Even in Error, Breitbart Attacks

The LA Times’s Jim Rainey has pretty much the same take on the Shirley Sherrod affair as I do — there’s a villain in this little play, and his name is Andrew Breitbart.

Certain media outlets have played the story and the political ramifications for the Obama administration (and there are questions to be answered) as if they sprang out of the ether. There’s a continuing rush to talk about effect, and very little desire to talk about cause — the steaming pile of misinformation delivered on a platter by one individual with a giant ax to grind.

Andrew Breitbart, the conservative agitator behind websites like breitbart.com and biggovernment.com, likes it this way. Stirring the pot, gobbling up chunks of cable television time, doing whatever it takes to further his political beliefs, even if it means putting one woman’s reputation through a meat grinder.

The severely edited video posted on Breitbart’s biggovernment.com shows Sherrod, who is black, telling an NAACP gathering in March that she had once scrimped on assistance to a white man in danger of losing his farm. Not included in the video posting was the bulk of Sherrod’s talk, in which she recognized the error of her ways a quarter of a century ago and helped the white man, saving his farm. As a result, the farm advocate and the white family formed a lasting friendship.

Breitbart headlined the video as “proof” that “the NAACP awards racism,” when in fact it showed one woman trying to teach a lesson about the shortcomings of racial discrimination. …

Indeed, anyone who has watched television in recent days has seen an unrepentant Breitbart insisting he did nothing wrong. His previous encounters with controversy reveal a similar pattern — make no concessions, savage critics, change the subject and keep attacking. Don’t bet he’s finished with Shirley Sherrod.

Read the whole thing. The only good thing to come out of this debacle is that Andrew Breitbart’s credibility has completely evaporated, and it’s unlikely that he’ll be able to destroy another innocent person’s life — because nobody is going to take a Breitbart “scoop” at face value again.

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104 comments
1 Mocking Jay  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 11:20:45pm

I strongly disagree with this sentence:

because nobody is going to take a Breitbart “scoop” at face value again.

I promise you, some people will.

2 MittDoesNotCompute  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 11:20:59pm

Fuck Andrew Breitbart, his confederates, and his acolytes...they have absolutely no scruples or shame.

3 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 11:23:22pm

re: #1 JasonA

I strongly disagree with this sentence:

I promise you, some people will.

Fox will. I guarantee it.

4 Obdicut  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 11:25:10pm

And remember, folks, this is retroactive. Brietbart didn't get this way overnight. The ACORN scandal, which I know many decent people were taken in by, was a Brietbart creation.

And I do not think it is a coincidence he targeted a group that helps to get out the black vote.

5 researchok  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 11:37:05pm

Breitbart is a low life.

Even he wasn't in the 'News' business, you can be sure that no matter what he did, sleaze, slime and deceit would be his calling card.

6 Eclectic Infidel  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 11:40:37pm

re: #1 JasonA

I strongly disagree with this sentence:

I promise you, some people will.

Those who follow blindly, yes. The ones who entertain the same level of hate against black people, definitely. Everyone else, will approach Breitbart's announcements with skepticism. Perhaps that is the second good thing to have come from all this - a reminder that a healthy dose of doubt is in order when such serious claims are made.

7 aurelius  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 11:41:33pm

Breitbart is scum.

For him to make a public, vocal, smearing accusation of racism based on out of context, non-representative snippets...

I'm sorry, that's the lowest of the low.

Anyone who does that should fry in the ninth circle of hell.

8 Mocking Jay  Fri, Jul 23, 2010 11:46:26pm

re: #7 aurelius

Breitbart is scum.

For him to make a public, vocal, smearing accusation of racism based on out of context, non-representative snippets...

I'm sorry, that's the lowest of the low.

Anyone who does that should fry in the ninth circle of hell.

psst. Ninth circle is a frozen lake. :)

9 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Sat, Jul 24, 2010 12:00:19am
The only good thing to come out of this debacle is that Andrew Breitbart’s credibility has completely evaporated, and it’s unlikely that he’ll be able to destroy another innocent person’s life — because nobody is going to take a Breitbart “scoop” at face value again.

That is kind of how I see it, one would hope that any news organization with a shred of credibility would never fall for another of his "outrageous outrages' again.

/of course that would unfortunately need news media outlets who had or wanted credibility, we seem to be a little short of those lately. :(

10 AK-47%  Sat, Jul 24, 2010 12:05:48am

He is on vacation right now, but as soon as he return, he is going to start scooping up the monkey poo in his little mental cage and satart flingin git again.

11 Gus  Sat, Jul 24, 2010 12:09:39am

re: #1 JasonA

I strongly disagree with this sentence:

I promise you, some people will.

I'm pretty sure from now on he'll be severely limited to Fox News. He will still be taken seriously by the American far-right and the Tea Party crowds.

12 tnguitarist  Sat, Jul 24, 2010 12:10:35am

re: #11 Gus 802

I'm pretty sure from now on he'll be severely limited to Fox News. He will still be taken seriously by the American far-right and the Tea Party crowds.

You're right. There is no way they are taking their blinders off.

13 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Sat, Jul 24, 2010 12:13:12am

BTW: Kevin Drum has made a really good point here...

There have been three big conservative outrages that have choked the airwaves over the past couple of weeks. #1 was about a bunch of scary black men, the New Black Panther Party. #2 was about a bunch of scary Muslims who want to build a triumphal mosque on the sacred soil of Ground Zero. #3 was about a vindictive black woman who works for the government and screws the white people she deals with. The running theme here is not just a coincidence.

