CO Tea Party Candidate: ‘Tell Those Tea Party Dumbasses to Stop Asking About Birth Certificates When I’m On Camera’

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Ken Buck, the Colorado Tea Party candidate for the US Senate, thinks the Tea Partiers are “dumbasses.”

Of course, he didn’t say that in public. He was caught on tape by a Democratic Party worker in an unguarded moment. In other words, when he was telling the truth.

KUSA - U.S. Senate candidate Ken Buck refers to members of the Tea Party who question the President’s citizenship as “dumbasses” in an audio recording obtained by 9NEWS and The Denver Post.

The Colorado Republican candidate’s voice was captured on a pocket tape recorder without his knowledge by a Colorado Democratic Party worker in a parking lot before a June event in Crowley County.

He had just come from an event in Pueblo where there was a reference to whether President Obama was an American citizen. The comment apparently comes without provocation from the Democratic Party worker, who has been following and videotaping Buck all over the state of Colorado for months.

“Will you tell those dumbasses at the Tea Party to stop asking questions about birth certificates while I’m on the camera,” Buck said to the worker while laughing. “God, what am I supposed to do?”

And now Buck is backpedaling pathetically.

Asked about the comments on Sunday at a political rally in Adams County, Buck said he wishes he had used different language and that he had not lumped all Tea Party members into one statement, but that he remains frustrated that some people are focusing on birth certificates rather than the country’s $13 trillion debt and its $100 trillion in unfunded liabilities.

“The language is inappropriate,” he told 9NEWS and The Post. “After 16 months on the campaign trail, I was tired and frustrated that I can’t get that message through that we are going to go off a cliff if we don’t start dealing with this debt.

“It is not the Tea Party movement on the whole. The Tea Party movement gets it. It’s the Constitution, it’s the debt, it’s the other issues, but there are a couple people that are frankly frustrating for all candidates. I mean if you talked to other candidates and they’re being honest with you, they’ll say I know that. Now, they may not have used my choice words, but they have the same feelings.”

Takeaway point: even the Tea Party’s own favored candidates think they’re crazy.

(Hat tip: freetoken.)

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341 comments
1 brookly red  Sun, Jul 25, 2010 9:22:32pm

we are in uncharted waters here…

2 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jul 25, 2010 9:23:19pm

Well, he did probably mean it how he says he means it: Most Tea Partiers are not Nirthers, but those who are make the rest of them look stupid. Because Nirthers are just plain stupid.

3 prairiefire  Sun, Jul 25, 2010 9:24:37pm

Man, why does he have to back pedal? Why does no one in that party have the stones to speak reason?

4 b_sharp  Sun, Jul 25, 2010 9:25:22pm

Did he check with Orly Taitz before he made that comment? She’s gonna be pissed.

She’ll sue his ass off.

5 jeremy0114  Sun, Jul 25, 2010 9:25:43pm

re: #3 prairiefire

same reason they all backpedal… with all elections swinging on 2-5% of the electorate, every vote counts…

6 brookly red  Sun, Jul 25, 2010 9:25:48pm

re: #2 Dark_Falcon

Well, he did probably mean it how he says he means it: Most Tea Partiers are not Nirthers, but those who are make the rest of them look stupid. Because Nirthers are just plain stupid.

Wow, politicians actually worrying about being held accountable… this is good all around.

7 theheat  Sun, Jul 25, 2010 9:26:44pm
but there are a couple people that are frankly frustrating for all candidates.

Uh, more than a couple. And the Tea Party crazy isn’t only about birth certificates…

8 Virginia Plain  Sun, Jul 25, 2010 9:28:36pm

Michael Bennet is getting my vote instead of Jane Norton or Ken Buck, whoever is chosen. The GOP can go to hell.

9 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jul 25, 2010 9:28:45pm

Notice: his real complaint is that these dumbasses asked Birther questions while he was on camera.

10 b_sharp  Sun, Jul 25, 2010 9:28:50pm

The birther movement should have been aborted long ago.

11 brookly red  Sun, Jul 25, 2010 9:29:28pm

the whole shit facade is crumbling before our eyes… I love it.

12 jeremy0114  Sun, Jul 25, 2010 9:30:09pm

re: #9 Charles

Cant really call them dumasses on camera huh! Too bad, as he should… nirthers are annoying…

13 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jul 25, 2010 9:30:29pm

Smart move Buck… most of the Colorado conservative candidates are looking like fools right now… so you had to join the party.

14 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jul 25, 2010 9:30:42pm

re: #6 brookly red

Wow, politicians actually worrying about being held accountable… this is good all around.

Not really. When a politician has trouble criticizing this level of crazy, it means his base is seriously messed up.

15 SpaceJesus  Sun, Jul 25, 2010 9:31:26pm

way to offend the elderly republican chain e-mail sending demographic, ken

16 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jul 25, 2010 9:31:52pm

re: #14 Dark_Falcon

Not really. When a politician has trouble criticizing this level of crazy, it means his base is seriously messed up.

Eggs-ackly.

17 brookly red  Sun, Jul 25, 2010 9:32:07pm

re: #14 Dark_Falcon

Not really. When a politician has trouble criticizing this level of crazy, it means his base is seriously messed up.

well true that but they are supposed to represent…

18 Gus  Sun, Jul 25, 2010 9:32:12pm

The Colorado GOP has two political side shows going on now.

Ken Buck, Jane Norton and the Tea Party for the Senate nomination.

Then we have Scott McInnis, Dan Maes and Tom Tancredo side show.

At the same time Scott McInnis has a little show of his own.

19 jeremy0114  Sun, Jul 25, 2010 9:34:17pm

re: #15 SpaceJesus

Now thats funny… no one should have EVER given my grandmother a computer!!

20 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jul 25, 2010 9:34:35pm

A quick OT, if I may, before I leave for the evening.

The pages, and the “featured” and “most recent” lists - wow. There is just so much to read. Most folks seem to be doing a really good job finding things to post about -

These Pages really take LGF to a whole new level, much better IMO than the old spin-off links, and those were great when they first showed up.

Anyhow - Thanks Charles, for the Pages feature. And thanks to all who contribute so much extra in those pages.

21 austin_blue  Sun, Jul 25, 2010 9:35:06pm

You hang with birthers, truthers, and Paulists, and *now* you’re frustrated by the innate opacity and stupidity?

Really?

Really?!?!?!?!?

22 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jul 25, 2010 9:35:07pm

re: #17 brookly red

well true that but they are supposed to represent…

A crazy person doesn’t need representation, they need psychiatric care.

23 brookly red  Sun, Jul 25, 2010 9:35:10pm

well I guess we will all see in November won’t we?

good night good folks.

24 austin_blue  Sun, Jul 25, 2010 9:36:15pm

re: #23 brookly red

well I guess we will all see in November won’t we?

good night good folks.

Night BR. Sleep well.

25 theheat  Sun, Jul 25, 2010 9:36:15pm

re: #19 jeremy0114

And all GOP chain mail computers should have Comic Sans removed, and the ability to center, embiggen, and colorize fonts, by default.

26 prairiefire  Sun, Jul 25, 2010 9:36:57pm

re: #13 Walter L. Newton

Walter, I’m still thinking about McInnes’s plagiarism. Are the paper still talking about it? I liked the reporting in the Denver Post quite a bit. Well rounded editorial and reporting.

27 jeremy0114  Sun, Jul 25, 2010 9:39:17pm

re: #25 theheat

actually im gonna go on a limb and say ALL political chain mail computers… its pretty much all crap anymore…

28 prairiefire  Sun, Jul 25, 2010 9:41:24pm

re: #27 jeremy0114

I hope that little guy in your avatar was not flying the plane.

29 b_sharp  Sun, Jul 25, 2010 9:44:43pm

re: #28 prairiefire

I hope that little guy in your avatar was not flying the plane.

He is the instructor.

30 jeremy0114  Sun, Jul 25, 2010 9:45:40pm

re: #29 b_sharp

re: #28 prairiefire

My son actually…

31 jeremy0114  Sun, Jul 25, 2010 9:48:27pm

And for what its worth at 4 years old, he’s pretty good with the plane…

32 b_sharp  Sun, Jul 25, 2010 9:48:55pm

re: #30 jeremy0114

re: #28 prairiefire

My son actually…

So he’s not ballast then? Good.

33 b_sharp  Sun, Jul 25, 2010 9:50:14pm

I’m heading off to bed, but before I do, I’ll leave you this bit of wisdom:

Always take a politician with you in a hot air balloon.

34 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Jul 25, 2010 9:53:58pm

I literally laughed out loud when I read that headline

35 prairiefire  Sun, Jul 25, 2010 9:54:09pm

re: #30 jeremy0114

Very sweet.
Happiness is hearing your little son snicker while he reads “SGT Frog” to himself.
Night, lizards.

36 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Jul 25, 2010 9:55:16pm

re: #9 Charles

Notice: his real complaint is that these dumbasses asked Birther questions while he was on camera.

yeah, heaven help one of these guys pushes back against the birther bullshit publicly!

That would like, require integrity and honesty and stuff, can’t have that

37 Nimed  Sun, Jul 25, 2010 9:58:40pm

In the specific case of birtherism, I (slightly) prefer a cynical candidate like Buck than a true believer.

38 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jul 25, 2010 9:59:55pm

Here’s a Shirley Sherrod story written be a conservative that is actually accurate and fair:

Shirley Sherrod and American Progress By Rich Lowry

Money section:

Amid all this change, racial attitudes softened and personal barriers came down. It’s why the story Shirley Sherrod told at the NAACP conference was a heartening one, contrary to the distorted impression created after conservative activist Andrew Breitbart released a videotape without crucial context. Working at a rural nonprofit, Sherrod initially turned away a desperate white farmer on racial grounds before realizing that was wrong.

It was a tiny morality tale that could stand for an epoch of racial progress in the South. Despite all our charges and countercharges of racism, we live in a country that L. Warren Johnson wouldn’t recognize.

39 Max  Sun, Jul 25, 2010 10:03:55pm

Wow! Pajamas Media wingnut, Alfonzo Rachel is actually defending Breitbart’s deceptive, despicable smear against Shirley Sherrod. And he actually says that the video, even though it was edited and taken out of context proves she is a racist.

40 Ryan King  Sun, Jul 25, 2010 10:09:12pm

re: #3 prairiefire

Man, why does he have to back pedal? Why does no one in that party have the stones to speak reason?

In the GOP, reason is Treason.

Quick to judge, quick to anger,
slow to understand

41 austin_blue  Sun, Jul 25, 2010 10:23:34pm

Night all. Back tuesday. Busy bee tomorrow.

42 swamprat  Sun, Jul 25, 2010 10:25:15pm

re: #39 Max D. Reinhardt

Wow! Pajamas Media wingnut, Alfonzo Rachel is actually defending Breitbart’s deceptive, despicable smear against Shirley Sherrod. And he actually says that the video, even though it was edited and taken out of context proves she is a racist.

I despise what is happening to the right. They take a story about self- discovery and personal redemption and they have spun it into the ugliest tale ever told, while blaming Obama, the NAACP, and the entire left. It is sickening. I swear to god, I have never seen so much partisan pandering, as I have seen in the last years. I thought the left had lost it when Bush was president, but the republicans have built dragster of wingnut idiocy, and they are running through the gears!

You would think these morons would understand that they are burning bridges;
I’m going to stop before I piss off both sides, but it will be a long time before I trust either group.

And for the record, I don’t think BratBart is a racist; rather I think he would eat steamy bowl of skunk soup, while promoting a treaty with Mars,… If it would further his agenda.

43 austin_blue  Sun, Jul 25, 2010 10:33:01pm

re: #42 swamprat

I despise what is happening to the right. They take a story about self- discovery and personal redemption and they have spun it into the ugliest tale ever told, while blaming Obama, the NAACP, and the entire left. It is sickening. I swear to god, I have never seen so much partisan pandering, as I have seen in the last years. I thought the left had lost it when Bush was president, but the republicans have built dragster of wingnut idiocy, and they are running through the gears!

You would think these morons would understand that they are burning bridges;
I’m going to stop before I piss off both sides, but it will be a long time before I trust either group.

And for the record, I don’t think BratBart is a racist; rather I think he would eat steamy bowl of skunk soup, while promoting a treaty with Mars,… If it would further his agenda.

Well, then you believe he is just a whore. Fancy that.

44 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Jul 25, 2010 10:34:32pm

re: #42 swamprat

I think he’s worse than a racist, I think he would be perfectly happy inflaming authentic emotionally invested racists to violence in this country to further his agenda. He knows what racism is, he knows what it can do. He really doesn’t care who he destroys or whose life he ruins to do it. Breitbart isn’t the rank and file Klansman, he’s the guy telling those guys what to think and laughing all the way to the bank.

it’s like those evangelicals going to Uganda to advocate for the imprisinmount and execution of queers. Is it because THEY would kill gay people in America? Of course not. These are power brokers, these are manipulators. They just know their mentally ill constituents hate gays, so they’ll just dutifully harness the hate for power and profit. If tomorrrow their constituents hate the color green, then suddenly that’s the latest sermon.

And then they’ll cloak it all in America and fighting back against terrorists and whatever focus tested drivel slogan their favorite think tanks come up with.

45 MJ  Sun, Jul 25, 2010 10:40:48pm

Oliver Stone on “the Jewish domination of the media”

hurryupharry.org

The 10-part documentary [which Stone is planning] will address Stalin and Hitler “in context”, he says. “Hitler was a Frankenstein but there was also a Dr Frankenstein. German industrialists, the Americans and the British. He had a lot of support.”

He also seeks to put his atrocities in proportion: “Hitler did far more damage to the Russians than the Jewish people, 25 or 30m.”

Why such a focus on the Holocaust then? “The Jewish domination of the media,” he says. “There’s a major lobby in the United States. They are hard workers. They stay on top of every comment, the most powerful lobby in Washington. Israel has f***** up United States foreign policy for years.”

normblog.typepad.com

46 swamprat  Sun, Jul 25, 2010 10:41:30pm

re: #43 austin_blue

Well, then you believe he is just a whore. Fancy that.

I didn’t say that. I’m just saying that the Republicans have the sheep tethered to the doorknob and are putting on the Little-Bo-Peep costume.

47 teleskiguy  Sun, Jul 25, 2010 10:45:10pm
Takeaway point: even the Tea Party’s own favored candidates think they’re crazy.

I agree wholeheartedly. As a Colorado voter, I’m glad to hear this news. The teabag candidate for U.S. Senate from my state has told these nirther wackjobs to buzz off! This is good news indeed!

48 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jul 25, 2010 11:04:48pm

Goodnight, all.

49 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Sun, Jul 25, 2010 11:12:13pm

The Tea Party is attracting record numbers of charlatans, I bet. It’s so easy; you don’t have to have a record to be a leader in the Tea Party. It’s probably better if you don’t— then you’re not an ‘insider’. You just have to adhere rock-solid to the ideology.

50 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Jul 25, 2010 11:20:46pm

re: #9 Charles

Notice: his real complaint is that these dumbasses asked Birther questions while he was on camera.

That’s so, but I have to say, I sympathize with his complaint. You’re up there trying to talk about debt and taxes, and here comes another Nirther, wanting to talk about the president’s freaking birth certificate…

51 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Jul 25, 2010 11:22:54pm

re: #14 Dark_Falcon

Not really. When a politician has trouble criticizing this level of crazy, it means his base is seriously messed up.

