Christian Fanatic Group Plans ‘International Burn A Quran Day’

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For the ninth anniversary of the 9/11 attacks, the Dove World Outreach Center in Florida is planning a special celebration: a good old-fashioned book burning.

(RNS) A Florida church with “Islam is of the devil” signs in its front lawn plans to host an “International Burn A Quran Day,” on the ninth anniversary of the Sept. 11 attacks this year.

Jones, who is also the author of a book titled “Islam is of the Devil,” said protests are key to the mission of his church.

“We feel, as Christians, one of our jobs is to warn,” said Jones.

“The goal of these and other protests are to give Muslims an opportunity to convert,” he said.

Lovely people, aren’t they? But they’re not completely obsessed with hating Muslims; they also hate gays, of course.

The Dove World Outreach Center, a non-denominational church in Gainesville, has marked the date in previous years with protests against Islam. The church holds protests on other issues, such as homosexuality, same-sex marriage, and abortion.

Pastor Terry Jones said members of the church plan to be at the Gainesville City Hall on Aug. 2 to protest the election of the city’s openly gay mayor. Church-state groups had previously accused the church of illegal politicking for its “No Homo Mayor” signs.

These are also the kind of people who show up at rallies held by “anti-jihad” bloggers Robert Spencer and Pamela Geller: Robert Spencer and Pamela Geller’s Rally: ‘Islam Is of the Devil’.

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965 comments
1 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 2:11:42pm

Bringin' in the sleeze
Bringin' in the sleeze
We will go rejoicin'
Bringin' in the sleeze.

2 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 2:12:47pm

I'm so depressed.

3 Kronocide  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 2:12:59pm

"Dove World Outreach" center. They don't get the irony?

4 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 2:13:07pm

Great bulletin board locker-room fodder for the opposing team.

5 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 2:16:08pm

re: #3 BigPapa

"Dove World Outreach" center. They don't get the irony?

Youtube Video
6 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 2:17:08pm

This is unlikely to escape the attention of AQ/Taliban propagandists and recruiters on the other side of the world.

7 Kragar  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 2:17:46pm

Doves are viciuous creatures.

8 albusteve  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 2:18:02pm

re: #6 Shiplord Kirel

This is unlikely to escape the attention of AQ/Taliban propagandists and recruiters on the other side of the world.

or those here in the US

9 nines09  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 2:19:07pm

We are all Gods' Children. Except for you and you and you in the back. I guess it beats convert or die, for now.

10 Donna Ballard  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 2:19:26pm

Burning any religious manuscript should be made illegal! Thats just soooo wrong! I hope the fire flares up and gives them something to think about by scorching them but good! Shame on them! Shame, shame. shame!

11 engineer cat  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 2:19:30pm

burning a quran a day keeps the imaginary bogeymen away

12 Mocking Jay  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 2:19:57pm

“Dort, wo man Bücher verbrennt, verbrennt man am Ende auch Menschen"

13 Obdicut  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 2:20:17pm

And Bulgakov says, wisely:

Books don't burn.


It's just the paper that does. The book remains. You can't destroy ideas physically.

14 Mocking Jay  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 2:21:11pm

re: #10 Dragon_Lady

Burning any religious manuscript should be made illegal!

This I have to disagree with.

15 Kronocide  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 2:21:13pm

Any word on the Wikileaks thingy yet? I was gonna dive into it later and see if there's any there there.

Or I could go lazy and just be the opposite of the Usual Suspects. That's better than 88.45% to come in on the right side of things that way.

16 Obdicut  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 2:21:42pm

I can't recall US Muslims ever having a bible-burning.

17 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 2:22:40pm

re: #14 JasonA

This I have to disagree with.

Freedom of expression? It's an act of bigotry still.

18 Mocking Jay  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 2:23:19pm

re: #12 JasonA

Since there's no Cato around...

Especially notable among those works burned were the writings of beloved nineteenth-century German Jewish poet Heinrich Heine, who wrote in his 1820-1821 play Almansor the famous admonition, “Dort, wo man Bücher verbrennt, verbrennt man am Ende auch Menschen": "Where they burn books, they will also burn people."
19 Donna Ballard  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 2:23:23pm

re: #14 JasonA

This I have to disagree with.

I have respect for all religious manuscripts, its what the people interpret whats written I have a problem with!

20 Donna Ballard  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 2:24:07pm

re: #16 Obdicut

I can't recall US Muslims ever having a bible-burning.

And God I hope they never do! On that day I will cry!

21 Mocking Jay  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 2:24:43pm

re: #17 Rightwingconspirator

Freedom of expression? It's an act of bigotry still.

Unless they're breaking some local ordinance then I don't think making it illegal is a good thing. I think I make it clear that I don't like it one bit.

22 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 2:25:41pm

re: #10 Dragon_Lady

Burning any religious manuscript should be made illegal!

That pesky Constitution is going to be a problem.

23 Obdicut  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 2:26:29pm

re: #22 Killgore Trout

Especially since some religious manuscripts are supposed to be burned.

Pagan ceremonies come to mind.

24 engineer cat  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 2:26:31pm

when are they going to wake up to the menace posed by worshippers of the flying spaghetti monster???

25 Kragar  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 2:26:33pm

Can we all agree that most Christian rock albums deserve to be torched? Can we reach no common ground?

///

26 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 2:27:14pm

Remember people it's okay to burn the Koran because it's the holy book of Islam but if you even make so much a criticism of Christian theology, you're a terrible person and a godless leftist heathen.

27 Donna Ballard  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 2:27:56pm

re: #22 Killgore Trout

Burning any religious manuscript should be made illegal!

That pesky Constitution is going to be a problem.

Yeah, I know. But I can have my share of wishful thinking can't I? *smiles wistfully*

28 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 2:27:57pm

re: #21 JasonA

It would be slightly illegal apart from a campfire or fireplace. Might catch the whole damn building on fire of choke the occupants with smoke. *wink*

29 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 2:28:23pm

re: #22 Killgore Trout

Akin to hate speech? That's not protected. A bit of a stretch I admit.

30 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 2:28:29pm

Freedom of Speech

Youtube Video

They might be hateful douchebags but they are certainly within their rights. The qurans they are burning are their own property and they are doing it at their church. Fine by me.

31 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 2:28:57pm

re: #23 Obdicut

Well the intent would matter.

32 Mocking Jay  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 2:29:09pm

re: #30 Killgore Trout

Freedom of Speech

[Video]

They might be hateful douchebags but they are certainly within their rights. The qurans they are burning are their own property and they are doing it at their church. Fine by me.

I am still free to refer them as hate-peddling douchebags, though.

33 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 2:29:59pm

They're of course as said within their rights to do it but I expect these same people would go apeshit if there were Bible burnings. Not surprised at all to see that these people are also rabidly anti gay as well.

34 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 2:30:04pm

re: #29 Rightwingconspirator

Akin to hate speech? That's not protected.

Here in America hate speech is perfectly legal. In Europe, not so much. We have the first amendment which protects even hateful speech. As it should be.

35 Kragar  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 2:30:12pm

re: #26 HappyWarrior

Remember people it's okay to burn the Koran because it's the holy book of Islam but if you even make so much a criticism of Christian theology, you're a terrible person and a godless leftist heathen.

Look, I'd had a lovely supper, and all I said to my wife was 'That piece of halibut was good enough for Jehovah.'

36 Mocking Jay  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 2:31:16pm

re: #34 Killgore Trout

Here in America hate speech is perfectly legal. In Europe, not so much. We have the first amendment which protects even hateful speech. As it should be.

Asshole.

///

Hope you're feeling better, by the way.

37 Donna Ballard  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 2:31:36pm

Time to serve! the furry masters. BBS

38 darthstar  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 2:31:38pm

Praise Jesus and pass the lighter fluid. Are they going to nail the Qur'an to a cross before they light it on fire? Fucking retards.

39 Kronocide  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 2:32:09pm

re: #30 Killgore Trout

They might be hateful douchebags but they are certainly within their rights. The qurans they are burning are their own property and they are doing it at their church. Fine by me.

Yes, as ugly as it is, this is legal. And it has to be. Otherwise somebody needs to judge what can and should be said. Many complained about real and perceived PC 'speech codes' and such for the last few years: would you prefer Bachman or one of the Deux Pauls chose what could be said or what not?

Let it be. We have the right to sit here and ridicule the book burners all we want too.

40 Kragar  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 2:33:08pm

Would it be wrong to get a couple hundred dust jackets with the word "Koran" printed on them, slip them around bibles and show up?

41 Cato the Elder  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 2:33:49pm

I seem to remember a video from some while back where an Islamic Rage Boy was trying to set an American or Israeli flag ablaze and ended up lighting himself up in the process.

I wanna see the Christian remake of that.

42 Eclectic Infidel  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 2:33:55pm

Whacky religion.

43 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 2:34:11pm

re: #36 JasonA

Asshole.

///

Hope you're feeling better, by the way.

Better but still not great. I'll hopefully be back in business in a few days.

44 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 2:34:12pm

I've met these people before.

They were scum then and they're scum now.

45 Mocking Jay  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 2:34:12pm

re: #40 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Would it be wrong to get a couple hundred dust jackets with the word "Koran" printed on them, slip them around bibles and show up?

Try it. I suspect books won't be the only things going in the fire if you get caught, though...

46 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 2:34:19pm

Honestly I look at it like this- The act of hatred is the problem. Those ugly T shirts are at least as offensive. Books are just ink and paper. Made by men at a factory.

I recall this hilarious scene from the AGW disaster movie, The Day After. Went something like this-They refugees are freezing in the library. They must burn books to survive. Some academics object-"no, no you can't, that Shakespeare and...". This homeless guy stands up and says, hey the next room is all tax law books. plenty of paper there!

47 SpaceJesus  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 2:34:22pm

"No Homo Mayor"

48 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 2:34:43pm

re: #3 BigPapa

"Dove World Outreach" center. They don't get the irony?

No. They don't.

49 Kragar  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 2:36:03pm

re: #45 JasonA

Try it. I suspect books won't be the only things going in the fire if you get caught, though...

I would distribute and leave with due alacrity.

50 Mocking Jay  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 2:36:17pm

Aren't Qurans written in English thought of as lesser to them, anyway?

51 darthstar  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 2:36:21pm

re: #39 BigPapa

Yes, as ugly as it is, this is legal. And it has to be. Otherwise somebody needs to judge what can and should be said. Many complained about real and perceived PC 'speech codes' and such for the last few years: would you prefer Bachman or one of the Deux Pauls chose what could be said or what not?

Let it be. We have the right to sit here and ridicule the book burners all we want too.

Yep...it's ugly alright, and legal. So is naming and shaming everyone who agrees with that church. It's time to play, "Ask the Candidate!"

Candidate Rubio, do you agree with burning religious texts such as the Qur'an? What about the Bible? Torah?
Candidate Crist, do you?

52 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 2:36:36pm

re: #34 Killgore Trout

Umm have you seen this!!?

[Link: www.cultureandfamily.org...]

EXCERPT
California Hate Speech Law Raises Questions 10/1/2004
By Lee Duigon
The next time Arnold calls his political opponents "girlie men," he'd better watch out.
Commentary
When Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger on September 22 signed California's sweeping new hate speech law, he may have signed on for more than he bargained for.
The law, SB1234, classifies as "hate speech" any public expression that makes certain favored citizens feel "unwelcome" or "intimidated." Anyone found guilty of using such expressions could face six months in prison and a $25,000 fine.

53 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 2:36:56pm

re: #44 SanFranciscoZionist

I've met these people before.

They were scum then and they're scum now.

Yep, I was thinking of very much the same thing. Or when the Nazis burned works by Jewish authors. The irony of course is that many these fanatics see themselves as friends of Israel and Jews. I am not Jewish but I am sure the feeling isn't mutual since Jewish people aren't stupid and ignorant of the reason why hardcore Christian fundamentalists have embraced them.

54 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 2:37:07pm

re: #38 darthstar

Zing! Nice.

55 Donna Ballard  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 2:37:28pm

re: #43 Killgore Trout

Better but still not great. I'll hopefully be back in business in a few days.

You've been ill? I'm sorry to hear that! I hope you get better soon my friend!

56 SpaceJesus  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 2:37:30pm

may allah the mighty have mercy upon these wretched infidels

57 Kragar  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 2:37:34pm

re: #41 Cato the Elder

I seem to remember a video from some while back where an Islamic Rage Boy was trying to set an American or Israeli flag ablaze and ended up lighting himself up in the process.

I wanna see the Christian remake of that.

"God, grant us a sign..."

"BUBBA DONE CAUGHT FIRE!"

"...any sign, Lord"

58 brookly red  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 2:37:43pm

re: #40 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Would it be wrong to get a couple hundred dust jackets with the word "Koran" printed on them, slip them around bibles and show up?

/now that would constitute playing with fire...

59 Kragar  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 2:38:40pm

re: #58 brookly red

/now that would constitute playing with fire...

I'll get latin copies, they wont have a clue.

60 simoom  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 2:38:56pm

Here's the Tea Party Patriots event page for that Temecula, California anti-muslim, anti-mosque rally being held on the 30th. The one Charles pointed out yesterday.

It reads:
[Link: www.teapartypatriots.org...]

July 30, 2010
Silent Majority Silent No More! We will not be Submissive! An Islamic Mosque is planned to be built in Temecula. We are holding a Singing – Praying – Patriotic rally on Friday on the side of road on Rio Nedo in Temecula. Bring your Bibles, flags, signs, dogs and singing voice on Friday to let everyone know we are a Christain community and will not tolerate Sharia law and radical behavior.

Find more information on our website.
[Link: www.wethepeople-swrc.com...]

61 SpaceJesus  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 2:39:10pm

besides being the worst part of the world (the south) where is gainesville?

i think i want to make it my life's goal to be a gay muslim abortion doctor there

62 Donna Ballard  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 2:39:18pm

re: #46 Rightwingconspirator

Honestly I look at it like this- The act of hatred is the problem. Those ugly T shirts are at least as offensive. Books are just ink and paper. Made by men at a factory.

I recall this hilarious scene from the AGW disaster movie, The Day After. Went something like this-They refugees are freezing in the library. They must burn books to survive. Some academics object-"no, no you can't, that Shakespeare and...". This homeless guy stands up and says, hey the next room is all tax law books. plenty of paper there!

God I loved that scene! Probably one of the best in the movie!

63 Eclectic Infidel  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 2:39:32pm

re: #10 Dragon_Lady

Burning any religious manuscript should be made illegal!

I find myself in disagreement with this statement. On what grounds would you try to argue that torching religious material is not a right? How would you reconcile it with the First Amendment concerning freedom of expression?

64 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 2:39:33pm

Somebody should send them fireproof Qurans. Now that would be a worthwhile miracle to see the reaction!!

65 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 2:40:46pm

re: #25 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Can we all agree that most Christian rock albums deserve to be torched? Can we reach no common ground?

///

You don't LIKE Jars of Clay?

66 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 2:40:48pm

re: #63 eclectic infidel

re: #27 Dragon_Lady

Yeah, I know. But I can have my share of wishful thinking can't I? *smiles wistfully*

67 Kronocide  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 2:41:17pm

re: #51 darthstar

Candidate Rubio, do you agree with burning religious texts such as the Qur'an? What about the Bible? Torah?
Candidate Crist, do you?

The post in the last thread about a circulating Democratic Party memo assessing the races in November nailed it. I'm waiting for more Youtubery over the next few months that will capture the carnage for all to see.

The GOP shot itself in the foot with it's pedantic populist rage fomented by racist kooks and fringe groups. It will take years to recover, if ever at all. I'm holding some of my RW friends to task lately and they get meek when I bring up the RW fuktardery.

68 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 2:41:31pm

re: #5 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

[Video]

Anyone burning Slim Whitman albums yet? Other than Martians, I mean.

69 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 2:41:52pm

re: #25 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Can we all agree that most Christian rock albums deserve to be torched? Can we reach no common ground?

///

Don't you even think about touching my U2, Call or Iona CD's. I'll defend them, I swear!!!!!

/// Actually very good music but that's why they stand out

70 Donna Ballard  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 2:42:06pm

re: #63 eclectic infidel

I find myself in disagreement with this statement. On what grounds would you try to argue that torching religious material is not a right? How would you reconcile it with the First Amendment concerning freedom of expression?

See my #19 for an elaboration

71 Kragar  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 2:42:18pm

re: #46 Rightwingconspirator

Honestly I look at it like this- The act of hatred is the problem. Those ugly T shirts are at least as offensive. Books are just ink and paper. Made by men at a factory.

I recall this hilarious scene from the AGW disaster movie, The Day After. Went something like this-They refugees are freezing in the library. They must burn books to survive. Some academics object-"no, no you can't, that Shakespeare and...". This homeless guy stands up and says, hey the next room is all tax law books. plenty of paper there!

And then we have Night Court;

Harry Stone: [defendants are on trial for book burning] I feel it's my responsibility to set an example by fining radical extremists like this with every ounce of power that this state has seen fit to grant me!
Court Clerk MacIntosh 'Mac' Robinson: [reads the title of a salvaged book] "The Genius of Barry Manilow."
Harry Stone: [bangs gavel] One dollar!

72 brookly red  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 2:42:37pm

re: #64 Rightwingconspirator

Somebody should send them fireproof Qurans. Now that would be a worthwhile miracle to see the reaction!!

that sounds like something from a Roadrunner cartoon. I can just see this big crate arriving labeled Acme Fireproof Quran Company...

73 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 2:43:04pm

Indian Love Call from Mars Attacks!

Youtube Video
74 Donna Ballard  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 2:44:04pm

re: #72 brookly red

that sounds like something from a Roadrunner cartoon. I can just see this big crate arriving labeled Acme Fireproof Quran Company...

Beep Beep! Those were the best cartoons...

75 Eclectic Infidel  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 2:44:36pm

re: #7 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Doves are viciuous creatures.

Like a certain killer rabbit...

Youtube Video
76 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 2:45:16pm

re: #40 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Would it be wrong to get a couple hundred dust jackets with the word "Koran" printed on them, slip them around bibles and show up?

Yes. But maybe a bunch of romance novels by people named Karen? Act all surprised when they object?

77 Kragar  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 2:46:01pm

DAMN YOU GAMESWORKSHOP, WHY DO YOU VEX ME SO?

78 Obdicut  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 2:46:14pm

re: #71 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I have not seen a Night Court reference in too long.

79 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 2:46:23pm

re: #41 Cato the Elder

I seem to remember a video from some while back where an Islamic Rage Boy was trying to set an American or Israeli flag ablaze and ended up lighting himself up in the process.

I wanna see the Christian remake of that.

My father was once at a demonstration where a young Afghani-American set his shoes on fire along with the Soviet flag. They put him out.

If you're gonna burn a flag, get a natural fiber one.

80 Eclectic Infidel  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 2:47:00pm

re: #20 Dragon_Lady

And God I hope they never do! On that day I will cry!

On that day, things will get very, very ugly in America.

81 brookly red  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 2:47:06pm

re: #78 Obdicut

I have not seen a Night Court reference in too long.

most of us old enough to remember it can't remember it...

82 Kragar  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 2:47:27pm

re: #78 Obdicut

I have not seen a Night Court reference in too long.

My next door neighbor growing up was one of the producers.

83 brookly red  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 2:47:40pm

re: #79 SanFranciscoZionist

My father was once at a demonstration where a young Afghani-American set his shoes on fire along with the Soviet flag. They put him out.

If you're gonna burn a flag, get a natural fiber one.

oh here come the hemp-ies

84 ArchangelMichael  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 2:48:34pm

re: #77 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

DAMN YOU GAMESWORKSHOP, WHY DO YOU VEX ME SO?

But are you terribly vexed?

85 Donna Ballard  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 2:49:07pm

re: #80 eclectic infidel

On that day, things will get very, very ugly in America.

Yeah, now that I can believe and I will spend that day in prayer for the poor souls caught in the middle :(

86 Cato the Elder  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 2:49:54pm

Robert Spencer Is of the Stupid!

87 Mocking Jay  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 2:50:31pm

Quick question for lizardkind: does anyone else end up getting every Train song they hear stuck in their head? It's not even as if I like them that much, either...

88 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 2:51:06pm

re: #50 JasonA

Aren't Qurans written in English thought of as lesser to them, anyway?

There's a belief that the translation is not as 'real', since it's not the actual words given to Mohammed. How seriously this is taken depends a lot on where and when and how you were raised. (This detail once turned weird on me in a discussion about Keith Ellison's swearing in. The person I was talking to seemed to believe that using Jefferson's translation of the Koran was a dodge, since Ellison, according to the version of Islam practiced by this non-Muslim commenter, would not consider it a real holy text.)

89 albusteve  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 2:51:30pm

re: #83 brookly red

oh here come the hemp-ies

hempoline!

90 Kragar  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 2:51:31pm

re: #84 ArchangelMichael

But are you terribly vexed?

I would say sorely, just short of terribly.

91 brookly red  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 2:51:35pm

re: #87 JasonA

Quick question for lizardkind: does anyone else end up getting every Train song they hear stuck in their head? It's not even as if I like them that much, either...

no, the voices in my head never sing...

92 sattv4u2  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 2:51:37pm

re: #87 JasonA

Quick question for lizardkind: does anyone else end up getting every Train song they hear stuck in their head? It's not even as if I like them that much, either...

SOLUTION
Don't play em!

(that will be $50,,please see the cashier on the way out!)

93 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 2:51:55pm

re: #52 Rightwingconspirator

Umm have you seen this!!?

[Link: www.cultureandfamily.org...]

EXCERPT
California Hate Speech Law Raises Questions 10/1/2004
By Lee Duigon
The next time Arnold calls his political opponents "girlie men," he'd better watch out.
Commentary
When Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger on September 22 signed California's sweeping new hate speech law, he may have signed on for more than he bargained for.
The law, SB1234, classifies as "hate speech" any public expression that makes certain favored citizens feel "unwelcome" or "intimidated." Anyone found guilty of using such expressions could face six months in prison and a $25,000 fine.


Christianist groups often freak out about hate crimes laws because they think it's going to inhibit their ability to hate according to thier religious beliefs. I notice the first few pages of a google search were mostly christian groups.
The law is a little more nuanced than they lead you to believe....
SB 1234
It seems mostly aimed at intimidation issues involving other crimes or interfering with the constitutional rights of others.

94 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 2:52:05pm

re: #61 SpaceJesus

besides being the worst part of the world (the south) where is gainesville?

i think i want to make it my life's goal to be a gay muslim abortion doctor there

It's home of the University of Florida. Go Gators.

Youtube Video
95 Kragar  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 2:52:12pm

re: #87 JasonA

Quick question for lizardkind: does anyone else end up getting every Train song they hear stuck in their head? It's not even as if I like them that much, either...

Who?

96 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 2:52:23pm

re: #52 Rightwingconspirator

Umm have you seen this!!?

[Link: www.cultureandfamily.org...]

EXCERPT
California Hate Speech Law Raises Questions 10/1/2004
By Lee Duigon
The next time Arnold calls his political opponents "girlie men," he'd better watch out.
Commentary
When Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger on September 22 signed California's sweeping new hate speech law, he may have signed on for more than he bargained for.
The law, SB1234, classifies as "hate speech" any public expression that makes certain favored citizens feel "unwelcome" or "intimidated." Anyone found guilty of using such expressions could face six months in prison and a $25,000 fine.

Ummm...I'd like to see what the text of the bill actually says, since that website is clearly not...unbiased.

97 sattv4u2  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 2:52:36pm

re: #91 brookly red

no, the voices in my head never sing...

too bad

mine do, but they're in Portugese

Pretty, but I have NO clue what they're signing about!

98 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 2:53:04pm

Doves......Slim Whitman.....Martians

How could I have forgotten this?

Youtube Video
99 albusteve  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 2:53:08pm

re: #95 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Who?

Grace Potter would be a good one

100 Mocking Jay  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 2:53:14pm

re: #92 sattv4u2

SOLUTION
Don't play em!

(that will be $50,,please see the cashier on the way out!)

It's not exactly ruining my life, but thanks?

101 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 2:53:19pm

re: #56 SpaceJesus

may allah the mighty have mercy upon these wretched infidels

OK, but can the rest of us poke them a little? Please?

102 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 2:53:35pm

re: #87 JasonA

They're perky...

103 brookly red  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 2:53:43pm

re: #97 sattv4u2

too bad

mine do, but they're in Portugese

Pretty, but I have NO clue what they're signing about!

mine speak Latin... can't understand much

104 Sionainn  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 2:54:02pm

re: #60 simoom

"Bring your Bibles, flags, signs, dogs and singing voice on Friday to let everyone know we are a Christain community and will not tolerate Sharia law and radical behavior. "

What's a "Christain"?

105 Mocking Jay  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 2:54:56pm

re: #104 Sionainn

"Bring your Bibles, flags, signs, dogs and singing voice on Friday to let everyone know we are a Christain community and will not tolerate Sharia law and radical behavior. "

What's a "Christain"?

Funny. I think book-burning is kinda radical...

106 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 2:54:58pm

re: #104 Sionainn

"Bring your Bibles, flags, signs, dogs and singing voice on Friday to let everyone know we are a Christain community and will not tolerate Sharia law and radical behavior. "

What's a "Christain"?

A guy named Chris who stains everything in his path?

107 wrenchwench  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 2:54:59pm

re: #93 Killgore Trout

Christianist groups often freak out about hate crimes laws because they think it's going to inhibit their ability to hate according to thier religious beliefs.

That's my favorite sentence of the day.

Back to work.

108 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 2:55:55pm

re: #104 Sionainn

I got a Koolstain on me this afternoon. From Koolaid.

109 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 2:56:01pm

re: #93 Killgore Trout

It was billed to the public as a law to protect gays from extreme intimidation. I should have sent a different link, but really I just wanted to show the laws existence. Threats or personal violence are illegal speech in certain circumstances. There are more restrictions than "fire" in a theater and false advertising.

110 sattv4u2  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 2:56:17pm

re: #103 brookly red

mine speak Latin... can't understand much

Brookly, meet Cato. Cato, Brookly

($25 finders fee,, please see the cashier on the way out)

111 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 2:56:22pm

re: #104 Sionainn

"Bring your Bibles, flags, signs, dogs and singing voice on Friday to let everyone know we are a Christain community and will not tolerate Sharia law and radical behavior. "

What's a "Christain"?

That's what you see on the floor after a Sunday school potluck supper turns into a racist riot.

112 Girth  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 2:56:30pm

re: #104 Sionainn

"Bring your Bibles, flags, signs, dogs and singing voice on Friday to let everyone know we are a Christain community and will not tolerate Sharia law and radical behavior. "

What's a "Christain"?

I could tell you, but I'm afraid I'd go right to hell.

113 Sionainn  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 2:56:34pm

re: #87 JasonA

Quick question for lizardkind: does anyone else end up getting every Train song they hear stuck in their head? It's not even as if I like them that much, either...

What's a Train song?

114 sattv4u2  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 2:57:02pm

re: #104 Sionainn

"Bring your Bibles, flags, signs, dogs and singing voice on Friday to let everyone know we are a Christain community and will not tolerate Sharia law and radical behavior. "

What's a "Christain"?

Someone like me who has thumbitis when it comes to a keyboard!

115 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 2:57:43pm

re: #109 Rightwingconspirator

It was billed to the public as a law to protect gays from extreme intimidation. I should have sent a different link, but really I just wanted to show the laws existence. Threats or personal violence are illegal speech in certain circumstances. There are more restrictions than "fire" in a theater and false advertising.

Yeah, it seems to me it's more about intimidation and threats, not really a hate speech law.

116 Kragar  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 2:58:51pm

re: #113 Sionainn

What's a Train song?

Am I doing this right?

Youtube Video
117 Gus  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 2:58:55pm

Other great moment in American cultural tolerance and arson:

[Link: chainedandperfumed.files.wordpress.com...]

118 Mocking Jay  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 2:59:07pm

re: #113 Sionainn

What's a Train song?

Train? A band? Hey Soul Sister, Drops of Jupiter, etc?

119 Mocking Jay  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 2:59:30pm

re: #116 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Am I doing this right?


[Video]

No, but you get extra credit.

120 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 2:59:45pm

re: #96 SanFranciscoZionist

Here you go.
[Link: info.sen.ca.gov...]

Or another peek at it
[Link: www.religioustolerance.org...]
The main intents of bill SB 1234 are:
bullet To harmonize the wording of existing state hate-crimes laws,
bullet To define precisely terms relating to hate-crimes,
bullet To increase penalties to $5,000 in fines and/or six months in jail, and
bullet To enhance the training that police officers receive about hate crimes.
bullet To criminalize the incitement to violence against a protected group if it is sufficiently serious that it can reasonably be expected to result in harm to members of the targeted victims.

The bill was sponsored by Senator Sheila Kuehl (D) of West Los Angeles. It was passed by both houses of the legislature by healthy margins on 2004-AUG-24 and 25. The votes were 24 to 14 in the Senate, and 51 to 23 in the Assembly. A number of fundamentalist Christian groups and individuals tried to convince Governor Schwarzennegger (R) to veto the bill. However, he signed it into law on 2004-SEP-22. The law became effective on 2005-JAN-01.

horizontal rule
Groups formally supporting and opposing the bill:
The bill was officially supported by:

Equality California; Anti-Defamation League; California Church Impact; California Council for the Blind, San Bernardino; California Council for the Blind, Inland Empire; California NOW; Commission on the Status of Women; Community United Against Violence; Crime Victims United of California; Jewish Community Relations Council; Los Angeles Coalition to End Hunger and Homelessness; Metropolitan Community Church Los Angeles; Mexican American Legal Defense and Educational Fund; Muslim Public Affairs Council; National Center for Lesbian Rights; National Coalition for the Homeless; Our Family Coalition; Pride at Work, Southern California; San Francisco Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, and Transgender Community Center; SoCal Pride at Work; Transgender Law Caucus; and Western Center on Law and Poverty.

It was formally opposed by:

The Capitol Resource Institute, and Campaign for California Families. 6

121 Lidane  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 2:59:54pm

re: #3 BigPapa

"Dove World Outreach" center. They don't get the irony?

Irony is from the devil, don'tcha know.

122 Eclectic Infidel  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 3:00:02pm
“The goal of these and other protests are to give Muslims an opportunity to convert,” he said.

Yeahhhh. About as effective as that guy who shows up to SF rallies with a neon yellow sign that reads "Jesus Christ loves you."

I'm an atheist and an existentialist at that, but I'd take time out to protest this blatant hatred. AND YES, for those wondering, I am beginning to shift my position regarding the community center and mosque in New York. I'm still not comfortable with the imam and am skeptical regarding the funding of the project, but I am having a problem denying the center being built *just because* a mosque is included and it's near ground zero.

123 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 3:00:21pm

re: #113 Sionainn

Youtube Video

you are welcome....

124 Cato the Elder  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 3:00:32pm

re: #104 Sionainn

"Bring your Bibles, flags, signs, dogs and singing voice on Friday to let everyone know we are a Christain community and will not tolerate Sharia law and radical behavior. "

What's a "Christain"?

A shitstain on a pair of evangelical boxer briefs.

125 Kragar  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 3:00:53pm

re: #118 JasonA

Train? A band? Hey Soul Sister, Drops of Jupiter, etc?

Is this like having to sing all of Styx's "I'm sailing away" even if you only hear the opening?

126 Sionainn  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 3:01:03pm

re: #116 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Am I doing this right?


[Video]

I don't know if you are doing it right, but I LOVE that song.

127 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 3:01:29pm

re: #117 Gus 802

Other great moment in American cultural tolerance and arson:

[Link: chainedandperfumed.files.wordpress.com...]

That kid probably wishes he had that album back now, in mint condition.

128 sattv4u2  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 3:02:00pm

re: #116 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Am I doing this right?


[Video]

You'll have to ask your significant other, but thanks for asking!

AND ,, if your erection lasts for more than four hours ,,,,

129 Mocking Jay  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 3:02:00pm

re: #127 Shiplord Kirel

That kid probably wishes he had that album back now, in mint condition.

I was thinking the same damn thing.

130 Gus  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 3:02:13pm

Image: book_burning.jpg

131 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 3:02:18pm
“We feel, as Christians, one of our jobs is to warn,” said Jones.

“The goal of these and other protests are to give Muslims an opportunity to convert,” he said.

With no awareness of irony whatsoever.

132 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 3:02:23pm

re: #115 Killgore Trout

Yeah, it seems to me it's more about intimidation and threats, not really a hate speech law.

I equate those things, but that's just me. Partly as it is aimed to protect certain groups. Threatening to gay bash became a greater crime than threatening your cheating spouse. Or whatever. I support the idea, as a way to discourage gay bashing, even in the extreme verbal assault context.

133 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 3:02:30pm

Oof. Talk about taking the Lord's name in vain...epic Christian fail. i know of Dove. I'd be more welcome at the community center currently planned for downtown NYC.

134 Eclectic Infidel  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 3:02:36pm

re: #104 Sionainn

"Bring your Bibles, flags, signs, dogs and singing voice on Friday to let everyone know we are a Christain community and will not tolerate Sharia law and radical behavior. "

What's a "Christain"?

Torching a quran in public isn't radical behavior? I mean, isn't religion supposedly a big deal in these United States?

135 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 3:03:16pm

Back to work, so now I can only lurk.

136 Gus  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 3:03:27pm

Image: book-burning.jpg

137 sattv4u2  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 3:03:37pm

re: #117 Gus 802

re: #129 JasonA

Kid to our left of the guy with the microphone looks like a fun loving sort, no!?!?

138 Kragar  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 3:03:46pm

re: #131 negativ

With no awareness of irony whatsoever.

"I couldn't help to notice you're burning an key peice of my culture and heritage, can I join you guys?"

139 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 3:03:51pm

re: #97 sattv4u2

too bad

mine do, but they're in Portugese

Pretty, but I have NO clue what they're signing about!