Yep, you would have to be either a moron or asleep to miss the current running theme...'Other/Bad' and it makes me kinda sick. Just who the fuck is running my "ex"-party nowadays? I'd really like to know so I can at least send them a virulently nasty email about how much I despise them....

14 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sat, Jul 24, 2010 12:13:39am

I think Fox was really damaged. At least to those who follow the internet news.

Now, no one will admit that out loud, but I think they know it.

15 Gus  Sat, Jul 24, 2010 12:14:09am

re: #12 tnguitarist

You're right. There is no way they are taking their blinders off.

Yep. There will be the cynical ones who may not believe deep down inside that Shirley Sherrod is racist but they will tell you otherwise in public. There will be the true believers that will stick to their guns. You also have to consider that a lot of people that flock to Breitbart are of the belief that "all black people are racists" anyway. It's a rather motley crew but they have a rather homogeneous view on things regardless of their internal motivations.

16 Gus  Sat, Jul 24, 2010 12:20:39am

re: #14 Stanley Sea

I think Fox was really damaged. At least to those who follow the internet news.

Now, no one will admit that out loud, but I think they know it.

Yep. The biggest loser is still Andrew Breitbart. He's now become more known to the general public and the end result of this stunt is that he has only attained infamy with the general public. He's also a voice for the Tea Party in many respects -- he's a perfect match for that hysterical political movement.

17 The Left  Sat, Jul 24, 2010 12:29:52am

re: #16 Gus 802

Yep. The biggest loser is still Andrew Breitbart. He's now become more known to the general public and the end result of this stunt is that he has only attained infamy with the general public. He's also a voice for the Tea Party in many respects -- he's a perfect match for that hysterical political movement.

Breitbart's goal is to be Drudge 2.0, bottom line.
(politico sort of beat him to it in some ways)

18 Gus  Sat, Jul 24, 2010 12:34:04am

re: #17 iceweasel

Breitbart's goal is to be Drudge 2.0, bottom line.
(politico sort of beat him to it in some ways)

Yep. Just when you thought they couldn't sink lower than Fox News along comes Drudge. Then comes Andrew Breitbart to lower the bar even more. It really all began with the trash king himself IMO: Bill O'Reilly. It's all a bi-product of the trash news corporation designed and created by Rupert Murdoch.

19 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sat, Jul 24, 2010 12:35:12am

re: #17 iceweasel

Oh, Tucker is trying to get in there too w/his climate gate, er I mean journolist scoops

20 RadicalModerate  Sat, Jul 24, 2010 12:37:20am

re: #1 JasonA

I strongly disagree with this sentence:

because nobody is going to take a Breitbart “scoop” at face value again.

I promise you, some people will.

Precisely. There are far too many people in what currently qualifies as the mainstream right who consider Brietbart a hero for his hatchet job.

Exhibit A:

[Link: canadafreepress.com...]


The entire Breitbart-Sherrod-NAACP-Tea Party mess is a lesson in how the left tries to sabotage and undermine conversations that don’t suit it.

The entire Sherrod soap opera served as a warning about the political uses of racism, and it changed the conversation from whether the Tea Party is racist, to whether the NAACP is racist. Breitbart understands this. Many of his critics at some conservative blogs don’t.

These are ugly tactics, but they may be the only kind that work in an environment dominated by ruthless far left agendas in both the media and the political sphere.

21 Gus  Sat, Jul 24, 2010 12:37:31am

Part entertainment news show. Part gossip magazine. Part Jerry Springer. Part National Enquirer. Really low-brow.

22 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sat, Jul 24, 2010 12:43:21am

I'm out! Tks all!

23 The Left  Sat, Jul 24, 2010 12:43:40am

re: #19 Stanley Sea

Oh, Tucker is trying to get in there too w/his climate gate, er I mean journolist scoops

Oh yeah. I saw a little of that, havent had time to follow up.

re: #18 Gus 802

Yep. Just when you thought they couldn't sink lower than Fox News along comes Drudge. Then comes Andrew Breitbart to lower the bar even more. It really all began with the trash king himself IMO: Bill O'Reilly. It's all a bi-product of the trash news corporation designed and created by Rupert Murdoch.

And of course Breitbart worked with Drudge originally. I think you're the one who told me that initially?
Drudge hasn't moved or evolved netwise. that site still looks like shit and like the chain email it originally was. That's part (I assume) of why Brietbart is moving up.
Speaking of Murdoch, the WSJ editorial page is now completely wingnut. Holy shit, some crazy stuff there the last few days. Wanted to do a page about two of them but I've been so busy.

There's some Very Serious Person mainstreaming the claim that the NAACP is raaacist and we don't need it or any other such organisations now. The only racism now is the Unbearable Heaviness of Being a White Male, or something.

24 The Left  Sat, Jul 24, 2010 12:46:24am

re: #21 Gus 802

Part entertainment news show. Part gossip magazine. Part Jerry Springer. Part National Enquirer. Really low-brow.


Throw in some new age 'medicine', bad science and anti-vaxxers and this could also describe most of HuffPo.

25 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Jul 24, 2010 12:48:20am

re: #19 Stanley Sea

Oh, Tucker is trying to get in there too w/his climate gate, er I mean journolist scoops

God Tucker Carlson, thy name is WHY DOESN'T I HAS A CAREER?!?!?!?