I think it takes some of them by surprise. Remember McCain dealing with the ‘he’s an Arab’ lady?

There’s a scene in _Sammy’s Hill_, where the main character, an aide to a Senator, is watching her boss talk to a constituent who’s worried that illegal aliens will try to kill off the human race. At some point, both of them realize that he’s talking about aliens from outer space…

…there’s a certain degree of craziness that no one is really ever prepared for.

52 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Jul 25, 2010 11:23:28pm

re: #15 SpaceJesus

way to offend the elderly republican chain e-mail sending demographic, ken

Crap. My MIL may only be in her fifties, but I expect the e-mail any minute now…

53 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Jul 25, 2010 11:24:27pm

re: #19 jeremy0114

Now thats funny… no one should have EVER given my grandmother a computer!!

My grandmother and her sisters are left-leaning, but ditto. Once they learned that you could create e-mail mailing lists of all your representatives, it got ugly real fast.

54 The War TARDIS  Sun, Jul 25, 2010 11:30:22pm

re: #52 SanFranciscoZionist

I have the same issue. Grandmother sends visciously anti-Muslim emails to me. I become hurt (at OU, many if not most of my friends are Muslims, so this hurts alot), I have to explain things to her, wait two weeks, rinse and repeat.

55 Nimed  Sun, Jul 25, 2010 11:31:03pm

re: #45 MJ

Oliver Stone on “the Jewish domination of the media”

[Link: hurryupharry.org…]

[Link: normblog.typepad.com…]

I don’t get it. Really. What the hell happens to these people?

That blog seems pretty interesting, by the way.

56 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Jul 25, 2010 11:34:28pm

re: #54 ProLifeLiberal

I have the same issue. Grandmother sends visciously anti-Muslim emails to me. I become hurt (at OU, many if not most of my friends are Muslims, so this hurts alot), I have to explain things to her, wait two weeks, rinse and repeat.

My tactic has been to delete the e-mails, and then write back with a pleasant, upbeat personal message.

57 sngnsgt  Sun, Jul 25, 2010 11:38:30pm

I can’t believe people are still playing this “birther” thing. How ignernt can people be?

58 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 12:03:57am

re: #57 sngnsgt

I can’t believe people are still playing this “birther” thing. How ignernt can people be?

Very. Extremely. Awfully.

59 Gus  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 12:19:19am

Cornelis Vreeswijk - Cecilia Lind

Youtube Video

61 Gus  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 12:35:19am

re: #60 iceweasel

OT but in other news, Virginia has decided to let poor women die rather than help them obtain an abortion when their own lives are at risk.

Another step backward.

62 Gus  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 12:39:02am

re: #60 iceweasel

OT but in other news, Virginia has decided to let poor women die rather than help them obtain an abortion when their own lives are at risk.

Hi Ice! You might have missed my latest masterpiece!

Tim Blair: Aussie Wingnut

63 iceweasel  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 12:41:50am

re: #61 Gus 802

Another step backward.

Speaking of which…
The Obama Administration Takes A Page From Stupak’s Playbook

But, late in the day on July 14 (have you ever noticed that the worst announcements always come late in the day?), the Obama administration inexplicably announced that it is bringing back Stupak in the high-risk pools required by the law. These high-risk pools, which are already in effect and which will exist until 2014, will allow people with pre-existing conditions who have been denied coverage on the individual market to purchase health insurance with a federal subsidy. But, they won’t be able to access abortion coverage except in the case of rape or incest or to save the pregnant woman’s life. There’s nothing in the new Health Care Reform law that requires this restriction and it is deeply disturbing that a pro-choice administration would voluntarily impose such an anti-choice measure.

[..]

Are you angry yet? The Senate rejected Stupak. The House (finally, do-over-style) rejected Stupak. The public (that’s YOU!) overwhelmingly rejected Stupak. (Thanks!!) So why is President Obama bringing back this discredited and downright dangerous policy? Go to our Action Center and ask him.

And, while you’re at it, please let him know that while we’re relieved that this restriction ends in 2014, a lot of women are going to face unnecessary risks and burdensome costs in the next 3 1/2 years. Tell President Obama to lift this ban long before 2014 and ask him to ensure that a similar restriction is never again imposed.

WTF!
Links in there to the action alert et al if people want to join and complain. I certainly will. Bad enough that as much of a compromise was made to Stupak as was already.

64 iceweasel  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 12:42:30am

re: #62 Gus 802

Hi Ice! You might have missed my latest masterpiece!

Tim Blair: Aussie Wingnut

i did miss it! reading now. S’up Gus? ;)
I should be sleeping and I can’t.

65 iceweasel  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 12:43:48am

re: #62 Gus 802

Hi Ice! You might have missed my latest masterpiece!

Tim Blair: Aussie Wingnut

oh god that’s brilliant. Saving. This could be our official Tim Blair avatar!

66 Gus  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 12:45:44am

re: #64 iceweasel

i did miss it! reading now. S’up Gus? ;)
I should be sleeping and I can’t.

Oh, I watched another move early this morning, Prague, and went to sleep around 7 AM. Got up around 3 PM. Just watched Aberdeen. Pretty good flicks. You know, drama in the European style instead of, cough, junk.

Sleeping is over rated! Actually, since I haven’t been drinking coffee I can sleep pretty good now. I might stop drinking it altogether.

Anything new?

67 Gus  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 12:46:18am

re: #65 iceweasel

oh god that’s brilliant. Saving. This could be our official Tim Blair avatar!

I’m amassing a collection. Tim Blair’s been rather butthurt about things. I like the fact that he’s being ignored too if you know what I mean.

68 mardukhai  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 12:46:45am

re: #3 prairiefire

Man, why does he have to back pedal? Why does no one in that party have the stones to speak reason?

They don’t understand reason, that’s why they’re in the Tea Party!

‘Nough said.

69 iceweasel  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 12:59:11am

re: #66 Gus 802

Oh, I watched another move early this morning, Prague, and went to sleep around 7 AM. Got up around 3 PM. Just watched Aberdeen. Pretty good flicks. You know, drama in the European style instead of, cough, junk.

Sleeping is over rated! Actually, since I haven’t been drinking coffee I can sleep pretty good now. I might stop drinking it altogether.

Anything new?

Gah. Packing. All kinds of stuff. Stressed and wired. Tomorrow is going to be crazy!
So naturally I’m taking a break from everything to write a letter to Obama complaining about this high-risk insurance pools business at 4am.

Hmm, it’s seeming a little…angry. /

70 Gus  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 1:04:23am

re: #69 iceweasel

Gah. Packing. All kinds of stuff. Stressed and wired. Tomorrow is going to be crazy!
So naturally I’m taking a break from everything to write a letter to Obama complaining about this high-risk insurance pools business at 4am.

Hmm, it’s seeming a little…angry. /

I can imagine. But at least the stress if for a worthy goal and a new chapter in life.

Bringing back that Stupak clause is pathetic but not surprising. I remember being disappointed with Clinton on many counts most of which had to do with his genuflecting to the right. Got so bad that I stayed home in 1996. If Obama want to keep slapping his base in the face like this I hope he realizes that it may have consequences come 2012. Although I’m sure people will think otherwise when faced with the alternative. Still, it’s pretty strange.

71 iceweasel  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 1:11:06am

Done. Maybe I’ll make it a page. I also sent him a link to LGF, heh.

Dear President Obama and Secretary Sebelius:

I am deeply concerned by your recent decision to voluntarily and unnecessarily exclude abortion from the services covered in the newly-created high-risk insurance pools. Women participating in high-risk insurance pools are particularly vulnerable and may have a special need for abortion. Because of the restriction, a woman with heart disease or diabetes might be compelled to carry a pregnancy to term despite its potentially damaging effect on her future health. Or, a woman who is diagnosed with cancer and needs an abortion before she can get treatment might be forced to delay care.

Everyone’s circumstances and health care needs are different. And every woman should be able to decide what is best for her health and her family. Health care reform should improve women’s health and lives, not interfere with their ability to get the health care they need.

I am deeply troubled that a pro-choice administration would restrict abortion access and would like to know why you are reducing coverage for vulnerable women.

Especially when there is already extensive anti-choice legislation already passed in 11 states this year.
nytimes.com

Gov. Jindal has signed into law legislation requiring mandatory ultrasounds which are medically unnecessary before abortion— even in cases of rape and incest. The war to restrict women’s access to abortion continues on the state level constantly.
littlegreenfootballs.com

Just last week Virginia voted to deny Medicaid coverage of abortion to women whose lives are substantially endangered by their pregnancy.
rhrealitycheck.org

This strategy has been ongoing since the passage of Roe v Wade: if you can’t overturn it on the federal level, do everything you can on the local levels to make it meaningless — by restricting women’s ability to obtain the legally protected medical procedure which is their right— not ‘merely’ a choice.

Mr, President, I voted for you, campaigned for you, and will again. I have worked for reproductive freedom all my life. Please continue to work for me and the women of this country; the GOP never will, nor will Democrats like Bart Stupak.

Concessions to these people are never compromises. They will not stop— and neither will the women like me or those who care about women.
Sincerely,
[name, address, phone number]

72 freetoken  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 1:12:29am

Through the wonders of computers:

Youtube Video

73 freetoken  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 1:13:35am

re: #71 iceweasel

Go for it, I say.

Yet, this administration does appear to be setting the bar for “shrinking violets” when it comes to contentious issues, so don’t expect much.

74 Gus  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 1:14:13am

re: #71 iceweasel

Done. Maybe I’ll make it a page. I also sent him a link to LGF, heh.

Dear President Obama and Secretary Sebelius:

I am deeply concerned by your recent decision to voluntarily and unnecessarily exclude abortion from the services covered in the newly-created high-risk insurance pools. Women participating in high-risk insurance pools are particularly vulnerable and may have a special need for abortion. Because of the restriction, a woman with heart disease or diabetes might be compelled to carry a pregnancy to term despite its potentially damaging effect on her future health. Or, a woman who is diagnosed with cancer and needs an abortion before she can get treatment might be forced to delay care.

Everyone’s circumstances and health care needs are different. And every woman should be able to decide what is best for her health and her family. Health care reform should improve women’s health and lives, not interfere with their ability to get the health care they need.

I am deeply troubled that a pro-choice administration would restrict abortion access and would like to know why you are reducing coverage for vulnerable women.

Especially when there is already extensive anti-choice legislation already passed in 11 states this year.
[Link: www.nytimes.com…]

Gov. Jindal has signed into law legislation requiring mandatory ultrasounds which are medically unnecessary before abortion— even in cases of rape and incest. The war to restrict women’s access to abortion continues on the state level constantly.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

Just last week Virginia voted to deny Medicaid coverage of abortion to women whose lives are substantially endangered by their pregnancy.
[Link: www.rhrealitycheck.org…]

This strategy has been ongoing since the passage of Roe v Wade: if you can’t overturn it on the federal level, do everything you can on the local levels to make it meaningless — by restricting women’s ability to obtain the legally protected medical procedure which is their right— not ‘merely’ a choice.

Mr, President, I voted for you, campaigned for you, and will again. I have worked for reproductive freedom all my life. Please continue to work for me and the women of this country; the GOP never will, nor will Democrats like Bart Stupak.

Concessions to these people are never compromises. They will not stop— and neither will the women like me or those who care about women.
Sincerely,
[name, address, phone number]

Good points especially in the first paragraph. If this goes forward, in the cases you mention then an abortion will become an out of pocket expense. Given the circumstances of being hospitalized for diabetes or cancer the cost of an abortion with those pre-conditions will be well above the average cost for an abortion.

75 iceweasel  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 1:14:43am

re: #70 Gus 802

I can imagine. But at least the stress if for a worthy goal and a new chapter in life.

Bringing back that Stupak clause is pathetic but not surprising. I remember being disappointed with Clinton on many counts most of which had to do with his genuflecting to the right. Got so bad that I stayed home in 1996. If Obama want to keep slapping his base in the face like this I hope he realizes that it may have consequences come 2012. Although I’m sure people will think otherwise when faced with the alternative. Still, it’s pretty strange.

Actually it’s probably a necessary concession in some way with the idea that it will help derail challenges to HCR on the state level. Doesn’t mean I have to like it. It expires in 3 1/2 years, but that doesn’t help all the women in those circumstances who are pregnant now or will become pregnant.

There’s some interesting results from a survey done at the Netroots this weekend. Reports of the left being furious at Obama are greatly exaggerated.

76 iceweasel  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 1:16:38am

re: #74 Gus 802

Good points especially in the first paragraph. If this goes forward, in the cases you mention then an abortion will become an out of pocket expense. Given the circumstances of being hospitalized for diabetes or cancer the cost of an abortion with those pre-conditions will be well above the average cost for an abortion.

heh, yeah, the first three paragraphs are all the ACLU’s suggested template from the action alert. Adding more though is more effective than just signing on for these mass action alerts though, just as an avalanche of individual mail is more effective than names on a petition.

77 Gus  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 1:17:02am

re: #75 iceweasel

Actually it’s probably a necessary concession in some way with the idea that it will help derail challenges to HCR on the state level. Doesn’t mean I have to like it. It expires in 3 1/2 years, but that doesn’t help all the women in those circumstances who are pregnant now or will become pregnant.

There’s some interesting results from a survey done at the Netroots this weekend. Reports of the left being furious at Obama are greatly exaggerated.

True. I haven’t been keeping track that much. The left being furious with Obama is as you say, greatly exaggerated. It’s limited to place like Firedoglake. There’s a place for that in a free society and I can understand withing those limited cases. Been there myself.

78 freetoken  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 1:19:13am

Youtube Video

79 Gus  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 1:19:47am

re: #76 iceweasel

heh, yeah, the first three paragraphs are all the ACLU’s suggested template from the action alert. Adding more though is more effective than just signing on for these mass action alerts though, just as an avalanche of individual mail is more effective than names on a petition.

You never know. I remember during Bush I forgot the circumstances but Syria made a somewhat conciliatory statement towards the USA. For some reason it compelled me to send an email to the White House and two weeks later Condi Rice met with the Syrians.

80 Gus  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 1:20:32am

re: #79 Gus 802

You never know. I remember during Bush I forgot the circumstances but Syria made a somewhat conciliatory statement towards the USA. For some reason it compelled me to send an email to the White House and two weeks later Condi Rice met with the Syrians.

That is I sent an email suggesting that meeting with the Syrian would be productive. Or wouldn’t hurt.

81 freetoken  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 1:31:20am

From the 1950’s… Enka Tango? What a mix of genres:

Youtube Video

82 boxhead  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 1:31:28am

re: #71 iceweasel

nice letter….. I wish the Dems were not so scared of the Noise Machine on the far Right. If it were not about serious things it would be funny…. Obama is the king of Limbo. He bends over backwards on every issue……. I am still thankful he won… OMG so much. Imagine if the other folks won….

83 freetoken  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 1:33:18am

re: #82 boxhead

nice letter… I wish the Dems were not so scared …

The “Shrinking Violets” party.

84 iceweasel  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 1:33:34am

re: #77 Gus 802

True. I haven’t been keeping track that much. The left being furious with Obama is as you say, greatly exaggerated. It’s limited to place like Firedoglake. There’s a place for that in a free society and I can understand withing those limited cases. Been there myself.

There was a post over at Think progress or TPM about the Netroots poll. Number one choice to run against Obama in 2012? Palin! She’s correctly perceived as a win for progressives— excellent for fundraising for the left too.

