the opposition is about anything to do with Islam in general.

Sufis aren’t the major problem in this world, and even were they Salafis it would be hard to justify restricting their rights over other religions.

So while not a fan of any more worship centers, I can’t really oppose it. And the opposition forces me (somewhat reluctantly) to support it.

At least I have what people can call “morals” and “ethics” - granted to me without any direct intervention from a higher power or “holy book”, might I point out.

Thank you. =)

Summer: I’m with you. I am no fan of organized religion. I belong to no church. But getting into picking favored and disfavored churches is such an obviously bad path that I remain astonished that anyone wants to go there.

116 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 2:53:08pm

re: #106 harrisam

None of them violently attacked & killed Americans just because they were Americans

I’m pretty sure none of the Muslims involved in the Cordoba House have killed anyone.

It’s amazing how the same people who scream constantly about their constitutional rights are so quick to demand stripping away the constitutional rights of others.

117 albusteve  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 2:54:42pm


White House shifts Afghanistan strategy towards talks with Taliban

Senior Washington officials tell the Guardian of a ‘change of mindset’ over the Obama administration’s Afghanistan policy

talk to the Taliban?….hahahaha!
about what? burning school girls alive?

[Link: www.guardian.co.uk…]

118 brennant  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 2:55:42pm

re: #116 Charles

It’s amazing how the same people who scream constantly about their constitutional rights are so quick to demand stripping away the constitutional rights of others.

That is what I have a hard time understanding… These jackasses scream about freedom on one hand, while the other is busy trying to block freedoms of others. I don’t get it.

119 Eclectic Infidel  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 2:56:12pm

re: #83 Killgore Trout

I wonder about racial identity…while I understand that it boils down to skin color, what about the cultural identity? I mean, is it all about who has the most white skin or does it necessarily include things like having the “right” religious faith as well? The more people I meet and interact with, the more I realize that skin color (or however you wish to define it) is the least important aspect of any given person - but it can be an issue too, given the right circumstance.

120 albusteve  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 2:57:13pm

re: #118 brennant

That is what I have a hard time understanding… These jackasses scream about freedom on one hand, while the other is busy trying to block freedoms of others. I don’t get it.

nothing to get…it is what it is
potato heads…stick some new little plastic features in them, and they become someone else

121 albusteve  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 2:58:49pm

re: #119 eclectic infidel

I wonder about racial identity…while I understand that it boils down to skin color, what about the cultural identity? I mean, is it all about who has the most white skin or does it necessarily include things like having the “right” religious faith as well? The more people I meet and interact with, the more I realize that skin color (or however you wish to define it) is the least important aspect of any given person - but it can be an issue too, given the right circumstance.

skin color first…followed by religious affiliation
one step at a time comrade

122 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 2:59:18pm

re: #117 albusteve


White House shifts Afghanistan strategy towards talks with Taliban

Senior Washington officials tell the Guardian of a ‘change of mindset’ over the Obama administration’s Afghanistan policy

talk to the Taliban?…hahahaha!
about what? burning school girls alive?

[Link: www.guardian.co.uk…]

Barring a major offensive that would garned little support at home or abroad, its what we’re going to be stuck with. Best case scenario, we find a few warlords who just want to lord over their local fiefdoms and are willing to sellout and help us exterminate the rest of their hardliners.

123 albusteve  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 2:59:32pm

101deg in ABQ and rising….again

124 HoosierHoops  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 2:59:40pm

Well that was the end of the Beck show..He says he thinks he is going blind in the next year…He showed a clip of him crying on stage because..He could never read again…It was pretty touching…
You know Glenn I have called you a clown from the rooftops..But I pray you never go Blind…I hope you are not cursed with no sight in the future…
Be well Glenn

125 McSpiff  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:00:03pm

Well, the Tea Party Express expulsion was just covered on Canada’s CBC Radio. Coast to Coast the Tea Partiers sounded like idiots.

126 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:00:33pm

re: #106 harrisam

None of them violently attacked & killed Americans just because they were Americans

Dude. People have killed Americans in the name of every crazy you can imagine. You really want to outlaw Islam? Yeesh. I have a few things on my to-do list today, but “become more like Saudi Arabia” wasn’t one of them…

127 albusteve  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:00:47pm

re: #122 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Barring a major offensive that would garned little support at home or abroad, its what we’re going to be stuck with. Best case scenario, we find a few warlords who just want to lord over their local fiefdoms and are willing to sellout and help us exterminate the rest of their hardliners.

yes, create more turmoil in the name of political expediency…
we will not win this one bro…the writing is on the wall

128 brennant  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:00:50pm

re: #124 HoosierHoops

He’s a nut, but doesn’t deserve to be blind.

129 albusteve  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:01:27pm

re: #124 HoosierHoops

Well that was the end of the Beck show..He says he thinks he is going blind in the next year…He showed a clip of him crying on stage because..He could never read again…It was pretty touching…
You know Glenn I have called you a clown from the rooftops..But I pray you never go Blind…I hope you are not cursed with no sight in the future…
Be well Glenn

what a shame…send money

130 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:02:03pm

re: #128 brennant

He’s a nut, but doesn’t deserve to be blind.

Agreed. Would chronic laryngitis be to much?

131 darthstar  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:02:24pm

re: #124 HoosierHoops

Well that was the end of the Beck show..He says he thinks he is going blind in the next year…He showed a clip of him crying on stage because..He could never read again…It was pretty touching…
You know Glenn I have called you a clown from the rooftops..But I pray you never go Blind…I hope you are not cursed with no sight in the future…
Be well Glenn

He’s not going blind. He just doesn’t see the same number of people tuning in to see his show anymore. That’s not blindness, it’s called a drop in audience.

132 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:02:39pm

re: #111 Summer

not a lot of atheist soup kitchens out there…we can demand high standards and behavior from our religions without papering over the immense amount of good they’ve done in this country.

133 darthstar  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:03:22pm

re: #130 Decatur Deb

Agreed. Would chronic laryngitis be to much?

I’d settle for festering boils on his ass.

134 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:04:05pm

re: #132 Aceofwhat?

not a lot of atheist soup kitchens out there…we can demand high standards and behavior from our religions without papering over the immense amount of good they’ve done in this country.

When I vote to extend WIC, I like to think of it as my agnostic soup kitchen.

135 researchok  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:04:09pm

CJ as ‘some enterprising soul’.

There is a certain poetic beauty and restraint to a classical English education.

136 albusteve  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:04:14pm

re: #133 darthstar

I’d settle for festering boils on his ass.

wearing your cruel shoes today?

137 McSpiff  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:04:32pm

re: #132 Aceofwhat?

not a lot of atheist soup kitchens out there…we can demand high standards and behavior from our religions without papering over the immense amount of good they’ve done in this country.

Isn’t the United Way secular?

138 Lidane  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:05:13pm

re: #115 garhighway

Summer: I’m with you. I am no fan of organized religion. I belong to no church. But getting into picking favored and disfavored churches is such an obviously bad path that I remain astonished that anyone wants to go there.

Same here. I’m not big on organized religion. I don’t belong to a church or believe in a deity. The closest I get to any sort of spirituality is the time I spend meditating. I’m still in favor of the Cordoba House just because I think getting into the whole argument of which religions get to build and which ones don’t is just a minefield. It’s not worth it, IMO.

139 albusteve  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:05:21pm

re: #137 McSpiff

Isn’t the United Way secular?

a spinoff from the church of the NFL

140 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:05:27pm

re: #134 Decatur Deb

When I vote to extend WIC, I like to think of it as my agnostic soup kitchen.

being charitable with tax dollars < being charitable with one’s own time and money for the sake of helping people in need. just sayin’…

141 Renaissance_Man  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:05:33pm

re: #124 HoosierHoops

Well that was the end of the Beck show..He says he thinks he is going blind in the next year…He showed a clip of him crying on stage because..He could never read again…It was pretty touching…
You know Glenn I have called you a clown from the rooftops..But I pray you never go Blind…I hope you are not cursed with no sight in the future…
Be well Glenn

It’s always vaguely cute when televangelists dabble in medicine.

142 freetoken  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:06:00pm

Heh, it’s that time of the year, alrady!

Retailers’ early Christmas push

Christmas is a key season for merchants so many believe it’s best to get shoppers to think about gift buying early. Even in July.

I’ll go searching for some music…

143 albusteve  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:06:24pm

re: #138 Lidane

Same here. I’m not big on organized religion. I don’t belong to a church or believe in a deity. The closest I get to any sort of spirituality is the time I spend meditating. I’m still in favor of the Cordoba House just because I think getting into the whole argument of which religions get to build and which ones don’t is just a minefield. It’s not worth it, IMO.

it doesn’t matter what the debate is about…it’s the law, it must be built

144 darthstar  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:06:26pm

re: #136 albusteve

wearing your cruel shoes today?

I know…not fair to boils.

145 Lidane  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:06:44pm

re: #116 Charles

They only recognize those rights for people like themselves. Anyone who doesn’t fit into their neat little world is an “other” and isn’t deemed worthy of those rights. =P

146 Eclectic Infidel  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:06:46pm

re: #124 HoosierHoops

Well that was the end of the Beck show..He says he thinks he is going blind in the next year…He showed a clip of him crying on stage because..He could never read again…It was pretty touching…
You know Glenn I have called you a clown from the rooftops..But I pray you never go Blind…I hope you are not cursed with no sight in the future…
Be well Glenn

I hope he doesn’t go blind either because I could easily see (no pun intended) Beck using his new found disability to promote his strange religious beliefs and becoming even more bizarre with his conspiracy theories.

147 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:07:07pm

re: #140 Aceofwhat?

being charitable with tax dollars < being charitable with one’s own time and money for the sake of helping people in need. just sayin’…

As long as I pay my share of taxes, it seems very much the same to me.

148 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:07:12pm

re: #137 McSpiff

Isn’t the United Way secular?

it may be now. it was started by church leaders.

149 windsagio  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:07:23pm

re: #137 McSpiff

Its not dedominational at all, but most of the charities it coordinates are religious.

Since ace made that comment I got curious, apparently saying there isn’t much in the way of atheist charities is a good way to piss people off. >>

150 windsagio  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:07:57pm

re: #140 Aceofwhat?

doesn’t matter to the people in need probably :)

151 McSpiff  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:08:27pm

re: #148 Aceofwhat?

it may be now. it was started by church leaders.

Fair enough, I know the Canadian United Way tends to do a lot under its own ‘brand’ in what seems to be a very secular way.

152 Nimed  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:08:53pm

re: #108 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Easy enough

:) It is already decided. will be pepperoni, black olives and japaleno!

153 windsagio  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:09:00pm

re: #151 McSpiff

per wiki, its more of a clearing house, they’ll help anybody that doesn’t discriminate.

154 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:09:24pm

re: #150 windsagio

doesn’t matter to the people in need probably :)

Hm.
People in need are going to want WIC for nutrition needs.
But for those Christian people in need, come Christmastime, they’re going to want the extras provided by churches. WIC doesn’t provide Christmas presents for the kids.

155 garhighway  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:10:00pm

From The American President:

America isn’t easy. America is advanced citizenship. You gotta want it bad, ‘cause it’s gonna put up a fight. It’s gonna say “You want free speech? Let’s see you acknowledge a man whose words make your blood boil, who’s standing center stage and advocating at the top of his lungs that which you would spend a lifetime opposing at the top of yours. You want to claim this land as the land of the free? Then the symbol of your country can’t just be a flag; the symbol also has to be one of its citizens exercising his right to burn that flag in protest. Show me that, defend that, celebrate that in your classrooms. Then, you can stand up and sing about the “land of the free”.

Some don’t get that. They think it is just for those who think and believe as they do.

156 windsagio  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:10:20pm

re: #154 reine.de.tout

True! Not saying WIC is ‘enough’ or anything, but rather that need is need, and the first goal should be meeting those needs.

I’m guessing that’s not exactly controversial tho ;)

157 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:11:17pm

re: #156 windsagio

True! Not saying WIC is ‘enough’ or anything, but rather that need is need, and the first goal should be meeting those needs.

I’m guessing that’s not exactly controversial tho ;)

It is in RandyLand.

158 Lidane  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:11:33pm

re: #143 albusteve

I don’t have a problem with it being built anyway. It’s no skin off my back. In fact, I think it has its positives, since, as a community center for everyone it will allow people to draw clear distinctions between the more mainstream American Muslim population and the fanatics that flew planes into buildings.