Transcibe what they're saying phonetically. Nimed can help you out.

140 brookly red  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 3:04:26pm

re: #127 Shiplord Kirel

That kid probably wishes he had that album back now, in mint condition.

wait that other kid, on the left with his arms folded look familiar... I think he pulled me over outside Savanna.

141 sattv4u2  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 3:04:31pm

re: #139 SanFranciscoZionist

Transcibe what they're saying phonetically. Nimed can help you out.

That sounds like a task!
I'm on vacation

142 Sionainn  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 3:04:32pm

re: #118 JasonA

Train? A band? Hey Soul Sister, Drops of Jupiter, etc?

I need to get out more.

143 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 3:04:34pm

re: #104 Sionainn

"Bring your Bibles, flags, signs, dogs and singing voice on Friday to let everyone know we are a Christain community and will not tolerate Sharia law and radical behavior. "

What's a "Christain"?

People who think they're pious, but are actually a stain on the honor of the Christian community are called Christains.

144 Gus  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 3:04:38pm

re: #137 sattv4u2

re: #129 JasonA

Kid to our left of the guy with the microphone looks like a fun loving sort, no!?!?

Yeah. He looks like he took himself too seriously. Almost like a miniature adult.

145 Cato the Elder  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 3:04:57pm

You know, my first reaction, when somebody comes along and burns one of my favorite books, is always to ask what religion they belong to. So I can convert.

146 simoom  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 3:05:06pm

Speaking of Pamela Geller, it looks like she's been on FNC a couple of times in the past 24hrs (not that any of the other cable news channels have the sense and decency to keep her off the air):
[Link: mediamatters.org...]

Media Matters Video
GELLER: No, that was a photo op, the November elections, everything all the evidence points to Obama's anti-Semitic associates. It's not just...

SEAN HANNITY: Do you think the president is anti-Semitic?

GELLER: I do.

DOUG SCHOEN: I don't think he's anti-Semitic.

HANNITY: That's a -- that's a hard charge.

GELLER: It is a hard charge, but I say by their fruits we shall know him.

147 sattv4u2  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 3:05:25pm

re: #144 Gus 802

Yeah. He looks like he took himself too seriously. Almost like a miniature adult.

Either that, or practicing for the day he's a full fledged skin head

148 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 3:05:55pm

re: #120 Rightwingconspirator

Thanks, will review.

149 Sionainn  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 3:06:03pm

re: #123 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

[Video]you are welcome...

Thanks! I have actually heard that song...somewhere.

150 Kragar  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 3:06:12pm

re: #144 Gus 802

Yeah. He looks like he took himself too seriously. Almost like a miniature adult.

Probably grew up to be a claims adjuster, stuck up wife, only gets to perform "the marriage act" 2-3 times a year.

151 sattv4u2  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 3:06:13pm

re: #142 Sionainn

I need to get out more.

get out of what
your room
your house
your pants!?!?!

152 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 3:06:29pm

re: #122 eclectic infidel

Yeahhh. About as effective as that guy who shows up to SF rallies with a neon yellow sign that reads "Jesus Christ loves you."

I'm an atheist and an existentialist at that, but I'd take time out to protest this blatant hatred. AND YES, for those wondering, I am beginning to shift my position regarding the community center and mosque in New York. I'm still not comfortable with the imam and am skeptical regarding the funding of the project, but I am having a problem denying the center being built *just because* a mosque is included and it's near ground zero.

I like the yellow sign guy. He's always very pleasant.

153 brookly red  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 3:07:23pm

re: #151 sattv4u2

get out of what
your room
your house
your pants!?!?!

all of the above?

154 Donna Ballard  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 3:07:26pm

re: #151 sattv4u2

get out of what
your room
your house
your pants!?!?!

Ooooh, you are on vacation aren't you? LOL!

155 Obdicut  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 3:07:33pm

re: #152 SanFranciscoZionist

I like the yellow sign guy. He's always very pleasant.

I accidentally made a disparaging remark about him at a meeting he was present at.

Felt like a shithead.

156 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 3:07:36pm

re: #134 eclectic infidel

Torching a quran in public isn't radical behavior? I mean, isn't religion supposedly a big deal in these United States?

Increasingly, people who seem to think they're conservatives are acting like foaming at the mouth radicals.

157 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 3:08:04pm

re: #141 sattv4u2

That sounds like a task!
I'm on vacation

Can you tape them? Or just enjoy.

158 sattv4u2  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 3:08:32pm

re: #154 Dragon_Lady

Ooooh, you are on vacation aren't you? LOL!

Yuppers

Golf,, pool ,, beach and not a single pair of pants in my closet
(just shorts and bathing suits!!)

159 zora  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 3:08:36pm

re: #87 JasonA

Quick question for lizardkind: does anyone else end up getting every Train song they hear stuck in their head? It's not even as if I like them that much, either...

yes, but i like train.

160 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 3:09:06pm

re: #146 simoom

Speaking of Pamela Geller, it looks like she's been on FNC a couple of times in the past 24hrs (not that any of the other cable news channels have the sense and decency to keep her off the air):
[Link: mediamatters.org...]
[Link: mediamatters.org...]

By whose fruits are we supposed to know that the president is an anti-Semite?

("I'm a plant."

"I thought your kind was called a fruit.")

161 sattv4u2  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 3:09:22pm

re: #157 SanFranciscoZionist

Can you tape them? Or just enjoy.

I just enjoy

For all I know, they're swearing at/about me

If so, I'd rather not know!
If not, it IS very pretty!

162 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 3:09:43pm

re: #136 Gus 802

Youtube Video
163 ArchangelMichael  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 3:10:01pm

re: #160 SanFranciscoZionist

By whose fruits are we supposed to know that the president is an anti-Semite?

("I'm a plant."

"I thought your kind was called a fruit.")

Upding for Clue reference.

164 Jetpilot1101  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 3:10:04pm

I'd like to go on the record and say that these folks who propose this "party" in no way shape or form exemplify the Christian faith that I hold dear. They may call themselves Christians but according to my Bible, they sure don't act like Christians. This stuff really makes me sad.

165 Sionainn  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 3:10:14pm

re: #134 eclectic infidel

Torching a quran in public isn't radical behavior? I mean, isn't religion supposedly a big deal in these United States?

Islam isn't a religion, it's a cult. Didn't you know that?
//

166 freetoken  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 3:11:20pm

Just to change the topic to one less controversial (hah!), I put up a Pages entry to today's release of the Annual Climate Summary. It is getting wide play on the news sites.


For example, take this CBS website headline:


World Scientists: Stop Denying Global Warming!

Which has the summary:

Annual Report from Says Last Decade Was Hottest on Record, Calls Warming "Undeniable," but Doesn’t Name Cause


The bolded section is particular stupid for them to write. The report has an entire section on Atmospheric Composition, which discusses the Earth's energy balance, and the describes measurements of CO2, Methane, CO etc. in detail. The news writers apparently didn't realize why the scientists would include such detailed information.

167 Gus  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 3:11:23pm

re: #146 simoom

Speaking of Pamela Geller, it looks like she's been on FNC a couple of times in the past 24hrs (not that any of the other cable news channels have the sense and decency to keep her off the air):
[Link: mediamatters.org...]
[Link: mediamatters.org...]

Yeah. And David Axelrod and Rahm Emanuel are both Methodists.

//

168 albusteve  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 3:11:24pm

re: #156 SanFranciscoZionist

Increasingly, people who seem to think they're conservatives are acting like foaming at the mouth radicals.

this stuff has nothing to do with politics...they could call themselves whatever they want....they are trying to make pizza pie out of horse shit

169 Sionainn  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 3:12:54pm

re: #151 sattv4u2

get out of what
your room
your house
your pants!?!?!

Out from under the rock I've apparently been living under.

170 Kragar  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 3:15:27pm

Mighty oil-eating microbes help clean up the Gulf

the most important cause of the oil’s disappearance, some researchers suspect, is that the oil has been devoured by microbes. The lesson from past spills is that the lion’s share of the cleanup work is done by nature in the form of oil-eating bacteria and fungi. The microbes break down the hydrocarbons in oil to use as fuel to grow and reproduce. A bit of oil in the water is like a feeding frenzy, causing microbial populations to grow exponentially.

Typically, there are enough microbes in the ocean to consume half of any oil spilled in a month or two, says Howarth. Such microbes have been found in every ocean of the world sampled, from the Arctic to Antarctica. But there are reasons to think that the process may occur more quickly in the Gulf than in other oceans.

Microbes grow faster in the warmer water of the Gulf than they do in, say, the cool waters off Alaska, where the Exxon Valdez spill occurred. Moreover, the Gulf is hardly pristine. Even before humans started drilling for oil in the Gulf — and spilling lots of it — oil naturally seeped into the water. As a result, the Gulf evolved a rich collection of petroleum-loving microbes, ready to pounce on any new spill. The microbes are clever and tough, observes Samantha Joye, microbial geochemist at the University of Georgia. Joye has shown that oxygen levels in parts of the Gulf contaminated with oil have dropped. Since microbes need oxygen to eat the petroleum, that’s evidence that the microbes are hard at work.

The controversial dispersant used to break up the oil as it gushed from the deep-sea well may have helped the microbes do their work. Microbes can more easily consume small drops of oil than big ones. And there is evidence the microbes like to munch on the dispersant as well.

171 Gus  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 3:15:40pm

For today we have:

Banning books.
Burning books.
Banning places of worship.

Hmmm. Something about that sounds familiar.

172 sattv4u2  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 3:15:55pm

re: #169 Sionainn

Out from under the rock I've apparently been living under.

hey,, before you come out, can you get me some worms? I want to go fishing tomorrow!

173 Kragar  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 3:16:30pm

re: #171 Gus 802

For today we have:

Banning books.
Burning books.
Banning places of worship.

Hmmm. Something about that sounds familiar.

Todays LGF has been brought to you by the letter B

174 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 3:16:41pm

Banning books... burning books....

What kind of people do that?

This kind.

Youtube Video
175 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 3:17:00pm

re: #171 Gus 802

For today we have:

Banning books.
Burning books.
Banning places of worship.

Hmmm. Something about that sounds familiar.

See my 174.

176 Gus  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 3:17:05pm

re: #173 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Todays LGF has been brought to you by the letter B

And it ain't the Better Business Bureau.

/

177 Amory Blaine  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 3:17:15pm

Book burnings give me that warm fuzzy feeling. Precious moments.

/sarc

178 brookly red  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 3:17:36pm

re: #172 sattv4u2

hey,, before you come out, can you get me some worms? I want to go fishing tomorrow!

Ahem:
A Jack Daniels Fishing Story
I went fishing this morning but after a short time I ran out of worms. Then I saw a cottonmouth with a frog in his mouth. Frogs are good bass bait.

Knowing the snake couldn't bite me with the frog in his mouth I grabbed him right behind the head, took the frog, and put it in my bait bucket.

Now the dilemma was how to release the snake without getting bit. So, I grabbed my bottle of Jack Daniels and poured a little whiskey in its mouth. His eyes rolled back, he went limp. I released him into the lake without incident and carried on fishing using the frog.

A little later, I felt a nudge on my foot. There was that same snake with two frogs in his mouth.

179 researchok  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 3:17:44pm

I suspect the Phelps and the Westboro Baptist Church will not participate in the Quran burning festivities.

Mourning and grieving military families and Jews attending religious services are a lot less likely to get violent.

180 sattv4u2  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 3:18:01pm

re: #170 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

the most important cause of the oil’s disappearance, some researchers suspect, is that the oil has been devoured by microbes. The lesson from past spills is that the lion’s share of the cleanup work is done by nature in the form of oil-eating bacteria and fungi.

This was discussed earlier today. If there was one scintilla of "good news' in all this is that the oil that was gushing out was (for the most part) light crude.

181 Obdicut  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 3:18:06pm

re: #174 LudwigVanQuixote

And these people:

Image: NKBurning.jpg

182 garhighway  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 3:18:47pm

re: #171 Gus 802

For today we have:

Banning books.
Burning books.
Banning places of worship.

Hmmm. Something about that sounds familiar.

Wouldn't it be nice if one mainstream national Republican officeholder, one presidential aspirant, came out and said that this shit was un-American and shameful? Just one.

Am I asking for too much here? Or did that happen and I missed it?

183 garhighway  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 3:19:35pm

re: #180 sattv4u2

the most important cause of the oil’s disappearance, some researchers suspect, is that the oil has been devoured by microbes. The lesson from past spills is that the lion’s share of the cleanup work is done by nature in the form of oil-eating bacteria and fungi.

This was discussed earlier today. If there was one scintilla of "good news' in all this is that the oil that was gushing out was (for the most part) light crude.

That sounds like the beginning of a bad sci-fi movie. The microbes are our friends. Until they're not.

184 darthstar  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 3:20:13pm

re: #57 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

"God, grant us a sign..."

"BUBBA DONE CAUGHT FIRE!"

"...any sign, Lord"

Like this one...

185 Judith  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 3:20:21pm

I'll bet they'll have a "burn a Torah" day next week.

186 Kragar  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 3:20:55pm

re: #183 garhighway

That sounds like the beginning of a bad sci-fi movie. The microbes are our friends. Until they're not.

How many microbes will die of starvation due to human's capping their abundant food supply?
/

187 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 3:21:21pm

re: #166 freetoken

Just to change the topic to one less controversial (hah!), I put up a Pages entry to today's release of the Annual Climate Summary. It is getting wide play on the news sites.

For example, take this CBS website headline:

World Scientists: Stop Denying Global Warming!

Which has the summary:

The bolded section is particular stupid for them to write. The report has an entire section on Atmospheric Composition, which discusses the Earth's energy balance, and the describes measurements of CO2, Methane, CO etc. in detail. The news writers apparently didn't realize why the scientists would include such detailed information.

And that is why MSM can never be counted on to report science accurately. In science there are no "two sides" to an issue. There is what is correct and what is false, what is settled and what is unsettled. There are no more two sides in science than there is on debating that two and two make four. There is only one correct answer. Everything else is mistaken at best and stupidly wrong at worst.

It is confirmed and settled that the Earth is warming, we are causing it with our emissions and the consequences of not changing course are utterly catastrophic.

188 Amory Blaine  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 3:21:24pm

re: #185 Judith

I'll bet they'll have a "burn a Torah" day next week.

Nahhh. They need the Jewish people for their "rapture".

189 sattv4u2  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 3:21:33pm

re: #183 garhighway

That sounds like the beginning of a bad sci-fi movie. The microbes are our friends. Until they're not.

But Mom,, he's little and cute ,, can't we keep him??"

[Link: www.alienandufopictures.com...]

190 Kragar  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 3:21:56pm

re: #185 Judith

I'll bet they'll have a "burn a Torah" day next week.

They'll do that on December 7th.

191 Only The Lurker Knows  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 3:22:15pm

re: #182 garhighway

Wouldn't it be nice if one mainstream national Republican officeholder, one presidential aspirant, came out and said that this shit was un-American and shameful? Just one.

Am I asking for too much here? Or did that happen and I missed it?

I would actually like to see a high ranking member of the Evangelical Christian Community come forth and condemn this instead of a politician. It would carry far more weight.

Not going to happen though.

192 darthstar  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 3:22:21pm

re: #177 Amory Blaine

Book burnings give me that warm fuzzy feeling. Precious moments.

/sarc

I spent a year in a Baptist high school. They had a book and rock-n-roll tape burning scheduled. Then the fire marshall cancelled it at the last second because of the possible risk of burning plastics to our young lungs. I was able to get a copy of Boston's first album on cassette and hide it in my pocket before they took everything to the dump. Stupid fuckers.

193 darthstar  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 3:22:48pm

re: #190 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

They'll do that on December 7th.

Torah! Torah! Torah!
//

194 Kragar  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 3:23:15pm

re: #193 darthstar

Torah! Torah! Torah!
//

THE JEWS ARE BOMBING PEARL!

195 Gus  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 3:23:26pm

re: #190 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

They'll do that on December 7th.

"Isn't that when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?"

/

196 garhighway  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 3:23:30pm

re: #186 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

How many microbes will die of starvation due to human's capping their abundant food supply?
/

And then they will get mad and turn on us.

197 Amory Blaine  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 3:24:43pm

re: #192 darthstar

I spent a year in a Baptist high school. They had a book and rock-n-roll tape burning scheduled. Then the fire marshall cancelled it at the last second because of the possible risk of burning plastics to our young lungs. I was able to get a copy of Boston's first album on cassette and hide it in my pocket before they took everything to the dump. Stupid fuckers.

Whew. If it was their third album I would have tossed it in myself. j/k

198 darthstar  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 3:24:59pm

re: #194 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

THE JEWS ARE BOMBING PEARL!

Now why would they do that to Pearl Bailey?

199 ArchangelMichael  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 3:26:06pm

re: #194 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

THE JEWS ARE BOMBING PEARL!

I thought it was bombed by Jewish American Princesses.

/

200 brookly red  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 3:26:13pm

re: #194 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

THE JEWS ARE BOMBING PEARL!

good thing we didn't have troofers back then, huh?

201 Gus  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 3:26:31pm

re: #199 ArchangelMichael

I thought it was bombed by Jewish American Princesses.

/

Thwack!

/

202 sattv4u2  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 3:26:48pm

re: #199 ArchangelMichael

I thought it was bombed by Jewish American Princesses.

/

Thats Miami Beach!

203 Donna Ballard  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 3:26:52pm

re: #201 Gus 802

Thwack!

/

For sure, for sure!

204 sattv4u2  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 3:27:23pm

re: #202 sattv4u2

Thats Miami Beach!

Or am I thinking of The Catskills!?!

/

205 garhighway  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 3:27:26pm

re: #202 sattv4u2

Thats Miami Beach!

No. THEY get bombed in Miami Beach.

206 Donna Ballard  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 3:29:29pm

re: #194 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

re: #198 darthstar

re: #202 sattv4u2

re: #204 sattv4u2

re: #205 garhighway

Oooh, stop! I worked my abs real hard this morning and all this laughing really hurts! *GROAN*

207 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 3:29:35pm

re: #199 ArchangelMichael

I thought it was bombed by Jewish American Princesses.

/

If you wish to potentiality enrage the sisters with such jokes - go for it... I should warn you though that angry Jewish women are only slight less lethal than enraged cyborg velociraptors with particle beams mounted behind their eyes.

208 sattv4u2  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 3:29:57pm

Ah well. My son informs me that the BBQ grill looks ready

Time to go sear some dead animal carcass

Cya!

209 sattv4u2  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 3:30:18pm

re: #206 Dragon_Lady

re: #198 darthstar

re: #202 sattv4u2

re: #204 sattv4u2

re: #205 garhighway

Oooh, stop! I worked my abs real hard this morning and all this laughing really hurts! *GROAN*

:) yer welcome

210 brookly red  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 3:30:38pm

re: #208 sattv4u2

Ah well. My son informs me that the BBQ grill looks ready

Time to go sear some dead animal carcass

Cya!

watch out for the microbes!

211 Donna Ballard  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 3:30:58pm

re: #208 sattv4u2

Ah well. My son informs me that the BBQ grill looks ready

Time to go sear some dead animal carcass

Cya!

NOMS!

212 darthstar  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 3:30:59pm

re: #206 Dragon_Lady

Oooh, stop! I worked my abs real hard this morning and all this laughing really hurts! *GROAN*


I wish someone would work my abs.

213 sattv4u2  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 3:31:02pm

re: #210 brookly red

watch out for the microbes!

It's whats for dinner!

214 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 3:31:24pm

re: #207 LudwigVanQuixote

If you wish to potentiality enrage the sisters with such jokes - go for it... I should warn you though that angry Jewish women are only slight less lethal than enraged cyborg velociraptors with particle beams mounted behind their eyes.

Me Grimlock like!

//

215 sattv4u2  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 3:31:30pm

re: #212 darthstar

I wish someone would work my abs.

in bed

216 Donna Ballard  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 3:32:17pm

re: #212 darthstar

I wish someone would work my abs.

I joined a gym 2 months ago and have been diligently working out 4 days a week. So far I've lost 10 lbs. You gotta do it yourself my friend!

217 brookly red  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 3:32:39pm

re: #207 LudwigVanQuixote

If you wish to potentiality enrage the sisters with such jokes - go for it... I should warn you though that angry Jewish women are only slight less lethal than enraged cyborg velociraptors with particle beams mounted behind their eyes.

IF your married to them... you left that part out ;)

218 Cato the Elder  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 3:33:13pm

The Nazis started things really rolling by burning Talmuds.

Just sayin'.

219 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 3:33:50pm

re: #217 brookly red

IF your married to them... you left that part out ;)

NO actually, I have to disagree. If you are married to her, she might decide you still have some use to you and not kill you outright. You might make it out with a bad limp...

220 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 3:34:29pm

re: #218 Cato the Elder

The Nazis started things really rolling by burning Talmuds.

Just sayin'.

Ohhh that "tradition" goes back to the Church.

221 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 3:34:58pm

re: #191 Bubblehead II

I would actually like to see a high ranking member of the Evangelical Christian Community come forth and condemn this instead of a politician. It would carry far more weight.

Not going to happen though.

RICK WARREN, WHERE ARE YOU???

222 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 3:35:03pm

re: #219 LudwigVanQuixote

PIMF

NO actually, I have to disagree. If you are married to her, she might decide you still have some use to her and not kill you outright. You might make it out with a bad limp...

223 brookly red  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 3:35:22pm

re: #216 Dragon_Lady

I joined a gym 2 months ago and have been diligently working out 4 days a week. So far I've lost 10 lbs. You gotta do it yourself my friend!

don't go by weight alone cause fat weighs less than muscle... working out can make you loose size but still gain weight in the short term.

224 RogueOne  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 3:35:35pm

Hi all! I'm out. The dirty turn-key finally came back and got me. Today has been an exciting day all the way around. I got to see some guy get shot with a bean bag shotgun, I put a protective order against the 30 yr old dirtbag trying to date my teen SiL and now I'm taking a break while she has an emotional breakdown in the other room because the cops showed up at his work letting him know he was no longer allowed to be in the building. I picked a hell of a week to quit smoking....

225 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 3:35:44pm

re: #192 darthstar

I spent a year in a Baptist high school. They had a book and rock-n-roll tape burning scheduled. Then the fire marshall cancelled it at the last second because of the possible risk of burning plastics to our young lungs. I was able to get a copy of Boston's first album on cassette and hide it in my pocket before they took everything to the dump. Stupid fuckers.

As you all know, I teach mostly in Catholic schools. We have never burned anything except some hamburgers at the homecoming game cookout.

I feel sort of left out here.

226 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 3:36:07pm

re: #207 LudwigVanQuixote

If you wish to potentiality enrage the sisters with such jokes - go for it... I should warn you though that angry Jewish women are only slight less lethal than enraged cyborg velociraptors with particle beams mounted behind their eyes.

Not to mention when you combine an angry Jewish woman with an enraged cyborg velociraptor...

Youtube Video
227 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 3:36:52pm

re: #226 Alouette

Not to mention when you combine an angry Jewish woman with an enraged cyborg velociraptor...


[Video]

Yeah, goyim don't get that this is actual footage and not a joke...

228 darthstar  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 3:37:09pm

re: #216 Dragon_Lady

I joined a gym 2 months ago and have been diligently working out 4 days a week. So far I've lost 10 lbs. You gotta do it yourself my friend!

I've got two gym memberships (YMCA and the gym at my office since my company reimburses me 75 bucks a month toward a membership). I work out a couple of days a week, but have been off my thyroid supplements for a month - just got my prescriptions refilled yesterday, so I'll start losing weight again...but I put about 15lbs on by not taking them...feh...it sucks not having a natural metabolism anymore.)

229 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 3:38:44pm

re: #198 darthstar

Now why would they do that to Pearl Bailey?

Yo, Darth.
If you're interested. I'm not sure why I steered the conversation the way I went with it, it actually was not the point I was trying to make.

230 researchok  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 3:39:04pm

re: #218 Cato the Elder

The Nazis started things really rolling by burning Talmuds.

Just sayin'.

And Freud.

Just sayin'.

231 Donna Ballard  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 3:39:28pm

re: #223 brookly red

don't go by weight alone cause fat weighs less than muscle... working out can make you loose size but still gain weight in the short term.

Oh yeah I know, this isn't the first time I've worked out in a gym. RWC's a black-belt and I used to workout at the same time he was learning to kick butt. I've lost an inch off my waist, my thighs and rib cage so now my close are loosening. I want to loose another 10 lbs by the end of summer so I eat lots of veggies and watch the carb count too. I do a snoopy dance every time I see progress!

232 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 3:40:36pm

re: #216 Dragon_Lady

I joined a gym 2 months ago and have been diligently working out 4 days a week. So far I've lost 10 lbs. You gotta do it yourself my friend!

Nice! Good for you!

233 MittDoesNotCompute  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 3:41:53pm

re: #143 SanFranciscoZionist

People who think they're pious, but are actually a stain on the honor of the Christian community are called Christains.

Unfortunately, so true...people like this are so focused on their twisted interpretations of the Word, their deeds are tainted by it.

/those in glass houses...

234 darthstar  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 3:42:35pm

re: #229 reine.de.tout

Yo, Darth.
If you're interested. I'm not sure why I steered the conversation the way I went with it, it actually was not the point I was trying to make.

Yes, I saw that...just responded. I'm not one to use the "they hate xxx" argument, even in jest. No worries though. I still love you just the same.

235 Cato the Elder  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 3:42:43pm

re: #224 RogueOne

Hi all! I'm out. The dirty turn-key finally came back and got me. Today has been an exciting day all the way around. I got to see some guy get shot with a bean bag shotgun, I put a protective order against the 30 yr old dirtbag trying to date my teen SiL and now I'm taking a break while she has an emotional breakdown in the other room because the cops showed up at his work letting him know he was no longer allowed to be in the building. I picked a hell of a week to quit smoking...

What did the turd have to do to finally draw the attention of the cops?

236 Donna Ballard  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 3:43:15pm

re: #228 darthstar

I've got two gym memberships (YMCA and the gym at my office since my company reimburses me 75 bucks a month toward a membership). I work out a couple of days a week, but have been off my thyroid supplements for a month - just got my prescriptions refilled yesterday, so I'll start losing weight again...but I put about 15lbs on by not taking them...feh...it sucks not having a natural metabolism anymore.)

I had hyperactive thyroid as a teen, they did a radioactive iodine treatment and killed half of it so now I have to go in for yearly blood tests to make sure it stays level, I think its been a bit under active in the past few years and that's why I've gained so much weight, either that or I'm just plain lazy! Let me tell you I didn't enjoy knowing the possible side effects of the treatment!

237 RogueOne  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 3:43:40pm

re: #228 darthstar

re: #231 Dragon_Lady

I have the opposite problem. I have to seriously overeat and be entirely lazy to gain a lb. I managed to gain almost 30 unwanted lbs over the last few years (sitting behind a desk instead of working) and took it off in barely over a month just by dieting. I'm tall so the weight loss wasn't even noticeable with my clothes on. I lost it in May/June and started working out hard again mid june/july. In another 2 weeks I'll be posting nudes.

238 darthstar  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 3:44:06pm

re: #236 Dragon_Lady

I had hyperactive thyroid as a teen, they did a radioactive iodine treatment and killed half of it so now I have to go in for yearly blood tests to make sure it stays level, I think its been a bit under active in the past few years and that's why I've gained so much weight, either that or I'm just plain lazy! Let me tell you I didn't enjoy knowing the possible side effects of the treatment!

They tried to kill half of mine, but my iodine uptake was so severe it killed the whole thing. So I'm in supplement city for life.

239 Donna Ballard  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 3:44:38pm

re: #238 darthstar

They tried to kill half of mine, but my iodine uptake was so severe it killed the whole thing. So I'm in supplement city for life.

OUCH! That really sucks!

240 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 3:44:52pm

re: #234 darthstar

Yes, I saw that...just responded. I'm not one to use the "they hate xxx" argument, even in jest. No worries though. I still love you just the same.

Ditto!
{darth}

241 bubba zanetti  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 3:45:12pm

Now that's not really being non-denominational, is it?

242 brookly red  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 3:45:29pm

re: #237 RogueOne

re: #231 Dragon_Lady

I have the opposite problem. I have to seriously overeat and be entirely lazy to gain a lb. I managed to gain almost 30 unwanted lbs over the last few years (sitting behind a desk instead of working) and took it off in barely over a month just by dieting. I'm tall so the weight loss wasn't even noticeable with my clothes on. I lost it in May/June and started working out hard again mid june/july. In another 2 weeks I'll be posting nudes.

I need about 4000 calories a day to maintain my weight... beer helps.

243 Donna Ballard  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 3:46:36pm

re: #237 RogueOne

re: #231 Dragon_Lady

I have the opposite problem. I have to seriously overeat and be entirely lazy to gain a lb. I managed to gain almost 30 unwanted lbs over the last few years (sitting behind a desk instead of working) and took it off in barely over a month just by dieting. I'm tall so the weight loss wasn't even noticeable with my clothes on. I lost it in May/June and started working out hard again mid june/july. In another 2 weeks I'll be posting nudes.

Um, OMG! TMI? It's going to take me another 2 or three months to lose THAT much weight! (Maybe six) :P

244 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 3:47:00pm

re: #224 RogueOne

Hi all! I'm out. The dirty turn-key finally came back and got me. Today has been an exciting day all the way around. I got to see some guy get shot with a bean bag shotgun, I put a protective order against the 30 yr old dirtbag trying to date my teen SiL and now I'm taking a break while she has an emotional breakdown in the other room because the cops showed up at his work letting him know he was no longer allowed to be in the building. I picked a hell of a week to quit smoking...

Do we know why, yet, you were in jail to begin with?
Are you going to tell us?
Nosy minds are dying to know . . .

245 Amory Blaine  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 3:49:01pm

I was pretty avg ht/ wt. Quit smoking 6 yrs ago. Kept the wolf at the door for two years by running/working out. Totally got bored and quit. Now I'm 40 lbs overweight. Gaahhhhh

I was always the skinny kid !!!

246 RogueOne  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 3:49:46pm

re: #235 Cato the Elder

What did the turd have to do to finally draw the attention of the cops?

Nothing. He gave her drugs and alcohol and she had a panic attack and ended up in the hospital. I went to his parole officer and was told there was nothing I could do about it. She brought him in for a drug test but she told me even if he came up hot, which he did, it wouldn't be enough to violate his parole. Then I went to the prosecutors office and told them if they didn't do something about it, I would and they would have 2 cases to prosecute. Luckily the guy, a friend of my brothers, has a sense of humor. He told me the same thing, really nothing he could do about it but he suggested I go talk to a judge friend of my fathers. The judge was the one who suggested the protective order. All I had to do was show up at 8 am this morning and fill out some paperwork and they brought a judge out to talk to me and he signed the order. I was allowed to put any place I didn't want him to show up which included the high school, her work (where he works too), and my house. He can contest it but he would have to wait for a court date which will take months.

247 Donna Ballard  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 3:50:41pm

re: #242 brookly red

I need about 4000 calories a day to maintain my weight... beer helps.

Now that I can believe! You want to gain weight? DRINK BEER! Well folks its been fun but I gotta go check and see if I can get some laundry into the machines. Our bldg mgrs have been dominating the laundry room all day and I hate it when they do that! BBL!

248 Ojoe  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 3:51:34pm

It is not the Koran per se, it is the actions of some of those who take it way too seriously.

& that includes both Mohammad Atta and the people from Dove World Outreach Center.

The long term best response to the Koran or any similar book it to let the copies of it gather much dust.

Much much dust.

249 Cato the Elder  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 3:52:37pm

re: #246 RogueOne

Nothing. He gave her drugs and alcohol and she had a panic attack and ended up in the hospital.

I told you when this story first came up that I guaranteed he would do that.

250 RogueOne  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 3:53:34pm

re: #244 reine.de.tout

Do we know why, yet, you were in jail to begin with?
Are you going to tell us?
Nosy minds are dying to know . . .

I was working. I put that in the other thread, sorry. They're a long time customer. On a job like today they brought me into a cleared out cell block and lock me in to work. Usually it's no big deal. Today is the first time I ever saw them have to get physical with an inmate. When I started working for them 10 yrs ago they used to leave the inmates in there with me. They would help me carry my crap in and help out getting the work finished. Now, not so much.

251 Randall Gross  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 3:53:43pm

If I'm remembering right this Dove world group was also associated with the Dominionist pastor from the Rifka Bary trials as well, the guy who "god talks to while he's jogging"

252 Kragar  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 3:57:13pm

re: #251 Thanos

If I'm remembering right this Dove world group was also associated with the Dominionist pastor from the Rifka Bary trials as well, the guy who "god talks to while he's jogging"

I talk to God while jogging, but its usually things like "I hate fucking hills" or "Wow, nice tits over there."

253 Ojoe  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 3:58:33pm

re: #252 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

"Wow, nice tits over there."

God does good work! Who can doubt his existence?

254 brookly red  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 3:58:37pm

re: #252 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I talk to God while jogging, but its usually things like "I hate fucking hills" or "Wow, nice tits over there."

/Jogging? isn't that what Cardiologists do to commit suicide?

255 darthstar  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 3:59:08pm

OT: cool pic though.

256 RogueOne  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 4:00:34pm

re: #249 Cato the Elder

I told you when this story first came up that I guaranteed he would do that.

I blacked his eyes, called his probation officer, showed up at his house where he locked himself in the bathroom instead of coming out to face me and he STILL didn't get the message. Well, he got the message today when the cops showed up and escorted him out of his f'n fast food job. pansy ass loser.