Some surprises too. Number one issue they want to see the main priority— the economy. Only 6 percent see DADT as a priority. 67% or so see HCR passage as an overwhelming success. 40 some odd percent describe themselves as being as enthusiastic or as motivated as they were in 2006 for the midterms.

(about equal amounts describe themselves as ‘more’ enthused than then and ‘less’, so I reckon those two groups cancel each other out).
The increasing crazy on the right is only helping hold the various left coalitions together. Normally we’d all be snarling and snapping at each other by now. Not that people aren’t of course, but I’m thinking that it isn’t nearly as bad as the right would like to believe (or the firebaggers).

85 boxhead  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 1:36:33am

re: #83 freetoken

The “Shrinking Violets” party.

yep… not sure where their nads went to, but damn!!!!!!!!

86 Gus  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 1:40:52am

re: #84 iceweasel

There was a post over at Think progress or TPM about the Netroots poll. Number one choice to run against Obama in 2012? Palin! She’s correctly perceived as a win for progressives— excellent for fundraising for the left too.

Some surprises too. Number one issue they want to see the main priority— the economy. Only 6 percent see DADT as a priority. 67% or so see HCR passage as an overwhelming success. 40 some odd percent describe themselves as being as enthusiastic or as motivated as they were in 2006 for the midterms.

(about equal amounts describe themselves as ‘more’ enthused than then and ‘less’, so I reckon those two groups cancel each other out).
The increasing crazy on the right is only helping hold the various left coalitions together. Normally we’d all be snarling and snapping at each other by now. Not that people aren’t of course, but I’m thinking that it isn’t nearly as bad as the right would like to believe (or the firebaggers).

Well, there’s plenty of fodder that can be used for ad campaign in the upcoming November elections. I sometimes think that many of us here at LGF that been paying attention could become consultants for political campaigns. I know I could use a job.

The number one issue is the economy with everyone. The popular trend is to blame the government. I think those concerns are misplaced. The biggest drag on the recovery is a lack of investment and opening up of business loans by financial institutions. This is even though they were essentially saved in large part with TARP. Getting a small business loan is next to impossible.

87 Gus  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 1:42:12am

re: #82 boxhead

nice letter… I wish the Dems were not so scared of the Noise Machine on the far Right. If it were not about serious things it would be funny… Obama is the king of Limbo. He bends over backwards on every issue… I am still thankful he won… OMG so much. Imagine if the other folks won…

True. But there are still pro-life Democrats just as much as there are Democrats who oppose gay marriage.

88 freetoken  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 1:44:07am

re: #86 Gus 802


The number one issue is the economy with everyone.

Yes, and it usually is unless there is a hot war going on.

People do tend to want to blame the government, but then again they’ll blame anything that is convenient - banks, Jews, immigrants, rich people, poor “leeches”, oil companies, libruls, etc.

Truth about the economy: the answer never lies where people think it does.

89 iceweasel  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 1:44:10am

re: #86 Gus 802

Well, there’s plenty of fodder that can be used for ad campaign in the upcoming November elections. I sometimes think that many of us here at LGF that been paying attention could become consultants for political campaigns. I know I could use a job.

The number one issue is the economy with everyone. The popular trend is to blame the government. I think those concerns are misplaced. The biggest drag on the recovery is a lack of investment and opening up of business loans by financial institutions. This is even though they were essentially saved in large part with TARP. Getting a small business loan is next to impossible.

Yep. The UK is set up somewhat differently that way, as far as I can tell. I’ll have to get Jimmah to explain it again.

In re: first paragraph— when they asked people to list the midterm races in order of importance, (what they thought was most important to watch) they listed all the same ones we’ve been watching here. Which I thought was very cool!

90 iceweasel  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 1:47:51am

re: #88 freetoken

Yes, and it usually is unless there is a hot war going on.

People do tend to want to blame the government, but then again they’ll blame anything that is convenient - banks, Jews, immigrants, rich people, poor “leeches”, oil companies, libruls, etc.

Truth about the economy: the answer never lies where people think it does.

Even less so now, because now we’re talking about a global economy in a way that wasn’t an issue (or existent) under FDR. I’m not even convinced the actual economists can necessarily understand it all themselves, either.

91 boxhead  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 1:49:52am

re: #87 Gus 802

True. But there are still pro-life Democrats just as much as there are Democrats who oppose gay marriage.

True… both based very much so on Religious beliefs. One of my biggest beefs with desert dwelling Muslims is their treatment of women. Women are people too! Regardless of what I may feel about the medical procedure, abortion, I believe women have the Right to decide what is best for them. It is not some old, balding, controlling dudes business at all.

And if so many hard core Christian folks were not in the closet and a hater because of it, there would not be so much of an out cry about it.


It is all about LOVE!!!

92 Gus  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 1:51:56am

re: #88 freetoken

Yes, and it usually is unless there is a hot war going on.

People do tend to want to blame the government, but then again they’ll blame anything that is convenient - banks, Jews, immigrants, rich people, poor “leeches”, oil companies, libruls, etc.

Truth about the economy: the answer never lies where people think it does.

True. It’s more like an organism.

It’s still time for the financial institutions to start opening up capital for private investment. They’ve been trying to attach too many strings of late. I know from speaking with one client of mine his friends have found it difficult to get a loan.

I’ll change the figure but here’s one story he told me. It was a group of three investor for a mini mall. The total cost was 1.2 million dollars. They were able to come up with 1 million dollars of the investment but were short 200,000 so they went to the bank. You know what the bank told them? They said they would grant them the loan but that the bank would have to be the principle name or holder in the mall project. So for only lending 200,000 out of 1.2 million they think they should be the top dog. That’s bullshit and close to loan sharking.

93 boxhead  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 1:54:14am

re: #92 Gus 802

That’s bullshit and close to loan sharking.

And they know it, and they think they can get away with it. And do get away with it.

94 Gus  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 1:54:27am

re: #90 iceweasel

Even less so now, because now we’re talking about a global economy in a way that wasn’t an issue (or existent) under FDR. I’m not even convinced the actual economists can necessarily understand it all themselves, either.

The GOP won’t take back the Senate. The most they’ll gain will be around 30 percent in the House. That’s my guess for now.

95 iceweasel  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 1:54:38am

Obvious troll is obvious.

96 Gus  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 1:55:04am

re: #93 boxhead

And they know it, and they think they can get away with it. And do get away with it.

The problem is that many people will walk.

97 boxhead  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 1:58:07am

re: #96 Gus 802

The problem is that many people will walk.

so how does a society regulate banking without being oppressive? Have to pass a good soul detector before being a banker?

98 Gus  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 1:59:38am

Ice check your email please.

99 boxhead  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 2:02:50am

dang i dumped a rant back a few posts…. sometimes i let my passions get the best of me. peace all.. nite.

100 Gus  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 2:03:14am

re: #97 boxhead

so how does a society regulate banking without being oppressive? Have to pass a good soul detector before being a banker?

I don’t know. They just have to make it part of their esthetic. Lower profits and a lower position in the hierarchy is beneficial to the greater needs of business or even capitalism. They close the door to a mall for example they’re also closing the door to retail, jobs, construction, etc. So they will sit on their money but how long will that last?

101 iceweasel  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 2:06:59am

re: #98 Gus 802

Ice check your email please.

Just did, Sorry, was playing around on the trollcats site again. Missed this one from March:

John Boehner is a hysterical fucktard trollcat.

102 freetoken  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 2:09:55am

re: #92 Gus 802

The thing about real estate in the US today is that the market is still unwinding, including commercial real estate. There is quite a few upside down loans still out there, and banking failures this year are above where they were at this time last year.

That’s the thing - correcting the over-expansion of real estate from the preceding decade is going to take time.

It all takes time and everyone wants a solution now.

I’m not an economist and don’t play one on the internet, but I bet if you ask a real economist (not a talking head on a cable station) they would tell you that business cycles have lengths of multiple years, and that they can’t be rushed.

103 freetoken  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 2:10:14am

re: #102 freetoken

pimf “are quite a few”

104 Gus  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 2:12:53am

re: #101 iceweasel

Just did, Sorry, was playing around on the trollcats site again. Missed this one from March:

John Boehner is a hysterical fucktard trollcat.

You know the Republicans were thinking about pushing co-op insurance companies. They could have done that. All along during the HCR debate all they did was complain and never put forward any alternatives. The narrative seemed to be that nothing was wrong with health care when in fact there is. They could have even tried to come up with ways of curbing increasing premiums beyond the old liability cap meme. They did a few things. Like the “death panel” portion was partially the workings of a very liberal Democrat and a Republican. In reality of course it was end of life counseling.

105 Gus  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 2:19:07am

re: #102 freetoken

The thing about real estate in the US today is that the market is still unwinding, including commercial real estate. There is quite a few upside down loans still out there, and banking failures this year are above where they were at this time last year.

That’s the thing - correcting the over-expansion of real estate from the preceding decade is going to take time.

It all takes time and everyone wants a solution now.

I’m not an economist and don’t play one on the internet, but I bet if you ask a real economist (not a talking head on a cable station) they would tell you that business cycles have lengths of multiple years, and that they can’t be rushed.

It’s unfortunate but you have to wait. You can’t force financial institutions to make loans because in the long run you end up with high risk loans as we’ve seen in the past.

106 iceweasel  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 2:21:51am

re: #104 Gus 802

You know the Republicans were thinking about pushing co-op insurance companies. They could have done that. All along during the HCR debate all they did was complain and never put forward any alternatives. The narrative seemed to be that nothing was wrong with health care when in fact there is. They could have even tried to come up with ways of curbing increasing premiums beyond the old liability cap meme. They did a few things. Like the “death panel” portion was partially the workings of a very liberal Democrat and a Republican. In reality of course it was end of life counseling.

Yep. But I’m pretty sure that such republican input as we got was all from the bipartisan committees, — the ‘death panel’ stuff is from the House Committee IIRC— and no matter how many concessions were made to the GOP during the committee process, they still just couldn’t manage to support the final projects. Who coulda node?

This was amazing from earlier: Erik son of Erik in a rare moment of truth:
RedState’s Erickson to GOP: ‘Stop lying’ and admit that you’re the ‘Party of No.’

Yesterday, ThinkProgress caught up with RedState founder Erick Erickson and asked his thoughts on the “Party of No” moniker. Erickson took the GOP to task for clouding the issue. He advised them to “stop lying” about being the “Party of No” because “everyone knows you are”:

TP: They are saying, if you accuse them of being the party of no or not having ideas, they will say “oh no!”

Erickson: That’s such crap. Say you’re the “Party of No.” Of course you are. Everyone knows you are. Stop lying.

They’ve got the vid.
Good on Erickson. I may not like his own ideas, but at least he acknowledges that the GOP is lacking them. (not sure his would be an improvement tho)

107 freetoken  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 2:22:05am

Children’s song 「夏は来ぬ」(natsu wa kinu = summer has come):

Youtube Video

108 Ryan King  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 2:23:02am

re: #102 freetoken

The thing about real estate in the US today is that the market is still unwinding, including commercial real estate. There is quite a few upside down loans still out there, and banking failures this year are above where they were at this time last year.

That’s the thing - correcting the over-expansion of real estate from the preceding decade is going to take time.

It all takes time and everyone wants a solution now.

I’m not an economist and don’t play one on the Internet, but I bet if you ask a real economist (not a talking head on a cable station) they would tell you that business cycles have lengths of multiple years, and that they can’t be rushed.

That is correct. I’m not an economist either but am closely aligned with the real estate market, especially the luxury market here in Hawaii. The worries about a double dip are subsiding but the multi year process of recovery is still in its early stages. Luxury real estate is starting to recover, and construction in that arena is showing positive trends in some luxury markets (Bay Area, Denver).

We have a long way to go, but hopefully, the worst is over.

My favorite joke: my house doubled in value in 3 years. Then I bought it!

109 Ryan King  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 2:25:47am

re: #106 iceweasel

They’ve got the vid.
Good on Erickson. I may not like his own ideas, but at least he acknowledges that the GOP is lacking them. (not sure his would be an improvement tho)

The GOP is the party of ABO: Anything But Obama. The only ideas they seem to have are counter to Obama’s Admin. They sure act that way.

110 freetoken  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 2:27:47am

re: #109 BigPapa

It’s hard to escape the conclusion that the GOP has purely become the reactionary party in this country. Whatever, they’re against it.

111 Renaissance_Man  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 2:27:51am

re: #97 boxhead

so how does a society regulate banking without being oppressive? Have to pass a good soul detector before being a banker?

It can be done. A friend and I were discussing this very thing last night. Some countries, such as Australia, have weathered this global financial crisis through, essentially, just that - regulated banking and finance that actually works and has teeth, yet allows the market as much freedom as possible. The middle class is free to negative gear as much as it likes, and while this causes exorbitant home prices, the fact is that the economy is sustainable, unlikely to crash, and doing very, very well.

There is a third way - the third way between tightly bound Marxism and unfettered capitalistic anarchy. Unfortunately, to reach that third way requires unsexy, un-newsworthy work in government. And American politics is no longer about governing the country - rather, it is about a cage match and dividing the nation for our entertainment. And, I should add, this is not the fault of the politicians. At all.

112 Gus  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 2:28:16am

re: #106 iceweasel

They’ve got the vid.
Good on Erickson. I may not like his own ideas, but at least he acknowledges that the GOP is lacking them. (not sure his would be an improvement tho)

The party of no or the party of “we’re against it.” Seems like they oppose regulations but are quick to pass or suggest laws regarding things they’re against. Abortion is one as is gay marriage. But there’s more and they seem to be too focused on negative ideas or negative energy. It’s always about “what’s going wrong” and less about “what’s going right.” It’s a completely cynical party now with nothing to say but “lower taxes and less government.” But when was the last time we say the Republicans close down a Federal department? Never, even under Reagan. In fact under Reagan the red tape grew.

113 Gus  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 2:30:01am

re: #109 BigPapa

The GOP is the party of ABO: Anything But Obama. The only ideas they seem to have are counter to Obama’s Admin. They sure act that way.

In other words they’re willing to sacrifice the nation for the next two years.

114 Renaissance_Man  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 2:31:19am

re: #112 Gus 802

The party of no or the party of “we’re against it.” Seems like they oppose regulations but are quick to pass or suggest laws regarding things they’re against. Abortion is one as is gay marriage. But there’s more and they seem to be too focused on negative ideas or negative energy. It’s always about “what’s going wrong” and less about “what’s going right.” It’s a completely cynical party now with nothing to say but “lower taxes and less government.” But when was the last time we say the Republicans close down a Federal department? Never, even under Reagan. In fact under Reagan the red tape grew.

Their voter pool is not, unfortunately, interested in anything beyond the sound bite of ‘lower taxes and less government’. Actually doing something to achieve even that soundbite would require actions that would not appeal to their base. This is the unfortunate bind the GOP finds itself in.

Their voters belong to the Conservative cult media now, and are not interested in anything more substantial than hating Democrats and liberals. That’s what Erick Erickson means - that the GOP should stand up for its label as the Party of No, because it is good and right that they should oppose liberals. That’s all they need to do, in the eyes of their voters. Somehow, as long as liberals are stamped out, the country will be fine.

115 EdDantes  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 2:31:25am

Hello, I must be going.
Youtube Video

116 Gus  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 2:40:30am

re: #114 Renaissance_Man

Their voter pool is not, unfortunately, interested in anything beyond the sound bite of ‘lower taxes and less government’. Actually doing something to achieve even that soundbite would require actions that would not appeal to their base. This is the unfortunate bind the GOP finds itself in.