26 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Jul 24, 2010 12:49:48am

re: #24 iceweasel

Throw in some new age 'medicine', bad science and anti-vaxxers and this could also describe most of HuffPo.

it's the worst thing about HuffPo, the new age quackery :P

Crystal power! Great for subject matter for spacerock songs, bad for medicine

27 Gus  Sat, Jul 24, 2010 12:51:46am

re: #23 iceweasel

And of course Breitbart worked with Drudge originally. I think you're the one who told me that initially?
Drudge hasn't moved or evolved netwise. that site still looks like shit and like the chain email it originally was. That's part (I assume) of why Brietbart is moving up.
Speaking of Murdoch, the WSJ editorial page is now completely wingnut. Holy shit, some crazy stuff there the last few days. Wanted to do a page about two of them but I've been so busy.

There's some Very Serious Person mainstreaming the claim that the NAACP is raaacist and we don't need it or any other such organisations now. The only racism now is the Unbearable Heaviness of Being a White Male, or something.

Someone else told me about Breibart joining up with Drudge. Not sure what the chronology of that is. I have a sneaking suspicion that there might be more to that relationship and I'll leave it at that.

The WSJ editorial has gone down the toilet and is getting more crazy over time. Not old school intellectual conservatives. It's sort of what happened with National Review and it turned into NRO trying to find appeal with the online wingnuts as well as providing some pseudo-highbrow reading.

Nothing is more pathetic than those that try to claim white male victimhood. Along those lines are "reverse racism" and people always crying about people or groups pulling "the race card." Breitbart pulled the race-card in his own strange manner and failed. The far-right is constantly pulling "the race card." Are they that blind and don't see it in groups like the CCC, Vdare, Minutemen, or in many of the Tea Party events?

28 freetoken  Sat, Jul 24, 2010 12:53:20am

re: #26 WindUpBird

Arianna always was a flake, and now her namesake web presence represents that.

29 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Jul 24, 2010 12:53:26am

re: #13 ausador

I think certain factions in the GOP (not all of them) have found it easier to corral and control stupid and suggestible people, than try and appeal with actual policy and ideas

And with the internet and modern media, it's on such a faster track :(

30 Gus  Sat, Jul 24, 2010 12:53:56am

re: #24 iceweasel

Throw in some new age 'medicine', bad science and anti-vaxxers and this could also describe most of HuffPo.

So true. I got to HuffPo to get my latest news on Lindsey Lohan. I only look at those if something catches my "eye" if you know what I mean.

Homeopathy! Take this pill and swallow with 30,000 gallons of water on a full stomach.

/

31 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Jul 24, 2010 12:55:05am

re: #27 Gus 802

Someone else told me about Breibart joining up with Drudge. Not sure what the chronology of that is. I have a sneaking suspicion that there might be more to that relationship and I'll leave it at that.

Breitbart/Drudge slash fic! heehee

(there's already slash fiction of Tucker Carlson and Olbermann, I am not even kidding)

32 Gus  Sat, Jul 24, 2010 12:55:29am

re: #24 iceweasel

re: #28 freetoken

Oh yeah. Breitbart was associated with her at one point during the creation of HuffPo.

33 Gus  Sat, Jul 24, 2010 12:57:24am
American consumers spent an estimated $34 billion on alternative medicine in 2007, with about $3 billion of that going toward homeopathic treatments.

3 billion!

Duh-e.

34 RadicalModerate  Sat, Jul 24, 2010 12:57:27am

re: #19 Stanley Sea

Oh, Tucker is trying to get in there too w/his climate gate, er I mean journolist scoops

You mean Tucker "so smart when he cybersquatted the keitholberman.com domain name, but neglected to protect his own" Carlson?

35 Gus  Sat, Jul 24, 2010 12:59:39am

Can you believe it? We supposed to have a dialogue on race from all this and Andrew Breitbart is involved? What the fuck is wrong with this country?

36 Gus  Sat, Jul 24, 2010 1:00:09am

re: #35 Gus 802

We're not we. Sheesh. Whatever, dumb typo.

37 RadicalModerate  Sat, Jul 24, 2010 1:03:30am

Woohoo. finally broke 1K karma - not bad for a non-prolific poster in just over 6 months' time.

38 The Left  Sat, Jul 24, 2010 1:06:34am

re: #31 WindUpBird

Breitbart/Drudge slash fic! heehee

(there's already slash fiction of Tucker Carlson and Olbermann, I am not even kidding)

God I love the internet.

39 freetoken  Sat, Jul 24, 2010 1:10:49am

re: #35 Gus 802

Here's Breitbart's father in law, Orson Bean, at a Tea Party rally:

Yeah, Bean went SoCon some time back.

Breitbart is a Hollywood brat, pure and simple. Wikipedia lists him as a "provocateur", which is a polite way of saying he has nothing useful in life to do but spend his father in law's money.

That Breitbart hooked up with Arianna Huffington, who herself has followed one religious wacko (with questionable sexual aspects) after another, gold-mined the rich Republicans until it was convenient to "change"... That Breitbart pals around with Matt Drudge and wild man Savage... etc. etc...

That pretty much says it all.

40 The Left  Sat, Jul 24, 2010 1:11:12am

re: #34 RadicalModerate

You mean Tucker "so smart when he cybersquatted the keitholberman.com domain name, but neglected to protect his own" Carlson?

ahahahahaha! I didn't know about that!

Tucker's 'business plan' for the Daily Caller also revealed some comedy gold:

The offices of The Daily Caller evoke a long-ago era of journalism, circa 2005 or 2006, before the Los Angeles Times closed its big-city bureaus, The Washington Times fired 60 percent of its staff, and magazines from Gourmet to Portfolio shuttered for lack of revenue. A staff of 21 reporters and editors sit in blindingly white offices and a wide-open center space, cranking out content for the site’s January 11 launch. Other possible hires walk in and out of Editor-in-Chief Tucker Carlson’s office, past a lounge inhabited by liquor bottles and a sleeping dog, and decorated by clocks that tell the time in far-flung and random locations: Pyongyang, Jackson Hole, Washington, Honolulu.

