1 Mocking Jay  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 2:48:28pm

"Molly Lucky Not To Have Been Found First By Ravenous Rick Sanchez."

LMAO

2 Irenicum  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 2:50:25pm

Hysterical!

3 Sheila Broflovski  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 2:51:04pm

Poor kid!

/

4 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 2:51:52pm

re: #1 JasonA

"Molly Lucky Not To Have Been Found First By Ravenous Rick Sanchez."

LMAO

Or, God forfend, Geraldo.

Molly: "Yes, we're coming to you live from my home at this very moment, when the ex-terminators are about to breach the seekrit door that separates my family from the silverfish spotted on this very site inside an innocent-looking bathroom just 18 hours ago. Everybody is holding their breath...and here we go!"

5 Mocking Jay  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 2:53:58pm

re: #4 Cato the Elder

Or, God forfend, Geraldo.

Molly: "Yes, we're coming to you live from my home at this very moment, when the ex-terminators are about to breach the seekrit door that separates my family from the silverfish spotted on this very site inside an innocent-looking bathroom just 18 hours ago. Everybody is holding their breath...and here we go!"

I was just a kid when Geraldo did his "Al Capone's Vault" stunt. I believed in him. I believed...

6 Kragar  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 2:54:29pm

re: #5 JasonA

I was just a kid when Geraldo did his "Al Capone's Vault" stunt. I believed in him. I believed...

Yeah, I remember watching that POS too.

7 Irenicum  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 2:54:31pm

Just think what monster she would have turned into if she had been raised by...


GLENN BECK!!!

8 Irenicum  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 2:55:38pm

re: #7 Irenicum

Of course she would likewise suffer from Nazi Tourrettes.

9 Mocking Jay  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 2:56:22pm

re: #7 Irenicum

Just think what monster she would have turned into if she had been raised by...

GLENN BECK!!!

She could be rescuing innocent Americans from Obama's seekrit assassination squads as we speak...

10 albusteve  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 2:56:35pm

re: #6 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Yeah, I remember watching that POS too.

about when the wormed turned for TV....been all downhill since...an upper level moron and people drooled over his ridiculous shows...remember when someone broke his nose?

11 wrenchwench  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 2:57:57pm

The Onion has the greatest child actors.

I hope they're actors.

13 Varek Raith  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 2:58:41pm

re: #10 albusteve

about when the wormed turned for TV...been all downhill since...an upper level moron and people drooled over his ridiculous shows...remember when someone broke his nose?

14 windsagio  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 3:00:14pm

re: #10 albusteve

Everything's gone to hell, sure, but since the Mid-80s?

That's a pretty low bar >>

15 albusteve  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 3:00:42pm

re: #12 JasonA

Wow...

BP Hires Prison Labor to Clean Up Spill While Coastal Residents Struggle

heh...wouldn't you?....the feds left BP to their own cleanup devices, and this is what we get....you didn't really think BP was on our side did you?

16 Nimed  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 3:01:20pm

Sorry to OT so soon, but here's a vid of a real story that competes with an Onion clip:

'DARTH VADER' ROBS BANK ON LONG ISLAND
[Link: www.redlasso.com...]

17 Mardukhai  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 3:01:21pm

On what show did Wolf Blitzer suddenly appear after a guest demonstrated wolf howls?

18 albusteve  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 3:01:48pm

re: #13 Varek Raith

[Video]

fraud

19 Mocking Jay  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 3:02:03pm

re: #15 albusteve

heh...wouldn't you?...the feds left BP to their own cleanup devices, and this is what we get...you didn't really think BP was on our side did you?

Sorry. I get yelled at when I point out the eebil korperashuns. It's something of a lose-lose.

20 Varek Raith  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 3:02:40pm

re: #18 albusteve

fraud

Who?
Me?
The vid?
Geraldo?
:P

21 Kragar  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 3:04:47pm

re: #20 Varek Raith

Who?
Me?
The vid?
Geraldo?
:P

yes

22 Kragar  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 3:08:47pm

And now, since its friday, one of the coolest fight sequences done in modern film.

23 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 3:11:17pm

Remember when Geraldo started drawing maps in the sand of his location when he was embedded in Iraq? He was on the next plane home.

I would have just shot him in the face on the spot, but then, that's why I'm not a soldier.

24 albusteve  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 3:12:34pm

re: #22 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

And now, since its friday, one of the coolest fight sequences done in modern film.


[Video]

apparently you have never seen "Enter the Hamster"....pffft

25 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 3:12:59pm

re: #3 Alouette

Poor kid!

/

Well, she was fed lattes and Altoids.

26 albusteve  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 3:13:08pm

re: #23 Fozzie Bear

Remember when Geraldo started drawing maps in the sand of his location when he was embedded in Iraq? He was on the next plane home.

I would have just shot him in the face on the spot, but then, that's why I'm not a soldier.

yikes...that's harsh

27 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 3:13:17pm

re: #5 JasonA

I was just a kid when Geraldo did his "Al Capone's Vault" stunt. I believed in him. I believed...

Me too.

28 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 3:13:31pm

The Poet Begs Forgiveness, Just Before the End

My ditties came to my while show'ring
or ans'ring nature's call.
Please, reader, do excuse the glow'ring.
'Twas not meant ill, at all.

The Muse, that strumpet, did seduce me,
while still an untried blade.
I tried to make her hands reduce me
all without chance's shade.

A succubus, once given place,
will always come again.
E'en now I cry in Heaven's face:
Let me my sins amend.

'Tis no avail. My lot is cast
among the poets lowly.
Think kindly on me, ye who pass
along the alleys. Blow me!

29 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 3:14:36pm

I love the part where he soothes her with the lint roller.

30 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 3:15:02pm

re: #26 albusteve

yikes...that's harsh

Well, he was giving away the location of American troops, in the middle of an operation, on a news station which the Iraqis are (and were) known to watch.

As I said, that's why I'm not a soldier.

31 Casual Talker  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 3:15:12pm

This message is for Iceweasel in hopes that she is reading.

Thank you for the links you may or may not remember posting for me on some of the analysis of the DOJ vs. Arizona case on immigration a couple of weeks ago. I found them helpful.

It looks like proceedings are underway.

Here's some reportage from WAPO: [Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

Right now Judge Bolton is pushing back on the whole pre-emption issue, but it's early yet.

Thanks again, Iceweasel.

32 Kragar  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 3:19:11pm

re: #24 albusteve

apparently you have never seen "Enter the Hamster"...pffft

Well, then there was the Landlords versus the Beast

33 researchok  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 3:19:58pm

re: #27 SanFranciscoZionist

Me too.

Sound like there was a cult of Geraldo.

34 Mardukhai  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 3:20:43pm

What would she be like if she were adopted by Carl Sagan...

35 researchok  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 3:21:23pm

re: #34 Mardukhai

What would she be like if she were adopted by Carl Sagan...

She's have billions and billions pairs of shoes.

36 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 3:21:58pm

There's a lot of end-of-thread sniping by wingnuts this evening.

37 Daniel Ballard  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 3:22:17pm

Oh man this is one of their best, maybe the best in a year or so...

38 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 3:22:25pm

re: #28 Cato the Elder

PIMF: "...came to me..."

39 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 3:25:38pm

I'm getting my 2000, 115K mile car smog checked right now - pray for me!

40 webevintage  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 3:26:08pm

How did I miss the story of Bell, CA today?
[Link: www.sfgate.com...]


The number defies logic. Yet there it is, in the LA Times, for all the world to see: 787,637. That's the annual salary for Robert Rizzo. He's not a lawyer or a corporate exec. According to a the Times, he's the city administrator for Bell, one of the poorest towns in Los Angeles County (map).

Rizzo isn't the only one with a big fat paycheck. Two other Bell employees are pulling in astronomical incomes. Assistant City Manager Angela Spaccia makes $376,288 and Police Chief Randy Adams makes $457,000.

That is just staggering....

41 albusteve  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 3:26:11pm

re: #32 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Well, then there was the Landlords versus the Beast


[Video]

I'm into John Wayne and the Three Stooges...American violence

42 albusteve  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 3:26:58pm

re: #40 webevintage

How did I miss the story of Bell, CA today?
[Link: www.sfgate.com...]

That is just staggering...

been in the news for a week...retired with no encouragement?

43 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 3:27:24pm

re: #39 Stanley Sea

I'm getting my 2000, 115K mile car smog checked right now - pray for me!

My 1995 Golf was at 180K miles, always passed smog, we're rooting for you! :D

(I assume it's not throwing a check engine light)

44 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 3:27:40pm

re: #36 Fozzie Bear

There's a lot of end-of-thread sniping by wingnuts this evening.

there shit sure is

45 albusteve  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 3:27:42pm

re: #39 Stanley Sea

I'm getting my 2000, 115K mile car smog checked right now - pray for me!

you post from the smog store?...that's something

46 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 3:27:56pm

re: #33 researchok

Sound like there was a cult of Geraldo.

Not really, it was just a big TV thing, and I was a bit too young to realize he was totally making shit up.

47 McSpiff  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 3:28:21pm

re: #45 albusteve

you post from the smog store?...that's something

Welcome to the Internet Anywhere generation.

48 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 3:28:50pm

re: #33 researchok

Sound like there was a cult of Geraldo.

Everyone my age or so was abuzz about the Al Capone's Vault thing in school. No cult, it was just a big media buzz event

49 albusteve  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 3:29:11pm

re: #44 WindUpBird

there shit sure is

end of thread sniping is a colorful tradition here at LGF....don't be alarmed

50 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 3:29:36pm

re: #49 albusteve

end of thread sniping is a colorful tradition here at LGF...don't be alarmed

Oh I know it :D

it seems to come in waves

51 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 3:29:37pm

re: #45 albusteve

you post from the smog store?...that's something

Ha, yep but the iPhone is SLOW

52 albusteve  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 3:30:18pm

re: #47 McSpiff

Welcome to the Internet Anywhere generation.

and I'm stuck at albucentral at Ft Willow...some people have all the fun

53 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 3:30:19pm

re: #51 Stanley Sea

Ha, yep but the iPhone is SLOW

there's always a netbook with WiMax if you're a hypergeek :D

54 McSpiff  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 3:30:22pm

re: #51 Stanley Sea

Ha, yep but the iPhone is SLOW

Trick Reine taught me is to make sure you fully let the page load first.

55 albusteve  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 3:30:44pm

re: #50 WindUpBird

Oh I know it :D

it seems to come in waves

need a lint roller?

56 McSpiff  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 3:30:59pm

re: #53 WindUpBird

there's always a netbook with WiMax if you're a hypergeek :D

Silly Americans.. CDMA, Wimax...who needs standards?

57 Daniel Ballard  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 3:34:41pm

I got some good news at work today. Getting paid to blog! I think. I run these blogger dot com blogs for my work. So easy even I could put them up. About as easy as posting here. Anyway it looks like a bit of help from the site host we can fold the external blogs into the existing web site.

Now I'll get paid to learn to use wordpress, since that is what the host want to import from easily. Wordpress look powerful enough to do almost anything, this time I have to learn some basic coding in html.

58 Sheila Broflovski  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 3:35:42pm

re: #57 Rightwingconspirator

I got some good news at work today. Getting paid to blog! I think. I run these blogger dot com blogs for my work. So easy even I could put them up. About as easy as posting here. Anyway it looks like a bit of help from the site host we can fold the external blogs into the existing web site.

Now I'll get paid to learn to use wordpress, since that is what the host want to import from easily. Wordpress look powerful enough to do almost anything, this time I have to learn some basic coding in html.

Where do you work? Can I send my resume?

59 albusteve  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 3:36:17pm

re: #57 Rightwingconspirator

I got some good news at work today. Getting paid to blog! I think. I run these blogger dot com blogs for my work. So easy even I could put them up. About as easy as posting here. Anyway it looks like a bit of help from the site host we can fold the external blogs into the existing web site.

Now I'll get paid to learn to use wordpress, since that is what the host want to import from easily. Wordpress look powerful enough to do almost anything, this time I have to learn some basic coding in html.

tell the truth...you are working in a cyber laundromat

60 windsagio  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 3:36:21pm

re: #51 Stanley Sea

Tried it once when I was in vegas (droid, not an iphone but still), and again after our host made the mobile device changes.

Still not really worth doing at this point >>

61 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 3:37:58pm

Here comes the verdict....

62 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 3:38:53pm

Passed!

63 Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 3:39:09pm

Excuse me while I cry, But evidently the chorus for impeachment has started in earnest now.

I'm sure it's been whispered for a while against Obama, but now Fox news is Pimping Tancrado's call for Obama's Impeachment.

And lest we forget Michele Bachmann (R - Mars) and what she thinks the Republicans should do if they regain control of congress: "I think that all we should do is issue subpoenas and have one hearing after another. And expose all the nonsense that is going on."

The Crazies are starting to be emboldened...

64 McSpiff  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 3:39:58pm

re: #51 Stanley Sea

Ha, yep but the iPhone is SLOW

If you're lucky enough to not have AT&T... iPhone used as a modem for a laptop works pretty amazing. I get the same speeds as my DSL connection at home, with slightly higher pings.

65 windsagio  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 3:40:01pm

re: #62 Stanley Sea

Passed!

Hoorah!

66 windsagio  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 3:40:26pm

re: #64 McSpiff

problem is the phones memory and processing power, not the connection.

67 Daniel Ballard  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 3:40:33pm

re: #58 Alouette

Where do you work? Can I send my resume?

Hah! No fair, you already know this stuff. Way back when I made the company web site in FrontPage. Then we hired this guy to make a far better version of the page, albeit with some ugly ideas about background from the boss. Then I was off the hook for maintaining the blog, and I no longer had software to edit it. So I used blogger for external stuff I could change and add to as needed.

Now our web guy is gone and I have to step up. No budget anymore for web guy. Just me on straight time during the day. Looks like I'll be fully running several sites and blogs as part of the day job. Whew! Job security I guess.

68 albusteve  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 3:40:41pm

re: #63 bloodstar

Excuse me while I cry, But evidently the chorus for impeachment has started in earnest now.

I'm sure it's been whispered for a while against Obama, but now Fox news is Pimping Tancrado's call for Obama's Impeachment.

And lest we forget Michele Bachmann (R - Mars) and what she thinks the Republicans should do if they regain control of congress: "I think that all we should do is issue subpoenas and have one hearing after another. And expose all the nonsense that is going on."

The Crazies are starting to be emboldened...

doubt it...MB is even crazier than BO...she'd have to play from behind, but she's got no mojo

69 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 3:41:26pm

A 6.9-magnitude earthquake struck the Philippines' Moro Gulf, the U.S. Geological Survey says.
cnn

70 McSpiff  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 3:41:30pm

re: #66 windsagio

problem is the phones memory and processing power, not the connection.

I got the 3GS, so its slightly better, but I agree. Anything serious like LGF I do with the laptop.

71 albusteve  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 3:42:27pm

re: #66 windsagio

problem is the phones memory and processing power, not the connection.

and those teeny little Stones vids...unacceptable

72 windsagio  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 3:42:35pm

re: #70 McSpiff

Small threads work okay (I think the one I have is about as powerful as a 3gs), but yeah the 400+ post monsters are a problem >>

73 windsagio  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 3:42:56pm

re: #71 albusteve

crappy speakers too, totally ruins music!

74 Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 3:43:03pm

re: #69 Killgore Trout

A 6.9-magnitude earthquake struck the Philippines' Moro Gulf, the U.S. Geological Survey says.
cnn


USGS is reporting 7.3 now

75 McSpiff  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 3:43:36pm

re: #71 albusteve

and those teeny little Stones vids...unacceptable

Its pretty damn cool that I can have the entire discography with me, and even "flip through" the records on a cell phone. Can't beat the vinyl though.

76 albusteve  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 3:43:40pm

re: #69 Killgore Trout

A 6.9-magnitude earthquake struck the Philippines' Moro Gulf, the U.S. Geological Survey says.
cnn

the Plates are getting pissy...all year they have been party pooping around the Circle of Fire...is there a point?

77 Daniel Ballard  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 3:46:18pm

re: #73 windsagio

crappy speakers too, totally ruins music!

The thing I just do not get is why everyone is so excited about video so small. Ear buds take care of music if you get good ones or Bose- But sure it's 16:9, but if it fits in my pocket, that's no wide screen!No wider than my hand anyway. I just have no interest in more than the web or music. Movies, TV shows kinda suck that small. HD? Sorry I forgot my microscope. I had the same impression when I first flew Jet Blue with those little screen on the back of seats.

78 windsagio  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 3:47:33pm

re: #77 Rightwingconspirator

SHINY NEW TECHNOLOGY!


The only way I use the streaming video is for youtubing songs I don't actually have on my phone for one reason or another.

Otherwise its yeah, 'look what we can do with this!'

79 albusteve  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 3:48:22pm

re: #75 McSpiff

Its pretty damn cool that I can have the entire discography with me, and even "flip through" the records on a cell phone. Can't beat the vinyl though.

didn't see my boy for a year, then we met up....I was grumbling about not having any Stones CDs with me in the car, so he flips me this small piece of plastic and ear buds....what's this?....he says all the Stones music is on there, just plug it in and listen to whatever I want...all?....yeah, all their stuff...yeah okay

80 Daniel Ballard  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 3:50:55pm
the Plates are getting pissy...all year they have been party pooping around the Circle of Fire...is there a point?

We in Los Angeles nervously watch that pattern of earthquakes that started in Mexicali and worked it's way north. The latest was well north of Temecula. San Andreas could be next or next century. But still... We try to prepare.

81 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 3:51:32pm

re: #76 albusteve

the Plates are getting pissy...all year they have been party pooping around the Circle of Fire...is there a point?

Climate Change.

82 Daniel Ballard  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 3:51:44pm

Back to work, wordpress is at hand...

83 albusteve  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 3:52:07pm

"I didn't start out to be a caveman, I just turned out that way"
albusteve

84 McSpiff  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 3:52:21pm

re: #79 albusteve

didn't see my boy for a year, then we met up...I was grumbling about not having any Stones CDs with me in the car, so he flips me this small piece of plastic and ear buds...what's this?...he says all the Stones music is on there, just plug it in and listen to whatever I want...all?...yeah, all their stuff...yeah okay

Ain't technology grand? "Aftermath? UK or US release?"

85 albusteve  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 3:57:30pm

re: #84 McSpiff

Ain't technology grand? "Aftermath? UK or US release?"

ahhh...the first full blown Stones record, as for release I don't know, but 'Under My Thumb" was the song the Stones were playing when the stabbing death occurred at Altamont....not "Sympathy For The Devil" as is commonly thought...UMT was released on "Aftermath"

86 albusteve  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 3:59:51pm

the notorius "Under My Thumb"

87 McSpiff  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 4:00:11pm

re: #85 albusteve

ahhh...the first full blown Stones record, as for release I don't know, but 'Under My Thumb" was the song the Stones were playing when the stabbing death occurred at Altamont...not "Sympathy For The Devil" as is commonly thought...UMT was released on "Aftermath"

Still might be my favorite. UMT., Paint it black, Mother's little helper... Just awesome. I have a print of the Altamont promotional poster on my wall... I'm legit, I swear!

88 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 4:01:11pm

I never thought I'd live to see the day when outright racists have the say on national teevee.

Pam Geller? Just fine with the media.

Ditto Breitbart.

I remember when I was young and the Freedom Marches were going on. We had an old black-and-white teevee, and my parents let me watch the news. The only time we had a family blackout was during the Cuban Missile Crisis, when everyone was expecting imminent doom, and my folks tried to protect us. But me and my brother knew exactly what was happening anyway.

So, Freedom Marches. I asked my mother what that was all about, and she told me. And, according to her (I was six years old at the time), my question was, "So, mommy, why aren't you there with them?" The next march came around, and she was there.

In 1968, when I was twelve, my parents went out for dinner and left us with a babysitter. That was when we heard the news of the murder of MLK.

This was before the day when people kept their radios on 24/7, and well before the time when people had cellphones for instant updates. My parents came home and asked how things were, and I told them the news.

It's the only time I remember ever seeing my dad break down and cry.

The next day, Baltimore was in flames, and nothing would ever be the same.

And now some upjumped little shittard named Breitbart comes along and wants to teach me to hate the NAACP?

Let me not, O Lord, die of puking on his shoes.

89 Mocking Jay  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 4:04:23pm

re: #88 Cato the Elder

Your parents sound like really cool people.

90 albusteve  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 4:05:11pm

re: #87 McSpiff

Still might be my favorite. UMT., Paint it black, Mother's little helper... Just awesome. I have a print of the Altamont promotional poster on my wall... I'm legit, I swear!

that was the breakthrough record for those guys, kids actually...pulled away from their blues roots, into the rock/pop realm....$$$$...but they never forgot their blues roots....ever, and to this day they can still play some mean ass blues

91 RadicalModerate  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 4:06:49pm

re: #63 bloodstar

This was supposedly going to be a talking point for Fox and others on the far right this week, before the Brietbart article blew up in their faces.

I posted a link in the Monday overnight thread about the Lincoln Reagan dinner, and the speech that former Gen. Paul E. Vallely gave demanding that Obama and "identifiable members of Congress" resign, and forgo the constitution and have immediate elections.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

92 Ericus58  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 4:07:08pm

Why I am Not a Vegetarian

by David Oliveira

It's not that I love animals less,
a case could be made I love them more—
and it's not that I love vegetables less,
I love them rare,
nothing more savory than raw celery
clawing and kicking its way down the gullet.

What I find hard to stomach is vegetarians.
If there is a vegetarian at the table, we all
get called in to be witnesses at a police lineup.
Cheese, eggs, fish,
each suspect paraded for identification—
pronounced innocent, guilty,
please take two steps forward.

And it's not like there is just one canon
for the good hose to worry about.
Each vegetarian comes with a different menu.
Most won't eat anything that had legs,
though many eat fish, a fin nothing like a leg,
And eat shrimp, that have legs
which count as fins since they come from the sea
and taste so good in a Newburg sauce.
Oysters are problematic, without legs and from the sea,
but mostly eaten alive, like carrots.
A few pass on eggs because of the latent leg potential,
though pasta is usually okay,
the potential hard to realize under the marinara.

One friend doesn't drink milk
but asks for extra au jus
for his mashed potatoes. I haven't the heart
to explain what kind of vegetable the "au" is
or how many get squeezed to make a cup of "jus."

Don't misunderstand,
I admire those who stand on principle,
however vague, who doesn't admire
the resolve of, say, a Jerry Falwell,
to bear the weight of so much conviction
he can hardly walk to church.
Praise the Lord for limousines.
As my mother would say,
"Live and let live—
Just keep the details to yourself,
And pass the ketchup, please."

93 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 4:11:53pm

re: #89 JasonA

Your parents sound like really cool people.

Much cooler than I am. And my dad can still beat me at chess.

94 b_sharp  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 4:12:10pm

re: #76 albusteve

the Plates are getting pissy...all year they have been party pooping around the Circle of Fire...is there a point?

They hate Glenn Beck.

95 albusteve  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 4:13:19pm

re: #88 Cato the Elder

1968 was a bad year politically and socially...having not lived through it, it is hard to describe to people....this recent stuff is petty in comparison, jus sayin

96 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 4:14:45pm

re: #92 Ericus58

When we Vealans take over,
the Vegans will gladly eat chicken.

97 McSpiff  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 4:15:21pm

re: #95 albusteve

1968 was a bad year politically and socially...having not lived through it, it is hard to describe to people...this recent stuff is petty in comparison, jus sayin

Seems like there was a stretch of a few years... For the canucks... [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

98 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 4:16:44pm

re: #95 albusteve

1968 was a bad year politically and socially...having not lived through it, it is hard to describe to people...this recent stuff is petty in comparison, jus sayin

But, my dear Steve, the recent stuff has the potential to turn into something much, much worse.

Latent rage from racists bottled up since 1964 = explosive worse than a barge full of C4.

And we're watching in real time.

99 b_sharp  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 4:17:46pm

re: #97 McSpiff

Seems like there was a stretch of a few years... For the canucks... [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

That's when I first noticed Trudeau and came to respect him.

100 blueraven  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 4:18:41pm

re: #91 RadicalModerate

Good grief! What a bunch of ignorance. They want to defend the constitution by destroying it. Idiots!

101 albusteve  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 4:19:10pm

1968
Bobby Kennedy gunned down in LA...
MLK killed in Memphis...
the VN war raging to a standstill, while the bodies piled up...
people just getting over the race riots of 67 that tore the country apart...
the Stones "Street Fightin Man" blaring over all the radios...
finally the Chicago riots during the Dem gig...
all hell broke loose that year

102 McSpiff  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 4:20:33pm

re: #99 b_sharp

That's when I first noticed Trudeau and came to respect him.

"How far will you go?"... "Just watch me."

That's a bad ass line. Looking back 40 years later, I think it was the perfect attitude. But I have uncles named after Trudeau, so I might just be biased.

103 albusteve  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 4:20:39pm

re: #98 Cato the Elder

But, my dear Steve, the recent stuff has the potential to turn into something much, much worse.

Latent rage from racists bottled up since 1964 = explosive worse than a barge full of C4.

And we're watching in real time.

yes, I wondering myself, hunkered down here...looks bad from where I'm at, but have my fingers crossed

104 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 4:20:50pm

re: #101 albusteve

1968
Bobby Kennedy gunned down in LA...
MLK killed in Memphis...
the VN war raging to a standstill, while the bodies piled up...
people just getting over the race riots of 67 that tore the country apart...
the Stones "Street Fightin Man" blaring over all the radios...
finally the Chicago riots during the Dem gig...
all hell broke loose that year

And all hell seems mild today, in the face of what the wingnuts are trying to start. No?

105 b_sharp  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 4:24:27pm

re: #102 McSpiff

"How far will you go?"... "Just watch me."

That's a bad ass line. Looking back 40 years later, I think it was the perfect attitude. But I have uncles named after Trudeau, so I might just be biased.

I live in S'katch'wan among piles of farmers. Those same farmers he gave the finger to. I'm considered an oddball here.

106 albusteve  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 4:24:35pm

re: #104 Cato the Elder

And all hell seems mild today, in the face of what the wingnuts are trying to start. No?

can't say amigo...the potential is there, and I've been yelling for over a year it will get worse...how much worse, I have no clue...there must be a thousand assassins out there...if it comes unglued, head for NM bro

107 Ericus58  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 4:29:16pm

Alright Cyclists!

THE 2010 FSA GRAND PRIX at the Marymoor Velodrome is today!

[Link: www.fsagrandprix.com...]

And they have a Beer garden by New Belgium Beer and Patterson Cellars!!

108 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 4:29:49pm

re: #106 albusteve

can't say amigo...the potential is there, and I've been yelling for over a year it will get worse...how much worse, I have no clue...there must be a thousand assassins out there...if it comes unglued, head for NM bro

I may well head to NM well before that. For the big sky.

109 albusteve  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 4:35:09pm

re: #108 Cato the Elder

I may well head to NM well before that. For the big sky.

plenty of sky for you...I was up in the mountains a day ago, gods and prophets abound...you don't live in NM, NM lives in you

110 RadicalModerate  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 4:40:55pm

re: #98 Cato the Elder

But, my dear Steve, the recent stuff has the potential to turn into something much, much worse.

Latent rage from racists bottled up since 1964 = explosive worse than a barge full of C4.

And we're watching in real time.

Agreed. There is an EXTREMELY nasty undercurrent in play here. Consider that membership in white supremacist groups are at their highest levels in over twenty years (and I'm not referring to the Tea Party movement here - which DOES have racists in some of its leadership positions - but actual swastika-wearing neo-Nazi and Klan groups). Also, racists are not only openly spewing their hatred, but are getting positive airtime by groups like FoxNews, the right wing blogosphere and talk shows, invited to participate in places like CPAC, and have a hand in writing immigration legislation. Racially-motivated hitpieces like the Brietbart article not only aren't universally denounced, but actually congratulated by some.

The only thing that hasn't happened is an event that would serve to light a match to the powderkeg.

111 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 4:41:18pm

re: #107 Ericus58

Alright Cyclists!

THE 2010 FSA GRAND PRIX at the Marymoor Velodrome is today!

[Link: www.fsagrandprix.com...]

And they have a Beer garden by New Belgium Beer and Patterson Cellars!!

I like that New Belgium, they make a pretty decent trippel for the price, also the Biere Du Mars is rad

112 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 4:41:52pm

re: #98 Cato the Elder

But, my dear Steve, the recent stuff has the potential to turn into something much, much worse.

Latent rage from racists bottled up since 1964 = explosive worse than a barge full of C4.

And we're watching in real time.

and a shitty economy is perfect kindling

113 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 4:44:30pm

re: #77 Rightwingconspirator

The thing I just do not get is why everyone is so excited about video so small. Ear buds take care of music if you get good ones or Bose- But sure it's 16:9, but if it fits in my pocket, that's no wide screen!No wider than my hand anyway. I just have no interest in more than the web or music. Movies, TV shows kinda suck that small. HD? Sorry I forgot my microscope. I had the same impression when I first flew Jet Blue with those little screen on the back of seats.

I'd probably just pick up a cheap DVD-video player if I wanted to watch movies in flight, but I'd rather just get a netbook and play classic PC games instead :D

114 Mocking Jay  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 4:48:29pm

re: #112 WindUpBird

and a shitty economy is perfect kindling

I can't wait for us to have El Ammo Bandito vending machines on every corner...

115 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 4:49:28pm

re: #114 JasonA

I can't wait for us to have El Ammo Bandito vending machines on every corner...

Ammo is rather plentiful where I live.

116 albusteve  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 4:50:35pm

re: #112 WindUpBird

and a shitty economy is perfect kindling

bring it on if that's the way they want it...when push comes to shove, I'll be shoving til I'm done for...I'm the next Davy Crockett

117 Ericus58  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 4:50:39pm

re: #111 WindUpBird

I like that New Belgium, they make a pretty decent trippel for the price, also the Biere Du Mars is rad

Now that New Belgium is some quality H2......... BEER!
I agree, they have a fine line-up.

118 albusteve  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 4:54:43pm

re: #114 JasonA

I can't wait for us to have El Ammo Bandito vending machines on every corner...

good idea, I hope it catches on

119 Ericus58  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 4:55:52pm

re: #116 albusteve

bring it on if that's the way they want it...when push comes to shove, I'll be shoving til I'm done for...I'm the next Davy Crockett

Still got yer coonskin hat?

120 albusteve  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 4:57:12pm

re: #119 Ericus58

[Video]Still got yer coonskin hat?

kevlar kap

121 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 4:58:50pm

re: #117 Ericus58

Now that New Belgium is some quality H2... BEER!
I agree, they have a fine line-up.

also digging Flying Dog, as colorado beers go, I like their insane heavy double pales and barley wines

122 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 4:59:57pm

What the shittards on the right want to keep ultra, ultra seekrit is the plain fact that in America, like in every other country, it's never really been about race so much as it's been about class.

Yes, class, the ultra, ultra forbidden word.

If poor whites and blacks and Asians and Hispanics once forgot about their grudges, and took a good, hard look at one another, and another good, hard look at the ones who keep them down, the enemy would be toast.

And who is the enemy?

John Kerry, for one. And every member of Skull and Bones, living or dead. And Justice Thomas. And that famous advocate of poor people, John Edwards. And Rupert Murdoch, may his head rest on a pike. And Glenn Beck. And Andrew "Soul Patch" Breitbart. And Michelle Malkin. And Ann "Orexia" Coulter. And everybody who has ever shaken hands with Robert Spender or Pam "Harpeia ululans americana" Geller. Feel free to add to the list.

I know I'm breaking a Great American Taboo by even raising the issue of class.

Expect a mocking poem soon.

123 prairiefire  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 5:00:20pm

re: #115 Walter L. Newton

Ammo is rather plentiful where I live.

Hey, Walter how are you? Has the heat calmed down in your area? It's very hot here.[Link: weather.yahoo.com...]

124 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 5:01:50pm

I'm still kinda laid up with minor injuries so I watched Blood Simple this afternoon. I probably hadn't seen it since the mid 80's and didn't really remember anything about it. What a brilliant movie, still holds up very well today.

125 Ericus58  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 5:02:41pm

re: #124 Killgore Trout

I'm still kinda laid up with minor injuries so I watched Blood Simple this afternoon. I probably hadn't seen it since the mid 80's and didn't really remember anything about it. What a brilliant movie, still holds up very well today.

What the heck did you do, ya crazy man?
I hadn't heard you were injured.... sorry.

126 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 5:02:47pm

Ron Paul Wants to Crush your Fuzzies
/I'm pretty proud of myself on that one.

127 windsagio  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 5:02:50pm

re: #122 Cato the Elder

You should read Gore Vidal on class (if you haven't) scathing and excellent, like most of his work.

128 prairiefire  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 5:03:01pm

re: #122 Cato the Elder

I'm firmly planted in the middle class.

129 Ericus58  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 5:05:05pm

re: #126 Killgore Trout

Ron Paul Wants to Crush your Fuzzies
/I'm pretty proud of myself on that one.

dude, that photo of the cat is awesome... and Ron sure mimics the expression!

130 albusteve  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 5:05:30pm

pop apocolyptiare: #128 prairiefire

I'm firmly planted in the middle class.

I went from upper middle class, to low class, to no class in a heartbeat...one event can wipe you out

131 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 5:05:35pm

re: #126 Killgore Trout

ahahahah the expressions, you rule :D

132 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 5:06:04pm

re: #125 Ericus58

What the heck did you do, ya crazy man?
I hadn't heard you were injured... sorry.

Heh, not exactly a harrowing tale of extreme awesomeness. We had a stretch of really bad weather from spring until mid July without enough decent days for weeding and gardening. When the weather finally broke I did a couple marathon days of yardwork and strained muscles in my back and abdomen. Hurt like hell but I don't think I have a hernia. I should be back in business in a few days.

133 Mocking Jay  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 5:06:08pm

re: #118 albusteve

good idea, I hope it catches on

This is what it sounds like:

134 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 5:06:35pm

Today I learned that I can speak into my phone and it will turn my words into a text message. It works very well.

Dang...

135 Daniel Ballard  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 5:06:53pm

re: #126 Killgore Trout

Ron Paul Wants to Crush your Fuzzies
/I'm pretty proud of myself on that one.

You should be. I left you a note there...

136 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 5:06:56pm

re: #128 prairiefire

I'm firmly planted in the middle class.

Heh. You say that now.

Wait till you lose your job.

137 Ericus58  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 5:09:00pm

re: #132 Killgore Trout

Heh, not exactly a harrowing tale of extreme awesomeness. We had a stretch of really bad weather from spring until mid July without enough decent days for weeding and gardening. When the weather finally broke I did a couple marathon days of yardwork and strained muscles in my back and abdomen. Hurt like hell but I don't think I have a hernia. I should be back in business in a few days.

whew!
Ah, the get-it-done-while-I-have-good-weather pain. Well, take care.

at first I thought the tadpoles/frogs/toads had ganged up on ya......

138 prairiefire  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 5:09:02pm

re: #136 Cato the Elder

I'm not one to be overconfident, but I stay home with the kids and my husband is in IT. So far, so good.
Perhaps if I can get going on my NYTimes list novel, things would improve./

139 Daniel Ballard  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 5:11:19pm

Heh. Drudge has a huge headline typo
NKOREA WARS OF NUKE RESPONSE TO NAVAL EXERCISES

Ummm PIMF WARNS OF...

140 Ericus58  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 5:13:48pm

re: #139 Rightwingconspirator

Heh. Drudge has a huge headline typo
NKOREA WARS OF NUKE RESPONSE TO NAVAL EXERCISES

Ummm PIMF WARNS OF...

Bloomberg reports:

"North Korea said it would counter U.S. and South Korean joint naval exercises with “nuclear deterrence” after the Obama administration said the government in Pyongyang shouldn’t take any provocative steps.

North Korea will “legitimately counter with their powerful nuclear deterrence the largest-ever nuclear war exercises to be staged by the U.S. and the South Korean puppet forces,” the National Defense Commission said, according to the Korean Central News Agency."

141 Ericus58  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 5:14:57pm

Man... that could put a damper on Comic-Con.....

142 albusteve  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 5:15:23pm

re: #140 Ericus58

Bloomberg reports:

"North Korea said it would counter U.S. and South Korean joint naval exercises with “nuclear deterrence” after the Obama administration said the government in Pyongyang shouldn’t take any provocative steps.

North Korea will “legitimately counter with their powerful nuclear deterrence the largest-ever nuclear war exercises to be staged by the U.S. and the South Korean puppet forces,” the National Defense Commission said, according to the Korean Central News Agency."

maybe NK lighting up a nuke would be best for everyone..get it over with

143 Sheila Broflovski  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 5:15:36pm

re: #138 prairiefire

I'm not one to be overconfident, but I stay home with the kids and my husband is in IT. So far, so good.
Perhaps if I can get going on my NYTimes list novel, things would improve./

I used to be in IT (unemployed) and my husband was a teacher (retired).

I wrote a novel about 10 years ago but had no success finding a publisher. Maybe I should write another one.

In the meantime, buy Zionist merchandise! I recommend the Ahava "Lotus & Chestnut" botanic body wash.

144 prairiefire  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 5:16:05pm

Clyburn teases Biden, calling him "clean and articulate":[Link: politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...]

145 Ericus58  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 5:17:32pm

Celebrate Comic-Con while we can!!!!

HOT CHICKS at Comic-Con!

146 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 5:17:48pm

re: #137 Ericus58

whew!
Ah, the get-it-done-while-I-have-good-weather pain. Well, take care.

at first I thought the tadpoles/frogs/toads had ganged up on ya...

Heh. Pretty much all the Tads have grown up. They hang around the sheltered area for a few days then disperse into the pond or the garden. I thought they'd all grown up by now and went to remove the bird netting to discover I still have a few runts yet to mature. They're very tiny and almost impossible to find. I won't know if I have enough survivors until next spring. Now I just have to wait.

147 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 5:18:08pm

re: #136 Cato the Elder

Heh. You say that now.

Wait till you lose your job.

This is why I have three jobs at any given time, used to have four, but the fourth was getting in the way of the other three

148 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 5:18:34pm

re: #139 Rightwingconspirator

Fixed already. .

149 albusteve  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 5:19:15pm

re: #144 prairiefire

Clyburn teases Biden, calling him "clean and articulate":[Link: politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...]

heh..proof what goes round, comes round...Biden is as dense as a brick, and toss in our illustrious Sec State...they both trashed BO good before they went to work for him....LOL!....cover your ass?....haha! what a bunch of losers

150 Sheila Broflovski  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 5:19:32pm

OK, must get ready for Shabbat. See you all tomorrow night!

151 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 5:20:46pm

re: #138 prairiefire

I'm not one to be overconfident, but I stay home with the kids and my husband is in IT. So far, so good.
Perhaps if I can get going on my NYTimes list novel, things would improve./

And perhaps if you married a billionaire for money instead of a zero (in the eyes of the ruling class) for love, you'd have a better shot at never ending up on the street.

Just sayin'.

152 albusteve  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 5:20:52pm

re: #149 albusteve

heh..proof what goes round, comes round...Biden is as dense as a brick, and toss in our illustrious Sec State...they both trashed BO good before they went to work for him...LOL!...cover your ass?...haha! what a bunch of losers

and now either Biden or Hil are more popular than BO!....hahaha!...what a world

153 prairiefire  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 5:20:58pm

re: #143 Alouette

My daughter likes the AHVA products that I ordered quite a bit. I will check to see what she needs for the next time.

154 bratwurst  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 5:21:18pm

Ann Coulter is defending Breitbart on CNN...she is towing the "he was set up!" line.

155 Ericus58  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 5:21:33pm

I guess I should say sorry for that video....
the guy is a dork....
but the way some of the gals handle him was worth it

156 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 5:21:42pm

re: #145 Ericus58

countered with Mana

157 albusteve  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 5:22:05pm

re: #154 bratwurst

Ann Coulter is defending Breitbart on CNN...she is towing the "he was set up!" line.

that was yesterday....thread!
who gives a shit?

158 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 5:22:07pm

It's sad to see the wingnuts blogs are still piling on Sharrod. The woman has been through a lot in her life and it's sad to see her still targeted by bigots in today's America. I would not be surprised if she decides to not take to job offer and retire quietly. She shouldn't have to put up with this at her age after all she's been through. I hope she does what makes her happiest.

159 prairiefire  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 5:23:31pm

re: #151 Cato the Elder

Ya pays your money and ya takes your chances.

I think marrying for money would be very boring.

160 wrenchwench  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 5:23:55pm

re: #126 Killgore Trout

Ron Paul Wants to Crush your Fuzzies
/I'm pretty proud of myself on that one.

I looked at the pictures, which I enjoyed. I can't even read headlines on that subject without ruining the rest of my day.

161 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 5:24:41pm

re: #154 bratwurst

Ann Coulter is defending Breitbart on CNN...she is towing the "he was set up!" line.

Well then, he needs to name his source.

To late asshole.

Read this post by Shiplord Kirel - Shirley Sherrod meets up with the Spooners after 24 years.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

162 albusteve  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 5:25:02pm

re: #158 Killgore Trout

It's sad to see the wingnuts blogs are still piling on Sharrod. The woman has been through a lot in her life and it's sad to see her still targeted by bigots in today's America. I would not be surprised if she decides to not take to job offer and retire quietly. She shouldn't have to put up with this at her age after all she's been through. I hope she does what makes her happiest.

nice lady...too bad the GOP doesn't press the economy, or Afghanistan...I don't even really care anymore who's in office...this sort of attention to a cut and dried story speaks volumes about the blogs, the fringes and GOP leadership

163 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 5:25:28pm

re: #159 prairiefire

Ya pays your money and ya takes your chances.

I think marrying for money would be very boring.

John Effen Kerry would disagree, but he's an asshole.

164 Nimed  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 5:25:50pm

re: #154 bratwurst

Ann Coulter is defending Breitbart on CNN...she is towing the "he was set up!" line.

9_9 What the fuck is she even doing on CNN?

165 albusteve  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 5:26:40pm

re: #163 Cato the Elder

John Effen Kerry would disagree, but he's an asshole.

you're jealous...you don't have a blue water boat

166 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 5:27:28pm

re: #164 Nimed

9_9 What the fuck is she even doing on CNN?

The same thing pro wrestlers are doing on USA

167 albusteve  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 5:27:39pm

re: #164 Nimed

9_9 What the fuck is she even doing on CNN?

making money...it's a living

168 engineer cat  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 5:27:43pm

gut shabbos!

re sherrod - the wingnuts must continue to try to rework their fiasco to get it to come out the way they want it. to recognize what happened for what it was would be an unacceptable concession to reality, which, as always, has a lamentable left wing bias

169 wrenchwench  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 5:28:17pm

re: #122 Cato the Elder

That's exactly what Shirley Sherrod was saying, IMHO.

170 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 5:31:04pm

re: #127 windsagio

You should read Gore Vidal on class (if you haven't) scathing and excellent, like most of his work.

I was reading Gore Vidal when you were still running around in short pants.

But, just to show you I have no hard feelings, please provide a link.

171 albusteve  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 5:32:22pm

re: #170 Cato the Elder

I was reading Gore Vidal when you were still running around in short pants.

But, just to show you I have no hard feelings, please provide a link.

heh

172 Ericus58  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 5:34:51pm

re: #170 Cato the Elder

I was reading Gore Vidal when you were still running around in short pants.

But, just to show you I have no hard feelings, please provide a link.

psst...... he's in long pants now
and Steve is going to lend him his Kevlar kap

173 albusteve  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 5:36:45pm

way too slow for me...chores beckon

174 prairiefire  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 5:37:19pm

re: #155 Ericus58

That one chick with the antlers looks like she is dressed like the mummy Shaman in Tibet.

175 windsagio  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 5:39:48pm

re: #170 Cato the Elder

Don't think its online, there's a number of essays about it in The last Empire, if you're interested.

on the other thing, I'm sure you were :D After all I'm only about 1/8th your age :D

176 Ericus58  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 5:42:28pm

Here's a 3 minute comedy clip to enjoy.... and yes, I have the DVD. It's a few years old but still good. And she does a good riff on Kerry and Bush in the full version.

Kathleen Madigan - Drinking and Not Driving

177 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 5:44:14pm
178 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 5:47:27pm

re: #177 WindUpBird

Wow, get a load of the psycho wingnut comments on Politico

So many angry braying fools

ugh. i need a sponge bath.

179 albusteve  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 5:48:16pm

re: #175 windsagio

Don't think its online, there's a number of essays about it in The last Empire, if you're interested.

on the other thing, I'm sure you were :D After all I'm only about 1/8th your age :D

for a person that makes a reputation of belittling other posters for not backing up assertions with links, this is really weak....are we supposed to buy a fucking book and read it?...you might look at your own style before you post a link to Amazon for christs sake....what a laugher

180 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 5:49:47pm

this again?

181 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 5:50:00pm

re: #122 Cato the Elder

Race is a sure-fire device for the capitalists to divide the working class and thereby better to subjugate it.

182 wrenchwench  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 5:50:18pm

re: #179 albusteve

Don't start. Steve.

Or rather, may I suggest you not continue in this line...

183 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 5:50:58pm

Open Letter to Bagua:

There was a time when I honored you for your various real contributions to this blog. Notably, your musical posts and your extensive reports on the Deepwater Horizon debacle, all of which came from a fund of obviously deep knowledge about the subjects you were addressing.

Then there was our mutual love of Portugal, its culture and its music.

I never really took part in your feuds. Feuds (unless they're mine) don't interest me at all. In fact, I was called out by several people for not downdinging you enough. This was not because I failed to support my friends, but because I just never paid too much attention when things got personal. I suspect many people do the same when I get into it here with someone for personal reasons.

When you got banned, I was here, and saw the post you wrote, a deliberate, ugly continuation of a personal vendetta. And Charles had warned not only you, but other people who were your antagonists, to back the hell off or suffer the consequences.

Then, after your banning - immediately! - you proudly show up as the latest flaming idiot on a blog whose only reason for being is to boast-whine-cry-shriek-catcall-stalk and otherwise bullshit about a bar where they're no longer welcome.

I've been kicked out of many bars in my life, and banned forever from a couple. It would never in my life occur to me to spend my time trying to get back in, or, failing that, stand outside the bar and piss on their customers.

But you. You write:

It wasn’t easy. Lol. An extended undercover operation. After a while one comes to resemble those being infiltrated!

In that light, my apologies to anyone here I may have said unkind words to. It was necessary to to maintain cover. I quite enjoyed mocking those freaks to their faces, and there are quite a number of good folks left there that were pleasant to chat with.