Their voters belong to the Conservative cult media now, and are not interested in anything more substantial than hating Democrats and liberals. That’s what Erick Erickson means - that the GOP should stand up for its label as the Party of No, because it is good and right that they should oppose liberals. That’s all they need to do, in the eyes of their voters. Somehow, as long as liberals are stamped out, the country will be fine.

Right. But liberals won’t go away. And neither will conservatives. I think the idea of either one going away is rather undemocratic. There are mass constituencies of both demographics. It’s rather silly, as I’m sure you know, to think that the liberals of this country as the Limbaughs of this nation suggest will go away. The GOP just needs to stop being so dramatic and come up with ideas even if the left will oppose it. They need to create instead of criticize. Right now they’re the “art critics” of congress.

117 Renaissance_Man  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 2:47:58am

re: #116 Gus 802

Right. But liberals won’t go away. And neither will conservatives. I think the idea of either one going away is rather undemocratic. There are mass constituencies of both demographics. It’s rather silly, as I’m sure you know, to think that the liberals of this country as the Limbaughs of this nation suggest will go away. The GOP just needs to stop being so dramatic and come up with ideas even if the left will oppose it. They need to create instead of criticize. Right now they’re the “art critics” of congress.

The thing is, though, how do they come up with ideas and actually do something when their voters will hate anything they do, unless it’s attacking a Democrat? They’re stuck. As we say, politicians work for their voters. And in this case, their voters want them to pout, stamp their feet, and call Democrats names. Unfortunately, I don’t see how the GOP can solve this one easily.

118 Ryan King  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 2:48:03am

re: #112 Gus 802

The party of no or the party of “we’re against it.” Seems like they oppose regulations but are quick to pass or suggest laws regarding things they’re against. Abortion is one as is gay marriage.

GOP Logik of last three years:

NO REGULATION: anything to do with $ or property.
LOTSA REGULATION: anything to do with sex, especially teh ghey; anything anti-science when it comes to creationism in schools; fences and rifles a la border!
EVERYTHING ELSE: the opposite of Obama.

Yeah… I think that’s it.

119 Gus  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 2:53:02am

re: #117 Renaissance_Man

The thing is, though, how do they come up with ideas and actually do something when their voters will hate anything they do, unless it’s attacking a Democrat? They’re stuck. As we say, politicians work for their voters. And in this case, their voters want them to pout, stamp their feet, and call Democrats names. Unfortunately, I don’t see how the GOP can solve this one easily.

They can’t especially with the economy. This is a global economy now. They talk as if though it’s an isolated system and fix a few things domestically and everything will be fine. This was apparent when Greece almost went bankrupt and the DJI went down. They want to talk about bringing back production jobs to this country how? By removing regulations and lowering wages? How will that work when families have to pay a mortgage or rent well over 1000 dollars per month? Along with everything else that the have to pay to the private sector.

120 Gus  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 2:54:57am

re: #118 BigPapa

GOP Logik of last three years:

NO REGULATION: anything to do with $ or property.
LOTSA REGULATION: anything to do with sex, especially teh ghey; anything anti-science when it comes to creationism in schools; fences and rifles a la border!
EVERYTHING ELSE: the opposite of Obama.

Yeah… I think that’s it.

Which is a joke. We have bigger problems than “illegal immigration”. That’s just a distraction. We’re not spending 1 billion dollars a month on illegal immigrants.

121 Ryan King  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 2:56:14am

The GOP needs a real leader. Not Palin, not wistful thoughts of Ronnie, not Newt, not Limbaugh. Then need somebody with stones who will fill the well currently populated by the kooks and freaks. Yet, so much of the base seems to be kooks and freaks, the GOP may split up or get smaller. But that’s the only way for it to really come out healthy.

I’m lost. I’ve voted Red for almost 20 years, except maybe occasionally in a local election. If Palin ran, I might vote for Obama… shocka to my friends and family. 2+ years is a long time so we’ll see what happens.

122 Ryan King  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 2:59:18am

re: #120 Gus 802

Which is a joke. We have bigger problems than “illegal immigration”. That’s just a distraction.

Illegal immigration is a problem, but not a crisis. I see heightened language in discussion of it, terms such as ‘invasion.’ It’s more of a regional problem.

It’s not worth armed citizens walking around in the desert, that won’t turn out well.

123 iceweasel  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 3:02:42am

re: #114 Renaissance_Man


Their voters belong to the Conservative cult media now, and are not interested in anything more substantial than hating Democrats and liberals. That’s what Erick Erickson means - that the GOP should stand up for its label as the Party of No, because it is good and right that they should oppose liberals. That’s all they need to do, in the eyes of their voters. Somehow, as long as liberals are stamped out, the country will be fine.

That’s definitely what’s going on, but is that what Erikson means? He’s a nutbar, true, and who knows what he’ll say next, but I’m pretty sure I’ve seen him make that criticism of the GOP before— party of no ideas— and bitch that this is one reason why they can’t vanquish the ebil libruhls.
You know. The whole ‘conservatism can never fail, it can only be failed’ schtick.

124 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 3:06:32am

The party of no:

tax increaes

who can say no to a deal like that?

and the party of no

financial regulation
environmental or safety regulation
unemployment benefits
abortions

125 iceweasel  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 3:09:08am

Must sleep. Later gus! good night/morning everyone, have a great day.

126 Gus  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 3:09:39am

re: #125 iceweasel

Must sleep. Later gus! good night/morning everyone, have a great day.

Night ((Ice))!

127 rwdflynavy  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 3:15:28am

Good Morning Lizards!

Today’s Simpson Quote:
Homer: “Remember that postcard Grandpa sent us from Florida of that Alligator biting that woman’s bottom? That’s right, we all thought it was hilarious. But, it turns out we were wrong. That alligator was sexually harassing that woman. “

Off to the salt lick. BBLL.

128 freetoken  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 3:17:04am

Flooding in Iowa, CNN has video of the dam that failed:

200 structures destroyed in Iowa dam flooding

Lot’s of water. Indeed, Iowa has had so much rain this year that reports are coming in of widespread crop failures.

129 Gus  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 3:18:30am

The Temples Of Syrinx - Rush

MP3 Audio

130 Gus  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 3:23:14am

Later.

Youtube Video

131 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 3:45:15am

re: #122 BigPapa

Illegal immigration is a problem, but not a crisis. I see heightened language in discussion of it, terms such as ‘invasion.’ It’s more of a regional problem.

It’s not worth armed citizens walking around in the desert, that won’t turn out well.

Well, I tend not to assume armed citizens wandering around in the desert have the best motives at heart. Idiot cowboy bravado meets paranoia meets racism meets guns, what a winning combination

132 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 3:53:25am

re: #131 WindUpBird

There was a time when the Irish were treated worse than Mexicans. They were white.

Of course, the term “Black Irish”…

133 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 3:59:38am

The Irish are the blacks of Europe. And Dubliners are the blacks of Ireland. And the Northside Dubliners are the blacks of Dublin. So say it once and say it loud, I’m black and I’m proud.
-Jimmy Rabbitte, The Commitments

134 thedopefishlives  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 4:21:52am

re: #132 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

There was a time when the Irish were treated worse than Mexicans. They were white.

Funny thing is, in Ireland, the equivalent to Mexicans is actually Italians. Everywhere I went in the country, the service staff was always Italian.

135 albusteve  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 4:56:50am

rigor mortis

136 Taqyia2Me  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 5:03:05am

Necrophilia

137 Taqyia2Me  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 5:12:48am

Speaking of dead things, interesting article about Fannie Mae Freddie Mac in today’s WSJ by Brian M. Carney.

Did Schumer ever go out and try to recover the bonuses paid to Rains and Gorelick during their tenures at this government sponsored entity?

138 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 5:41:27am

re: #122 BigPapa

Illegal immigration is a problem, but not a crisis. I see heightened language in discussion of it, terms such as ‘invasion.’ It’s more of a regional problem.

It’s not worth armed citizens walking around in the desert, that won’t turn out well.

Those illegals who come over looking for work are a problem not a crisis. But the armed smugglers and drug cartels are now reaching crisis proportions.

My problem with the Arizona immigration bill is that in an attempt to deal with the armed and dangerous elements that do pose a serious threat, they simply wind up picking on the unarmed, unassuming ones who pose no real threat to anyone.

139 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 5:42:40am

re: #134 thedopefishlives

Funny thing is, in Ireland, the equivalent to Mexicans is actually Italians. Everywhere I went in the country, the service staff was always Italian.


During the big economic boom (which has gone major bust in Ireland) I was amused to hear native Irish complaining about “all those damn immigrants”.

140 thedopefishlives  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:07:47am

re: #139 ralphieboy

During the big economic boom (which has gone major bust in Ireland) I was amused to hear native Irish complaining about “all those damn immigrants”.

The irony is not lost on this son of Ireland.

141 Stonemason  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:19:21am

My takeaway? He singled out the birthers as idiots, then, when it was taken out of context, he explained that he meant only the birthers.

Sounds like he still called out the birthers as not relevant.

Another conservative that backs away from the fringe, a good thing.

142 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:20:33am

re: #141 Stonemason

Except for the ‘while I’m on camera’ bit.

He didn’t call them out in public. He could have done so, but he chose not to. Instead, he mocked them in private.

143 Stonemason  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:27:54am

re: #142 Obdicut

Well, he admitted that he language was inappropriate but remained ‘frustrated’ over the continued concentration on the issue when there are real issues to deal with.
He is a politician, and needs the dumb ass vote, just like the dems need the anarchist vote (based on left wing gatherings) and would probably rip them in private while only slightly ripping them in public.

I see it as a start, maybe because in the campaign office of my congressman we had the same conversation, that he nirthers are nuts but as voters can not be marginalized.
This is politics.

144 Stonemason  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:36:43am

and simply as a ‘remember this’ moment, when the left fringe publicly smeared a decorated General…

T

he Senate on Thursday overwhelmingly passed a measure condemning moveon.org for a newspaper ad it ran last week attacking Gen. David Petraeus. The move came as President Bush accused Democrats of cowering to the liberal political action group.

The measure passed in a 72-25 vote, with none of the Democratic presidential candidates supporting it.

Politics is politics.

145 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:41:32am

re: #143 Stonemason


He is a politician, and needs the dumb ass vote, just like the dems need the anarchist vote (based on left wing gatherings) and would probably rip them in private while only slightly ripping them in public.

Anarchists are an incredibly small fringe group that no Democrat would bother appeasing in any way.


Politics is politics.

Yes. Passing a meaningless Senate resolution to condemn a certain ad certainly is some crappy politics.


I’m kind of confused by what you’re taking away from this incident. This guy is mocking the Tea Party’s obsession with the birth certificate stuff— in private— while in public he is unwilling to repudiate that craziness. Not in the form of a Senate resolution, but in the form of simply rejecting that kind of talk when he encounters it.

Responding simply with a tu quoque is a little confusing.

146 Romantic Heretic  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:51:44am

re: #71 iceweasel

Well done!

147 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:53:52am

re: #120 Gus 802

Which is a joke. We have bigger problems than “illegal immigration”. That’s just a distraction. We’re not spending 1 billion dollars a month on illegal immigrants.

And illegal immigration is an evolutionary system, too; they’re part of our economy. Figuring out whether or not they actually have a net benefit or net detriment to our economy is a huge, complex question, but so many people treat it as obvious that illegal aliens must overall cost the US money. It’s aggravating.

148 Stonemason  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 6:57:42am

it wasn’t tu quoque…both sides of idiots are wrong, one is not right because the other did it. The immediate mis-use of that phrase recently makes me laugh. I have never said the fringe on the right is justified in it’s insanity, just that the ignorance of the fringe on the left, while slamming the fringe on the right is intellectually dishonest.

The birthers are fringe, anarchists are fringe. That is all. Neither is right. I would not expect a dem politician to come out and publicly denounce the anarchists.

One of the arguments made here by some posters is that in their hearts the gop candidates agree with the fringes, this proves that some do not…right?

That’s all, nothing more, this guy is a politician that thinks birthers are stupid, which is a good thing, but is being ripped because he treads lightly when asked about possible voters…c’mon, that is politics.

149 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:00:42am

re: #147 Obdicut

And illegal immigration is an evolutionary system, too; they’re part of our economy. Figuring out whether or not they actually have a net benefit or net detriment to our economy is a huge, complex question, but so many people treat it as obvious that illegal aliens must overall cost the US money. It’s aggravating.

just as aggravating that so many treat it as obvious that they don’t. You yourself in the preceding sentence state “Figuring out whether or not they actually have a net benefit or net detriment to our economy is a huge, complex question yet in the last sentence only denounce those that beleive it’s a net loss

150 garhighway  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:00:44am

re: #2 Dark_Falcon

Well, he did probably mean it how he says he means it: Most Tea Partiers are not Nirthers,

I’d like to see some data on that point.

151 Stonemason  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:05:31am

re: #150 garhighway

I’d like to see some data on that point.

Thirty percent of Tea Party supporters believe Mr. Obama was born in another country

not the majority (but a goodly number for sure)

152 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:08:13am

re: #151 Stonemason

Thirty percent of Tea Party supporters believe Mr. Obama was born in another country

not the majority (but a goodly number for sure)

They are better educated than most Americans: 37 percent are college graduates, compared to 25 percent of Americans overall.

153 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:09:01am

re: #151 Stonemason

re: #152 sattv4u2

They are better educated than most Americans: 37 percent are college graduates, compared to 25 percent of Americans overall.

More than three in four Tea Party supporters (78 percent) have never attended a rally or donated to a group; most have also not visited a Tea Party Web site.

154 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:09:19am

so much for streotypes

155 Varek Raith  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:10:01am

re: #153 sattv4u2

re: #152 sattv4u2

More than three in four Tea Party supporters (78 percent) have never attended a rally or donated to a group; most have also not visited a Tea Party Web site.

Gee, maybe they should check em out before blindly supporting them?
Perhaps?

156 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:10:21am

re: #148 Stonemason

it wasn’t tu quoque…both sides of idiots are wrong, one is not right because the other did it.

That’s the definition of tu quoque, dude. I’m pointing out that he didn’t call them out, as you said— he dodged opportunities to call them out, and then shit-talked them in what he thought was private. Your claim that he called them out is not, in fact, true. And your response to this is to begin talking about the Democrats and what they do. That is “tu quoque” to a t.

The immediate mis-use of that phrase recently makes me laugh.

See above.

I have never said the fringe on the right is justified in it’s insanity, just that the ignorance of the fringe on the left, while slamming the fringe on the right is intellectually dishonest.

What ignorance? Mine? I can’t discern what you’re talking about here.


The birthers are fringe, anarchists are fringe. That is all. Neither is right. I would not expect a dem politician to come out and publicly denounce the anarchists.

If anarchists would brought up to a Democrat, he’d reject them and say that they’re not in any way aligned with himself or the Democratic party. Anarchists protest the DNC ever year.

If birthers are brought up to these Tea Party types— or to many GOP members— they either endorse it or dodge it. They just formed a Tea Party Caucus.

The comparison is widely, widely off the mark.


One of the arguments made here by some posters is that in their hearts the gop candidates agree with the fringes, this proves that some do not…right?

Um, I don’t know about ‘some posters’. I think the argument that’s usually been made is that these GOP candidates are, in public, when it matters, agreeing with the fringe.