“I just thought it was funny,” said Carlson, chewing on a piece of Nicorette. (He quit smoking last year, on his 40th birthday.) “We dispatched some intern to go and get those signs made. Actually, it was $150 — I never would have done it if I’d thought it would be so expensive. But something about it amused me. They’re on velcro. We swap ‘em out — we’ve got a whole drawer full of ‘em.”

[...]

Whenever he’s asked, Carlson will happily admit the lofty goals he’s set for the site. It’s got to fill the gap that the “pathetic” media has left in coverage of how government works. It’s got to generate buzz and drive the conversation, getting stories that other media have to chase and topping a million page-views a month, “although one word I’ll never use is ‘metric.’” It’s got to be fun. That’s the point of the foreign clocks and the random posters Carlson has placed around the office. But there’s the occasional strange found object that makes a greater point, like the photo of a joyful Korean businessman perched on top of his store during the L.A. riots, holding a rifle.

“Because he’s taken the time to defend himself with a firearm,” explained Carlson, “he’s not going to be victimized by the racist mobs below. He is smiling. That’s a smile that reflects both his self-satisfaction and also the promise of America. The promise of America is ‘We’ll let you do what you want, as long as you defend yourself.’ I just love that. I’ve had that over every desk I’ve ever had as an adult.

41 freetoken  Sat, Jul 24, 2010 1:12:14am

How come contestants on US game shows can't be like this?

42 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Jul 24, 2010 1:12:35am

This is really starting to look like an "own goal" of epic proportions for Breitbart. I hope it dogs him into obscurity.

Andrew Breitbart, the conservative agitator behind websites like Breitbart.com and BigGovernment.com...

I wish people would stop using that adjective in conjunction with people like Breitbart. There is nothing conservative about him, what he has done, nor is there anything conservative about those who support him in this. The better term is "reactionary".

Alas, I hold out no hope. The term has been perverted by both the left and the right to the point that it is meaningless. I am seriously beginning to feel the pain of those here in the past who once identified as "liberal", and have since disowned the label due to similar perversion.

re: #32 Gus 802

re: #28 freetoken

Oh yeah. Breitbart was associated with her at one point during the creation of HuffPo.

True:

He went on to work for Arianna Huffington, once described as the most upwardly mobile Greek since Icarus, during her rightwing phase. Breitbart helped launch the Huffington Post in 2005, but they parted company when Huffington lurched to the left. Breitbart has said that he wants his sites to be conservative versions of the Huffington Post.


What a lofty goal.
/

43 Gus  Sat, Jul 24, 2010 1:15:45am

re: #39 freetoken

Here's Breitbart's father in law, Orson Bean, at a Tea Party rally:


[Video]Yeah, Bean went SoCon some time back.

Breitbart is a Hollywood brat, pure and simple. Wikipedia lists him as a "provocateur", which is a polite way of saying he has nothing useful in life to do but spend his father in law's money.

That Breitbart hooked up with Arianna Huffington, who herself has followed one religious wacko (with questionable sexual aspects) after another, gold-mined the rich Republicans until it was convenient to "change"... That Breitbart pals around with Matt Drudge and wild man Savage... etc. etc...

That pretty much says it all.

+2

Forgot about the Orson Bean connection. Very accurate and compact description of Arianna. While I might look to HuffPo for news that's it. OK, I'll also check out the occasional Jon Stewart video. I know one thing's for sure I won't listen to her speak like in a television interview. Just isn't much there when she speaks. It's as if thought she's saying things that people want to hear. I couldn't stand her during her right-wing Stepford wife phase.

44 The Left  Sat, Jul 24, 2010 1:18:51am

re: #43 Gus 802

+2

Forgot about the Orson Bean connection. Very accurate and compact description of Arianna. While I might look to HuffPo for news that's it. OK, I'll also check out the occasional Jon Stewart video. I know one thing's for sure I won't listen to her speak like in a television interview. Just isn't much there when she speaks. It's as if thought she's saying things that people want to hear. I couldn't stand her during her right-wing Stepford wife phase.

Sometimes HuffPo does have good stuff--Frank Schaeffer I think has had a few posts there, a few other people. But I find that usually the stuff there that I want to read is also available elsewhere. Basically i go there when: something pops up on memeorandum (like Schaeffer, etc) or if I want pictures of Bo Obama.

I like puppies.

45 Gus  Sat, Jul 24, 2010 1:19:00am

re: #42 Slumbering Behemoth

Yeah. That is quite a lofty goal. As much as I've criticized HuffPo tonight, and they do have problems, Big Government isn't even close to being like HuffPo. Big Government is more like a collection of who's who internet wingnut bloggers sprinkled with a few B-list or below Hollywood has-beens writing editorials. Not even close. It's a different animal.

46 Gus  Sat, Jul 24, 2010 1:20:47am

You ever notice how everyone seems to have their pants on fire when they write something for Big Government?

47 The Left  Sat, Jul 24, 2010 1:21:44am

Oh HuffPo also had the good iranian coverage, didn't it? Nico Pitney or whoever?
The signal to noise ratio there is awful though. And it really bugs me to see all these top stories or sidebars about who's getting what plastic surgery or whatever. Visiting there for anything even something good always feels like reading a trash tabloid. Bleargh.

