Witless Hack Hoft: Sherrod is ‘Linked’ to Bill Ayers

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I was curious to see how Jim Hoft, the homophobic, bigoted, borderline illiterate religious fanatic who blogs at Catholic website First Things, was dealing with the fact that the right’s idiotic “reverse racism” Shirley Sherrod scandal had spectacularly blown up in their faces.

Hoft, of course, is still foaming at the mouth, calling Sherrod a “white farmer-hater.” Never mind that the farmers say she’s a lifelong friend who saved their farm.

But it gets even stupider, because now Hoft is trying to tie Sherrod to former Weather Underground terrorist Bill Ayers: Figures. Shirley Sherrod Is Linked to Terrorist Bill Ayers.

Hoft’s diatribe begins with one of his inimitable word salads:

It’s days like these that you begin to wonder is there anyone in this administration who is not a communist, radical, socialist, terror-sympathizer?
You really have to wonder some days.

What I was wondering as I read this clumsy opening: why First Things hired such a witless hack as a “writer,” and what kind of ludicrous, easily debunked “link” he was going to dredge up from his feverish imagination. So I read on, got to the end, and … where the hell was the “link?”

Hoft never gets around to covering that little detail. Instead, he links to a couple of far right blogs (ranting about “reparations,” of course) that mention in passing that in the 1960s, Sherrod’s husband was a member of the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee. So I read on through the muck, looking for the link to Ayers.

I should have known better than to think there would be an actual “link” in there somewhere.

It turns out that in Hoft’s bizarre world of blind hatred, Sherrod’s husband’s membership in the SNCC is the link, because Bill Ayers was also in the SNCC. Yes, that’s it. That’s the link. I hope you were sitting down for that bombshell revelation.

Earlier the same day, Hoft was claiming that NAACP CEO Ben Jealous was at the meeting where Shirley Sherrod gave her now-famous speech. It’s completely untrue, but Hoft never posted a correction, of course.

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266 comments
1 jamesfirecat  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 11:49:14am

Maybe it would look more convincing if he used a blackboard....

2 diamonda2u  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 11:49:14am

Just when you think they can't get even nuttier. These folks really are unhinged about a black man in the "white house".

3 wrenchwench  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 11:50:55am

I heard Bill Ayers and Shirley Sherrod have both shaken the hand of Barack Obama, too. This goes deeper than anyone could imagine!

4 Lidane  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 11:51:17am

How do these people manage to function in their daily lives without hurting themselves? Seriously.

I simply don't understand how someone can be that painfully, willfully ignorant and still manage to dress and feed themselves or otherwise get through the day.

5 tnguitarist  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 11:51:56am

You can tell a person's character by whom they rush to defend. You can also tell a lot about the content of one's character by the people who rush to defend them.

6 wrenchwench  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 11:54:42am

re: #4 Lidane

How do these people manage to function in their daily lives without hurting themselves? Seriously.

I simply don't understand how someone can be that painfully, willfully ignorant and still manage to dress and feed themselves or otherwise get through the day.

The problems begin in the hair-combing area, as you can see...

7 Kragar  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 11:56:02am

Hoft, you ignorant slut

8 diamonda2u  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 11:56:50am

What is really scary about all this, is the amount of false information they put out there, and the number of folks who eat it hook, line and sinker. I am convinced they know what they are doing, they know they can post false information without correction because there is a sizable group out there that wants to be deceived, doesn't mind being deceived, so long as it fits their ideology, they will take it and run with it, even if not true. That is truly scary.

9 darthstar  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 11:58:30am

I've got Cubs tickets for Jerry Garcia bobblehead night. The Cubs are from Chicago. President Obama lived in Chicago. Reverend Wright, Bill Ayers! I'm linked to Bill Ayers and Reverend Wright!

10 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 11:58:41am

As I said in the last thread, somebody is going to take a shot at Sherrod if she isn't kept well protected.

The right wing is playing with a kind of fire that cannot be controlled.

11 iceweasel  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 11:58:49am

Jim Hoft: despicable.

I did a page on him a little while ago here:
Surprise! Jim Hoft doesn't read so good. Or, the return of Gladney Mania?

It's about a mediamatters catch; note though that Killgore in comments there points out that the Boehlert piece I was posting has some sloppy reporting in it though. I've meant to go check on that and dig up the real deal but havent had time. Even so, I'll stand by my tags: Jim Hoft, Idiot Hatemonger.

Suffice to say that amongst his many idiotic stunts is racebaiting ODS crap. Anyway, contact info for first things in that piece as well; I'd urge people to write First Things every single time Hoft gets up to his schtick there.

12 Kragar  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 11:59:25am

By his logic, Hoft is directly linked to pedophilia. He's Catholic, Catholic priests molested children, THE LINK IS THERE!

13 diamonda2u  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:00:07pm

re: #10 Fozzie Bear

I just posted similar on another site.

You know, some folks are going to end up surprised when the monster they unleashed can't be put back in the cage... then they will look around with that perplexed look and wonder "I don't understand? Why didn't they know I meant no harm, no foul?"

14 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:00:33pm

Wow... So the pin it on Obama "jumping too soon" because she was innocent (after first calling her a racist and smearing her) didn't work, so now they are reversing the reversal... I wonder if anyone else will notice the kHz frequency flip flops...

15 Charles Johnson  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:00:44pm

And Hoft just posted yet another deranged gay-hating rant about Kevin Jennings.

16 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:01:05pm

re: #9 darthstar

I've got Cubs tickets for Jerry Garcia bobblehead night. The Cubs are from Chicago. President Obama lived in Chicago. Reverend Wright, Bill Ayers! I'm linked to Bill Ayers and Reverend Wright!

Go Cubs! (Long time Cubs fan here)

17 Locker  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:01:33pm

See! See what happens to the male homosapien's mind when he never gets laid! It destroys the mind and makes the whole world appear as an enemy. Yo Hoft, Nevada.... I'll say no more.

18 Targetpractice  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:02:15pm

re: #8 diamonda2u

What is really scary about all this, is the amount of false information they put out there, and the number of folks who eat it hook, line and sinker. I am convinced they know what they are doing, they know they can post false information without correction because there is a sizable group out there that wants to be deceived, doesn't mind being deceived, so long as it fits their ideology, they will take it and run with it, even if not true. That is truly scary.

I think it's not only about feeding the masses who want their hatreds and stereotypes to be "vindicated," but also an effort to muddy the waters. Throwing out rumor and innuendo, not just on their own but woven into otherwise factual stories, in an effort to fool otherwise level-headed folks who wouldn't indulge in such stupidity into believing that that stupidity is the "truth."

19 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:02:30pm

re: #6 wrenchwench

The problems begin in the hair-combing area, as you can see...

This is how you do it.

20 iceweasel  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:04:39pm

re: #8 diamonda2u

What is really scary about all this, is the amount of false information they put out there, and the number of folks who eat it hook, line and sinker. I am convinced they know what they are doing, they know they can post false information without correction because there is a sizable group out there that wants to be deceived, doesn't mind being deceived, so long as it fits their ideology, they will take it and run with it, even if not true. That is truly scary.

Agreed. And you're right. They do it on purpose, they know that a certain percentage of people will only remember the smear, not the refutations. That's been established in a few psych studies.
So the whole narrative aim is: get it out there first, fast, make it loud, flood it. Flood the media with a river of bullshit and intelligent discourse drowns.

21 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:05:34pm

re: #18 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I think it's not only about feeding the masses who want their hatreds and stereotypes to be "vindicated," but also an effort to muddy the waters. Throwing out rumor and innuendo, not just on their own but woven into otherwise factual stories, in an effort to fool otherwise level-headed folks who wouldn't indulge in such stupidity into believing that that stupidity is the "truth."

If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit.

22 Firstinla  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:05:45pm

re: #19 goddamnedfrank

Now I know where Rand Paul got his hair style.

23 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:06:06pm

re: #11 iceweasel

ohhh... and Bagua went over to the stalkers.

He is now BAT MAN

I am imagining throaty growls of "I'm BAT MAN..."

24 Kronocide  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:06:11pm

New term subjected to lexicon: hackblogger.

Hateblogger works too.

25 albusteve  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:06:43pm

and here comes the fallout...predictable
this story will probably generate a whole new batch of cretins

26 diamonda2u  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:06:55pm

Rachel did a quick overview of what they are trying last night...
Your text to link...

27 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:07:14pm

Charles, I would bet dollars to doughnuts that either my connection just went to shit, or your site is being "scanned" again. LGF's ping just went into the stratosphere.

28 Jeff In Ohio  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:07:40pm

re: #17 Locker

See! See what happens to the male homosapien's mind when he never gets laid! It destroys the mind and makes the whole world appear as an enemy. Yo Hoft, Nevada... I'll say no more.

Truth to power.

29 tnguitarist  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:07:55pm

re: #20 iceweasel

They do it on purpose, they know that a certain percentage of people will only remember the smear, not the refutations.

Dead on. They know it and use it.

30 avanti  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:08:30pm

Fox is beating a new drum this AM with the posts to a corespondents list. It seems some correspondents were critical of the GOP in their posts.
As Megyn Kelly breathlessly suggested, perhaps the correspondents were acting as a "silent partner" in the Dems campaign. Some of the just released posts were even critical of the Palin pick, the horror !/

Quite the outrage, imagine a news organization that might support one parties line. Oh, wait a minute./

31 Gus  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:08:41pm

Another day of wingdorks!

I can "'link" a lot of Republicans to Bill Ayers. By way of the Annenberg. Anyone for that matter. I think I saw him talking to an airline ticket counter associate just the other day!

Dorks.

32 Kragar  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:09:06pm

For people so good at seeing links between various disparate entities, you would think they'ld be quicker on the uptake regarding evolution and transitional species.

33 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:09:20pm

re: #8 diamonda2u

What is really scary about all this, is the amount of false information they put out there, and the number of folks who eat it hook, line and sinker. I am convinced they know what they are doing, they know they can post false information without correction because there is a sizable group out there that wants to be deceived, doesn't mind being deceived, so long as it fits their ideology, they will take it and run with it, even if not true. That is truly scary.

Like I said last night:

It is not just the utter stupidity of it.

It is the utter contempt for the intellect of others that these people have.

Of course, given the number of idiots who buy this shit hook line and sinker, we can really have no doubt where that contempt comes from.

At this point, anyone who believes wingnut news for anything at face value is to be counted as a moron himself. No questions asked, you have prima facia evidence that yes, they really are utterly stupid. Only stupid people can be lied to in ways that don't add up, in utterly transparent ways, followed with flip flops happening at kHz frequencies, and still not notice.

34 iceweasel  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:09:36pm

re: #23 LudwigVanQuixote

ohhh... and Bagua went over to the stalkers.

Goodness. Who could have foreseen such an event?/

He'll always be Douchebagua to me. ;)
Whatever, let him foam away til he drowns. Meh. Good riddance.

35 Lidane  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:09:46pm

re: #23 LudwigVanQuixote

Eh? I must have missed all that. Was he banned here or did he just flounce?