The right-wing opposition to this is just silly, IMO. I think the community center goes a long way towards healing instead of reopening old wounds.

159 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:11:35pm

re: #147 Decatur Deb

As long as I pay my share of taxes, it seems very much the same to me.

you’re going to pay them anyway…it’s not the same at all. donating the government’s money is a lot easier than donating one’s own. i’m talking about charity above and beyond taxes.

although you illustrate a very compelling point, on a large scale, about politics and taxation. generally speaking, across developed nations, private charitable giving is inversely related to tax rates.

160 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:11:38pm

re: #156 windsagio

True! Not saying WIC is ‘enough’ or anything, but rather that need is need, and the first goal should be meeting those needs.

I’m guessing that’s not exactly controversial tho ;)

No, it isn’t.

But there are lots of extras provided to people in need through church congregations; and I think it’s unseemly to denigrate what church congregations are able to provide in supplement to government programs.

161 windsagio  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:11:41pm

re: #157 Decatur Deb

To be frank, I don’t even know what that means.

Whose’ randy?

162 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:12:33pm

re: #161 windsagio

To be frank, I don’t even know what that means.

Whose’ randy?

St. Ayn.

163 windsagio  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:12:53pm

re: #160 reine.de.tout

That was absolutely not my intention.

I wanted to rather say that the church contributions are also not inherently superior, at least from the POV of the people who are getting help.

… Well I guess they’re superior in the sense that there’s alot more available :)

164 windsagio  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:13:05pm

re: #162 Decatur Deb

Oh christ, I feel dumb now!

165 HoosierHoops  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:13:19pm

re: #146 eclectic infidel

I hope he doesn’t go blind either because I could easily see (no pun intended) Beck using his new found disability to promote his strange religious beliefs and becoming even more bizarre with his conspiracy theories.

If we strike him down he will rise more powerful than before!
But to your point..Doesn’t Beck seem to be the perfect TV preacher except he talks about God and Religion in the same breathless sentence…
I mean he is like a Jim Baker on political steroids.. Praise Jesus! Glenn is going to save America from the Commies..
/Where have I heard that before?

166 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:13:23pm

re: #140 Aceofwhat?

being charitable with tax dollars < being charitable with one’s own time and money for the sake of helping people in need. just sayin’…

It doesn’t matter to the beneficiaries of charity.

Food is food.

167 windsagio  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:13:44pm

re: #159 Aceofwhat?


although you illustrate a very compelling point, on a large scale, about politics and taxation. generally speaking, across developed nations, private charitable giving is inversely related to tax rates.

I’d like to see that supported with evidence :)

168 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:13:45pm

re: #149 windsagio

Its not dedominational at all, but most of the charities it coordinates are religious.

Since ace made that comment I got curious, apparently saying there isn’t much in the way of atheist charities is a good way to piss people off. >>

heh. don’t make me use data to remind you how charity is highly correlated with religion. i’m not saying that there are NO atheist charities, of course. i’m just saying that it’s easy to forget just how much good religious organizations have done in our country.

169 Gus  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:13:56pm

re: #142 freetoken

Heh, it’s that time of the year, alrady!

Retailers’ early Christmas push

I’ll go searching for some music…

Article reads like a PR news release. Otherwise it’s just a sales stunt. Get people to start buying junk in July to give away in December. That is the people that have any money or a foolish enough to buy it on credit.

170 windsagio  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:14:12pm

re: #166 Fozzie Bear

Altho in fairness it DOES matter to the people giving.

Giving to others is good for you ;)

171 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:14:33pm

re: #160 reine.de.tout

No, it isn’t.

But there are lots of extras provided to people in need through church congregations; and I think it’s unseemly to denigrate what church congregations are able to provide in supplement to government programs.

I wouldn’t denigrate them. I even take my hard hat off when the Habitat leaders offer a prayer.

172 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:14:45pm

re: #170 windsagio

Altho in fairness it DOES matter to the people giving.

Giving to others is good for you ;)

That’s fine. And there’s nothing about WIC that prevents that.

173 windsagio  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:15:18pm

re: #168 Aceofwhat?

heh. don’t make me use data to remind you how charity is highly correlated with religion. i’m not saying that there are NO atheist charities, of course. i’m just saying that it’s easy to forget just how much good religious organizations have done in our country.

to be honest, methinks they doth protest too much :)

notice in some of the links there are alot of lines like “I consider any charity not tied to any religion as atheist’.

I actually secretly agree with you, just was funny to realize what a sore point it apparently is :)

174 McSpiff  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:15:20pm

re: #154 reine.de.tout

A lot of those extras also tend to be provided by unionized companies it seems like as well. The 5 local student unions, Canada Post, and the public transit system all run what seem to be the largest toy + Christmas dinner drives.

175 windsagio  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:15:38pm

re: #172 Fozzie Bear

That’s fine. And there’s nothing about WIC that prevents that.

Absolutely! That’s my point exactly!

176 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:16:15pm

re: #171 Decatur Deb

I wouldn’t denigrate them. I even take my hard hat off when the Habitat leaders offer a prayer.

I take it as a moment of silence, pondering whatever there is to ponder at the time.

177 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:16:30pm

re: #150 windsagio

doesn’t matter to the people in need probably :)

i know that you meant that lightly, and i appreciate the light tone. so without getting too serious, i do think that there’s something far more personal to receiving something from a stranger who is giving it to you out of a spirit of love and kindness than receiving it from a cold government agency.

charities can never fully replace government assistance, of course, but at the same time…i think that we lose something when government assistance replaces charity. just being sentimental;)

178 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:16:57pm

re: #170 windsagio

Altho in fairness it DOES matter to the people giving.

Giving to others is good for you ;)

Yes! So true. requoted for emphasis.

179 windsagio  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:17:25pm

re: #177 Aceofwhat?

I think we can agree that both are useful and build on each other, and that the needy (whatever that actually means :p) would be much worse off if either were gone :D

180 HoosierHoops  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:17:33pm

re: #177 Aceofwhat?

i know that you meant that lightly, and i appreciate the light tone. so without getting too serious, i do think that there’s something far more personal to receiving something from a stranger who is giving it to you out of a spirit of love and kindness than receiving it from a cold government agency.

charities can never fully replace government assistance, of course, but at the same time…i think that we lose something when government assistance replaces charity. just being sentimental;)

Excellent post

181 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:18:01pm

re: #167 windsagio

I’d like to see that supported with evidence :)

really? i’ll get a quick link for you if you haven’t seen the data yet.

182 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:18:15pm

Ok, quick random informational need:

A loaf of french bread, buttered and garlic’ed up. Electric convection oven.

What temp?

183 windsagio  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:18:29pm

re: #181 Aceofwhat?

Please do! But also please include proof of causation :)

184 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:19:04pm

re: #179 windsagio

I think we can agree that both are useful and build on each other, and that the needy (whatever that actually means :p) would be much worse off if either were gone :D

we can indeed agree on that-

185 Macha  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:19:15pm

DSL is giving me fits and the doorbell and phone are trying to outring each other.

BBL

186 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:19:44pm

The thing that’s especially irritating about this “Ground Zero mosque” idiocy is that there actually are a few Islamist organizations in the US that deserve criticism for a hidden extremist agenda. Sometimes not even very hidden.

The fools who rant about the Cordoba House — which is one of the best examples of a real moderate Muslim group I’ve seen — are delegitimizing all criticism of the real Islamist groups, and making it very easy to paint anyone who raises objections for REAL reasons as being just as crazy as Spencer and Geller and their followers.

In a weird self-defeating way, the Bigot Brigade actually makes it easier for the real Islamists to avoid detection.

187 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:19:56pm

re: #182 Fozzie Bear

Ok, quick random informational need:

A loaf of french bread, buttered and garlic’ed up. Electric convection oven.

What temp?

300, wrapped in foil, maybe 5-10 minutes

188 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:20:11pm

re: #187 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

300, wrapped in foil, maybe 5-10 minutes

yay ty

189 windsagio  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:21:01pm

re: #186 Charles


In a weird self-defeating way, the Bigot Brigade actually makes it easier for the real Islamists to avoid detection.

They’re also giving PR to the other groups, making it possible for people to say ‘look they really are the Great Satan! They hate us for our God!’

190 HoosierHoops  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:21:40pm

re: #186 Charles

Major Ironic Charles!

191 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:21:55pm

I’m a shitty cook, but working on it.

When i’m not so fucking poor, i’ll be buying a cookbook from here.

192 albusteve  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:22:35pm

re: #182 Fozzie Bear

Ok, quick random informational need:

A loaf of french bread, buttered and garlic’ed up. Electric convection oven.

What temp?

experiment Einstein….you’ll figure it out, start at 350

193 Gus  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:24:10pm

re: #186 Charles

The thing that’s especially irritating about this “Ground Zero mosque” idiocy is that there actually are a few Islamist organizations in the US that deserve criticism for a hidden extremist agenda. Sometimes not even very hidden.

The fools who rant about the Cordoba House — which is one of the best examples of a real moderate Muslim group I’ve seen — are delegitimizing all criticism of the real Islamist groups, and making it very easy to paint anyone who raises objections for REAL reasons as being just as crazy as Spencer and Geller and their followers.

In a weird self-defeating way, the Bigot Brigade actually makes it easier for the real Islamists to avoid detection.

Another thing it’s doing is delegitimizing moderate Mulsims and groups. Where is incentive if the response will by a high pitched hysterical shrill? No matter what they do, even if they’re moderate, the pitch forked crowds will go out of their way to evaluate the persons background and manufacture controversy even when there is none. They’ll even go as far as constantly saying “we don’t really know about this person” which is tantamount to saying “all Muslims are guilty until proven innocent.”

194 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:24:33pm

re: #186 Charles

Not only that, but the Cordoba House is an organization that claims to want to advance a moderate view of Islam. In attacking it, we further reinforce the prejudices and anger of more extreme flavors of Islam. When we shit on the Sufis, does anybody really believe that this won’t push some moderate Muslims further from a position of acceptance of the western world, and closer to the arms of extremist groups?

195 HoosierHoops  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:25:11pm

re: #191 Fozzie Bear

I’m a shitty cook, but working on it.

When i’m not so fucking poor, i’ll be buying a cookbook from here.

Marry a smoking Hot Amish woman! She can cook like crazy and it doesn’t matter to her how much money you have…I mean you don’t even need electricity! Brother Bear..

196 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:25:22pm

With Sketchpads and Guns, Semper Fi

ON a glorious summer morning a few weeks ago two United States Marines — one an active-duty reservist, one recently retired — paced around a light-filled warehouse on the Marine Corps base here, talking shop.

“Somebody who just knocks our socks off is Gerhard Richter,” said Michael D. Fay, a chief warrant officer before he left the corps last year. “We also love Basquiat.”

“When you talk about Basquiat, you run the risk of sounding like a paternalistic white guy,” pointed out his colleague Kristopher J. Battles, a sergeant who looks like he stepped out of a Norman Rockwell painting. But he couldn’t help enthusing, “There’s something intense and neo-expressionistic about him.”

Mr. Fay averred, “We know when something’s visually authentic.”

Not your everyday exchange at Quantico perhaps. But one in keeping with the mission these men have dedicated themselves to for the last several years: the Marine Corps combat art program, for which both have worked as artists, recording the experiences of their fellow Marines.

“We’re not here to do poster art or recruiting posters,” Sergeant Battles, 42, said. “What we are sent to do is to go to the experience, see what is really there and document it — as artists.”

The program is not the only one of its kind in the United States military, but many regard it as the one most deeply committed to its artistic mission. Like those in the other services, it began after the attack on Pearl Harbor and scaled back after Vietnam. Somewhat unusually, however, it has kept at least one artist in the reserves ready to deploy. And while most of the services have reactivated their art programs since the start of the Bush administration’s “global war on terror,” the Marine Corps’s has been the only one to cover most of the major conflicts.

Which helps explain why some of its supporters — most vocally Mr. Fay — are expressing concern about its future now that the program, which at its height in World War II had more than 70 artists, is down to just one full-time member, Sergeant Battles.

197 windsagio  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:25:34pm

re: #194 Fozzie Bear

All Muslims are the same, they all hate our freedom.

Where were you when the towers fell?!?!

198 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:26:05pm

re: #195 HoosierHoops

Marry a smoking Hot Amish woman! She can cook like crazy and it doesn’t matter to her how much money you have…I mean you don’t even need electricity! Brother Bear..

plus fresh churned butter and quilts!

