Resigned USDA Official: Breitbart’s Video Was a Lie

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Shirley Sherrod, the USDA official forced to resign after Andrew Breitbart posted a video of her giving a speech to the NAACP, is telling her story to the Atlanta Journal-Constitution — and Breitbart has, once again, railroaded an innocent person with an edited and highly misleading video: Resigned USDA official says racial story misconstrued.

In a phone interview from her home in Albany early Tuesday morning, Shirley Sherrod told the Atlanta-Journal Constitution that the video posted online Monday by biggovernment.com and reported on by foxnews.com and the AJC completely misconstrued the message she was trying to convey.

Sherrod, 62, insisted her statements in the video were not racist. “For Fox to take a spin on this like they have done, and know it’s not the truth … it’s very upsetting,” she said.

In the video Sherrod, who is black, admits to the crowd at the NAACP banquet she didn’t do everything she could to help a white farmer whom she said was condescending when he came to her for aid.

“What he didn’t know while he was taking all that time trying to show me he was superior to me was, I was trying to decide just how much help I was going to give him,” Sherrod said in the video recorded March 27 in Douglas in southeast Georgia.

“I was struggling with the fact that so many black people had lost their farmland, and here I was faced with having to help a white person save their land. So I didn’t give him the full force of what I could do. I did enough.”

But Tuesday morning, Sherrod said what online viewers weren’t told in reports posted throughout the day Monday was that the tale she told at the banquet happened 24 years ago — before she got the USDA job — when she worked with the Georgia field office for the Federation of Southern Cooperative/Land Assistance Fund.

Sherrod said the short video clip excluded the breadth of the story about how she eventually worked with the man over a two-year period to help ward off foreclosure of his farm, and how she eventually became friends with him and his wife.

“And I went on to work with many more white farmers,” she said. “The story helped me realize that race is not the issue, it’s about the people who have and the people who don’t. When I speak to groups, I try to speak about getting beyond the issue of race.”

Andrew Breitbart: the heir to Joseph McCarthy, destroying people’s reputations and jobs based on deliberately distorted allegations, while the rest of the right wing blogs cheer. Disgusting. This is what has become of the right wing blogosphere — it’s now a debased tool that serves only to circulate partisan conspiracy theories and hit pieces.

UPDATE at 7/20/10 8:33:55 am:

Note that LGF reader “teh mantis” posted a comment last night at around 6:00 pm that made exactly these points about Breitbart’s deceptive video, in this post.

UPDATE at 7/20/10 9:00:01 am:

It’s disturbing that the USDA immediately caved in to cover their asses, and got Sherrod to resign without even hearing her side of the story; but also expected. That’s what government bureaucrats do. And they didn’t want the USDA to become the next ACORN.

But it’s even more disturbing that the NAACP also immediately caved in and denounced this woman, in a misguided attempt to be “fair.” The NAACP is supposed to defend people like this. They were played by a con man, and an innocent person paid the price.

UPDATE at 7/20/10 9:21:38 am:

CNN has a report on this disgusting incident now, with statements from the wife of the farmer to whom Sherrod referred in Breitbart’s dishonest video — she says that Sherrod saved their farm: Ex-worker: USDA ‘wasn’t interested in hearing the truth’

A Georgia woman who said she believes her husband is the white farmer referenced in the clip told CNN on Tuesday that Sherrod was helpful to her family and that the couple never felt she was being racist while trying to assist them in avoiding foreclosure.

“She treated us really good and got us all we could,” said Eloise Spooner of Iron City, Georgia. Spooner said she remembered that Sherrod helped find an attorney to help her husband, Roger.

She said she doesn’t believe Sherrod is being treated fairly.

Here’s the interview with Sherrod:

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260 comments
1 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 8:24:40am

Breitbart=Douche.

2 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 8:25:12am

So the question is did this woman resign voluntarily, or was she "asked" to resign?

3 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 8:26:07am

re: #2 Fozzie Bear

So the question is did this woman resign voluntarily, or was she "asked" to resign?

There's very little doubt that she was asked to resign.

4 jamesfirecat  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 8:26:09am

At long last sir, have you no decency?

5 AK-47%  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 8:26:12am

(carried over from previous thread)

You have forgotten what this is all about: it is about "getting back" at the NAACP for calling out the Tea Party on its tacit tolerance of racists in its midst. They have been combing every news story to find monkey poo to fling back at the NAACP.

And this seems to be all that they could come up with. But it fits the bill enough to qualify as an ongoing news story, so it will continue to run.

6 [deleted]  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 8:28:55am
7 Kronocide  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 8:29:45am

Why didn't they take the time to review this incident before moving the resignation forward? Sounds too knee jerky to me.

8 [deleted]  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 8:30:35am
9 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 8:30:54am

re: #7 BigPapa

Why didn't they take the time to review this incident before moving the resignation forward? Sounds too knee jerky to me.

McCarthyism works because people knee-jerk react. Like any witch hunt, this one follows the usual pattern.

10 elizajane  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 8:31:01am

Now the whole "Journolist" e-mail archive has made its way to a blogger and is being mined for possible racism, for conspiracies to charge the right wing of racism, for Jeremiah Wright stories... It just makes me sick.

I think back to the day when candidate Obama made his speech on racism, as if that was going to set the parameters for a civil, 21st-century discussion of race in this country. Instead, I feel as if we're taking giant steps backwards, hauled along by right-wing hysterics and cynics. I've been reading a lot of '60s literature lately. I never thought I'd see attitudes from those days voiced publicly in America again, but I'm seeing them.

11 teh mantis  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 8:31:07am

You always know a Brietbart video will turn out to be a lie. When I heard her reference Chapter 12, I knew she was talking about something from years ago, so I found some bio info online, figured out that she was working on black farm coops in Georgia at the time, and not employed by the government. It was fairly easy to figure it out, with a little effort, though it would have been quite obvious had we seen the entire tape.

Anyone's words can be used against them, if you edit enough of them out. Always consider the source.

12 AK-47%  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 8:31:21am

I can only assume it is all tactical. The NAACP knew that they were going to open up a can of worms with their Tea Party resolution and wee already in duck-and-cover mode whtn the TP started slinging back.

13 Taqyia2Me  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 8:31:23am

We should lobby her employer to not accept her resignation. I will do so today.

Absolutely atrocious work by Breitbart and Fox.

14 Interesting Times  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 8:31:45am

re: #3 Charles

There's very little doubt that she was asked to resign.

I *hate* the way organizations cave to this slanderous crap. All it does is reinforce the horrid behavior of Breitbart and others like him, teaching them Pavlovian-style that their disgusting tactics work. I wish someone would grow a spine and tell him where he can go stuff his doctored videos.

15 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 8:32:30am

re: #10 elizajane

Now the whole "Journolist" e-mail archive has made its way to a blogger and is being mined for possible racism, for conspiracies to charge the right wing of racism, for Jeremiah Wright stories... It just makes me sick.

I think back to the day when candidate Obama made his speech on racism, as if that was going to set the parameters for a civil, 21st-century discussion of race in this country. Instead, I feel as if we're taking giant steps backwards, hauled along by right-wing hysterics and cynics. I've been reading a lot of '60s literature lately. I never thought I'd see attitudes from those days voiced publicly in America again, but I'm seeing them.

Yeah, this is going to get ugly.

16 Interesting Times  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 8:33:17am

re: #15 Killgore Trout

Yeah, this is going to get ugly.

It already is :(

17 jamesfirecat  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 8:35:12am

re: #13 Taqyia2Me

We should lobby her employer to not accept her resignation. I will do so today.

Absolutely atrocious work by Breitbart and Fox.

Isn't enough that they already got a man fired for calling the police to report on human trafficking?

18 elizajane  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 8:35:56am

re: #15 Killgore Trout

Yeah, this is going to get ugly.

I should have said that Obama's speech was about race, NOT about racism. That was precisely the point--to talk about race, honestly, openly, without dancing around yelling "racism!" And yet, where are we now? Now any mention of race in public discourse (or even private) is labeled as racism. We are exactly where we were not supposed to be.

It's incredibly disheartening.

19 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 8:40:09am

If you think it's bad now, wait a few years, when this propaganda has had a little more time to "activate the base". Wait until the right wins it's next election cycle. Wait until 2012.

This is nothing. It's going to get ALOT uglier.

20 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 8:40:49am

re: #3 Charles

There's very little doubt that she was asked to resign.

Why on earth would she have been asked to resign without being given an opportunity to explain by her employer. If her story is true, her employer's conduct was reprehensible and suggests that the employer marched to the partisan right-wing drumbeat.
There is something very fishy here.

21 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 8:41:47am

re: #3 Charles

There's very little doubt that she was asked to resign.

Somehow this is the worst part of it. It would have been better for everyone for the USDA to stand up to these filthy swine rather than encouraging them with a little innocent blood.

22 Daniel Ballard  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 8:41:53am

Apologies for OT
Charles, I have been tempted to Page some poignant political cartoons I see out and about at major news sites. Are those okay to Page with good links back to the source? Or is that over the line copyright wise?

23 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 8:42:03am

re: #20 Spare O'Lake

No, there isn't anything "fishy." Government bureaucrats engaged in reflexive ass-covering. They didn't want the USDA to become the next ACORN. It's the oldest story in the world.

24 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 8:42:07am

re: #20 Spare O'Lake

Why on earth would she have been asked to resign without being given an opportunity to explain by her employer. If her story is true, her employer's conduct was reprehensible and suggests that the employer marched to the partisan right-wing drumbeat.
There is something very fishy here.

The only thing that is fishy here is Breitbart. The agency caved to public pressure. They probably got thousands of deranged screaming calls.

