Anderson Cooper: Breitbart’s a Race-Baiting Smear Artist
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Anderson Cooper has an on-point commentary about Andrew Breitbart’s sleazy hit piece on Shirley Sherrod.
364 comments
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Cato the Elder Thu, Jul 22, 2010 3:24:21pm |
Well, at least now I don't have to try to take responsibility for the fuckin' planet for another thread or so.
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reine.de.tout Thu, Jul 22, 2010 3:24:46pm |
Hm.
I take issue with Anderson on one point.
Early in his introduction, he says it is the "right" of news anchors to cover the news that fits their "slant".
I disagree. It is the right of editorialists, perhaps, to do that.
News anchors should just report.
Did I misunderstand him?
Other than that, very good report.
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windsagio Thu, Jul 22, 2010 3:25:07pm |
Dude is such a dirtbag. I mean everyone knows that, but its just so mindblowing.
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Kefirah Thu, Jul 22, 2010 3:25:32pm |
silver fox strikes again - great piece of on.point editorial opinion. love him.
"prism of politics...seek to score points by scoring scalps...bullies never apologize."
in comparison, breitbart practically leaves a slime trail on the camera lens.
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TampaKnight Thu, Jul 22, 2010 3:26:42pm |
I wish my computer hadn't crapped out and stripped itself of sound.....
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reine.de.tout Thu, Jul 22, 2010 3:27:34pm |
re: #4 Kefirah
silver fox strikes again - great piece of on.point editorial opinion. love him.
"prism of politics...seek to score points by scoring scalps...bullies never apologize."
in comparison, breitbart practically leaves a slime trail on the camera lens.
Yes, it was better than great, actually, IMO it was excellent.
Except for that first bit I may have misunderstood.
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Cato the Elder Thu, Jul 22, 2010 3:28:07pm |
re: #5 TampaKnight
I wish my computer hadn't crapped out and stripped itself of sound...
Blame it on AGW, and consider it a warning.
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pharmmajor Thu, Jul 22, 2010 3:28:23pm |
Anderson Cooper: Brilliant news analyst, but his laugh sounds like a weasel dying at the gates of hell.
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Daniel Ballard Thu, Jul 22, 2010 3:30:06pm |
re: #3 windsagio
Anderson Cooper? Not sure why you would even say that.
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tradewind Thu, Jul 22, 2010 3:30:17pm |
re: #2 reine.de.tout
He's the New Voice of Journalism.
They've pretty much reached a consensus that it's okay to let your freak flag fly true colors tint a story, beacause after all, everyone knows how you feel anyway.//
Not knocking Cooper, I like him almost always.
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albusteve Thu, Jul 22, 2010 3:30:22pm |
re: #5 TampaKnight
I wish my computer hadn't crapped out and stripped itself of sound...
no worries...it's all been said before
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Summer Seale Thu, Jul 22, 2010 3:30:28pm |
Breitbart and Fox should really suffer for this.
Anderson is right to drag Breitbart's name out in the light of scrutiny and shame.
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albusteve Thu, Jul 22, 2010 3:31:51pm |
re: #12 Summer
Breitbart and Fox should really suffer for this.
Anderson is right to drag Breitbart's name out in the light of scrutiny and shame.
it doesn't matter to his supporters...a large number
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tradewind Thu, Jul 22, 2010 3:33:51pm |
re: #12 Summer
And he's got to love the chance to report anything other than hurricanes and oil spills for a change.
Does CNN decide this or does Cooper get to pick his gigs? Because I don't think I've seen him outside of a hurricane or oil spill in months.
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Cato the Elder Thu, Jul 22, 2010 3:34:17pm |
re: #3 windsagio
Dude is such a dirtbag. I mean everyone knows that, but its just so mindblowing.
If you have a small mind.
9_9
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Daniel Ballard Thu, Jul 22, 2010 3:34:31pm |
re: #14 windsagio
Whoops. Okay Agreed 100%
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tradewind Thu, Jul 22, 2010 3:35:06pm |
re: #3 windsagio
Everyone knows what? Dish.
I've always liked him.
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Summer Seale Thu, Jul 22, 2010 3:35:06pm |
re: #17 Cato the Elder
Cato, baby, are you coming to see me in SL? =)
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albusteve Thu, Jul 22, 2010 3:35:20pm |
re: #16 tradewind
And he's got to love the chance to report anything other than hurricanes and oil spills for a change.
Does CNN decide this or does Cooper get to pick his gigs? Because I don't think I've seen him outside of a hurricane or oil spill in months.
the Spill is old news...almost dead
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Jul 22, 2010 3:35:32pm |
re: #2 reine.de.tout
Hm.
I take issue with Anderson on one point.
Early in his introduction, he says it is the "right" of news anchors to cover the news that fits their "slant".
I disagree. It is the right of editorialists, perhaps, to do that.
News anchors should just report.Did I misunderstand him?
Other than that, very good report.
This is CNN, CNN is infotainment. It's schlock, it's the appearance of news, but only the appearance, it's basically just editorializing and shiny distracting stuff.
I consider AC to basically be an editorial show, but one with more calories than the normal editorializing show.
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tradewind Thu, Jul 22, 2010 3:35:51pm |
re: #14 windsagio
......nevermind. Just made the connection./
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Benghazzy Ben Ross Thu, Jul 22, 2010 3:36:01pm |
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Cato the Elder Thu, Jul 22, 2010 3:36:04pm |
re: #20 Summer
Cato, baby, are you coming to see me in SL? =)
I would of course prefer FL, but yes...
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windsagio Thu, Jul 22, 2010 3:36:06pm |
re: #17 Cato the Elder
Oops, sucked back in.
Are you really defending breitbart, or is there some misunderstanding?
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windsagio Thu, Jul 22, 2010 3:36:48pm |
re: #23 tradewind
Lol no prob, I was waiting for you to get down to my response below. Curse me for unclear writing!
*poofs*
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Cato the Elder Thu, Jul 22, 2010 3:37:27pm |
re: #26 windsagio
Oops, sucked back in.
Are you really defending breitbart, or is there some misunderstanding?
No misunderstanding. I just think you're an opportunistic boob.
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theheat Thu, Jul 22, 2010 3:37:29pm |
Good to see Mah Boo put it so succinctly. I appreciate the whack between Breitbart's eyes. There should be no letup placing the blame where it belongs.
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Summer Seale Thu, Jul 22, 2010 3:37:41pm |
re: #25 Cato the Elder
I would of course prefer FL, but yes...
Woot! Well IM me when you're there. Summer Seale. =)
I'd comment more on Breitbart right now but I think everyone has said the obvious and even not-so-obvious things. The guy is a racist asshole.
Yea, maybe I can't say it enough. =)
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Benghazzy Ben Ross Thu, Jul 22, 2010 3:37:42pm |
re: #26 windsagio
Oops, sucked back in.
Are you really defending breitbart, or is there some misunderstanding?
My gut tells me he was just taking a pot shot at you. That and Breitbart's shenanigans aren't really all that surprising.
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Varek Raith Thu, Jul 22, 2010 3:38:03pm |
re: #26 windsagio
Oops, sucked back in.
Are you really defending breitbart, or is there some misunderstanding?
Cato defending Breadbasket?
Yeah, and I'm a Jedi.
:P
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tradewind Thu, Jul 22, 2010 3:38:09pm |
re: #4 Kefirah
Well, if you're Breitbart, to be fair, you don't exactly want to be held up next to Anderson Cooper.
He's (AC) teh hawt.
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Daniel Ballard Thu, Jul 22, 2010 3:38:21pm |
re: #14 windsagio
I think you'll like this...
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
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Targetpractice Thu, Jul 22, 2010 3:38:49pm |
Stories like this and Maddow last night give me hope that, unlike when this all first started going down, that Faux and Breitbart will be made to face what they have done to this woman and answer for it. Andy's already chosen to slink away after the initial ass-kicking, but he can only hide for so long. As for Fox, I'm with Fozzie from downstairs, it's time to seriously consider revoking or at least temporarily suspending their press passes. If this is the sort of behavior we're to expect from them in the future, then they should have to watch from the outside with the rest of the gossip rags.
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tradewind Thu, Jul 22, 2010 3:40:46pm |
re: #36 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
it's time to seriously consider revoking or at least temporarily suspending their press passes.
Wrong, on so many levels.
But since it's not happening, I suppose you can fantasize.
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albusteve Thu, Jul 22, 2010 3:42:04pm |
re: #36 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Stories like this and Maddow last night give me hope that, unlike when this all first started going down, that Faux and Breitbart will be made to face what they have done to this woman and answer for it. Andy's already chosen to slink away after the initial ass-kicking, but he can only hide for so long. As for Fox, I'm with Fozzie from downstairs, it's time to seriously consider revoking or at least temporarily suspending their press passes. If this is the sort of behavior we're to expect from them in the future, then they should have to watch from the outside with the rest of the gossip rags.
too bad..if you are a TV junkie you'd better be prepared to deal with Fox inside your head...they are not going anywhere regardless of the beating you give them
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albusteve Thu, Jul 22, 2010 3:43:12pm |
re: #37 tradewind
Wrong, on so many levels.
But since it's not happening, I suppose you can fantasize.
yup...asking for a major butt kicking...major
BO takes on FOX they will demolish him
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Charles Johnson Thu, Jul 22, 2010 3:43:27pm |
re: #28 Cato the Elder
This isn't cool, and you should reconsider what you're doing before you push me too far.
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tradewind Thu, Jul 22, 2010 3:43:45pm |
re: #21 albusteve
From your lips.
It's day-to-day, minute-to-minute until the damn thing is fixed for sure.
Then the real work starts.
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tradewind Thu, Jul 22, 2010 3:44:12pm |
re: #39 albusteve
Already happened once. I don't really see them going back to that well.
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cronus Thu, Jul 22, 2010 3:44:27pm |
re: #36 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Stories like this and Maddow last night give me hope that, unlike when this all first started going down, that Faux and Breitbart will be made to face what they have done to this woman and answer for it. Andy's already chosen to slink away after the initial ass-kicking, but he can only hide for so long. As for Fox, I'm with Fozzie from downstairs, it's time to seriously consider revoking or at least temporarily suspending their press passes. If this is the sort of behavior we're to expect from them in the future, then they should have to watch from the outside with the rest of the gossip rags.
There's a better chance of the FCC being disbanded than Fox losing its broadcast license...
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blueraven Thu, Jul 22, 2010 3:44:27pm |
re: #16 tradewind
And he's got to love the chance to report anything other than hurricanes and oil spills for a change.
Does CNN decide this or does Cooper get to pick his gigs? Because I don't think I've seen him outside of a hurricane or oil spill in months.
Or that black t-shirt!
But what he said here was spot on. Not over the top like Olbermann.
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Daniel Ballard Thu, Jul 22, 2010 3:45:40pm |
As a commentator Anderson is one of the very best. One of the few worth watching to get worthwhile opinion.
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Daniel Ballard Thu, Jul 22, 2010 3:46:34pm |
When did Brietbart last run a good honest scoop video?
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Cato the Elder Thu, Jul 22, 2010 3:46:36pm |
re: #40 Charles
This isn't cool, and you should reconsider what you're doing before you push me too far.
Understood. In the worst possible way.
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avanti Thu, Jul 22, 2010 3:47:58pm |
Obama to take a Florida family vacation in August.
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Targetpractice Thu, Jul 22, 2010 3:48:16pm |
re: #37 tradewind
Wrong, on so many levels.
But since it's not happening, I suppose you can fantasize.
Perhaps I'm being misinterpreted. I'm not calling for Fox to be shut down or silenced by government order, I'm calling on them to be put on notice that if they're going to continue to editorialize rather than report the news and promote whatever rumors and theories they agree with, then the White House needs to lock them out of press briefings and treat them with the sort of disdain and disgust that they seem to be showing to the Administration.
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Shiplord Kirel Thu, Jul 22, 2010 3:48:21pm |
Fwiw, Breitbart could play a Confederate officer in the next Civil War epic if he'd let his beard grow out a little.
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albusteve Thu, Jul 22, 2010 3:50:42pm |
re: #49 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Perhaps I'm being misinterpreted. I'm not calling for Fox to be shut down or silenced by government order, I'm calling on them to be put on notice that if they're going to continue to editorialize rather than report the news and promote whatever rumors and theories they agree with, then the White House needs to lock them out of press briefings and treat them with the sort of disdain and disgust that they seem to be showing to the Administration.
wrong
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Targetpractice Thu, Jul 22, 2010 3:51:43pm |
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darthstar Thu, Jul 22, 2010 3:52:12pm |
Heh...Anderson getting his inner-Keith on...Good job, Mr. Cooper.
Oh, and speaking of nutbags, Sharron Angle runs away from a pregnant reporter...and so the story becomes her running away and turning her back on Nevadans...