199 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:26:08pm

re: #195 HoosierHoops

Kelli McGillis?

mmmm

200 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:26:16pm

re: #186 Charles

The thing that’s especially irritating about this “Ground Zero mosque” idiocy is that there actually are a few Islamist organizations in the US that deserve criticism for a hidden extremist agenda. Sometimes not even very hidden.

The fools who rant about the Cordoba House — which is one of the best examples of a real moderate Muslim group I’ve seen — are delegitimizing all criticism of the real Islamist groups, and making it very easy to paint anyone who raises objections for REAL reasons as being just as crazy as Spencer and Geller and their followers.

In a weird self-defeating way, the Bigot Brigade actually makes it easier for the real Islamists to avoid detection.

No… in a very real, calculated way, this allows Spencer and Geller go right to the source of their hatreds, Islam in general.

201 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:26:22pm

re: #195 HoosierHoops

Marry a smoking Hot Amish woman! She can cook like crazy and it doesn’t matter to her how much money you have…I mean you don’t even need electricity! Brother Bear..

Someday the makers of “Witness” will answer for their sins.

202 Gus  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:26:27pm

re: #197 windsagio

All Muslims are the same, they all hate our freedom.

Where were you when the towers fell?!?!

Eleven-Tea!

203 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:27:29pm

re: #198 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

plus fresh churned butter and quilts!

And Blues Traveller will play at your wedding.

204 windsagio  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:28:00pm

re: #200 Walter L. Newton

So you’re of the ‘they’re cynical bastards exploiting hate’ school, and not the ‘they’re effing lunatics who are ruled by hate’ school?

I tend to flip-flop myself ;)

205 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:28:05pm

re: #166 Fozzie Bear

It doesn’t matter to the beneficiaries of charity.

Food is food.

Churches don’t just provide food.
Churches also provide a lot of extras at different times of the year - beginning of the school year, my church will provide school supplies to groups of students.
Christmas - Christmas gifts for families that cannot afford it.
Summer time - funding for summer camps.

Good grief. The gov’t provides the food. Church congregations provide those oh-so-nice but unnecessary for basic survival, extras.

206 brennant  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:28:15pm

re: #201 Decatur Deb

Someday the makers of “Witness” will answer for their sins.

lol > I need a Gallagher-sized tarp to cover my laptop so I won’t spray Diet Coke all over my screen. Thanks for the chuckle.

207 wrenchwench  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:28:46pm
Peaceful Muslims, pls refudiate

I can haz rotaytin tytel?

208 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:29:25pm

re: #174 McSpiff

A lot of those extras also tend to be provided by unionized companies it seems like as well. The 5 local student unions, Canada Post, and the public transit system all run what seem to be the largest toy + Christmas dinner drives.

Yes, we used to do this at work as well. Provide a full meal with all the trimmings at Thanksgiving, and the gifts and the meal at Christmas, to a family in need.
But we could afford ONE. My church can provide for hundreds.

209 HoosierHoops  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:29:46pm

re: #199 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Kelli McGillis?

mmm

I still can’t believe how much her and Tom Cruise fought on set during Top Gun..They hated each other..
The Love scenes must have been classic on set..

210 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:30:08pm

re: #208 reine.de.tout

Yes, we used to do this at work as well. Provide a full meal with all the trimmings at Thanksgiving, and the gifts and the meal at Christmas, to a family in need.
But we could afford ONE. My church can provide for hundreds.

AND, we weren’t even unionized! Just reg’lar folks

211 windsagio  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:30:15pm

re: #206 brennant

lol > I need a Gallagher-sized tarp to cover my laptop so I won’t spray Diet Coke all over my screen. Thanks for the chuckle.

I am most pleased! The greater than sign’s infiltration has increased!!!

>>

212 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:30:45pm

re: #204 windsagio

So you’re of the ‘they’re cynical bastards exploiting hate’ school, and not the ‘they’re effing lunatics who are ruled by hate’ school?

I tend to flip-flop myself ;)

I’m not sure what you are talking about.

213 McSpiff  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:32:19pm

re: #208 reine.de.tout

Yes, we used to do this at work as well. Provide a full meal with all the trimmings at Thanksgiving, and the gifts and the meal at Christmas, to a family in need.
But we could afford ONE. My church can provide for hundreds.

Good for you guys! Seriously, its one of the most rewarding things you can do. My point wasn’t even about unions (look at the awesome amount of charity work fedex does, especially in getting aid to where it needs to be). Just that Church vs. Government is a totally false dichotomy.

214 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:32:49pm

OT … There’s a lot of bitchin’ going on about the number of parties that the Obama’s have.

I’ll bet you that every big name who wants to play there, won’t get to because of time constraints. I’m guessing the line is pretty long of “stars” (for lack of a better word) wanting to perform for the Obamas.

Hell, I’m guessing Madonna’s willing to baby-sit the girls, just to hang out with them.

I’m just sayin’.

215 windsagio  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:33:00pm

re: #212 Walter L. Newton

Killjoy.

Anyways SUns finally out so I’m off to get some food.

L8ter H8ers!

216 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:34:12pm

re: #214 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

OT … There’s a lot of bitchin’ going on about the number of parties that the Obama’s have.

I’ll bet you that every big name who wants to play there, won’t get to because of time constraints. I’m guessing the line is pretty long of “stars” (for lack of a better word) wanting to perform for the Obamas.

Hell, I’m guessing Madonna’s willing to baby-sit the girls, just to hang out with them.

I’m just sayin’.

I’d mow their lawn just to get a chance to talk to him.

217 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:35:04pm

re: #214 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

OT … There’s a lot of bitchin’ going on about the number of parties that the Obama’s have.

I’ll bet you that every big name who wants to play there, won’t get to because of time constraints. I’m guessing the line is pretty long of “stars” (for lack of a better word) wanting to perform for the Obamas.

Hell, I’m guessing Madonna’s willing to baby-sit the girls, just to hang out with them.

I’m just sayin’.

I’m guessing about 7/8ths of any POTUS’ parties are work.

218 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:35:24pm

re: #213 McSpiff

Good for you guys! Seriously, its one of the most rewarding things you can do. My point wasn’t even about unions (look at the awesome amount of charity work fedex does, especially in getting aid to where it needs to be). Just that Church vs. Government is a totally false dichotomy.

No dichotomy here. I only wanted to point out that the “anti-theists” are as welcome to their beliefs as the rest of us, but slightly less welcome to gloss over all of the good that has been done in the name of a deity.

219 albusteve  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:35:29pm

re: #212 Walter L. Newton

I’m not sure what you are talking about.

haha!…I know what you mean, refusal to use the quote button….must be some sort of uncoolness to use it

220 researchok  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:36:35pm

re: #186 Charles

The thing that’s especially irritating about this “Ground Zero mosque” idiocy is that there actually are a few Islamist organizations in the US that deserve criticism for a hidden extremist agenda. Sometimes not even very hidden.

The fools who rant about the Cordoba House — which is one of the best examples of a real moderate Muslim group I’ve seen — are delegitimizing all criticism of the real Islamist groups, and making it very easy to paint anyone who raises objections for REAL reasons as being just as crazy as Spencer and Geller and their followers.

In a weird self-defeating way, the Bigot Brigade actually makes it easier for the real Islamists to avoid detection.


Let’s presume there may be some underlying nefarious component to Cordoba House.

The project is being built in NYC, a stones throw from the site of the 9/11 tragedy. Millions of New Yorkers are (justifiably) hyper sensitive about the event and will no doubt be that way for decades. Unlike past historical events, this was seen live and in real time by hundreds of millions of people.

Does anyone really believe that kind of environment will prove fertile ground for a hidden radical Islamist agenda? Does anyone believe that at the slightest provocation millions of New Yorkers will not come out and hold Cordoba House to account?

Let’s say Cordoba House really does want to change the way Americans regard Israel. Is NYC, with nations largest population of Jews an ideal place to start? Does anyone really believe that America will abandon Israel in favor of brutal societies that sponsor racism, hate and bigotry? Does anyone at Cordoba House really believe that America will embrace the political ideologies that call for genocide?

Cordoba House is a place where moderate Muslims can me, gather and pray without having to worry about radicals poisoning their beliefs and threatening their lives. If along the way they can get the message out that not all Muslims are racists and bigots they will have done a good thing.

221 albusteve  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:36:39pm

re: #214 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

OT … There’s a lot of bitchin’ going on about the number of parties that the Obama’s have.

I’ll bet you that every big name who wants to play there, won’t get to because of time constraints. I’m guessing the line is pretty long of “stars” (for lack of a better word) wanting to perform for the Obamas.

Hell, I’m guessing Madonna’s willing to baby-sit the girls, just to hang out with them.

I’m just sayin’.

he’s got to cram 8 years of partying into 4….understandable

222 windsagio  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:36:57pm

re: #216 Walter L. Newton

(Forgot to put some pants on, that was almost bad).

That’s a hell of a lawn too, I admire your dedication.

About the parties: I’m trying to hold a brush-cutting joke in. Mostly succeeding.

223 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:37:24pm

re: #221 albusteve

Okay, that was funny.

224 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:37:43pm

re: #221 albusteve

he’s got to cram 8 years of partying into 4…understandable

That depends entirely on who runs against him

225 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:37:50pm

re: #218 Aceofwhat?

No dichotomy here. I only wanted to point out that the “anti-theists” are as welcome to their beliefs as the rest of us, but slightly less welcome to gloss over all of the good that has been done in the name of a deity.

Wait… wait… wait… I was sort of busy with some other comments and my network connect was slow, so I was looking into that… you mean I missed my chance at being a radical atheist and dump all over organized religion for being charitable… shit…

226 McSpiff  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:38:37pm

re: #218 Aceofwhat?

No dichotomy here. I only wanted to point out that the “anti-theists” are as welcome to their beliefs as the rest of us, but slightly less welcome to gloss over all of the good that has been done in the name of a deity.

Not complaint about that here, as long as the inverse is acknowledged as well.

227 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:38:49pm

re: #222 windsagio

(Forgot to put some pants on, that was almost bad).

That’s a hell of a lawn too, I admire your dedication.

About the parties: I’m trying to hold a brush-cutting joke in. Mostly succeeding.

You wouldn’t admire what I would have to say to him :)

228 windsagio  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:38:52pm

re: #225 Walter L. Newton

I know rite? It could have been fun :)

I love the ‘atheist fight’ whenever it comes up!

229 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:38:53pm

re: #213 McSpiff

Good for you guys! Seriously, its one of the most rewarding things you can do. My point wasn’t even about unions (look at the awesome amount of charity work fedex does, especially in getting aid to where it needs to be). Just that Church vs. Government is a totally false dichotomy.

I can agree with that, but motive is different.
The got’v provides because we as a nation have decided we have certain obligations.
Churches provide because some members of the congregation have a desire to brighten a few lives.

230 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:38:54pm

re: #224 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

That depends entirely on who runs against him

Try to imagine a state dinner in the Palin administration.

231 windsagio  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:39:20pm

re: #227 Walter L. Newton

You wouldn’t admire what I would have to say to him :)

You don’t know that!

Anyways, I suspect you’d be remarkably civil :p

232 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:39:28pm

re: #225 Walter L. Newton

Wait… wait… wait… I was sort of busy with some other comments and my network connect was slow, so I was looking into that… you mean I missed my chance at being a radical atheist and dump all over organized religion for being charitable… shit…

yep…the conversation is past us now…you’ll have to try to hold it in until the next go-round.

233 albusteve  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:39:36pm

re: #224 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

That depends entirely on who runs against him

Palin will kick his ass all the way to Tucumcari

234 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:39:36pm

re: #218 Aceofwhat?

No dichotomy here. I only wanted to point out that the “anti-theists” are as welcome to their beliefs as the rest of us, but slightly less welcome to gloss over all of the good that has been done in the name of a deity.

Yes, thank you.

235 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:39:54pm

re: #209 HoosierHoops

I didn’t know about that.

Spielberg and Cruise were in VA for the filming of “Mars Attacks”, oh, I mean “War of the Worlds”.

They stopped in a Dairy Queen and IIRC left I life changing tip for a waitress.

Not a Tom fan (in general) but, that was cool.

236 windsagio  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:40:04pm

re: #224 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I still can’t imagine anyone on the radar (admittedly 2 years out) who has even a remote chance tho’, it’d have to be a freakin’ unknown.