48 Gus  Sat, Jul 24, 2010 1:25:14am

re: #47 iceweasel

Oh HuffPo also had the good iranian coverage, didn't it? Nico Pitney or whoever?
The signal to noise ratio there is awful though. And it really bugs me to see all these top stories or sidebars about who's getting what plastic surgery or whatever. Visiting there for anything even something good always feels like reading a trash tabloid. Bleargh.

OK you made me look! Here's Arianna commenting on the now sidelined energy bill:

"But Lawrence, you know perfectly well, as a student of history, you never have the votes for anything major," Arianna replied. "That's what Lyndon Johnson told Martin Luther King in March 1965 when they met about the Voting Rights Act, and Martin Luther King went out and the Selma March happened, and suddenly a few months later when had the votes."

See, just like the Voting Rights Act. All you have to do is wait and like magic the votes are there!

What's up with the grammar here: and suddenly a few months later when had the votes.

49 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Jul 24, 2010 1:29:15am

re: #45 Gus 802

I measure all blogs by LGF. When HuffPo has to preemptively close comments on threads about any (R) who has health problems, or has died, it is obvious there is a serious problem with their readership, and they know it.

At least they take that step, though. Other sites can't even bother to see the sliver in their own eye, and do nothing to police the hideous comments that abound in such stories.

I give big props to Charles and the Monitor Lizards here for keeping this place civil in that regard, and I endeavor to honor such as a guest here.

50 boxhead  Sat, Jul 24, 2010 1:32:22am

re: #7 aurelius

Breitbart is scum.

For him to make a public, vocal, smearing accusation of racism based on out of context, non-representative snippets...

I'm sorry, that's the lowest of the low.

Anyone who does that should fry in the ninth circle of hell.

So what will it take for him to pay the consequences of his actions? Isn't what he did open and shut libel?

51 Gus  Sat, Jul 24, 2010 1:34:53am

re: #49 Slumbering Behemoth

I measure all blogs by LGF. When HuffPo has to preemptively close comments on threads about any (R) who has health problems, or has died, it is obvious there is a serious problem with their readership, and they know it.

At least they take that step, though. Other sites can't even bother to see the sliver in their own eye, and do nothing to police the hideous comments that abound in such stories.

I give big props to Charles and the Monitor Lizards here for keeping this place civil in that regard, and I endeavor to honor such as a guest here.

True, at least they have the decency to shut down the comments when it gets bad.

It's funny reading site like HuffPo in how it's hard not to notice how much a lot of them hate Christopher Hitchens. Some of them get so worked up that they start to sound like thumpers. It's like he's this giant hydra-headed monster because he supported the Iraq war.

They ascribe too much credit for the reason we went to war in Iraq with Hitchens. They even do the same with the "war-bloggers." Let's face it. We would have gone to war in Iraq without Hitchens, the war bloggers, etc. They were a mere blip in the political landscape and had not affect in foreign policy at all. Zero. Zilch.

52 boxhead  Sat, Jul 24, 2010 1:34:54am

re: #47 iceweasel

Oh HuffPo also had the good iranian coverage, didn't it? Nico Pitney or whoever?
The signal to noise ratio there is awful though. And it really bugs me to see all these top stories or sidebars about who's getting what plastic surgery or whatever. Visiting there for anything even something good always feels like reading a trash tabloid. Bleargh.

I guess I am busted.... in a way. I used to go to Huff for news, but I find I click more on the tabloid stuff... yarrrrr

53 The Left  Sat, Jul 24, 2010 1:36:08am

re: #49 Slumbering Behemoth

I measure all blogs by LGF. When HuffPo has to preemptively close comments on threads about any (R) who has health problems, or has died, it is obvious there is a serious problem with their readership, and they know it.

At least they take that step, though. Other sites can't even bother to see the sliver in their own eye, and do nothing to police the hideous comments that abound in such stories.

I give big props to Charles and the Monitor Lizards here for keeping this place civil in that regard, and I endeavor to honor such as a guest here.

I don't even think they bother to moderate much at all, do they? The few times i peeked at a comment thread it all looked like youtube comments, and we know what that means.

Someone here said once that there were some good comments. Even if there were I don't think I could ever hang out there with the other bullshit they peddle. Too tabloidy, antscience, etc.

54 Gus  Sat, Jul 24, 2010 1:37:12am

re: #52 boxhead

I guess I am busted... in a way. I used to go to Huff for news, but I find I click more on the tabloid stuff... yarrr

I still go over there. I stick with the center column. Never have clicked on anything in the left column which is their commentary and rarely on the right which is their "Kim Kardashian goes shopping" column. Stick with the center column and it's usually something they hijacked from the AP anyway.

55 Gus  Sat, Jul 24, 2010 1:38:30am

And I've read zero about Mel Gibson and never heard those audio tapes. Don't care.

56 boxhead  Sat, Jul 24, 2010 1:38:51am

re: #54 Gus 802

I still go over there. I stick with the center column. Never have clicked on anything in the left column which is their commentary and rarely on the right which is their "Kim Kardashian goes shopping" column. Stick with the center column and it's usually something they hijacked from the AP anyway.

But the right column has the bikini pix!!!

//

57 Gus  Sat, Jul 24, 2010 1:40:21am

re: #56 boxhead

But the right column has the bikini pix!!!

//

Josh Marshall goes to rehab!

Who's Josh Marshall? Some name I made up. They all have names like that these days.

You know who else is like that? The ABC News website.