25 jamesfirecat  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 8:42:25am

re: #20 Spare O'Lake

Why on earth would she have been asked to resign without being given an opportunity to explain by her employer. If her story is true, her employer's conduct was reprehensible and suggests that the employer marched to the partisan right-wing drumbeat.
There is something very fishy here.

Heedless, feckless damage control.

Wasn't that guy who was pumping O'Keef for information on his fake human smuggling plan so that he could call the cops fired as well, despite doing exactly the right thing in that situation?

26 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 8:42:37am

re: #22 Rightwingconspirator

Apologies for OT
Charles, I have been tempted to Page some poignant political cartoons I see out and about at major news sites. Are those okay to Page with good links back to the source? Or is that over the line copyright wise?

Probably best just to link -- cartoonists are usually touchy about reprinting their work.

27 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 8:42:50am

re: #11 teh mantis

You always know a Brietbart video will turn out to be a lie. When I heard her reference Chapter 12, I knew she was talking about something from years ago, so I found some bio info online, figured out that she was working on black farm coops in Georgia at the time, and not employed by the government. It was fairly easy to figure it out, with a little effort, though it would have been quite obvious had we seen the entire tape.

Anyone's words can be used against them, if you edit enough of them out. Always consider the source.

You did an excellent job. Many kudos to you.

28 garhighway  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 8:43:09am

re: #20 Spare O'Lake

Why on earth would she have been asked to resign without being given an opportunity to explain by her employer. If her story is true, her employer's conduct was reprehensible and suggests that the employer marched to the partisan right-wing drumbeat.
There is something very fishy here.

That's how you manage the news cycle these days. You can spend a week defending your employee, and then the story is about that. Or you can cut her loose and the story is over. It is sad, but that is how the world works nowadays.

29 brennant  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 8:43:12am

re: #27 LudwigVanQuixote

exactly. well done.

30 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 8:43:25am

re: #20 Spare O'Lake

Why on earth would she have been asked to resign without being given an opportunity to explain by her employer. If her story is true, her employer's conduct was reprehensible and suggests that the employer marched to the partisan right-wing drumbeat.
There is something very fishy here.

I'm not sure but it might have been the easiest solution. Also she's just about retirement age now anyways and maybe she just doesn't want to deal with the public spotlight.

31 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 8:43:30am

Whoa - 65 retweets on this already.

32 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 8:45:39am

Everybody is afraid of becoming the next ACORN.

Once you have seen what happened to another organization at the hands of Breitbart et. al., you tend to get a little jumpy.

This is how witch hunts work, people. It's not the damage you do that gets results, it's the damage you could do.

33 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 8:45:57am

re: #14 publicityStunted

I *hate* the way organizations cave to this slanderous crap. All it does is reinforce the horrid behavior of Breitbart and others like him, teaching them Pavlovian-style that their disgusting tactics work. I wish someone would grow a spine and tell him where he can go stuff his doctored videos.

My thoughts exactly.

34 Daniel Ballard  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 8:46:09am

re: #21 LudwigVanQuixote

Somehow this is the worst part of it. It would have been better for everyone for the USDA to stand up to these filthy swine rather than encouraging them with a little innocent blood.


I would be very important for this woman to continue to expose the lies. Hit the media circuit, and post the original video. It falls on her unfortunately.

35 MandyManners  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 8:47:22am

re: #10 elizajane

Now the whole "Journolist" e-mail archive has made its way to a blogger and is being mined for possible racism, for conspiracies to charge the right wing of racism, for Jeremiah Wright stories... It just makes me sick.

I think back to the day when candidate Obama made his speech on racism, as if that was going to set the parameters for a civil, 21st-century discussion of race in this country. Instead, I feel as if we're taking giant steps backwards, hauled along by right-wing hysterics and cynics. I've been reading a lot of '60s literature lately. I never thought I'd see attitudes from those days voiced publicly in America again, but I'm seeing them.

Are you saying Wright is not a racist?

36 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 8:48:25am

re: #35 MandyManners

Are you saying Wright is not a racist?

Wright is utterly irrelevant to the topic at hand.

37 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 8:48:51am

re: #35 MandyManners

Are you saying Wright is not a racist?

We are saying that is not the point.

38 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 8:49:12am

re: #23 Charles

No, there isn't anything "fishy." Government bureaucrats engaged in reflexive ass-covering. They didn't want the USDA to become the next ACORN. It's the oldest story in the world.

I wanted to give the Obama administration the benefit of the doubt on this one, but I guess you are right...those bastards threw another innocent public servant under the bus out of craven political expediency.
This is not to excuse Breitbart's conduct either, but why the government swallowed the bait hook, line and sinker is just terrible.

39 garhighway  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 8:50:07am

re: #38 Spare O'Lake

I wanted to give the Obama administration the benefit of the doubt on this one, but I guess you are right...those bastards threw another innocent public servant under the bus out of craven political expediency.
This is not to excuse Breitbart's conduct either, but why the government swallowed the bait hook, line and sinker is just terrible.

You have it exactly right: this is about bad governmental conduct.

40 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 8:50:08am

re: #38 Spare O'Lake

I wanted to give the Obama administration the benefit of the doubt on this one, but I guess you are right...those bastards threw another innocent public servant under the bus out of craven political expediency.
This is not to excuse Breitbart's conduct either, but why the government swallowed the bait hook, line and sinker is just terrible.

Ahh. So the government is "just as culpable"?

Color me surprised. I never would have guess somebody would go there. ////

41 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 8:50:39am

re: #38 Spare O'Lake

Hey, that's pretty amazing. You found a way to blame Obama for this.

42 jamesfirecat  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 8:51:02am

re: #38 Spare O'Lake

I wanted to give the Obama administration the benefit of the doubt on this one, but I guess you are right...those bastards threw another innocent public servant under the bus out of craven political expediency.
This is not to excuse Breitbart's conduct either, but why the government swallowed the bait hook, line and sinker is just terrible.

Yes by all means lets make this about something other than how Andrew Breitbart is a piece of scum given human form who ruins peoples lives by taking advantage of the climate of paranoia and hyper-partisanship he helped create.

43 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 8:51:58am

re: #35 MandyManners

Are you saying Wright is not a racist?

Rev. Wright is a completely dead issue. The only reason the right wing is resurrecting this boogeyman again is because it plays right into the deluge of outrageous race-baiting that's going on.

44 AK-47%  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 8:52:06am

re: #42 jamesfirecat

Yes by all means lets make this about something other than how Andrew Breitbart is a piece of scum given human form who ruins peoples lives by taking advantage of the climate of paranoia and hyper-partisanship he helped create.

He's only like that becasue Obama has forced him to be so. He would much rather be singing the praises of a conservative, republican administration.

/

45 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 8:52:15am

I hope this lady is blowing up some law firms phones.

46 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 8:52:31am

2 attempts so far to make this about something other than Breitbart.

1: Jeremiah Wright!!!
2: Spineless Bureaucrats!!!

What's next? Don't be shy. Let's get the wingnut take on this.

47 AK-47%  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 8:53:47am

Brilliant tactical move: either they keep her on and defend her, which keeps the story alinve and kicking for weeks, or they roll over, which makes them look spineless and/or complicit.

48 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 8:54:56am

re: #46 Fozzie Bear

2 attempts so far to make this about something other than Breitbart.

1: Jeremiah Wright!!!
2: Spineless Bureaucrats!!!

What's next? Don't be shy. Let's get the wingnut take on this.

Well to be fair, it is terrible that the USDA caved in the face of a witch hunt. A little spine would have been a very good thing and this would have been just another outrageous outrage. Instead we got this sickening behavior reinforced.

49 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 8:55:11am

re: #47 ralphieboy

Yes, well, as you can see, the base knows when to push those buttons.

The right has their dogs very well trained.

50 reidr  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 8:56:12am

I saw a reference to this mess in a Facebook comment this morning (friend of a friend). I didn't even know what it was about at the time. Someone made a snide crack about a USDA employee in defense of some other topic. The wingnuts love to grab onto these things as if they cancel out little things like torture, ill-conceived wars, etc. And not only are they utterly insignificant, they end up being false! Ugh! You just want to slap some sense into them.

51 garhighway  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 8:57:02am

re: #50 reidr

I saw a reference to this mess in a Facebook comment this morning (friend of a friend). I didn't even know what it was about at the time. Someone made a snide crack about a USDA employee in defense of some other topic. The wingnuts love to grab onto these things as if they cancel out little things like torture, ill-conceived wars, etc. And not only are they utterly insignificant, they end up being false! Ugh! You just want to slap some sense into them.

No slapping.

52 webevintage  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 8:57:06am

This shit needs to stop.
People need to begin fight the likes of Breitbart and FOX instead of just quietly resigning.
bah...


BTW, I admire the woman for even helping the farmer at all. It takes a lot to see a person in need of help when they are being a rude asshole to you and even more strength of character to then go even farther and become that persons friend.

53 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 8:57:07am

re: #48 LudwigVanQuixote

Yes, it's not good that they caved in right away, but if you're expecting principled behavior and a strong spine from government bureaucrats, you'll be waiting a long time to see it.

It's even more disturbing that the NAACP immediately caved in and denounced this woman, in a misguided attempt to be "fair." They were played by a con man, and an innocent person paid the price.

54 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 8:57:23am

Completely OT. My sister just had her baby.

I am the uncle to a new baby boy! Thank Hashem.

55 researchok  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 8:58:16am

Congrats, Uncle!

When does babysitting duty begin?

56 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 8:58:30am

re: #53 Charles

Yes, it's not good that they caved in right away, but if you're expecting principled behavior and a strong spine from government bureaucrats, you'll be waiting a long time to see it.