36 Gus  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:09:49pm

Dorks
Dweebs
Dufuses

37 Kragar  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:10:12pm

re: #36 Gus 802

Dorks
Dweebs
Dufuses

Lend me your rears

38 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:10:31pm

re: #34 iceweasel

You stole my line ;)

39 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:10:44pm
Is the Department of Justice Racist?
By Rep. Lamar Smith

-FOX News, three hours ago.

What negrophobia?

40 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:11:10pm

re: #35 Lidane

Eh? I must have missed all that. Was he banned here or did he just flounce?

The former.

41 Gus  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:11:12pm

re: #37 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Lend me your rears

Friends! Romans! ...

42 What, me worry?  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:11:56pm

re: #8 diamonda2u

re: #20 iceweasel

Indeed, but I try to remember that these people are looking for these connections. They want someone to tell them what they want to hear.

"Obama was seen sharing the same sidewalk as BP's CEO, Tony Hayward, so we know the President helped cause the spill."

It can be totally out there, outrageous, makes no sense to the sensible, but it doesn't matter. They aren't looking for truth. They're looking for validation for their racism and that can be as wild and crazy, as quite frankly, their racism.

43 tnguitarist  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:11:57pm

re: #40 oaktree

The former.

Hmm. I must have missed that.

44 Batman  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:12:02pm
You really have to wonder some days.

Particularly the ones when you forget to take your meds.

45 diamonda2u  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:12:06pm

re: #33 LudwigVanQuixote

That's it exactly... utter contempt for the intellect of other. They really believe their audience is that stupid (and so far many are proving them correct).

46 Jerk  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:12:08pm

re: #26 diamonda2u

Rachel did a quick overview of what they are trying last night...
Your text to link...

The Maddow love... I am still on the fence. She certainly made good points in the past few days, but she is also part of the 24-hour news cycle punditry. There was a time when she was shamelessly jumping ship from Air America by sitting on panels with Pat Buchanan.

47 iceweasel  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:12:45pm

re: #38 LudwigVanQuixote

You stole my line ;)

It's a good one!
BTW, it was screamingly obvious that his little performance here was all for them, intended to garner him a nice warm welcome in their little griefhole.
I'm pleased he can now be amongst his own kind. That is all.

48 Ming  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:13:08pm

It's really scary that the Agriculture Department's firing of this poor woman was based on the kind of insanity that is documented in the blog post. We trust our government to deal with all kinds of threats, all the way up to military threats, and this is how they respond to a right-wing out-of-context video? I voted for Obama, and I'm not trying to criticize him in particular. And I know some left-sing blogs can be just as crazy as Breitbart. But Obama's Administration really needs to make sure they never again have this kind of overreaction.

49 CuriousLurker  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:13:09pm
It turns out that in Hoft’s bizarre world of blind hatred, Sherrod’s husband’s membership in the SNCC is the link, because Bill Ayers was also in the SNCC. Yes, that’s it. That’s the link. I hope you were sitting down for that bombshell revelation.

Years ago, I used to work with an Arab guy who was an Islamist. He ended up going to federal prison for perjury over lying about having sat next to and spoken to one of the terrorists involved in the 1993 WTC bombing during an overseas flight.

Also, when I first came to NYC I once unknowingly went to the Brooklyn mosque where that blind sheikh Omar used to preach.

I wonder if that means I'm "linked to terrorists".

50 tnguitarist  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:13:14pm

re: #46 Jerk

To be fair, someone needs to provide a counterpoint when Pat is on anywhere.

51 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:13:58pm

re: #47 iceweasel

It's a good one!
BTW, it was screamingly obvious that his little performance here was all for them, intended to garner him a nice warm welcome in their little griefhole.
I'm pleased he can now be amongst his own kind. That is all.

One less wingnut. We all benefit.

52 Jerk  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:14:20pm

re: #50 tnguitarist

I'd feel better if such a job never had to exist.

53 What, me worry?  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:14:49pm

re: #46 Jerk

The Maddow love... I am still on the fence. She certainly made good points in the past few days, but she is also part of the 24-hour news cycle punditry. There was a time when she was shamelessly jumping ship from Air America by sitting on panels with Pat Buchanan.

There is no way on heaven or earth you can tell me that Maddow shares any philosophy with Pat Buchanan, I don't care where she was sitting.

Gosh, I saw her on This Week talking to George Will. Man, she's really a rightwing douchebag in disguise...

54 Locker  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:14:52pm

re: #39 goddamnedfrank

What negrophobia?

Hmm... people who hate the DJ Joey Negro? Which wouldn't make sense due to his ridiculous producer skills.

55 Gus  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:14:57pm

re: #47 iceweasel

It's a good one!
BTW, it was screamingly obvious that his little performance here was all for them, intended to garner him a nice warm welcome in their little griefhole.
I'm pleased he can now be amongst his own kind. That is all.

Hello Ice.

I'll have you know no sooner than after waking up I listened to Breitbart being interviewed over the phone by CBS. If I disappear it means I've suffered from Sudden Breibart Syndrome.

/

56 Lidane  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:14:57pm

re: #39 goddamnedfrank

Lamar Smith is the douche who hinted at impeachment over immigration.

I love how immigration suddenly became an impeachable offense in this asshole's eyes after 2008. I mean, clearly, we had a perfect system before now. =P

///

57 Gus  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:16:06pm

Just wanted to say. I know this is probably trivial but that's a really nice picture of Jim Hoft.

//

58 iceweasel  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:16:16pm

re: #51 Fozzie Bear

One less wingnut. We all benefit.

No-- there is your average wingnut, then there is the select group of mentally disturbed individuals with serious anger issues and a real hate-on for LGF. We're talking about the latter. To call those people wingnuts is an insult to wingnuts. (and you know how I feel about wingnuts).

59 Charles Johnson  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:16:45pm

re: #23 LudwigVanQuixote

ohhh... and Bagua went over to the stalkers.

He is now BAT MAN

I am imagining throaty growls of "I'm BAT MAN..."

Not surprised at all.

60 What, me worry?  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:16:50pm

re: #57 Gus 802

Just wanted to say. I know this is probably trivial but that's a really nice picture of Jim Hoft.

//

And Locker ponders why he hasn't gotten laid :p

61 Kronocide  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:17:51pm

re: #58 iceweasel

To call those people wingnuts is an insult to wingnuts. (and you know how I feel about wingnuts).

Sometimes I feel like a wingnut. Sometimes I don't.

62 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:18:06pm

re: #56 Lidane

Lamar Smith is the douche who hinted at impeachment over immigration.

I love how immigration suddenly became an impeachable offense in this asshole's eyes after 2008. I mean, clearly, we had a perfect system before now. =P

///

The irony of it all is that immigration reform is the issue that ultimately began turning the right wing against Bush, the most popular (immediately following 9/11) republican president ever.

Bush wanted to do something about immigration that didn't revolve around demonizing poor people, and his base turned on him.

63 avanti  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:18:34pm

Just now a banner on Fox:

"162 days. 8 hours, 48 minutes, 1 second from the largest increase in taxes in US history"

(the roll back of the Bush tax cuts for those making over 250K) Surprisingly, they did mention the middle class cuts to stay in effect.

64 Locker  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:18:42pm

re: #60 marjoriemoon

And Locker ponders why he hasn't gotten laid :p

Laugh I didn't ponder, I proclaimed but it would be "wrong" of me to suggest that it had anything to do with his picture. ;)

65 CuriousLurker  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:18:44pm

re: #57 Gus 802

Just wanted to say. I know this is probably trivial but that's a really nice picture of Jim Hoft.

//

Heh, I was thinking the same thing.

66 diamonda2u  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:19:01pm

re: #57 Gus 802

ROFLMAO

67 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:19:06pm

re: #62 Fozzie Bear

The irony of it all is that immigration reform is the issue that ultimately began turning the right wing against Bush, the most popular (immediately following 9/11) republican president ever.

Bush wanted to do something about immigration that didn't revolve around demonizing poor people, and his base turned on him.

It was one aspect of his politics that I supported, but he could not get his own party aboard on it.

68 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:19:48pm

re: #59 Charles

Not surprised at all.

Few are.

69 greygandalf  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:20:00pm

re: #53 marjoriemoon

There is no way on heaven or earth you can tell me that Maddow shares any philosophy with Pat Buchanan, I don't care where she was sitting.

Gosh, I saw her on This Week talking to George Will. Man, she's really a rightwing douchebag in disguise...

Rand Paul announced his Senator candidacy on Maddow. She had him on TV before anyone else would. I see that as a strike against her.

70 iceweasel  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:20:00pm

re: #55 Gus 802

Hello Ice.

I'll have you know no sooner than after waking up I listened to Breitbart being interviewed over the phone by CBS. If I disappear it means I've suffered from Sudden Breibart Syndrome.

/

Sudden Brietbart Syndrome? Is that where one leaves angry incoherent messages on Gawker's voicemail? ;)
Or where one goes wandering around a bar looking like this?!

Don't do it, Gus!
ps jimmah says hi too.

71 Targetpractice  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:20:18pm

re: #48 Ming

It's really scary that the Agriculture Department's firing of this poor woman was based on the kind of insanity that is documented in the blog post. We trust our government to deal with all kinds of threats, all the way up to military threats, and this is how they respond to a right-wing out-of-context video? I voted for Obama, and I'm not trying to criticize him in particular. And I know some left-sing blogs can be just as crazy as Breitbart. But Obama's Administration really needs to make sure they never again have this kind of overreaction.

I know we've been hearing this a lot lately, that the Administration "overreacted." But the thing is that the Department of Agriculture truly has a "zero-tolerance policy" in effect and that, more than anything else, is what is to blame here. I've lost track of the number of news stories about children getting suspended or expelled from school due to zero-tolerance policies, with their "crimes" being simple things like forgetting to take a toy gun out of their backpack or carrying a Swiss Army knife because they're in Boy Scouts. Such policies always, as Charles noted yesterday, lead to a tendency to shoot first and ask questions later, which is what happened in this case.

So if there is any reason to harp on the Administration, it is for keeping in place a policy that obviously is more trouble than it is worth. Taking each case on its merits is better than seeing the whole world from the viewpoint of a hammer.

72 Cato the Elder  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:20:31pm

"Hoft" is a shortened version of the German word "Hoftheater". Which means, essentially, "the court theater".

Just ask yourselves which "court" he's playing to, and the rest of the puzzle falls into place.

73 albusteve  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:20:45pm

re: #62 Fozzie Bear

The irony of it all is that immigration reform is the issue that ultimately began turning the right wing against Bush, the most popular (immediately following 9/11) republican president ever.

Bush wanted to do something about immigration that didn't revolve around demonizing poor people, and his base turned on him.

he and McCain could not carry the amnesty load...people don't want amnesty, they want reform and the GOP message was so fucked up, they couldn't talk their way out of it...shades of amnesty without getting control of the border smelled like a dead fish to voters...BO will not make that mistake

74 avanti  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:20:48pm

re: #23 LudwigVanQuixote

ohhh... and Bagua went over to the stalkers.