58 Gus  Sat, Jul 24, 2010 1:42:41am

Most popular on ABC News:

Landis: 'I Saw Lance Armstrong Using Drugs'
Medical Mystery or Hoax: Did Cheerleader Fake Muscle Disorder?
Clinton Wedding Price Tag: $2 Million
WATCH: Nightline Exclusive: Floyd Landis
WATCH: Is Cheerleader's Medical Mystery Real?
WATCH: Jessi Slaughter's Cyber Bullying Nightmare
PHOTOS: What Actor Secretly Got Married?
PHOTOS: Angelina Jolie Through the Years
PHOTOS: Paltrow Reveals Bout with Depression

Don't care, don't care, don't care. Amazing isn't it? That garbage is the most popular for ABC News readers.

59 The Left  Sat, Jul 24, 2010 1:43:15am

re: #57 Gus 802

Josh Marshall goes to rehab!

Who's Josh Marshall? Some name I made up. They all have names like that these days.

You know who else is like that? The ABC News website.

haha-- Josh Marshall is the founder of TPM! heh. UnCoNsCiOuS BiAs!1!

yeah, the abc newsite, gah. And Jake tapper. Feh.

60 boxhead  Sat, Jul 24, 2010 1:43:27am

re: #57 Gus 802

Josh Marshall goes to rehab!

Who's Josh Marshall? Some name I made up. They all have names like that these days.

You know who else is like that? The ABC News website.

LOL, I find very few names I actually recognize in the right column. I did read and article by Willie Nelson about Shirley Sherrod today. He had nothing but good things to say about her. Don't recall which column.

61 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Jul 24, 2010 1:46:41am

re: #51 Gus 802

Supported the war in Iraq, and has openly stated that had he been a citizen at the time, would have voted for Bush over Kerry.

He is his own man, and I respect the hell out of him for that. I agree with a large part of what he has to say, and will not piss on his entire works for the little parts I don't agree with.

Unfortunately there are those I dub "100%'ers". "You are either with us all the way or not all", who refuse to countenance any differentiating point of view on any subject. Folks who might otherwise agree with one person's philosophy, but reject it entirely due to disagreement on one minor subject or another. Animal Farm Ideologues.

62 Gus  Sat, Jul 24, 2010 1:46:50am

re: #59 iceweasel

haha-- Josh Marshall is the founder of TPM! heh. UnCoNsCiOuS BiAs!1!

yeah, the abc newsite, gah. And Jake tapper. Feh.

Who's Josh Miller? //

Jake Tapper could never make up his mind. Their commenting format and moderation sucks. Out of ABC, CBS, and NBC the CBS News website is the best for the time being. I look around though. New York Times. LA Times. Bloomberg. CNN is OK.

63 boxhead  Sat, Jul 24, 2010 1:50:26am

re: #43 Gus 802

I do like Ariana and others in the NPR program, Left, Right and Center. Different views in a civilized discussion.

[Link: www.kcrw.com...]

64 Gus  Sat, Jul 24, 2010 1:51:20am

re: #61 Slumbering Behemoth

Supported the war in Iraq, and has openly stated that had he been a citizen at the time, would have voted for Bush over Kerry.

He is his own man, and I respect the hell out of him for that. I agree with a large part of what he has to say, and will not piss on his entire works for the little parts I don't agree with.

Unfortunately there are those I dub "100%'ers". "You are either with us all the way or not all", who refuse to countenance any differentiating point of view on any subject. Folks who might otherwise agree with one person's philosophy, but reject it entirely due to disagreement on one minor subject or another. Animal Farm Ideologues.

I've been chumming it up with someone over at the store I go frequently. He's an atheist, liberal, and so on. We agree on a lot of things and I'm always updating him on what's going on with the Tea Party or who said what like Sharron Angle. So, the other day when I told him I voted for Bush in 2004 it reminded me of when I told a Christian acquaintance that I was an atheist. He was like "wha'?" but he didn't shut the door. I never hope we get to a point were everybody votes for the same candidate -- i.e. 100 percenters.

65 The Left  Sat, Jul 24, 2010 1:52:05am

re: #61 Slumbering Behemoth

Supported the war in Iraq, and has openly stated that had he been a citizen at the time, would have voted for Bush over Kerry.

He is his own man, and I respect the hell out of him for that. I agree with a large part of what he has to say, and will not piss on his entire works for the little parts I don't agree with.

Unfortunately there are those I dub "100%'ers". "You are either with us all the way or not all", who refuse to countenance any differentiating point of view on any subject. Folks who might otherwise agree with one person's philosophy, but reject it entirely due to disagreement on one minor subject or another. Animal Farm Ideologues.

Also, gotta give Hitch this too: he was one of the few who said he would undergo waterboarding who actually did-- and he changed his mind and wrote admitting that he was wrong and it is torture. That took some nerve.

66 harlequinade  Sat, Jul 24, 2010 1:53:48am

re: #63 boxhead

I'm just listening to the podcast. Tony still makes me yell at my computer.

Love that show. But NPR's On Point, I think, does a better news round-up

67 Gus  Sat, Jul 24, 2010 1:55:09am

re: #61 Slumbering Behemoth

Supported the war in Iraq, and has openly stated that had he been a citizen at the time, would have voted for Bush over Kerry.

He is his own man, and I respect the hell out of him for that. I agree with a large part of what he has to say, and will not piss on his entire works for the little parts I don't agree with.

Unfortunately there are those I dub "100%'ers". "You are either with us all the way or not all", who refuse to countenance any differentiating point of view on any subject. Folks who might otherwise agree with one person's philosophy, but reject it entirely due to disagreement on one minor subject or another. Animal Farm Ideologues.