It's even more disturbing that the NAACP immediately caved in and denounced this woman, in a misguided attempt to be "fair." They were played by a con man, and an innocent person paid the price.

Restated for emphasis.

You are right of course. What should be and what is, are often very different.

57 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 8:58:49am

re: #53 Charles

Yes, it's not good that they caved in right away, but if you're expecting principled behavior and a strong spine from government bureaucrats, you'll be waiting a long time to see it.

It's even more disturbing that the NAACP immediately caved in and denounced this woman, in a misguided attempt to be "fair." They were played by a con man, and an innocent person paid the price.

Yep, everybody looks real good on this one.

58 Ebetty  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 8:59:22am

re: #54 LudwigVanQuixote

Babies are the best! Many congrats.

59 researchok  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 9:00:24am

CNN carried her remarks, stating that she got 'at least 3 calls from the White House asking me to resign'.

That can't be true.

60 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 9:01:03am

re: #50 reidr

I saw a reference to this mess in a Facebook comment this morning (friend of a friend). I didn't even know what it was about at the time. Someone made a snide crack about a USDA employee in defense of some other topic. The wingnuts love to grab onto these things as if they cancel out little things like torture, ill-conceived wars, etc. And not only are they utterly insignificant, they end up being false! Ugh! You just want to slap some sense into them.

What does this have to do with...

1) Torture
2) Ill Conceived Wars
3) Etc.

This has to do with a video that Breithbart totally misused, the evidence of what the woman was or wasn't saying was right on the tape, a news organization who certainly can see/hear what's on the tape but refuse to present the facts as the lady herself lays out in the tape and a jerk who is the head of the USDA who evidently didn't want his morning coffee disturbed and let her resign.

61 garhighway  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 9:01:55am

OT: Strangest NYT headline in recent memory:

"Russian Prosecutors Probe Parasailing Donkey"

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

62 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 9:01:57am

re: #48 LudwigVanQuixote

Well to be fair, it is terrible that the USDA caved in the face of a witch hunt. A little spine would have been a very good thing and this would have been just another outrageous outrage. Instead we got this sickening behavior reinforced.

Of course, I agree that they reacted too quickly.

But, that doesn't make this about them, nor does it make it at all their fault. Everybody got to see ACORN utterly destroyed over nothing. That creates fear, which creates a jumpy atmosphere. Nobody wants to be the next target of the right. People haven't forgotten about ACORN, and further back, MLK, JFK, RFK.

This is the American political style. The leaders on the right scare their base, the base scare the political opponents of their leaders, and much of the time they get their way. It all depends on paranoia and fear to work.

63 wrenchwench  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 9:01:58am

re: #59 researchok

CNN carried her remarks, stating that she got 'at least 3 calls from the White House asking me to resign'.

That can't be true.

Is there a pay phone outside the White House?

/

64 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 9:02:08am

re: #55 researchok

Congrats, Uncle!

When does babysitting duty begin?

Dunno, but I have a trip to make! Mother and baby are doing well. He's, thank G-d all in one piece, and almost 10 lbs. This is insane since my sister is 5'0" and maybe 105 lbs when not pregnant. My brother in law, her husband (who is a great guy) will be calling with more details for upcoming family events.

65 researchok  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 9:03:03am

re: #63 wrenchwench

Is there a pay phone outside the White House?

/

Would be nice if that were true. She should not have been forced out.

66 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 9:03:12am

re: #59 researchok

CNN carried her remarks, stating that she got 'at least 3 calls from the White House asking me to resign'.

That can't be true.

[Link: www.cnn.com...]
Didn't look it over, but there's the link.

67 Radicchio ad Absurdum  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 9:03:45am

re: #59 researchok

CNN carried her remarks, stating that she got 'at least 3 calls from the White House asking me to resign'.

That can't be true.

Why not?

68 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 9:04:30am

re: #57 Spare O'Lake

Yep, everybody looks real good on this one.

No, the person who looks bad is Andrew Breitbart, no matter how you'd like to try to spread the blame around.

69 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 9:05:02am

re: #62 Fozzie Bear

Of course, I agree that they reacted too quickly.

But, that doesn't make this about them, nor does it make it at all their fault. Everybody got to see ACORN utterly destroyed over nothing. That creates fear, which creates a jumpy atmosphere. Nobody wants to be the next target of the right. People haven't forgotten about ACORN, and further back, MLK, JFK, RFK.

This is the American political style. The leaders on the right scare their base, the base scare the political opponents of their leaders, and much of the time they get their way. It all depends on paranoia and fear to work.

You have a very jaded view of the Obama administration.

70 researchok  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 9:05:15am

re: #64 LudwigVanQuixote

Dunno, but I have a trip to make! Mother and baby are doing well. He's, thank G-d all in one piece, and almost 10 lbs. This is insane since my sister is 5'0" and maybe 105 lbs when not pregnant. My brother in law, her husband (who is a great guy) will be calling with more details for upcoming family events.

Ah, rugrats.

This ought to put you in the mood.

71 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 9:05:19am

re: #48 LudwigVanQuixote

Well to be fair, it is terrible that the USDA caved in the face of a witch hunt. A little spine would have been a very good thing and this would have been just another outrageous outrage. Instead we got this sickening behavior reinforced.

The yokels are looking for a reason to start a race war. What is the proposed administration's end game here, that they should keep her on while fighting these charges, call Breitbart and FOX the lying racist motherfuckers that they are, become synonymous with the NAACP? Because that's what the yokels are looking for, a reason, and the USDA makes for fantastic conspiracy fodder.

Noose, it's what's for dinner®

72 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 9:05:43am

re: #69 Spare O'Lake

You have a very jaded view of the Obama administration.

I don't really care what wingnuts think.

73 Kronocide  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 9:06:37am

While I find outrage in Breitbart and the ability of this 'outrageous outrage' to gain traction, and the quick roll over and resignation, what the hell gives with wishing somebody has cancer and updinging it?

Find the outrage and feel it, be outraged. Don't act outrageous.

74 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 9:06:54am

re: #62 Fozzie Bear

The leaders on the right scare their base,
Thank God only one side resorts to those tactics!

75 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 9:07:00am

re: #54 LudwigVanQuixote

Completely OT. My sister just had her baby.

I am the uncle to a new baby boy! Thank Hashem.

CONGRATS!!!

76 Ebetty  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 9:07:27am

re: #70 researchok

Must be in the air. My fmr boss, Lizzy, is seriously considering adoption when she's in Africa. Two of my friends are having babies. Hope for all of us. Cute video.

77 researchok  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 9:07:36am

re: #67 Radicchio ad Absurdum

Why not?

Because the WH has no business micro managing like that.

She deserves a fair hearing. The WH has no business interfering.

78 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 9:08:45am

re: #77 researchok

Because the WH has no business micro managing like that.

She deserves a fair hearing. The WH has no business interfering.

But you said it can't be true.

79 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 9:09:19am

re: #54 LudwigVanQuixote

Completely OT. My sister just had her baby.

I am the uncle to a new baby boy! Thank Hashem.

Uncle Ludwig!

(1st time?? I'm an uncle 5 times over and a GRAND uncle two times ,,, ugh!)

80 researchok  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 9:10:18am

re: #78 Walter L. Newton

But you said it can't be true.

I was wrong. I'm watching the interview now. That woman was railroaded.

The farmers wife credits her with helping to save the farm. She was screwed over by a landslide started by Breitbart. Shame on him.

81 Radicchio ad Absurdum  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 9:10:46am

re: #77 researchok

Because the WH has no business micro managing like that.

She deserves a fair hearing. The WH has no business interfering.

I disagree. Without commenting on what they did here specifically, I think it is specifically their business, especially if it is going to blow up in their face and take the message away from where they want it.

82 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 9:10:52am

re: #54 LudwigVanQuixote

Completely OT. My sister just had her baby.

I am the uncle to a new baby boy! Thank Hashem.

Mazel Tov!
And, as my aunt Sadie would say, "Nu so what are you waiting for, a written invitation?"

83 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 9:11:25am

re: #64 LudwigVanQuixote

Dunno, but I have a trip to make! Mother and baby are doing well. He's, thank G-d all in one piece, and almost 10 lbs. This is insane since my sister is 5'0" and maybe 105 lbs when not pregnant. My brother in law, her husband (who is a great guy) will be calling with more details for upcoming family events.

It's nice to have extended family... on my side, nothing, a lot gone, others, who knows.

Congrats.

84 Kefirah  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 9:11:31am

re: #54 LudwigVanQuixote

b'sha'ah tovah, indeed!

mazal tov!

85 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 9:11:47am

re: #77 researchok

Because the WH has no business micro managing like that.

She deserves a fair hearing. The WH has no business interfering.

Can you cite where the WH interfered? It isn't mentioned in the CNN article.

86 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 9:12:27am

re: #85 Fozzie Bear

Can you cite where the WH interfered? It isn't mentioned in the CNN article.

"ey Sherrod, who resigned Monday as the department's former state director of rural development for Georgia, told CNN she had four calls telling her the White House wanted her to resign. She was driving at the time, she said, and the last call asked her to pull to the side of the road and offer her resignation."

87 researchok  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 9:12:33am

re: #76 Ebetty

Must be in the air. My fmr boss, Lizzy, is seriously considering adoption when she's in Africa. Two of my friends are having babies. Hope for all of us. Cute video.

I loved doing that dad thing. See this for a few bon mots on my experience.

88 researchok  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 9:13:04am

re: #85 Fozzie Bear

Can you cite where the WH interfered? It isn't mentioned in the CNN article.

She just gave a live interview on CNN.

89 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 9:13:09am

re: #86 Walter L. Newton

"ey Sherrod, who resigned Monday as the department's former state director of rural development for Georgia, told CNN she had four calls telling her the White House wanted her to resign. She was driving at the time, she said, and the last call asked her to pull to the side of the road and offer her resignation."