237 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:40:10pm

re: #226 McSpiff

Not complaint about that here, as long as the inverse is acknowledged as well.

sure. absolutely. done!

238 Ebetty  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:40:20pm

re: #135 researchok

My former boss (as of today!) and now mentor/friend once dated an Englishman. She said his mind and his manner were the best she’d known. She once said his understated, nonverbal kindness “made every interaction feel like Odysseus’ homecoming” She has family friends over there that she praises routinely, she’s really into ancient history and philosophy, says the only people with enough of an education to discuss it intelligently have an English education. Must be something to it.

239 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:40:51pm

re: #229 reine.de.tout

I can agree with that, but motive is different.
The got’v provides because we as a nation have decided we have certain obligations.
Churches provide because some members of the congregation have a desire to brighten a few lives.

And businesses and unions, etc. - I should have said organizations provide out of a desire to brighten a few lives.

240 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:41:01pm

re: #230 Decatur Deb

Try to imagine a state dinner in the Palin administration.

Ted Nugent? Again?

241 McSpiff  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:41:13pm

re: #229 reine.de.tout

I can agree with that, but motive is different.
The got’v provides because we as a nation have decided we have certain obligations.
Churches provide because some members of the congregation have a desire to brighten a few lives.

You’re still missing my point. I agree the motive of government is different. But the motive of my secular, largely socialist student union (what? Its a university, don’t act shocked ;-)) is more like your church than the government.

242 windsagio  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:41:17pm

re: #238 Ebetty

got pants, so leaving, but STORY STORY!

(per:

My former boss (as of today!)


)

243 Ebetty  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:41:44pm

re: #230 Decatur Deb

I just hurled my lunch. Ick!

244 McSpiff  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:42:01pm

re: #239 reine.de.tout

And businesses and unions, etc. - I should have said organizations provide out of a desire to brighten a few lives.

Crap, didn’t see this one before i replied!

245 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:42:26pm

re: #238 Ebetty

My former boss (as of today!)…

errr…congratulations? i think?

246 brennant  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:42:42pm

re: #243 Ebetty

Yummy Elk state dinner, followed by shooting wolves from helicopers… epic.

247 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:43:01pm

re: #242 windsagio

dang…gmta

248 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:43:19pm

re: #7 Obdicut

She asked peace-loving Muslims to refudiate/repudiate/refuse/whatever the building of a Sufi community center in Manhattan, who’s imam is a 20+ year resident of the neighborhood.

She characterized as a stab to the heart. And to the heartland.

Yes, what she actually said was far more dangerous, bigoted, and irresponsible than the way she said it.

this forever

249 windsagio  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:43:47pm

re: #248 WindUpBird

WUB, getting some food but log into the IM of your choice, please

250 albusteve  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:43:49pm

re: #246 brennant

Yummy Elk state dinner, followed by shooting wolves from helicopers… epic.

so how else would you kill wolves?
any suggestions?

251 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:44:06pm

re: #235 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I didn’t know about that.

Spielberg and Cruise were in VA for the filming of “Mars Attacks”, oh, I mean “War of the Worlds”.

They stopped in a Dairy Queen and IIRC left I life changing tip for a waitress.

Not a Tom fan (in general) but, that was cool.

That was a great remake of the original.. I don’t know why so many people had a problem with that film… I think it was great and have watched it at least 5 times… the only problem with that story itself is the ending doesn’t lend itself to a movie style climax, so, the ending never will work on film unless someone changes the ending, which would be wrong… but other than the ending, I liked the movie, and Cruise in this case (normally don’t like him)… he came across as more of a helpless Joe, not the hero. I liked that portrayal, it made the movie so much more scary… helpless feeling, and not a stupid conclusion like saving the universe with an Apple lap top.

252 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:44:10pm

re: #246 brennant

Yummy Elk state dinner, followed by shooting wolves from helicopers… epic.

Bingo machine poetry.

253 windsagio  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:44:19pm

re: #250 albusteve

They’re actually reintroducing wolves around Mt. St. Helens now.

PS: I prefer a knife, more sporting!

254 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:44:34pm

re: #249 windsagio

WUB, getting some food but log into the IM of your choice, please

what, you can IM while getting food but not LGF? come ooon…

255 windsagio  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:45:02pm

re: #254 Aceofwhat?

Smartphone!

Also you might notice I can’t seem to actually drag myself away successfully ;)

256 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:45:22pm

re: #83 Killgore Trout

wow, they’re getting more and more empowered, aren’t they?

257 Ebetty  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:45:34pm

re: #242 windsagio

She walked away from her business today. Moving to the East Coast, taking off for Africa for six weeks in late fall. Had our morning meeting and she told me: “I’m done. Take the business.” Didn’t take a penny, paid herself nothing for the last six months. Just. Gave. Me. The. Business.

Signed the papers, did the banking, it’s signed sealed & delivered!

258 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:45:58pm

re: #254 Aceofwhat?

what, you can IM while getting food but not LGF? come ooon…

it’s a lot easier to text on a phone than surf :D

259 windsagio  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:46:03pm

re: #257 Ebetty

That’s freakin’ awesome!

Good luck on your new adventure :)

260 windsagio  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:46:15pm

re: #258 WindUpBird

Esp. LGF :p

261 albusteve  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:46:31pm

re: #253 windsagio

They’re actually reintroducing wolves around Mt. St. Helens now.

PS: I prefer a knife, more sporting!

you wouldn’t know a knife from a ping pong paddle….have you ever been outdoors?

262 Ebetty  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:46:34pm

re: #245 Aceofwhat?

Absolutely a congratulations-worthy day, it’s a “best-day-ever” thing.

263 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:46:44pm

re: #255 windsagio

Smartphone!

oh. right.

i’m not one to talk…i need to pry my ass off of the couch and go work out…that’s what i get for not stopping on the way home.

264 Nimed  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:46:48pm

re: #218 Aceofwhat?

No dichotomy here. I only wanted to point out that the “anti-theists” are as welcome to their beliefs as the rest of us, but slightly less welcome to gloss over all of the good that has been done in the name of a deity.

Anti-theists — they just try too hard.

265 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:46:51pm

re: #235 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Oops. I was wrong… Cruise left five thousand dollars in a collection jar for a sick kid.

266 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:47:18pm

re: #258 WindUpBird

it’s a lot easier to text on a phone than surf :D

yeah, i can’t argue with that…

267 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:47:48pm

re: #250 albusteve

so how else would you kill wolves?
any suggestions?

Nuke.

268 HoosierHoops  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:47:55pm

re: #262 Ebetty

Absolutely a congratulations-worthy day, it’s a “best-day-ever” thing.

Freaking awesome! I love reading that..Good Luck!

269 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:47:58pm

re: #251 Walter L. Newton

Dakota Fanning creeps me out.

270 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:48:05pm

re: #264 Nimed

Anti-theists — they just try too hard.

heh. well done. isn’t slacking one of the benefits of atheism, after all/

271 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:49:06pm

re: #257 Ebetty

Holy cow!
-Gandhi

272 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:49:16pm

re: #269 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Dakota Fanning creeps me out.

You didn’t know she’s 53 year old in that film, did you?

273 Ebetty  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:49:36pm

re: #259 windsagio

Thanks. It’s amazing. She’s amazing. All about good things. She’s been quiet and sad lately, I never asked why. She signed a book deal, so I am just wishing her good things. She deserves it. Gave me every client, intro’d me to everyone this morning. I’m hyped!

274 albusteve  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:49:44pm

re: #267 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Nuke.

Tactical Wolf Nukes
originated in Russia, and work like a dream…you kill the wolf AND eliminate any reason for it to be somewhere in the first place….a twofer

275 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:49:57pm

re: #250 albusteve

so how else would you kill wolves?
any suggestions?

it’s not the killing, it’s the catching…i’m with you - at least from a helicopter, you have to pull off a great shot. ambushing or trapping seems a lot less sporting, although it’s more carbon-friendly. hmmm. conflicting moralities…

276 windsagio  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:49:58pm

re: #261 albusteve

To brag again, I go to our Private lake and camp/hike a fair deal.

or just in general.

I actually love the outdoors, just not the desert so much, too *(�@$ dusty.

277 McSpiff  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:50:05pm

re: #270 Aceofwhat?

heh. well done. isn’t slacking one of the benefits of atheism, after all/

Na, we need to make this life matter. We only get one.

278 Nimed  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:50:06pm

re: #269 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Dakota Fanning creeps me out.

Yeah, the feeling will go away when she grows up.

(maybe “The Ring” would have been even more terrifying with Dakota Fanning)

279 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:50:13pm

re: #272 Walter L. Newton

Method acting’ll age ya!

280 windsagio  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:50:18pm

re: #266 Aceofwhat?

Just not while driving hopefully

281 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:50:46pm

re: #261 albusteve

you wouldn’t know a knife from a ping pong paddle…have you ever been outdoors?

ahahaha you’re talking to the wrong guy, he’s actually quite outdoorsy/eagle-scouty

*I* an the guy who stays indoors :D

282 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:51:08pm

re: #278 Nimed

I took my daughter to see “The Ring”. I wore a sleep mask all the way through the film. Didn’t watch a cel.

I hate scary movies. Daughter was 12.

283 Ebetty  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:51:26pm

re: #268 HoosierHoops

re: #271 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Big thanks!!!!

284 windsagio  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:51:30pm

re: #281 WindUpBird

I’m still curious to see if you can handle Burning man, at that.

285 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:51:47pm

re: #262 Ebetty

Absolutely a congratulations-worthy day, it’s a “best-day-ever” thing.

that’s great! you must have done a tremendous number of things well to give her the confidence to hand you the business - good for you!

286 albusteve  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:52:05pm

re: #275 Aceofwhat?

it’s not the killing, it’s the catching…i’m with you - at least from a helicopter, you have to pull off a great shot. ambushing or trapping seems a lot less sporting, although it’s more carbon-friendly. hmmm. conflicting moralities…

it’s dirty business, but it has to be done….people ragging about shooting wolves from choppers have no clue I guess….lot of that going around

287 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:52:40pm

re: #277 McSpiff

Na, we need to make this life matter. We only get one.

sorry, spiritual slacking. not physical slacking. physical slacking respects no creed or color/

288 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:52:46pm

re: #282 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I took my daughter to see “The Ring”. I wore a sleep mask all the way through the film. Didn’t watch a cel.

I hate scary movies. Daughter was 12.

Chicken.

Now the original version of “The Grudge” on the other hand…

289 windsagio  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:53:25pm

re: #286 albusteve

Well again, its just kinda weird that we’re killing them in some places, and reintroducing them in others.

Like I said waaay upthread, the San Juans could do with some natural predators left.

290 McSpiff  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:53:40pm

re: #287 Aceofwhat?

sorry, spiritual slacking. not physical slacking. physical slacking respects no creed or color/

Sure, why not?

291 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:54:04pm

re: #270 Aceofwhat?

heh. well done. isn’t slacking one of the benefits of atheism, after all/

Nope. We get actual acceptance of death.

292 Achilles Tang  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:54:17pm

re: #282 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I took my daughter to see “The Ring”. I wore a sleep mask all the way through the film. Didn’t watch a cel.

I hate scary movies. Daughter was 12.

I don’t like them either, but it’s nice to know someone with your handle is even more sensitive than I.

293 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:54:26pm

re: #284 windsagio

I’m still curious to see if you can handle Burning man, at that.

There is a study of Burning Man, with the world’s best title: “Theater in a Crowded Fire”.

[Link: laughingsquid.com…]

294 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:54:34pm

re: #261 albusteve

you wouldn’t know a knife from a ping pong paddle…have you ever been outdoors?

you obviously have never seen me play ping-pong, or you’d have used a different analogy…fear the paddle, dude…

295 albusteve  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:55:49pm

re: #281 WindUpBird

ahahaha you’re talking to the wrong guy, he’s actually quite outdoorsy/eagle-scouty

*I* an the guy who stays indoors :D

you cannot be held responsible for who you are, when others decide for you…any land or property I’ve ever owned I worked for and paid for it with my own mojo…I inherited nothing, and it says a lot for those that do

296 windsagio  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:55:58pm

re: #294 Aceofwhat?

Anyways (before I try to head out again) the real question of the wolf thing isn’t ‘HELICOPTERS?” but “Should we actually be doing this?”

Especially in AK, where there’s not exactly livestock to protect.

297 windsagio  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:56:29pm

re: #295 albusteve

Gotta say that was a good one!