He is now BAT MAN

I am imagining throaty growls of "I'm BAT MAN..."

He'll be happier over there and isolated from any comments outside the echo chamber.

75 Gus  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:21:36pm

re: #70 iceweasel

Sudden Brietbart Syndrome? Is that where one leaves angry incoherent messages on Gawker's voicemail? ;)
Or where one goes wandering around a bar looking like this?!

Don't do it, Gus!
ps jimmah says hi too.

Hey. I've always wondered about that mist seemingly floating around his face in that picture. Is that the evaporation of water steaming out of his head?

//

76 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:21:37pm

re: #70 iceweasel

Sudden Brietbart Syndrome? Is that where one leaves angry incoherent messages on Gawker's voicemail? ;)
Or where one goes wandering around a bar looking like this?!

Don't do it, Gus!
ps jimmah says hi too.

He went out in public in a snuggie?

77 CuriousLurker  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:21:42pm

Sigh, duty calls. BBL

78 Cato the Elder  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:21:50pm

re: #68 LudwigVanQuixote

Few are.

I am.

79 Gus  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:22:01pm

re: #70 iceweasel

Sudden Brietbart Syndrome? Is that where one leaves angry incoherent messages on Gawker's voicemail? ;)
Or where one goes wandering around a bar looking like this?!

Don't do it, Gus!
ps jimmah says hi too.

Say hi to Jimmah!

80 albusteve  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:22:21pm

re: #75 Gus 802

Hey. I've always wondered about that mist seemingly floating around his face in that picture. Is that the evaporation of water steaming out of his head?

//

yes, he's a human still

81 jamesfirecat  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:22:28pm

re: #69 greygandalf

Rand Paul announced his Senator candidacy on Maddow. She had him on TV before anyone else would. I see that as a strike against her.

Did you see the way she dragged him over the coals on his beliefs concerning if the government should have a right to tell private business to discriminate or not?

It is no sin to have a wingnut on your show if you do it to cast light on what a wingnut they are....

82 Gus  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:23:01pm
83 Cato the Elder  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:23:15pm

From the looks of that picture, I'd say that Hoft has been leading with his chin for a long time.

Either that, or it's a paleo-Catholic prayer bump.

84 Gus  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:24:04pm

re: #80 albusteve

yes, he's a human still

Thanks man. That made me weepy.

/

85 What, me worry?  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:24:26pm

re: #69 greygandalf

Rand Paul announced his Senator candidacy on Maddow. She had him on TV before anyone else would. I see that as a strike against her.

Are you being sarcastic?

86 cliffster  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:24:38pm

That page isn't all bad. It does have a tip for getting a tiny belly.

87 iceweasel  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:25:16pm

re: #48 Ming

It's really scary that the Agriculture Department's firing of this poor woman was based on the kind of insanity that is documented in the blog post. We trust our government to deal with all kinds of threats, all the way up to military threats, and this is how they respond to a right-wing out-of-context video? I voted for Obama, and I'm not trying to criticize him in particular. And I know some left-sing blogs can be just as crazy as Breitbart. But Obama's Administration really needs to make sure they never again have this kind of overreaction.

Yes, the real story here is that Obama fucked up./

Josh marshall at TPM has an excellent opinion piece today on this thinking:
Shame on Obama?

Forty-eight hours ago the story was another bad apple found on Obama's cart. By yesterday morning it was another black eye for Obama and Tom Vilsack for rushing to dump a blameless woman on no good evidence and cravenly or cowardly or pusillanimously running for cover because Breitbart, Roger Ailes and whatever other gods of The Crazy said boo! For progressives mad at their president, at some level, that's understandable. They have no relationship with and expect only the worst from the Breitbarts and Fox Newses of the world. But with Obama they expect more. And it's personal.

Still, you just have to back up from that and realize that as disappointing as Tom Vilsack's first crack at this was, the idea that he or Obama is the bad guy in this story is not only preposterous but verging on obscene. It's like the NYPD as the bad guy in the Son of Sam saga because they didn't catch David Berkowitz fast enough. Or perhaps that the real moral of the story is that the woman with the stalker should have been more focused on personal data security. Not for some time has something so captured the essential corruption of a big chunk of what passes as 'right wing media' (not all, by any means, but a sizable chunk along the Breitbart/Fox/Hannity continuum) and the corruption of the mainstream media itself as this episode.


[...]

It's much easier to focus on Obama or Vilsack or 'what it says about race in America' or whatever other nonsense. Because most reporters are simply cowed by Fox and Breitbart and Beck and the rest of the organized forces of bamboozlement -- too afraid, too bewildered, too hapless to apply anything remotely approaching standards in analyzing the fourth estate of which they are the nominal custodians. So what we get is this 'see no evil, hear no evil, speak not at all' routine from reporters and journalists who should know better.

In any other instance in life, when wrongdoing is committed, the primary goal is identification, apprehension and consequences for the guilty. The shortcomings of those who were affected by or mishandled the response to the offense is inherently secondary -- whether that be cops who didn't find the felon sooner or an over-anxious administration that jumped the gun in response to a fraudulent news story. We know who the guilty parties are here. Anything else is cowardice, denial or complicity.

Very long, very worth the read. Will make it a page later but I'm having serious interwebs difficulties today.

88 albusteve  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:25:17pm

re: #78 Cato the Elder

I am.

I will say this one time...I liked Bagua, and his problems with other posters were none of my business...I'm also disappointed to see him at the other site, but that's his business too, not mine

89 Cato the Elder  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:25:56pm

re: #86 cliffster

That page isn't all bad. It does have a tip for getting a tiny belly.

I have a tip for getting a tiny belly, too. Live where I do, and pick up Hopkins grad students for dates.

90 albusteve  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:26:33pm

re: #84 Gus 802

Thanks man. That made me weepy.

/

180 proof will do that to a man

91 tnguitarist  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:26:34pm

re: #69 greygandalf

She also exposed him as a nut.

92 Gus  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:26:50pm

re: #76 Fozzie Bear

He went out in public in a snuggie?

Unfortunately, they even let him speak in public.

/

93 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:28:24pm

re: #71 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds


Getting back to my favorite hobbyhorse: I have been looking a bit more into the background that Vilsack mentioned peripherally in his reasons for firing:

a still-unresolved class-action suit against the USDA, filed by black farmers claiming discriminatory practices against them, the Pigford Farms case.

According to Iowa Representative King, Sharrod was one of the people behind filing the suit. he says that she and her husband also received a settlement out of the suit.

Final payment has not been made, the Congress still has to approve it.

Reperesentative King maintains that the claims filed against it were "70 percent fraudulent".

He also raises the specter of the old "40 acres and a mule" mentality: recompensation and retribution for black people at the expense of the whites.

And implies that Sherron was apponted to her position in theis adminstration to "buy her off".

I see now why they were so very, very tetchy about the matter.

Breitbart's video was obviously the opening round in what is going to be a long, drawn-out, ugly campaign against her, the USDA, the Obama Administration and the whole issue of race in America.

94 cliffster  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:28:41pm

re: #78 Cato the Elder

I am.

I am too. Oh well.

95 avanti  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:28:46pm

re: #88 albusteve

I will say this one time...I liked Bagua, and his problems with other posters were none of my business...I'm also disappointed to see him at the other site, but that's his business too, not mine

I have to agree, I wish he would have stayed away from the personal attacks and just stuck with his opinions. I seldom agreed with him, but I enjoy getting opinions from all sides of the political realm.

96 S'latch  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:29:22pm

It sounds like the weakest missing link.

97 greygandalf  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:29:33pm

re: #85 marjoriemoon

Are you being sarcastic?

No. If the argument is we are happy just to get those views out in the open...

Are we hoping Maddow has a KKK member on so she can "debate" them?

98 jamesfirecat  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:30:32pm

re: #97 greygandalf

No. If the argument is we are happy just to get those views out in the open...

Are we hoping Maddow has a KKK member on so she can "debate" them?

If that KKK member was running for congress and people didn't know he was a KKK member till she exposed the fact, then yes I'd consider what she was doing a service and be glad she did it.

99 What, me worry?  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:31:04pm

re: #87 iceweasel

I don't understand this. Why is it Obama's problem and not Vilsack's problem?

No other president, probably in our history, has been thrown into these matters like Obama. How many 100s of departments are run by our government or aligned directly with the Whitehouse. Why in the world should Obama have a decision who is hired or fired in any of them? First, if he was in charge of such a thing, he'd never get any other work done. Secondly, that's why they have directors, chiefs and managers of these depts so he can entrust those duties to them. Thirdly, Vilsack himself said that he never discussed the firing with Obama.

It's all BS to me. In the end, like always, Obama gets dragged into these stupid skirmishes. He doesn't have enough on his plate?

100 iceweasel  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:31:08pm

re: #76 Fozzie Bear

He went out in public in a snuggie?

That was a thing for a while, weird pub crawls with people all wearing their snuggies. :(
In this case I think he just went out in it.

There's quite a bit of youtube floating around of an angry drunken brietbart speaking. Jimmah and I will have to do a mashup soon.

101 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:31:12pm

re: #78 Cato the Elder

I am.

Don't be. Ever since I developed a devoted following over there, prudence made me keep some tabs on them. Death threats while entertaining from them should still be monitored.

Anyway, there is a certain sense of entitlement and whiny "but mommy... he wronged me... and you're not being fair!" that is part of the pre-cancer. This is a little different from just wingnut wackiness. This is more about finding social acceptance and a bizarre form of vindication.

Consider this, a grown man feels the need to prove the "innocence" of a pseudonym with another pseudonym to a bunch of known insane people pseudonyms who will gladly gobble up anything negative about this site.

In other words, his alter ego was so damaged, he needed create a new alter ego to find the approval of another anonymous peer group.

People astonish me in their behavior. I can note the phenomena and I can see cause and effect. However, why someone is that pathetic is beyond me. Physics is much easier.

102 Kronocide  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:32:26pm

re: #93 ralphieboy


Breitbart's video was obviously the opening round in what is going to be a long, drawn-out, ugly campaign against her, the USDA, the Obama Administration and the whole issue of race in America.

Well he just blew the opening round in his cause by destroying what was left of his already waning credibility.

103 albusteve  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:32:40pm

re: #99 marjoriemoon

I don't understand this. Why is it Obama's problem and not Vilsack's problem?

No other president, probably in our history, has been thrown into these matters like Obama. How many 100s of departments are run by our government or aligned directly with the Whitehouse. Why in the world should Obama have a decision who is hired or fired in any of them? First, if he was in charge of such a thing, he'd never get any other work done. Secondly, that's why they have directors, chiefs and managers of these depts so he can entrust those duties to them. Thirdly, Vilsack himself said that he never discussed the firing with Obama.

It's all BS to me. In the end, like always, Obama gets dragged into these stupid skirmishes. He doesn't have enough on his plate?

just fire Vilsack and be done with it...case closed as far as BO is concerned

105 iceweasel  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:33:26pm

BTW, all you Douchebagua fans need to get a fucking clue. Earned his timeouts, earned his banning.