Yesterday after talking to the judge I was back at the shop working and laughing about what was about to happen I was the only one there so I had all the doors open while I worked so if anyone needed anything I could be found. I had headphones on my phone singing along to a punk playlist belting out tunes at the top of my lungs, doing a little jig. I was pumped. About halfway through the chorus of "I wanna be a homosexual" I thought maybe I shouldn't be singing so loudly after all, at least not that close to the mission house down the street. It has been a fun couple of days.

Screeching Weasel

Youtube Video
257 brookly red  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 4:01:19pm

re: #252 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I talk to God while jogging, but its usually things like "I hate fucking hills" or "Wow, nice tits over there."

I can't remember the last boob thread... it's just a distant mammary

258 Cato the Elder  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 4:02:48pm

My question for Spencer and Geller is, are you planning to show up at this little Nazifest and enjoy the fruits of your propaganda?

259 Ojoe  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 4:03:58pm

re: #257 brookly red

Here you go to start one up again (Dolly).

260 RogueOne  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 4:05:21pm

I don't hear anymore screaming or crying coming from the other room. Guess that's my cue to go stir shit up again. BBIAB.

261 albusteve  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 4:05:42pm

re: #258 Cato the Elder

My question for Spencer and Geller is, are you planning to show up at this little Nazifest and enjoy the fruits of your propaganda?

good question...the doubleblab answer would be worth hearing

262 brookly red  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 4:07:01pm

re: #260 RogueOne

I don't hear anymore screaming or crying coming from the other room. Guess that's my cue to go stir shit up again. BBIAB.

/their dead Jim.

263 Kragar  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 4:10:13pm

re: #253 Ojoe

God does good work! Who can doubt his existence?

THANKS GOD!

Youtube Video
264 Mr Pancakes  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 4:12:22pm

re: #259 Ojoe

Here you go to start one up again (Dolly).

Here's Dolly in a video singing backup for an "evil" Islamic terrorist.
////

Youtube Video
265 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 4:12:38pm

Fox news exclusive:Mike Huckabee and Tim LaHaye Discuss The End Times

Youtube Video
266 pharmmajor  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 4:13:54pm

Fuck. These. Retards.

267 Gus  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 4:16:45pm

Woohoo!

Drudge links to Infowars article:

2017: 'The Year America Dissolved'...

An article by Paul Craig Roberts who's also a truther:

Roberts comments on the "scientific impossibility" of the official explanation for the events on 9/11 and says those engineers and physicists who accept this theory are wrong. On August 18, 2006, he wrote:

I will begin by stating what we know to be a solid incontrovertible scientific fact. We know that it is strictly impossible for any building, much less steel columned buildings, to “pancake” at free fall speed. Therefore, it is a non-controversial fact that the official explanation of the collapse of the WTC buildings is false... Since the damning incontrovertible fact has not been investigated, speculation and “conspiracy theories” have filled the void.

On the (back) cover of Debunking 9/11 Debunking (2007) he is quoted:

Professor Griffin is the nemesis of the 9/11 cover-up. This new book destroys the credibility of the NIST and Popular Mechanics reports and annihilates his critics.

268 Cato the Elder  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 4:18:35pm

The shitstained Christains are on the loose,
Trying to burn my "Mother Goose".
They tell me it's all packed with lies,
Like simple Simon and his pies.
The thing's a parable to me -
but not as far as they can see.
Here they come now, with their lighters.
God's curse upon the evil blighters.

Copyright © 2010 Cato the Elder

269 Ojoe  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 4:20:47pm

re: #264 Mr Pancakes

I remember Dolly saying when she had recorded "Peace Train," that Cat Stevens asked her not to show any of "her boobs or her "laigs" on the album graphics." Then She laughed, because she of course she did show some.

Go Dolly!

270 Donna Ballard  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 4:20:49pm

re: #268 Cato the Elder

The shitstained Christains are on the loose,
Trying to burn my "Mother Goose".
They tell me it's all packed with lies,
Like simple Simon and his pies.
The thing's a parable to me -
but not as far as they can see.
Here they come now, with their lighters.
God's curse upon the evil blighters.

Copyright © 2010 Cato the Elder

Very well done Cato!

271 MittDoesNotCompute  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 4:21:16pm

re: #267 Gus 802

Woohoo!

Drudge links to Infowars article:

2017: 'The Year America Dissolved'...

An article by Paul Craig Roberts who's also a truther:

Professor Griffin is the nemesis of the 9/11 cover-up. This new book destroys the credibility of the NIST and Popular Mechanics reports and annihilates his critics.

Only in his and the Truthers' heads...everyone else thinks they're batshit loons full of shit.

272 albusteve  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 4:21:17pm

re: #266 pharmmajor

Fuck. These. Retards.


this use of 'retard' makes me grumpy...not so classy

273 albusteve  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 4:21:55pm

re: #269 Ojoe

I remember Dolly saying when she had recorded "Peace Train," that Cat Stevens asked her not to show any of "her boobs or her "laigs" on the album graphics." Then She laughed, because she of course she did show some.

Go Dolly!

but he loved the $$$

274 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 4:23:23pm

How many new Jihadis will be recruited using the imagery of this kind of shit (distorted or otherwise)? Yeah, this could persuade some fence-sitters, I bet. Not towards our side of the fence, mind you, but still. Good job, fuckwhistles. You might just get some US soldiers killed. Maybe some civilians, too. Don't let that stop you from showing your ass, however. Knock yourself right the fuck out.

275 Ojoe  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 4:23:39pm

re: #273 albusteve

Sure of course he loved the $$.

276 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 4:24:35pm

re: #271 talon_262

Only in his and the Truthers' heads...everyone else thinks they're batshit loons full of shit.

Uhhh...not really.. Drudge, Beck Tea Partiers, and conservative blogs believe very deeply in the doom he's talking about in that article. Sadly, this is now mainstream conservative thought.

277 darthstar  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 4:25:53pm

Great Bass! (Lesh Philling)

278 Gus  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 4:26:03pm

re: #276 Killgore Trout

Uhhh...not really.. Drudge, Beck Tea Partiers, and conservative blogs believe very deeply in the doom he's talking about in that article. Sadly, this is now mainstream conservative thought.

Here's more on Paul Craig Roberts that Drudge (Breitbart) linked to:

Israel

In an article for Counterpunch magazine titled "Pirates of the Mediterranean", Roberts wrote that for 60 years, Israel has replicated "the 17th, 18th, and 19th century theft of American Indian lands by US settlers." Roberts repeated charges that Gaza is "the world largest concentration camp" populated by people who were "driven out of Palestine so that "Israel could steal their land." He called the U.S. State Department a "puppet" of the Israelis and the U.S. itself a "puppet state" of the Israelis. He concludes the article by claiming that "there’s no money for California, or for Americans’ health care, or for the several million Americans who have lost their homes and are homeless, because Israel needs it.

Drudge frequently links to Pat Buchanan.

279 brookly red  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 4:26:19pm

re: #273 albusteve

but he loved the $$$

re: #275 Ojoe

Sure of course he loved the $$.

OK Joe... steve said $$$ & you can only account for $$... you have some explaining to do.

280 Ojoe  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 4:27:21pm

Marian Anderson sings Deep River.

Since we are talking about singers here.

Youtube Video
281 albusteve  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 4:27:52pm

re: #276 Killgore Trout

Uhhh...not really.. Drudge, Beck Tea Partiers, and conservative blogs believe very deeply in the doom he's talking about in that article. Sadly, this is now mainstream conservative thought.

I highly doubt it...but it may depend on what you consider mainstream

282 Ojoe  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 4:27:59pm

re: #279 brookly red

I gave some $ to the Whigs.

283 albusteve  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 4:28:56pm

re: #282 Ojoe

I gave some $ to the Whigs.

sure you're not a democrat?

284 brookly red  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 4:29:12pm

re: #282 Ojoe

I gave some $ to the Whigs.

You know the Boss don't like skimmers don't you?

285 Varek Raith  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 4:29:55pm

Testing 1,2...

286 brookly red  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 4:30:03pm

re: #283 albusteve

sure you're not a democrat?

no, he only took a third...

287 Donna Ballard  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 4:30:23pm

See All You Lizards Later! Have a Nice Evening and Keep Laughing! ;)

288 albusteve  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 4:31:41pm

speaking of the Devil...

Youtube Video
289 brookly red  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 4:33:01pm

re: #285 Varek Raith

Testing 1,2...

BOOM!!!11!!

290 Ojoe  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 4:33:02pm

LGF the humor blog.

BBL

Going to buy some pizza for Whig HQ dinner

w/anchovies


BBL

291 brookly red  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 4:33:48pm

re: #290 Ojoe

LGF the humor blog.

BBL

Going to buy some pizza for Whig HQ dinner

w/anchovies

BBL

the Boss likes anchovies... good move.

292 Mr Pancakes  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 4:34:27pm

re: #290 Ojoe

w/anchovies

You rock!

293 Varek Raith  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 4:34:27pm

re: #289 brookly red

BOOM!!!11!!

Yeah, that's exactly what happened to my browser...
Sheesh.

294 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 4:35:44pm

re: #281 albusteve

I highly doubt it...but it may depend on what you consider mainstream

That article is absolutely no different than anything you'll find of Glenn Beck's show, fox news, conservative blogs or Tea Party signs. That's why drudge is linking to it. That's what his audience wants.

295 brookly red  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 4:36:36pm

re: #294 Killgore Trout

That article is absolutely no different than anything you'll find of Glenn Beck's show, fox news, conservative blogs or Tea Party signs. That's why drudge is linking to it. That's what his audience wants.

all 30 million of them?

296 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 4:36:44pm

Yo Garhighway
I finally got a chance to respond to your post downstairs... Sorry to be a bit late.

297 Gus  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 4:39:01pm

re: #294 Killgore Trout

That article is absolutely no different than anything you'll find of Glenn Beck's show, fox news, conservative blogs or Tea Party signs. That's why drudge is linking to it. That's what his audience wants.

It's just a link.

//

298 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 4:39:29pm

re: #297 Gus 802

It's just a link.

//

we're just asking questions/

299 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 4:39:34pm

Okay I just want to say I find the T-shirts really offensive. That is naked hate. They may as well have equated Islam with the most heinous despicable crime you can name. Far worse than burning some printed paper.

300 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 4:39:48pm

BBL

301 albusteve  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 4:39:50pm

re: #294 Killgore Trout

That article is absolutely no different than anything you'll find of Glenn Beck's show, fox news, conservative blogs or Tea Party signs. That's why drudge is linking to it. That's what his audience wants.

I know that....I don't confuse popularity with mainstream....Ozzy Osborne has more fans than Beck, consider that

302 Only The Lurker Knows  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 4:40:11pm

re: #288 albusteve

He got his ass kicked.

Youtube Video

Not to mention that your embedded video isn't working

303 mr.fusion  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 4:42:12pm

re: #221 SanFranciscoZionist

RICK WARREN, WHERE ARE YOU???

Ya know, with all of the cries we hear for Muslims to "refudiate" the Jihadi's in their mist .... it would be nice to see some high profile Christians doing the same with the wack jobs on their side

304 Only The Lurker Knows  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 4:42:13pm

re: #302 Bubblehead II

He got his ass kicked.


[Video]

Not to mention that your embedded video isn't working

oops, my bad. Went back to dbl check and it now is working. Must have been a Lizaedlanch.

305 albusteve  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 4:42:24pm

re: #302 Bubblehead II

He got his ass kicked.


[Video]Not to mention that your embedded video isn't working

288 works for me

306 albusteve  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 4:43:33pm

re: #304 Bubblehead II

oops, my bad. Went back to dbl check and it now is working. Must have been a Lizaedlanch.

they can be complicated to operate

307 Only The Lurker Knows  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 4:43:36pm

re: #303 mr.fusion

Ya know, with all of the cries we hear for Muslims to "refudiate" the Jihadi's in their mist ... it would be nice to see some high profile Christians doing the same with the wack jobs on their side

Yes, it would. But like I said I said in the post that Reine responded to, it will never happen.

308 Mocking Jay  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 4:46:24pm

Lazio To Cuomo: I Challenge Thee To A Mosque-Only Debate

Rick Lazio, the Republican frontrunner in the primary for New York governor, has thrown down the gauntlet and challenged Democratic nominee and state Attorney General Andrew Cuomo to a debate...a debate that focuses solely on the controversial plans to build a Muslim community center near Ground Zero.

In a statement released yesterday, Lazio wrote that "the time to debate the Cordoba Mosque proposed to be built on the sacred land at Ground Zero is now."

Yes, this is the greatest concern on NY's minds.

309 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 4:47:15pm

re: #307 Bubblehead II

Yes, it would. But like I said I said in the post that Reine responded to, it will never happen.

just setting the record straight - I think SFZ responded to the comment you're talking about.
I don't disagree with her at all. But it wasn't me.

310 Gus  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 4:48:52pm

re: #308 JasonA

Lazio To Cuomo: I Challenge Thee To A Mosque-Only Debate

Yes, this is the greatest concern on NY's minds.

I like the first comment:

Oh dear sweet mother of God. It's just going to be a constant firehose of toxic stupid for the rest of the summer.

Seriously.

311 Only The Lurker Knows  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 4:49:41pm

re: #309 reine.de.tout

just setting the record straight - I think SFZ responded to the comment you're talking about.
I don't disagree with her at all. But it wasn't me.

My bad. Sorry for the wrong attribution.

312 brookly red  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 4:49:47pm

re: #308 JasonA

Lazio To Cuomo: I Challenge Thee To A Mosque-Only Debate

Yes, this is the greatest concern on NY's minds.

well maybe not THE greatest but there is certainly enough concern among New Yorkers (for better or worse) to make it a campaign issue.

313 Sergeant major  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 4:50:26pm

I don't agree with what they are doing however, it's there right within the law. I have seen hundreds of American flags being burned. I've seen a beautiful Catholic church in Mosul Iraq completely destroyed along with all of their Bibles but I guess it's because they weren't "American Muslims" it's OK?
Our nation is not as full of Bigots and racists as we would like to believe. Yes we have our share of idiots but I would like to think we as a whole are much more civilized than the morons that occupy the thread topic.

314 albusteve  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 4:51:45pm

re: #312 brookly red

well maybe not THE greatest but there is certainly enough concern among New Yorkers (for better or worse) to make it a campaign issue.

so Yew Norkers are not so smart after all...there is no issue, it's make believe...I'm never visiting YNC ever again

315 albusteve  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 4:52:35pm

re: #313 Sergeant major

I don't agree with what they are doing however, it's there right within the law. I have seen hundreds of American flags being burned. I've seen a beautiful Catholic church in Mosul Iraq completely destroyed along with all of their Bibles but I guess it's because they weren't "American Muslims" it's OK?
Our nation is not as full of Bigots and racists as we would like to believe. Yes we have our share of idiots but I would like to think we as a whole are much more civilized than the morons that occupy the thread topic.

they are....yawn

316 Gus  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 4:52:55pm

Hmmm.

I'll let you guys hammer this out.

Back later.

317 brookly red  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 4:54:20pm

re: #314 albusteve

so Yew Norkers are not so smart after all...there is no issue, it's make believe...I'm never visiting YNC ever again

we mourn the loss... the annual albusteve parade raised millions, almost enough to pick up the trash afterwards :)

318 albusteve  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 4:55:49pm

re: #317 brookly red

we mourn the loss... the annual albusteve parade raised millions, almost enough to pick up the trash afterwards :)

that was a double silly....I wouldn't be caught dead in Norktown

319 Obdicut  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 4:57:16pm

re: #313 Sergeant major

Where have you seen hundreds of US flags being burned?

I live in San Francisco and work near Berkeley and I've never seen a single one burned.

320 albusteve  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 4:58:24pm

re: #319 Obdicut

Where have you seen hundreds of US flags being burned?

I live in San Francisco and work near Berkeley and I've never seen a single one burned.

aren't US flags banned in SF?

321 Cato the Elder  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 4:58:48pm

re: #313 Sergeant major

I don't agree with what they are doing however, it's there [sic] right within the law. I have seen hundreds of American flags being burned. I've seen a beautiful Catholic church in Mosul Iraq completely destroyed along with all of their Bibles but I guess it's because they weren't "American Muslims" it's OK?

Who here said that?

Right. You did.

Go take a shit up a ladder.

322 albusteve  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 4:58:58pm

re: #320 albusteve

aren't US flags banned in SF?

oh wait, that's warships

323 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 4:59:47pm

I just made a page about Peter Sinclair's two newest videos. HE has a "Heat wave edition"

For those of you who might think that this is confusing climate and weather, not at all.

Just as the extreme weather events of this last winter were caused by substantially warmer oceans and lakes, the quite well predicted el Nino is going to make things into super scorchers.

We were warming even when things should have been cooling, if not for the emissions.

Right now, we are still adding warming even when things would be getting hotter anyway if not for the emissions. Strap in kids - it will get much worse from here.

324 brookly red  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 5:01:13pm

re: #322 albusteve

oh wait, that's warships

/we fooled em... we put Cuban flags on em :)

325 albusteve  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 5:01:52pm

re: #324 brookly red

/we fooled em... we put Cuban flags on em :)

ahaha!
good one

326 Obdicut  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 5:01:54pm

re: #322 albusteve

oh wait, that's warships

Uh, yeah.

[Link: www.chiff.com...]

[Link: www.fleetweek.us...]

We hate them so much we have a parade of them every year.

Do you know anything about California or San Francisco?

327 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 5:02:48pm

re: #303 mr.fusion

Ya know, with all of the cries we hear for Muslims to "refudiate" the Jihadi's in their mist ... it would be nice to see some high profile Christians doing the same with the wack jobs on their side

it's not even in the national news yet, after my quick google search. hard to refudiate something you haven't heard about. give it time.

328 albusteve  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 5:02:52pm

re: #326 Obdicut

Uh, yeah.

[Link: www.chiff.com...]

[Link: www.fleetweek.us...]

We hate them so much we have a parade of them every year.

Do you know anything about California or San Francisco?

are you actually a fish?

329 brookly red  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 5:04:24pm

re: #328 albusteve

are you actually a fish?

/are you actually John Cleese?

330 Obdicut  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 5:05:00pm

re: #328 albusteve

are you actually a fish?

That would be a 'no, I have no clue about anything having to do with California or San Francisco, but it sure doesn't stop me talking about it', then?

331 albusteve  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 5:05:10pm

re: #329 brookly red

/are you actually John Cleese?

in a couple of weeks I'm gonna do my Black Knight jokes

332 Cato the Elder  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 5:06:22pm

re: #323 LudwigVanQuixote

I just made a page about Peter Sinclair's two newest videos. HE has a "Heat wave edition"

For those of you who might think that this is confusing climate and weather, not at all.

Just as the extreme weather events of this last winter were caused by substantially warmer oceans and lakes, the quite well predicted el Nino is going to make things into super scorchers.

We were warming even when things should have been cooling, if not for the emissions.

Right now, we are still adding warming even when things would be getting hotter anyway if not for the emissions. Strap in kids - it will get much worse from here.

We will all kill each other over race, religion, and other ridiculous stuff long before the heat gets us.

Global Fucking Warming don't scare me. Panicky, adrenalin-charged people do.

333 albusteve  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 5:06:28pm

re: #330 Obdicut

That would be a 'no, I have no clue about anything having to do with California or San Francisco, but it sure doesn't stop me talking about it', then?

what you have no clue about, is when you've been baited....it has nothing to do with CA, guppie

334 Mocking Jay  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 5:06:29pm

re: #312 brookly red

well maybe not THE greatest but there is certainly enough concern among New Yorkers (for better or worse) to make it a campaign issue.

It doesn't demand an exclusive debate.

335 Varek Raith  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 5:07:44pm

re: #326 Obdicut

Uh, yeah.

[Link: www.chiff.com...]

[Link: www.fleetweek.us...]

We hate them so much we have a parade of them every year.

Do you know anything about California or San Francisco?

Yes.
It's commieamericahatingheaven.
Or something.

336 albusteve  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 5:08:04pm

re: #334 JasonA

It doesn't demand an exclusive debate.

there is nothing to debate...stupid YNs can't seem to figure that out

337 brookly red  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 5:08:23pm

re: #327 Aceofwhat?

it's not even in the national news yet, after my quick google search. hard to refudiate something you haven't heard about. give it time.

yeah I was thinking the same except I don't expect it to make the "national news"... it just does not fit the errr, profile?

338 jamesfirecat  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 5:08:49pm

re: #334 JasonA

It doesn't demand an exclusive debate.

It doesn't demand a "debate" at all. All it needs is two questions?

Are the people who don't want the Mosque built familiar with the First Amendment?


Why do they think it doesn't apply in this case?

339 Mocking Jay  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 5:08:59pm

re: #336 albusteve

there is nothing to debate...stupid YNs Rick Lazio can't seem to figure that out

340 engineer cat  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 5:09:16pm

wingnut political theory: united states not a democracy:

And Article IV Section 4 cleary describes the country as a republic not a democracy. "The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government."

obviously, the original intent of the funding, uh, i mean founding fathers was for republicans, not democrats, to run the government

341 Obdicut  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 5:10:52pm

re: #333 albusteve

what you have no clue about, is when you've been baited...it has nothing to do with CA, guppie

Randomly bashing San Francisco is good Freep fun, but it's pretty stupid to do, Steve.

So is 'bating' people, for that matter.

And insulting them.

Why do it?

342 albusteve  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 5:11:01pm

the End is Near...Embrace it

343 albusteve  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 5:11:58pm

re: #341 Obdicut

Randomly bashing San Francisco is good Freep fun, but it's pretty stupid to do, Steve.

So is 'bating' people, for that matter.

And insulting them.

Why do it?

victim?....too bad
grow some balls,
and have fun

344 Varek Raith  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 5:12:43pm

re: #342 albusteve

the End is Near...Embrace it

Please tell me you're not naked and wearing a sandwich board sign saying that...

345 brookly red  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 5:13:10pm

re: #334 JasonA

It doesn't demand an exclusive debate.

well I have a lot of Democratic, municipal union working, neighbors that think it does... just saying.

346 Mocking Jay  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 5:13:13pm

re: #340 engineer dog

wingnut political theory: united states not a democracy:

And Article IV Section 4 cleary describes the country as a republic not a democracy. "The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government."

obviously, the original intent of the funding, uh, i mean founding fathers was for republicans, not democrats, to run the government

Please give me a link. Please oh please.

347 albusteve  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 5:13:33pm

re: #344 Varek Raith

Please tell me you're not naked and wearing a sandwich board sign saying that...

no sandwich board...hadn't thought of that

348 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 5:14:38pm

re: #344 Varek Raith

Please tell me you're not naked and wearing a sandwich board sign saying that...

i would protest that image, but i'm doubled over in pain...

349 Obdicut  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 5:14:45pm

re: #343 albusteve

I'm currently wearing a beer hat, and it doesn't get more fun than that.

Bashing on San Francisco with bullshit-- how is that fun, again?

How is randomly insulting me fun?

It's kinda tiresome.

350 albusteve  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 5:14:52pm

re: #345 brookly red

well I have a lot of Democratic, municipal union working, neighbors that think it does... just saying.

they are all crazed bigoted lunatics...keep your distance

351 webevintage  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 5:15:11pm

OH MY GOD WE ARE ALL GOING TO DIE IF REPUBLICANS DO NOT KILL ALL OF THESE DEMOCRAT SPACE MONSTERS BEFORE THEIR MOTHERSHIP COMES!

Read more at Wonkette: [Link: wonkette.com...]

hahahahahaha

352 engineer cat  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 5:15:13pm

re: #346 JasonA

Please give me a link. Please oh please.

this blog

[Link: betsyspage.blogspot.com...]

this discussion page

[Link: www.blogger.com...]

353 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 5:16:15pm

re: #334 JasonA

It doesn't demand an exclusive debate.

The TPM Poll Average shows Cuomo beating Lazio 57.9%-26.6%.

Lazio (like the other ones going off the rails) see this as a ticket to better poll numbers. They're just reaching as far as they can to get there. Fall out be damned.

354 albusteve  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 5:16:33pm

re: #349 Obdicut

I'm currently wearing a beer hat, and it doesn't get more fun than that.

Bashing on San Francisco with bullshit-- how is that fun, again?

How is randomly insulting me fun?

It's kinda tiresome.

too bad...don't take it so personal...
it's all in jest...you do know what that means?

355 Varek Raith  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 5:16:56pm

re: #351 webevintage

OH MY GOD WE ARE ALL GOING TO DIE IF REPUBLICANS DO NOT KILL ALL OF THESE DEMOCRAT SPACE MONSTERS BEFORE THEIR MOTHERSHIP COMES!

Read more at Wonkette: [Link: wonkette.com...]

hahahahahaha

I'd pick up the R's in the Mothership if they weren't cheapskates with the gas money.

356 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 5:18:18pm

re: #349 Obdicut

I'm currently wearing a beer hat, and it doesn't get more fun than that.

Bashing on San Francisco with bullshit-- how is that fun, again?

How is randomly insulting me fun?

It's kinda tiresome.

not funny, either. if he'd said "out of 1,000,000 sperm, you were the fastest???" then at least we'd be entertained. but "guppie"? boring.

357 brookly red  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 5:19:00pm

re: #350 albusteve

they are all crazed bigoted lunatics...keep your distance

It is kinda funny in a way. As I said originally I don't like it but I will respect the law for what it is... I will just sit back and watch.

358 albusteve  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 5:19:28pm

re: #356 Aceofwhat?

not funny, either. if he'd said "out of 1,000,000 sperm, you were the fastest???" then at least we'd be entertained. but "guppie"? boring.

I know, I should have said perch....little more girth to it

359 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 5:19:35pm

re: #332 Cato the Elder

We will all kill each other over race, religion, and other ridiculous stuff long before the heat gets us.

Global Fucking Warming don't scare me. Panicky, adrenalin-charged people do.

Ohhh Cato, you really don't get it. AGW will have consequences worse than a limited nuclear exchange. All those panicy fools out thre really have no chance to cause the damage that this is doing or damage that will last as long.

Rome fell. A mere 1100 years later, European civilization surpassed it in almost all areas.

AGW if left unchecked will cause devastation for thousands of years.

360 Obdicut  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 5:19:40pm

re: #356 Aceofwhat?

I started to riff on that, and then realized it alludes to my parents having sex and my brain shut down, took the beer hat, and ran.

Thanks a lot.

361 Obdicut  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 5:19:57pm

re: #358 albusteve

I know, I should have said perch...little more girth to it

Why is it necessary for you to insult people at all, Steve?

362 albusteve  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 5:20:59pm

re: #357 brookly red

It is kinda funny in a way. As I said originally I don't like it but I will respect the law for what it is... I will just sit back and watch.

well you have to....the law is the bottom line, and we are all watching and waiting what these people will dream up next...it's crazy

363 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 5:21:07pm

re: #358 albusteve

I know, I should have said perch...little more girth to it

Image: 633713341958325010-Point.jpg

364 Cato the Elder  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 5:22:46pm

re: #351 webevintage

OH MY GOD WE ARE ALL GOING TO DIE IF REPUBLICANS DO NOT KILL ALL OF THESE DEMOCRAT SPACE MONSTERS BEFORE THEIR MOTHERSHIP COMES!

Read more at Wonkette: [Link: wonkette.com...]

hahahahahaha

Dey comin' to take 'way ouw fweeeedumbs!

365 prairiefire  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 5:22:46pm

re: #349 Obdicut

My hubby get to go to World Open in San Fran this year. I am very jealous.

366 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 5:22:57pm

re: #360 Obdicut

I started to riff on that, and then realized it alludes to my parents having sex and my brain shut down, took the beer hat, and ran.

Thanks a lot.

argh, i didn't think that through. on the other hand...your brain hung on to the beer hat. talk about keeping cool under fire/

367 albusteve  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 5:23:02pm

re: #361 Obdicut

Why is it necessary for you to insult people at all, Steve?

why do you?...why does anybody?
you are not special....I just slammed NYC and Brookly in jest, but he's not weeping over it...get a grip

368 Cato the Elder  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 5:23:26pm

re: #359 LudwigVanQuixote

Ohhh Cato, you really don't get it. AGW will have consequences worse than a limited nuclear exchange. All those panicy fools out thre really have no chance to cause the damage that this is doing or damage that will last as long.

Rome fell. A mere 1100 years later, European civilization surpassed it in almost all areas.

AGW if left unchecked will cause devastation for thousands of years.

So, tell me how to check it.

369 Mocking Jay  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 5:23:41pm

re: #361 Obdicut

Why is it necessary for you to insult people at all, Steve?

Let me tell you this story about the frog and the scorpion...

370 brookly red  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 5:23:48pm

re: #362 albusteve

well you have to...the law is the bottom line, and we are all watching and waiting what these people will dream up next...it's crazy

/ I have heard that amnesty for 20 million will greatly reduce greenhouse gases :)

371 albusteve  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 5:23:57pm

re: #359 LudwigVanQuixote

Ohhh Cato, you really don't get it. AGW will have consequences worse than a limited nuclear exchange. All those panicy fools out thre really have no chance to cause the damage that this is doing or damage that will last as long.

Rome fell. A mere 1100 years later, European civilization surpassed it in almost all areas.

AGW if left unchecked will cause devastation for thousands of years.

the End

372 prairiefire  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 5:24:10pm

Everybody can slam Kansas City ~ if the want to. I still know where all the groovy places are.

373 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 5:24:23pm

re: #359 LudwigVanQuixote

Ohhh Cato, you really don't get it. AGW will have consequences worse than a limited nuclear exchange. All those panicy fools out thre really have no chance to cause the damage that this is doing or damage that will last as long.

Rome fell. A mere 1100 years later, European civilization surpassed it in almost all areas.

AGW if left unchecked will cause devastation for thousands of years.

What is the link to your Page describing what regular, ordinary people like Cato or myself can do, other than run around shrieking "WereallgonnadieOMGOMGOMG"

374 Obdicut  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 5:24:35pm

re: #363 Aceofwhat?

My favorite:

Image: youre%20missing%20the%20point.jpg

375 prairiefire  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 5:24:41pm

re: #372 prairiefire

pimf if they want to

376 Varek Raith  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 5:25:04pm

re: #371 albusteve

the End

Image: the-end.jpg

377 Obdicut  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 5:26:10pm

re: #367 albusteve

And again:

Image: youre%20missing%20the%20point.jpg

378 albusteve  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 5:26:37pm

re: #372 prairiefire

Everybody can slam Kansas City ~ if the want to. I still know where all the groovy places are.

I like KC very much...I'd like to spend a couple of minutes there sometime

379 brookly red  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 5:27:24pm

OT: I got tri color tortellini... so green beans, yellow squash & carrot should work, yes?

380 albusteve  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 5:27:27pm

re: #376 Varek Raith

Image: the-end.jpg

dig his shoes....kewl

381 Cato the Elder  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 5:27:39pm

re: #373 Alouette

What is the link to your Page describing what regular, ordinary people like Cato or myself can do, other than run around shrieking "WereallgonnadieOMGOMGOMG"

Number one: Kill all the extraneous humans.

Thing is, no one can agree on the list.

382 prairiefire  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 5:27:41pm

re: #378 albusteve

I like KC very much...I'd like to spend a couple of minutes there sometime

Ha!

383 albusteve  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 5:28:16pm

re: #373 Alouette

What is the link to your Page describing what regular, ordinary people like Cato or myself can do, other than run around shrieking "WereallgonnadieOMGOMGOMG"

use curly bulbs...save us

384 Varek Raith  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 5:28:31pm

re: #381 Cato the Elder

Number one: Kill all the extraneous humans.

Thing is, no one can agree on the list.

Well, I could just randomly strafe a continent with a weakened superlaser...

385 prairiefire  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 5:28:51pm

re: #379 brookly red

OT: I got tri color tortellini... so green beans, yellow squash & carrot should work, yes?

Butter and Romano cheese?

386 brookly red  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 5:29:16pm

re: #381 Cato the Elder

Number one: Kill all the extraneous humans.

Thing is, no one can agree on the list.

some where out there there is a list....

387 Eclectic Infidel  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 5:29:53pm

re: #319 Obdicut

Where have you seen hundreds of US flags being burned?

I live in San Francisco and work near Berkeley and I've never seen a single one burned.

Me neither, though I have seen both U.S. and Israeli flags defaced by Jihadi kids (read: Cal Berkeley Students for Justice in Palestine). I've watched videos of Israeli flags being burned on the streets of San Francisco (recorded by a former lizard).

388 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 5:30:06pm

re: #368 Cato the Elder

So, tell me how to check it.

use more bold in your posts.

389 Obdicut  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 5:30:20pm

re: #381 Cato the Elder

Number 1:

Reduce your own use of energy as far as possible. You've already done that.

Number 2:

Try to exercise as much restrain as you can in purchases; i.e., take into account how much went into making the thing. Buy stuff that'll last, buy stuff that's not overpackaged, etc. You probably do that already.

Number 3:

Vote for politicians who don't deny the very existence of AGW. Vote for politicians who have meaningful green initiatives.

You may or may not do that.

Number 4:

Don't be defeatist.

That one you need to work on.

390 albusteve  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 5:30:26pm

re: #387 eclectic infidel

Me neither, though I have seen both U.S. and Israeli flags defaced by Jihadi kids (read: Cal Berkeley Students for Justice in Palestine). I've watched videos of Israeli flags being burned on the streets of San Francisco (recorded by a former lizard).

I think he was talking about Iraq

391 brookly red  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 5:30:34pm

re: #385 prairiefire

Butter and Romano cheese?

butter like omega 6 spread & Romano... dash of black pepper, like that.

392 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 5:31:52pm

re: #384 Varek Raith

Well, I could just randomly strafe a continent with a weakened superlaser...

don't tell me you're going soft/

393 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 5:32:31pm

This is like the 45th time I've seen Ludwig asked that question. And I haven't even been here a year. He's posted the response so many times.

394 Eclectic Infidel  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 5:33:03pm

re: #390 albusteve

I think he was talking about Iraq

Ah, well, here in the Bay Area, opposing the Iraq war and bashing Israel walk hand in hand.