Er... Shirley Sherrod, who resigned...

90 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 9:13:50am

Ahh ok, I'm not watching the video content.

91 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 9:13:51am

re: #73 BigPapa

While I find outrage in Breitbart and the ability of this 'outrageous outrage' to gain traction, and the quick roll over and resignation, what the hell gives with wishing somebody has cancer and updinging it?

Find the outrage and feel it, be outraged. Don't act outrageous.

eeww ,, where?? I'll offset the upding , STAT

92 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 9:14:04am

re: #71 goddamnedfrank

The yokels are looking for a reason to start a race war. What is the proposed administration's end game here, that they should keep her on while fighting these charges, call Breitbart and FOX the lying racist motherfuckers that they are, become synonymous with the NAACP? Because that's what the yokels are looking for, a reason, and the USDA makes for fantastic conspiracy fodder.

Noose, it's what's for dinner®

Well, calling for race war is sedition. Step one might be to put some of those cretins in the slam when they get out of line. We can either start standing these cretins down, or let them become emboldened and pay more later.

Obama is making the same sorts of mistakes that Israel routinely makes in the PR game. Rather than playing defense to the baseless charges of and utter slanders of monsters, he should play offence and shine a light on just how racist, misogynistic and dishonest the wingnuts are - and those that call for violence should simply be arrested and given nice, open public trials so that everyone can see the scum for what they are.

93 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 9:14:10am

re: #85 Fozzie Bear

Can you cite where the WH interfered? It isn't mentioned in the CNN article.

Which article are you reading? Here is where I pulled that quote...

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

94 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 9:14:28am

re: #90 Fozzie Bear

Ahh ok, I'm not watching the video content.

It's in this text too...

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

95 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 9:14:43am

re: #79 sattv4u2

Uncle Ludwig!

(1st time?? I'm an uncle 5 times over and a GRAND uncle two times ,,, ugh!)

No this is my third niece or nephew. I need to get married already and play some catch up.

96 researchok  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 9:15:27am

re: #81 Radicchio ad Absurdum

I disagree. Without commenting on what they did here specifically, I think it is specifically their business, especially if it is going to blow up in their face and take the message away from where they want it.

I disagree.

Her bosses should have dealt with the issue. The WH brings huge- and at times such as this- unnecessary influence to bear.

97 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 9:16:22am

re: #86 Walter L. Newton

"ey Sherrod, who resigned Monday as the department's former state director of rural development for Georgia, told CNN she had four calls telling her the White House wanted her to resign. She was driving at the time, she said, and the last call asked her to pull to the side of the road and offer her resignation."

If true, then the WH reaction may well become the main story, regardless of Breitbart's misconduct.

98 reidr  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 9:16:32am

re: #51 garhighway

No slapping.

Punch, kick, shake, pummel... your choice then.

99 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 9:16:41am

re: #93 Walter L. Newton

re: #94 Walter L. Newton

I found it. For some reason the find feature with the string "white house" didn't produce a result at first.

100 Radicchio ad Absurdum  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 9:16:46am

re: #96 researchok

I disagree.

Her bosses should have dealt with the issue. The WH brings huge- and at times such as this- unnecessary influence to bear.

I know you are but what am I?/

101 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 9:16:51am

re: #95 LudwigVanQuixote

No this is my third niece or nephew. I need to get married already and play some catch up.

so many comebacks,,, so little time!!!
/

102 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 9:16:53am

If someone from the Obama administration demanded her resignation, this is really going to backfire on Breitbart -- because they're not going to want to let him con them again.

Sherrod should be reinstated, and given an apology for this knee-jerk reaction.

Breitbart should be shunned by decent people.

103 avanti  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 9:17:32am

re: #41 Charles

Fox news has shifted gears this AM to do just that. They are having the lady on in a hour or so. Yesterday it was about her racism, today it's over reaction against a innocent woman.
Giving Fox credit, they did admit that her story was distorted.

104 garhighway  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 9:18:17am

re: #97 Spare O'Lake

If true, then the WH reaction may well become the main story, regardless of Breitbart's misconduct.

Keep hoping.

105 webevintage  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 9:18:28am

So if the person who was insisting she resign was actually telling her the truth then I'd suggest the WH needs to grow a pair when it comes to this Breitbart stuff.
AB must be stopped....this reminds me of the McCarthey Era when someone could just have their life ruined by a hint of an accusation.

106 Kronocide  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 9:18:42am

re: #97 Spare O'Lake

If true, then the WH reaction may well become the main story, regardless of Breitbart's misconduct.

That would put Breitbart in a pickle wouldn't it?

107 Kronocide  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 9:19:07am

Thank you Charles.

108 Kefirah  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 9:19:54am

in the spirit of confronting hate.mongering [especially today on tisha b'av], i give you tablet magazine's take on glenn beck:

"glenn beck goes there."

[Link: www.tabletmag.com...]

beck and gibson should get together.

re: #103 avanti

while i agree with you that it's a good thing fox news is owning up to distortion, i would like to point out that it's a sad day in journalism when we'll give brownie points for doing the right thing.

109 Kronocide  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 9:20:17am

re: #102 Charles


Sherrod should be reinstated, and given an apology for this knee-jerk reaction.

That would be a strong refudiation of Breitbart.

110 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 9:20:30am

Don't matter, right, left, someone was upsetting the plutocracy and kleptocracy and people like Sherrod got stuck. Bottom line, it's folks like us that get fucked in the end.

111 Obdicut  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 9:20:35am

re: #105 webevintage

Also, "White house" can mean a lot of stuff to a lot of people.

I wonder if this is going to turn into a Python skit:

"The people who have sacked the people who have just been sacked have just been sacked."

112 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 9:20:39am

re: #97 Spare O'Lake

If true, then the WH reaction may well become the main story, regardless of Breitbart's misconduct.

Oh, what crap.

The reaction to a lie is now a bigger story than the lie? You've got to be kidding with this nonsense.

113 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 9:21:08am

re: #103 avanti

Fox news has shifted gears this AM to do just that. They are having the lady on in a hour or so. Yesterday it was about her racism, today it's over reaction against a innocent woman.
Giving Fox credit, they did admit that her story was distorted.

By Breitbart. They won't admit that they made the same calculated, dishonest, racist move because it conforms to and confirms their viewer bias.

114 avanti  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 9:21:32am

re: #102 Charles

If someone from the Obama administration demanded her resignation, this is really going to backfire on Breitbart -- because they're not going to want to let him con them again.

Sherrod should be reinstated, and given an apology for this knee-jerk reaction.

Breitbart should be shunned by decent people.

Fox just said she was given a leave of absence on her car phone, than asked to resign minutes later, than to pull over a resign right there.

Someone acted way too quickly to a bogus blogger story. McCarthy would be so proud.

115 Obdicut  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 9:22:10am

re: #112 Charles

Turns out McCarthy wasn't the story, it was all those damn intellectuals that caved under pressure and signed the loyalty oaths. Those bastards!

//

116 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 9:22:25am

re: #110 Walter L. Newton

Don't matter, right, left, someone was upsetting the plutocracy and kleptocracy and people like Sherrod got stuck. Bottom line, it's folks like us that get fucked in the end.

USDA is a kleptocracy?

117 researchok  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 9:22:33am

Breitbart ought to have his press credentials revoked.

It won't happen, but it should. He's crossed the line too many times now.

118 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 9:22:53am

200 retweets. Impressive.

119 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 9:22:59am

re: #112 Charles

Oh, what crap.

The reaction to a lie is now a bigger story than the lie? You've got to be kidding with this nonsense.

No. But the WH should have waited it out, gotten to the bottom of the story (as you and others here have) before calling on the woman to resign

120 reidr  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 9:23:02am

re: #60 Walter L. Newton

What does this have to do with...

1) Torture
2) Ill Conceived Wars
3) Etc.

This has to do with a video that Breithbart totally misused, the evidence of what the woman was or wasn't saying was right on the tape, a news organization who certainly can see/hear what's on the tape but refuse to present the facts as the lady herself lays out in the tape and a jerk who is the head of the USDA who evidently didn't want his morning coffee disturbed and let her resign.

I'm not sure what your point is, because that's exactly my point. Someone posted something somewhat political on facebook, and a wingnut friend of his dismissed it with a "Yeah, well look at the USDA lady!" post. Not all outrages are created equal.

121 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 9:23:07am

re: #108 Kefirah

re: #103 avanti

Fox is not doing the right thing. If they switch gears at all, it is because they see this as a two for one slam on Obama. He is the main target, and they think they can get more blood this way. They will forget that just hours before they were calling for this woman's head, repaint her as a saint and attempt to smear Obama. In the mean time, by supporting her, they will claim through crocodile tears that tehy are not racist.

122 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 9:23:08am

re: #117 researchok

Breitbart ought to have his press credentials revoked.

It won't happen, but it should. He's crossed the line too many times now.

Does he even have any press credentials to lose?

123 researchok  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 9:24:07am

re: #116 Fozzie Bear

USDA is a kleptocracy?

Metaphors can be instructive.

124 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 9:25:13am

re: #121 LudwigVanQuixote

Glenn Beck offered her a spot on his show tonight. (on his radio show this AM)

125 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 9:25:22am

re: #120 reidr

I'm not sure what your point is, because that's exactly my point. Someone posted something somewhat political on facebook, and a wingnut friend of his dismissed it with a "Yeah, well look at the USDA lady!" post. Not all outrages are created equal.

And who responded up thread with "...as if they cancel out little things like torture, ill-conceived wars, etc."?