If you didn't see what went down, you don't know what you're talking about.
If you did see and you'll defend him? I have no use for you.

Last words about Douchebagua and I could not care less what he gets up to now.

106 What, me worry?  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:33:36pm

re: #97 greygandalf

No. If the argument is we are happy just to get those views out in the open...

Are we hoping Maddow has a KKK member on so she can "debate" them?

Wow. I don't think Maddow is dumb enough to try to debate a member of the KKK, but if you're trying to say that if she did, she's a secret racist, well that's just a little kooky.

She brought on Rand Paul to pull out his nutty beliefs and shine them to the world. Good for her. If you listen to her speak, you know what side of the spectrum she's on. And same goes for him, btw.

107 cliffster  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:33:51pm

re: #99 marjoriemoon

...No other president, probably in our history, has been thrown into these matters like Obama...

The two that came before Obama got the same thing, maybe worse considering. The only difference is blogs and social networking.

108 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:34:08pm

re: #99 marjoriemoon

I don't understand this. Why is it Obama's problem and not Vilsack's problem?

No other president, probably in our history, has been thrown into these matters like Obama. How many 100s of departments are run by our government or aligned directly with the Whitehouse. Why in the world should Obama have a decision who is hired or fired in any of them? First, if he was in charge of such a thing, he'd never get any other work done. Secondly, that's why they have directors, chiefs and managers of these depts so he can entrust those duties to them. Thirdly, Vilsack himself said that he never discussed the firing with Obama.

It's all BS to me. In the end, like always, Obama gets dragged into these stupid skirmishes. He doesn't have enough on his plate?

Um... because he's black, and to the left of Atilla the Hun.

109 Varek Raith  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:34:16pm

re: #105 iceweasel

BTW, all you Douchebagua fans need to get a fucking clue. Earned his timeouts, earned his banning.

If you didn't see what went down, you don't know what you're talking about.
If you did see and you'll defend him? I have no use for you.

Last words about Douchebagua and I could not care less what he gets up to now.

Whoa!
I didn't know that!
Sheesh.

110 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:34:28pm

re: #102 BigPapa

Well he just blew the opening round in his cause by destroying what was left of his already waning credibility.

It looks like he tripped up, but let us not misunderestimate this little schook, I believe he has other things up his sleeve.

111 albusteve  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:34:47pm

re: #105 iceweasel

BTW, all you Douchebagua fans need to get a fucking clue. Earned his timeouts, earned his banning.

If you didn't see what went down, you don't know what you're talking about.
If you did see and you'll defend him? I have no use for you.

Last words about Douchebagua and I could not care less what he gets up to now.

it's never the last word...why do you keep saying that?
I jest, of course

112 Gus  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:36:19pm
113 Cato the Elder  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:36:52pm

re: #101 LudwigVanQuixote

People astonish me in their behavior. I can note the phenomena and I can see cause and effect. However, why someone is that pathetic is beyond me. Physics is much easier.

Well, the fact that physics cannot explain human behavior is one of the reasons that I'm not a pure scientist.

Try theology.

114 What, me worry?  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:36:55pm

re: #108 Fozzie Bear

Um... because he's black, and to the left of Atilla the Hun.

Yes, and thank you for saying it.

115 iceweasel  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:37:04pm

re: #112 Gus 802

Image: gatinho.gif

Favourited. :)

116 Gus  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:37:50pm

re: #115 iceweasel

Favourited. :)

I keep seeing that as an avatar in the Twitter feeds for "Sherrod." Thought it was cute.

117 Targetpractice  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:38:13pm

re: #93 ralphieboy

Breitbart's video was obviously the opening round in what is going to be a long, drawn-out, ugly campaign against her, the USDA, the Obama Administration and the whole issue of race in America.

I wouldn't be surprised. Andy targeted her for exactly that reason, because there was already a political storm swirling around her and all it would take to unleash the full fury was "evidence" that the critics were "right" about her. No doubt King was dancing around when Breitbart's hackjob started circulating, because that's all he'd need to gain enough support to put a nail in the coffin of said settlement.

118 Jerk  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:38:19pm

re: #106 marjoriemoon

Wow. I don't think Maddow is dumb enough to try to debate a member of the KKK, but if you're trying to say that if she did, she's a secret racist, well that's just a little kooky.

She brought on Rand Paul to pull out his nutty beliefs and shine them to the world. Good for her. If you listen to her speak, you know what side of the spectrum she's on. And same goes for him, btw.

OK, but what does she do every other night? The point is her involvement in this 24-hour news cycle infotainment blur-the-lines-between-journalism-and-punditry mess which has only gotten worse over the past ten years. That's my beef. Again, kudos for her work on these issues, but she is part of the larger problem.

119 What, me worry?  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:38:29pm

re: #107 cliffster

The two that came before Obama got the same thing, maybe worse considering. The only difference is blogs and social networking.

Clinton was dogged by the Right for his philandering which started when he was Governor and ran right through his presidency. It was a non-stop hatefest that had nothing to do with his awesome qualities as leader of the free world. The Right REALLY HATED THAT.

120 Amory Blaine  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:38:46pm

Is Hoft a Tea Partier? He would fit in well with that traitorous bunch of rubes.

121 wrenchwench  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:39:17pm

re: #104 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Glenn says the WH needs to call him in to sort out the Sherrod Scandal

Best line:

Somebody get Cloward and Piven on the phone.

That one will always be useful. Just like "Bill Ayers!!!1!" and "Jeremiah Wright!!!1!!.

122 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:39:59pm

re: #99 marjoriemoon

I don't understand this. Why is it Obama's problem and not Vilsack's problem?

No other president, probably in our history, has been thrown into these matters like Obama. How many 100s of departments are run by our government or aligned directly with the Whitehouse. Why in the world should Obama have a decision who is hired or fired in any of them? First, if he was in charge of such a thing, he'd never get any other work done. Secondly, that's why they have directors, chiefs and managers of these depts so he can entrust those duties to them. Thirdly, Vilsack himself said that he never discussed the firing with Obama.

It's all BS to me. In the end, like always, Obama gets dragged into these stupid skirmishes. He doesn't have enough on his plate?

It's part of the "damned if you do and damned if you don't" media narrative that our leaders have been living in for an extended period of time.

A. The Firing
- If you do, then you're jumping to conclusions and punishing an innocent woman
- If you don't, you're condoning racism by employees of the USDA

B. Obama's Responsibility (and admission thereof)
- If he says nothing, his underlings are out of control and he has no idea what is going on
- If he does something, he's a micro-manager who knows nothing of the details and refuses to delegate to qualified administrators

C. The Re-hiring
- If he doesn't, the innocent woman is still being punished
- If he does, the woman is being rehired because she has an in with the USDA.

And note that both sides of these narratives can be (and are) fired simultaneously from different news agencies, different segments of the same agency, or simply the same announcer/pundit over a spread of time.

There's no interest in establishing "Truth", there's simply stirring the pot and forwarding the agency's agenda. And the more eyes it attracts and advertising it sells in the desired demographic the better.

123 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:40:19pm

re: #112 Gus 802

re: #112 Gus 802

re: #106 marjoriemoon

re: #100 iceweasel

Now one thing that will make long time lizards chuckle is that NODROG is now trolling the stalkers.

They are debating who the bigger looser is for being a stalker.

That is a laugh and a half.

124 albusteve  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:40:42pm

re: #119 marjoriemoon

Clinton was dogged by the Right for his philandering which started when he was Governor and ran right through his presidency. It was a non-stop hatefest that had nothing to do with his awesome qualities as leader of the free world. The Right REALLY HATED THAT.

awsome qualities?...oooff!

125 Amory Blaine  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:40:54pm

re: #119 marjoriemoon

Clinton was dogged by the Right for his philandering which started when he was Governor and ran right through his presidency. It was a non-stop hatefest that had nothing to do with his awesome qualities as leader of the free world. The Right REALLY HATED THAT.

Yep. The stained dress was the boobie prize for the right. They hounded him through bogus charges of murder and shady financial dealings for years until they had to settle for a lie about a personal matter.

126 jamesfirecat  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:40:54pm

re: #118 Jerk

OK, but what does she do every other night? The point is her involvement in this 24-hour news cycle infotainment blur-the-lines-between-journalism-and-punditry mess which has only gotten worse over the past ten years. That's my beef. Again, kudos for her work on these issues, but she is part of the larger problem.

Every other night she tries to bring a factual show on the air, and deal with issues in a logical and informative way.

I mean you could raise the same point about Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert.

Don't mock her til you tried her I find Rachel to be very fact based much like this community.

127 Varek Raith  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:41:23pm

re: #123 LudwigVanQuixote

re: #112 Gus 802

re: #106 marjoriemoon

re: #100 iceweasel

Now one thing that will make long time lizards chuckle is that NODROG is now trolling the stalkers.

They are debating who the bigger looser is for being a stalker.

That is a laugh and a half.

I sense the space-time continuum collapsing...

128 Cato the Elder  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:41:38pm

re: #105 iceweasel

BTW, all you Douchebagua fans need to get a fucking clue. Earned his timeouts, earned his banning.

If you didn't see what went down, you don't know what you're talking about.
If you did see and you'll defend him? I have no use for you.

Last words about Douchebagua and I could not care less what he gets up to now.

I did see, and I'm still surprised and disappointed that he went to the Village.

Call me schlemiel.

129 KingKenrod  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:41:52pm

re: #104 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Glenn says the WH needs to call him in to sort out the Sherrod Scandal

Beck called Sherrod's firing a "political assassination". I doubt the WH wants his help sorting things out.

130 What, me worry?  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:42:15pm

re: #118 Jerk

OK, but what does she do every other night? The point is her involvement in this 24-hour news cycle infotainment blur-the-lines-between-journalism-and-punditry mess which has only gotten worse over the past ten years. That's my beef. Again, kudos for her work on these issues, but she is part of the larger problem.

Maddow is a smart woman. She's also occasionally on the Sunday talk show circuit and she scores points with the big boys and girls. She can keep up with the best of them with excellent commentary and rebuttal.

Put Glenn Beck, Limbaugh or Olbermann in the same position and they'd crumble into laughing stocks.

131 Varek Raith  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:42:21pm

re: #128 Cato the Elder

I did see, and I'm still surprised and disappointed that he went to the Village.

Call me schlemiel.

!
Damn...
!

132 albusteve  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:42:28pm

re: #125 Amory Blaine

Yep. The stained dress was the boobie prize for the right. They hounded him through bogus charges of murder and shady financial dealings for years until they had to settle for a lie about a personal matter.

sexual abuse is no small thing...why was he testifying when he lied anyway?

133 Targetpractice  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:42:30pm

re: #110 ralphieboy

It looks like he tripped up, but let us not misunderestimate this little schook, I believe he has other things up his sleeve.

Ayep. It looks like he's come out on the downside of this, but what he's done is set the stage for some very...er, "spirited" debate over the approval of the settlement by Congress. No doubt King will move to argue that it doesn't matter if she was vindicated or not in the eyes of the Administration, what matters is that she's voiced past racist leanings and there's no reason (in his mind) to believe she doesn't still hold those leanings, regardless of how much she denies doing so.