395 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 5:33:03pm

re: #393 Stanley Sea

This is like the 45th time I've seen Ludwig asked that question. And I haven't even been here a year. He's posted the response so many times.

That why I asked for the link so that I can bookmark it.

396 albusteve  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 5:33:11pm

re: #393 Stanley Sea

This is like the 45th time I've seen Ludwig asked that question. And I haven't even been here a year. He's posted the response so many times.

he likes it

397 Varek Raith  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 5:33:42pm

re: #392 Aceofwhat?

don't tell me you're going soft/

Not at all.
Just when solving AGW is within reach, BOOOMMMM!!!

398 albusteve  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 5:34:32pm

re: #395 Alouette

That why I asked for the link so that I can bookmark it.

well I've read all 45 responses and it's all pretty generic...you can easily figure it out

399 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 5:34:43pm

re: #389 Obdicut

aw, that's no fun. surely 1 through 3 are enough to buy an indulgence for 4?

400 brookly red  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 5:35:06pm

re: #397 Varek Raith

Not at all.
Just when solving AGW is within reach, BOOOMMM!!!

global warming meet nuclear winter...

401 Cato the Elder  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 5:35:55pm

re: #389 Obdicut

[...]

Number 4:

Don't be defeatist.

That one you need to work on.

But what if I honestly think that the demographics have already defeated us?

402 albusteve  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 5:36:02pm

re: #399 Aceofwhat?

aw, that's no fun. surely 1 through 3 are enough to buy an indulgence for 4?

politicians could care less about AGW unless it somehow affects their run for re-election

403 Varek Raith  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 5:36:13pm

re: #400 brookly red

global warming meet nuclear winter...

Nothing solves a problem like blowing the crap out if it™.

404 Mr. Crankypants  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 5:36:42pm

evening....OT, but Iowa sweet corn in the middle of summer should probably be listed under Gluttony as one of the 7 deadly sins.

405 Varek Raith  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 5:36:45pm

re: #403 Varek Raith

Nothing solves a problem like blowing the crap out of it™.

406 albusteve  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 5:36:47pm

re: #401 Cato the Elder

But what if I honestly think that the demographics have already defeated us?

they have, therefore you and I are dirt

407 albusteve  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 5:37:23pm

re: #403 Varek Raith

Nothing solves a problem like blowing the crap out if it™.

yeeehaaa!
NUKE THE FUCKER!

408 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 5:37:26pm

I actually have it favorited:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

409 brookly red  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 5:37:33pm

re: #398 albusteve

well I've read all 45 responses and it's all pretty generic...you can easily figure it out

/well LVQ really is a response program... they added some horny factors to make it more life like :)

410 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 5:38:25pm

re: #402 albusteve

politicians could care less about AGW unless it somehow affects their run for re-election

i think that was #2. it's one of the few things we can control...

411 Eclectic Infidel  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 5:38:31pm

re: #207 LudwigVanQuixote

If you wish to potentiality enrage the sisters with such jokes - go for it... I should warn you though that angry Jewish women are only slight less lethal than enraged cyborg velociraptors with particle beams mounted behind their eyes.

I can attest to that. My ex is Ladino. She once got so angry at me that she left the house for hours on end in order to cool down.

412 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 5:39:58pm

re: #408 Stanley Sea

I actually have it favorited:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

OK thanks, I bookmarked it too.

The problem is that some things are really not feasible. Property values where I live are in the crapper, so I can't sell my 2800 sq. ft. house and afford to move anywhere else except to a homeless shelter.

413 Mr. Crankypants  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 5:40:04pm

re: #403 Varek Raith

Nothing solves a problem like blowing the crap out if it™.

Blowed up real good!

414 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 5:40:10pm

re: #383 albusteve

use curly bulbs...save us

Please don't dismiss compact florescent so cavalierly , Steve. They are quite useful. and they do save you money.

415 brookly red  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 5:41:03pm

re: #411 eclectic infidel

I can attest to that. My ex is Ladino. She once got so angry at me that she left the house for hours on end in order to cool down.

nothing is more of a turn on that having a woman throw plates at you while screaming in a language you don't understand... just saying.

416 albusteve  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 5:41:09pm

re: #410 Aceofwhat?

i think that was #2. it's one of the few things we can control...

really?...show me the beef...
Fedzilla cannot be 'controlled'

417 albusteve  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 5:42:06pm

re: #414 Dark_Falcon

Please don't dismiss compact florescent so cavalierly , Steve. They are quite useful. and they do save you money.

but they won't save the planet

418 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 5:42:51pm

re: #326 Obdicut

"Nuke Free Berkeley" ring any bells?
Hilarious foolishness. I was there, meeting with DTSC people. There were two official signs where I parked. Parking restrictions and nuclear weapons admonitions. Good thing I had a few quarters!

419 brookly red  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 5:43:20pm

re: #416 albusteve

really?...show me the beef...
Fedzilla cannot be 'controlled'

Fedzilla? shit. that may require drastic measures...

420 albusteve  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 5:44:31pm

re: #419 brookly red

Fedzilla? shit. that may require drastic measures...

that's exactly what the TP thinks

421 brookly red  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 5:45:14pm

re: #414 Dark_Falcon

Please don't dismiss compact florescent so cavalierly , Steve. They are quite useful. and they do save you money.

so why do they claim to last 5 years & make maybe a year?

422 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 5:45:25pm

re: #368 Cato the Elder

So, tell me how to check it.

re: #373 Alouette

What is the link to your Page describing what regular, ordinary people like Cato or myself can do, other than run around shrieking "WereallgonnadieOMGOMGOMG"

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

re: #393 Stanley Sea

This is like the 45th time I've seen Ludwig asked that question. And I haven't even been here a year. He's posted the response so many times.

Thank you.

423 Cato the Elder  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 5:45:51pm

re: #383 albusteve

use curly bulbs...save us

Fucking curly bulbs. No one bothered to tell me that they last less long than the regular old bulbs if you stick 'em in a chandelier with a dimmer switch. So last year I replaced all five ordinary bulbs in my dining room with curlies, at the cost of $16.95 each. Almost $90, including tax. Fuckers all dead now. Never again.

424 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 5:45:53pm

re: #418 Rightwingconspirator

"Nuke Free Berkeley" ring any bells?
Hilarious foolishness. I was there, meeting with DTSC people. There were two official signs where I parked. Parking restrictions and nuclear weapons admonitions. Good thing I had a few quarters!

Very foolish, those people. So far around the bend they've lost sight of reality.

425 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 5:45:55pm

Actually, I am going to make that into a page in my miniblog.

426 brookly red  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 5:46:11pm

re: #420 albusteve

that's exactly what the TP thinks

I am down wit da struggle

427 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 5:46:54pm

re: #421 brookly red

so why do they claim to last 5 years & make maybe a year?

I dunno. I only have 1 that is more than a year old and its still going strong.

428 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 5:47:17pm

re: #423 Cato the Elder

Fucking curly bulbs. No one bothered to tell me that they last less long than the regular old bulbs if you stick 'em in a chandelier with a dimmer switch. So last year I replaced all five ordinary bulbs in my dining room with curlies, at the cost of $16.95 each. Almost $90, including tax. Fuckers all dead now. Never again.

So don't put them in a chandelier with a dimmer switch. They are still the best bang for the buck in terms of normal usage. I have some that have lasted coming onto three years now.

429 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 5:47:24pm

re: #419 brookly red

Fedzilla? shit. that may require drastic measures...

Liquid Fuel Thorium Reactors. Spread the gospel.

430 brookly red  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 5:47:25pm

re: #423 Cato the Elder

Fucking curly bulbs. No one bothered to tell me that they last less long than the regular old bulbs if you stick 'em in a chandelier with a dimmer switch. So last year I replaced all five ordinary bulbs in my dining room with curlies, at the cost of $16.95 each. Almost $90, including tax. Fuckers all dead now. Never again.

and you got some mercury to dispose of...

431 Cato the Elder  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 5:47:34pm

Answers and solutions to AGW: snowflakes on a griddle.

432 Varek Raith  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 5:47:43pm

re: #427 Dark_Falcon

I dunno. I only have 1 that is more than a year old and its still going strong.

I have the ones in my "office" last for the past 3 years...

433 Mr. Crankypants  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 5:48:25pm

Besides it's not about saving the planet anyway. The planet will continue to exist and go on. It's about saving ourselves.

434 Stonemason  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 5:49:10pm

re: #433 PT Barnum

Besides it's not about saving the planet anyway. The planet will continue to exist and go on. It's about saving ourselves.

bingo, spot on, exactly.

435 albusteve  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 5:49:13pm

in 35 years the people via the federal govt did nothing about our energy needs and the CO2 problem....just when a window seemed to open Climategate shot down any reasonable progress we might have expected...the world population will simply not pursue economic destruction to cool the planet.....look at our economy now...all the do gooders and hyperbole will not change a thing...we are fucked in that regard....party hearty!

436 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 5:49:24pm

re: #424 Dark_Falcon

It was the proper introduction to the attitude I then faced in the meeting. I was there to educate them on a process. They just did not appreciate my logic. They were just desperate to enforce the law. Really foolish intrusive stuff. If I had my way I'd do away with DTSC (Cal EPA) completely and go back to the far more reasonable Federal EPA for compliance. Crazy. Too long and technical for this forum however.

437 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 5:49:39pm

That Dove World Outreach center is a scam, IIRC, they have some compound where their adherents work for free

438 Ojoe  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 5:50:55pm

re: #299 Rightwingconspirator

Okay I just want to say I find the T-shirts really offensive. That is naked hate.


Technically Islam is a heresy, from a Christian viewpoint.

But many people are hateful toward Muslims.

That is a mistake, and not even Christian.

439 brookly red  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 5:51:28pm

re: #428 LudwigVanQuixote

So don't put them in a chandelier with a dimmer switch. They are still the best bang for the buck in terms of normal usage. I have some that have lasted coming onto three years now.

Note: chandeliers (aka multi bulb fixtures) and dimmers (aka current reducers) are not normal usage... Cato, did you apply for the permit to turn your lights down low?

440 Mr. Crankypants  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 5:51:41pm

re: #434 Stonemason

bingo, spot on, exactly.

BTW, sorry I offended you the other day. Nothing personal, I just don't find much to reccomend car racing in general, so I'm probably not as sensitive to people who enjoy it. I sometimes go for the joke at the expense of niceties or someone's potential offense.

441 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 5:51:52pm

re: #436 Rightwingconspirator

It was the proper introduction to the attitude I then faced in the meeting. I was there to educate them on a process. They just did not appreciate my logic. They were just desperate to enforce the law. Really foolish intrusive stuff. If I had my way I'd do away with DTSC (Cal EPA) completely and go back to the far more reasonable Federal EPA for compliance. Crazy. Too long and technical for this forum however.

When leftists feel a passion to regulate, keep you eyes open and hold on to your wallet.

442 Mr. Crankypants  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 5:52:24pm

re: #437 WindUpBird

That Dove World Outreach center is a scam, IIRC, they have some compound where their adherents work for free

Dove world? What do they do, make soap?

443 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 5:52:27pm

So basically the allegation is that the church tells its followers to work for free, hawking stuff on Ebay: [Link: tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com...]

444 Mocking Jay  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 5:52:44pm

re: #438 Ojoe

Technically Islam is a heresy, from a Christian viewpoint.

But many people are hateful toward Muslims.

That is a mistake, and not even Christian.

Technically, Protestantism is a heresy, from a Catholic viewpoint.

I'm not sure why you brought this up, Joe...

445 albusteve  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 5:53:23pm

re: #423 Cato the Elder

Fucking curly bulbs. No one bothered to tell me that they last less long than the regular old bulbs if you stick 'em in a chandelier with a dimmer switch. So last year I replaced all five ordinary bulbs in my dining room with curlies, at the cost of $16.95 each. Almost $90, including tax. Fuckers all dead now. Never again.

right...it's a fraud
the answer is to make plenty of legit money from 'green' engineering and products...but even so, it's too late for that...there is no way we will not suffer, worse than now by far...but it won't be from AGW, that's a sideshow at this point

446 Cato the Elder  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 5:53:25pm

re: #428 LudwigVanQuixote

So don't put them in a chandelier with a dimmer switch. They are still the best bang for the buck in terms of normal usage. I have some that have lasted coming onto three years now.

Yeah, but the curly-bulb cultists don't tell you this shit. If it was on the package, it was in print far smaller than the typeface used to warn about the mercury.

Ninety bucks down the toilet, all for the love of Gaia, who gives not a shit about me.

447 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 5:53:37pm

re: #441 Dark_Falcon

When leftists feel a passion to regulate, keep you eyes open and hold on to your wallet.

yeah, watch out for that FDA and those safety tests for cars, hold on to those wallets

as for me, I like it when gas tanks just ignite in a collision, I didn't need that dermis anyway

448 Ojoe  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 5:53:38pm

re: #435 albusteve

This economic slowdown, perhaps running its course, will roll back some of the Co2 emissions.

& for most of earth's climate history, it was warmer than now, with no ice at the poles.

So perhaps we are trying to keep an anomaly; that's a hard thing to do.

449 Varek Raith  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 5:53:41pm

re: #438 Ojoe

Technically Islam is a heresy, from a Christian viewpoint.

But many people are hateful toward Muslims.

That is a mistake, and not even Christian.

It's all heresy!

450 jamesfirecat  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 5:53:42pm

re: #441 Dark_Falcon

When leftists feel a passion to regulate, keep you eyes open and hold on to your wallet.

"On the surface, the scientist invests the power of his mind in a single miraculous idea and naturally begins to rise above his fellows. But the parasites say "NO! Discovery must be regulated! It must be controlled and finally surrendered.""

451 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 5:54:13pm

re: #428 LudwigVanQuixote

They have another issue. We all got into the habit of turning off the lights the minute we do not need them. The switching on and off kills the CFL bulb. It then lasts far less time than the average incandescent. Like a kitchen light that is switched many times a day. If you abandon your habit on switching off they last. Its a problem in my photo studio for sure and some of mine cost $75 each!

I imagine there will be technical solution, but it makes sense to leave them on. The footprint of making replacements is a consideration after all.

452 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 5:54:42pm

re: #330 Obdicut

That would be a 'no, I have no clue about anything having to do with California or San Francisco, but it sure doesn't stop me talking about it', then?

lol :D

453 Ojoe  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 5:54:44pm

re: #444 JasonA

To point out that the Dove people are not making the distinction between the people and the religion, probably.

454 Mr. Crankypants  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 5:54:46pm

re: #450 jamesfirecat

"On the surface, the scientist invests the power of his mind in a single miraculous idea and naturally begins to rise above his fellows. But the parasites say "NO! Discovery must be regulated! It must be controlled and finally surrendered.""

upding for the Bioshock ref.

455 Varek Raith  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 5:54:48pm

re: #450 jamesfirecat

"On the surface, the scientist invests the power of his mind in a single miraculous idea and naturally begins to rise above his fellows. But the parasites say "NO! Discovery must be regulated! It must be controlled and finally surrendered.""

Heh.

456 Stonemason  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 5:55:05pm

re: #440 PT Barnum

introduced to me by my father, one of the few things we have in common...no worries.

457 Ojoe  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 5:55:22pm

re: #449 Varek Raith

There's a lot of it LOL.

458 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 5:55:40pm

re: #441 Dark_Falcon

When leftists feel a passion to regulate, keep you eyes open and hold on to your wallet.

"If you have ten thousand regulations, you destroy all respect for the law."

459 Mr. Crankypants  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 5:55:52pm

It's ALL heresy. If God is truly infinite then all religions are essentially about deciding what God isn't rather than what he is.

460 jamesfirecat  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 5:56:20pm

re: #458 Aceofwhat?

"If you have ten thousand regulations, you destroy all respect for the law."

"Lacking its own ingenuity, the Parasite fears the visionary. What it cannot plagiarize, it seeks to censor; what it cannot regulate, it seeks to ban. Rapture was founded on an idea, and here they are held inviolate."

461 Mr. Crankypants  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 5:56:59pm

re: #456 Stonemason

introduced to me by my father, one of the few things we have in common...no worries.

Oh..btw...what do NASCAR and software testing have in common?

Neither's all that interesting until something goes terribly wrong!

Okay..I'll quit pickin' on ya.

462 Ojoe  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 5:57:04pm

re: #451 Rightwingconspirator

Skylights, and light interior colors, and a work schedule that changes with the seasons, are the obvious winners here.

463 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 5:57:41pm

re: #460 jamesfirecat

"Lacking its own ingenuity, the Parasite fears the visionary. What it cannot plagiarize, it seeks to censor; what it cannot regulate, it seeks to ban. Rapture was founded on an idea, and here they are held inviolate."

i know, i know. dude, it wasn't that good of a game...

464 Mr. Crankypants  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 5:57:54pm

re: #462 Ojoe

Skylights, and light interior colors, and a work schedule that changes with the seasons, are the obvious winners here.

Working with the planet rather than against it? How dare you! That means that humans are no longer the pinnacle of creation, controlling the world!

465 Varek Raith  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 5:58:02pm

re: #463 Aceofwhat?

i know, i know. dude, it wasn't that good of a game...

HERETIC!
/

466 Mr. Crankypants  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 5:58:37pm

re: #463 Aceofwhat?

i know, i know. dude, it wasn't that good of a game...

You get the rope! I'll get the tar and feathers!

467 Mr Pancakes  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 5:59:03pm

re: #462 Ojoe

Skylights, and light interior colors, and a work schedule that changes with the seasons, are the obvious winners here.

I was thinking about installing a skylight in the kitchen, but the upstairs neighbor would probably get pissed-off.

468 Ojoe  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 5:59:10pm

re: #464 PT Barnum

Once we finally make the changes, I think that we will probably like them a lot.

469 Stonemason  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 5:59:21pm

re: #448 Ojoe

This economic slowdown, perhaps running its course, will roll back some of the Co2 emissions.

& for most of earth's climate history, it was warmer than now, with no ice at the poles.

So perhaps we are trying to keep an anomaly; that's a hard thing to do.

nooo, you don't get it. 1983, in June I think, was the perfect climate. And besides, it is happening faster now then ever (except for years 1 throough 3.7 billion or so, we only have estimates for them)...

The planet seems to be warming, maybe instead of whining about how it happened we should prepare for the future.

470 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 5:59:24pm

I just can't help but notice that all this technology we make use of every day on these internets, all sitting right down there being developed in California, in that feelthy feelthy den of scheming evul satanic liberalism called the bay area

471 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 5:59:51pm

re: #465 Varek Raith

re: #466 PT Barnum

But i am a true believer...behold, the robes of Dragon Age and the Holy Book of Mass Effect/

472 Varek Raith  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 6:01:02pm

re: #471 Aceofwhat?

re: #466 PT Barnum

But i am a true believer...behold, the robes of Dragon Age and the Holy Book of Mass Effect/


NO.
Image: Sten.png
/

473 Mr. Crankypants  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 6:01:17pm

re: #468 Ojoe

Once we finally make the changes, I think that we will probably like them a lot.

change is only change until we adapt to it. Global Warming is a reality, how it happened doesn't mean a whole lot, but we do need to change some deeply engrained habits if it's not going to get worse.

474 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 6:01:29pm

re: #447 WindUpBird

yeah, watch out for that FDA and those safety tests for cars, hold on to those wallets

as for me, I like it when gas tanks just ignite in a collision, I didn't need that dermis anyway

That is not what I am saying, WUB., RWC was talking about a far-left town where people were itching to enforce a law far more intrusive that the standards of the EPA and, in his knowledgeable opinion, is unneeded. That was context in which I spoke. I was talking about overreach, not normal regulation like car safety tests.

475 prairiefire  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 6:02:18pm

I am so proud of America, no snark, no kidding. I just read a KY couple's ad for a guy, gay couple in a main stream magazine.
Suck it, haters.[Link: www.advocate.com...]

476 Mr. Crankypants  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 6:02:53pm

re: #474 Dark_Falcon

That is not what I am saying, WUB., RWC was talking about a far-left town where people were itching to enforce a law far more intrusive that the standards of the EPA and, in his knowledgeable opinion, is unneeded. That was context in which I spoke. I was talking about overreach, not normal regulation like car safety tests.

The problem is that most corporations define regulatory overreach as anything that prevents them from making more money as opposed to what will provide the best safeguards for the public as a whole.

477 Cheechako  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 6:02:55pm

re: #423 Cato the Elder

Fucking curly bulbs. No one bothered to tell me that they last less long than the regular old bulbs if you stick 'em in a chandelier with a dimmer switch. So last year I replaced all five ordinary bulbs in my dining room with curlies, at the cost of $16.95 each. Almost $90, including tax. Fuckers all dead now. Never again.

I wasn't getting enough light from my curly bulbs so I made some modifications:

Curly Bulbs

478 Ojoe  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 6:03:02pm

re: #467 Mr Pancakes

You can easily drop a 10 inch diameter tubular skylight down thru a 2nd story to illuminate a first level room.

Also there are small heliostats you can get to bounce direct sunlight into windows that don't usually get it.

A domestic heliostat

479 Stonemason  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 6:03:06pm

re: #461 PT Barnum

But that's funny, in a morbid sort of way. NASCAR is like soccer to it's followers, we see the nuances where others see a bunch of billboards going in circles, and like I will never enjoy watching soccer, I understand that many people will never get NASCAR.

480 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 6:03:45pm

The bashing of California, it really just gets real dull and obvious, the same old butthurt tribalistic shit about Berkeley that I've heard a hundred million times, the same old no-thought, no-idea mindlessness

Oh shit, there's some zany liberals at Berkeley, that's totally worth talking about every minute of every day, someone should stop that hippie, a hippie said a thing, go run and get dad!

481 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 6:03:47pm

re: #462 Ojoe

Plus I must add getting "Building and Safety" the hell out of the way of cisterns, well water, solar panels and wind turbines!

482 Cato the Elder  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 6:03:49pm

re: #477 Cheechako

I wasn't getting enough light from my curly bulbs so I made some modifications:

Curly Bulbs

Eek! An eco-friendly electric octopus!

483 jamesfirecat  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 6:04:16pm

re: #466 PT Barnum

You get the rope! I'll get the tar and feathers!

I'll get the diving suit, we'll turn the enemy of Ryan into a Big Daddy!

484 Varek Raith  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 6:04:42pm

re: #482 Cato the Elder

Eek! An eco-friendly electric octopus!

DO NOT GIVE SYFY ANY IDEAS!

485 calochortus  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 6:05:03pm

I can't stand it. No one single thing is going to "save" us. Energy saving bulbs help towards the goal.

CF bulbs generally last us for several years of daily use. You have to get special ones for dimmers or enclosed fixtures. It can be done.

I don't even know where I would go to pay $16 per bulb for a normal CF. They come in inexpensive multi-packs at Home Depot and many other fine retailers. I once picked up a pack of 4 for $2. Yes they contain mercury and should be disposed of properly. But if your incandescent bulbs are powered by coal, the increased amount of coal burned releases more mercury than that in the bulb.

486 Cato the Elder  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 6:05:12pm

re: #480 WindUpBird

The bashing of California, it really just gets real dull and obvious, the same old butthurt tribalistic shit about Berkeley that I've heard a hundred million times, the same old no-thought, no-idea mindlessness

Oh shit, there's some zany liberals at Berkeley, that's totally worth talking about every minute of every day, someone should stop that hippie, a hippie said a thing, go run and get dad!

All the best hippies still live in Baltimore, original home of Frank Zappa, Roger Waters, and Edgar Allen "Freakbeard" Poe.

487 Mr Pancakes  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 6:05:55pm

re: #478 Ojoe

You can easily drop a 10 inch diameter tubular skylight down thru a 2nd story to illuminate a first level room.

Also there are small heliostats you can get to bounce direct sunlight into windows that don't usually get it.

A domestic heliostat

I rent dude........ they won't even allow satellite TV.

488 prairiefire  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 6:06:16pm

re: #486 Cato the Elder

Intellectual hippies. I think the musical hippies are still in Haight.

489 Stonemason  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 6:06:20pm

re: #480 WindUpBird

The bashing of California, it really just gets real dull and obvious, the same old butthurt tribalistic shit about Berkeley that I've heard a hundred million times, the same old no-thought, no-idea mindlessness

Oh shit, there's some zany liberals at Berkeley, that's totally worth talking about every minute of every day, someone should stop that hippie, a hippie said a thing, go run and get dad!

Think about that the next time you make a generalzation...

490 Mr. Crankypants  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 6:06:20pm

re: #479 Stonemason

But that's funny, in a morbid sort of way. NASCAR is like soccer to it's followers, we see the nuances where others see a bunch of billboards going in circles, and like I will never enjoy watching soccer, I understand that many people will never get NASCAR.

Yeah...I can understand that..to me it's like watching paint dry, but I'm not much of a sports person anyway. It all seems so damned pointless. That's why I follow politics instead. Although politics is just sports for fat old white guys.

491 jamesfirecat  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 6:06:26pm

re: #474 Dark_Falcon

That is not what I am saying, WUB., RWC was talking about a far-left town where people were itching to enforce a law far more intrusive that the standards of the EPA and, in his knowledgeable opinion, is unneeded. That was context in which I spoke. I was talking about overreach, not normal regulation like car safety tests.

If so then "When leftists feel a passion to regulate, keep you eyes open and hold on to your wallet." Was a poor way to say it in my opinion.

492 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 6:07:25pm

re: #446 Cato the Elder

, all for the love of Gaia, who gives not a shit about me.

As I have written many times before, there is no parameter in physics for mercy. Mother Nature will kill you dead through nothing other than utterly brutal cause and effect.

493 Ojoe  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 6:07:56pm

re: #481 Rightwingconspirator

But if you don't calculate for the wind loads on the fastener that hold the solar panels to the roof, a storm will rip them all off.

So you do need some regulations.

& if you don't enforce them, the fly-by-night operators will ruin the reputation of roof top photovoltaics.

494 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 6:08:13pm

I just posted a somewhat expanded ten things you can do to stop AGW in my miniblog.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

495 Mr. Crankypants  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 6:08:38pm

re: #492 LudwigVanQuixote

Life ain't the movies. Ain't no script prewritten.

496 Ojoe  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 6:08:41pm

re: #493 Ojoe

Fasteners plural

PIMF

497 Cato the Elder  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 6:08:48pm

Oh, my name it is Frank Dow, it is Frank Dow.
I set out on a scow, on a scow.
I set out on a scow, but soon landed on a dhow.
I landed on a dhow, saints allow!

498 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 6:08:52pm

re: #480 WindUpBird

The bashing of California, it really just gets real dull and obvious, the same old butthurt tribalistic shit about Berkeley that I've heard a hundred million times, the same old no-thought, no-idea mindlessness

Oh shit, there's some zany liberals at Berkeley, that's totally worth talking about every minute of every day, someone should stop that hippie, a hippie said a thing, go run and get dad!

WindUpBird Rhetorical Trick #1: When conservatives point to a case of obvious liberal overreach, ascribe their concerns to "tribalism" and dismiss them accordingly.

499 Mr. Crankypants  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 6:09:05pm

re: #495 PT Barnum

Life ain't the movies. Ain't no script prewritten.

Life: Some Assembly Required. No Instructions.

500 Ojoe  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 6:09:26pm

re: #487 Mr Pancakes

Bummer!

BBL

501 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 6:09:37pm

re: #451 Rightwingconspirator

They have another issue. We all got into the habit of turning off the lights the minute we do not need them. The switching on and off kills the CFL bulb. It then lasts far less time than the average incandescent. Like a kitchen light that is switched many times a day. If you abandon your habit on switching off they last. Its a problem in my photo studio for sure and some of mine cost $75 each!

I imagine there will be technical solution, but it makes sense to leave them on. The footprint of making replacements is a consideration after all.

I have not had that problem with them.

502 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 6:09:37pm

re: #491 jamesfirecat

If so then "When leftists feel a passion to regulate, keep you eyes open and hold on to your wallet." Was a poor way to say it in my opinion.

So noted. How would you have put it?

503 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 6:10:21pm

re: #485 calochortus

But if your incandescent bulbs are powered by coal, the increased amount of coal burned releases more mercury than that in the bulb.

Odd thing to say. I'm not worried about my kids ingesting mercury from a coal plant. Acknowledging the legitimacy of a drawback is the best policy. Don't let kids anywhere near these bulbs. Fortunately, they can still be installed safely in certain parts of the house.

504 Mr. Crankypants  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 6:11:13pm

re: #502 Dark_Falcon

So noted. How would you have put it?

Could just as easily said "When Conservatives get an urge to deregulate, keep your eyes open and hold on to your wallet."

You are either going to take it in the shorts from people who are trying to protect you or people who just don't give a shit if it means they can make more money. I'd prefer the former.

505 jamesfirecat  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 6:12:22pm

re: #502 Dark_Falcon

So noted. How would you have put it?

Before creating new regulatory measures, always make sure to always measure and determine if the amount of protection they bring us are worth the cost of enforcing said regulations.

506 Cato the Elder  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 6:13:22pm

C'mon, a bit of extra mercury ingested for the sake of the planet! Don't be such wusses.

507 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 6:13:27pm

re: #504 PT Barnum

Could just as easily said "When Conservatives get an urge to deregulate, keep your eyes open and hold on to your wallet."

You are either going to take it in the shorts from people who are trying to protect you or people who just don't give a shit if it means they can make more money. I'd prefer the former.

I prefer the latter. An asshole who wants money is at least fairly predictable and can be influenced by use of power and money. Altruists are not nearly as predictable or controllable.

508 Mr. Crankypants  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 6:13:58pm

re: #505 jamesfirecat

Before creating new regulatory measures, always make sure to always measure and determine if the amount of protection they bring us are worth the cost of enforcing said regulations.

Well said! Risk vs. reward for society as a whole. Some risk is inevitable, but the goal should be to limit the consequences of risk to those engaging in it, not to socialize them to society as a whole.

509 albusteve  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 6:14:25pm

re: #506 Cato the Elder

C'mon, a bit of extra mercury ingested for the sake of the planet! Don't be such wusses.

take one for the Team!

510 Cato the Elder  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 6:14:30pm

re: #492 LudwigVanQuixote

As I have written many times before, there is no parameter in physics for mercy. Mother Nature will kill you dead through nothing other than utterly brutal cause and effect.

Yes, and I fuck Mother Nature in the hinderparts every chance I get, for that very reason.

511 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 6:14:46pm

re: #505 jamesfirecat

Before creating new regulatory measures, always make sure to always measure and determine if the amount of protection they bring us are worth the cost of enforcing said regulations.

That's a good way of putting it. I admit mine was set up the way it was so it could serve as a slogan, and slogans aren't the best arguments.

512 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 6:14:55pm

re: #507 Dark_Falcon

I prefer the latter. An asshole who wants money is at least fairly predictable and can be influenced by use of power and money. Altruists are not nearly as predictable or controllable.

BP, Massey Coal. We knew this was going to happen, it was predictable.

513 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 6:16:16pm

re: #491 jamesfirecat

If so then "When leftists feel a passion to regulate, keep you eyes open and hold on to your wallet." Was a poor way to say it in my opinion.

you really don't want us to start to parse posts more closely. just sayin'.

514 Mr. Crankypants  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 6:16:57pm

re: #512 Stanley Sea

BP, Massey Coal. We knew this was going to happen, it was predictable.

Those would be exactly the examples I would use. BP and Massey both engaged in risky behavior to increase their profits. That risky behavior will impact more than just BP and Massey Coal.

515 albusteve  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 6:17:07pm

in the Aftermath, these guys will still be rockin...

Youtube Video
516 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 6:17:15pm

re: #512 Stanley Sea

BP, Massey Coal. We knew this was going to happen, it was predictable.

Again, the good news is that organizations like BP can be made to respond to disincentives to get them to understand this must not recur. Remember, I'm making an argument against overregulation, not against all regulation.

517 Cato the Elder  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 6:18:17pm

Main answer to AGW: humans must educate themselves.

Like John Lennon, I just larf.

518 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 6:18:25pm

re: #507 Dark_Falcon

I prefer the latter. An asshole who wants money is at least fairly predictable and can be influenced by use of power and money. Altruists are not nearly as predictable or controllable.

“Virtue is more to be feared than vice, because its excesses are not subject to the regulation of conscience.”

adam smith

519 Mr. Crankypants  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 6:18:32pm

re: #516 Dark_Falcon

Again, the good news is that organizations like BP can be made to respond to disincentives to get them to understand this must not recur. Remember, I'm making an argument against overregulation, not against all regulation.

Defining overregulation is damned difficult, as some will seek to eliminate all risk, while others are willing to take more risk in hopes of gaining a greater reward. I suspect that like most things, the answer is somewhere in the middle, though where is a matter for some analysis.

520 jamesfirecat  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 6:18:35pm

re: #511 Dark_Falcon

That's a good way of putting it. I admit mine was set up the way it was so it could serve as a slogan, and slogans aren't the best arguments.

Not only that, but it also argues that Democrats/Liberals are the only one who bring about over reaching regulation.

How would you feel if I said

"When right wingers feel a passion to regulate, keep you eyes open and check your bedroom for cameras to make sure they can't catch you and your wife doing anal...."


Not as catchy of course, and a more limited example, but the point still stands....

521 calochortus  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 6:19:18pm

re: #501 LudwigVanQuixote

Mythbusters did a bit on lightbulbs and as I recall found that incandescents and CFs weren't all that different in length of life (around 5 years) with the same number of on/offs.

I wouldn't want broken glass near kids regardless of what kind of bulb it came from. In my youth we used to play with mercury occasionally (with adult supervision of course.) Its not that toxic with low levels of exposure.

522 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 6:20:03pm

re: #517 Cato the Elder

Main answer to AGW: humans must educate themselves.