And:

Yeah, I took a look at that thread. Sad to see people demonise me just because CJ decided to block me. Does one become a bad person because a blog moderator shuts off their account?

Frankly, Bagua, I used to like you, whatever your faults. Now I have to say, if I live to live my dream and retire to Old Lisboa, and I meet you on the street, I would not offer you my hand in friendship nor the loan of two euros for a glass of vinho verde.

And that is all.

184 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 5:51:38pm

re: #181 Spare O'Lake

Race is a sure-fire device for the capitalists to divide the working class and thereby better to subjugate it.

Are you trying for the Tranzi Totalitarian Socialist merit badge?

185 engineer cat  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 5:52:01pm

re: #177 WindUpBird

Wow, get a load of the psycho wingnut comments on Politico

So many angry braying fools

i hear they're manufacturing them in a subterranean laboratory near las cruces

some models are not functioning correctly yet, though...

186 windsagio  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 5:53:28pm

re: #180 Aceofwhat?

It's love I say, love!

187 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 5:53:47pm

re: #183 Cato the Elder

wait. what? seriously?

wow. glad i wasn't logged on for that.

and then he popped up on the stalker blog? what a tart.

188 windsagio  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 5:53:50pm

re: #183 Cato the Elder

really the right place? >>

189 albusteve  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 5:54:15pm

re: #182 wrenchwench

Don't start. Steve.

Or rather, may I suggest you not continue in this line...

yeah sure...I've been hammered good over links...what goes round comes round eh?...I'll drop it, only because you ask me to...pisses me off tho

190 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 5:54:43pm

re: #188 windsagio

really the right place? >>

actually, i thought it was well done.

191 Nimed  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 5:55:03pm

re: #177 WindUpBird

Wow, get a load of the psycho wingnut comments on Politico

So many angry braying fools

Have you read that article? It's an interesting (though not exactly new) analysis of the incentives of the media industry (it also draws a couple of idiotic false equivalencies, but still).

192 CuriousLurker  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 5:55:53pm

re: #122 Cato the Elder

I know I'm breaking a Great American Taboo by even raising the issue of class.

This reminds me of an article I saw today on Politico today regarding the business class/financial leaders being upset with President Obama. It had a sort of "we don't like what you've been doing and we're going to punish everyone for it" vibe.

193 windsagio  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 5:55:58pm

re: #189 albusteve

Well here's the thing, I didn't advocate anything beyond 'he talked about it'. Does that really need proof, given that I"m saying he said anything particular on the issue?

194 wrenchwench  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 5:56:16pm

re: #189 albusteve

I'll drop it, only because you ask me to

Thanks.

See y'all tomorrow.

195 windsagio  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 5:56:28pm

re: #190 Aceofwhat?

I just liked it when Cato was in the 'pay them no mind vein'.

I think its incestuous and dangerous to encourage them by talking to them oO

196 albusteve  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 5:56:43pm

re: #183 Cato the Elder

you speak for me...well said
another bummer tho

197 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 5:56:50pm

re: #192 CuriousLurker

This reminds me of an article I saw today on Politico today regarding the business class/financial leaders being upset with President Obama. It had a sort of "we don't like what you've been doing and we're going to punish everyone for it" vibe.

hey! i left some thoughts on your excellent "free will" page.

198 CuriousLurker  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 5:57:39pm

Hi, everyone. Probably not staying long this evening. It looks like I missed a lot of good stuff today. Gah.

199 Varek Raith  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 5:58:15pm

re: #183 Cato the Elder

Well said.
:(

200 albusteve  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 5:58:42pm

re: #193 windsagio

Well here's the thing, I didn't advocate anything beyond 'he talked about it'. Does that really need proof, given that I"m saying he said anything particular on the issue?

that's up to you....have the same regard for others

201 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 5:58:49pm

re: #195 windsagio

I just liked it when Cato was in the 'pay them no mind vein'.

I think its incestuous and dangerous to encourage them by talking to them oO

In general, yes. But someone we thought we knew...much different than a sleeper who pops in with the wholly unoriginal "gozh thiz place haz changed", you know?

Oh, and +1 for the BilltheCat emoticon. It's my favorite by far.

202 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 5:58:55pm

re: #184 Decatur Deb

Are you trying for the Tranzi Totalitarian Socialist merit badge?

Dah, tavarich.

203 CuriousLurker  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 5:59:13pm

re: #197 Aceofwhat?

hey! i left some thoughts on your excellent "free will" page.

Hey, Ace! Yes, I saw them (thanks) but haven't had a chance to read them carefully (just skimmed). It's been a crazy week, so I'm hoping I can catch up with things here over the weekend.

204 Varek Raith  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 5:59:35pm

Three 7-magnitude quakes strike off Philippines

Three earthquakes of greater than magnitude 7 struck the Philippines' Moro Gulf in just over an hour early Saturday, according to the U.S. Geological Survey.

The first quake, magnitude 7.3, was recorded at 6:08 a.m. (5:08 p.m. ET Friday); the second, 7.6 magnitude at 6:51 a.m. (5:51 p.m. ET); the third, magnitude 7.4, at 7:15 a.m. (6:15 p.m. ET).

The USGS also recorded a 5.4-magnitude quake at 6:19 a.m. (5:19 p.m. ET)

The last quake ran the deepest at 616 (382 miles) kilometers.

The epicenters of the quakes were about 100 kilometers (62 miles) off the coastal city of Cotabato and roughly 950 kilometers (590 miles) southeast of Manila.

No tsunami warning was immediately issued for any of the quakes.

There were no reports of damage, said Rona Faeldin of the Philippines Coast Guard.

205 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 6:00:04pm

re: #203 CuriousLurker

Hey, Ace! Yes, I saw them (thanks) but haven't had a chance to read them carefully (just skimmed). It's been a crazy week, so I'm hoping I can catch up with things here over the weekend.

no sweat. it's the sort of topic that lends itself to pondering. take your time...i enjoyed the exercise.

206 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 6:01:43pm

re: #204 Varek Raith

you'll have that in the ring o'fire...good that there were [apparently] no casualties, though.

207 windsagio  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 6:02:41pm

re: #201 Aceofwhat?

Now you've gotten me doing it.

Nobody should have been surprised at all, it was only a matter of time and/or alcohol consumption.

208 Varek Raith  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 6:03:10pm

re: #207 windsagio

Now you've gotten me doing it.

Nobody should have been surprised at all, it was only a matter of time and/or alcohol consumption.

Eh, no.

209 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 6:03:24pm

re: #207 windsagio

I could use a beer!

210 windsagio  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 6:04:06pm

re: #208 Varek Raith

Well it was no surprise to me anyways >> And I know I"m not alone.

211 albusteve  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 6:04:18pm

re: #195 windsagio

I just liked it when Cato was in the 'pay them no mind vein'.

I think its incestuous and dangerous to encourage them by talking to them oO

odd....I don't remember you speaking out when other renowned posters breech the subject....very telling

212 windsagio  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 6:05:09pm

re: #211 albusteve

Oop, you got me!

Actually no, I've been vocal on the subject.

/I see you think you've got an in for tonights fight tho' steve... good luck with that one :)

213 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 6:05:39pm

re: #209 WindUpBird

I could use a beer!

the cause of...and solution to...all of life's problems

214 Varek Raith  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 6:05:59pm

re: #213 Aceofwhat?

the cause of...and solution to...all of life's problems

D'oh!

215 windsagio  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 6:06:10pm

re: #213 Aceofwhat?

the cause of...and solution to...all of life's problems

Old, but still worth quoting :)

216 Nimed  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 6:06:10pm

re: #198 CuriousLurker

Hi, everyone. Probably not staying long this evening. It looks like I missed a lot of good stuff today. Gah.

Hey CL. That page of yours was an interesting mesh on morality, existentialism and determinism -- many of the presented arguments were familiar, but that particular blend was highly enjoyable. Nice work.

217 albusteve  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 6:06:24pm

re: #212 windsagio

Oop, you got me!

Actually no, I've been vocal on the subject.

/I see you think you've got an in for tonights fight tho' steve... good luck with that one :)

I'm pointing out a glaring inaccuracy...in reply to your own post

218 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 6:06:42pm

re: #212 windsagio

Oop, you got me!

Actually no, I've been vocal on the subject.

/I see you think you've got an in for tonights fight tho' steve... good luck with that one :)

I'm his second.

219 windsagio  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 6:07:04pm

re: #218 Walter L. Newton

You guys are both old, I think I can take ya!

220 Varek Raith  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 6:07:44pm

re: #219 windsagio

You guys are both old, I think I can take ya!

Yeah, but, you're a lefty.
:P

221 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 6:07:54pm

re: #219 windsagio

You guys are both old, I think I can take ya!

Old and horny... works for me.

222 CuriousLurker  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 6:08:27pm

re: #216 Nimed

Hey CL. That page of yours was an interesting mesh on morality, existentialism and determinism -- many of the presented arguments were familiar, but that particular blend was highly enjoyable. Nice work.

Hey, Nimed. Is that what is was a blend of? I didn't have too much trouble grasping the first half of it, but the second half made my brain hurt.

223 windsagio  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 6:08:42pm

re: #221 Walter L. Newton

Old and horny... works for me.

Oh wow, this took an unexpected angle!

I'll need pics of steve before I commit. You pass tho :)

224 albusteve  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 6:09:03pm

re: #219 windsagio

You guys are both old, I think I can take ya!

meanwhile you defeat yourself...move on to the next drama

225 Targetpractice  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 6:09:04pm

Evenin', fellow lizards. What's the good word?

226 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 6:09:50pm

re: #198 CuriousLurker

Hi, everyone. Probably not staying long this evening. It looks like I missed a lot of good stuff today. Gah.

So, what did you think of "District 9"?

227 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 6:11:13pm

re: #213 Aceofwhat?

the cause of...and solution to...all of life's problems

Try...Tequila!

228 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 6:11:34pm

re: #195 windsagio

I just liked it when Cato was in the 'pay them no mind vein'.

I think its incestuous and dangerous to encourage them by talking to them oO

I honestly can't believe you're calling me out over an open letter on a more or less open thread when what I just did, if you could only open your eyepeeps and read between the fuckin' lines, was, among other things, to offer you a big fat fuckin' olive branch.

229 Aye Pod  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 6:11:55pm

Hi folks! A wee announcement, one that gives me the greatest pleasure:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Thanks again to LGF and all out friends here! W00t!

230 CuriousLurker  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 6:12:06pm

re: #226 Cato the Elder

So, what did you think of "District 9"?

I still haven't had a chance to watch it! By the time I left here that night it was too late, then the rest of the week was nuts at work. It's also on my list for this weekend (hopefully during the day tomorrow).

231 albusteve  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 6:12:37pm

re: #227 WindUpBird

Try...Tequila!


[Video]

tomorrow is Tequila Day!
DRINK!

232 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 6:14:02pm

re: #230 CuriousLurker

"Work"? What is that? Can you get me some?

233 CuriousLurker  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 6:14:02pm

re: #229 Jimmah

Hi folks! A wee announcement, one that gives me the greatest pleasure:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Thanks again to LGF and all out friends here! W00t!

Woohoo! I'm happy for you guys. :o)

234 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 6:14:17pm

re: #229 Jimmah

Hi folks! A wee announcement, one that gives me the greatest pleasure:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Thanks again to LGF and all out friends here! W00t!

congratulations!

235 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 6:14:24pm

re: #226 Cato the Elder

So, what did you think of "District 9"?

NOOOOOOOOOO spoilers.....

236 BryanS  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 6:14:35pm

re: #183 Cato the Elder

No need to get into the details, but what was the ban over? Personal spat?

237 CuriousLurker  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 6:15:43pm

re: #232 Cato the Elder

"Work"? What is that? Can you get me some?

Heh. It's like feast or famine, y'know? Things will be dead quite for a while, then suddenly all hell breaks loose.

238 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 6:16:34pm

re: #236 BryanS

No need to get into the details, but what was the ban over? Personal spat?

doubt it. we spat from time to time, like all humans. Charles, in my experience, is tolerant enough to only ban when a longtime lizard goes waaay beyond the pale.

239 albusteve  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 6:16:45pm

re: #226 Cato the Elder

So, what did you think of "District 9"?

I loved it...blew me away
blending 21st century social ills with people and gadgets from another world was pure invention! (probably not)...and a hero, bad guys, aliens, and firepower....what's not to like

240 BryanS  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 6:17:14pm

re: #226 Cato the Elder

So, what did you think of "District 9"?

It was ok, but not quite as good as District 1 through 8 /

241 windsagio  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 6:18:19pm

re: #228 Cato the Elder

I quite missed that :p

I think its pretty clear why tho', you or anyone else aside, I am rreally tired of the "OMG THE STALKERS" thing. its old and lame, and they eat it all up.

It had nothing to do with any conflict with you and everything to do with not wanting to see that crap fed anymore.

242 albusteve  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 6:19:08pm

re: #236 BryanS

No need to get into the details, but what was the ban over? Personal spat?

it's over....sometimes you're there, other times it's second hand...either way it's done

243 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 6:19:27pm

re: #241 windsagio

I quite missed that :p

I think its pretty clear why tho', you or anyone else aside, I am rreally tired of the "OMG THE STALKERS" thing. its old and lame, and they eat it all up.

It had nothing to do with any conflict with you and everything to do with not wanting to see that crap fed anymore.

I hate it when I agree with you.

244 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 6:19:56pm

re: #241 windsagio

I quite missed that :p

I think its pretty clear why tho', you or anyone else aside, I am rreally tired of the "OMG THE STALKERS" thing. its old and lame, and they eat it all up.

It had nothing to do with any conflict with you and everything to do with not wanting to see that crap fed anymore.

dude.

an open letter to someone whose insanity is so recent that it's the first i've heard of it is veeerrry different than 'feeding the stalkers'.

just sayin'.

245 Nimed  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 6:20:03pm

re: #222 CuriousLurker

Hey, Nimed. Is that what is was a blend of? I didn't have too much trouble grasping the first half of it, but the second half made my brain hurt.

:(

I just wrote you a long post in reply and deleted it by accident. AND the Chrome undo function is not working for some reason in the comment box.

AAAARGHHH!

246 albusteve  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 6:20:10pm

re: #240 BryanS

It was ok, but not quite as good as District 1 through 8 /

heh....#4 was my favorite

247 albusteve  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 6:20:48pm

re: #241 windsagio

I quite missed that :p

I think its pretty clear why tho', you or anyone else aside, I am rreally tired of the "OMG THE STALKERS" thing. its old and lame, and they eat it all up.

It had nothing to do with any conflict with you and everything to do with not wanting to see that crap fed anymore.

yes, correct

248 albusteve  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 6:21:28pm

re: #245 Nimed

:(

I just wrote you a long post in reply and deleted it by accident. AND the Chrome undo function is not working for some reason in the comment box.

AAARGHHH!

you can smack me instead....
here...

249 Mocking Jay  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 6:21:43pm

re: #183 Cato the Elder

I haven't weighed in on the Bagua debacle, and I'm not going to. I feel genuinely sorry for those of you who thought him a friend, no matter what I may have felt towards him. That post made me feel something. Cheers, Cato.

250 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 6:22:22pm

re: #245 Nimed

:(

I just wrote you a long post in reply and deleted it by accident. AND the Chrome undo function is not working for some reason in the comment box.

AAARGHHH!

you can always go with the "what Ace said was brilliant"...just a suggestion/

251 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 6:22:25pm

re: #241 windsagio

I quite missed that :p

I think its pretty clear why tho', you or anyone else aside, I am rreally tired of the "OMG THE STALKERS" thing. its old and lame, and they eat it all up.

It had nothing to do with any conflict with you and everything to do with not wanting to see that crap fed anymore.

I am the last person to feed the stalkers, and I was the first person here to tell Irish Rose that that was exactly what she was doing.

I wrote my letter to B. because whatever else, I consider his immediate decampment to the idiot village a personal betrayal.

That is all.

252 Wozza Matter?  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 6:22:46pm

evenin' all

253 CuriousLurker  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 6:22:48pm

re: #245 Nimed

:(

I just wrote you a long post in reply and deleted it by accident. AND the Chrome undo function is not working for some reason in the comment box.

AAARGHHH!

I HATE when that happens. I'm sure whatever it was was brilliant. ;o)

I'm too tired to contribute anything useful tonight, so it probably would've been wasted on me anyway.

254 albusteve  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 6:23:54pm

re: #249 JasonA

I haven't weighed in on the Bagua debacle, and I'm not going to. I feel genuinely sorry for those of you who thought him a friend, no matter what I may have felt towards him. That post made me feel something. Cheers, Cato.

please...you take way it too serious

255 Nimed  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 6:23:57pm

re: #235 Walter L. Newton

NOOO spoilers...

THEY ALL STABBED THE VICTIM ONCE.

256 Mocking Jay  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 6:24:54pm

re: #254 albusteve

please...you take way it too serious

Really now, how many posts of mine are meant to be taken seriously? Let me have this one, Steve.

257 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 6:25:01pm

OK, on a different note entirely.

Anyone want a fast, fun, bloody movie on Netflix Instant?

Try "Blood: The Last Vampire".

It's got everything.

258 brookly red  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 6:25:21pm

re: #255 Nimed

THEY ALL STABBED THE VICTIM ONCE.

re: #255 Nimed

THEY ALL STABBED THE VICTIM ONCE.

/happens all the time here :)

259 windsagio  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 6:25:49pm

re: #251 Cato the Elder

Understandable really. The main point is I wanna point out its in no way my intention to specifically go after you >>

If a friend did that to me I'd be pisst too.

260 Targetpractice  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 6:26:08pm

re: #257 Cato the Elder

OK, on a different note entirely.

Anyone want a fast, fun, bloody movie on Netflix Instant?

Try "Blood: The Last Vampire".

It's got everything.

The anime movie or the live-action one?

261 Guanxi88  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 6:26:41pm

So, went to the funeral last night - a Chinese funeral, for the mother of the boss, matriarch of a large and prominent family from Taiwan.

Anywho - after a bit of low comedy involving me, the funeral home director, and a florist in a three-way conference call:

Me, to the funeral director: "Okay, the flowers are there. If you line up the easels next to each other, do they reach from the casket to the back of the room and out into the waiting area on both sides?"

Funeral director, to me: "No, there's a couple gaps between the stuff inside the chapel and the stuff in the anteroom."

Me to director: "About how many easel stands of red roses would it take to fill the spaces?"

Funeral director to me: "About 4 on each side."

Me to florist: "You got that? I want at least 10 more easels; if there's any roses left in town, I want them sent, not in easels, but in bunches of not less than one dozen each."

Florist: "And what name should I put on the cards?"

Me to florist: "I don't really give a damn. Just throw a couple Western names in among the Wong's, Huang's, Li's, Song's and such-like. Hell, put Rick Perry's name on one if you want. But if you don't fill up every goddamned inch of wall space with flowers, I'll see to it you never get any more chinese business. Do it right, and I'll carry your cards with me."

The ceremony went off without a hitch. Very moving, very dignified.

I was honored to find that my family's flowers were placed within about 6 ranks of the casket. A VERY big deal for us, and a good sign of our status with the family.

I was also privileged to be "introduced" to the deceased. her eldest daughter took my hand, and led me to the casket. She muttered in Chinese "Mama, this is [Real Name Here]. He has come to honor you and to show respect to our family." I was permitted to bow three times to the deceased, a privilege reserved only for her family and members of her church (she was a Christian convert from buddhism) before exchanging bows with her family. I was - and am still -moved deeply by the whole thing.

The ceremonies ran about 5 hours, all told, including one hour for dinner with the family and the other guests (tofu - a hold-over from Buddhist rites).

262 Wozza Matter?  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 6:26:55pm

re: #249 JasonA

I haven't weighed in on the Bagua debacle, and I'm not going to. I feel genuinely sorry for those of you who thought him a friend, no matter what I may have felt towards him. That post made me feel something. Cheers, Cato.

He never sat right with me. Don't know why, well, after his screed, i do now know why, but, he just seemed too far gone by the time i got here.

Thats all from me.

263 Nimed  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 6:27:50pm

re: #248 albusteve

you can smack me instead...
here...

Thanks, dude, I appreciate it. But I'm too debilitated for that right now.

264 Aye Pod  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 6:27:57pm

re: #233 CuriousLurker

Woohoo! I'm happy for you guys. :o)

re: #234 Aceofwhat?

congratulations!

Thanks guys! Me and ice will be too busy to post much for the next few days at the least; we've still got loads of preparations to make and loose ends to tie up.

What else can I say? Time for some U4IA!

265 albusteve  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 6:30:03pm

re: #256 JasonA

Really now, how many posts of mine are meant to be taken seriously? Let me have this one, Steve.

every poster has redeeming value...they come and go but I try to see the best side of people, and everyone has a best side...whether they comment here anymore or not...commenting at a stalker sight is another matter, but one thing leads to another

266 Guanxi88  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 6:30:41pm

re: #264 Jimmah

Thanks guys! Me and ice will be too busy to post much for the next few days at the least; we've still got loads of preparations to make and loose ends to tie up.

What else can I say? Time for some U4IA!


[Video]

Lay in supplies of scotsmac and/or buckfast.

267 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 6:30:55pm

re: #261 Guanxi88

So interesting.

268 Mocking Jay  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 6:31:52pm

re: #265 albusteve

every poster has redeeming value...they come and go but I try to see the best side of people, and everyone has a best side...whether they comment here anymore or not...commenting at a stalker sight is another matter, but one thing leads to another

Okay. But I didn't say anything bad about the man. I'll leave that to the ones who knew him better.

269 CuriousLurker  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 6:32:31pm

re: #257 Cato the Elder

OK, on a different note entirely.

Anyone want a fast, fun, bloody movie on Netflix Instant?

Try "Blood: The Last Vampire".

It's got everything.

Have you seen Arranged? It's also available on Netflix Instant. It's about the friendship that blossoms between a Jewish woman and a Muslim woman who teach at the same public school in NYC, and whose families are trying to find suitable husbands for them. It's one of the best movies I've seen in a long time. Very human, very positive.

270 Nimed  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 6:32:57pm

re: #253 CuriousLurker

I HATE when that happens. I'm sure whatever it was was brilliant. ;o)

I'm too tired to contribute anything useful tonight, so it probably would've been wasted on me anyway.

:D Oh, you. Flattery will get you everywhere! Anyway, you desert rest to rest on your laurels for a while. Awesome pages during the week.

271 windsagio  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 6:33:19pm

re: #265 albusteve

every poster has redeeming value...

HUMANIST!

272 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 6:33:29pm

re: #264 Jimmah

video not available...

273 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 6:33:36pm

re: #260 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

The anime movie or the live-action one?

I'm watching the live-action.

If the anime is available for instant gratification, I'll follow up with that.

274 Targetpractice  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 6:34:20pm

re: #265 albusteve

every poster has redeeming value...they come and go but I try to see the best side of people, and everyone has a best side...whether they comment here anymore or not...commenting at a stalker sight is another matter, but one thing leads to another

...I do?

275 CuriousLurker  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 6:34:25pm

re: #267 Stanley Sea

So interesting.

Indeed. I love to read about cultural stuff.

276 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 6:34:33pm

re: #269 CuriousLurker

Have you seen Arranged? It's also available on Netflix Instant. It's about the friendship that blossoms between a Jewish woman and a Muslim woman who teach at the same public school in NYC, and whose families are trying to find suitable husbands for them. It's one of the best movies I've seen in a long time. Very human, very positive.

OTOH, my wife and i are back to being hooked on True Blood (HBO)...less human, less positive...but addictive!

277 webevintage  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 6:34:50pm

re: #255 Nimed

THEY ALL STABBED THE VICTIM ONCE.

ROSEBUD IS SLEIGH

278 researchok  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 6:34:51pm

OT question:

If you lose your Kindle reader do you lose the books downloaded or can you download the recorded purchases to a new device?

279 CuriousLurker  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 6:34:53pm

re: #270 Nimed

:D Oh, you. Flattery will get you everywhere! Anyway, you desert rest to rest on your laurels for a while. Awesome pages during the week.

Thanks!

280 Mocking Jay  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 6:35:17pm

re: #274 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

...I do?

shh. He wasn't talking about you. Probably me, either.

281 albusteve  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 6:35:42pm

re: #268 JasonA

Okay. But I didn't say anything bad about the man. I'll leave that to the ones who knew him better.

yes, cool...but I speak in general..I liked that guy, but shit happens and if he goes down I don't have to go with him just because I enjoyed posting with him....that was the original riff, for me....I'm not really family so to speak

282 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 6:36:23pm

re: #277 webevintage

ROSEBUD IS SLEIGH

soylent green is people

283 Targetpractice  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 6:36:59pm

re: #282 Aceofwhat?

soylent green is people

It's a cookbook!

284 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 6:37:14pm

re: #265 albusteve

every poster has redeeming value...they come and go but I try to see the best side of people, and everyone has a best side...whether they comment here anymore or not...commenting at a stalker sight is another matter, but one thing leads to another

The stalker blog, and how the entree was presented really just throws it into another dimension.

Yeah, you can be pissed off etc., but like the getting kicked out of a bar and wanting to go back, sooo bad...

Cato, I appreciate your post. You all knew him better and are therefore more affected.

285 webevintage  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 6:37:19pm

re: #278 researchok

OT question:

If you lose your Kindle reader do you lose the books downloaded or can you download the recorded purchases to a new device?

Other device.
It is stored on your kindle account on Amazon....

Can I share content with other Kindles?

Books can be shared between Kindles, Kindle for PC, or iPhones that are registered to the same account. There may be limits on the number of devices (usually 6) that can simultaneously use a single book. Subscriptions to newspapers or periodicals cannot be shared on multiple devices.

286 Aye Pod  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 6:37:29pm

re: #272 Aceofwhat?

video not available...

Embedding disabled. Double click it or right click and open in a new window (hopefully)

287 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 6:37:42pm

re: #280 JasonA

shh. He wasn't talking about you. Probably me, either.

Couldn't you have written that a bit smaller?

288 Guanxi88  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 6:37:52pm

re: #267 Stanley Sea

So interesting.

Lotta work, I tell you what. The boss is worthy of my respect, so I must honor her family, even if I have to do so by sending flowers in the names of other people to ensure that they see nothing but flowers for their mother.

Now, the boss' husband, he's a shrewd one; I suspect he suspects that Governor Perry and a large number of people he'd never really heard of sent flowers, but he knows that the very attempt at such a noble deception is itself a sign of the high esteem in which his wife (and, by extension, he himself) is held, and so he accepts the gesture as if it were genuine.

The funeral rites are a whole other thing. I went to her husband's funeral a few years back, and it was FAR more formal - three bows to the casket from EVERYONE present (he was that big a deal), children of the widow feeding their mother rice with golden chopsticks (filial piety on practical display), cremation including his portrait (carried in front of the casket by his son) and the flowers from the hearse (carried by the many employees of his children and a few locals from the community). Kowtowing - first time I'd ever seen it done was right before I had to do it myself - to the casket as it is sent into the crematorium.

289 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 6:38:14pm

re: #261 Guanxi88

Elegantly done, on your part.
I salute you!

290 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 6:38:17pm

re: #286 Jimmah

Embedding disabled. Double click it or right click and open in a new window (hopefully)

breaking news...i'm an idiot. thanks/sorry.

291 CuriousLurker  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 6:38:30pm

re: #276 Aceofwhat?

OTOH, my wife and i are back to being hooked on True Blood (HBO)...less human, less positive...but addictive!

I only have basic cable now, not even the news channels (probably better for my mental health). It's just too darned expensive when I can get unlimited movies from Netflix.

292 Guanxi88  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 6:38:32pm

re: #274 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

...I do?

Ballast, and you make carbon dioxide.

293 What, me worry?  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 6:38:49pm

re: #278 researchok

OT question:

If you lose your Kindle reader do you lose the books downloaded or can you download the recorded purchases to a new device?

Yes, you can redownload from Amazon to your computer and then transfer them to a new Kindle, or read them on your puter.

294 researchok  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 6:38:53pm

re: #285 webevintage

Excellent. Thanks for the info. I'm thinking about getting a reader.

I like Kindle, but in your opinion, are there better options?

295 BryanS  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 6:38:56pm

re: #283 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

It's a cookbook!

How to cook for humans.
How to cook forty humans.
How to cook for forty humans.

296 Targetpractice  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 6:39:01pm

re: #280 JasonA

shh. He wasn't talking about you. Probably me, either.

Oh...*sniffle*...I just wanna be loved.

297 blueraven  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 6:39:10pm

re: #195 windsagio

I just liked it when Cato was in the 'pay them no mind vein'.

I think its incestuous and dangerous to encourage them by talking to them oO

Really? Incestuous. Dangerous.
Don't you think that's just a teeny, tiny bit overblown?

298 webevintage  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 6:39:15pm

re: #285 webevintage

Other device.
It is stored on your kindle account on Amazon...

It looks like you just have to register your other device....
The books all have a drop down menu that allows you to deliver the books to whatever device you want them to.

299 Nimed  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 6:39:27pm

re: #277 webevintage

ROSEBUD IS SLEIGH

SPACEY WAS KEISER SOZE! AND HIS LIMP? HE WAS FAKING IT ALL THE TIME, THE BASTARD!

300 Targetpractice  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 6:39:55pm

re: #299 Nimed

SPACEY WAS KEISER SOZE! AND HIS LIMP? HE WAS FAKING IT ALL THE TIME, THE BASTARD!

It was Earth all along!

301 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 6:40:01pm

re: #291 CuriousLurker

I only have basic cable now, not even the news channels (probably better for my mental health). It's just too darned expensive when I can get unlimited movies from Netflix.

SPEND!

302 Wozza Matter?  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 6:40:09pm

re: #295 BryanS

gratuitous Kang upding

303 Guanxi88  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 6:40:52pm

re: #299 Nimed

SPACEY WAS KEISER SOZE! AND HIS LIMP? HE WAS FAKING IT ALL THE TIME, THE BASTARD!

Mr Orange is a cop.

304 Digital Display  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 6:40:55pm

Good evening Lizards! I'm about 8 hours away from the Road trip..Laundry, Packing and planning...I dropped Winston off at a Friends today..I miss him already..Nothing worse than coming home to an empty house..
Hope everyone is well tonight

305 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 6:41:03pm

re: #269 CuriousLurker

Have you seen Arranged? It's also available on Netflix Instant. It's about the friendship that blossoms between a Jewish woman and a Muslim woman who teach at the same public school in NYC, and whose families are trying to find suitable husbands for them. It's one of the best movies I've seen in a long time. Very human, very positive.

Favorited for future viewing.

Wanna see a lovely movie about Haredim in Jerusalem? "Uzpishin" - not sure if I'm spelling it right.

Shalom, salaam, pax.

306 Mocking Jay  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 6:41:11pm

re: #302 wozzablog

gratuitous Kang upding

Don't blame me. I voted for Kodos.

307 webevintage  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 6:41:46pm

re: #294 researchok

Excellent. Thanks for the info. I'm thinking about getting a reader.

I like Kindle, but in your opinion, are there better options?

Well if I could afford a Kindle I would have bought one, but my son bought me a ipod touch for mother's day and I read on it every night before I go to bed. I thought I would hate reading on it, but even with my bad eyes I read off of it just fine.
But I don't have either a laptop or a notebook so other people may have dif opinions on that.

308 Mocking Jay  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 6:41:51pm

re: #303 Guanxi88

Mr Orange is a cop.

Why did you downding this, Wozza?

309 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 6:42:16pm

re: #286 Jimmah

Embedding disabled. Double click it or right click and open in a new window (hopefully)

well, i'm still an idiot for not having tried that first...but it's not available on youtube.

on the positive side, this is proof that i watch the videos you post...you have an excellent track record in that regard-

310 CuriousLurker  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 6:42:26pm

re: #301 Spare O'Lake

SPEND!

Heh, I'd rather buy software or computer gadgets.

311 webevintage  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 6:42:42pm

re: #299 Nimed

SPACEY WAS KEISER SOZE! AND HIS LIMP? HE WAS FAKING IT ALL THE TIME, THE BASTARD!

I love that movie....

312 BryanS  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 6:42:49pm

re: #303 Guanxi88

Mr Orange is a cop.

Dr Malcolm Crowe is dead.

313 researchok  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 6:42:52pm

re: #293 marjoriemoon

Yes, you can redownload from Amazon to your computer and then transfer them to a new Kindle, or read them on your puter.

MM, do you have any opinions on the various readers out there?

314 CuriousLurker  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 6:42:59pm

re: #305 Cato the Elder

Favorited for future viewing.

Wanna see a lovely movie about Haredim in Jerusalem? "Uzpishin" - not sure if I'm spelling it right.

Shalom, salaam, pax.

Thanks, I'll look for it now.

315 Wozza Matter?  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 6:43:00pm

re: #308 JasonA

hadn't seen the film ;-)

just let it hang a second for effect, took it off.

316 Targetpractice  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 6:43:12pm

re: #303 Guanxi88

Mr Orange is a cop.

He's really a ghost and the little boy has been dropping heavy hints the whole movie.

317 Targetpractice  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 6:43:48pm

re: #312 BryanS

Dr Malcolm Crowe is dead.

GMTA

318 Wozza Matter?  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 6:44:10pm

She is a he. Nuff said.

319 webevintage  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 6:44:35pm

re: #316 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

He's really a ghost and the little boy has been dropping heavy hints the whole movie.


Vader IS LUKE's FATHER!!!!!

320 Guanxi88  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 6:45:27pm

re: #312 BryanS

Dr Malcolm Crowe is dead.

The guy in the middle of the floor? He set up the whole thing.

321 Wozza Matter?  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 6:45:39pm

i'm gettin' outta here before someone tells me how that Titanic movie turns out..............

322 The Left  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 6:46:02pm

re: #319 webevintage

Vader IS LUKE's FATHER!!!

AND HE'S CALLING FROM INSIDE THE HOUSE!

323 Targetpractice  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 6:46:03pm

re: #319 webevintage

Vader IS LUKE's FATHER!!!

He's really dead and the whole movie's been a dying hallucination.

...wait, that could actually be several movies.

324 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 6:46:10pm

re: #319 webevintage

Vader IS LUKE's FATHER!!!

The obelisks are reproducing every three minutes and no one knows why.

325 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 6:46:27pm

Classic spoilers:

Gollum falls into the Crack of Doom with the Ring.

The Terminator gets crushed but his chip lives on forever.

Robocop never becomes human again.

The Force is not always with you.

The Planet of the Apes is Earth.

Jesus comes back to life.

Buddha runs to fat after attaining enlightenment.

Any questions?

326 webevintage  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 6:46:42pm

re: #324 Spare O'Lake

The obelisks are reproducing every three minutes and no one knows why.

Jesus dies....

327 Nimed  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 6:46:54pm

re: #318 wozzablog

She is a he. Nuff said.

By the time I discovered that, it was too late to go back...

328 Aye Pod  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 6:47:00pm

re: #286 Jimmah

Embedding disabled. Double click it or right click and open in a new window (hopefully)

Oops - ice just tells me its not availalke in the US. Try this one - live performance of the same song. The band is 'TTF' - the singer is Scottish-Iranian disco diva Mary Kiani.

329 CuriousLurker  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 6:48:54pm

re: #304 HoosierHoops

Good evening Lizards! I'm about 8 hours away from the Road trip..Laundry, Packing and planning...I dropped Winston off at a Friends today..I miss him already..Nothing worse than coming home to an empty house..
Hope everyone is well tonight

Hoosier, I wasn't present for most of the stuff that went down with Bagua, but I was lurking (last night?) when you mentioned how hurt you were about the prayer list thing.

I was here actively participating when that happened and said nothing because... well, self justification is worse than the original offense, so I won't go there I'll just apologize for not speaking up.

330 Targetpractice  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 6:49:09pm

re: #326 webevintage

Jesus dies...

He's the last replicant.

331 Guanxi88  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 6:49:45pm

re: #325 Cato the Elder

Classic spoilers:

Gollum falls into the Crack of Doom with the Ring.

The Terminator gets crushed but his chip lives on forever.

Robocop never becomes human again.

The Force is not always with you.

The Planet of the Apes is Earth.

Jesus comes back to life.

Buddha runs to fat after attaining enlightenment.

Any questions?

Carmen killed Rusty Regan.

332 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 6:49:59pm

re: #313 researchok

MM, do you have any opinions on the various readers out there?

SFZ reads very fast, but very thoroughly.

333 The Left  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 6:50:52pm

re: #31 Casual Talker

This message is for Iceweasel in hopes that she is reading.

Thank you for the links you may or may not remember posting for me on some of the analysis of the DOJ vs. Arizona case on immigration a couple of weeks ago. I found them helpful.

It looks like proceedings are underway.

Here's some reportage from WAPO: [Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

Right now Judge Bolton is pushing back on the whole pre-emption issue, but it's early yet.

Thanks again, Iceweasel.

Just saw this-- no problem! glad they were helpful. Also I should thank you because thanks to our conversation I wound up putting together a couple of pages on it as well. So you were helpful to me also. Cheers again!

334 What, me worry?  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 6:51:01pm

re: #313 researchok

MM, do you have any opinions on the various readers out there?

We only have the Kindle. My husband loves it. I don't read novels much. The only real turn off is the plastic along the outside is a bit cheap. It's cracked twice under what I'd call normal wear and tear. He says of all the readers, the Kindle has the best readable face.

335 Guanxi88  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 6:51:10pm

re: #327 Nimed

By the time I discovered that, it was too late to go back...

L-O-L-A

336 researchok  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 6:51:18pm

re: #332 Decatur Deb

SFZ reads very fast, but very thoroughly.

I read it for the articles. Really.

337 What, me worry?  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 6:51:46pm

re: #325 Cato the Elder

Classic spoilers:

Gollum falls into the Crack of Doom with the Ring.

The Terminator gets crushed but his chip lives on forever.

Robocop never becomes human again.

The Force is not always with you.

The Planet of the Apes is Earth.

Jesus comes back to life.

Buddha runs to fat after attaining enlightenment.

Any questions?

Soylent Green is People.

338 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 6:52:03pm

re: #328 Jimmah

Oops - ice just tells me its not availalke in the US. Try this one - live performance of the same song. The band is 'TTF' - the singer is Scottish-Iranian disco diva Mary Kiani.


[Video]

got it. excellent.

this is how excited i am for you two...

339 Guanxi88  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 6:52:08pm

re: #337 marjoriemoon

Soylent Green is People.

Bender crashed at Roswell.

340 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 6:52:12pm

re: #333 iceweasel

Just saw this-- no problem! glad they were helpful. Also I should thank you because thanks to our conversation I wound up putting together a couple of pages on it as well. So you were helpful to me also. Cheers again!

Hey, Ice. Glad to see you.

341 Targetpractice  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 6:52:24pm

re: #339 Guanxi88

Bender crashed at Roswell.

Lies!

342 CuriousLurker  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 6:52:37pm

Cato, I can't find it, not even typing one letter at a time. Any other clues on the spelling?

343 researchok  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 6:52:46pm

re: #334 marjoriemoon

We only have the Kindle. My husband loves it. I don't read novels much. The only real turn off is the plastic along the outside is a bit cheap. It's cracked twice under what I'd call normal wear and tear. He says of all the readers, the Kindle has the best readable face.

I've narrowed it down to the Kindle or an Ipad.

Decision this weekend.

344 webevintage  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 6:53:04pm

re: #339 Guanxi88

Bender crashed at Roswell.

He had all the time in the world now but his glasses got broke....

345 Digital Display  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 6:53:16pm

re: #329 CuriousLurker

Hoosier, I wasn't present for most of the stuff that went down with Bagua, but I was lurking (last night?) when you mentioned how hurt you were about the prayer list thing.

I was here actively participating when that happened and said nothing because... well, self justification is worse than the original offense, so I won't go there I'll just apologize for not speaking up.

You are just fine..Because I'm on the Road this weekend and always posted the prayer list every Sunday at exactly 10amEST every single week...
We are doing a special edition tonight of the prayer list on the Sabbath...
Spares me the guilt..*wink*

346 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 6:53:26pm

re: #337 marjoriemoon

Soylent Green is People.

tsk, tsk.

347 What, me worry?  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 6:53:48pm

re: #343 researchok

I've narrowed it down to the Kindle or an Ipad.

Decision this weekend.

Doesn't the Ipad do more than the Kindle? Of course, we bought the Kindle prior to the Ipad.

348 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 6:53:50pm

re: #339 Guanxi88

Bender crashed at Roswell.

special upding in honor of the new episodes...

349 The Left  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 6:53:55pm

re: #340 Dark_Falcon

Hey, Ice. Glad to see you.

hey cutie! Super busy i'm afriad-- how are you? Jimmah tells me he only just found an email from you via youtube (i havent been checking it and owe you one anyway still)-- we answered (well he did but theres one in there from me that he passed along)

Hope all is well!

350 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 6:54:50pm

re: #336 researchok

I read it for the articles. Really.

Some people surely did. I found a Braille Playboy in an old book store, published by the Gov Printing Office as a project for the handicapped. (It's discontinued now.)

351 What, me worry?  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 6:54:50pm

re: #346 Aceofwhat?

tsk, tsk.

I'm terrible. You know I saw that movie for the first time a few years ago. I just never got around to seeing it. Of course, you know the tag line before you go in from hearing it for 30 years. Great flick, I must say!

352 researchok  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 6:56:05pm

re: #347 marjoriemoon

Doesn't the Ipad do more than the Kindle? Of course, we bought the Kindle prior to the Ipad.

It does and also allows you to buy from lots of vendors, not just Amazon.

That said, the kindle is more expensive.

353 brookly red  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 6:56:16pm

re: #329 CuriousLurker

Hoosier, I wasn't present for most of the stuff that went down with Bagua, but I was lurking (last night?) when you mentioned how hurt you were about the prayer list thing.

I was here actively participating when that happened and said nothing because... well, self justification is worse than the original offense, so I won't go there I'll just apologize for not speaking up.

Ba gua is for those not familiar is a Chinese term for 8 symbols (aka 8 ways) & also a term for a very effective 2 step fighting style (in & out)... sad to lose a warrior to bating IMO.

354 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 6:56:17pm

re: #349 iceweasel

hey cutie! Super busy i'm afriad-- how are you? Jimmah tells me he only just found an email from you via youtube (i havent been checking it and owe you one anyway still)-- we answered (well he did but theres one in there from me that he passed along)

Hope all is well!

Things at work go well, but money is tight. I'll get through the month, though. I've got another Scott Wheeler post I should have up in a little bit. He's laying the paranoia on pretty thick.

355 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 6:56:49pm

re: #351 marjoriemoon

I'm terrible. You know I saw that movie for the first time a few years ago. I just never got around to seeing it. Of course, you know the tag line before you go in from hearing it for 30 years. Great flick, I must say!

no, i meant i already said that one!

(but as to your post...we all have classics that we just haven't gotten to yet...don't tell anyone, but i've never seen Casablanca)

356 Mocking Jay  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 6:57:09pm

re: #329 CuriousLurker

Hoosier, I wasn't present for most of the stuff that went down with Bagua, but I was lurking (last night?) when you mentioned how hurt you were about the prayer list thing.

I was here actively participating when that happened and said nothing because... well, self justification is worse than the original offense, so I won't go there I'll just apologize for not speaking up.

Who was it that said something about the prayer list?

357 researchok  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 6:57:13pm

re: #350 Decatur Deb

Some people surely did. I found a Braille Playboy in an old book store, published by the Gov Printing Office as a project for the handicapped. (It's discontinued now.)

Gives new meaning to the expression, 'Now read it with feeling'.

358 brownbagj  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 6:57:45pm

re: #332 Decatur Deb

She is the hot school marm. That is fo sho'.

359 Obdicut  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 6:58:01pm

re: #353 brookly red

sad to lose a warrior to bating IMO.

Huh?

Dude.

Don't be dumb.

360 Nimed  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 6:58:38pm

re: #335 Guanxi88

L-O-L-A


[Video]

:D Oh, man. Respect for that reference, and thanks. Hadn't heard that in a while.

361 Mocking Jay  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 6:58:53pm

re: #353 brookly red

sad to lose a warrior to bating IMO.

Go look at his latest hits and tell us if you still feel that way.

362 Guanxi88  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 6:59:11pm

re: #337 marjoriemoon

Soylent Green is People.

Reminds me:

I need to ask the room, I've got some stuff DVR'd:

Killer Shrews

The Manster

Conquest of the Planet of the Apes

And my question is this: Should I go out and get another bottle of Night Train before I sit through these flicks or should I just use some cheap-ass sherry to help strecth supplies of the needful?

363 brownbagj  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 6:59:29pm

re: #343 researchok

I have a kindle and love it. The beauty of a kindle is that you do not have a bright computer screen staring back at you. Pleasant for your eyes. I assume the iPad would be a glaring white screen.

364 The Left  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 6:59:34pm

re: #353 brookly red

Ba gua is for those not familiar is a Chinese term for 8 symbols (aka 8 ways) & also a term for a very effective 2 step fighting style (in & out)... sad to lose a warrior to bating IMO.

Sad to see people still describing his well deserved banning as due to 'baiting'. Yeah, 'baited'. Bullshit apologetics for atrocious behaviour.

365 CuriousLurker  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 6:59:34pm

re: #356 JasonA

Who was it that said something about the prayer list?

I dunno. I was trying to remember last night and couldn't. I don't even remember which day/thread it was.

366 Nimed  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 6:59:41pm

re: #353 brookly red

9_9 here we go...

367 Wozza Matter?  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:00:32pm

kids - y'all - later days, can't be doing with this tonight.

368 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:00:56pm

re: #362 Guanxi88

Reminds me:

I need to ask the room, I've got some stuff DVR'd:

Killer Shrews

The Manster

Conquest of the Planet of the Apes

And my question is this: Should I go out and get another bottle of Night Train before I sit through these flicks or should I just use some cheap-ass sherry to help strecth supplies of the needful?

Your choice in cinema is perfectly matched to your taste in drink.

369 windsagio  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:01:06pm

re: #363 brownbagj

I want one of those so badly.

370 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:01:11pm

re: #328 Jimmah

Oops - ice just tells me its not availalke in the US. Try this one - live performance of the same song. The band is 'TTF' - the singer is Scottish-Iranian disco diva Mary Kiani.

There's a Scottish-Iranian diva?

Dive for cover, we're doomed!

371 researchok  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:01:20pm

re: #363 brownbagj

I have a kindle and love it. The beauty of a kindle is that you do not have a bright computer screen staring back at you. Pleasant for your eyes. I assume the iPad would be a glaring white screen.

Good point. I need to check that out. I'll go check out an IPad manana or Sunday.