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Nimed Thu, Jul 22, 2010 3:52:40pm |
Wow, such an unambiguous condemnation. This is a rare moment for CNN.
Now, would it be asking too much that, instead of AC making a commentary after the Breitbart interview, they would get an interviewer who actually confronted his guests? It would be fairer even for Breitbart, who would have the opportunity to defend the indefensible.
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albusteve Thu, Jul 22, 2010 3:52:48pm |
re: #45 Rightwingconspirator
As a commentator Anderson is one of the very best. One of the few worth watching to get worthwhile opinion.
I could care less...what sort of shoes does he wear tho?
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tradewind Thu, Jul 22, 2010 3:53:10pm |
re: #43 cronus
'Specially since they don't have an FCC license to revoke .//
.....per the FCC...
We license only individual broadcast stations. We do not license TV or radio networks (such as CBS, NBC, ABC or Fox) or other organizations with which stations have relationships (such as PBS or NPR), except to the extent that those entities may also be station licensees. We also do not regulate information provided over the Internet, nor do we intervene in private disputes involving broadcast stations or their licensees. Instead, we usually defer to the parties, courts, or other agencies to resolve such disputes.
[Link: www.fcc.gov...]
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Benghazzy Ben Ross Thu, Jul 22, 2010 3:53:53pm |
re: #52 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
On what grounds?
I think that would be a horrible idea. Not because I like Fox, or even that I think this is a violation of the freedom of the press, but because it would look really bad.
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darthstar Thu, Jul 22, 2010 3:54:22pm |
re: #49 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Perhaps I'm being misinterpreted. I'm not calling for Fox to be shut down or silenced by government order, I'm calling on them to be put on notice that if they're going to continue to editorialize rather than report the news and promote whatever rumors and theories they agree with, then the White House needs to lock them out of press briefings and treat them with the sort of disdain and disgust that they seem to be showing to the Administration.
The White House can simply call on everyone around them for a few weeks like they did early on in the administration...IIRC, the last time, when they did finally call on Fox, the first question was some kind of stupid loaded thing about a long dead topic...face-palms were prevalent in the press briefing room.
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albusteve Thu, Jul 22, 2010 3:54:30pm |
re: #52 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
On what grounds?
the First Amendment for starters...they pull their credentials and all hell would break loose
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tradewind Thu, Jul 22, 2010 3:54:35pm |
re: #53 darthstar
Well, Harry Reid said this morning that the government bail-out ' saved Ford Motor Corp ', so maybe they're starting out level again.//
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jul 22, 2010 3:55:07pm |
re: #53 darthstar
Heh...Anderson getting his inner-Keith on...Good job, Mr. Cooper.
Oh, and speaking of nutbags, Sharron Angle runs away from a pregnant reporter...and so the story becomes her running away and turning her back on Nevadans...
[Video]
I don't think that, even in this day and age, you can run a campaign while being quite this press-phobic.
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darthstar Thu, Jul 22, 2010 3:55:32pm |
re: #61 tradewind
Well, Harry Reid said this morning that the government bail-out ' saved Ford Motor Corp ', so maybe they're starting out level again.//
I didn't hear that. Given that Ford didn't take Government money, it's something he can easily correct...which, if true, I'm sure he will.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Jul 22, 2010 3:55:46pm |
re: #49 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Perhaps I'm being misinterpreted. I'm not calling for Fox to be shut down or silenced by government order, I'm calling on them to be put on notice that if they're going to continue to editorialize rather than report the news and promote whatever rumors and theories they agree with, then the White House needs to lock them out of press briefings and treat them with the sort of disdain and disgust that they seem to be showing to the Administration.
/we'll show those capitalist pigs, eh komrade?
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Jul 22, 2010 3:56:22pm |
re: #62 SanFranciscoZionist
I don't think that, even in this day and age, you can run a campaign while being quite this press-phobic.
Alvin Greene is sure trying...
(i love that guy. but in a comedic way...)
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jul 22, 2010 3:56:53pm |
re: #59 darthstar
The White House can simply call on everyone around them for a few weeks like they did early on in the administration...IIRC, the last time, when they did finally call on Fox, the first question was some kind of stupid loaded thing about a long dead topic...face-palms were prevalent in the press briefing room.
I'm reading Kristin Gore's second book right now--there's a fun scene where the president's father has just died, and the main character is confronting the press with her boss, the vice president. One of the reporters asks an offensive, nasty question, and the camel the vice president is leading spits at her. (They're on a tour of India at the time.)
"The camel spit for all of us," the narrator thinks.
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albusteve Thu, Jul 22, 2010 3:56:58pm |
re: #61 tradewind
Well, Harry Reid said this morning that the government bail-out ' saved Ford Motor Corp ', so maybe they're starting out level again.//
Reid would say that, he's a whore...he also said there are no illegal aliens doing construction work in Nevada...the guy is a lunatic
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Romantic Heretic Thu, Jul 22, 2010 3:57:12pm |
re: #58 JasonA
I think that would be a horrible idea. Not because I like Fox, or even that I think this is a violation of the freedom of the press, but because it would look really bad.
Much as I loathe Fox, I agree with this. Freedom of speech applies even to douchebags.
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darthstar Thu, Jul 22, 2010 3:57:24pm |
re: #65 Aceofwhat?
Alvin Greene is sure trying...
(i love that guy. but in a comedic way...)
Alvin Greene at least lets the reporters ask him questions, even if he's incapable of answering them. He's running on a simple slogan - "Better than DeMint"...I think it could be a winner.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jul 22, 2010 3:57:42pm |
re: #65 Aceofwhat?
Alvin Greene is sure trying...
(i love that guy. but in a comedic way...)
I still want the Alvin Greene action-figures.
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tradewind Thu, Jul 22, 2010 3:57:46pm |
re: #59 darthstar
Do you remember the not-so-distant war on Fox declared by the WH communications office, publicly led by whats-her-name, Anita Dunn?
Ended in a ratings bonanza for the network, and a favorability rating drop for the WH.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Jul 22, 2010 3:58:21pm |
re: #67 albusteve
Reid would say that, he's a whore...he also said there are no illegal aliens doing construction work in Nevada...the guy is a lunatic
he also thinks that Yucca Mountain is a bad idea...apparently, science is only worthy when it suits his aims...
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albusteve Thu, Jul 22, 2010 3:58:24pm |
re: #63 darthstar
I didn't hear that. Given that Ford didn't take Government money, it's something he can easily correct...which, if true, I'm sure he will.
fer gods sake...Reid is a serial liar
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jul 22, 2010 3:58:49pm |
re: #67 albusteve
Reid would say that, he's a whore...he also said there are no illegal aliens doing construction work in Nevada...the guy is a lunatic
That's because the guys you think are illegal aliens doing construction work in Nevada are actually gay Iranians, on work visas.
//or something, it made sense in my mind for a brief second.
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darthstar Thu, Jul 22, 2010 3:59:02pm |
re: #71 tradewind
Do you remember the not-so-distant war on Fox declared by the WH communications office, publicly led by whats-her-name, Anita Dunn?
Ended in a ratings bonanza for the network, and a favorability rating drop for the WH.
You're just one unteachable moment after another, aren't you?
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Amory Blaine Thu, Jul 22, 2010 3:59:03pm |
Nice commentary. Not sure about the false equivalence though.
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Varek Raith Thu, Jul 22, 2010 3:59:03pm |
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Nimed Thu, Jul 22, 2010 3:59:10pm |
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Digital Display Thu, Jul 22, 2010 3:59:13pm |
re: #63 darthstar
I didn't hear that. Given that Ford didn't take Government money, it's something he can easily correct...which, if true, I'm sure he will.
I laughed when I read that this morning..I sure hope he misspoke...Cause I'm pretty sure if he didn't there are at least 150 million people in this Country that knows Ford didn't take a dime and the Leader of the United States Senate didn't...Which is really scary.. I think he misspoke
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tradewind Thu, Jul 22, 2010 3:59:14pm |
re: #63 darthstar
That was the point. They didn't take the money, but he named them anyway.
Even Democrats can misspeak.//
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jul 22, 2010 3:59:35pm |
re: #68 Romantic Heretic
Much as I loathe Fox, I agree with this. Freedom of speech applies even to douchebags.
It doesn't take away someone's freedom of speech not to allow them into a press conference. Not that I think this is a good idea, but frankly, Fox is turning into a political version of TMZ.
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wrenchwench Thu, Jul 22, 2010 3:59:43pm |
Cooper refers to Sherrod's speech as being about her "change of heart". I think it can be argued that she was not a racist even at the time of the 1980s incident she spoke of. She talked about her experiences with racism, but not her own racism. She started with the lynchings of her relatives, which one would think give her a reason to be anti-white. When she gets to the white farmer who came to her for help, her attitude was a reaction to his. I can imagine the farmer was not happy about having to seek assistance from a black woman, which may be why he was taking an attitude with her. She didn't give him the "full force" of help she could, because he was being rude to her. Maybe that was wrong, but that's not racist, that's self-preservation in a bureaucratic job.
He needed a lawyer, and she sent him to "one of his own", thinking that meant he would get the help he needed. When she found out the white lawyer screwed the white farmer, that was her eye-opener. She had spoken earlier about black people helping each other out, and she was surprised to find it wasn't that way with white people.
Of course, I don't know her, I'm just going from what's on the video tape. But at least I'm going from the whole video tape.
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tradewind Thu, Jul 22, 2010 3:59:47pm |
re: #75 darthstar
I was merely pointing out a teachable moment that was not lost on the WH.
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albusteve Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:00:10pm |
re: #74 SanFranciscoZionist
That's because the guys you think are illegal aliens doing construction work in Nevada are actually gay Iranians, on work visas.
//or something, it made sense in my mind for a brief second.
heh...maybe, I'm not always in total control and I may have missed something
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:00:24pm |
re: #70 SanFranciscoZionist
I still want the Alvin Greene action-figures.
hehe...pornographic computer screen accessory optional...
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Targetpractice Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:00:24pm |
re: #59 darthstar
The White House can simply call on everyone around them for a few weeks like they did early on in the administration...IIRC, the last time, when they did finally call on Fox, the first question was some kind of stupid loaded thing about a long dead topic...face-palms were prevalent in the press briefing room.
If I believed that that would register with Fox, I'd be all for it. But it didn't then, so why would it now? They're going to cry foul to whatever treatment the White House gives them over this, and continuing to act as though they had no part in Ms. Sherrod's forced resignation is like ignoring that the guy who supplied the arsonist with gasoline.
If not pulling their press passes, then at least call them out on it. Don't just maintain the silent treatment, make it clear that the Administration does not approve of Fox's part in this entire fiasco and will not acknowledge its presence in press briefings until it does something to fix the very obvious problems it has with regards to publishing stories without authentication.
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tradewind Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:01:03pm |
re: #75 darthstar
Another poster here beat you to that one. You identifying with him?//
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albusteve Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:01:42pm |
re: #79 HoosierHoops
I laughed when I read that this morning..I sure hope he misspoke...Cause I'm pretty sure if he didn't there are at least 150 million people in this Country that knows Ford didn't take a dime and the Leader of the United States Senate didn't...Which is really scary.. I think he misspoke
and I think he lies intentionally
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darthstar Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:02:35pm |
re: #86 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
If I believed that that would register with Fox, I'd be all for it. But it didn't then, so why would it now? They're going to cry foul to whatever treatment the White House gives them over this, and continuing to act as though they had no part in Ms. Sherrod's forced resignation is like ignoring that the guy who supplied the arsonist with gasoline.
If not pulling their press passes, then at least call them out on it. Don't just maintain the silent treatment, make it clear that the Administration does not approve of Fox's part in this entire fiasco and will not acknowledge its presence in press briefings until it does something to fix the very obvious problems it has with regards to publishing stories without authentication.
Or maybe they could take the strategy of answering all of Fox News' questions with the same answer, "Bill Ayers, Reverend Wright, Allahu akbar - it's what you're going to print anyway."
/
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Beauzeaux Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:02:41pm |
He repeatedly says these ideologues who do these awful things are from both the right and left.
I haven't seen any doctored videos or attacks based on out-of-context quotes coming from the ultra-left. But I guess that's because even the moderate left gets so little attention while the ultra-right is constantly on television & radio.
Is Cooper right? Is there blame on "both" sides or is this just another false equivalence.
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reine.de.tout Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:02:50pm |
re: #82 wrenchwench
Cooper refers to Sherrod's speech as being about her "change of heart". I think it can be argued that she was not a racist even at the time of the 1980s incident she spoke of. She talked about her experiences with racism, but not her own racism. She started with the lynchings of her relatives, which one would think give her a reason to be anti-white. When she gets to the white farmer who came to her for help, her attitude was a reaction to his. I can imagine the farmer was not happy about having to seek assistance from a black woman, which may be why he was taking an attitude with her. She didn't give him the "full force" of help she could, because he was being rude to her. Maybe that was wrong, but that's not racist, that's self-preservation in a bureaucratic job.