126 jamesfirecat  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 9:25:31am

re: #97 Spare O'Lake

If true, then the WH reaction may well become the main story, regardless of Breitbart's misconduct.

If it does then it'll loose another scrap of my respect for humanity/the American Public....

127 avanti  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 9:25:39am

re: #121 LudwigVanQuixote

re: #103 avanti

Fox is not doing the right thing. If they switch gears at all, it is because they see this as a two for one slam on Obama. He is the main target, and they think they can get more blood this way. They will forget that just hours before they were calling for this woman's head, repaint her as a saint and attempt to smear Obama. In the mean time, by supporting her, they will claim through crocodile tears that tehy are not racist.

I agree, the only reason they are going to report the story accurately today is to spear the POTUS in a new way, since the raciest story may not work.

128 Obdicut  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 9:26:12am

re: #110 Walter L. Newton

Don't matter, right, left, someone was upsetting the plutocracy and kleptocracy and people like Sherrod got stuck. Bottom line, it's folks like us that get fucked in the end.

No. Brietbart targeted a particular woman in his insane, racist animus, and she was fired in a muddle of panic. This wasn't some troublesome cog being destroyed by the machine, this was open slander and libel by Breitbart.

And he has been enabled by all those who went along with the ACORN story, by all those who are gabbling about the New Black Panther story, and all of those who are either not noticing or not caring that a blatant racist is leading them by the nose.

129 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 9:27:12am

re: #116 Fozzie Bear

USDA is a kleptocracy?

Did I say USDA? I referred to the kleptocracy and plutocracy, for me, that's the Federal Government, period. If the metaphor fits, they can wear it.

130 reidr  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 9:27:23am

re: #125 Walter L. Newton

And who responded up thread with "...as if they cancel out little things like torture, ill-conceived wars, etc."?

I'm not allowed to generalize? Excuse me for trying to make a larger point.

131 Obdicut  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 9:27:29am

re: #124 Cannadian Club Akbar

Glenn Beck offered her a spot on his show tonight. (on his radio show this AM)

It's stuff like that that makes me think Beck is actually freaking insane. You'd have thought he learnt his lesson after Massa.

If he does have her on, I doubt the story is going to wind up like he thinks it will.

132 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 9:27:41am

Has this been linked to yet?
On CNN, wife of farmer says former USDA official is a "friend" who "helped us save our farm" (video)

"She helped up save our farm"

133 garhighway  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 9:27:54am

re: #131 Obdicut

It's stuff like that that makes me think Beck is actually freaking insane. You'd have thought he learnt his lesson after Massa.

If he does have her on, I doubt the story is going to wind up like he thinks it will.

We can hope.

134 SpaceJesus  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 9:27:54am

breitbart is beneath pond scum

135 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 9:28:11am

re: #129 Walter L. Newton

Did I say USDA? I referred to the kleptocracy and plutocracy, for me, that's the Federal Government, period. If the metaphor fits, they can wear it.

Well, that was a random and utterly unrelated bit of ranting. Thanks for that.

Now can we talk about the issue at hand and dispense with the repeated attempts to change the subject?

136 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 9:28:16am

re: #129 Walter L. Newton

Did I say USDA? I referred to the kleptocracy and plutocracy, for me, that's the Federal Government, period. If the metaphor fits, they can wear it.

Why do you hate the troops?

137 researchok  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 9:28:26am

re: #128 Obdicut

No. Brietbart targeted a particular woman in his insane, racist animus, and she was fired in a muddle of panic. This wasn't some troublesome cog being destroyed by the machine, this was open slander and libel by Breitbart.

And he has been enabled by all those who went along with the ACORN story, by all those who are gabbling about the New Black Panther story, and all of those who are either not noticing or not caring that a blatant racist is leading them by the nose.

All true, but the reaction from the agency was equally predictable. She deserved a fair hearing and not be discarded as quickly as possible.

138 garhighway  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 9:28:34am

re: #134 SpaceJesus

breitbart is beneath pond scum

Then how does he breathe?

139 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 9:28:40am

re: #124 Cannadian Club Akbar

Glenn Beck offered her a spot on his show tonight. (on his radio show this AM)

And there you have it. The circus intensifies. IF she slams Obama, Beck will make her into a martyr. If she slams the racism, she will be cast as another "uppity" racist black person.

140 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 9:28:49am

re: #131 Obdicut

I think he backs her. But only to get at Obama.

141 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 9:29:37am

re: #128 Obdicut

No. Brietbart targeted a particular woman in his insane, racist animus, and she was fired in a muddle of panic. This wasn't some troublesome cog being destroyed by the machine, this was open slander and libel by Breitbart.

And he has been enabled by all those who went along with the ACORN story, by all those who are gabbling about the New Black Panther story, and all of those who are either not noticing or not caring that a blatant racist is leading them by the nose.

I've never cut Breitbart any slack in this (or anything else), but ANYONE who decided to ask her to resign, 4 times by her account, I don't care who they are, are scum. Reactionary, cover our ass, sweep it under the carpet... scum.

142 Obdicut  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 9:29:48am

re: #137 researchok

All true, but the reaction from the agency was equally predictable. She deserved a fair hearing and not be discarded as quickly as possible.

Absolutely. And I hope that something is done about it.

143 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 9:30:12am

re: #141 Walter L. Newton

Don't forget kleptocrats and plutocrats. Cause that makes total sense. /

144 researchok  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 9:30:45am

re: #142 Obdicut

Absolutely. And I hope that something is done about it.

And I hope it starts with Breitbart.

145 researchok  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 9:31:21am

Helluva day. I'm the same page as Walter.

146 jamesfirecat  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 9:32:06am

re: #145 researchok

Helluva day. I'm the same page as Walter.

You're also on the same page as me if you think we should start with Brietbart before we worry about how people reacted to his lies.

Try to keep your feet on the floor.

147 steve_davis  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 9:32:07am

If her resignation was basically forced because of this, does she have any legal remedy at all? Normally, suing for a job you've been forced to leave is kind of a non-starter, as by that point, you typically don't want a judge to give you that job back, but here, Breitbart clearly has demonstrated malice if he's selectively edited the tape, and he's damaged the woman professionally (clearly!). That's got to be worth something, no?

148 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 9:32:26am

re: #143 Fozzie Bear

Don't forget kleptocrats and plutocrats. Cause that makes total sense. /

Don't worry. Next comes the claim of sarcasim follow by a yawn.

149 Obdicut  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 9:32:46am

re: #141 Walter L. Newton

I've never cut Breitbart any slack in this (or anything else), but ANYONE who decided to ask her to resign, 4 times by her account, I don't care who they are, are scum. Reactionary, cover our ass, sweep it under the carpet... scum.

That's nice, Walter. You are, however, cutting Brietbart slack when you say the reason she was fired was upsetting the plutocracy and kleptocracy. That's not why she was fired. She was fired because of a reaction to a story by Brietbart, a McCarthyist smear job.

Also, we have a very low amount of government corruption. We're not a kleptocracy.

[Link: www.nationmaster.com...]

[Link: www.transparency.org...]

150 Kronocide  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 9:33:03am

re: #112 Charles


The reaction to a lie is now a bigger story than the lie? You've got to be kidding with this nonsense.

I don't know if Spare is saying or implying it will be. However, if 'knee jerk reaction to story by jerk' gained any traction, this could really blow up in Breitbart's face. Any knocks the WH took in reaction would be dwarfed by a reinstatement and public apology by the Big Guy for giving in to the 'politics of personal destruction.' Net sum, lady gets her job back, Obama gets cred, Breitbart gets his just deserts, and the Fauxrage industry gets a message.

I doubt it will go beyond this though. Fantasy? Maybe.

151 Kragar  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 9:33:39am

Motherfuckers

152 researchok  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 9:33:58am

re: #147 steve_davis

If her resignation was basically forced because of this, does she have any legal remedy at all? Normally, suing for a job you've been forced to leave is kind of a non-starter, as by that point, you typically don't want a judge to give you that job back, but here, Breitbart clearly has demonstrated malice if he's selectively edited the tape, and he's damaged the woman professionally (clearly!). That's got to be worth something, no?

Breibart will defend himself by saying the USDA fired her after coming to their own conclusions.

153 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 9:34:07am

re: #147 steve_davis

If her resignation was basically forced because of this, does she have any legal remedy at all? Normally, suing for a job you've been forced to leave is kind of a non-starter, as by that point, you typically don't want a judge to give you that job back, but here, Breitbart clearly has demonstrated malice if he's selectively edited the tape, and he's damaged the woman professionally (clearly!). That's got to be worth something, no?

That is an interesting point. A libel case might do some good. That could rack up some millions. Actually, even forcing him to defend it, could put him out of commission.

A really smart move, would be for the Dems to get her some big mean Jewish lawyers.

154 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 9:34:12am

re: #150 BigPapa

I don't know if Spare is saying or implying it will be. However, if 'knee jerk reaction to story by jerk' gained any traction, this could really blow up in Breitbart's face. Any knocks the WH took in reaction would be dwarfed by a reinstatement and public apology by the Big Guy for giving in to the 'politics of personal destruction.' Net sum, lady gets her job back, Obama gets cred, Breitbart gets his just deserts, and the Fauxrage industry gets a message.

I doubt it will go beyond this though. Fantasy? Maybe.

This is what I fervently hope will happen.

Followed by a civil slander charge against Breitbart.

155 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 9:35:00am

re: #154 Fozzie Bear

This is what I fervently hope will happen.

Followed by a civil slander charge against Breitbart.

That would be a good start.

156 webevintage  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 9:35:11am

Of course this is why everyone should operate with a 24 hour rule...especially if the outrage is being generated by AB.

157 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 9:35:42am

re: #148 wlewisiii

Don't worry. Next comes the claim of sarcasim follow by a yawn.