You’re in fine form tonight steve :)

298 Ebetty  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:56:39pm

re: #285 Aceofwhat?

Thanks. What’s funny, is I just came back to work for her after several years. She was the first person to take a chance on me. She’s always been hardcore but really generous, and so warm behind closed doors. She’s ethical to a fault. I work really hard for her because I really feel inspired.

She donates time to clients, just to keep them on their feet. I’ve watched her front ad-buys, printing costs, a lot. I just hope I can live up to the standards our my clients have grown to expect.

:-) I’m guns blazing though.

299 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:56:55pm

re: #282 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I took my daughter to see “The Ring”. I wore a sleep mask all the way through the film. Didn’t watch a cel.

I hate scary movies. Daughter was 12.

I saw Night of the Living Dead at the age of 5 due to a combination of a parenting fail and older siblings, and didn’t sleep for a couple a few days.

Scared. The. Shit. Out. Of. Me.

300 McSpiff  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:57:11pm

re: #295 albusteve

What exactly does it say for those that inherit? You honestly think less of people for something they have no control over?

301 Gus  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:57:13pm

re: #296 windsagio

Anyways (before I try to head out again) the real question of the wolf thing isn’t ‘HELICOPTERS?” but “Should we actually be doing this?”

Especially in AK, where there’s not exactly livestock to protect.

Instead of livestock it would be Caribou over there.

302 Nimed  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:57:16pm

re: #282 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I took my daughter to see “The Ring”. I wore a sleep mask all the way through the film. Didn’t watch a cel.

I hate scary movies. Daughter was 12.

Wait a minute so you took YOUR 12 YEAR OLD DAUGHTER TO SEE THE RING?

:O :O :O

For purposes of comparison, my (then) 11 year old nephew couldn’t sleep alone after seeing “An American Werewolf in Paris” — which is a comedy.

You have a tough daughter there, FBV.

303 albusteve  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:57:25pm

re: #284 windsagio

I’m still curious to see if you can handle Burning man, at that.

ahahaha!…burning man!
2 pts
for lunacy

304 Political Atheist  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:57:49pm

re: #186 Charles

Politico’s latest poll shows a disappointing result IMHO. I just paged it. By far most who responded oppose the center. What a lost opportunity, a darn shame.

If you ran the same poll here would we get a different result? I think you would get a better result, but I’m just speculating.

305 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:58:02pm

I would pay to see steve at burning man.

306 windsagio  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:58:08pm

re: #300 McSpiff

Nah, he’s just trolling. He’ll say literally anything if he thinks he can get a reaction.

307 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:58:33pm

re: #296 windsagio

Anyways (before I try to head out again) the real question of the wolf thing isn’t ‘HELICOPTERS?” but “Should we actually be doing this?”

Especially in AK, where there’s not exactly livestock to protect.

eh. if a species is endangered, or even at risk…no. if the species can be hunted legally and humanely…*shrug*

308 windsagio  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:58:54pm

re: #305 Fozzie Bear

I would pay to see steve at burning man.

… makes me wish I could use photoshop.

309 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:59:22pm

re: #299 Fozzie Bear

I saw Night of the Living Dead at the age of 5 due to a combination of a parenting fail and older siblings, and didn’t sleep for a couple a few days.

Scared. The. Shit. Out. Of. Me.

The ’50s version of “Invaders From Mars” did it for me—perfect paranoia fest.

310 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:59:31pm

re: #302 Nimed

You have a tough daughter there, FBV.

She amazes me.

Who knew she’d be tested this hard, this young. But, I am amazingly proud of her.

311 windsagio  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:59:35pm

re: #307 Aceofwhat?

It seems kinda gainless, but then again I didn’t enjoy hunting for htings I could eat the few times I tried it.

312 Nimed  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 3:59:37pm

re: #288 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Chicken.

Now the original version of “The Grudge” on the other hand…

I put them pretty much at the same level. The Ring was scarier for me ‘cause I wasn’t used to the unnatural “jumpy” movements.

313 albusteve  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 4:00:05pm

re: #294 Aceofwhat?

you obviously have never seen me play ping-pong, or you’d have used a different analogy…fear the paddle, dude…

maybe you missed the factoid that the post was not in response to you…DOH!….I can play the game as good as anybody around here, you don’t scare me….bring it on pong breath

314 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 4:00:47pm

re: #309 Decatur Deb

The Abominable Snowman from “Rudolph” scared the shit out of me.

I am not afraid to admit it.

315 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 4:01:08pm

re: #305 Fozzie Bear

I would pay to see steve at burning man.

He’d be the asshole that lights the giant wooden statue on fire two days ahead of schedule, and I’d be the asshole that hands him the gas can and matches.

316 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 4:01:34pm

What is “burning man”?

317 ShaunP  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 4:01:52pm

re: #314 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

The Abominable Snowman from “Rudolph” scared the shit out of me.

I am not afraid to admit it.

Five YO ShaunP agrees with you…

318 TheMatrix31  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 4:01:54pm

re: #306 windsagio

Windsagio calling someone else a troll. I know I woke up like, 30 minutes ago but I hope I didn’t wake up in some sort of alternate universe.

319 windsagio  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 4:02:11pm

escaping try e^x. :)

320 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 4:02:24pm

re: #311 windsagio

It seems kinda gainless, but then again I didn’t enjoy hunting for htings I could eat the few times I tried it.

most of my extended family hunts, but i don’t really enjoy it either. i’m more of a racquet sports / mountain sports guy than a hunting guy.

321 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 4:02:27pm

re: #310 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

She amazes me.

Who knew she’d be tested this hard, this young. But, I am amazingly proud of her.

I tried to scare my kids with “Return of the Living Dead” complete with popping in like a zombie asking for “MORE BRAINS!”. The next day, they had the neighbor kids playing gang versus zombies where the zombies always won.

They’re 7 and 8.

322 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 4:02:39pm

re: #316 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

What is “burning man”?

[Link: www.burningman.com…]

323 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 4:03:01pm

re: #316 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

What is “burning man”?

Google it, and prepare for a feast of the weird.

324 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 4:03:04pm

re: #312 Nimed

I put them pretty much at the same level. The Ring was scarier for me ‘cause I wasn’t used to the unnatural “jumpy” movements.

That ghost popping up thru the bed sheets scared the shit out of me.

325 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 4:03:10pm

re: #316 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Ugh. Looks like hippies.

326 ShaunP  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 4:03:41pm

re: #324 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

That ghost popping up thru the bed sheets scared the shit out of me.

That was the thing that got me. You’re supposed to be SAFE under the covers!

327 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 4:04:13pm

re: #325 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Ugh. Looks like hippies.

Madly triumphant hippies.

328 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 4:05:02pm

re: #327 Decatur Deb

Uh… no such thing as a triumphant hippie.

329 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 4:05:12pm

re: #313 albusteve

maybe you missed the factoid that the post was not in response to you…DOH!…I can play the game as good as anybody around here, you don’t scare me…bring it on pong breath

i didn’t miss that it wasn’t a response to me…i just didn’t let it stop me from hijacking the post…

and if i’m ever in ABQ, i expect you to be honest to the rest of LGF about how i beat you like a circus mule…

330 Gus  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 4:05:52pm

re: #328 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Uh… no such thing as a triumphant hippie.

Image: costumed-girls-at-burning-man.jpg

331 albusteve  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 4:05:57pm

re: #300 McSpiff

What exactly does it say for those that inherit? You honestly think less of people for something they have no control over?

just put your money where your mouth is…I don’t give a fuck what people inherit

332 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 4:06:08pm

re: #328 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Uh… no such thing as a triumphant hippie.

Check the ticket prices.

333 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 4:06:12pm

re: #325 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Ugh. Looks like hippies.

yep…and mostly hardcore “showers are for The Man” hippies…

334 freetoken  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 4:06:57pm

The Martian Rep. just explained why she is doing her thing:

MICHELE BACHMANN: Why I Called for a Tea Party Caucus

George Washington once said, “The Constitution is the guide which I never will abandon.”

[…]

I called for a Tea Party Caucus to bring members’ attention to the cries of everyday Americans who are asking for a return to the fundamental principles contained within our nation’s greatest document, the Constitution.

[…]

And I have talked to many people who felt discouraged because no one in Washington, D.C. seemed willing to listen. This caucus will change that sentiment and ensure the voices of the people are carried through the halls of Congress.

Ahh…VOX POPULI !

335 Ebetty  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 4:07:12pm

Jake Tapper was tweeting about The Human Centipede all week. Reminds me why I’m NOT a horror movie buff. Yikes!

336 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 4:07:14pm

re: #327 Decatur Deb

Not hippies. Looks like nerds.

337 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 4:07:27pm

alrighty, i’m out to lift less weight than 97% of the other guys in the gym.

bbl.

338 albusteve  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 4:07:33pm

re: #306 windsagio

Nah, he’s just trolling. He’ll say literally anything if he thinks he can get a reaction.

your trolling again…disagreement is not trolling, but accusing others of trolling is trolling and you are brazenly guilty

339 albusteve  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 4:08:04pm

re: #305 Fozzie Bear

I would pay to see steve at burning man.

how much?

340 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 4:08:07pm

re: #330 Gus 802

I’m getting a sort of triumphant feeling right now.

341 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 4:08:09pm

re: #337 Aceofwhat?

Show off.

342 Gus  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 4:08:37pm

re: #340 Slumbering Behemoth

I’m getting a sort of triumphant feeling right now.

Ditto. Mongo like. Where do I sign up?

343 McSpiff  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 4:09:20pm

re: #338 albusteve

your trolling again…disagreement is not trolling, but accusing others of trolling is trolling and you are brazenly guilty

Shit, I didn’t even think we disagreed. I was going to say that inheriting doesn’t mean jack shit either way, its what you do with it. But (I think) you posted almost the same thing in your reply to me.

344 albusteve  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 4:09:46pm

re: #329 Aceofwhat?

i didn’t miss that it wasn’t a response to me…i just didn’t let it stop me from hijacking the post…

and if i’m ever in ABQ, i expect you to be honest to the rest of LGF about how i beat you like a circus mule…

I’ve beaten better than you…if you need to boast about it, you are a pong punk…bring it on you tomato can

345 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 4:10:14pm

re: #334 freetoken

I get the impression that she isn’t as concerned about the “voice of the people” who disagree with some of the TP rhetoric.

346 Ebetty  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 4:10:23pm

Must get dinner started, and go for a run. BBL.

347 ShaunP  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 4:10:26pm

re: #344 albusteve

I’ve beaten better than you…if you need to boast about it, you are a pong punk…bring it on you tomato can

Them’s fightin’ words! Put it on Youtube!

348 Nimed  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 4:11:17pm

re: #299 Fozzie Bear

I saw Night of the Living Dead at the age of 5 due to a combination of a parenting fail and older siblings, and didn’t sleep for a couple a few days.

Scared. The. Shit. Out. Of. Me.

So much people have the same basic story. “Watched a horror movie very young when my parents weren’t looking. Scarred me for life.”

Anyway, Alien for me.

349 freetoken  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 4:13:09pm

re: #345 Slumbering Behemoth

Yeah, no kidding.

These are the same people who claim to worship the Constitution while at the same time want to prohibit one group from exercising their religion in downtown NYC.

350 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 4:13:32pm

re: #348 Nimed

So much people have the same basic story. “Watched a horror movie very young when my parents weren’t looking. Scarred me for life.”

Anyway, Alien for me.

For me it was The Shining.

351 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 4:13:42pm

And now, epic moments in Ping Pong

Youtube Video
352 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 4:14:02pm

BBL

353 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 4:14:11pm

re: #348 Nimed

Meh. I saw The Shining on tv when I was around seven, back when the local stations didn’t censor or bleep anything out. I though it was awesome.

Scarred for life? Not even close. Though the old lady in the shower was a bit disturbing.

354 albusteve  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 4:14:14pm

re: #349 freetoken

Yeah, no kidding.

These are the same people who claim to worship the Constitution while at the same time want to prohibit one group from exercising their religion in downtown NYC.

there is no debate, the debate is fictional…a way to get on TV

355 erraticsphinx  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 4:14:46pm

re: #350 Killgore Trout

The flying monkeys from Wizard of Oz.

Oh. My. God. They are still terrifying to me.

356 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 4:14:58pm

re: #348 Nimed

So much people have the same basic story. “Watched a horror movie very young when my parents weren’t looking. Scarred me for life.”

Anyway, Alien for me.