Like John Lennon, I just larf.

Embrace the science, extend the apathy.

523 Mr. Crankypants  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 6:20:03pm

re: #520 jamesfirecat

Not only that, but it also argues that Democrats/Liberals are the only one who bring about over reaching regulation.

How would you feel if I said

"When right wingers feel a passion to regulate, keep you eyes open and check your bedroom for cameras to make sure they can't catch you and your wife doing anal..."

Not as catchy of course, and a more limited example, but the point still stands...

The two end up being yin/yang

Progressives want to regulate commerce and deregulate private behavior.

Conservatives want to deregulate commerce and regulate private behavior.

524 Mocking Jay  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 6:20:38pm

re: #516 Dark_Falcon

Again, the good news is that organizations like BP can be made to respond to disincentives to get them to understand this must not recur. Remember, I'm making an argument against overregulation, not against all regulation.

Too bad we can't say the same about the banking industry.

525 Stonemason  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 6:20:38pm

re: #515 albusteve

closer to where the thread has gone?

Youtube Video
526 jamesfirecat  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 6:20:46pm

re: #521 calochortus

Mythbusters did a bit on lightbulbs and as I recall found that incandescents and CFs weren't all that different in length of life (around 5 years) with the same number of on/offs.

I wouldn't want broken glass near kids regardless of what kind of bulb it came from. In my youth we used to play with mercury occasionally (with adult supervision of course.) Its not that toxic with low levels of exposure.

But with high levels you turn into a Batman villain.

And that's a reference that I bet nobody will be able to connect the dots to get....

527 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 6:21:04pm

re: #510 Cato the Elder

Yes, and I fuck Mother Nature in the hinderparts every chance I get, for that very reason.

Which I am certain entertains you as a fantasy. The reality is that mother nature is a silly concept from our pagan past.

She is not some maternal hippy woman with flowers in her hair and a loving disposition. Reality is simple cause and effect.

Step in front of a moving train, momentum is conserved, get splattered.

Stop eating for a few weeks, energy is conserved, entropy wins, you perish.

No fresh water - entropy wins even more quickly.

Dump huge amounts of CO2 into the atmosphere without turning off the sun, energy is conserved. The Earth cooks, and humans don't get enough food and water as coast lines disappear, crops fail and wars are fought over diminishing resources.

There is no mercy in physics. You can not beg forgiveness from the equations. They don't care and are utterly equal opportunity killers.

528 calochortus  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 6:22:17pm

re: #480 WindUpBird

I disagree. Please bash California. Especially the Bay Area. Way too many people want to live here and housing prices are appalling. Young families have such a huge struggle to get into the market. If the rest of the country realizes how awful it is here, maybe people won't move here.
//

529 Mr. Crankypants  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 6:22:30pm

re: #527 LudwigVanQuixote


There is no mercy in physics. You can not beg forgiveness from the equations. They don't care and are utterly equal opportunity killers.

SHould be on a t-shirt. Reality: the equations don't care.

530 Eclectic Infidel  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 6:23:10pm

re: #480 WindUpBird

The bashing of California, it really just gets real dull and obvious, the same old butthurt tribalistic shit about Berkeley that I've heard a hundred million times, the same old no-thought, no-idea mindlessness

Oh shit, there's some zany liberals at Berkeley, that's totally worth talking about every minute of every day, someone should stop that hippie, a hippie said a thing, go run and get dad!

I don't care what the haters have to say about Berkeley, I really like that town. It has a plethora of good cafes, affordable sushi houses, beautiful neighborhoods, cool retail stores, is home to Cheeseboard Pizza, the How Berkeley Can You Be Parade, and has lovely weather in the summer. Sure it's home to moonbats, Jew haters, Commies of every flavor, and punitive rent control laws, but I don't hang with those cretins and I'm not an income property owner either. I take the good with the bad and leave it at that.

531 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 6:23:42pm

re: #521 calochortus

Mythbusters did a bit on lightbulbs and as I recall found that incandescents and CFs weren't all that different in length of life (around 5 years) with the same number of on/offs.

I wouldn't want broken glass near kids regardless of what kind of bulb it came from. In my youth we used to play with mercury occasionally (with adult supervision of course.) Its not that toxic with low levels of exposure.

Well there you have it. If they have the same lifespan for the same number of clicks, then Cato just got unlucky or has whatever bad wiring - or simply got a bad batch of bulbs.

One thing that is certain though is that the curly bulbs produce more light than incandescents for roughly 1/3 of the power consumption.

532 Stonemason  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 6:24:29pm

re: #527 LudwigVanQuixote

But it is still not the planet that you (and others) are trying to save, it is your (and others) version of how humans should live. Or, really, just trying to save humans...from themselves...on a much grander scale than the regulations being bandied about on this thread.

Humans will adapt to whatever comes, we have so far.

533 albusteve  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 6:24:57pm

re: #525 Stonemason

closer to where the thread has gone?


[Video]

re: #525 Stonemason

closer to where the thread has gone?


[Video]

cool vid, thanks

534 calochortus  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 6:25:18pm

re: #531 LudwigVanQuixote

Well there you have it. If they have the same lifespan for the same number of clicks, then Cato just got unlucky or has whatever bad wiring - or simply got a bad batch of bulbs.

One thing that is certain though is that the curly bulbs produce more light than incandescents for roughly 1/3 of the power consumption.

I think he used them with a dimmer. Shortens their life dramatically, as does a fully enclosed light fixture (ask me how I know that one...)

535 Mocking Jay  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 6:25:21pm

re: #532 Stonemason

Humans will adapt to whatever comes, we have so far.

Past performance is not indicative of future success.

536 jamesfirecat  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 6:25:36pm

re: #532 Stonemason

But it is still not the planet that you (and others) are trying to save, it is your (and others) version of how humans should live. Or, really, just trying to save humans...from themselves...on a much grander scale than the regulations being bandied about on this thread.

Humans will adapt to whatever comes, we have so far.

Yes, but I'd rather my children have to adapt to driving electric cars and paying more for lightbulbs, than have to adapt to living in tents because civilization has collapsed....

537 calochortus  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 6:26:41pm

re: #532 Stonemason

But it is still not the planet that you (and others) are trying to save, it is your (and others) version of how humans should live. Or, really, just trying to save humans...from themselves...on a much grander scale than the regulations being bandied about on this thread.

Humans will adapt to whatever comes, we have so far.

Humans as a species are likely to survive. Individuals, not necessarily. Humanity survived the bubonic plague, but it was really hard on people individually and society in general.

538 Mocking Jay  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 6:27:04pm

re: #536 jamesfirecat

Yes, but I'd rather my children have to adapt to driving electric cars and paying more for lightbulbs, than have to adapt to living in tents because civilization has collapsed...

Ever see the Futurama episode where they go to LA? That was awesome...

539 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 6:27:09pm

re: #476 PT Barnum

I'm not a corporation. Nor a wingnut. If any of the offended progressives here wants an explanation of what I hinted at I can do that. I can even show in my pages where good intentions went wrong, as in conflict gold regulations.

I am getting a bit fatiged with reasonable points being conflated with the hated wingnuts. It's not accurate, nor necessary, nor helpful to the discussion.

540 jamesfirecat  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 6:27:54pm

re: #538 JasonA

Ever see the Futurama episode where they go to LA? That was awesome...

Is that the same one where Fry thaws out his old girlfriend?

"Wow that probeulator knows how to treat a man!"

541 Mocking Jay  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 6:29:04pm

re: #540 jamesfirecat

Is that the same one where Fry thaws out his old girlfriend?

"Wow that probeulator knows how to treat a man!"

That's the one. Where Bender scares everyone as they come out of cryo.

542 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 6:29:27pm

re: #493 Ojoe

They have not developed the standards, so the word at this time is NO. As in No Permit.

543 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 6:29:27pm

re: #532 Stonemason

But it is still not the planet that you (and others) are trying to save,

You are right. I am trying to save people and out civilization. I value America and American lives for instance. On the road we are on now, America will lose its coastal cities to rising seas. It will lose its farms to droughts and heat waves. In fact we are looking at a 75-95% reduction in all of our major crops across the US. Those in the South West will have no water to drink. Contagion will spread, and we really are nine meals from anarchy. The nation as we know it will cease to exist by 2100 on the road we are currently on.

it is your (and others) version of how humans should live.

Yes, humans should live responsibly and not do things that will destry their nation and ruin the lives of their children. The principle of don't shit where you live or eat is something that even dogs understand.

Or, really, just trying to save humans...from themselves...on a much grander scale than the regulations being bandied about on this thread.

Yes indeed. I do not believe that human freedoms extend to the rights of others to murder my children and destroy my nation because they were so stupid they believed in Fox News.

Humans will adapt to whatever comes, we have so far.

544 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 6:29:40pm

re: #527 LudwigVanQuixote

Hello, you!
*smooch*

545 albusteve  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 6:29:44pm

re: #530 eclectic infidel

I don't care what the haters have to say about Berkeley, I really like that town. It has a plethora of good cafes, affordable sushi houses, beautiful neighborhoods, cool retail stores, is home to Cheeseboard Pizza, the How Berkeley Can You Be Parade, and has lovely weather in the summer. Sure it's home to moonbats, Jew haters, Commies of every flavor, and punitive rent control laws, but I don't hang with those cretins and I'm not an income property owner either. I take the good with the bad and leave it at that.

well said

546 Only The Lurker Knows  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 6:29:55pm

Well Lizards It's time to call it a day.

May tomorrow find you well.

G'night.

547 prairiefire  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 6:30:29pm

re: #539 Rightwingconspirator

Agreed. Too much conflation is the easy way out. It does not build towards a solution.

548 Mocking Jay  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 6:31:14pm

We really have to ask ourselves... do we deserve to survive?
To illustrate my point I'll submit the following: Justin Bieber.

And with that I'll BBL.

549 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 6:31:48pm

re: #544 Floral Giraffe

Hello, you!
*smooch*

Watch out, FG. He's been talking to Albusteve and Cato, so he's liable to get out the electro-lash tonight. :D

550 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 6:32:21pm

re: #549 Dark_Falcon

Mmmm.
Could be fun!

LOL!

How's the new job going?

551 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 6:32:35pm

re: #493 Ojoe

I forgot to mention that if the installation is guaranteed against failure, the installer will use all the right parts. Why risk the loss?

552 freetoken  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 6:33:04pm

Today briefly, very briefly, turned on local talker and former (and disgraced) mayor Roger Hedgecock and he was in full-froth mode over the judge's decision about throwing out the important parts of the AZ law.

The right-wing machine is livid, really livid. This (anti-immigration movement) is their baby and their going to ride it all the way to the end.

553 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 6:33:12pm

PIMF...

Humans will adapt to whatever comes, we have so far.

That is overly optimistic nonsense.

You can not adapt to hammer blows to the head. You will die from them. It is much better to avert a catastrophe - and even make a profit doing it - Like Denmark and Germany are doing through their own depoyed and functional green initiatives - than it is to assume you can clean up the mess.

The entire world scientific community is telling you that no, we will not just adapt. There is no technology even imagined that will turn back the tipping points once we cross them.

We will not fix it.

Sometimes life is like that and people like you need to stop snorting libertarian pixie dust which dims the intellect as surely as sniffing other powders.

Wake up and face reality.

554 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 6:33:27pm

re: #544 Floral Giraffe

Hello, you!
*smooch*

Hey baby!

555 RogueOne  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 6:33:33pm

re: #522 goddamnedfrank

Embrace the science, extend the apathy.

Hell On Earth
Big D and The Kids Table

Youtube Video
556 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 6:34:44pm

Okay this conservative native California bashing Lizard needs a break. To smoke a joint.

Be Back Soon.

557 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 6:34:48pm

re: #548 JasonA

We really have to ask ourselves... do we deserve to survive?
To illustrate my point I'll submit the following: Justin Bieber.

And with that I'll BBL.

eh. the tween cirque du jour isn't a comment on society, it's a phenomenon of nature, like monarch migration. just let the flighty things pass and continue about your business/

558 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 6:35:35pm

re: #556 Rightwingconspirator

Okay this conservative native California bashing Lizard needs a break. To smoke a joint.

Be Back Soon.

Buckley would be proud...

559 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 6:35:50pm

re: #492 LudwigVanQuixote

As I have written many times before, there is no parameter in physics for mercy. Mother Nature will kill you dead through nothing other than utterly brutal cause and effect.

"Mother" nature doesn't give a hoot about you or me.
She has her own laws.
Mercy is not a real concept in nature.

560 RogueOne  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 6:35:55pm

re: #480 WindUpBird

The bashing of California, it really just gets real dull and obvious, the same old butthurt tribalistic shit about Berkeley that I've heard a hundred million times, the same old no-thought, no-idea mindlessness

Oh shit, there's some zany liberals at Berkeley, that's totally worth talking about every minute of every day, someone should stop that hippie, a hippie said a thing, go run and get dad!

When I was a kid my uncle dressed me as a rioting berkley hippie which is only funny because we lived in Detroit where people made it a habit of trying to burn the city down the night before every halloween.

561 Stonemason  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 6:36:09pm

re: #536 jamesfirecat

Yes, but I'd rather my children have to adapt to driving electric cars and paying more for lightbulbs, than have to adapt to living in tents because civilization has collapsed...

Why? Seriuosly, why? I guarantee that in 100 years (give or take) those things you mention will be 'killing us all' and something new will be the grand fix.

For instance, if all the humans alive right now lived as you want your kids to live, with curly bulbs and electric cars, the CO2 emissions would dwarf what we have. There are many more people living in 'tents' (shacks, huts) then you can imagine, poverty is not welfare and food stamps to them, poverty is one meal a day, maybe, and no clean water NOW, not in some maybe future.

562 Gus  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 6:36:30pm

Damn. My Safeway was too cold. Talk about AC overkill.

563 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 6:36:52pm

re: #550 Floral Giraffe

Mmmm.
Could be fun!

LOL!

How's the new job going?

It goes well. Barring a serious problem, I'm going to be first in my training class in terms of sales in this, our first month with the company. The managers are satisfied with my performance, and I expect a least one more sale before Friday. Works goes well.

564 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 6:36:56pm

re: #560 RogueOne

Did you get out of jail, OK?

565 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 6:37:37pm

re: #563 Dark_Falcon

Congratulations, I expect nothing but the best from you!
*smooch*

566 Romantic Heretic  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 6:38:35pm

As far as The Dove World Outrage, I mean Outreach, Centre is concerned, Hell is pleased with them.

567 jamesfirecat  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 6:40:08pm

re: #561 Stonemason

Why? Seriuosly, why? I guarantee that in 100 years (give or take) those things you mention will be 'killing us all' and something new will be the grand fix.

For instance, if all the humans alive right now lived as you want your kids to live, with curly bulbs and electric cars, the CO2 emissions would dwarf what we have. There are many more people living in 'tents' (shacks, huts) then you can imagine, poverty is not welfare and food stamps to them, poverty is one meal a day, maybe, and no clean water NOW, not in some maybe future.

So suddenly we go from me talking about how I'd rather my children adapt to living an environmentally friendly way than having global warming cause human civilization to collapse, and you suddenly make it about how there are poor people out there right now?

Umm.... okay..........

568 prairiefire  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 6:40:20pm

re: #552 freetoken

Roger Hegecock does not have a radio voice. Our local right wing radio was saying well, "if the Republican base has become complacent, they should be energized now."

569 darthstar  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 6:40:26pm

Hm...just got an email set to the manager's group...I wasn't a member of that group yesterday. I think I may be having a change of title soon. :) (it was a pre-condition of my taking this job last year...so I'm kind of happy it's coming to be soon).

570 prairiefire  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 6:42:35pm

re: #569 darthstar

Congratulations. Tomorrow, someone will call you aside and say "Well, uhh, someone was supposed to say something, uhh, did you see that? Well, uhh, congratulations."

571 Cato the Elder  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 6:43:29pm

re: #527 LudwigVanQuixote

Which I am certain entertains you as a fantasy. The reality is that mother nature is a silly concept from our pagan past.

She is not some maternal hippy woman with flowers in her hair and a loving disposition. Reality is simple cause and effect.

Step in front of a moving train, momentum is conserved, get splattered.

Stop eating for a few weeks, energy is conserved, entropy wins, you perish.

No fresh water - entropy wins even more quickly.

A beer drought - now that would be scary.

Dump huge amounts of CO2 into the atmosphere without turning off the sun, energy is conserved. The Earth cooks, and humans don't get enough food and water as coast lines disappear, crops fail and wars are fought over diminishing resources.

There is no mercy in physics. You can not beg forgiveness from the equations. They don't care and are utterly equal opportunity killers.

ego, poeta Americanus, in oculem naturae exspuo

572 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 6:43:37pm

re: #569 darthstar

Hm...just got an email set to the manager's group...I wasn't a member of that group yesterday. I think I may be having a change of title soon. :) (it was a pre-condition of my taking this job last year...so I'm kind of happy it's coming to be soon).

God bless the inexact science of HR administration;)

573 albusteve  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 6:44:10pm

re: #569 darthstar

Hm...just got an email set to the manager's group...I wasn't a member of that group yesterday. I think I may be having a change of title soon. :) (it was a pre-condition of my taking this job last year...so I'm kind of happy it's coming to be soon).

working is so yesteryear....
who works?

574 darthstar  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 6:44:22pm

re: #570 prairiefire

Congratulations. Tomorrow, someone will call you aside and say "Well, uhh, someone was supposed to say something, uhh, did you see that? Well, uhh, congratulations."

My boss changed my weekly 1/2 hour meeting to a 90 minute lunch for Monday, so I suspect he'll make it official then when he returns to town. I'm already doing the work, but I'm looking forward to the salary bump that will come with this.

575 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 6:45:34pm

re: #561 Stonemason

Why? Seriuosly, why? I guarantee that in 100 years (give or take) those things you mention will be 'killing us all' and something new will be the grand fix.

So you are saying - do not even try to avert this catastrophe because there will will be some other one in the future that we have to contend with... That is asinine on the face of it. It is like saying you should not put a loaded gun in your mouth and pull the trigger, because in the future you might get cancer.

This is one of the more significantly stupid sentiments I have seen posted here.

Cause and effect is real. Look at the science and understand what lost crops, clean water and coastal cities will do to this nation - not to mention swarms of refugees from places from Mexico when their nation is rendered nearly uninhabitable.

For instance, if all the humans alive right now lived as you want your kids to live, with curly bulbs and electric cars, the CO2 emissions would dwarf what we have.

That is utter bullshit that you just made up. Even if you had a point - no one is saying that curly bulbs are the only answer or a magic bullet. Your strawman isn't even applicable - let alone relevant.

There are many more people living in 'tents' (shacks, huts) then you can imagine, poverty is not welfare and food stamps to them, poverty is one meal a day, maybe, and no clean water NOW, not in some maybe future.

And the numbers of people in those sorts of conditions will rise by the millions in America and billions world wide if we do not change course. That is the science.

576 darthstar  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 6:45:40pm

re: #573 albusteve

working is so yesteryear...
who works?

The downside is I won't be able to spend as much time lounging with the lizards.

577 Cato the Elder  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 6:45:46pm

re: #553 LudwigVanQuixote

Wake up and face reality.

And realize that there ain't fuck-all you can do about it.

578 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 6:46:16pm

re: #573 albusteve

working is so yesteryear...
who works?

Me.

579 RogueOne  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 6:46:18pm

re: #564 Floral Giraffe

Yes. I was just working. I mentioned I got to see them shoot the guy with the bean bag gun. I talked to the guard afterwards and they said he was ready for them. He had plastic over his face so they couldn't gas him and he was using the mattress as a shield against the bean bag. He still got hit though.

One of the guards told me a few years ago they were having a training session and one of the Lt's was demonstrating with what he thought was a dummy tear gas canister. It was labeled as a training aid but when he pulled the pin they realized it was an active cs canister. They were in one of the cell blocks where they have these big ass air handlers and the air was spread all throughout the jail. They had to evacuate most of the inmates into a new jail they were building next door until they could get it cleared out.

580 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 6:46:47pm

re: #577 Cato the Elder

And realize that there ain't fuck-all you can do about it.

Or read the ten things you can do. Number ten is particularly pointed at you ;)

581 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 6:47:05pm

re: #501 LudwigVanQuixote

I can only suggest you compare a cfl that is switched a few times a day to the same model switched a few times an hour. My best/worst example- I use a CFL "softbox'. Diffuse light generator. Ordinary bulbs? 500 watts. Single unit with triple bulb CFL? 75 watts. But If I switch it off and on like an incandescent setup it dies in a few months, maybe 6. Leave it on for the whole session (usually a few hours at a time) and I get a year or more. Of course I had 2 motives to shut off incandescent-heat and cost. CFL? Cool, cheap and really accurate color temperature, critical in my gem stone work.

582 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 6:47:12pm

re: #573 albusteve

working is so yesteryear...
who works?

People who need a salary, for starters....

583 Digital Display  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 6:49:03pm

Good evening Lizards!
Hope everyone is well...In Nov. for the first time in History Oklahoma will have a Woman Governor...
The days here are long and I'm exhausted today...Thursday will truly be hell.. I figure an 18 hour day....
I'm punchy..Anybody wanna fight? *wink*

584 Stonemason  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 6:49:11pm

re: #553 LudwigVanQuixote

You don't get my point, that's okay, I wasn't clear.

I don't care about who caused it, or, how it happened, or, if it can be stopped. Based on you posts, it can't be, so, learn how to deal with it now.

On a personal note, you are the doom-sayer here, the raving end-times dude, that's fine, doesn't bother me like it bothers others, run with it.

Humans will adapt, and no, that is not overly optimistic, we will adapt. We in the industrial world will continue to lower our birthrates while those in poverty will soon follow, out of necessity. Societies will change, yup, they always have, is it the change we fear?

Clean water? There needs to be some confirmation on that one, need a link; if the inland glaciers melt, inland lakes will turn over quicker, and aquifers will replenish faster. If you are referring to waste contaminating fresh water, we deal with that now, and do it very well, we will only get better.

This issue is so much like a religion...the world will end for humans in some future unless humans do X. If humans refuse to do X, they are 'sinners', if they do not believe, they are 'sinners'.

In my lifetime the 'end times' have had three incarnations due to three different things, this third one (Climate Change, as opposed to the '90's Global Warming, where the end was 2005 or so) might actually be real, wouldn't that be something?

Once again, don't get too worked up about my responses, I am just pointing out that y'all are not trying to save the planet, just your version of how humans should live, which, by the way, isn't everyone's version.

585 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 6:49:41pm

re: #583 HoosierHoops

Good evening Lizards!
Hope everyone is well...In Nov. for the first time in History Oklahoma will have a Woman Governor...
The days here are long and I'm exhausted today...Thursday will truly be hell.. I figure an 18 hour day...
I'm punchy..Anybody wanna fight? *wink*

*smack*
Gently, though...
Hi Hoops!

586 prairiefire  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 6:50:16pm

re: #574 darthstar

Oh, yes, the 90 minute lunch. Have a great weekend!

587 Digital Display  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 6:50:25pm

re: #585 Floral Giraffe

*smack*
Gently, though...
Hi Hoops!

Hi cutie! How goes everything?

588 jamesfirecat  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 6:50:32pm

re: #584 Stonemason

You don't get my point, that's okay, I wasn't clear.

I don't care about who caused it, or, how it happened, or, if it can be stopped. Based on you posts, it can't be, so, learn how to deal with it now.

On a personal note, you are the doom-sayer here, the raving end-times dude, that's fine, doesn't bother me like it bothers others, run with it.

Humans will adapt, and no, that is not overly optimistic, we will adapt. We in the industrial world will continue to lower our birthrates while those in poverty will soon follow, out of necessity. Societies will change, yup, they always have, is it the change we fear?

Clean water? There needs to be some confirmation on that one, need a link; if the inland glaciers melt, inland lakes will turn over quicker, and aquifers will replenish faster. If you are referring to waste contaminating fresh water, we deal with that now, and do it very well, we will only get better.

This issue is so much like a religion...the world will end for humans in some future unless humans do X. If humans refuse to do X, they are 'sinners', if they do not believe, they are 'sinners'.

In my lifetime the 'end times' have had three incarnations due to three different things, this third one (Climate Change, as opposed to the '90's Global Warming, where the end was 2005 or so) might actually be real, wouldn't that be something?

Once again, don't get too worked up about my responses, I am just pointing out that y'all are not trying to save the planet, just your version of how humans should live, which, by the way, isn't everyone's version.

LVQ, I just failed my fortitude check, can you handle this?

589 albusteve  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 6:51:10pm

re: #576 darthstar

The downside is I won't be able to spend as much time lounging with the lizards.

actually, I'm happy for you...
I don't have a family to support...but I delivered at the time
and remember...cash rules

590 engineer cat  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 6:51:12pm

re: #530 eclectic infidel

I don't care what the haters have to say about Berkeley, I really like that town. It has a plethora of good cafes, affordable sushi houses, beautiful neighborhoods, cool retail stores, is home to Cheeseboard Pizza, the How Berkeley Can You Be Parade, and has lovely weather in the summer. Sure it's home to moonbats, Jew haters, Commies of every flavor, and punitive rent control laws, but I don't hang with those cretins and I'm not an income property owner either. I take the good with the bad and leave it at that.

the popular notion that leon trotsky and alexandr baukunin are alive and well and running berkeley is slightly overrated

actually, being a property owner in the bay area my impression of berkeley is formed more from the berkeley bowl and whole (paycheck) foods, which give the impression of a community of successful high income sybarites disporting themselves in a museum of exotic foodstuffs. and then there are a few overreaching municipal regulations and the odd street hippie...

591 freetoken  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 6:51:19pm

re: #561 Stonemason

Why? Seriuosly, why? I guarantee that in 100 years (give or take) those things you mention will be 'killing us all' and something new will be the grand fix.

Well, you threw that out there rather flippantly.

You are in no position to guarantee anything about 100 years from now.

592 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 6:51:25pm

re: #584 Stonemason

Watch out for that 2012 Mayan thing. OK?
///

593 RogueOne  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 6:51:27pm

re: #583 HoosierHoops

...In Nov. for the first time in History Oklahoma will have a Woman Governor...

See what happens when you let them vote?

Hi Hoops!

594 freetoken  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 6:52:14pm

BTW, put up a new Pages entry on a piece of research just published, that piles onto the doomer-view.

595 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 6:52:36pm

re: #582 Floral Giraffe

People who need a salary, for starters...

Image: Troll_nicht_fuettern_gruen.png

597 Stonemason  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 6:53:33pm

re: #567 jamesfirecat

no, not really, sorry for the poor semantics of my post. My point has been, and will be, that those things we find 'necessary' for life are not, they are the things that make life easier.

you make it sound like humans need the things you mentioned to survive, we don't. Humans will survive climate change.

598 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 6:53:40pm

re: #542 Rightwingconspirator

Hey, congratulations are in order, I hear!

599 freetoken  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 6:54:36pm

re: #596 Killgore Trout

Attention Bigots: There Is Already a Mosque Near the WTC Site
Outrageous!

SO WHY DO THEY NEED ANOTHER ONE!!

Heh, get ready for it.

600 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 6:56:02pm

re: #599 freetoken

SO WHY DO THEY NEED ANOTHER ONE!!

Heh, get ready for it.

I can hear Newt warming up the bulldozer.

601 jamesfirecat  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 6:56:27pm

re: #597 Stonemason

no, not really, sorry for the poor semantics of my post. My point has been, and will be, that those things we find 'necessary' for life are not, they are the things that make life easier.

you make it sound like humans need the things you mentioned to survive, we don't. Humans will survive climate change.

Maybe so.

But I think that its not too late to change the course of things. I want to preserve as many of those nice things that I don't need for my children as possible.

I want their future to look like Back to the Future II not Mad Max....

602 albusteve  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 6:56:38pm

re: #600 Killgore Trout

I can hear Newt warming up the bulldozer.

LOL!

603 freetoken  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 6:56:41pm

re: #597 Stonemason


you make it sound like humans need the things you mentioned to survive, we don't. Humans will survive climate change.

You've like.. sooo missed the whole point.

604 darthstar  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 6:57:13pm

re: #589 albusteve

actually, I'm happy for you...
I don't have a family to support...but I delivered at the time
and remember...cash rules

Thanks...I'm actually pretty excited about it. I've been wanting to try my hand at management for a few years now, and I've got an excellent coach...a wife who manages about 350 people on a daily basis. She gives me great advice about how to enable my team members to get buy-in from them when I ask for things, so a few people already treat me like I'm their manager. I do have one guy who I can tell resents what he sees coming, but I've been asking his opinion on several items and giving him credit when they go well to help keep thing smooth between us.

605 albusteve  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 6:58:04pm

re: #603 freetoken

You've like.. sooo missed the whole point.

no...it's another point of view, and nicely said too

606 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 6:58:37pm

re: #559 Floral Giraffe

That I like to think is why nature has us. To add that certain something to the biosphere that had not yet been there.

607 Mr Pancakes  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 6:59:47pm

re: #601 jamesfirecat

Maybe so.

But I think that its not too late to change the course of things. I want to preserve as many of those nice things that I don't need for my children as possible.

I want their future to look like Back to the Future II not Mad Max...

Feh....... college fund be damned. I'm saving up to buy my daughter an armor plated mopar.

608 Stonemason  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 6:59:59pm

re: #575 LudwigVanQuixote

For instance, if all the humans alive right now lived as you want your kids to live, with curly bulbs and electric cars, the CO2 emissions would dwarf what we have.

That is utter bullshit that you just made up. Even if you had a point - no one is saying that curly bulbs are the only answer or a magic bullet. Your strawman isn't even applicable - let alone relevant

So, the billion or so humans who do not have electricity suddenly getting it would not raise the CO2 levels? that's bullshit? Not hardly.

My point was that this 'life' you are trying to save is not the life lived by, oh, say 30% of humans now.
Yes, drastic climate change will be very hard to deal with, maybe we should stop trying to stop it and start dealing with it.

609 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 7:00:04pm

re: #596 Killgore Trout

Attention Bigots: There Is Already a Mosque Near the WTC Site
Outrageous!

A truly epically great catch. Hats off to the Wonkette.

610 Cato the Elder  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 7:01:51pm

re: #580 LudwigVanQuixote

Or read the ten things you can do. Number ten is particularly pointed at you ;)

If those are our "options", we're definitively fucked.

611 darthstar  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 7:02:11pm

Heh...Bush "Miss me yet?" billboard in Minnesota.

612 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 7:02:15pm

re: #575 LudwigVanQuixote

Serious question-Say the industrial nations do cut back big. The undeveloped world burns a lot of wood and coal in open fires. Is that not a big part of the CO2 also? I suspect we need to electrify the undeveloped expanses with clean energy or its all for naught.

613 prairiefire  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 7:02:32pm

re: #596 Killgore Trout

Attention Bigots: There Is Already a Mosque Near the WTC Site
Outrageous!


The Wonkette is one smart, D.C. blogger.

Thanks, Wonkette!

614 engineer cat  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 7:02:49pm

re: #597 Stonemason

you make it sound like humans need the things you mentioned to survive, we don't. Humans will survive climate change.

but which ones?

615 albusteve  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 7:02:59pm

re: #604 darthstar

Thanks...I'm actually pretty excited about it. I've been wanting to try my hand at management for a few years now, and I've got an excellent coach...a wife who manages about 350 people on a daily basis. She gives me great advice about how to enable my team members to get buy-in from them when I ask for things, so a few people already treat me like I'm their manager. I do have one guy who I can tell resents what he sees coming, but I've been asking his opinion on several items and giving him credit when they go well to help keep thing smooth between us.

reminds me of the times when both myself and my wife were RNs....she was years and miles above me managing a level 1 trauma center, and I was a bedside nurse...ironically, because of trauma burnout, she envied me and of course the glamor of her job made me envy her...crazy life

616 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 7:03:03pm

re: #612 Rightwingconspirator

Serious question-Say the industrial nations do cut back big. The undeveloped world burns a lot of wood and coal in open fires. Is that not a big part of the CO2 also? I suspect we need to electrify the undeveloped expanses with clean energy or its all for naught.

IIRC, particulate emissions account for ~half of AGW.

617 Stonemason  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 7:03:55pm

re: #591 freetoken

Well, you threw that out there rather flippantly.

You are in no position to guarantee anything about 100 years from now.

I'll be dead...
yes, i did toss that out flippantly, but, even though past isn't proof of future, it sure is likely, isn't it?

618 calochortus  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 7:03:57pm

re: #608 Stonemason


Yes, drastic climate change will be very hard to deal with, maybe we should stop trying to stop it and start dealing with it.

That makes as much sense as suggesting pollution is hard to deal with so we need to stop trying to prevent it and learn how to live with it. Perhaps I'm not reading you correctly?

619 prairiefire  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 7:04:14pm

re: #615 albusteve

She probably was also enthralled with your silver locks and intelligence. It happens.

620 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 7:04:47pm

re: #612 Rightwingconspirator

I'm not LVQ, but, I will say, that every little bit, makes a difference!
We have to at least, TRY!

621 albusteve  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 7:04:48pm

re: #612 Rightwingconspirator

Serious question-Say the industrial nations do cut back big. The undeveloped world burns a lot of wood and coal in open fires. Is that not a big part of the CO2 also? I suspect we need to electrify the undeveloped expanses with clean energy or its all for naught.

two words...
Hyperion

622 albusteve  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 7:07:01pm

re: #619 prairiefire

She probably was also enthralled with your silver locks and intelligence. It happens.

she still is....she lives 20 miles from me, and is my personal nurse

623 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 7:07:17pm

re: #588 jamesfirecat

LVQ, I just failed my fortitude check, can you handle this?