Plus I forgot to mention something. I remember going through the old "you voted for who?" routine in the 80s with Reagan. A lot of liberal Democrats voted for Reagan the first time around so I sort of got used to the idea that people will flip around.

68 boxhead  Sat, Jul 24, 2010 2:00:13am

re: #66 harlequinade

I'm just listening to the podcast. Tony still makes me yell at my computer.

Love that show. But NPR's On Point, I think, does a better news round-up

I found Tony very reasonable when he first joined. But when the GOP started doing group think, I was disappointed to see him follow. Lord I miss Buckley!

69 Gus  Sat, Jul 24, 2010 2:00:37am

re: #65 iceweasel

Also, gotta give Hitch this too: he was one of the few who said he would undergo waterboarding who actually did-- and he changed his mind and wrote admitting that he was wrong and it is torture. That took some nerve.

Which of course got him into trouble with the "but you have to think waterboarding is OK" crowd.

Goodnight Ice.

70 Gus  Sat, Jul 24, 2010 2:03:03am

re: #68 boxhead

I found Tony very reasonable when he first joined. But when the GOP started doing group think, I was disappointed to see him follow. Lord I miss Buckley!

McLaughlin was cool because sometimes he would say things you wouldn't expect. He we pretty open minded. Never thought much of Blankley.

71 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Jul 24, 2010 2:05:11am

re: #53 iceweasel

I don't even think they bother to moderate much at all, do they?

HuffPo? No, that is why when they post stories about republicans having health problems or dying they keep those threads closed to comments. There is a real problem with their readership.

And there is little difference between them and right-wing blogs, with the exception that some of the more prominent R-W blogs do little to nothing to see the beam in their own eye, and allow horrible comments to stand when it comes to democrats having health problems or dying. At least HuffPo recognizes the beam in their own eye in this regard.

Which is why I dig LGF so much. Our host makes it clear that he will not tolerate such garbage here, and regardless of my own personal feelings on one subject or another, I highly respect the standards in place here.

72 harlequinade  Sat, Jul 24, 2010 2:05:38am

I have to agree. He does seem to just trot out the talking points and then argue them as truth.

73 boxhead  Sat, Jul 24, 2010 2:06:13am

re: #70 Gus 802

McLaughlin was cool because sometimes he would say things you wouldn't expect. He we pretty open minded. Never thought much of Blankley.

McLaughlin reminds me of the movie Dave when The McLaughlin Group would talk about Kevin Klein character pretending to be Pres.... fun movie.

But other than that, I have not watched his show much. Something about Sunday mornings and me sleeping... :)

74 Gus  Sat, Jul 24, 2010 2:08:23am

re: #73 boxhead

McLaughlin reminds me of the movie Dave when The McLaughlin Group would talk about Kevin Klein character pretending to be Pres... fun movie.

But other than that, I have not watched his show much. Something about Sunday mornings and me sleeping... :)

Is that when it's on now? Used to be on weekdays after 6 PM or so. Haven't watched it in ages.

75 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Jul 24, 2010 2:09:50am

re: #64 Gus 802

One Hundred Percenters. Just as foolhardy and self-destructive as the One Percenters, but in a different way.

76 boxhead  Sat, Jul 24, 2010 2:10:16am

re: #74 Gus 802

Is that when it's on now? Used to be on weekdays after 6 PM or so. Haven't watched it in ages.

ack you got me... I thought all those shows were Sunday morning....

77 boxhead  Sat, Jul 24, 2010 2:11:21am

re: #75 Slumbering Behemoth

One Hundred Percenters. Just as foolhardy and self-destructive as The One Percenters, but in a different way.

The One as is Mr. Anderson? AKA Neo?

//

78 Gus  Sat, Jul 24, 2010 2:12:42am

re: #76 boxhead

ack you got me... I thought all those shows were Sunday morning...

Maybe it was once a week. I do remember it being in the evenings. No biggie.

79 Gus  Sat, Jul 24, 2010 2:16:54am

re: #75 Slumbering Behemoth

One Hundred Percenters. Just as foolhardy and self-destructive as the One Percenters, but in a different way.

Don't think I was ever a 100 percenter. You can't even tell people like that you like Bob Hope. Or on the flip side that you like Tim Robbins. I remember falling into that trap with Bob Hope. "You like Bob Hope??!!11ty"

80 boxhead  Sat, Jul 24, 2010 2:17:29am

re: #78 Gus 802

Maybe it was once a week. I do remember it being in the evenings. No biggie.

according to their web site, in SoCal it is on Sat on PBS 28. not so popular I guess.

81 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Jul 24, 2010 2:17:32am

re: #77 boxhead

1%er, referring to a type of street garbage thug.

There are many, and not all ride.

82 boxhead  Sat, Jul 24, 2010 2:18:51am

re: #81 Slumbering Behemoth

1%er, referring to a type of street garbage thug.

There are many, and not all ride.

ahh, never heard of them, but I was just making a lame joke.. :)

83 boxhead  Sat, Jul 24, 2010 2:21:20am

I am going to post this again cause I want to get your opinions...


So what will it take for Breibart to pay the consequences of his actions? Isn't what he did open and shut libel?

84 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Jul 24, 2010 2:21:26am

re: #79 Gus 802

Heh. What's to hate about Hope? Though the films were way before my time, I still totally dig the Hope and Bing "Road to..." films. Classic stuff.

85 Gus  Sat, Jul 24, 2010 2:22:00am

re: #81 Slumbering Behemoth

1%er, referring to a type of street garbage thug.