I generally assume they’re doing it out of sheer, cruel cynicism.


That’s all, nothing more, this guy is a politician that thinks birthers are stupid, which is a good thing, but is being ripped because he treads lightly when asked about possible voters…c’mon, that is politics.

Thinking birthers are stupid while avoiding saying that birtherism is stupid, refusing to engage with the topic, is indeed a political move. I’m not sure how jump from that to ‘cmon that is politics’— yes, he’s getting ripped because he showed himself to be a pandering asshole who’s not calling out the craziness confronting him.

Remember, you said he was calling them out— but it was the opposite. He was not calling them out. He passed the opportunity to call them out.

157 darthstar  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:11:16am

Teabaggers only useful pawns in chess game of life? We like the pointy hats and the draped flags and misspelled signs, but can you just not open your mouths when I’m on camera? Or at least keep it to saying “Yay” when I talk about myself and “Boo” when I talk about my opponent?

158 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:11:20am

re: #155 Varek Raith

Gee, maybe they should check em out before blindly supporting them?
Perhaps?

They back the ideas

I don’t need to go to my local (or national) politicians stump speech to back him/her

159 Varek Raith  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:11:43am

re: #154 sattv4u2

so much for streotypes

Silence you…you…
Damn!

160 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:11:46am

re: #149 sattv4u2

just as aggravating that so many treat it as obvious that they don’t. You yourself in the preceding sentence state “Figuring out whether or not they actually have a net benefit or net detriment to our economy is a huge, complex question yet in the last sentence only denounce those that beleive it’s a net loss

I have seen far fewer people assume they’re a net benefit. A benefit to certain corporations that hire them, sure, but an actual net benefit to the nation, I haven’t seen. That they have a direct effect on lowering food price, yes, but not that they have a net benefit.

Anyway, given that I did make it clear in the first sentence, why are you kicking about the last? Doing either is stupid.

161 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:12:45am

re: #151 Stonemason

Thirty percent of Tea Party supporters believe Mr. Obama was born in another country

not the majority (but a goodly number for sure)

Thirty percent of Tea Party supporters believe Mr. Obama was born in another country, despite ample evidence to the contrary. Another 29 percent say they don’t know. Twenty percent of Americans overall, one in five, believe the president was not born in the United States

So there’s only a 10% difference between self described Tea Partiers and the number overall!

162 Varek Raith  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:12:52am

re: #158 sattv4u2

They back the ideas

I don’t need to go to my local (or national) politicians stump speech to back him/her

To each his own, I suppose.

163 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:14:42am

re: #160 Obdicut

I have seen far fewer people assume they’re a net benefit. A benefit to certain corporations that hire them, sure, but an actual net benefit to the nation, I haven’t seen. That they have a direct effect on lowering food price, yes, but not that they have a net benefit.

Anyway, given that I did make it clear in the first sentence, why are you kicking about the last? Doing either is stupid.

You omitted it. I noted it. ending with Doing either is stupid. is defensive

164 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:15:42am

re: #162 Varek Raith

To each his own, I suppose.

I see. So you attend every rally of a politician you plan on voting for just to ensure you’re not ‘blindly following” them?

165 Varek Raith  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:16:04am

re: #161 sattv4u2

Thirty percent of Tea Party supporters believe Mr. Obama was born in another country, despite ample evidence to the contrary. Another 29 percent say they don’t know. Twenty percent of Americans overall, one in five, believe the president was not born in the United States

So there’s only a 10% difference between self described Tea Partiers and the number overall!

People are dumb. I weep for America.

166 Varek Raith  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:16:35am

re: #164 sattv4u2

I see. So you attend every rally of a politician you plan on voting for just to ensure you’re not ‘blindly following” them?

Nope.
I make sure they aren’t full of nutters.

167 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:17:16am

oliver stone is so lame … is he channeling mel gibson?

blogs.telegraph.co.uk

i wonder if we’ll hear some of his hollywood pals come out and condemn this? hopefully it will happen soon.

169 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:18:07am

re: #167 _RememberTonyC

oliver stone is so lame … is he channeling mel gibson?

[Link: blogs.telegraph.co.uk…]

i wonder if we’ll hear some of his hollywood pals come out and condemn this? hopefully it will happen soon.

I hear that Helen Thomas is going to be his new press agent!
//

170 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:18:59am

re: #163 sattv4u2

You omitted it. I noted it. ending with Doing either is stupid. is defensive

Interwebs psychology is just as dumb when you do it as when anyone else does it.

As I said: I omitted it because it really doesn’t happen. A lot of people talk about individual economic effects of immigrants— tax money taken from them possibly exceeded the value of services given to them, food prices, etc.— but do not tend to make overall sweeping statements about them being a net benefit.

However, illegal immigrants get blamed, wholesale, for being a net negative quite often, for hurting the economy, for costing us money.

Doing either is stupid. Only one of them is done with regularity.

171 Stonemason  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:19:03am

re: #156 Obdicut

on the fallacy…I repeatedly said that I do not believe that two wrongs make a right, how many times must I say it? I use evidence that BOTH sides are wrong, but lately the dem side is ignored, that’s all.

Fine, he is a pandering politician. I’ll watch for the ‘ripping’ of the next dem that panders to a fringe group.

This one is a non-starter, in my opinion, just looking for a reason to rip a republican, but hey, that’s cool, no problem, gives me a chance to point it out.

172 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:19:16am

re: #168 Killgore Trout

Steele and Breitbart are hosting the reception together.

173 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:19:40am

re: #167 _RememberTonyC

He’s not that well-liked in Hollywood. A lot of people will probably condemn him.

It’s just bizarre. Out of nowhere, just “BTW it’s the Jews that are the problem”.

174 Stonemason  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:21:50am

kids are up, time to play

175 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:21:53am

re: #173 Obdicut

He’s not that well-liked in Hollywood. A lot of people will probably condemn him.

It’s just bizarre. Out of nowhere, just “BTW it’s the Jews that are the problem”.

heh,, don’t hold your breath

176 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:23:29am

re: #171 Stonemason

on the fallacy…I repeatedly said that I do not believe that two wrongs make a right, how many times must I say it? I use evidence that BOTH sides are wrong , but lately the dem side is ignored, that’s all.

And that is what a tu quoque is. Or, if you prefer, a false equivalence.

Fine, he is a pandering politician. I’ll watch for the ‘ripping’ of the next dem that panders to a fringe group.

Okay. You do that.

This one is a non-starter, in my opinion, just looking for a reason to rip a republican, but hey, that’s cool, no problem, gives me a chance to point it out.

A non-starter? What do you mean? You think Charles just posted this because he was looking for a reason to rip a Republican?

Dude. I don’t get why pointing out blatant hypocrisy by a politician is met, by you, with vague demands that we spend equal time attacking Democrats. Um, I hate Rangel and I wish that the GOP had run someone sane against Reid so that he could get ousted. Does that satisfy you? Is it okay now to talk about how this guy is a shithead and how birtherism is not fringe specifically because it is worth being catered to?

177 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:23:48am

re: #173 Obdicut

He’s not that well-liked in Hollywood. A lot of people will probably condemn him.

It’s just bizarre. Out of nowhere, just “BTW it’s the Jews that are the problem”.


i may have to drop Showtime from my cable …. they are showing his new project.

178 darthstar  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:24:22am

At least the candidates in Tennessee aren’t saying over the top shit.

Rep. Zach Wamp (R-03) suggested [Tennessee] and other states may have to consider seceding from the union if the federal government does not change its ways regarding mandates.

“I hope that the American people will go to the ballot box in 2010 and 2012 so that states are not forced to consider separation from this government,” said Wamp during an interview with Hotline OnCall.


Oh, never mind…

179 Varek Raith  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:24:37am

I seem to be a bit of a jerk this morning.
:/
Sorry.

180 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:24:50am

re: #175 sattv4u2

heh,, don’t hold your breath

You know that Hollywood does have a hell of a lot of Jewish writers, actors, producers, agents, etc., right?

181 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:25:55am

re: #170 Obdicut


Interwebs psychology is just as dumb when you do it
Wasn’t “psychology”

Was an observation

182 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:27:21am

re: #180 Obdicut

You know that Hollywood does have a hell of a lot of Jewish writers, actors, producers, agents, etc., right?

NO!! REALLY ,,, you don’t say

So Mel Gibson was run out of Hollywood when he went on his anti jewish drunken rant years ago?
I did not know that!!

183 darthstar  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:28:04am

re: #161 sattv4u2

Thirty percent of Tea Party supporters believe Mr. Obama was born in another country, despite ample evidence to the contrary. Another 29 percent say they don’t know. Twenty percent of Americans overall, one in five, believe the president was not born in the United States

So there’s only a 10% difference between self described Tea Partiers and the number overall!

The 29 per cent saying “I don’t know” are people who dislike the president enough (for whatever reason) to keep the question open, but have enough intelligence to know that saying they believe he wasn’t born in the US will make them sound like idiots.

184 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:28:28am

re: #183 darthstar

The 29 per cent saying “I don’t know” are people who dislike the president enough (for whatever reason) to keep the question open, but have enough intelligence to know that saying they believe he wasn’t born in the US will make them sound like idiots.

Self awareness is a wonderful thing!

185 Varek Raith  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:28:41am

So…
When is a congresscritter gonna denounce Breakbasket?

186 darthstar  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:29:26am

re: #182 sattv4u2

Isn’t it a fact of human nature that people will put up with assholes if the financial reward for doing so is substantial?

187 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:29:35am

re: #185 Varek Raith

So…
When is a congresscritter gonna denounce Breakbasket?

Que??

breadbaskets.com

188 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:29:39am

re: #182 sattv4u2

NO!! REALLY ,,, you don’t say

So Mel Gibson was run out of Hollywood when he went on his anti jewish drunken rant years ago?
I did not know that!!

Yes, Gibson has found it increasingly hard to find work, and fewer and fewer people that will work with him.

189 Varek Raith  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:30:25am

re: #187 sattv4u2

Que??

[Link: www.breadbaskets.com…]

Lol.
Breitbart spell check suggests “Breakbasket”.
I just ran with it.

190 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:30:44am

re: #186 darthstar

Isn’t it a fact of human nature that people will put up with assholes if the financial reward for doing so is substantial?

Not ONLY financial, but yes

Which is what I mean by “don’t hold your breath” waiting for condemnation of Oliver Stone by Hollywood

191 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:31:39am

re: #189 Varek Raith

Lol.
Breitbart spell check suggests “Breakbasket”.
I just ran with it.

oh ,, damn ,, I didn’t even catch that

My brains Spell Check automatically saw your post as breaDbasket

Didn’t even see the “K”!

192 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:32:08am

re: #188 Obdicut

Yes, Gibson has found it increasingly hard to find work, and fewer and fewer people that will work with him.

Is that because he goes on drunken rants, or because he goes on *anti-Jewish* drunken rants?

193 lawhawk  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:33:12am

re: #173 Obdicut

He’s not that well-liked in Hollywood. A lot of people will probably condemn him.

It’s just bizarre. Out of nowhere, just “BTW it’s the Jews that are the problem”.

Not out of nowhere. He’s repeatedly made off-handed comments like that.

From January 2010.

And then he’s on Maher last month spewing AIPAC controlling American foreign policy.
Youtube Video

194 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:33:39am

re: #188 Obdicut

Yes, Gibson has found it increasingly hard to find work, and fewer and fewer people that will work with him.

Not according to

imdb.com

One movie out now
One filming now
Three in developement

195 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:34:12am

re: #192 oaktree

Is that because he goes on drunken rants, or because he goes on *anti-Jewish* drunken rants?

Its because Obdi wants to beleive it

see #194

196 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:34:22am

Dan Riehl has video of Charles Sharrod…
Sherrod: “We Must Stop The White Man And His Uncle Toms …”
Ugh, it’s too early for me to start looking into this stuff.

197 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:35:02am

re: #172 Killgore Trout

Steele and Breitbart are hosting the reception together.

ouch

(and good morning)

198 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:35:52am

re: #188 Obdicut

re: #194 sattv4u2

Not according to

[Link: www.imdb.com…]

One movie out now
One filming now
Three in developement

oh ,, and one in Post Production now

199 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:36:06am

re: #179 Varek Raith

I seem to be a bit of a jerk this morning.
:/
Sorry.

no sweat. peace is a lie, anyway, remember? there is only passion;)

200 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:36:32am

re: #197 Aceofwhat?

Good morning.

201 Varek Raith  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:37:02am

re: #199 Aceofwhat?

no sweat. peace is a lie, anyway, remember? there is only passion;)

Heh, awesome.

BBL.
3 day weekends FTW!

202 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:37:07am

re: #199 Aceofwhat?

no sweat. peace is a lie, anyway, remember? there is only passion;)


Speaking of which, I am passionately brewing my second pot of coffee
BRB

203 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:37:17am

re: #186 darthstar

Isn’t it a fact of human nature that people will put up with assholes if the financial reward for doing so is substantial?

heh. tru. otherwise, would we really keep going to work each day…?

204 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:37:55am

re: #203 Aceofwhat?

heh. tru. otherwise, would we really keep going to work each day…?

I do it to get away from the “Honey Do” list

205 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:38:44am

re: #200 Killgore Trout

Good morning.

the ‘ouch’ was because i thought this was a great ‘stand and be counted’ moment…except i was hoping there would be fewer standing with Breitbart.

sigh.

206 darthstar  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:38:54am

re: #194 sattv4u2

Not according to

[Link: www.imdb.com…]

One movie out now
One filming now
Three in developement

meh…Mel/Oliver/whomever’s possible troubles because they’re assholes isn’t that important to me. If I don’t like them, I don’t watch them. Tom Cruise is an idiot (and an asshole). I don’t watch his movies, either…unless they’re free, and even then I have a hard time sitting through one.

207 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:39:55am

re: #204 sattv4u2

I do it to get away from the “Honey Do” list

mine is relatively short given my long history of epic handyman fails…

208 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:40:38am

re: #207 Aceofwhat?

mine is relatively short given my long history of epic handyman fails…

good strateegery!

209 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:42:05am

re: #208 sattv4u2

good strateegery!

Awwww… Plumbing is fun! ;-D

210 Stanley Sea  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:43:23am

re: #196 Killgore Trout

Dan Riehl has video of Charles Sharrod…
Sherrod: “We Must Stop The White Man And His Uncle Toms …”
Ugh, it’s too early for me to start looking into this stuff.

This was predicted. It was only a matter of time before they started after her husband.

211 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:44:10am

re: #206 darthstar

meh…Mel/Oliver/whomever’s possible troubles because they’re assholes isn’t that important to me. If I don’t like them, I don’t watch them. Tom Cruise is an idiot (and an asshole). I don’t watch his movies, either…unless they’re free, and even then I have a hard time sitting through one.

I don’;t think I’ve ever sat through an entire Gibson movie
I’m 50/50 with Cruise
Stone has made some good stuff, mostly prior to 2004 or so

212 kirkspencer  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:45:40am

re: #148 Stonemason

it wasn’t tu quoque…both sides of idiots are wrong, one is not right because the other did it. The immediate mis-use of that phrase recently makes me laugh. I have never said the fringe on the right is justified in it’s insanity, just that the ignorance of the fringe on the left, while slamming the fringe on the right is intellectually dishonest.

The birthers are fringe, anarchists are fringe. That is all. Neither is right. I would not expect a dem politician to come out and publicly denounce the anarchists.