Well, you'll need to heal fast, because tonight we have an LGF/D&D crossover that takes us to the Tomb of the Spirit of '68. This is part of the larger Tomb of Dead Political Gods adventure:

Note: For this chamber, the GM should feel free to give the characters a chance to buy long-range weapons or teleport in characters who have them before entering. A party armed only for close combat will be hammered her.


You party enters a wide open chamber with pillars and benches along the edges, newer than the preceding two, but filthy and run down. Motown music can be heard in the air. In the center of the back wall is a large tie-dye shirt. This shirt is the Spirit of '68, and it senses the players sanity and summons its minions. The Spirit itself does not move or make physical attacks, but it summons minions. It is a Level 26 Leader, but has 50% more hit points than normal since it cannot dodge attacks. It may make the following summons at the listed intervals to summon lesser minions. Greater Minions spawn at random after the first one, which appears in the chamber the turn after the fight begins.

624 Stonemason  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 7:07:36pm

re: #603 freetoken

What point?

That it will be hard? nope, got that one.
That many will die? nope, got that one.
That it can not be stopped? Nope, got that one (right from here)

How can we limit the damage to our nice, comfortable way of life? Not sure, worrying about how it happened and trying to stop it won't help deal with the future.

625 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 7:07:48pm

re: #598 Floral Giraffe

Yes indeed. A fortunate break indeed.

626 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 7:08:28pm

re: #621 albusteve

two words...
Hyperion

thorium

627 albusteve  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 7:08:30pm

re: #620 Floral Giraffe

I'm not LVQ, but, I will say, that every little bit, makes a difference!
We have to at least, TRY!

it's up to govt's, not the populace, but attitude counts!

628 darthstar  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 7:09:35pm

Holy crap...Giants were leading 7-2 in the 7th, so I assumed the game wouldb be over by now, and it was 9-9 in the bottom of the 10th when I just checked...then Andres Torres gets one pitch with the bases loaded and hits a ground-rule double into deep center, so SF wins 10-9.

629 albusteve  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 7:10:13pm

re: #626 Aceofwhat?

thorium

if I were a youngster, I'd head for the thorium asap

630 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 7:10:33pm

re: #628 darthstar

Holy crap...Giants were leading 7-2 in the 7th, so I assumed the game wouldb be over by now, and it was 9-9 in the bottom of the 10th when I just checked...then Andres Torres gets one pitch with the bases loaded and hits a ground-rule double into deep center, so SF wins 10-9.

is it college football season yet or what

631 RogueOne  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 7:10:40pm

re: #596 Killgore Trout

Attention Bigots: There Is Already a Mosque Near the WTC Site
Outrageous!

Umm, did anyone at wonkette take the time to read the website? They're renting space and looking to put up a building of their own. Their mosque is an old shoe store.

[Link: www.mapquest.com...]

632 Mr Pancakes  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 7:10:41pm

re: #628 darthstar

Holy crap...Giants were leading 7-2 in the 7th, so I assumed the game wouldb be over by now, and it was 9-9 in the bottom of the 10th when I just checked...then Andres Torres gets one pitch with the bases loaded and hits a ground-rule double into deep center, so SF wins 10-9.

Ok... Pads the need to win tonight

633 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 7:10:53pm

re: #627 albusteve

So, have you given up?
Or, are you still trying?

Hey, how is your health?
I hope you are well.

634 brookly red  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 7:10:55pm

re: #628 darthstar

Holy crap...Giants were leading 7-2 in the 7th, so I assumed the game wouldb be over by now, and it was 9-9 in the bottom of the 10th when I just checked...then Andres Torres gets one pitch with the bases loaded and hits a ground-rule double into deep center, so SF wins 10-9.

welcome to the world of never giving up :)

635 albusteve  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 7:11:01pm

re: #630 Aceofwhat?

is it college football season yet or what

soon come

636 freetoken  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 7:11:20pm

re: #617 Stonemason

The whole point of "guaranteeing" anything is that one can then deliver on that guarantee.

Since, as you are well aware, you'll be dead in 100 years (along with the rest of us), there really is nothing you can do in 100 years to follow up.

This is the whole point: all we have is today. If you aren't willing to do something today for the sake of those (supposedly guaranteed) who will live 100 years from now then you aren't also, in reality, guaranteeing anything.

We seem to always end up down this path, now that the hard-core science-deniers are no longer here (or no longer participate in these discussion): It's either all doom or it doesn't matter.

re: #624 Stonemason

What point?

That it will be hard? nope, got that one.
That many will die? nope, got that one.
That it can not be stopped? Nope, got that one (right from here)

You've left out one important point: the magnitude of changes can be abated by concerted efforts.

637 Digital Display  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 7:11:42pm

re: #620 Floral Giraffe

I'm not LVQ, but, I will say, that every little bit, makes a difference!
We have to at least, TRY!

Well I'm trying to help.. You know..The 25000 sq.ft house with 3 swimming pools..The summer home in France...The G5 gulf stream that flies around the world constantly, The 7 cars and 3 Hummers..
Do as I say not as I do...
/Save the world one 20 million dollar jet at a time..
Effen Hypocrites....

638 albusteve  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 7:11:53pm

re: #633 Floral Giraffe

So, have you given up?
Or, are you still trying?

Hey, how is your health?
I hope you are well.

leg is coming off...weird eh?

639 prairiefire  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 7:12:13pm

re: #622 albusteve

she still is...she lives 20 miles from me, and is my personal nurse

There ya go. So how is the med vac going? Do you have better circulation throughout your leg?

640 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 7:12:19pm

re: #584 Stonemason

You don't get my point, that's okay, I wasn't clear.

You really aren't making any points supported by either facts or reality to get.

I don't care about who caused it, or, how it happened, or, if it can be stopped. Based on you posts, it can't be, so, learn how to deal with it now.

Yes it can be averted. Nuclear, wind, solar, smart grids and high energy density batteries exist and are proven and profitable technologies. We we can not only avert the catastrophe, but make money and shore up security issues while doing so.

On a personal note, you are the doom-sayer here, the raving end-times dude, that's fine, doesn't bother me like it bothers others, run with it.

No, I am the one saying that we are fucked if we don't act - which seems to be what you are suggesting.


Humans will adapt, and no, that is not overly optimistic, we will adapt. We in the industrial world will continue to lower our birthrates while those in poverty will soon follow, out of necessity. Societies will change, yup, they always have, is it the change we fear?

Mass starvation, global war and pestilence that will kill billions, coupled with the collapse of civilization as we know it is indeed a change to be afraid of.

Clean water? There needs to be some confirmation on that one, need a link;

Go to my pages there are dozens of links on this. Short form is that the American Southwest alone gets over 75% of its water from melt waters. ONce the rivers go - and look up the links for what is happening to the Colorado river right now - we are looking at some 50 million Americans without water. This is very well documented.

Here are some links:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

if the inland glaciers melt, inland lakes will turn over quicker, and aquifers will replenish faster.

You really are making this up aren't you? If this were true, and it were that simple, there would be no desserts. Please read some actual science.

If you are referring to waste contaminating fresh water, we deal with that now, and do it very well, we will only get better.

This issue is so much like a religion...

Yes yours. One which seems to be preached on Fox News.

the world will end for humans in some future unless humans do X. If humans refuse to do X, they are 'sinners', if they do not believe, they are 'sinners'.

In this case yes. If your actions kill innocents, you are sinning. Most faiths would agree with that.

(Climate Change, as opposed to the '90's Global Warming, where the end was 2005 or so)

They are the same thing.

might actually be real, wouldn't that be something?

Why not read the science? Then you would know it is real.

Once again, don't get too worked up about my responses, I am just pointing out that y'all are not trying to save the planet, just your version of how humans should live, which, by the way, isn't everyone's version.

No, I am trying to save billions of lives and our nation and out civilization. I am not sorry of the simple fact that people like you can not have their cakes and eat them too - or that people like me get pissed when people like you think you are free to shit wherever you wish to.

641 albusteve  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 7:12:45pm

re: #637 HoosierHoops

Well I'm trying to help.. You know..The 25000 sq.ft house with 3 swimming pools..The summer home in France...The G5 gulf stream that flies around the world constantly, The 7 cars and 3 Hummers..
Do as I say not as I do...
/Save the world one 20 million dollar jet at a time..
Effen Hypocrites...

not supposed to speak about Gore anymore

642 webevintage  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 7:12:47pm

re: #599 freetoken

SO WHY DO THEY NEED ANOTHER ONE!!

Heh, get ready for it.

Why do so many small Southern towns with populations of 500 have 10 Baptist churches?!
That's the question I've always had....

643 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 7:12:49pm

re: #620 Floral Giraffe

Agreed. I would just add to try in all the right places, not just the most modern world. Elevate the primitive lifestyle. In fact one terrible cultural consequence will be the loss of that lifestyle. Still, better than cooked by the air.

644 Mr Pancakes  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 7:13:11pm

re: #638 albusteve

leg is coming off...weird eh?

Serious?

645 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 7:13:18pm

re: #638 albusteve

leg is coming off...weird eh?

wait...are you serious?

646 albusteve  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 7:13:23pm

re: #639 prairiefire

There ya go. So how is the med vac going? Do you have better circulation throughout your leg?

no, it failed...

647 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 7:13:39pm

re: #638 albusteve

I hope that you are able to save it.
You've been working hard at that.

Best wishes to you.

648 prairiefire  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 7:14:04pm

re: #638 albusteve

Oh, I see. Grab the situation and gooo..Go get it done. Please tell your ex that LGF folks appreciate her help to you.

649 calochortus  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 7:14:35pm

re: #646 albusteve

no, it failed...

I'm so sorry-and here I was thinking you were doing much better...

650 albusteve  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 7:14:40pm

re: #644 Mr Pancakes

Serious?

seems serious to me...
I can't speak for others, but let's drop it
no pun intended

651 Mr Pancakes  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 7:14:58pm

re: #646 albusteve

no, it failed...

I feel for you Steve....... but life can still be good dude....

652 freetoken  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 7:15:29pm

I see that Gus put up a Page showing that Drudge is now linking to Paul Craig Roberts, avowed conspiracists and anti-Israel blogger.

The right-wing really is going Paleo, and is dragging the GOP with it.

653 Mr Pancakes  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 7:15:35pm

re: #650 albusteve

seems serious to me...
I can't speak for others, but let's drop it
no pun intended

Ok

654 Cato the Elder  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 7:15:46pm

re: #650 albusteve

seems serious to me...
I can't speak for others, but let's drop it
no pun intended

You should always, always intend your puns.

655 webevintage  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 7:15:53pm

re: #631 RogueOne

Umm, did anyone at wonkette take the time to read the website? They're renting space and looking to put up a building of their own. Their mosque is an old shoe store.

[Link: www.mapquest.com...]

Well since Wonkette also said this:

LISTEN UP, HATEFUL ASSHOLES: The end is near! The Muslins have already invaded that city you call godless yet love because terrorism happened there! YOU ARE RIGHT TO BE VERY, VERY SCARED AND ANGRY ABOUT THIS! So you have to kill yourselves right now! It is the only way!

I don't think they really care.

(yeah, it is one of the better posts today, but I still think Republican Governors Make a Movie Trailer Thing Too
Read more at Wonkette: [Link: wonkette.com...] )

656 albusteve  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 7:15:58pm

re: #648 prairiefire

Oh, I see. Grab the situation and gooo..Go get it done. Please tell your ex that LGF folks appreciate her help to you.

she's a good natured bystander...she knows all about LGF, she lurks

657 darthstar  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 7:16:14pm

re: #646 albusteve

no, it failed...

Shit...that sucks.

658 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 7:16:20pm

re: #608 Stonemason

So, the billion or so humans who do not have electricity suddenly getting it would not raise the CO2 levels? that's bullshit? Not hardly.

Wow, you have reached MKelly level stupid. That is a difficult feat! I am impressed. If the electricity brought to those people is brought by nuclear, wind solar and smart grids, then no it will not increase emissions.

My point was that this 'life' you are trying to save is not the life lived by, oh, say 30% of humans now.

And what exactly do you think the effects of AGW will be on the thrid world? You are aware of the 128 degree temperatures in India and PAkistan this year? No... probably not. What about the encroaching and growing Sahara... how do you think that is impacting people? What of spread of contagion. If you would actually read the science rather than making stuff up and sounding like a fool, you would realize that the first people to get hit the hardest are going to be those third world people.

Yes, drastic climate change will be very hard to deal with, maybe we should stop trying to stop it and start dealing with it.

Which is done by getting off of fossil fuels and deploying nuclear, wind, solar, smart grids and electric vehicles with advanced batteries.

659 prairiefire  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 7:16:39pm

re: #654 Cato the Elder

You should always, always intend your puns.

Being the lowest form of humour and all.

660 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 7:16:59pm

re: #646 albusteve

no, it failed...

sorry, dude. here's to you -

661 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 7:17:01pm

re: #577 Cato the Elder

And realize that there ain't fuck-all you can do about it.

Embrace the science, extend the apathy.

"Many boffins died to bring us this information."

662 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 7:17:07pm

re: #646 albusteve

Oh man. Well, best wishes from us both here dude. D-L's brother is in a similar jam.

663 freetoken  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 7:17:30pm

re: #658 LudwigVanQuixote

Wow, you have reached MKelly level stupid. That is a difficult feat! I am impressed.

That's a little harsh, I think. MKelly is in a league of his own (now that other creationists are run off.)

664 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 7:17:50pm

re: #654 Cato the Elder

You should always, always intend your puns.

Major punishment for you, Sir!
*smack*
//

665 albusteve  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 7:18:14pm

it was intentional....I'll drop the pretense next time
PUN POWER!

666 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 7:18:40pm

re: #659 prairiefire

Being the lowest form of humour and all.

2nd lowest...practical jokes are the lowest-

667 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 7:19:41pm

re: #663 freetoken

That's a little harsh, I think.

out of character for LVQ;)

668 freetoken  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 7:19:45pm

If I might make a plea, it would be that people think about AGW (and all environmental problems) in a Dante-esque fashion.

There really are levels of hell that we can make for ourselves.

It's not a 1 or 0 type of thing.

We can't escape some human induced climate change, but we can avoid the worst possible scenarios.

669 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 7:20:00pm

re: #598 Floral Giraffe

Oh and Thanks! BTW we may start posting some photography from the seekrit garden. What do you think?

670 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 7:20:08pm

re: #663 freetoken

That's a little harsh, I think. MKelly is in a league of his own (now that other creationists are run off.)

Interesting point. OK - he is not yet writing on that "level."

671 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 7:20:12pm

Look out! We're about to descend into pundemonium...

672 prairiefire  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 7:20:13pm

re: #666 Aceofwhat?

Well, puns rule in our house. Practical jokes make me scream.

673 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 7:20:40pm

re: #668 freetoken

If I might make a plea, it would be that people think about AGW (and all environmental problems) in a Dante-esque fashion.

There really are levels of hell that we can make for ourselves.

It's not a 1 or 0 type of thing.

We can't escape some human induced climate change, but we can avoid the worst possible scenarios.

Very very well said.

674 RogueOne  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 7:20:43pm

re: #596 Killgore Trout

Attention Bigots: There Is Already a Mosque Near the WTC Site
Outrageous!

Speaking of bigotry, Here's something else I found on their site:

Explanation of surah Al-Isra- 4-8 :وَقَضَيۡنَآ إِلَىٰ بَنِىٓ إِسۡرَٲٓءِيلَ فِى ٱلۡكِتَـٰبِ لَتُفۡسِدُنَّ فِى ٱلۡأَرۡضِ مَرَّتَيۡنِ وَلَتَعۡلُنَّ عُلُوًّ۬ا ڪَبِيرً۬ا (٤) "And We decreed for the Children of Israel in the Scripture: Ye verily will work corruption in the earth twice, and ye will become great tyrants." (4) (12/30/08)

MP3 Audio

Wow. Start around the 2 min mark and see how long you would want this guy preaching next door to your business.

675 prairiefire  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 7:21:07pm

re: #669 Rightwingconspirator

whaaaaaaaat?

676 Digital Display  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 7:21:16pm

re: #670 LudwigVanQuixote

Interesting point. OK - he is not yet writing on that "level."

Ludwig! How the heck are you?

677 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 7:21:57pm

Continued from previous post:

Lesser Minions:

Hippies (every other turn): 2D6 Hippies enter. These are low level foes (Level 8) but there can be lots of them, swamping those who fail to clear them out.

Black Panthers (once every six turns): 2D6 of these Level 12 thugs appear and attack. Roll 1D6 once the number of Panthers is determined, the result is the number of them armed with firearms. The remaining thugs have only knives or clubs. The gun armed enemies will keep away from players and fire.

Wealth Eaters (1 every turn): These represent the waste of money of the left perpetrates at its worst. Each of these Level 9 minions does not drain life, but money instead. They latch onto a player character and then drain the character's gold ($1000 per turn) until they are destroyed.

Is this any good, or am I off-target tonight?

678 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 7:22:00pm

re: #612 Rightwingconspirator

Serious question-Say the industrial nations do cut back big. The undeveloped world burns a lot of wood and coal in open fires. Is that not a big part of the CO2 also? I suspect we need to electrify the undeveloped expanses with clean energy or its all for naught.

Yes, but the "less developed" parts of the world are fed daily doses of what the "rest" of the world gets, and they want it too! Unfortunately, there isn't enough to go around. So either the "developed" countries lower their standards (Good luck with that!) or the not yet developed countries, never achieve their goals. Can't have both, there isn't enough to go around. Currently Brazil, Peru & Paua New Guinea, are treating their rare & indigenous species as proprietary. I expect to see more nations follow their lead.

679 calochortus  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 7:22:33pm

re: #658 LudwigVanQuixote

I bow down in your general direction, sir. Eloquent as always. Well, except maybe for the M. Kelly crack...

And now I must go pack a suitcase. Long weekend with husband, adult kids and son-in-law. Arranging it has been like herding cats. Who knew it could be so complicated...

680 Gus  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 7:23:17pm

re: #652 freetoken

I see that Gus put up a Page showing that Drudge is now linking to Paul Craig Roberts, avowed conspiracists and anti-Israel blogger.

The right-wing really is going Paleo, and is dragging the GOP with it.

Could you imagine if Drudge had linked to Paul Craig Roberts, Infowars, or Prison Planet in say around 2004?

681 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 7:23:39pm

re: #612 Rightwingconspirator

Serious question-Say the industrial nations do cut back big. The undeveloped world burns a lot of wood and coal in open fires. Is that not a big part of the CO2 also? I suspect we need to electrify the undeveloped expanses with clean energy or its all for naught.

Serious answer - if we cut back big and develop clean energy systems - we can export those technologies to developing nations. They have Wind in Brazil too for example.

Sun baked regions are excellent candidates for solar panels.

Everyone can use the new batteries.

682 albusteve  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 7:23:47pm

re: #672 prairiefire

Well, puns rule in our house. Practical jokes make me scream.

both my girl and boy had razor sharp wit, and an offbeat sense of humor...the best times of my life...outsiders were befuddled sometime with our family dynamic, since my kids were always smarter than most adults

683 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 7:24:05pm

re: #669 Rightwingconspirator

Oh and Thanks! BTW we may start posting some photography from the seekrit garden. What do you think?

Have at it.
Nice things in bloom right now.
Wait until you see the Habenaria myriotricha!
Google it.
Awesome flower!

684 prairiefire  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 7:24:54pm

re: #679 calochortus

I bow down in your general direction, sir. Eloquent as always. Well, except maybe for the M. Kelly crack...

And now I must go pack a suitcase. Long weekend with husband, adult kids and son-in-law. Arranging it has been like herding cats. Who knew it could be so complicated...


Have a good time. Just yell at then "We are making memories here" if they get out of line.

685 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 7:25:16pm

re: #676 HoosierHoops

Ludwig! How the heck are you?

Fantastic! and you?

686 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 7:25:20pm

re: #675 prairiefire

We have some Orchid flower shots from a private home. Floral likes our stuff so I thought to ask what she thinks about that.

687 freetoken  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 7:25:36pm

re: #680 Gus 802

Could you imagine if Drudge had linked to Paul Craig Roberts, Infowars, or Prison Planet in say around 2004?

Well, during the Clinton presidency Drudge did seem eager to link to conspiracy stories about the President.

After 9/11 Drudge like everyone else followed pretty much the standard story-line to contemporary events.

Now with President Obama in office Drudge can go back to feeding off the bottom.

688 Gus  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 7:26:20pm

re: #687 freetoken

Well, during the Clinton presidency Drudge did seem eager to link to conspiracy stories about the President.

After 9/11 Drudge like everyone else followed pretty much the standard story-line to contemporary events.

Now with President Obama in office Drudge can go back to feeding off the bottom.

Really? I didn't know about Drudge until sometime around 2003.

689 calochortus  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 7:27:00pm

re: #684 prairiefire

Have a good time. Just yell at then "We are making memories here" if they get out of line.

Nah, that's for when they're younger. Now if they get out of line we just won't tell them when we're opening the evening's bottle of wine.

690 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 7:27:12pm

re: #681 LudwigVanQuixote
My reading taught me if we do not export the clean tech, we will fail to head this off. Uplifting primitive cultures will be obligatory, despite some loss of tribal culture and lifestyle forever. Everyone changes or it fails to help enough.

691 prairiefire  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 7:27:13pm

re: #686 Rightwingconspirator

I'm sure they are beautiful.
Orchids take toxins out of the air.

692 prairiefire  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 7:28:00pm

re: #689 calochortus

Brilliant.

693 Mocking Jay  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 7:28:13pm

re: #688 Gus 802

Really? I didn't know about Drudge until sometime around 2003.

Founded in '97.

And it looked just as ugly back then, too...

694 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 7:28:33pm

re: #677 Dark_Falcon

It's fairly good though I will withhold final judgement till the rightwing monsters of that era have been seen too. Perhaps big blue meanies with giant clubs that can't decide if they want to beat up the hippies or the player characters more?

//

695 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 7:28:38pm

re: #679 calochortus

I bow down in your general direction, sir. Eloquent as always. Well, except maybe for the M. Kelly crack...

And now I must go pack a suitcase. Long weekend with husband, adult kids and son-in-law. Arranging it has been like herding cats. Who knew it could be so complicated...

Thank you thank you...

696 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 7:29:52pm

re: #690 Rightwingconspirator

My reading taught me if we do not export the clean tech, we will fail to head this off. Uplifting primitive cultures will be obligatory, despite some loss of tribal culture and lifestyle forever. Everyone changes or it fails to help enough.

Absolutely. However, don't be fooled that the largest polluters are America and the large corporations. For example, Nigeria has worse emissions than all of Great Britain. This is because BP finds it ceaper to just burn the natural gas from their operations there, than to ship it somewhere.

697 jamesfirecat  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 7:30:09pm

re: #677 Dark_Falcon

Continued from previous post:

Lesser Minions:

Hippies (every other turn): 2D6 Hippies enter. These are low level foes (Level 8) but there can be lots of them, swamping those who fail to clear them out.

Black Panthers (once every six turns): 2D6 of these Level 12 thugs appear and attack. Roll 1D6 once the number of Panthers is determined, the result is the number of them armed with firearms. The remaining thugs have only knives or clubs. The gun armed enemies will keep away from players and fire.

Wealth Eaters (1 every turn): These represent the waste of money of the left perpetrates at its worst. Each of these Level 9 minions does not drain life, but money instead. They latch onto a player character and then drain the character's gold ($1000 per turn) until they are destroyed.

Is this any good, or am I off-target tonight?

Wait, wait, wait!

Up to this point DF, you were always targeting particular people or non political concepts like internet trolling.

Was there some liberal troll all this is based off of? Because otherwise it might just be my all too human "not so funny when the shoe is on the foot" reaction, but this seems to be on a different level than that other stuff you've done!

698 Mr Pancakes  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 7:30:10pm

re: #682 albusteve

both my girl and boy had razor sharp wit, and an offbeat sense of humor...the best times of my life...outsiders were befuddled sometime with our family dynamic, since my kids were always smarter than most adults

I took a neighbor lady to the bank the other day.... she doesn't drive. She asked me if $2 was enough for gas and I said with a straight face "$2 dollars? I charge $5." My neighbor said really? My 11 year old daughter said to her "Do you know they took the word gullible out of the dictionary?" I cracked up.

699 prairiefire  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 7:30:53pm

re: #697 jamesfirecat

I think he is pissed.

700 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 7:31:19pm

re: #677 Dark_Falcon

Continued from previous post:

Lesser Minions:

Hippies (every other turn): 2D6 Hippies enter. These are low level foes (Level 8) but there can be lots of them, swamping those who fail to clear them out.

Black Panthers (once every six turns): 2D6 of these Level 12 thugs appear and attack. Roll 1D6 once the number of Panthers is determined, the result is the number of them armed with firearms. The remaining thugs have only knives or clubs. The gun armed enemies will keep away from players and fire.

Wealth Eaters (1 every turn): These represent the waste of money of the left perpetrates at its worst. Each of these Level 9 minions does not drain life, but money instead. They latch onto a player character and then drain the character's gold ($1000 per turn) until they are destroyed.

Is this any good, or am I off-target tonight?

I think you are a little off target - unless you make this into a three way with the forces of Nixon.

701 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 7:32:12pm

re: #696 LudwigVanQuixote

That is so wrong. Even the flare burn on the recovery ship in the gulf annoys me. Tank the gas and send it where needed. Use some to crack the rest into H and C. Carbon black C I mean. Something. Anything but the wasteful flare off.

702 prairiefire  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 7:32:27pm

re: #698 Mr Pancakes

You are in for years of enjoyment, Mr. Pancakes.

703 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 7:33:19pm

re: #691 prairiefire

Okay later maybe even tonight we will have Orchid Page in.

704 Gus  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 7:33:35pm

re: #693 JasonA

Founded in '97.

And it looked just as ugly back then, too...

Probably made on his parent's IBM 386.

705 Mr Pancakes  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 7:34:42pm

re: #702 prairiefire

You are in for years of enjoyment, Mr. Pancakes.

I love her..... good respectful smart kid. It's hard for me to keep up.

706 Digital Display  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 7:35:29pm

re: #685 LudwigVanQuixote

Fantastic! and you?

Working hard and long hours....
It's funny in Oklahoma when you scan the radio you get mostly Country Stations or a preacher saving your soul.. I found one rock station and a sports talk radio station...
Welcome to the Bible belt...
/Does this cowboy hat make me look country?
*wink*

707 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 7:35:56pm

re: #696 LudwigVanQuixote

And the forrest burnings for charcoal can bee seen from an airplane over most of what the West considers "the third world".

708 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 7:36:59pm

re: #706 HoosierHoops

Internet radio & satellite radio are the real salvation for the soul when stuck on the great plains... :eek:

709 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 7:37:13pm

re: #704 Gus 802

Probably made on his parent's IBM 386.

The first time I got on the web proper (as in, not just usenet or the ASCII interface for the web through a VAX terminal at 2400 baud at my college) was with Windows 3.1.

So...
...

...Sloo-o-o-o-o-ow

710 albusteve  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 7:37:28pm

re: #701 Rightwingconspirator

That is so wrong. Even the flare burn on the recovery ship in the gulf annoys me. Tank the gas and send it where needed. Use some to crack the rest into H and C. Carbon black C I mean. Something. Anything but the wasteful flare off.

not gonna happen....Nigeria is in bad shape, with the Islamists bearing down on the oil in the south...that country is a disaster waiting to happen

711 engineer cat  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 7:37:39pm

re: #700 LudwigVanQuixote

the forces of Nixon.

heh

made me laugh

712 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 7:38:15pm

re: #706 HoosierHoops

Working hard and long hours...
It's funny in Oklahoma when you scan the radio you get mostly Country Stations or a preacher saving your soul.. I found one rock station and a sports talk radio station...
Welcome to the Bible belt...
/Does this cowboy hat make me look country?
*wink*

Dude, did you not take your emergency Beethoven ration? What about the Rolling Stones survival package?

Anyway, the hat is likely kinda cool.

713 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 7:39:22pm

bbl! Have things to accomplish!

714 Cato the Elder  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 7:40:07pm

re: #661 goddamnedfrank

Embrace the science, extend the apathy.

"Many boffins died to bring us this information."

And many puffins will die before we absorb it.

715 Mr Pancakes  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 7:40:14pm

re: #712 LudwigVanQuixote

Dude, did you not take your emergency Beethoven ration? What about the Rolling Stones survival package?

Anyway, the hat is likely kinda cool.

Excuse me?

Youtube Video
716 Gus  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 7:40:29pm

re: #709 WindUpBird

The first time I got on the web proper (as in, not just usenet or the ASCII interface for the web through a VAX terminal at 2400 baud at my college) was with Windows 3.1.

So...
...

...Sloo-o-o-o-o-ow

I was able to get up to get 9600 baud. Windows 3.1 and a 486.

717 freetoken  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 7:43:14pm

re: #688 Gus 802

Yup. The Monica story made Drudge, and his flashing lights, famous.

718 prairiefire  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 7:43:22pm

Avette Brothers "Head Full Of Doubt/ Road Full Of Promise": [Link: www.spinner.com...]

719 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 7:43:56pm

re: #683 Floral Giraffe

Just did look at that. Wow! Gotta get that when we can. We may first post the paphiopedilum that D_L got Tuesday.

720 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 7:44:52pm

re: #706 HoosierHoops

Did you get some shit kicking boots, yet?

721 Mr Pancakes  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 7:46:56pm

re: #716 Gus 802

I was able to get up to get 9600 baud. Windows 3.1 and a 486.

I held on to DOS until they pried it from my cold dead fingers. I thought Windows 3.1 was goofy.

722 Gus  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 7:47:15pm

re: #717 freetoken

Yup. The Monica story made Drudge, and his flashing lights, famous.

Birth of a movement then. Should have seen this coming.

723 Digital Display  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 7:47:39pm

re: #720 Floral Giraffe

Did you get some shit kicking boots, yet?

Riding on the range,
I've got my hat - on,
I've got my boots - dusty.

I've got my saddle
On my horse.
He's called....T-t-t-t-t-trigger
Of course.

I wanna be a cowboy
and you can be my cowgirl
I wanna be a cowboy
and you can be my cowgirl
I wanna be a cowboy

(woman's voice)
Riding on the chuck wagon,
Following my man.
His name is Ted,
Can you believe that?
Camping on the prairie
Plays havoc with my hair.
Makes me feel quite dirty,
Though we all do sometimes

I wanna be a cowboy
and you can be my cowgirl
I wanna be a cowboy
and you can be my cowgirl
I wanna be a cowboy

724 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 7:48:55pm

re: #723 HoosierHoops

LOL!
That's a great song, cowboy!

725 Mocking Jay  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 7:48:58pm

re: #721 Mr Pancakes

I held on to DOS until they pried it from my cold dead fingers. I thought Windows 3.1 was goofy.

Same here. Then Win 95 came along and that was the end of that...

726 darthstar  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 7:49:11pm

I just got a call from my congresswoman and am now on a telephone town hall. I should go to the kitchen and get a teabag I can wave, though that'll only piss off the dogs.

727 Kronocide  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 7:50:00pm

Speir?

728 prairiefire  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 7:50:00pm

Avett Bothers "Bella Donna":

Youtube Video
729 Mr Pancakes  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 7:50:18pm

The Vandals Urban Struggle Lyrics:
I want to be a Cowboy
I got to be a Cowboy
I'm born to be a Cowboy
I want to be a Cowboy
A Cowboy! Uh-huh

Tonight we're taking me fast car
Were gonna go down to the Cowboy bar
I'm gonna wait till the club is full
and I'm gonna ride the mechanical bull

Cowboy look is the one I sought
Can't change now cause the clothes are bought
To be a true Cowboy was my fate
I can't help it if I was born late

All the Cowgirls in their Stetson hats
and their tight fitting jeans so they don't look fat
We'll all be listening to the Cowboy tunes
and stomp around like a bunch of goons

Cowboy look is the one I sought
Can't change now cause the clothes are bought
To be a true cowboy was my fate
I can't help it if I was born late

We're all OD'd on the Olden West
seein' who's Cowboy clothes look the best
I can ride that phony bull so damn good
Sometimes I think I'm Clint Eastwood

Cowboy look is the one I sought
Can't change now cause the clothes are bought
[ Find more Lyrics on [Link: mp3lyrics.org...] ]
To be a true cowboy was my fate
I can't help it if I was born late

I know I'm a Cowboy deep inside
My hat band's made out of
synthetic rattle snake hide
After a couple shit kickin' Cowboy movies
I'll check out the Cowboy scene down at Zubie's

Cowboy look is the one I sought
Can't change now cause the clothes are bought
To be a true cowboy was my fate
I can't help it if I was born late

Find out who all fights the best
We start fights with them punks at the Cuckoo's Nest
Those damn punks are crazy (though)
and meaner than a bull at a rodeo

Cowboy look is the one I sought
Can't change now cause the clothes are bought
To be a true cowboy was my fate
I can't help it if I was born late

You call me an Urban clone of course
A big deal if I'm afraid to ride a horse
With a broken nose and a fucked up knee
Maybe this Cowboy scene just ain't for me

Cowboy look is the one I sought
Can't change now cause the clothes are bought
To be a true cowboy was my fate
I can't help it if I was born late

Yee Haw

Cowboy look is the one I sought
Can't change now cause the clothes are bought
To be a true cowboy was my fate
I can't help it if I was born late

( I couldn't make it as a Punker )

730 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 7:50:29pm

re: #701 Rightwingconspirator

That is so wrong. Even the flare burn on the recovery ship in the gulf annoys me. Tank the gas and send it where needed. Use some to crack the rest into H and C. Carbon black C I mean. Something. Anything but the wasteful flare off.

Hey, RWC.
Those flares serve other purposes.
On oil production rigs, the primary purpose is to act as a safety device to protect vessels or pipes from over-pressuring due to unplanned upsets - like the spout on a tea-kettle. In this case, it's a good thing.