372 CuriousLurker  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:01:21pm

re: #353 brookly red

Ba gua is for those not familiar is a Chinese term for 8 symbols (aka 8 ways) & also a term for a very effective 2 step fighting style (in & out)

Yeah, I saw that when I googled his nic once after he mentioned that he'd like to live in China.

373 windsagio  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:01:28pm

re: #364 iceweasel

there's this weird 'we can't speak ill of the dead' vibe about him kinda >>

374 brookly red  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:01:50pm

re: #366 Nimed

9_9 here we go...

no he was foolish enough to have pride & it cost him... that is all.

375 windsagio  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:02:02pm

re: #372 CuriousLurker

random: Got into a fight with (I think it was Guanxi) over it once, was weird.

376 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:02:06pm

re: #342 CuriousLurker

Cato, I can't find it, not even typing one letter at a time. Any other clues on the spelling?

I own the movie. Hold on.

377 Guanxi88  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:02:08pm

re: #368 Decatur Deb

Your choice in cinema is perfectly matched to your taste in drink.

There's a lot to be said for the pleasure one can find in the cheap and low-grade. How else to explain my wife's insistence that we stay married?

378 brownbagj  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:02:13pm

re: #352 researchok

This is very true. The iPad is truly for much more than reading. Plus the Kindle does not have a backlight for reading at night.

So, if you intend to read a lot, I would do Kindle. If you intend to read and need a cool device to surf the web etc, go iPad.

379 CuriousLurker  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:02:33pm

re: #366 Nimed

9_9 here we go...

That's why I snipped out the last part.

380 windsagio  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:03:02pm

re: #374 brookly red

heh do you expect to get anything but grief for this?

I mean its ballsy, but can't be good for the bloodpressure.

381 bratwurst  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:03:03pm

re: #373 windsagio

there's this weird 'we can't speak ill of the dead' vibe about him kinda >>

Except he does it all the time...always "forgetting" Murtha is dead, etc.

382 Guanxi88  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:03:12pm

re: #375 windsagio

random: Got into a fight with (I think it was Guanxi) over it once, was weird.

It may have been. I'm just foul-tempered enough to dust up with folk over the most trivial crap. If I did - and I don't doubt at all that I probably had - chalk it up to a profound personality disorder.

383 Obdicut  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:03:13pm

re: #345 HoosierHoops

Hoops, you know I'm a total, cold-as-the-grave atheist, and I love the prayer list.

Not because it's religious.

But because it's human.

My heart lifts when I hear gospel music. I sing "God Rest Ye Merry Gentlmen" to myself at Christmas. I love cathedrals. I say "bless you". I think the poetry contained in the Bible and the book of common prayer. I have felt at my most peaceful inside a Taoist temple.

I just don't believe it has meaning outside the human meaning-- which encompasses all of us.

384 BryanS  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:03:24pm

re: #377 Guanxi88

There's a lot to be said for the pleasure one can find in the cheap and low-grade. How else to explain my wife's insistence that we stay married?

heh. MST3K made a whole show out of the low-grade. Sub low-grade at that.

385 brookly red  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:03:47pm

re: #372 CuriousLurker

Yeah, I saw that when I googled his nic once after he mentioned that he'd like to live in China.

for one to fight (compete) effectively one must be selfless...

386 researchok  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:03:53pm

re: #378 brownbagj

This is very true. The iPad is truly for much more than reading. Plus the Kindle does not have a backlight for reading at night.

So, if you intend to read a lot, I would do Kindle. If you intend to read and need a cool device to surf the web etc, go iPad.

I really just want it for reading. Cell phone is enough contact.

387 What, me worry?  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:03:57pm

re: #352 researchok

It does and also allows you to buy from lots of vendors, not just Amazon.

That said, the kindle is more expensive.

Oh, well maybe we should get the Ipad then!

388 Aye Pod  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:03:58pm

re: #309 Aceofwhat?

well, i'm still an idiot for not having tried that first...but it's not available on youtube.

on the positive side, this is proof that i watch the videos you post...you have an excellent track record in that regard-

Cheers Ace! Here's another, probably the biggest hit from that whole U4IA scene :

389 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:04:14pm

re: #353 brookly red

Ba gua is for those not familiar is a Chinese term for 8 symbols (aka 8 ways) & also a term for a very effective 2 step fighting style (in & out)... sad to lose a warrior to bating IMO.

huh? pushback again?

390 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:04:18pm

re: #353 brookly red

sad to lose a warrior to bating IMO.

bullshit, dude. i've said dumb shit too...and it was my fault every time, regardless of what i may or may not have been responding to. i don't even know the full story, but don't be a hoser. we're all responsible for what comes out of our keyboards.

391 CuriousLurker  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:04:34pm

re: #375 windsagio

random: Got into a fight with (I think it was Guanxi) over it once, was weird.

Over what? Sorry, I'm brain dead right now...

392 firstinla  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:04:39pm

I downloaded a half dozen books to my Ipad before leaving for Europe a couple weeks ago. The thing is great and have no problem with the screen but it does get uncomfortable holding after a while. Maybe they will make some kind of cradle for it.

393 windsagio  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:04:41pm

re: #386 researchok

the iPad is also overpriced trash, so stick with hte kindle. The 'reads like real paper' thing is good for both lighting reasons and eyestrain reasons >

394 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:05:00pm

re: #362 Guanxi88

ouch. migrane in a bottle, much?

395 brownbagj  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:05:02pm

re: #369 windsagio

I do love it. Plus, there are tons of free books. Many new and many classics are free downloads. The list changes all the time. I have bought maybe 5-10 books but have ten times that many on the kindle I have read.

I bought a little booklight, attached it to the side of the kindle and read away. My eyes are not stressed at all, while at night on a computer screen they can get really tired.

I went with the smaller model as it was cheaper and most said it performed better (longer battery life etc). Plus, the big model is really huge. The large kindle along with the iPad would get tiresome to hold while laying down to read for long.

396 windsagio  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:05:16pm

re: #391 CuriousLurker

Whomever it was was annoyed that he was appropriating a chinese concept, didn't like how westerners were all gaga over that stuff.

397 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:05:20pm

re: #377 Guanxi88

There's a lot to be said for the pleasure one can find in the cheap and low-grade. How else to explain my wife's insistence that we stay married?

I know where my wife gets her stamina. As a child in KY coal country, her father and uncles found a dime and bought a huge bag of candy. They "shared" by letting one kid eat from the bag as long as he could stand his brothers banging on his leg with a hammer handle.

398 The Left  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:05:24pm

re: #373 windsagio

there's this weird 'we can't speak ill of the dead' vibe about him kinda >>

Not 'weird' at all. Described and predicted quite accurately over here.

It's a little odd that anyone HERE wants to defend someone over at the stalker site now gleefully slamming CJ and LGF, yes.

399 brookly red  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:05:30pm

re: #380 windsagio

heh do you expect to get anything but grief for this?

I mean its ballsy, but can't be good for the bloodpressure.

no I expect grief I know where I am :)

400 Guanxi88  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:05:51pm

re: #394 Aceofwhat?

ouch. migrane in a bottle, much?

Sin, punishment, and repentance, all in a handy 750 ml bottle. Screwtop, to boot.

401 Aye Pod  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:05:51pm

re: #353 brookly red

Ba gua is for those not familiar is a Chinese term for 8 symbols (aka 8 ways) & also a term for a very effective 2 step fighting style (in & out)... sad to lose a warrior to bating IMO.

This after he has admitted that he was deliberately trying all along to fuck LGF up as much as he could, and after he joined his kindred spirits on the stalker blog. Just what kind of asshole are you? Oh nice bit of baiting there too btw.

Idiot.

402 windsagio  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:06:00pm

re: #395 brownbagj

Right now reading free books on my phones, you can't do it in direct light or for too long tho'... once I figure out my money I'll get me one.

403 researchok  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:06:17pm

Thanks for the advice. Shopping for tech nowadays is crazy- and it's not like I'm some kind of expert. Hell, I'm barely a half assed user!

404 windsagio  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:06:26pm

re: #399 brookly red

lol whats the point hten? :D

405 Nimed  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:06:38pm

re: #374 brookly red

no he was foolish enough to have pride & it cost him... that is all.

On the off chance you said that in good faith, take a look at the quotes at the bottom of this comment -- which was posted in this very thread, by the way.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

406 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:06:38pm

re: #353 brookly red

Ba gua is for those not familiar is a Chinese term for 8 symbols (aka 8 ways) & also a term for a very effective 2 step fighting style (in & out)... sad to lose a warrior to bating IMO.

Obvious troll is obvious

407 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:06:41pm

re: #388 Jimmah

Cheers Ace! Here's another, probably the biggest hit from that whole U4IA scene :


[Video]

that grrrl has PIPES.

btw, did you watch at least a few seconds of me dancing for you?

no, it's not really me

408 brookly red  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:06:41pm

re: #390 Aceofwhat?

bullshit, dude. i've said dumb shit too...and it was my fault every time, regardless of what i may or may not have been responding to. i don't even know the full story, but don't be a hoser. we're all responsible for what comes out of our keyboards.

yes he was responsible & he paid, so what is the point? it is what it is.

409 What, me worry?  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:06:54pm

re: #352 researchok

It does and also allows you to buy from lots of vendors, not just Amazon.

That said, the kindle is more expensive.

Hubby is now going off on the Ipad because he says it sucks. Too proprietary. Yikes, I'm feeling sorry I asked.

Oh and they're all communists :p

410 Capitalist Tool  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:07:18pm

Chupacabra Lives! Well, sort of, or did, maybe, or...

411 windsagio  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:07:25pm

re: #408 brookly red

The point is don't blame 'baiting', for a self-inflicted wound :p

412 researchok  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:07:32pm

re: #409 marjoriemoon

That made me laugh!

413 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:07:38pm

re: #383 Obdicut

Hoops, you know I'm a total, cold-as-the-grave atheist, and I love the prayer list.

Not because it's religious.

But because it's human.

My heart lifts when I hear gospel music. I sing "God Rest Ye Merry Gentlmen" to myself at Christmas. I love cathedrals. I say "bless you". I think the poetry contained in the Bible and the book of common prayer. I have felt at my most peaceful inside a Taoist temple.

I just don't believe it has meaning outside the human meaning-- which encompasses all of us.

Just a side note.

"God Rest Ye Merry, Gentlemen" is the correct title. As in, God rest you happy, my friends. It has nothing to do with merry gentlemen and everything to do with God making the gentlemen merry.

Just sayin'.

414 What, me worry?  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:07:45pm

re: #355 Aceofwhat?

no, i meant i already said that one!

(but as to your post...we all have classics that we just haven't gotten to yet...don't tell anyone, but i've never seen Casablanca)

Ohhh! I had a miserable day at work and I'm pooped...

(I never saw Casablanca either)

415 brookly red  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:07:52pm

re: #404 windsagio

lol whats the point hten? :D

why does there need to be a point? it is what it is.

416 brownbagj  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:08:13pm

re: #397 Decatur Deb

I will have to use that for our homeschool.

//

417 windsagio  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:08:31pm

re: #415 brookly red

IT IS INDEED WHAT IT IS!

418 Obdicut  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:08:51pm

Okay, here's some awesome humanity stuff:

My 72 year old great-uncle (not actually mine, but my half-brother's, whatever) greeted the census worker by flying a hang-glider out of his converted barn that he lives in and shouting, "I'll be back later".

He's up in Maine; the barn is by the side of a steep slope, and he's an avid hang-glider.

419 CuriousLurker  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:09:02pm

re: #396 windsagio

Whomever it was was annoyed that he was appropriating a chinese concept, didn't like how westerners were all gaga over that stuff.

Ohhh, okay.

420 Mocking Jay  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:09:06pm

re: #408 brookly red

it is what it is.


re: #415 brookly red

it is what it is.

Can we teach you some new phrases, Brook?

421 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:09:10pm

re: #400 Guanxi88

Sin, punishment, and repentance, all in a handy 750 ml bottle. Screwtop, to boot.

tannins and dehydration are migrane triggers for me, amongst other things. on the positive side (if there is a positive side to being migrane-prone), it is literally impossible for me to be alcoholic.

422 brookly red  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:09:13pm

re: #411 windsagio

The point is don't blame 'baiting', for a self-inflicted wound :p

oh I did not blame, the wound was as you said self inflicted...

423 brownbagj  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:09:15pm

re: #402 windsagio

Try craigslist or ebay. Sometimes you can find a SMOKING deal on these things.

424 Digital Display  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:09:18pm

The Little green football prayer list

The special Sabbath edition

On this day in 1984, 21-year-old Vanessa Williams gives up her Miss America title, the first resignation in the pageant's history, after Penthouse magazine announces plans to publish nude photos of the beauty queen in its September issue. Williams originally made history on September 17, 1983, when she became the first black woman to win the Miss America crown. Miss New Jersey, Suzette Charles, the first runner-up and also an African American, assumed Williams' tiara for the two months that remained of her reign.

Lord Almighty we pray this morning for the nation of Israel. Hold up their Navy and give them Strength and wisdom. We pray this morning that you grant grace to the men and women serving in the IDF. Hold your people in your strong arms Dear Lord and protect them forever.
We pray today for the Gulf Coast of America and for all those whose lives are affected by the oil spill. We pray for the environment that is being damaged.
We pray for Roi this morning…Because of the Oil spill he may be out of work.. Find him work we pray.
We pray for our Veterans today. [Link: www.drumhike.com...]
Thanos: Grant healing and strength to our dear friend
Obdicut: My friend Pam, who's ovarian cancer has returned. She's going into chemo again. And she believes in the power of prayer.
Dark_Falcon: His Mother had a stroke..She is getting better.. Please heal her Lord
Jadespring: Dear Lord bring healing to a Sister.. Bring grace and strength to the Family.
We pray for your tender mercies
Wlewisiii: If you would pray as appropriate to your beliefs for John Freuh, his step-mother, my sister Elisabeth & his father Rick, I'd appreciate it.
Dear Lord..We ask you this day you bring healing and grace to SFZ’s Father and Mother-in-law..
Help her in the Job search and finding her a new Career. .
We know your love brings healing and life.
Ausador: Parents
Irenicum: Lord heal this family and bring comfort to them..
Guanxi88: Best wishes and lizard mojo to my wife's best friend. her father committed suicide not two weeks after her mother succumbed to cancer.
Reine: Health and Family.. Lord we ask you grant Reine’s Daughter a Special blessing..Look after her and grant grace.
gregb - 4 year old son who suffered a head injury last Friday and spent the
weekend in the ICU with some lingering effects all week.Jadespring: Our prayers go out to your sister…May she be healed
Baseballmom57: My God grant grace and healing to her son…
lurking faith… prayers for an aunt
Beekiller: Sister has been diagnosed with Cancer…We pray for a speedy recovery
FBV: Add my friend Jeff. Recently diagnosed with ALS. His family will watch him fade and die over the next three to five years. Wife and two kids (kids are young adults).
Veggie Update: For the prayer list, my daughter's boyfriend is going to be moved out of intensive care and into rehab (we hope!) next week... beginning of a long journey.
I want to add thanksgiving that they will be able to do his rehab locally. There was talk that he was going to be moved three to five hours away from his family.
Prairiefire: Health for Family and friends
Mcspiff: if you could add my uncle to the list. He went in for surgery today and it didn't go so well. Extra organs had to come out, etc. Still just hearing bits and pieces now. But any prayers would be greatly appreciated.
Alouette’ Dear Father..His name in Hebrew is Pinhas ben Rivka. , and he is in congestive heart failure. He is 91 years old, and a WW2 Pacific vet.
Reloadingisnotahobby: Could add my parents?
They're in their 80's and slipping in to ALZ...Simultaneously
HoosierHoops: Bring peace and strength to Joe and his family
Thank you Lord..
Amen

425 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:09:24pm

re: #364 iceweasel

426 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:09:44pm

re: #352 researchok

It does and also allows you to buy from lots of vendors, not just Amazon.

That said, the kindle is more expensive.

Huh? Kindle's $180! Ipad is like $600

427 BryanS  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:09:44pm

re: #417 windsagio

IT IS INDEED WHAT IT IS!

It usually is what it is. When it isn't what it is, you get cosmic dissonance. But then again, it depends on what the meaning of is is. //

428 brookly red  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:09:51pm

re: #420 JasonA

Can we teach you some new phrases, Brook?

if it ain't broke don't fix it :)

429 Obdicut  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:09:52pm

re: #413 Cato the Elder

Thanks for that. The phraseology in the song makes it difficult to tell.

I like the concept of a merry rest.

430 researchok  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:10:19pm

re: #426 WindUpBird

Huh? Kindle's $180! Ipad is like $600

I misspoke- it is the IPad that costs an arm and a leg more.

431 windsagio  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:10:43pm

re: #426 WindUpBird

Oh man I wanna start a big topic ragging on Apple now >>

432 brookly red  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:10:56pm

re: #427 BryanS

It usually is what it is. When it isn't what it is, you get cosmic dissonance. But then again, it depends on what the meaning of is is. //

Bill is that you?

433 brownbagj  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:11:15pm

re: #403 researchok

Thanks for the advice. Shopping for tech nowadays is crazy- and it's not like I'm some kind of expert. Hell, I'm barely a half assed user!

I am a bit of a techie, so any questions I can help with I am happy to do so.

Really, it does come down to what you want. If you want a "booklike" reader, go with kindle. If you want a mulitpurpose device that can do reading "ok" go iPad.

The kindle really does prevent eyestrain. I cannot imagine reading at night in bed with an iPad for long. That white screen would cause me headaches, and even though it is small, it would be too much to hold upright for novel type reading.

434 researchok  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:11:23pm

re: #431 windsagio

Oh man I wanna start a big topic ragging on Apple now >>

Bought a new phone, didya?

435 Aye Pod  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:11:24pm

re: #405 Nimed

On the off chance you said that in good faith, take a look at the quotes at the bottom of this comment -- which was posted in this very thread, by the way.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Just like to point out that there is absolutely no way he said that in good faith.
As they say here in Glasgow "This numptie must think we're aw buttoned up the back".

436 Guanxi88  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:11:31pm

re: #428 brookly red

if it ain't broke don't fix it :)

If you ain't for Ali, you ain't Shi'ite.

437 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:11:38pm

re: #399 brookly red

no I expect grief I know where I am :)

Well, then, you might be interested to know that whatever the merits of the case, Charles's "final warning" was directed to Bagua and his antagonists. Without prejudicing any arguments, Charles was just completely sick of the internecine Lizard sniping. I am not taking sides here, or saying Charles was right in not taking sides; it's a simple fact.

Bagua was the one who blew himself up the very next day with a comment that would never have passed muster even if posted by his worst enemies.

So get a fuckin' clue.

438 windsagio  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:11:47pm

re: #434 researchok

A while ago, but it wasn't an iPhone. I'll never give those bastards my money :p

439 CuriousLurker  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:11:49pm

re: #385 brookly red

for one to fight (compete) effectively one must be selfless...

I'm not touching this stuff, brook.

440 Targetpractice  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:12:00pm

re: #384 BryanS

heh. MST3K made a whole show out of the low-grade. Sub low-grade at that.

Yeah, how else would we have ever heard of that cinematic masterpiece, Manos: The Hands of Fate? Or Space Mutiny? Or Santa Claus vs The Martians?

441 What, me worry?  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:12:03pm

re: #362 Guanxi88

Reminds me:

I need to ask the room, I've got some stuff DVR'd:

Killer Shrews

The Manster

Conquest of the Planet of the Apes

And my question is this: Should I go out and get another bottle of Night Train before I sit through these flicks or should I just use some cheap-ass sherry to help strecth supplies of the needful?

I was about 16 with the Ape movies came out and I was hooked. Even watched the stupid TV series and read all the books.

So I would say, even though they got progressively worse, insomuch as you could see the actors wearing ape costumes, if you watch them from start to finish... well you'll be sufficiently blitzed by the time you get to the last one, so it won't matter that they suck.

Hubby is still ranting about the insidious fuckers who made Ipad...

442 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:12:24pm

re: #408 brookly red

yes he was responsible & he paid, so what is the point? it is what it is.

point: sad to lose someone who some of us thought was a friend to baiting churlish, bile-ridden meltdowns.

that's the point.

but enough of this. we're celebrating romance, here, so let's drink to the upcoming reuniting of Obdicut and Jimmah to their more attractive halves!

443 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:12:27pm

re: #409 marjoriemoon

Hubby is now going off on the Ipad because he says it sucks. Too proprietary. Yikes, I'm feeling sorry I asked.

Oh and they're all communists :p

All the ipads are communists? :D

I will say that while I love my iPod touch (wifi web surfing and games whee), I cannot stand the proprietary apple itunes software I need to use with it. I was used to Mediamonkey and my Zen and that worked much better.

444 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:12:42pm

re: #430 researchok

I misspoke- it is the IPad that costs an arm and a leg more.

hahaha ok :D

445 BryanS  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:12:42pm

re: #434 researchok

Bought a new phone, didya?

Yep. My phone jack is workin' great. ////////

446 windsagio  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:12:48pm

re: #437 Cato the Elder

which is kinda annoying, at risk of irking our host, if someones being the aggressor (like bags), a general warning usually isn't as helpful as a specific warning >>

447 researchok  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:12:50pm

re: #433 brownbagj

I am a bit of a techie, so any questions I can help with I am happy to do so.

Really, it does come down to what you want. If you want a "booklike" reader, go with kindle. If you want a mulitpurpose device that can do reading "ok" go iPad.

The kindle really does prevent eyestrain. I cannot imagine reading at night in bed with an iPad for long. That white screen would cause me headaches, and even though it is small, it would be too much to hold upright for novel type reading.

Excellent. I want to get one for myself and one for a friend headed off to Africa for a couple of months. I figure a loaded Kindle is a lot easier to pack.

448 Mocking Jay  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:13:12pm

re: #442 Aceofwhat?

point: sad to lose someone who some of us thought was a friend to baiting churlish, bile-ridden meltdowns.

that's the point.

but enough of this. we're celebrating romance, here, so let's drink to the upcoming reuniting of Obdicut and Jimmah

It's a really funny sentence if you stop reading there.

449 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:13:13pm

re: #418 Obdicut

Okay, here's some awesome humanity stuff:

My 72 year old great-uncle (not actually mine, but my half-brother's, whatever) greeted the census worker by flying a hang-glider out of his converted barn that he lives in and shouting, "I'll be back later".

He's up in Maine; the barn is by the side of a steep slope, and he's an avid hang-glider.

That sounds like a scene from "Chitty-Chitty-Bang-Bang"!

God rest your uncle merry.

450 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:14:09pm

re: #353 brookly red

Ba gua is for those not familiar is a Chinese term for 8 symbols (aka 8 ways) & also a term for a very effective 2 step fighting style (in & out)... sad to lose a warrior to bating IMO.

He wasn't baited, nor was he himself even baiting. He was being deliberately abusive and offensive and he had been at it for some time. Bagua is unworthy of your sympathy, Brookly.

451 CuriousLurker  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:14:13pm

re: #442 Aceofwhat?

but enough of this. we're celebrating romance, here, so let's drink to the upcoming reuniting of Obdicut and Jimmah to their more attractive halves!

*Clinks* with ever-present cup of coffee.

452 Nimed  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:14:23pm

re: #417 windsagio

IT IS INDEED WHAT IT IS!

Because you said that, you have to listen to this music now. It's teh rules.

453 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:14:32pm

re: #447 researchok

Excellent. I want to get one for myself and one for a friend headed off to Africa for a couple of months. I figure a loaded Kindle is a lot easier to pack.

THAT'S something I hadn't considered with the kindle over just hauling books around, travelling

I suppose I should have, considering I'd give myself a stroke if I tried to haul 600 CDs with me while travelling

454 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:14:47pm

re: #429 Obdicut

Thanks for that. The phraseology in the song makes it difficult to tell.

I like the concept of a merry rest.

This kind of confusion is what comes of not paying sufficient attention to commas.

455 researchok  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:14:54pm

re: #438 windsagio

A while ago, but it wasn't an iPhone. I'll never give those bastards my money :p

I need a new phone and provider as well. My work cell is off in a bout 2-3 weeks.

Around mid atlantic, T mobile is now getting good reviews as far as service. I don't know which phone to get though. No blackberry types, for sure.

456 What, me worry?  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:14:57pm

re: #426 WindUpBird

Huh? Kindle's $180! Ipad is like $600

Yikes, we paid like $300 for our kindle.

457 windsagio  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:15:04pm

re: #452 Nimed

Far be it from me to break the rules >

458 Capitalist Tool  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:15:11pm

Upthread there for just a sec, thought that Bagua died.
Now I get it.

459 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:15:26pm

re: #427 BryanS

It usually is what it is. When it isn't what it is, you get cosmic dissonance. But then again, it depends on what the meaning of is is. //

"This planet has — or rather had — a problem, which was this: most of the people living on it were unhappy for pretty much all of the time. Many solutions were suggested for this problem, but most of these were largely concerned with the movement of small green pieces of paper, which was odd because on the whole it wasn't the small green pieces of paper that were unhappy."

460 brookly red  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:15:46pm

well I can sense the dark forces gathering so I choose to leave them hungry :)

a good evening to all.

461 researchok  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:15:51pm

re: #453 WindUpBird

THAT'S something I hadn't considered with the kindle over just hauling books around, travelling

I suppose I should have, considering I'd give myself a stroke if I tried to haul 600 CDs with me while travelling

Ain't that the truth

Hello, IPod- or Zune.

462 CuriousLurker  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:16:02pm

re: #393 windsagio

the iPad is also overpriced trash, so stick with hte kindle. The 'reads like real paper' thing is good for both lighting reasons and eyestrain reasons >

I love my iPad, but it was a gift. I never would've spent that kind of money on something like that.

463 windsagio  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:16:10pm

re: #455 researchok

If you want a smartphone the android 3 is good, and not as expensive as an iphone (phone OR service), and you're not tied to #(*&$ AT&T.

If you don't want a smartphone, its all about the service provider anyways >>

464 Capitalist Tool  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:16:19pm

re: #460 brookly red

smell ya later

465 Obdicut  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:16:33pm

re: #454 Cato the Elder

This kind of confusion is what comes of not paying sufficient attention to commas.

I think the song would probably suffer if it were to be sung as "God rest ye merry comma gentlemen comma let nothing you dismay".

466 researchok  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:16:35pm

re: #456 marjoriemoon

Yikes, we paid like $300 for our kindle.

Price has dropped. Return yours and buy it it again.

467 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:16:36pm

re: #441 marjoriemoon

I need to have a drink with your husband...anyone who can go on for that long about the commies at Apple has to be good company!

468 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:16:51pm

re: #458 Capitalist Tool

Upthread there for just a sec, thought that Bagua died.
Now I get it.

He died and was reborn on the idiots' blog.

469 windsagio  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:17:18pm

re: #468 Cato the Elder

"Resurrection of the flesh"

heh.

470 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:17:25pm

re: #459 Aceofwhat?

"This planet has — or rather had — a problem, which was this: most of the people living on it were unhappy for pretty much all of the time. Many solutions were suggested for this problem, but most of these were largely concerned with the movement of small green pieces of paper, which was odd because on the whole it wasn't the small green pieces of paper that were unhappy."

Vonnegut?

471 researchok  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:17:29pm

re: #463 windsagio

If you want a smartphone the android 3 is good, and not as expensive as an iphone (phone OR service), and you're not tied to #(*&$ AT&T.

If you don't want a smartphone, its all about the service provider anyways >>

Any tips on which droid phone?

472 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:17:40pm

re: #442 Aceofwhat?

point: sad to lose someone who some of us thought was a friend to baiting churlish, bile-ridden meltdowns.

that's the point.

but enough of this. we're celebrating romance, here, so let's drink to the upcoming reuniting of Obdicut and Jimmah to their more attractive halves!

And I've got the perfect vid to celebrate with:

473 What, me worry?  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:17:42pm

re: #443 WindUpBird

All the ipads are communists? :D

I will say that while I love my iPod touch (wifi web surfing and games whee), I cannot stand the proprietary apple itunes software I need to use with it. I was used to Mediamonkey and my Zen and that worked much better.

He really hates anything Apple, but he was kind enough to buy me an iPod nano for my bday.

No, the people at Apple are communist! He rarely gets this excited. Maybe I should take advantage of it!

474 brownbagj  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:17:48pm

re: #447 researchok

It is easier to pack. And, with the wireless turned off, the battery will last for days and days. A great device for long trips with spotty power.

475 Obdicut  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:18:08pm

re: #460 brookly red

I choose to leave them hungry :)

I'm eating an It's-It right now.

I'm going to miss these.

Image: logo.gif

Image: ITSIT_closeup-738293.JPG

476 The Left  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:18:10pm

re: #390 Aceofwhat?

bullshit, dude. i've said dumb shit too...and it was my fault every time, regardless of what i may or may not have been responding to. i don't even know the full story, but don't be a hoser. we're all responsible for what comes out of our keyboards.

Exactly. I don't understand why people are pretending like bannings happen by accident or over one incident. It's pretty damned hard to get banned unless you work at it when you're a regular. Conversely, it's pretty damned easy to avoid it: don't be a tool.

We've had something similar before; people who act jekyll/hyde on the internet. People who wind up over at the stalker blog have made a conscious choice to go All Hyde All the Time.
This always affects the community and upsets people. But it shouldn't be blamed on the people on whom Mr Hyde went all Hyde while he was still here.

You can usually see it coming, and I always assume some real life issues in the persons life are overwhelming them. It is generally a good idea to remember that if you only know someone from their internet postings, you don't really know them.

People who wind up at the stalkers have somehow completely lost normal perspective. It is usually tied to some notion of 'defending their LGF identity' (!!) which is why they will continue on having imaginary conversations with people over here, and Charles, for literally years.

477 Guanxi88  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:18:11pm

re: #470 Cato the Elder

Vonnegut?

Nope - Douglas Adams, Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy.

478 researchok  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:18:25pm

re: #433 brownbagj

I am a bit of a techie, so any questions I can help with I am happy to do so.

Really, it does come down to what you want. If you want a "booklike" reader, go with kindle. If you want a mulitpurpose device that can do reading "ok" go iPad.

The kindle really does prevent eyestrain. I cannot imagine reading at night in bed with an iPad for long. That white screen would cause me headaches, and even though it is small, it would be too much to hold upright for novel type reading.

Any tips on the best droid phone?

479 Capitalist Tool  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:18:40pm

re: #468 Cato the Elder

He died and was reborn on the idiots' blog.

Which idiots blog...
(just a hint- no full names... ya know?)


Nevermind- I really don't give a damn.

480 windsagio  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:18:54pm

re: #471 researchok

Don't know enough about them, 3 months ago when I got mine I got whatever the one that had just come out was (the HTC myTouch 3gs), just checked hard enough to make sure they were way cheaper than the apple alternative.

481 Aye Pod  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:18:56pm

re: #460 brookly red

well I can sense the dark forces gathering so I choose to leave them hungry :)

a good evening to all.

Hey creep, you forgot to post your song to bagua :

482 The Left  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:19:13pm

re: #446 windsagio

which is kinda annoying, at risk of irking our host, if someones being the aggressor (like bags), a general warning usually isn't as helpful as a specific warning >>

You can generally tell by timeouts and deletions, though.

483 BryanS  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:19:28pm

re: #460 brookly red

well I can sense the dark forces gathering so I choose to leave them hungry :)

a good evening to all.

Most of this thread has been about as deep as the lede --Girl Raised from Birth by Wolf.

Now if anyone wants controversy, read this:

James Web:Diversity and the Myth of White Privilege

484 What, me worry?  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:19:32pm

re: #467 Aceofwhat?

I need to have a drink with your husband...anyone who can go on for that long about the commies at Apple has to be good company!

Some days I'm thankful he doesn't have a login :p

You're in N. Fla? If we ever get up that way, I'll give ya a ringy dingy.

485 Capitalist Tool  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:19:44pm

re: #473 marjoriemoon

Does he know that Rush Limbaugh is a staunch Apple/Mac advocate?

486 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:19:55pm

re: #461 researchok

Ain't that the truth

Hello, IPod- or Zune.

I had a Zune briefly in between the Zen Vision I had and my iPod. I got it for $70 off a refurb site, it was an astounding deal for a 30GB player, worked well, nice interface, not too fancy, then it got stolen :(

Also i kept having trouble with the Zune software. It's ALWAYS THE STUPID PROPRIETARY SOFTWARE :(

487 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:20:08pm

re: #437 Cato the Elder

Well, then, you might be interested to know that whatever the merits of the case, Charles's "final warning" was directed to Bagua and his antagonists. Without prejudicing any arguments, Charles was just completely sick of the internecine Lizard sniping. I am not taking sides here, or saying Charles was right in not taking sides; it's a simple fact.

Bagua was the one who blew himself up the very next day with a comment that would never have passed muster even if posted by his worst enemies.

So get a fuckin' clue.

I guess he snapped.

488 researchok  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:20:35pm

re: #480 windsagio

Don't know enough about them, 3 months ago when I got mine I got whatever the one that had just come out was (the HTC myTouch 3gs), just checked hard enough to make sure they were way cheaper than the apple alternative.

Gotcha. I'm hoping BrownBag might know.

The only thing I excel at from a tech standpoint is paying.

489 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:20:41pm

re: #484 marjoriemoon

Some days I'm thankful he doesn't have a login :p

Is he a Linux guy? :D

490 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:20:45pm

re: #470 Cato the Elder

Vonnegut?

sigh

no

Adams (Douglas, not John)

491 Aye Pod  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:20:50pm

re: #442 Aceofwhat?

point: sad to lose someone who some of us thought was a friend to baiting churlish, bile-ridden meltdowns.

that's the point.

but enough of this. we're celebrating romance, here, so let's drink to the upcoming reuniting of Obdicut and Jimmah to their more attractive halves!

I'll second that! Cheers to Obdi and his wife from ice and me :) Awra best mate :)

492 Obdicut  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:21:00pm

Wow. Watching a show on Army Ants right now.

The people in the building they just invaded, in Costa Rica, love them. Why? Because they kill every pest in the building, every bug, pick up every crumb of discarded food, and then, when they've done, pack up and move off.

493 windsagio  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:21:03pm

re: #483 BryanS

Christ my head.

The whole point of the concept of 'privilege' is that you never see it if you have it >>

494 researchok  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:21:24pm

re: #486 WindUpBird

I had a Zune briefly in between the Zen Vision I had and my iPod. I got it for $70 off a refurb site, it was an astounding deal for a 30GB player, worked well, nice interface, not too fancy, then it got stolen :(

Also i kept having trouble with the Zune software. It's ALWAYS THE STUPID PROPRIETARY SOFTWARE :(

IPod takes the lead...

496 prairiefire  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:21:46pm

re: #490 Aceofwhat?

Thanks for all the fish!

497 The Left  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:21:48pm

re: #446 windsagio

which is kinda annoying, at risk of irking our host, if someones being the aggressor (like bags), a general warning usually isn't as helpful as a specific warning >>

It's pretty damn annoying for people to pretend that Bagua had 'antagonists', when my 'anatgonism' towards him consisted in repeatedly asking him to leave me alone.

498 Guanxi88  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:21:54pm

re: #492 Obdicut

Wow. Watching a show on Army Ants right now.

The people in the building they just invaded, in Costa Rica, love them. Why? Because they kill every pest in the building, every bug, pick up every crumb of discarded food, and then, when they've done, pack up and move off.

I've got relatives who do the first couple things on the list; the last one, though, they need help with.

499 What, me worry?  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:21:58pm

re: #485 Capitalist Tool

Does he know that Rush Limbaugh is a staunch Apple/Mac advocate?

Mr. Tool, that ain't helping, trust me.

500 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:22:10pm

re: #481 Jimmah

re: #482 iceweasel

Check out #472.

501 What, me worry?  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:22:58pm

re: #489 WindUpBird

Is he a Linux guy? :D

No hehe... but a PC purist, I guess one would say. DOS based purist, windows based? DOS is no more.

502 Guanxi88  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:23:00pm

re: #493 windsagio

Christ my head.

The whole point of the concept of 'privilege' is that you never see it if you have it >>

Like the subconscious mind.

503 Targetpractice  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:23:02pm

re: #486 WindUpBird

I had a Zune briefly in between the Zen Vision I had and my iPod. I got it for $70 off a refurb site, it was an astounding deal for a 30GB player, worked well, nice interface, not too fancy, then it got stolen :(

Also i kept having trouble with the Zune software. It's ALWAYS THE STUPID PROPRIETARY SOFTWARE :(

Zune beats iPod by a mile. Why? Because while they both require the proprietary software, you have to jigger with the iPod to play any MP3s you might have downloaded from other sources. Zune? So long as there's no DRMs on the MP3, it'll recognize it, sync it, and find album art for it.

504 BryanS  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:23:09pm

re: #493 windsagio

Christ my head.

The whole point of the concept of 'privilege' is that you never see it if you have it >>

Heh :) That, and coming from, albeit conservative, Dem Senator Web is fun in a politics wonk sort of way.

505 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:23:34pm

re: #484 marjoriemoon

Some days I'm thankful he doesn't have a login :p

You're in N. Fla? If we ever get up that way, I'll give ya a ringy dingy.

Yes, Jacksonville. My email is my nic at gmail, but without the question mark - i'd love to hear from you anytime you're in the area!

506 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:23:37pm

re: #441 marjoriemoon

I was about 16 with the Ape movies came out and I was hooked. Even watched the stupid TV series and read all the books.

So I would say, even though they got progressively worse, insomuch as you could see the actors wearing ape costumes, if you watch them from start to finish... well you'll be sufficiently blitzed by the time you get to the last one, so it won't matter that they suck.

Hubby is still ranting about the insidious fuckers who made Ipad...

We literally did exactly that a few years back, my friends and I (windsagio was there!) got drunk and had a marathon of all five Ape movies.

The second one I think is actually the worst. :D The first is the best, and they get progressively lower budget, but the second one is cringe-inducingly awful. The one about the ape revolution (four, I think) is actually sorta charming in a cheezy tv-movie way

I HATE EVERY APE I SEE
FROM CHIMPAN-A TO CHIMPAN-Z

507 researchok  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:23:43pm

re: #503 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Zune beats iPod by a mile. Why? Because while they both require the proprietary software, you have to jigger with the iPod to play any MP3s you might have downloaded from other sources. Zune? So long as there's no DRMs on the MP3, it'll recognize it, sync it, and find album art for it.

Zune pulls ahead...

508 CuriousLurker  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:23:58pm

Cato, did you already give me the name and I missed it? I'm have a hard time keeping up when stuff starts flying fast like this..

509 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:24:22pm

re: #494 researchok

IPod takes the lead...

Well, except for the fact that the iPod cost three times as much as the refurb Zune :D

510 Nimed  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:24:36pm

re: #486 WindUpBird

I had a Zune briefly in between the Zen Vision I had and my iPod. I got it for $70 off a refurb site, it was an astounding deal for a 30GB player, worked well, nice interface, not too fancy, then it got stolen :(

Also i kept having trouble with the Zune software. It's ALWAYS THE STUPID PROPRIETARY SOFTWARE :(

How I feel about Linux and BSD

511 researchok  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:24:48pm

re: #506 WindUpBird

I HATE EVERY APE I SEE
FROM CHIMPAN-A TO CHIMPAN-Z

Charlton Heston, Planet of the Apes.

512 What, me worry?  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:24:48pm

re: #494 researchok

IPod takes the lead...

I'm not thrilled with the Ipod. I've had it maybe 2 years and it's temperamental. Meaning that it jumps from song to song while in mid-song. Sometimes the volume rotating, circle thingy doesn't work. But I haven't tried anything else.

513 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:25:24pm

Knocking off early--we are raising another house tomorrow, and will start well before the Lower Alabama sun knocks us off the walls. I will now pimp my favorite revolutionaries, Habitat: Volunteers from five churches and a few quiet agnostics will work in a race-immaterial team. I don't yet know if the family that gets the house is black or white. That's how you drive a stake through the heart of the beast. 'Nite, all.

514 researchok  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:25:24pm

re: #512 marjoriemoon

I'm not thrilled with the Ipod. I've had it maybe 2 years and it's temperamental. Meaning that it jumps from song to song while in mid-song. Sometimes the volume rotating, circle thingy doesn't work. But I haven't tried anything else.

Man, I need to dig out that 8-track...

515 brownbagj  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:25:31pm

re: #478 researchok

You had to ask the one are of technology where I have little experience. :)

The best you can do, honestly, is decide again on what features you will use most often.

If typing, I would get a real keyboard. If taking pictures and general messaging get the best camera.

Droid should be an equalizer as all droid apps will work on any droid device. The key again is put your hands on the devices and try doing what you will do most often. So often, people buy the latest whiz-bang gadget that looks cool but sucks at what they do most. Just don't let that happen to you.

Also, any provider (AT&T, Sprint etc) should give you at least two weeks to try the device and return it for another if you do not like it. Do not let them think the decision is final.

516 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:25:47pm

re: #487 Spare O'Lake

I guess he snapped.

No, he didn't lose it. He was attacking Iceweasel as part of a planned offensive. I'm not entirely sure what he wanted to accomplish (other than being an abusive ass), but my guess is that he was trying to run Iceweasel off this blog. Again, it was an organized campaign of harassment.

517 windsagio  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:25:49pm

R:

You should probably just get some kinda smartphone anyways, since you need to replace your phone too.

No point in having a separate MP3 player now.

518 Mocking Jay  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:25:51pm

Whenever I hear "Planet of the Apes" I cannot help but replay Troy McClure doing it on Broadway in my head.

519 Obdicut  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:25:58pm

re: #483 BryanS

He's half-right.

Programs designed to overcome economic poverty should be applied to, well, people in poverty, not based on race.

However, there is still substantial race-based discrimination in hiring, and, hugely, in our justice system. Diversity programs can have indirect effects, especially in the justice system.

It's a good, but narrow article.

520 The Left  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:26:07pm

re: #500 Dark_Falcon

re: #482 iceweasel

Check out #472.

ha-- YAY! Kitteh sex!
Jimmah's cats are in heat and have lesbian sex btw. :(

/TMI?

521 researchok  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:26:13pm

re: #513 Decatur Deb

Knocking off early--we are raising another house tomorrow, and will start well before the Lower Alabama sun knocks us off the walls. I will now pimp my favorite revolutionaries, Habitat: Volunteers from five churches and a few quiet agnostics will work in a race-immaterial team. I don't yet know if the family that gets the house is black or white. That's how you drive a stake through the heart of the beast. 'Nite, all.

Class act.

522 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:26:41pm

re: #503 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Zune beats iPod by a mile. Why? Because while they both require the proprietary software, you have to jigger with the iPod to play any MP3s you might have downloaded from other sources. Zune? So long as there's no DRMs on the MP3, it'll recognize it, sync it, and find album art for it.

Well, on itunes, I just drag my Mp3s manually into the player. I have an emusic account ( EMUSIC IS AWESOME!!) and I haven't had problems. it is time consuming though. I don't do any of the automatic sync stuff.

My problem with itunes is it just brings my machine to a screeching halt, it doesn't give me feedback on whether stuff is properly copied over, it takes many times as long as my Zen to copy music, it's just slow and sluggish and constantly demanding updates and chugging while it serves you ads and ugh.

523 Targetpractice  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:27:24pm

Way I see it, if you're just looking for a good MP3 player that's (fairly) hassle-free, go with the Zune. If you want all the bells and whistles, particularly Apps, go with the iPod.

524 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:27:26pm

re: #496 prairiefire

Thanks for all the fish!

THANK you...you and Guanxi are saving me from Cato right now...i declare it just as criminal to be ignorant of Adams as it is criminal to be ignorant of Vonnegut...

525 Donna Ballard  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:27:38pm

Hi Boys and Girls! How's everybody this lovely Friday evening?

526 BryanS  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:27:44pm

re: #519 Obdicut

He's half-right.

Programs designed to overcome economic poverty should be applied to, well, people in poverty, not based on race.

However, there is still substantial race-based discrimination in hiring, and, hugely, in our justice system. Diversity programs can have indirect effects, especially in the justice system.

It's a good, but narrow article.

Funny enough, that seemed to me exactly what Ms Sherrod was saying in her unedited speech.

527 Digital Display  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:28:19pm

re: #525 Dragon_Lady

Hi Boys and Girls! How's everybody this lovely Friday evening?

Hi You! It's been awhile...

528 Obdicut  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:28:43pm

re: #516 Dark_Falcon

Not just Ice, either.

He also did make the claim that most of the major financial institutions were owned by Jews. That was what made me decide that I could never treat him as anything other than a crazy person, an antisemite, or a troll.

And that's the last thing I'll ever have to say about him from now on, which is nice.

529 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:28:49pm

re: #517 windsagio

R:

You should probably just get some kinda smartphone anyways, since you need to replace your phone too.

No point in having a separate MP3 player now.

Welllll it's all about the interface. Smartphone interface is probably going to be clunkier than a dedicated MP3 player.

530 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:28:57pm

re: #497 iceweasel

It's pretty damn annoying for people to pretend that Bagua had 'antagonists', when my 'anatgonism' towards him consisted in repeatedly asking him to leave me alone.

come on...we're toasting reunions now...cheer up! here's to 80 years of bliss - i hit 10 years last month!

531 researchok  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:28:59pm

re: #515 brownbagj

You had to ask the one are of technology where I have little experience. :)

The best you can do, honestly, is decide again on what features you will use most often.

If typing, I would get a real keyboard. If taking pictures and general messaging get the best camera.

Droid should be an equalizer as all droid apps will work on any droid device. The key again is put your hands on the devices and try doing what you will do most often. So often, people buy the latest whiz-bang gadget that looks cool but sucks at what they do most. Just don't let that happen to you.

Also, any provider (AT&T, Sprint etc) should give you at least two weeks to try the device and return it for another if you do not like it. Do not let them think the decision is final.

Good advice, thanks.

Around here, Mid Atlantic, TMobile has overtaken ATT as best provider.

Now that I have your attention, I'm in the market for a new PC.

I'm not a power user image wise, but I do use spreadsheets.

Also, I want a really, really cool HD screen with 16:9 display.

Ideas?

532 What, me worry?  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:29:21pm

re: #503 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Zune beats iPod by a mile. Why? Because while they both require the proprietary software, you have to jigger with the iPod to play any MP3s you might have downloaded from other sources. Zune? So long as there's no DRMs on the MP3, it'll recognize it, sync it, and find album art for it.

I've been able to d/l to my ipad from other sources pretty easy. sharepad.com I believe is the site.