One of the arguments made here by some posters is that in their hearts the gop candidates agree with the fringes, this proves that some do not…right?

That’s all, nothing more, this guy is a politician that thinks birthers are stupid, which is a good thing, but is being ripped because he treads lightly when asked about possible voters…c’mon, that is politics.

Digressing slightly from the majority of your post, I want to comment on the relation between anarchists and dems. I think that used to be true, but isn’t any longer.

Specifically, which party’s extremists call for less government both in general and in specific? Now I grant that the demand for more law enforcement (but not on them) and military (again aimed at others) is incompatible with the rest of the message. But when it comes to nuts and bolts, it’s the Republican fringe that calls for the minimization of government.

The Democrats have their fringe, but their fringes are not anarchists.

213 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:45:42am

re: #209 oaktree

Awww… Plumbing is fun! ;-D

I’ll try most fixits around the house, except for electric
THAT I leave to the pros, cause if I mess that up,,,, ZZZAAAPPPPs hurt!
A LOT

214 lawhawk  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:48:02am

re: #211 sattv4u2

Was a big fan of Gibson’s early works, but pretty much haven’t seen anything since Braveheart. I haven’t gone to the movies to see a Tom Cruise movie in years - and I think the last one was Ollie Stone’s Born on the Fourth of July, which was an impressive piece of filmmaking, but it’s also the only one of Stone’s flicks I would recommend other than Platoon.

215 [deleted]  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:49:21am
216 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:50:34am

re: #210 Stanley Sea

This was predicted. It was only a matter of time before they started after her husband.

Yeah, they are really out to ruin her. They might succeed.

217 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:50:53am

re: #212 kirkspencer

[snip]

The Democrats have their fringe, but their fringes are not anarchists.

What fringe?

218 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:53:08am

re: #213 sattv4u2

I’ll try most fixits around the house, except for electric
THAT I leave to the pros, cause if I mess that up,,, ZZZAAAPPPs hurt!
A LOT

I’ve done some of both, and consider plumbing the harder of the two.

I think that’s due to the tight spaces a lot of plumbing is hiding in and the fact that if you don’t have *all* the water completely out of a pipe it’s a lot harder to get a join to solder cleanly. Complicating it was the fact I was working in a 40+ year-old house where there were a lack of shut-off valves in general and most of the shut-offs were an older type and often didn’t want to close completely.

Electrical work, on the other hand, I found to be something to be down slow and carefully to make sure things grounded to the correct spot. And I often did it with the main breakers cut to make sure the ZAP-ZAP didn’t happen. (And I was generally doing minor stuff like re-wiring worn out outlets and replacing switches.)

Though when I did a tub/surround replacement including new hardware I did bring in the pros to do that. And glad I was since the new hardware required some piping tweaks that probably would have been beyond me in any case.

I’ve had enough issues with either area to have a lot of respect for the pros.

219 darthstar  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:53:53am

re: #212 kirkspencer

The Democrats have their fringe, but their fringes are not anarchists.


Hey…that’s not a fringe…they’re just beads, and they look cool.

220 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:54:17am

re: #215 MandyManners

Did you see any of the threads Charles has posted over the years about anarchists at anti-war rallies or rallies against various G-8/G-20 meetings?

Hell, did he post any threads about the anarchists protesting the DNC, too?

The question isn’t “Do anarchists exist?” but “Do Democratic politicans pander to them?” And the answer is no. I have never seen a single Democrat say nice things about the anarchists.

221 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:55:20am

re: #207 Aceofwhat?

mine is relatively short given my long history of epic handyman fails…

For real, or accidentally on purpose?

When the Roi doesn’t want to do something, he becomes suddenly completely inept. Which is the signal for me to take over.

Next time, when I get the signal, I’m gonna call and hire somebody.
That’ll learn him.

222 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:55:57am

re: #194 sattv4u2

I’m sorry, you don’t appear to have understood what I said.

It’s harder for Gibson to find work now, and far fewer people will work with him. For example, his talent company just dropped him.

I’m not sure what you expect Hollywood to do. Hollywood is an area in LA. It’s not a unified group.

223 darthstar  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:56:30am

re: #210 Stanley Sea

This was predicted. It was only a matter of time before they started after her husband.

Given that he was a civil rights hero, this might help galvanize the vote this November(for the Democrats). Maybe a nasty article or two about Rosa Parks will help the GOP. ///

224 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:58:19am

re: #222 Obdicut

I’m sorry, you don’t appear to have understood what I said.

It’s harder for Gibson to find work now, and far fewer people will work with him. For example, his talent company just dropped him.

I’m not sure what you expect Hollywood to do. Hollywood is an area in LA. It’s not a unified group.

Obdi - I get your point, and yes, Gibson would be finding it hard to find work now, except he seems to be wealthy enough to be able to be involved in the financing of his own projects.

But the term “Hollywood” has long been used as shorthand for the group, “the movie industry in general”. C’mon.

225 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:58:32am

re: #223 darthstar

Given that he was a civil rights hero, this might help galvanize the vote this November(for the Democrats). Maybe a nasty article or two about Rosa Parks will help the GOP. ///

They can even put here commemorative stamp on the envelope the mailing goes out on…

///

226 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 7:59:10am

PIMF

here -> her.

:(

227 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:00:26am

re: #220 Obdicut

Hell, did he post any threads about the anarchists protesting the DNC, too?

The question isn’t “Do anarchists exist?” but “Do Democratic politicans pander to them?” And the answer is no. I have never seen a single Democrat say nice things about the anarchists.

Basically, you’re right, as this essay, and paragraph implies…

“The divergence of the two groups is hardly set in stone. The Anti-Globalization movement’s ideology of a corporate controlled media and government is conducive to a wholescale rejection of ‘The System,’ which many of its members still do. In a movement populated by large and unwieldy alliances between mainstream environmentalists, Anarchists, Socialists, and many others, building an electoral machine is difficult. Also, the Green Party’s future depends on seducing established Liberals away from the Democratic party, something its finding difficult to do. And all that is beside the problem of legitimizing a movement where a significant minority of its members believe Bush planned the September 11th attacks.”

bpronline.org

228 kirkspencer  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:02:05am

re: #215 MandyManners

Did you see any of the threads Charles has posted over the years about anarchists at anti-war rallies or rallies against various G-8/G-20 meetings?

Yes, though I was a non-member lurker at the time or I’d have commented then. Two points for consideration:

In the US (anti-war rallies) the protesters were called anarchists. I believe this a case of mislabeling. They objected to the war. They objected to Bush being president. They did not demand dismantling of part or all of government.

On the G8/G20, we have some self-identified anarchists who wish the dissolution of part/all of current governments. We also have people who are protesting against the rich becoming richer - demanding a redistribution of wealth. That’s not anarchy. In a brief (so I could be wrong) review of protests at US based meetings I see the latter, but not the former. In other words, we have a mislabeling again where a group is neither by self-identification nor by declaration of objective “anarchist”.

229 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:02:10am

re: #222 Obdicut

I’m sorry, you don’t appear to have understood what I said.

It’s harder for Gibson to find work now, and far fewer people will work with him. For example, his talent company just dropped him.

I’m not sure what you expect Hollywood to do. Hollywood is an area in LA. It’s not a unified group.

YOU’RE the one who said
He’s not that well-liked in Hollywood. A lot of people will probably condemn him.
You know that Hollywood does have a hell of a lot of Jewish writers, actors, producers, agents, etc., right?

As I stated, he has one movie out now, one in post production (soon to be out) one that he’s filming now, and three in developemnt

Yup,, he’s having LOTS of trouble!

230 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:02:31am

Why do Chinese people keep leaving “comments” at the cookbook blog, written in Chinese characters with ” … … ” afterwards?

I monitor the comments there and have to approve them before they show up, so no one sees these but me. But it’s weird.

If I click the comment, I go to some sort of porn site. Why are these things coming from China?

231 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:03:23am

re: #224 reine.de.tout

Obdi - I get your point, and yes, Gibson would be finding it hard to find work now, except he seems to be wealthy enough to be able to be involved in the financing of his own projects.

But the term “Hollywood” has long been used as shorthand for the group, “the movie industry in general”. C’mon.

see #194

232 thedopefishlives  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:03:28am

re: #230 reine.de.tout

Why do Chinese people keep leaving “comments” at the cookbook blog, written in Chinese characters with ” … ” afterwards?

I monitor the comments there and have to approve them before they show up, so no one sees these but me. But it’s weird.

If I click the comment, I go to some sort of porn site. Why are these things coming from China?

Malware, perhaps. Alas, the stereotype of “Chinese hackers” is not entirely undeserved.

233 kirkspencer  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:03:32am

re: #217 Walter L. Newton

What fringe?

Code Pink, as an example, is a fringe. Most Democrats I know cringe at the association, much as Republicans I know used to cringe at the congruent association of Birchers.

234 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:03:40am

re: #230 reine.de.tout

Why do Chinese people keep leaving “comments” at the cookbook blog, written in Chinese characters with ” … ” afterwards?

I monitor the comments there and have to approve them before they show up, so no one sees these but me. But it’s weird.

If I click the comment, I go to some sort of porn site. Why are these things coming from China?

Maybe they’re pissed that we didn’t include a Sweet and sour pork recipe.

235 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:03:57am

re: #221 reine.de.tout

For real, or accidentally on purpose?

When the Roi doesn’t want to do something, he becomes suddenly completely inept. Which is the signal for me to take over.

Next time, when I get the signal, I’m gonna call and hire somebody.
That’ll learn him.

no, for real. and you know i have no problem boasting about something when i think i’m good at it;)

what’s even stranger…i was quite good in gross anatomy. need me to dissect human plumbing? no problem! but if i successfully hang a picture, i’m dancing around like i just aced Federer…

236 Slap  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:04:20am

re: #194 sattv4u2

True enough.

However….

How many of those got started before the William Morris Agency dropped his ass into the dumper 2 weeks ago?

I may not know much about the movie biz, but if you’re seen as too much trouble for an incredibly powerful entity like WMA, you’re going to have some difficulty going forward. And with that, if any of those in-the-pipe projects fizzle, he’s toast.

But Sharron Angle might be looking for a press secretary…./

237 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:04:49am

re: #230 reine.de.tout

Why do Chinese people keep leaving “comments” at the cookbook blog, written in Chinese characters with ” … ” afterwards?

I monitor the comments there and have to approve them before they show up, so no one sees these but me. But it’s weird.

If I click the comment, I go to some sort of porn site. Why are these things coming from China?

spammers.

238 garhighway  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:05:22am

re: #212 kirkspencer

Digressing slightly from the majority of your post, I want to comment on the relation between anarchists and dems. I think that used to be true, but isn’t any longer.

Specifically, which party’s extremists call for less government both in general and in specific? Now I grant that the demand for more law enforcement (but not on them) and military (again aimed at others) is incompatible with the rest of the message. But when it comes to nuts and bolts, it’s the Republican fringe that calls for the minimization of government.

The Democrats have their fringe, but their fringes are not anarchists.

Please stop with the logic and facts.

239 PT Barnum  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:05:32am

re: #235 Aceofwhat?

no, for real. and you know i have no problem boasting about something when i think i’m good at it;)

what’s even stranger…i was quite good in gross anatomy. need me to dissect human plumbing? no problem! but if i successfully hang a picture, i’m dancing around like i just aced Federer…

Plumbing is one of those things I’ve learned to just make the call up front because it’s cheaper in the long run.

Having an electronics degree and an instructor who graphically described what happens when things aren’t grounded properly, I also call for electrical work.

240 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:05:49am

re: #231 sattv4u2

see #194

I did.
“Post development” means a movie that was filmed some time ago, not recently necessarily.

I’ll wait to see what happens with the 3 that are “in development”. I think Gibson’s on the way down, and out. I know I’m not going to see his movies. And I usually liked them; but I just can’t support him, the man is crazy.

241 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:06:27am

re: #236 Slap

True enough.

However…

How many of those got started before the William Morris Agency dropped his ass into the dumper 2 weeks ago?

I may not know much about the movie biz, but if you’re seen as too much trouble for an incredibly powerful entity like WMA, you’re going to have some difficulty going forward. And with that, if any of those in-the-pipe projects fizzle, he’s toast.

But Sharron Angle might be looking for a press secretary…/

As Rein stated, he’s well known enough and rich enough that he’ll be doing his own projects

He wasn’t dumped back in 2006 when he went on his drunken tirade against jews. He still had work and people still worked with him
THATS the point I was making to Obdi when he stated
He’s not that well-liked in Hollywood. A lot of people will probably condemn him.
You know that Hollywood does have a hell of a lot of Jewish writers, actors, producers, agents, etc., right?

242 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:06:33am

re: #234 Killgore Trout

Maybe they’re pissed that we didn’t include a Sweet and sour pork recipe.

Hehehehe.
OK, so next time - whose assignment shall that be?

243 PT Barnum  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:07:55am

re: #240 reine.de.tout

I did.
“Post development” means a movie that was filmed some time ago, not recently necessarily.

I’ll wait to see what happens with the 3 that are “in development”. I think Gibson’s on the way down, and out. I know I’m not going to see his movies. And I usually liked them; but I just can’t support him, the man is crazy.

I’ve been pretty disturbed by every movie that Gibson has directed himself. He seems to be into violence porn, in making it as graphic as possible. From the disembowelment scene in Braveheart to the Passion of the Christ and Apocolypto, he seems to have a need to portray violence as graphically as possible to the point that it’s the point of the film.

244 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:09:12am

re: #240 reine.de.tout

I did.
“Post development” means a movie that was filmed some time ago, not recently necessarily.

I’ll wait to see what happens with the 3 that are “in development”. I think Gibson’s on the way down, and out. I know I’m not going to see his movies. And I usually liked them; but I just can’t support him, the man is crazy.

This sounds like a good time for Mel to use his talent and money and get together with Oliver Stone and his screen playing/directing ability and make a blockbuster.

You see, that’s the kind of association that would work, sans any support form agencies like WMA, or a major studio. Mel can pull the financial strings and Stone can put the production together.

You don’t have to go to the “Hollywood” establishment to make a movie.

245 PT Barnum  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:09:16am

re: #242 reine.de.tout

Hehehehe.
OK, so next time - whose assignment shall that be?

Is sweet and sour pork even authentically Chinese or is it something they concocted to placate American tastses.

246 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:10:28am

re: #243 PT Barnum

I’ve been pretty disturbed by every movie that Gibson has directed himself. He seems to be into violence porn, in making it as graphic as possible. From the disembowelment scene in Braveheart to the Passion of the Christ and Apocolypto, he seems to have a need to portray violence as graphically as possible to the point that it’s the point of the film.

Yes, there are several I have not seen for just that reason - I do not care to go to a movie to be grossed out by graphic violence. I want to relax and enjoy, maybe laugh … and some of his movies allowed me to do that. But I haven’t seen a Mel Gibson movie in a very long time, and won’t be anytime in the near future. I think he’s a seriously disturbed individual.

247 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:11:30am

re: #242 reine.de.tout

Hehehehe.
OK, so next time - whose assignment shall that be?

I’ll do it. I can do awesome Chinese food. It’s easy once you learn a few tricks.

248 lawhawk  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:11:38am

re: #241 sattv4u2

His success in Braveheart and Passion of the Christ meant that he could finance his own projects without the kind of support necessary on most other projects. It gives him a cushion to let him ride out the mess of his own creation up to a point.