731 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 7:50:32pm

LGF/D&D Crossover Continued:

Greater Minions: One of these appears in the second turn of the battle. On turn 5, roll 2D6. If the result is 10 or greater, another Greater Minion arrives. Each turn a Greater Minion does not arrive, lower the target number for one's appearance by 1 (so if one does not appear on turns 5 and 6, one will appear on turn with a roll of 8 or higher). After a Greater Minion appears, wait two turns before starting to roll again with a 10+ target again. Greater Minions are all Level 18 foes and unlike lesser minions they do not disappear when the Spirit of '68 is vanquished, though no new ones arrive once this has happened. Players must defeat any Greater Minions on the board to remove the chamber's Soul Gem.

To determine which Greater Minion appears, roll 1D4 and consult the number next to each minion.

Greater Minion Stats:

The Backstabbing Back-Bencher (1)

This is a tall minion who has a distinct reek of dishonesty. He will not hesitate to throw his fellow minion in front of the players to to save himself.

Armor: Loads of cash from his wife, providing protect again most consequences.

Spells: Sonorous Speech: B3 drones on and on about how proud he is and about how he won 3 Purple Hearts. This puts the targeted player to sleep (avoid with a save).

Backstab: B3 talks about how he is a friend to the players. If any fall for it, he teleports behind them and stabs them in the back while talking accusing them of fake atrocities.

Weapons:

Pump Action Shotgun: 4D6 damage, short range Ranged attack.

Back-Stab Blade: 3D6 damage to a character's most vulnerable rear location.

Special: Once B3's health is exhausted, he begs for mercy, offering the players $200,000 of his wife's money. If they accept, he runs off and they split the money equally. If they refuse they may take him prisoner or destroy him instead. If the players elect the former, B3 follows them in chains into the next chamber. If they elect to destroy him, the players get 33% more experience points than normal for defeating him.

Guess who B3 is.

732 Gus  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 7:51:18pm

re: #721 Mr Pancakes

I held on to DOS until they pried it from my cold dead fingers. I thought Windows 3.1 was goofy.

I didn't have a benchmark so I couldn't compare. I remember it being agonizingly slow for graphics. The DOS programs were faster.

733 prairiefire  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 7:51:32pm

Avett Brothers
"For Today"

Youtube Video
734 albusteve  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 7:51:52pm

some awesome cut and pastage

735 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 7:52:24pm

re: #697 jamesfirecat

Wait, wait, wait!

Up to this point DF, you were always targeting particular people or non political concepts like internet trolling.

Was there some liberal troll all this is based off of? Because otherwise it might just be my all too human "not so funny when the shoe is on the foot" reaction, but this seems to be on a different level than that other stuff you've done!

My intention was always a political angle for at least part of this. The next chamber will be the Tomb of the Golden Waters and will have conservative baddies.

736 Mocking Jay  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 7:52:53pm

re: #731 Dark_Falcon

Don't have to guess at that one.

"Spells: Sonorous Speech: B3 drones on and on about how proud he is and about how he won 3 Purple Hearts. This puts the targeted player to sleep (avoid with a save)."

I'll remember this one, though.

737 Digital Display  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 7:52:55pm

re: #725 JasonA

Same here. Then Win 95 came along and that was the end of that...

Sorta of.. Win 95 TCP/IP Stacks still sucked..Completely lame network setups..Novell rocked..Then Microsoft caught up and killed them and destroyed the Enterprise Trees and Took over the world with Active directory..

738 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 7:53:06pm

Evening Honcos.

739 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 7:53:13pm

re: #731 Dark_Falcon

OK, not a game player, but, greater minions are serfs who do things that make the master happy. Lesser minions clean up the floors. Does that work?

740 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 7:53:29pm

re: #730 reine.de.tout

Okay, safety first. But that is about releasing the gas not necessarily burning it right? All I'm sayin is maybe spend the money on the machine to save the gas released. Maybe the engineering makes that a stupid idea. Maybe not?

741 darthstar  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 7:53:39pm

CCA in da house!

742 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 7:53:41pm

re: #738 Cannadian Club Akbar

Hola Honco!

743 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 7:53:56pm

re: #700 LudwigVanQuixote

I think you are a little off target - unless you make this into a three way with the forces of Nixon.

Nixon won't be making an appearance, since neither side really claims him (partially due to Watergate).

744 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 7:54:27pm

re: #730 reine.de.tout

Hey, RWC.
Those flares serve other purposes.
On oil production rigs, the primary purpose is to act as a safety device to protect vessels or pipes from over-pressuring due to unplanned upsets - like the spout on a tea-kettle. In this case, it's a good thing.

I should say - the flare serves the rig in the same way the spout on a tea-kettle serves - pressure release.

745 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 7:54:57pm

re: #739 Floral Giraffe

OK, not a game player, but, greater minions are serfs who do things that make the master happy. Lesser minions clean up the floors. Does that work?

For some things, yes. Though I'd replace "serfs" with "underlings".

746 jamesfirecat  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 7:55:05pm

re: #735 Dark_Falcon

My intention was always a political angle for at least part of this. The next chamber will be the Tomb of the Golden Waters and will have conservative baddies.

Okay well if nothing else, does the spirit of 68' say anything, even telepathically?

Sorry it's just the other monsters tended to chat up the players before they attacked, this seemed like some kind of weird animated object that is evidently angry/hates anything sane and so it attacks on sight with a cadre of liberal themed monsters....

Maybe if you had fleshed out what/who exactly the Spirit of 68' is then this would have seemed so "out of left field" to say the least!

747 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 7:55:38pm

re: #740 Rightwingconspirator

Okay, safety first. But that is about releasing the gas not necessarily burning it right? All I'm sayin is maybe spend the money on the machine to save the gas released. Maybe the engineering makes that a stupid idea. Maybe not?

No, releasing the gas without burning it is not a good idea. The rig would be sitting in a haze of gas - one piece of metal hits another one causing a spark - kaboom. gotta burn it.

748 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 7:55:38pm

Watching Locked Up Abroad. Why do people try to smuggle loads of coke and get caught, they cry about it. There is no crying in smuggling.

749 darthstar  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 7:56:25pm

re: #748 Cannadian Club Akbar

Watching Locked Up Abroad. Why do people try to smuggle loads of coke and get caught, they cry about it. There is no crying in smuggling.

Because they know that when they get out of jail, they're going to owe some shady fucker a lot of money.

750 Mr Pancakes  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 7:56:32pm

re: #732 Gus 802

I didn't have a benchmark so I couldn't compare. I remember it being agonizingly slow for graphics. The DOS programs were faster.

My benchmark was the Texas Instruments 994/A ....... no hard drive and 16k of RAM....... cassette tape was the storage medium. I actually loved that computer.

Remember the "turbo" button? It would allow your old DOS programs to run slower.

751 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 7:56:34pm

re: #721 Mr Pancakes

I held on to DOS until they pried it from my cold dead fingers. I thought Windows 3.1 was goofy.

I needed Photoshop so that wasn't an option for me. :D DOS for games though! config sys wrangling, represent

752 albusteve  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 7:56:39pm

re: #748 Cannadian Club Akbar

Watching Locked Up Abroad. Why do people try to smuggle loads of coke and get caught, they cry about it. There is no crying in smuggling.

cocaine is evil

753 darthstar  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 7:57:20pm

re: #752 albusteve

cocaine is evil

Yep...back in my coke days, I'd joke, "I don't do coke. Coke does me." It wasn't until I was ready to quit that I realized how true that was.

754 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 7:57:34pm

re: #613 prairiefire

The Wonkette is one smart, D.C. blogger.

Thanks, Wonkette!

Wonkette is a corporate blog, sold out to some media company many years ago. Whoever is doing the actual work there is doing a good job these days.

755 jaunte  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 7:57:41pm

re: #748 Cannadian Club Akbar

They don't think it through.

756 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 7:58:09pm

re: #746 jamesfirecat

Okay well if nothing else, does the spirit of 68' say anything, even telepathically?

Sorry it's just the other monsters tended to chat up the players before they attacked, this seemed like some kind of weird animated object that is evidently angry/hates anything sane and so it attacks on sight with a cadre of liberal themed monsters...

Maybe if you had fleshed out what/who exactly the Spirit of 68' is then this would have seemed so "out of left field" to say the least!

Sorry. What would you suggest? Keep in mind that this "Spirit" is supposed to be the left-wing aspects of 1968 that were bad.

757 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 7:58:21pm

re: #631 RogueOne

Umm, did anyone at wonkette take the time to read the website? They're renting space and looking to put up a building of their own. Their mosque is an old shoe store.

[Link: www.mapquest.com...]

Persian shoe jihad iz outrageous!

758 prairiefire  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 7:58:46pm

re: #706 HoosierHoops

In the 80s/90s the College radio station was very good. Try the NPR station.

759 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 7:58:49pm

re: #753 darthstar

Yep...back in my coke days, I'd joke, "I don't do coke. Coke does me." It wasn't until I was ready to quit that I realized how true that was.

I lived with a dealer when I was 21. He kept 9 ounces in the house at a time.

760 Stonemason  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 7:58:52pm

Didn't run, had to finish work.

I promise to never discuss AGW here again.

761 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 7:59:37pm

re: #674 RogueOne

Speaking of bigotry, Here's something else I found on their site:

Explanation of surah Al-Isra- 4-8 :وَقَضَي ۡنَآ إِلَىٰ بَنِىٓ إِسۡرَٲ& #1619;ءِيلَ فِى ٱلۡكِتَ& #1600;ٰبِ لَتُفۡس& #1616;دُنَّ فِى ٱلۡأَرۡ& #1590;ِ مَرَّتَ& #1610;ۡنِ وَلَتَع& #1761;لُنَّ عُلُوًّ& #1772;ا ڪَبِيرً& #1772;ا (٤) "And We decreed for the Children of Israel in the Scripture: Ye verily will work corruption in the earth twice, and ye will become great tyrants." (4) (12/30/08)

[Video]Wow. Start around the 2 min mark and see how long you would want this guy preaching next door to your business.

OMG! Let's torch it with fire!
/

762 Mich-again  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 7:59:37pm

Heres my take on the Koran burning..

Extremism breeds extremism. The harder one side pushes to the extreme, the harder the opposite side will push back. I'm not sure if this Koran burning is the stimulus or the response to a previous event, but it doesn't really matter. The only place a pendulum can stop is in the middle. Pushing one way or the other just adds to momentum for the backswing.

But if someone wants to buy a book and then burn it. So what? As long as they have a burn permit from the local fire marshall I guess. I'd be more concerned if the Government were to step in and tell people they had to treat some particular book, and I mean any book, as sacred and it would be against the law to burn that book. This is not to say I am for censoring so don't try putting those words in my mouth. I'm just saying a book is nothing sacred. Its paper, ink and binding. If people want to buy them to burn them, so what? But those people better be prepared to stand by as their sacred books gets torched later on. Like I said, extremism breeds extremism.

763 jamesfirecat  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 7:59:38pm

re: #756 Dark_Falcon

Sorry. What would you suggest? Keep in mind that this "Spirit" is supposed to be the left-wing aspects of 1968 that were bad.

Maybe it should notice the characters are carrying weapons and scream something about "END THE WAR!"

764 Mr Pancakes  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 8:00:04pm

re: #760 Stonemason

Didn't run, had to finish work.

I promise to never discuss AGW here again.

You spoke from your heart dude..... don't let them get you down.

765 Digital Display  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 8:01:20pm

re: #752 albusteve

cocaine is evil

Yup..Coke nearly destroyed the NBA in the 80's

766 albusteve  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 8:01:29pm

re: #764 Mr Pancakes

You spoke from your heart dude... don't let them get you down.

excellent posts

767 Gus  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 8:01:31pm

Keyboard Cat by "Captain Nixon"

Youtube Video
768 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 8:01:54pm

re: #759 Cannadian Club Akbar

Goodness!
I was shown the pound of "sugar" in the freezer, and the electronic scale on the fridge, and told not to touch, any of it!
Glad those days are over!

769 eastsider  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 8:02:13pm

showing up WAY late here, but my initial reaction to the above is this:

How different will the reaction to this be in the Muslim world than the reaction to international draw Muhammed day?

It could be a useful though exercise as to where people draw the line between free speech and decency. Muslims could react exactly the same to both, yet many westerners would see a huge difference between the two.

770 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 8:02:24pm

re: #762 Mich-again

Agreed. It's a combination of problems; people who freak out if their book is burned and people who think they can accomplish something by burning a book. Idiots all.

771 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 8:02:46pm

re: #765 HoosierHoops

Yup..Coke nearly destroyed the NBA in the 80's

Didn't Hollywood Henderson from the Cowboys pt it in a spray bottle he kept on his hip dring games.

772 Mocking Jay  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 8:02:57pm

Coincidentally enough Jon Stewart's talking about Kerry right now...

773 darthstar  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 8:03:28pm

re: #759 Cannadian Club Akbar

I lived with a dealer when I was 21. He kept 9 ounces in the house at a time.

Sounds familiar. I can remember going to my dealer's house to party and seeing about 40 grand stacked on the coffee table and a gun next to it. He was freaked having that much cash on hand and was high as a kite. Needless to say, I didn't stay long. That was about the time I decided it was time to quit.

774 albusteve  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 8:04:07pm

re: #770 Killgore Trout

Agreed. It's a combination of problems; people who freak out if their book is burned and people who think they can accomplish something by burning a book. Idiots all.

yup

775 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 8:05:01pm

re: #773 darthstar

Sounds familiar. I can remember going to my dealer's house to party and seeing about 40 grand stacked on the coffee table and a gun next to it. He was freaked having that much cash on hand and was high as a kite. Needless to say, I didn't stay long. That was about the time I decided it was time to quit.

Congratulations, your life is officially about 10 times as interesting as mine :D

776 Stonemason  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 8:05:08pm

re: #770 Killgore Trout

Agreed. It's a combination of problems; people who freak out if their book is burned and people who think they can accomplish something by burning a book. Idiots all.

So true. How does one teach the idiots on either side though? that seems to be the question of the ages. My religion, your religion, hers, his...hell, i'm feeling a little like Rodney King.

When the fringes start to realize they make the mainstream look stupid, this might stop, but I have very little faith that anything like that will happen.

777 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 8:05:54pm

re: #775 WindUpBird

Congratulations, your life is officially about 10 times as interesting as mine :D

Maybe, but he doesn't have cool boots!!

778 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 8:06:24pm

re: #777 Cannadian Club Akbar

Maybe, but he doesn't have cool boots!!

I do have a compelling wardrobe, it is true *_*

779 albusteve  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 8:06:29pm

re: #773 darthstar

Sounds familiar. I can remember going to my dealer's house to party and seeing about 40 grand stacked on the coffee table and a gun next to it. He was freaked having that much cash on hand and was high as a kite. Needless to say, I didn't stay long. That was about the time I decided it was time to quit.

I've seen 3 times that amount of money and I guarantee you the owner was quite calm and happy...as was I

780 darthstar  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 8:06:32pm

re: #775 WindUpBird

Congratulations, your life is officially about 10 times as interesting as mine :D

Nope...it was just bad choices I made that somehow managed not to kill me.

781 albusteve  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 8:07:38pm

re: #780 darthstar

Nope...it was just bad choices I made that somehow managed not to kill me.

just burned out your metabolism

782 darthstar  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 8:07:42pm

re: #779 albusteve

I've seen 3 times that amount of money and I guarantee you the owner was quite calm and happy...as was I

This guy was a cook at the restaurant where I bartended. He was small-time (grams and eight-balls). He wasn't exactly ready for moving up to the next level in dealing.

783 Obdicut  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 8:08:04pm

re: #770 Killgore Trout

Agreed. It's a combination of problems; people who freak out if their book is burned and people who think they can accomplish something by burning a book. Idiots all.

I'd freak out if the Torah was being burned, because I understand that as a hostile message of persecution and hatred towards Jews.

I fully understand any Muslims who feel unsafe in the community where this occur.

784 darthstar  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 8:08:10pm

re: #781 albusteve

just burned out your metabolism

Nah...that was my thyroid exploding a couple of years ago that did that.

785 eastsider  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 8:08:32pm

re: #776 Stonemason

So true. How does one teach the idiots on either side though? that seems to be the question of the ages.

its a question of exposure. if one way of life, one religion, one culture is all you've know, you will defend it on principle as the "right" answer. However, if you've met enough people of different origins you respect certain differences and actually learn a bit in the process.

When people are isolated and see "others" only for their often superficial differences, that's when you get ardent tribalism and in certain situations violent (or explosively vocal) extremism.

786 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 8:08:47pm

re: #747 reine.de.tout

Sent you a mail...

787 Guanxi88  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 8:09:31pm

re: #780 darthstar

Nope...it was just bad choices I made that somehow managed not to kill me.

Darthstar's Cinco de Mayo party is chiseled into the Mayan Long-Count Calendar. He visited a psychic once, to warn her.

Darthstar is the most interesting Lizard you know.

788 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 8:09:47pm

re: #780 darthstar

Nope...it was just bad choices I made that somehow managed not to kill me.

All my bad choices are like, bad-for-nerds bad, not bad in the Quentin Tarantino Movie Come To Life bad. :D

789 Mr Pancakes  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 8:09:58pm

Here's a metal video that I like a lot that just came up on my play-list. Well, maybe not metal metal...... but there is some growling.

Youtube Video
790 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 8:10:08pm

re: #782 darthstar

This guy was a cook at the restaurant where I bartended. He was small-time (grams and eight-balls). He wasn't exactly ready for moving up to the next level in dealing.

A guy I went to skool with was out on bail for dealing. Had a briefcase full of coke while out on bail. Led the cops on a high speed case. Stopped on a bridge and jumps. Coast Guard plucked him out of the water. He did 12 years.

791 albusteve  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 8:10:10pm

re: #782 darthstar

This guy was a cook at the restaurant where I bartended. He was small-time (grams and eight-balls). He wasn't exactly ready for moving up to the next level in dealing.

it takes super confidence and focus to deal with large amounts of money and several personalities at once...that's why it's a business, altho I'm not sneezing at 40 large...nice chunk

792 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 8:10:40pm

re: #782 darthstar

This guy was a cook at the restaurant where I bartended. He was small-time (grams and eight-balls). He wasn't exactly ready for moving up to the next level in dealing.

he didn't quite have the white Countach yet :D

793 Donna Ballard  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 8:10:51pm

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
Sanity Break: The first images from the Seekrit Gardens

794 Mich-again  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 8:11:31pm

re: #771 Cannadian Club Akbar

Didn't Hollywood Henderson from the Cowboys pt it in a spray bottle he kept on his hip dring games.

IIRC, It was a Vicks inhaler.

795 eastsider  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 8:11:36pm

re: #782 darthstar

This guy was a cook at the restaurant where I bartended. He was small-time (grams and eight-balls). He wasn't exactly ready for moving up to the next level in dealing.

I guess you could say the cook was

[puts on sunglasses]

small potatoes.

796 albusteve  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 8:11:43pm

re: #784 darthstar

Nah...that was my thyroid exploding a couple of years ago that did that.

it was a longshot guess...coke wreaks havoc on the cardio system mostly

797 Guanxi88  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 8:12:01pm

Burning a Quran is a deeply foolish and wrong-headed thing to do; would that they'd find some other outlet for their passions.

798 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 8:12:26pm

re: #795 eastsider

I guess you could say the cook was

[puts on sunglasses]

small potatoes.

David Caruso, is that you?
//

799 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 8:12:56pm

re: #794 Mich-again

IIRC, It was a Vicks inhaler.

Yes. Worn on the hip.

800 albusteve  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 8:13:14pm

re: #797 Guanxi88

Burning a Quran is a deeply foolish and wrong-headed thing to do; would that they'd find some other outlet for their passions.

don't these fuckers have volleyball pits and bake sales?

801 eastsider  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 8:13:41pm

re: #798 Cannadian Club Akbar

David Caruso, is that you?
//

you know it, now queue up "won't get fooled again"!

802 Guanxi88  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 8:13:53pm

Not a Christian, even a particularly good non-Christian, come to that, but I'll say this: that this event is at all newsworthy is a testament (ha!) to the restraint and decency practiced by most Christians; even the whackier ones

803 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 8:14:07pm

Greater Minions:

The Mad Bomber (2)

The Mad Bomber wears glass and looks somewhat ordinary. At one time, he was associated with the Great Obama-Rama, but the Great OR was not part of the Bomber's evil deeds seen here, and the association broke off prior to Obama-Rama's becoming a Political Demi-God.

Armor: None. The Bomber is sneaky and evasive.

Spell:
Hippie Rage: The Mad Bomber riles up the hippies, who in the next turn inflict 50% more damage to any attacks they make.

Weapons:

Nail Bombs: Every turn the Mad Bomber may emplace a bomb. These explode after a number of turns secretly determined by the Dungeon Master. When they explode, any creature (player or enemy) within 3 hexes takes 6D6 damage (no save possible). Players may attempt to use the Disarm Trap Skill to disarm a bomb, but the bomb exploded if the Skill roll fails.

Club of Condensation: 2D4 Damage. The Mad Bomber only uses this if players close with him, his bombs and spell are his main weapons.


Special: The Mad Bomber has the Evade Skill rating of a Level 25 foe, representing his skill at weaseling out of trouble.

Author Note: Don't take this minion as slam on Obama, the only person being slammed is the one being charactitured.

804 Obdicut  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 8:14:19pm

re: #429 Aceofwhat?

Liquid Fuel Thorium Reactors. Spread the gospel.

By the way, I've asked the smartest guy I know about these.

He hasn't looked into them a lot but he will be now.

805 Guanxi88  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 8:14:35pm

re: #800 albusteve

don't these fuckers have volleyball pits and bake sales?

Yeah, I gotta admit - it's not the way I'd spend an afternoon, not when there's lawn bowling to be done.

Bocce, anyone?

806 Donna Ballard  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 8:14:39pm

Hope you all enjoy the seekrit garden pics I posted, gonna go now, see you all later. Keep Laughing Everyone!

807 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 8:14:43pm

re: #789 Mr Pancakes

Opeth is metal!

There's a fantastic song OSI (prog supergroup) did called Stockholm, where akerfeldt from Opeth sings, starts out all Radiohead/Floyd, then gets into this badass angular mathrock groove


Youtube Video
808 Gus  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 8:14:45pm

Looks like we have a spammer trying to sell Louis Vuitton mens shoes...

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

809 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 8:14:57pm

re: #763 jamesfirecat

Maybe it should notice the characters are carrying weapons and scream something about "END THE WAR!"

That's a good start. Keep going a little more.

810 Mocking Jay  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 8:15:22pm

re: #797 Guanxi88

Burning a Quran is a deeply foolish and wrong-headed thing to do; would that they'd find some other outlet for their passions.

in bed.

811 Sheepdogess  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 8:15:26pm

Maybe they should burn a bible instead?

812 jaunte  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 8:15:36pm

re: #800 albusteve

They've probably seen all the press attention Fred Phelps and his band of crazies get.

813 darthstar  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 8:15:42pm

re: #787 Guanxi88

Darthstar's Cinco de Mayo party is chiseled into the Mayan Long-Count Calendar. He visited a psychic once, to warn her.

Darthstar is the most interesting Lizard you know.

Best Cinco de Mayo party I ever went to...we had pinatas, and when we broke them open, they were full of condoms. I never considered myself that big of a partier, but in retrospect, I did have some fun times...I'm much more settled down now, though. But everyone's cut loose at least once in their lives.

814 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 8:15:53pm

re: #808 Gus 802

Looks like we have a spammer trying to sell Louis Vuitton mens shoes...

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Lemme know when he's pimping some Chuck Taylors.

815 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 8:15:57pm

re: #800 albusteve

don't these fuckers have volleyball pits and bake sales?

They seem to spend the rest of their time pressing their flock into indentured servitude selling furniture on ebay, real weird stuff going on with those Dove Outreach people

816 Guanxi88  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 8:16:10pm

re: #810 JasonA

in bed.

It could solve many problems, both social and personal, for so many people. That's why I'm like Gandhi over here.

817 Mocking Jay  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 8:16:37pm

re: #811 Sheepdogess

Maybe they should burn a bible instead?

Psst.
Not the answer.

818 Gus  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 8:16:38pm

re: #814 Cannadian Club Akbar

Lemme know when he's pimping some Chuck Taylors.

Let's see...true religion jeans/ed hardy purses/links of london necklaces bracelet/louis vuitton mens shoes...

Nope, no Chuck Taylors.

/

819 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 8:16:44pm

re: #811 Sheepdogess

Maybe they should burn a bible instead?

That would fit too, given their evident lack of real Christian faith.

820 albusteve  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 8:17:06pm

re: #805 Guanxi88

Yeah, I gotta admit - it's not the way I'd spend an afternoon, not when there's lawn bowling to be done.

Bocce, anyone?

I don't give a shit about the adults, it's the kids indoctrination that disturbs me...they should be into pussy and fast cars

821 Guanxi88  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 8:17:36pm

re: #820 albusteve

I don't give a shit about the adults, it's the kids indoctrination that disturbs me...they should be into pussy and fast cars

Not at the same time, of course.

822 prairiefire  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 8:17:42pm

re: #813 darthstar

Once or twice.

823 darthstar  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 8:17:59pm

re: #797 Guanxi88

Burning a Quran is a deeply foolish and wrong-headed thing to do; would that they'd find some other outlet for their passions.

At a minimum, it's an illustration of just how ignorant people are.

824 Obdicut  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 8:18:12pm

re: #808 Gus 802

How utterly goddamn random.

825 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 8:18:44pm

re: #818 Gus 802

Let's see...true religion jeans/ed hardy purses/links of london necklaces bracelet/louis vuitton mens shoes...

Nope, no Chuck Taylors.

/

I have a pair of:
Chucks
Rockports
Columbia canvas
Rebock
Nike.

826 prairiefire  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 8:18:47pm

re: #807 WindUpBird

Nine Inch Nails, also.

827 albusteve  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 8:19:11pm

re: #821 Guanxi88

Not at the same time, of course.

sure, right

828 Guanxi88  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 8:19:55pm

re: #825 Cannadian Club Akbar

I have a pair of:
Chucks
Rockports
Columbia canvas
Rebock
Nike.

Any Adidas?

Youtube Video
829 engineer cat  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 8:19:55pm

re: #821 Guanxi88
re: #820 albusteve

I don't give a shit about the adults, it's the kids indoctrination that disturbs me...they should be into pussy and fast cars

Not at the same time, of course.

i never get to have any fun

830 b_sharp  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 8:19:59pm

re: #821 Guanxi88

Not at the same time, of course.

Why not?

831 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 8:20:19pm

re: #786 Floral Giraffe

Sent you a mail...

answered!

832 Guanxi88  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 8:20:39pm

re: #830 b_sharp

Why not?

Makes signalling difficult.

833 Lidane  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 8:20:40pm

re: #821 Guanxi88

Not at the same time, of course.

Not while driving, of course, but generally the fast car is used to get the rest. ;)

834 Obdicut  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 8:20:42pm

Whoah. Also a total asshole in an old, old thread.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

835 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 8:21:02pm

re: #814 Cannadian Club Akbar

Lemme know when he's pimping some Chuck Taylors.

Now that's some desperate marketing. OMG. Charles mentioned blocking New Delhi over this kind of crap. I assume you reported it?

836 jamesfirecat  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 8:21:02pm

re: #803 Dark_Falcon

Greater Minions:

The Mad Bomber (2)

The Mad Bomber wears glass and looks somewhat ordinary. At one time, he was associated with the Great Obama-Rama, but the Great OR was not part of the Bomber's evil deeds seen here, and the association broke off prior to Obama-Rama's becoming a Political Demi-God.

Armor: None. The Bomber is sneaky and evasive.

Spell:
Hippie Rage: The Mad Bomber riles up the hippies, who in the next turn inflict 50% more damage to any attacks they make.

Weapons:

Nail Bombs: Every turn the Mad Bomber may emplace a bomb. These explode after a number of turns secretly determined by the Dungeon Master. When they explode, any creature (player or enemy) within 3 hexes takes 6D6 damage (no save possible). Players may attempt to use the Disarm Trap Skill to disarm a bomb, but the bomb exploded if the Skill roll fails.

Club of Condensation: 2D4 Damage. The Mad Bomber only uses this if players close with him, his bombs and spell are his main weapons.

Special: The Mad Bomber has the Evade Skill rating of a Level 25 foe, representing his skill at weaseling out of trouble.

Author Note: Don't take this minion as slam on Obama, the only person being slammed is the one being charactitured.


At one time, he was associated with the Great Obama-Rama, but the Great OR was not part of the Bomber's evil deeds seen here, and the association broke off prior to Obama-Rama's becoming a Political Demi-God.

The problem with this is that the reverse is true.

Its not that OR became friends with the Mad Bomber before he went mad, or Obama became famous, but they met after the Mad Bomber was no longer mad....

The problem is you can't really work that into a story unless someone can see the future can you?

837 Digital Display  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 8:21:35pm

re: #825 Cannadian Club Akbar

I have a pair of:
Chucks
Rockports
Columbia canvas
Rebock
Nike.

No New Balance running shoes?
Are you nuts?
/

838 Obdicut  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 8:21:49pm

re: #836 jamesfirecat

Obama-Rama can't see the future?

I done been lied to!

839 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 8:22:16pm

re: #837 HoosierHoops

No New Balance running shoes?
Are you nuts?
/

I only run when chased.;)

840 prairiefire  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 8:22:33pm

re: #829 engineer dog

re: #820 albusteve

I don't give a shit about the adults, it's the kids indoctrination that disturbs me...they should be into pussy and fast cars

i never get to have any fun

Work Harder.

841 Obdicut  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 8:22:38pm

re: #837 HoosierHoops

I only get New Balance for my sneakers.

Great company.

842 albusteve  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 8:22:38pm

re: #838 Obdicut

Obama-Rama can't see the future?

I done been lied to!

not lied to, just drooled on

843 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 8:22:53pm

re: #835 Rightwingconspirator

Now that's some desperate marketing. OMG. Charles mentioned blocking New Delhi over this kind of crap. I assume you reported it?

Gus caught it.

844 Kronocide  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 8:23:07pm

re: #834 Obdicut

Whoah. Also a total asshole in an old, old thread.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Note sent to Stinky.

845 Obdicut  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 8:23:30pm

re: #842 albusteve

Did drool form a really important part of your life at some point or something? Was there some drooly mastiff that bit you when you were a kid?

It is the weirdest goddamn fixation of yours.

846 Lidane  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 8:23:42pm

re: #823 darthstar

At a minimum, it's an illustration of just how ignorant people are.

I think of it as a medical miracle. Think about it-- the mouth-breathers planning on burning these books somehow manage to dress and feed themselves. That's quite an accomplishment considering their mental limitations. =P

847 jaunte  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 8:23:44pm

re: #834 Obdicut

Whoah. Also a total asshole in an old, old thread.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

[Link: whois.domaintools.com...]

848 Mocking Jay  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 8:24:02pm

re: #834 Obdicut

Whoah. Also a total asshole in an old, old thread.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Why was I not invited to the "masturbatorium?"

pout

849 Obdicut  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 8:24:47pm

re: #848 JasonA

Why was I not invited to the "masturbatorium?"

pout

You make everyone else feel inadequate.

850 Guanxi88  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 8:24:49pm

re: #848 JasonA

Why was I not invited to the "masturbatorium?"

pout

Problem is, that the folk who know the way can't lead you there. Blind, you know, and you dare not hold their hands.

851 prairiefire  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 8:25:10pm

re: #846 Lidane

I find it a sad commentary on our general public education system.

852 albusteve  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 8:25:13pm

re: #845 Obdicut

Did drool form a really important part of your life at some point or something? Was there some drooly mastiff that bit you when you were a kid?

It is the weirdest goddamn fixation of yours.

it's not a fixation...are you one of these guys?
[Link: www.latimes.com...]

853 jamesfirecat  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 8:25:21pm

re: #809 Dark_Falcon

That's a good start. Keep going a little more.

Fine (Pained sigh) Let me put on my crazy hat....

"DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY DEFENCELESS GOBLIN YOUNG ARE SPEARED EVERY YEAR BY PALADINS? DO YOU??!!! DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY BUGBEAR ADOLESCENTS ARE BURNED ALIVE BY WITCH HUNTERS? DO YOU HAVE IT IN YOUR BLACKENED CLOSED HEARTS TO REALIZE HOW MANY HELPLESS VAMPIRES ARE HEARTLESSLY IMPALED SIMPLY BECAUSE THEY REQUIRE A HEMOGLOBIN HEAVY DIET?

THEY'RE NOT THE MONSTERS! YOU'RE THE MONSTERS!


Is that good?

854 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 8:25:25pm

re: #836 jamesfirecat

At one time, he was associated with the Great Obama-Rama, but the Great OR was not part of the Bomber's evil deeds seen here, and the association broke off prior to Obama-Rama's becoming a Political Demi-God.

The problem with this is that the reverse is true.

Its not that OR became friends with the Mad Bomber before he went mad, or Obama became famous, but they met after the Mad Bomber was no longer mad...

The problem is you can't really work that into a story unless someone can see the future can you?

Think of it this way: The "Spirit of '68 reverts the Greater Minions to what they were at that time, though they retain their knowledge of who they've become. Hence Bill Ayers becomes the "Mad Bomber". It's a weird trick, but on intended to pound on him while not dragging Obama into it.

855 Gus  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 8:25:29pm

re: #847 jaunte

[Link: whois.domaintools.com...]

Chinlee!

/

856 Mocking Jay  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 8:25:44pm

re: #849 Obdicut

You make everyone else feel inadequate.

re: #850 Guanxi88

Problem is, that the folk who know the way can't lead you there. Blind, you know, and you dare not hold their hands.

I like Obdi's answer better.

857 Obdicut  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 8:25:56pm

re: #847 jaunte

Ah. Chinese spammer probably looking to scam credit card info.