He needed a lawyer, and she sent him to "one of his own", thinking that meant he would get the help he needed. When she found out the white lawyer screwed the white farmer, that was her eye-opener. She had spoken earlier about black people helping each other out, and she was surprised to find it wasn't that way with white people.
Of course, I don't know her, I'm just going from what's on the video tape. But at least I'm going from the whole video tape.
She ended up, I believe, giving him the full force of help that she could.
The speech was about her own process of reflection, thought and growth, a process probably many of us have (or should have) undergone on any number of issues over of the course of our lives. She chose to speak about this particular process.
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tradewind Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:03:05pm |
re: #79 HoosierHoops
Probably he did. What do you want to be there won't be a four day media blitz on it, though?
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Targetpractice Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:03:16pm |
re: #89 darthstar
Or maybe they could take the strategy of answering all of Fox News' questions with the same answer, "Bill Ayers, Reverend Wright, Allahu akbar - it's what you're going to print anyway."
/
Hmm, you may be on to something there.
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Cato the Elder Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:03:23pm |
re: #78 Nimed
Cato, meu amigo, uma música para ti numa tarde de Verão.
May the wind be always at your back.
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darthstar Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:04:31pm |
re: #90 Beauzeaux
He repeatedly says these ideologues who do these awful things are from both the right and left.
I haven't seen any doctored videos or attacks based on out-of-context quotes coming from the ultra-left. But I guess that's because even the moderate left gets so little attention while the ultra-right is constantly on television & radio.
Is Cooper right? Is there blame on "both" sides or is this just another false equivalence.
It's a false equivalence, but a necessary one. By saying that there are people on both sides who smear, they avoid the right-wing outrage of their special-needs poster child Breitbart getting called the racist smear artist that he is gaining legs.
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Varek Raith Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:04:42pm |
re: #89 darthstar
Or maybe they could take the strategy of answering all of Fox News' questions with the same answer, "Bill Ayers, Reverend Wright, Allahu akbar - it's what you're going to print anyway."
/
SEIU THUGS
ACORN
CODE PINK
STUFF COSTS MORE THAN IT USED TO!!!
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albusteve Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:04:53pm |
re: #90 Beauzeaux
He repeatedly says these ideologues who do these awful things are from both the right and left.
I haven't seen any doctored videos or attacks based on out-of-context quotes coming from the ultra-left. But I guess that's because even the moderate left gets so little attention while the ultra-right is constantly on television & radio.
Is Cooper right? Is there blame on "both" sides or is this just another false equivalence.
I blame everybody...what's the fucking use of trying to sort them out...we need term limits in this stupid country...term limits...legislate, grab some graft, do a few lines and go home
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reine.de.tout Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:04:56pm |
re: #90 Beauzeaux
He repeatedly says these ideologues who do these awful things are from both the right and left.
I haven't seen any doctored videos or attacks based on out-of-context quotes coming from the ultra-left. But I guess that's because even the moderate left gets so little attention while the ultra-right is constantly on television & radio.
Is Cooper right? Is there blame on "both" sides or is this just another false equivalence.
IIRC, there were some "doctored" gaza flotilla videos, but I have no clue which "side" produced those. I'm thinking the folks on that flotilla weren't really conservative.
Then there was a video not long ago, put out at a site, had been doctored to show US soldiers in the worst possible light. The whole video showed a completely different story playing out.
So, yes, it happens, unless one is just not, you know, looking for it.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:04:59pm |
re: #90 Beauzeaux
He repeatedly says these ideologues who do these awful things are from both the right and left.
I haven't seen any doctored videos or attacks based on out-of-context quotes coming from the ultra-left. But I guess that's because even the moderate left gets so little attention while the ultra-right is constantly on television & radio.
Is Cooper right? Is there blame on "both" sides or is this just another false equivalence.
Truly, I'm not sure. For most things, I think there are examples from both right and left, although often circumstances make them different enough that their equivalence is arguable.
I cannot think of a close parallel for this Sherrod business coming from the left. For one thing, the far nutty left has relatively little access to big media, and Breitbart, for reasons that surpass my understanding, has.
Anyone--can you think of the left-wing equivalent of this kind of an attack?
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darthstar Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:05:15pm |
re: #96 Varek Raith
SEIU THUGS
ACORN
CODE PINK
STUFF COSTS MORE THAN IT USED TO!!!
Or this classic from the last eight years, "Presidentin' is hard work"
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:05:26pm |
re: #92 tradewind
Probably he did. What do you want to be there won't be a four day media blitz on it, though?
As opposed to when?
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albusteve Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:07:08pm |
re: #94 Cato the Elder
May the wind be always at your back.
used to have that posted in my bathroom...as an ex sailor, I dig that verbage...
"you cannot always predict the direction of the wind, but you can adjust your sails"
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researchok Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:07:18pm |
re: #95 darthstar
It's a false equivalence, but a necessary one. By saying that there are people on both sides who smear, they avoid the right-wing outrage of their special-needs poster child Breitbart getting called the racist smear artist that he is gaining legs.
Agreed. I do believe this kind of crap is universal, but today the story is about Breitbart.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:07:54pm |
re: #98 reine.de.tout
IIRC, there were some "doctored" gaza flotilla videos, but I have no clue which "side" produced those. I'm thinking the folks on that flotilla weren't really conservative.
Then there was a video not long ago, put out at a site, had been doctored to show US soldiers in the worst possible light. The whole video showed a completely different story playing out.
So, yes, it happens, unless one is just not, you know, looking for it.
The flotilla thing was a scramble with people trying to get material out that showed their version of events.
Did the video about the soldiers make it to national news? That's what I'm looking at here, not the use of lies and doctored crap to make other people look back--that's as old as time--but the access to big news that can blow up a nonstory into a national frenzy.
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reine.de.tout Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:08:17pm |
re: #97 albusteve
I blame everybody...what's the fucking use of trying to sort them out...we need term limits in this stupid country...term limits...legislate, grab some graft, do a few lines and go home
We do have term limits.
It's called "the voters".
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:08:24pm |
re: #100 darthstar
Or this classic from the last eight years, "Presidentin' is hard work"
Undeniable, one would think.
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reine.de.tout Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:09:00pm |
re: #104 SanFranciscoZionist
The flotilla thing was a scramble with people trying to get material out that showed their version of events.
Did the video about the soldiers make it to national news? That's what I'm looking at here, not the use of lies and doctored crap to make other people look back--that's as old as time--but the access to big news that can blow up a nonstory into a national frenzy.
I think the guy was on one of the cable news channels - maybe it was Fox? I don't recall. But there was a discussion about it in a thread here.
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wrenchwench Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:09:03pm |
re: #91 reine.de.tout
She ended up, I believe, giving him the full force of help that she could.
The speech was about her own process of reflection, thought and growth, a process probably many of us have (or should have) undergone on any number of issues over of the course of our lives. She chose to speak about this particular process.
Yes, she helped them hang onto the farm, after she found out the lawyer did nothing. And she was shocked that he did nothing even though he was paid.
I think she realized through this that all poor people are in the same boat, but I'm not convinced she was ever a racist.
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albusteve Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:09:42pm |
re: #105 reine.de.tout
We do have term limits.
It's called "the voters".
and who knows what happens when the voters cages are opened?...they will vote for a infomercial
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Digital Display Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:09:45pm |
re: #88 albusteve
and I think he lies intentionally
Why do you think he lied? There are 18000 people fact checking his ass every single word...I just think he misspoke and there was some senior staffer afterwards that told him he had the facts wrong...
I have video heavily edited to prove my point....
I said that?
Yes sir
So I'm a dumbass gaffe machine like Joe?
I didn't say that sir
So what are you saying?
I need to pick up your dry cleaning..
Oh..OK..Carry on
Yes sir
Who was that guy?
COS sir
A what?
Chief of Staff Sir..
Oh.OK carry on..
Yes sir...Anything else?
Coffee..
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tradewind Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:09:47pm |
re: #99 SanFranciscoZionist
George Bush was awol and didn't finish his pilot stint in the NG because he was high on coke.//
There was proof. A former officer said so.//
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researchok Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:10:17pm |
re: #82 wrenchwench
Cooper refers to Sherrod's speech as being about her "change of heart". I think it can be argued that she was not a racist even at the time of the 1980s incident she spoke of. She talked about her experiences with racism, but not her own racism. She started with the lynchings of her relatives, which one would think give her a reason to be anti-white. When she gets to the white farmer who came to her for help, her attitude was a reaction to his. I can imagine the farmer was not happy about having to seek assistance from a black woman, which may be why he was taking an attitude with her. She didn't give him the "full force" of help she could, because he was being rude to her. Maybe that was wrong, but that's not racist, that's self-preservation in a bureaucratic job.
He needed a lawyer, and she sent him to "one of his own", thinking that meant he would get the help he needed. When she found out the white lawyer screwed the white farmer, that was her eye-opener. She had spoken earlier about black people helping each other out, and she was surprised to find it wasn't that way with white people.
Of course, I don't know her, I'm just going from what's on the video tape. But at least I'm going from the whole video tape.
Nice insight. Personal transformations or growth are not necessarily simple or neat. What matters is that they occur.
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CuriousLurker Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:10:28pm |
OT - Just popping in for a sec to make a quick request:
I just posted a page on an article I read earlier this afternoon regarding free will and moral responsibility.
Be cause we have such a diverse & well-read group here, I'm intensely interested in hearing the thoughts of any of you Lizards who have time to read it and make comments.
Sorry for the interruption and TIA. Carry on!
*dashes back out door*
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Charles Johnson Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:10:37pm |
re: #95 darthstar
It's a false equivalence, but a necessary one. By saying that there are people on both sides who smear, they avoid the right-wing outrage of their special-needs poster child Breitbart getting called the racist smear artist that he is gaining legs.
Well, I'd say there definitely are some smear artists on the left, having been a target of some of them.
There are some parallels in the Dan Rather case; there's no doubt that leftist politics drove some of the willful igorance that led to that debacle. Mary Mapes is a very open leftist, and Rather himself is a sort of Xanax leftist.
I don't think it's exactly equivalent to what Breitbart did, though -- the race baiting aspect of it sets Breitbart apart.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:11:02pm |
re: #107 reine.de.tout
I think the guy was on one of the cable news channels - maybe it was Fox? I don't recall. But there was a discussion about it in a thread here.
OK, that might be closer, then.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:11:12pm |
re: #104 SanFranciscoZionist
Did the video about the soldiers make it to national news? That's what I'm looking at here, not the use of lies and doctored crap to make other people look back--that's as old as time--but the access to big news that can blow up a nonstory into a national frenzy.
In fairness, though, Anderson's comment was the part that's as old as time. Access to big news is more a function of business savvy than lies and doctored crap...a lie that attempts and fails to get national traction isn't less of a lie, it's just a less successful marketing attempt.
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darthstar Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:11:15pm |
re: #108 wrenchwench
Yes, she helped them hang onto the farm, after she found out the lawyer did nothing. And she was shocked that he did nothing even though he was paid.
I think she realized through this that all poor people are in the same boat, but I'm not convinced she was ever a racist.
She took them to "one of their own" who, in turn, tried to fuck them over. So she did the right thing, and helped them file for chapter 11 and saved them from losing their farm. There's nothing wrong with that story, except that Breitbart and his type hang on to that phrase "one of their own"...
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reine.de.tout Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:11:37pm |
re: #104 SanFranciscoZionist
The flotilla thing was a scramble with people trying to get material out that showed their version of events.
Did the video about the soldiers make it to national news? That's what I'm looking at here, not the use of lies and doctored crap to make other people look back--that's as old as time--but the access to big news that can blow up a nonstory into a national frenzy.
Besides which, he/she asked for examples and I gave them.
I was not aware at the time that we were looking for EXACT duplicates or anything remotely parallel to this particular situation. I suspect that would be hard to find as it would be non-existent. The question was, has it been done by the ultra-left? I gave a couple of examples where I thought it had.
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tradewind Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:12:19pm |
re: #107 reine.de.tout
Don't forget the thousands of bodies piled in the streets of Jenin.
Oh wait. Animalz!
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darthstar Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:12:57pm |
re: #114 Charles
Hey, did you see the dKos diary about you today? It's by a lizard, and the comments are by and large positive.
[Link: www.dailykos.com...]
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Killgore Trout Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:13:05pm |
re: #114 Charles
Well, I'd say there definitely are some smear artists on the left, having been a target of some of them.
There are some parallels in the Dan Rather case; there's no doubt that leftist politics drove some of the willful igorance that led to that debacle. Mary Mapes is a very open leftist, and Rather himself is a sort of Xanax leftist.
I don't think it's exactly equivalent to what Breitbart did, though -- the race baiting aspect of it sets Breitbart apart.
Michael Moore is probably the closest left analogy to Breitbart although Andy does seem to achieve a level level of depravity with the same gimick.
