Charles JohnsonFollow @Green_FootballsThe Iranian government has been holding three American activists for an entire year, accusing them of espionage. Barrett Brown has more details: Iran Has Detained Three Americans for a Year.
This Friday a demonstration is planned in New York City to bring more attention to these US citizens held captive by Iranian theocrats; here’s the organizers’ website: freethehikers.org.
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_RememberTonyC Tue, Jul 27, 2010 2:18:18pm |
iran’s mullahs are all about taking and holding innocent Americans as hostages. they actually appear to have it in their DNA …
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Fozzie Bear Tue, Jul 27, 2010 2:19:16pm |
re: #1 _RememberTonyC
iran’s mullahs are all about taking and holding innocent Americans as hostages. they actually appear to have it in their DNA …
I think that they think it gives them leverage. I also think such thinking is patently retarded.
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Obdicut Tue, Jul 27, 2010 2:19:57pm |
I cannot imagine enduring a year of imprisonment. I can’t even imagine enduring a week.
I hope they’re alive and well.
I can’t access the webpage this links go to: my Websense says its spam.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Jul 27, 2010 2:20:20pm |
Takes me back to high school. The hostage crisis.
Totally different, but it still takes me back there.
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Cato the Elder Tue, Jul 27, 2010 2:20:21pm |
And meanwhile, France has declared war on al Qaeda.
Things are looking up.
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_RememberTonyC Tue, Jul 27, 2010 2:22:55pm |
Should our president speak up more forcefully on their behalf and speak the truth about their situation? Namely that they are being held “hostage?”
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brookly red Tue, Jul 27, 2010 2:24:08pm |
/Why are they holding the demonstration in NYC? They should hold it in a place where a crowd with draw attention…
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Bob Levin Tue, Jul 27, 2010 2:24:51pm |
Remember that modern Iran was founded on the principle that they can do anything and get away with it.
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Randall Gross Tue, Jul 27, 2010 2:25:25pm |
3 Americans, a full year, no right wing outrage….
/meanwhile they have time to be upset over Obama’s address to the BSA….
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Cato the Elder Tue, Jul 27, 2010 2:25:36pm |
I can’t tell you all how much I’m enjoying the David Niven version of the movie “Around the World in Eighty Days”.
So many amazing location shots: England, France, India, Spain, Thailand and Japan, and, of course, America.
And it makes me miss the British Empire. In a good way.
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windsagio Tue, Jul 27, 2010 2:25:48pm |
re: #6 _RememberTonyC
Except things like this happen occasionally (was the girl held by North Korea a ‘hostage’?) We can’t be living in 1979 all the time.
I mean it sucks, and its a bad policy on Irans part, but its hardly unique or special… and its in no way like a normal hostage situation.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Jul 27, 2010 2:26:06pm |
re: #6 _RememberTonyC
Honestly? I don’t know. They trespassed on sovereign soil… Does the US have anyone incarcerated for crossing the border illegally?
Serious question.
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Randall Gross Tue, Jul 27, 2010 2:26:54pm |
re: #12 windsagio
Except things like this happen occasionally (was the girl held by North Korea a ‘hostage’?) We can’t be living in 1979 all the time.
I mean it sucks, and its a bad policy on Irans part, but its hardly unique or special… and its in no way like a normal hostage situation.
There wasn’t any right wing outrage over that either, because the Americans in question were affiliated with an Al Gore venture…
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DaddyG Tue, Jul 27, 2010 2:27:02pm |
Its kind of sad that hundreds and thousands of pages of press have been dedicated to Lindsey Lohans well deserved time out while this story can’t even get dredged by Drudge.
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Jul 27, 2010 2:27:21pm |
This is fucking terrible. How come the press or our government have not talked about it? I never new about this.
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MrSilverDragon Tue, Jul 27, 2010 2:27:31pm |
I still remember growing up on the outskirts of Tehran back in the early ’70s as a young child, coming back to the states, hearing about the hostage crisis a few years, and asking my parents if our neighbors were still our friends.
It still gets me how much things have changed over the last 4 decades.
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Fozzie Bear Tue, Jul 27, 2010 2:27:45pm |
I heard about this a year ago, and haven’t since.
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Cato the Elder Tue, Jul 27, 2010 2:28:07pm |
re: #5 Cato the Elder
And meanwhile, France has declared war on al Qaeda.
Things are looking up.
Of course, we can now expect a slew of typical “the French are cowards” comments.
My bet is that they’ll use the Foreign Legion for this one.
I knew a German gentleman who fell in with bad company as a youth and joined the French Foreign Legion to get himself straightened out. He was my friend, but there was one guy you seriously did not want to mess with.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Jul 27, 2010 2:28:28pm |
re: #16 NJDhockeyfan
The Iranians allowed the mothers to visit last month. It’s getting some airtime.
The kid being caned in Singapore got a lot more press though.
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windsagio Tue, Jul 27, 2010 2:28:45pm |
re: #16 NJDhockeyfan
This is fucking terrible. How come the press or our government have not talked about it? I never new about this.
Dude what? I catch about 30 minutes of network news a day at work (the day shift likes it on and they get there before I leave), and I’ve been seeing news stories about it since it happened!
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Fozzie Bear Tue, Jul 27, 2010 2:29:13pm |
re: #8 Bob Levin
Remember that modern Iran was founded on the principle that they can do anything and get away with it.
Modern Iran was one of the more secular and liberal places in the middle east for a time. That changed with their revolution, thanks in no small part to the U.S.
Don’t forget how we got where we are, in pondering where best to go from here.
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_RememberTonyC Tue, Jul 27, 2010 2:29:26pm |
re: #13 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Honestly? I don’t know. They trespassed on sovereign soil… Does the US have anyone incarcerated for crossing the border illegally?
Serious question.
there is a lot of doubt as to whether they were arrested in iranian territory or on the iraqi side of the border.
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windsagio Tue, Jul 27, 2010 2:30:01pm |
re: #22 Fozzie Bear
Their revolution was more based on kicking out hideous foreignly-appointed dictators that were running their nation like a police state.
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brookly red Tue, Jul 27, 2010 2:30:03pm |
re: #20 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
The Iranians allowed the mothers to visit last month. It’s getting some airtime.
The kid being caned in Singapore got a lot more press though.
yes the silence is odd…
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wee fury Tue, Jul 27, 2010 2:30:17pm |
They did get a visit.
[Link: www.startribune.com…]
TEHRAN, Iran - The mothers of three Americans jailed in Iran for 10 months left for home Friday, getting one last chance to embrace their children but failing to secure their immediate release.
In a glimmer of hope, Iran announced that two of its nationals held in Iraq by U.S. forces for years were freed Friday. The release raised the possibility that a behind-the-scenes swap was in the offing or that their release was a gesture of goodwill in an attempt to free the Americans.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Jul 27, 2010 2:30:28pm |
re: #11 Cato the Elder
I can’t tell you all how much I’m enjoying the David Niven version of the movie “Around the World in Eighty Days”.
So many amazing location shots: England, France, India, Spain, Thailand and Japan, and, of course, America.
And it makes me miss the British Empire. In a good way.
Nothing was filmed in India.
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MrSilverDragon Tue, Jul 27, 2010 2:30:33pm |
re: #20 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
The Iranians allowed the mothers to visit last month. It’s getting some airtime.
The kid being caned in Singapore got a lot more press though.
And the kid in Singapore deserved it, in my opinion. YMMV.
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jamesfirecat Tue, Jul 27, 2010 2:30:38pm |
re: #11 Cato the Elder
I can’t tell you all how much I’m enjoying the David Niven version of the movie “Around the World in Eighty Days”.
So many amazing location shots: England, France, India, Spain, Thailand and Japan, and, of course, America.
And it makes me miss the British Empire. In a good way.
“You all yearn to be treated that badly that politely once more.”
John Oliver.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Jul 27, 2010 2:30:49pm |
re: #23 _RememberTonyC
Yeah. No one knows.
But, you wouldn’t find me hiking within a hundred kilometers of a country like Iran.
To be fair though, you won’t see me hiking through a National Forest in the USA either.
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windsagio Tue, Jul 27, 2010 2:30:59pm |
re: #25 brookly red
its really not. There’s a blip on the news when something changes… otherwise the story would be ‘yup, they’re still being held! Now for weather.’
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Jul 27, 2010 2:31:15pm |
Related?
Pink Floyd’s Another Brick in the Wall reworked for Iranian protest
Exiled brothers urge Ayatollah Ali Khamenei to ‘leave those kids alone’ in YouTube hit
It is unlikely that Iran’s supreme leader has ever muttered the words “absolute rubbish, laddie” while checking a schoolboy’s homework, but a figure resembling Ayatollah Ali Khamenei does feature in a reworking of a Pink Floyd anthem that has been renamed Another Brick in the Wall (Hey Ayatollah, Leave Those Kids Alone!).
The new version – sung by Blurred Vision, two Iranian-born brothers living in exile in Canada – has become a YouTube phenomenon, attracting more than 100,000 hits on the online video site.
The brothers, whose family fled Iran after the 1979 Islamic Revolution, and who will not give their surname through fear of reprisals against family members who remain in the country, say the reworked protest song, and the viral success of its video, is acting as a rallying cry for Iranian youth.
The video intercuts footage of the band’s performance with images of street violence following Iran’s disputed elections last year.
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Obdicut Tue, Jul 27, 2010 2:31:16pm |
re: #16 NJDhockeyfan
This is fucking terrible. How come the press or our government have not talked about it? I never new about this.
Because, mainly, if you’re stupid enough to trespass into Iran, you can expect them to arrest you and detain you.
I have sympathy for these people. Obviously they should be released. However, it was still an amazingly dumb breach of common sense.
There are people being held in US jails for simple possession of marijuana. It’s unjust that they’re being held. It’s not a surprise, however.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Jul 27, 2010 2:32:30pm |
re: #19 Cato the Elder
Of course, we can now expect a slew of typical “the French are cowards” comments.
My bet is that they’ll use the Foreign Legion for this one.
I knew a German gentleman who fell in with bad company as a youth and joined the French Foreign Legion to get himself straightened out. He was my friend, but there was one guy you seriously did not want to mess with.
This is going to make my trip to Paris in Jan. much more exciting. Especially if there is any “in country” antics being carried out.
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windsagio Tue, Jul 27, 2010 2:33:12pm |
re: #34 Walter L. Newton
Strange thing; despite what everyone says, the people in Paris are like SUPER nice.
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brookly red Tue, Jul 27, 2010 2:33:16pm |
re: #31 windsagio
its really not. There’s a blip on the news when something changes… otherwise the story would be ‘yup, they’re still being held! Now for weather.’
I suppose you are right… but what if they really are spies? It sure would suck in a PR kinda way.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jul 27, 2010 2:33:32pm |
re: #6 _RememberTonyC
Should our president speak up more forcefully on their behalf and speak the truth about their situation? Namely that they are being held “hostage?”
This is a fairly recent article. The Iranians generally give such people back, either as a ‘gracious’ gesture, or in exchange for something they want.
I don’t know, honestly. Part of me would like to hear Obama give the Iranians what-for loudly, and part of me knows that the important part of these conversations do not make it to the newspaper.
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Jul 27, 2010 2:33:47pm |
re: #21 windsagio
Dude what? I catch about 30 minutes of network news a day at work (the day shift likes it on and they get there before I leave), and I’ve been seeing news stories about it since it happened!
Is this about those hikers? If so I stand corrected. I know about them.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Jul 27, 2010 2:34:08pm |
re: #35 windsagio
Strange thing; despite what everyone says, the people in Paris are like SUPER nice.
Why are you telling me this?
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albusteve Tue, Jul 27, 2010 2:34:53pm |
re: #38 NJDhockeyfan
Is this about those hikers? If so I stand corrected. I know about them.
yes, the boobs ran aground on the wrong side of the border
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windsagio Tue, Jul 27, 2010 2:35:04pm |
re: #38 NJDhockeyfan
yeah those 3.
I was wondering, I admit… but now we’re on the same page :p
re: #36 brookly red
It would! Not sure what they’d be spying on up there tho’! Probably still just some dumb kids that were somewhere they shouldn’t (given the vagueness of the border, somewhere they shouldn’t is ANYWHERE NEAR FREAKING IRAN!)
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albusteve Tue, Jul 27, 2010 2:35:22pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jul 27, 2010 2:35:31pm |
re: #16 NJDhockeyfan
This is fucking terrible. How come the press or our government have not talked about it? I never new about this.
It’s been in the press all year, and the administration’s been talking to Iran regularly.
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windsagio Tue, Jul 27, 2010 2:35:34pm |
re: #39 Walter L. Newton
random reminisce. Also so you know, if you didn’t :)
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jul 27, 2010 2:36:53pm |
re: #18 Fozzie Bear
I heard about this a year ago, and haven’t since.
I’ve seen periodic updates. Their mothers were permitted to visit them in Tehran in May, so there was a uptick in coverage then.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Jul 27, 2010 2:37:26pm |
re: #44 windsagio
random reminisce. Also so you know, if you didn’t :)
I know my way around Paris like a native… have been there 6 times in the last 9 years… use public transportation all around town (Metro, RER, buses), stay in 2 star local hotels, eat where the locals eat… I love the city… actually I love France.
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Gus Tue, Jul 27, 2010 2:37:31pm |
A lot depends on who the family knows, connections, net worth, etc. That determines the amount of PR or press coverage you will get for your family members that may be jailed in rogue nations like Iran or North Korea. This is true with these three as well as Aijalon Mahli Gomes who was sentenced to 8 years in North Korea.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jul 27, 2010 2:38:37pm |
re: #23 _RememberTonyC
there is a lot of doubt as to whether they were arrested in iranian territory or on the iraqi side of the border.
Can’t nobody prove nothing either way.
Nor do I care, I’d like them home, thank you very much.
(When Lee and Ling were being held in North Korea, I went farther—I said I didn’t care if they’d crossed the border willingly and were eating the bodies of the border guards they’d murdered when they were caught, I wanted them returned to the U.S. tout sweet.)
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jul 27, 2010 2:38:55pm |
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brookly red Tue, Jul 27, 2010 2:38:59pm |
re: #41 windsagio
yeah those 3.
I was wondering, I admit… but now we’re on the same page :p
re: #36 brookly redIt would! Not sure what they’d be spying on up there tho’! Probably still just some dumb kids that were somewhere they shouldn’t (given the vagueness of the border, somewhere they shouldn’t is ANYWHERE NEAR FREAKING IRAN!)
well they were Berkley grads & I don’t think Berkley is high on the list of CIA recruitment schools… maybe they were with PETA or something?
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hellosnackbar Tue, Jul 27, 2010 2:40:21pm |
I heard the mother of one of the incarcerated girls on the BBC world service.
Her expressed suffering brought tears to my eyes.
The Iranian regime is criminal and uncivilised.
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brookly red Tue, Jul 27, 2010 2:40:27pm |
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Political Atheist Tue, Jul 27, 2010 2:40:40pm |
re: #24 windsagio
Yup. So then they could do away with those awful liberal “western” (really just human) values and have their very own police state. Not exactly a Islamic or Persian paradise under the Ayatollahs now is it? The secular folks there would love to have the old government back. Just ask them, if you know a few expats.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Jul 27, 2010 2:40:57pm |
re: #48 windsagio
Good! Then I just envy you :p
Well, not if a Metro station gets blown up in Paris while I’m there. Why couldn’t Sarkozy wait until after my vacation. First time I was there in 2001, they were still patrolling the subway stations with AK-47’s… and the last time I went, ventured out to the suburbs to see where the heavy Muslim populations lived (great food out in those neighborhoods, by the way, nice break from all that everyday French food).
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jul 27, 2010 2:41:16pm |
re: #51 brookly red
well they were Berkley grads & I don’t think Berkley is high on the list of CIA recruitment schools… maybe they were with PETA or something?
Berkeley is a damn fine school. I wouldn’t be surprised if the CIA recruits from there routinely.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jul 27, 2010 2:41:34pm |
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William Barnett-Lewis Tue, Jul 27, 2010 2:42:15pm |
re: #41 windsagio
Probably still just some dumb kids that were somewhere they shouldn’t (given the vagueness of the border, somewhere they shouldn’t is ANYWHERE NEAR FREAKING IRAN!)
That’s just it, I have a hard time feeling sorry for someone who goes hiking on the Iran/Iraq boarder. I thought conservatives were against a Nanny state? Well, let these folks darwin themselves…
//a little bit, but only a little.
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_RememberTonyC Tue, Jul 27, 2010 2:42:20pm |
re: #30 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Yeah. No one knows.
But, you wouldn’t find me hiking within a hundred kilometers of a country like Iran.
To be fair though, you won’t see me hiking through a National Forest in the USA either.
based on the story Charles posted, it seems they were more likely idealistic youths who were probably too naive to be afraid of the danger they placed themselves in.
gotta run for the day …. later all!
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Obdicut Tue, Jul 27, 2010 2:42:30pm |
re: #56 SanFranciscoZionist
Berkeley is a damn fine school. I wouldn’t be surprised if the CIA recruits from there routinely.
They do. So does the NSA. Berkeley has a hell of a math department, and a hell of a poli-sci department.
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Bob Levin Tue, Jul 27, 2010 2:42:52pm |
re: #22 Fozzie Bear
I know how we got here. But the hostage situation went on for over a year, and they got away with it. They even received a bonus of military technology. They’ve extended their reach to other countries, blew up a Jewish community center in Argentina, armed Hezbollah, taken over Lebanon, and a host of other activities. They’ve brutally dealt with protesters without any serious repercussions, and the UN and the US can’t think of any way to respond. Which is why they think they can get away with it.
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Jul 27, 2010 2:43:48pm |
re: #50 SanFranciscoZionist
You really haven’t been seeing press coverage of this?
Where is the press coverage? I didn’t seen much at first and nothing since the parents visited.
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windsagio Tue, Jul 27, 2010 2:44:04pm |
re: #54 Rightwingconspirator
Wouldn’t be the first revolution that went wrong >>
And expats aren’t necessarily the ones to ask, because if they left at the time of the revolution they were generally old regime.
I’m not saying that the current Gov’t of Iran isn’t awful themselves, but rather that its crazy to say that they had a revolution to ‘do whatever they wanted’, when in fact it was to get rid of a hideously repressive dictator.
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Aceofwhat? Tue, Jul 27, 2010 2:44:32pm |
re: #58 wlewisiii
That’s just it, I have a hard time feeling sorry for someone who goes hiking on the Iran/Iraq boarder. I thought conservatives were against a Nanny state? Well, let these folks darwin themselves…
//a little bit, but only a little.
Conservatives, like liberals, like to close ranks and defend our brothers and sisters from undeserved harm.
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Cato the Elder Tue, Jul 27, 2010 2:44:41pm |
re: #35 windsagio
Strange thing; despite what everyone says, the people in Paris are like SUPER nice.
True story: I was once staying in Paris with a German friend, and I was super depressed about the end of a love affair.
So he and I are walking down some boulevard or other, and I’m telling him how my life is crushed, I can’t go on, it’s time to make an end of it all.
And a passing French dame in full haut-couture regalia pauses, and says to me in perfectly sweet French-accented perfect German, “The Seine is just over there.”