If actors don’t want to work with him, then he’s going to have a hard time getting projects done.

If studios and movie theaters don’t want to promote or run his movies in distribution, then he’s going to have a problem getting them out there.

William Morris may have dumped his sorry ass, but that doesn’t mean some other agency wont pick him up and try to rehabilitate his image (which despite his racist and anti semitic rantings is still a filmmaker of significant vision) and knows how to direct and produce movies.

249 kirkspencer  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:11:46am

re: #241 sattv4u2

As Rein stated, he’s well known enough and rich enough that he’ll be doing his own projects

He wasn’t dumped back in 2006 when he went on his drunken tirade against jews. He still had work and people still worked with him
THATS the point I was making to Obdi when he stated
He’s not that well-liked in Hollywood. A lot of people will probably condemn him.
You know that Hollywood does have a hell of a lot of Jewish writers, actors, producers, agents, etc., right?

I’ll add to this. The bottom line in Hollywood is the bottom line. If you’re bringing in dollars, you can do and be pretty much anything you want. If you’re not bringing in the dollars, it doesn’t matter how nice or popular you are, nor what your politics and philosophies might be.

250 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:11:56am

re: #245 PT Barnum

Is sweet and sour pork even authentically Chinese or is it something they concocted to placate American tastses.

I think it’s concocted. I think most Chinese food served in the US is “concocted” for US tastes. Has to be. I would think the ingredients available to the average Chinese are not necessarily available here.

251 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:12:34am

re: #247 Killgore Trout

I’ll do it. I can do awesome Chinese food. It’s easy once you learn a few tricks.

Sounds good!
I’m collecting for the potential possible future Volume 3, so if you have something written up (or get it written up), I’ll take it anytime you want to send it on.

252 Slap  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:13:16am

re: #241 sattv4u2

That he would self-finance is probably true, I agree.

I can’t help but see him, nowadays, as professionally adrift with a shrinking industry support system. If he ends up having success with the films that are due to emerge, I’m sure the moneyed interests in H’wood will find plenty of reasons to look the other way.

But the further he’s separated from the internal powerflow, fewer of the insiders will associate themselves with him, from crew to actors.

But I’m sure he’ll be able to make one HELL of a movie starring Jon Voight, Michael Moriarty and Victoria Jackson at that point.

253 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:13:31am

re: #224 reine.de.tout

But the term “Hollywood” has long been used as shorthand for the group, “the movie industry in general”. C’mon.

And? My point is that group is not in any way, shape, or form, likely to all do anything the same way. That it’s long been used as shorthand doesn’t mean that use of shorthand is actually in any way accurate or good. I mean, that shorthand includes all directors, all actors, and all producers— not to mention the infinity of other types. It’s a group that stretches from Tim Robbins to Jack Abramoff.

254 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:14:05am

re: #245 PT Barnum

Is sweet and sour pork even authentically Chinese or is it something they concocted to placate American tastses.

Pretty much all of the Chinese food we get here is either Westernized inventions or adaptations of dished for wealthy people. The average Chinese person eats very little meat and it’s usually the lesser cuts (feet, organs, etc) or even bugs.

255 pharmmajor  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:17:12am

I’m really sick of the right-wingers who corrupted the Tea Party tainting everything.

256 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:17:42am

re: #253 Obdicut

And? My point is that group is not in any way, shape, or form, likely to all do anything the same way. That it’s long been used as shorthand doesn’t mean that use of shorthand is actually in any way accurate or good. I mean, that shorthand includes all directors, all actors, and all producers— not to mention the infinity of other types. It’s a group that stretches from Tim Robbins to Jack Abramoff.

OK.

257 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:19:34am

re: #256 reine.de.tout

OK.

Have you ever been to actual Hollywood, like, the street with stars?

If you haven’t, don’t— so fucking ugly, such a waste of time.

258 prairiefire  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:19:36am

re: #245 PT Barnum

Is sweet and sour pork even authentically Chinese or is it something they concocted to placate American tastses.

Cashew chicken was invented in Springfield, MO, IIRC.

259 pharmmajor  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:21:29am

“Democrats are the party of hate, Republicans are the party of fear” - Penn Jillette.

260 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:22:12am

re: #257 Obdicut

Have you ever been to actual Hollywood, like, the street with stars?

If you haven’t, don’t— so fucking ugly, such a waste of time.

No, I haven’t, and actually, have zero desire to do so.

If I ever get to California, it’s San Francisco I really want to see, not necessarily Los Angeles (but I wouldn’t rule it out completely, either)

261 lawhawk  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:24:05am

re: #260 reine.de.tout

Definitely see SF. Even get down to San Diego if you get a chance. LA wasn’t one of our favored destinations in CA; Hollywood is a disappointment and much of LA is sprawl, but the Getty Museum set up in the hills is nice, as is a drive along Mulholland Drive (great views of the LA basin - at least when it’s not smog-filled).

262 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:24:05am

re: #260 reine.de.tout

That’s the answer every San Franciscan hopes to hear.

If you do make it out to San Francisco, make sure to let me know. I’ll let you know the places to see the happy real San Francisco, instead of crowded aggravated tourist San Francisco.

263 kirkspencer  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:26:09am

re: #257 Obdicut

Have you ever been to actual Hollywood, like, the street with stars?

If you haven’t, don’t— so fucking ugly, such a waste of time.

grin - beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I’ve been to Mt. Rushmore several times, each time because I had the choice of going along or being left in the middle of nowhere when my transportation decided to add it as a stop. It bored me silly each time. “Oh, look, it’s a big statue. And for this we traveled the wilderness of South Dakota for four hours?”

264 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:33:00am

Morning Drive-by:

Do we have this yet: Breitbart to be featured at RNC event ?

tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com

265 harlequinade  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:34:11am

I lived in LA for a year and loved it! I was either in Pasadena or Venice. The walk from Venice to 3rd Street was gorgeous. The mountains are fantastic.

Downtown is pretty damn sketchy, but what downtown city isn’t. Though - I wish that was more the face of LA than 3rd Street - just so people knew. If I could fix it, I’d go back there.

San Francisco, on the other hand, is Europe in America. I love it there.


Hey all :)

266 darthstar  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:35:42am

re: #264 Decatur Deb

He’s appearing with Michael Steele, right? I can’t decide if it’s an attempt to make Breitbart look less racist or Steele’s just driving another nail into the party out of spite.

267 harlequinade  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:35:52am

re: #228 kirkspencer

Yes, though I was a non-member lurker at the time or I’d have commented then. Two points for consideration:

In the US (anti-war rallies) the protesters were called anarchists. I believe this a case of mislabeling. They objected to the war. They objected to Bush being president. They did not demand dismantling of part or all of government.

On the G8/G20, we have some self-identified anarchists who wish the dissolution of part/all of current governments. We also have people who are protesting against the rich becoming richer - demanding a redistribution of wealth. That’s not anarchy. In a brief (so I could be wrong) review of protests at US based meetings I see the latter, but not the former. In other words, we have a mislabeling again where a group is neither by self-identification nor by declaration of objective “anarchist”.

This! That was brilliant. And I totally agree. And that was also a really interesting conversation - where did that go?

268 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:35:55am

re: #264 Decatur Deb

Caught the sidebar. “Never Mind”. BBL

269 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:41:54am

re: #264 Decatur Deb

KT was all over it, as per usual. No harm in making sure, though!

270 darthstar  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:43:00am

Hey Walter! It looks like you’re getting another candidate for Governor…Tom Tancredo is going to save the day by running as a “Constitution Party” candidate.

271 The War TARDIS  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:44:06am

Apparently, Rush doesn’t like Fox News dropping the Shirley Sherrod story.

politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com

272 calochortus  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:46:00am

re: #260 reine.de.tout

And if you want to come a few miles down the peninsula and take some fabulous hikes in our “open spaces” drop me a note too. We can put together a fine lizard tour. With actual Western Fence lizards, if you’d like ;-)

273 dugmartsch  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:46:56am

You guys will love this straight out of 4chan one great troll inspires another:

Image: D303Al.jpg

en.wikipedia.org

The Oregon Tea Party Website is pretty epic too:

oregonteaparty.ning.com

“Ideological Agreement:

We intend to pass to posterity the system of protections memorialized in the US Constitution. To do so, we promote a virtuous, moral and committed people and leadership to inspire, empower, and activate support for Constitutional reconciliation through ongoing, patient, persistent local action.”

274 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:48:24am

re: #262 Obdicut

That’s the answer every San Franciscan hopes to hear.

If you do make it out to San Francisco, make sure to let me know. I’ll let you know the places to see the happy real San Francisco, instead of crowded aggravated tourist San Francisco.

Will do! I would love to see the happy real San Francisco!


re: #265 harlequinade

…

San Francisco, on the other hand, is Europe in America. I love it there.

Hey all :)

Sorta like New Orleans, but different?


re: #261 lawhawk

Definitely see SF. Even get down to San Diego if you get a chance. LA wasn’t one of our favored destinations in CA; Hollywood is a disappointment and much of LA is sprawl, but the Getty Museum set up in the hills is nice, as is a drive along Mulholland Drive (great views of the LA basin - at least when it’s not smog-filled).

Oh, I looked at a map of Mulholland Drive, it seems to just go on and on and one. That is one drive I would like to take.

275 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:48:52am

re: #270 darthstar

Hey Walter! It looks like you’re getting another candidate for Governor…Tom Tancredo is going to save the day by running as a “Constitution Party” candidate.

Hey Darthstar! It looks like we’re getting another candidate for Governor…Tom Tancredo is going to ruin the fucking race by running as a “Constitution Party” candidate.

I’m not sure if anyone out there is keeping track of the senatorial and governor races in Colorado, but a lot of the conservative voters and conservative pundits are NOT happy about the whole bunch of them.

Of course, the party leaders are trying to be supportive of their respective candidates, that’s normal, but the word on the street is not favorable among conservatives.

And Trancredo gets more support outside of this state than inside.

276 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:50:21am

re: #254 Killgore Trout

Pretty much all of the Chinese food we get here is either Westernized inventions or adaptations of dished for wealthy people. The average Chinese person eats very little meat and it’s usually the lesser cuts (feet, organs, etc) or even bugs.

Do Chinese ever eat dairy? I have a bunch of Asian cookbooks and none of them contain any dairy recipes. It made me wonder if Asians have a lactose intolerance.

277 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:50:45am

re: #263 kirkspencer

grin - beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I’ve been to Mt. Rushmore several times, each time because I had the choice of going along or being left in the middle of nowhere when my transportation decided to add it as a stop. It bored me silly each time. “Oh, look, it’s a big statue. And for this we traveled the wilderness of South Dakota for four hours?”

I’m afraid Mt. Rushmore would do the same to me; actually, anywhere that’s just wide open spaces with nothing inbetween for miles and miles and miles would drive me a bit batty I think, no matter how interesting the scenery.

278 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:51:33am

re: #272 calochortus

And if you want to come a few miles down the peninsula and take some fabulous hikes in our “open spaces” drop me a note too. We can put together a fine lizard tour. With actual Western Fence lizards, if you’d like ;-)

Will do, Thanks!

279 darthstar  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:51:57am

re: #275 Walter L. Newton

Aww…don’t piss in the porridge. You have to figure this will at least make the election more entertaining. The big question will be, “How much do Colorado voters hate the Democratic nominee?” Tancredo much? McInnis much?

280 dugmartsch  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:52:36am

re: #276 Alouette

Do Chinese ever eat dairy? I have a bunch of Asian cookbooks and none of them contain any dairy recipes. It made me wonder if Asians have a lactose intolerance.

en.wikipedia.org

Yeap, like 85%

281 darthstar  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:54:29am

re: #272 calochortus

And if you want to come a few miles down the peninsula and take some fabulous hikes in our “open spaces” drop me a note too. We can put together a fine lizard tour. With actual Western Fence lizards, if you’d like ;-)

Just the drive between San Francisco and Santa Cruz is worth a couple of hours…some pretty coastline there. Though going north on Highway 1 is also a good idea.

282 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:54:41am

Our next trip will be to DC sometime this fall. I’ve never been there, unbelievable, and I’ve always wanted to see it.

The Roi may end up being assigned - gee, somewhere, we’re not sure yet - but out of country, so he would work for 28 days, then be home for 28 days, and since I am retired, that would give us plenty of time to make some road trips.

I have a list of all the weird “roadside attractions” in different places (giant peanut, giant frog statue, giant ball of twine -LOL - maybe we can get a few of those in on these trips).

283 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:55:12am

re: #279 darthstar

Aww…don’t piss in the porridge. You have to figure this will at least make the election more entertaining. The big question will be, “How much do Colorado voters hate the Democratic nominee?” Tancredo much? McInnis much?

Sorry… ain’t gonna let you make a mountain out of something that is not happening here… good try. And Hickenlooper is not that much of a distasteful alternative for conservatives as governor, if need be.

284 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:56:19am

re: #251 reine.de.tout

Sounds good!
I’m collecting for the potential possible future Volume 3, so if you have something written up (or get it written up), I’ll take it anytime you want to send it on.

Here is the simplest (male-capable), most elegant, desert recipe in the world:

Open a can of pear halves.
Put each half in a pear-sized desert bowl.
Put a ball of Philly cream cheese or mascarpone in the hole in the pear half.
Pour the juice into each bowl.
Put a couple spoons of creme de menthe over each pear.
Keep it cold until you eat it.

No numbers, no temperatures, no conversions.

286 rwdflynavy  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:57:04am

re: #282 reine.de.tout

Our next trip will be to DC sometime this fall. I’ve never been there, unbelievable, and I’ve always wanted to see it.

The Roi may end up being assigned - gee, somewhere, we’re not sure yet - but out of country, so he would work for 28 days, then be home for 28 days, and since I am retired, that would give us plenty of time to make some road trips.

I have a list of all the weird “roadside attractions” in different places (giant peanut, giant frog statue, giant ball of twine -LOL - maybe we can get a few of those in on these trips).

Reine,
Let the lizards know before you come. There are a bunch of us in the DC area, maybe we could work a lunch or a dinner for the group!

288 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:57:18am

re: #284 Decatur Deb

Here is the simplest (male-capable), most elegant, desert recipe in the world:

Open a can of pear halves.
Put each half in a pear-sized desert bowl.
Put a ball of Philly cream cheese or mascarpone in the hole in the pear half.
Pour the juice into each bowl.
Put a couple spoons of creme de menthe over each pear.
Keep it cold until you eat it.

No numbers, no temperatures, no conversions.

I disagree. Breyers Mint Chocolate Chip is the simplest, most elegant dessert recipe in the world/

289 lawhawk  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:58:25am

re: #277 reine.de.tout

You’ve got to hit it at the right time. No crowds - at night with few people around perchance. It can be quite remarkable under those situations. But when you’ve got the crowds? Not so much.

Besides - the reason Mt. Rushmore was built in the first place was to be a tourist trap for the Black Hills. It was meant to get people to stop in and see the area.

And Crazy Horse is even larger and they’re not taking a dime of federal funds to get the project done.

290 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:58:26am

re: #276 Alouette

Do Chinese ever eat dairy? I have a bunch of Asian cookbooks and none of them contain any dairy recipes. It made me wonder if Asians have a lactose intolerance.

Not much that I’m aware of.in western China they do drink yak butter tea but that’s the only dairy I can remember seeing when I was there.

291 rwdflynavy  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:58:27am

BBLL.