533 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:29:23pm

re: #520 iceweasel

ha-- YAY! Kitteh sex!
Jimmah's cats are in heat and have lesbian sex btw. :(

/TMI?

No, it's funny.

534 Targetpractice  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:29:43pm

re: #522 WindUpBird

Well, on itunes, I just drag my Mp3s manually into the player. I have an emusic account ( EMUSIC IS AWESOME!!) and I haven't had problems. it is time consuming though. I don't do any of the automatic sync stuff.

My problem with itunes is it just brings my machine to a screeching halt, it doesn't give me feedback on whether stuff is properly copied over, it takes many times as long as my Zen to copy music, it's just slow and sluggish and constantly demanding updates and chugging while it serves you ads and ugh.

The only reason I keep iTunes on my computer right now is that I've bought a couple songs and videos that I couldn't find on Bearshare, plus my sister bought me an iPod Touch for my birthday a couple months back and experience with hers tells me keeping my iPod synced regularly is a very good idea.

535 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:29:58pm

re: #523 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Way I see it, if you're just looking for a good MP3 player that's (fairly) hassle-free, go with the Zune. If you want all the bells and whistles, particularly Apps, go with the iPod.

The Creative Zen is also awesome, and best of all, it plays much more nicely with aftermarket syncing software.

The Zune is going to be cheaper on refurb sites, though.

536 researchok  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:30:14pm

re: #522 WindUpBird

Well, on itunes, I just drag my Mp3s manually into the player. I have an emusic account ( EMUSIC IS AWESOME!!) and I haven't had problems. it is time consuming though. I don't do any of the automatic sync stuff.

My problem with itunes is it just brings my machine to a screeching halt, it doesn't give me feedback on whether stuff is properly copied over, it takes many times as long as my Zen to copy music, it's just slow and sluggish and constantly demanding updates and chugging while it serves you ads and ugh.

Zune pulls ahead by a length...

537 The Left  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:30:21pm

re: #516 Dark_Falcon

No, he didn't lose it. He was attacking Iceweasel as part of a planned offensive. I'm not entirely sure what he wanted to accomplish (other than being an abusive ass), but my guess is that he was trying to run Iceweasel off this blog. Again, it was an organized campaign of harassment.

This is why I started responding to him only to ask him to stop, by the way. I don't know what his general damage was or his goal, but it was clear to me that one intent was, and is, to provoke me into responding in kind. One of the goals was to play dumb and lie about it, in order to drag as many people into it as possible.

That would in turn eventually put Charles in the position of banning everyone involved.
It's not going to happen.

538 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:30:37pm

re: #516 Dark_Falcon

No, he didn't lose it. He was attacking Iceweasel as part of a planned offensive. I'm not entirely sure what he wanted to accomplish (other than being an abusive ass), but my guess is that he was trying to run Iceweasel off this blog. Again, it was an organized campaign of harassment.

So at the end he must have WANTED to get banned. Well then, he was granted his wish. Finito.

539 researchok  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:30:44pm

re: #535 WindUpBird

The Creative Zen is also awesome, and best of all, it plays much more nicely with aftermarket syncing software.

The Zune is going to be cheaper on refurb sites, though.

Have you used it?

540 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:31:15pm

re: #531 researchok

BenQ LCD screens are what a lot of my friends swear by, they're proper 16x9, good color reproduction. I use my Cintiq as my screen so I'm not in the market for a dedicated LCD monitor.

541 Donna Ballard  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:31:21pm

re: #527 HoosierHoops

Hi You! It's been awhile...

Yeah, I know. RWC likes to dominate the compooter every evening and my days are busy even though I'm not working. I told him tonight that I want a compooter of my own! I'm tired of his domination of the web! As it is the only reason I'm on tonight is he's at a board meeting with the "Grumpy Old Men" as he calls them so I can actually have some keyboard time.

542 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:31:23pm

re: #493 windsagio

Christ my head.

The whole point of the concept of 'privilege' is that you never see it if you have it >>

If you would just start posting these wise comments (I gave you an upding) without the stupid emoticons, we would get along so much better...

543 CuriousLurker  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:31:37pm

re: #520 iceweasel

ha-- YAY! Kitteh sex!
Jimmah's cats are in heat and have lesbian sex btw. :(

/TMI?

When my younger female cat is in heat she does the bump & grind with chair legs. It's really cringe inducing when I have company over.

544 What, me worry?  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:31:39pm

re: #506 WindUpBird

We literally did exactly that a few years back, my friends and I (windsagio was there!) got drunk and had a marathon of all five Ape movies.

The second one I think is actually the worst. :D The first is the best, and they get progressively lower budget, but the second one is cringe-inducingly awful. The one about the ape revolution (four, I think) is actually sorta charming in a cheezy tv-movie way

I HATE EVERY APE I SEE
FROM CHIMPAN-A TO CHIMPAN-Z

Well they ran outa budget so they only had enough to make up like 5 apes, so that explains the later movies.

But ya gotta love the second one. Wasn't that the mutant one where they all pray to the bomb?

545 Aye Pod  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:31:45pm

re: #472 Dark_Falcon

And I've got the perfect vid to celebrate with:


[Video]

Heh. I have some lesbian cat sex (actuially my cats - females from the same litter - are both on heat just now and doing this a LOT)

546 Achilles Tang  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:32:03pm

Well that was a surprise, about stalkers etc, but then again I've been surprised and disappointed before in my life. I suppose if I had more time for here I might have had an inkling, but I wouldn't know a stalker blog from someone with a court order to stay 1000 feet from a school.

I do however find it a little disturbing at the ease with which some downding posts that they pretty obviously don't understand.

Personally I think, and I've said so before, downdinging an established member without comment is just a finger in the face.

No class at all.

547 What, me worry?  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:32:09pm

re: #506 WindUpBird

We literally did exactly that a few years back, my friends and I (windsagio was there!) got drunk and had a marathon of all five Ape movies.

The second one I think is actually the worst. :D The first is the best, and they get progressively lower budget, but the second one is cringe-inducingly awful. The one about the ape revolution (four, I think) is actually sorta charming in a cheezy tv-movie way

I HATE EVERY APE I SEE
FROM CHIMPAN-A TO CHIMPAN-Z

Troy McClure always makes me sad :(

548 researchok  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:32:12pm

re: #540 WindUpBird

BenQ LCD screens are what a lot of my friends swear by, they're proper 16x9, good color reproduction. I use my Cintiq as my screen so I'm not in the market for a dedicated LCD monitor.

What do you recommend for a system?

(I'm moving soon- this is costing me a fortune!)

549 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:32:59pm

re: #539 researchok

Have you used it?

I've owned an Ipod Touch, a Creative Zen Vision, and a 30GB "original" Zune. They all had their advantages and disadvantages. I'm missing aftermarket syncing software more and more :P

550 brownbagj  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:33:19pm

re: #531 researchok

Will try to reply in a bit - little girl is going to sleep holding my left hand so typing is no tough. :)

If I cannot reply tonight hit me some time tomorrow, ok? i am happy to help.

551 windsagio  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:33:35pm

re: #542 Cato the Elder

I like 'em because they give some idea of what kind of emotion the post is supposed to convey, which is a problem with online chat otherwise.

Also deeply ingrained habit! (although I managed to hold back for this post)

552 researchok  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:33:53pm

re: #537 iceweasel

This is why I started responding to him only to ask him to stop, by the way. I don't know what his general damage was or his goal, but it was clear to me that one intent was, and is, to provoke me into responding in kind. One of the goals was to play dumb and lie about it, in order to drag as many people into it as possible.

That would in turn eventually put Charles in the position of banning everyone involved.
It's not going to happen.

I wanted to provoke you the other day, speaking of Rangel and NY politics...but noooo, you had to agree...

//

553 Obdicut  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:33:53pm

re: #526 BryanS

Funny enough, that seemed to me exactly what Ms Sherrod was saying in her unedited speech.

Yes, definitely-- the have and the have nots.

I mean, take myself. I'm technically hispanic-- my Jewish ancestors are from the Spanish Caribbean and Central America, which makes me 'Hispanic'.

I would never, ever, take any sort of benefit being offered to Hispanics, because I have had extraordinary privilege in my life. Both my parents are academics, we climbed our way from barely middle class to pretty comfortable while I was a kid, and we know tons and tons of people in all walks of life. I don't deserve a helping hand; I should be helping others.

554 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:34:01pm

re: #533 Dark_Falcon

No, it's funny.

I once ended up having to spend a week dogsitting two whippets, one of whom was in heat.

Lord, I wish there had been another whippet in heat for her to have lesbian sex with. Instead we had her baffled, neutered buddy, who, responding to some trace instinct would mount her and then, I swear, look at ME, as though asking "This? Right? Am I helping?"

555 windsagio  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:34:11pm

re: #544 marjoriemoon

Well they ran outa budget so they only had enough to make up like 5 apes, so that explains the later movies.

But ya gotta love the second one. Wasn't that the mutant one where they all pray to the bomb?

It was indeed!

556 What, me worry?  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:34:11pm

re: #514 researchok

Man, I need to dig out that 8-track...

I'm cheap. I usually go with the best buy on these things.

If you've waited this long, maybe you should wait to Christmas season to get a good sale?

557 researchok  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:34:30pm

re: #550 brownbagj

Will try to reply in a bit - little girl is going to sleep holding my left hand so typing is no tough. :)

If I cannot reply tonight hit me some time tomorrow, ok? i am happy to help.

NP!

any and all advice is welcome- and needed!

558 webevintage  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:34:33pm

re: #536 researchok

Zune pulls ahead by a length...

I really only use the ipod touch for the kindle app, youtube and listening to music and I have no problem with moving music from itunes to the ipod...but I'm not that big into music.
Mostly I read and watch videos.
But I hate doing the internet on something as small as the ipod.

559 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:34:38pm

re: #546 Naso Tang

Downdinged for humour.

560 Donna Ballard  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:34:38pm

re: #520 iceweasel

ha-- YAY! Kitteh sex!
Jimmah's cats are in heat and have lesbian sex btw. :(

/TMI?

It really is funny! I once saw a male cat do a domination of another male cat via the mating position. Not a mental picture I really like to recall but it was funny at the time.
P.S. Congratulations on getting your Visa! RWC told me but he takes over the compooter every evening so I haven't been able to send my felicitations to you and Jimmah.

561 What, me worry?  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:35:15pm

re: #513 Decatur Deb

Knocking off early--we are raising another house tomorrow, and will start well before the Lower Alabama sun knocks us off the walls. I will now pimp my favorite revolutionaries, Habitat: Volunteers from five churches and a few quiet agnostics will work in a race-immaterial team. I don't yet know if the family that gets the house is black or white. That's how you drive a stake through the heart of the beast. 'Nite, all.

You rock, DD :>

562 researchok  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:35:26pm

re: #556 marjoriemoon

I'm cheap. I usually go with the best buy on these things.

If you've waited this long, maybe you should wait to Christmas season to get a good sale?

Can't. Need at least one reader in the month. Friend headed off to Africa. Looking at dirt roads gets old after 20 minutes..

563 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:35:33pm

re: #548 researchok

What do you recommend for a system?

(I'm moving soon- this is costing me a fortune!)

My friends have gone here: [Link: www.pugetsystems.com...] for their $2000 gaming rigs, they love 'em. Once I finally get rid of my laptop and get a desktop as my primary machine, I'm going through them.

They do custom machines, workstations, gaming rigs, and they're very focused on the failure rate of components, really honest, nerdy crowd. They literally check out their systems with infrared to make sure there's no weird overheating chokepoints before they send them out. GREAT customer service, I'm so done with big institutional computer manufacturers, it's all about the customer service.

564 The Left  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:35:45pm

re: #530 Aceofwhat?

come on...we're toasting reunions now...cheer up! here's to 80 years of bliss - i hit 10 years last month!

HEY, congrats!!!! and thanks. I can't remember if you mentioned your anniversary? Think I saw it? (so sorry, really poor memory right now)
Much blessings. :)

565 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:36:02pm

re: #520 iceweasel

ha-- YAY! Kitteh sex!
Jimmah's cats are in heat and have lesbian sex btw. :(

/TMI?

Well, since you ASKED...
YES!

566 Guanxi88  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:36:13pm

re: #549 WindUpBird

I've owned an Ipod Touch, a Creative Zen Vision, and a 30GB "original" Zune. They all had their advantages and disadvantages. I'm missing aftermarket syncing software more and more :P

Ya know, all this tech-talk might as well be in Basque, for all I can comprehend of it.

Me? My car's radio gets FM stations, but ya can't hear anything in it cause the a/c's shot and, this being south-central texas, I gotta keep all windows down and drive about 80 mph to keep from roasting to death. If I had enough sunscreen, I'd consider driving more or less as the Good Lord made me, the heat's so awful. As it is, I drive to work at about 5 in the am and hang out there (fully clothed) till around 8 in the pm. It helps, a little.

567 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:36:13pm

Hold on.

Hold hard a minute!

I just had a vision.

Andy Breitbart sprints back in time, to 1968, just before MLK gets murdered.

And Andy posts a scurrilous attack piece on MLK and how he's a racist and shit. And gets big-time attention from the 1968 media.

And then the next day, MLK gets murdered, and Andy goes on teevee and says "that is not what I meant at all; that is not it, at all", and how he was just pointing out that black people can be racists and we ought to pound their asses when they do that shit.

Sometimes I have these visions.

Mostly I hope I'm full of crap.

568 researchok  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:36:54pm

re: #558 webevintage

I really only use the ipod touch for the kindle app, youtube and listening to music and I have no problem with moving music from itunes to the ipod...but I'm not that big into music.
Mostly I read and watch videos.
But I hate doing the internet on something as small as the ipod.

I wouldn't get it for surfing.

I can't type on a regular sized keyboard...smaller isn't going to make things better.

569 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:37:36pm

re: #564 iceweasel

HEY, congrats!!! and thanks. I can't remember if you mentioned your anniversary? Think I saw it? (so sorry, really poor memory right now)
Much blessings. :)

no i didn't...i pulled it out as a weapon to get us on a happier train of thought...

570 researchok  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:37:47pm

re: #563 WindUpBird

My friends have gone here: [Link: www.pugetsystems.com...] for their $2000 gaming rigs, they love 'em. Once I finally get rid of my laptop and get a desktop as my primary machine, I'm going through them.

They do custom machines, workstations, gaming rigs, and they're very focused on the failure rate of components, really honest, nerdy crowd. They literally check out their systems with infrared to make sure there's no weird overheating chokepoints before they send them out. GREAT customer service, I'm so done with big institutional computer manufacturers, it's all about the customer service.

I saw them- pretty cool.

Have you seen the all in one touch screens? If you have, opinion?

571 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:38:07pm

re: #551 windsagio

I like 'em because they give some idea of what kind of emotion the post is supposed to convey, which is a problem with online chat otherwise.

Also deeply ingrained habit! (although I managed to hold back for this post)

Dude. Please enroll in Cato's School of Roughhouse Rhetoric. I'll teach you to express yourself with words that no one can mistake the meaning of. And, because you're a Lizard in good standing, you get a discount.

572 The Left  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:38:23pm

re: #552 researchok

I wanted to provoke you the other day, speaking of Rangel and NY politics...but nooo, you had to agree...

//

I just did it to provoke you though. :(

Heh,-- what could I say? When you're right, you're right! (even when you're on the right, damn you!) (kidding!)
What's up with your move? Are you going far? (sorry if you said, i'm missing most of this thread). I can't really help with the cool electronic stuff but if it's overseas I might be able to help.

573 Capitalist Tool  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:38:48pm

Conspiracy theory alert!!!

Now don't tell anyone I told you, but...

a few of days an unnamed friend of mine told me about catching wind of a dark conspiracy afoot to introduce tropical/South American hemorrhagic agents into our population...
something called cocoliztle (sp) and dengue fever, et al.

Now this...

574 Guanxi88  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:38:55pm

re: #571 Cato the Elder

Dude. Please enroll in Cato's School of Roughhouse Rhetoric. I'll teach you to express yourself with words that no one can mistake the meaning of. And, because you're a Lizard in good standing, you get a discount.

This way to the egress! Don't miss the egress!

575 Achilles Tang  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:39:12pm

re: #559 Spare O'Lake

Downdinged for humour.

Your humor or mine?

576 Donna Ballard  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:39:19pm

re: #534 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

The only reason I keep iTunes on my computer right now is that I've bought a couple songs and videos that I couldn't find on Bearshare, plus my sister bought me an iPod Touch for my birthday a couple months back and experience with hers tells me keeping my iPod synced regularly is a very good idea.

I got an ipod touch for Christmas from RWC and I love it! I try to sync it on a regular basis, but sometimes I forget. Of course I have mostly games and music on it and its basically a toy for me when I get board, but what I really want is a ipad! RWC says nooo waaay! I guess one apple product in the house is almost too much for him, he's definatly a pc guy.

577 Aye Pod  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:39:39pm

re: #543 CuriousLurker

When my younger female cat is in heat she does the bump & grind with chair legs. It's really cringe inducing when I have company over.

Oh yes - they love the chairs. Mines will stand on the chair, with her front paws on the back,and rub her head on the corner.First it starts of with a low but impossible to ignore purring whimper, gradually building up over about 10 minutes to raucous sexual screaming and roaring. It's like that scene from "When Harry Met Sally" all over again.

578 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:39:46pm

re: #566 Guanxi88

Ya know, all this tech-talk might as well be in Basque, for all I can comprehend of it.

Me? My car's radio gets FM stations, but ya can't hear anything in it cause the a/c's shot and, this being south-central texas, I gotta keep all windows down and drive about 80 mph to keep from roasting to death. If I had enough sunscreen, I'd consider driving more or less as the Good Lord made me, the heat's so awful. As it is, I drive to work at about 5 in the am and hang out there (fully clothed) till around 8 in the pm. It helps, a little.

When I was in college, I had a crappy portable CD player I got for $10 at the Goodwill wired to a cassette deck. GOOD TIMES

579 brownbagj  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:40:31pm

re: #570 researchok

i will try to type wth one hand....

they are overpriced. you get less computer for the money due to the touchscreen.

580 Guanxi88  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:40:45pm

re: #578 WindUpBird

When I was in college, I had a crappy portable CD player I got for $10 at the Goodwill wired to a cassette deck. GOOD TIMES

This car - Fritz the Diesel Death Snail - was made at a time when a tape deck was not among the options offered by M/B. Yeah, he's that old.

581 researchok  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:40:54pm

re: #572 iceweasel

I just did it to provoke you though. :(

Heh,-- what could I say? When you're right, you're right! (even when you're on the right, damn you!) (kidding!)
What's up with your move? Are you going far? (sorry if you said, i'm missing most of this thread). I can't really help with the cool electronic stuff but if it's overseas I might be able to help.

Headed off to VA Beach. My work is ending and I'm going to head off on my own.

Starting my own biz.

582 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:41:01pm

re: #570 researchok

I saw them- pretty cool.

Have you seen the all in one touch screens? If you have, opinion?

I've seen them at Best Buy, but I have no need for one because my digital workflow is all through this thing, so I have no idea *_*

583 CuriousLurker  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:41:17pm

re: #577 Jimmah

Oh yes - they love the chairs. Mines will stand on the chair, with her front paws on the back,and rub her head on the corner.First it starts of with a low but impossible to ignore purring whimper, gradually building up over about 10 minutes to raucous sexual screaming and roaring. It's like that scene from "When Harry Met Sally" all over again.

LOL, exactly!

584 Obdicut  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:41:25pm

re: #563 WindUpBird

My friends have gone here: [Link: www.pugetsystems.com...] for their $2000 gaming rigs, they love 'em. Once I finally get rid of my laptop and get a desktop as my primary machine, I'm going through them.

They do custom machines, workstations, gaming rigs, and they're very focused on the failure rate of components, really honest, nerdy crowd. They literally check out their systems with infrared to make sure there's no weird overheating chokepoints before they send them out. GREAT customer service, I'm so done with big institutional computer manufacturers, it's all about the customer service.

I will back you up 100% on that. Of all the custom gaming companies, they're the only one I know that are honest. Most of the other companies subcontract, and often change names (Cyberpower split another identical company off called ibuypower-- it's a company on paper only, they use the same facilities.) and have really high turnover.

Good recommendation, man.

585 researchok  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:41:51pm

re: #579 brownbagj

i will try to type wth one hand...

they are overpriced. you get less computer for the money due to the touchscreen.

Screw that, then. I'll stick with regular system for now.

586 The Left  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:41:53pm

re: #560 Dragon_Lady

It really is funny! I once saw a male cat do a domination of another male cat via the mating position. Not a mental picture I really like to recall but it was funny at the time.
P.S. Congratulations on getting your Visa! RWC told me but he takes over the compooter every evening so I haven't been able to send my felicitations to you and Jimmah.

Hey! Thank you! And send my best to your honey as well. How are you? (i've missed you and also rwc as well, havent been on when he's around either mostly)

587 researchok  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:42:40pm

re: #584 Obdicut

I will back you up 100% on that. Of all the custom gaming companies, they're the only one I know that are honest. Most of the other companies subcontract, and often change names (Cyberpower split another identical company off called ibuypower-- it's a company on paper only, they use the same facilities.) and have really high turnover.

Good recommendation, man.

I'm not a gamer, though. I am a mild spreadsheet user guy.

588 CuriousLurker  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:42:54pm

I'm toast. I can't keep up anyone.

Cato, when you have time can you just leave the name in this thread and I'll check back tomorrow? Thanks.

Have fun, everyone.

589 BryanS  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:43:07pm

re: #573 Capitalist Tool

Conspiracy theory alert!!!

Now don't tell anyone I told you, but...

a few of days an unnamed friend of mine told me about catching wind of a dark conspiracy afoot to introduce tropical/South American hemorrhagic agents into our population...
something called cocoliztle (sp) and dengue fever, et al.

Now this...

Not sure whether to down ding you or not. The dengue fever thing is a real concern, and not some kind of plot. It's also not a hemorrhagic agent. Just sucks to get it.

590 brownbagj  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:43:08pm

re: #585 researchok

also you cannot easily, if at all, upgrade them. i assume you want a desktop and not a laptop?

591 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:43:11pm

re: #580 Guanxi88

This car - Fritz the Diesel Death Snail - was made at a time when a tape deck was not among the options offered by M/B. Yeah, he's that old.

yeah! I was rocking one of these: Image: Toyota_Corolla_1975_Deluxe_rfq2-ex%281%29.jpg

everything was broken on it except the engine. Oh how I hated that car

592 Nimed  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:43:22pm

re: #546 Naso Tang

Personally I think, and I've said so before, downdinging an established member without comment is just a finger in the face.

No class at all.

But there's individual variability in this, no? I downding and upding more frequently than most people, and I don't think of it as sticking "a finger in the face". Surely scholars differ on the question of downdings?

593 researchok  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:43:46pm

re: #582 WindUpBird

I've seen them at Best Buy, but I have no need for one because my digital workflow is all through this thing, so I have no idea *_*

HOLY CRAP! looks like you really know what you;re doing!

594 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:43:51pm

re: #567 Cato the Elder

Extra updings to anyone who identifies the source of the quote in my #567.

595 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:44:28pm

re: #584 Obdicut

I will back you up 100% on that. Of all the custom gaming companies, they're the only one I know that are honest. Most of the other companies subcontract, and often change names (Cyberpower split another identical company off called ibuypower-- it's a company on paper only, they use the same facilities.) and have really high turnover.

Good recommendation, man.

it helps that they're literally like five miles from my parents' place :D Puget Sound represent!

596 researchok  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:44:54pm

re: #590 brownbagj

also you cannot easily, if at all, upgrade them. i assume you want a desktop and not a laptop?

Yes.

Actually, I need both. I've putting this off for almost two years now.

Fact is I have to turn in my laptop and desktop- employer owned.

597 Obdicut  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:44:57pm

re: #587 researchok

I'm not a gamer, though. I am a mild spreadsheet user guy.

Sorry if you already typed this: Laptop or desktop?

For laptops, Toshiba are the only company I actually consider an honorable company that treats its customers well.

I don't know any desktop companies that aren't fuckers.

I don't suppose assembling it yourself is an option? That's what I do to get around that whole "they're fuckers" problem.

Puget would still treat you right, even if you don't use it for that much. You can get a solid, futureproofed system from them that will be fast and stable.

598 What, me worry?  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:45:15pm

re: #560 Dragon_Lady

OMG you reminded me...

I'm walking the dog tonight and the outside kitty always walks with us. This woman came riding up on a bike with a little dog in the basket. I said, "Oh look at the cute dog" and she responds in Spanish something... I haven't a clue, except I picked up "casa".

Anyway, there's this large dog, maybe 65lbs running a-ways behind her. I got a little freaked because unleashed dogs always scare me. My dog starts barking and that cat starts getting b i g g e r. Up on all four toes arch back, hissing. The stray thinks better of it and makes a wide circle around us. My dog is pulling me (she's 45 lbs) and the cat is fixated. All of a sudden the cat takes off and charges the dog. 10 lbs chasing 65 lbs. She scared the hellouta me, but chased that dog down the block.

Anyway, the woman was screaming at me in Spanish. Apparently it was her dog, but I have no idea what she was saying. I guess she was pissed, but my cat beat up her dog. uh huh uh

599 The Left  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:45:16pm

re: #594 Cato the Elder

Extra updings to anyone who identifies the source of the quote in my #567.

Prufrock. Eliot, anyway for sure.

600 CuriousLurker  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:45:36pm

re: #592 Nimed

But there's individual variability in this, no? I downding and upding more frequently than most people, and I don't think of it as sticking "a finger in the face". Surely scholars differ on the question of downdings?

*snort* Thanks, I needed a good laugh before going off to rest. :-D

*tiptoes out door giggling*

601 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:45:56pm

re: #575 Naso Tang

Your humor or mine?

Let's try your humour for a change.
Got any cold beer?

602 Capitalist Tool  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:45:57pm

re: #589 BryanS

there is a dengue hemorrhagic sister virus, or something... I'm no epidemiologist.
not sure where a downding would come in for reporting something I'd heard... and my friend was completely serious and very concerned... someone who's word I trust and now there are reports of dengue fever in the US.

603 Guanxi88  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:46:00pm

re: #591 WindUpBird

yeah! I was rocking one of these: Image: Toyota_Corolla_1975_Deluxe_rfq2-ex%281%29.jpg

everything was broken on it except the engine. Oh how I hated that car

I take a perverse pride in Fritz. he's the first car I ever bought for myself. He stinks, spews thick black fumes, is persnickety about his fuel (gotta mix in Bio-diesel to the stuff from the pump, or his seals and such will rot and his parts will wear down to nothing), can't accelerate at anything faster than that provided by the rate of gravity, but runs and runs and runs. Poor bastard - he had a quarter million plus miles on him when I bought him, and I've put about a hundred miles a day on him every day for about four months now, and yet he chugs along.

604 windsagio  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:46:32pm

re: #571 Cato the Elder

I think we're gonna have to accept that neither of us are going to change on this subject and be tolerant of each others foibles.

(god it killed me not putting a winky face at the end of that)

605 researchok  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:46:36pm

re: #597 Obdicut

Sorry if you already typed this: Laptop or desktop?

For laptops, Toshiba are the only company I actually consider an honorable company that treats its customers well.

I don't know any desktop companies that aren't fuckers.

I don't suppose assembling it yourself is an option? That's what I do to get around that whole "they're fuckers" problem.

Puget would still treat you right, even if you don't use it for that much. You can get a solid, futureproofed system from them that will be fast and stable.

Do you know anything about Velocity Micro?

And actually, I need both a desktop and laptop.

606 Obdicut  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:46:47pm

re: #602 Capitalist Tool

Well, you did say there was a conspiracy to introduce it.

Unsupported conspiracy stories are basically spam.

607 Donna Ballard  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:47:00pm

re: #586 iceweasel

Hey! Thank you! And send my best to your honey as well. How are you? (i've missed you and also rwc as well, havent been on when he's around either mostly)

Yeah, RWC does a good job hoarding the keyboard every evening Like I posted earlier I told him I want a computer of my own! Now he's saying he might get me a netbook, but I'm not going to hold my breath on that. I've missed you too, and I wish I could post more often. RWC does a lot of posting during the day at work, and now that his boss is going to be paying him to learn how to make blog sights he'll be doing a lot more in the future. I'm that, being paid to blog. How come I can't find a job like that?!?

608 windsagio  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:47:26pm

OK, its friday night, so I'm outies!

609 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:47:34pm

re: #591 WindUpBird

yeah! I was rocking one of these: Image: Toyota_Corolla_1975_Deluxe_rfq2-ex%281%29.jpg

everything was broken on it except the engine. Oh how I hated that car

i rocked this one. all-time worst ride in the snow...the back end weighed about 200lbs...all the control of a tin bowl on a snow-packed hill.

Image: 7080090001_medium.jpg

610 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:47:40pm

re: #593 researchok

HOLY CRAP! looks like you really know what you;re doing!

I make a living, at least! I've had Cintiq tablet screens for several years, I used to have a creaky 15" one, FINALLy upgraded to a nice one that I scored on ebay. But it's the reason I'm still using a crappy dell laptop as my art machine :D

611 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:48:35pm

re: #609 Aceofwhat?

i rocked this one. all-time worst ride in the snow...the back end weighed about 200lbs...all the control of a tin bowl on a snow-packed hill.

Image: 7080090001_medium.jpg

Real wheel drive and no weight, no traction control, ayiee

612 researchok  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:48:41pm

re: #610 WindUpBird

I make a living, at least! I've had Cintiq tablet screens for several years, I used to have a creaky 15" one, FINALLy upgraded to a nice one that I scored on ebay. But it's the reason I'm still using a crappy dell laptop as my art machine :D

Impressive- good on you!

613 researchok  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:49:01pm

BBIAB

614 BryanS  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:49:03pm

re: #602 Capitalist Tool

there is a dengue hemorrhagic sister virus, or something... I'm no epidemiologist.
not sure where a downding would come in for reporting something I'd heard... and my friend was completely serious and very concerned... someone who's word I trust and now there are reports of dengue fever in the US.

Wasn't sure if you were mocking a real concern -- the spread of dengue fever -- by conflating it with hemorrhagic diseases and conspiracy theories. We're not all going to start bleeding out our eyes or anything. It's just another mosquito born disease making its way into the Americas. Partly its spread can be attributed to--you guessed it, global warming :)

615 Nimed  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:49:21pm

re: #594 Cato the Elder

Extra updings to anyone who identifies the source of the quote in my #567.

Red Alert, obviously.
/

616 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:49:45pm

re: #508 CuriousLurker

Cato, did you already give me the name and I missed it? I'm have a hard time keeping up when stuff starts flying fast like this..

Sorry.

I got my consonants all mixed up when I tried to remember the title, which is "Ushpizin". Here is the website to the movie.

I'm betting you will love it. It's got everything: pious Jerusalem Orthodox Jews confronted with poverty and the sudden appearance of "friends" from the husband's less-than-stellar past, just to name a few themes.

Shot on site in Jerusalem. With wonderful, authentically Orthodox actors.

Hope you like it.

617 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:49:50pm

re: #460 brookly red

well I can sense the dark forces gathering so I choose to leave them hungry :)

a good evening to all.

Am I the first to say it? No, but I'm 150 comments behind.

Brookly is an asshole who pushes back on every damn thread, or comment on LGF. period.

It's hard to figure out, but sometimes (most ofen imo) you are just on the wrong side.

618 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:50:35pm

re: #580 Guanxi88

This car - Fritz the Diesel Death Snail - was made at a time when a tape deck was not among the options offered by M/B. Yeah, he's that old.

I'm guessing you have a 1970's Mercedes 240D. How close am I? :D

619 Donna Ballard  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:50:40pm

re: #598 marjoriemoon

OMG you reminded me...

I'm walking the dog tonight and the outside kitty always walks with us. This woman came riding up on a bike with a little dog in the basket. I said, "Oh look at the cute dog" and she responds in Spanish something... I haven't a clue, except I picked up "casa".

Anyway, there's this large dog, maybe 65lbs running a-ways behind her. I got a little freaked because unleashed dogs always scare me. My dog starts barking and that cat starts getting b i g g e r. Up on all four toes arch back, hissing. The stray thinks better of it and makes a wide circle around us. My dog is pulling me (she's 45 lbs) and the cat is fixated. All of a sudden the cat takes off and charges the dog. 10 lbs chasing 65 lbs. She scared the hellouta me, but chased that dog down the block.

Anyway, the woman was screaming at me in Spanish. Apparently it was her dog, but I have no idea what she was saying. I guess she was pissed, but my cat beat up her dog. uh huh uh

Go Kitty go! We had a cat a few years back that took on a playful Irish Setter. I had to pay the Vet bill but it was worth it to see my 15lb cat take on a 50lb dog. Poor dog, I don't think he ever wanted to play with a cat again...

620 Achilles Tang  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:51:08pm

re: #592 Nimed

But there's individual variability in this, no? I downding and upding more frequently than most people, and I don't think of it as sticking "a finger in the face". Surely scholars differ on the question of downdings?

There's individual consistency.

I have my opinion. You have yours.

621 Guanxi88  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:51:18pm

re: #603 Guanxi88

I take a perverse pride in Fritz. he's the first car I ever bought for myself. He stinks, spews thick black fumes, is persnickety about his fuel (gotta mix in Bio-diesel to the stuff from the pump, or his seals and such will rot and his parts will wear down to nothing), can't accelerate at anything faster than that provided by the rate of gravity, but runs and runs and runs. Poor bastard - he had a quarter million plus miles on him when I bought him, and I've put about a hundred miles a day on him every day for about four months now, and yet he chugs along.

Let me add that the real test of the quality of a car's build is whether you can drive the hell out of it and still have it as an option for driving your family to the graveside for your service. Barring a nuclear strike, Fritz could fit that bill; they might wanna use something from the estate to fix the a/c and the upholstery, but otherwise......

622 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:51:23pm

re: #516 Dark_Falcon

No, he didn't lose it. He was attacking Iceweasel as part of a planned offensive. I'm not entirely sure what he wanted to accomplish (other than being an abusive ass), but my guess is that he was trying to run Iceweasel off this blog. Again, it was an organized campaign of harassment.

And then he goes the very next day to Idiotland and boasts how he was "undercover" here for months.

Meh. Inspector Clouseau meets the Swamp Creature. Me not impress.

623 Obdicut  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:51:38pm

re: #605 researchok

Do you know anything about Velocity Micro?

And actually, I need both a desktop and laptop.

Toshiba is fine for your laptop. They have actually good customer service, and are reasonably priced for solid support. They specialize in ones without very good graphics cards, so they should be ideal for you.

Velocity Micro I know has a reputation for excellent customer service, but they get that reputation from fixing lots of build problems in their machines. They've had very fast growth, and so they have the problem of any garage-type workshop that grew fast.

I personally know a Velocity Micro machine that arrived without the front panel hooked up-- the audio jack and USBs in front-- and that is a pretty lazy mistake.

They were pretty good a few years ago, when they were much smaller, but they don't have the same earnest reputation that Puget does. If it's a custom company, I go with Puget over anyone. They're obsessive weirdos.

624 Targetpractice  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:51:59pm

re: #614 BryanS

Wasn't sure if you were mocking a real concern -- the spread of dengue fever -- by conflating it with hemorrhagic diseases and conspiracy theories. We're not all going to start bleeding out our eyes or anything. It's just another mosquito born disease making its way into the Americas. Partly its spread can be attributed to--you guessed it, global warming :)

And the cause of Global Warming? You guessed it:

Frank Stallone

/

625 Capitalist Tool  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:52:16pm

re: #606 Obdicut

I get it... I did say it falls under the heading of conspiracy theory and argued same with my friend.

Neve theless, my friend was very concerned with what had come to her through the vines she swings from. She is in no way a tripnut and travels in some exceedingly 'serious' circles.

I've already said too much, really and will drop it.

626 Achilles Tang  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:52:37pm

re: #601 Spare O'Lake

Let's try your humour for a change.
Got any cold beer?

Had my quota for tonight, but you are welcome to one on me.

Goodnight.

627 What, me worry?  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:52:54pm

re: #619 Dragon_Lady

Go Kitty go! We had a cat a few years back that took on a playful Irish Setter. I had to pay the Vet bill but it was worth it to see my 15lb cat take on a 50lb dog. Poor dog, I don't think he ever wanted to play with a cat again...

Those cats are fearsome I must say. I wasn't happy because she nearly tagged the dog in the leg and then she would have been toast. I was screaming at her to stop, but you know, they never listen.

I could do off on a huge rant about unleashed dogs in the city, but I wont :)

628 Obdicut  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:53:17pm

re: #625 Capitalist Tool

Dude, that's not a 'nevertheless'. You just continued in the standard conspiracy story framework: I have a friend, these are just rumors, she's into really deep stuff, I can't say any more.

It's like you're demonstrating what one is.

And they're boring.

629 The Left  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:53:50pm

re: #614 BryanS

Wasn't sure if you were mocking a real concern -- the spread of dengue fever -- by conflating it with hemorrhagic diseases and conspiracy theories. We're not all going to start bleeding out our eyes or anything. It's just another mosquito born disease making its way into the Americas. Partly its spread can be attributed to--you guessed it, global warming :)

Hemorrhagic diseases are a problem though. Ebola Reston for example in the -- 90's? Turned out not to be communicable to humans iirc, but the threat of some sort of global pandemic is always there. AIDS is one for example but it's the long slow burn sort.
Something like the other Ebolas, and something with a longer incubation period-- just long enough for someone infected to board a plane-- when and if one arrives that is communicable by air, we'll be in trouble.

630 Obdicut  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:54:06pm

re: #626 Naso Tang

Goodnight.

And thank you for reminding me to start drinking.

631 Capitalist Tool  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:54:12pm

re: #628 Obdicut
you make sense

632 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:54:19pm

re: #617 Stanley Sea

Burka wearing tattooed pork bandits assemble!

633 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:54:32pm
634 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:54:40pm

re: #599 iceweasel

Prufrock. Eliot, anyway for sure.

Gawd, I love smart wymyns.

635 Guanxi88  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:54:51pm

re: #618 WindUpBird

I'm guessing you have a 1970's Mercedes 240D. How close am I? :D

close. a 300d; it's got that nice old-school mercedes styling, before they tried to make EVERY damned car in the world look like every other damned car in the world.

636 The Left  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:55:28pm

re: #629 iceweasel

Hemorrhagic diseases are a problem though. Ebola Reston for example in the -- 90's? Turned out not to be communicable to humans iirc, but the threat of some sort of global pandemic is always there. AIDS is one for example but it's the long slow burn sort.
Something like the other Ebolas, and something with a longer incubation period-- just long enough for someone infected to board a plane-- when and if one arrives that is communicable by air, we'll be in trouble.

Oh, im obviously not pushing a conspiracy theory, just pointing out something that people in epidemiology worry about. When and if something like that happens it won't be because of some seekrit plot.

637 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:55:31pm

re: #623 Obdicut

They're obsessive weirdos.

YES

Did you see their thing on their site, you click on a component that's an option for a machine of theirs, and there's little mini reviews from guys at the company for ALMOST EVERY COMPONENT going "well, this one, it's nice, but the failure rate has yet to be established so if you're concerned, go with the Intel instead"

Mindblowing :D

638 Obdicut  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:55:53pm

re: #634 Cato the Elder

Well, I do wear the bottoms of my trousers rolled.

By I'm not a female.

639 BryanS  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:56:34pm

re: #629 iceweasel

Hemorrhagic diseases are a problem though. Ebola Reston for example in the -- 90's? Turned out not to be communicable to humans iirc, but the threat of some sort of global pandemic is always there. AIDS is one for example but it's the long slow burn sort.
Something like the other Ebolas, and something with a longer incubation period-- just long enough for someone infected to board a plane-- when and if one arrives that is communicable by air, we'll be in trouble.

Long slow burn type diseases are the real problem. Fast spreading and fast die off diseases, while scary and headline inducing, pose little if any risk of causing pandemics. They are easy to contain by standard isolation techniques, and the victims die off before they can spread it to too many people.

640 pharmmajor  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:56:43pm

My contribution to the night's insanity: The Harlem Globetrotters meet Snow White.

641 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:56:47pm

Scott Wheeler is now claiming a media conspiracy to 'silence' him for opposing the Islamic Center he insists on calling the Ground Zero Mosque. Minus the anti-Lizard insults, this latest Wheeler Screed is something you might expect Rodan to write.

642 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:57:06pm

re: #638 Obdicut

Well, I do wear the bottoms of my trousers rolled.

By I'm not a female.

I can put you in touch with T.S. Eliot's London tailor, if you like.

643 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:57:25pm

re: #635 Guanxi88

close. a 300d; it's got that nice old-school mercedes styling, before they tried to make EVERY damned car in the world look like every other damned car in the world.

Best quote about new Mercedes is from Sin City. A character's looking at an SEL or something:

"Is that what they're calling a Mercedes now? Looks like an electric razors."

644 Capitalist Tool  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:57:57pm

re: #623 Obdicut

Just remember that Toshiba laptops have a switch turn off the wireless radio.
i've 'fixed' dozens of 'em by asking the owner to turn the radio on.

645 Guanxi88  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:58:25pm

re: #642 Cato the Elder

I can put you in touch with T.S. Eliot's London tailor, if you like.

Are we then, so serious?

646 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:58:32pm

re: #616 Cato the Elder

Sorry.

I got my consonants all mixed up when I tried to remember the title, which is "Ushpizin". Here is the website to the movie.

I'm betting you will love it. It's got everything: pious Jerusalem Orthodox Jews confronted with poverty and the sudden appearance of "friends" from the husband's less-than-stellar past, just to name a few themes.

Shot on site in Jerusalem. With wonderful, authentically Orthodox actors.

Hope you like it.

It's a delicious movie. Very emotional, but just SO good. I love Mali.

647 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:58:48pm

re: #538 Spare O'Lake

So at the end he must have WANTED to get banned. Well then, he was granted his wish. Finito.

You missed his welcoming post to blogogrxxxxx.

Proud, planned and happy.

648 Capitalist Tool  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:59:15pm

re: #646 SanFranciscoZionist

You mean, like, a chick flick?

649 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:59:50pm

Sorry to replying to a post & bringing it up again. I'm way behind & pissed at what I'm reading.

650 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:59:58pm

re: #635 Guanxi88

close. a 300d; it's got that nice old-school mercedes styling, before they tried to make EVERY damned car in the world look like every other damned car in the world.

I will say I salute Mercedes for having the paint-huffing lunacy to build a 500hp minivan: [Link: www.caranddriver.com...]

651 prairiefire  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 8:00:04pm

Hushabye Mountain:

652 Donna Ballard  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 8:00:27pm

re: #627 marjoriemoon

Those cats are fearsome I must say. I wasn't happy because she nearly tagged the dog in the leg and then she would have been toast. I was screaming at her to stop, but you know, they never listen.

I could do off on a huge rant about unleashed dogs in the city, but I wont :)

Yeah I know what you mean. My apartment managers doggie sit two American Bull Dogs and the male is easily 80lbs and pulls them around like their not even on a leash! One of my neighbors got backed into his car because of Bandit attacking him, the managers are darn lucky they didn't get a formal complaint made against them as were not supposed to have dogs in the building. At all! And they have Bandit and Zena three or four days a week! Really pisses off the neighbors, let me tell you. I have heard Bandit bark and growl very nastily at anyone walking by the front yard when they take him out to do his thing, good thing the front yard has a fence or I'm sure he'd have bitten someone by now.

653 BryanS  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 8:00:27pm

re: #644 Capitalist Tool

Just remember that Toshiba laptops have a switch turn off the wireless radio.
i've 'fixed' dozens of 'em by asking the owner to turn the radio on.

Also useful when you want to save battery power when not needing wireless, and for stopping windoze from asking you to join wifi networks you don't want to be asked to join.

654 Guanxi88  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 8:00:40pm

re: #638 Obdicut

Well, I do wear the bottoms of my trousers rolled.

By I'm not a female.

A couple faves from Tommy:

"I will show you fear in a handful of dust."

"Wipe your hand across your mouth and laugh;
The worlds revolve like ancient women,
Gathering fuel in vacant lots"

655 Obdicut  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 8:00:43pm

re: #642 Cato the Elder

I can put you in touch with T.S. Eliot's London tailor, if you like.

I have some Armenian Jewish tailors here in San Francisco that I couldn't betray.

I swear, whenever I go to a place of business and see a tell-tale Armenian name, it makes me confident I'm going to get good service.

656 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 8:01:04pm

re: #626 Naso Tang

Had my quota for tonight, but you are welcome to one on me.

Goodnight.

Some other time. Goodnight.

657 Guanxi88  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 8:01:30pm

re: #650 WindUpBird

I will say I salute Mercedes for having the paint-huffing lunacy to build a 500hp minivan: [Link: www.caranddriver.com...]

Holy Hell, Hannah!

658 prairiefire  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 8:01:36pm

Hushabye Mountain + Miazake

659 Obdicut  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 8:02:00pm

re: #644 Capitalist Tool

Yes, they do. Very useful for saving battery power. Very useful for inducing user errors.

660 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 8:02:03pm

re: #649 Stanley Sea

Sorry to replying to a post & bringing it up again. I'm way behind & pissed at what I'm reading.

i'm taking the role of distract and cheer on this thread. so here's a custom cheer-up for my grrl Stanley:

SEC media days under way.

'nuff said!

661 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 8:04:19pm

re: #546 Naso Tang

Well that was a surprise, about stalkers etc, but then again I've been surprised and disappointed before in my life. I suppose if I had more time for here I might have had an inkling, but I wouldn't know a stalker blog from someone with a court order to stay 1000 feet from a school.

I do however find it a little disturbing at the ease with which some downding posts that they pretty obviously don't understand.

Personally I think, and I've said so before, downdinging an established member without comment is just a finger in the face.

No class at all.

I'm a proud representative of the classless group.

The dings are here for a reason. Live the blog!

662 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 8:04:35pm

re: #647 Stanley Sea

You missed his welcoming post to blogogrxxx.

Proud, planned and happy.

I never read that shit.

663 Obdicut  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 8:04:52pm

re: #661 Stanley Sea


The dings are here for a reason.

That's what she said.

664 pharmmajor  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 8:05:26pm

re: #663 Obdicut

That's what she said.

Oh I see what you did there.

665 Capitalist Tool  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 8:05:33pm

re: #653 BryanS

Also useful when you want to save battery power when not needing wireless, and for stopping windoze from asking you to join wifi networks you don't want to be asked to join.

There are a lot of people out there with computers (or any tech device for that matter) who are on the very steepest part of the learning curve.