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brookly red Tue, Jul 27, 2010 2:45:08pm |
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Obdicut Tue, Jul 27, 2010 2:45:53pm |
re: #62 NJDhockeyfan
Original:
[Link: abclocal.go.com…]
[Link: www.csmonitor.com…]
Six months later:
[Link: sfist.com…]
Recently:
[Link: www.washingtontimes.com…]
Took five seconds to find on Google.
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windsagio Tue, Jul 27, 2010 2:46:11pm |
re: #67 brookly red
Naturally we don’t know, except there was almost nothing out there, and its a weird way to try to use a spy.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Jul 27, 2010 2:46:28pm |
re: #65 Cato the Elder
True story: I was once staying in Paris with a German friend, and I was super depressed about the end of a love affair.
So he and I are walking down some boulevard or other, and I’m telling him how my life is crushed, I can’t go on, it’s time to make an end of it all.
And a passing French dame in full haut-couture regalia pauses, and says to me in perfectly sweet French-accented perfect German, “The Seine is just over there.”
I hate when they do that.
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McSpiff Tue, Jul 27, 2010 2:46:36pm |
re: #40 albusteve
replied to ya on last thread. Summary: Don’t be stupid and get yourself banned.
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Obdicut Tue, Jul 27, 2010 2:46:38pm |
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goddamnedfrank Tue, Jul 27, 2010 2:47:11pm |
re: #62 NJDhockeyfan
Where is the press coverage? I didn’t seen much at first and nothing since the parents visited.
Did you know that the Google News Archive has a timeline function for tracking stories?
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windsagio Tue, Jul 27, 2010 2:47:53pm |
re: #72 Obdicut
That’s the long and the short of it, yeah.
Not sure what they hope to achieve really tho’
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William Barnett-Lewis Tue, Jul 27, 2010 2:48:04pm |
re: #63 windsagio
Wouldn’t be the first revolution that went wrong >>
And expats aren’t necessarily the ones to ask, because if they left at the time of the revolution they were generally old regime.
I’m not saying that the current Gov’t of Iran isn’t awful themselves, but rather that its crazy to say that they had a revolution to ‘do whatever they wanted’, when in fact it was to get rid of a hideously repressive dictator.
Let’s not forget that far too many of those hideous stories over the past year out of Iran have had to do with evils invented/perfected by SAVAK under the Shah.
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sagehen Tue, Jul 27, 2010 2:48:22pm |
re: #13 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Honestly? I don’t know. They trespassed on sovereign soil… Does the US have anyone incarcerated for crossing the border illegally?
Serious question.
We pick them up by the thousands, but usually we just send them back where they came from.
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brookly red Tue, Jul 27, 2010 2:48:42pm |
re: #69 windsagio
Naturally we don’t know, except there was almost nothing out there, and its a weird way to try to use a spy.
well who knows, and I don’t mean spy in the James Bond sense, but that is the Kurdish area and anything is possible… I guess we will need to wait & see, no?
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brookly red Tue, Jul 27, 2010 2:49:42pm |
re: #72 Obdicut
Well, they’re not innocent of improperly entering Iran.
However, it’s still obviously unjust to hold them this long for that ‘crime’. Iran is using them as bargaining chips, like the assholes they are.
well true that
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windsagio Tue, Jul 27, 2010 2:49:47pm |
re: #78 brookly red
The most likely scenario is still that they were dumb kids and that this is an ill-advised negotiating tactic on the part of Iran.
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Jul 27, 2010 2:50:37pm |
re: #73 goddamnedfrank
Did you know that the Google News Archive has a timeline function for tracking stories?
If I had a decent internet service I probably would have found that. I am getting most of my news from the TV news stations and this story just isn’t as interesting as Lindsey Lohan I guess.
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Judith Tue, Jul 27, 2010 2:50:51pm |
re: #61 Bob Levin
I agree, given their proxy is still holding Gilad Shalit, in vioaltion of every international and humanitarian law for a whole lot longer. Why shouldn’t Iran do this? They suffer no consequences.
I was offered $10,000USD prize and a chance to address an Iranian university for one of the papers. The Irnians who invited me regarded it as a real honor. I said I am not going to Iran and I am not taking this prize because
a) I am a woman and while I will cover up voluntarily I will not cover up when forced to do so.
b) I am a Jew which makes personna non-grata
c) I am a Canadian and I have not forgotten what had been done to the Canadian Zahra Kazemi who was raped to death in one of their prisons.
Your text to link…
My would be hosts were really really shocked about my refusal. They couldn’t quite believe it. They kept saying if I came to Iran I would be protected, this was not the right thing for me to do. They were really upset.
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brookly red Tue, Jul 27, 2010 2:50:59pm |
re: #80 windsagio
The most likely scenario is still that they were dumb kids and that this is an ill-advised negotiating tactic on the part of Iran.
yes most likely…
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Political Atheist Tue, Jul 27, 2010 2:52:09pm |
re: #63 windsagio
The expats I do know came over more recently. Not from the old regime at all. Some are Jewish families that left under severe pressure, and the rest are secular folks that left to make a better life here.
Went wrong? It went precisely as expected. If you understand what Ayatollah means. The Shah was out and the Ayatollah was in. He promised the end of SAVAK. He just failed to mention the Bassiji. And so on. Out with the secular bad guy in with the theocratic bad guys. Perfect from a “caliphate” perspective.
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Cato the Elder Tue, Jul 27, 2010 2:53:23pm |
re: #70 Walter L. Newton
I hate when they do that.
Actually, my friend and I both broke out in roaring laughter, and that was the end of my post-post-adolescent whining.
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Political Atheist Tue, Jul 27, 2010 2:53:51pm |
re: #75 wlewisiii
So the point of bringing in the Ayatollah was…? To implement the same.
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Jerk Tue, Jul 27, 2010 2:54:01pm |
A year without a trial in Iran is actually considered good luck. It delays the inevitable faux-trial and stoning.
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albusteve Tue, Jul 27, 2010 2:54:31pm |
re: #71 McSpiff
replied to ya on last thread. Summary: Don’t be stupid and get yourself banned.
nice, thanks
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webevintage Tue, Jul 27, 2010 2:55:32pm |
re: #73 goddamnedfrank
Did you know that the Google News Archive has a timeline function for tracking stories?
How do you get it to do the timeline function?
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albusteve Tue, Jul 27, 2010 2:55:37pm |
re: #72 Obdicut
Well, they’re not innocent of improperly entering Iran.
However, it’s still obviously unjust to hold them this long for that ‘crime’. Iran is using them as bargaining chips, like the assholes they are.
of course, therefore we should trade them their own refinery for the hostages
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goddamnedfrank Tue, Jul 27, 2010 2:55:38pm |
re: #81 NJDhockeyfan
If I had a decent internet service I probably would have found that. I am getting most of my news from the TV news stations and this story just isn’t as interesting as Lindsey Lohan I guess.
It gives an even better idea of the number of articles if I set it to 100 results per page. The Archive is an incredibly useful way to track media zeitgeist.
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Cato the Elder Tue, Jul 27, 2010 2:55:39pm |
re: #82 Judith
Personally, I think you should have gone.
It was a golden opportunity to speak truth to people who would be astounded to hear it. And you could have done a demonstrative Oriana Fallaci thing with the burka, had they even tried to force you to wear one.
I would go to any country on earth if given the chance, and tell them exactly what my real impressions were.
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Judith Tue, Jul 27, 2010 2:55:45pm |
re: #87 Jerk
Given that if you are imprisoned the prison staff can rape you anytime you want as part of the perks of their job….no. (And they rape men as well as women.)
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Jul 27, 2010 2:56:05pm |
Iranian president Ahmadinejad denounces superstitious West over Paul the Octopus
Germans want to eat him, Spaniards want to beatify him and bookmakers want to hire him.
But Paul the Octopus is a symbol of all that is wrong with the Western world, according to Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.
Paul became a global celebrity when he correctly predicted the result of all seven German World Cup matches and Spain’s victory over Holland in the final.
He did so by choosing one of two boxes labelled with a team’s national flag in his tank, each of which contained a mussel.
The octopus, which lives at an aquarium in Oberhausen, Germany, was mentioned by Ahmadinejad several times during a speech in Tehran at the weekend.
He said Paul spread ‘Western propaganda and superstition’.
‘Those who believe in this type of thing cannot be the leaders of the global nations that aspire, like Iran, to human perfection, basing themselves in the love of all sacred values,’ he added.
Paul represents decadence and decay among Iran’s enemies, the president said.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Jul 27, 2010 2:56:21pm |
re: #16 NJDhockeyfan
This is fucking terrible. How come the press or our government have not talked about it? I never new about this.
How have you missed this story?
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windsagio Tue, Jul 27, 2010 2:57:18pm |
re: #95 WindUpBird
he was confused, in his defense he made a correction lower down.
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McSpiff Tue, Jul 27, 2010 2:57:52pm |
re: #84 Rightwingconspirator
I know religious (Muslim) Iranians who aren’t keen on the current regime. Those goons just aren’t that good at running a country.
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brookly red Tue, Jul 27, 2010 2:57:58pm |
re: #96 windsagio
he was confused, in his defense he made a correction lower down.
/that sounds painful…
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Judith Tue, Jul 27, 2010 2:58:15pm |
re: #92 Cato the Elder
I think I made a profound impression by telling them exactly why I was not coming. And I did consult with the Canadian equivalent of the state department first and they advised me in the strongest possible terms to absolutely not go, stating I would be at high risk for being declared a Zionist spy and arrested and vanish. There’s brave, and then there’s foolhardy.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Jul 27, 2010 2:58:23pm |
re: #95 WindUpBird
How have you missed this story?
More important things to do then worry about radical Islam every day.
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Aceofwhat? Tue, Jul 27, 2010 2:58:24pm |
re: #94 NJDhockeyfan
I liked Barrett’s take on it better…
Wacky Muslim Denounces Wacky Europeans for Wacky Octopus Thing
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Jul 27, 2010 2:58:47pm |
re: #73 goddamnedfrank
That is righteous! I never knew that!
I’m going to go plug in weird stories and watch the bar graphs now *_*
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Jul 27, 2010 2:59:44pm |
re: #100 Walter L. Newton
More important things to do then worry about radical Islam every day.
hahaha I pay attention to the news and I have a good memory, this was a big story, the narrative that seems to be floating that the media doesn’t care, not seeing it
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Obdicut Tue, Jul 27, 2010 2:59:53pm |
re: #99 Judith
Roxana Saberi is a friend of a friend, so I’d say you were wise not to go.
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goddamnedfrank Tue, Jul 27, 2010 3:00:39pm |
re: #89 webevintage
How do you get it to do the timeline function?
Enter your search normally. Then when the results come back, click “Archives” on the left where it says:
Past hour
Past day
Past week
Past month
2010
2009
Archives
Then click on “search other dates” and enter in your own range.
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Political Atheist Tue, Jul 27, 2010 3:00:57pm |
re: #97 McSpiff
The overwhelming consensus is the Shah was more likely to reform than the Theocrats. As the Shah brought secular changes the Islamics freaked & got brutal. Sound familiar? The Shah responded in kind and then some. Also pretty familiar ground, no?
Irrelevant now they are at least as screwed over there as under the Shah. Except now they are far more likely to be attacked by Israel and or the USA. They reap what they sow.
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webevintage Tue, Jul 27, 2010 3:01:45pm |
re: #105 goddamnedfrank
Enter your search normally. Then when the results come back, click “Archives” on the left where it says:
Thank you!
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windsagio Tue, Jul 27, 2010 3:01:53pm |
re: #106 Rightwingconspirator
I… thats crazy
I think I’ll just go out and get a haircut instead of pursuing this.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jul 27, 2010 3:02:59pm |
re: #62 NJDhockeyfan
Where is the press coverage? I didn’t seen much at first and nothing since the parents visited.
I don’t know, in the news. I read the San Francisco Chronicle, the NYT online, whatever pops up on AOL…
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Jul 27, 2010 3:03:21pm |
re: #106 Rightwingconspirator
wow, defending the fucking Shah?
What, has Oceania always been at war with Eurasia too?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Jul 27, 2010 3:04:38pm |
re: #106 Rightwingconspirator
this is actually the craziest thing I’ve read all week
The overwhelming consensus
and this in particular is just a transparent, blinding lie
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Jul 27, 2010 3:04:53pm |
re: #107 windsagio
ZING!
I’m glad some of us do :)
You caught the back reference. Good… if a person is really spiffy with a good memory, comments that connect back references can be a whole lot of fun… if the connection is missed… I come off sounding like an idiot… it’s the chances I have to take as a professional concerned troll.
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Jul 27, 2010 3:05:36pm |
Iranian Authorities Pressure Prominent Lawyer By Holding Family Members ‘Hostage’
“Today I was again contacted after being interrogated, I was summoned through a telephone call. I don’t know what the problem is this time. At any rate, tomorrow I have to go to the Evin prosecutor’s office. Maybe they will arrest me, I don’t know.”
That message posted by Mohammad Mostafaei on his blog on July 23 is the last heard from the Iranian lawyer, who represents an Iranian woman whose execution by stoning was recently postponed following an international outcry.
Mostafaei is believed to have gone into hiding after an arrest warrant was issued for him, according to colleagues and activists familiar with the case.
And with no Mostafaei to be found, the Iranian authorities have resorted to taking his wife and brother-in-law “hostage” to pressure him to turn himself in, their lawyer claims.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jul 27, 2010 3:06:13pm |
re: #67 brookly red
re: #60 Obdicut
so then maybe they are not so innocent after all?
I don’t know. Sending a group of idiot-looking grad students to hike around the Iranian frontier seems like a pretty bad scheme to me, and I haven’t seen any evidence that they were spying. I take their story at face value, with a slight grain of salt, and hope that things get sorted out.
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McSpiff Tue, Jul 27, 2010 3:06:44pm |
re: #106 Rightwingconspirator
I’m not sure who you talk to you, but no, that’s not an overwhelming consensus I’ve seen from anyone who’s seriously studied the region. About the only good thing you can say about the Shah is he was very much pro-West compared to pro-Soviet.
The idea that the Islamists (again, not a label used by anyone who seriously studies these guys… they are all Islamic) somehow stopped the Shah (who was himself installed in a coup) from making the transition to something like a secular western democracy and instead forced him down the route of a secret police state is… well, insane.
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Obdicut Tue, Jul 27, 2010 3:06:52pm |
re: #106 Rightwingconspirator
The overwhelming consensus is the Shah was more likely to reform than the Theocrats. As the Shah brought secular changes the Islamics freaked & got brutal. Sound familiar? The Shah responded in kind and then some. Also pretty familiar ground, no?
This is not, actually, at all a good description of what occurred. This is revisionist in the extreme. The Shah did not start out a good-hearted secularizer. Sheesh.
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reine.de.tout Tue, Jul 27, 2010 3:07:26pm |
re: #111 WindUpBird
wow, defending the fucking Shah?
What, has Oceania always been at war with Eurasia too?
re: #113 WindUpBird
this is actually the craziest thing I’ve read all week
and this in particular is just a transparent, blinding lie
Whoa!
RWC is describing what I recall too, that’s a long time ago.
I don’t think he was ‘defending’ the shah; it looked to me like an explanation, not a defense.
If historical perspective now gives a different view of that situation - well, maybe some of us just haven’t kept up.
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ointmentfly Tue, Jul 27, 2010 3:07:57pm |
I have to say that although it is absolute bullshit that the Iranians have not released them, probably the absolute worst place on a very large planet to go hiking in 2009, second only to the rim of an active volcano wearing banana peel shoes, would be the Iran / Iraq border.
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reine.de.tout Tue, Jul 27, 2010 3:08:38pm |
re: #118 Obdicut
This is not, actually, at all a good description of what occurred. This is revisionist in the extreme. The Shah did not start out a good-hearted secularizer. Sheesh.
Did RWC say that the Shah was a good-hearted secularizer?
I didn’t see that in his post.
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McSpiff Tue, Jul 27, 2010 3:09:58pm |
re: #121 reine.de.tout
Did RWC say that the Shah was a good-hearted secularizer?
I didn’t see that in his post.
Maybe not good hearted, but yes he did say the shah was attempting to bring in secular changes.
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sagehen Tue, Jul 27, 2010 3:11:24pm |
re: #106 Rightwingconspirator
The overwhelming consensus is the Shah was more likely to reform than the Theocrats. As the Shah brought secular changes the Islamics freaked & got brutal. Sound familiar? The Shah responded in kind and then some. Also pretty familiar ground, no?
Irrelevant now they are at least as screwed over there as under the Shah. Except now they are far more likely to be attacked by Israel and or the USA. They reap what they sow.
They had a secular democracy at one time, with an elected leader (cough*mossadegh*cough) who the US didn’t like. That’s why we supported his overthrow and reinstalled the monarchy.
Let me rephrase. An elected leader who the American oil companies didn’t like.
There was massive, well-justified, popular resentment of the Shah and his policies and methods and backers — but the good and rational alternatives were all dead by the time the anti-Shah groundswell was big enough for an overthrow. So they (and we) got stuck with a notgood and notrational alternative, ‘cause they were just so desperate for any alternative at all.
We reap what we sow.
It’s called blowback.
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Obdicut Tue, Jul 27, 2010 3:12:18pm |
re: #121 reine.de.tout
Did RWC say that the Shah was a good-hearted secularizer?
I didn’t see that in his post.
He said:
As the Shah brought secular changes the Islamics freaked & got brutal. Sound familiar? The Shah responded in kind and then some.
Which, to me, places the blame on the Islamics, for reacting with brutality to ‘secular changes’.
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reine.de.tout Tue, Jul 27, 2010 3:13:01pm |
re: #122 McSpiff
Maybe not good hearted, but yes he did say the shah was attempting to bring in secular changes.
That is what I recall, as well.
I don’t actually have a lot of knowledge about this situation; but RWC was offering, I thought, his recollection of a situation, and got jumped on as being “revisionist”. I think if someone else has a counter-point to make, or a different view to offer, well, I wish they would. But just accusing RWC of some nefarious revisionism is - odd, IMO.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jul 27, 2010 3:13:33pm |
re: #100 Walter L. Newton
More important things to do then worry about radical Islam every day.
I don’t know if I’d file this under ‘radical Islam’. To me it goes in the ‘Iranians play hardball politics with whatever comes to hand’ file.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jul 27, 2010 3:14:21pm |
re: #104 Obdicut
Roxana Saberi is a friend of a friend, so I’d say you were wise not to go.
We got really lucky getting her back so quickly. I had hopes that these kids would be released in the same way.
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reine.de.tout Tue, Jul 27, 2010 3:14:37pm |
re: #124 Obdicut
Which, to me, places the blame on the Islamics, for reacting with brutality to ‘secular changes’.
Well. Seems to me some did. Did they not keep a whole embassy full of people hostage for more than a year? Seems pretty brutal to me.
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darthstar Tue, Jul 27, 2010 3:15:25pm |
re: #35 windsagio
Strange thing; despite what everyone says, the people in Paris are like SUPER nice.
The people who say otherwise either obviously haven’t been to Paris, or limited their contact with French people to the hawkers selling plastic Eiffel Towers.
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goddamnedfrank Tue, Jul 27, 2010 3:15:32pm |
re: #106 Rightwingconspirator
The overwhelming consensus is the Shah was more likely to reform than the Theocrats. As the Shah brought secular changes the Islamics freaked & got brutal. Sound familiar? The Shah responded in kind and then some. Also pretty familiar ground, no?