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Amory Blaine Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:13:19pm |
re: #99 SanFranciscoZionist
Truly, I'm not sure. For most things, I think there are examples from both right and left, although often circumstances make them different enough that their equivalence is arguable.
I cannot think of a close parallel for this Sherrod business coming from the left. For one thing, the far nutty left has relatively little access to big media, and Breitbart, for reasons that surpass my understanding, has.
Anyone--can you think of the left-wing equivalent of this kind of an attack?
I don't know about the equivalence, but the patterns of incompetence and weakness exibited by the MSM is scary.
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albusteve Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:13:26pm |
there is nothing, NOTHING, like running downwind against the white caps slamming against your hull...mainsil pulling against the mast, jib blown out pulling you ahead, cocktail in one hand, the other on the spokes, trying to keep a line...fucking way cool...sail on sailor
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:13:29pm |
re: #111 tradewind
George Bush was awol and didn't finish his pilot stint in the NG because he was high on coke.//
There was proof. A former officer said so.//
Not an equivalent. If we're talking about attacks on the president, by partisan sources, we're on a totally different track, one with ample examples on all sides of the mainstream political world.
I'm thinking about the ability of a left-wing partisan fuckhead to get someone fired, and get the whole world looking at him, by digging up some half-assed section of a speech. This, I suspect, is a pretty new thing, and it's not good.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:13:36pm |
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reine.de.tout Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:13:49pm |
re: #109 albusteve
and who knows what happens when the voters cages are opened?...they will vote for a infomercial
Ah. I have more faith in people than that.
However: If that is indeed what people respond to, then our politicians better start learning the ropes and make some really good infomercials. Seriously.
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tradewind Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:14:12pm |
re: #99 SanFranciscoZionist
Don't forget the right-wing crazies who lynched a census worker in Kentucky and carved ' FED ' into his back, because they were so upset at the election of Obama.//
That story raged for a few months.
The retraction was a tiny paragraph of ' whoops, he killed himself for the insurance '.
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wrenchwench Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:14:13pm |
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blueraven Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:14:19pm |
re: #61 tradewind
Well, Harry Reid said this morning that the government bail-out ' saved Ford Motor Corp ', so maybe they're starting out level again.//
Ford also commented that the bailout for GM and Chrysler saved the industry as a whole.
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darthstar Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:14:38pm |
re: #114 Charles
I don't think it's exactly equivalent to what Breitbart did, though -- the race baiting aspect of it sets Breitbart apart.
No, it's not an exact equivalent, and even there was an exact equivalent, it doesn't make what Breitbart did any better. I think Cooper was just preempting the criticism he knows is coming by throwing that bone out there.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:14:41pm |
re: #116 Aceofwhat?
In fairness, though, Anderson's comment was the part that's as old as time. Access to big news is more a function of business savvy than lies and doctored crap...a lie that attempts and fails to get national traction isn't less of a lie, it's just a less successful marketing attempt.
True, which is what draws my attention about this. I mean, Breitbart is a liar, we already knew that, and yet he keeps his access, somehow.
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windsagio Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:14:52pm |
re: #124 SanFranciscoZionist
Equivalence doesn't matter anyways; even if there are terrible examples of something like this in the past, it in no way lessens this crap.
(There's a word for that fallacy I think, or maybe 2...)
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researchok Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:15:07pm |
re: #114 Charles
Well, I'd say there definitely are some smear artists on the left, having been a target of some of them.
There are some parallels in the Dan Rather case; there's no doubt that leftist politics drove some of the willful igorance that led to that debacle. Mary Mapes is a very open leftist, and Rather himself is a sort of Xanax leftist.
I don't think it's exactly equivalent to what Breitbart did, though -- the race baiting aspect of it sets Breitbart apart.
Precisely. The a-holes who went after you perceived you as a target, someone who threatened them. Shirley Sherrod was singled out to be fodder and no more. As far as Breitbart was concerned her life and reputation meant nothing.
Breitbart didn't play the race card. Her played the racist card. There is a big difference.
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tradewind Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:15:28pm |
re: #129 blueraven
Oh, just the same.
Only different.
Ford has been quite vocal letting the public know, as well they should, that they refused the handout.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:15:51pm |
re: #117 darthstar
She took them to "one of their own" who, in turn, tried to fuck them over. So she did the right thing, and helped them file for chapter 11 and saved them from losing their farm. There's nothing wrong with that story, except that Breitbart and his type hang on to that phrase "one of their own"...
They're absolutely obsessed with proving racism from any casual remark by a black person that seems to hint at racial division. Wonder how hard they would push back to deny that phrase was racist if someone tried to use it against a white person they liked?
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wrenchwench Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:15:57pm |
re: #133 researchok
Breitbart didn't play the race card. Her played the racist card. There is a big difference.
There's another keeper.
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Cato the Elder Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:16:19pm |
"Xanax leftist"!
I know a few people who would qualify for free prescriptions.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:16:20pm |
re: #118 reine.de.tout
Besides which, he/she asked for examples and I gave them.
I was not aware at the time that we were looking for EXACT duplicates or anything remotely parallel to this particular situation. I suspect that would be hard to find as it would be non-existent. The question was, has it been done by the ultra-left? I gave a couple of examples where I thought it had.
OK, and those are good ones. I'm just interested in the oddity of this case.
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albusteve Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:16:21pm |
re: #126 reine.de.tout
Ah. I have more faith in people than that.
However: If that is indeed what people respond to, then our politicians better start learning the ropes and make some really good infomercials. Seriously.
American Idol is on it
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:16:50pm |
re: #122 Amory Blaine
I don't know about the equivalence, but the patterns of incompetence and weakness exibited by the MSM is scary.
Agreed.
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darthstar Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:17:10pm |
re: #135 SanFranciscoZionist
They're absolutely obsessed with proving racism from any casual remark by a black person that seems to hint at racial division. Wonder how hard they would push back to deny that phrase was racist if someone tried to use it against a white person they liked?
Well, I think the whole Sherrod story is exactly how hard they'd push back, as it was done in reaction to the NAACP calling on the Tea Party to distance itself from the racists in its ranks.
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windsagio Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:17:34pm |
re: #138 SanFranciscoZionist
best actual parallels I can think of are o'Keefe/ACORN, but I think that doesn't really help B much >>
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tradewind Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:17:36pm |
re: #132 windsagio
So true. It's just another version of ' I know you are but what am I '.
Giving the examples in no way means that I think they should be held up as justification.
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albusteve Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:18:04pm |
the Great Awakening!
the MSM sucks...it is not your friend
you are a tool
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Charles Johnson Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:18:14pm |
re: #120 darthstar
Yes, I saw it, it's kind of cool -- but I also see some comments in there that are related to what I just wrote.
Somebody said I should "come clean about the Dan Rather thing" (paraphrasing), which sounds like he thinks I was part of a conspiracy or something -- which is an argument I'm so freaking sick of, there are no words. That's a level of denial equivalent to the righties who are defending Breitbart.
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reine.de.tout Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:18:39pm |
re: #120 darthstar
Hey, did you see the dKos diary about you today? It's by a lizard, and the comments are by and large positive.
[Link: www.dailykos.com...]
I can't get to the comments.
And before you tell me I need to be registered, I am, and still can't get the comments to open.
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Varek Raith Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:19:20pm |
re: #145 Charles
Yes, I saw it, it's kind of cool -- but I also see some comments in there that are related to what I just wrote.
Somebody said I should "come clean about the Dan Rather thing" (paraphrasing), which sounds like he thinks I was part of a conspiracy or something -- which is an argument I'm so freaking sick of, there are no words. That's a level of denial equivalent to the righties who are defending Breitbart.
You went back in time with a windows pc with word and....
?
:)
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cronus Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:19:35pm |
OT:
@JakeTapper: This week the Obama administration fired a black woman for a racist act she didn't commit and an Arabic-speaking Lt. because he's gay.
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darthstar Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:20:55pm |
re: #145 Charles
Yes, I saw it, it's kind of cool -- but I also see some comments in there that are related to what I just wrote.
Somebody said I should "come clean about the Dan Rather thing" (paraphrasing), which sounds like he thinks I was part of a conspiracy or something -- which is an argument I'm so freaking sick of, there are no words. That's a level of denial equivalent to the righties who are defending Breitbart.
Yep...there are some people who will never give you the benefit of the doubt. But I'm guessing you've learned to accept that by now. By the way, I still think you should try a Front-page exchange with Marcos going into the fall election cycle(there are some here, obviously, who still hate him for his comments on the four mercs slaughtered in Fallujah).
Olive branches. They're not just good door decorations.
Peace.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:21:31pm |
re: #130 darthstar
No, it's not an exact equivalent, and even there was an exact equivalent, it doesn't make what Breitbart did any better. I think Cooper was just preempting the criticism he knows is coming by throwing that bone out there.
Probably. And when I say I don't think there is a left-wing equivalent to this, I don't mean the left has a clean record in not fucking around with the press and lying to people (so Trade, you can stop coming up with stories that hurt your feelings).
I mean that trying to make this a left-right thing ignores the oddball nature of this, and some other Breitbart-connected recent events. They're distinguished not only by their nastiness and deceptiveness, but by their access. I wonder who pulls Breitbart's strings, or if he does this for fun, and because he's learned he can.
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albusteve Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:21:37pm |
re: #145 Charles
Yes, I saw it, it's kind of cool -- but I also see some comments in there that are related to what I just wrote.
Somebody said I should "come clean about the Dan Rather thing" (paraphrasing), which sounds like he thinks I was part of a conspiracy or something -- which is an argument I'm so freaking sick of, there are no words. That's a level of denial equivalent to the righties who are defending Breitbart.
fuck that...where is the credit you deserve?....come clean?, hahaha!...you cannot fight them all, they are like bugs
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:22:09pm |
re: #132 windsagio
Equivalence doesn't matter anyways; even if there are terrible examples of something like this in the past, it in no way lessens this crap.
(There's a word for that fallacy I think, or maybe 2...)
Yeah, I'm getting distracted.
But this isn't normative...it's not same-old, same-old.
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Varek Raith Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:22:21pm |
re: #149 darthstar
Yep...there are some people who will never give you the benefit of the doubt. But I'm guessing you've learned to accept that by now. By the way, I still think you should try a Front-page exchange with Marcos going into the fall election cycle(there are some here, obviously, who still hate him for his comments on the four mercs slaughtered in Fallujah).
Olive branches. They're not just good door decorations.
Peace.
They're very useful as a blunt instrument of violence.
/
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darthstar Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:22:29pm |
re: #150 SanFranciscoZionist
LMAO at the parenthetical to Trade...
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albusteve Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:22:52pm |
are there even ten people here that recall the throbbing memo?
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Varek Raith Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:23:08pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:23:14pm |
re: #142 windsagio
best actual parallels I can think of are o'Keefe/ACORN, but I think that doesn't really help B much >>
Yeah. It's a new school of attack journalism.
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windsagio Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:23:37pm |
re: #153 SanFranciscoZionist
Its part of the fever breaking, I hope :)
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tradewind Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:23:42pm |
re: #124 SanFranciscoZionist
Let's just say that Trent Lott's thoughtless massaging of an old segregationist's ego on his 99th birthday was not given the same pass as ______ ( fill in gaffe of choice) several incidents afterwards involving Biden, Harry Reid, Robert Byrd, et al and their public statements about ' clean ' candidates, with ' no negro dialects' ', and in Byrd's case, the N word used more than once on the Senate floor. Lott was run out of his job on a rail.
BTW, don't intend to start on that topic, just giving an example of someone getting fired.
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Digital Display Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:23:51pm |
re: #145 Charles
Yes, I saw it, it's kind of cool -- but I also see some comments in there that are related to what I just wrote.
Somebody said I should "come clean about the Dan Rather thing" (paraphrasing), which sounds like he thinks I was part of a conspiracy or something -- which is an argument I'm so freaking sick of, there are no words. That's a level of denial equivalent to the righties who are defending Breitbart.
LOL I read that also.. To this Day Rather has yet to come clean..What do you need to come clean of? That Rather didn't come clean? Cause to this day it's still fake but accurate .
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darthstar Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:23:51pm |
re: #156 albusteve
are there even ten people here that recall the throbbing memo?
Ooh...do tell! "throbbing memo" sounds down-right salacious.
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:23:59pm |
re: #120 darthstar
Hey, did you see the dKos diary about you today? It's by a lizard, and the comments are by and large positive.
[Link: www.dailykos.com...]
There's always going to be assholes who pop up and smear LGF over RaTHeR!1! or something else over there. I did think it was pretty nice overall though--and I'm always happy to see some pushback happening on left sites against anti-LGF bullshit.
It'd be nice to see that happen on the right too, but those guys are all lost in a howling tornado of general insanity. It's like asking for a pony.
/where is my pony, anyway? :(
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:24:36pm |
re: #156 albusteve
are there even ten people here that recall the throbbing memo?
I recall the throbbing memo. Why do you ask?