Pissed off new computer owner:" I want my money back- send your tech out here and pick this damn thing up and give me my money back! I can't get it to do anything and all it says on the screen is 'No Signal'."

Techrep: "Sir, you see that power button on the front of your computer? Could I have you press that, please?"

666 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 8:06:10pm

re: #650 WindUpBird

I will say I salute Mercedes for having the paint-huffing lunacy to build a 500hp minivan: [Link: www.caranddriver.com...]

Well, it would be good for towing the family boat on vacation. Why do you say its 'insanity', WUB?

667 Guanxi88  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 8:07:40pm

re: #666 Dark_Falcon

Well, it would be good for towing the family boat on vacation. Why do you say its 'insanity', WUB?

Sweet Lord! Don't tell my wife about that thing, or she'll get new-car fever something fierce. "you drive a Benz," i can hear her saying, "why can't I? Especially now that they make minvan? You want us to be safe, don't you?"

668 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 8:08:04pm

I am firmly of the ancient rhetorical school that says if something is hard to define, try reversing the equation and defining its opposite.

So, I've been puzzling for months over what the fuck the idiotards mean by "Tranzi Prog".

Let us proceed step by step.

"Tranzi Prog" is short for "transnational progressive".

So, what would be the opposite of that?

"Monocultural regressive"?

"Atavistic tribalist retardohater"?

I am leaning towards a combination of the two and thinking the term should be "Monoatavist regressive" - hence, I present to you now the "Monzi Regrowth" - a knuckledragging sport of nature, generally seen in the wild with tribalist tattoos, a notably low brow, and a penchant for fantasizing about beating the crap out of black kids on the tunnelbana in Stockholm, although most of them can't afford a road trip to the local casino, much less a ticket to the imaginary blonde paradise of Scandinavia.

Pictures here.

Hi, Bagua!

669 Obdicut  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 8:08:29pm

For anyone who missed it:

Wedding pictures page.

Complete with me having a lot of difficulty getting the link to work. But I do.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

670 Donna Ballard  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 8:08:45pm

Ya know what Boys and Girls? Iz gettin tired and ma backs botherin me so I'm gonna go lay down. Sees y'all later! Take care and Keep Laughing Everyone! :-)

671 webevintage  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 8:09:07pm

re: #650 WindUpBird

I will say I salute Mercedes for having the paint-huffing lunacy to build a 500hp minivan: [Link: www.caranddriver.com...]

That's one fancy station wagon....

672 BryanS  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 8:09:09pm

re: #665 Capitalist Tool

There are a lot of people out there with computers (or any tech device for that matter) who are on the very steepest part of the learning curve.

Pissed off new computer owner:" I want my money back- send your tech out here and pick this damn thing up and give me my money back! I can't get it to do anything and all it says on the screen is 'No Signal'."

Techrep: "Sir, you see that power button on the front of your computer? Could I have you press that, please?"

Very true, people are stupid. But that's what's great about capitalism and democracy. People get to choose what products they get and how to live. Want a computer you don't have to think too hard to use? Get a Mac.

673 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 8:09:27pm

Let's save the hate for the folks who want to kill us.
Good night lizards.

674 Locker  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 8:09:45pm

Dj Dupe playing a live set right now on my buddies site. Check it out if you like house or dance music in general he's ripping it up from this club in Rhode Island.

Happy Friday!

[Link: www.wtchouseradio.com...]

675 The Left  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 8:09:49pm

re: #669 Obdicut

For anyone who missed it:

Wedding pictures page.

Complete with me having a lot of difficulty getting the link to work. But I do.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

hey, you can edit your page (if you didn't already) and fix the original too. great pics by the way, congrats again!

676 Obdicut  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 8:10:04pm

re: #675 iceweasel

Oh. Thanks. Shoulda figured.

677 The Left  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 8:10:31pm

re: #670 Dragon_Lady

Ya know what Boys and Girls? Iz gettin tired and ma backs botherin me so I'm gonna go lay down. Sees y'all later! Take care and Keep Laughing Everyone! :-)

bye DL! take care, feel better! (talk to you guys after the move next week)

678 What, me worry?  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 8:10:42pm

re: #652 Dragon_Lady

Yeah I know what you mean. My apartment managers doggie sit two American Bull Dogs and the male is easily 80lbs and pulls them around like their not even on a leash! One of my neighbors got backed into his car because of Bandit attacking him, the managers are darn lucky they didn't get a formal complaint made against them as were not supposed to have dogs in the building. At all! And they have Bandit and Zena three or four days a week! Really pisses off the neighbors, let me tell you. I have heard Bandit bark and growl very nastily at anyone walking by the front yard when they take him out to do his thing, good thing the front yard has a fence or I'm sure he'd have bitten someone by now.

Ugh... there's a $500 fine in my neighborhood for unleashed animals. They don't mess around.

679 Aye Pod  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 8:11:17pm

re: #647 Stanley Sea

You missed his welcoming post to blogogrxxx.

Proud, planned and happy.

He didn't plan to get banned though - he thought he was going to get iceweasel banned. THAT was his plan - the first objective no doubt, in some kind of overall LGF wingnut pushback sadness. So, really, it's all been something of a massive fail for him. He never could answer the question about who all these 'good people' are that he claimed ice and I 'ran off' the site. Couldn't give one single example. No need to ask anymore of course - he's with them.

Next time we see someone complaining about ice and I running 'good people' off the site - we'll know exactly who they are talking about and where they are coming from. Not to mention where they'll likely end up.

680 Capitalist Tool  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 8:12:06pm

re: #672 BryanS

Very true, people are stupid. But that's what's great about capitalism and democracy. People get to choose what products they get and how to live. Want a computer you don't have to think too hard to use? Get a Mac.

Not think too hard? Not sure about that... the slogan was "Think Different" and different they are.
Macs just use different terms to do the same things; one just has to learn a different jargon to be a Mac user- not really sure what's so easy about them.

Listening to: Randy Newman- "Mac People"

681 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 8:12:37pm

re: #632 goddamnedfrank

Burka wearing tattooed pork bandits assemble!

[Video]

To the sound of a very Hindu conch being blown?

682 Capitalist Tool  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 8:12:56pm

re: #678 marjoriemoon

Ugh... there's a $500 fine in my neighborhood for unleashed animals. They don't mess around.

I'll be sure and wear my dog collar if'n I come to visit.

683 Guanxi88  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 8:13:27pm

re: #682 Capitalist Tool

I'll be sure and wear my dog collar if'n I come to visit.

Oh, it's THAT kind of party.

684 Capitalist Tool  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 8:13:58pm

re: #683 Guanxi88

Oh, it's THAT kind of party.

Animal!

685 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 8:14:52pm

re: #683 Guanxi88

Oh, it's THAT kind of party.

dude...we've been going on about lesbian cat sex for 200 posts now...it's been that kind of party for a while/

686 What, me worry?  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 8:15:16pm

re: #669 Obdicut

For anyone who missed it:

Wedding pictures page.

Complete with me having a lot of difficulty getting the link to work. But I do.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Lovely Obi :)

687 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 8:15:23pm

re: #648 Capitalist Tool

You mean, like, a chick flick?

Maybe, except there's actually only one female character in it...it's really mostly about her husband. Her and her husband. It could also be seen as a buddy movie.

It's just good. It's a serious film from a completely haredi perspective, which is fairly unheard of. Dunno, I love it.

688 pharmmajor  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 8:15:26pm

re: #685 Aceofwhat?

dude...we've been going on about lesbian cat sex for 200 posts now...it's been that kind of party for a while/

And I regret coming in late.

689 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 8:15:31pm

re: #666 Dark_Falcon

Well, it would be good for towing the family boat on vacation. Why do you say its 'insanity', WUB?

It's a minivan that can pace Corvettes from stoplights :D 4.6 seconds to 60, that's rare air!

690 BryanS  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 8:16:17pm

re: #680 Capitalist Tool

Not think too hard? Not sure about that... the slogan was "Think Different" and different they are.
Macs just use different terms to do the same things; one just has to learn a different jargon to be a Mac user- not really sure what's so easy about them.

Listening to: Randy Newman- "Mac People"

I've used all versions of just about all OSs and hardware. Running linux on my laptop that I'm using now and sometimes boot into Windows. Use linux and windows at work, also own an ibook. Most definitely Macs are easier to use for the novice--and for geeks like me, I can appreciate that I can play at the command line and get my BSD along with an easy to use interface. Speaking of wireless, Mac's wireless is about the easiest to use wireless interface ever made.

691 Obdicut  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 8:16:28pm

re: #685 Aceofwhat?

Ooh, one of the classic FARK threads, before that place turned into a trollhole:


When my cat sits on the kitchen counter, is its bunghole touching the counter or is there some kind of furry thing keeping it off?

Recommended reading.

692 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 8:17:07pm

re: #666 Dark_Falcon

Another way of putting it is, 200 more horse than a Ford F350 Superduty.

693 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 8:17:14pm

re: #668 Cato the Elder

I am firmly of the ancient rhetorical school that says if something is hard to define, try reversing the equation and defining its opposite.

So, I've been puzzling for months over what the fuck the idiotards mean by "Tranzi Prog".

Let us proceed step by step.

"Tranzi Prog" is short for "transnational progressive".

So, what would be the opposite of that?

"Monocultural regressive"?

"Atavistic tribalist retardohater"?

I am leaning towards a combination of the two and thinking the term should be "Monoatavist regressive" - hence, I present to you now the "Monzi Regrowth" - a knuckledragging sport of nature, generally seen in the wild with tribalist tattoos, a notably low brow, and a penchant for fantasizing about beating the crap out of black kids on the tunnelbana in Stockholm, although most of them can't afford a road trip to the local casino, much less a ticket to the imaginary blonde paradise of Scandinavia.

Pictures here.

Hi, Bagua!

OMG! That monster attacked New York City in the movie. Iceweasel lives in NYC (though she is moving). That must mean:

CLOVERFIELD DEPICTS A SEEKRIT STALKER PLOT TO ASSASSINATE ICEWEASEL.

/wingnut logic

694 Irenicum  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 8:17:32pm

Hi kids. Sounds like the usual suspects have been the usual suspects. Otherwise frivolity seems to be happening all around. How 'bout dem Mets?

695 What, me worry?  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 8:17:37pm

re: #687 SanFranciscoZionist

Maybe, except there's actually only one female character in it...it's really mostly about her husband. Her and her husband. It could also be seen as a buddy movie.

It's just good. It's a serious film from a completely haredi perspective, which is fairly unheard of. Dunno, I love it.

We refer to them as "character driven" movies. And I agree, it's a most excellent flick.

696 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 8:17:51pm

re: #688 pharmmajor

And I regret coming in late.

nothing wrong with being fashionable

697 Irenicum  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 8:18:53pm

Anybody hear about the Scottish beer packaged inside of dead squirrels? Sounds nuts to me.

698 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 8:19:29pm

re: #692 WindUpBird

Another way of putting it is, 200 more horse than a Ford F350 Superduty.

It intended so that the rich soccer mom can now say to the guy in the pickup truck:

"My new minivan has more of everything compared to you! Even more horsepower! Ha, ha, my car is better!"


/entirely kidding.

699 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 8:19:32pm

re: #697 Irenicum

Anybody hear about the Scottish beer packaged inside of dead squirrels? Sounds nuts to me.

Link to it in a thread earlier today. Very weird.

700 Obdicut  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 8:19:36pm

re: #691 Obdicut

Just so more people will read that FARK thread:

The sentence that hooked me, in that thread, was:

My wife, being the scientific type, has suggested that I put lipstick on the cat's ass to verify if contact is being made. I'm intrigued by the idea, but not quite ready to make the leap.

701 Capitalist Tool  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 8:19:50pm

re: #669 Obdicut

For anyone who missed it:

Wedding pictures page.

Complete with me having a lot of difficulty getting the link to work. But I do.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Good job! Congratulations and a long and good life to you both.

(nice 'stang,too)

702 Aye Pod  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 8:20:27pm

re: #668 Cato the Elder

"Atavistic tribalist retardohater"?

Heh. Perfect.

703 Irenicum  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 8:20:27pm

re: #699 oaktree

As I said in my FB page I'd rather have a beer made by monks than one that looks like a chipmunk.

704 cliffster  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 8:20:31pm

re: #669 Obdicut

For anyone who missed it:

Wedding pictures page.

Complete with me having a lot of difficulty getting the link to work. But I do.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

I did miss it! thanks for sharing. You clean up pretty good. Not that good, but pretty good ;)

705 freetoken  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 8:21:19pm

re: #668 Cato the Elder


I am leaning towards a combination of the two and thinking the term should be "Monoatavist regressive" - hence, I present to you now the "Monzi Regrowth" - a knuckledragging sport of nature, generally seen in the wild with tribalist tattoos, a notably low brow, and a penchant for fantasizing about beating the crap out of black kids on the tunnelbana in Stockholm, although most of them can't afford a road trip to the local casino, much less a ticket to the imaginary blonde paradise of Scandinavia.

Heh, put up a Pages entry on cloning Neanderthals. Perhaps by cloning one we can determine if that 1% to 4% of the Neanderthal DNA in your "Monoatavist regressives" is what is driving them?

706 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 8:21:24pm

re: #691 Obdicut

Ooh, one of the classic FARK threads, before that place turned into a trollhole:

When my cat sits on the kitchen counter, is its bunghole touching the counter or is there some kind of furry thing keeping it off?

Recommended reading.

currently tearing up in fits of laughter...wife is looking askance, wondering if i've become more insane than usual...thank you for this

707 Capitalist Tool  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 8:21:59pm

re: #693 Dark_Falcon

Oooh, Cloverfield!

708 Obdicut  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 8:22:18pm

re: #701 Capitalist Tool

The mustang belongs to the brother of my sister-in-law (is he a brother in law too?) who is also an ex-Blue Angel. Tom Winkler.

He drove us around for those photos. He is such an incredibly nice guy. Totally polite, helpful, unselfish. A complete winner.

Here's an interview with him.

You can see him in some of our wedding pictures. Like this one:

[Link: web4.sendtoprint.net...]

709 Capitalist Tool  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 8:23:10pm

re: #705 freetoken

Heh, put up a Pages entry on cloning Neanderthals. Perhaps by cloning one we can determine if that 1% to 4% of the Neanderthal DNA in your "Monoatavist regressives" is what is driving them?

Have you ever really looked at Ted Turner?

710 prairiefire  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 8:23:37pm

re: #668 Cato the Elder

A transexual or a transvestite.

711 Guanxi88  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 8:23:54pm

re: #685 Aceofwhat?

dude...we've been going on about lesbian cat sex for 200 posts now...it's been that kind of party for a while/

Eh, lesbo-kittehs ain't no thing. No, when you've lived as I have, 'tis nothing at all. When your spurs puncture enough waterbeds to make you the defendant in a class-action suit....

712 swamprat  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 8:25:01pm

re: #668 Cato the Elder

Isolationism can be fun!

From the Chad Mitchell Trio song, "Barry's Boys".
Barry Goldwater, that is.

The Opposite of Trans-National Progressive is "isolationist conservative".

Mother's basement. MRE's and drygoods. Gold at 300 percent over spot, as an investment. Thinks the spanish-speaking meter-reader is a communist....

713 prairiefire  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 8:25:03pm

re: #669 Obdicut

Is that original paint on the Mustang?

714 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 8:25:05pm

re: #700 Obdicut


'they keep thier bungholes pretty damn clean. You shouldnt be concerned.

My cat licks my goatee clean.'

Prolly licks his bunghole to get the taste of your goatee outta his mouth.

i'm dying here...

715 Capitalist Tool  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 8:25:29pm

re: #711 Guanxi88

ref #684

I rest my case.

716 Obdicut  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 8:26:20pm

re: #713 prairiefire

Is that original paint on the Mustang?

Heh. I'll ask Tom. I don't know, personally. I know he told us he didn't mind the car getting dinged or scratched or anything else we wanted to do with it, but that's the kind of guy he is.

Hell of a guy. A real credit to the Navy and to the USA.

717 prairiefire  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 8:27:01pm

re: #712 swamprat

Isolationism can be fun!

From the Chad Mitchell Trio song, "Barry's Boys".
Barry Goldwater, that is.

The Opposite of Trans-National Progressive is "isolationist conservative".

Mother's basement. MRE's and drygoods. Gold at 300 percent over spot, as an investment. Thinks the spanish-speaking meter-reader is a communist...

Hello, swamp creature, How are you? Did I ever tell you the story of the FL sheriff who had to shot a swamp rat out of a palm tree in our backyard?
True story, in Maitland.

718 Obdicut  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 8:27:22pm

re: #714 Aceofwhat?

My thought on the subject was basically:

Doesn't this fall under "Don't ask the question if you don't REALLY want to know what the answer is?"

719 Digital Display  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 8:27:22pm

re: #714 Aceofwhat?

'they keep thier bungholes pretty damn clean. You shouldnt be concerned.

My cat licks my goatee clean.'
What up my man?

Prolly licks his bunghole to get the taste of your goatee outta his mouth.

i'm dying here...

720 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 8:28:06pm

re: #718 Obdicut

My thought on the subject was basically:

Dear Abby,

My cat's breath smells like fish, yet it never eats fish.
Please explain.

Thank you

721 Capitalist Tool  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 8:28:17pm

re: #717 prairiefire

Hello, swamp creature, How are you? Did I ever tell you the story of the FL sheriff who had to shot a swamp rat out of a palm tree in our backyard?
True story, in Maitland.

That's why there ain't no swamp rats around here... everybody does their own shootin'.

722 Capitalist Tool  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 8:29:00pm

re: #720 Aceofwhat?

Dear Abby,

My cat's breath smells like fish, yet it never eats fish.
Please explain.

Thank you

ain't touchin' that

723 Digital Display  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 8:29:05pm

re: #720 Aceofwhat?

Dear Abby,

My cat's breath smells like fish, yet it never eats fish.
Please explain.

Thank you

Whoops...I meant to say hello to you Ace in the previous post...
What up?

724 Obdicut  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 8:29:28pm

re: #720 Aceofwhat?

The main problem with that FARK thread was when the whole "Lipstick on a pig" nontroversy erupted, all I could think was "That's nothing. What about lipstick on a cat's ass?"

725 Guanxi88  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 8:30:21pm

re: #717 prairiefire

Hello, swamp creature, How are you? Did I ever tell you the story of the FL sheriff who had to shot a swamp rat out of a palm tree in our backyard?
True story, in Maitland.

Had a funny thing at work today. Up in Austin, the receptionist calls me.

"Say, there's a rooster in the lobby."

"What the f*ck? Get it the hell outta there!"

"I can't scare him. I called animal control, and they say they won't take livestock. Who should I call?"

"Call goddamned Colonel Sanders for all I care, but get that fucking chicken outta my building."

So what does she do? Gets one of the guys from the construction site across the road to come over and catch the SOB for ten bucks, ownership of the offending poultry, and a six pack of Tecate.

726 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 8:30:36pm

re: #714 Aceofwhat?

'they keep thier bungholes pretty damn clean. You shouldnt be concerned.

My cat licks my goatee clean.'

Prolly licks his bunghole to get the taste of your goatee outta his mouth.

i'm dying here...

Sounds like something from "Diary of Dorkus" to me. He's decided to blogstalk Cato again tonight. And you'll be heartbroken to know that we all have once again proved we are "Totalitarian Progressives". BOOGA BOOGA!

727 Obdicut  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 8:32:02pm

re: #726 Dark_Falcon

You know an easy way to tell those guys are idiotic shitheads?

They don't say a thing about me-- at least, not that anyone's brought my attention to.

I have a lot of views similar to Ice, I get into spats with a lot of the same people, I'm an eebil lib and all the rest of that.

But they don't care, since A) I wasn't around when they were around and B) I'm not a woman.

It's so clearly personal with them it's pathetic.

728 Digital Display  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 8:32:26pm

re: #724 Obdicut

The main problem with that FARK thread was when the whole "Lipstick on a pig" nontroversy erupted, all I could think was "That's nothing. What about lipstick on a cat's ass?"


What if the Cat likes it? Then what? Just like politics!
*wink*

729 swamprat  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 8:33:01pm

re: #717 prairiefire
Doing well.
My step- father used to trim those palm trees with a machete. He said that they were always full of rats.

So why did the sheriff pick on the one he could see?

730 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 8:33:02pm

re: #723 HoosierHoops

Whoops...I meant to say hello to you Ace in the previous post...
What up?

Hey - countdown to road trip, right? Nothing so momentous for me...had a battle with a tennis ball machine this evening and then a little dinner with the family...now laughing my nutz off at the Fark thread Obdi sent me to...

731 Obdicut  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 8:33:42pm

re: #728 HoosierHoops

I don't know if that was smart or not, Hoops, but it was definitely funny.

I do like adding the lipstick into any cat proverb:

"This is like herding cats with lipstick on their ass"

"Quick as a cat with lipstick on his ass"

"While the cat with lipstick on his ass is away, the mice will play"

"It's a game of cat-with-lipstick-on-his-ass-and-mouse"

732 Racer X  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 8:33:45pm

Jeeezuz.

What have you people been up to?

*perusing thread*

733 Capitalist Tool  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 8:33:48pm

re: #725 Guanxi88

Had a funny thing at work today. Up in Austin, the receptionist calls me.

"Say, there's a rooster in the lobby."

"What the f*ck? Get it the hell outta there!"

"I can't scare him. I called animal control, and they say they won't take livestock. Who should I call?"

"Call goddamned Colonel Sanders for all I care, but get that fucking chicken outta my building."

So what does she do? Gets one of the guys from the construction site across the road to come over and catch the SOB for ten bucks, ownership of the offending poultry, and a six pack of Tecate.


You must be eat up with swamp rats.

734 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 8:34:36pm

re: #724 Obdicut

The main problem with that FARK thread was when the whole "Lipstick on a pig" nontroversy erupted, all I could think was "That's nothing. What about lipstick on a cat's ass?"

i didn't even hear about that...i just heard it went downhill. but this thread is gold.

735 Guanxi88  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 8:34:49pm

re: #733 Capitalist Tool

You must be eat up with swamp rats.

Nahh. Not too many Cajuns in this part of texas.

I'm kidding, I'm kidding.

736 cliffster  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 8:35:03pm

re: #720 Aceofwhat?

Dear Abby,

My cat's breath smells like fish, yet it never eats fish.
Please explain.

Thank you

Image: cat-tatoo.gif

737 Racer X  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 8:35:05pm

re: #725 Guanxi88

Had a funny thing at work today. Up in Austin, the receptionist calls me.

"Say, there's a rooster in the lobby."

"What the f*ck? Get it the hell outta there!"

"I can't scare him. I called animal control, and they say they won't take livestock. Who should I call?"

"Call goddamned Colonel Sanders for all I care, but get that fucking chicken outta my building."

So what does she do? Gets one of the guys from the construction site across the road to come over and catch the SOB for ten bucks, ownership of the offending poultry, and a six pack of Tecate.

She's the receptionist? That there is management material.

738 Irenicum  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 8:35:12pm

re: #732 Racer X

It's a happy clappy kinda night.
///

739 The Left  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 8:35:25pm

re: #727 Obdicut

You know an easy way to tell those guys are idiotic shitheads?

They don't say a thing about me-- at least, not that anyone's brought my attention to.

I have a lot of views similar to Ice, I get into spats with a lot of the same people, I'm an eebil lib and all the rest of that.

But they don't care, since A) I wasn't around when they were around and B) I'm not a woman.

It's so clearly personal with them it's pathetic.

Obdi, 98% of those people were gone before I ever joined here. In some cases for years.

It isn't 'personal'. It's just pathetic.

740 Guanxi88  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 8:35:26pm

re: #732 Racer X

Jeeezuz.

What have you people been up to?

*perusing thread*

Some jackass soaked the floormats in ether, and here we are.

741 prairiefire  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 8:35:33pm

re: #729 swamprat

Doing well.
My step- father used to trim those palm trees with a machete. He said that they were always full of rats.

So why did the sheriff pick on the one he could see?

He picked on the one that was in my dad's palm tree. My mom had my baby brother on her lap, my other brother and me, waiting in the bedroom with the shades drawn and the lights off.
Those two kids from Kansas were scared to death.

742 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 8:35:38pm

re: #727 Obdicut

You know an easy way to tell those guys are idiotic shitheads?

They don't say a thing about me-- at least, not that anyone's brought my attention to.

I have a lot of views similar to Ice, I get into spats with a lot of the same people, I'm an eebil lib and all the rest of that.

But they don't care, since A) I wasn't around when they were around and B) I'm not a woman.

It's so clearly personal with them it's pathetic.

Quite Concur.

743 Irenicum  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 8:35:54pm

re: #740 Guanxi88

That damn Dennis Hopper!

744 What, me worry?  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 8:36:04pm

re: #736 cliffster

Image: cat-tatoo.gif

Creative, but utterly disgusting.

745 prairiefire  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 8:36:25pm

re: #737 Racer X

She's the receptionist? That there is management material.

You are absolutely right.

746 Kronocide  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 8:36:33pm

I watched all 40 something minutes of Sherrod's video, uninterrupted, after watching the original Breitbart video, undistracted. I had previous went through and searched the offending/allegedly offending snippets to get to the goods.

Watching it as it happened, trying to assume nothing.... it's every bit as bad as it's been portrayed.

747 Aye Pod  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 8:36:47pm

re: #565 Floral Giraffe

Well, since you ASKED...
YES!

Hey FG - sorry I missed your Jesse Rae post last night! Here's some more Claymore weiding madness, for your viewing and listening pleasure:

748 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 8:37:26pm

re: #736 cliffster

dear Lord...

749 Irenicum  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 8:37:29pm

re: #746 BigPapa

Um, we are talking about the same video, right?

750 Racer X  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 8:37:34pm

re: #740 Guanxi88

Some jackass soaked the floormats in ether, and here we are.

Again?

Dammit I'm sorry I missed that. We had a blast last time.

751 Guanxi88  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 8:38:03pm

re: #737 Racer X

She's the receptionist? That there is management material.

Yeah, that's why I think I'm gonna have to either promote her or fire her. One of those "Do I really want someone like that gaining on me?" type of things. Eh, maybe I'll move her over to the retail department. Those numbnuts couldn't turn a profit mugging customers.

752 Irenicum  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 8:38:08pm

re: #746 BigPapa

Please explain.

753 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 8:38:11pm

re: #739 iceweasel

Obdi, 98% of those people were gone before I ever joined here. In some cases for years.

It isn't 'personal'. It's just pathetic.

And don't forget sick and depraved, too.

754 cliffster  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 8:38:28pm

re: #744 marjoriemoon

Creative, but utterly disgusting.

I don't think I'd put it on "utterly disgusting". I'd say, "ew". Or, "gross". If you want "utterly disgusting", I can provide that.. have to email it though.

755 What, me worry?  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 8:39:15pm

re: #754 cliffster

I don't think I'd put it on "utterly disgusting". I'd say, "ew". Or, "gross". If you want "utterly disgusting", I can provide that.. have to email it though.

Ok maybe the "utterly" was uncalled for. Would you take disgusting?

Naw... I'll pass, but thanks :)

756 Irenicum  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 8:39:36pm

re: #736 cliffster

LOL!!!

757 prairiefire  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 8:39:40pm

re: #751 Guanxi88

Yeah, that's why I think I'm gonna have to either promote her or fire her. One of those "Do I really want someone like that gaining on me?" type of things. Eh, maybe I'll move her over to the retail department. Those numbnuts couldn't turn a profit mugging customers.

You are way ahead as long as you are on top of the protocol! My husband's family is Japanese American. Not many old traditions, but many times a different perspective.

758 Kronocide  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 8:39:46pm

re: #749 Irenicum

Um, we are talking about the same video, right?

Yes we are. I guess I should have said.... it's even clearer, the distinction between the two videos, when you watch the entire video of Sherrod.

759 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 8:39:52pm

re: #754 cliffster

I don't think I'd put it on "utterly disgusting". I'd say, "ew". Or, "gross". If you want "utterly disgusting", I can provide that.. have to email it though.

Sean Connery: Well, the game is afoot. I'll take 'Anal Bum Cover' for 7,000.

Alex Trebek: That's An album cover, not anal bum cover.

Sean Connery: I can read, Trebek. That says Anal bum cover. I've spent five years of my life trying to invent an anal bum cover, failing to do so is my greatest regret.

760 Obdicut  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 8:40:32pm

re: #739 iceweasel

Obdi, 98% of those people were gone before I ever joined here. In some cases for years.

It isn't 'personal'. It's just pathetic.

I meant personal against Charles. It's my observation they tend to attack people who were around when they were, women, or Charles himself and people who directly support him in what he tries to do around here.

The main thing I think when I've looked over there is "Wow, these threads are really boring."

I very occasionally miss FARK-- it was an entertaining place, but the trolltasticness of it made it very hard to make any sort of connection with anyone. Though there was one amazing climatologist on there-- and still is-- who I would love to get over here. Jon Snow. Hammers the shit out of the global warming deniers-- who are incapable of understanding they've had the shit hammered out of them.

This is the only internet community I've ever seen that was worth half a damn, beyond /test on the usenet at Uchicago.

761 Guanxi88  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 8:41:07pm

re: #757 prairiefire

You are way ahead as long as you are on top of the protocol! My husband's family is Japanese American. Not many old traditions, but many times a different perspective.

Thing is, she's one of those people who makes the mistake of assuming that when the boss lady asks her what she thinks of something, the boss lady really wants to hear what she thinks of it. She's blunt and honest and clever - she shouldn't be working for anyone but herself, truth be told.

762 Irenicum  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 8:41:35pm

re: #758 BigPapa

Cool. Your first comment was rather ambiguous to me. Just wanted to make sure.

763 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 8:42:00pm

re: #725 Guanxi88

Had a funny thing at work today. Up in Austin, the receptionist calls me.

"Say, there's a rooster in the lobby."

"What the f*ck? Get it the hell outta there!"

"I can't scare him. I called animal control, and they say they won't take livestock. Who should I call?"

"Call goddamned Colonel Sanders for all I care, but get that fucking chicken outta my building."

So what does she do? Gets one of the guys from the construction site across the road to come over and catch the SOB for ten bucks, ownership of the offending poultry, and a six pack of Tecate.

That seems like a fair deal.

764 Obdicut  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 8:42:48pm

re: #760 Obdicut

Oh, and the guys on the axishistory.com forums are worthwhile, but there were also scary Jew-hating holocaust deniers there too, the really frightening ones who are smart enough to never cross the line but who stare at you from across it.

765 cliffster  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 8:43:13pm

re: #755 marjoriemoon

Ok maybe the "utterly" was uncalled for. Would you take disgusting?

Naw... I'll pass, but thanks :)

Disgusting

766 Mocking Jay  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 8:43:20pm

re: #760 Obdicut

Though there was one amazing climatologist on there-- and still is-- who I would love to get over here. Jon Snow.


Image: song_of_ice_and_fire_art_jon_snow.jpg

767 prairiefire  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 8:43:31pm

re: #761 Guanxi88

I have a very hard time with the duality. I mostly try to keep my thoughts to myself and bring an assortment of 6-7 books to read. My in-laws are very Conservative.

768 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 8:43:32pm

re: #731 Obdicut

I don't know if that was smart or not, Hoops, but it was definitely funny.

I do like adding the lipstick into any cat proverb:

"This is like herding cats with lipstick on their ass"

"Quick as a cat with lipstick on his ass"

"While the cat with lipstick on his ass is away, the mice will play"

"It's a game of cat-with-lipstick-on-his-ass-and-mouse"

"I will not be the mouse to the White House's cat in a game of...you know the game!"

"Cat and mouse?"

769 Guanxi88  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 8:43:50pm

re: #763 SanFranciscoZionist

That seems like a fair deal.

You kidding me? The guy gets a chicken, 10 bucks AND a six pack? Hell, he made out like a bandit. I'd formulated a cunning scheme, involving bread crumbs, a mail bag, and a huge freaking coat rack. Now, we'd need someone to come in later and mop up the blood......

770 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 8:43:59pm

re: #764 Obdicut

"Even if the butt doesn't touch. If it's a male, you've probably been tea-bagged."

gold. just...gold. i'm crying here.

771 researchok  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 8:44:41pm

Iran's BFF:

North Korea Warns of Nuclear Response to Naval Exercises

North Korea said it would counter U.S. and South Korean joint naval exercises with “nuclear deterrence” after the Obama administration said the government in Pyongyang shouldn’t take any provocative steps.

North Korea will “legitimately counter with their powerful nuclear deterrence the largest-ever nuclear war exercises to be staged by the U.S. and the South Korean puppet forces,” the National Defense Commission said, according to the Korean Central News Agency.

The maneuvers, which involve 20 vessels and 200 aircraft from the U.S. and South Korea, pose a threat to the country’s sovereignty and security, Ri Tong Il, an official with North Korea’s delegation to the Asean Security Forum, told reporters in Hanoi yesterday.

Ri’s comments came after North Korean Foreign Minister Pak Ui Chun sat in the same room with Secretary of State Hillary Clinton in Hanoi for a security meeting of Asia’s largest powers. Clinton condemned North Korea for being “on a campaign of provocative, dangerous behavior,” urging Kim Jong Il’s regime to change.

Still, the “door remains open for North Korea,” Clinton later told reporters. “We are willing to meet with them, willing to negotiate, to move toward normal relations” if North Korea commits itself to giving up its nuclear weapons program, she said.

Snip

772 cliffster  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 8:44:56pm

re: #759 Aceofwhat?

Commas save lives. For example:

Lets eat grandpa!
vs
Lets eat, grandpa!

773 Capitalist Tool  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 8:45:17pm

re: #746 BigPapa

What's every bit as bad... Breitbart's thing, or Sherrod's?
Not clear to me what you mean, not that I give a rat's ass.

I haven't watched either of 'em 'cause I don't trust any major media outlet...

I said essentially the same thing yesterday and immediately got at least 8 downdings. Sheesh.
I don't trust the media- what's the big deal?

I think they are all agenda driven and have little concern for the truth and portray only 'facts' to support their agenda.
Facts are not truth.

774 Aye Pod  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 8:45:22pm

re: #760 Obdicut

Hammers the shit out of the global warming deniers-- who are incapable of understanding they've had the shit hammered out of them.

That's the secret of their strength:

775 Obdicut  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 8:45:27pm

re: #770 Aceofwhat?

Have I not shown you:

The ballsack conundrum?

I saw the pictures, and it was real.

776 Irenicum  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 8:45:27pm

re: #764 Obdicut

BTW, thanks for the link the other day to the site. I have studiously avoided the blog side of the site for just that reason. I'd go ballistic on their Nazi asses. Seriously bad crazy indeed.

777 What, me worry?  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 8:45:31pm

re: #772 cliffster

Commas save lives. For example:

Lets eat grandpa!
vs
Lets eat, grandpa!

And apostrophe's save you from Cato! (or lack thereof)

778 What, me worry?  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 8:46:14pm

re: #777 marjoriemoon

And apostrophe's save you from Cato! (or lack thereof)

crap

779 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 8:46:32pm

re: #700 Obdicut

The sentence that hooked me, in that thread, was:

My wife, being the scientific type, has suggested that I put lipstick on the cat's ass to verify if contact is being made. I'm intrigued by the idea, but not quite ready to make the leap.

"Honey, why does the baby have lipstick on his index finger?"

780 Obdicut  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 8:46:59pm

re: #776 Irenicum

There are plenty of good, strong defenders of history, including the moderators, but yeah, I can't deal with evil like that either.

But if you do have question, the deniers stick to the holocaust subform almost entirely; ask your question in the propaganda section of the forum and you'll probably get only solid academic answers.

781 cliffster  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 8:47:13pm

re: #777 marjoriemoon

And apostrophe's save you from Cato! (or lack thereof)

I aint' afraid of no cato

782 Digital Display  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 8:47:13pm

re: #730 Aceofwhat?

Hey - countdown to road trip, right? Nothing so momentous for me...had a battle with a tennis ball machine this evening and then a little dinner with the family...now laughing my nutz off at the Fark thread Obdi sent me to...

Yea Bro...about 6 hours or when ever brekkie is over..Winston is gone..It is so lonely in this house tonight...With all my Family in California... Winston was all I had to not feel lonely...I have had a heavy heart missing my dog..Then a wonderful thought came to me...
I remember summer camp as a kid...It was a blast..Winston is on his little summer camp with a really cute dog loving girl.. What more does a dog want?
So my attitude has totally changed..He is going to have a blast and I'll find us a place to move to and get up in the morning and hit the road...
I'll be blogging from Springfield, Mo. Saturday night....

783 Mocking Jay  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 8:47:41pm

re: #778 marjoriemoon

crap

Image: 239.jpg

784 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 8:47:49pm

re: #775 Obdicut

Have I not shown you:

The ballsack conundrum?

I saw the pictures, and it was real.

no...but if it was half as good as this one, i'm there...

785 Irenicum  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 8:47:57pm

re: #772 cliffster

Eats, shoots, leaves. Versus Eats Shoots, leaves.

786 Guanxi88  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 8:48:18pm

re: #767 prairiefire

I have a very hard time with the duality. I mostly try to keep my thoughts to myself and bring an assortment of 6-7 books to read. My in-laws are very Conservative.

It never ceases to amuse me, the way so many people break themselves on the rocks of a culture they can't even begin to comprehend and about which they never bothered to inform themselves. Case in point - Don't even bother making a pass at a Chinese girl from a decent family. Unless she's ABC (American Born Chinese), she'll ignore the hell outta you if you don't know how to handle her family, and trust me, you DON'T know how to handle her family. Most socially conservative people I've ever met, the Chinese. Amazing the weird ideas people have about Asian women; they run the whole f*cking show, so far as I can tell.

787 Obdicut  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 8:48:43pm

re: #784 Aceofwhat?

no...but if it was half as good as this one, i'm there...

It's an experience not to be missed.

788 Irenicum  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 8:48:44pm

re: #780 Obdicut

Thanks for the heads up.

789 Guanxi88  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 8:49:06pm

re: #772 cliffster

Commas save lives. For example:

Lets eat grandpa!
vs
Lets eat, grandpa!

Donner, party of Twelve.

790 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 8:49:11pm

I'd been trying to adapt the melody of Phil Collins' In the Air Tonight to express my feelings about Bagua's Trolling Campaign. But I found that they did not need adaptation. The song is prefect for expressing my feelings:

791 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 8:49:29pm

re: #782 HoosierHoops

So my attitude has totally changed..He is going to have a blast and I'll find us a place to move to and get up in the morning and hit the road...
I'll be blogging from Springfield, Mo. Saturday night...

Great outlook...you know he's having fun. Now all you have to do is enjoy the journey and keep us posted-

792 Kronocide  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 8:49:57pm

re: #762 Irenicum

Cool. Your first comment was rather ambiguous to me. Just wanted to make sure.

I am frequently guilty of the crime my wife commits on me: speaking in the present tense as if we are already a few statements into a conversation.

To be clear, I got the full context of Sherrod's video by watching it completely: it was a very powerful story and message she shared, and Breitbart is a scandalous hack. At the very worst, Sherrod acted prejudicially, 20+ years ago, in the context of her experiences and younger age, but shared her experience and insight into her own journey. I find it enlightening.

Oh, and she wanted to get a government job because they don't get lost in a bad economy. As Charles would say..... hurr hurr!

793 What, me worry?  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 8:50:17pm

re: #783 JasonA

Image: 239.jpg

I really hate it when I'm trying to be oh-so-terribly-clever and mess it all up.

You know what I really hate??

When you do say something oh-so-terribly-clever and get a couple updings and then someone says "Oh that's so funny" and they get twice the updings!

LOL

794 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 8:50:22pm

re: #769 Guanxi88

You kidding me? The guy gets a chicken, 10 bucks AND a six pack? Hell, he made out like a bandit. I'd formulated a cunning scheme, involving bread crumbs, a mail bag, and a huge freaking coat rack. Now, we'd need someone to come in later and mop up the blood...

Well, ten bucks, plus maybe $7.50 for the beer, however much a live chicken costs...

About twenty, twenty-five bucks seems fair for chicken removal fees.

795 The Left  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 8:50:27pm

re: #760 Obdicut

I meant personal against Charles. It's my observation they tend to attack people who were around when they were, women, or Charles himself and people who directly support him in what he tries to do around here.

The main thing I think when I've looked over there is "Wow, these threads are really boring."

I very occasionally miss FARK-- it was an entertaining place, but the trolltasticness of it made it very hard to make any sort of connection with anyone. Though there was one amazing climatologist on there-- and still is-- who I would love to get over here. Jon Snow. Hammers the shit out of the global warming deniers-- who are incapable of understanding they've had the shit hammered out of them.

This is the only internet community I've ever seen that was worth half a damn, beyond /test on the usenet at Uchicago.

They have an extremely weird and inappropriate personal attachment to Charles. Absolutely. Earlier when I mentioned it was a good idea to remember that you don't know someone if you only know them from posts I had them in mind especially. They're working out some weird-ass parental issues and hating on daddy. Or something. There's some entirely inappropriate sense that they 'know' him and more-- that he's somehow done something terrible to them.

It'd be great if you could get that guy here. I'd love to get some of the pharyngula commenters over here personally. There's a few sane web communities out there but this is pretty much the only one I find worthwhile to comment on, let alone register to comment on and be a regular. And that's largely because we are an extremely diverse community, while also being a sane one. Nearly all of us for all our differences and different political affiliations largely agree on the most important things, imo, which gives me hope politically-- it's important that there be a place where people can interact with others who have different opinions, because it helps to decrease the prevailing polarisation out there in the larger world.

They've done some studies on this as well w/r/t the internet: people who read blogs that are wholly left or wholly right become more left or more right because of their community. It's bad for centrism and working together.

796 Guanxi88  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 8:51:34pm

re: #794 SanFranciscoZionist

Well, ten bucks, plus maybe $7.50 for the beer, however much a live chicken costs...

About twenty, twenty-five bucks seems fair for chicken removal fees.

See, the going rate around here is usually the cost of 22 ammo and cleanup, but the boss lady won't let us shoot vermin.

797 Irenicum  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 8:52:18pm

re: #793 marjoriemoon

The laws of dingage are just terrible. I've suffered repeatedly.

798 Obdicut  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 8:52:28pm

re: #795 iceweasel

It's one reason why people from other blogs don't 'get' LGF; they've been radicalized by whatever blog they're posters on.

799 The Left  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 8:53:31pm

re: #782 HoosierHoops

Yea Bro...about 6 hours or when ever brekkie is over..Winston is gone..It is so lonely in this house tonight...With all my Family in California... Winston was all I had to not feel lonely...I have had a heavy heart missing my dog..Then a wonderful thought came to me...
I remember summer camp as a kid...It was a blast..Winston is on his little summer camp with a really cute dog loving girl.. What more does a dog want?
So my attitude has totally changed..He is going to have a blast and I'll find us a place to move to and get up in the morning and hit the road...
I'll be blogging from Springfield, Mo. Saturday night...

Aw honey. That's sweet. :) He's missing you too I'm sure but also having a blast. It's a little trip for him!
Good luck by the way, again. How long is the drive?

800 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 8:53:40pm

re: #727 Obdicut

You know an easy way to tell those guys are idiotic shitheads?

They don't say a thing about me-- at least, not that anyone's brought my attention to.

I have a lot of views similar to Ice, I get into spats with a lot of the same people, I'm an eebil lib and all the rest of that.

But they don't care, since A) I wasn't around when they were around and B) I'm not a woman.

It's so clearly personal with them it's pathetic.

Oh Obdicut, you nailed it. Thanks

801 Mocking Jay  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 8:53:41pm

re: #795 iceweasel

They're working out some weird-ass parental issues and hating on daddy.

Hey, DF. Maybe this is the more appropriate song then?

802 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 8:54:09pm

re: #796 Guanxi88

See, the going rate around here is usually the cost of 22 ammo and cleanup, but the boss lady won't let us shoot vermin.

Don't you tend to ding up the floor or the walls or whatever, with the 22?

803 Kronocide  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 8:54:24pm

re: #773 Capitalist Tool

What's every bit as bad... Breitbart's thing, or Sherrod's?
Not clear to me what you mean, not that I give a rat's ass.

I haven't watched either of 'em 'cause I don't trust any major media outlet...

Watch both videos in their entirety to get the full effect. Breitbart's video is bad at first, but it really shows how bad after you see the full Sherrod video. That's not a major news outlet feed, it was a recorded video at an award dinner where she spoke freely. No spin, no BS, there for all to see.

804 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 8:55:09pm

re: #801 JasonA

Hey, DF. Maybe this is the more appropriate song then?


[Video]

Works for me.

805 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 8:55:15pm

re: #782 HoosierHoops

SMOOCH.
That ought to make you feel better!
LOL!
*waves*

806 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 8:55:42pm

re: #795 iceweasel

There's a few sane web communities out there but this is pretty much the only one I find worthwhile to comment on, let alone register to comment on and be a regular.

...mind you, i just read the following sentence

Set some rice paper on the counter. If you later find the cat running around looking like a furry sailboat, you'll know.

and began my laughing fit all over again...so don't be TOO complimentary of the company that you're keeping here;)

807 The Left  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 8:56:31pm

re: #798 Obdicut

It's one reason why people from other blogs don't 'get' LGF; they've been radicalized by whatever blog they're posters on.

Definitely, their Overton Window is in a different place. Not even necessarily that they're radicalized, but they're not used to interacting with opposing viewpoints 'in the wild'.
E.g., HCR. When I wanted my wonky fill on that I'd read other places, but it's not at all interesting to talk to people who all basically already agree with you. you also don't learn as much.

808 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 8:56:34pm

re: #795 iceweasel

LOL!
A pleasure to have you here!
*waves*

809 Guanxi88  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 8:57:13pm

re: #802 SanFranciscoZionist

Don't you tend to ding up the floor or the walls or whatever, with the 22?

Nah, not unless ya hit glass. Otherwise, it's just a chip in the saltillo (a little cement and grout covers that) or a hole in the wall (a bit of spackle).

F'ing hippies in their 400K houses have started to keep f*cking chickens. some sorta commie plot to spread avian flu, for all I know, but they all let their goddamned livestock just roam around.

810 freetoken  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 8:57:21pm

re: #786 Guanxi88

Funny thing, when I was in Japan I had no problem getting the attention of Chinese (national) women who were there (say, students.) Conservative - yes in a way they were, but in another way they weren't.

811 Capitalist Tool  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 8:58:12pm

re: #794 SanFranciscoZionist

Well, ten bucks, plus maybe $7.50 for the beer, however much a live chicken costs...

About twenty, twenty-five bucks seems fair for chicken removal fees.