134 General Nimrod Bodfish  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:42:32pm

I'm gonna admit this here: I did flip out when Obama was elected, not because he's black, but I honestly thought he was a socialist/communist that would throw Israel to the terrorists and surrender in Iraq. Now, I'm damn glad I was wrong on all of that. While I don't agree with some of his positions (like health care), he is the opposite of what I thought he would be on November 2008, and I'm glad. I do have LGF to thank for helping me see through the bullshit that is put out there nowadays.

I'm almost amazed at the transformation I've gone through the past few months, but I'm more amazed at how so many have flipped their shit and stuck with it for nearly two years! It almost makes me weep for humanity. All because a black man got into the highest office in this nation. Sad and disgusting.

Racism is alive and well, and I'm afraid it won't be going away for a long, long time.

135 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:42:33pm

re: #101 LudwigVanQuixote

Don't be. Ever since I developed a devoted following over there, prudence made me keep some tabs on them. Death threats while entertaining from them should still be monitored.

Anyway, there is a certain sense of entitlement and whiny "but mommy... he wronged me... and you're not being fair!" that is part of the pre-cancer. This is a little different from just wingnut wackiness. This is more about finding social acceptance and a bizarre form of vindication.

Consider this, a grown man feels the need to prove the "innocence" of a pseudonym with another pseudonym to a bunch of known insane people pseudonyms who will gladly gobble up anything negative about this site.

In other words, his alter ego was so damaged, he needed create a new alter ego to find the approval of another anonymous peer group.

People astonish me in their behavior. I can note the phenomena and I can see cause and effect. However, why someone is that pathetic is beyond me. Physics is much easier.

Yeah, I noticed that too. Who writes about themselves in the third person, then puts up screen grabs that were taken previously, while logged into the now banned account, knowing that one's own comment headers are colored green? Who the fuck does he think he's fooling?

136 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:42:34pm

re: #128 Cato the Elder

I did see, and I'm still surprised and disappointed that he went to the Village.

Call me schlemiel.

you are more of a schlimazel if you must know...

137 jamesfirecat  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:43:07pm

re: #132 albusteve

sexual abuse is no small thing...why was he testifying when he lied anyway?

SEXUAL ABUSE?

How was what Bill Clinton did SEXUAL ABUSE?

138 efuseakay  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:43:26pm

If that's all it takes, Sarah Palin must be a militant separatist!

139 Amory Blaine  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:43:37pm

re: #132 albusteve

sexual abuse is no small thing...why was he testifying when he lied anyway?

What sexual abuse?

140 Kragar  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:43:40pm

re: #123 LudwigVanQuixote

re: #112 Gus 802

re: #106 marjoriemoon

re: #100 iceweasel

Now one thing that will make long time lizards chuckle is that NODROG is now trolling the stalkers.

They are debating who the bigger looser is for being a stalker.

That is a laugh and a half.

I love the fact they're calling out a certain stalker founder out as a fucking idiot repeatedly

141 cliffster  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:43:55pm

re: #119 marjoriemoon

Clinton was dogged by the Right for his philandering which started when he was Governor and ran right through his presidency. It was a non-stop hatefest that had nothing to do with his awesome qualities as leader of the free world. The Right REALLY HATED THAT.

although he was actually not a good leader of the free world, and he did deserve a good raking through the coals for his disgraceful philandering, I will agree that it went way over the top. I actually wasn't referring to any one event, but to the fact that all three presidents have experienced a constant needling over every stupid little thing that happens, and that it is pretty much the same now as it has been. The internet's advancement has cause it to become more visible, though. So I guess you can blame Al Gore.

142 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:43:57pm

Here goes the Washington Examiner, digging out the details of the PIgford Farm case:

[Link: www.washingtonexaminer.com...]

It mentions things like:


... The cash (settlement) award acknowledges racial discrimination on the part of the U.S. Department of Agriculture for the years 1981-85. ... New Communities is due to receive approximately $13 million ($8,247,560 for loss of land and $4,241,602 for loss of income; plus $150,000 each to Shirley and Charles for pain and suffering). There may also be an unspecified amount in forgiveness of debt. This is the largest award so far in the minority farmers law suit (Pigford vs Vilsack)

...

And asks questions like


•Was Ms. Sherrod's USDA appointment an unspoken condition of her organization's settlement?
•How much "debt forgiveness" is involved in USDA's settlement with New Communities?
•Why were the Sherrods so deserving of a combined $300,000 in "pain and suffering" payments -- amounts that far exceed the average payout thus far to everyone else? ($1.15 billion divided by 16,000 is about $72,000)?
•Given that New Communities wound down its operations so long ago (it appears that this occurred sometime during the late 1980s), what is really being done with that $13 million in settlement money?

---
It is all going to get very, very ugly, and I expect the Republicans will be whipping this mule all the way up through the elections.

143 efuseakay  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:44:03pm

re: #132 albusteve

sexual abuse is no small thing...why was he testifying when he lied anyway?

What abuse?

144 albusteve  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:44:16pm

re: #128 Cato the Elder

I did see, and I'm still surprised and disappointed that he went to the Village.

Call me schlemiel.

it's not enough to slam Bagua, got to slam his friends as well....hahaha!...hilarious!
watch out who you are friendly with around here

145 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:44:17pm

re: #140 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I love the fact they're calling out a certain stalker founder out as a fucking idiot repeatedly

It is wonderful popcorn.

146 Cato the Elder  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:44:19pm

re: #136 LudwigVanQuixote

you are more of a schlimazel if you must know...

At least I'm not a gonif...

147 jamesfirecat  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:44:44pm

re: #141 cliffster

although he was actually not a good leader of the free world, and he did deserve a good raking through the coals for his disgraceful philandering, I will agree that it went way over the top. I actually wasn't referring to any one event, but to the fact that all three presidents have experienced a constant needling over every stupid little thing that happens, and that it is pretty much the same now as it has been. The internet's advancement has cause it to become more visible, though. So I guess you can blame Al Gore.

What would Bill Clinton have to have done to be a good leader of the free world in your eyes?

148 iceweasel  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:44:52pm

re: #135 goddamnedfrank

Yeah, I noticed that too. Who writes about themselves in the third person, then puts up screen grabs that were taken previously, while logged into the now banned account, knowing that one's own comment headers are colored green? Who the fuck does he think he's fooling?

Apparently quite a few, some even right here.
Busted.

149 tnguitarist  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:45:21pm

re: #130 marjoriemoon

Maddow is a smart woman. She's also occasionally on the Sunday talk show circuit and she scores points with the big boys and girls. She can keep up with the best of them with excellent commentary and rebuttal.

Put Glenn Beck, Limbaugh or Olbermann in the same position and they'd crumble into laughing stocks.

Excellent point. Why can't the far right-wing pundits go defend their positions on the big shows?

150 darthstar  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:45:25pm

re: #104 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Glenn says the WH needs to call him in to sort out the Sherrod Scandal

Glenn Beck is the Mel Gibson of daytime TV.

151 What, me worry?  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:45:45pm

re: #123 LudwigVanQuixote

re: #112 Gus 802

re: #106 marjoriemoon

re: #100 iceweasel

Now one thing that will make long time lizards chuckle is that NODROG is now trolling the stalkers.

They are debating who the bigger looser is for being a stalker.

That is a laugh and a half.

He writes on DoD from time to time? I wish he'd come back :> Maybe Charles doesn't wish the same thing.

152 Varek Raith  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:46:00pm

Well, I'm mad now.
BBL.
:(

153 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:46:00pm

re: #146 Cato the Elder

At least I'm not a gonif...

No... not one bit my friend.

But we can agree that Breitbart and Hoff are mamzers.

154 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:46:49pm

re: #153 LudwigVanQuixote

No... not one bit my friend.

But we can agree that Breitbart and Hoff are mamzers.


Don't Hassle Hoff!!!

155 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:47:03pm

re: #149 tnguitarist

Excellent point. Why can't the far right-wing pundits go defend their positions on the big shows?

Because those aren't automatic echo chambers and actual facts might be used to rebut them.

156 Cato the Elder  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:47:19pm

re: #153 LudwigVanQuixote

No... not one bit my friend.

But we can agree that Breitbart and Hoff are mamzers.

Mamzers with little tiny pishers...no doubt.

157 Charles Johnson  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:48:01pm

re: #104 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Glenn says the WH needs to call him in to sort out the Sherrod Scandal

OK, now that made me laugh out loud.

158 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:48:12pm

re: #118 Jerk

OK, but what does she do every other night? The point is her involvement in this 24-hour news cycle infotainment blur-the-lines-between-journalism-and-punditry mess which has only gotten worse over the past ten years. That's my beef. Again, kudos for her work on these issues, but she is part of the larger problem.

Well, the fairness doctrine is gone. Opinion and straight news are now forever entwined. What gets Maddow a pass in all this is that she sticks to facts, and criticizes her own side when the facts warrant it.

159 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:48:36pm

Pardon me for asking, but can we have a thread or two in the next week that doesn't devolve into half the comments being about the denizens of the stalker blog?

The latest kerfluffle happened. The stalker blog is there. Fine.

I simply take the approach of ignoring them completely. It's not a location with discussion I'm interested in, and I've seen no indication that it would be educational or entertaining to start reading. And at this point I find it annoying that it contaminates every thread just about unceasingly.

160 Cato the Elder  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:48:42pm

My take on all this: Fox News needs to be scrrrutinized and taken apart with tweezers.

Yeah, Murdoch: I'm talkin' about you.

161 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:48:56pm

re: #156 Cato the Elder

Mamzers with little tiny pishers...no doubt.

Oy, they make me want to have a shrek.

BTW for non-tribe Lizards, Shreck was a Yiddish word long before it was a movie.

162 Gus  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:49:02pm

re: #156 Cato the Elder

Mamzers with little tiny pishers...no doubt.

And difficulty in micturating.

163 cliffster  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:49:03pm

re: #147 jamesfirecat

What would Bill Clinton have to have done to be a good leader of the free world in your eyes?

World peace, end of hunger, and a big screen TV in every living room.

164 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:49:47pm

Ooooooh I heard it through the grape vane..
Not much longer would I be sane....
Oooooh..

165 Cato the Elder  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:50:01pm

re: #104 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Glenn says the WH needs to call him in to sort out the Sherrod Scandal

That's what we call the blind leading the ball-less.

166 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:50:08pm

re: #150 darthstar

Glenn Beck is the Mel Gibson of daytime TV.

I have watched an entire show of his at Fox. I tried when he first cam on but he's way too nutty to listen to. I don't get why he's popular.

167 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:50:16pm

re: #159 oaktree


We still cannot help but be flattered by it all. ANd the though of them doing that makes me thankful that I still have a life.

168 jamesfirecat  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:50:31pm

re: #163 cliffster

World peace, end of hunger, and a big screen TV in every living room.

Fair enough, those are goals I have to admit he failed to accomplish.