Irrelevant now they are at least as screwed over there as under the Shah. Except now they are far more likely to be attacked by Israel and or the USA. They reap what they sow.
The Shah wasn’t put in place to counter Theocrats though, was he. No, he was put in because Mossaddegh proved to be too much of a leftist for the oil industry.
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researchok Tue, Jul 27, 2010 3:17:38pm |
Former FBI agent, Robert Levinson, went missing in Iran in March 2007.
He’s really off the radar.
More here.
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Obdicut Tue, Jul 27, 2010 3:17:41pm |
re: #125 reine.de.tout
I’m not accusing him of nefarious revisionism. Just revisionism.
The Shah’s “White Revolution” contained secularization, but it wasn’t secularization. Like most large-scale, sweeping changes imposed by an autocrat, it was mainly about solidifying his own power.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Jul 27, 2010 3:17:42pm |
re: #129 darthstar
The people who say otherwise either obviously haven’t been to Paris, or limited their contact with French people to the hawkers selling plastic Eiffel Towers.
The Tour Eiffel is made of plastic?
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darthstar Tue, Jul 27, 2010 3:18:35pm |
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reine.de.tout Tue, Jul 27, 2010 3:20:21pm |
re: #132 Obdicut
I’m not accusing him of nefarious revisionism. Just revisionism.
The Shah’s “White Revolution” contained secularization, but it wasn’t secularization. Like most large-scale, sweeping changes imposed by an autocrat, it was mainly about solidifying his own power.
of course it was.
Again, I don’t really know about what led up to the Shah gaining power, etc.
I am interested in hearing more like this:
re: #130 goddamnedfrank
Than just having folks yell bullshit.
The Shah wasn’t put in place to counter Theocrats though, was he. No, he was put in because Mossaddegh proved to be too much of a leftist for the oil industry.
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Obdicut Tue, Jul 27, 2010 3:20:32pm |
re: #128 reine.de.tout
Well. Seems to me some did. Did they not keep a whole embassy full of people hostage for more than a year? Seems pretty brutal to me.
And? The way the Shah rose to power was brutal.
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Eclectic Infidel Tue, Jul 27, 2010 3:20:47pm |
Oh yeah. 3 lefty activists. I remember this story. From what I read last year, they weren’t doing so well in captivity. Although I think their politics suck, they don’t deserve this.
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Obdicut Tue, Jul 27, 2010 3:22:13pm |
re: #135 reine.de.tout
The Shah came to power in a CIA-inspired military coup, which was done for two reasons:
A) We thought that the soviets were gaining influence there
B) They were nationalizing the oil industry and our corporations (and Britain’s) didn’t like that.
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Aceofwhat? Tue, Jul 27, 2010 3:23:02pm |
re: #113 WindUpBird
and this in particular is just a transparent, blinding lie
meh. i’m with Reine on this. disagree with RWC all you want, but the “lie” thing is just like peeing on a campfire - it doesn’t really achieve anything, and it smells awful…
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Political Atheist Tue, Jul 27, 2010 3:23:37pm |
re: #111 WindUpBird
re: #118 Obdicut
Not sure what your argument with me is here.
I am not defending the Shah. I’ll take the heat for my neighbors opinion, glad to share it. It’s speculation anyway as to what “would” have happened.
The Shah tried to secularize the nation. Given who lives there in a religious fanatic context, the result was predictable. Violence. By the same “stone to death” assholes who run the place now. Secularizing a religiously fanatical nation is not a bad thing, given a sane method. I did point out the Shah responded with violence AND THEN SOME. So for those of you that see this as a defense of the Shah, well you read me wrong, I shared my neighbors (and a few others) opinions I asked for.
So sorry the expat Iranians I took the time to have long discussion with don’t share your opinions in the matter. well they lived it they have the right to their feelings. Anyone who thinks I made this up can simply screw themselves.
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McSpiff Tue, Jul 27, 2010 3:23:56pm |
re: #125 reine.de.tout
That is what I recall, as well.
I don’t actually have a lot of knowledge about this situation; but RWC was offering, I thought, his recollection of a situation, and got jumped on as being “revisionist”. I think if someone else has a counter-point to make, or a different view to offer, well, I wish they would. But just accusing RWC of some nefarious revisionism is - odd, IMO.
Well, personally his comment stood for me because the history of the Shah and Iranian revolution was taught to me along the lines of: “Here’s what the US public was told, and here’s what actually happened”. He presented the first and not the latter.
The timeline and general picture RWC painted has been discredited for at least twenty years. The CIA and the US was a large backer of the Shah and his extremely brutal secret police, the SAVAK, and as long as the oil was not nationalized (the reason for the coup) and he stayed pro-West, he was pretty much free to run Iran however he choose. He wasn’t reformist forcing out Theocrats. He was essentially a puppet (Wester Intelligence services were instrumental in the coup and the setting up of his secret police) forcing out leftist/nationalist government.
re: #128 reine.de.tout
Well. Seems to me some did. Did they not keep a whole embassy full of people hostage for more than a year? Seems pretty brutal to me.
The SAVAK was more Image: Adbusters_78_Blowback_11Corpses.jpg rather than Image: 444-days-hostage-crisis.jpg . Yes the Iranian hostage crisis was horrible, but that in no way dimishes what the Shah did to Iran.
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ointmentfly Tue, Jul 27, 2010 3:24:00pm |
re: #130 goddamnedfrank
He was going to nationalize the oil industry, so we took a shot at not letting that happen and the Islamists did it anyway. Big deal.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Jul 27, 2010 3:24:41pm |
re: #134 darthstar
And it fits onto a keychain.
Like I said up thread, I’ve been to PAris (and around France) 6 times n the last 9 years, and not once have I purchased a plastic anything as a souvenir. The first artifact I purchased as a “remembrance” of one of my trips was a 1830 5 franc coin of Louis Philippe, for me, that’s a real souvenir, bringing back a piece of the actual history of the country.
I’ve purchased antique books from the booksellers along the Seine, medieval artifacts from merchants in eastern France, handicrafts from artisans… that’s a real souvenir.
A piece of plastic made in China… no way.
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Obdicut Tue, Jul 27, 2010 3:24:55pm |
re: #140 Rightwingconspirator
The problem is that the Shah did not respond with violence. He started out in a military coup.
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Political Atheist Tue, Jul 27, 2010 3:25:16pm |
Some folks have way too much faith in Wikipedia’s version of history.
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goddamnedfrank Tue, Jul 27, 2010 3:26:15pm |
re: #142 ointmentfly
He was going to nationalize the oil industry, so we took a shot at
not letting that happensubverting democracy and the Islamists did it anyway.Big dealLose - Lose.
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freetoken Tue, Jul 27, 2010 3:26:34pm |
re: #130 goddamnedfrank
The Shah wasn’t put in place to counter Theocrats though, was he. No, he was put in because Mossaddegh proved to be too much of a leftist for the oil industry.
Sadly, this isn’t the only example of the oil industry steering American foreign policy.
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Political Atheist Tue, Jul 27, 2010 3:26:55pm |
re: #144 Obdicut
Look, I’m done. Sharing seriously contrary views of others here is just an uphill battle, and need not be. I’ll save that level of effort for my own opinions.
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McSpiff Tue, Jul 27, 2010 3:27:06pm |
re: #140 Rightwingconspirator
And I know several Iranian families that saw the Shah for what he was, a brutal dictator put in place to stop nationalization and return Iranian to the Western Sphere. Should we do a head count to decide who’s right?
Yes, much of this was in fact done in secret. Your friends are apparently wrong. No need to get pissy, and I’d suggest doing some research before trying to pass off a neighbor’s opinion as “overwhelming consensus” next time.
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windsagio Tue, Jul 27, 2010 3:27:52pm |
re: #145 Rightwingconspirator
Some folks have way too much faith in Wikipedia’s version of history.
/driveby
Well that’s a pretty unpleasant thing to say.
We’ll bow to your superior knowledge (lol) always, oh great master of history!
/gone again.
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Obdicut Tue, Jul 27, 2010 3:28:02pm |
re: #145 Rightwingconspirator
Some folks have way too much faith in Wikipedia’s version of history.
Um, do you think it’s just according to Wikipedia that there was a military coup?
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Aceofwhat? Tue, Jul 27, 2010 3:28:10pm |
re: #141 McSpiff
Well, personally his comment stood for me because the history of the Shah and Iranian revolution was taught to me along the lines of: “Here’s what the US public was told, and here’s what actually happened”. He presented the first and not the latter.
Bullshit. He stated that he was relating the perspective of ex-Iranian friends. Look, i’m all for disagreement…this isn’t an echo chamber. But get hooked on phonics.
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tradewind Tue, Jul 27, 2010 3:28:20pm |
re: #120 ointmentfly
According to the article, they’re practically candidates for sainthood.
I do feel for them, but you have to wonder at the judgement thing. You don’t need a TSA sign at an airport to know that hiking Iran off-grid is pretty dangerous.
Hope they make it back safely, but I doubt that dinnerjacket’s going to be swayed by a demonstration. He’s used to them.
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tradewind Tue, Jul 27, 2010 3:29:37pm |
re: #145 Rightwingconspirator
Even MSNBC anchors are on the record warning about doing that.
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McSpiff Tue, Jul 27, 2010 3:29:56pm |
re: #152 Aceofwhat?
Bullshit. He stated that he was relating the perspective of ex-Iranian friends. Look, i’m all for disagreement…this isn’t an echo chamber. But get hooked on phonics.
The overwhelming consensus is the Shah was more likely to reform than the Theocrats. As the Shah brought secular changes the Islamics freaked & got brutal. Sound familiar? The Shah responded in kind and then some. Also pretty familiar ground, no?
Irrelevant now they are at least as screwed over there as under the Shah. Except now they are far more likely to be attacked by Israel and or the USA. They reap what they sow.
Emphasis mine. That’s factual wrong, as in the statement is not true, and its also nothing close to a consensus. You’ll also notice its no where attributed to neighbors.
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Obdicut Tue, Jul 27, 2010 3:30:09pm |
re: #148 Rightwingconspirator
Look, I’m done. Sharing seriously contrary views of others here is just an uphill battle, and need not be. I’ll save that level of effort for my own opinions.
I have no problem with you saying that the Shah tried to secularize. I have no problem with you saying that the clergy responded virulently, and that it started radicalization and violent resistance.
However, given that the Shah took power in a violent military coup, and given that the Shah’s ‘secularization’ regime was mainly about consolidating his own power, I don’t think the view you’ve transmitted here is in the least bit valid.
You can share the view all you want. Expect me to share mine right back at you.
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ointmentfly Tue, Jul 27, 2010 3:30:37pm |
re: #146 goddamnedfrank
So the Islamists were simply reacting to our trampling of the great Iranian democracy and not taking advantage of the situation for the ends they so desired?
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Aceofwhat? Tue, Jul 27, 2010 3:30:43pm |
re: #149 McSpiff
in his defense, when people tell me that i said A, when in reality i said B, i get pissy too.
i don’t necessarily disagree with your summary of the situation. but i’ll be damned if RWC gets branded as the one who got personal and petty here.
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albusteve Tue, Jul 27, 2010 3:30:57pm |
re: #148 Rightwingconspirator
Look, I’m done. Sharing seriously contrary views of others here is just an uphill battle, and need not be. I’ll save that level of effort for my own opinions.
agreed…it’s no fun after a bit
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Aceofwhat? Tue, Jul 27, 2010 3:32:28pm |
re: #155 McSpiff
Emphasis mine. That’s factual wrong, as in the statement is not true, and its also nothing close to a consensus. You’ll also notice its no where attributed to neighbors.
why, does he have to repeat that he’s sharing what he heard from his neighbors in every single post in order to help us remember it?
like i said. disagree with him all you want. just do it honestly.
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McSpiff Tue, Jul 27, 2010 3:32:32pm |
re: #156 Obdicut
re: #158 Aceofwhat?
Again I quote for you from RWC
The overwhelming consensus is the Shah was more likely to reform than the Theocrats. As the Shah brought secular changes the Islamics freaked & got brutal. Sound familiar? The Shah responded in kind and then some. Also pretty familiar ground, no?
Irrelevant now they are at least as screwed over there as under the Shah. Except now they are far more likely to be attacked by Israel and or the USA. They reap what they sow.
I don’t mind people talking out of their ass, but that’s stating something as much more than your or your neighbor’s opinion.
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Summer Seale Tue, Jul 27, 2010 3:32:40pm |
re: #11 Cato the Elder
I can’t tell you all how much I’m enjoying the David Niven version of the movie “Around the World in Eighty Days”.
So many amazing location shots: England, France, India, Spain, Thailand and Japan, and, of course, America.
And it makes me miss the British Empire. In a good way.
A woman?? In The Club???
This truly is the end….
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Jul 27, 2010 3:32:53pm |
re: #153 tradewind
According to the article, they’re practically candidates for sainthood.
I do feel for them, but you have to wonder at the judgement thing. You don’t need a TSA sign at an airport to know that hiking Iran off-grid is pretty dangerous.
Hope they make it back safely, but I doubt that dinnerjacket’s going to be swayed by a demonstration. He’s used to them.
I’m not sure how much this has to do with politics, ideology or just entitlement mentality. This may sound silly, but it may be as simple as they thought they had every right in the world to climb what they want to climb, hike where they wanted to hike.
We have hikers and climbers in my own area who get totally up in arms if someone who has private property around here, with a shear granite face, don’t like the idea that these people want to traipse all around their property, with the chance of injury and so on.
I’ve actually had conversation s with these hiker and climbers, and they way they see it, they are entitled to hike and climb where they feel nature calls.
So, it’s not impossible that this crew was simply that naive.
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Aceofwhat? Tue, Jul 27, 2010 3:33:08pm |
re: #156 Obdicut
I have no problem with you saying that the Shah tried to secularize. I have no problem with you saying that the clergy responded virulently, and that it started radicalization and violent resistance.
However, given that the Shah took power in a violent military coup, and given that the Shah’s ‘secularization’ regime was mainly about consolidating his own power, I don’t think the view you’ve transmitted here is in the least bit valid.
You can share the view all you want. Expect me to share mine right back at you.
McSpiff - like this.
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Kronocide Tue, Jul 27, 2010 3:33:27pm |
re: #10 Thanos
3 Americans, a full year, no right wing outrage…
/meanwhile they have time to be upset over Obama’s address to the BSA…
Uh… what is the BSA?
/rhetorical
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Obdicut Tue, Jul 27, 2010 3:34:30pm |
re: #158 Aceofwhat?
It does get a bit weird when you’re referring not to the person’s argument, but the argument he’s relaying. The English language isn’t that great for those sort of tangled referents.
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Aceofwhat? Tue, Jul 27, 2010 3:35:06pm |
re: #161 McSpiff
re: #158 Aceofwhat?
Again I quote for you from RWC
I don’t mind people talking out of their ass, but that’s stating something as much more than your or your neighbor’s opinion.
Again, it’s more properly read in context as “The overwhelming consensus [among expat Iranians] is that…”
Better idea…next time when you aren’t sure, just ask the author to clarify. Then you don’t look like a boob when you jump on them without justification.
heh…boob…
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Aceofwhat? Tue, Jul 27, 2010 3:36:00pm |
re: #166 Obdicut
It does get a bit weird when you’re referring not to the person’s argument, but the argument he’s relaying. The English language isn’t that great for those sort of tangled referents.
agree completely. but if we did this via teleconference, we’d have a whole different mess on our hands/
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albusteve Tue, Jul 27, 2010 3:36:32pm |
re: #168 Aceofwhat?
agree completely. but if we did this via teleconference, we’d have a whole different mess on our hands/
makeup would just kill the thread
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tradewind Tue, Jul 27, 2010 3:36:37pm |
….and Gilad Shalit still languishes where?
I know, he’s not American. Just saying things are tough all over.
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Political Atheist Tue, Jul 27, 2010 3:36:51pm |
re: #149 McSpiff
And I know several Iranian families that saw the Shah for what he was, a brutal dictator put in place to stop nationalization and return Iranian to the Western Sphere. Should we do a head count to decide who’s right?
Yes, much of this was in fact done in secret. Your friends are apparently wrong. No need to get pissy, and I’d suggest doing some research before trying to pass off a neighbor’s opinion as “overwhelming consensus” next time.
I see the misunderstanding.
I was referring to their consensus. The ten or so folks I have had that conversation with. Being that they lived there, I did come to have some faith in their opinions. Namely the current regime is no better for the nation than the Shah. I believe them on that. As to history, well views differ even given the established facts and time lines.
What made me pissy was to have it implied that I made up these conversations.
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albusteve Tue, Jul 27, 2010 3:37:21pm |
re: #170 tradewind
…and Gilad Shalit still languishes where?
I know, he’s not American. Just saying things are tough all over.
Gaza…which should be occupied by the IDF til he is returned
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Aceofwhat? Tue, Jul 27, 2010 3:38:11pm |
re: #169 albusteve
makeup would just kill the thread
i was thinking more about how in the hell we could all manage to shut up long enough to listen to a single person talk…there are drawbacks to this medium, but one of the benefits is that we can all yell at each other at the same time without cutting each other off…
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darthstar Tue, Jul 27, 2010 3:38:39pm |
re: #168 Aceofwhat?
agree completely. but if we did this via teleconference, we’d have a whole different mess on our hands/
I think it would be something like this:
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tradewind Tue, Jul 27, 2010 3:39:01pm |
re: #163 Walter L. Newton
And they ‘d probably file a lawsuit if they fell and were injured on the property.//
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Political Atheist Tue, Jul 27, 2010 3:39:06pm |
re: #150 windsagio
Wiki has it’s faults. No need to bob and weave in and out like a boxer. Wiki has plenty of perspective far more questionable than the facts listed. Fast and available does not necessarily equal accuracy.
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albusteve Tue, Jul 27, 2010 3:39:08pm |
re: #174 Aceofwhat?
i was thinking more about how in the hell we could all manage to shut up long enough to listen to a single person talk…there are drawbacks to this medium, but one of the benefits is that we can all yell at each other at the same time without cutting each other off…
well I like a fast thread with a couple subjects at once
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Jul 27, 2010 3:39:25pm |
re: #175 darthstar
I think it would be something like this:
[Video]
I probably would have to wear something other than my thong?
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Obdicut Tue, Jul 27, 2010 3:39:40pm |
re: #167 Aceofwhat?
That’s not true either, though. I know a large ex-pat Iranian community who loathe the Shah with every fiber of their being. I don’t know a single one who likes the Shah.
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albusteve Tue, Jul 27, 2010 3:39:58pm |
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albusteve Tue, Jul 27, 2010 3:40:31pm |
re: #179 Walter L. Newton
I probably would have to wear something other than my thong?
what do you need a thong for Tarzan?
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Obdicut Tue, Jul 27, 2010 3:40:42pm |
re: #171 Rightwingconspirator
The current regime is probably just as bad or worse for the country as the Shah, sure.
However, the way the Shah came into power is just as bad, corrupt, and terrible as the way the current regime came into power. That is a really important point.
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goddamnedfrank Tue, Jul 27, 2010 3:40:49pm |
re: #157 ointmentfly
So the Islamists were simply reacting to our trampling of the great Iranian democracy and not taking advantage of the situation for the ends they so desired?
Fuck that’s stupid. No, the point is that our subverting democracy was bound both to backfire on us, and to prime those disenfranchised human beings for radicalization.