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Varek Raith Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:24:46pm |
re: #163 iceweasel
There's always going to be assholes who pop up and smear LGF over RaTHeR!1! or something else over there. I did think it was pretty nice overall though--and I'm always happy to see some pushback happening on left sites against anti-LGF bullshit.
It'd be nice to see that happen on the right too, but those guys are all lost in a howling tornado of general insanity. It's like asking for a pony./where is my pony, anyway? :(
Forget your pony, where's my flying car?!
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tradewind Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:25:33pm |
re: #150 SanFranciscoZionist
Oh, thank heavens. I was teetering on the brink of emotional devastation.//
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windsagio Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:25:58pm |
As I think about it more and more, the parallel between this and Rather is pretty weak.
Overeagerness to snap up a scoop and also get at someone you didn't like, as compared to intentionally shredding a video in order to nail somebody for racist reasons.
Not really much to compare >>
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:26:02pm |
re: #160 tradewind
Let's just say that Trent Lott's thoughtless massaging of an old segregationist's ego on his 99th birthday was not given the same pass as ___ ( fill in gaffe of choice) several incidents afterwards involving Biden, Harry Reid, Robert Byrd, et al and their public statements about ' clean ' candidates, with ' no negro dialects' ', and in Byrd's case, the N word used more than once on the Senate floor. Lott was run out of his job on a rail.
BTW, don't intend to start on that topic, just giving an example of someone getting fired.
Lott actually said what he said, and it was vile. I don't know why you can't understand how horrible what he said was, but I don't intend to have this conversation again.
Ever.
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blueraven Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:26:03pm |
re: #134 tradewind
Oh, just the same.
Only different.
Ford has been quite vocal letting the public know, as well they should, that they refused the handout.
I never said it was the same. Ford should be touting the fact that they didn't take bailout money. Good for them! However in private, I am pretty sure they are very grateful for the government action.
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darthstar Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:26:08pm |
re: #165 Varek Raith
Forget your pony, where's my flying car?!
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:27:14pm |
re: #162 darthstar
Ooh...do tell! "throbbing memo" sounds down-right salacious.
it was a blinking image that flickered back and forth between MS Word and Rather's "document".
It was brilliant in its simplicity.
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tradewind Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:27:40pm |
re: #168 windsagio
And, not undeservedly, Ms Sherrod will come out of this in fine shape, both financially, and with her reputation intact, if not enhanced.
Very different from the Rather aftermath,
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albusteve Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:27:46pm |
re: #162 darthstar
Ooh...do tell! "throbbing memo" sounds down-right salacious.
ask Charles to post it...talk about a friggin bombshell...those were good times, people were asking who the fuck is Charles Johnson?...now they know, so watch your mouth because the big boys are here..and now Charles owns Breitbart, Spencer and JSM, Geller etc
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:27:53pm |
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Varek Raith Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:28:09pm |
re: #172 Aceofwhat?
it was a blinking image that flickered back and forth between MS Word and Rather's "document".
It was brilliant in its simplicity.
Throbbing Memo!!!
Image: aug1873-pdf-animate.gif
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:28:25pm |
re: #174 albusteve
ask Charles to post it...talk about a friggin bombshell...those were good times, people were asking who the fuck is Charles Johnson?...now they know, so watch your mouth because the big boys are here..and now Charles owns Breitbart, Spencer and JSM, Geller etc
back when i couldn't buy an open reg window to save my life...
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Killgore Trout Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:28:30pm |
From today's Freakazoid Nut Sandwich Power Hour.....
Beck's latest conspiracy theory links "this Sherrod thing" to administration plot to "take over the media"
Beck's wild rant: "What is wrong with us, America? Why are people not in the streets? Your republic is over"
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darthstar Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:28:33pm |
re: #172 Aceofwhat?
it was a blinking image that flickered back and forth between MS Word and Rather's "document".
It was brilliant in its simplicity.
Ah...I do remember that one...saw it linked somewhere (probably dKos) and clicked it.
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tradewind Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:28:39pm |
re: #172 Aceofwhat?
And I swear, looking at it could practically induce seizures. Definitely a headache.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:28:58pm |
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windsagio Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:29:07pm |
re: #173 tradewind
well sorta, Bush came out better for the rather thing too.
We can't switch positions here.
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deranged cat Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:29:21pm |
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tradewind Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:29:46pm |
re: #170 blueraven
OTOH, life for them without GM could have been so sweet.//
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:29:57pm |
re: #178 Killgore Trout
"people in the streets"? Mere de Dieu...
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Benghazzy Ben Ross Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:30:26pm |
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albusteve Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:30:36pm |
re: #164 SanFranciscoZionist
I recall the throbbing memo. Why do you ask?
because so many posters here seem stupefied at what Fox pulled with Breitbart in the shadows, as if it's their first experience with the MSM....the MSM will cut your throat in a heartbeat...it's not about news, it never was
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Varek Raith Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:30:40pm |
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darthstar Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:30:59pm |
Okay...software release is signed and going up to the customer portal. I'm taking tomorrow off...but I'll probably be online again tonight and of course come by for a good morning hello.
Play nice, everyone.
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Varek Raith Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:31:21pm |
re: #187 albusteve
because so many posters here seem stupefied at what Fox pulled with Breitbart in the shadows, as if it's their first experience with the MSM...the MSM will cut your throat in a heartbeat...it's not about news, it never was
CNN.
Operation Tailwind.
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prairiefire Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:31:25pm |
re: #145 Charles
Yes, the diary is cool, with a few somewhat snarky comments. I hope recently registered "leftyNYC" posts soon!
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tradewind Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:31:44pm |
re: #169 SanFranciscoZionist
I already tacked that proviso onto the end./
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Killgore Trout Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:31:57pm |
re: #188 Varek Raith
In this heat?
Yeah right!
The elderly white people would get sunburn if they put their lawnchairs in the streets.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:32:21pm |
re: #188 Varek Raith
In this heat?
Yeah right!
seeeriously. you should see me after a half-hour with the tennis ball machine...
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albusteve Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:32:32pm |
re: #177 Aceofwhat?
back when i couldn't buy an open reg window to save my life...
me neither...it's hard to describe what it was like missing a reg by a few minutes...months turned into years
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Benghazzy Ben Ross Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:32:39pm |
re: #178 Killgore Trout
From today's Freakazoid Nut Sandwich Power Hour...
Beck's latest conspiracy theory links "this Sherrod thing" to administration plot to "take over the media"
Beck's wild rant: "What is wrong with us, America? Why are people not in the streets? Your republic is over"
Did he just make a 1984 reference? The spokesboy for the Ministry of Truth?
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prairiefire Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:33:20pm |
re: #169 SanFranciscoZionist
I was shocked when Thurmond's daughter came out. I'm sure she was not conceived on an expensive dinner date.
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Targetpractice Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:34:35pm |
re: #178 Killgore Trout
From today's Freakazoid Nut Sandwich Power Hour...
Beck's latest conspiracy theory links "this Sherrod thing" to administration plot to "take over the media"
Beck's wild rant: "What is wrong with us, America? Why are people not in the streets? Your republic is over"
...is it too late to take back my ranting from earlier?
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darthstar Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:34:46pm |
Heh...parting image from a friend of mine who lives in Tennessee.
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Benghazzy Ben Ross Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:34:56pm |
Okay, this image if pure brilliance. Image: Howard_Beck_.jpg
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Varek Raith Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:35:30pm |
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Killgore Trout Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:35:34pm |
re: #197 JasonA
Did he just make a 1984 reference? The spokesboy for the Ministry of Truth?
Yeah. He also went biblical today...
Beck goes Old Testament about our "dangerous and scary time," invokes "the valley of the shadow of death"
It's also seems his rhetoric is taking an angrier tone these days.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:35:37pm |
re: #201 JasonA
Okay, this image if pure brilliance. Image: Howard_Beck_.jpg
huh. sorta underwhelming/
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blueraven Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:35:45pm |
re: #184 tradewind
OTOH, life for them without GM could have been so sweet.//
Right, as the parts houses laid off workers, slow down for manufacturing for all parts...oh nevermind.
Agenda recognized, point made. Reid is an idiot.
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Benghazzy Ben Ross Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:35:50pm |
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Varek Raith Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:36:24pm |
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Nimed Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:36:37pm |
re: #197 JasonA
Did he just make a 1984 reference? The spokesboy for the Ministry of Truth?
I don't remember that. It's been quite a while, though.
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:36:56pm |
re: #179 darthstar
Ah...I do remember that one...saw it linked somewhere (probably dKos) and clicked it.
I think that's how a lot of us first heard of LGF--rathergate; pretty sure that's how I first did.
I think the sinister lefty anti-lgf conspiracy theory is that Charles was paid to do it and it was all some sooper-seekrit deep undercover trick to make the left look bad by falling for it. Something like that. /
What's interesting is how many of the paranoid memes on the left under Bush reappear almost exactly in meta-form now on the right: IT'S A TRAP DESIGNED TO MAKE US LOOK BAD WHEN WE ACT LIKE JERKS!1! WE STILL WIN!1! etc.
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sagehen Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:36:58pm |
re: #55 albusteve
I could care less...what sort of shoes does he wear tho?
Really expensive ones.
His mother's Gloria Vanderbilt, and he's her only surviving offspring.
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Benghazzy Ben Ross Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:37:23pm |
re: #208 Nimed
I don't remember that. It's been quite a while, though.
He mentions "2+2=5" and Winston in the second clip KT linked.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:37:38pm |
re: #198 prairiefire
I was shocked when Thurmond's daughter came out. I'm sure she was not conceived on an expensive dinner date.
I wasn't especially surprised. Pleased she stepped forward.
There's a Kristin Lattany novel where one of the characters recalls her grandmother, who was a midwife in the deep South. She describes how her grandmother had a book of handwritten genealogical records--the real ones, not the official ones--for their whole community--written in code, her granddaughter remembers, in the parts where there were damaging secrets about white people.
Sex and race--explosive as hell in the U.S. Still is. Remember the judge who'd let himself off from doing interracial marriages?
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albusteve Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:38:06pm |
re: #195 Aceofwhat?
seeeriously. you should see me after a half-hour with the tennis ball machine...
ping pong counts, not tennis...tennis is for rich sissies where ping pong is for arrogant drunks...I'll kick your sissy ass on a pong table
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windsagio Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:39:03pm |
re: #210 iceweasel
There was a brief period where I kinda thought it was a plant (altho' I never had heard of Charles at the time, so I didn't htink he was involved). We all have our occasional lapses of madness tho ;)
I will say, on the other hand, the Rather scandal effectively pushed the Bush 'service' scandal off the map, permanently!
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prairiefire Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:39:19pm |
I hope the Claycomo Ford plant is saved. I think it has almost 4000 workers. It would suck big time to lose it.[Link: www.fox4kc.com...]
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windsagio Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:40:02pm |
re: #214 albusteve
Watched some championship Table Tennis yesterday after the staff meeting. China vs Singapore.
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albusteve Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:40:22pm |
re: #215 windsagio
There was a brief period where I kinda thought it was a plant (altho' I never had heard of Charles at the time, so I didn't htink he was involved). We all have our occasional lapses of madness tho ;)
I will say, on the other hand, the Rather scandal effectively pushed the Bush 'service' scandal off the map, permanently!
the 'scandal' was entirely in the minds of the libs...they really put on a show
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:40:33pm |
re: #217 windsagio
Watched some championship Table Tennis yesterday after the staff meeting. China vs Singapore.
I imagine that's quite a match-up.
Why are the Chinese so obsessed with table tennis?
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prairiefire Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:41:05pm |
re: #213 SanFranciscoZionist
Yes.
I'm pleased to say we are mixing up the races out here on the Prairie. Keeping the gene codes fresh.
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Nimed Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:41:15pm |
re: #212 JasonA
He mentions "2+2=5" and Winston in the second clip KT linked.
Ah, remember that hair-raising dialogue! I haven't seen the video yet -- thought the reference was in the title ("republic? what republic?"). :p
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Benghazzy Ben Ross Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:41:17pm |
re: #219 SanFranciscoZionist
I imagine that's quite a match-up.
Why are the Chinese so obsessed with table tennis?
No joke about this will come out right...
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albusteve Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:41:24pm |
re: #217 windsagio
Watched some championship Table Tennis yesterday after the staff meeting. China vs Singapore.
whoa...I can play my ass off ten feet from the table
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Varek Raith Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:41:30pm |
re: #219 SanFranciscoZionist
I imagine that's quite a match-up.
Why are the Chinese so obsessed with table tennis?
Wrong question.
Why aren't you obsessed with it?!?!
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:42:05pm |
re: #207 Varek Raith
Intriguing...
What'd I break???
:)
You broke a star last night when you took the Sun Crusher out for a spin. :D
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albusteve Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:43:28pm |
re: #219 SanFranciscoZionist
I imagine that's quite a match-up.
Why are the Chinese so obsessed with table tennis?
they are the worlds best...I'm obsessed with football, so?