169 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:51:03pm

re: #166 NJDhockeyfan

I have never watched an entire show of his at Fox. I tried when he first cam on but he's way too nutty to listen to. I don't get why he's popular.

Crap...PIMF

170 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:51:18pm

re: #157 Charles

Glenn whooo?
LOL

171 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:51:18pm

re: #157 Charles

OK, now that made me laugh out loud.

It is so much insanity. If Beck were on Comedy Central, he would be hilarious.

What was the word you used for people you can't parody or quotes that can't be parodied because they were real?

172 Cato the Elder  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:51:41pm

re: #161 LudwigVanQuixote

Oy, they make me want to have a shrek.

BTW for non-tribe Lizards, Shreck was a Yiddish word long before it was a movie.

Better an ending with shrek than a shrek without end...

173 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:52:17pm

re: #166 NJDhockeyfan

I have watched an entire show of his at Fox. I tried when he first cam on but he's way too nutty to listen to. I don't get why he's popular.

He makes everyone else feel...ah ! SANE!!
Yeh , that's it!!

174 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:53:07pm

re: #173 reloadingisnotahobby

He makes everyone else feel...ah ! SANE!!
Yeh , that's it!!

Insanity for the sane.

175 Cato the Elder  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:53:17pm

re: #171 LudwigVanQuixote

It is so much insanity. If Beck were on Comedy Central, he would be hilarious.

What was the word you used for people you can't parody or quotes that can't be parodied because they were real?

Foxy.

176 Jerk  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:53:20pm

In fairness, I will spend the next few nights watching this show (or maybe next week) to see if my opinion changes. I devote most of my time to NPR, though.

177 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:53:39pm

re: #161 LudwigVanQuixote

Oy, they make me want to have a shrek.

BTW for non-tribe Lizards, Shreck was a Yiddish word long before it was a movie.

Remember Mayor Max Shrek from "Batman Returns"?

178 jamesfirecat  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:54:01pm

re: #171 LudwigVanQuixote

It is so much insanity. If Beck were on Comedy Central, he would be hilarious.

What was the word you used for people you can't parody or quotes that can't be parodied because they were real?

Poe's Law.

179 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:54:21pm

re: #178 jamesfirecat

Poe's Law.

Thank you!

180 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:54:32pm

re: #132 albusteve

sexual abuse is no small thing...why was he testifying when he lied anyway?

Lol. If what Clinton did was sexual abuse then I guess I "abuse" my wife frequently. Get a grip.

181 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:54:48pm

re: #177 ralphieboy

Remember Mayor Max Shrek from "Batman Returns"?

Yes indeed. A shreck is a hissy fit BTW.

182 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:55:03pm

From Wikipedia:

Poe's law (religious fundamentalism) — "Without a winking smiley or other blatant display of humour, it is impossible to create a parody of fundamentalism that someone won't mistake for the real thing."[5] named after Nathan Poe who formulated it on christianforums.com in 2005.[6] Although it originally referred to creationism, the scope later widened to religious fundamentalism.[7]

183 Cato the Elder  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:55:32pm

Yiddish "shrek" = German = "Schreck", from the verb "schrecken", "to horrify".

Pamz "Shriekschreck" Geller knows all about it.

184 tnguitarist  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:55:53pm
185 jamesfirecat  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:55:55pm

re: #179 LudwigVanQuixote

Thank you!

That's not exactly what it means of course it's true meaning is that at times you can not tell the difference between a real view point and someone who is sarcastically mocking that view point without a sarc tag or a ;) at the end of it.

Glenn Beck is a good example, because if he was on Comedy Central he'd be able to give Stephen Colbert a run for his money, hell they could co-host a show....

186 Ericus58  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:55:57pm

Just to Feel Human

by James Tate

A single apple grew on our tree, which
was some kind of miracle because it was a
pear tree. We walked around it scratching
our heads. "You want to eat it?" I asked
my wife. "I'd die first," she replied. We
went back into the house. I stood by the
kitchen window and stared at it. I thought
of Adam and Eve, but I didn't believe in Adam
and Eve. My wife said, "If you don't stop
staring at that stupid apple I'm going to go
out there and eat it." "So go," I said, "but
take your clothes off first, go naked." She
looked at me as if I were insane, and then
she started to undress, and so did I.

yesterday's The Writer's Almanac

187 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:56:26pm

re: #183 Cato the Elder

Yiddish "shrek" = German = "Schreck", from the verb "schrecken", "to horrify".

Pamz "Shriekschreck" Geller knows all about it.


Don't forget the "Panzerschreck" - the German WWII-era RPG.

188 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:56:41pm

re: #185 jamesfirecat

Thus...the Onion!

189 Cato the Elder  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:56:50pm

re: #184 tnguitarist

Angle doesn't like questions.

She learned well from her palindromic mentor.

190 albusteve  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:57:21pm

re: #180 Fozzie Bear

Lol. If what Clinton did was sexual abuse then I guess I "abuse" my wife frequently. Get a grip.

it seems you are unfamiliar with Kathleen Willey, Paula Jones etc...catch up, and then come back and talk about womens rights

191 Kragar  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:57:28pm

re: #177 ralphieboy

Remember Mayor Max Shrek from "Batman Returns"?

He wasn't the mayor, just another industrialist.

192 What, me worry?  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:58:04pm

re: #141 cliffster

although he was actually not a good leader of the free world, and he did deserve a good raking through the coals for his disgraceful philandering, I will agree that it went way over the top. I actually wasn't referring to any one event, but to the fact that all three presidents have experienced a constant needling over every stupid little thing that happens, and that it is pretty much the same now as it has been. The internet's advancement has cause it to become more visible, though. So I guess you can blame Al Gore.

BS. Clinton was the best president we ever had. He could have done so much more with a Dem Congress.

I don't know if you're poking fun at Gore because of his supposed "I invented the internet" statement which, btw, he never said. He was into technology in the 70's before technology was kewl. He always said that technology was the wave of the future. I'd have to go to Wiki to find the exact quote.

193 cliffster  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:58:25pm

re: #173 reloadingisnotahobby

He makes everyone else feel...ah ! SANE!!
Yeh , that's it!!

It's funny, I heard him on the radio on the way to work. Didn't know who it was. I thought, wow this guy is funny. Tuned in the next day and the next.. doesn't take long to get to work so really only heard short segments. Then I happened to tune in when he was coming back from commercial and found out it was him from the intro. Ha! Glenn Beck.. go figure! Totally different guy on the radio.. sounds like any other morning show much of the time. He does go off on stupid shit on the radio too, lacking the histrionics though. Then I went back to listening to country.

194 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:58:31pm

re: #191 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

He wasn't the mayor, just another EVIL industrialist.

195 Cato the Elder  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:59:37pm

Omigod, Clinton again?

May I remind people here that "Newsmax" was specifically founded and designed to bring down Clinton?

I personally know details about the founders of "Newsmax" that, if revealed, would cause my sudden disappearance, à la Vince Foster.

196 albusteve  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 1:00:10pm

re: #192 marjoriemoon

BS. Clinton was the best president we ever had. He could have done so much more with a Dem Congress.

I don't know if you're poking fun at Gore because of his supposed "I invented the internet" statement which, btw, he never said. He was into technology in the 70's before technology was kewl. He always said that technology was the wave of the future. I'd have to go to Wiki to find the exact quote.

Clinton let Hussein slide, along with the oil for food scandal...another UN drooler that saw terrorism as a domestic LE issue

197 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 1:00:19pm

re: #193 cliffster

He can be very funny!!
...but if that is the result of a few years of
Alcohol abuse....I climbing on a wagon!!

198 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 1:00:41pm

re: #190 albusteve

it seems you are unfamiliar with Kathleen Willey, Paula Jones etc...catch up, and then come back and talk about womens rights

If you are unfamiliar with the concepts of "proof" and of "witch hunts", I would be happy to explain it to you. Actually scratch that, maybe somebody else can.

199 Four More Tears  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 1:01:17pm

So I had Hannity on the radio as I was driving back home from seeing mom. He was talking about bearing false witness and how it's a sin right up there with the big boys, how it does serious damage to someone. My first thought was "Holy ____! Is he talking about Breitbart?" No. He was talking about the bad people who seem to think the Tea Party has more than its fair share of racism. *sigh*

200 Sionainn  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 1:01:28pm

re: #184 tnguitarist

Angle doesn't like questions.

I hope she continues to do what she's doing. Harry's lead isn't large enough yet.

201 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 1:01:33pm

My mom never seen South Park until this morning. They were the two that caused an uproar about mentioning & showing Mo last year. Well what a coincidence, the moron who threatened the creators of SP was arrested in NY yesterday on terrorism charges...

'South Park' critic in Va. court on terror charge

ALEXANDRIA, Va. — A Virginia man best known for posting an online attack against the creators of the animated series "South Park" will spend at least one more day in jail on unrelated charges that he twice tried to join a Somali terror group linked to al-Qaida.

Zachary Chesser, 20, of Oakton, Va., made an initial appearance Thursday in U.S. District Court on charges of providing material support to the al-Shabab terror group, which earlier this month claimed responsibility for a July 11 bombing in Uganda that killed more than 75 people watching the World Cup.

Chesser did not have an attorney and requested a court-appointed lawyer. Dressed casually and shorn of the long beard that was a feature in Internet videos in which he appears, he otherwise did not speak in a hearing that lasted barely two minutes. He is being held pending a detention hearing scheduled for Friday. Prosecutor Gordon Kromberg said Chesser faces a potential maximum of 15 years in prison.

FBI agents say Chesser twice tried to travel to Somalia to join al-Shabab as a fighter. An FBI affidavit says he was stopped once by his mother-in-law. The second time occurred on July 10, when he took his infant son with him and tried to board a flight from New York to Uganda. An FBI affidavit states that Chesser took his son to the airport so he would appear less suspicious. He was denied entry to the flight and told he was on the no-fly list.

He is also accused of using the Internet to spread propaganda on behalf of al-Shabab members.

Chesser gained notoriety earlier this year for warning online that the creators of the animated series "South Park" risked death by mocking the Prophet Muhammad.

202 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 1:02:01pm

re: #159 oaktree

Pardon me for asking, but can we have a thread or two in the next week that doesn't devolve into half the comments being about the denizens of the stalker blog?

The latest kerfluffle happened. The stalker blog is there. Fine.

I simply take the approach of ignoring them completely. It's not a location with discussion I'm interested in, and I've seen no indication that it would be educational or entertaining to start reading. And at this point I find it annoying that it contaminates every thread just about unceasingly.

The best justification for posting the vile droppings of these cretins is that they are actually a relatively representative pool of the online right wing community. It would be nice to just consider these cretins to be aberrations. Yet, one look at the comments on Fox's blogs or at Hot Air or PJM or any number of other right wing sites shows that these vile views are very commonly expressed.

How much does this translate into the teabag movement as a whole? I can not say.

How much is this on the net and how ubiquitous is it amongst right wing sites? It is very much so.

These people are scum and they have become unhinged and are feeling the power of their little mob.