There are many, and not all ride.

3 percenters? Either way those 3 percent have their very own 100 percent restrictions.

86 boxhead  Sat, Jul 24, 2010 2:22:55am

re: #84 Slumbering Behemoth

Heh. What's to hate about Hope? Though the films were way before my time, I still totally dig the Hope and Bing "Road to..." films. Classic stuff.

Plus what Hope did for the troops via the USO. Good stuff!

87 Gus  Sat, Jul 24, 2010 2:23:05am

re: #84 Slumbering Behemoth

Heh. What's to hate about Hope? Though the films were way before my time, I still totally dig the Hope and Bing "Road to..." films. Classic stuff.

Oh you know. He was a Republican. He was in the USO supporting the Vietnam war. Same old stuff from the old days.

88 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Jul 24, 2010 2:23:19am

re: #82 boxhead

ahh, never heard of them, but I was just making a lame joke.. :)

Watch your step, son. Your encroaching on my territory.
;)

89 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Jul 24, 2010 2:27:43am

re: #87 Gus 802

Oh you know. He was a Republican. He was in the USO supporting the Vietnam war. Same old stuff from the old days.

Meh. In that time the Reps favored the Civil Rights movement, while the Dems were opposed to it. Things change, people change, political parties change.

A Rep or Dem from that time would be completely unrecognizable by the same parties today. 'Tis why I am not a party-line voter.

90 boxhead  Sat, Jul 24, 2010 2:28:01am

re: #87 Gus 802

Oh you know. He was a Republican. He was in the USO supporting the Vietnam war. Same old stuff from the old days.

I would rephrase that as he supported the troops. Well in honesty I don't know what he thought about the politics of the war. He did love and volunteer for our men and women in service.

91 boxhead  Sat, Jul 24, 2010 2:28:49am

re: #88 Slumbering Behemoth

Watch your step, son. Your encroaching on my territory.
;)

ooff.... I am silly with lame jokes in the wee hours! lol

92 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Jul 24, 2010 2:32:34am

re: #91 boxhead

I'm eyeballin' you, son. "Lame jokes" is my corner of the block. You better watch where you stick your toes fool!

/obviously joking

93 boxhead  Sat, Jul 24, 2010 2:37:14am

re: #92 Slumbering Behemoth

I'm eyeballin' you, son. "Lame jokes" is my corner of the block. You better watch where you stick your toes fool!

/obviously joking

heh... I used to have this list of really bad puns. I loved it, and folks hated that I had the list... arrrr, the perils of cleaning up old files!

too bad text is a poor media for telling really bad jokes well... :) or, lucky for y'all... heheh

94 steve_davis  Sat, Jul 24, 2010 2:40:44am

I doubt very much that Breitbart will be punished for his audacity. Is there any charlatan of whatever vile stripe who has ever actually lost a cable slot because of the nastiness of their views? Pat Buchanan has been giving nasty commentary for as long as I can remember, and rather than being punished for it, he's the go-to conservative for MSNBC. CNN routinely brings in "objective" commentary from a guy who was fired from a White House gig because he couldn't keep other people's feet out of his mouth, and yet no mention is ever made of how Dick Morris might have an unobjective axe to grind when it comes to analyzing anything Clinton-related.

95 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Jul 24, 2010 2:41:39am

re: #93 boxhead

Oh Boxy, if you have a text file full of puns, keep it at the ready. Pun threads break out here in the oddest ways, and on the oddest occasions.

Pro tip: most of the pun threads here either involve fish/fishing or trees. I don't know why, it makes no sense. I just roll with it.

96 Gus  Sat, Jul 24, 2010 2:42:04am

Good night/morning.

97 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Jul 24, 2010 2:44:31am

re: #96 Gus 802

I too am out. Laters all.

98 boxhead  Sat, Jul 24, 2010 2:45:01am

nite Slumber and Gus!

99 boxhead  Sat, Jul 24, 2010 2:46:38am

re: #94 steve_davis

But isn't what he did constitute the legal definition of libel?

100 boxhead  Sat, Jul 24, 2010 2:54:32am

dang... killed another thread... :(

101 harlequinade  Sat, Jul 24, 2010 2:57:17am

I'm about to sit down for Brunch but... isn't there the O'Riely defense? That, as long as he says "I think this is true" then it's not knowingly peddling lies.

Which, then, comes back to his "source."

I'd love to see the scum tried in the UK and see him bankrupted for what he did. But I have no idea if it stands up in court. I know it's been discussed a few times over the past few days. Was there a resolution?

And I'll take my answer off the air

/om nom nom nom

102 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sat, Jul 24, 2010 5:40:36am
The only good thing to come out of this debacle is that Andrew Breitbart’s credibility has completely evaporated, and it’s unlikely that he’ll be able to destroy another innocent person’s life — because nobody is going to take a Breitbart “scoop” at face value again.

Optimism is sooooo cute!

103 jockuly  Sat, Jul 24, 2010 6:02:48am

What will Breitbart call his new Web site all about himself -- Big Imbecile?

104 mr.fusion  Sat, Jul 24, 2010 8:17:01am

re: #102 negativ

It'll be interesting to see won't it? When the next race baiting outrageous outrage comes along, how will the public respond?

I really think the only reason this one blew up in their face is bc it was debunked so damn quickly.....basically overnight. ACORN took a few months of investigations to debunk, "climategate" the same thing.......Fox and Breitbart will learn from this mistake and make sure this stuff can't be so easily debunked so quickly next time


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