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Aceofwhat? Tue, Jul 27, 2010 3:41:07pm |
re: #175 darthstar
great, now i’m going to spend the next half-hour wondering which muppet best represents which lizard/
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reine.de.tout Tue, Jul 27, 2010 3:42:00pm |
re: #136 Obdicut
And? The way the Shah rose to power was brutal.
Yes. That has not been denied anywhere, that I can see.
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Political Atheist Tue, Jul 27, 2010 3:42:45pm |
re: #151 Obdicut
Um, do you think it’s just according to Wikipedia that there was a military coup?
Nice try, but really I refer to things far less clear. Like the Shahs motivations to secularize the country. Boy I sure made a liar out of myself with “I’m done”. Heh. Ducking in and out is just not my style of posting when time permits. I tend to give more weight in my mind to people who lived there than Wiki. Or the LA Times. Or Juan Cole for that matter.
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Obdicut Tue, Jul 27, 2010 3:43:11pm |
re: #185 Aceofwhat?
Well, if you like being spanked, you’re Clifford.
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McSpiff Tue, Jul 27, 2010 3:43:21pm |
re: #171 Rightwingconspirator
I see the misunderstanding.
I was referring to their consensus. The ten or so folks I have had that conversation with. Being that they lived there, I did come to have some faith in their opinions. Namely the current regime is no better for the nation than the Shah. I believe them on that. As to history, well views differ even given the established facts and time lines.What made me pissy was to have it implied that I made up these conversations.
O, in that case I apologize. I don’t doubt you had those conversations at all. I’ve heard Iranians somewhat split on the Shah. Really seems to depend on where you fell on the political and religious spectrum. If you supported the Shah, he wasn’t a bad guy. If you supported radical Islam, well being tortured by the SAVAK was horrible, and the new guys are pretty good. If you were a leftist who supported a non-align course for the country, well you got tortured by everybody until you got out.
My experience is largely with the 3rd group I’d say. Its extremely rare that I’ve heard anything good about the Shah, and its usually very limited praise. This is not an endorsement of the Mullahs tho. Most Iranians I know wish the country could have continued on its pre-1953 course.
I also know immigrants from the Republic of Vietnam who are totally unwilling to believe anything negative about Nguyễn Văn Thiệu. Doesn’t mean its not true, simply means their direct emotional involvement makes them unreliable sources. I’ve accepted this.
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albusteve Tue, Jul 27, 2010 3:43:27pm |
re: #180 Obdicut
That’s not true either, though. I know a large ex-pat Iranian community who loathe the Shah with every fiber of their being. I don’t know a single one who likes the Shah.
I do…an OBGYN who was friends with the Iranian ‘nobility’…they fled in 79 to America and my best friend married a daughter…but this was a wealthy, prominent doctor who’s future was very insecure under the mad mullahs
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darthstar Tue, Jul 27, 2010 3:43:31pm |
re: #185 Aceofwhat?
great, now i’m going to spend the next half-hour wondering which muppet best represents which lizard/
Damn…I picked a version that cut off before Kermit made his teleconferencing comment at the end.
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Political Atheist Tue, Jul 27, 2010 3:43:47pm |
re: #149 McSpiff
Please ask your friends- Is Iran better off under the Theocracy? I got about 9 of ten that say no.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Jul 27, 2010 3:44:08pm |
re: #176 tradewind
And they ‘d probably file a lawsuit if they fell and were injured on the property.//
They would and they have, yet every spring, right on schedule, this hikers and climber will start trying to rally the locals to support their need to climb on anything and everything, private property or public land. There are laws in the country about climbing on certain open space rock cliffs, and then again, there are rock faces that the country does allow climbing on.
The problem is that these climbers are bored with climbing the same cliffs over and over, and they will argue that they should be allowed to climb anything they want. The will argue with the local business’ that it’s good for trade, good for business and so on.
Excepting, it isn’t good for the private land owners and the possible law suits that have ensued.
I really have talked personally to some of these people, and it like talking to a rock. They feel they are entitled to climb what they want.
An obsession to the point of being mentally unstable if you ask me.
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garhighway Tue, Jul 27, 2010 3:44:16pm |
re: #173 albusteve
Gaza…which should be occupied by the IDF til he is returned
I would respectfully disagree.
Imagine the casualties to both IDF members and civilians that effecting such an occupation would entail. Then imagine how it would go, day after day, as the residents engage in (inevitable) resistance. Imagine the video that would go out to the rest of the world. It would be a terrible mess for Israel.
Obviously, I am sympathetic to the young man, his relatives and countrymen. But killing a whole bunch of other people and causing all kinds of collateral damage wouldn’t free him and would harm Israel. Which is probably why they haven’t done this.
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Stonemason Tue, Jul 27, 2010 3:44:16pm |
American activists
I have been following this on NPR, I have never heard them called anything but hikers…
That said, they trespassed on Iranian soil, the laws in Iran are different than here, hence, they are still incarcerated. It sucks, it is morally wrong from our point of view, but it is their right to handle their borders the way they feel they need to.
I want these people released, I want them to have at least the same access to lawyers that the US gives the folk at Gitmo, and I think the Iranians are wrong…but it’s not my call.
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McSpiff Tue, Jul 27, 2010 3:44:32pm |
re: #193 Rightwingconspirator
Quoting myself:
Its extremely rare that I’ve heard anything good about the Shah, and its usually very limited praise. This is not an endorsement of the Mullahs tho. Most Iranians I know wish the country could have continued on its pre-1953 course.
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Obdicut Tue, Jul 27, 2010 3:44:40pm |
re: #187 Rightwingconspirator
Okay. I know about thirty or so ex-Pat Iranians, including a Zoroastrian, Jews, and both Persian and Arab Iranians.
They all loathe the Shah with every fiber of their being. They loathe the current regime too. They would not be in the least bit happy to have the old regime back.
They would be happy if the democratically elected leader of Iran hadn’t been toppled in a CIA-backed military coup by the Shah.
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Aceofwhat? Tue, Jul 27, 2010 3:44:46pm |
re: #180 Obdicut
That’s not true either, though. I know a large ex-pat Iranian community who loathe the Shah with every fiber of their being. I don’t know a single one who likes the Shah.
it may well not be true. just because it’s the consensus of his 13 friends doesn’t make it historical fact.
i was only objecting to the few folks who had a difficult time reading an introductory statement and then keeping it in mind as something to be implied in following posts, preferring instead to accuse him of taking great liberty with the truth.
the same error has bitten me in the past (not referring to you, or anyone in particular for that matter) so i diagnosed it and whipped out the scalpel/
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Jul 27, 2010 3:45:08pm |
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darthstar Tue, Jul 27, 2010 3:45:41pm |
re: #193 Rightwingconspirator
Please ask your friends- Is Iran better off under the Theocracy? I got about 9 of ten that say no.
And yet we’ve got Bachmanns, Becks and Palins in this country who think the US should be a theocracy…only a good theocracy…with a “real god”…fucktards, all of ‘em.
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Obdicut Tue, Jul 27, 2010 3:45:42pm |
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reine.de.tout Tue, Jul 27, 2010 3:46:18pm |
re: #141 McSpiff
Well, personally his comment stood for me because the history of the Shah and Iranian revolution was taught to me along the lines of: “Here’s what the US public was told, and here’s what actually happened”. He presented the first and not the latter.
Yes, and not being real familiar with the latter, I would like to have heard what it was. A comment of “bullshit revisionism” doesn’t give me much to go on.
… He wasn’t reformist forcing out Theocrats. He was essentially a puppet (Wester Intelligence services were instrumental in the coup and the setting up of his secret police) forcing out leftist/nationalist government.
No disagreement on that one.
The SAVAK was more Image: Adbusters_78_Blowback_11Corpses.jpg rather than Image: 444-days-hostage-crisis.jpg . Yes the Iranian hostage crisis was horrible, but that in no way dimishes what the Shah did to Iran.
Yes, the SAVAK was brutally awful. I haven’t, however, seen anyone here make a claim otherwise, or try to diminish what the Shah did.
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tradewind Tue, Jul 27, 2010 3:46:19pm |
re: #173 albusteve
I don’t know about that, but they shouldn’t even entertain the idea of releasing any PLO terrorists in exchange.
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darthstar Tue, Jul 27, 2010 3:46:46pm |
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Political Atheist Tue, Jul 27, 2010 3:46:49pm |
re: #183 Obdicut
The current regime is probably just as bad or worse for the country as the Shah, sure.
However, the way the Shah came into power is just as bad, corrupt, and terrible as the way the current regime came into power. That is a really important point.
I agree with you there.
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albusteve Tue, Jul 27, 2010 3:46:53pm |
re: #194 Walter L. Newton
They would and they have, yet every spring, right on schedule, this hikers and climber will start trying to rally the locals to support their need to climb on anything and everything, private property or public land. There are laws in the country about climbing on certain open space rock cliffs, and then again, there are rock faces that the country does allow climbing on.
The problem is that these climbers are bored with climbing the same cliffs over and over, and they will argue that they should be allowed to climb anything they want. The will argue with the local business’ that it’s good for trade, good for business and so on.
Excepting, it isn’t good for the private land owners and the possible law suits that have ensued.
I really have talked personally to some of these people, and it like talking to a rock. They feel they are entitled to climb what they want.
An obsession to the point of being mentally unstable if you ask me.
yup…same problems here with climbers…private, state, federal land, they seem to care not…different breed of cat
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Jul 27, 2010 3:47:04pm |
re: #202 Obdicut
There’s a Muppet named Clifford!
Looked it up… that one… ok. Didn’t know him by the name… just the face… can’t forget the face.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jul 27, 2010 3:47:06pm |
re: #163 Walter L. Newton
I’m not sure how much this has to do with politics, ideology or just entitlement mentality. This may sound silly, but it may be as simple as they thought they had every right in the world to climb what they want to climb, hike where they wanted to hike.
We have hikers and climbers in my own area who get totally up in arms if someone who has private property around here, with a shear granite face, don’t like the idea that these people want to traipse all around their property, with the chance of injury and so on.
I’ve actually had conversation s with these hiker and climbers, and they way they see it, they are entitled to hike and climb where they feel nature calls.
So, it’s not impossible that this crew was simply that naive.
It’s just that if you trespass in Colorado, the worst that will probably happen is some buckshot in your ass.
On the Iraqi frontier, things get…hairier.
But yeah, they may actually have been that naive.
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albusteve Tue, Jul 27, 2010 3:47:53pm |
re: #204 tradewind
I don’t know about that, but they shouldn’t even entertain the idea of releasing any PLO terrorists in exchange.
I’m hard core…I play to win and expect no less from others
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reine.de.tout Tue, Jul 27, 2010 3:48:04pm |
re: #139 Aceofwhat?
meh. i’m with Reine on this. disagree with RWC all you want, but the “lie” thing is just like peeing on a campfire - it doesn’t really achieve anything, and it smells awful…
Well, and simply making a claim of “it’s a lie” without giving the reasons why, doesn’t help anyone understand what the truth of the situation is.
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McSpiff Tue, Jul 27, 2010 3:48:43pm |
Not sure what its like in the part of Iranian where they were arrested, but if the mountains are anything like those outside Tehran, you could pick an uglier spot:
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darthstar Tue, Jul 27, 2010 3:48:43pm |
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Political Atheist Tue, Jul 27, 2010 3:48:52pm |
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darthstar Tue, Jul 27, 2010 3:49:31pm |
re: #212 McSpiff
Not sure what its like in the part of Iranian where they were arrested, but if the mountains are anything like those outside Tehran, you could pick an uglier spot:
Ooh…check out the fall lines in the background. They’ve got some seriously good skiing there.
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ointmentfly Tue, Jul 27, 2010 3:49:42pm |
re: #153 tradewind
re: #184 goddamnedfrank
By “backfire” , you mean giving Islamic radicals good propaganda with which they can use to absolutely shit on whatever democracy Iran had prior to the revolution, right? I really think you underestimate the strong arm of the Islamic revolution. We were not saints in the dealings with Iran, but the Islamic revolution was going to happen with out without our meddling.
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cliffster Tue, Jul 27, 2010 3:49:58pm |
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albusteve Tue, Jul 27, 2010 3:50:02pm |
re: #209 SanFranciscoZionist
It’s just that if you trespass in Colorado, the worst that will probably happen is some buckshot in your ass.
On the Iraqi frontier, things get…hairier.
But yeah, they may actually have been that naive.
the worst thing?…buckshot, eight 30caliber lead balls flying at you at 1850feet per second?….make you into burger real quick…buckshot is for killing stuff, dead
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Obdicut Tue, Jul 27, 2010 3:50:49pm |
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albusteve Tue, Jul 27, 2010 3:50:56pm |
re: #215 darthstar
Ooh…check out the fall lines in the background. They’ve got some seriously good skiing there.
no lifts…d/a
wanna get rich?
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jul 27, 2010 3:51:06pm |
re: #218 albusteve
the worst thing?…buckshot, eight 30caliber lead balls flying at you at 1850feet per second?…make you into burger real quick…buckshot is for killing stuff, dead
I stand corrected.
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Obdicut Tue, Jul 27, 2010 3:51:19pm |
re: #216 ointmentfly
Cool that you have the power to see into alternate realities like that.
Do you have any other psychic abilities?
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cliffster Tue, Jul 27, 2010 3:51:36pm |
re: #209 SanFranciscoZionist
It’s just that if you trespass in Colorado, the worst that will probably happen is some buckshot in your ass.
On the Iraqi frontier, things get…hairier.
But yeah, they may actually have been that naive.
I’m betting you’ve never gotten shot in the ass
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cliffster Tue, Jul 27, 2010 3:52:08pm |
re: #223 cliffster
hmm, that could be taken the wrong way..
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McSpiff Tue, Jul 27, 2010 3:52:17pm |
re: #223 cliffster
I’m betting you’ve never gotten shot in the ass
Replace “buck shot” with “rock salt”. Its what I did.
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albusteve Tue, Jul 27, 2010 3:52:45pm |
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Obdicut Tue, Jul 27, 2010 3:52:47pm |
re: #221 SanFranciscoZionist
Someone once told me buckshot load is basically the equivalent of six 9mms shooting at you at once.
Don’t know how accurate it is.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jul 27, 2010 3:53:08pm |
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Cato the Elder Tue, Jul 27, 2010 3:53:29pm |
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Kinglaffa Tue, Jul 27, 2010 3:53:38pm |
I find it odd that there is very little outrage coming from the international community over the incarceration of a group of American hikers by the totalitarian Islamic republic of Iran just a few months after the whole thing with the Israeli navy seals and the flotilla sponsored by terrorists…
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Kronocide Tue, Jul 27, 2010 3:53:46pm |
re: #227 Obdicut
Someone once told me buckshot load is basically the equivalent of six 9mms shooting at you at once.
Don’t know how accurate it is.
A double entendre! Brilliant.
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darthstar Tue, Jul 27, 2010 3:53:53pm |
re: #226 albusteve
just sayin…
birdshot is what you meant I think
If Cheney had been shooting with buckshot, the poor bastard he shot in the face would have been doing more than just apologizing to him.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jul 27, 2010 3:53:56pm |
re: #223 cliffster
I’m betting you’ve never gotten shot in the ass
I’d still take it over my chances with the Iranians, if you know what I mean.
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justaminute Tue, Jul 27, 2010 3:53:57pm |
Read some of the comments on this thread about Jews in Iran. Living in Oklahoma I never had the pleasure to be meet a Jew or maybe it never came up and I did. I meet Jews in more numbers in Iran than I ever met in Oklahoma. My in-laws house is adjacent to a pretty large Jewish neighborhood. In fact, the neighbor had a Jewish girl that was hoping my husband would come back after going to school in the US and marry her. Whoops, didn’t work out. Unless your in prison, one thing positive about Iran is that they never stop anyone from leaving. The Jewish community in Iran is around 100,000.
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cliffster Tue, Jul 27, 2010 3:54:44pm |
re: #219 Obdicut
Huh?
Am I treading close to some meme or something?
Plain as day. People named Cliff, liking to get spanked. Don’t be sayin’ that shit ;)
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albusteve Tue, Jul 27, 2010 3:55:13pm |
re: #227 Obdicut
Someone once told me buckshot load is basically the equivalent of six 9mms shooting at you at once.
Don’t know how accurate it is.
8 at .33
lotta lead
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Four More Tears Tue, Jul 27, 2010 3:55:21pm |
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Obdicut Tue, Jul 27, 2010 3:55:54pm |
re: #230 Kinglaffa
Maybe that’s because it happened a year ago?
And Iran arrested them for entering Iran illegally, which actually happened, and as much as it sucks, Iran does actually get to have its own laws?
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Cato the Elder Tue, Jul 27, 2010 3:56:22pm |
re: #235 cliffster
Plain as day. People named Cliff, liking to get spanked. Don’t be sayin’ that shit ;)
I don’t know about you, but when I’m feelin’ like a spankin’, I always prefer to go to a place where everybody knows my name.
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albusteve Tue, Jul 27, 2010 3:56:24pm |
re: #232 darthstar
If Cheney had been shooting with buckshot, the poor bastard he shot in the face would have been doing more than just apologizing to him.
we lead the words in face restoration…transplants if you will
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darthstar Tue, Jul 27, 2010 3:57:13pm |
re: #234 justaminute
Read some of the comments on this thread about Jews in Iran. Living in Oklahoma I never had the pleasure to be meet a Jew or maybe it never came up and I did. I meet Jews in more numbers in Iran than I ever met in Oklahoma. My in-laws house is adjacent to a pretty large Jewish neighborhood. In fact, the neighbor had a Jewish girl that was hoping my husband would come back after going to school in the US and marry her. Whoops, didn’t work out. Unless your in prison, one thing positive about Iran is that they never stop anyone from leaving. The Jewish community in Iran is around 100,000.
I grew up in a rural county in Northern California. Didn’t know any Jewish people. It wasn’t until I went away to college and realized that one of my best friends, whose last name was Steinberg, most likely wasn’t Catholic.
Ignorance is…well, ignorance. Period.
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Obdicut Tue, Jul 27, 2010 3:57:13pm |
re: #235 cliffster
Plain as day. People named Cliff, liking to get spanked. Don’t be sayin’ that shit ;)
Ahh. Sorry, little slow to day.
I think it’s the ‘ford’ part that makes you want to be spanked in the ass.
Cliff means that you have a tendency towards bombast and conspiracy theories.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]
He should be a muppet. He’s highly muppet-like.
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goddamnedfrank Tue, Jul 27, 2010 3:57:19pm |
re: #216 ointmentfly
re: #184 goddamnedfrank
By “backfire” , you mean giving Islamic radicals good propaganda with which they can use to absolutely shit on whatever democracy Iran had prior to the revolution, right? I really think you underestimate the strong arm of the Islamic revolution. We were not saints in the dealings with Iran, but the Islamic revolution was going to happen with out without our meddling.
Only because you seem to need it to. Iran had a popularly elected government prior to the foreign backed 1953 coup, not a “whatever democracy.” Believing that the Iranians as a people would have somehow been incapable of valuing and maintaining that on their own says more about you than it does about them.
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Aceofwhat? Tue, Jul 27, 2010 3:58:12pm |
re: #232 darthstar
If Cheney had been shooting with buckshot, the poor bastard he shot in the face would have been doing more than just apologizing to him.
nah. he’d be doing less/
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albusteve Tue, Jul 27, 2010 3:59:35pm |
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bratwurst Tue, Jul 27, 2010 3:59:51pm |
re: #234 justaminute
Actually, recent estimates put the number of Jews in Iran at about the 25,000 level.