292 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:58:33am

re: #282 reine.de.tout

Our next trip will be to DC sometime this fall. I’ve never been there, unbelievable, and I’ve always wanted to see it.

The Roi may end up being assigned - gee, somewhere, we’re not sure yet - but out of country, so he would work for 28 days, then be home for 28 days, and since I am retired, that would give us plenty of time to make some road trips.

I have a list of all the weird “roadside attractions” in different places (giant peanut, giant frog statue, giant ball of twine -LOL - maybe we can get a few of those in on these trips).

You can walk yourself to bits real quick in D.C. just doing the stuff right around the Mall and visiting Arlington Cemetery. You have to consider how much time you want to spend there and what additional stuff you want to see outside the immediate tourist-y things. Especially since Baltimore and Philadelphia are both fairly close to there as well and available as a side trip as well.

I’m also sure that Lizards can make good suggestions for places to see, and especially places for food and proper libations.

293 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:59:40am

re: #282 reine.de.tout

Our next trip will be to DC sometime this fall. I’ve never been there, unbelievable, and I’ve always wanted to see it.

The Roi may end up being assigned - gee, somewhere, we’re not sure yet - but out of country, so he would work for 28 days, then be home for 28 days, and since I am retired, that would give us plenty of time to make some road trips.

I have a list of all the weird “roadside attractions” in different places (giant peanut, giant frog statue, giant ball of twine -LOL - maybe we can get a few of those in on these trips).

If you come this way you will pass this:

google.com

294 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:59:51am

re: #290 Killgore Trout

Not much that I’m aware of.in western China they do drink yak butter tea but that’s the only dairy I can remember seeing when I was there.

That explains the lack of “cheese challenges” on Iron Chef…

295 darthstar  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 8:59:52am

re: #283 Walter L. Newton

Sorry… ain’t gonna let you make a mountain out of something that is not happening here… good try. And Hickenlooper is not that much of a distasteful alternative for conservatives as governor, if need be.

Aww…what about this tasty quote from Tancredo:

“They ask me all the time, ‘What is your favorite this? What is your favorite that? What is your favorite that?’ And one time, ‘What is your favorite word?’ And I said, ‘My favorite word? That is really easy. My favorite word is the Word, is the Word. And that is everything. It says it all for us. And you know the biblical reference, you know the Gospel reference of the Word.”
296 garhighway  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:00:31am

re: #284 Decatur Deb

Here is the simplest (male-capable), most elegant, desert recipe in the world:

Open a can of pear halves.
Put each half in a pear-sized desert bowl.
Put a ball of Philly cream cheese or mascarpone in the hole in the pear half.
Pour the juice into each bowl.
Put a couple spoons of creme de menthe over each pear.
Keep it cold until you eat it.

No numbers, no temperatures, no conversions.

Al Swearingen used to open a can of peaches for special occasions.

That is today’s Deadwood reference.

Please return to your usual programming.

297 darthstar  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:00:32am

re: #283 Walter L. Newton

And with that snarky reply I’ll stop. :)

298 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:02:16am

re: #295 darthstar

Aww…what about this tasty quote from Tancredo:

What ever. I wouldn’t mistake something coming out of Trancredo’s mouth… it’s all racist all the time… with a side order of neo-Nazi.

299 MJ  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:04:20am

Israeli spokesman responds to Oliver Stone’s antisemitism:

“…Israel’s public diplomacy minister, Yuli Edelstein, also condemned Stone’s remarks.

“They are nauseating, anti-Semitic and racist,” the Jerusalem Post quoted Edelstein as saying. “Not only is he showing ignorance, he is demonizing Jews for no reason and returning to the ‘Protocols of the Elders of Zion.’

“When a man of Stone’s stature speaks in this way, it can bring waves of anti-Semitism and anti-Israel sentiment, and may even damage Jewish communities and individuals…”

jta.org

300 darthstar  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:04:23am

re: #298 Walter L. Newton

What ever. I wouldn’t mistake something coming out of Trancredo’s mouth… it’s all racist all the time… with a side order of neo-Nazi.

Hm…you feeling okay?

301 harlequinade  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:05:36am

re: #274 reine.de.tout

Oh, I looked at a map of Mulholland Drive, it seems to just go on and on and one. That is one drive I would like to take.

Mulholland is ACE! And sooopah windy.

I’ve never been to New Orleans. I feel that’s remiss of me. I never even got to Vegas!

Still - it just means I’ll have to come back :)

302 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:07:07am

re: #301 harlequinade

Mulholland is ACE! And sooopah windy.

I’ve never been to New Orleans. I feel that’s remiss of me. I never even got to Vegas!

Still - it just means I’ll have to come back :)

i will take that as a compliment/

303 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:07:44am

BBL fur reel.

304 harlequinade  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:08:04am

re: #302 Aceofwhat?

wait, what?! It was! I loved being in the US, and curse the game’s industry that made me leave it.

305 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:08:52am

re: #300 darthstar

Hm…you feeling okay?

Fine…

306 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:12:01am

re: #251 reine.de.tout

Sounds good!
I’m collecting for the potential possible future Volume 3, so if you have something written up (or get it written up), I’ll take it anytime you want to send it on.

I am making Lebanese kibbeh for supper today. Zedushka is grumbling because he prefers Ashkenazi (Central European) cuisine.

I’m also working on a special project, converting recipes from my antique cookbooks for a modern kitchen.

307 darthstar  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:12:27am

re: #305 Walter L. Newton

Fine…

Then this quote from Wadhams, the GOP head in CO will make you feel even better…apparently on the radio this morning:

“What’s your agenda? What are you going to talk about? Impeach Obama and bomb Mecca?” Wadhams asked.

I’ll give the Tancredo candidacy a month.

308 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:13:14am

re: #306 Alouette

I am making Lebanese kibbeh for supper today. Zedushka is grumbling because he prefers Ashkenazi (Central European) cuisine.

I’m also working on a special project, converting recipes from my antique cookbooks for a modern kitchen.

That might be interesting added material for the future possible potential Volume 3.

309 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:14:13am

re: #304 harlequinade

wait, what?! It was! I loved being in the US, and curse the game’s industry that made me leave it.

Sigh.

You said that Mulholland was ACE!

…think about it…

310 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:15:36am

re: #293 Decatur Deb

If you come this way you will pass this:

[Link: www.google.com…]

The Boll Weevil monument sure is elaborate, considering!

The La. Dept of Agric here had a Boll Weevil eradication project for a few years. I think they managed to eradicate - but when I worked there, I can recall folks from other agencies laughing at me like crazy when I talked about Boll Weevil eradication.

311 harlequinade  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:16:51am

re: #309 Aceofwhat?

oh….OH!

I wonder if I can… find that… anywhere :)

312 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:17:00am

re: #286 rwdflynavy

Reine,
Let the lizards know before you come. There are a bunch of us in the DC area, maybe we could work a lunch or a dinner for the group!

sounds like a plan!

313 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:17:50am

re: #307 darthstar

I’ll give the Tancredo candidacy a month.

Our senior conservative talk show host, on the air over 25 years here on KOA, just stated that as soon as he get a chance, he will publicly ask Tancredo does he expect to even get 5 percent of the vote is there was NO OTHER CANDIDATE running.

And Rosen and Tancredo are friends in the general sense of the word (although they certainly don’t agree on a lot politically.)

314 garhighway  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:17:58am

re: #288 Aceofwhat?

I disagree. Breyers Mint Chocolate Chip is the simplest, most elegant dessert recipe in the world/

Cherry Garcia. End of story.

By the way, the Grateful Dead exhibit at the NY Historical Society is worth seeing for those of you in the Tri-State Area.

315 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:18:26am

re: #284 Decatur Deb

Here is the simplest (male-capable), most elegant, desert recipe in the world:

Open a can of pear halves.
Put each half in a pear-sized desert bowl.
Put a ball of Philly cream cheese or mascarpone in the hole in the pear half.
Pour the juice into each bowl.
Put a couple spoons of creme de menthe over each pear.
Keep it cold until you eat it.

No numbers, no temperatures, no conversions.

Got it.

316 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:21:35am

re: #314 garhighway

Cherry Garcia. End of story.

By the way, the Grateful Dead exhibit at the NY Historical Society is worth seeing for those of you in the Tri-State Area.

fruit in ice cream < chocolate in ice cream

it’s science/

317 garhighway  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:24:13am

re: #316 Aceofwhat?

fruit in ice cream < chocolate in ice cream

it’s science/

Cherry Garcia = fruit + chocolate + ice cream.

Your move.

318 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:25:00am

re: #317 garhighway

Cherry Garcia = fruit + chocolate + ice cream.

Your move.

What if you made Cherry Garcia into a cheesecake?

319 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:25:49am

I haven’t been following the Journolist stuff but this doesn’t surprise me…..
“The List” of Journolist Participants is Fake

320 Four More Tears  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:26:13am

re: #284 Decatur Deb

Here is the simplest (male-capable), most elegant, desert recipe in the world:

Open a can of pear halves.
Put each half in a pear-sized desert bowl.
Put a ball of Philly cream cheese or mascarpone in the hole in the pear half.
Pour the juice into each bowl.
Put a couple spoons of creme de menthe over each pear.
Keep it cold until you eat it.

No numbers, no temperatures, no conversions.

Could you dumb it down a bit?

/

321 calochortus  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:26:56am

re: #294 oaktree

That explains the lack of “cheese challenges” on Iron Chef…

Actually cheese isn’t all that high in lactose. Which is good because I just fed chicken lasagna to my daughter, her husband and his parents, 3 out of 4 of whom are Chinese. And my daughter is moderately lactose intolerant.
I did think about the menu before I served that particular dish, though.

322 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:28:58am

re: #318 EmmmieG

What if you made Cherry Garcia into a cheesecake?

If someone else makes it into cheesecake, i’m there! But “making into cheesecake” seems higher-maintenance than just scooping ice cream into a bowl;)

323 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:29:43am

re: #317 garhighway

Cherry Garcia = fruit + chocolate + ice cream.

Your move.

fruit is a negative integer in that equation, methinks…

324 calochortus  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:29:57am

re: #319 Killgore Trout

I’m shocked, shocked, I tell you.

325 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:30:15am

re: #322 Aceofwhat?

If someone else makes it into cheesecake, i’m there! But “making into cheesecake” seems higher-maintenance than just scooping ice cream into a bowl;)

Yes, but chocolate-covered cherry cheesecake would be worth the effort.

326 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:33:22am

re: #319 Killgore Trout

I haven’t been following the Journolist stuff but this doesn’t surprise me…
“The List” of Journolist Participants is Fake

Article makes a bunch of good points.

Including: If this is an email list of journalists strategizing how to push leftist stuff in the media, that implies that the mass media is not actually leftists or they wouldn’t have to plot about it.


In fact, in one of the first stories that The Daily Caller ran, they share e-mails from the list about anger toward George Stephanopoulos for asking about Rev. Wright during the 2008 debates. Well, if they run the media, why didn’t the liberals just get George not to ask that question? Why did the so-called liberal media ask such a conservative question in the first place? If it’s a conspiracy why won’t Stephanopoulos listen to them?

In other words, why won’t the liberal media listen to the liberal media?

Now, for the extra irony — one of the other questions Stephanopoulos asked in that same debate was planted by … Sean Hannity. Stephanopoulos was on Hannity’s show when pressed about Obama’s connection to Bill Ayers and decided that he would ask it in the debate. So, is there then a conservative media conspiracy?

327 The War TARDIS  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:33:59am

For anyone interested, the situation between Colombia and Venezuela seems to be getting worse. Chavez is saying some interesting things.

en.wikipedia.org

The reason I dislike Chavez so much is his hypocrisy. He claims to be so much for the common person, but his administration is incredibly corrupt and has a staggering amount of nepotism. His quashing of dissent is just as infuriating. Finally, even though he claims to help the poor, a few years ago there was an outbreak of illness in the Warao tribe in the country. When medical researchers brought this to the attention of the central government, they got disrespect from every level of government.

en.wikipedia.org

328 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:36:21am

re: #321 calochortus

Actually cheese isn’t all that high in lactose. Which is good because I just fed chicken lasagna to my daughter, her husband and his parents, 3 out of 4 of whom are Chinese. And my daughter is moderately lactose intolerant.
I did think about the menu before I served that particular dish, though.

True. But I think it never evolved as a consistent ingredient in Oriental* cuisine since you’d need to be into herding animals for milk before you got into making cheese with it as a way to preserve it (so to speak).

* - I expect that western China and Mongolia would possibly have some dairy-based cuisine since there are herding cultures there. Wikipedia indicates that Mongolian cuisine is heavily into dairy products and has scanty use of vegetables. Go figure.

329 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:38:15am

Hi lizards, everyone have a good weekend?

330 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:38:21am

re: #328 oaktree

The lactose gene pretty much maps to the prehistoric availability of milk-producing herd animals, yeah.

331 Kragar  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:43:33am

But I thought the Tea Partiers liked straight talkers who tell it like it is?

332 garhighway  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:45:10am

re: #331 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

But I thought the Tea Partiers liked straight talkers who tell it like it is?

You’re funny.

I like that.

333 lawhawk  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:45:16am

re: #329 NJDhockeyfan

Sure did. Hope yours was pretty good too.

334 Kragar  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:46:05am

re: #332 garhighway

You’re funny.

I like that.

Funny haha or funny hmmm?

335 calochortus  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:49:12am

re: #328 oaktree

Yup, there would be a lot of milk “by-product” to deal with if they couldn’t drink it. My question is how my northern European genes, mixed with my husband’s northern European genes could have produced a lactose-intolerant daughter? (And yeah, I do know it exists in the gene pool even there.)

336 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:52:00am

re: #333 lawhawk

Sure did. Hope yours was pretty good too.

It was OK. Spent most of the weekend in the air conditioned house. The friggin heat was too much.

337 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:54:55am

re: #326 Obdicut

If this is an email list of journalists strategizing how to push leftist stuff in the media, that implies that the mass media is not actually leftists or they wouldn’t have to plot about it.

That’s why i’ve largely thought this was going to end up being a relative nontroversy, but OTOH, i’ll need more then Cent Uygur’s word for it to dismiss it entirely.

The problem with your statement is that it’s intelligent and logical, two adjectives i don’t normally associate with run-of-the mill journalists.

338 lawhawk  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:55:15am

re: #336 NJDhockeyfan

Yeah, the weather was pretty harsh until after the storms passed through yesterday afternoon (and left quite the mess in its wake), but the weather today is quite nice.

339 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 9:56:14am

re: #338 lawhawk

Yeah, the weather was pretty harsh until after the storms passed through yesterday afternoon (and left quite the mess in its wake), but the weather today is quite nice.

It’s much better here today too. The storms missed my area. I could have used the rain but downed trees are not missed.

340 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 11:07:52am

re: #215 MandyManners

Did you see any of the threads Charles has posted over the years about anarchists at anti-war rallies or rallies against various G-8/G-20 meetings?

Are you under the impression that those people vote for Democrats?

341 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 26, 2010 11:12:27am

re: #276 Alouette

Do Chinese ever eat dairy? I have a bunch of Asian cookbooks and none of them contain any dairy recipes. It made me wonder if Asians have a lactose intolerance.

There are some Asian cuisines that use some dairy—Indian, Tibetan—but nearly all Chinese cooking doesn’t. The day someone raised on a solely Chinese diet discovers cheese is usually a bad day. The realization that the world contains literally millions of people who eat rotted milk FOR FUN can blow the Han mind.


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