203 cliffster  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 1:02:06pm

re: #192 marjoriemoon

BS. Clinton was the best president we ever had. He could have done so much more with a Dem Congress.

I don't know if you're poking fun at Gore because of his supposed "I invented the internet" statement which, btw, he never said. He was into technology in the 70's before technology was kewl. He always said that technology was the wave of the future. I'd have to go to Wiki to find the exact quote.

best... president... EVER!!!

204 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 1:03:21pm

re: #183 Cato the Elder

Yiddish "shrek" = German = "Schreck", from the verb "schrecken", "to horrify".

Pamz "Shriekschreck" Geller knows all about it.

Yes, but having a Shreck is freaking out. In Yiddish the path from German is always clear - horrifying things do freak people out, but the meaning is frequently different.

205 What, me worry?  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 1:03:48pm

re: #159 oaktree

Well Bags was a long time poster and quite frankly, I'm sorry for what he turned into. I liked him, even though he made me really angry sometimes, particularly on Israel which I couldn't quite figure. I think he had something to contribute when he was in "contribution mode" and not in the "I hate Ice and Jimmah" mode. But he pushed too hard and over the cliff went he.

206 albusteve  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 1:04:06pm

re: #198 Fozzie Bear

If you are unfamiliar with the concepts of "proof" and of "witch hunts", I would be happy to explain it to you. Actually scratch that, maybe somebody else can.

don't look at me...I'm just an observer
why did he pay off Jones to shut up?
why was Starr investigating him in the first place?...to discover the truth, to find the proof...that's what a grand jury does...do you just assume Willey was lying through her teeth?

207 What, me worry?  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 1:04:31pm

re: #161 LudwigVanQuixote

Oy, they make me want to have a shrek.

BTW for non-tribe Lizards, Shreck was a Yiddish word long before it was a movie.

I thought it was Drek.

208 Gus  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 1:04:43pm

Scooter Libby

209 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 1:05:03pm

re: #196 albusteve

Clinton let Hussein slide, along with the oil for food scandal...another UN drooler that saw terrorism as a domestic LE issue

Not invading a country != letting them slide.re: #206 albusteve

don't look at me...I'm just an observer
why did he pay off Jones to shut up?
why was Starr investigating him in the first place?...to discover the truth, to find the proof...that's what a grand jury does...do you just assume Willey was lying through her teeth?

Ok, well, after all that hard witch hunting investigating, what proof did they have of any of it?

210 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 1:05:09pm

re: #207 marjoriemoon

I thought it was Drek.

Dreck means shit... Different word.

211 Gus  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 1:05:17pm

Jack Abramoff

212 Cato the Elder  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 1:05:28pm

re: #201 NJDhockeyfan

My mom never seen South Park until this morning. They were the two that caused an uproar about mentioning & showing Mo last year. Well what a coincidence, the moron who threatened the creators of SP was arrested in NY yesterday on terrorism charges...

'South Park' critic in Va. court on terror charge

Sic semper insanibus inanibusque.

213 What, me worry?  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 1:06:14pm

re: #180 Fozzie Bear

Lol. If what Clinton did was sexual abuse then I guess I "abuse" my wife frequently. Get a grip.

"Ok, honey, you got 5 minutes... starting... NOW."

214 Locker  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 1:06:20pm

Leeroy Jenkins

215 Fart Knocker  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 1:06:21pm

re: #198 Fozzie Bear

If you are unfamiliar with the concepts of "proof" and of "witch hunts", I would be happy to explain it to you. Actually scratch that, maybe somebody else can.

Can you explain the concept of "settled out of court" for us?

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

216 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 1:06:38pm

re: #212 Cato the Elder

Sic semper insanibus inanibusque.

Quit with the fuc&*$# LATIN!!!
LOL

217 cliffster  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 1:06:44pm

re: #206 albusteve

How dare you speak ill the name of Clinton? Say 50 Hail Carters and tithe 25% of your salary this month to the DNC.

218 blueraven  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 1:07:05pm

re: #211 Gus 802

Jack Abramoff

Brownie

219 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 1:07:30pm

re: #204 LudwigVanQuixote

Yes, but having a Shreck is freaking out. In Yiddish the path from German is always clear - horrifying things do freak people out, but the meaning is frequently different.


The path is often a bit roundabout. "Schmuck" in German is jewelry or decoration.

Which sort of relates to the Yiddish "schmuck" if you think "family jewels"

220 What, me worry?  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 1:07:33pm

re: #196 albusteve

Clinton let Hussein slide, along with the oil for food scandal...another UN drooler that saw terrorism as a domestic LE issue

Oh please! That's such BS.

Oh hey, Reagan armed the Muhadeen. Why aren't you blaming him?

221 Cato the Elder  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 1:08:42pm

re: #204 LudwigVanQuixote

Yes, but having a Shreck is freaking out. In Yiddish the path from German is always clear - horrifying things do freak people out, but the meaning is frequently different.

Of course. Who do you think you're talking to? I studied Yiddish with Prof. Dr. Paul Hoffmann, a holocaust survivor.

Yiddish = 40% German, 30% Hebrew, 25% Slavic, and 5% other languages.

One of the most beautiful tongues ever, and you can still read the daily papers in it.

222 Gus  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 1:08:43pm

re: #218 blueraven

Brownie

Oh look! The Oil-for-Food Program was transferred to the Coalition Provisional Authority and Iraqi officials.

In 2003.

Let's see. 2003. Methinks Clinton was somewhere outside of the White House.

223 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 1:08:59pm

re: #215 rwdflynavy

Can you explain the concept of "settled out of court" for us?

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Certainly. It's a common legal tactic that people who don't want to get involved in the uncertainty of trial employ to avoid further hassle with the issue at hand. It is commonly done by both innocent and guilty alike, as jury trials can be extremely unpredictable, especially in civil court.

Do you really think a settlement constitutes some kind of evidence?

224 What, me worry?  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 1:10:11pm

re: #206 albusteve

don't look at me...I'm just an observer
why did he pay off Jones to shut up?
why was Starr investigating him in the first place?...to discover the truth, to find the proof...that's what a grand jury does...do you just assume Willey was lying through her teeth?

Pay off Jones? Where? When?

Ken Starr was the King of Sleaze. He wouldn't know truth if it bit him in his big fat ugly face.

225 albusteve  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 1:10:25pm

re: #209 Fozzie Bear

Ok, well, after all that hard witch hunting investigating, what proof did they have of any of it?

not sure...the fact that he lied about Lewinski is proof to me he cannot be trusted...the fact the he paid 850k to Paula Jones is proof to me he had something to hide...the fact that he bound himself up in an impeachment trial proves to me that forces he finally could not control overwhelmed him...there is a lot of mystery surrounding Bill and none of it is any good

226 albusteve  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 1:11:41pm

re: #220 marjoriemoon

Oh please! That's such BS.

Oh hey, Reagan armed the Muhadeen. Why aren't you blaming him?

different country, different circumstances...the subject was Clinton

227 cliffster  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 1:12:12pm

re: #223 Fozzie Bear

Certainly. It's a common legal tactic that people who don't want to get involved in the uncertainty of trial employ to avoid further hassle with the issue at hand. It is commonly done by both innocent and guilty alike, as jury trials can be extremely unpredictable, especially in civil court.

Do you really think a settlement constitutes some kind of evidence?

Any member of the GOP pay off someone like that and you'd piss yourself screaming about how it proves X, Y, and Z. Blind partisanship is funny.

228 Randall Gross  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 1:12:24pm

re: #142 ralphieboy

Here goes the Washington Examiner, digging out the details of the PIgford Farm case:

[Link: www.washingtonexaminer.com...]

It mentions things like:

... The cash (settlement) award acknowledges racial discrimination on the part of the U.S. Department of Agriculture for the years 1981-85. ... New Communities is due to receive approximately $13 million ($8,247,560 for loss of land and $4,241,602 for loss of income; plus $150,000 each to Shirley and Charles for pain and suffering). There may also be an unspecified amount in forgiveness of debt. This is the largest award so far in the minority farmers law suit (Pigford vs Vilsack)

...

And asks questions like

•Was Ms. Sherrod's USDA appointment an unspoken condition of her organization's settlement?
•How much "debt forgiveness" is involved in USDA's settlement with New Communities?
•Why were the Sherrods so deserving of a combined $300,000 in "pain and suffering" payments -- amounts that far exceed the average payout thus far to everyone else? ($1.15 billion divided by 16,000 is about $72,000)?
•Given that New Communities wound down its operations so long ago (it appears that this occurred sometime during the late 1980s), what is really being done with that $13 million in settlement money?

---
It is all going to get very, very ugly, and I expect the Republicans will be whipping this mule all the way up through the elections.


I think you are right, this is the closest they can come to "Reparations! See We told yaz!" .... Here's the wiki with some links and background on the case

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

229 What, me worry?  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 1:12:30pm

re: #226 albusteve

different country, different circumstances...the subject was Clinton

You brought up Hussein, brother, not me.

230 Fart Knocker  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 1:12:38pm

re: #223 Fozzie Bear

Certainly. It's a common legal tactic that people who don't want to get involved in the uncertainty of trial employ to avoid further hassle with the issue at hand. It is commonly done by both innocent and guilty alike, as jury trials can be extremely unpredictable, especially in civil court.

Do you really think a settlement constitutes some kind of evidence?

Occam's razor would suggest that if 5 or so women all accuse him of sexual harrassment, there might be something to it.

Or it could be a vast right wing conspiracy. Not sure which.

231 cliffster  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 1:13:04pm

re: #229 marjoriemoon

You brought up Hussein, brother, not me.

You two are related? That's crazy.

232 Targetpractice  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 1:13:14pm

re: #214 Locker

Leeroy Jenkins

Tom Servo

233 albusteve  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 1:13:21pm

re: #224 marjoriemoon

Pay off Jones? Where? When?

Ken Starr was the King of Sleaze. He wouldn't know truth if it bit him in his big fat ugly face.

King of Sleaze?...where, how?
are you saying Clinton got Scootered?

234 What, me worry?  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 1:13:37pm

re: #231 cliffster

You two are related? That's crazy.

Siamese twins, separated at birth. Don't tell anyone though.

235 tnguitarist  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 1:13:46pm

Angle doesn't like questions.re: #225 albusteve

not sure...the fact that he lied about Lewinski is proof to me he cannot be trusted...the fact the he paid 850k to Paula Jones is proof to me he had something to hide...the fact that he bound himself up in an impeachment trial proves to me that forces he finally could not control overwhelmed him...there is a lot of mystery surrounding Bill and none of it is any good

It's a good thing that you've never lied in your entire life. Otherwise, people might not trust you.

236 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 1:14:02pm

re: #225 albusteve

not sure...the fact that he lied about Lewinski is proof to me he cannot be trusted...the fact the he paid 850k to Paula Jones is proof to me he had something to hide...the fact that he bound himself up in an impeachment trial proves to me that forces he finally could not control overwhelmed him...there is a lot of mystery surrounding Bill and none of it is any good

Lest assume ALL of what you said is true. Every word.