No... I only give yawns out to people I like... for you... a "what ever."

158 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 9:36:05am

re: #156 webevintage

Of course this is why everyone should operate with a 24 hour rule...especially if the outrage is being generated by AB.

The first sentence said it all, IMO.

159 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 9:37:46am

Yeah, there is something to be said for saying nothing other than "we are looking into it, and have no further comment at this time."

Whatever happened to that?

160 Ebetty  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 9:37:51am

re: #87 researchok

Lizzy added you to my reader before she left. Nice piece, she printed that off & had it above her desk. Left it here for me, told me that's how my dad sees me. She's the one who recommended I come to LGF, said that someone she knew trusted the wide variety of opinions here. As always, she was right.

She loves kids and being a Mom. She was widowed when her daughter was a baby, always wanted more kids. She was in a long-distance thing for the last couple years. I don't know what happened but she felt like he would never commit. I think that's why she loved that piece you sent.

She told me that if all men spoke that way, all the time, the world would be a better place. I guess that's why she's considering adoption now. She accepted he didn't really want the same things with the same urgency she had. She wants to, by force of will, make the world a better place. She's almost 40 and way, way more idealistic than anyone I know.

She played this baby video on a loop.

161 Kragar  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 9:38:17am

re: #159 Fozzie Bear

Yeah, there is something to be said for saying nothing other than "we are looking into it, and have no further comment at this time."

Whatever happened to that?

ITS A COVER UP!
/

162 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 9:39:08am

re: #161 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

ITS A COVER UP!
/

I wouldn't be at all surprised.

163 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 9:39:33am

re: #162 Fozzie Bear

(...if that were the narrative, not if there were a cover up)

164 Targetpractice  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 9:40:33am

re: #152 researchok

Breibart will defend himself by saying the USDA fired her after coming to their own conclusions.

Exactly. "I just presented the 'evidence,' they're the ones that pulled the trigger" or something to that effect. They say a lie becomes the truth if repeated often enough, and with the modern MSM and the 24/7 news cycle, a lie can be repeated a hundred times or more before the truth ever gains traction. By the time the reality of Breibart's editing had been revealed and posted, people across the country would be reading yesterday's headlines on today's newspapers and demanding this woman's head on a platter.

165 wrenchwench  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 9:40:53am

Ben Jealous's last tweet was this:

Racism is about abuse of power. Sherrod had it at USDA. She abused a white farmer because of his race. NAACP is appalled. Go to naacp.org

That was from 10:22 PM Monday. So I went to naacp.org, and there is not a word about Shirley Sherrod. Did it get pulled already?

166 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 9:42:55am

NAACP definitely messed up on this.

Breitbart played everybody, again.

167 darthstar  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 9:43:37am

She's still black. That's good enough for Fox. Fuckers.

168 theheat  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 9:43:40am

So, you take a very raw, interesting, story about the common struggles all Americans share, paint it up like reverse racism, let Fox and Breitbart run with it, and a woman loses her job and has her reputation smeared. Does that about sum it up?

There'll be a lot of cornfed white people crowing about this. I should probably check my inbox, and see what the ALL CAPS Comic Sans-n-kittens-n-flags cage bangers are blindly FW fwding today.

169 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 9:43:48am

From now on, when I think of Hoof & Mouth disease I will think of Andrew Breitbart.

170 researchok  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 9:45:37am

re: #168 theheat

So, you take a very raw, interesting, story about the common struggles all Americans share, paint it up like reverse racism, let Fox and Breitbart run with it, and a woman loses her job and has her reputation smeared. Does that about sum it up?

There'll be a lot of cornfed white people crowing about this. I should probably check my inbox, and see what the ALL CAPS Comic Sans-n-kittens-n-flags cage bangers are blindly FW fwding today.

Tell me this is satire. Please.

171 Ebetty  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 9:45:39am

Breitbart is, without question, a complete douche. But I think we should note "The White House" didn't DO anything. It's a building. Obama Admin officials are responsible for being played, yet again, by some lunatic on the fringe.

Fox, CNN and MSNBC should be ashamed for broadcasting any item they picked off of breitbart's page.

172 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 9:45:47am

I asked earlier, and I don't see any replies...

Does Breitbart have any sort of press credentials, a WH press pass, whatever?

173 garhighway  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 9:47:20am

Kagan out of committee...

[Link: www.talkingpointsmemo.com...]

174 Targetpractice  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 9:47:26am

re: #159 Fozzie Bear

Yeah, there is something to be said for saying nothing other than "we are looking into it, and have no further comment at this time."

Whatever happened to that?

The 24/7 news cycle. If you're not Johnny-on-the-spot with a detailed rebuttal, then the speculation begins. The morning news takes declaration of the matter "being looked into" as an "admission" that there's something to the accusations. By the midday news, they've hunted down former employees who "corroborate" the "admission." By the afternoon news, they've got experts in there who can tell the audience that this is "nothing new." And by the 11pm news, the MSM's dug through their archives and found past instances that show that the morning "admission" is all but certainly proof that the "evidence" is authentic.

175 wrenchwench  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 9:47:50am

re: #165 wrenchwench

Ben Jealous's last tweet was this:

That was from 10:22 PM Monday. So I went to naacp.org, and there is not a word about Shirley Sherrod. Did it get pulled already?

I found a link, but I get a blank page: [Link: www.naacp.org...]

176 researchok  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 9:48:08am

re: #172 Fozzie Bear

I asked earlier, and I don't see any replies...

Does Breitbart have any sort of press credentials, a WH press pass, whatever?

I don't know for certain but I assume does. He runs a 'news' organization. WH press pass is another matter.

177 avanti  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 9:48:14am

Beck is rumored to have re: #139 LudwigVanQuixote

And there you have it. The circus intensifies. IF she slams Obama, Beck will make her into a martyr. If she slams the racism, she will be cast as another "uppity" racist black person.

First Beck takes credit for forcing her resignation, now he'll slam them for being dumb enough to listen.

178 Ebetty  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 9:49:38am

re: #87 researchok

Here's another of her favorites. We punctuate good days with "oogachaka" around here. Crazy PR people!

179 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 9:49:42am

re: #175 wrenchwench

I found a link, but I get a blank page: [Link: www.naacp.org...]

Yep, they've pulled their denunciation of Sherrod.

180 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 9:50:06am

Google's cache comes through again:

[Link: www.naacp.org...]

181 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 9:50:36am

They REALLY should apologize too.

Then start diligently working up a file on Breitbart.

182 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 9:50:51am

Actually SPLC should do that.

183 theheat  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 9:51:12am

re: #170 researchok

It isn't always Comic Sans. Sometimes they use script fonts, and a puppy.

184 Ebetty  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 9:51:15am

re: #172 Fozzie Bear

Breitbart is not a member of the White House Correspondent's Assoc. to my knowledge, looking at the most current list in our office. Not sure if he's credentialed elsewhere.

185 wrenchwench  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 9:53:04am

re: #180 Charles

Google's cache comes through again:

[Link: www.naacp.org...]

Thanks. I'll have to learn how to do that.

Ben Jealous has some back-pedaling to do. Sherrod should forgive him, or roast him, depending on his reaction.

186 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 9:53:27am

re: #181 Fozzie Bear

They REALLY should apologize too. Then start diligently working up a file on Breitbart.

How many stunts that backfire in his face does he have to pull before he becomes radioactive and any media stays away from him?

187 huggy77  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 9:53:40am

if a prominent white tea partier would have used the terms "one of his own" It would be a story on this blog for a week, no matter what the context, and be linked to every time the tea party is mentioned.

Every Palin miss step is a headline yet we are deprived of the comedic genius that is our vice president...

This site is starting to look like the daily kos, but with superior ajax programming.

188 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 9:54:48am

Mexico arrests man with 18 monkeys around his waist

[Link: www.bbc.co.uk...]

Nothing else needs to be said!

189 Targetpractice  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 9:54:57am

re: #187 huggy77

GAZE

190 wrenchwench  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 9:55:00am

re: #187 huggy77

Apparently 77 Huggies aren't enough to contain it all.

191 jc717  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 9:55:15am

Breibart is still scum and democrats are still pussies.
News at 11.

She deserved better.

192 darthstar  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 9:56:37am

re: #187 huggy77

Our Vice President has been fairly gaffe-free for a while now. I know you WANT him to say stupid shit, but he doesn't. Palin can't help but say stupid shit.

Perhaps you'd be more comfortable at Hot Air where they speak in tongues you understand.

193 wee fury  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 9:56:40am

But, are huggies environmentally friendly, I wonder.

194 AK-47%  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 9:56:52am

re: #188 sattv4u2

Mexico arrests man with 18 monkeys around his waist

[Link: www.bbc.co.uk...]

Nothing else needs to be said!

No, it gets worse: two of them suffocated, he said that he tied them around his waist because he did want them to be exposed to x-rays if they were in his luggage

195 garhighway  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 9:57:36am

re: #194 ralphieboy

No, it gets worse: two of them suffocated, he said that he tied them around his waist because he did want them to be exposed to x-rays if they were in his luggage

That seems reasonable.

196 theheat  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 9:57:46am

re: #187 huggy77

So, are you a fan of Comic Sans or script fonts? Puppies or kittens?

197 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 9:57:47am

re: #194 ralphieboy

No, it gets worse: two of them suffocated, he said that he tied them around his waist because he did want them to be exposed to x-rays if they were in his luggage

I know. I read the story and the how/why/where/what of it

Still,, the headline made me chuckle

198 AK-47%  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 9:58:11am

re: #195 garhighway

That seems reasonable.


Everyone knows the only way to smuggle monkeys is in your trousers,,,

199 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 9:59:06am

re: #198 ralphieboy

Everyone knows the only way to smuggle monkeys is in your trousers,,,

I thought that was gerbils??

