AZ Sheriff Babeu, Frequent Fox Contributor, Appears on White Supremacist Radio Show

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Arizona Republican Sheriff Paul Babeu is a frequent guest on Fox News, vigorously defending Arizona’s new immigration law on at least 18 occasions.

And last July 10th, Sheriff Babeu appeared on a radio show that openly and proudly promotes white supremacism, antisemitism, Holocaust denial and other extreme right wing causes — the vile, ugly Political Cesspool show, a frequent hang-out of David Duke and other leading lights of the white nationalist sub-subculture: AZ Sheriff Babeu appears on a white nationalist program, invites listeners to join his ‘posse’.

Fox News and neo-Nazi radio shows, sharing guests.

(Hat tip: wrenchwench.)

UPDATE at 7/19/10 5:33:29 pm:

Babeu also appeared in this political advertisement for John McCain, telling McCain, “Senator, you’re one of us” — which takes on a seriously unpleasant meaning in this context.

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1 windsagio  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 5:27:04pm

There's a sheriff in AZ worse than Joe Arpaio?

I learned something today!

2 Kragar  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 5:28:42pm

A bunch of white supremacists cruising the border under quasi-legal police oversight? What could possibly go wrong?
/

3 wrenchwench  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 5:29:28pm

I wonder if John McCain will continue to use him in his ads. Babeu said in one of them to McCain, "You're one of us". Did he ever say what he meant by that?

4 Kragar  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 5:30:14pm

re: #3 wrenchwench

I wonder if John McCain will continue to use him in his ads. Babeu said in one of them to McCain, "You're one of us". Did he ever say what he meant by that?

A white male.

5 Racer X  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 5:33:21pm

This crap just makes me ill.

I got into it the other day with a friend for emailing me racist crap. Why do people all of a sudden think this crap is OK?

6 wrenchwench  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 5:33:55pm

re: #4 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

A white male.

...politician who will pander for votes...

7 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 5:34:28pm

White supremacists one degree away from the GOP's presidential candidate. Good freaking grief.

8 windsagio  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 5:34:44pm

re: #5 Racer X

The bristling of a cornered beast.

They're all defiant about it now >>

9 Ojoe  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 5:35:43pm

This right wing rough stuff is going nowhere good.

& Fie on the succession of administrations who have been lax to say the least on enforcing immigration statutes, because look what tries to step into the gap.

10 darthstar  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 5:36:02pm

re: #3 wrenchwench

I wonder if John McCain will continue to use him in his ads. Babeu said in one of them to McCain, "You're one of us". Did he ever say what he meant by that?

I don't know, but if I was McCain's opponent (assuming he beats Hayworth in the primary), I'd use it in an ad.

"You're one of us." followed by images of Babeau hanging out with racists, and finally, "Really, Senator McCain? How far have you fallen from the war hero we used to admire?"

11 What, me worry?  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 5:36:10pm

re: #3 wrenchwench

I wonder if John McCain will continue to use him in his ads. Babeu said in one of them to McCain, "You're one of us". Did he ever say what he meant by that?

Woot! Woot! on the HT!

12 albusteve  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 5:36:44pm

re: #7 Charles

White supremacists one degree away from the GOP's presidential candidate. Good freaking grief.

carrying a Bible with a smile from ear to ear....good hair too, and the right shoes...it's coming

13 What, me worry?  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 5:36:48pm

re: #3 wrenchwench

I wonder if John McCain will continue to use him in his ads. Babeu said in one of them to McCain, "You're one of us". Did he ever say what he meant by that?

Is that the bald guy?

14 windsagio  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 5:37:13pm

re: #9 Ojoe

This right wing rough stuff is going nowhere good.

& Fie on the succession of administrations who have been lax to say the least on enforcing immigration statutes, because look what tries to step into the gap.

"Government isn't doing anything!"
Mandatory response post.

15 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 5:38:17pm

YOWZA.

16 Ojoe  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 5:38:24pm

re: #14 windsagio

That's all good, but this goes back further than 2008.

17 darthstar  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 5:38:31pm

re: #13 marjoriemoon

Is that the bald guy?

I think McCain still has a comb-over.

18 What, me worry?  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 5:38:41pm

re: #13 marjoriemoon

Is that the bald guy?

Egads, Walter is going to accuse me of being anti-hair... or maybe that's anti-scalp.

19 albusteve  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 5:38:49pm

re: #14 windsagio

"Government isn't doing anything!"
Mandatory response post.

too little, too late...if you renounce the notion that the feds have left the border open for political purposes, you need you head examined

20 What, me worry?  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 5:39:19pm

re: #17 darthstar

I think McCain still has a comb-over.

heh No the ad where he's talking to the sheriff.

21 windsagio  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 5:39:22pm

re: #16 Ojoe

My point was to hopefully have you re-examine that particular talking point. The government has been doing alot of work all along, its just a nigh-impossible job.

22 McSpiff  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 5:39:40pm

re: #19 albusteve

too little, too late...if you renounce the notion that the feds have left the border open for political purposes, you need you head examined

Wait, if I don't believe there was a conspiracy to allow illegal immigration... I'm the crazy one?

23 albusteve  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 5:39:55pm

re: #17 darthstar

I think McCain still has a comb-over.

a natural loser....comb overs are a fail

24 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 5:40:03pm

re: #18 marjoriemoon

Egads, Walter is going to accuse me of being anti-hair... or maybe that's anti-scalp.

And what does that mean?

25 What, me worry?  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 5:40:36pm

re: #24 Walter L. Newton

And what does that mean?

lol Gotcha!

26 albusteve  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 5:41:17pm

re: #22 McSpiff

Wait, if I don't believe there was a conspiracy to allow illegal immigration... I'm the crazy one?

I didn't say it was a conspiracy....otherwise yes

27 windsagio  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 5:41:26pm

re: #19 albusteve

too little, too late...if you renounce the notion that the feds have left the border open for political purposes, you need you head examined

Oh, i renounce the notion that the feds have left the border open for political purposes i need i head examined.

28 McSpiff  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 5:42:25pm

re: #26 albusteve

I didn't say it was a conspiracy...otherwise yes

Fine, scratch conspiracy... are you saying allowing illegal immigration was a deliberate policy?

29 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 5:42:49pm

re: #25 marjoriemoon

lol Gotcha!

Got shit... I want to know what were you making reference too?

30 jamesfirecat  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 5:42:52pm

One of us, one of us, one of us, one of us, one of us, one of us, ONE OF US!

31 albusteve  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 5:43:13pm

re: #28 McSpiff

Fine, scratch conspiracy... are you saying allowing illegal immigration was a deliberate policy?

of course

32 What, me worry?  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 5:43:18pm

re: #29 Walter L. Newton

Got shit... I want to know what were you making reference too?

It was a joke. Chill.

33 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 5:43:38pm

re: #18 marjoriemoon

Egads, Walter is going to accuse me of being anti-hair... or maybe that's anti-scalp.

nah...you didn't say it was a bad thing...you just called it like it is

34 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 5:44:32pm

re: #29 Walter L. Newton

Got shit... I want to know what were you making reference too?

heh...it's not often i see you beaten at your own game...

35 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 5:44:36pm

re: #33 Aceofwhat?

nah...you didn't say it was a bad thing...you just called it like it is

I want to know why am am being called out in an attempt to bait me into saying something I don't even know what the fuck you are talking about... you too Ace?

36 What, me worry?  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 5:45:09pm

re: #33 Aceofwhat?

nah...you didn't say it was a bad thing...you just called it like it is

Hey where ya been? Haven't seen you around lately.

37 McSpiff  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 5:45:16pm

re: #31 albusteve

of course

Steve, meet Hanlon. Hanlon, Steve.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

38 jamesfirecat  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 5:45:27pm

re: #16 Ojoe

That's all good, but this goes back further than 2008.

Well then by all means lets blame the current Obama Administration for problems that came about before they were in power, I hear that's very popular in economics these days!

39 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 5:46:14pm

So when exactly do we stop pretending that these freaks are fascists?

When do people stop hyperventilating when the repugnant realities of the early Nazis and the atrocious present Nazi wannabes in the tea party are said out loud?

40 Ojoe  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 5:46:29pm

re: #38 jamesfirecat

I said succession of administrations

41 darthstar  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 5:47:21pm

Here's a funny story. My very Republican brother has this sign on the corner of the street leading to his house now.

I had to take a pic and email it to him just for fun.

42 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 5:47:43pm

re: #39 LudwigVanQuixote

PIMF

So when exactly do we stop pretending that these freaks are not fascists?

When do people stop hyperventilating when the repugnant realities of the early Nazis and the atrocious present Nazi wannabes in the tea party are said out loud?

43 windsagio  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 5:48:04pm

re: #39 LudwigVanQuixote

I don't think you can be a nazi, unless you're SPECIFICALLY a nazi :p

you could use the adjective "Hitleresque" if you wanted tho ;)

44 windsagio  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 5:48:37pm

re: #42 LudwigVanQuixote

OK THAT MAKES ALOT MORE SENSE!

I thought you were... damn I don't even know.

Thanks for the clarification :D

45 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 5:48:46pm

re: #35 Walter L. Newton

I want to know why am am being called out in an attempt to bait me into saying something I don't even know what the fuck you are talking about... you too Ace?

oh, sure, you neeever make a joke at my expense...

46 McSpiff  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 5:48:50pm

re: #42 LudwigVanQuixote

PIMF

Paleo-Fascist, let's make it stick!

47 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 5:49:04pm

re: #5 Racer X

This crap just makes me ill.

I got into it the other day with a friend for emailing me racist crap. Why do people all of a sudden think this crap is OK?

We have a black president.

48 windsagio  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 5:49:16pm

re: #45 Aceofwhat?

Walter never jokes.

49 jamesfirecat  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 5:49:20pm

re: #40 Ojoe

I said succession of administrations

I know you did, but I feel that it is unrealistic to expect us to be able to police an entire boarder in the middle of f***ing nowhere.

Just to prove my point...

What would have had to be done for you to feel the border was secured?

50 What, me worry?  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 5:49:29pm

So is Sheriff Babeu actually tied to any of the nazis who are currently at the border? Who's that guy, JT Ready?

52 windsagio  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 5:50:12pm

re: #49 jamesfirecat

Of course it is, its more satisfying (and politically useful) to blame the gov't tho'

53 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 5:50:48pm

re: #45 Aceofwhat?

oh, sure, you neeever make a joke at my expense...

What joke... that's my problem... I didn't understand what the "funny" was in reference too. Maybe if someone would explain it to me, I could get a chuckle or get insulted, but if I don't understand it then it falls flat... I'm fucking trying to give you a chance to take a shot (if that's what you so badly want to do this evening) but you are making a bad go of it. Try harder.

54 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 5:50:50pm

re: #46 McSpiff

Paleo-Fascist, let's make it stick!

"When fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross.” Sinclair Lewis

55 windsagio  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 5:51:21pm

re: #54 Fozzie Bear

Of course that was easy to predict, because that's how it came into Italy, Spain, and Germany too :p

56 McSpiff  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 5:51:32pm

re: #53 Walter L. Newton

Oh come on Walter, no soap? Radio!

57 [deleted]  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 5:51:46pm
58 Gus  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 5:51:48pm

Couple more links:

"James Edwards" site:splcenter.org

Sheriff Paul Babeu, Pinal County, Arizona

59 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 5:51:52pm

re: #36 marjoriemoon

Hey where ya been? Haven't seen you around lately.

busybusybusy.

and spending more time with the kids at the beach. but i need a break from it, because my wife doesn't like to go during the day, so it's just me trying not to get two kids killed out there.

on the positive side, i'm officially brown enough now that if i don't check "Caucasian" in the box, i really am unknown/

60 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 5:51:57pm

re: #54 Fozzie Bear

"When fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross.” Sinclair Lewis

Someone is going to make a killing in the flag and cross tchotkes market

61 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 5:51:59pm

re: #51 Gus 802

Cached page of Arizona Sheriff puts America First! | JAMES EDWARDS

Articles from ADL on James Edwards:

Following a Four-Month Absence, White Supremacist James Edwards and the Political Cesspool Return to the Airwaves

General Google search of James Edwards at ADL.