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windsagio Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:43:30pm |
re: #219 SanFranciscoZionist
I imagine that's quite a match-up.
Why are the Chinese so obsessed with table tennis?
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:43:49pm |
re: #215 windsagio
There was a brief period where I kinda thought it was a plant (altho' I never had heard of Charles at the time, so I didn't htink he was involved). We all have our occasional lapses of madness tho ;)
I will say, on the other hand, the Rather scandal effectively pushed the Bush 'service' scandal off the map, permanently!
I was out of the country that summer and not yet following political blogs really. Wasn't til post 2004 that I was really getting into the netroots. From 2005 on I was definitely here though reading posts,not comments. Also iirc CJ was covering Kitzmiller v Dover, which I was at the time more heavily into-- the increasing spread of the intelligent design bullshit. Might have already run across LGF from that route as well.
The other thing about rather which has been mentioned here in the past is that no one has ever looked at how they got the documents in the first place or why they've never come clean about it. People other than rather were obv involved somewhere along the way.
For me that's the really interesting (and ongoing) part-- the metanarrative about the media.
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tradewind Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:43:54pm |
re: #205 blueraven
Well, so is his opponent. NV can't catch a break in either case.
It is a little one-sided, though, the coverage of Stupid Stuff Candidates Say. To get more than a mention, Teh Gaffe generally has to have been uttered by a republican woman. Then it's prime blog fodder for days.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:45:27pm |
re: #214 albusteve
ping pong counts, not tennis...tennis is for rich sissies where ping pong is for arrogant drunks...I'll kick your sissy ass on a pong table
dude i have so much topspin on my ping pong shots that all you'll hear is the hissing of the ball as it shoots past your ear...only pain will you find here...
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:45:29pm |
re: #225 Varek Raith
Wrong question.
Why aren't you obsessed with it?!?!
Because I'm a gweilo, and I don't have the proper understanding of the universe and its paddley components.
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Varek Raith Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:45:35pm |
re: #230 tradewind
Well, so is his opponent. NV can't catch a break in either case.
It is a little one-sided, though, the coverage of Stupid Stuff Candidates Say. To get more than a mention, Teh Gaffe generally has to have been uttered by a republican woman. Then it's prime blog fodder for days.
She fancies herself an "Anti-Fluoride Crusader".
Nuff said.
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windsagio Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:45:43pm |
re: #229 iceweasel
I feel that I shoudln't have this discussion :D
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Nimed Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:46:28pm |
re: #228 windsagio
Hungary is the 3rd best nation in the world at table tennis! Why??? I would have guessed Canada or Russia...
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Benghazzy Ben Ross Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:46:40pm |
re: #233 Varek Raith
She fancies herself an "Anti-Fluoride Crusader".
Nuff said.
If we don't protect our precious bodily fluids who will?
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albusteve Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:47:22pm |
re: #229 iceweasel
I was out of the country that summer and not yet following political blogs really. Wasn't til post 2004 that I was really getting into the netroots. From 2005 on I was definitely here though reading posts,not comments. Also iirc CJ was covering Kitzmiller v Dover, which I was at the time more heavily into-- the increasing spread of the intelligent design bullshit. Might have already run across LGF from that route as well.
The other thing about rather which has been mentioned here in the past is that no one has ever looked at how they got the documents in the first place or why they've never come clean about it. People other than rather were obv involved somewhere along the way.
For me that's the really interesting (and ongoing) part-- the metanarrative about the media.
the dumbass couldn't get a trial, his gig was so flimsy...that's where the fun part would have taken place, and some of your very reasonable questions answered...maybe he'll try again and they will give him one someday...when he's too old to go to jail
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:49:12pm |
re: #234 windsagio
I feel that I shoudln't have this discussion :D
There's so much new stuff to talk about I don't especially like rehashing Bush, Clinton, blahblah whoever forever anyway. Except when relevant, that is. The metanarratives about the media, etc-- there are common themes that pop up over and over again.
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prairiefire Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:49:41pm |
re: #232 SanFranciscoZionist
One of my Jewish friends almost made it to the Olympics with table tennis.
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Varek Raith Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:50:10pm |
re: #239 prairiefire
One of my Jewish friends almost made it to the Olympics with table tennis.
Nope.
Not gonna take the bait.
:)
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albusteve Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:50:50pm |
re: #231 Aceofwhat?
dude i have so much topspin on my ping pong shots that all you'll hear is the hissing of the ball as it shoots past your ear...only pain will you find here...
my defense is beyond description...if I get a point or two ahead, you might be headed to the ER, just on principle...my offense will burn the tape of the edge of the table...how are you side to side?....wear your Nikes, I'm ambo with a pong paddle
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:50:52pm |
re: #238 iceweasel
There's so much new stuff to talk about I don't especially like rehashing Bush, Clinton, blahblah whoever forever anyway. Except when relevant, that is. The metanarratives about the media, etc-- there are common themes that pop up over and over again.
What's a meta-narrative?
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:51:03pm |
re: #237 albusteve
the dumbass couldn't get a trial, his gig was so flimsy...that's where the fun part would have taken place, and some of your very reasonable questions answered...maybe he'll try again and they will give him one someday...when he's too old to go to jail
It's nice to know I can always count on you to misread and misunderstand my posts, Steve. Cheers.
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tradewind Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:51:09pm |
re: #211 sagehen
Cooper's account of his brother's suicide , interspersed with reflections on his reporting from awful events, is one of the most haunting narratives I can remember.
[Link: www.cnn.com...]
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Varek Raith Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:51:48pm |
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Digital Display Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:52:01pm |
re: #238 iceweasel
Hi you! How the packing going? 46 hours till i go to OK for awhile...At this point..I know I'm forgetting something.. I am just not sure what it is...
Hope you are well
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albusteve Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:52:40pm |
re: #243 iceweasel
It's nice to know I can always count on you to misread and misunderstand my posts, Steve. Cheers.
I didn't, just piggy backed onto your post...you made several good points
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windsagio Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:52:46pm |
re: #242 Dark_Falcon
The discussion about how things are discussed :D
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Varek Raith Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:53:43pm |
re: #248 windsagio
The discussion about how things are discussed :D
So, what's a discussion on the discussing about how things are discussed called?
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albusteve Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:54:38pm |
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:55:58pm |
re: #242 Dark_Falcon
What's a meta-narrative?
Well, the way I'm using it, it's like this: the layers above a specific narrative that combine and incorporate the specific ones.
Like this: todays narrative in some wingnutty quarters is that evil liberals somehow forced Breitbart et al to make fools of themselves. The meta narrative is that "when we act like jerks and get everything wrong, we're still always right!" and that appears in other manifestations too, like the specific narrative on the left that Rathergate was all a dirty trick to make them look bad.
In the case of the media, the other metanarrative might be, the way the drive to dominate the 24/7 cycle makes people go with bad stupid and sensational shit.
Sometimes it's useful to look at these general and meta attributes as a way of understanding, and predicting, how a new individual story will develop.
(Sorry if this is all over the place, im on the phone with my phone company fighting over international calling plans, etc.) PS HI!
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:56:29pm |
re: #247 albusteve
I didn't, just piggy backed onto your post...you made several good points
then my apologies for misreading you-- sorry dude, multitasking!
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:57:24pm |
re: #246 HoosierHoops
Hi you! How the packing going? 46 hours till i go to OK for awhile...At this point..I know I'm forgetting something.. I am just not sure what it is...
Hope you are well
hey handsome! i'll email you asap-- probably not til later-- good luck!!!
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Varek Raith Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:58:22pm |
re: #252 iceweasel
Well, the way I'm using it, it's like this: the layers above a specific narrative that combine and incorporate the specific ones.
Like this: todays narrative in some wingnutty quarters is that evil liberals somehow forced Breitbart et al to make fools of themselves. The meta narrative is that "when we act like jerks and get everything wrong, we're still always right!" and that appears in other manifestations too, like the specific narrative on the left that Rathergate was all a dirty trick to make them look bad.
In the case of the media, the other metanarrative might be, the way the drive to dominate the 24/7 cycle makes people go with bad stupid and sensational shit.
Sometimes it's useful to look at these general and meta attributes as a way of understanding, and predicting, how a new individual story will develop.
(Sorry if this is all over the place, im on the phone with my phone company fighting over international calling plans, etc.) PS HI!
Image: scratch-head02-idea-animated-animation-smiley-emoticon-000415-large.gif
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albusteve Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:58:36pm |
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:58:48pm |
re: #241 albusteve
my defense is beyond description...if I get a point or two ahead, you might be headed to the ER, just on principle...my offense will burn the tape of the edge of the table...how are you side to side?...wear your Nikes, I'm ambo with a pong paddle
i also play tennis...in other words, i AM side-to-side.
i like playing good defensive players. it prolongs their suffering.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:59:21pm |
re: #252 iceweasel
Well, the way I'm using it, it's like this: the layers above a specific narrative that combine and incorporate the specific ones.
Like this: todays narrative in some wingnutty quarters is that evil liberals somehow forced Breitbart et al to make fools of themselves. The meta narrative is that "when we act like jerks and get everything wrong, we're still always right!" and that appears in other manifestations too, like the specific narrative on the left that Rathergate was all a dirty trick to make them look bad.
In the case of the media, the other metanarrative might be, the way the drive to dominate the 24/7 cycle makes people go with bad stupid and sensational shit.
Sometimes it's useful to look at these general and meta attributes as a way of understanding, and predicting, how a new individual story will develop.
(Sorry if this is all over the place, im on the phone with my phone company fighting over international calling plans, etc.) PS HI!
Well, I can see both of those in play and the second, non-wingnut one is widely accepted these days. Thanks for the explanation, Ice. I've got to go now, but I'll be back a little later.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:59:28pm |
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Jul 22, 2010 5:00:23pm |
re: #249 Varek Raith
So, what's a discussion on the discussing about how things are discussed called?
"puff...puff...give"
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albusteve Thu, Jul 22, 2010 5:00:49pm |
re: #257 Aceofwhat?
i also play tennis...in other words, i AM side-to-side.
i like playing good defensive players. it prolongs their suffering.
eyeballs are a target you know...but my dead drop at the net is legendary...I should be on youtube, with a blurry face
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albusteve Thu, Jul 22, 2010 5:01:54pm |
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b_snark Thu, Jul 22, 2010 5:02:38pm |
re: #220 prairiefire
Yes.
I'm pleased to say we are mixing up the races out here on the Prairie. Keeping the gene codes fresh.
I've done my part.
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prairiefire Thu, Jul 22, 2010 5:02:43pm |
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albusteve Thu, Jul 22, 2010 5:03:17pm |
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Digital Display Thu, Jul 22, 2010 5:03:32pm |
re: #257 Aceofwhat?
i also play tennis...in other words, i AM side-to-side.
i like playing good defensive players. it prolongs their suffering.
I play ping pong..We always played it in school...
I'm a lefty with a backspin...It usually bothered Righties alot..
Ping pong rocks
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jul 22, 2010 5:03:39pm |
re: #256 albusteve
no problem
Thanks steve-- hope you're feeling well today and that the grandbaby is good! apologies again for that from me, thanks for being so nice about it.
I'm busy fighting with phone company people, bastards!1! /
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albusteve Thu, Jul 22, 2010 5:04:19pm |
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prairiefire Thu, Jul 22, 2010 5:04:24pm |
re: #264 b_sharp
I've done my part.
Sometimes my Japanese American husband is mistaken for Native American. My kids have large, hazel, almond shaped eyes and dark brunette hair with red streaks. I'm sure your kids are beautiful.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Jul 22, 2010 5:05:00pm |
re: #262 albusteve
you are a man of broad butt...immobile
6'
160lbs
i'm broad like a whip, baby, and so is my game...
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Varek Raith Thu, Jul 22, 2010 5:05:41pm |
re: #271 Aceofwhat?
6'
160lbs
i'm broad like a whip, baby, and so is my game...
PFFFT, you're a toothpick!
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Killgore Trout Thu, Jul 22, 2010 5:06:33pm |
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Jul 22, 2010 5:06:36pm |
re: #267 HoosierHoops
I play ping pong..We always played it in school...
I'm a lefty with a backspin...It usually bothered Righties alot..
Ping pong rocks
that's fantastic, i've only ever played one good lefty. it's a much different strategy...usually you're trying to maneuver to put your forehand against the other's backhand, like playing a lefty in tennis. very different, very fun.
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b_snark Thu, Jul 22, 2010 5:07:14pm |
re: #242 Dark_Falcon
What's a meta-narrative?
Narrative with a narrative within it. In other words, a narrative about a narrative. Narritive2
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albusteve Thu, Jul 22, 2010 5:07:18pm |
re: #268 iceweasel
Thanks steve-- hope you're feeling well today and that the grandbaby is good! apologies again for that from me, thanks for being so nice about it.