Well, a rooster with the right attitude will have you bleedin' if you get one of 'em cornered and are fuggin' with him.
they're just chickens, after all, so it ain't any big deal.
The hard part is just gettin' one of 'em cornered.
Shifty little SOB's...

812 Nimed  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 8:58:41pm

re: #766 JasonA

Image: song_of_ice_and_fire_art_jon_snow.jpg

:) Too clean. Those guys at The Wall didn't bathe for weeks.

813 Aye Pod  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 8:59:52pm

Night folks :)

814 Guanxi88  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:00:31pm

re: #810 freetoken

Funny thing, when I was in Japan I had no problem getting the attention of Chinese (national) women who were there (say, students.) Conservative - yes in a way they were, but in another way they weren't.

Those who go abroad are a bit different than those who don't. They tend to be a bit freer - else why would they leave their families, even if only for a while? But sunk in a community of them, and if they're from a good family, not much in the way of progress is possible.

815 Nimed  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:00:44pm

re: #810 freetoken

Funny thing, when I was in Japan I had no problem getting the attention of Chinese (national) women who were there (say, students.) Conservative - yes in a way they were, but in another way they weren't.

That's not all that uncommon, right? People who are living in a foreign country are usually more open.

816 Aye Pod  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:01:07pm

re: #808 Floral Giraffe

LOL!
A pleasure to have you here!
*waves*

We're out of here for the night FG - ice says she'll email you. Have a good one!

817 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:01:08pm

re: #744 marjoriemoon

Creative, but utterly disgusting.

Not marriage material, no.

818 Capitalist Tool  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:01:52pm

re: #803 BigPapa

I could watch a video in it's entirety. i would have a hard time with something edited.

819 freetoken  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:02:17pm

re: #815 Nimed

re: #814 Guanxi88

Yup - I figured out that I was shopping among a self-selected group who were the adventuring type - leaving home and going over seas. It's actually a big thing for a person to undertake on their own.

820 prairiefire  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:02:38pm

American men abroad in Asia usually are met with much warmth! The misogyny in Asia is rampant. Any woman anywhere wants to be treated with respect and indulged from time to time.

821 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:02:54pm

re: #754 cliffster

I don't think I'd put it on "utterly disgusting". I'd say, "ew". Or, "gross". If you want "utterly disgusting", I can provide that.. have to email it though.

OK!!

822 Mocking Jay  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:03:47pm

re: #817 Stanley Sea

Not marriage material, no.

:(


/

823 Irenicum  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:03:55pm

re: #795 iceweasel

Great post Ice. I too love the diversity here. Being beholden to an ideology that refuses to listen to any other voice other than its own is a sign of intellectual incoherence and not of certainty. Insecurity breeds unwarranted absolutes that, in their stead, breed genocidal certainties that can only do more harm.

824 The Left  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:04:10pm

Wow, speaking of fark-- did someone mention this? Incoming fark-alanche on the republican rape thread.

Yow! cool.

Later folks, have a good one.

825 Racer X  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:04:12pm

'Eternal plane' returns to Earth

The UK-built Zephyr unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV) has confirmed its place in aviation history as the first "eternal plane".

The solar-powered craft completed two weeks of non-stop flight above a US Army range in Arizona before being commanded to make a landing.

The Qinetiq company which developed Zephyr said the UAV had nothing to prove by staying in the air any longer.

It had already smashed all endurance records for an unpiloted vehicle before it touched down at 1504 BST (0704 local/1404 GMT) on Friday.

"We are just really delighted with the performance," said project manager Jon Saltmarsh.

"It's the culmination of a lot of years of effort from a huge number of really talented scientists and engineers," he told BBC News.

Zephyr took off from the Yuma Proving Ground at 1440 BST (0640 local time) on Friday, 9 July.

After only 31 hours in the air, it had bettered the official world record for a long-duration flight by a drone; but then it kept on going, unencumbered by the need to take on the liquid fuel that sustains traditional aircraft.

826 What, me worry?  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:04:20pm

re: #817 Stanley Sea

Not marriage material, no.

Now you've gone and disappointed Jason :>

827 Capitalist Tool  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:04:59pm

re: #820 prairiefire

American men abroad in Asia usually are met with much warmth! The misogyny in Asia is rampant. Any woman anywhere wants to be treated with respect and indulged from time to time.

Works fine when young.

Not sure how it would work if a guy was old and ugly like me.

828 Guanxi88  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:05:20pm

re: #820 prairiefire

American men abroad in Asia usually are met with much warmth! The misogyny in Asia is rampant. Any woman anywhere wants to be treated with respect and indulged from time to time.

I've yet to come across a Korean woman married to a Westerner who does not absolutely RULE her home; same for Chinese, and same goes DOUBLE for the ladies of Vietnam and SE Asia. Don't EVER cross them, fellows.

Word is out that Western men aren't hip to the way things work, and so don't realize - or don't mind - that their wives run the show.

829 Mocking Jay  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:05:25pm

re: #826 marjoriemoon

Now you've gone and disappointed Jason :>

Heh. I'm not a huge tattoo fan, actually.

830 freetoken  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:06:04pm

re: #827 Capitalist Tool

Not sure how it would work if a guy was old and ugly like me.

In Japan I came across what seemed like an endless stream of "old and ugly" Westerners who had no problem finding arm candy.

Don't undersell the power of being "different".

831 Kronocide  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:06:18pm

re: #818 Capitalist Tool

I could watch a video in it's entirety. i would have a hard time with something edited.

Watch Breitbart's original video first, then the entire video of Sherrod's casual speech. It will piss you off and burn Breitbart's name into your memory.

Just for good measure, return to the comment section on Breitbart's blog and read the comments. It's a hurr hurrathon.

832 prairiefire  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:06:54pm

re: #828 Guanxi88

My cousin made dinner for his Japanese girlfriend, had it ready for her with a flower when she came home from work. She sat down and cried.
A Japanese wife works 24/7.

833 The Left  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:06:59pm

re: #823 Irenicum

Great post Ice. I too love the diversity here. Being beholden to an ideology that refuses to listen to any other voice other than its own is a sign of intellectual incoherence and not of certainty. Insecurity breeds unwarranted absolutes that, in their stead, breed genocidal certainties that can only do more harm.

That's all too intelligent for me right now. :( No, you're absolutely right imo. I was also just thinking of the narrower view, it's easy to 'hate liberals' or 'hate conservatives' maybe--when you don't interact with any. Once you do, it (hopefully) removes some of that tendency.
Also generally our diversity means you can't get away with making a statement about 'all conservatives' or Teh Left!1! Other places, not so much.
nite!

834 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:07:11pm

re: #824 iceweasel

Wow, speaking of fark-- did someone mention this? Incoming fark-alanche on the republican rape thread.

Yow! cool.

Later folks, have a good one.

Nice. Fark doesn't love us much, hopefully that will change.

835 Gus  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:07:12pm

OK, I've been quiet to long.

So. Just came across this.

Blinding DAZER LASER To Replace Police Tasers? (VIDEO)

Police in the Northwest are considering a new tool for law enforcement. It's called the "Dazer Laser" and is being hailed as a relatively safe method of neutralizing a suspect by temporarily blinding them, Seattle's King 5 reports.

While guns, tasers and pepper spray--all of which are used by police--can cause physical pain and damage, the Dazer Laser emits a "modulating pool of green light" that "temporarily blind[s] and disorient[s] a suspect." According to King 5, the weapon does not cause damage to the eyes, even at close range.

Continues.

Right. Doesn't cause damage. Uh huh.

836 Guanxi88  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:07:22pm

re: #830 freetoken

In Japan I came across what seemed like an endless stream of "old and ugly" Westerners who had no problem finding arm candy.

Don't undersell the power of being "different".

And the stereotypes - at least among Chinese - about Western sexual appetites and proclivities and equipment

837 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:08:12pm

re: #257 Cato the Elder

OK, on a different note entirely.

Anyone want a fast, fun, bloody movie on Netflix Instant?

Try "Blood: The Last Vampire".

It's got everything.

I too have been poring over Netflix instant play offerings of late. There are some gems in there.

838 Racer X  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:08:25pm

Can a dog receive communion?
Embarrassed reverend says it won’t happen again

839 freetoken  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:09:09pm

re: #838 Racer X

So, you're saying dogs don't go to heaven?

840 Digital Display  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:09:30pm

re: #799 iceweasel

Aw honey. That's sweet. :) He's missing you too I'm sure but also having a blast. It's a little trip for him!
Good luck by the way, again. How long is the drive?

Hey Beautiful! (damn Jimmah is so effen lucky) *wink*
I owe you an email,,,Guess what? My A/C just broke...Paulie told me tonight it was some kind of sensor device from the dash control..Can you believe this?
No time for the shop till I hit Ok..So basically..I could be driving in a 72 Chevy with the windows down in 100 degree temp or driving my beemer..Who fricking cares? Windows down and drive really fast...With really really loud Music...I have all the disks ready to go...
No A/c? Jeez...

841 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:09:39pm

re: #835 Gus 802

OK, I've been quiet to long.

So. Just came across this.

Blinding DAZER LASER To Replace Police Tasers? (VIDEO)

Right. Doesn't cause damage. Uh huh.

that...and aren't folks usually running AWAY from the po-po? not sure how modulated green lights daze the back of one's head...maybe it's just getting late here in EST...

842 prairiefire  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:10:22pm

re: #840 HoosierHoops

We are getting a cold front tomorrow. God's speed and safety!

843 cliffster  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:10:47pm

re: #840 HoosierHoops

You have a 470 AC. Roll down 4 windows and go 70mph...

844 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:10:52pm

re: #828 Guanxi88

I've yet to come across a Korean woman married to a Westerner who does not absolutely RULE her home; same for Chinese, and same goes DOUBLE for the ladies of Vietnam and SE Asia. Don't EVER cross them, fellows.

Word is out that Western men aren't hip to the way things work, and so don't realize - or don't mind - that their wives run the show.

I once saw an amazing story on TV about a man (Anglo American), who rescued his Filipina wife's niece from traffickers in Malaysia, with the help of a retired FBI agent who was a buddy.

He had to, because his wife said not to come home without the niece.

845 Gus  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:11:42pm

re: #841 Aceofwhat?

that...and aren't folks usually running AWAY from the po-po? not sure how modulated green lights daze the back of one's head...maybe it's just getting late here in EST...

There you go. It's not even practical.

I'm thinking they'll be blasting it into people eyes and they might have pre-existing conditions or diabetics, detached retinas, etc. Thus causing permanent blindness in some cases.

Of course like you said they'd have to be facing the cop.

846 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:11:45pm

re: #833 iceweasel

That's all too intelligent for me right now. :( No, you're absolutely right imo. I was also just thinking of the narrower view, it's easy to 'hate liberals' or 'hate conservatives' maybe--when you don't interact with any. Once you do, it (hopefully) removes some of that tendency.
Also generally our diversity means you can't get away with making a statement about 'all conservatives' or Teh Left!1! Other places, not so much.
nite!

You can sort of get away with it, it's just that someone will come along almost immediately and complain loudly that you can get away with it.

847 Capitalist Tool  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:12:03pm

re: #831 BigPapa

Watch Breitbart's original video first, then the entire video of Sherrod's casual speech. It will piss you off and burn Breitbart's name into your memory.

Just for good measure, return to the comment section on Breitbart's blog and read the comments. It's a hurr hurrathon.

I gave up on Breitbart long before this and pay him no attention. I don't get how he has any kind of audience.. I've already wasted too much of my time on that putz yesterday and today.

Folks here will go on and on about this or that clown and I have to really try to remember who the hell they are talking about- blew 'em off and forgot 'em a long time ago.

Charles gets in a fit about certain characters and I don't get it... why bother giving them the least thought? I guess he sees it as his duty to shine a light in dark corners, beats me.

848 Guanxi88  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:12:06pm

re: #844 SanFranciscoZionist

I once saw an amazing story on TV about a man (Anglo American), who rescued his Filipina wife's niece from traffickers in Malaysia, with the help of a retired FBI agent who was a buddy.

He had to, because his wife said not to come home without the niece.

You been around enough Chinese women, so you can imagine how forceful a Filipina can be, when even the Chinese warn folk to stay away from those crazy people.

849 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:12:48pm

re: #841 Aceofwhat?

that...and aren't folks usually running AWAY from the po-po? not sure how modulated green lights daze the back of one's head...maybe it's just getting late here in EST...

I think nonlethal weapons are a double edged sword.

On the one hand, it's a way to disable a dangerous person without killing them. On the other hand, the nonlethal nature of them often leads to their overuse in the hands of... well... cowards. We've all seen and read about incidents of police using tasers in absurd ways, or using them excessively.

I can imagine a bunch of visually impaired people walking about because some cop got a little jumpy with the bright lights.

850 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:13:21pm

re: #838 Racer X

Can a dog receive communion?
Embarrassed reverend says it won’t happen again

OK, that's hilarious. If the fella and his dog come back, maybe the Rev. can have a milk bone waiting for him. Or just bless him, which is what we do at school for the kids who aren't Catholics...

851 Mocking Jay  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:13:44pm

re: #845 Gus 802

There you go. It's not even practical.

I'm thinking they'll be blasting it into people eyes and they might have pre-existing conditions or diabetics, detached retinas, etc. Thus causing permanent blindness in some cases.

Of course like you said they'd have to be facing the cop.

Did you see that range? A mile and a half? If that's true I can imagine all kinds of folks having fun while an elected official gives a speech...

852 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:13:48pm

re: #839 freetoken

So, you're saying dogs don't go to heaven?

Dogs are without original sin. They don't need communion.

853 Guanxi88  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:15:04pm

re: #852 SanFranciscoZionist

Dogs are without original sin. They don't need communion.

Gotta quote my hard-boiled yiddish grandfather. pa said "There are no bad dogs or good men."

854 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:15:22pm

re: #847 Capitalist Tool

I gave up on Breitbart long before this and pay him no attention. I don't get how he has any kind of audience.. I've already wasted too much of my time on that putz yesterday and today.

Folks here will go on and on about this or that clown and I have to really try to remember who the hell they are talking about- blew 'em off and forgot 'em a long time ago.

Charles gets in a fit about certain characters and I don't get it... why bother giving them the least thought? I guess he sees it as his duty to shine a light in dark corners, beats me.

What I think pisses so many people off about people like Breitbart is that so much of the MSM legitimatizes them lately. It's one thing to worry about the crazy guy on the street corner screaming about the end of the world. It's quite another thing when the crazy guy has millions of followers and is inciting his equally-crazy audience to do ver bad things.

855 Mocking Jay  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:15:29pm

re: #852 SanFranciscoZionist

Dogs are without original sin. They don't need communion.

Stupid Eve...

/

856 Capitalist Tool  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:15:53pm

re: #844 SanFranciscoZionist

I once saw an amazing story on TV about a man (Anglo American), who rescued his Filipina wife's niece from traffickers in Malaysia, with the help of a retired FBI agent who was a buddy.

He had to, because his wife said not to come home without the niece.

Not sure where that put's Terry whazzis name- you know Timothy McVeigh's sidekick- his wife was a Filipina.

857 Obdicut  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:16:02pm

re: #834 Killgore Trout

Nice. Fark doesn't love us much, hopefully that will change.

Hey, Sgt. Otter, a really cool guy over there, said, in reply to this:


It is. That's the biggest reason LGF has turned against the Republicans over the past couple of years. The Republicans stopped being conservative and started being just batshiat crazy.

this:

Yep. They're the conservatives that realize that Michele Bachmann, Sarah Palin, Joe Barton, Birthers, Orly Taitz and Teabaggers are an embarrassment to conservatives.

I always am surprised, but glad, that some of the real attention whores and douchebags from Fark haven't found their way here.

858 prairiefire  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:16:31pm

This site started as "angrylittleasiangirl." I got my daughter a Tshirt. She is a fierce Samurai maiden.[Link: www.angrylittleasiangirl.com...]

859 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:16:59pm

re: #852 SanFranciscoZionist

Dogs are without original sin. They don't need communion.

Things is, by the same religious tradition, they don't have souls either.

Fuck that, imo. If I have a soul, so does my cat Alfie. He feels all the same emotions I do, loves, gets angry, remembers things, etc. Just because he can't use a symbolic language doesn't make him any less alive than me.

860 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:16:59pm

re: #855 JasonA

Stupid Eve...

/

Mother of all the living...which, as theologians would point out, is why all of us like to poke at the rules to see if there is a loophole somewhere.

861 freetoken  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:17:14pm

Candidates for the GOP nod for Governor of Georgia compete to see which one can be more backwards:

GOP candidates at odds on abortion, sales taxes

One of them (the leader) wants no abortion except if the mother's life is endangered (no excuses for rape), a flat personal income tax locally (rather have a sales tax but doesn't think it will raise enough revenues) and a sales tax nationally.

The other might allow abortion in the case of rape, but wants no income tax but only sales taxes.

These folk really do want to turn the clock back.

862 Digital Display  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:17:19pm

re: #843 cliffster

You have a 470 AC. Roll down 4 windows and go 70mph...

Googlemaps shows that there is a wide swath of 44 that the speed limit is 75...That means 80 with the windows down..The Stereo full bast and pouring ice cold water on my head..LOL
I'm going old school to Oklahoma..

863 Gus  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:17:35pm

I was born innocent.

864 cliffster  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:17:36pm

re: #852 SanFranciscoZionist

My dogs have been sinning all over my carpet lately. Original or no, I'm thinking about a nice doghouse where they can be comfortable living outside.

865 Mocking Jay  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:17:50pm

re: #858 prairiefire

This site started as "angrylittleasiangirl." I got my daughter a Tshirt. She is a fierce Samurai maiden.[Link: www.angrylittleasiangirl.com...]

Heh. "All the Good Ones Are Gay."

Hey, wait...

866 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:18:29pm

re: #856 Capitalist Tool

Not sure where that put's Terry whazzis name- you know Timothy McVeigh's sidekick- his wife was a Filipina.

Nichols.

ADX Florence, that's where that puts him. Filipinas are terrific women, but even they can't save everyone.

867 Capitalist Tool  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:18:33pm

re: #862 HoosierHoops

Googlemaps shows that there is a wide swath of 44 that the speed limit is 75...That means 80 with the windows down..The Stereo full bast and pouring ice cold water on my head..LOL
I'm going old school to Oklahoma..

Well gimme a shout when you whistle through...

868 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:18:45pm

re: #852 SanFranciscoZionist

Dogs are without original sin. They don't need communion.

see? meat is good. women talk men into becoming vegetarians, and the next thing you know, it's "oh honey of course you can eat the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil...you're a vegan...God will understand"

/

869 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:18:45pm

A vodka-soaked puker, Rodan,
likes to stir up the shit where he can.
Poor fellow! it's clear
that his family dear
consists only of those under ban.

Copyright © 2010 Cato the Elder

870 What, me worry?  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:19:54pm

re: #842 prairiefire

We are getting a cold front tomorrow. God's speed and safety!

Tropical Storm Bonnie was downgraded to a Depression which is good news for the gulf. It could pick up wind, but it's traveling at a pretty good clip so will probably not become a hurricane.

[Link: www.nhc.noaa.gov...]

It came over us this morning from about 8-11 a.m.

871 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:20:23pm

good night all

872 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:20:53pm

re: #852 SanFranciscoZionist

Dogs are without original sin. They don't need communion.

And all of them go to heaven.

873 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:20:57pm

re: #859 Fozzie Bear

Things is, by the same religious tradition, they don't have souls either.

Fuck that, imo. If I have a soul, so does my cat Alfie. He feels all the same emotions I do, loves, gets angry, remembers things, etc. Just because he can't use a symbolic language doesn't make him any less alive than me.

Animals obviously have souls. How can anyone look at a dog's eyes, and not be aware that it has a soul?

874 Irenicum  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:21:00pm

re: #863 Gus 802

None of us were. Epigenetics notwithstanding.

875 Guanxi88  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:21:07pm

re: #862 HoosierHoops

Googlemaps shows that there is a wide swath of 44 that the speed limit is 75...That means 80 with the windows down..The Stereo full bast and pouring ice cold water on my head..LOL
I'm going old school to Oklahoma..

I find a large white towel, soaked down in water and draped across the back of the neck, can keep me from dropping dead when I have to drive in the daytime without a/c.

876 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:21:11pm

re: #857 Obdicut

Here's another comment....

Yep. They're the conservatives damn dirty RINOS that realize that Michele Bachmann, Sarah Palin, Joe Barton, Birthers, Orly Taitz and Teabaggers are an embarrassment to conservatives.

FTFY


Oddly enough the Farkers get a lot closer to the truth than Dkos and other lefty sites when it comes to understanding LGF.

877 Gus  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:21:37pm

re: #874 Irenicum

None of us were. Epigenetics notwithstanding.

Sure I was. All babies are innocent.

878 Kronocide  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:22:00pm

re: #847 Capitalist Tool


Charles gets in a fit about certain characters and I don't get it... why bother giving them the least thought? I guess he sees it as his duty to shine a light in dark corners, beats me.

Ruh roh.

I totally get why Charles 'gets in a fit.' This is a current events blog, this is a current and very relevant event. If I posted the same scandal on my blog, it would be a non-story because I get 2 hits a week. Breitbart gets a whole lot and feeds the frenzy.

Honestly, I don't get you.

879 Mocking Jay  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:22:06pm

re: #873 SanFranciscoZionist

Animals obviously have souls. How can anyone look at a dog's eyes, and not be aware that it has a soul?

Eh... what about those of us who don't believe in souls?

880 freetoken  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:22:22pm

re: #873 SanFranciscoZionist

Animals obviously have souls. How can anyone look at a dog's eyes, and not be aware that it has a soul?

Should we clone dogs?

881 Irenicum  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:22:56pm

re: #872 Cato the Elder

We're the only critters in need of forgiveness. As cognizant creatures, we're morally culpable.

882 cliffster  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:23:05pm

re: #862 HoosierHoops

Googlemaps shows that there is a wide swath of 44 that the speed limit is 75...That means 80 with the windows down..The Stereo full bast and pouring ice cold water on my head..LOL
I'm going old school to Oklahoma..

I've done that stretch of 44 from Springfield every November for a few years. Get your car aligned so it goes straight. Then when you get it going down the highway, drift off to sleep. When you get to OKC, the honking horns will wake you up.

883 Guanxi88  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:23:28pm

re: #879 JasonA

Eh... what about those of us who don't believe in souls?

You have them, too.

Atheists, bless their souls, are especially beloved of the Almighty.

884 Gus  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:24:28pm

Back later.

885 Irenicum  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:24:37pm

re: #877 Gus 802

We inherit genes and behavioral tendencies from our parents. None of us is a clean slate.

886 Obdicut  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:24:47pm

re: #876 Killgore Trout

Here's another comment...


Oddly enough the Farkers get a lot closer to the truth than Dkos and other lefty sites when it comes to understanding LGF.

It didn't used to be as bad as it is now. The culture went downhill in a 4chan direction. There are still names over there of people who I learned a lot from. But the moderators don't really moderate, they just police, in a lax fashion: they respond to calls involving gunshots, not with anything less than that.

887 Digital Display  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:25:28pm

re: #867 Capitalist Tool

Well gimme a shout when you whistle through...

I figure to roll into town early Sunday afternoon..(I hope) Check in and check out the neighborhoods but probably hang out in my A/C room and recover..LOL
My Hotel room is about 10 minutes from the OU Campus So I look forward to checking it out...

888 Guanxi88  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:26:22pm

money!

889 researchok  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:26:44pm

For the record, I suspect most here, regardless of ideological bend, all want the same things, from a values perspective.

I believe the differences are minimal. We disagree in how to get there.

In a free society, we don't care about your beliefs. We do care about your actions and behavior. You are free to integrate and to assimilate into our society in whole or in part. We really don't care. Do not tell us we need to care about your beliefs and your concerns above all else and above our own beliefs. If you do try to make that assertion, you will soon be surprised at how easily you will be marginalized and resented- not for your beliefs, but rather, for your attempt to jump to the head of line. You are not more important than anyone else.

We don't care if your are a Christian, Jewish, Muslim or Hindu. You are free to worship as you believe or not worship and not believe. In fact, that is the last thing we worry about. America and free nations have long ago dispensed with the notion that what you believe. It is how you believe is relevant to peaceful existence. Notwithstanding the shrill global religious voices from the pulpits and the media, America has learned to live and let live.

We want to know if you are a good neighbor or an honest business person. We want to know that you'll make sure to keep a watchful eye on your kids and ours, in the neighborhood we live in. We don't really care how you dress (any more than they care how we dress) and we don't care what language you speak in your home. We don't care which newspapers you read or which TV news broadcast you watch. In fact, you are free to change the channel.

If you don't like offensive cartoon you are free not to buy that paper or cancel your subscription. You are free to boycott advertisers and write scathing letters to the editor.

You are not free to react violently or to threaten those you disagree with. Western democracies are just that- free societies and we do not operate under the 'laws of the jungle.' If we did, we would not take kindly to even the first display of barbaric behavior. Your dissent is a right. But it is also a privilege, contained in the same way a painting is contained in a frame. You are free to paint the canvas as you please- as long as you stay within the borders of what is deemed acceptable behavior- that is, behavior that is non violent or destructive.

Just as clearly, we are free to ignore your protests or disagree with your expressions. That is our right- to ignore you- and there is nothing you can do to change that. Your protests are not a mandate of recognition or credibility.

890 Capitalist Tool  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:27:20pm

re: #887 HoosierHoops

I figure to roll into town early Sunday afternoon..(I hope) Check in and check out the neighborhoods but probably hang out in my A/C room and recover..LOL
My Hotel room is about 10 minutes from the OU Campus So I look forward to checking it out...


The key to long distance/fast travel in the heat is water and much more of it than you think you'll need.
You'll actually dehydrate less if you have the windows only cracked as opposed to WFO... less of the blast furnace effect.

891 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:27:27pm

re: #879 JasonA

Eh... what about those of us who don't believe in souls?

I don't really believe in souls either, but the inconsistency of denying that animals have them while asserting that humans do irritates me on a couple of levels.

1. It implicitly asserts that we aren't animals, which is patently absurd.
2. It logically would imply that animals aren't owed the same degree of moral consideration as humans.
3. It creates a separation between us and the rest of nature which is not only false, but I think is ultimately harmful in terms of the cultural/environmental results.
4. It implies the existence of a God that is frankly an asshole.

892 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:27:32pm

re: #881 Irenicum

We're the only critters in need of forgiveness. As cognizant creatures, we're morally culpable.

My dog goes with me every time I go to church and communion.

He doesn't partake of the Eucharist, because, as SFZ said above, he is without sin.

But the pastor always gives him a blessing, and once a year, in honor of Saint Francis, we have the blessing of the animals, where the priest says a prayer over them and you can bring your dog, your cat, your rabbit, or your atheist weasel.

Anyone has anything against Saint Francis, I invite you to take it up with an Alaskan wolf.

893 Guanxi88  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:27:38pm

re: #889 researchok

All sounds good, but you left out the bit about opposing Irish immigration; or does that just sorta go without saying?

894 Obdicut  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:27:45pm

re: #889 researchok

Not a word out of place. Good work, sir.

895 Irenicum  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:27:52pm

re: #879 JasonA

Sorry dude or dudette. According to the biblical witness, every critter has a soul. I find that very appealing actually. That means that every life has meaning.

896 What, me worry?  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:27:54pm

re: #876 Killgore Trout

Here's another comment...


Oddly enough the Farkers get a lot closer to the truth than Dkos and other lefty sites when it comes to understanding LGF.

Maybe I've been around too long, but what about LGF is it that people don't "get"?

897 Mocking Jay  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:27:58pm

Right-wing conspiracy: Sherrod controversy "orchestrated" by the White House to "smear Breitbart"

You know, I'm not sure how much longer I can deal with this crap...

898 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:29:10pm

re: #879 JasonA

Eh... what about those of us who don't believe in souls?

Well, in that case, you can see that a dog is intelligent. Emotional. Self-aware.

899 McSpiff  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:29:12pm

re: #892 Cato the Elder

But yet you mock the prayer list.

900 Targetpractice  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:29:17pm

re: #897 JasonA

Right-wing conspiracy: Sherrod controversy "orchestrated" by the White House to "smear Breitbart"

You know, I'm not sure how much longer I can deal with this crap...

Karl Rove, you magnificent bastard!

///

901 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:29:24pm

re: #880 freetoken

Should we clone dogs?

No, there are too many puppies who need good homes.

902 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:29:38pm

re: #824 iceweasel

Wow, speaking of fark-- did someone mention this? Incoming fark-alanche on the republican rape thread.

Yow! cool.

Later folks, have a good one.

Sleep well, Ice.

903 Mocking Jay  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:29:54pm

re: #900 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Karl Rove, you magnificent bastard!

///

Please don't tell me you read his book...

904 researchok  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:30:06pm

re: #893 Guanxi88

All sounds good, but you left out the bit about opposing Irish immigration; or does that just sorta go without saying?

Irish? Like you're OK with Italians, Jews, Poles, Greeks, Albanians, Turks....

/

905 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:30:57pm

re: #897 JasonA

Right-wing conspiracy: Sherrod controversy "orchestrated" by the White House to "smear Breitbart"

You know, I'm not sure how much longer I can deal with this crap...

Kinda like how Charles and I lured Robert Spencer into joining a racist hate group on Facebook and then exposed him.

"Goddamn bitches set me up!"

906 Capitalist Tool  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:31:06pm

re: #896 marjoriemoon

Maybe I've been around too long, but what about LGF is it that people don't "get"?

as for me, I'm not such a fan of 'dings'

907 Mocking Jay  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:31:18pm

re: #895 Irenicum

Sorry dude or dudette. According to the biblical witness, every critter has a soul. I find that very appealing actually. That means that every life has meaning.

Please forgive me if I refuse to accept that as proof. This isn't something I have the energy to fight over, so I'll leave it at that.

908 Guanxi88  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:31:29pm

re: #904 researchok

Irish? Like you're OK with Italians, Jews, Poles, Greeks, Albanians, Turks...

/

Yep. As I always reminded my officemate - this country went downhill once they let the Irish in, 'cause if you let them in, then you gotta let folks like my Yiddish forebears in. So you see, it's all the Irishers fault.

909 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:31:30pm

re: #906 Capitalist Tool

as for me, I'm not such a fan of 'dings'

Wait till you see mine. /

910 Targetpractice  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:31:35pm

re: #903 JasonA

Please don't tell me you read his book...

Of course. Tis a must for any aspiring member of the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy. I supplement my (frequently late) International Zionist Conspiracy checks with ones from the VRWC offices.

/

911 prairiefire  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:32:04pm

Night, lizards.

912 Mocking Jay  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:32:36pm

re: #905 Cato the Elder

Kinda like how Charles and I lured Robert Spencer into joining a racist hate group on Facebook and then exposed him.

"Goddamn bitches set me up!"

Tricksy lizardses.

913 Capitalist Tool  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:32:46pm

re: #909 Fozzie Bear

Wait till you see mine. /

Shorty, is that you?

914 Corvid  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:32:55pm

re 476 and other related statements.

Exactly. I don't understand why people are pretending like bannings happen by accident or over one incident. It's pretty damned hard to get banned unless you work at it when you're a regular. Conversely, it's pretty damned easy to avoid it: don't be a tool.

We've had something similar before; people who act jekyll/hyde on the internet. People who wind up over at the stalker blog have made a conscious choice to go All Hyde All the Time.
This always affects the community and upsets people. But it shouldn't be blamed on the people on whom Mr Hyde went all Hyde while he was still here.

You can usually see it coming, and I always assume some real life issues in the persons life are overwhelming them. It is generally a good idea to remember that if you only know someone from their internet postings, you don't really know them.

People who wind up at the stalkers have somehow completely lost normal perspective. It is usually tied to some notion of 'defending their LGF identity' (!!) which is why they will continue on having imaginary conversations with people over here, and Charles, for literally years.

I have found the singling out of one individual most interesting. Similarly I found my "welcome" to LGF to be quite remarkable. Icy hostility based on clichés might sum it up. What was missed was that the attacks on me as a completely new member totally missed the essence of what I tried to communicate about myself. That is I am a Pagan, a Witch specifically. While I am not willing to discuss my specific tradition in this sort of extraordinarily hostile group you may go to this site for a pretty accurate description of my beliefs and practice.
[Link: www.reclaiming.org...]
For the more hostile and negativistic of you I leave this blessing and this curse.

May Brigid of the holy waters bless you and give you the burden of compassion and of understanding. May you use these gifts to help those around you.

Now I stand on my left foot, point my left hand at the angriest and cruelest among you and look to you through my left eye and I say to you. May the Morrigan's dark wing shade you and quiet your hatred. I place the curse upon you that you shall always feel the pain of those you afflict.

I say this as Crow.

915 What, me worry?  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:33:03pm

re: #891 Fozzie Bear

I don't really believe in souls either, but the inconsistency of denying that animals have them while asserting that humans do irritates me on a couple of levels.

1. It implicitly asserts that we aren't animals, which is patently absurd.
2. It logically would imply that animals aren't owed the same degree of moral consideration as humans.
3. It creates a separation between us and the rest of nature which is not only false, but I think is ultimately harmful in terms of the cultural/environmental results.
4. It implies the existence of a God that is frankly an asshole.

hehe Well I do believe in souls and God, but I like your analysis just the same.

A righteous man knows the soul of his animal - Proverbs 12:10

Judaism spends a good amount of time talking about the humane treatment of animals which is one of many reasons why I dig it.

916 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:33:04pm

re: #896 marjoriemoon

Maybe I've been around too long, but what about LGF is it that people don't "get"?


Lefties assume that the great conversion at LGF is because of the superiority of leftist thought instead of the fact that lefties were batshit insane under the Bush years. Michael Moore and Dan Rather were lying douchebags. 9-11 conspiracies and antisemitism were rife on Dkos and other lefty sites. Rove was to the lefties what Acorn is to conservatives today. The Palestenians are still genocidal maniacs. Just because the right went nuts doesn't really excuse what the left was doing under the Bush regime. Crazy is as crazy does.

917 Irenicum  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:33:07pm

re: #907 JasonA

I know using "biblical" witness isn't a legit form of discourse. But it is what I believe in. We're cool.

918 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:33:19pm

re: #908 Guanxi88

Yep. As I always reminded my officemate - this country went downhill once they let the Irish in, 'cause if you let them in, then you gotta let folks like my Yiddish forebears in. So you see, it's all the Irishers fault.

Ah, they only let in the Irish because they'd already let in the Germans.

(Ben Franklin, BTW, fretted about German-language schools. Stress about bilingual education goes way back in this country. As you can see, he was correct, the Germans never learned English, or assimilated, and really haven't become Americans. //////)

919 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:33:23pm

re: #913 Capitalist Tool

Shorty, is that you?

No, it's the angry inch to you!

920 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:33:23pm

re: #899 McSpiff

But yet you mock the prayer list.

No, twit. I was having a stupid fight with Hoops, and lost my cool.

Don't make me do it again.

921 Digital Display  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:34:49pm

re: #882 cliffster

I've done that stretch of 44 from Springfield every November for a few years. Get your car aligned so it goes straight. Then when you get it going down the highway, drift off to sleep. When you get to OKC, the honking horns will wake you up.

LOL...That is so funny
Can I say that no lizards should buy a Beemer..Nomatter what happens from the littlest thing is at least 500 bucks.. I had some little freaking belt tensioner thinging dinging break last week...511 dollars..What an effen surprise that was...The last thing Paule told me when I left his house tonight..
Call me if you break down...
Thanks Paulie
Dang it! Yes the Cell is charging

922 McSpiff  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:34:52pm

re: #920 Cato the Elder

No, twit. I was having a stupid fight with Hoops, and lost my cool.

Don't make me do it again.

Or what, you'll get a time out? Disgraceful.

923 Racer X  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:35:11pm

I'm eating homemade, fresh blueberry - peach cobbler (warm) with vanilla ice cream.

924 Mocking Jay  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:35:17pm

re: #917 Irenicum

I know using "biblical" witness isn't a legit form of discourse. But it is what I believe in. We're cool.

Well... I do get somewhat offended when told that life doesn't have any meaning without God.

925 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:35:34pm

re: #869 Cato the Elder

A vodka-soaked puker, Rodan,
likes to stir up the shit where he can.
Poor fellow! it's clear
that his family dear
consists only of those under ban.

Copyright © 2010 Cato the Elder

[applauds vigorously]

926 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:35:41pm

re: #922 McSpiff

Or what, you'll get a time out? Disgraceful.

You disgrace yourself.

927 Guanxi88  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:35:59pm

re: #918 SanFranciscoZionist

Ah, they only let in the Irish because they'd already let in the Germans.

(Ben Franklin, BTW, fretted about German-language schools. Stress about bilingual education goes way back in this country. As you can see, he was correct, the Germans never learned English, or assimilated, and really haven't become Americans. ///)

Germans are fine. I mean, they haven't caused problems anywhere ever. Unlike those noisy, quarrelsome, fecund Sons of Eire, Fritz is sober, industrious, law-abiding, and peaceful. Nope, it's the Irish. And the Norwegians.

928 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:36:08pm

re: #924 JasonA

Well... I do get somewhat offended when told that life doesn't have any meaning without God.

It tends to irritate me to, if only because of the astounding arrogance of such a statement.

929 What, me worry?  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:36:31pm

re: #906 Capitalist Tool

as for me, I'm not such a fan of 'dings'

I like the ding. Mostly because if I don't particularly want to articulate my feelings, I can usually find someone who does. I don't often downding.

930 McSpiff  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:36:41pm

re: #926 Cato the Elder

Whatever you need to tell yourself.

931 What, me worry?  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:36:46pm

re: #906 Capitalist Tool

as for me, I'm not such a fan of 'dings'

I had to ding you for that btw.

932 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:36:57pm

re: #924 JasonA

Well... I do get somewhat offended when told that life doesn't have any meaning without God.

That's backwards. Life has meaning. Some of us attribute that meaning to God, others don't.

933 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:37:12pm

re: #930 McSpiff

Whatever you need to tell yourself.

Go tie your balls in a knot.

934 Racer X  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:37:23pm

re: #923 Racer X

I'm eating homemade, fresh blueberry - peach cobbler (warm) with vanilla ice cream.

OMG - this stuff is really good.

*bows to my wonderful wife*

935 cliffster  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:39:05pm

Off to bed I go. G'night folks, peace and purpose to all yall..

936 freetoken  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:39:09pm

And now... exactly what the world desperately needs:

Sarah Palin's son-in-law to star in music video

The 20-year-old Johnston is cast as a lover whose romance is thwarted by his girlfriend's disapproving mother...

937 Capitalist Tool  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:39:18pm

re: #931 marjoriemoon

I had to ding you for that btw.

Thanks, I guess.
Help make up for yesterday.
Got torn a new one for saying I didn't trust the media.

938 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:39:49pm

re: #914 Corvid

Don't worry, some of us are pretty versed on wicca, I think I still have my old copy of Drawing Down The Moon floating around my apartment

939 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:39:58pm

re: #922 McSpiff

Or what, you'll get a time out? Disgraceful.

He screwed up, he apologized, and Hoops forgave him.

Drop it.

940 Mocking Jay  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:40:01pm

re: #932 SanFranciscoZionist

That's backwards. Life has meaning. Some of us attribute that meaning to God, others don't.

I was just going by what Irenicum said:
re: #895 Irenicum

Sorry dude or dudette. According to the biblical witness, every critter has a soul. I find that very appealing actually. That means that every life has meaning.

Which means that something needs to have a soul to have meaning.

On the other hand I'm perfectly fine with the idea that nothing at all has meaning. We'll see how things work out during the heat death of the universe.

941 Irenicum  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:40:57pm

re: #924 JasonA

I haven't said that myself. I know others have. I'm open to an idea of reality that acknowledges that a non-theistic interpretation of it isn't necessarily antagonistic to a theistic understanding. I do have an open mind.

942 Amory Blaine  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:40:57pm

I'm agnostic/atheist only because I can't prove there's no god. So from my perspective, this is how I view religion : If it brings you comfort and peace in your life or makes you a better person, I'm all for it.

943 researchok  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:41:06pm

re: #938 WindUpBird

Don't worry, some of us are pretty versed on wicca, I think I still have my old copy of Drawing Down The Moon floating around my apartment

I keep a copy of the Carnegie Deli menu. It really is elevating.

944 Kronocide  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:41:17pm

I sense a disturbance in The Force. Time to open my bottle of Bowemore.

945 Capitalist Tool  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:41:29pm

re: #940 JasonA

Which means that something needs to have a soul to have meaning.

On the other hand I'm perfectly fine with the idea that nothing at all has meaning. We'll see how things work out during the heat death of the universe.

a prelude to the great out- breath and it all begins again

946 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:41:47pm

re: #921 HoosierHoops

LOL...That is so funny
Can I say that no lizards should buy a Beemer..Nomatter what happens from the littlest thing is at least 500 bucks.. I had some little freaking belt tensioner thinging dinging break last week...511 dollars..What an effen surprise that was...The last thing Paule told me when I left his house tonight..
Call me if you break down...
Thanks Paulie
Dang it! Yes the Cell is charging

I've got a VW, and it's expensive enough on repairs. My next car is probably going to be something domestic and extremely fast that any local grease monkey can figure out :D

947 Targetpractice  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:41:47pm

re: #936 freetoken

And now... exactly what the world desperately needs:

Sarah Palin's son-in-law to star in music video

What a great way to win over your future in-laws.

/

948 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:42:20pm

re: #938 WindUpBird

Don't worry, some of us are pretty versed on wicca, I think I still have my old copy of Drawing Down The Moon floating around my apartment

The Moon Is Mine!

949 Mocking Jay  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:42:37pm

re: #941 Irenicum

I haven't said that myself. I know others have. I'm open to an idea of reality that acknowledges that a non-theistic interpretation of it isn't necessarily antagonistic to a theistic understanding. I do have an open mind.

Nah, I didn't mean to make it sound like I thought you were being antagonistic. I'm feeling sleepy and stuff, so I probably shouldn't be having a philosophical conversation in the first place.

950 McSpiff  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:42:41pm

re: #939 Dark_Falcon

Dropped but not forgotten.

951 Amory Blaine  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:43:04pm

re: #947 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

What a great way to win over your future in-laws.

/

Levi "Big" Johnsons debut!!!

952 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:43:10pm

re: #936 freetoken

And now... exactly what the world desperately needs:

Sarah Palin's son-in-law to star in music video

Stretching his 15 minutes out as far as he can.

953 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:43:21pm

re: #950 McSpiff

Dropped but not forgotten.

Same here, McSpook.

954 researchok  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:43:29pm

re: #944 BigPapa

I sense a disturbance in The Force. Time to open my bottle of Bowemore.

Have me in mind. I've got a splitting headache.re: #946 WindUpBird

I've got a VW, and it's expensive enough on repairs. My next car is probably going to be something domestic and extremely fast that any local grease monkey can figure out :D

Get a Ford. They'll likely be around.

955 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:43:40pm

re: #886 Obdicut

It didn't used to be as bad as it is now. The culture went downhill in a 4chan direction. There are still names over there of people who I learned a lot from. But the moderators don't really moderate, they just police, in a lax fashion: they respond to calls involving gunshots, not with anything less than that.

4chan is like salt, a little of it is tasty, but too much...

956 Irenicum  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:43:49pm

re: #949 JasonA

No problem. It is late.

957 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:43:53pm

re: #950 McSpiff

Dropped but not forgotten.

Fair enough.

958 Amory Blaine  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:44:05pm

re: #954 researchok

Get a Ford. They'll likely be around.

+1 This

959 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:44:11pm

re: #938 WindUpBird

pssst...my biggest client is a witch. I love her, kindest, smartest etc. but really, kindest, if I can put it into words.

960 Guanxi88  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:44:25pm

re: #950 McSpiff

Dropped but not forgotten.

Look away! Look away! Look away, Dixie Land.

961 McSpiff  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:45:08pm

re: #954 researchok

Get a Ford. They'll likely be around.

Always easy to find parts for. Apparently Saturns are good at the moment too, a lot of people getting rid of them now that the brands been dropped.

962 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:45:09pm

Even if Ford goes under there are so freaking many of their cars in the US that there will be parts easily available for decades.

963 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:45:14pm

re: #948 Cato the Elder

The Moon Is Mine!

[Video]

We Like The Moon!

(Warning for those who have not seen this...it's fairly strange.)

[Link: www.rathergood.com...]

964 researchok  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:45:52pm

re: #961 McSpiff

Always easy to find parts for. Apparently Saturns are good at the moment too, a lot of people getting rid of them now that the brands been dropped.

Yes, I jeard GM dealers will honor all warranty work.

965 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:46:05pm

re: #954 researchok

Get a Ford. They'll likely be around.

I'm probably going GM, because I still have a sentimental love for Pontiacs (even when they's actually Holdens) and that corvette engine in the thing is everywhere, so it shouldn't be too hard keeping it on the road...

966 Mocking Jay  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:46:14pm

re: #945 Capitalist Tool

a prelude to the great out- breath and it all begins again

Heat death? Nah, the universe never ends in the first place. I could be confusing heat and cold death, though...

967 Guanxi88  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:46:48pm

re: #946 WindUpBird

I've got a VW, and it's expensive enough on repairs. My next car is probably going to be something domestic and extremely fast that any local grease monkey can figure out :D

Much as I love Fritz the Diesel Death Snail, my little Geo metro is currently my candidate for easiest and cheapest car to fix. When it finally drops dead, I'll just take the change outta the cup holder, the tobacco outta the glovebox, siphon the last of the gas outta the tank, and then torch the f*cker by the side of the road. How's that for a repair and maintenance schedule?

968 McSpiff  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:47:05pm

re: #964 researchok

Yes, I jeard GM dealers will honor all warranty work.

Even better. Not the flashiest, but not a bad car at all.

969 researchok  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:47:29pm

re: #965 WindUpBird

I'm probably going GM, because I still have a sentimental love for Pontiacs (even when they's actually Holdens) and that corvette engine in the thing is everywhere, so it shouldn't be too hard keeping it on the road...

See, I'd have pegged you for a Firebird guy.

My GF knows a shitload about cars. Here dad used to race em.

Me, I know squat.

970 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:47:57pm

re: #963 SanFranciscoZionist

We Like The Moon!

(Warning for those who have not seen this...it's fairly strange.)

[Link: www.rathergood.com...]