James Edwards is a first-class racist scumbag. He's attacked me by name several times.

62 windsagio  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 5:52:28pm

re: #57 albusteve

By all means I'd love to hear your program to make people less interested in entering the country!

63 albusteve  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 5:52:38pm

re: #50 marjoriemoon

So is Sheriff Babeu actually tied to any of the nazis who are currently at the border? Who's that guy, JT Ready?

Ready Or Knot!
he's there

64 SteveMcG  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 5:53:53pm

re: #62 windsagio

By all means I'd love to hear your program to make people less interested in entering the country!

Right now the program is to make the gap between rich and poor so vast that people won't think it's worth crossing the border.

65 McSpiff  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 5:53:58pm

re: #62 windsagio

By all means I'd love to hear your program to make people less interested in entering the country!

I hear using terms like "Pakis" is the first phase.

66 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 5:54:26pm

re: #62 windsagio

By all means I'd love to hear your program to make people less interested in entering the country!

Without employers willing to flout the law, they would just be tourists.

67 windsagio  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 5:54:29pm

re: #65 McSpiff

I had actually let that slip, its hard to deal with while avoiding anger >>

68 What, me worry?  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 5:54:31pm

re: #53 Walter L. Newton

What joke... that's my problem... I didn't understand what the "funny" was in reference too. Maybe if someone would explain it to me, I could get a chuckle or get insulted, but if I don't understand it then it falls flat... I'm fucking trying to give you a chance to take a shot (if that's what you so badly want to do this evening) but you are making a bad go of it. Try harder.

I referred to "the bald guy" and I thought you might take offense to referring to someone's physical attribute so I was poking a little fun at you, is all.

69 jamesfirecat  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 5:54:38pm

re: #62 windsagio

By all means I'd love to hear your program to make people less interested in entering the country!

//I have a great plan! Lets cut taxes on the rich and deregulate corporations until the US becomes a defacto Oligarchy that is an even more hellish place to live than Mexico! After we've done that, presto the immigration problem will solve itself!

70 Achilles Tang  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 5:54:51pm

re: #53 Walter L. Newton

What joke... that's my problem... I didn't understand what the "funny" was in reference too. Maybe if someone would explain it to me, I could get a chuckle or get insulted, but if I don't understand it then it falls flat... I'm fucking trying to give you a chance to take a shot (if that's what you so badly want to do this evening) but you are making a bad go of it. Try harder.

Chill guys. Please.

71 albusteve  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 5:54:52pm

re: #64 SteveMcG

Right now the program is to make the gap between rich and poor so vast that people won't think it's worth crossing the border.

heh...maybe close to the truth

72 windsagio  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 5:55:00pm

re: #64 SteveMcG

We need the poor waaay poorer for that to work.
re: #66 Decatur Deb


The whole joke is that he didn't say 'illegally' at all ;)

73 McSpiff  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 5:55:09pm

re: #67 windsagio

I had actually let that slip, its hard to deal with while avoiding anger >>

Fuck that, if it would get you socked in the real world, I'll comment on it here.

74 Racer X  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 5:55:54pm

re: #65 McSpiff

I hear using terms like "Pakis" is the first phase.

I have an Indian friend - she uses that term all the time. No love lost between the two countries.

75 ghazidor  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 5:55:55pm

So we are supposed to be surprised that some idiot who thinks that building "the fence" is going to stop illegal immigration is also a racist? "Well shut my mouth!"


It is definitely going to be an interesting next couple of years as the utter crazies finish taking control of the Republican party, and flat out lie their asses off as often as possible to try to show they aren't 'really' crazy.

76 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 5:55:58pm

re: #53 Walter L. Newton

nevermind. it was lighthearted, but explaining jokes are never as fun as making them. no harm or baiting or stirring of the pot intended, oh duke of silken robes.

77 windsagio  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 5:56:05pm

re: #73 McSpiff

Oh by all means go for it, its just that Steve really wants a piece of me right now, so I"m trying to avoid giving him the confrontation he so craves.

You, on the other hand, can knock yourself out :)

78 What, me worry?  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 5:56:07pm

re: #59 Aceofwhat?

busybusybusy.

and spending more time with the kids at the beach. but i need a break from it, because my wife doesn't like to go during the day, so it's just me trying not to get two kids killed out there.

on the positive side, i'm officially brown enough now that if i don't check "Caucasian" in the box, i really am unknown/

lol be sure to bring you I.D.!

Sounds like fun. I don't do the beach much either these days. Good to see you though!

79 b_snark  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 5:57:07pm

re: #23 albusteve

a natural loser...comb overs are a fail

Look at my Avatar. What I carefully left out was the horrendous comb-over that starts on the other side of my head.

80 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 5:57:24pm

re: #68 marjoriemoon

I referred to "the bald guy" and I thought you might take offense to referring to someone's physical attribute so I was poking a little fun at you, is all.

Ok... now I understand what you were trying to do. Thank you for the explanation, it was very much appreciated and a tip of my hat for your clever connection to my aversion of hating on someone just because of some physical attribute that may not even be in the control of that poor defenseless human being. :)

81 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 5:57:58pm

re: #79 b_sharp

Look at my Avatar. What I carefully left out was the horrendous comb-over that starts on the other side of my head.

I'm Avant Garde

I have a comb under!!
(don't even ask!!)

82 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 5:58:37pm

re: #77 windsagio

Oh by all means go for it, its just that Steve really wants a piece of me right now, so I"m trying to avoid giving him the confrontation he so craves.

You, on the other hand, can knock yourself out :)

Oh come on, please, please, please... can I try, please, please... me, pick me, pick me... let me try...

83 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 5:58:46pm

re: #76 Aceofwhat?

nevermind. it was lighthearted, but explaining jokes are is never as fun as making them. no harm or baiting or stirring of the pot intended, oh duke of silken robes.



ugh. pimf.

84 windsagio  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 5:59:24pm

re: #82 Walter L. Newton

feel free to get as offended by the term "Paki" as you like!

85 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 5:59:29pm

re: #78 marjoriemoon

lol be sure to bring you I.D.!

Sounds like fun. I don't do the beach much either these days. Good to see you though!

likewise, my fellow Floridian!

86 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 5:59:33pm

re: #76 Aceofwhat?

nevermind. it was lighthearted, but explaining jokes are never as fun as making them. no harm or baiting or stirring of the pot intended, oh duke of silken robes.

"Are" hey... you're using my pronouns... you can't do that.

87 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:00:01pm

re: #79 b_sharp

Look at my Avatar. What I carefully left out was the horrendous comb-over that starts on the other side of my head.

shave it. shave it all.

88 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:00:05pm

I see Michael Totten has joined the PJM. What a waste of his credibility.

89 windsagio  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:00:06pm

re: #83 Aceofwhat?

dude, if you're ognna fix that way, at least make it 'a joke is' or 'jokes are'.

'Jokes is' is just agonizing >>

90 albusteve  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:00:13pm

re: #79 b_sharp

Look at my Avatar. What I carefully left out was the horrendous comb-over that starts on the other side of my head.

I don't really mean to sound mean...but there are some hilarious attempts to hide the pate...I have a lot of hair left and I wear it long, so balding sounds interesting

91 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:00:30pm

re: #84 windsagio

feel free to get as offended by the term "Paki" as you like!

I'm really left of center tonight... what does Paki have to do with anything...

92 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:00:46pm

re: #89 windsagio

dude, if you're ognna fix that way, at least make it 'a joke is' or 'jokes are'.

'Jokes is' is just agonizing >>

Noted,,, "ognna"!

93 Gus  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:00:51pm

re: #61 Charles

James Edwards is a first-class racist scumbag. He's attacked me by name several times.

Sheriff Paul Babeu took the opportunity to speak to a part of his base. This also says a great deal about Sheriff Paul Babeu. How can a political person like Babeu walk into a sewer like "Political Cesspool" without knowing their background? He knew what he was walking into.

94 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:01:10pm

re: #88 Killgore Trout

I see Michael Totten has joined the PJM. What a waste of his credibility.

I pointed this out about 2-3 weeks ago... he has no credibility now that he is connected to that place.

95 Achilles Tang  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:01:43pm

re: #65 McSpiff

I hear using terms like "Pakis" is the first phase.

I don't know about this. An abbreviation for a people doesn't automatically mean an insult, but if meant as one, who is going to disguise it to begin with?

..in the eye of the beholder..

96 darthstar  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:02:03pm

re: #89 windsagio

dude, if you're ognna fix that way, at least make it 'a joke is' or 'jokes are'.

'Jokes is' is just agonizing >>

Actually, Ace is grammatically correct "explaining jokes" isn't a plural so much as it's a singular action, the explaining of jokes. The correct verb is, in fact, is.

97 McSpiff  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:02:14pm

re: #74 Racer X

I have an Indian friend - she uses that term all the time. No love lost between the two countries.

I've heard indians say some truly vile things about Pakistanis, consider me unconvinced. You wouldn't be using that term around any Pakistanis I know.

98 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:02:21pm

re: #78 marjoriemoon

lol be sure to bring you I.D.!

Sounds like fun. I don't do the beach much either these days. Good to see you though!

what's funny is that my daughter (8) loves swimming, she's a natural, snorkels like a champion, but is afraid to boogieboard. my son (5) is afraid to put his head under the water, but loves to boogieboard.

riddle me that...

99 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:02:24pm

re: #88 Killgore Trout

I see Michael Totten has joined the PJM. What a waste of his credibility.

I'm no longer surprised by anything.

I can't even imagine how tense and weird the vibe must be at PJ Media these days. It was already miserable when I was there.

100 albusteve  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:02:36pm

re: #91 Walter L. Newton

I'm really left of center tonight... what does Paki have to do with anything...

it proclaims my bigotry...stay tuned for more

101 Racer X  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:02:55pm

How To Wash Your Hair Scientifically

Youtube Video
102 windsagio  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:03:09pm

re: #96 darthstar

It kills me nevertheless!

103 What, me worry?  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:03:27pm

re: #80 Walter L. Newton

Ok... now I understand what you were trying to do. Thank you for the explanation, it was very much appreciated and a tip of my hat for your clever connection to my aversion of hating on someone just because of some physical attribute that may not even be in the control of that poor defenseless human being. :)

I made Walter smile. My work here is done.

:>

Got to jet out. BBL

104 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:03:28pm

re: #100 albusteve

it proclaims my bigotry...stay tuned for more

Oh... I see... you used the term "Paki." It's had to keep up with all the bigotry and racism... sorry.

105 windsagio  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:03:29pm

re: #91 Walter L. Newton

Its a racial slur man, (admittedly mostly in the UK).

106 Eclectic Infidel  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:03:51pm

re: #12 albusteve

carrying a Bible with a smile from ear to ear...good hair too, and the right shoes...it's coming

It's going to be one heck of a freak show.

107 windsagio  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:03:54pm

re: #104 Walter L. Newton

Don't worry steve has assured us that he's not a racist.


He just defends them :D

108 McSpiff  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:04:10pm

re: #95 Naso Tang

I don't know about this. An abbreviation for a people doesn't automatically mean an insult, but if meant as one, who is going to disguise it to begin with?

..in the eye of the beholder..

'Paki' isn't used as an abbreviation. At least where I'm from. Its no "n" word, but its not something used in polite conversation that's for sure.

109 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:04:18pm

re: #89 windsagio

dude, if you're ognna fix that way, at least make it 'a joke is' or 'jokes are'.

'Jokes is' is just agonizing >>

heh, that's how i was suckered into the mistake...odd sentence construction + distractions = grammar fail.

(and before you say it...you were warned there would be math/)

110 albusteve  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:05:05pm

re: #104 Walter L. Newton

Oh... I see... you used the term "Paki." It's had to keep up with all the bigotry and racism... sorry.

not worth the effort

111 Nimed  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:05:11pm

Wow. These guys are very candid about their agenda. Political Cesspool statement of principles (no link):

1- The United States government should be independent of any international organization of governments and American law should not be imposed by organizations such as the United Nations.