[Link: news.bbc.co.uk…]
There are a lot more Iranian Jews in the US and Israel than in Iran in any case.
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Aceofwhat? Tue, Jul 27, 2010 4:02:20pm |
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engineer cat Tue, Jul 27, 2010 4:04:02pm |
one of my wingnut correspondants has gifted me with a wonderful quote. after hearing him go on about the iniquities that the wealthy were undergoing, having to submit to a higher tax rate, i asked him why didn’t he look after himself for a change? after all, adam smith says that the result of all of us looking after our own self interest mysteriously leads to the benefit of all. his reply:
“If the wealthy don’t have rights then none of us do”
i am so remiss in forgetting the less fortunate. i mean, more fortunate. um, i mean more fortunate who suffer more because they have more to suffer with. oh hell, now i’m confused…
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albusteve Tue, Jul 27, 2010 4:04:15pm |
re: #243 goddamnedfrank
Only because you seem to need it to. Iran had a popularly elected government prior to the foreign backed 1953 coup, not a “whatever democracy.” Believing that the Iranians as a people would have somehow been incapable of valuing and maintaining that on their own says more about you than it does about them.
then you must have high hopes for the new democracy we installed in Iraq
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cliffster Tue, Jul 27, 2010 4:04:30pm |
re: #245 albusteve
very much less…he’d be dead
There would be more than one of him. And all of them would be dead.
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albusteve Tue, Jul 27, 2010 4:06:01pm |
re: #252 cliffster
There would be more than one of him. And all of them would be dead.
gruesome dood
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Aceofwhat? Tue, Jul 27, 2010 4:06:51pm |
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albusteve Tue, Jul 27, 2010 4:07:56pm |
the mullahs are going to fall one day…most will have the same demise and I expect it will not be pretty
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ointmentfly Tue, Jul 27, 2010 4:10:02pm |
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engineer cat Tue, Jul 27, 2010 4:10:39pm |
i heard a report on the NPR last night about how the revolutionary guards in iran have taken over 1/3 of the economy
this was in regard to the attempt by the UN to squish them by imposing sanctions that will make it illegal for companies around the world to do business with guard owned businesses
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Vicious Babushka Tue, Jul 27, 2010 4:11:04pm |
re: #234 justaminute
Read some of the comments on this thread about Jews in Iran. Living in Oklahoma I never had the pleasure to be meet a Jew or maybe it never came up and I did. I meet Jews in more numbers in Iran than I ever met in Oklahoma. My in-laws house is adjacent to a pretty large Jewish neighborhood. In fact, the neighbor had a Jewish girl that was hoping my husband would come back after going to school in the US and marry her. Whoops, didn’t work out. Unless your in prison, one thing positive about Iran is that they never stop anyone from leaving. The Jewish community in Iran is around 100,000.
Used to be. There are only about 10,000 left now.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Jul 27, 2010 4:11:11pm |
re: #139 Aceofwhat?
meh. i’m with Reine on this. disagree with RWC all you want, but the “lie” thing is just like peeing on a campfire - it doesn’t really achieve anything, and it smells awful…
There is no overwhelming consensus, it’s simply not true at all, in any way
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albusteve Tue, Jul 27, 2010 4:12:24pm |
re: #257 engineer dog
i heard a report on the NPR last night about how the revolutionary guards in iran have taken over 1/3 of the economy
this was in regard to the attempt by the UN to squish them by imposing sanctions that will make it illegal for companies around the world to do business with guard owned businesses
hard targets…they don’t realize how stupid they are…we could bring Iran to it’s knees in two hours of whoop ass
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Obdicut Tue, Jul 27, 2010 4:12:32pm |
re: #256 ointmentfly
Because the democratic types had been purged, imprisoned killed, garroted, ousted, and disenfranchized from all power by the Shah?
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McSpiff Tue, Jul 27, 2010 4:12:46pm |
re: #256 ointmentfly
re: #243 goddamnedfrank
Why was it an Islamic dictatorship that overthrew the Shah and not a pro democracy movement? Maybe we don’t know what would have happened without the coup in ‘53… might we be in the same place?
Well, at this point we’ll never know but I think a fair argument would be that the SAVAK had dealt with them brutally by the time of the revolution.
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albusteve Tue, Jul 27, 2010 4:13:12pm |
re: #259 WindUpBird
There is no overwhelming consensus, it’s simply not true at all, in any way
read the thread then get back
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Jul 27, 2010 4:13:23pm |
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justaminute Tue, Jul 27, 2010 4:13:44pm |
re: #246 bratwurst
Actually, recent estimates put the number of Jews in Iran at about the 25,000 level.
[Link: news.bbc.co.uk…]
There are a lot more Iranian Jews in the US and Israel than in Iran in any case.
Could be but I wonder about western estimates that have anything to do within Iran. I asked my husband if the Jewish neighborhood had left and he said some had, but he did not go door to door checking but close Jewish neighbors are still there.
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Aceofwhat? Tue, Jul 27, 2010 4:13:57pm |
re: #259 WindUpBird
There is no overwhelming consensus, it’s simply not true at all, in any way
the consensus of his expat friends. you didn’t read his prior post, and so mischaracterized what he was saying.
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albusteve Tue, Jul 27, 2010 4:14:08pm |
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Aceofwhat? Tue, Jul 27, 2010 4:14:38pm |
re: #256 ointmentfly
re: #243 goddamnedfrank
Why was it an Islamic dictatorship that overthrew the Shah and not a pro democracy movement? Maybe we don’t know what would have happened without the coup in ‘53… might we be in the same place?
i’m confused. i thought you were saying that you did know what would have happened…?
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ointmentfly Tue, Jul 27, 2010 4:15:45pm |
re: #261 Obdicut
Of course the Shah didn’t do that to the Islamists.
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Political Atheist Tue, Jul 27, 2010 4:16:04pm |
re: #259 WindUpBird
Did you read my clarification where I said the consensus was among those ten or so who I had the discussion with? My #171. I hope that clears that up.
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Buck Tue, Jul 27, 2010 4:16:05pm |
I might be the only lizard who has had a family member held hostage by jihadists.
My mother was the lone Canadian hostage on Indian Airlines Flight 814. She was held, with 178 others, in Afghanistan for 8 days.
Now, she was not wondering around in the hills of Afghanistan near the Iranian border. She was simply taking a flight from Nepal to New Delhi.
However, I think it gives me an idea about what these families are going through.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Jul 27, 2010 4:16:07pm |
re: #266 Aceofwhat?
the consensus of his expat friends. you didn’t read his prior post, and so mischaracterized what he was saying.
I read his entire thread, the language was incorrect, it remains incorrect. if I know ten guys from Bolivia, and all ten guys say the same thing about Bolivia, I refer to them very clearly as “guys I know said this about Bolivia”
Overwhelming consensus implies that it is taken as historical fact, which is wrong.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Jul 27, 2010 4:16:13pm |
re: #261 Obdicut
Because the democratic types had been purged, imprisoned killed, garroted, ousted, and disenfranchized from all power by the Shah?
And sent to bed without their suppers.
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Political Atheist Tue, Jul 27, 2010 4:17:16pm |
re: #272 WindUpBird
Okay so will you accept my clarification?
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erraticsphinx Tue, Jul 27, 2010 4:17:43pm |
re: #269 ointmentfly
Maybe he didn’t think an 80 year old exiled cleric had any power to get rid of him?
He was obviously wrong.
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albusteve Tue, Jul 27, 2010 4:18:24pm |
re: #272 WindUpBird
I read his entire thread, the language was incorrect, it remains incorrect. if I know ten guys from Bolivia, and all ten guys say the same thing about Bolivia, I refer to them very clearly as “guys I know said this about Bolivia”
Overwhelming consensus implies that it is taken as historical fact, which is wrong.
bullshit…stop being so anal…did you make that up?
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Aceofwhat? Tue, Jul 27, 2010 4:18:51pm |
re: #272 WindUpBird
I read his entire thread, the language was incorrect, it remains incorrect. if I know ten guys from Bolivia, and all ten guys say the same thing about Bolivia, I refer to them very clearly as “guys I know said this about Bolivia”
weird that i knew what he was talking about, then…amazing, in fact.
i’ll bet i know how many fingers you’re holding up right now.
*concentrates*
One!
Hey…i resent that gesture/
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Judith Tue, Jul 27, 2010 4:19:01pm |
re: #195 garhighway
I agree. Instead of invading Gaza Israel should just tell the average ordinary Gaza, “So sorry but we have to stop supplying food, water, electricity and medical care and all that other stuff we’ve been supplying you without recognition or charge for so long until Gilad is returned. Of course Israel wouldn’t do that either.
Personally I think he’s likely dead. I pray for him, but I think he’s dead.
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albusteve Tue, Jul 27, 2010 4:19:18pm |
re: #273 Walter L. Newton
And sent to bed without their suppers.
sonofaBITCHES!
no Twinkies for desert?
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McSpiff Tue, Jul 27, 2010 4:19:51pm |
re: #269 ointmentfly
Of course the Shah didn’t do that to the Islamists.
Not to get too Machiavellian, but when you take power in a coup the first group you target is those you took power from and those you fear the most. That was not the Islamists. They also gained support due to opposition to the Shah. If the people weren’t oppresed, what reason would they have to back a revolutionary movement?
In general I think its foolish to say that everything could have turned out the same when the 1953 coup was such a defining moment for Iran.
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albusteve Tue, Jul 27, 2010 4:20:28pm |
re: #279 Judith
I agree. Instead of invading Gaza Israel should just tell the average ordinary Gaza, “So sorry but we have to stop supplying food, water, electricity and medical care and all that other stuff we’ve been supplying you without recognition or charge for so long until Gilad is returned. Of course Israel wouldn’t do that either.
Personally I think he’s likely dead. I pray for him, but I think he’s dead.
so do I, and I’d want some bigtime payback
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Jul 27, 2010 4:21:59pm |
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Judith Tue, Jul 27, 2010 4:22:20pm |
re: #282 albusteve
It will or has already come. It always does. There are some things Israel does not play nice about. There is a reason the some of the leadership of Hamas live in nursery schools and the like.
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tradewind Tue, Jul 27, 2010 4:23:03pm |
re: #283 brookly red
We took a vote and decided that Iran is probably not going to make
Outdoor Life’s list of ‘Best Hikes for Beginners ‘.
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Obdicut Tue, Jul 27, 2010 4:23:05pm |
re: #269 ointmentfly
Of course the Shah didn’t do that to the Islamists.
Actually, a lot of times under the Shah what was actually an Islamicist action was blamed on the communists or Democratic types by the Shah— see Fakhr-Arai.
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brookly red Tue, Jul 27, 2010 4:24:00pm |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Jul 27, 2010 4:25:16pm |
re: #270 Rightwingconspirator
Did you read my clarification where I said the consensus was among those ten or so who I had the discussion with? My #171. I hope that clears that up.
I read it! I am defending my reaction, which was to your original post. I understand what you meant, but the language you used was wildly inappropriate and deceptive. Maybe it wasn’t your intent! But it was.
basically, the problem here is I would never use the term “overwhelming consensus” to refer to anecdotal opinions from friends or acquaintances. Language like that implies that you’re coming from what is accepted historical fact or overwhelming consensus among experts. And also you’re slamming wikipedia, which is way more footnoted, has way more sources, and is way more legitimate than your word of people you’ve talked to. People whose backgrounds we have no knowledge of.
Unless the consensus were about something very small and contained, that didn’t have, like a zillion historians studying it. Like say, a class we all took. Or a band I was seeing. “Overwhelming consensus at Berbati’s was that Wolves In The Throne Room rocked mightily.”
There’s constant right wing revisionist pushback and whitewashing about what the Shah did, it doesn’t fit the conservative narrative about how Iran is cosmically evil and has always been, and America is pure and never did a thing to upset them, like they’re S.P.E.C.T.R.E or Shadoloo. Everywhere a right wing blog or right wing talker talks about the Shah, they’re pushing that narrative, even though everything from reputable sources points to the contrary.
So I get sick of it! Because I’ve heard it a billion times. So now you know why it angered me. :)
Hope that clears stuff up!
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Vicious Babushka Tue, Jul 27, 2010 4:25:28pm |
re: #271 Buck
I might be the only lizard who has had a family member held hostage by jihadists.
My mother was the lone Canadian hostage on Indian Airlines Flight 814. She was held, with 178 others, in Afghanistan for 8 days.
Now, she was not wondering around in the hills of Afghanistan near the Iranian border. She was simply taking a flight from Nepal to New Delhi.
However, I think it gives me an idea about what these families are going through.
Zedushka’s cousin was aboard one of the flights that was hijacked by the PFLP in 1970.
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Political Atheist Tue, Jul 27, 2010 4:25:55pm |
re: #272 WindUpBird
I read his entire thread, the language was incorrect, it remains incorrect. .
The “entire thread” would include my #171, and my #270. My clarification of consensus and a direct reference to it. From my view, you read all but the very 2 of my posts intended to clear up what I meant. Coincidence?
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darthstar Tue, Jul 27, 2010 4:26:51pm |
re: #249 BigPapa
This is freakin fast!
Download an HD movie in 1 second.
Science!
Imagine the denial of service attacks you could launch with that…in other words, National Security will keep it from happening any time soon.
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brookly red Tue, Jul 27, 2010 4:28:40pm |
re: #294 darthstar
Imagine the denial of service attacks you could launch with that…in other words, National Security will keep it from happening any time soon.
sigh… I remember when denial of service was a personal matter.
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Political Atheist Tue, Jul 27, 2010 4:29:18pm |
re: #293 Rightwingconspirator
Well darn it I just missed your 290 as I typed and PIMFed. Sorry. I do try to be clear. I used a bad phrase to describe the overwhelming majority of the folks I spoke to. Which would be my phrase if I was to start over.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Jul 27, 2010 4:29:53pm |
re: #274 Rightwingconspirator
Okay so will you accept my clarification?
Sure!
I believe that you know people who have told you these things. I have friends who have told me much crazier things that they honestly believe. Full on conspiracy wackiness.
The language is the problem. This is politics, we know the power a couple of words can have over the entire framing of an event, or a fact, or an idea.
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Political Atheist Tue, Jul 27, 2010 4:30:02pm |
PIMF.
For Wind Up Bird-
Well darn it I just missed your 290 as I typed and PIMFed. Sorry. I do try to be clear. I used a bad phrase to describe the overwhelming majority of the folks I spoke to. Which would be my phrase if I was to start over.
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Obdicut Tue, Jul 27, 2010 4:30:30pm |
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brookly red Tue, Jul 27, 2010 4:31:05pm |
re: #299 Obdicut
Now, now, gentlemen, we can’t have peace breaking out.
Someone throw a pie!
FVB is gonna get you…
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darthstar Tue, Jul 27, 2010 4:32:01pm |
Fuck the fuckin’ $500 iPad and it’s inability to play flash…for $150 you can get a 7 inch Android based touch-pad app…at freakin’ K-Mart!
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Obdicut Tue, Jul 27, 2010 4:32:22pm |
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reine.de.tout Tue, Jul 27, 2010 4:32:26pm |
re: #290 WindUpBird
…
There’s constant right wing revisionist pushback and whitewashing about what the Shah did, it doesn’t fit the conservative narrative about how Iran is cosmically evil and has always been, and America is pure and never did a thing to upset them, like they’re S.P.E.C.T.R.E or Shadoloo. Everywhere a right wing blog or right wing talker talks about the Shah, they’re pushing that narrative, even though everything from reputable sources points to the contrary.So I get sick of it! Because I’ve heard it a billion times. So now you know why it angered me. :)
Hope that clears stuff up!
So that’s what you’re mad about!
Look - everyone here has at some point not been as crystal clear as they could have been. When folks are being polite, maybe instead of reacting like RWC is one of the fools you’re so mad at, you could take the time and grant the courtesy of trying to clarify first. I believe RWC would be willing to extend that courtesy to you.
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ointmentfly Tue, Jul 27, 2010 4:32:35pm |
re: #287 Obdicut
You bring up a whole new can of worms. How much were the soviets looking to destabilize Iran? Were they blameless? They sure are tight with dinnerjacket these days…..
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darthstar Tue, Jul 27, 2010 4:32:51pm |
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Aceofwhat? Tue, Jul 27, 2010 4:33:21pm |
re: #301 darthstar
Fuck the fuckin’ $500 iPad and it’s inability to play flash…for $150 you can get a 7 inch Android based touch-pad app…at freakin’ K-Mart!
THAT is what i’m talkin’ about. Good find-
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Political Atheist Tue, Jul 27, 2010 4:33:23pm |
re: #297 WindUpBird
I do tend to have confidence in those who were there, and a number of years to reflect. Crazy or not actually living it matters. Heck I lean of people who I know for this kind of information, as I do distrust American news media. Heh. At least my Iranian friends came by their opinions honestly, not just as a media corporate necessity.
Be well I do have some worpress work to do. My turn to merely lurk and work.
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albusteve Tue, Jul 27, 2010 4:34:01pm |
re: #297 WindUpBird
Sure!
I believe that you know people who have told you these things. I have friends who have told me much crazier things that they honestly believe. Full on conspiracy wackiness.
The language is the problem. This is politics, we know the power a couple of words can have over the entire framing of an event, or a fact, or an idea.
blah blah…no juice
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Obdicut Tue, Jul 27, 2010 4:34:13pm |
re: #304 ointmentfly
You bring up a whole new can of worms. How much were the soviets looking to destabilize Iran? Were they blameless? They sure are tight with dinnerjacket these days…
Um.
The reason why we deposed the democratically elected leader of Iran and installed the Shah was that he was anti-Communist and pro-Western.
So in terms of that, yeah, the Soviets were pretty blameless in the CIA-inspired military coup in Iran.
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Political Atheist Tue, Jul 27, 2010 4:35:03pm |
re: #299 Obdicut
Now, now, gentlemen, we can’t have peace breaking out.
Someone throw a pie!
Make that a chocolate pie and you’ll really see me with my jaw hanging open.
Bye!
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brookly red Tue, Jul 27, 2010 4:35:06pm |
re: #310 Obdicut
Um.
The reason why we deposed the democratically elected leader of Iran and installed the Shah was that he was anti-Communist and pro-Western.
So in terms of that, yeah, the Soviets were pretty blameless in the CIA-inspired military coup in Iran.
/look what you made me do!
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McSpiff Tue, Jul 27, 2010 4:35:24pm |
re: #304 ointmentfly
You bring up a whole new can of worms. How much were the soviets looking to destabilize Iran? Were they blameless? They sure are tight with dinnerjacket these days…
I’m pretty sure they just drew a line between the fancy new airbases in Iraq and Moscow, and said “lets put as many S300s between there and here”. Personal theory.
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justaminute Tue, Jul 27, 2010 4:35:39pm |
re: #290 WindUpBird
Support of the Shah by Iranians here in the US supported the Shah in Iran. During the attempt of the Greens to revolt the monarchists here in the US were trying to say they had a hand in it. To bad there are not more Farsi speakers in the US because there are Farsi broadcasting stations in California and I think alot of Americans would be surprised what is being said.
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Bob Levin Tue, Jul 27, 2010 4:36:44pm |
re: #63 windsagio
I see where the misunderstanding is. No, they didn’t have the revolution to do whatever they wanted. But in the area of foreign policy, they quickly learned that they could do whatever they wanted. I was talking about realpolitik.