SFZ - wth? lol

971 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:48:13pm

re: #967 Guanxi88

Much as I love Fritz the Diesel Death Snail, my little Geo metro is currently my candidate for easiest and cheapest car to fix. When it finally drops dead, I'll just take the change outta the cup holder, the tobacco outta the glovebox, siphon the last of the gas outta the tank, and then torch the f*cker by the side of the road. How's that for a repair and maintenance schedule?


ahahahahahahahahahah

Walk away like Evel Kenievel :D Friend of mine has a 1992 Ford Escort, he's slowly learning how to just repair the whole thing himself, since it only cost him a few hundred bucks, he's not afraid of messing it up

972 researchok  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:48:18pm

re: #968 McSpiff

Even better. Not the flashiest, but not a bad car at all.

I was hoping someone would buy the marque.

They have a good product and loyal base of clients.

973 Irenicum  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:48:21pm

re: #963 SanFranciscoZionist

Wow. I have no words.

974 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:49:06pm

re: #969 researchok

See, I'd have pegged you for a Firebird guy.

My GF knows a shitload about cars. Here dad used to race em.

Me, I know squat.

I was a Firebird guy! I had one in high school. But the new GTO (rebaged Holden) is 400HP and has usable back seats :D

975 Racer X  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:49:25pm

1000!

976 Capitalist Tool  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:49:41pm

re: #965 WindUpBird

I'm probably going GM, because I still have a sentimental love for Pontiacs (even when they's actually Holdens) and that corvette engine in the thing is everywhere, so it shouldn't be too hard keeping it on the road...

Even though I drive a Silverado, I've sworn off all future GM purchases. Same for Chrysler.

977 What, me worry?  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:49:47pm

re: #916 Killgore Trout

Lefties assume that the great conversion at LGF is because of the superiority of leftist thought instead of the fact that lefties were batshit insane under the Bush years. Michael Moore and Dan Rather were lying douchebags. 9-11 conspiracies and antisemitism were rife on Dkos and other lefty sites. Rove was to the lefties what Acorn is to conservatives today. The Palestenians are still genocidal maniacs. Just because the right went nuts doesn't really excuse what the left was doing under the Bush regime. Crazy is as crazy does.

I don't know about all that! As a Leftie, I thought many, certainly not all, of the complaints about Bush were legit targets. The parts of the Patriot Act that dealt with wire tapping, for one. I'm not a fan of the faith based initiative. Tax cuts for the rich. Off the top of my tired little head.

I think what folks don't get is that they never got Charles. He didn't speak much about domestic policy in the early years, but when he did, he was usually (always?) on the Left. Terri Schiavo comes to mind.

I never heard of the idea that this place jogged Left because it's the superior thought (I mean, I certainly think so lol). Charles didn't so much go to the Left as much as he gave up on the Right... if that makes sense.

978 webevintage  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:50:09pm

re: #975 Racer X

1000!

not yet

979 researchok  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:50:18pm

re: #974 WindUpBird

usable back seats...

We all have to grow up.

980 Guanxi88  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:50:21pm

re: #963 SanFranciscoZionist

We Like The Moon!

(Warning for those who have not seen this...it's fairly strange.)

[Link: www.rathergood.com...]

How dare they.

Err, explain our advanced culture to them:

981 McSpiff  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:50:25pm

re: #972 researchok

I was hoping someone would buy the marque.

They have a good product and loyal base of clients.

At one level, yes I'd love to see it keep going. On the other hand I wouldn't want to see it change... which seems foolish.

982 webevintage  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:50:34pm

do I get a pony?

983 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:50:42pm

re: #963 SanFranciscoZionist

ahh Rathergood FTW

Here's that Iron Maiden thing he did...

984 freetoken  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:50:56pm

Brings new meaning to the phrase "Piss on you":


Woman hurls bag of urine at California officers

Police said a California woman tried to run over a man with her car, then hurled a bag of urine at arresting officers. Pasadena Lt. Chris Russ said 39-year-old Monica Avila was booked for investigation of attempted murder.

Investigators said the brother of Avila's ex-boyfriend notified police there was a trespasser on his property at about 3 a.m. Thursday. When the 44-year-old man went outside to talk to Avila, she allegedly tried to run him over with her vehicle and fled.

Police spotted her a short time later and pulled her over.

The lieutenant said Avila suddenly removed her urostomy bag and threw it at the three arresting officers, who were splashed with urine.

985 What, me worry?  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:51:04pm

re: #937 Capitalist Tool

Thanks, I guess.
Help make up for yesterday.
Got torn a new one for saying I didn't trust the media.

The LLL Media??

986 Kronocide  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:51:40pm

re: #984 freetoken

She must have been pissed off.

987 Digital Display  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:52:15pm

re: #982 webevintage

do I get a pony?

No Pony for you!
/Pony Nazi

988 Irenicum  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:52:22pm

My fav car was a 78 Chevy Caprice. Truly a land yacht. Nobody tailgated me. I intimidated taxis. Damn I miss that car.

989 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:52:30pm

re: #976 Capitalist Tool

Even though I drive a Silverado, I've sworn off all future GM purchases. Same for Chrysler.

This isn't a GM product technically, it's a Holden product: [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Different corporate culture, cars manufactured in Australia. better build quality!

990 Obdicut  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:53:30pm

re: #914 Corvid

Dude, you are so making a mountain of crow feathers out of a molehill made by a scarab.

And by that I mean I can't believe you still are bugged that people in a thread thought it might be a sign you were a troll that your name was 'jcrow'.

Because it might have been a sign you were a troll, and you did write a post that was syntactically ambiguous enough to seem like you might be criticizing the NAACP primarily.

And no self-respecting witch or pagan I've ever met has cursed anyone. I don't think that's cool.

But I do think this song is cool:

991 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:54:41pm

re: #981 McSpiff

At one level, yes I'd love to see it keep going. On the other hand I wouldn't want to see it change... which seems foolish.

I'm frustrated with GM re: Saturn, they basically were doing what Toyota is doing now with Scion, targeting young people and people who didn't want to buy cars the old way, and then they basically just ignored the brand and let it rot on the vine. :/

992 McSpiff  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:55:01pm

re: #990 Obdicut

Don't play into it. Dude might not be a troll, but he's definitely a drama seeker.

993 Capitalist Tool  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:56:40pm

re: #977 marjoriemoon

I don't know about all that! As a Leftie, I thought many, certainly not all, of the complaints about Bush were legit targets. The parts of the Patriot Act that dealt with wire tapping, for one. I'm not a fan of the faith based initiative. Tax cuts for the rich. Off the top of my tired little head.

I think what folks don't get is that they never got Charles. He didn't speak much about domestic policy in the early years, but when he did, he was usually (always?) on the Left. Terri Schiavo comes to mind.

I never heard of the idea that this place jogged Left because it's the superior thought (I mean, I certainly think so lol). Charles didn't so much go to the Left as much as he gave up on the Right... if that makes sense.


Tax cuts for the rich? Didin't they get the same 5% cut that everyone else got?
That was a lot smaller- proportionately percentage wise cut than was given to the lowest tax bracket, which got a full 33% tax cut, (5% cut - 15% bracket - ednded up 10% bracket).

Now, the coming expiration of the Bush tax cuts will mean the lowest tax bracket will get a full 50% increase... 10% to 15%.
How about that?

994 Daniel Ballard  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:56:47pm

re: #986 BigPapa

She must have been pissed off.

Proof of the old adage it's better to be pissed off than pissed on.

995 Racer X  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:56:58pm

Crabs.
You've never had them like this.

Image: qBJWg.jpg

996 researchok  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:57:33pm

re: #977 marjoriemoon

I don't know about all that! As a Leftie, I thought many, certainly not all, of the complaints about Bush were legit targets. The parts of the Patriot Act that dealt with wire tapping, for one. I'm not a fan of the faith based initiative. Tax cuts for the rich. Off the top of my tired little head.

I think what folks don't get is that they never got Charles. He didn't speak much about domestic policy in the early years, but when he did, he was usually (always?) on the Left. Terri Schiavo comes to mind.

I never heard of the idea that this place jogged Left because it's the superior thought (I mean, I certainly think so lol). Charles didn't so much go to the Left as much as he gave up on the Right... if that makes sense.

Charles isn't a party hack. It's that simple. He's a thinker, first and foremost and beyond that he is comfortable in his moral shoes. Most tellingly, he never claims to get it right all the time. If he is in err, he admits to that.

He may have written off the GOP for now but he acknowledges the contribution conservatism has made. He takes his positions based not on a particular dogma or ideology but rather on a moral and ethical basis.

He is in essence a real American iconoclast and patriot. All to often that gets lost.

997 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:58:15pm

re: #984 freetoken

Brings new meaning to the phrase "Piss on you":

Woman hurls bag of urine at California officers

She was probably wasted, and had a, er, weapon. But attempted murder? She's fucked.

998 researchok  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:59:25pm

re: #989 WindUpBird

This isn't a GM product technically, it's a Holden product: [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Different corporate culture, cars manufactured in Australia. better build quality!

Whenever I hear the world 'quality' when referring to cars, I think of the Saab I used to own.

It was the best/worst car I ever owned.

When it ran well, it was incredible.

999 Guanxi88  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:59:32pm
1000 The Left  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:59:48pm

re: #916 Killgore Trout

Lefties assume that the great conversion at LGF is because of the superiority of leftist thought instead of the fact that lefties were batshit insane under the Bush years. Michael Moore and Dan Rather were lying douchebags. 9-11 conspiracies and antisemitism were rife on Dkos and other lefty sites. Rove was to the lefties what Acorn is to conservatives today. The Palestenians are still genocidal maniacs. Just because the right went nuts doesn't really excuse what the left was doing under the Bush regime. Crazy is as crazy does.

What? Not this leftie.

I have no problem condemning those excesses of the left and always have. I've said repeatedly the left didnt really get a grip til post 2004.

This doesn't mean I can't also have had good and rational concerns about the Bush admin, which i did. Many of those same issues bug me about the Obama admin too, btw.

Crazy is as crazy does indeed, and the batshit crazy on the right now IS dfferent than the left under Bush because it's being mainstreamed more. This doesn't say anything intrinsic about the 'nature' of those on the left or the right, good or bad, just a meta comment on what has actually happened.

Also, i really didnt expect the GOP to collapse as completely as it has. I thought they'd be much faster to get a grip and regroup than the left under Bush -- because they've always been so much better at messaging until recently, and they had the example of the excesses of the left to learn from there.
They learned the wrong message so far, apparently.

1001 Irenicum  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:59:53pm

Well kids. I'd love to be the 1000th post on this thread, but I don't think I will.

1002 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 9:59:56pm

re: #990 Obdicut

Songs about witches GO!

1003 McSpiff  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:00:23pm

re: #998 researchok

You're not a doctor by any chance?

1004 Irenicum  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:00:38pm

re: #1001 Irenicum

And why the hell is that even important to me?

1005 Obdicut  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:01:13pm

re: #1002 WindUpBird

1006 Daniel Ballard  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:01:22pm

re: #991 WindUpBird

I'm frustrated with GM re: Saturn, they basically were doing what Toyota is doing now with Scion, targeting young people and people who didn't want to buy cars the old way, and then they basically just ignored the brand and let it rot on the vine. :/

I wish Saturn was still out there without GM. The Tennessee cars were great. I bought one at 92,000 and I drove it today 40 miles r/t in the heat and traffic. 180,000+
Same old engine, trans, axles. Not even a valve job.

1007 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:01:30pm

re: #963 SanFranciscoZionist

We Like The Moon!

(Warning for those who have not seen this...it's fairly strange.)

[Link: www.rathergood.com...]

Remember when they were selling Quiznos?

1008 Mocking Jay  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:02:25pm
1009 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:02:47pm

Quiznos' prime rib sandwich is beyond delicious.

As is Nutella on toast, with which I am currently stuffing my face.

1010 researchok  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:02:50pm

re: #1003 McSpiff

You're not a doctor by any chance?

No.

Why do you ask?

1011 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:03:00pm

re: #984 freetoken

Brings new meaning to the phrase "Piss on you":

Woman hurls bag of urine at California officers

That's assault. I hope she gets few months in jail to remind her that she was wrong to do that.

1012 Guanxi88  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:03:05pm
1013 Capitalist Tool  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:03:29pm

Why am I not in bed?
Oh, well.
armageddon outta here.
smell y'all later

1014 Mocking Jay  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:03:38pm

re: #1007 goddamnedfrank

Remember when they were selling Quiznos?


[Video]

I wouldn't try Quiznos for the longest time because of those damn talking babies ads. I hate ads with talking babies.

1015 Racer X  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:03:57pm

Jesus really wants you take all those stupid bumperstickers off your car. Especially the ones blocking your rear window. Its a safety hazard.

Image: o8cPM.jpg

1016 McSpiff  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:04:21pm

re: #1010 researchok

No.

Why do you ask?

Saabs have a reputation around here for being driven by doctors. No idea why, but almost all the Saab drivers I've met were doctors. Figured I'd ask.

1017 What, me worry?  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:04:38pm

re: #993 Capitalist Tool

Tax cuts for the rich? Didin't they get the same 5% cut that everyone else got?
That was a lot smaller- proportionately percentage wise cut than was given to the lowest tax bracket, which got a full 33% tax cut, (5% cut - 15% bracket - ednded up 10% bracket).

Now, the coming expiration of the Bush tax cuts will mean the lowest tax bracket will get a full 50% increase... 10% to 15%.
How about that?

I'll have to do this with you when I'm a little more conscious, but I can barely keep my eyes open... rain check?

1018 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:04:53pm

re: #1000 iceweasel

What? Not this leftie.

I have no problem condemning those excesses of the left and always have. I've said repeatedly the left didnt really get a grip til post 2004.

This doesn't mean I can't also have had good and rational concerns about the Bush admin, which i did. Many of those same issues bug me about the Obama admin too, btw.

Crazy is as crazy does indeed, and the batshit crazy on the right now IS dfferent than the left under Bush because it's being mainstreamed more. This doesn't say anything intrinsic about the 'nature' of those on the left or the right, good or bad, just a meta comment on what has actually happened.

Also, i really didnt expect the GOP to collapse as completely as it has. I thought they'd be much faster to get a grip and regroup than the left under Bush -- because they've always been so much better at messaging until recently, and they had the example of the excesses of the left to learn from there.
They learned the wrong message so far, apparently.

Think about how mainstream and easily accessible ultra-right-wing thought is now, then think about where you'd have to go to find virulent anti-war thought under Bush. Basically there was Michael Moore, and the internet. Dan Rather wasn't an editorial fist-pounding extremist, he was just a dishonest bastard. Abnd of course when Dan Rather was caught lying, he was canned.Ultra-right-wingers have their own cable news channel! And nobody's going to fire Beck or o'Reilly or any of these other guys for what they do.

Part of it is simply that it's easy to sell to the lowest common denominator, it's easy to sell an extremely simple message, and that benefits the right wing in the media.

1019 McSpiff  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:05:03pm

re: #1015 Racer X

...Florida has pro-life license plates? Really?

1020 researchok  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:05:16pm

re: #1016 McSpiff

Saabs have a reputation around here for being driven by doctors. No idea why, but almost all the Saab drivers I've met were doctors. Figured I'd ask.

I am in the mental health field (no, not a patient)- behaviorist.

1021 McSpiff  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:05:42pm

re: #1019 McSpiff

...Florida has pro-life license plates? Really?

PIMF: has vanity pro-life license plates.

1022 Mocking Jay  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:05:43pm

re: #1015 Racer X

Jesus really wants you take all those stupid bumperstickers off your car. Especially the ones blocking your rear window. Its a safety hazard.

Image: o8cPM.jpg

One of them says "America Bless God." Fuck magnets, I want to know how that works?!?

1023 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:05:57pm

re: #1005 Obdicut

1024 McSpiff  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:06:16pm

re: #1020 researchok

I am in the mental health field (no, not a patient)- behaviorist.

Interesting. If its alright with you, I'm counting that as a point ;-)

1025 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:06:37pm

re: #1018 WindUpBird

Think about how mainstream and easily accessible ultra-right-wing thought is now, then think about where you'd have to go to find virulent anti-war thought under Bush. Basically there was Michael Moore, and the internet. Dan Rather wasn't an editorial fist-pounding extremist, he was just a dishonest bastard. Abnd of course when Dan Rather was caught lying, he was canned.Ultra-right-wingers have their own cable news channel! And nobody's going to fire Beck or o'Reilly or any of these other guys for what they do.

Part of it is simply that it's easy to sell to the lowest common denominator, it's easy to sell an extremely simple message, and that benefits the right wing in the media.

Remeber the whole "liberal media!!" meme? It's even dumber in retrospect.

1026 researchok  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:07:01pm

re: #1018 WindUpBird

Think about how mainstream and easily accessible ultra-right-wing thought is now, then think about where you'd have to go to find virulent anti-war thought under Bush. Basically there was Michael Moore, and the internet. Dan Rather wasn't an editorial fist-pounding extremist, he was just a dishonest bastard. Abnd of course when Dan Rather was caught lying, he was canned.Ultra-right-wingers have their own cable news channel! And nobody's going to fire Beck or o'Reilly or any of these other guys for what they do.

Part of it is simply that it's easy to sell to the lowest common denominator, it's easy to sell an extremely simple message, and that benefits the right wing in the media.

The Rather reference is a good one.

That said, what CNN/Eason Jordan did in Iraq during Saddam's reign elicited no more than a self righteous 'mea culpa'.

1027 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:07:14pm

re: #1008 JasonA

Filed under Broken Clock Syndrome:

Tom Tancredo: Impeach Obama! Fox News: That's Ridiculous (VIDEO)

I'd file that under "We don't want crazy around us when it can hurt us". Tancredo's little patch of insanity is too out there, and even Sean Hannity would admit there's nothing to charge Obama with.

1028 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:07:22pm

re: #998 researchok

Whenever I hear the world 'quality' when referring to cars, I think of the Saab I used to own.

It was the best/worst car I ever owned.

When it ran well, it was incredible.

They're all turbocharged, lots of pep in those things *_*

1029 Obdicut  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:07:31pm

re: #1023 WindUpBird

Metal makes me laugh; I don't mean that in a bad way.

It's like a drag show.

1030 researchok  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:08:10pm

re: #1024 McSpiff

Interesting. If its alright with you, I'm counting that as a point ;-)

Let me tell you, there are days I want to be a patient.

1031 Amory Blaine  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:08:15pm

re: #1008 JasonA

Filed under Broken Clock Syndrome:

Tom Tancredo: Impeach Obama! Fox News: That's Ridiculous (VIDEO)

Typical FOX. Let Tancredos feak flag fly unchallenged then the small disclosure in the end.

Why let him speak at all? If it's not to let him get out his message?

1032 Nimed  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:08:23pm

re: #916 Killgore Trout

Lefties assume that the great conversion at LGF is because of the superiority of leftist thought instead of the fact that lefties were batshit insane under the Bush years. Michael Moore and Dan Rather were lying douchebags. 9-11 conspiracies and antisemitism were rife on Dkos and other lefty sites. Rove was to the lefties what Acorn is to conservatives today. The Palestenians are still genocidal maniacs. Just because the right went nuts doesn't really excuse what the left was doing under the Bush regime. Crazy is as crazy does.

Call me PC, but I wince every time I see something like that written. Is it really necessary to call 12 million people genocidal maniacs?

1033 Racer X  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:08:51pm

Russian pothole

In Soviet Russia, pothole owns YOU!

1034 Mocking Jay  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:09:03pm

re: #1027 Dark_Falcon

I'd file that under "We don't want crazy around us when it can hurt us". Tancredo's little patch of insanity is too out there, and even Sean Hannity would admit there's nothing to charge Obama with.

I was listening to that little shit-stain on the underwear of "journalism" today. Still bringing up Sherrod. I'm kinda surprised they just don't talk about something else.

1035 Irenicum  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:09:09pm

Ice brings up an important issue. I started out as a strong Bush supporter. I turned against him after the Iraq War turned out to be built on false pretenses. I've been strongly against Bush ever since. My politics is not typically built on the left/right divide. My Christian convictions are deeply orthodox and yet also deeply Anabaptist in its orientation. That's why I defy any political understanding. Or at least I hope to.

1036 researchok  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:09:19pm

re: #1028 WindUpBird

They're all turbocharged, lots of pep in those things *_*

You know, it wasn't just the pep. It was like you were wearing the damn car. Handling was unbelievable.

1037 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:11:11pm

re: #1029 Obdicut

Metal makes me laugh; I don't mean that in a bad way.

It's like a drag show.

it makes me laugh too, and I love it. :D It's like horror movies and muscle cars and kabuki all at once

Though sometimes it's pretty artsy too!

1038 researchok  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:11:17pm

re: #1031 Amory Blaine

Typical FOX. Let Tancredos feak flag fly unchallenged then the small disclosure in the end.

Why let him speak at all? If it's not to let him get out his message?

You're missing the point. I want him to speak, I want people to know exactly who he is.

1039 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:11:25pm

re: #1000 iceweasel

. . .
Also, i really didnt expect the GOP to collapse as completely as it has. I thought they'd be much faster to get a grip and regroup than the left under Bush -- because they've always been so much better at messaging until recently, and they had the example of the excesses of the left to learn from there.
They learned the wrong message so far, apparently.

I've been surprised as well, not just by how quickly, but how completely, the GOP has collapsed. It has caused me much pain, and a lot of hard reflection.

Anyhoo -
Good evening everyone, been trying to get in, but have had log-in problems Well, I can log in, but then I get logged out again, and then it seems everything spins forever before I can log back in again.

Anyone else having that problem lately, or should I allow my paranoia to come into play and assume it's a conspiracy against me?

1040 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:11:34pm

re: #1011 Dark_Falcon

That's assault. I hope she gets few months in jail to remind her that she was wrong to do that.

Attempted Murder she was charged with. She's toast probably

I think its BULLSHIT.

1041 Obdicut  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:11:56pm

re: #1039 reine.de.tout

I had the spinning forever today, as well.

1042 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:12:28pm

re: #1041 Obdicut

I had the spinning forever today, as well.

whew.
Good then, it's not just me.
It's YOU too!
LOL.

1043 researchok  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:12:53pm

re: #1039 reine.de.tout

I've been surprised as well, not just by how quickly, but how completely, the GOP has collapsed. It has caused me much pain, and a lot of hard reflection.

Anyhoo -
Good evening everyone, been trying to get in, but have had log-in problems Well, I can log in, but then I get logged out again, and then it seems everything spins forever before I can log back in again.

Anyone else having that problem lately, or should I allow my paranoia to come into play and assume it's a conspiracy against me?

I'd go with the paranoia thing.

Bummer about the log in crap.

1044 Mocking Jay  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:14:00pm

re: #1040 Stanley Sea

Attempted Murder she was charged with. She's toast probably

I think its BULLSHIT.

You should have mentioned that she first tried to run someone over with her car. :) She's not being charged with attempted murder for throwing pee.

1045 Amory Blaine  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:14:11pm

re: #1035 Irenicum

Ice brings up an important issue. I started out as a strong Bush supporter. I turned against him after the Iraq War turned out to be built on false pretenses. I've been strongly against Bush ever since. My politics is not typically built on the left/right divide. My Christian convictions are deeply orthodox and yet also deeply Anabaptist in its orientation. That's why I defy any political understanding. Or at least I hope to.

I did not support Bush, and I was skeptical with what might have went on in Florida. When 9/11 went down though, I put all that shit in the trash and stood behind him 110%. Then Iraq happened and I dropped all support of him.

1046 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:14:38pm

re: #1029 Obdicut

oh yeah, almost forgot

Slow and heavy, like pouring concrete

1047 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:15:13pm

re: #1035 Irenicum

Blatantly lying to get us into an unnecessary war pissed me off more than the rest of Bush's actions combined. I am not just referring to the garbage WMD evidence, but also the braying that we would be in and out within months and greeted with flowers in the streets. That wasn't optimism. That was straight-up bullshitting the American people. That is so far beyond the pale to me that I often find myself angry with people who aren't at least a little ticked off by it.

In my personal moral framework, that's right up there with treason.

1048 Racer X  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:15:16pm
1049 Amory Blaine  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:16:04pm

re: #1038 researchok

You're missing the point. I want him to speak, I want people to know exactly who he is.

1050 Mocking Jay  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:16:07pm

re: #1048 Racer X

STANDUP COMEDIAN | FIRST TIME OF SEX [EPIC]


[Video]

Saw this a few days ago. It would've been better had he not paused for so long.

1051 Racer X  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:16:32pm

re: #1047 Fozzie Bear

but also the braying that we would be in and out within months and greeted with flowers in the streets

Bush said these things?

1052 Silvergirl  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:16:39pm

re: #1002 WindUpBird

Songs about witches GO!


[Video]

1053 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:16:42pm

re: #1026 researchok

The Rather reference is a good one.

That said, what CNN/Eason Jordan did in Iraq during Saddam's reign elicited no more than a self righteous 'mea culpa'.

Eason Jordan was a much bigger disgrace than Rather, morally at least. His claim at Davos that American troops in Iraq were targeting journalists was smear of Breitbart proportions. Thankfully, Barney Frank called Jordan out during Jordan's speech. One of the few cases where the truth was utter fast enough to kill the rumor before it got going.

1054 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:17:25pm

re: #1051 Racer X

Bush said these things?

his administration shit sure did!

1055 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:17:45pm

re: #1047 Fozzie Bear

Blatantly lying to get us into an unnecessary war pissed me off more than the rest of Bush's actions combined. I am not just referring to the garbage WMD evidence, but also the braying that we would be in and out within months and greeted with flowers in the streets. That wasn't optimism. That was straight-up bullshitting the American people. That is so far beyond the pale to me that I often find myself angry with people who aren't at least a little ticked off by it.

In my personal moral framework, that's right up there with treason.

And that it would be PAID FOR with the Iraqi Oil. (the Iraqi's still don't have 24 hour electricity)

Oh, we were taken.

1056 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:17:58pm

re: #1051 Racer X

Bush said these things?

Those things were said, repeatedly, by various administration officials.

1057 Daniel Ballard  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:18:02pm

re: #1039 reine.de.tout


Anyone else having that problem lately, or should I allow my paranoia to come into play and assume it's a conspiracy against me?

I can personally assure you there is no Rightwingconspiracy, nor Leftwingconspiracy against you my friend. Windows however, may be the force against you.

1058 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:18:42pm

re: #1055 Stanley Sea

And that it would be PAID FOR with the Iraqi Oil. (the Iraqi's still don't have 24 hour electricity)

Oh, we were taken.

Yet another layer of the big lie.

1059 researchok  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:18:45pm

re: #1053 Dark_Falcon

Eason Jordan was a much bigger disgrace than Rather, morally at least. His claim at Davos that American troops in Iraq were targeting journalists was smear of Breitbart proportions. Thankfully, Barney Frank called Jordan out during Jordan's speech. One of the few cases where the truth was utter fast enough to kill the rumor before it got going.

Not just that!

He admitted that he cut a deal with Saddam not to report the really bad shit so CNN could be the only American presence in Iraq.

Saddam got away with hundreds if not thousands of murders that went unreported.

1060 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:18:50pm

re: #1054 WindUpBird

his administration shit sure did!

Good ole Wolfowitz

1061 Racer X  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:19:19pm

Nice lid.

Image: Jqa50.jpg

1062 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:19:54pm

re: #1057 Rightwingconspirator

I can personally assure you there is no Rightwingconspiracy, nor Leftwingconspiracy against you my friend. Windows however, may be the force against you.

I'm on a mac.

1063 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:20:05pm

re: #1060 Stanley Sea

Good ole Wolfowitz

and Rumsfeld, and Cheney

1064 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:20:23pm

re: #1051 Racer X

Bush said these things?

No, and at the time everyone from MI6, to the CIA thought Saddam still had WMD's. Bush didn't lie, though he was wrong.

1065 The Left  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:21:12pm

re: #1035 Irenicum

Ice brings up an important issue. I started out as a strong Bush supporter. I turned against him after the Iraq War turned out to be built on false pretenses. I've been strongly against Bush ever since. My politics is not typically built on the left/right divide. My Christian convictions are deeply orthodox and yet also deeply Anabaptist in its orientation. That's why I defy any political understanding. Or at least I hope to.

I actually think the thing about this place is that most of us aren't typical left or right. We might often individually play that role or get pegged that way in a thread or on a topic*, but when you get down to it very few of us are hardcore ideologues. We have conservative atheists, liberal evangelicals, etc.

* by 'play that role' I don't mean anyone is faking, but that the nuances of an individual's positions get lost sometimes in the discussion, because we're diverse enough that we're fighting the more central battles or questions. E.g., in a thread about HCR we'll be arguing over whether we need reform, as opposed to what someone means by reform. This isn't a complaint, just an observation about what is going to happen on a site like this especially with this many commenters and threads rolling so quickly.
yargh, ok, i should be out now for real, hope that made sense. bye!

1066 Racer X  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:21:17pm

re: #1056 Fozzie Bear

Those things were said, repeatedly, by various administration officials.

Interesting.

Because that is counter to what Bush himself said. I distinctly remember him saying this would not be a quick war, that it would take at least 5-10 years, and to NOT expect a quick resolution.

1067 Amory Blaine  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:21:20pm

Rumsfeld

1068 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:21:22pm

re: #1059 researchok

Not just that!

He admitted that he cut a deal with Saddam not to report the really bad shit so CNN could be the only American presence in Iraq.

Saddam got away with hundreds if not thousands of murders that went unreported.

I don't know who this Eason Jordan dude is.

1069 Daniel Ballard  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:21:38pm

re: #1042 reine.de.tout


1000+ does strain my system a bit... Getting little issues.re: #1062 reine.de.tout

I'm on a mac.

whoops.

1070 Irenicum  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:21:48pm

re: #1045 Amory Blaine

I was tired of the Clinton/Gore years. I also believed the "compassionate conservatism" meme he was selling. As a Christian, I bought that he was going to unite us in a non-partisan way. Needless to say, I've been disappointed. The straight out idolatry has been shocking to say the least.

1071 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:22:02pm

re: #1061 Racer X

Nice lid.

Image: Jqa50.jpg

Excellent!

1072 researchok  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:22:11pm

re: #1068 Stanley Sea

I don't know who this Eason Jordan dude is.

He ran CNN for a while. A real douche.

Seriously

1073 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:22:40pm

re: #1069 Rightwingconspirator

1000+ does strain my system a bit... Getting little issues.re: #1062 reine.de.tout

whoops.

hehehe.
I think my cable company, from whom I get my internet service, is having problems. That, or my router needs to be replaced.

1074 Racer X  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:22:46pm

re: #1064 Dark_Falcon

No, and at the time everyone from MI6, to the CIA thought Saddam still had WMD's. Bush didn't lie, though he was wrong.

I know who lied. And he lied like a mutherfucker to everyone. And he convinced many, many people he was telling the truth.

Saddam Hussein.

1075 Nimed  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:22:51pm

re: #1060 Stanley Sea

Good ole Wolfowitz

And Rumsfeld. And the "liberal media".

40 second refresher

1076 Mocking Jay  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:23:41pm

re: #1075 Nimed

I miss Tim. :(

1077 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:24:25pm

re: #1068 Stanley Sea

I don't know who this Eason Jordan dude is.

Wiki will give you a general idea. of who he is and what the controversy was.

1078 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:24:28pm

re: #973 Irenicum

Wow. I have no words.

Now you'll have no words--the creator of those things briefly got a gig to use them in Quizno's ads.

Something that was much enjoyed by those of us who like "We Like The Moon", and by no one else. The ads lasted, like, a week.

1079 Nimed  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:24:47pm

re: #1067 Amory Blaine

Rumsfeld


[Video]

Damn you. It isn't just Jason anymore!

1080 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:24:49pm

re: #1064 Dark_Falcon

No, and at the time everyone from MI6, to the CIA thought Saddam still had WMD's. Bush didn't lie, though he was wrong.

"I think that the people of Iraq would welcome the U.S. force as liberators; they would not see us as oppressors, by any means." (Dick Cheney, CNN American Morning, 9/9/02)

"Think of the faces in Afghanistan when the people were liberated, when they moved out in the streets and they started singing and flying kites and women went to school and people were able to function and other countries were able to start interacting with them. That's what would happen in Iraq." (Donald Rumsfeld, Media Roundtable, 9/13/02)

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

There's plenty more where that came from. That's just a 2 minute google search.

1081 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:24:54pm

re: #1066 Racer X

Interesting.

Because that is counter to what Bush himself said. I distinctly remember him saying this would not be a quick war, that it would take at least 5-10 years, and to NOT expect a quick resolution.

Not to belabor the point, but remember how it was presented as a "paid for war" ?? This blows me away. We who have memories and hear the whining about the deficit.

1082 Irenicum  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:25:32pm

re: #1065 iceweasel

Well put Ice. As always.

1083 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:25:45pm

re: #1072 researchok

He ran CNN for a while. A real douche.

Seriously

True. He only fell when he threw out a smear so over the top it forced immediate action. Of course, part of the reason Jordan's fall was so complete was that it was Barney Frank (no friend of the Iraq war or the Bush administration) who called Bullshit on Jordan and strangled his lie in its crib.

1084 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:25:53pm

re: #1072 researchok

He ran CNN for a while. A real douche.

Seriously

glad I missed it. One less outrage I guess.

1085 Gus  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:25:53pm

re: #1067 Amory Blaine

Rumsfeld

[Video]

They never did find anything like that either as far as I know. I like the part where he claims there are not "one" but "many." This was back when the MSM was really backing the Iraq war including Chris Matthews. That of course is Tim Russert in that video.

1086 researchok  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:26:39pm

re: #1064 Dark_Falcon

No, and at the time everyone from MI6, to the CIA thought Saddam still had WMD's. Bush didn't lie, though he was wrong.

It wasn't just Bush.

From a Clinton CNN transcript:

1087 Nimed  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:26:56pm

re: #1076 JasonA

I miss Tim. :(

Me too. I miss him even more every time I see David Gregory. :)

1088 mikhailtheplumber  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:27:39pm

Totally OT, but I just read this at TPM: GOP TN Governor candidate threatening secession, praising Rick Perry as "patriotic".

What is wrong with these people's brains that they can consider secession patriotic? Secession is by definition unpatriotic, if not outright treasonous!

It's kind of like saying: he eats his steaks rare and bloody, and is an exemplar vegetarian.

1089 researchok  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:27:47pm

re: #1084 Stanley Sea

glad I missed it. One less outrage I guess.

Jordan was a real outrage, rivaled only by Peter Arnett, his man in Baghdad.

1090 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:27:48pm

Gahh, I hate my "so called" life!

I've decided to take up writing again as an outlet, so if your a fan of certain unnamed stories over at a the emcsa site cheer up because more chapters will be forthcoming (I've written stories there under four different names.) If I'm diligent I can still crank out a couple of thousand words a day between cleaning up pee, doing 16-18 loads of laundry a week, shampooing carpets to get out pee/poo, making meals six times a day, and the regular general housekeeping chores.

I'm also writing a book, that's right, a real hardcover (I hope) novel (with all of two chapters finished, 87 pages) but I won't spoil it for you, you'll either have to buy it or read wikipedia after it is published to find out what it is about. :p

/"but the only trouble is, gee whiz, I'm dreaming my life away..."

1091 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:28:37pm

re: #1074 Racer X

I know who lied. And he lied like a mutherfucker to everyone. And he convinced many, many people he was telling the truth.

Saddam Hussein.

I thought you were going to say Ahmed Chalabi

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

He had more effect in Washington & with the Bush Admin.

1092 Racer X  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:29:39pm

re: #1081 Stanley Sea

Not to belabor the point, but remember how it was presented as a "paid for war" ?? This blows me away. We who have memories and hear the whining about the deficit.

I don't recall that ever being a selling point. I do recall the Bush administration telling us how bad it was going to be.

I remember something like 40,000 body bags were ordered for American troops, and I thought 'holy crap this is going to be bad. This is not worth the price.' And I wrote Bush a letter asking him to NOT go into this war with Iraq.

He did not listen to me.

1093 The Left  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:29:54pm

re: #1060 Stanley Sea

Good ole Wolfowitz

That clip of him licking his comb just for you:

Ok, juvenile, it's late.

1094 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:30:26pm

re: #1066 Racer X

Interesting.

Because that is counter to what Bush himself said. I distinctly remember him saying this would not be a quick war, that it would take at least 5-10 years, and to NOT expect a quick resolution.

Cheney in '94

Cheney 3/16/03 on Face the Nation.

SCHIEFFER: If we do have to take action, do you think it will be a long war or a short war?

CHENEY: My own judgment based on my time as secretary of Defense, and having operated in this area in the past, I'm confident that our troops will be successful, and I think it'll go relatively quickly, but we can't...

SCHIEFFER: Weeks?

CHENEY: ...we can't count on that.

SCHIEFFER: Months?

CHENEY: Weeks rather than months. There's always the possibility of complications that you can't anticipate, but I have great confidence in our troops. The men and women who serve in our military today are superb. Our capabilities as a force are the finest the world has ever known.
They're very ably led by General Tommy Franks and Secretary Rumsfeld. And so I have great confidence in the conduct of the military campaign. The really...

I don't understand why people don't remember this. It's like the memory hole opened up wide and swallowed everybody's memory of events at the time.

1095 Daniel Ballard  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:30:34pm

Well this computer goes in for a workover Monday. Complete disc wipe, likely new soundcard. Maybe Windows 7, as it is a fast dual core system for its day. Edited a lot of sd video and thousands of images in the last 3 years.

1096 Obdicut  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:30:51pm

re: #1092 Racer X

I remember them saying it would pay for itself.

They played a lot off of the success of Iraq War I in portraying how easy it would be, and off of the (apparent) success in Afghanistan.

But that's the past.

1097 Obdicut  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:31:48pm

re: #1095 Rightwingconspirator

I like 7 pro just fine. Best windows ever-- damn faint praise, but seriously, it's quite good. Boots up and shuts down in a flash.

1098 Mocking Jay  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:32:20pm

re: #1090 ausador

Good for you! I've written started more than a few novels in my day...

1099 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:33:09pm

re: #1089 researchok

Jordan was a real outrage, rivaled only by Peter Arnett, his man in Baghdad.

God I got tired of that guy getting license to travel in the key

1100 The Left  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:33:10pm

re: #1096 Obdicut

I remember them saying it would pay for itself.

They played a lot off of the success of Iraq War I in portraying how easy it would be, and off of the (apparent) success in Afghanistan.

But that's the past.

The past isn't dead. It isn't even past.

So we beat on, dolts against the current, borne back ceaselessly into the past. /

Faulkner/Fitzgerald snark. Kinda true though.
out!

1101 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:33:24pm

re: #1089 researchok

Jordan was a real outrage, rivaled only by Peter Arnett, his man in Baghdad.

True. It was poetic justice that both of them finally fell for good behind the anti-American lies they both told about the Iraq war.

1102 Racer X  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:33:45pm

re: #1094 Fozzie Bear

Thanks for the refresher.

1103 Irenicum  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:33:59pm

I do find the idolatry concerning Cheney to be very strange here. His duplicity is beyond obvious. Why is he still defended?

1104 Nimed  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:34:00pm

re: #1088 mikhailtheplumber

Totally OT, but I just read this at TPM: GOP TN Governor candidate threatening secession, praising Rick Perry as "patriotic".

What is wrong with these people's brains that they can consider secession patriotic? Secession is by definition unpatriotic, if not outright treasonous!

It's kind of like saying: he eats his steaks rare and bloody, and is an exemplar vegetarian.

Well, at least, and unlike Perry, he is still just a candidate.

1105 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:34:06pm

re: #1097 Obdicut

I like 7 pro just fine. Best windows ever-- damn faint praise, but seriously, it's quite good. Boots up and shuts down in a flash.

Do you have any experience with the virtual XP emulation? I want to get W7 for my next machine, but I have some older legacy stuff that behaves best under XP.

1106 researchok  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:34:10pm

From transcript:

Bill Clinton:

The international community had good reason to set this requirement. Other countries possess weapons of mass destruction and ballistic missiles. With Saddam, there is one big difference: He has used them. Not once, but repeatedly. Unleashing chemical weapons against Iranian troops during a decade-long war. Not only against soldiers, but against civilians, firing Scud missiles at the citizens of Israel, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain and Iran. And not only against a foreign enemy, but even against his own people, gassing Kurdish civilians in Northern Iraq.

The international community had little doubt then, and I have no doubt today, that left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will use these terrible weapons again.

... In short, the inspectors are saying that even if they could stay in Iraq, their work would be a sham.

Saddam's deception has defeated their effectiveness. Instead of the inspectors disarming Saddam, Saddam has disarmed the inspectors.

... First, without a strong inspection system, Iraq would be free to retain and begin to rebuild its chemical, biological and nuclear weapons programs in months, not years.

Second, if Saddam can crippled the weapons inspection system and get away with it, he would conclude that the international community -- led by the United States -- has simply lost its will. He will surmise that he has free rein to rebuild his arsenal of destruction, and someday -- make no mistake -- he will use it again as he has in the past.

...If we had delayed for even a matter of days from Chairman Butler's report, we would have given Saddam more time to disperse his forces and protect his weapons.

... Indeed, in the past, Saddam has intentionally placed Iraqi civilians in harm's way in a cynical bid to sway international opinion.

We must be prepared for these realities. At the same time, Saddam should have absolutely no doubt if he lashes out at his neighbors, we will respond forcefully

...And mark my words, he will develop weapons of mass destruction. He will deploy them, and he will use them.

1107 Mocking Jay  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:34:15pm

re: #1100 iceweasel


out!

I don't believe you!!!

1108 Amory Blaine  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:34:43pm

re: #1075 Nimed

And Rumsfeld. And the "liberal media".

40 second refresher

[Video]

He He Nimed. Beat ya to it. :P

1109 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:35:26pm

re: #1094 Fozzie Bear

I don't understand why people don't remember this. It's like the memory hole opened up wide and swallowed everybody's memory of events at the time.

I remember. I was against it to the final March 2003 bullshitalapalooza.

Here's what I googled so far about paying for the war. Give me a break, I heard it over and over again.

The clip showed Wolfowitz telling a congressional panel, "It's hard to conceive that it would take more forces to provide stability in post-Saddam Iraq than it would take to conduct the war itself," and "The oil revenue of that country could bring between 50 and 100 billion dollars over the course of the next two or three years. We're dealing with a country that could really finance its own reconstruction, and relatively soon."

1110 The Left  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:35:40pm

re: #1107 JasonA

I don't believe you!!!

LGF, I just can't quit you. :(

1111 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:36:17pm

re: #1103 Irenicum

I do find the idolatry concerning Cheney to be very strange here. His duplicity is beyond obvious. Why is he still defended?

Because he's been involved with Republican administrations since Nixon? Dunno

1112 Mocking Jay  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:36:30pm

re: #1110 iceweasel

LGF, I just can't quit you. :(

You know it'll still be here in the morning...

1113 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:36:52pm

re: #1096 Obdicut

I remember them saying it would pay for itself.

They played a lot off of the success of Iraq War I in portraying how easy it would be, and off of the (apparent) success in Afghanistan.

But that's the past.

Unfortunately the war in Iraq is still in our present.

1114 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:36:57pm

re: #1092 Racer X

I don't recall that ever being a selling point. I do recall the Bush administration telling us how bad it was going to be.

I remember something like 40,000 body bags were ordered for American troops, and I thought 'holy crap this is going to be bad. This is not worth the price.' And I wrote Bush a letter asking him to NOT go into this war with Iraq.

He did not listen to me.

Well, at least thanks to Gen. Petraeus we won the war and are leaving a government in place that is not an utter failure. Not worth the cost, but its better than nothing.

1115 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:37:16pm

re: #1109 Stanley Sea

yeah, that Wolfowitz line might as well have been in 50 ft. high neon letters on the Vegas strip, it was EVERYWHERE, especially when things started going south.

1116 Kronocide  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:37:51pm

re: #1094 Fozzie Bear

I don't understand why people don't remember this. It's like the memory hole opened up wide and swallowed everybody's memory of events at the time.

I do remember that, and this seems to keep coming up. The context of the 'war' in their discussion was an invasion and establishment of control of the country, not a long term nation building occupation with a long standing terrorist insurgency.

1117 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:38:03pm

re: #1040 Stanley Sea

Attempted Murder she was charged with. She's toast probably

I think its BULLSHIT.

I think a good lawyer is going to get the charges considerably reduced.

1118 Racer X  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:38:22pm

re: #1106 researchok

Saddam Hussein was personally responsible for the deaths of at least 2 million humans. He needed his ass kicked.

1119 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:38:30pm

re: #1044 JasonA

You should have mentioned that she first tried to run someone over with her car. :) She's not being charged with attempted murder for throwing pee.

That makes more sense.

1120 Gus  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:39:34pm
1121 Irenicum  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:39:48pm

re: #1106 researchok

Ah, yes. Bill Clinton believed it. Therefore it must be true. Riiight.

Again, what we're seeing here is a confirmation of what was already assumed to be true. If Bill Clinton contradicted this, would it be repeated? If Bush confirmed a leftist idea, would the left repeat it?

1122 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:40:12pm

re: #1118 Racer X

Saddam Hussein was personally responsible for the deaths of at least 2 million humans. He needed his ass kicked.

In "weeks, not months". We were sold a bill of good by compulsive liars. People who knew better.

1123 Racer X  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:41:30pm

re: #1114 Dark_Falcon

Well, at least thanks to Gen. Petraeus we won the war and are leaving a government in place that is not an utter failure. Not worth the cost, but its better than nothing.

Think about the alternative.

Think about where we would be with Al Gore as president during 9/11.

Where would we be with Saddam right now?

No, really.

1124 researchok  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:41:39pm

re: #1121 Irenicum

Ah, yes. Bill Clinton believed it. Therefore it must be true. Riiight.

Again, what we're seeing here is a confirmation of what was already assumed to be true. If Bill Clinton contradicted this, would it be repeated? If Bush confirmed a leftist idea, would the left repeat it?

Not a fair assumption.

Each President comes into office assuming his predecessor made decisions predicated on good information.

1125 Gus  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:41:44pm

re: #1120 Gus 802

Image: Cardoen_Saddam.jpg

Forgot the caption:

Saddam Hussein donated large sums to various institutions in his campaign to curry favour with the United States. He was made an honorary citizen of Detroit in 1980.

1126 Amory Blaine  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:41:54pm

re: #1118 Racer X

Saddam Hussein was personally responsible for the deaths of at least 2 million humans. He needed his ass kicked.

Possibly, but it is a decision that has been costly.