2- America would not be as prosperous, ruggedly individualistic, and a land of opportunity if the founding stock were not Europeans.

3- Since family is the foundation of any strong society, we are against feminism, abortion, and primitivism.

4- Private property rights are inviolable. They come from our God-given right to life.

5- We wish to revive the White birthrate above replacement level fertility and beyond to grow the percentage of Whites in the world relative to other races.

6- Issues such as education, environmental law, and police should be decentralized down to the lowest level to insure natural rights and efficiency.

7- Secession is a right of all people and individuals. It was successful in 1776 and this show honors those who tried to make it successful in 1865.

8- We are cultural conservatives because we have certain morals to which we adhere. We are against homosexuality, vulgarity, loveless sex, and masochism.

9- We wish for American government to stop interfering politically, militarily, and socially outside of the borders of the United States of America. We want non-interventionism.

112 McSpiff  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:05:11pm

re: #105 windsagio

Its a racial slur man, (admittedly mostly in the UK).

Same here. Its like wetback or spic.

113 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:05:12pm

re: #109 Aceofwhat?

heh, that's how i was suckered into the mistake...odd sentence construction + distractions = grammar fail.

(and before you say it...you were warned there would be math/)

The dog ate my homework

114 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:05:31pm

re: #95 Naso Tang

I don't know about this. An abbreviation for a people doesn't automatically mean an insult, but if meant as one, who is going to disguise it to begin with?

..in the eye of the beholder..

It's the equivalent "N" word of the sub continent.

115 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:05:53pm

re: #107 windsagio

Don't worry steve has assured us that he's not a racist.

He just defends them :D

FYI...

The abbreviation Paki acquired offensive connotations in the 1960s when used by British tabloids to refer to subjects of former colony states in a derogatory and racist manner. In modern British usage "Paki" is typically used in a derogatory way as a label for all South Asians, including Indians, Afghans and Bangladeshis. To a lesser extent, the term has been applied as a racial slur towards Arabs and other Middle Eastern-looking groups who may resemble South Asians. During the 60's many emigrants were also dubbed as "black" to further segregrate them from the white community. Some would say such a division still exists in parts of England.

In recent times there has been a trend by second and third-generation British Pakistanis to reclaim the word. The word has been turned into a keepsake for the young British Pakistani community that is not acceptable for someone outside the community to say it, including Indians and Bangladeshis.

[Link: en.wiktionary.org...]

116 albusteve  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:06:47pm

re: #106 eclectic infidel

It's going to be one heck of a freak show.

50/50 at this point...I can see a pseudo theocracy in my lifetime...and worse to follow

117 windsagio  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:06:57pm

re: #115 Walter L. Newton

Which is very similar to another word (which I"m not gonna say, naturally), especially in that last bit.

Its fairly common for oppressed groups to reclaim terms like that.

118 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:08:03pm

I'm back, but not recovered, from a trip to the daughters' houses. On the way, I passed, the Anniston "Where's the Birth Certificate?" billboard, the SCV's second-largest rebel flag, and a billboard referencing this heritage art website, the SCV's equivalent of the Franklin Mint. Old Times here are not forgotten.

[Link: webcache.googleusercontent.com...]

(This is a cache image.)

119 Gus  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:08:04pm

Don't forget to Tweet and Re-Tweet.

120 albusteve  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:08:14pm

re: #107 windsagio

Don't worry steve has assured us that he's not a racist.

He just defends them :D

pretty juicy cast you put me in...care to elaborate?

121 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:08:17pm

Speaking of fascists. I think it is important to point out another right wing fascist monster who has been getting some loving on the far right again lately.

Let us talk about Augusto Pinochet.

For those who are not familiar with this wretched and vile abomination. He led a military coup in Chile in 1973, with the backing of the Nixon administration, that overthrew the elected government and sealed control of his power by becoming a dictator and massacring his opponents.

Under his horrible rule, thousands of people were disappeared by secret police. Torture was common place. Some reports have estimates of over 30,000 tortured. This by the way, was gruesome and primitive torture, there can be no debate about pliers and electric shocks to testicles or eyes being horrors. Summary execution was common place. Freedom of speech was abrogated with threats of death to oneself and one's family.

Pinochet was eventually removed from power when he lost the support of the army and a non rigged plebiscite voted him out of office in 1988. He then became senator for life. At the time of his death in 2006, over 300 criminal charges were still pending against him in Chile for heinous human rights violations, tax evasion and embezzlement from the government. This scum was accused of having corruptly amassed a wealth of over $28 million while dictator.

Yet, certain insane wingnuts love this monster.

I never thought I would hear anyone go and argue that there was anything good or noble about this sick monster who was very much in the mold of Saddam Hussein - another monster whom we installed in power during that period. However through historical revisionism at we see him being rehabilitated.

Have no doubts. The people in the teabag movement like this sort of man. If they did not, they would not have the projection fears that they place on Obama so much. They are afraid that Obama will do to them what they want to do to others. The idea of getting rid of pesky human rights for those he does not like though, very much appeals to them.

How many of you have heard wingnuts debating if torture is OK? Answer, quite a few - even on these pages.

How many GOP types and even worse, Teabags routinely show nothing but contempt for the constitution and American liberties?

Make no doubts. We are looking at sick fascist cretins. For them, politics is not the democratic American inclusive ideal, but rather a brutal and exclusive ideal designed to control academic and personal political and religious liberties and to brutally keep certain "undesirables" down.

122 jamesfirecat  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:08:39pm

re: #111 Nimed

Wow. These guys are very candid about their agenda. Political Cesspool statement of principles (no link):

3- Since family is the foundation of any strong society, we are against feminism, abortion, and primitivism.

I don't even know what "primitivism" is....

(Checks)

Wait, these people are against the ideas that things were better in the past?

123 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:08:49pm

re: #105 windsagio

Its a racial slur man, (admittedly mostly in the UK).

what's really fun is, when they're already worked up about something, to tell them that it's all the same subcontinent to you;)

(lots of east asians at Case...fertile ground for good sarcasm)

124 Achilles Tang  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:09:07pm

re: #105 windsagio

Its a racial slur man, (admittedly mostly in the UK).

But not in India, where they are the same people (never mind the religious crap). So now one has to declare ones genetic origins to make sure ones words are properly interpreted.

It's like parts of the USA where the word hoodlum is taken to mean the people of da hood..

Ain't life just fascinating?/

125 windsagio  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:09:10pm

re: #120 albusteve

pretty juicy cast you put me in...care to elaborate?

Oh, i put you in care to elaborate.

126 windsagio  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:09:30pm

re: #121 LudwigVanQuixote

Sounds like the Shah.

127 McSpiff  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:09:52pm

re: #115 Walter L. Newton

Thank you for the explanation. Around here Arabs, Persian/Iranians, Indians all get labeled "Paki". Its not an abbreviation for Pakistani, it roughly means "brown person I suspect is a terrorist".

128 darthstar  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:09:56pm

re: #124 Naso Tang

But not in India, where they are the same people (never mind the religious crap). So now one has to declare ones genetic origins to make sure ones words are properly interpreted.

It's like parts of the USA where the word hoodlum is taken to mean the people of da hood..

Ain't life just fascinating?/

I use the term 'thuglet' to refer to young wanna be thugs in the city.

129 windsagio  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:10:02pm

re: #124 Naso Tang

Well given that we're not in India, its probably best not to use it :P

130 Ebetty  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:10:31pm

We are primarily a PR firm but, occasionally work with a top 3 Opposition Research company (my fmr boss was a partner there). Our vetting reports always include info about racist ties, dirty financial dealings, crisis communication points. Why Fox doesn't do this as well says more than all the hyperbolic bloviating from Hannity, et al. The RNC during the W years had a fleet of vetters, until Tom DeLay's crowd took over in 2006 for that catastrophic failure of a midterm campaign.

Racists simply have to be expelled, loudly. If someone auto-selects another option, then to hell with 'em. Yeah, I know, both sides do this crap. But the whole racist thing ticks me off.

131 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:10:39pm

re: #124 Naso Tang

So now one has to declare ones genetic origins to make sure ones words are properly interpreted.

Not at all.

132 Achilles Tang  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:10:41pm

re: #114 wozzablog

It's the equivalent "N" word of the sub continent.

I lived in the Middle East for many years. There were plenty of Pakis about and it was just a convenient word. No insult.

133 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:10:58pm

re: #111 Nimed

Wow. These guys are very candid about their agenda. Political Cesspool statement of principles (no link):

In other words, these are utter Anti-American scum.

134 windsagio  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:11:14pm

re: #124 Naso Tang

So now one has to declare ones genetic origins to make sure ones words are properly interpreted.

Missed this, thats pretty ugly man.

135 albusteve  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:11:20pm

re: #125 windsagio

Oh, i put you in care to elaborate.

you say I defend racists, and this is your reply?...this from a person that defends terrorists from Gaza?

136 Achilles Tang  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:11:34pm

re: #129 windsagio

Well given that we're not in India, its probably best not to use it :P

I get that message now.

137 windsagio  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:12:17pm

re: #135 albusteve

you say I defend racists, and this is your reply?...this from a person that defends terrorists from Gaza?

Oh, i say you defend racists and this is my reply this from a person that defends terrorists from gaza.

138 McSpiff  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:12:31pm

re: #132 Naso Tang

I lived in the Middle East for many years. There were plenty of Pakis about and it was just a convenient word. No insult.

Right, and now you've been informed that for many people(as in millions), it is an insult.

139 darthstar  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:12:34pm

re: #135 albusteve

you say I defend racists, and this is your reply?...this from a person that defends terrorists from Gaza?

Time for one of these.

140 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:12:35pm

re: #105 windsagio

Its a racial slur man, (admittedly mostly in the UK).

Granted, the UK did sorta invade the subcontinent during the whole "empire" phase...maybe it should be something that everyone but the British should be allowed to say?

141 McSpiff  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:13:28pm

re: #140 Aceofwhat?

Granted, the UK did sorta invade the subcontinent during the whole "empire" phase...maybe it should be something that everyone but the British should be allowed to say?

Maybe if the people you're using it to refer to view it as an insult, you should stop.

142 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:13:40pm

re: #126 windsagio

Sounds like the Shah.

Yeah and look how well backing him turned out for us? Kinda like it worked so well for us when we backed Batista and Bau Dai and Somoza or for that matter Saddam Hussein.

143 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:13:49pm

re: #132 Naso Tang

I lived in the Middle East for many years. There were plenty of Pakis about and it was just a convenient word. No insult.

Amid primarily WASPish company - it's an insult and a general slur against anyone and everyone hailing from the Sub Continent.

Young men of that origin in western countrys are trying to reclaim it like the "N" word is being reclaimed, but it's still a pretty big fricking taboo.

144 windsagio  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:13:53pm

re: #140 Aceofwhat?

If its used as a slur somewhere, it seems best not to use it.

Can Germans or Japanese say (well, you know)? They didn't have anything to do with slavery or black people in general :p

145 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:14:14pm

re: #127 McSpiff

Thank you for the explanation. Around here Arabs, Persian/Iranians, Indians all get labeled "Paki". Its not an abbreviation for Pakistani, it roughly means "brown person I suspect is a terrorist".

wait, i thought Canada was tolerant/

146 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:14:34pm

re: #141 McSpiff

Maybe if the people you're using it to refer to view it as an insult, you should stop.

it was a joke, Francis.

147 Achilles Tang  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:14:43pm

re: #134 windsagio

Missed this, thats pretty ugly man.

There's nothing ugly about it. You piss me off with your childish sensibilities, not to mention your trembling dingaling.

It was a statement of fact. A description of where a word was not meant as interpreted by your little mind, and you still call it ugly.

Grow up child.

148 windsagio  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:14:46pm

re: #142 LudwigVanQuixote

BUT THERE WAS A WAR GOING ON!