NTTAWWT!!!

200 Amory Blaine  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 9:59:22am

Hopefully, she has a legal case as I would like to see her sue.

201 wee fury  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 10:00:05am

Fact check. Fact check. Fact check. Each and every story and photo. Fact check.
/it is also a tongue-twister.

202 researchok  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 10:01:22am

re: #187 huggy77

if a prominent white tea partier would have used the terms "one of his own" It would be a story on this blog for a week, no matter what the context, and be linked to every time the tea party is mentioned.

Every Palin miss step is a headline yet we are deprived of the comedic genius that is our vice president...

This site is starting to look like the daily kos, but with superior ajax programming.

I have no problem with this story being featured on LGF. It deserves the attention.

That said, I will say that at times there does seem to be a focus on people who are not in power, who do not make laws or write bills. Good government comes from monitoring the people who are actually in power and by questioning those who do wield power.

When all is said and done, this governments successes and failures have nothing to do with the FOX News Glenn Beck, Tea Party or wingnuts any more than a GOP successes and failures have to with MSNBC's Chris Matthews, Code Pink or moonbats.

I can feel the bricks already.

203 Targetpractice  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 10:01:43am

This is basically the 21st century version of "Have you stopped beating your wife?". Now, any yahoo with a bit of editing skills and a powerful enough computer can take a video of you and your wife out on the town and, in the space of an hour, turn it into a video of you beating the hell out of her. After that, they don't even need to go to the media anymore, just have a Youtube account and the media will hunt down the video and proliferate it for them.

By the time you find out about the edited video, the cops are on your front doorstep to arrest you for spousal abuse and the media's already trying you in the court of public opinion, with the verdict never in doubt.

204 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 10:02:33am

re: #200 Amory Blaine

Hopefully, she has a legal case as I would like to see her sue.

What would the "legal case" be?

She's a public employee. Breitbart, a sensationalist "journalist" authored a sensationalist piece. The WH fired her. Who does she sue and on what grounds?

205 jamesfirecat  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 10:07:33am

re: #204 sattv4u2

What would the "legal case" be?

She's a public employee. Breitbart, a sensationalist "journalist" authored a sensationalist piece. The WH fired her. Who does she sue and on what grounds?

I think we agreed she should Sue Andrew Breitbart for taking her comments out of context to the degree that effectively should be considered libel.

At least that's what I'd like to see happen.

206 Obdicut  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 10:08:37am

re: #205 jamesfirecat

Given that it was an attack on her professional capabilities, it's well within the realm of libel.

207 webevintage  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 10:08:46am

re: #187 huggy77

if a prominent white tea partier would have used the terms "one of his own" It would be a story on this blog for a week, no matter what the context, and be linked to every time the tea party is mentioned.

Not if he said it in the 80's and said it in his head and then went on to talk about how that was wrong and how we all need to unite and stop thinking about color and just help people....even if there are a rude asshole talking down to you.

208 Amory Blaine  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 10:09:57am

re: #204 sattv4u2

Public employees have every right not to be slandered just like you.

209 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 10:10:30am

re: #204 sattv4u2

What would the "legal case" be?

She's a public employee. Breitbart, a sensationalist "journalist" authored a sensationalist piece. The WH fired her. Who does she sue and on what grounds?

I'm no lawyer, but I suspect she has pretty good grounds for a defamation and libel case against Breitbart.

210 webevintage  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 10:11:42am

re: #187 huggy77

Every Palin miss step is a headline yet we are deprived of the comedic genius that is our vice president...

That would be because he does not have a facebook and twitter accounts from which he spews out idiocy daily....
He maybe a gaff machine at times, but the man is not a grifter nor and idiot.

211 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 10:14:58am

re: #205 jamesfirecat

I think we agreed she should Sue Andrew Breitbart for taking her comments out of context to the degree that effectively should be considered libel.

At least that's what I'd like to see happen.

Woudn't even make the steps of a courthouse

212 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 10:17:03am

re: #209 Charles

I'm no lawyer, but I suspect she has pretty good grounds for a defamation and libel case against Breitbart.

Again, he sensationalized his "version" of a story (or non story, as the case may be). I'm no lawyer either, but have many in my family and speak to them about things like this often, but I doubt she would have a case

213 Obdicut  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 10:17:32am

re: #211 sattv4u2

Woudn't even make the steps of a courthouse

Have you suddenly become a lawyer?


The four (4) categories of slander that are actionable per se are (i) accusing someone of a crime; (ii) alleging that someone has a foul or loathsome disease; (iii) adversely reflecting on a person’s fitness to conduct their business or trade; and (iv) imputing serious sexual misconduct. Here again, the plaintiff need only prove that someone had published the statement to any third party. No proof of special damages is required.
214 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 10:19:02am

re: #213 Obdicut

Have you suddenly become a lawyer?

Not at all, but adversely reflecting on a person’s fitness to conduct their business or trade; is eye of the beholder

215 Obdicut  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 10:19:36am

re: #214 sattv4u2

Have you suddenly become a lawyer?

Not at all, but adversely reflecting on a person’s fitness to conduct their business or trade; is eye of the beholder

And?

216 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 10:20:31am

re: #215 Obdicut

And?

nothing ,, THATS the point,, thanks for playing,, Johnny ,do we have any parting gifts!?!?!

217 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 10:21:19am

re: #112 Charles

Oh, what crap.

The reaction to a lie is now a bigger story than the lie? You've got to be kidding with this nonsense.

Nope, not kidding. Just like the Watergate cover-up became the main story.

218 Obdicut  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 10:22:42am

re: #217 Spare O'Lake

Nope, not kidding. Just like the Watergate cover-up became the main story.

The Watergate coverup was by the same people that had planned and okayed the crime.

What a terrible analogy.

219 garhighway  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 10:23:11am

re: #214 sattv4u2

Have you suddenly become a lawyer?

Not at all, but adversely reflecting on a person’s fitness to conduct their business or trade; is eye of the beholder

My recollection of the law of defamation is that it has to start with a false statement. I am not sure that the airing of a highly edited video counts: everything in the video is true. It just isn't complete.

I don't think an invasion of privacy action works either: the statements were intended for public consumption.

I'm a little hazy on the "false light" tort, but I think that requires falsity, too.

So count me as skeptical. Sympathetic, but skeptical.

220 Obdicut  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 10:24:37am

re: #216 sattv4u2

The point of a court of law is to decide the issue, though.

If this wouldn't meet the standard of defamation, what would, to you?

221 Obdicut  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 10:27:25am

re: #219 garhighway

The editing thing falls under the Fair Reporting act, and it's unlikely to provide a good defense for Breitbart.

Abridgement is only allowed when it does not substantially change the presentation of the facts.

222 garhighway  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 10:30:23am

re: #221 Obdicut

The editing thing falls under the Fair Reporting act, and it's unlikely to provide a good defense for Breitbart.

Abridgement is only allowed when it does not substantially change the presentation of the facts.

I am unfamiliar with the Fair Reporting Act. My point is that under plain old common law libel, I think she has a tough row to hoe. Again, I wish that weren't so, but we make our defamation laws pretty restrictive because we want a free flow of information and commentary. We have chosen as a society to err on the side of open and vigorous debate. Sometimes (like this time) we don't like how it plays out, but I think that's how the rules work.

223 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 10:33:01am

re: #220 Obdicut

re: #222 garhighway

sorry ,, had to step away, but garhighway pretty much summed it up imho

The defamation/libel laws HAVE to be narrow, or else there would be a conga line going into courthouses across the nation

224 Obdicut  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 10:36:52am

re: #222 garhighway

The law takes intent into account, though. When there is a clear intent to defame, the law takes that into account.

Defamation cases are hard to win in the US because of the protections of ignorance-- not knowing what you are publishing is a lie or distortion-- and opinion-- you're simply offering opinion and analysis, not stating fact.

Altering a record clearly is in a different class, and I think a court would find so.

225 Obdicut  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 10:37:32am

re: #223 sattv4u2

There are actually very few cases of a newsperson deliberately editing a video to cast aspersions on someone's professional abilities.

No conga line.

226 garhighway  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 10:38:25am

re: #224 Obdicut

The law takes intent into account, though. When there is a clear intent to defame, the law takes that into account.

Defamation cases are hard to win in the US because of the protections of ignorance-- not knowing what you are publishing is a lie or distortion-- and opinion-- you're simply offering opinion and analysis, not stating fact.

Altering a record clearly is in a different class, and I think a court would find so.

Intent only matters once you have cleared the initial hurdle of demonstrating a false and defamatory statement. Like I said, that is the part I think is hard here.

227 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 10:38:58am

re: #225 Obdicut

There are actually very few cases of a newsperson deliberately editing a video to cast aspersions on someone's professional abilities.

No conga line.

There's no conga line because the law is narrow, NOT because people don't do stuff

228 Obdicut  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 10:39:52am

re: #226 garhighway

Intent only matters once you have cleared the initial hurdle of demonstrating a false and defamatory statement. Like I said, that is the part I think is hard here.

I'd say an edited video-- unconsentedly edited-- is false on the face of it. Especially coming from a person with a history of altering and editing videos and abetting a criminal.

229 Obdicut  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 10:40:54am

re: #227 sattv4u2

There's no conga line because the law is narrow, NOT because people don't do stuff

Yes. The law is narrow. That does not mean that everything falls outside the scope of the law.

Again: What would you consider a defamatory notice, if not this?

230 garhighway  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 10:41:07am

re: #228 Obdicut

I'd say an edited video-- unconsentedly edited-- is false on the face of it. Especially coming from a person with a history of altering and editing videos and abetting a criminal.