I'm busy fighting with phone company people, bastards!1! /
I did that yesterday for a couple of hours...simple stuff, no international bull shit and it still took a while for them to figure out their own policy...good luck....me and the little pirate are fine thanks
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Killgore Trout Thu, Jul 22, 2010 5:07:52pm |
This country is going to be in very serious trouble if the Republicans take power any time soon.
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albusteve Thu, Jul 22, 2010 5:08:09pm |
re: #267 HoosierHoops
I play ping pong..We always played it in school...
I'm a lefty with a backspin...It usually bothered Righties alot..
Ping pong rocks
it does...one hell of a game
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albusteve Thu, Jul 22, 2010 5:09:26pm |
re: #277 Killgore Trout
This country is going to be in very serious trouble if the Republicans take power any time soon.
lol!...wook owt!
it's coming, but what will it look like?
Palin/Paul 12!
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Jul 22, 2010 5:10:38pm |
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albusteve Thu, Jul 22, 2010 5:10:40pm |
re: #271 Aceofwhat?
6'
160lbs
i'm broad like a whip, baby, and so is my game...
but can you be humble?
gonna need it
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Varek Raith Thu, Jul 22, 2010 5:10:48pm |
re: #279 albusteve
lol!...wook owt!
it's coming, but what will it look like?
Palin/Paul 12!
Why does everyone care about 2012?
The prophecies clearly state that's when the world will end.
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albusteve Thu, Jul 22, 2010 5:11:41pm |
re: #282 Varek Raith
Why does everyone care about 2012?
The prophecies clearly state that's when the world will end.
that's when the faunts take the WH...ironic?
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Jul 22, 2010 5:11:51pm |
re: #281 albusteve
but can you be humble?
gonna need it
nope. i'm the AceofRedonkulus, creating teachable moments whereever i strike...
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prairiefire Thu, Jul 22, 2010 5:12:38pm |
re: #277 Killgore Trout
This country is going to be in very serious trouble if the Republicans take power any time soon.
That means the Dems have to fight, tooth and nail, Kilgore. When my mom is in town, I'm going to upload her photos from Obama's Carnahan fundraiser and change my avatar to the million dollar smile.
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Targetpractice Thu, Jul 22, 2010 5:12:39pm |
re: #282 Varek Raith
Why does everyone care about 2012?
The prophecies clearly state that's when the world will end.
Hey man, didn't you see the movie? We all gotta get to Tibet!
/
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albusteve Thu, Jul 22, 2010 5:13:05pm |
re: #284 Aceofwhat?
nope. i'm the AceofRedonkulus, creating teachable moments whereever i strike...
"wherever I strike out!"
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Shiplord Kirel Thu, Jul 22, 2010 5:13:51pm |
re: #277 Killgore Trout
This country is going to be in very serious trouble if the Republicans take power any time soon.
Yikes! January is soon. Rand Paul is ahead in Kentucky and the plainly unloved Harry Reid is barely ahead of the drooling nutcase Angle in Nevada. We could easily end up with both Paul and Angle in the senate just five months from now.
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b_snark Thu, Jul 22, 2010 5:13:57pm |
re: #270 prairiefire
Sometimes my Japanese American husband is mistaken for Native American. My kids have large, hazel, almond shaped eyes and dark brunette hair with red streaks. I'm sure your kids are beautiful.
My son is a little too good looking for his own good. I can't wait for him and his Japanese wife to have a baby. My daughter is the only aboriginal I've seen with naturally curly brunette hair with red streaks (I have a lot of Scot in my family).
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tradewind Thu, Jul 22, 2010 5:14:07pm |
re: #277 Killgore Trout
!!eleventy!!
It's called divided government, and it's a time honored traditional fave of the American electorate, one which they inevitably re-embrace after dipping their toes into the fetid water of one-party rule.
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Digital Display Thu, Jul 22, 2010 5:14:24pm |
re: #280 Aceofwhat?
yeah but i'm a fast toothpick/
And good people Ace.. I weighted 160 lbs in High School and ran a 10 flat for a hundred yards as a senior.. It helps as a point to be fast...Speed Kills
Period
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albusteve Thu, Jul 22, 2010 5:14:27pm |
re: #285 prairiefire
That means the Dems have to fight, tooth and nail, Kilgore. When my mom is in town, I'm going to upload her photos from Obama's Carnahan fundraiser and change my avatar to the million dollar smile.
I'll bet the prospect of one and done makes you shiver...behold the GOP!
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Nimed Thu, Jul 22, 2010 5:14:48pm |
re: #273 Killgore Trout
Bachmann lays out the Republican agenda...
[Video]
Subpoena, defund, starve and repeal!
Jesus, that woman is a lunatic.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Jul 22, 2010 5:15:03pm |
re: #287 albusteve
"wherever I strike out!"
i may not be able to teach old Steve new tricks, but your learning is not a prerequisite to the poetry of my motion.
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b_snark Thu, Jul 22, 2010 5:15:08pm |
re: #271 Aceofwhat?
6'
160lbs
i'm broad like a whip, baby, and so is my game...
160lbs? I could break you in half without breaking a sweat.
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Nimed Thu, Jul 22, 2010 5:15:49pm |
re: #281 albusteve
but can you be humble?
gonna need it
You're better at the pre-game talk, I'll give you that.
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albusteve Thu, Jul 22, 2010 5:16:03pm |
re: #288 Shiplord Kirel
Yikes! January is soon. Rand Paul is ahead in Kentucky and the plainly unloved Harry Reid is barely ahead of the drooling nutcase Angle in Nevada. We could easily end up with both Paul and Angle in the senate just five months from now.
been saying that all along...the TP is for real
yikes! is an understatement
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Decatur Deb Thu, Jul 22, 2010 5:16:18pm |
re: #249 Varek Raith
So, what's a discussion on the discussing about how things are discussed called?
Philosophy of Language 302.
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Varek Raith Thu, Jul 22, 2010 5:16:30pm |
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Jul 22, 2010 5:17:28pm |
re: #291 HoosierHoops
And good people Ace.. I weighted 160 lbs in High School and ran a 10 flat for a hundred yards as a senior.. It helps as a point to be fast...Speed Kills
Period
woah. you were faster than me. i'm more quick than fast...on the tennis team in college i could pull a 4.4 forty, but i don't have the strides to keep it up over a hundred. that's why tennis is perfect for me...short bursts of acceleration and a duelist mentality...
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Ben G. Hazi Thu, Jul 22, 2010 5:17:36pm |
re: #203 Killgore Trout
Yeah. He also went biblical today...
Beck goes Old Testament about our "dangerous and scary time," invokes "the valley of the shadow of death"
It's also seems his rhetoric is taking an angrier tone these days.
Beck's gonna have a Howard Beale moment one of these days, I fear.
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albusteve Thu, Jul 22, 2010 5:18:11pm |
re: #291 HoosierHoops
And good people Ace.. I weighted 160 lbs in High School and ran a 10 flat for a hundred yards as a senior.. It helps as a point to be fast...Speed Kills
Period
not far from a world record!
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Jul 22, 2010 5:18:23pm |
re: #295 b_sharp
160lbs? I could break you in half without breaking a sweat.
first you have to catch me...
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Varek Raith Thu, Jul 22, 2010 5:18:49pm |
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albusteve Thu, Jul 22, 2010 5:19:45pm |
re: #294 Aceofwhat?
i may not be able to teach old Steve new tricks, but your learning is not a prerequisite to the poetry of my motion.
mesmerize me into submission then....Marix Pong
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Mich-again Thu, Jul 22, 2010 5:19:52pm |
re: #267 HoosierHoops
hmm. Plays ping pong, accomplished sprinter... I bet you met President Johnson and Nixon and operated a shrimp boat too.
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Varek Raith Thu, Jul 22, 2010 5:20:31pm |
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albusteve Thu, Jul 22, 2010 5:20:41pm |
re: #296 Nimed
You're better at the pre-game talk, I'll give you that.
you mean we have to actually play?
ouch!
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Digital Display Thu, Jul 22, 2010 5:20:48pm |
re: #302 albusteve
not far from a world record!
Silly..10 flat in a hundred Yards.. Not Meters...LOL
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Decatur Deb Thu, Jul 22, 2010 5:21:53pm |
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Varek Raith Thu, Jul 22, 2010 5:22:12pm |
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Nimed Thu, Jul 22, 2010 5:22:37pm |
re: #277 Killgore Trout
This country is going to be in very serious trouble if the Republicans take power any time soon.
But, I'll bet you that, if the Republicans take the House, none of that will come to pass -- because what she proposed is not just harmful -- it's also extremely unpopular.
Jonathan Chait is one of my favorite bloggers on political analysis. He is a moderate Democrat, and one who rarely engages in wishful thinking. He has been explaining for a while why most of the stuff Bachmann said in the clip are fantasies.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Jul 22, 2010 5:23:27pm |
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Varek Raith Thu, Jul 22, 2010 5:23:27pm |
re: #313 b_sharp
That's what a Taser is for...
Think bigger.
Something with a stun radius of 30 meters...
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prairiefire Thu, Jul 22, 2010 5:23:44pm |
re: #289 b_sharp
My son is a little too good looking for his own good. I can't wait for him and his Japanese wife to have a baby. My daughter is the only aboriginal I've seen with naturally curly brunette hair with red streaks (I have a lot of Scot in my family).
Yep, I'm English, Scottish, Swedish...don't get me started, SFZ American genealogy rule.
My boy is going to absolutely knock them dead.
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albusteve Thu, Jul 22, 2010 5:24:15pm |
re: #310 Decatur Deb
Liston was always good at the weigh-in.
Liston was a tomato can...the punch that knocked him out was 6 inches long
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albusteve Thu, Jul 22, 2010 5:25:00pm |
re: #315 Varek Raith
Think bigger.
Something with a stun radius of 30 meters...
40mm taser round, yup
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Digital Display Thu, Jul 22, 2010 5:25:01pm |
re: #306 Mich-again
hmm. Plays ping pong, accomplished sprinter... I bet you met President Johnson and Nixon and operated a shrimp boat too.
You are killing me...I repeat 10flat/100 yards..Not meters...It's not fast enough to scare anybody in California in High School...
I should have just shut up before I get compared to Gump...
LOL
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Varek Raith Thu, Jul 22, 2010 5:25:49pm |
re: #319 HoosierHoops
You are killing me...I repeat 10flat/100 yards..Not meters...It's not fast enough to scare anybody in California in High School...
I should have just shut up before I get compared to Gump...
LOL
But, you ran into it!
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albusteve Thu, Jul 22, 2010 5:26:13pm |
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Jul 22, 2010 5:26:59pm |
alrighty, my grilled bbq chicken is ready. good smack talk, all-
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Varek Raith Thu, Jul 22, 2010 5:29:30pm |
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Digital Display Thu, Jul 22, 2010 5:30:14pm |
re: #311 Varek Raith
100 yards = 91.44 meters
OMG...You are telling me I'm wrong by your math..I love ya man..I know just a little..I played point in College..I know a little about sprints also..
109.36 yards equal 100 meters..
Numbers don't lie my friend (unless you are a Gov't worker)
109.36 yards in 100 meters
100 cm/m
100cm x 100m = 10000cm
2.54 cm/ inch
10000cm/2.54= 3937 inches
36 inches / yard
3937 / 36 = 109.36
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prairiefire Thu, Jul 22, 2010 5:30:37pm |
re: #312 Nimed
But, I'll bet you that, if the Republicans take the House, none of that will come to pass -- because what she proposed is not just harmful -- it's also extremely unpopular.
Jonathan Chait is one of my favorite bloggers on political analysis. He is a moderate Democrat, and one who rarely engages in wishful thinking. He has been explaining for a while why most of the stuff Bachmann said in the clip are fantasies.
Favourited for when I feel faint of heart.
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b_snark Thu, Jul 22, 2010 5:30:57pm |
re: #316 prairiefire
Yep, I'm English, Scottish, Swedish...don't get me started, SFZ American genealogy rule.
My boy is going to absolutely knock them dead.
Hazel, almond shaped eyes? Next you'll be telling me he has long lashes.
If my son and daughter-in-law give me a granddaughter to spoil I know who I'm keeping her away from.
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Decatur Deb Thu, Jul 22, 2010 5:31:06pm |
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prairiefire Thu, Jul 22, 2010 5:31:19pm |
re: #327 b_sharp
Hazel, almond shaped eyes? Next you'll be telling me he has long lashes.
If my son and daughter-in-law give me a granddaughter to spoil I know who I'm keeping her away from.
He does!!!
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Shiplord Kirel Thu, Jul 22, 2010 5:34:46pm |
re: #302 albusteve
not far from a world record!
10 flat for a hundred YARDS would be a full second or slightly more behind a world-class sprinter. It doesn't sound like much but it would mean being 30-35 feet behind at the finish, an enormous amount if you're watching the race unfold. It's a very short race.