(seriously you're exactly right. Across the world we're still paying the price for the decisions we made in that era.)

149 McSpiff  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:14:59pm

re: #145 Aceofwhat?

wait, i thought Canada was tolerant/

I'm going to do an LGF page on Canadian racism. It'll be eye opening for many, I guarantee it.

150 Eclectic Infidel  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:15:05pm

re: #111 Nimed

"and primitivism.."

What is that, exactly?

151 windsagio  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:15:19pm

re: #147 Naso Tang

Good lord. what is this, 28 days later?

152 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:15:51pm

THE NERD RAGE VIRUS

153 McSpiff  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:16:20pm

re: #147 Naso Tang

I can drop you off in a few apartment blocks where you wouldn't even be able to say the word "childish" after calling people "pakis".

154 albusteve  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:16:26pm

re: #137 windsagio

Oh, i say you defend racists and this is my reply this from a person that defends terrorists from gaza.

if this is an example of your dialog on the subject, then why did you snipe and snark to raise the issue of me defending racists?...you do remember what Cato told you....this is an example

155 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:16:58pm

re: #152 Fozzie Bear

also, don't feed us after midnight. or make us wet.

156 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:17:06pm

re: #147 Naso Tang

There's nothing ugly about it. You piss me off with your childish sensibilities, not to mention your trembling dingaling.

It was a statement of fact. A description of where a word was not meant as interpreted by your little mind, and you still call it ugly.

Grow up child.

dude, i didn't think it was ugly either, but this certainly was.

157 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:17:10pm

re: #143 wozzablog

Amid primarily WASPish company - it's an insult and a general slur against anyone and everyone hailing from the Sub Continent.

Young men of that origin in western countrys are trying to reclaim it like the "N" word is being reclaimed, but it's still a pretty big fricking taboo.

It's weird, but there is no ethnic group referred to. "Pakistan" is an acronym.

158 albusteve  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:17:10pm

re: #139 darthstar

Time for one of these.

dude, I have to snort it first

159 windsagio  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:17:24pm

re: #154 albusteve

if this is an example of your dialog on the subject, then why did you snipe and snark to raise the issue of me defending racists?...you do remember what Cato told you...this is an example

Do you wish that this is an example of my dialog on the subject then why did i snipe and snark to raise the issue of you defending racistsyou do remember what cato told i this is an example?

160 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:17:48pm

re: #154 albusteve

if this is an example of your dialog on the subject, then why did you snipe and snark to raise the issue of me defending racists?...you do remember what Cato told you...this is an example

Well Steve he is clear about the Use of the N word and you are not. I honestly don't think you are racist as much as you just enjoy being a prick. How about you piss off with the troll stuff.

161 Nimed  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:18:24pm

re: #122 jamesfirecat

3- Since family is the foundation of any strong society, we are against feminism, abortion, and primitivism.

I don't even know what "primitivism" is...

(Checks)

Wait, these people are against the ideas that things were better in the past?

I have no idea why. Many of the things they are for were much more widespread in the past.

162 Achilles Tang  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:18:50pm

re: #143 wozzablog

Amid primarily WASPish company - it's an insult and a general slur against anyone and everyone hailing from the Sub Continent.

Young men of that origin in western countrys are trying to reclaim it like the "N" word is being reclaimed, but it's still a pretty big fricking taboo.

When I hear it from someone who most likely never graduated from school, I will interpret it correctly. Do you think I need to be explained that?

I thought this discussion was relating to how and where words are interpreted.

I seem to have assumed too much of the audience.

Time to pour a drink I think.

bbl

163 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:19:34pm

re: #161 Nimed

I have no idea why. Many of the things they are for were much more widespread in the past.

Primitivism is the belief that life was better or more moral during the early stages of mankind or among primitive peoples...

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

164 Achilles Tang  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:19:46pm

re: #153 McSpiff

I can drop you off in a few apartment blocks where you wouldn't even be able to say the word "childish" after calling people "pakis".

Are those where they don't know how to spell disrespect?/

165 windsagio  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:20:11pm

re: #163 Walter L. Newton

Wait so they say they're against it, but everything the say is for it?

Brainfart central there.

166 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:20:27pm

re: #137 windsagio

re: #159 windsagio

My son used to do that
he thought it funny
he used to be 4!

167 [deleted]  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:20:29pm
168 engineer cat  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:20:51pm

2- America would not be as prosperous, ruggedly individualistic, and a land of opportunity if the founding stock were not Europeans.

then put down that remote and get your ruggedly individualistic ass out into the woods and git me some food dagnabbit

8- We are cultural conservatives because we have certain morals to which we adhere. We are against homosexuality, vulgarity, loveless sex, and maso

i thought i tole you to put down that remote!

169 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:21:04pm

re: #143 wozzablog

Amid primarily WASPish company - it's an insult and a general slur against anyone and everyone hailing from the Sub Continent.

not really. i'm sure it's an insult to some.

170 windsagio  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:21:07pm

re: #166 sattv4u2

What did he do?

171 albusteve  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:21:43pm

re: #160 LudwigVanQuixote

Well Steve he is clear about the Use of the N word and you are not. I honestly don't think you are racist as much as you just enjoy being a prick. How about you piss off with the troll stuff.

heh...you can do better, push the envelope big shot...go for it

172 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:21:49pm

re: #157 Decatur Deb

It's weird, but there is no ethnic group referred to. "Pakistan" is an acronym.

Pakistan is a country of British design, hived off from India and East Pakistan in 1947.
Large numbers of Pakistani people settled in Britain creating resentment among the WASPish - who created (oh so wittly) the term of abuse, and thenceforth applied it to everyone of roughly the same skin colour.

(sorry if i've missed yourpoint, i'm not sure what you meant)

173 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:21:55pm

re: #170 windsagio

What did he do?

What did he do?

(get it now??)

174 Achilles Tang  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:22:00pm

re: #163 Walter L. Newton

Primitivism is the belief that life was better or more moral during the early stages of mankind or among primitive peoples...

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Or, the corollary is called Presentism (a word I learned here) where one thinks everyone in the past thought just as we do, in similar circumstances.

175 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:22:21pm

re: #167 albusteve

I don't give a fuck about your backdoor insults...I use Paki for short, no more no less...and I could care less about your Canadian experience

Steve, it's racist and you know it. Unlike some others, I don't think you are that stupid. I think you know exactly what you are saying. That is what makes you worse.

176 Racer X  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:22:32pm

ppfftt.

177 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:22:33pm

re: #163 Walter L. Newton

Primitivism is the belief that life was better or more moral during the early stages of mankind or among primitive peoples...

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

I'm betting they intend it as atavistic or tribal--"third world".

178 windsagio  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:22:42pm

re: #173 sattv4u2

I think its clear that you don't know what *I* did :p

Or to put it another way,

"Does that question interest you?"

179 Nimed  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:23:24pm

re: #133 LudwigVanQuixote

In other words, these are utter Anti-American scum.

Yeah, basically. I'm not crazy about the word "scum" (PC alert :) ), but it definitely applies in this case. These guys are cartoonishly evil.

180 [deleted]  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:23:41pm
181 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:23:55pm

re: #104 Walter L. Newton

Oh... I see... you used the term "Paki." It's had to keep up with all the bigotry and racism... sorry.

Why normally you would be concerned about such things... You really are a hypocrite as well as a loser.

182 b_snark  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:23:57pm

re: #90 albusteve

I don't really mean to sound mean...but there are some hilarious attempts to hide the pate...I have a lot of hair left and I wear it long, so balding sounds interesting

I used to have long curly hair, half way down my back (a sort of dark haired Robert Plant), but even then I knew I would start to bald in my '50s because both my grandfather and father did. My grandfather didn't try to hide it but my father sure did, even now at 78 he still has a comb over. I decided back then to just shave it all off when it started to thin.

183 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:24:28pm

re: #172 wozzablog

Just that it's not a corruption or diminutive for any single ethnic group.

184 McSpiff  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:24:29pm

re: #164 Naso Tang

Are those where they don't know how to spell disrespect?/

Sure. Whatever you need to tell yourself, you racist fuck.

185 windsagio  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:24:33pm

re: #175 LudwigVanQuixote

I don't think anyone thinks he's that stupid.

Its entirely intentional, and we all know it (just only a few of us actually mention it :P)

186 researchok  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:24:41pm

I wish the same amount of heat would be applied to MSNBC for keep Pat Buchanan as a regular guest.

187 Gus  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:24:59pm

Image: popcorn-bags.jpg

188 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:25:10pm

Friggin Frakkin MTV ,,

BR ,, (and WTF are the "DO SOMETHING AWARDS"?!?!?!)

189 windsagio  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:25:37pm

re: #183 Decatur Deb

Unless the racial group is "South Asians Regardless of actual ethnicity". Its applied to Indians as well as Pakistanis.

190 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:25:42pm

re: #111 Nimed

Wow. These guys are very candid about their agenda. Political Cesspool statement of principles (no link):

You could just replace that has "Death to America" and it would work. They claim to love America, but they really hate it.

191 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:25:43pm

re: #184 McSpiff

Sure. Whatever you need to tell yourself, you racist fuck.

i come here to not have to bother with posts like this...thaaanks...

192 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:26:42pm

Am I late to the evening squabble?

193 Ebetty  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:26:43pm

re: #186 researchok

Amen. Buchanan is a bit before my time (I'm in my 20s) but my fmr Boss has a couple of ugly stories about that guy from her first days in Virginia. Buchanan is such a dinosaur, and a full on racist.

194 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:26:49pm

re: #185 windsagio

I don't think anyone thinks he's that stupid.

Its entirely intentional, and we all know it (just only a few of us actually mention it :P)

That's ok I reported all the comments. Eventually CJ will get tired of his trolling too.

195 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:27:03pm

re: #187 Gus 802

brilliant timing there-

196 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:27:16pm

re: #192 Killgore Trout

Am I late to the evening squabble?

Stevo is as confused about the slur Paki as he was about the N word.

197 windsagio  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:27:19pm

re: #191 Aceofwhat?

you might wanna take a break then, looks like its gonna get a bit rocky from here on out :)

198 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:27:27pm

re: #192 Killgore Trout

Am I late to the evening squabble?

yes, but fashionably. the party's still rocking/

199 McSpiff  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:27:31pm

re: #191 Aceofwhat?

i come here to not have to bother with posts like this...thaaanks...

And I came here for a forum that doesn't accept racial slurs.

200 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:27:41pm

re: #189 windsagio

Unless the racial group is "South Asians Regardless of actual ethnicity". Its applied to Indians as well as Pakistanis.

That's like calling them "Fred", but with ill intent. Once again, the evil is in the context and purpose, not the syllable.

201 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:27:54pm

re: #180 albusteve

re: #181 LudwigVanQuixote

Let's not fight. If we do that, then Charles will just start handing out timeouts again.

202 albusteve  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:27:57pm

re: #182 b_sharp

I used to have long curly hair, half way down my back (a sort of dark haired Robert Plant), but even then I knew I would start to bald in my '50s because both my grandfather and father did. My grandfather didn't try to hide it but my father sure did, even now at 78 he still has a comb over. I decided back then to just shave it all off when it started to thin.

bald or thin haired heads can look pretty acceptable to me these days...I just still have a lot of hair for my age...I'm not vain about it, other than the length...if it pisses me I shave it all off with my trusty shaver thing...I do that before my surgeries...bald is cool

203 TheMatrix31  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:28:02pm

Hmm...I wonder if "Armo" is a racist word too.

204 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:28:33pm

re: #197 windsagio

you might wanna take a break then, looks like its gonna get a bit rocky from here on out :)

yeah, i'm thinking about it.

205 Gus  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:28:34pm

re: #195 Aceofwhat?

brilliant timing there-

Yeah. I'm watching this and listening to Glenn Beck on a link Killgore put up.

I should probably put myself on suicide watch.

206 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:28:37pm

re: #169 Aceofwhat?

not really. i'm sure it's an insult to some.