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brookly red Tue, Jul 27, 2010 4:36:51pm |
re: #313 McSpiff
I’m pretty sure they just drew a line between the fancy new airbases in Iraq and Moscow, and said “lets put as many S300s between there and here”. Personal theory.
did I hear right? I heard the S300 deal was off…
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McSpiff Tue, Jul 27, 2010 4:38:48pm |
re: #316 brookly red
did I hear right? I heard the S300 deal was off…
You might be right, it seems like its on again off again every few months.
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ointmentfly Tue, Jul 27, 2010 4:39:46pm |
re: #310 Obdicut
Um…like….
Of course the Soviets would have nothing to do with overthrowing pro western, anti communist leaders in oil rich countries with whomever was available, Islamic revolutionaries or not.
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brookly red Tue, Jul 27, 2010 4:39:52pm |
re: #317 McSpiff
You might be right, it seems like its on again off again every few months.
I think the new round of sanctions killed it… I could be wrong.
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McSpiff Tue, Jul 27, 2010 4:40:13pm |
re: #319 brookly red
I think the new round of sanctions killed it… I could be wrong.
*crosses fingers*
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albusteve Tue, Jul 27, 2010 4:40:29pm |
in other, more important news…AZ is thriving, despite all being racist borderbots…wtf is the left going to do now?, if the racist card won’t work, what will?
[Link: www.foxnews.com…]
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brookly red Tue, Jul 27, 2010 4:41:46pm |
re: #321 albusteve
in other, more important news…AZ is thriving, despite all being racist borderbots…wtf is the left going to do now?, if the racist card won’t work, what will?
[Link: www.foxnews.com…]
uhh, uhh, class warfare? do I win?
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tradewind Tue, Jul 27, 2010 4:41:54pm |
re: #311 Rightwingconspirator
So you haven’t yet read ’ The Help ‘//.
Already filming down the road a bit with Allison Janney, Bryce Dallas Howard, and Viola Davis. I’m already cringing at the voice-coached southern accents.
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jamesfirecat Tue, Jul 27, 2010 4:42:09pm |
re: #321 albusteve
in other, more important news…AZ is thriving, despite all being racist borderbots…wtf is the left going to do now?, if the racist card won’t work, what will?
[Link: www.foxnews.com…]
Gee maybe we should try to force them to upload the law by going to the courts rather than relying on fickle markets to win us social justice!
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McSpiff Tue, Jul 27, 2010 4:42:28pm |
Alright folks, I’m off to see “Salt”. You’ll get to hear all about it later.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Jul 27, 2010 4:42:32pm |
re: #323 tradewind
So you haven’t yet read ’ The Help ‘//.
Already filming down the road a bit with Allison Janney, Bryce Dallas Howard, and Viola Davis. I’m already cringing at the voice-coached southern accents.
Are you working on the project?
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Killgore Trout Tue, Jul 27, 2010 4:42:33pm |
re: #301 darthstar
Fuck the fuckin’ $500 iPad and it’s inability to play flash…for $150 you can get a 7 inch Android based touch-pad app…at freakin’ K-Mart!
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Obdicut Tue, Jul 27, 2010 4:43:02pm |
re: #318 ointmentfly
Um…like…
Of course the Soviets would have nothing to do with overthrowing pro western, anti communist leaders in oil rich countries with whomever was available, Islamic revolutionaries or not.
For some reason, you’re talking about the fall of the Shah, when I’m talking about the coup d’etat that installed the Shah.
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albusteve Tue, Jul 27, 2010 4:43:04pm |
re: #324 jamesfirecat
Gee maybe we should try to force them to upload the law by going to the courts rather than relying on fickle markets to win us social justice!
yes, people have choices
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Four More Tears Tue, Jul 27, 2010 4:43:15pm |
No joke: I just came across an ad on youtube for “Christian Hypnosis.”
At least these guys are up-front about it.
///
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brookly red Tue, Jul 27, 2010 4:44:28pm |
re: #324 jamesfirecat
Gee maybe we should try to force them to upload the law by going to the courts rather than relying on fickle markets to win us social justice!
I am not sure what you mean…. when did justice become a hyphenated word?
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cliffster Tue, Jul 27, 2010 4:44:38pm |
re: #327 Killgore Trout
That video cracks me up every time I see it.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jul 27, 2010 4:45:12pm |
re: #330 JasonA
No joke: I just came across an ad on youtube for “Christian Hypnosis.”
At least these guys are up-front about it.///
How is Christian hypnosis different from, I dunno, Buddhist hypnosis?
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Four More Tears Tue, Jul 27, 2010 4:45:46pm |
re: #327 Killgore Trout
Fucking brilliant.
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jamesfirecat Tue, Jul 27, 2010 4:47:51pm |
re: #331 brookly red
I am not sure what you mean… when did justice become a hyphenated word?
I mean that in the end civil rights weren’t just won with boycotts but also with laws being past.
Arizona should get slapped on the nose for what its done in my opinion for passing a law which tries to give it powers reserved for the federal government and place the cops in a helpless impossible situation….
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tradewind Tue, Jul 27, 2010 4:48:20pm |
re: #326 Walter L. Newton
No, they’re filming it in Greenwood.
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brookly red Tue, Jul 27, 2010 4:49:09pm |
re: #334 SanFranciscoZionist
How is Christian hypnosis different from, I dunno, Buddhist hypnosis?
/Nam-myoho-renge-kyo…
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tradewind Tue, Jul 27, 2010 4:50:03pm |
re: #334 SanFranciscoZionist
Probably just the mantra. At least, that’s what I’ve heard.
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tradewind Tue, Jul 27, 2010 4:51:27pm |
re: #334 SanFranciscoZionist
Actually, I meant meditation not hypnosis.
But the idea is probably similar.
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albusteve Tue, Jul 27, 2010 4:51:37pm |
re: #336 jamesfirecat
I mean that in the end civil rights weren’t just won with boycotts but also with laws being past.
Arizona should get slapped on the nose for what its done in my opinion for passing a law which tries to give it powers reserved for the federal government and place the cops in a helpless impossible situation…
ooohh, without one mention of federal neglect?…is that fair? and BTW it’s not over yet…the feds case is not that strong….expect some major backpedal juju from both sides
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Jul 27, 2010 4:51:43pm |
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brookly red Tue, Jul 27, 2010 4:52:30pm |
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ointmentfly Tue, Jul 27, 2010 4:52:37pm |
re: #328 Obdicut
I don’t deny that the CIA orchestrated the coup in ‘53. My original post was basically to say that with or without out involvement in the coup in ‘53, we would probably be in the same place with Iran.
I take issue with the undercurrent that if not for the CIA’s involvement in ‘53, the hikers would be sipping tea in Tehran. Probably overstated, but it seems like there is plenty of weight on the ‘53 coup and little toward the Islamic revolution or Soviet influence.
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tradewind Tue, Jul 27, 2010 4:53:50pm |
re: #342 Walter L. Newton
Answer a call for extras , unless you meant the production end. I’m sure your area gets its share of location shoots.
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Obdicut Tue, Jul 27, 2010 4:54:49pm |
re: #344 ointmentfly
I don’t deny that the CIA orchestrated the coup in ‘53. My original post was basically to say that with or without out involvement in the coup in ‘53, we would probably be in the same place with Iran.
And that’s crazy.
I take issue with the undercurrent that if not for the CIA’s involvement in ‘53, the hikers would be sipping tea in Tehran. Probably overstated, but it seems like there is plenty of weight on the ‘53 coup and little toward the Islamic revolution or Soviet influence.
There’s weight on both, because both actually occurred, unlike your hypothetical world where only the Islamic revolution occurred.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jul 27, 2010 4:55:27pm |
re: #340 tradewind
Actually, I meant meditation not hypnosis.
But the idea is probably similar.
I don’t know. People who teach meditation rarely encourage their students to quack like ducks.
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prairiefire Tue, Jul 27, 2010 4:56:00pm |
re: #314 justaminute
The Crown prince wants to be Shah very, very much.
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brookly red Tue, Jul 27, 2010 4:56:14pm |
re: #344 ointmentfly
I don’t deny that the CIA orchestrated the coup in ‘53. My original post was basically to say that with or without out involvement in the coup in ‘53, we would probably be in the same place with Iran.
I take issue with the undercurrent that if not for the CIA’s involvement in ‘53, the hikers would be sipping tea in Tehran. Probably overstated, but it seems like there is plenty of weight on the ‘53 coup and little toward the Islamic revolution or Soviet influence.
/did the coup 53 still have running boards?
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tradewind Tue, Jul 27, 2010 4:56:42pm |
re: #347 SanFranciscoZionist
Where’s the quacking? I must have missed a link. I thought meditation usually involved a repeated sound or syllable, though.
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jamesfirecat Tue, Jul 27, 2010 4:57:43pm |
re: #341 albusteve
ooohh, without one mention of federal neglect?…is that fair? and BTW it’s not over yet…the feds case is not that strong…expect some major backpedal juju from both sides
What would the feds be having to do for them not to be neglecting the boarder?
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jul 27, 2010 4:57:47pm |
re: #350 tradewind
Where’s the quacking? I must have missed a link. I thought meditation usually involved a repeated sound or syllable, though.
No, I was thinking of hypnosis…you know, hypnotizing people, and then making them do weird stuff…
I’m too confused now.
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albusteve Tue, Jul 27, 2010 4:57:51pm |
re: #349 brookly red
/did the coup 53 still have running boards?
looks like a no….
[Link: www.flickriver.com…]
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brookly red Tue, Jul 27, 2010 4:58:08pm |
re: #350 tradewind
Where’s the quacking? I must have missed a link. I thought meditation usually involved a repeated sound or syllable, though.
Aflack!
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ointmentfly Tue, Jul 27, 2010 4:59:38pm |
re: #349 brookly red
Why yes it did…. had it been lowered with a bitchin’ set of rims and a killer sound system, the Shah might have been a little more fly with the peeps…
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albusteve Tue, Jul 27, 2010 5:00:01pm |
re: #352 SanFranciscoZionist
No, I was thinking of hypnosis…you know, hypnotizing people, and then making them do weird stuff…
I’m too confused now.
first they convince you that life is a ball of confusion you cannot deal with, then they enroll you in a meditation gig to teach you how to save yourself from stresses they manufactured….$$$$
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tradewind Tue, Jul 27, 2010 5:00:52pm |
re: #352 SanFranciscoZionist
I’ve undergone hypnosis ( years ago, fear-of-heights thing), and it was pretty tame. Nothing too weird. No noises involved except the therapist’s voice.
The phobia went away, although I’m not sure if the hypnosis had anything to do with it but hey…. my insurance paid.//
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Jul 27, 2010 5:01:10pm |
re: #343 brookly red
I miss business period.
I’ve been a little better off the last 4 months. Obviously I been at the supermarket for 4 months now, average about 22 hours a week, mainly loaded on the weekends, usually having 3 days off in a row during the week (like right now). In the last 4 months, I have had three requests from Kaiser to make modifications to the patient visit survey application I wrote for them, so that has put about 1500 dollars in the bank (which is going to Paris in Jan. 2010, been three years since I’ve had any sort of vacation), and I’m picking a 5o bucks here and there with the sales of my handcrafted jewelry.
But I am still sending out resumes for full time programming work, 131 this year so far, all highly qualified for, not one bite, not even a initial phone interview.
So, things are better, no complaints, but it’s not due to any uptick in the economy or or even a trickle of things changing in the job market around Denver. It’s because I won’t let this shit put me down.
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mardukhai Tue, Jul 27, 2010 5:03:00pm |
re: #5 Cato the Elder
And meanwhile, France has declared war on al Qaeda.
Things are looking up.
I hope you’re sarcastic.
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brookly red Tue, Jul 27, 2010 5:04:55pm |
re: #355 ointmentfly
Why yes it did… had it been lowered with a bitchin’ set of rims and a killer sound system, the Shah might have been a little more fly with the peeps…
Now the king told the boogie men
You have to let that raga drop
The oil down the desert way
Has been shakin’ to the top
The sheik he drove his Cadillac
He went a’ cruisin’ down the ville
The muezzin was a’ standing
On the radiator grille
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Jul 27, 2010 5:04:55pm |
re: #360 prairiefire
Keep on Truckin’
[Video]
Yup… since we’ve met face to face, I think you can vouch for my sincerity. Thanks for the up ding.
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jaunte Tue, Jul 27, 2010 5:06:18pm |
Quoted for emphasis. I hope everyone who can attend this Friday’s rally will do so.
It is all well and good to know of some injustice perpetrated by a far-away theocracy, but in order to provide these three noble young people with a better chance at eventual liberty, it is necessary to bring further attention to this ongoing incident so that those of our own representatives with the means to act will be compelled to do so. This Friday – the first anniversary of the hikers’ detention by Iranian forces – friends and family of the three Americans will be holding a rally in New York in an effort to prompt firmer action on behalf of Shane Bauer, Sarah Shourd, and Josh Fattal, who have languished in an Iranian prison for a year and who will continue to do so until such time as the Obama Administration steps up to the plate and does everything in its power to secure the liberty of three American citizens who’ve found themselves abducted by a theocratic and criminal regime.
And, Barrett Brown is an exceptional writer.
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tradewind Tue, Jul 27, 2010 5:06:25pm |
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cliffster Tue, Jul 27, 2010 5:06:46pm |
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ointmentfly Tue, Jul 27, 2010 5:07:45pm |
re: #361 brookly red
Thats what I’m talkin’ about …. If he had just rocked the Casbah instead of wearing military garb!!
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brookly red Tue, Jul 27, 2010 5:09:11pm |
re: #366 ointmentfly
Thats what I’m talkin’ about … If he had just rocked the Casbah instead of wearing military garb!!
The king called up his jet fighters
He said you better earn your pay
Drop your bombs between the minarets
Down the Casbah way
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Jul 27, 2010 5:12:11pm |
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justaminute Tue, Jul 27, 2010 5:13:09pm |
re: #348 prairiefire
The Shah’s son says he’ll never be a ruler like his dad. But if Iranians want him, he will give up his life in the US. But the Iranians have to take out the regime now and he waltz on back.
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brookly red Tue, Jul 27, 2010 5:13:41pm |
re: #368 Walter L. Newton
No… France declared war…
[Link: news.yahoo.com…]
do you think the have had enough?
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prairiefire Tue, Jul 27, 2010 5:14:09pm |
re: #363 jaunte
When Mr. Brown posted a video comment on LGF, I thought he sounded a lot like George Plimpton.
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freetoken Tue, Jul 27, 2010 5:23:23pm |
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Aceofwhat? Tue, Jul 27, 2010 5:25:04pm |
re: #373 brookly red
the awkward silence…
i’m trying to improve my handling of “Killing in the Name Of” on my acoustic, and waiting for you to say something funny.
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TheMatrix31 Tue, Jul 27, 2010 5:25:10pm |
LOL…..Alan Colmes’ personal website is “Alan.com”
That guy is the definition of “fucking LOSER”
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goddamnedfrank Tue, Jul 27, 2010 5:25:52pm |
re: #360 prairiefire
Keep on Truckin’
[Video]
Mercy sakes alive, it looks like we got us a convoy:
/rubber duck
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cliffster Tue, Jul 27, 2010 5:26:50pm |
re: #375 Aceofwhat?
i’m trying to improve my handling of “Killing in the Name Of” on my acoustic, and waiting for you to say something funny.
Killing in the Name Of… a cappella.
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austin_blue Tue, Jul 27, 2010 5:27:29pm |
Hi folks!
I rained north of me, south of me, east and west of me today, but here in the ‘04?
Nooo!!!
By the way, I’m sure you have probably seen this, but here is the best picture set I have found of Mr. Lucky, Flight Captain Brian Bews of the CAF.
That ACES II seat is dynamite!
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Obdicut Tue, Jul 27, 2010 5:27:59pm |
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austin_blue Tue, Jul 27, 2010 5:28:00pm |
re: #380 austin_blue
Hi folks!
I rained north of me, south of me, east and west of me today, but here in the ‘04?
Nooo!!!
By the way, I’m sure you have probably seen this, but here is the best picture set I have found of Mr. Lucky, Flight Captain Brian Bews of the CAF.
That ACES II seat is dynamite!
Oops. Linkie:
[Link: news.yahoo.com…]
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Aceofwhat? Tue, Jul 27, 2010 5:28:42pm |
re: #376 TheMatrix31
LOL…Alan Colmes’ personal website is “Alan.com”
That guy is the definition of “fucking LOSER”
what’s with the bile? i always thought he was rather reasonable, for a liberal.
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TheMatrix31 Tue, Jul 27, 2010 5:29:29pm |
re: #381 Obdicut
It’s like me having “Jacob.com”.
Worthless guy thinks he’s important that he can go on a first-name basis for his URL.
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cliffster Tue, Jul 27, 2010 5:29:52pm |
re: #379 freetoken
Dude, your envy is showing.
It’s cool that he interviewed Charles, but that doesn’t make him not a douche. Charles would eat his intellectual liver for breakfast, with some scrambled eggs.
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wrenchwench Tue, Jul 27, 2010 5:29:52pm |
re: #321 albusteve
in other, more important news…AZ is thriving, despite all being racist borderbots…wtf is the left going to do now?, if the racist card won’t work, what will?
[Link: www.foxnews.com…]
That article tries to have it both ways.
“Fundamentally, the boycotts have been unsuccessful,” said Barry Broome, president of the Greater Phoenix Economic Council.
And
The Greater Phoenix Economic Council and Greater Phoenix Chamber of Commerce have launched a new website to build opposition to the boycotts. The site, “Stop AZ Boycotts,” features video testimonials from Arizona workers about how the boycotts have negatively affected their livelihoods.In one, a waitress at The Arizona Center said canceled conventions have cut her earnings in half.
The statistics they claim as proof that the boycott has failed are from before the boycott. How dumb do they think their viewers are?
/that was rhetorical…
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Aceofwhat? Tue, Jul 27, 2010 5:30:33pm |
re: #378 cliffster
Killing in the Name Of… a cappella.
heh…actually, i don’t know the lyrics and don’t care to. the main guitar riffs in the song are so classic…
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TheMatrix31 Tue, Jul 27, 2010 5:31:16pm |
re: #383 Aceofwhat?
He’s on board with a Kucinich/Paul resolution to remove all troops from Afghanistan and Iraq.
Not reasonable. Idiotic.
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Aceofwhat? Tue, Jul 27, 2010 5:31:40pm |
re: #385 TheMatrix31
It’s like me having “Jacob.com”.
Worthless guy thinks he’s important that he can go on a first-name basis for his URL.
weird thing to summon emotion about. dude’s trying to make a living, right?
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Jul 27, 2010 5:31:54pm |
re: #367 brookly red
Upding for the Clash!
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Aceofwhat? Tue, Jul 27, 2010 5:32:03pm |
re: #389 TheMatrix31
He’s on board with a Kucinich/Paul resolution to remove all troops from Afghanistan and Iraq.
Not reasonable. Idiotic.
huh. i hadn’t heard that.
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cliffster Tue, Jul 27, 2010 5:32:25pm |
re: #388 Aceofwhat?
heh…actually, i don’t know the lyrics and don’t care to. the main guitar riffs in the song are so classic…
Hits you in that place down deep.. the simple, carnal, RAAWRRR place. Simple music constructs appeal to the simple emotions.