For me, it was Grease.

357 ShaunP  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 4:15:38pm

re: #351 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

And now, epic moments in Ping Pong

[Video]

In the steve vs ace version, I expect someone to dive over the net…

358 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 4:15:48pm

re: #355 erraticsphinx

The flying monkeys from Wizard of Oz.

Oh. My. God. They are still terrifying to me.

Oh, yeah, I forgot about that one. Me too.

359 albusteve  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 4:16:08pm

re: #351 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

And now, epic moments in Ping Pong


[Video]

that’s Ace when he beat his one legged grandma

360 erraticsphinx  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 4:16:52pm

re: #356 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

We go together like sha-la-la-la-la…

Anyone?

361 Renaissance_Man  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 4:17:01pm

re: #348 Nimed

So much people have the same basic story. “Watched a horror movie very young when my parents weren’t looking. Scarred me for life.”

Anyway, Alien for me.

An OB/GYN I know, whose wife is also an OB/GYN, just watched Alien with his four kids all under 13. When the alien burst out, the nine year old shrugged and said she figured a C-section was probably indicated.

362 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 4:17:53pm

re: #356 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

This is the one that scarred me for life.

363 albusteve  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 4:18:30pm

102 in ABQ…no mercy

364 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 4:19:01pm

Now there’s a leak from the cap, apparently.


Here we see the government worried about the same thing the Roi has been worried about, but apparently they are bowing to pressure from BP to leave the cap on. Not a good decision, IMO.

But the government is worried that the cap on the well is causing oil and gas to leak out elsewhere, which could make the sea floor unstable and cause the well to collapse. That’s why federal officials want to pump the crude to ships on the surface. That would require opening the well for a few days to relieve pressure before the pipes could be hooked up, letting millions more gallons of oil spill out in the interim.

And here we see BP backing off their original commitment to remove the cap after the “integrity test” (which was a bad thing for the formation, and not necessary to capture the flowing oil), and leave the cap on until the relief well is finished.

Instead, the two sides have spent the past two days disagreeing over what to do with the undersea machinery holding back the gusher.

“We had some concerns … about commitments that BP had made that we did not feel that they were adequately living up to in terms of that monitoring,” said White House spokesman Robert Gibbs said. “That was dealt with last night on a call that lasted late into the evening.”

The apparent disagreement began to sprout Saturday when Allen said the cap would eventually be hooked up to a mile-long pipe to pump the crude to ships on the surface. But early the next day, BP chief operating officer Doug Suttles said the cap should stay clamped shut to keep in the oil until a permanent fix

BP is not to be trusted.

365 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 4:19:13pm

re: #363 albusteve

103 here. I feel your pain.

366 Political Atheist  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 4:19:14pm

re: #363 albusteve

102 in ABQ…no mercy

But it’s a dry heat…
*ducks*

367 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 4:19:38pm

re: #363 albusteve

102 in ABQ…no mercy

Ugh. That was PA two weeks ago.

Lots of liquids. Hang in there.

368 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 4:20:13pm

re: #362 Slumbering Behemoth

Bleach please.

369 Nimed  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 4:20:14pm

re: #353 Slumbering Behemoth

Meh. I saw The Shining on tv when I was around seven, back when the local stations didn’t censor or bleep anything out. I though it was awesome.

Scarred for life? Not even close. Though the old lady in the shower was a bit disturbing.

What about the creepy twins, and a father trying to kill his own son with an axe?

At the very least, Shelley Duvall’s unbearable screaming (Jack, just kill her already)…

370 RadicalModerate  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 4:20:30pm

John King USA is fun today.

Erick son of Erick could power a small town with all the spin he’s trying to put on the Mark Williams/Tea Party implosion over the weekend.

371 Political Atheist  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 4:20:37pm

Shout out to Walter… I just got some rough I could send if you like… Brazilian Opal.

372 albusteve  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 4:20:50pm

re: #367 Fozzie Bear

Ugh. That was PA two weeks ago.

Lots of liquids. Hang in there.

vodka and Gatorade…
what more can I do?

373 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 4:21:28pm

re: #371 Rightwingconspirator

Shout out to Walter… I just got some rough I could send if you like… Brazilian Opal.

He might be working. You prolly ought to email him.

374 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 4:21:37pm

Well that sucks.

One of my cats has a heart murmur.

375 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 4:21:42pm

re: #362 Slumbering Behemoth

This is the one that scarred me for life.

I can beat that.

The sheer mind numbing horror of the Bee Gees and Donald Pleasance singing “I want you/She’s so heavy” to each other.

Youtube Video
376 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 4:21:47pm

re: #372 albusteve

vodka and Gatorade…
what more can I do?

Lose the pants.

377 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 4:22:01pm

re: #369 Nimed

Shelley Duvall made “Popeye” watchable.

378 albusteve  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 4:22:12pm

re: #373 reine.de.tout

He might be working. You prolly ought to email him.

the Cashier Comic….he loves it

379 ShaunP  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 4:22:24pm

re: #369 Nimed

What about the creepy twins, and a father trying to kill his own son with an axe?

At the very least, Shelley Duvall’s unbearable screaming (Jack, just kill her already)…

THE BOOK! READ THE BOOK!

Seriously. I hated the movie, but the book was in my top 10 I’ve ever read…

380 McSpiff  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 4:22:54pm

re: #372 albusteve

I’m dying in the mid 90s. Just not built for heat, I thrive in cold… I’m tempted to barricade myself inside the walk in beer fridge at the liquor store.

381 albusteve  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 4:23:22pm

re: #376 Fozzie Bear

Lose the pants.

post in my skivvies?….have you no honor?
pass the bong

382 Political Atheist  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 4:23:44pm

re: #374 Obdicut

Well that sucks.

One of my cats has a heart murmur.

Oh no. How old is the kitteh? Treatable?

383 wrenchwench  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 4:23:54pm

re: #374 Obdicut

Well that sucks.

One of my cats has a heart murmur.

That does suck. Is there a treatment?

384 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 4:23:55pm

re: #267 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Nuke.

From orbit.

385 Political Atheist  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 4:24:42pm

re: #373 reine.de.tout

Yup. Took a shot as he is logged in. Email it is!

386 albusteve  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 4:24:46pm

re: #380 McSpiff

I’m dying in the mid 90s. Just not built for heat, I thrive in cold… I’m tempted to barricade myself inside the walk in beer fridge at the liquor store.

hey…I love skiing, never too cold for that, never…ask Darth

387 researchok  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 4:24:53pm

Pride, falls:

Youtube Video
388 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 4:25:04pm

‎”To suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous liberals, or to quit halfterm, and by opposing, rake in speaking fees” -Shakespalin

389 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 4:25:04pm

re: #369 Nimed

I thought it was all awesome. I became an immediate fan of Nicholson after watching that.

390 HoosierHoops  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 4:26:27pm

re: #363 albusteve

102 in ABQ…no mercy

Hang in there Steve-o..It’s been hot here with high humidity…

391 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 4:26:50pm

re: #375 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Uncle! Uncle! You win!

392 robdouth  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 4:26:52pm

Nothing yet on the NAACP woman in a government position spouting craziness?

393 Nimed  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 4:26:59pm

re: #377 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Shelley Duvall made “Popeye” watchable.

LOL

394 albusteve  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 4:27:08pm

re: #388 Fozzie Bear

‎”To suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous liberals, or to quit halfterm, and by opposing, rake in speaking fees” -Shakespalin

heh…that’s how you do it these days…talk yourself into the nomination, and when she debates BO, the victimization will be so thick you will cut it with a butter knife

395 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 4:27:13pm

re: #383 wrenchwench

That does suck. Is there a treatment?

re: #382 Rightwingconspirator

It’s a common thing in cats. It depends what the source is whether or not it’s treatable. It might be hypertension, it might be enlargement of the heart.

Little dude hates taking pills with a passion, though.

With animals, it’s such a different analysis about whether to treat or not, because it’s a quality of life issue. The heart murmur doesn’t cause him pain or otherwise affect him right now; it might cause a crisis later. Is it worthwhile to give him pills, which he hates and gags on and sulks for hours after you give him them, to prevent a potential crisis?

We’ll have to think on it. Poor little dude. He’s in the catnip now, his reward for a vet visit.

396 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 4:27:23pm

re: #387 researchok

You just made me very happy, thanks.

heh

397 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 4:27:55pm

re: #374 Obdicut

Well that sucks.

One of my cats has a heart murmur.

Obdi -
One of mine does too.
It will probably be just fine.

398 researchok  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 4:28:11pm

re: #396 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

You just made me very happy, thanks.

heh

We aim to please.

399 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 4:28:22pm

re: #391 Slumbering Behemoth

Uncle! Uncle! You win!

THE DAY IS MINE!

400 albusteve  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 4:29:42pm

re: #398 researchok

We aim to please.

bumper sticker I was not allowed to buy….
“I still miss my ex wife…but my aim is getting better”

401 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 4:30:02pm

re: #244 McSpiff

Crap, didn’t see this one before i replied!

’s OK.
It happens.

402 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 4:30:37pm

If my cat gets any fatter, he’ll have a heart problem soon enough.

He’s on the diet food now, and I’m looking for a harness to take my chunky fuzzloaf out for walks. It should be entertaining, if nothing else.

403 Nimed  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 4:31:23pm

re: #379 ShaunP

THE BOOK! READ THE BOOK!

Seriously. I hated the movie, but the book was in my top 10 I’ve ever read…

I’ll take recommendation. But you say you hated the movie? Yikes! You watched it after reading the book, right?

404 Political Atheist  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 4:31:38pm

re: #395 Obdicut

We have an older feline 17, little tiny female. She needs tapizole twice a day for a thyroid thing. We have it emulsified with tuna and we put the little dose (a no needle syringe to measure the liquid) in with cat food/gravy, just 1/2 tsp. After she laps that up she gets the “real” meal. That is how you give a cat a pill. You give a pharmacist a few bucks instead. :-)> A buck a day or so all totaled up.

Best wishes & good luck.

405 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 4:31:59pm

re: #398 researchok

Such an ‘Indiana Jones” moment.

406 McSpiff  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 4:33:30pm

re: #402 Fozzie Bear

If my cat gets any fatter, he’ll have a heart problem soon enough.

He’s on the diet food now, and I’m looking for a harness to take my chunky fuzzloaf out for walks. It should be entertaining, if nothing else.

heh I’ll just leave this here for some inspiration.

407 McSpiff  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 4:33:42pm

re: #406 McSpiff

heh I’ll just leave this here for some inspiration.

Crap. Image: haters-700x495.jpg

408 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 4:33:44pm

re: #405 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Such an ‘Indiana Jones” moment.

Anyone ever mistake you for Harrison Ford?

Anyone ??
Anyone???

Bueller!?!?

409 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 4:33:55pm

re: #387 researchok

Someone should have told that dude it was a boxing match, not a dance off. Poor fool.

410 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 4:34:41pm

re: #402 Fozzie Bear

If my cat gets any fatter, he’ll have a heart problem soon enough.

He’s on the diet food now, and I’m looking for a harness to take my chunky fuzzloaf out for walks. It should be entertaining, if nothing else.

Make a cat wheel…

Youtube Video

Youtube Video

I built one from home depot parts a few years ago. I think the cost was around 80 bucks. I posted instructions on how to build one here on lgf a long time ago. I could try to dig up the link sometime if you’re interested.
411 What, me worry?  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 4:35:11pm

re: #395 Obdicut

re: #382 Rightwingconspirator

It’s a common thing in cats. It depends what the source is whether or not it’s treatable. It might be hypertension, it might be enlargement of the heart.

Little dude hates taking pills with a passion, though.

With animals, it’s such a different analysis about whether to treat or not, because it’s a quality of life issue. The heart murmur doesn’t cause him pain or otherwise affect him right now; it might cause a crisis later. Is it worthwhile to give him pills, which he hates and gags on and sulks for hours after you give him them, to prevent a potential crisis?

We’ll have to think on it. Poor little dude. He’s in the catnip now, his reward for a vet visit.

Ah poor thing. I’ve had so many kitties with various diseases/ailments. Currently our orange puss has some weird parasite skin thing that covers his belly, his paws, his nose, even in his mouth. He needs monthly cortizone shots which run about $30/mo. Whoopie……

Can you crush the pills and put them in the food? I’ve had pretty good luck giving pills. You start to pet them, scratch their heads, and slowly stick your finger in the back of their mouth where the top meets the bottom of their lips/mouth. They automatically open their mouths, then you just slide the pill in. Close and hold their mouths closed until they swallow which they do pretty quickly. Well, it gets easier the more you do it. Works better on dogs.