Growing up in mixed neighbourhoods with first, second and third generation immigrants from the sub continent - it's an insult.
In Britain and Australia i can attest, when it's used by someone outside the community, it's an insult.

207 windsagio  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:28:42pm

re: #200 Decatur Deb

But history and context are everything for this. "N--" doesn't mean anything in of itself either (except as a corruption of another word). Its offensive because of its history and context.

208 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:28:51pm

re: #181 LudwigVanQuixote

Why normally you would be concerned about such things... You really are a hypocrite as well as a loser.

Luddy... go play with Steve... you're not even in tune with what I am talking about... I am certainly not supporting the use of the word... and didn't support the use of the word and even linked to extra material explaining how the word is view in other parts of the world. You get so wrapped up in yourself that you fail to even realize when someone agrees with you.

Oh look... a butterfly...

209 Achilles Tang  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:29:14pm

re: #156 Aceofwhat?

dude, i didn't think it was ugly either, but this certainly was.

I respect your opinion, but it wasn't ugly, it was just a natural response to a serial dinger who mostly posts quips, or dings. Tiresome.

210 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:29:17pm

re: #203 TheMatrix31

Hmm...I wonder if "Armo" is a racist word too.

Excuse me? You're not really going to defend the Political Cesspool, are you?

211 researchok  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:29:38pm

re: #193 Ebetty

Amen. Buchanan is a bit before my time (I'm in my 20s) but my fmr Boss has a couple of ugly stories about that guy from her first days in Virginia. Buchanan is such a dinosaur, and a full on racist.

He's an out and out bigot and for a long time now, he's been an MSNBC darling. He's a caricature used and presented as an icon of the right.

212 McSpiff  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:29:45pm

re: #206 wozzablog

Its an insult in Canada too.

213 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:29:51pm

re: #201 Dark_Falcon

re: #181 LudwigVanQuixote

Let's not fight. If we do that, then Charles will just start handing out timeouts again.

I am not fighting DF. The man is using racial slurs and getting crotchety defending them while picking fights. This is repugnant.

DF, I like you very much, however, one of these days you are going to have to make stands rather than being so spineless.

214 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:29:51pm

re: #200 Decatur Deb

That's like calling them "Fred", but with ill intent. Once again, the evil is in the context and purpose, not the syllable.

See 206.

215 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:29:59pm

And by the way, I will not hesitate to hand out 24-hour timeouts if it's necessary to stop another stupid squabble.

216 TheMatrix31  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:30:03pm

re: #210 Charles

No, I was referring to the spat between LVQ, Steve, Windy, etc.

217 windsagio  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:30:20pm

re: #203 TheMatrix31

Had to look that up, whats your point... are you just looking for slang/slurs to throw in there?

218 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:30:22pm

re: #192 Killgore Trout

Am I late to the evening squabble?

Just scroll and read - that's what I'm trying to do.

219 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:30:38pm

re: #207 windsagio

Been preaching that for months.

220 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:30:49pm

re: #215 Charles

And by the way, I will not hesitate to hand out 24-hour timeouts if it's necessary to stop another stupid squabble.

Screw You!! /

221 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:30:57pm

re: #199 McSpiff

And I came here for a forum that doesn't accept racial slurs.

No, you come here for a forum that can have an adult discussion about whether a fringe slur should be broadly accepted as a slur across the board, or whether it's only a slur in certain instances or certain areas.

for example, it was neither used as one nor regarded as one at my school, and there were a whooole lot of east asians at my school.

see how grown-up i sound when i talk like this? give it a whirl.

222 windsagio  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:31:15pm

re: #219 Decatur Deb

I'm guessing then that we've come to different conclusions from the same premise then :P

223 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:31:17pm

re: #215 Charles

And by the way, I will not hesitate to hand out 24-hour timeouts if it's necessary to stop another stupid squabble.

I am not spatting. I am not thrilled by the slur Paki. I am less thrilled by people pretending it is not a racial slur.

224 albusteve  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:31:20pm

re: #196 LudwigVanQuixote

Stevo is as confused about the slur Paki as he was about the N word.

do you just make this stuff up?...do you have any proof behind your hysteria?.....wtf are you even talking about?

225 windsagio  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:31:49pm

re: #221 Aceofwhat?

Its not a 'fringe slur', its just not common in the US.

Huge difference.

226 Ebetty  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:32:07pm

re: #211 researchok

Yep and to make matters worse, its not even an honest representation. He hasn't been a part of the establishment for years, he isn't in office and shapes no policy. He's just a racist creep. Says a lot about Matthews that he acts so chummy with a guy like that.

227 TheMatrix31  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:32:10pm

re: #217 windsagio

I'm just wondering what qualifies. I know I don't get offended when people call me an Armo. I guess its contextual.

228 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:32:24pm

re: #224 albusteve

do you just make this stuff up?...do you have any proof behind your hysteria?...wtf are you even talking about?

I took the time to report the relevant posts of yours Steve, you can surely scroll up this very thread and read your own words if you have forgotten them.

229 windsagio  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:32:27pm

re: #223 LudwigVanQuixote

At risk of getting called to the carpet myself, I find myself wishing that those 'general warnings' were a bit more specific, really.

230 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:32:36pm

re: #213 LudwigVanQuixote

I am not fighting DF. The man is using racial slurs and getting crotchety defending them while picking fights. This is repugnant.

DF, I like you very much, however, one of these days you are going to have to make stands rather than being so spineless.

The thing is that when insults are being thrown, often all the people throwing them get in trouble, not just whoever started it. I'm trying to keeping things from reaching that point.

231 Randall Gross  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:32:57pm

One more thing about Political Cesspool -- James Edwards is tied tightly at the hip with the TN chapters of Council of Conservative Citizens, the white supremacist group Ann Coulter defended in her last book. You'll find him speaking at their engagements and his photo on their websites at least.

232 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:33:04pm

re: #183 Decatur Deb

Just that it's not a corruption or diminutive for any single ethnic group.

It is applied to anyone from the sub-continent, the user is rarely picky about where his target hails from - colour of skin and or accent are all it takes.

233 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:33:19pm

re: #206 wozzablog

Growing up in mixed neighbourhoods with first, second and third generation immigrants from the sub continent - it's an insult.
In Britain and Australia i can attest, when it's used by someone outside the community, it's an insult.

alrighty. i believe you. at american universities, or at least the one i attended, it's not an insult. it's shorthand.

234 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:33:23pm

re: #222 windsagio

I'm guessing then that we've come to different conclusions from the same premise then :P

Actually, I think we're agreeing, it just seems out of place.

235 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:33:34pm

re: #230 Dark_Falcon

The thing is that when insults are being thrown, often all the people throwing them get in trouble, not just whoever started it. I'm trying to keeping things from reaching that point.

I would call out someone who used any of the common slurs. It is not appropriate.

236 windsagio  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:33:47pm

re: #227 TheMatrix31

To answer your question straightly then, I've never heard it of a slur, and its mention in Urban Dictionary doesn't refer to it as such.

I still wouldn't be flining it around myself tho', since I"m not sure.

The other word in question is a well known racial slur in most of the English-speaking world.

237 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:33:48pm

re: #227 TheMatrix31

I'm just wondering what qualifies. I know I don't get offended when people call me an Armo. I guess its contextual.

What does Armo mean?

238 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:34:30pm

re: #237 Dark_Falcon

What does Armo mean?

Please don't use that word in mixed company.

239 researchok  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:34:38pm

re: #226 Ebetty

Yep and to make matters worse, its not even an honest representation. He hasn't been a part of the establishment for years, he isn't in office and shapes no policy. He's just a racist creep. Says a lot about Matthews that he acts so chummy with a guy like that.

I agree.

FOX News isn't the only network pandering to an agenda and base.

240 TheMatrix31  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:34:40pm

re: #237 Dark_Falcon

It's shorthand for "Armenian".

241 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:34:41pm

re: #225 windsagio

Its not a 'fringe slur', its just not common in the US.

Huge difference.

a fair point. and i will note that you managed to make your point without resorting to "racist fuck" or "fascist cretin", so i updinged you/

242 windsagio  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:34:51pm

re: #234 Decatur Deb

Huh? WE almost ALWAYS agree on stuff!

(that I can think of)

I'm just more of a bomb-thrower aboutr things :)

243 windsagio  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:34:59pm

re: #237 Dark_Falcon

What does Armo mean?

[Link: www.urbandictionary.com...]

244 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:34:59pm

re: #7 Charles

White supremacists one degree away from the GOP's presidential candidate. Good freaking grief.

I thought the Focus on the Family guys were bad, this is insane :(

245 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:35:06pm

re: #233 Aceofwhat?

alrighty. i believe you. at american universities, or at least the one i attended, it's not an insult. it's shorthand.

Okies, it's just advisable to be careful of it these days.

246 McSpiff  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:35:16pm

re: #221 Aceofwhat?

I guess where we disagree is about whether or not its a fringe slur. For me, with my experiences, its about as fringe as spic, chink or kyke. The fact that people are trying to tell me its no big deal is really shocking.

247 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:35:23pm

re: #238 Walter L. Newton

Please don't use that word in mixed company.

Understood. I'd never heard it before is all.

248 windsagio  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:35:37pm

re: #241 Aceofwhat?

You know how it is, unless one's at wits end, that kind of thing actually weakens your position in the long run.

249 theheat  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:35:48pm

McCain doesn't pick his cohorts very carefully. He warms up with Palin, then hits one out of the park with klukker Babeu. Yet, we're supposed to believe this doddering fossil - friend to epic dumbasses and world class shitstains - deserves to stay in office until he finally kicks it? Since when is hanging around with white supremacists something you casually wave off, like some minor oversight?

I never dreamed our country would become the hardline cesspool it has since Obama took office. I really thought I'd seen the worst with Bush Derangement Syndrome. Who would believe just a couple years later, BDS would only earn a PG rating?

The United States elects its first black president, and whitey goes into total meltdown crybaby mode, and makes hatin'-n-klukkin' the officially unofficial party policy of the GOP. It's incredible. And sickening. And yet, deep down, I kinda always figured the GOP for being exactly that.

250 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:35:58pm

re: #232 wozzablog

It is applied to anyone from the sub-continent, the user is rarely picky about where his target hails from - colour of skin and or accent are all it takes.

I would have expected more precision--is there no UK equivalent for Indians?

251 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:36:17pm

re: #238 Walter L. Newton

Please don't use that word in mixed company.

But you have no concern over "Paki"?

252 albusteve  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:36:21pm

re: #213 LudwigVanQuixote

I am not fighting DF. The man is using racial slurs and getting crotchety defending them while picking fights. This is repugnant.

DF, I like you very much, however, one of these days you are going to have to make stands rather than being so spineless.

if Paki is a racial slur, I am unaware of it...we might take a vote, or let Charles decide....how is Paki racist?...is Astan racists? or Brits? or Talis?...do you people sit around and make this OO up?....is there anything informative you can submit?

253 Randall Gross  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:36:31pm

re: #237 Dark_Falcon

Western US derogatory slang term for Armenian. You don't hear it most other areas of the country often.

254 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:36:48pm

re: #248 windsagio

You know how it is, unless one's at wits end, that kind of thing actually weakens your position in the long run.

exactly

255 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:37:03pm

re: #250 Decatur Deb

I would have expected more precision--is there no UK equivalent for Indians?

Nope, and you give casual racists too much credit in assuming they check birth certificates.

256 McSpiff  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:37:04pm

re: #250 Decatur Deb

I would have expected more precision--is there no UK equivalent for Indians?

Its used for anyone "brown" in Canada, that's where a large part of the insult comes from. Its total judgment on skin color, not even ethnicity.

257 Ebetty  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:37:08pm

BBL. Off to have a celebratory glass of wine with my former boss and new hero. Still can't believe she did this for me. But mostly, I want to know what would prompt a 30something successful businesswoman to walk away from everything, just in case I am ever given a chance to KEEP following in her very large footsteps.

Have a great night, everyone.