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TheMatrix31 Tue, Jul 27, 2010 5:32:25pm |
re: #390 Aceofwhat?
He’s not Cher, Madonna, Prince, Kobe, Shaq, or Pele. LOL.
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TheMatrix31 Tue, Jul 27, 2010 5:33:54pm |
re: #392 Aceofwhat?
Just going based off what my buddy told me through IM chat just now. Made me chuckle at the idiocy. Gonna go find more about it.
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goddamnedfrank Tue, Jul 27, 2010 5:34:00pm |
re: #385 TheMatrix31
It’s like me having “Jacob.com”.
Worthless guy thinks he’s important that he can go on a first-name basis for his URL.
Somebody had to snipe Alda on that one, might as well be Colmes.
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Obdicut Tue, Jul 27, 2010 5:34:11pm |
re: #385 TheMatrix31
It’s like me having “Jacob.com”.
Worthless guy thinks he’s important that he can go on a first-name basis for his URL.
Um….
okay, this is kind of nuts of you, dude.
I don’t know what else to say.
There are better things in the world to get angry about. Bothering to make a post on this… just freaking weird.
Did Alam Colmes shoot your tired out or something?
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TheMatrix31 Tue, Jul 27, 2010 5:35:07pm |
[Link: blogs.wsj.com…]
I guess it was Pakistan, not Afghanistan/Iraq……still ridiculous.
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bratwurst Tue, Jul 27, 2010 5:35:20pm |
Could it have anything to do with the fact a lot of people think his last name is Combs?
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TheMatrix31 Tue, Jul 27, 2010 5:35:58pm |
re: #397 Obdicut
Dude who cares lol, it’s a message board for a reason. No one was talking about anything, I found it funny, lots of people post even more worthless stuff around the internet. No big deal.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Jul 27, 2010 5:35:59pm |
Supper… BBL… got some rattlesnake cooking
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Obdicut Tue, Jul 27, 2010 5:37:17pm |
re: #399 TheMatrix31
[Link: blogs.wsj.com…]
I guess it was Pakistan, not Afghanistan/Iraq…still ridiculous.
wow. So you were completely wrong. But you have no problem having passed on a rumor you got over IM as fact, and now being totally wrong about it. And Alan Colmes still sucks.
| 404 |
Wozza Matter? Tue, Jul 27, 2010 5:38:49pm |
g’night all.
docs in the morning to try and get my shoulder sorted. damn things not healing.
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TheMatrix31 Tue, Jul 27, 2010 5:38:52pm |
re: #403 Obdicut
Won’t be the last time I’m wrong about something. I don’t mind admitting it either.
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Obdicut Tue, Jul 27, 2010 5:39:23pm |
re: #401 TheMatrix31
It’s the weird, frothy anger you have for Mr. Colmes that’s weird, dude, not that you posted about it.
Especially when you were totally wrong about what you were going on about.
If beck wants to register Beck.com— well, I’d prefer it was the musical Beck, but if the blowhard one wants to do it, you know, that’s totally fine. Even though he’s a dick. Because he’s a famous dick, and y’know, it’d make sense for him to do it.
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Aceofwhat? Tue, Jul 27, 2010 5:40:05pm |
re: #404 wozzablog
g’night all.
docs in the morning to try and get my shoulder sorted. damn things not healing.
best of luck-
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Wozza Matter? Tue, Jul 27, 2010 5:41:12pm |
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TheMatrix31 Tue, Jul 27, 2010 5:41:24pm |
re: #406 Obdicut
“colmes.com” would make sense.
“beck.com” would make sense too
I guess its just weird for someone to register a VERY common first name as their website URL, if they’re trying to distinguish themselves.
I don’t have anger for Colmes, I just think he’s worthless as a commentator.
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Vicious Babushka Tue, Jul 27, 2010 5:41:40pm |
re: #385 TheMatrix31
It’s like me having “Jacob.com”.
Worthless guy thinks he’s important that he can go on a first-name basis for his URL.
I couldn’t even get my own name on Facebook, my daughter-in-law has it. LOL.
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goddamnedfrank Tue, Jul 27, 2010 5:42:13pm |
re: #406 Obdicut
It’s the weird, frothy anger you have for Mr. Colmes that’s weird, dude, not that you posted about it.
Especially when you were totally wrong about what you were going on about.
If beck wants to register Beck.com— well, I’d prefer it was the musical Beck, but if the blowhard one wants to do it, you know, that’s totally fine. Even though he’s a dick. Because he’s a famous dick, and y’know, it’d make sense for him to do it.
Hell, if beck.com was open I’d buy it and change my name to beck.com.
| 413 |
TheMatrix31 Tue, Jul 27, 2010 5:42:28pm |
re: #411 Alouette
I’ve seen multiple instances of the same name on FB….dunno.
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Obdicut Tue, Jul 27, 2010 5:42:34pm |
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albusteve Tue, Jul 27, 2010 5:42:41pm |
re: #410 TheMatrix31
“colmes.com” would make sense.
“beck.com” would make sense too
I guess its just weird for someone to register a VERY common first name as their website URL, if they’re trying to distinguish themselves.
I don’t have anger for Colmes, I just think he’s worthless as a commentator.
I saw him once…he was fun to look at, Skeletor…don’t rat me out to Walter
| 416 |
brookly red Tue, Jul 27, 2010 5:43:08pm |
| 418 |
albusteve Tue, Jul 27, 2010 5:43:50pm |
| 419 |
Aceofwhat? Tue, Jul 27, 2010 5:44:02pm |
re: #406 Obdicut
It’s the weird, frothy anger you have for Mr. Colmes that’s weird, dude, not that you posted about it.
Especially when you were totally wrong about what you were going on about.
If beck wants to register Beck.com— well, I’d prefer it was the musical Beck, but if the blowhard one wants to do it, you know, that’s totally fine. Even though he’s a dick. Because he’s a famous dick, and y’know, it’d make sense for him to do it.
capitalism, right? i mean, i see Matrix’s point…liven up a slow thread with a random take…but i sorta celebrate capitalism even when a liberal makes use of it…feels sort of inconsistent otherwise/
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Mardukhai Tue, Jul 27, 2010 5:44:25pm |
re: #147 freetoken
Sadly, this isn’t the only example of the oil industry steering American foreign policy.
Actually it was the British oil industry. The CIA’s interest was in the Iranian prime minister’s game of patty-cake with the Communist Tudeh Party. His reasons for doing this were was really strange, since the Americans had forced the Soviets off of Iranian territory only five years earlier. Link
Iran owed its territorial integrity to the Americans, and Mosadeq had a strange way of showing gratitude and a complete lack of common sense.
| 422 |
brookly red Tue, Jul 27, 2010 5:44:54pm |
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reine.de.tout Tue, Jul 27, 2010 5:45:04pm |
re: #411 Alouette
I couldn’t even get my own name on Facebook, my daughter-in-law has it. LOL.
That’s when you need to get creative.
My daughter has friend whose FB name is Jane Loveisaddicting Doe (only she uses her real name instead of Jane and Doe).
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albusteve Tue, Jul 27, 2010 5:45:49pm |
re: #419 Aceofwhat?
capitalism, right? i mean, i see Matrix’s point…liven up a slow thread with a random take…but i sorta celebrate capitalism even when a liberal makes use of it…feels sort of inconsistent otherwise/
Charles himself posts random, bizarre posts and tweets….what’s the big fucking deal?….yak yak over nothing
| 425 |
brookly red Tue, Jul 27, 2010 5:47:09pm |
re: #423 reine.de.tout
That’s when you need to get creative.
My daughter has friend whose FB name is Jane Loveisaddicting Doe (only she uses her real name instead of Jane and Doe).
FB? Humbug!
| 426 |
TheMatrix31 Tue, Jul 27, 2010 5:47:15pm |
Alan Colmes wouldn’t even be the 30th “Alan” I’d think of if I’m trying to figure out famous Alan’s.
| 427 |
albusteve Tue, Jul 27, 2010 5:47:52pm |
re: #422 brookly red
I am going for Chinese take out…
Four Joons slamgoo on the counter waiting to be devoured…excellent Chinese a half mile from my place, not world class but very satisfying
| 428 |
brookly red Tue, Jul 27, 2010 5:48:39pm |
re: #427 albusteve
Four Joons slamgoo on the counter waiting to be devoured…excellent Chinese a half mile from my place, not world class but very satisfying
sooner or later they win…
| 429 |
wrenchwench Tue, Jul 27, 2010 5:48:50pm |
re: #423 reine.de.tout
Hi Reine. I posted some comments on a days-old link of yours. Then I read the Wiki page and realized I pretty much wasted my time. Oh well.
Thanks for the link anyway. I learned from it.
| 430 |
windsagio Tue, Jul 27, 2010 5:49:35pm |
re: #424 albusteve
The point is the guys irrational hatred for a random media figure.
Its just as stupid and worthless as me posting and going “OH MY GOD [Link: www.billoreilly.com!…] What kind of loser names a site after himself?!”
Just another case of some guy figuring out some way to vent his bile.
| 431 |
albusteve Tue, Jul 27, 2010 5:50:00pm |
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Aceofwhat? Tue, Jul 27, 2010 5:50:27pm |
re: #424 albusteve
Charles himself posts random, bizarre posts and tweets…what’s the big fucking deal?…yak yak over nothing
yak yak over nothing with friends > no yak at all.
it’s science.
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laZardo Tue, Jul 27, 2010 5:50:55pm |
re: #419 Aceofwhat?
There’s good capitalism, and bad capitalism. BP does not all of capitalism represent.
/meds got me talkin funny.
//also good morning
| 434 |
albusteve Tue, Jul 27, 2010 5:51:24pm |
re: #430 windsagio
The point is the guys irrational hatred for a random media figure.
Its just as stupid and worthless as me posting and going “OH MY GOD [Link: www.billoreilly.com!…] What kind of loser names a site after himself?!”
Just another case of some guy figuring out some way to vent his bile.
I get it…..I don’t dwell on such a insignificant thing
| 436 |
albusteve Tue, Jul 27, 2010 5:51:53pm |
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Aceofwhat? Tue, Jul 27, 2010 5:52:03pm |
re: #423 reine.de.tout
That’s when you need to get creative.
My daughter has friend whose FB name is Jane Loveisaddicting Doe (only she uses her real name instead of Jane and Doe).
My name on FB is my real name…i thought they allowed duplicates? Of course, i don’t FB much, so i’m probably missing something very basic!
| 438 |
reine.de.tout Tue, Jul 27, 2010 5:52:10pm |
re: #429 wrenchwench
Hi Reine. I posted some comments on a days-old link of yours. Then I read the Wiki page and realized I pretty much wasted my time. Oh well.
Thanks for the link anyway. I learned from it.
I was interested by the fact that JIDF was very unhappy with the folks they listed.
| 439 |
windsagio Tue, Jul 27, 2010 5:52:35pm |
re: #434 albusteve
Well I’ve noticed that it varies from day to day, with you ;)
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Aceofwhat? Tue, Jul 27, 2010 5:53:23pm |
re: #433 laZardo
nice.
good morning, my jaunty Filipino dude…are the meds at least helping? i didn’t know you were sick.
| 441 |
albusteve Tue, Jul 27, 2010 5:53:33pm |
re: #437 Aceofwhat?
My name on FB is my real name…i thought they allowed duplicates? Of course, i don’t FB much, so i’m probably missing something very basic!
excuse me….don’t you have anything better to do?
go call your mother
| 442 |
TheMatrix31 Tue, Jul 27, 2010 5:53:40pm |
re: #437 Aceofwhat?
Yes, they do. There are a shitload of Harry Gardener’s on the face of this Earth. The first one to sign up doesn’t ruin it for the rest.
| 443 |
wrenchwench Tue, Jul 27, 2010 5:53:45pm |
re: #438 reine.de.tout
I was interested by the fact that JIDF was very unhappy with the folks they listed.
Me too. I thought they were clueless that Spencer and Geller have been bigots for years, but I guess they were OK with that until very recently…
| 444 |
windsagio Tue, Jul 27, 2010 5:54:08pm |
re: #432 Aceofwhat?
the other piece is that its a rough-and-tumble place. If the guy does something blindly partisan like that he doesn’t have the right to kick when people jump him.
Its like when you or I post about atheism. We know whats coming, but we don’t complain about people coming back at us.
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reine.de.tout Tue, Jul 27, 2010 5:54:18pm |
re: #429 wrenchwench
Hi Reine. I posted some comments on a days-old link of yours. Then I read the Wiki page and realized I pretty much wasted my time. Oh well.
Thanks for the link anyway. I learned from it.
Just went to what YOU linked at that site.
All I saw was the story I posted; it came in a tweet, and I thought it was interesting. I never saw that list of articles.
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albusteve Tue, Jul 27, 2010 5:54:23pm |
re: #439 windsagio
Well I’ve noticed that it varies from day to day, with you ;)
I’m talking about you, not me….pay attention if you address me
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Aceofwhat? Tue, Jul 27, 2010 5:54:57pm |
re: #441 albusteve
excuse me…don’t you have anything better to do?
go call your mother
nah. we live five minutes from them. but i am making progress on the acoustic…
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austin_blue Tue, Jul 27, 2010 5:54:59pm |
re: #423 reine.de.tout
That’s when you need to get creative.
My daughter has friend whose FB name is Jane Loveisaddicting Doe (only she uses her real name instead of Jane and Doe).
Hey reine!
How’s my favorite member of royalty this evening?
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lawhawk Tue, Jul 27, 2010 5:55:09pm |
The three hikers aren’t the only Americans being held by Iran. The Alaei brothers have now been held by Iran for more than 2 years - and were sentenced to 12 years in prison last October.
Their crimes? They were accused of seeking to foment a revolution. How? By attending AIDS and human rights conferences overseas. Did I mention that they’re AIDS researchers and doctors (one previously attended my alma mater)? (My coverage here).
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albusteve Tue, Jul 27, 2010 5:56:13pm |
re: #447 Aceofwhat?
nah. we live five minutes from them. but i am making progress on the acoustic…
gah!
my dear old mom is 1500 miles from me
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reine.de.tout Tue, Jul 27, 2010 5:56:16pm |
re: #448 austin_blue
Hey reine!
How’s my favorite member of royalty this evening?
Doing great!
The Roi will be going back to work in about 2 weeks - of course, he’ll have to drive to Corpus Christi and take a boat, but hey - it ain’t Nigeria, you know, so we’re happy!
How are you?
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Aceofwhat? Tue, Jul 27, 2010 5:56:50pm |
re: #442 TheMatrix31
Yes, they do. There are a shitload of Harry Gardener’s on the face of this Earth. The first one to sign up doesn’t ruin it for the rest.
well, i lean conservative more often than not, and domain names strike me somewhat like real estate. if you bought it fair and square, i’m not going to whine about it.
isn’t what you’re describing just…capitalism at work?
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TheMatrix31 Tue, Jul 27, 2010 5:56:58pm |
Fremont, Neb., City Council suspends voter-approved ban on hiring, renting to illegal immigrants - AP
….oh jeez.
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windsagio Tue, Jul 27, 2010 5:57:35pm |
re: #454 Aceofwhat?
Isn’t domain squatting illegal now tho’?
I think that if you can show clear claim to a name, you can kick somebody else off the domain in court.
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austin_blue Tue, Jul 27, 2010 5:57:35pm |
re: #452 reine.de.tout
Doing great!
The Roi will be going back to work in about 2 weeks - of course, he’ll have to drive to Corpus Christi and take a boat, but hey - it ain’t Nigeria, you know, so we’re happy!How are you?
I am well, thank you. Is the Roi on 14/14 towers by now?
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albusteve Tue, Jul 27, 2010 5:57:42pm |
re: #449 lawhawk
The three hikers aren’t the only Americans being held by Iran. The Alaei brothers have now been held by Iran for more than 2 years - and were sentenced to 12 years in prison last October.
Their crimes? They were accused of seeking to foment a revolution. How? By attending AIDS and human rights conferences overseas. Did I mention that they’re AIDS researchers and doctors (one previously attended my alma mater)? (My coverage here).
well that’s one hell of a story…
time to act on behalf of our fellow citizens
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Aceofwhat? Tue, Jul 27, 2010 5:57:45pm |
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TheMatrix31 Tue, Jul 27, 2010 5:57:55pm |
re: #454 Aceofwhat?
Yes it is man, I’m not caring about anything other than the name aspect. I just think it’s a weird choice, that’s all. Jeez.
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reine.de.tout Tue, Jul 27, 2010 5:58:08pm |
re: #457 austin_blue
I am well, thank you. Is the Roi on 14/14 towers by now?
oh, yeah, has been for awhile.
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wrenchwench Tue, Jul 27, 2010 5:58:35pm |
re: #445 reine.de.tout
Just went to what YOU linked at that site.
All I saw was the story I posted; it came in a tweet, and I thought it was interesting. I never saw that list of articles.
That was supposed to be a link to that comment by the admin., but got the front page instead. The admin. person scrubbed his own comment too. But your Page has it for posterity!
See y’all tomorrow.
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albusteve Tue, Jul 27, 2010 5:59:04pm |
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Aceofwhat? Tue, Jul 27, 2010 5:59:08pm |
re: #456 windsagio
Isn’t domain squatting illegal now tho’?
I think that if you can show clear claim to a name, you can kick somebody else off the domain in court.
that’s a good question…i don’t know. it would make some sense, in a manner akin to copyright protection.
OTOH, “Alan” just seems like fair game, regardless of the politics of the guy who currently owns it;)
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windsagio Tue, Jul 27, 2010 5:59:57pm |
re: #464 Aceofwhat?
that’s a good question…i don’t know. it would make some sense, in a manner akin to copyright protection.
OTOH, “Alan” just seems like fair game, regardless of the politics of the guy who currently owns it;)
Totally! Thats some crap that Disney would pull to try to the first comer doesn’t have the right to ‘Alan’.
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reine.de.tout Tue, Jul 27, 2010 6:00:02pm |
re: #461 reine.de.tout
oh, yeah, has been for awhile.
AND, he’s been home since the first part of June, it’s time for him to get back to work. Driving me nuts …
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Aceofwhat? Tue, Jul 27, 2010 6:01:34pm |
re: #460 TheMatrix31
Yes it is man, I’m not caring about anything other than the name aspect. I just think it’s a weird choice, that’s all. Jeez.
Oh. I think it’s a great choice. Like Frank said, and you know i’m shooting straight when i am forced to agree with Frank (heh), i’d register my own first name in a heartbeat if it was available. and if someone else’s was available, i’d be very tempted to change my name…
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Aceofwhat? Tue, Jul 27, 2010 6:02:00pm |
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brookly red Tue, Jul 27, 2010 6:02:10pm |
re: #427 albusteve
Four Joons slamgoo on the counter waiting to be devoured…excellent Chinese a half mile from my place, not world class but very satisfying
btw did you ever order the grandpa pie?
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austin_blue Tue, Jul 27, 2010 6:02:12pm |
re: #461 reine.de.tout
oh, yeah, has been for awhile.
Outstanding!
By the way, for those of you on Mountain and Western time, check out PBS tonight. Just finished watching a Nova about “Who Shot Down Baron von Richtofen?”
Outstanding History/detective show.