Thus the joy of the law: every case is different. You might be right. You pay your money and make your choice. I'd bet against, but I get surprised a lot.

231 Obdicut  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 10:42:38am

re: #230 garhighway

Thus the joy of the law: every case is different. You might be right. You pay your money and make your choice. I'd bet against, but I get surprised a lot.

I don't think they have a good chance of winning. Perhaps one in three. But it would set a very good precedent, especially as we move into larger and larger and more seamless editing capabilities.

It'd be nice for the courts to be one step ahead of technology for once.

232 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 10:44:24am

re: #229 Obdicut

Yes. The law is narrow. That does not mean that everything falls outside the scope of the law.

Again: What would you consider a defamatory notice, if not this?

There is no clear cut demarcation line. It's a case by case, totality of the transgression. Sorry, I just don't see it here. IF she wants, she can pursue it IF she can get a lawyer to take it on contingency (unless she's willing to pony up thousands of dollars in legal fees with no guarantee of recouping it). I don't see either of those things happening.

233 Obdicut  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 10:47:52am

re: #232 sattv4u2

So give an example of something that would be defamation, then as I've asked.

234 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 10:55:31am

re: #233 Obdicut

So give an example of something that would be defamation, then as I've asked.

simple answer,, NO (for the reasons I stated above ,, case by case,,,totality of info ,, etc)

BUT ,, seeing you're so needy about it

If you were to publish out and out falsehoods about my work/job performance ,, NOT snippets of things I did wrong edited to make it look as if I do nothing BUT wrong

235 Obdicut  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 10:57:00am

re: #234 sattv4u2

Yes. Case by case. I'm asking for a single case.


If you were to publish out and out falsehoods about my work/job performance ,, NOT snippets of things I did wrong edited to make it look as if I do nothing BUT wrong

What's the difference?

236 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 10:59:52am

It is worth noting that there is a direct lie involved in all this, rather than just a contextual framing issue.

Breitbart intimated that this happened while she was at USDA... which it didn't, and he had to have known this if he had obtained the original video.

The allegation that she didn't do her job as an employee of USDA is what was originally alleged, and that is patently and confirmably false.

237 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 11:01:13am

Hence, a rather solid libel case.

238 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 11:01:17am

re: #235 Obdicut

Yes. Case by case. I'm asking for a single case.

What's the difference?

Here at work, I may place the wrong frequency into an upconverter prior to accessing a satellite. Putting in a frequency is something we do 50-60 times a day. If you were to call my boss and tell him I ALWAYS put it in wrong, instead of once every 3 months, one time out of thousands,,, 4 times out of tens of thousands which results in me being canned ,, THEN I may have a cause of action against you

emphasis on MAY !

239 Obdicut  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 11:03:30am

re: #238 sattv4u2

You didn't answer what the difference is between creating a lie through editing and simply making one up wholesale.

Care to give it a try?

240 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 11:06:34am

re: #236 Fozzie Bear

It is worth noting that there is a direct lie involved in all this, rather than just a contextual framing issue.

Breitbart intimated that this happened while she was at USDA... which it didn't, and he had to have known this if he had obtained the original video.

The allegation that she didn't do her job as an employee of USDA is what was originally alleged, and that is patently and confirmably false.

an intimation is a lie?

stretch!

PLUS ,, you would have to PROVE that he knew it,, tough to do

241 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 11:08:33am

re: #239 Obdicut

You didn't answer what the difference is between creating a lie through editing and simply making one up wholesale.

Care to give it a try?

re-read it,, I did

You lie when you say I ALWAYS (50 times out of 50 times per day) as opposed to editing a string of when I did (1 time out of thousands,, then another 1 time out of the next thousands ,, then another 1 ,,,,,,)

242 Obdicut  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 11:11:11am

re: #241 sattv4u2

Except one lie that Brietbart said was that she worked for the USDA at at the time, when she didn't.

Why are you ignoring that lie?

243 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 11:11:32am

re: #240 sattv4u2

an intimation is a lie?

stretch!

PLUS ,, you would have to PROVE that he knew it,, tough to do

Intimation: conveying of information, either directly or indirectly.

In this case, directly.


We are in possession of a video from in which Shirley Sherrod, USDA Georgia Director of Rural Development, speaks at the NAACP Freedom Fund dinner in Georgia. In her meandering speech to what appears to be an all-black audience, this federally appointed executive bureaucrat lays out in stark detail, that her federal duties are managed through the prism of race and class distinctions.
244 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 11:21:52am

re: #242 Obdicut

Except one lie that Brietbart said was that she worked for the USDA at at the time, when she didn't.

Why are you ignoring that lie?

I'm not. You asked me to give an example ,,even though I told you at least three times that it would have to be case by case determination. IF Brietbart knew she didn't work for the USDA at the time but said she did, or vice versa, you still have several problems
A) prove that he knew
B) prove that he didn't just mis-speak even IF he knew
C) prove that his intent was malicious

I'm not defending Andrew here

I am defending the law. As stated, it's narrow for a reason.

245 Kefirah  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 11:22:40am

regarding libel and defamation:

my recollection from the bar exam is that there are different standards for public officials.

new york times co. v. sullivan, 376 U.S. 254 (1964) is the case that sets up the whole "public officials doctrine". public officials have to prove that the libel was published with knowledge that it was false or with "actual malice." actual malice = reckless disregard to its truth.

public officials is a pretty elastic definition, and i'm sure breitbart would argue that it ought to apply here.

so, i think she'd have a hard time winning her case, on the face of it. breitbart will argue that what he showed wasn't false at all. her words, after all [retch].

in summation - travesty.

246 Obdicut  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 11:24:27am

re: #244 sattv4u2

An example is a case by case determination, so your objection to giving one is bizarre.

You are ignoring intent; why?

247 Obdicut  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 11:24:51am

re: #245 Kefirah

Given the language of the statement, I think malice would be the easiest part to show.

248 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 11:29:52am

re: #246 Obdicut

An example is a case by case determination, so your objection to giving one is bizarre.

You are ignoring intent; why?

Your insistence of asking for one, even though I have told you it HAS to be case by case is stalk-ish and obsessively compulsive! Why?

249 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 11:31:52am

re: #245 Kefirah

well stated

250 Obdicut  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 11:32:38am

re: #248 sattv4u2

Your insistence of asking for one, even though I have told you it HAS to be case by case is stalk-ish and obsessively compulsive! Why?

I think you mean 'stalkerish'. And 'obsessive compulsive' behavior is normally physical, like touching things repeatedly. You just mean plain ol' obsessive.

I'm pointing out that when you say everything is case-by-case, it's ridiculous to object to providing a case. It is, in fact, how you would demonstrate something that is case-by-case.

251 Gus  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 11:33:49am

She summarized her account and previous story almost exactly as I interpreted it with the highly edited video here.

Breitbart and his cohorts are manipulators of information -- we know the word for that.

252 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 11:36:52am

re: #250 Obdicut

I think you mean 'stalkerish'. And 'obsessive compulsive' behavior is normally physical, like touching things repeatedly. You just mean plain ol' obsessive.

I'm pointing out that when you say everything is case-by-case, it's ridiculous to object to providing a case. It is, in fact, how you would demonstrate something that is case-by-case.

/You touch things repeatedly, don't you!

253 Kefirah  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 11:37:10am

re: #247 Obdicut

reckless disregard for the truth of the statement is, unfortunately, not the same as malice as we see it [and as it is so plainly demonstrated here].

true statements about public officials are almost never considered libel, because the thought is that the public has a right to know. this allows reporters the legal freedom to report on things like watergate [broad generalization, but i'm making a point] without fear of legal action.

this is a great protection provided to the media, and in times of scrupulous reporting, it makes crystal.clear sense.

oh, the times, they are a-changin'.

unfortunately, it also means breitbart will probably get away with this from a libel + defamation standpoint. however - employment law is totally different, and she may have a solid case there.

254 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 11:39:49am

re: #253 Kefirah
Her strongest case may be (I'm drawing a blank on the exact term here) wrongful termination? (is that the right one)

In that case, her suit would not be against Brietbart

255 Kefirah  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 11:48:01am

re: #254 sattv4u2

her wrongful termination [pretty sure you got that right - again, not an employment law guru] suit wouldn't be against breitbart per se, but you can be quite sure that since he was the precipitating factor that set off her termination, he would be dragged through the mud in the courtroom.

and on television.

and in print.

sounds good to me.

256 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 11:51:43am

re: #255 Kefirah

her wrongful termination [pretty sure you got that right - again, not an employment law guru] suit wouldn't be against breitbart per se, but you can be quite sure that since he was the precipitating factor that set off her termination, he would be dragged through the mud in the courtroom.

and on television.

and in print.

sounds good to me.

ME TOO

(decipher my screename!!!)

257 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 11:52:07am

re: #255 Kefirah

re: #256 sattv4u2

ME TOO

(decipher my screename!!!)

(((the avatar is a hint)))

258 Kefirah  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 11:55:54am

re: #257 sattv4u2

satellite television for you, too?

259 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 11:59:12am

re: #258 Kefirah

satellite television for you, too?

give that man a prize!

I'm actually in the satellite / fiber optics broadcasting end of it now. The screename is a holdover from years gone by when I had a small business selling, installing and maintaining residential and commercial SAT-TV systems

260 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:04:25pm

re: #86 Walter L. Newton

"ey Sherrod, who resigned Monday as the department's former state director of rural development for Georgia, told CNN she had four calls telling her the White House wanted her to resign. She was driving at the time, she said, and the last call asked her to pull to the side of the road and offer her resignation."

That could mean that her supervisors were calling her, telling her that the WH had been in touch with them, and wanted the situation to go away.


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