258 Ojoe  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:37:10pm

re: #249 theheat

And yet, deep down, I kinda always figured the GOP for being exactly that.

Extra tragic when you think that the GOP is Lincoln's party.

259 Digital Display  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:37:44pm

Quite the little war...Over what? I swear I never knew Paki was a racial slur..I never have posted that word here or at any blog..But I thought it was a short cut word..Not a slur...Honestly..The things you learn here while 5 inch Naval shells fly over head...

260 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:38:31pm

re: #246 McSpiff

I guess where we disagree is about whether or not its a fringe slur. For me, with my experiences, its about as fringe as spic, chink or kyke. The fact that people are trying to tell me its no big deal is really shocking.

i respect that. i am glad to have heard it from you and wozza and others. having had a different experience does not make one a racist fuck...just so we're clear.

(i realize the term wasn't directed at me, but it was unnecessary all the same)

261 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:38:37pm

re: #251 LudwigVanQuixote

re: #252 albusteve

if Paki is a racial slur, I am unaware of it...we might take a vote, or let Charles decide...how is Paki racist?...is Astan racists? or Brits? or Talis?...do you people sit around and make this OO up?...is there anything informative you can submit?

I already pointed it out WAY up thread (Ludwig, you go take a look too)... re: #115 Walter L. Newton

262 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:38:39pm

re: #242 windsagio

I'm tired, and being cryptic. "Seems out of place" for a discussion about disagreeableness.

263 albusteve  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:39:19pm

re: #228 LudwigVanQuixote

I took the time to report the relevant posts of yours Steve, you can surely scroll up this very thread and read your own words if you have forgotten them.

I've used the name for over three years here...you three are the first to become outraged...why would you not believe I don't use it as a racist term?...because of some N word thread?...hardly convincing...show the proof

264 McSpiff  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:39:45pm

re: #252 albusteve

For some of us, this is honestly like you saying you were unaware kyke or n-- was racist. Shocking, but apparently true.

I can accept that. And id be happy to move on from there. What I can't believe is people fighting for the right to continue using a racial slurs even after they've been told they're using one.

265 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:39:55pm

re: #252 albusteve

if Paki is a racial slur, I am unaware of it...we might take a vote, or let Charles decide...how is Paki racist?...is Astan racists? or Brits? or Talis?...do you people sit around and make this OO up?...is there anything informative you can submit?

Well for you and the Matrix, who seems to be confused, I will point out that the N word was a shortening of Negro, spic is a shortening of Hispanic and that kike was a shortening of Yekke.

I will also point out that I don't think either of you trolls is that stupid as to not know this and I am appalled by your specious argument and that you have the chutzpah to even try to make it.

266 Randall Gross  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:40:20pm

The P term is a racist / nationalist slur. It is most often used by people from the UK and India in reference to people from Pakistan.

267 Ebetty  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:40:44pm

re: #257 Ebetty

By "large" I mean awesome. She rocks it at a 14 on a ten-scale every day.

268 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:41:01pm

re: #259 HoosierHoops

Quite the little war...Over what? I swear I never knew Paki was a racial slur..I never have posted that word here or at any blog..But I thought it was a short cut word..Not a slur...Honestly..The things you learn here while 5 inch Naval shells fly over head...

Hoops, it is a serious slur in Britain, Canada and Australia. You know, those other nations that speak English.

269 TheMatrix31  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:41:08pm

re: #265 LudwigVanQuixote

I don't make my living analyzing every single racial slur in existence. Sorry.

270 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:41:10pm

re: #259 HoosierHoops

Quite the little war...Over what? I swear I never knew Paki was a racial slur..I never have posted that word here or at any blog..But I thought it was a short cut word..Not a slur...Honestly..The things you learn here while 5 inch Naval shells fly over head...

Gus made popcorn...

271 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:41:20pm

re: #256 McSpiff

Its used for anyone "brown" in Canada, that's where a large part of the insult comes from. Its total judgment on skin color, not even ethnicity.

In that case, does it seem to drive the Pakistani and Indian communities together in countering that attitude?

272 Ojoe  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:41:28pm

Mel Brooks is quite needed now.
But I think it is actually way too late.

273 Benghazzy Ben Ross  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:41:46pm

re: #265 LudwigVanQuixote

Well for you and the Matrix, who seems to be confused, I will point out that the N word was a shortening of Negro, spic is a shortening of Hispanic and that kike was a shortening of Yekke.

I will also point out that I don't think either of you trolls is that stupid as to not know this and I am appalled by your specious argument and that you have the chutzpah to even try to make it.

Let's not forget Nippon.

274 Gus  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:42:08pm

re: #270 Aceofwhat?

Gus made popcorn...

On Dark_Falcon's BBQ.

//

275 Digital Display  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:42:35pm

re: #268 LudwigVanQuixote

Hoops, it is a serious slur in Britain, Canada and Australia. You know, those other nations that speak English.

I have never heard that..Honestly...

276 McSpiff  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:42:37pm

re: #260 Aceofwhat?

i respect that. i am glad to have heard it from you and wozza and others. having had a different experience does not make one a racist fuck...just so we're clear.

(i realize the term wasn't directed at me, but it was unnecessary all the same)

Admitting you didn't know, making some effort to say "whoops, social faux pas on my part! Excuse me" and moving on is fine. Calling someone childish and insulting their intelligence for asking you to stop using a racial slur? Sorry, that crosses the line from "I didn't know" to "I'm going to keep using it with a weak attempt at an intellectual cover"

277 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:42:43pm

if you're aware of UK culture in some form, the p-word is serious business over there. As I understand it, it's primarily a british slur. All the tmes I've herad it, it's been in some way connected to UK media. it IS an uncommon slur here in America, though,

278 TheMatrix31  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:43:24pm

re: #273 JasonA

The only Nippon I'm familiar with is the Japanese Baseball League.

279 McSpiff  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:43:45pm

re: #271 Decatur Deb

In that case, does it seem to drive the Pakistani and Indian communities together in countering that attitude?

Probably does to a certain degree. I know it does with Arabic and Pakistani people. Both Muslim, both lumped in together, might as well learn to stick together type thing.

280 Gus  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:43:47pm

re: #273 JasonA

Let's not forget Nippon.

Yikes. Don't remind me. I got on someone's case about that a couple of times.

281 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:44:12pm

re: #275 HoosierHoops

I have never heard that..Honestly...

As I posted WAY UP THREAD (Ludwig, take note AGAIN)

re: #115 Walter L. Newton

FYI...

The abbreviation Paki acquired offensive connotations in the 1960s when used by British tabloids to refer to subjects of former colony states in a derogatory and racist manner. In modern British usage "Paki" is typically used in a derogatory way as a label for all South Asians, including Indians, Afghans and Bangladeshis. To a lesser extent, the term has been applied as a racial slur towards Arabs and other Middle Eastern-looking groups who may resemble South Asians. During the 60's many emigrants were also dubbed as "black" to further segregrate them from the white community. Some would say such a division still exists in parts of England.

In recent times there has been a trend by second and third-generation British Pakistanis to reclaim the word. The word has been turned into a keepsake for the young British Pakistani community that is not acceptable for someone outside the community to say it, including Indians and Bangladeshis.

[Link: en.wiktionary.org...]

282 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:44:18pm

re: #269 TheMatrix31

I don't make my living analyzing every single racial slur in existence. Sorry.

Lol, in other words, you are too ignorant to make a good racist troll? I don't think so.

Please do not insult my intelligence or anyone else's by making such silly arguments. Pretty much all racial slurs are variations on some group's name, customs or languages.

283 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:44:20pm

re: #268 LudwigVanQuixote

Hoops, it is a serious slur in Britain, Canada and Australia. You know, those other nations that speak English.

So we heard. Overreacting a little about those who didn't know it, aren't you?

284 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:44:33pm

re: #275 HoosierHoops

I have never heard that..Honestly...

You, I believe.

285 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:44:40pm

re: #274 Gus 802

On Dark_Falcon's BBQ.

//

I'm not going to grill tonight, unless we get a real troll. Walking hurts at the moment, not entirely sure why.

286 albusteve  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:44:52pm

re: #268 LudwigVanQuixote

Hoops, it is a serious slur in Britain, Canada and Australia. You know, those other nations that speak English.

that said, why are we racists?...because you want us to be?....how are we supposed to know what's a slur in Austrailia?...and why you have to be so mean assed?

287 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:44:57pm

re: #265 LudwigVanQuixote

Well for you and the Matrix, who seems to be confused, I will point out that the N word was a shortening of Negro, spic is a shortening of Hispanic and that kike was a shortening of Yekke.

I will also point out that I don't think either of you trolls is that stupid as to not know this and I am appalled by your specious argument and that you have the chutzpah to even try to make it.

"Philo" for Philippino is also catching on among Aussie nationalists as the slur du-jour.

That, i believe is very particular to them though.

288 Ojoe  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:45:03pm

Everybody insult everybody & get it over with.

Sheesh.

We're all in this together.

289 Benghazzy Ben Ross  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:45:21pm

re: #278 TheMatrix31

The only Nippon I'm familiar with is the Japanese Baseball League.

Surely you know the Nip is a racial slur, no?

290 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:45:26pm

heh, Windsagio would like everyone to know his internet is down and that's why he has suddenly become mysteriously absent :D

*ducks back into his bomb shelter, goes back to drawing weird crap*

291 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:45:34pm

re: #283 Aceofwhat?

So we heard. Overreacting a little about those who didn't know it, aren't you?

Acting like it is nothing to defend your fellow winguts a little aren't you?

Of course it is a slur. Of course these two know it is, and of course, you do too. It is not something to be defended.

292 albusteve  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:45:40pm

re: #275 HoosierHoops

I have never heard that..Honestly...

so you're a racist...how does it feel?

293 Gus  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:45:40pm

re: #285 Dark_Falcon

I'm not going to grill tonight, unless we get a real troll. Walking hurts at the moment, not entirely sure why.

I know. Since it wasn't being used I thought I'd make some popcorn with it.

//

294 Ojoe  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:45:49pm

BBL

295 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:45:50pm

re: #279 McSpiff

Probably does to a certain degree. I know it does with Arabic and Pakistani people. Both Muslim, both lumped in together, might as well learn to stick together type thing.

Racial, ethnic and religious bigotry is one thing, but imprecise slurring is quite another.

296 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:46:17pm

re: #278 TheMatrix31

The only Nippon I'm familiar with is the Japanese Baseball League.

I deal with two Japanese companies on a daily basis

NTN (Nippon Television Network) and their sister company NTV (Nippon TV International Corp)

297 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:46:24pm

Tiptoes quietly out of the room.
Back, later, if the tempers cool off.
Shhh..

298 TheMatrix31  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:46:25pm

re: #282 LudwigVanQuixote

I guess I am just an ignorant troll for not knowing that that shorthand is used as a slur in a country I don't even live in.

299 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:46:47pm

Ok.

I've given it another try, i'm out for now.

Will see you all back here in a couple of weeks.

300 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:47:01pm

re: #287 wozzablog

"Philo" for Philippino is also catching on among Aussie nationalists as the slur du-jour.

That, i believe is very particular to them though.

"Philos", though is "buddy" in Greece.

301 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:47:02pm

re: #295 Decatur Deb

Racial, ethnic and religious bigotry is one thing, but imprecise slurring is quite another.

MORBO SAYS ALL HUMANS TASTE EQUALLY GOOD IN SLURRY

302 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:47:13pm

re: #286 albusteve

that said, why are we racists?...because you want us to be?...how are we supposed to know what's a slur in Austrailia?...and why you have to be so mean assed?

I didn't say you were racist. I said you were trolling because you know full well it is a slur and you are dancing on the edges and pushing the limits of what you can get away with. Exactly why there has not been some repercussions for it for you, I do not know.

303 TheMatrix31  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:47:33pm

re: #289 JasonA

I didn't know about Nippon. I wonder why they chose that word as part of their baseball league? Serious question.