What does this have to do with his ability as a leader? You get extra points if you manage to acknowledge the rather sordid habits of the founders in your response while somehow demonizing Clinton with the same brush. Double credit for making the founders look good while so doing.

It is all ad hominem smear, and always was. I guarantee that a republican president who was caught doing the same would be met with a long lecture about privacy from the likes of you.

237 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 1:15:09pm

re: #227 cliffster

Any member of the GOP pay off someone like that and you'd piss yourself screaming about how it proves X, Y, and Z. Blind partisanship is funny.

You do realize entire news organizations were created to "get" Clinton, don't you? You don't think Breitbart is part of a long tradition of conservative smear jobs?

I feel sorry for anyone so ignorant as to think this is all new.

238 What, me worry?  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 1:15:37pm

re: #233 albusteve

King of Sleaze?...where, how?
are you saying Clinton got Scootered?

Steve, I really like you better when you're talking about music.

239 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 1:15:52pm

re: #230 rwdflynavy

Occam's razor would suggest that if 5 or so women all accuse him of sexual harrassment, there might be something to it.

Or it could be a vast right wing conspiracy. Not sure which.

Ever heard of NewsMax?

240 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 1:16:37pm

re: #227 cliffster

Any member of the GOP pay off someone like that and you'd piss yourself screaming about how it proves X, Y, and Z. Blind partisanship is funny.

A settlement isn't a payoff. A settlement is a settlement.

241 What, me worry?  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 1:16:37pm

K I have to duck out. Catch up with you lizards later.

242 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 1:17:09pm

re: #221 Cato the Elder

Of course. Who do you think you're talking to? I studied Yiddish with Prof. Dr. Paul Hoffmann, a holocaust survivor.

Yiddish = 40% German, 30% Hebrew, 25% Slavic, and 5% other languages.

One of the most beautiful tongues ever, and you can still read the daily papers in it.

No offence meant to your erudition Cato.

243 cliffster  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 1:21:28pm

re: #237 Fozzie Bear

You do realize entire news organizations were created to "get" Clinton, don't you? You don't think Breitbart is part of a long tradition of conservative smear jobs?

I feel sorry for anyone so ignorant as to think this is all new.

Yep, you're right, Clinton was perfect. In fact, everyone who was ever a member of the Democrat party is beyond reproach. This is the message coming in constantly from the liberal loonies. There's a little more credibility to be had in not 100% defending the actions of anybody in one party, and 100% bashing the actions of the other.

244 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 1:25:17pm

re: #56 Lidane

Lamar Smith is the douche who hinted at impeachment over immigration.

I love how immigration suddenly became an impeachable offense in this asshole's eyes after 2008. I mean, clearly, we had a perfect system before now. =P

///

Yeah, every OTHER president kept the Mexican border sealed tight...what's the matter with Obama?

245 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 1:26:23pm

re: #59 Charles

Not surprised at all.

I hereby pledge to all of you that if I ever pick a fight with Charles and get booted from this site, I will not show up at the Blogmocracy. Under any circumstances.

246 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 1:26:43pm

re: #57 Gus 802

Just wanted to say. I know this is probably trivial but that's a really nice picture of Jim Hoft.

//

We should pair him up with McKinney. Are either of them married?

247 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 1:27:33pm

re: #243 cliffster

Yep, you're right, Clinton was perfect. In fact, everyone who was ever a member of the Democrat party is beyond reproach. This is the message coming in constantly from the liberal loonies. There's a little more credibility to be had in not 100% defending the actions of anybody in one party, and 100% bashing the actions of the other.

Actually, no, he made plenty of mistakes, and is hardly a saint. It's just that his actions as president are relevant to the public discourse, and the kind of drivel you are pushing isn't.

This isn't partisanship. I didn't even vote for the guy. I was a republican at the time. I left when my former party decided to engage in a witch hunt over personal matters.

Nice attempt at splitting, though.

248 albusteve  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 1:29:24pm

re: #238 marjoriemoon

Steve, I really like you better when you're talking about music.

sorry...fone calls
so...who wants to smack me now?
form a line please

249 cliffster  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 1:30:48pm

re: #247 Fozzie Bear

Just commenting on what I see. I didn't even put your name in. Perhaps you have a guilty conscience?

250 albusteve  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 1:31:12pm

re: #236 Fozzie Bear

Lest assume ALL of what you said is true. Every word.

What does this have to do with his ability as a leader? You get extra points if you manage to acknowledge the rather sordid habits of the founders in your response while somehow demonizing Clinton with the same brush. Double credit for making the founders look good while so doing.

It is all ad hominem smear, and always was. I guarantee that a republican president who was caught doing the same would be met with a long lecture about privacy from the likes of you.

don't think so...I have an aversion toward presidents and most elected officials...you just weren't around when I tore into Bush...but I understand your position

251 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 1:31:35pm

re: #249 cliffster

Just commenting on what I see. I didn't even put your name in. Perhaps you have a guilty conscience?

Perhaps I just noticed the impossible-to-miss fact that you said that in direct, quoted response to me. Don't be coy, it doesn't suit you.

252 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 1:34:36pm

re: #250 albusteve

don't think so...I have an aversion toward presidents and most elected officials...you just weren't around when I tore into Bush...but I understand your position

Well, my position is (and was) that what you do in your own time, even if it's really weird, is none of my business so long as your public policy positions are consistent with that. The only time I think it relevant is when it comes from strident "family values" types, which Clinton certainly was not.

I think Clinton was decent as a president, and a pig as a husband. Since I wasn't married to him, the second part is none of my business.

253 Four More Tears  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 1:36:28pm

re: #252 Fozzie Bear


I think Clinton was decent as a president, and a pig as a husband. Since I wasn't married to him, the second part is none of my business.

Remember the old days of a budget surplus? Mmmm....

254 garhighway  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 1:36:55pm

re: #206 albusteve

don't look at me...I'm just an observer
why did he pay off Jones to shut up?
why was Starr investigating him in the first place?...to discover the truth, to find the proof...that's what a grand jury does...do you just assume Willey was lying through her teeth?

Just expressing concern

255 cliffster  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 1:38:55pm

re: #253 JasonA

Remember the old days of a budget surplus? Mmmm...

God, I miss Newt Gingrich.

256 Four More Tears  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 1:44:26pm

re: #255 cliffster

God, I miss Newt Gingrich.

Heh. Even after what he had to say about the Mosque?

257 researchok  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 1:45:04pm

My best friend is linked to Adolph Hitler.

Many in his family perished in the Holocaust.

258 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 1:46:03pm

re: #245 SanFranciscoZionist

seconded

259 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 1:46:32pm

re: #255 cliffster

God, I miss Newt Gingrich.

He was the father of the current incarnation of the right wing. Ever see the early Luntz memos he commissioned?

The man is and was a soulless scumbag.

260 Obdicut  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 1:49:28pm

re: #255 cliffster

God, I miss Newt Gingrich.

I don't, given what he's up to now.

261 iceweasel  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 1:52:13pm

re: #260 Obdicut

I don't, given what he's up to now.

He announced the other day that he's 'looking into' a 2012 run. I did a page on it. (others probably did too).

I think he'll essentially just do and say whatever is necessary to keep himself on the teevee and further his reinvention as a Very Serious Person.

Not so sure he could rehabilitate himself for political office, but it's all so crazy now (and the repub field of potential candidates so pathetic) that who knows?

262 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 1:54:51pm

Gingrich was a large part of my personal awakening to the dark heart of the GOP. I owe him some debt for being so unabashedly unconcerned with the actual business of the nation that the spell conservatism had over me broke with a vengeance.

Thanks Newt. Now rot in hell you mercenary fuck.

263 Jimmah  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:14:09pm

re: #88 albusteve

I will say this one time...I liked Bagua, and his problems with other posters were none of my business...I'm also disappointed to see him at the other site, but that's his business too, not mine

You miss the nutcase who is now admitting that he was deliberately trying to fuck this site up all along and who, as iceweasel and I correctly pointed out many times, was a stalker all along? All he lacked was the actual 2.0 membership. He's currently lying his head off, smearing Charles, LGF and several individual posters here on at least two stalker blogs.

His "problems" with other posters? What a joke.

264 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:39:44pm

re: #263 Jimmah

You miss the nutcase who is now admitting that he was deliberately trying to fuck this site up all along and who, as iceweasel and I correctly pointed out many times, was a stalker all along? All he lacked was the actual 2.0 membership. He's currently lying his head off, smearing Charles, LGF and several individual posters here on at least two stalker blogs.

His "problems" with other posters? What a joke.

If you think you know someone, think again. That's not directed at you, its reminder to me.

265 Jimmah  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 5:43:07pm

re: #264 Dark_Falcon

If you think you know someone, think again. That's not directed at you, its reminder to me.

Thanks DF. Remember that hatred of LGF in these people often manifests itself as an obsessive hatred against LGF posters who are seen as liberal and representative of the changes on LGF over the last couple of years. This could be ludwig, me, ice, Gus, WUB, windsagio, whoever fits that bill. For some reason Ice seems to have attracted the most attention that way - probably because she is an intelligent and confident woman who has the capacity to unmake any wingnut's day with her command of facts and political knowledge. Misogynistic fuckwads like Bagua can't handle that. Remember his constant concern trolling about 'civility' on threads and 'standards' on LGF, while baiting and slurring in the most disgusting ways. When you see someone like that - whether it's a newbie or an old poster, you are looking at a stalker.

And people who try to elevate posters like that to "treasured lizard"status, while knowing full well what they are doing, and who upding their rants and slurs are part of the problem too.

266 Migh Way  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 8:20:29pm

re: #134 commadore183

(first post by the way)

What a country!

Glad to see you've recovered some of your eyesight. More than can be said of the vast, vast majority of this country.

This Nader voter had Obama pegged long before he was elected.
And I have found it sooooo funny (and sad at the same time) how Alice-In-Wonderland both Democrats and Republicans have been about him.

"Socialist", "Commie" -- Republicans

"MLK / JFK" -- Democrats

Think the Democrats have been the worst though (and the funniest).

Democrats really, really were so stunned -- deer in the headlights -- with egg dripping from their faces when Obama voted in support of FISA. Right after he had nailed the nomination !! Ha, Ha !

But they shook it off, pretended it never happened, and voted for MLK in November.

There were more clear warning signs...ducked the vote in September 2007 (the ONLY democratic senator to do so) on the Kyle-Lieberman amendment that had been designed to give Bush the authority to attack Iran. If Obama had voted for it people might have wised up (though not likely -- stupid democrats), if he voted against it he would have lost his invitation to crawl and bark at the AIPAC convention.

Another warning sign...his second largest campaign contributor was Goldman Sachs.

One more...his duplicitous language about removing combat troops from Iraq.

Enough...

It is amazing how accepting Democrats have been thus far with Obama.

Republicans? They are simply ridiculous - "socialist, communist, Muslim lover"...
but after electing and reelecting Bush who expects anything more than a good cry or a good laugh when it comes to their opinions?

Here it is folks: Obama is a Corporatist.


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