The modern world is so wonderful.

858 Guanxi88  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 8:26:40pm

re: #856 JasonA

I like Obdi's answer better.

Obdi's still a starry-eyed youth. Give him a few years......

859 albusteve  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 8:26:49pm

re: #851 prairiefire

I find it a sad commentary on our general public education system.

we are raising a generation of dopes...public ed sucks

860 Lidane  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 8:26:55pm

re: #851 prairiefire

I find it a sad commentary on our general public education system.

Yet another example of the failures of No Child Left Behind?

861 jaunte  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 8:27:10pm

re: #855 Gus 802

Juan (Chen) is the roneriest number.

862 prairiefire  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 8:27:21pm

re: #853 jamesfirecat

Fine (Pained sigh) Let me put on my crazy hat...

"DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY DEFENCELESS GOBLIN YOUNG ARE SPEARED EVERY YEAR BY PALADINS? DO YOU??!!! DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY BUGBEAR ADOLESCENTS ARE BURNED ALIVE BY WITCH HUNTERS? DO YOU HAVE IT IN YOUR BLACKENED CLOSED HEARTS TO REALIZE HOW MANY HELPLESS VAMPIRES ARE HEARTLESSLY IMPALED SIMPLY BECAUSE THEY REQUIRE A HEMOGLOBIN HEAVY DIET?

THEY'RE NOT THE MONSTERS! YOU'RE THE MONSTERS!

Is that good?

That was wonderful.

863 Obdicut  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 8:27:50pm

re: #853 jamesfirecat

"You call it chaotic, I call it creative!"

Hmmm... I'm seeing some sort of sitcom here, featuring a lawful good paladin trying to live with the chaotic neutral cleric he loves.

864 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 8:28:01pm

re: #859 albusteve

we are raising a generation of dopes...public ed sucks

My dad used to tell me he was gonna be arrested for raising dope. Not kidding.

865 jamesfirecat  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 8:28:31pm

re: #854 Dark_Falcon

Think of it this way: The "Spirit of '68 reverts the Greater Minions to what they were at that time, though they retain their knowledge of who they've become. Hence Bill Ayers becomes the "Mad Bomber". It's a weird trick, but on intended to pound on him while not dragging Obama into it.

I'd suggest you just don't bring Obama-Rama into it. That or suggest that this is an evil spirit that possessed the "mad bomber" and he eventually cast out before meeting with Obama-Rama, but now the spirit itself is somehow powerful enough to generate a ghastly form for itself....

866 Mocking Jay  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 8:28:42pm

re: #864 Cannadian Club Akbar

My dad used to tell me he was gonna be arrested for raising dope. Not kidding.

Sounds like something you pulled off of "shit my dad says."

867 albusteve  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 8:29:20pm

re: #864 Cannadian Club Akbar

My dad used to tell me he was gonna be arrested for raising dope. Not kidding.

well, you're here so you get a pass

868 Obdicut  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 8:29:20pm

re: #866 JasonA

Sounds like something you pulled off of "shit my dad says."

Actually, that dad would see that as overambituous on the part of his son, from what I've read.

869 engineer cat  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 8:29:21pm

dems satirize bag party republicans with

Republican Tea Party Contract On America

870 prairiefire  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 8:30:47pm

re: #860 Lidane

I think these right wing activist folks graduated long before 2001. I was hoping for a higher level of overall intelligence, I guess.

871 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 8:30:54pm

re: #866 JasonA

Sounds like something you pulled off of "shit my dad says."

Actually, my sense of humor comes from my dad's side. He was funny.

872 Mocking Jay  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 8:30:55pm

re: #869 engineer dog

dems satirize bag party republicans with

Republican Tea Party Contract On America

Meh. Colbert does it better.

873 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 8:31:00pm

re: #853 jamesfirecat

Fine (Pained sigh) Let me put on my crazy hat...

"DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY DEFENCELESS GOBLIN YOUNG ARE SPEARED EVERY YEAR BY PALADINS? DO YOU??!!! DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY BUGBEAR ADOLESCENTS ARE BURNED ALIVE BY WITCH HUNTERS? DO YOU HAVE IT IN YOUR BLACKENED CLOSED HEARTS TO REALIZE HOW MANY HELPLESS VAMPIRES ARE HEARTLESSLY IMPALED SIMPLY BECAUSE THEY REQUIRE A HEMOGLOBIN HEAVY DIET?

THEY'RE NOT THE MONSTERS! YOU'RE THE MONSTERS!

Is that good?

Perfect! Favorited, and added. Bravo, James!

874 Guanxi88  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 8:31:50pm

I think I'll call it a night.

(Guanxi88 wings off to bed, borne aloft on the wings of the mighty Thunderbird, trailing clouds of what initially appears to be glory, but turns out in fact to be smoke wafting from the bowl of his corncob pipe, fully loaded down with his home-grown, home-processed 'baccy.)

875 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 8:33:08pm

re: #871 Cannadian Club Akbar

Actually, my sense of humor comes from my dad's side. He was funny.

He was?

876 b_sharp  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 8:33:37pm

re: #832 Guanxi88

Makes signalling difficult.

You're supposed to signal?

Who knew?

877 Lidane  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 8:34:09pm

Completely OT, but I found this amusing. It's a Toy Story 3/Inception mash-up:

Youtube Video

Heh.

878 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 8:34:25pm

re: #875 Walter L. Newton

He was?

Yes. Now he is on my sister's mantle. Not as funny.:)

879 prairiefire  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 8:34:41pm

re: #875 Walter L. Newton

His Australian grandpa on his Polish side helped to invent penicillin.

880 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 8:35:07pm

re: #678 Floral Giraffe
I can not say as I blame them for protecting their natural heritage. Some species probably should have the country of origin in the technical designation. Heh, D_L shows me these names of species, and I want to call Cato for a translation! Anyway I have now looked at a bunch of Orchid photography. A lot of it just begs for less glare, plants have a ton of specular light. I can up the game there a bit.

881 b_sharp  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 8:35:09pm

re: #834 Obdicut

Whoah. Also a total asshole in an old, old thread.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Well, we do have to store the total assholes somewhere.

882 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 8:35:33pm

re: #879 prairiefire

His Australian grandpa on his Polish side helped to invent penicillin.

True. Thanks.

883 Mocking Jay  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 8:35:49pm

Colbert's going off on Obama for missing the Boy Scout event.

"Every President in the last hundred years has gone!

Except twelve of them..."

884 jamesfirecat  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 8:36:50pm

re: #873 Dark_Falcon

Perfect! Favorited, and added. Bravo, James!

It helps that when you think about it D&D is a sort of racist world isn't it? I mean, is a lawful good paladin acting in tune with their alignment if they kill off a bunch of young goblins?

If they find White Dragon eggs are they suppose to turn them into omelets?

Granted that's sort of the point of the Iron Dream isn't it?

885 b_sharp  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 8:37:15pm

re: #846 Lidane

I think of it as a medical miracle. Think about it-- the mouth-breathers planning on burning these books somehow manage to dress and feed themselves. That's quite an accomplishment considering their mental limitations. =P

Dress and feeding instructions are contained in their monthly handbook.

886 prairiefire  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 8:38:11pm

re: #882 Cannadian Club Akbar

Oh, no. Thank you. I think I mentioned my chronic ear infections as a child. Miracle of modern science, that.

887 jamesfirecat  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 8:38:20pm

re: #883 JasonA

Colbert's going off on Obama for missing the Boy Scout event.

"Every President in the last hundred years has gone!

Except twelve of them..."

Including a certain President Ronald Wilson somebody or other...

888 Kronocide  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 8:38:50pm

Went from D&D to cocaine now back to D&D. I am totally freakin lost.

If you don't stop I'm going to start discussing Quickbooks and scotch vs tequila. At the same time.

889 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 8:38:55pm

re: #747 reine.de.tout
Darn shame there is no good way to capture that gas. Oh well. No more kabooms!

890 Mocking Jay  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 8:39:07pm

Colbert on the expiration of the Bush tax cuts:

"A tax bomb! Quick, rich people! To your tax shelters!"

891 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 8:39:32pm

re: #886 prairiefire

Oh, no. Thank you. I think I mentioned my chronic ear infections as a child. Miracle of modern science, that.

I think brains skip MANY generations.

892 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 8:39:54pm

re: #880 Rightwingconspirator

Sending you a link for REALLY good photography.

893 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 8:40:31pm

re: #319 Obdicut

Where have you seen hundreds of US flags being burned?

I live in San Francisco and work near Berkeley and I've never seen a single one burned.

I've seen an Israeli flag being burned in SF. US one, no.

894 Mr Pancakes  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 8:42:55pm

re: #807 WindUpBird

Opeth is metal!

There's a fantastic song OSI (prog supergroup) did called Stockholm, where akerfeldt from Opeth sings, starts out all Radiohead/Floyd, then gets into this badass angular mathrock groove

[Video]

Yea I liked it WUB.......... thanks.

Check out Diablo Swing Orchestra if you want to hear something completely metal weird. Flamingo, jazz, death metal, opera all mixed up.

Youtube Video
895 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 8:43:00pm

re: #340 engineer dog

wingnut political theory: united states not a democracy:

And Article IV Section 4 cleary describes the country as a republic not a democracy. "The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government."

obviously, the original intent of the funding, uh, i mean founding fathers was for republicans, not democrats, to run the government

Mother of God. They can't be that dumb.

896 Mocking Jay  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 8:43:45pm

re: #895 SanFranciscoZionist

Mother of God.

Turn in your Jew card.

///

897 b_sharp  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 8:44:35pm

re: #888 BigPapa

Went from D&D to cocaine now back to D&D. I am totally freakin lost.

If you don't stop I'm going to start discussing Quickbooks and scotch vs tequila. At the same time.

Please, not Quickbooks.

898 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 8:45:19pm

re: #886 prairiefire

The girlfriend and I took a scenic tour today, west/south on 285 to Fairplay (I played a horse doctor in a film that was shot in the old mining town at Fairplay, it was a absurd David Lynch type film, I sold "horse toothbrushes"), north on 9 over the pass to Breckinridge, over to 70 and back east to Evergreen, and over on 74 to Conifer... some of the territory you covered a few weeks ago. Nice day, we stopped at some antique stores, I purchased some bits and pieces of jewelry I can take apart and use for crafting other items, found some stone, ended up with a greek pizza in Georgetown.

Thought of you and the family.

899 freetoken  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 8:46:45pm

re: #895 SanFranciscoZionist

Mother of God. They can't be that dumb.

I was going to write up a Pages entry on the new Iowa GOP Platform, but was so overwhelmed by the task I put it off.

Yes, not only are they that "dumb", it's actually worse.

For example, they want schools to buy creationism books and put them in their libraries/book resources, for use in science class.

900 prairiefire  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 8:47:27pm

re: #891 Cannadian Club Akbar

Eh. This fellow is an uncle of mine. I feel pretty far removed, intellectually: [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

901 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 8:48:42pm

re: #865 jamesfirecat

I'd suggest you just don't bring Obama-Rama into it. That or suggest that this is an evil spirit that possessed the "mad bomber" and he eventually cast out before meeting with Obama-Rama, but now the spirit itself is somehow powerful enough to generate a ghastly form for itself...

Lemme think on that one.

Greater Minion

The Trusted Deceiver (3)

This Minion is a news man who pushes his own angle. He mostly hangs back and spouts from a distance. His words consistently paint the players as losing the battle, whatever the truth really is.

Armor: Journalistic Prestige (reduces player attacks by 40%).

Spells:

Deceptive Broadcast: TD tries to convince players that they are doomed (stopped by a save). If this spell succeeds against a player, the player is dishearten and his attacks only do 1/2 damage for two turns.

"He's Evil!": TD attempts to turn players against each other. A save can block this spell but if it fails the effected player turns on a player character attacks him or her for 1D3 turns.

Weapon:

Sound Amplified Shout: 2 hex range into forward three hexes. 1D6 damage and player is stunned (save prevents stun).

Big Media Stick: 2D6 Damage (halved by a save).

Special: The Trusted Deceiver is gravely wrong, but not evil. If any Hippies or Wealth Eaters are killed by stray shots from a minion or from the Mad Bombers bombs, the players may attempt a negotiation roll next turn to convince TW that he is in error. The roll has a +3 additional target modifier, but if it succeeds TD realizes his error, tells the truth and waits out the rest of the battle from a corner (narrating the battle honestly from that point on). The player who makes the successful roll gains +25 Karma Points.

902 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 8:50:07pm

re: #900 prairiefire

Eh. This fellow is an uncle of mine. I feel pretty far removed, intellectually: [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

I notice the resemblance... uncanny :)

903 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 8:52:28pm

re: #902 Walter L. Newton

I notice the resemblance... uncanny :)

I call BS. Prairefire has a soul patch.
/

904 jamesfirecat  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 8:52:36pm

re: #901 Dark_Falcon

Lemme think on that one.

Greater Minion

The Trusted Deceiver (3)

This Minion is a news man who pushes his own angle. He mostly hangs back and spouts from a distance. His words consistently paint the players as losing the battle, whatever the truth really is.

Armor: Journalistic Prestige (reduces player attacks by 40%).

Spells:

Deceptive Broadcast: TD tries to convince players that they are doomed (stopped by a save). If this spell succeeds against a player, the player is dishearten and his attacks only do 1/2 damage for two turns.

"He's Evil!": TD attempts to turn players against each other. A save can block this spell but if it fails the effected player turns on a player character attacks him or her for 1D3 turns.

Weapon:

Sound Amplified Shout: 2 hex range into forward three hexes. 1D6 damage and player is stunned (save prevents stun).

Big Media Stick: 2D6 Damage (halved by a save).

Special: The Trusted Deceiver is gravely wrong, but not evil. If any Hippies or Wealth Eaters are killed by stray shots from a minion or from the Mad Bombers bombs, the players may attempt a negotiation roll next turn to convince TW that he is in error. The roll has a +3 additional target modifier, but if it succeeds TD realizes his error, tells the truth and waits out the rest of the battle from a corner (narrating the battle honestly from that point on). The player who makes the successful roll gains +25 Karma Points.

By the way, you're eventually going to compile all of these into... well something that's a lot more easily readable than several posts across multiple different threads, right?

905 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 8:52:57pm

re: #903 Cannadian Club Akbar

I call BS. Prairefire has a soul patch.
/

A what?

906 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 8:53:03pm

Greater Minionre: #904 jamesfirecat

By the way, you're eventually going to compile all of these into... well something that's a lot more easily readable than several posts across multiple different threads, right?

I'm gonna try.

907 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 8:53:39pm

re: #906 Dark_Falcon

Oops.

908 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 8:53:55pm

re: #905 Walter L. Newton

A what?

[Link: menshair.about.com...]

909 prairiefire  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 8:54:33pm

re: #898 Walter L. Newton

Hey! Two of my daughter's friends on FaceBook said they also took family vacations to CO. Such pretty countryside only a day's drive away.
We had a great time. I will send you some copies of photos of the Mercantile along with the gold pan, soon.

910 darthstar  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 8:54:36pm

Goldline under investigation...

[Link: www.ritholtz.com...]

911 Mocking Jay  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 8:54:37pm

I just saw this on Colbert. It's like Norm from Cheers running for office...

Youtube Video
912 jordash1212  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 8:54:45pm

And they have just no idea how Islam, Christianity, and Judaism are based off one another. Unbelievable.

913 prairiefire  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 8:55:27pm

re: #903 Cannadian Club Akbar

I call BS. Prairefire has a soul patch.
/

Now, that is what NAIR id for.

914 prairiefire  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 8:55:51pm

re: #913 prairiefire

is for
Also, tweezers.

915 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 8:55:54pm

re: #905 Walter L. Newton

A what?

It's a stupid-looking hair fluff like a mustache, but on the chin below the lower lip instead of under the nose. Like Apolo Ono has on his face.

916 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 8:56:09pm

re: #910 darthstar

Goldline under investigation...

[Link: www.ritholtz.com...]

They have no chalkboard. This is dead to me.
//

917 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 8:56:33pm

re: #909 prairiefire

Hey! Two of my daughter's friends on FaceBook said they also took family vacations to CO. Such pretty countryside only a day's drive away.
We had a great time. I will send you some copies of photos of the Mercantile along with the gold pan, soon.

At your leisure.

918 Mocking Jay  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 8:56:35pm

re: #915 Alouette

It's a stupid-looking hair fluff like a mustache, but on the chin below the lower lip instead of under the nose. Like Apolo Ono has on his face.

I had one for a while. :(

919 darthstar  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 8:56:36pm

re: #913 prairiefire

Now, that is what NAIR id for.

You wear short shorts?

Youtube Video
920 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 8:57:14pm

re: #918 JasonA

I had one for a while. :(

You are a fan of Apolo Ono?

921 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 8:57:50pm

re: #920 Alouette

You are a fan of Apolo Ono?

USA!! USA!!

922 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 8:57:59pm

re: #915 Alouette

It's a stupid-looking hair fluff like a mustache, but on the chin below the lower lip instead of under the nose. Like Apolo Ono has on his face.

Oh.. yea... got it... what an Apolo Ono? (I really don't know, I'll google it)

923 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 8:58:29pm

re: #922 Walter L. Newton

Oh.. yea... got it... what an Apolo Ono? (I really don't know, I'll google it)

U.S. Olympic short track speed skater.

924 Mocking Jay  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 8:58:56pm

re: #920 Alouette

You are a fan of Apolo Ono?

Not a clue who he is. Had a soul patch, though.

925 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 8:59:11pm

re: #923 Alouette

U.S. Olympic short track speed skater.

Got it...

926 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 9:00:04pm

re: #923 Alouette

U.S. Olympic short track speed skater.

Didn't he set a medals record?

927 prairiefire  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 9:00:05pm

re: #922 Walter L. Newton

Oh.. yea... got it... what an Apolo Ono? (I really don't know, I'll google it)

He is Amer-Asian, Walter. Like my kids.

Night, lizards.

928 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 9:02:37pm

re: #927 prairiefire

He is Amer-Asian, Walter. Like my kids.

Night, lizards.

Like your very smart kids. I enjoyed their intelligent questions. I like kids who like rocks... and science... and don't kick me in the shins. Night.

929 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 9:03:53pm

Grilled Mahi with tarragon, marjoram, dill and fennel with homemade pesto = yum

930 darthstar  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 9:05:34pm

re: #929 Killgore Trout

Grilled Mahi with tarragon, marjoram, dill and fennel with homemade pesto = yum

Grilled flat-iron with a salad wedge here...it was quite satisfying.

931 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 9:07:51pm

re: #929 Killgore Trout

Grilled Mahi with tarragon, marjoram, dill and fennel with homemade pesto = yum

Tonight I experimented with stuffed chicken breast and pork chops. Both stuffed with baby Swiss and prosciutto, topped with a lemon wine/ butter cream/ mushroom/ chimmichurri sauce.

932 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 9:07:53pm

re: #929 Killgore Trout

Saturday night I cook for D_L and 3 other women. We tend to challenge one another in the kitchen. My turn tio impress. They all can cook really well. I am seriously thinking Coq Au Vin. That or shrimp and scallops marinated in champagne & then sauteed and reducing the champagne. On pasta.

933 tnguitarist  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 9:09:11pm

re: #911 JasonA

It's the buzz around these parts. Personally, I can't get enough of it.

934 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 9:09:50pm

re: #932 Rightwingconspirator

Make fresh pasta. It's a crowd pleaser.

935 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 9:10:29pm

re: #934 Killgore Trout

Good idea. I never have but it appears doable.

936 jamesfirecat  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 9:10:39pm

re: #906 Dark_Falcon

Greater Minion

I'm gonna try.

By the way is there a history behind the spirit of 68 that is going to get read loudly and ominously to the players as they enter this particular room?

Because if you haven't already come up with something let me give you a good suggestion.

"This unholy relic flickers with countless colors in a perverse, near blinding display of fashion, altering shades too quickly for your eyes to follow, its almost painful for you to look straight at it. This... can only be... The Spirit of 68! Once long before the army of Libralis proudly road into battle with the spirit flapping freely before them, as a symbol of all they stood for. However, they came to realize that it was not they who channeled the spirit's power, but instead the Spirit which was manipulating them! The spirit thrives on suffering, and specializes in transforming suffering into anger, even at those who are not to blame. Thus did the army of Libralis under the spirits control wreck horrible destruction upon the world. After coming to the realization however the army unable to destroy the Spirit Banished it to this tomb, befpre the army of Libralis went on to do what it could to make up for the pain it caused while under the Spirit's influence. As for the Spirit, it has languished in this dank dark cave by itself its only companions are pale mockeries of its once most famous servants with no one to make suffer, until you entered the room.......

How does that sound to you DF?

937 Mocking Jay  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 9:11:19pm

re: #933 tnguitarist

It's the buzz around these parts. Personally, I can't get enough of it.

On the one hand I do like the idea that they'll give all the candidates air time.

On the other... oh boy.

938 Mr Pancakes  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 9:12:27pm

re: #912 jordash1212

And they have just no idea how Islam, Christianity, and Judaism are based off one another. Unbelievable.

Christians are happy that out of the three, they can eat bacon, lobster, and shrimp.

939 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 9:15:27pm

Good night all.

940 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 9:16:32pm

Greater Minion

Evil Cult Leader (4)

The Dungeon Master should tailor this minion's appearance to whatever seem "trustworthy" to the players. This Minion will try to convert players to his side, and attack any he cannot sway.

Armor: Vestments of Lies (+1 Difficulty to all attacks made against this character.)

Spells:

Conversion: Cult Leader tries to win over player character (blocked by a save). If this succeeds, the player character turns on the party and fights by the side of Evil Cult Leader. Once a player is turned, he can only be freed by killing ECL. This spell can only be attempted once per player character.

Summon Cultists (every other turn): Summons 1D3 Cultists (Level 10 Followers) into the chamber. These are armed with Machetes. If ECL is killed, they will leave, as they are bound to him more than the Spirit.

Weapons:

UZI: 2D6 damage, 1-6 round bursts (starting with the second round of a burst, add +1 difficulty to hit for every other round (i.e. at 2, 4, and 6 rounds fired)).

Sword of Untruth: 3D6 damage (halved by a save).

Special: Players may attempt to use the Debunk Spell on Evil Cult Leader. If the spell casting succeeds, both of ECL's spells are blocked for the rest of the battle. If the spell casting fails, convert all active Hippies to Cultists.


Victory: Players have won once the Spirit of '68 and all active Greater Minions have been defeated.

Soul Gem: A tableau showing terrified Middle and Upper class people is the vessel by which PALINDROME draws Bad Craziness energy from this room.

There is no Treasure in this room.


Join us next time for the Vault of the Golden Waters and a battle featuring Zombie Reagan.

941 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 9:17:02pm

re: #939 wlewisiii

Good night all.

My next location will be...

In Bed.

942 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 9:17:36pm

re: #932 Rightwingconspirator

Saturday night I cook for D_L and 3 other women. We tend to challenge one another in the kitchen. My turn tio impress. They all can cook really well. I am seriously thinking Coq Au Vin. That or shrimp and scallops marinated in champagne & then sauteed and reducing the champagne. On pasta.

Go to page 68 in Volume 1 and make the crabmeat au gratin.

Seriously. Good. Stuff.

Serve with a green salad and crusty french bread.

943 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 9:18:00pm

re: #936 jamesfirecat

By the way is there a history behind the spirit of 68 that is going to get read loudly and ominously to the players as they enter this particular room?

Because if you haven't already come up with something let me give you a good suggestion.

"This unholy relic flickers with countless colors in a perverse, near blinding display of fashion, altering shades too quickly for your eyes to follow, its almost painful for you to look straight at it. This... can only be... The Spirit of 68! Once long before the army of Libralis proudly road into battle with the spirit flapping freely before them, as a symbol of all they stood for. However, they came to realize that it was not they who channeled the spirit's power, but instead the Spirit which was manipulating them! The spirit thrives on suffering, and specializes in transforming suffering into anger, even at those who are not to blame. Thus did the army of Libralis under the spirits control wreck horrible destruction upon the world. After coming to the realization however the army unable to destroy the Spirit Banished it to this tomb, befpre the army of Libralis went on to do what it could to make up for the pain it caused while under the Spirit's influence. As for the Spirit, it has languished in this dank dark cave by itself its only companions are pale mockeries of its once most famous servants with no one to make suffer, until you entered the room...

How does that sound to you DF?

Superb! That's Pitch Perfect!

944 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 9:22:02pm

Alright food geeks (and regular ones), nighty.

945 Mr Pancakes  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 9:22:56pm

Just a random video.

Hey I grew up with these guys.

Youtube Video
946 jamesfirecat  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 9:25:35pm

re: #943 Dark_Falcon

Superb! That's Pitch Perfect!

No problem, it feels a lot better now that I've written that out, since its worth pointing out that the Spirit of 68 is no longer what the Democratic party should be about, so I shouldn't let it get to me, anymore than I would an argument that Democrats were the party of the KKK when it was first founded....

947 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 9:29:58pm

re: #946 jamesfirecat

No problem, it feels a lot better now that I've written that out, since its worth pointing out that the Spirit of 68 is no longer what the Democratic party should be about, so I shouldn't let it get to me, anymore than I would an argument that Democrats were the party of the KKK when it was first founded...

You've got a point, and it was very well made. Thanks for your help with this one. I needed to do an Encounter that gave play to the Bad Craziness the Left has had, but my political bias made skewed my views towards the simplistic. You made the Big Bad much more interesting. The next battle is with the Right's problems, and the last before the climax is aimed at politics more generally.

948 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 9:30:06pm

re: #932 Rightwingconspirator

What time should I be there?
LOL!
//

949 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 9:35:50pm

re: #642 webevintage

Why do so many small Southern towns with populations of 500 have 10 Baptist churches?!
That's the question I've always had...

It all started when Pastor Williams interpreted Genesis 3:13 at the church picnic...that was back in 1843...

950 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 9:39:18pm

re: #783 Obdicut

I'd freak out if the Torah was being burned, because I understand that as a hostile message of persecution and hatred towards Jews.

I fully understand any Muslims who feel unsafe in the community where this occur.

Ditto.

951 jamesfirecat  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 9:40:06pm

re: #947 Dark_Falcon

You've got a point, and it was very well made. Thanks for your help with this one. I needed to do an Encounter that gave play to the Bad Craziness the Left has had, but my political bias made skewed my views towards the simplistic. You made the Big Bad much more interesting. The next battle is with the Right's problems, and the last before the climax is aimed at politics more generally.

Here's a hint on what's the mater with politics more generally....

Youtube Video

Sorry after something as heavy as this turned out to be, I felt that a little jib jab that everyone can agree on was well suited for the occassion.


I won't argue that my own political biases probably skew my views a little, but I feel that yeah just having hippies jump at you out of nowhere because a piece of fabric senses that you're sane, it's a little Reefer Madness if you get my drift.

Anyways I could go on and on about comparing the bad crazy of the left and of the right but lets leave that as is for the moment, I think the entire using "Black Panther" thugs thing may be in a bit of bad taste given the recent NBP outrageous outrage (hippies you can mock to your hearts content since they've saftely become politically irelevant) so I guess if you had to replace them, you could use possibly use Vietcong mooks preying upon the foolishness of the Spirit of 68's other servants.....

952 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 9:41:02pm

re: #817 JasonA

Psst.
Not the answer.

Although there was some small whacky Christian group a few months back that was having a Bible burning for all the translations they didn't like.

953 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 9:43:55pm

re: #951 jamesfirecat

Here's a hint on what's the mater with politics more generally...


[Video]Sorry after something as heavy as this turned out to be, I felt that a little jib jab that everyone can agree on was well suited for the occassion.

I won't argue that my own political biases probably skew my views a little, but I feel that yeah just having hippies jump at you out of nowhere because a piece of fabric senses that you're sane, it's a little Reefer Madness if you get my drift.

Anyways I could go on and on about comparing the bad crazy of the left and of the right but lets leave that as is for the moment, I think the entire using "Black Panther" thugs thing may be in a bit of bad taste given the recent NBP outrageous outrage (hippies you can mock to your hearts content since they've saftely become politically irelevant) so I guess if you had to replace them, you could use possibly use Vietcong mooks preying upon the foolishness of the Spirit of 68's other servants...

No, the Panthers were relevant and dangerous back then and its best not to forget that. These are the original Panthers, not today's wannabes. And VC would not fit with a Kerry charactiture, since he did fight them while in Vietnam.

954 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 9:44:09pm

re: #896 JasonA

Turn in your Jew card.

///

I'm ethnically Irish Catholic on my father's side. I get to invoke Mary when extremely upset. It's in the contract.

955 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 9:45:16pm

re: #912 jordash1212

And they have just no idea how Islam, Christianity, and Judaism are based off one another. Unbelievable.

Folks like this tend to be in denial about the roots of Protestantism lying in the Catholic Church.

956 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 9:49:41pm

re: #955 SanFranciscoZionist

Folks like this tend to be in denial about the roots of Protestantism lying in the Catholic Church.

They also tend not to see Catholics as real Christians. Prior to the American Revolution, many towns in New England used November 5th (Guy Fawkes Day) as "Pope's Day", when they would burn or blow up a large effigy of the pope in lieu of a effigy of Fawkes. In some parts of England, this was still done into the early 20th Century, only ending after WWI.

957 freetoken  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 9:50:37pm

re: #956 Dark_Falcon

They also tend not to see Catholics as real Christians.

PAPISTS!!

958 jamesfirecat  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 9:51:50pm

re: #953 Dark_Falcon

No, the Panthers were relevant and dangerous back then and its best not to forget that. These are the original Panthers, not today's wannabes. And VC would not fit with a Kerry charactiture, since he did fight them while in Vietnam.

Fair enough being born in the late (LATE) eighties I couldn't say I was aware of what the Original Panthers were like.

I just wonder is there any useful in game way to differentiate between the Panthers of then, and the panthers of today?

(Says the guy who clearly wants to paint his side in the best light possible)

959 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 9:58:45pm

re: #958 jamesfirecat

Fair enough being born in the late (LATE) eighties I couldn't say I was aware of what the Original Panthers were like.

I just wonder is there any useful in game way to differentiate between the Panthers of then, and the panthers of today?

(Says the guy who clearly wants to paint his side in the best light possible)

We can put in the Dungeon Master's section that he is explain they are the Panther's of that time, if asked. That's about it. The whole 1968 theme does most of the work, a simple explanation should suffice.

960 jamesfirecat  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 10:06:07pm

re: #959 Dark_Falcon

We can put in the Dungeon Master's section that he is explain they are the Panther's of that time, if asked. That's about it. The whole 1968 theme does most of the work, a simple explanation should suffice.

Fair enough, only way that I could possibly want to add to that is that we see some poor ass modern day "black kitten" wanna-be who had already broken into the dungeon ahead of you or whatever being either

A) Killed off by one of the spirits of the old Black Panthers after being given physical form and mocking him for being all talk and no action....

B) Being possessed by one of the spirits of the past and we see how they go from nuisance to dangerous....

Possibly this happens in the room right before the one they find the spirit of 68 in, and thus when our hero follows the fleeing spirit of the old black panther they end up finding far more than they expected...

Once again these ideas are shaped by my own political bias which as I said before has had no real contact with the Black Panthers at any point in their existance.

961 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 10:19:05pm

re: #960 jamesfirecat

Fair enough, only way that I could possibly want to add to that is that we see some poor ass modern day "black kitten" wanna-be who had already broken into the dungeon ahead of you or whatever being either

A) Killed off by one of the spirits of the old Black Panthers after being given physical form and mocking him for being all talk and no action...

B) Being possessed by one of the spirits of the past and we see how they go from nuisance to dangerous...

Possibly this happens in the room right before the one they find the spirit of 68 in, and thus when our hero follows the fleeing spirit of the old black panther they end up finding far more than they expected...

Once again these ideas are shaped by my own political bias which as I said before has had no real contact with the Black Panthers at any point in their existance.

My idea would be to make weaker, "New Panthers" for part 5 or 6 of the adventure. That preserves the theme here but makes the distinction clear. I think that will work well, please remind me to put them in. I'll make them losers, to make clear who's who.

962 jamesfirecat  Wed, Jul 28, 2010 10:22:36pm

re: #961 Dark_Falcon

My idea would be to make weaker, "New Panthers" for part 5 or 6 of the adventure. That preserves the theme here but makes the distinction clear. I think that will work well, please remind me to put them in. I'll make them losers, to make clear who's who.

No problems thanks again for being willing to talk.

You probably could get more accurate notes/better ideas if you talked with someone who actually was a lifelong liberal who had lived through the 60's but According to Winston Churchill it should be impossible to find one of them at the moment who hasn't undergone a lobotomy so I guess I'll just have to do!

963 boxhead  Thu, Jul 29, 2010 1:42:34am

Reading the headlines today is a surreal event. Onion is hard pressed to stay ahead of the legit stuff. Like this one... Real honest to goodness book burning. I swear if it wasn't for having satellite TV I'd think we were in the Dark Ages.

964 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Jul 29, 2010 10:06:55am

re: #109 Rightwingconspirator

It was billed to the public as a law to protect gays from extreme intimidation. I should have sent a different link, but really I just wanted to show the laws existence. Threats or personal violence are illegal speech in certain circumstances. There are more restrictions than "fire" in a theater and false advertising.

Too bad openly advocating violent revolution in a public forum isn't illegal. Oh, wait it is illegal...

How is it that so many on the far right get away with that?

965 APox  Thu, Jul 29, 2010 1:24:46pm

Jeez, I myself live in Gainesville while attending school here at the University of Florida. Semi-scary for these kinds of things to go on right at my doorstep!

Might be fun to attend this hate-filled event, I'll whip out my suspenders and fake mullet and talk about loving me some Jesus and hating the Islams!


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