304 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:48:23pm

re: #289 JasonA

Surely you know the Nip is a racial slur, no?

see 296

305 TheMatrix31  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:48:28pm

re: #290 WindUpBird

Thanks for the update, bro!

306 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:48:33pm

Does anyone have anything to say about the topic of this thread, before I start handing out timeouts?

307 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:48:34pm

re: #303 TheMatrix31

I didn't know about Nippon. I wonder why they chose that word as part of their baseball league? Serious question.

Nips and Japs were common slurs during the war. I really doubt you didn't know that.

308 McSpiff  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:49:20pm

I'll make my position on this very clear. No one was racist for not knowing that "Paki" was a slur. Humans are damn creative when it comes to these things.

Where my concern is, is after being told that something is a slur, people continue to fight to be able to use the word. I'm sorry that you now know that "paki" is offensive to millions of people. Guess you have to go back to typing out "Pakistani".

309 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:49:21pm

re: #282 LudwigVanQuixote

Lol, in other words, you are too ignorant to make a good racist troll? I don't think so.

Please do not insult my intelligence or anyone else's by making such silly arguments. Pretty much all racial slurs are variations on some group's name, customs or languages.

That's not what he said. I hadn't even heard that Armenian slur until just now, so its not a stretch that another slur might be unknown to Matrix. Cut him some slack, Ludwig.

310 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:49:37pm

re: #291 LudwigVanQuixote

Acting like it is nothing to defend your fellow winguts a little aren't you?

Of course it is a slur. Of course these two know it is, and of course, you do too. It is not something to be defended.

defending myself and Hoopster. we're the wingnuts now?

it wasn't a slur at Case, dimwit. i knew at least 50 pakistanis and am only now hearing that it's a no-no in some other countries. i am not defending the use. i am defending the fact that it is reasonable that americans don't know it's a slur.

don't call me a liar. it's the last resort of idiots, and you're not an idiot. do better, and calm down.

311 The Shadow Do  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:50:37pm

*Takes rolled up newspaper, smacks snout*

312 McSpiff  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:50:49pm

re: #310 Aceofwhat?

This is what I was trying to say, thank you.

313 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:51:19pm

re: #303 TheMatrix31

I didn't know about Nippon. I wonder why they chose that word as part of their baseball league? Serious question.

I believe "Nippon" is to "Japan" much the same way "España" is to "Spain".

Anyone? Am I right about that?

314 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:51:24pm

re: #300 Decatur Deb

"Philos", though is "buddy" in Greece.

close to '-philic', right, e.g. hydrophilic? If i were Filipino, i'd work that to my advantage somehow...try to start up a slur that secretly translates to the person telling me that they love me with each insult...

315 TheMatrix31  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:51:31pm

re: #307 LudwigVanQuixote

Like I said, I knew about those two, but that as a word "Nippon", the only thing I knew about was the baseball league. Jeez.

316 albusteve  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:51:34pm

re: #302 LudwigVanQuixote

I didn't say you were racist. I said you were trolling because you know full well it is a slur and you are dancing on the edges and pushing the limits of what you can get away with. Exactly why there has not been some repercussions for it for you, I do not know.

like I said, ask Charles...he's the tie breaker...
and hoe did you know full well my intentions? you give yourself too much credit

317 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:51:35pm

re: #306 Charles

Does anyone have anything to say about the topic of this thread, before I start handing out timeouts?

Actually, we're learning something here. Because it has no ethnic basis, I would have thought the slur in question was limited to Pakistanis, and no more aggressive than "Yankee".

318 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:52:00pm

re: #313 Slumbering Behemoth

I believe "Nippon" is to "Japan" much the same way "España" is to "Spain".

Anyone? Am I right about that?

Yes,

319 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:52:26pm

re: #306 Charles

Does anyone have anything to say about the topic of this thread, before I start handing out timeouts?

Yes, part of why white supremacists are flourishing today is that they have been allowed to publicly push the envelope with language that would never have been tolerated in polite society a mere decade ago. Slurs against black people, Muslims, Hispanics etc... would never have been breathed in public discourse without the degeneration of these words becoming so often heard and so often debated about, when everyone knows their racial tint, are now somehow passable. This is a process.

This is a point that has been made here many times on these pages and is being made as an example tonight.

This is a point made by you not reprimanding certain posters here, and it is not specious to point it out.

320 Benghazzy Ben Ross  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:52:26pm

re: #313 Slumbering Behemoth

I believe "Nippon" is to "Japan" much the same way "España" is to "Spain".

Anyone? Am I right about that?

Yeah, like Deutschland is to Germany.

321 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:52:29pm

re: #309 Dark_Falcon

That's not what he said. I hadn't even heard that Armenian slur until just now, so its not a stretch that another slur might be unknown to Matrix. Cut him some slack, Ludwig.

i hadn't heart of that one either.

322 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:53:35pm

re: #306 Charles

I'm just going to remark that I have this article on speed-dial the next time someone tries to claim that Fox News is a valid source of anything.

Fox News and neo-Nazi radio shows, sharing guests.

Pretty much sums it up, it's the laundering of extremism, the hidden, sympathetic channels that are used to mainstream these people and their views.

it's worse than some jerk Nazis marching in Idaho, these are very smart, very organized people in media who are very conscious of what they're doing, who seem to be quite interested in mainstreaming and empowering white racist nativists

323 Gus  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:53:38pm

re: #313 Slumbering Behemoth

I believe "Nippon" is to "Japan" much the same way "España" is to "Spain".

Anyone? Am I right about that?

日本

324 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:53:38pm

re: #318 Fozzie Bear

re: #320 JasonA

Yay! I'm right about something!

Wait a minute. Let me see your degrees.
/

325 McSpiff  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:54:13pm

re: #321 Aceofwhat?

i hadn't heart of that one either.

Same here. I won't be using it in future.

326 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:54:33pm

re: #310 Aceofwhat?

I can forgive people for not knowing. I honestly did not think anyone here was ignorant of that fact. However, one look at British media will make the nature of the slur obvious and honestly, I am appalled that after being told numerous times that people are still debating this.

327 Lidane  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:54:40pm
3- Since family is the foundation of any strong society, we are against feminism, abortion, and primitivism.

What the hell is primitivism? Anyone? Bueller?

7- Secession is a right of all people and individuals. It was successful in 1776 and this show honors those who tried to make it successful in 1865.

Psst....hey, idiots -- secession was a total failure by 1865. The South lost the war, remember?

8- We are cultural conservatives because we have certain morals to which we adhere. We are against homosexuality, vulgarity, loveless sex, and masochism.

How could you possibly be against masochism when your entire platform shows that you enjoy living in such total and abject stupidity that you clearly enjoy being miserable?

328 Nimed  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:55:16pm

re: #320 JasonA

Yeah, like Deutschland is to Germany.

And "Portugal" to Portugal.

329 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:55:42pm

re: #327 Lidane

How could you possibly be against masochism when your entire platform shows that you enjoy living in such total and abject stupidity that you clearly enjoy being miserable?

LOVELESS SEX

330 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:55:43pm

re: #321 Aceofwhat?

i hadn't heart of that one either.

I'm surprised to learn there are enough Armenians in the American West to attract an ethnic slur.

331 Benghazzy Ben Ross  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:55:45pm

re: #328 Nimed

And "Portugal" to Portugal.

*chortle*

332 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:56:02pm

re: #313 Slumbering Behemoth

I believe "Nippon" is to "Japan" much the same way "España" is to "Spain".

Anyone? Am I right about that?

See #296

333 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:56:03pm

re: #319 LudwigVanQuixote

Yes, part of why white supremacists are flourishing today is that they have been allowed to publicly push the envelope with language that would never have been tolerated in polite society a mere decade ago. Slurs against black people, Muslims, Hispanics etc... would never have been breathed in public discourse without the degeneration of these words becoming so often heard and so often debated about, when everyone knows their racial tint, are now somehow passable. This is a process.

This is a point that has been made here many times on these pages and is being made as an example tonight.

This is a point made by you not reprimanding certain posters here, and it is not specious to point it out.

I have much better things to do with my time than monitor these pointless squabbles. There's a 'report' button on these comments, if you think something is offensive, report it.

I'm beginning to reach the end of my patience.

334 Lidane  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:56:55pm

re: #2 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

A bunch of white supremacists cruising the border under quasi-legal police oversight? What could possibly go wrong?
/

Pfft. What's the worst that could happen if you send a bunch of paranoid, heavily armed white supremacists to patrol the Mexican border?

///

335 Ojoe  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:57:38pm

re: #327 Lidane

Primitivism = Sasquatch.

336 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:57:47pm

re: #326 LudwigVanQuixote

I can forgive people for not knowing. I honestly did not think anyone here was ignorant of that fact. However, one look at British media will make the nature of the slur obvious and honestly, I am appalled that after being told numerous times that people are still debating this.

I'm not debating this, I'm analyzing it. It's an Anthro thing--we don't have bosons to screw with.

337 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:57:55pm

re: #333 Charles

I have much better things to do with my time than monitor these pointless squabbles. There's a 'report' button on these comments, if you think something is offensive, report it.

I'm beginning to reach the end of my patience.

I did report it. I am also not trying to troll or waste your time with little squabbles. You know I rarely report anyone.

338 TheMatrix31  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:58:04pm

Just to let you guys know, I don't get offended when people call me an Armo except for the fact that they're bringing to light the fact that I am Armenian. THAT fact bothers me, because our people have been saturated with people who are fraudulent, corrupt, stupid, boorish, backwards, primitive, etc. It's become an embarrassment to be one. Then again, it might just be a Los Angeles Armenian thing. Instead of trying to better their own people, they're stuck fighting and killing (literally) each other over frivolous situations.

339 prairiefire  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:58:08pm

re: #69 jamesfirecat

//I have a great plan! Lets cut taxes on the rich and deregulate corporations until the US becomes a defacto Oligarchy that is an even more hellish place to live than Mexico! After we've done that, presto the immigration problem will solve itself!

Well, it should! All those eager capitalists newly flush with non taxed dollars will start highering the qualified American workers at $14 and hour plus health benefits, won't they?
Oh, they might hire somebody off the street corner at $10/day, $50/ a week?
Tax dollars at work!

340 Ojoe  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:58:17pm

re: #333 Charles

Charles you could close the thread in fact.

341 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:58:22pm

re: #326 LudwigVanQuixote

I can forgive people for not knowing. I honestly did not think anyone here was ignorant of that fact. However, one look at British media will make the nature of the slur obvious and honestly, I am appalled that after being told numerous times that people are still debating this.

True but in the interests of peace, I'd like to propose an amnesty: We all assume that the uses on this thread of the words "Nippon", "Paki", and "Armo" were not intended to slur people based on their race or ethnicity. However, we will all endeavor to avoid those words going forwards. Fair?

342 Varek Raith  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:58:31pm

Most...disgustingly intriguing.
I don't suppose Fox has said/is going to say anything about this?

343 Lidane  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 6:59:45pm

re: #329 WindUpBird

LOVELESS SEX

The sex might be loveless, but they're clearly some masochistic bastards, given their general outlook on life.

I can't imagine anyone enjoying living life under their rules.

344 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 7:00:41pm

re: #342 Varek Raith

Most...disgustingly intriguing.
I don't suppose Fox has said/is going to say anything about this?

Of course not. They are openly in league with these cretins.

345 Stanghazi  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 7:00:44pm

re: #334 Lidane

Pfft. What's the worst that could happen if you send a bunch of paranoid, heavily armed white supremacists to patrol the Mexican border?

///

Not the worst thing, but pretty flipping bad is that these folks are getting legitimacy and supporters because "they're doing what the gd government isn't" spittle spittle

Slippery slope, just like the islamaphobes joining up with the fascists. Every damn day I see these historically bad groups getting support.

346 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 7:01:02pm

re: #341 Dark_Falcon

Well, "Nippon" is the name of a country, not a racial slur.

As to "P---" and "A---", one I was not aware was a slur, the other I have never even heard of. Good to know going forward, though.