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prairiefire Tue, Jul 27, 2010 6:02:27pm |
re: #466 reine.de.tout
AND, he’s been home since the first part of June, it’s time for him to get back to work. Driving me nuts …
On Christmas break, I’m like, Dude~I had that open for a reason…
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Aceofwhat? Tue, Jul 27, 2010 6:03:15pm |
re: #465 windsagio
Totally! Thats some crap that Disney would pull to try to the first comer doesn’t have the right to ‘Alan’.
i’m sorry. i read that about four times in an effort not to be pedantic, but i have croutons all over me…help!
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windsagio Tue, Jul 27, 2010 6:04:22pm |
re: #473 Aceofwhat?
i’m sorry. i read that about four times in an effort not to be pedantic, but i have croutons all over me…help!
Lololol fair enough.
I’m trying to remember now, wasn’t it Disney that tried to claim copywrite to a bunch of Grimm/HCA crap? Have a bit of a headache so I might be getting my stories crossed.
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Vicious Babushka Tue, Jul 27, 2010 6:04:59pm |
re: #423 reine.de.tout
That’s when you need to get creative.
My daughter has friend whose FB name is Jane Loveisaddicting Doe (only she uses her real name instead of Jane and Doe).
I just use my middle initial.
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Jul 27, 2010 6:05:10pm |
re: #466 reine.de.tout
Good news!
Hooray!
*waves*
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austin_blue Tue, Jul 27, 2010 6:05:25pm |
re: #466 reine.de.tout
AND, he’s been home since the first part of June, it’s time for him to get back to work. Driving me nuts …
A friend of mine has a husband who retired early. All he did was follow her around all day (he was a former corporate manager). She told him to get a hobby or she’d divorce him. He’s a pretty decent classical guitarist now.
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Racer X Tue, Jul 27, 2010 6:05:28pm |
So, France has officially declared war against al-Qaida.
Has the U.S. done that? If not, should we?
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prairiefire Tue, Jul 27, 2010 6:05:38pm |
re: #474 windsagio
Yes, i think so. It was settled against them. They will sic their lawyers against any one who messes with the Mouse.
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TheMatrix31 Tue, Jul 27, 2010 6:06:11pm |
re: #478 Racer X
Hopefully we do, so we can fight against the man-caused disasters.
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laZardo Tue, Jul 27, 2010 6:06:39pm |
re: #470 austin_blue
Outstanding!
By the way, for those of you on Mountain and Western time, check out PBS tonight. Just finished watching a Nova about “Who Shot Down Baron von Richtofen?”
Outstanding History/detective show.
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albusteve Tue, Jul 27, 2010 6:06:41pm |
re: #478 Racer X
So, France has officially declared war against al-Qaida.
Has the U.S. done that? If not, should we?
and piss of the leftbots?
I don’t think so…negotiate
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windsagio Tue, Jul 27, 2010 6:07:07pm |
re: #479 prairiefire
Thanks :)
So yeah my point is, You’d have to be an evil corporation like Disney to think you could make claim to something as generic as a first name, if somebody else got there first :)
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brookly red Tue, Jul 27, 2010 6:07:24pm |
re: #478 Racer X
So, France has officially declared war against al-Qaida.
Has the U.S. done that? If not, should we?
yes & no. well we did invade Iraq & Afghanistan but we still can’t say the M word…
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austin_blue Tue, Jul 27, 2010 6:07:36pm |
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windsagio Tue, Jul 27, 2010 6:07:45pm |
re: #482 albusteve
The preferred term is ‘leftotron’. -1 for getting it wrong.
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Aceofwhat? Tue, Jul 27, 2010 6:07:48pm |
re: #474 windsagio
Lololol fair enough.
I’m trying to remember now, wasn’t it Disney that tried to claim copywrite to a bunch of Grimm/HCA crap? Have a bit of a headache so I might be getting my stories crossed.
oh. i don’t know…i wouldn’t put it past them.
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TheMatrix31 Tue, Jul 27, 2010 6:07:59pm |
re: #482 albusteve
I’m down for some strongly worded letters.
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albusteve Tue, Jul 27, 2010 6:08:25pm |
re: #484 brookly red
yes & no. well we did invade Iraq & Afghanistan but we still can’t say the M word…
there is no AQ in Astan….they have all moved to Florida for now
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austin_blue Tue, Jul 27, 2010 6:08:51pm |
re: #482 albusteve
and piss of the leftbots?
I don’t think so…negotiate
Tell that to the bastards who are routinely getting killed by Predators.
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Aceofwhat? Tue, Jul 27, 2010 6:09:04pm |
re: #478 Racer X
So, France has officially declared war against al-Qaida.
Has the U.S. done that? If not, should we?
i think they fit under the umbrella of ‘terror’ against which we have declared war…
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Jul 27, 2010 6:09:07pm |
re: #376 TheMatrix31
LOL…Alan Colmes’ personal website is “Alan.com”
That guy is the definition of “fucking LOSER”
yeah because I’m sure you’ve accomplished more in your life than a nationally known professional broadcaster
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Racer X Tue, Jul 27, 2010 6:09:10pm |
re: #484 brookly red
yes & no. well we did invade Iraq & Afghanistan but we still can’t say the M word…
Well, we could declare war on RI.
Radical Islamists.
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Aceofwhat? Tue, Jul 27, 2010 6:09:43pm |
re: #490 albusteve
there is no AQ in Astan…they have all moved to Florida for now
what? here? lemme at ‘em…
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brookly red Tue, Jul 27, 2010 6:10:04pm |
re: #494 Racer X
Well, we could declare war on RI.
Radical Islamists.
no I don’t see that happening…
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albusteve Tue, Jul 27, 2010 6:10:26pm |
re: #488 TheMatrix31
I’m down for some strongly worded letters.
invitations to a Sox game, have a footlong and a beer…problem solved
(signed, BO the Unclenched)
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laZardo Tue, Jul 27, 2010 6:10:28pm |
re: #494 Racer X
Well, we could declare war on RI.
Radical Islamists.
Dammit, and I finally thought we could make Quahog vanish from the pages of time.
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windsagio Tue, Jul 27, 2010 6:11:03pm |
re: #493 WindUpBird
HE OWNS A LIMO COMPANY AND WENT TO HARVARD!
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albusteve Tue, Jul 27, 2010 6:11:39pm |
re: #491 austin_blue
Tell that to the bastards who are routinely getting killed by Predators.
“we’re going to Disney World!”
| 501 |
prairiefire Tue, Jul 27, 2010 6:11:41pm |
My cousin just posted on FB she likes “The Secret’s”’ status. Why does “the secret” remind me of EST?
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TheMatrix31 Tue, Jul 27, 2010 6:11:43pm |
re: #493 WindUpBird
And I’m sure Mahmood Ahmedinejad has also accomplished more than I have in my life, doesn’t mean he’s not a fucking loser as well.
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windsagio Tue, Jul 27, 2010 6:12:06pm |
re: #502 TheMatrix31
at some point you need to see the diff between ‘bad man’ and ‘loser’.
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reine.de.tout Tue, Jul 27, 2010 6:12:33pm |
re: #471 prairiefire
On Christmas break, I’m like, Dude~I had that open for a reason…
He gets so bored, he will mow the lawn twice a week.
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albusteve Tue, Jul 27, 2010 6:12:34pm |
re: #493 WindUpBird
yeah because I’m sure you’ve accomplished more in your life than a nationally known professional broadcaster
a real NNB!
‘faints’
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Four More Tears Tue, Jul 27, 2010 6:12:42pm |
re: #501 prairiefire
My cousin just posted on FB she likes “The Secret’s”’ status. Why does “the secret” remind me of EST?
Eastern Standard Time? This abbreviation is over my head…
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TheMatrix31 Tue, Jul 27, 2010 6:13:03pm |
re: #499 windsagio
I actually came up with the naming rights to a successful local business, graduated from a world-renowned university, and am on my way to trying to make a shit-ton of money after graduate school so I can give half of it to the government.
Hooray for me!
| 510 |
Racer X Tue, Jul 27, 2010 6:13:32pm |
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Jul 27, 2010 6:13:46pm |
re: #508 JasonA
Eastern Standard Time? This abbreviation is over my head…
Erhard sensitivity training
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reine.de.tout Tue, Jul 27, 2010 6:14:10pm |
re: #475 Alouette
I just use my middle initial.
aw. c’mon.
That’s so dull and boring!
Alouette Imkickingsomeass Babushka - has a nice ring to it!
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Jul 27, 2010 6:14:18pm |
re: #502 TheMatrix31
And I’m sure Mahmood Ahmedinejad has also accomplished more than I have in my life, doesn’t mean he’s not a fucking loser as well.
Your middle name is Godwin, isn’t it
| 517 |
TheMatrix31 Tue, Jul 27, 2010 6:15:10pm |
re: #516 WindUpBird
Guess I’m not that smart. I don’t get stupid references.
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Nimed Tue, Jul 27, 2010 6:15:30pm |
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TheMatrix31 Tue, Jul 27, 2010 6:16:20pm |
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albusteve Tue, Jul 27, 2010 6:16:20pm |
re: #517 TheMatrix31
Guess I’m not that smart. I don’t get stupid references.
what?….not a cyber nerd?
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reine.de.tout Tue, Jul 27, 2010 6:16:35pm |
re: #477 austin_blue
A friend of mine has a husband who retired early. All he did was follow her around all day (he was a former corporate manager). She told him to get a hobby or she’d divorce him. He’s a pretty decent classical guitarist now.
The Roi will just go around the house turning out the lights I need to be able to see to do whatever it is I’m doing.
I bought the curly bulbs, because they last longer and use way less electricity, put out virtually no heat whatsoever, specifically to get him to quit it with the damned lights.
He still turns ‘em out. All of them. I’ll go into a room and start doing something and get aggravated, and then I realize I’m aggravated because I can’t see.
He needs to just leave the lights alone.
| 522 |
TheMatrix31 Tue, Jul 27, 2010 6:17:12pm |
re: #520 albusteve
Contrary to popular belief, no I am not.
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Jul 27, 2010 6:18:01pm |
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windsagio Tue, Jul 27, 2010 6:18:06pm |
re: #519 TheMatrix31
Of course you don’t care! Thats why you felt the need to tell us :)
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TheMatrix31 Tue, Jul 27, 2010 6:18:52pm |
re: #524 windsagio
I was responding to your secretary’s claims that I haven’t accomplished anything in my life, certainly not anywhere near Alan “dot com” Colmes.
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Aceofwhat? Tue, Jul 27, 2010 6:19:36pm |
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TheMatrix31 Tue, Jul 27, 2010 6:20:10pm |
re: #526 windsagio
Congratulations bro. I hope she works out for ya.
| 529 |
windsagio Tue, Jul 27, 2010 6:20:24pm |
re: #527 Aceofwhat?
See you I believe, I’ve seen the photos.
/no don’t ask how I managed to link you to that particular site…
:D
| 530 |
Aceofwhat? Tue, Jul 27, 2010 6:20:54pm |
re: #529 windsagio
See you I believe, I’ve seen the photos.
/no don’t ask how I managed to link you to that particular site…
:D
uh-oh
| 531 |
albusteve Tue, Jul 27, 2010 6:20:59pm |
re: #527 Aceofwhat?
I forgot to mention that i am 6’6” and 285lbs of gorgeous muscle…
a perfect specimen for ping pong!…..wow!
| 532 |
TheMatrix31 Tue, Jul 27, 2010 6:21:03pm |
re: #529 windsagio
I wouldn’t have had to be “that guy” who talks about what he’s done if your secretary didn’t try to call me out.
| 533 |
Nimed Tue, Jul 27, 2010 6:21:04pm |
re: #519 TheMatrix31
re: #518 Nimed
I don’t expect, nor care, for you guys to believe me. LOL. It’s not a competition.
Step 1- Brag with unverifiable fact about personal life
Step 2 - I DON’T CARE WHAT Y’ALL THINK!
Te be honest, I’m not just describing your behavior — we’ve all been there at some point in our childhood.
| 534 |
goddamnedfrank Tue, Jul 27, 2010 6:21:11pm |
re: #509 TheMatrix31
I actually came up with the naming rights to a successful local business, graduated from a world-renowned university, and am on my way to trying to make a shit-ton of money after graduate school so I can give half of it to the government.
Hooray for me!
Fantastic news, finally you’ll be able to move away from the Los Angeles that you hate so dearly and get that personality transplant we’ve always prayed for.
| 535 |
Aceofwhat? Tue, Jul 27, 2010 6:21:25pm |
re: #531 albusteve
a perfect specimen for ping pong!…wow!
dammit. i forgot i’d been more honest earlier.
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b_sharp Tue, Jul 27, 2010 6:21:30pm |
re: #451 albusteve
gah!
my dear old mom is 1500 miles from me
Appreciate her while she’s around. My mom’s 250 Kms away and 6’ under ground. Every once in a while I need to talk to her and she isn’t there.
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reine.de.tout Tue, Jul 27, 2010 6:22:13pm |
re: #536 b_sharp
Appreciate her while she’s around. My mom’s 250 Kms away and 6’ under ground. Every once in a while I need to talk to her and she isn’t there.
ditto here, ‘cept mine’s closer.
Cherish and appreciate NOW.
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Political Atheist Tue, Jul 27, 2010 6:22:59pm |
re: #452 reine.de.tout
Fantastic!!! So glad he got work. Nigeria would just not be a good Cajuns style.
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prairiefire Tue, Jul 27, 2010 6:23:10pm |
re: #538 reine.de.tout
Even when they get a little loopy.
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windsagio Tue, Jul 27, 2010 6:23:15pm |
lol tough crowd :D
I think I’ll move on to the next tough crowd, since I’m having the overwhelming urge to make things worse.
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albusteve Tue, Jul 27, 2010 6:23:43pm |
re: #536 b_sharp
Appreciate her while she’s around. My mom’s 250 Kms away and 6’ under ground. Every once in a while I need to talk to her and she isn’t there.
I’m very close to the old lady…my dad died in 2004 and I was devastated…still have residual affects…I get up there 2-3 times a year
| 543 |
reine.de.tout Tue, Jul 27, 2010 6:23:58pm |
re: #523 Floral Giraffe
Can I borrow him?
hehehehe.
Sure!
He also mows for the lady across the street, who is 85 years old and not well, and whose own kids and grandkids are nowhere to be seen.
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albusteve Tue, Jul 27, 2010 6:24:31pm |
re: #541 windsagio
lol tough crowd :D
I think I’ll move on to the next tough crowd, since I’m having the overwhelming urge to make things worse.
you couldn’t
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reine.de.tout Tue, Jul 27, 2010 6:25:15pm |
re: #539 Rightwingconspirator
Fantastic!!! So glad he got work. Nigeria would just not be a good Cajuns style.
er, no.
He’s been employed all this time; he’s still getting paid. The question was where was the next assignment going to be?
His partner from the previous job just got sent to Pennsylvania; a couple of others are in Canada. So, this is good!
| 546 |
reine.de.tout Tue, Jul 27, 2010 6:26:39pm |
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Political Atheist Tue, Jul 27, 2010 6:29:18pm |
re: #521 reine.de.tout
Tell him that the worst thing you can do to a curly bulb is turn it off. And on. and off. It kills ‘em.
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reine.de.tout Tue, Jul 27, 2010 6:31:05pm |
re: #547 Rightwingconspirator
Tell him that the worst thing you can do to a curly bulb is turn it off. And on. and off. It kills ‘em.
*snort*
He doesn’t listen to me!
He’s just worried we might spend 10 cents on electricity, instead of 8 cents.
LOL. Gotta save those 2 pennies.
| 550 |
reine.de.tout Tue, Jul 27, 2010 6:32:09pm |
re: #548 Rightwingconspirator
Whoops.
My “er, no” was agreement with your comment about Nigeria.
The rest was just ‘splainin the situation.
| 551 |
b_sharp Tue, Jul 27, 2010 6:35:09pm |
re: #527 Aceofwhat?
I forgot to mention that i am 6’6” and 285lbs of gorgeous muscle…
That’s a pretty big head to carry around.
| 552 |
b_sharp Tue, Jul 27, 2010 6:36:15pm |
re: #526 windsagio
My secretary’s name is Eliza, and she’s not a furry.
Nor is she gay.
Is she a software Psychologist?
| 553 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Jul 27, 2010 6:36:15pm |
re: #525 TheMatrix31
I was responding to your secretary’s claims that I haven’t accomplished anything in my life, certainly not anywhere near Alan “dot com” Colmes.
I am updinging the secretary line, that was pretty funny
| 554 |
Aceofwhat? Tue, Jul 27, 2010 6:37:43pm |
re: #551 b_sharp
That’s a pretty big head to carry around.
nah, cover’s blown. i forgot i spilled the 160lb beans/
| 555 |
b_sharp Tue, Jul 27, 2010 6:41:39pm |
re: #542 albusteve
I’m very close to the old lady…my dad died in 2004 and I was devastated…still have residual affects…I get up there 2-3 times a year
I live in the same city as my dad and I talk to him maybe once a month. We had some severe interpersonal problems while I was growing up and I just can’t quite get over them.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jul 27, 2010 6:42:08pm |
re: #478 Racer X
So, France has officially declared war against al-Qaida.
Has the U.S. done that? If not, should we?
I think it gives them too much importance. They’re a terror network, not a nation-state. And questions of conventions, rules of warfare, all that jazz, get that much dicier if we make a formal declaration of war.
Who could surrender on al-Qaeda’s behalf?
That’s my first reaction.
| 557 |
b_sharp Tue, Jul 27, 2010 6:43:01pm |
re: #549 reine.de.tout
*snort*
He doesn’t listen to me!
He’s just worried we might spend 10 cents on electricity, instead of 8 cents.
LOL. Gotta save those 2 pennies.
Glue two pennies to the floor.
| 558 |
SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jul 27, 2010 6:43:05pm |
re: #482 albusteve
and piss of the leftbots?
I don’t think so…negotiate
Yes, because the leftbots stopped us from going into either Afghanistan OR Iraq. If they get pissed off, nothing else can happen.
| 559 |
SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jul 27, 2010 6:44:22pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jul 27, 2010 6:44:53pm |
re: #501 prairiefire
My cousin just posted on FB she likes “The Secret’s”’ status. Why does “the secret” remind me of EST?
Same basic principle.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jul 27, 2010 6:52:10pm |
re: #502 TheMatrix31
And I’m sure Mahmood Ahmedinejad has also accomplished more than I have in my life, doesn’t mean he’s not a fucking loser as well.
But he’s found love.
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Jimmah Tue, Jul 27, 2010 7:01:14pm |
re: #509 TheMatrix31
I actually came up with the naming rights to a successful local business, graduated from a world-renowned university, and am on my way to trying to make a shit-ton of money after graduate school so I can give half of it to the government.
Hooray for me!
That must be the secret of your happiness and easy going attitude, huh Matrix? :D
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Cato the Elder Tue, Jul 27, 2010 8:07:40pm |
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5string Thu, Jul 29, 2010 3:28:32pm |
re: #11 Cato the Elder
I can’t tell you all how much I’m enjoying the David Niven version of the movie “Around the World in Eighty Days”.
So many amazing location shots: England, France, India, Spain, Thailand and Japan, and, of course, America.
And it makes me miss the British Empire. In a good way.
It was 1958. I think I saw it at the “Cinerama” theater in downtown Dallas. It was a magnificent movie with a great musical score. Now I’ll have to go check Netflix. Thanks
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