412 researchok  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 4:35:44pm

re: #400 albusteve

bumper sticker I was not allowed to buy…
“I still miss my ex wife…but my aim is getting better”

I wanted to title the video, ‘incumbents and voters’.

413 What, me worry?  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 4:35:56pm

re: #402 Fozzie Bear

If my cat gets any fatter, he’ll have a heart problem soon enough.

He’s on the diet food now, and I’m looking for a harness to take my chunky fuzzloaf out for walks. It should be entertaining, if nothing else.

Ooo good luck with that. Maybe some pics for the Pages? Cats aren’t fond of leads usually.

414 Nimed  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 4:36:14pm

re: #394 albusteve

heh…that’s how you do it these days…talk yourself into the nomination, and when she debates BO, the victimization will be so thick you will cut it with a butter knife

This “refudiate” stuff is just the old Palin strategy of lowering expectations.

Remember the debate with Biden, when people said she was going to be crushed and then they were all like AMAZING SHE CAN TALK AND BLINK AT THE SAME TIME, WHAT A FEAT, BIDEN SURE IS FUCKED NOW.

415 researchok  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 4:36:55pm

re: #409 Slumbering Behemoth

Someone should have told that dude it was a boxing match, not a dance off. Poor fool.

I saw that and laughed for two weeks.

416 albusteve  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 4:37:17pm

re: #402 Fozzie Bear

If my cat gets any fatter, he’ll have a heart problem soon enough.

He’s on the diet food now, and I’m looking for a harness to take my chunky fuzzloaf out for walks. It should be entertaining, if nothing else.

cat’s are outdoor creatures….indoor/outdoor at best…they need to hunt, kill and bask in the sun…keeping a cat indoors it’s entire life is cruel

417 wrenchwench  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 4:37:18pm

re: #414 Nimed

AMAZING SHE CAN TALK AND BLINK WINK AT THE SAME TIME

FTFY

418 prairiefire  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 4:38:11pm

Domesticated cats like it just fine in the AC, inside.

419 What, me worry?  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 4:38:18pm

re: #410 Killgore Trout

Oh yea! That’s great!

420 wrenchwench  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 4:38:35pm

re: #416 albusteve

cat’s are outdoor creatures…indoor/outdoor at best…they need to hunt, kill and bask in the sun…keeping a cat indoors it’s entire life is cruel

Wrong.

421 rwdflynavy  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 4:39:12pm

Ruh Roh!!

SHOCK: Video Suggests Racism At NAACP Event
Official At Freedom Fund Banquet Says Racial Considerations Would Be Factor For How Much Help Afforded

Looks like Breitbart is already covering. Just as with the Tea Party, one racist doesn’t make the NAACP racist, but this feeds right into the crazy.

422 albusteve  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 4:39:36pm

re: #420 wrenchwench

Wrong.

right, and with extreme prejudice

423 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 4:39:51pm

re: #416 albusteve

cat’s are outdoor creatures…indoor/outdoor at best…they need to hunt, kill and bask in the sun…keeping a cat indoors it’s entire life is cruel

heh I actually had to sign paperwork for my sphynx from the breeder that I wouldn’t allow him to go outside

424 Nimed  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 4:39:55pm

re: #417 wrenchwench

FTFY

Damn.

425 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 4:40:59pm

re: #420 wrenchwench

Wrong.

We had this old tom when I was a kid that was really 100% outdoor cat, but my tiny little boogedy rexes, they’re as indoor as indoor gets, they’re like tiny novelty cats, they’re adults but the size of kittens :D

426 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 4:41:20pm

re: #423 WindUpBird

heh I actually had to sign paperwork for my sphynx from the breeder that I wouldn’t allow him to go outside

We had to do the same thing with our pediatrician concerning our son!!

//

427 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 4:41:56pm

re: #426 sattv4u2

We had to do the same thing with our pediatrician concerning our son!!

//

Just make sure he has Forza 3 and an Xbox, he’ll be fine :D

428 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 4:42:10pm

re: #421 rwdflynavy

The video does nothing of the sort, though. It shows someone who, dealing with a rude customer, thinks race may be an issue in why the person she’s dealing with is being rude, so doesn’t go out on any limbs for him and finds him a white person to deal with to possibly alleviate the problem.

429 What, me worry?  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 4:42:51pm

re: #416 albusteve

cat’s are outdoor creatures…indoor/outdoor at best…they need to hunt, kill and bask in the sun…keeping a cat indoors it’s entire life is cruel

I agree with you, but around here, it’s too urban so they get run over a lot. The last place I rented became a little animal graveyard. Possoms, racoons, a few cats. It’s not good for them to be outside here.

430 albusteve  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 4:43:13pm

re: #423 WindUpBird

heh I actually had to sign paperwork for my sphynx from the breeder that I wouldn’t allow him to go outside

there you have it…secluded with a Roomba for a friend, can’t climb a tree but is mezmerized by David Letterman or Cops

431 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 4:44:40pm

re: #427 WindUpBird

Just make sure he has Forza 3 and an Xbox, he’ll be fine :D

Xbox ,, CHECK
GameCube,,CHECK
Wii,,, Check
DS ,,Check
GameBoy ,, CHECK
PSP,,, Check
mini Fridge in room ,, CHECK
With any luck, he won’t need anything else until he moves out ,,, IF he moves out!

432 albusteve  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 4:44:49pm

re: #429 marjoriemoon

I agree with you, but around here, it’s too urban so they get run over a lot. The last place I rented became a little animal graveyard. Possoms, racoons, a few cats. It’s not good for them to be outside here.

then don’t bring them into that environment…they’re cats

433 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 4:44:51pm

re: #416 albusteve

cat’s are outdoor creatures…indoor/outdoor at best…they need to hunt, kill and bask in the sun…keeping a cat indoors it’s entire life is cruel

I once saw a cat launch itself right through a thick hedge and hop back over with a humming bird in its mouth. Quite the hunter, I’d say.

434 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 4:45:36pm

re: #413 marjoriemoon

Ooo good luck with that. Maybe some pics for the Pages? Cats aren’t fond of leads usually.

This is my cat, recharging his batteries. He’s solar powered.

435 wrenchwench  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 4:45:39pm

re: #425 WindUpBird

We had this old tom when I was a kid that was really 100% outdoor cat, but my tiny little boogedy rexes, they’re as indoor as indoor gets, they’re like tiny novelty cats, they’re adults but the size of kittens :D

When I was a kid all our cats were indoor/outdoor. Even in urban southern California they did damage to the wildlife (birds and lizards.) My two rescue mutt kitties are totally indoor cats (with one thirty second escape two years ago). They are litter mates, and chase each other around the house, so they get lots of exercise.

436 brennant  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 4:45:44pm

re: #433 Slumbering Behemoth

Sorry, our cats are indoors… A few months back I found a front half of a cat in our street… never found the back end.

437 erraticsphinx  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 4:46:32pm

re: #428 Obdicut

I’m not understanding what’s even going on, she does sound rather unpleasant about it. Judging by a source known for it’s unscrupulous audio in erm, questionable “sting operations”, and also judging by the blaring Fox News front page…

Best to wait and see.

438 Nimed  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 4:47:19pm

re: #423 WindUpBird

heh I actually had to sign paperwork for my sphynx from the breeder that I wouldn’t allow him to go outside

I don’t get it.

Don’t you like fur?

439 albusteve  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 4:47:22pm

re: #431 sattv4u2

Xbox ,, CHECK
GameCube,,CHECK
Wii,,, Check
DS ,,Check
GameBoy ,, CHECK
PSP,,, Check
mini Fridge in room ,, CHECK
With any luck, he won’t need anything else until he moves out ,,, IF he moves out!

I had two kids…from early childhood they understood that 18 was the end of the line…you will GO AWAY to college…they did and loved every minute of college life

440 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 4:47:26pm

Comment and reply…

re: #433 Slumbering Behemoth

I once saw a cat launch itself right through a thick hedge and hop back over with a humming bird in its mouth. Quite the hunter, I’d say.

re: #436 brennant

Sorry, our cats are indoors… A few months back I found a front half of a cat in our street… never found the back end.

Does not compute.

441 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 4:48:14pm

re: #421 rwdflynavy

Assholes everywhere.

442 Eclectic Infidel  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 4:48:28pm

re: #416 albusteve

cat’s are outdoor creatures…indoor/outdoor at best…they need to hunt, kill and bask in the sun…keeping a cat indoors it’s entire life is cruel

Not in an urban center it isn’t. Besides, my cats have free range and full permission to claw the daylights out of my furniture.

443 albusteve  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 4:48:39pm

re: #433 Slumbering Behemoth

I once saw a cat launch itself right through a thick hedge and hop back over with a humming bird in its mouth. Quite the hunter, I’d say.

yup…nothing in the world like an outdoor cat that takes care of itself…a little food and water and they are good to go

444 brennant  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 4:48:52pm

re: #440 Slumbering Behemoth

Does not compute.

Meaning either cars or predators are at work in our part of the world. I wish I had the space and the safety for our cats to be outside, but that is not the case. They get to chase each other and lay around with me. I hope that is enough.

445 What, me worry?  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 4:49:20pm

re: #432 albusteve

then don’t bring them into that environment…they’re cats

Tell that to the people who insist on dumping them here. I’ve had about 10 cats in the last 16 years. All were dumped. People think it’s better for them than taking them to the Humane Society. So poor suckers like me have to spend a fortune on food and healthcare and then bury them or scrap them off the road. Don’t get me started… The Humane Society, if there aren’t any no-kill shelters, is where they belong. Not the streets.

446 brennant  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 4:49:29pm

…ok one cat just brought me a present. Fake mouse. lol.

447 What, me worry?  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 4:50:17pm

re: #434 Fozzie Bear

This is my cat, recharging his batteries. He’s solar powered.

Ooo look at the baby! My black one is fat like that too.

I REALLY dig that cat wheel. KT, could you find the link again?

448 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 4:50:22pm

re: #444 brennant

Meaning either cars or predators are at work in our part of the world. I wish I had the space and the safety for our cats to be outside, but that is not the case. They get to chase each other and lay around with me. I hope that is enough.

Yeah. My comment had absolutely nothing to do with any of the stuff you are talking about, in this reply or the other one. Hence “Does not compute”.

449 allegro  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 4:50:52pm

re: #410 Killgore Trout

Wow! Loved that music! Cats are very cool, too.

450 brennant  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 4:50:55pm

Front page of FOX:

Days after the NAACP clashed with Tea Party members over racism allegations, video surfaces showing USDA official regaling an NAACP group with story about how she withheld help to a white farmer facing bankruptcy — video that now has forced her to resign.

This is USDA official that resigned. Not the NAACP right?

451 What, me worry?  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 4:51:03pm

re: #435 wrenchwench

When I was a kid all our cats were indoor/outdoor. Even in urban southern California they did damage to the wildlife (birds and lizards.) My two rescue mutt kitties are totally indoor cats (with one thirty second escape two years ago). They are litter mates, and chase each other around the house, so they get lots of exercise.

Excellent point.

452 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 4:51:08pm

re: #431 sattv4u2

Xbox ,, CHECK
GameCube,,CHECK
Wii,,, Check
DS ,,Check
GameBoy ,, CHECK
PSP,,, Check
mini Fridge in room ,, CHECK
With any luck, he won’t need anything else until he moves out ,,, IF he moves out!

hahah christ alive, the only reason he doesn’t have more game systems than me is I’ve still held onto (or rebought) the old ones I had from when I was a kid. I used to be that kid with the multiple computers and game systems, now I have no time to play anything but the one racing game I have and the occasional plastic musical instrument game XD

453 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 4:51:47pm

re: #439 albusteve

I had two kids…from early childhood they understood that 18 was the end of the line…you will GO AWAY to college…they did and loved every minute of college life

Oh I didn’t need to be convinced to go away for school, I was SO ready

Wasn’t much of a partyer in college. I was booooring

454 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 4:52:05pm

re: #443 albusteve

It was a sight to see, Steve. Like a gawt-damned fur covered guided missile. If I had blinked I would have missed it.

455 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 4:52:18pm

re: #434 Fozzie Bear

This is my cat, recharging his batteries. He’s solar powered.

Ok fixed it. The image was waaaaay too big.