347 prairiefire  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 7:01:18pm

TheMatrix is in the house.

348 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 7:02:02pm

re: #347 prairiefire

TheMatrix is in the house.

You home now? Are you all over your vacation?

349 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 7:03:56pm

re: #343 Lidane

The sex might be loveless, but they're clearly some masochistic bastards, given their general outlook on life.

I can't imagine anyone enjoying living life under their rules.

It's probably all talk for like 99% of them. Well, the racism isn't all talk obviously, but the mumbo jumbo about sex and all the silly rules are probably just window dressing for white supremacists to pretend they're all very lofty and noble and that whitey is more civilized and conservative and whatever

350 prairiefire  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 7:04:33pm

re: #348 Walter L. Newton

Hi ya, Walter. We made it home 11:00PM our time Saturday night. It was funny watching the mass exodus out of hot Denver on I-70 West.
I'm afraid I'm still a bit exhausted.
Thanks again for contributing to our fantastic tour of CO.

351 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 7:04:41pm

re: #345 Stanley Sea

Not the worst thing, but pretty flipping bad is that these folks are getting legitimacy and supporters because "they're doing what the gd government isn't" spittle spittle

Slippery slope, just like the islamaphobes joining up with the fascists. Every damn day I see these historically bad groups getting support.

All the crazies are finding out what they have in common with other crazies. I blame the internet. :P

352 Nimed  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 7:04:45pm

re: #329 WindUpBird

LOVELESS SEX

Precious, isn't it?

In their defense -- I can't figure out another way of saying that without sounding equally ridiculous.

353 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 7:04:51pm

To better educate yourselves, you may want to refer to the Racial Slur Database... this is not a joke... currently there are 2649 words that are considered racial slurs.

[Link: www.rsdb.org...]

354 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 7:04:58pm

re: #349 WindUpBird

It's probably all talk for like 99% of them. Well, the racism isn't all talk obviously, but the mumbo jumbo about sex and all the silly rules are probably just window dressing for white supremacists to pretend they're all very lofty and noble and that whitey is more civilized and conservative and whatever

And it is curious that while they oppose masochism, they do not oppose sadism...

355 freetoken  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 7:05:37pm

re: #313 Slumbering Behemoth

I believe "Nippon" is to "Japan" much the same way "España" is to "Spain".

Anyone? Am I right about that?

Not really.

Gus put forth the Kanji 日本, which is pronounced by itself as "Nihon". In certain circumstances the "h" will change to a "p" sound in the Japanese language. In their syllabary the "h" sounds: は　ひ　ふ　へ　ほ　(ha hi hu/fu he ho) change to "p" sounds: ぱ　ぴ　ぷ　ぺ　ぽ (pa pi pu pe po.)

Thus "Nihon" and "Nippon".

"Japan" is weird and whenever I heard a Japanese say that word it sounds weird. However, I never met a Japanese person who was offended by it.

It's the contracted "nip" and "jap" slurs that in the English language are derogatory.

356 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 7:05:40pm

re: #350 prairiefire

Hi ya, Walter. We made it home 11:00PM our time Saturday night. It was funny watching the mass exodus out of hot Denver on I-70 West.
I'm afraid I'm still a bit exhausted.
Thanks again for contributing to our fantastic tour of CO.

Ah... you got to see the flatlanders headed for the hills. Glad you made it home ok. Did anyone find some gold?

357 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 7:06:57pm

re: #352 Nimed

Precious, isn't it?

In their defense -- I can't figure out another way of saying that without sounding equally ridiculous.

Now I have the image of some skinhead reading Teen Beat wearing a sock-hop poodle skirt and being all wisffully romantic. "No loveless sex for me!"

These people are just so deeply detached and nuts. And then they find all the others willing to share their delusions, and they convince each other of how awesome they are, and yeah

358 Lidane  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 7:07:14pm

re: #354 LudwigVanQuixote

And it is curious that while they oppose masochism, they do not oppose sadism...

That's because if they opposed sadism, they'd have to give up on their fantasies of whitey with his harem of brown and black girls that he can force to service him at will. =P

359 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 7:07:15pm

re: #355 freetoken

Not really.

Gus put forth the Kanji 日本, which is pronounced by itself as "Nihon". In certain circumstances the "h" will change to a "p" sound in the Japanese language. In their syllabary the "h" sounds: は　ひ　ふ　&# 12408;　ほ　(ha hi hu/fu he ho) change to "p" sounds: ぱ　ぴ　ぷ　&# 12410;　ぽ (pa pi pu pe po.)

Thus "Nihon" and "Nippon".

"Japan" is weird and whenever I heard a Japanese say that word it sounds weird. However, I never met a Japanese person who was offended by it.

It's the contracted "nip" and "jap" slurs that in the English language are derogatory.

Where did the word Japan come from when the name of the land is so different in Japanese?

360 avanti  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 7:07:16pm

Stop the presses, the Dems jumped into a 6 point Gallup lead:

"PRINCETON, NJ -- In the same week the U.S. Senate passed a major financial reform bill touted as reining in Wall Street, Democrats pulled ahead of Republicans, 49% to 43%, in voters' generic ballot preferences for the 2010 congressional elections."

gallup.

361 prairiefire  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 7:08:13pm

re: #356 Walter L. Newton

Ah... you got to see the flatlanders headed for the hills. Glad you made it home ok. Did anyone find some gold?

No, I'm afraid not. We travelled to Frisco, back to Denver, and to Breckinridge on our remaining days. No time for gold panning. Thanks again for lending it, I will get it back in the mail to you soon.

362 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 7:08:16pm

re: #360 avanti

Gonna be a hell of an election season!

363 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 7:09:50pm

re: #353 Walter L. Newton

Thanks. Bookmarked. There are a lot of arguables in there.

364 prairiefire  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 7:10:23pm

re: #329 WindUpBird

LOVELESS SEX

When I was young and naive, I used to think that Michael Jackson and my best friend/dancing partner/tastefully dressed male friend were just sexless.
Time has proven otherwise.

365 Nimed  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 7:10:24pm

Sex with love is the greatest thing in life. But sex without love — that's not so bad either.

Mae West channeling Captain Obvious, 1979

366 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 7:10:35pm

re: #361 prairiefire

No, I'm afraid not. We travelled to Frisco, back to Denver, and to Breckinridge on our remaining days. No time for gold panning. Thanks again for lending it, I will get it back in the mail to you soon.

Honestly, that doesn't matter... keep it if you want for another trip somewhere...

Supper BB later.

367 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 7:11:15pm

re: #355 freetoken

Not really.

Gus put forth the Kanji 日本, which is pronounced by itself as "Nihon". In certain circumstances the "h" will change to a "p" sound in the Japanese language. In their syllabary the "h" sounds: は　ひ　ふ　&# 12408;　ほ　(ha hi hu/fu he ho) change to "p" sounds: ぱ　ぴ　ぷ　&# 12410;　ぽ (pa pi pu pe po.)

Thus "Nihon" and "Nippon".

"Japan" is weird and whenever I heard a Japanese say that word it sounds weird. However, I never met a Japanese person who was offended by it.

It's the contracted "nip" and "jap" slurs that in the English language are derogatory.

Fozzie Bear, JasonA? You're both fired. :)

Thanks for the educational explanation.

368 Renaissance_Man  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 7:11:24pm

re: #359 LudwigVanQuixote

Where did the word Japan come from when the name of the land is so different in Japanese?

Chinese and SE Asian names for Japan. Europeans encountered them first, rather than the Japanese, and took those names.

369 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 7:11:54pm

re: #368 Renaissance_Man

Chinese and SE Asian names for Japan. Europeans encountered them first, rather than the Japanese, and took those names.

I am very impressed. That makes sense.

370 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 7:12:59pm

re: #355 freetoken

Not really.

Gus put forth the Kanji 日本, which is pronounced by itself as "Nihon". In certain circumstances the "h" will change to a "p" sound in the Japanese language. In their syllabary the "h" sounds: は　ひ　ふ　&# 12408;　ほ　(ha hi hu/fu he ho) change to "p" sounds: ぱ　ぴ　ぷ　&# 12410;　ぽ (pa pi pu pe po.)

Thus "Nihon" and "Nippon".

"Japan" is weird and whenever I heard a Japanese say that word it sounds weird. However, I never met a Japanese person who was offended by it.

It's the contracted "nip" and "jap" slurs that in the English language are derogatory.

I had some Christmas down-time at a college library, and read all the bound periodicals for the months following Pearl Harbor. Ya wanna talk mainstreaming?

371 prairiefire  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 7:15:35pm

re: #369 LudwigVanQuixote

I am very impressed. That makes sense.

He's a smart guy, LVQ. Medical profession, IIRC.

372 Benghazzy Ben Ross  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 7:16:53pm

re: #367 Slumbering Behemoth

Fozzie Bear, JasonA? You're both fired. :)

Thanks for the educational explanation.

o.O We didn't misinform you. It still means "Japan."

373 Nimed  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 7:20:52pm

re: #368 Renaissance_Man

Chinese and SE Asian names for Japan. Europeans encountered them first, rather than the Japanese, and took those names.

EUROPEANS?? Dude, be a little more specific.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
Long boring explanation, and then "It is thought the Portuguese traders were the first to bring the word to Europe."

We rocked 400 years ago. The Portuguese even brought Christianity to Japan, and it flourished at first. Unfortunately, due to a terrible misunderstanding, all the churches ended up literally in flames. Oh, well...

374 freetoken  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 7:21:05pm

re: #369 LudwigVanQuixote

Yeah, he nailed it. The 1919 version of the OED online:
[Link: books.google.com...]

Lists the Malay intermediary "Japung" as coming from the Chinese "Jih-pun".

375 prairiefire  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 7:24:37pm

I have a lizard collective question~

I am Haplogroup X according to the National Geographic/The Genographic Project results.
I"m confused if this means I have American Indian blood. I don't think so. I'm mainly Germanic Hoard. Any feedback?

376 Interesting Times in Benghazi  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 7:37:07pm

re: #308 McSpiff

I'll make my position on this very clear. No one was racist for not knowing that "Paki" was a slur. Humans are damn creative when it comes to these things.

Where my concern is, is after being told that something is a slur, people continue to fight to be able to use the word. I'm sorry that you now know that "paki" is offensive to millions of people. Guess you have to go back to typing out "Pakistani".

I know I'm late to this thread, but hopefully you're still here - I just want to thank you for your posts because I'm:

a) Canadian
b) Of Pakistani descent

...and have been subjected to the racial slur in question more times than I care to count.

I would appreciate it very much if people here never use it again.

377 prairiefire  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 7:40:35pm

re: #376 publicityStunted

I know I'm late to this thread, but hopefully you're still here - I just want to thank you for your posts because I'm:

a) Canadian
b) Of Pakistani descent

...and have been subjected to the racial slur in question more times than I care to count.

I would appreciate it very much if people here never use it again.

I will try to help you in that endeavor. I remember when that blockhead, Prince Philip used it when viewing a jumbled electrical system "It looks like a paki did it."

378 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 7:53:22pm

re: #375 prairiefire

I have a lizard collective question~

I am Haplogroup X according to the National Geographic/The Genographic Project results.
I"m confused if this means I have American Indian blood. I don't think so. I'm mainly Germanic Hoard. Any feedback?

Why are you asking me, Kemo Sabe?

379 Interesting Times in Benghazi  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 7:56:33pm

re: #377 prairiefire

I will try to help you in that endeavor. I remember when that blockhead, Prince Philip used it when viewing a jumbled electrical system "It looks like a paki did it."

Thanks :) And yes, Prince Philip is a douche :P

As for the word in question, maybe this will make it clear for anyone still confused - it's the UK/Canadian equivalent of "r-g-h--d" (i.e. the slur used for SC gubernatorial candidate Nikki Haley by some jerk right-wing politician...maybe a state rep, I don't remember now)

380 prairiefire  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 7:58:31pm

re: #379 publicityStunted

Right, old school "bloody, ruddy, hottentotts"


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