1127 Daniel Ballard  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:42:07pm

re: #1097 Obdicut

I just started messing with it. A few hours editing on a killer 64 bit setup at LWC's place and I had to set up a new laptop for the boss. Removed OEM antivirus and replaced with the corporate "Viruscan enterprise". Not bad at all. Put in firefox and add ons. Easy. Great first impression. Why is it so hard to put your own images in themes? Weird.

1128 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:42:54pm

re: #1116 BigPapa

I do remember that, and this seems to keep coming up. The context of the 'war' in their discussion was an invasion and establishment of control of the country, not a long term nation building occupation with a long standing terrorist insurgency.

What's the status of that mega embassy we built? Anyone seen any recent photos?

1129 Racer X  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:43:31pm

re: #1122 Fozzie Bear

In "weeks, not months". We were sold a bill of good by compulsive liars. People who knew better.

I don't mean to nitpick, but Saddam was overthrown and ousted into hiding within weeks. The mopping up is what continues to this day.

The Hussein regime was done in weeks.

1130 Racer X  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:44:31pm

re: #1126 Amory Blaine

Possibly, but it is a decision that has been costly.

Absolutely true.

And why I wrote the president prior to the war and asked him NOT to go.

1131 researchok  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:44:58pm

re: #1129 Racer X

I don't mean to nitpick, but Saddam was overthrown and ousted into hiding within weeks. The mopping up is what continues to this day.

The Hussein regime was done in weeks.

You mean the nation building.

Also, there are/were lot of baathists and shia that are still jockeying for power.

1132 Irenicum  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:45:12pm

G'nite kids. It's late and tomorrow beckons. Great thread btw.

1133 Gus  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:45:25pm

Lots of fun stuff here:

United States support for Iraq during the Iran–Iraq war

Sample:

Diplomatic support

See also: Prevention of Genocide Act of 1988

In 1984, Iran introduced a draft resolution to the United Nations Security Council, citing the Geneva Protocol of 1925, condemning Saddam Hussein's use of chemical weapons on the battlefield. In response, the United States instructed its delegate at the UN to lobby friendly representatives in support of a motion to take "no decision" on the use of chemical munitions by Iraq. If backing to obstruct the resolution could be won, then the U.S. delegation were to proceed and vote in favour of taking zero action; if support were not forthcoming, the U.S. delegate were to refrain from voting altogether.

USDEL should work to develop general Western position in support of a motion to take "no decision" on Iranian draft resolution on use of chemical weapons by Iraq. If such a motion gets reasonable and broad support and sponsorship, USDEL should vote in favor. Failing Western support for "no decision," USDEL should abstain.

Representatives of the United States argued that the UN Human Rights Commission was an "inappropriate forum" for consideration of such abuses. According to Joyce Battle, the Security Council eventually issued a "presidential statement" condemning the use of unconventional weapons "without naming Iraq as the offending party."

1134 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:45:48pm

re: #1092 Racer X

I don't recall that ever being a selling point. I do recall the Bush administration telling us how bad it was going to be.

I remember something like 40,000 body bags were ordered for American troops, and I thought 'holy crap this is going to be bad. This is not worth the price.' And I wrote Bush a letter asking him to NOT go into this war with Iraq.

He did not listen to me.

I recall it being a selling point. It was going to be fabulous, and easy, and it wouldn't cost a thing, and Saddam was gonna kill us all if we didn't. That's what we got from the administration.

I do recall a lot of dark doom and gloom about the Republican Guard before the FIRST Gulf War, but they turned out to be, well, less than amazing.

1135 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:46:23pm

re: #1098 JasonA

Good for you! I've written started more than a few novels in my day...

Yes, but do you still get dozens of emails every month begging you to write more chapters to your online porn stories? :p

I kinda thought I was past all that and quit for quite a while, but its time to start again now, before I go absolutely nuts. At least I'll get a lot more fan mail again, besides, the "groupies" for the kind of stories I write send very entertaining email, (and pics sometimes.)

1136 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:46:31pm

re: #1129 Racer X

I don't mean to nitpick, but Saddam was overthrown and ousted into hiding within weeks. The mopping up is what continues to this day.

The Hussein regime was done in weeks.

Of course it was. The occupation was the part that was more than just glossed over: it was straight-up lied about.

"weeks, not months"

That's not just optimism or wishful thinking. Look at Cheney's statements about the SAME scenario back in '94:

They lied their asses off to get us into that war.

1137 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:47:03pm

re: #1125 Gus 802

Yep.

blahblah blah Saddam was a bad man, after we supported him and took his $$.

I hate the hypocrisy.

1138 Racer X  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:49:10pm

re: #1131 researchok

You mean the nation building.

Also, there are/were lot of baathists and shia that are still jockeying for power.

I think where Bush totally screwed the pooch was about 6 months in. He could have handled things much differently and kept things under control, but they didn't. It got really bad, really quick, and the Bush team had no clue how to deal with it. No one did. It was a total clusterfuck that went from bad to worse in months 6 thru 48.

1139 Daniel Ballard  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:49:41pm

re: #1134 SanFranciscoZionist

I do recall a lot of dark doom and gloom about the Republican Guard before the FIRST Gulf War, but they turned out to be, well, less than amazing.

Seriously the reason the guard was not a big issue was they were carefully thoroughly wrecked before anything on the ground advanced. And everyone was struck by how many scuds were not found until after, and the WMD's were beyond extensive. All blown up after the war of course.

1140 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:49:54pm

re: #1134 SanFranciscoZionist

I recall it being a selling point. It was going to be fabulous, and easy, and it wouldn't cost a thing, and Saddam was gonna kill us all if we didn't. That's what we got from the administration.

I do recall a lot of dark doom and gloom about the Republican Guard before the FIRST Gulf War, but they turned out to be, well, less than amazing.

I recall exactly the same selling points.

Hmmm are our ears really dem / repub??

1141 researchok  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:50:03pm

re: #1134 SanFranciscoZionist

I recall it being a selling point. It was going to be fabulous, and easy, and it wouldn't cost a thing, and Saddam was gonna kill us all if we didn't. That's what we got from the administration.

I do recall a lot of dark doom and gloom about the Republican Guard before the FIRST Gulf War, but they turned out to be, well, less than amazing.

The US support for Iraq at the time is irrelevant.

We gave Saddam the precursors to WMD's as we did to many nation- all of whom promised- in writing- to use the precursors for pesticide research.

That Saddam later chose to use the precursors to develop WMD's was a choice he made. The same can be said for OBL and our support we gave him to fight the Soviets. He later chose to turn those weapons on the people of Afghanistan and us.

If I give you a car to go to work and you get drunk and then drive and kill someone, don't blame me for giving you the car.

1142 Gus  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:50:04pm

re: #1137 Stanley Sea

Yep.

blahblah blah Saddam was a bad man, after we supported him and took his $$.

I hate the hypocrisy.

Yep. We were just using him to fight the USSR. It was part of the Cold War strategy. It wasn't done with regard to principle. At the time we knew very well that he was a cold hearted ruthless dictator. US interests were far more important. It was also a way of getting revenge against Iran for the hostage incident.

1143 Amory Blaine  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:50:33pm

Afghanistan is complicated enough but to throw our asses in the fire like that was irresponsible. Saddam was completely contained. There were foreign inspectors in the country and who knows what else (spies,cia etc.). Invading Iraq has weakened our ability to respond to other possible crisis and opened the door to unforseen consequences. Sorry to be so vague.

1144 mikhailtheplumber  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:50:43pm

re: #1118 Racer X

Saddam Hussein was personally responsible for the deaths of at least 2 million humans. He needed his ass kicked.

I can think of several other murdering regimes around the globe, and yet the US doesn't have troops in those countries. Sudan comes to mind, for example. So, while we can agree that Saddam Hussein was a catastrophe to Iraq and its population, and that he deserved to be kicked out, that can't be the only reason why Bush threw American troops and resources there.

Also, I'm not entirely convinced that the poor Iraqis are better living in a country torn by civil war, surrounded by death squads, daily explosions and suicide bombers than under the iron heel of a tyrant like Hussein.

1145 Racer X  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:51:33pm

re: #1137 Stanley Sea

Yep.

blahblah blah Saddam was a bad man, after we supported him and took his $$.

I hate the hypocrisy.

Heh, true.

We paid for a dictator to be on our side. He would be alive today if he had not screwed with us.

1146 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:51:43pm

re: #1138 Racer X

I think where Bush totally screwed the pooch was about 6 months in. He could have handled things much differently and kept things under control, but they didn't. It got really bad, really quick, and the Bush team had no clue how to deal with it. No one did. It was a total clusterfuck that went from bad to worse in months 6 thru 48.

How about the museum getting looted? Under our occupying noses? It is the fricking cradle of civilization. Treasures lost.

I am still pissed as hell about that.

1147 Gus  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:51:54pm

re: #1141 researchok

The US support for Iraq at the time is irrelevant.

It is? Why is history irrelevant? If US support for Iraq is irrelevant than the Carter presidency is irrelevant.

1148 Obdicut  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:52:50pm

re: #1105 WindUpBird

Do you have any experience with the virtual XP emulation? I want to get W7 for my next machine, but I have some older legacy stuff that behaves best under XP.

I'm about to have that experience, but not yet.

1149 Daniel Ballard  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:53:37pm

re: #1143 Amory Blaine

The containment was going to end. As WMD's were not being found, he was complying. The voices to drop the sanctions were gathering momentum. The costs of the no fly zones was decried. Oil for foodpalaces was going to end.

1150 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:53:53pm

re: #1147 Gus 802

It is? Why is history irrelevant? If US support for Iraq is irrelevant than the Carter presidency is irrelevant.

holy ding

1151 Racer X  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:53:54pm

re: #1142 Gus 802

Yep. We were just using him to fight the USSR. It was part of the Cold War strategy. It wasn't done with regard to principle. At the time we knew very well that he was a cold hearted ruthless dictator. US interests were far more important. It was also a way of getting revenge against Iran for the hostage incident.

Bingo.

No one cared about the million dead in the Iran / Iraq war. Especially all the children Iran used as fodder to use up Saddam's ammo.

1152 Obdicut  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:54:11pm

re: #1142 Gus 802

And back under Reagan, the people who complained about Muslim treatment of women were liberals.

1153 Amory Blaine  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:55:00pm

re: #1151 Racer X

Bingo.

No one cared about the million dead in the Iran / Iraq war. Especially all the children Iran used as fodder to use up Saddam's ammo.

Keeping Saddam in place would have been an agitation to Iran.

1154 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:55:19pm

re: #1149 Rightwingconspirator

The containment was going to end. As WMD's were not being found, he was complying. The voices to drop the sanctions were gathering momentum. The costs of the no fly zones was decried. Oil for foodpalaces was going to end.

That's not a valid argument for war. That's a valid argument for pushing, at the time, to maintain a strong stance regarding Iraq.

It would have been a fuckload cheaper to keep the pressure on for the past 10 years without invading.

1155 Nimed  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:55:29pm

re: #1106 researchok

As long as we're re-litigating this:

Bush knew Saddam had no weapons of mass destruction

On Sept. 18, 2002, CIA director George Tenet briefed President Bush in the Oval Office on top-secret intelligence that Saddam Hussein did not have weapons of mass destruction, according to two former senior CIA officers. Bush dismissed as worthless this information from the Iraqi foreign minister, a member of Saddam's inner circle, although it turned out to be accurate in every detail. Tenet never brought it up again.

Is "Bush lied" too strong an expression? You can call it a distortion if you wish. The Bush Administration sistematically disregarded the intelligence reports they didn't like and made the case for WMDs appear stronger than it really was for both Congress and the American public. An innocent mistake this was not.

1156 Racer X  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:55:51pm

re: #1144 mikhailtheplumber

I can think of several other murdering regimes around the globe, and yet the US doesn't have troops in those countries. Sudan comes to mind, for example. So, while we can agree that Saddam Hussein was a catastrophe to Iraq and its population, and that he deserved to be kicked out, that can't be the only reason why Bush threw American troops and resources there.

Oil. Saudi Arabia probably called in a favor.

Also, I'm not entirely convinced that the poor Iraqis are better living in a country torn by civil war, surrounded by death squads, daily explosions and suicide bombers than under the iron heel of a tyrant like Hussein.

I would defer that question to the Iraqi people to answer.

1157 Gus  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:56:05pm

re: #1151 Racer X

Bingo.

No one cared about the million dead in the Iran / Iraq war. Especially all the children Iran used as fodder to use up Saddam's ammo.

Yep. And alliances made in haste have consequences. We created Saddam Hussein. Now we have created an alliance with Pakistan. What will the future consequences of that be? Especially for the region and India are alleged best ally in South Asia.

1158 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:56:24pm

All I know is that I lived through the build up to the war in Iraq that has been proven to be based on lies.

It's pretty unsettling.

And sometimes (only sometimes) the defense of it is more unsettling.

1159 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:56:39pm

re: #1118 Racer X

Saddam Hussein was personally responsible for the deaths of at least 2 million humans. He needed his ass kicked.

The United States has been, and continues to be, selective about who's evil enough to need their asses kicked.

Saddam was a monster. But that's not why we did it.

1160 Racer X  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:57:04pm

re: #1146 Stanley Sea

How about the museum getting looted? Under our occupying noses? It is the fricking cradle of civilization. Treasures lost.

I am still pissed as hell about that.

Oh I agree. Everything went to hell very quickly.

1161 Mocking Jay  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:57:24pm

re: #1159 SanFranciscoZionist

The United States has been, and continues to be, selective about who's evil enough to need their asses kicked.

Saddam was a monster. But that's not why we did it.

Idi Amin was cool, though.

///

1162 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:57:31pm

re: #1157 Gus 802

Yep. And alliances made in haste have consequences. We created Saddam Hussein. Now we have created an alliance with Pakistan. What will the future consequences of that be? Especially for the region and India are alleged best ally in South Asia.

These are what they call the externalities to the cost of oil.

If you factored all this insanity in, gas would be closer to 10 dollars a gallon.

1163 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:57:52pm

re: #1124 researchok

Not a fair assumption.

Each President comes into office assuming his predecessor made decisions predicated on good information.

Except that the Bush administration actually thought Clinton's people had a bee in their bonnet about Bin Laden, if some sources are to be believed.

1164 Mocking Jay  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:58:14pm

re: #1162 Fozzie Bear

These are what they call the externalities to the cost of oil.

If you factored all this insanity in, gas would be closer to 10 dollars a gallon.

Hate to admit this, but we should be paying more for gasoline.

1165 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:58:25pm

re: #1160 Racer X

Oh I agree. Everything went to hell very quickly.

That's what happens when you disband the police force of an entire nation after toppling its government.

1166 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:58:57pm

re: #1129 Racer X

I don't mean to nitpick, but Saddam was overthrown and ousted into hiding within weeks. The mopping up is what continues to this day.

The Hussein regime was done in weeks.

Sure. We can smash anything overnight. We are that good, and that well-equipped. But as Colin Powell pointed out, it's a 'you break it, you bought it' situation.

1167 Obdicut  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:59:09pm

re: #1151 Racer X

Well, the US cared enough to give lots of support to Iraq. Who were the aggressors, the invaders against Iran.

I think the current government of Iran is totally corrupt, evil as shit. But to the Iranian people-- what must they think of us, when we armed their greatest enemy, including with chemical weapons? There are Iranians dead from weapons fired by Iraqis, sold to them by the US.

And we toppled their democracy.

We need to consider that, when we consider our future with Iran.

Our past with them.

1168 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:59:14pm

Jesus, are we fighting the "Persian gulf" war again, again, again, again, again, again, again, again, again, again....

Uhh, Saddam was a bad man, almost as bad as the leaders in Darfur, Somalia, and another dozen countries I could name. Obviously we had to remove him and insert our own government there just like we did in...uhh...well...uhh, Grenada?

/

1169 ryannon  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:59:32pm

re: #481 Jimmah

Hey creep, you forgot to post your song to bagua :


[Video]


You just can't keep from baiting, can you?

1170 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:59:36pm

re: #1156 Racer X

I would defer that question to the Iraqi people to answer.

The ones now facing Al Queda that they had know clue about before? The daily suicide bombings? The 1/2 day of electricity?

We failed in our non-nation building quest.

gah

1171 Daniel Ballard  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 10:59:50pm

re: #1154 Fozzie Bear

That's not a valid argument for war. That's a valid argument for pushing, at the time, to maintain a strong stance regarding Iraq.

It would have been a fuckload cheaper to keep the pressure on for the past 10 years without invading.

It's an argument to bounce Saddam via methods far short on invasion. I believe Saddam & his sons could have been removed without occupying the whole place. I read Fiasco. Much of what went wrong had to do with post invasion policy. Like firing every Baathist and sending the army home disbanded without any means to earn money. Nothing.

There were many options between containment and what we got.

1172 researchok  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 11:00:09pm

re: #1155 Nimed

As long as we're re-litigating this:

Bush knew Saddam had no weapons of mass destruction

Is "Bush lied" too strong an expression? You can call it a distortion if you wish. The Bush Administration sistematically disregarded the intelligence reports they didn't like and made the case for WMDs appear stronger than it really was for both Congress and the American public. An innocent mistake this was not.

Sorry, but Sidney Blumental isn'y exactly credible.

Further, were the UK, France, Canada, etc also lying?

1173 Gus  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 11:00:36pm

re: #1162 Fozzie Bear

These are what they call the externalities to the cost of oil.

If you factored all this insanity in, gas would be closer to 10 dollars a gallon.

Maybe. But the end result was insanity to a great extent. The waring still exists in the region. Gasoline is sill less around 3 dollars a gallon.

1174 Mocking Jay  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 11:00:37pm

re: #1167 Obdicut

Well, the US cared enough to give lots of support to Iraq. Who were the aggressors, the invaders against Iran.

I think the current government of Iran is totally corrupt, evil as shit. But to the Iranian people-- what must they think of us, when we armed their greatest enemy, including with chemical weapons? There are Iranians dead from weapons fired by Iraqis, sold to them by the US.

And we toppled their democracy.

We need to consider that, when we consider our future with Iran.

Our past with them.

Little more complicated than that, isn't it?

1175 Obdicut  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 11:00:49pm

re: #1169 ryannon

You just can't keep from baiting, can you?

Is that a reflexive question?

Dude. Everything is peaceful. Why throw a jab?

1176 Racer X  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 11:01:27pm

Question:

How come we never hear a peep, not a freaking peep, out of Iraq anymore? Or am I missing it?

1177 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 11:01:38pm

re: #1141 researchok

The US support for Iraq at the time is irrelevant.

We gave Saddam the precursors to WMD's as we did to many nation- all of whom promised- in writing- to use the precursors for pesticide research.

We supported him long after he was clearly a monster.

Now, I can cope with realpolitik with a couple of drinks, but I will never accept 'but Saddam killed a lot of folks, so we had to go in to Iraq' as an argument.

1178 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 11:02:08pm

re: #1166 SanFranciscoZionist

Sure. We can smash anything overnight. We are that good, and that well-equipped. But as Colin Powell pointed out, it's a 'you break it, you bought it' situation.

We are MUCH better at blowing shit up than any nation in the history of the world.

We are no better than anybody else at rebuilding. It takes time, and is extremely expensive. And people who know alot about these things told us it would be easy.

1179 Mocking Jay  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 11:02:14pm

re: #1172 researchok

Sorry, but Sidney Blumental isn'y exactly credible.

Further, were the UK, France, Canada, etc also lying?

I really hate the idea that every intelligence agency in the Free World was that wrong. Almost as scary as believing that they lied.

1180 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 11:02:33pm

re: #1142 Gus 802

Yep. We were just using him to fight the USSR. It was part of the Cold War strategy. It wasn't done with regard to principle. At the time we knew very well that he was a cold hearted ruthless dictator. US interests were far more important. It was also a way of getting revenge against Iran for the hostage incident.

And I can cope with that, sort of. But the blatant, horrific hypocrisy of then emotionally arguing for the invasion based on Saddam's human rights record turns my stomach.

1181 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 11:03:05pm

re: #1165 Fozzie Bear

That's what happens when you disband the police force of an entire nation after toppling its government.

And the majority of the loot (i.e. priceless treasures) are in the hands of Chalabi and his friends.

1182 Racer X  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 11:03:09pm

re: #1178 Fozzie Bear

We are MUCH better at blowing shit up than any nation in the history of the world.

We are no better than anybody else at rebuilding. It takes time, and is extremely expensive. And people who know alot about these things told us it would be easy.

Agreed.

1183 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 11:04:21pm

re: #1167 Obdicut

Well, the US cared enough to give lots of support to Iraq. Who were the aggressors, the invaders against Iran.

I think the current government of Iran is totally corrupt, evil as shit. But to the Iranian people-- what must they think of us, when we armed their greatest enemy, including with chemical weapons? There are Iranians dead from weapons fired by Iraqis, sold to them by the US.

And we toppled their democracy.

We need to consider that, when we consider our future with Iran.

Our past with them.

Please allow me to re quote this.

1184 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 11:04:34pm

re: #1152 Obdicut

And back under Reagan, the people who complained about Muslim treatment of women were liberals.

Heck, under Bush I and Clinton as well.

I recall the way college feminists were patted on the head about women's lives under the Taliban, right up to the point where it suddenly mattered so, so much...

1185 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 11:04:35pm

re: #1172 researchok

Sorry, but Sidney Blumental isn'y exactly credible.

Further, were the UK, France, Canada, etc also lying?

They were citing us in their arguments for war.

They made the mistake of trusting us.

1186 Gus  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 11:04:47pm

re: #1180 SanFranciscoZionist

And I can cope with that, sort of. But the blatant, horrific hypocrisy of then emotionally arguing for the invasion based on Saddam's human rights record turns my stomach.

Oh yeah. It wasn't done for human rights. Not at all. It was done to eliminate a perceived threat. Some of it was justified -- the threats that is. I'm sure the Saudis played a role in it as in "please do something about the Hussien problem." Largely it became a battle to neutralize "known unknowns."

1187 Amory Blaine  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 11:05:02pm

There wasn't support to end the no fly zone. The pressure was for humanitarian aid.

1188 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 11:05:18pm

re: #1168 ausador

Jesus, are we fighting the "Persian gulf" war again, again, again, again, again, again, again, again, again, again...

Uhh, Saddam was a bad man, almost as bad as the leaders in Darfur, Somalia, and another dozen countries I could name. Obviously we had to remove him and insert our own government there just like we did in...uhh...well...uhh, Grenada?

/

Uh, we are still there. It doesn't end till it ends.

1189 Daniel Ballard  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 11:06:02pm

Once we made the horrible error of going in and getting Saddam and his sons, would we be better off if we had just up and left right then? Would Iraq be better off? I think so.

Now please do not take this as support for the invasion!! Just speculating about the options after Saddam was captured.

1190 Racer X  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 11:08:13pm

re: #1189 Rightwingconspirator

Once we made the horrible error of going in and getting Saddam and his sons, would we be better off if we had just up and left right then? Would Iraq be better off? I think so.

Now please do not take this as support for the invasion!! Just speculating about the options after Saddam was captured.

Not sure about that. It's easy to sit here and go all wouldacouldashoulda. I'm not sure there was a plan for after Saddam. If there was, it was a total FAIL.

1191 Gus  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 11:08:24pm

re: #1189 Rightwingconspirator

Once we made the horrible error of going in and getting Saddam and his sons, would we be better off if we had just up and left right then? Would Iraq be better off? I think so.

Now please do not take this as support for the invasion!! Just speculating about the options after Saddam was captured.

I'll bite. I think once we were in we couldn't very well stop, turn around and leave. It became our responsibility to provide nation building after that point. I think if we left it would have resulted in a catastrophe and a regime possibly far worse than Hussein. Iran would have most certainly taken advantage of a withdrawl.

1192 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 11:08:54pm

re: #1176 Racer X

Question:

How come we never hear a peep, not a freaking peep, out of Iraq anymore? Or am I missing it?

Dude, there's a big bombing event there pretty much daily. What?

1193 Nimed  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 11:09:30pm

My normal argument here would be that acquiescence to the Nuremberg Principles is a really good idea, and that any conflict that violates them constitutes an unjust war, period. But I don't want to turn everybody against me. :p

1194 Racer X  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 11:09:31pm

re: #1191 Gus 802

I'll bite. I think once we were in we couldn't very well stop, turn around and leave. It became our responsibility to provide nation building after that point. I think if we left it would have resulted in a catastrophe and a regime possibly far worse than Hussein. Iran would have most certainly taken advantage of a withdrawl.

Excellent point.

"We broke it, we bought it."

1195 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 11:09:42pm

I know this point is often repeated, often attacked as irrelevant, but don't forget: Hussein had betrayed GWB's father, a former ally, and attempted to have him killed. It's not hard to understand why GWB would have a strong personal incentive to make Iraq out to be more of a threat than it was.

1196 ryannon  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 11:09:53pm

re: #497 iceweasel

It's pretty damn annoying for people to pretend that Bagua had 'antagonists', when my 'anatgonism' towards him consisted in repeatedly asking him to leave me alone.

And then constantly alluding to him with Jimmah as if he were not here.

Extremely hypocritical and disingenuous as an argument.

But intellectual honesty is not what the two of you are about.

1197 Daniel Ballard  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 11:09:55pm

re: #1190 Racer X

I suggest reading Fiasco. There was a plan. Then they fucked up The Plan. Then they swapped commanders. Then... ugh. Fugly

1198 Racer X  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 11:10:01pm

re: #1192 Stanley Sea

Dude, there's a big bombing event there pretty much daily. What?

My news channel ignores it completely.

1199 Mocking Jay  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 11:10:04pm

re: #1192 Stanley Sea

Dude, there's a big bombing event there pretty much daily. What?

Yeah, we don't hear a peep out of it because it doesn't make for great headlines anymore. When was the last time you heard about Haiti?

1200 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 11:10:42pm

re: #1177 SanFranciscoZionist

We supported him long after he was clearly a monster.

Now, I can cope with realpolitik with a couple of drinks, but I will never accept 'but Saddam killed a lot of folks, so we had to go in to Iraq' as an argument.

It's actually a very weak retroactive argument.

1201 Daniel Ballard  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 11:11:10pm

re: #1191 Gus 802

I guess I say that because we made such a hash of the rebuild and security after Saddam fell. I ponder thay could have done a better job. But at an awful cost. A worse cost? Maybe.

1202 Gus  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 11:11:28pm

re: #1194 Racer X

Excellent point.

"We broke it, we bought it."

Right. I think it would have been either don't go in the first place or go in and finish the job which would include political and economic stability. Just taking out Saddam and leaving would have been pointless. Maybe that would have worked in The Persian Gulf war. Maybe.

1203 Mocking Jay  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 11:11:42pm
1204 Racer X  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 11:12:44pm

re: #1202 Gus 802

Right. I think it would have been either don't go in the first place or go in and finish the job which would include political and economic stability. Just taking out Saddam and leaving would have been pointless. Maybe that would have worked in The Persian Gulf war. Maybe.

Agreed.

There should have never been a Gulf War 2.

1205 Racer X  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 11:13:05pm

I sleepy.
I out.

1206 Racer X  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 11:13:22pm

nite!

1207 Amory Blaine  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 11:13:45pm

Are there still more contractors than soldiers in Iraq?

1208 Gus  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 11:13:47pm

re: #1201 Rightwingconspirator

I guess I say that because we made such a hash of the rebuild and security after Saddam fell. I ponder thay could have done a better job. But at an awful cost. A worse cost? Maybe.

That was the slap on the temple moment. Suddenly we realized, "OK now what do we do." Nation building almost came as an afterthought but they did manage to rally around the idea and create a decent program to accomplish that goal.

1209 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 11:15:19pm

re: #1193 Nimed

My normal argument here would be that acquiescence to the Nuremberg Principles is a really good idea, and that any conflict that violates them constitutes an unjust war, period. But I don't want to turn everybody against me. :p

Do me a favor, post the Nuremberg Principals

1210 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 11:15:40pm

Now, in the light of the beginning of the war, the massive expense entailed therein, and the state of the defecit/debt at the time...

really wtf were they thinking?

1211 Nimed  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 11:15:48pm

re: #1172 researchok

Sorry, but Sidney Blumental isn'y exactly credible.

Further, were the UK, France, Canada, etc also lying?

No. George Tenet later confirmed the existence of such intelligence. Furthermore, some French intelligence indicated that Saddam didn't have WMD stockpiles. See here:
[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

Again, I'm not saying that all intelligence sources pointed to the absence of WMD. My point is that the ones who did were cherry-picked.

1212 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 11:16:04pm

re: #1195 Fozzie Bear

I know this point is often repeated, often attacked as irrelevant, but don't forget: Hussein had betrayed GWB's father, a former ally, and attempted to have him killed. It's not hard to understand why GWB would have a strong personal incentive to make Iraq out to be more of a threat than it was.

I honestly feel foolish seriously making that argument...but I also recall that when the SCOTUS announced the 2000 election for Bush, I sighed and said "OK, I guess we're going back to Iraq."

1213 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 11:16:09pm

re: #1210 Fozzie Bear

when they cut taxes. (derr tired)

1214 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 11:16:21pm

re: #1198 Racer X

My news channel ignores it completely.

Get a better news channel!

1215 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 11:16:30pm

re: #1194 Racer X

Excellent point.

"We broke it, we bought it."

Yeah, but it wasn't sold to us like that!!!!!!

That's why I'm still pissed off.

1216 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 11:17:55pm

re: #1196 ryannon

Stop it.

What do you think of Bagua going to the shit head tread? Answer that instead of attacking.

1217 Gus  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 11:17:58pm

re: #1196 ryannon

You're getting to be like a broken record with this.

1218 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 11:19:09pm

re: #1200 Stanley Sea

It's actually a very weak retroactive argument.

It's a dishonest tear-jerker. As a bleeding-heart liberal, I get to hear, over and over, why we can't send troops to this part of the world or that where horrible things are happening to people, and because I'm mostly a grown-up, I mostly cope.

But when people use Saddam or the Taliban's human-rights violations as an argument against me--"Oh, we had to go in, or were you OK with Saddam's thugs raping women to punish their dissident family members?"--I get very, very cranky.

(This, BTW, is not meant to suggest anyone in this thread is using this argument, I'm just being generally cranky for practice. This is the most rational conversation I've had about Iraq in years.)

1219 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 11:20:59pm

re: #1215 Stanley Sea

Yeah, but it wasn't sold to us like that!!!

That's why I'm still pissed off.

Colin Powell said, flat-out, that it was like going to Pottery Barn. "You break it, you bought it."

Pottery Barn responded almost immediately, and said that was not their store policy. If only we'd invaded Pottery Barn...

1220 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 11:21:36pm

re: #1210 Fozzie Bear

Now, in the light of the beginning of the war, the massive expense entailed therein, and the state of the defecit/debt at the time...

really wtf were they thinking?

It is still completely out of the minds of the GOP who talk about the deficit.

Unless along with Afghanistan, they start crowing for the withdrawal of Iraq (Obama's 2nd war) to reduce the deficit.

1221 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 11:21:52pm

re: #1218 SanFranciscoZionist

Upding to infinity.

You can't call me a bleeding heart Utopian and simultaneously use arguments like that. Not that this is what's happening here, but it did happen in the larger debate over the war.

1222 Nimed  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 11:22:18pm

re: #1218 SanFranciscoZionist

But when people use Saddam or the Taliban's human-rights violations as an argument against me--"Oh, we had to go in, or were you OK with Saddam's thugs raping women to punish their dissident family members?"--I get very, very cranky.

{SanFranZ}

1223 Gus  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 11:23:39pm

re: #1215 Stanley Sea

Yeah, but it wasn't sold to us like that!!!

That's why I'm still pissed off.

If I remember correctly part of the idea was that we were going to be greeted like saviors. And that there wouldn't be much to any resistance.

1224 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 11:25:00pm

re: #1223 Gus 802

If I remember correctly part of the idea was that we were going to be greeted like saviors. And that there wouldn't be much to any resistance.

Little girls would throw flowers to our troops. Young women would swoon and have sex with them. I guess the guys would buy them drinks.

1225 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 11:25:06pm

re: #1218 SanFranciscoZionist

I would ding more if I could. I so agree.

1226 Nimed  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 11:27:03pm

re: #1209 Stanley Sea

Do me a favor, post the Nuremberg Principals

They're sort of longish. You can go here
[Link: deoxy.org...]

1227 Gus  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 11:27:16pm

re: #1224 SanFranciscoZionist

Little girls would throw flowers to our troops. Young women would swoon and have sex with them. I guess the guys would buy them drinks.

Remember the mess that occurred with the hospitals in Baghdad?

1228 Mocking Jay  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 11:27:30pm

re: #1225 Stanley Sea

I would ding more if I could.

In bed.

1229 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 11:28:23pm

re: #1227 Gus 802

Remember the mess that occurred with the hospitals in Baghdad?

No, or at least it's not coming up in my mind.

1230 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 11:29:38pm

Not suitable for young people, old people, middle aged people, or people who have any sense of taste: The chat logs of the notorious bloodninja.

1231 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 11:29:57pm

re: #1188 Stanley Sea

Uh, we are still there. It doesn't end till it ends.

Yep, we sure are, don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to say that we don't have to "stay the course" now, of course we do. Iran is sitting waiting in the wings and hoping for us to leave a destabilized and weak country.

Still it basically comes down starting a war solely for the purpose of the "Bush" legacy, well, he got his legacy alright, not the kind he imagined when he was standing on that aircraft carrier with the "Mission Accomplished" sign though...

Afghanistan I was 100% behind, Iraq I always saw as nothing but trying to "do one better than his daddy." He fucking failed, badly, ineptly, grotesquely, not in war, but the aftermath he had seemingly never given any thought to. Didn't the dufus bother to ask his daddy why he stopped short of toppling the country after the "100 hour war?"

George H was a pretty damn good president
George W was a fricking moron who was led by the nose by his Neo-con advisers.

The results have been much less than could have been desired.

1232 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 11:30:15pm

re: #1223 Gus 802

If I remember correctly part of the idea was that we were going to be greeted like saviors. And that there wouldn't be much to any resistance.

Oh the joy of that statue toppling.

I've read that the recent election has not been settled? I need to check.

but it's way far away from honkey dorey in Iraq. Ooh I still need to check out the progress of our mega embassy. You all saw that huge multi million dollar building on the Euphrates, yes?

1233 Gus  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 11:30:41pm

re: #1229 SanFranciscoZionist

No, or at least it's not coming up in my mind.

The mayhem. The lack of contingency plans from the invading forces to provide logistical and material support to the Iraqi population. They were essentially left on their own. Not a very good way to be welcomed in my opinion.

1234 Gus  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 11:33:30pm

re: #1232 Stanley Sea

Oh the joy of that statue toppling.

I've read that the recent election has not been settled? I need to check.

but it's way far away from honkey dorey in Iraq. Ooh I still need to check out the progress of our mega embassy. You all saw that huge multi million dollar building on the Euphrates, yes?

They should have never wrapped the American flag on that statue. No big deal to me now but that was very bad symbolically if we were in fact there not as, allegedly, an occupying force. Don't know about the current status of the election. There are frequent mass casualties from terrorist bombings however.

1235 ryannon  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 11:33:54pm

re: #1175 Obdicut

Is that a reflexive question?

Dude. Everything is peaceful. Why throw a jab?

Dude, I'm responding to a jab. I come on this thread late, and that's what I see. Does Jimmah have a pass to bait and troll? And is it considered bad form to point this out?

1236 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 11:34:18pm

re: #1231 ausador

Very much agree. I think I misunderstood your original post.

1237 Nimed  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 11:35:45pm

re: #1224 SanFranciscoZionist

Little girls would throw flowers to our troops. Young women would swoon and have sex with them. I guess the guys would buy them drinks.

Iraqi women's reaction upon seeing one of our boys - TAKE ME! TAKE ME NOW, OH BRAVE AND WHOLESOME FREEDOM FIGHTER!

Iraqi men's reaction - TAKE ME! TAKE ME NOW, OH BRAVE AND WHOLESOME FREEDOM FIGHTER!

Yes, the men would have the same uncontrollable reaction to the sweet, intoxicating freedom.

1238 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 11:36:11pm

re: #1233 Gus 802

The mayhem. The lack of contingency plans from the invading forces to provide logistical and material support to the Iraqi population. They were essentially left on their own. Not a very good way to be welcomed in my opinion.

Bremer. Who is he lobbying for these days?

1239 Mocking Jay  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 11:36:18pm

re: #1230 Fozzie Bear

Not suitable for young people, old people, middle aged people, or people who have any sense of taste: The chat logs of the notorious bloodninja.

That's, like, the very definition of troll. A good one, though.

1240 Mocking Jay  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 11:38:13pm

re: #1235 ryannon

Dude, I'm responding to a jab. I come on this thread late, and that's what I see. Does Jimmah have a pass to bait and troll? And is it considered bad form to point this out?

Responding to a jab from 700 posts ago that wasn't even directed at you?

1241 Nimed  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 11:38:18pm

re: #1230 Fozzie Bear

Not suitable for young people, old people, middle aged people, or people who have any sense of taste: The chat logs of the notorious bloodninja.

A classic! I feel a bit guilty I find some of them hilarious.

1242 Gus  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 11:38:23pm

re: #1238 Stanley Sea

Bremer. Who is he lobbying for these days?

Bremer - Post Iraq

Bremer currently serves as Chairman of the Advisory Board for GlobalSecure Corporation, a company whose focus is "on securing the homeland with integrated products and services for the critical incident response community worldwide,". and on the board of directors of BlastGard International, Inc., a company located in Florida that manufactures materials to mitigate the impact of explosions. (Standard and Poor's Register)

Bremer and wife Frances, the spokeswoman for the National Fibromyalgia Association, travel around the country to help raise public awareness about Fibromyalgia, a medical condition that some claim afflicts 10 million Americans and five percent of the world's population. He is a member of the board of directors of the International Republican Institute.

1243 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 11:40:24pm

re: #1242 Gus 802

UGH.

Although I respect his wife and her work.

1244 ryannon  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 11:42:01pm

re: #1240 JasonA

Responding to a jab from 700 posts ago that wasn't even directed at you?

In the past, I used to post a music video 'for Bagua' in the late night threads.

I was the only one to do this after he received his time-out.

Who could Jimmah possibly have been referring to?

.

1245 ryannon  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 11:43:15pm

PIMF: "Who other could Jimmah possibly have been referring to?

1246 Gus  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 11:44:50pm

re: #1243 Stanley Sea

UGH.

Although I respect his wife and her work.

Yeah. Board membership. Two in fact. I bet they pay him a nice sum just to have his name attached to their firms. Cush job. The Blast Guard board position would have been considered a conflict of interest if he was still holding public office. I guess he made his way into an industry that made quite the profit with the creation of the Homeland Security.

1247 Mocking Jay  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 11:45:13pm

re: #1245 ryannon

PIMF: "Who other could Jimmah possibly have been referring to?

I'm pretty sure he was in the middle of a conversation with Brookly at the time, but if you want to have a fight with a guy who isn't even here then please, be my guest.

1248 Nimed  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 11:46:58pm

re: #1244 ryannon

He was responding to brookly. The song dedicated to Bagua was Take That's "Back for Good". Don't you think there's a more straightforward explanation than a jab at you?

1249 ryannon  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 11:52:19pm

In that case, my error and my excuses. I was off-thread and was reading through fast to catch up. I did see a slew of comments evoking - which I find odd, since he's both gone and unable to reply - followed by Jimmah's song & creep comment.

As you may have noticed, there is an ongoing conflict between Ice, Jimmah and myself - and one which they simply won't let go of.

Given past experience, my conclusion was that I was the one being trolled.

I'm happy to learn that this wasn't the case, and I thank you for letting me know of my error.

1250 ryannon  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 11:53:58pm

PIMF:

I did see a slew of comments evoking Bagua - which I find odd, since he's both gone and unable to reply - followed by Jimmah's song & creep comment.

1251 Mocking Jay  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 11:55:26pm

re: #1249 ryannon

Fair enough, but that's how this stuff starts. I've had enough pleasant conversations with you to not want to get involved. My advice, and I know full well it hasn't been asked for, is just let it all go.

1252 Mocking Jay  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 11:58:37pm

re: #1250 ryannon

PIMF:

I did see a slew of comments evoking Bagua - which I find odd, since he's both gone and unable to reply - followed by Jimmah's song & creep comment.

Oh he's still watching. A look at the deuce will tell you that much. And he's made his opinion of LGF, and what his recent intentions have been, pretty clear. It started with Cato's open letter to him. Then Brookly made him out to be a victim. Things went from there. That's it.

1253 ryannon  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 11:59:57pm

re: #1251 JasonA

Fair enough, but that's how this stuff starts. I've had enough pleasant conversations with you to not want to get involved. My advice, and I know full well it hasn't been asked for, is just let it all go.

You have no idea how much I would like to let it go. But to a certain extent, it takes two (and in this case) three to tango.

I like most of the people on this forum and have rarely ever found myself in a conflictual situation before this particular conflict began months ago.

1254 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sat, Jul 24, 2010 12:01:14am

re: #1245 ryannon

PIMF: "Who other could Jimmah possibly have been referring to?

Why do you care? why do you bring up a lizard that went loco to the stalker site?

1255 Mocking Jay  Sat, Jul 24, 2010 12:03:56am

re: #1253 ryannon

You have no idea how much I would like to let it go. But to a certain extent, it takes two (and in this case) three to tango.

I like most of the people on this forum and have rarely ever found myself in a conflictual situation before this particular conflict began months ago.

Okay. Well, if they start with you that's one thing. But Bagua isn't someone to be defended anymore. Not after he wrote

It wasn’t easy. Lol. An extended undercover operation. After a while one comes to resemble those being infiltrated!

In that light, my apologies to anyone here I may have said unkind words to. It was necessary to to maintain cover. I quite enjoyed mocking those freaks to their faces, and there are quite a number of good folks left there that were pleasant to chat with.

I said above that I'm not going to take my potshots. I know a lot of folks here liked the guy and actually feel some loss over this. I can respect that. But if Brookly wants to say that he was baited, even after reading what I quoted above, he can expect to be pounced on after that.

and with that I should be going to bed. Ciao, lizards.

1256 ryannon  Sat, Jul 24, 2010 12:06:27am

re: #1252 JasonA

Oh he's still watching. A look at the deuce will tell you that much. And he's made his opinion of LGF, and what his recent intentions have been, pretty clear. It started with Cato's open letter to him. Then Brookly made him out to be a victim. Things went from there. That's it.

My friend, can you conceive that I have no interest in having to look at the deuce just to figure out what's going on here? As evidenced by my misinterpretation tonight, just maintaining my sanity and my cool on this forum has become difficult enough without adding another layer of craziness to it all.

The expression 'forgive and forget' was practically invented by me, but other than your wise words, I see no offer from the source of this particular conflict, despite having sued for peace on several occasions.

I'm ready to drop all of this as soon as I see that others are too. Up until now, I've had little evidence of this, but perhaps things can and will change.

1257 ryannon  Sat, Jul 24, 2010 12:09:19am

re: #1254 Stanley Sea

Why do you care? why do you bring up a lizard that went loco to the stalker site?

I came into this thread after a number of people had brought him up. Didn't you read the comments? Do you really imagine I was the first and only person to refer to him? And in fact, I wasn't even talking about him: I was responding to a what I took to be Jimmah's allusion to myself.

1258 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sat, Jul 24, 2010 12:11:17am

re: #1257 ryannon

It will be cool.

It was just a fucked up thing you know?

1259 ryannon  Sat, Jul 24, 2010 12:13:10am
It will be cool.

It was just a fucked up thing you know?

Thank you for saying so: it corresponds to my sincerest wishes.

Let's just go on: there's a new day and a new thread awaiting....

1260 The Left  Sat, Jul 24, 2010 12:21:31am

re: #1250 ryannon

PIMF:

I did see a slew of comments evoking Bagua - which I find odd, since he's both gone and unable to reply - followed by Jimmah's song & creep comment.

Sorry, the guy who is defending the batshit stalker is commenting about people who weren't here and weren't able to reply.

Laughable. You're the conflict, buddy. You want it to drop, then just quit it.

1261 The Left  Sat, Jul 24, 2010 12:22:34am

re: #1240 JasonA

Responding to a jab from 700 posts ago that wasn't even directed at you?

Obvious troll is obvious.

1262 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Sat, Jul 24, 2010 6:30:36am

re: #828 Guanxi88

I've yet to come across a Korean woman married to a Westerner who does not absolutely RULE her home; same for Chinese, and same goes DOUBLE for the ladies of Vietnam and SE Asia. Don't EVER cross them, fellows.

Word is out that Western men aren't hip to the way things work, and so don't realize - or don't mind - that their wives run the show.

My brother is married to a Chinese-descent Malaysian woman. He falls into the "don't mind" category in that he basically lets her have her way until it edges into something he deems important.

The social circles are somewhat interesting to behold when visiting on the holidays. And I can attest that the Chinese community side is massively status conscious and Westerners with laid-back attitudes can confuse them greatly.

1263 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Sat, Jul 24, 2010 6:40:58am

re: #897 JasonA

Right-wing conspiracy: Sherrod controversy "orchestrated" by the White House to "smear Breitbart"

You know, I'm not sure how much longer I can deal with this crap...

I think I predicted this step in a thread a couple of days ago. Not that it was that hard to predict the controversy going down that path eventually.

1264 prairiefire  Sat, Jul 24, 2010 9:09:27am

re: #1220 Stanley Sea

It is still completely out of the minds of the GOP who talk about the deficit.

Unless along with Afghanistan, they start crowing for the withdrawal of Iraq (Obama's 2nd war) to reduce the deficit.

Obama puts Bush's wars on the actual accounting books, so the deficit is all Obama's fault./

1265 Aye Pod  Sat, Jul 24, 2010 9:32:20am

re: #1257 ryannon

I came into this thread after a number of people had brought him up. Didn't you read the comments? Do you really imagine I was the first and only person to refer to him? And in fact, I wasn't even talking about him: I was responding to a what I took to be Jimmah's allusion to myself.

Ok you are ryannon, right? And the person I was addressing was brookly red?

And your name wasn't mentioned right?

But it was all about you because I suggested a music video for Bagua. Why would that be - because no one else posts music for anyone except when you do it for Bagua? Get a grip.

What you are actually upset about of course is criticism of Bagua and those who are defending him. That's why you are whining about him not being able to answer etc - even while he is posting away on stalker blogs about how evil and stupid LGF is, and how Charles is an idiot etc.

1266 prairiefire  Sat, Jul 24, 2010 9:37:53am

re: #1263 oaktree

I think I predicted this step in a thread a couple of days ago. Not that it was that hard to predict the controversy going down that path eventually.

I do believe you did, Oaktree.


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