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Digital Display Thu, Jul 22, 2010 5:36:44pm |
re: #330 Shiplord Kirel
10 flat for a hundred YARDS would be a full second or slightly more behind a world-class sprinter. It doesn't sound like much but it would mean being 30-35 feet behind at the finish, an enormous amount if you're watching the race unfold. It's a very short race.
Thanks..It was my best time in High School..Not some kind of world record..Do you guys see me on Gatorade commercials?
LOL
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goddamnedfrank Thu, Jul 22, 2010 5:37:00pm |
re: #315 Varek Raith
Think bigger.
Something with a stun radius of 30 meters...
Normal Vogon poetry is effective out to thirty nautical miles, thirty light years if you broadcast through a babble fish hooked up to a telepathic hynotoad.
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Racer X Thu, Jul 22, 2010 5:37:09pm |
*Racer X stumbles in, falls on floor, gets up and plops down on a bar stool*
What's shakin' Lizards?
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prairiefire Thu, Jul 22, 2010 5:37:34pm |
re: #327 b_sharp
It's alright. He's already told me he doesn't want to be a Democrat, and he doesn't what to get married.
I said "well, at least be an Independent," and he can be a hot shot career, bachelor guy.
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Digital Display Thu, Jul 22, 2010 5:38:42pm |
re: #333 Racer X
*Racer X stumbles in, falls on floor, gets up and plops down on a bar stool*
What's shakin' Lizards?
I just got done putting out the Stay of the Concrete signs..
What up with you Racer?
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albusteve Thu, Jul 22, 2010 5:39:06pm |
re: #328 Decatur Deb
Such a system is in proof-of-concept:
[Link: t3.gstatic.com...]
I had a vid stashed at one time that showed people farting with an infrared camera...it was hysterical, these large black clouds of gas
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albusteve Thu, Jul 22, 2010 5:40:11pm |
re: #330 Shiplord Kirel
10 flat for a hundred YARDS would be a full second or slightly more behind a world-class sprinter. It doesn't sound like much but it would mean being 30-35 feet behind at the finish, an enormous amount if you're watching the race unfold. It's a very short race.
I have...and 10 flat is blazing fast for highschool
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albusteve Thu, Jul 22, 2010 5:40:56pm |
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Racer X Thu, Jul 22, 2010 5:41:15pm |
re: #335 HoosierHoops
Hiya Hoops!
Been workin my ass off lately. Tryin to stimulate the economy and such.
Stay off the concrete?
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Digital Display Thu, Jul 22, 2010 5:43:33pm |
re: #340 Racer X
Hiya Hoops!
Been workin my ass off lately. Tryin to stimulate the economy and such.
Stay off the concrete?
Hi you! Those signs keep people on the grass...*wink*
Hope you are well
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Racer X Thu, Jul 22, 2010 5:45:53pm |
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RadicalModerate Thu, Jul 22, 2010 5:47:04pm |
A free bit of advice to the serial hate-monger Fred Phelps:
It isn't a good idea to picket at a geek-fest like San Diego Comic-Con, because they can be VERY creative in their counter-protests. Apologies for the pic, it's kinda big.
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Digital Display Thu, Jul 22, 2010 5:47:07pm |
re: #338 albusteve
I have...and 10 flat is blazing fast for highschool
I hear it will get you a free ride to play ball in College.
/
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albusteve Thu, Jul 22, 2010 5:47:24pm |
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Stonemason Thu, Jul 22, 2010 5:48:38pm |
re: #99 SanFranciscoZionist
John Murtha calling Marines murderers?
Some left wing smear artist calling a decorated general "betrayus"
TANG memos?
you asked for examples, those are three without research. Can I find an accusation of racism that did not stick made by the left wing media with research? sure I can, but not worth the time.
The telling bit is that most (not all) on the left forget completely that when they are out of power this stuff goes on all the time. I know, it's worse now, but only because it is now, not because it never happened before.
This is not to argue for relativity, this is only in answer to the statement that the left doesn't smear like this. Yes, they do, and BOTH SIDES ARE WRONG.
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b_snark Thu, Jul 22, 2010 5:49:42pm |
re: #343 RadicalModerate
A free bit of advice to the serial hate-monger Fred Phelps:
It isn't a good idea to picket at a geek-fest like San Diego Comic-Con, because they can be VERY creative in their counter-protests. Apologies for the pic, it's kinda big.
ROTFLMAO
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albusteve Thu, Jul 22, 2010 5:52:37pm |
re: #344 HoosierHoops
I hear it will get you a free ride to play ball in College.
/
one of the best plays in BB is when the point guard takes the ball up the court really fast, the D is not set, drive into the lane, bounce pass and DUNK!...yeah
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Ayeless in Ghazi Thu, Jul 22, 2010 5:58:46pm |
Evening all :)
For Breitbart and all the other demented lying wingnut fucks out there tonight in cesspit land:
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Decatur Deb Thu, Jul 22, 2010 6:03:55pm |
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Daniel Ballard Thu, Jul 22, 2010 6:06:44pm |
re: #126 reine.de.tout
Ah. I have more faith in people than that.
However: If that is indeed what people respond to, then our politicians better start learning the ropes and make some really good infomercials. Seriously.
OOOH! Just wait until "Satire Soiree" gets hold of candidate infomercials. That could really be fun.
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Digital Display Thu, Jul 22, 2010 6:17:03pm |
re: #350 albusteve
one of the best plays in BB is when the point guard takes the ball up the court really fast, the D is not set, drive into the lane, bounce pass and DUNK!...yeah
I sat on many benches...The only way anybody would take me after JUCO was speed and passing...Which is kind of my game.. Pass to the wing or the inside Forward or Center...
I raised 3 sons and 2 girls.. All of them are good athletes..except for Nikki..She only knows shopping Malls..
When the boys were little we would play ball and I was so tough on them
Sent them crying to mama when they tried to drive the lane...
What the hell are you doing?
He tried to drive on me!
Stop it daddy!
Don't drive the lane!
HeHeHe! which is a lot of fun when not one of them can out shoot me cause they play videogames and I shot a thousand shots a day..
That worked out just fine until my boys grew up...
Once my oldest boy got about 6'4 250lbs of pure muscle and wanted to play the old man Ball I knew I was in trouble...He wanted to drive and remind me how much I laughed at him..Gosh..That is Love between father and son..Just playing..
And how many pictures of Jordan Have I posted here? A bad ass Marine.. You try playing that kid on the court..There is no mercy..I giggle thinking about the times I sent him crying into the house to mom and me running behind him.. I'm sorry (laughing)
I sent Sharm a Pict a year or so ago of Jordan barechested in boxing gloves with a bloody nose in the garage...Do you really want to play ball against him? Terrorist don't scare Marines..And neither does pops on the court.. I take my shots..I love my kids
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theheat Thu, Jul 22, 2010 6:52:21pm |
re: #178 Killgore Trout
One of the comments sums up the typical play-by-play of a Beck show:
He usually saves that for toward the end, after he's first spent most of the show urging people to get really, really angry, get their guns, buy gold, and head for the streets or Washington or the hills.Then he gets all weepy and talks a little about Gandhi and Martin Luther King, and how he'd like everybody to pray for him because of all the dangerous people he is facing so courageously, standing out on the point by himself, risking it all.
Officially and for the record, I can't stand Glenn Beck. He's a rancid human being. It's one thing to be nuts, it's another thing to fan the flames of hate and discontent, day after day, based on half or no truths.
I don't know anyone who watches him that isn't shit fucking nuts; he feeds their inner crazy. Glenn Beck is chumwater for their souls.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jul 22, 2010 6:57:45pm |
re: #346 Stonemason
John Murtha calling Marines murderers?
Some left wing smear artist calling a decorated general "betrayus"
TANG memos?you asked for examples, those are three without research. Can I find an accusation of racism that did not stick made by the left wing media with research? sure I can, but not worth the time.
The telling bit is that most (not all) on the left forget completely that when they are out of power this stuff goes on all the time. I know, it's worse now, but only because it is now, not because it never happened before.
This is not to argue for relativity, this is only in answer to the statement that the left doesn't smear like this. Yes, they do, and BOTH SIDES ARE WRONG.
I never said, and in fact clarified above, that I'm not saying the left does not smear. If that's what you got from what I'm saying, please reread.
Your examples have NOTHING to do with what I'm talking about.
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CarleeCork Thu, Jul 22, 2010 9:29:08pm |
re: #68 Romantic Heretic
Much as I loathe Fox, I agree with this. Freedom of speech applies even to douchebags.
So I can yell "fire" in a crowded theater?
How about "hijack" on an airplane?
Protecting our democracy should be more important than deception.
FAUX NOISE and company are killing this country.
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Amory Blaine Thu, Jul 22, 2010 10:10:18pm |
re: #346 Stonemason
John Murtha calling Marines murderers?
Some left wing smear artist calling a decorated general "betrayus"
TANG memos?you asked for examples, those are three without research. Can I find an accusation of racism that did not stick made by the left wing media with research? sure I can, but not worth the time.
The telling bit is that most (not all) on the left forget completely that when they are out of power this stuff goes on all the time. I know, it's worse now, but only because it is now, not because it never happened before.
This is not to argue for relativity, this is only in answer to the statement that the left doesn't smear like this. Yes, they do, and BOTH SIDES ARE WRONG.
It's the hyperbole surrounding the politics on both sides. When even sewer budgets and playground maintenance become epic battles of good and evil.
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palomino Thu, Jul 22, 2010 10:17:20pm |
re: #214 albusteve
ping pong counts, not tennis...tennis is for rich sissies where ping pong is for arrogant drunks...I'll kick your sissy ass on a pong table
I dare you to say that to Jimmy Connors or John McEnroe's face. I'm guessing you wouldn't have many teeth left.
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Mike DeGuzman Fri, Jul 23, 2010 5:36:56am |
This whole episode looks really bad for the administration. When it was first reported, USDA called Ms Sherrod to pulled over her car and blackberry her resignation immediately because she will be on Glenn Beck that evening. Both the USDA and the White House was so quick in throwing her under the bus. They didn't even bother to investigate or ask her side of the story. In the end, both the USDA and the White House apologized and regretted their actions. I believe she will not accept the new position at the USDA because this will be a multi-million dollar lawsuit against the government for not giving her due process according to the law.
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Fozzie Bear Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:41:52am |
Near the top of this thread the idea is floated, or rather repeated, that I had said that the WH should revoke the press pass of Fox to the WH briefiing room. Some people misunderstood, conflating a press pass with an FCC license.
I wasn't talking about shutting Fox down. I was talking about not giving them a national platform. Cut them out of the process. Kick Fox from the WH press corps.
People responded that this smacks of censorship. Bullshit. Stormfront doesn't get a seat in the press corps, and neither should any other inherently racist tabloid. Fox could easily report on what questions other people are asking, and make shit up as they have been since their inception. They are going to anyway.
Fox is not a news organization. It is the propaganda arm of the right wing, and it needs to be treated as such.
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Mike DeGuzman Fri, Jul 23, 2010 12:36:36pm |
re: #361 Fozzie Bear
Near the top of this thread the idea is floated, or rather repeated, that I had said that the WH should revoke the press pass of Fox to the WH briefiing room. Some people misunderstood, conflating a press pass with an FCC license.
I wasn't talking about shutting Fox down. I was talking about not giving them a national platform. Cut them out of the process. Kick Fox from the WH press corps.
People responded that this smacks of censorship. Bullshit. Stormfront doesn't get a seat in the press corps, and neither should any other inherently racist tabloid. Fox could easily report on what questions other people are asking, and make shit up as they have been since their inception. They are going to anyway.
Fox is not a news organization. It is the propaganda arm of the right wing, and it needs to be treated as such.
It's no difference with MSNBC (Rachel Maddow, Keith Olbermann). You've got the Washington Post and the Washington Times, one liberal and the other conservative. You've got Rupert Murdoch and George Soros trying to influence the media with their wealth. Freedom of speech is what is all about in America.
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Fozzie Bear Fri, Jul 23, 2010 2:49:18pm |
re: #362 Mike DeGuzman
It's no difference with MSNBC (Rachel Maddow, Keith Olbermann). You've got the Washington Post and the Washington Times, one liberal and the other conservative. You've got Rupert Murdoch and George Soros trying to influence the media with their wealth. Freedom of speech is what is all about in America.
There is a HUGE difference, and frankly, to suggest otherwise is absurd. I'm not going to provide you with the mountains of available evidence on this issue, because frankly, if you can't see it, it's because you don't want to and refuse to.
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Mike DeGuzman Sun, Jul 25, 2010 5:14:40am |
re: #363 Fozzie Bear
There is a HUGE difference, and frankly, to suggest otherwise is absurd. I'm not going to provide you with the mountains of available evidence on this issue, because frankly, if you can't see it, it's because you don't want to and refuse to.
It seem that you can't see it either. Both sides are equally baised.
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