456 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 4:52:55pm

re: #430 albusteve

there you have it…secluded with a Roomba for a friend, can’t climb a tree but is mezmerized by David Letterman or Cops

hahaha well, he’s got two insane rexes for friends, and I’m around constantly! :D

He’s a terrible hunter, though. He is AFRAID OF SPIDERS.

Who ever heard of a damn cat scared of spiders?

457 albusteve  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 4:55:40pm

re: #451 marjoriemoon

Excellent point.

cats hunt…if that disturbs people they should not own a cat…my pleasure from owning cats was that they were all seriously independent….it is their nature, unless you have some hybred, clawless indoor creature…how about a cat lobotomy?…just lay in your lap all day, getting fat….those are not cats, they are unnatural fabrications to suit the lifestyle of their selfish owners

458 wrenchwench  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 4:55:55pm

re: #455 Fozzie Bear

Ok fixed it. The image was waaay too big.

Now my comment makes no sense!

459 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 4:56:10pm

And here is the less cuddly side of kitties. Skip ahead to about the 1:00 mark to see something truly frightening.

I love cats :)

Youtube Video
460 rwdflynavy  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 4:57:33pm

re: #452 WindUpBird

hahah christ alive, the only reason he doesn’t have more game systems than me is I’ve still held onto (or rebought) the old ones I had from when I was a kid. I used to be that kid with the multiple computers and game systems, now I have no time to play anything but the one racing game I have and the occasional plastic musical instrument game XD

My 16 year old has the following:
Xbox
Xbox360
PS2
PSP
Nintendo 64
Sega Dreamcast
Sega Game Gear
Gamecube
computer - dedicated server for TeamFortress2
Gaming computer w/3 19 inch monitors on a single mount
gaming laptop

all bought with his own money….
The apple doesn’t fall too far from the tree…

461 brennant  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 4:57:56pm

re: #457 albusteve

lifestyle of their selfish owners

That’s nice. My cat is de-clawed, and that is the way we adopted her from the pound. I would never subject any cat to de-clawing, and find that terrible. From what the pound said, they are harder to adopt. So we adopted her.

462 Nimed  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 4:58:19pm

re: #456 WindUpBird

hahaha well, he’s got two insane rexes for friends, and I’m around constantly! :D

He’s a terrible hunter, though. He is AFRAID OF SPIDERS.

Who ever heard of a damn cat scared of spiders?

WUP, I’m gonna nag you with this — you’re into furrydom and you chose a hairless cat???

463 albusteve  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 4:58:39pm

re: #454 Slumbering Behemoth

It was a sight to see, Steve. Like a gawt-damned fur covered guided missile. If I had blinked I would have missed it.

cats are way cool…but you must let them be themselves, not some facsimile

464 engineer cat  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 4:58:56pm

we have a crazy savannah cat, leaps up vertically five feet into the air, has eliminated all rodent problems in the five nearest houses

465 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 4:59:11pm

re: #459 Fozzie Bear

Wow. You just don’t fuck around with large cats if there’s even so much as a foot of grass around. They’re stealthy ass hell.

466 researchok  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 4:59:45pm

This just gets better with time…

Youtube Video
467 Gus  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 4:59:53pm

re: #421 rwdflynavy

Ruh Roh!!

SHOCK: Video Suggests Racism At NAACP Event
Official At Freedom Fund Banquet Says Racial Considerations Would Be Factor For How Much Help Afforded

Looks like Breitbart is already covering. Just as with the Tea Party, one racist doesn’t make the NAACP racist, but this feeds right into the crazy.

She’s relating a story of how she viewed things in her past. If you watching (listen) to the video you’ll note that she says it was at the time when Chapter 12 bankruptcy had just been enacted. This would put the year at 1986. The video is incomplete. However, it does have enough to learn more about her speech since it ends with her saying “that when it was revealed to me that it’s about [being] poor, versus those who have. It’s not so much about white… it is about white and black but it’s not, you know… it opened my eyes.” She learned from that experience to see that it isn’t about being black or white, it’s about being poor.

468 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 5:00:04pm

re: #452 WindUpBird

hahah christ alive, the only reason he doesn’t have more game systems than me is I’ve still held onto (or rebought) the old ones I had from when I was a kid. I used to be that kid with the multiple computers and game systems, now I have no time to play anything but the one racing game I have and the occasional plastic musical instrument game XD

I didn’t list them all

My fingers were cramping up!!

469 albusteve  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 5:00:33pm

re: #456 WindUpBird

hahaha well, he’s got two insane rexes for friends, and I’m around constantly! :D

He’s a terrible hunter, though. He is AFRAID OF SPIDERS.

Who ever heard of a damn cat scared of spiders?

I jest, sort of…all cats get my attention regardless of their favorite TV show…I still dig them…but a scappy, independent, outdoor cat is a thing to behold

470 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 5:01:26pm

re: #447 marjoriemoon

Ooo look at the baby! My black one is fat like that too.

I REALLY dig that cat wheel. KT, could you find the link again?

I’ve got my hands full with “work” stuff right now. I’ll try to remember to look for it later tonight.

471 albusteve  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 5:01:58pm

re: #461 brennant

That’s nice. My cat is de-clawed, and that is the way we adopted her from the pound. I would never subject any cat to de-clawing, and find that terrible. From what the pound said, they are harder to adopt. So we adopted her.

good for you…you will indeed go to heaven

472 brennant  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 5:02:16pm

re: #471 albusteve

473 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 5:02:20pm

re: #469 albusteve

I jest, sort of…all cats get my attention regardless of their favorite TV show…I still dig them…but a scappy, independent, outdoor cat is a thing to behold

I would love to let Alfie roam the great outdoors… but there are cars about, and very large hawks that regularly haul off groundhogs. I fear he wouldn’t last too long being the color of a pumpkin and all.

474 What, me worry?  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 5:03:32pm

re: #461 brennant

That’s nice. My cat is de-clawed, and that is the way we adopted her from the pound. I would never subject any cat to de-clawing, and find that terrible. From what the pound said, they are harder to adopt. So we adopted her.

Declawing is the worst. It’s like removing your finger at the knuckle. It’s mutilation.

Glad you adopted her.

475 What, me worry?  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 5:03:58pm

re: #457 albusteve

cats hunt…if that disturbs people they should not own a cat…my pleasure from owning cats was that they were all seriously independent…it is their nature, unless you have some hybred, clawless indoor creature…how about a cat lobotomy?…just lay in your lap all day, getting fat…those are not cats, they are unnatural fabrications to suit the lifestyle of their selfish owners

Better in my house than under the wheel of a car.

476 albusteve  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 5:04:53pm

re: #473 Fozzie Bear

I would love to let Alfie roam the great outdoors… but there are cars about, and very large hawks that regularly haul off groundhogs. I fear he wouldn’t last too long being the color of a pumpkin and all.

sounds like he’d make a fine jack-o-lantern….
you made me say it

477 albusteve  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 5:05:57pm

re: #475 marjoriemoon

Better in my house than under the wheel of a car.

well sometimes shit happens

478 brennant  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 5:06:01pm

re: #476 albusteve

So I am guessing you are an animal behaviorist?

You, in fact, might be a pussy whisperer?

479 albusteve  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 5:06:41pm

re: #474 marjoriemoon

Declawing is the worst. It’s like removing your finger at the knuckle. It’s mutilation.

Glad you adopted her.

agreed on both counts

480 ShaunP  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 5:06:41pm

re: #403 Nimed

I’ll take recommendation. But you say you hated the movie? Yikes! You watched it after reading the book, right?

Watched it before the book. Liked it a lot more after reading it…

481 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 5:07:07pm

re: #478 brennant

Ha! Up ding for the p/w.

482 albusteve  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 5:08:39pm

re: #478 brennant

So I am guessing you are an animal behaviorist?

You, in fact, might be a pussy whisperer?

no, I get a cat and it goes about it’s business being a cat…I’m a suburban/country boy…I would never have a pet living in an apartment….maybe a turtle

483 brennant  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 5:11:05pm

re: #482 albusteve

Not to nit-pick, but what is a “suburban/country boy”? Like that line dancing, bull riding movie with John Travolta?

484 abbynorm  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 5:11:58pm

re: #116 Charles


I am late to the converstion due to hand surgery tomorrow, but in the building of this center/mosque I might feel a little more friendly toward it if the opening was not on the 10 anny of 9-11. I think picking that date shows something. But then if the place doesn’t matter why should the date

485 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 5:22:37pm

re: #484 abbynorm

I am late to the converstion due to hand surgery tomorrow, but in the building of this center/mosque I might feel a little more friendly toward it if the opening was not on the 10 anny of 9-11. I think picking that date shows something. But then if the place doesn’t matter why should the date

9 posts in a little over three years

Pacing yourself??

486 abbynorm  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 5:32:29pm

I do have a life and for the most but not all I do agree with what has been posted so why repeat. Plus hand surgery

487 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 5:37:11pm

re: #486 abbynorm

I do have a life and for the most but not all I do agree with what has been posted so why repeat. Plus hand surgery


uh huh!

9 posts
37 months

hell of a recovery time from surgery!

(I would strongly consider finding different doctors and therapists!)

488 SteveMcGazi  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 5:37:18pm

An old friend of mine once caught me flat footed two years ago. Right after she was nominated, we riding around on a golf cart and out of the blue he says “So what do you think about Sarah? Isn’t she great?” I should have expected it, he’s a wonderful man, really active in church and a high school. But I thought he was smart. He was actually brilliant, once upon a time. Designed electronic systems for the Navy. Department head for a major defense contractor. (Is this my future, to go from a genius to a blithering idiot by the time I’m 65?) Well I almost crashed the cart. I don’t bring up Sarah, I’m afraid he might still be smitten. I just can’t believe there are that many Stupid people out there. I mean, I know there’s the infamous Bell Curve, but JFC, she’s an idiot! And her worshippers think everybody else is afraid of her. Can’t they hear the laughter? (Wasn’t that a sappy movie line?)

489 SteveMcGazi  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 5:39:06pm

re: #484 abbynorm

Good luck. B/L carpal tunnel survivor, myself.

490 Dom  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 5:39:18pm

Tom Mendelsohn of The Independent hasn’t mentioned or credited you once in his blog post. Nor has he bothered to even rename the screenshot he nicked from you. ftr.

491 abbynorm  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 5:42:24pm

re: #487 sattv4u2

wow, must be lonely in the basement.

492 Dom  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 5:43:45pm

I’m mistaken. He did link to you. Apologies to Tom Mendelsohn.

493 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 5:49:20pm

re: #491 abbynorm

wow, must be lonely in the basement.

Even from down here I can sniff out a troll!

494 abbynorm  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 5:52:41pm

A troll be I you say - get off my bridge say I to a basement dweller

495 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 5:54:52pm

re: #494 abbynorm

A troll be I you say - get off my bridge say I to a basement dweller

You better slow down

You’re using your yearly average of posts all in one night!

496 captdiggs  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:04:13pm

The most bewildering part of this is—-how do you get a four year degree in “Communications” and “Journalism” without knowing the word “repudiate”?

497 abbynorm  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:15:26pm

re: #495 sattv4u2

hey one finger typing is pain so I got to get my quota in.

498 prairiefire  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:16:00pm

re: #495 sattv4u2

Satt, can you please make sure I get my satellite feed right down here to my basement? I need to see the rest of the world. K?ThnxBai

499 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:18:36pm

re: #498 prairiefire

Satt, can you please make sure I get my satellite feed right down here to my basement? I need to see the rest of the world. K?ThnxBai

Sure

Step 1,, straighten out a wire coat hanger
Step 2,,,ball a glob of tin foil on the end
Step 3,, stick it out the window, tin foil side outside
Step 4,,, point it to the equator, and depending on the satellite desired hold it anywhere from 12 degrees to 45 degrees above the horizon
Step 5 ,, send me a blank check for desired channels

500 abbynorm  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:21:50pm

Does the tin foil need to be new or used?

501 prairiefire  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:22:00pm

re: #499 sattv4u2

Def Cartoon Network, Bravo, and BBC America~Thanks!

502 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:22:49pm

re: #500 abbynorm

Does the tin foil need to be new or used?

You can take some from your hat!

503 abbynorm  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:24:50pm

On my bridge there is only duct tape, as you have so much maybe we could borrow some?

504 boxhead  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 1:27:00am

I would not be surprised if her spoken gaffs endear her to the “base”.

:(


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